"... Americans were the victims of an elaborate con job, pelted with a daily barrage of threat inflation, distortions, deceptions and lies, not about tactics or strategy or war plans, but about justifications for war. The lies were aimed not at confusing Saddam's regime, but the American people. By the start of the war, 66 per cent of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 and 79 per cent thought he was close to having a nuclear weapon. ..."
"... This charade wouldn't have worked without a gullible or a complicit press corps. Victoria Clarke, who developed the Pentagon plan for embedded reports, put it succinctly a few weeks before the war began: "Media coverage of any future operation will to a large extent shape public perception." ..."
"... During the Vietnam War, TV images of maimed GIs and napalmed villages suburbanized opposition to the war and helped hasten the U.S. withdrawal. The Bush gang meant to turn the Vietnam phenomenon on its head by using TV as a force to propel the U.S.A. into a war that no one really wanted. ..."
"... When the Pentagon needed a heroic story, the press obliged. Jessica Lynch became the war's first instant celebrity. Here was a neo-gothic tale of a steely young woman wounded in a fierce battle, captured and tortured by ruthless enemies, and dramatically saved from certain death by a team of selfless rescuers, knights in camo and night-vision goggles. ..."
"... Back in 1988, the Post felt much differently about Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction. When reports trickled out about the gassing of Iranian troops, the Washington Post's editorial page shrugged off the massacres, calling the mass poisonings "a quirk of war." ..."
"... The Bush team displayed a similar amnesia. When Iraq used chemical weapons in grisly attacks on Iran, the U.S. government not only didn't object, it encouraged Saddam. ..."
"... Nothing sums up this unctuous approach more brazenly than MSNBC's firing of liberal talk show host Phil Donahue on the eve of the war. The network replaced the Donahue Show with a running segment called Countdown: Iraq, featuring the usual nightly coterie of retired generals, security flacks, and other cheerleaders for invasion. ..."
The war on Iraq won't be remembered for how it was waged so much as for how it was sold. It
was a propaganda war, a war of perception management, where loaded phrases, such as "weapons of
mass destruction" and "rogue state" were hurled like precision weapons at the target audience:
us.
To understand the Iraq war you don't need to consult generals, but the spin doctors and PR
flacks who stage-managed the countdown to war from the murky corridors of Washington where
politics, corporate spin and psy-ops spooks cohabit.
Consider the picaresque journey of Tony Blair's plagiarized dossier on Iraq, from a grad
student's website to a cut-and-paste job in the prime minister's bombastic speech to the House
of Commons. Blair, stubborn and verbose, paid a price for his grandiose puffery. Bush, who
looted whole passages from Blair's speech for his own clumsy presentations, has skated freely
through the tempest. Why?
Unlike Blair, the Bush team never wanted to present a legal case for war. They had no
interest in making any of their allegations about Iraq hold up to a standard of proof. The real
effort was aimed at amping up the mood for war by using the psychology of fear.
Facts were never important to the Bush team. They were disposable nuggets that could be
discarded at will and replaced by whatever new rationale that played favorably with their polls
and focus groups. The war was about weapons of mass destruction one week, al-Qaeda the next.
When neither allegation could be substantiated on the ground, the fall back position became the
mass graves (many from the Iran/Iraq war where the U.S.A. backed Iraq) proving that Saddam was
an evil thug who deserved to be toppled. The motto of the Bush PR machine was: Move on. Don't
explain. Say anything to conceal the perfidy behind the real motives for war. Never look back.
Accuse the questioners of harboring unpatriotic sensibilities. Eventually, even the cagey
Wolfowitz admitted that the official case for war was made mainly to make the invasion
palatable, not to justify it.
The Bush claque of neocon hawks viewed the Iraq war as a product and, just like a new pair
of Nikes, it required a roll-out campaign to soften up the consumers. The same techniques (and
often the same PR gurus) that have been used to hawk cigarettes, SUVs and nuclear waste dumps
were deployed to retail the Iraq war. To peddle the invasion, Donald Rumsfeld and Colin Powell
and company recruited public relations gurus into top-level jobs at the Pentagon and the State
Department. These spinmeisters soon had more say over how the rationale for war on Iraq should
be presented than intelligence agencies and career diplomats. If the intelligence didn't fit
the script, it was shaded, retooled or junked.
Take Charlotte Beers whom Powell picked as undersecretary of state in the post-9/11 world.
Beers wasn't a diplomat. She wasn't even a politician. She was a grand diva of spin, known on
the business and gossip pages as "the queen of Madison Avenue." On the strength of two
advertising campaigns, one for Uncle Ben's Rice and another for Head and Shoulder's dandruff
shampoo, Beers rocketed to the top of the heap in the PR world, heading two giant PR houses:
Ogilvy and Mathers as well as J. Walter Thompson.
At the State Department Beers, who had met Powell in 1995 when they both served on the board
of Gulf Airstream, worked at, in Powell's words, "the branding of U.S. foreign policy." She
extracted more than $500 million from Congress for her Brand America campaign, which largely
focused on beaming U.S. propaganda into the Muslim world, much of it directed at teens.
"Public diplomacy is a vital new arm in what will combat terrorism over time," said Beers.
"All of a sudden we are in this position of redefining who America is, not only for ourselves,
but for the outside world." Note the rapt attention Beers pays to the manipulation of
perception, as opposed, say, to alterations of U.S. policy.
Old-fashioned diplomacy involves direct communication between representatives of nations, a
conversational give and take, often fraught with deception (see April Glaspie), but an exchange
nonetheless. Public diplomacy, as defined by Beers, is something else entirely. It's a one-way
street, a unilateral broadcast of American propaganda directly to the public, domestic and
international, a kind of informational carpet-bombing.
The themes of her campaigns were as simplistic and flimsy as a Bush press conference. The
American incursions into Afghanistan and Iraq were all about bringing the balm of "freedom" to
oppressed peoples. Hence, the title of the U.S. war: Operation Iraqi Freedom, where cruise
missiles were depicted as instruments of liberation. Bush himself distilled the Beers equation
to its bizarre essence: "This war is about peace."
Beers quietly resigned her post a few weeks before the first volley of tomahawk missiles
battered Baghdad. From her point of view, the war itself was already won, the fireworks of
shock and awe were all after play.
Over at the Pentagon, Donald Rumsfeld drafted Victoria "Torie" Clarke as his director of
public affairs. Clarke knew the ropes inside the Beltway. Before becoming Rumsfeld's
mouthpiece, she had commanded one of the world's great parlors for powerbrokers: Hill and
Knowlton's D.C. office.
Almost immediately upon taking up her new gig, Clarke convened regular meetings with a
select group of Washington's top private PR specialists and lobbyists to develop a marketing
plan for the Pentagon's forthcoming terror wars. The group was filled with heavy-hitters and
was strikingly bipartisan in composition. She called it the Rumsfeld Group and it included PR
executive Sheila Tate, columnist Rich Lowry, and Republican political consultant Rich
Galen.
The brain trust also boasted top Democratic fixer Tommy Boggs, brother of NPR's Cokie
Roberts and son of the late Congressman Hale Boggs of Louisiana. At the very time Boggs was
conferring with top Pentagon brass on how to frame the war on terror, he was also working
feverishly for the royal family of Saudi Arabia. In 2002 alone, the Saudis paid his Qorvis PR
firm $20.2 million to protect its interests in Washington. In the wake of hostile press
coverage following the exposure of Saudi links to the 9/11 hijackers, the royal family needed
all the well-placed help it could buy. They seem to have gotten their money's worth. Boggs'
felicitous influence-peddling may help to explain why the references to Saudi funding of
al-Qaeda were dropped from the recent congressional report on the investigation into
intelligence failures and 9/11.
According to the trade publication PR Week, the Rumsfeld Group sent "messaging advice" to
the Pentagon. The group told Clarke and Rumsfeld that in order to get the American public to
buy into the war on terrorism, they needed to suggest a link to nation states, not just
nebulous groups such as al-Qaeda. In other words, there needed to be a fixed target for the
military campaigns, some distant place to drop cruise missiles and cluster bombs. They
suggested the notion (already embedded in Rumsfeld's mind) of playing up the notion of
so-called rogue states as the real masters of terrorism. Thus was born the Axis of Evil, which,
of course, wasn't an "axis" at all, since two of the states, Iran and Iraq, hated each other,
and neither had anything at all to do with the third, North Korea.
Tens of millions in federal money were poured into private public relations and media firms
working to craft and broadcast the Bush dictat that Saddam had to be taken out before the Iraqi
dictator blew up the world by dropping chemical and nuclear bombs from long-range drones. Many
of these PR executives and image consultants were old friends of the high priests in the Bush
inner sanctum. Indeed, they were veterans, like Cheney and Powell, of the previous war against
Iraq, another engagement that was more spin than combat .
At the top of the list was John Rendon, head of the D.C. firm, the Rendon Group. Rendon is
one of Washington's heaviest hitters, a Beltway fixer who never let political affiliation stand
in the way of an assignment. Rendon served as a media consultant for Michael Dukakis and Jimmy
Carter, as well as Reagan and George H.W. Bush. Whenever the Pentagon wanted to go to war, he
offered his services at a price. During Desert Storm, Rendon pulled in $100,000 a month from
the Kuwaiti royal family. He followed this up with a $23 million contract from the CIA to
produce anti-Saddam propaganda in the region.
As part of this CIA project, Rendon created and named the Iraqi National Congress and tapped
his friend Ahmed Chalabi, the shady financier, to head the organization.
Shortly after 9/11, the Pentagon handed the Rendon Group another big assignment: public
relations for the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan. Rendon was also deeply involved in the planning
and public relations for the pre-emptive war on Iraq, though both Rendon and the Pentagon
refuse to disclose the details of the group's work there.
But it's not hard to detect the manipulative hand of Rendon behind many of the Iraq war's
signature events, including the toppling of the Saddam statue (by U.S. troops and Chalabi
associates) and videotape of jubilant Iraqis waving American flags as the Third Infantry rolled
by them. Rendon had pulled off the same stunt in the first Gulf War, handing out American flags
to Kuwaitis and herding the media to the orchestrated demonstration. "Where do you think they
got those American flags?" clucked Rendon in 1991. "That was my assignment."
The Rendon Group may also have had played a role in pushing the phony intelligence that has
now come back to haunt the Bush administration. In December of 2002, Robert Dreyfuss reported
that the inner circle of the Bush White House preferred the intelligence coming from Chalabi
and his associates to that being proffered by analysts at the CIA.
So Rendon and his circle represented a new kind of off-the-shelf PSYOPs , the privatization
of official propaganda. "I am not a national security strategist or a military tactician," said
Rendon. "I am a politician, and a person who uses communication to meet public policy or
corporate policy objectives. In fact, I am an information warrior and a perception
manager."
What exactly, is perception management? The Pentagon defines it this way: "actions to convey
and/or deny selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their
emotions, motives and objective reasoning." In other words, lying about the intentions of the
U.S. government. In a rare display of public frankness, the Pentagon actually let slip its plan
(developed by Rendon) to establish a high-level den inside the Department Defense for
perception management. They called it the Office of Strategic Influence and among its many
missions was to plant false stories in the press.
Nothing stirs the corporate media into outbursts of pious outrage like an official
government memo bragging about how the media are manipulated for political objectives. So the
New York Times and Washington Post threw indignant fits about the Office of Strategic
Influence; the Pentagon shut down the operation, and the press gloated with satisfaction on its
victory. Yet, Rumsfeld told the Pentagon press corps that while he was killing the office, the
same devious work would continue. "You can have the corpse," said Rumsfeld. "You can have the
name. But I'm going to keep doing every single thing that needs to be done. And I have."
At a diplomatic level, despite the hired guns and the planted stories, this image war was
lost. It failed to convince even America's most fervent allies and dependent client states that
Iraq posed much of a threat. It failed to win the blessing of the U.N. and even NATO, a wholly
owned subsidiary of Washington. At the end of the day, the vaunted coalition of the willing
consisted of Britain, Spain, Italy, Australia, and a cohort of former Soviet bloc nations. Even
so, the citizens of the nations that cast their lot with the U.S.A. overwhelmingly opposed the
war.
Domestically, it was a different story. A population traumatized by terror threats and
shattered economy became easy prey for the saturation bombing of the Bush message that Iraq was
a terrorist state linked to al-Qaeda that was only minutes away from launching attacks on
America with weapons of mass destruction.
Americans were the victims of an elaborate con job, pelted with a daily barrage of
threat inflation, distortions, deceptions and lies, not about tactics or strategy or war plans,
but about justifications for war. The lies were aimed not at confusing Saddam's regime, but the
American people. By the start of the war, 66 per cent of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was
behind 9/11 and 79 per cent thought he was close to having a nuclear weapon.
Of course, the closest Saddam came to possessing a nuke was a rusting gas centrifuge buried
for 13 years in the garden of Mahdi Obeidi, a retired Iraqi scientist. Iraq didn't have any
functional chemical or biological weapons. In fact, it didn't even possess any SCUD missiles,
despite erroneous reports fed by Pentagon PR flacks alleging that it had fired SCUDs into
Kuwait.
This charade wouldn't have worked without a gullible or a complicit press corps.
Victoria Clarke, who developed the Pentagon plan for embedded reports, put it succinctly a few
weeks before the war began: "Media coverage of any future operation will to a large extent
shape public perception."
During the Vietnam War, TV images of maimed GIs and napalmed villages suburbanized
opposition to the war and helped hasten the U.S. withdrawal. The Bush gang meant to turn the
Vietnam phenomenon on its head by using TV as a force to propel the U.S.A. into a war that no
one really wanted.
What the Pentagon sought was a new kind of living room war, where instead of photos of
mangled soldiers and dead Iraqi kids, they could control the images Americans viewed and to a
large extent the content of the stories. By embedding reporters inside selected divisions,
Clarke believed the Pentagon could count on the reporters to build relationships with the
troops and to feel dependent on them for their own safety. It worked, naturally. One reporter
for a national network trembled on camera that the U.S. Army functioned as "our protectors."
The late David Bloom of NBC confessed on the air that he was willing to do "anything and
everything they can ask of us."
When the Pentagon needed a heroic story, the press obliged. Jessica Lynch became the
war's first instant celebrity. Here was a neo-gothic tale of a steely young woman wounded in a
fierce battle, captured and tortured by ruthless enemies, and dramatically saved from certain
death by a team of selfless rescuers, knights in camo and night-vision goggles. Of course,
nearly every detail of her heroic adventure proved to be as fictive and maudlin as any
made-for-TV-movie. But the ordeal of Private Lynch, which dominated the news for more than a
week, served its purpose: to distract attention from a stalled campaign that was beginning to
look at lot riskier than the American public had been hoodwinked into believing.
The Lynch story was fed to the eager press by a Pentagon operation called Combat Camera, the
Army network of photographers, videographers and editors that sends 800 photos and 25 video
clips a day to the media. The editors at Combat Camera carefully culled the footage to present
the Pentagon's montage of the war, eliding such unsettling images as collateral damage, cluster
bombs, dead children and U.S. soldiers, napalm strikes and disgruntled troops.
"A lot of our imagery will have a big impact on world opinion," predicted Lt. Jane Larogue,
director of Combat Camera in Iraq. She was right. But as the hot war turned into an even hotter
occupation, the Pentagon, despite airy rhetoric from occupation supremo Paul Bremer about
installing democratic institutions such as a free press, moved to tighten its monopoly on the
flow images out of Iraq. First, it tried to shut down Al Jazeera, the Arab news channel. Then
the Pentagon intimated that it would like to see all foreign TV news crews banished from
Baghdad.
Few newspapers fanned the hysteria about the threat posed by Saddam's weapons of mass
destruction as sedulously as did the Washington Post. In the months leading up to the war, the
Post's pro-war op-eds outnumbered the anti-war columns by a 3-to-1 margin.
Back in 1988, the Post felt much differently about Saddam and his weapons of mass
destruction. When reports trickled out about the gassing of Iranian troops, the Washington
Post's editorial page shrugged off the massacres, calling the mass poisonings "a quirk of
war."
The Bush team displayed a similar amnesia. When Iraq used chemical weapons in grisly
attacks on Iran, the U.S. government not only didn't object, it encouraged Saddam.
Anything to punish Iran was the message coming from the White House. Donald Rumsfeld himself
was sent as President Ronald Reagan's personal envoy to Baghdad. Rumsfeld conveyed the bold
message than an Iraq defeat would be viewed as a "strategic setback for the United States."
This sleazy alliance was sealed with a handshake caught on videotape. When CNN reporter Jamie
McIntyre replayed the footage for Rumsfeld in the spring of 2003, the secretary of defense
snapped, "Where'd you get that? Iraqi television?"
The current crop of Iraq hawks also saw Saddam much differently then. Take the writer Laura
Mylroie, sometime colleague of the New York Times' Judy Miller, who persists in peddling the
ludicrous conspiracy that Iraq was behind the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.
How times have changed! In 1987, Mylroie felt downright cuddly toward Saddam. She wrote an
article for the New Republic titled "Back Iraq: Time for a U.S. Tilt in the Mideast," arguing
that the U.S. should publicly embrace Saddam's secular regime as a bulwark against the Islamic
fundamentalists in Iran. The co-author of this mesmerizing weave of wonkery was none other than
Daniel Pipes, perhaps the nation's most bellicose Islamophobe. "The American weapons that Iraq
could make good use of include remotely scatterable and anti-personnel mines and
counterartillery radar," wrote Mylroie and Pipes. "The United States might also consider
upgrading intelligence it is supplying Baghdad."
In the rollout for the war, Mylroie seemed to be everywhere hawking the invasion of Iraq.
She would often appear on two or three different networks in the same day. How did the reporter
manage this feat? She had help in the form of Eleana Benador, the media placement guru who runs
Benador Associates. Born in Peru, Benador parlayed her skills as a linguist into a lucrative
career as media relations whiz for the Washington foreign policy elite. She also oversees the
Middle East Forum, a fanatically pro-Zionist white paper mill. Her clients include some of the
nation's most fervid hawks, including Michael Ledeen, Charles Krauthammer, Al Haig, Max Boot,
Daniel Pipes, Richard Perle, and Judy Miller. During the Iraq war, Benador's assignment was to
embed this squadron of pro-war zealots into the national media, on talk shows, and op-ed
pages.
Benador not only got them the gigs, she also crafted the theme and made sure they all stayed
on message. "There are some things, you just have to state them in a different way, in a
slightly different way," said Benador. "If not, people get scared." Scared of intentions of
their own government.
It could have been different. All of the holes in the Bush administration's gossamer case
for war were right there for the mainstream press to expose. Instead, the U.S. press, just like
the oil companies, sought to commercialize the Iraq war and profit from the invasions. They
didn't want to deal with uncomfortable facts or present voices of dissent.
Nothing sums up this unctuous approach more brazenly than MSNBC's firing of liberal talk
show host Phil Donahue on the eve of the war. The network replaced the Donahue Show with a
running segment called Countdown: Iraq, featuring the usual nightly coterie of retired
generals, security flacks, and other cheerleaders for invasion. The network's executives
blamed the cancellation on sagging ratings. In fact, during its run Donahue's show attracted
more viewers than any other program on the network. The real reason for the pre-emptive strike
on Donahue was spelled out in an internal memo from anxious executives at NBC. Donahue, the
memo said, offered "a difficult face for NBC in a time of war. He seems to delight in
presenting guests who are anti-war, anti-Bush and skeptical of the administration's
motives."
The memo warned that Donahue's show risked tarring MSNBC as an unpatriotic network, "a home
for liberal anti-war agenda at the same time that our competitors are waving the flag at every
opportunity." So, with scarcely a second thought, the honchos at MSNBC gave Donahue the boot
and hoisted the battle flag.
It's war that sells.
There's a helluva caveat, of course. Once you buy it, the merchants of war accept no
returns.
IQ in my comments is just a shorthand for intellectual ability. It does not mean that I
believe in it. I was on the admissions committee of our umbrella graduate program long enough
to know that IQ, GRE, or SAT scores mean exactly nothing.
At best, they reflect the effort people put into preparation to these tests, but have
no predictive value whatsoever.
You could help yourself by learning the real history ..I suggest the foremost historian on
the subject Thomas Thompson and his ' History of Arabia'. Jerusalem was not founded by Jews,
i.e. adherents of the Jewish religion. It was founded between 3000 BCE and 2600 BCE by a West
Semitic people or possibly the Canaanites, the common ancestors of Palestinians, Lebanese,
many Syrians and Jordanians, and many Jews. But when it was founded Jews did not
exist.
Jerusalem was founded in honor of the ancient god Shalem. It does not mean City of
Peace but rather 'built-up place of Shalem." The "Jewish people" were not building Jerusalem
3000 years ago, i.e. 1000 BCE. First of all, it is not clear when exactly Judaism as a
religion centered on the worship of the one God took firm form. It appears to have been a
late development since no evidence of worship of anything but ordinary Canaanite deities has
been found in archeological sites through 1000 BCE. There was no invasion of geographical
Palestine from Egypt by former slaves in the 1200s BCE. The pyramids had been built much
earlier and had not used slave labor. The chronicle of the events of the reign of Ramses II
on the wall in Luxor does not know about any major slave revolts or flights by same into the
Sinai peninsula. Egyptian sources never heard of Moses or the 10 plagues & etc. Jews and
Judaism emerged from a certain social class of Canaanites over a period of centuries inside
Palestine. Jerusalem not only was not being built by the likely then non-existent "Jewish
people" in 1000 BCE, but Jerusalem probably was not even inhabited at that point in history.
Jerusalem appears to have been abandoned between 1000 BCE and 900 BCE, the traditional dates
for the united kingdom under David and Solomon. So Jerusalem was not 'the city of David,'
since there was no city when he is said to have lived. No sign of magnificent palaces or
great states has been found in the archeology of this period, and the Assyrian tablets, which
recorded even minor events throughout the Middle East, such as the actions of Arab queens,
don't know about any great kingdom of David and Solomon in geographical Palestine. Since
archeology does not show the existence of a Jewish kingdom or kingdoms in the so-called First
Temple Period, it is not clear when exactly the Jewish people would have ruled Jerusalem
except for the Hasmonean Kingdom. The Assyrians conquered Jerusalem in 722. The Babylonians
took it in 597 and ruled it until they were themselves conquered in 539 BCE by the
Achaemenids of ancient Iran, who ruled Jerusalem until Alexander the Great took the Levant in
the 330s BCE. Alexander's descendants, the Ptolemies ruled Jerusalem until 198 when
Alexander's other descendants, the Seleucids, took the city. With the Maccabean Revolt in 168
BCE, the Jewish Hasmonean kingdom did rule Jerusalem until 37 BCE, though Antigonus II
Mattathias, the last Hasmonean, only took over Jerusalem with the help of the Parthian
dynasty in 40 BCE. Herod ruled 37 BCE until the Romans conquered what they called Palestine
in 6 CE (CE= 'Common Era' or what Christians call AD). The Romans and then the Eastern Roman
Empire of Byzantium ruled Jerusalem from 6 CE until 614 CE when the Iranian Sasanian Empire
Conquered it, ruling until 629 CE when the Byzantines took it back.
A. The Muslims, who ruled it and built it over 1191 years.
B. The Egyptians, who ruled it as a vassal state for several hundred years in the second
millennium BCE.
C. The Italians, who ruled it about 444 years until the fall of the Roman Empire in 450
CE.
D. The Iranians, who ruled it for 205 years under the Achaemenids, for three years under the
Parthians (insofar as the last Hasmonean was actually their vassal), and for 15 years under
the Sasanids.
E. The Greeks, who ruled it for over 160 years if we count the Ptolemys and Seleucids as
Greek. If we count them as Egyptians and Syrians, that would increase the Egyptian claim and
introduce a Syrian one.
F. The successor states to the Byzantines, which could be either Greece or Turkey, who ruled
it 188 years, though if we consider the heir to be Greece and add in the time the Hellenistic
Greek dynasties ruled it, that would give Greece nearly 350 years as ruler of Jerusalem.
G. There is an Iraqi claim to Jerusalem based on the Assyrian and Babylonian conquests, as
well as perhaps the rule of the Ayyubids (Saladin's dynasty), who were Kurds from Iraq.
I understand what you are saying, Jilles, but let's be accurate, shall we?
The Jews have ZERO right to "return" to Palestine one cannot go back to a place one never
left in the first place.
The story that the Romans expelled the Jews from Palestine 2000 years ago is FALSE.
See Israeli historian Shlomo Sand( the invention of the Jewish people).
At any rate, even had the story been true – and it is NOT – the notion of
modern Jews laying claim to the land 2000 years later is truly bizarre.
In short, today's Palestinians and their ancestors have been living continuously between
the River and the Sea for about 9,000 years."
Exactly.
In the preface of his book "Ten myths about Israel", Israeli historian Ilan Pappe,
writes:
Were the Jews indeed the original inhabitants of Palestine who deserved to be
supported in every way possible in their "return" to their "homeland"? The myth insists
that the Jews who arrived in 1882 were the descendants of the Jews expelled by the Romans
around 70 CE. The counterargument questions this genealogical connection. Quite a hefty
scholarly effort has shown that the Jews of Roman Palestine remained on the land and were
first converted to Christianity and then to Islam. Who these Jews were is still an open
question -- maybe the Khazars who converted to Judaism in the ninth century; or maybe the
mixture of races across a millennium precludes any answer to such a question.
"... Poor General Kelly, one of the generals who let 911 happen, is probably going to be promoted to Bechtel. I say poor because he's only worth about $5 Million, which is a low figure for the super rich who own the military industrial complex. ..."
Everything about this CIA agent's history lesson sounds fake. The blood sucking military
runs the White House. ISIS or ISIL or whatever the CIA calls itself today poses no
threat.
Poor General Kelly, one of the generals who let 911 happen, is probably going to be
promoted to Bechtel. I say poor because he's only worth about $5 Million, which is a low
figure for the super rich who own the military industrial complex.
"... Maybe I am overestimating the intelligence of MIC profiteers, but my impression is that those thieves know that their loot is only useful as long as they are alive. There is a lot of silly hostile talk against Russia and China, but have you noticed how the US military always makes sure that there are no direct confrontations with countries that can turn the US into radioactive dust? The profiteers want huge Pentagon budget to steal from, but not the war where they lose along with everyone else. ..."
Maybe I am overestimating the intelligence of MIC profiteers, but my impression is that those thieves know that their loot
is only useful as long as they are alive. There is a lot of silly hostile talk against Russia and China, but have you noticed
how the US military always makes sure that there are no direct confrontations with countries that can turn the US into radioactive
dust? The profiteers want huge Pentagon budget to steal from, but not the war where they lose along with everyone else.
As to the wall, it is one of the silliest projects ever suggested. Maybe that's why it was so easy to sell it to the intellectually
disadvantaged electorate. There are two things that can stop illegal immigration.
First, go for the employers, enact a law that fines them to the tune of $50,000 or more per every illegal they employ. Second,
enact the law that anyone caught residing in the US illegally has no right to enter the US legally, to obtain asylum, permanent
residency, or citizenship for life, and include a provision that marriage to a US citizen does not nullify this ban.
Then enforce both laws. After that illegals would run out of the country, and greedy employers won't hire any more. Naturally,
the wall, even if built, won't change anything: as long as there are employers trying to save on salaries, immigration fees, and
Social Security tax, and people willing to live and work illegally risking nothing, no wall would stem the flow.
Unfortunately, no side is even thinking about real measures, both are just posturing.
Am wondering in which prosperous U.S. Zionist "career" field has John Yoo landed?
He is a distinguished professor at Berkley Law, UC. Here's his bio:
Professor Yoo is the Emanuel Heller Professor of Law and director of the Korea Law
Center, the California Constitution Center, and the Law School's Program in Public Law and
Policy. His most recent books are Striking Power: How Cyber, Robots, and Space Weapons
Change the Rules for War (Encounter 2017) (with Jeremy Rabkin) and Point of Attack:
Preventive War, International Law, and Global Welfare (Oxford University Press, 2014).
Professor Yoo is a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a visiting
fellow at the Hoover Institution
From 2001 to 2003, he served as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of
Legal Counsel at the U.S. Department of Justice, where he worked on issues involving
foreign affairs, national security and the separation of powers.
Notice how they gloss over his diabolical activities as deputy AG for the Bush II
Adminstration "where he worked on issues involving foreign affairs, national security and the
separation of powers."
And, oh, yeah, he cobbled together legal statements that gave the Bush Admin carte blanche
to engage in "enhanced interrogation techniques," more commonly known as "torture." He was
about to be in big dodo for his crimes. but just like the 5 dancing Israelis were rescued by
Chertoff, a guy named David Margolis managed to get Yoo off the hook:
The Office of Professional Responsibilty (OPR) report concluded that Yoo had "committed
'intentional professional misconduct' when he advised the CIA it could proceed with
waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques against Al Qaeda suspects,"
although the recommendation that he be referred to his state bar association for possible
disciplinary proceedings was overruled by David Margolis, another senior Justice department
lawyer.
My impression is, ISIS is a mossad-Jewish lobby creation to win the PR war against Muslims
and to keep the US attacking and "containing" Israel's geopolitical adversaries and eternally
occupying Arab lands, and well, to Make Israel Safe Again ™
Apart from the questions raised by some from the alternative media:
The fact is the mossad could easily pull this off, having so many Israelis from
Northern-African and Middle Eastern extraction, fluent in Arab and looking exactly like well,
Arabs. They could infiltrate and recruit Arab salafist patsies and easily organize terrorist
attacks without executing the hits themselves. And it is actually a genius move:
1) Create a terrorist thread in Europe, making Westerners wary of Arabs, ie more likely to
understand Israel policies towards Palestinians and side with Israel (message being:
apartheid State? what else can we Israelis do? Palestinians are all gropers, misogynists,
homophobes and potential terrorists FYI)
2) Hit the countries with the most Jews (France, Germany and UK) so they are more likely
to start packing up to make Aliyah, so Israel's demographic problem is at least temporarily
solved, retaining a majority population of Jews.
3) Make the US, through the Jewish lobby in the US, attack strategic countries such as
Libya, Iraq and Syria, creating a migrant tsunami to flood Europe, making Europeans even more
wary of Arabs and understanding of Israeli's treatment of Palestinians (Arabs) and also
making European Jews even more likely to make Aliyah. I even have heard of Israeli NGOs
funded by the Israeli Ministry of FA operating in Lesbos and helping "refugees" to flood
Europe. After a public outcry the Ministry logo vanished from the NGOs sponsors page.
Even the Cologne issue with the gropings, and I am getting too conspiratorial here, could
have been a group of Israeli provocateurs kickstarting the whole assaults wave. Let's say, a
group of mossad operatives, composed of Israelis from Northern-African and/or Middle Eastern
extraction, with false documentation and fluent in Arab, start groping and assaulting German
women, taking advantage of the total chaos offered and facilitated by moronic Merkel. They
get caught? no problem, false passports or even no passports at all, just give false names
and disappear. Not that Arabs need that much help to make themselves look bad, after all some
American reporter was assaulted *live* and for what I have read the lecherous groping of
women walking alone is a well documented problem in all the ME. But maybe thanks to a little
push by provocateurs, an incident big enough was engineered and the image of Arabs in the
West reached historic lows thanks to the Cologne affair.
And creating phoney terrorist groups to use them for false flags is not something new at
all for the mossad, let's all remember what the FLLF was and how almost executed an US
Ambassador.
Filmmaker Rob Reiner tweeted on Thursday that the president is a "childish moronic
mentally unstable malignant narcissist" who is "committing Treason" against the United
States.
Oh my – the Jew "meathead" is a "childish moronic mentally unstable malignant
narcissist" who is "committing Treason" against the United States.
"Filmmaker Rob Reiner tweeted on Thursday that the president is a "childish moronic mentally
unstable malignant narcissist" who is "committing Treason" against the United States."
He and fellow tribesmen are welcome to sign up and go fight Israel's wars themselves, just
not with white male republican blood. The guy is good at border skirmishes, too. He led an
effort to keep poor Mexicans out of his rich Malibu neighborhood back in 2014 by refusing
Whole Foods a building location. Like most of his kind, he's a sociopathic hypocrite and a
liar.
@MAGAnotMISA
What I miss is destroying white cultures through mass immigration.
Though what I miss in this theory what exactly is the objective, is it whites and Muslims
annihilating each other, or just divide and rule ?
But maybe thinking in this way has not gone far enough.
Bernard Baruch's world domination plan failed miserably, but he even failed to understand
that it had failed, otherwise he had not in 1946 pleaded for a world government.
One must not underestimate the enemy, but also not overestimate him.
Jewish policies for the last 2000 years can hardly be seen as a success.
Judaism lost the battle with christianity, bolsjewism failed in Russia, getting equal rights
in W Europe led to the WWII deportations, with or without gas chambers, Israel succeeded in
surrounding itself with enemies, as neighbours, and all over the world, and jewish puppet
Hillary was not elected.
The latest statements by Netanyahu confirm my idea of a complete idiot.
I continue to be amazed that anyone gives any credibility whatsoever who claims US Mideast
military involvement is in the best interest of the nation. The above-mentioned commenters
must almost inevitably more about self-interest than anything patriotic. As for appearing
profound, well, there's Rob Reiner!
@anon
In the idea that the USA is the new zion Trump indeed commits treason.
Before Israel was established many USA rabbis were against zionism, because in their view the
USA already was zion.
As to
, the use of such words for me means utter confusion, rational analysis no longer
possible.
Arthur Koestler was of the opinion that yiddish precluded sensible discussion.
The mentioned words show that he was wrong about the cause.
As I sat in Christmas Eve service last night, an adorable little boy played quietly with his
father in the seat next to us. The little boy was probably just under 2 years of age.
In the middle of one of the Christmas Carols the thought struck me,
"I wonder if we will still be in ___________ war 17 years from now, when this
little boy becomes enlistment age . . ."
That thought alone makes me favor Trump for re-election. I think (I could be wrong, I'm no
expert) we have less war and a lesser risk of war with Trump. The "establishment" policies
of: invade the world – invite the world – in hoc with the world; are horrifically
deadly and destructive.
1. US withdrawal from Syria, and apparently all non-nato committed US troops from
Afghanistan.
2. Willingness to shutdown Government in order to force funding for the wall
3. Rumors of subpoena's being handed out at G.H.W Bush's funeral
4. Senate investigations into Clinton Foundation with auditors claiming jaw dropping
corruption
5. Grand Jury empaneled to investigate into 9/11
I don't know if Q is a psyop, but a lot of the things he has been saying appear to be
coming closer to reality. We can be certain that none of this would have happened had Clinton
been elected.
Meanwhile the deep state is not taking this lying down.
1. Netanyahu is threatening to increase operations in Syria. Perhaps he warned Trump to
get out because he is going to go nuclear or bio.
2. The global warming panic propaganda is being turned up to "broil" as weather warfare has
been unleashed across the planet.
3. Ukraine attempting to drag Nato into a war for the Kerch straight.
4. Stockmarkets tanking as the Fed keeps tightening while Mnuchin performs the "plunge
protection team rag"
5. Iran war threats and Persian gulf sabre rattling
6. Heeb financial war against Russia, Iran and China.
7. Heeb technology war against China (Huawei arrest)
Even if the US leaves Syria as Trump claims, they certainly will not just hand everything
over to Assad. The Damascus/Baghdad hiway re-opening through Al Tanf and the hand over of all
Euphrates river crossings to Syria would be indication of a true change of policy.
As usual, Giraldi is spot on with his observations. I wish him a Merry Christmas and hope to
see a lot more of his articles in the coming year.
I find Rob Reiner amusing, if not occasionally annoying. After having spent decades up to
my nose with his tribe while working in LA in the entertainment industry I can guarantee
Hollywood Jews go completely apoplectic anytime they perceive their government, the
Jewish-occupied government that rules over us all, is not following their commands.
Come to think of it, apoplexy's first definition is a stroke, its second definition is: a
state of intense and almost uncontrollable anger. One can only hope that jerks like Reiner
who indulge so heavily in the second definition will end up experiencing the first, and good
riddance.
I'd just add that few things would please me more than to have DJT draft the human
chickenhawks due to their indispensable expertise and place their backsides in-country to
dole out their words of wisdom there.
The honorable & courageous American Man endowed with precision scientific/political
wisdom wrote, with special appeal to me: "Withdrawing from Syria is the right thing to do,
though one has to be concerned that there might be some secret side deals with Israel , that
could actually result in more attacks upon Syria."
Call me crazy, but I'm still a bit leery, cautiously hopping this is not just another
charade. Is this just another way to allow the dissection of Syria to take another path?
Always remember if Trump is in opposition to his globalist master's he will be removed,
one way or the other.
Thank you for that! I now realize that the appellation chickenhawk used in reference to
the "let's you and him" fight gang is a slur on a fine little raptor. You have educated
me.
A mong hawks in N. America, Cooper's Hawk ( Accipiter cooperii ),
Red-shouldered Hawk ( Buteo lineatus ), and Red-tailed Hawk ( Buteo jamaicensis
) are the three species most likely to take domestic chickens, or yardbirds as they are
sometimes called, and it is these three species that are or have been commonly called
Chickenhawks in the United States, at least among non-birders, who are people with neither
binoculars nor field guide.
But I think most here know that Philip Giraldi is referring to the craven human variety of
warmonger known in some circles as the Yellow-tailed Chickenhawk, or its close relative the
Yellow-bellied Chickenhawk.
President Trump's announcement is a very nice Christmas present, which I choose to take a
face value pending unwrapping. As always, actions speak louder than words. Let's hope that
there isn't a booby prize or two lurking beneath the Christmas tree and hidden by the big
surprise package, or that there isn't a lump of coal at the bottom of our holiday
stockings.
@wayfarer
Not sure if the opening word's in the first video are spoken by Sheikh Imran N Hosein. It
sounds like him. I just wanted to say I have listened to a lot of his messages and find him
very enlightening. For those who believe in end time prophecy, I think you will find well
versed and extremely intelligent, as compared to many of the so called "Christian" huckster's
out there selling religion for dollars.
Pipelines to Europe for KSA and fresh water sources for Israel? Destabilising a local
rival of both? Who knows?
What we do know is that "we" have allowed our "leaders" to pimp out our military to the
rogue special interests of the world. We have the best government foreign interests can
buy.
The Zionist MSM and MIC and the Zionist AIPAC and company are the hounds of Hell baying for
war as warmongers always want war as long as they do not have to fight it and can reap the
profits from the wars!
Zionists have instigated every war that the U.S. has been in since WWI and right on down
through the Mideast slaughter house that Israel and her Zionists patrons have sent Americans
to fight and die in and by crippled for life in and the millions of civilians, men, women and
children that have been murdered in the wars fought for Zionist Israel!
The most incredible thing was that the Zionists and the Zionist controlled deep state did
911 which was the precursor to the latest Mideast wars and the war on terror where the
Zionists killed some 3000 Americans and blamed the Arabs and got away with it , when every
thinking American knows that Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911!
Finally Trump has done the right thing by getting out of Syria and now should get the hell
out of the Mideast and Afghanistan and close the slaughter houses!
God bless Putin and Russia and Assad and Syria for saving the people of Syria and
defeating ISIS aka Al CIADA ie a creation of the U.S. and Israel and Britain!
Zionists and Israel will be the death of America unless we wake up and smell the
coffee!
@renfro
One hopes that Russia will have stationed its advanced air defense systems throughout Syria.
And they should not be afraid to shoot down the Israeli aggressors.
@jilles
dykstra Jilles,
Haven't you completely contradicted your prior response to @renfro about Trump? You called
him a "complete idiot, leading a country to destruction," now you are claiming he is a
"reasonable man, who understands that warfare is just a destruction of wealth." He can't be
both, can he?
@DESERT
FOX Of extreme importance, Desert Fox of"The most incredible thing was that the Zionists
and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 which was the precursor to the latest Mideast
wars and the war on terror where the Zionists killed some 3000 Americans and blamed the Arabs
and got away with it ,"
Christmas Day greetings, Desert Fox!
Re; above sentence, a cordial question.
Is there anything you know & which you have not said (to date) that might signal that
the American-Israeli Empire's mighty military is prepped to allow the Assad and Rouhani
anti-Zionist governments to stand?
Uh perhaps, either delay or junk establishment of Greater Israel?
Am convinced Trump would only slow down international Jewry's plan. Or else no unguarded
JFK convertible limo trips for him on reelection-campaign road.
@chris
Let's think about this. The USA has not been able to defeat the Afghan Taliban forces in 17
years. It brought down Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq, but, with that unfortunate country
totally destroyed, how could you call that a win (I doubt if the Iraqi's consider the US to
be liberators). Now the crack pot Obama/Hillary campaign has lost in Syria, and Trump wants
to pull out. All three countries were much smaller and weaker than Iran, and the US is much
weaker, morally and militarily, than it was after the 9/11 hoax. And, after Russia has
expended much blood and treasure in ensuring victory for Assad and the Syrian people, will it
now sit on its hands as the US Air Force dismantles Teheran? Plus there is a resurgent China,
dependent on Iranian oil, to consider.
I'm not saying that Trump will not start a war against Iran (for Israel's benefit). But,
he'd better be prepared for the consequences, which will all be devastating to the American
Empire. Be careful what you wish for.
But Israel supported by Saudi Arabia does not like Iran and has induced Washington to
follow its lead. Withdrawing from Syria recognizes that Iran is no threat in reality.
Positioning American military forces to "counter" Iran does not reduce the threat against
the United States because there was no threat there to begin with.
Yes of course, I would just add that Israel hates Iran.
Rand Paul and others have been pushing back hard against the NEOCON narrative here, good
news. The initial anti Trump tide has turned in this matter.
I briefly saw Bill Krysrol's smug mug on TV the other day. Wouldnt it be nice if that Satanic
'fellow' was harrased at home like, unfortunatley, Tucker Carlson was. (Instead of
Carlson)
Trump telling General Mattis to pack his bags and begone is the work of a good CEO. Mad Dog
could have done a lot of damage to Mr. Trump's agenda if he had been allowed to stay on until
the end of February, as he had said he would. In corporate America, if an underling is
disloyal to the CEO, he will be told to vacate the premises for good by the end of the
workday, and escorted out of the building by armed security. His keys will be taken, all
locks will be changed, and his passwords expunged. No doubt Trump, as CEO, has had to employ
such tactics many times before. He obviously relishes saying "You're Fired!"
Any competent Trump loyalist can be found to replace this worn out old soldier. I hope he
won't be yet another general. MacArthur said that "old soldier never die, they just fade
away." Time for Mattis to do just that, and never be heard from again.
@Parsnipitous
Reading my comment again, I can see where I might have misinterpreted Jilles intent. If so, I
apologize. However, if he had identified, by name, who he was referring to, perhaps I
wouldn't have been confused.
Syria is a money pit for the taxpayers and giant profit source for the super rich. 'The
United States military should only be deployed anywhere to defend the U.S. itself or vital
interests' says Trump, Obama or Bush. But war is too important to be left to politicians.
They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. Trump
was appointed by rich people only so they could have someone to blame. 100% of the voters
believe they personally have the right to kill women and children overseas with their hired
mercenaries to defend the U.S. itself or vital interests. Americans shell out taxes to pay
for US troops to guard mining operations and poppy fields in Afghanistan, oil fields in Iraq,
online propaganda and so much more. Why deploy the United States Military when there's more
profit in hiring private mercenaries? Plus you don't have to say that "vital interests" crap
anymore.
opening the door to NATO's Turkey to go after the Kurd units there
Must look to the North:
On Turkey's Northwest front, tensions are high between the Greek Military & some foreign
controllers of Greece, and the Turkish Military, and their leaders.
This article is an excellent summary of msm and neocon reaction to the planned US withdrawal
from Syria and a good survey of why getting Uncle Sam out of Syria makes sense. I would also
add that allying with the Kurds was at best a short term solution. Not only would a Kurdish
state in eastern Syria be unacceptable to Turkey but the Sunni Arabs of the Euphrates Valley
would be certain to resist Kurdish rule. Merry Christmas to all!
For once, let all nuclear arsenal be directed at the Middle East and when the smoke clears
after a thousand years, there will be no God, Jews or Arabs to deal with any of remaining
humans will be welcomed!
@ChuckOrloski
In my opinion, Zionist Israel will never stop being the agent provocateur in the Mideast and
elsewhere ie the Ukraine etc., and since the Zionists control the U.S. government I think
their satanic NWO plans are still in place, and think the U.S. military is just going to be
placed in Iraq and Jordan ie just across the border to Syria and will continue with their
proxy mercenaries aka AL CIADA aka ISIS.
Some good sites to follow are Southfront.org and Henrymakow.com and Stevequayle.com and
Thetruthseeker.co.uk etc., all things considered even Putin said that Russia will wait and
see if the U.S. really leaves the Mideast, I wish all our troops would be brought home, but
with the Zionist control of our government it will never happen.
It is snowing here in Montana so we have a white Christmas, which we could do without, but
have a Merry Christmas!
Yes to Trump and withdrawal from Mid East Wars, down with MSM, The Neocons, the 1% , the deep
state and Israel, the whole World hates these assholes. Go Donny Daddy!
If you want to know who's agitating for war, look no further than our "friends," the Brits.
This is what they do every single time a U.S. President doesn't commit troops to some war
they've approved of, or started. They terror bait, or mock, or a combination of the two. And
since a lot of people in Washington take them seriously, it has appreciable impact on our
policies.
@Z-man
Israel fears Iran, is my idea.
Norman Finkelstein once stated that Israeli jews do not see how there ever can be peace with
the Palestinians 'after all we did to them'.
Not all jews are idiots.
Forgot in which book I read that in the thirties a zionist reached Palestine, and saw that
this was not the 'land without people for people without land'.
He stated 'this is a crime'.
The destruction and destabilisation of the ME, an Israeli plan, as far as I know.
In 1921 and later years there was the enormous population exchange, without any financial
compensation, between Turkey and Greece.
To this day tensions exist between the two countries.
Iran is one of the oldest civilisations.
Twice, one might say even three time, the west overthrew Iranian democracy.
Iran knows of course quite well that the VS brought Saddam to power so that he could
subjugate Iran, that had rid itself of the USA puppet shah.
Iran also of course knows quite well jewish power in the USA, Bush' s promise to AIPAC to
destroy Iraq.
Will those leading Iran now ever trust the USA or Israel ?
So that Netanyahu and USA jewry now are in complete panic, who had expected it to be
otherwise ?
Uri Avnery wrote 'the only language zionists understand is power. Is there a problem, use
power, if it does not help, use more power, if that also fails, use even more power'.
There has never been any serious negotiation between Israel and its neighbours, or with
the Palestinians.
About the Oslo negotiations a book appeared in Israel with the title 'how we fooled the
Palestinians'?
Sharon answered any Arab League peace proposal with force, Jenin, one of them, if my
recollection is correct.
There always was the idea of overwhelming more military power, and of USA support.
Kissinger saved Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur war by flying over hundreds of the newest
USA anti tank weapons, wire guided, TOW.
What will the USA do in case Israel is attacked ?
Is Netanyahu crazy enough to provoke an attack ?
Macron is not skiing between Christmas and New Year.
French is my worst language, but 'huis clos' is curtains closed, the expression is used often
for court proceedings without an audience, closed doors.
If my idea is correct that he stays indoors because his security cannot be guaranteed, maybe
someone whose first language is French can enlighten me.
Whatever the case, the man who wants an EU army now has trouble keeping peace in his own
country.
NATO, Stoltenberg's face during the dinner with Trump, disbelief.
Trigger and restrain, at the moment the Yellow Vests have caused the impossibility for
Brussels to do anything, survival is what concerns them.
@DESERT
FOX Desert Fox with a Montana-attitude, soft side, said: "It is snowing here in Montana
so we have a white Christmas, which we could do without, but have a Merry Christmas!'
Greetings from snowless Scranton, Desert Fox!
Over decades, have reflected upon Charles Schulz's great (1965) "Charlie Brown Christmas."
Prior to it's release, I have scant memory that Mr. Schulz had to battle those who wanted the
traditional Nativity of Christ and spiritual meaning out of the way. Fyi, Charles's opponents
lost!
As Christ-trashing Hollywood "Christmas" films dominate & mis-educate our popular
culture, please, please, please look (below) at the beautiful narration of "Charlie Brown
Christmas."
This is the first sane thing Trump did in two years. Also, this is the first action he
promised his supporters in 2016. Naturally, Israel-firsters, who in 2016 backed the corrupt
mad witch to a man, are unhappy. Their unhappiness is a good sign that this action is
actually in American interests. If Trump folds and reverses, this would expose him as a 100%
fraud. If he sticks to his guns, maybe there is hope for him yet. Stay tuned.
@wayfarer
No snow here in Albuquerque, NM, but the skies are loaded with chemtrails. I guess the sky
spider's never get a day off. Here's hoping you and your's have a merry Christmas.
Trump wants Turkey to stop harassing Saudi Arabia about Kashoogi's murder and be more
complacent with Israel. He also wants Israel to become more anxious abiut its security so it
agrees on the Palestinian peace plan elaborated by Jared Kuchner and MBS.
Turkey has now promised to fight ISIS which it never did. Saudi Arabia as well as Syria wants
Turkey humiliated, defeated and out of Syria. It may well happen when the Turkish army will
be confronted with a renewedc ISIS manipulated by Saudi Arabia and Syria.
It seems that the withdrawal of the US forces from Syria may trigger the end of Erdogan's
hegemonic dreams in the region and the victorious return of Syria among the Arabs.
@follyofwar
Oh, no; I don't mean Trump will start some major ground offensive to win anything! No,
they'll just try to destroy Iran in order to give jihadist a chance to kill as many people as
possible. This will be a Libyan-style war and "victory."
"President Donald Trump's order to withdraw from Syria has been greeted, predictably, with an
avalanche of condemnation culminating in last Thursday's resignation by Defense Secretary
James Mattis. The Mattis resignation letter focused on the betrayal of allies "
Call me cynical but I think you cannot take ANYTHING our masters say or do, e.g. this, at
face value.
Orange clown's alleged disengagement from Syria may be (and probably is) nothing more that
a tactical retreat/change in plans for which the Mattis resignation is merely a fig leaf;
that is, it's just more of the same disingenuous dialectics that we've been bombarded with
since the beginning of the "Trump" administration.
Apparently we're urged to conclude that Trump has finally had enough of the people he
knowingly and willingly surrounded himself with, and their agenda, and now all of a sudden
(because of some kind of a spiritual epiphany, pro-American New Year's resolution, etc.) he
wants to do right by (some of) his supporters by doing what he should've done a long time
ago. (And the hint of a military drawdown in Afghanistan adds a nice touch).
Sorry but I can't buy what they're selling.
If in addition to withdrawing from Syria orange clown were to stop arming the "government"
of "Ukraine" and agree to negotiations with Russia on the issue of intermediate range nuclear
armed missiles in Europe – with a goal to support/strengthen the INF treaty rather than
withdraw from it – I might be willing to entertain the idea that something's
changed.
As it is now it'll take a lot more than the obligatory "avalanche of condemnation" i.e.,
cheap words, to convince me that the perfidious orange clown and his jewish-supremacist
handlers are doing anything other than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with one
hand while steering it into the iceberg with the other hand.
Call me cynical but I think you cannot take ANYTHING our masters say or do, e.g. this,
at face value.
agree
just watch their behaviour – the wall never gets built even though they are now
talking about increasing the "defense" budget from $700 billion to $750 billion next year
– the increase alone is the cost of two walls
Although Russia has avoided any direct military challenge to NATO, it has nonetheless
shown a growing willingness to disrupt the status quo: through its use of force in Georgia
in 2008 and Ukraine since 2014, its often indiscriminate military intervention in Syria,
and its aggressive use of cyberwarfare to attempt to affect political outcomes in the
United States and Europe.
Haass is a Cheney's choice of opportunist and Goebbelsian kind of criminal:
Haass was born to a Jewish family in Brooklyn From 1989 to 1993, he was Special
Assistant to United States President George H. W. Bush and National Security Council Senior
Director for Near East and South Asian Affairs. In 1991, Haass received the Presidential
Citizens Medal for helping to develop and explain U.S. policy during Operation Desert
Shield and Operation Desert Storm. Haass argued that the leaders of the United States
should adopt "an imperial foreign policy" to construct and manage an informal American
empire (Haass 2000)
The U.S. has 2,000 soldiers in a kill-sack if Erdogan decides to cut off their supply lines.
And, calling Erdogan "unreliable" is something of an understatement. The U.S. can say very
little about Erdogan's behaviour while he can take reprisals on U.S. troops.
-- Turkey and Saudi are feuding, and the U.S. needs Saudi more than Turkey to maintain
sanctions and other pressure on Iran.
-- Turkey is becoming dangerously deranged in its statements about Israel (1). And the
U.S. / Israeli relationship is vital for many reasons.
-- Turkey has been a threat to Christian Cyprus for decades. The Leviathan-Cyprus-Greece
pipeline is important to help free Christian Populist EU nations, such as Italy, from
tyrannical rule under Soros-servitors Merkel and Macron.
Do not over over read the withdrawal as a change in regional strategy. There are no major
policy changes. This is about opening the door to push out Erdogan, if that becomes necessary
to support the existing U.S. regional strategy. And, the U.S. can still hope that Erdogan is
saying demented things solely for domestic consumption and doesn't intend to actually follow
thru on the crazy.
"Containment" was a U.S. policy devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the expansion of
a powerful and sometimes aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union, which was rightly
seen as a serious threat.
"which was rightly seen as a serious threat."
So it was, was it? That's really the beginning of the bullshit in American policy. There were
a few naysayers back then, since largely vindicated by the opening of former Soviet archives,
who claimed that Stalin's postwar moves were largely defensive in nature and intended to
protect the USSR from the talked about US preemptive attack on the Soviet Union. Stalin was
well aware of all the loose talk on the American side and his country had just endured the
same attempt on the part of Nazi Germany.
"Containment" was a U.S. policy devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the
expansion of a powerful and sometimes aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union,
which was rightly seen as a serious threat.
Could someone explain to me how exactly was the Soviet Union a serious threat to the US,
particularly in 1947? The country was devastated by the war; some regions suffered from
hunger, for goodness' sake; tens of millions were dead or maimed; the worked force was
depleted as million of young men were killed, so the economic burden fell on the shoulders of
women and teenagers; the cost of housing of people left homeless by the war was staggering;
the cost of caring for orphan children, wounded and invalids – ditto. In contrast, the
United States was getting fatter by the minutes having benefited enormously from the war in
Europe.
The Soviet Union "sometimes aggressive"? I am not aware of any Soviet plans to attack the
US but we all know about the American and British plant to attack the USSR formulated as
early as in 1945. No doubts the Soviet leadership was aware of such plans. The Soviets,
having witnessed a demonstration staged for their benefits in Japans of the power of nuclear
weapons, did everything with one purpose in mind: to prevent an attack, which they were in no
position to withstand. Needless to say, the USSR didn't have nuclear weapons at that time but
even after it had acquired them, it didn't quite catch up with the US in terms on number
until the very end.
It's fair to say that the Soviet Union was never ever a thereat to the US. On the
contrary, the US was a threat to the Soviet Union from the fist till the last day of its
existence, as it remains a treat to Russia today. The problems with the Americans, even the
most reasonable of them (not at all difficult to appear on today's insane background), is
that they don't question the entire narrative they are fed but only the bits of it.
@MAGAnotMISA
"ISIS is a mossad-Jewish lobby creation to win the PR war against Muslims and to keep the US
attacking and "containing" Israel's geopolitical adversaries and eternally occupying Arab
lands, and well, to Make Israel Safe Again "
– Hard to disagree with your statement. And who could forget the amazing care of the
Jewish State for the White Helmets known for their cooperation with other "moderate"
terrorists: https://gellerreport.com/2018/07/israel-syria-jordan.html/
Israel Evacuates 800 of Syria's White Helmets and Their Families to Jordan
The Israel Defense Forces said it engaged in the "out of the ordinary" gesture due to
the "immediate risk" to the lives of the civilians, as Russian-backed regime forces closed
in on the area. It stressed that it was not intervening in the ongoing fighting in
Syria.
The Jordanian government, which has consistently refused to accept Syrian refugees in
recent years, said an exception was made in this case as the United Kingdom, Canada and
Germany agreed to take the 800 White Helmet rescuers and their families.
Germany's Bild newspaper reported that a convoy of dozens of buses crossed the Syrian
border into Israel late Saturday, and were escorted to the Jordanian border by Israeli
police and UN forces.
A lot of the rejoicing in the pro-Putin camp seems to be based on the idea that this somehow
benefits Putin but I don't think it does. He is still irreversibly bogged down in Syria.
@renfro
Netanyahu is telling the idiotic Israeli public what they want to hear. Let's not forget that
there are elections due on 9 April.
You can hardly expect a politician to tell the public that if they so much as launch a
missile against Damascus airport, the airport of Tel Aviv will be bombed in return. The days
when the Israelis could do as they wished in Syria and Lebanon are gone.
"Organ theft, staged attacks: UN panel details White Helmets' criminal activities, media
yawns," by Eva Bartlett.
"[During] a more than one-hour-long panel on the White Helmets at the United Nations on
December 20 the irrefutable documentation was presented on the faux-rescue group's
involvement in criminal activities, which include organ theft, working with terrorists --
including as snipers -- staging fake rescues, thieving from civilians, and other
non-rescuer behaviour.
a Syrian civilian, Omar al-Mustafa, is cited as stating: "I saw them (White Helmets)
bring children who were alive, put them on the floor as if they had died in a chemical
attack."
In my own visits to eastern Ghouta towns last April and May, residents likewise spoke of
organ theft, staged rescues, the White Helmets working with Jaysh al-Islam, while an Aleppo
man likewise described them as thieves who steal from civilians, not rescuers.
Four days after the UN panel, to my knowledge, not a single corporate media outlet has
covered the event and its critical contents.
This is in spite of the fact that the Western corporate media has been happy to
propagandize about the White Helmets for years, and to attack those of us who dare to
present testimonies and evidence from on the ground in Syria which contradicts the official
narrative.
@DESERT
FOX "The most incredible thing was that the Zionists and the Zionist controlled deep
state did 911 which was the precursor to the latest Mideast wars and the war on terror where
the Zionists killed some 3000 Americans and blamed the Arabs and got away with it , when
every thinking American knows that Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911!"
The number of victims of 9/11 in NYC are way above 3000. Cancers and so on just don't get
counted. BTW, it is not from the dust. It is from the small nuclear bombs in the 2 buildings.
The 3rd building was only explosives.
@jilles
dykstra "Is Netanyahu crazy enough to provoke an attack ?"
– He is certainly endangering himself and his parasitic state by the silly ideas of
mythological choseness.
Let's hope that the more intelligent Soviet Jews (as compared to the mediocre pool of the
pre-Soviet Israelis) take pains to explain the former salesman the stupidity of military
confrontation with Iran/Russia.
As for the US-dwelling zionists' stupidity it is irredeemable.
The Soviet Union "sometimes aggressive"? I am not aware of any Soviet plans to attack
the US but we all know about the American and British plant to attack the USSR formulated
as early as in 1945.
@Bragadocious
What the hell is up with these dysfunctional Brits anyway? With their empire thankfully long
gone, their society in tatters, and a Muslim mayor running majority-minority London, they
think they can get the US to take on Iran for them? Spare me! This "special relationship" has
got to end. The Brits must be under the thumb of the Zionists even more than is the USA. And
their sad monarchy belongs in the dustbin of history.
@Tony
H. George Kennan's attitude towards Russia had evolved throughout the 70s-90s, but this
evolution has been carefully obscured by the ziocon warriors and other war-profiteers using
the ZUSA resources for their personal enrichment:
With the end of the Cold War, Kennan continued to emphasize the limits of American power
and the need for restraint in the exercise of it.
He lived to see the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war and
characteristically aimed to influence the role that the United States should play in the
new world circumstances.
He objected to plans for North Atlantic Treaty Organization expansion and to what he saw
as exploitation of Russian weakness.
@annamaria
THis is that GELLER who has been riling up ant Muslim hysteria in US She has been co hosting
the islamophobes and has been renting spaces for add against Jihad
@Michael
Kenny Like you are irreversibly bogged down in between your legs looking for Bush's WMD,
Obama's gas, Netanyhu's water source , Rothschild's oil,Bolton's nooses around himself,Weekly
Standard's lost child FDD and confused Sheldon's diaper.
!
@Alfred
Agree that many have died and are dying from cancer caused by the asbestos and other
materials in the dust, in my opinion the WTC towers were destroyed by direct energy weapons
plus micro nukes and WTC buildings 3,4,5,and 6 were destroyed by direct energy weapons and
WTC 7 was destroyed by conventional explosives, and there were 7 WTC buildings destroyed in
total.
Check the site Drjudywood.com and read her book Where Did The Towers Go and watch her
videos on youtube, she is a scientist and very credible and it is from her that I got the
directed energy weapons theory. There were no planes used and the planes that were seen were
holograms and for an explanation of this see John Lears videos on youtube, John Lear is the
son of William Lear the designer of the Lear Jet and John was a commercial pilot and his
videos on 911 explain why no planes were used.
Zionist Israel and the zionist controlled deep state did 911.
@jilles
dykstra It's just what you said, he's keeping a low profile and staying inside on advice
of his security. They're probably worried about snipers in ahigh rise somewhere.
It's been fun listening to (((NPR))) try to spin military withdrawal as a bad thing without
actually saying as much. "Trump's facing critics in his own party," "here are some Kurds
bitching," "General McProcurer is really pissed," "Chikkenhauk Epsteinbergwitzbaum sez it's
the end of the world," etc.
No rationality, no credibility decision (Syria withdrawal).
Most variables are missing. Trump is insignificant but as a figurehead. At least a few
layers, the correlations and "secret" deals with Israel, Turkey, IS, Kurds, France, the UK,
let's not forget Russia are missing. The commoner, deplorable, are lead by the nose, our
middle class bread scribes are doing the herding by shifting the attention, and building an
exit of face saving on what they omit to pull in the open.
No value in this "News" and "Christmas present" at all, but more of deceit of a global
ruling class in the shadows. It is called smarts, to deceive the rest of the dumb (in the
eyes of the elites) masses, it is relevant to call out our elites on not smart enough to
think over the long term.
Who of a building presence of outliers can they still deceive?
@Sarah
Toga "Death and taxes" for countries translates to "war and bankruptcy." Maybe we'll get
lucky and hit the latter before we kill everyone in the former.
@Realist
That's more like Erdogan's problem with Russia. Russian coastal defense system K-300P
Bastion-P in Crimea is perfectly capable of making Bosporus and Dardanelles straits much
wider. However crazy Erdogan is, he is well aware of that.
.local sources told Al Jazeera and Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency --
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Tuesday that Ankara and Washington
agreed to complete withdrawal of the YPG forces from Manbij before the US pulls out of
Syria.
He added the US agreed to take back weapons given to the YPG.
Syrian government forces 'enter' Kurdish-controlled Manbij region
Trucks carrying regime forces and equipment, and armoured vehicles have arrived in the
region, sources say.
@follyofwar
Actually Brits think their country is doing just great. But yeah, the "special relationship"
should be scuttled. We face a bigger threat from British jihadis than any Iranians anywhere.
Richard Reid is sitting in a federal Supermax but I don't think any Iranians are.
Brits simply love using the U.S. military for their own venal objectives. And if anything
goes wrong, the Brits can distance themselves and blame it on "the Yanks." A win-win.
@Svigor
It is really funny to see "peace-loving" liberals trying not to look like warmongers that
they are. NPR is not alone in attempting this sleight of hand: NYT, CNN, WaPo, and others of
their ilk are desperately trying to appear peace-loving while promoting wars that benefit MIC
and Israel. Hypocrisy at its most awkward. The only good thing is, they are forced to show
their true colors.
@m___
Well you know, that perception of yours re how the real world really works is, actually,
positive and optimistic.
If if I get you correct, you believe/feel/think there IS the "overclass" (for a lack of
better word) which rules the world. They are hidden, all powerful, competent, on the same
page and malevolent re us , the common folks.
I am afraid that's not the case.
I believe/feel/think there is no such overclass.
My take is there are warring factions of mostly incompetent little people with a lot of power
who fight among themselves who's going to get more power and related material wealth. The
malevolent part re all those they see as below them is given, of course.
And, gets worse, actually.
In this particular case I think the decision was made in a spur of a moment. Pure Emperor
whim ,if you will.
On top of it, we still haven't seen any actual move on the ground.
And, even if those up to 2000 men do pull out, what about CIA/special forces/contractors
bunch?
And, even better, those 2000 and more can return in 48 hours if the Emperor decides
otherwise. In a spur of a moment too.
Anyone so happy here commenting this .thing has been following what's really been
happening with North Korea?
What exactly changed from that fateful meeting between the Emperor and the .Cult Leader?
Let's summarize: the very point of all that was stopping and rolling back NK capability for
long range nuclear strike.
So .any "rolling" happened? Anything?
I don't think so, but, more than happy to be proven wrong. Proven, mind you.
The only important, and sad actually, is how we all got into the stage when a tweet by
that fellow can agitate us so much.
Mice and just a whiff of cheese over the cage.
They really got us where they wanted. And those "they" aren't even that smart.
Just great.
"Trump is retreating from Syria – and from his pro-Israel Jewish conservative
voters. If that decision is a harbinger of other strategic moves distancing him from Israel's
security, much of his remaining Jewish support will fall off a cliff"
"The United States refuse to fight for the transnational financiers"
As soon as he entered the White House, Donald Trump was careful to surround himself with
three senior military officers with enough authority to reposition the armed forces.
Michael Flynn, John Kelly and especially James Mattis, have since left or are in the
process of leaving. All three men are great soldiers who together had opposed their
hierarchy during Obama's presidency. They did not accept the strategy implemented by
ambassador John Negroponte for the creation of terrorist groups tasked with stirring up a
civil war in Iraq. All three stood with President Trump to annul Washington's support for
the jihadists.
The Pentagon project for the last seventeen years in the "Greater Middle East" will not
happen. Conceived by Admiral Arthur Cebrowski, it was aimed at destroying all the state
structures in the region, with the exception of Israël, Jordan and Lebanon. This plan,
which began in Afghanistan, spread as far as Libya, and is still under way, will come to an
end on Syrian territory.
It is no longer acceptable that US armies fight with taxpayers' funds for the sole
financial interests of global financiers, even if they are US citizens.
The Bush Jr. and Obama administrations shoulder the entire responsibility for this war
[in Syria]. They were the ones who planned it and realised it within the framework of a
unipolar world .
Afghanistan's misery began during the Carter presidency. National Security Advisor,
Zbigniew Brzeziński, called on the Muslim Brotherhood and Israël to launch a
campaign of terrorism against the Communist government. Terrified, the government appealed
to the Soviets to maintain order. The result was a fourteen-year war, followed by a civil
war, and then followed by the Anglo-US invasion.
After forty years of uninterrupted destruction, President Trump states that US military
presence is not the solution for Afghanistan, it's the problem.
My take is there are warring factions of mostly incompetent little people with a lot of
power who fight among themselves who's going to get more power and related material wealth.
The malevolent part re all those they see as below them is given, of course.
@Realist
When Erdogan's military had shot down the Russian jet, Turkey paid for it rapidly with an
economic squeeze. Russian tourism to Turkey was shut down and green grocer exports to Russia
were subjected to intense scrutiny/inspection and nearly halted. One could say the Turks are
still feeling the effect, the impact was immediate and probably there hasn't been a full
recovery to some of the businesses that had been damaged. Erdogan tucked his tail and played
nice with Putin after all but he is no dependable ally of anyone, he's screwed everyone he'd
ever done business with insofar as the M.E. regional game. The main problem with Turkey for
Russia is the Erdogan regime's Salafi outlook (to say the leadership is sympathetic to
al-Qaida would be an understatement.) Erdogan may have promised to 'neutralize' the Idlib
extremists but he won't, he can't, in fact he doesn't dare, it is estimated there are upwards
of 1,000 cells established in Turkey. How that plays out is anyone's guess but my money is on
the idea he'll shove the the Idlib extremists off on the Kurds as a Turkish military proxy
and cross Putin in the process (the USA won't mind this at all and in fact CIA Ops division
might reward it.)
@AnonFromTN"The only good thing is, they are forced to show their true colors."
Exactly. The liars, frauds, gatekeepers, Hillary-bots, and every brand of stupid in between
have been flushed into the open. For example, anyone who still admires Chomsky should take
note:
Aaron MatéVerified account @aaronjmate · Dec 24
Update: Chomsky was sent my Q & this is his response. He favors keeping US troops in
Syria as a holding operation until a final settlement w/ Russia-Assad that could guarantee
Kurds' safety. With US pulling out now, he argues that all leverage is lost to avoid a
Turkish assault:
"What deal with the Russians (who right now are making cozy deals with Turkey)? And a
deal with Assad, the main mass murderer in Syria – – who can in any event do
nothing to deter Turkey.
In fact, in the longer term there should be a deal crucially involving Russia and with
Assad, with some kind of guarantees (for what they are worth) to preserve at least some
limited protection for the Kurds. But that's the longer term. This is now. For now, the
sole deterrent to a Turkish assault is a small US contingent confined to Kurdish areas, as
a holding operation for a possible longer term settlement along the lines just
indicated."
@AnonFromTN"The only good thing is, they are forced to show their true colors."
Exactly. The liars, frauds, gatekeepers, Hillary-bots, and every brand of stupid in between
have been flushed into the open. For example, anyone who still admires Chomsky should take
note:
Aaron MatéVerified account @aaronjmate · Dec 24
Update: Chomsky was sent my Q & this is his response. He favors keeping US troops in
Syria as a holding operation until a final settlement w/ Russia-Assad that could guarantee
Kurds' safety. With US pulling out now, he argues that all leverage is lost to avoid a
Turkish assault:
"What deal with the Russians (who right now are making cozy deals with Turkey)? And a
deal with Assad, the main mass murderer in Syria – – who can in any event do
nothing to deter Turkey.
In fact, in the longer term there should be a deal crucially involving Russia and with
Assad, with some kind of guarantees (for what they are worth) to preserve at least some
limited protection for the Kurds. But that's the longer term. This is now. For now, the
sole deterrent to a Turkish assault is a small US contingent confined to Kurdish areas, as
a holding operation for a possible longer term settlement along the lines just
indicated."
I find it interesting that Drudge has had almost nothing about the Syria withdrawal, or the
fallout Giraldi describes. I heard far more about it by tuning in to NPR.
That's more like Erdogan's problem with Russia. Russian coastal defense system K-300P
Bastion-P in Crimea is perfectly capable of making Bosporus and Dardanelles straits much
wider.
It's not that simple. Any attempt to take control of the of the Bosporus would make it at
least temporarily impassable.
@follyofwar
The real change will come should ever US military personnel realise that true patriotism
would compel them not to serve, to sabotage equipment and even resort to fragging. Perhaps
Incitatus could give instructions on how some could pull off a "Corporal Klinger" in order to
evade service.
@Carlton
Meyer Good clip. High points for LULZ were "if we're fighting Assad doesn't that help
ISIS? And if we're fighting ISIS doesn't that help Assad?" and "now you know why people get
their news from Youtube."
@Bragadocious
It is business as usual. I remember when GWB was having some difficulty selling the war on
Iraq prior to the invasion. War criminal Tony Blair very eloquently addressed both houses in
the US and closed the sale. I watched it live with a tough old former Marine friend who was
actually moved to tears when he realised that the war would be going ahead. What hope is
there for nations that have yet to hold to account such vermin as Blair, GWB, Howard etc?
@follyofwar
The Brits were the original Rothschild ass-muppets. Before there was the Fed, there was the
Bank of England. Before there was the Senate, there was Parliament. And before there was Wall
Street, there was the City of London. Hell, without Britain, Israel wouldn't even exist!
I'm not putting down ordinary British people, who tend to be very nice. I'm talking about
their horrible ruling class, which is just rotten to the core.
@Realist
Taking into account long-range missiles, impassability of those straits is not such a great
military problem. But the disappearance of a large chunk if Istanbul (the US would call it
"collateral damage") would be a serious problem for Turkey.
I don't think it would ever come to that: Erdogan is a cautious bastard. His whole stint
with buying Russian C-400 was undertaken to make sure he is not "democratically" bombed by
those who bring democracy on the heads of aborigines in half-a-ton TNT installments and then
bitterly complain that those aborigines are ungrateful.
@Bragadocious
To be fair, the "Brits", as in the British people, bear the same responsibility as do the
"Americans", as in the American people. Granted, a great many voters in both nations are
quite utterly stupid but it might be more accurate to refer to The City and to Wall St as
being the guilty ones.
Grunts, the ones actually doing the fighting and dying, will typically refer to one who
speaks out in support of war, yet has avoided active military service, as a
chickenshit and not a chickenhawk.
So it's probably safe to say, wikiquote needs to be updated.
@never-anonymous
Your average American general isn't interested in America's welfare. He's interested in the
defensive industry because he plans to retire early from the US army and get rich lobbying
for defensive companies. People like this tend to be good at climbing the rank ladder because
they are completely self-serving, and they are a genuine problem for the the US when they get
to the top and claim the ear of a US president. All they do is promote more war to make their
future employers rich, who then provide a quid pro quo by hiring these disgusting generals
afterwards.
"though one has to be concerned that there might be some secret side deals with Israel or
Turkey that could actually result in more attacks on Syria and on the Kurds. "
@Partisangirl
#Israel murdered this Syrian soldier on #christmas. First lieutenant Gabriel Ali Raya won't
be going home to his family. Yet fools keep believing Israeli lie that they are targeting
Iran while it's bombing #Syria.
This is most certainly good news if true, but lets not forget they're still poking at Russia,
poking at China, still all over Africa, still stirring trouble in Latin America.
Who knows if they may be about to send in private mercenaries from Blackwater into Syria. Not
to mention all the money and weapons we give the Israelis-Saudis so they'll still be stirring
shit in Syria and elsewhere, all that American money could buy Israel lots of mercenaries to
do the same thing in Syria.
The entire MIC has gotten out of control, money buys congress, they have lots of money.
Assuming Trump has any real power or actually cares, he should be trying to get the "defense"
industries into doing something other than building weapons of war, maybe put them to work in
technology or health or something that benefits humanity, gets America back to competing with
Asia, instead of just killing folks.
As long as these "people" are making tons of money building weapons to kill, that is what
they will do, wherever it may be. War shouldn't a business.
I guess we just have to wait and see, I'll believe it when I see it.
DECEMBER 21, 2018 It's About Time for the U.S. to Exit Syria and Afghanistan
The final resolution of the U.S.-led war in Syria must be determined by Syrians
themselves. All foreign forces must recognize and respect the sovereignty of the Syrian
people and their legal representatives.
@RobinG
100% of the planes sent by Israel have returned to base damage free.
After Action Review [AAR]:
-- Assad' s forces definitely expended a significant number of very expensive
interceptors.
-- They may, or may not, have shot down one or more less expensive standoff weapons launched
by Israel.
-- Iranian forces in Syria were hit and damaged (TBD on repairable vs. destroyed).
All objective analysts will score today's engagement as at least a minor win for the
IDF. Stand by for the non-objective, histrionic, Pallywood, Taqiyya artists' inevitable
attempts to misrepresent the events.
_____
The most critical question is, "What AA systems were active?"
The S-300 system, slated for eventual turnover to Syrian forces, has significant training
requirements. There are still months of training to be done. So, odds are the S-300 and S-400
systems in theatre, under exclusive Russian control, stayed off.
Much more limited systems such as S-200, Pantsir, and earlier generations are beatable if
they are accurately located during planning and shown the respect they deserve. These systems
have one shootdown of an F-16 variant that was too low and may have had a serious mechanical
failure in countermeasures.
The true decision points are still months away.
-- Will Russia ever turn an S-300 system over to Syrian control?
-- If so, will Assad pay the cash burn rate of ~$0.5 to $1.0 million per S-300 class
interceptor?
It is hard to believe that Assad will further bankrupt his nation and starve his children
to defend the Iranian, al-Hezbollah rocket forces being targeted by Israel.
May 5, 2017 Syrian War And The Battle For Golan Heights – Genie Oil & Gas Exposed!
The battle for Golan Heights in Syria will soon be under way and in this video Dan Dicks
of Press For Truth exposes the Genie Oil and Gas Company and everyone on their advisory
board.
I'm as happy with the withdrawal from Syria as anyone here, but "stay tuned" is probably
good advice so we don't get our hopes up too much. They may have moved them out of harm's way
in preparation for initiating more mischief somewhere else.
@A123
Troll #A123 confirms, ISRAEL KILLS ON CHRISTMAS
Following ancient pattern of Jews attacking on Holy Days.
Pantsir-S2 SAM system of #Syria Arab Air Defense Force launched eight 57E6-E surface to
air missiles at Delilah cruise missiles launched by F-16Is of 107sq "Knights of the Orange
Tail Squadron" flying from #Hatzerim AB.
Donald Trump is already under extreme pressure coming from all directions to reverse his
decision to leave Syria and it is quite possible that he will either fold completely or
bend at least a bit.
Trump is dealing with the lethal crowd who orchestrated 9/11, so keeping this in mind, the
Syria withdrawal decision could conceivably be taken out of his hands using (another) False
Flag,this time targeting Iran (and sacrificing a few thousand American servicemen in the
Middle East) or alternatively, using covert action in the US, aimed directly at substituting
Trump for Pence.
In an ethics free zone, combined with the enormous hubris of the maniacs running the
Empire, possibilities have to extend this far.
@A123
"100% of the planes sent by Israel have returned to base damage free."
– does this mean that you are ready to abandon the annoying quetching about "Jewish
eternal victimhood" and "Jewish incomparable suffering?"
And how is the Jewish State cooperation with Ukrainian neo-Nazi going on?
The first ever Jewish prime-minister of Ukraine Mr. Groysman has been quite effective in
keeping with the ongoing restoration of Nazism and banderism in the Kaganat of Nuland (former
Ukraine). Guess the main local financier of the neo-Nazi, an Israeli/Ukrainian citizen
Kolomojsky, is preparing for a special award from Knesset and AIPAC for his selfless service
to the ideas of zionism/nazism.
@RobinGPlease observe . as predicted, . the Taqiyya Trolls are now attempting to deploy
histrionics to distract from The Truth.
Serious questions:
-- Do violent Iranian al-Hezbollah forces in Syria take off for Christian holidays?
No?
-- Do violent Iranian al-Hamas forces in Gaza disrespect their own religion by launching
offensive, border assaults every Friday? Yes?
-- What militarily sound reason is there to give a free pass to violent Iranian forces that
do not respect any religious traditions or holidays? None?
The bottom line is pretty simple.
If Iran was not violent, there would be no military action against them on Christmas or
any other day. As long as Iran is violent, their Taqiyya supporters cannot credibly whinge
about countries defending themselves against Iranian violence.
@Digital
Samizdat What "ruling class". As ruling classes go, especially in a powerful country, the
British ruling class wasn't too bad till about 1900. Now the pseudomeritocracy scrambling to
make sense in a much less powerful and important country hardly deserves the description
"ruling class" at all. Indeed universal suffrage and the devastation of WW1 and the Great
Depression may have predictably doomed it years ago.
@NoseytheDuke
What do you make of the excuse for Howard (though Malcolm Fraser wouldn't have conceded it!!)
that he wasn't critical to the war happening and that only one Australian soldier was killed
(by his own hand, presumably accidentally)? 2003 was, after all, a bit early to be looking to
China for Australia's comfortable place in the world.
@renfro
Israel is attacking Lebanon and Syria . it is threatening other countries as well in between
for lending voices to issues like nuclear treaties with Iran. It has earlier stolen
passports, it has forged passports, it has assassinated leaders who were at that time in
third country. Now criticizing these activities will be nothing but expression of anti
semitism.
WTF wrong with these snake charmers of enormous linguistic variability ? That what it is.
They have tongues and they know how to coin new words .
Indeed it is, but the cacophony Trump's announcement raised seems genuine enough.
There's something about this whole affair that instills (at least in me) a vague sense
that Trump, having given up on a 2nd term, is going to get whatever he can via surprise
Presidential Policy Announcements as long as he lasts in office. It's how he ran his campaign
and almost certainly the only way he can get anything he said he wanted to do done.
Keep his detractors off-balance with a sufficiently constant stream of announcements that
their heads haven't quite stopped spinning before the next one comes out.
To that end, keeping the barking mad ideologues around him on the payroll makes sense.
They add to the noise that serves to make the announcement appear reasonable, whereas nuanced
argument would undermine his policies even when they're fundamentally right.
So, I'm staying tuned. We may see lots more coming from the same place.
Macron not on skis this year.
My idea is not fear of snipers, but fear of Macron being surrounded by Yellow Vest
skiers.
Honnecker's vacations were staying on a government estate, of course completely closed to the
public.
Even there, when he went for a walk, a guard a hundred metres before him and another behind
him.
Advertising his impopularity by completely closing a piste temporarily for just Macron and
some guards probably was seen as not a smart move.
@NoseytheDuke
Well, after, if I remember well, a seven year investigation a devastating report was
published about B-liars' war in GB.
In the Netherlands a somewhat similar report was published about Dutch complicity, the
David's report, blaming prime minister Balkenende at the time, and his minister of foreign
affairs then, De Hoop Scheffer, later Secretary of NATO.
None of the three is behind bars, true.
Nevertheless, they were exposed as war criminals.
I wonder if it is realistic to expect more, the crimes were political.
If Blair and the two Dutch could have refused, I wonder.
@byrresheim
If it was horrible is a matter of opinion, I see it as liberation.
Horrible regime, the shah's
It was possible because the USA had been driven out of Vietnam, could not afford another war.
The Smith Richardson Foundation was founded by billionaire heir to the Vicks fortune, H.
Smith Richardson In 1973, the founder's son, Randolph Richardson – a free market
fundamentalist and long-time patron of neoconservative ideologue Irving Kristol
– inherited the organization.
Recipients of funding from the Smith Richardson Foundation include a who's who of
neoconservative and militaristic right-wing institutions.
The Fusion GPS' bunch and Chris Steele are not the only people subverting the democratic
process in the US:
Recent hacked documents have revealed an international network of politicians,
journalists, academics, researchers and military officers, all engaged in highly deceptive
covert propaganda campaigns funded by the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO),
NATO, Facebook and hardline national security institutions.
This "network of networks", as one document refers to them, centers around an ironically
named outfit called the Integrity Initiative. And it is all overseen by the Institute for
Statecraft, which has operated under a veil of secrecy.
Where is the US Intelligence Community when the foreign nationals infiltrate election
complain in the US?
Bracey-Lane is a 20-something British citizen He appeared out of nowhere to work in Iowa
as a field organizer for the Bernie Sanders campaign for president.
"I spent a year working, saving all my money, just thought I was gonna go on a two month
road trip from Seattle to New York and I thought, you know what? I'm gonna stay and work
for the Bernie Sanders campaign," Bracey-Lane told a reporter for AFP on January 27,
2016.
However An Institute for Statecraft document on "roles and relevant experience" of the
outfit's "expert team" notes that Bracey-Lane conducted a "special study of Russian
interference in the US electoral process." The document does not make clear when that study
was conducted, however, it is listed directly next to its author's history of work with the
Bernie campaign.
The Integrity Initiative (oh, irony!) has been also busy with subverting the democratic
process in Spain and the UK:
The Integrity Initiative waged a successful covert campaign to destroy the appointment
of Pedro Baños to Director of Spain's National Security Department by carry[ing] out
the hit job through a hand-picked "cluster" of Spanish politicians and operatives to flood
social media and sympathetic outlets with messages demonizing Baños.
The Integrity Initiative appears to have employed the same tactics to smear left-wing
journalists and political figures across the West, including the leader of the UK's Labour
Party, Jeremy Corbyn.
According to David Miller, professor of political sociology in the school of policy
studies at the University of Bristol and the director of the Organization for Propaganda
Studies, the Integrity Initiative "appears to be a military directed push."
@wayfarer
Not sure, but we are home to Kirtland Air Force Base and Sandia National Labs so I guess
anything is possible. I just know it has been brutal all fall and winter. Starts out with
massive chemtrailing and ends up with sky completely darkened.
My spidy sense is also tingling, but I am in awe that no one seem's to notice, no one
seem's to care. Like you, I feel the curtain is about to be pulled on the final act. God help
us all.
@Realist
I've read that Mr. Trump abrupted decided to pull out of Syria after a phone call with
Erdogan. He wasn't about to confer with Mattis, Pompeo, or Bolton as they would have all
objected. Trump cannot afford to be the president who allowed Turkey to leave NATO and align
with Russia. It's all about geo-politics.
Too bad that crybaby Netanyahu doesn't like it. Israel has nowhere else to go and needs US
support to even exist. The Kurds will be sacrificed, but Turkey is much more important. Trump
must pull out the US troops ASAP as they nothing but sitting ducks – like those 400 or
so Marines who were blown up during the Lebanese civil war during the Reagan Admin. My
biggest concern is that they will be attacked with many casualties while in country, forcing
Trump to stay.
"Filmmaker Rob Reiner tweeted on Thursday that the president is a 'childish moronic mentally
unstable malignant narcissist' who is 'committing Treason' against the United States."
He didn't just play a meathead on TV, he became one in real life.
@follyofwar
" Trump cannot afford to be the president who allowed Turkey to leave NATO and align with
Russia. It's all about geo-politics. "
What makes you think Turkey is still in NATO ?
And what is NATO ?
Both Merkel and Macron say they want an EU army.
An army for what, many here in Europe wonder.
Attacking the country that keeps the Germans warm in winter and German industry going ?
@Realist
Did you read Article V of NATO treaty?
Here it is:
Article V
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America
shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an
armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective
self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the
Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other
Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and
maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be
reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council
has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and
security.
To translate it into plain English, if one member is attacked and another member decides
to send the victim pampers, that other member would be perfectly within its rights. The US
made 100% sure it has no obligations whatsoever under that treaty. Not to mention that when
the US does have obligations, it simply breaks the treaty (the deal with Iran being the
latest glaring example).
@Wizard
of Oz A great legal mind such as your own would surely know that under US law any person
involved in any way in a crime resulting in the deaths of victims is held to be equally
responsible. Just being a wheelman or a lookout is enough to be found to be as equally guilty
as the triggerman. All forces involved in the war crimes of the invasions of Iraq and
Afghanistan, other than the US, were token forces whose role was as much to legitimise the US
invasions as to have much material impact. Howard's (and Blair's) excuse that it was due to
faulty intel is an insult to those who serve honourably and legitimately in ASIO.
String them up, I say, and you Sir would demean yourself should you attempt to defend
them.
@Anonymous
You are seeing the world in black and white, whereas in reality it has various shades of
gray. The Deep State is not monolithic. Every snake in that pit wants to control not only us
"deplorables", but the other snakes, as well. While all those greedy rothschilds, soroses,
and adelsons beat even Devil himself in their lack of morals, some placed their bets on the
corrupt mad witch, while others on the orange clown. Some snakes are smart enough to
understand that to keep their loot they need the protection of a strong US state. Otherwise
other thieves would gladly steal their ill-gotten riches.
The presidents are frauds in a sense that they are puppets, but not in a sense that they
all have the same puppet master. Say, Nixon put the country ahead of the Empire and
extricated us from the Vietnam quagmire. There is a chance that Trump (i.e., the faction of
the Deep State that betted on him) also wants to save America as a country by acknowledging
the losses of the Empire and acting accordingly. We'll see soon enough.
Israel behind civilian planes ( this time in Lebanon)attacked Syria.
criticizing this piece of Israeli behavior is known as anti semitism according to Jew and
the jew slave Congress Senate , Diet , Parliament , ( USA Germany UK )
. If Saddam were Jewish , his pals were Likud and the citizen worshipped in synagogue ,
criticism against 1990 invasion of Kuwait would have been called anti semitism punishable by
jail .
@foolisholdman
There were cases of real Soviet aggression, although, contrary to the assertion of Western
propaganda, much fewer than there were cases of the US aggression. To give you an example,
invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 was Soviet aggression at its stupidest. The US invasion of
the same Afghanistan in 2001 was equally stupid. One can argue that it was even more stupid,
given that Soviet example preceded it. Only a hopeless moron steps into a trap knowing that
it is a trap.
However disgusting the US foreign policy was and still is, the USSR was no knight in
shining armor, either.
@foolisholdman
Sure Finland Czechoslovakia Hungary Romania Ukraine Poland Germany Belarus Armenia Azerbaijan
Estonia Latvia Bulgaria Georgia Yugoslavia Lithuania Moldova Chechnia etc.
@DESERT
FOX September 11, 2016 Al Qaeda: The Data Base
Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the
House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of
international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas,
arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.
@AnonFromTN
Try again. Maybe 1979 was foolish, since "invasion" was manufactured.
As Zbig Brzezinski admitted, the Soviet action was produced by the CIA support to
anti-Russian Jihadi terrorism, not the other way round. Basically CIA funded terrorism to
"give USSR its own Vietnam." His interview is online.
@geokat62
geo warmly offered Fran: 'Welcome to the dark side, Fran."
Hey G.D.L.-robed Brother geokat!
As you likely are aware, the Syrian ballistic missile system gave 14 of 16 Israeli F-16
(dark) missiles aimed at Damascus outskirt a bright & shiny welcome.
But nonetheless, please refer to Haaretz article below, and Russian knowledge of Israel's
endangering two civilian airplane flight trajectories.
Article II, Section 2, Clause 2, of the United States Constitution:
[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to
make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur .
No such Treaty as approval was ever given by the Senate. Soros sock-puppet Obama lied when
he claimed to have extra-constitutional powers to bind future administrations. Remember
Obama's promise, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"? There were plenty of
warning signs that Obama was a liar, so no one should be surprised that he lied about
JOCPA.
Trump did not violate or break anything , because the non-ratified, non-treaty did
not meet Constitutional minimums.
__________
Putin supporters should understand this as Russia has an identical issue in play. The
1950′s transfer of Crimea to Ukraine did not meet Russian constitutional standards.
Thus, identical to Trump's treatment of JOCPA, Putin is free to ignore the
unconstitutional acts of the prior Krushchev / Vorashilov administration.
@Agent76
Agree, and would add that AL CIADA ie ISIS is a creation of the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6
and NATO and Robin Cook was killed shortly after he made those statements, who benefits?
@Miro23
"Trump is dealing with the lethal crowd who orchestrated 9/11 "
Well this line of thought raises some serious question: (1) Why did Trump run for
president in the first place? (2) Why did he run on a platform of open defiance to the "deep
state" only to occupy a position of intimidating powerlessness? (3) Why does he not fight
back by investigating 9/11 or merely threatening to do so? (4) Why does he not use the power
of the "presidential bully pulpit" against the "deep state"? (5) If he was sincere during the
campaign, why did the "lethal crowd" not deploy a "lone nut" against him before the election?
(With so much at stake, why would they risk letting a sincere person anywhere near the levers
of power in the first place?) (6) How could a reasonable person be coerced into a course of
action (in the realm of "foreign policy") that seems to be leading to nuclear war/planetary
extinction? (7) If he was sincere about putting America first, then failing everything else,
why doesn't he simply resign?
@A123
Legally speaking, you are right. Not to mention that Obama was proven to be a liar in many
other things. But withdrawing from the Iran deal damaged the US credibility even among its
European vassals.
@AnonFromTN
I've got good news for you. Sometimes the world/truth is really black and white. And in this
case, certainly is: Trump is a fraud , has always been and will always be.
And as far as I know , "American" presidents all have the same master, which by the way,is
the same master that Putin and his bunch of corrupt oligarchs serve.. Of course there are
exceptions Nixon did try to fight against his master but I presume you know what happened to
the poor man. Poor but lucky. He died in his bed.
You got something right: "We'll see soon enough.".
But let me tell you the future: there will be no withdraw from Syria UNLESS the king of
Israel agrees.
And if the King agrees, it is because, he has other objectives which his puppets, Trump,
Putin, Macron will certainly try to implement.
But don't worry, the deep state and the "experts" will always give you "arguments" so you
can keep seeing the world in "various shades of gray".
@anonymoys
Agree with two things. First, Nixon was luckier than Kennedy, he was only forced to resign,
whereas Kennedy was murdered. Second, the same forces were responsible for both events.
But these dark forces are not all-powerful. The world is more complicated than you paint
it. There are different factions at work in the US and Russian politics, and these factions
are doing their best to cut each others' throats, which is a good thing. We should sincerely
wish success to both teams.
Say, many Russian oligarchs (BTW, oligarchs everywhere are criminals, in Russia, in the
US, in Europe, etc.) are likely Zionists, but there are other forces supporting Putin's
throne. That's why Russia screwed up the Israeli plan to break up Syria into a bunch of
warring impotent Bantustans, using Islamic bandits, some paid scum, some just incredibly
stupid "true believers". In this Russia teamed up with the Israeli arch-enemy Iran. Judging
by the Imperial tantrums in the US, which reached a hysterical pitch lately, Zionists are
unhappy with Russian and Chinese stances. So, there is hope for humanity yet.
"During war there are no civilians," that's what "Yossi," an Israeli military (IDF)
training unit leader simply stated during a round of questioning on day two of the Rachel
Corrie trials, held in Haifa's District Court earlier this week. "When you write a
[protocol] manual, that manual is for war," he added.
@NoseytheDuke
I bow to your superior knowledge of American law(s) but do recall the distasteful way in
which one reads of not completely innocent defendants being swept up for plea bargains by
such devices as conspiracy charges. But yes, I'm afraid Howard was at least an accessory
before the fact and I have no doubt it was Howard that JMF had in mind when he looked at me
at an anti Howard government affair in October 2004 and spoke of war criminals who ought to
be tried though I recall thinking at the time that it went a bit far to include Howard, the
hanger on. As one who came to give Howard amoral admiration just for the sustained
determination needed to become a truly successful politician (Cf. F.S. Oliver "The Endless
Adventure" and "In Defence of Politics" by Bernard Crick) I am more critical of him for what
he did and didn't do with his surprise control of the Senate (not so surprising to him
actually by August 2004 polling) including election giveaways that did much to prevent
Keating's superannuation schemes ever leading to relief of the burden of old age pensions or,
worse, the rise of industry funds to, effectively, be a funding arm for (often private school
educated) Labor careerists who will give us 25 years of reduced productivity and unnecessary
retail penalty rates and (at least for a while) reduced shopping hours and availability of
path and radiology .. just e.g. Then maybe the drag from China no longer making our coal and
iron ore super valuable will force changes that recognise we 99 per cent of us are lucky
drones (pending a Merkel influx of a million incompatible refugees anyway, but that I would
not expect from Shorten).
@AnonFromTN
I will suggest that a blanket statement on credibility does not work as a logical construct.
To be accurate, one must define the perspective via the question:
-- Credibility in the eyes of whom?
I observed a significant increase in U.S. credibility among the citizens and governments
of practicing Christian nations of the EU. For example: Poland, Hungary, Austria, and
Italy.
Nations such as China that laughed at and casually rolled "Barak Hussein Obama the
Submissive" also upped their respect for the U.S. when Trump took over. Though, I do concede
that getting over a bar set at 0% (less than Rodney Dangerfield) is pretty easy.
Yes, U.S. National Socialist Democrats [DNC] lost credibility among Establishment Elites
of the NWO/UN Circle of Arrogance. After all, they failed to deliver Hillary Clinton to the
White House. However, DNC credibility among unelected elites at the debauched UN has nothing
to do with U.S. credibility among the civilized people of the world.
Israel did not fire any weapon system at any civilian airplane. It is a lie to say that
they did. Given the air space congestion in the area it is functionally impossible to fly a
combat mission without overlapping a flight route.
The only force that endangered civilian airliners were those firing anti-aircraft
missiles that could hit those planes.
This is why it is highly likely that Russia will never turn over S-300 systems to Syrian
control. Russia wants to sell these systems. Interest will drop to zero if Syrian forces use
the S-300 to shoot down a civilian airliner over another nation such as Lebanon or
Turkey.
@AnonFromTN
"There are different factions at work in the US and these factions are doing their best to
cut each others' throats, which is a good thing. We should sincerely wish success to both
teams."
Seriously? With the exception of perhaps "the wall" and a few other relatively minor
distractive issues (which won't matter very much when the U.S. is a pile of nuclear ash), I
don't see any kind of "faction" offering any serious political opposition whatsoever to
anything of significance that orange clown does. All I see is cheap talk/posturing.
Israel did not fire any weapon system at any civilian airplane.
Strawman.
Nobody said your people fired missiles at a civilian airline. You used civilian
airplanes to hide behind. It is called using human shields – a war crime.
As for Russia handing over control of S-300′s to Syria, I would advise you to
continue to believe that. I look forward to your hubris and arrogance causing you to vanish
in a puff of smoke one day.
blanket statement on credibility does not work as a logical construct
Agree. But you appear to think that a blanket statement on "civilized people of the world"
works as a logical construct. Sorry to disappoint, it does not work, either.
After Trump announced that the US withdraws, every one of the other signatories of JCPOA
(Iran nuclear deal), namely China, France, Germany, EU, Russia, UK, and Iran said that they
will abide by the deal, with Iranian stipulation that if the US attempts any hostile action,
it would consider itself no longer bound by it. To wit, France, Germany, UK, and EU are
subservient pawns of the Empire in most cases.
Iranians explicitly said that the US unilateral withdrawal from this deal shows that it is
useless to negotiate with the US and come to any agreements with it, as the US will likely
break its word any time it finds it convenient. This did a huge damage to the credibility of
the country, no matter how you slice or dice it.
I agree regarding DNC credibility. After they falsified the results of their primaries (as
Wasserman-Schultz resignation right before the convention affirmed), DNC cannot claim any
credibility. Not that they even needed this trick: Sanders proved to be just as much of a
fraud and a piece of shit as the mad witch. However, DNC has nothing to do with it. Obama
administration was supposed to represent the country, not DNC. If the ability of Trump to act
as President depended on the credibility of RNC (which is as low as that of DNC, although
they did not falsify primaries, to the dismay of Deep State), our country is done for.
The President is supposed to be the leader of the country, not just his party. The actions
of both Obama and Trump in the international affairs that are meant for internal consumption
undermine the US more than any act of its avowed enemies.
Fyi, I particularly despise the Zionist GWOT designations, "collateral damage," and the
demonic branding of wartime Prisoners of War as "non-combatants," and exempt from
internationally recognized Geneva Convention treatment while in ZUSA military captivity.
As a veteran who took an August 1970 solemn oath to honor humane treatment of war
prisoners, & post-9/11, am wondering if taking such noble vow was being done throughout
Basic Training posts, stationed across our (argh!) "Homeland."
Really made me sick to see how Sergeant Charles Garner and P.F.C. Lyndi England were held
accountable for their barbaric Abu Ghraib acts, and shortly afterward, the
freak-intellectual, John Yoo, became the distorted administration's Prisoner-Torture High
Priest. (Zigh)
Am wondering in which prosperous U.S. Zionist "career" field has John Yoo landed?
Hm. Perhaps U.R. Comment-Research Specialist can help me here?
-- Do violent Iranian al-Hezbollah forces in Syria take off for Christian holidays?
No?
-- Do violent Iranian al-Hamas forces in Gaza disrespect their own religion by launching
offensive, border assaults every Friday? Yes?
I've got good news for you. Sometimes the world/truth is really black and white. And in
this case, certainly is: Trump is a fraud , has always been and will always be.
we can't be 100% sure yet but it's looking that way
unless that wall starts getting built pronto i don't see any reason to suport him 2020
All right and clear
Pity, that the lot is stained by the dropping-like sterotype about Goebels' "big lie"
Never mind it's of Hitler's labour, not Goebels', but, more important, in Mein Kampf it is
clearly expressed as a warning (beware..) against the chosen-tribe techniques.. The autor
should be learned enough to know better: superficiality or malice?
@A123
You are so desperate that you are looking under the mattress to find your last penny. Why
don't you ask your grandmother to ( Ben Guiron or Gold mare or some WaPo Rubin or KKK-
Krathamer Kristol Kagan ) to find it for you ?
Nov 9, 2010 -- 17 charged in $42 million Holocaust fraud case. FBI: Employees at Jewish
Claims Center had people pretend to be victims of Nazi persecution so they could collect
money German funds over 6000 phony claims
Germany Seeks Compensation for $57M Holocaust Fraud -- The Forward https://forward.com › News ›
World
Apr 17, 2015 -- Germany is for the first time seeking compensation for the $57 million
lost to fraud at the Claims Conference. But the Holocaust agency says it
"So we go to fallback argument B, which is "containing Iran." "Containment" was a U.S. policy
devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the expansion of a powerful and sometimes
aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union, which was rightly seen as a serious
threat."
Seen as a serious threat by some?
"Taken together, these four volumes constitute an extraordinary commentary on a basic
weakness in the Soviet system. The Soviets are heavily dependent on Western technology and
innovation not only in their civilian industries, but also in their military programs. An
inevitable conclusion from the evidence in this book is that we have totally ignored a policy
that would enable us to neutralize Soviet global ambitions while simultaneously reducing the
defense budget and the tax load on American citizens."
"Containment" was a U.S. policy devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the expansion of
a powerful and sometimes aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union, which was rightly
seen as a serious threat.
"which was rightly seen as a serious threat." So it was, was it? That's really the
beginning of the bullshit in American policy. There were a few naysayers back then, since
largely vindicated by the opening of former Soviet archives, who claimed that Stalin's
postwar moves were largely defensive in nature and intended to protect the USSR from the
talked about US preemptive attack on the Soviet Union. Stalin was well aware of all the loose
talk on the American side and his country had just endured the same attempt on the part of
Nazi Germany.
"Containment" was a U.S. policy devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the
expansion of a powerful and sometimes aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union,
which was rightly seen as a serious threat.
Could someone explain to me how exactly was the Soviet Union a serious threat to the US,
particularly in 1947? The country was devastated by the war; some regions suffered from
hunger, for goodness' sake; tens of millions were dead or maimed; the worked force was
depleted as million of young men were killed, so the economic burden fell on the shoulders of
women and teenagers; the cost of housing of people left homeless by the war was staggering;
the cost of caring for orphan children, wounded and invalids -- ditto. In contrast, the
United States was getting fatter by the minutes having benefited enormously from the war in
Europe.
The Soviet Union "sometimes aggressive"? I am not aware of any Soviet plans to attack the
US but we all know about the American and British plant to attack the USSR formulated as
early as in 1945. No doubts the Soviet leadership was aware of such plans. The Soviets,
having witnessed a demonstration staged for their benefits in Japans of the power of nuclear
weapons, did everything with one purpose in mind: to prevent an attack, which they were in no
position to withstand. Needless to say, the USSR didn't have nuclear weapons at that time but
even after it had acquired them, it didn't quite catch up with the US in terms on number
until the very end.
It's fair to say that the Soviet Union was never ever a thereat to the US. On the
contrary, the US was a threat to the Soviet Union from the fist till the last day of its
existence, as it remains a treat to Russia today. The problems with the Americans, even the
most reasonable of them (not at all difficult to appear on today's insane background), is
that they don't question the entire narrative they are fed but only the bits of it.
@Tony
H. George Kennan's attitude towards Russia had evolved throughout the 70s-90s, but this
evolution has been carefully obscured by the ziocon warriors and other war-profiteers using
the ZUSA resources for their personal enrichment:
With the end of the Cold War, Kennan continued to emphasize the limits of American power
and the need for restraint in the exercise of it.
He lived to see the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war and
characteristically aimed to influence the role that the United States should play in the
new world circumstances.
He objected to plans for North Atlantic Treaty Organization expansion and to what he saw
as exploitation of Russian weakness.
But let me tell you the future: there will be no withdraw from Syria UNLESS the king of
Israel agrees.
No doubt about it. I'm sure the Trumpster is telling us peasants what we want to hear,
just as he did while campaigning, and who knows if the US military will really get out of
Syria on his order. I myself think he's bullshitting, but I hope I'm wrong.
@ChuckOrloski
Pretty much. Sounds like "the only democracy in the Middle East".
But if we cry for every victim of Israeli scheming, we can't drink enough to replenish the
store of tears. Maybe we should do something about it, rather than crying or laughing? Or
commenting here lulled by false anonymity? NSA is listening, anyway.
"... If in addition to withdrawing from Syria orange clown were to stop arming the "government" of "Ukraine" and agree to negotiations with Russia on the issue of intermediate range nuclear armed missiles in Europe -- with a goal to support/strengthen the INF treaty rather than withdraw from it -- I might be willing to entertain the idea that something's changed. ..."
"... Call me cynical but I think you cannot take ANYTHING our masters say or do, e.g. this, at face value. ..."
"... just watch their behaviour -- the wall never gets built even though they are now talking about increasing the "defense" budget from $700 billion to $750 billion next year -- the increase alone is the cost of two walls ..."
"President Donald Trump's order to withdraw from Syria has been greeted, predictably, with an
avalanche of condemnation culminating in last Thursday's resignation by Defense Secretary
James Mattis. The Mattis resignation letter focused on the betrayal of allies "
Call me cynical but I think you cannot take ANYTHING our masters say or do, e.g. this, at
face value.
Orange clown's alleged disengagement from Syria may be (and probably is) nothing more that
a tactical retreat/change in plans for which the Mattis resignation is merely a fig leaf;
that is, it's just more of the same disingenuous dialectics that we've been bombarded with
since the beginning of the "Trump" administration.
Apparently we're urged to conclude that Trump has finally had enough of the people he
knowingly and willingly surrounded himself with, and their agenda, and now all of a sudden
(because of some kind of a spiritual epiphany, pro-American New Year's resolution, etc.) he
wants to do right by (some of) his supporters by doing what he should've done a long time
ago. (And the hint of a military drawdown in Afghanistan adds a nice touch).
Sorry but I can't buy what they're selling.
If in addition to withdrawing from Syria orange clown were to stop arming the
"government" of "Ukraine" and agree to negotiations with Russia on the issue of intermediate
range nuclear armed missiles in Europe -- with a goal to support/strengthen the INF treaty
rather than withdraw from it -- I might be willing to entertain the idea that something's
changed.
As it is now it'll take a lot more than the obligatory "avalanche of condemnation" i.e.,
cheap words, to convince me that the perfidious orange clown and his jewish-supremacist
handlers are doing anything other than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with one
hand while steering it into the iceberg with the other hand.
Call me cynical but I think you cannot take ANYTHING our masters say or do, e.g.
this, at face value.
agree
just watch their behaviour -- the wall never gets built even though they are now
talking about increasing the "defense" budget from $700 billion to $750 billion next year --
the increase alone is the cost of two walls
Although Russia has avoided any direct military challenge to NATO, it has nonetheless
shown a growing willingness to disrupt the status quo: through its use of force in Georgia
in 2008 and Ukraine since 2014, its often indiscriminate military intervention in Syria,
and its aggressive use of cyberwarfare to attempt to affect political outcomes in the
United States and Europe.
Haass is a Cheney's choice of opportunist and Goebbelsian kind of criminal:
Haass was born to a Jewish family in Brooklyn From 1989 to 1993, he was Special
Assistant to United States President George H. W. Bush and National Security Council Senior
Director for Near East and South Asian Affairs. In 1991, Haass received the Presidential
Citizens Medal for helping to develop and explain U.S. policy during Operation Desert
Shield and Operation Desert Storm. Haass argued that the leaders of the United States
should adopt "an imperial foreign policy" to construct and manage an informal American
empire (Haass 2000)
.local sources told Al Jazeera and Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency --
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Tuesday that Ankara and Washington
agreed to complete withdrawal of the YPG forces from Manbij before the US pulls out of
Syria.
He added the US agreed to take back weapons given to the YPG.
Syrian government forces 'enter' Kurdish-controlled Manbij region. Trucks carrying
regime forces and equipment, and armoured vehicles have arrived in the region, sources
say.
Withdrawing from Syria is the right thing to do, though one has to be concerned that
there might be some secret side deals with Israel or Turkey that could actually result in
more attacks on Syria and on the Kurds.
Netanyahu says he will escalate attacks against Iran in Syria. Lets see if Russia
takes exception to that.
JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israel will escalate its fight against Iranian-aligned forces
in Syria after the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country, Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday.
Some Israeli officials have said U.S. President Donald Trump's move, announced on
Wednesday, could help Iran by removing a U.S. garrison that stems the movement of Iranian
forces and weaponry into Syria from Iraq.
Israel also worries that its main ally's exit could reduce its diplomatic leverage with
Russia, the Syrian government's big-power backer.
"We will continue to act very aggressively against Iran's efforts to entrench in Syria,"
Netanyahu said in televised remarks, referring to an Israeli air campaign in Syria against
Iranian deployments and arms transfers to Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas, carried out with
Moscow often turning a blind eye.
"We do not intend to reduce our efforts. We will intensify them, and I know that we do so
with the full support and backing of the United States."
4,000,000 Muslims have been killed as a consequence of the wars since 2001, millions more
displaced. More than 8,000 U.S. military have died in wars whose purpose was to take the
oil from the Arab s, a purpose which started in 1897 with at the Zionist Congress in
Switzerland. -- $6 trillion you say and counting, much of it borrowed. War without end means
killing without end and it has to stop.
Your article names the supporters of the war bandits and invading countries who rob the
govern of there of their money, so the money can be used to destroy the lives and to reduce
the quality of life in the target place to tribal at best (Iraq, Syria, Yemen and
Afghanistan). You mentioned war gang supporters Reuters, NYT, WoPo, mainstream television
news providers , Pentagon, the Middle East Institute, and Israel.. but you left out so many
others.
The important people to be considered in this are the Syrians humans governed by the Assad
Syrian Government. & years of catching USA, British, French, Turkish, and Israeli bombs
and donating, to Saudia Arabia raised Wahhabi's, Syrian heads and Syrian body parts, and
being forced into homeless status as refugees of one more invader war, the Syrian people have
evolved into strong nation organized to defend against the most powerful militarises in the
world, they have voted 87% to keep Dr. Assad in three different elections as their leader.
But something else happened: Syria became stronger, Syria became an international player,
because both Russia and Iran joined to help Syria defend its sovereignty and to defend the
lives of the Syrian people. I cannot think of one single American who wants anything the
Syrian people have?
Why the war? So a few oil companies can steal the oil in Syria and run oil pipelines
through Syria in order to defeat Russia's oil sales to Europe. Its not about Israel security
(no threatens to invade Israel), its about Zionist greed and the urge to be entertained by
murdering people in their homes.
So, Trump bends over his second least favorite babysitter/general, Mattis, and orders a
complete withdrawal from Syria opening the door to NATO's Turkey to go after the Kurd units
there, which is an interesting development.
Putin wanted the USA out but he also has warned Erdogan against funneling Idlib's Salafi
militants to Syria's Kurdish region, something Erdogan has been keen to do. Actually I expect
the erratic Erdogan will go for it anyway, and small wonder at that, considering Erdogan's
intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, whose personal history is one of a bona fide member of al
Qaida. Is Putin ready for Erdogan to back-stab Russia again? (recalling Erdogan's military
had shot down a Russian jet.) This has to be the biggest geopolitical soap opera of the
moment:
"The third disagreement is related to the fate of extremists as Turkish officials want
to transfer them to Kurdish-controlled areas while Russian officials insist on "terminating
them""
So, then Trump's detractors (includes Mattis) will point the finger at Trump (not Turkey)
when Syria's east is reinfected with Salafi militants but secretly pleased Erdogan has
reopened the terrorism pipeline into Syria if only because it will cause Assad and Russia
problems, as well, there is the perpetual profits motive (noted by Phil.) And, so it goes
"... Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected] . ..."
"... My impression is, ISIS is a mossad-Jewish lobby creation to win the PR war against Muslims and to keep the US attacking and "containing" Israel's geopolitical adversaries and eternally occupying Arab lands, and well, to Make Israel Safe Again ™ ..."
"... Today's Jerusalem Post had a link to this Kamala Harris political fund-raising ad. ..."
"... Boot, Nuland, Shapiro, Stephens, Reiner, etc etc – one (((chickenhawk))) after another ..."
"... This is the first sane thing Trump did in two years. Also, this is the first action he promised his supporters in 2016. Naturally, Israel-firsters, who in 2016 backed the corrupt mad witch to a man, are unhappy. ..."
"... Brits simply love using the U.S. military for their own venal objectives. And if anything goes wrong, the Brits can distance themselves and blame it on "the Yanks." A win-win ..."
"... NYT, CNN, WaPo, and others of their ilk are desperately trying to appear peace-loving while promoting wars that benefit MIC and Israel. Hypocrisy at its most awkward. The only good thing is, they are forced to show their true colors. ..."
President Donald Trump's order to withdraw from Syria has been greeted, predictably, with an
avalanche of condemnation culminating in last Thursday's resignation by Defense Secretary James
Mattis. The Mattis resignation
letter focused on the betrayal of allies, though it was inevitably light on details,
suggesting that the Marine Corps General was having some difficulty in discerning that American
interests might be somewhat different than those of feckless and faux allies like Israel and
Saudi Arabia that are adept at manipulating the levers of power in Washington and in the media.
Mattis clearly appreciates that having allies is a force multiplier in wartime but fails to
understand that it is a liability otherwise as the allies create an obligation to go to war on
their behalf rather than in response to any actual national interest.
The media was quick to line up behind Mattis. On Friday, The New York Times
featured
a lead editorial entitled "Jim Mattis was right" while neocon twitter accounts blazed with
indignation. Prominent chickenhawk mouthpieces David Frum and Bill Kristol, among many others,
tweeted
that the end is nigh.
During the day preceding Mattis's dramatic announcement, the press went to war against the
Administration over Syria and also regarding other reports that there would be troop reductions
in Afghanistan. The following headline actually appeared
on a Reuters online article the day after the announcement by the president: "In Syria
retreat, Trump rebuffs top advisers and blindsides U.S. commanders." It would be difficult to
imagine stuffing more bullshit into one relatively short sentence. "Retreat," "rebuffs" and
"blindsides" are not words that are intended to convey any sort of even-handed assessment of
what is occurring in U.S. policy towards the Middle East. They are instead meant to imply that
"Hey, that moron in the White House has screwed up again!"
Consider for a moment the agenda that Reuters is apparently pushing. It is supporting an
illegal
and unconstitutional invasion of Syria by the United States that has a stated primary
objective of removing a terrorist organization which is already mostly gone and a less
frequently acknowledged goal of regime change for the legitimate government in Damascus and the
expulsion of that government's principal allies. Reuters is asserting that staying in Syria
would be a good thing for the United States and also for its "allies" in the region even though
there is no way to "win" and no exit strategy.
Reuters is presumably basing its assessment on the collective judgments of a group of "top
advisers" who are warmongers that the rest of the world as well as many Americans consider to
be psychopaths or possibly even insane. And then there are the preferences of the "blindsided"
generals, like Mattis, who have a personal interest in career terms for maintaining a constant
state of warfare. If you want to really know how what the military thinks about an ongoing war
ask a sergeant or a private, never a general. They will tell you that they are sick of endless
deployments that accomplish nothing.
The New York Timeslead story
headline on Thursday also let you know that its Editors were not please by Trump's move. It
read "U.S. ExitSeen as a Betrayal of the Kurds, and a Boon for ISIS." They also
editorialized "Trump's Decision to Withdraw From Syria Is Alarming. Just Ask His
Advisers."
The Washington Post was not far behind. It immediately ran an op-ed by the
redoubtable neocon chickenhawk Max Boot, whom Caitlin Johnstone
has dubbed The Man Who Has Been Wrong About Everything. The piece was entitled
Trump's surprise Syria pullout is a giant Christmas gift to our enemies making a twofer
with an incredible "Fuck the EU"
Victoria Nuland's piece entitled "In a single tweet Trump destroys U.S. policy in the
Middle East," which appeared simultaneously. That anyone would regard Boot and Nuland as
objective authorities on the Middle East given their ultimate and prevailing loyalty to Israel
has to be wondered at, but then again Fred Hiatt is the editorial/opinion page editor and he is
of the same persuasion, both ethnically and philosophically. They are all, of course, devoted
Zionists and the big lie about what is going on in the region is apparently always worth
repeating. As Joseph Goebbels put it in 1941 " when one lies, one should lie big,
and stick to it even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
Comments relating to the articles, op-eds and editorials in the Post and
Times bordered on the hysterical, sometimes suggesting that readers actually believe
that Trump was following orders from Russian President Vladimir Putin. And what was stirring at
Reuters, The Times , and the Post was only the tip of the iceberg. The
mainstream television news providers united in condemning the audacity of a president who might
actually try to end a war while the only favorable commentary on Trump's having taken a step
that is long overdue came from the alternative media.
One might profitably recall how Trump has only been praised as "presidential" by the
Establishment twice – when he staged cruise missile attacks on Syria based on faulty
intelligence. The Deep State wants blood, make no mistake about it and it is not interested in
"retreat." And Trump will also get almost no support from Congress, with only longtime critics
of Syrian policy Senators Rand Paul and Mike Lee as well as Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard
praising the move initially.
The arguments being made to criticize the Trump initiative were essentially cookie cutter
neocon soundbites. The Reuters piece in its first few lines of text asserts that the reversal
of policy "stunned lawmakers and allies with his order for U.S. troops to leave Syria, a
decision that upends American policy in the Middle East. The result, said current and former
officials and people briefed on the decision, will empower Russia and Iran and leave unfinished
the goal of erasing the risk that Islamic State, or ISIS, which has lost all but a sliver
territory, could rebuild." The article goes on to quote an anonymous Pentagon source who opined
that " Trump's decision was widely seen in the Pentagon as benefiting Russia as well as Iran,
both of which have used their support for the Syrian government to bolster their regional
influence. Iran also has improved its ability to ship arms to Lebanese Hezbollah for use
against Israel. Asked who gained from the withdrawal, the defense official, who spoke on
condition of anonymity, replied: 'Geopolitically Russia, regionally Iran.'"
Another so-called expert Charles Lister of the Middle East Institute was also cited in the
article, saying "It completely takes apart America's broader strategy in Syria, but perhaps
more importantly, the centerpiece of the Trump administration policy, which is containing
Iran."
Israel is also
turning up the heat on Trump, claiming that the move will make it more insecure. Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to increase air attacks on Iranian targets in Syria as an
added security measure to make up for the American betrayal. Normally liberal American Jews
have joined the hue and cry against Trump on behalf of Israel. Filmmaker Rob Reiner
tweeted on Thursday that the president is a "childish moronic mentally unstable malignant
narcissist" who is "committing Treason" against the United States.
The real story, lost in the wailing and gnashing to teeth, is that even after conceding that
Donald Trump's hyperbolic claim that the United States had defeated ISIS as the motive for the
withdrawal is nonsense, there is still no good reason for Washington to continue to keep troops
in Syria. The U.S. in reality did far less in the war against the terrorist groups infesting
the region than did the Russians, Iranians or the Syrians themselves and, as a result, it will
have less say in what kind of Syria emerges from the carnage. That is almost certainly a good
thing for the Syrian people.
But let's assume for sake of argument that the U.S. invasion really was about ISIS. Well,
ISIS continues to hold on to a small bit of territory near the Euphrates River and is reported
to have between one and two thousand remaining fighters. There are other estimates suggesting
that between 10,000 and 20,000 followers have dispersed and gone underground awaiting a
possible resurgence by the group. The argument that ISIS will reorganize and re-emerge as a
result of the American withdrawal assumes that it is the 2,000 strong U.S. armed forces that
are keeping it down, which is ridiculous. The best remedy against an ISIS recovery is to
support a restored and re-unified Syria, which will have more than enough resources available
to eliminate the last bits of the terrorist groups remaining in its territory.
So we go to fallback argument B, which is "containing Iran." "Containment" was a U.S. policy
devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the expansion of a powerful and sometimes
aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union, which was rightly seen as a serious threat.
Iran is a second world country with a small military and economy with no nuclear arsenal and it
neither threatens the United States nor any of its neighbors. But Israel supported by Saudi
Arabia does not like Iran and has induced Washington to follow its lead. Withdrawing from Syria
recognizes that Iran is no threat in reality. Positioning American military forces to "counter"
Iran does not reduce the threat against the United States because there was no threat there to
begin with.
And then there is the argument that the U.S. departure empowers Iran and Russia. Staying in
Syria is, on the contrary, a drain on both those countries' limited resources. The more money
and manpower they have to commit to Syria the less they have to become engaged elsewhere and it
is hard to imagine how either country would exploit the "victory" in Syria to leverage their
involvement in other parts of the world. Both would be delighted if a final settlement of the
Syrian problem could be arrived at so they can get out.
And as for the United States, the military should only be deployed anywhere to defend the
U.S. itself or vital interests. There is nothing like that at stake in Syria. So, is American
national security better or worse if the U.S. leaves? As Russian and American soldiers only
confront each other directly in Syria, U.S. national security would in fact be greatly improved
because the danger of igniting an accidental war with Russia would be dramatically reduced.
There have reportedly already been a dozen incidents between U.S. and Russian troops, including
some involving shooting. That has been a dozen too many. Even the possibility of starting an
unintended war with Iran would potentially be disastrous for the United States as well as for
everyone else in the region, so it is far better to put some distance between the two
sides.
And finally, it is necessary to go to the argument for disengagement from Syria that is too
little heard in the western media or from the usual bonehead politicians named Graham and Rubio
who pronounce on foreign policy. How has American intervention in the Middle East and south and
central Asia benefited the people in the countries that have been invaded or bombed? Not at
all. By some estimates four million Muslims have been killed as a consequence of the wars since
2001 and millions more displaced. More than eight thousand U.S. military have died in the
process in wars that had no purpose and no exit strategy. And the wars have been expensive
–
$6 trillion and counting, much of it borrowed. War without end means killing without end
and it has to stop Syria Withdrawal Enrages the Chickenhawks, by Philip Giraldi - The Unz
Review
Withdrawing from Syria is the right thing to do, though one has to be concerned that there
might be some secret side deals with Israel or Turkey that could actually result in more
attacks on Syria and on the Kurds. Donald Trump is already under extreme pressure coming from
all directions to reverse his decision to leave Syria and it is quite possible that he will
either fold completely or bend at least a bit. It is to be hoped that he will not do so as a
Christmas present to the American people. And he might want to think of a Christmas present for
2019. One might suggest a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected] .
Syria Withdrawal Enrages the Chickenhawks, by Philip Giraldi - The Unz Review
The very fact that Hollywood twits who couldn't find Syria on the outline map of the world to
save their lives have been roped in to get all outraged about Trump withdrawing troops from
Syria proves that the military industrial complex is worried that it will lose sales if the
Amerikastani Empire steps back from actively looking for war.
The military industrial complex, after all, runs Hollywood ...
Again I have the idea that my, not just mine, theory about Trump is confirmed, he understands
that the USA will destroy itself economically and politically by continuing to try to control
the world.
Of course, USA Deep State is furious, through its mouth pieces CNN, Washpost and NYT.
Of course Netanyahu is more than furious, Sharon's 'we control America' seems to be over.
If Putin and Trump agree explicitly or implicitly, I do not know, and, if they indeed agree,
it does not matter.
The essential thing for me is that both in Washington and in Moscow we now have reasonable
men, who understand that warfare is just destruction of wealth.
Interesting is what the consequences for EU and NATO will be.
They must be in utter confusion.
What a great present, unexpectedly getting a Phil Giraldi column on Christmas day! Merry
Christmas, Phil and everyone !
I'm little more pessimistic about Trump's withdrawal from Syria; it seems to me all the
more proof that he's getting ready to attack Iran !
If you wanted to do that, you'd first clear it with the Israelis and they'd be quiet
(check) – actually, this would be their plan; then you would get US troops out of Syria
to protect them from Iranian troops in Syria (invited by Assad), (check). then you would move
one or two aircraft carriers into the Persian gulf (check)!
Then you would hit Iran on New Year's Day (open), and then you would take Trump down for
starting an illegal war (open).
All birds down with Stalin-esque (criminal) elegance!
My impression is, ISIS is a mossad-Jewish lobby creation to win the PR war against Muslims
and to keep the US attacking and "containing" Israel's geopolitical adversaries and eternally
occupying Arab lands, and well, to Make Israel Safe Again ™
The fact is the mossad could easily pull this off, having so many Israelis from
Northern-African and Middle Eastern extraction, fluent in Arab and looking exactly like well,
Arabs. They could infiltrate and recruit Arab salafist patsies and easily organize terrorist
attacks without executing the hits themselves. And it is actually a genius move:
1) Create a terrorist thread in Europe, making Westerners wary of Arabs, ie more likely to
understand Israel policies towards Palestinians and side with Israel (message being:
apartheid State? what else can we Israelis do? Palestinians are all gropers, misogynists,
homophobes and potential terrorists FYI)
2) Hit the countries with the most Jews (France, Germany and UK) so they are more likely
to start packing up to make Aliyah, so Israel's demographic problem is at least temporarily
solved, retaining a majority population of Jews.
3) Make the US, through the Jewish lobby in the US, attack strategic countries such as
Libya, Iraq and Syria, creating a migrant tsunami to flood Europe, making Europeans even more
wary of Arabs and understanding of Israeli's treatment of Palestinians (Arabs) and also
making European Jews even more likely to make Aliyah. I even have heard of Israeli NGOs
funded by the Israeli Ministry of FA operating in Lesbos and helping "refugees" to flood
Europe. After a public outcry the Ministry logo vanished from the NGOs sponsors page.
Even the Cologne issue with the gropings, and I am getting too conspiratorial here, could
have been a group of Israeli provocateurs kickstarting the whole assaults wave. Let's say, a
group of mossad operatives, composed of Israelis from Northern-African and/or Middle Eastern
extraction, with false documentation and fluent in Arab, start groping and assaulting German
women, taking advantage of the total chaos offered and facilitated by moronic Merkel. They
get caught? no problem, false passports or even no passports at all, just give false names
and disappear. Not that Arabs need that much help to make themselves look bad, after all some
American reporter was assaulted *live* and for what I have read the lecherous groping of
women walking alone is a well documented problem in all the ME. But maybe thanks to a little
push by provocateurs, an incident big enough was engineered and the image of Arabs in the
West reached historic lows thanks to the Cologne affair.
And creating phoney terrorist groups to use them for false flags is not something new at
all for the mossad, let's all remember what the FLLF was and how almost executed an US
Ambassador.
"Filmmaker Rob Reiner tweeted on Thursday that the president is a "childish moronic mentally
unstable malignant narcissist" who is "committing Treason" against the United States."
He and fellow tribesmen are welcome to sign up and go fight Israel's wars themselves, just
not with white male republican blood. The guy is good at border skirmishes, too. He led an
effort to keep poor Mexicans out of his rich Malibu neighborhood back in 2014 by refusing
Whole Foods a building location. Like most of his kind, he's a sociopathic hypocrite and a
liar.
@MAGAnotMISA
What I miss is destroying white cultures through mass immigration.
Though what I miss in this theory what exactly is the objective, is it whites and Muslims
annihilating each other, or just divide and rule ?
But maybe thinking in this way has not gone far enough.
Bernard Baruch's world domination plan failed miserably, but he even failed to understand
that it had failed, otherwise he had not in 1946 pleaded for a world government.
One must not underestimate the enemy, but also not overestimate him.
Jewish policies for the last 2000 years can hardly be seen as a success.
Judaism lost the battle with Christianity, Bolshevism failed in Russia, getting equal rights
in W Europe led to the WWII deportations, with or without gas chambers, Israel succeeded in
surrounding itself with enemies, as neighbors, and all over the world, and Jewish puppet
Hillary was not elected.
The latest statements by Netanyahu confirm my idea of a complete idiot.
I continue to be amazed that anyone gives any credibility whatsoever who claims US Mideast
military involvement is in the best interest of the nation. The above-mentioned commenters
must almost inevitably more about self-interest than anything patriotic. As for appearing
profound, well, there's Rob Reiner!
As I sat in Christmas Eve service last night, an adorable little boy played quietly with his
father in the seat next to us. The little boy was probably just under 2 years of age.
In the middle of one of the Christmas Carols the thought struck me,
"I wonder if we will still be in ___________ war 17 years from now, when this
little boy becomes enlistment age . . ."
That thought alone makes me favor Trump for re-election. I think (I could be wrong, I'm no
expert) we have less war and a lesser risk of war with Trump. The "establishment" policies
of: invade the world – invite the world – in hoc with the world; are horrifically
deadly and destructive.
As usual, Giraldi is spot on with his observations. I wish him a Merry Christmas and hope to
see a lot more of his articles in the coming year.
I find Rob Reiner amusing, if not occasionally annoying. After having spent decades up to
my nose with his tribe while working in LA in the entertainment industry I can guarantee
Hollywood Jews go completely apoplectic anytime they perceive their government, the
Jewish-occupied government that rules over us all, is not following their commands.
Come to think of it, apoplexy's first definition is a stroke, its second definition is: a
state of intense and almost uncontrollable anger. One can only hope that jerks like Reiner
who indulge so heavily in the second definition will end up experiencing the first, and good
riddance.
A mong hawks in N. America, Cooper's Hawk ( Accipiter cooperii ),
Red-shouldered Hawk ( Buteo lineatus ), and Red-tailed Hawk ( Buteo jamaicensis
) are the three species most likely to take domestic chickens, or yardbirds as they are
sometimes called, and it is these three species that are or have been commonly called
Chickenhawks in the United States, at least among non-birders, who are people with neither
binoculars nor field guide.
But I think most here know that Philip Giraldi is referring to the craven human variety of
warmonger known in some circles as the Yellow-tailed Chickenhawk, or its close relative the
Yellow-bellied Chickenhawk.
President Trump's announcement is a very nice Christmas present, which I choose to take a
face value pending unwrapping. As always, actions speak louder than words. Let's hope that
there isn't a booby prize or two lurking beneath the Christmas tree and hidden by the big
surprise package, or that there isn't a lump of coal at the bottom of our holiday
stockings.
Pipelines to Europe for KSA and fresh water sources for Israel? Destabilizing a local
rival of both? Who knows?
What we do know is that "we" have allowed our "leaders" to pimp out our military to the
rogue special interests of the world. We have the best government foreign interests can
buy.
The Zionist MSM and MIC and the Zionist AIPAC and company are the hounds of Hell baying for
war as warmongers always want war as long as they do not have to fight it and can reap the
profits from the wars! ...
@chris
Let's think about this. The USA has not been able to defeat the Afghan Taliban forces in 17
years. It brought down Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq, but, with that unfortunate country
totally destroyed, how could you call that a win (I doubt if the Iraqi's consider the US to
be liberators).
Now the crack pot Obama/Hillary campaign has lost in Syria, and Trump wants to pull out. All three countries were much
smaller and weaker than Iran...
But Israel supported by Saudi Arabia does not like Iran and has induced Washington to
follow its lead. Withdrawing from Syria recognizes that Iran is no threat in reality.
Positioning American military forces to "counter" Iran does not reduce the threat against
the United States because there was no threat there to begin with.
Yes of course, I would just add that Israel hates Iran.
Rand Paul and others have been pushing back hard against the NEOCON narrative here, good
news. The initial anti Trump tide has turned in this matter.
I briefly saw Bill Krysrol's smug mug on TV the other day....
Trump telling General Mattis to pack his bags and begone is the work of a good CEO. Mad Dog
could have done a lot of damage to Mr. Trump's agenda if he had been allowed to stay on until
the end of February, as he had said he would. In corporate America, if an underling is
disloyal to the CEO, he will be told to vacate the premises for good by the end of the
workday, and escorted out of the building by armed security. His keys will be taken, all
locks will be changed, and his passwords expunged. No doubt Trump, as CEO, has had to employ
such tactics many times before. He obviously relishes saying "You're Fired!"
Any competent Trump loyalist can be found to replace this worn out old soldier. I hope he
won't be yet another general. MacArthur said that "old soldier never die, they just fade
away." Time for Mattis to do just that, and never be heard from again.
Syria is a money pit for the taxpayers and giant profit source for the super rich. 'The
United States military should only be deployed anywhere to defend the U.S. itself or vital
interests' says Trump, Obama or Bush. But war is too important to be left to politicians.
They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought.
Trump
was appointed by rich people only so they could have someone to blame. 100% of the voters
believe they personally have the right to kill women and children overseas with their hired
mercenaries to defend the U.S. itself or vital interests. Americans shell out taxes to pay
for US troops to guard mining operations and poppy fields in Afghanistan, oil fields in Iraq,
online propaganda and so much more. Why deploy the United States Military when there's more
profit in hiring private mercenaries? Plus you don't have to say that "vital interests" crap
anymore.
This article is an excellent summary of msm and neocon reaction to the planned US withdrawal
from Syria and a good survey of why getting Uncle Sam out of Syria makes sense. I would also
add that allying with the Kurds was at best a short term solution. Not only would a Kurdish
state in eastern Syria be unacceptable to Turkey but the Sunni Arabs of the Euphrates Valley
would be certain to resist Kurdish rule. Merry Christmas to all!
@ChuckOrloski
In my opinion, Zionist Israel will never stop being the agent provocateur in the Mideast and
elsewhere ie the Ukraine etc., and since the Zionists control the U.S. government I think
their satanic NWO plans are still in place, and think the U.S. military is just going to be
placed in Iraq and Jordan ie just across the border to Syria and will continue with their
proxy mercenaries aka AL CIADA aka ISIS.
Some good sites to follow are Southfront.org and Henrymakow.com and Stevequayle.com and
Thetruthseeker.co.uk etc., all things considered even Putin said that Russia will wait and
see if the U.S. really leaves the Mideast, I wish all our troops would be brought home, but
with the Zionist control of our government it will never happen.
It is snowing here in Montana so we have a white Christmas, which we could do without, but
have a Merry Christmas!
If you want to know who's agitating for war, look no further than our "friends," the Brits.
This is what they do every single time a U.S. President doesn't commit troops to some war
they've approved of, or started. They terror bait, or mock, or a combination of the two. And
since a lot of people in Washington take them seriously, it has appreciable impact on our
policies.
This is the first sane thing Trump did in two years. Also, this is the first action he
promised his supporters in 2016. Naturally, Israel-firsters, who in 2016 backed the corrupt
mad witch to a man, are unhappy. Their unhappiness is a good sign that this action is
actually in American interests. If Trump folds and reverses, this would expose him as a 100%
fraud. If he sticks to his guns, maybe there is hope for him yet. Stay tuned.
@follyofwar
Oh, no; I don't mean Trump will start some major ground offensive to win anything! No,
they'll just try to destroy Iran in order to give jihadist a chance to kill as many people as
possible. This will be a Libyan-style war and "victory."
The U.S. has 2,000 soldiers in a kill-sack if Erdogan decides to cut off their supply lines.
And, calling Erdogan "unreliable" is something of an understatement. The U.S. can say very
little about Erdogan's behaviour while he can take reprisals on U.S. troops.
-- Turkey and Saudi are feuding, and the U.S. needs Saudi more than Turkey to maintain
sanctions and other pressure on Iran.
-- Turkey is becoming dangerously deranged in its statements about Israel (1). And the
U.S. / Israeli relationship is vital for many reasons.
-- Turkey has been a threat to Christian Cyprus for decades. The Leviathan-Cyprus-Greece
pipeline is important to help free Christian Populist EU nations, such as Italy, from
tyrannical rule under Soros-servitors Merkel and Macron.
Do not over over read the withdrawal as a change in regional strategy. There are no major
policy changes. This is about opening the door to push out Erdogan, if that becomes necessary
to support the existing U.S. regional strategy. And, the U.S. can still hope that Erdogan is
saying demented things solely for domestic consumption and doesn't intend to actually follow
thru on the crazy.
@MAGAnotMISA
"ISIS is a mossad-Jewish lobby creation to win the PR war against Muslims and to keep the US
attacking and "containing" Israel's geopolitical adversaries and eternally occupying Arab
lands, and well, to Make Israel Safe Again "
– Hard to disagree with your statement. And who could forget the amazing care of the
Jewish State for the White Helmets known for their cooperation with other "moderate"
terrorists: https://gellerreport.com/2018/07/israel-syria-jordan.html/
Israel Evacuates 800 of Syria's White Helmets and Their Families to Jordan
The Israel Defense Forces said it engaged in the "out of the ordinary" gesture due to
the "immediate risk" to the lives of the civilians, as Russian-backed regime forces closed
in on the area. It stressed that it was not intervening in the ongoing fighting in
Syria.
The Jordanian government, which has consistently refused to accept Syrian refugees in
recent years, said an exception was made in this case as the United Kingdom, Canada and
Germany agreed to take the 800 White Helmet rescuers and their families.
Germany's Bild newspaper reported that a convoy of dozens of buses crossed the Syrian
border into Israel late Saturday, and were escorted to the Jordanian border by Israeli
police and UN forces.
A lot of the rejoicing in the pro-Putin camp seems to be based on the idea that this somehow
benefits Putin but I don't think it does. He is still irreversibly bogged down in Syria.
@renfro
Netanyahu is telling the idiotic Israeli public what they want to hear. Let's not forget that
there are elections due on 9 April.
You can hardly expect a politician to tell the public that if they so much as launch a
missile against Damascus airport, the airport of Tel Aviv will be bombed in return. The days
when the Israelis could do as they wished in Syria and Lebanon are gone.
"Organ theft, staged attacks: UN panel details White Helmets' criminal activities, media
yawns," by Eva Bartlett.
"[During] a more than one-hour-long panel on the White Helmets at the United Nations on
December 20 the irrefutable documentation was presented on the faux-rescue group's
involvement in criminal activities, which include organ theft, working with terrorists --
including as snipers -- staging fake rescues, thieving from civilians, and other
non-rescuer behaviour.
a Syrian civilian, Omar al-Mustafa, is cited as stating: "I saw them (White Helmets)
bring children who were alive, put them on the floor as if they had died in a chemical
attack."
In my own visits to eastern Ghouta towns last April and May, residents likewise spoke of
organ theft, staged rescues, the White Helmets working with Jaysh al-Islam, while an Aleppo
man likewise described them as thieves who steal from civilians, not rescuers.
Four days after the UN panel, to my knowledge, not a single corporate media outlet has
covered the event and its critical contents.
This is in spite of the fact that the Western corporate media has been happy to
propagandize about the White Helmets for years, and to attack those of us who dare to
present testimonies and evidence from on the ground in Syria which contradicts the official
narrative.
@DESERT
FOX "The most incredible thing was that the Zionists and the Zionist controlled deep
state did 911 which was the precursor to the latest Mideast wars and the war on terror where
the Zionists killed some 3000 Americans and blamed the Arabs and got away with it , when
every thinking American knows that Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911!"
The number of victims of 9/11 in NYC are way above 3000. Cancers and so on just don't get
counted. BTW, it is not from the dust. It is from the small nuclear bombs in the 2 buildings.
The 3rd building was only explosives.
@jilles
dykstra "Is Netanyahu crazy enough to provoke an attack ?"
– He is certainly endangering himself and his parasitic state by the silly ideas of
mythological choseness.
Let's hope that the more intelligent Soviet Jews (as compared to the mediocre pool of the
pre-Soviet Israelis) take pains to explain the former salesman the stupidity of military
confrontation with Iran/Russia. As for the US-dwelling zionists' stupidity it is irredeemable.
@Bragadocious
What the hell is up with these dysfunctional Brits anyway? With their empire thankfully long
gone, their society in tatters, and a Muslim mayor running majority-minority London, they
think they can get the US to take on Iran for them? Spare me! This "special relationship" has
got to end. The Brits must be under the thumb of the Zionists even more than is the USA. And
their sad monarchy belongs in the dustbin of history.
@jilles
dykstra It's just what you said, he's keeping a low profile and staying inside on advice
of his security. They're probably worried about snipers in ahigh rise somewhere.
It's been fun listening to (((NPR))) try to spin military withdrawal as a bad thing without
actually saying as much. "Trump's facing critics in his own party," "here are some Kurds
bitching," "General McProcurer is really pissed," "Chikkenhauk Epsteinbergwitzbaum sez it's
the end of the world," etc.
No rationality, no credibility decision (Syria withdrawal).
Most variables are missing. Trump is insignificant but as a figurehead. At least a few
layers, the correlations and "secret" deals with Israel, Turkey, IS, Kurds, France, the UK,
let's not forget Russia are missing. The commoner, deplorable, are lead by the nose, our
middle class bread scribes are doing the herding by shifting the attention, and building an
exit of face saving on what they omit to pull in the open.
No value in this "News" and "Christmas present" at all, but more of deceit of a global
ruling class in the shadows. It is called smarts, to deceive the rest of the dumb (in the
eyes of the elites) masses, it is relevant to call out our elites on not smart enough to
think over the long term.
Who of a building presence of outliers can they still deceive?
@Sarah
Toga "Death and taxes" for countries translates to "war and bankruptcy." Maybe we'll get
lucky and hit the latter before we kill everyone in the former.
@Realist
That's more like Erdogan's problem with Russia. Russian coastal defense system K-300P
Bastion-P in Crimea is perfectly capable of making Bosporus and Dardanelles straits much
wider. However crazy Erdogan is, he is well aware of that.
@follyofwar
Actually Brits think their country is doing just great. But yeah, the "special relationship"
should be scuttled. We face a bigger threat from British jihadis than any Iranians anywhere.
Richard Reid is sitting in a federal Supermax, but I don't think any Iranians are.
Brits simply love using the U.S. military for their own venal objectives. And if anything
goes wrong, the Brits can distance themselves and blame it on "the Yanks." A win-win.
@Svigor
It is really funny to see "peace-loving" liberals trying not to look like warmongers that
they are. NPR is not alone in attempting this sleight of hand: NYT, CNN, WaPo, and others of
their ilk are desperately trying to appear peace-loving while promoting wars that benefit MIC
and Israel. Hypocrisy at its most awkward. The only good thing is, they are forced to show
their true colors.
@m___
Well you know, that perception of yours re how the real world really works is, actually,
positive and optimistic.
If if I get you correct, you believe/feel/think there IS the "overclass" (for a lack of
better word) which rules the world. They are hidden, all powerful, competent, on the same
page and malevolent re us , the common folks.
I am afraid that's not the case.
I believe/feel/think there is no such overclass.
My take is there are warring factions of mostly incompetent little people with a lot of power
who fight among themselves who's going to get more power and related material wealth. The
malevolent part re all those they see as below them is given, of course.
And, gets worse, actually.
In this particular case I think the decision was made in a spur of a moment. Pure Emperor
whim,if you will.
On top of it, we still haven't seen any actual move on the ground.
And, even if those up to 2000 men do pull out, what about CIA/special forces/contractors
bunch?
And, even better, those 2000 and more can return in 48 hours if the Emperor decides
otherwise. In a spur of a moment too.
Anyone so happy here commenting this .thing has been following what's really been
happening with North Korea?
What exactly changed from that fateful meeting between the Emperor and the Cult Leader?
Let's summarize: the very point of all that was stopping and rolling back NK capability for
long range nuclear strike.
So .any "rolling" happened? Anything?
I don't think so, but, more than happy to be proven wrong. Proven, mind you.
The only important, and sad actually, is how we all got into the stage when a tweet by
that fellow can agitate us so much.
Mice and just a whiff of cheese over the cage.
They really got us where they wanted. And those "they" aren't even that smart.
Just great.
All wars are jews wars: "Trump is retreating from Syria – and from his pro-Israel Jewish conservative
voters. If that decision is a harbinger of other strategic moves distancing him from Israel's
security, much of his remaining Jewish support will fall off a cliff"
"The United States refuse to fight for the transnational financiers"
As soon as he entered the White House, Donald Trump was careful to surround himself with
three senior military officers with enough authority to reposition the armed forces.
Michael Flynn, John Kelly and especially James Mattis, have since left or are in the
process of leaving. All three men are great soldiers who together had opposed their
hierarchy during Obama's presidency. They did not accept the strategy implemented by
ambassador John Negroponte for the creation of terrorist groups tasked with stirring up a
civil war in Iraq. All three stood with President Trump to annul Washington's support for
the jihadists.
The Pentagon project for the last seventeen years in the "Greater Middle East" will not
happen. Conceived by Admiral Arthur Cebrowski, it was aimed at destroying all the state
structures in the region, with the exception of Israël, Jordan and Lebanon. This plan,
which began in Afghanistan, spread as far as Libya, and is still under way, will come to an
end on Syrian territory.
It is no longer acceptable that US armies fight with taxpayers' funds for the sole
financial interests of global financiers, even if they are US citizens.
The Bush Jr. and Obama administrations shoulder the entire responsibility for this war
[in Syria]. They were the ones who planned it and realised it within the framework of a
unipolar world .
Afghanistan's misery began during the Carter presidency. National Security Advisor,
Zbigniew Brzeziński, called on the Muslim Brotherhood and Israël to launch a
campaign of terrorism against the Communist government. Terrified, the government appealed
to the Soviets to maintain order. The result was a fourteen-year war, followed by a civil
war, and then followed by the Anglo-US invasion.
After forty years of uninterrupted destruction, President Trump states that US military
presence is not the solution for Afghanistan, it's the problem.
My take is there are warring factions of mostly incompetent little people with a lot of
power who fight among themselves who's going to get more power and related material wealth.
The malevolent part re all those they see as below them is given, of course.
@Realist
When Erdogan's military had shot down the Russian jet, Turkey paid for it rapidly with an
economic squeeze. Russian tourism to Turkey was shut down and green grocer exports to Russia
were subjected to intense scrutiny/inspection and nearly halted. One could say the Turks are
still feeling the effect, the impact was immediate and probably there hasn't been a full
recovery to some of the businesses that had been damaged. Erdogan tucked his tail and played
nice with Putin after all but he is no dependable ally of anyone, he's screwed everyone he'd
ever done business with insofar as the M.E. regional game. The main problem with Turkey for
Russia is the Erdogan regime's Salafi outlook (to say the leadership is sympathetic to
al-Qaida would be an understatement.) Erdogan may have promised to 'neutralize' the Idlib
extremists but he won't, he can't, in fact he doesn't dare, it is estimated there are upwards
of 1,000 cells established in Turkey. How that plays out is anyone's guess but my money is on
the idea he'll shove the the Idlib extremists off on the Kurds as a Turkish military proxy
and cross Putin in the process (the USA won't mind this at all and in fact CIA Ops division
might reward it.)
@AnonFromTN"The only good thing is, they are forced to show their true colors."
Exactly. The liars, frauds, gatekeepers, Hillary-bots, and every brand of stupid in between
have been flushed into the open. For example, anyone who still admires Chomsky should take
note:
Aaron MatéVerified account @aaronjmate · Dec 24
Update: Chomsky was sent my Q & this is his response. He favors keeping US troops in
Syria as a holding operation until a final settlement w/ Russia-Assad that could guarantee
Kurds' safety. With US pulling out now, he argues that all leverage is lost to avoid a
Turkish assault:
"What deal with the Russians (who right now are making cozy deals with Turkey)? And a
deal with Assad, the main mass murderer in Syria – – who can in any event do
nothing to deter Turkey.
In fact, in the longer term there should be a deal crucially involving Russia and with
Assad, with some kind of guarantees (for what they are worth) to preserve at least some
limited protection for the Kurds. But that's the longer term. This is now. For now, the
sole deterrent to a Turkish assault is a small US contingent confined to Kurdish areas, as
a holding operation for a possible longer term settlement along the lines just
indicated."
Chickenhawk (bird)
- Wikipedia "In the United States, chickenhawk or chicken hawk is an unofficial designation for three species
of North Americanhawks in the family
Accipitridae :
Cooper's hawk , also
called a quail hawk, the sharp-shinned hawk , and the red-tailed hawk . The term
"chicken hawk", however, is inaccurate. Although Cooper's and sharp-shinned hawks may attack
other birds, chickens do not
make up a significant part of their diets; red-tailed hawks have varied diets, but may
opportunistically hunt free-range poultry . "
Notable quotes:
"... In defense of the chickenhawk -- the actual bird ..."
"... So while I certainly despise the useless eaters that agitate for war while having not the slightest idea what combat of any kind is about, I always cringe at the degradation of the word 'chickenhawk' a mighty little predator whose good name should not be sullied in association with such human detritus ..."
The first time I saw one in action, it was quite a revelation I looked out the kitchen
window to see what looked like a blue jay perching on some kind of largish rock that he was
pecking at of course that made no sense at all and upon closer examination it turned out to
be a tiny raptor, not even a foot long from beak to tail, standing on a much larger dead
chicken and ripping flesh off of it I ran out back toward the chicken yard and the mighty
little slayer flew off the poor hen had a good part of her back flesh removed
Pretty amazing that such a tiny bird could take a chicken easily ten times its weight --
the sharp shinned hawk weighs just 200-400 grams
So while I certainly despise the useless eaters that agitate for war while having not
the slightest idea what combat of any kind is about, I always cringe at the degradation of
the word 'chickenhawk' a mighty little predator whose good name should not be sullied in
association with such human detritus
"... Maybe I am overestimating the intelligence of MIC profiteers, but my impression is that those thieves know that their loot is only useful as long as they are alive. There is a lot of silly hostile talk against Russia and China, but have you noticed how the US military always makes sure that there are no direct confrontations with countries that can turn the US into radioactive dust? The profiteers want huge Pentagon budget to steal from, but not the war where they lose along with everyone else. ..."
@Z-man
Israel fears Iran, is my idea. Norman Finkelstein once stated that Israeli jews do not see
how there ever can be peace with the Palestinians 'after all we did to them'. Not all jews
are idiots. Forgot in which book I read that in the thirties a Zionist reached Palestine, and
saw that this was not the 'land without people for people without land'. He stated 'this is a
crime'.
The destruction and destabilisation of the ME, an Israeli plan, as far as I know.
In 1921 and later years there was the enormous population exchange, without any financial
compensation, between Turkey and Greece. To this day tensions exist between the two
countries.
Iran is one of the oldest civilisations. Twice, one might say even three time, the west
overthrew Iranian democracy. Iran knows of course quite well that the VS brought Saddam to
power so that he could subjugate Iran, that had rid itself of the USA puppet shah. Iran also
of course knows quite well Jewish power in the USA, Bush' s promise to AIPAC to destroy Iraq.
Will those leading Iran now ever trust the USA or Israel ?
So that Netanyahu and USA jewry now are in complete panic, who had expected it to be
otherwise ? Uri Avnery wrote 'the only language zionists understand is power. Is there a
problem, use power, if it does not help, use more power, if that also fails, use even more
power'.
There has never been any serious negotiation between Israel and its neighbors, or with the
Palestinians. About the Oslo negotiations a book appeared in Israel with the title 'How we
fooled the Palestinians'? Sharon answered any Arab League peace proposal with force, Jenin,
one of them, if my recollection is correct. There always was the idea of overwhelming more
military power, and of USA support.
Kissinger saved Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur war by flying over hundreds of the newest
USA anti tank weapons, wire guided, TOW. What will the USA do in case Israel is attacked ? Is
Netanyahu crazy enough to provoke an attack ?
Maybe I am overestimating the intelligence of MIC profiteers, but my impression is
that those thieves know that their loot is only useful as long as they are alive. There is a
lot of silly hostile talk against Russia and China, but have you noticed how the US military
always makes sure that there are no direct confrontations with countries that can turn the US
into radioactive dust? The profiteers want huge Pentagon budget to steal from, but not the
war where they lose along with everyone else.
As to the wall, it is one of the silliest projects ever suggested. Maybe that's why it was
so easy to sell it to the intellectually disadvantaged electorate. There are two things that
can stop illegal immigration. First, go for the employers, enact a law that fines them to the
tune of $50,000 or more per every illegal they employ. Second, enact the law that anyone
caught residing in the US illegally has no right to enter the US legally, to obtain asylum,
permanent residency, or citizenship for life, and include a provision that marriage to a US
citizen does not nullify this ban. Then enforce both laws. After that illegals would run out
of the country, and greedy employers won't hire any more. Naturally, the wall, even if built,
won't change anything: as long as there are employers trying to save on salaries, immigration
fees, and Social Security tax, and people willing to live and work illegally risking nothing,
no wall would stem the flow.
Unfortunately, no side is even thinking about real measures, both are just posturing.
Probably the single most important political fact about the modern world has been the steady
rise of the United States of America. From a geopolitical point of view, the United States
really is in a class of its own. While the Soviet Union might have rivaled the U.S. militarily,
and while China and the European Union may be comparable economic giants, no other nation comes
even close to having America's combination of economic, diplomatic, military, cultural, and,
increasingly important, surveillance power.
At least since the Second World War, there has been a veritable cottage industry of books
predicting America's supposedly inevitable decline, due either to the myth of American
"exceptionalism" or to imperial hubris. In actual fact, one is struck at how steadily America
has maintained its global share of power. Despite their economic recovery in the postwar years,
the decline of Western Europe and Japan has in fact proved a more fundamental tendency. Russia
has only partially recovered from the collapse from the Soviet Union. After decolonization
– the collapse of the overseas European empires – in fact virtually none of Third
World has been able to organize themselves as influential actors ("Brazil is the country of the
future and always will be," De Gaulle is supposed to have said.) Only capitalist China, it
seems, will have the organization, intelligence, and sheer size to decisively overtake the
United States economically.
... ... ...
The United States was however not merely founded by Europeans, but in particular by the
English, who have the distinction of having been one the most dynamic and economically
successful of European nations. England, blessed with mostly harmlessly small Celtic neighbors
and a crucial little expanse of water between itself and the Continent (a mere 33 kilometers
between Dover and Calais!), could develop in relative security develop in a most unique
direction. Whereas virtually all European principalities developed
Whereas political survival on the mainland depended on the state's coercive ability to raise
the men and taxes necessary to a large army, in England this depended instead on the
maintenance of a large navy, which itself required an advanced trading economy. The American
Founding Fathers were acutely aware of the role of war in the development of Continental
despotism and self -consciously made their republic into a counter-model.
For the foreseeable future however, I expect that America's combination of size,
dollar hegemony, energy, natural individualist dynamism, cultural power, and cognitive
elitism will continue to make the leading superpower outside of the Sinosphere.
and
I would not be surprised if secession were a viable prospect by mid-century
is:
I expect that America's combination of size, dollar hegemony, energy, natural
individualist dynamism, cultural power, and cognitive elitism will continue to make the
leading superpower outside of the Sinosphere at least until mid-century
Now, there are some things conspicuously missing from the article. Demographics
change, destruction of middle class and that 1 %/deplorables thing.
I guess that could've been mentioned, even addressed, but, well ..
Anyway, given those parameters, the challenge is how to live in that paradigm.
Not easy I guess for, I'd say, 95 % of authors, commentators and readers here.
A very shallow article here by someone who does not know the USA, a country hosting the
world's biggest gulag with 2.2 million prisoners in carcerated about 1 out of every 45
working-age males in prison at this moment whereas jailing in Western Europe is about 1 out
of every 1000 citizens, in the USA it is 1 out of 140
Durocher buys into USA schoolboy 'Constitution' cult propaganda, and the supposedly
glorious 'First Amendment' As shown in the recent US Dept of
Justice filing on crimes involving Robert Mueller , that 'Constitution' can be totally
and instantly nullified by judges who don't respect it, US judges even endorsing fake
documents claiming people agreed to ban their own freedom of speech for life, and ordering
that court appeals be banned from court records and the internet whilst lawyers who oppose
such schemes instantly lose their USA law licences
Durocher thinks USA 'law' is like in Hollywood movies, which points to the real
'strength' of the USA – its domination over global media and propaganda, via
Hollywood, the CIA's Wikipedia, etc
The USA has become especially corrupt internally since about the time the Soviet Union
fell, with every aspect of US culture – the courts and law, health care, etc –
becoming a criminal racket
The USA and China, both had the benefit of being huge countries in resource-rich regions
with a moderate climate There was no doubt that in earlier USA development, economic growth
was fuelled by an overall positive entrepreneur-friendly legal environment but those days
are over
US small business creation has been hit hard for some time now, too many pressures and
rules and legal problems the USA is run by out-of-control monopolists, and the place is
being poisoned, rather badly, both culturally and literally (the food)
Many USA people are okay, fun, etc but the USA is ultimately a disturbing place, and
quite dangerous if one collides with or is targeted by its police-state system, or the
gov-encouraged mafia lawyers stealing people's money, as savvy European business people
know there is no 'rule of law' there, it is wide-open court gangsterism now, as President
Trump himself suffers when the Hillary-&-Bush-tied judges (most of them) block Trump's
actions
The USA has a lot of past wealth to draw upon, and a final filip from the last years of
the US dollar as 'reserve currencey' denominating global debt but the USA is not a very
nice place, with a future either broken into pieces, or becoming a new kind of
multi-cultural, bigger sort of Mexico
This is a silly article, given its assumption that things will continue upon the
trajectory of the past quarter millennium, just as the United States teeters on the edge of
an abyss of its own making. The tragedy is less its own demise than the fact that it is
bringing the rest of the world down with it
The article is weak, and some comments demonstrate higher level of understand then the
article itself. Although the level of understanding the the destiny of the USA is not tied to the
destiny of neoliberalism (much like the USSR and Bolshevism) is still foreign for many.
I wonder how history may have played out IF the French didn't lose Canada. Suppose the
British Empire made peace with France ruling over Canada. Then, would the colonies have been
willing to rebel against the British?
Perhaps, out of fear of French Canada, the colonies would have stuck closer to the British
Empire as protection.
But the British Empire expended huge sums to defeat the French in Canada(especially
because of the insistence of the colonialists). With the French out of the picture, the
American colonies no longer feared the French and became more defiant against the Mother
Country.
Another result of the French-and-Indians War was that the British decided to tax the
colonies. Having spent so much to defend the colonies and defeat French Canada, the British
Motherland thought that increased taxation was only fair. But the colonies disagreed, and
there followed the rebellion. But here's the thing. The Revolutionaries had NO CHANCE of
winning against the British without outside help. After all, only 1/3 of colonialists
rebelled while another 1/3 fought for the Crown(and another 1/3 remained neutral). So, why
did the American Revolutionaries win? Only because the French entered on their part. And why
did the French side with the rebels? For the French, it was sweet revenge. The British
Empire, prodded by the colonialists, took on French Canada and robbed France of all that
wonderful territory.
So, what better way for the French to get their revenge by aiding the rebel-colonists
against the British Empire? As all the major battles involved French troops, it was the
French that really made American Independence possible. But this soon proved to a Pyrrhic
victory for the French Monarchy. It became financially even more exhausted than the British
Empire after the French-and-Indian Wars. Strapped for cash, the French Monarchy had a
difficult time managing social unrest, and there followed the Revolution that toppled the
king.
Even though the French Monarchy made American Independence possible, the Americans soon
sided with the French Revolutionaries. Next, if Napoleon hadn't been so ambitious on the
Continent, maybe he could have done more build up the Louisiana Territory with French
settlers. While Anglo-Americans were itching to grab that territory for themselves, they just
couldn't do it because France had done so much for the Americans. Also, having severed ties
with the British Empire(that still held Canada), they were gonna get no help from the Crown
to just grab the Louisiana territories. But then, a miracle for the Americans. Because
Napoleon was strapped for cash, he sold the entire territory for peanuts. (Later the dumb
Russians sold Alaska to Americans.)
Now, let's roll back history a little. Why didn't French Canada develop as quickly as the
13 Anglo colonies. Partly it was the weather as it was colder up there. But the other reason
was the different sets of property rights in UK and France. The French Monarchy considered
all the Canadian territory as its own private property. So, there was less incentive(and
freedom) for common Frenchmen to move to the New World and begin anew. In contrast, Anglos
who moved to America were given the opportunity for private ownership and enterprise, and
that was powerful incentive for many more Anglos to try out their luck in the New World.
Now, suppose the French had held onto French Canada and changed the incentives for
Frenchmen to move there. Keep in mind that France held both Canada and the vast Louisiana
territories. Imagine if many French moved to Canada and then moved down and settled the
Louisiana territories. They could have been the masters of America. And there might have been
no French Revolution. And there might have been no American War of Independence either.
If British Empire and French Empire had made peace in the New World, then there would have
been no French-and-Indian Wars, which led to taxation of the colonies that led to the
rebellion by colonialists. If there had been no French-and-Indian War, the colonialists might
have clung closer to the Empire out of fear of the French. Also, if there had been peace
between French Empire and British Empire, the French most certainly would NOT have aided
Independence struggle of the rebellious colonialists. Any attempt to break away from the
British Empire would have been easily crushed by British troops. In such scenario, the French
Monarchy would not have expended huge sums to aid the colonial rebellion against the British.
And flush with cash, the French Monarchy would have been far sturdier against social and
political problems.
It would have been a world without American Independence and French Revolution. It would
have been a world in which the French still controlled Canada and had claims over vast
Louisiana territories. In such a world, if the French had incentivized French migration to
the Americas like the British did, Canada and and 2/3 of the America could have ended up in
French hands, and the 20th century might have been a Franco-Canadian-Louisianan Century.
Would such have been better?
There is no mystery to American Power. It's the 3 L's: Land, Lineage, and Legacy.
Obviously, if America were 1/20th of its real size, it could not have been a superpower
despite cultural and political factors. After all, Anglos did pretty well in New Zealand, but
it's no superpower. As for Australia, it is huge, but most of the place is uninhabitable.
America was the best land in the world. All that vast territory in temperate zone. Not too
hot, not too cold, and with lots of arable land with best soil in the world. Western Europe
is also in temperate zone but small in size and lacking in resources. Russia is huge, but
much of it is cold and desolate. China is huge, but for its size, rather lacking in good
arable land and resources. In contrast, US has good weather, great farmlands, tremendous
amounts of natural resources in oil and minerals.
Then, there was the Lineage. Anglos were intelligent and homogeneous(racially). That meant
lots of ability and unity. Pretty solid DNA material.
There was also the Legacy. Anglos developed certain manners and attitudes that were
conducive for both Order and Freedom. Too much order stifles progress. Too much freedom leads
to chaos. Anglos developed a way to found freedom upon order. So, Anglo freedom wasn't about
acting like stupid drunkards but by using discipline to foster self-control that could allow
for higher freedoms in thought, enterprise, adventure, discovery, and experimentation. It was
different from the freedom of savages and barbarians whose life revolves around the passion
of the dong and butt. It was about repressing wild energies and building character so that
individuals, as men of honor and culture, could be free as ideal gentlemen and ladies. Such a
mindset and attitude made for a culture of greater trust, rule of law, and sense of honor.
People interacted on the basis of contracts than on petty kinship or autocratic
subservience.
And precisely because the Anglo Way and especially the Anglo-American Way revolved around
ideas about laws, contracts, honor, trust, and obligations, it was less culture-specific. And
this meant that new immigrants who were non-Anglo could also adopt the Anglo-American way. It
was easier for non-Anglos to assimilate into Americanism that had a set of rules than a set
of rites and rituals. It's like it's easier to convert to Christianity than to Judaism. It's
easier to become a Buddhist than a Hindu. Christianity and Buddhism are credo-faiths whereas
Judaism and Hinduism are ethno-faiths. While Americanism had a particular racial and ethnic
imprint(that of Anglos), the basic modes of Americanism could easily be adopted and practiced
by non-Anglos, at least if they were white(as a Anglo-ized German or Pole pretty much looked
like any Anglo-American).
So, Anglo-Europeans(non-Anglo whites who became Anglo-Americanized) joined with
Anglo-Americans in the American Enterprise? And why not join when there was so much promise
in living in America than in cramped old Europe(where democracy and individual rights didn't
come to fruition for most nations until the late 19th century, but even then, so much of
European history in the 20th century was about aristocratic war of WWI, communism, Fascism,
National Socialism, ethno-imperial war of WWII, and Iron Curtain. (Granted, one could say US
had its own tragedies with war with Indians, destruction of nature, and the Civil War, but
history moved too fact in the US for anyone to grieve for too long.)
That is the essential backbone of why America became a great power. The 3L and the easily
Anglo-Americanization of newcomers. It was far easier to forget your original identity and
become an Anglo/American than, say, a Swede, Pole, or Swede, all specific identities rooted
in historical particularism. Granted, French did try to universalize Frenchness, but it's
surely easier to comprehend and adopt Anglo-Americanism with its powerful but simple sets of
rules than Frenchness with so much emphasis on haute culture and intellectual sophistication.
While the Anglos could be snobby, they were also buttoned-down and more pragmatic. Being a
decent law-abiding shopkeeper was enough to be Anglo, whereas you needed some degree of
Culture to be French. It's like American fast food is more universally appealing that various
French cuisines that are good but require some degree of refinement to appreciate. Though
Angl0-Americanism wasn't exactly a Fast Culture(like fast food), it was more digestible. (It
was with the fading of Anglo-emphasis in American Culture that it really turned into a Fast
Culture. Today, you can be a total barbarian slob whose only interests are tattoos and going
crazy at Walmart on Black Friday. THAT is Americanism.) Also, America unleashed certain
repressed energies in the Old World that was overly bound by tradition. Americanism unleashed
just enough vigor of barbarism to add charge to Western Civilization. We can see this in the
American Western. It's about creating order and civilization but also about adventurousness
and individuality.
Now, two other factors made America bigger in the world. Jews and blacks. Jews have been
tireless in science, business, entertainment, intellect, and etc. When Anglo-American
creativity, pride, and fire began to fade in the second half of the 2oth century, Jews took
up the slack with lots of great writers, artists, and activists. Jews made Hollywood, the
dream factor of the world. Now, would America have had a great film industry without Jews?
Maybe. After all, Walt Disney wasn't Jewish. But Jews have knack for such things. They also
came to dominate gambling. And many Jews were prominent song-writers of the 20th century.
Of course, Jews drew a lot of their musical influences from blacks. And blacks, with their
jive rhythm and louder voices, played a huge role in the development of American music that
came to influence the world. Even white performers like Elvis heavily drew on black
influence. The black-Jew chemistry in music was highly interesting and productive.
America also gained prominence in sports because blacks are better at it. So, black
Americans outran Europeans and everyone else. Black American boxers beat up Europeans and
Russians. Without Jews, American business, technology, and culture would have grown less. And
without blacks, there would have been no Jazz, Rock, and Rap. And US wouldn't have been
dominant in sports. If not for Joe Louis and Jesse Owens, the top boxers and runners of the
40s could well have been Europeans.
But for the Core Anglo/America(that of Anglo-American and Anglo-Europeans), Jews and
blacks were a mixed blessing. Jews did contribute tremendously to the US, but they also used
much of their capital and influence to subvert, shame, and degrade Anglo/America. Today,
Jewish globo-homo Power is waging race war on Whites.
And even though blacks brought back many medals and trophies for America, what does this
really mean? It means cucky-wuck white boys worshiping black muscle that kicks their white
ass and even kicks the butts of Europeans, the racial brethren of Anglo/Americans. Also,
black sports victory in the US led Europeans to also worship blacks, and so, Europeans also
imported a whole bunch of blacks to play for their nations. What does this all mean? It mean
black guys in Europe kicking white butt and turning white guys into cucky-wuck wussies who
surrender their jungle-feverish white whores to Negroids.
And together, Jews and blacks promote interracism where white guys are supposed to act
like guilt-ridden wussy-cucks while white women are infected with jungle fever for Negro
dongs and act like Ariana Grande who tanned her skin to near-blackness and imitates black
ho's with more butts than brains.
Today, despite cultural and moral decay of the US, there is still the land that produces
tons of food, natural resources, and etc. And where money is king, the US attracts smart
people from all over the world to try their luck in Hollywood, Las Vegas, Wall Street,
Silicon Valley, and etc. In some ways, the total hollowness of American culture is liberating
for many who don't want any restraints to their dreams.
Also, US controls the world currency, and it can keep printing money. US also benefits
from the fact that, no matter how corrupt and rotten it is, there are many nations that are
even more corrupt and rotten.
People tend to compare US with other empires like Roman, British, and French, but it
overlooks one important factor. US would be a great power WITHOUT an empire. Indeed, US
itself like an imperial nation in its own right. It has both head and body. In contrast, Rome
as a great power relied on ruling over vast non-Roman territory. Rome itself was a head
without a body. Same with the Brits and the French. Lose their foreign empires, and they were
no longer awesome powers. They could still be local great powers but not world powers.
So, when Rome lost its colonies, it was finished as a superpower. Worse, it got
conquered.
When the British lost its colonies, its days as great power was over too.
But even if US brings home all its military from abroad, it would still be a superpower.
And even if US cut off all trades with other nations, it could survive as a great power. The
only other nations with this capacity today are China, Russia, and Brazil. China still seems
to be rising. Russia is holding steady but has problems of corruption and laziness. Brazil
has too many blacks, and it will never rise.
Also, empires like Rome were vulnerable because its weaponry wasn't all that more advanced
that those of its enemies. It all came down to spear, sword, and arrows, something the
barbarians and others had as well. For Rome to remain on top, it had to be ultra-disciplined,
but it's difficult to maintain that level of militancy over time. People burn out eventually.
In contrast, the US has advanced weapons and can blow up any number of invaders or attackers.
Look what happened to Japan in WWII. So, most Americans can be slobs who never served in the
military but still feel safe.
And yet, there is the problem of non-white invasion facing both US and EU. Both US and EU
have the technological and military means to stop the invasion. But they don't. If anything,
the elites welcome the invasion, and even many ordinary folks support it? Why? Because the
command-center of the West has been infiltrated and re-programmed to reject race-ism. That's
all it took. It's like TERMINATOR 2. The robot that was originally programmed to fight humans
was reprogrammed to defend humans. Same machine but different code, thereby radically
different behavior.
At one time, US had been coded to be gloriously race-ist. But upon the re-coding by Jews
and Wasp 'progressives', the new Americanism was virulently anti-race-ist. Indeed, the worst
sin according to PC is for whites to side with other whites. Whites can now be 'good' only by
welcoming endless immigration in the name of Diversity. Whites can gain moral credit only by
supporting OTHER peoples.
This is, why, for the time being, whites must support Indian-Zionism(or Inzionism), the
idea that Indians are the original owners of the land(just like Jews were original owners of
Zion) and that the biggest historical 'sin' of America was 'genocide' of the Indians.
Inzionists must conflate immigration with imperialism with 'genocide'. To bring justice to
the Indians, all future immigration must be ended RIGHT NOW. And all good Americans must work
to restore Indian pride and numbers.
Now, if whites could be gloriously race-ist, they wouldn't have to resort to Inzionism.
But since PC says whites must serve others, whites should primarily get behind Indians and
make the case that, because Immigration-Imperialism led to 'genocide' of Indians, there must
be no more Immigration-invasion because America is really Indian land, which means that the
main moral obligation of whites is to restore Indian pride and numbers.
Anyway, on the matter of immigration, the general rule should be ALLOW IN PEOPLE WHO ARE
COMPARABLE TO YOUR PEOPLE IN NATURAL ABILITY. If you bring over lots of real dummies, they
will drag society down with ineptitude and stupidity. There will be a huge permanent
underclass.
But if you let in people who are considerably smarter than your people, they will take
over command centers and may work against your people. Sure, smart people will contribute to
society, but they may use their wealth and clout not for the host majority but
against them. Also, don't let in a race that is stronger than yours. Such race will
beat up your kids in school, streets, in sports, and take your womenfolk. Just look what
blacks are doing to whites. It's reducing white men to a bunch of pathetic cucks.
It is a good analysis which emphasises the momentum the USA has built up – which
will almost certainly mean continued global dominance into the second half of the 21st
century even while the Chinese economy becomes much larger. Short of a large scale nuclear
war (US-China or US-Russia) I don't see that changing. China cannot challenge the USA for
cultural, financial-system, or political-structure global dominance, does not wish to
challenge the USA for military dominance. At some point overwhelming Chinese economic power
will cause a flip, but without an existential war like WW2 that will likely take longer than
the 50 years it took the USA to replace Britain – and Britain never had the same
full-spectrum global dominance as the post-Cold War USA.
In terms of weakness and decline, the flip from an Anglo-Germanic-Celtic dominated nation
to a Jewish and "multicultural" dominated nation also occurred around the end of the Cold War
and the failure of GHW Bush to achieve re-election. This puts the US leadership class
misaligned with the 'grunts' the US needs for many aspects of its global dominance, military
especially, and a growing internal tension. The US judiciary's increasing hostility to the
founding-stock people is notable, along with of course the media and entertainment
industries, and now even the Silicon Valley corporations. But I think the
weakening/fracturing process is still at an early stage and I would be surprised to see
secession in mid century. It will take a major failure of the US empire's global hegemonic
strategy to see the nation 'flip' again, into outright rebellion against the ruling elites.
As I said, a disastrous war with Russia or China seems the likeliest trigger – I think
currently the elites are sufficiently aware of this danger to avoid it, but their own quality
is declining as they become more entrenched. A more speculative risk would be the USA taking
the 'wrong' side in a European civil war – bombing nationalists on behalf of the EU,
say, or of 'persecuted' Muslims – thus bringing internal US fractures to a head. I
think this is relatively unlikely since it would require (a) such a conflict to occur and (b)
the US leadership class to critically misunderstand their founding-stock subjects and their
ability to control the opinions of those subjects. Whereas an accidental war with Russia or
China is well within the current realm of reasonable contemplation.
In the absence of such a break-point, I can see the USA remaining both intact and globally
dominant through the end of the 21st century, even while China's economy becomes several
times larger in real terms.
And, who knows, Mormons in the asteroid belt, bringing the two thousand year Germanic
expansion wave out into the solar system and beyond.
The author may be right that 'American hegemony or exceptionalism' will be around for a
long while yet, but that status will not 'prove eternal'. Whatever else, that is true.
Nations rise and gain power. Then they must retain that power. And when they lose it they
seek to regain it.
As I suggested in a comment to your previous column: the USA is managed by a group of
tight-knit aces of power management.
If there is one thing the country will be exceptionally adept at, it will be what relates
with power (and propaganda).
Admittedly, one can wonder how much of the U.S. figure represents "real" wealth as
opposed to accounting gimicks, e.g. health insurance and whatnot. On the whole, I am
inclined to say it is real.
On the whole I can state that it is gimmick but that will require operating with apparatus
which is beyond the field of "expertise" of American "economists", granted with some notable
exceptions. I will omit here the issue of continental warfare and of American real military
history, but it was primarily lack of those which drove initial accumulation and creation of
the infrastructure. WW II was a great facilitator of growth of American prosperity.
Then again checking the growth of Russian power seemed imperative for the Brits
Oceania against Eurasia. The ocean master against the landmass master. This conflict is old
and deeply rooted.
Today, US island replaces UK island. Putin replaces French king LouisXIV, or emperor
Napoleon, or fuehrer Hitler. But the root of the conflict did not change.
No mystery at all Just scale of economy and a more advance form of colonization.
All wealth starts from natural resources plus labour. Everything in our daily life comes
from nature, food, clothes, furnitures, plastic boxes, TV, smartphones, cars come from soil,
forest, oil, mineral ore etc.
Old Europe went to foreign lands to exploit natural resources and labour.
America imported slaves and immigrants to be exploited.
China exploit our own existing population.
The rise of America before WW2 is no mystery, just the scale of economy. Check the world
powers of the past few centuries, Spain-> Britain-> Germany-> USA/Soviet Union->
China, each has a bigger population than the last. The trend is clear.
After WW2, the US established an improved and more effective form of colonization than the
old European one.
The major change is the means to control the colonies, it changed from brute force of
military to soft power of media/intelligence, to control both the masses and the elite. And
the exploit changed from real materials to financial.
This "capital + media" has worked so spectacularly well that countries around the world
fought to become US colony, willingly and proudly
Truly impressive aaccomplishment Perhaps America really is run by the Jews, the game is
much superior than the Anglo or other old Europe.
The uniqueness of Anglo-American culture is also evident in the very prestige of
Founding Fathers and of the Constitution. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the U.S.
is one of the only countries in the world with a genuine constitution in the ancient sense,
as most memorably expressed by Aristotle: not merely a dead text, a cold set of procedures,
but a Lawgiver's prescriptions for a way of life informed by a certain culture and ethos.
As Aristotle said: "a constitution is the way in which a city lives" (Politics 4.11,
1295a34).
The ruling class has wiped it's ass with the(not worth the hemp it was written on)
constitution a long, long time ago – the ink was barely dry.
Who would expect rulers to constrain themselves, by a document written by people that they
themselves would consider terrorists? Not a chance.
As for rights? What you have in that document are temporary privileges , that can be
taken away anytime, as they already have in the past – usually in the name of national
security; infact, the whole damn document can be nullified in the name of national Security,
and the stupid, dumb, fat, lazy people would go right along with it, because it's already
happened!
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President Trump has done the right thing with regard to America's troop
deployment in Syria. Trump ordered the 2,000 US troops based in Syria to get out and come home.
Neocons and the US war party are having
apoplexy even though there are some 50,000 US troops spread across the rest of the Mideast.
The US troops parked in the Syrian Desert
were doing next to nothing. Their avowed role was to fight the remnants of the ISIS movement and block any
advances by Iranian forces. As a unified fighting force, ISIS barely exists, if it ever did. Cobbled
together, armed and financed by the US, the Saudis and Gulf Emirates to overthrow Syria's regime, ISIS ran
out of control and became a menace to everyone.
In fact, what the US was really doing was
putting down a marker for a possible US future occupation of war-torn Syria that risked constant clashes
with Russian forces there.
We will breathe a big sigh of relief if
the US deployment actually goes ahead: it will remove a major risk of war with nuclear-armed Russia, whose
forces are in Syria at the invitation of the recognized government in Damascus. The US has no strategic
interest in Syria and no business at all being militarily involved there. Except perhaps that the war party
wants never-ending wars abroad for arms production and promotions.
Trump's abrupt pullout from Syria has
shocked and mortified Washington's war party and neocon fifth column. They were hoping reinforced US forces
would go on to attack Damascus and move against Iranian forces. It was amusing to watch the anguish of such
noted warlike chickenhawks as Sen. Lindsay Graham and the fanatical national security advisor John Bolton as
their hopes for a US war against Syria diminished. Israel was equally dismayed: its strategic plan has long
been to fragment Syria and gobble up the pieces.
The venerable imperial general and
defense secretary, Jim Mattis, couldn't take this de-escalation. He resigned. Marine General Mattis was one
of the few honorable and respected members of the Trump administration and a restraint on the president's
impulses. To his credit, he opposed the reintroduction of torture by US forces, a crime promoted by Trump,
Bolton and Chicago enforcer Mike Pompeo.
What really mattered was not a chunk of
the Syrian Desert. Matis's resignation may have been much more about Afghanistan, America's longest war. The
US has been defeated in Afghanistan, rightly known as the 'Graveyard of Empires.' Yet no one in Washington
can admit this defeat or order a retreat after wasting 17 years, a trillion dollars and thousands of
Americans killed or wounded. Least of all, Gen. Mattis, Bolton or Pompeo who bitterly opposed any peace deal
with the Taliban nationalist movement.
According to unconfirmed media reports,
the US has already thinned out its Afghan garrison of 14,000 plus soldiers. These soldiers' main function is
to guard the corrupt, drug-dealing Afghan puppet government in Kabul and fix Taliban forces so they can be
attacked by US airpower.
Taliban insists it won't begin serious
negotiations until all US and 8,000 foreign troops are withdrawn. In fact, Taliban, which has been quietly
talking to the US in Abu Dhabi, may agreed to a 50% western troops cut in order to begin peace talks.
ORDER IT NOW
The Afghan War has cost the US $1
trillion. Occupying parts of Iraq and Syria has cost a similar amount. Resistance against US rule continues
in both nations. Mattis and his fellow generals really like these wars, but civilian Trump does not. As a
candidate he vowed to end these 'stupid' wars. Let's hope he succeeds over the bitter objections of the
Republican war party, neocons, and military industrial complex.
Syria is an ugly little sideshow. By
contrast, Afghanistan is a dark blot on America's national honor. We watch with revulsion and dismay as the
US deploys B-52 and B-1 heavy bombers to flatten Afghan villages. We watch with disgust as the US coddles
the opium-dealing Afghan warlords and their Communist allies – all in the spurious name of 'democracy.'
If Trump wants to make America great, he
can start by ending the squalid Syrian misadventure and the butchery in Afghanistan.
We should give credit to president Trump for getting the US troops out of Syria and Afghanistan.
Mr. Trump
has always been consistent about the withdrawal of the US Forces from Afghanistan; back in 2011, in an
interview with Bill O'Reilly, Trump reiterated his total dismay and opposition to the waste of lives and
money in Afghanistan; he clearly mentioned that he would withdrawal the US Forces from Afghanistan
immediately, See the link:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/22/donald-trump-said-afghanistan-president-saying-now/
The same applies to Syria, America has no genuine strategy to remaining in Syria; staying in Syria would
be further destabilizing the region – fueling the Syrian civil war for the sole benefits of Israel and Saudi
Arabia whom had created the ISIS against the Iranian influence in the region.
President Trump deserves to get credit for being courageous and consistent about the US involvement in
the middle east; withdrawing from Syria and Afghanistan is the right strategy, too many lives have perished
and trillion of dollars have been wasted for nothing; let's put an end to this – thank you Mr. Trump for
doing the right thing !
Since
I last wrote about the bipartisan shrieking, hysterical reaction to Trump's planned
military withdrawal from Syria the other day, it hasn't gotten better, it's gotten worse. I'm
having a hard time even picking out individual bits of the collective freakout from the
political/media class to point at, because doing so would diminish the frenetic white noise of
the paranoid, conspiratorial, fearmongering establishment reaction to the possibility of a few
thousands troops being pulled back from a territory they were illegally occupying .
Endless war and military expansionism has become so normalized in establishment thought that
even a slight scale-down is treated as something abnormal and shocking. The talking heads of
the corporate state media had been almost entirely ignoring the buildup of US troops in Syria
and the operations they've been carrying out there, but as soon as the possibility of those
troops leaving emerged, all the alarm bells started ringing. Endless war was considered so
normal that nobody ever talked about it, then Trump tweeted he's bringing the troops home, and
now every armchair liberal in America who had no idea what a Kurd was until five minutes ago is
suddenly an expert on Erdoğan and the YPG. Lindsey Graham, who has never met an
unaccountable US military occupation he didn't like, is now suddenly cheerleading for
congressional oversight: not for sending troops into wars, but for pulling them out.
"I would urge my colleagues in the Senate and the House, call people from the
administration and explain this policy," Graham recently told
reporters on Capitol Hill. "This is the role of the Congress, to make administrations
explain their policy, not in a tweet, but before Congress answering questions."
"It is imperative Congress hold hearings on withdrawal decision in Syria --
and potentially Afghanistan -- to understand implications to our
national security," Graham tweeted today .
In an even marginally sane world, the fact that a nation's armed forces are engaged in daily
military violence would be cause for shock and alarm, and pulling those forces out of that
situation would be viewed as a return to normalcy. Instead we are seeing the exact opposite. In
an even marginally sane world, congressional oversight would be required to send the US
military to invade countries and commit acts of war, because that act, not withdrawing them, is
what's abnormal. Instead we are seeing the exact opposite.
A hypothetical space alien observing our civilization for the first time would conclude that
we are insane, and that hypothetical space alien would be absolutely correct. Have some Reese's
Pieces, hypothetical space alien.
It is absolutely bat shit crazy that we feel normal about the most powerful military force
in the history of civilization running around the world invading and occupying and bombing and
killing, yet are made to feel weird about the possibility of any part of that ending . It is
absolutely bat shit crazy that endless war is normalized while the possibility of peace and
respecting national sovereignty to any extent is aggressively abnormalized. In a sane world the
exact opposite would be true, but in our world this self-evident fact has been obscured. In a
sane world anyone who tried to convince you that war is normal would be rejected and shunned,
but in our world those people make six million dollars a year reading from a teleprompter on
MSNBC.
How did this happen to us? How did we get so crazy and confused?
I sometimes hear the analogy of sleepwalking used; people are sleepwalking through life, so
they believe the things the TV tells them to believe, and this turns them into a bunch of
mindless zombies marching to the beat of CIA/CNN narratives and consenting to unlimited
military bloodbaths around the world. I don't think this is necessarily a useful way of
thinking about our situation and our fellow citizens. I think a much more useful way of looking
at our plight is to retrace our steps and think about how everyone got to where they're at as
individuals.
We come into this world screaming and clueless, and it doesn't generally get much better
from there. We look around and we see a bunch of grownups moving confidently around us, and
they sure look like they know what's going on. So we listen real attentively to what they're
telling us about our world and how it works, not realizing that they're just repeating the same
things grownups told them when they were little, and not realizing that if any of those
grownups were really honest with themselves they're just moving learned concepts around inside
a headspace that's just as clueless about life's big questions as the day it was born.
And that's just early childhood. Once you move out of that and start learning about
politics, philosophy, religion etc as you get bigger, you run into a whole bunch of clever
faces who've figured out how to use your cluelessness about life to their advantage. You
stumble toward adulthood without knowing what's going on, and then confident-sounding people
show up and say "Oh hey I know what's going on. Follow me." And before you know it you're
donating ten percent of your income to some church, addicted to drugs, in an abusive
relationship, building your life around ideas from old books which were promoted by dead kings
to the advantage of the powerful, or getting your information about the world from Fox
News.
For most people life is like stumbling around in a dark room you have no idea how you got
into, without even knowing what you're looking for. Then as you're reaching around in the
darkness your hand is grasped by someone else's hand, and it says in a confident-sounding
voice, "I know where to go. Come with me." The owner of the other hand doesn't know any more
about the room than you do really, they just know how to feign confidence. And it just so
happens that most of those hands in the darkness are actually leading you in the service of the
powerful.
That's all mainstream narratives are: hands reaching out in the darkness of a confusing
world, speaking in confident-sounding voices and guiding you in a direction which benefits the
powerful. The largest voices belong to the rich and the powerful, which means those are the
hands you're most likely to encounter when stumbling around in the darkness. You go to school
which is designed to indoctrinate you into mainstream narratives, you consume media which is
designed to do the same, and most people find themselves led from hand to hand in this way all
the way to the grave.
That's really all everyone's doing here, reaching out in the darkness of a confusing world
and trying to find our way to the truth. It's messy as hell and there are so many
confident-sounding voices calling out to us giving us false directions about where to go, and
lots of people get lost to the grabbing hands of power-serving narratives. But the more of us
who learn to see through the dominant narratives and discover the underlying truths, the more
hands there are to guide others away from the interests of the powerful and toward a sane
society. A society in which people abhor war and embrace peace, in which people collaborate
with each other and their environment, in which people overcome the challenges facing our
species and create a beautiful world together.
People aren't sleepwalking, they are being duped . Duped into insanity in a confusing,
abrasive world where it's hard enough just to get your legs underneath you and figure out which
way's up, let alone come to a conscious truth-based understanding of what's really going on in
the world. But the people doing the duping are having a hard time holding onto everyone's hand,
and
their grip is slipping . We'll find our way out of this dark room yet.
Has anyone noticed that Rachel Maddow with her sooo patronizing, sooo objectionally smug
manner, implying that anyone who likes Trump is laughably pathetic, well – she keeps on
doing this and oddly (and effectively) generates a lot of support for Trump and what he's
doing. Her absolutely foul manner is perfectly crafted to turn folks against her and what she
espouses. You go girl!
It seems to me that, objectively, there are about three basic reasons for Endless War in
the Middle East.
One, to insure the security of the Israeli state. Two, to insure the free flow of cheap ME
petroleum to our 'trading partners' around the world who burn it to make cheap **** and ship
it across sealanes kept open by the U.S. Navy to Walmart and Amazon for resale (on credit!)
to the sheeple. Three, to finance the multi-billion dollar arms-building American MIC.
Purposes One, Two and Three mutually reinforce each other. You don't have to agree with all
Purposes as long as you agree with one of them. Proponents of Purpose One find allies among
the proponents of Purposes Two and Three. And vice versa. And, in a 'virtuous' (or is it
vicious?) circle, all at the top get very rich. The ultra-wealthy supporters of Israel, the
globalists, the corporatists, the militarists and their financiers and media mouthpieces.
Essentially all the new money in the Billionaire Class.
And who is opposed to this little arrangement? A few libertarians, and realists, and some
historians? A few folks on 'conservative' (but not neocon) websites? A few deplorables who
are actually thinking about their own best interests? A few people morally offended by the
notion of living in an 'exceptional' country which sponsors deadly perpetual war? A few
people who think its crazy to go half way around the world to kill people engaged in a
conflict which is critical to their daily lives but theoretical to us? A few men and women
who have seen combat and know the bloody truth? A few people who would prefer to re-invest in
the United States and repair the damage done to this country over the last forty years?
When you think about it the deck is definitely stacked in favor of Endless War. And what
Trump did on Thursday is again rather extraordinary.
With an ever faster News cycle, People forget what happened in the Past bringing this World
to the Present.
Historical Facts Americans don't take into consideration.
1. Within weeks of 9/11, the US came out with WAR PLANS to change the governments of Iraq,
Libya, Syria and at THE END, Iran.
2. Republican Bush illegally invaded Iraq in 2003.
3. ISIS did not exist until the illegal US invasion of Iraq
4. Democrat Obama did Libya and started the Syrian regime phase of the 2001 US WAR PLAN for
the Middle East in 2011.
5. In line with the 2001 US WAR PLAN to change the Assad government, ISIS moved from Iraq to
Syria as proxy regime change fighters.
6. US MSM report the US illegally started bombing ISIS in Syria, and with all the US smart
bombs, they missed, and ISIS was getting stronger, on the verge of bringing down the Assad
regime after 4 years of Death and Destruction following the 2001 US WAR PLAN for Syria.
7. Russia and Iran are legally asked to come to the aid of their Middle East Ally, like
NATO's Article 5, and enter the Syrian WORLD WAR in 2015.
8. Russia starts bombing ISIS and doesn't miss. ISIS is finally degraded in Syria, putting a
stop to the 2001 US WAR PLAN for regime change.
9. The US has made regime change as American as Apple pie and refuses to look as the
terrorist failed States it begat implementing it's 2001 WAR PLAN. It does increase sales for
the Military-Industrial Complex.
10. This MATERIAL WORLD did not notice the Spiritual Sign of the Times, when ISIS destroyed
the Islamic Mosque in Nineveh, Iraq containing the tomb of Jonah in the Whale fame recorded
in the Jewish-Christian Bible some 2900 years ago. He was sent to that "World City Nineveh"
to warn them of impending destruction if they continue on the path they're on. He tried to
get away from being a buzzkill.
10. As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be
three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:39-41
I despise Trump, but if he's managed to stumble on doing something sensible, and actually
does it (never a certainty with the casino swindler) -- great! There's no sane reason for
us to muck about in Syria. However it comes about, we should welcome a withdrawal there. If
the move gives Trump some of the approval that he plainly craves, maybe he'll repeat the
performance and end our purposeless wallow in Afghanistan.
It doesn't say anything good about the nominal opposition party, the Dems, that half or
more of them -- and apparently *all* of their dinosaur "leadership" -- can't stifle the
kneejerking and let him do it. Of course many of them are "troubled" because their Israeli
& Saudi owners, er, "donors" expect it. But some of them seem to have developed a sudden
deep attachment to "our mission in Syria" for no better reason than, Trump is for it,
therefore I must shout against it .
And then, of course, there's the Russia hysteria. Oh yeah, what a huge win for Moscow if
it scores the "prize" of occupying Syria! If that's Putin's idea of a big score, how
exactly does it harm any American to let him have it?
I wonder if the Democratic Party will ever be capable of doing anything other than
snatching defeat from the jaws of victory?
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The aim of classical economics was to tax unearned income, not wages and profits. The
tax burden was to fall on the landlord class first and foremost, then on monopolists and
bankers. The result was to be a circular flow in which taxes would be paid mainly out of rent
and other unearned income. The government would spend this revenue on infrastructure, schools
and other productive investment to help make the economy more competitive. Socialism was seen
as a program to create a more efficient capitalist economy along these lines.
I'm Bonnie Faulkner. Today on Guns and Butter, Dr. Michael Hudson. Today's show: The
Vocabulary of Economic Deception. Dr. Hudson is a financial economist and historian. He is
President of the Institute for the Study of Long-Term Economic Trends, a Wall Street financial
analyst and distinguished Research Professor of Economics at the University of Missouri, Kansas
City. His 1972 book Super-Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire is a
critique of how the United States exploited foreign economies through the IMF and World Bank.
His latest books are, Killing the Host: How Financial Parasites and Debt Destroy the Global
Economy and J Is for Junk Economics – A Guide to Reality in an Age of
Deception . Today we discuss J is for Junk Economics , an A to Z guide that
describes how the world economy really works, and who the winners and losers really are. We
cover contemporary terms that are misleading or poorly understood, as well as many important
concepts that have been abandoned – many on purpose – from the long history of
political economy.
BONNIE FAULKNER: Dr. Michael Hudson, welcome to Guns and Butter again.
MICHAEL HUDSON: It's good to be back, Bonnie.
BONNIE FAULKNER: You write that your recent book, J Is for Junk Economics , a
dictionary and accompanying essays,was drafted more than a decade ago for a book to have been
entitled The Fictitious Economy . You tried several times without success to find a
publisher. Why wouldn't publishers at the time take on your book?
MICHAEL HUDSON: Most publishers like to commission books that are like the last one that
sold well. Ten years ago, people wanted to read about how the economy was doing just fine. I
was called Dr. Doom, which did very well for me in the 1970s when I was talking about the
economy running into debt. But they wanted upbeat books. If I were to talk about how the
economy is polarizing and getting poorer, they wanted me to explain how readers could make a
million dollars off people getting more strapped as the economy polarizes. I didn't want to
write a book about how to get rich by riding the neoliberal wave dismantling of the economy. I
wanted to create an alternative.
If I wanted to ride the wave of getting rich by taking on more debt, I would have stayed on
Wall Street. I wanted to explain how the way in which the economy seemed to be getting richer
was actually impoverishing it. We are in a new Gilded Age masked by a vocabulary used by the
media via television and papers like The New York Times that are euphemizing what was
happening.
A euphemism is a rhetorical trick to make a bad phenomenon look good. If a landlord gets
rich by gentrifying a neighborhood by exploiting tenants and forcing them out, that's called
wealth creation if property values and rents rise. If you can distract people to celebrate
wealth and splendor at the top of the economic pyramid, people will be less focused on how the
economy is functioning for the bottom 99%.
BONNIE FAULKNER: Can you describe the format of J Is for Junk Economics – A Guide
to Reality in an Age of Deception as an A-to-Z dictionary with additional essays? It seems
to me that this format makes a good reference book that can be picked up and read at any
point.
MICHAEL HUDSON: That's what I intended. I wrote it as a companion volume to my outline of
economic theory, Killing the Host , which was about how the financial sector has taken
over the economy in a parasitic way. I saw the vocabulary problem and also how to solve it: If
people have a clear set of economic concepts, basically those of classical economics –
value, price and rent – the words almost automatically organize themselves into a
worldview. A realistic vocabulary and understanding of what words mean will enable its users to
put them together to form an inter-connected system.
I wanted to show how junk economics uses euphemisms and what Orwell called Doublethink to
confuse people about how the economy works. I also wanted to show that what's called think
tanks are really lobbying institutions to do the same thing that advertisers for toothpaste
companies and consumer product companies do: They try to portray their product – in this
case, neoliberal economics, dismantling protection of the environment, dismantling consumer
protection and stopping of prosecution of financial fraud – as "wealth creation" instead
of impoverishment and austerity for the economy at large. So basically, my book reviews the
economic vocabulary and language people use to perceive reality.
When I was in college sixty years ago, they were still teaching the linguistic ideas of
Benjamin Lee Whorf. His idea was that language affects how people perceive reality. Different
cultures and linguistic groups have different modes of expression. I found that if I was going
to a concert and speaking German, I would be saying something substantially different than if I
were speaking English.
Viewing the economic vocabulary as propaganda, I saw that we can understand how the words
you hear as largely propaganda words. They've changed the meaning to the opposite of what the
classical economists meant. But if you untangle the reversal of meaning and juxtapose a more
functional vocabulary you can better understand what's actually happening.
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BONNIE FAULKNER: You write that "the terms rentier and usury that played so central
a role in past centuries now sound anachronistic and have been replaced with more positive
Orwellian doublethink," which is what you've begun to explain. In fact, your book J is for
Junk – A Guide to Reality in an Age of Deception is all about the depredation of
vocabulary to hide reality, particularly the state of the economy. Just as history is written
by the victors, you point out that economic vocabulary is defined by today's victors, the
rentier financial class. How is this deception accomplished?
MICHAEL HUDSON: It's been accomplished in a number of ways. The first and most brutal way
was simply to stop teaching the history of economic thought. When I went to school 60 years
ago, every graduate economics student had to study the history of economic thought. You'd get
Adam Smith, Ricardo and John Stuart Mill, Marx and Veblen. Their analysis had a common
denominator: a focus on unearned income, which they called rent. Classical economics
distinguished between productive and unproductive activity, and hence between wealth and
overhead. The traditional landlord class inherited its wealth from ancestors who conquered the
land by military force. These hereditary landlords extract rent, but don't do anything to
create a product. They don't produce output. The same is true of other recipients of rent.
Accordingly, the word used through the 19 th century was rentier . It's a
French word. In French, a rente was income from a government bond. A rentier
was a coupon clipper, and the rent was interest. Today in German, a Rentner is a
retiree receiving pension income. The common denominator is a regular payment stipulated in
advance, as distinct from industrial profit.
The classical economists had in common a description of rent and interest as something that
a truly free market would get rid of. From Adam Smith and John Stuart Mill down to Marx and the
socialists, a free market was one that was free of a parasitic overclass that got income
without doing work. They got money by purely exploitative means, by charging rent that doesn't
really have to be paid; by charging interest; by charging monopoly rent for basic
infrastructure services and public utilities that a well-organized government should provide
freely to people instead of letting monopolists put up toll booths on roads and for technology
and patent rights simply to extract wealth. The focus of economics until World War I was the
contrast between production and extraction.
An economic fight ensued and the parasites won. The first thing rentiers –
the financial class and monopolists, a.k.a. the 1% – did was to say, "We've got to stop
teaching the history of economic thought so that people don't even have a memory that there is
any such a thing as economic rent as unearned income or the various policies proposed to
minimize it. We have to take the slogan of the socialist reformers – a free market
– and redefine it as a free market is one free from government – that is,
from "socialism" – not free from landlords, bankers and monopolists." They turned the
vocabulary upside down to mean the opposite. But in order to promote this deceptive vocabulary
they had to erase all memory of the fact that these words originally meant the opposite.
BONNIE FAULKNER: How has economic history been rewritten by redefining the meaning of words?
What is an example of this? For instance, what does the word "reform" mean now as opposed to
what reform used to mean?
MICHAEL HUDSON: Reform used to mean something social democratic. It meant getting rid of
special privileges, getting rid of monopolies and protecting labor and consumers. It meant
controlling the prices that monopolies could charge, and regulating the economy to prevent
fraud or exploitation – and most of all, to prevent unearned income or tax it away.
In today's neoliberal vocabulary, "reform" means getting rid of socialism. Reform
means stripping away protection or labor and even of industry. It means deregulating the
economy, getting rid of any kind of price controls, consumer protection or environmental
protection. It means creating a lawless economy where the 1% are in control, without public
checks and balances. So reform today means getting rid of all of the reforms that were promoted
in the 19 th and early-20 th century. The Nobel Economics Prize reflects
this neoliberal (that is, faux-liberal) travesty of "free markets."
BONNIE FAULKNER: What were the real reforms of the progressive era?
MICHAEL HUDSON: To begin with, you had unions to protect labor. You had limitations on the
workweek and the workday, how much work people had to do to earn a living wage. There were
safety protections. There was protection of the quality of food, and of consumer safety to
prevent dangerous products. There was anti-trust regulation to prevent price gouging by
monopolies. The New Deal took basic monopolies of public service such as roads and
communications systems out of the hands of monopolists and make them public. Instead of using a
road or the phone system to exploit users by charging whatever the market would bear, basic
needs were provided at the lowest possible costs, or even freely in the case of schools, so
that the economy would have a low cost of living and hence a low business overhead.
The guiding idea of reform was to get rid of socially unnecessary income. If landlords were
going to charge rent for properties that they did nothing to improve, but merely raise the
rents whenever cities built more transportation or more parks or better schools, this rent
would be taxed away.
The income tax was a basic reform back in 1913. Only 1% of America's population had to pay
the tax. Most were tax-free, because the aim was to tax the rentiers who lived off
their bond or stock holdings, real estate or monopolies. The solution was simply to tax the
wealthiest 1% or 2% instead of labor or industry, that is, the companies that actually produced
something. This tax philosophy helped make America the most productive, lowest-cost and
competitive yet also the most equal economy in the world at that time.
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This focus on real industry has gradually been undermined. Today, if you're a real estate
speculator, monopolist, bankster or financial fraudster, your idea of reform is to get rid of
laws that protect consumers, tenants, homebuyers and the public at large. You campaign for
"consumer choice," as if protection is "interference" with the choice to be poisoned, cheated
or otherwise exploited. You deregulate laws designed to protect the atmosphere, free air and
water. If you're a coal or oil company, your idea of reform is to get rid of the Clean Air Act,
as the Trump administration has been doing.
The counterpart to junk science is junk economics. It is a lobbying effort to defend the
idea of a world without any laws or regulations against the wealthy, only against the debtors
and the poor, only against consumers for the "theft" of downloading music or stealing
somebody's patented songs or drug monopoly privilege. This turns inside out the classical
philosophy of fairness.
BONNIE FAULKNER: According to 19 th -century classical economists, what is
fictitious capital, and why is this distinction no longer being made by economists?
MICHAEL HUDSON: That's a wonderful question. Today the term "fictitious capital" is usually
associated with Marx, but it was used by many people in the 19 th century, even by
right-wing libertarians such as Henry George.
Fictitious capital referred to purely extractive claims for income, as distinct from profits
and wages earned from tangible means of production. Real capital referred to factories,
machinery and tools, things that were used to produce output, as well as education, research
and public infrastructure. But an ownership privilege like a title to land and other real
estate, a patent or the monopoly privilege to charge whatever the market will bear for a
restricted patent, without reference to actual production costs, does not add anything to
production. It is purely extractive, yielding economic rent, not profits on real capital
investment.
BONNIE FAULKNER: You say that by the late-19 th century, "reform movements were
gaining the upper hand, that nearly everyone saw industrial capitalism evolving into what was
widely called socialism." How would you describe the socialism that classical economists like
Mill or Marx envisioned?
MICHAEL HUDSON: They all called themselves socialists. There were many kinds of socialism in
the late 19 th century. Christians promoted Christian socialism, and anarchists
promoted an individualistic socialism. Mill was called a Ricardian socialist. The common
denominator among socialists was their recognition that the industrial capitalism of their day
was a transitory stage burdened by the remnants of feudalism, headed by the landlord class
whose hereditary rule was a legacy of the medieval military invasions of England, France,
Germany and the rest of Europe. This was the class that controlled the upper house of
government, e.g ., Britain's Lordships. For socialists, the guiding idea was to run
factories and operate land and provide public services for the economy at large to grow instead
of imposing austerity and letting the rentier classes exploit the rest of the economy
and concentrate income, political control and tax policy in their own hands.
Until World War I, socialism was popular because most people saw industrial capitalism as
evolving. Politics was in motion. The term "capitalism," by the way, was coined by Werner
Sombart, not Marx. But classical political economy culminated in Marx. He looked at society's
broad laws of motion to see where they were leading.
The socialist idea was not only that of Marx but also of American business school professors
like Simon Patten of the WhartonSchool. He said that the kind of economy that would dominate
the world's future was one that was the most efficient in preventing monopoly and preventing or
taxing away absentee land rent so that almost all income would be paid as wages and profits,
not rent or interest or monopoly rents.
The business classes in the United States, Germany and even in England were in favor of
reform – that is, anti-rentier reform. They recognized that only a strong government
would have the political power to tax away or regulate parasitic economic rent by the
wealthiest classes at that time, in the late 19 th and early 20 th
century. This economic and political cleanup of the rentiers stemmed very largely from
the ideological battle that occurred in England after the Napoleonic Wars were over in 1815.
Ricardo, representing the banking class, argued against Reverend Malthus, the population
theorist who also was a spokesman for the landlord class. Malthus urged agricultural
protectionism for landlords, so that they would get more and more rent from their land as grain
prices were kept high. Ricardo argued that high food prices to support rents for the
agricultural landlords would mean high labor costs for industrial employers. And if you have
high labor costs then England cannot be the industrial workshop of the world. In order for
England to become the industrial supreme power, it needed to overcome the power of its landlord
class. Instead of protecting it, England decided to protect its industrial capital by repealing
its protectionist Corn Laws in 1846. (I describe its strategy in my history of theories of
Trade, Development and Foreign Debt .)
At that time England's banking class was still a carryover from Europe's Medieval period.
Christianity had banned the charging of interest, so banks were able to make their money by
combining their loans with a foreign exchange charge, called agio. Banks even
Ricardo's day in the early 19 th century made most of their money by financing
foreign trade and charging foreign exchange fees. If your listeners they have ever tried to
change money at the airport, they will know what a big rake-off the change booths take.
Later in the 19 th century, bankers began to shift their lending away from
international trade financing to real estate as home ownership became democratized. Home owners
became their own landlords – but on mortgage credit.
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Today we're no longer in the situation that existed in England 200 years ago. Almost
two-thirds of the American families own their homes. In Scandinavia and much of Europe, 80% are
homeowners. They don't pay rent to landlords. Instead, they pay their income as interest to the
mortgage lenders. That's because hardly anyone has enough money to buy a
few-hundred-thousand-dollar home with the cash in their pocket. They have to borrow the money.
The income that used to be paid as rent to a landlord is now paid as interest to the mortgage
banker. So you have a similar kind of exploitation today that you had two centuries ago, with
the major difference that the banking and financial class has replaced the landlord class.
Already by the late-19 th century, socialists were advocating that money and
credit don't have to take the form of gold and silver. Governments can create their own money.
That's what the United States did in the Civil War with its greenbacks. It simply printed the
money – and gave it value by making it acceptable for payment of taxes. In addition to
the doctrine that land and basic infrastructure should be owned by the public sector –
that is, by governments – banking was seen as a public utility. Credit was to be created
for productive purposes, not for rent-extracting activities or financial speculation. Land
would be fully taxed so that instead of labor or even most industry paying an income tax,
rentiers would pay tax on wealth that took the form of rent-extracting privileges.
The aim of classical economics was to tax unearned income, not wages and profits. The tax
burden was to fall on the landlord class first and foremost, then on monopolists and bankers.
The result was to bea circular flow in which taxes would be paid mainly out of rent and other
unearned income, and the government would spend this revenue on infrastructure, schools and
other productive investment to help make the economy more competitive. Socialism was seen as a
program to create a more efficient capitalist economy along these lines, until the word was
hijacked by the Russian Revolution after World War I. The Soviet Union became a travesty of
Marxism and the word socialism.
BONNIE FAULKNER: You write that: "Today's anti-classical vocabulary redefines free markets
as ones that are free for rent extractors and that rent and interest reflect their
recipients' contribution to wealth, not their privileges to extract economic rent
from the economy." How do you differentiate between productive and extractive sectors,
and how is it that the extractive sectors, essentially Finance, Insurance and Real Estate
(FIRE), actually burden the economy?
MICHAEL HUDSON: If you're a real estate owner, you want lower property taxes so that as the
economy grows and people are able to pay more rent, or when a land site in a neighborhood
becomes more valuable because the government builds a new subway – like New York City's
Second Avenue line – real estate prices rise to reflect the property's higher income that
is not taxed.
New York landlords all along the subway line raised rents. That meant that their real estate
had a "capital" gain reflecting the higher rent roll. Individual owners fortunate enough to own
a condo or a townhouse near the stations became more wealthy – while new renters or
buyers had to pay much more than before. None of this price rise created more living space or
other output (although today's post-classical GDP figures pretend that it did!). It simply
meant that instead of recapturing the $10 billion the government spent on this subway extension
by taxing the increased land valuations all along the subway route, New York's income and real
estate taxes have been raised for everybody, to pay interest on the bonds issued to finance the
subway's construction. So the city's cost of living and doing business rises – while the
Upper East Side landlords have received a free lunch.
Creating that kind of real estate "fictitious wealth" is a capitalization of unearned income
– unearned because the Upper East Side landlords didn't do anything themselves to
increase the value of their property. The City raised rental values by making the sites more
desirable when it built the subway extension.
The same logic applies to insurance. When President Obama passed the basically Republican
Obamacare law advocated by the pharmaceutical and health management sectors, the cost of
medical care went way up in the United States. It was organized so as to be a giveaway to the
healthcare and pharmaceutical monopolies.
None of this increased payment for medical care increases its quality. In fact, the more
that's paid for medical care, the more the service declines, because it is paid to health
insurance companies that try to legally fight against consumers. The effect is predatory, not
productive.
Finally, you have the financial part of the FIRE sector. Finance has accounted for almost
all of the growth in U.S. GDP in the ten years since the Lehman Brothers crisis and the Obama
bailout in 2008. The biggest banks at that time were insolvent as a result of bad loans and
outright financial fraud. But the government created $4.3 trillion of reserves to bail out
Citigroup, Wells Fargo and Bank of America, with Goldman Sachs thrown in, despite the fact that
their fraudulent junk mortgage loans were predatory, not productive credit that actually
increased wealth in the form of productive power. There's a growing understanding that the
financial sector has become so dysfunctional that it is a deadweight on the economy, burdening
it with increasing debt charges –student loans are an example – instead of actually
helping the economy grow.
BONNIE FAULKNER: So just to reiterate, what is the classical distinction between earned and
unearned income?
MICHAEL HUDSON: This distinction is based on classical value and price theory. Price is what
people have to pay. The margin of price over and above real cost value is called economic rent.
A product's value is its actual, necessary costs of production: the cost of labor, raw
materials and machinery, and other elements of what it costs to tangibly produce it. Rent and
financial charges are the product of special privileges that have been privatized and now
financialized.
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Classical value theory isolated this economic rent as unearned income. It was the aim of
society either to prevent it from occurring in the first place, by anti-monopoly regulation or
by public land ownership, or to tax it away in cases where you can't help it going up. For
instance, it's natural for neighborhoods to become more valuable and high-priced over time as
the economy gets richer. But it doesn't cost more to construct buildings there, and rents keep
going up and up and up on buildings that were put up 100 years ago. This increased rent does
not reflect any new cost of production. It's a free lunch.
Neoliberals, most notoriously the University of Chicago's Milton Friedman at, kept insisting
that "There's no such thing as a free lunch." But that's exactly what most of the wealth and
income of the richest 1% is. It's the result of running the economy primarily to siphon off a
rentier free lunch. Of course, its recipients try to distract public attention from
this face and tell national income and Gross Domestic Product statisticians to pretend that
they actually earn their income wealth, not merely transfer income from the rest of the economy
into their hands as creditors, monopolists and landlords. The leading Wall Street firm Goldman
Sachs said so notoriously a few years ago that "Our partners are the most productive in the
country because look at how much we're paid." But they don't really earn their wealth
in the classical sense of earning by performing a productive economic service. The economy
would get along much better without Goldman Sachs and indeed the banking and financial system
or the health insurance system being run the way they are, and without real estate the being
untaxed in the way that it is.
BONNIE FAULKNER: I noticed that you used the term "rent" for unearned income. Is rent the
same as profit, or not?
MICHAEL HUDSON: It's not at all the same. Profit is earned by investing in a means of
production to make useful goods and services. Classical economists viewed profit as an element
of cost if you're going to have a privately owned economy – and most socialists have
accepted private ownership, although in a system regulated so as to benefit society as a whole.
If you make a profit by a productive act acting within this system, you've earned it by being
productive.
Economic rent is different. It is not earned by actively building means of production,
conducting research or development. It's passive income. When pharmaceutical companies earn
rent, it's simply for charging much more for the drugs they sell than it actually costs to
produce them. This is especially the case when the government has borne the research and
development cost of the drugs and simply assigns the rent-yielding patent privilege to the
pharmaceutical companies. So rent is something over and above the profit necessary to induce
the activity that these companies actually perform. Profits are why investors produce more.
Rent is not necessary. If you got rid of it, you wouldn't discourage production, because it's
purely an overhead charge, whereas profits are a production charge in a capitalist economy.
BONNIE FAULKNER: Well, thank you for that distinction between rent and profit. That's a very
important thing to understand.
MICHAEL HUDSON: I describe it more clearly in my book, which includes the appropriate
classical quotations.
BONNIE FAULKNER: You point out that interest and rent are reported as "earnings," as if
bankers and landlords produce gross domestic product (GDP) in the form of credit and ownership
services. How do you think interest and rent should be reported?
MICHAEL HUDSON: They should be classified interest and rent. But the rentier
classes have taken over the National Income and Product Accounts (NIPA) to depict their takings
as actual production of a service, not as overhead or a transfer payment, that is, not as
parasitic extraction of other peoples' earnings.
For instance, suppose you have a credit card and you miss a payment, or miss a payment on a
student loan, electric bill or your rent. The credit card company will use this as an excuse to
raise your interest charge from 11% to 29%. The national income account treat this rise to 29%
as providing a "financial service." The so-called service is simply charging a penalty rate.
The pretense is that everything that a bank charges – higher interest or penalties
– is by definition providing a service, not simply extracting money from cardholders,
transferring income from them to itself.
Classical economists would have subtracted this financial rake-off from output, counting it
as overhead. After all, it simply adds to the cost of living and doing business. Instead, the
most recent statisticians have added this financial income to the Gross National
Product instead of subtracting it, as the classical economists would have done – or
simply not counted it, as was the case a generation ago.
Most reporters and the financial press don't get into the nitty-gritty of these national
accounts, so they don't realize how lobbyists have intervened in recent years to turn them into
propaganda flattering bankers and property owners. Today's "reformed" GDP format pretends that
the economy has been going up since 2008. A more realistic description would show that it is
shrinking for 95 percent of the population, being eaten away by the wealthiest 5% extracting
more rentier income and imposing austerity.
If you look at the national balance sheet of assets and liabilities, the economy is becoming
more debt-ridden. As student debt and mortgage debt go up, and penalty fees, arrears and
defaults are rising. The long rise in home ownership rates is being reversed, and rents are
rising, while people also have to pay more for medical care and other basic needs. Academic
economists depict this as "consumer choice" or "demand," as if it is all a voluntary choice of
"the market." The GDP accounting format has been modified to make it appear that the economy is
getting richer. This statistical sleight-of-hand is achieved by counting the takings of the
rentier 1% as a product, not a cost borne by the economy at large. What really should
be shown is a loss – land and monopoly rent, interest and penalties is in fact so large a
"product" that the economy seems to be growing. But most of that growth is unreal.
BONNIE FAULKNER: How does government fiscal policy, taxation and expenditure influence the
economy?
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MICHAEL HUDSON: That's what Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) is all about. When governments run
a budget deficit, they pump money into the economy. For Keynesians the money goes into the real
economy in ways that employ labor. For neoliberals, quantitative easing is spent directly into
the financial sector, and is used to finance the purchase of real estate, stocks and bonds,
supporting the valuation of wealth owned mainly by the One Percent. The effect is to make
housing more expensive, and also the price of buying a retirement income. Having to take on
larger mortgage debt to buy a house and spend less each month in order to save for one's
pension is not really "wealth creation," unless your perspective is that of the One Percent
increasing its power over the 99%.
At least the United States is able to run deficits and avoid the kind of unemployment and
austerity that Europe is imposing on itself and especially on Greece and Italy. I think in one
of our talks on this show explained the problem that Europe is suffering. Under the
constitution of the Eurozone, its member countries are not allowed to run a budget deficit of
more than 3%. Most actually aim at extracting a surplus from the economy (as distinct from
producing a surplus for the economy). That means that the government doesn't spend
money into the economy. People and businesses are obliged to get their money from the banks.
That requires them to pay more interest. All Europe is on the road to looking like
Greece– debt-strapped economies that are kept artificially alive by the government
creating reserves to give to the banks and bail out bond markets, not spending into economies
to help them recover.
The ability to create debt by writing a bank loan that creates a deposit is a legal
privilege. There's no reason why governments cannot do this themselves. Instead of borrowing
from private creditors to finance their budget deficits, governments can create their own money
– without burdening budgets with interest charges. Credit creation has little cost of
production, and therefore does not require interest charges to cover this cost. The interest is
a form of monopoly rent to privatized privilege.
Classical economists saw the proper role of government as being to create social
infrastructure and upgrade living standards and productivity for their labor force. Governments
should build roads to minimize the cost of transportation, not private companies creating toll
roads to maximize the cost by building in financial charges, real estate and management charges
to what users have to pay. Government should be in charge of providing public health insurance,
not private companies that charge extortionate prices and whatever the market will bear for
their drugs. It's the government that should run prisons, not private companies that use
prisoners as cheap labor to make a profit and advocate that more people get arrested so to make
more of a profit from their incarceration.
The great question is, what is the government going to spend money on, and how can it spend
money into the economy in a way that helps growth? Imagine if this trillion dollars a year
that's spent on arms and military – in California and the districts of the key
congressmen on the budget committee – were spent on building roads, schools,
transportation and subsidizing medical care. The country could become a utopia. Instead, the
rentier classes have hijacked the government, taking over its money creation and
taxing power to spend on themselves, not to help the economy at large produce more or raise
living standards. Special interests have captured the regulatory agencies to make them serve
rent extractors, not protect the economy from them.
BONNIE FAULKNER: Interest is tax-deductible, whereas profit is taxable. Does the tax
deductibility of interest have a major impact on the economy?
MICHAEL HUDSON: Yes, because tax deductibility encourages companies to raise money by going
into debt. This tax deductibility of interest catalyzed the corporate raiding movement of the
1980s. It was based on debt leveraging.
Suppose a company makes $100 million a year in profit and pays this out to its stockholders
as dividends. In the 1980s this profit was taxed at about 50%, so you could only pay $50
million to the stockholders. Then as today, they were the wealthiest layer of the population.
Drexel Burnham and other Wall Street firms sought out corporate raiders as clients and offered
to lend them enough money to buy companies out, by buying out their stockholders. Stocks were
replaced by bonds. That enabled companies to pay out twice as much income as interest than they
had been paying as dividends. When they bought out target companies with debt, a company could
pay all $100 million of its income as interest instead of only $50 million as dividends on
stock.
So the wealthiest classes in the United States and other countries decided that they could
get more from own bonds than stocks anymore. Government revenue declined by the added amount
paid to financial investors as a result of this tax subsidy for debt.
The advantage of issuing stocks is that when business conditions turn down and profits fall,
companies can cut back their dividend. But if they have committed to pay this $100 million to
bondholders, when their earnings go down they may face insolvency.
The result was a wave of bankruptcy since the 1980s as companies became more debt-pyramided.
Also companies heads went to the labor unions and threatened to declare bankruptcy and wipe out
their pension funds, if their leaders did not agree to change these funds and replace the
guaranteed retirement pension that were promised for a defined contribution plan. All they know
is what they have to pay in every month. Retirees will only get whatever is left when they
reach pension age. The equity economy shift into a debt economy has enriched the wealthy
financial class at the top, while hurting employees.
Most statistical trends turned around in 1980 for almost every country as this shift
occurred. Indebting companies has made them more fragile and also higher-cost, because now they
have to factor in the price of interest payments to the bondholders and corporate raiders
who've taken them over.
BONNIE FAULKNER: Do you think that changes should be made to the tax deductibility of
interest?
MICHAEL HUDSON: Sure. If interest were to be taxed, that would leave less incentive for
companies to keep on adding debt. It would deter corporate raiding. It is a precondition for
companies being run to minimize their cost of production and to serve their labor force and
their customers more. For homebuyers, removing the tax-deductibility of interest would leave
less "free" rent to be pledged to banks for mortgages, and hence would reduce the size of bank
loans that bid up housing prices.
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I think that interest and rents should be taxed, not wages and legitimate profits. The FICA
wage withholding now absorbs almost 16% of most wage-earning income for Social Security and
Medicare. But wealthy people don't have to pay any contribution on what they make over than
about $ $116,000 a year. They don't have to pay any FICA contribution on their capital gains,
which is how most fortunes are made. The rentiers' idea of a free market is to make
labor pay for all of the Social Security and Medicare – and then to give so much to Wall
Street that they can say, "Oh, there's no more money. The system's short, so we have to wipe
out Social Security," just as so many companies have wiped out the pension commitments. As
George W. Bush said, tere's not really any money in the Social Security accounts. Its tax on
the lower income brackets was all used to cut taxes on the higher income and wealth brackets.
The economy has been turned into a grab bag for the rich.
BONNIE FAULKNER: What about monetary policy, interest rates and the money supply? Who
controls monetary policy, and how does it affect the economy?
MICHAEL HUDSON: The biggest banks put their lobbyists in charge of the Federal Reserve,
which was created in 1913 to take monetary policy out of the hands of the Treasury in
Washington and put it in the hands of Wall Street. That made the Fed a lobbyist for its
members, the commercial banking system. It's run to control the money supply – in
practice, the debt supply – in a way that steers money into the banks. That's why not a
single banker was jailed for committing the junk mortgage scams and other frauds that caused
the crash. The Fed has turned the banking system into a predatory monopoly instead of the
public service that it was once supposed to be.
Monetary policy is really debt policy, because money is debt on the liabilities side of the
balance sheet. The question is, what kind of debt is the economy going to have, and
what happens when it exceeds the ability to be paid? How is the government going to provide the
economy with money, and what will it do to keep debts line with the ability to be paid? Will
money and credit be provided to build more factories and product more output, to rebuild
American manufacturing and infrastructure? Or, are you going to leave credit and debt creation
to the banks, to make larger loans for people to buy homes at rising prices reflecting the
increasingly highly leveraged and outright reckless credit creation?
Monetary policy is debt policy, and on balance most debts are owed by the bottom 90% to the
wealthiest 10%. So monetary policy becomes an exercise in how the 10% can extract more and more
interest, rent and capital gains from the economy – all the while making money by
impoverishing the economy, not helping most people prosper.
BONNIE FAULKNER: The economy is always being planned by someone or some force, be it Wall
Street, the government or whatever. It's not the result of natural law, as you point out in
your book. It seems like a lot of people think that the economy should somehow run itself
without interference. Could you explain how this is an absurd idea?
MICHAEL HUDSON: It's an example of rhetoric overcoming people's common sense. Every economy
since the Stone Age has been planned. Even in the stone age people had to plan when to plant
the crops, when to harvest them, how much seed you had to keep over for the next year. You had
to operate on credit during the crop year to get beer and rent draft animals. Somebody's in
charge of every economy.
So when people talk about an unplanned economy, they mean no government planning.
They mean that planning should be taken out of the hands of government and put in the hands of
the 1%. That is what they mean by a "free market." They pretend that if the 1% control the
economy it's not really a planned economy anymore, because it's not planned by government,
officials serving the public interest. It's planned by Wall Street. So the question is, really,
who's going to plan the American economy? Is it going to be the government of elected
officials, or is it going to be Wall Street? Wall Street will euphemize its central planning by
saying this is a free market – meaning it's free of government regulation, especially
over the financial sector and the mining companies and other monopolies that are its major
clients.
BONNIE FAULKNER: You emphasize the difference between the study of 19 th -century
classical political economy and modern-day economics. How and when and why did political
economy become "economics"?
MICHAEL HUDSON: If you look at the books that almost everybody wrote in the 19 th
century, they called it political economy because economics is political. And
conversely, economics is what politics has always been about. Who's getting what? Or as Lenin
said, who-whom? It's about how society makes decisions about who's going to get rich and how
they are going to do it. Are they going to get wealthy by acting productively, or
parasitically? Eeverything economic turns out to be political.
The economy's new central planners on Wall Street pretend that what they're doing is not
political. Cutting taxes on themselves is depicted as a law of nature. But they deny that this
is politics, as if there's nothing anyone can do about it. Margaret Thatcher's refrain was
"There is no alternative" (TINA). That is the numbing political sedative injected into today's
economic discussion.
The aim is to make people think that there is no alternative because if they're getting
poorer, if they're losing their home by defaulting on a junk mortgage of if they have to pay so
much on the student loan so that they can't afford to buy a home, or if they find that the only
kind of job they can get driving an Uber car, it's all their fault. It's as if that's just
nature, not the way the economy has been malstructured.
The role of neoliberalism is to make people think that they are powerless in the face of
"the market," as if markets are not socially and politically structured. The 1% have hired
lobbyists and subsidized business schools so as to shape markets in their own interest. Their
aim is to control the economy and call it "nature." Their patter talk is that poverty is
natural for short-sighted "deplorables," not the result of the predatory neoliberal takeover
since 1980 and their capture of the Justice Department so that none of the bank fraudsters go
to jail.
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BONNIE FAULKNER: In your chapter on the letter M – of course, we have chapters from A
to Z – in your chapter on M, you have an entry for Hyman Minsky, an economist who
pioneered Modern Monetary Theory and explained the three stages of the financial cycle in terms
of rising debt leveraging. What is debt leveraging, and how does it lead to a crisis?
MICHAEL HUDSON: Debt leveraging means buying an asset on credit. Lending for home ownership
in the United States is the leading example. From the 1940s to the 1960s, if you took out a
mortgage, the banker would look at your income and calculate that the mortgage on the house you
buy shouldn't absorb more than 25% of your income. The idea was that this would leave enough
income to pay the interest charge and amortize – that is, pay off – the mortgage 30
years later, near the end of your working life. Minsky called this first credit stage the hedge
stage, meaning that banks had hedged their bets within limits that enabled the economy to carry
and pay off its debts.
In the second credit stage, banks lent more and loosened their lending standards so that
mortgages would absorb much more than 25% of the borrower's income. At a certain point, people
could not afford to amortize, that is to pay off the mortgage. All they could do was to pay the
interest charge. By the 1980s, the federal government was lending up to almost 40% of the
borrower's income, writing mortgages without any amortization taking place. The mortgage
payment simply carried the existing homeowner's debt. Banks in fact didn't want to ever be
repaid. They wanted to go on collecting interest on as much debt as possible.
Finally, Minsky said, the Ponzi stage occurred when the homeowner didn't even have enough
money to pay the interest charge, but had to borrow the interest. So this was how Third World
countries had gotten through the 1970s and the early 1980s. The government of, let's say Mexico
or Brazil or Argentina, would say, well, we don't have the dollars to pay the debt, and the
banks would say, we'll just add the interest onto the debt. Same thing with a credit card or a
mortgage. The mortgage homeowner would say, I don't have enough money to pay the mortgage, and
the bank would say, well, just take out a larger mortgage; we'll just lend you the money to pay
the interest.
That's the Ponzi stage and it was named after Carlo Ponzi and his Ponzi scheme –
paying early buyers out of income paid into the scheme by new entrants. That's the stage that
the economy entered around 2007-08. It became a search for the proverbial "greater fool"
willing to borrow to buy overpriced real estate. That caused the crash, and we're still in the
post-crash austerity interim (before yet a deeper debt writeoff or new bailout). The debts have
been left in place, not written down. If you have a credit card and have to pay a monthly
balance but lack enough to pay down your debt, your balance will keep going up every month,
adding the interest charge onto the debt balance.
Any volume of debt tends to grow at compound interest. The result is an exponential growth
that doubles the debt in little time. Any rate of interest is a doubling time. If debt keeps
doubling and redoubling, it's carrying charges are going to crowd out the other expenses in
your budget. You'll have to pay more money to the banks for student loans, credit card debts,
auto loans and mortgage debt, leaving less to spend on goods and services. That's why the
economy is shrinking right now. That's why people today aren't able to do what their parents
were able to do 50 years ago – buy a home they can live in by paying a quarter of their
income.
BONNIE FAULKNER: Dr. Michael Hudson, thank you so very much.
"... In his just published book, War With Russia? ..."
"... To paraphrase Putin: "You are making Russia a threat by declaring us to be one, by discarding facts and substituting orchestrated opinions that your propagandistic media establish as fact via endless repetition." ..."
"... Cohen is correct that during the Cold War every US president worked to defuse tensions, especially Republican ones. Since the Clinton regime every US president has worked to create tensions. What explains this dangerous change in approach? The end of the Cold War was disadvantageous to the military/security complex whose budget and power had waxed from decades of cold war. Suddenly the enemy that had bestowed such wealth and prestige on the military/security complex disappeared. ..."
"... The New Cold War is the result of the military/security complex's resurrection of the enemy. In a democracy with independent media and scholars, this would not have been possible. But the Clinton regime permitted in violation of anti-trust laws 90% of the US media to be concentrated in the hands of six mega-corporations, thus destroying an independence already undermined by the CIA's successful use of the CIA's media assets to control explanations. Many books have been written about the CIA's use of the media, including Udo Ulfkotte's "Bought Journalism," the English edition of which was quickly withdrawn and burned. ..."
Throughout the long Cold War Stephen Cohen, professor of Russian studies at Princeton University and New York University was a
voice of reason. He refused to allow his patriotism to blind him to Washington's contribution to the conflict and to criticize only
the Soviet contribution. Cohen's interest was not to blame the enemy but to work toward a mutual understanding that would remove
the threat of nuclear war. Although a Democrat and left-leaning, Cohen would have been at home in the Reagan administration, as Reagan's
first priority was to end the Cold War. I know this because I was part of the effort. Pat Buchanan will tell you the same thing.
In 1974 a notorious cold warrior, Albert Wohlstetter, absurdly accused the CIA of underestimating the Soviet threat. As the CIA
had every incentive for reasons of budget and power to overestimate the Soviet threat, and today the "Russian threat," Wohlstetter's
accusation made no sense on its face. However he succeeded in stirring up enough concern that CIA director George H.W. Bush, later
Vice President and President, agreed to a Team B to investigate the CIA's assessment, headed by the Russiaphobic Harvard professor
Richard Pipes. Team B concluded that the Soviets thought they could win a nuclear war and were building the forces with which to
attack the US.
The report was mainly nonsense, and it must have have troubled Stephen Cohen to experience the setback to negotiations that Team
B caused.
Today Cohen is stressed that it is the United States that thinks it can win a nuclear war. Washington speaks openly of using "low
yield" nuclear weapons, and intentionally forecloses any peace negotiations with Russia with a propaganda campaign against Russia
of demonization, vilification, and transparent lies, while installing missile bases on Russia's borders and while talking of incorporating
former parts of Russia into NATO. In his just published book, War With Russia? , which I highly recommend, Cohen makes a
convincing case that Washington is asking for war.
I agree with Cohen that if Russia is a threat it is only because the US is threatening Russia. The stupidity of the policy toward
Russia is creating a Russian threat. Putin keeps emphasizing this. To paraphrase Putin: "You are making Russia a threat by declaring
us to be one, by discarding facts and substituting orchestrated opinions that your propagandistic media establish as fact via endless
repetition."
Cohen is correct that during the Cold War every US president worked to defuse tensions, especially Republican ones. Since the
Clinton regime every US president has worked to create tensions. What explains this dangerous change in approach? The end of the Cold War was disadvantageous to the military/security complex whose budget and power had waxed from decades of
cold war. Suddenly the enemy that had bestowed such wealth and prestige on the military/security complex disappeared.
The New Cold War is the result of the military/security complex's resurrection of the enemy. In a democracy with independent media
and scholars, this would not have been possible. But the Clinton regime permitted in violation of anti-trust laws 90% of the US media
to be concentrated in the hands of six mega-corporations, thus destroying an independence already undermined by the CIA's successful
use of the CIA's media assets to control explanations. Many books have been written about the CIA's use of the media, including Udo
Ulfkotte's "Bought Journalism," the English edition of which was quickly withdrawn and burned.
The demonization of Russia is also aided and abetted by the Democrats' hatred of Trump and anger from Hillary's loss of the presidential
election to the "Trump deplorables." The Democrats purport to believe that Trump was installed by Putin's interference in the presidential
election. This false belief is emotionally important to Democrats, and they can't let go of it.
Although Cohen as a professor at Princeton and NYU never lacked research opportunities, in the US Russian studies, strategic studies,
and the like are funded by the military/security complex whose agenda Cohen's scholarship does not serve. At the Center for Strategic
and International Studies, where I held an independently financed chair for a dozen years, most of my colleagues were dependent on
grants from the military/security complex. At the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, where I was a Senior Fellow for three
decades, the anti-Soviet stance of the Institution reflected the agenda of those who funded the institution.
I am not saying that my colleagues were whores on a payroll. I am saying that the people who got the appointments were people
who were inclined to see the Soviet Union the way the military/security complex thought it should be seen.
As Stephen Cohen is aware, in the original Cold War there was some balance as all explanations were not controlled. There were
independent scholars who could point out that the Soviets, decimated by World War 2, had an interest in peace, and that accommodation
could be achieved, thus avoiding the possibility of nuclear war.
Stephen Cohen must have been in the younger ranks of those sensible people, as he and President Reagan's ambassador to the Soviet
Union, Jack Matloff, seem to be the remaining voices of expert reason on the American scene.
If you care to understand the dire threat under which you live, a threat that only a few people, such as Stephen Cohen, are trying
to lift, read his book.
If you want to understand the dire threat that a bought-and-paid-for American media poses to your existence, read Cohen's accounts
of their despicable lies. America has a media that is synonymous with lies.
If you want to understand how corrupt American universities are as organizations on the take for money, organizations to whom
truth is inconsequential, read Cohen's book.
If you want to understand why you could be dead before Global Warming can get you, read Cohen's book.
Russiagate, what a nonsensical concept. Constantly shifting narrative. (1) OMG, they hacked
voting machines! (2) OMG, they hacked DNC servers! (3) OMG, someone talked to a Russian!
"... In the wake of the summit, the neoliberal Resistance, like some multi-headed mythical creature in the throes of acute amphetamine psychosis, started spastically jabbering about "treason" and "traitors," and more or less demanding that Trump be tried, and taken out and shot on the White House lawn. ..."
As my regular readers will probably recall, according to my personal, pseudo-Chinese zodiac,
2017 was " The Year of
the Headless Liberal Chicken ." This year, having given it considerable thought, and having
consulted the I Ching, and assorted other oracles, I'm designating 2018 "The Year of Putin-Nazi
Paranoia."
... ... ...
Back in America, millions of liberals and other Russia-and-Trump-obsessives were awaiting the
Putin-Nazi Apocalypse , which despite the predictions of Resistance pundits had still, by
the Summer, failed to materialize. The corporate media were speculating that Putin's latest
"secret scheme" was for Trump to destroy the Atlantic alliance by arriving late for the G7
meeting. Or maybe Putin's secret scheme was to order Trump to sadistically lock up a bunch of
migrants in metal cages,
exactly as Obama had done before him but these were special Nazi cages! And Trump was
separating mothers and children, which, as General Michael Hayden reminded
us , was more or less exactly the same as Auschwitz!
Paul Krugman had apparently lost it , and was running around the offices of The New York
Times shrieking that "America as we know it is finished!"
Soros had been smuggled back into Europe to single-handedly thwart the Putin-Nazi plot to
"dominate the West," which he planned to do by canceling the Brexit (which Putin had obviously
orchestrated) and overthrowing the elected government of Italy (which, according to Soros, was
a Putin-Nazi front).
As if that wasn't paranoia-inducing enough, suddenly, Trump flew off to Helisnki to
personally meet with the Devil Himself. The neoliberal establishment went totally apeshit. A
columnist for The New York Times predicted that Trump, Putin, Le Pen, the AfD, and other such
Nazis were secretly forming something called "the Alliance of Authoritarian and Reactionary
States," and intended to disband the European Union, and NATO, and impose international martial
law and start ethnically cleansing the West of migrants. That, or Trump and Putin were simply
using the summit as cover to attend some Nazi-equestrian homosexual orgy, which The Times took
pains to illustrate by creating a little animated film depicting Trump and Putin as lovers. In
any event, Jonathan Chait was certain that Trump had been a "Russian intelligence asset" since
at least as early as 1987, and was going to Helsinki to "meet his handler."
In the wake of the summit, the neoliberal Resistance, like some multi-headed mythical
creature in the throes of acute amphetamine psychosis, started spastically jabbering about
"treason" and "traitors," and more or less demanding that Trump be tried, and taken out and
shot on the White House lawn. A frenzy of neo-McCarthyism followed. Liberals started
accusing people of being "traitorous agents of Trump and Moscow," and openly calling for a CIA
coup, because we were "facing a national security emergency!" A devastating Russian
cyber-attack was due to begin at any moment. National Intelligence Director Dan Coats
personally assured the Associated Press that the little "Imminent Russia Attack" lights he had
on his desk were "blinking red."
... ... ...
So here's wishing my Russia-and-Trump-obsessed readers a merry, teeth-clenching,
anus-puckering Christmas and a somewhat mentally-healthier New Year! Me, I'm looking forward to
discovering how batshit crazy things can get I have a feeling we ain't seen nothing yet.
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and political satirist
based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play
Publishing (USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23, is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine &
Cormorant. He can be reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org.
In his recent article "Averting
World Conflict with China" Ron Unz has come up with an intriguing suggestion for the Chinese
government to turn the tables on the December 1 st arrest of Meng Wanzhou in Canada.
Canada detained Mrs. Meng, CFO of the world's largest telecoms equipment manufacturer Huawei,
at the request of the United States so she could be extradited to New York to face charges that
she and her company had violated U.S. sanctions on Iran. The sanctions in question had been
imposed unilaterally by Washington and it is widely believed that the Trump Administration is
sending a signal that when the ban on purchasing oil from Iran comes into full effect in May
there will be no excuses accepted from any country that is unwilling to comply with the U.S.
government's demands. Washington will exercise universal jurisdiction over those who violate
its sanctions, meaning that foreign officials and heads of corporations that continue to deal
with Iran can be arrested when traveling internationally and will be extradited to be tried in
American courts.
There is, of course, a considerable downside to arresting a top executive of a leading
foreign corporation from a country that is a major U.S. trading partner and which also, inter
alia, holds a considerable portion of the U.S. national debt. Ron Unz has correctly noted the "
extraordinary gravity of this international incident and its potential for altering the course
of world history." One might add that Washington's demands that other nations adhere to its
sanctions on third countries opens up a Pandora's box whereby no traveling executives will be
considered safe from legal consequences when they do not adhere to policies being promoted by
the United States. Unz cites Columbia's Jeffrey Sachs as
describing it as "almost a U.S. declaration of war on China's business community." If
seizing and extraditing businessmen becomes the new normal those countries most affected will
inevitably retaliate in kind. China has already detained two traveling Canadians to pressure
Ottawa to release Mrs. Meng. Beijing is also contemplating some immediate retaliatory steps
against Washington to include American companies operating in China if she is extradited to the
U.S.
Ron Unz has suggested that Beijing might just want to execute a quid pro quo by pulling the
licenses of Sheldon Adelson's casinos operating in Macau, China and shutting them down, thereby
eliminating a major source of his revenue. Why go after an Israeli-American casino operator
rather than taking steps directly against the U.S. government? The answer is simple. Pressuring
Washington is complicated as there are many players involved and unlikely to produce any
positive results while Adelson
is the prime mover on much of the Trump foreign policy, though one hesitates to refer to it
as a policy at all.
Adelson is the world's leading diaspora Israel-firster and he has the ear of the president
of the United States, who reportedly speaks and meets with him regularly. And Adelson uses his
considerable financial resources to back up his words of wisdom. He is the fifteenth wealthiest man in America
with a reported fortune of $33 billion. He is the number one contributor to the GOP having
given $81 million in the last cycle. Admittedly that is chump change to him, but it is more
than enough to buy the money hungry and easily corruptible Republicans.
In a certain sense, Adelson has obtained control of the foreign policy of the political
party that now controls both the White House and the Senate, and his mission in life is to
advance Israeli interests. Among those interests is the continuous punishment of Iran, which
does not threaten the United States in any way, through employment of increasingly savage
sanctions and threats of violence, which brings us around to the arrest of Meng and the
complicity of Adelson in that process. Adelson's wholly owned talking head National Security
Adviser John Bolton reportedly had prior knowledge of the Canadian plans and may have actually
been complicit in their formulation. Adelson has also been the major force behind moving the
U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, has also convinced the Administration to stop its criticism of the
illegal Israeli settlements on Arab land and has been instrumental in cutting off all
humanitarian aid to the Palestinians. He prefers tough love when dealing with the Iranians,
advocating dropping
a nuclear bomb on Iran as a warning to the Mullahs of what more might be coming if they don't
comply with all the American and Israeli demands.
"No taxation without representation" is the cornerstone to the founding of the nation. Is
it not ?
Every Neocon Oligarch who Conspired to Defraud us into "war of aggression" should have ALL
their assets seized to pay for the costs of the wars they lied us into.
No more, no less.
Choosing to "Boycott Israel "may help the suffering Palestinians to some small degree, but
if anyone is serious about helping The UNITED STATES ..The highest priority should be SEIZING
the ASSETS of EVERY individual who LIED us into WAR.
The law is crystal clear on this ..and its on YOUR SIDE.
The people just need a referendum like "THE WAR FRAUD ACCOUNTABILITY ACT of 2020″
(retroactive to 2002.)
They just need to sign it and push it through .By "majority" mandate.
Why waste time boycotting Israel .When 300 million Americans are one step away from
rightfully taking back ALL their MONEY from every Neocon Oligarch who "conspired to defraud"
us into war ?
Think about how hard Americans have worked to build our country in 200 years we created
the most powerful and wealthy nation on the face of the earth.
Yet all that wealth has been Squandered, in a mere 17 years, because we were defrauded
into illegal wars of aggression.
Its not right.
Make THEM pay for the wars they lied us into.
Every penny.
Take back you solvency . Americans.
This is the smart play .its legal its just and its right there for you.
Wall Street, Banks, and Angry Citizens
The Inequality Gap on a Planet Growing More Extreme
Nomi Prins
December 13, 2018
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As we head into 2019, leaving the chaos
of this year behind, a major question remains unanswered when it comes to the state of Main Street, not just
here but across the planet. If the global economy really is booming, as many politicians claim, why are
leaders and their parties around the world continuing to get booted out of office in such a sweeping
fashion?
One obvious answer: the post-Great
Recession economic "recovery" was largely reserved for the few who could participate in the rising financial
markets of those years, not the majority who continued to work longer hours, sometimes at multiple jobs, to
stay afloat. In other words, the good times have left out so many people, like those struggling to keep even
a
few hundred dollars
in their bank accounts to cover an emergency or the
80%
of American workers who live paycheck to paycheck.
In today's global economy, financial
security is increasingly the property of the 1%. No surprise, then, that, as a sense of economic instability
continued to grow over the past decade, angst turned to anger, a transition that -- from the U.S. to the
Philippines, Hungary to Brazil, Poland to Mexico -- has provoked a plethora of voter upheavals. In the
process, a 1930s-style brew of rising nationalism and blaming the "other" -- whether that other was an
immigrant, a religious group, a country, or the rest of the world -- emerged.
This phenomenon offered a series of
Trumpian figures, including of course The Donald himself, an opening to ride a wave of "populism" to the
heights of the political system. That the backgrounds and records of none of them -- whether you're talking
about Donald Trump, Viktor Orbán, Rodrigo Duterte, or Jair Bolsonaro (among others) -- reflected the daily
concerns of the "common people," as the
classic definition
of populism might have it, hardly mattered. Even a billionaire could, it turned out,
exploit economic insecurity effectively and use it to rise to ultimate power.
Ironically, as that American master at
evoking the fears of apprentices everywhere showed, to assume the highest office in the land was only to
begin a process of creating yet more fear and insecurity. Trump's trade wars, for instance, have typically
infused the world with increased
anxiety
and distrust toward the U.S., even as they thwarted the ability of domestic
business
leaders and ordinary
people
to plan for the future. Meanwhile, just under the surface of the reputed good times, the
damage
to that future only intensified. In other words, the groundwork has already been laid for what
could be a frightening transformation, both domestically and globally.
That Old Financial Crisis
To understand how we got here, let's take
a step back. Only a decade ago, the world experienced a genuine global financial crisis, a meltdown of the
first order. Economic growth ended; shrinking economies threatened to collapse; countless jobs were cut;
homes were foreclosed upon and lives wrecked. For regular people, access to credit suddenly disappeared. No
wonder fears rose. No wonder for so many a brighter tomorrow ceased to exist.
The details of just why the Great
Recession happened have since been glossed over by time and partisan spin. This September, when the 10th
anniversary of the collapse of the global financial services firm Lehman Brothers came around, major
business news channels considered whether the world might be at risk of another such crisis. However,
coverage of such fears, like so many other topics, was quickly tossed aside in favor of paying yet more
attention to Donald Trump's latest tweets, complaints, insults, and lies. Why? Because such a crisis was so
2008 in a year in which, it was
claimed,
we were enjoying a first class economic high and edging toward the
longest
bull-market in Wall Street history. When it came to "boom versus gloom," boom won hands down.
None of that changed one thing, though: most people still feel
left behind
both in the U.S. and
globally
. Thanks to the massive accumulation of wealth by a 1% skilled at gaming the system, the roots
of a crisis that didn't end with the end of the Great Recession have spread
across the planet
, while the dividing line between the "have-nots" and the "have-a-lots" only sharpened
and widened.
Though the media hasn't been paying
much attention to the resulting inequality, the statistics (when you see them) on that ever-widening wealth
gap are mind-boggling. According to Inequality.org, for instance, those with at least $30 million in wealth
globally had the fastest growth rate of any group between 2016 and 2017. The size of that club rose by 25.5%
during those years, to 174,800 members. Or if you really want to grasp what's been happening, consider that,
between 2009 and 2017, the number of billionaires whose combined wealth was greater than that of the world's
poorest 50% fell from
380
to just
eight
. And by the way, despite claims by the president that every other country is screwing America, the
U.S. leads the pack when it comes to the growth of inequality. As Inequality.org
notes
, it has "much greater shares of national wealth and income going to the richest 1% than any other
country."
That, in part, is due to an institution
many in the U.S. normally pay little attention to: the U.S. central bank, the Federal Reserve. It helped
spark that increase in wealth disparity domestically and globally by adopting a post-crisis monetary policy
in which electronically fabricated money (via a program called quantitative easing, or QE) was offered to
banks and corporations at significantly cheaper rates than to ordinary Americans.
Pumped into financial markets, that
money sent stock prices soaring, which naturally ballooned the wealth of the small percentage of the
population that actually owned stocks.
According to
economist Stephen Roach, considering the Fed's Survey of Consumer Finances, "It is hardly a
stretch to conclude that QE exacerbated America's already severe income disparities."
Wall Street, Central Banks, and
Everyday People
What has since taken place around the
world seems right out of the 1930s. At that time, as the world was emerging from the Great Depression, a
sense of broad economic security was slow to return. Instead, fascism and other forms of nationalism only
gained steam as people turned on the usual cast of politicians, on other countries, and on each other. (If
that sounds faintly Trumpian to you, it should.)
In our post-2008 era, people have
witnessed
trillions
of dollars flowing into bank bailouts and other financial subsidies, not just from governments
but from the world's major central banks. Theoretically, private banks, as a result, would have more money
and pay less interest to get it. They would then lend that money to Main Street. Businesses, big and small,
would tap into those funds and, in turn, produce real economic growth through expansion, hiring sprees, and
wage increases. People would then have more dollars in their pockets and, feeling more financially secure,
would spend that money driving the economy to new heights -- and all, of course, would then be well.
That fairy tale was pitched around the
globe. In fact, cheap money also pushed debt to epic levels, while the share prices of banks rose, as did
those of all sorts of other firms, to record-shattering heights.
Even in the U.S., however, where a
magnificent recovery was supposed to have been in place for years, actual economic growth simply didn't
materialize at the levels promised. At
2% per year
, the average growth of the American gross domestic product over the past decade, for
instance, has been half the average of 4% before the 2008 crisis. Similar numbers were repeated throughout
the developed world and most emerging markets. In the meantime, total global debt hit
$247 trillion
in the first quarter of 2018. As the
Institute of International Finance
found, countries were, on average, borrowing about three dollars for
every dollar of goods or services created.
Global Consequences
What the Fed (along with central banks
from Europe to Japan) ignited, in fact, was a disproportionate rise in the stock and bond markets with the
money they created. That capital sought higher and faster returns than could be achieved in crucial
infrastructure or social strengthening projects like building roads, high-speed railways, hospitals, or
schools.
What followed was anything but fair. As
former Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen
noted
four years ago, "It is no secret that the past few decades of widening inequality can be summed up
as significant income and wealth gains for those at the very top and stagnant living standards for the
majority." And, of course, continuing to pour money into the highest levels of the private banking system
was anything but a formula for walking that back.
Instead, as more citizens fell behind, a
sense of disenfranchisement and bitterness with existing governments only grew. In the U.S., that meant
Donald Trump. In the United Kingdom, similar discontent was reflected in the June 2016 Brexit vote to leave
the European Union (EU), which those who felt economically squeezed to death clearly meant as a
slap at
both the establishment domestically and EU leaders abroad.
Since then, multiple governments in the
European Union, too, have shifted toward the populist right. In Germany, recent elections swung both
right
and
left
just six years after, in July 2012, European Central Bank (ECB) head Mario Draghi
exuded optimism
over the ability of such banks to protect the financial system, the Euro, and generally
hold things together.
Like the Fed in the U.S., the ECB went
on to manufacture money, adding another
$3 trillion
to its books that would be deployed to buy bonds from favored countries and companies. That
artificial stimulus, too, only increased inequality within and between countries in Europe. Meanwhile,
Brexit negotiations remain ruinously divisive,
threatening
to rip Great Britain apart.
Nor was such a story the captive of the
North Atlantic. In Brazil, where left-wing president Dilma Rouseff was ousted from power in 2016, her
successor Michel Temer oversaw plummeting economic growth and escalating unemployment. That, in turn, led to
the election of that country's own Donald Trump, nationalistic far-right candidate Jair Bolsonaro who won a
striking
55.2%
of the vote against a backdrop of popular discontent. In true Trumpian style, he is disposed
against both the very idea of climate change and multilateral trade agreements.
In Mexico, dissatisfied voters similarly
rejected the political known, but by swinging left for the
first time
in 70 years. New president Andrés Manuel López Obrador, popularly known by his initials AMLO,
promised to put the needs of ordinary Mexicans first. However, he has the U.S. -- and the whims of Donald
Trump and his "great wall" -- to contend with, which could hamper those efforts.
As AMLO took office on
December 1st
, the G20 summit of world leaders was unfolding in Argentina. There, amid a glittering
backdrop of power and influence, the trade war between the U.S. and the world's rising superpower, China,
came even more clearly into focus. While its president, Xi Jinping, having fully consolidated power amid a
wave of Chinese nationalism, could become his country's
longest serving
leader, he faces an international landscape that would have amazed and befuddled Mao
Zedong.
Though Trump declared his meeting with
Xi a success because the two sides agreed on a
90-day tariff truce
, his prompt
appointment
of an anti-Chinese hardliner, Robert Lighthizer, to head negotiations, a tweet in which he
referred to himself in superhero fashion as a "
Tariff
Man
," and news that the U.S. had requested that Canada arrest and extradite an executive of a key
Chinese tech company, caused the Dow to take its
fourth largest plunge
in history and then
fluctuate wildly
as economic fears of a future "Great Something" rose. More uncertainty and distrust
were the true product of that meeting.
In fact, we are now in a world whose
key leaders, especially the president of the United States, remain willfully oblivious to its long-term
problems, putting policies like deregulation, fake nationalist solutions, and profits for the already
grotesquely wealthy ahead of the future lives of the mass of citizens. Consider the
yellow-vest protests
that have broken out in France, where protestors identifying with left and right
political parties are calling for the resignation of neoliberal French President Emmanuel Macron. Many of
them, from financially starved provincial towns, are angry that their purchasing power has dropped so low
they can barely
make ends meet
.
Ultimately, what transcends geography
and geopolitics is an underlying level of economic discontent sparked by twenty-first-century economics and
a resulting Grand Canyon-sized global inequality gap that is still
widening
. Whether the protests go left or right, what continues to lie at the heart of the matter is the
way failed policies and stop-gap measures put in place around the world are no longer working, not when it
comes to the non-1% anyway. People from
Washington
to
Paris
,
London
to
Beijing
, increasingly grasp that their economic circumstances are not getting better and are not likely
to in any presently imaginable future, given those now in power.
A Dangerous Recipe
The financial crisis of 2008 initially
fostered a policy of bailing out banks with cheap money that went not into Main Street economies but into
markets enriching the few. As a result, large numbers of people increasingly felt that they were being left
behind and so turned against their leaders and sometimes each other as well.
This situation was then exploited by a
set of self-appointed politicians of the people, including a billionaire TV personality who capitalized on
an increasingly widespread fear of a future at risk. Their promises of economic prosperity were wrapped in
populist platitudes, normally (but not always) of a right-wing sort. Lost in this shift away from previously
dominant political parties and the systems that went with them was a true form of populism, which would
genuinely put the needs of the majority of people over the elite few, build real things including
infrastructure, foster organic wealth distribution, and stabilize economies above financial markets.
In the meantime, what we have is, of
course, a recipe for an increasingly unstable and vicious world.
However, coverage of such fears, like so many other topics, was quickly tossed aside in favor of
paying yet more attention to Donald Trump's latest tweets, complaints, insults, and lies.
Tossed aside by whom? The corporate media of course. Fake news. Their ONLY agenda is the ongoing
demonetization of Donald Trump.
Minus the obligatory Trump bashing this is a good piece. The beating heart of Neo Feudalism (against
which we populists/nationalists/deplorables rebel) is debt money aka the FED. So what would you have us
actually do about the banking cartel? Vote BETO? Check our privilege?
I suggest stepping back further than the GFC, to the halcyon days of Thatcher and Reagan and TINA.
That's
when we stopped investing in ourselves, which is why R&D has a 50% lower share of GDP today than then.
Encouraged by the success of this non-investment, we then stopped keeping up the infrastructure we had
built–including the great corporate labs that created our recent prosperity–and now the maintenance bill is
coming due.
Needless to say, the Chinese did the opposite and the current "China!" noise is designed to distract us
from the dreadful destiny our faux democracy created for us.
But a country deserves the government it gets and we've always liked Elmer Gantry's style of
self-confident bullshit.
I miss Mike Whitney. Where did he go? He hasn't posted anything here at Unz since June. He was just as good
as Nomi on the finance/economic topics, but we didn't have to endure the constant anti-Trump
virtue-signalling. It's a bit like being served castor oil along with your beef bourguignon: it spoils the
whole effect.
Another thing I don't like about Nomi is how she fails to make the connection between
hyper-financialization and falling median incomes in the West on the one hand, and open borders and 'free'
trade on the other. Neoliberalism could succinctly be defined as the free movement of goods, capital and
people across borders. Hence, there is nothing left-wing about hating borders–not if you by 'left-wing' you
mean
pro-workingclass
.
Remember, the Tea Party was a grassroots anti-banker movement. The media successfully convinced the rest of
America that they were all racist fascist deplorables.
Post-housing collapse, maybe, the Fed should have provided loans to Main Street merchants, unleashing more
small-business energy, especially since so few Americans are starting businesses these days. But those
loans, too, always need to be allocated to people with a reasonable chance to pay them back. The Fed gave
the dough to the banks and the zombies, but in different ways, the small-business climate in the USA is
almost as bad as the zombie-business climate.
Back in 2008, any small-business stimulus would have been
complicated by the need for small fish to compete with the Goliath of big-box chains and on-every-corner
franchise mills spawned by big corporations, which, in neither case, generate many quality, rent-covering
jobs beyond a few management positions. In many cases, the owners of franchise businesses do not make
much -- they can't pay much. And the recent attempt to stimulate small businesses via the LLC tax cut might be
diluted by the undermining of small retail by volume sellers, like Amazon & Walmart -- behemoths that sell
everything under the sun at cut rates, now speedily delivering to customers' doors.
Infrastructure spending would create long-term value and some quality, if temporary, jobs mostly for
underemployed males, one of the groups unable to just work part-time or temp jobs at low wage levels, making
up the difference between living expenses and inadequate pay with spousal income, child support checks or
multiple monthly welfare streams from .gov and a refundable child tax credit up to $6,431. Rather than
working multiple jobs, that is what many single-breadwinner parents do. They stay below the income limits
for the .gov handouts, strategically, thereby keeping wages and job quality low for many women who lack
access to unearned income streams unrelated to their employment.
College-educated Americans (and others) also face the problem of the many dual-earner parents, keeping
two of the few decent-paying jobs with benefits under one roof. These are often not two rocket-scientist
jobs, but jobs that many educated people could perform. They maintain those jobs despite tons of time off to
accommodate their personal lives, letting $10-per-hour daycare workers, NannyCam-surveilled babysitters and
never-retiring grandparents do the work of raising their kids. The middle-class job pool would expand
dramatically if they were just more interested in raising the kids they produce, but they put house size and
multiple vacations first, with the liberals among them insincerely bemoaning the fact that 30 million
Americans lack health insurance, while they are double-covered in their above-firing, family-friendly jobs.
Still, if infrastructure spending is used to build The Wall, everyone will at least be safer, welfare
expenditures will go down and fewer welfare-assisted noncitizens will chase jobs, driving wages down for
underemployed US citizens. Bridges require repair -- something that affects the safety of everyone in the
country. The electrical grid and nuclear plants need to be fortified. Something needs to be done about
cybersecurity, a type of invisible infrastructure that is more and more important.
We need US citizens to get these jobs, including the record number of working-aged US citizens out of the
laborforce. Infrastructure spending should not be used to employ the citizens of other countries, like the
1.5 to 1.7 new legal immigrants admitted into the country each year, many of whom qualify for welfare and
tax credits for US-born kids and boatloads of illegal immigrants.
The Western propaganda continues unabated. In the latest episode of #FakeNews France3 TV got caught
broadcasting a fake Yellow Vests image–photoshoped by its disinformation division–to their viewers, and then
blatantly lied about afterwards:
I fear for the Jews, both universalist Tikkun Olas like Nomi and the Zio-nationalists,
when the (((Great Ponzi))) collapses.
Haxo has to be hasbara of some sort trying to discredit Prins' article. That aside, I hope for major
correction before we see a complete collapse of the U.S. and global economy which will result in complete
social collapse. For no other reason than I live in a major East Coast city and am not prepared to forage
for food.
That's when we stopped investing in ourselves, which is why R&D has a 50% lower share of GDP today
than then.
Encouraged by the success of this non-investment, we then stopped keeping up the infrastructure we had
built–including the great corporate labs that created our recent prosperity–and now the maintenance bill
is coming due.
Is this the result of Ivy League schools pumping out more degrees in finance rather than science and
engineering, or the cause?
Including Hungary and Viktor Orban in your piece demonstrates a lack of research and a definite lack of
perspective. I discount the rest of what you babble on about as a result. Try doing some on-the-spot
research. You might learn what really is going on. Start with the hundreds of YouTube tourist blogs. Then
visit. Stop blindly regurgitating the narrow, usually distorted crap you find in the press. You may have a
point but it appears to be a house of cards. To me at least. An expat enjoying my freedoms in Hungary.l
Yeah, and what 'tomdispatch regular' Prins does is increase the sense of rage and helplessness by pointing
out the degenerative process without offering any avenue to lance the boil and treat the infection. This
only contributes to the resultant social problems she describes. Not necessarily smart.
Better had she
pointed to some means of holding those responsible accountable, example given:
I'm old, mid seventies, studied economics in the sixties.
Among the many stupid things I did or thought in my life is that economics is what is expressed by
'economics is common sense made difficult'.
Maybe I had also the completely wrong idea about common sense, looking back, and looking around me now, it
hardly seems to exist.
The figures about CO2 ppm can be explained in one sentence, yet mankind seems to be embarking on the most
expensive experiment ever, the outcome of which will, my conviction, be that the only effect is back to
barbarism, civilisation depends on cheap energy.
About financial crises, around 1880 there was a crash in
Germany, Wild West around emission of shares was ended.
In 1929 USA financial regulations were way behind German, the great crash.
The USA, with GB, is the only country in the world where the central bank is not state owned.
Therefore derivatives were not regulated, the fairy tales about absolute minimum value were believed, as
were before 1880 in Germany emission fairy tales.
We have one more problem central bank, ECB, in theory owned by the euro countries, in practice Draghi can do
what he wants, as long as he stays within his statutes.
Anyone with some insight in the world economy sees that w're heading towards a gigantic crash, who is
unable to see this can read Varoufakis.
Now how did we get into this mess ?
In my opinion quite simple: globalisation, that made the political power of the nation states disappear, EU
of course also is globalisation.
Central bankers of the world monthly meet at BIS Basle, financially, economically, in my opinion, there the
world is ruled.
What these central bankers think, I've no idea.
But that Dutch central bank director Klaas Knot does not care for Dutch interests, is more than clear.
There is one important and interesting thing about economies, economy defined as the finances of a
country, the euro zone, the USA, politicians, and bankers, even central bankers, do not control economies.
A few aspects can be controlled, but not all of them at the same time.
So inconsistent decisions lead to unwanted, and/or unforeseen consequences.
The euro is a political experiment, the object was to force euro countries to become more or less
economically the same.
It failed, southern euro countries differ economically as much now from northern as when the euro was
introduced.
The only way out for France economically now I can see is the old devaluation recipe.
Alas, 'thanks' to the euro this is no longer possible.
So that, what is erronuously called elite, has maneuvred itself into a lose lose situation, do nothing, and
France will have a second 1791, or remove the euro flag from the sinking EU ship.
In both cases, as far as I can see, end of EU.
@tac
Quite simple, more and more French are running into financial difficulties.
Most of them of course do not understand why, but they're not interested in why, as the immigrants 'we want
a better life'.
Since over ten years now, I'm retired, we live many months yearly in France.
Great country, compared to the Netherlands, more and more resembling LA.
We do not pay French income taxes, just property tax.
But the steady increase over the years of the cost of living in France we noticed quite well.
For the last two or three years it is clear to us that even our French neighbours are less affluent, our
neighbouring houses all are second homes, owned by upper middle class, of course.
Complaints about the cost of the gardener, no parties with traiteurs any more.
A traiteur is someone who prepares expensive dishes for parties etc.
French complain, even in casual conversations, a restaurant owner 'Macron is right, nobody wants to work in
France any more', someone else 'France is ill, we pay to much for social security'.
Nomi doesn't even mention the impact a million and a half legal immigrants coming in each year has had on
our supposed recovery. How can we trust what she says when she leaves out such pertinent information? In
fact we could argue the only way we were able to recover after the Great Depression is because immigration
had been cut.
Mike was possibly the
only
journalist who gave Trump a modicum of good advice when he mentioned
bumping retirees pay instead of pretending corporate tax cuts will ever "trickle down" to the workers still
on the job. Bullseye! I could use a raise.
Mike said $150 more per month would go directly for stuff retirees need, especially the ones right on the
edge. Young plumbers, roofers, electricians and so on would have tons of work to do.
Cut corporate tax, on the other hand. and the buggers only send more work to China, sluice money to
anti-worker NGOs, or sit on it all like Bill Gates.
I'd go one step further: Put a cork in the billions for Israel program and pay off all American student
loans. Further still: Tax corporations that outsource work to pay every young worker $2500 monthly till
America learns how to pay "middle class wages" again. Bezos at Amazon can get a special bill for the
millions of worker-years he's stiffed and pay them US Marshall rates, backdated to their start date with
interest.
I know, I know. Fascist economics is
so
boring. But we're near the centennial of the days when
Benito Mussolini was the most respected and successful politician in Europe if not the world.
The key problem of the USA is that neoliberalism ideology is now discredited (since 2008) and
neoliberalism as the social system clearly entered the stage of decline. Trump and Brexit
were the first Robin (as in "One robin doesn't make a spring" )
The key problem that probably will prolong the period of neoliberalism past its Shelf LIfe
Expiration Date is that the alternative to it is still unclear. and probably will not emerge
until the end of the age of "cheap oil" which might mean another 40-50 years. But the rise of
far-right nationalism is a clear indication of people in various countries started reject
neoliberal globalization (including the USA, GB and most of Europe.) Trump's "national
neoliberalism" and Brexit are just another side of the same coin.
Economic rape of Russia and post Soviet republic in 1991-2000 as well as the communication
revolution postponed the crisis of neoliberalism for a decade or so. Otherwise, it might well
start around 2000 instead of 2008. Now G7 countries that adopted neoliberalism entered the
phase of "secular stagnation" (as Summers called it) and probably will not be able to escape
for it without some war-style mobilization or military coup d'état and introduction of
command economics.
IMHO military remains one of the few realistic hopes to play the role of countervailing
force for the financial oligarchy -- which owns that state under neoliberalism, So when we
talk about the Depp State that created anti-Trump witch hunt it is not just intelligence
agencies (although they assume active political role now and strive to be the kingmakers).
This Wall street, military-industrial complex and intelligence agencies.
It will be interesting if establishment neoliberals will try to take revenge in 2020, as
they clearly do not have any viable candidate right now (Biden is a sad joke). But they
definitely can put Trump on the ropes in 2019 and sign of their intention to do so already
emerged.
BTW the key problem of Trump survival is that Trump abandoned (or was forced to abandon)
most of his key election promises to the electorate (with the only exception of tariffs for
China, I think).
In this sense Trump behaved much like Obama did with his "Change and hope" bait and switch
trick, and Nobel Peace Price. Nobel Peace Prize for the butcher of Libya and Syria, the
godfather of ISIS, is rich.
During election campaign, his message was straightforwardly anti-globalization. He
believes that the interests of the working class have been sacrificed in favor of the big
corporations that have been encouraged to invest around the world and thereby deprive
American workers of their jobs. Further, he argues that large-scale immigration has
weakened the bargaining power of American workers and served to lower their wages.
He proposes that US corporations should be required to invest their cash reserves in the
US. He believes that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has had the effect of
exporting American jobs to Mexico. On similar grounds, he is opposed to the TPP and the
TTIP. And he also accuses China of stealing American jobs, threatening to impose a 45%
tariff on Chinese imports.
To globalization, Trump counterposes economic nationalism: "Put America first". His
appeal, above all, is to the white working class who, until Trump's (and Bernie Sander's)
arrival on the political scene, had been ignored and largely unrepresented since the 1980s.
Given that their wages have been falling for most of the last 40 years, it is extraordinary
how their interests have been neglected by the political class. Increasingly, they have
voted Republican, but the Republicans have long been captured by the super-rich and Wall
Street, whose interests, as hyper-globalisers, have run directly counter to those of the
white working class. With the arrival of Trump they finally found a representative: they
won Trump the Republican nomination.
Trump believes that America's pursuit of great power status has squandered the nation's
resources
The economic nationalist argument has also been vigorously pursued by Bernie Sanders , who
ran Hillary Clinton extremely close for the Democratic nomination and would probably have
won but for more than 700 so-called super-delegates, who were effectively chosen by the
Democratic machine and overwhelmingly supported Clinton. As in the case of the Republicans,
the Democrats have long supported a neoliberal, pro-globalization strategy, notwithstanding
the concerns of its trade union base. Both the Republicans and the Democrats now find
themselves deeply polarized between the pro- and anti-globalizers, an entirely new
development not witnessed since the shift towards neoliberalism under Reagan almost 40
years ago.
Another plank of Trump's nationalist appeal – "Make America great again" –
is his position on foreign policy. He believes that America's pursuit of great power status
has squandered the nation's resources. He argues that the country's alliance system is
unfair, with America bearing most of the cost and its allies contributing far too little.
He points to Japan and South Korea, and NATO's European members as prime examples. He seeks
to rebalance these relationships and, failing that, to exit from them.
As a country in decline, he argues that America can no longer afford to carry this kind
of financial burden. Rather than putting the world to rights, he believes the money should
be invested at home, pointing to the dilapidated state of America's infrastructure. Trump's
position represents a major critique of America as the world's hegemon. His arguments mark
a radical break with the neoliberal, hyper-globalization ideology that has reigned since
the early 1980s and with the foreign policy orthodoxy of most of the postwar period. These
arguments must be taken seriously. They should not be lightly dismissed just because of
their authorship.
Roughly two-thirds of Americans agree that "we should not think so much in international
terms but concentrate more on our own national problems". And, above all else, what will
continue to drive opposition to the hyper-globalizers is inequality.
Hitler was defeated by soviet armies. They had thousands of Russian made T34, patriotic
soldiers (more than 10 millions died, against around 0.1 million from US), and smart
generals.
The lend-lease, the trucks and jeeps, and blahblah . Their effect is a myth. That's a meme
which has been propagated as soon as the USSR went down around 1990 (thus, there was no more
powerful voice to contradict the lies).
Americans can't stand the truth: they did almost nothing, waiting comfortably for Europe to
be completely devasted, then coming near the end to reap the bounty of the winner.
This disgusting behavior had to be hidden by myths such as the truck/jeep meme.
The truth was known by everybody in Europe after the war. Of course the British gave more
responsibility to UK for defeating Hitler, as Russians were doing for their side. But almost
nobody thought that America was the one who defeated Hitler.
Then gradually, the American (hollywood) propaganda rewrote the history, and the American made
myth became the believed truth. Alain Soral: "Marx ****s Hitler"
There is no doubt that Germans, particularly from certain regions of Germany, looked
down upon Slavs.
I'm sure some Germans looked down on Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, like Americans who
used to tell Polish jokes, but that's different from considering them racially inferior.
There were reasons to feel culturally superior. Germany was far wealthier and the people
better educated than in Poland or Ukraine. Their houses were nicer, with indoor toilets, and
their farms neater and better managed. The Red Army soldiers were astounded by how well
Germans lived when they finally reached German soil.
There has to be some explanation for why Russian deserters who volunteered for German
forces were hardly used.
They probably didn't trust Vlasov and his crew until they were forced to out of
desperation. He ended up turning on them anyway, proving it was a bad idea.
As for German regional bias against Slavs, Austria, for one example, in the 1800s
treated the Serbs almost as poorly as the Ottomans did.
It was the same throughout Eastern Europe until modern times. Poland occupied parts of the
Ukraine after the brief war with the Red Army and immediately started Polonizing the areas.
Ethnic Germans were expelled from East Prussia, Silesia and the Sudetenland in 1945.
@Parisian Guy
No, I use rounded figures from what I recall. The USSR built about 50,000 T-34′s in
WWII. They could do this because the USA sent them over 500,000 trucks. The USSR was able to
build 50,000 T-34′s becuase they did not have to build alot of the trucks they used . A
tank aint worth anything without support ammo fuel, which all is delivered by truck. Now for
your theory to hold any water , we could say simply the USSR could have built half the number
of tanks 25,000 T-34 's to build 250,000 of those trucks themselves instead . Stiil alot of
tanks . The only problem is the USSR lost 45000 of those 50000 T-34′s , so they never
would have made it with half the T-34′s along with half the truck's of which most truck
were used to support other forces beside tanks.
Then you aslos have to add the USSR recieved 20000 tanks (afv's) and 20000 aircraft from
the USA UK as well. Do you thinjk the Soviet army could have fought barefoot? Becuase the USA
send them over 5 million pairs of boots IIRC. Lend lease overall amounted at least half of
all Soviet equipment and supplies
No the USSR would simply have lost WWII without lend -lease equipment supplies, handy
figures
@Fidelios
Automata I know that controversy about who wanted war. There is the same about the start
of WW2. I have no opinion. For instance, i've also read that US/UK were very actively trying
to convince Stalin that Hitler was secretly wanting to attack USSR as soon as he could. So
Stalin planned for a preemptive attack. My guess is we will never be able to know the truth
with certainty.
The lend-lease, the trucks and jeeps, and blahblah . Their effect is a myth. That's a
meme which has been propagated as soon as the USSR went down around 1990 (thus, there was
no more powerful voice to contradict the lies).
Part true, but you're overshooting just a bit.
In 1962, East minus West = zero by Werner Keller was published by Putnam in the
USA. There were previous non-US editions.
As I heard it, the big complaint in 1962 (one of) was Foreign Aid. Keller's book gave
JFK's opponents another brick to lob at him, because Keller detailed the extent of that
particular aid that American industrial workers and military had been quiet about due to
secrecy laws.
Since Keller's book had a non-USA roots, it was okay. Might seem idiotic to blame JFK for
FDR's sins, but politics in this asylum works that way.
Because Keller never claimed Lend Lease "won" the war, his volume is rarely cited which is
too bad because he got the details fresh, less than 20 years after the war from sources close
to the factory gate and battleground.
I have not heard of any major errors in the book. Copies are still floating around, but
it's over 350 pages and not light reading.
If anyone cares to critique Keller, I have no quarrel. But so far as I know his book was
the first "reveal" that considered Lend Lease to be any more than a case of a few shiploads
of ammunition and tinned food. Much earlier than the 90s.
@Parisian Guy
Jews Leading Subjectivists, Satanists, Controlling Establishment Christianity
Parisian Jew; regarding lend-lease, the facts speak–it doesn't matter what "polls"
say, which argument of urs is mere version of fallacy of argument-fm-authority. I'm "proof,"
u say?–I stick to the obvious facts, and draw the clear, indicated conclusion soviets
were beaten till resuscitated, rejuvenated, and actually primed by American aid and supply,
especially of simple, basic food, and then the transportation.
Stalin and Russkies themselves URGENTLY asked for tanks and planes when Harry Hopkins
first talked to them, so deficient they'd become, such losses they'd suffered. By end 1941
Russkies had already gotten 200,000 tons of American-produced supplies through the Brits
(before Jew S A even officially got into the war)–Jewwy Wikipedia says they got 360,000
tons.
Jew "power"?–all u have to do is look at Israel, the "tail" wagging American (and
everyone else) "dog." Jews obviously control finances and the world fiat-money and
central-banking systems. But then HOW do Jew exercise that control? Note psychologically Jews
control an extremely powerful segment of "Christian" population in Jew S A, called
"Judeo-Christians" (JCs–see Whtt.org and TruthTellers.org for expo), or
"Christian-Zionists," about half of all evangelicals, perhaps numbering up to 40 million here
who strongly support Israeli terror-state. Jews heavily influence and intimidate ALL
establishment Christian churches throughout the world beginning w. "vatican" satanists and
child-molesters.
But most of all, Jews are Talmudists (see Talmudical.blogspot.com), by definition, hence
satanists, Jews being extreme subjectivists ("midrash"), which subjectivism holds reality is
mere creation of mentality/consciousness, making themselves God, the creator–satanists.
Further Jews are most COLLECTIVIST subjectivists, leading group-think practitioners, Jews
most dedicated, most organized, most committed, most cohesive such subjectivists and
group-think artists. Thus Jews control, lead, and manipulate practically all the other
subjectivistic and satanists among the goyim who vastly out-number Jews–this satanism
is crux of their psychologic power. And note satanism is also secular
philosophy–extreme subjectivism–parallel to "religious" Talmudism–it
doesn't matter if a Jew says he's "atheist." Thus Jews are most organized CRIMINALS and
psychopaths, as we see in Israeli terror-state. Q.E.D.
@Parisian Guy
It's probably true that the lend-lease act played only a minor role in the Soviet Union's
victory. Many people don't realize this, but the principal beneficiary of the lend-lease act
was not the USSR, but rather the UK. In fact, Britain, whose population then was then about
one-quarter of what the Soviet Union's was, received more than three times as much aid
as the Soviets did. Per capita, that means they got twelve times more aid than the
USSR.
But some people are destined to go on believing that surplus US jeeps turned the tide on
the Eastern Front. So be it
The lies about unc' Adolf's parentage are mere concoction of Jews, beginning w. a couple
of them, named Langer, a common Jew name, and his brother, a psychologist, the first one
having been appointed head of the Research and Analysis Section of the OSS, no less. The lies
center upon the un-founded assertion that Hitler's grandmother was a domestic servant who
worked for Jews. On contrary, it's known Maria Schickelgruber didn't need such employment as
she was not poor, her parents having retired rather well-off, she inheriting significant
funds:
"2. Maria Anna Schicklgruber was not a poor housemaid who worked for wealthy Jewish
families. The daughter of Johann Schicklgruber, a prosperous farmer in possession of a
well-appointed farm in the village of Strones, and Theresia Pfseisinger, she was born in 1795
and is described by Maser as a thrifty, reserved and exceptionally shrewd peasant woman. She
gives every appearance of having been strong-minded, a trait that was passed down to her son
Alois and her grandson, Adolf.
"3. Maria Anna Schicklgruber's brother, Jakob, purchased the family farm from his father
for 3000 gulden when the father was only 53 years old. Maria's mother, Theresia, had just
inherited 210 gulden from her father's total estate of 1054 gulden, so the parents felt
prosperous enough to retire. To put the value of 3000 gulden in perspective: a cow at that
time could be purchased for 10 to 12 gulden; a brood sow cost 4 gulden; a bed w/bedding was 2
gulden; an inn with stabling could be had for 450 to 500 gulden. As you can see, 3000 gulden
was a substantial amount.
"4. Maria Anna, at the age of 26, inherited 74.25 gulden at the death of her mother in
1821. She kept this sum in the Orphans' Fund until 1838, earning 5% interest. By then, it had
increased to 165 gulden, over double the original amount. Her son was not born until June
1837 when she was 42 yrs. old."
And there were no Jews in the vicinity:
"A) From the end of the 15th Century until a decade after Maria Anna died, no Jews lived
in Graz. They had been expelled by Emperor Maximilian I in 1496 from the province of Styria,
which included Graz. In 1781, under Joseph II, they were allowed to re-enter, but only for a
few weeks at a time, during Lent and at the Feast of St. Giles to the annual Fairs, after
paying a fixed sum. Two years later, these rights were again curtailed, and it remained
enforced until 1860 that no Jews whatsoever could even enter the province."
"12. The Rothschild in Vienna story: This is debunked for the same reasons. Maria Anna
Schicklgruber did not visit or live in Vienna, and there is no record of who these
Rothschilds were, their address or other necessary information."
@Christo Not
sure what the reliability of your source is. For instance, it pretend that USSR used lot of
US made planes, and went upto copy without permission the design of the Boeing B-29. But the
B29 was not operational before the summer of 1944
One cannot say this american source is unbiased.
My point is: all this story did not went public before the demise of USSR. If it was true,
it would have not wait for so long. It looks like that story was not to sustainable before
the USSR voice went mute.
There are other cases where USSR story has been rewritten after its death.
He apparently admitted to his staff he was Jewish descent himself.
Journalists determined Hitler's Y-DNA (paternal line) to be haplogroup E-M35
("E1b1b1″) by testing some of his male relatives back around 2010. It led to a few
typically deprecatory articles around that time that he might be of Jewish or African origin.
E-M35 was also Albert Einstein's haplogroup. However, there are subgroups under E-M35 that
can be detected by a slightly more comprehensive deep clade test.
I find it hard to believe that the journalists didn't spring for the extra hundred dollars
or so needed for a deep clade test. The results have probably been kept out of the news for
some reason. There may be good humanitarian reasons, such as to shield innocent secret
descendants. But complete results could settle the longstanding question of his illegitimate
father's paternity. The most common rumor is that Alois Hitler's mother worked in the Jewish
Frankenberger household of Graz and was impregnated by the 19 year old son Leopold
Frankenberger. However, there is a declassified US Government report on the CIA website that
states that Schuschnigg's pre-Anschluss Austrian government researched Hitler's genealogy and
determined that she actually worked for the Vienna Rothschilds. It notes that Hitler's sister
worked for the Jewish Mensa society in Vienna and that Hitler's ability level was more
consistent with a Rothschild than with his putative Austrian peasant background.
Of course Schuschnigg's government was looking for dirt on Hitler, and connecting him with
the Rothschilds would be even juicier than assigning him incidental Jewish ancestry. The
Rothschild paternal line is reported on the Internet to be an entirely different haplogroup.
However, there may be good security reasons to mislead the public on that point. Interesting,
nonetheless.
As I read somewhere, so were about a quarter of the German populaton including many of
his generals, his favourite little girl and his chaffeur.
25% is probably little high, but the rate of intermarriage is Germany was higher than it
had ever been anywhere else in diaspora history, and there were a lot of children. The
liberal reform Judaism movement originated in Germany. The evidence suggests that Jews were
more comfortable among the Germans in many ways than they had ever been in Eastern Europe, at
least until the Balfour Declaration and the associated recrimination in the aftermath of
WWI.
The Daily Mirror ran a unusually flattering article on Hitler and his "favorite little
girl" (who was only 1/4th Jewish) a few months ago. She used to call him "Uncle Hitler."
His chauffeur's name was Emil Maurice, who asked permission to date Hitler's niece, Geli
Raubal. Hitler refused and she shot herself. Hitler thought Maurice was a loyal Nazi and
stood by him, even when his partial Jewish ancestry was revealed.
@Digital
Samizdatthe principal beneficiary of the lend-lease act was not the USSR, but rather
the UK
Thanks for getting the point with comparative datas.
That's so true that lend-lease for UK was regular teaching at schools in France, but
Lend-lease for USSR was never mentionned.
France was allways neutral or pro-US, depending the time or the matter. Thus France had no
motive to teach an History which would hide the USSR lend-lease, if it had been material.
You are a great guy to read, but your economic model is a little defective. You make it
sound like Venezuela would have been OK, but that pesky Amerindian admixture dragged its
average IQ down to 85; so socialism is claimed to be viable if we have the "right"
people.
China has a much higher average IQ, perhaps higher than the US, but as of 1978, its
average living standards were comparable to Kenya, Nigeria, and Mozambique. East Germany was
well below the level of West Germany. North Korea is way below South Korea.
On a scale of 0 to 10, where 10 is pure capitalism (private ownership) and 0 is complete
government control, a country is in trouble economically, regardless of IQ, if it falls below
5. A Nazi government was able to bring about an impressive cyclical recovery during the
1930s, but its longer-term prospects would have depended on whether it allowed market forces
to operate to a reasonable degree.
Hitler was defeated by soviet armies. They had thousands of russian made T34, patriotic
soldiers (more than 10 millions died, against around 0.1 million from US), and smart
generals.
The lend-lease, the trucks and jeeps, and blahblah . Their effect is a myth.
The Soviets were capable of stopping the Germans with their own resources.
They may have been capable of reconquering some lost territory but it would have been a
hard slog with no guarantees of success.
The Lend-Lease equipment, especially the trucks, made it possible for the reconquest to be
complete and for eastern Europe to be overrun, giving the Soviet Union a buffer zone against
any future aggression from the west.
The Soviet achievement was certainly impressive. They went from being lousy at mobile
warfare to being very very good at it. But you can't wage mobile warfare without lots and
lots of trucks and there was no way they could have produced those trucks themselves. The
American trucks allowed the Soviets to concentrate on producing tanks and aircraft.
The Americans were certainly happy to let the Soviets do the hard fighting. Stalingrad,
Kursk, Operation Bagration – these were the battles that won the war.
Alain Soral:
"Marx ****s Hitler", by Guillaume Durocher - The Unz Review
@dfordoom
Richard Overy, 'Why the allies won', New York, London, 1995
USA technical military support of Russia already began in 1933:
Franz Kurowski, 'Balkenkreuz und Roter Stern, Der Luftkrieg über Russland 1941 –
1944′, 1984, Friedberg
@apollonian An
unknown book describing how GB steered towards war in the thirties is
Lawrence R. Pratt, 'East of Malta, West of Suez', London, 1975
GB guarantees began at the north side of the Med
@Parisian Guy
Without USA economic support GB could not have fought WWI, nor WWII.
But even with USA economic support the USA had to intervene militarily.
It is hardly ever mentioned anywhere, but by November 1917 Germany would have won the war in
Europe:
Donald McCormick, 'The mask of Merlin, A Critical Study of David Lloyd George', London, 1963
@Andy "
´Als die Deutschen weg waren, Was nach der Vertreibung geschah: Ostpreussen, Schlesien,
Sudetenland', 2005, 2007, Reinbek, Adrian von Arburg, Wlodzimierz Borodziej, Jurij
Kostjaschow, Ulla Lachauer, Hand-Dieter Rutsch, Beate Schlanstein, Christian Schulz "
Trans: After the Geermans had left, what happened after the expulsion.
A quite interesting book about German superiority.
The expulsion of the Germans led to collapse of industries.
Overall, arms sales increased in 2017, with total global sales nearing 400
billion dollars, marking a 2.5 percent increase from last year and the third year of continued
growth for the industry.
Russia comes in second, with year-over-year growth in arms production. In 2017, Russia
provided the world with 10 percent of arms sales, closely followed by The UK.
Only major arms companies were included in this study. China was excluded due to
insufficient data.
Problem with this is that the buyers of all that American weaponry are definitely not got
any 'bang for the proverbial buck' (pun intended). Horrendously overpriced weaponry which in
most instances render less value and effectiveness than similarly available Russian
analogues.
They know, the arms are inferior garbage, it's just like mafioso protection money or
better known as extortion. The charge a fortune for substandard weapons and MIC folks keep
the change. Same as murican tax payers. If there were no boogie men created then what would
be the justification for all the spending on military hardware?
There is no return on investment here. It's money laundering.
Letter of intent only. They have literally purchased none of those orders, despite
repeated US harassment for the 15 Billion for the THAADS to get the ball rolling. All bluster
and boasting and smoke and mirrors.
My suspicion is that SA under MBS is considering switching sides slowly and will purchase
Russian and Chinese instead. If the US had foreknowledge of this, hence the switch in tone re
butchering journalists and Yemenis ... hence why MBS isn't Time Magazine poster boy at the
moment.
Your correct I went back and checked it was order book not delivery,MBS situation is very
interesting with the recent high five with Putin there was some backstory that it was
celebration of a certain US admirals demise that was causing them problems whether true or
not I dont know but it would not surprise me if S400's end up in Saudi Arabia
Remember that old stuff about Krupp being the "Merchant of Death"? Aren't we, like, edging
into that territory? Is this what the Founders and Ratifiers had in mind? Could this enormous
arms trade and our military expenditures and adventures be a clue that we're on the wrong
track?
So much for peace that neoliberal globalization should supposedly bring...
Notable quotes:
"... We face a world of multiple wars some leading to direct global conflagrations and others that begin as regional conflicts but quickly spread to big power confrontations. ..."
"... In our times the US is the principal power in search of world domination through force and violence. Washington has targeted top level targets, namely China, Russia, Iran; secondary objectives Afghanistan, North and Central Africa, Caucuses and Latin America ..."
"... China is the prime enemy of the US for several economic, political and military reasons: China is the second largest economy in the world; its technology has challenged US supremacy it has built global economic networks reaching across three continents. China has replaced the US in overseas markets, investments and infrastructures. ..."
"... In response the US has resorted to a closed protectionist economy at home and an aggressive military led imperial economy abroad. ..."
"... The first line of attack are Chinese exports to the US and its vassals. Secondly, is the expansion of overseas bases in Asia. Thirdly, is the promotion of separatist clients in Hong Kong, Tibet and among the Uighurs. Fourthly, is the use of sanctions to bludgeon EU and Asian allies into joining the economic war against China. China has responded by expanding its military security, expanding its economic networks and increasing economic tariffs on US exports ..."
"... The US economic war has moved to a higher level by arresting and seizing a top executive of China's foremost technological company, Huawei. ..."
"... Each of the three strategic targets of the US are central to its drive for global dominance; dominating China leads to controlling Asia; regime change in Russia facilitates the total submission of Europe; and the demise of Iran facilitates the takeover of its oil market and US influence of Islamic world. As the US escalates its aggression and provocations we face the threat of a global nuclear war or at best a world economic breakdown. ..."
We face a world of multiple wars some
leading to direct global conflagrations and others that begin as regional conflicts but quickly spread to
big power confrontations.
We will proceed to identify 'great power'
confrontations and then proceed to discuss the stages of 'proxy' wars with world war consequences.
In our times the US is the principal
power in search of world domination through force and violence. Washington has targeted top level targets,
namely China, Russia, Iran; secondary objectives Afghanistan, North and Central Africa, Caucuses and Latin
America.
China is the prime enemy of the US for
several economic, political and military reasons: China is the second largest economy in the world; its
technology has challenged US supremacy it has built global economic networks reaching across three
continents. China has replaced the US in overseas markets, investments and infrastructures. China has built
an alternative socio-economic model which links state banks and planning to private sector priorities. On
all these counts the US has fallen behind and its future prospects are declining.
In response the US has resorted to a
closed protectionist economy at home and an aggressive military led imperial economy abroad. President Trump
has declared a
tariff
war on China; and multiple separatist and propaganda war; and aerial
and maritime encirclement of China's mainland
The first line of attack are Chinese
exports to the US and its vassals. Secondly, is the expansion of overseas bases in Asia. Thirdly, is the
promotion of separatist clients in Hong Kong, Tibet and among the Uighurs. Fourthly, is the use of sanctions
to bludgeon EU and Asian allies into joining the economic war against China. China has responded by
expanding its military security, expanding its economic networks and increasing economic tariffs on US
exports.
The US economic war has moved to a higher
level by arresting and seizing a top executive of China's foremost technological company, Huawei.
The White House has moved up the ladder
of aggression from sanctions to extortion to kidnapping. Provocation, is one step up from military
intimidation. The nuclear fuse has been lit.
Russia faces similar threats to its
domestic economy, its overseas allies, especially China and Iran as well as the US renunciation of
intermediate nuclear missile agreement
Iran faces oil sanctions, military
encirclement and attacks on proxy allies including in Yemen, Syria and the Gulf region Washington relies on
Saudi Arabia, Israel and paramilitary terrorist groups to apply military and economic pressure to undermine
Iran's economy and to impose a 'regime change'.
Each of the three strategic targets of
the US are central to its drive for global dominance; dominating China leads to controlling Asia; regime
change in Russia facilitates the total submission of Europe; and the demise of Iran facilitates the takeover
of its oil market and US influence of Islamic world. As the US escalates its aggression and provocations we
face the threat of a global nuclear war or at best a world economic breakdown.
Wars by Proxy
The US has targeted a second tier of
enemies, in Latin America, Asia and Africa.
In Latin America the US has waged
economic warfare against Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua. More recently it has applied political and economic
pressure on Bolivia. To expand its dominance Washington has relied on its vassal allies, including Brazil,
Peru, Chile, Ecuador, Argentina and Paraguay as well as right-wing elites throughout the region
As in numerous other cases of regime
change Washington relies on corrupt judges to rule against President Morales, as well as US foundation
funded NGO's; dissident indigenous leaders and retired military officials. The US relies on local political
proxies to further US imperial goals is to give the appearance of a 'civil war' rather than gross US
intervention.
In fact, once the so-called 'dissidents'
or 'rebels' establish a foot hole, they 'invite' US military advisers, secure military aid and serve as
propaganda weapons against Russia, China or Iran – 'first tier' adversaries.
In recent years US proxy conflicts have
been a weapon of choice in the Kosovo separatist war against Serbia; the Ukraine coup of 2014 and war
against Eastern Ukraine; the Kurd take over of Northern Iraq and Syria; the US backed separatist Uighurs
attack in the Chinese province of Xinjiang.
The US has established 32 military bases
in Africa, to coordinate activities with local warlords and plutocrats. Their proxy wars are discarded as
local conflict between 'legitimate' regimes and Islamic terrorists, tribality and tyrants.
The objective of proxy wars are
threefold. They serve as 'feeders' into larger territorial wars
encircling
China, Russia
and Iran.
Secondly, proxy wars are 'testing
grounds' to measure the vulnerability and responsive capacity of the targeted strategic adversary, i.e.
Russia, China and Iran.
Thirdly, the proxy wars are 'low cost'
and 'low risk' attacks on strategic enemies. The lead up to a major confrontation by stealth.
Equally important 'proxy wars' serve as
propaganda tools, associating strategic adversaries as 'expansionist authoritarian' enemies of 'western
values'.
Conclusion
US empire builders engage in multiple
types of aggression directed at imposing a unipolar world. At the center are trade wars against China;
regional military conflicts with Russia and economic sanctions against Iran.
These large scale, long-term strategic
weapons are complemented by proxy wars, involving regional vassal states which are designed to erode the
economic bases of counting allies of anti-imperialist powers.
Hence, the US attacks China directly via
tariff wars and tries to sabotage its global "Belt and Road' infrastructure projects linking China with 82
counties.
Likewise, the US attacks Russian allies
in Syria via proxy wars, as it did with Iraq, Libya and the Ukraine.
Isolating strategic anti-imperial power
via regional wars, sets the stage for the 'final assault' – regime change by cop or nuclear war.
However, the US quest for world
domination has so far taken steps which have failed to isolate or weaken its strategic adversaries.
China moves forward with its global
infrastructure programs: the trade war has had little impact in isolating it from its principal markets.
Moreover, the US policy has increased China's role as a leading advocate of 'open trade' against President
Trump's protectionism.
ORDER IT NOW
Likewise, the tactics of encircling and
sanctioning Russia has deepened ties between Moscow and Beijing. The US has increased its nominal 'proxies'
in Latin America and Africa but they all depend on trade and investments from China. This is especially true
of agro-mineral exports to China.
Notwithstanding the limits of US power
and its failure to topple regimes, Washington has taken moves to compensate for its failures by escalating
the threats of a global war. It kidnaps Chinese economic leaders; it moves war ships off China's coast; it
allies with neo-fascist elites in the Ukraine. It threatens to bomb Iran. In other words the US political
leaders have embarked on adventurous policies always on the verge of igniting one, too, many nuclear fuses.
It is easy to imagine how a failed trade
war can lead to a nuclear war; a regional conflict can entail a greater war.
Can we prevent World War 3? I believe it
will happen. The US economy is built on fragile foundations; its elites are deeply divided. Its main allies
in France and the UK are in deep crises. The war mongers and war makers lack popular support. There are
reasons to hope!
I disagree. The parasitic terror regime that runs washington believe they can win a nuclear war, i have no
hope left for peace. They need a culling of the "useless eaters", we are stealing the food out of their poor
frightened children`s mouths by existing.
Eric Zuesse wrote a decent article yesterday at the Saker blog about the US nuclear forces and its owners
wet dream.
"The U.S. Government's Plan Is to Conquer Russia by a Surprise Invasion"
The actions of nato/EU/UK/ISR/KSA etc certainly supports his article, at least in my opinion.
The US, and the West, by instigating wars elsewhere, and selling weapons to
those, destroy countries and prosperity abroad. Those living in target countries find themselves miserable,
with loss of everything. It is only natural that they may try to escape a living hell by emigrating to the
West.
People in the US and the West in general will not want mass immigration, and with good reason; but if you
were in a war torn country or an impoverished country (as a result of western "help") you would also attempt
to move away from the bombs, etc.
If the West left the rest of the world alone (in terms of their regimes and in terms of their weapons),
they might prosper and no longer need to run away from their home countries.
The sanctions and embargoes have failed in the past, when China was much weaker, so we can be quite
confident that they will fail again, and quickly, as this timeline suggests:
September 3, 2018
:
Huawei unveils Kirin 980 CPU, the world's first commercial 7nm system-on-chip (SoC) and the first to use
Cortex-A76 cores, dual neural processing units, Mali G76 GPU, a 1.4 Gbps LTE modem and supports faster RAM.
With 20 percent faster performance and 40 percent less power consumption compared to 10nm systems, it has
twice the performance of Qualcomm's Snapdragon 845 and Apple's A11 while delivering noticeable battery life
improvement. Its Huawei-patented modem has the world's fastest Wi-Fi and its GPS receiver taps L5 frequency
to deliver 10cm. positioning.
September 5, 2018
. China's front-end fab capacity will account for 16 percent of the world's
semiconductor capacity this year, increasing to 20 percent by 2020.
September 15, 2018.
China controls one third of 5G patents and has twice as many installations
operating as the rest of the world combined.
September 21, 2018
. China has reached global technological parity and now has twelve of the
world's top fifty IC design houses (China's SMIC is fourth, Huawei's HiSilicon is seventh), and twenty-one
percent of global IC design revenues. Roger Luo, TSMC.
October 2, 2018
. Chinese research makes up 18.6 percent of global STEM peer-reviewed papers, ahead
of the US at 18 percent. "The fact that China's article output is now the largest is very significant. It's
been predicted for a while, but there was a view this was not likely to happen until 2025," said Michael
Mabe, head of STM.
October 14, 2018
. Huawei announces 7 nm Ascend 910 chipset for data centers, twice as powerful as
Nvidia's v100 and the first AI IP chip series to natively provide optimal TeraOPS per watt in all scenarios.
Available 2Q19.
October 7, 2018
: China becomes largest recipient of FDI in H1, attracting an estimated 70 billion
U.S. dollars, according to UNCTAD.
October 8, 2018:
Taiwan's Foxconn moves its major semiconductor maker and five integrated circuit
design companies to Jinan, China.
October 22, 2018
. China becomes world leader in venture capital, ahead of the US and almost twice
the rest of the world's $53.4 billion YTD. The Crunchbase report says the entrepreneurial ecosystem in the
world is undergoing a major transformation: it is now driven by China instead of the US.
Isolating strategic anti-imperial power via regional wars, sets the stage for the 'final assault' –
regime change by cop or nuclear war
good article.
Only idiot can believe that nuclear war can be won, IMHO. Elites aren't suicidal, oh no. On the contrary.
Can they make a mistake and cause that war, definitely.
Which brings us to the important part:
Can we prevent World War 3? I believe it will happen. The US economy is built on fragile foundations;
its elites are deeply divided. Its main allies in France and the UK are in deep crises. The war mongers
and war makers lack popular support.
Agree, but, that's
exactly
the reason I disagree with:
There are reasons to hope!
No need to be pedantic, of course there is always a reason for hope.
But, I see it as
so
fertile ground for making
The MISTAKE
.
Can we prevent World War 3? I believe it will happen. The US economy is built on fragile foundations;
its elites are deeply divided. Its main allies in France and the UK are in deep crises. The war mongers
and war makers lack popular support. There are reasons to hope!
It's when the elite war mongers' backs are up against the wall that they come up with a cleverly designed
false flag attack to rally public support for war. They are more dangerous now than ever.
Agree about Russia and China, however Iran needs to be viewed not as a play for oil or the Islamic crowd but
driven wholly and solely by Israel. Iran is not a threat to US in any context, only Israel.
question:
If the relatively small tariffs on Chinese goods amount to 'direct attacks on China', then what are the
massive tariffs by China on US goods?
The "Chess men" behind "The Wall Street Economy" have stated a few times that the only way to remain the
dominant economy is to first: convince rivals that resistance is futile, and second:
to atomize any
potential rival
(Ghaddaffi is a clear example).
Breaking up Russia has been on the to-do list for
decades, and I believe that the Chess Men have no idea what to do about containing China, and are clearly
flat-footed, and
desperate
kidnapping a Chinese business executive.
The Wall Street Economy depended on cheap Chinese labor it's own profits, and that was Ok until .?
Until the writing on the Wall became ledgible .
The smell of genuine fear is in the air.
" The war mongers and war makers lack popular support. There are reasons to hope! "
Is popular support
needed to get a people in a war mood ?
Both Pearl Harbour and Sept 11 demonstrate, in my opinion, that it is not very difficult to create a war
mood.
Yet, if another Sept 11 would do the trick, I wonder.
Sept 11 has been debated without without interruption since Sept 11.
After the 1946 USA Senate investigation into Pearl Harbour the USA government succeeded in preventing a
similar discussion.
Until now the west, Deep State, NATO, EU did not succeed in provoking Russia or China.
Each time they tried something, in my opinion they did this several times, Russia showed its military
superiority, at the same time taking care not to hurt public opinion in the west.
Is not it amazing that the morally miserable US, a "power in search of world domination through force and
violence," is officially governed by self-avowed pious X-tians. What kind of corruption among the high-level
clergy protects the satanists Pompeo, Bush, Rice, Clinton, Obama, Blair and such from excommunication?
"Washington does little to nothing to restore peace and help the devastated region to recover from the
long war, while its [US] airstrikes
continue to rack up civilian deaths
At the same time, the US
military presence at the Al-Tanf airbase and the "armed gangs" around it prevent refugees from returning
home."
– Nothing new. The multi-denominational Syria has been pounded by the US-supported "moderate" terrorists
(armed with US-provided arms and with UK-provided chemical weaponry) to satisfy the desires of
Israel-firsters, arm-dealers and the multitude of war-profiteers that have been fattening their pockets at
the US/UK taxpayers' expense.
"Timber Sycamore" [initiated by Obama] is the most important arms trafficking operation in History. It
involves at least 17 governments. The transfer of weapons, meant for jihadist organizations, is carried out
by Silk Way Airlines, a Azerbaïdjan public company of cargo planes."
@Godfree Roberts
Huawei can announce whatever, there are much more experienced adversaries(IBM, intel and ARM) who can`t beat
nV in computation, and especially in integration of silicon. Guess who`s running inference and computer
vision in all these car autopilots.
I think we could have an economic collapse like the Soviet Union had , or like Argentina had in 2001 with
the " corralito "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corralito
.
Being the complex and global society that we are , it would be a disaster , it would produce hunger ,
misery and all types of local wars .
"Notwithstanding the limits of US power and its failure to topple regimes "
Have to agree with that
statement. Seriously, wherein is this vaunted "superpower" that our American politicians always yap about?
All I've seen in my lifetime is our military getting its butt kicked in Cuba, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq,
Afghanistan. What, besides insanity and hubris, makes them think they could win anything much less a war
against Iran, China or Russia?
Mostly accurate, but 'closed protectionist society' ! Hardly. It's still very difficult to buy any
manufactured goods made in this country. Of course this is part of the World economic circle countries use
the US Dollar for all trade. They need dollars. We can print them and receive real goods in return. This has
been going around and around for decades. It may come to an end in the not-too-distant future, but it has a
lot of inertia.
@jilles dykstra
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship,
or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce
the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY
COUNTRY."
The only threat to patriotic Americans is Zionism which has ruled the U.S. since it took control over the
money supply and the taxes via the privately owned Zionist FED and IRS and has given America nothing to wars
and economic destruction since the FED and IRS were put in place by the Zionist banking kabal in 1913 and
both are UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
The threat is not from China or Russia or Iran etc., the threat is from within
the U.S. government which is controlled in every facet by the Zionists and dual citizens and is as foreign
to the American people as if it were from MARS!
Until the American people wake up to the fact that we are slaves on a Zionist plantation and are used as
pawns in the Zionist goal of a satanic Zionist NWO and abolish the FED and IRS and break the chains of
slavery that the FED and IRS have place upon us, until then nothing will change and the wars and economic
destruction by the Zionist kabal will continue!
Read The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed and The Committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman and The
Protocols of Zion, to see the Zionist satanic NWO plan.
Lost me at Kurd takeover of northern Iraq/Syria. The Kurds have defacto owned those areas since 1991, and
earlier. Saddam gassing the Kurds didn't accomplish anything except for making himself a target, no Arab
lived in those areas, the Kurds would kill them.
Nov 28, 2018 Belt & Road Billionaire in Massive Bribery Scandal
The bribery trial of Dr. Patrick Ho, a
pitchman for a Chinese energy company, lifts the lid on how the Chinese regime relies on graft to cut Belt
and Road deals in its global push for economic and geopolitical dominance.
I agree with Bob Sykes' commentary over on Instapundit:
Well, our "anti-ISIS" model in eastern Syria consists of defending ISIS against attacks by the Syrian
government, allowing them to pump and export Syrian oil for their profit, arming them and allowing them
to recruit new fighters. I suppose that means we should be arming the Taliban.
ISIS was created by the CIA to fight against Assad. But they slipped the leash and became the fighting
force for the dissident Sunni Arabs all along the Euphrates Valley. We only began to oppose them when
their rebellion reached the outskirts of Baghdad, and even then the bulk of the fighting was done by
Iraq's Shias and Iran. Now we are transferring them, or many of them, into secure (for ISIS) areas of
Iraq.
The three U.S. presidents, six secretaries of defense and five chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff are, in fact, war criminals, in exactly the same sense that Hitler, Goebels, Goering, Himmler et
al. were war criminals.
Those presidents, secretaries and generals launched wars of aggression
against Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Libya, Yemen not one of which threatened us
in any way. They engineered coups d'état against two friendly governments, Egypt and Turkey.
Now the
fake American, anti-American neocons want to attack Iran, Venezuela, North Korea and even Russia and
China.
Green needs to get his head out of his arse. We, the US, are the great rogue terrorist state. We are
the evil empire. We are the chief source of death and destruction in the world. How many hundreds of
thousands of civilians have we murdered in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia? How many cities have
we bombed flat like Raqqa and Mosel. Putin is a saint compared to any US President.
Iran has always been at the center of the Great Game, the key square on the board to block
Eurasia.You must either control Afghanistan AND Pakistan or Iran.
With Pakistan now in the SCO, Iran is a US imperative.
Israels antipathy is secondary and a useful foil, not the primary motive.
Read MacKinder, the imperial power has changed, not the strategy.
How is it possible for anyone to write an article titled:
A World of Multiple Detonators of Global Wars
without mentioning the Principal Detonator of Global Wars?? The Elephant!
The United States of America is no longer a Sovereign Nation.
The Local Political Power Elite (C. Wright Mills term), serve, are Minions, of the Zionist Jewish
Financial Terrorist Initiators and Controllers of the Global New World Order.
I would express this point in stronger terms, but I have not yet finished my coffee. The "Mulitiple
Detonators" Petras discusses are useless unless Triggered by the Global Controllers.
A Slight Digression: maybe:
Petras may have written his exposé this way, understanding that he might safely avoid mention of the
anti-Semitic (they hate Palestinians and other Arabs – actual Semites), Zionist Land Thieves, because a
clueless Anarchist would appear and complete his article for him. If that is the case, I want half of the $
Unz is paying Petras for this article.
In Conclusion: and by the number###:
1. The American Power Elite and servile Politicians in America's Knesset in Washington DC, do not go to the
Bathroom, without permission from their Zionist Oligarch masters.
2. The American Gauleters, Quislings, (better known as Traitors), serve the Rothschild and other Foreign
Oligarchs. Recently, only 1, of 100 'Senators' demanded that there be a discussion of the Bill to send
another $35 Billion gift to the Zionist occupiers of Palestine. Poor
Senator Rand Paul
. How many ribs
of his remain to be broken?
We the American people, have one Senator. And he has a great father.
3. Textbooks, Entertainment from Hollywood (key to all mind control), even Dictionaries, have been
ruthlessly censored.
4.
Our elected Zionist slaves in Congress, and all State and local governing bodies, live in fear
of saying (accidentally), some truth, and ending up working at Walmart or 7-11, (if they are lucky).
5. Our young are effectively brainwashed in their schools; they have already been removed from their
parents.
6. Our politicians are bribed with our own tax money (re-routed by the Zionists AIPAC, etc.).
7.
The Zionist Entity has huge Financial Resources
. They should be giving us 'Financial $$ Aid,
not the other way around. Since NAFTA, we have entire cities & tons of infrastructure to rebuild.
Excuse me
: Girlfriend thinks I should go to work.
Petras, I just fleshed out your, otherwise, promising article. You must understand – that
the ethnic
cleansing – genocide, against the Palestinian Nation, by the Terrorist Zionist Oligarchs, is the greatest
single crime being committed on our Planet.
All other crimes stem from this one.
We Americans must Restore Our Republic!
John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, M L King, Malcolm X. John Lennon; we are late, but we are coming.
The threat is not from China or Russia or Iran etc., the threat is from within the U.S. government
which is controlled in every facet by the Zionists and dual citizens and is as foreign to the American
people as if it were from MARS!
One comment:
Until the American people wake up to the fact that we are slaves on a Zionist plantation and are used
as pawns in the Zionist goal of a satanic Zionist NWO and abolish the FED and IRS and break the chains of
slavery that the FED and IRS have place upon us, until then nothing will change and the wars and economic
destruction by the Zionist kabal will continue!
In order to accomplish the above
, we American Citizen Patriots – must Restore Our Republic – that,
with our Last Constitutional President,
John F. Kennedy,
was destroyed by the Zionist Oligarchs and
their American underling traitors, in a hail of bullets, on November 22, 1963.
@Miro23
" same sense that Hitler, Goebels, Goering, Himmler et al. were war criminals. "
Why were they war criminals ?
Because of the Neurenberg farce ?; farce according to the chairman of the USA Supreme Court in 1945:
Bruce Allen Murphy, 'The Brandeis/Frankfurter Connection, The Secret Political Activities of Two Supreme
Court Justices', New York, 1983
Churchill and Lindemann in fact murdered some two million German civilians, women, children, old men. Not a
crime ?
Churchill refused the May 1941 Rudolf Hess peace proposal, not a crime ?
FDR deliberately provoked Pearl Harbour, some 2700 casualties, his pretcxt for war, not a crime ?
900.000 German hunger deaths between the 1918 cease fire and Versailles, the British food blockade, not a
crime ?
Will these wild accusations ever stop ?
I am all for the mother of all wars; however, it isn't going to come anytime soon, nay, not in our lifetime
but when it does appear on the next century's horizon, it would be cathartic to all concerned. Rejoice!
Europe is realigning. England leaving Euro. French population is in upheaval. Eventually France will leave
the Euro also.Most of German tourists now are going to Croatia. Italy is loosing tourists.
Italy living standard is declining. Germany is being pushed inevitably toward cooperation with Russia. Only
supporter of Ukraine will remain USA. Ukraine will be only burden.
Brussels power will evaporate. NATO will remain only on paper and will cease to be reality.
.
This will be great step toward peace in the world.
US is treating its allies as used toilet paper.
Obviously Kashogi was sentenced to death for high treason in absence. The sentence was carried out on Saudi
Arabia's territory. So in reality it is nobody's business.
All hula-buu did happen because he was a reporter working for warmongering Zionist New york times.
@Durruti
I agree with you partly, especially when it comes to the US regarding Zionism and the power of the Israel
lobby to influence US foreign policy and even domestic policy.
But when it comes to Global governance, you have a somewhat narrow minded approach.
Most of the ills today that happen in the world, is driven by the NEW WORLD ORDER OF NEOLIBERAL
GLOBALIZATION.
Unrelated phenomena, such as the destruction in the Middle East (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria), the
destruction of Yugoslavia, the coup in Ukraine and the Greek economic catastrophe are a consequence of this
NWO expansion. NWO expansion is the phasing out of national sovereignty (through economic and/or military
violence) and its replacement by a kind of transnational sovereignty administered by a Transnational Elite.
This is the network of the elites mainly based in the G7 countries, which control the world economic and
political/ military institutions (WTO, IMF, World Bank, EU, European Central Bank, NATO, UN and so on), as
well as the global media that set the agenda of the 'world community'.
The US is an important part of this since it provides the Military Means to integrate countries that do not
"comply" with the NWO dictates.
The Zionists carry a lot of blame and are part of that drive for this NWO, but there are others, most of
them in the US and Europe.
Here's a good link to an article if you have time, with good info about NWO & Trasnational corporations
that are mainly to blame about all the worlds and misery in our world today.
@WHAT
back door Intel
,
embedded ARM
Open source Red Hat-IBM
Hummm?.
I am not so sure, Mr. What. Experience may not mean much to abused IAI consumers. even if IAI catches up
to the exponential fundamentals achieved by Huawei consumers might prefer back-door-free equipment and
Operating Systems.
Russian times reported a few weeks ago that Russia has a quite different new processor and an OS that
does not use any IAI stuff and is developing a backup Internet for Russians which it expects to expand
regionally,
"What we have then, are criminal syndicates masquerading as philanthropic enterprises
Norman Dodd, director of research for the (U.S.) REECE COMMITTEE in its attempt to investigate tax exempt
foundations, stated:
"The Foundation world is a coordinated, well-directed system, the purpose of which is to ensure that the
wealth of our country shall be used to divorce it from the ideas which brought it into being."
The Rothschilds rule the U.S. through the foundations, the Council on foreign Relations, and the Federal
Reserve System, with no serious challenges to their power. Expensive 'political campaigns' are routinely
conducted, with carefully screened candidates who are pledged to the program of the WORLD ORDER. Should they
deviate from the program, they would have an 'accident', be framed on a sex charge, or indicted on some
financial irregularity.
Senator Moynihan stated in his book, "Loyalties", "A British friend, wise in the ways of the world, put
it thus: "They are now on page 16 of the Plan." Moynihan prudently did not ask what page 17 would bring.
"Tavistock's pioneer work in behavioural science along Freudian lines of 'controlling' humans established
it as the world center of FOUNDATION ideology.
[MORE]
Its network extends from the University of Sussex to the U.S. through the Standford Research
Institute, Esalen, MIT, Hudson Institute, HERITAGE FOUNDATION, Centre of Strategic and International
Studies at Georgetown, where State Dept personnel are trained, US Air Force Intelligence, and the Rand
and Mitre corporations.
(at the time of writing, 1992) Today the Tavistock Institute operates a $6 billion a year network
of foundations in the U.S., all of it funded by U.S. taxpayers' money. Ten major institutions are
under its direct control, with 400 subsidiaries, and 3000 other study groups and think tanks which
originate many types of programs to increase the control of the WORLD ORDER over the American people.
The personnel of the FOUNDATIONS are required to undergo indoctrination at one or more of these
Tavistock controlled institutions.
A network of secret groups – the MONT PELERIN SOCIETY, TRILATERAL COMMISSION, DITCHLEY FOUNDATION,
and CLUB OF ROME is the conduit for instructions to the Tavistock network.
Tavistock Institute developed the mass brain-washing techniques which were first used
experimentally on AMERICAN prisoners of war in KOREA.
Its experiments in crowd control methods have been widely used on the American public, a
surreptitious but nevertheless outrageous assault on human freedom by modifying individual behaviour
through topical psychology.
A German refugee, Kurt Lewin, became director of Tavistock in 1932. He came to the U.S. in 1933 as
a 'refugee', the first of many infiltrators, and set up the Harvard Psychology Clinic, which
originated the propaganda campaign to turn the American public against Germany and involve the U.S. in
WWII.
In 1938, Roosevelt executed a secret agreement with Churchill which in effect ceded U.S.
sovereignty to England, because it agreed to let Special Operations Executive control U.S. policies.
To implement this agreement, Roosevelt sent General Donovan to London for indoctrination before
setting up the OSS (now the CIA) under the aegis of SOE-SIS. The entire OSS program, as well as the
CIA has always worked on guidelines set up by the Tavistock Institute.
Tavistock Institute originated the mass civilian bombing raids [against the German people] carried
out by [the ALL LIES] Roosevelt and Churchill as a clinical experiment in mass terror, keeping records
of the results as they watched the "guinea pigs" reacting under "controlled laboratory conditions".
All Tavistock and American foundation techniques have a single goal – to break down the
psychological strength of the individual and render him helpless to oppose the dictators of the WORLD
ORDER.
Any technique which helps to break down the family unit, and family inculcated principles of
religion, honor, patriotism and sexual behaviour, is used by the Tavistock scientists as weapons of
crowd control.
The methods of Freudian psychotherapy induce permanent mental illness in those who undergo this
treatment by destabilizing their character. The victim is then advised to 'establish new rituals of
personal interactions', that is, to indulge in brief sexual encounters which actually set the
participants adrift with no stable personal relationships in their lives – destroying their ability to
establish or maintain a family.
Tavistock Institute has developed such power in the U.S. that no one achieves prominence in any
field unless he has been trained in behavioural science at Tavistock or one of its subsidiaries.
Tavistock maintains 2 schools at Frankfort, birthplace of the Rothschilds, the FRANKFURT SCHOOL, and
the Sigmund Freud Institute.
The 'experiment' in compulsory racial integration in the U.S. was organized by Ronald Lippert of
the OSS (forerunner of CIA) and the American Jewish Congress, and director of child training at the
Commission on Community Relations.
The program was designed to break down the individual's sense of personal knowledge in his
identity, his racial heritage. Through the Stanford Research Institute, Tavistock controls the
National Education Association.
The Institute of Social Research at the Natl Training Lab brain washes the leading executives of
business and government.
Another prominent Tavistock operation is the WHARTON SCHOOL OF FINANCE.
A single common denominator identifies the common Tavistock strategy – the use of drugs such as the
infamous MK Ultra program of the CIA, directed by Dr Sidney Gottlieb, in which unsuspecting CIA
officials were given LSD and their reactions studied like guinea pigs, resulting in several deaths –
no one was ever indicted.
(Source of info: author Eustace Mullins "The World Order: Our Secret Rulers" 2nd ed. 1992. He
dedicated his book "to American patriots and their passion for liberty". note: No copyright
restrictions)
@Agent76
Excellent video. More people need to see this to understand how corrupt the China Totalitarian state works
behind the scenes along with the US as part of the Globalization NWO movement to enrich the few and
impoverish the rest of the world population.
The subtitle of this effusively admiring biography of Zbigniew Brzezinski, America's Grand Strategist, does not reflect its
true purpose. A more accurate one might be this: "Just as Smart as the Other Guy." The other guy, of course, is Henry Kissinger. The
implicit purpose of Justin Vaïsse's book is to argue that in his mastery of strategic thought and practice, Brzezinski ranks as Kissinger's
equal.
Notable quotes:
"... That Brzezinski, who died last year at age 89, lived a life that deserves to be recounted and appraised is certainly the case. Born in Warsaw in 1928 to parents with ties to Polish nobility, Brzezinski had a peripatetic childhood. ..."
"... After graduating from McGill, Brzezinski set his sights on Harvard, which at the time was the very archetype of a "Cold War university." Senior faculty and young scholars on the make were volunteering to advise the national-security apparatus just then forming in Washington. For many of them, the Soviet threat appeared to eclipse all other questions and fields of inquiry. In this setting, Brzezinski flourished. Even before becoming an American citizen, he was thoroughly Americanized, imbued with the mind-set that prevailed in circles where members of the power elite mixed and mingled. Partially funded by the CIA, the Russian Research Center, Brzezinski's home at Harvard, was one of those places. ..."
"... From his time in Cambridge, he emerged committed, in his own words, to "nothing less than formulating a coherent strategy for the United States, so that we could eventually dismantle the Soviet bloc" and, not so incidentally, thereby liberate Poland. To this cause, the young Brzezinski devoted himself with single-minded energy. ..."
"... Convinced that the Soviet Union and the Soviet bloc were internally fragile, he believed that economic and cultural interaction with the West would ultimately lead to their collapse. The idea was to project strength without provoking confrontation, while patiently exerting indirect influence. ..."
"... This limited academic influence probably did not bother Zbig; he never saw himself as a mere scholar. He was a classic in-and-outer, rotating effortlessly from university campuses to political campaigns, and from government service to plummy think-tank billets. According to Vaïsse, Brzezinski never courted the media. Even so, he demonstrated a pronounced talent for getting himself in front of TV cameras, becoming a frequent guest on programs like Meet the ..."
"... Toward the end of his life, Brzezinski even had a Twitter account. His last tweet, from May 2017, both summarizes the essence of his worldview and expresses his dismay regarding the presidency of Donald Trump: "Sophisticated US leadership is the sine qua non of a stable world order. However, we lack the former while the latter is getting worse." ..."
"... Although not an ideologue, Brzezinski was a liberal Democrat of a consistently hawkish persuasion. Committed to social justice at home, he was also committed to toughness abroad. In the 1960s, he supported US intervention in Vietnam, treated the domino theory as self-evidently true, and argued that, with American credibility on the line, the United States had no alternative but to continue prosecuting the war. Even after the war ended, Vaïsse writes, Brzezinski "did not view Vietnam as a mistake." ..."
"... Yet Vietnam did nudge Brzezinski to reconsider some of his own assumptions. In the early 1970s, with an eye toward forging a new foreign policy that might take into account some of the trauma caused by Vietnam, he organized the Trilateral Commission. Apart from expending copious amounts of Rockefeller money, the organization produced little of substance. For Brzezinski, however, it proved a smashing success. It was there that he became acquainted with Jimmy Carter, a Georgia governor then contemplating a run for the presidency in 1976. ..."
"... When Carter won, he rewarded Brzezinski by appointing him national-security adviser, the job that had vaulted Kissinger to the upper ranks of global celebrity. ..."
"... Because of Brzezinski's limited influence on foreign policy after Carter, Vaïsse's case for installing him in the pantheon of master strategists therefore rests on the claim that on matters related to foreign policy, the Carter presidency was something less than a bust. Vaïsse devotes the core of his book to arguing just that. Although valiant, the effort falls well short of success. ..."
"... From the outset of his administration, Carter accorded his national-security adviser remarkable deference. Brzezinski was not co-equal with the president; yet neither was he a mere subordinate. He was, Vaïsse writes, "the architect of Carter's foreign policy," while also exercising "an exceptional degree of control" over its articulation and implementation. ..."
"... The disintegration of the Soviet bloc and eventually of the Soviet Union itself was, in his view, a nominal goal of American foreign policy, but not an immediate prospect. ..."
"... The Camp David accords did nothing to resolve the Palestinian issue that underlay much of Israeli-Arab enmity; it produced a dead-end peace that left Palestinians without a state and Israel with no end of problems. And the Brzezinski-engineered embrace of China, enhancing Chinese access to American technology and markets, accelerated that country's emergence as a peer competitor. ..."
Underlying that purpose are at least two implicit assumptions. The first is that, when it comes to statecraft, grand strategy
actually exists, not simply as an aspiration but as a discrete and identifiable element. The second is that, in his writings and
contributions to US policy, Kissinger himself qualifies as a strategic virtuoso. For all sorts of reasons, we should treat both of
these assumptions with considerable skepticism.
That Brzezinski, who died last year at age 89, lived a life that deserves to be recounted and appraised is certainly the case.
Born in Warsaw in 1928 to parents with ties to Polish nobility, Brzezinski had a peripatetic childhood. His father was a diplomat
whose family accompanied him on postings to France, Germany, and eventually to Canada. The Nazi invasion of 1939, which extinguished
Polish independence, also effectively ended his father's diplomatic career. With war engulfing nearly all of Europe, Brzezinski would
not set foot on Polish soil again for nearly two decades.
Although the young Brzezinski quickly adapted to life in Canada, the well-being of Poles and Poland remained an abiding preoccupation.
After the war, he studied economics and political science at McGill University, focusing in particular on the Soviet Union, which
by then had replaced Germany as the power that dominated the country of his birth. Brzezinski was a brilliant student with a particular
interest in international affairs, a field increasingly centered on questions related to America's role in presiding over the postwar
global order.
After graduating from McGill, Brzezinski set his sights on Harvard, which at the time was the very archetype of a "Cold War university."
Senior faculty and young scholars on the make were volunteering to advise the national-security apparatus just then forming in Washington.
For many of them, the Soviet threat appeared to eclipse all other questions and fields of inquiry. In this setting, Brzezinski flourished.
Even before becoming an American citizen, he was thoroughly Americanized, imbued with the mind-set that prevailed in circles where
members of the power elite mixed and mingled. Partially funded by the CIA, the Russian Research Center, Brzezinski's home at Harvard,
was one of those places.
From his time in Cambridge, he emerged committed, in his own words, to "nothing less than formulating a coherent strategy for
the United States, so that we could eventually dismantle the Soviet bloc" and, not so incidentally, thereby liberate Poland. To this
cause, the young Brzezinski devoted himself with single-minded energy.
A s a scholar and author of works intended for a general audience, Zbig, as he was widely known, was nothing if not prolific.
Churning out a steady stream of well-regarded books and essays, he demonstrated a particular knack for "summarizing things in a concise
and striking way."
Clarity took precedence over nuance.
And with his gift for stylish packaging -- crafting neologisms ("technetronic")
and high-sounding phrases ("Histrionics as History in Transition") -- his analyses had the appearance of novelty, even if they often
lacked real substance.
Whether writing for his fellow scholars or addressing a wider audience, Brzezinski had one big idea when it
came to Cold War strategy: He promoted the concept of "peaceful engagement" as a basis for US policy.
Convinced that the Soviet Union
and the Soviet bloc were internally fragile, he believed that economic and cultural interaction with the West would ultimately lead
to their collapse. The idea was to project strength without provoking confrontation, while patiently exerting indirect influence.
Yet little of the Brzezinski oeuvre has stood the test of time. The American canon of essential readings in international relations
and strategy, beginning with George Washington's farewell address and continuing on through works by John Quincy Adams, Alfred Thayer
Mahan, Hans Morgenthau, and a handful of others (the list is not especially long), does not include anything penned by Brzezinski.
Although Vaïsse, a senior official with the French foreign ministry, appears to have read and pondered just about every word his
subject wrote or uttered, he identifies nothing of Brzezinski's that qualifies as must-reading for today's aspiring strategist.
This limited academic influence probably did not bother Zbig; he never saw himself as a mere scholar. He was a classic in-and-outer,
rotating effortlessly from university campuses to political campaigns, and from government service to plummy think-tank billets.
According to Vaïsse, Brzezinski never courted the media. Even so, he demonstrated a pronounced talent for getting himself in front
of TV cameras, becoming a frequent guest on programs like Meet the Press . He knew how to self-promote.
Toward the end of his life, Brzezinski even had a Twitter account. His last tweet, from May 2017, both summarizes the essence
of his worldview and expresses his dismay regarding the presidency of Donald Trump: "Sophisticated US leadership is the sine qua
non of a stable world order. However, we lack the former while the latter is getting worse."
F rom the time Brzezinski left Harvard in 1960 to accept a tenured position at Columbia, he made it his mission to nurture and
facilitate that sophistication. For Zbig, New York offered a specific advantage over Cambridge: It provided a portal into elite political
circles. As it had for Kissinger, the then-still-influential Council on Foreign Relations provided a venue that enabled Brzezinski
to curry favor with the rich and powerful, and to establish his bona fides as a statesman to watch. Henry's patron was Nelson Rockefeller;
Zbig's was Nelson's brother David.
Although not an ideologue, Brzezinski was a liberal Democrat of a consistently hawkish persuasion. Committed to social justice
at home, he was also committed to toughness abroad. In the 1960s, he supported US intervention in Vietnam, treated the domino theory
as self-evidently true, and argued that, with American credibility on the line, the United States had no alternative but to continue
prosecuting the war. Even after the war ended, Vaïsse writes, Brzezinski "did not view Vietnam as a mistake."
Yet Vietnam did nudge Brzezinski to reconsider some of his own assumptions. In the early 1970s, with an eye toward forging a new
foreign policy that might take into account some of the trauma caused by Vietnam, he organized the Trilateral Commission. Apart from
expending copious amounts of Rockefeller money, the organization produced little of substance. For Brzezinski, however, it proved
a smashing success. It was there that he became acquainted with Jimmy Carter, a Georgia governor then contemplating a run for the
presidency in 1976.
Zbig and Jimmy hit it off. Soon enough, Brzezinski signed on as the candidate's principal foreign-policy adviser. When Carter
won, he rewarded Brzezinski by appointing him national-security adviser, the job that had vaulted Kissinger to the upper ranks of
global celebrity.
Zbig held this post throughout Carter's one-term presidency, from 1977 to 1981. It would be his first and last time in government.
After 1981, Brzezinski went back to writing, continued to opine, and was occasionally consulted by Carter's successors, both Democratic
and Republican. Yet despite having ascended to the rank of elder statesman, never again did Brzezinski occupy a position where he
could directly affect US policy.
Because of Brzezinski's limited influence on foreign policy after Carter, Vaïsse's case for installing him in the pantheon of
master strategists therefore rests on the claim that on matters related to foreign policy, the Carter presidency was something less
than a bust. Vaïsse devotes the core of his book to arguing just that. Although valiant, the effort falls well short of success.
From the outset of his administration, Carter accorded his national-security adviser remarkable deference. Brzezinski was not
co-equal with the president; yet neither was he a mere subordinate. He was, Vaïsse writes, "the architect of Carter's foreign policy,"
while also exercising "an exceptional degree of control" over its articulation and implementation.
In a characteristic display of self-assurance and bureaucratic shrewdness, as the new president took office, Brzezinski gave him
a 43-page briefing book prescribing basic administration policy. Under the overarching theme of "constructive global engagement,"
Brzezinski identified 10 specific goals. The first proposed to "create more active and solid cooperation with Europe and Japan,"
the 10th to "maintain a defense posture designed to dissuade the Soviet Union from committing hostile acts." In between were less-than-modest
aspirations to promote human rights, reduce the size of nuclear arsenals, curb international arms sales, end apartheid in South Africa,
normalize Sino-American relations, terminate US control of the Panama Canal, and achieve an "overall solution to the Israeli-Palestinian
problem."
While Brzezinski's agenda was as bold as it was comprehensive, it nonetheless hewed to the Soviet-centric assumptions that had
formed the basis of US policy since the end of World War II. Zbig recognized that the world had changed considerably in the ensuing
years, but he also believed that any future changes would still occur in the context of a continuing Soviet-American rivalry. His
strategic perspective, therefore, did not include the possibility that the international order might center on something other than
the binaries imposed by the Cold War. The disintegration of the Soviet bloc and eventually of the Soviet Union itself was, in his
view, a nominal goal of American foreign policy, but not an immediate prospect.
Using Brzezinski's 10 policy objectives as a basis for evaluating his performance, Vaïsse gives the national-security adviser
high marks. "Few administrations have known so many tangible successes in only four years," he writes, citing the Panama Canal Treaty,
the Israeli-Egyptian peace agreement, and improved relations with China. Yet while Panama remains an underappreciated achievement,
the other two qualify as ambiguous at best. The Camp David accords did nothing to resolve the Palestinian issue that underlay much
of Israeli-Arab enmity; it produced a dead-end peace that left Palestinians without a state and Israel with no end of problems. And
the Brzezinski-engineered embrace of China, enhancing Chinese access to American technology and markets, accelerated that country's
emergence as a peer competitor.
More troubling still was Brzezinski's failure to anticipate or to grasp the implications of the two developments that all but
doomed the Carter presidency: the 1978 Iranian Revolution and the 1979 Soviet intervention in Afghanistan. Vaïsse does his best to
cast a positive light on Brzezinski's role in these twin embarrassments. But there's no way around it: Brzezinski misread both --
with consequences that still haunt us today.
The Iranian Revolution, which Brzezinski sought to forestall by instigating a military coup in Tehran, offered a warning against
imagining that Washington could shape events in the Islamic world. Brzezinski missed that warning entirely, although he would by
no means be the last US official to do so. As for the Kremlin's plunge into Afghanistan, widely interpreted as evidence of the Soviet
Union's naked aggression, it actually testified to the weakness and fragility of the Soviet empire, already in an advanced state
of decay. Again, Brzezinski -- along with many other observers -- misread the issue. When clarity of vision was most needed, he failed
to provide it.
Together, these two developments ought to have induced a wily strategist to reassess the premises of US policy. Instead, they
resulted in decisions to deepen -- and to overtly militarize -- US involvement in and around the Persian Gulf. While this commitment
is commonly referred to as the Carter Doctrine, Vaïsse insists that it "was really a Brzezinski doctrine."
Regardless of who gets the credit, the militarization of US policy across what Brzezinski termed an "arc of crisis" encompassing
much of the Islamic world laid the basis for a series of wars and upheavals that continue to this day. If, as national-security adviser,
Brzezinski wielded as much influence as Vaïsse contends, then this too forms part of his legacy. When it mattered most, the master
strategist failed to understand the implications of the crisis that occurred on his watch.
The most glaring problem anyone faces in trying to assert Brzezinski's mastery of world affairs, however, rests not in Iran or
Afghanistan, but in how the Cold War came to an end. Indeed, Brzezinski viewed it as essentially endless. As late as 1987, just two
years before the fall of the Berlin Wall, he was still insisting that "the American-Soviet conflict is an historical rivalry that
will endure for as long as we live."
B rzezinski was certainly smart, flexible, and pragmatic, but he was also a prisoner of the Cold War paradigm. So too were virtually
all other members of the foreign-policy establishment of his day. Indeed, subscribing to that paradigm was a prerequisite of membership.
Yet this adherence amounted to donning a pair of strategic blinders: It meant seeing only those things that it was convenient to
see.
Which brings us back to Zbig's last tweet, with its paean to American leadership as the sine qua non of global stability. The
tweet neatly captures the mind-set that the foreign-policy establishment has embraced with something like unanimity since the Cold
War surprised that establishment by coming to an end. This mind-set gets expressed in myriad ways in a thousand speeches and op-eds:
The United States must lead. There is no alternative; history itself summons the country to do so. Should it fail in that responsibility,
darkness will cover the earth.
This is why Trump so infuriates the foreign-policy elite: He appears oblivious to the providential call that others in Washington
take to be self-evident. Yet adhering to this post–Cold War paradigm is also the equivalent of donning blinders. Whatever the issue
-- especially when the issue is ourselves -- it means seeing only those things that we find it convenient to see.
The post–Cold War paradigm of American moral and political hegemony prevents us from appreciating the way that the world is actually
changing -- rapidly, radically, and right before our very eyes. Today, with the planet continuing to heat up, the nexus of global
geopolitics shifting eastward, and Americans pondering security threats for which our pricey and far-flung military establishment
is all but useless, the art of strategy as practiced by members of Brzezinski's generation has become irrelevant. So too has Zbig
himself.
"... The United States is and remains the one indispensable nation . ..."
"... That has been true for the century passed and it will be true for the century to come. America must always lead on the world stage. ..."
"... the global international republic ..."
"... (as Gallup's polls prove) ..."
"... only corporations whose only customers are the U.S. Government and its chosen allied governments ..."
"... natural-resources extractions ..."
"... Washington Post ..."
"... A task force of senior former U.S. diplomatic and military officials has come up with suggestions for how Trump could prevent Iran from taking over what's left of liberated Syria and fulfill his own promise to contain Iranian influence in the region. ..."
"... "Most urgently . . . the United States must impose real obstacles to Tehran's pursuit of total victory by the Assad regime in Syria," ..."
"... by the Jewish Institute for National Security of America states. "Time is of the essence." ..."
"... Wall Street Journal ..."
"... America's future generals ..."
"... all nations except the U.S. ..."
"... They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010 ..."
"... CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity ..."
On November 29th, Gallup headlined "Democrats
Lead Surge in Belief U.S. Should Be World Leader" and reported that "Three-fourths (75%) of
Americans today think the United States has 'a special responsibility to be the leading nation
in world affairs,' up from 66% in 2010. The surge is driven by Democrats, whose belief in this
idea has increased from 61% eight years ago to 81% now." This finding comes even after the
lie-based and catastrophic U.S. invasions of Iraq in 2003, and of Libya in 2011 (and of so many
others, such as Afghanistan, where the U.S. and Sauds created the Taliban in 1979 ). Americans --
now even increasingly -- want 'their' (which is actually America's billionaires' ) Government to be virtually the
world's government, policing the world. They want this nation's Government to be determining
what international laws will be enforced around the world, and to be enforcing them. Most
Americans don't want the United Nations to have power over the U.S. (its billionaires' ) Government, but instead
want the U.S. Government (its billionaires) to have power over the United Nations (which didn't
authorize any of those evil, lie-based, U.S. invasions).
Not only would doing this bankrupt all constructive domestic functions (health,
education, infrastructure, etc.) of the U.S. federal Government, but it would also increase the
global carnage, as if the U.S. Government hasn't already been doing enough of that, for decades
now.
The leadership for this supremacist craving comes straight from America's top, not from the
masses that are being sampled by the Gallup organization, who only reflect it -- they are duped
by their leaders. Here is how U.S. President Barack Obama (a Nobel Peace Prize winner in 2009,
for nothing at all
but his 'kindly'
but insincere verbiage when he had been a candidate) stated this widespread delusional
American belief in American global moral supremacy, when addressing the graduating class at
West Point Military Academy, on 28 May 2014:
The United States is and remains the one indispensable nation . [Every other nation
is therefore 'dispensable'; we therefore now have "Amerika, Amerika über alles, über
alles in der Welt".] That has been true for the century passed and it will be true for the
century to come. America must always lead on the world stage.
This had certainly not been the objective of U.S. President Franklin Delano
Roosevelt when he set up the U.N. just before his death in 1945; he instead wanted the U.N. to
evolve into a democratic government of the world, with elected representatives of each and
every one of the world's governments -- to evolve into becoming the global international
republic -- regardless of whether or not the U.S. Government approves or disapproves of
another nation's government. The idea on which the U.N. was founded was not to involve the U.S.
Government in the internal affairs of other nations, not to be the judge jury and executioner
of other governments that it doesn't like, nor to dictate what other nations should or should
not do within the given nation's boundaries. FDR intended that there instead be democratically
represented, at the U.N., each and every nation, and each and every people within that global
government, where each of these national governments is (hopefully but not necessarily) a
democracy. FDR was just as opposed to dictatorship internationally, as he was opposed to
dictatorship nationally , and he recognized that inevitably some governments will disapprove of
other governments, but he was deeply committed to the view that a need exists for laws and
law-enforcement between nations, on an international level, and not only
within the individual nations, and that each nation is sacrosanct on its own internal
laws. He respected national sovereignty, and opposed international empire. (This was his basic
disagreement with Winston Churchill, then, and with American leaders such as Obama and Trump
now.) Unlike President Obama (and evidently unlike the vast majority of today's Americans) FDR
didn't want this international government to be an American function, but instead an entirely
separate international governmental function, in which there is no international dictatorship
whatsoever -- not American, and not by any other country. He knew that this is the only stable
basis for international peace, and for avoiding a world-annihilating World War III .
Barack Obama rejected FDR's vision, and advocated for the United States as being
(and even as if it already had been for a century) virtually the government over the entire
world, which "must always lead on the world stage." Adolf Hitler had had that very same
international vision for his own country, Germany, "the Thousand-Year Reich," but he lost World
War II; and, then, when FDR died, Hitler's vision increasingly took over in America, so that
ideologically, FDR actually lost WW II, when Harry S. Truman took over the White House
and increasingly thereafter, until today, when the U.S. commits more invasions of foreign
countries than do all other nations in the world combined . Americans (apparently, as shown in
this and other polls) like this, and want more of it. Nobody else
does. For example, nobody (except the U.S. and Saudi and Israeli aristocracies and their
supporters worldwide, which are very few people) supports the U.S. regime's reinstitution of
sanctions against Iran, which the U.S. regime is imposing as the global dictator. America's
economic sanctions are like spitting into the face of FDR, who had opposed such imperialistic
fascism in the more overtly military form when Hitler's regime was imposing it. It's also
spitting at the U.N.
This latest Gallup finding displays an increase, but nothing that's at all anomalous as
compared to the decades-long reality of imperialistic U.S. culture. For decades now, Gallup's
polling has shown that the most respected of all institutions by the American people is the
nation's military -- more than the church, more than the Presidency, more than the U.S.
Supreme Court, more than the press, more than the schools, more than anything. America is
invasion-nation. This is true even after the 2003 invasion of Iraq on the basis of
blatant lies ,
which destroyed
Iraq -- a nation that had never invaded nor even threatened to invade the United States. The
American people are, resolutely, bloodthirsty for conquest, even after having been
fooled into that evil
invasion, and subsequent decades-long military occupation in Iraq, and after subsequent
conquests or attempted conquests, in Libya, Syria , Yemen, and
elsewhere -- all destroying nations that had never invaded nor even threatened America. Why?
How did this mass-insanity, of evil, come to be?
The public simply do not learn. That's a tragic fact. Largely, this fact results from
reality being hidden by the 'news'-media; but, even now, long after the fake 'news' in 2002,
about the U.S. regime's having possessed secret and conclusive evidence of "Saddam's WMD," the
published 'history' about that invasion still does not acknowledge the public's having been
lied-to at that time, by its Government, and by the 'news'-media. So, the public live,
and culturally swim, in an
ongoing river of lies , both as its being 'news', and subsequently as its having been
'history'. This is why the public do not learn: they are being constantly deceived. And they
(as Gallup's polls prove) tolerate being constantly deceived. The public do not rebel
against it. They don't reject either the politicians, or the 'news'-media. They don't demand
that the American public control the American Government and that America's billionaires lose
that control -- especially over the 'news'-media.
Honesty is no longer an operative American value, if it ever was. That's how, and why, Big
Brother (the operation by the international-corporate billionaires) grips Americans' minds to
support foreign Invasions. Americans support liars, and it all comes from the top; it's
directed from the top. It is bipartisan, from both Democratic Party billionaires and Republican
Party billionaires. National politicians will
lose their seats if they disobey.
A good example, of this Big-Brother operation, is America's Politifact, the online site
which is at America's crossover where 'news' and 'history' meet one-another. It's controlled by
billionaires
such as the one who founded Craigslist . Millions of Americans go to
Politifact in order to determine what is true and what is false that is being widely published
about current events. The present writer sometimes links to their articles, where I have
independently verified that there are no misrepresentations in an article. But, like the
'news'-media that it judges, Politifact is also a propaganda-agency for
the (U.S.-Saud-Israeli) Deep State , and so it deceives on the most critically important
international matters. An example of this occurred right after the U.S. regime had overthrown in February 2014
in a bloody coup the democratically elected Government of Ukraine, and replaced it by a rabidly
anti-Russian racist fascist or nazi Government on Russia's doorstep, a regime that was selected
by the rabidly anti-Russian (but lying that it wasn't) Obama regime . This Politifact
article was dated 31 March 2014, right after over 90% of Crimeans had just voted in a
referendum, to rejoin Russia, and to depart from Ukraine, which the Soviet dictator had
transferred them to, separating them from Russia, in 1954. (None of that history of the matter
was even mentioned by Politifact.) The Politifact article was titled
"Viral meme says United States has 'invaded' 22 countries in the past 20 years" , and it
was designed to deceive readers into believing that "Russia's recent annexation of Crimea"
reflected the real instance of "invasion" that Americans should be outraged against -- to
deflect away from America's recent history as being the world's actual invasion-nation. This
propaganda-article said nothing at all about either Crimea or Ukraine except in its opening
line: "A Facebook meme argues that Americans are pretty two-faced when it comes to Russia's
recent annexation of Crimea." It then proceeded to document that the exact number of American
invasions during the prior 20 years wasn't 22, and so Politifact declared the allegation
"false" (as if the exact number were really the entire issue or even the main one, and as if
America's scandalous recent history of invasions were not).
So, it's on account of such drowning-in-propaganda, that the U.S. public not only respect
what U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower derogatorily called the "military-industrial complex,"
but respect it above even the U.S. Presidency itself, and above all other U.S. institutions (as
Gallup's constant polling demonstrates to be the case).
Here's the reality: The same group of no more than a thousand super-wealthy Americans
control both the United States Government and the weapons-manufacturing firms (such as Lockheed
Martin), which are the only corporations
whose only customers are the U.S. Government and its chosen allied governments . So,
these few people actually control the U.S. Government's foreign relations, and foreign
policies. They create and control their own markets. This is the most politically active group
of America's super-rich, because they own America's international corporations and because
their business as owners of the military ones is military policy and also diplomatic policy,
including the conjoining of both of those at the CIA and NSA, including the many coups that
they (via their Government) engineer. They also control all of the nation's
major news-media, which report international affairs in such a manner as to determine which
foreign governments will be perceived by the mass of Americans to constitute the nation's
'enemies' and therefore to be suitable targets for the U.S. military and CIA to invade and
conquer or otherwise "regime-change" -- such as have been the lands of North Vietnam,
Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Venezuela, etc., at various times.
The weapons-manufacturers won't have any markets, at all, if there are no 'enemy' nations that
are deemed by the public to be suitable targets for their weapons. 'Enemy' nations, and not
only 'allies' (or 'allied' nations), are necessary, in order for the military business to
produce the most profits. Overwhelmingly, if not totally, the chosen 'enemies' are nations that
have never invaded nor even threatened to invade the United States ; and, so, in order to keep
this Government-funded business (the war-profiteering and associated international
natural-resources extractions businesses) growing and thriving, what's essential is
continuing control over the nation's 'news'-media. As Walter Lippmann wrote in 1921,
"the manufacture of consent" is an essential part of this entire operation. It happens via
the media. Even Germany's Nazis needed to do that. Any modern capitalist dictatorship
(otherwise called "fascism") does. The U.S. regime, being a capitalist dictatorship, certainly
does. Physically, Hitler lost, but his ideology won, he won even as nazism (racist fascism)
instead of merely as fascism, and this racism is shown because the U.S. regime is rabidly
racist anti-Russian (
not merely anti-communist ), and has been so for at least a century. (Maybe it's what Obama
actually had secretly in mind when he said "That has been true for the century passed and it
will be true for the century to come." And Trump is no less a liar than Obama, and he continues
this aim of ultimately conquering Russia.) They say they're only against Russia's leader
Vladimir Putin, but Putin shows in all polls of Russians, even in non-Russian polls, to be far
more favorably viewed by Russians than either Barack Obama or Donald Trump are viewed by
Americans. This is why regime-change-in-Russia is increasingly becoming dominated by U.S.
economic sanctions and military, and less dominated by CIA and other coup-organizers. The
actual dictatorship is in America, and it requires participation by its 'news'-media.
Demonizing 'the enemy' is therefore crucial. It is crucial preparation for any
invasion.
The United States Government spends
at least as much money on its military as do all of the other governments in the world
combined . Its 'news'-media (that is to say, the media that are owned by, and that are
advertised in by, the corporations that are controlled by, the same small group of billionaires
-- America's billionaires -- who fund the political campaigns of both the Democratic Party's
and the Republican Party's nominees for the U.S. Congress and the Presidency) may be partisan
for one or the other of the nation's two political Parties, but they all are unitedly partisan
for the international corporations, such as Lockheed Martin, that America's billionaires
control, and that sell only to the U.S. Government and to the foreign governments that are
allied with the U.S. Government. They also are partisan for the U.S.-based oil and gas and
mining international corporations, which need to extract at the lowest costs possible, no
matter how much the given extractee-nation's public might suffer from the deal. "Three-fourths
(75%) of Americans today think the United States has 'a special responsibility to be the
leading nation in world affairs,'" and the actual beneficiaries of this mass-insanity are the
owners of those U.S.-based international corporations, the military and extraction giants.
Anthony Cordesman, at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, headlined on 15
August 2016, "U.S.
Wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen: What Are The Endstates?" and he said, "Once again,
the United States does not seem to be learning from its past. The real test of victory is never
tactical success or even ending a war on favorable military terms, it is what comes next." But
he ignored the main reason why these invasions had occurred. America's weapons-manufacturers
won't have any markets, at all, if there are no 'enemy' nations that are deemed by the American
public to be suitable targets for their weapons. Cordesman is there calculating success and
failure on the basis of the myths (such as that the U.S. Government cares about those
"Endstates"), not of the realities (that it craves targets). The realities focus upon the
desires of the owners and executives of the weapons-manufacturers and the extraction-firms, for
ongoing and increased profits and executive bonuses, and not on the needs of America's
soldiers nor on the national security of the American people. Least of all, do they focus upon
the needs -- such as the welfare, freedom, or democracy -- of the Iraqi people, or of the
Syrian people, or of the Libyan people, or of the Yemenite people. It's all just lies, PR.
Those invasions served their actual main functions when they were occurring. "The Endstates"
there are almost irrelevant to those real purposes, the purposes for which the
invasions were, and are, actually being done.
A task force of senior former U.S. diplomatic and military officials has come up with
suggestions for how Trump could prevent Iran from taking over what's left of liberated Syria
and fulfill his own promise to contain Iranian influence in the region.
"Most urgently . . . the United States must impose real obstacles to
Tehran's pursuit of total victory by the Assad regime in Syria,"the reportby the Jewish Institute for National Security of America states.
"Time is of the essence."
The underlying presumption there was that the U.S. regime has legitimate authorization to be
occupying the parts of Syria it has invaded and now occupies, and that Iran does not. But the
reality is that the U.S. regime is occupying Syria instead of assisting Syria's Government to
defeat the U.S.-Saud-Israeli invasion to overthrow and replace Syria's Government, by
stooges who will be
selected by the Saud family who own Saudi Arabia , and the reality is that Iran's forces
there are invitees who are instead assisting Syria's Government against the
Saudi-Israeli-American invasion. In other words: this WP article is basically all
lies. Furthermore, the Jewish Institute for National Security of America is
a front-organization for the fascist regime
that rules Israel , and the WP hid that fact, too, so its cited 'expert' was a
mere PR agency for Israel's aristocracy. So, this is Deep-State propaganda, parading as
'news'.
Americans actually pay their private good money to subscribe to (subsidize) such bad public
'news'papers as that. The billionaire who happens to own that particular 'news'paper (the
WP) , Jeff Bezos, had founded and leads Amazon, which receives almost all of its
profits from Amazon Web Services (AWS), the cloud-computing division, which supplies the U.S.
'Defense' Department, CIA, and NSA. For example, "without AWS and Prime,
Amazon lost $2 billion in the 1st quarter of FY18. These losses come from Amazon's retail
business. About 60% of Amazon's revenue comes from retail and that's where Amazon is losing
money." Amazon is profitable because of what it sells mainly to the Government, but also to
other large U.S. international corporations, and they all want to conquer Syria. None opposes
that evil goal. Although Bezos doesn't like the Sauds, he has actually been (at least until the
Khashoggi matter) one of their main U.S. media champions for the Sauds to take over Syria. It's
all just a fool-the-public game. It works, it succeeds, and that's what Gallup's polls are
demonstrating. The public never learns. It's a fact, which has been proven in many different
ways.
This reality extends also to other nations, allies of the U.S. aristocracy, and not only to
the U.S. regime itself. For example, on 27 November 2018, a whistleblowing former UK
Ambassador, Craig Murray, who is a personal friend of Julian Assange, headlined
"Assange Never Met Manafort. Luke Harding and the Guardian Publish Still More Blatant MI6
Lies" , and he proved that Britain's Guardian had lied with total, and totally
undocumented (and probably even totally non-credible), fabrications, alleging that Julian
Assange of WikiLeaks had secretly met (in 2013, 2015, and 2016) with Paul Manafort of the Trump
campaign. The UK, of course, is a vassal-nation of the U.S. aristocracy, and the
Guardian is run by Democratic Party propagandists (paid indirectly by Democratic Party
and conservative Tony-Blair-wing Labour Party billionaires ) and
therefore fabricates in order to assist those Parties' efforts to impeach Trump and to dislodge
Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party's leadership. However, each of America's two political
parties (like the UK's aristocracy itself) represents America's aristocracy, which, like
Britain's aristocracy, is united in its determination
to eliminate Assange -- they are as determined to do that to him, just as Saudi Crown
Prince Mohammed bin Salman al-Saud was determined to eliminate Jamal Khashoggi. 'Democracy'?
This? It is Big Brother.
Only if the population boycott lying individuals and organizations, is democracy even
possible to exist in a nation. Democracy can't possibly exist more than truth does. In
political matters, deceit is always treachery; and its practitioners, whenever the evidence for
it is overwhelming and irrefutable, should experience whatever the standard penalty is for
treachery. Only in a land such as that, can democracy possibly exist. Elsewhere, it simply
can't. The only basis for democracy, is truth. Deceit is for dictators, not for
democrats. And deceit reigns, in the U.S. and in its allied countries. Is this really
tolerable? Americans, at least, tolerate it.
When Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the far-right Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street
Journal editorialized against Obama on 10 October 2009, by saying that
"What this suggests to us -- and to the Norwegians -- is the end of what has been called
'American exceptionalism'." Little did anyone then know that after winning re
-election upon the basis of such war-mongering lies from Obama, as that
"America remains the one indispensable nation" , Obama in February 2014 would go so far as
to perpetrate a bloody
coup overthrowing the democratically elected Government of one "dispensable" nation,
Ukraine; and, then, on 28 May of 2014, Obama would be telling America's future
generals , that "The United States is and remains the one indispensable nation" and that
Obama would, in that speech, explicitly malign Ukraine's neighbor Russia. He did it, in this
speech, which implicitly called all nations except the U.S. "dispensable." He had
carefully planned and orchestrated Americans' hostility toward Russia. His successor, Trump,
lied saying that he wanted to reverse Obama's policies on this, and Trump promptly, once
becoming elected, increased and expanded those policies. Whatever a deceitfully war-mongering
country like this might be, it's certainly no democracy. Because democracy cannot be built upon
a ceaseless string of lies.
Within individual countries, murder is rightly considered to be the worst of crimes. But the
institution of war tries to convince us that if a soldier murders someone from another country,
whom the politicians have designated as an "enemy", it is no longer a crime, no longer a
violation of the common bonds of humanity. It is "heroic". In their hearts, soldiers know that
this is nonsense. Murder is always murder.
The men, women and children who are supposed to be the "enemy", are just ordinary people,
with whom the soldier really has no quarrel. Therefore when the training of soldiers wears
off a little, so that they realize what they have done, they have to see themselves as
murderers, and many commit suicide. A recent article in the journal "Epidemiology" pointed out
a startling statistic: for every American soldier killed in combat in 2012, 25 committed
suicide. The article also quotes the Department of Veterans Affairs, which says that 18
veterans commit suicide every day.
Obviously, the training of soldiers must overwrite fundamental ethical principles. This
training must make a soldier abandon his or her individual conscience and sense of
responsibility. It must turn the soldier from a compassionate human being into an automaton, a
killing machine. How is this accomplished? Through erosion of of the soldier's self-respect.
Through the endless repetition of senseless rituals where obedience is paramount and from which
rational thought and conscience are banished.
In his book on fanaticism, The True Believer (1951), the American author Eric Hoffer
gives the following description of the factors promoting self-sacrifice: "To ripen a
person for self-sacrifice, he must be stripped of his individual identity. He must cease
to be George, Hans, Ivan or Tado – a human atom with an existence bounded by birth and
death. The most drastic way to achieve this end is by the complete assimilation of the
individual into a collective body. The fully assimilated individual does not see himself and
others as human beings. When asked who he is, his automatic response is that he is a German, a
Russian, a Japanese, a Christian, a Muslim, a member of a certain tribe or family. He has no
purpose, worth or destiny apart from his collective body, and as long as that body lives, he
cannot really die. "The effacement of individual separateness must be thorough.
In every act, however trivial, the individual must, by some ritual, associate himself with
the congregation, the tribe, the party, etcetera. His joys and sorrows, his pride and
confidence must spring from the fortunes and capacities of the group, rather than from
his individual prospects or abilities. Above all, he must never feel alone. Though stranded on
a desert island, he must feel that he is under the eyes of the group. To be cast out from the
group must be equivalent to being cut off from life. "This is undoubtedly a primitive
state of being, and its most perfect examples are found among primitive tribes.
Mass movements strive to approximate this primitive perfection, and we are not imagining
things when the anti-individualist bias of contemporary mass movements strikes us as being a
throwback to the primitive." The conditioning of a soldier in a modern army follows the pattern
described in Eric Hoffer's book. The soldier's training aims at abolishing his sense of
individual separateness, individual responsibility, and moral judgment. It is filled with
rituals, such as saluting, by which the soldier identifies with his tribe-like army
group. His uniform also helps to strip him of his individual identity and to assimilate him
into the group. The result of this psychological conditioning is that the soldier's mind
reverts to a primitive state. He surrenders his moral responsibility, and when the politicians
tell him to kill, he kills.
2 The Nuremberg principles adopted by the UN
In 1946, the United Nations General Assembly unanimously affirmed "the principles of
international law recognized by the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal and the judgment of the
Tribunal". The General Assembly also established an International Law Commission to formalize
the Nuremberg Principles. The result was a list that included Principles VI, which is
particularly important in the context of the illegality of NATO:
Principle I
Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is
responsible therefor and liable to punishment.
Principle II
The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime
under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility
under international law.
Principle III
The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international
law, acted as Head of State or responsible government official, does not relieve him from
responsibility under international law.
Principle IV
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not
relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact
possible to him.
Principle V
Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the
facts and law.
Principle VI
The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:
(a) Crimes against peace and humanity:
i. Planning, preparation, initiation or a plan of a war of aggression or a war in violation
of international treaties, agreements or assurances; ii. Participation in a common plan or
conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
(b) War crimes: Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited
to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian
population of or in occupied territory; murder or illtreatment of prisoners of war or persons
on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of
cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.
(c) Crimes against humanity: Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other
inhumane acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial, or
religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of
or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.
Principle VII
Complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against
humanity as set forth in Principle VI is a crime under international law.
Figure 2: Nazi war criminals awaiting judgement at the Nuremberg trials.
Figure 3: You cannot just say "I was acting under orders".
Figure 4: Judgement at Nuremberg
3 The International Criminal Court
The need for an International Criminal Court which would hold individuals responsible for
such crimes as genocide had long been recognized, and at a special session of the United
Nations General Assembly in Rome in June, 1998, the ICC was established by a vote of 120 to 7,
with 21 countries abstaining. The seven countries that voted against the Rome Statute, which
established the ICC, were China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, the United States, and Yemen. In
2002, after the 60 needed ratifications had been obtained, the International Criminal
Court went into force. Today the ICC is located at the Hague, Netherlands.
It has the power to judge cases involving genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes,
provided that no national court is willing to judge them. Although the ICC functions
imperfectly, and is opposed by several powerful nations, it is impossible to underestimate its
importance. For the first time individuals are being held responsible for crimes against
international law.
As we mentioned above in connection with collective punishment, attempts to coerce
nation-states by means of sanctions are neither just nor effective. Political
Federations, where laws act on individuals, have historically proved to be effective,
just and stable. Thus the establishment of the ICC can be seen as a vital step towards a United
Nations Charter reform which would transform the UN from a confederation to a federation.
The ICC deserves the wholehearted support of everyone who believes that institutionalized
injustice and the brutal rule of military force should be replaced by a world of peace, justice
and law. We must remember the words of the Icelandic saga of Njal: "With law shall our land be
built up, but with lawlessness laid waste."
4 The illegality of NATO
Violation of the UN Charter and the Nuremberg Principles
In recent years, participation in NATO has made European countries accomplices in US
efforts to achieve global hegemony by means of military force, in violation of
international law, and especially in violation of the UN Charter, the Nuremberg Principles.
Former UN Assistant Secretary General Hans Christof von Sponeck used the following words to
express his opinion that NATO now violates the UN Charter and international law: "In the 1949
North Atlantic Treaty, the Charter of the United Nations was declared to be NATO's legally
binding framework. However, the United-Nations monopoly of the use of force, especially as
specified in Article 51 of the Charter, was no longer accepted according to the 1999 NATO
doctrine. NATO's territorial scope, until then limited to the Euro-Atlantic region, was
expanded by its members to include the whole world."
Article 2 of the UN Charter requires that "All members shall refrain in their international
relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political
independence of any state." This requirement is somewhat qualified by Article 51, which
says that "Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or
collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until
the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and
security." Thus, in general, war is illegal under the UN Charter. Self-defense against an armed
attack is permitted, but only for a limited time, until the Security Council has had time to
act. The United Nations Charter does not permit the threat or use of force in preemptive wars,
or to produce regime changes, or for so-called "democratization", or for the domination of
regions that are rich in oil. NATO must not be a party to the threat or use of force for such
illegal purposes.
In 1946, the United Nations General Assembly unanimously affirmed "the principles of
international law recognized by the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal and the judgment of the
Tribunal". The General Assembly also established an International Law Commission to formalize
the Nuremberg Principles. The result was a list that included Principles VI and VII, which are
particularly important in the context of the illegality of NATO: Robert H. Jackson, who was the
chief United States prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials, said that "To initiate a war of
aggression is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime,
differing from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of
the whole."
Violation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty
At present, NATO's nuclear weapons policies violate both the spirit and the text of the
Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in several respects: Today there are an estimated 200 US
nuclear weapons still in Europe The air forces of the nations in which they are based are
regularly trained to deliver the US weapons. This "nuclear sharing", as it is called, violates
Articles I and II of the NPT, which forbid the transfer of nuclear weapons to non-nuclearweapon
states. It has been argued that the NPT would no longer be in force if a crisis arose, but
there is nothing in the NPT saying that the treaty would not hold under all circumstances.
Article VI of the NPT requires states possessing nuclear weapon to get rid of them within a
reasonable period of time. This article is violated by fact that NATO policy is guided by a
Strategic Concept, which visualizes the continued use of nuclear weapons in the foreseeable
future.' The principle of no-first-use of nuclear weapons has been an extremely important
safeguard over the years, but it is violated by present NATO policy, which permits the
first-use of nuclear weapons in a wide variety of circumstances.
Must Europe really be dragged into a potentially catastrophic war with Russia?
At present the United States government is trying to force the European members of NATO to
participate in aggressive military operations near to Russia. Europe must refuse. The hubris,
and reckless irresponsibility of the US government in risking a catastrophic war with Russia is
almost beyond belief, but the intervention in Ukraine is only one in a long series of US
interventions: During the period from 1945 to the present, the US interfered, militarily or
covertly, in the internal affairs of a large number of nations: China, 1945-49; Italy,
1947-48; Greece, 1947-49; Philippines, 1946-53; South Korea, 1945-53; Albania, 1949-53;
Germany, 1950s; Iran, 1953; Guatemala, 1953-1990s; Middle East, 1956-58; Indonesia, 1957-58;
British Guiana/Guyana, 1953-64; Vietnam, 1950-73; Cambodia, 1955-73; The Congo/Zaire, 196065;
Brazil, 1961-64; Dominican Republic, 1963-66; Cuba, 1959-present; Indonesia, 1965; Chile,
1964-73; Greece, 1964-74; East Timor, 1975-present; Nicaragua, 1978-89; Grenada, 1979-84;
Libya, 1981-89; Panama, 1989; Iraq, 1990-present; Afghanistan 1979-92; El Salvador, 1980-92;
Haiti, 1987-94; Yugoslavia, 1999; and Afghanistan, 2001-present, Syria, 2013-present. Egypt,
2013-present.
Most of these interventions were explained to the American people as being necessary to
combat communism (or more recently, terrorism), but an underlying motive was undoubtedly the
desire of the ruling oligarchy to put in place governments and laws that would be favorable to
the economic interests of the US and its allies. Also, the militaryindustrial complex needs
justification for the incredibly bloated military budgets that drain desperately needed
resources from social and environmental projects. Do the people of Europe really want to
participate in the madness of aggression against Russia? Of course not! What about European
leaders? Why don't they follow the will of the people and free Europe from bondage to the
United States? Have our leaders been bribed? Or have they been blackmailed through personal
secrets, discovered by the long arm of NSA spying?
Suggestions for further reading
Matt Wood, Crunching the Numbers on the Rate of Suicide Among Veterans, Epidemiology,
April 27, (2012).
Eric Hoffer, The True Believer, Harper and Row, (1951).
Daniele Archibugi and Alice Pease, Crime and Global Justice. The Dynamics of
International Punishment, Polity Press, (2018).
David Bosco, Rough Justice: The International Criminal Court's Battle to Fix the World,
One Prosecution at a Time, Oxford University Press, (2014).
Bruce Broomhall, International Justice and the International Criminal Court: Between
Sovereignty and the Rule of Law. Oxford: Oxford University Press (2003).
Anne-Marie de Brouwer, Supranational Criminal Prosecution of Sexual Violence: The ICC and
the Practice of the ICTY and the ICTR. Antwerp – Oxford: Intersentia (2005).
Karin Calvo-Goller, The Trial Proceedings of the International Criminal Court ICTY and
ICTR Precedents, Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, (2006),
A freely downloadable book
A new 418-page book entitled "A World Federation" may be downloaded and circulated gratis
from the following link:
J ohn Scales Avery is a theoretical chemist at the University of Copenhagen. He is noted for
his books and research publications in quantum chemistry, thermodynamics, evolution, and
history of science. His 2003 book Information Theory and Evolution set forth the view that the
phenomenon of life, including its origin, evolution, as well as human cultural evolution, has
its background situated in the fields of thermodynamics, statistical mechanics, and information
theory. Since 1990 he has been the Chairman of the Danish National Group of Pugwash Conferences
on Science and World Affairs. During his tenure The Pugwash Movement won a nobel peace prize.
Between 2004 and 2015 he also served as Chairman of the Danish Peace Academy. He founded the
Journal of Bioenergetics and Biomembranes, and was for many years its Managing Editor. He also
served as Technical Advisor to the World Health Organization, Regional Office for Europe
(1988-1997).
Now that the banks are calling in their insurance, the EU has to deliver either by 1)
screwing down Italy the same as they did Greece, or 2) getting the French and German public
(or better the whole EU) to bail out the banks.
There is a third option: the banks simply accept their losses, and the bankers make do
without their customary bonuses for a few quarters.
Though I'm no friend of Michael Moore, he at least was candid about American
"Judeo-Christian" adventures within foreign countries. America needs to pull in its horns,
and stop fooling around with other governments.
Our benighted nation has become a "Global" entity, which entails our young men and women
being used as cannon fodder for Israel's designs, in addition to furthering the campaign by
Globalists to divvy up the world's resources and labor markets .
Our country is blessed with all the necessary raw materials, manufacturing capabilities,
educated and motivated work forces and security to completely support our population, without
the need to obtain staple supplies from foreign countries. Developing alternative energy
sources should be a top priority, to free our people from the yoke of foreign oil cartels --
or the domestic variety, for that matter. Globalism has done little more than implement the
enslavement of populations to mega-corporations, establishing a cabal of non-elected,
inviolable potentates who wield tremendous power over our leaders to do their bidding.
There also has to be some consideration the encounter with the Russians on the Kerch
Strait was contrived by Poroshenko with the assistance of a gaggle of American
neoconservative and Israeli advisers who have been actively engaged with the Ukrainian
government for the past several years. The timing was good for Poroshenko for his own
domestic political reasons but it was also an opportunity for the neocons warmongers that
surround Trump and proliferate inside the Beltway to scuttle any possible meeting between a
vulnerable Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin at the G20 gathering in Argentina.
I came to the exact same conclusion.
Putin wants to normalize relations with the west but, inexplicably, he provokes and
alienates the West just prior to every scheduled meeting with Trump. Of course, that doesn't
make any sense. These events only makes sense if the provocations are coming from agents in
the West who wish to derail any rapprochement between the US and Russia. Then it makes
sense.
If this is true (as it appears to be) one can reasonably predict that any time Trump and
Putin are about to meet, that a Skripal/Ukraine or other Russia-is-evil event will be staged
to derail the meeting.
Let's watch in 2019 and see if this prediction comes true.
If it does, we will know that someone, behind the scenes, is staging these events.
The ongoing campaign to vilify Vladimir Putin & the Russian Federation, is a
complete failure, with conservatives, evangelicals, and republicans.
I'll keep an open mind until Mueller's report is released, but Cohen's connections are
allegedly with the mainly Jewish Russian mob. It is unclear what their agenda may have been,
but Trump has been a lot nicer to Israel than to Russia.
"Presidents, prime ministers, congresspersons and parliamentarians worldwide regularly negate
the democratic will of their nation's voters by refusing to support legitimate election
results. Strangely, their treasonous actions continue without serious reprisal or punishment
by the voter. This emboldens them. The reality of votes cast and "democracy" past does not
does bode well for the people of the United Kingdom, their future as a nation or their
hopeful return to sovereignty once called, "Brexit."
Dynamite opening paragraph by Brett Redmayne-Titley.
It defines the vital issue of -To be or not to be – for our Planet's citizens who
struggle (or aught to), for functioning Democratic Republics founded upon the ideal of
Liberty and Justice for All.
Titley's ending mention of the trials of the Greek nation, and others, is well placed and
a tribute to his worldview, that is key to analyzing the situation in any particular
corner.
"Britains should consider this arbitrary bullying of Italy and of the UK. Then they should
consider the sad EU imposed current condition of Greece. Next, they might dwell on the failed
outcomes of previous elections within the nearby EU nations, and how similar movements were
defeated in their nation as well. Last, they must pay closest of attention to what is
actually in the souls of their own politicians and what they truly support."
In America, we lost our Democratic Republic and our last Constitutional President, John
F. Kennedy , in a hail of bullets in the Coup D'état of November 22, 1963.
The Citizen Yellow Vests in France , supported by their 2 leading Resistance
Fighters, Dieudonné , and Alain Soral , display the next step forward in
the Resistance to Tyranny.
Step 1 – Committees of Correspondence (mainstream media free – websites, &
communications).
2. Step away from the TVs – & breathe the free air outside as the Citizen
Militia Yellow Vests(Minutemen), regain the streets and stretch their muscles.
3. Final Step: We are Joined by free police, military, even CIA & other police agency
employees, in the act of regaining their Countries, with their Sovereignty, and their Honor.
We Restore Our Republics!
a. Zionist imperialist/racists to jail and awaiting Trial.
b. Cleanup & rebuilding.
c. Unbought electoral process - no $ allowed in the process (equal media access for
all candidates), Debates between the candidates. Let a hundred flowers bloom (what democrat
said that?)?
"... Capitalism never was benign, Chrustjow worked as a miner in a commercially exploited mine, where there was little regard for
safety, he abhorred capitalism. ..."
@Bill Jones Interesting to read
how these idealists agree with Christian Gerondeau, 'Le CO2 est bon pour la planete, Climat, la grande manipulation', Paris 2017
Gerondeau explains how many deaths reducing CO2 emissions will cause in poor countries, simply as an example how electricity
for cooking will remain too expensive for them, so cooking is done on smoky fires in confined spaces.
" to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history." " To intentionally impoverish
the world. To what end, I wonder ?
Anyone who knows anything about history is that the rich were always better off than the poor, in fact the very definition
of rich and poor.
In this respect it never mattered if a society was capitalistic, communistic, or a theocracy, as Tibet was.
These idealistic idiots do not understand how they created the problem they now intend to solve with creating an even bigger
problem, their example is the EU, the EU is following this policy for more than twelve years now, since 2005, when the EU grabbed
power through the rejected EU 'consitution'.
Capitalism is no more than deciding between consumption and investment, Robinson Crusoë invested in a fishing net by temporarily
reducing consumption, he did not go fishing, but made a fishing net, expecting that his investment would make it possible to eat
more fish.
Capitalism never was benign, Chrustjow worked as a miner in a commercially exploited mine, where there was little regard
for safety, he abhorred capitalism.
Dutch 17th century capitalistic commerce to the far Indies, east and west, was not benign. Typically a ship left Amsterdam,
near the Schreierstoren, trans 'the tower for the crying', wives, mothers and girl friends, with 300 men aboard, and returned
with 100. Most of those who died were common sailors, captain and officers had a far lower mortality, mainly better food.
Our East Indies commerce also was not much fun for the people in the East, in the Banda Sea Islands massacre some 30.000 people
were killed, for a monopoly on pepper, if I remember correctly.
But, as the earth developed economically, there came room for also poor people getting lives beginning to look as worth living.
Engels in 1844, hope the year is right, described the conditions of working people in GB, this resulted in Das Kapital.
This room for a better life for also the poor was not given by the capitalistic system
In their struggle for a better world for anyone the idealists wanted globalisation, level playing field, anyone should be welcome
anywhere, slogans like this.
Globaliation, however, is the end of the nation state, the very institution in which it was possible to provide a better life.
Anyone following me until here now can see the dilemma, the end of the nation state was also the end of protection by that state
against unbridled capitalism.
As the idealists cannot give up their globalisation religion they must, as those who cannot give up the biblical creation story,
find an ideological way out of their dilemma. My conclusion now is 'in order to save our globalisation religion we try to destroy
economic growth, by making energy very expensive, in the hope of destroying capitalism'.
Alas, better, luckily, capitalism cannot be destroyed, those who invented the first furnaces for more or less mass producing
iron, they were capitalists. They saw clearly how cheap iron would bring economic growth, the plow.
In the country where the CO2 madness has struck most, my country, the Netherlands, the realisation of the poverty that drastically
reducing CO2 emissions will cause, has begun. If there really is madness, I wonder.
I indeed see madness, green leftists unable to make a simple multipiclation calculations about costs, but maybe mainly political
opportunism. Our dictator, Rutte, is now so hated that he needs a job outside the Netherlands, in order to qualify, either at
Brussels or in New York, with the UN, has to howl with the wolves.
At the same time, we have a gas production problem,, earthquakes in the NE, houses damaged, never any decision made to solve
the problem, either stop gas production, or strenghten the houses, both expensive solutions.
So, in my suspicious ideas, Rutte now tries to improve himself, at the same time solving a problem: within, say ten years,
the Netherlands functions without gas, and remains prosperous; the idea he tries to sell to us. In a few years time it will emerge
that we cannot have both, prosperous, and zero emission, but the time horizon for a politician is said to be five years.
Israel is one undeniably large factor behind spending surges since 2005. Israel successfully
demanded enormous increases in joint U.S.-Israeli cyber warfare expenditures and benefited
from related U.S. contingency planning. Due to onerous secrecy, Americans remain unable to
engage in informed public debate about whether what amounts to US subjugation to the Israeli
prerogatives driving these massive expenditures should continue.
The US increased spending on the National Intelligence Program by 9 percent in fiscal year
2018 to $59.4 billion. The Military Intelligence Program surged 20 percent to $22.1 billion.
NIP plus MIP beat the year 2005 expenditure record totaling $81.5 billion for fiscal year
2018.
The development of secret offensive cyber warfare programs targeting Iran are included in
MIP and NIP budgets. According to the 2016 documentary Zero Days by director Alex Gibney,
Israel's incessant public threats to attack Iran coupled with intense secret demands for
cyber warfare targeting Iran were the catalyst for massive new US black budget spending.
Former NSA Director (1999-2005) and CIA Director (2006-2009) Michael Hayden claimed in
Zero Days that the goal of any Israeli air attack against Iran's nuclear facilities would be
to drag the United States into war.
by Grant Smith Posted on November 07, 2018 He is director of the Institute for Research:
Middle Eastern Policy in Washington, D.C.
There is very little spoken of the foreign threat of the Chabad network. It must be serious
opposition if even the CFR "globalists" write about it. ( https://www.theglobalist.com/donald-trump-benjamin-netanyahu-democracy-corruption/
) When I say threat, I mean global nuclear war, mass starvation, and disease. Chabad is the
link binding Trump and Putin advisors. Do you think anyone belonging in this protected
"religion" holds any sort of good will for the regular common folk inhabiting the world?
What chance does peace have with these people having Trump's ear: Javanka Kushner, Gina
Haspel, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, Mad Dog Mattis, and John Bolton?
Doesn't look good does it!
West Point says NO to Peace!
The warmongering bastard and West Point grad (first in class) -- Pompeo -- says NO peace
for Yemeni! Trump says wars are for Israel.
West Point is Jew occupied territory. All US Army generals are pro Israel.
US to keep aiding Saudis in Yemen despite furor: Pompeo
Buenos Aires (AFP) -- Secretary of State Mike Pompeo vowed Saturday that the United
States would continue suppor ting Saudi Arabia's military campaign in Yemen, despite
rising outrage over the kingdom.
Speaking from a Group of 20 summit in Buenos Aires, Pompeo acknowledged that the
humanitarian crisis in Yemen -- where millions are at risk of starvation -- had reached
"epic proportions" but said Washington and Riyadh were offering aid.
"The program that we're involved in today we intend to continue," Pompeo told CNN when
asked about military assistance to the Saudi-led coalition.
I suspect not, but they answer to politicians. Ditto the CIA.
I suspect not also -- but only privately and in secret, would they be anti-Israel. If they
keep their mouth shut, they will have a six figure job waiting for them in the J-MIC. Hmm --
so much for the flag. Think Peace -- Do No Harm -- Art
"The AIPAC Starship strikes back, and excluded Senator Rand Paul from meeting with Gina
Haspel on the Kashoggi murder."
Could it not be more clear that Mossad runs our government? Didn't the military swear
oaths to protect the US from enemies foreign AND domestic? Oh, and I've given up on Trump.
He's an Israel-worshiping ineffective
What foreign threats indeed. Out biggest threats come from our own government:
"The new version clarifies that people cannot face jail time for participating in a
boycott, but the ACLU has argued that it still leaves the door open for criminal financial
penalties."
But yet these clowns will do next to nothing to stop illegal seizures of white farms in
South Africa. Our treasonous government busy working to strip away our freedoms. Don't think
they won't use this precedent to outlaw other types of "hate speech." And brought to you by
the republican party.
@anon As AIPAC and
WINEP demanded in 2003, the office as initially led by Undersecretary of Treasury Stuart
Levey, who worked in unusually close coordination with the Israeli government. Levey's
Harvard thesis (PDF) was about how Israel lobbying organizations could become more effective
by staying beneath the radar of public scrutiny and distancing themselves from the notoriety
generated by the illicit activities of such ideological fellow travelers as the Jewish
Defense League.
https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2018/08/29/treasury-sanctions-foreigners-for-israel
A few years ago, I had the temerity to write to David McCullough, the biographer of Harry
Truman, to tell him I thought he was wrong about an aspect of Truman's character.
McCullough was nice enough to write back. He said he thought Truman had not been malicious
but had simply lacked understanding, and in a revealing remark, he acknowledged that Truman
"just didn't know enough about [the Palestinians] and their situation" -- which he said,
quite accurately, is still true of most Americans. "The great shame," he wrote, "is that a
reasonable discussion of the subject remains so difficult to achieve in any public way."
Which brings me to my point: Reasonable discussion of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict,
and particularly of the Palestinian perspective, has always been "so difficult to achieve in
any public way," and since the days of Woodrow Wilson .
From the article: Tuesday's briefing on Khashoggi's killing was limited to a
small group of lawmakers, including those of the Senate's Armed Services Committee,
Intelligence Committee, and Foreign Relations Committee.
Chuck,
These oversite committees are a joke!
Those committees are cheer leaders for those agencies. Those senators are hand picked to
support the Jew Security State.
We can be sure that they work to hide what those agencies are doing from We the
People.
"... It's the intense indoctrination of Anglos since 1945 along the lines that Nationalism is bad and Racial Identity is bad. Hence the frantic virtue signaling of open frontiers and multiculturalism among the educated (indoctrinated). ..."
"... It will eventually be resolved by the people who don't care (the working class), who will toss out their elite and their "educated" middle class collaborators – in fact it's already happening with Brexit – check out the Daily Mail comments section. ..."
One fatal flaw of WASPs on both sides of the pond is that the upper crust ones don't seem
to have much empathy for the less fortunate of their own kind.
It's the intense indoctrination of Anglos since 1945 along the lines that Nationalism is bad
and Racial Identity is bad. Hence the frantic virtue signaling of open frontiers and
multiculturalism among the educated (indoctrinated).
For example, it's still completely unacceptable in middle class British society to support
Nationalism (you're a Nazi) or Anglo racial identity (other races are welcome to their
identities – but if you're and Anglo you're a racist).
It will eventually be resolved by the people who don't care (the working class), who will
toss out their elite and their "educated" middle class collaborators – in fact it's
already happening with Brexit – check out the Daily Mail comments section.
My right wing friends can't understand the biggest issue of our times is class war. This
article mentions the "Panama papers" where great many corporations and wealthy individuals
(even politicians) in my country were exposed. They run their profits through offshore tax
havens while using public infrastructure (paid for by taxpayers) to make their money. It's
estimated that wealth amounting to 1,5 times our GDP is stored in these accounts!
There is absolutely no way to get it through my right wing friends thick skull that
off-shore accounts are tax frauds. Resulting in they paying higher taxes off their wages
because the big corporations and the rich don't pay anything. Nope. They simply hate taxes
(even if they get plenty back in services) and therefore all taxes are bad. Ergo tax evasions
by the 1% are fine – socialism or immigrants must be the root of our problems.
MIGA!
Come to think of it – few of them would survive the "law of the jungle" they so much
desire. And none of them would survive the "law of the jungle" if the rules are stacked
against them. Still, all their political energy is aimed against the ideas and people that
struggle against such reality.
I give up – I will never understand the right. No more than the pure bread
communist. Hopeless ideas!
@niceland
Your friends are not "right wing". The left/right paradigm is long dead. Your friends are
globalists, whether they realize it or not. Globalism is about moving capital to the benefit
of the haves. Migrants/immigrants are a form of capital. Investing in migration/immigration
lowers the long term costs and increases long term profit. The profit (money capital) is then
moved to a place where it best serves its owner.
In the United States
today, and throughout "Western Brainwashed Civilization," only a handful of people exist who
are capable of differentiating the real from the created reality in which all explanations are
controlled and kept as far away from the truth as possible.
Everything that every Western government and "news" organization says is a lie to control
the explanations that we are fed in order to keep us locked in The Matrix.
The ability to control people's understandings is so extraordinary that, despite massive
evidence to the contrary, Americans believe that Oswald, acting alone, was the best shot in
human history and using magic bullets killed President John F. Kenndy; that a handful of Saudi
Arabians who demonstratively could not fly airplanes outwitted the American national security
state and brought down 3 World Trade Center skyscrapers and part of the Pentagon; that Saddam
Hussein had and was going to use on the US "weapons of mass destruction;" that Assad "used
chemical weapons" against "his own people;" that Libya's Gaddifi gave his soldiers Viagra so
they could better rape Libyan women; that Russia "invaded Ukraine;" that Trump and Putin stole
the presidential election from Hillary.
The construction of a make-believe reality guarantees the US military/security complex's
annual budget of $1,000 billion dollars of taxpayers' money even as Congress debates cutting
Social Security in order to divert more largess to the pockets of the corrupt military/security
complex.
Readers ask me what they can do about it. Nothing, except revolt and cleanse the system,
precisely as Founding Father Thomas Jefferson said.
"All the other stuff, the love, the democracy, the floundering into lust, is a sort of
by-play. The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet
melted."
"... This shtick of blaming US state crimes on foreign influence is getting annoying. You know none of this would be happening if the DO didn't like it. If you want to stop CIA's common plan or conspiracy for war, you've got to end the impunity that permits it. Ratify the Rome Statute. With the judiciary completely gelded, that's the only way to get the CIA regime under control. It's that or DCI Poppy Hager swings at Nuremberg II. ..."
"... Nuland admitted to spending $5 billion to set Maidan up. That $5B is worth 10 times that much in Ukraine. You don't spend that kind of money unless you have a follow up plan, and NATOizing Ukraine to attack Russia was it. The trigger was NATO's bitch, the EU, creating such a horrible deal for Ukraine that only an imbecile would have accepted it. Viktor Yanukovych was no imbecile. The "Russian deal" wasn't all that great for Ukraine either, it was just infinitely better than the turd the EU told Yanukovych to sign. ..."
One of the local Washington television stations was doing a typical early morning honoring
our soldiers schtick just before Thanksgiving. In it soldiers stationed far from home were
treated to videolinks so they could talk to their families and everyone could nod happily and
wish themselves a wonderful holiday. Not really listening, I became interested when I half
heard that the soldier being interviewed was spending his Thanksgiving in Ukraine.
It occurred to me that the soldier just might have committed a security faux pas by
revealing where he was, but I also recalled that there have been joint military maneuvers as
well as some kind of training mission going on in the country, teaching the Ukrainian Army how
to use the shiny new sophisticated weapons that the United States was providing it with to
defend against "Russian aggression."
Ukraine is only one part of the world where the Trump Administration has expanded the
mission of democracy promotion, only in Kiev the reality is more like faux democracy
promotion since Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is clearly exploiting
a situation that he himself provoked . He envisions setting himself up as a victim of
Moscow to aid in his attempts to establish his own power through a security relationship with
Washington. That in turn will help his bid for reelection in March 2019 elections, in which his
poll numbers are currently running embarrassingly low largely due to the widescale corruption
in his government. Poroshenko has already done much to silence the press in his county while
the developing crisis with Russia has enabled him to declare martial law in the eastern parts
of the country where he is most poorly regarded. If it all works out, he hopes to win the
election and subsequently, it is widely believed, he will move to expand his own executive
authority.
There also has to be some consideration the encounter with the Russians on the Kerch Strait
was contrived by Poroshenko with the assistance of a gaggle of American neoconservative and
Israeli advisers who have been actively engaged with the Ukrainian government for the past
several years. The timing was good for Poroshenko for his own domestic political reasons but it
was also an opportunity for the neocons warmongers that surround Trump and proliferate inside
the Beltway to scuttle any possible meeting between a vulnerable Donald Trump and Vladimir
Putin at the G20 gathering in Argentina.
The defection of Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen, together with the assumption that a lot of
anti-Trump dirt will be spilled soon, means that the American president had to be even more
cautious than ever in any dealings with Moscow and all he needed was a nod of approval from
National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to cancel the
encounter. A heads-of-state meeting might not have solved anything but it certainly would be
better than the current drift towards a new cold war. If the United States has only one vitally
important relationship anywhere it is with Russia as the two countries are ready, able and
apparently willing to destroy the world under the aegis of self-defense.
Given the anti-Russian hysteria prevailing in the U.S. and the ability of the neocons to
switch on the media, it should come as no surprise that the Russian-Ukrainian incident
immediately generated calls from the press and politicians for the White House to get tough
with the Kremlin. It is important to note that the United States has no actual national
interest in getting involved in a war between Russia and Ukraine if that should come about. The
two Eastern European countries are neighbors and have a long history of both friendship and
hostility but the only thing clear about the conflict is that it is up to them to sort things
out and no amount of sanctions and jawing by concerned congressmen will change that fact.
Other Eastern European nations that similarly have problems with Russia should also be
considered provocateurs as they seek to create tension to bind the United States more closely
to them through the NATO alliance. The reality is that today's Russian Federation is not the
Soviet Union and it neither aspires to nor can afford hegemony over its former allies. What it
has made very clear that it does want is a modus vivendi where Russia itself is not
being threatened by the West.
Recent
military maneuvers in Poland and Lithuania and the stationing of new missiles in Eastern
Europe do indeed pose a genuine threat to Moscow as it places NATO forces on top of Russia's
border. When Russia reacts to incursions by NATO warships and planes right along its borders,
it is accused of acting aggressively. One wonders how the U.S. government would respond if a
Russian aircraft carrier were to take up position off the eastern seaboard and were to begin
staging reconnaissance flights. Or if the Russian army were to begin military exercises with
the Cubans? Does anyone today remember the Bay of Pigs?
Crying wolf provides a perfect pretext for the Empire's MIC to line the pockets of the
merchants of death. In keeping with its time-honored tradition of propping up tyrants
kowtowing to imperial hegemonic wishes, America hardly has friends without some military
collaboration. Even the recently anointed sh*thole countries of Africa over 50 such countries
have American military cooperation agreements under the guise of the infamous AFRICOM and the
War on Terror. The number of military bases in sh*thole African countries remain unknown.
..the ability of the neocons to switch on the media
Hard to distinguish between the two really. The "free press" of WMD notoriety, Ghaddafi's
"genocidal drive" against Libyan citizens, Iraq's involvement with 9/11? Iranian arms in
Yemen that have not massacred children in school buses? Iranian fabricated nuclear weapons?
Syrian chemical attacks?
The biggest threats to America come from its "friends"
America is being unwittingly exonerated as an innocent bystander unable to choose her own
friends. It so happens America's "friends" share the common trait of pushing for war. In
countries awash in petrodollars, purchasing billions of dollars in arms used in Yemen to
murder children; Zionists are gifted with American state of the art arsenals to murder
Palestinians, including women and children. The biggest threat to America comes from inside
the deep state itself, especially with the Zionist Israel Firsters pulling strings at
will.
I agree with Phil Giraldi on its analysis of US foreign policy. When lying with dogs, you get
fleas. This saying holds especially true for the so-called US friends such as the Saudis,
Israelis, Ukrainians, Poles, and the Brits. The NeoZion gang plays President Trump is an open
secret. He still employes one of its guiding spirits as national security adviser. As long
this Gordian knot is not cut, American foreign policy will not change, and it's getting
worse. These folks who surround Trump want war, first with Iran and then with Russia. Their
lackey Poroshenko is doing the bitting of Trump and the Zionist regime and their European
puppets. The Zionist regime is deeply involved in steering up tensions. Prime minister
Wolodymyr Hrojsman is Jewish. Is anyone surprised?
What chance does peace have with these people having Trump's ear: Javanka Kushner, Gina
Haspel, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, Mad Dog Mattis, and John Bolton?
Around 1890 one Rothschild wrote to another 'the only enemy of jews is jews'.
In my opinion at present the only enemy of the USA is the USA, that part of the USA that
failed in getting Hillary elected.
On the European continent a similar situation, even an establishment Dutch politician, of a
christian party, Segers, found out that a substantial part of the Dutch see the government as
the enemy.
He has the illusion that pr can save him, and his cronies.
He never understood. That was evident the moment he started floating names like Romney for
his cabinet. Personally, I sympathize with Trump after what the deep state has done to him
and his family, and I even respect the guy for telling things like they are – the poor
autistic bastard just can't help but blurt out the truth about things* but he's also not the
guy we needed. We needed a fearless, ruthless, and cunning fighter ready to martyr himself
for our interests, the people's interests.
*Global Warming IS a scam – the Paris Accords would not decrease CO2 levels even
under perfect – near miraculous – circumstances and is merely being floated by
the Chinese so they can give off the appearance of doing something while doing nothing, as
they have done before.
The EU IS a vehicle for Germany.
Hatti IS a shit hole, it's just that non-autistic people have the good sense not to say
that out loud.
Trudeau DOES have a fake eyebrow.
Hillary DOES wear a wig, or at least hair extensions on occasion.
China IS screwing us over economically.
Mexico isn't sending us their best, they are dumping their poverty problem onto us.
NATO doesn't have a purpose.
We shouldn't go to war with N. Korea.
We shouldn't destroy Syria but destroy ISIS.
John Brennan and the FBI really did run a deep state coup plot against him during the
campaign and first 100 days.
Russia isn't a big deal unless we make them a big deal.
@jilles dykstra 'One
of many truths lost within this discourse is the reality that the creation of a no-fly zone
would, in the words of the most senior general in the US Armed Forces, mean the US going to
war "against Syria and Russia". '
For a peek into Establishment orthodoxy, check out "Why Does America Spend So Much on
Israel?" on Beltway Conservatism's Cartoon Network, aka the PragerU Channel. I've recently
started auditing classes there via the Videos page here at The Unz Review.
Beyond parody, a pensioned warrior narrates over 3rd grade graphics, telling most
Americans all they care to know about what he calls "Izrul." Perhaps Mr. Giraldi could,
despite the apparent taboo, leave a comment and get some discussion going with the Team Red
NPCs -- it hasn't worked for me.
@Art I've wondered
why we are the way we are. Then I came across this, and I understood:
D.H. Lawrence
"All the other stuff, the love, the democracy, the floundering into lust, is a sort of
by-play. The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet
melted."
This shtick of blaming US state crimes on foreign influence is getting annoying. You know
none of this would be happening if the DO didn't like it. If you want to stop CIA's common
plan or conspiracy for war, you've got to end the impunity that permits it. Ratify the Rome
Statute. With the judiciary completely gelded, that's the only way to get the CIA regime
under control. It's that or DCI Poppy Hager swings at Nuremberg II.
"All the other stuff, the love, the democracy, the floundering into lust, is a
sort of by-play. The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has
never yet melted."
The leading sponsors of terror in the world are Israel and the Zionist controlled U.S. and
Britain and NATO and their terrorist mercenaries ISIS aka AL CIADA and all of the various off
shoots that have been seeded throughout the world by the satanic Zionists.
The Zionists have a long historical experience with bringing terror to the world , one
example being the Zionist/ Bolshevik revolution in Russia where the Bolsheviks killed some 60
million Russians bringing terror to Russia on an industrial level turning the whole country
into a slaughter house!
The Zionist attack on the WTC is but another example of Zionist terrorism, where in one
fell swoop the Zionists killed some 3000 Americans and got away with it and every thinking
American knows that the Zionists did it!
The greatest terrorist kabal in the world is Zionism and these terrorists have control of
every facet of the U.S. government and at some point are going to provoke a war with Russia
that will get the whole world blown to hell and in fact this is what the Zionists want as
they believe they will survive in their DUMBS akd Deep Underground Military Bases which they
have in the U.S. and Israel and Britain, but they care not for the rest of humanity, that is
terrorism in spades!
The enemy is not at the gates , the enemy is in control of the U.S. government and is
going to be the destruction of America!
You can't really pin Ukraine on Trump. Maidan was not spontaneous.
Nuland admitted to spending $5 billion to set Maidan up. That $5B is worth 10 times that
much in Ukraine. You don't spend that kind of money unless you have a follow up plan, and
NATOizing Ukraine to attack Russia was it. The trigger was NATO's bitch, the EU, creating
such a horrible deal for Ukraine that only an imbecile would have accepted it. Viktor
Yanukovych was no imbecile. The "Russian deal" wasn't all that great for Ukraine either, it
was just infinitely better than the turd the EU told Yanukovych to sign.
The real story on Russia is this: the same people that own every "Western liberal
democracy" owned the USSR. The Russians got rid of them, and the USSR collapsed. A new
invasion was hatched under the guise of "Westernizing" Russia. When the Russians saw that
Yeltsin was suckered, and it was the same game, run by the same people, they got a new
sheriff. That sheriff started to sort things out, while the owners fled to the UK and Israel.
The lives of Russians got better, as the owners are gradually being stripped of their power.
The long and short of it, our owners want their ownership of Russia restored.
All wars are economic wars. Capitalism and communism are the two sides of the same coin.
Both seek to concentrate ownership, just in different ways using different scams.
The reason why Trump supports the Ukraine is easy.
"According to the European Jewish Congress, as of 2014, there are 360,000–400,000
Jews in Ukraine."
And there you have it. Wherever or whatever the interest of Jewry there will be the United States standing tall
behind it. Let's just say the Ukraine is guaranteed to stay poor. While the Jews get rich!
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is clearly exploiting a situation that he himself
provoked. He envisions setting himself up as a victim of Moscow to aid in his attempts to
establish his own power through a security relationship with Washington. That in turn will
help his bid for reelection in March 2019 elections
Nah, Porky needs a war to avoid an election which he would undoubtedly lose.
There's no use having an empire if you can't exact an economic advantage. Ultimately, most of
the events unfolding today are about keeping the loot flowing to lower Manhattan and central
London.
Teenagers who get in trouble often have to ditch their bad friends to turn their lives
around. There is still a chance for the United States if we keep our distance from the bad
friends
It's hard to do if you are in fact the worst of those bad friends.
friends who have been convincing us to make poor choices.
The poor choices had been made long before these friends even appeared on the scene. In
fact, many of these friends owe their very existence and/or influence to the poor choices the
US had made. It's so disingenuous to blame the US politics on someone's influence when the
reality is exactly the opposite.
If the US were in normal country prepared to behave in a sensible way it would've picked
much better partners. But the thing is the US isn't a normal country; it doesn't want
partners – in wants vassals, so it is naturally limited in its choice of friends.
September 17, 2014 US Pursues 134 Wars Around the World
The US is now involved in 134 wars or none, depending on your definition of war The White
House spent much of last week trying to figure out if the word "war" was the right one to
describe its military actions against the Islamic State. US Secretary of State John Kerry was
at first reluctant: "We're engaged in a major counterterrorism operation," he told CBS News
on Sept. 11. "I think war is the wrong terminology and analogy but the fact is that we are
engaged in a very significant global effort to curb terrorist activity I don't think people
need to get into war fever on this. I think they have to view it as a heightened level of
counter terrorist activity." – Global Post
"Not only are white supremacists from across the West flocking to Ukraine to learn from
the combat experience of their fascist brothers-in-arms, they are doing so openly, under the
nose of a shrugging law enforcement -- chronicling their experiences on social media before
they bring their lessons back home."
The timing was good for Poroshenko for his own domestic political reasons but it was
also an opportunity for the neocons warmongers that surround Trump and proliferate inside
the Beltway to scuttle any possible meeting between a vulnerable Donald Trump and Vladimir
Putin at the G20 gathering in Argentina.
Trump isn't vulnerable he hired the Deep State apparatchiks, Bolton, Pompeo and many
others. Trump is a Deep Stater and is doing a great Kabuki theater to dupe his followers into
believing his hands are tied.
How do YOU expect me (and others) to swallow YOUR position?
with a great gulps of satisfaction, that's how.
The conflict between Russia and Ukraine was manufactured by the ZUS State Dept. ((Victoria
Nuland)) and John McBloodstain in particular, when Putin upset the Zionist's plans to do a
'Libya' – to Syria.
It was a bloody coup foisted with 5 billion federal reserve note$, of the famous phone
call ('Yats is our guy'). Since then the imbeciles in Ukraine have been doing Nazi salutes
while taking orders from Jewish supremacist Zionists like Ihor Kolomoyskyi and assorted ZUS
Zionists.
The conflict with Iran started when the CIA deposed the duly elected president Mohammed
Mossadeq in 1953, and installed the brutal quisling Shah in his place. To keep the Iranian
people terrorized for decades into submitting to this perfidy, they utilized the CIA and
Mossad run SAVAK.
"We must confront Russian cheating on their nuclear obligations," Pompeo said at the
conclusion of the NATO meeting, claiming the U.S. has warned Russia to re-enter compliance
about 30 times over the past five years. He urged the West to increase pressure, arguing it can
no longer "bury its head in the sand" over repeat violations.
But for the first time Pompeo signaled it's not too late to salvage the treaty, despite
Trump already saying the US it taking steps to pull out: he said Washington "would welcome a
Russian change of heart."
On Oct. 20 President Trump first announced the United States' planned withdrawal from the
historic treaty brokered by Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and US President Ronald Reagan
in 1987. At the time Russia's Foreign Ministry
slammed the move as "a very dangerous step" which is ultimately part of "continuing
attempts to achieve Russia's concessions through blackmail". Russian officials have issued the
counter-charge that it is the US that's out of compliance with the treaty.
The US is waging unconstitutional war in Syria without authorization of the UNSC but
Pompeo has the effrontery to lecture the Russians on their "lawlessness."
Is there ONE freaking day out of the year when some senior official of the USG is not
acting like an utter horse's ***?
Putin should just have the SVR make some fake "proof" Trump is a Russian agent and feed it
to the democratic-isis-******-lover party and let them tear Trump a new *******.
Considering it was the democrats who first pushed this muh russian meddlings, can't even
see how will the US be able to pull itself out of this (****)hole they dug for
themselves...
So the US with a big lead in ballistic missiles and anti-ballistic missiles, wants to blow
that up to promote the development of long range stealth cruise missiles, well, I guess there
must be a massive profit in it.
The normal rule in a arms race though, the big losers are the countries with the biggest
lead in current war technologies, when new technologies enter the fray, negating existing
investments and bankrupting that country as the right off their existing lead and having to
race to play catch up and take the lead again.
It's like the crazy, the US leads in space, great lets that it into a battlefield and
eliminate that lead, why, just ******* why would you be stupid enough, banning war in space
protects you lead, promoting war in space ends it. Blocking long range cruise missiles
protects the US lead in ballistic missiles and anti-ballistics missile systems, allowing it
ends that lead.
Now in the most idiotic fashion, the US has declared it will arbitrarily leave that treaty
without any evidence of anything, now setting the precedent, that any country can withdraw
from any treaty with the US for any arbitrary reason because that is the behaviour the US
government has set precedent for, why hold any treaty with the US, when they will pull out at
any time for any reason. The probable message from the rest of the world to the US, yeah ****
off America, we are not Native Americans who exist for you to abuse us
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/01/18/368559990/broken-promises-on-display-at-native-american-treaties-exhibit
(we know it is in the American government nature but **** off anyhow).
What a pompous *** Pompeo is. After his lies about MbS how can I trust him on this issue.
Is the US clean? They are certainly not in compliance with the chemical weapons treaty having
destroyed no stockpiles as they agreed to do....almost 2 decades after the treaty was
signed.
Treaties are ******** unless the parties to them actually implement them and follow the
rules. The US seems to believe they have an inherent right to ignore the treaties they sign
up to. Why anyone deals with them I have no idea.
Where did Trump get these Bush 2,Zionist pig holdovers?
After Bush 2 dumped ABM treaty NATO/US have been creeping up to Russias border.
Then in 2014, Obama & Nuland decided it would be a good idea to effect regime change
in Ukraine and put neonazi thugs on Russia's border.
EU Israhelli clients all know this is ******** about Russia. But Russia pissed off the
Zionist entity in interfering with Yinon/7countries in five years plan.
How LONG are we going to put up with this Zionist attack on our country?
They are asking why Russia not keeping treaty while we violate it?
Secretary of war Mike Pompeo
Washington Seeks 'Pretext' to Abandon INF Treaty - Russian Envoy to US
"...We are accused of violating the Treaty by allegedly possessing a certain 9M729
missile that violates the accord's provisions. However, we do not see any clear facts or
arguments that could lead to conclusions of violations,"
Sputnik Here
Russia, China, Iran challenging global US leadership: Pompeo
"..US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has targeted Russia, China and Iran for opposing
Washington's "leadership role". PressTv
Just accuse without any specific evidence.
another
China has simply made no effort to halt its ongoing pattern of aggressive
, predatory trade .
US always blaming others while violating every law and treaty known to man.
" I regret that we now most likely will see the end of the INF Treaty," North Atlantic
Treaty Organization Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg declared ...
Fixed: " I'm ecstatic that our fabricated accusations allows us to finally see the end of
the INF Treaty, which really benefits Russia far more than NATO," North Atlantic Treaty
Organization Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg declared ...
The whole point of the US strategy is to use short-range cruise missiles to take out
Russian retaliatory capability in a first strike, thereby destroying all of those hypersonic
weapons, and using their ABM systems to "clean up" any missiles that survived the initial
onslaught. The "advantage" of the short-range cruise missiles is that they greatly reduce
Russia's available response times - it basically must decide to annihilate the US within 5
minutes of notice of an attack, or face being wiped out with no retaliatory capabilities. (It
is worth noting that, in the past, false alarms have lasted for longer than 5 minutes.)
This is by far the most destabilizing, dangerous move, ever - any false blip on a Russian
radar can lead to an all-out nuclear exchange. It is infinitely more threatening to humanity
than "global warming". Brought to you by the Evil Drumfpster.
The Dead Man Hand only allows you to respond with capabilities that have survived and that
are not eliminated by the ABM. The 5 minutes notice is until the vast majority of your
nuclear arsenal is decimated - dead hand (i.e., ability to retaliate if the leadership is
entirely decapitated) or not.
Is Mike Pompeo Starting to Look Like Kim Jong Un? He is talking like communist leader at
Communist party congress.
Mike Pompeo argued that Trump's reassertion of national sovereignty through his "America
First" policy would make those institutions function better. "In the finest traditions of our
great democracy, we are rallying the noble nations of the world to build a new liberal order
that prevents war and achieves greater prosperity for all," Pompeo said at a speech at the
German Marshall Fund thinktank. "We're
supporting institutions that we believe can be improved; institutions that work in American
interests – and yours – in service of our shared values."
He listed a series of current international institutions, including the EU, UN, World Bank
and the International Monetary Fund, that he said were no longer serving their mission they
were created.
The remarks were frequently punctuated with praise for Trump, who is referred to 13 times
in the text. Pompeo portrayed his president as restoring an era of triumphal US leadership in
the world, for the first time since the end of the cold war.
"This American leadership allowed us to enjoy the greatest human flourishing in modern
history," the secretary of state said. "We won the cold war. We won the peace. With no small
measure of George HW Bush's effort, we reunited Germany. This is the type of leadership that
President Trump is boldly reasserting."
President [George H. W.] Bush used to talk about a new world order, based on shared rules
and on cooperation among free nations. I was at high school at the time, and I remember
perfectly well the sense of hope and of opening that one could breathe in Europe over these
years.
He imagined - and I quote - "a world where the rule of law supplants the role of the
jungle; a world in which nations recognise their shared responsibility for freedom and
justice; a world where the strong respect the rights of the weak."
My generation believed in this vision, believed in the possibility for this vision to turn
into reality, to become true, especially in Europe - a continent divided by the Cold War. We
hoped that after the Cold War a more cooperative world order would indeed be possible and
indeed be built.
Today, I am afraid we have to admit that such a new world order has never truly
materialised and worse, there is a real risk today that the rule of the jungle replaces the
rule of law. The same international treaties - so many in which we are together - that ended
the Cold War are today put into question.
Instead of building a new order, we have to today invest a huge part of our energy in
preventing the current rules from being dismantled piece by piece.
Like many people, I do not find what is known as the concept of Mutual Assured
Destruction, or MAD to be reassuring. Spurring the creation of more ways to use nuclear
weapons is what ending the INF Treaty will do. Joschka Fischer, German Foreign Minister, and
Vice-Chancellor from 1998-2005 writes;
In this new environment, the "rationality of deterrence" maintained by the United
States and the Soviet Union during the Cold War has eroded. Now, if nuclear proliferation
increases, the threshold for using nuclear weapons will likely fall.
The nuclear deterrent we hold is a hundred times larger than needed to stop anyone sane or
rational from attacking America, and for anyone else, an arsenal of any size will be
insufficient. What we are talking about is the Intermediate-range Nuclear-Forces treaty also
known as the INF Treaty which limits short-range missiles. The article below explores the
insanity of a new arms race.
China and Russia don't want a military arms race but they will get one. The funny part is
they will confide in Trump about their woes and he will mimic their desires but not agree
with them.
"We are either going to have a REAL DEAL with China, or no deal at all - at which point we
will be charging major Tariffs against Chinese product being shipped into the United States.
Ultimately, I believe, we will be making a deal - either now or into the future....
The tributes to former President George H.W. Bush, who died on Friday aged 94, have been
pouring in from all sides of the political spectrum. He was a man "of the highest character,"
said his
eldest son and fellow former president, George W. Bush. "He loved America and served with
character, class, and integrity," tweeted former U.S. Attorney and #Resistance icon Preet
Bharara. According to another former president, Barack Obama , Bush's life was "a
testament to the notion that public service is a noble, joyous calling. And he did tremendous
good along the journey." Apple boss Tim Cook said : "We have lost a great
American."
In the age of Donald Trump, it isn't difficult for hagiographers of the late Bush Sr. to
paint a picture of him as a great patriot and pragmatist; a president who governed with "class"
and "integrity." It is true that the former president refused to vote for Trump in 2016,
calling him a " blowhard ," and that he eschewed the
white nationalist, "alt-right," conspiratorial politics that has come to define the modern
Republican Party. He helped end the Cold War without, as Obama said , "firing a shot." He spent
his life serving his country -- from the military to Congress to the United Nations to the CIA
to the White House. And, by all accounts, he was also a beloved grandfather and
great-grandfather to his 17 grandkids and eight great-grandkids
.
Nevertheless, he was a public,
not a private, figure -- one of only 44 men to have ever served as president of the United
States. We cannot, therefore, allow his actual record in office to be beautified in such a
brazen way. "When a political leader dies, it is irresponsible in the extreme to demand that
only praise be permitted but not criticisms," as my colleague Glenn Greenwald has argued
, because it leads to "false history and a propagandistic whitewashing of bad acts."
The inconvenient truth is that the presidency of George Herbert Walker Bush had far more in
common with the recognizably belligerent, corrupt, and right-wing Republican figures who came
after him - his son George W. and the current orange-faced incumbent - than much of the
political and media classes might have you believe.
Consider:
... ... ...
He made a dishonest case for war . Thirteen years before George W. Bush lied about weapons
of mass destruction to justify his invasion and occupation of Iraq, his father made his own set
of false claims to justify the aerial bombardment of that same country. The first Gulf War, as
an investigation by journalist Joshua Holland
concluded , "was sold on a mountain of war propaganda."
For a start, Bush told the American public that Iraq had invaded Kuwait " without provocation or warning
." What he omitted to mention was that the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, had given an
effective
green light to Saddam Hussein, telling him in July 1990, a week before
his invasion, "[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement
with Kuwait."
Then there is the fabrication of intelligence. Bush deployed U.S. troops to the Gulf in
August 1990 and claimed that he was doing
so in order "to assist the Saudi Arabian Government in the defense of its homeland." As Scott
Peterson wrote in the Christian Science
Monitor in 2002, "Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated that up to
250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the border, threatening the key U.S. oil
supplier."
Yet when reporter Jean Heller of the St. Petersburg Times acquired her own commercial
satellite images of the Saudi border, she found no signs of Iraqi forces; only an empty desert.
"It was a pretty serious fib," Heller told Peterson, adding: "That [Iraqi
buildup] was the whole justification for Bush sending troops in there, and it just didn't
exist."
President George H. W. Bush talks with Secretary of State James Baker III and Secretary of
Defense Dick Cheney during a meeting of the cabinet in the White House on Jan. 17, 1991 to
discuss the Persian Gulf War. Photo: Ron Edmonds/AP
He committed war crimes. Under Bush Sr., the U.S. dropped a whopping 88,500
tons of bombs on Iraq and Iraqi-occupied Kuwait, many of which resulted in horrific
civilian casualties. In February 1991, for example, a U.S. airstrike on an air-raid shelter in
the Amiriyah neighborhood of Baghdad killed at least
408 Iraqi civilians . According to Human Rights Watch , the Pentagon knew
the Amiriyah facility had been used as a civil defense shelter during the Iran-Iraq war and yet
had attacked without warning. It was, concluded HRW, "a serious violation of the laws of
war."
U.S. bombs also destroyed essential Iraqi civilian
infrastructure -- from electricity-generating and water-treatment facilities to food-processing
plants and flour mills. This was no accident. As Barton Gellman of the Washington Post
reported in June 1991: "Some targets, especially late in the war, were bombed primarily to
create postwar leverage over Iraq, not to influence the course of the conflict itself. Planners
now say their intent was to destroy or damage valuable facilities that Baghdad could not repair
without foreign assistance. Because of these goals, damage to civilian structures and
interests, invariably described by briefers during the war as 'collateral' and unintended, was
sometimes neither."
Got that? The Bush administration deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure for
"leverage" over Saddam Hussein. How is this not terrorism? As a Harvard public health team
concluded in June 1991, less than four months after the end of the war, the destruction of
Iraqi infrastructure had resulted in acute malnutrition and "epidemic" levels of cholera and
typhoid.
By January 1992, Beth Osborne Daponte, a demographer with the U.S. Census Bureau,
was estimating that Bush's Gulf War had caused the deaths of 158,000 Iraqis, including
13,000 immediate civilian deaths and 70,000 deaths from the damage done to electricity and
sewage treatment plants. Daponte's numbers contradicted the Bush administration's, and she was
threatened by her superiors with dismissal for releasing " false information. " (Sound
familiar?)
He refused to cooperate with a special counsel . The Iran-Contra affair , in which the
United States traded missiles for Americans hostages in Iran, and used the proceeds of those
arms sales to fund Contra rebels in Nicaragua, did much to undermine the presidency of Ronald
Reagan. Yet his vice president's involvement in that controversial affair has garnered far less
attention. "The criminal investigation of Bush was regrettably incomplete," wrote Special
Counsel Lawrence Walsh, a former deputy attorney general in the Eisenhower administration, in
his final report on the
Iran-Contra affair in August 1993.
Why? Because Bush, who was "fully aware of the Iran arms sale," according to the special
counsel, failed to hand over a diary "containing contemporaneous notes relevant to Iran/contra"
and refused to be interviewed in the later stages of the investigation. In the final days of
his presidency, Bush even issued
pardons to six defendants in the Iran-Contra affair, including former Defense Secretary
Caspar Weinberger -- on the eve of Weinberger's trial for perjury and obstruction of
justice. "The Weinberger pardon," Walsh pointedly noted, "marked the first time a president
ever pardoned someone in whose trial he might have been called as a witness, because the
president was knowledgeable of factual events underlying the case." An angry Walsh accused
Bush of "misconduct" and helping to complete "the Iran-contra cover-up."
I knew there was something wrong with Donald Trump's presidency the day he bombed the
airbase at Al-Shairat in Syria. It was a turning point. I knew it was a mistake the moment he
did it and argued as such at the time.
No act by him was more contentious.
It cost me hundreds of followers gained throughout the campaign who wanted to believe Trump
was playing 4-D chess. My Periscopes went from being events to afterthoughts.
Those that left needed to believe this because they had invested so much in him.
They had to believe he was playing some deep game with Putin to bring peace to the
region.
He wasn't.
I was right and truth is painful. The need for him to be Orange Jesus was so strong they
created Qanon and the 'science' of political horoscope as slowly but surely Trump was stripped
of all of his power except that of complaining about how unfair it all is.
That day he did something in the moment, with bad intelligence and let fly with tomahawks
which Russian and Syrian air defenses misdirected and/or shot down.
Empty President
His goal was to show everyone there was a new, strong sheriff in town.
All it did was weaken him.
The neocons praised him as presidential. They began to get their hooks in him then. But
truly, Trump was destroyed before he took office, giving up Michael Flynn, expelling Russian
diplomats and compromising his cabinet picks.
Because making war is the only true test of a President to the laptop bombardiers who
control foreign policy. With that one act Trump's days as an independent agent in D.C. were
numbered.
And since then the hope has been that given the enormity of the opposition to his Presidency
he was still fighting for what he campaigned on -- no nation building, bring the empire home,
protect the borders, and clean up the corruption.
He's made a few minor changes but not enough to change the course of this country and, by
extension, the world.
The people want this change. Those with the power don't.
G-20 Ghost
So here we are with a pathetic Trump outclassed at the G-20, a meeting he should dominate
but instead is ushered around like a child, given poor earpieces and looking a little lost.
He's only allowed to have one meeting of note by his handlers, with China's Xi Jinping.
Because that meeting wasn't going to end with anything damaging to the long-term plan.
Trump's tariff game is tired and all it will do is hasten the demise of U.S. competitiveness in
the very industries he wants us to be competitive in.
Because tariffs are a band-aid on the real problems of bureaucracy, corruption, waste and
sloth within an economy. They are not a product of China stealing our technology (though they
have).
And that $1 trillion deficit Trump is running? Music to the ears of the globalists who want
the U.S. brought low. More military spending. More boondoggles the banks can cut a nice big
check to themselves for with funny money printed without risk. This can go on for a few more
years until it doesn't matter anymore.
Trump's folding on meeting Putin is the final nail in his presidency's coffin. He's not even
allowed to make statements on this issue anymore. That's for Sarah Sanders, Mike Pomposity and
John Bolt-head to do.
You know, the grown-ups in the room.
No. Putin and Trump met once when they weren't supposed to and since then Trump has been
getting smaller and smaller. Sure, he held some rallies for the mid-terms to shore up his base
for a few weeks while the Democrats stole more than a dozen House seats, three governorships
and a couple of Senate seats, but hey he's still working hard for no pay.
Please.
Trump needed to show some real moral courage and speak with Putin about the Kerch Strait
incident like men, not sulk in the corner over a couple of ships. And yet his still throws his
full support behind a butcher like Mohammed bin Salman because arms sales and Iran.
Putin, for his part, makes no bones about doing business with the Saudis. He knows that bin
Salman is creating a quagmire for Trump while driving the U.S. and European Deep State mad.
For this Secretary of Defense James Mattis calls Putin, " A slow learner." This is a
flat-out threat that Mattis has more coming Putin's way. But in fact, it is Mattis who is the
slow learner since he still thinks Putin isn't three steps ahead of him.
Which he is. The game is all about time and money. And thanks to Mattis and, yes, Trump,
Putin will win the war of attrition he is playing.
Because that is what has been going on here from the beginning. Iran, China and Russia know
what the U.S. power brokers want and they knew Trump would always cave to them. So, they knew
exactly how to get Trump to over-commit to a strategy that cannot and will not ever come to
fruition.
I warned that Trump's blind-spot when it comes to Iran was his weakness. I warned that he
would eventually justify breaking every foreign policy promise to fulfill his plan to unite the
Sunni world behind him and Israel by giving them Iran.
The End of the Beginning
Welcome to today. And welcome to the end of Trump's presidency because now he is
pot-committed to regime change while the vultures circle him domestically. He has become Bush
the Lesser with arguably better hair.
He has alienated everyone the world over with sanctions and tariffs, hence his desire to "
Get me out of here " as the G-20 wound down. No one believes he matters anymore. By tying
himself to the Saudis and the Israelis the way he has he, the master negotiator, has left
himself no room to negotiate.
And that is leading to everyone defying him versus cutting deals to carve up the world, end
the empire and come home.
Trump is not leading here. He is being led. And change requires leaders. He has been led
down the path so many presidents have, more militarism, more empire. Because when you're the
Emperor everyone is your enemy. This is the paranoia of a late-stage imperial mindset.
It certainly is the mindset of Trump's closest advisors - Mattis, Bolton and Pompeo.
So Trump's "America First' instincts, no matter how genuine, have been twisted into
something worse than evil, they are now ineffectual keepers of the status quo fueling ruinous
neoconservative dreams of central Asian dominance.
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His nose is wedged right up Adelson's & Bibi's ring-hole.
Even as we speak now, 100 drones crossed over from Turkey into Syria with French experts
modifying them to accept warheads of a chemical nature. Simultaneously the innovative British
military are providing miscellaneous WMD's/support to Jabhat-Al -Nusra in Idlib.
Time for Putin/Russia to take these cockroaches/vermin out in quick time, for their own
good.
Trump's grasshopper mind could be construed for severe Alzheimer's.
Trump boasted of how HE would "Make the US Military Great again" (as if it wasn't too big
to begin with..) and spent $16 billion EXTRA on 'defence,' yet now he suddenly flip-flopped
and calls defence spending "crazy."
Spot on, I completely agree with Luongo, and #metoo have been saying this for a long
time.
Trump's unstable and unhinged waffling, lying and flip-flopping (i.e. "4D chess") is
finally beginning to catch up with him and his presidency will not be marked with him being
the one who drained the swamp, but a presidency marked with a trail of destruction.
He has talked himself into so many corners, that it will be impossible to back out of
those corners....unless of course he turns the volume of his bullshitting, lying and waffling
up to 11.
"You can fool some people some of the time, but you can't fool all people all of the
time."
It's easy to fool dumb American Trumptards, but it's not easy fooling the Russians, the
Europeans and the Chinese. They see right through his fake bravado and ********.
"I am certain that, at some time in the future, President Xi and I, together with
President Putin of Russia, will start talking about a meaningful halt to what has become a
major and uncontrollable Arms Race," Trump wrote. "The U.S. spent 716 Billion Dollars this
year. Crazy!"
Another classic Tweet from Captain Bonespurs. No wall, no change to healthcare, no
immigration policy, no amazing trade agreements, no slavery, no mandatory mullets, no
mandatory bible study at school, no burning of witches. And now he is talking about reducing
the largest military budget in history.
Trump is finished. He had two years to replace Sessions and Rosenstein and have someone at
the DOJ appoint a Special Councils for each item to look into:
The Clinton Foundation
Uranium One Deal
Hillary's Email Server
The murder of Seth Rich
The Benghazi Consulate Disaster
The Democrats computer scandal with the Iwan brothers.
Bill Clinton giving China classified missile and sub technology
The unelected Deep State actors controlling the country.
Q is a total ******* fraud. Trump has 3 weeks before he is assraped and left bleeding on
the floor by the Democrats and the RHINO's in the senate. If he gets impeached, Pence will be
impeached and Nitwit Nancy becomes POTUS. And within 2 months of that happening, we will have
full balls out, open Civil War II.
"... This is why China's social credit system is chilling. It will create a nation of conformist cowards. China is spiraling back into the mindset that made it fall behind. A nation where everyone is too afraid to say his piece. New China may allow money-making, but when a society favors profits over freedom and conscience, it becomes crass, shallow, and materialistic. ..."
We do not really have freedom of speech. Say "ni ** er" once and you can lose a job of
thirty years. Or criticize Jews, Israel, blacks, homosexuals, Muslims, feminists, or
transsexuals.
There is direct censorship and indirect censorship. Direct censorship is what China has.
It prohibits certain kind of speech, period. Indirect censorship is what the US has in
increasing measure. You can say whatever, but if you say the 'wrong' thing, the consequences
are so dire(especially economically) that you are effectively tarred & feathered, shunned
and destroyed. Rick Sanchez found out how this works after he said Jews dominate in the
media. And CNN recently fired a black guy for defending Palestine at the UN.
Marc Lamont Hill dared to mention that 2018 is the 70th anniversary of Nakba Pogroms that
wiped Palestine off the map and that the current Zionist regime uses Apartheid Policies in
Occupied West Bank as continuation of Western Imperialism that wages war on indigenous
nationalism of the Palestinian people. Jew-run CNN got rid of him, which goes to show that
Jews are holier than blacks(and certainly the long-suffering Palestinians).
Personally, I think there are some cases where firing-based-on-speech is warranted. If an
organization is inherently ideological, then it has every right to hire or fire people based
on their views and convictions. So, if National Review feels that one of its writers is too
leftist, he may be fired. Or a person that seems hostile to Zionism may be fired by
Commentary Magazine that is committed to Israel First Policy.
But most professions are non-ideological, and it seems utterly wrong to fire someone on
the basis of creed, conscience, or conviction. And progressives would have agreed with this
position in the 50s when many communists and fellow-travelers were either fired/blacklisted
or threatened with such, not least in Hollywood. Also, as long as a person performs his
duties well at work, what does it matter what he believes in his personal life? If one's
personal creed, ideology, or faith is the basis of whether he can have a job or use financial
services, then we no longer have a free society. According to Jewish-controlled PC, in order
for you to be able to work and live, it means you can't have certain personal beliefs.
Personal conviction and creed have been professionalized, i.e. no work and wages for people
with certain views.
Now, imagine if a business fires anyone suspected of being a Zionist on the basis that
Zionism is imperialism and commits 'genocide' against Palestinians. Would Jews tolerate this?
Of course not. And I would agree with Jews. No Jew should be fired for his Zionist beliefs
EVEN IF the owner of the business believes Zionism is evil. Richard Dawkins is virulently
anti-religious and believes religious faith is a mental disease of ignorance and hatred. But
if he owned a trucking company, should he fire people on the basis of their faith because he
believes religion is a 'hate system of the mind'?
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Now, there are certain exceptions. Certain jobs are publicity-oriented and involve putting
forth an image. So, if a company wants to project a certain kind of image or message and IF
its representative or spokesman or spokeswoman is associated with certain kind of ideology, I
can see why the company would want to let that person go. If a company is about Family Values
and if it turns out that its representative is a wild swinger and promotes promiscuity, I can
see why the company would let that person go EVEN IF the person acts wild in his personal
life. But most jobs are not publicity-related, and it is simply wrong to deny someone work
and wages based on what he believes in his personal life.
This is why China's social credit system is chilling. It will create a nation of
conformist cowards. China is spiraling back into the mindset that made it fall behind. A
nation where everyone is too afraid to say his piece. New China may allow money-making, but
when a society favors profits over freedom and conscience, it becomes crass, shallow, and
materialistic.
Now, the Chinese may be pushing such a rule because they see the Free West as decadent and
degenerate as a result of excess freedom. But this is where the Chinese would be wrong. The
West rotted from lopsided freedom that favored the power and expression of certain groups
over others. West lost its sense of balance because voices of certain groups and interests
were effectively silenced. It's like ecology. If you get rid of certain species, the natural
balance goes out of whack and things fall apart. If you get rid of predators, it may seem
good for the prey animals, but in time, the herbivores multiply and eat up all the vegetation
and destroy their habitats. So, there has to be a balance of prey and predators in nature.
The problem of EU is that following WWII, the Right was effectively silenced because it was
associated with Nazism. Thus, leftist elements grew too strong and out-of-control. Now,
leftism is invaluable to modern society, but it needs to be balanced by rightism that is also
essential to social equilibrium. But suppression of the right led to overgrowth of leftism
that led to crazy stuff like May 68 lunacy that paved the way for current degenerate France.
When left and right were both well-represented, they had to compete to remain healthy and
strong. But once the left was allowed to totally dominate culturally and ideologically, it
grew decadent and degenerate from corruption and self-satisfaction.
So, if China thinks the West became crazy due to excess of free speech and freedom in
general, it would be wrong. The West grew sick from suppression of rightist freedoms and
expressions in favor of leftist ideology and obsessions. In the West, even the far-left was
protected in academia and media BUT the far-right was banned. Only the wussy cuck-right and
bland 'white bread' right were tolerated. If any rightist lurched slightly more rightward, he
was denounced as 'far right'. As Jonathan Haidt has argued, Western academia is suffering
from lack of real discourse and back-and-forth argumentation. Because the leftists are
protected from challenge by rightists, the former has grown lazy, corrupt, decadent, and
flabby. Their hysterics are really about cowardice and unwillingness to face real challenge
from the Right. They demand protection from being 'triggered' by wrongthink or 'hate speech'.
They rarely directly address the voices on the Right. They just go for lazy short-cut of
denouncing others as 'racist' or 'nazi'.
But the problem isn't merely ideological but ethnic. When Wasps(or Anglo-Americans) ruled
America, it was fair game to notice that (1) Anglos got the power (2) Anglos got the
privilege (3) Anglos got the connections (4) Anglos hogged the prestige. So, despite the
great power of Anglos, they came under scrutiny and criticism, not least by reformist Anglos
who thought criticism and self-criticism were good things. Thus, there was a lively debate
among Wasps, Irish Catholics, various ethnics, Jews, and others. Though blacks were
suppressed for most of US history, they too became vocal and offered their perspective and
made demands that had validity. In terms of social debate, the period from mid 50s to the mid
80s were probably the golden age of free speech and debate. With each year, there was more
push for free speech, and many sides had their say. But the worrying development in that
period was the growing sacralization of Jews and blacks. It was one thing to allow Jews and
blacks to make their case and join in the national debate. Surely, Jews and blacks had their
own grievances and legit demands. But, just as undeniable was the fact that Jews and blacks
also caused a lot of problems that harmed other groups. Jewish role in US foreign policy led
to fiasco in the Middle East, especially at cost to Palestinians. And even though the Civil
Rights Movement was a great event in US history(and there's no denying the injustices done to
blacks), it was also true that blacks posed a threat to other races because blacks are more
muscular and more aggressive by nature. So, once blacks got equal legal protections, they
used much of their freedom to attack, rape, rob, and murder other peoples, leading to white
flight among not only white conservatives but white liberals and Jews. So, in a truly free
society, not only would Jews and blacks get to have their say against goyim & whites but
goyim & whites would get to air their grievances against Jews and blacks. That way, all
sides would say their piece and all sides would be checked and balanced by healthy and
constructive counter-criticism.
But the consecration of Jews and blacks as holy-schmoly groups made this nearly impossible.
So, while Jews could scream about 'anti-Semites' and 'Nazis' endlessly -- Jews now cry 'nazi'
like the kid cried 'wolf' -- , we are not allowed to notice Jewish power, Jewish abuses, and
Zionist tyranny over Palestinians. And no matter how much crime and violence blacks commit,
we are supposed to see Negroes only through the rose-tinted glasses of TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD
and MLK sermons. And no matter how many whites(and non-blacks) fall victim to black robbery,
beatings, rapes, and murders, we are supposed to wake up Groundhogday-like and dream of
supposedly angelic Emmett Till.
When a group is sacralized in a supposedly secular society, the effect is essentially
theocratic. Jews and blacks are holy-schmoly in the US, and so, we can't have a honest debate
about the problems they cause. We can't talk about Jewish role in communism, Zionist role in
Middle East Wars, globalist Jewish economic looting of Russia in the 90s, and Neocon
recruitment of Neo-Nazis in Ukraine. And it doesn't matter how many times blacks burn down
cities and assault/rob people. It is simply 'racist' to notice that blacks, being more
muscular and more aggressive, tend to commit far more crime and violence than other groups.
US has become essentially an ethno-theocracy where we must always speak of Jews and blacks in
hushed tones.
Of course, homos joined Jews and blacks in the holy-schmoly pantheon. Why? Because Jews
control media, academia, finance, and deep state. And Jews decided homos are their perfect
ally as fellow high-achieving minority elites. Because homos were made holy-schmoly(and
associated with holier-schmolier Jews), even cultural conservatives clammed up about the Homo
Agenda. They were afraid of being labeled 'homophobic', an especially bogus term cooked up by
Jews to imply that if you don't sufficiently honor and praise homos, you are suffering from
mental malady of phobic proportions. And so, homos & trannies and fecal penetration &
penis-and-ball-cutting were associated with 'rainbows' and 'pride'. Indeed, 'gay pride'
simply became 'Pride', as if to suggest the essence of pride = homo buggery and tranny
dick-cutting. And if you found homo-fecal-penetration and tranny penis-cutting to be gross
and sick and said so, you were blacklisted and fired worse than any Jewish communist during
the so-called 'McCarthy Era'. At least the HUAC blacklists ended in a few yrs. These Jewish
led PC blacklists last forever because Jewish Power has a near-Stalinist grip on media,
academia, and deep state.
The fact is Homomania-as-neo-religion(that festoons churches with 'gay colors') and 'Gay
Marriage' would never have become New Western Values IF there had been real free speech that
allowed all sides to have their say. If real free debate had been allowed on the Homo Agenda,
the lies and falsehoods could easily have been exposed. But, the Jewish-controlled media used
the 'rainbow' idolatry to elevate Homo-worship as a new religion in the West. If you were not
with the sacred program, you were a blasphemer, a 'homophobe' who must be
econo-excommunicated from work & wages. Or a bakery must be sued out of existence by the
'gay cabal' with the full backing of Jewish Supremacist law firms. Jewish Power treats decent
moral bakeries like Zionists treat Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank. Jewish Power says 'my
way or the highway'.
In Europe, a continent with no legal protection of free speech, Jewish pressure led to
criminalization of speech deemed offensive to Jews and homos(and even African
migrant-invaders). In the US, where Constitution guarantees free speech, the culture of open
discourse was destroyed by indirect censorship and ethno-homo-theocracy. Even though Jewish
Power couldn't ban free speech, its control of media and finance meant they could destroy
anyone or any group that dared to be politically incorrect toward Jews, blacks, and homos.
Thus, anyone who wanted to keep his job or reputation had to clam up about certain things, no
matter how true or based on facts. Also, the sacralization of Jews, blacks, and homos meant
that they could spew any amount of hateful, rabid, and virulent venom at goyim, whites,
Christians, straight people, and etc. BUT they themselves were PROTECTED from critical speech
that dared to expose their corruption, abuses, and fraudulence. This is why the West grew
sick. Not from freedom but lopsided monopoly of freedom for certain groups, esp. Jews,
blacks, and Homos as the Holy-Schmoly Three.
Now, one could argue that China's censorship is preferable to American censorship because
China is about Chinese nationalists ruling over Chinese people. So, the main theme of
censorship is "Is it good for China as a whole?" In contrast, the US is a nation where the
Jewish 2% rules over 98% that is goyim. So, the central theme of American Censorship is "Is
it good for the 2% at the expense of the 98%?" Also, if China is about Chinese Majority
Pride, the overwhelming theme for the White American Majority is White Guilt and White Shame.
So, while Chinese government boosts Majority Chineseness, American government suppresses
Majority Whiteness(and even pushes policies to turn the white majority into just another
minority, as already happened in California, increasingly the land of oligarchs and helots,
the vision of BLADE RUNNER).
Still, censorship will hurt China too in the long run because a nation that penalizes
conscience and courage will result in increasing conformism and
crassness.
America's freedom of speech, movement, and religious liberty
Where do you get your news from, because America has absolutely neither of those. And
please spare the usual bullsh!t argument "censorship is only if the government does it".
America is HEAVILY censoring anyone who does not accept its hard left ideology, you speak
out against this you get deplatformed, you get censored, you lose your job and you life is
pretty much destroyed. The same applies to religion, you reject the near official religions
of homosexuality and racial equality and you will be punished for it.
I'm familiar with information retrieval tech and worked for a small non-U.S. search engine
that was acquired by a major American search engine (not Google) in the late 20th century.
I've kept up with things as much as one can do from the outside since then.
I do not buy the conspiracy angle here. I believe Google when they say that they are
relying on automated algorithms.
You cannot really compare Google with any other search engine. DDG is a guy in his pajamas
coding it all by himself (and I respect that). Bing on the other hand has a good team of
talented information retrieval engineers, but they are nowhere near as well staffed as
Google
In addition, a lot of Google's quirks derive from the fact that they are the big guys.
Hackers and spammers and black hat SEOs target Google, looking for exploitable patterns.
Nobody cares how they rank in Bing and DDG, so nobody targets them. Google thus has to plug
the dike in all kinds of ways that the other search engines don't have to worry about.
Google is very evil, with its advertising price controls, automated stealing of data,
preferences for its own services in search results over more popular competitors, and in many
other ways. But I don't think that the Google Suggestions are deliberately skewed in the way
you're suggesting.
It's not beyond the realm of possibility that some higher level component in their search
software that is intended to combat black hat SEO is inadvertently skewing results in a way
that seems to favor the left, in the same way that AI software tends to come to the
conclusion that blacks commit a lot of crime and are not the best employees, although nobody
programmed it to do that. And it is possible that when the skew is anti
Google Suggest was throwing out "Islamists are terrorists," "blacks are not oppressed,"
"hitler is my hero," "white supremacy is good," and so on.
Google is micro-gaslighting again, by Steve Sailer - The Unz Review
It is an explanation that makes more sense to me than that Google is trying to hide it
while Vox is trying to bring attention to it.
You are being remarkably obtuse.
Google is for the masses; what they do or don't do actually matters in terms of public
perception.
Vox is for the policy elite and will make no impact on the public consciousness; it isn't
meant for the masses.
Note that elite or specialist media have been talking about the opioid crisis for years,
and yet the topic has never made it out to the public consciousness or public discourse at
large, nor has it had any reception in the political sphere beyond mere platitudes, which
anyone who was not been paying attention to the topic would even understand.
Amusingly, though, if you do a Ctrl F on article you link to, the name "Sackler" nowhere
appears.
The point is how the elites control the public discourse, by keeping certain topics
obscure to the public at large, while the elites and their hired professionals and Mandarins
talk amongst themselves; a discourse not meant for the larger public.
But anyway, no one ever said that no one at all in the mass media was talking about the
opioid crisis; this is just your implied strawman.
The topic was Google; you are simply using a diversion, i.e., moving the goalposts to the
media at large.
I changed my default search engine to DuckDuckGo years ago.
Commenters occasionally say here at TUR that Google is somehow superior, but even if
that's so (which I doubt), isn't the corruption plenty of reason to boycott? Guess not, in
light of news the other day that Amazon continues to expand.
Most people, even here in Exceptionalia, are lazy and dull. In a better society, the
Establishment would be better reined in.
Somehow Google has convinced everyone that their search is not biased because it uses a trade
secret algorithm. Eventually the public will figure out that the argument does not even make
any sense. The algorithm is tuned by the work of thousands of engineers, and of course it is
biased.
Semi-OT: NYT has something about Facebook hiring an oppo research firm to look into George
Soros. Apparently he trashed Facebook at Davos and Sheryl Sandberg thinks he might be
shorting their stock.
Just goes to show that there probably isn't some giant super conspiracy among the
Jews/SJWs/Democrats/whatever – Soros and Facebook both seem pretty keen on open borders
globalist nonsense, and yet here they are fighting like cats in a sack.
This makes me proud that I use Bing. It has a nice picture each day as its backdrop. Here is
yesterday's, a particularly beautiful one of the Frankfurt Christmas Market, which proves
Bing is Christmas-friendly -- and even German-friendly, Heaven forbid:
I've been using https://www.startpage.com/ as my main search engine for four
years now. It serves my purposes >95% of the time. I only resort to Google no more than
once every couple weeks. Startpage also allows you to visit sites anonymously and never ever
tracks anything. Also no Gmail or Google Docs. Also run Ghostery to block Google Analytics on
all sites (that, by the way, includes Unz.com).
Since I am not interested in luvvies, Hollywood, and all that, I hardly ever comment on them.
Kevin Spaceyga, however, is worth a remark. Because I was a great fan of the British original
I thought I'd watch a couple of episodes of the American "House of Cards". It was noticeable
that of the whole cast he was the only one who could act.
"But I don't think that the Google Suggestions are deliberately skewed in the way you're
suggesting."
Oh sweet summer child.
I think it was Steve who recommended this, but do an image search on Google for American
Scientists and let us know if you think that's an accurate representation. Try the same with
the phrase White Couples.
These days you get similar returns on Bing btw.
Yes I know these are not auto-suggestions, but fruit of the same tree.
The Creepy Line, add it to your watch lists. Amazon Prime I think.
@Tyrion 2
I'm not taking a side in your spat, I just want to point out that it'd be foolish in the
extreme to take Vox at its word there. All Vox does is tell people what they want to hear,
and from that you can infer what kind of reader they're after, and it ain't Regular Joe.
'Cos what the "policy elite" really want is the news patronisingly explained to them
I think it would be more precise to describe Vox as being aimed at the social class from
which the policy elite is drawn, rather than at the policy elite itself. Even so, I'd be
shocked if most of the policy elite weren't regular readers. I doubt even 1% of them find it
patronising. Remember: these people are 27-yr olds who literally know nothing.
@Roger
More times than I can count, I have engaged on this topic with people who smugly declare that
"Google searches are controlled by an algorithm" and hence cannot possibly be biased. After
all, it's a big computer not a person!
And they appear to believe that this explanation is completely dispositive.
You are considerably more optimistic than I am about the general intelligence and critical
faculties of the American public.
@Trevor H.
Incidentally, anyone keen on researching the wealthy and powerful members of the Tribe is
well advised to use "philanthropy" as a primary keyword. Heck, even Sheldon Adelson is
considered a philanthropist by Google. Wikipedia is not far behind.
Bernie Madoff? Oh, he was just a misunderstood philanthropist.
Because of this article, I bookmarked Duck Duck Go and will use it instead of Google from now
on. BTW, did you ever Google "Google autocomplete policy?"
I actually suspect that the "deaths from opioids" result is phased out as part of some
algorithm to stop racist predictions, in this case, against white people
No. If you spend time around leftist websites, you will find lots and lots of Leftists
don't see the opioid crisis as bad at all, because it mostly kills the wrong kind of white
people (at least that's the perception, I don't know the numbers). Some openly cheer it and
mock the "dumb hillbillies" that are dying by the thousands.
Google doesn't want to let you know about it because they're happy it's happening.
Just goes to show that there probably isn't some giant super conspiracy among the
Jews/SJWs/Democrats/whatever – Soros and Facebook both seem pretty keen on open
borders globalist nonsense, and yet here they are fighting like cats in a sack.
Medieval nobles fought each other, often bitterly, often to the death. But they usually
suspended their quarrels whenever the peasants got uppity. They could all agree to repress
the commoners. Just because the elites aren't a monolithic block in everything, doesn't mean
they don't conspire against all the rest of us.
I suspect that there is a broader part of the population that isn't sure what words they are
looking for to complete their search query; but, does anybody here not know the end to the
question that they are going to ask the internet? It is occasionally amusing when I see
suggested searches go off in a wildly different direction than I had intended, but I rarely
follow the suggestions to their conclusion. I am sure Google has statistics that support
their "micro-gaslighting"; however, marketing to the masses always feels counter-intuitive to
my brain. Click-through ads and the like are mind-boggling, but it -appears to work on enough
people to justify the ad-spend.
Google's image recognition has been gutted. In 2014 it would recognize a face and find photos
of that person across the internet. A right click would find the original of the fakes used
by Russian trolls to suggest non existent attacks on civilians by the Ukrainian army. Now it
can't even match the same image.
deaths from her ➔ deaths from herbalife/herpes/hernia surgery/herbal
supplements
deaths from mor ➔ (nothing)
deaths from ox ➔ (nothing)
deaths from perc ➔ deaths percy jackson
deaths from cod ➔ (nothing)
deaths from vic ➔ death from victoza/vick's vaporub
deaths from hydro ➔ deaths from hydropower/hydroxycut/hydrogen sulfide/hydrofluoric
acid/hydroxyzine/hydrogen cyanide/hydrochloric acid
deaths from coc ➔ deaths from coconuts
deaths from metha ➔ deaths from methadone (lol)/methanol poisoning/methane
deaths from cry ➔ deaths from cyrotherapy/cryptococcosis
deaths from amp ➔ deaths from amputation
deaths from ec ➔ deaths from ectopic pregnancy/e coli/e cigs/eclampsia/eczema/ect
deaths from md ➔ (nothing)
deaths from mari ➔ deaths from maria/marinol
deaths from ls ➔ (nothing)
deaths from lyse ➔ deaths from lysenkoism
@Buzz
Mohawk I find that Bing is more objective and I also like the daily photo, so I switched
to them as my browser home page a couple of years ago.
I have to say one of the things I like about Steve Sailer is his charming, old school
White Guy naïveté:
"the news media doesn't seem all that enthusiastic about reporting on what goes on inside
Google, perhaps out of fear of what Google could do to them."
Actually Steve, it's because the news media think Google is doing a wonderful thing and wish
they would do it harder and faster.
Our problem is Google has Plausible Irrelevance: it's obvious they're manipulating
auto-completes in directions they favor, and since Google is vast and powerful that seems
highly relevant to us dissidents. But it's easy for Google to hide behind 'if searchers get
all the way to "Kevin Spacey g", let them hunt and peck for a and y – what's the big
deal?'
And the offending author becomes internet-famous as a flying saucer nut.
Brian Littlefair didn't write that. The search term "Brian Littlefair" does not appear on
that UFO web page at all. What did appear there, for a while, in the Latest Article column,
was 'The First Thing We Do,'
That was presumably the offending article. Its content might be triggering to hasbara bots
or JTRIG-type keyboard commandos or both. The trick of suppression could be effected by a bit
of incremental traffic while both articles appeared on the same page.
This was most pronounced on (Yahoo(oath)(Verizon)). It didn't replicate exactly but the
same general hits permuted. DuckDuckGo returned a hit on the UFO article too. By contrast
Metager.de, searx.me, and yandex.ru gave you what you would expect.
@anonymous
Same here on the duckduckgo, Mr #340, but I'll use google when I get to an impasse and really
want to try hard to get some information.
DuckDuckgo search escalates to Bing (MUCH BETTER on 2 things: images and finding
addresses/phone numbers for local businesses), then, if need be, Google.
BTW, I , uhhh, well, this friend of mine, yeah, sometimes types my blog name into Google
to help it stay high in the rankings. Doing this on google, though I detest them, is akin to
something everyone in the stock market does. With 90%, or what-have-you, of the searches, I
crap, my friend wants to work within the system, so to speak. That's just like buying shares
of some company because you know that others will buy on some news coming (the news alone may
not actually be a good business reason to buy, but it's the psychology of the masses).
The algorithm is tuned by the work of thousands of engineers,
No, those people are absolutely NOT engineers, no matter WTF Sergey Brin calls them. There
may be a few dozen engineers working for that place, but they'd be the guys calculating heat
transfer loads off of the servers, or designing electrical power systems.
@Alfa158AGREED! However, Steve's probably got your point in mind too. If there is a
proto-Tucker Carlson in a media operation, then he may fear the loss of business and
de-linking by Google, though he does know Google is not doing wonderful things.
@Redneck
farmer With good reason. Life expectancy in the US is now falling, largely as a result of
them (and suicide), despite the fact that we spend more on health care than anyone. We are
prolonging the lives of the non-productive elderly at tremendous cost but killing healthy
young people in what should be their prime productive years. You usually only see falling
life expectancy in countries with serious decline, such as Russia after the fall of the
Soviet Union.
But, yes, it's not exactly a secret, which makes it even more puzzling that Google is
manipulating its results in this way. I don't think it is just some by-product of the strange
counter-intuitive workings of AI but is probably the result of human intervention, although I
don't know for what reason. PC thinking is even more counter-intuitive than that of AI bots.
I'm still trying to figure out why "colored people" is bad but "people of color" is good.
Here's a few things I've noticed about Google's auto-complete from my own anecdotal
experience.
1. It relies heavily not only on your search history but also on your search "currency,"
i.e. it will preferentially auto-fill a word or phrase if that same word or phrase appears on
another tab you have open on your computer at the time, even if you've never typed that word
or phrase into the search box before.
2. It is massively tied into television viewing patterns. Google knows what is on
television, when and where. If you do a search about an item that was just featured in a
commercial during an NFL game, you may get an auto-fill "hit" even before you've typed in
anything you might think would be a relevant term.
Google is not in business to do social engineering, it's in business to make money. My
impression is that Google's auto-fill suggestions are the result of a bunch of nerds trying
desperately to monetize search and bumping up against the hard, cold reality that it can't
really be done to any great extent, that the diminishing returns come sharp and quick, and
that AI is nothing like it's cracked up to be. To that end they will mine every scrap of
available data they can get their hands on and apply their algorithms to it, but the end
product is mostly cheesy and useless, like Facebook showing you ads for products you just
bought (and consequently don't need to buy again).
Since this is the best that the brightest programmers with the most powerful computers can
do, it tells you that the whole concept is flawed. Advertising doesn't really work. AI
doesn't really work. But the world today shuts its eyes to these facts in order to keep alive
its inward vision of a prosperous, progressing global marketplace. If the facts were fully
accepted, the value of companies like Google would sink to niche levels and the internet for
the masses would basically shut down. This will happen one day, but in the meantime they will
blow that bubble up with as much hype as possible in order to justify their own
existence.
@Tyrion 2
I did the same comparison before I even started reading the comments. ; )
Here it is for anyone who wants to save some time. Notice the spike this week. iSteve
influence?
This one is REALLY blatant given that "deaths from open heart surgery" returns: "Hmm, your
search doesn't have enough data to show here." (sometimes a flatline just means one search
happens much more than another, but still has data)
Does anyone know anything about how Google actually implements this algorithm
tweaking?
Do they just remove results or actively provide innocuous replacements? Typing "deaths from
ope" in Bing gives the Google response as the third option so seems inconclusive.
How do they get complete coverage? Is it some kind of regular expression like "deaths from
op*", a similarity match to phrases, or ?
Another interesting data point is that typing "deaths from opi" gives zero
autocompletions. Surely if they were doing explicit replacements they could add something
like "deaths from opinion surveys."
@Anon I
don't have the knowledge you seem to have about it, Mr. #190, though it sounds like you were
in this around the time of Lycos and Alta Vista, etc. Lots has happened since then. I want to
ask you if you think my first thought (upon reading Mr. Sailer's post) has any merit. That
is, do you think some of the searches, say the Buchanan one*, were the result of bots made to
beat all hell out of the search engine on one very particular topic to make auto-complete,
and more importantly, IMO, the top results appear as one wants?
I could see some guy trying to make his name or business appear on top, maybe even Mr.
Haney (haha, if he's still alive) on the "Bu"-for "Buchanan" thing, but who would want to
make the "open-heart surgery.." appear first, a team of computer savvy cardiologist?! It
would also require lots of different manipulations besides just the one displayed by Steve.
Of course, that's what computers are damn good at.
I tend to agree with Mr. Sailer's opinion on this, but for me, all this discussion (if
some good geeks come on here) is a good thing, as I'd like to learn more about SEO for my own
benefit.
information retrieval engineers
See, now that's not engineering. These people don't work out problems using the math and
empirical data that describe the laws of nature. I don't want to have to keep doing this,
dammit.
.
* and I did read you back then, Steve, as I remember this well. I cannot believe that was
8 damn years ago. Time is figuratively flying!
@Anonymous
Arguably (and I'm not saying this is right) because whites are the hardest hit group, which
contradicts the narrative of "white privilege". An old joke headline (and I've seen actual
examples of this many times in our MSM after natural disasters, wars, etc.) is " World Ends
– Minorities and Women Hit Hardest".
This is the lens thru which the Left views everything, so something that shows that in
fact working class whites, especially men, are the ones who are in the most trouble in our
society (but get the least help from our government and institutions) is not something that
the Left is eager to highlight. This might force them to reconsider whether they have put
their thumb on the scale too heavily in favor of other groups. It also undermines their
nonsensical claim that they are only "helping" minorities and immigrants, which is a purely
good thing, when in fact they are manipulating a zero sum game, so for every bit of "help"
that they render, there is an equal amount of "harm" put on someone else's head.
Does anyone know anything about how Google actually implements this algorithm
tweaking?
I think the answer is no. Sometimes you can gain little glimpses from patents, but as a
whole Google algorithms are a heavily guarded trade secret for many reasons. First of all
because they don't want to give search engine competitors (not that they have many left) an
advantage – their search algorithm was their secret sauce in the 1st place. 2nd because
people who are trying to game the search system for various nefarious economic and political
reasons would LOVE to know how the algorithm works because then they could manipulate it
– better for it to be a black box. And lastly because they don't want you to tour the
sausage factory and see how much "hand tuning" is going on (I suspect a lot, because bots are
very "racist" when left to their own devices) and how much of that hand tuning is based on
SJW considerations and the financial and petty personal interests of the Google execs. This
would open them up to all kinds of 2nd guessing and criticism. So from their POV they are
much better off keeping it all a complete mystery and telling you that it's all "science"
that you wouldn't understand anyway.
"Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost
inexpressible. It's Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world
to itself.
Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and
slavery have disappeared.
The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will,
because they don't grasp what it really means: humiliation.
The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn't conscious of it.
And, superiority excites envy.
Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we
call minorities."
Joseph Sobran, April 1997
Here is a great article on how evil the Sackler family is. Getting doctors to chuck their
public trust and credibility into the toilet to shill for Purdue Pharma was pioneered by
these people for Valium.
It would seem to be pretty reasonable to ask that Google publicly disclose how it is
manipulating specific topics like this, but nobody ever seems to do this.
Big tech will typically try to obfuscate the issue by saying "it's the algorithm" or "it's
complicated." It's not.
The easiest, least cumbersome way to regulate the major search engines is make them
provide an audit log of all filtering rules or hard overrides in their search results. Limit
this to for profit services that have above a certain threshold in daily users or market
share, so it does not hurt innovation in startups. The vast majority of changes would be
understandable or inconsequential. But it gives both parties of government direct insight,
particularly around local elections, where meddling would be impossible to detect.
Further out, you can make them report any substantial bias they are introducing into the
training data and give a basic explanation. In the same way lenders have to explain their
lending models, search engines should have to explain how they are tweaking theirs. As search
increasingly shifts to mobile, personalized, and voice-based, this becomes important as the
only search result that matters is the first one that is returned.
In a world where national elections are coming down to a few hundred thousand votes, it
blows my mind Republicans have not been pushing for this.
@Mr. Anon
Haha good analogy, Mr. Anon. Zerohedge had a story on this little spat. However, these are no
medieval nobles, but more like candidates for AntiChrist . It'll be
entertaining, I suppose, like Christopher Walken is as the angel Gabrial in Prophecy ,
but I'm stayin' outta' this one.
"It would seem to be pretty reasonable to ask that Google publicly disclose how it is
manipulating specific topics like this, but nobody ever seems to do this."
You mean it would seem to be pretty reasonable to ask Google, DuckDuckGo AND Bing publicly
disclose how it is manipulating specific topics like this, but nobody ever seems to do
this.
Probably because it is Coalition of the Fringe Group Cringeworthy.
@alaska3636
Yes, I'd rather not even look at the auto-complete, or do it on a bogged-down computer like
mine in which it can't catch up with me! The exception is when I want to look up a word
spelling. I just let auto-complete do it for me.
On your 2nd point:
Click-through ads and the like are mind-boggling, but it -appears to work on enough
people to justify the ad-spend.
Not necessarily, Alaska. Who really knows if the ads do a damn thing? Google or whoever
might honestly give you numbers as to click-throughs, but loads of them, at least for me, are
mistakes and times that the little X for close is SO DAMN SMALL that I can't be sure to close
rather than click the ad. (That's especially bad on a touch screen.)
Then, the only way to know if your ad really was read at all, is if it leads to a sale or
request of some sort being sent in. Google may tell you how many people are reading what
you've got out there, but that's just more lies.
@Intelligent
Dasein Very good comment, I.D., especially the last paragraph re: advertising. Your first
part reminded me of something that is fairly-well related, so I'll write it here.
Have you all noticed something with youtube, owned by Google? It now uses the IP number
(or something else at the modem or router) to keep track of videos that you've been watching
or searching for, rather than just cookies, or some other method based on just THE ONE
DEVICE.
Here's the observation – My wife likes to watch a number of the same kinds of silly
soap-opera-like and reality-show videos on her computer or phone when she is bored. Yes, I
know she is no dummy, but it's whom they are. Anyway, it used to be I'd see music and
political video suggestions based on what I've viewed and (I believe) what videos have been
embedded in web pages (such as unz) that I've viewed.
All of a sudden, about 3 months back, I started seeing all these suggestions on youtube on
my computer for the dumb-ass soap-opera/reality-show videos that my wife watches. The
suggestions area was filled with her crap. That happened like the flip of a switch. That's
probably literally the case (OK, a software setting), but also likely one of the "action
items" decided on at a meeting by some Google Anything-But-Engineers just before that day.
It's pretty annoying – I don't need the suggestions anyway, but now I can see what
these people are up to.
Just a word to the wise: If you watch something, cough, porn, cough cough, that you may
not quite want others in the household to know about, you'd better go to Starbucks. The
bathroom code is 1-1-1-1. Glad to be of help.
@Anon We
know that AI is "racist" and that Google is working hard to find a way to make it not racist
(and yet still produce meaningful results), which is probably impossible. We also know that
Google has plenty of human resources (although not an infinite #) to throw at such problems
until an automated fix is found, just as Facebook now has thousands of people searching
manually for Rooshian election interference in order to keep the dogs of Washington at bay.
We can also guess that they are not eager to publicize to what extent they are tweaking or
hand tuning algorithms or results – they would much rather you think that it is all
done by "science". Putting this together, it's my guess that they are doing a fair amount of
hand tuning, which is some spotty and uneven combination of combatting SEOs, de-racisting
their AI bots, the leftist predilections of Google employees, the commands from on high of
Google management, etc.
@tambit
Final observations about Silicon Valley big tech. People need to appreciate a few things:
– Think of the short tenures that employees have at big tech companies. A
conservative at Google or Facebook will only be there for two or three years. So they wonder,
"Why rock the boat? In two years, I will be at Netflix or Amazon, or joining a startup,
anyway." The transitory nature of it makes employees who break from the orthodoxy stay
silent, especially after Damore.
– As with any company, everything is tacitly approved from the CEO and senior
leadership. It's unlikely they have their hands in augmenting search results directly. On the
other hand, they know the biases of their employees, and look the other way. For example, a
CEO may talk about how getting SF contractors to vet news articles means there is
unintentional liberal bias. But what prevents them from having some of the contractors in
say, Kansas or Ohio, for a more balanced sample? Because the CEO condones the bias.
– If people are waiting for a smoking gun from Google, you will be out of luck.
Because of their reach, they can quietly nudge people in a certain direction through repeated
exposure. You may see an isolated incident and think "that's weird." But you're not seeing
the few thousand other ways they are doing it concurrently. More so, as things continue to
shift to mobile and native apps, there will be no meaningful way to measure this. For
example, voice search could be construed so it "misunderstands" some phrases with slightly
higher probability. This prompts users to type it in manually, which many will not do. Good
luck catching that.
@Reg
Cæsar Typing !bing, !google, !youtube, !amazon, !wikipedia and some others into
duckduckgo before the search phrase, will redirect you to a search result from those sites,
rather than duckduckgo results.
@KunioKun
I have an impression that in media coverage of the opioid crisis the role of heroine, its
price and where does it come from is underplayed. Any connection to Afghanistan?
@utu Most
"heroin" nowadays is fentanyl or some other synthetic opiate and it comes from labs in China
or from US prescription sources. It is so powerful that you don't need to smuggle in large
quantities – 1 kilo is enough to lethally overdose everyone in a city of half a
million. Actual heroin (a declining product) comes from Mexico. Afghanistan would be way down
on the list in the US nowadays.
@KunioKun
I'm not at all defending the Sacklers; if I made the laws I'd subject the ones involved in
the business, and the other responsible Purdue personnel, to one of the more humane-ish old
fashioned forms of execution, perhaps blowing from a gun , and seize the
wealth of the rest, but this notion of KMac's fan club that their actions have escaped
notice, and in particular escaped notice from liberals, is 180 degrees the opposite of the
truth.
In fact, the Sacklers are all that liberals want to talk about WRT the opioid crisis -- it
deflects blame from Mexican heroin, illegal alien drug pushers and Chinese fentanyl -- hence
the widely
read New Yorker article , and the bestseller Dopesick
, which also toes the left-wing party line* that it was all Sacklers and not
Mexico/illegals/China, and which received glowing reviews in the New York
Times , Washington Post and Wall Street Journal .
*Unlike dueling bestseller Dreamland
, which assigns the Sacklers their share of blame but also tells the rest of the story.
I suspect that there is a broader part of the population that isn't sure what words they
are looking for to complete their search query; but, does anybody here not know the end to
the question that they are going to ask the internet?
+1000.
I was about to type something along the same lines but my version had "fuck[ing]" and
"retard[s|ed]" in it several times.
@Tyrion 2
You are already aware of this, Tyrion 2 , since you followed the discussion/debate
over in the other comments thread, but this information might be interesting to other UR
readers and commenters:
Another question :
i) It appears the 2018 total drug overdose death will be 80,000! That is immense, and is
twice as much as auto deaths. Until three days ago, I had no idea the number was
skyrocketing this much.
But then why does it not show up in the CDC death table (2016 linked here, which was
still a high enough number)? For younger age brackets, surely even the 2016 number was in
the Top 10. Is it categorized as something else (like 'Unintentional Injury')?
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
[...] Overdoses are injuries too
[...] It is easy to find evidence that drug overdoses are unpopular subjects for study or
intervention by injury professionals. Index Medicus reveals that to date Injury
Prevention has published only one article with the word "overdose" or the phrase "drug
poisoning" in its title or abstract. A search of the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention flagship publication, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report ( http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr , accessed 16 Jan 2007),
uncovered only 53 citations using the word "overdose" since 1982. In contrast, a search for
"lead poisoning" in MMWR returned 1531 references. Scanning the 53 articles mentioning
overdose reveals that overdoses are not the focus of most of them. Instead, many
describe outbreaks of unusual cases, such as lead poisoning among methamphetamine users.5
Topics such as endemic use of methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin, and narcotic analgesics
receive relatively little attention in the injury literature despite their large
contribution to morbidity, mortality, and healthcare costs.
OT: Wikileaks is threatening to release more Hillary docs. I suspect if they'd had them
earlier, they would have released them earlier. These look like a batch of new docs, then.
They're probably ones on Weiner's laptop, and I don't think it's a coincidence that Wikileaks
suddenly ended up with them after Sessions was given the boot. Some government leaker wanted
to wait until Sessions was gone to make sure his butt was covered.
@dearieme
And it really shows with his absence in the most recent season. I think it's also that Frank
Underwood comes off as a likable guy at times while everyone else on the show are just plain
nasty people.
Google's *is* fairly transparent about their autocomplete policy. According to them, they
censor "sex', "hate", "violence" and "harmful activities". Most of the above examples
probably fall under the "hate" grouping, which includes ethnicity, religion, and sexual
orientation.
You also have to keep in mind that Google is a very algorithm driven company. More often
than not someone's making a high-level decision, but most of the individual level choices are
made by some machine learning algo that's essentially a black box. Some neural network linked
a non-insignificant percentage of "jew" queries to downstream clickthroughs to the Daily
Stormer. Whereas "mormon" queries don't lead to hate sites. So the censor algo tries to tag
everything with "jew" in the autocomplete.
As for the opiod death thing, that's pretty consistent with Google's general censoring of
any drug-related query. This would fall under the "harmful activities" category. You'll
notice that sites Drugs-Forums, Bluelight and Erowid, which openly discuss and advocate
recreational drug use, no longer appear in most searches. Again, "death from opiates" is
being tagged, not for nefarious political reasons, but because to an algorithm it looks like
something someone might search for before getting high.
Steve, You have readers at The Goolag. By the time I read this, "death from open heart
surgery" was at the top of the heap returned for your search string, along with some other
amusing obscure suggestions.
I'm old enough to remember the wild west web. It probably ended when Obama legally forced
google to take down the movie 'innocence of muslims' from youtube until hillary could get to
benghazi or something.
But I loved it when back in the day the first search result for "Jew" was "Jew Watch".
Of course Larry and Sergei were among the Jews being "watched" (I assume Stalin and Sailer
are too, those are some verbose fellas!) but despite the 2 minutes of outrage Google stuck to
it's guns.
Bear in mind, a lot of kids ACTUALLY WERE innocently searching "Jew" and getting an
interesting earful.
But it wasn't until this had been the top result for nonths and headlines in every paper
for 3 days that Google gave in by placing a: "Here's why you are seeing this result first.
Also, no, we do not like Nazis".
I really liked the old internet but somewhere along the way, "the market" got in the
way.
I also happen to think that encouragement is both sweet and probably at least as effective
as the opposite so I enjoy crediting google for letting jew watch hold top position (it had
the most references to "jew" apparently) and for publicly fighting obama on thr innocence of
muslims thing – another thing that was rather principled considering as how many people
believed the Copt that the movie was financed by "a hundred rich jews" and herr Larry and
Sergei were fighting to keep broadcasting it to the world.
Oh, and if ur one of the local antisems suck a lemon
@Anon Lmao
at the idiot SJW who thinks that "Islamist" is a synonym for "Muslim" and gets triggered upon
finding out that Islamists aren't universally revered.
@Achmed E.
Newman What you describe is called, in the search results context (although I'm not sure
about the Google Suggest context), "Google bombing" or "Googlewashing."
I do think that Google has a way to manually preempt their normal algorithms for these
situations, while they work to come up with automated ways to detect and prevent such
mischief, since Google bombing produced bad PR and was embarassing for them. The problem was
generally "fixed" too quickly to have been due to a fundamental algorithm modification.
information retrieval engineers
There are two degrees that most universities give, computer science and computer
engineering. The latter is a more difficult major and involves classes in how computers work
at the hardware level and more machine and assembly language study, but in practice the
graduates just end up working as programmers, like the computer science guys. It's known that
CE guys tend to be smarter, so at the very beginning of your career it helps to have a CE
degree rather than a CS degree. You get a slight salary boost, that snowballs over time,
until you get too old and expensive and are laid off in place of an Indian.
There used to be an activist project called Scroogle which would disrupt Google's
track-keeping of who searched for what, and by way of explanation posted screengrabs of
Google altering its displayed search results ( not suggesed terms ), so that in
one case a Vietnam vet magically became an antiwar anti-Vet hippie. If you clicked through
and read the original page, everything would be clear. If you were a lazy student writing a
paper in a hurry and just read the little summaries posted on the search result page, you
would have a backward but seemingly legitimate understanding. And none of these errors ever
broke right.
@Achmed E.
Newman Sorry, Starbucks no longer wants you watching porn because of "pressure groups";
guess it's one more step to stopping Unz and Vdare down the road once the SPLC gets going.
"Internet safety campaign group Enough is Enough have called on Starbucks to block the
viewing on their Wi-Fi networks since 2016. The group relaunched an online petition calling
for them to keep a promise they said they made more than two years ago to implement a
blocking system.
"The group say that open Wi-Fi hotspots -- like those at Starbucks -- can create "criminal
safe havens for sexual predators to operate with anonymity."
@meh Your
screaming that Google is putting its thumb on the scale, and for exact given nefarious
reason, isn't an argument either, just your suspicion based on prejudice.
Google's tweaked search results are often superficially illogical or seem to be because
they are fluid as well as geographically dependent. It used to be any search for "Jewish"
gave an idiotic "We're concerned about these results" message even if the search was for
"best Jewish daycare."
Ever since Steve first complained about Buttram it's been pointed out that location and
personal history, i.e. cookies and other identifiers also skew the results. Yet he believes
Google should be able to read his mind, and show him whatever story about golfers taking the
SAT on steroids he thinks should be #1 Worldwide News.
It is trivial to modify the browser search extension -- or just to use a different portal
-- in order to gather and compare search pages from multiple sources. But it appears the
cognoscenti around here are lazy and need the world to be changed before they modify their
own behavior for a supposedly better outcome. They don't even realize that Duck Duck Go
merely recycles Google searches with some added pretense of "anonymizing" them, which will
get a laugh if you explain it to any online marketing professional. That's probably too
generous in light of the barely concealed salivating to control what everyone ELSE sees.
Because Google was always intended as some munificent public utility staffed by meek
librarians committed to informing you according to your best interests, yeah right.
Note that Google probably _should_ filter, by default, the suggestions. You wouldn't want
your kid stumbling onto hardcore porn just because it's a common suggestion. Yes, I realize
kids see everything these days -- but that doesn't mean we should surrender all attempts at
decency.
The real problem is that society is so divided that we can't agree on what should be
filtered anymore. I can't imagine anyone getting worked up over tax rate suggestions on
Google, which is what our politics used to be about. Homogeneous societies (in many things,
such as race, culture, religion) have a lot of advantages.
@snorlax
If Sackler thought he'd be the hero to the colored hordes by cooking up his
white-gentile-seeking magical death formula Yaqub-like -- per current state-of-the-art theory
with Unz.com brain-trust -- he sure was kidding himself. The hordes tend not to be too
laudatory of rich elite Jews who spend money on gay paintings n' that shizz.
Sometimes I feel like I live in another country. Haven't used Google or Yahoo search
functions in about 8 years. You would think other people would start to catch on that BigTech
is the Iron Fist of PozFeed, but alas many sheeple remain.
Only use duckduckgo, and more recently ixquick.com or startpage.com
Google has over 85% of the search engine market share in India, Brazil, Spain, Italy,
Australia, Sweden, Belgium, Germany, France & Canada which is a bit odd given than Italy
& Australia are way more sane than Sweden, Belgium & Canada.
Sweden & Belgium are clearly in the palm of Google's Globalists & Mme
Lerner-Spectre is surely quite delighted.
ttps://www.statista.com/statistics/621418/most-popular-search-engines-in-sweden/
Google is not in business to do social engineering, it's in business to make money.
You reckon? I'm inclined to think that Google already has all the money it could ever
want. So if you have more than enough money, what else is there? The obvious answer is power.
Power is even more exciting and even sexier than money.
If modern capitalism really were just about money we wouldn't be facing the problems we're
facing now. But modern capitalism is much much more about power than money.
So Google's main priority is definitely more likely to be social engineering than making
money.
@anonymous
I don't use Google nor do I shop on Amazon. That is what gets me about Instapundit; every
other article, it seems, is how evil big tech is followed up by two links to Amazon for the
latest item that you don't need. Baffling, really.
I'm still trying to figure out why "colored people" is bad but "people of color" is
good.
The thinking is that "colored people" implies that the default is white and then people
can be modified by having a non-white color, while "people of color" implies that they are
the default.
@Anon "And
it is possible that when the skew is anti-right it is not caught as early as anti-left skews
are caught, due to company implicit political biases."
This all by itself could be sufficient to create a significant political bias. Imagine
that you paid much more attention to cleaning the left side of your windshield than your
right side. Without ever deliberately dirtying the right side, you would still end up with a
clean left side and a dirty right side.
@anonymous
I've done some comparisons. For most searches, DDG is just as good. For very recondite
searches Google is better. But I almost always use DDG because I loathe the vermin at Google.
@dfordoom
The same sort of people are always telling us that Hollywood has only money in view when it
produces movies and television shows. No one denies that they worship money, but
yes–power is the greater aphrodisiac.
Since
TAC
had been the primary
venue for my own writings, I was faced with a major challenge, but a sudden insight changed this picture.
I realized that many other writers and
columnists had also been purged from mainstream publications, and that these prominent victims could
constitute the core contributors of an entirely new publication. Hence was born
The Unz Review
,
entitled "An Alternative Media Selection" and bearing the descriptive subtitle "A Collection of Interesting,
Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media."
Obviously alternative media websites had
existed on the Internet from its earliest days, but nearly all of these had always been centered upon a
particular ideological or political orientation. But
The Unz Review
was intended to include most of
these frequently contradictory perspectives, hosting material both Left and Right, conspiratorial and
racialist, fascistic and anarchistic, with very lightly moderated comment-threads.
Although many doubted that a webzine
providing such varied and conflicting viewpoints would ever attract any significant audience, I do think
that we have. Our steadily rising readership reached nearly three million monthly pageviews and 45,000
monthly comments in September and October. Moreover, this strong and steady growth has come despite our
suffering some of the same "soft censorship," especially upon Social Media, that has been inflicted upon
most other alternative media websites, whether Left or Right, especially in the wake of Donald Trump's
unexpected election victory.
According to the Alexa.com estimates,
many of these other popular webzines have lost or more of their traffic-rankings since the January 2017
crackdown, while ours has increased by almost 50% during that same period. And according to Alexa, our daily
traffic surpassed that of
TAC
about one year ago, and has remained significantly ahead every month
since that time. Here's a comparison table of UNZ.com over the last couple of years with roughly forty
mid-size mostly alternative websites.
Alexa Traffic-Rankings
Ranking
Relative UNZ.com Improvement
Ranking
Website
Jan 2017
Since 1/16
Since 1/17
Since 1/18
Nov 2018
UNZ.com
39,119
--
--
--
26,503
newrepublic.com
11,383
+213
+133
+47
18,006
nakedcapitalism.com
51,168
+228
+189
+74
100,316
marginalrevolution.com
55,427
+98
+8
+18
40,621
lewrockwell.com
22,019
+222
+187
+32
42,826
antiwar.com
41,606
+187
+
120
+12
61,960
theamericanconservative.com
34,096
+46
+34
-0
30,982
counterpunch.org
19,149
+211
+229
+62
42,641
thesaker.is
44,295
-5
+36
-7
40,688
russia-insider.com
19,031
+120
+79
-22
23,050
theduran.com
33,073
--
+217
+68
71,114
veteranstoday.com
18,802
+205
+229
+28
41,899
rense.com
16,866
+285
+355
+139
51,978
voltairenet.org
17,946
+56
+89
+6
22,964
mondoweiss.net
69,188
+278
+127
+63
106,549
consortiumnews.com
68,994
+26
+110
+60
98,353
moonofalabama.org
75,814
-14
+58
-1
81,229
strategic-culture.org
72,432
-48
+
32
-19
65,006
globalresearch.ca
11,762
+379
+249
+48
27,792
truthdig.com
25,070
+141
+160
+2
44,212
opednews.com
79,623
+456
+
369
+60
253,143
ahtribune.com
153,977
+101
+124
+98
233,252
dissidentvoice.org
247,586
+69
+52
-21
254,496
whowhatwhy.org
183,844
+41
+46
+46
182,414
paulcraigroberts.org
48,201
+179
+107
+34
67,495
countercurrents.org
151,666
+260
+141
+46
247,371
alternet.org
5,658
+420
+257
+89
13,689
takimag.com
38,052
+167
+155
+56
65,617
vdare.com
83,556
+167
+161
+75
147,712
redice.tv
61,846
--
+243
+109
143,680
amren.com
60,626
+64
+111
+47
86,512
theoccidentalobserver.net
142,140
+95
+146
+68
236,670
occidentaldissent.com
242,298
-4
-9
+59
149,654
counter-currents.com
111,370
-6
+56
+18
118,054
therightstuff.biz
41,539
-24
+56
+41
43,949
heartiste.wordpress.com
56,543
+104
+64
+9
62,735
stormfront.org
21,459
+150
+230
+174
47,969
voxday.blogspot.com
92,884
+3
-11
+17
55,893
sott.net
14,755
+134
+150
+76
25,005
Less than two years ago, we were towards
the lower end of the traffic rankings of these dozens of webzines, and now we are near the very top. For
example, during this period our relative traffic ranking has grown by 229% over that of
Counterpunch
and 34% over that of
TAC
. Even more remarkably, our traffic was improved by 133% over the venerable
and very mainstream
New Republic
, placing us at roughly two-thirds of the readership of that
century-old publication.
Our stated role as a refuge for the
purged and the persecuted has become an increasingly important one as other publications have become
conforming to the ruling dictates of the Corporate Media, perhaps for fear that they would be branded
"Russian Fake News."
This unfortunate situation has been
especially true of the late Alex Cockburn's once fiercely iconoclastic
Counterpunch
, which has
shown the door to many of its most popular writers, including Israel Shamir, Paul Craig Roberts, Mike
Whitney, Diana Johnstone, Linh Dinh, and C.J. Hopkins, all of whom are now published here instead. As a
likely consequence,
Counterpunch
's traffic-ranking has dropped by nearly 60% since the beginning of
2017, falling far behind our own rapidly growing readership numbers.
The obvious problem with offering
ideological fare hardly different than that of mainstream left-liberal publications such as HuffPost and
Salon is that you are directly competing with HuffPost and Salon, and their vastly larger footprint assures
them the lion's share of the market.
It's interesting to note that this
tremendous improvement has occurred even as we published articles at least as controversial as have any of
these other publications, and in many cases, much more so.
Just as my own 2013 purge launched this
webzine, ongoing purges in the media are spurring its expansion, even into new forms of content.
For 17 years, Bonnie Faulkner's
hour-long
Guns & Butter
was one of the most popular and controversial shows airing on the leftwing
Pacifica
radio network, headquartered in Berkeley, California. And then just a few months ago,
the show was suddenly cancelled
and its complete archives scrubbed from the
KPFA
website,
allegedly for its "controversial" content (though I suspect that
Pacifica
's
severe financial problems
may have allowed outside donors the necessary leverage to finally remove a
long-standing thorn in their side).
Regardless, KPFA's loss is our gain, and
I'm very pleased to announce that
Guns & Butter
has now joined
The Unz Review
as our first podcast, with the website
software having been extended to handle that additional form of content. This includes the hundreds of
Guns & Butter
shows aired since 2001, with hopes that some additional past shows will soon be located
and added.
The most recent Guns & Butter podcast is
available on the Home page and the sidebars of all other pages, as are the complete archives here:
It was apparently the broadcast of
portions of the "Deep Truth" conference in July that led to the sudden cancellation of Guns & Butter, and
here's one of those shows, which featuring our own Philip Giraldi:
Nothing changed in almost five years. The situation actually became worse as Democratic Party became the second War Party.
Notable quotes:
"... Interventionists in Congress have no problem if a president starts wars on his own, because he is pursuing the policy they would have voted for anyway if they were bothered to vote on such things. They are ..."
"... Other members of Congress have no strong ideological motivation for this behavior, but simply want to be able to grandstand on major issues without suffering serious political consequences. They are glad to avoid having to vote one way or another on a war, since that potentially could come back to haunt them if the war drags on, if it fails, or if many Americans are killed. It's safer and easier for them to cheer on a president's illegal war when it's popular and then start griping about it when it goes badly ..."
Paul Pillar
remarks on Congress' screwed-up priorities regarding its role in foreign policy
decisions:
The role that the U.S. Congress has assumed for itself as a player in foreign policy
exhibits an odd and indefensible pattern these days. Senator Chris Murphy calls it a "double
standard," although that might be too mild a term. On one hand there are vigorous efforts to
insert Congress into the negotiation of an agreement on Iran's nuclear program. The efforts
extend even to attempts to interfere in the details of what is being negotiated, as reflected
in a string of amendments being considered in debate in the Senate this week on a bill laying
out a procedure for Congress to pass a quick judgment on the agreement. On the other hand
there is inaction, with little or no prospect of any action, on an authorization for the use
of military force against the so-called Islamic State.
Pillar is right that this is just the opposite of what Congress should be doing. If there is
a time when Congress ought to be deferring to the executive on foreign policy, it is when the
U.S. is involved in negotiations with other governments. The same people that claim to be
horrified by the idea of "535 commanders-in-chief" believe that they must sound off early and
often on every detail of a complex negotiated settlement. War can be left to the discretion of
the president and his officials, but not diplomacy. The same members that can't be bothered to
assume their proper constitutional responsibilities and happily yield to one illegal
presidential war after another cannot wait to meddle in a diplomatic process that, if
successful, will make a future conflict less likely.
Interventionists in Congress have no problem if a president starts wars on his own, because
he is pursuing the policy they would have voted for anyway if they were bothered to vote on
such things. They are alarmed by negotiations that could make it more difficult for a
future president to attack the regime involved in the talks. These hawks have excessive
confidence that military action can "solve" problems overseas, and so they don't to impose
limits on what the U.S. does in its foreign wars. They tend to see diplomacy as nothing but
appeasement and therefore something that should be undermined, second-guessed, and sabotaged as
much as possible.
Other members of Congress have no strong ideological motivation for this behavior, but
simply want to be able to grandstand on major issues without suffering serious political
consequences. They are glad to avoid having to vote one way or another on a war, since that
potentially could come back to haunt them if the war drags on, if it fails, or if many
Americans are killed. It's safer and easier for them to cheer on a president's illegal war when
it's popular and then start griping about it when it goes badly, and because they never cast a
vote one for or against the war they can have it both ways. If Congressional meddling succeeds
in damaging negotiations, any later costs to the U.S. from that missed opportunity won't be
linked back to the meddling members of Congress.
If the meddling doesn't work as intended, most
people will quickly forget it. In the meantime, the meddlers will get credit for "standing up"
against appeasement or whatever nonsensical description they choose to use.
Unfortunately,
there is normally no political cost for members of Congress that want to use diplomacy with an
unpopular government as an excuse to demagogue and look "tough" to the voters back home. That
is why many of them will try to interfere with U.S. diplomacy while giving the president free
rein to wage illegal wars for as long as he wants.
After reading Josh Marshall/David Frum debate on the nuclear deal yesterday, I found one of
the most effective Frum's arguments was liberals are claiming it is 2002 Iraq/n again. (Fair
argument considering Chait's great note on the 61 times Kristol uses
Churchill/Chamberlain/Hitler references.) Trying to avoid historical analogies, I am still
looking for actual evidence that Iran is building the bomb. The conservative argument still
rest on Iran still wants the bomb and the deal can't absolutely stop them.
Any thoughts on Stewart on Judith Miller interview on why the press accepted the
government's point that Iraq was building the bomb. Living through 2002, I was against the
Iraq War because I did not find the Bush administration WMD argument convincing enough and
felt it was a lot of heresy evidence. And i am seeing a similar argument with Iran.
This is from 1999 and in 2018 we see that Mills was right.
Notable quotes:
"... Personnel were constantly shifting back and forth from the corporate world to the military world. Big companies like General Motors had become dependent on military contracts. Scientific and technological innovations sponsored by the military helped fuel the growth of the economy. ..."
"... the military had become an active political force. Members of Congress, once hostile to the military, now treated officers with great deference. And no president could hope to staff the Department of State, find intelligence officers, and appoint ambassadors without consulting with the military. ..."
"... Mills believed that the emergence of the military as a key force in American life constituted a substantial attack on the isolationism which had once characterized public opinion. He argued that "the warlords, along with fellow travelers and spokesmen, are attempting to plant their metaphysics firmly among the population at large." ..."
"... In this state of constant war fever, America could no longer be considered a genuine democracy, for democracy thrives on dissent and disagreement, precisely what the military definition of reality forbids. If the changes described by Mills were indeed permanent, then The Power Elite could be read as the description of a deeply radical, and depressing, transformation of the nature of the United States. ..."
"... The immediate consequence of these changes in the world's balance of power has been a dramatic decrease in that proportion of the American economy devoted to defense. ..."
"... Mills's prediction that both the economy and the political system of the United States would come to be ever more dominated by the military ..."
"... Business firms, still the most powerful force in American life, are increasingly global in nature, more interested in protecting their profits wherever they are made than in the defense of the country in which perhaps only a minority of their employees live and work. Give most of the leaders of America's largest companies a choice between invading another country and investing in its industries and they will nearly always choose the latter over the former. ..."
"... Mills believed that in the 1950s, for the first time in American history, the military elite had formed a strong alliance with the economic elite. ..."
One of the crucial arguments Mills made in The Power Elite was that the emergence of
the Cold War completely transformed the American public's historic opposition to a permanent
military establishment in the United States. In deed, he stressed that America's military elite
was now linked to its economic and political elite. Personnel were constantly shifting back and
forth from the corporate world to the military world. Big companies like General Motors had
become dependent on military contracts. Scientific and technological innovations sponsored by
the military helped fuel the growth of the economy. And while all these links between the
economy and the military were being forged, the military had become an active political force.
Members of Congress, once hostile to the military, now treated officers with great deference.
And no president could hope to staff the Department of State, find intelligence officers, and
appoint ambassadors without consulting with the military.
Mills believed that the emergence of the military as a key force in American life
constituted a substantial attack on the isolationism which had once characterized public
opinion. He argued that "the warlords, along with fellow travelers and spokesmen, are
attempting to plant their metaphysics firmly among the population at large." Their goal was
nothing less than a redefinition of reality -- one in which the American people would come to
accept what Mills called "an emergency without a foreseeable end." "
War or a high state of war
preparedness is felt to be the normal and seemingly permanent condition of the United States,"
Mills wrote. In this state of constant war fever, America could no longer be considered a
genuine democracy, for democracy thrives on dissent and disagreement, precisely what the
military definition of reality forbids. If the changes described by Mills were indeed
permanent, then The Power Elite could be read as the description of a deeply radical,
and depressing, transformation of the nature of the United States.
Much as Mills wrote, it remains true today that Congress is extremely friendly to the
military, at least in part because the military has become so powerful in the districts of most
congressmen. Military bases are an important source of jobs for many Americans, and government
spending on the military is crucial to companies, such as Lockheed Martin and Boeing, which
manufacture military equipment. American firms are the leaders in the world's global arms
market, manufacturing and exporting weapons everywhere. Some weapons systems never seem to die,
even if, as was the case with a "Star Wars" system designed to destroy incoming missiles, there
is no demonstrable military need for them.
Yet despite these similarities with the 1950s, both the world and the role that America
plays in that world have changed. For one thing, the United States has been unable to muster
its forces for any sustained use in any foreign conflict since Vietnam. Worried about the
possibility of a public backlash against the loss of American lives, American presidents either
refrain from pursuing military adventures abroad or confine them to rapid strikes, along the
lines pursued by Presidents Bush and Clinton in Iraq. Since 1989, moreover, the collapse of
communism in Russia and Eastern Europe has undermined the capacity of America's elites to
mobilize support for military expenditures. China, which at the time Mills wrote was considered a serious threat, is now viewed by American businessmen as a source of great potential
investment. Domestic political support for a large and permanent military establishment in the
United States, in short, can no longer be taken for granted.
The immediate consequence of these changes in the world's balance of power has been a
dramatic decrease in that proportion of the American economy devoted to defense. At the time
Mills wrote, defense expenditures constituted roughly 60 percent of all federal outlays and
consumed nearly 10 percent of the U. S. gross domestic product. By the late 1990s, those
proportions had fallen to 17 percent of federal outlays and 3.5 percent of GDP. Nearly three
million Americans served in the armed forces when The Power Elite appeared, but that
number had dropped by half at century's end. By almost any account, Mills's prediction that
both the economy and the political system of the United States would come to be ever more
dominated by the military is not borne out by historical developments since his time.
And how could he have been right? Business firms, still the most powerful force in American
life, are increasingly global in nature, more interested in protecting their profits wherever
they are made than in the defense of the country in which perhaps only a minority of their
employees live and work. Give most of the leaders of America's largest companies a choice
between invading another country and investing in its industries and they will nearly always
choose the latter over the former.
Mills believed that in the 1950s, for the first time in
American history, the military elite had formed a strong alliance with the economic elite. Now
it would be more correct to say that America's economic elite finds more in common with
economic elites in other countries than it does with the military elite of its own....
"... The Russian Navy detained the Ukrainian ships. Of course, the Western presstitutes, most of whom are CIA assets, will blame "Russian aggression." Washington and its presstitutes are doing everything they can to make impossible Trump's expressed goal of normal relations with Russia. NATO spokesperson Oana Lungescu quickly aligned NATO with Ukraine: "NATO fully supports Ukraine's sovereignty and its territorial integrity, including its navigation rights in its territorial waters." ..."
"... The Russian government's response to Ukraine's provocation and violation of law was to call an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, as if anything would come of this. Washington pays such a large percentage of the UN budget, that few countries will side against Washington. As President Trump's crazed UN ambassador Nikki Haley said, "we take names." ..."
"... From all evidence, the Russian government still, despite all indications to the contrary, believes that presenting a non-threatening posture to the West, which appeals to law and not to arms, is effective in discrediting Western charges of aggression against Russia. If only it were true, but no sooner than a high Russian official announced that, despite the overwhelming elections for independence from Kiev in the breakway Russian provinces of Ukraine, Russia would not recognize the independent republics of Donetsk and Luhansk than "the Ukrainian army opened massive artillery fire on Sunday, shelling residential areas of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic." https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811261070125114-ukraine-kerch-strait-crisis-martial-law-poroshenko/ ..."
Ukrainian military ships have violated Russian restrictions in the Sea of Azov and Articles
19 and 21 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. The Ukrainian Navy crossed the Russian
sea border and entered a closed area of Russian territorial waters. Clearly, Washington was
behind this as Ukraine would not undertake such a provocation on its own. Here is an accurate
explanation of the event: https://www.rt.com/news/444857-russia-ukraine-kerch-strait-standoff/
The US military/security complex prefers the risk of nuclear war to any diminution of its
$1,000 billion annual budget, a completely unnecessary sum that is destined to grow as the
presstitutes, in line with the military/security complex, continue to demonize both Russia and
Putin and to never question the obvious orchestrations that are used to portray Russia as a
threat.
The Russian government's response to Ukraine's provocation and violation of law was to call
an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, as if anything would come of this. Washington
pays such a large percentage of the UN budget, that few countries will side against Washington.
As President Trump's crazed UN ambassador Nikki Haley said, "we take names."
From all evidence, the Russian government still, despite all indications to the contrary,
believes that presenting a non-threatening posture to the West, which appeals to law and not to
arms, is effective in discrediting Western charges of aggression against Russia. If only it
were true, but no sooner than a high Russian official announced that, despite the overwhelming
elections for independence from Kiev in the breakway Russian provinces of Ukraine, Russia would
not recognize the independent republics of Donetsk and Luhansk than "the Ukrainian army opened
massive artillery fire on Sunday, shelling residential areas of the self-proclaimed Donetsk
People's Republic."
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811261070125114-ukraine-kerch-strait-crisis-martial-law-poroshenko/
By trusting that there is a rule of law in the West, the Russian government is digging
Russia's grave while it allows Washington's Ukrainian Nazis to murder Russian people. The
Russian government is discrediting itself by trusting US vassals, such as Germany, to enforce
the Minsk agreement and, despite all evidence to the contrary, believing that there is a rule
of law in the West. Russia continues, year after year, to appeal to this non-existent entity
called the Western Rule of Law.
This policy reassures the Zionist Neoconservatives who rule Washington's foreign policy that
Russia is incapable of defending its interests.
ORDER IT NOW Russia Is Disadvantaged by Her Belief that the West Is Governed by Law, by Paul
Craig Roberts - The Unz Review
This makes Russia an easy mark for Washington to destabilize. We see it already in Putin's
falling approval ratings in Russia. The Russian government permits US-financed Russian
newspapers and NGO organizations to beat up the Russian government on a daily basis. Decades of
American propaganda have convinced many in the world that Washington's friendship is the key to
success. The Russian Atlanticist Integrationists believe that Putin stands in the way of this
friendship.
China is also an easy mark. The Chinese government permits Chinese students to study in the
US from whence they return brainwashed by US propaganda and become Washington's Fifth Column in
China.
It sometimes seems that Russia and China are more focused on gaining wealth than they are on
national survival. It is extraordinary that these two governments are still constrained in
their independence and remain dependent on the US dollar and Western financial systems for
clearances of their international trade.
As Washington controls the explanations, surviving Washington's hegemony is proving to be a
challenge for both countries.
Saving neoliberalism in the USA requires demonizing Russia. A funny thing is that Russia is a
neoliberal country since 1991, which was economically raped in 1991-2000 by some western
countries (with the help of some Harvard Business school economists, IMF and intelligence
agencies.) So now they are suffering for the second time for their overthrow of Bolshevism and
the switch to neoliberalism (which now looks like a misguided move, judging from economic
consequences for the majority of Russian population) ;-)
The Trumpenleft (or "Sputnik Left," as it is also called by professional
anti-Putin-Nazi intelligence analysts ) is pretty much exactly what it sounds like. It is a
gang of nefarious Putin-Nazi infiltrators posing as respectable leftists in order to
disseminate Trumpian ideology and Putin-Nazi propaganda among an assortment of online leftist
magazines that hardly anyone ever actually reads. The aim of these insidious Trumpenleft
infiltrators is to sow confusion, chaos, and discord among actual, real, authentic leftists who
are going about the serious business of calling Donald Trump a fascist on the Internet
twenty-five times a day, verbally abusing Julian
Assange , occasionally pulling down oppressive statues, and sharing videos of racist idiots
acting like racist idiots in public.
... ... ...
This is the type of gobbledegook the Trumpenleft use to try to dupe real leftists into
putting down their phones for a minute and actually thinking through political issues!
Fortunately, no one is falling for it. As any bona fide leftist knows, there is no "mass
migration problem." The whole thing is simply a racist hoax concocted by Putin, Alex Jones, and
other Trumpian disinformationists. The only thing real leftists need to know about immigration
is that immigrants are good, and Trump, and walls, and borders are bad! All that other fancy
gibberish about global capitalism, Milton Friedman, labor markets, and national sovereignty is
nothing but fascist propaganda (which needs to be censored, or at least deplatformed, or
demonetized, or otherwise suppressed).
But Angela Nagle is just one example. The Trumpenleft is legion, and growing. Its membership
includes a handful of prominent (and rather less prominent) fake leftist figures: Glenn
Greenwald, who many among the "Resistance" would like to see renditioned and
indefinitely detained in some offshore Trumpenleft gulag somewhere; Matt Taibbi, who just
published
a treasonous article challenging the right of the US government to prosecute publishers as
"enemy agents" for publishing material they don't want published; Julian Assange, who is one
such publisher, and who the US has scheduled for public crucifixion just as
soon as they can get their hands on him; Aaron Maté of the Real News Network, a
notorious Trump-Russia " collusion denialist "; Caitlin Johnstone , an Australian blogger and poet who
the Red-Brown Putin-Nazi hunters at CounterPunch have become totally obsessed with;
Diana Johnstone , who they also don't like; and (full disclosure)
your humble narrator .
Now, normally, the opinions of some political journalists and rather marginal political
writers wouldn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world, but there's a war on, so
there's no room for neutrality. As I mentioned in my latest essay , over the
course of the next two years, the global capitalist ruling classes need to make an example of
Trump, and Assange, and anyone else who has had the gall to fuck with their global empire. Part
of how they are going to do this is to further polarize the already extremely polarized
ideological spectrum until everyone is forced onto one or the other side of a pro- or
anti-Trump equation, or a pro- or anti-populist equation or a pro- or anti-fascist
equation.
As you probably noticed, The Guardian has just launched a special six-week
"investigative series" exploring the whole " new populism " phenomenon
(which began with a lot of scary photos of Steve Bannon next to the word "populism"). We are
going to be hearing a lot about "populism" over the course of the next two years. We are going
to be hearing how "populism" is actually not that different from fascism, or at the very least
is inherently racist, and anti-Semitic, and xenophobic, and how, basically, anyone who
criticizes neoliberal elites or the corporate media is Russia-loving, pro-Trump Nazi.
"... Trump's memo on the Saudis begins with the headline "The world is a very dangerous place!" Indeed, it is and behavior by the three occupants of the White House since 2000 is largely to blame. ..."
"... Indeed, a national security policy that sees competitors and adversaries as enemies in a military sense has made nuclear war, unthinkable since the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991, thinkable once again. ..."
"... George Washington's dictum in his Farewell Address , counseling his countrymen to "observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all." And Washington might have somehow foreseen the poisonous relationships with Israel and the Saudis when he warned that " a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification." ..."
"... Cautious optimism may be better than none, but futile nonetheless. Bullying, dispossession, slavery and genocide constitute the very bedrock, the essence and soul of the founding of our country. ..."
"... Truth be told we simply know of no other kinder, gentler alternatives to perpetual war and destruction as the cornerstone of our foreign policy. Normality? Not in my lifetime. ..."
"... Your CNI and 'If Americans Knew' informed me about Rand Paul's courageous move. I plan to call his office today to give him encouragement and call my Senators and Representative to urge them to support him (fat chance of that but I have to stick it in their face). ..."
"... America doesn't have a policy because America is no longer a real nation. It's an empire filled with diverse groups of peoples who all hate each other and want to use the power of the government for the benefit of their overseas co-ethnics. ..."
President Donald Trump's
recent statement on the Jamal Khashoggi killing by Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince might well be considered a metaphor for his foreign
policy. Several commentators have suggested that the text appears to be something that Trump wrote himself without any adult supervision,
similar to the poorly expressed random arguments presented in his tweeting only longer. That might be the case, but it would not
be wise to dismiss the document as merely frivolous or misguided as it does in reality express the kind of thinking that has produced
a foreign policy that seems to drift randomly to no real end, a kind of leaderless creative destruction of the United States as a
world power.
Lord Palmerston, Prime Minister of Britain in the mid nineteenth century, famously said that "Nations have no permanent friends
or allies, they only have permanent interests."The United States currently has neither real friends nor any clearly defined interests.
It is, however, infested with parasites that have convinced an at-drift America that their causes are identical to the interests
of the United States. Leading the charge to reduce the U.S. to "bitch" status, as Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard
has artfully put it , are Israel and Saudi
Arabia, but there are many other countries, alliances and advocacy groups that have learned how to subvert and direct the "leader
of the free world."
Trump's memo on the Saudis begins with the headline "The world is a very dangerous place!" Indeed, it is and behavior by the
three occupants of the White House since 2000 is largely to blame. It is difficult to find a part of the world where an actual
American interest is being served by Washington's foreign and global security policies. Indeed, a national security policy that
sees competitors and adversaries as enemies in a military sense has made nuclear war, unthinkable since the demise of the Soviet
Union in 1991, thinkable once again. The fact that no one is the media or in political circles is even talking about that terrible
danger suggests that war has again become mainstreamed, tacitly benefiting from bipartisan acceptance of it as a viable foreign policy
tool by the media, in the U.S. Congress and also in the White House.
The part of the world where American meddling coupled with ignorance has produced the worst result is inevitably the Middle East...
... ... ...
All of the White House's actions have one thing in common and that is that they do not benefit Americans in any way unless one
works for a weapons manufacturer, and that is not even taking into consideration the dead soldiers and civilians and the massive
debt that has been incurred to intervene all over the world. One might also add that most of America's interventions are built on
deliberate lies by the government and its associated media, intended to increase tension and create a casus belli where
none exists.
So what is to be done as it often seems that the best thing Trump has going for him is that he is not Hillary Clinton? First of
all, a comprehensive rethink of what the real interests of the United States are in the world arena is past due. America is less
safe now than it was in 2001 as it continues to make enemies with its blundering everywhere it goes. There are now
four times as many designated terrorists as there were in 2001, active in 70 countries. One would quite plausibly soon arrive
at George Washington's dictum in his Farewell Address
, counseling his countrymen to "observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all." And Washington
might have somehow foreseen the poisonous relationships with Israel and the Saudis when he warned that " a passionate attachment
of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary
common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former
into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification."
George Washington or any of the other Founders would be appalled to see an America with 800 military bases overseas, allegedly
for self-defense. The transfer of wealth from taxpayers to the military industrial complex and related entities like Wall Street
has been catastrophic. The United States does not need to protect Israel and Saudi Arabia, two countries that are armed to the teeth
and well able to defend themselves. Nor does it have to be in Syria and Afghanistan. And
If the United States were to withdraw its military from the Middle East and the rest of Asia tomorrow, it would be to nearly everyone's
benefit. If the armed forces were to be subsequently reduced to a level sufficient to defend the United States it would put money
back in the pockets of Americans and end the continuous fearmongering through surfacing of "threats" by career militarists justifying
the bloated budgets.
... ... ...
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational
foundation that seeks a more interests [email protected]
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but even small steps in the right direction could initiate a gradual process of turning the United States into a more normal
country in its relationships with the rest of the world rather than a universal predator and bully.
Cautious optimism may be better than none, but futile nonetheless. Bullying, dispossession, slavery and genocide constitute
the very bedrock, the essence and soul of the founding of our country.
To expect mutations -- no matter how slow or fast in a
trait that appears deeply embedded in our DNA is to be naive. Add to that the intractable stranglehold Zionists and organized
world Jewry has on our nuts and decision making. A more congruent convergence of histories and DNAs would be hard to come by among
other nations. Truth be told we simply know of no other kinder, gentler alternatives to perpetual war and destruction as the cornerstone
of our foreign policy. Normality? Not in my lifetime.
Your CNI and 'If Americans Knew' informed me about Rand Paul's courageous move. I plan to call his office today to give
him encouragement and call my Senators and Representative to urge them to support him (fat chance of that but I have to stick
it in their face).
Hey, how about a Rand Paul-Tulsi Gabbard fusion ticket in 2024, not a bad idea, IMHO.
Going back to the Administration you can see the slimy Zionist hands of Steven Miller on all of those foreign policy statements.
Trump is allowing this because he has to protect his flanks from Zionists, Christian or otherwise. He might be just giving Miller
just enough rope to jettison him (wishful thinking on my part). Or he doesn't care or is unaware of the texts, a possibility.
1. Because that defies human nature. See all of history if you disagree.
2. America doesn't have a policy because America is no longer a real nation. It's an empire filled with diverse groups of peoples
who all hate each other and want to use the power of the government for the benefit of their overseas co-ethnics.
The beginning of USA foreign policy for me is the 1820 or 1830 Monroe Declaration: south America is our backyard, keep out.
Few people know that at the time European countries considered war on the USA because of this beginning of world domination.
When I told this to a USA correspondent the reply was 'but this declaration still is taught here in glowing terms'.
What we saw then was the case until Obama, USA foreign policy was for internal political reasons.
As Hollings stated in 2004 'Bush promising AIPAC the war on Iraq, that is politics'.
No empire ever, as far as I know, ever was in the comfortable position to be able to let foreign policy to be decided (almost)
completely by internal politics.
This changed during the Obama reign, the two war standard had to be lowered to one and a half.
All of a sudden the USA had to develop a foreign policy, a policy that had to take into consideration the world outside the USA.
Not the whole USA understands this, the die hards of Deep State in the lead.
What a half war accomplishes we see, my opinion, in Syria, a half war does not bring victory on an enemy who wages a whole
war.
Assad is still there, Russia has airforce and naval bases in Syria.
Normally, as any history book explains, foreign policy of a country is decided on in secret by a few people.
British preparations for both WWI and WWII included detailed technical talks with both the USA and France, not even all cabinet
members knew about it.
One of Trump's difficulties is that Deep State does not at all has the intention of letting the president decide on foreign policy,
at the time of FDR he did what he liked, though, if one reads for example Baruch's memoirs, in close cooperation with the Deep
State that then existed.
The question 'why do we not leave the rest of the world alone', hardly ever asked.
The USA is nearly autarcic, foreign trade, from memory, some five percent of national income, a very luxurious position.
But of course, leaving the rest of the world alone, huge internal consequences, as Hinckley explains with an example, politically
impossible to stop the development of a bomber judged to be superfluous.
Barbara Hinckley Sheldon Goldman, American Politics and Government, Glenview Ill.,1990
Good luck. A fight over resources with the biggest consumer of resources, the People That Kill People and all their little buddies
in the Alphabet Soup of Law Enforcement and Intelligence Depravity..
That could get a fella hurt. Ask Jack and Bob Kennedy.
"The bilateral relationship between the U.S. and Russia is now worse than it was towards the end of the Cold War". Classic American
cold warrior mentality. The present-day Russian Federation is assimilated to the former Soviet Union.
Tragically for America, and the West in general, President Trump is unrecognizable from
candidate Trump :
'This is a crossroads in the history of our civilization that will determine whether or not we the people reclaim control over
our government. The political establishment that is trying to stop us is the same group responsible for our disastrous trade deals,
massive illegal immigration and economic and foreign policies that have bled our country dry Their financial resources are virtually
unlimited, their political resources are unlimited, their media resources are unmatched, and most importantly, the depths of their
immorality is absolutely unlimited.'
Jun 6, 2017 50 Years After Launching June 1967 War, Israel Continues World's Longest Military
Occupation
In the final installment of our three-part special on the 50th anniversary of the June
1967 war, author and scholar Norman Finkelstein discusses why the U.S.-backed "peace process"
was never meant to end the Israeli occupation, and how, despite the ongoing brutality, mass
Palestinian civil resistance could still bring it to an end.
Marxism is a brilliant sui generis philosophy of history. The attending political
position was a heartfelt reaction to the immiseration of the working classes of Europe.
There were many similar ideologies to Marxism in political viewpoint, but Marxism is
outstandingly intellectually interesting.
Marx is not differentiated from other (Gentile) socialists by his politics but by his
genius. I doubt his part Jewishness had much to do with that.
Jews have made up a huge proportion of decent economists from all economic
perspectives.
Meanwhile, Ayn Rand was an highly eccentric writer of romantic fiction that lucidly
captured the snivelling, resentment fueled scumbags who make up the denizens of the
swamp.
Pychoanalysis – (((Freud)
Freud's psychoanalysis might be flawed but his work constitutes a truly great body of
literature and the invention of a new and important subject. He is one of the greatest
thinkers of all time.
USSR – (((Lenin))), (((Trotsky)
Lenin wasn't Jewish. Trotsky was. Lenin was in charge, while Trotsky ended up murdered
while in ignominious exile.
SJW/open society/antifa movements – (((Soros))) and other forture 400
(((billionaires)))
I'm not sure how you think antifa and billionaires are best buddies but Jews are obviously
a minority among billionaires.
Soros is deranged. There are plenty of bad people in every group. There are more maniac
progressive types among Jews. The explanations are mundane.
Big tech censorship – (((ADL))), (((SPLC))), (((Zuckerberg))), (((Brin)))
Again, Jews are a small minority of those enacting big tech censorship. Indeed, America
remains one of human history's least censored societies. That doesn't make it good but you
need get some perspective before you go all crazy.
Hollywood and other pop culture entertainment – easily all senior positions at the
very least 50% jewish
Nonsense. And a lot of that stuff is pretty good.
The jew really is to blame, which is also why they are so hell bent on censoring and
jailing people for stating these blatant truths.
Lenin wasn't Jewish. Trotsky was. Lenin was in charge, while Trotsky ended up murdered
while in ignominious exile.
apparently Lenin was part jewish and had disdain for white people, ethnic Russians
Trotsky was the racist he accused others of being – he wanted to fill Russia with
what he called "white n1ggers" presumably to ruled by jews like himself – what right a
5% has to rule the rest of the country? It would be like Chinese ruling the U.S.
Again, Jews are a small minority of those enacting big tech censorship.
really? (((Facebook))), (((Google))), and (((SPLC))) and (((ADL))) are the so called
"safety advisors" so no leftist or jew should ever have to stumble upon the truth on those
sites
also, why do you thnk BitChute lost access to PayPal and Stripe? why do think Paul Nehlen
suddenly had trouble with his upstream suppliers for the business he manages? its because
jews behind the scenes collude against and punish any competitiors or anyone speaking out
about jews – this is what they do
Indeed, America remains one of human history's least censored societies.
no thanks to the jews, who have pulled this "hate speech" crap already in Canada, UK,
Australia, and Europe. They are the reason those countries don't have Free Speech and they're
coming for Free Speech here in the U.S. too – because (((their))) feelings are more
important than your rights
The overwhelming majority of Jews are not Semites (peoples from the Middle East). Most Jews'
points of origin are in Europe.
My family (mother's side) German Jews – not a Semite in the bunch. Mostly blond
haired & blue eyes.
There is real resistance to those, who attempt to clarify this vital point. Ron Unz, this
is your website, and these are some of your topics. Why fear to tread? Why fear the truth?
You've come so far. Come all the way into the light.
Most Jews come from – – – Read Arthur Koestler's "The Thirteenth
Tribe" as a start for your education and a cure for your being brainwashed.
Have received some threatening emails, and despite all the political views this Anarchist
has, the threats have ALL been in response to my analysis of just who are, and are not
Semites. Unz, and Commentators, I need no help here. I fear not, and cannot live forever.
Orwell's 1984 , explains in detail the use of false language and false History as
the KEY tools in repressing Humanity, and Humanity's Liberty.
The misidentification of just who Semites are is a powerful weapon in the hands of the
Zionist Land Thieves and their American, British, & French puppets. The Jewish claim
to Semitism goes in tandem with their insistence on their right to exterminate
Palestinians and occupy their land, and later, the Zionist Oligarchs will continue to
occupy all the Middle East "eretz Israel," and concurrently, they will occupy and control
(with the weapons of financial/banking and physical terror), the peoples of this planet.
It is no wonder Gilad Atzmon has it all wrong. Look for no help here.
Jews have not been the only recipients of the Brutality that humans often inflict on one
another. And Jews have not been specially singled out, over Serbians, Russians, Chinese,
Armenians, Native Americans, Iraqis, Syrians, Vietnamese, Indonesians (1965), Yemenis,
Libyans, Afghanis, Africans (slavery and neo colonizing of their nations), and dozens
more.
Jews belong (yes, they, with all the rest of Earth's people, belong). Jews belong in
America, and Europe, where they may reside in happiness and freedom with all the other
peoples, and, if they wish, they may visit their newly Freed and Happy Palestinian friends,
(and host them in their European and American homes) – as well.
We American Patriots , we will host all, in our Restored American Republic.
And America's finest statesman, Dr. Ron Paul , will become our First Constitutional
President – since John F. Kennedy.
The Living Dream, and do not Fear.
Durruti for the Anarchist Collective
West Bank Settler and American Patriot, by Gilad
Atzmon - The Unz Review
@wayfarer
The USA is full of Jewish billionaires. Why on earth does Israel need any blood money from
the hard-pressed taxpayers when they could supply their home away from home with all the
extra money it needs, if indeed it needs any at all? If you are wondering about one of the
main causes of US anti-Semitism, look no further than the billions our AIPAC-controlled
traitorous Congress gives to that apartheid state every year.
West Bank Settler and American Patriot, by Gilad Atzmon - The Unz Review
What a pleasure to find Gilad Atzmon here at UNZ. And as usual, Mr. Atzmon delivers fresh
insights and bold perspectives.
I am grateful that Gilad is examining as well as talking to hyper-Zionists living in
Pennsylvania. This is revealing. I appreciate Yonatan Stern's willingness to address Atzmon's
questions.
I was similarly impressed–unexpectedly so–when I met the late Rabbi Meir
Kahane, who I briefly interviewed for a televised TV debate I produced ('Why Terrorism?') in
1986. Former US Congressman, Pete McCloskey (R-CA), took the opposing side in this exchange
concerning the future of Palestine/Israel as well as US policies there. In my opinion, Kahane
won the debate (though not on its merits).
Rabbi Kahane was an unabashed separatist (like most devout Jews) and he famously declared
(somewhat prematurely) that Israel's native gentiles ('Palestinians') had no future in a
Jewish State.
Kahane believed that all these resentful, recalcitrant Arabs should be kicked out of
Israel. He was unabashedly pro-separation. From a Zionist point of view, Kahane offered a
violent though practical long-term solution. Multiculturalism is inherently problematic and
destabilizing. It is also incompatible with Jewish nationalism. But Kahane made Jewish
liberals blush. As a result, he was declared a 'racist' by establishment Jews; even though
Judaism is, at its core, race-driven.
Please keep in mind that during this era (Carter through Clinton) the endless Mideast
'peace process' was still underway with all the hype, fanfare, and false hopes.
The 'peace process' ended up being a road to nowhere–full of highfalutin awards,
accords, meetings, 'confidence-building measures' and an endless array of Jewish advisors,
pro-Israel committees, donors and 'experts'. Kahane knew that it was doomed from the
start.
Nevertheless, Jews from nearly every 'mainstream' political faction world-wide derided
Kahane's straightforward and 'racist' solutions, even though his prophetic advice now mirrors
today's Israeli policies. Meir Kahane was simply ahead of his time. He was also far too
candid for his liberal cousins to own up to.
A few years after Kahane's televised debate with McCloskey, he was assassinated in
NYC.
In any event, it is undeniable that blood/ancestry is at the heart of Judaism. The Law of
Return tells us so. Religiosity on the other hand has become somewhat incidental to
Jewishness. A committed, ethnic Jew (but an atheistic one) such as Allen Dershowitz, for
instance, is as 'Jewish' as any orthodox rabbi. Identity and ancestry is what matters.
Thus I appreciate Stern's criticism of his Jewish cousins who have saddled America with
top-down 'liberalism', a movement that's functioned as a court-ordered Trojan Horse inside
America.
Like his Jewish cousins however, Stern's still a bit of a fraud–since he relies on
double-standards, special privileges, and ancestral grievances to justify his unique
collection of rights as a land-grabbing Zionist.
Stern hypocritically derides non-violent whites in Charlottesville who want the same
rights for themselves in America as Jews get in Israel: to preserve their culture,
traditions, racial lineage, and majority status. These are core Zionist values. But Stern
would deny them to any and all American whites.
Stern is also disinclined to express any gratitude to his duplicitous, liberal cousins for
their decades-long, pro-Jewish activism. Yet Stern is beneficiary of their subterfuge. Jewish
activism helps explain why Jews have risen in America while others–such as the white,
working-class men in Charlottesville–have fallen.
US Liberalism (with plenty of help from Zionist Jews) coercively integrated America
racially (but not in Israel), opened our borders to all (but not in Israel) and erected a
towering wall between 'church and state' (but not in Israel).
These tricks have been good for the Jews, which includes Stern. He can now wear his
yarmulke proudly and not get laughed at–or punched (since its a 'hate crime'
today).
Liberal and 'secular' Jews also helped orchestrate Washington's de facto marriage to the
State of Israel. This has also empowered Stern. And to the delight of most Jews (both left
and right) the US has been largely de-Christianized over the past sixty years. This is more
smart work by Jewish jurists, lawyers, and academics–many with close ties to the
'liberal' ACLU.
As a beneficiary of all this, Stern should thank his liberal cousins for this political
black magic. Yet he pretends to object.
Stern is at least correct when he acknowledges that 'progressive' Jews have damaged the
West and that they are still doing so.
"... Appropriating the land from its stewards was racialized war from the first British settlement in Jamestown, pitting "civilization" against "savagery." Through this pursuit, the U.S. military gained its unique character as a force with mastery in "irregular" warfare. In spite of this, most military historians pay little attention to the so-called Indian Wars from 1607 to 1890, as well as the 1846–48 invasion and occupation of Mexico. ..."
"... Even following the founding of the professional U.S. Army in the 1810s, irregular warfare was the method of the U.S. conquest of the Ohio Valley, Great Lakes, Southeast, and Mississippi Valley regions, then west of the Mississippi to the Pacific, including taking half of Mexico. Since that time, irregular methods have been used in tandem with operations of regular armed forces and are, perhaps, what most marks U.S. armed forces as different from other armies of global powers. ..."
"... A version of this article originally appeared in the Boston Review . ..."
"... Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz is the author of An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States . ..."
prior to its founding, what would become the United
States was engaged -- as it would continue to be for more than a century following -- in
internal warfare to piece together its continental territory. Even during the Civil War, both
the Union and Confederate armies continued to war against the nations of the Diné and
Apache, the Cheyenne and the Dakota, inflicting hideous massacres upon civilians and forcing
their relocations. Yet when considering the history of U.S. imperialism and militarism, few
historians trace their genesis to this period of internal empire-building. They should. The
origin of the United States in settler colonialism -- as an empire born from the violent
acquisition of indigenous lands and the ruthless devaluation of indigenous lives -- lends the
country unique characteristics that matter when considering questions of how to unhitch its
future from its violent DNA.
The United States is not exceptional in the amount of violence or bloodshed when compared to
colonial conquests in Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, and South America. Elimination of the native
is implicit in settler colonialism and colonial projects in which large swaths of land and
workforces are sought for commercial exploitation. Extreme violence against noncombatants was a
defining characteristic of all European colonialism, often with genocidal results.
The privatization of land is at the core of the U.S. experiment, and its military powerhouse
was born to expropriate resources. Apt, then, that we once again have a real estate man for
president.
Rather, what distinguishes the United States is the triumphal mythology attached to that
violence and its political uses, even to this day. The post–9/11 external and
internal U.S. war against Muslims-as-"barbarians" finds its prefiguration in the "savage wars"
of the American colonies and the early U.S. state against Native Americans. And when there
were, in effect, no Native Americans left to fight, the practice of "savage wars" remained. In
the twentieth century, well before the War on Terror, the United States carried out large-scale
warfare in the Philippines, Europe, Korea, and Vietnam; prolonged invasions and occupations in
Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic; and counterinsurgencies in Columbia and
Southern Africa. In all instances, the United States has perceived itself to be pitted in war
against savage forces.
Appropriating the land from its stewards was racialized war from the first British
settlement in Jamestown, pitting "civilization" against "savagery." Through this pursuit, the
U.S. military gained its unique character as a force with mastery in "irregular" warfare. In
spite of this, most military historians pay little attention to the so-called Indian Wars from
1607 to 1890, as well as the 1846–48 invasion and occupation of Mexico. Yet it was
during the nearly two centuries of British colonization of North America that generations of
settlers gained experience as "Indian fighters" outside any organized military institution.
While large, highly regimented "regular" armies fought over geopolitical goals in Europe, Anglo
settlers in North America waged deadly irregular warfare against the continent's indigenous
nations to seize their land, resources, and roads, driving them westward and eventually
forcibly relocating them west of the Mississippi. Even following the founding of the
professional U.S. Army in the 1810s, irregular warfare was the method of the U.S. conquest of
the Ohio Valley, Great Lakes, Southeast, and Mississippi Valley regions, then west of the
Mississippi to the Pacific, including taking half of Mexico. Since that time, irregular methods
have been used in tandem with operations of regular armed forces and are, perhaps, what most
marks U.S. armed forces as different from other armies of global powers.
By the presidency of Andrew Jackson (1829–37), whose lust for displacing and killing
Native Americans was unparalleled, the character of the U.S. armed forces had come, in the
national imaginary, to be deeply entangled with the mystique of indigenous nations -- as
though, in adopting the practices of irregular warfare, U.S. soldiers had become the very thing
they were fighting. This persona involved a certain identification with the Native enemy,
marking the settler as Native American rather than European. This was part of the sleight of
hand by which U.S. Americans came to genuinely believe that they had a rightful claim to the
continent: they had fought for it and "become" its indigenous inhabitants.
Irregular military techniques that were perfected while expropriating Native American lands
were then applied to fighting the Mexican Republic. At the time of its independence from Spain
in 1821, the territory of Mexico included what is now the states of California, New Mexico,
Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, and Texas. Upon independence, Mexico continued the practice of
allowing non-Mexicans to acquire large swaths of land for development under land grants, with
the assumption that this would also mean the welcome eradication of indigenous peoples. By 1836
nearly 40,000 Americans, nearly all slavers (and not counting the enslaved), had moved to
Mexican Texas. Their ranger militias were a part of the settlement, and in 1835 became formally
institutionalized as the Texas Rangers. Their principal state-sponsored task was the
eradication of the Comanche nation and all other Native peoples in Texas. Mounted and armed
with the new killing machine, the five-shot Colt Paterson revolver, they did so with dedicated
precision.
Having perfected their art in counterinsurgency operations against Comanches and other
Native communities, the Texas Rangers went on to play a significant role in the U.S. invasion
of Mexico. As seasoned counterinsurgents, they guided U.S. Army forces deep into Mexico,
engaging in the Battle of Monterrey. Rangers also accompanied General Winfield Scott's army and
the Marines by sea, landing in Vera Cruz and mounting a siege of Mexico's main commercial port
city. They then marched on, leaving a path of civilian corpses and destruction, to occupy
Mexico City, where the citizens called them Texas Devils. In defeat and under military
occupation, Mexico ceded the northern half of its territory to the United States, and Texas
became a state in 1845. Soon after, in 1860, Texas seceded, contributing its Rangers to the
Confederate cause. After the Civil War, the Texas Rangers picked up where they had left off,
pursuing counterinsurgency against both remaining Native communities and resistant
Mexicans.
The Marines also trace half of their mythological origins to the invasion of Mexico that
nearly completed the continental United States. The opening lyric of the official hymn of the
Marine Corps, composed and adopted in 1847, is "From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of
Tripoli." Tripoli refers to the First Barbary War of 1801–5, when the Marines were
dispatched to North Africa by President Thomas Jefferson to invade the Berber Nation, shelling
the city of Tripoli, taking captives, and blockading key Barbary ports for nearly four years.
The "Hall of Montezuma," though, refers to the invasion of Mexico: while the U.S. Army occupied
what is now California, Arizona, and New Mexico, the Marines invaded by sea and marched to
Mexico City, murdering and torturing civilian resisters along the way.
So what does it matter, for those of us who strive for peace and justice, that the U.S.
military had its start in killing indigenous populations, or that U.S. imperialism has its
roots in the expropriation of indigenous lands?
It matters because it tells us that the privatization of lands and other forms of human
capital are at the core of the U.S. experiment. The militaristic-capitalist powerhouse of the
United States derives from real estate (which includes African bodies, as well as appropriated
land). It is apt that we once again have a real estate man for president, much like the first
president, George Washington, whose fortune came mainly from his success speculating on unceded
Indian lands. The U.S. governmental structure is designed to serve private property interests,
the primary actors in establishing the United States being slavers and land speculators. That
is, the United States was founded as a capitalist empire. This was exceptional in the world and
has remained exceptional, though not in a way that benefits humanity. The military was designed
to expropriate resources, guarding them against loss, and will continue to do so if left to its
own devices under the control of rapacious capitalists.
When extreme white nationalists make themselves visible -- as they have for the past decade,
and now more than ever with a vocal white nationalist president -- they are dismissed as
marginal, rather than being understood as the spiritual descendants of the settlers. White
supremacists are not wrong when they claim that they understand something about the American
Dream that the rest of us do not, though it is nothing to brag about. Indeed, the origins of
the United States are consistent with white nationalist ideology. And this is where those of us
who wish for peace and justice must start: with full awareness that we are trying to
fundamentally change the nature of the country, which will always be extremely difficult
work.
A version of this article originally appeared in the Boston
Review .
Gobachev rammed this treaty down the throats of the Russian MIC and they hated it. Free of
its constraints they can develop new launchers and warheads. The US redeployed the warheads
from |Pershing II mid-range rockets into B61 nuclear bombs to be flown on German, Belgian,
Italian, Dutch aircraft in breach of Non-Proliferation Treaty ..they have now been upgraded to
B61-12.
The Russians know the US wants a new arms race but they lack the nuclear engineers and
rocket motors. There is a Thycydides Trap and US wants to go pre-emptive, if EU states don't
punish Romania and Poland for inviting launchers on Russia's doorstep it is a useless
institution and nothing more than a US fig leaf
The Russians don't really lose much from the INF treaty these days. They have just
announced cruise missiles with virtually unlimited range, so who cares about 500-5,500
km?
The INF was always carefully shaped to benefit the USA anyway. It applies exclusively to
"land-based" missiles, while the US Navy has a huge fleet of ships that can carry cruise
missiles anywhere in the world.
The "Aegis Ashore" installations in Poland and Romania, to which Mr Putin has referred
repeatedly, point up the absurdity of the treaty's terms. The Americans have designed their
naval Aegis missile system so that it can be carried ashore and used there. So is that
"land-based" or not?
And what about Russian Klub-K (and possibly other) missiles that can be concealed in
ordinary freight containers and taken anywhere? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_c_PeIIeMw
Do they suddenly begin to infringe the INF the moment that container is hoisted off a
ship?
Yes but the INF Treaty really pertained to Europe and the fact that Reagan could fight a
limited nuclear war in Europe without affecting strategic balance that game is back in town.
It is Europe that is going to be the dead zone,
Why would anyone invest in Poland and Romania as front line battle states ? If you go to
the Fulda Gap you see the consequences of being a battle zone – no investment in
industry. Now Amazon has a giant warehouse but for decades this was the Tank Battlezone with
Point Alpha in Here looking across at the channel for the 8th Guards Army tank units surging
from GDR towards Frankfurt.
Simply turning Romania and Poland into battlefields gets us back to where Europe was in
1941
Barbara Lee being the only member of Congress to vote against the Authorization for the Use
of Military Force. The PATRIOT Act -- one Senator, Russ Feingold standing up and voting against
it when it was initially promoted. So, it was a very effective consolidation of thinking and this
bipartisan embrace of counterinsurgency as a normal part of American politics.
Trump's predecessor, Barack Obama, continued some of the worst policies of the George W.
Bush administration. He expanded the global battlefield post-9/11 into at least seven
countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, and Syria. At the end of Obama's
second term, a
report by Council of Foreign Relations found that in 2016, Obama dropped an average of 72
bombs a day. He used drone strikes as a liberal panacea for fighting those "terrorists" while
keeping boots off the ground. But he also expanded the number of troops deployed in
Afghanistan. Immigrants were deported in such record numbers under Obama that immigration
activists called him the "deporter-in-chief." And then there were the "Terror Tuesday"
meetings, where Obama national security officials would order pizza and drink Coke and review
the list of potential targets on their secret assassination list.
For his liberal base, Obama sanitized a morally bankrupt expansion of war, and used Predator
and Reaper drones strapped with Hellfire missiles to kill suspected terrorists, including U.S.
citizens stripped of their due process. The Obama administration harshly prosecuted
whistleblowers in a shocking attack on press freedoms. By the end of his presidency, official
numbers on civilian deaths by drone were
underreported ; we may never know the
true cost of these wars, which continue today.
Bush, before him, in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, took a hatchet to civil liberties:
He expanded National Security Agency surveillance on overseas communications and created a
system for unprecedented levels of surveilled communications of U.S. citizens. Much of this
happened with the support of leading Democrats. Mosques across the country and in New York City
were spied on. The authorization for the use of military force was passed in 2001 with the full
backing of every lawmaker except for
Rep. Barbara Lee , D-Calif. The bill created the justification for the forever wars that
still rage on 17 years later.
And steadily, all of the counterinsurgency tactics of these
foreign wars have crept back home, Bernard Harcourt argues in a recent book. Called "The
Counterrevolution: How Our Government Went to War Against Its Own Citizens" and it makes the
argument that through NSA spying; Trump's constant, daily distractions; and paramilitarized
police forces or private security companies, the same counterinsurgency paradigm of warfare
used against post-9/11 enemies has now come to U.S. soil as the effective governing strategy.
We are in the middle of an unprecedented paramilitarization of state and local law
enforcement agencies in this country.
All that said, the subject's personality cannot help shine through anyway. One understands
Berlusconi's original appeal: salesmanship on a massive scale. First as a developer and
salesman in the booming 1970s Italian property market. Then by founding Italy's first private
television stations, circumventing the state ban on private national channels Ride of the
Valkyries . Berlusconi's success as a businessman reflects the materialism and
superficiality characteristic of the postwar democratic West, his power derives from the
masses' bottomless desire for things and for spectacle.
In the 1990s and 2000s, Berlusconi in effect converted his media appeal and economic clout
into political capital. My Way does give a sense of the man's charm, brashness, and
sordid sense of humor. Nonetheless, one can't help laughing at his jokes and enjoying his
company. We see him give a pep talk to his football players. Berlusconi tells a black player
that he would like to meet his wife, because she is so beautiful, adding that he needn't worry
as he's already "too old." He tells a fifty-year-old man that he looks great, adding however
that he still doesn't look as a good as Berlusconi himself. This is funny, but Berlusconi, who
was almost eighty during the interviews, does look like an awful case of plastic surgery.
Berlusconi gives us a tour of his gorgeous villa at Arcore (20 kilometers from Milan),
showing his collection of Renaissance paintings, classical Greco-Roman sculpture (some given to
him by Muamar Gaddafi from Libya), and a whole room of paintings of . . . himself, apparently
given to him over the years by his many admirers. Among these we are shown a heroic painting of
Mussolini, with Berlusconi weakly protesting that this shouldn't be filmed, lest they give the
wrong impression.
Berlusconi is a man who gets what he wants. Call it a weakness for appetite or a strength of
will. In any event, Berlusconi tells Friedman that he has never ever gone to bed with his
often-changing wife/girlfriend without making love to her. So much passion. After having two
children with his first wife (who did not age gracefully), he moved in with and eventually
married Veronica Lario. They stayed together for many years but they eventually divorced and,
in keeping with the modern era of female empowerment, Berlusconi has since 2013 been required
pay her $48 million per year as part of their settlement. Berlusconi's girlfriend since 2012 is
50 years his junior and, for her service, will presumably receive an even bigger payout.
Let no one say that THOT-ery does not pay!
Berlusconi's penchant for girls was part of his undoing in another respect, namely in his
notorious "Bunga Bunga" parties with nubile young women, culminating in the trial alleging that
he had had sex with an underage Moroccan prostitute nicknamed "Ruby Rubacuore" (Ruby
Heartstealer). In the interviews, Berlusconi explains that the term "Bunga Bunga" comes from a
sex joke involving an African tribe . . . on which I will say nothing other than I was
astonished to hear it because it was also popular in the high school I frequented.
My Way , while an hour and thirty-eight minutes long, does not tell you all that much
about Berlusconi's politics. Besides his changing of Italian laws so as to escape prosecution
for various misdeeds, the little that is said largely speaks in his favor. He is extremely
proud of having hosted a NATO summit near Rome in 2002, at which Berlusconi, U.S. President
George W. Bush, and Russian President Vladimir Putin really hit it off. Berlusconi goes so far
as to claim that his summit "ended the Cold War," which is the usual hyperbolic salesman-speak,
much like Trump's perennial "tremendous." Certainly, this marked a warming of relations between
Moscow and Washington after the disagreements over the Kosovo War. On the substance, one can
only welcome attempts to bring peace and good relations among Europe, America, and Russia,
which have so often been needlessly in conflict.
Loro & My Way, by Guillaume Durocher -
The Unz Review
In the interviews, Berlusconi makes the case against the Iraq War and against the Libya War.
In both cases he argues, as a good realist, that you need a strong leader, in effect a
dictator, to maintain order in these multiethnic countries. To bring "democracy" would mean
only chaos. Berlusconi notes that Iraq is made up of three antagonistic ethno-religious groups
and that Libya is made up of some 105 tribes, who had regularly declared Gaddafi "King of
Kings." Since the dictators are gone, these Arab nations have known only civil war . . . an
impotence which naturally great benefits Israel, has allowed the foundation of the Islamic
State, and harmed Europe by sparking massive Afro-Islamic migration. The fall of Gaddafi's
dictatorship also led the spread of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), which captured
Timbuktu in 2012, destroying some of that city's ancient shrines and mausoleums, one of the few
examples of indigenous Sub-Saharan African architectural heritage.
Berlusconi expresses the basic truth: multicultural societies are not compatible with
democracy or, to put it more positively, with civic politics in general. There can be no
solidarity without identity. Given this fact, the multiculturalists and immigrationists are
digging the grave of liberal democracy, and in their ignorance and delusion, are preparing the
way for new regimes. Let us hope that these will be indeed more coherent and honest forms of
government.
I do not know if Berlusconi actually privately opposed the Iraq invasion in 2003. In any
event, once Bush got on his way, Italy did send troops there. On Libya, Berlusconi was
outmaneuvered by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, whom Friedman accurately describes as
fomenting a war to boost his flagging approval ratings and distract from his lackluster
economic performance.
We then move to the eurozone crisis in 2011. In this instance, the Great European Ponzi
Scheme of malinvestment in southern European property and debt, collapsed, threatening the
whole continent's banking sector. Friedman does not give the watcher any good idea of why all
this was occurring. He does explicitly show, based primarily on U.S. Secretary of the Treasury
Timothy Geithner's testimony, that Berlusconi was taken out under pressure by Sarkozy and
German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who blamed Italy's lack of "reforms" for the eurozone's ills.
The European Central Bank also threatened to let Italy go bankrupt unless Rome towed the
line.
Berlusconi was toppled and Mario Monti, a former EU commissioner and Goldman Sachs banker,
was parachuted in,
on the recommendation of George Soros , no less. I for one don't think that rule by a
small, rootless, international clique tends to be very stable. Monti proved monstrously
unpopular and was kicked out of office within two years. The Italians have since responded to
EU diktats by electing anti-Brussels populists of various stripes.
Loro & My Way, by
Guillaume Durocher - The Unz Review
Friedman interviewed a number of people in making his documentary. These include a (probably
rightly) indignant Italian prosecutor, a colorless Italian journalist, a former Spanish prime
minister, a former EU president, and even Putin himself. Not a whole lot of light comes out of
all of this. Strikingly, Berlusconi emerges as if anything the most likable character among the
whole motley crew of people interviewed, at that is saying something. Despite his more-or-less
hostile narration, the interviewer Friedman is shown constantly being friendly and making
ingratiating smiles with Berlusconi, only to dump him at the end of the film, saying "and I
never saw him again" with a credit role showcasing Berlusconi and his associates' various
convictions.
On Berlusconi the talented and opportunist politician, I can add the following which was not
mentioned in the documentary. He knew how to make the difficult deals to form Italy's
notoriously-unstable coalition governments, starting in 1994, with a short-lived alliance with
the regionalist Lega Nord and post-fascist National Alliance (who hated each other, essentially
over the Southern Question). He knew how to compaign for what the people wanted. His famous
2001 "Contract with the Italians" promised less and simpler taxes, infrastructure, more jobs,
more pensions, more police, and less politicians. Of course, he rarely delivered. In 2006,
constitutional reforms proposed by Berlusconi would have strengthened the prime minister and
devolved more powers to Italy's regions, but this was rejected by referendum.
The Italian journalist in the documentary points out that Berlusconi never did the "reforms"
necessary to save the economy, as he did not want to upset his electorate or his coalition
partners. In short, for all the kvetching, Berlusconi was too much of a democrat to get much
done.
Berlusconi was however decidedly anti-leftist. He wanted to reform the constitution because
it had been co-drafted by the "Soviets" (as a matter of fact, communist and Marxist parties
made up about 40% of the 1946 Constituent Assembly and to this day Italy's official emblem looks
communist ). When facing Romano Prodi's left-wing coalition "the Union" in the mid-2000s,
Berlusconi nicknamed it "the Soviet Union." Unlike in France or Germany, Italy had no
taboo on the center-right, including Berlusconi, making alliances with nationalist and
sometimes even neofascist parties. He was born in 1936 in what was then the Kingdom of Italy,
well into the second decade of Fascist government.
At a holocaust remembrance ceremony in 2013, Berlusconi argued that Mussolini's Fascist
government did many good things , all the while lamenting the alliance with the Third Reich
and participation in the holocaust (specifically, the deportation of Jews, although in fact the
survival rate for Italian Jews was among the highest in Europe and these deportations only
began after Germany had created their own puppet government in northern Italy, nominally led by
Mussolini). As a matter of fact, many figures as diverse as Ezra Pound, Charles de Gaulle, and
Richard
Coudenhove-Kalergi admired Italian Fascism's political stability and ability to promote
communitarian values stressing individual self-sacrifice for the common good. All this may
not be understood today however.
In the end, Berlusconi achieved little politically. He maintained good relations with
Russia, America, Israel, and Libya, the latter being of particular value in containing the
ever-rising tied of African illegal immigration. He had excellent instincts in general. But,
ultimately, he was merely an end in himself, masculinity without purpose.
Salvini's party has eclipsed that of Berlusconi
With the declining influence of the mainstream media and the ability of outsiders to appeal
directly to the masses through social media, we will no doubt see the rise of many more
populists movements of both left and right. Happily, in Italy itself, Berlusconian populism has
given way to that of Matteo Salvini ,
who while something an opportunist himself (like all electoral politicians, I am tempted to
add), is saying and doing many of the right things on immigration and demography . . . and is
getting even more popular as a result.
The opportunity here is in overthrowing an emotionally stunted and ideologically incoherent
establishment, which is destroying Western civilization based on a fundamentally incorrect
understanding of human nature. The risk is that we fall into mere demotism, with governments
mindlessly following the fluctuations of the debased desires and prejudices of public opinion,
which would certainly not be optimal either. From this, there will be more electoral demand for
economically unsustainable left-wing economic policies, and for environmentally damaging
right-wing policies. Neither is desirable, I do not rejoice at Trump's blowing up of America's
hills for coal and gas or Bolsonaro's proposals to further cut down the rain forests.
But this is what democracy means! This is the ineluctable product of the hegemonic
"anti-fascism" and rejection of all authority since 1945! To those who are upset with the
careers of Berlusconi, Trump, and Bolsonaro, I am tempted to quote Gladiator : "Are you
not entertained!? Is this not why you are here!?"
Loro & My Way, by Guillaume Durocher -
The Unz Review
Western men and women can no longer understand the ancient notion of justice: that justice
is a right hierarchy. Obviously, there can be no hierarchy or justice among "equals," for whom
anyone's claim to superiority is necessarily presumptuous arrogance. Westerners today are not
ready to hear or understand these truths. In the natural course of events, things must
necessarily get worse before human beings realize that they are doing or thinking something
wrong, and correct course. This takes time. Things certainly are not bad enough yet. We are far
too comfy.
In the meantime, we will see not only more Berlusconis, but many more Trumps, Bolsonaros,
Orbáns , and
Salvinis in the future, as well as Corbyns and Grillos. Loro & My Way, by Guillaume
Durocher - The Unz Review
you also have to live in the country you talk about, or be on close terms with someone
objective who is really friendly to you and lives there, before confidently drawing judgments
on politicians (or writers, or anybody).
Because interests, ego-interests and career interests, cloud reports and opinions.
In the specific, verbally and culturally assaulting Berlusconi during the time of his
being influential and charismatic was the national (and European) sport for the "if Trump
wins I leave the USA, no longer feeling safe" types -- from Organized Press and TV
"journalists" and "film-makers" to "poets", "singers', "thinkers", and, well, every sort of
"influencer".
The same mechanics at play with Trump in the USA.
He was not superficial and initially got elected with programs and projects ahead of the
time for Italy, meeting the opposition (on top of the Left, as said) of his allies, who were
aggrieved by his overwhelming popularity.
He was no Orban no Haider no Le Pen no Farage. The closest comparison is with Trump but he
was no Trump either.
Among other things, he was always pushing to abridge the gap between Italy and those few
countries ahead of it (very few, but stably ahead) -- thus drawing upon himself the ire of
those countries' establishment.
He pursued independence from European élites, and the USA, in foreign politics and
economic governance, as well as efonomically strategical "friendships" with Russia-Putin and
Libya-Ghaddafi.
Such independence was no longer tolerated when, in the mid-00s, the Financial Times &
Goldman Sachs folks gained greater than ever control on exactly foreign policy of European
countries and economic policy.
"The Markets" suddenly stopped trusting Italy's trustwhortiness amd ability to honour its
debts; the "International Press" went on describing financial instability and dire prospects
for Italy full-time, as they do when there's an end to achieve (and to be achieved
shortly).
Interest rates that had to be paid to creditors and people who's buy state debt soared
above any reasonable height, forcing the government's lapse.
Mario Monti, an economist who had served in the ranks of Goldman Sachs, and an
international-élite member, was made President upon, very clearly, orders from
abroad.
Suddenly The Markets and the International Press went back to finding Italy's finances and
financial prospects healthy, debt rates went back to their normal.
In 2018, after some years an independent goverment is elected again (Salvini-Di Maio), and
again you have the EU's economy chiefs, the Press that Matters, the Markets, the USA rating
agencies, all worried about Italy's financial conditions. And again this makes debt rates on
issued state bonds soar.
It happens whenever elected politicians show lack of obedience -- especially if they fail
to harass Putin, has Berlusconi then, and Salvini & Di Maio now, failed and fail to.
It happens whenever elected politicians show lack of obedience -- especially if they
fail to harass Putin, has Berlusconi then, and Salvini & Di Maio now, failed and fail
to.
Yup. The bond-ratings agencies are nothing but a tool of the globalist debt-vultures on
Wall Street. The whole ratings system is a total scam.
[Friedman] does explicitly show, based primarily on U.S. Secretary of the Treasury
Timothy Geithner's testimony, that Berlusconi was taken out under pressure by Sarkozy and
German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who blamed Italy's lack of "reforms" for the eurozone's
ills. The European Central Bank also threatened to let Italy go bankrupt unless Rome towed
the line.
I heard a slightly different version of the story. I heard that Berlusconi was pushed out
of office when he threatened to retaliate against Berlin/Brussels by dropping the euro:
In any case, it's a real delight having Guillaume Durocher here at Unz.com. I had never
heard of him before, but I have so far enjoyed all of his articles. It's always good to get a
European droite nouvelle perspective on politics.
@Digital
Samizdat Thanks for your comment! Indeed Italy is perhaps the country for which the euro
is the worst fit. I can imagine business circles around Berlusconi being tempted to get out..
The story of AC Milan, mentioned only in passing here, is instructive: he doesn't know when
to walk away. This can be viewed as positive (tenacity!) or negative (blatant egotism!), but
the fact is his inability to let go means his hand gets forced and in the case of both Italy
and Milan, everybody ends up with a completely crap deal.
In the meantime, we will see not only more Berlusconis, but many more Trumps,
Bolsonaros, Orbáns, and Salvinis in the future, as well as Corbyns and
Grillos.
Let's be absolutely clear about this. Corbyn is no populist. He has little empathy for the
white working class and is in favour of large 3rd World immigration. In fact, Durocher's case
for Left Wing Populism does not stand up to any form of scrutiny. To paraphrase the
dramatist, the mainstream and far left want to dissolve the people and elect a new one. More
and more immigration, they believe, will result in more and more people reliant on welfare.
These people, when enfranchised, will vote for the parties of welfare – the Left. The
Left will be in power forever, so they believe. Given their vested interest, they are
inherently anti-Populist.
From this, there will be more electoral demand for economically unsustainable
left-wing economic policies, and for environmentally damaging right-wing policies. Neither
is desirable, I do not rejoice at Trump's blowing up of America's hills for coal and gas or
Bolsonaro's proposals to further cut down the rain forests.
The population of the US and Brazil 100 years ago was a fraction of what it is now. In
1917 the US population was about 80 million. Now it is 327 million, a 4-fold increase.
Environmental degradation is logical outcome of large and sudden increase in population,
especially in small areas.
It is even more marked in countries like China and North Korea where there is no democracy at
all.
It has little to do with "demotism" or "right-wing policies."
Large scale industrialisation is also associated with environmental degradation. Yet in
Western Europe and North America, in the last 60 years, air, land and water pollution has
been drastically reduced. In the early 1950s, thousands died of respiratory diseases due to
urban smog – the London Pea Souper being the most notorious. These are now just a
memory.
By contrast, countries like India and China have trouble even supplying the population with
clean water. Many millions of Chinese have tap water with toxic levels of heavy metals and
other pollutants. The resultant deaths also run into the millions.
Mr Durocher seems to have a talent for deducing the wrong inference.
Paolo Sorrentino's Il Divo about Italian PM Giulio Andreotti who was actually convicted of
ordering the murder of a journalist (although that was by the same prosecutors' office that
convicted Amanda Knox).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulio_Andreotti
A joke about Andreotti (originally seen in a strip by Stefano Disegni and Massimo Caviglia)
had him receiving a phone call from a fellow party member, who pleaded with him to attend
judge Giovanni Falcone's funeral. His friend supposedly begged, "The State must give an
answer to the Mafia, and you are one of the top authorities in it!" To which a puzzled
Andreotti asked, "Which one do you mean?"
1990 Andreotti was involved in getting all parties to agree to a binding timetable for
the Maastricht Treaty. The deep Economic and Monetary Union of the European Union favoured
by Italy was opposed by Britain's Margaret Thatcher, who wanted a system of competition
between currencies. Germany had doubts about committing to the project without requiring
economic reforms from Italy, which was seen as having various imbalances. As President of
the European Council, Andreotti co-opted Germany by making admittance to the single market
automatic once the criteria had been met, and committing to a rigorous overhaul of Italian
public finances. Critics later questioned Andreotti's understanding of the obligation, or
whether he had ever intended to fulfill it.[50][51]
Italians are taking the French banks that made bad loans to it, and Germany that backs
those loans to prop up the EU single market (Mutualisation), for yet another ride. Macron was
elected as the banks' mutualisation man to making French toxic loans something Germany will
stand behind. Italy is the third largest economy in Europe and too big to fail and they know
it. Technocrat Mario Monti was the bankers' man to reduce Italy's live now pay never
lifestyle , but Italy knew it had a much stronger hand to play and so they elected a
populist. The Germans are going to be squeezed till the pips squeak.
says: November 24, 2018 at 5:38 pm
GMT 100 Words @Big Bill They fought that it
was Russia, that was holding them back, and by separating they could quickly achieve Western
European standard of living. The first guy to become president of independent Ukraine promised
people that they were going to "live like France" .in 5 years (!). lol
So their plan was something like this:
step 1: Separate from Russia.
step 2:
step 3: France
Lately, they began to think that the Ukraine's path to prosperity goes through EU
membership, hence popular support for Euromaidan, and you know the results Phanar Phantom
You're full of shit what the heck do you know about industry you useless little fart ?
are you an industrial engineer do you have any technical qualifications whatsoever or do
you just pull buzzwords like 'marketable skills' out your wazoo, as needed ?
Your industries are worth ZERO, if you're unable to sell your products, and the Ukraine
struggled to sell its manufactured goods after 1991. Its traditional customer – Russia
began to import Western goods.
You sound like Martyanov. lol It doesn't take any "special qualification" to figure out
that Soviet-era factories were churning out worthless crap – there is a reason why that
system fell apart, you know.
@Felix
Keverich Thanks for confirming that you have zero credentials in any technical field yet
you are somehow posing as someone qualified to talk about industry
Glad you are blocking me you little worm the Ostrich response do you cover your eyes and
ears when your teacher or parent [or caregiver, since you are obviously retarded] says
something that is true but which you don't want to hear ?
As for Soviet era factories churning out 'worthless crap' that would include the world's
best rocket engines, decades ahead of the west's technology ?
@Felix
Keverich Liberast opinion. People with this views destroyed the country, caused massive
displacement and demographic and social catastrophes. People with your views should not be
allowed to the levers of power for the distance of avangard shot. If to follow your logic USA
and China must dismantle and sell as scrap metal their MIC as they both clearly cannot
compete with Russian MIC. National manufacturing of everything is not about competition. It
is about souverenity in everything and national capability to provide own population both
with goods and means to make a living via manufacturing of everything needed. Current
situation with so much of everything made in China is an abomination that hurts too much
people around the globe. People with your views in Russia should be purged and preferably
executed for crimes against former Soviet people.
I find it strange that shamir who professes communist views is paying so much attention to
this basically religious spat about power and money. Wasn't it once th as t that religion is
opium for masses. It is here to keep population down so that it is easily fleeced by thieves.
The only value for Russia in orthodoxy at the moment is that the country completely devote of
ideology as per constitution there must be something to hold people together and give some
meaning to their existence.
Trump is a puppet of military industrial complex (and Israel is just a lobbyist for the US military industrial complex,
nothing more nothing less). Now there is no questions about Trump's betrayal of his voters which is even more brazen then Obama
betrayal.
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I remember Chalmers Johnson once
describing to me his surprise on discovering that, after the Cold War ended and the Soviet
Union imploded, the whole global military structure that Washington had set up -- which he
later came to call "
America's empire of bases " or our "globe-girdling Baseworld" -- chugged right on.
It didn't matter that there was no real enemy left on Planet Earth. It was, I believe, what
finally convinced Johnson that this country was indeed an empire. And here's the strange thing,
though it goes remarkably unnoticed in our world: that vast global structure of military
garrisons, unprecedented in history, ranging from some the size of American towns to small
outposts, has remained in place to this very second. Though little attention has been paid in
recent years -- despite the fact that it couldn't be a more prominent feature on this planet,
geo-militarily speaking -- there remain something like 800 American
garrisons worldwide (not counting, of course, the more than 420
military bases located in the continental U.S., Guam, and Puerto Rico), as David Vine reported
in his path-breaking 2015 book, Base Nation
.
There's never been anything quite like it, not for the Roman Empire, the British Empire,
or the Soviet one either. And as TomDispatch regular and U.S. Army Major Danny Sjursen reports today, with our
military now in the process of transforming the whole planet into an even more militarized
place, those bases will be all the more relevant. So here's a small suggestion for all the
media outlets
covering President Trump in such a 24/7 fashion: Why not spare just one reporter to cover
that empire of bases on a planet on which, as Sjursen reports, the U.S. military is
increasingly focused on future wars of every imaginable sort (right up to the sort that
could leave this planet in shreds)? Tom
Planet of War:
Still Trapped in a Greater Middle Eastern Quagmire, the U.S. Military Prepares for Global
Combat
By Danny
Sjursen
American militarism has gone off the rails -- and this middling career officer should have
seen it coming. Earlier in this century, the U.S. military not surprisingly focused on
counterinsurgency as it faced various
indecisive and seemingly unending wars across the Greater Middle East and parts of Africa.
Back in 2008, when I was still a captain newly returned from Iraq and studying at Fort Knox,
Kentucky, our training scenarios generally focused on urban combat and what were called
security and stabilization missions. We'd plan to assault some notional city center, destroy
the enemy fighters there, and then transition to pacification and "humanitarian"
operations.
Of course, no one then asked about the dubious efficacy of "regime change" and "nation
building," the two activities in which our country had been so regularly engaged. That would
have been frowned upon. Still, however bloody and wasteful those wars were, they now look
like relics from a remarkably simpler time. The U.S. Army knew its mission then (even if it
couldn't accomplish it) and could predict what each of us young officers was about to take
another crack at: counterinsurgency in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Fast forward eight years -- during which this author fruitlessly toiled away in
Afghanistan and taught at West Point -- and the U.S. military ground presence has
significantly decreased in the Greater Middle East, even if its wars there remain "
infinite ." The U.S. was still bombing, raiding, and "advising" away in several of
those old haunts as I entered the Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth,
Kansas. Nonetheless, when I first became involved in the primary staff officer training
course for mid-level careerists there in 2016, it soon became apparent to me that something
was indeed changing.
Our training scenarios were no longer limited to counterinsurgency operations. Now, we
were planning for possible deployments to -- and high-intensity conventional warfare in --
the Caucasus, the Baltic Sea region, and the South China Sea (think: Russia and China). We
were also planning for conflicts against an Iranian-style "rogue" regime (think: well, Iran).
The missions became all about projecting U.S. Army divisions into distant regions to fight
major wars to "liberate" territories and bolster allies.
One thing soon became clear to me in my new digs: much had changed. The U.S. military had,
in fact, gone global in a big way. Frustrated by its inability to close the deal on any of
the indecisive counterterror wars of this century, Washington had decided it was time to
prepare for "real" war with a host of imagined enemies. This process had, in fact, been
developing right under our noses for quite a while. You remember in 2013 when President Obama
and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton began talking about a " pivot " to Asia -- an
obvious attempt to contain China. Obama also sanctioned
Moscow and further militarized
Europe in response to Russian aggression in Ukraine and the Crimea. President Trump, whose "
instincts ," on the campaign trail, were to pull out of America's Middle Eastern
quagmires, turned out to be ready to escalate tensions with China, Russia, Iran, and even
(for a while) North Korea.
With Pentagon budgets reaching record levels
-- some $717 billion for 2019 -- Washington has stayed the course, while beginning to plan
for more expansive future conflicts across the globe. Today, not a single square inch of this
ever-
warming planet of ours escapes the reach of U.S. militarization.
Think of these developments as establishing a potential formula for perpetual conflict
that just might lead the United States into a truly
cataclysmic war it neither needs nor can meaningfully win. With that in mind, here's a
little tour of Planet Earth as the U.S. military now imagines it.
Our Old Stomping Grounds: Forever War in the Middle East and Africa
Never apt to quit, even after 17 years of failure, Washington's bipartisan military
machine still churns along in the Greater Middle East. Some 14,500 U.S. troops remain in
Afghanistan (along with much U.S. air power) though that war is
failing by just about any measurable metric you care to choose -- and Americans are still
dying there, even if in diminished numbers.
In Syria, U.S. forces remain trapped between hostile powers,
one mistake away from a possible outbreak of hostilities with Russia, Iran, Syrian President
Assad, or even NATO ally Turkey. While American troops (and air power) in Iraq helped destroy
ISIS's physical "caliphate," they remain entangled there in a low-level guerrilla struggle in
a country seemingly incapable of forming a stable
political consensus. In other words, as yet there's no end in sight for that now
15-year-old war. Add in the drone strikes, conventional air attacks, and special forces raids
that Washington regularly unleashes in Somalia, Libya, Yemen, and Pakistan, and it's clear
that the U.S. military's hands remain more than full in the region.
If anything, the tensions -- and potential for escalation -- in the Greater Middle East
and North Africa are only worsening. President Trump ditched
President Obama's Iran nuclear deal and, despite the recent drama over the
murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, has gleefully backed the Saudi royals in
their arms race and cold war with Iran. While the other major players in that nuclear pact
remained on board, President Trump has appointed unreformed Iranophobe neocons like John
Bolton and Mike Pompeo to key foreign policy positions and his administration still threatens
regime change in Tehran.
In Africa, despite talk about downsizing the U.S. presence there, the military advisory
mission has only increased
its various commitments, backing questionably legitimate governments against local opposition
forces and destabilizing further an already unstable continent. You might think that waging
war for two decades on two continents would at least keep the Pentagon busy and temper
Washington's desire for further confrontations. As it happens, the opposite is proving to be
the case.
Poking the Bear: Encircling Russia and Kicking Off a New Cold War
Vladimir Putin's Russia is increasingly autocratic and has shown a propensity for
localized aggression in its sphere of influence. Still, it would be better not to exaggerate
the threat. Russia did annex the Crimea, but the people of that province were
Russians and desired such a reunification. It intervened in a Ukrainian civil war,
but Washington was also
complicit in the coup that kicked off that drama. Besides, all of this unfolded in
Russia's neighborhood as the U.S. military increasingly
deploys its forces up to the very borders of the Russian Federation. Imagine the hysteria
in Washington if Russia were deploying troops and advisers in Mexico or the Caribbean.
To put all of this in perspective, Washington and its military machine actually prefer
facing off against Russia. It's a fight the armed forces still remain comfortable with. After
all, that's what its top commanders were trained for during the tail end of an almost
half-century-long Cold War. Counterinsurgency is frustrating and indecisive. The prospect of
preparing for "real war" against the good old Russians with tanks, planes, and artillery --
now, that's what the military was built for!
And despite all the over-hyped talk about Donald Trump's complicity with Russia, under
him, the Obama-era military escalation in Europe has only expanded. Back when I was toiling
hopelessly in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. Army was actually removing combat brigades from
Germany and stationing them back on U.S. soil (when, of course, they weren't off fighting
somewhere in the Greater Middle East). Then, in the late Obama years, the military began
returning those forces to Europe and stationing
them in the Baltic, Poland, Romania, and other countries increasingly near to Russia. That's
never ended and, this year, the U.S. Air Force has
delivered its largest shipment of ordnance to Europe since the Cold War.
Make no mistake: war with Russia would be an unnecessary disaster -- and it could go
nuclear. Is Latvia really worth that risk?
From a Russian perspective, of course, it's Washington and its expansion of the (by
definition) anti-Russian NATO alliance into Eastern Europe that constitutes the real
aggression in the region -- and Putin may have a point there. What's more, an honest
assessment of the situation suggests that Russia, a country whose economy is about the
size
of Spain's, has neither the will nor the capacity to invade Central Europe. Even in the bad
old days of the Cold War, as we now know from Soviet archives, European
conquest was never on Moscow's agenda. It still isn't.
Nonetheless, the U.S. military goes on preparing for what Marine Corps Commandant General
Robert Neller, addressing some of his forces in Norway, claimed was a "
big fight " to come. If it isn't careful, Washington just might get the war it seems to
want and the one that no one in Europe or the rest of this planet needs.
Challenging the Dragon: The Futile Quest for Hegemony in Asia
The United States Navy has long treated the world's oceans as if they were American lakes.
Washington extends no such courtesy to other great powers or nation-states. Only now, the
U.S. Navy finally faces some challenges abroad -- especially in the Western Pacific. A rising
China, with a swiftly growing economy and carrying grievances from a long history of European
imperial domination, has had the audacity to
assert itself in the South China Sea. In response, Washington has reacted with panic and
bellicosity.
Never mind that the South China Sea is Beijing's Caribbean (a place where Washington long
felt it had the right to do anything it wanted militarily). Heck, the South China Sea has
China in its name! The U.S. military now claims -- with just enough truth to
convince the uninformed -- that China's growing navy is out for Pacific, if not global,
dominance. Sure, at the moment China has only
two aircraft carriers, one an
old rehab (though it is building more) compared to the U.S. Navy's 11 full-sized and
nine
smaller carriers. And yes, China hasn't actually attacked any of its neighbors yet.
Still, the American people are told that their military must prepare for possible future war
with the most populous nation on the planet.
In that
spirit, it has been forward deploying yet more ships, Marines, and troops to the Pacific Rim
surrounding China. Thousands of Marines are now
stationed in Northern Australia; U.S. warships cruise the South Pacific; and Washington
has sent mixed
signals regarding its military commitments to Taiwan. Even the Indian Ocean has recently
come to be seen as a possible future battleground with China, as the U.S. Navy increases its
regional patrols there and Washington negotiates
stronger military ties with China's rising neighbor, India. In a symbolic gesture, the
military recently
renamed its former Pacific Command (PACOM) the Indo-Pacific Command (INDOPACOM).
Unsurprisingly, China's military high command has escalated accordingly. They've
advised their South China Sea Command to prepare for war, made their own set of
provocative gestures in the South China Sea, and also
threatened to invade Taiwan should the Trump administration change America's longstanding
"One China" policy.
From the Chinese point of view, all of this couldn't be more logical, given that President
Trump has also unleashed a "
trade war " on Beijing's markets and intensified his anti-China rhetoric. And all of this
is, in turn, consistent with the Pentagon's increasing militarization of the entire
globe.
No Land Too Distant
Would that it were only Africa, Asia, and Europe that Washington had chosen to militarize.
But as Dr. Seuss might have said : that is not all, oh no, that is not
all. In fact, more or less every square inch of our spinning planet not already occupied by a
rival state has been deemed a militarized space to be contested. The U.S. has long been
unique in the way it divided the entire surface of the globe into geographical (combatant)
commands presided over
by generals and admirals who functionally serve as regional Roman-style proconsuls.
And the Trump years are only accentuating this phenomenon. Take Latin America, which might
normally be considered a non-threatening space for the U.S., though it is already under the
gaze of U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM). Recently, however, having already threatened to "
invade
" Venezuela, President Trump spent the election campaign rousing his base on the claim that a
desperate caravan of Central American refugees -- hailing from countries the U.S. had a
significant
responsibility for destabilizing in the first place -- was a literal "
invasion " and so yet another military problem. As such, he
ordered more than 5,000 troops (more than currently serve in Syria or Iraq) to the
U.S.-Mexico border.
Though he is not the first to
try to do so, he has also sought to
militarize space and so create a possible fifth branch of the U.S. military, tentatively
known as
the Space Force . It makes sense. War has long been three dimensional, so why not bring
U.S. militarism into the stratosphere, even as the U.S. Army is
evidently training and preparing for a new cold war (no pun intended) with that
ever-ready adversary, Russia, around the Arctic Circle.
If the world as we know it is going to end, it will either be thanks to the long-term
threat of climate change or an absurd nuclear war. In both cases, Washington has been upping
the ante and doubling down. On climate change, of course, the Trump administration seems
intent on loading the atmosphere with ever more greenhouse gases. When it comes to nukes,
rather than admit that they are unusable and seek to further downsize the bloated U.S. and
Russian arsenals, that administration, like Obama's, has committed itself to the
investment of what could, in the end, be at least $1.6 trillion over three decades for
the full-scale "modernization" of that arsenal. Any faintly rational set of actors would long
ago have accepted that nuclear war is unwinnable and a formula for mass human extinction. As
it happens, though, we're not dealing with rational actors but with a defense establishment
that considers it a prudent move to
withdraw from the Cold War era Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty with Russia.
And that ends our tour of the U.S. military's version of Planet Earth.
It is often said that, in an Orwellian sense, every nation needs an enemy to unite and
discipline its population. Still, the U.S. must stand alone in history as the only country to
militarize the whole globe (with space thrown in) in preparation for taking on just about
anyone. Now, that's exceptional.
The United States has been at war every day since its founding, often covertly and often in
several parts of the world at once. As ghastly as that sentence is, it still does not capture
the full picture. Indeed, prior to its founding, what would become the United States
was engaged -- as it would continue to be for more than a century following -- in internal
warfare to piece together its continental territory. Even during the Civil War, both the Union
and Confederate armies continued to war against the nations of the Diné and Apache, the
Cheyenne and the Dakota, inflicting hideous massacres upon civilians and forcing their
relocations. Yet when considering the history of U.S. imperialism and militarism, few
historians trace their genesis to this period of internal empire-building. They should. The
origin of the United States in settler colonialism -- as an empire born from the violent
acquisition of indigenous lands and the ruthless devaluation of indigenous lives -- lends the
country unique characteristics that matter when considering questions of how to unhitch its
future from its violent DNA.
The United States is not exceptional in the amount of violence or bloodshed when compared to
colonial conquests in Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, and South America. Elimination of the native
is implicit in settler colonialism and colonial projects in which large swaths of land and
workforces are sought for commercial exploitation. Extreme violence against noncombatants was a
defining characteristic of all European colonialism, often with genocidal results.
The privatization of land is at the core of the U.S. experiment, and its military powerhouse
was born to expropriate resources. Apt, then, that we once again have a real estate man for
president.
Rather, what distinguishes the United States is the triumphal mythology attached to that
violence and its political uses, even to this day. The post–9/11 external and
internal U.S. war against Muslims-as-"barbarians" finds its prefiguration in the "savage wars"
of the American colonies and the early U.S. state against Native Americans. And when there
were, in effect, no Native Americans left to fight, the practice of "savage wars" remained. In
the twentieth century, well before the War on Terror, the United States carried out large-scale
warfare in the Philippines, Europe, Korea, and Vietnam; prolonged invasions and occupations in
Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic; and counterinsurgencies in Columbia and
Southern Africa. In all instances, the United States has perceived itself to be pitted in war
against savage forces.
Appropriating the land from its stewards was racialized war from the first British
settlement in Jamestown, pitting "civilization" against "savagery." Through this pursuit, the
U.S. military gained its unique character as a force with mastery in "irregular" warfare. In spite of this, most military historians pay little attention to
the so-called Indian Wars from 1607 to 1890, as well as the 1846–48 invasion and
occupation of Mexico. Yet it was during the nearly two centuries of British colonization of
North America that generations of settlers gained experience as "Indian fighters" outside any
organized military institution. While large, highly regimented "regular" armies fought over
geopolitical goals in Europe, Anglo settlers in North America waged deadly irregular warfare
against the continent's indigenous nations to seize their land, resources, and roads, driving
them westward and eventually forcibly relocating them west of the Mississippi. Even following
the founding of the professional U.S. Army in the 1810s, irregular warfare was the method of
the U.S. conquest of the Ohio Valley, Great Lakes, Southeast, and Mississippi Valley regions,
then west of the Mississippi to the Pacific, including taking half of Mexico. Since that time,
irregular methods have been used in tandem with operations of regular armed forces and are,
perhaps, what most marks U.S. armed forces as different from other armies of global powers.
By the presidency of Andrew Jackson (1829–37), whose lust for displacing and killing
Native Americans was unparalleled, the character of the U.S. armed forces had come, in the
national imaginary, to be deeply entangled with the mystique of indigenous nations -- as
though, in adopting the practices of irregular warfare, U.S. soldiers had become the very thing
they were fighting. This persona involved a certain identification with the Native enemy,
marking the settler as Native American rather than European. This was part of the sleight of
hand by which U.S. Americans came to genuinely believe that they had a rightful claim to the
continent: they had fought for it and "become" its indigenous inhabitants.
Irregular military techniques that were perfected while expropriating Native American lands
were then applied to fighting the Mexican Republic. At the time of its independence from Spain
in 1821, the territory of Mexico included what is now the states of California, New Mexico,
Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, and Texas. Upon independence, Mexico continued the practice of
allowing non-Mexicans to acquire large swaths of land for development under land grants, with
the assumption that this would also mean the welcome eradication of indigenous peoples. By 1836
nearly 40,000 Americans, nearly all slavers (and not counting the enslaved), had moved to
Mexican Texas. Their ranger militias were a part of the settlement, and in 1835 became formally
institutionalized as the Texas Rangers. Their principal state-sponsored task was the
eradication of the Comanche nation and all other Native peoples in Texas. Mounted and armed
with the new killing machine, the five-shot Colt Paterson revolver, they did so with dedicated
precision.
Having perfected their art in counterinsurgency operations against Comanches and other
Native communities, the Texas Rangers went on to play a significant role in the U.S. invasion
of Mexico. As seasoned counterinsurgents, they guided U.S. Army forces deep into Mexico,
engaging in the Battle of Monterrey. Rangers also accompanied General Winfield Scott's army and
the Marines by sea, landing in Vera Cruz and mounting a siege of Mexico's main commercial port
city. They then marched on, leaving a path of civilian corpses and destruction, to occupy
Mexico City, where the citizens called them Texas Devils. In defeat and under military
occupation, Mexico ceded the northern half of its territory to the United States, and Texas
became a state in 1845. Soon after, in 1860, Texas seceded, contributing its Rangers to the
Confederate cause. After the Civil War, the Texas Rangers picked up where they had left off,
pursuing counterinsurgency against both remaining Native communities and resistant
Mexicans.
The Marines also trace half of their mythological origins to the invasion of Mexico that
nearly completed the continental United States. The opening lyric of the official hymn of the
Marine Corps, composed and adopted in 1847, is "From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of
Tripoli." Tripoli refers to the First Barbary War of 1801–5, when the Marines were
dispatched to North Africa by President Thomas Jefferson to invade the Berber Nation, shelling
the city of Tripoli, taking captives, and blockading key Barbary ports for nearly four years.
The "Hall of Montezuma," though, refers to the invasion of Mexico: while the U.S. Army occupied
what is now California, Arizona, and New Mexico, the Marines invaded by sea and marched to
Mexico City, murdering and torturing civilian resisters along the way.
So what does it matter, for those of us who strive for peace and justice, that the U.S.
military had its start in killing indigenous populations, or that U.S. imperialism has its
roots in the expropriation of indigenous lands?
It matters because it tells us that the privatization of lands and other forms of human
capital are at the core of the U.S. experiment. The militaristic-capitalist powerhouse of the
United States derives from real estate (which includes African bodies, as well as appropriated
land). It is apt that we once again have a real estate man for president, much like the first
president, George Washington, whose fortune came mainly from his success speculating on unceded
Indian lands. The U.S. governmental structure is designed to serve private property interests,
the primary actors in establishing the United States being slavers and land speculators. That
is, the United States was founded as a capitalist empire. This was exceptional in the world and
has remained exceptional, though not in a way that benefits humanity. The military was designed
to expropriate resources, guarding them against loss, and will continue to do so if left to its
own devices under the control of rapacious capitalists.
When extreme white nationalists make themselves visible -- as they have for the past decade,
and now more than ever with a vocal white nationalist president -- they are dismissed as
marginal, rather than being understood as the spiritual descendants of the settlers. White
supremacists are not wrong when they claim that they understand something about the American
Dream that the rest of us do not, though it is nothing to brag about. Indeed, the origins of
the United States are consistent with white nationalist ideology. And this is where those of us
who wish for peace and justice must start: with full awareness that we are trying to
fundamentally change the nature of the country, which will always be extremely difficult
work.
A version of this article originally appeared in the Boston
Review .
That complete misunderstanding the situation. The US officials might resent far right groups
but the goal of encircling of Russia is of paramount importance and outwight all other
considerations. In other word hostile to Russia Ukraine is the greatest US geopolitical victory
after dissolution of the USSR in 1991.
"Last weekend saw Ukraine's biggest Nazi march of modern times. Yet, the Western media and
its numerous correspondents in Kiev completely ignored the story, even on social networks.
On Saturday night, up to 20,000 far-right radicals honored the 75th anniversary of the
Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) – a paramilitary group led by Stepan Bandera, which
actively collaborated with Hitler's Germany. They brandished lit torches, smoke pellets, and
flares as they chanted fascist slogans. And some participants openly gave Nazi salutes during
the rally."
– Viva Kagans clan. Viva the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center; your efforts at
promoting the Nazi revival in Ukraine have been bringing great results, including the "biggest
Nazi march of modern times."
The State Dept. humanitarians, inspired by Clinton, and the totally zionized National
Endowment for Democracy (and other banderite Chalupas) are undoubtedly elated with the
"democracy on the march" in Ukraine (remember the $5 billion spent by the US in Ukraine
to spearhead the regime change in Kiev ) https://www.rt.com/news/444538-five-years-on-from-euromaidan/
"Ukraine is emerging as Europe's poorest country In fact, according to a recent Credit
Suisse report, Ukrainians rank among the world's poorest people , coming a dismal 123rd
out of 140 countries, with the net wealth of the country's citizens lagging behind Bangladesh
and Cameroon. Another recent study by the United Nations Development Program found that,
despite continuing economic growth, 60 percent of Ukrainians live below the poverty line."
American foreign aid is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the
Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (the Symington Amendment) or refuses to abide by
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess
what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American foreign aid.
This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their agents of a foreign
government with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its American
Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) still gets "foreign aid" in contravention of
American law..
There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy wonks.
infecting the U S government who hold dual citizenship with Israel. Such dual citizenship
must be strictly prohibited. Refusal to renounce foreign citizenship should result in
immediate deportation with permanent loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders
of "dual citizenship" should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental
capacity.
In addition, any American citizen who serves or has served in Israel's military (Israel
Defense Forces) should automatically lose their American citizenship and be immediately
deported to Israel.
When Netanyahu addressed both houses of Congress, it was sickening to see our politicians
slobber all over themselves to see who would be the most rabid admirer of that foreign head
of state. The almost constant applause by our Congress was reminiscent of the Soviet
Politburo in which no one wanted to be the last person to stop clapping. Just who do they
work for? Certainly not for the interests of the United States.
Anyone can see that the USA is the only 'real' friend of Israel in the world.
But the USA is not a friend, as I heard long ago a USA politician say on tv, on jews in the
USA 'we do not love them, w're afraid of them'.
Any USA politcian who openly opposes Israel is without a job.
This is, in my opinion, what jewry does not realise, their power over the USA can disappear
overnight, could even become open hatred of jews.
These jewish organisations, with media controlled by jews, and politicians who accept the
inevitable, for money or not for money, just something like the Hoover Dam: one earthquake,
and their power over the USA is gone.
How long jews can maintain their political power, not just in the USA, but in the whole west,
I have no idea, there is not much that points to an important change soon.
However, in many history books one finds sentences as 'and then something happened that
nobody foresaw, but had grave consequences'.
Israel's artificial 'war on terror' in the Middle East, has cost US taxpayers nearly $6 trillion and killed roughly half a million
human beings, and there's still no end in sight. source:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/news
Notable quotes:
"... But just as in the case of FDD, it is time to require AIPAC to register as what it really is: a foreign agent. As a registered agent, it will still be able to exercise First Amendment rights to defend Israel but it would not be able to be involved in lobbying on Capitol Hill and directing money to politicians who are described as pro-Israeli, as it does now. Its finances will be transparent and it will be perceived as an official advocate for Israel, not as an educational resource for what is happening in the Middle East. Hopefully, when AIPAC stops throwing money around, the politicians and media types will find another place to roost. ..."
"... National Security Advisor John Bolton recently received the "Defender of Israel" award from the Zionist Organization of America. ..."
"... one might suggest that the U.S. United Nations delegation, headed by Ambassador Nikki Haley, is directed by the Israeli government, particularly given events of last Friday whereby the U.S. voted against a motion condemning Israel's continued illegal occupation of the Syrian Golan Heights, thereby recognizing for the first time Israel's sovereignty over the area. Whether Haley was speaking for herself or for the administration was characteristically unclear, but it hardly matters ..."
"... Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected] . ..."
"Nikki Haley might be referred to as a useful idiot, as Lenin put it, but her consistent pattern of extreme loyalty in defense
of Israel marks her out as being particularly beholden to the Jewish state ..." Depending on what criteria one uses, there are between
200 and 600 groups in the United States that wholly or in part are dedicated to furthering the interests of Israel. The organizations
are both Jewish, like the Zionist Organization of America, and Christian Zionist to include John Hagee's Christians United for Israel,
but the funding of the Israel Lobby and both its political and media access comes overwhelmingly from Jewish supporters and advocates.
Many of the groups are registered with the Internal Revenue Service for tax purposes as 501(c)3 "educational" or "charitable"
foundations, which enables them to solicit tax exempt donations. One might dispute whether promoting Israeli interests in the United
States is actually educational, but as of right now the Department of the Treasury believes it can be so construed, protected by
the First Amendment.
But there is a more serious consideration in terms of the actual relationships that many of the groups enjoy with the Israeli
government. To be sure, many of them boast on their promotional literature and websites about their relationships with the Benjamin
Netanyahu and his cabinet, so the issue of dual loyalty or, worse, acting as actual Israeli government agents must be considered.
There is a legal remedy to hostile foreigners acting against American interests and that is the Foreign Agents Registration Act
of 1938 (FARA). Originally intended to identify and monitor agents of Nazi Germany propagandizing in the United States, it has since
been applied to individuals and groups linked to other nations. Most recently, it was used against Russian news agencies RT America
and Sputnik, which were forced to register. It is also being considered for Qatar based al-Jazeera.
FARA
requires
identified agents to be transparent in terms of their funding and contacts while also being publicly identified as representing
the interests of a foreign nation. They must report to the Department of Justice every contact they have with congressmen or other
government officials. The text of the Act defines a foreign agent as
"any person who acts as an agent, representative, employee, or servant, or any person who acts in any other capacity at the
order, request, or under the direction or control, of a foreign principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly
or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a foreign principal, and
who directly or through any other person --
(i) engages within the United States in political activities for or in the interests of such foreign principal;
(ii) acts within the United States as a public relations counsel, publicity agent, information-service employee or political
consultant for or in the interests of such foreign principal;
(iii) within the United States solicits, collects, disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other things of
value for or in the interest of such foreign principal; or
(iv) within the United States represents the interests of such foreign principal before any agency or official of the Government
of the United States."
In spite of language that would presumably cover many of the hundreds of Jewish organizations acting for Israel, FARA has never
been used to compel registration of any such groups or individuals even when it was public knowledge that they were working closely
with the Israeli government to coordinate positions and promote other Israeli interests.
That failure is at a minimum a tribute to Jewish power in the United States, but it is also due to the fact that the organizations
are funded from within the United States by wealthy American Jews, not by Israel, which is the argument sometimes inaccurately
made by the groups
themselves
to demonstrate that they are not being directed by the Israeli government.
The difficulty in proving that one is directed by a foreign government has been definitively resolved regarding one group the
Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD), which has become the leading neoconservative bastion seeking a war with Iran, Israel's
bête noir
. The recent al-Jazeera expose on the activities of the Israeli lobbies in both Britain and the United States,
which I wrote about last week
, included a surreptitiously
filmed conversation with Sima Vaknin-Gil, a former Israeli intelligence officer who now heads the Ministry of Strategic Affairs,
which is tasked with countering what is perceived to be anti-Israeli activity worldwide.
The Ministry is particularly focused on the non-violent Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS), which is increasingly
active in both the United States and Europe.
Vaknin-Gil was discussing his activities with Tony Kleinfeld, an undercover investigative reporter who was secretly recording
and filming his encounters with various members of the Israel Lobby as well as of the Israeli government.Vaknin-Gil provided
explicit confirmation
that the FDD
works directly with the Israeli government, making it an Israeli agent by the definition of FARA.
For those who are unfamiliar with FDD, it is probably currently the most prominent neocon organization though it nevertheless
claims to be a non-partisan "research group." It focuses on foreign policy and security issues by "Fighting Terrorism and Promoting
Freedom," as it informs us on its
website
masthead.
It works to "defend free nations against their enemies," which frequently means in practice anyone whom Israel considers to be
hostile, most particularly Iran. FDD's Leadership Council has featured former CIA Director James Woolsey, Senator Joe Lieberman,
and Bill Kristol. Its Executive Director is Canadian import Mark Dubowitz, who is obsessed with Iran. Its advisors and experts are
mostly Jewish and most of its funding comes from Jewish oligarchs.
FDD's auditorium has become a preferred venue for senior officials of the Trump Administration to go and make hardline speeches,
just as the American Enterprise Institute was under George W. Bush. Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton and Nikki Haley have all
spoken there recently, frequently focusing on Iran and the threat that it allegedly constitutes.
FDD aside, Vaknin-Gil
also confirmed
that there were other groups in the United States doing the same sorts of things on behalf of Israel. He said "We have FDD. We
have others working on this," elaborating that FDD is "working on" projects for Israel including "data gathering, information analysis,
working on activist organizations, money trail."
So Vaknin-Gil was admitting that FDD and others were working as Israeli proxies, collecting information on U.S. citizens, spying
on legal organizations, and both planning and executing disinformation at Israeli direction. Kleinfeld also spoke with a Jonathan
Schanzer, a senior official in FDD, who filled in a bit more of what the foundation is up to in terms of discrediting groups in the
U.S. that support the BDS movement.
Schanzer admitted "BDS has taken everybody by surprise" before complaining that the Jewish response has been "a complete mess.
I don't think that anybody's doing a good job. We're not even doing a good job." He then complained that attempts to discredit Palestinian
groups by linking them to terrorist groups had failed, as also had the use of the label anti-Semitism. "Personally I think anti-Semitism
as a smear is not what it used to be."
So, when will the Justice Department move on FDD now that its true colors have been exposed by al-Jazeera? The group must be required
to register if justice be done, but will it? Its principal partner in crime the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
has avoided registering for more than sixty years by claiming that it is an American organization working to educate the U.S. public
about the all the good things connected to Israel. Even though it meets regularly with Israeli government officials, it claims not
to be representing Israeli interests.
But just as in the case of FDD, it is time to require AIPAC to register as what it really is: a foreign agent. As a registered
agent, it will still be able to exercise First Amendment rights to defend Israel but it would not be able to be involved in lobbying
on Capitol Hill and directing money to politicians who are described as pro-Israeli, as it does now. Its finances will be transparent
and it will be perceived as an official advocate for Israel, not as an educational resource for what is happening in the Middle East.
Hopefully, when AIPAC stops throwing money around, the politicians and media types will find another place to roost.
To be sure the lovefest for Israel in government extends far beyond FDD and AIPAC. It can be found in many dark corners.
National
Security Advisor John Bolton
recently received
the "Defender of Israel" award from the Zionist Organization of America.
And
one might suggest that
the U.S. United Nations delegation, headed by Ambassador Nikki Haley, is directed by the Israeli government, particularly given
events of last Friday
whereby the U.S. voted against a motion condemning Israel's continued illegal occupation of the Syrian
Golan Heights, thereby recognizing for the first time Israel's sovereignty over the area. Whether Haley was speaking for herself
or for the administration was characteristically unclear, but it hardly matters
.
Nikki Haley might be referred to as a useful idiot, as Lenin put it, but her consistent pattern of extreme loyalty in defense
of Israel marks her out as being particularly beholden to the Jewish state, which will no doubt arrange to richly reward her through
some position in financial services for which she is totally unqualified when she leaves her post in January. And then she will be
well funded to run for president in 2020.
Having Haley in charge, one might just as well vote for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational
foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is
www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O.
Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is
[email protected].
Trump is presently Israel's man in the Oval Office and if he should not be available or bets need to be hedged for 2020, nikki
likudnik is a sensible substitute.
After all (as Giraldi rightly points out), she appears to serve not as U.N. ambassador for her own country, but for the Jewish
State of Israel.
The only "deep end" is Trump allowing the United States to be controlled by and have its national interests subverted by a
tiny client state via the out-sized lobbying bucks of Israel-firsters like Sheldon Adelson and his cabal.
Giraldi has consistently made this point and its clear who is unhappy about it.
' In spite of language that would presumably cover many of the hundreds of Jewish organizations acting for Israel, FARA has
never been used to compel registration of any such groups or individuals even when it was public knowledge that they were working
closely with the Israeli government to coordinate positions and promote other Israeli interests '
I think you've failed to grasp that Israel is not subject to gentile law.
" . . . but it is also due to the fact that the organizations are funded from within the United States by wealthy American Jews,
not by Israel, which is the argument sometimes inaccurately made by the groups themselves to demonstrate that they are not being
directed by the Israeli government."
I am not sure given the scope of the references that it matters. it appears that anyone advocating for any foreign entity is
included.
"(i) engages within the United States in political activities for or in the interests of such foreign principal; (ii) acts
within the United States as a public relations counsel, publicity agent, information-service employee or political consultant
for or in the interests of such foreign principal; (iii) within the United States solicits, collects, disburses, or dispenses
contributions, loans, money, or other things of value for or in the interest of such foreign principal; or (iv) within the United
States represents the interests of such foreign principal before any agency or official of the Government of the United States."
These "by the way, that includes" list makes it very clear what organizations are bound to register.
Israel's artificial 'war on terror' in the Middle East, has cost US taxpayers nearly $6 trillion and killed roughly half a
million human beings, and there's still no end in sight. source:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/news
Ludwig Watzal
, November 20, 2018 at 3:13 pm GMT
Geraldi's article shows how the Zionist Israel lobby holds the US public in choke cold and to put Israeli political goals
into the throat of the people and the US administration. Besides their power, there have to be many useful idiots who put up
with it and to support their bad goals. Their penetration of all walks of life renders it impossible to get FDD, AIPAC or all
the hundred other Israeli lobby groups registered as foreign agents. As Al Jazeera has demonstrated, these folks are working
foremost for Israeli interests. Their loyalty belongs primarily to Israel. If people would know, perhaps something could
change. But people are not allowed to tell because the Zionist controlled media are making sure of that.
@DESERT FOX
Dual citizenship has now been allowed in most (((Western liberal democracies))). There are two old adages on
the subject with slightly different views:
1) A slave cannot serve two masters; and 2) A slave with two masters is truly free.
All of the Jewish lobby groups fit into these views, but their magical mental gymnastics absolves them. In
the first instance, it is true that they cannot serve two masters, so they only serve one – Israel. In the
second instance, they are free, as they are not bound by allegiance to either master, they voluntarily serve
Israel.
Removing dual citizenship would be a step. Another step would be revisiting Chapter 115 on
Sedition. The definition under law, does not correlate with the normal legal definition.
The law contemplates force, the legal definition does not. Aligning the law with the legal concept of
sedition would put the "educational" groups would place them on less solid ground.
And finally, given that the US Constitution contemplates the government being "We, the people", all aid
to Israel is harvested from "We, the people" without consent. The famous Davy Crockett story covers it
nicely
In a sense, that could be reversed. Indeed, none of the presidents since Bill
Clinton has done ALL that Netanyahu's Israel has demanded, since none of them have gone to
war against Iran.
Obama, it is said, couldn't stand to be in the same room as Bibi. He and
SOS Kerry negotiated the multi-party Iran Nuclear Deal against Bibi's wishes, which our
current POTUS irrationally tore up. Was Trump carrying out the will of Israel, or was it
because he could not bear to allow one of the few good things that Obama accomplished to
stand? Perhaps both.
Sixteen years ago Wesley Clark said that the PNAC plan was for the US to take out 7
countries in 5 years, with Iran being the coup de gras. Hasn't happened yet. And is Trump
really that crazy? Let's hope that Bibi, who may be on his way out of office for corruption,
never gets his war.
@tac The Torah,
biblical and Quran stories were written in agrarian societies where capitalistic enterprise
hardly existed.
Loans were for not dying of hunger in the period between when the food of the last harvest
had been used completely, and the new harvest was still in the future.
Thus interest was seen as blackmailing people, they needed money to prevent dying of
starvation.
There was enterprise long ago, and trade over long distances, in the early centuries for
example swords from Damascus were famous in Europe, and exported to Europe.
Investment for business was the exception, even the first iron smelting installations were
simple, those who wanted them could build them by themselves.
The idea that invested money could yield money came later, when installations became more
complex, ships bigger, etc.
With investment came risk, there was not much risk in consumptive loans, they normally could
paid out of the coming harvest.
And so the problem began, a church not understanding capitalism, an agrarian society based on
barter changing into a money using capitalistic society.
Commercial people had no problem with interest, even now Muslims do not have problems with
interest.
What they do is simply giving interest other names, such as a fine for repaying late.
It has been agreed that the repayment will be late, so anybody is happy.
@renfro And
there you have it in a nutshell: usary -- the usurper of civilization, the enslaver of
humanity, the seed of ultimate degeneracy. It seems humanity is adverse to learn from
history. It is an interesting side-note that both Christianity and Islam both prohibit the
use of usury (a consideration worthy of mention when one contemplates the ongoing wars in the
ME) and some who here take shots at Farakhann, 'neo-nazis', blue-hair and other deplorables.
Our dilemma today is the same that occurred in Rome. Our country and people will
suffer the same fate if usury continues as it has. From the onset of history, it has
been the moneychangers, who have exploited mankind for pure profit. Usury is an abomination
against God's statutes, which manipulates and destroys people, families, and nations. It is
by the profits made from usury used to attack Christianity. One needs only to ask- who is
in control of usury worldwide? Didn't Rome suffer from these same people? Usury brings
forth an insidious side to all people. The temptation to borrow is powerful, and it always
polarizes lender against borrower where the former becomes the master and the later, the
slave. As a vice, neighbor is pitted against his neighbor, and nation against nation.
[...]
The Roman government was far too corrupt already with its politicians bought by
moneychangers for any fledgling Christian sect to have an affect on its decline. The
moneychanger's demand was perpetually self-serving, which was disparate to the common good
of the populace. Originally, Rome was founded as a republic. The unchecked influence of the
moneychangers caused it to change into a democracy. A republic is derived through the
election of public officials whose attitude toward property is respected in terms of law
for individual rights. A democracy is derived through the election of public officials
whose attitude toward property is communistic and respects the "collective good" of the
population instead of the individual. This is the resultant system that moneychangers bring
to civilization. The subversion of power is a sleight of hand that changes the right of the
individual into what is often called the "collective good" of the people (communistic),
which is always controlled by an alliance of powerful interests.
There is no reference in the article to the moneychangers and their lawyers sowing the
seeds for Roman society to suffocate under its own lethargic weight. Lawyers were indeed a
problem to Rome. The Romans were so concerned by lawyers' opprobrious effect on public
morale that they attempted to curb their influence. In 204 BC, the Roman Senate passed a
law prohibiting lawyers from plying their trade for money. As the Roman republic declined
and became more democratic, it became increasingly difficult to keep lawyers in check and
prevent them from accepting fees under the table. Indeed, they were very useful to the
moneychangers. The lawyers fed upon corruption and accelerated the downward plunge of Roman
civilization. Some wealthy Romans began sending their sons to Greece to finish their
schooling, to learn rhetoric (Julius Caesar was one example) -- a lawyer's cleverness in
oration. This compounded Rome's growing woes.
[...] The moneychangers destroyed Rome from within by first monopolizing usury, monopolizing
the precious mineral trade and then disproportionately magnifying the temporal businesses
of prostitution (including pedophilia and homosexuality), and slavery. Constantine
(306-337 AD) was the first Roman emperor to issue laws, which radically limited the rights
of Jews as citizens of the Roman Empire, a privilege conferred upon them by Caracalla in
212 AD. The laws of Constantius (337-361 AD) recognized the Jewish domination of the slave
trade and acted to greatly curtail it. A law of Theodosius II (408-410 AD), prohibited Jews
from holding any advantageous office of honor in the Roman state. Always the impetus was
buying influence concerning their trade.
[...] Usury has been the opiate that has ruined the ingenuity of many of its civilizations. As
this Jewish craft spread, the people increasingly suffered from the burdens of
indebtedness. So troubling was the effects of usury that Lex Genucia outlawed usury in
342 BC. Nevertheless, ways of evading such legislation were found and by the last period of
the Republic, usury was once again rife. Emperors like Julius Caesar and Justinian tried to
limit the interest rate and control its devastating effects (Birnie, 1958).
Entertainment was a way to temporarily set aside the burdens of indebtedness. It was a
way to festively indulge in all the glory that Rome had to offer. Rome soon became drunk on
hedonism. Collectively, entertainment helped disguise the collapsing of a great power.
Spectator blood sports, brothels, carnivals, festivals, and parties substituted for
everything that was wrong with Rome.
[...] Rome became a multi-cultural state much like our own in the United States. Indeed, it
was truly an international city. Foreigners of every nation resided and worked there. The
Romans soon intermarried and had children with the many foreigners. This included
concubines from the numerous slaves won through war. Rome had an extraordinary large
slave population and was estimated to make up about two-thirds of its population at one
time.
[...] Eventually, the Romans lost their tribal cohesion and identity. The population of Rome
had changed and so did its character. Increasing demands were made of the ruling
patricians. The aristocrats tried to appease the masses, but eventually those demands could
not be sustained. Rome had become bankrupt. The effects of usury polarized the patrician
class against an increasingly dispossessed and burdened class of citizens.
[...]
Rome was bankrupt and was collapsing. The parasitic nature of usury and its effect on
government was too complex for the uneducated plebeians to understand (see Addendum for
an illustration of usury's power). Indeed, it was the moneychangers with the use of
their lawyers that destroyed pagan Rome. The Jewish interests did not control all
usury. However, they were a people well recognized as being extremely loyal to each
other and adept in the black craft of usury. To all others (gentiles) they showed hate and
enmity. Throughout history the weapon of usury is used again and again to destroy
nations.
[...]
Fortunately, the writings of Cicero survived the burning of libraries. In the case against
Faccus, we can see the crafts of the Jews are the same today. The Jews clearly held
great influence in politics as a result of their professions and profited immensely at the
expense of Rome. We can further deduce by the case of Faccus that the Jews were not
concerned with the interests of Rome, but rather for their own interests. The Jewish
gold was being shipped from Rome and its provinces throughout the empire to Jerusalem. Why?
We also know that the Jews had utter contempt and hatred of the Romans. This contempt is
demonstrated by their breaking of Roman law, which Faccus tried to uphold. If we look
closer, we see that gold has a very special meaning to all Jewry unlike any other
people.
[...] There are enough records for us to piece together what actually occurred in Rome that
led to its downfall. Rome fell as a result of corruption and the lack of cohesion of its
own people. But, it was the instrument of usury that brought about this corruption and
allowed its gold and silver to be controlled by Jewish interests.
[...] It was Christianity that put an end to the destructive nature of usury on its people
(see addendum for usury example). Rome's treasury became barren as a result of the
moneychangers. It weakened the Roman Empire immeasurably, and thrust untold millions in
poverty, debt, and in prison. It was Christianity that halted the influence of the Jews and
their destructive trades and practices. And, the Christian faith spread throughout the
former Roman Empire. All of the European people eventually became Christianity's vanguard
and champion. Without the strict adherence to the moral ethos, any civilization will
devolve into the religion of Nimrod.
"... "The prosecutors identified four people who were suspects in the Browder case, all of whom died over the course of less than two years as the investigation against him unfolded. ..."
"... Considering that the three individuals, with the exception of Magnitsky, died within months of each other while being investigated as part of Browder's case, "it is highly likely that they were killed to get rid of accomplices who could give an incriminating testimony against Browder," a senior official with the Russian General Prosecutor's office told journalists. The same may be true for Magnitsky The prosecutors claim that Browder was the party who benefited most from the death of Magnitsky." ..."
"... This is not some funny Skripal affair. This is a real case of several murders (see four cold bodies) ordered by the known scoundrel. ..."
"The prosecutors identified four people who were suspects in the Browder case, all
of whom died over the course of less than two years as the investigation against him
unfolded.
The Russian prosecutors believe all four of them may have been killed with a rare
water-soluble compound of aluminum. Each of the men showed symptoms consistent with being
poisoned by the toxin prior to their deaths An investigation into four possible murders has
been opened.
Considering that the three individuals, with the exception of Magnitsky, died within
months of each other while being investigated as part of Browder's case, "it is highly likely
that they were killed to get rid of accomplices who could give an incriminating testimony
against Browder," a senior official with the Russian General Prosecutor's office told
journalists. The same may be true for Magnitsky The prosecutors claim that Browder was the
party who benefited most from the death of Magnitsky."
– This is not some funny Skripal affair. This is a real case of several murders
(see four cold bodies) ordered by the known scoundrel.
That Browder (a liar and cheat that made a huge fortune in Russia) has "benefited most
from the death of Magnitsky" is undoubtedly true.
@ChuckOrloski
Not surprising to anyone who understands that stealing ,especially from 'others' is a first
choice career of Jews/Israelis.
I have always suspected that the 9 billion of stolen Iraq funds were stolen by the Jews who
were embedded in the US occupation administration and sent to Israel. Israel was so broke in
2001 they asked the Us for economic aid then suddenly in 2004 by some miracle they were
rolling in surplus money again.
Investigations reveal a pattern of Israeli officials stone-walling efforts to stop the
perpetrators of massive financial swindles in various countries, from Europe to the US to the
Philippines While some Israeli reporters work to expose the scams, a new one is already
underway
By Alison Weir
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French and Israeli media report that a group largely made up of Israelis scammed 3,000 French
citizens out of approximately $20 million. Most of the stolen money is in Israel, but Israeli
authorities are reportedly failing to cooperate with France in prosecuting the scammers and
retrieving the money.
This is the latest of numerous examples of Israeli officials stone-walling international
efforts against the perpetrators of massive financial swindles around the world, according to
Israeli investigative journalists and others. These scams have brought estimated billions
into the Israeli economy, propping up a regime widely condemned for human rights abuses and
ethnic cleansing against indigenous Palestinians. Together, the stories paint a picture of a
government that seems to be turning a blind eye to -- and even protecting -- scammers.
A Finance Magnates analysis reports that one of the swindles alone has brought in over a
billion dollars and employs 5,000 people. And a new scam, described below, may help what is
predicted to be "the next major driver of the Israeli economy."
A former IRS expert on international crime notes that "fraudulent industries are often
major economic drivers, and that can translate into political clout."
Some Israeli journalists have been working to expose the situation in Israeli newspapers,
publishing exposés like "As Israel turns blind eye to vast binary options fraud,
French investigators step in" and "Are French Jewish criminals using Israel as a
get-out-of-jail card?" (Short answer: yes.)
Victimizing French business owners & churches
The victims of the recent scam against French citizens included churches and the owners of
small businesses -- delicatessens, car repair shops, hair salons, plumbers, etc. Some lost
their life savings and describe being threatened and intimidated by the scammers.
Both share an implacable sense of Islamophobia. And, the deep sense of racial
inferiority complex which the hindoos feel, fits well with the cursed ideology of their
supremacist white-skinned Zionist masters. Them hindoos are willful lickspittle of the
Jooscum.
Man you really hit the bull's eye with this astute observation of yours (or is the golden
cafe we have here?? ;))
What I think is that, these hindoos (at least the ones who are on the top of the totem
pole) have what robert lindsay used to describe as, a very deep sense of inferiority complex
intertwined with a very superficial sense of superiority on the outside. Deeper the
inferiority complex, stronger the (external) superiority complex to offset the deep sense of
shame they have on the inside. I wonder why that is?
However it would be wrong to paint the whole country of India with the same brush. A
massive percentage of people there are bearing the brunt of toxic hatred and violence
emanating from the likes of 'zionist lickspittles' you mentioned. One can only surmise what
they must be enduring. These low caste and other minorities there would be a very patient and
stoic people as otherwise India would've erupted into a full blown civil war by now.
As for the 'jooscum', I take issue with that. There certainly are Jews, like Unz, Atzmon
and Shamir who defy the stereotype and become champions of real free speech and truth. So
again one must NOT go down that slippery slope of putting each and everyone to the guillotine
just because they happen to be cohen or ahmed or rahul or whatever. We are better than
that
@ChuckOrloski
Its much more than that .we have a lot of cost for Israel than just the yearly 3 billion, it
more like 5 billion if you count the 760,000 for missile defense and a dozen other programs
for aid to Israel. Cost was 1.6 trillion as of 2002, probably 2 trillion by now.
Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US
December 9, 2002
By David R. Francis ,Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
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Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by
today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.
This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in Washington. For decades,
his analyses of the Middle East scene have made him a frequent thorn in the side of the
Israel lobby.
For the first time in many years, Mr. Stauffer has tallied the total cost to the US of its
backing of Israel in its drawn-out, violent dispute with the Palestinians. So far, he
figures, the bill adds up to more than twice the cost of the Vietnam War.
And now Israel wants more. In a meeting at the White House late last month, Israeli
officials made a pitch for $4 billion in additional military aid to defray the rising costs
of dealing with the intifada and suicide bombings. They also asked for more than $8 billion
in loan guarantees to help the country's recession-bound economy.
Considering Israel's deep economic troubles, Stauffer doubts the Israel bonds covered by
the loan guarantees will ever be repaid. The bonds are likely to be structured so they don't
pay interest until they reach maturity. If Stauffer is right, the US would end up paying both
principal and interest, perhaps 10 years out.
Israel's request could be part of a supplemental spending bill that's likely to be passed
early next year, perhaps wrapped in with the cost of a war with Iraq.
Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. It is already due to get $2.04 billion
in military assistance and $720 million in economic aid in fiscal 2003. It has been getting
$3 billion a year for years.
Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel has been given $240
billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and
Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel.
"Consequently, politically, if not administratively, those outlays are part of the total
package of support for Israel," argues Stauffer in a lecture on the total costs of US Middle
East policy, commissioned by the US Army War College, for a recent conference at the
University of Maine.
These foreign-aid costs are well known. Many Americans would probably say it is money well
spent to support a beleagured democracy of some strategic interest. But Stauffer wonders if
Americans are aware of the full bill for supporting Israel since some costs, if not hidden,
are little known.
One huge cost is not secret. It is the higher cost of oil and other economic damage to the
US after Israel-Arab wars.
In 1973, for instance, Arab nations attacked Israel in an attempt to win back territories
Israel had conquered in the 1967 war. President Nixon resupplied Israel with US arms,
triggering the Arab oil embargo against the US.
That shortfall in oil deliveries kicked off a deep recession. The US lost $420 billion (in
2001 dollars) of output as a result, Stauffer calculates. And a boost in oil prices cost
another $450 billion.
Afraid that Arab nations might use their oil clout again, the US set up a Strategic
Petroleum Reserve. That has since cost, conservatively, $134 billion, Stauffer reckons.
Other US help includes:
• US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought Israel bonds
worth $50 billion to $60 billion. Though private in origin, the money is "a net drain" on the
United States economy, says Stauffer.
• The US has already guaranteed $10 billion in commercial loans to Israel, and $600
million in "housing loans." (See editor's note below.) Stauffer expects the US Treasury to
cover these.
• The US has given $2.5 billion to support Israel's Lavi fighter and Arrow missile
projects.
• Israel buys discounted, serviceable "excess" US military equipment. Stauffer says
these discounts amount to "several billion dollars" over recent years.
• Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its $1.8 billion per year in military aid,
ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has
won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made
equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to
Israel.
US help, financial and technical, has enabled Israel to become a major weapons supplier.
Weapons make up almost half of Israel's manufactured exports. US defense contractors often
resent the buy-Israel requirements and the extra competition subsidized by US taxpayers.
• US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion
a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs, Stauffer estimates. Not requiring Israel to use
its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.
• Israel has blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter aircraft to Saudi
Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over 10 years, says Stauffer.
@JC1
Asian-Americans are not brainwashed. When the LA riots occurred in part because a Korean
woman shot a black girl in the back of the head in her store, the Korean shopkeepers simply
got out their guns and started shooting black rioters like dogs which of course they
privately regard them to be. Blacks paid cash in their liquor stores but once this was no
longer a factor they simply started shooting at them-with much greater accuracy, too. The
average ghetto black was no match for a Korean with an SKS rifle.
Iranian Muslims are not brainwashed. When Irv Rubin of the Jewish Defense League who had
previously been known for brawling with Metzger and the Klan on talk shows tried to blow up
the mosque and congressman Issa after 9-11 (I guess he did not get the memo that the Z were
behind it) he was imprisoned. His death was suspicious and probably the result of Aryan gangs
on the inside. At any rate, so much for Jewish domination of the Muslims.
Hindus are supposedly cooperating with Jews in their takeover of the tech industry. I
cannot be sure of that. However, they are not brainwashed.
And as our Italian-American posters have noted here, the Italians who long resided in the
same cities with Jews don't give a "rat's culo" for Israel.
Supposedly the 1965 Immigration Act was engineered by Jews to destroy white society. What
it did accomplish was importing a bunch of Asians and Hispanics who do not care a whit about
Israel or Jews and some Muslims who detest them.
So it is the rural white prole who is brainwashed. He comes home from a hard day's work
and watches some film like BLACK PANTHER where a bunch of effete British character actors
play the baddies and the black Mandingo walks around in a costume and they want him to screw
their sister.
The Korean or Iranian or Italian in the city does not want to imitate blacks. Few of them
are whiggers. It is the rural white prole who wants to "keep it real". Italians who do choose
to be gangsters do not go to jail for the petty crimes that whiggers do.
I must say that the white is something of a fool. And I should add, I am one. Whites
seemed smarter in the 1990′s. But somehow they declined after Bush was elected.
Doesn't anyone else get fatigued by the constant demand for attention by the one
Ethnostate supposedly created by God ? What's in it for me ?
You get to pay for it.
Why Israel Will Never Repay US Loans
Dr. Israel Shahak
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"All conceivable questions have been discussed about scheduling and conditions of the $10
billion in loan guarantees requested by Israel from the US government except one: How can
Israel possibly repay such a huge sum? After all, if Israel cannot repay these loans, the
burden will fall upon the guarantor, the US government, which in the last analysis means upon
the US taxpayers.
Such a repayment would in fact amount to foreign aid under another name. Because of the
deterioration of economic conditions in the US, no matter what forms of pressure the American
Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) may use, the Congress will be reluctant to offer
Israel $10 billion in an extra aid gift.
Given these realities, the best guess would be that both sides already know that since Israel
is not capable of repaying the US guaranteed loans, they regard the guarantees as a gift to
Israel in disguise.
A Gift in Disguise
Yitzhak Shamir and other Israeli government spokesmen, as well as spokesmen for Israel's
US lobby, constantly reiterate that Israel has so far been repaying its debts on time. They
don't mention that the US pays the interest on those loans, and eventually forgives them. If
the US did not do this, Israel's case would soon be comparable to that of the USSR and other
debt-ridden states which used their past good repayment records as justification for
borrowing more and more, until finally they defaulted on all their loans. The situation is
described by Israeli economist Zvi Timor, the editor of Al-Hamishmar, in an article entitled
"Dignified Behavior Under Pressure" in his journal's September 17 issue:
"For years we have been repaying all our debts from what we've been receiving as American
aid. Every year Israel gets $1.3 billion of economic aid, of which $ 1.1 billion goes for
debt repayment."
In other words, 85 percent of American economic aid "is not spent as it is supposed to be.
From private but reliable sources, I know that last year the sum in question reached $1.2
billion, i.e. 92 percent of the received "economic aid." It means that the American taxpayers
have been, without their knowledge, repaying the Israeli debt for years. Ordinary Americans
would be overjoyed if they learned that their debts were being repaid by somebody else. If
Israeli debt repayment goes under the name of "economic aid," it is to conceal from the US
public the knowledge that they are repaying somebody else's debts.
The deception is nevertheless obvious for the simple reason that the expenditure of
between $11 and $12 billion over 10 years would otherwise have produced some visible effects
in Israel. None, however, can be seen.
According to the Congressional Research Service issue brief, "Israel: US Foreign
Assistance Facts" by Clyde R. Mark (updated May 8, 1991), Israel also benefits from periodic
US government waivers. From 1974 to 1984, the United States waived repayment of part of
Israel's annual FMS (Foreign Military Sales). Since 1985, the US has waived repayment of the
total FMS. The waiver avoids establishing a program and personnel to oversee the program, as
would be required if the same amount were given as a Military Assistance Program grant.
What this means is that since the entire value of the enormous military aid the US has
granted Israel over the years is in fact a gift, Israel does not owe the US very much. The
brief states further that "the United States gives all ESF (Economic Support Funds) directly
to the Government of Israel rather than under a specific program. There is no accounting of
how the funds are used. " No other recipient of American aid benefits from such conditions,
which seem almost to have been designed to beget fraud. And fraud they did beget.
In fact, fraud and deceit have pervaded Israeli utilization of US support. Even the magnitude
of this support has been misreported. Contrary to the data routinely cited by the Western
press, combined US military and economic support to Israel has amounted not to $3.1 billion
yearly, but, as Timor stated, "in sum total, without counting the guarantees, the US
government helps Israel financially to the extent of about $5 billion."
In this sum he includes the value (to Israel) of "deductions [from US income tax] accruing to
funds raised by the United Jewish Appeal. " Incidentally, the bulk of these funds, although
they are put at the disposal of the Israeli government, remain in the US. They are used by
AIPAC and other segments of the Israeli lobby in the United States. In this way, the US
administration actually subsidizes lobbying power used against itself.
Other forms of covert American aid cited by Timor are discussed by Yossi Verter and Yigal
Laviv in an article headlined "The American financial aid to Israel is much higher than
previously known" in Hadashut of September 20. Their estimate of the total amount of support
received by Israel from the US roughly concurs with Timor's.
Relying on "documents leaked by the State Department, which were published in part by the
Wall Street Journal, " and also "on sources in the Congress" (and apparently on Israeli
sources as well), the writers conclude that "financial aid which Israel receives from the US
is much higher than published figures indicate, largely because Israel uses the received
money for complex financial speculation schemes which are without exception detrimental to
the interests of the American taxpayer."
They also assert that "between 1974 and 1989 Israel received from the US over $16 billion in
the form of military aid, but no one in the US really expected that any part of this total
would ever be repaid."
Asking About the Future
But let us leave the past aside, and ask about the future. Right now, the US pays existing
Israeli debts to commercial banks and allows their recycling. The question that therefore
remains is, how can Israel repay the additional principal and interest on the $10 billion in
loans? Or, alternatively, can Israel renounce the guarantees and impose an austerity regime
in their stead?
The latter option is already advocated by such Israeli ministers from the extreme right as
former Chief of Staff and present Minister of Agriculture Rafael Eitan. After all, in order
to repay this sum each year, Israel would have to increase its exports by at least $4
billion, or more if the profits from such exports did not reach 50 percent.
The last officially recorded value for Israeli exports was some $9.4 billion in 1988. The
value of imports was $12.3 billion, yielding a trade deficit of 23.2 percent, according to
the "Statistical Abstract of Israel, 1989." Since Israel is now in recession, the value of
its exports could not have increased much since then.
In fact, one particular export, that of weaponry, has collapsed since 1988. The value of
exported weapons, one-third of which went to Colombia alone, amounted in 1988 to $1.5
billion. The forecast for the next fiscal year was that this particular export would decrease
to $213 million.
Two major markets for the Israeli exports now are North America ($3.1 billion, of which $3
billion goes to the US) and the European Common Market ($3.2 billion). Israeli exports to the
US were composed chiefly of polished diamonds ($1.2 billion), medicines and chemicals ($180
million), and clothes and textiles ($125 million).
Only the gullible can expect that Americans, under present economic conditions, can be
influenced by AIPAC to buy more Israeli diamonds in quantifies sufficient to cover the
repayment of the new loans, to be borrowed at the rate of $2 billion per year for five years.
An increase of Israeli exports by $4 billion, or some 43 percent in a single year, is, as
Timor clearly recognizes, absolutely impossible.
Timor is right in pointing out that without the US guarantees, "a state like Israel, which
already has an enormous foreign debt per capita, enormous defense budget, enormous budgetary
deficit, and quite sizable trade deficit, would not be considered an attractive borrower on
the international financial market. " It can be mentioned in passing that an Israeli
budgetary deficit exists when the notyet granted American guarantees are already counted on
its revenue side! All these facts only reinforce disbelief in Israel's ability to ever repay
the loans guaranteed by the US.
The Austerity Alternative
The alternative option of renouncing the guarantees and imposing an austerity regime would
also have dire consequences. The proposed reduction of all salaries by 10 percent would yield
the equivalent in Israeli shekels of $2 billion. In addition to the social consequences of
this proposal, a hefty proportion of Israeli wage-earners would thus rapidly land below the
poverty line.
Nor would these sacrifices yield the intended economic effects. As Timor reminds his readers,
Israeli shekels are worthless outside of Israel. His conclusion, backed by some additional
arguments not mentioned here, is: "Any savings in shekels are bound to be quite ineffective,
because shekels are not dollars."
The prediction that Israel cannot possibly repay the loans which the US is requested to
guarantee rests on firm grounds. The data upon which this prediction is based, although not
publicized by the media before the current clash of the US administration with the Israeli
government and with the Israeli lobby in the US, were surely known to the advocates of the
guarantees from the start. This inescapably leads to the conclusion that the guarantees were
originally conceived as a grant in disguise. It would have been more honest to call them a
gift.
A loan guarantee is essentially the same thing whether you're buying a car, an apartment, or
housing materials for Soviet immigrants. A reliable financial entity (a bank, your parents,
the United States) promises to pay off the balance of a loan if the borrower cannot. So when
Congress promises Israel $9 billion in loan guarantees (as they did this year), that means
the U.S. government accepts responsibility for up to $9 billion that Israel can then borrow
from international creditors. And loans guaranteed by the Federal Reserve provide an
additional benefit: The interest rates offered are much lower than they would be if Israel
(or any small, debt-troubled nation) sought the loan without backers.
"The New York Times reported Tuesday that the United States may be planning to reduce
Israel's loan guarantees to account for any money the country spends constructing a
"security perimeter" that will divide its citizens from Palestinians. What are these loan
guarantees, and how important are they to Israel?
A loan guarantee is essentially the same thing whether you're buying a car, an apartment,
or housing materials for Soviet immigrants. A reliable financial entity (a bank, your
parents, the United States) promises to pay off the balance of a loan if the borrower
cannot. So when Congress promises Israel $9 billion in loan guarantees (as they did this
year), that means the U.S. government accepts responsibility for up to $9 billion that
Israel can then borrow from international creditors. And loans guaranteed by the Federal
Reserve provide an additional benefit: The interest rates offered are much lower than they
would be if Israel (or any small, debt-troubled nation) sought the loan without
backers.
The $9 billion in loan guarantees (along with $1 billion in direct aid) comprise a
special post-Gulf War II aid package, awarded to Israel on top of the $3 billion in other
assistance that the United States gives annually. But with loan guarantees, it's never
clear how much money is actually "given": In a perfect world, they wouldn't cost the United
States a cent. Israel -- or Turkey, Egypt, and Jordan, all of which snagged loan guarantees
as postwar rewards -- could borrow on the international markets, then pay off the loans
completely, leaving the United States with no financial obligation. But Israel has already
received nearly $10 billion in loan guarantees from the United States since 1992, and while
it has yet to default on any of those loans, this new round of guarantees is intended in
part to help Israel pay off the old debt. Which means the United States could be stuck with
a bill ranging anywhere from zero to $9 billion plus interest.
When borrowing on the United States' good credit, the Israeli government can use the money
for any purpose. However, Congress attached a series of stipulations to the recent package,
including one that reserves the right to reduce the guarantee amount to counterbalance any
money Israel spends creating new settlements in contested territory. This caveat is exactly
what Bush may use now to pressure Israel to cease construction on its "security perimeter"
-- if the caveat is employed, Israel would find itself fully responsible for part of its
loan (and thus with higher interest rates). And because Israel's annual revenues top out at
$40 billion, any tweaks to a $9 billion aid package could shake up the country's
economy.
Experts say it's far from clear that the Bush administration will follow through with this
plan. But simply threatening to reduce the guarantees can also be effective because Israel
needs the U.S.-backed loans to keep debt payments under control. In 1991, Israel was in a
similarly desperate financial situation, and the United States used the threat of limiting
loan guarantees to force then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir to attend the Madrid peace
conference and suspend settlement construction while he was there
"The Department of Homeland Security allocated to Jewish institutions $12 million, or 94
percent, of $13 million in funds for securing nonprofits.
The $13 million disbursed last week brings to $151 million the amount disbursed since the
program started in 2005, most of it to Jewish institutions "
The USA is not a sovereign nation, America is a sovereign nation, could that be what you
meant to say?
The USA is a corporation organized to govern; it owners are not investor-shareholders
but robber-barren bandit stakeholders. The USA was established to mitigate and tame down
the Democracy Americans had bleed red blood to achieve. Take a look at the corporate bylaws
(constitution) of the USA, they consist of seven articles.
The Executive, Article I. (pres. vp,), the Congress Art. II. (board of directors), the
Judiciary ( to settle difference) (Article III), Articles IV clarifies relations between
the different generally lesser governments (states), Article V, invents a way to make it
possible for the constitution to terminate the Confederation (that invention is called
Ratification) It was ratification that transferred the power of government from the
continental "democracy-practicing" masses right back into the hands of the few caretakers
who were beholding to, or in service to, private banking and foreign interest. America
governed itself for 11 years . After that the pre -evolution Oligarchs (wealthy or
highly educated elites) managed to get ratified their constitution and to use it to put
themselves right back into the positions of political and autocratic power they enjoyed
before the revolution. The constitution eliminated the right of Americans to a say
in the affairs of their government. (the government, and the affairs of government, were
separated from the masses of the people. The USA was used to protect and enhance the
aristocrats from the needs, wants and plight of the masses and to extract from the masses
the funds that support USA operations. To accomplish that transition feat, the banksters
used ( or invented and used) a process called ratification (Article VII). Ratification
eliminated the American Democracy overseen by the Articles of Confederation (as
administered by the American democratic continental government).
Read Constitution Article VI [2] and [3].. you will see.. authority..shall be supreme..
Judges Senators and Representatives ,.. Members of the several State Legislatures, and all
executive and judicial officers, both of the US and of the several States [shall be bound
by it].
Constitution Article VI [1] ..engagements entered into, before the
Adoption[ratification] ..shall be valid against the US [<=meaning in spite of the
democratic wish of those who fought the British , the US corporation (USA) would "recognize
as valid" deeds to real estate obtained by Land grant from a foreigner. Millions of acres
of America would remain in a very few private hands. It meant many other similar things..
to numerous to mention here. Had the Confederation continued slavery most likely would have
not survived.
Why bother with writing Article VI{1}? These few words allowed wealthy Washington
Aristocrat types to retain their vast personal ownership in their humongous-stretches of
real estate (land holdings) given (land granted) to them or to those from whom they
acquired them by a foreign power (on behalf of the Banksters who in those days controlled
everything). Democracy itself was the threat that produced the US Constitution ;
the US constitution eliminated democracy ; the constitution replaced America's
democracy by confederation with a republic (meaning no one but the elected few are to be
permitted any say in anything (go back to work and shut the **** up).
Why was democracy a threat ? The Confederation (government by agreement) was
being urged by its war vets to make good on its promises to give every vet a homestead and
a pension for their service in the war. The vets were demanding all land in America
belonged to Americans. they were insisting to refuse to recognize claims (deeds) to real
estate that predated the American revolution; we don't recognize deeds from foreign kings.
British, French or Spanish land grant owners turn the ownership of your land over to
America (the confederation), such land does not belong to you. We Americans do not
recognize land grants from foreign governments; these lands never belonged to foreigners so
they could not give them to you. Needless to say, land grant owners (Washington and family
owned most of Virginia and a great part of West Virginia <=reason George was appointed
general of the continental army, he was so rich everyone would know who he was and
volunteer to help fight the British).
It must be remembered that the Confederation (Articles of Confederation, not the USA)
was the government that defeated the British in the American Revolution, 1776-1778! The USA
did not then exist. Eleven Confederation years between 1776 (Declaration of Independence)
and the ratification of the USA (1789)
Ratification truncated the American Democracy; ratification re-established the British
Bankster appointed Aristocrats as puppets in charge over America.
The US Constitution created an Americanized form of British Parliamentary government, in
virtually the same form as existed in British Colonial times, but without a king or queen
(instead a President and Vice President); so the USA was the banker's government that would
control America, its just that most Americans did not know it. Most Americans cannot name
one of the 11 presidents of the Confederation (AOC government) because misleading
propaganda has been substituted in their school taught histories. Most Americans don't
understand federalism, nor do they have any idea the angry controversy that forced the USA
into existence.
I have written this several times and each time I understand more about what happened.
If you see I am wrong please say so.. I am really interested to sort out the truth and that
was a long time ago.
With all due respect to Philip Giraldi I do not buy this reasoning. Outsize influence of Israel in the US politics and
especially in foreign policy is a direct result of correlation of the goals of Israel and USA on the Middle East. In a way
Israel acts as yet another (informal) US state. The moment Israel tries to pursue independent foreign policy (for example by
booting Likud from government and electing more reasonable party and deviating from the USA goals) it will face consequences,
Israeli lobby or no Israeli lobby. Israel also acts as yet another lobbyist for the US military industrial complex.
The fact that media is owned by large corporations does no imply that it is owned by Israeli interests. And if MSM conduct
pro-Israeli propaganda they do so reflecting interests of the the US elite -- financial oligarchy. And a large
percentage of financial oligarchy support Zionism.
But the fact of interference of Israeli government in the USA election are reprehensible and those involved should be
prosecuted. Possibly using RICO act.
Discussion of the article is much more interesting then the article itself, revealing many additional aspects of the power of
Israeli lobby to influence the US elections. As well as the list of US politicians they managed to send to the dustbin of
history.
Notable quotes:
"... While acknowledging the great debt to Walt and Mearsheimer, it is one thing to read about something in a book and quite another thing to see it live, which is what the new evidence of Israeli interference consists of. Several years ago, the Qatari news service al-Jazeera commissioned two investigations. The first was on the activities of the Israeli Lobby in Britain and the second was on the lobby in the United States. The material consisted largely of meetings with members of Israel's active lobby that were secretly filmed by journalists who were pretending to be supporters and who eventually managed to penetrate some of the organizations that were most active in promoting Israel's interests. ..."
"... It demonstrated how the Israeli Embassy in London connived with government officials to "take down" parliamentarians and government ministers who were considered to be critical of the Jewish State. It also revealed how the Israeli Embassy was secretly subsidizing and advising private groups promoting Israeli interests, including associations of Members of Parliament (MPs). ..."
"... There appears to be a Jewish moneyed lobby, working in conjunction with other moneyed lobbies to create a universal, one world government supervised by themselves. America was the first to go. Next? ..."
"... The book – Dangerous Liaison – was not particularly controversial it simply put forth what kind special relationship Israel has with its ally the US (Iran-contra, Pollard Affair, USS Liberty, Dimona, et al). The type of information all Americans should have a working knowledge of (but do not). Sorry Leslie, I was rooting for you. ..."
"... Well sure they bought Congress. But Congress has been a vestigial constitutional appendix ever since CIA sent Don Gregg to see the Church and Pike Committees. He threatened martial law and that was that. ..."
"... The three branches of the US government are still CIA, CIA, and CIA. The only interesting development is the catastrophic collapse of CIA's aggression by sending of armed bands in Syria. ..."
"... The Electronic Intifada has obtained a complete copy of The Lobby – USA, a four-part undercover investigation by Al Jazeera into Israel's covert influence campaign in the United States. I suggest everyone watch all four episodes of this Doc. ..."
"... The Al-Jazeera documentary reveals that these fifth columnist spies and narcs are using a definition of anti-Semitism from the U.S. State Dept. to crush dissent. This definition came from none other than Hillary Clinton. ..."
"... What do you think the reaction would be, and by whom, if a US politician proposed a resolution "that Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state be supported until a majority of Middle Eastern states by number and population, and all those contiguous to Israel, have ended discrimination on grounds of religion"? ..."
"... You are correct. Israel is the only country to flout the Symington Amendment, which mandates that "foreign aid" be denied to any country that has not signed the "Nuclear Non-Proliferation" agreement and refuses to allow International Atomic Energy Agency inspections of their nuclear facilities. ..."
"... Add to that, AIPAC and many other pro-Israel organizations that have not registered as "agents of a foreign government" as required by American law. ..."
It is particularly ironic that as the midterm campaigns were drawing to a close there
appeared some serious investigative journalism that demonstrates precisely how Israel and
Jewish groups corrupt the political process in America to provide virtually unlimited support
for anything and everything that the despicable Benjamin Netanyahu and his gang of war
criminals seek to do. How the process has succeeded is best illustrated by the current Israeli
government's policy of "mowing the grass" in Gaza where it is using army snipers to kill
unarmed Palestinian protesters. Washington not only does not protest against the in-your-face
war crime, it aids and abets it with U.S. Ambassador David Friedman justifying the military
response as measured and appropriate.
Another area where Washington chooses to look the other way is regarding Israel's nuclear
arsenal, believed to consist of two hundred warheads. Under U.S. law, any country that has an
undeclared nuclear weapons arsenal cannot obtain American-made weapons and cannot received aid
of any type. Congress and the White House pretend that the Israeli nuclear arsenal does not
exist, in spite of the fact that the Israelis themselves have more than once implicitly
acknowledged it and instead of cutting aid to Israel have instead increased it. It is currently
$3.8 billion per year guaranteed for the next ten years, with extra money also available if
needed. No other country benefits from such largesse and gives in return so little.
To be sure, the groundbreaking book
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by professors Stephen Walt and John
Mearsheimer, which appeared in 2007, pulled no punches in describing how the Israel Lobby
operates in the United States. It also made clear that the relationship with Israel serves no
United States national interest whatsoever and exists solely because of the corruption of the
political system and the media by principally Jewish individuals and groups that are dedicated
to that task.
While acknowledging the great debt to Walt and Mearsheimer, it is one thing to read about
something in a book and quite another thing to see it live, which is what the new evidence of
Israeli interference consists of. Several years ago, the Qatari news service al-Jazeera
commissioned two investigations. The first was on the activities of the Israeli Lobby in
Britain and the second was on the lobby in the United States. The material consisted largely of
meetings with members of Israel's active lobby that were secretly filmed by journalists who
were pretending to be supporters and who eventually managed to penetrate some of the
organizations that were most active in promoting Israel's interests.
The British expose, in two parts, aired in January, and was based on discussions and
interviews that took place between June and November 2017. It demonstrated how the Israeli
Embassy in London connived with government officials to "take down" parliamentarians and
government ministers who were considered to be critical of the Jewish State. It also revealed
how the Israeli Embassy was secretly subsidizing and advising private groups promoting Israeli
interests, including associations of Members of Parliament (MPs).
The secret recording revealed how an Israeli Embassy diplomat/spy named Shai Masot connived
with a senior civil servant to get rid of Foreign Office Minister Sir Alan Duncan, regarded as
a supporter of an independent Palestinian state. To Masot's additional query "Can I give you
some MPs that I would suggest you would take down?" the civil servant suggested " if you look
hard enough, I'm sure there is something that they're trying to hide a little scandal maybe."
Another alleged pro-Arab member of Parliament Crispin Blunt was also identified and confirmed
to be on a "hit list."
It was also learned that Masot had been secretly
subsidizing and advising two ostensibly independent groups, the parliamentary Conservative
Friends of Israel (CFI) and the Labour Friends of Israel (LFI). Masot did, however, express
concern that Israel's control over incoming parliamentarians was not quite what it used to be:
"For years, every MP that joined the parliament joined the LFI. They're not doing that any more
in the Labour Party. CFI, they're doing it automatically. All the 14 new MPs who got elected in
the last elections did it automatically."
The documentary was initially a sensation in Britain but then, predictably, it went away as
Israel's loyal host of media scriveners took charge. Masot was recalled to Israel and Prime
Minister Teresa May, as good a friend to Jewish money and power as one is likely to find,
decided to do nothing. Her characteristically toothless reaction to the suggestion that her
government officials might be removed by the clandestine activity of a foreign country was:
"The Israeli ambassador has apologized the U.K. has a strong relationship with Israel and we
consider the matter closed."
The four-part series by al-Jazeera on the Lobby in the U.S. was meanwhile
temporarily spiked because the Qatari government was seeking to obtain the mediation of
prominent American Jews to pressure the White House to help resolve its outstanding conflict
with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
The documentary has remained in limbo but in the past two weeks it has surfaced and
is now available . Its undercover investigative journalist, a British Jew named Tony
Kleinfeld, quickly charmed his way into the inner circle of Israel's supporters where he
discovered a network of organizations that act as fronts for the Israeli government. Their
activities include spying on supporters of Palestinian rights and disrupting demonstrations,
with a particular focus on the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS), which Israel
has particularly targeted. They also resorted to tactics like smearing critics by generating
false accusations of sexual and personal misconduct, all of which was coordinated by Israel's
Ministry of Strategic Affairs. The ministry's director general is Sima Vaknin-Gil , a
former senior officer with Israel's military intelligence , and is staff consists mostly of
former spies drawn from Israel's various security agencies.
Later, Kleinfeld became involved with The Israel Project , which is a U.S. based
Israeli government backed propaganda organ that claims to be "a non-partisan American
educational organization dedicated to informing the media and public conversation about Israel
and the Middle East."
In a recorded conversation, Project employee Jordan Schachtel, explained the
objectives and extent of a secret Facebook operation. "We're putting together a lot of
pro-Israel media through various social media channels that aren't The Israel Project's
channels. So we have a lot of side projects that we are trying to influence the public debate
with. That's why it's a secretive thing, because we don't want people to know that these side
projects are associated with The Israel Project."
In another episode, the Israel on Campus Coalition's
Jacob Baime, who claimed to have a $2 million budget, described coordinating with the Israeli
government, with an approach "modeled on General Stanley McChrystal's counterinsurgency
strategy in Iraq copied a lot from that strategy that has been working really well for us,
actually" using "offensive information operations." Baime described putting "up some anonymous
website" along with targeted Facebook ads so that critics "either shut down or they spend time
responding to it and investigating it, which is time they can't spend attacking Israel. It's
psychological warfare, it drives them crazy."
Kleinfeld also met with other groups. Foundation for Defense of Democracies was revealed as yet
another
agent of Israel's Ministry of Strategic Affairs, its directors meeting regularly with
Israeli Embassy staff in Washington. In spite of that the Treasury Department has not compelled
it to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938 (FARA). It is also registered
with the IRS as a tax exempt 501(c)3 "charity." Indeed, no Jewish organization active on behalf
of Israel has ever had to register under FARA and most are classified as tax exempt charities
or educational foundations. Interestingly, however, the FDD's Jonathan Schanzer lamented in his
recorded conversation with Kleinfeld that "anti-Semitism as a smear is not what is used to
be."
In another bizarre episode, Kleinfeld visited the neocon dominated Hoover Institute in
California where he participated in a demonstration together with a group of bored young
conservative think tankers compelled by their professors to protest against a Students for
Justice in Palestine conference. The think tank fellows admit that they were "astroturfing"
– rent-a-crowd activism to make a small demonstration appear much larger.
Another segment
includes Israeli Lobby financier Adam Milstein, who is reported to be the principal funder
of Canary Mission, which has targeted some
1,900 students and academics in its profiles
since 2015 , smearing them as "racist," "anti-American" and "anti-Semitic." Jacob Baime,
executive director of the Israel on Campus Coalition, boasts in the film that "Canary Mission
is highly, highly effective to the extent that we monitor the Students for Justice in Palestine
and their allies."
In his recording, Milstein also talks about the need to "investigate" and "expose" critics
of Israel, who Milstein claims are anti-Semites, as well as "anti-Christian" and "anti-freedom"
activists who "terrorize us." His foundation also funds numerous anti-Palestinian organizations,
including the Israel on Campus Coalition ,
StandWithUs ,
CAMERA , the
AMCHA
Initiative and the FDD . Milstein also
funds and is chairman of the board of the Israeli-American Council. An Israeli-born California
based real estate developer, Milstein reportedly
served time in federal prison after a 2009 conviction for tax evasion.
An
Israeli spy at the University of California at Davis, Julia Reifkind also described to
Kleinfeld how the system worked at the campus level. She used multiple fake Facebook accounts
to monitor the activities of Students for Justice in Palestine. "I follow all the SJP accounts.
I have some fake names. My name is Jay Bernard or something. It just sounds like an old white
guy, which was the plan. I join all these groups." The information she obtained was then passed
on to her contact in the Embassy for forwarding on to Israel to be entered into their data base
of enemies.
So, Israel was engaging in interfering in legitimate political activity and also generating
fake news on the social media in both 2016 and 2018, the same accusation that has been leveled
against Moscow, but Special Counsel Robert Mueller seems curiously uninterested. And beyond the
al-Jazeera revelations, there is also the evidence that it was Israel that sought favors
from the incoming Trump Administration in 2016, not Russia. So who was actually corrupting
whom?
And then there are the more overt Israeli front groups like the American Israel Public
Affairs Committee (AIPAC) with its $100 million annual budget and 200 employees, as well as the
other special arrangements to pander to Israel and the powerful American Jews who have made it
their mission to use the U.S. government as a mechanism to protect and nurture Israel. Last
week in Los Angeles $60 million
was raised by Hollywood's finest for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), "Their Job is to Look
After Israel. Ours is to Look After Them," the website proclaims.
Last month, an additional $32 million was raised for the IDF in New York City. Donations are
tax exempt, to support the armed forces of a country that is currently engaged in war crimes
and that has a secret nuclear arsenal.
So, Israel was technically speaking not running in the 2018 election, but it was very much
in the race. Jewish Democrats are
already boasting how the presence of a couple of Israel critics in the House, who will be
"reeducated" on the Middle East, will make no difference, that the party will be solid for the
Jewish state with more Jewish congressmen than ever before. Indeed, the "special relationship"
bond will be stronger than ever.
Five committee chairmanships in the House of Representatives will be in the hands of
passionate Israel firsters, including Adam Schiff at the Intelligence Committee and Eliot Engel
at Foreign Affairs. On the Republican side, the House is already 100% in Israel's pocket. And
as part of the White House team we have John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. Donald Trump's Ambassador
to Israel David Friedman expressed the dual loyalty phenomenon best in a
recent speech . The United States is his "country of citizenship" but Israel is the country
he "loves so much."
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]
.
Gosh, I don't know where to start.
By God, Giraldi, you said a mouthful. Even two mouthfuls.
Where do we begin? I don't know. I am not a 'anti-Semite' or anti-Jew. As a matter of fact my
girlfriend for four years was Jewish. That's another story.
There appears to be a Jewish moneyed lobby, working in conjunction with other moneyed lobbies
to create a universal, one world government supervised by themselves. America was the first
to go. Next?
While I don't live in Va I was hoping for wins from congressional candidates Abigail
Spanberger and Leslie Cockburn. Unfortunately Cockburn was handed a defeat and while she was
probably always a longshot it undoubtedly didn't help that the journalist was questioned
about a book she co-authored in the 90′s (which I read).
The book – Dangerous Liaison – was not particularly controversial it
simply put forth what kind special relationship Israel has with its ally the US
(Iran-contra, Pollard Affair, USS Liberty, Dimona, et al). The type of information all
Americans should have a working knowledge of (but do not). Sorry Leslie, I was rooting for
you.
Sadly Crispin Blunt was taken down as Chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee and
replaced by execrable arch neocon and descendant of German Jews Tom Tugendhat. Blunt had
authored reports criticising government actions in Libya and Syria and was looking to
investigate the influence of lobbies on British policy in the Middle East.
The list of prominent politicians "taken down" by Israel is lengthy, and includes
Cynthia McKinney, Adlai Stevenson III, Paul Findley, Chuck Percy, William Fulbright, Roger
Jepsen, and Pete McCloskey.
I'm trying to think of a more recent example to make this point more relevant today and I
can only come up with Chuck Hagel even if it was done with velvet gloves.
No matter what sort of war crime Israel commits, no matter what level on interference crypto-Israeli donors and partisans
inject into America's political landscape, the Zionist nexus inside our civilization is now so embedded and untouchable that
its operatives can openly suborn US lawmakers while other Zionists initiate war (or use US power to do so) against rising
Mideast countries that Israel wants weakened, divided, or crushed.
Saddam's Iraq, Assad's Syria and Khadaffy's Libya discovered this the hard way.
Despite these slick machinations, there are few public protests, (((Media))) examinations, or movements inside America that
effectively oppose/thwart Israeli violence or the shrewd interference by Zionists in every US election since LBJ.
Why?
No one dares.
This, despite 1) Israel's possession of a rogue nuclear stockpile along with 2) Israel's multi-decade campaign to expel or
subjugate its native population of non-Jews, 3) Israel's ongoing acquisition of territory by force and 4) Israel's
trigger-happy propensity to annihilate (or harness US power to do so) any surrounding non-Jewish peoples (or nation) which
poses a potential "existential threat"to the Jewish state. (Palestine, Lebanon, Iran are you listening?)
Not only do American taxpayers subsidize and protect affluent Israel above beyond every other nation in world history, but
this oddball US commitment to the Zionist State is granted without precondition. That's right. It's unconditional. Israel's
extraordinary political privilege is astoundingly unique and uniquely dangerous.
Despite this political anomaly, in no US election (including the last one) is Zio-Washington's 'special relationship' with
nuclear-ready Israel ever an issue. Not one. Compare this to Washington's wild, unhinged obsession with Iran's non-nuclear
stockpile of weapons. America's irrational fear of Iran is an exotic delusion that's been cooked up by Zionists. Like Iraq and
Libya before it, Iran is slated for dismemberment. So stay tuned to your TVs for the latest news!
America's arranged but artificial marriage to the Zionist cause benefits Israel. Immensely. At the same time, it's cost us
trillions. Trillions. Oil embargos, annual billion-dollar aid packages, along with winless, trillion-dollar wars do gradually
add up. Yet political dissent remains muted. Taboo.
Anti-Semitism! (hush.) Meanwhile, America's pro-Zionist news and entertainment industries simplify, amplify, enable, and
solidify Israel's near-sacred status. No accident. You've heard the stories. You've heard the speeches. You've seen the films.
You've visited the museums.
Israel's unique untouchability allows it to rise above international constraints (with the assistance of Zio-Washington and
(((Big Media))) as it conducts military operations (and acts of war) that violate US laws, the UN Charter, as well as the
Geneva Conventions. Shouldn't this matter?
Certainly. But supreme victims enjoy supreme privileges.
Today, a tiny foreign power steers and shapes the policies and mindset of the world's most powerful civilization. No small
feat. No small threat.
Yep, Indian-Americans have not read it and do not seem that interested in Jews. Neither do Iranians. Catholics, which means
Irish and Italians on the East Coast and Latinos everywhere, do not seem to much care about Israel either.
Blacks in the US do not seem to much love Jews or care about Israel at all with the Muslim lunatic fringe of Farrakan etc.
deeply disliking them.
Apparently Evangelical Protestants of various sects love Jews for theological reasons and these people seem to have the
smallest piece of the pie these days.
Chinese, Indians, Iranian Muslims etc either are indifferent or detest Israel and yet they seem to be doing better than the
whites in the "bible belt".
Though a good number of rednecks who grew up singing old testament hymns would say that Jews deny their savior and don't
worship Jews.
@Z-man Charles
Freeman. His nomination to the NSC blocked by the Israeli lobby. Brilliant guy, career
foreign service officer and former U.S. ambassador.
American politicians love Israel because it legitimizes their own corruption. They can be
bought and paid for political whores without having to hide it. As soon as anyone points out
that they are selling out their own country, they can recite the magic "anti-semitism"
incantation to make the criticism go away.
Judaism is nothing more than a "service-to-self" ideology, characterized by negative concepts
(e.g. greed, selfishness, etc.) and incapable of forgiveness. It's absolutely immiscible with
any form of a "service-to-others" ideology.
Well sure they bought Congress. But Congress has been a vestigial constitutional appendix
ever since CIA sent Don Gregg to see the Church and Pike Committees. He threatened martial
law and that was that. Congress degenerated into a crooked pedo playpen with a single
function: deciding matters beneath CIA's notice with legalized peculation.
The three branches of the US government are still CIA, CIA, and CIA. The only interesting
development is the catastrophic collapse of CIA's aggression by sending of armed bands in
Syria. This latest, possibly terminal, failure has spurred a frenzy of finger-pointing. When
CIA wrecked Vietnam they blamed the Pentagon (see Prouty's The Secret Team) and everybody
fell for it. But now with Syria, CIA pretended the Jews made them do it. That failed the
laugh test, so now they're framing Amway shitstain Eric Prince.
Another words walk up to any Chinese-American (The ones in California have been in the US
longer than most East Coast ethnic whites like the Italians) or Indian-Americans and ask them
what they know or care to know about Jews or Israel. They will say zero.
You'd get something genuinely negative from the Iranian Muslim community out in Los
Angeles. And also a good number of blacks.
Hispanics know little about Israel. Did not stop Cubans from taking over Miami.
I don't know what you define as a "real American".
The Electronic Intifada has obtained a complete copy of The Lobby – USA, a four-part
undercover investigation by Al Jazeera into Israel's covert influence campaign in the United
States.
I suggest everyone watch all four episodes of this Doc.
@Baxter It's
more than just a moneyed lobby that has pulled this off for the past 100 years in america.
Much more. The Jewish mafia was heavily involved from the earliest days of the 20th century.
I highly recommend you all listen to this interview with Jeff Gates, someone who has as many
qualifications as any of the authors on Unz.com to talk about the Jewish lobby. The youtube
interviews with Jeff Gates are essential listening:
I wish I could find the quote but Jeff Gates thinks Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer's
"The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" is light weights. Somewhere he makes the
comment "anyone who compares the Jewish Lobby to other lobbies [like the dairy lobby] as if
the Jewish Lobby happens just to be a little more effective than the rest is missing the
point of the exercise here."
lol @ this article and these comments. Love the tears! Never was there a more deserving group
of people to feel dejected and demoralized.
I think the most hilarious part though was this one:
In fact, Americans have never had the option of voting on the "special relationship"
that Israel enjoys with the United States as no Congressman would dare run against it lest
they be smeared in the media and find themselves running against an extraordinarily well
funded opponent benefitting from large donations coming from out of state sources.
Public opinion polls have consistently, over decades, shown that Americans are pro-Israel.
The only exceptions are blacks, far leftist whites, and Muslims, and even the first two are
not overwhelmingly anti. The needle has hardly moved in decades.
Americans have had the chance to vote, over and over, every Congressional and Presidential
election for going on 40 years now, on whether US policy should be more pro-Iran and less
pro-Israel, and they have constantly chosen, with more consistency than basically any other
issue in that time period, to side with Israel. Complaining that there are -gasp-
organizations with money involved in this issue, even some from -gasp- out of
state , is hilarious and pathetic. Every issue in American politics has lobbyists and
national money flying around like crazy – guns, abortion, you name it. And every side
that loses in the court of public opinion says that they did so because of 'out of state'
money, even when they have more of it. Giraldi worked in government so he knows it, but why
have an honest perspective when you can enrage the hive?
You really can't come up with a more thorough rejection by the American people of a
political position than they have delivered, decade after decade, to the anti-Israel side.
The only side less popular than Iran lackeys in American discourse might be NAMBLA,
and even that is a close call.
America looks at the anti-Israel coalition and accurately sees a motley and pathetic mix
of Farrakhan FOI stompers, Borat-like Islamists, triggered blue-haired college screamers, and
Nazi-larping neckbeards, and says no thanks.
@Anonymous
Bullshit. Americans are only "pro-Israel" because that is all they hear from the media and
the politicians. And that is because Jews control the media and the politicians.
The Al-Jazeera documentary reveals that these fifth columnist spies and narcs are using a
definition of anti-Semitism from the U.S. State Dept. to crush dissent. This definition came
from none other than Hillary Clinton. I especially liked this line:
Applying double standards by requiring of [Israel] a behavior not expected or demanded
of any other democratic nation
They may want to rethink that one, as Israel fails pretty much all tests of the behavior of a
democratic nation, starting with being a democracy in the first place.
To think that Hillary, along with her fellow travelers like Victoria Nuland, are the
arbiters of what is or isn't anti-Semitism is quite a laugh.
Israel is just getting itself deeper and deeper into a quandary about what to do with the
Arabs in the occupied territories. They cannot be given full rights and there is not the
unsettled land to give them the state everyone including America pretends is going to be the
outcome of a temporarily stalled process. Israel is greasing the skids to disaster.
Indeed, bullshit! Why do you love Palestinians so much or conversely, dislike/hate Israelis
in equal measure?
Is it really the treatment of Christians of Arab origin in Judea and
Samaria that really galls you but won't say it out loud? If Jews are as powerful as you claim
they are, then why not just give them the Southern Lebanon, the Bekka Valley, the Gaza strip
and the Sainai Peninsula and ten billion dollars a year, which would be just a drop in the
bucket, to live us alone?
Why not resettle the most educated of all Arabs, the Palestinians,
in other Arab nations, and there're so many lands to choose from, but especially, Saudi
Arabia to help those gluttonous Afro-Semitic morons? Why egg on the Palestinians without
hope, to the discomfort of all humanity by giving the Jews the very excuse to hammer the
world with the exaggerated accusations of anti-Semitism? Why prolong what is inevitable and
how does it benefit, the people on whose behalf you are fuming?
As I said above, maybe start with the optics of all these Holocaust deniers, Borats,
Farrakhans, and blue-hairs. Look at who your articles attract – do you think
Americans like those people?
Most Americans are totally ignorant of the evil that has been done to their nation and the
West by Zionist Jews.
Most Americans are completely ignorant about the extent Zionist Jews control the
government of the United States and the media.
Most Americans know nothing about the role played by Zionist Jews in the mass murders
perpetrated by the communists in Russia and China.
Most Americans take the holocaust as gospel and believe the Jews have never harmed anyone
but have been the victims of the worst genocide in history.
Do not use the ignorance of the average American to claim that criticism of Zionist Jews
is irrational.
@Philip Giraldi
It is slightly amusing is it not to find that specious intervener illustrating part of your
case by appearing as Anonymous [272] and Anonymous [279] just a breath apart ..?
What do you think the reaction would be, and by whom, if a US politician proposed a
resolution "that Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state be supported until a majority of
Middle Eastern states by number and population, and all those contiguous to Israel, have
ended discrimination on grounds of religion"?
@RobinG He is known to be an Islam hater thus
unconditional support for Israel. This remark in itself is a proof how Israel is used to inflict havoc on the Islamic
civilization. Jews are the biggest beneficiaries of demonization of Islam. The mercenary terrorist army of CIA/Mossad is
called Islamic state.
@Z-man Liberal
Republican Senator Chuck Percy's takedown was particularly egregious and revealing.
He lost his position despite his popularity in Illinois politics. The deep pockets of The
Lobby and its control of the media (and the Republican Party) were simply too much for him to
counter.
After his senatorial defeat in 1985, The Lobby must have felt that an example must be made
of him. He then became a total nonperson both in politics and in the Washington DC social
scene which he chose to continue to reside in. He never spoke again (to my knowledge) before
any significant Republican Party event. In fact, his very name became a virtual dirty word in
Republican circles, right up there with the names of convicted child molesters or embezzlers.
Arch-Zionist Ronald Reagan enforced this shunning up until the end of his presidency.
Percy was no longer invited to appear in the mainstream media or speak before business or
academic groups. He simply disappeared.
Poof, like he had never been there in the first place.
When he died in 2011, many people In Washington were surprised. They had assumed he has
died decades before because of his blacklisting and the resulting invisibility.
Senator J. William Fulbright, a one-time icon of the left wing because of his opposition
to the Vietnam War was also quickly disposed of after he tried to oppose The Lobby and found
his left wing "friends" (along with their contributions) deserting him in droves.
Al this happened because they tried to be very slightly impartial about Israel.
Americans have had the chance to vote, over and over, every Congressional and
Presidential election for going on 40 years now, , and they have constantly chosen, with
more consistency than basically any other issue in that time period, to side with
Israel.
If that's true, then why are they spending such enormous sums of money to buy all of
Congress ? If the thing runs by itself, then why on God's green earth, does it need such
constant greasing of the skids ? Grant Smith of IRmep, who studies the financial pooling of
something like 200 Jewish organizations in the US, estimates I that together, they're
collecting money on the order of hundreds of millions of dollars from their diaspora and
lunatic Christian sects. This money is then used to buy Congress lock stock and barrel and
then to force it, among other things, to sign over billions in "aid" to Israel.
You poor child, were you not aware of any of this ? And you just thought the sniveling
prostrations and groveling our elected "leaders" perform each year at the AIPAC conference or
on their campaigns is all spontaneous ? Dear, dear, there is better quality acting at the
AIPAC conference than there ever was at any Oscar show or in any therein nominated film.
Face it, Israel is no different. Both sides are mustering money and influence, and you
lost fair and square in the court of public opinion.
Oh, but you might have the perspective a tad off; the fight may be just beginning.
It may be that in the past, Israel's friends might well have exercised power which easily
swung in their direction, but there may not have been much at stake for everyone else. Maybe
the fight wasn't worth it if you disagreed, but there could come a time when the balance
sheet of liabilities might begin to swing in the other direction. I sincerely hope you'll
maintain your sportsmanship attitude when that time comes, as it inevitably always does.
It seems like these facts are likely to increase anti-Semitism even against those who don't
deserve to be subjects of prejudice, since this reveals the colonial nature of the
Anglosphere.
I don't recall the chief beneficiary of any other lobby helping to lie America into a war
with muslims that has since metastasized into pandemic proportions. I also don't recall any
other lobby beneficiary running interference for one of its compatriots who happened to
inflict the worst damage to American intelligence in its history. Come to think of it, this
very same beneficiary has been caught repeatedly committing espionage against America ~ a
crime which, if committed by any other actor, would warrant severe punishment ~ yet received
no punitive consequences for it.
@exiled off mainstreet But, as you admit, they
are FACTS. And, as such, must be disseminated to the uninformed and ignorant Americans.
If it does cause anti-Semitism, which is becoming as meaningless term as racism, how are the Anglos at fault? Whose
behavior is going to cause this resentment and blowback? Its certainly not the British! The British haven't been colonial for
quite awhile.
However the USA has become a colonial vassal for Israel. So who is the imperial power now?
You
are correct. Israel is the only country to flout the Symington Amendment, which mandates that
"foreign aid" be denied to any country that has not signed the "Nuclear Non-Proliferation"
agreement and refuses to allow International Atomic Energy Agency inspections of their
nuclear facilities.
Add to that, AIPAC and many other pro-Israel organizations that have not registered as
"agents of a foreign government" as required by American law.
Be sure to watch The Lobby USA to see how treacherous our illegitimate govt. has become.
It gives you an idea of how these 6,000,000 Jewish lobbies work around the clock spying on,
blackmailing, subverting our govt. here in occupied America. They're letting these agents of
a hostile and repressive govt. (Israel) run around the US spying on Americans, using
blackmail, extortion, threats, violating their Constitutional rights. Nobody in Washington
seems to care. How long before Israel is assassinating American citizens for exercising their
rights?
Sheldon Adelson was at the White House watching the results of the midterm elections with
his puppet Trump, eating pizza, "mini" hotdogs, and burgers. No joke. He's started his own
lobby called IAC – Israeli American Council, thats even more extreme that AIPAC.
All traitors, all loyal to Israel. Republicans are owned by the Zionists and war
profiteers folks. Democrats not any better. All traitors.
As the British were bankrupted by an unnecessary war with Germany, the "New American Century"
isn't shaping up very well two decades in. 6T in additional debt from fighting Middle Eastern
wars for Israel is the biggest reason why, and there is no end in sight.
I actually don't think Israel has that much genuine organic political support among
Americans. It is all held together with media-fed illusions and threats.
@Cal Eyefornia'I agree with you. Lots of anti-Semitic nonsense on this site, e.g. "where are all the
millions buried?" (How about: all over Europe and Russia, cretins.) While the number of Jews
murdered by Nazis may be, say, half of the "official" figure (still horrific), the lunatic
fringe here won't provide their own figure (likely because they think it's zero). They
actually believe Hitler was a nice guy and every Jew in the world is a member of the "Jew
Illuminati." They think Israel bosses the USA around, and is the world's big dog that wags
the tail. They laughably point to people like Henry Ford and anti-Semitic sites like
codoh.com as "unbiased" sources for debate. They all need to "get a life."'
Well, Israel does boss the US around, and is inarguably one of the world's 'big dogs,'
which, for a nation the size of Honduras or Togo, does call for an explanation.
@exiled off
mainstreet'It seems like these facts are likely to increase anti-semitism even
against those who don't deserve to be subjects of prejudice, since this reveals the colonial
nature of the Anglosphere.'
Nu? The Holocaust increased bigotry directed at Germans, and Pearl Harbor didn't do much
for the popularity of Japanese.
Compared to these two groups, Jews are overwhelmingly supportive of their chosen evil.
It'd be damned strange if they didn't wind up having to pay.
@Tyrion 2 Jews
don't possess military power. They possess the benefit of a verbal dexterity and business
savvy that allows them to network in order to control banks and media.
You cannot conquer. You can only manipulate.
It is the difference between Mike Tyson threatening to kick your ass and Charles Manson
hypnotizing you.
The Unites States of America is effectively owned and controlled by Jews
How about The US of A is effectively colonized by the Zionists ?
All the noise and nonsense about Russian interference in American elections pale in
comparison to decisions on America's elected reps right to the President requiring Zionist
approval before they can win their seats. The control is total and absolute. This coming from
a country which depends on our tax dollars to maintain their criminal activities. And now the
push is on for WWIII forcing us to brinkmanship with the Russians in Syria and Europe. This
is an unprecedented abdication of US sovereignty.
I can't read all the responses, but I caught yours.
Look at it this way. 537 politicians in Washington, DC know 9-11 was a zionist jewish
operation and not a word out of any of them. Maybe a few are slow or hopelessly naive about
israel, so bump that number down to, say, 530. And again, not a peep.
537 of our "leaders" know israel was behind 9-11 yet they gave Netanyahu the record for
standing ovations during a speech. Think of how profound that fact is. Pure traitors.
Chistopher Bollyn once mentioned the point that not one college or high school has a
course or class on what subject is the 9-11 attacks. Suspicious, isn't it?
@Anonymous When
do you EVER see Jewish missionaries trying to convert people? I've seen Mormons and Catholics
overseas trying to convert people. But not Jews. When Jews do convert locals it is for
pussy-some ancient handful of males settle somewhere like Ethiopia or Italy and marry local
women. But it is not for salvation. Only for their pussies.
Part of this is empathy. The Christian sees the poor and disenfranchised and wants to
assist. The Korean shopkeeper in a black ghetto does not give a shit what the blacks believe
in and just wants his money.
@Anonymous "
maybe start with the optics of all these Holocaust deniers.."
– Why don't we start with the "optics" of Jewish Bolsheviks and their murderous
hatred towards Russians and Russian culture? Millions died in the labor camps (run and
"improved" by the Jewish administrators, see Naftali Frenkel), in the chambers of secret
police (see Yagoda and Berman), and in the villages of Ukraine and Kazakhstan during
Holodomor (courtesy of certain Kaganovich).
The most important "deniers" of today are Nuland-Kagan (the organizer of pro-neo-Nazi
putsch in Ukraine), Knesset (the provider of Ukrainian neo-Nazi with Israel-made rifles), and
the zionized US Congress that has been supporting the neo-Nazi-infested Ukranian
government.
And do not forget the profiteering and amoral ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center that both
refused to support the Conyers amendment: "If passed, Conyers' amendment would have
explicitly barred those found to have offered "praise or glorification of Nazism or its
collaborators, including through the use of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, or other similar
symbols" from receiving any form of support from the US Department of Defense. The ADL and
Wiesenthal Center refused to support Jeffries and Conyers' proposal."
https://www.alternet.org/world/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis
P.L. 115-141, the FY 2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following
for Israel:
· $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore
procurement;
· $705.8 million for joint U.S.-Israeli missile defense projects, including $92
million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3
million for Arrow 2;
· $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;
· $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;
· $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and
water technologies;
· $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation
(BIRD) Energy program; and
· The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through
fiscal year 2019.
For FY2019, the Trump Administration is requesting an additionl $3.3 billion in Foreign
Military Financing for Israel and $500 million in missile defense aid to mark the first year
of the new MOU. The Administration also is seeking $5.5 million in Migration and Refugee
Assistance (MRA) funding for humanitarian migrants to Israel.
Israeli and American Jewish actions detailed in the article make perfect sense when you come
to realize that the US is no longer a sovereign nation at its core. The US only has a facade
of being one.
The facade is starting to crumble both because of the internet and Jewish arrogance.
Consequently, the goys are the beneficiaries of more censorship of bad thoughts. The plan is
to use increased censorship to prevent the facade from crumbling sufficiently to expose the
reality to the masses. Any empire wants to keep its colonies in line
America looks at the anti-Israel coalition and accurately sees a motley and pathetic mix
of Farrakhan FOI stompers, Borat-like Islamists, triggered blue-haired college screamers,
and Nazi-larping neckbeards, and says no thanks.
It seems apparent that you took exception (a sudden high blood pressure alert is making
you post this response?) to my expose on the role of Jewish slavery [as the videos of Dr.
Louis Farrakhan, who also happens to be AGAINST usury and in conjunction with PEACE--like
most of Christindom] (and I did not even include the Roman/Greek periods and the hand that
was attributed to the Jewish predominant role in slavery). But do continue because .
it will expose this inhumane dominance of slavery–just like it still exists today.
RE (original reference included here):
Why do the supremacist Jews refuse to take accountability in their role for slavery?:
"What do you think the reaction would be, and by whom, if a US politician proposed a resolution "that Israel's right
to exist as a Jewish state be supported until a majority of Middle Eastern states by number and population, and all those
contiguous to Israel, have ended discrimination on grounds of religion"?"
Not sure what you are on about. Iraq was a secular state until invaded by the USA, which churned things up politically .
Syria has traditionally been a tolerant state that was home to one of the oldest Christian commujities, and a number of
different Islamic groups. Libya was a secular state–no state religion in Libya that I know of.
It is the US and Zionist ally, Saudi Arabia, that is the most religiously intolerant state in the ME and also the biggest
exporter of religious fanaticism.
Israel is the only [Religious designation] State in the ME -- no, in the whole world. I am unaware of the existence of a
Christian State, an Islamic State (except the caliphate), a Buddhist State, a Zoroastrian State. Israel is the most intolerant
state on the planet.
Ben Norton & guys like you give me hope that our country could still become saved by
"facts and a timeline."
As you know, Israeli crimes foisted upon upon the divided-Homeland, including unnecessary,
immoral, & ruinously expensive wars against "rogue/foes," for example, Afghanistan, Iraq,
Libya, Syria, Yemen, and likely soon Iran, NEVER NEVER NEVER require presentation of solid
evidence to dumb-goyim trained 'Merkins.
Disgusting. Embarrassing. A Yinon Plan underway for the USA! Ycch. I am pissed.
Along with partner Corporate Media-conspirators, The New York Times editorial board
deserves instant "regime change" because of their theatrical complicity with our treasonous
Zio Congress and Executive Branch.
What do you think the reaction would be, and by whom, if a US politician proposed a
resolution "that Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state be supported until a majority of
Middle Eastern states by number and population, and all those contiguous to Israel, have
ended discrimination on grounds of religion"?
How typically ridiculous.
The reaction we should see would be to the statement that we will not support Israel as
long as it occupies Palestine and discriminates against non Jews in Israel.
Israel is a midget Nazi state not a democracy.
To Durruti, Ilyana Rozumova wrote: "I am certain that you do not know this. Medusa's
"hair" signifies the bad ideas coming out from women head. Did you notice how many women in
US are engaging in politics?
.
US is doomed!!!!"
Broken Scranton greetings, I.R.
Taking off from your having mentioned "Medusa," & (with no pun), I do not know if you
domicile in ZUSA, but linked below is a unique scene from Arnon Milchan's 1978 film, "The
Medusa Touch."
The movie turns "bad hair day" when a Boeing 747 crashes into the Pan Am Building in NYC!
Uh, where did Arnon Milchan get such precognitive inspiration?
First, let's begin by getting myth #1 out of the way: the notion that Americans don't like
wars. That is totally false. Americans hate losing wars, but if they win them, they absolutely
love them. In other words, the typical US reaction to a war depends on the perceived outcome of
that war. If it is a success they love it (even if it is a turkey-shoot like Desert Storm). If
it is a deniable defeat (say the US/NATO air operations against Serbian forces in Kosovo or the
total clusterbleep in Grenada) they will simply "forget" it. And if it is an undeniable defeat
(say Iraq or Afghanistan) then, yes, indeed, most Americans will be categorically opposed to
it.
Veterans of foreign wars? Wait, I was not aware that there were any other types of vets!
Next is myth #2: the truth is that no US serviceman or woman has fought a war in defense of
the US since at least WWII (and even this one is very debatable considering that the US forced
Japan to wage war and since the attack on Pearl Harbor was set-up as a pretext to then attack
Japan). Since 1945 there has not been a single situation in which US soldiers defended their
land, their towns, their families or their friends from an aggressor. Not one ! All the
wars fought by the US since 1945 were wars of aggression, wars of choice and most of them were
completely illegal to boot (including numerous subversive and covert operations). At most, one
can make the argument that US veterans defended the so-called "American way of life," but only
if one accepts that the said "American way of life" requires and mandates imperialist wars of
aggression and the wholesale abandonment of the key concepts of international law.
Finally, there is the ugly dirty little secret that everybody knows but, for some reason,
very few dare to mention: the decision to join the (all volunteer) US military is one primarily
based on financial considerations and absolutely not some kind of generous "service" of the
motherland for pure, lofty, ideals. Yes, yes, I know -- there were those who did join the US
military after 9/11 thinking that the US had been attacked and that they needed to help bring
the fight to those who attacked the US. But even with a very modest degree of intelligence, it
should have become pretty darn obvious that whether 9/11 was indeed the work of Bin Laden and
al-Qaeda or not (personally I am absolutely certain that this was a controlled demolition) --
this atrocity was used by the US government to justify a long list of wars which could not have
possibly had anything to do with 9/11. Hey, after all, the US decided to attack Iraq (which
self-evidently had nothing to do with 9/11) and not the KSA (even though most of the putative
hijackers were Saudis and had official Saudi backing). Besides, even if some folks were not
smart enough to see through the lies and even if THEY believed that they joined the US military
to defend the US, why would the rest of us who by 2018 all know that the attack on Iraq was
purely and solely based on lies, "thank" veterans for stupidly waging war for interests they
cannot even identify? Since when do we thank people for making wrong and, frankly, immoral
decisions?!
Let me repeat that truism once again, in an even more direct way: veterans are killers
hired for money. Period. The rest is all propaganda.
In a normal sane world, one would think that this is primarily a moral and ethical question.
I would even say a spiritual one. Surely major religions would have something relevant and
clarifying to say about this? Well, in the past they did . In fact, with some slight variations , the
principles of what is called a "just war" have been known in the West since at least Augustine
of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas. According to one source they are:
A just
war can only be waged as a last resort . All non-violent options must be
exhausted before the use of force can be justified. A war is just only if it is waged by a
legitimate authority . Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by
individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and
outsiders to the society deem legitimate. A just war can only be fought to redress a
wrong suffered . For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered
to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient -- see point #4).
Further, a just war can only be fought with "right" intentions: the only permissible objective
of a just war is to redress the injury. A war can only be just if it is fought with a
reasonable chance of success . Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are
not morally justifiable. The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace
. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that
would have prevailed if the war had not been fought. The violence used in the war must be
proportional to the injury suffered . States are prohibited from using force not
necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered. The weapons used
in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants . Civilians are
never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians.
The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate
attack on a military target.
Modern religions for war
(Check out this article for a
more thorough discussion of this fascinating topic)
Now Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas are hardly heroes of mine, but they are considered
as very authoritative in western philosophical thought. Yet, when checked against this list of
criteria, all the wars fought by the US are clearly and self-evidently totally unjust :
all of them fail on several criteria, and most of them (including the attack on Iraq and
Afghanistan) fail on all of them!
But there is no need to go far back into the centuries to find authoritative western
thinkers who clearly denounce unjust wars. Did you know that the ultimate crime under
international law is not genocide or crimes against humanity?
Robert H Jackson
Nope, the supreme crime under international law is the crime of aggression. In the words of
the chief American prosecutor at Nuremberg and Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the
United States, Robert
H. Jackson , the crime of aggression is the supreme crime because "it contains within itself the accumulated
evil" of all the other war crimes. He wrote: " To initiate a war of aggression,
therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crimediffering only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil
of the whole ."
So from the 4th century through the 20th century, the people of the West always knew what a
just war was, and they fully understood that starting such a war is the supreme evil crime
under international law. But this goes beyond just major wars. Under international law, the
crime of "aggression" does not only refer to a full-scale military attack. Aggression
can be defined as
the execution of any one of the following acts:
Declaration of war upon
another State. Invasion by its armed forces, with or without a declaration of war, of the
territory of another State. Attack by its land, naval or air forces, with or without a
declaration of war, on the territory, vessels or aircraft of another State. A naval blockade of
the coasts or ports of another State. Provision of support to armed bands formed in its
territory which have invaded the territory of another State, or refusal, notwithstanding the
request of the invaded State, to take, in its own territory, all the measures in its power to
deprive those bands of all assistance or protection.
Finally, it is important to note here that by these authoritative legal definitions,
every single US President is a war criminal under international law! This, in
turn, begs the question of whether all the wars fought by US soldiers since 1945 were indeed
waged by a legitimate authority (as mentioned by Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas above)?
How can that be when the Commander in Chief himself is a war criminal?
Let's sum it up so far: we have folks who agree to become killers (or
killer-assistants), who do that primarily for financial reasons , who then
only participate in illegal and immoral wars of aggression and
whose commander in chief is a war criminal .
War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most
profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the
only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is
best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the
people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit
of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war, a few people make huge
fortunes.
If we agree that war is, indeed, a "racket" and that it is conducted "for the benefit of the
very few" then it would make sense for these "very few" to express their gratitude to those
whom they hired to enrich them. And, in fact, they do. Here is the best example of that:
Corporation for war (well, that at least makes sense!)
Of course, Google is no more dependent on wars of aggression than any other US corporation.
The very nature of the US economy is based on war and has always been based on war. The
so-called "American way of life" but without wars of aggression has never been attempted in the
past, and it won't be attempted for as long as the US remains the cornerstone of the
AngloZionist Empire and the world hegemony it seeks to impose on the rest of mankind. But until
that day arrives the "American way of life" will always imply wars of aggression and the mass
murder of innocent people whose only "sin" is to dare to want to live free and not be a slave
to the Empire. If you believe that those who dare to want to live free in a truly sovereign
country deserve to be murdered and maimed, then yes November 15,
2018 at 5:56 am GMT
Within this context one ought to mention the "Crime of Aggression":
"A Crime of Aggression is a specific type of crime where a person plans, initiates, or
executes an act of aggression using state military force that violates the Charter of the
United Nations. The act is judged as a violation based on its character, gravity, and
scale.[1]
Acts of aggression include invasion, military occupation, annexation by the use of force,
bombardment, and military blockade of ports."
Since 1945 there has not been a single situation in which US soldiers defended their
land, their towns, their families or their friends from an aggressor. Not one!
99% of soldiers became soldiers because it was the best available job, it had nothing to do
with patriotism or love of country. Puting them on a pedestal is an invention of politicians
trying to glorify the job so as to suck in more soldiers.
All this thanking is purely pro-forma bullshit. At every NBA game there is a halftime moment
when some "hero among us" usually a veteran, is honored. More often than not he spent his
time in the military in front of a computer screen in Nevada. I would bet that not a single
one of all the thousands who attended these games could identify one of these "heroes among
us" by name five minutes after they honored them. It's all empty ritual, a bitter fraud just
like the rest of American public life.
The most interesting in this topic is the dichotomy between the blatantly obvious that Saker
writes about -- that US military person is the lowest level of a mercanairy that the World
has ever seen, which most of the rest of the World is so acutely aware of and the military
"service" taboo built in the US. Did Saker really need to explain that US military is only
about killing of the defenders and their innocent? To who did this need explaining? To
cretins such as Intelligent Dasein, who think that declaring himself pro-Russian gives him
the high moral point to attack the messenger of his own emptiness (not all veterans can write
Born on the 4th of July, can they?). Talk about "never learn anything"! This just shows how
pointless this breaking of US taboos totally is. The World will continue on just as was
before this article, the moral-less and mind-less US shitbags will keep joining the military
racket "for scholarships" or some shyte like that until US ends up taking on some real
"enemy" who will bring this taboo down but not with words then with "Kinetic Action" that
will turn the tables on US shitbag military.
I have this mental image of US towns looking like Hiroshima with only this Stavro's
Pizza advertisement still standing as a poignant reminder of the God himself having been
recruited into the gang of its former military rapists and killers for profit and for
pleasure.
Dissidents in 1968 justified their resistance to the war on just those grounds -- that the
USA was not directly under attack and was not threatened by Vietnamese aggression. And went
on to say that were the homeland of the USA threatened, then they would man up and defend
their country. So, it's not that they were unpatriotic or cowards, it's that they would only
fight a morally justifiable, defensive war.
Well, now the nation is under siege. Hordes of invaders swarm across our southern border
like a plague of locusts. Hundreds of thousands are shipped here from Africa and the Middle
East and dropped like cockroaches in our midst.
And where do the 1960′s protestors position themselves with respect to these threats
to the homeland today? They meekly acquiesce. They stand down, shrivel and roll over. Now,
when it is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country, they still protest
-- but in favor of the invaders.
I understand where the author is coming from. However, WHY does he continue to live in the
US? His tax dollars are funding the war machine. Why not pick up and move elsewhere, for
example Russia, in the case of the Saker?
"Are the powerful of the world going to just sit by and watch their fortunes be destroyed?
Are the potentates of the Banana Republics that Smedley Butler campaigned in any different
in their aims or any less ferocious in their means? No, of course not."
One of the problems the West faces is the post-Nuremberg phenomenon.
The Nazis were scum, and they killed a lot of people, and they lost, and so most of the
leadership got shot. It is what you call revenge, and it is this instinct when channeled
becomes justice. I will not cry for Eichmann, even though he committed no crime, he got what
he deserved.
Now, the West manufactured a load of bullshit to justify the result the West wanted (which
was revenge), and now we are stuck with the bullshit, and people like Saker cite the bullshit
to bad mouth America. Time to dump the bullshit, although the hordes of shitlibs who would
kick and scream about it would be deafening.
@Tulip
Just War doctrine is a handy guide for statesmen, inasmuch as wickedness is often also
stupidity (our warmaking has mostly been an exercise in stupidity). Adherence to JW doctrine
would have kept us out of most of our wars as well as mitigating some of the worst excesses
committed by US forces in those wars.
DON'T .blame the Working Class White Male Teenagers who are signing up .for they face what
is basically this:the career opportunities of a slave ..they are "choosing" from a range of
career choices available to a chattel slave effectively
The real criminals are the adults ..
Among other things .California's technological labor markets have been handed over to the
Chinese and Hindu ."Americans" ..
As long as US sees itself as globo-cop, its military men will not be seen as mercenaries but
as centurions, Team America, to keep the order around the world.
Sometimes, US presence is stabilizing IF the US plays a disinterested neutral role as an
impartial judge. But ever since Jewish Power took over the US, the US military is essentially
a corrupt globo-cop that does the bidding of Kosher Nostra.
First, let's begin by getting myth #1 out of the way: the notion that Americans don't
like wars. That is totally false. Americans hate losing wars, but if they win them, they
absolutely love them. In other words, the typical US reaction to a war depends on the
perceived outcome of that war. If it is a success they love it (even if it is a
turkey-shoot like Desert Storm). If it is a deniable defeat (say the US/NATO air operations
against Serbian forces in Kosovo or the total clusterbleep in Grenada) they will simply
"forget" it. And if it is an undeniable defeat (say Iraq or Afghanistan) then, yes, indeed,
most Americans will be categorically opposed to it.
Saner Americans hate war, but Hollywood loves it- particularly when war can be used as an
instrument of Zionist propaganda, or to draw sympathy towards international Jewry and its
enablers.
This has been the case since the First World War. Hymiewood has had a love affair with
American foreign policy ever since Woodrow Wilson entered the "war to end all wars", for the
single reason that American war policy has been international Jewish (and British)
policy.
The fact that the US military stands ready to repel an armed invader makes it unnecessary for
them to actually do so, and for that much they deserve thanks. But the last time a foreign
power attacked the United States was 1812 (Hawaii wasn't a state during WW2).
I won't bash the troops, but I won't thank them, either. Financial considerations aside, I
believe that most of those who join do believe they're doing the right thing. Good
intentions, however, don't bring the victims of unnecessary US wars back to life.
The Saker appears to be taking a lot of incoming fire for having a go at the sainted american
soldier boy most of whom are dumb-full-of-cum twenty-something morons with no conception they
are there to simply advance the megalomaniacal objectives of the insane bloodthirsty jooies.
The dummy american service guy does the bombing of mostly civilians, the dummy american pols
provide the cover, and the dummy american taxpayer picks up the tab. Since censorship by the
vile jooie Cock Cutting Cult is near 100% in the good ole usa, there are very few forums
where this view can be expressed.
Interesting article. There are some points that probably should have been supported with
citations to research. For instance, I suspect the percentage of those who become police
officers for reasons other than money is probably quite a bit higher than 1%. But overall, a
very interesting, non-mainstream presentation.
@Simply
Simon Care to explain WTC Bldg 7? A few whiffs of smoke come out of it and down it goes.
How about the initial pictures of the 20′ diameter hole in the Pentagon facade that a
Boeing 757 supposedly caused? The wings, turbines, 40′ tall fin, bodies could not have
fit through the 20′ hole, yet they are nowhere to be seen in the initial pictures. Care
to concoct an explanation? Oh, that's right. Your hero Senor Freddie says the 20′hole
was caused by some large round object lacking wings, a fin, turbines .possibly a giant flying
burrito.
"(T)he truth is that no US serviceman or woman has fought a war in defense of the US since at
least WWII (and even this one is very debatable considering that the US forced Japan to wage
war and since the attack on Pearl Harbor was set-up as a pretext to then attack Japan)."
The deal between the government and the citizenry is a contractual agreement, so contract
theory should apply. In respect to your cogent argument, here is my take on that
application.
From Pearl Harbor to the phony Gulf of Tonkein Resolution through the ridiculous Domino
Theory, 911 and WMD, right to the present there is a distinct element of fraud that
invalidates the call to all the ensuing wars and that is Fraud in the Inducement. A contract
is invalid if you are fraudulently induced to engage in it. That gives all GIs and citizens
the moral right of redress against the government that lied them into war. It's been tried in
court (USSC: Sullivan v McNamara) and didn't fly, because the SC sold out.
Governments are corrupt entities, but citizens are free moral agents. Your argument is
correct: when you enlist you assign your moral agency and agree to be used by whomever you
have submitted to. Smedley Butler is a true hero who went to the mountain and returned to
lead people to truth: war is a racket.
I like this article. We need to cultivate a spirit of resistance to the bullshit that
parades before us. It's a scam and we should be cautious of anyone in epaulets.
@Renoman
Absolutely correct. The impoverished countries of Ireland and Scotland along with the
slums of London provided the bulk of the British Imperial Army . These poor sods had the
choice of starvation or a bloody battlefield death and they died by the millions in order to
keep the ruling class rich. I will grant the British upper class officers a pass because so
many of them died in the trenches because of their indoctrination in the "dulce et decora
est" public school education.
@Rex
Little German U-Boats did a lot of sinkings up and down the Florida coastline in WW2, and
put spies onshore on Long Island; both were close enough to call them an attack on The
Homeland.
"None -- because of our military. If the Army, Navy and Air Force were to completely
disband, any number of countries could land troops. Might have a hard time pacifying the
whole country, but they could do a hell of a lot of looting."
Yeah, they're doing a bang-up job stopping the invasion at Tijuanna.
Overall, a good article, IMHO (save a couple of minor details which doesn't change the main
points).
The crux, probably, is (slightly edited):
The very nature of the US economy is based on war and has always been based on war. The
so-called "American way of life" but without wars of aggression has never been attempted in
the past, and it won't be attempted for as long as the US remains the cornerstone of the
AngloZionist Empire and the world hegemony it seeks to impose on the rest of mankind. But
until that day arrives the "American way of life" will always imply wars of aggression and
the mass murder of innocent people whose only "sin" is to dare to not want to be a part of
the Empire.
Now .there IS a point he carefully avoids along his usual angle "Bad Anglos". ALL Empires
have done the same. That's the very definition of Empire. Hehe including his bellowed (from
away, naturally, in USA of all places) Russia.
But let's suppose that the US had no imperial military. So in that case, the US would
face the "threat" (Americans' favorite word) of a Canadian, or Mexican, or Guatemalan, or
Nicaraguan or Chinese! or Russian!! invasion?
Clearly, you have no idea of what the military invasion of a country really entails, nor
have you any sense of what the consequences of such actions have been historically.
@Jett
Rucker It surprised me that the Saker did not acknowledge the millions of draftee's --
not just we who are of the Vietnam generation, but going back to the war of northern
aggression. The military draft is akin to slavery, in that the other choices are jail or
fleeing the country.
I don't need or want any thanks for my time in hell -- especially 40-50 years late. I was
part of an obscene violation of another countries sovereignty, and some of what I did and saw
still haunts me to this day. Many other vets I know feel the same way.
Aside from that one omission, Saker is pretty much spot on. Of course, as several
commentators show, the truth is not always welcome. Smedly Butler is one of my military
heroes for speaking truth to power. The so called war on terror is a wet dream come true for
the mic we were warned about so many years ago
As for those out there who are still denying what was obvious to some on 9-11-2001, a new
book out could be very enlightening. 9/11 Unmasked takes various aspects of the official
"story" and presents the evidence that puts the lie to that "story" Read with an open mind if
you dare.
It is petty to identify all soldiers as active war criminals or as enablers. In this country
the military actions are ordered by elected representatives. The military men obey the orders
of civilian leaders. No doubt many question the wisdom of the orders given but they accept
that it is not their decision where and when to fight. God help the world if decisions were
made by military hierarchies.
Unfortunately effective military action requires hierarchies. If every soldier made his
own tactical decisions a military force would be ineffective. Most would run or quit when the
ordinance was incoming.
Many join the military because there are limited economic opportunities, and there are
some who are rather dull and wouldn't fare well in market competition for labor. Don't we all
find employment because we need some money and there are limited ways to earn. Personally I'd
like to be an astrophysicist and spend my working days on interesting and fulfilling
problems. It would also be pleasant if all tedious tasks were done by others. Alas the market
for this profession is tiny. I had to work where there was a market for my services and I
experienced plenty of drudgery including working for idiotic bosses.
The soldier or sailor lives in a kind of monastic order. He must obey the hierarchy even
when these leaders are incompetent. He faces the possibility of death or serious injury even
if he supplies soda machines on a ship. Some respect is due to one who accepts this
discipline. He accepts, by his actions, the primacy of civilian control of war-making. He
should be censored if he commits atrocities but can't be held accountable for political
decisions by others.
Jeering at sargeants or lieutenants might feel good but it is a fatuous frame of mind. We
always have needed soldiers and that is not going to change.
One legitimate post WW II action was the first Gulf War. Bush the elder received the
congressional approval. At the time almost everyone believed there was finite oil in the
world. Iraq invaded Kuwait then massed troops on the Saudi border. That was a threat to our
perceived interests. Once Saddam was vanquished Bush had the sense to refrain from invading
Iraq. I don't like Bush I much but he did the right things given the knowledge available at
the time.
@Patricus
Yes but wasn't it the US dominated proceedings that established the precedent that "just
following orders" was an unacceptable defence and wasn't it a US dominated military coalition
punishment that caused many thousands of deaths by starvation and exposure post WWII?
@Johnny
Rico Yes, you in particular should ignore the comment. Excellent screen name, though.
Just read the Starship Troopers book for the first time earlier this year and enjoyed it
thoroughly, though I was surprised how short it was. Would have liked a series of books along
those lines.
until US ends up taking on some real "enemy" who will bring this taboo down but not with
words then with "Kinetic Action" that will turn the tables on US shitbag military.
Yeah, I see them all lining up outside my house right now!
No, if America goes down, it will be from enemies within.
Enirely concur with your lucid article. One might add (perhaps in another article), that for
the simple reason of being an empire, the US is a violent rogue state. After all, empires are
ipso facto violent, since they must keep a variety of other states and peoples under
permanent control and this can only be achieved by way of violence.
Here, an empire works exactly like a maffia family: the boss is the supreme authority
deciding over life and death. Whoever stands up to him is annihilated, mutilated, or
humiliated. In inverse order, these are the three stages of violence at the disposal of the
boss. If he wants to preserve his authority, he is compelled to use these techniques, which
makes him, in a sense also the victim of the system he represents.
So it is with the US empire. The leader in the White Madhouse has no choice but to export
mass murder to all corners of the world. Not doing so would entail the collapse of the
imperial system.
And don't forget WTC Bldg 7, which was not hit by a fuel-leaking plane at all, and yet
pancaked down just like the towers. And by the way, a BBC reporter reported the bldg 7
collapse occurred -- past tense -- 20 minutes BEFORE the collapse happened. Oops.
@Tulip I
would not disagree with you completely, although I doubt that the Chinese and the Russians
would have the foresight to finish off the US cesspool when given an internal chance.
But my main point was that the human-looking smelly excrement always calls upon the higher
authority of God when doing the worst possible crimes. This is where US excells even over its
Western "partners" -- the utilitarianism of religion -- that is employing God in the
collective endeavours of rape, pillage and murder. This is the main reason I am
anti-religious although not atheist at all.
"God bless you for your service of rape, pillage and murder for our shared profit and
enjoyment."
Stop accusing the war profiteers for the wars and understand that it is the whole horrible
society.
@Patricus
The "First Gulf War" was as illegitimate and illegal an operation as all the other US acts of
international piracy during the 20th century. Bush I is as much a war criminal as Bush II.
The entire First Gulf War was a set-up, a trap, designed to give the US a permanent
foothold in the region. At the expense of thousands of human lives. During an interview the
US diplomat April Glaspie had with Saddam immediately before he invaded Kuweit, she did not
voice any objections to his designs. Thus Saddam was led to believe he could count on US
support.
Yet mind you, I do not suggest Saddam would be a more decent person than either Bush II or
his daddy. A guy like Saddam, who appoints as his official food taster the son of the palace
cook is truly a perverted individual. And like most politicians in high office everywhere and
at all times, he was also a psychopath and did not shirk from killing fellow human beings.
Often for futile reasons.
@Patricus
"He must obey the hierarchy even when these leaders are incompetent. He faces the possibility
of death or serious injury even if he supplies soda machines on a ship. Some respect is due
to one who accepts this discipline. "
So a person voluntarily gives up his/her freedom of action and freedom to make moral
choices and "some respect is due" ? You, sir, are a brainwashed fool and you deserve to be
killed by one of these lazy, amoral, toadies. Your justification for these losers to join the
military is because they lack the confidence and ability to feed themselves any other way and
that they have such low levels of morality that they would gladly give up those crumbs for
shit on a shingle?
And the "humans" (I use the term loosely) who do this are due respect? These lazy, amoral,
shit eaters would gladly kill other people who have made the not so difficult choice to use
their god-given skills and abilities to survive in a peaceful manner trying to avoid harming
others.
I say better these these lazy, murderous, automatons, these moral mutants, this pestilence
on the human race be enclosed in a stadium and encouraged to fight each other until they are
all dead except one -- then castrate him/ (or her in the case of Hillary Clinton.)
I say people like you, Patricus, who ignorantly give them "due respect" should voluntarily
live in an active war zone where you can experience first hand what the world would be like
if your "heroes " were unrestrained. That would show them "due respect" instead of
encouraging them to bring down their hell on peaceful other people you do not know or care
about
The US instigated coup was in line with Brzezinski's "Grand Chessboard" delusions of the
US having to control Eurasia especially Ukraine in order to reduce Russia to the role of a
regional power. The EU piggybacked on that coup by having the Maidan regime sign on to the
European Neighborhood Policy thus reducing Ukraine to the role of a EU dependent non-member
state.
@Frederick
V. Reed "Regarding Nine-Eleven: Until someone who actually know the business of
controlled demolition shows what specifically would have been needed, used how without being
noticed, to produce the collapse, it will remain just another empty conspiracy theory."
I wonder if Fred's house burnt down under suspicious circumstances, e.g., there was some
evidence that an accelerant was involved; and neighbors reported suspicious activity near the
house before the fire started; and then Fred had the debris hauled away before it could be
examined; and as a matter of public record Fred announced beforehand that his house might
burn down; and Fred was known to be having financial problems; and Fred was caught telling a
lie about the circumstances; and Fred sought to collect a huge insurance payment, etc.; would
the state police fire marshal dismiss it all as an "empty conspiracy theory". I think not;
rather, I think Fred would be in some serious trouble.
@James
Speaks "The burning jet fuel caused the floor trusses to sag."
No it didn't; most or all of the jet fuel burnt up in a cloud outside of the
buildings.
By the way, as a threshold issue, if 9/11 was "legitimate" why did the perpetrators have
to go through the trouble and take the risk of putting imposter Hymie Brown on national TV,
falsely claiming him to be the "architect" and "project engineer" of the towers, and having
him tell lies about the towers?
@Frederick
V. Reed The only interesting question remaining about 911 is whether the same group who
planned the destruction of the twin towers also demolished WTC 7. Even though all three
supposedly succumbed to fire, WTC 7 resembles a classic demolition while 1 and 2 exploded.
These were obviously different techniques at work.
I began to wonder if some rival faction within the establishment demolished WTC 7 just to
spoil the cover story for the Bin Laden angle for leverage in other areas, or the did the
perpetrators themselves do it so the American people would have no plausible deniability when
the day of reckoning finally comes? After all, what sort of infantile and wicked population
could allow the crimes committed by its government after such a preposterous false flag
operation? Surely, they deserve to be stripped of everything they have (especially Social
Security ;).
@SafeNow
"And don't forget WTC Bldg 7, which was not hit by a fuel-leaking plane at all, and yet
pancaked down just like the towers. And by the way, a BBC reporter reported the bldg 7
collapse occurred -- past tense -- 20 minutes BEFORE the collapse happened. Oops."
This is truly the deciding argument for me, how can anyone not believe a conspiracy was
afoot that day when the BBC got their signals crossed and reported a completely unlikely
event before it actually happened?
Everybody is entitled to an opinion, but if the government is sending people to sow confusion
on the collapse of these buildings it is a criminal offense and should be prosecuted as such.
Bush clearly intended to invade Iraq in 1990 and the Clinton presidency merely put this on
hold for 9 years until Bush II was elected. The son was little more than a puppet for his
father, his father's donors and his father's money. Bush II was merely an alcoholic bum. It
was clearly his Dad's oil interests controlling him.
@Z-man
The twin towers were were 110 stories high and were very strongly built, both were designed
to withstand two strikes by Boeing 707′s. The biggest hole in your "collapse" theory is
the lack of a debris pile. With the collapse of a building that high the debris pile should
have been somewhere around 14 stories high. The debris pile was virtually missing. Have a
look at the linked photo and tell me where the debris piles are. This photo was taken before
any debris could have been removed as Building 7 is still standing.
@L. Ross
@L. Ross: so you believe that a bunch of angry fundamentalists managed to outsmart all 17 US
intelligence agencies and those of NATO and Israel, the National Security Council, the
Transportation Safety Administration, Air Traffic Control, and Dick Cheney, hijacked four US
airliners on one morning, brought down three World Trade Center skyscrapers, destroyed that
part of the Pentagon where research was underway into the missing $2.3 trillion, and caused
the morons in Washington to blame Afghanistan instead of Saudi Arabia?
If so, you urgently need to educate yourself. If not, tell us why it was not a controlled
demolition.
The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this
Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, ( This well appointed Suite
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid3.htm
according to the London Times): nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy
lap dances before their mission to meet Allah
Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on
four planes. And hangover or not, they manage to give the world's most sophisticated air
defense system the slip.
Unfazed by leaving their "How to Fly a Passenger Jet" guide in the car at the airport,
they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to
collapse completely
Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two and the world
watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically -- through their own mass -- at
free-fall speed, for the first time in history.
Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using
explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground only
to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI
Meanwhile down in Washington
Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with
all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a
Boeing. Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides
to show off a little
Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of
the world's most heavily defended building
all without a single shot being fired . or ruining the nicely mowed lawn and all at a
speed just too fast to capture on video
Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania
So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower
to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later
And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a
Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants except for the standard
issue Muslim terrorists bandana
Further south in Florida
President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class
full of primary school children shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be
in imminent danger
In New York
World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the
buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously
While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their
heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the 'New Pearl Harbor' catalyzing event they
so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination
And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven
of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports
And If you don't believe this, you are a conspiracy theorist.
James Corbett presents this 5 minute parody of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11
September 11, 2013 Twelve Years of War, Lies and Deception
Twelve years after the 9/11 attacks, no credible independent investigation has been done
to find out what really happened on that day and who was responsible.
I am amazed that there seem still to be people who believe the official 9/11 propaganda
bull*.
They don't believe the Gospel According To NIST. And I find it hard to believe you believe
they believe it ** .
'They' are shills & operators. The 911 myth must be defended at all costs – the
empire insists. For the one's who might genuinely believe, no need to waste time answering
them as they're too stupid to matter.
@Simply
Simon "Every large controlled demolition I witnessed shows massive explosions at ground
level." Not true
Internal pillars can be taken out without showing any evidence of demolition from the outside
of a building.
Every large controlled demolition that I have witnessed did not show "massive explosions" at
ground level, but rather momentary flashes of light, with the building then collapsing into
its own footprint.
@Agent76
Thanks Agent 76. That video is actually amazingly funny -- and, partly because it's so funny,
it packs a devastating punch. Seeing all the loose ends and nonsensical inconsistencies
bundled together and delivered in fast-forward mode is hugely convincing.
@Z-man
Your Quote
Two WTC went down first even though it was hit second because the plane hit lower and at an
angle with more damage to more floors and more mass above to accelerate the collapse.
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You hit the bulls eye of the shit.
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Watch the collapse again.
In both cases collapse started with the uppermost floor falling on the floor below.
And so because second tower was hit close to hour later and the position of the impact was
several stories lower, the heat influence on the uppermost connection of trusses was
considerably lower than in first hit tower.
Simple thermodynamics will confirm it to you.
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When you will watch the collapse of first building (second hit)
You will notice the part of the building was tilting, before cascading begin.
That contradicts laws of physics.
..It was controlled demolition with exploding charges at trusses connections.
There should not be any doubt about it.
@Tulip
So then, you do not have proof that the Germans killed those which they are said to have
killed.
But hey, you do have the almighty name calling. I suggest giving Zionist TeeVee a rest.
As for German aggression, you're wrong on that too. Sorry to keep posting the same rebuttals below, Ron. But as you see, we get the same
ignorant claims.
facts:
- USSR invaded Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, invaded & annexed parts of
Romania, invaded Iran, invaded northern Norway and the Danish island of Bornholm, yet the
'Allies' did nothing.
- Poland invaded and annexed parts of Czechoslovakia, held large parts of German territory,
was engaged in atrocities against German civilians. Yet the 'Allies' did nothing.
- The "neutral" US had been attacking German U-boats & shipping, while supplying both
Britain & the USSR long before Germany's declaration of war on the US.
- Brits invaded & were mining Norway at Narvik before Germany arrived & stopped
it.
- France had positioned 2 million soldiers on the Belgian border, and the BEF had almost
another half million.
- France and England were already violating Belgian and Dutch "neutrality" with impunity by
flying aircraft over the lowlands.
- It is important to remember that France had already invaded Germany, the Saar in 1939, and
that throughout this entire period Hitler was begging Churchill to negotiate a return to the
status quo. Did Britain initiate both world wars? : https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10458 Responsibility for WW2 : https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544
Introduction to HITLER'S WAR: http://www.unz.com/article/introduction-to-hitlers-war/ Who started bombing civilians first: Germany or Great Britain, Britain:https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172 Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack : https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999 http://www.codoh.com
@Tulip
Hitler Germany conquered Poland in a few weeks, snatched Norway from under Churchill's nose,
and beat France in three weeks.
About Churchill's stupidity in military matters: Gallipoli, and see what the commander of the
British army thought about him:
Colonel Roderick Macleod, D.S.O., M.C., and Dennis Kelly, 'TIME UNGUARDED The Ironside
Diaries 1937- 1940′, New York, 1963
Hitler never wanted war:
A J P Taylor, 'The Origins of the Second World War', 1961, 1967, Londen
German economy:
from 1933 until 1936 unemployment was reduced from six to one million.
FDR's New Deal did hardly reduce USA unemployment.
Hitler's big mistake was to underestimate the power of international jewry:
Jean-Noël Jeanneney, 'Francois de Wendel en République, L'Argent et le Pouvoir
1914-1940, Paris 1976
Ludendorff already understood quite well that the allies wanted to destroy Germany
Erich Ludendorff, 'Meine Kriegserinnerungen 1914 = 1918′, Berlin, 1918
And see
Patrick J. Buchanan, 'Churchill, Hitler and "The unnecessary war", How Britain lost its
empire and the west lost the world', New York, 2008
"... The U.S.A. is a powerful empire. It is expansionist. It's no different from the British, Soviets, Chinese, etc. None of this is new information to anyone. If it is, you are retarded for just now coming to these conclusions. You should have understood all of this by your early twenties. ..."
"... Generally speaking, political reform follows cultural and economic change – not vice versa ..."
"... It would seem in the Soviet Union cultural and economic also followed political reform. One could sustain the same regarding Peronist Argentina until the early 1950s, the German Empire in 1871 which created the framework for profound and vast cultural and economic change, Italy since 1861, and so on. Thus, I am not so sure about the validity of the historical "law" you have tentatively formulated. ..."
"... Every state must have its peoples, in one way or another, support its geopolitical operations. In democracies, this comes down to applying psychological pressures so that the citizenry votes for the desired programs. ..."
"... Support can be achieved even in the face of strong initial opposition, such as WWI and the Iraq war. As Saker mentions, the support can be eroded when a war drags on too long without victory, such as Vietnam or Afghanistan. ..."
@Hans
Vogel You are probably onto something here.
Especially with:
all, empires are ipso facto violent, since they must keep a variety of other states and
peoples under permanent control and this can only be achieved by way of violence.
If he wants to preserve his authority, he is compelled to use these techniques, which
makes him, in a sense also the victim of the system he represents.
Not doing so would entail the collapse of the imperial system.
This is like something an undergraduate would write. It's like taking history and running it
through an "all I needed to know I learned in kindergarten" filter.
The U.S.A. is a powerful empire. It is expansionist. It's no different from the British,
Soviets, Chinese, etc. None of this is new information to anyone. If it is, you are retarded
for just now coming to these conclusions. You should have understood all of this by your
early twenties.
We thank the veterans because, at an instinctual level; they are the warriors of our
tribe. Guilt over expansion isn't sincere; we know that Russians have and would eagerly
engage in the same behavior, were they as powerful. "The weak must do what they must."
I read his stupid justification for living in our country. We need a law forbidding
foreigners from speaking on our political affairs. It is not, and never will be, their call.
The author is clearly a Russian nationalist, which is a great thing, but that belongs in
Russia.
American nationalism alone should exist here. The entire problem is that there are so many
paper Americans here that our country has become corrupted beyond its original purpose; even
before WWII, (((Americans))) had power, which is the reason for our poor actions against
Japan. I've long supported dismantling the empire, but only because it is impoverishing our
people, and we need those troops here to eject the millions of invaders, and guard the
border. The empire is also a tool for (((you know who))).
Finally, a foreigner criticizing the U.S. military, while living in the U.S.A., is like
going into your neighbor's home and accusing him of being an alcoholic. He may very well be,
but it's not your place to say so. Once you cross over our border, any allegiance to a
foreign power needs to end. Even if we make one of those Matryoshka dolls of your mother
being plowed by one of our negroes, you better keep quiet. Because in truth, you are not
wanted here. There is no benefit to me for Russians to be here.
Heritage Americans understand that these veterans are our hoplites, regardless of the wars
they have fought in. If you don't have that national bond, it's time to admit it, pack up,
and go back to a nation that you can identify with. One where you don't feel the urge to talk
trash about the most brilliant saints of the Church. Yes Catholicism is lost, and the pope a
hopeless cuck, but unlike the author, I'm not Russian. Converting to Russian Orthodoxy, even
inside the U.S., is a process rife with hostility.
They have to go back. If you value Peter the Great more than Thomas Jefferson, great, but you
have to go back.
The important questions–which (one is tempted to say "of course") he does not
raise, let alone attempt to answer–are: (i) how did this sorry state of affairs come
about; and (ii) what is to be done to correct the situation?
Ah, you see .that's not Saker's job. One of posters here already said what it is. Scroll
up and you'll find it with ease.
And, those are definitely THE QUESTIONS. The second more important than the first.
Any ideas of yours?
Probably related to
.what failures or refusals on the part of the American people to enforce what provisions
of their own Constitution have led to this pass?
I guess. I believe it has something to do with what happened to Rome once upon a time.
Or any such entity.
Even if we simply focus on military: comparing militia from The American Revolutionary War
with early Roman military and current US military with legions of, say, Augustus.
Complex topics, of course.
And, there IS one aditional element too Saker types will never touch: is there a need for
a World Policeman? I think there is (human nature, nukes and such). The catch is, of course,
who 's going to be that one. Or better, who is going to control the cop. Even better,
who and how, is going to control the controllers.
Sounds complicated so irrelevant for most posters here. Better to focus on "bad Anglos" or
"terrible Joos". Or whatever.
Saker's angle, and the resident "Team Russia" of course is, no need for World Policeman.
They'd like three equal cops policing their own parts of the world. Saker cop "managing" that
region from Vladivostok to, say .current German/Austrian/Italian/Greek border.
Chinese even "better": area up and including Tasmania and Stuart Island.
Hehe not that they'll ever admit that.
If your country is weak, the credibility of your criticisms is comporomised.
Of course, you don't accept the U.S. military. However, you have zero authority to employ the
Alinskyite tactic of "hold them to their own ideals."
This is why the only foreigners besides tourists and students, who should be allowed here,
are those who benefit Heritage Americans.
Russia is most definitely the "good guy" overall. I've been saying that for years, but we
criticize the Neocons and even more influential (((neocons))), not our own soldiers. It
doesn't matter if they've murdered entire towns overseas, not to most people. This is
indisputably true for every country on Earth.
Soldiers rescue you when you're in a giant fish bowl
that has been hit by a cat. 5 hurricane, or when a tornado levels your town. They protect you
from invasion under normative circumstances; the current circumstances, of the military and
government standing by while millions of third world invaders flood our land, isn't a typical
one, and even then, it is only made possible by (((propagandists)))
@wholy1
Lots of people escaped to Canada, for example rather than serve the empire. Would you rather
murder people in Vietnam for the corrupt U.S. "government" (or be killed by someone defending
their country from invaders), or go to Canada? I would've chosen Canada.
@Fhilaerene
"We need a law forbidding foreigners from speaking on our political affairs."
You are a fool. I think you might be a good individualist though. At least you have a sense of self. Quit
trying to speak for "Americans" (Who left you in charge of defining who is "American"?)and
instead, speak for yourself. It would sound much less stupid.
It's true that many join the military for benefits. This is esp true of Negroes and Browns.
But many whites join because they like the culture of Brotherhood. And these types tend to
be patriotic and gung-ho. Of course, they are often clueless about how their patriotic
feelings are being manipulated by globalists.
It'd be nice to have a law that says that while all men must fight to defend the US from
invasion, all overseas ventures must be voted on by men in the military.
In the US the military is deified, in other saner countries it is at best respected and
supported and in some countries it is feared and avoided.
The US is a country, that has been at war for most of its life. I believe only a mere 25
years of not waging or participating in a war. Hence its reverence for the military.
And in wars a lot of money can be made, lets not forget that
"We need a law forbidding foreigners from speaking on our political affairs."
No what we need is a friggen law that imposes death penalty on any US citizen ever leaving
the US.
The US is the main culprit of the misery and despair throughout the world, especially the ME
too. Come to think of it, we should have for Israel citizens too.
@Harold
Smith Indeed! Seem to me you must have read Kafka.
Else we use the one below.
Someone said something like : We change reality faster than you perceive reality has changed.
Even a war fought for the openly crass reason of protecting one's own economic interests
is hardly a uniquely evil event. It may be a deplorable fact of life, but you have to ask
yourself: What else did you think was going to happen? Are the powerful of the world going
to just sit by and watch their fortunes be destroyed?
Is the mob just going to sit by and watch as someone decides not to pay their protection
money ? "what else did you think was going to happen?" Of course they're going to place a
horse's head on their door step and if that doesn't work they'll put two bullet holes in his
eye sockets.
ID, don't forget to thank your mafia soldier for his service on Veteran's day! (Oh, and don't
forget to leave that protection money in the bucket behind the door like we talked
about.)
how can anyone not believe a conspiracy was afoot that day
A conspiracy is two or more people working together to commit a criminal act. The official
narrative of 9-11 is a conspiracy theory. Not a credible one, but conspiracy theory none the
less.
What a snarky article by a weenie who lacked the cajones to serve.
When I joined the military in the mid-70′s, it wasn't for the benefits or the money;
neither was particularly attractive, and with a lottery number north of 250, I wasn't at risk
of being drafted. I joined for three reasons–first, my dad had served in WWII in the
infantry, so there was a bit of family history; second, because I hated Marxism and the
Commies who threatened to bury us; and third, because I considered it my civic duty to serve.
So, I found myself in in a nuclear ordnance unit in Europe, helping keep several hundred
nukes at the ready to fly in an easterly direction to kill Commies if necessary. Of course,
the whole idea wasn't ever to vaporize eastern Europe, rather, it was to deter the Russians
and their allies from attacking western Europe. Mission accomplished.
As was the case with NATO in the 70′s, the primary mission of the military isn't to
fight wars; rather, it's to deter others from starting a war in the first place. As was the
case with the Commies 40 years ago, if we didn't have a strong deterrent force (and the
demonstrated will to use it) there are plenty of Mohammedans, Chinese and others who would
dearly love to subdue us. And blowhards like Saker would be out of business, probably in a
concentration camp somewhere, or dead. Unless, that is, they became collaborators.
I do agree, however, on one thing: I didn't and don't need any Thank-you's for my service.
I don't expect thanks for paying my income tax or driving on the right side of the road;
those are civic duties. And to me, service in the military is a civic duty as well for
able-bodied males. After I got out of the Army, all I ever wanted a modicum of respect for
having performed my civid duty–not to be derided and called a fool or a fascist for
having served. But a civilian again and a student in the late '70s, that's all I heard from
my smartypants lib classmates. It wasn't until 9/11, when people perceived (rightly or
wrongly) that their pansy butts were at risk unless somebody was willing to fight or deter
bad guys, that people started saying "Thank you for your service."
Saker, instead of calling people who served fools and fascists, calls us money-grubbing
mercenaries. It would be annoying coming from anybody other than a guy who believes that 9/11
was some kind of CIA plot. My cat is smarter than that. And even Saker is smarter than to
spout his malarky to a veteran's face.
" since the attack on Pearl Harbor was set-up as a pretext to then attack Japan). "
Since FDR is his 1940 election promised not to 'send USA boys overseas unless the USA was
attacked'.
On the Sunday of the attack the America First Committee understood quite well, as Lindbergh
writes, he got a phone call: 'he (FDR) got us into the (European) war through the back
door'.
Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh', New York,
1970
Since the end of 1939 the USA navy was waging war in the Atlantic against Germany, but Hitler
had given strict orders that his navy and airforce should not give FDR a pretext for war.
Not quite sure, but I think
Patrick Beesly, 'Very special intelligence', 1977 Londen
describes the very close cooperation in the Atlantic between GB, navy and airforce, and FDR's
navy and airforce, beginning at the end of 1939.
There was one incident between a German submarine and a USA navy vessel that nearly was
serious enough for FDR to declare war.
Few people, including myself until recently, know about Hitler's attack on Russia, and
Japanese war aims.
Japan had promised Hitler to attack the USSR if Hitler had taken Moscow and was at the Volga,
thus the desperate fight over Stalingrad.
Robert J.C. Butow, 'JAPAN'S Decision to Surrender', Stanford, 1954
F.W. Deakin and G.R. Storry, 'The case of Richard Sorge', New York, 1966
If indeed Japan would have attacked Russia, I doubt.
In any case, Hitler was very pleased with Pearl Harbour, really a surprise to him, it
seems.
That FDR's provocation to Japan caused that Japan remained neutral towards the USSR until the
beginning of 1945, the USSR annihition of the Kwantung Army, I wonder if Hitler ever realised
this.
@Fhilaerene
" The U.S.A. is a powerful empire. It is expansionist. It's no different from the British,
Soviets, Chinese, "
It is quite different from what the British empire was.
The perfidous Britons built their empire not just on naked force, but on diplomacy, cunning,
deceit, blackmail, bribery, propaganda, etc., than the USA.
British people indeed were outraged when Gordon was killed at Khartoum.
Far more outrage, is my impression, than USA people about the Vietnam defeat.
@Simply
Simon The Empire State Building has a steel frame designed using moment distribution. It
was being designed as it was being built. Steel and labor were cheap during the Great
Depression. Thus, the building could be overdesigned, and it was.
@Fhilaerene
"It doesn't matter if they've murdered entire towns overseas, not to most people." It might
well have mattered to those who have been murdered and it should it should matter to the rest
of us. Soldiers and their political masters should not get a free pass for wanton murder.
@Intelligent
Dasein 'Most soldiers all throughout history have been mercenaries'
Standing armies were not generally a thing untill comparatively recently
Bravo Saker! All your points are undeniably true and very clearly stated. I salute your
courage in publishing these truths in the face of the world's greatest disinformation and
propaganda machine – the US government.
The military is the huge death squad of the evil US Empire. These are the oligarch's tools
for murder and pillage around the world. The US Military is the most shameful group in the
world today, composed of those willing to kill their brothers and sisters for money.
Saker, the very nature of life itself is based on war and has always been based on
war. Problem?
We're chemical machines, that have been built over 4 billion years, and we've been
tested in what can be called quite accurately a 'Gladiator War'; where the machines went into
the battle and if you won, your DNA replicated, and that's all it was was a war.
@Z-man
"The two planes were two large armored napalm tanks"
Except that planes aren't built like tanks or else they wouldn't lift off the ground. And
their engines don't run on napalm.
There's no way for a large plane traveling at low speed to go right through a building. It
would have crashed to pieces and plummeted to the ground where it would have exploded and
burned down.
@The
Alarmist I joined to shoot all sorts of weaponry, to use explosive, to rappel out of
helicopters, to call in close air support, etc. All great, fun stuff. Unfortunately , mixed
in with that, was a lot of 3 am spit shining shoes and ironing ponchos for a junk on the bunk
inspection at 0800.
@Realist
In fact there has NEVER been any occasion since the War of 1812 when members of the US armed
forces had to fight to protect their "homeland" – which is impressive when you remember
that the USA has been at war for 222 out of 239 years since 1776.
As for the War of 1812, while it is true that the British invaded the USA and burned some
of Washington, the Americans were responsible for the outbreak of war. President James
Madison declared war on Great Britain, when negotiations were still possible. At the time,
Britain was at war with the empire of Napoleon so the US declaration of war must have seemed
to the British a treacherous stab in the back.
@James
Speaks I suppose the proximity of the jets cause WTC7 to experience slenderness too. Or
was it that the BBC announcing WTC's demise 20 minutes before it actually happened was caused
by "kl/r"?
@Rex
Little Rex, may I point out that it was the US government (in the person of President
Madison) who declared war on Great Britain – not vice versa? Until then there were serious disagreements, but they could have been negotiated. It was
the US government that chose to have a war – as it has often done since.
@Wally
The Saker is a Russian. He can probably give you the body count of the Red Army on the
Eastern Front.
The Nazis were bastards, and they started an aggressive war (and by that, I mean
"aggressive" from the standpoint of the victors, unlike say Iraq), they killed a lot of
people, and they lost. You don't even have to bring (((them))) into to equation to conclude
that the Allies didn't hang enough people when they had the chance, but I guess someone had
to be left to rebuild.
@Tom
Welsh You are either fighting over there or you are fighting in your homeland. When you
stop fighting over there, you end up fighting in your homeland. Putin wants war and
instability in Ukraine, because he knows Russia is next.
America has just done the same thing every other successful Empire has done since the dawn
of time, suggesting a natural line of development in human civilizations. All of America's
enemies simply want America out of the way so they can do the same thing America has done. If
I were Russian or Chinese, I would want the same thing Saker calls for. But let's face it, a
second-rate gorilla wanting the Alpha gorilla to die is a different sentiment from the
internationalist liberal humanitarian bullshit Saker cites in his article.
@Fhilaerene
"We need a law forbidding foreigners from speaking on our political affairs. It is not, and
never will be, their call. The author is clearly a Russian nationalist, which is a great
thing, but that belongs in Russia".
A peculiar argument. As the author presumably believes in the political equality of all
human beings, he would no doubt agree that Russia needs a law forbidding foreigners from
speaking about Russian political affairs. (Would that apply just to foreigners speaking while
in Russia, or in their own countries?)
@peterAUS
" is there a need for a World Policeman? I think there is (human nature, nukes and such). The
catch is, of course, who's going to be that one. Or better, who is going to control the cop.
Even better, who and how, is going to control the controllers".
That sounds quite clever and sophisticated, but it leads nowhere because it's fairly
obvious that there is no answer to the questions "who's going to be the World Policeman?" and
"Who's going to control the cop?"
For practical purposes we can regard the idea of a "World Policemen" is obviously
impractical. Even if such a regime could be brought about, it would likely lead to the very
worst tyranny ever – and perhaps the first one impossible to escape or overthrow.
Therefore we need to return to the real world and consider alternatives. At present I see
nothing better than Messrs Putin and Xi's concept of a multilateral world order, regulated by
international laws, in which nations show respect and consideration for one another.
If anyone thinks that's not good enough, consider that the world is not some schoolroom
where we are posed questions with predesigned, cut-and-dried answers. In real life, we
sometimes encounter questions that have no simple answers.
@anonymous
Your comment displays a very common misunderstanding of evolutionary theory.
The species that survive best and reproduce most in a given environment are sometimes
called "the fittest". At present – although perhaps not for much longer – Homo
sapiens has been very successful in terms of fitness for perhaps 10,000 years. People tend to
ascribe this mostly to our large brain and intelligence, but they err in thinking that the
main evolutionary advantage of intelligence is the ability to invent weapons and other
machines.
In fact, humans have thriven mainly because of their social organization and ability to
cooperate.
Which is why any theory that proposes vicious competition between individual human beings
or human groups is flying in the face of Darwin. We succeed or fail as teams. Cheating and
murdering your team-mates is not a recipe for success.
@Anon
"But many whites join because they like the culture of Brotherhood".
That reminds me, rightly or wrongly, of something else. Oh yes, here it is:
"Unless a man has talents to make something of himself, freedom is an irksome burden. Of
what avail is freedom to choose if the self be ineffectual? We join a mass movement to escape
individual responsibility, or, in the words of the ardent young Nazi, "to be free from
freedom." It was not sheer hypocrisy when the rank-and-file Nazis declared themselves not
guilty of all the enormities they had committed. They considered themselves cheated and
maligned when made to shoulder responsibility for obeying orders. Had they not joined the
Nazi movement in order to be free from responsibility?"
Saker,
Go fuck yourself. You are not an American so you are hardly in a position to say why
Americans serve in OUR military. I might add that the so-called "illegal wars" and covert
actions were primarily fought against the Communist madness YOUR people unleashed on the
world or primitive Islamists who have always been our enemies.
@Wally
'"But in a world of empires, the US empire preferable to the German, Japanese, Russian, and
Spanish."
'Really?
'Please explain'.
You really don't get it? Isn't it obvious that being burned to death by good red-blooded
democratic American napalm or white phosphorus is far better than being killed by a German,
Japanese, Russian or Spanish weapon?
It's the kindly good intentions that make all the difference!
@Intelligent
Dasein @Intelligent Dasein: so why on earth do you read Saker's articles? Why on earth do
you then proceed to pollute this thread with your insane vituperations and bore us all to
death? If you want to impress us with the use of vulgarities, there is no need to dedicate an
essay to it.
@ThreeCranes
The same cabal that had been denouncing young Americans conscripted to fight in Vietnam as
"baby killers" -- the same ones always disproportionately underrepresented in our armed
forces -- are from what I see on Fox News the ones behind the jingoism serving only Israel
today. Cops were vilified as "pigs." The American flag was walked on and burned with glee.
Now we have "wounded warrior" ads running all the time, while MAGA is making Wall Street
richer and creating new jobs for anyone but the young white men who mostly wear the uniforms
and do the dying so fine young Israeli boys need not.
All in all this "thank you for your service" is obviously well meaning from everyday
people, but it is nothing short of grinning mockery coming from that same bunch -- the "war
party" of neo-lib/neo-con foreign agents -- who only yesterday were denouncing our soldiers
as "baby killers." There is no left/right when it comes to bankrupting America for
Israel.
Now on Fox News we get Trotskyite neocons elevating those same "baby killers" and "pigs"
in uniform to hero status, and in preparation for the coming martial law, authoring the
thoughts of the gullible with the concepts and catchwords of the police state. "Baby killers"
and "pigs" alchemically have become heroes-in-uniform first-responders putting their boots on
the ground in harm's way, whose muh brothers/muh mission training sanctions incinerating
civilians IDF style, who won't hesitate enforcing shelter-in-place orders back home at gun
point even on their own kind.
@ThreeCranes
The same cabal that had been denouncing young Americans conscripted to fight in Vietnam as
"baby killers" -- the same ones always disproportionately underrepresented in our armed
forces -- are from what I see on Fox News the ones behind the jingoism serving only Israel
today. Cops were vilified as "pigs." The American flag was walked on and burned with glee.
Now we have "wounded warrior" ads running all the time, while MAGA is making Wall Street
richer and creating new jobs for anyone but the young white men who mostly wear the uniforms
and do the dying so fine young Israeli boys need not.
All in all this "thank you for your service" is obviously well meaning from everyday
people, but it is nothing short of grinning mockery coming from that same bunch -- the "war
party" of neo-lib/neo-con foreign agents -- who only yesterday were denouncing our soldiers
as "baby killers." There is no left/right when it comes to bankrupting America for
Israel.
Now on Fox News we get Trotskyite neocons elevating those same "baby killers" and "pigs"
in uniform to hero status, and in preparation for the coming martial law, authoring the
thoughts of the gullible with the concepts and catchwords of the police state. "Baby killers"
and "pigs" alchemically have become heroes-in-uniform first-responders putting their boots on
the ground in harm's way, whose muh brothers/muh mission training sanctions incinerating
civilians IDF style, who won't hesitate enforcing shelter-in-place orders back home at gun
point even on their own kind.
@Den Lille
Abe "The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,'
which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of
discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and
empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued.
'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying
that reality judiciously, as you will we'll act again, creating other new
realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's
actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"
- Ronald Suskind (American journalist) reporting the comments of a White House aide (later
identified as Karl Rove) ["Without A Doubt" by Ron Suskind, The New York Times Magazine, 17
October 2004].
" Why?" Well for one thing they carry out policies concocted by delusional "intellectuals"
and fellow travellers of whom you are most assuredly king, Saker.
@Charles
Martel Charles Martel expresses views that I suppose are very common among Americans. My
favourite SF writer Robert Heinlein would certainly have agreed with every word. Yet I
believe that Charles shows signs of having been deceived – having "drunk the Kool-Aid",
as I think some people used to say.
As soon as I saw the trope about Khrushschev "threatening to bury us" I knew there was
some intentional or unintentional misunderstanding. Lo and behold!
'While addressing Westerners at the embassy on November 18, 1956, in the presence of
Polish Communist statesman Władysław Gomułka, Khrushchev said: "About the
capitalist states, it doesn't depend on you whether or not we exist. If you don't like us,
don't accept our invitations, and don't invite us to come to see you. Whether you like it or
not, history is on our side. We will bury you!" The speech prompted the envoys from twelve
NATO nations and Israel to leave the room'.
What Khrushchev obviously meant was "We shall be the survivors after you have perished,
and so we will stand at your graveside". Unfortunately, he worded the thought more briefly
and vividly. In the Western world, which is ruled by propaganda and psyops, such techniques
are used to put the worst possible construction on the words of any antagonist.
Very similar to the furore about Iranian president Ahmadinejad supposedly threatening to
"wipe Israel off the map". As the extensive and accurate articles cited below explain, what
Ahmadinejad really said (in Farsi) was that "This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem]
must be eliminated from the pages of history". Just as the USSR, for instance, has been
eliminated from the pages of history (and atlases).
" Let me repeat that truism once again, in an even more direct way: veterans are killers
hired for money. Period. The rest is all propaganda."
Yes, from the point of view of recruiters.
Not, as far as I can see, from the point of view of the hired.
Do not think that many join military forces with the intention to kill.
Happen to know a now retired USA pilot, who joined the USA forces for two reasons, he hated
the work on his father's farm, and he wanted to fly.
He did kill, I suppose, flying a helicopter in the Vietnam war is not for philantropic
business.
He also flew bombers, bomber pilots seldom see what the bombs they drop do.
But I wonder if he ever saw that he killed someone, as far as I know him he did not like to
kill at all.
Back to the question, should we thank veterans ?
I wonder for what.
They took a job, a job they knew could well lead to killing, or be killed.
A quite different situation exists for those who join an army out of idealistic motives, such
as George Orwell in the thirties in Spain.
But, thanking them depends on what side in the war you support.
@Simon in
London "If Russia ran the world things would be different, but I doubt they would be
better".
You are very probably right, which is why Russia has no desire to run the world. All it
wants – at least according to Mr Putin – is to be treated with respect and given
its rights under international law. Not to live in a world ruled by any single nation, but in
a world where all nations treat one another with respect and consideration.
@Simon in
London "If Russia ran the world things would be different, but I doubt they would be
better."
Self-serving, subjective Anglo-Zionist crap logic. For YOU, maybe, as a "patriotic"
denizen of the globo-imperialist Anglosphere, it "wouldn't be better". For RUSSIANS, it would
for sure "be better". For most of the world outside the Anglosphere except the Zionists and
the Wahhabis, too, it would "be better". I daresay that even for most ***ordinary*** people
in the Anglosphere, it would probably "be better" (depending of course on exactly how you
define "better") – or at least, not be WORSE.
It's also quite amusing how you automatically equate the ending of the current criminal
U.S. regime's planetwide aggressions and uncontested global hegemony aspirations, with
"Russia running the world", the same way that the U.S. regime wants to do right now. As if
that is the ONLY possible outcome – and as if it is preordained and inevitable that one
single hegemonic nation should lord it over and call the shots in the entire world by force.
The result, no doubt, of your brainwashing since birth with capitalist imperialist ideology,
wedded to "British Empire" chauvinism that now finds a vicarious outlet in sucking up to U.S.
global hegemonism as part of the Anglosphere.
Read The Protocols of Zion and see who is behind the wars that America has been forced into
ie it is the Zionist banking kabal and this was true from WWI right on down to the wars in
the Mideast and all for the Zionist banking kabal and their Zionist satanic NWO!
@Rex
Little There have been several armed invasions of the US with two more on the way. They
were entirely undeterred by the useless parasitic employees of the "Department of Defense".
I want to thank the men of the armed services for for their service. Whether that service
was for money, job, because you wanted to vent a warped sense of what it means (merely
killing others fellows is hardly a noble task) or
whether you sincerely desire to serve the country as a duty.
For any of those reasons above
Thanks . . . (my only regret is not keeping you from unnecessary conflicts) But I honor
your service.
This is how the Pentagon thanks everyone for their service!
Jun 30, 2014 America's Veteran Crisis: Abandoned At Home
As politicians in Washington wring their hands over the Veterans Affairs scandal, VICE
News travels to Portland, Oregon, to see what it's all really about.
December 9, 2016 Report: VA staff left veteran's body in shower nine hours, tried to hide
mistakes
SEMINOLE -- Staff members at the Bay Pines VA Healthcare System left the body of a veteran
in a shower room for more than nine hours then tried to cover up the mistake, a hospital
investigation shows.
@Charles
Martel You have it backwards. The enlisted and conscripted were dummy candy asses,
lacking the balls and brains to avoid abetting the venal national security state and its vile
owners. Now in this sad year of 2018, the US military is little more than the Goy Auxiliary
of the jooie IDF making enlistment doubly stupid and cowardly, especially if you are a white
person. Notice your hero Trumpstein didn't enlist and neither did any of the "neocons" or
anyone else with any brains or balls
@David In
TN No, but irrelevant. What's your point?
All humans who sacrifice their own free will and freedom of conscience, no matter what
"side" they are on to follow orders like a killing machine, are almost by definition,
subhuman. They are dangerous amoral killers. They are the "kinetic action" that takes
aggressive war from a concept to a reality. Humanity would be better off if they could never
reproduce and if they were strictly limited to fighting each other to the death
We need a law forbidding foreigners from speaking on our political affairs. It is not,
and never will be, their call. The author is clearly a Russian nationalist, which is a
great thing, but that belongs in Russia.
I'll keep reading the foreign press, including from Russia, until there is a good reason
not to, like a shooting war.
Even propaganda sometimes includes constructive criticism. The Soviets were right when
they criticized lynchings in the South, and the international shame helped bring an end to
them.
If you believe some of the American Pravda articles here, you should welcome any
help that we can get from abroad to clean up our government.
@Tom
Welsh You probably overlooked the rest of my comment: "like most politicians in high
office everywhere and at all times, he was also a psychopath and did not shirk from killing
fellow human beings." That includes the war criminals Bush I, Bush II, and the White House
Negro.
A well-argued essay that addresses a relevant and important issue. Mercenaries, like regular
working folk, are just doing their job that they got paid for as per the contract. They
fulfilled the contract, no need to thank them. I never got a special thanks for doing my job,
certainly not from the highest authorities and every Tom, Dick and Harry in between.
@EliteCommInc.
@EliteComminc: the US was "invited" into South Vietnam by the puppet regime it installed
there in the 1st place. Therefore its attack on North Vietnam was still illegal and amounted
to a war crime. Period.
The Empire will NOT survive for one day without a war! The MIC runs this Empire and it won't
allow the Empire to go on as usual without purchasing or the empire's puppet government
exporting their products to the other countries. The aggressions are meant to kill innocent
people and to destroy the weapons that were sold to the countries to begin with! So the other
countries have to purchase more to defend themselves (catch 22). In other words all acts of
aggression are about nothing but money in this capitalist system!
One of the very best articles I have ever read. and which in my opinion should be required
reading for every high school graduate in the United States, and other countries.
@Hans
Vogel I do agree with your generalisation about politicians in high office. It was just
that I reacted quite strongly to your implication that the mere appointment of that man
proved Saddam to be "perverted".
There's an interesting discussion to be had about how fair it is to call people
"perverted" who merely behave like the proportion of humans who love violence and often
resort to it.
I certainly wouldn't have liked to be in Saddam Hussein's power if he had any reason to
harm me. On the other hand, I often wonder how easy it can be to rule a country like Iraq or
Syria, and wonder if perhaps a hard dictator might be the best fit under present
circumstances.
Generally speaking, political reform follows cultural and economic change – not vice
versa. I'd love to see any of the leading American or British politicians, or other
blowhards, try to do Saddam's or Assad's job without getting killed within a week or two.
After a year we could ask them searching questions about the morality of what they have done,
and I bet they would come up with something along the lines of "It was either me or
them".
"The most extravagant idea that can be born in the head of a political thinker is to
believe that it suffices for people to enter, weapons in hand, among a foreign people and
expect to have one's laws and constitution embraced. It is in the nature of things that the
progress of Reason is slow and no one loves armed missionaries; the first lesson of nature
and prudence is to repulse them as enemies.
One can encourage freedom, never create it by an invading force".
- Maximilien Robespierre (1791)
"Laws should be so appropriate to the people for whom they are made that it is very
unlikely that the laws of one nation can suit another".
- Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu, "L'Esprit des
Lois"
I guess it stands to reason that people who are stupid enough to join the military, are the
same ones stupid enough to keep waving the American flag after getting their asses shot off.
But other than for that reason, I've never understood why anyone would do such as thing.
The Saker seems like a foreign psychological warfare agent.
Now ... you could be onto something here.
I wouldn't put it in exactly those words, feels so "Cold war" and things have changed since,
but, yes, the overall intention IS something along that path.
Agree with the main points, of course. Especially with
..if we didn't have a strong deterrent force (and the demonstrated will to use it) there
are plenty of Mohammedans, Chinese and others who would dearly love to subdue us.
and
.And to me, service in the military is a civic duty as well for able-bodied males.
Does "The Saker" really imagine that he is the first person who has thought to quote the
principles of the Nuremberg Trials ? Does he expect applause for stating the obvious?
What the Saker is indeed quite obvious, but it is is not openly stated all that often.
Even people who generally object to the US-led wars feel it necessary to exempt the veterans
from the blame as an innocent or even wronged party. I've personally witnessed the madness at
the begging of the Iraq war when people practically genuflected before the members of the
military, and the banners and pins "We support our troops" were everywhere. Support in what,
in the commission of a crime? But no one came out and said that.
failures or refusals on the part of the American people to enforce what provisions of
their own Constitution have led to this pass?
I am sure he did but the article isn't about that. You care to provide the answer?
The most obvious one is that the American people are under intense propaganda coupled with
the essential informational blockade. All alternative information is carefully excluded from
the public view. Again, the Iraq war is a good examples: before the invasion, all attempts to
say what things might not go as smoothly as projected were promptly cut off. Add to this a
remarkably low level of education of most Americans, who aren't familiar with geography or
history, and you get the state of affairs you have.
You are either fighting over there or you are fighting in your homeland. When you stop
fighting over there, you end up fighting in your homeland.
America has just done the same thing every other successful Empire has done since the
dawn of time, suggesting a natural line of development in human civilizations.
Pretty much.
All of America's enemies simply want America out of the way so they can do the same
thing America has done.
Exactly.
If I were Russian or Chinese, I would want the same thing Saker calls for.
And that explains his articles in general.
But let's face it, a second-rate gorilla wanting the Alpha gorilla to die is a different
sentiment from the internationalist liberal humanitarian bullshit Saker cites in his
article.
@Ernesto
Che that just tells me how much you don't know about South Vietnam. The problem was not
that the South Vietnamese were puppets. But just the opposite. Trying to get the South
Vietnamese to follow US prescriptions was like trying to catch a porcupine.
Single most obvious rebuttal to your nonsense -- the rem oval of the first president by
his own leadership – sure we signed on -- no sign on to get rid of an obedient
compliant partner. No one removes their puppets.
I suggest you peruse the lengthy discussions on this subject in the archives on the site
or you could stop mouthing talking points and actually examine the issues on your own.
But to the point -- Well, dropping the civil war nonsense is progress.
@Tom
Welsh Civil reply in obvious deep disagreement in this pub. Nice.
So, my reply is simple: disagree.
Not because of multipolar world, no. That could be a good idea if the other two contenders
were setups I'd like to live in. I wouldn't. So, as I stated before and always will, if I
have to choose multipolar between those three and unipolar managed by US Administration, I
choose the later. Free will, personal choice and such. Vodka, Jack Daniels, whatever.
And, in my particular case it would mean living under, ahm, that " Xi's concept ". Haha
.yeah.
You are correct in one thing, though. There are some questions with no answers,or better,
answers we like. In this particular case there is such answer. Two options:
Global US (or, as Saker puts it "Anglo-Zionist") domination.
Multipolar world with regional wars on its borders, if we are lucky. If unlucky MAD.
The first one could be improve upon. The second can too, without the later.
Big topic; too big for this pub.
Now, should Russia and/or China introduce some other economic and societal models things
could change for better, maybe. That option, hope, remains. Especially in Russia. Of course,
not while the current regime is in power.
But, then, something can change for better in USA too.
We'll see. In meantime, having USA being a dominant world power is, for some of us, preferable
solution to that multipolar" thing.
Or to put it bluntly:we .do ..NOT TRUST .Kremlin and Beijing.
Simple as that.
Russia has no desire to run the world. All it wants – at least according to Mr
Putin – is to be treated with respect and given its rights under international law.
Not to live in a world ruled by any single nation, but in a world where all nations treat
one another with respect and consideration.
Ups... had I seen this , especially " .all nations treat one another with respect and
consideration ." I wouldn't have bothered with my comment No. 239. Please disregard it.
Moving on.
@Tom
Welsh Interesting point you are raising: "Generally speaking, political reform follows
cultural and economic change – not vice versa." I am afraid in most cases, there is
just a woeful lack of documentary evidence. Regarding a recent case for which we have a
wealth of data, the EU, we see the opposite. Cultural and economic change (immigration,
stifling regulations, advance of big monopolies such as Microsoft, Bayer, social misery such
as in Greece etc) has followed in the wake of political reform, initiated by the Maastricht
Treaty and the Lisbon Treaty.
It would seem in the Soviet Union cultural and economic also followed political reform.
One could sustain the same regarding Peronist Argentina until the early 1950s, the German
Empire in 1871 which created the framework for profound and vast cultural and economic
change, Italy since 1861, and so on. Thus, I am not so sure about the validity of the historical "law" you have tentatively
formulated.
In meantime, having USA being a dominant world power is, for some of us, preferable
solution to that multipolar" thing.
Or to put it bluntly: we .do ..NOT TRUST .Kremlin and Beijing.
Simple as that.
I don't trust Beijing. I trust D.C. about as much as I trust the Kremlin, or maybe a
little less, given the way the United States has comported itself internationally since the
end of the Cold War.
@James
Speaks I had considered that my comment about you having low low brain wattage was a bit
too harsh even though you are certainly a fool but it seems I was correct on both counts
after all. A fool is one who is repeatedly fooled and your comment proves that this is the
case in the matter of yourself and 9/11.
The little bit of knowledge that you've acquired is quite useless without a measure of
commonsense which you clearly lack. Again, this thread is about the poor fools who were duped
into participating in US wars of aggression not 9/11 so do yourself a favour and read the
articles on 9/11 that can be found right here at The Unz Review including the one Ron Unz
wrote himself. Good luck.
@Mario964
Excellent point. It would be interesting to read a similar discussion of Saker's points, but
starting from the psychology behind the Milgram experiment and mass propaganda.
Every state must have its peoples, in one way or another, support its geopolitical
operations. In democracies, this comes down to applying psychological pressures so that the
citizenry votes for the desired programs. (Note that whether soldiers enlist primarily out of
idealism or as mercenaries is incidental.) Sufficient political and psychological support can
usually be generated (The surprising failure to inflame the Goutha gas attack into a major
war on Syria is one notable exception). Support can be achieved even in the face of strong
initial opposition, such as WWI and the Iraq war. As Saker mentions, the support can be
eroded when a war drags on too long without victory, such as Vietnam or Afghanistan.
It follows that an article such as Saker's will necessarily generate a strong opposition
reaction. After all, "support the troops" is itself one of these conditioning slogans that
drew the populace in in the first place. Simply recognizing propaganda creates cognitive
dissonance against what has been programmatically imbued, and people have to get past this
point to even consider that they might be acting from Milgram-like motives. Motivating people
to enter this state of psychological confusion so they can deprogram themselves is the
political trick.
This is probably easier for intellectuals, which include many on this site. Not because
they're smarter, but because temperamentally, they actually derive pleasure from the
headaches that accompany delving too deeply into confusing matters ;-).
1. Whether out of idealism or venality, there are a variety of sites, such as Saker's, Russia Insider, and notorious RT, which present viewpoints in general support of Russia.
2. The majority of the rest of the web (and news) presents viewpoints generally
denigrating Russia in nearly every way, from its economy, to government, to domestic and
foreign policy, to its military, and to its leadership (Putin!).
Regardless of motivation, each of these groups is busy telling us what's right with their
viewpoint, and how despicable is the other. The process reveals important information and
angles that the other side wouldn't publicize. Really, all you have to do is read critically
to identify and see past the authors prejudices. This is the point of free speech,
after all.
Pretty much all political arguments are meant to persuade readers, and I don't hold anyone
to blame for trying to be convincing. I do for outright lying, however, and I see a lot more
of that coming from #2 than #1. To the extent that #1 is "influencing elections", their main
effect IMHO is to bust propaganda bubbles of the MSM. And this effect is minor given the vast
resources allocated by #2 to their efforts.
Aren't sanctions (i.e., economic pressure) acts of aggression, too? Just as much as dropping
of bombs, boots on ground, etc.?
Anyway, I really like this article and was hoping it would come along sooner or later in
the wake of the 100th anniversary of the end of the "great" war. I am the only person I know
who doesn't suck up to the paid killers.
Regardless of motivation, each of these groups is busy telling us what's right with
their viewpoint, and how despicable is the other. The process reveals important information
and angles that the other side wouldn't publicize. Really, all you have to do is read
critically to identify and see past the authors prejudices. This is the point of free
speech, after all.
Or to put it bluntly:we .do ..NOT TRUST .Kremlin and Beijing.
Of course; we shouldn't. But then, we shouldn't trust Britain or Israel either. It's
really stupid to assume that a conflict of interest won't arise.
The point of diplomacy is to attempt to come to workable accommodations that have some
chance of implementing peaceful coexistence at a minimum, and preferably to discover common
interests that can be developed to mutual advantage. We'll have to accept or compromise on
irresolvable differences, and work so these don't become too abrasive.
This would be a nice change from the foreign policy of destruction in which the west has
been engaged. Country after country wishing to stay outside that orbit have been turned into
hell-holes, while the austerity economic policies of the west have destroyed their own
nations even from within.
I've been trying to understand why it's nice to read about development in China and
Russia. I've come to realize that it's uplifting to read about anyone engaging in
constructive activity, and it saddens me to see so little of that in the west along similar
lines. Not that Russia and China are neglecting their military, but nearly all large
scale western projects seem to be militaristic and destructive, to the exclusion of anything
else. Has the west lost its ability to do something inspiring?
The US is a country, that has been at war for most of its life. I believe only a mere 25
years of not waging or participating in a war. Hence its reverence for the military.
Yep, the ZUS is as addicted to war as a junkie to drugs over 90% of its history at war,
truly a rogue, insane country.
And in wars a lot of money can be made, lets not forget that
That's why one of the key elements of the ZUS deep state is the corrupt military
industrial complex.
May I ever so slightly differ from one of your points?
You stated; "The result of this will, however, be catastrophic for the top 100 U.S.
'defense' contractors, such as Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, and Raytheon, because then
all of those firms' foreign sales except to the Sauds, Israel and a few other feudal and
fascist regimes, will greatly decline."
I would suggest that these top US defense contractors sales will decline for the simple
reason that they would then have to compete with the rest of the world. One of these US
defense strategies had been to sell their products, or rather say force their products on
NATO no matter how inferior they were. If my memory serves me correctly the UK had a good
fighter jet in the Lightning, but the US forced NATO to buy the vastly inferior American
product which had many crashes and killed quite a few pilots.
But in the situation of a multi-polar world the US would have to really compete with the
likes of Russia and China, which as we know are already producing superior products and the
US has never really been able to compete in such an atmosphere.
There is one other statement which I would also like to differ upon: " a mono-polar world
is a world in which one nation stands above international law" and this statement is
flawed.
A mono-polar world' has never given the right for one nation to be above international
law. America did though start calling itself the International 'policeman', modelling itself
on something similar to a New York policeman stealing apples from a greengrocer's stand. Once
the US realised that there were no voices to be heard, they automatically progressed from the
uniform policeman to the likes of 'Al Capone', which I've noted many bent policemen do.
The trick for such policemen is to know when to retire and get out of the game, but the US
has never been able to retire, and now its fruits are coming back to haunt them.
Eisenhower's
worst nightmare has come true, as defense mega-contractors climb into the cockpit to ensure we
stay overextended. What President Dwight D. Eisenhower dubbed the "military-industrial
complex" has been constantly evolving over the decades, adjusting to shifts in the economic and
political system as well as international events. The result today is a "permanent-war
complex," which is now engaged in conflicts in at least eight countries across the globe, none
of which are intended to be temporary.
This new complex has justified its enhanced power and control over the country's resources
primarily by citing threats to U.S. security posed by Islamic terrorists. But like the old
military-industrial complex, it is really rooted in the evolving relationship between the
national security institutions themselves and the private arms contractors allied with
them.
The first phase of this transformation was a far-reaching privatization of U.S. military and
intelligence institutions in the two decades after the Cold War, which hollowed out the
military's expertise and made it dependent on big contractors (think Halliburton, Booz Allen
Hamilton, CACI). The second phase began with the global "war on terrorism," which quickly
turned into a permanent war, much of which revolves around the use of drone strikes.
The drone wars are uniquely a public-private military endeavor, in which major arms
contractors are directly involved in the most strategic aspect of the war. And so the drone
contractors -- especially the dominant General Atomics -- have both a powerful motive and the
political power, exercised through its clients in Congress, to ensure that the wars continue
for the indefinite future.
♦♦♦
The privatization of military and intelligence institutions began even before the end of the
Cold War. But during the 1990s, both Congress and the Bush and Clinton administrations opened
the floodgates to arms and intelligence contractors and their political allies. The contracts
soon became bigger and more concentrated in a handful of dominant companies. Between 1998 and
2003, private contractors were getting roughly half of the entire defense budget each year. The
50 biggest companies were getting more than half of the approximately $900 billion paid out in
contracts during that time, and most were no-bid contracts, sole sourced, according to the
Center for Public Integrity.
The contracts that had the biggest impact on the complex were for specialists working right
in the Pentagon. The number of these contractors grew so rapidly and chaotically in the two
decades after the Cold War that senior Pentagon officials did not even know the full extent of
their numbers and reach. In 2010, then-secretary of defense Robert M. Gates even confessed to
Washington Post reporters Dana Priest and William M. Arkin that he was unable to
determine how many contractors worked in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, which includes
the entire civilian side of the Pentagon.
Although legally forbidden from assuming tasks that were "inherent government functions," in
practice these contractors steadily encroached on what had always been regarded as government
functions. Contractors could pay much higher salaries and consulting fees than government
agencies, so experienced Pentagon and CIA officers soon left their civil service jobs by the
tens of thousands for plum positions with firms that often paid twice as much as the government
for the same work.
That was especially true in the intelligence agencies, which experienced a rapid 50 percent
workforce increase after 9/11. It was almost entirely done with former skilled officers brought
back as contractor personnel. Even President Barack Obama's CIA director Leon Panetta admitted
to Priest and Arkin that the intelligence community had for too long "depended on contractors
to do the operational work" that had always been done by CIA employees, including intelligence
analysis, and that the CIA needed to rebuild its own expertise "over time."
By 2010, "core contractors" -- those who perform such functions as collection and analysis
-- comprised at least 28 percent of professional civilian and military intelligence staff,
according to a fact sheet from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
The dependence on the private sector in the Pentagon and the intelligence community had
reached such a point that it raised a serious question about whether the workforce was now
"obligated to shareholders rather than to the public interest," as Priest and Arkin reported.
And both Gates and Panetta acknowledged to them their concerns about that issue.
Powerfully reinforcing that privatization effect was the familiar revolving door between the
Pentagon and arms contractors, which had begun turning with greater rapidity. A 2010 Boston
Globe investigation showed that the percentage of three- and four-star generals who left
the Pentagon to take jobs as consultants or executives with defense contractors, which was
already at 45 percent in 1993, had climbed to 80 percent by 2005 -- an 83 percent increase in
12 years.
The incoming George W. Bush administration gave the revolving door a strong push, bringing
in eight officials from Lockheed Martin -- then the largest defense contractor -- to fill
senior policymaking positions in the Pentagon. The CEO of Lockheed Martin, Peter Teets, was
brought in to become undersecretary of the Air Force and director of the National
Reconnaissance Office (where he had responsibility for acquisition decisions directly
benefiting his former company). James Roche, the former vice president of Northrop Grumman, was
named secretary of the Air Force, and a former vice president of General Dynamics, Gordon R.
England, was named the secretary of the Navy.
In 2007, Bush named rear admiral J. Michael McConnell as director of national intelligence.
McConnell had been director of the National Security Agency from 1992 to 1996, then became head
of the national security branch of intelligence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Not
surprisingly McConnell energetically promoted even greater reliance on the private sector, on
the grounds that it was supposedly more efficient and innovative than the government. In 2009
he returned once again to Booz Allen Hamilton as vice chairman.
The Pentagon and the intelligence agencies thus morphed into a new form of mixed
public-private institutions, in which contractor power was greatly magnified. To some in the
military it appeared that the privateers had taken over the Pentagon. As a senior U.S. military
officer who had served in Afghanistan commented to Priest and Arkin, "It just hits you like a
ton of bricks when you think about it. The Department of Defense is no longer a war-fighting
organization, it's a business enterprise."
♦♦♦
The years after 9/11 saw the national security organs acquire new missions, power, and
resources -- all in the name of a "War on Terror," aka "the long war." The operations in
Afghanistan and Iraq were sold on that premise, even though virtually no al Qaeda remained in
Afghanistan and none were in Iraq until long after the initial U.S. invasion.
The military and the CIA got new orders to pursue al Qaeda and affiliated groups in
Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and several other African countries, parlaying what the Bush
administration called a "generational war" into a guarantee that there would be no return to
the relative austerity of the post-Cold War decade.
Drone strikes against targets associated with al Qaeda or affiliated groups became the
common feature of these wars and a source of power for military and intelligence officials. The
Air Force owned the drones and conducted strikes in Afghanistan, but the CIA carried them out
covertly in Pakistan, and the CIA and the military competed for control over the strikes in
Yemen.
The early experience with drone strikes against "high-value targets" was an unmitigated
disaster. From 2004 through 2007, the CIA carried out 12 strikes in Pakistan, aimed at
high-value targets of al Qaeda and its affiliates. But they killed only three identifiable al
Qaeda or Pakistani Taliban figures, along with 121 civilians, based on analysis of news reports
of the strikes.
But on the urging of CIA Director Michael Hayden, in mid-2008 President Bush agreed to allow
"signature strikes" based merely on analysts' judgment that a "pattern of life" on the ground
indicated an al Qaeda or affiliated target. Eventually it became a tool for killing mostly
suspected rank-and-file Afghan Taliban fighters in both Pakistan and Afghanistan, particularly
during the Obama administration, which had less stomach and political capital for outright war
and came to depend on the covert drone campaign. This war was largely secret and less
accountable publicly. And it allowed him the preferable optics of withdrawing troops and ending
official ground operations in places like Iraq.
Altogether in its eight years in office, the Obama administration carried out a total of
nearly 5,000 drone strikes -- mostly in Afghanistan -- according to figures collected by the
Bureau of Investigative Journalism.
But between 2009 and 2013, the best informed officials in the U.S. government raised alarms
about the pace and lethality of this new warfare on the grounds that it systematically
undermined the U.S. effort to quell terrorism by creating more support for al Qaeda rather than
weakening it. Some mid-level CIA officers opposed the strikes in Pakistan as early as 2009,
because of what they had learned from intelligence gathered from intercepts of electronic
communications in areas where the strikes were taking place: they were infuriating Muslim males
and making them more willing to join al Qaeda.
In a secret May 2009 assessment leaked to the Washington Post , General David
Petraeus, then commander of the Central Command, wrote, "Anti-U.S. sentiment has already been
increasing in Pakistan especially in regard to cross-border and reported drone strikes, which
Pakistanis perceive to cause unacceptable civilian casualties."
More evidence of that effect came from Yemen. A 2013 report on drone war policy for the
Council on Foreign Relations found that membership in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in
Yemen grew from several hundred in 2010 to a few thousand members in 2012, just as the number
of drone strikes in the country was increasing dramatically -- along with popular anger toward
the United States.
Drone strikes are easy for a president to support. They demonstrate to the public that he is
doing something concrete about terrorism, thus providing political cover in case of another
successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Donald Trump has shown no interest in scaling back
the drone wars, despite openly questioning the stationing of troops across the Middle East and
Africa. In 2017 he approved a 100 percent increase in drone strikes in Yemen and a 30 percent
increase in Somalia above the totals of the final year of the Obama administration. And Trump
has approved a major increase in drone strikes in Afghanistan, and has eliminated rules aimed
at reducing civilian casualties from such strikes.
Even if Obama and Trump had listened to dissenting voices on the serious risks of drone wars
to U.S. interests, however, another political reality would have prevented the United States
from ending the drone wars: the role of the private defense contractors and their friends on
Capitol Hill in maintaining the status quo.
♦♦♦
Unlike conventional bombing missions, drone strikes require a team to watch the video feeds,
interpret them, and pass on their conclusions to their mission coordinators and pilots. By 2007
that required more specialists than the Air Force had available. Since then, the Air Force has
been working with military and intelligence contractors to analyze full-motion videos
transmitted by drones to guide targeting decisions. BAE, the third-ranking Pentagon contractor
according to defense revenues, claims that it is the "leading provider" of analysis of drone
video intelligence, but in the early years the list of major companies with contracts for such
work also included Booz Allen Hamilton, L-3 Communications, and SAIC (now Leidos).
These analysts were fully integrated into the "kill chain" that resulted, in many cases, in
civilian casualties. In the now-famous case of the strike in February 2010 that killed at least
15 Afghan civilians, including children, the "primary screener" for the team of six video
analysts in Florida communicating via a chat system with the drone pilot in Nevada was a
contract employee with SAIC. That company had a $49 million multi-year contract with the Air
Force to analyze drone video feeds and other intelligence from Afghanistan.
The pace of drone strikes in Afghanistan accelerated sharply after U.S. combat ended
formally in 2014. And that same year, the air war against ISIS began in Iraq and Syria. The Air
Force then began running armed drones around the clock in those countries as well. The Air
Force needed 1,281 drone pilots to handle as many "combat air patrols" per day in multiple
countries. But it was several hundred pilots short of that objective.
To fulfill that requirement the Air Force turned to General Atomics -- maker of the first
armed drone, the Predator, and a larger follow-on, the MQ-9 Reaper -- which had already been
hired to provide support services for drone operations on a two-year contract worth $700
million. But in April 2015 the Air Force signed a contract with the company to lease one of its
Reapers with its own ground control station for a year. In addition, the contractor was to
provide the pilots, sensor operators, and other crew members to fly it and maintain it.
The pilots, who still worked directly for General Atomics, did everything Air Force drone
pilots did except actually fire the missiles. The result of that contract was a complete
blurring of the lines between the official military and the contractors hired to work alongside
them. The Air Force denied any such blurring, arguing that the planning and execution of each
mission would still be in the hands of an Air Force officer. But the Air Force Judge Advocate
General's Office had published an article in its law review in 2010 warning that even the
analysis of video feeds risked violating international law prohibiting civilian participation
in direct hostilities.
A second contract with a smaller company, Aviation Unlimited, was for the provision of
pilots and sensor operators and referred to "recent increased terrorist activities," suggesting
that it was for anti-ISIS operations.
The process of integrating drone contractors into the kill chain in multiple countries thus
marked a new stage in the process of privatizing war in what had become a permanent war
complex. After 9/11, the military became dependent on the private sector for everything from
food, water, and housing to security and refueling in Iraq and Afghanistan. By 2009 contractors
began outnumbering U.S. troops in Afghanistan and eventually became critical for continuing the
war as well.
In June 2018, the DoD announced a $40 million contract with General Atomics to operate its
own MQ-9 Reapers in Afghanistan's Helmand Province. The Reapers are normally armed for
independent missile strikes, but in this case, the contractor-operated Reapers were to be
unarmed, meaning that the drones would be used to identify targets for Air Force manned
aircraft bombing missions.
♦♦♦
There appears to be no braking mechanism for this accelerating new reality. U.S. government
spending on the military drone market, which includes not only procurement and research and
development for the drones themselves, but the sensors, modifications, control systems, and
other support contracts, stood at $4.5 billion in 2016, and was expected to increase to $13
billion by 2027. General Atomics is now the dominant player in the arena.
This kind of income translates into political power, and the industry has shown its muscle
and more than once prevented the Pentagon from canceling big-ticket programs, no matter how
unwanted or wasteful. They have the one-two punch of strategically focused campaign
contributions and intensive lobbying of members with whom they have influence.
This was most evident between 2011 and 2013, after congressionally mandated budget
reductions cut into drone procurement. The biggest loser appeared to be Northrop Grumman's
"Global Hawk" drone, designed for unarmed high-altitude intelligence surveillance flights of up
to 32 hours.
By 2011 the Global Hawk was already 25 percent over budget, and the Pentagon had delayed the
purchase of the remaining planes for a year to resolve earlier failures to deliver adequate
"near real time" video intelligence.
After a subsequent test, however, the Defense Department's top weapons tester official
reported in May 2011 that the Global Hawk was "not operationally effective" three fourths of
the time, because of "low vehicle reliability." He cited the "failure" of "mission central
components" at "high rates." In addition, the Pentagon still believed the venerable U-2 Spy
plane -- which could operate in all weather conditions, unlike the Global Hawk -- could carry
out comparable high-altitude intelligence missions.
As a result, the DoD announced in 2012 that it would mothball the aircraft it had already
purchased and save $2.5 billion over five years by foregoing the purchase of the remaining
three drones. But that was before Northrop Grumman mounted a classic successful lobbying
campaign to reverse the decision.
That lobbying drive produced a fiscal year 2013 defense appropriations law that added $360
million for the purchase of the final three Global Hawks. In Spring 2013, top Pentagon
officials indicated that they were petitioning for "relief" from congressional intent. Then the
powerful chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, California Republican Buck McKeon, and
a member of the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee, Democrat Jim Moran of Virginia,
wrote a letter to incoming Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on May 13, 2013, pressing him to fund
the acquisition of the Global Hawks.
The Pentagon finally caved. The Air Force issued a statement pledging to acquire the last
three Northrop Grumman spy planes, and in early 2014, Hagel and Dempsey announced that they
would mothball the U-2 and replace it with the Global Hawk.
Northrop spent nearly $18 million on lobbying in 2012 and $21 million in 2013, fielding a
phalanx of lobbyists determined to help save Global Hawk. It got what it wanted.
Meanwhile, Northrop's political action committee had already made contributions of at least
$113,000 to the campaign committee of House Armed Services Committee Chairman McKeon, who also
happened to represent the Southern California district where Northrop's assembly plant for the
Global Hawk is located. Representative Moran, the co-author of the letter with McKeon, who
represented the northern Virginia district where Northrop has its headquarters, had gotten
$22,000 in contributions.
Of course Northrop didn't ignore the rest of the House Armed Services Committee: they were
recipients of at least $243,000 in campaign contributions during the first half of 2012.
♦♦♦
The Northrop Grumman triumph dramatically illustrates the power relationships underlying the
new permanent-war complex. In the first half of 2013 alone, four major drone contractors --
General Atomics, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing -- spent $26.2 million lobbying
Congress to pressure the executive branch to keep the pipeline of funding for their respective
drone systems flowing freely. The Center for the Study of the Drone observed, "Defense
contractors are pressuring the government to maintain the same levels of investment in unmanned
systems even as the demand from the traditional theatres such as Afghanistan dies down."
Instead of dying down, the demand from drones in Afghanistan has exploded in subsequent
years. By 2016, the General Atomics Reapers had already become so tightly integrated into U.S.
military operations in Afghanistan that the whole U.S. war plan was dependent on them. In the
first quarter of 2016 Air Force data showed that 61 percent of the weapons dropped in
Afghanistan were from the drones.
In the new permanent-war complex the interests of the arms contractors have increasingly
dominated over the interests of the civilian Pentagon and the military services, and dominance
has became a new driving force for continued war. Even though those bureaucracies, along with
the CIA, seized the opportunity to openly conduct military operations in one country after
another, the drone war has introduced a new political dynamic into the war system: the drone
makers who have powerful clout in Congress can use their influence to block or discourage an
end to the permanent war -- especially in Afghanistan -- which would sharply curtail the demand
for drones.
Eisenhower was prophetic in his warning about the threat of the original complex (which he
had planned to call the military-industrial-congressional complex) to American democracy. But
that original complex, organized merely to maximize the production of arms to enhance the power
and resources of both the Pentagon and their contractor allies, has become a much more serious
menace to the security of the American people than even Eisenhower could have anticipated. Now
it is a system of war that powerful arms contractors and their bureaucratic allies may have the
ability to maintain indefinitely.
Gareth Porter is an investigative reporter and regular contributor to. He is also
the author of Manufactured Crisis: The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare.
A new report from Brown University is aiming to provide a close estimate of the cost of the
overall cost to the US government of its myriad post-9/11 wars and assorted global wars on
terror. The estimate is that $5.933 trillion has been spent through fiscal year 2019.
This is, of course, vastly higher than official figures, owing to the Pentagon trying to
oversimplify the costs into simply overseas contingency operations. It is only when one
considers the cost of medical and disability care for soldiers, and future such costs, along
with things like the interest on the extra money borrowed for the wars, that the true cost
becomes clear.
That sort of vast expenditure is only the costs and obligations of the wars so far, and with
little sign of them ending, they are only going to grow. In particular, a generation of wars is
going to further add to the medical costs for veterans' being consistently deployed abroad.
Starting in late 2001, the US has engaged in wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan,
Yemen, and elsewhere around the world. Many of those wars have become more or less permanent
operations, with no consideration of ending them under any circumstances.
Congress commissioned a report from the National Defense Strategy Commission on Pentagon
readiness. It is relatively predictable what these reports would boil down to, because they
always come down to the same conclusion.
The report uses the typical scare-mongering to try to justify an increase in expenditures,
claiming that the US "might struggle to win, or perhaps lose, a war against China or Russia,"
and that the US might be "overwhelmed" in the even of two or more war fronts
simultaneously.
This echoes, if perhaps in even more dire terms, past reports that also claimed the constant
fighting of several wars is eroding readiness, and that the US needs to spend even more money.
The problem is, the increased spending has kept being approved, and every time, it leads to a
new round of reports warning that they need all the more money.
The US is always spending many-fold more money than anyone else, and fighting more wars than
anyone else. Yet despite nations like Russia increasingly limiting their military goals, the
reports are forever claiming Russia is seriously a threat to carry out attacks on the US
home-front. Such claims are preposterous, but have reliably worked in getting more money.
My study of Jewish ID politics suggests that America isn't just influenced by one Jewish
lobby or another. The entire American political-cultural-spiritual spectrum has been
transformed into a internal Jewish exchange. Most American do not see the true nature of the
battle they participate in and, for the obvious reasons, their media and their academics do not
help. It is more convenient to keep Americans in the dark.
America is rapidly moving towards a civil war. The divide isn't only ideological or
political. The split is geographical, spiritual, educational and demographical. In a
Vox article titled, "The Midterm Elections Revealed that America is in a Cold Civil War,"
Zack Beauchamp writes, "This is a country fundamentally split in two, with no real room for
compromise." Of the midterm election Beauchamp reports that "American politics is polarized not
on the basis of class or even ideology, but on identity One side open to mass immigration and
changes to the country's traditional racial hierarchy, the other is deeply hostile to it." He
correctly observes that "Republicans and Democrats see themselves as part of cultural groups
that are fundamentally distinct: They consume different media and attend different churches;
live in distinct kinds of places and rarely interact with people who disagree with them."
Despite this American schism, Israel and its Lobby are somehow able to influence both sides,
managing to finding pathways to the secluded corridors of both parties. Although Democrats and
Republicans can no longer talk to each other, it seems that both are happy to talk to Israel
and the Lobby. And it is at AIPAC's annual conference that these political foes compete in
their eagerness to appease a foreign state. This anomaly in American politics demands
attention.
As a former Israeli, I had not observed the effects of the Israel/ Jewish Diaspora dilemma
until I had my experience at the Student Union Hall in Britain. Israel was born with the
Zionist desire to eradicate the identity of Jews as cosmopolitans. Zionism promised to bond the
Jew with the soil, with a territory, with borders. Thus, it is consistent with the Zionist
paradigm that Israel is notorious for its appalling treatment ofasylum seekers, immigrants and,
of course, the indigenous people of the land. Israel has surrounded itself with separation
walls. Israel deployed hundreds of snipers in its fight to stop the March of Return – a
'caravan' of Palestinian refugees who were marching towards its border. Israel has been putting
into daily practice that which Trump has promised to deliver. For a Trump supporter, Israel's
politics is a wet dream. Maybe Trump should consider tweaking his motto in 2020 into 'Let's
make America Israel.' This would encompass building separation walls, bullying America's
neighbors, the potential to cleanse America of the 'enemy within,' and so on. It is not
surprising that in 2016
Trump beat Clinton in an Israeli absentee exit poll . The Israelis do love Trump. To them,
he is a vindication of their hawkish ideological path. Although during the election Trump was
castigated as a vile anti-Semite and a Hitler figure by the Jewish progressive press, once
elected,
Fox News was quick to point out that Trump was actually the 'First Jewish President.'
We can see that Israel, Trump and his voters have a lot in common. They want militant anti
immigration policies , they love 'walls,' they hate Muslims and they believe in borders. When
alt right icon Richard Spencer described himself on Israeli TV as "a White Zionist" he was
actually telling the truth. Israel puts into practice the ideas that Spencer and Trump can so
far only entertain. But the parallels between Israel and the Trump administration's Republican
voters is just one side of the story.
... ... ...
The story of Jewish political strength in America doesn't end there. A New York Jew can
easily metamorphosize from an hard-core Identitarian into rabid Zionist settler and vice
versa, but such a manoeuvre is not available to ordinary Americans. White nationalist
Richard Spencer can not make the political shift that would turn him into a progressive or a
liberal just as it is unlikely that a NY transsexual icon would find it possible to become a
'redneck.' While Jewish political identity is inherently elastic and can morph endlessly, the
American political divide is fairly rigid. Jewish ideologists frequently change positions and
camps, they shift from left to right, from Clinton to Trump (Dershowitz), they support
immigration in their host counties yet oppose it in their own Jewish State, they are against
rigid borders and even states in general, yet support the two state solution in Palestine
(Chomsky). Gentiles are less flexible. They are expected to be coherent and consistent.
It was this manoeuvrability that made PM Netanyahu's 2015 speech in front of a joint session
of Congress a 'success,' although it might well have been considered a humiliation for any
American with an ounce of patriotic pride. As we wellknow, Bibi can communicate easily with
both Republicans and Democrats just as he cansimultaneously befriend Trump and Putin. ....
Reading the article the thought came up 'when will the USA, the majority of USA citizens,
(begin to) realise that the era of USA foreign politics for internal political reasons, is
over, no longer affordable ?'
The 19th century USA Civil War was horrible, as with all civil wars it was, to a large extent
a foreign war.
If indeed again a USA civil war starts, I'm not optimistic about the possibility of
preventing it, not much of the present USA will still be there at the end, fysically.
And, will there still be a political USA when the fighting stops, or will it end as Germany,
the foreign victors creating the USA they want ?
A USA, as Germany now under Merkel, intent on destroying itself culturally ?
So good to see Gilad Atzmon here at Unz. I have read his two books, The Wandering Who?
and Being in Time , and can thoroughly recommend them.
These Jewish bodies tend to preach inclusiveness while practicing exclusivity.
But of course! They first begged for inclusion into our powers structures, then once we
complied, they returned the favor by taking them over and excluding us from them.
This is a bit reductive. This commenter does not recognize himself in the dichotomy above.
When forced to choose a race on bureaucratic forms, this commenter enters 'human.' Letting
them call you an American opens you up for intensely manipulative statist propaganda. And
when you know your rights – your human rights, as opposed to your bullshit half-assed
revoked constitutional rights – your race is incidental. You know that
nondiscrimination underpins your ethics and the law.
This sort of identity is certainly ferociously suppressed by the Israeli fifth column.
Falk is this kind of guy too, a Jew but so what, and look what they did to him. Ajamu Baraka
too. This overwhelming tidal wave of immigrants from the global south: they grew up with
human rights, including the crucial right to solidarity, which negates all the invidious
aspects of identity politics. Basically, as a human you side with underdogs worldwide:
Okinawans, Palestinians, landless Latin Americans, Africans, you name it. Cohesive social
forces are not confined to ethnic groups.
Tensions behind the Iron Curtain inside the US are incidental. The real conflict is us
humans versus overreaching states. Given the downtrodden nature of the US subject population,
this conflict is playing out mainly outside US borders. The left/right continuum has always
been a CIA construction. Statists and humanists array on an orthogonal axis, and that
contention continued when CIA rolled the old left up. Cosmopolitans have not gone away.
Israel may be infecting the US with statist divide et impera, but humanist institutions
are penetrating Israel too. Look what's happening as the HRC and other human rights treaty
bodies review Israel.
Israel is formally accused of interpreting its commitments in bad faith. This allows
treaty bodies to gang up and apply international criminal law to Israeli torture, murder, and
extermination. It's already happening to criminal US officials. Israel's next.
Atzmon is right re "New York Jews", them being potentially mutable. But, Israelis, being
normal nationalists, cannot show the same level of "shape-shifting". A multiculturalist
minority in one country can become other nation's nationalist majority. Just, Israeli
nationalists cannot become Israeli open borders advocates, multiculturalists, globalists etc.
Only a minority population, basically strangers in another country, can practice various
ways of behavior. Host, dominant culture in a country- cannot. Dershowitz can change
positions; just, both Netanyahu & any Israeli labor politician can not.
It's the hypocrisy that pisses everyone off with Jews. Few people, especially on the right,
have any issue with a nation defending itself. It's that the same Jews who are trying to
shove diversity/multiculturalism/refugees 49.Reuben Kaspate says: November 14, 2018 at 3:42
pm GMT Civil war? How soon are we talking here? Perhaps, the status quo will be the
foreseeable future just humming along. down our throats are either supportive or silent when
it comes to Israel making itself into a pure ethnostate behind barbed wire.
But at a certain point in my life, around my thirties, I started to find all of it too
exhausting. I wanted to simplify things. I demoted myself into an ordinary human being.
A lot of people want this, but ordinary humans beings also have to live in societies
– and quite sophisticated ones at that. Elected representatives (or leadership) need
responsibility and integrity for it to work.
THE US JOINS THE 3RD WORLD
Government responsibility and integrity are not guaranteed (notably in places like Africa
and S.E. Asia), but the United States is probably the leading example of a government failure
in an advanced society. In the US, like much of the 3rd world, special interests (minority
ethnic and commercial) loot the public through a corrupt bargain with the holders of
political power. Hillary Clinton was the classic example, with the same "Pay to Play"
philosophy as the usual leadership of the Philippines or the Congo.
The 3rd world antidotes are Nationalism and Populism, but having gained power, political
leaders usually sell out (sounds familiar). Also the public of the US have learnt to be
trusting, and find it hard to believe that they've been hit by a classic 3rd world
problem.
In the US, Zionists have looted $ trillions in support of their Special Interest (Israel)
and corporations have extracted many more $ trillions through the mass outsourcing of entire
industries, complete with their technology and supply networks to Asia. It's not engraved in
stone that US industry, had to relocated to Asia or Indians have to be recruited for its IT
work. Germany and Japan for example, have held onto their industrial leadership in recent
decades and the US could have done the same. At one time the US was the world leader in US
based automobile production (Detroit), steel, aluminium, camera and film, industrial
chemicals, communications equipment, computers and electronics, aircraft and aerospace (still
partly) etc. With what's left in mostly in services and retail (often looted by Hedge Fund
asset strippers).
In other words, under a genuine post WW2 "America First" policy involving top quality
national education, research and government support of leading industries, the US could still
be the world's leading industrial and economic power and not have to worry about debt,
deficits and social decline, and also find plenty of jobs for Latino migrants.
However, the US got instead its present 3rd world style corrupt elite who know that
nationalism is their Nº1 enemy.
Only Anglos can mount a nationalist challenge, hence the paranoia when Trump arrived on
the scene with his "America First" dialogue and Anglo base. In contrast, the whole apparatus
of the Zioglob/ deep state/MSM defence is Identitarian, and aimed at destroying the
foundations of Anglo society, with LGBT, "White guilt dialectics", multiculturalism,
exclusion from Ivy League universities, Hollywood slime, speech laws, statue demolition,
in-your-face Africanization, massive debt, political corruption, open frontiers and exporting
middle class jobs.
CHINA JOINS THE 1ST WORLD
The Chinese seem to be doing it right.They have an explicit national policy to gain and
hold top positions in key world industries and make it a joint national effort to succeed
(especially in national human development/education). Also when they find corrupt government
officials (even at high levels) they quickly put them on trial and shoot them.
Winston Churchill talked about this/these divisions in the Jewish people in the 1930s, back
before Israel became a Jewish ethnostate – he presented the main 2 divisions between
ethnic Jews who fell down in to the worst forms of Communism, Bolshevism, Anarchism in Russia
and Eastern Europe and those other ethnic Jews who were sort of doing OK being loyal to their
European/American countries especially England they lived in while also promoting a healthier
form of Zionism working for some eventual Jewish national state somewhere probably in then
British administered Palestine.
Zionism vs Communism – a struggle for the Jewish Soul:
Churchill didn't present the extremely bad alternative we had today:
Jews in the diasapora everywhere from Russia to Poland to Germany, France, England,
Canada, Sweden Australia, few left in South Africa our USA doing this:
Promoting Israel over everything as an exclusively Jewish ethno state with endless US, UK
other wars against Israel's neighbors and .
Promoting the worst forms of multi culturalism, open borders immigration in to the West,
Jewish media mafia domination/monopoly of the mainstream media, social media in USA, UK,
Sweden etc promoting the worst forms of porn, rap music, fake news, endless movies and TV
shows demonizing all White European men as evil Racists, rapists – promoting the worst
Jewish feminists/lesbians to the US Supreme Court, Rachel Maddow type news commentary
etc.
I have long admired your noble efforts on behalf of the Palestinian people. You often
write in ways that resonate with me, and I'm glad to see you here at The Unz Review.
Israel deployed hundreds of snipers in its fight to stop the March of Return – a
'caravan' of Palestinian refugees who were marching towards its border. Israel has been
putting into daily practice that which Trump has promised to deliver. For a Trump
supporter, Israel's politics is a wet dream.
But I have to tell you, you're waaayyy off with this characterization of Trump
supporters.
There are, I'm sure, a lot of brain-dead "Christian" Zionists who drool at the prospect of
slaughtered Palestinians, because murdering Christ's modern day relatives living in his lands
are the only way to force Jesus to return and give them their rapture. And I suppose there
are perhaps a fraction of a percentage point of people who actually want Trump to throw out
(or murder) all non-whites to create the kind of racial purity Bibi and his crew of
psychopaths are demanding for Israel.
But from what I've seen, and being one of them, as to the vast majority of what you call
"Trump supporters", the idea of murdering people in order to steal their land, is a monstrous
absurdity.
For the record, we voted for Trump to end the demonic reign of terror and mass
murder in the Middle East. The very kind of mass-murder and daily atrocities that were
cackling Hillary's ("we came, we saw, he died) and Bill's ("it's worth it") trademark.
We voted for Trump as a repudiation of those evils, that had long stained our national
soul, and indeed had made America the kind of place Bibi was pleased with.
We did not vote for Trump to murder and steal, or otherwise do anyone harm. We voted for
Trump to do the opposite, and end the Eternal Wars for Israel. No one on the Alt-right likes
the wars. We simply want to be left alone, to pursue our humble lives unmolested by
globalists and their nefarious designs for us. Is that so terrible?
. In fact, Israel has become a prime model for American nationalists.
with all due respect, that is a vile smear, Sir.
Where are these 'white nationalists' who're demanding we terrorize and murder and steal
other people's land? Eh?
For the record, white nationalists are today's Palestinians. What they're demanding is
that they don't have to give up the lands they have, and were born on, and be forced out to
make room for unlimited others. Or forced to assimilate to an Hispanic or Muslim culture and
way of life. Is that so egregious? To want to persevere as an American in an American
culture, with hostility to none, and trade with and good relations with all and any who
respond in good faith?
Why is it that all white people, from Europe to N. America and everywhere else, are all
expected to invite every non-white, non-Western, often hostile armies of (especially military
age young men) into our lands, and then treat them better than the indigenous, white second
class citizens?
What is it with that?!
Either Germans and Swedes and Americans hand over their nations or we're all going to be
called "Nazis" or "racists" or God help us, "Zionists".
WTF?
We can see that Israel, Trump and his voters have a lot in common. They want militant
anti immigration policies , they love 'walls,' they hate Muslims and they believe in
borders.
well, only the stupidest imbecile on the planet doesn't believe in borders. (or, an
ideologue that wants to see *certain* nations destroyed by armies of immigrants –
hostile or otherwise).
No one wants recognized borders more than the Palestinians. It is Israel that refused to
state its border, because it want to steal more land. How many Trump voters do you hear
talking about stealing other people's land? (I'm not talking about lunatics like Bolton.
American nationalists despise Bolton and McCain and all the rest of the Zionist, globalist
scum)
And I don't personally know of any reasonable American nationalist who 'hates Muslims'.
They just don't want them all here. Have you ever heard of Kosovo, Mr. Atzmon? There
are neighborhoods in Michigan that were Polish Catholic for generations. And they liked it
that way. They never hated Muslims or anyone else. But they do hate having their communities
taken over by alien peoples with alien cultures and now have to listen to 'calls to prayer'
at five in the morning every day. And demands for Sharia and other clashes with their former
way of life.
Are these people rabid Zionists demanding to murder people and steal their land, just
because they don't want throngs of Muslims coming in and transforming their community into
something they don't recognize or have any predilection for. Are they simply too racist and
hateful, and need to learn to assimilate? Eh?
I don't know who this Spencer guy is, and he sound like controlled opposition to me.
It would be wrong to equate nationalism with the frothing's of some so called
"white-Zionist". The only white Zionists I know of are the lunatic "Christian" Zionists.
The nationalists I know of simply want to be left -the fuck- alone!
Stop demanding that we hand over our country to people who don't appreciate it. (Indeed,
often hate it) Stop demanding that we doom our children to living in a nation that puts them
last in every way, behind every single non-white immigrate that can get to these shores. It
is insane to want to have people come to your nation who will be a burden, who often hate you
and yours, not to mention your culture, and want to displace you. It is insane to insist that
millions of people come in and compete with your children on an un-level playing field. Every
non-White immigrant that comes here gets Affirmative Action promotions and jobs and
university preference over the white children who were born here. Unless you hate white
people, that state of affairs is insane.
And yet here we are being badgered as thieving, psychotic murderous goons (Zionists)
simply for wanting what every single sane person on the planet wants: to preserve our way of
life and hand it down to our progeny – for them to have a decent life and hope for
theirs in turn.
And yet somehow, if we have white skin, wanting this is the most evil and wicked and
racist thing imaginable!
@Rurik White nationalists are a mixed bunch, going from the very bad (as Atzmon) sees
them to, maybe, the peaks of sainthood you attribute to them.
The whole idea of legit owners of land is a rationalization: everybody (meaning: every
group) took from someone else the land where they are, and did so by combat and might.
Sure, in our more civilized times we'd like such things to be relegated in the past, borders
to become stable, and ethnic cleansing and warfare to be a closed chapter.
These are wishes and words about said wishes, though.
Do you own a swath of land in the countryside, by chance? I do, and over the years all of
the three of my neighbours have applied pressure to broaden their owned land so as to include
a bit more than mine. Being the first stripe allowed, they'd go on, until I were left with no
land at all, all of this while seeing themselves as honest.
Whoever owns land, and whoever doesn't have a need to believe Jews worse than other people
knows what human nature is like when it comes to property, borders, and expansion.
Do you own a swath of land in the countryside, by chance? I do, and over the years all
of the three of my neighbours have applied pressure to broaden their owned land so as to
include a bit more than mine.
I doubt your neighbors have attacked you, burned your land, cut off or poisoned your water
and then confiscated your house and land ..as is the case of Israel's theft of Palestine.
This is the 21 century, not the 17th or 18th century.
"... For his first two years in office, he sunk nearly all his political capital into enacting huge tax cuts for the rich, wholesale Wall Street deregulation, large increases in military spending, and an extremely pro-Israel foreign policy -- exactly the sort of policies near-and-dear to the establishment conservative candidates whom he had crushed in the Republican primaries. Meanwhile, his jilted grassroots supporters have had to settle for some radical rhetoric and a regular barrage of outrageous Tweets rather than anything more substantive. ..."
"... With Republicans in full control of Congress, finding excuses for this widespread betrayal was quite difficult, but now that the Democrats have taken the House, Trump's apologists can more easily shift the blame over to them. ..."
"... Both Trump's supporters and his opponents claim that his presidency represents a drastic break from Republican business-as-usual, and surely that was the hope of many of the Americans who voted for him in 2016, but the actual reality often seems rather different. ..."
"... Although the net election results were not particularly bad for the Republicans, the implications of several state races seem extremely worrisome. The highest profile senate race was in Texas, and Trump may have narrowly dodged a bullet. ..."
Perhaps the loss of the House may actually prove to be a mixed blessing for Trump. Democrats
will achieve control of all the investigative committees and their accusations and subpoenas
will make Trump's life even more miserable than it was before, while surely removing any chance
that significant elements of Trump's remaining agenda will ever be enacted.
However, although Trump had reached the presidency by advocating a radical
populist-nationalist agenda, he has hardly governed in those terms. For his first two years in
office, he sunk nearly all his political capital into enacting huge tax cuts for the rich,
wholesale Wall Street deregulation, large increases in military spending, and an extremely
pro-Israel foreign policy -- exactly the sort of policies near-and-dear to the establishment
conservative candidates whom he had crushed in the Republican primaries. Meanwhile, his jilted
grassroots supporters have had to settle for some radical rhetoric and a regular barrage of
outrageous Tweets rather than anything more substantive.
With Republicans in full control of
Congress, finding excuses for this widespread betrayal was quite difficult, but now that the
Democrats have taken the House, Trump's apologists can more easily shift the blame over to
them.
Meanwhile, a considerably stronger Republican Senate will certainly ease the way for Trump's
future court nominees, especially if another Supreme Court vacancy occurs, and there will be
little chance of any difficult Kavanaugh battles. However, here once again, Trump's supposed
radicalism has merely been rhetorical. Kavanaugh and nearly all of his other nominees have been
very mainstream Republican choices, carefully vetted by the Federalist Society and other
conservative establishment groups, and they would probably have been near the top of the list
if Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio were sitting in the Oval Office.
Both Trump's supporters and his opponents claim that his presidency represents a drastic
break from Republican business-as-usual, and surely that was the hope of many of the Americans
who voted for him in 2016, but the actual reality often seems rather different.
Although the net election results were not particularly bad for the Republicans, the
implications of several state races seem extremely worrisome. The highest profile senate race
was in Texas, and Trump may have narrowly dodged a bullet. Among our largest states, Texas
ranks as by far the most solidly Republican, and therefore it serves as the central lynchpin of
every Republican presidential campaign. The GOP has won every major statewide race for more
than twenty years, but despite such seemingly huge advantages, incumbent Sen. Ted Cruz faced a
very difficult reelection race against a young border-area Congressman named Beto O'Rourke, who
drew enormous enthusiasm and an ocean of local and national funding.
>>Johnstone: The Best Way To Honor War Veterans Is To Stop Creating Them<<
Preach!
The military defends Money Power Monopolist Mega-Corporate Fascist Global Empire, not
America, and definitely NOT the Constitution. The New Deal effectively wiped out the
Constitution, which was the "Old Deal."
Syria and Iran aren't threats, they are countries that don't have debt-based money systems
controlled by the Money Power Monopolists.
"In a sense, there is no "future". Currently, you note a consolidation of the few
remaining countries without a "central bank" ...and how rapidly this is occurring. Look for
Syria next to fall, and fall quickly.
North Korea has already cut a deal under the aegis of China...feit accompli. Cuba has also
agreed to the North American integration once Fidel "passes".
That leaves IRAN. And biblical prophesy. The fallout from that conflict sets the stage for
the true new world order as has been broadcast in the media for the last 13 years or so."
~Unnamed Rothschild
The establishment of central banks is ALWAYS a necessary first step of subjugation of
geographically congregated bloodlines. Note that Libya's first official act, before even the
corpses turned stiff...was the establishment of a central bank. Those rebel forces were
certainly well schooled by someone!
~Unnamed Rothschild
Amazing how Libyan rebels took time out of their daily war duties to establish a CENTRAL
BANK! Imagine the paperwork in getting that done on the battlefield!
Those rebels are a well educated lot!
Laughing out Loud!
Seriously, don't the serfs notice things like this?
~Unnamed Rothschild
The financier of the military makes it clear they are attacking Western countries -
monetarily and economically.
"Remember, the equity and bond markets exist only to remove fiat from circulation!"
~Unnamed Rothschild
Our soldiers joined, were trained, given orders. The best way to honor veterans is to quit
putting it on them. This is the government we have because it is the government we
want. It's the government we allow. This is on all of us . I think it's time for
people who are dissatisfied with the treatment of veterans, with the voter fraud, with the
lies and theft of elected officials, local, state, and federal, tired of the media lying to
us and creating fake events... perhaps it's time to peacefully strike. Perhaps it's time to
say No to vote fraud, to say No to lies and deceit.
Perhaps it's time to peacefully petition the government for redress of grievances. That's
a Constitutional Right guaranteed to Citizens of the United States. That requires an active,
constructive peaceful assembly. Everyone has had it up to the eyes with this ******** and
this con-game we're being fed.
I'd rather get stomped to death than live on with this never ending slow coup against We
The People. We hold the power. Just us. We designate that power. It should be here to protect
us. That social contract deserves respect. You may be watching the only chance in your life
that you could do anything about it, given the current President and his attitude. I really
think that. It's not enough to watch the Proud Boys punch an Antifa in the jaw. That doesn't
do it for me. That's theatre.
My girlfriends father is old army security. I'm paying the bill at Dennys and he says, let
me put my military discount on that. So he's behind a guy in an Operation Iraqi Freedom
jacket. He says, hey; I like your jacket. The guy looks at him and he says, nice hat. Army
Security Agency. The military deserves more than a discount at ******* Denny's. They deserve
a country. So do I. So do you. But there's not going to be any country if we don't peacefully
come together to hang every last traitor scumbag lying trasonous seditious bastard by just
saying NO! Arrest these traitors! I don't want my vote raped. I don't want my speach raped.
Or yours! I don't give a **** about illegals or their kids because I take care of my kids
legally and lawfully and didn't put them in that **** expecting a parent of the century
award.
I don't ******* care what you call yourself. But if it's more important than your right to
call yourself whatever you want, you are my enemy and I tell you no.
If it's legal to vote and legal to be off work to vote, to peacefully assemble, it should
be legal to redress government. It's time to show out. It's time to say we want this ********
to stop. We have paid very well for the lifestyles and presidential libraries and foundations
and kept all the traitors in good health. But we reserve the right to cut you off if you
abuse our sacrifice to you and our votes to you. We reserve the right without prejudice to
say NO. That's our right. And until we say NO! our silence equals consent.
I say NO. I say **** THE SEDITIOUS TRAITORS trying to hold on to rape us of all our
Rights. And I say long live Trump for giving our country back to us at inauguration. That's
what's up. Let's peacefully **** these people up. USE IT OR LOSE IT.
And from a movie that says the futility of it all: "We fight because we are here." Imagine
dying in the trenches of WWI or in a shithole like the trenches of Korea.
The least we could do is to learn what really happened and why. I realize I was taught an
endless string of lies about history, especially US History, WWI, WWII, Vietnam war.
Be very careful and informed before joining the military.
Libtards don't really know much about anything, so it seems. Here's the deal:
As long as there are assholes in the world, there will be wars.
I don't have a problem with that. It's the world that I live in. It's been the case
throughout all of human history. A world without wars is pure ******* fantasy. It will never
happen. It's high time that libtards start accepting the world that they live in.
The problem that we're having , is that we're shooting the wrong assholes instead
of the right ones. But you know what? All of human history shows that problems like that are
always remedied as well. And if you're doing some soul-searching, trying to figure out who
the assholes are, they're probably going to be any group of people, who can't leave other
groups of people the hell alone .
Not surprisingly, the 20th century seems to be characterized by assholes fighting each
other.
Our psychopathic dna as a nation comes mainly from england, one of the most, if not the
most murdering countries in history. england cruelly colonized Asia and Africa, and literally
never stopped murdering the innocents. Now as our ALLY, among the other killing nations, such
as France and Germany, we the USA can kill literally any country or countries for any reason
or no reason.
we as the american people will be blamed for all the monstrous destruction and
innocents deaths. separation of our country and our politicians would be necessary if we are
to have a future. looking dim. why are we still dirty, and killing innocents, why are we
allowing saudi and israel to mass murder innocent women and children ?
no one cares enough
yet. you would think by 2018 we all would have banned war and conflict, we have not. this
makes me sick. I am a vet.
I'm actually thinking of not watching football anymore the war propaganda is constant. I
went to a game and it was like walking into an armed camp. Hundreds of cops and military.
Every five minutes they're marching around and everyone has to "honor" them. It's disgusting.
All the players are told to kiss every soldiers ***. The Army are the terrorists. They all
make me want to puke.
In Australia at the moment the suicide rate is a shocker among those coming back from
Afghanistan, Iraq and places unknown, the solution they are proposing is for priority airport
treatment and more medals and other stuff along the model the US has, which is an insult as it
does nothing to financially support or mentally cure, its a cop out.
Very few wars are even about righting some amazing wrong. They merely tend to be about
treasure i.e. nat gas, oil, rare earth materials, diamonds, water, blah blah blah. And, if
there happens to be some fight, ala WWII, then you can bet your *** on it that all corporate
assholes are funding and benefiting from the war....on both sides of the coin i.e. backing
each side until a peace is called.
I don't have an answer to the human condition or our propensity to be violent and fight
etc., but I sure as **** am not cool with sacking places, and killing kids, over *******
things. We're better than this.
I have 2 kids myself. You can all be on notice that if a bomb were to be dropped on my
house, and if my kids were killed, I would likely devolve and start picking off the low
hanging fruit i.e. the zombies shuffling in and out of said bomb makers companies, and
wasting them 1 person as a time. I'd slowly, if still able, work my way up to the execs.
Hopefully, and along the way, I'd be able to wipe shareholders off of the grid, also.
When you go off to fight for "freedom", and arrive home to find that you have little to no
real freedom and essentially live in a police state, it's a shocking blow.
This sounds like something I would write. And even the damn CHURCHES honor the veteran
"serving" his country. What a crock of ****. I tell the pastor that he will be judged harshly
when his time comes. And I tell Christians that because they support the rampant murder of
millions that when they die and are standing before Jesus for judgement they will be soaked
in the blood of the innocent and he will ask you why did you support this? Why did you not
speak out against it? Then I look at them and say "good luck because you're gonna need
it".
The world is not ruled by pure evil yet. In Brazil A nationalist was elected, in Italy and
much of eastern Europe other nationalists were elected. You think the Chinese protected the
Italian and Brazilian right to free and fair elections? You think Russia is the arsenal of
freedom? You think the EU upheld the votes of the people, allowing Britain to vote on leaving
the EU and Italy and eastern Europe? You think the unelected rulers of the EU respected other
peoples right to vote? Look out onto the world, and recognize that as of today, the nations
of the world have A group to join if they chose to fight for liberty, capitalism and all the
other virtues, and that group is grounded and guaranteed by the United States of America. In
G-d I trust.
Hopeful thinking for a hopeless reality. Truth is tyrants never fall by their own swords.
It always takes someone else's. The modern problem is a bit more complex when we make the
tyrants that we later topple. The toppling is where the bucks are... just ask any of the the
last 4 Presidents and their respective Congresses.
So war is just an American problem, something we just invented? Do we read much history or is it all PBS specials now. War has ALWAYS been fucked up. Violence has been a major contributor to immigration for
all of history. Like it or not, we live in dangerous times. We can ASSUME that if America shrank it's
military and ended all interventions that world peace would magically appear....but it won't.
We can pray that while we retreat behind of big screen TVs that China will end their
territorial expansion and military programs, but they WON'T.
I'm all for reigning in our interventions, but let's not pretend that America is to blame
for human evil and aggressive behaviors....just because we are good at it..
There is an endless stream of history illustrating the absolute brutality and evil that
had persisted since the beginning of time. We should avoid embracing it but we should avoid
thinking we have the power to end it. More arrogance to be used for destructive purposes.
Nah, it is just that USA has made forever war such a profitable and ongoing
mega-business. The degenerate banker and royal families of Europe would only fight every generation or
two. You fight all the time and try to start new ones, before you finish off with the old ones,
and print global toilet paper to pay for it all. Because it is good business. **** laws,
lives and human decency.
And then you have Hollywood make ****-for-brain movies about just wars, war comradery and
heroic sacrifice and spread that **** all over the world.
So yeah, you got all the reasons for being hated for your war business.
The only way to honor veterans, really, truly honor them, is to help end war and make
sure no more lives are put into a position where they are on the giving or receiving end of
evil, stupid, meaningless violence
A bit too close to the Bone for the average American to appreciate. A well thought out & articulated article.
The machine is not the problem. It's like a gun. Guns are just mechanical devices and
can't kill until people aim them and pull the trigger. It's people that kill by forcing the
machine to do their terrible evil bidding.
It's the business and political leaders that build, guide and enable the machine and
facilitate the infrastructure and culture to wage war.
Democrats love War as we saw with LBJ, Bill Clinton (bombing the hell out of and
destroying Yugoslavia), Obama and Hillary Clinton. Democrat McNamara was one of their finest! McNamara's Folly: The Use of Low-IQ Troops in the Vietnam War
It's both Republicans and Democrats - George Bush I's Desert Storm, Panama; George Bush II
invading Iraq, Afghanistan; Reagan invading GRENADA!, Nixon in Vietnam, assassinating
Salvador Allende in Chile, bombing Laos and Cambodia; Eisenhower started in Vietnam,
installed a dictator in Guatemala in 1954, installed Batista in Cuba, Kennedy was going to
withdraw from Vietnam and part of the reason he was assassinated; and on and on and on.
"... Veterans Day is not a holiday to honor the men and women who have dutifully protected their country. The youngest Americans who arguably defended their nation from a real threat to its shores are in their nineties, and soon there won't be any of them left. ..."
"... Every single person who has served in the US military since the end of the second World War has protected nothing other than the agendas of global hegemony, resource control and war profiteering. They have not been fighting and dying for freedom and democracy, they have been fighting and dying for imperialism, Raytheon profit margins, and crude oil. ..."
"... Veterans Day, like so very, very much in American culture, is a propaganda construct designed to lubricate the funneling of human lives into the chamber of a gigantic gun. It glorifies evil, stupid, meaningless acts of mass murder to ensure that there will always be recruits who are willing to continue perpetrating it, and to ensure that the US public doesn't wake up to the fact that its government's insanely bloated military budget is being used to unleash unspeakable horrors upon the earth. ..."
"... Your rulers have never feared the Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Iraqis, the terrorists, the Iranians, the Chinese or the Russians. They fear you. They fear the American public suddenly waking up to the evil things that are being done in your name and using your vast numbers to shrug off the existing power structures without firing a shot, as easily as removing a heavy coat on a warm day. If enough of you loudly withdraw your consent for their insatiable warmongering, that fear will be enough to keep them in check. ..."
The US will be celebrating Veterans Day, and many a striped flag shall be waved. The social
currency of esteem will be used to elevate those who have served in the US military, thereby
ensuring future generations of recruits to be thrown into the gears of the globe-spanning war
machine
Veterans Day is not a holiday to honor the men and women who have dutifully protected their
country. The youngest Americans who arguably defended their nation from a real threat to its
shores are in their nineties, and soon there won't be any of them left.
Every single person who
has served in the US military since the end of the second World War has protected nothing other
than the agendas of global hegemony, resource control and war profiteering. They have not been
fighting and dying for freedom and democracy, they have been fighting and dying for
imperialism, Raytheon profit margins, and crude oil.
I just said something you're not supposed to say. People have dedicated many years of their
lives to the service of the US military; they've given their limbs to it, they've suffered
horrific brain damage for it, they've given their very lives to it. Families have been ripped
apart by the violence that has been inflicted upon members of the US Armed Forces; you're not
supposed to let them hear you say that their loved one was destroyed because some sociopathic
nerds somewhere in Washington decided that it would give America an advantage over potential
economic rivals to control a particular stretch of Middle Eastern dirt. But it is true, and if
we don't start acknowledging that truth lives are going to keep getting thrown into the gears
of the machine for the power and profit of a few depraved oligarchs. So I'm going to keep
saying it.
Last week I saw the hashtag #SaluteToService trending on Twitter. Apparently the NFL had a
deal going where every time someone tweeted that hashtag they'd throw a few bucks at some
veteran's charity. Which sounds sweet, until you consider three things:
2. The NFL has taken millions of
dollars from the Pentagon for displays of patriotism on the field, including for the
policy of bringing all players out for the national anthem every game starting in 2009 (which
led to Colin Kaepernick's demonstrations and the obscene backlash against him).
3. VETERANS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO RELY ON FUCKING CHARITY.
Seriously, how is "charity for veterans" a thing, and how are people not extremely weirded
out by it? How is it that you can go out and get your limbs blown off for slave wages after
watching your friends die and innocent civilians perish, come home, and have to rely on charity
to get by? How is it that you can risk life and limb killing and suffering irreparable
psychological trauma for some plutocrat's agendas, plunge into poverty when you come home, and
then see the same plutocrat labeled a "philanthropist" because he threw a few tax-deductible
dollars at a charity that gave you a decent prosthetic leg?
Taking care of veterans should be factored into the budget of every act of military
aggression . If a government can't make sure its veterans are housed, healthy and happy in a
dignified way for the rest of their lives, it has no business marching human beings into harm's
way. The fact that you see veterans on the street of any large US city and people who fought in
wars having to beg "charities" for a quality mechanical wheelchair shows you just how much of a
pathetic joke this Veterans Day song and dance has always been.
They'll send you to mainline violence and trauma into your mind and body for the power and
profit of the oligarchic rulers of the US-centralized empire, but it's okay because everyone
gets a long weekend where they're told to thank you for your service. Bullshit.
Veterans Day, like so very, very much in American culture, is a propaganda construct
designed to lubricate the funneling of human lives into the chamber of a gigantic gun. It
glorifies evil, stupid, meaningless acts of mass murder to ensure that there will always be
recruits who are willing to continue perpetrating it, and to ensure that the US public doesn't
wake up to the fact that its government's insanely bloated military budget is being used to
unleash unspeakable horrors upon the earth.
The only way to honor veterans, really, truly honor them, is to help end war and make sure
no more lives are put into a position where they are on the giving or receiving end of evil,
stupid, meaningless violence. The way to do that is to publicly, loudly and repeatedly make it
clear that you do not consent to the global terrorism being perpetrated in your name. These
bastards work so hard conducting propaganda to manufacture your consent for endless
warmongering because they need that consent . So don't give it to them.
Your rulers have never feared the Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Iraqis, the terrorists, the
Iranians, the Chinese or the Russians. They fear you. They fear the American public suddenly
waking up to the evil things that are being done in your name and using your vast numbers to
shrug off the existing power structures without firing a shot, as easily as removing a heavy
coat on a warm day. If enough of you loudly withdraw your consent for their insatiable
warmongering, that fear will be enough to keep them in check.
This Veterans Day, don't honor those who have served by giving reverence and legitimacy to a
war machine which is exclusively used for inflicting great evil. Honor them by disassembling
that machine.
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Perhaps the loss of the House may actually prove to be a mixed blessing for Trump. Democrats
will achieve control of all the investigative committees and their accusations and subpoenas
will make Trump's life even more miserable than it was before, while surely removing any chance
that significant elements of Trump's remaining agenda will ever be enacted.
However, although Trump had reached the presidency by advocating a radical
populist-nationalist agenda, he has hardly governed in those terms. For his first two years in
office, he sunk nearly all his political capital into enacting huge tax cuts for the rich,
wholesale Wall Street deregulation, large increases in military spending, and an extremely
pro-Israel foreign policy -- exactly the sort of policies near-and-dear to the establishment
conservative candidates whom he had crushed in the Republican primaries. Meanwhile, his jilted
grassroots supporters have had to settle for some radical rhetoric and a regular barrage of
outrageous Tweets rather than anything more substantive. With Republicans in full control of
Congress, finding excuses for this widespread betrayal was quite difficult, but now that the
Democrats have taken the House, Trump's apologists can more easily shift the blame over to
them.
Meanwhile, a considerably stronger Republican Senate will certainly ease the way for Trump's
future court nominees, especially if another Supreme Court vacancy occurs, and there will be
little chance of any difficult Kavanaugh battles. However, here once again, Trump's supposed
radicalism has merely been rhetorical. Kavanaugh and nearly all of his other nominees have been
very mainstream Republican choices, carefully vetted by the Federalist Society and other
conservative establishment groups, and they would probably have been near the top of the list
if Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio were sitting in the Oval Office.
Both Trump's supporters and his opponents claim that his presidency represents a drastic
break from Republican business-as-usual, and surely that was the hope of many of the Americans
who voted for him in 2016, but the actual reality often seems rather different.
Although the net election results were not particularly bad for the Republicans, the
implications of several state races seem extremely worrisome. The highest profile senate race
was in Texas, and Trump may have narrowly dodged a bullet. Among our largest states, Texas
ranks as by far the most solidly Republican, and therefore it serves as the central lynchpin of
every Republican presidential campaign. The GOP has won every major statewide race for more
than twenty years, but despite such seemingly huge advantages, incumbent Sen. Ted Cruz faced a
very difficult reelection race against a young border-area Congressman named Beto O'Rourke, who
drew enormous enthusiasm and an ocean of local and national funding.
I was actually in Texas just a couple of days before the vote, speaking at a Ron
Paul-related conference in the Houston area, and although most of the libertarian-leaning
attendees thought that Cruz would probably win, they all agreed with the national media that it
would probably be close. Cruz's final victory margin of less than three points confirmed this
verdict.
But if things had gone differently, and O'Rourke had squeaked out a narrow win, our national
politics would have been immediately transformed. Any Republican able to win California has a
near-lock on the White House, and the same is true for any Democrat able to carry Texas,
especially if the latter is a young and attractive Kennedyesque liberal, fluent in Spanish and
probably very popular with the large Latino populations of other important states such as
Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado. I strongly suspect that a freshman Sen. O'Rourke
(R-Texas) would have been offered the 2020 Democratic nomination almost by acclamation, and
barring unexpected personal or national developments, would have been a strong favorite in that
race against Trump or any other Republican. Rep. O'Rourke raised an astonishing $70 million in
nationwide donations, and surely many of his contributors were dreaming of similar
possibilities. A shift of just a point and a half, and in twenty-four months he probably would
have been our next president. But it was not to be.
I personally don't understand the French electorate on these matters. Macron in particular
did not promise anything other than to deliver more of the same policies, albeit with
more youth and more vigor, as a frank globalist. Who, exactly, was excited at his election but
is disappointed now? People with a short attention span or susceptibility to marketing
gimmicks, I assume.
It is hard to talk about the French media without getting a bit conspiratorial, at least, I
speak of "structural conspiracies." Macron's unabashed, "modernizing" globalism certainly
corresponds to the id of the French media-corporate elites and to top 20% of the
electorate, let us say, the talented fifth. He was able to break through the old French
two-party system, annihilating the Socialist Party and sidelining the conservatives. The media
certainly helped in this, preferring him to either the conservative François Fillon or
the civic nationalist Marine Le Pen.
However, the media have to a certain extent turned on Macron, perhaps because he
believes his "complex thoughts" cannot be grasped by
journalists with their admittedly limited cognitive abilities . Turn on the French radio
and you'll hear stories of how the so-called "Youth With Macron," whose twenty- and
thirty-somethings were invited onto all the talk shows just before Macron became a leading
candidate, were actually former Socialist party hacks with no grass roots. Astroturf. I could
have told you that.
Macron has made a number of what the media call "gaffes." When an old lady voiced concern
about the future of her pension,
he answered : "you don't have a right to complain." He has also done many things that
anyone with just a little sense of decorum will be disgusted by. The 40-year-old Macron, who
has a 65-year-old wife and claims not to be a homosexual, loves being photographed with sweaty
black bodies.
... ... ...
So there's that. But, in terms of policies, I cannot say that the people who supported
Macron have any right to complain. He is doing what he promised, that is to say, steaming full
straight ahead on the globalist course with, a bit more forthrightness and, he hopes,
competence than his Socialist or conservative predecessors.
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Bookmark In truth there are no solutions. There is nothing he can do to make the elitist and
gridlocked European Union more effective, nothing he can do to improve the "human capital" in
the Afro-Islamic banlieues , and not much he can do to improve the economy which the
French people would find acceptable. A bit more of labor flexibility here, a bit of a tax break
there, oh wait deficit's too big, a tax hike in some other area too, then. Six of one, half a
dozen in the other. Oh, and they've also passed
more censorship legislation to fight "fake news" and "election meddling" and other pathetic
excuses the media-political class across the West have come up with for their loss of control
over the Narrative.
Since the European Central Bank has been printing lending hundreds of billions of euros to
stimulate the Eurozone economy, France's economic performance has been decidedly mediocre, with
low growth, slowly declining unemployment, and no reduction in debt (currently at 98.7% of
GDP). Performance will presumably worsen if the ECB, as planned, phases out stimulus at the end
of this year.
There is a rather weird situation in terms of immigration and diversity. Everyone seems to
be aware of the hellscape of ethno-religious conflict which will thrive in the emerging
Afro-Islamic France of the future. Just recently at the commemoration of the Battle of Verdun,
an elderly French soldier asked Macron : "When will you kick out the illegal immigrants? .
. . Aren't we bringing in a Trojan Horse?"
More significant was the resignation of Gérard Collomb from his position as interior
minister last month to return to his old job as mayor of Lyon, which he apparently finds more
interesting. Collomb is a 71-year-old Socialist politician who has apparently awakened to the
problems of ethnic segregation and conflict. He said in his
farewell address :
I have been in all the neighborhoods, the neighborhoods of Marseille-North to Mirail in
Toulous, to the Parisian periphery, Corbeil, Aulnay, Sevran, the situation has deteriorated
greatly. We cannot continue to work on towns individually, there needs to be an overarching
vision to recreate social mixing. Because today we are living side by side, and I still say,
me, I fear that tomorrow we will live face-to-face [i.e. across a battle lines].
It is not clear how much Collomb tried to act upon these concerns as interior minister and
was frustrated. In any case, he dared to voice the same concerns to
the far-right magazine Valeurs Actuelles last February. He told them: "The relations
between people are very difficult, people don't want to live together" (using the term
vivre-ensemble , a common diversitarian slogan). He said immigration's responsibility
for this was "enormous" and agreed with the journalist that "France no longer needs
immigration." Collomb then virtually predicted civil war:
Communities in France are coming into conflict more and more and it is becoming very
violent . . . I would say that, within five years, the situation could become irreversible.
Yes, we have five or six years to avoid the worst. After that . . .
It's unclear why "the next five or six years" should be so critical. From one point of view,
the old France is already lost as about
a third of births are non-European and in particular
one fifth are Islamic . The patterns of life in much of France will therefore likely come
to reflect those of Africa and the Middle-East, including random violence and religious
fanaticism. Collomb seems to think "social mixing" would prevent this, but in fact, there has
been plenty of social and even genetic "mixing" in Brazil and Mexico, without this preventing
ethno-racial stratification and extreme levels of violence.
I'm afraid it's all more of the same in douce France , sweet France. On the current
path, Macron will be a one-termer like Sarkozy and Hollande were. Then again, the next
elections will be in three-and-a-half years, an eternity in democratic politics. In all
likelihood, this would be the Right's election to win, with a conservative anti-immigration
candidate. A few people of the mainstream Right are open to working with Le Pen's National
Rally and some have even defended the Identitarians. Then again, I could even imagine
Macron posing as a heroic opponent of (illegal . . .) immigration if he thought it could
help get him reelected. Watch this space . . .
How many immigrants from Africa come to Europe depends only on political will of Europeans. The
demography of African has nothing to do with it. Europe has means to stop immigration legal and
illegal. Macron talking about how many children are born in Africa is just another cop out.
A few months ago I claimed that Emmanuel Macron has/holds an ""Alt Right" worldview" due
to him having had interactions with an influential member of the French Protestant Huguenot
minority in France: http://www.unz.com/article/collateral-damage/#comment-1955020
[...] Macron : Germany is different from France. You are more Protestant, which results
in a significant difference. Through the church, through Catholicism, French society was
structured vertically, from top to bottom. I am convinced that it has remained so until
today. That might sound shocking to some – and don't worry, I don't see myself as a
king. But whether you like it or not, France's history is unique in Europe. Not to put too
fine a point on it, France is a country of regicidal monarchists. It is a paradox: The
French want to elect a king, but they would like to be able to overthrow him whenever they
want. The office of president is not a normal office – that is something one should
understand when one occupies it. You have to be prepared to be disparaged, insulted and
mocked – that is in the French nature. And: As president, you cannot have a desire to
be loved. Which is, of course, difficult because everybody wants to be loved. But in the end,
that's not important. What is important is serving the country and moving it forward.
Who, exactly, was excited at his election but is disappointed now? People with a short
attention span or susceptibility to marketing gimmicks, I assume.
"... officials and politicians in Britain and France conspired to transform Serbia's murder of Austro-Hungary's Crown Prince into a continent-wide conflict. France burned for revenge for its defeat in the 1870 Franco-Prussian War and loss of Alsace-Lorraine. Britain feared German commercial and naval competition. At the time, the British Empire controlled one quarter of the world's surface. Italy longed to conquer Austria-Hungary's South Tyrol. Turkey feared Russia's desire for the Straits. Austria-Hungary feared Russian expansion. ..."
"... Prof Clark clearly shows how the French and British maneuvered poorly-led Germany into the war. The Germans were petrified of being crushed between two hostile powers, France and Russia. The longer the Germans waited, the more the military odds turned against them. Tragically, Germany was then Europe's leader in social justice. ..."
"... Britain kept stirring the pot, determined to defeat commercial and colonial rival, Germany. The rush to war became a gigantic clockwork that no one could stop. All sides believed a war would be short and decisive. Crowds of fools chanted 'On to Berlin' or 'On to Paris.' ..."
"... The 1904 Russo-Japanese War offered a sharp foretaste of the 1914 conflict, but Europe's grandees paid scant attention. ..."
"... This demented war in Europe tuned into an even greater historic tragedy in 1917 when US President Woodrow Wilson, driven by a lust for power and prestige, entered the totally stalemated war on the Western Front. One million US troops and starvation caused by a crushing British naval blockade turned the tide of battle and led to Germany's surrender. ..."
"... Vengeful France and Britain imposed intolerable punishment on Germany, forcing it to accept full guilt for the war, an untruth that persists to this day. The result was Adolf Hitler and his National Socialists. If an honorable peace had been concluded in 1917, neither Hitler nor Stalin might have seized power and millions of lives would have been saved. This is the true tragedy of the Great War. ..."
"... Let us recall the words of the wise Benjamin Franklin: `No good war, no bad peace.' ..."
We are now upon the 100th anniversary of World War I, the war that was supposed to end all
wars. While honoring the 16 million who died in this conflict, we should also condemn the
memory of the politicians, officials and incompetent generals who created this horrendous blood
bath.
I've walked most of the Western Front of the Great War, visited its battlefields and haunted
forts, and seen the seas of crosses marking its innumerable cemeteries.
As a former soldier and war correspondent, I've always considered WWI as he stupidest, most
tragic and catastrophic of all modern wars.
The continuation of this conflict, World War II, killed more people and brought more
destruction on civilians in firebombed cities but, at least for me, World War I holds a special
horror and poignancy. This war was not only an endless nightmare for the soldiers in their
pestilential trenches, it also violently ended the previous 100 years of glorious European
civilization, one of mankind's most noble achievements.
I've explored the killing fields of Verdun many times and feel a visceral connection to this
ghastly place where up to 1,000,000 soldiers died. I have even spent the night there, listening
to the sirens that wailed without relent, and watching searchlights that pierced the night,
looking for the ghosts of the French and German soldiers who died here.
Verdun's soil was so poisoned by explosives and lethal gas that to this day it produces only
withered, stunted scrub and sick trees. Beneath the surface lie the shattered remains of men
and a deadly harvest of unexploded shells that still kill scores of intruders each year. The
spooky Ossuaire Chapel contains the bone fragments of 130,000 men, blown to bits by the
millions of high explosive shells that deluged Verdun.
The town of the same name is utterly bleak, melancholy and cursed. Young French and German
officers are brought here to see firsthand the horrors of war and the crime of stupid
generalship.
Amid all the usual patriotic cant from politicians, imperialists and churchmen about the
glories of this slaughter, remember that World War I was a contrived conflict that was totally
avoidable. Contrary to the war propaganda that still clouds and corrupts our historical view,
World War I was not started by Imperial Germany.
Professor Christopher Clark in his brilliant book, `The Sleepwalkers' shows how officials
and politicians in Britain and France conspired to transform Serbia's murder of
Austro-Hungary's Crown Prince into a continent-wide conflict. France burned for revenge for its
defeat in the 1870 Franco-Prussian War and loss of Alsace-Lorraine. Britain feared German
commercial and naval competition. At the time, the British Empire controlled one quarter of the
world's surface. Italy longed to conquer Austria-Hungary's South Tyrol. Turkey feared Russia's
desire for the Straits. Austria-Hungary feared Russian expansion.
Prof Clark clearly shows how the French and British maneuvered poorly-led Germany into the
war. The Germans were petrified of being crushed between two hostile powers, France and Russia.
The longer the Germans waited, the more the military odds turned against them. Tragically,
Germany was then Europe's leader in social justice.
Britain kept stirring the pot, determined to defeat commercial and colonial rival, Germany.
The rush to war became a gigantic clockwork that no one could stop. All sides believed a war
would be short and decisive. Crowds of fools chanted 'On to Berlin' or 'On to Paris.'
Few at the time understood the impending horrors of modern war or the geopolitical demons
one would release. The 1904 Russo-Japanese War offered a sharp foretaste of the 1914 conflict,
but Europe's grandees paid scant attention.
Even fewer grasped how the collapse of the antiquated Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empires
would send Europe and the Mideast into dangerous turmoil that persists to our day. Or how a
little-known revolutionary named Lenin would shatter Imperial Russia and turn it into the
world's most murderous state.
This demented war in Europe tuned into an even greater historic tragedy in 1917 when US
President Woodrow Wilson, driven by a lust for power and prestige, entered the totally
stalemated war on the Western Front. One million US troops and starvation caused by a crushing
British naval blockade turned the tide of battle and led to Germany's surrender.
Vengeful France and Britain imposed intolerable punishment on Germany, forcing it to accept
full guilt for the war, an untruth that persists to this day. The result was Adolf Hitler and
his National Socialists. If an honorable peace had been concluded in 1917, neither Hitler nor
Stalin might have seized power and millions of lives would have been saved. This is the true
tragedy of the Great War.
Let us recall the words of the wise Benjamin Franklin: `No good war, no bad peace.'
"... Over 60,000 US troops either killed or wounded in conflicts ..."
"... The study estimates between 480,000 and 507,000 people were killed in the course of the three conflicts. ..."
"... Civilians make up over half of the roughly 500,000 killed, with both opposition fighters and US-backed foreign military forces each sustaining in excess of 100,000 deaths as well. ..."
"... This is admittedly a dramatic under-report of people killed in the wars, as it only attempts to calculate those killed directly in war violence, and not the massive number of others civilians who died from infrastructure damage or other indirect results of the wars. The list also excludes the US war in Syria, which itself stakes claims to another 500,000 killed since 2011. ..."
Over 60,000 US troops either killed or wounded in conflicts
Brown University has released a new study on the cost
in lives of America's Post-9/11 Wars, in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. The study estimates between 480,000 and 507,000 people
were killed in the course of the three conflicts.
This includes combatant deaths and civilian deaths in fighting and war violence. Civilians make up over half of the roughly
500,000 killed, with both opposition fighters and US-backed foreign military forces each sustaining in excess of 100,000 deaths as
well.
This is admittedly a dramatic under-report of people killed in the wars, as it only attempts to calculate those killed directly
in war violence, and not the massive number of others civilians who died from infrastructure damage or other indirect results of
the wars. The list also excludes the US war in Syria, which itself stakes claims to another 500,000 killed since 2011.
The report also notes that over 60,000 US troops were either killed or wounded in the course of the wars. This includes 6,951
US military personnel killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since 9/11.
The Brown study also faults the US for having done very little in the last 17 years to provide transparency to the country about
the scope of the conflicts, concluding that they are "inhibited by governments determined to paint a rosy picture of perfect execution
and progress."
America is weak precisely because it is trying so hard to project strength, because
anyone with half a brain knows that it is projecting strength to enrich oligarhcs [sic],
not to protect or favor the American people.
And who do you suppose are the forces which are funding US politicians and thus getting to
call their shots in foreign policy? Can you bring yourself to name them? Oligarchs...you're
FULL of ****. Who exactly pools all (((their))) money, makes sure the [s]elected officials
know (((who))) to not question and, instead, just bow down to them, who makes sure these
(((officials))) sign pledges for absolute commitment towards Israel--or in no uncertain
terms-- and know who will either sponsor them/or opposes them next time around?
They were saying that Trump didn't promote the economic boom enough. Then they trotted
out their economic analyst to tout all the great economic statistics!
Well of course, for the corporate media lying about the economy has priority over any kind
of Trump-bashing.
Unfortunately, Debsisdead is correct. The United States cannot be fixed. It could be
that Trump knows what's needed and is deliberately trying to set the US on a course towards
sanity using shock treatment, and is deliberately trying to wean America from the petrodollar
in such a manner that Americans have no other country to blame/bomb, thus saving civilization
from America's inevitable spasm of ultraviolence when the BRICS succeed in taking the
petrodollar down. This seems unlikely, though.
The sad reality is that the delusion Americans suffer from (result of their universal
cradle-to-grave brainwashing that I mentioned earlier) is too deeply rooted as a core
component of their identities.
That mass-based delusion must be overcome before America's psychotic behavior on the world
stage can be addressed, but I see no forces within the US making any progress in that
direction at all.
Even the brightest and most humanistic Americans are horribly twisted to appalling
evil by unquestionable faith in their own exceptionalism. As a consequence it could be
that the only hope for humanity lies in a radical USA-ectomy with the resulting stump being
cauterized.
I certainly wish there were some other way, but I don't see one.
by Chris Bertram on October 31, 2018 Candice Delmas, A
Duty to Resist: When Disobedience Should Be Uncivil (Oxford University Press, 2018).
Political obligation has always been a somewhat unsatisfactory topic in political
philosophy, as has, relatedly, civil disobedience. The "standard view" of civil disobedience,
to be found in Rawls, presupposes that we live in a nearly just society in which some serious
violations of the basic liberties yet occur and conceives of civil disobedience as a deliberate
act of public lawbreaking, nonviolent in character, which aims to communicate a sense of grave
wrong to our fellow citizens. To demonstrate their fidelity to law, civil disobedients are
willing to accept the consequences of their actions and to take their punishment. When Rawls
first wrote about civil disobedience, in 1964, parts of the US were openly and flagrantly
engaged in the violent subordination of their black population, so it was quite a stretch for
him to think of that society as "nearly just". But perhaps its injustice impinged less
obviously on a white professor at an elite university in Massachusetts than it did on poor
blacks in the deep South.
The problems with the standard account hardly stop there. Civil disobedience thus conceived
is awfully narrow. In truth, the range of actions which amount to resistance to the state and
to unjust societies is extremely broad, running from ordinary political opposition, through
civil disobedience to disobedience that is rather uncivil, through sabotage, hacktivism,
leaking, whistle-blowing, carrying out Samaritan assistance in defiance of laws that prohibit
it, striking, occupation, violent resistance, violent revolution, and, ultimately, terrorism.
For the non-ideal world in which we actually live and where we are nowhere close to a "nearly
just" society, we need a better theory, one which tells us whether Black Lives Matter activists
are justified or whether antifa can punch Richard Spencer. Moreover, we need a theory that
tells us not only what we may do but also what we are obliged to do: when is standing by in the
face of injustice simply not morally permissible.
Step forward Candice Delmas with her superb and challenging book The Duty to Resist:
When Disobedience Should Be Uncivil (Oxford University Press). Delmas points out the
manifold shortcomings of the standard account and how it is often derived from taking the
particular tactics of the civil rights movement and turning pragmatic choices into moral
principles. Lots of acts of resistance against unjust societies, in order to be effective, far
from being communicative, need to be covert. Non-violence may be an effective strategy, but
sometimes those resisting state injustice have a right to defend themselves. [click
to continue ]
Hidari 10.31.18 at 3:41 pm (no link)
Strangely enough, the link I was looking at immediately before I clicked on the OP, was this:
It would be interesting to see a philosopher's view on whether or not civil disobedience
was necessary, and to what extent, to prevent actions that will lead to the end of our
species.
Ebenezer Scrooge 10.31.18 at 4:52 pm (no link)
Two points:
As far as the Nazi-punching goes, it is important to remember that we hung Julius Streicher
for nothing but speech acts.
I have no idea who Candice Delmas is, but "Delmas" is a French name. The French have a very
different attitude toward civil disobedience than we do.
Moz of Yarramulla 10.31.18 at 11:23 pm (no link)
civil disobedience as a deliberate act of public lawbreaking, nonviolent in character,
which aims to communicate a sense of grave wrong to our fellow citizens.
I think that's a pretty narrow view of civil disobedience even if you just count the
actions of the protesters. Often NVDA is aimed at or merely accepts that a violent response
is inevitable. The resistance at Parihaka, for example, was in no doubt that the response
would be military and probably lethal. And Animal Liberation are often classified as
terrorists by the US and UK governments while murderers against abortion are not.
Which is to say that the definition of "nonviolent" is itself an area of conflict, with
some taking the Buddhist extremist position that any harm or even inconvenience to any living
thing makes an action violent, and others saying that anything short of genocide can be
nonviolent (and then there are the "intention is all" clowns). Likewise terrorism, most
obviously of late the Afghani mujahideen when they transitioned from being revolutionaries to
terrorists when the invader changed.
In Australia we have the actual government taking the view that any action taken by a
worker or protester that inconveniences a company is a criminal act and the criminal must
both compensate the company (including consequential damages) as well as facing jail time.
tasmania and
NSW and of course the anti-union
laws . The penalties suggest they're considered crimes of violence, as does the
rhetoric.
Moz of Yarramulla 11.01.18 at 12:13 am (no link)
Jeff@11
one should never legitimize any means toward social change that you would not object to
seeing used by your mortal enemies.
Are you using an unusual definition of "mortal enemy" here? Viz, other than "enemy that
wants to kill you"? Even US law has theoretical prohibitions on expressing that
intention.
It's especially odd since we're right now in the middle of a great deal of bad-faith use
of protest techniques by mortal enemies. "free speech" used to protect Nazi rallies,
"academic freedom" to defend anti-science activists, "non-violent protest" used to describe
violent attacks, "freedom of religion" used to excuse terrorism, the list goes on.
In Australia we have a 'proud boys' leader coming to Australia who has somehow managed to
pass the character test imposed by our government. He's the leader of a gang that requires an
arrest for violence as a condition of membership and regularly says his goal is to incite
others to commit murder. It seems odd that our immigration minister has found those things to
be
not disqualifying while deporting someone for merely
associating with a vaguely similar gang , but we live in weird times.
As far as the Nazi-punching goes, it is important to remember that we hung Julius
Streicher for nothing but speech acts.
I do remember that*, but it's not clear to me why you think it's important to remember it
in this context. If somebody who had fatally punched a Nazi speaker were prosecuted for
murder, I doubt that 'he was a Nazi speaker' would be accepted as a defence on the basis of
the Streicher precedent.
*Strictly speaking, I don't remember it as something that 'we' did: I wasn't born at the
time, and it's not clear to me who you mean by 'we'. (Streicher himself probably would have
said that it was the Jews, or possibly the Jews and the Bolsheviks, who were hanging him, but
I don't suppose that would be your view.) However, I'm aware of the events you're referring
to, which is the real point.
Rawls presupposes that we live in a nearly just society in which some serious violations
of the basic liberties yet occur For the non-ideal world in which we actually live and where
we are nowhere close to a "nearly just" society, we need a better theory
People need to stop spreading this misinterpretation about Rawls on civil disobedience, which
I've seen several places in the past few years. Rawls focuses on the case of a nearly just
society not because he thinks it's the only case in which you can engage in civil
disobedience but because he thinks it's the only case in which there are difficulties with
justifying it. He states this very clearly in A Theory of Justice : in cases where the
society is not nearly just, there are no difficulties in justifying civil disobedience or
even sometimes armed resistance. His natural duty account is not put forward as a general
theory of civil disobedience but to argue that civil disobedience can admit of justification
even in the case in which it is hardest to justify.
I'm not a fan of Rawls myself, but I don't know how he could possibly have been more clear
on this, since he makes all these points explicitly.
LFC 11.02.18 at 12:45 am (no link)
J-D @18
The Nuremberg tribunal was set up and staffed by the U.S., Britain, USSR, and France; so
whether Ebenezer's "we" was intended to refer to the four countries collectively or just to
the U.S., it's clear who hanged Streicher et al., and the tone of your comment on this point
is rather odd.
anon 11.02.18 at 4:23 pm (no link)
Resisting by protesting is OK.
However, here in the USA, actual legislation creating laws is done by our elected
representatives.
So if you're an Amaerican and really want Social Change and aren't just posturing or
'virtue signaling' make sure you vote in the upcoming election.
I'm afraid too many will think that their individual vote won't 'matter' or the polls show
it isn't needed or some other excuse to justify not voting. Please do not be that person.
Don Berinati 11.02.18 at 5:06 pm (no link)
Recently re-reading '1968' by Kurlansky and he repeatedly made this point about protests
– that to be effective they had to get on television (major networks, not like our
youtube, I think, so it would be seen by the masses in order to sway them) and to do that the
acts had to be outlandish because they were competing for network time. This increasingly led
to violent acts, which almost always worked in getting on the news, but flew in the face of
King's and others peaceful methods.
So, maybe punching out a Nazi is the way to change people's minds or at least get them to
think about stuff.
It was only an announcement, but think of it as the beginning of a journey into hell. Last
week, President Donald Trump
made public his decision to abrogate the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF), a
1987 agreement with the Soviet Union. National Security Advisor
John Bolton , a Cold Warrior in a post-Cold War world,
promptly flaunted that announcement on a trip to Vladimir Putin's Moscow. To grasp the
import of that decision, however, quite another kind of voyage is necessary, a trip down memory
lane.
That 1987 pact between Moscow and Washington was no small thing in a world that, during the
Cuban Missile Crisis only 25 years earlier, had reached the edge of nuclear Armageddon. The
INF Treaty led to the elimination of thousands
of nuclear weapons, but its significance went far beyond that. As a start, it closed the books
on the nightmare of a Europe caught between the world-ending strategies of the two superpowers,
since most of those "intermediate-range" missiles were targeting that very continent. No
wonder, last week, a European Union spokesperson, responding to Trump,
fervently defended the treaty as a permanent "pillar" of international order.
To take that trip back three decades in time and remember how the INF came about should be
an instant reminder of just how President Trump is playing havoc with something essential to
human survival.
In October 1986 in Reykjavik, Iceland, the leaders of the United States and the Soviet
Union, Ronald Reagan and Mikhail
Gorbachev , briefly came close to fully freeing the planet from the horrifying prospect of
nuclear annihilation. In his second inaugural address, a year and a half earlier, President
Reagan had wishfully called for "the total elimination" of nuclear weapons. At that Reykjavik
summit, Gorbachev, a pathbreaking Soviet leader, promptly took the president up on that dream,
proposing -- to the dismay of the aides of both leaders -- a total nuclear disarmament pact
that would take effect in the year 2000.
Reagan promptly agreed in principle. "Suits me fine," he said. "That's always been my goal."
But it didn't happen. Reagan had another dream, too -- of a space-based missile defense system
against just such weaponry, the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), also dubbed "Star Wars." He
refused to yield on the subject when Gorbachev rejected SDI as the superpower arms race
transferred into space. "This meeting is over," Reagan then said.
Of the failure of Reykjavik, Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze would then
comment :
"When future generations read the transcripts of this meeting, they will not forgive us." At
that point, the nuclear arsenals of the U.S. and the USSR had hit a combined 60,000
weapons and were still growing. (Five new American nuclear weapons were being added each
day.) A month after Reykjavik, in fact, the U.S. deployed a new B-52-based cruise missile
system in violation of the 1979 SALT II Treaty. Hawks in Moscow were pressing for similar
escalations. Elites on both sides -- weapons manufacturers, intelligence and political
establishments, think tanks, military bureaucracies, and pundits -- were appalled at what the
two leaders had almost agreed to. The national security priesthood, East and West, wanted to
maintain what was termed "the stability of the strategic stalemate," even if such stability,
based on ever-expanding arsenals, could not have been less stable.
But a widespread popular longing for relief from four decades of nuclear dread had been
growing on both sides of the Iron Curtain. In a surge of anti-nuclear
activism , millions of ordinary citizens took to the streets of cities in the U.S. and
Europe to protest the superpower nuclear establishments. Even behind the Iron Curtain, voices
for peace could be heard. "Listen," Gorbachev pleaded after Reykjavik, "to the demands of the
American people, the Soviet people, the peoples of all countries."
A Watershed Treaty
As it happened, the Soviet leader refused to settle for Reagan's no. Four months after the
Iceland summit, he proposed an agreement "without delay" to remove from Europe all intermediate
missiles -- those with a range well under that of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs).
When Pentagon officials tried to swat Gorbachev's proposal aside by claiming that there could
be no such agreement without on-site inspections, he said fine, inspect away! That was an
unprecedented concession from the Soviet Union.
President Reagan was surrounded by men like then-Assistant Secretary of State Paul Wolfowitz
(later to become infamous for his role in promoting a post-9/11 invasion of Iraq), who assumed
Gorbachev was a typical Soviet "master of deceit." But for all his hawkishness, the president
had other instincts as well. Events would show that, on the subject of nukes (SDI
notwithstanding), Reagan had indeed recognized the threat to the human future posed by the
open-ended accumulation of ever more of those weapons and had become a kind of nuclear
abolitionist. Even if ending that threat was inconceivable to him, his desire to mitigate it
would prove genuine.
At the time, however, Reagan had other problems to deal with. Just as Gorbachev put forward
his surprising initiative, the American president found himself engulfed in the Iran-Contra
scandal -- a criminal conspiracy to trade arms for hostages with Iran, while illegally aiding
right-wing paramilitaries in Central America. It threatened to become his Watergate. It would,
in the end, lead to the indictments of 14 members of his administration. Beleaguered, he
desperately wanted to change the subject. A statesman-like rescue of faltering arms-control
negotiations might prove just the helping hand he was looking for. So the day before he went
on
television to abjectly offer repentance for Iran-Contra, he announced that he would accept
Gorbachev's INF proposal. His hawkish inner circle was thoroughly disgusted by the gesture.
Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger promptly resigned in protest. (He would later be
indicted for Iran-Contra.)
On December 8, 1987, Reagan and Gorbachev would indeed meet in Washington and
sign the INF Treaty, eliminating more than 2,000 ground-based warheads and giving Europe
the reprieve its people had wanted. This would be the first actual reduction in nuclear weapons
to occur since two atomic bombs were built at Los Alamos in 1945. The INF Treaty proved
historic for turning back the tide of escalation. It showed that the arms race could be not
just frozen but reversed, that negotiations could lead the two superpowers out of what seemed
like the ultimate impasse -- a model that should be urgently applicable today.
In reality, the mutually reinforcing hair-trigger nuclear posture of the United States and
the Soviet Union was not much altered by the treaty, since only land-based, not air- and
submarine-launched missiles, were affected by it and longer range ICBMs were off the table.
(Still, Europe could breathe a bit easier, even if, in operational terms, nuclear danger had
not been much reduced.) Yet that treaty would prove a turning point, opening the way to a
better future. It would be essential to the political transformation that quickly followed, the
wholly unpredicted and surprisingly non-violent end to the Cold War that arrived not quite two
years later. The treaty showed that the arms race itself could be ended -- and eventually, it
nearly would be. That is the lesson that somehow needs to be preserved in the Trump era.
A Man for All Apocalypses
In reality, the Trump administration's abandonment of the INF Treaty has little to do with
the actual deployment of intermediate-range missiles, whether those that the Pentagon may now
seek to emplace in Europe or those apparently already being put in place in Russia. In truth,
such nuclear firepower will not add much to what submarine- and air-launched cruise missiles
can already do. As for Vladimir Putin's bellicosity, removing the restraints on arms control
will only magnify the Russian leader's threatening behavior. However, it should be clear by now
that Donald Trump's urge to trash the treaty comes from his own
bellicosity , not from Russian (or, for that matter, Chinese) aggressiveness. Trump seems
to deplore the pact precisely because of what it meant to Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev,
as well as to the millions who cheered them on long ago: its repudiation of an apocalyptic
future. (As
his position on climate change indicates, the president is visibly a man for all
apocalypses.)
Trump has launched a second nuclear age by rejecting the treaty that was meant to initiate
the closing of the first one. The arms race was then slowed, but, alas, the competitors
stumbled on through the end of the Cold War. Shutting that arms-contest down completely
remained an unfinished task, in part because the dynamic of weapons reduction proved so
reversible even before Donald Trump made it into the Oval Office. George W. Bush, for instance,
struck a blow against arms control with his
2002 abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which rekindled Reagan's Star Wars
fantasy. The way Washington subsequently promoted missile defense systems in Europe, especially
in Poland, where a
nearly $5 billion missile contract was agreed to this year, empowered the most hawkish wing
of the Kremlin, guaranteeing just the sort of Russian build-up that has indeed occurred. If
present Russian intermediate-range missile deployments are in violation of the INF Treaty, they
did not happen in a vacuum.
Barack Obama, of course, won the Nobel Peace Prize
in the early moments of his presidency for his vision of a nuclear-weapons-free world, yet
not even he could curb the malevolent influence of nuclear planning in the Pentagon and
elsewhere in Washington. To get approval of the 2010 New START Treaty, which was to further
reduce the total number of strategic warheads and launchers on both sides, from the Republican
Senate, the Peace Laureate president had to agree to an $80 billion renewal of
America's existing nuclear arsenal just when it was ripe for a fuller dismantling. That devil's
bargain with Washington's diehard nuclear hawks further empowered Russia's similarly hawkish
militarists.
All of this reflects a pattern established relatively early in the Cold War years. U.S. arms
escalations in that era -- from the long-range bomber and the hydrogen bomb to the
nuclear-armed submarine and the cruise missile to the "high frontier" of space -- inevitably
prompted the Kremlin to follow in lockstep (and these days, you would need to
add the Chinese into the equation as well). Americans should recall that, since August 6,
1945, the ratcheting up of nuclear weapons competition has always begun in Washington. And so
it has again.
By the time the Obama administration left office, the Defense Department was already
planning to "modernize" the U.S. nuclear arsenal in a massively expensive way. Last February,
with the release of the
Pentagon's 2018 Nuclear Posture Review, the Trump administration committed to that arsenal's
full bore reinvention, big time, to the tune of at least
$1.2 trillion and possibly $1.6 trillion over the next three decades. ICBM silos only
recently slated for closing will be rebuilt. There will be new generations of nuclear-armed
bombers and submarines, as well as nuclear cruise missiles. There will be wholly new nuclear
weapons expressly
designed to be "usable." And in that context, American nuclear strategy is also being
recast. For the first time, the United States is now explicitly threatening to launch those
"usable" weapons in response to non-nuclear assaults.
The surviving lynchpin of arms control is that New START Treaty that mattered so to Obama in
2010. It capped deployed strategic nuclear warheads at 1,550 and implied that there would be
further reductions to come. It must, however, be renewed in 2021. Trump is already
on record calling it a bad deal, but he may not have to wait until possible reelection in
2020 to do it in. His INF Treaty abrogation might do the trick first. Limits on long-range
strategic missiles may not survive the pressures that are sure to follow an arms race involving
the intermediate variety.
No less worrisome, the Trump administration's fervent support for the Pentagon's
modernization, and so reinvention, of the American nuclear arsenal amounts to a blatant
violation of the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which required nuclear powers to work toward
"the cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date." The president's explicit desire to
maintain an ever more lethal nuclear arsenal into the indefinite future violates that
requirement and will certainly undermine that treaty, too.
It's no exaggeration to say that those arms control treaties, taken together, probably saved
the world from a nuclear Armageddon
"... In that remarkable volume, Schell offered a stunning vision of what a ten-thousand-megaton nuclear strike on the U.S. might mean. ("In the ten seconds or so after each bomb hit, as blast waves swept outward from thousands of ground zeros, the physical plant of the United States would be swept away like leaves in a gust of wind.") In the end, after radiation had also taken its toll, he wrote, the United States -- in a phrase that's haunted me ever since -- "would be a republic of insects and grass." ..."
He was the candidate who, while talking to a foreign policy expert, reportedly
wondered "why we can't use nuclear weapons." He was the man who would never rule anything out or take any "cards," including
nuclear ones, off the proverbial table. He was the fellow who, as president-elect, was
eager to expand
the American nuclear arsenal and
told
Morning Joe host Mika Brzezinski, "Let it be an arms race. We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all."
I'm referring, of course, to the president who, early on,
spoke with his top national security officials of returning the country to a Cold War footing when it came to such weaponry and
called for the equivalent of a
tenfold expansion of the U.S. nuclear arsenal. I'm thinking of the president who once
threatened North Korea with "fire and fury like the world has never seen" and
proudly
claimed that he had a "bigger nuclear button" than that country's leader, Kim Jong-un.
Given his fascination with nuclear weaponry, it's hardly surprising that the very same president would
decide to
pull the U.S. out of the Cold War-era 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) or that his vice president would
refuse to rule out -- another potentially treaty-busting act -- the deployment of nuclear weapons in space. It's a gesture that,
as TomDispatch
regular and former Boston Globe columnist James Carroll explains today, could not be more devastating when it comes
to creating a new nuclear arms race on this increasingly
godforsaken
planet of ours. Reading Carroll's piece, I thought of a mobilizing nuclear moment in my own life. It was the time in 1982 when
I read Jonathan Schell's bestselling book The Fate of the Earth , which helped create a global anti-nuclear movement, millions
of active citizens desiring a nuke-free world, that prepared the way for the INF Treaty.
In that remarkable volume, Schell offered
a stunning vision of what a ten-thousand-megaton nuclear strike on the U.S. might mean. ("In the ten seconds or so after each bomb
hit, as blast waves swept outward from thousands of ground zeros, the physical plant of the United States would be swept away like
leaves in a gust of wind.") In the end, after radiation had also taken its toll, he wrote, the United States -- in a phrase that's
haunted me ever since -- "would be a republic of insects and grass."
That, in other words, is what it might mean, in the twenty-first century, as in the previous one, for a president to put all those
nuclear "cards" back on the table and "outmatch and outlast them all."
"... The key point from my POV was the immediate MSM blanket coverage with every detail explained. No investigation, research, doubts or questions. ..."
"... The US MSM is a propaganda tool and they were pre-prepared, so some US deep state group knew that Bin Salman's bodyguard was heading to the consulate and what they planned to do there (and maybe even set them up to do it). ..."
The Saudis also support the system of petrodollars, which basically requires nearly all
international purchases of petroleum to be paid in dollars. Petrodollars in turn enable the
United States to print money for which there is no backing knowing that there will always be
international demand for dollars to buy oil.
I would emphasize this aspect, except that MbS doesn't so much support the PetroDollar as
the PetroYuan, and this is more than troubling for the US since the PetroDollar is essential to
the dollar's world reserve currency status.
Many American economists have expressed alarm at Saudi Arabia's willingness to borrow in
Chinese yuan, as Riyadh's decision could cause other oil-exporting countries to abandon the
U.S. dollar in favor of the "petro-yuan." A marked decline in the use of the U.S. dollar as
the preferred credit-issuing currency by oil-producing countries would greatly weaken the
U.S. dollar's long-term viability as a global reserve currency.
As the United States views its alliance with Saudi Arabia as the lynchpin of its Middle
East strategy, Washington will likely react strongly if Riyadh uses its influence within OPEC
to strengthen the Chinese yuan. As Saudi Arabia remains dependent on U.S. arms sales to
pursue its geopolitical objectives in the Middle East and counter Iran, intense U.S. pressure
would likely cause Riyadh to distance itself from Beijing, limiting economic integration
between the two countries.
It is no coincidence that these statements from the Crown Prince come days after the
official launch of China's Petroyuan. As every historical trend indicates, the world's most
powerful economy dictates which currency will be used in most international transactions.
This continues to be the case with the US in respect of Dollar, but as China gets set to
fully overtake the US as the world's leading economy, the Dollar will inevitably be replaced
by the Yuan.
China's issuing of oil futures contracts in Petroyuan is the clearest indication yet that
China is keen to make its presence as the world's largest energy consumer known and that it
would clearly prefer to purchase oil from countries like Saudi Arabia in its own currency in
the future, quite possibly in the near future.
Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince appears to understand this trajectory in the global energy
markets and furthermore, he realises that in order to be able to leverage the tremendous
amount of US pressure that will come down on Riaydh in order to force Saudi Arbia to avoid
the Petroyuan, Riyadh will need to embrace other potential partners, including China.
More than anything else, the Petroyuan will have an ability to transform Saudi Arabia by
limiting its negative international characteristics that Muhammad bin Salman himself
described. As a pseudo-satellite state of the US during the Cold War, Muhammad bin Salman
admitted that his country's relationship to the US was that of subservience. China does not
make political let alone geopolitical demands of its partners, but China is nevertheless keen
to foster de-escalations in tensions among all its partners based on the win-win principles
of peace through prosperity as articulated on a regular basis by President Xi Jinping.
Thus one could see China's policies of political non-interference rub off on a potential
future Saudi partner, in the inverse way that the US policies of ultra-interventionism are
often forced upon its partners. Thus, whatever ideological views Muhammad bin Salman does or
does not have, he clearly knows where the wind is blowing: in the direction of China.
If the Khashoggi Affair was planned as a warning to Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman, then
the US knew exactly what was going to happen in the consulate. It was coupled with an immediate
and orchestrated MSM reaction that was curiously detailed, and delivered at high volume.
Yeah, the US will never get rid of the Saudi regime but will always be dangling the sword
right above their necks, and not just figuratively.
Besides the tangible benefits of the 'strategic' control of oil resources, which the US
believes it needs to control in order to dominate Western Europe and its Asian allies, the
Saudis also function as the CIA's private slush fund for off-the-books operations like
Iran-Contra and many others which surface in the news from time to time. Thus, the CIA
controls such vast sums through the Saudis as to make their budgets effectively
limitless.
During his triumphant tour of the US earlier this year, the Saudi King said something
which I found shocking and incredibly revealing in the way the story dropped like a stone
making absolutely no ripples anywhere in the MSM, nor in the alternative media for that
matter.
When asked about Saudi funding of Wahhabism around the world, he said that 'the allies
(presumably US and UK) had 'asked' the Saudis to 'use their resources' to create the
Madrassas and Wahhabi centers to prevent prevent inroads in Muslim countries by the Soviets
(a premise which is very questionable in the ME context after the fall of Nasser).
Now that seems to be the story of the century because it reveals the operating method of
the CIA wrt the Saudis. And even though MBS was trying to only reveal the distant roots of
the system they put in place, there is absolutely no logical reason why any part of this
system would have been subsequently dismantled; 911 notwithstanding. The continuing
US/Israeli support for and generous use of jihadis in Libya, Syria, etc. only reinforces this
point.
This is ultimately the greatest impediment to anything changing the status quo.
If the consulate was bugged , the Turks must have known the plan to abduct kashooggi.
They let it happen, and now that the abduction turned into a murder, they are accomplice.
US knew exactly what was going to happen in the consulate.
I doubt the US knew "exactly", but they likely knew something bad (a kidnapping
perhaps?) was a strong probability. Alas I wish Khashoggi had been warned. Too it seems
very odd he was willing to set foot in a Saudi embassy anywhere? Maybe Director Haspel can
explain.
Supposedly Khashoggi's smart phone picked it all up and filmed his own murder ??
More likely the room was prepared, and Khashoggi was following US instructions/assurances
in going there. The key point from my POV was the immediate MSM blanket coverage with
every detail explained. No investigation, research, doubts or questions.
The US MSM is a propaganda tool and they were pre-prepared, so some US deep state
group knew that Bin Salman's bodyguard was heading to the consulate and what they planned to
do there (and maybe even set them up to do it).
One question is whether the Halloween show was aimed at removing Bin Salman or just
getting him back in line.
Sibel Edmonds has been following this story from Turkey (she speaks Turkish) and posting her
thoughts and findings on twitter. She seems to think this is about some kind of soft coup
(get rid of MBS b/c getting too cozy with Russia/China, Euroasia). Sibel also says Khashoggi
was actually in Istanbul working with some kind of Soros NGO, maybe for future Color
Revolution/Arab Spring in the Middle East.
Sibel Edmonds @sibeledmonds As Predicted (OnRecord) One Of 3 Objectives in #Scripted
#Khashoggi Case: Get #Trump- Replace BS #RussiaGate with #SaudiGate. (Screenshot Coming In
Reply)- – "Khashoggi fiancee hits at Trump response, warns of 'money' influence"
Sibel Edmonds @sibeledmonds Oct 27
Very Important #Khashoggi Continued: #Khashoggi Relocated To #Turkey To Be a Part of a
Business-ThinkTank-NGO. He set up a business here. He opened Bank Accounts. He bought a
house/expansive Flat. He traveled to #London from #Istanbul paid handsomely by #Neoliberal
#DeepState
Jamal Khashoggi did not die for nothing. His murder was part of the plot to push current
de-facto ruler of the Saudi royal crime family aside.
On the moral side, considering who Khashoggi was, one can only say "serves him right".
However, all the other players involved, the Saudis, Israel, Turkey, and the US, are by no
means morally superior to him. His murder and essential non-reaction by others are useful, as
these events unmasked the hypocrites, who are showing their true colors even as we speak.
Should have added that the Kashoggi murder & extremely strange aftermath, dulled US
political response, smacks of a scene from the film "V for Vendetta."
"There is every indication that the U.S. is not in fact seeking to punish the Saudis for
their alleged role in Khashoggi's apparent murder but instead to punish them for reneging on
this $15 billion deal to U.S. weapons giant Lockheed Martin, which manufactures the THAAD
system.
S-400 gamechanger. / Saudi Plan to Purchase Russian S-400:
@Colin
Wright Thanks for the link. Now we can see that Empire had previously turned against MbS,
and that the scripted Khashoggi affair conveniently arrived on cue – with MbS getting
the full MSM treatment.
In other words the deep state knew exactly what was going to happen in the consulate that
day, set it up and recorded it themselves (nothing to do with Khashoggi's smart phone).
Prince Ahmad bin Abdulaziz, the younger brother of King Salman, has returned to Saudi
Arabia after a prolonged absence in London, to mount a challenge to Crown Prince Mohammed
bin Salman or find someone who can.
The source said that the prince returned "after discussion with US and UK officials",
who assured him they would not let him be harmed and encouraged him to play the role of
usurper.
Meanwhile, in Washington disquiet grows.
Writing in the New York Times, former national security advisor to the Obama
administration and US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said: "Looking ahead, Washington must
act to mitigate the risks to our own interests. We should not rupture our important
relationship with the kingdom, but we must make clear it cannot be business as usual so
long as Prince Mohammed continues to wield unlimited power.
"It should be United States policy, in conjunction with our allies, to sideline the
crown prince in order to increase pressure on the royal family to find a steadier
replacement," she added.
@Miro23
The mainstream narrative has had "Psyop" written all over it from the first. It wouldn't
surprise me to learn that Khashoggi is still alive and languishing in an undisclosed location
with only the Skripals for company.
@Bill
Jones An interesting bullet-sentence, Bill Jones said to me: "The strange and dulled
aftermath in the US is, I believe, because the lesson was not really meant for US audiences."
Greetings, Bill!
Lessons on dramatic world events are cunningly spun to insouciant &
government-trusting Americans. The weird Jamal Kashoggi murder is an excellent example among
hundreds to choose from!
Fyi, along with FDR administration's cooperation, Zionists helped gin-up war fervor in
order to get the US into World War 2. Such deception resulted in unnecessarily sending-off
another round of American "doughboys" into world war.
Fyr, as recovered from America's Memory Hole Knowledge Disposal / Sewer System," below is
a great Pat Buchanan article titled, "Who forged it?"
Now, this works much better if your disturbed individual is actually obsessed with something
political, like, say, if he's a Donald Trump fanatic who has plastered the windows of the van
he's living in with all sorts of blatantly psychotic artwork deifying Donald Trump and
demonizing Donald Trump's political opponents, but you'll have to work with what your lunatic
gives you. In any event, whatever his pathology, you will need to de-pathologize your psycho,
so you can misrepresent him as a "domestic terrorist," and then associate whatever "ideology"
you've just painted onto him with "terrorism."
If that sounds a little complicated, don't worry, folks, it's really not! The ruling classes
and the corporate media just provided us with a demonstration of the
Putin-Nazi-Terrorist-O-Matic in action, which proves how easy-to-use it is. In the span of just
a single week, they whipped up so much mass paranoia that
These Putin-Nazi Terrorist "bomb-like devices" were "intercepted" throughout last week.
Their targets were a roll call of Resistance heroes, Soros, Obama, Hillary Clinton, John
Brennan, the offices of CNN, Eric Holder, Maxine Waters, Joe Biden, and, yes, even Robert De
Niro! Putin-Nazi panic paralyzed the nation! The neoliberal corporate media (who, remember, are
serious, respected professionals, not conspiracist nuts like Alex Jones) began pouring out
pieces informing the world that Donald Trump was behind these attacks, or had encouraged,
"emboldened," or "inspired" whoever was with
his violent, neo-Hitlerian rhetoric .
So far I haven't heard exactly what the chemical make-up of these "pipe bombs" is none of
which detonated or even initiated a detonation sequence. No doubt the authorities will get
around to this trifling little fact in their own good time (ie when it has best propaganda
affect)
The problem with the angriest whites who want change is that they don't have any F@CKING
money.
Even if the Left did not have the money to suppress the Alt-Right like Gavin, they have
the money for better production values. More people will watch Oprah than the Alt-Right. They
can get more air time. Hollywood will spend more money. They always have more
Our White Nationalist leaders are not billionaires. Tommy Morrison is not a self-made
millionaire. Richard Spencer the same.
These are average whites you meet in the street.
Tech billionaires, media moguls and globalists are all much more wealthy. They are not
white proles with few contacts in the business or media world who are out with the other
squirming proles on the street.
The problem with the angriest whites who want change is that they don't have any F@CKING
money.
Even if the Left did not have the money to suppress the Alt-Right like Gavin, they have
the money for better production values. More people will watch Oprah than the Alt-Right. They
can get more air time. Hollywood will spend more money. They always have more
Our White Nationalist leaders are not billionaires. Tommy Morrison is not a self-made
millionaire. Richard Spencer the same.
These are average whites you meet in the street.
Tech billionaires, media moguls and globalists are all much more wealthy. They are not
white proles with few contacts in the business or media world who are out with the other
squirming proles on the street.
Good piece, though I miss the historical dimension. The described mechanism seems to me to
have been taken right out of the Goebbels manual, or if you like the Comintern manual. Which
were in turn inspired by the instructions of people like Edward Bernays.
What strikes me is that the US empire and its faithful servants are resorting to
old-fashioned and imported (stolen, "un-American") techniques to try and maintain their hold
on public opinion. I guess, here the economic benefits of the systematic dismantling of the
educational system all over the "West" are paying off! Which just proves the advantages of
stubbornly concentrating publc spending on armaments instead of education: it has a side
effect of making people so stupid they believe just anything.
Still, I wonder how it will be possible to keep repeating the old fairytale of why it was
necessary to fight the evil Nazis. If outright Nazism is what the US empire is all about, why
did they bother about fighting Hitler?
Probably because he was not "American." Or was it because the original Nazis spent quite a
bit on education?
I suspect Cesar Sayoc is a straight up patsy. As Mr Hopkins points out, none of the
bombs(sic) had an earthly chance of exploding. Mr Sayoc was discovered due to DNA evidence no
doubt left on the beer cans he made the bombs out of. Its straight out of the Anthrax post
9/11 playbook but fortunately without deadly consequences. How the dumb American Sheeple
(apart from most Unz.com readers of course) can't see it is beyond me.
In terms of lone nut being the harbinger of domestic terrorism we had this in the UK with
the Jo Cox case in 2016, where the mentally ill individual ( who I strongly suspect was
controlled by the Deep State) was hustled off to the Old Bailey accused of being a white
supremacist Brexit supporting terrorist and convicted in 3 days flat. No explanation of where
he actually acquired his gun, why for such a racist he didnt harm Cox's Asian assistant even
when she hit him with a handbag etc etc
Robert D Bowers is of course a homicidal maniac, Trump hater and gift horse to the ADL who
have their first real anti- semitism case in decades. Makes a change from blacks or policemen
shouting 'oy vey' or some other gross obscenity at Brooklyn Jews
@Hans
Vogel Absolutely agree the dumbing down of education especially the absence of any
critical thinking despite the presence of so called civics or citizenship on the curriculum
is crucial to the success of the propaganda effort
No society can manage all of its fringe lunatics all of the time. So when one occasionally
goes off rails ("postal" as they used to say) the ideologues who manage the propaganda
outlets know that pointing to the obvious reality of the event doesn't advance the agenda.
And, luckily for them there is always a handy abstraction, a scary "ism" or "obia" to hang on
the event and smear a whole bunch of folks whose manners they disapprove of.
Neoliberal Multicultural Globalist Capitalism is the new Marxism. Its true believers have
learned from the failures of Marxists to rule the world forever, forcing the deplorable white
trash to accept being cogs for ideological good, how to get the job done.
Whats more concerning is something stormy daniels said about trump ..that he is out of his
depth.she might have ulterior motives but it somehow rings true.Combine that with sayoc and
bowers types and one has to wonder how many more are there out there just waiting to make
america great again
" news is just coming in from Guardian columnist Christina Patterson that Jeremy Corbyn and
the Labour Party are also responsible for the Pittsburgh attack, "
I wonder if it is known that Soros owns the Guardian, so that, I fear, to the list CNN,
Washpost and NYT, Guardian can be added.
As I wrote here just a few hours ago, I wondered why there was no political follow up on the
Pittsburgh massacre.
But possibly this is it.
Cynics like me, who understand Pearl Harbour, Liberty, possibly Kennedy and Diana, certainly
Sept 11, now wonder 'who did it ?', and 'why were just ten jews killed ?'.
Automatic weapons are freely available in the USA, what a few Muslims can do in Paris should
be quite easy in the USA.
It is common practice with political murders to kill the murderer, such as Lee Harvey Oswald,
dead men cannot talk.
But after the murder of Anna Lyndh it seems possible that better ways have been found to hide
political murders.
@Hans
Vogel If Hitler was the problem, why was not Germany beaten in 1938, when both the Chech
and the Polish armies still existed ?
Attacked by Poland, Chechoslovakia, Britain and France, possibly the USSR too, Hitler Germany
would have been beaten in a few weeks, historians agree on this.
Historians debating this question agree on the only possible solution: that Roosevelt wanted
a long war, in which the USA would be the victor.
Dividing up Germany somehow between the mentioned four or five countries would bring the USA
nothing.
These false flags are a part of the deep states efforts to keep the American people in a
state of terror and hysteria to accept more and more government control over our lives and as
long as the people accept these acts at face value without doing any checking on the facts ,
the deep state will have succeeded.
" as if your wack job was actually a rational person and not just a totally paranoid geek who
decided to attempt to assassinate Reagan because he couldn't get a date with Jodie Foster ."
Whats more concerning is something stormy daniels said about trump ..that he is out of
his depth.she might have ulterior motives but it somehow rings true.
its true, he's probably nowhere as intelligent as obozo but somehow he gets by
stormy sounds like an expert, maybe she can judge a man's IQ by the taste of his sperm
May 4, 2017 False Flag Exposed Caught Red Handed and Prevented
In this video, we give you the latest news of a false flag that has been prevented in
Germany, the historical context of false flags, and importance in current politics.
May 07, 2014 The Oldest Trick In the Book: Empire Pretends It Has to Launch Wars to
"Defend" Itself
Empires – almost by definition – fight imperial wars to gain land and
resources. But if they admitted to their citizens what they were up to, people wouldn't be
that excited in sacrificing their families' blood and treasure to fight a series of wars.
@jilles
dykstra World War 2 may have continued indefinitely had not Russia been preparing to
invade Japan, thus forcing the United States into dropping the bombs.
Anyone assuming the Jewish-controlled Deep State would have any qualms about killing a few
Jewish senior citizens to assure the revolution continues, are badly mistaken.
@Carroll
Price FORCED to drop nuclear bombs? There is always a choice, even for a rogue state like
the US. (Rather, a state, inhabited by many decent, trusting people, but run by ruthless
criminals such as FDR, the Bushes, Obomba and the like). Besides, in early 1945 FDR received
a detailed report by one of his generals to the effect that Japan was ready to surrender. Yet
FDR, may he burn in hell, decided to ignore this and continue bombing Japanese cities: in
March of 1945, Tokyo was bombed, and over 100.000 Japanese civilians were murdered. The
Soviet Union had promised to join in the final assault on Japan, doing FDR a favor because he
did not want to go it alone.
People who never resort to 'foul' language are either dead inside, or are scheming
scumbags trying to get one over on the crowd.
No one is in a position to determine whether "People never resort "
In the early 80s, I was at a social function where foul language use was part of the
general conversation. A woman in her mid to late 40s who was sitting at the table rebuked us
gently by stating that our profanities were a poor excuse for a bad vocabulary. There is a
time and place for profanity, spouting off profanely at a political opponent in a public
place does nothing for credibility.
As for calling a fig a fig, I seldom use the word cunt for the simple reason that a cunt
has a use , while those who are often called cunts, don't.
I am immediately suspicious about anyone whose 'authority' includes a costume –
judges, pigs, TSA etc; likewise, anyone who relies on 'gravitas' or presentation
(politicians, senior bureaucrats, diplomats, marketing shitheads).
If every one of those people were put to the sword by people screaming "FUCK YOU" at the
top of their lungs, humanity would be better off.
I enjoyed your comment.
and agree wholeheartedly
(except for including 'pigs' with your litany of scoundrels. It's not fair to the
inoffensive four-legged kind ; )
@anon Nice
try. But, first of all, learn to write simply. Like the man said, all those words don't fit
on a phone.
Secondly, you are absolutely right. ID politics is what our owners want. They want us to
fight over who is oppressing whom. So it don't matter if you are pro-white or anti-white,
pro-racism or anti, you are doing our master's bidding.
The only answer is blacks and whites and homosexuals and heterosexuals and women and men
etc etc, all together, all as one, screaming, "Mo money mo money mo money mo money." But that
won't happen because they find it easier to shame each other over meaningless nonsense like
race and sex and other ridiculous identities.
To be a dissident in the 1960′s meant that one objected to the standard narrative of
White-European greatness and blamelessness for conquering much of the world. Today it means
just the opposite. The roles have reversed. Not only are Europeans not viewed as great but
they are blamed for everything that is wrong anywhere, anytime. To be a dissident is to
insist that Europeans aren't quite so bad as they are currently portrayed.
I never thought I'd say this but if Nixon were alive today he would appear as the very
soul of rationality and a bastion of sanity compared to the current crop of rat-faced,
unprincipled traitors who dominate the news. At least Nixon had the integrity to not sell out
his country to an alien tribe of sleazy money changers, usurers and unpatriotic off-shore
operators.
At one point in his life, Hunter Thompson thought things couldn't get any worse than
Tricky Dick. Little did he suspect. It's likely that Thompson, at some point before he pulled
the trigger, came to the belated realization that, compared to the debased venality of our
present leaders, Nixon was an honorable man, a lover of his country and a loyal patriot.
Watergate was a misdemeanor B & E compared to the rape and genocide of whites that is
taking place today.
@Hans
Vogel 'The English' in WII did not exist.
Many sympathized with Hitler
Ian Kershaw, ´Hitlers Freunde in England, Lord Londonderry und der Weg in den Krieg',
(Making Friends with Hitler. Lord Londonderry and Britain's Road to War, 2004, London),
München 2005
The Marquess of Londonderry, ´England blickt auf Deutschland, Um die deutsch-englische
Verständigung, Essen 1938 (Ourselves and Germany, 1938)
Churchill loved war, he refused all Hitler's attempts at peace.
There seems to be a book Churchill's Toy Shop, did not read it, Churchill's personal weapons
gadget development facility.
In this he was supported by his scientific advisor Lindemann
C.P.Snow, ´Science and government', 1961, Cambridge, Massachusetts
Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince and Stephen Prior, 'Double standards, The Rudolf Hess cover-up',
London 2002
Günther W.Gellermann, 'Geheime Wege zum Frieden mit England , Ausgewählte
Initiativen zur Beëndigung des Krieges 1940/1942', Bonn 1995
Stürmer, Teichmann, Treue 'Striking the Balance Sal. Oppenheim jr. & Cie. A family
and a Bank', London 1994
Thomas E. Mahl, 'Desperate deception, British covert operations in the United States
1939-44', Dulles, Virginia, 1998
However, in Casablanca Churchill found out he was at the mercy of FDR
Francois Kersaudy, ´De Gaulle et Roosevelt, Le duel au sommet', Paris, 2004
If Churchill ever realised that LendLease was the end of the British empire, I wonder
R.F. Harrod, 'THE PROF, A personal memoir of Lord Cherwell', London, 1959
John Charmley,'Churchill's Grand Alliance, A provocative reassessment of the "Special
relationship" between England and the U.S. from 1940 to 1957', 1995, London
John Charmley, 'Der Untergang des Britischen Empires, Roosevelt – Churchill und
Amerikas Weg zur Weltmacht', Graz 2005
But the two essential books explaining why Chamberlain steered towards war, without wanting
war:
Lawrence R. Pratt, 'East of Malta, West of Suez', London, 1975
Simon Newman, ´March 1939, The British guarantee to Poland, A study in the continuity
of British Foreign Policy', 1976, Oxford
The genocidal folly of bombing German women, children and old men:
Solly Zuckermann, 'From Apes to Warlords, an autobiography, 1904- 46', London 1988
Even the official post WWII British report on the bombing of Germany concluded that the
damage to GB was equal to German damage, British damage defined as building and maintaining
bombers, producing bombs, and, last but not in the least least, losing a whole generation of
Britain's promising young men
Peter H. Nicoll, ´Englands Krieg gegen Deutschland, Ursachen, Methoden und Folgen des
Zweiten Weltkriegs', 1963, 2001, Tübingen ( Britain's Blunder, 1953)
This last book also contains a calculation of how WWII impoverished the USA.
@Hans
Vogel said:
"The described mechanism seems to me to have been taken right out of the Goebbels manual "
Oh really? What "manual" was that? Your indoctrination is showing.
Pie drops the ball when he talks about 'the Nazis' & the Battle of Britain, which was
a result of British initiation of bombing purely civilian targets.
The New York Times explained how Trump was employing a strategy called "stochastic
terrorism," i.e., inspiring random acts of violence that are statistically predictable but
individually unpredictable!
Wow. Quasi-treasonous scumbaggery from the dominant press outlets has become so common, it
rarely registers on me anymore. But this is an unusually detestable example.
But that won't happen because they find it easier to shame each other over
meaningless nonsense like race and sex and other ridiculous identities.
if this was true there would be no problem allowing hundreds of millions of africans into
Europe, the U.S. etc but sub-saharan africans have IQs as low as 70 and have never built
anything of substance in their existence
they have nothing to contribute except violence and crime
@jilles
dykstra Thanks for your bibliographical suggestions!
As for the English, I prefer this to the awkward term "British." (see also AJP Taylor's
introduction to his English History, 1914-1945 ). As long as the English and English
speakers usually refer to the Netherlands as "Holland," and US people call their country
"America" and themselves "Americans," why should we not say English instead of British?" The
English better get used to foreign usage, as have the Greeks ("Hellenes") and Hungarians
("Magyars").
Btw, the translator of Nicoll's book on your list agrees with me: he calls Britain
"England!"
@wayfarer
Here is a video that Ron Unz should feature of a truly honest and great young American Jewish
activist: Jeremy Rothe-Kushel and Greg McCarren of The Anecdote speak about
this Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting:
Gee; that's sort of true – the politicians pick the wars the Army fights. The
implication of that statement is that America always goes reluctantly into battle, after
exhausting every attempt to reach a peaceful solution. The reality is much different, and the
United States has never fought a war of self-defense, not once, unless you count the Civil
War, which was an all-American effort with no foreign enemy. It has always been the attacker,
in one context or another, and if the Army is gearing up for a major war in Europe, that's
because that's the war the politicians are planning to have the Army fight. The last time I
looked, the United States was not in Europe. But that's the attraction of a European war
– it represents a chance to turn back the clock, and to reposition the USA as the
world's dominant leader and sole superpower, before greed and manipulation and wedge issues
and gender-politics distractions and the gradual corruption of the political class brought it
to the sorry state of debauchery in which it now finds itself. Unfortunately Europe will have
to experience a considerable degree of damage, as the host, but the Europeans have always
been pretty good about taking one for the team. The important thing is that America will be
untouched and totally committed to the rebuilding of Europe just like the last time.
Well, don't count on it. There were no ICBM's in the last war, and it's considerably
easier, these days, to reach out and slap the fuck out of the one who is responsible for
starting the whole thing.
"... Let's face it: profits and power should be classified as perennial reasons why U.S. leaders persist in waging such conflicts. War may be a racket , as General Smedley Butler claimed long ago, but who cares these days since business is booming ? ..."
"... As former New York Times ..."
"... Add in, as well, the issue of political credibility. No president wants to appear weak and in the United States of the last many decades, pulling back from a war has been the definition of weakness. ..."
"... Washington Post ..."
"... A retired Air Force lieutenant colonel and professor of history, Astore is a ..."
"... . His personal blog is ..."
"... You seem to have missed it, but Trump campaigned on an anti-war platform. The real story is how the Deep State/Cabal turned him around, and how irrelevant elections are ..."
As America enters the 18th year of its war in
Afghanistan and its 16th in Iraq, the war on terror continues in Yemen , Syria, and parts of Africa, including
Libya,
Niger , and
Somalia . Meanwhile, the Trump administration threatens yet more war, this time
with Iran . (And given these last years, just how do you imagine that's likely to turn
out?) Honestly, isn't it time Americans gave a little more thought to why their leaders persist
in waging losing wars
across significant parts of the planet? So consider the rest of this piece my attempt to do
just that.
Let's face it: profits and power should be classified as perennial reasons why U.S.
leaders persist in waging such conflicts. War may be a racket , as General Smedley Butler
claimed long ago, but who cares these days since business is booming
? And let's add to such profits a few other all-American motivations. Start with the fact
that, in some curious sense, war is in the American bloodstream.
As former New York Times war correspondent Chris Hedges once put it , "War
is a force that gives us meaning." Historically, we Americans are a violent people who have
invested much in a self-image of toughness
now being displayed across the " global battlespace ." (Hence
all the talk in this country not about our soldiers but about our " warriors .") As the bumper stickers I see
regularly where I live say: "God, guns, & guts made America free." To make the world freer,
why not export all three?
Add in, as well, the issue of political credibility. No president wants to appear weak
and in the United States of the last many decades, pulling back from a war has been the
definition of weakness. No one -- certainly not Donald Trump -- wants to be known as the
president who "lost" Afghanistan or Iraq. As was true of Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard
Nixon in the Vietnam years, so in this century fear of electoral defeat has helped prolong the
country's hopeless wars. Generals, too, have their own fears of defeat, fears that drive them
to escalate conflicts (call it the urge to surge) and even to advocate for the use of nuclear
weapons, as General William Westmoreland did in 1968
during the Vietnam War.
Washington's own
deeply embedded illusions and deceptions also serve to generate and perpetuate its wars.
Lauding our troops as " freedom fighters " for peace and prosperity,
presidents like George W. Bush have waged a set of brutal wars in the name of spreading
democracy and a better way of life. The trouble is: incessant war doesn't spread democracy --
though in the twenty-first century we've learned that it does spread
terror groups -- it
kills it . At the same time, our leaders, military and civilian, have given us a false picture of the nature of the
wars they're fighting. They continue to present the U.S. military and its vaunted "smart"
weaponry as a precision surgical instrument capable of targeting and destroying the cancer
of terrorism, especially of the radical Islamic variety. Despite the hoopla about them,
however, those precision instruments of war turn out to be blunt indeed , leading to the
widespread killing of innocents, the massive displacement of people across America's war
zones, and floods of refugees who have, in turn, helped spark the rise of the populist right in
lands otherwise still at peace.
Lurking behind the incessant warfare of this century is another belief, particularly
ascendant in the Trump White House: that big militaries and expensive weaponry represent "
investments " in a better future -- as if the Pentagon were the Bank of America or Wall
Street. Steroidal military spending continues to be sold as a key to creating jobs and maintaining America's
competitive edge, as if war were America's primary business. (And perhaps it is!)
Those who facilitate enormous military budgets and frequent conflicts abroad still earn
special praise here. Consider, for example, Senator John McCain's rapturous final sendoff,
including the way arms maker Lockheed Martin
lauded him as an American hero supposedly tough and demanding when it came to military
contractors. (And if you believe that, you'll believe anything.)
Put all of this together and what you're likely to come up with is the American version of
George Orwell's famed formulation in his novel 1984 : "war is peace."
The War the Pentagon Knew How to Win
Twenty years ago, when I was a major on active duty in the U.S. Air Force, a major concern
was the possible corroding of civil-military relations -- in particular, a growing gap between
the military and the civilians who were supposed to control them. I'm a clipper of newspaper
articles and I saved some from that long-gone era. "Sharp divergence found in views of military
and civilians," reported the New York Times in September 1999. "Civilians, military
seen growing apart," noted the Washington Post a month later. Such pieces were picking
up on trends already noted by distinguished military commentators like Thomas Ricks and Richard
Kohn. In July 1997, for instance, Ricks had written an
influentialAtlantic article, "The Widening Gap between the Military and Society."
In 1999, Kohn gave a lecture at the Air Force Academy titled
"The Erosion of Civilian Control of the Military in the United States Today."
A generation ago, such commentators worried that the all-volunteer military was becoming an
increasingly conservative and partisan institution filled with generals and admirals
contemptuous of civilians, notably then-President Bill Clinton. At the time, according to
one study ,
64% of military officers identified as Republicans, only 8% as Democrats and, when it came to
the highest levels of command, that figure for Republicans was in the stratosphere, approaching
90%. Kohn quoted a West Point graduate as saying, "We're in danger of developing our own
in-house Soviet-style military, one in which if you're not in 'the party,' you don't get
ahead." In a similar fashion, 67% of military officers self-identified as politically
conservative, only 4% as liberal.
In a 1998
article for the U.S. Naval Institute's Proceedings , Ricks noted that "the ratio
of conservatives to liberals in the military" had gone from "about 4 to 1 in 1976, which is
about where I would expect a culturally conservative, hierarchical institution like the U.S.
military to be, to 23 to 1 in 1996." This "creeping politicization of the officer corps," Ricks
concluded, was creating a less professional military, one in the process of becoming "its own
interest group." That could lead, he cautioned, to an erosion of military effectiveness if
officers were promoted based on their political leanings rather than their combat skills.
How has the civil-military relationship changed in the last two decades? Despite bending on
social issues (gays in the military, women in more combat roles), today's military is arguably
neither more liberal nor less partisan than it was in the Clinton years. It certainly hasn't
returned to its citizen-soldier roots via a draft. Change, if it's come, has been on the
civilian side of the divide as Americans have grown both more militarized and more partisan
(without any greater urge
to sign up and serve). In this century, the civil-military divide of a generation ago has
been bridged by endless
celebrations of that military as "the best of us" (as Vice President Mike Pence recently put
it).
Such expressions, now commonplace, of boundless faith in and
thankfulness for the military are undoubtedly driven in part by guilt over neither serving,
nor undoubtedly even truly caring. Typically, Pence didn't serve and neither did Donald Trump
(those pesky " heel spurs
"). As retired Army Colonel Andrew Bacevich put it in
2007: "To assuage uneasy consciences, the many who do not serve [in the all-volunteer military]
proclaim their high regard for the few who do. This has vaulted America's fighting men and
women to the top of the nation's moral hierarchy. The character and charisma long ago
associated with the pioneer or the small farmer -- or carried in the 1960s by Dr. King and the
civil-rights movement -- has now come to rest upon the soldier." This elevation of "our" troops
as America's moral heroes feeds a Pentagon imperative that seeks
to isolate the military from criticism and its
commanders from accountability for wars gone
horribly wrong .
Paradoxically, Americans have become both too
detached from their military and too deferential to it. We now love to applaud that
military, which, the pollsters
tell us, enjoys a significantly higher degree of trust and approval from the public than the
presidency, Congress, the media, the Catholic church, or the Supreme Court. What that military
needs, however, in this era of endless war is not loud cheers, but tough love.
As a retired military man, I do think our troops deserve a measure of esteem. There's a
selfless ethic to the military that should seem admirable in this age of selfies and
selfishness. That said, the military does not deserve the deference of the present moment, nor
the constant adulation it gets in endless ceremonies at any ballpark or sporting
arena. Indeed, deference and adulation, the balm of military dictatorships, should be poison to
the military of a democracy.
With U.S. forces endlessly fighting ill-begotten wars, whether in Vietnam in the 1960s or in
Iraq and Afghanistan four decades later, it's easy to lose sight of where the Pentagon
continues to maintain a truly winning record: right here in the U.S.A. Today, whatever's
happening on the country's distant battlefields, the idea that ever more inflated military
spending is an investment in making America great again reigns supreme -- as it has, with
little interruption, since the 1980s and the era of President Ronald Reagan.
The military's purpose should be, as Richard Kohn put it long ago, "to defend society, not
to define it. The latter is militarism." With that in mind, think of the way various retired
military men lined up behind Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in 2016, including a classically
unhinged
performance by retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn (he of the "lock her up" chants)
for Trump at the Republican convention and a
shout-out of a speech by retired General John Allen for Clinton at the Democratic one.
America's presidential candidates, it seemed, needed to be anointed by retired generals,
setting a dangerous precedent for future civil-military relations.
A Letter From My Senator
A few months back, I wrote a note to one of my senators to complain about America's endless
wars and received a signed reply via email. I'm sure you won't be surprised to learn that it
was a canned response, but no less telling for that. My senator began by praising American
troops as "tough, smart, and courageous, and they make huge sacrifices to keep our families
safe. We owe them all a true debt of gratitude for their service." OK, I got an instant warm
and fuzzy feeling, but seeking applause wasn't exactly the purpose of my note.
My senator then expressed support for counterterror operations, for, that is, "conducting
limited, targeted operations designed to deter violent extremists that pose a credible threat
to America's national security, including al-Qaeda and its affiliates, the Islamic State in
Iraq and Syria (ISIS), localized extremist groups, and homegrown terrorists." My senator then
added a caveat, suggesting that the military should obey "the law of armed conflict" and that
the authorization for the use of military force (AUMF) that Congress hastily approved in the
aftermath of 9/11 should not be interpreted as an "open-ended mandate" for perpetual war.
Finally, my senator voiced support for diplomacy as well as military action, writing, "I
believe that our foreign policy should be smart, tough, and pragmatic, using every tool in the
toolbox -- including defense, diplomacy, and development -- to advance U.S. security and
economic interests around the world." The conclusion: "robust" diplomacy must be combined with
a "strong" military.
Now, can you guess the name and party affiliation of that senator? Could it have been
Lindsey Graham or Jeff Flake, Republicans who favor a beyond-strong military and endlessly
aggressive counterterror operations? Of course, from that little critical comment on the AUMF,
you've probably already figured out that my senator is a Democrat. But did you guess that my
military-praising, counterterror-waging representative was Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of
Massachusetts?
Full disclosure: I like Warren and have made small contributions to her campaign. And her
letter did stipulate that she believed "military action should always be a last resort." Still,
nowhere in it was there any critique of, or even passingly critical commentary about, the U.S.
military, or the still-spreading war on terror, or the never-ending Afghan War, or the
wastefulness of Pentagon spending, or the devastation wrought in these years by the last
superpower on this planet. Everything was anodyne and safe -- and this from a senator who's
been pilloried by the right as a flaming liberal and caricatured as yet another socialist out
to destroy America.
I know what you're thinking: What choice does Warren have but to play it safe? She can't go
on record criticizing the military. (She's already gotten in enough trouble in my home state
for daring
to criticize the police.) If she doesn't support a "strong" U.S. military presence
globally, how could she remain a viable presidential candidate in 2020?
And I would agree with you, but with this little addendum: Isn't that proof that the
Pentagon has won its most important war, the one that captured -- to steal a phrase from
another losing war -- the "hearts and minds" of America? In this country in 2018, as in 2017,
2016, and so on, the U.S. military and its leaders dictate what is acceptable for us to say and
do when it comes to our prodigal pursuit of weapons and wars.
So, while it's true that the military establishment failed to win those "hearts and minds"
in Vietnam or more recently in Iraq and Afghanistan, they sure as hell didn't fail to win them
here. In Homeland, U.S.A., in fact, victory has been achieved and, judging by the
latest Pentagon budgets , it couldn't be more overwhelming.
If you ask -- and few Americans do these days -- why this country's losing wars persist, the
answer should be, at least in part: because there's no accountability. The losers in those wars
have
seized control of our national narrative. They now define how the military is seen (as an
investment, a boon, a good and great thing); they now shape how we view our wars abroad (as
regrettable perhaps, but necessary and also a sign of national toughness); they now assign all
serious criticism of the Pentagon to what they might term the defeatist fringe.
In their hearts, America's self-professed warriors know they're right. But the wrongs
they've committed, and continue to commit, in our name will not be truly righted until
Americans begin to reject the madness of rampant militarism, bloated militaries, and endless
wars.
A retired Air Force lieutenant colonel and professor of history, Astore is aTomDispatch
regular. His personal blog isBracing Views.
You seem to have missed it, but Trump campaigned on an anti-war platform. The real story
is how the Deep State/Cabal turned him around, and how irrelevant elections are .
Another issue is whether or not the US military, especially its flag officers, are even
minimally competent. One suspects they are not.
@bob sykes Too true. Trump also promised to go after the pharmaceutical corporations but
has instead appointed industry insiders to the regulatory positions. He also bought into the
Republican tax cut mania with his foolish corporate tax cut. I suspect that Trump's weakness
of character has made it impossible for him to effectively oppose Washington's usual suspects
and their usual policies.
For a small fraction of the enormous amounts of money Pentagon gets every year any
half-competent political technologist in the US can promote Devil himself as a Savior and
make people believe it.
"American" leaders persist with these stupid wars because they don't fundamentally share a
connection with actual Americans. They are like foreign monarchs who don't speak the native
language. Hence, they don't really care about the locals.
Soon they run up out of the forces. And compulsory military service id the end of their
fun.
Stupid Cupid.
How are those differences different. When two navy ships cried ,that they were allegedly
attacked ,so the US can declare more war on the North Vietnam.
Real and bloody attack the ship Liberty and many deaths , resulted , that, pres. Johnson
shitted himself only and peacefully. .
From the tenor of the 1st 3 paragraphs, one could get the idea that the Central Bankers have
America right where they want her, by the short hairs. Yes folks they have us, and we're on
the fast track to bankruptcy, and foreclosure. If you think I'm full of it look into the
situation in Greece. That poor nation, with help form the Fed, is being cannibalized by the
Euro Central Bankers. Greece has been forced to sell it's national assets, and treasures,
everything on, above and below ground. The deadly and terrible fires which captured world
headlines for a few weeks this summers were to cover the screams of 11 million Greeks as they
watched their natural resources auctioned off to foreigners (Greek citizens were barred from
bidding) at discount, pennies on the dollar. Even the Royal Jewels of Greece were sold. Don't
believe me, read up on it.
Yes I believe the wild fires in Greece this summer were not so wild, or natural. The fires
were a false flag used to steal attention away from the rape of a once great nation. Nothing
but a false flag. A gift form the heartless Central Bankers.
How has the civil-military relationship changed in the last two decades? Despite bending
on social issues (gays in the military, women in more combat roles),
Who is that bending to? Certainly not ordinary civilians, the chattering classes
perhaps.
I hope you're not one of those "peace through de- moralized military "people .It's not the
fighting man's fault we're in all these crappy wars ,it's the politicians ..Or would you
rather have our soldiers spit on when they go out in public Major?
@tyrone "would you rather have our soldiers spit on when they go out in public"
I would rather have soldiers (not OUR soldiers) take responsibility for their actions
instead of the "I was just following orders" cop out. They should not volunteer for anything
going on right now, and they should refuse unlawful, unconstitutional, or immoral orders if
they are already in the military. After all, these are humans capable of thinking and making
moral decisions. They are not GI Joe dolls
@Dutch Boy Well to date, at least Trump hasn't started any wars. Not only that, his
"craziness" seems to be allowing the Koreans to decide their own fate. If they come up with
an end to their war, will anyone sane in the US say no? One down, lots more to go.
I might add,m that his Russian rhetoric is actually pushing the EU and Russia closer
together. Bye Bye NATO?
American leaders lose and lose and lose because Congress is composed of chumps with no balls
like Ro Khanna.Look at this half-assed stab at reinventing the wheel to CIA specifications
The world has already set the rules out in gnat's-ass detail, and the US is bound by it.
Just say so, for chrissake.
First of all, what he seems to be getting at with 'restraint' is codified in binding
black-letter international law and case law. The right to self-defense is subject to
necessity and proportionality tests, and invariably subject to UN Charter Chapter 7 in its
entirety. See Article 51. Instead of this waffle, just say, the president must commit to
faithfully execute the supreme law of the land, specifically including UN Charter Chapter
7.
Second, national security is not a loophole in human rights. Under universal jurisdiction
law, it is a war crime to declare abolished, suspended or inadmissible in a court of law the
rights and actions of the nationals of the hostile party. Domestic human rights are subject
to ICCPR Article 4 and the Siracusa Principles. Instead of CIA's standard National Security
get-out clause, state explicitly that US national security is respect, protection and
fulfillment of all human rights.
Third, internationalism is OK as far as it goes, but he doesn't deal with the underlying
issue: CIA has infested State with focal points and dotted-line reports, and demolished the
department's capacity for pacific resolution of disputes. You need to explicitly tie State's
mission to UN Charter Chapter 6, and criminalize placement of domestic CIA agents in
State.
Fourth, Congressional war-making powers are useless with Congress completely corrupted.
Bring back the Ludlow Amendment, war by public referendum only, subject to Article 51.
So purge these eunuchs and get us a law'norder candidate. Like a Grayson.
As much as I enjoy shooting holes in inanimate objects and seeing stuff blown up into little
pieces, I want to see my country (what's left of it anyway) drastically reduce the number of
its foreign military bases and cease provoking China and Russia with its adolescent
shenanigans. Cutting our losses and leaving Afghanistan after 18 years of folly would also be
a plus. Japan, South Korea and most NATO members are sufficiently grown up to handle and fund
their own military affairs and adventure wars without an American presence and logistical
support. As for the ME, withdraw completely and allow them to return to type. Trade with them
only as necessary and stop importing their cretinous minions to the US. The US military needs
to be repurposed to a robust defense of North America, border and port security and
maintaining freedom of movement in sea lanes in cooperation with other nations. As for
knuckle-cracking Neocons and warmongering MIC bureaucrats, sack the lot and let them take up
selling shoes.
Makes sense: You haven't lost the war if it never ends.
Kind of ironic that America's biggest export business is subject to having its supply
chain crippled on any given day by America's largest rival. As another great American hero
once quipped, "Stupid is as stupid does."
@Unrepentant Conservative Judging by the quality of their policies, the shoes they might
sell would hardly be wearable. I suggest sending them all to Saudi Barbaria or another place
where their ilk is in charge.
Or, to put this article more economically: The USAmerican empire continues on the
irreversible path to which all empires come eventually: decline and fall. Meanwhile, the new
imperial sun rises in the North/East. The nazis' Tausand Jahre Reich lasted about twelve
years, counting from their initiating false-flag – the Reichstag fire – to the
fall of Berlin to the Red Army.* How long for 'the New American Century', counting from its
initiating false-flag, 11/9/01? (British notation ) Twenty five years? Thirty? Less?
And as usual with standard-issue disintegrating empires, only a few can see clearly what's
happening. And no-one – but no-one – can do anything effective to stop it. If you
like 'classical' music, listen again to the insane march episode in the first movement of
Shostakovich's 7th Symphony, 'The Leningrad'. Perfect encapsulation of the inevitable fate of
empires.
What's that you say? The USAmerican empire isn't a standard-issue one? "This time it's
different!"? If you think that, then clearly you're not one of the few who can see clearly
what's happening – as usual. Wake up soon!
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* Sure, the piddling USuketc. forces got to West Berlin about the same time. But does any
sane, properly-informed person still think it wasn't the Russians who did the serious heavy
lifting in WW2
Another place the US military is winning is in defending the US Dollar.
If any ME oil producer suggests going off the dollar standard they get whacked . That's
what happened to Saddam Hussein (Iraq) and Muamar Gadafi (Libya) and the threat to Iran.
Recently Mohamed bin Salam (Saudi Arabia) just got a strong reminder of who is in charge and
to stop favouring the Petro/Yuan.
The existing US Dollar world currency reserve status has a lot of advantages, since world
trade has to be priced in it, and world traders have to buy it. Take away this demand and the
dollar is only backed by the US economy (permanent deficits) and its value plummets.
If for example the dollar lost 50% of its value then the US could no longer fund on credit
ME wars, the MIC , special interests, welfare etc. as it is doing at present. The dollar
would have to return to its true value making the US an entirely different place.
Apart from the political impact, outsourcing would shut down, profits would disappear, the
military would have to pull out of bases around the world and ME wars would stop . The US
public would have less purchasing power, having to get used to living at the level of its
social development indicators (for example PISA test scores) somewhere in the region of lower
ranking European countries.
"presidents like George W. Bush have waged a set of brutal wars"
Not a bad example, but pretty conspicuously the only one given. I'm guessing he lives in a
timeline in which Democrats were sometimes manipulated into failing to curb the warmongering
excess of their thoroughly evil Republican predecessors. I won't hold my breath waiting for
him to credit Nixon and Reagan with ending the two longest-running wars of the 20th
Century.
Democracies fight wars as necessary, whereas Empires are constantly at war to preserve a
power structure with them on top. Winning the war and getting it over with is the goal in the
first case. Not losing a war and maintaining a threat to your opponents is the goal in the
second. This illustrates why empires eventually fall: it takes a constant expenditure of
energy to try to dominate everyone and the empire eventually can't back up its' non-stop
bullying.
It's not military weakness that is causing the US to slowly lose wars. Military reforms
wouldn't make US forces vastly more effective and capable of "winning". The problem is the
political context under which the military is employed. As long as the US is engaged in
building and maintaining an empire, the situation won't change.
You seem to have missed it, but Trump campaigned on an anti-war platform. The real story
is how the Deep State/Cabal turned him around, and how irrelevant elections are.
Trump wasn't turned around he is just a lair. He is a member of the Deep State.
Like Eric Margolis said, you don't win a war by killing people. You win a war by achieving
your strategic objective. Now, absent that, what the hell's the point? 1) Bushels of Money;
2) Perpetual Chaos. And that pair would make Trotsky and his backers proud. So, we haven't
come far, only deeper.
Wars in the Zionist template are not meant to be won, the wars are fought to terrorize both
the American people and the people of the targeted country and thus increase the governments
control over America and increase the profits of the Zionist banking cabal that perpetrated
the wars.
Read Orwells 1984 in the chapter on why wars are fought and as Orwell says , wars are not
fought to be won, they are fought to control the people and chew up the resources of the
countries in both sides of the conflict and keep the people on both sides in a state of
terror from a created terror threat, just as it is here in America aka Oceania.
The war on terror is a created lie, the Zionist controlled U.S. and Israel and Britain and
NATO created ISIS aka AL CIADA to provide the excuse to fight a threat that they created by
the Zionist controlled deep state and Israels attack on the WTC which led to the 17 year war
against the created threat.
America will never have peace as long as America is under Zionist control which it has
been since 1913 with the passage of the Zionist privately owned FED and IRS, which gives
Zionist bankers the ability to create money out of thin air to fund their wars and the IRS
gives them the power to tax the America people to pay for the Zionist wars.
Free America from Zionist control abolish the FED and the IRS.
Yes, well said, but one quibble: "Invest" in Wall Street? haha. At least with our ridiculous
winless wars we get to keep some sliver our our technological base. Wall Street is purely
parasitic
The biggest reason these wars go on and on and on is there is no draft. Anyone who was alive
during the Vietnam era knows this to be true. It was the anti-war, which in reality was the
anti-draft movement that put an end to the quagmire which was Vietnam.
Any one who will admit the truth knows we here in America do not care about anything that
does not concern us. As long as I don't have to go fight and die in some shit hole country, I
really can't be bothered with such things. The "haves" will never worry about the fate of the
"have not's".
The Empire is assured a steady stream of new "volunteers" as we have shipped our jobs and
manufacturing over seas. The poor with no prospects for a career, or even a job in anything
above the fast food industry see the military as their only hope for any kind of a future.
Charlie Daniels states in his song Long Haired Country Boy "A rich man goes to college and a
poor man goes to work". To be brought up to date, the line needs to be re-written as "A rich
man goes to college and a poor man goes to war".
The Empire(and its lap dogs the media)learned it had brighten the image of the armed
forces. No more stories of soldiers being spit on and called baby killers when they returned
home. It now would be yellow ribbons and waving flags for our soldiers returning home to a
hero's welcome.
If you think this perspective is incorrect, imagine the average college student, the ones
who had to take the day off from school when Trump was elected would react if they received
the following in the mail:
Greeting: You are hereby ordered for induction into the Armed Forces of the United States and
to report at Local Board No. 54, 24800 Mission Blvd., Hayward California on November 30th
2018 at 6:45 A.M.
Willful failure to report at the place and hour of the day named in this Order subjects the
violator to fine and imprisonment.
@Realist Trump didn't fill his Cabinet with the type of people who would be eager to
pursue his promises of troop withdrawals. It was alarming to see the inflow of generals and
bankers.
"The character and charisma long ago associated with the pioneer or the small farmer -- or
carried in the 1960s by Dr. King and the civil-rights movement -- has now come to rest
upon the soldier." This elevation of "our" troops as America's moral heroes feeds a
Pentagon imperative that seeks to isolate the military from criticism and its commanders
from accountability for wars gone horribly wrong."
You mean, that Dr. King ? the one who largely copied his "I have a dream speech"
(from Republican Archibald Carey Jr.), plagiarized his doctoral thesis, was a serial
adulterer, and who denied the deity of Christ, the Virgin Birth and the bodily Resurrection,
all while claiming to be a Christian preacher– a man who at the same time saw fit to
"instruct" Americans about the content of their character on other matters?
You don't have to be a Christian, nor believe in faithful marriages, fundamental and
orthodox Christian doctrine, or the integrity of academic papers to see that your use of MLK
here, is based upon the same moral and ethical logic that demands respect for the military,
while shielding it from criticism. It's the same game of constant and escalating virtue
signaling.
@Jeff Stryker{If war is such a good racket why has the US worse off }
Depending whose ox is being not-gored.
US – as a country of your average American taxpayers – is definitely worse
off: relentlessly growing national debt, higher and higher t taxes, deterioration of
infrastructure, loss of purchasing power.
Because the negative changes are small, they are not generally noticed.
But it is clear, if you know where to look, the country is gradually falling apart.
On the other hand – US as the top 1%, the rulers, the connected etc – is doing
great.
Top 1% now own about 40% of wealth in US.
The gap has widened over the years and keeps widening
For all practical purposes the American middle class has disappeared or disappearing
depending where you are.
"Middle class" husband and wife both have to work to raise 1 or maybe 2 kids.
Many moons ago just the husband worked and Americans easily raised 3-4 kids.
Unfortunately, the deep state obviously considers these wars "wins". Failing to recognize
that the enemy, in fact, rules us, helps continue the inevitability of that rule
I hope you're not one of those "peace through de- moralized military "people .It's not
the fighting man's fault we're in all these crappy wars ,it's the politicians ..Or would
you rather have our soldiers spit on when they go out in public Major?
I would prefer that people stop all this "they're fighting for our freedom" bulls ** t, as
it is transparent nonsense. "Our troops" are certainly not fighting for our freedom. If they
are, they're doing a really lousy job, because they've been fighting nearly non-stop for 17
years now, and yet we are getting steadily less free.
Well to date, at least Trump hasn't started any wars. Not only that, his "craziness"
seems to be allowing the Koreans to decide their own fate. If they come up with an end to
their war, will anyone sane in the US say no? One down, lots more to go.
I'm very ambivalent about the whole Korean thing. What happens if the North Korean regime
falls and Korea is unified under the southern regime – essentially the same scenario
that happened to Germany? Will our military stay there? Something tells me that the Pentagon
and whatever administration is in power at that time will answer yes. That would place an
American ally with American soldiers right on the border of China. Is that a good idea? I
don't think so – it seems a lot more dangerous in the long run than having, as we have
now, a buffer between us, even if that buffer is one of the crazy Kims with their
Baby's-First-Nuclear-Arsenal.
Superpowers (by which I mean any country with nuclear weapons) need to not border one
another, especially when one of them is the United States.
@Avery It sure went downhill since I left the US in 1999. If you had been overseas for 20
years like I have, being a single white male with no reason to return to the United States,
believe me you'd see the difference.
Hey, Astore ..how can you keyboard a screed concerning the ongoing wanton destruction of the
Mideast without once fingering the conniving jooies for pushing their selfish agenda
relentlessly? Your precious US military has simply been reduced to a well equipped and
financed group of mercenaries hired on to operate as the attack wing of the IDF. Everyone
knows it including you .
Apart from the cliche, "wars are for profits and power", the other important reason to keep
the troops abroad would be to prevent a civil war at home by the "God, guns and guts"crowd,
who might be tempted to carry out more Pittsburgh style attacks on those who don't fit into
the rightwing narrative, as the comment number two amply demonstrates.
@Curmudgeon I agree. I don't usually agree with Trumps rhetoric but the results seem to
be working for us in ways. NATO going away would be a huge win for the American people and
the world.
"... Roberts goes on to say that the ideology of US neoconservatives is "akin to the German Nazy Party last century" in their ideology of American supremacy and exceptionalism. ..."
Roberts, Former Asst. Treasury Secretary in the Reagan administration and former
contributing editor at the Wall Street Journal has been an outspoken critic of neocon foreign
policy and Washington corruption from a conservative viewpoint.
He has an enormous following on the internet and publishes at the Unz Review and on his own
website.
... ... ...
Roberts, 79, served in the Reagan administration from 1981 to 1982. He was formerly a
distinguished fellow at the Cato Institute and a senior research fellow at the Hoover
Institution, and has written for the Wall Street Journal and Businessweek.
Roberts maintains an active
blog .
He's also vehemently against interventionary wars around the world , and spoke with Russia's
state-owned Sputnik news in a
Tuesday article - in which Roberts said that President Trump's decision to pull out of the
Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty was a handout to the military-security
complex.
The former Reagan administration official clarified that he does not think "that the
military-security complex itself wants a war with Russia, but it does want an enemy that
can be used to justify more spending. " He explained that the withdrawing from the INF
Treaty "gives the military-security complex a justification for a larger budget and new
money to spend: manufacturing the formerly banned missiles."
...
The economist highlighted that " enormous sums spent on 'defense' enabled the armaments
corporations to control election outcomes with campaign contributions ," adding that in
addition, "the military has bases and the armaments corporations have factories in almost
every state so that the population, dependent on the jobs, support high amounts of
'defense' spending."
"That was 57 years ago," he underscored. "You can imagine how much stronger the
military-security complex is today." - Sputnik
Roberts also suggested that " The Zionist Neoconservatives are responsible for Washington's
unilateral abandonment of the INF treaty, just as they were responsible for Washington's
unilateral abandonment of the ABM Treaty [in 2002], the Iran nuclear agreement, and the promise
not to move NATO one inch to the East. "
Is this what got him suspended?
Roberts goes on to say that the ideology of US neoconservatives is "akin to the German
Nazy Party last century" in their ideology of American supremacy and exceptionalism.
" Their over-confidence about their ability to quickly defeat Israel's enemies and open the
Middle East to Israeli expansion got the US bogged down in wars in the Middle East for 17 years
... During this time, both Russia and China rose much more quickly than the neoconservatives
thought possible."
Dr. Roberts opined that US policy makers are seeking to weaponize the Russian opposition
and "pro-Western elements" to exert pressure on Moscow into "accommodating Washington in
order to have the sanctions removed." On the other hand, the Trump administration's new arms
race could force Russia into spending more on defense, according to the author. - Sputnik
While we don't know if Roberts' Sputnik interview resulted in his Twitter ban 48 hours
later, it's entirely possible.
"... This is what has been missing for over 40 years in the US, government's role in the economy. When any politician brings up the fact that it's time we used fiscal policy as it was designed, neoliberals have a socialism meltdown. Both parties have been taken over by the Kochtopus, The libertarian fascist ideology that hides behind the term "neoliberalism". The ultimate goal of this zombie ideology that was thoroughly discredited in 2008 but continues to roam the earth is to replace nations with privately owned cities. ..."
"... This is the struggle -- the struggle to maintain public space on a planet that was never meant to be owned in the first place. ..."
"Government exists to spend. The purpose of government is to serve the general welfare of the
citizens, not just the military-industrial complex and the financial class. Didn't we have a
stimulus, oh, eight years ago? It was tiny and has not been entirely spent. As Yellen
implied, we need more spending of the non-military kind (what Barney Frank memorably called
"weaponized Keynesianism" doesn't stimulate)."
This is what has been missing for over 40 years in the US, government's role in the
economy. When any politician brings up the fact that it's time we used fiscal policy as it
was designed, neoliberals have a socialism meltdown. Both parties have been taken over by the
Kochtopus, The libertarian fascist ideology that hides behind the term "neoliberalism". The
ultimate goal of this zombie ideology that was thoroughly discredited in 2008 but continues
to roam the earth is to replace nations with privately owned cities. This experiment was
going on in Honduras, following the 2009 coup, until it was finally ended by a SC ruling that
it was unconstitutional.
"In a libertarian society, there is no commons or public space. There are property
lines, not borders. When it comes to real property and physical movement across such real
property, there are owners, guests, licensees, business invitees and trespassers -- not
legal and illegal immigrants." ~ Jeff Deist, president of the Mises Institute
This is the struggle -- the struggle to maintain public space on a planet that was
never meant to be owned in the first place.
Trump may have his own views, but he has no own foreign policy. He is a neocon's
marionette.
Notable quotes:
"... Instead Bush, and later Obama, transitioned the military mission -- without consultation from Congress -- into a nation-building effort that was doomed from the start. Candidate Donald Trump spoke of a different approach to the Middle East and railed against nation-building abroad. His instincts on Afghanistan have been consistent and correct from very early on. Had it not been for the relentless pressure of several key officials, the war might already have come to end. ..."
"... Woodward wrote ..."
"... Trump defers to the Pentagon because he doesn't really care. He says he wants to get out of Afghanistan (and I support that) but getting out isn't going to make him any money, or get him any votes. So why bother with it, especially when he can lie to his base and tell them we are already out, and they'll believe him? ..."
"... Trump is the kind of person who likes to "talk the talk" but when comes right down to it, he going to sadly, "walk the walk" that the Washington establishment tells him to walk. ..."
"... The treasonous MIC and those top generals do not care about the nation and ordinary Americans. They care only about their profits, careers and their own egos. ..."
"... There is no war they don't like – Middle East, checked, Ukraine, yes, South China Sea, sure, Korea, definitely. It is so sad that Trump turns out to be such a weak and impotent president, contrary to what the supporters claim. ..."
In a routine dating back to 2004, U.S. officials
regularly claim that the latest strategy in Afghanistan is working -- or as General David
Petraeus said in
2012 , the war had "turned a corner." It hadn't and it still hasn't. In fact, evidence
overwhelmingly affirms that the newest "new" strategy will be no more effective than those that
came before it. It is time to stop losing U.S. lives while pretending that victory is just
around the corner. It is time to end the war in Afghanistan.
Last week, one of the most brazen insider attacks of the war took place in Kandahar when one
of the Afghanistan governor's bodyguards turned rogue,
killingthree high-profile
Afghan leaders and
wounding the senior U.S. field commander, Brigadier General Jeffrey Smiley. Miraculously,
the new commander, General Scott Miller, escaped harm. But in 2018,
eight Americans have been killed in Afghanistan, bringing the American death toll to
2,351 .
On October 7, 2001, President George W. Bush
addressed the nation as combat operations in Afghanistan began. He emphasized that the
American "mission is defined. The objectives are clear. [Our] goal is just." Those objectives,
he explained , were "targeted actions" that were "designed to disrupt the use of
Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations and to attack the military capability of the
Taliban regime."
By the summer of 2002, those objectives were fully met as the Taliban organization was
wholly destroyed and al-Qaeda severely degraded. As of 2009, there were reportedly
as few as 100 stragglers scattered impotently throughout Afghanistan. The military mission
should therefore have ended and combat forces redeployed.
Instead Bush, and later Obama, transitioned the military mission -- without consultation
from Congress -- into a nation-building effort that was doomed from the start. Candidate Donald
Trump spoke of a different approach to the Middle East and railed against nation-building
abroad. His instincts on Afghanistan have been consistent and correct from very early on. Had
it not been for the relentless pressure of several key officials, the war might already have
come to end.
After a December 2015 insider attack, Trump tweeted : "A suicide
bomber has just killed U.S. troops in Afghanistan. When will our leaders get tough and smart.
We are being led to slaughter!" According to Bob Woodward's book Fear , Trump brought
that same passion against the futility of the Afghan war into the White House.
Woodward
wrote that at an August 2017 meeting on Afghanistan, Trump told his generals that the
war had been "a disaster," and chided them for "wanting to add even more troops to something I
don't believe in."
Woodward claims that Trump then told the top brass, "I was against this from the beginning.
He folded his arms. 'I want to get out,' the president said. 'And you're telling me the answer
is to get deeper in.'" Under pressure -- from the likes of Secretary of Defense James Mattis
and Senator Lindsey Graham -- Trump eventually gave in.
Events have since proven that Trump would have done the country a favor by resisting that
pressure and sticking to his instincts to end the war. The violence
keeps up at a record pace, civilian casualties continue to set
all-time highs , and Afghan troops struggle
mightily with battle losses. The president was right in August 2017 and his instincts
remain solid today.
The longer Trump continues to defer to the establishment thinking that produced 17
consecutive years of military failure, the longer that failure will afflict us, the more
casualties we will suffer unnecessarily, and the more money we will pour down the drain.
It is time for Trump to remember that it is futile to try to win the unwinnable and finally
end America's longest war.
Daniel L. Davis is a senior fellow for Defense Priorities and a former Lieutenant
Colonel in the U.S. Army who retired in 2015 after 21 years, including four combat deployments,
two of which were in Afghanistan.
Trump defers to the Pentagon because he doesn't really care. He says he wants to get out of
Afghanistan (and I support that) but getting out isn't going to make him any money, or get
him any votes. So why bother with it, especially when he can lie to his base and tell them we
are already out, and they'll believe him?
Trump is the kind of person who likes to "talk the talk" but when comes right down to it, he
going to sadly, "walk the walk" that the Washington establishment tells him to walk.
The treasonous MIC and those top generals do not care about the nation and ordinary
Americans. They care only about their profits, careers and their own egos.
There is no war they don't like – Middle East, checked, Ukraine, yes, South China
Sea, sure, Korea, definitely. It is so sad that Trump turns out to be such a weak and impotent president, contrary to
what the supporters claim.
I think a lot of us could have tolerated the asinine antics if he had stuck to his campaign
positions on this and other things .
God; what might have been .
SDS, you are correct. I've often thought that Trump could have forged a majority coalition by
doing things the People really wanted, or at least didn't hate: nominating another Gorsuch,
cutting the size of government, appointing competent people, getting out of the Middle East,
no tariffs, less racism, getting concession from businesses that benefited from the tax cut,
following emoluments rules, etc. etc.
"I think a lot of us could have tolerated the asinine antics if he had stuck to his
campaign positions on this and other things . God; what might have been ."
First, sorry you fell for The Con. I understand. Maybe. Second, the real question is, "What are you going to do about it?". Vote Republican Nov 6? Why would you do that? Hope against all hope? Dementia? Gluttony
for punishment? BTW. HRC is not on the ballot this time, and will never be again.
Unless we intend to invade en mass, and scour the country from one end to the other to defeat
any and all opponents, the mission in Afghanistan will remain what it is. "new wine (of
sorts) in old wineskins.
If we are going to remake a country -- we had better remake it. I am not sure i have ever
said this before but the entire affair
We hear Pakistan is now desperate for IMF aid. That the One belt One Road initiative there by
China has already put the country in the position of having to stand down its creditor,
China. Partly with the help of Japanese finance, Iran and India are out to squeeze Islamabad
out of world trade.
The Pakis are headed into a new dark age, so don't expect the Russians to bark wildly and
chase down this car. With any luck, they and China will revive the Northern Alliance, make a
garrison of Kabul, and eventually Xi and Vladi will have their own escalating civil war over
control over Central Asia.
I'd say January 2019 is a good time to begin a quick US withdrawal, just as long as we
pull out of the IMF and not give another red American cent to the region, save a green zone
around Kabul with economically productive areas.
I would argue that although this would seem like an American loss, it will put our
Progressive yappers to shame. What human values would they stand up and defend now, among the
IndoPak Caravan? Maybe then we'll really focus on our own border and wage the good fight
where it is needed -- the Culture War.
Obama had intended to leave. The military insisted on vict'ry and another Surge. He gave them
their Surge and their time to do it. They failed, made things worse and prevented Obama from
leaving. They're still playing. Trump's just the latest Oval Office 'sucker'.
"... Bankers, agro-business elites, commercial mega owners, manufacturing, real estate and insurance bosses and their financial advisers, elite members of the 'ruling class', have launched a full-scale attack on private and public wage and salary workers, and small and medium size entrepreneurs (the members of the 'popular classes'). The attack has targeted income ,pensions, medical plans, workplace conditions, job security, rents, mortgages, educational costs, taxation,undermining family and household cohesion. ..."
"... Big business has weakened or abolished political and social organizations which challenge the distribution of income and profits and influence the rates of workplace output. In brief the ruling classes have intensified exploitation and oppression through the 'class struggle' from above. ..."
"... The United States witnessed the ruling class take full control of the state, the workplace and distribution of social expenditures. ..."
"... The upsurge of the popular class struggle was contained and confined by the center-left political elite, while the ruling class marked time, making business deals to secure lucrative state contracts via bribes to the ruling center-left allied with the conservative political elite . ..."
"... The big business ruling class learned their lessons from their previous experience with weak and conciliating neo-liberal regimes. They sought authoritarian and, if possible rabble rousing political leaders, who could dismantle the popular organizations, and gutted popular welfare programs and democratic institutions, which previously blocked the consolidation of the neo-liberal New Order. ..."
"... The term "invidious distinction" was coined by Thornstein Veblen in his seminal "The Theory of the Leisure Class", in which Veblen argues that one of the primary human motivations is to evoke envy in our fellows. ..."
"... "Popular" class struggles need to be seen for what they are; temporary expedients whereby one set of rulers uses the populace for their own ends and against their competitors. ..."
"... Too many people get suckered into supporting "popular" movements and sometimes do gain temporary benefits, but when their handlers get what they want, the fun and games are over. ..."
Bankers, agro-business elites, commercial mega owners, manufacturing, real estate and
insurance bosses and their financial advisers, elite members of the 'ruling class', have
launched a full-scale attack on private and public wage and salary workers, and small and
medium size entrepreneurs (the members of the 'popular classes'). The attack has targeted
income ,pensions, medical plans, workplace conditions, job security, rents, mortgages,
educational costs, taxation,undermining family and household cohesion.
Big business has weakened or abolished political and social organizations which challenge
the distribution of income and profits and influence the rates of workplace output. In brief
the ruling classes have intensified exploitation and oppression through the 'class struggle'
from above.
We will proceed by identifying the means, methods and socio-political conditions which have
advanced the class struggle from above and, conversely, reversed and weakened the class
struggle from below.
Historical Context
The class struggle is the major determinant of the advances and regression of the interests
of the capitalist class. Following the Second World War, the popular classes experienced steady
advances in income, living standards, and work place representation. However by the last decade
of the 20 th century the balance of power between the ruling and popular classes
began to shift, as a new 'neo-liberal' development paradigm became prevalent.
First and foremost, the state ceased to negotiate and conciliate relations between rulers
and the working class: the [neoliberal] state concentrated on de-regulating the economy,
reducing corporate taxes, and eliminating labor's role in politics and the division of profits
and income.
The concentration of state power and income was not uncontested and was not uniform in all
regions and countries. Moreover, counter-cyclical trends, reflecting shifts in the balance of
the class struggle precluded a linear process. In Europe, the Nordic and Western European
countries' ruling classes advanced privatization of public enterprises, reduced social welfare
costs and benefits, and pillaged overseas resources but were unable to break the state funded
welfare system. In Latin America the advance and regression of the power, income and welfare of
the popular class, correlated with the outcome of the class and state struggle.
The United States witnessed the ruling class take full control of the state, the
workplace and distribution of social expenditures.
In brief, by the end of the 20 th century, the ruling class advanced in assuming
a dominant role in the class struggle.
Nevertheless, the class struggle from below retained its presence, and in some places,
namely in Latin America, the popular classes were able to secure a share of state power –
at least temporarily.
Popular Power: Contesting the Class Struggle from Above
Latin America is a prime example of the uneven trajectory of the class struggle.
Between the end of World War Two and the late 1940's, the popular classes were able to
secure democratic rights, populist reforms and social organization. Guatemala, Argentina,
Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela were among the leading examples. By the early 1950's with
the onset of the US imperialist 'cold war', in collaboration with the regional ruling classes
launched a violent class war from above, which took the form of military coups in Guatemala,
Peru, Argentina, Venezuela and Brazil. The populist class struggle was defeated by the US
backed military- business rulers who, temporarily imposed US agro-mineral export economies.
The 1950's were the 'golden epoch' for the advance of US multi-nationals and Pentagon
designed regional military alliances. But the class struggle from below rose again and found
expression in the growth of a progressive national populist industrializing coalition, and the
successful Cuban socialist regime and its followers in revolutionary social movements in the
rest of Latin America throughout the 1960's.
The revolutionary popular class insurgency of the early 1960's was countered by the ruling
class seizure of power backed by military-US led coups between 1964-1976 which demolished the
regimes and institutions of the popular classes in Brazil (1964), Bolivia (1970), Chile (1973),
Argentina (1976) , Peru (1973) and elsewhere.
Economic crises of the early 1980s reduced the role of the military and led to a 'negotiated
transition' in which the ruling class advanced a neo-liberal agenda in exchange for electoral
participation under military and US tutelage.
Lacking direct military rule, the ruling class struggle succeeded in muting the popular
class struggle by co-opting the center-left political elites. The ruling class did not or could
not establish hegemony over the popular classes even as they proceeded with their neo-liberal
agenda.
With the advent of the 21 st century a new cycle in the class struggle from below
burst forth. Three events intersected: the global crises of 2000 triggered regional financial
crashes, which in turn led to a collapse of industries and mass unemployment, which intensified
mass direct action and the ouster of the neo-liberal regimes. Throughout the first decade of
the 21 st century, neo-liberalism was in retreat. The popular class struggle and the
rise of social movements displaced the neo-liberal regimes but was incapable of replacing the
ruling classes. Instead hybrid center-left electoral regimes took power.
The new power configuration incorporated popular social movements, center-left parties and
neo-liberal business elites. Over the next decade the cross-class alliance advanced largely
because of the commodity boom which financed welfare programs, increased employment,
implemented poverty reduction programs and expanded investments in infrastructure.
Post-neoliberal regimes co-opted the leaders of the popular classes, replaced ruling class
political elites but did not displace the strategic structural positions of the business ruling
class..
The upsurge of the popular class struggle was contained and confined by the center-left
political elite, while the ruling class marked time, making business deals to secure lucrative
state contracts via bribes to the ruling center-left allied with the conservative political
elite .
The end of the commodity boom, forced the center-left to curtail its social welfare and
infrastructure programs and fractured the alliance between big business leaders and center-left
political elites. The ensuing economic recession facilitated the return of the neo-liberal
political elite to power.
The big business ruling class learned their lessons from their previous experience with weak
and conciliating neo-liberal regimes. They sought authoritarian and, if possible rabble rousing
political leaders, who could dismantle the popular organizations, and gutted popular welfare
programs and democratic institutions, which previously blocked the consolidation of the
neo-liberal New Order.
"The rightist rhetoric turns against itself as its followers engage in invidious
distinctions ."
Interesting. You don't see Veblen's "invidious distinction" trotted out very often these
days which is a pity. More the pity that it is misused in quote above. It's probably
uncharitable to take cheap shots at the article, which is a beautiful, anti-fa inspired,
fairytale history of the modern age. I just wish more care would be used for Marxist and
non-marxist socialist phrases such as "class struggle" and "invidious distinction" because it
impossible to detest them adequately when they are improperly deployed.
The term "invidious distinction" was coined by Thornstein Veblen in his seminal "The
Theory of the Leisure Class", in which Veblen argues that one of the primary human
motivations is to evoke envy in our fellows. Veblen thought that because all value is
subjective/arbitrary, it's quite reasonable to assume that the most efficient value signal is
that which creates the most envy in other men. A man's social standing is therefore
efficiently established by status symbols that invoke envy such as a Rolex or a Mercedes. The
peculiar consequence of this is that often, men desire a thing like a Rolex because other men
want one, even up to the point when the object lacks any utility whatsoever other than signaling wealth, which itself is defined as having things that others want. Invidious
distinction is therefore best evidenced through conspicuous consumption, however nearly all
actions that do not have subsistence as their aim are undertaken to gain social standing or
signal social standing by invoking envy.
Thus the quote above could be rewritten to be "The rightist rhetoric turns against
itself as its followers engage in non-subsistence activities" which is kind of dumb. If
the author is prognosticating that the authoritarian new order will turn on itself, it'd be
nice to know have a more substantive explanation than "non-subsistence activities". Moreover,
if the authoritarian new order is to shed it's "shock troops" in exchange for "meritocrats"
it'd be nice to know why. That's my 2 cents, but I'm curious to know what others think of
this curious tale!
The corruption of upwardly mobile middle-class rabble rousers will disillusion their
voluntary followers. Arbitrary police and military repression usually extends to extortion
and intimidation beyond the drug slums to the middle and working-class neighborhoods.
Also, the rise of AI, data mining, and complex algorithms, as well as the proliferation of
electronic devices that record and analyze our private spaces is a pillar of the new order.
Essentially, we are being watched by machines.
People need to reject the material order. Spiritual awakening is the key.
Revolutionaries will find new ways to defeat these technology-based tactics. Dogwhistling,
communication on a personal level (rather than by mass media or the internet), and
old-fashioned tribalism should help. Also, leaderless resistance can play a role. Weaknesses
will be found in the crumbling edifice, and many hands can chisel separately.
Infiltration and sabotage can also be applied.
Possibly unrelated, but maybe thought-provoking:
Consider the man they just arrested for the mail bomb scare. Reportedly, this person was a
career criminal with drug dealing and grand theft on his record and he was caught in
possession of a white van with decals on it depicting his targets. This man is a caricature
of a Trump supporter, ready-made for the cable news broadcast. Does anyone else see the
absurdity of it? Can this guy be for real?
The authoritarian New Order usually begins to decline through 'internal rot' –
uber- profiteering and flagrant abuse of work.
" However sustaining their advance is conditional on dynamic economic growth "
You cannot fool all people all the time.
Our Dutch Rutte governments now for some ten years have told us that the economy is growing,
alas the average Dutchman by now knows that 'there are lies, big lies, and statistics', in
other words, it may well be that the economy is growing, but the average Dutchman does not
see his buying power increased.
On the contrary, those that work have a more or less constant buying power, those that do not
work, for whatever reason: cannot find a job, permanent illness, retired, see quite well how
their material position deteriorates steadily.
The alliance of big globalized business and big Governments is an unbearable burden for most
of the populations. Since the 70`s you have to work more and more and to study more and more for less and
less
I foresee that if this continue in the next 20 years millions and millions of people will
die of marginalization, of hunger , misery and grief .
This is the most important problem governments, and in the wider sense humanity is
encountering.
The pendulum is incessantly swinging from center to right and than reverses from right to
left.
Marx theories are totally one sided and do not solve anything. Extreme swing to the left
brought at start enthusiasm of the working classes and for certain time progress of the
humanity was phenomenal. But in time the progress did stop and population become lethargic
and progress become stagnation leading to depression. Similar thing happens when pendulum is
swinging to the right.
Eventually the purchasing power of the population diminishes to the size when crisis of the
system is inevitable.
Most important task of the governments is to control the economy that the extent of the
swings are small as possible.
@Anon Things seem to have improved in Asia since I first went abroad in 2000. In the US,
on the other hand, life seems to have gotten more and more difficult.
If you had told me in 1993 when I left home that Gen Y of age 30 would live at home and
that entire families of white people would be homeless or that MBA's would have to work in
Bistros at age 25 I would have said you're crazed.
The odd thing in the US is that it is the middle-class seems to have gotten hit the worst.
The white underclass and blacks have always had it hard and poor. Much of the time they
deserve it because they have babies at 19 and don't go to college. But the destruction of the
middle-class whites is quite phenomenal.
It is unbearable for the middle-class. The underclass does not care. Big governments tend
to be corrupt, so money talks. If you live in the ghetto or the trailer park you have no expectations anyhow. You were
not going to be a great citizen anyhow. But for the middle-class things will be shocking.
I doubt that such a thing ever occurred to any substantial degree. "Popular" class
struggles need to be seen for what they are; temporary expedients whereby one set of rulers
uses the populace for their own ends and against their competitors.
Too many people get suckered into supporting "popular" movements and sometimes do gain
temporary benefits, but when their handlers get what they want, the fun and games are over.
The author noted the concept, saying,
Between the end of World War Two and the late 1940's, the popular classes were able to
secure democratic rights, populist reforms and social organization. [but then began]
bullying of traditional allies
No "will be" about it. You noted it in your comment #10 and my observations agree,
But the destruction of the middle-class whites is quite phenomenal.
The assault on the middle class has been taking place for decades and many people have
been feeling it although most apparently still hope for some Messiah, and many of them
apparently think either Hillaryena or the Trumpster was it. Where they get their faith I'll
never know.
@jilles dykstra Same thing in Spain, and in most of western Europe I would say . The macroeconomy is going well for the chosen ones , and the microeconomy is going very bad for
most of the population .
Much of the time they deserve it because they don't go to college.
Wrong.
Schooling in the USA for some time been nothing more than babysitting and brainwashing and
that's by design. Completing college nowadays is mainly for immature, dependent losers
especially since many of them will be burdened with a non-marketable degree and debt for
decades and in any case, the majority will wind up as wage slaves anyway. The way to go now
is to learn a trade, especially one that a person can practice independently and with low
capital, and get to work, but the window for even that seems to be fast closing too.
If one has the talent (rare) sales can still be a good road to relative independence with
no "collitch" needed.
@Jeff Stryker "If you live in the ghetto or the trailer park you have no expectations
anyhow. You were not going to be a great citizen anyhow."
"But for the middle-class things will be shocking."
Spot on, Jeff. I see remnants of the onetime middle class around me. People with a degree or advanced degree, people with
identifiable special skills (accountancy, engineering) who guard their expertise as would a 15th century guild worker, people
with decent table manners...
Then their Fortune 500 company kicks them out of their corporate featherbed, they spend a
year or two or more discovering their specialized skills are worth half of what they'd
thought, and when they land a job, they're expected to cook the books or sign off on dodgy
products, acting as designated corporate fall guys in the event of an investigation.
When I was in university there was no Leftist programming. People were
there to become engineers, IT specialists, doctors, nurses, businessmen, accounting.
You maybe had to take an "African-American studies" course but that was just to get enough
credits to graduate. Also, by the time most people went to college (when I did from 93-98) they were adults
with opinions. Sales is a diminishing field now with the internet.
@jim jones A shrewd observation is my immediate reaction. Most likely true of the
organised institutional left which, when it's old product no longer sells doesn't want to
declare bankruptcy and shut up shop.
"Government exists to spend. The purpose of government is to serve the general welfare of the
citizens, not just the military-industrial complex and the financial class. Didn't we have a
stimulus, oh, eight years ago? It was tiny and has not been entirely spent. As Yellen
implied, we need more spending of the non-military kind (what Barney Frank memorably called
"weaponized Keynesianism" doesn't stimulate)."
This is what has been missing for over 40 years in the US, government's role in the
economy. When any politician brings up the fact that it's time we used fiscal policy as it
was designed, neoliberals have a socialism meltdown. Both parties have been taken over by the
Kochtopus, The libertarian fascist ideology that hides behind the term "neoliberalism". The
ultimate goal of this zombie ideology that was thoroughly discredited in 2008 but continues
to roam the earth is to replace nations with privately owned cities. This experiment was
going on in Honduras, following the 2009 coup, until it was finally ended by a SC ruling that
it was unconstitutional.
"In a libertarian society, there is no commons or public space. There are property
lines, not borders. When it comes to real property and physical movement across such real
property, there are owners, guests, licensees, business invitees and trespassers – not
legal and illegal immigrants." ~ Jeff Deist, president of the Mises Institute
This is the struggle – the struggle to maintain public space on a planet that was
never meant to be owned in the first place.
Consider the man they just arrested for the mail bomb scare. Reportedly, this person was
a career criminal with drug dealing and grand theft on his record and he was caught in
possession of a white van with decals on it depicting his targets. This man is a caricature
of a Trump supporter, ready-made for the cable news broadcast. Does anyone else see the
absurdity of it? Can this guy be for real?
"Breaking Proof of Deep State Hoax!"
"Clapper Talks About Cesar Sayoc Before He's Named as Suspect!"
The Russian Orthodox Church seems to mirror the Russian State whom it serves, in not
being openly at war with Ukraine but nevertheless working against it when doing so serves
the interests of the Russian state. So its priests openly blessing NAF fighters as they go
to kill Ukrainians have been sanctioned, OTOH Girkin was being helped by the Russian
Orthodox Church and NAF fighters have been quietly given refuge in Moscow's churches (a
Brazilian volunteer was found hiding in one on Kiev).
Compared ot Filaret's church, the UOC-MP has been more neutral about the war in Donbass.
The aforementioned priests bless soldiers in their (priests) area who seek such. Not on par
with the comments UOC-MP (Filaret included) have made on the civil war. it can be said that
Filaret and his church pray for those who kill rebel supporters.
The aforementioned Brazilian sough refuge and was understandably given such, seeing the
conditions people like him have faced when taken by the Kiev regime side.
And the Russian patriarch is of course on excellent terms with Putin whom he serves and
whom he awards. So as long as the Ukrainian Orthodox are under Moscow they are forced to
pray to a Patriarch who serves and celebrates Putin. They would rather not be in such a
situation. Moving them under Constantinople fixes this problem and returns them to
Orthodoxy.
Constantinople has made the problem worse by giving the Kiev regime and Filaret a premise
(misguided that it is notwithstanding) to seize UOC-MP property. The Porky-Filaret tandem is
one that many UOC aren't supportive of.
He also added that the priests of the Sviatohirsk Lavra blessed his gang formation in
2014 at the beginning of hostilities in Donbas.
According to him, he then hoped that the entire hierarchy of the Ukrainian Orthodox
Church (Moscow Patriarchate) would overtly support them, but this did not happen.
Currently, Girkin has no doubt that a significant part of the UOC-MP will "run" to the
autocephalous Ukrainian Church, and he even knows such bishops who are ready to do so.
You earlier noted UOC-MP support/sympathy for the rebels. Nothing is stopping Onufry and
others from the UOC-MP to break with the ROC-MP -- along the lines of Filaret. The UOC-MP
faces much pressure from the Kiev regime and some nationalist elements.
Veneration of Andrey Bogolubsky who sacked Kiev, slaughtered many of its inhabitants and
generally treated Kiev as the crusaders treated Constantinople is another ridiculous thing
that Ukrainian Orthodox are forced to put up with if they belong to Moscow's Church.
What kind of veneration ? That attack was part of a civil war, with looting having
been an unfortunate aspect. Sherman wasn't more civil towards Atlanta. neither was the Mongol
conquest of Kiev and other parts of Rus.
Their Church is riddled with KGB and FSB men at the highest levels (not that Filaret was
different, of course). KGB/FSB are not hardcore Russian nationalists. But they, as does the
ROC, serve the Russian state.
Along the lines of saying that the Vatican has been riddled with Nazi sympathizers. No
denying that the ROC-MP was very much compromised during the Soviet period. It's a very
different and improved era.
In comparison, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church seems more riddled with Bandera
supporters.
Well, if it wants to present itself as and truly be the All Rus Church and bearer of the
Rus legacy that united all Eastern Slavs, that was forced to move to Vladimir and Moscow by
the Polish annexation of Rus heartland, it would make sense to return to Kiev after Kiev
was "liberated." But it didn't happen, this all Rus stuff was cheap propaganda, it remained
Russia's Church (despite having gotten a bunch of Ukrainians as leaders in the 18th
century).
The directly above excerpted is cheap propaganda. Capitals of nations, sports teams,
corporate businesses and other entities have been known to change their locale or main locale
for a variety of reasons. Besides, occurrences like WW II and the present Kiev regime
situation indicate that Russia is a more secure place.
BTW, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church shifted its main office from Lviv to Kiev.
Moscow cannot do much, it is still too weak. The enemy seeks a war now. Surely they will
take the churches by force, hoping for war now. Now is the time for wisdom.
I am starting to get annoyed at the number of commentators who have no background in
Orthodox ecclesiology and scant knowledge of Byzantine, Ukrainian and Russian history or
about the contemporary realities of religious life throughout the former Soviet Union.
These pundits nevertheless feel confident to deliver sweeping pronouncements about the
Ukrainian Orthodox Church situation and its ramifications for the Moscow Patriarchate and
the Orthodox Church as a whole.
A point that concerns some of what's said and not said in the above linked article. For
example, it's not noted that Filaret Denisenko's drive for a completely separate Ukrainian
Orthodox Church from the Moscow Patriarchate, came only after he didn't get a promotion
within the Moscow Patriarchate. Up to that point, he was a firm believer in the Moscow
Patriarchate having ties with the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, and Orthodox Churches from some
other parts of the former USSR.
Excerpt –
Finally, there are those Ukrainian Orthodox who argue that Russian Orthodoxy is utterly
separate and unrelated to Ukrainian Orthodoxy and point to events such as Andrey
Bogolyubsky sack of Kiev in 1169 as early evidence of Russian-Ukrainian antagonism. Even
those who might concede that Russian Orthodoxy developed as a result of the conversion of
Kiev would point out that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, certainly since the fifteenth
century was evolving separately from the Russian Orthodox Church and that it was unjustly
merged with the Russian Church, first during the Russian Empire, then the Soviet Union.
Bogolyubsky's grandfather was a grand prince of Kiev. On two different occasions, his
father had that very same title, during a period when Kiev went thru numerous grand princes.
In short, Bogolyubsky had a claim to the Kiev throne. The aforementioned sack of Kiev by
Bogolyubsky's forces wasn't so much of a foreign attack – but more along the lines of
Sherman's razing of Atlanta. Bogolyubsky had the desire to simultaneously build and expand
Rus, thereby explaining his presence in Suzdal, while feeling akin to Kiev.
The initial Polish occupation of much of modern day Ukrainian territory, played a role in
whatever differing characteristics developed, with Orthodox Christian identity within what
had comprised Rus. Upon Russia's victory over Poland and the former's gathering of Rus
territory (which Poland occupied), there was no wide scale opposition by the ancestors of
modern day Ukrainians, with being under the same Orthodox Church as Russia.
For President Vladimir Putin, major defections from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the
Moscow Patriarchate would represent one of the clearest rejections of his view that
Ukrainian and Russians form a single people and civilization; it would, in essence, be
Ukrainians voting with their feet to reject that proposition. On the other hand, if
President Poroshenko's government begins to use administrative pressures to compel priests
and parishes to break their ecclesiastical ties to Moscow, this could prove politically
destabilizing both in Ukraine and complicate its relations with the West.
For the Ukrainian nationalist advocacy being pursued by Poroshenko, the presence of a
Ukrainian Orthodox Church that's loosely affiliated with the Russian Orthodox Church of the
Moscow Patriarchate, is a rejection of the agenda to separate Ukraine from Russia as much as
possible.
Regarding that view is this piece concerning attitudes in Ukraine about Russia:
Stepan Khmara is ashamed almost 50% of his countrymen, despite the war, still positively
have positive attitude towards Russia. He thinks that half of the country are good 'Little
Russians' and 'Moskovske bydlo'. He invokes history from the Holodomor and Soviet takeover
of Western Ukraine. He bemoans the fact that even in Western Ukraine, 31% of the
respondents also had positive attitude towards Russia.
A recent RFE/RL article says that most of Ukraine's Orthodox Christian faithful follow the
Orthodox Church with loose ties to the Moscow Patriarchate.
Whatever the case is, a noticeable number in that area follow that church. Can imagine the
outcry in some circles if an effort was made to eliminate the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
on the basis of having an imperial legacy with Poland that involved the suppression of the
Orthodox Church.
"... It's quite unusual to see such unanimous anti-Saudi reactions from the American political class for the assassination of Mr. Khashoggi – who was just a part-time journalist living in U.S – he was not even an American citizen ..."
"... Oil which is extracted by Fracking method that requires high Oil price above $70 to remain competitive in the global Oil market – by simultaneously sanctioning Iran, Venezuela, and the potential sanction of Saudi Arabia from exporting its Oil, the Trump Administration not only reduces the Global Oil supply which will certainly lead to the rise of Oil price, but also it lowers demand for the US Dollar-Greenback in the global oil market which could lead to subtle but steady devaluation of the US dollar. ..."
"... And perhaps that's what Trump Administration was really aiming for all along; a significant decline of the US Dollar Index and the rise of price of Oil which certainly pleases the American Oil Cartel, though at the expense of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela – all of which are under some form of U.S sanctions. ..."
"... However gruesome, Mr. Khashoggi's assassination is going to be used by the Trump Administration to help the American Oil Cartel by controlling the Saudi Oil output, hence, to raise the price of Oil and to lower demand for US dollar which is the currency of the global Oil trade. ..."
The overplayed drama of Mr. Khashoggi assassination is going to be used by the American Oil
Cartel to control the Saudis Oil output.
It's quite unusual to see such unanimous anti-Saudi reactions from the American
political class for the assassination of Mr. Khashoggi – who was just a part-time
journalist living in U.S – he was not even an American citizen , so, it's quite
unusual because the same political class remained muted about the Saudis involvement with
ISIS, the bombing and starvation of civilians in Yemen and destruction of Syria, and of
course the Saudis involvement in 9/11 terrorist attack in which 3000 American citizens have
perished in New York, in the heart of America.
So, we must be a bit skeptical about the motive of the American Political Class, as this
again could be just about the OIL Business, but this time around the objective is to help the
American Oil producers as opposed to Oil consumers – with 13.8% of the global daily Oil
production, the US has lately become the world top producer of Crude Oil, albeit, an
expensive Oil which is extracted by Fracking method that requires high Oil price above
$70 to remain competitive in the global Oil market – by simultaneously sanctioning
Iran, Venezuela, and the potential sanction of Saudi Arabia from exporting its Oil, the Trump
Administration not only reduces the Global Oil supply which will certainly lead to the rise
of Oil price, but also it lowers demand for the US Dollar-Greenback in the global oil market
which could lead to subtle but steady devaluation of the US dollar.
And perhaps that's what Trump Administration was really aiming for all along; a
significant decline of the US Dollar Index and the rise of price of Oil which certainly
pleases the American Oil Cartel, though at the expense of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela
– all of which are under some form of U.S sanctions.
However gruesome, Mr. Khashoggi's assassination is going to be used by the Trump
Administration to help the American Oil Cartel by controlling the Saudi Oil output, hence, to
raise the price of Oil and to lower demand for US dollar which is the currency of the global
Oil trade.
@Alistair History has its weird twists.
Early in WWII FDR was reported that USA oil would be depleted in thirty years time.
So FDR sent Harold L Ickes to Saudi Arabia,where at the end of 1944 the country was made the
USA's main oil supplier.
FDR entertained the then Saud in early 1945 on the cruiser Quincy, laying in the Bitter Lakes
near the Suez Canal.
This Saud and his entourage had never seen a ship before, in any case had never been on board
such a ship.
In his last speech to Congress, seated, FDR did not follow what had been written for him,
but remarked 'that ten minutes with Saud taught him more about zionism than hundreds of
letters of USA rabbi's.
These words do not seem to be in the official record, but one of the speech writers,
Sherwood, quotes them in his book.
Robert E. Sherwood, 'Roosevelt und Hopkins', 1950, Hamburg (Roosevelt and Hopkins, New York,
1948)
If FDR also said to Congress that he would limit jewish migration to Palestine, do not now
remember, but the intention existed.
A few weeks later FDR died, Sherwood comments on on some curious aspects of FDR's death, such
as that the body was cremated in or near Warm Springs, and that the USA people were never
informed that the coffin going from Warm Springs to Washington just contained an urn with
ashes.
At present the USA does not seem to need Saudi oil.
If this causes the asserted cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Israel ?
@Harris ChandlerNow it has made alliances with Israel and between them the tail wags
the dog
The Saudi Royal family and the governments of Israel have always been in cahoots. They
both despise and fear secular governments that are not under their own control in the Middle
East. Witness the fear and dread of both of them of president Nasser in the 1960′s, for
example.
"... First, all Churches are equal, there is no Pope, no "historical see" granting any primacy just as all the Apostles of Christ and all Orthodox bishops are also equals; ..."
"... Second, crucial decisions, decisions which affect the entire Church, are only taken by a Council of the entire Church, not unilaterally by any one man or any one Church. ..."
"... These are really the basics of what could be called "traditional Christian ecclesiology 101" and the blatant violation of this key ecclesiological dogma by the Papacy in 1054 was as much a cause for the historical schism between East and West (really, between Rome and the rest of Christian world) as was the innovation of the filioque itself. ..."
"... His Most Divine All-Holiness the Archbishop of Constantinople, New Rome, and Ecumenical Patriarch ..."
"... Some point out that the Patriarch of Constantinople is a Turkish civil servant. While technically true, this does not suggest that Erdogan is behind this move either: right now Erdogan badly needs Russia on so many levels that he gains nothing and risks losing a lot by alienating Moscow. ..."
"... No, the real initiator of this entire operation is the AngloZionist Empire and, of course, the Papacy (which has always tried to create an " Orthodoxerein Ukraine" from the "The Eastern Crusade" and "Northern Crusades" of Popes Innocent III and Gregory IX to the Nazi Ukraine of Bandera – see here for details). ..."
"... On a more cynical level, I would note that the Patriarch of Constantinople has now opened a real Pandora's box which now every separatist movement in an Orthodox country will be able to use to demand its own "autocephaly" which will threaten the unity of most Orthodox Churches out there. ..."
"... What the AngloZionist Empire has done is to force each Orthodox Christian and each Orthodox Church to chose between siding with Moscow or Constantinople. This choice will have obvious spiritual consequences, which the Empire couldn't give a damn about, but it will also profound political and social consequences which, I believe, the Empire entirely missed ..."
"... Make no mistake, what the Empire did in the Ukraine constitutes yet another profoundly evil and tragic blow against the long-suffering people of the Ukraine. In its ugliness and tragic consequences, it is quite comparable to the occupation of these lands by the Papacy via its Polish and Lithuanian agents. But God has the ability to turn even the worst horror into something which, in the end, will strengthen His Church. ..."
"... Another reason to hate the Catholic Church:The Catholic Church= Mike Pompeo mentored by Papal Advisor Harvard Law Professor Mary Ann Glendon ..."
My intention today is to look at the unfolding crisis from a more "modern" point of view and
try to evaluate only what the political and social consequences of the latest
developments might be in the short and mid term. I will begin by a short summary.
The current context: a summary
The Patriarchate of Constantinople has taken the official decision to:
Declare that the
Patriarch of Constantinople has the right to unilaterally grant autocephaly (full independence)
to any other Church with no consultations with any the other Orthodox Churches. Cancel the
decision by the Patriarch of Constantinople Dionysios IV in 1686 transferring the Kiev
Metropolia (religious jurisdiction overseen by a Metropolite) to the Moscow Patriarchate (a
decision which no Patriarch of Constantinople contested for three centuries!) Lift the anathema
pronounced against the "Patriarch" Filaret Denisenko by the Moscow Patriarchate (in spite of
the fact that the only authority which can lift an anathema is the one which pronounced it in
the first place) Recognize as legitimate the so-called "Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev
Patriarchate" which it previously had declared as illegitimate and schismatic. Grant actual
grand full autocephaly to a future (and yet to be defined) "united Ukrainian Orthodox Church"
Most people naturally focus on this last element, but this might be a mistake, because while
illegally granting autocephaly to a mix of nationalist pseudo-Churches is most definitely a bad
decision, to act like some kind of "Orthodox Pope" and claim rights which only belong to the
entire Church is truly a historical mistake. Not only that, but this mistake now forces every
Orthodox Christian to either accept this as a fait accompli and submit to the
megalomania of the wannabe Ortho-Pope of the Phanar, or to reject such unilateral and totally
illegal action or to enter into open opposition. And this is not the first time such a
situation has happened in the history of the Church. I will use an historical parallel to make
this point.
The historical context:
The Church of Rome and the rest of the Christian world were already on a collision course
for several centuries before the famous date of 1054 when Rome broke away from the Christian
world. Whereas for centuries Rome had been the most steadfast bastion of resistance against
innovations and heresies, the influence of the Franks in the Church of Rome eventually resulted
(after numerous zig-zags on this topic) in a truly disastrous decision to add a single world (
filioque - "and the son"
in Latin) to the Symbol of Faith (the Credo in Latin). What made that decision even
worse was the fact that the Pope of Rome also declared that he had the right to impose that
addition upon all the other Christian Churches, with no conciliar discussion or approval. It is
often said that the issue of the filioque is "obscure" and largely irrelevant, but that
is just a reflection of the theological illiteracy of those making such statements as, in
reality, the addition of the filioque completely overthrows the most crucial and
important Trinitarian and Christological dogmas of Christianity. But what *is* true is that the
attempt to unilaterally impose this heresy on the rest of the Christian world was at least as
offensive and, really, as sacrilegious as the filioque itself because it undermined the
very nature of the Church. Indeed, the Symbol of Faith defines the Church as "catholic"
(Εἰς μίαν, Ἁγίαν,
Καθολικὴν καὶ
Ἀποστολικὴν
Ἐκκλησίαν") meaning not only "universal" but
also "whole" or "all-inclusive". In ecclesiological terms this "universality" is manifested in
two crucial ways:
First, all Churches are equal, there is no Pope, no "historical see" granting any
primacy just as all the Apostles of Christ and all Orthodox bishops are also equals; the
Head of the Church is Christ Himself, and the Church is His Theadric Body filled with the Holy
Spirit. Oh I know, to say that the Holy Spirit fills the Church is considered absolutely
ridiculous in our 21 st century post-Christian world, but check out these words from
the Book of Acts: " For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us " (Acts
15:28) which clearly show that the members of the Apostolic Council in Jerusalem clearly
believed and proclaimed that their decisions were guided by the Holy Spirit. Anyone still
believing that will immediately see why the Church needs no "vicar of Christ" or any "earthly
representative" to act in Christ's name during His absence. In fact, Christ Himself clearly
told us " lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen " (Matt 28:20).
If a Church needs a "vicar" – then Christ and the Holy Spirit are clearly not present in
that Church. QED.
Second, crucial decisions, decisions which affect the entire Church, are only taken by a
Council of the entire Church, not unilaterally by any one man or any one Church.
These are really the basics of what could be called "traditional Christian ecclesiology
101" and the blatant violation of this key ecclesiological dogma by the Papacy in 1054 was as
much a cause for the historical schism between East and West (really, between Rome and the rest
of Christian world) as was the innovation of the filioque itself.
I hasten to add that while the Popes were the first ones to claim for themselves an
authority only given to the full Church, they were not the only ones (by the way, this is a
very good working definition of the term "Papacy": the attribution to one man of all the
characteristics belonging solely to the entire Church). In the early 20 th century
the Orthodox Churches of Constantinople, Albania, Alexandria, Antioch, Bulgaria, Cyprus,
Greece, Poland, and Romania got together and, under the direct influence of powerful Masonic
lodges, decided to adopt the Gregorian Papal Calendar (named after the 16 th century
Pope Gregory XIII). The year was 1923, when the entire Russian Orthodox Church was being
literally crucified on the modern Golgotha of the Bolshevik regime, but that did not prevent
these Churches from calling their meeting "pan Orthodox". Neither did the fact that the
Russian, Serbian, Georgian, Jerusalem Church and the Holy Mountain (aka " Mount Athos ") rejected this innovation stop
them. As for the Papal Calendar itself, the innovators "piously" re-branded it as "improved
Julian" and other such euphemism to conceal the real intention behind this.
Finally, even the fact that this decision also triggered a wave of divisions
inside their own Churches was not cause for them to reconsider or, even less so,
to repent. Professor C. Troitsky was absolutely correct when he wrote that " there is no doubt that
future historians of the Orthodox Church will be forced to admit that the Congress of 1923 was
the saddest event of Church life in the 20th century " (for more on this tragedy see
here , here and
here ). Here
again, one man, Ecumenical Patriarch Meletius IV (Metaxakis) tried to "play Pope" and his
actions resulted in a massive upheaval which ripped through the entire Orthodox world.
More recently, the Patriarch of Constantinople tried, once again, to convene what he would
want to be an Orthodox "Ecumenical Council" under his personal authority when in 2016 (yet
another) "pan Orthodox" council was convened on the island of Crete which was attended by the
Churches of Alexandria , Jerusalem , Serbia , Romania , Cyprus , Greece, Poland , Albania and
of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. The Churches of Russia, Bulgaria, Georgia and the USA (OCA)
refused to attend. Most observers agreed that the Moscow Patriarchate played a key role in
undermining what was clearly to be a "robber" council which would have introduced major (and
fully non-Orthodox) innovations. The Patriarch of Constantinople never forgave the Russians for
torpedoing his planned "ecumenical" council.
Some might have noticed that a majority of local Churches did attend both the 1923 and the
2016 wannabe "pan Orthodox" councils. Such an observation might be very important in a Latin
or Protestant context, but in the Orthodox context is is absolutely meaningless for the
following reasons:
The theological context:
In the history of the Church there have been many "robber" councils (meaning
illegitimate, false, councils) which were attended by a majority of bishops of the time, and
even a majority of the Churches; in this
article I mentioned the life of Saint Maximos the Confessor (which you can read in full
here ) as a
perfect example of how one single person (not even a priest!) can defend true Christianity
against what could appear at the time as the overwhelming number of bishops representing the
entire Church. But, as always, these false bishops were eventually denounced and the Truth of
Orthodoxy prevailed.
Likewise, at the False Union of Florence, when all the Greek delegates signed the union
with the Latin heretics, and only one bishop refused to to do (Saint Mark of Ephesus), the
Latin Pope declared
in despair " and so we have accomplished nothing! ". He was absolutely correct
– that union was rejected by the "Body" of the Church and the names of those apostates
who signed it will remain in infamy forever. I could multiply the examples, but what is
crucial here is to understand that majorities, large numbers or, even more so, the
support of secular authorities are absolutely meaningless in Christian theology and in the
history of the Church and that, with time, all the lapsed bishops who attended robber
councils are always eventually denounced and the Orthodox truth always proclaimed once again.
It is especially important to keep this in mind during times of persecution or of brutal
interference by secular authorities because even when they *appear* to have won, their
victory is always short-lived.
I would add that the Russian Orthodox Church is not just "one of the many" local Orthodox
Churches. Not only is the Russian Orthodox Church by far the biggest Orthodox Church out there,
but Moscow used to be the so-called "Third Rome", something which gives the Moscow Patriarchate
a lot of prestige and, therefore, influence. In secular terms of prestige and "street cred" the
fact that the Russians did not participate in the 1923 and 2016 congresses is much bigger a
blow to its organizers than if, say, the Romanians had boycotted it. This might not be
important to God or for truly pious Christians, but I assure you that this is absolutely
crucial for the wannabe "Eastern Pope" of the Phanar
Who is really behind this latest attack on the Church?
So let's begin by stating the obvious: for all his lofty titles (" His Most Divine
All-Holiness the Archbishop of Constantinople, New Rome, and Ecumenical Patriarch " no
less!), the Patriarch of Constantinople (well, of the Phanar, really), is nothing but a puppet
in the hands of the AngloZionist Empire. An ambitious and vain puppet for sure, but a puppet
nonetheless. To imagine that the Uber-loser Poroshenko would convince him to pick a major fight
with the Moscow Patriarchate is absolutely laughable and totally ridiculous. Some point out
that the Patriarch of Constantinople is a Turkish civil servant. While technically true, this
does not suggest that Erdogan is behind this move either: right now Erdogan badly needs Russia
on so many levels that he gains nothing and risks losing a lot by alienating Moscow.
No, the real initiator of this entire operation is the AngloZionist Empire and, of
course, the Papacy (which has always tried to create an " Orthodoxerein Ukraine" from
the "The Eastern Crusade" and "Northern Crusades" of Popes Innocent III and Gregory IX to the
Nazi Ukraine of Bandera – see here for
details).
Why would the Empire push for such a move? Here we can find a mix of petty and larger
geostrategic reasons. First, the petty ones: they range from the usual impotent knee-jerk
reflex to do something, anything, to hurt Russia to pleasing of the Ukronazi emigrés in
the USA and Canada. The geostrategic ones range from trying to save the highly unpopular
Ukronazi regime in Kiev to breaking up the Orthodox world thereby weakening Russian soft-power
and influence. This type of "logic" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the Orthodox world
today. Here is why:
The typical level of religious education of Orthodox Christians is probably well represented
by the famous Bell Curve: some are truly completely ignorant, most know a little, and a few
know a lot. As long as things were reasonably peaceful, all these Orthodox Christians could go
about their daily lives and not worry too much about the big picture. This is also true of many
Orthodox Churches and bishops. Most folks like beautiful rites (singing, golden cupolas,
beautiful architecture and historical places) mixed in with a little good old superstition
(place a candle before a business meeting or playing the lottery) – such is human nature
and, alas, most Orthodox Christians are no different, even if their calling is to be "not of
this world". But now this apparently peaceful picture has been severely disrupted by the
actions of the Patriarch of Constantinople whose actions are in such blatant and severe
violation of all the basic canons and traditions of the Church that they literally force each
Orthodox Christian, especially bishops, to break their silence and take a position: am I with
Moscow or with Constantinople?
Oh sure, initially many (most?) Orthodox Christians, including many bishops, will either try
to look away or limit themselves to vapid expressions of "regret" mixed in with calls for
"unity". A good example of that kind of wishy washy lukewarm language can already be found
here . But this kind of Pilate-like washing of hands ("ain't my business" in modern
parlance) is unsustainable, and here is why: in Orthodox ecclesiology you cannot build "broken
Eucharistic triangles". If A is not in communion with B, then C cannot be in communion with A
and B at the same time. It's really an "either or" binary choice. At least in theory (in
reality, such "broken triangles" have existed, most recently between the former ROCA/ROCOR, the
Serbian Church and the Moscow Patriarchate, but they are unsustainable, as events of the
2000-2007 years confirmed for the ROCA/ROCOR). Still, no doubt that some (many?) will try to
remain in communion with both the Moscow Patriarchate and the Constantinople Patriarchate, but
this will become harder and harder with every passing month. In some specific cases, such a
decision will be truly dramatic, I think of the monasteries on the Holy Mountain in particular.
On a more cynical level, I would note that the Patriarch of Constantinople has now
opened a real Pandora's box which now every separatist movement in an Orthodox country will be
able to use to demand its own "autocephaly" which will threaten the unity of most Orthodox
Churches out there. If all it takes to become "autocephalous" is to trigger some kind of
nationalist uprising, then just imagine how many "Churches" will demand the same autocephaly as
the Ukronazis are today! The fact that ethno-phyetism
is a condemned heresy will clearly stop none of them. After all, if it is good enough for
the "Ecumenical" Patriarch, it sure is good enough for any and all pseudo-Orthodox
nationalists!
What the AngloZionist Empire has done is to force each Orthodox Christian and each
Orthodox Church to chose between siding with Moscow or Constantinople. This choice will have
obvious spiritual consequences, which the Empire couldn't give a damn about, but it will also
profound political and social consequences which, I believe, the Empire entirely missed
.
The Moscow Patriarchate vs the Patriarchate of Constantinople – a sociological and
political analysis
Let me be clear here that I am not going to compare and contrast the Moscow Patriarchate
(MP) and the Patriarchate of Constantinople (PC) from a spiritual, theological or even
ecclesiological point of view here. Instead, I will compare and contrast them from a purely
sociological and political point of view. The differences here are truly profound.
Moscow Patriarchate
Patriarchate of Constantinople
Actual size
Very big
Small
Financial means
Very big
Small
Dependence on the support of the Empire and its various entities
Limited
Total
Relations with the Vatican
Limited, mostly due to very strongly
anti-Papist sentiments in the people
Mutual support
and de-facto alliance
Majority member's outlook
Conservative
Modernist
Majority member's level of support
Strong
Lukewarm
Majority member's concern with Church rules/cannons/traditions
Medium and selective
Low
Internal dissent
Practically eliminated (ROCA)
Strong (Holy Mountain, Old Calendarists)
From the above table you can immediately see that the sole comparative 'advantage' of the PC
is that is has the full support of the AngloZionist Empire and the Vatican. On all the other
measures of power, the MP vastly "out-guns" the PC.
Now, inside the Ukronazi occupied Ukraine, that support of the Empire and the Vatican (via
their Uniats) does indeed give a huge advantage to the PC and its Ukronazi pseudo-Orthodox
"Churches". And while Poroshenko has promised that no violence will be used against the MP
parishes in the Ukraine, we all remember that he was the one who promised to stop the war
against the Donbass, so why even pay attention to what he has to say.
US diplomats and analysts might be ignorant enough to believe Poroshenko's promises, but if
that is the case then they are failing to realize that Poroshensko has very little control over
the hardcore Nazi mobs
like the one we saw last Sunday in Kiev . The reality is very different: Poroshenko's
relationship to the hardcore Nazis in the Ukraine is roughly similar to the one the House of
Saud has with the various al-Qaeda affiliates in Saudi Arabia: they try to both appease and
control them, but they end up failing every time. The political agenda in the Ukraine is set by
bona fide Nazis, just as it is set in the KSA by the various al-Qaeda types. Poroshenko
and MBS are just impotent dwarfs trying to ride on the shoulders of much more powerful
devils.
Sadly, and as always, the ones most at risk right now are the simple faithful who will
resist any attempts by the Ukronazi death-squads to seize their churches and expel their
priests. I don't expect a civil war to ensue, not in the usual sense of the world, but I do
expect a lot of atrocities similar to what took place during the 2014 Odessa massacre when the
Ukronazis burned people alive (and shot those trying to escape). Once these massacres begin, it
will be very, very hard for the Empire to whitewash them or blame it all on "Russian
interference". But most crucially, as the (admittedly controversial) Christian writer
Tertullian noticed as far back as the 2 nd century " the blood of the martyrs is
the seed of the Church ". You can be sure that the massacre of innocent Christians in the
Ukraine will result in a strengthening of the Orthodox awareness, not only inside the Ukraine,
but also in the rest of the world, especially among those who are currently "on the fence" so
to speak, between the kind of conservative Orthodoxy proclaimed by the MP and the kind of
lukewarm wishy washy "decaf" pseudo-Orthodoxy embodied by the Patriarchate of Constantinople.
After all, it is one thing to change the Church Calendar or give hugs and kisses to Popes and
quite another to bless Nazi death-squads to persecute Orthodox Christians.
To summarize I would say that by his actions, the Patriarch of Constantinople is now forcing
the entire Orthodox world to make a choice between two very different kind of "Orthodoxies". As
for the Empire, it is committing a major mistake by creating a situation which will further
polarize strongly, an already volatile political situation in the Ukraine.
There is, at least potentially, one more possible consequence from these developments which
is almost never discussed: its impact inside the Moscow Patriarchate.
Possible impact of these developments inside the Moscow Patriarchate
Without going into details, I will just say that the Moscow Patriarchate is a very diverse
entity in which rather different "currents" coexist. In Russian politics I often speak of
Atlantic Integrationists and Eurasian Sovereignists. There is something vaguely similar inside
the MP, but I would use different terms. One camp is what I would call the "pro-Western
Ecumenists" and the other camp the "anti-Western Conservatives". Ever since Putin came to power
the pro-Western Ecumenists have been losing their influence, mostly due to the fact that the
majority of the regular rank and file members of the MP are firmly behind the anti-Western
Conservative movement (bishops, priests, theologians).
The rabid hatred and fear of everything Russian by the West combined with the total support
for anything anti-Russian (including Takfiris and Nazis) has had it's impact here too, and very
few people in Russia want the civilizational model of Conchita Wurst, John McCain or Pope
Francis to influence the future of Russia. The word "ecumenism" has, like the word "democracy",
become a four letter word in Russia with a meaning roughly similar to "sellout" or
"prostitution". What is interesting is that many bishops of the Moscow Patriarchate who, in the
past, were torn between the conservative pressure from their own flock and their own
"ecumenical" and "democratic" inclinations (best embodied by the Patriarch of Constantinople)
have now made a choice for the conservative model (beginning by Patriarch Kirill himself who,
in the past, used to be quite favorable to the so-called "ecumenical dialog of love" with the
Latins).
Now that the MP and the PC have broken the ties which previously united them, they are both
free to pursue their natural inclinations, so to speak. The PC can become some kind of "Eastern
Rite Papacy" and bask in an unhindered love fest with the Empire and the Vatican while the MP
will now have almost no incentive whatsoever to pay attention to future offers of
rapprochement by the Empire or the Vatican (these two
always work hand in hand ). For Russia, this is a very good development.
Make no mistake, what the Empire did in the Ukraine constitutes yet another profoundly
evil and tragic blow against the long-suffering people of the Ukraine. In its ugliness and
tragic consequences, it is quite comparable to the occupation of these lands by the Papacy via
its Polish and Lithuanian agents. But God has the ability to turn even the worst horror into
something which, in the end, will strengthen His Church.
Russia in general, and the Moscow Patriarchate specifically, are very much in a transition
phase on many levels and we cannot overestimate the impact which the West's hostility on all
fronts, including spiritual ones, will have on the future consciousness of the Russian and
Orthodox people. The 1990s were years of total confusion and ignorance, not only for Russia by
the way, but the first decade of the new millennium has turned out to be a most painful, but
also most needed, eye-opener for those who had naively trusted the notion that the West's enemy
was only Communism, not Russia as a civilizational model.
In their infinite ignorance and stupidity, the leaders of the Empire have always acted only
in the immediate short term and they never bothered to think about the mid to long term effects
of their actions. This is as true for Russia as it is for Iraq or the Balkans. When things
eventually, and inevitably, go very wrong, they will be sincerely baffled and wonder how and
why it all went wrong. In the end, as always, they will blame the "other guy".
There is no doubt in my mind that the latest maneuver of the AngloZionist Empire in the
Ukraine will yield some kind of feel-good and short term "victory" ("peremoga" in Ukrainian)
which will be followed by a humiliating defeat ("zrada" in Ukrainian) which will have profound
consequences for many decades to come and which will deeply reshape the current Orthodox world.
In theory, these kinds of operations are supposed to implement the ancient principle of "divide
and rule", but in the modern world what they really do is to further unite the Russian people
against the Empire and, God willing, will unite the Orthodox people against pseudo-Orthodox
bishops.
Conclusion:
In this analysis I have had to describe a lot of, shall we say, "less than inspiring"
realities about the Orthodox Church and I don't want to give the impression that the Church of
Christ is as clueless and impotent as all those denominations, which, over the centuries have
fallen away from the Church. Yes, our times are difficult and tragic, but the Church has not
lost her "salt". So what I want to do in lieu of a personal conclusion is to quote one of the
most enlightened and distinguished theologians of our time, Metropolitan Hierotheos of
Nafpaktos , who in his book "<A
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English about the Orthodox Church and a "must read" for anybody interested in Orthodox
ecclesiology) wrote the following words:
Saint Maximos the Confessor says that, while Christians are divided into categories
according to age and race, nationalities, languages, places and ways of life, studies and
characteristics, and are "distinct from one another and vastly different, all being born into
the Church and reborn and recreated through it in the Spirit" nevertheless "it bestows
equally on all the gift of one divine form and designation, to be Christ's and to bear His
Name. And Saint Basil the Great, referring to the unity of the Church says
characteristically: "The Church of Christ is one, even tough He is called upon from different
places". These passages, and especially the life of the Church, do away with every
nationalistic tendency. It is not, of course, nations and homelands that are abolished, but
nationalism, which is a heresy and a great danger to the Church of Christ.
Metropolitan Hierotheos is absolutely correct. Nationalism, which itself is a pure product
of West European secularism, is one of the most dangerous threats facing the Church today.
During the 20 th century it has already cost the lives of millions of pious and
faithful Christians (having said that, this in no way implies that the kind of suicidal
multiculturalism advocated by the degenerate leaders of the AngloZionist Empire today is any
better!). And this is hardly a "Ukrainian" problem (the Moscow Patriarchate is also deeply
infected by the deadly virus of nationalism). Nationalism and ethno-phyletism are hardly worse
than such heresies as Iconoclasm or Monophysitism/Monothelitism were in the past and those were
eventually defeated. Like all heresies, nationalism will never prevail against the " Church
of the living God " which is the " the pillar and ground of the truth " (1 Tim 3:15)
and while many may lapse, others never will.
In the meantime, the next couple of months will be absolutely crucial. Right now it appears
to me that the majority of the Orthodox Churches will first try to remain neutral but will have
to eventually side with the Moscow Patriarchate and against the actions of Patriarch
Bartholomew. Ironically, the situation inside the USA will most likely be particularly chaotic
as the various Orthodox jurisdictions in the USA have divided loyalties and are often split
along conservative vs modernizing lines. The other place to keep a close eye on will be the
monasteries on the Holy Mountain were I expect a major crisis and confrontation to erupt.
With the crisis in the Ukraine the heresy of nationalism has reached a new level of infamy
and there will most certainly be a very strong reaction to it. The Empire clearly has no idea
what kind of dynamic it has now set in motion.
Same problem with Muslim Ummah. Are we Persian Muslims/Turkish Muslims/Malay Muslims/Arab
Muslims/Kazakh Muslims or just Muslims as One entity?
Accepting The "One" means dilution of the "Many" and accepting the "many" means dilution
of the "one". Man can never escape dialectics or at least strike a right balance except by
the grace of God.
Religion is opium for masses. Whom Sacker is kidding? Those попы care
for nothing but power , influence and money. Church as a whole has nothing to do with highest
power if that power is actually exist. They are mere humans who pull the wool in front of
people's eyes. They are also anything but austere. Check Patriarch Kirill watches and cars.
They do not need Empire to start bikering among themselves for said power and money.
Nationalism, which itself is a pure product of West European secularism, is one of the
most dangerous threats facing the Church today
On the other hand, Christianity, a product of effete idealism, is one of the most
dangerous threats to the survival of the West. Christianity works hand-in-glove with our
stinking governments, providing the moral and spiritual authority for the mass immigration
and Islamization which are destroying Western nations. Christianity could have allied itself
with the people but it chose, instead, to betray us. It is the enemy of the white race. To
the Church, nationalism is a threat. To whites, nationalism is our saviour.
Ultimately the cause of this split of the Orthodox Church is Satan. And of course Satan's
loyal servants running the AngloZionist Empire. Catholic writer E. Michael Jones does a great
job explaining the real forces at play in the modern world (in his books and talks- see video
below).
The Catholic Pope is obviously a filthy, stinking, homosexual pig-as are his Cardinals. I was
born and raised Irish Catholic. Catholic Schools all the way. The Protestant Churches no
better. Deep South Evangelical Christianity is a Cargo Cult that worships a Jewish State.
As for the Papal Calendar itself, the innovators "piously" re-branded it as "improved
Julian" and other such euphemism to conceal the real intention behind this.
Russia finally changed to use of the Julian calendar to be in line with the European
practice (alas, too late) just as Europe was changing from the Julian to the Gregorian
calendar. If the ROC places such importance on the calendar, why won't it revert to following
the calendar in use prior to Peter I's reforms of 1700, the year he forced the Julian
calendar on Russia (with not even one full month's notice)?
Another reason to hate the Catholic Church:The Catholic Church= Mike Pompeo mentored by
Papal Advisor Harvard Law Professor Mary Ann Glendon .
Pompeo the Cockroach .as it .(Mike Pompeo is an it, as is that other well known BLATARIA
.Hillary Clinton) .is known to the residents of Satan's filthy stinking reeking toilet bowl
waaaaaaaaay down in putrid HELL!!!!!!!
Don't mind the split infinitive they are really quite alright .only a girly boy grammar
NAZI!!! would shriek about it ..
Guitar masses in Cathedral of Christ the Saviour or bust.
On another note, while the historical claim to Ukraine by Moscow is not really at
questions, the Ukrainians certainly had cause to turn to Germany in WWII, given that the
alternative was the Reds. Their side of this tale is always painted as neo-facism, which
their actions in 2014 certainly did not help, but I do have to wonder about their story in
this tale, independent of their horrific and despicable Western backers.
@Johnny Rottenborough Yeah. It's amazing how the West has survived almost two millennia
of Christian domination. How did those effete Christians manage to convert the heathen
tribes, turn back the Muslims, then colonize and convert over half the world? How did modern
science and technology arise and evolve to such heights in a Christian context? Christians
are such pansies, it's odd that so many of them have so many children.. How do they manage to
prosper and survive? Inexplicable.
@fitzhamilton fitzhamilton -- Yesterday's achievements are undeniable. Equally, today's
betrayal is undeniable. At some point during the last century, Christianity turned against
the white race.
Wow what an amazing article the detail that Saker brings to this subject is breathtaking. I
had to scramble for the dictionary to find out that 'Phyletism' or 'ethnophyletism'
[from the Greek ethnos 'nation' and phyletismos 'tribalism'] is the conflation between Church
and nation [sounds bad...]
'Monophysitism' the apparently wrong belief among some that 'Christ' has a single
[mono] nature as opposed to the 'correct' interpretation of his divine and human duality
[again, very bad...]
So I heaved a sigh of relief when the author noted that these and other heresies [such as
iconoclasm...ie the breaking of icons] were eventually 'defeated' [WHEW]
And who could forget the Battle of the Calendars
'In the early 20th century the Orthodox Churches of Constantinople, Albania, Alexandria,
Antioch, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Poland, and Romania got together and, under the direct
influence of powerful Masonic lodges, decided to adopt the Gregorian Papal Calendar (named
after the 16th century Pope Gregory XIII).
I'm sure the Saker will be relieved to know that despite this temporary setback, the
Julian Calendar [after Julius Ceasar] did eventually prevail as well being today the
universal calendar of astronomy, science, the military, and software coding heck even GPS
uses it see the Julian
Day
[Once again, the forces of the Redeemer prevail]
And then of course we have the centuries of intrigue and betrayals all those treacherous
'robber councils' etc it is perhaps worth mentioning also the original such apostolic act of
denial, and
eventually repentance that of St Peter
First, the petty ones: they range from the usual impotent knee-jerk reflex to do
something, anything, to hurt Russia to pleasing of the Ukronazi emigrés in the USA
and Canada.
That is true.
Canada : Celebrating Nazis Is Wrong. Period.
"On Sunday, April 22, on the eve of the G7 Summit in Toronto, Freeland hosted a brunch in
her private home. In attendance that day were all the Foreign Ministers from the G7
countries, with a plus one in the form of Pavlo Klimkin, Foreign Minister of Ukraine. No,
Ukraine is definitely not a member of the G7, but Freeland wanted Klimkin front and center to
make sure he put the ongoing crisis in Ukraine at the top of the G7 Summit agenda.
That's all well and good, as a lit powder keg such as Ukraine in the middle of Europe,
polarized between NATO and nuclear-armed Russia is certainly a global concern. Freeland has
also never denied the fact that she is proud of her Ukrainian-Canadian roots."
"Eduard Dolinsky, director of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee told the Times of Israel that
this Nazi parade was "a scandalous event that should not be allowed to happen in Ukraine in
which murderers of Jews and others are glorified."
Andrew Srulevitch, director of European Affairs at the Anti-Defamation league wrote on
Twitter, "Ukrainian leaders need to condemn such marches, where Ukrainian extremists
celebrate Ukrainian Nazi SS divisions (1st Galician), giving Nazi salutes in uniform in the
middle of a major Ukrainian city."
"Little bitch for the devil" would seem to describe Catholic priests these days, not ol'
WBM.
Haha, you're so adorable. Such a loyal hasbara of the Christ-hating oligarchs pushing the
anti-Catholic bullshit narrative. Prof. Philip Jenkins/Baylor U./John Jay College/et al. have
done all kind of studies and analysis and have shown that the rates of sexual
predation/predators is proportionally lower among Catholic clergy than in public education
and even among Protestant denominations. But since these entities are loyal to the oligarchs
and the AngloZionist Empire you'll never see them targeted with this kind of bullshit
propaganda. Not that that matters to you, RadicalCenter. Now go off and post shit about how
Assad is a monster who gasses his own people and the U.S. is in Syria only to fight ISIS.
I'm from Russia and here is my prediction: there will be no "religious conflict" in the
Ukraine. Instead, churches belonging to ROC will be one by one expropriated by Ukrainian
regime. The locals are powerless bydlo , and will do as they are told. They would
embrace Satanic church, if this is what the authorities told them to. Authority in the
Ukraine is derived from violence, not faith.
Somebody(s) in the State Dept, CIA, MI6, Mossad got to Bartholomew. Ultimate object in
splitting Ukraine Church is to divide the country and bring it or most of it into NATO. This
scheme is so diabolical as to be the work of Antichrist. Natoization of Ukraine could easily
result in WWIII. God have mercy on us all. Спаси и
сохрани.
Interesting article – vital information! Can anyone possibly imagine the MSM or even
so-called conservative outlets giving any degree of clear discussion of what is happening in
the Orthodox Church? Personally, I think the real issue among denominations is learning and
understanding the Biblical languages, translating to the modern tongues. The over-use of
Latin (instead of Greek, Hebrew) led the Bishops of Rome to some regrettable mis-steps.
For Western Christians who care about the Holy Word, this site is encouraging for
Christians who are disgusted with the cucks and diversity cultists taking over their
denominations (i.e., Russell Moore in the SBC, etc): Faith and Heritage dot com
@A. -H. LOL
This is how lying Jews & their neo-Marxist shills try to win all arguments. said: "Eduard
Dolinsky, director of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee told the Times of Israel that this Nazi
parade was "a scandalous event that should not be allowed to happen in Ukraine in which
murderers of Jews and others are glorified." Andrew Srulevitch, director of European Affairs
at the Anti-Defamation league wrote on Twitter, "Ukrainian leaders need to condemn such
marches, where Ukrainian extremists celebrate Ukrainian Nazi SS divisions (1st Galician),
giving Nazi salutes in uniform in the middle of a major Ukrainian city." "
" most Orthodox Churches are still used as pawns in purely political machinations "
Who is the pawn of whom is open for discussion. When reading these words I remember seeing
Putin in an orthodox church, in a ceremony showing his respect for the church, not looking
very happy. Religions have tremendous impacts, as we saw in 1979, when the Islam was able to
drive away the USA's puppet shah from Iran. The USA is still fighting the consequences.
@A. -H. " as a lit powder keg such as Ukraine in the middle of Europe, polarized between
NATO and nuclear-armed Russia "
Deliberately created by the EU, with NATO support, I suppose. Redundant organizations seek
new goals.
@jilles dykstra They rang Putin up and asked if he could please invade Ukraine to give
them an excuse for tax payers. Weirdly enough, Ukraine was Clinton's obsession and not
Trump's. She became particularly obsessed with Russians, for some reason, following the
election.
@byrresheim If Russians are to be blamed for Holodomor, who is to be blamed for Red
Terror and 1921-1922 Russia famine, which was worse than Holodomor?
@Seraphim Christianity is universalist/globalist according to the L'
Internationale Jew who started it.
• Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . Matthew 28:19
• Proclaimed in his name to all nations . Luke 24:47
• For Jewgod so loved the whole universe [kosmos] that the universe [kosmos]
might be saved through Jewgod. John 3:16-17
Tribalism is close-family nationalism. Natal, the root word of nation, means related by
birth. If you're against people liking to associate politically their birth-related kin,
you're bellyaching at the wrong website.
@War for Blair Mountain You ask, "Why does the Working Class Native Born White
American population of the American South worship Israel and Jews in general?"
Because the book they're carrying into church today and pounding into their kids' heads
states:
• John 4:22 " We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the
Jews ."
• Acts 3:25 "He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be
blessed.'"
• Romans 1:16 "The Jew first."
• Romans 9:4 "The people of Israel, chosen."
• Romans 15:27 "For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews' spiritual blessings, they
owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings."
• Philippians 3:3 "For it is we [Christians] who are the Circumcision."
• Philippians 3:20 "But our citizenship is in Jewheaven." (which is the Israeli capital
city Jerusalem, Rev. 21:2)
Yet some of these Jew-worhipers still have the chutzpah to allege that "there is no
"Judeo-Christianity," apparently because the exact terminology judeo-christian isn't
found in the Jew Testament. Believing that only a Jewish Rabbi can save a white man from
being a bad, bad boy worthy of a roasting in hell by a Jewgod has consequences.
@Jeff Stryker Nuland is the one who rang up and asked if the US could please invade
Ukraine with Banderite genocidal crazies. Nuland's taking of Ukraine with a few bags of
cookies was the greatest bargain since the Native Americans sold Manhattan for trinkets,
worth 24$, to Dutch. A few decades later, the Dutch themselves made a huge mistake by giving
away New York to the British.
Here is the video of Ms. Nuland's call, that may lead to WIII. Is she a new Helen of Troy
that launched a thousand ships. She also states the lovely phrase F ** k the EU at the end of
the coup talk. Lovely century we live in. Where is the peace and love that we were promised
in 1960s, 1970s?
Unfortunately Saker's attack upon the Filioque plays right into the hands of the
oligarchy's drive to destroy mankind by denying man's abilities and potential as a being made
in the image of God.
It is Lyndon LaRouche and associates who correctly identify the Filioque as essential in
the flowering of the Renaissance and the rise of the Nation-State, of that Platonic Christian
Republican revival based upon the dignity of humanity.
A book review on why the Eastern Churches deny the Filioque, to which the question might
be asked- Is the Saker an adherent to the Moscow as the Third Rome prophecy?
The following essay situates the Filioque as relevant to the defense of Christianity, of
Western Civilization in struggles similar to what we are experiencing today, as basically the
same operations are being run.
Metropolitan Hierotheos is absolutely correct. Nationalism, which itself is a pure
product of West European secularism,
Its not. Christianity is't even 2,000 year old, and has as its core a foreign mythology
(hence its gravity toward anti-nationalism). Nationalism is as old as civilization.
is one of the most dangerous threats facing the Church today.
So? Who said that the Church takes precedent over civilization and tribe? Who says that is
the greater good?
From where I sit, our nations are now moral and demographic hellholes and the Church
played no small role in opening the door to that situation. Where is the Church's evidence of
a net good outcome?
If the Church wanted to assure its survival, then it needed to facilitate holiness on
Earth via promulgation of a morality that successfully defended that state of man.
At the moment, we have the opposite of that and that isn't because we didn't or don't have
enough Church. The pre-Christians would have never allowed things to progress to this state
out of spiritual pressure to be weak in the face of those who hate us and are incompatible
with civilization.That path was the path of the Church.
During the 20th century it has already cost the lives of millions of pious and faithful
Christians
Okay, Jew-commie apologist. Laying the results of the 20th century on those that rose to
defend the world from who you cite below both insults the intelligence of your readers and
reduces the integrity of your total argument.
(having said that, this in no way implies that the kind of suicidal multiculturalism
advocated by the degenerate leaders of the AngloZionist Empire today is any better!).
You will have one or the other. No middle ground is possible. If you say its possible and
reduce nationalism but fail to defend against the communists, then you are their tool. Also,
I don't see any visible Anglo power. Only Jewish power.
And this is hardly a "Ukrainian" problem (the Moscow Patriarchate is also deeply
infected by the deadly virus of nationalism).
You've yet to describe how nationalism is a deadly virus. In response to my claim, I
suspect another round of vague logic and accusations that omit history.
Like all heresies, nationalism will never prevail against the "Church of the living
God"
It seems misplaced for the Church to outlaw a specific political stance when it provides
no defense against (and even facilitates) its antipode. If the church involves itself in life
and death politics, then it must accept the consequences. Period. It would better serve God
and the nations by remaining neutral. That it has not done that, an fights more zealously
against nationalism, reveals its actual use.
Second, you have no idea what the words mean that you use. You put on the air of a
knowledgeable armchair theologian, but have restricted yourself to Christian dogma and myth
that has always used occluded language. You have no idea what the phrase "living God" means.
You take florid sounding language and use it as a rhetorical device. What I know about the
"living god" is that he dies as a matter of course. This occurs after his maturity. You will
see this again, the unholy growth will stop, and holiness will return to the world.
which is the "the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15) and while many may lapse,
others never will.
"Never" isn't an oft used concept in Christianity. In fact, the Bible is a tale of cycles.
While your current political ideology is moral and spiritual poison, perhaps you can be saved
and so I'm kindly warning you to be prepared for them.
Whoever said that religion is opium for the masses was onto something. Although, the
Ukrainians looked intoxicated even without this latest controversy over religion. They
believe that the west is in love with them. Let me clear something for them: The west (its
elites) are not in the business of love. They are in the business of using people. The
western elites don't love even their own people, let alone the Ukrainians.
This is the current school of "thought" of the western elites: To love your own kind is
racist. To pretend to love every other kind is pinnacle of humanism. Or as I like to call it
– degeneracy.
The truth is, the western elites don't love anybody except themselves They are just too
stupid to realize that they are unsustainable by themselves. If they destroy their base of
people like them – they are done. All their money wouldn't be able to buy them a ticket
on the newest Elon Musk rocket headed to another inhabitable planet and away from the
wretched earth that they in their stupidity destroyed.
@Art That's a flowery synopsis of Christianity that, while popular among Jew-worshipers,
doesn't square with what the Jewsus character actually said.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:34
Ludgwig von Mises summed up Christianity much more accurately.
[Jesus] rejects everything that exists without offering anything to replace it. He
arrives at dissolving all existing social ties . The motive force behind the purity and
power of this complete negation is ecstatic inspiration and enthusiastic hope of a new
world. Hence his passionate attack upon everything that exists. Everything may be destroyed
because God in His omnipotence will rebuild the future order . The clearest modern parallel
to the attitude of complete negation of primitive Christianity is Bolshevism. The
Bolshevists, too, wish to destroy everything that exists because they regard it as
hopelessly bad.
(Socialism, p. 413)
Think Peace? You got Jesus wrong, and he explicitly stated so.
Obama was a neocon, Trump is a neocon. what's new ?
Chinese leaders appeared to be acting on the advice of the 6th century BC philosopher and general Sun Tzu, who wrote in The Art
of War, "there is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare."
Candidate Trump railed against the invasion of Iraq during his campaign, at one point blaming George W. Bush directly and saying,
"we should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized the Middle East." As president-elect, Trump continued to promise a very
different foreign policy, one that would "stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn't be
involved with."
The election of Donald Trump gave the international community pause: Trump appeared unpredictable, eschewed tradition, and flouted
convention. He might well have followed through on his promise to move the U.S. away from its long embrace of forever war. China's
government in particular must have worried about such a move. If the U.S. focused on its internal problems and instead pursued a
restrained foreign policy that was constructive rather than destructive, it might pose more of an impediment to China's rise to global
power status.
But the Chinese need not have worried. With a continued troop presence in Afghanistan and Syria, a looming conflict with Iran,
and even talk of an intervention in Venezuela, Trump is keeping the U.S. on its perpetual wartime footing.
This is good news for Beijing, whose own foreign policy could not be more different. Rather than embracing a reactive and short-sighted
approach that all too often ignores second- and third-order consequences, the Chinese strategy appears cautious and long-ranging.
Its policymakers and technocrats think and plan in terms of decades, not months. And those plans, for now, are focused more on building
than bombing.
This is not to say that China's foreign policy is altruistic-it is certainly not. It is designed to cement China's role as a great
power by ensnaring as many countries as possible in its economic web. China is playing the long game while Washington expends resources
and global political capital on wars it cannot win. America's devotion to intervention is sowing the seeds of its own demise and
China will be the chief beneficiary.
"We're not going to let them violate a nuclear agreement," Trump said Saturday after a campaign rally in Elko, Nevada. "We're
going to terminate the agreement."
"... it's quite unusual to see such unanimous anti-Saudi reactions from the American political class for the assassination of Mr. Khashoggi – who was just a part-time journalist living in U.S – he was not even an American citizen ..."
"... So, it's quite unusual because the same political class remained muted about the Saudis involvement with ISIS, the bombing and starvation of civilians in Yemen and destruction of Syria, and of course the Saudis involvement in 9/11 terrorist attack in which 3000 American citizens have perished in New York, in the heart of America ..."
"... However gruesome, Mr. Khashoggi's assassination is going to be used by the Trump Administration to help the American Oil Cartel by controlling the Saudi Oil output, hence, to raise the price of Oil and to lower demand for US dollar which is the currency of the global Oil trade. ..."
"... The seemingly well-connected news outlet Voltairenet claims that there has been a plot against MbS and that Khashoggi was involved in it. ..."
"... It fares a atrocial war on Yemen, shits on international laws and regulations, just like Israel, Why would they not murder a juorno entering their land? Now this juorno was a man revealing in practices done by head choppers, so I will not cry much. It just shows these people are savages, all of them. What should be done ? You judge. ..."
"... I've read on Zerohedge that Khashoggi was on the verge of publishing an article about the Saudi's and CIA's involvement in 9/11, specifically about his former boss Turki al-Faisal, who ran Saudi intelligence for 23 years then abruptly resigned 10 days before 9/11 without giving any reason. ..."
"... Kashiggi's not a reformer. He's hard core Muslim Brotherhood ..."
The overplayed drama of Mr. Khashoggi assassination is going to be used by the American Oil
Cartel to control the Saudis Oil output.
it's quite unusual to see such unanimous anti-Saudi reactions from the American political
class for the assassination of Mr. Khashoggi – who was just a part-time journalist
living in U.S – he was not even an American citizen.
So, it's quite unusual because the
same political class remained muted about the Saudis involvement with ISIS, the bombing and
starvation of civilians in Yemen and destruction of Syria, and of course the Saudis
involvement in 9/11 terrorist attack in which 3000 American citizens have perished in New
York, in the heart of America.
So, we must be a bit skeptical about the motive of the American Political Class, as this
again could be just about the OIL Business, but this time around the objective is to help the
American Oil producers as opposed to Oil consumers – with 13.8% of the global daily Oil
production, the US has lately become the world top producer of Crude Oil, albeit, an
expensive Oil which is extracted by Fracking method that requires high Oil price above $70 to
remain competitive in the global Oil market – by simultaneously sanctioning Iran,
Venezuela, and the potential sanction of Saudi Arabia from exporting its Oil, the Trump
Administration not only reduces the Global Oil supply which will certainly lead to the rise
of Oil price, but also it lowers demand for the US Dollar-Greenback in the global oil market
which could lead to subtle but steady devaluation of the US dollar.
And perhaps that's what
Trump Administration was really aiming for all along; a significant decline of the US Dollar
Index and the rise of price of Oil which certainly pleases the American Oil Cartel, though at
the expense of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela – all of which are under some form of US sanctions.
However gruesome, Mr. Khashoggi's assassination is going to be used by the Trump
Administration to help the American Oil Cartel by controlling the Saudi Oil output, hence, to
raise the price of Oil and to lower demand for US dollar which is the currency of the global
Oil trade.
This seems to explain the motive to kill him. A few mildly critical articles by
Khashoggi's pen scarcely seem to be sufficient for such a high-profile murder, even if we
take into account that MbS appears to be impulsive and little capable of thinking ahead.
First of all, when has the death of a journalist made any difference in the relations between
countries? Why act like it should now?
Second, Khashoggi was not simply a journalist -- he was a member of the Saudi elite, an
Intelligence officer, and an activist for the Muslim Brotherhood (the Die Welt article
established that).
Third, the real question is how this story came out, and why it has come out as it has
("journalist murdered by police state agents"). Turkey pushed this story out into the open.
Apparently a calculation that the crown prince is losing ground, and an effort (perhaps
assisted by bribes) to align the AK party with the crown prince's enemies in Saudi.
It fares a atrocial war on Yemen, shits on international laws and regulations, just like
Israel, Why would they not murder a juorno entering their land?
Now this juorno was a man revealing in practices done by head choppers, so I will not cry
much.
It just shows these people are savages, all of them.
What should be done ? You judge.
It seems quite curious why MBS would go through such trouble to waste a guy whose only crime
was writing a few low key disparaging articles about him that nobody read. Maybe there's more
to this story than meets the eye.
I've read on Zerohedge that Khashoggi was on the verge of publishing an article about the
Saudi's and CIA's involvement in 9/11, specifically about his former boss Turki al-Faisal,
who ran Saudi intelligence for 23 years then abruptly resigned 10 days before 9/11 without
giving any reason. The rumor was he knew about the attack as did CIA, but Saudis and CIA
decided not to do anything to use it as pretext to start the "war on terror" and bring down
Saddam Hussein. Personally I find that a little far fetched but you never know when it comes
to the CIA.
The murder of d'Enghien had no effect on the French Revolution, other countries reactions to
the revolution and the subsequent revolutionary and Napoleonic wars. In fact, most of the
liberal pro French Revolution historians consider the execution as necessary and moral as the
execution of other anti revolutionaries
Koshoggi's murder won't make a bit of difference either once the blame Trump media blast
blows over. The Turkish police appear to be doing a good job. They've arrested 18 people involved. At least the moralist pundits won't be punditing and pontificating about Kavanaugh for a
few days. Kashiggi's not a reformer. He's hard core Muslim Brotherhood
That the Saudi regime commits murders does not surprise me, but getting caught not just with
murder, but also with torture, indeed an unbelievable stupidity.
Why torture the man ?
But what also baffles me is that the journalist wrote for Washpost, a friend of Israel.
That Netanyahu and the Saudi regime cooperate to attack Iran, it is asserted by many, and it
sems quite probable to me.
A technical question, can indeed a smartwatch do what it is supposed to have done ?
If so, then the torturers and murderers are even more stupid, I let the moral issue
undiscussed, than one can imagine.
Then there is the assertion, in cases like this one never knows what the facts are, that the
journalist's girl friend waited outside.
Did he expect trouble ?
Did he ask her to record the trouble ?
Did not the consulate security see her ?
A final remark, what now is the difference in cruelty between IS and the USA's ally ?
Early in WWII FDR was reported that USA oil would be depleted in thirty years time.
So FDR sent Harold L Ickes to Saudi Arabia,where at the end of 1944 the country was made the
USA's main oil supplier.
FDR entertained the then Saud in early 1945 on the cruiser Quincy, laying in the Bitter Lakes
near the Suez Canal.
This Saud and his entourage had never seen a ship before, in any case had never been on board
such a ship.
In his last speech to Congress, seated, FDR did not follow what had been written for him,
but remarked 'that ten minutes with Saud taught him more about zionism than hundreds of
letters of USA rabbi's.
These words do not seem to be in the official record, but one of the speech writers,
Sherwood, quotes them in his book.
Robert E. Sherwood, 'Roosevelt und Hopkins', 1950, Hamburg (Roosevelt and Hopkins, New York,
1948)
If FDR also said to Congress that he would limit jewish migration to Palestine, do not now
remember, but the intention existed.
A few weeks later FDR died, Sherwood comments on on some curious aspects of FDR's death, such
as that the body was cremated in or near Warm Springs, and that the USA people were never
informed that the coffin going from Warm Springs to Washington just contained an urn with
ashes. At present the USA does not seem to need Saudi oil.
If this causes the asserted cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Israel ?
@Harris ChandlerNow it has made alliances with Israel and between them the tail wags
the dog
The Saudi Royal family and the governments of Israel have always been in cahoots. They
both despise and fear secular governments that are not under their own control in the Middle
East. Witness the fear and dread of both of them of president Nasser in the 1960′s, for
example.
The US establishment, 'liberal' or not, just fake an outcry to soften the image of 100′s
of 1000′s of yemenis, iraqis, libyan.. war casualties they are wholly or partly
responsible for. Khashoggi's death is no more brutal than that of Gaddafi. What's the big
deal ?
Whether Khashoggi is an islamist or not is very minor.
(Sunni) Islam is basically a caravan of arab tribal or civilizational power and the house of
Saud just rides this vehicle or caravan to siphon off the oil wealth.
The house of Saud, said to be Jewish in origin, have the option to migrate en mass to Israel
or French Riviera, with their swiss/US/caribbean offshore accounts during time of crisis or
after new forms of energy resource displace oil
Equally important, the Saudis and Emiratis are now closely allied to Israel's far right
government. Israel has been a door-opener for the Saudis and Gulf Emirates in Washington's
political circles. The Israel lobby is riding to the Saudi's defense .
The Israelis are defending Old Saudi (pre MBS) -- not the New MBS/Kushner fix Palestine
cabal. The last thing Israel wants is a defined Israeli border recognized by the world. The sycophant Israeli backing Senators in congress (Graham et al) are all backing Israel
by condemning MBS and calling for his head.
@FKA Max Thanks for the excellent Real News Network interview with someone I hadn't heard
about (As'ad AbuKhalil) who has followed the career of Khashoggi for years.
It seems that Khashoggi was lately different things to different people – one voice
in English at the Washington Post following the Israeli line, and another in Arabic and the
Arab media supporting the Palestinians and the Moslem Brotherhood.
Over the long term he was a propagandist for the rule of the Saudi princes, and his
problem seemed to be his too close connection to the wrong ones, while they were overthrown
by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS). There's the suggestion of a plot against MbS where
he may have been involved.
So why are the Israelis, their MSM and their AIPAC congressmen making such a big thing out
of it? Isn't MbS their friend? And why should they care about the assassination of a
pro-Palestinian journalist?
Maybe they've a better knowledge of the forces at play in Saudi Arabia, and concluded that
MbS was too much of a risk (too isolated and independent – e.g. talking with the
Chinese about a Petro/Yuan). Maybe they decided to Regime Change MbS in a usual Israeli/US
Deep State operation with Khashoggi at the centre (the duplicitous sort of character that
they favor) – with the outrage at MbS unexpectedly striking back. It was in fact MbS'
team of bodyguards who arrived in Istanbul. And it would account for the Deep State anger at
having one of its chief conspirators murdered.
The back story has to be that the US/Israel want control of both Saudi and Iranian oil
priced in US Dollars and they'll go with anyone who can give that outcome (currently not
MbS). Or they invade Saudi Arabia Eastern Province on some pretext or other and just take the
oil directly.
I'm surprised that the Saudis didn't ask the Israelis, who are very good at
assassination and kidnapping, to go after Khashoggi.
They probably did, but Israel is gearing up to invade Gaza AGAIN, and that takes time and
resources that they couldn't afford to let go and do some free-lancing in the Murder Inc
Department.
But Blessed are the War Mongers or something, as that oh-so devout Christian, Pat
Robertson, is against holding KSA accountable:
Prominent evangelical leader on Khashoggi crisis: let's not risk "$100 billion worth
of arms sales"
Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network, appeared on its flagship
television show The 700 Club on Monday to caution Americans against allowing the United
States' relationship with Saudi Arabia to deteriorate over Khashoggi's death.
"For those who are screaming blood for the Saudis -- look, these people are key allies,"
Robertson said. While he called the faith of the Wahabists -- the hardline Islamist sect to
which the Saudi Royal Family belongs -- "obnoxious," he urged viewers to remember that
"we've got an arms deal that everybody wanted a piece of it'll be a lot of jobs, a lot of
money come to our coffers. It's not something you want to blow up willy-nilly."
Did Robertson take all of that loot he made from smuggling blood diamonds out of
Africa–using his charity as a front–and invest in the defense industry?
If Pat is headed to Heaven after he expires, then send me to the other place, as I have
no desire to be stuck with hypocrites for all eternity.
"Error" ? "Mistake" ? These people (the KSA) are fucking "stupid" .
Now they're saying he died in a "fist fight" in the consulate !
A 13 year old street criminal would know that that excuse is an admission of guilt. These
guys shouldn't be allowed to run a model railroad.
On television in 1988, Donald Trump said he had bought a
US $200 million 85-metre-long yacht ,'The Nabila', from billionaire arms dealer Adnan
Khashoggi, uncle of just-murdered-in-Istanbul journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The yacht was named
after Adnan Khashoggi's daughter. Trump later sold the yacht to Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin
Talal.
Donald Trump talking about the boat and arms dealers like Khashoggi – "not the
nicest guys in the world"
Beckow says:
October 18, 2018 at 1:47 pm GMT 400
Words @Anon 2 You are right that
Central Europe – or more precisely Eastern Central Europe that includes Austria and parts of Germany – has been blesses with a rare
combination of good (great!) geography, enough resources, high quality demographics, good location and weather, fantastic infrastructure
and a relatively normal history. Western countries have suffered from a combination of imperial overreach and the inevitable blowback.
Westerners have also lost the due diligence habits that make civilizations last. They often seem lazy and unserious.
To the east the lawlessness of the open spaces, harsh weather, and the frequent exposures to the nihilistic Asiatic exotica, have
delayed the development of a viable, stable and pleasant way of life. They might get there eventually and I wish them all the best.
Russia has a lot of fundamentals going for it, but it is also possible that the mistakes of the past – and the pathological hatreds
Russia has engendered among the Western and other imperial crazies – will strike again. It is big and tempting.
The endless attempts to slice the borders of Russia, to shrink it as Brzezinski openly dreamt about, are a foolish thing that
might bury us all. A compulsion of obsessive map readers. Russia is at its most destabilising when it is weak. That's when the temptations
become too much and some nutcase – or a 'council' of idiots – push and push. Unfortunately for the imperial builders in the West
they missed their window of opportunity and they don't seem capable of admitting it. We get ' religious schisms ' just to
make sure that no stone remains unturned. It will amount to nothing. They will have to wait for the next dip, there always seems
to be one in the ennui filled steppes.
Central Europe (V4+) is about to take over as the most desirable place on the planet. That's why we are seeing the Western attacks
on it about some very basic and sound ideas like having borders, homogeneous populations, freedom of speech and peace with neighbours,
from the rapidly disintegrating Western world. West cannot stand to live with the mistakes they have made, they want to create a
multi-racial, neo-liberal, war mongering cataclysm in order to hide the painful truth of they have done. The demographic suicide
of the West is probably irreversible. Macron and Merkel can prance around and preach their silly slogans, but they cannot change
the numbers of the ground.
They can still convince some elderly Greek in Istanbul to pour more oil on the fire. What that shows is desperation; if all West
has left are these self-defeating intrigues, they don't have much.
This months gas tariff for "Ukrainians" increases by 24%!!
The context is that Ukrainian consumers have the lowest gas rate in Europe. Moldovan
households pay more for gas than do Ukrainian ones. Even with a 24% price increase Ukraine will
still have the cheapest gas in Europe for its consumers:
A huge line for free food at the charity kitchen in Kiev can be seen here: http://rusvesna.su/news/1539952343
(those who read Russian can find details in the accompanying news item).
I guess all of this is a great achievement of Maidan. Ukies, please comment.
Reminds me of a Russian joke.
An old man comes to a doctor and says:
- Doctor, I am only 65, but can't have sex any more. My neighbor is 80, and he tells stories
about having sex with young women. Can you help me?
- I don't see your problem: you can tell stories, too.
If one had to identify the main reason behind the utter failure of the U.S. political
establishment and military leadership, both civilian and in uniform, to identify and prioritize
weapons programs and procurement that was truly in line with the national defense needs of the
country, it would be the institutional corruption of the U.S. military industrial complex. This
is not a fault of one party, but is the inevitable outcome of a thoroughly corrupted system
that both generates and wastes great wealth at the expense of the many for the benefit of the
few.
Massive defense budgets do not lead to powerful military forces nor sound national defense
strategy. The United States is the most glaring example of how a nation's treasure can be
wasted, its citizens robbed for generations, and its political processes undermined by an
industry bent on maximizing profitability by encouraging and exacerbating conflict. At this
point it is questionable that the United States' could remain economically viable without war,
so much of its GDP is connected in some way to the pursuit of conflict.
There is no doubt that the War Department was renamed the Department of Defense in an
Orwellian sleight of hand in 1947, just a few years after end of World War II. The military
industrial complex grew into a monolith during the war, and the only way to justify the
expansion of the complex, was by finding a new enemy to justify the new reality of a massive
standing military, something that the U.S. Constitution expressly forbids. This unlawful state
of affairs has persisted and expanded into a rotten, bloated edifice of waste. Wasted effort,
wasted wealth and the wasted lives of millions of people spanning every corner of the planet.
Tens of thousands of brave men and women in uniform, and millions of civilians of so many
nations, have been tossed into the blades of this immoral meat grinder for generations.
President Donald Trump was very proud to announce the largest U.S. military budget in the
nation's history last year. The United States spent (or more accurately, borrowed from
generations yet to come) no less than $874.4 billion USD. The declared base budget for 2017 was
$523.2 billion USD, yet there are also the Overseas Contingency Operations and Support budgets
that have to be considered in determining the total cost. The total DOD annual costs have
doubled from 2003 to the present. Yet, what has the DOD really accomplished with so much money
and effort? Very little of benefit to the U.S. tax payer for sure, and paradoxically the
exorbitant waste of the past fifteen years have left every branch of the U.S. military
weaker.
The U.S. Congress has the duty and responsibility of reigning in the military adventurism of
the executive branch. They have the sole authority to declare war, but more importantly, the
sole authority to approve the budget requests of the military. It is laughable to think that
the U.S. Congress will do anything to reign in military spending. The Congress and the Senate
are as equally guilty as the Executive in promoting and benefitting from the military
industrial complex. Envisioned as a bulwark against executive power, the U.S. Congress has
become an integral component of that complex. No Senator or Representative would dare to go
against the industry that employs so many constituents within their state, or pass up on the
benefits afforded them through the legalized insider-trading exclusive to them, or the
lucrative jobs that await them in the defense industry and the many think tanks that promote
continued prosecution of war.
"... This is not new and has been going for at least a century. And the US elites have a long tradition of false flags to to get the people of America riled up for war. ..."
"... As Petras says: "The ten theses define the nature of 21st century imperialism" because, I feel, they are the same values that defined the British Colonial Empire. ..."
Few, if any, believe what they hear and read from leaders and media publicists. Most people
choose to ignore the cacophony of voices, vices and virtues.
This paper provides a set of theses which purports to lay-out the basis for a dialogue
between and among those who choose to abstain from elections with the intent to engage them in
political struggle.
Thesis 1
US empire builders of all colors and persuasion practice donkey tactics; waving the carrot
and wielding the whip to move the target government on the chosen path.
In the same way, Washington offers dubious concessions and threatens reprisals, in order to
move them into the imperial orbit.
Washington applied the tactic successfully in several recent encounters. In 2003 the US
offered Libyan government of Muammar Gaddafi a peaceful accommodation in exchange for
disarmament, abandonment of nationalist allies in the Middle East, Africa and Asia. In 2011,
the US with its European allies applied the whip – bombed Libya, financed and armed
retrograde tribal and terrorist forces, destroyed the infrastructure, murdered Gaddafi and
uprooted millions of Africans and Libyans. . . who fled to Europe. Washington recruited
mercenaries for their subsequent war against Syria in order to destroy the nationalist Bashar
Assad regime.
Washington succeeded in destroying an adversary but did not establish a puppet regime in the
midst of perpetual conflict.
The empire's carrot weakened its adversary, but the stick failed to recolonize Libya
..Moreover its European allies are obligated to pay the multi-billion Euro cost of absorbing
millions of uprooteded immigrants and the ensuing domestic political turmoil.
Thesis 2
Empire builders' proposal to reconfigure the economy in order to regain imperial supremacy
provokes domestic and overseas enemies. President Trump launched a global trade war, replaced
political accommodation with economic sanctions against Russia and a domestic protectionist
agenda and sharply reduced corporate taxes. He provoked a two-front conflict. Overseas, he
provoked opposition from European allies and China, while facing perpetual harassment from
domestic free market globalists and Russo-phobic political elites and ideologues.
Two front conflicts are rarely successful. Most successful imperialist conquer adversaries
in turn – first one and then the other.
Thesis 3
Leftists frequently reverse course: they are radicals out of office and reactionaries in
government, eventually falling between both chairs. We witness the phenomenal collapse of the
German Social Democratic Party, the Greek Socialist Party (PASOK), (and its new version Syriza)
and the Workers Party in Brazil. Each attracted mass support, won elections, formed alliances
with bankers and the business elite – and in the face of their first crises, are
abandoned by the populace and the elite.
Shrewd but discredited elites frequently recognize the opportunism of the Left, and in time
of distress, have no problem in temporarily putting up with Left rhetoric and reforms as long
as their economic interests are not jeopardized. The elite know that the Left signal left and
turn right.
Thesis 4
Elections, even ones won by progressives or leftists, frequently become springboards for
imperial backed coups. Over the past decade newly elected presidents, who are not aligned with
Washington, face congressional and/or judicial impeachment on spurious charges. The elections
provide a veneer of legitimacy which a straight-out military-coup lacks.
In Brazil, Paraguay and Venezuela, 'legislatures' under US tutelage attempted to ouster
popular President. They succeeded in the former and failed in the latter.
When electoral machinery fails, the judicial system intervenes to impose restraints on
progressives, based on tortuous and convoluted interpretation of the law. Opposition leftists
in Argentina, Brazil and Ecuador have been hounded by ruling party elites.
Thesis 5
Even crazy leaders speak truth to power. There is no question that President Trump suffers a
serious mental disorder, with midnight outbursts and nuclear threats against, any and all,
ranging from philanthropic world class sports figures (LeBron James) to NATO respecting EU
allies.
Yet in his lunacy, President Trump has denounced and exposed the repeated deceits and
ongoing fabrications of the mass media. Never before has a President so forcefully identified
the lies of the leading print and TV outlets. The NY Times , Washington Post
, the Financial Times, NBC, CNN, ABC and CBS have been thoroughly discredited
in the eyes of the larger public. They have lost legitimacy and trust. Where progressives have
failed, a war monger billionaire has accomplished, speaking a truth to serve many
injustices.
Thesis 6
When a bark turns into a bite, Trump proves the homely truth that fear invites aggression.
Trump has implemented or threatened severe sanctions against the EU, China, Iran, Russia,
Venezuela, North Korea and any country that fails to submit to his dictates. At first, it was
bombast and bluster which secured concessions.
Concessions were interpreted as weakness and invited greater threats. Disunity of opponents
encouraged imperial tacticians to divide and conquer. But by attacking all adversaries
simultaneously he undermines that tactic. Threats everywhere limits choices to dangerous
options at home and abroad.
Thesis 7
The master meddlers, of all times, into the politics of sovereign states are the
Anglo-American empire builders. But what is most revealing is the current ploy of accusing the
victims of the crimes that are committed against them.
After the overthrow of the Soviet regime, the US and its European acolytes 'meddled' on a
world-historic scale, pillaging over two trillion dollars of Soviet wealth and reducing Russian
living standards by two thirds and life expectancy to under sixty years – below the level
of Bangladesh.
With Russia's revival under President Putin, Washington financed a large army of self-styled
'non-governmental organizations' (NGO) to organize electoral campaigns, recruited moguls in the
mass media and directed ethnic uprisings. The Russians are retail meddlers compared to the
wholesale multi-billion-dollar US operators.
Moreover, the Israelis have perfected meddling on a grand scale – they intervene
successfully in Congress, the White House and the Pentagon. They set the Middle East agenda,
budget and priorities, and secure the biggest military handouts on a per-capita basis in US
history!
Apparently, some meddlers meddle by invitation and are paid to do it.
Thesis 8
Corruption is endemic in the US where it has legal status and where tens of millions of
dollars change hands and buy Congress people, Presidents and judges.
ORDER IT NOW
In the US the buyers and brokers are called 'lobbyists' – everywhere else they are
called fraudsters. Corruption (lobbying) grease the wheels of billion dollars military
spending, technological subsidies, tax evading corporations and every facet of government
– out in the open, all the time and place of the US regime.
Corruption as lobbying never evokes the least criticism from the mass media.
On the other hand, where corruption takes place under the table in Iran, China and Russia,
the media denounce the political elite – even where in China over 2 million officials,
high and the low are arrested and jailed.
When corruption is punished in China, the US media claim it is merely a 'political purge'
even if it directly reduces elite conspicuous consumption.
In other words, imperial corruption defends democratic value; anti-corruption is a hallmark
of authoritarian dictatorships.
Thesis 9
Bread and circuses are integral parts of empire building – especially in promoting
urban street mobs to overthrow independent and elected governments.
Imperial financed mobs – provided the cover for CIA backed coups in Iran (1954),
Ukraine (2014), Brazil (1964), Venezuela (2003, 2014 and 2017), Argentina (1956), Nicaragua
(2018), Syria (2011) and Libya (2011) among other places and other times.
Masses for empire draw paid and voluntary street fighters who speak for democracy and serve
the elite. The "mass cover" is especially effective in recruiting leftists who look to the
street for opinion and ignore the suites which call the shots.
Thesis 10
The empire is like a three-legged stool it promotes genocide, to secure magnicide and to
rule by homicide. Invasions kills millions, capture and kill rulers and then rule by homicide
– police assassinating dissenting citizens.
The cases are readily available: Iraq and Libya come to mind. The US and its allies invaded,
bombed and killed over a million Iraqis, captured and assassinated its leaders and installed a
police state.
A similar pattern occurred in Libya: the US and EU bombed, killed and uprooted several
million people, assassinated Ghadaffy and fomented a lawless terrorist war of clans, tribes and
western puppets.
"Western values" reveal the inhumanity of empires built to murder "a la carte" –
stripping the victim nations of their defenders, leaders and citizens.
Conclusion
The ten theses define the nature of 21 st century imperialism – its
continuities and novelties.
The mass media systematically write and speak lies to power: their message is to disarm
their adversaries and to arouse their patrons to continue to plunder the world.
When was the last time "Nation building" resulted in a livable country. Iraq? Libya?
Americans, and I am one, can barely keep their own country from sinking into a pit of decay.
Why "deliver Democracy" when Dubai makes much of the US look like shit in terms of
infrastructure, crime and poverty.
When was the last time "Nation building" resulted in a livable country.
Why "deliver Democracy" when Dubai makes much of the US look like shit
Because what a ZOG does with it's host nation has nothing to do with improving anything
for the occupied peoples.
Think of it like the Communist Manifesto. They thump it around, preaching utopia and
equality and all that sugar and honey. This is because they want you to buy what they are
selling. But they don't have any intention of ever delivering. None whatsoever.
All they're really trying to do is whip up an army of useful idiots to be used as blunt
instruments. And once these useful idiots are done fulfilling their role in the
redistribution of wealth and power, they are discarded only to realize too little too late
that they have been working against their own interests all along.
The same thing goes for exporting Democracy. It's never been about improving anyone's
lives. In the West or any of their target nations. It's been about whipping useful idiots up
into an army that can be used as a blunt instrument against the obstacles in the way of
(((someone's))) geopolitical ambitions.
This is not new and has been going for at least a century. And the US elites have a long
tradition of false flags to to get the people of America riled up for war.
False Flag Events Behind the Six Major Wars
False flags to fool Americans into the Spanish American War, WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam
War and the War on terror.
Interesting is that a USA textbook already describes USA imperialism, without using the
word:
Barbara Hinckley, Sheldon Goldman, 'American Politics and Government, Structure, Processes,
Institutions and Policies', Glenview Ill., 1990
Vietnam was a mess for a decade at least and created an immigration crisis in
Australia. The US had a surplus budget when Clinton left office. When Bush left office, oil prices
were sky-high and the economy was dreadful. Who benefits. Israel? Syria is a mess that threatens their borders.
A great comment with the proper name calling for the ZUSA in relation to the current
situation in Turkey:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/08/how-turkeys-currency-crisis-came-to-pass.html#comments
Excerpts:
" The Dollar op indicates that the USA ( or rather those who pull the strings in the
US ) finally admits that our Ally is responsible for almost all mischievous events which
took place in Turkey.
The USA is not a country, but rather a useful contract killer on a larger scale
compared to the PKK-FETO-ISIS etc.
The US is now stepping forward fearlessly because 'the arms of the octopus', as Erdogan put
last week, has been severed in Turkey."
These two definitions do stick:
1. the US is manipulated by the puppeteers -- people (the US citizenry at large) have no
saying in the US decisions (mostly immoral and often imbecile); the well-being of the US is
not a factored in the decisions
2. the US has become a "contract killer" for the voracious puppeteers
Prof. Petras, thanks. A while back I read something called Confessions of an Economic Hit
Man (?) in which the writer describes his efforts to put other nations into debt to
American institutions and American-controlled or -influenced international institutions for
the ulterior purpose of political control. Sounded plausible enough, and I saw the author
speak on TV on his book tour.
How do any of us know we're living in a country gone massively wobbly? Can a German
sipping wine in Koblenz in 1936 even imagine Hitler's Germany will be a staple of American
cable shows eighty years hence, and not in a good way? Can a Russian in the same year imagine
that the latest round of arrests won't be leading to a Communist utopia now, or ever?
FWIW-my guess is America's imperial adventures are heavily structural, being that foreign
policy is strongly within the President's purview, and Congress can be counted on to
rubber-stamp military expeditions. Plus, empire offers a good distraction from domestic
politics, which are an intractable mess of rent-seeking, racial animus, and corporate
interests.
I don't like it much having to live in a racketeerized America, but there's not a whole
lot we can do.
Professor Petras glasses are becoming little bit foggy, but his scalpel still cuts to the
bone.
But this article is lecture for beginner class, or the aliens visitors who just landed on
Earth
Yet in his lunacy, President Trump has denounced and exposed the repeated deceits and
ongoing fabrications of the mass media.
A damned good article, Sir! And bless you for calling bankster propaganda anything
but "mainstream."
Ours is a problem in which deception has become organized and strong; where truth is
poisoned at its source; one in which the skill of the shrewdest brains is devoted to
misleading a bewildered people.
-Walter Lippman, A Preface to Politics ( 1913 ), quoted in The Essential
Lippmann, pp. 516-517
Lippman was an Allied propagandist among many other things.
The 10 theories that led Petras to conclude "{the message is "to disarm their adversaries and
to arouse their patrons" to continue to plunder the world}" is an example, that the American
people are clueless about how events documented by Petras research, led Petras to conclude
the USA is about plunder of the world .
There is a distinct difference between USA governed Americans and the 527 persons that
govern Americans.
Access by Americans to the USA 1) in person with one of its 527 members, 2) by communication
or attempted communication via some type of expression or 3) by constitutionally allowed
regime change at election time. None of these methods work very well for Americans , if at
all; but they serve the entrenched members of the USA, massive in size corporations and
upstream wealthy owners, quite well.
Secondly, IMO, Mr. Petras either does not understand democracy or has chosen to make a
mockery of it?
The constitution that produced the USA produced not a democracy, but a Republic.
A republic which authorized a group ( an handful of people) to rule America by rules the USA
group
decides to impose. Since the group can control the meaning of the US Constitution as well
as change it's words, the group has, unlimited power to rule, no matter the subject matter or method
(possible exceptions might be said to be within the meaning of the bill of rights; but like
all contract
clauses, especially a contract of the type where one side can amend, ignore, change or
replace or use
its overwhelming military and police powers to enforce against the other side, leaving the
other side no
recourse, is not really a contract; it might better be called an instrument announcing the
assumption of
power which infringes inalienable human rights).
Therefore just because 527 members of the USA government might between themselves practice
Democracy does not mean the governed enjoy the same freedoms.
So the USA is ruled by puppets, 527 of them, puppets of the Oligarchs. Since the
ratification of the USA constitution, Americans have been governed by the USA [The US
constitution (ratified 1778) overthrew and disposed of the Articles of Confederation
(Government of America founded 1776). Not a shot was fired, but there was a war none-the-less
(read Federalist vs Anti-Federalist and have a look at the first few acts of the USA).
(Note: The AOC, was the American government that defeated the British Armies [1776-1783],
the 1776 American AOC American Government was the government that surveyed all of the land
taken from the British by the AOC after it defeated the entire British military and stopped
the British aristocrat owed, privately held corporate Empires from their continuous raping of
America and abuse of Americans. those who did the work.
The AOC was the very same American Government that hired G. Washington to defeat and chase
the British Aristocratic Corporate Colonial Empires out of America. The 1776 American AOC
Government was the very same government that granted freedom to its people (AOC really did
practice democracy, and really did try to divide and distribute the vast American lands taken
from the British Corporate Colonial Empire equally among the then living Americans. The AOC
ceased to exist when the US Constitution installed the USA by a self proclaimed regime
change process , called ratification). There were 11 presidents of the AOC, interestingly
enough, few have heard of them.
Once again the practice of political self-determination democracy is limited to the 525
USA members who have seats in the halls of the Congress of the USA or who occupy the offices
of the President of USA or the Vice-President of the USA. All persons in America, not among
the 527 salaried, elected members of the USA, are governed by the USA.
@Heisendude Israel has no constitution, and therefore no borders.
A constitution also describes borders.
An Israeli jew one asked Ben Gurion why Israel has no defined borders, the answer was
something like 'we do not want to define borders, if we did, we cannot expand'.
@Jeff Stryker Why does Israel assist all sorts of bandits, including, but not limited to,
ISIS, in Syria? Just recently Israel helped in extracting the White Helmets, a PR wing of
Nusra (Syrian branch of Al Qaida) from South Syria. Please explain.
@Anonymous Those 527 are bought and paid for lackeys. We don't know how many real owners
of the USA there are, don't know many of their names, but we do know that when those lackeys
imagine that they are somebodies and try to govern, they are eliminated (John Kennedy is the
most unambiguous example).
You may have heard of it. Globalism, N(J)ew World Order. That which the
(((internationalists))) are always working towards. A one world government with them at the
top, the ruling class.
Vietnam was a mess for a decade at least and created an immigration crisis in
Australia.
Australia is a white nation. All white nations are supposed to suffer and ultimately
collapse upon the creation of their New World Order. Vietnam was a complete success for the
one's who really wanted that war.
The US had a surplus budget when Clinton left office. When Bush left office, oil prices
were sky-high and the economy was dreadful.
Bush was a neocon, wars for Israel with that 'surplus' were the intention all along. As
wars under Hillary would have been as well. And as they potentially could still be if Trump
proves to be a lap dog for Israel as well. He campaigned on no pointless wars, but there's no
saying for sure until he either brings all our troops home or capitulates and signs Americans
up to be cash cows and cannon fodder for more Israeli geopolitical ambitions.
Who benefits.
Those same rootless cosmopolitans that always benefit from playing both sides of the
field, seeding conflict and then cashing in on the warmongering, genocidal depopulation and
population displacement in the name of their geopolitical ambitions.
Israel? Syria is a mess that threatens their borders.
Israel made that mess. Threatened their borders with war. Land theft. Y'know. Golan
Heights. Genocide land theft and displacement are all Israel does. Their borders have
expanded every year since their creation.
Everything that's happening in the Middle East is because of the Rothschild terror state
of Israel and the Zionist Jews who reside in it .. as well as in our various western
ZOGs.
Have you really never heard of the Oded Yinon Plan ? Their genocidal outline for
waging wars of aggression for the purpose of expanding their borders and becoming the
dominant regional superpower by balkanizing the surrounding Arab world.
The only nations of significance left on their check list are as follows : Syria, Iran,
Saudi Arabia. And many will argue that the House of Saud has always been crypto, helping
Israel behind the scenes. Their sudden post-coup cooperation with their former 'enemies' is
little more than a sign that they are needed as a wartime ally more in the current phase of
their Yinon Plan than as controlled opposition funding and arming ISIS while keeping the
public eye off of Israel's role in their creation and direction. Sure enough, it seems there
is a rather strong push for an alliance between KSA, Israel and the US for war with Iran.
Technological progress, particularly the progress in information technology is pushing
mankind with accelerated speed toward final solution and final settlement.
Corruption is endemic in the US where it has legal status and where tens of millions of
dollars change hands and buy Congress people, Presidents and judges.
Yep. I have been ranting for years calling for a Anti-Corruption Political Party Platform
by some group.
The corruption of our politicians is the cause of all the problems everyone else is ranting
about.
In some ways I think most people deserve what they are going to get eventually because
they ignore the corruption of their heroes .whether it be Trump, Hillary or any other.
I tell you sheeple .if someone will cheat and lie to others they will do the same thing to
you ..you are stone cold stupid if you think other wise.
@Biff Jeff and Mikeat are both correct if my friend's account of his participation in a
recent trade show there is true. My friend's wife is a ding bat Hillarybot and she got to
yammering to me after returning about all the wonderful diversity she saw in the streets of
Dubai, but I shut her down pretty quickly by pointing out that the diversity darlings in
Dubai were paid help for the Sheikdom and weren't even second class temporary residents by US
standards; that they can be (and are) summarily deported to some slave market in Yemen if
they don't mind their Ps and Qs VERY carefully in that society. She's also a wino, but
confessed that the Trader Joe's box grade merlot sold for about US$18 to $25 a goblet in a
tourist zone food and beverage joint. (and that didn't slow her down one bit) Hubby had to
watch her close, as obvious public drunkenness (even in the tourist zone) has high potential
for extreme justice.
The New Economy plan being promoted there is the development of a sort of Disneyworld on
steroids international vacation attraction, as the leaders seem to think that their oil is
going to run out soon.
@peterAUS CNN, Washpost and NYT since a very long time suffer from a serious mental
disorder.
It reminds me of Orwell's The Country of the Blind.
When the man who could see was cured all was well.
@DESERT FOX While the Fed is a focal point, it is not the central issue. If Americans,
were actually in voting control of the central issue Americans could and probably would
abolish the fed and destroy its income by removing the income tax laws, very early on.
But if the Fed and Income taxes are not the central issue, what is the central issue?
Could it be majority will "control of the structure and staffing of that structure" that
often people call government? Look back to the creation of the US Constitution! There the
central issue for the old British Aristocracy accustomed to having their way, was: can
Aristocrats stay in control (of the new American democracy) and if so, how should "such
control" be established so that British corporate power, British Aristocratic wealth and
British Class Privilege can all survive the American revolution? {PWP}.
The question was answered by developing a form of government that enabling the Oligarch
few to make the rules [rule of law] that could control the masses and to produce a government
that had a monopoly on the use of power, so that it could enforce the laws it makes, against
against the masses and fend off all challenges. The constitution blocked the people's right
to self determination; it empowered the privileged, it favored the wealthy, and most of all
it protected and saved pre-war British owned PWP as post war PWP.
Today those who operate the government do so in near perfect secrecy (interrupted only
occasionally by Snowden, Assange, and a few brave others). It spies on each person, records
each human breath taken by the masses, relates relationships between the masses, because
those in charge fear the power of the masses should the masses somehow find a way to impose
their will on how things are to be. How can rules made by Aristocrats in secret, be
considered to be outcomes established by self- determination of the masses who are to be
governed?
Ratification is the process that abolished Democracy in America. The story of those
who imposed ratification has not yet been told. Ratification was used to justify the
overthrow of the Articles of the Confederation (AOC was America's government from 1776 to
1789). To defeat the British empire the AOC hired the most wealthy man it could find to
organize an Army capable to defeat the British Military. The AOC warred on the British Armies
with the intent to stop colonial corporate empires from continuing to rape American
productivity and exploit the resources in America for the benefit of the British Corporate
Empires [Read the Declaration of Independence].
You might research.. How did George Washington achieve his massive, for its time, wealth?
I don't think tossing coins across the mile wide Potomac made him a dime? How did GW attain
such wealth in British owned, corporately controlled Colonial America? Why was George
Washington able to keep that British earned wealth after the British were chased out of
America? More importantly many gave their all, life, liberty and property to help chase the
British out, GW gave ..?
Title by land grants [Virginia and West Virginia] are traceable to GWs estate.
What the land grant landowners feared most was that the new American democracy, might
allow the masses to revoke or deny titles to real estate in America, if such title derived
from a foreign government (land grant). The Articles of Confederation government was talking
about dividing up all of the lands in America, and parceling it out, in equal portions, to
all living AOC governed America. Deeds from kings and queens of England, France, Spain,
Portugal, and the Netherlands to land in America would not be recognized in the chain of
title? Such lands would belong to the new AOC government or to the states who were members of
the AOC.
You might check out Article 6, (Para 1) of the US Constitution.. it says in part
" All Debts contracted and Engagements[land grants and British Corporate Charters] entered
into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States
under this Constitution, as under the confederation.
(meaning loans to British Banks would be repaid and land deals made with foreign nations
and corporations including those that resulted in creating a land Baron in British Colonial
America, were to be treated as valid land titles by US Constitution. Consider the plight of
Ex British Land Grant Barron Aristocrat [EBLGBA] who finds himself in now independent
democratic America? Real Americans might decide EBLGBAs were some kind of terrorist, or
spies. Under such circumstances, the EBLGA might look at Americans as a threat to their
Aristocracy, a threat to their PWP..
Example: A Spanish Land Grant property in America ( King of Spain gave 5 million acres of
land in America to ZZ in 1720 (ZZ is a Spanish Corporation ZZ doing business in America), the
land transaction was recognized as valid under British Colonial Law in America. But would
Independent AOC America recognize a deed issued by a Spanish King, or British Queen to Real
Estate in America?
After the Revolution, the question does a EBLGBA retain ownership in the American located
land that is now part of Independent America? Ain't no dam deed from a Spanish government
going to be valid in America. King of England cannot give a deed to land that is located in
independent America.
So if, a corporation, incorporated under British Law, claims it owns 5 million acres of
American land because the Queen of England deeded it the the corporation: does that mean the
5 million acres still belongs to British Corporation X, and of course to the person made
Aristocrat by virtue of ownership of the British Corporation). Is a British Corporation now
to be an American Corporation? British Landed Gentry (land grant owners) in independent post
war America, were quick to lobby for the constitution because the constitution protected
their ownership in land granted to them by a foreign king or queen in fact the constitution
protected the PWP.
I agree with your Zionist communist observation. It is imperative for all persons
interested in what is happening to study the takeover of Russia from the Tzar by Lenin and
his Zionist Communist because what the Zionist did to the Christians in Russia in 1917 seems
to be approaching for it to happen here in America and because that revolution was a part of
the organized Zionist [1896, Hertzl] movement to take control of all of the oil in the world.
Let us not forget, Lenin and crew exterminated 32 million White Russians nearly all of whom
were educated Christians living in the Ukraine.
As Petras says: "The ten theses define the nature of 21st century imperialism" because, I
feel, they are the same values that defined the British Colonial Empire.
So the USA is ruled by puppets, 527 of them, puppets of the Oligarchs. Since the
ratification of the USA constitution, Americans have been governed by the USA [The US
constitution (ratified 1778) overthrew and disposed of the Articles of Confederation
(Government of America founded 1776). Not a shot was fired, but there was a war
none-the-less (read Federalist vs Anti-Federalist and have a look at the first few acts of
the USA).
What a relief to find that there are a few (very few) others who have a clue. The
"constitution" was effectively a coup d'etat. We proles, peasants and other pissants have
been tax and debt slaves ever since, and the situation has continuously worsened. Lincoln's
war against Southern independence, establishment of the Federal Reserve, Wilson's and
especially FDR's wars, and infiltration of the US government and industry by Commies,
Zionists and other Eastern European goon-mafiosi scum have completely perverted what this
country is supposedly about.
I doubt the situation will ever begin to improve unless and until the mass of brainwashed
dupes understand what you wrote.
@Anon Please comment more often. Excellent info there.
You might research.. How did George Washington achieve his massive, for its time,
wealth?
True. Especially since the guy was a third rate, (probably mostly incompetent), Brit
military officer and terrorist who treated the men under his command like sh!t.
Reminds me of Ol Johnny Boy McCain and other such scum.
@jilles dykstra "Ben Gurion: 'we do not want to define borders, if we did, we cannot
expand'.
-- Right. Hence the mass slaughter in the Middle East.
Hapless Canada is going to accept the "humanitarian" terrorists from While Helmets
organization. The rescue is a joint Israel-Canada enterprise: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/435670-white-helmets-canada-syria/
-- -- -- -
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland (a committed banderist and admirer of Ukrainian
neo-Nazis) and Robin Wettlaufer (Canada's representative to the Syrian Opposition and a harsh
critic of Assad "regime") have been playing a key role in the evacuation of the White
Helmets. But there are some questions to Robin: "Did Canadians get to vote on whether or not
to bring potential terrorists or supporters of terrorists to Canada? No. No vote in the
Parliament, no public discussion. Why did the Canadian government refuse the entry of 100
injured Palestinian children from Gaza in 2014, a truly humanitarian effort, and yet will
fast-track the entry of potentially dangerous men with potential ties to terrorists?"
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/435670-white-helmets-canada-syria/
-- Guess Robin Wettlaufer, due to her ethnic solidarity, would be fine with these injured
Palestinian children being smothered by someone, but the well-financed White Helmets are the
extremely valuable material for realizing Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel (see Ben Gurion
answer).
The US had a surplus budget when Clinton left office
It turns out that 'budget surplus' does not mean what most people think it means. When your household has a budget surplus, its rate of debt accumulation reverses
(i.e., the total value of household debt falls). Credit cards get paid down, mortgages get
paid off, and eventually you end up with a large and growing positive net worth. That's what
running a 'budget surplus' means , right?
Not so for governments : the US government could run perpetual budget 'surpluses'
and still grow government debt without bound – because they do not account for things
the way they insist that we serfs account for things there are a bunch of their expenditures
that they simply don't count in their 'budget'.
It's a bit like if you were to only count the amount your household spent on
groceries , and declare your entire budget to be in 'surplus' or 'deficit' based on
whether or not there's change after you do your weekly shopping. Meanwhile, you're spending
more than you earn overall, and accumulating debt at an expanding rate.
Runaway debt is what destroys – whether it's families or countries.
There has only been one year since 1960 in which the US Federal Debt has fallen :
1969 .
During the much-touted "Clinton Surpluses", the US Federal Debt rose by almost a
quarter- trillion dollars . The first two Bush years had larger surpluses than
either of the two Clinton surpluses – but still added $160 billion to the
Federal debt.
I know those don't sound like big numbers anymore – much given that Bush added $602
billion per year on average, and Obama added twice Bush 's amount (1.19 trillion per
year).
"... The leading financial publications have misled their political and investor subscribers of emerging crises and military defeats which have precipitated catastrophic political and economic losses. ..."
"... Financial Times (FT) ..."
"... In this essay we will proceed by outlining the larger political context that sets the framework for the transformation of the FT ..."
"... The language of the FT ..."
"... The unanimity of the liberal and rightwing publications in support of western imperialism precluded any understanding of the enormous political and economic costs which ensued. ..."
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Introduction
The leading financial publications have misled their political and investor subscribers
of emerging crises and military defeats which have precipitated catastrophic political and
economic losses.
The most egregious example is the Financial Times (FT) a publication which is
widely read by the business and financial elite.
In this essay we will proceed by outlining the larger political context that sets the
framework for the transformation of the FT from a relatively objective purveyor of
world news into a propagator of wars and failed economic policies.
In part two we will discuss several case studies which illustrate the dramatic shifts from a
prudent business publication to a rabid military advocate, from a well-researched analyst of
economic policies to an ideologue of the worst speculative investors.
The decay of the quality of its reportage is accompanied by the bastardization of language.
Concepts are distorted; meanings are emptied of their cognitive sense; and vitriol covers
crimes and misdemeanors.
We will conclude by discussing how and why the 'respectable' media have affected real world
political and market outcomes for citizens and investors.
Political and Economic Context
The decay of the FT cannot be separated from the global political and economic
transformations in which it publishes and circulates. The demise of the Soviet Union, the
pillage of Russia's economy throughout the 1990's and the US declaration of a unipolar world
were celebrated by the FT as great success stories for 'western values'. The US and EU
annexation of Eastern Europe, the Balkan and Baltic states led to the deep corruption and decay
of journalistic narratives.
The FT willing embraced every violation of the Gorbachev-Reagan agreements and
NATO's march to the borders of Russia. The militarization of US foreign policy was accompanied
by the FT conversion to a military interpreter of what it dubbed the 'transition to
democratization'.
The language of the FT reportage combined democratic rhetoric with an embrace
of military practices. This became the hallmark for all future coverage and editorializing. The
FT military policies extended from Europe to the Middle East, the Caucasus, North
Africa and the Gulf States.
The FT joined the yellow press in describing military power grabs, including
the overthrow of political adversaries, as 'transitions to democracy' and the creation of 'open
societies'.
The unanimity of the liberal and rightwing publications in support of western
imperialism precluded any understanding of the enormous political and economic costs which
ensued.
To protect itself from its most egregious ideological foibles, the FT included
'insurance clauses', to cover for catastrophic authoritarian outcomes. For example they advised
western political leaders to promote military interventions and, by the way ,with 'democratic
transitions'.
When it became evident that US-NATO wars did not lead to happy endings but turned into
prolonged insurgencies, or when western clients turned into corrupt tyrants, the FT
claimed that this was not what they meant by a 'democratic transition' – this was not
their version of "free markets and free votes".
The Financial and Military Times (?)
The militarization of the FT led it to embrace a military definition of
political reality. The human and especially the economic costs, the lost markets, investments
and resources were subordinated to the military outcomes of 'wars against terrorism' and
'Russian authoritarianism'.
Each and every Financial Times report and editorial promoting western military
interventions over the past two decades resulted in large scale, long-term economic losses.
The FT supported the US war against Iraq which led to the ending of important
billion-dollar oil deals (oil for food) signed off with President Saddam Hussein. The
subsequent US occupation precluded a subsequent revival of the oil industry. The US appointed
client regime pillaged the multi-billion dollar reconstruction programs – costing US and
EU taxpayers and depriving Iraqis of basic necessities.
Insurgent militias, including ISIS, gained control over half the country and precluded the
entry of any new investment.
The US and FT backed western client regimes organized rigged election outcomes and
looted the treasury of oil revenues, arousing the wrath of the population lacking electricity,
potable water and other necessities.
The FT backed war, occupation and control of Iraq was an unmitigated disaster.
Similar outcomes resulted from the FT support for the invasions of Afghanistan,
Libya, Syria and Yemen.
For example the FT propagated the story that the Taliban was providing sanctuary
for bin Laden's planning the terror assault in the US (9/11).
In fact, the Afghan leaders offered to turn over the US suspect, if they were offered
evidence. Washington rejected the offer, invaded Kabul and the FT joined the chorus
backing the so-called 'war on terrorism which led to an unending, one trillion-dollar war.
Libya signed off to a disarmament and multi-billion-dollar oil agreement with the US in
2003. In 2011 the US and its western allies bombed Libya, murdered Gadhafi, totally destroyed
civil society and undermined the US/EU oil agreements. The FT backed the war but
decried the outcome. The FT followed a familiar ploy; promoting military invasions and
then, after the fact, criticizing the economic disasters.
The FT led the media charge in favor of the western proxy war against Syria:
savaging the legitimate government and praising the mercenary terrorists, which it dubbed
'rebels' and 'militants' – dubious terms for US and EU financed operatives.
Millions of refugees, resulting from western wars in Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq fled
to Europe seeking refuge. FT described the imperial holocaust – the 'dilemmas of
Europe'. The FT bemoaned the rise of the anti-immigrant parties but never assumed
responsibility for the wars which forced the millions to flee to the west.
The FT columnists prattle about 'western values' and criticize the 'far right' but
abjured any sustained attack of Israel's daily massacre of Palestinians. Instead readers get a
dose of weekly puff pieces concerning Israeli politics with nary a mention of Zionist power
over US foreign policy.
FT: Sanctions, Plots and Crises: Russia, China and Iran
The FT like all the prestigious media propaganda sheets have taken a leading role
in US conflicts with Russia, China and Iran.
For years the scribes in the FT stable have discovered (or invented) "crises" in
China's economy- always claiming it was on the verge of an economic doomsday. Contrary to the
FT, China has been growing at four times the rate of the US; ignoring the critics it built a
global infrastructure system instead of the multi-wars backed by the journalist war
mongers.
When China innovates, the FT harps on techno theft – ignoring US economic
decline.
The FT boasts it writes "without fear and without favor" which translates into
serving imperial powers voluntarily.
When the US sanctions China we are told by the FT that Washington is correcting
China's abusive statist policies. Because China does not impose military outposts to match the
eight hundred US military bases on five continents, the FT invents what it calls 'debt
colonialism" apparently describing Beijing's financing large-scale productive infrastructure
projects.
The perverse logic of the FT extends to Russia. To cover up for the US financed
coup in the Ukraine it converted a separatist movement in Donbass into a Russian land grab. In
the same way a free election in Crimea is described as Kremlin annexation.
The FT provides the language of the declining western imperial empires.
Independent, democratic Russia, free of western pillage and electoral meddling is labelled
"authoritarian"; social welfare which serves to decrease inequality is denigrated as 'populism'
-- linked to the far right. Without evidence or independent verification, the FT
fabricates Putinesque poison plots in England and Bashar Assad poison gas conspiracies in
Syria.
Conclusion
The FT has chosen to adopt a military line which has led to a long series of
financially disastrous wars. The FT support of sanctions has cost oil companies
billions of dollars, euros and pounds. The sanctions, it backed, have broken global
networks.
The FT has adopted ideological postures that threaten supply chains between the
West, China, Iran and Russia. The FT writes in many tongues but it has failed to
inform its financial readers that it bears some responsibility for markets which are under
siege.
There is unquestionably a need to overhaul the name and purpose of the FT. One journalist
who was close to the editors suggests it should be called the "Military Times" – the
voice of a declining empire.
I read the weekly British "Economist" for years, which is a well known international news
magazine. It has good stories and insight, but they are always pro-war and pro-empire, and in
recent years push open borders. I tired of supporting this propaganda and canceled by
subscription four years ago.
We used to take the FT on a Saturday. We gave it up not on the grounds of its politics
– we hardly glanced at that sort of pish anyway – but because of the decline in
the standard of its Arts coverage. That was so sudden that I imagine that it corresponded to
a change in the editor of the section.
Otherwise – well what do you expect? I no longer watch the TV news or listen to the
radio. We haven't taken the local rag for years. We take a national morning paper during the
week only on my wife's insistence. We've given up the magazines we've taken in the past,
including the Economist. The last magazine we took – second-hand, as it happens –
was Quadrant, an Aussie publication. It was rather good. We stopped it only because our
supply dried up.
I know this is going to sound crazy, but that sounds just like the track record for the
New York Times . Come to think of it, the Washington Post as well. Wow, what
are the odds? Sounds like collusion.
@tiny Tim
FT is now owned by Japanese media group Nikkei Inc. , which bought Financial Times
from Pearson for £844m ($1.32 billion). Take a look of current Editor Lionel Barber cv:
Lionel Barber, 52, is the editor of the Financial Times. He has lived in Washington,
Brussels, London and New York during his 20-year career at the publication, covering the
end of the Cold War, the first Gulf War and several US presidential campaigns. He also
briefed George W Bush ahead of his first visit to Europe as president.
Peason PLC held a 50% shareholding via The Financial Times Limited until August 2015; at
that time Pearson sold their share in the Economist. The Agnelli family's Exor paid
£287m to raise their stake from 4.7% to 43.4% , while the Economist paid
£182m for the balance of 5.04m shares which will be distributed to current
shareholders. Aside from the Agnelli family, smaller shareholders in the company include
Cadbury, Rothschild, Schroder, Layton and other family interests as well as a number
of staff and former staff shareholders.
"... Thanks to media, to this day very few people in the West know that towards the end of the 78-day war, US and UK deliberately targeted several completely civilian facilities (bridges, hospitals and schools) and in just a few days of such targeting killed about 200 civilians. ..."
Kiza
says: October
7, 2018 at 7:50 am GMT 500 Words @Quartermaster
I am not going to insult you personally, but as a cheap paid troll you have absolutely no clue
about the subject you are typing about for your Israeli masters. FB has not explained
everything perfectly but what he wrote is correct. It is not true that an airforce would target
radar installations only with HARM missiles, which all NATO countries and Israel have, but in
practice HARM are the only missiles to reliably target mobile air defence. During the attack on
Serbia, US flew more than 90% of NATO missions and it managed to destroy three missile
batteries and one radar station (using HARM). But the mobility of the Serbian immobile air
defences had two major effects:
1) Unlike Iraq, Serbia let NATO bomb targets without always switching on its air defences to be
detected and destroyed; this grossly reduced NATOs air effectiveness because with every bomber
they had to constantly send at least one support plane with jammers, HARMs etc. NATO tried to
claim a virtue out of this by saying that they were soft on Serbia and will get tougher, but in
reality their military attack was becoming difficult to manage, expensive and risky (the NATO
unity was beginning to fray).
2) It was a running joke in Serbia how NATO planes would attack some completely empty hill
(Serbia is a relatively hilly country), create literally free fireworks for the villagers, just
because there was an air defense installation on the hill maybe 5-10 hours ago. A similar joke
was how the Serbian military or even the local villagers would spread a strip of black builders
plastic over a river and NATO planes flying at above 5 km to avoid manpads would blast this $2
bridge with $200,000 worth of bombs (adding mission cost to the cost of bombs).
Regarding US F117, it was more "stealth" than F35 and similar stealth to the smaller F22,
but the Serbians used the Checkoslovakian TAMARA passive radar, using ionospheric scatter, and
also launched multiple operator guided missiles at F117 without a proper engagement radar to be
HARMed. Self-confident in stealth the pilots of F117 did not manoeuvre, thus it was easy to
predict their path even without the targeting and engagement radar.
Forcing US to retire F117 was the second costliest damage the Serbians have done (Lockheed
did not cry, through their lobbyists they turned the loss into an opportunity to sell more
rubbish). But the biggest cost to US was that Milosevic sold several unexploded cruise missiles
and all F117 parts to China and used the money to rebuild and repair all civilian buildings in
Serbia destroyed by NATO. Later, UK and US did a colour revolution in Serbia, got their hands
on Milosevic, who then died from a health "accident" in NATO jail.
@Cyrano
You are spot-on. The Serbian military fought NATO to a draw, proven by the fact that the
peace treaty signed in Kumanovo in FYRM, did not contain the Rambouye clauses and even left
Kosovo under Serbian jurisdiction as per UNSC 1244.
Even this military draw was forced on Serbia by increased bombardment of civilian targets
in Serbia combined with open threats of carpet bombing by US B57. Serbia is a fairly densely
populated country, no jungles to hide in as in Vietnam. The civilian targets were bombed to
show that they could do carpet bombing with impunity (with the help of MSM). Thanks to
media, to this day very few people in the West know that towards the end of the 78-day war,
US and UK deliberately targeted several completely civilian facilities (bridges, hospitals
and schools) and in just a few days of such targeting killed about 200 civilians.
Naturally, any agreements with the West are totally pointless. After the Kumanovo
agreement, US and UK organized a color revolution in Serbia, took Kosovo away and got their
Serbian puppets to agree to all Rambouye demands. Serbia did not lose the war, but it lost
the agreement peace with the West.
' to my knowledge the Serbians did not use a radiating radar to shoot-down one/two F117.
They used a passive radar, which does not emit at all, it only receives a rough and noisy
location of the stealth plane '
This is complete nonsense once again you choose to pontificate on things in which you have
no knowledge
In your earlier comment,
you identified this 'passive radar' allegedly used by the Serbs as the Czech 'Tamara' system
which the Serbs did not possess
Not only that but this kind of system is not used for guiding SAM shots, and is certainly
not any kind of 'anti-stealth' weapon this category of device is known as an emitter locator
system [ELS], and is used to listen in on radio emissions from hostile aircraft and to then
track them, by means of a number of geometrically deployed antennas that can then triangulate
the bearing and direction of the aircraft
However, the basic physics involved means that these emitter locators are effective at
tracking signals OTHER THAN the aircraft's onboard radar this would include the IFF
[identification friend or foe transponder signal] and other onboard radio emitters which are
OMNIDIRECTIONAL emitters
An aircraft radar's narrow pencil beam could not reach multiple [at least 2] ELS antenna
[which would be geographically dispersed] to provide the needed triangulation
' A topic which appears to crop up with monotonous regularity [is] Warsaw Pact equipment
"capable of detecting stealth aircraft".
These claims invariably involve either the Czech designed and built Tesla-Pardubice
KRTP-86 Tamara or ERA Vera Emitter Locating Systems, or the Ukrainian designed and built
Topaz Kolchuga series of Emitter Locating Systems.
More than often this equipment is described as 'anti-stealth radar', 'radar' or
'passive radar', all of which are completely incorrect.
Much of everything else you have farted out here regarding the Serb takedown of the F117
is similar bullshit
The
3′rd battery of the 250′th Air Defense missile Brigade, commanded by then Lt
Col Zoltan Dani killed both F117s [the second one made it back to Aviano, Italy but was
scrapped, as USAF Col Riccioni confirms in his F22 report I linked to earlier] as well as the
kill on the F16 of then 555′th squadron Commander, then Lt Col David Goldfein, who,
since 2016 happens to be Gen Goldfein and the USAF
Chief of Staff
Here is Goldfein's F16 canopy and tail feathers on display at the Belgrade Aviation
Museum
Incidentally, Col Riccioni mentions in that same report that Goldfein was doing 'other
than what he was supposed to be doing' when shot down I guess in today's USAF that means you
have the 'right stuff' to become The Chief
Also incidentally, the Goldfein kill was overseen by Col Dani's Deputy Maj Bosko Dotlic,
as Col Dani was off duty at the time
The point is that that one single S125 battery accounted for ALL the confirmed kills of
the Serb IADS in 1999 [although there are many more 'probable' kills that either ditched in
the Adriatic, or limped back but were scrapped]
This speaks to my earlier point about human competence and the 'hawks' and 'doves' just
like a small fraction of fighter pilots rack up the overwhelming majority of kills the same
goes for air defense commanders, submarine captains, tank commanders etc
You have spewed here a whole lot of garbage about 'secret' anti-stealth weapons and 'lucky
shots' etc which is a complete insult to the historical record and the great work by Col Dani
and his men and to the entire principle of working and training hard to achieve professional
competence in a military skill
Here is a picture of the side of the 3′rd Battery Command Cabin, with Three kills
stenciled in the F117 [black] on top a B2 [not confirmed] and Goldfein's F16 in white at
bottom
As per standard Russian air defense design doctrine, the S125 uses a separate
acquisition and tracking radar which DOES operate at a lower frequency in this case the
P15 'Flat Face'
which operates in the decimetric wavelength band [which is similar to ATC radar frequency of
about 1.2 to 1.4 GHz...ie L band]
As explained previously the acquisition radar serves to find and track the target at long
range and cues the engagement radar to scan a precise sector where the acquisition radar has
found the target the engagement radar's increased precision [due to its higher frequency and
antenna size] then provides pinpoint accuracy to guide the missile
It is this combination of separate radars working together that allows the targeting of
low observable aircraft and what the 3′rd Battery did was a textbook example of using
the equipment to its full potential despite the fact that this old radar technology was in
fact susceptible to jamming, which the Nato forces employed massively
Col Dani also trained his men hard to be able to disassemble their radar and launchers
within 90 minutes and load everything up on trucks and move to another location he also
exercised strict discipline with regard to emissions allowing the radar to be turned on only
for very short bursts at a time about a minute or two at most
This is all textbook Soviet operating procedure and the difference was the exceptional
work ethic and competence that Col Dani maintained in his unit
It should be noted here that the Serb air defense was in fact very successful overall war
is a game of survival and attrition and what the Serbs accomplished was noted by air combat
practitioners
'The air campaign over Kosovo severely affected the readiness rates of the United States
Air Force's Air Combat Command during that period. Units in the United States were the most
badly affected, as they were were stripped of their personnel and spare parts to support
ACC (Air Combat Command) and AMC (Air Mobility Command) units involved in Operation Allied
Force.
The Commander of the USAF's Air Combat Command, General Richard E Hawley, outlined this
in a speech to reporters on 29 April, 1999.[10] Further, many aircraft will have to be
replaced earlier than previously planned, as their planned fatigue life was prematurely
expended.
PGM inventories needed to be re-stocked, the warstock of the AGM-86C Conventional
Air-Launched Cruise Missile dropping to 100 or fewer rounds.[11] Of the more than 25,000
bombs and missiles expended, nearly 8,500 were PGMs, with the replacement cost estimated at
$US1.3 billion.[12]
Thus the USAF suffered from virtual attrition of its air force without having scored
a large number of kills in theatre. Even if the United States' best estimates of Serbian
casualties are used, the Serbians left Kosovo with a large part of their armoured forces
intact.
Incidentally, several years ago the downed USAF pilot Col Dale Zelko, traveled to Serbia
to visit the man who shot him down Col Dani a film The Second Meeting was made here is
a trailer
PS I will have more to say later, as you have littered this thread with all kinds of
technically incorrect crapola
@Johnny
Rico NATO failed to defeat the Yugoslav army so NATO targeted Serbian civilians. You have
suffered far more losses than you acknowledge so you started killing women and children. You
rained the main marked and the main hospital of my hometown with cluster bombs. That's why
Serbia accepted UN resolution 1244 and the Kumanovo agreement. Given the ultimatum in
Rambouillet, that's not what I would call a capitulation. The only reason Serbia signed was
because you threatened to mass murder Serbian civilians. Why would you threaten to massacre
civilians if you had so soundly defeated the Yugoslav army? Never have so many American
military died during training exercises than during the aggression against Serbia. We
consider you to be shit at war. Extremely armed fags who pee in their pants when they face
opposition. But believe what you want.
@Kiza
The Russians failed to defend Serbia in 1999. That's the Serbian approach.
Why on Earth would Russians defend Serbs who only remember "Russian" brothers when they're in
dire straits?
Why would the Russian "love" us more than we "love" them? What is their interest? Because
Serbs love "Tolstoevsky"?
Don't blame the Russian for Serbian failures. In true love as in a true contract, you have to
give in order to take. Russia has given us a lot with no expectance of return. If she
expected anything, we have given her nothing. We aren't Russia's spoiled child.
NATO failed to defeat the Yugoslav army so NATO targeted Serbian civilians.
Actually, they started to target civilian infrastructure. The objective was to intimidate
the regime in Belgrade into surrender by pushing the country towards stone age.
I guess you could be onto something here:
You have suffered far more losses than you acknowledge .
and
Never have so many American military died during training exercises than during the
aggression against Serbia.
As for
That's why Serbia accepted UN resolution 1244 and the Kumanovo agreement.
there was a little matter of Russia guaranteeing something too, I guess. While the
drunkard was in the Kremlin.
Perceptions aside (Argentinians still believe they sank Royal Navy aircraft carrier in
'82, for example) NATO delivered what its political masters wanted at the time.
Serbs lost .BADLY.
@Vojkan
Yes. It's pretty much standard American practice to bomb civilian infrastructure immediately,
regardless of the degree of resistance put up by the opposing military.
@Vojkan
I don't mean to interfere in inter-Serbian squabble, but I'll volunteer an opinion anyway. I
think you are exaggerating what Russia has done for Serbia for example. How so? As a proud
Balkaneer ( I am exaggerating here a little bit myself – the proud part) I have to say
that we in the Balkans have always benefited from the simple fact that usually Russia's
enemies are our enemies too, so when Russia takes care of their enemies, they automatically
take care of our enemies too.
But I don't think that the Russians would necessarily put their neck on the line for the
Balkan Slavs to defend them against enemies that are not their enemies as well. So,
unfortunately for Serbia, that equation didn't work for them in the 90's – simply put
– Serbia's enemies were not automatically Russia's enemies too. Russia was still trying
to be friends with the west. I forgot who it was, but some prominent Russian politician at
the time said: "We are not going to start nuclear war with US over Serbia".
But it seems that Serbia is always the canary in the mine – whenever someone attacks
Serbia – Russia is next. That's why that buffoon Yeltsin had to go. Friendship with the
west was over the moment they attacked Yugoslavia (Serbia). Now the Russia didn't start a
nuclear war over Serbia, but they still might have to – to defend themselves, and as
always Serbia will benefit from this – if anything is left over from this world after
things go nuclear.
@peterAUS
Serbs did lose badly. Albeit not on the battlefield. Though there never was a real
battlefield.
I have no reason to doubt the accounts of my friends in the military who sought in the rare
conversations I've had with them on the subject, to humble down their achievements.
I believe Russians capitalised on the Serb's defeat. I can't blame them for that. No one is
responsible for what happened to Serbs, as it happened, but Serbs. They're so keen on making
the wrong decisions for the sake of appearing glorious, you can't blame the devil for that.
It's their informed choice
@Beefcake
the Mighty To be fair, they only did it after they realised that the Serb military were
too smart to be depleted by aerial bombardment and that in order to defeat them, you'd have
to fight them on the ground. That's why NATO bombarded civilians. On a man to man basis,
Serbs and Russians are the best soldiers in the world. No navy seal, no marine, no SAS can
match them. Fighting for their homes gives them the little bit of adrenaline needed to
prevail.
@Cyrano
My point was never "Russians" are our brothers. My point is, whatever cultural, religious or
blood affinity I have with the Russians, they have their interests and we have ours. I cannot
expect of Russians to defend Serbia for "ses beaux yeaux". The same goes the other way
around. To some people Russia has "betrayed" Serbia, to some other Serbia has "betrayed"
Russia. Yet the West sees us as one whole, Russia and little "Russia". I didn't ask myself
before but now I love Russia infinetely more than the West. Russia has asked me nothing, has
given me nothing and is expecting nothing from me.
If we can have a mutually beneficial relationship with Russia, great. We will never have that
with the USA or the UK or Germany or France. They're guilty of the spoilation of Serbs' lives
and private properties. Russians never spoiled Serbs of anything.
The subject being 'Operation Mole Cricket' in 1982, when the Israeli air force mounted a
successful SEAD operation [suppression of enemy air defenses] against Syria's Russian made
SAMs
I will quote from the 1989 issue of Air Power Journal the USAF premier professional
publication
'Syrian SAM operators also invited disaster upon themselves. Their Soviet equipment was
generally regarded as quite good; Syrian handling of it was appalling.
As noted by Lt Gen Leonard Perroots, director of the US Defense Intelligence Agency, "The
Syrians used mobile missiles in a fixed configuration; they put the radars in the valley
instead of the hills because they didn't want to dig latrines -- seriously."
The Syrian practice of stationing mobile missiles in one place for several months allowed
Israeli reconnaissance to determine the exact location of the missiles and their
radars, giving the IAF a definite tactical advantage on the eve of battle.
Even so, the Syrians might have been able to avoid the complete destruction of their SAM
complex had they effectively camouflaged their sites; instead, they used smoke to "hide"
them, which actually made them easier to spot from the air.
It is ironic that the Syrians, who have been criticized for their strict adherence to
Soviet doctrine, chose to ignore the viable doctrine that emphasizes the utility of
maneuver and camouflage.
According to a 1981 article in Soviet Military Review, alternate firing positions,
defensive ambushes, regular repositioning of mobile SAMs to confuse enemy
intelligence, and the emplacement of dummy SAM sites are fundamental considerations for the
effective deployment and survivability of ground-based air defenses.'
We note here also that the highly effective Serb air defense in 1999, which stymied a huge
force of over 1,000 Nato aircraft for 78 days, did exactly those things that are mentioned here
and which the Syrians failed to do
But of course there is more to the story much much more
You see, that wikipedia article that 'Handtroll' links to has a section called 'Background'
And that background is that in previous years the Israeli air force had been thoroughly
pasted by the same Syrian and Egyptian air defenses Mole Cricket was Round 2 round 1 having
been a much bigger win for the air defenses
As Kopp recounts
'It is widely acknowledged that the Israelis suffered heavy losses of aircraft during the
fighting in 1973. Exactly how many were lost to SAMs, and to which type of SAM, has been less
well documented. Israeli public claims are that 303 aircraft were lost in combat
The same wikipedia article that 'Handtroll' points to says this
'The losses suffered by Israel in the 1973 war were so high that it indirectly spawned the
United States stealth aircraft program, Project HAVE BLUE.
The U.S. estimated that without a solution to the SAM problem, even the United States
would suffer depletion of its Air Force within two weeks of a conflict erupting between the
U.S. and Soviet Union. The Israelis had lost 109 aircraft in 18 days.'
The Kopp article Surface to Air Missile Effectiveness in Past Conflicts is a good
historic breakdown that contrasts the very effective use of Soviet air defense in Vietnam,
where the US lost
10,000 aircraft [including 31 B52 strategic bombers] and the various Middle East conflicts
where the Arab air defense forces put up a generally spotty record, using the same
equipment
The collapse of the extensive Iraqi air defense system in Desert Storm in 1991 is a textbook
case although here it is worth noting that a significant factor was that the Iraqi integrated
air defense system, KARI [Irak
spelled backward] was designed and built by the French, integrating both Soviet and French
SAMs into one central network
'Planning for this mission was helped when the CIA contacted the French engineer
responsible for designing the Kari IADS and passed along information about its
vulnerabilities and limitations.'
The main takeaway from a historical review of air defense versus attacking air power is that
human competence is always the overriding factor on both sides just one year after the
well-planned and executed Israeli Mole Cricket, the US decided to launch an air raid on Syrian
SAMs, which
ended in disaster
'Despite official statements, however, the first direct combat in Lebanon between the
United States and Syria was both a military and political disaster.
Two of the U.S. planes were shot down either by anti-aircraft rounds and/or approximately
forty SAMs; one pilot was killed, another was captured by Syrian forces, and another
parachuted safely into the Mediterranean Sea. (The hostage pilot, Lieutenant Robert Goodman,
Jr., was held and interrogated in a Syrian prison for thirty days until Reverend Jesse
Jackson secured his release.)
Clearly the US raid was poorly planned and ill conceived and they got a beating for their
efforts
So clearly the human factor always counts for the most statistics from the history of air
combat show that 10 percent of pilots score 90 percent of the kills the 'hawks' while that
other 90 percent end up as the victims
That is not to say that technological advance does not play a role clearly it does by the
early 1980s a number of SEAD technologies matured that had a big impact in swinging the
pendulum back in favor of air power these include standoff jamming pods carried by specialized
SEAD aircraft and which targeted the SAM radars properly used, these could degrade radar
performance enough to tilt the contest
Other significant advances occurred in anti-radiation missiles designed to home in on the
radio emissions from SAM radars as well as airborne emitter locators that could pinpoint radar
locations when those were switched on all of these tools, in the right hands, could make a big
difference, as they did in Mole Cricket
But military technology is usually a game of leapfrogging the air attacker gains made by the
1980s with jammers and Harms were countered by the 1990s with fundamentally new and much more
powerful radars known as 'phased array'
Instead of a parabolic 'dish' antenna, these radars use a flat surface containing numerous
[up to thousands] of 'radiating elements' controlled by a computer that can do things that
conventional radar cannot this includes much higher beam resolution the ability to track
numerous targets at once the ability to efficiently eliminate ground clutter for low flying
objects and most important the ability to defeat jamming by means of 'frequency hopping' and
reducing radio emissions to the side and rear
At the same time, the US has NOT developed new generations of SEAD weapons the same AN/ALQ99
jamming pod used since the Vietnam war is the front line unit today a jammer is basically a
radio emitter, using an antenna and electrical power to send radio waves at a target radar in
an attempt to disrupt it by necessity, being carried aloft by an aircraft, the jamming pod is
limited in terms of antenna size and available electrical power
Here we see an AN/AL99 pod under the wing of a Grumman EA6B 'Prowler' the small wind turbine
at the front supplies electrical power and the transmit antenna inside is a simple small dish
type against the big Russian SAM radars [even assuming the jamming aircraft could get close
enough to actually do anything] it is like a mosquito versus an elephant
–A Russian phased array radar on an all terrain tracked chassis
The next
generation US jammer is still in development and is not expected to come online for another
three years even then it will probably be too little too late basic physics tells us that radio
is all about electrical power and antenna size considering also the standoff capability of
modern Russian SAMs [over 400 km] plus the fact that those ground assets are also protected by
fighter aircraft, AWACS etc the advantage has definitely shifted in favor of air defense as
Kopp notes in his article, Surviving the Modern Integrated Air Defense
System
'The reality of evolving IADS technology and its global proliferation is that most of the
US Air Force combat aircraft fleet, and all of the US Navy combat aircraft fleet, will be
largely impotent against an IADS constructed from the technology available today from
Russian and, increasingly so, Chinese manufacturers.
If flown against such an IADS, US legacy fighters from the F-15 through to the current
production F/A-18E/F would suffer prohibitive combat losses attempting to penetrate, suppress
or destroy such an IADS.
This is not news to military professionals retired USAF Gen Philip Breedlove former Nato
commander for Europe notes
'Right now, we're almost completely dependent on air forces and aviation assets in order
to attack the A2/AD problem
We need more long-range, survivable, precision strike capability from the ground We
need dense capability -- like the dense A2/AD networks that we face.'
A2/AD meaning the 'anti-access/area denial' zones created by Russian air defense netorks
That pretty much sums it up the physical equation has tilted far in favor of the massive
electronic power and firepower that those all terrain mobile SAMs can muster versus what an
aircraft can take aloft what Breedlove is saying here is it's time to go back to the drawing
board and figure out a new way air power alone is not going to cut it
@imaginative{Still trying to learn if these 300s (whether new or old) solve the stated problem:}
S-300, like any other military equipment or hardware, is a tool: you need a good, reliable
tool, but you also need a trained operator to properly use that tool. And sometimes it is
impossible to train someone, if the material is not there.
SAA in general and Syrian soldiers individually have fought bravely against unbelievable
odds.
To wit, the heroic defense of the Kuweires air base by SAA, which was completely cut-off by
the terrorist invaders (and their patrons US, UK, France, Turkey, KSA, .). Yet it held out
for 2-3 years until liberated recently.
But there is something missing from the overall picture to make SAA a truly competent
military force able to defend itself and Syria independently against foreign aggressors.
There is an article on the web with the title "Why Arabs lose wars" (not sure if it's the
exact title) that examines the reasons. It is worth a read.
Also, poster [FB] discusses in detail in post #110 some of the differences between various
nationalities using Soviet/Russian military equipment.
Even if Syria were to get the latest Russian anti-air systems (S-400, S-500, .), they'd
have to be operated by Russians (or Serbs) to be truly effective against a competent,
technologically savvy adversary like Israel. Syrians have their work cut out for them for
sure.
I am no expert in this area to be sure. However with the unit price of the F-35s, they are
capitol assets. The loss of an F-35 for any reason in a combat zone would be a disaster. Yet
Trump is sending more of them to Israel in response to the S-300s.
This tit for tat escalation is not doing anyone any good and is potentially dangerous
beyond words. Syria had not been a threat to Israel in decades, yet Obama thought it was a
good idea to try an take out Assad. I would just like to know why.
@jimmyriddle
As far as I understand, the Russians have not turned on any other then the surveillance radar
in the S400 complex. Of all the radars in the complex, this one is the least interesting to
spy on. The real performance secrets of the system are in other radars. The Russians have not
turned on other "action" radars because this would give an opportunity to be studied and
because the US and Israeli planes have been declared "friendlies" by Putin.
The proximity of forces gives both sides opportunities to study procedures and technology
and both sides are avoiding showing all their cards. But the shooting down of IL20 may have
changed the game a little by giving the Russian military more freedom from the political
constraints. If the Russian military does turn on its other radars in the S400 complex, then
someone "stealthy" will find himself in the drink, in pieces.
In other words, the hope is that now the Russian military will be allowed to defend
itself. Otherwise, the Russians will keep suffering more Putin-style accidents in Syria.
@peterAUS{The only solution which would work on preventing further losses of Russian men and
material there is, effectively, Russians taking over all that. All.
Impossible, of course.}
Only Kremlin knows what ' preventing further losses of Russian men ..' implies, but
clearly Russia has taken losses from the day they went in and it does not seem to faze them
one bit, judging by their responses over the years to various losses they have incurred: they
didn't cut and run.
And I doubt Russia ever intended to fight Syrians' wars for them.
They can't make SAA into the Wehrmacht (or the Red Army of WW2 1942-1945) for sure.
But SAA has done quite well with Russian (and Hezbollah and IRG) help*.
It is an undeniable fact that before Russian AF came in and started cauterizing the cannibal
infestation, SAA was on the verge of collapse, and with it the State of Syria. Today what
remains of the terrorist invaders is holed up in Idlib: for how long?
And none of this – i.e. Russia's involvement, etc – would have been necessary
if Syrians were left alone to sort out their own internal affairs. Russia would not be
invited in by Syrian government if external forces intend on dismembering and erasing
the State of Syria had not started this war. The blood of 100s of 1,000s of innocent Syrian
civilians killed in this war is on their hands: US, UK, France, Turkey, KSA, Israel, various
other Gulf states,
btw: what's with the quotation marks for "locals" ?
You don't consider Syrians local?
Syria is one of the oldest countries in the region.
Its composition of people has naturally changed some over the centuries, but Syrians are as
local as it gets. And Syria's Alawites, in particular, have been there for millennia
(genealogy-wise).
___________
* Only fair, given the massive support ISIS cannibals and assorted other mass-murdering
invaders have gotten from outside.
@TheJester
Remember before you join with PCR in decrying the incredible degree of patience and restraint
that Putin has shown, that should a situation escalate into a probably WWIII – which
could happen within a few hours, Russia, population 145 million, would be facing America;
Population 330 million, plus probably most of Europe; Population 300 million, plus the 5-eyes
vassals; joint pop. almost 100 million.
IN which case, he would have no choice but to pre-emptively empty just about all his
nuclear missiles all over America before it could do the same to Russia.
Russia can move plenty of hardware into Syria, but that will not change the fact that Israel
is the 800 pounder in the region with more strike options than everybody else combined.
And as far as Israel "illegally" interdicting missiles intended for use against their
infrastructure, good luck with that, they certainly don't need anyone's approval.
Sure, some hi tech Russian weapon systems may take out a few Israeli aircraft, but at what
cost?
If Putin wants to sell more of his shiny missile systems, he will not try to use them against
Israeli forces.
@Isabella
Isabella, I'm not understanding what you are saying or what you are presuming. I'm an avid
fan of Putin. Indeed, I have imaged myself wearing a "Putin for President" shirt. I'm on his
side in the free-for-all of international intrigue and politics.
Under Putin's leadership, one has to be impressed with a country (Russia) that the West
has disparaged as an economic rival of Spain yet has developed a stable of advanced military
weapons that are superior to anything the United States has in its arsenal. However, a side
question: Is this the Russian strategic equivalent of the previous American "Star Wars"
program albeit this time designed by Russia to bankrupt the United States? If the F-35 is an
example of the US response, this will succeed.
The issue I raise is a real one. The West is paranoid that Russia and China will reach a
political, economic, and military accord that will secure the Asian continent for Asians. The
British Navy and then the American Navy have historically acted on the periphery to extract
natural resources and control international trade. A Russian/Chinese political, economic, and
military accord has the benefit of Asians acting on internal lines of communication and
making the United States Navy obsolete.
The dilemmas are not unlike those presented to the Germans in the 1st and 2nd World Wars.
Could the Germans secure effective internal lines of communication into Asia in time to make
the navies of Britain and the United States irrelevant? The Germans failed. However, Russian
weapons and the Chinese economy have the potential to finally pull this off.
Hence, the United States with pitifully ineffective support from the EU is desperate to
prevent the concord between Russia and China that can materially and perhaps permanently
change the power relationships in the world for the first time since the western Middle Ages.
The US strategy: divide and conquer.
I imagine myself in Putin's shoes playing three-dimensional chess. (BTW: I can't play
three-dimensional chess.) How does one deal with the last desperate throws of the dying
American empire without getting involved in the "action-reactions" that led to WWI and
WWII? Syria is the perfect scenario for that to happen.
If Putin is forced up against the wall in Syria, what will he do? If a confrontation with
the West materializes and he backs down, he is over. The United States has called his bluff.
The United States is then free to confront and try to humiliate China in the same way.
However, if Russia calls the US bluff, I'm afraid to imagine the consequences. The US is
also over. The danger is that the United States will respond with mindless violence that
leads to WWIII.
I wish Putin well. He is better equipped to play and win at three-dimensional chess than
any of the current actors in the United States or the European Union in his quest for a
multi-polar world.
As an American, I pray Putin succeeds. I want my country back; I want us to return to our
origins as a constitutional republic. In the meantime, Putin lives in a deadly jungle created
by the death throes of the American Empire. To paraphrase Dylan Thomas, The Empire of the
United States,
Does not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the Light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night
[ At the close of Imperial Light ].
PCR doesn't "decry" Putin's patience and restraint, he admires it; but he points out that
they may entail unforeseen consequences and may ential the irrational responses of the
neocons and Israelis. Obviously the Russian military doesn't entirely agree with Putin's
"partners" perspective.
the S-300s are certainly formidable air defense systems, they are not a
Wunderwaffe
Most important statement. Repeat over, and over, and over again.
Israelis operate in Syria because of Iran/Hezbollah. Maybe they operate in Syria more than
they have to, and they use Iran/Hezbollah as a casus belli , because they are secretly
compensated by the Saudis who have it in for the Assad regime. That's conspiratorial, but
seems at least as likely as the speculation that "Israelis simply think that they don't have
to abide by any kind of norms of behavior." This conspiracy theory also doesn't implicate all
Israelis or even the entire Israeli government, it may simply be limited to key individuals
in extraordinary positions of power who may be on the offing for riches no one here can
imagine in return for some old fashioned corruption.
To try and put a Saker hat on and see this from a Russian point of view, and to
also care for Russian servicemen in Syria, and to be realistic about the extent and
capabilities and quantity and quality of the assets at the disposal of those who seem
determined to act with impunity against international law in Syria under the rubric of
opposing Iran/Hezbollah, here's some more ideas:
1. Perhaps Russia should provide substantially more SAM systems than it has openly stated
(and maybe it is planning this and wisely not announcing it) – in this vein the
Pantsirs-S1/2 the Saker recommends and additional un-enumerated integrated S-300 deployments
might satisfy no one should think this is invincible it is simply so far from it – I am
sorry Russian tech fanboys, none of this is a Star Wars Nabooian Gungan shield – the
tech can be defeated and you are wrong to think anything else but it plays the
strongest hand, strongest, and can be part of a larger strategy
2. "Syrian finger on the trigger" is key – avoiding Russia/Israel or Russia/NATO
engagement is paramount not least of all because it means Israel/NATO forces cannot rely on
Russian restraint and that should have a deterring effect which will allay tensions
but with hands played as strong as they can be:
3. Strategically de-escalate – do this by cooperating with the Chinese and
other non-permanent members of the UN Security Council to make as loud a fuss as possible to
call for a demilitarization of Syria by both Iran/Hezbollah and Israelfollowing
1980s norms meaning:
Turn the cards, turn the tables
a) under a UN Mandate (that China and Russia should dare the US, UK and France to veto)
belligerents such as Russia, NATO, Israel all observe a cease-fire while b) a substantial
force of UN Peacekeepers enters Syria does whatever is possible to expel Hezbollah or drive
it underground to the point of effective neutering, and c) position themselves strategically
so that Israeli strikes would result in hitting UN targets raise stakes further by working
the UN in advance to presume Israel will strike a UN target and be ready with the most
devastating economic and diplomatic counter-response possible as swiftly as possible –
such a response should be calculated to hit the ordinary Israeli citizen/taxpayer and make
him as likely as possible to vote in a new government.
The Saker is putting the best face on it he can, but a plain stating is that a military
solution isn't in the offing. This is true for everyone. There's not Israeli military
"solution", nor Iranian, nor US – there certainly isn't a Russian military
solution.
But as far as I can tell the US has no interest in being a hero of a diplomatic solution
even though if it was paying any attention, acting with any values, and not allowing the tail
to wag the dog but leading with its own agency, it would be the one leveraging the UN exactly
as I've described and without need of S300 deployments.
So go ahead Russia. This is the US's show to play, but it's not playing the part. Have at it
Understudy!
Play the military cards well so that they arc towards a diplomatic break of tensions and no
one should fault Russia for eating empire's Peacemaker lunch when empire is off at the war
movies.
Someone needs to be thinking about a diplomatic endgame. It is simply unsafe, at a global
level, to have the US, Russia and Israel packed in this small place testing each other this
way.
A caution: one shouldn't underestimate Iranian squealing in the event of the success of
such measures. The Iranian regime isn't popular and like other regimes relies on wars "over
there" to promote stability at home. It must be nice too for the Ayatollahs and Revolutionary
Guards to be able to send volatile hotheads a few countries over to blow off steam and
occasionally fail to return to the motherland. Genuine diplomatic success in Syria has the
potential to be destabilizing in Iran. On the other hand, peace in Syria, leveraged well, can
generate economic opportunity for Iran that could offset such concerns.
There's one thing I'm surprised you didn't point out in this article. It isn't necessary for
the Syrians and Russians to wipe the sky clean of NATO and Israeli aircraft. Western
electorates are very leery about ongoing casualties. They expect John Wick action movie sagas
of the enemy being exterminated like ants while the good guys collect the occasional
photogenic bruise. Even a trickle of losses will erode the public support and political will
to continue (well except for the Israelis). What does an F-35 go for, something like $350M a
copy? Imagine losing even a few of those plus the file photos of the dead or captured pilots.
The US will reportedly provide Israel with more F-35s after Russia supplied Syria with
S-300 missile systems. Moscow's move came in response to the downing of a Russian military
plane, which it partly blamed on Israel.
US President Donald Trump decided to lend a hand to America's most devoted ally
following consultations at the "highest administration and military levels," DEBKAfile, a
military intelligence news site, said to have ties with the Israeli security services,
reported.
1) How many F-35 can the US spare?
2) Does it have to tune them to Mediterranean conditions?
3) What about support infrastructure?
and most importantly
4) Does that mean US pilots will be flying or do the Israeli have enough qualified pilots
on standby?
One effect of this is to make Israel and the US deploy F35s over Syria. That gives the
Russians a good opportunity to study its vulnerabilities.
Naturally, the same goes for whatever variant of S-300 they have deployed, but the F35 is
a $1.4 trillion programme. If, like the F-117A, it is found to be fatally compromised by some
new radar technology, it will be a total disaster for NATO.
The only thing the Israelis have intended was luring the US to open a semi-military base
in Israel so they could set up a false flag attack on it to get the USA to fight their wars
for them.
"... The way it works is, the smearers bait the smearee into defending himself against the defamatory content of the smears. Once the smearee has done that, the smearers have him. From then on, the focus of the debate becomes whether or not the smears are accurate, rather than why he's being smeared, how he's being smeared, and who is smearing him. This is the smearers' primary objective, i.e., to establish the boundaries of the debate, and to trap the target of the smears within them. ..."
"... focus as much attention on the tactics and the motives of the smearers as possible ..."
Because that is precisely how the smear game works.
The way it works is, the smearers bait the smearee into defending himself against the
defamatory content of the smears. Once the smearee has done that, the smearers have him. From
then on, the focus of the debate becomes whether or not the smears are accurate, rather than
why he's being smeared, how he's being smeared, and who is smearing him. This is the smearers'
primary objective, i.e., to establish the boundaries of the debate, and to trap the target of
the smears within them.
If you've followed the fake "Labour Anti-Semitism" scandal, you've witnessed this tactic deployed
against Corbyn , who unfortunately
fell right into the trap and gave the smearers the upper hand. No, the only way to
effectively counter a smear campaign (whether large-scale or small-scale), is to resist the
temptation to profess your innocence, and, instead, focus as much attention on the tactics
and the motives of the smearers as possible . It is difficult to resist this temptation,
especially when the people smearing you have significantly more power and influence than you
do, and are calling you a racist and an anti-Semite, but, trust me, the moment you start
defending yourself, the game is over, and the smearers have won.
Carroll Price says:
October 1, 2018 at 3:52 pm GMT
@Dorian I agree. The me-too crown demanding Brett Kavanagh's head on a platter should have
been shown the door rather than given a worldwide stage from which to spew their hateful
venom.
If there is one thing that still unites Americans across the ever more intellectually
suffocating and bitterly polarized political spectrum our imaginations have been crammed into
like rush hour commuters on the Tokyo Metro, it's our undying love of identity politics.
Who doesn't love identity politics? Liberals love identity politics. Conservatives love
identity politics. Political parties love identity politics. Corporations love identity
politics. Advertisers, anarchists, white supremacists, Wall Street bankers, Hollywood
producers, Twitter celebrities, the media, academia everybody loves identity politics.
Why do we love identity politics? We love them for many different reasons.
The ruling classes love identity politics because they keep the working classes focused on
race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and so on, and not on the fact that they
(i.e., the working classes) are, essentially, glorified indentured servants, who will spend the
majority of their sentient existences laboring to benefit a ruling elite that would gladly
butcher their entire families and sell their livers to hepatitic Saudi princes if they could
get away with it. Dividing the working classes up into sub-groups according to race, ethnicity,
and so on, and then pitting these sub-groups against each other, is extremely important to the
ruling classes, who are, let's remember, a tiny minority of intelligent but physically
vulnerable parasites controlling the lives of the vast majority of human beings on the planet
Earth, primarily by keeping them ignorant and confused.
The political parties love identity politics because they allow them to conceal the fact
that they are bought and paid for by these ruling classes, which, in our day and age, means
corporations and a handful of obscenely wealthy oligarchs who would gut you and your kids like
trout and sell your organs to the highest bidder if they thought they could possibly get away
with it. The political parties employ identity politics to maintain the simulation of
democracy that prevents Americans (many of whom are armed) from coming together, forming a
mob, dismantling this simulation of democracy, and then attempting to establish an actual
democracy, of, by, and for the people, which is, basically, the ruling classes' worst
nightmare. The best way to avoid this scenario is to keep the working classes ignorant and
confused, and at each other's throats over things like pronouns, white privilege, gender
appropriate bathrooms, and the complexion and genitalia of the virtually interchangeable
puppets the ruling classes allow them to vote for.
The corporate media, academia, Hollywood, and the other components of the culture industry
are similarly invested in keeping the vast majority of people ignorant and confused. The folks
who populate this culture industry, in addition to predicating their sense of self-worth on
their superiority to the unwashed masses, enjoy spending time with the ruling classes, and
reaping the many benefits of serving them and, while most of them wouldn't personally
disembowel your kids and sell their organs to some dope-addled Saudi trillionaire scion, they
would look the other way while the ruling classes did, and then invent some sort of convoluted
rationalization of why it was necessary, in order to preserve democracy and freedom (or was
some sort of innocent but unfortunate "blunder," which will never, ever, happen again).
The fake Left loves identity politics because they allow them to pretend to be
"revolutionary" and spout all manner of "militant" gibberish while posing absolutely zero
threat to the ruling classes they claim to be fighting. Publishing fake Left "samizdats" (your
donations to which are tax-deductible), sanctimoniously denouncing racism on Twitter, milking
whatever identity politics scandal is making headlines that day, and otherwise sounding like a
slightly edgier version of National Public Radio, are all popular elements of the fake Left
repertoire.
Marching along permitted parade routes, assembling in designated "free speech areas," and
listening to speeches by fake Left celebrities and assorted Democratic Party luminaries, are
also well-loved fake Left activities. For those who feel the need to be even more militant,
pressuring universities to cancel events where potentially "violent" and "oppressive" speech
acts (or physical gestures) might occur, toppling offensive historical monuments, ratting out
people to social media censors, or masking up and beating the crap out of "street Nazis" are
among the available options. All of these activities, by herding potential troublemakers into
fake Left ghettos and wasting their time, both on- and off-line, help to ensure that the ruling
classes, their political puppets, the corporate media, Hollywood, and the rest of the culture
industry can keep most people ignorant and confused.
Oh, and racists, hardcore white supremacists, anti-Semites, and other far-Right wing nuts my
God, do they love identity politics! Identity politics are their entire worldview (or
Weltanschauung, for you Nazi fetishists). Virtually every social, political, economic, and
ontological phenomenon can be explained by reducing it to race, ethnicity, religion, or some
other simplistic criterion, according to these "alt-Right" geniuses. And to render everything
even more simplistic, each and every one of their simplistic theories can be subsumed into a
meta-simplistic theory, which amounts to (did you guess it?) a conspiracy of Jews.
According to this meta-theory, this conspiracy of Jews (which is headquartered in Israel,
but maintains offices in Los Angeles and New York, from which it controls the corporate media,
Hollywood, and the entire financial sector) is responsible for well, anything they can think
of. September 11 attacks? Conspiracy of Jews. Financial crisis? Jews, naturally. Black on Black
crime? Jews again! Immigration? Globalization? Gun control laws? Abortion? Drugs? Media bias?
Who else could be behind it all but Jews?!
See, the thing is, there is no essential difference between your identity
politics-brainwashed liberal and your Swastika-tattooed white supremacist. Both are looking at
the world through the lens of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or some other type of
"identity." They are looking through this "identity" lens (whichever one it happens to be)
because either they have been conditioned to do so (most likely from the time they were
children) or they have made a conscious choice to do so (after recognizing, and affirming or
rejecting, whatever conditioning they received as children).
Quantum physicists, Sufi fakirs, and certain other esoterics understand what most of us
don't, namely, that there is no such thing as "the Truth," or "Reality," apart from our
perception of it. The world, or "reality," or whatever you want to call it, is more than happy
to transform itself into any imaginable shape and form, based on the lens you are looking at it
through. It's like a trickster in that regard. Look at "reality" through a racist lens, and
everything will make sense according to that logic. Look at it through a social justice lens,
or a Judeo-Christian lens, or a Muslim lens, or a scientific or a Scientologist lens, or a
historical materialist or capitalist lens (it really makes no difference at all) and
abracadabra! A new world is born!
Sadly, most of us never reach the stage in our personal (spiritual?) development where we
are able to make a conscious choice about which lens we want to view the world through. Mostly,
we stick with the lens we were originally issued by our families and societies. Then we spend
the rest of our fleeting lives desperately insisting that our perspective is "the Truth," and
that other perspectives are either "lies" or "errors." The fact that we do this is
unsurprising, as the ruling classes (of whatever society we happened to be born and socialized
into) are intensely invested in issuing everyone a "Weltanschauung lens" that corresponds to
whatever narrative they are telling themselves about why they deserve to be the ruling classes
and we deserve to exist to serve them, fight their wars, pay interest on their loans, not to
mention rent to live on the Earth, which they have claimed as their own and divided up amongst
themselves to exploit and ruin, which they justify with "laws" they invented, which they
enforce with armies, police, and prisons, which they teach us as children to believe is "just
the way life is" but I digress.
So, who doesn't love identity politics? Well, I don't love identity politics. But then I
tend to view political events in the context of enormous, complex systems operating beyond the
level of the individuals and other entities such systems comprise. Thus I've kind of been
keeping an eye on the restructuring of the planet by global capitalism that started in the
early 1990s, following the collapse of the U.S.S.R., when global capitalism (not the U.S.A.)
became the first globally hegemonic system in the history of aspiring hegemonic systems.
Now, this system (i.e., capitalism, not the U.S.A), being globally hegemonic, has no
external enemies, so what it's been doing since it became hegemonic is aggressively
destabilizing and restructuring the planet according to its systemic needs (most notably in the
Middle East, but also throughout the rest of the world), both militarily and ideologically.
Along the way, it has encountered some internal resistance, first, from the Islamic
"terrorists," more recently, from the so-called "nationalists" and "populists," none of whom
seem terribly thrilled about being destabilized, restructured, privatized, and debt-enslaved by
global capitalism, not to mention relinquishing what remains of their national sovereignty, and
their cultures, and so on.
I've been writing about this for over
two years , so I am not going to rehash it all in detail here (this essay is already rather
long). The short version is, what we are currently experiencing (i.e., Brexit, Trump, Italy,
Hungary, et cetera, the whole "populist" or "nationalist" phenomenon) is resistance (an
insurgency, if you will) to hegemonic global capitalism, which is, essentially, a
values-decoding machine, which eliminates "traditional" (i.e., despotic) values (e.g.,
religious, cultural, familial, societal, aesthetic, and other such non-market values) and
replaces them with a single value, exchange value, rendering everything a commodity.
The fact that I happen to be opposed to some of those "traditional" values (i.e., racism,
anti-Semitism, oppression of women, homosexuals, and so on) does not change my perception of
the historical moment, or the sociopolitical, sociocultural, and economic forces shaping that
moment. God help me, I believe it might be more useful to attempt to understand those forces
than to go around pointing and shrieking at anyone who doesn't conform to my personal views
like the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers .
But that's the lens I choose to look through. Maybe I've got it all assbackwards. Maybe what
is really going on is that Russia "influenced" everyone into voting for Brexit and Donald
Trump, and hypnotized them all with those Facebook ads into hating women, people of color,
transsexuals, and the Jews, of course, and all that other "populist" stuff, because the
Russians hate us for our freedom, and are hell-bent on destroying democracy and establishing
some kind of neo-fascist, misogynist, pseudo-Atwoodian dystopia. Or, I don't know, maybe the
other side is right, and it really is all a conspiracy of Jews transsexual, immigrant Jews of
color, who want to force us all to have late-term abortions and circumcise our kids, or
something.
I wish I could help you sort all that out, but I'm just a lowly political satirist, and not
an expert on identity politics or anything. I'm afraid you'll have to pick a lens through which
to interpret "reality" yourself. But then, you already have, haven't you or are you still
looking through the one that was issued to you?
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in
Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing
(USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is
published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org .
Tony Vodvarka says:
October 1, 2018 at 2:01 pm GMT LBJ, running for a seat in the Texas state legislature, told
his campaign manager to spread the charge that his opponent had sex with pigs. Shocked, the
manager replied, "He doesn't do that! "I know, I know" said Johnson, "but make him deny
it."
Satirical but pretty precise description how racial and ethnic smears work
Notable quotes:
"... The way it works is, the smearers bait the smearee into defending himself against the defamatory content of the smears. Once the smearee has done that, the smearers have him. From then on, the focus of the debate becomes whether or not the smears are accurate, rather than why he's being smeared, how he's being smeared, and who is smearing him . This is the smearers' primary objective, i.e., to establish the boundaries of the debate, and to trap the target of the smears within them. ..."
"... No, the only way to effectively counter a smear campaign (whether large-scale or small-scale), is to resist the temptation to profess your innocence, and, instead, focus as much attention on the tactics and the motives of the smearers as possible. ..."
"... It is difficult to resist this temptation, especially when the people smearing you have significantly more power and influence than you do, and are calling you a racist and an anti-Semite, but, trust me, the moment you start defending yourself, the game is over, and the smearers have won. ..."
The life of a professional political satirist is many things, but it is certainly never
boring. Last week, for example, was particularly not boring. OK, I wasn't called before a
Senate committee to testify against a rapey nominee to the highest court in the United States,
or smeared by the right-wing media for doing so, nothing that dramatic or consequential. No,
while most Americans were parsing every "he said" and "she said" of the Kavanaugh hearings, I
was embroiled in my own little sordid drama involving "going public," and smears, and my
colleagues attempting to assassinate my character, and so on.
... ... ...
Because that is precisely how the smear game works. The way it works is, the smearers
bait the smearee into defending himself against the defamatory content of the smears. Once the
smearee has done that, the smearers have him. From then on, the focus of the debate becomes
whether or not the smears are accurate, rather than why he's being smeared, how he's being
smeared, and who is smearing him . This is the smearers' primary objective, i.e., to establish
the boundaries of the debate, and to trap the target of the smears within them.
No, the only way to effectively counter a smear campaign (whether large-scale or
small-scale), is to resist the temptation to profess your innocence, and, instead, focus as
much attention on the tactics and the motives of the smearers as possible.
It is difficult to resist this temptation, especially when the people smearing you have
significantly more power and influence than you do, and are calling you a racist and an
anti-Semite, but, trust me, the moment you start defending yourself, the game is over, and the
smearers have won.
Hopkins is wise not to demean himself by arguing with the smearers that he is not (shudder!)
an anti-Semite. Might as well be called a child-molester. No. We will never be free from
these extortionists until we throw back at them: Who is a Semite? Is Netanyahu a Semite? If
that genocidal murderer is a Semite, then I'm an anti-Semite and proud of it! (He isn't, he
has no more Semitic genes than I have, he's pure East European, a Khazar). Are those rabbis
in Israel who claim that a thousand Arabs aren't worth one Jewish fingernail, Semites? Then,
hell yes, I'm an anti-Semite and proud of it!
Is Rabbi Rav Leor (another European Jew in Israel with no more "right" to the Holy Land than
I have), who claimed in a speech in occupied Jerusalem that the halacha (Jewish law)
"supports the annihilation of non-Jews in Israel" is this man a Semite? "Hashmadat goyem"
(extermination of non-Jews) "is an established principle in Jewish theology", he assured his
audience. He was not rebuked.
Until we assert our righteous indignation, we'll be at the mercy of these freaks forever.
At the mere mention of the dreaded–and overused–"You're anti-Semitic," grown men
have been known to wet their britches.
One can usually tell an article is going to be a hit piece on someone without even reading
said article, just take a look at the picture of the article's subject at the top; if the pic
is a kindly one, showing the person in a positive way, smiling and such, it will not be a hit
piece.
On the other hand, if the pic shows the person in some kind of foul mood, grimacing or
with a confused look on their mug, you can be assured it's going to be a smear of that
person's integrity.
When a certain bunch of digital gangsters want to defame, mock, vilify and smear a person,
they'll call them all sorts of vile stuff; make nasty inferences and make tenuous
associations with neo-Nazis or some real anti-Semites, but rarely do they attack what the
person has said or written, that is dangerous territory and too much work.
Well, aren't we Unz readers the deplorables? I used to read Counterpunch regularly. Then
Cockburn died, and gradually the quality declined. I stopped looking in, and now apparently
the writers I was most interested in -- PCR, Diane Johnstone, Mike Whitney -- are no longer
published there. They are here. Moving from Counterpunch to Unz was simply a step
forward in intellectual growth.
This pretty much nails it for me too. I still click on CP now and then, but I can't help
but noticed the glaring intellectual holes some of those writers left behind.
I doubt I have gone to CounterPunch more than twice, to read anything or just to peruse,
since the passing of Cockburn. I have no doubt that St. Clair means it, with a vengeance,
when he asserts that he cares more for blacks and Jews than for whites. And that is what this
is about.
The kulturkampf is about desire to inflict cultural genocide against the vestiges of
Christendom. It must necessarily be anti-white Gentile because those are the people who
founded and ran Christendom. It therefore also must favor all peoples who are not white
Gentiles. You cannot separate the war against Christendom from the war against whites. Both
the new white pagans and the racially bleeding heart white Christians will refuse to see the
obvious, but facts is facts, and you ignore them to your own destruction.
CJ Hopkins dares not merely to see the vicious absurdities that define the Left as it
moves into utter hysteria but to say what he sees. And for that, he will be ostracized and,
if they are successful, destroyed. The Left does not brook any speech that flies against
seeing the Left of the past and the present as The Good Guy that must not be questioned. More
specific, Hopkins now has fully spotlighted the biggest hypocrisy that the left requires:
seeing and preaching itself as being for the 'little guy,' the working class.
The Left is for the 'little guy' and the working class only when they support the Left in
how it prefers to wage kulturkampf at the time. And that has always been true.
Yes, the Neocons (I use the term in its broader sense which encompasses all the WASP
Country Club empire boys) are just like the Left: each is self-righteously imperialistic, on
a global scale, and each absolutely despises the white working class and every traditional
value and identity associated with them. Each expects, demands, the white working class to be
complacent tax slaves and cannon fodder.
CJ Hopkins must be stopped because he might reveal the con game
LBJ, running for a seat in the Texas state legislature, told his campaign manager to spread
the charge that his opponent had sex with pigs. Shocked, the manager replied, "He doesn't do
that! "I know, I know" said Johnson, "but make him deny it."
The Hegelian Dialectic- Problem, reaction, solution
The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to
generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is
to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been
impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved
in stages one and two.
Well, let's face it. Any political writer or magazine acquiring a significant readership is
eventually faced with the choice of either complying with orders from the Tribe as to what
they can publish, or telling the Tribe to kiss-off and take a long hike.
@Frederick
V. Reed The idea of 'stealth' aircraft is in fact mostly a gimmick designed to enrich the
military contractors it doesn't actually work very well at all, as proved in 1999 when the
Serb air defense, using ancient Soviet surface to air missiles of 1950s vintage, shot down
the USAF F117 aircraft and damaged another that was then written off, and therefore counts as
a kill
–F117 canopy displayed at the Belgrade Aviation Museum
But let's look at the idea of 'low observable' aircraft technology in a little more
detail, and how it may be countered by air defense
Ufimtsev, working at the Moscow Institute of Radio Engineering, developed a coherent
theory on the behavior of radio wave scattering off solid objects he published his seminal
work Method of Edge Waves in the Physical Theory of Diffraction in 1962 the Soviet
military saw no real value in this and allowed it to be published
In 1971, the USAF translated this work into English and a couple of engineers at Lockheed
realized that Ufimtsev had provided the mathematical foundation to predict how radar waves
deflect off an aircraft it was a lightbulb moment the main insight of Ufimtsev's work was
that the size of a radar return was more a function of the edge geometry of the aircraft than
its actual size
Retired USAF Lt Colonel William B O'Connor, who flew the F117 gives a good telling of the
story
here
The end result is that the F117 and B2 were developed by programming Ufimtsev's math into
powerful computers in order to come up with aircraft shaping geometry that minimized radar
reflection subsequent 'low observable' aircraft like the F22 and F35 all build on this basic
physics
Now while the idea of reducing an aircraft's radar return sounds good in principle it has
a lot of real-world drawbacks for instance the shaping can only be optimized for one
particular aspect, such as a head-on if the aircraft turns into a bank for instance its radar
return will increase by as much as 100 fold owing to the simple fact that a banking aircraft
exposes its broad underbelly, which has no way to be optimized to also be 'stealthy' the
shaping cannot accomplish the same result of scattering radio waves off in all directions,
from all angles
There are other challenges the vertical tail surfaces will also bounce back radio waves
this is why a tailless, flying wing design like the B2 is better suited to the task but this
kind of configuration brings with it compromises in aircraft maneuverability and agility
Aside from the aircraft geometry, which is the main means of achieving 'low observability'
there are also special coatings that are designed to 'absorb' radio waves although this is
only of limited effectiveness and depends a lot on the thickness of the rubbery coating I had
the opportunity to physically examine a piece of the wreckage of that F117 shot down in
Serbia, and the thickness and weight of that coating was surprising it was about 1/16 inch
thick in places along the vertical stabilizers and seemed to weigh more than the underlying
composite honeycomb structure itself [typical of Lockheed lightweight structural design]
This additional weight is a major disadvantage of 'stealth' aircraft aircraft must be as
light as possible to perform well that is just basic physics but these logical design
considerations have seemingly been sidelined in what can only be explained as a money-making
gimmick that only detracts from actual aircraft capability
The F35 is far worse of course but Col Riccioni passed away before he could fully train
his guns on this very deficient aircraft
The fact of the matter is that the F117 was more 'stealthy' than the F22 or F35 this due
to its faceted design wherein the airframe shape was defined largely by a series of flat
plates [remember that the whole physics of radio reflection boils down to edge
geometry...]
The current MIC propaganda is that the faceted shape is not necessary due to improved
supercomputers that can calculate the math for curved surfaces well, the physical fact is
that curved surfaces reflect in all directions and no amount of 'supercomputing' can change
that Col Riccioni, who is no slouch in physics, having designed and taught the first
graduate-level course in astronautics at the USAF Academy, confirms that the F117 was a more
'stealthy' design than the F22 and the F35 is considered not as stealthy as the F22
As for defending against 'low observable' aircraft with surface to air missiles [SAMs] let
us review some of the pertinent factors that go into this equation a SAM system consists
basically of powerful radars that spot and track enemy aircraft and guide a missile shot to
the target the only way to kill a SAM system by means of an attacking aircraft is to target
its radars with a special type of missile that homes in on radio signals known as
anti-radiation missiles [HARMs] such as the US AGM88
The problem becomes one of reach how far can the SAM missiles reach and how far can the
HARMs reach ?
A long range SAM like the S300/400 wins this contest easily the S300 can hit targets as
far as 250 km away [400 km for S400] while the best Harms can reach about 150 km at most and
that's if fired at high aircraft speed and altitude so it becomes a question of how do you
get within the SAM missile kill zone to fire your Harm in the first place ?
In the 1999 bombing of Serbia, the US and 18 participating Nato allies mustered over 1,000
aircraft and fired a total of over 700 Harms at Serb air defenses, over the course of 78 days
but managed to knock out only three 1970s era mobile SAM units the 2K12 'Kub'
This campaign was truly a David vs Goliath match, yet the Serbs effectively fought the
alliance to a draw
NATO never fully succeeded in neutralizing the Serb IADS [integrated air defense
system], and NATO aircraft operating over Serbia and Kosovo were always within the
engagement envelopes of enemy SA-3 and SA-6 missiles -- envelopes that extended as high as
50,000 feet.
Because of that persistent threat, mission planners had to place such high-value
surveillance-and-reconnaissance platforms as the U-2 and JSTARS in less-than-ideal orbits
to keep them outside the lethal reach of enemy SAMs.
Even during the operation's final week, NATO spokesmen conceded that they could confirm
the destruction of only three of Serbia's approximately 25 known mobile SA-6
batteries.'
Lambeth notes that things could have been much different had the Serbs had the S300
'One SA-10/12 [early S300 variant] site in Belgrade and one in Pristina could have
provided defensive coverage over all of Serbia and Kosovo. They also could have threatened
Rivet Joint, Compass Call, and other key allied aircraft such as the airborne command and
control center and the Navy's E-2C operating well outside enemy airspace.
Fortunately for NATO, the Serb IADS did not include the latest-generation SAM equipment
currently available on the international arms market.'
Since 1999, the last major SEAD [suppression of enemy air defense] operation by Nato the
Russian air defense capabilities have only become more lethal the radars employed on the
S300/400 series are phased array types which are very difficult to jam and much more precise
in guiding a missile to the target
Phased array means that instead of a parabolic dish, the antenna consists of several
thousand individual antenna elements that are electronically steered in order to create a
very precise radar beam [instead of a dish antenna being mechanically rotated and tilted]
'With electronic beam steering, very low sidelobes and a narrow pencil beam mainlobe,
the 30N6 phased array is more difficult to detect and track by an aircraft's warning
receiver when not directly painted by the radar, and vastly more difficult to jam.
While it may have detectable backlobes, these are likely to be hard to detect from the
forward sector of the radar. As most anti-radiation missiles rely on sidelobes to home in,
the choice of engagement geometry is critical in attempting to kill a Flap Lid.'
Shown is the latest generation 92N6 'Grave Stone' engagement radar used with S300/400
systems the engagement radar actually guides the missile shot, while separate early warning
and acquisition and tracking radars first detect the target, then cue the engagement radar to
point to the target and guide the missile shot
In this scenario the weakest link of the S200 is eliminated its obsolete parabolic dish
type engagement radar the S200 missile is instead guided to the target by the formidable new
S300/400 radars
'In this arrangement, an SA-20/21 system with its high power aperture and highly jam
resistant acquisition and engagement radars prosecutes an engagement, but rather than
launching its organic 48N6 series missile rounds, it uses the SA-5 Gammon round instead
The challenge which a hybrid SA-5/SA-20/SA-21 system presents is considerable. The
SA-20/21 battery is highly mobile, and with modern digital frequency hopping radars, will
be difficult to jam.
Soft kill and hard kill become problematic. In terms of defeating the SA-5 component of
the hybrid, the only option is to jam the missile CW homing seeker, the effectiveness of
which will depend entirely on the vintage of the 5G24N series seeker and the capabilities
of the jamming equipment. If the customer opts for an upgrade to the seeker electronics,
the seeker may be digital and very difficult to jam.'
This could be the most important part of the story, since the Syrians have a large number
of S200 systems it is certain that a number of additional S300/400 radars have been delivered
as part of that '49 pieces' reported in Russian media and these powerful and fully mobile
radars [truck mounted] will be used to modernize the S200 network
It is worth noting also that SAM mobility is a key advance of the S300/400 systems the
various radars and the missile launchers are all mounted on large trucks and are designed for
five minute shoot and scoot this mobility proved key to the Nato difficulty with Serbian
SAMs, even though those old systems were not designed for that, but the Serbs nonetheless
would dismantle and move the fixed radars and launchers on a regular basis
In order to attack a SAM with an aircraft you first have to know where it is the only way
to know is when it turns on its radar at which point it may be too late if it is pointed at
you after taking the shot, the whole thing packs up and moves in five minutes flat [the
Patriot takes 30 minutes by comparison]
It should be noted here that these mobile Russian search and acquisition radars are
extremely powerful the 'Big Bird' series is in the same class as the Aegis radar mounted on
USN missile cruisers and destroyers
'The 64N6E Big Bird is the key to much of the improved engagement capability, and
ballistic missile intercept capability in the later S-300P variants.
This system operates in the 2 GHz band and is a phased array with a 30% larger aperture
than the US Navy SPY-1 Aegis radar, even accounting for its slightly larger wavelength it
amounts to a mobile land based Aegis class package. It has no direct equivalent in the
West.'
The final piece of the puzzle when it comes to countering 'stealth' aircraft is a special
category of radar designed specifically for that purpose these operate at much lower
frequencies [ie longer wavelength] which renders the stealth shaping useless since the
physics dictates that aircraft features shorter than the radar wavelength cannot produce the
desired scattering effect as Col Riccioni notes
[The F22's] radar signature is admittedly small in the forward quarter but only to
airborne radars. The aircraft is detectable by high-power, low-frequency ground based
radars
it is physically impossible to design shapes and radar absorptive material to
simultaneously defeat low power, high-frequency enemy fighter radars, and high power,
low-frequency ground based radars.'
The system uses a series of radars of varying wavelength each mounted on a mobile chassis
as with all the modern Russian SAM radars the long wavelength radar finds the 'stealth'
target easily and then cues a shorter wavelength radar to further pinpoint the target, which,
in turn, cues the engagement radar that guides the missile shot
Shown is such a deployment of three radars and a command vehicle in the background
All told, the upgrade of the Syrian air defenses now presents a very formidable system it
should be noted that the S200 missile when used with these powerful radars could be an
especially deadly combination this rocket was until 2009 the longest range SAM rocket in the
world, with a maximum range of up to 375 km
Unlike modern SAM missiles that use solid propellant rocket motors [basically a bottle
rocket] the S200 uses a real liquid fuel rocket engine it has a top speed of 2.5 km/s which
is actually faster than the S400 rockets and the liquid engine means it can be throttled to
decrease or increase its speed [minimum flying speed is 700 m/s] something that a solid
rocket cannot do
In the right hands, this combination of advanced S300 radars and the superb kinematic
performance of the S200 missile could be a deadly combination the fact that Syria has a lot
of these S200 missiles means that adding those S300 radars makes it a whole new ballgame we
already saw back in February when an S200 shot down an Israeli F16 in Israeli airspace there
are unconfirmed reports that a second aircraft was hit and possibly destroyed
The question of Israeli F35s trying to attack these mobile S300 SAMs is not really a
serious consideration for any air combat practitioner the F35 has terrible flight
characteristics such as very high wing loading, which directly affects its turning ability
[think of running with a 100 lb backpack and how that might affect your maneuverability]
The basic flight physics of this airplane are terrible, as many qualified experts have
pointed out it would be difficult to envisage how it could play a role in mounting an attack
against these Syrian S300s
The only realistic option to attack such an air defense zone would be to use the
mountainous terrain along the Levant coast and fly a nap of the earth mission with highly
maneuverable fighters like the F15 and F16 to try to hide from radar in the mountains and get
close enough to deliver a Harm missile to an S300 radar
But this would be a very risky mission especially considering that the Russians are flying
their AWACS planes over Syria, so even terrain following is not going to work in trying to
hide
Because that is precisely how the smear game works. The way it works is, the smearers bait
the smearee into defending himself against the defamatory content of the smears. Once the
smearee has done that, the smearers have him. From then on, the focus of the debate becomes
whether or not the smears are accurate, rather than why he's being smeared, how he's being
smeared, and who is smearing him .
This is the smearers' primary objective, i.e., to establish the boundaries of the debate,
and to trap the target of the smears within them. If you've followed the fake "Labour
Anti-Semitism" scandal, you've witnessed this tactic deployed against
Corbyn , who unfortunately
fell right into the trap and gave the smearers the upper hand.
No, the only way to effectively counter a smear campaign (whether large-scale or
small-scale), is to resist the temptation to profess your innocence, and, instead, focus as
much attention on the tactics and the motives of the smearers as possible . It is
difficult to resist this temptation, especially when the people smearing you have significantly
more power and influence than you do, and are calling you a racist and an anti-Semite, but,
trust me, the moment you start defending yourself, the game is over, and the smearers have
won.
@Justsaying The evidence is that before Cockburn died Counterpunch would routinely
publish articles which were basically honest about Israel (ie not terribly flattering) and
now does not (as it states in the article above viewpoints of the extreme left and right ie
genuine critique will not be tolerated so only critique from inside established paradigms
will be allowed-just like every other media outlet).
Counterpunch used to be outside of the Jewish paradigm (ie it was genuinely leftist) but
now will be just another gelded publication. Cockburn did a good job of fending off
criticism-Counterpunch was a rather niche publication so it flew under the radar of the
Jews.
Counterpunch was routinely critical of the neocons and even pointed out their Jewishness
but a lot of liberal Jews did not like the neocons. Israel was and is the real litmus
test.
The Guardian always had Alan Rusbridger who I beleive was Jewish. It is not exactly funded
by Jewish money- it mainly subsists off of government departments advertising public sector
jobs. Before the rise of the internet and gumtree etc it was mainly funded by sales of
autotrader a car trading magazine (lol at the nost po faced anti pollution newspaper being
funded by the sales of cars).
What changed is that the Jews are no longer able to control the narrative- they used to
feel they could afford semi-critical comments about Israel before but not any more. This has
gone hand in hand with increased efforts to censor the internet. The Jews were able to
infiltrate BDS and subvert it, they were able to use their explicit power to pass anti BDS
laws but they were not able to really turn the tide of public opinion. They have resorted to
outright censorship.
As you say it is not suprising that Counterpunch was taken over any
publication/organisation that wants to work outside of established Jewish limits on
intellectual discourse will eventually be subverted. Just look at the British Labour party.
Corbyn is an old school lefists (ie he wants to give people options other than the new labour
globalist neo liberalism) and a very principaled one. He stands up for the Palestinians (some
people say he just does this because of his Muslim constituents but that is not the case-he
has always stood up for them) and as a result has been smeared time and time again by the
Jewish press.
There is a power struggle in the Labour party (Muslim ethnics weight of numbers vs Jewish
money) and it looks like the Jews will win.
It's very sad and like I said I hope the new Counterpunch will fold leaving Cockburn's
histroy of excellent journalism unsullied.
strip away the right of Corprati0ns to have the legal standing of a person in a Court of
Law .
when we could just abolish the institution of incorporation without remorse? This
would like treating a cause of widespread disease with an ounce of inexpensive
prevention.
Buh-bye limited liability parasitism. Buh-bye rootless, world-wandering capital with scant
interest in the hosts' long-term wellbeing.
I suppose that there would be a shrill outcry of protest from the many little fire teams,
squads, and platoons of mind rapists (e.g. A. Cockburn) who have a career interest in
complaining for a living. But so what? It would be fun to watch "social justice" factions
twist and squirm as a chorus of abolitionists asks why the "Resistance" never resisted
"corporatocracy" with abolitionism. The rapists will "spew" much sanctimonious b.s.
defensively between artful meals in nice restaurants, but the chorus will know a real
reason. Lefty humanist finds incorporation very useful for cultivating the intense
concentration of wealth and power which he pretends to oppose.
Eventually the chorus will get around to asking lefty internationalist about his
contemporary plans to merge every firm with government without looking like an old fashioned
commie expropriationist. The chorus might ask the mind rapists still more embarassing
questions:
Righteous Lefty, why would you establish incorporation now if it wasn't a feature of
commerce already? Because you would not then have a little handful of company shares to
trade in a stock exchange? Nor be planning to exploit a stock tip from an ally who is
married to a corporate go-getter with C-level knowledge of plans?
Traditional labor unions, TOO, have been involved with the racketeering of incorporation.
Take the UMWA, for example. Where in the eleven points of its constitution is there any hint
that labor organizers and their Blair Mountain warriors were thinking about abolishing a
pernicious institution which had done so much to slant market power in favor of neverlaboring
mine operators?
It's been obvious for some time that the allegedly right wing "ALT RIGHT" is another
faction with little interest in getting rid of the corporation. It is sympathetic,
however, to old fashioned communist schemes like "Social Security" and communist health care
finance. So what, um, pecuniary interest does its leading lights have in maintaining the
incorporated status quo? Explain, please.
If there is one thing that still unites Americans across the ever more intellectually
suffocating and bitterly polarized political spectrum our imaginations have been crammed into
like rush hour commuters on the Tokyo Metro, it's our undying love of identity politics.
Who doesn't love identity politics? Liberals love identity politics. Conservatives love
identity politics. Political parties love identity politics. Corporations love identity
politics. Advertisers, anarchists, white supremacists, Wall Street bankers, Hollywood
producers, Twitter celebrities, the media, academia everybody loves identity politics.
Why do we love identity politics? We love them for many different reasons.
The ruling classes love identity politics because they keep the working classes focused on
race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and so on, and not on the fact that they
(i.e., the working classes) are, essentially, glorified indentured servants, who will spend the
majority of their sentient existences laboring to benefit a ruling elite that would gladly
butcher their entire families and sell their livers to hepatitic Saudi princes if they could
get away with it. Dividing the working classes up into sub-groups according to race, ethnicity,
and so on, and then pitting these sub-groups against each other, is extremely important to the
ruling classes, who are, let's remember, a tiny minority of intelligent but physically
vulnerable parasites controlling the lives of the vast majority of human beings on the planet
Earth, primarily by keeping them ignorant and confused.
The political parties love identity politics because they allow them to conceal the fact
that they are bought and paid for by these ruling classes, which, in our day and age, means
corporations and a handful of obscenely wealthy oligarchs who would gut you and your kids like
trout and sell your organs to the highest bidder if they thought they could possibly get away
with it. The political parties employ identity politics to maintain the simulation of
democracy that prevents Americans (many of whom are armed) from coming together, forming a
mob, dismantling this simulation of democracy, and then attempting to establish an actual
democracy, of
The corporate media, academia, Hollywood, and the other components of the culture industry
are similarly invested in keeping the vast majority of people ignorant and confused. The folks
who populate this culture industry, in addition to predicating their sense of self
Oh, and racists, hardcore white supremacists, anti-Semites, and other far-Right wing nuts my
God, do they love identity politics! Identity politics are their entire worldview (or
Weltanschauung, for you Nazi fetishists). Virtually every social, political, economic, and
ontological phenomenon can be explained by reducing it to race, ethnicity, religion, or some
other simplistic criterion, according to these "alt-Right" geniuses. And to render everything
even more simplistic, each and every one of their simplistic theories can be subsumed into a
meta-simplistic theory, which amounts to (did you guess it?) a conspiracy of Jews.
According to this meta-theory, this conspiracy of Jews (which is headquartered in Israel,
but maintains offices in Los Angeles and New York, from which it controls the corporate media,
Hollywood, and the entire financial sector) is responsible for well, anything they can think
of. September 11 attacks? Conspiracy of Jews. Financial crisis? Jews, naturally. Black on Black
crime? Jews again! Immigration? Globalization? Gun control laws? Abortion? Drugs? Media bias?
Who else could be behind it all but Jews?!
"Also do not forget that all invisible stuff that US army had during the Clinton/HRC era,
were easily visible. F-117 in Serbia,"
See: Comment #43: (very detailed, links to open source US mil docs)
"The idea of 'stealth' aircraft is in fact mostly a gimmick designed to enrich the
military contractors it doesn't actually work very well at all, as proved in 1999 when the
Serb air defense, using ancient Soviet surface to air missiles of 1950s vintage, shot down
the USAF F117 aircraft and damaged another that was then written off, and therefore counts as
a kill "
Thanks for that link. That's an essay in itself, and I'm still reading it. Fascinating and
valuable background on stealth.
First takeaway for me is that the Russians invented stealth but considered it
impracticable at the time. The US designers took the Russian equations and ran with them,
throwing out many other considerations of plane-worthiness in order to promote this dud of a
magic bullet.
As b wrote in Moon of Alabama blog: "The anti-Kavanaugh strategy by the Democratic Party leadership was an utter
failure. They could have emphasized his role in the Patriot Act, the Bush torture regime and his earlier lies to Congress to
disqualify him. Instead they used the fake
grievance culture
against him which allowed Trump to do what he does best - wield victimhood
(vid, recommended).
Notable quotes:
"... The Democrats and their feminist allies failed the country in their approach to the Kavanaugh hearing. Instead of finding out whether Kavanaugh believes in the unitary executive theory that the president has powers unaccountable to Congress and the Judiciary and agrees that a Justice Department underling, a Korean immigrant, can write secret memos that permit the president to violate the US Constitution, US statutory law, and international treaties, the Democrats' entire focus was on a vague and unsubstantiated accusation that Kavanaugh when 17 years old and under the influence of alcohol tussled fully clothed with a fully clothed 15 year old girl in a bed at an unchaperoned house party. ..."
"... Feminists turned this vague accusation missing in crucial details into "rape," with a crazed feminist Georgetown University professor declaring Kavanaugh to be "a serial rapist" who along with the Senate Judiciary Committee's male members should be given agonizing deaths and then castrated and fed to swine. ..."
"... A presstitute at USA Today suggested that Kavanaugh was a pedophile and should not be allowed to coach his daughter's sports team. On the basis of nothing real, a Supreme Court nominee's reputation was squandered. ..."
The Democrats and their feminist allies failed the country in their approach to the
Kavanaugh hearing. Instead of finding out whether Kavanaugh believes in the unitary executive
theory that the president has powers unaccountable to Congress and the Judiciary and agrees
that a Justice Department underling, a Korean immigrant, can write secret memos that permit the
president to violate the US Constitution, US statutory law, and international treaties, the
Democrats' entire focus was on a vague and unsubstantiated accusation that Kavanaugh when 17
years old and under the influence of alcohol tussled fully clothed with a fully clothed 15 year
old girl in a bed at an unchaperoned house party.
Feminists turned this vague accusation missing in crucial details into "rape," with a
crazed feminist Georgetown University professor declaring Kavanaugh to be "a serial rapist" who
along with the Senate Judiciary Committee's male members should be given agonizing deaths and
then castrated and fed to swine.
A presstitute at USA Today suggested that Kavanaugh was a pedophile and should not be
allowed to coach his daughter's sports team. On the basis of nothing real, a Supreme Court
nominee's reputation was squandered.
There are important issues before the United States having to do with the very soul of the
country. They involve constitutional and separation of powers constraints on executive branch
powers and the protection of US civil liberty. Important books, such as Charlie Savage's
Takeover have been written about the Cheney-Bush successful assault on the principle
that the president is accountable under law. Can the executive branch torture despite domestic
and international laws against torture? Can the executive branch spy on citizens without
warrants and cause, despite laws and constitutional prohibitions to the contrary? Can the
executive branch detain citizens indefinitely despite habeas corpus, despite the US
Constitution's prohibition? Can the executive branch kill US citizens without due process of
law, despite the US Constitution's prohibition? Dick Cheney and University of California law
professor John Yoo say "yes the president can."
Instead of using the opportunity to find out if Kavanaugh stood for liberty or unbridled
presidential power, feminist harpies indulged in an orgy of man-hate.
And it wasn't just the RadFem harpies. It was the entire liberal/progresive/left which has
discredited itself even more than the crazed feminist Georgetown University professor, who, by
the way, unlike what would have been required of a heterosexual male, did not have to apologize
and was not fired as a male would have been.
There is now a "funding platform" endorsed by liberal/progressive/left websites that claims
to have raised $3 million to unseat Senator Susan Collins for voting, after hearing all the
scant evidence, to confirm Kavanaugh. Websites such as Commondreams, CounterPunch, OpEdNews are
losing their credibility as they mire themselves in divisive Identity Politics in which
everyone is innocent except the white heterosexual male. Precisely at the time when Trump's
capture by the Zionist neoconservative warmongers needs protests and opposition as the US is
being driven to war with Iran, Russia, and China, there is no opposition as the United States
dissolves into the hatreds spawned by Identity Politics.
To see how absurd the RadFem/liberal/progressive/left is, let's assume that the vague,
unsubstantiated accusation that is 30 to 40 years late against Kavanaugh is true. Let's assume
that the encounter of bed tussling occurred. If rape was the intention, why wasn't she raped? I
suggest a likely scenario. There is an unchaperoned house party. Alcohol is present. The
accuser admits to drinking beer with boys in a house with access to bedrooms. The accused
assumes, which would have been a normal assumption in the 1980s, that the girl is available.
Otherwise, why is she there? So he tries her, and she is not. So he gives up and lets her go.
How is this a serious sexual offense?
Even if the accused had persisted and raped his accuser, how does this crime compare to the
enormous extraordinary horrific crimes against humanity resulting in the destruction in whole
or part of eight countries and millions of human beings during the Clinton, Cheney-Bush, Obama,
and Trump regimes?
There has been no accountability for these obvious and undeniable crimes. Why are not
feminists and presidents of Catholic Universities such as Georgetown and Catholic University in
Washington, and the Democratic members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the US media, and
the liberal/progressive/left websites concerned about real crimes instead of make-believe ones?
What has happened to our country that nothing that really matters ever becomes part of public
notice?
US administrations have not only murdered, maimed, orphaned, and dislocated millions of
totally innocent human beings, but also the evil and corrupt US government, protected by the
presstitute media, which is devoid of character and integrity, has tortured in violation of
United States law hundreds of innocents sold to it under the US bounty system in Afghanistan,
when the Cheney-Bush regime desperately needed "terrorists" to justify its war based on nothing
but its lies.
All sorts of totally innocent people were tortured by sadistic US government personnel who
delighted in making people under their power suffer. These were unprotected people picked up by
war lords in response to Washington's offer of a bounty for "terrorists" and sold to the
Americans. The victims included aid workers, traveling salesmen, unprotected visitors, and
others who lacked protection from being misrepresented as "terrorists" in order to be sold for
$5,000 so that Dick Cheney and the criminal Zionist neocons would have some "terrorists" to
show to justify their war crime.
ORDER IT NOW
The utterly corrupt US media was very reticent about telling Americans that close to 100% of
the "world's most dangerous terrorists," in the words of the criminal US Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld, were released as innocent of all
The official story, says the expert, is "stupidity on stupidity."
I agree with him.
The question is: Why did the British government think that they could get away with such an
obvious hoax? The answer is that the people in Western countries don't know anything about
anything. They live in a world in which their reality is a product of the propaganda fed to
them by "news organizations" and Hollywood movies. They only receive controlled explanations.
Therefore, they know nothing about how anything really functions. Read the account by the
Israeli expert to understand the vast difference between the British government's hoax and the
reality of how an assassination is conducted.
The Israeli expert got me to wondering why the British government thought anyone would fall
for such a transparently false story. Having just read David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth
Woodworth's new book, 9/11 Unmasked , and David Ray Griffin's 2017 book, Bush and
Cheney: How They Runed America and the World , the answer became obvious. The British
government had watched the idiot Western populations fall for the official 9/11 conspiracy
story in which a few Saudi Arabians, who could not fly airplanes and without the support of any
intelligence agency, caused the entire security apparatus ot the United States to fail utterly,
and no one was held responsible for the total failure. The British government concluded that
anyone who could possibly believe such an obviously false story would believe anything.
I remember coming to that conclusion years ago before the official conspiracy theory in the
9/11 Commission Report was blown to pieces by thousands of scientists, structural engineers,
high-rise architects, military and civilian pilots, first responders on the scene, and a large
number of former high government officials both in the US and abroad.
At first I did not connect the zionist neoconservatives' plot, outlined in their public
writings (for example, Norman Podhorttz in Commentary ) to destroy 7 Middle Eastern
countries in five years (also described by General Wesley Clark) and their statement that they
needed a "new Pearl Harbor" to implement their plan, with the attack on the World Trade Center.
But as I watched the twin towers blow up floor by floor it was completely obvious that these
were not builldings falling down due to asymetrical structural damage and limited, low
temperature office fires that probably did not even warm the massive steel structure to the
point of being warm to the touch. When you watch the videos you see buildings blowing up. It is
as clear as day. You see each floor blow. You see steel beams and other debris fly out the
sides as projectiles. It is amazing that any human is so completely stupid as to think what he
is seeing with his own eyes are buildings falling down from structural damage. But it required
many years before half of the American people realized that the official account was pure
bullshit.
Today polls indicate that a majority of people do not believe the official 9/11 propaganda
any more than they believe the Warren Commission Report on the assassination of President John
F. Kennedy, the alleged Gulf of Tonkin attack, or the report from Admiral McCain (father of
John) erasing Israel's responsibility for the destruction of the USS Liberty and its crew
during LBJ's administration, or that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, or Iran
had nukes, or the many lies about about Syria, Libya's Gaddafi, or Somalia, or Yemen, or the
"Russian invasion of Georgia," the "Russian invasion of Ukraine." But at each time the idiot
population, no matter how many times they had learned that the governments lied to them
initially believed the next lie, thereby permitting the lie to become fact. Thus, the idiot
Western populations created their own world of controlled explanations.
Only a deranged person could believe anything any Western government says. But the Western
world has a huge number of deranged people. There are plenty of them to validate the next
official lie. The ignorant fools make it possible for Western governments to continue their
policy of lies that are driving the world to extinction in a war with Russia and China.
Perhaps I am being too hard on the insouciant Western populations. Ron Unz is no moron. Yet
he accepted the transparently false 9/11 story until he started to pay attention. Once he paid
attention, he realized it was false. http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-911-conspiracy-theories/
Like myself, Ron Unz has noticed that the 9/11 Truth movement has succeeded in totally
discrediting the official 9/11 story. But the unanswered question remains: Who did it?
Unz says it was Israel, not Bush & Cheney. This is also the position of Christopher
Bollyn. It seems certain that Israel was involved. We have the fact of the Mossad agents caught
celebrating as they filmed the collalpse of the WTC towers. Obviously, they knew in advance and
were set up ready to film. Later they were shown on Israeli TV where they stated that they had
been sent to film the destruction of the buildings.
We also have the fact of the large profits made by someone that the US government continues
to protect on shorting the stock of the airlines, the planes of which were allegely
hijacked.
In other words, the 9/11 attack was known in advance, as was the destruction of WTC building
7 as evidenced by the BBC reporter standing in front of the still standing building accouncing
its destruction about a half hour before it occurred.
Unz and Bollyn's case against Israel is powerful. I agree with Unz that George W. Bush was
not part of the plot. If he had been, he would have been on the scene directing America's
heroic response to the first, and only, terrorist attack on America. lnstead, Bush was moved
out of the way, and kept out of the way, while Cheney handled the situation.
I understand what Unz is doing by focusing attention on the main beneficiary of the hoax
9/11 story. However Cheney and his corporation, Halliburton, also benefitted. Halliburton
received large municifient US government contracts for services in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Cheney, as David Ray Griffen proves, achieved his aim of elevating the executive branch above
the US Constitution and statutory US law.
Moreover, it was impossible for Mossad to pull off such an attack without high level support
in the US government. Only a US official could have ordered the numerous simulations of the
attack underway in order to confuse the air traffic controllers and the US Air Force.
I understand what Unz is doing by focusing attention on the main beneficiary of the hoax
9/11 story. However Cheney and his corporation, Halliburton, also benefitted. Halliburton
received large municifient US government contracts for services in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Cheney, as David Ray Griffen proves, achieved his aim of elevating the executive branch above
the US Constitution and statutory US law.
Moreover, it was impossible for Mossad to pull off such an attack without high level support
in the US government. Only a US official could have ordered the numerous simulations of the
attack underway in order to confuse the air traffic controllers and the US Air Force.
The Israeli government could not have ordered the destruction of the crime scene, opposed by
the New York fire marshall as a felony. This required US government authority. The steel beams,
which showed all sorts of distortions that could only have been caused by nano-thermite were
quickly sent to Asia for reprocessing. The intense fires and molten rubble in the buildings'
remains six weeks after their collapse never received an official explanation. To this day, no
one has explained how low-temperature, smothered office fires that burned for one hour or less
melted or weakened massive steel beams and produced molten steel six weeks afterward.
Unz is correct that Israel made out like a bandit. Israel as a result of 9/11 got rid of
half of the constraints on its expansion. Only Syria and Iran remain, and the Trump regime is
pushing hard for Israel, even against Russia, a government that at its will can completely
destroy the United States and Israel, something that much of the world wishes would happen.
Unz is correct that right now the totally evil and corrupt US and Israeli governments have
the entire world on the path to extinction. However, he omits American responsibility, that of
the evil Dick Cheney, the Zionist neconservatives who are Israel's Fifth Column in America, and
the utter insouciance of the American people who do not show enough intelligence or awareness
to warrant their survival.
"... Like with a fantasy novel, the reader gets all the thrills of an epic battle while being certain that the evil empires will never triumph. An attractive form of propaganda, to be certain. ..."
IMO the US Government's propaganda is structured to along the lines of a fantasy novel. The propaganda is designed to convince
the public of two inherently contradictory ideas:
1) that the country is surrounded on vast sides by vast hostile empires that threaten everything we hold dear and
2) despite these dire threats, the country cannot really be harmed because of "our freedoms."
Like with a fantasy novel, the reader gets all the thrills of an epic battle while being certain that the evil empires
will never triumph. An attractive form of propaganda, to be certain.
IMO the US Government's propaganda is structured to along the lines of a fantasy novel.
Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Oct 5, 2018 8:52:41 AM | 1
Whatever is alleged by the US, UK, Netherlands, France et al, if you point in the opposite direction it will probably do. They
falsely accuse others of whatever they in fact do themselves.
Enrico Malatesta | Oct 5, 2018 10:28:08 AM | 7
@Timothy Hagios | Oct 5, 2018 8:52:41 AM | 1
Think I've read it - "Orange Storm Rising" by Clancy Bear
An element of the Skripal poisoning saga in Britain (the Novichok) was lifted from the TV
series "Strikeback" screening in the country in November 2017 and February 2018. I have seen
something on the Internet (but can't find the link) that said the subplot with the abandoned
perfume bottle that contained poison was also taken from a TV show.
Prepare to be unsurprised then when the people who write propaganda for The Powers That
Should Not Be turn out to be the same people who write scripts for Hollywood films and TV
shows. A lot of these people also write novels or teach creative writing courses.
We really do seem to be living in a society where mythology and fantasy are becoming more
prominent than facts and analysis in decision-making.
White people who voted for Trump for his Supreme Court list have been duped so many times.
First, when Trump promised us "America First!" Voters, apparently content to trust mere
words, have ignored Trump's apparent definition of "America First!" as "America has the right
to antagonize Iran and Russia, and launch pointless attacks upon Syria." Second, when Trump
added Kavanaugh's name to a list of judges after he had gotten into office. Third, when Trump
negotiated with scum Anthony Kennedy, who obviously demanded a Kavanaugh nomination in
exchange for his retirement.
Christine Ford is, quite frankly, a distraction from the real intrigue: how Donald Trump
motivated his base to support a candidate from the elitist wing.
But good luck finding conservatives with the balls to publicly point out the truth: the
President we elected has stabbed us in the back with an establishment nomination.
Both sides seem to be interested in the truth , only in so far as it serves their
respective political agenda's. Nothing more.
I was not particularly impressed with the testimony from either Judge Kavanaugh or Dr.
Ford.
I thought the Judge was too angry , whining, and evasive, when he could have been much
more precise and pointed in his responses. I was not a big fan of the "calendar"story (true
or not) nor his responses to an FBI investigation.
Unfortunately, scientific research negates the notion that forgotten memories exist
somewhere in the brain and can be accessed in pristine form.
Granted, we don't know whether She Who Must Never Be Questioned recovered the
Judge-Kavanaugh memory in therapy. That's because, well, she must never be questioned.
Questioning the left's latest sacred cow is forbidden. Bovine
Republicans blindly obey.
I happened to have covered and thoroughly researched the "recovered
memory ruse," in 1999. Contrary to the trend, one of my own heroes is not Christine
Blah-Blah Ford, but a leading world authority on memory, Elizabeth Loftus.
Professor Loftus, who straddles two professorships -- one in law, the other in psychology --
had come to Vancouver, British Columbia, to testify on behalf of a dedicated Richmond educator,
a good man, who had endured three trials, the loss of a career and financial ruin because of
the Crown's attempts to convict him of sexual assault based on memories recovered in
therapy.
I attended. I was awed.
Over decades of research, Loftus has planted many a false memory in the minds of her
research subjects, sometimes with the aid of nothing more than a conversation peppered with
some suggestions.
"A tone of voice, a phrasing of a question, subtle non-verbal signals, and expressions of
boredom, impatience or fascination" -- these are often all it takes to plant suggestions in the
malleable human mind.
Loftus does not question the prevalence of the sexual abuse of children or the existence of
traumatic memories. What she questions are memories commonly referred to as repressed:
"Memories that did not exist until someone went looking for them."
Suffice it to say, that the memory recovery process is a therapeutic confidence trick that
has wreaked havoc in thousands of lives.
Moreover, repression, the sagging concept that props up the recovered memory theory is
without any cogent scientific support. The 30-odd studies the recovery movement uses as proof
for repression do not make the grade. These studies are retrospective memory studies which rely
on self-reports with no independent, factual corroboration of information.
Sound familiar? Dr. Ford (and her hippocampus), anyone?
Even in the absence of outside influence, memory deteriorates rapidly. "As time goes by,"
writes Loftus in her seminal book, "The Myth of Repressed Memories," "the weakened memories are
increasingly vulnerable to post-event information."
What we see on TV, read and hear about events is incorporated into memory to create an
unreliable amalgam of fact and fiction.
After an extensive investigation, the British Royal College of Psychiatrists issued a ban
prohibiting its members from using any method to recover memories of child abuse. Memory
retrieval techniques, say the British guidelines, are dangerous methods of persuasion.
"Recovered memories," inveighed Alan Gold, then president of the Canadian Criminal Lawyers
Association, "are joining electroshock, lobotomies and other psychiatric malpractice in the
historical dustbin."
Not that you'd know it from the current climate of sexual hysteria, but the courts in the
U.S. had responded as well by ruling to suppress the admission of all evidence remembered under
therapy.
Altogether it seems as clear in 2018, as it was in 1999 :
Memories that have been excavated during therapy have no place in a court of law. Or, for that
matter, in a Senate Committee that shapes the very same justice system.
It is idiotic to write a piece talking about recovered memories in this context.
Agree: Mercer's approach to Ford's hippocampus is idiotic.
Also appears to be neurologically off-base; there's a much stronger refutation to
Perfesser Ford's dazzling psychological explanation: alcohol wreaks havoc on the hippocampus
–
She can't remember the house she was in or how she got there/got home because her
hippocampus was suffering alcohol poisoning.
She did poorly in subsequent high school and in early years in college because her
hippocampus was pickled.
Alcohol, Memory, and the Hippocampus
[In adolescents] . . . cognitive processes are exquisitely sensitive to the effects of
chemicals such as alcohol. Among the most serious problems is the disruption of memory, or
the ability to recall information that was previously learned. When a person drinks
alcohol, (s)he can have a "blackout."
A blackout can involve a small memory disruption, like forgetting someone's name, or it can
be more serious -- the person might not be able to remember key details of an event that
happened while drinking. An inability to remember the entire event is common when a person
drinks 5 or more drinks in a single sitting ("binge").
. . . The ability of alcohol to cause short term memory problems and blackouts is due to
its effects on an area of the brain called the hippocampus. The hippocampus is a structure
that is vital to learning and the formation of memory.
-- -
Mercer's assessment seems to have been skewed in order to promote Mercer's 1999 work on
the Loftus case...
The whole hippocampus explanation made her sound like she's been talking to a therapist, but
then she herself is a psychologist so she probably doesn't need a therapist to help her
'recover' that memory.
I think the key thing here are the witnesses. None recalled such a party ever taking
place. Her best friend said not only did she not remember the party, but she had never met
Kavanaugh. If she had been ditched by Ford that night and was left in a house with 2
potential rapists, don't you think she'd remember and talked it over with her the next day?
That just made her story fall apart.
Interesting photographic choice for such an article. Trial, whether in a court of law, or
merely in terms of destroying someone's life in the media, cannot be about what someone
believes, or can be made to believe, but must be about what the evidence can reveal to be
true. Where, when and why did we ever lose sight of that?
The Dems (dims) wouldn't dare attack the criminal Kavanaugh on the actual facts because it
would implicate their goddess Hillary. There are no clean hands at the worm farm at DC, that
just doesn't happen.
@renfro
Garbage! Who cares what you remember, or do not remember.
Main thing here is that she remembered to the rest of her life to be careful about the
water.
And also Miss Ford (If she did not lie) must have noticed the house that she would not go
into that house ever,
Let's not forget the "false memory" debacles of the 1990s with the McMartin preschool and
Wenatchee Washington preschool cases where innocent people were convicted of crimes that they
could not have possible committed.
In the McMartin case, the problem was overzealous parents who believed their childrens'
fantasies, and got overzealous "child protective services" caseworkers involved. Questionable
tactics to elicit "correct" responses from the children were used. Rewards, such as ice cream
were used when the children gave the "correct" response. The children were badgered by these
"professionals" until the proper answers were given. Many innocent peoples' lives were ruined
as a result.
The Wenatchee debacle was fueled by a rogue detective, who saw child abuse under every rock
and was determined to get convictions, the truth be damned.
The same tactics as in the McMartin case were used to elicit the correct responses from the
children.
In both cases, the mantra that "children cannot lie" was used, along with tactics that would
be unacceptable today (but are still being used).
After a long conversation last night with drunken friends, me being the sober one of course,
I had only one beer cuz I'm a good girl, but I can't recall what was said or how many of us
were in the room. Wait, oh yeah.
We all decided that the seeming wussy response by Republicans was a strategy. Weren't they
all also being accused? If Grassley hadn't bent over backwards to accommodate Ford and her
increasingly violent democrat extremist enablers and all of their ethically challenged dumb
followers, they would have appeared uncaring. They gave the Feinstein and Ford crowds serious
consideration – no one can truthfully say otherwise.
There really isn't much one can say about a woman, or a man, who claimed they were
assaulted or abused. Proper respect must be given and investigations must be made. We all
know Ford is a liar now. Almost any real victim of sexual assault can recall the details of
the assault.
I think Republicans played it right all along. If she was not deceptive, it would have
come out.
The whole affair was the same as watching Justice Channel homicide detectives patiently
wait for their prime suspect to speak until she slipped up and incriminated herself. No dna
test for Ford though. In fact, no evidence at all. In the end, she proved herself incredible
and all of her apoplectic supporters went off the rails and are making things worse for real
victims of sexual abuse.
The little girl act made Ford look insane.
Now, the unfunniest comedian in the world, Amy Shumer, who, let's face it, only got fame
due to her Uncle Chuck, is rallying the rest of the moonbats, reactionaries, and liars, aka
Democrat nutcases to rally and resist. Resist. Bunch of clowns think they have something to
resist rather than working to rebuild a party and find solutions to their problems. Hopefully
the democrat party will splinter apart and crawl away like the worms they are.
Anyone on the fence about Trump has now almost definitely jump to one side or the other.
Elections will show most people will deny democrats their ambition to destroy what's left of
the Republic.
The 'recovered memory' witch trials back then ruined many lives. The hysteria featured a wide
cast of characters including reckless and totally irresponsible 'therapists' who, for
whatever weird reason pushed gullible customers into believing these false induced illusions,
the troubled women (all women?Why?) who went on to make false accusations and all the true
believers in the form of prosecutors, police, judges and members of the public who accepted
this lunacy. Loftus deserves credit for having been one of the few people willing to stand up
and take the heat, going against this wave of hysteria. Seems like the US always has had
these bubbles of hysteria and panic since the days of the Salem witch trials. This person
Ford has been getting all this unwarranted fawning treatment, being continually called
'Doctor' and 'Professor' which, while true, isn't the usual treatment accorded to people who
have a Phd in one of the social 'sciences' or have jobs as professors. Nobody I've ever met
with those qualifications cared to be continually addressed by title. On the one hand this
person is some empowered example to all women, an esteemed 'Doctor Professor' who jets around
the world to surf the waves at exotic locales yet claims to have some fear of lying when
called in and starts to cry when she recalls being laughed at almost four decades ago.
Looking at it briefly she leaves the impression of being just plain screwy as well as being a
person who lies a lot where lies and facts are interwoven so that one can't be sure what's
what. What a circus this is.
I agree Kavanaugh is a warmonger and has
probably committed perjury many times. The trouble is, if he is denied confirmation in the
present circumstanes, it will amount to a victory for the feminists' witch hunt against men,
and it will do nothing to defeat the war agenda. The next nominee will be just as much a
warmonger.
1. The judgment of anyone who believes Christine Ford has to be
questioned. Her senate performance was a series of holes held together with emotion. If she
had been questioned as aggressively as Kavanaugh, she would have melted quicker than brie at
a beach party.
2. That she is a fraud does not in any way mean that Kavanaugh was/is honest or that he is
appropriate material for Supreme Court; I agree: he is not, he is deeply flawed. The pity and
the tragedy is that his flaws are not being discussed on their merits: the fact that he made
his living as a lawyer and a citizen by supporting the George Bush administration, which
participated in war crimes, is enough to disqualify him.
3. But US government, from Supreme Court to presidency to the entire Congress, have been
havens for liars who lied to the American people in order to wage war; they get monuments and
institutes, not jail cells:
–> Woodrow Wilson was a notorious womanizer, and a weak toady. One of his
liaison's threatened to release love letters unless he paid her $40,000. Zionist fanatic
Samuel Untermeyer paid the sum, in exchange for the appointment of Louis Brandeis to Supreme
Court.
Brandeis "lied" insofar as he used his elevated stature to promote the Zionist cause. Wilson was manipulated into signing off on the Balfour Declaration, then drawing USA into
WWI.
–> FDR (who was in the company of his lover when he died) lied to get USA into
WWII.
–> George H W Bush sanctioned lies to involve USA in Persian Gulf war: "babies in
incubators . ."
–> George W Bush had Condi Rice and Colin Powell to do his lying for him, to
involve USA in war against Iraq.
–> Schumer pledged he would harry Trump "six ways 'til Sunday" -- to force him to
wage war on Iran. Schumer and the Israel firsts don't give a tinker's dam about Kavanaugh OR
Ford; their method is to keep Trump on a short leash and to make it impossible to rule other
than in a way that achieve their goals, which are similar to Wilson and FDR: with them, the
zionist goals were to destroy Germany and Palestinians for the sake of Zionists; wrt Trump,
the goal is to complete the fragmentation of the ME and destroy Iran, for the sake of
Israel.
"... It's unlikely that Kavanaugh would have faced a genuine threat of criminal sanction if Blassey had complained at the time of the alleged incident: it would have been chalked up to juvenile japes and what-not. It's also true that adolescent indiscretions (albeit potentially disturbing for the victim) are no basis on which to evaluate fitness as a candidate for senior court apparatchik; a drunken fumbling grope attempt at 17 says nothing about one's judgement 30-odd years later. ..."
"... Assuming arguendo that the SCOTUS-J role is what the demos [mis]perceives (i.e., an impartial arbiter and keen legal scholar), then Kavanaugh's histrionics during the hearing show that he does not have the mental, cognitive or temperamental fortitude for the role. ..."
"... I have a very jaundiced view of courts generally, and the US Supreme court in particular. They are power's handmaidens – BlackRobes who engage in gravitas-laden[1] theatrics to try to put lipstick on the State pig. ..."
"... As I have pointed out in that past comment, Ford is not suffering from any "sexual harassment" abuse. She is suffering from a long, entrenched and ever growing case of embitterment from her childhood years. This hatchet job on Kavanaugh is nothing more than a case of revenge from Ford. Brett Kavanaugh's mother presided over her parents' divorce and that led to a bitter house foreclosure that obviously had a lingering affect upon Ford and has now chosen to take this moment for revenge. ..."
"... Now we see that Ford was lying about everything! She is not afraid of flying, she lied about her polygraph experience and expertise and lied about knowing Kavanaugh, when it is clear she did! ..."
"... What strikes me most in the whole Kavanaugh Show is that US politicians, the press and assorted figures, including many of the common citizenry, apparently care so much about the moral aspects of someone's behavior during puberty and adolescence. At the same time, these same politicians, press and citizens don't seem to have any compunctions about invading, killing and maiming people all over the world, on a continuous basis. ..."
"... Clearly the US, like other countries, is governed by a clique of psychopaths. I just never realized that psychopathy is contagious. ..."
"... you also go too far in presuming to characterise SCOTUS judges as lackeys of the appointing parties, or anyone. You should just think of the advantages of tenure, put it together with a general knowledge of human nature and then consider as well how unlikely it would be that successful tenured products of (typically) Harvard and Yale Law Schools are going to pay any attention at all to politicians after a couple of years becoming comfortable with their Olympian elevation, let alone 15 years and more. ..."
"... Michael Savage has revealed that Ford's father and grandfather were both CIA. Additionally, Ford was responsible for psychologically screening CIA interns at Standford. She claims that she remembered the "sex offense" during some kind of psychological hypnosis. She talked like a teenager during the hearing, and wore the same kind of problem glasses that she is wearing in pictures from her early teens. She was trained in how to fool lie-detector examinations. She was born about 1966 to a CIA operative father. ..."
Kavanaugh is not being accused of rape (at least, not by Ford).
He is having a job interview for a government sinecure, and someone he went to school with
claims that he did things to her that would meet the criteria for attempted rape.
In a prurient and shallow swamp of false-piety and sanctimony (i.e., US society and its
political class in particular), that is thought to be germane to his fitness for the job (of
which, more in a few sentences' time).
I don't have a dog in this fight: I have a very jaundiced view of courts generally, and the
US Supreme court in particular. They are power's handmaidens – BlackRobes who engage in gravitas -laden[1] theatrics to try to put lipstick on the State pig.
That has corollaries:
anyone selected as a candidate for that job is a set of 'safe hands' from the
perspective of the party doing the candidate selection;
anyone who wants to be a candidate is a disgraceful sack of shit.
So for me, if someone from A gets to be B, then any ill that befalls them is
nothing more than light entertainment.
It's unlikely that Kavanaugh would have faced a genuine threat of criminal sanction if
Blassey had complained at the time of the alleged incident: it would have been chalked up to
juvenile japes and what-not. It's also true that adolescent indiscretions (albeit potentially disturbing for the victim)
are no basis on which to evaluate fitness as a candidate for senior court apparatchik; a
drunken fumbling grope attempt at 17 says nothing about one's judgement 30-odd years later.
But here's the thing: this dude wants to be part of a life-tenured clique that arrogated to
itself the right to call the shots on the final jurisprudential stage in the US system up to
and including matters of constitutional import. As a group the BlackRobes have gotten it objectively wrong many times (Dredd Scott v
Sanford; Ableman v. Booth; Buck v Bell; Plessy v Ferguson; Herrera v Collins) and morally wrong even more often (South v Maryland; Bush v Gore; Wickard v Filburn). The
hubris involved in wanting to be on that court is an invitation to nemesis
.
And to quote Brick Top (from the movie "Snatch"):
Do you know what 'Nemesis' means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by
an appropriate agent – personified in this case by a 'orrible cunt: me.
If this was going to play out Hellenically, this controversy will result in the nomination
failing, and Kavanaugh will move on to catharsis and eventually metanoia ; but
this being 21st century America, he will be confirmed and will go on to do his masters'
bidding.
Now the question of actual fitness for purpose.
Assuming arguendo that the SCOTUS-J role is what the demos [mis]perceives
(i.e., an impartial arbiter and keen legal scholar), then Kavanaugh's histrionics during the
hearing show that he does not have the mental, cognitive or temperamental fortitude for the
role.
However, since the SCOTUS-J role is just to be a lifetime lackey for the party what brung
you to the dance he's exactly what his side of politics ordered.
[1] Like de la Rochfoucauld (especially Maxim 237), Stern and Shaftesbury, I have an
extremely dim view of gravitas . As Shaftesbury said Gravitas is the very essence of imposture . ( Characteristics , p. 11, vol.
I.)
What if this whole thing was just carefully managed theater designed to entertain the rubes?
We must never be allowed to forget there is a government in our lives to the point where it
starts to feel like a family member.
There are two things I cant stand:
Cockroaches, and prep school pricks that go on to be frat boy fucks, and then on to
lawyers, who then become so self entitled that they honestly believe they are chosen by god
to decide for others. Nasty creatures all of them.
As a group the BlackRobes have gotten it objectively wrong many times (Dredd Scott v
Sanford; Ableman v. Booth; Buck v Bell; Plessy v Ferguson; Herrera v Collins) and morally
wrong even more often (South v Maryland; Bush v Gore; Wickard v Filburn).
You left out.
Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1976 and exacerbated by continuing dumb shit SC decisions First
National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and
McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission
I have a very jaundiced view of courts generally, and the US Supreme court in
particular. They are power's handmaidens – BlackRobes who engage in gravitas-laden[1]
theatrics to try to put lipstick on the State pig.
Very eloquently and succinctly stated!
anyone selected as a candidate for that job is a set of 'safe hands' from the
perspective of the party doing the candidate selection;
anyone who wants to be a candidate is a disgraceful sack of shit.
So for me, if someone from A gets to be B, then any ill that befalls them is
nothing more than light entertainment.
agree
There is one aspect of this farce that does deserve some merit, from my perspective. And
that is the part where we get to watch more of the unhinged, apoplectic, butt-hurt,
aneurysm-popping hysterics of the progressive left. It's like more of those tears of
existential angst from all those castrating Hillary supporters anticipating their big win,
only to have it snatched away at the crucial moment by the big, blonde white guy who likes
women and cruelly mocks their messiah.
Watching Hillary psychologically implode is still one of my most sublime pleasures, even
today. It's the gift that keeps on giving
This is a curious and confusing spectacle. I don't think he's a good pick since like all
Supreme "Justices" he's a Deep State sponsored toady with little respect for the US
Constitution. But the Deep State allowed this spectacle, probably to embarrass Trump, who
they are tying to oust even though he does whatever they demand. Perhaps they worry that
Trump may suddenly rebel.
One wonders why Republican Senate leaders allowed this circus to form. When allegations of
drunken misconduct arose shortly before the vote, they should have dismissed the matter and
moved on, noting there were no police reports or arrests involved, and all this occurred when
he was a minor. Case closed! Most Americans consider groping and unwanted kisses by teenagers
to be of poor taste remedied with a slap or kick in the shin. It is not "sexual assault."
Or perhaps they chose to allow the looney part of the Democratic Party to run wild knowing
they would unwittingly hurt the Democrats in the upcoming November elections. Or maybe this
is a Deep State media diversion to keep the social justice warriors busy with an unimportant
issue, so they don't protest Deep State wars, ever growing military spending, soaring budget
deficits, or our dysfunctional health care system. Encourage them debate and protest what
some guy did as a drunken teenager for the next few weeks and fill our "news" programs with
related BS so real issues are avoided during the election campaigns.
Yeah. Liberals make much of the virtue of erasing a minor's record once they turn 18.
"It's a clean slate. A chance to start over again with a reputation unblemished by youthful
folly and mistakes. How can young Trey'Trayvontious grow up to become an aeronautical
engineer if, upon entering adulthood, he is handicapped by the burden of felonious assault,
burglary and attempted murder convictions?"
But when it comes to Kavanaugh??? No way. No forgetfulness, no forgiveness. What he did as
a minor, he will wear as a badge of shame throughout his adult life.
Is it even legal to consider what he did as a minor as having any bearing on his fitness
for this job? I'm seriously asking any parole officers or social workers out there who work
with youth.
As a group the BlackRobes have gotten it objectively wrong many times (Dredd Scott v
Sanford; Ableman v. Booth; Buck v Bell; Plessy v Ferguson; Herrera v Collins) and morally
wrong even more often (South v Maryland; Bush v Gore; Wickard v Filburn).
Then you must be a leftist ideologue.
In the Dredd Scott case the naturalization act of 1790 only extended citizenship to
"free white persons", so the court got it objectively right since they ruled in accordance
with existing law and didn't strike down or make law from the bench as too many power mad
federal judges do today.
Plessy v Ferguson is a closer call (because of the 14th amendment) but IMO the
court got it objectively right because the court only upheld de jure segregation with the
stipulation that public facilities must be equal in quality. And in doing so the court ruled
that the desires and wishes of blacks don't automatically supersede those of whites like
federal courts reflexively do today.
The great irony is that today blacks, not whites, are demanding racially segregated
dormitories, student orientations, facilities, graduations, schools, clubs, etc. and leftists
have no issue with that but will scream themselves hoarse about racism and white supremacy if
whites do.
In Bush v Gore I'm not sure what pressing moral issue was at stake other than you
didn't like the court's decision, hence it was "immoral." Was SCOTUS supposed to allow
Florida to keep counting votes until Christmas?
I'd rather it be a bourgeois white guy with social markers indicating that he, like me,
has been a red-blooded American teenager rather than a foppish Bubble-boy nerd with no
theory of mind or a bitter lesbian hag
It's not the teenage indiscretions that should concern people – it's the obvious
temperament problem that manifested itself during his testimony.
Anyone who 'arcs up' the way Kavanaugh did, has no place in any judiciary, be he
ne'er so white and red-blooded: it shows that he is a narcissist.
I don't think he actually uttered the words " How dare you !", but it would
not surprise me if he had done so.
So I would prefer a non-narcissist lesbian hag or "Bubble-boy nerd" (as if
Kavanaugh did not grow up in a protective bubble! He exudes contempt for anyone outside of
his class nothing wrong with that, except if you're hearing death penalty appeals or
adjudicating on reproductive or sexual rights).
By way of stark contrast, I have a very good example of a decidedly non-bourgeois person
(who will be Chief Justice in my jurisdiction before he retires)
One of my close friends from university was made a judge of the Supreme Court (of
Victoria, Australia) in 2013.
He was a first-rate advocate (specialising in criminal defence) – another contrast
with Kavanaugh, who is a lifetime party/government apparatchik who has never tried a
case.
Michael (for that is my old mate's name) was also a former logging truck driver who
returned to study in his mid-30s (having already had a family). He went to government schools
for his entire education – the first Supreme Court justice to have done so, a fact that
the Chief Justice remarked upon at his inauguration.
Despite having no pedigree, no connections, no Old Boys' (or Masonic) connections, he was
made QC at the earliest possible date (i.e., 10 years after he was called to the Bar).
He is also a witty bugger, and his default expression is a kind of half-smile, even now.
He was (and is) talented enough that he does not have to rely on gravitas : on several
instances he has cried in open court while recounting the facts of particularly tragic cases,
even as he was sentencing the perpetrators to jail. This is not a display of weakness: it's a
display of empathy – a weak man would be scared of the public reaction.
His robes sit heavy, but he still played "old-blokes' footy" after his elevation to the
bench.
And although I think he has some leftish tendencies, I could not say with any certainty
where his politics lie: when we were students together his economics was first-rate and
"rationalist" (he and I both got Reserve Bank cadetships – only 4 of which were awarded
Australia-wide in our year).
Now the reason I drop his name into the mix is that I can declare with absolute confidence
that if he was involved in a hearing of this type, there would be no displays of righteous
indignation, no partisan political commentary, no facial contortions, no spittle-flecked lips
in short, no displays of behaviour that indicate that he thinks that he is above reproach
simply by virtue of his background or his current station .
That 's the guy you want in your judiciary: you can't tell me that a nation of 300
million people – and a surfeit of lawyers – doesn't have a single lawyer like
Michael Croucher.
OK, so that was a rhetorical trick on my part, because the US Supreme Court is only
open to people who went to Harvard or Yale Law (although Ginsberg got her JD at Columbia,
she was a transfer from Harvard).
And, of course, they must have a lifetime track record of opinions that align with the
party in power at the time of their nomination.
>>>>>>>>>>He is having a job interview for a government
sinecure, and someone he went to school with claims that he did things to her that would meet
the criteria for attempted rape. <<<<<<<<<<
She was two grades behind him and attended an all girl school in a different part of
town.
So how is she someone he went to school with? I went to an all girl school (Catholic) and can't recall any boys I went to school
with. As a mother, I was interested in the distance of her home from the place of the party.
I gathered it was too far to walk to and walk home from, (especially at night). What did
she tell her parents were she had been? Her parents did not care she ran around at night like
that? At age 15. Not that Kavanaugh would be my choice.
Rape is a social construct. Some languages don't even have a word for it. Re Kavanaugh, who
knew that he was a serial gang rapist whose coast to coast crime wave has kept the country
secretly cowering in fear for the past 40 years? And thank goodness that we discovered just
in time that he also possesses emotions n a point of view. We can't have that on the SCOTUS!
I mean, where would we be if other Justices decided to have points of view n even did
interviews? Thank goodness that never ever happens, n all the current justices keep their
lips sealed n are completely neutral.
@Anonymous
We don't know that her parents "did not care she ran around at night like that at age
15″.
Teenagers and even younger children disobey their parents' instructions, orders and
warnings all the time. Maybe Ms Ford was chronically disobedient, a difficult child from Day
One, and maybe (just opining here) that's why she was sent to an all-girls private school. I
sure know of such cases. Such attendance doesn't change the child's behavior or character,
but it gets them away from their peers in public school, which makes the parents believe
everything will now be alright with their naughty child.
Not everything is the parents' fault. Nurture can't always undo Nature. Indeed, it rarely
does in any deep, permanent sense. Just threaten and/or punish your children enough and then
they'll obey you – for the wrong reasons.
I Told You So: Ford Is Lying And Needs To Go To Prison
As I
stated in a previous comment, Ford is just another hysterical man hating wobaby (woman
baby), that has lied in her testimony and public shameful denunciation of Kavanaugh.
As I have pointed out in that past comment, Ford is not suffering from any "sexual
harassment" abuse. She is suffering from a long, entrenched and ever growing case of
embitterment from her childhood years. This hatchet job on Kavanaugh is nothing more than a
case of revenge from Ford. Brett Kavanaugh's mother presided over her parents' divorce and
that led to a bitter house foreclosure that obviously had a lingering affect upon Ford and
has now chosen to take this moment for revenge.
Now we see that Ford was lying about everything! She is not afraid of flying, she lied
about her polygraph experience and expertise and lied about knowing Kavanaugh, when it is
clear she did!
Once again, proof, facts and evidence, shows us all that you can't trust what people say,
especially hysterical women! History is replete with examples of how hysteria, especially by
women with a grudge, can destroy men lives. This nonsense, and it is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE, by
Ford and her followers is nothing more than a bunch of pathetic individuals who've nothing in
their lives other than to be jealous and embittered of others all because they are all
failing in their own miserable, misbegotten lives. This is not about social justice, it is
just about people who can't accept their irrelevant position in society and need to destroy
others whom are make something of themselves.
Christine Ford is that lowest thing of womanhood; a bitter, delusional, man-hating female.
When in reality the only thing she really hates, is herself. Now she will get her well over
due comeuppance.
And what of Senator Feinstein? That modern incarnation of Reverend Samuel Paris (alla
Salem Witch Trials), what of her? She should be thrown out of the Senate, and allowed to
wither in the backwaters of the Deep Swamp, where she belongs!
Senator Feinstein you are a disgrace to Justice, the Senate, to Women, and above all,
to the Human Race! Go back to murky slimy depths of the swamp, where you belong!
@Kratoklastes
Wholeheartedly agree with all your comments and adstructions. However, it would seem to me
that in 99% of cases, it really does not matter who gets elected or appointed to any office,
in the US or whichever other country.
What strikes me most in the whole Kavanaugh Show is that US politicians, the press and
assorted figures, including many of the common citizenry, apparently care so much about the
moral aspects of someone's behavior during puberty and adolescence. At the same time, these same politicians, press and citizens don't seem to have any
compunctions about invading, killing and maiming people all over the world, on a continuous
basis.
Clearly the US, like other countries, is governed by a clique of psychopaths. I just never
realized that psychopathy is contagious.
@Kratoklastes
I don't know Michael Croucher J but I know and have a high regard for the conservative
Attorney-General who appointed him (also, you may be interested to know the product only of
radically unfashionable non-government schools). I Googled for Michael Croucher and was
surprised to find how many of the items on the first page had him tearing up on the bench. I
suspect that he fits pretty well with his appointer's pretty strong law and order approach
though I don't remember what the attitude of the latter was to the introduction of victim
impact statements, inevitably not subject to cross examination for obvious enough reasons.
(Moi: I was never a fan for several reasons).
While internet anonymity frees us up to say more than we can know with arrogant confidence
I am surprised that you don't make the distinction between US judges with a Bill of Rights to
maximise the likelihood of value differences infecting their judgments (bolstered by life
tenure) and Australian judiciary much of which still honours Dixon CJ's "strict and complete
legalism" in the sense in which he meant it (in answer to complaints of "excessive legalism")
and maybe Blackburn J's excellent 1970s article on Judicial Method.
But you also go too far in presuming to characterise SCOTUS judges as lackeys of the appointing parties, or anyone.
You should just think of the advantages of tenure, put it together with a general knowledge
of human nature and then consider as well how unlikely it would be that successful tenured
products of (typically) Harvard and Yale Law Schools are going to pay any attention at all to
politicians after a couple of years becoming comfortable with their Olympian elevation, let
alone 15 years and more.
@Kratoklastes
Another excellent comment, Krat' !
Re: Kav' "arc'ing up" I wonder whether that may have not been a carefully contrived piece of
theatre, directed at the so-called Trump "base" ? I don't know.
Re: the judge himself. I recall his public nomination. His intro by Trump, his evident
pleasure at nomination etc. However, his acceptance quickly segued into a modern version of
Mr Smith goes the Washington. He seriously emphasised what a great family man he is. His
little jokes with his daughters, coaching their basket ball team etc. The performance was
just so sincere, so real indeed, so slick & polished . What a great guy ! I
thought. Then I woke up – I'd been played .We're not talking about a great guy, we're
talking about a judicial job application for the highest court in the US.
Literally, a job for life.
The "sex" business, whether true or false has completely distracted US from the substantive
issue of whether this Judge, qua Judge is suitable for this role.
Your references to his whole "silver spoon"
history is largely indicative of the sex aspect. It goes to "character" at the least. It
should be considered but not as, in itself, determative.
Michael Savage has revealed that Ford's father and grandfather were both CIA. Additionally,
Ford was responsible for psychologically screening CIA interns at Standford. She claims that
she remembered the "sex offense" during some kind of psychological hypnosis. She talked like
a teenager during the hearing, and wore the same kind of problem glasses that she is wearing
in pictures from her early teens. She was trained in how to fool lie-detector examinations.
She was born about 1966 to a CIA operative father.
This bitch just reeks of MKUltra. It not only would explain so much of her recent actions,
it would also explain why she had 57 sex partners before starting college.
Most likely Ford was a MKUltra beta sex kitten, and that would also explain her current
positions at Standford. Stanford was a major center for MKUltra research and programming,
with Keasey and Owsley Stanley both being heavily involved in LSD research there as well as
in the forming of the mind-control masters of the Grateful Dead.
I do not think that even Bill Cosby raped anybody. All he had to do is promise the girl role
in next episode. And so by the time when Bill turned around and headed to liqueur cabinet
there she was on the bed naked with the feet pointing to the Heavens.
Basically the same story was with Weinstein.
You know women do not use their pussy only as a payment for full, they also use pussy as a
deposit.
I really hate Trump and this country. He said it's a scary time for young men in this
country. I'm a young man and I've never met anyone in real life who was falsely accused of
sexual misconduct. The prospect isn't even on anyone's mind. No normal woman would do that.
Some politicians might get falsely accused, but that isn't something regular guys fear.
But I'll tell you who is under attack: white people, both men AND women. There were hardly
any white girls at my high school. Hot white girls are a disappearing breed in many cities
and towns all over this country because of mass immigration. And what has a fraud like Trump
done about that? Absolutely nothing. His immigration failures are the real war on white
women.
But the little manbabies of the right will continue their hysteria and petty squabbles
with white women and even ally with non-white men against their own women. White people
divide and conquer themselves. The enemy doesn't have to do anything but sit back and enjoy
the show as whites fight each other instead of their own colonization and dispossession by
the Third World.
In the small high school I attended and from which graduated in 1960 were 4 girls who took-on
the entire football team more than once. There's no reason for me to believe the school I
attended was much different from any other public or private school. I could be wrong, but I
doubt it. The truth is that quite a few girls and women who are mentally disturbed will do
practically anything to acquire attention from males. It's always been that way, and always
will.
I used to live in Communist country, where social scientist were pushing the idea that first
organized tribal societies were matriarchal. Than that today society is patriarchal.
Prevailing theories were that patriarchal society inevitably must revert back to matriarchal
society.
I did not pay too much attention to it, and did seem to me that it was something strange.
Is this happening in US? I do not know!
Excellent article on the beautiful circus lifting the curtain on American politics. It's
always been this way, we just got loge seats this time.
Regarding the "facts" being brought to bear, it seems that if you're a woman and want your
15min of fame, all you have to do is describe your wildest sexual fantasy as long as you end
your statement with the seal of quality: "100% Kavanaugh."
And whether he lied about not being a lush and she about everything else the most pertinent
question is: where can you finally see more adults lying through their teeth than in the
US.gov? Indeed, the show must go on, and even Fred can't make this any funnier that it already
is.
As manufactured political theatrics and deliberate distractions keep Americans easily
mesmerized, more than 115 people in the United States die each day, after overdosing on
opioids.
"... After all, from National Security Advisor John Bolton (the invasion of Iraq ) and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo (a longtime regime-change advocate) to CIA Director Gina Haspel ( black sites and torture ), Secretary of Defense James "Mad Dog" Mattis (former Marine general and CENTCOM commander ), and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly (former Marine general and a commander in Iraq), those adolts and so many like them remain deeply implicated in the path the country took in those years of geopolitical dreaming. They were especially responsible for the decision to invest in the U.S. military (and little else), as well as in endless wars , in the years before Donald Trump came to power. And worse yet, they seem to have learned absolutely nothing from the process. ..."
"... Fear: Trump in the White House ..."
"... And so Donald Trump became the latest surge president, authorizing, however grudgingly, the dispatching of yet more American troops and air power to Afghanistan (just as he recently authorized an "indefinite military effort" in Syria in the wake of what we can only imagine was another such exchange). Of Mattis himself, in response to reports that he might be on the way out after the midterm elections, the president recently responded , "He'll stay we're very happy with him, we're having a lot of victories, we're having victories that people don't even know about." ..."
"... They proved to be neither the empire builders of their dreams, nor even empire preservers, but a crew of potential empire burners. ..."
"... Occupation (ongoing) and forced partition of Germany. Operation "Gladio" – destroying not pro-American political parties across Europe, like in Italia. Murder of neutral politicians like Olaf Palme. Should we remember Chile and president Aliende? Installing DHS operative Norriega as Panama dictator, then removing him. Did USA even had allies that were not vassals? ..."
"... Exactly right. But he also failed to mention that the NATO nations, the Anglo-Saxon nations, Japan, etc., are completely subsevient to the empire, and seem to be so by choice. No rats are jumping off the sinking ship. Sweden was neutral and independent during WW2 and the Cold War. But now it seems that Swedish rats jump ONTO the sinking ship. ..."
"... Stalin said that a country's political system follows its military. When the shooting stopped in Europe in 1945 the US had its forces in countries (UK, France, Italy, Germany, etc.) that, with the exception of Austria became American "allies", just as the Soviet army occupied countries became Soviet "allies". ..."
"... You can't pin the inevitable decline on Trump: It started a couple decades ago with rise of the New World Order. ..."
"... Last night, I stumbled across The Saker's Vineyard. He once wrote a blog post discussing how he was blacklisted in his native Switzerland after speaking out against NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia. I asked him how he could get himself censored in a "neutral" country that's supposedly independent from NATO or the EU, and since when Switzerland had become a lapdog of NATO. ..."
Donald Trump is in the White House exactly because, in these years, so many Americans felt
instinctively that something was going off the tracks. (That shouldn't be a surprise, given the
striking lack of investment in, or upkeep of, the infrastructure of the greatest of all powers.)
He's there largely thanks to the crew that's now proudly referred
to -- for supposedly keeping him in line -- as "the adults in the room." Let me suggest a
small correction to that phrase to better reflect the 16 years in this not-so-new century
before he entered the Oval Office. How about "the adolts in the room"?
After all, from National Security Advisor John Bolton (the invasion of Iraq ) and Secretary of State
Mike Pompeo (a longtime
regime-change advocate) to CIA Director Gina Haspel (
black sites and torture ), Secretary of Defense James "Mad Dog" Mattis (former Marine
general and
CENTCOM commander ), and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly (former Marine general and a
commander in Iraq),
those adolts and so many like them remain deeply implicated in the path the country took in
those years of geopolitical dreaming. They were especially responsible for the decision to
invest in the U.S. military (and little else), as well as
in endless wars , in the years before Donald Trump came to power. And worse yet, they seem
to have learned absolutely nothing from the process.
Take a recent example we know something about -- Afghanistan -- thanks to Fear: Trump
in the White House , Bob Woodward's bestselling new book. Only recently, an American
sergeant major, an adviser to Afghan troops, was gunned down
at a base near the Afghan capital, Kabul, in an "insider" or "green-on-blue" attack, a
commonplace of
that war. He was killed (and another American adviser wounded) by two allied Afghan police
officers in the wake of an American air strike in the same area in which more than a dozen of
their compatriots died. Forty-two years old and on the eve of retirement, the sergeant was on
his seventh combat tour of duty of this century and, had he had an eighth, he might have served
with an American
born after the 9/11 attacks.
In his book, Woodward describes a National Security Council meeting in August 2017, in which
the adolts in the room saved the president from his worst impulses. He describes how an
impatient Donald Trump "exploded, most particularly at his generals. You guys have created this
situation. It's been a disaster. You're the architects of this mess in Afghanistan You're smart
guys, but I have to tell you, you're part of the problem. And you haven't been able to fix it,
and you're making it worse I was against this from the beginning. He folded his arms. 'I want
to get out and you're telling me the answer is to get deeper in.'"
And indeed almost 16 years later that is exactly what Pompeo, Mattis, former National
Security Advisor H.R. McMaster, and the rest of them were telling him. According to Woodward,
Mattis, for instance, argued forcefully "that if they pulled out, they would create another
ISIS-style upheaval What happened in Iraq under Obama with the emergence of ISIS will happen
under you, Mattis told Trump, in one of his sharpest declarations."
The reported presidential response: "'You are all telling me that I have to do this,' Trump
said grudgingly, 'and I guess that's fine and we'll do it, but I still think you're wrong. I
don't know what this is for. It hasn't gotten us anything. We've spent trillions,' he
exaggerated. 'We've lost all these lives.' Yet, he acknowledged, they probably could not cut
and run and leave a vacuum for al-Qaeda, Iran, and other terrorists."
And so Donald Trump became the latest surge
president, authorizing, however grudgingly, the dispatching of yet more American
troops and air
power to Afghanistan (just as he recently
authorized an "indefinite military effort" in Syria in the wake of what we can only imagine
was another such exchange). Of Mattis himself, in response to reports
that he might be on the way out after the midterm elections, the president recently
responded , "He'll stay we're very happy with him, we're having a lot of victories, we're
having victories that people don't even know about."
Perhaps that should be considered definitional for the Trump presidency, which is likely to
increasingly find itself in a world of "victories that people don't even know about." But don't
for a second think that The Donald was the
one who brought us to this state, though someday he will undoubtedly be seen as the
personification of it and of the decline that swept him into power. And for all that, for the
victories that people won't know about and the defeats that they will, he'll have the adolts in
the room to thank. They proved to be neither the empire builders of their dreams, nor even
empire preservers, but a crew of potential empire burners.
Believe me, folks, it's going to be anything but pretty. Welcome to that most unpredictable
and dangerous of entities, a dying empire. Only 27 years after the bells of triumph tolled
across Washington, it looks like those bells are now preparing to toll in mourning for it.
The main difference between US and the "lesser" empire USSR is how they got their "allies".
The USSR won their "allies" by the force of their military. The US won their allies by the
promise of economic prosperity.
When the "lesser" empire collapsed, US got delusional and decided to try their luck at
winning new allies (or more accurately – expanding their influence) with the force of
their military – who let's face it was never that impressive compared to other great
empires in history.
Conclusion: US should have stuck with what they were good at –
winning battles on the economic battlefield, not let the Cold War "victory" get to their
heads making them delusional that they can win any "hot" wars of any significance.
The US won their allies by the promise of economic prosperity.
Occupation (ongoing) and forced partition of Germany. Operation "Gladio" – destroying not pro-American political parties across Europe,
like in Italia. Murder of neutral politicians like Olaf Palme. Should we remember Chile and president Aliende? Installing DHS operative Norriega as Panama dictator, then removing him. Did USA even had allies that were not vassals?
Exactly right. But he also failed to mention that the NATO nations, the Anglo-Saxon nations,
Japan, etc., are completely subsevient to the empire, and seem to be so by choice. No rats
are jumping off the sinking ship. Sweden was neutral and independent during WW2 and the Cold
War. But now it seems that Swedish rats jump ONTO the sinking ship.
@Tulips
What about Switzerland? It's not a member of either NATO or the EU (unlike Sweden). It
remained neutral and independent during WWII and the Cold War. Last time I checked, it
doesn't even have any American bases.
"The USSR won their "allies" by the force of their military. The US won their allies by
the promise of economic prosperity."
Stalin said that a country's political system follows its military. When the shooting
stopped in Europe in 1945 the US had its forces in countries (UK, France, Italy, Germany,
etc.) that, with the exception of Austria became American "allies", just as the Soviet army
occupied countries became Soviet "allies".
In Asia US occupied Japan and South Korea became
US "allies". In Eastern Europe the Soviets arranged the political situation to ensure that
political opponents were removed from power.
In Italy and France in 1946 the democratically
elected Communists in the French and Italian governments were removed from power, not by
popular election.
There is enough symmetry here to suggest that your contention is dubious at
best. When I was a member of the US Army in Germany back during the Cold War I came to the
conclusion that I was there not so much to drive to the East German border to keep the Soviets
out of West Germany and points west as to be ready to drive on Bonn to ensure the West
Germans remained within the fold.
There is enough symmetry here to suggest that your contention is dubious at best.
I kind of both agree and disagree with what you are saying . It's true that there are
similarities in how both the US and USSR "won" their allies in Europe in WW2. The main
difference is that USSR won their allies by the power of their military alone, while US "won"
their allies by the power of their military while also being generously helped by the power
of the USSR military too.
If this wasn't true, the US would have "won" their allies (or at least it would have start
winning them) in 1990-91 instead of 1944-45 when the Germans were pretty much already beaten
to a pulp by the Russians.
To prove my theory that the biggest draw to being US ally is economic prosperity, not
being impressed by the power of their military and what they can offer in terms of
protection, it's the fact that the former Warsaw pact countries joined NATO after USSR was
gone and they didn't need any protection by anybody against anyone anymore. They joined NATO
for purely economic reasons, because they didn't want to miss the opportunity to kiss
American b*tts and in the process to profit from the pleasant gesture.
You can't pin the inevitable decline on Trump: It started a couple decades ago with rise of
the New World Order. If anything, TPTB will deliberately crash the global system to get the
NWO that Trump detailed back on the tracks.
@Josep
Come to think of it, now I can see why Tulips (#4) didn't mention Switzerland.
Last night, I stumbled across The Saker's Vineyard. He once wrote a blog post discussing
how he was blacklisted in his native Switzerland after speaking out against NATO's bombing of
Yugoslavia. I asked him how he could get himself censored in a "neutral" country that's
supposedly independent from NATO or the EU, and since when Switzerland had become a lapdog of
NATO. The next morning, he said:
The sad truth is that Switzerland, which truly used to be a neutral country, completely
caved in into NATO by the late 1980s. The visible first sign of that was when Switzerland
allowed NATO to use her airspace to bomb Yugoslavia and when she caved in to the blackmail
of international Jewish organizations and the Volcker Commission and paid over a billion
dollar in ransom money. There was a lot of resistance to this kind of behavior from the
common people and from some politicians (such as Christoph Blocher), but the globalists
still won. I rather not discuss that in more details.
Kind regards,
The Saker
"... The editor of a major paper once told me that he never allowed a woman into his office unless the door was open and a third person present. Why? If a disgruntled reporter says, "He groped me," it will go viral. (Joyful headline headline in competing paper: "Editor of Daily Blatt allegedly .") Months of furor will ensue. He will have large legal bills. The suspicion arising from that "allegedly" will never die. The paper's board may well decide that regardless of guilt he is having too serious an affect on the advertisers. He will be permitted to resign, never to get a similar job. The Daily Blatt will settle as quietly as possible for a quarter million. ..."
False accusations of rape are not uncommon. A few gain national attention. Most do not. A
few: Tawana Brawley , a black
woman, was gang-raped by four white (of course) men, except that she wasn't. Next there is the
Duke Lacrosse
case , Then at Rolling Stone a feminist writer and a magazine not greatly given to
fact checking published the story of rape at the University of Virginia, also discredited.
It cost them a libel settlement. And so on.
Again, if the accused men and boys had been guilty, long prison terms would have been a good
idea. But they weren't. The presumption of guilt for men and innocence for women are convenient
for those who want to prevent confirmation of a judge but do not reflect reality. People,
assuredly to include women, use what power they have to get what they want.
The editor of a major paper once told me that he never allowed a woman into his office
unless the door was open and a third person present. Why? If a disgruntled reporter says, "He
groped me," it will go viral. (Joyful headline headline in competing paper: "Editor of Daily
Blatt allegedly .") Months of furor will ensue. He will have large legal bills. The
suspicion arising from that "allegedly" will never die. The paper's board may well decide that
regardless of guilt he is having too serious an affect on the advertisers. He will be permitted
to resign, never to get a similar job. The Daily Blatt will settle as quietly as
possible for a quarter million.
Meanwhile, the Kavanaugh carnival is up and running. Now, Lord save us, we have USAToday trying to nail Kavanaugh for yes pedophilia. The evidence? Ain't
none. None needed. Hey, we're talking the American media.
Nuff said. I predict the soon headline: "Berkeley sychotherapist recounts seeing Brett
Kavanaugh leading the entire Marine Division in gang-raping thirteen-year-old autistic
orphans."
Oh God. Oh God. Is there no surcease? I know, silly question. Squalling protesters: Half of
the country seems fifteen years younger than its chronological age. Staged ire. Sordid passion
of the herd. Hysteria. Irrationality. Weird accusations. Savage feminists. As per custom, it is
all about how horrible men are.
One of the sillier sillinesses of feminists regarding us men, of whom they seem to know
little, is that we hate women, scorn them, want to abuse and hurt them and, most especially,
gang-rape them. See, men view rape casually. It's just something to do in a moment of boredom.
Like scratching, or wondering where we left our keys. It's because of our misogyny. The
Sisterhood seems to love misogyny, pray for misogyny, invent misogyny because without it life
would be bleak and devoid of meaning.
What is wrong with these baffled ditz-rabbits? Men hate women? By and large, our mothers
have been women. Yes, check it out. Also our wives and girlfriends, grandmothers,
granddaughters, daughters and–this will astonish the more ardent among
feminists–even many of our friends. And, often, our collies.
As for regarding rape causally: If some dirtball raped anywoman close to me, I would favor
subjecting him to a sex change with a propane torch, knee-capping him as a mobility-reduction
measure, giving him a beating of the sort popular with dentists who want Porsches, and putting
him in Leavenworth for thirty years. Sensitive readers will suggest that I am a psycho for
proposing such effective and extremely meritorious measures. Admittedly they run counter to the
trade winds of American jurisprudence. But a great many men will quietly say, "Right on,
Fred."
But: Rape is a crime. The standard is guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. As well as I
can see, the Kavanaugh charges do not even meet the civil standard of preponderance of the
evidence, since there seems to be little evidence to preponder. The accuser doesn't remember
when it was, or where it was, or just who was there, and those she thinks were there don't
remember the party.
Since I am actually in a mood for noting things, I will note that any girl in my high school
class–King George High, class of 1964–could accuse me of raping her at a party, and
do it with similar evidence: none. Equally with Kavanaugh, I would have no way to defend
myself. How could I prove what I hadn't done at a party nobody remembered after 55 years? This
would be no defense against the presumption of guilt. Girls I dated would report that I had no
such inclinations. Surviving teachers would remember–well, perhaps imperfect behavior,
but nothing lubricious. This would prove nothing.
However, this first accusation against Kavanaugh has the virtue that it could have
happened, since there is no proof that it didn't happen. The same could be said of course of
the charge that I raped whoever some girl might say that I had. Ah, but now we come to the
gang-rape business. We have:
"Swetnick, who attended High School in Gaithersburg, Maryland, swore under oath that she
attended at least 10 parties where she says she witnessed Kavanaugh, Mark Judge, and
others "cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be 'gang raped' in
a side room or bedroom by a 'train' of numerous boys." She added that she has a "firm
recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their
'turn' with a girl inside the room,"
First, "cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented." This displays a common theme
among feminists, painting girls as helpless, easily manipulated victims, having no will of
their own. Is this not truly insulting to girls? "He didn't tell me beer had alcohol in it and
I didn't know boys were interested in sex, I thought it was just us girls ."
But, just as the problem with the first story is no witness, the problem with the gang rape
is too many witnesses. "At least ten parties ." Since it is unlikely that a girl would come
back to be gang-raped a second time, this implies at least ten victims. While it is true that a
rape victim often will not come forward because of embarrassment, it is curious that not one of
the violated multitude said anything, even though everyone at the party would have seen the
line-up. None of the other girls at the party said anything either, even though this was a
frequent occurrence. Is it not odd that the author of this story, seeing long lines of boys
engaging in rape, at party after party after party, saw no particular reason for reporting it?
That the many other girls witnessing this also said nothing? This is a song sounding mightily
of fabrication. Which must be obvious to senators who, though morally challenged, are not
stupid.
The thread is worth reading in its entirety, easier done here in this thread reader due
to its size. Dawson explains how QAnon uses standard psyop tactics, first establishing
credibility and then implementing gamification and spirituality to suck followers into an
energized, cultish mentality which leaves them susceptible to suggestion, manipulation and
direction.
@Rational It seems to me that the FBI investigation should include an investigation of
who leaked the Ford information, over her stated objections.
On the other hand, the Dems were VERY interested in having the FBI do a further
investigation of Judge Kavanaugh, the same FBI that got a FISA warrant to "wiretap" Trump
under false pretenses. Can we really be sure that there aren't arrangements already in place
to frame Kavanaugh?
"... Along these lines, the Trump Administration has informed Russia in April 2017 that the period of "strategic patience" is over (well, at least official 'cause being 'patient' didn't seem to deter regime change and covert ops) . They now employ a policy of "maximum pressure" instead. ..."
"... Also note: The Trump Administration has officially labeled Russia and China as enemies when they called them "recidivist" nations in the National Defense Authorization Act in late 2017. (Note: "recidivist" because Russia and China want to return to a world where there is not a hegemonic power, aka a "multi-polar" world). ..."
"... we're already within an ongoing Hybrid Third World War, which is more readily apparent with Trump's Trade War escalation. ..."
"... the "real" US economy is only 5 Trillion, only 25% of what's claimed as the total economy ..."
"... at's clearly happening--and it's been ongoing for quite awhile--for those with open eyes is the Class War between the 1% and 99%. The domestic battle within the Outlaw US Empire for Single Payer/Medicare For All healthcare is one theatre of the much larger ongoing war. ..."
"... Clearly, the upcoming financial crisis must spark a massive political upheaval larger than any ever seen before to prevent institution of the 2008 "solution." ..."
"... The primary dynamic of history is war. This has caused immense suffering. It is now becoming exponentially worse ..."
"... If we think of humankind as a large complex living entity, then like all such entities it will expire at some point. So in the larger picture, what we are moving towards is natural, and to be expected. ..."
It is rather surprising that the Democrats who have demonized Donald Trump at every turn
have voted in favour of the this extremely bloated defense budget, putting even more military
might into the hands of a President and Commander-in-Chief that they seem to despise and who
they are demonizing because of his alleged collusion with Russia.
We've been in WW3 for several years now. Bolton went "Full Monty" with his
declaration that U.S. forces will stay in Syria until Iran vacates. The introduction of a
Yemen War Powers Resolution in the House last week is a hopeful sign. A reason to root
for a Blue Wave in November. Dem leadership, already on record backing the War Powers
Resolution, would be obligated to block U.S. enabling genocide in Yemen.
I disagree with Eric Zusse's belief that USA wants to start WWIII. I think they want to
contain/constrain discontent of allies and citizenry as they attempt to destroy the Russian
and Chinese economies. War is only a last resort. But heightened military tensions mean that
the major protagonists have to divert resources to their military, causing a drag on the
economies.
Along these lines, the Trump Administration has informed Russia in April 2017 that the
period of "strategic patience" is over (well, at least official 'cause being 'patient' didn't
seem to deter regime change and covert ops) . They now employ a policy of "maximum pressure"
instead.
The big concern for me is that "maximum pressure" also means an elevated chance of
mistakes and miscalculations that could inadvertently cause WWIII.
Also note: The Trump Administration has officially labeled Russia and China as enemies
when they called them "recidivist" nations in the National Defense Authorization Act in late
2017. (Note: "recidivist" because Russia and China want to return to a world where there is
not a hegemonic power, aka a "multi-polar" world).
PS IMO Trump election and the Kavanaugh and Gina Haspel nominations are key to the pursuit
of global hegemony.
Most warnings have centered on a financial meltdown, as this article
reviews . As most know, IMO we're already within an ongoing Hybrid Third World War,
which is more readily apparent with Trump's Trade War escalation.
As noted in my link to Escobar's latest, the EU has devised a retaliatory mechanism to
shield itself and others from the next round of illegal sanctions Trump's promised to impose
after Mid-term elections.
In an open thread post, I linked to Hudson's latest audio-cast; here's what he said on the 10th
anniversary of the 2008 crash: "So this crash of 2008 was not a crash of the banks. The banks
were bailed out. The economy was left with all the junk mortgages in place, all the
fraudulent debts."
Another article I linked to in a comment to james averred the "real" US economy is
only 5 Trillion, only 25% of what's claimed as the total economy . Hudson again:
"Contrary to the idea that bailing out the banks helps the economy, the fact is that the
economy today cannot recover without a bank failure ." [My emphasis]
Wh at's clearly happening--and it's been ongoing for quite awhile--for those with open
eyes is the Class War between the 1% and 99%. The domestic battle within the Outlaw US Empire
for Single Payer/Medicare For All healthcare is one theatre of the much larger ongoing
war.
As Hudson's stated many times, the goal of the 1% is to reestablish Feudalism via
debt-peonage. All the other happenings geopolitically serve to mask this Class War within the
Outlaw US Empire. Clearly, the upcoming financial crisis must spark a massive political
upheaval larger than any ever seen before to prevent institution of the 2008 "solution."
Many predict that this crisis will be timed to occur in 2020 constituting the biggest
election meddling of all time.
The crisis will likely be blamed on China without any evidence for hacking Wall Street and
causing the subsequent crash -- a Financial False Flag to serve the same purpose as 911.
Much can occur and be obscured during wartime. The radical changes to USA from 1938-1948
is very instructive--the commonfolk were on the threshold of gaining control over the federal
government for the first time in US history only to have it blocked then reversed (forever?)
by FDR and the 1% who tried to overthrow him in 1933.
Same with the current War OF Terror's use to curtail longstanding civil liberties and
constitutional rights and much more. To accomplish what's being called "Bail-In" within the
USA, Martial Law would need to be emplaced since most of the public is to be robbed of
whatever cash they have, and World War would probably be the only way to get Martial Law
instituted--and accepted by the military which would be its enforcer.
A precedent exists for stealing money from the people--their gold--via Executive Order 6102 , which
used a law instituted during WW1 and still on the books.
The primary dynamic of history is war. This has caused immense suffering. It is now
becoming exponentially worse . Critical graphs are going off their charts. The end is
near.
If we think of humankind as a large complex living entity, then like all such entities
it will expire at some point. So in the larger picture, what we are moving towards is
natural, and to be expected.
Like individual humans, the human population as a whole can pursue activities that
maintain it's health, or it can indulge in activities that create disease and hasten it's
death. Humankind is deep in toxifying behaviors that signal it's demise in the near
future.
Clearly Google should acquire the status of a public utility -- like the Ma Bell telephone
system was regulated in the 1950's. Google is too powerful -- it should not have the cultural
monopoly power it has over our society.
"The people" and their mass interests are preeminent in the hierarchy things. Like it or
not -- Google is a product of our culture -- therefor our culture has a valid claim on its
actions.
It comes down too private ownership vs. public interest. As a pure libertarian I do not
like it -- but as a realist, the mass interests of the people counts.
The "golden mean" must win out. A compromise must be reached.
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to
break its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard.
This did come out of the 19th Century with awful factory conditions, decadent upper classes
(pre WWI) and their unexpected collapse along with the whole Belle Époque in WW1.
There was plenty of fuel for socialism with 1) a fashionable new intellectual left 2)
political fluidity 3) politically bankrupt Ancien Regimes.
In my opinion fashionable radical vanguards saw the possibility of harnessing these forces
to take power -- some of them acting idealistically -- some not. The key point was
that Ancien Regimes were weakened by WW1, with a good example being Russia with its military
failures and its decadent and ineffectual Czarist government.
In these unusual circumstances, the self appointed Bolshevik Radical Vanguard could exploit
the disaffection of Russian soldiers in Petrograd and Lenin could unilaterally issued General
Order Nº1 as the self appointed head of the Council of Soldiers and Workingmen's Deputies
(ignoring the Provisional Government) with all military units ordered to remove their existing
officers and elect new ones. This was coupled with promises to stop the war and give all
peasant soldiers their own private farms, which predictably went down very well and wrecked
army discipline.
Francis also went on to say, "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists
and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the
elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came at the end of November 1917, they filled
the assembly hall with soldiers and rejected the result of the vote (Social Revolutionaries
20,893,743, Bolsheviks 9,023,963 out of 36,257,960 votes cast). The Bolsheviks declared that
Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established his dictatorship.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans did
in WW2.
@AP
You are the
one that lives in echo chamber. Bolsheviks looted the country. It is the dumbest comment I have
ever heard. You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country . Bolsheviks
actually saved and built the country and current regime has been living from what was built by
Commies ever since. I just pointed that so called left is not left. But you asked for this. You
do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites which reveals who you
are amptly.
@melanf
Exactly. I am tired of all this BS. We lived free lives and I have never seen armed milicioner
/ police officer outside of movies. Be the state clearly cared about majority that is until the
top got all rotten. I'm hoping, right to vote is not sign of freedom Isn,' t it obvious by now?
I was recently at a beautiful museum in the USA full of classic Russian art that was looted
by Bolsheviks and sold for cheap to foreigners.
You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
You had a country of mostly Europeans, poorer than all of the non-commie European ones. You
did however manage to sink some places upon whom you imposed your system, such as Czechia or
eastern Germany, down closer to your level. Good job.
I just pointed that so called left is not left.
So called left is not left, as 21st century is not early 20th.
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia
"And in America they persecute blacks." You are too predictable.
Russia was looted in the 1990s by the flower of Soviet society, the Soviet elite and their
children.
@AP
Even if it
was true, having industry to build 100000 + tanks and other weapons was far more important
considering what happened. Did you get receipts for those pieces of art? Might have been looted
by whites. Also, you cannot build the country by just selling some art. You say USSR was poorer
than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it costs in the West to pay for
everything Soviet people were having as a right? Free education all level and better than in
the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here, free medicine and damn good at that, free
accommodation, annual month paid vacation, guaranteed job and retirement pay. You forget about
peace of mind that came with all above mentioned. You know, good sleep without chemistry and
all. There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came. However, they were as much
real Communists as I am ballerina.anyway, not a pop from you about this
You say USSR was poorer than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it costs in the West to pay for
everything Soviet people were having as a right?
I'd been in western Europe and visited the USSR in 1990. USSR was much poorer than any western European country, the USA or
Canada. It wasn't a third world country, but that's a very low bar.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here, free medicine and damn good at
that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation, guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Materially
speaking Soviet middle class lived liked poor Americans on medicaid, with free public housing, free
need-based tuition, etc. One difference – unlike residents of American housing projects, Soviets could afford free vacations to
sub-Western resorts, I'll give you that. But then middle class Soviets drove worse (or no) cars, and had worse TVs and radios
then even poor Americans. There were some Soviet families even living in communal apartments.
Obviously culturally it was a different story from poor Americans. But your argument is with respect to material conditions.
By that measure – in the end, performance of the USSR was pathetic for a high IQ country of white people.
There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came. However, they were as much real Communists as I am ballerina
Yeltsin who presided over the looting spree of the 1990s was elected as a full member of the Central Committee of the
Communist Party of the Soviet Union in March 1981. As for the looters – Berezovsky was head of a department in the Institute of
Control Sciences of the USSR Academy of Sciences. Khodorkovsky was deputy head of Komsomol (the Communist Youth League) at his
university, the D. Mendeleev University of Chemical Technology of Russia. Gaidar was from a Soviet elite family and in the 1980s
an editor of the CPSU ideological journal Communist. Potanin, another one from an elite commie family, attended the faculty of
the International economic relations at Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO), which groomed students for
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Upon graduating MGIMO in 1983, he followed in his father's footsteps and went to work for the
FTO "Soyuzpromexport" with the Ministry of Foreign trade of the Soviet Union. Etc. Etc.
Sure, none of these members of the Soviet elite, the top human products of the Soviet system – were "real Communists."
@Hector_St_Clare
Living standards in East Germany in the 1980s were really pretty meh compared to the west
though. Most private households didn't even own a telephone, and you had to wait years to get
one of those crappy
Trabant
cars.
Housing also wasn't great from what I've heard. And
that's just the material conditions, the political repression and the socially corrosive
effects of the state maintaining a vast network of informers obviously weren't conducive to
general wellbeing either.
It's true that quite a few East Germans later became somewhat nostalgic for the GDR era, given
how badly handled the transition was and the mass unemployment of the 1990s which blighted the
lives of millions of East Germans (somewhat similar in some ways to events in Russia, though
obviously the situation there was much worse and more traumatic). But one shouldn't have too
rosy a view of the GDR or other Eastern bloc states because of the manifest defects of today's
West.
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold
and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's understandable in the context of a civil war,
and basically irrelevant set against their other crimes, but it happened.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too outside the
Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological technical
subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better. The shares
of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Soviet healthcare was okay for basics, but extremely bad for any complicated ailment (if you
did not belong to the Soviet elites).
In practice, unemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious
worker in countries with reasonable labor regulations.
@AP
Looks
interesting. The one in Minneapolis is a 3 floor renovated church devoted to Russian art. Lots
of Soviet Realism on display and occasional films too. They even had an exhibition of
Aleksander Bulavitsky's art on display a couple of years ago, a local Ukrainian emigre that
I've mentioned to you before (his work can be seen in Kyiv too). Several years back they had an
impressive collection of religious art including icons and frescoes from as far back as the
14th century, many pieces from the northeast part of Russia. A philalately exhibit of Russian
stamps that I once saw there was quite impressive too. If you're in the area, I recommend that
you give it a visit. A nice gift shop too.
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold
and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Last time I was in Sate Hermitage (among other places) I didn't notice any signs of
Bolsheviks "running out" of Tsarist "cultural (art) reserves". If my Alzheimer's doesn't fail
me -- last time I checked Hermitage can give Louvre (not to speak of Prado and other lesser
galleries and museums) a run for its money. How could this be?
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold
and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Looting one's own country's cultural treasures to finance a violent overthrow. Sounds
familiar. I suspect that if some of these Commie apologists had been born as Sunni Arabs rather
than Russians, they would be defending ISIS.
The Soviet sale of Hermitage paintings in 1930 and 1931 resulted in the departure of some of
the most valuable paintings from the collection of the State Hermitage Museum in Leningrad to
Western museums. Several of the paintings had been in the Hermitage Collection since its
creation by Empress Catherine the Great. About 250 paintings were sold, including masterpieces
by Jan van Eyck, Titian, Rembrandt, Rubens, Raphael, and other important artists. Andrew Mellon
donated the twenty-one paintings he purchased from the Hermitage to the United States
government in 1937, which became the nucleus of the National Gallery of Art in Washington,
D.C.
Otherwise --
Apparently Russian treasures could be bought in American department stores in the 1930s:
From the 1920s, the Soviet Union had been selling off many of the art treasures it had
confiscated from the church, the imperial family, and the aristocracy in an effort to fund the
new government's industrialization plan. American businessman Armand Hammer and his brother
Victor acquired enormous numbers of these Russian treasures and, in the early 1930s, began to
sell them in American department stores and later in their New York gallery.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too outside the
Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological technical
subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
Want to try some Kholmogorov's Math And The Beginning Of Analysis for the 10th Grade? Here
is the 9th Grade Algebra (Geometry does the same but in purely geometric framework) with basic
trigonometric identities, as an example. Do you need me to present to you any US math textbook
for 9th grade?
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Yep, neither Korolyov, nor others were awarded Nobel Prize (of course, Krush is to blame)
bit when one looks at an actual fundamental and applied science Soviet contribution, one has to
really start thinking. Somehow Russians produce a lot of state of the art technology without
getting all those awards.
But wasn't it the point? Listen, I get it -- you have some accounts to settle with Soviet
Union, hey fine with me, but please do not try to convince me about all ills and good which
USSR was in 1960s through 1980s -- I lived there and I experienced a lot of it on very many
levels. Including some about which I am still reluctant to talk much about. I do not treat
seriously most of Russian "nationalist" so called "thinkers" -- most of them still don't
understand why people such as Prosvirnin or said Kholmogorov have very bleak political
prospects in Russia. The reason being for them not knowing or realistically experiencing the
Soviet period. Said Kholmogorov, despite being born in 1975, missed, as an adult, realities of
Soviet period. Russia was, is and will remain this very "left" -- not in LGBTQXYZ "western"
meaning -- nation and there are reasons for that, which are beyond the grasp of people who
do not understand nor can feel continuity (preemstvennost') of the Russian history.Alexandr
Zinovyev -- a real thinker of the scale which dwarfs any Kholmogorovs or Solzhentsyns
correctly assessed inevitable, both external and internal, Sovietization of Russia, on a
completely new foundation. In fact, it is happening as I type this -- by 2017 by different
data from 70 to 75% of Russia's strategic industries were returned under the control of Russian
State. Overwhelming majority of Russian people, including, what is most inspiring, many
youngsters are loving it. Just one example.
The "55-57% of west german GDP/capita by 1989″ numbers I'm using (which are the also
the ones used by the Wikipedia on the GDR) come from the former East German statistician
Gerhard Heske in a 2009 study. The actual study is in German so I can't read it (maybe German
Reader might be interested), but his numbers have been cited by a bunch of other papers I found
which were quite critical of the GDR but didn't really take issue with his numbers. The reason
people disagree about the size of the GDR economy in 1989 is, I think, because they weren't a
market economy and so there was no way of assigning market values to the products they
produced, other than by making 'quality adjustments' which are going to somewhat of a judgment
call. Heske claims his methodology uses quality adjustments that are fairly standard,
though.
Your series also starts in 1991 rather than 1989. It's worth pointing out that this fairly
balanced treatment of German reunification by a Polish author both cites Heske's numbers for
the 1989 GDP and also claims that in 1990 the East German economy was hit by severe recession
as a result of excessively fast free market reforms and collapse of the central planning
mechanism, and that GDP shrank "by at least 20% compared to the previous year." Of course an
assessment of the East German economy in 1991 will look worse than it did in 1989, so that
accounts for part though not all of the discrepancy.
That being said, "(slightly) faster GDP growth rate than West Germany" isn't as impressive as
it sounds since they were starting from a much lower base: an economy 40% as rich per capita as
West Germany, with an industrial base and educated/skilled workforce, *should* be growing much
faster, not slightly faster.
Russia is legitimately strong in a few specific spheres like nuclear power and military
technology. In many other spheres (e.g. pretty much the entirety of biotech) it is a
minnow.
@Anatoly Karlin
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold
and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Could you recommend a reading material on the subject? Thanks.
LOL, sure -- when Taiwan or Belgium will have a viable space programs (the list of
cutting edge technologies which goes into this is colossal, not to mention educational and
design schools) or will be able to produce something remotely comparable to MS-21 or SU-57,
then we may talk. FYI, I work in aerospace industry so, let's put it this way -- I never
heard superlatives about Belgian or Taiwanese Aerospace . The "other" one? A lot.
@Hector_St_Clare
Life in DDR in 1970s and 1980s was pretty decent. Perhaps the highest standard of living in the
Soviet Block. If people did not know that the West exist and that you can get still more
goodies there they would be very happy to be like East Germany.
The planned economy worked there pretty good. It took Germans to show it. They had problems
with energy supplies when USSR reduced export to Germany and had to start to use very
inefficient and very polluting brown coal.
Probably Czechoslovakia and Hungary were the next in terms of socialist economy success in
1970′s. Poland was always very uneven and unequal country where plan economy did not work
and where private sector still existed with lots of corruption and criminal shenanigans that
let some people got rich also in the state apparatus.
@AP
This
(selling of art) is no crime at all, but reasonable and praiseworthy business decision. USSR in
the 1930′s certainly needed tractors, locomotives, machine tools and industrial equipment
more than Rembrandts. If the Tsars sold the art and jewels and invested into industrialization
of the country, there would be no need for revolution.
If you want to talk about "heritage", you might have point about icons, but what makes
Rembrandt and Titian "Russian heritage"? If works of art belong to country where they were
created, then all Rembrandts of the world shall be returned to Netherlands. If works of art
belong to all mankind, what difference it makes whether Rembrandt painting is in museum in
Petersburg or Washington?
LOL, I vaguely remember this as an old joke. But it's true the rhetoric of some USSR orphans
and nostalgists here at unz.com sometimes resembles this joke.
@German_reader
East German Stasi spying on 1/3 of population was German efficiency run amok, objectively
useless waste or resources. It made no difference at all for the survival of the regime.
In Czechoslovakia, next door country with comparable size population, the secret police watched
about 60,000 people (i.e. VIP's and active dissidents), and it lasted about week longer than
DDR.
She, and others were American commies that were used by the Soviets. Whether they were okay
with this or ignorant of it is a factual matter than lends itself to investigation.
She, and others were American commies that were used by the Soviets. Whether they were
okay with this or ignorant of it is a factual matter than lends itself to investigation.
What's not to get here? It was a joke, apart from being a commie, she was also a black
activist and by the end of 1970s very many Soviets had some good info about specifically
American blacks. By early to mid-1980s it was a common knowledge that blacks in US were
creating problems. What is not understood here is the fact that USSR itself was becoming at
that time a society which valued law -- this is, of course, a separate topic, but Russian
attitudes towards blacks in general is very complex, especially when one considers the fact of
Russian cultural icon, Pushkin, being essentially black. So, let's not read in my post more
than is in it. I just wondered if Angela Davis support meetings could have been like that:
That would have been, quoting Mike Meyers, a Communist Party;-)
OK, let's try from the other direction. From Merriam-Webster:
Definition of irony: a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events
and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity
Now, anyone, I underscore -- anyone who lived in the Soviet Union in 1960s and 1970s knew
it -- I underscore it again, they all knew it -- among shortest anecdotes one of the most
popular was "Communism" -- it was about incongruity. Angela Davis was and is, including by
association with Black Panthers movement -- a black terrorist. She was NOT what she was
portrayed she was in USSR. And as in this anecdote "Communism", she became a definition of
irony -- being a result of complete incongruity between what was expected (anticipated) to
be and what she really was. In effect, USSR was supporting a terrorist, while later everyone
learned that she was a terrorist. Listen, if my manuscript gets accepted for publication (there
is some publisher who is "fascinated" by it
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to break
its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard.
This did come out of the 19th Century with awful factory conditions, decadent
upper classes (pre WWI) and their unexpected collapse along with the whole Belle Époque
in WW1.
There was plenty of fuel for socialism with 1) a fashionable new intellectual left 2)
political fluidity 3) politically bankrupt Ancien Regimes.
In my opinion fashionable radical vanguards saw the possibility of harnessing these forces
to take power - some of them acting idealistically - some not. The key point was that Ancien
Regimes were weakened by WW1, with a good example being Russia with its military failures and
its decadent and ineffectual Czarist government.
In these unusual circumstances, the self appointed Bolshevik Radical Vanguard could exploit
the disaffection of Russian soldiers in Petrograd and Lenin could unilaterally issued General
Order Nº1 as the self appointed head of the Council of Soldiers and Workingmen's Deputies
(ignoring the Provisional Government) with all military units ordered to remove their existing
officers and elect new ones. This was coupled with promises to stop the war and give all
peasant soldiers their own private farms, which predictably went down very well and wrecked
army discipline.
Source: "Russia from the American Embassy" by David Rowland Francis, U.S. ambassador to
Russia for 5 years from March 1916 to March 1921.
https://www.amazon.com/Russia-American-Embassy-April-1916-November/dp/B00B6ZE8NI/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
Francis also went on to say, "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists
and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the
elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came at the end of November 1917, they filled
the assembly hall with soldiers and rejected the result of the vote (Social Revolutionaries
20,893,743, Bolsheviks 9,023,963 out of 36,257,960 votes cast). The Bolsheviks declared that
Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established his dictatorship.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans did
in WW2.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans
did in WW2.
The Bolsheviks disgusting, but this statement ("on a scale far exceeding anything the
Germans did in WW2″) is an obvious lie
" In fact, the number of prisoners for political reasons (for "counterrevolutionary crimes")
in the USSR in the period from 1921 to 1953, i.e. after 33 years was about 3.8 million people
during this period ( 1921 to 1954 ) has been convicted 3 777 380 people, including to capital
punishment -- 642 980, to the contents in camps and prisons for a term of 25 years and below --
2 369 220, into exile and expulsion -- 765 180 people".
Deschutes says:
September 29, 2018 at 8:06 am GMT 400 Words John Derbyshire – another shitty,
adolescent article from the angry white conservative man child who blames everybody whose not
white and male for his own failings and problems. The way you portray women in this article
reveals a man child who never matured beyond 16 years of age. It is little wonder you portray
women as nothing more than angry children's book characters who vomit if they don't get their
way: a man child can't see it any other way. Not once in this diatribe do you mention abortion
rights. It never occurred to you that losing abortion rights might piss off some women. If
Kavanaugh is put on the court, abortion will be made illegal in USA. Debryshire, you remind me
Jeff Sessions: you're a couple of bookends from the 1940s. Same racist mind set, same 'war on
drugs' reactionary bullshit, same 'women belong in the kitchen' nonsense etc. What's more,
anybody who actually likes Lindsey Graham is a total complete asshole. There is nothing to like
in that self-righteous reactionary, war criminal piece of shit from the Old South. If you've
enjoyed the last 17 years of wars without end and the wretched 'war on terror' and all that has
come to pass since 9-11, then Lindsey Graham is your man. Like McCain, he never saw a war he
didn't love starting. And watching Graham's temper tantrum meltdown in the congressional
hearings the other day made for rather uncomfortable viewing, like watching a 5 year old in a
toy store who didn't get his GI Joe doll. Since when is losing your temper, foaming at the
mouth and screaming at the entire caucus because you are not getting your way acceptable
behavior? It isn't. But it is a sure sign of a person who is a total, complete egotistical
asshole. I always hated Scalia, and was really happy when he died. That Obama and the dems were
too spineless to stick a replacement on the bench when they had the chance only reinforced my
total lack of respect for the dems. The tragedy in waiting was that now we will have a
reactionary conservative majority scotus headed by Kavanaugh, and abortion will be made
illegal; more laws passed to favor giant corporations like Citizens United; more anti-worker
legislation passed; more war and more police state measures domestically: that's your
Trump/Kavanaugh/Lindsay Graham/John Derbyshire shit stain USA coming yer way!
@Deschutes Ah, ah, the main issue here is not where Kavanaugh will stand on abortion laws
but whether the campaign of slander against him could have any possible truth.
The way I see it, a woman over 50 years old goes on the stand, tries to put on the
helpless cute little girl act complete with a six-year old's lisp, and pretends to have
traumatic memories of something she claims happened over 35 years ago. Well, where on earth
was she all these years? She ended up with a Ph.D. in psychology so she could not have been
ignorant of laws and remedies surrounding rape and attempted rape through her years in
university. Where was her "great courage" all these years? A tad too much of a coincidence
this, her finding her memories and courage right on the eve of Kavanaugh's proposed
appointment. Kavanaugh may or may not be a good choice for the Supreme Court; opinions can
differ legitimately. But putting him on a show-trial where he comes out looking unclean no
matter what is a travesty of natural justice and a grave injury to common decency and common
sense.
@anon I know all of this woman-howling is covering up his role in the Vince Foster
'suicide' making him a George HW Bush CIA (Iran-Contra, cocaine trafficking) lap-dog. Oh, and
he ruled the USA can kidnap American citizens abroad and hold them at black sites
Kavanaugh hearings are just another episode of bad political theater.
Like professional wrestlers, Republicans pretend to fight-but a Flake or someone like him,
always appears in the nick of time, to save the day for the left.
"... I think you've really nailed it, Anastasia. Watching this farce on TV, a few things were quite obvious to me: Christine Ford is a very disturbed and unhappy woman. The Republicans were afraid to question her. So, they brought on this attorney from Phoenix, who was a total flop. Senator Graham finally rode in to save the day. (I am not accustomed to praising Graham. But he was effective yesterday.) The lead democrats, Feinstein, Leahy, and Durbin, were actually ashamed when senior Republicans publicly called them out for the sham they were perpetrating on the American people. The silly Senator from Hawaii and Dick Blumenthal demonstrated that they had no shame. All in all, it was a low point for the Senate. ..."
anastasia says:
September 28, 2018 at 4:47 am GMT 300 Words They were too afraid of the women's movement,
and therefore could not bring themselves to challenge her in any way. Interspersed between the
prosecutors questions which did not have the time to develop, was the awards ceremony given by
the democrats to the honoree.
But we , the people, all saw that she was mentally disturbed. Her appearance (post clean
up); her testimony, her beat up looks, drinking coke in the morning, the scrawl of her
handwriting in a statement to be seen by others, the foggy lens, the flat affect, the little
girl's voice and the incredible testimony (saying "hi" to her rapist only a few weeks later and
expecting everyone to believe that is normal, remembering that she had one beer but not
remembering who took her home; not knowing that the offer was made to go to California as if
she were living on another planet, her fear of flying, her duper's delight curled up lips
– all the tell tale signs were there for all the world, except the Senate the media, to
see.
She went to a shrink with her husband in 2012, and it was her conduct that apparently needed
explaining, so she confabulated a story about 4 boys raping her when she was 15 to explain her
inexplicable conduct to her husband, and maybe even to her friends. She later politicized the
confabulation, and she is clearly going to make a few sheckels with her several go fund me
sites that will inexplicably show $10.00 donations every 15 seconds.
She was the leaker. She went to the press almost immediately in July. They were too afraid
to point that out to everyone because the phoniest thing about her was that she wished to
remain anonymous.
Ludwig Watzal says:
Website
September 28, 2018 at 1:13 pm GMT 400 Words As a foreign observer, I watched the whole
hearing farce on CNN till midnight in Germany. For me, from the beginning, it seemed a set up
by the Democratic Party that has not emancipated itself from the Clinton filth and poison. As
their stalwart, Chuck Schumer said after the nomination of Judge Kavanaugh that the Dems will
do everything to prevent his confirmation. They found, of course, a naive patsy in Dr. Ford,
not to speak of the other two disgraceful women that prostituted themselves for base motives.
Right from the beginning, Dr. Ford played to me the role of an innocent valley girl, which
seemed to make a great impression on the CCN tribunal that commented biasedly during the breaks
of the hearing committee. It was a great TV-propaganda frame.
Don't forget; the so-called sexual harassment occurred 36 years (!) ago. Dr. Ford was 15,
and Judge Kavanaugh was 17 years old. But Dr. Ford discovered her "suffering" after she heart
from the nomination of Kavanaugh in July 2018. Why didn't she complain to the police after the
"incident" happened in 1982 or at least after the "me to movement" popped up? May it as it is.
Everybody who knows the high school or prep-school-life and behavior of American youths should
not be surprised that such incidents can happen. When I studied at the U of Penn for my M.A.
degree, I got to know American student campus life. For me, it was a great experience. Every
weekend, wild parties were going on where students were boozed and screwed around like hell.
Nobody made a big fuss out of it.
On both sides, the whole hearing was very emotional. But get one argument straight: In a
state of the law the accuser has to come up with hard evidence and not only with suspicions and
accusations; in a state of the law, the accused has not to prove his innocence, which only
happens in totalitärian states.
Why did the majority of the Judiciary Committee agree on a person like the down-to-earth and
humdrum person such as Mitchell to ask questions? It seems as if they were convinced in advance
of Kavanaugh's guilt. The only real defender of Kavanaugh was Senator Lindsey Graham with his
outburst of anger. If the Reps don't get this staid Judge Kavanagh confirmed they ought to be
ashamed of themselves.
This hearing was not a lesson in a democratic process but in the perversion of it.
@WorkingClass Really – everyone should know by now that in any sex related offence,
men are guilty until proven innocent .& even then "not guilty" really means the defendant
was "too cunning to be found guilty by a patriarchal court, interpreting patriarchal Law."
My comment on those proceedings today was this: "This is awful, I've never seen a more
tawdry, sleazy performance in my life – and I've seen a few. No Democrat will ever get
my vote again. They can find some other party to run with. Those people are despicable.
Details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKSRUK-l7dM”
;
Later on, I noted: "None of this has anything to do with his record as a judge – and
that's not such a good record: https://www.lawfareblog.com/judge-brett-kavanaugh-national-security-readers-guide
at least if you're concerned with the Constitutional issues SCOTUS will actually decide. None
of it, not one word. It's irrelevant. It's partisan harassment, it's defamation, it's
character assassination, and all of it is *irrelevant* , it's useless – and in the end
it will be both futile, because there will be a party line vote, and counterproductive,
because a lot of people will be totally repelled by the actions of the Clintonistas –
because that's what those people are."
The Neocons are evil. They despise Middle America almost as much as do the wild-eyed
Leftists, just in a different way for slightly different specific reasons.
Well it looks like the repubs will get what they want – a woman abusing (like their
President) alcoholic defender of the rich and powerful. Fits right into their "elite" club.
After watching the Big Circus yesterday, I rate Ford's performance a 6 (sympathetic person,
but weak memory and zero corroboration). Cavanaugh gets an 8 (great opening statement,
wishy-washy and a dearth of straight answers during questioning). Had it been a tie, the fact
that the putative event occurred when he was 17 would break it.
@anastasia Good points, but yesterday's inference is that she became permanently
disturbed by the incident 36 years ago . In my experience, most psychologists are attracted
to that field to work out personal issues -- and aren't always successful. Ms. Ford fits that
mold, IMHO.
One thing I haven't heard is a challenge to Ford's belief that her attackers intended
rape. That may or may not be true. Ford testified about "uproarious laughter." That sounds to
me more like a couple of muddled, drunken male teens having their idea of "fun" -- i.e.,
molestation and dominance (which is certainly unacceptable, nonetheless).
Much ado about nothing. Attempted political assassination at it's best. American's have once
more been disgusted to a level they previously thought impossible. Who among us here does not
remember those glorious teenage years complete with raging hormones? What man does not
remember playing offense while the girl's played defense? It was as natural as nature itself.
No harm, no foul, that's just how we rolled back in the late 70′s and early 80′s.
@anastasiaI think you've really nailed it, Anastasia. Watching this farce on TV, a
few things were quite obvious to me: Christine Ford is a very disturbed and unhappy woman.
The Republicans were afraid to question her. So, they brought on this attorney from Phoenix,
who was a total flop. Senator Graham finally rode in to save the day. (I am not accustomed to
praising Graham. But he was effective yesterday.) The lead democrats, Feinstein, Leahy, and
Durbin, were actually ashamed when senior Republicans publicly called them out for the sham
they were perpetrating on the American people. The silly Senator from Hawaii and Dick
Blumenthal demonstrated that they had no shame. All in all, it was a low point for the
Senate.
For his part, Kavanaugh is oddly obtuse for one who is said to be such a great jurist.
Meek, mild and emotional, he does not seem up to the task of defending himself.
It appears that Ms. Mercer wrote this before the second half when things were looking
bleak.
Reminded me of Super Bowl 51 at halftime. I even tuned out just like I did that game until
I checked in later to see that the Patriot comeback was under way.
@mike k You are a useful idiot for the destruction of western civilization. Men are not
abusers of women, excepting a few criminals. Men protect families from criminals.
@Haxo Angmark Yes, Ms Mitchell did a very incompetent job, but it won't matter. Kavanaugh
will be confirmed Saturday, due to his own counterattack and refusal to be a victim.
Little miss pouty head cute face was a huge liar, obvious from the second I heard her. The
kind of chick who can go from a little sad voice to screaming and throwing dishes and
brandishing a knife in a heartbeat.
A very shrewd observation, widely misattributed to Voltaire, states that "To learn who rules
over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." Or put another way,
individuals are reluctant to publicly challenge those whose power they fear. Certainly, this
simple standard helps to explain many important aspects of America's severely malfunctioning
political system.
Wade says: September
24, 2018 at 4:04 pm GMT 300 Words @Tyrion 2
Nice try. But to me this falls flat. First of all I don't think Ron has literally blamed Jews for
all the world's evils any more than Southern Christians like me have been blamed for all the
world's evils by Hollywood.
The issue is that Zionist leadership plays really dirty. And they are good at it. But having
them in control of the West's media means that their negative impact on society goes unremarked
upon while the positive things they do are trumpeted from the rooftops. We are allowed to notice
Jewish power in relation to their main accomplishments, but we are referred to the nearest
holocaust museum when we notice any negative impact that Jewish power has. It's one of the
many wars on "noticing" the media is engaged in.
I don't see how all of this ends in mass pogroms, let alone a holocaust if you want my
opinion. We're just hoping for a much overdue correction in perspective. Topics like Israel's
founding and influence in US politics, The Holocaust, WWII and 911 are being desacralized so they
can be discussed rationally, and that's good for everyone. Those who doubt Oswald was the lone
assassin have been treated for decades with a smorgasbord of conspiracy theories about JFK
ranging from Cuba and Castro, to anti-Castro Cubans, LBJ, The Mafia, the KBG, the CIA all being
cast as possible suspects, but not even once has Israel being fingered by anyone anywhere (except
by the indefatigable Michael Collins Piper) as a possible suspect, even though they had as clear
(or clearer) motives and opportunity than nearly anyone else. Why hasn't this possibility been
more fully explored by JFK researchers? Everyone needs to know how much Israel has benefited from
911. Their role in this also needs to be explored much more by researchers and brought out into
the open.
The Unz Review is a tremendous site. It attracts superior writers as well as commentators. And
Ron Unz, fortunately, is untouchable. The ADL understands this. Better for them to remain
silent. They want to keep you as obscure as possible. Thus, the silent treatment.
Thus, the MSM would rather talk about crude 'white power' sites than the perspicacious Unz
Review. But you can bet, Ron, that they will pounce on you if given the opportunity.
Says Ron: "I do think [the ADL] may be absolutely terrified of the many facts contained
within the series of recent columns that I have now published, and such abject terror is what
keeps them far, far away." That covers it. In the meantime, I look forward to seeing the UNZ
review grow in influence and readership.
The quote "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
comes from Tacitus The Life of Agricola
other nice quotes are-
"It is the rare fortune of these days that one may think what one likes and say what one
thinks."
― Tacitus, Histories of Tacitus
"It is a principle of nature to hate those whom you have injured."
― Tacitus
"Crime, once exposed, has no refuge but in audacity." Annals
and finally
"They have plundered the world, stripping naked the land in their hunger they are driven by
greed, if their enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor They ravage, they slaughter, they seize by
false pretenses, and all of this they hail as the construction of empire. And when in their
wake nothing remains but a desert, they call that peace."
― Tacitus, The Agricola and the Germania
Trump has tried to turn his presidency into a personality cult rather than MAGA. That is a
mistake because Trump's campaign positions were more popular than Trump and it doesn't lift
the entire party.
Every Hillary voter I meet, male or female, buys every one of the stupid narratives being
pushed and are fired up to vote. The Bernie voters don't automatically buy every narrative
but they despise Trump and want him out and Democrats to regain control.
I agree with Derb that the hearing may make up some of the enthusiasm gap. A lot of
conservative men had to have been looking at that hearing and thinking how easy it would be
for them to get similar treatment at work or school.I imagine a good number of conservative
women don't want their husbands and sons to face similar inquisitions.
Iberiano says:
September 29, 2018 at 11:47 am GMT 300 Words Looking at that photo of the former primary
contenders, reminded me of all the holier-than-though talk we got from the right-of-center,
about how Trump was too gruff, and crass, about everything, including sexual topics,
interactions with women, etc.
What these hearings demonstrated, that we already knew, was that the Puritan-Jew alliance is
obsessed with all things sexual, perverted, distasteful theirs is a world of, as you
point out, "preppy white boy" fantasies, where the bad guys look like the blond jock in Karate
Kid, and drive around in their Dad's 1982 Buick Regal or their own '79 Camero, looking to
"score" with virginal know-nothing, Red Riding Hoods, that happen to find themselves at 'gang
rape parties' (?), out of nowhere. Who go on to have Leftist careers only to resurrect
repressed memories 35 years later–projected in front of the world
It's a silly framework from which they obsess, but it's similar to Kinsey, Mead and others
of the Left. Sex. Projection, doubling-down, and an absence of due process to punish people for
the very things that actually occupy their minds. Even in her advanced age, you could
tell, Feinstein was enjoying the open air discussions regarding sexual topics.
Let the Right / Never-Trumpers be on notice–Trump is light fare compared to where the
Left will go and has been, regarding women, sex, and all things crass.
After 9/11," said US Navy Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Bill Moran, "our focus was
supporting the ground fight, which meant we were operating that force a lot, and when you
operate the force a lot it eats up a lot of your cash, it eats up a lot of your service
life."
Operating a Nimitz-class carrier runs about $298 million per year, the Government
Accountability Office estimated in a 1997 study. The current carrier fleet is made up entirely
of Nimitz-class carriers, with the lone ship of the new Ford-class still undergoing sea
trials.
"Add on to this the cost of the air wing, the combat power behind the aircraft carrier," a
US Navy lieutenant commander wrote in thesis paper from 2012. "An average current air wing is
composed of four fighter/attack squadrons of 10-12 aircraft each, an electronic warfare
squadron of four aircraft, an airborne command and control squadron of four aircraft, two
onboard delivery aircraft and a helicopter squadron of six aircraft."
The workhorse F/A-18 carrier aircraft, according to the Office of the Under Secretary of
Defense Comptroller, costs about $10,507 to fly per hour. Brett Odom, former F/A-18 pilot and
financial expert at Fighter Sweep, has disputed the Pentagon's cost accounting, however, on the
grounds that it only covers marginal costs.
Odom estimated that the cost to pay pilots and support crews, conduct engine maintenance and
fuel the aircraft for an hour was $11,140 -- approximately in line with DoD's estimate. But
then there is the cost of the aircraft itself: an F/A-18 runs about $65 million. Odom refers to
this figure as capital cost. Incorporating the average acquisition cost smoothed out over an
expected life of 6,000 flight hours into the equation, the expert reached $22,000 in cost per
flight hour.
"There are valid reasons to ignore capital costs and treat them as sunk costs in certain
situations. However, by ignoring capital costs, the Department of Defense is implicitly stating
that its fighter aircraft are free, or -- like the pyramids -- they can be expected to function
forever," Odom wrote
for Fighter Sweep in 2016.
"This has all been building up" for 17 years "through overuse of the carrier force and naval
aviation," former Pentagon official Bob Work said in comments to USNI.
"When we kept two carriers in the Persian Gulf for a period of time, we kept telling the
senior leadership that this was going to have a downstream effect, and it would really put a
crimp maintenance-wise, and there would be gaps both in the Pacific as well as the Middle East.
That is coming home to roost," Work said.
While the US Navy carrier fleet was taxed abroad, Washington's defense budgets continued to
grow.
"It's fairly obvious that corporate interests for the defense industry like Raytheon and
others have driven a lot of our spending in the last 20 years or so, especially given the War
on Terror post-9/11," Daniel Sankey, a California-based financial policy analyst, said in an
interview with Sputnik News.
"We've carried this huge, outsized expenditure," he noted. "Eventually the money supply
starts going down. It's not infinite, even though the US pockets are pretty deep."
The carrier force is now facing the music of the Pentagon's "credit card wars" since 9/11,
conflicts that have been paid for with mostly borrowed funds. Brown University's Institute for
International and Public Affairs found that post-9/11 war expenses add up to about $5.6
trillion.
"You have a thoroughbred horse in the stable that you're running in a race every single day.
You cannot do that. Something's going to happen eventually," Secretary of the Navy Richard V.
Spencer told reporters in August.
Seeing Orthodoxy and Martin Luther mentioned in the same place reminded me of the amusing
history of early Lutheran contacts with the eastern Church:
Most Christians are not aware that in the latter part of the 16th century, early
Lutheran Reformers -- close colleagues and followers of Martin Luther -- set in motion an
eight year contact and correspondence with the (then) Ecumenical Patriarch, Jeremias II of
Constantinople. The outcome might have changed the course of Christian history. Kevin Allen
speaks with scholar Dr Paraskeve (Eve) Tibbs about this fascinating and largely unknown
chapter in post-Reformation history.
From Wittenberg to Antioch
September 16, 2007 Length: 32:12
A fascinating interview with Fr. Gregory Hogg, an Antiochian priest in Western Michigan.
Fr. Gregory was a Missouri Synod Lutheran pastor and professor for 22 years before coming
to Orthodoxy.
[...]
Long story short, the western reformers were too argumentative and lawyerly for the
Patriarch of Constantinople to take. He essentially said "please stop writing to me".
Always remember the equally lurid "recovered memories" of UFO abduction survivors. It's the
same mush pulled out and reinjected into the hippocampus only in a form that is even harder to
swallow.
One would think Psychologist Ford, who apparently needs one herself (a shrink, that is)
would have some self-awareness about. Apparently not.
Unless it's really all about renting out her bedroom illegally.
"... Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" exemplifies very well how the hysteria of girls can be so dangerous that innocent men can be made to suffer terrible if not fatal consequences. ..."
"... In fact, the only allegation we hear is of "witch" "he sexually abused me". ..."
Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" exemplifies very well how the hysteria of girls can be so
dangerous that innocent men can be made to suffer terrible if not fatal consequences.
Three hundred years later, the modern version of Abigail Williams, Christine Ford, with no
facts, no evidence, no corroborative support other than other hysterical girls, with one finger
pointing to John Proctor's modern portrayal played by a hapless Brett Kavanaugh, is found at
the whim of a delusional embittered girl.
Like Abigail Williams, Christine Ford, with self loathing and hatred for any man, has found
cold support from self-serving political leaders whom have nothing other than their own
personal grandiose agendas for public glorification and self apotheosis. Like Reverend Samuel
Paris, the wicked Feinstein and hypocritical sycophants like Booker, with their sanctimonious
disregard for the rule of law and procedure of fact finding and procedural evidence, just as
during Salem's hysteria cast supreme judgement on hollow words of a clearly embittered,
delusional rantings of a wobabies (i.e. woman babies) whom can't even remember where, when, and
what actually was done to them and to herself, Christine Ford. But like Abigail Williams, she
is sure it was John Proctor, excuse me I mean Brett Kavanaugh.
In fact, the only allegation we hear is of "witch" "he sexually abused
me". Ah if Abigail was so fortunate, as no doubt Abigail would find Ford to have been,
maybe there would have been no Salem Witch Trials, and John Proctor would have lived. Like
wise, maybe the truth here is that Ford whom admits to not being raped, is really embittered
just for that!
But how can we know? Especially when, after 35 or more years of Ford's meteoritic incapacity
to remember even where the house this occurred in, when this "sexual thing" happened. Abigail
Williams would have done so much better today!
It has been over three hundred years since those unfaithful days of Salem, and here we find
ourselves again, having to face the same vacuous allegations of embittered girls whom don't
remember anything but that evil that was done by John Proctor and Brett Kavanaugh.
I think it is time for a new and updated version of The Crucible. With Christine Ford now
playing Abigail Williams, and a devastated Kavanaugh the new Proctor. As for Reverend Paris,
Senator Feinstein will do that role with great aplomb.
Three hundred years, and the United States of America is once again en-ravaged by the
rantings of embittered girls that have been unable to grow up and deal with their own emotional
short-comings. No wonder Ford is a psychologist, she's certifiably nuts!
"... On balance, although Judge Kavanaugh and his family were the ones who had to pay the price for this bitter learning experience ..."
"... What this sordid affair was all about was the zombie-like return-from-the-dead of a phenomenon exposed and pretty much completely invalidated more than thirty years ago, which never should have been permitted to raise its ugly head before an assembly of rational, educated Americans: the "Recovered Memory" (aka "False Memory") Syndrome movement of the 1980s, in which numerous troubled, frequently mentally off-balance, women (and a few men) came forward to declare that they had been the victims of incestual sexual abuse – most often actual sexual intercourse – at the hands of mature male family members; usually fathers but sometimes uncles, grandfathers, or others. ..."
"... Their testimony was usually highly emotional and impassioned, leaving an impression very similar to that conveyed last night by Dr. Ford. ..."
"... The "Recovered" (or "False") Memory Syndrome movement emerged in the midst of the steadily radicalizing Feminist Movement in the United States, probably at the very apogee of its extreme evolution, and was a movement in which Freudian therapy was central and Freudian therapists came to play the leading role. ..."
"... It was only after they had been subjected to extensive pseudo-scientific Freudian "therapy," in which sex always lay prominently at the center, that virtually all of these women came forward with these stories. ..."
"... nd, in this dispute the American ultra-Feminists chose to believe and preach the worst, most salacious, and most vicious possible interpretation of Dr. Freud's highly speculative, evidence-less, and – as subsequent study has overwhelmingly shown – completely contrived diagnoses. ..."
"... Beginning with a conviction that cocaine could provide a substantial therapeutic base for solving psychological problems, Freud seems himself to have become for a period a regular consumer of that drug, but subsequently altered the focus of his therapy to hypnosis. After realizing certain limitations to this approach, he shifted again, turning to the so-called "Talking Cure" rooted in provoking word associations, which provided the basis for the classic Freudian method of popular imagination – with the patient reclining on a couch and the good Dr. seated behind with his notebook and pen in hand. This is the method he retained for the rest of his life. ..."
"... Analysis thus follows a circular course, the analyst's theoretical surmise being first subtly communicated to the patient, then confirmed by the patient's casting of his (or, more often her) own ideas within the framework which had been suggested by the analyst. In the end, nothing new is actually discovered. The patient merely replicates the expressed Freudian doctrine. ..."
"... Those women patients, and a few men, became their victims, but in turn became the perpetrators in the savaging of numerous men's lives, as these men were subjected to the most vicious accusations imaginable. Most of these accusations were, in retrospect, clearly fantasies in a ruthless mid-20th century male-witch hunt. ..."
"... Into this popular intellectual desert walks Dr. Ford, both whose personal history and her strange physical mannerisms in testimony before the Senate clearly indicate she has unfortunately suffered some form of serious psychological disturbance. ..."
"... Seemingly alienated from her own parents and most immediate family members, she has made her home as far away from the Washington, DC area ..."
"... In 2012 she underwent some sort of psychological counseling with her husband, though the details as far as I know have not emerged. But, it hardly seems likely coincidental that her first documentable expressions of antipathy to Judge Kavanaugh occurred in that year, when it was announced that Judge Kavanaugh was considered the likely Supreme Court appointee should Mit Romney win the Presidential election. Her expressions of antipathy to him have only grown from there. ..."
We still have to wait to see whether Judge Kavanaugh's appointment will go through, so the
most important practical consequence of this shameful exercise in character assassination is
as yet unknown. I'm pretty sure he'll eventually be appointed.
But, I think some critical theoretical aspects of the context in which this battle was
waged were definitively clarified in the course of this shameful and hugely destructive
effort by the Democrat leadership to destroy Judge Kavanaugh's reputation in pursuit of
narrow political advantage. On balance, although Judge Kavanaugh and his family were the ones
who had to pay the price for this bitter learning experience, all of us should be the
long-term beneficiaries of this contest's central but often hidden issues being brought to
light and subjected to rational analysis. I want to show what I think these hidden issues
are.
What this sordid affair was all about was the zombie-like return-from-the-dead of a
phenomenon exposed and pretty much completely invalidated more than thirty years ago, which
never should have been permitted to raise its ugly head before an assembly of rational,
educated Americans: the "Recovered Memory" (aka "False Memory") Syndrome movement of the
1980s, in which numerous troubled, frequently mentally off-balance, women (and a few men)
came forward to declare that they had been the victims of incestual sexual abuse – most
often actual sexual intercourse – at the hands of mature male family members; usually
fathers but sometimes uncles, grandfathers, or others.
Their testimony was usually highly emotional and impassioned, leaving an impression
very similar to that conveyed last night by Dr. Ford. Many hearers were completely
convinced that these events had occurred. I recall having a discussion in the 1990s with two
American women who swore up and down that they believed fully 25% of American women had been
forced into sexual intercourse with their fathers. I was dumbfounded that they could believe
such a thing. But, vast numbers of American women did believe this at that time, and many
– perhaps most – may never have looked sufficiently into the follow-up to these
testimonials to realize that the vast majority of such bizarre claims had subsequently been
definitively proven invalid.
The "Recovered" (or "False") Memory Syndrome movement emerged in the midst of the
steadily radicalizing Feminist Movement in the United States, probably at the very apogee of
its extreme evolution, and was a movement in which Freudian therapy was central and Freudian
therapists came to play the leading role.
It was only after they had been subjected to extensive pseudo-scientific Freudian
"therapy," in which sex always lay prominently at the center, that virtually all of these
women came forward with these stories. A major controversy, which arose within the ranks
of the Freudians themselves over what was the correct understanding of the Master's
teachings, lay at the core of the whole affair. A nd, in this dispute the American
ultra-Feminists chose to believe and preach the worst, most salacious, and most vicious
possible interpretation of Dr. Freud's highly speculative, evidence-less, and – as
subsequent study has overwhelmingly shown – completely contrived diagnoses.
It's now known that Dr. Freud's journey to the theoretical positions which had become
orthodoxy among his followers by the mid-20th century had followed a strange, little known,
possibly deliberately self-obscured, and clearly unorthodox course. Beginning with a
conviction that cocaine could provide a substantial therapeutic base for solving
psychological problems, Freud seems himself to have become for a period a regular consumer of
that drug, but subsequently altered the focus of his therapy to hypnosis. After realizing
certain limitations to this approach, he shifted again, turning to the so-called "Talking
Cure" rooted in provoking word associations, which provided the basis for the classic
Freudian method of popular imagination – with the patient reclining on a couch and the
good Dr. seated behind with his notebook and pen in hand. This is the method he retained for
the rest of his life.
The primary fault which has been cited for Freud's methods generally, but which has been
particularly critiqued in both hypnosis and the "Talking Cure" as a reason for their
invalidation, is the claim that both – at least inadvertently – incorporate the
high probability of suggestion from the therapist. In this view, patient testimony moves
subtly, and probably without the patient's awareness, from whatever his or her own
understanding might originally have been to the interpretation implicitly propounded by the
analyst. Analysis thus follows a circular course, the analyst's theoretical surmise being
first subtly communicated to the patient, then confirmed by the patient's casting of his (or,
more often her) own ideas within the framework which had been suggested by the analyst. In
the end, nothing new is actually discovered. The patient merely replicates the expressed
Freudian doctrine.
The particular doctrine at hand was undergoing a critical reworking at this very time, and
this important reconsideration of the Master's meaning almost certainly constituted a major,
likely the predominating, factor which facilitated the emergence of the Recovered Memory
Syndrome movement. Freudian orthodoxy at that time included as an important – seemingly
its key – component the conviction of a child's (even an infant's) sexuality, as
expressed through the hypothesized Oedipus Complex for males, and the corresponding Electra
Complex for females. In these complexes, Freud speculated that sexually-based neuroses
derived from the child's (or infant's) fear of imagined enmity and possible physical threat
from the same-sex parent, because of the younger individual's sexual longing for the
opposite-sex parent.
This Freudian idea, entirely new to European, American, and probably most other cultures,
that children, even infants, were the possessors of an already well-developed sexuality had
been severely challenged by Christian and some other traditional authorities, and had been
met with repugnance from many individuals in Western society. But, the doctrine, as it then
stood, was subject to a further major questioning in the mid-1980s from Freudian historical
researcher Jeffrey Masson, who postulated, after examining a collection of Freud's personal
writings long kept from popular examination, that the Child Sexual Imagination thesis itself
was a pusillanimous and ethically-unjustified retreat from an even more sinister thesis the
Master had originally held, but which he had subsequently abandoned because of the
controversy and damage to his own career its expression would likely cause. This was the
belief, based on many of his earlier interviews of mostly women patients, that it wasn't
their imaginations which lay behind their neuroses. They had told him that they had actually
been either raped or molested as infants or young girls by their fathers. This was the secret
horror hidden away in those long-suppressed writings, now brought into the light of day by
Prof. Masson.
Masson's research conclusions were initially widely welcomed within the psychoanalytical
fraternity/sorority and shortly melded with the already raging desire of many ultra-Feminist
extremists to place the blame for whatever problems and dissatisfactions women in America
were encountering in their lives upon the patriarchal society by which they claimed to be
oppressed. The problem was men. Countless fathers were raping their daughters. Wow! What an
incentive to revolutionary Feminist insurrection! You couldn't find a much better
justification for their man-hate than that. Bring on the Feminist Revolution! Men are not
only a menace, they are no longer even necessary for procreation, so let's get rid of them
entirely. This is the sort of extreme plan some radical Feminists advocated. Many
psychoanalysts became their professional facilitators, providing the illusion of medical
validation to the stories the analysts themselves had largely engendered. Those women
patients, and a few men, became their victims, but in turn became the perpetrators in the
savaging of numerous men's lives, as these men were subjected to the most vicious accusations
imaginable. Most of these accusations were, in retrospect, clearly fantasies in a ruthless
mid-20th century male-witch hunt.
This radical ideology is built upon the conviction that Dr. Freud, in at least this one of
his several historical phases of interpretative psychological analysis, was really on to
something. But, subsequent evaluation has largely shown that not to be the case. The same
critique which had been delivered against the Child Sexual Imagination version of Freud's
"Talking Cure" analytical method was equally relevant to this newly discovered Father
Molestation thesis: all such notions had been subtly communicated to the patient by the
analyst in the course of the interview. Had thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions
of European and American women really been raped or molested by their fathers? Freud offered
no corroborating evidence of any kind, and I think it's the consensus of most competent
contemporary psychoanalysts to reject this idea. Those few who retain a belief in it betray,
I think, an ideological commitment to Radical Feminism, for whose proponents such a view
offers an ever tempting platform to justify their monstrous plans for the future of a human
race in which males are subjected to the status of slaves or are entirely eliminated.
But, the judicious conclusions of science often – perhaps usually – fail to
promptly percolate down to the comprehension of common humanity on the street, and within the
consequent vacuum of understanding scheming politicians can frequently find opportunity to
manipulate, obfuscate, and distort facts in order to facilitate their own devious and often
highly destructive schemes. Such, I fear, is the situation which has surrounded Dr. Ford. The
average American of either sex has absolutely no familiarity with the history, character, or
ultimate fate of the Recovered Memory Syndrome movement, and may well fail to realize that
the phenomenon has been nearly entirely disproved.
Into this popular intellectual desert walks Dr. Ford, both whose personal history and
her strange physical mannerisms in testimony before the Senate clearly indicate she has
unfortunately suffered some form of serious psychological disturbance.
Seemingly alienated from her own parents and most immediate family members, she has
made her home as far away from the Washington, DC area where she was born as possible
within the territorial limits of the continental United States. The focus of her professional
research and practice in the field of psychology has lain in therapeutic treatment to
overcome mental and emotional trauma, a problem she has acknowledged has been her own
disturbing preoccupation for many decades. In 2012 she underwent some sort of
psychological counseling with her husband, though the details as far as I know have not
emerged. But, it hardly seems likely coincidental that her first documentable expressions of
antipathy to Judge Kavanaugh occurred in that year, when it was announced that Judge
Kavanaugh was considered the likely Supreme Court appointee should Mit Romney win the
Presidential election. Her expressions of antipathy to him have only grown from
there.
Dr. Ford is clearly an unfortunate victim of something or someone, but I don't believe it
was Judge Kavanaugh. Almost certainly she has been influenced in her denunciations against
him by both that long-term preoccupation with her own sense of psychological injury, whatever
may have been its cause, and her professional familiarization with contemporary currents of
psychological theory, however fallacious, likely mediated by the ministrations of that
unnamed counselor in 2012. Subsequently, she has clearly been exploited mercilessly by the
scheming Democratic Party officials who have viciously plotted to turn her plight to their
own cynical advantage. As in so many cases during the 1980s Recovered Memory movement, she
has almost certainly been transformed by both the scientifically unproven doctrines and the
conscienceless practitioners of Freudian mysticism from being merely an innocent victim into
an active victimizer – doubling, tripling, or even quadrupling the pain inherent in her
own tragic situation and aggressively projecting it upon helpless others, in this case Judge
Kavanaugh and his entire family. She is not a heroine.
Rules-of-thumb
-- -- -- -- -- -- -
1. A good offense is the best defense.
2. An ambush backed up by overwhelming force is a good offense.
3. Use of weapons and tactics, of which the defender is unprepared for, is a good offense.
Are Republicans et al. unable to understand basic military strategy? Do we lack the
ability to conceive of new tactics and weapons to use against Democrats and Globalists?
I realize that it is unacceptable to attack this poor helpless victim so the "it can't be
corroborated" card has to be played. However, who else notices how carefully manicured these
charges are such that they can never be falsified? This is the actual proof she is a liar and
this whole thing is staged.
She always takes everybody on some emotional ride right up to the point where she could be
exposed but never with enough information so somebody could come out of the woodwork and
prove she is a liar. We also have the infamous letter where we are repeately reminded she
mailed it BEFORE Kavanaugh was picked. Of course, we only have Feinstein's word for that
since nonody saw it until after this crap started. The delay was used to puch up the story
with new revelation about Mike Judge in a grocery store that shied away from her –
again with no specific date so Judge could prove she is a liar. This all reeks of testimony
gone over and coached by a team of lawyers.
We also have all of our own recollections of high school insecurities and male-female
interactions. What freshman or sophomore girl didn't get all giddy at the thought of the
older guys hitting on her so she could tell all her friends about her older boyfreind and
possibility of going to the prom as a lower classman? All he had to do (assuming he wasn't
replusive physically and he was a bit of a jock) was make the usual play of pretending to be
interested and he likely would have been at least getting to first base at the party. From
her pictures she was no Pamela Anderson and would likely have been flattered. The idea that
you rape someone without trying to get the milk handed to you on a silver platter is
ridiculous.
This is another female driven hysteria based on lies like the child molestation and
satanic cult hysterias of years past. Those were all driven by crazy or politically motivated
women who whipped up the rest of the ignorant females.
Outside doors enter public areas kitchen sunroom living rooms not bedrooms. An outside
door into a master bedroom with attached bathroom is a red flag that it's intended for an
illegal what's called in law apartment
Your post is very perceptive and just might be how it all went down. With the
complications of couples' counseling over her demand for the bizarre double main entry doors.
(lulz) Though I would think any family that built an illegal in-law apartment into their Palo
Alto house and deployed it, would be ratted out by their neighbors.
@Wally She reminded me of Samantha Power, the one suffering for us on TV as she uses her
Responsibility To Protect subscription to lay waste on whatever is currently the Death Star.
Clearly Google should acquire the status of a public utility -- like the Ma Bell telephone
system was regulated in the 1950's. Google is too powerful -- it should not have the cultural
monopoly power it has over our society.
"The people" and their mass interests are preeminent in the hierarchy things. Like it or
not -- Google is a product of our culture -- therefor our culture has a valid claim on its
actions.
It comes down too private ownership vs. public interest. As a pure libertarian I do not
like it -- but as a realist, the mass interests of the people counts.
The "golden mean" must win out. A compromise must be reached.
Employment at less than a living wage is not "employment."
True, this "living wage" issue has become now America's chronic illness. Once one begins
to look at the real estate dynamics, even for a good earners living in such places as
Seattle, Portland (not to speak of L.A. or SF) becomes simply not affordable, forget buying
anything decent. Hell, many rents are higher than actual mortgages, however insane they
already are.
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to
break its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then
eventually they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the
vanguard.
This did come out of the 19th Century with awful factory conditions, decadent upper
classes (pre WWI) and their unexpected collapse along with the whole Belle Époque in
WW1.
There was plenty of fuel for socialism with 1) a fashionable new intellectual left 2)
political fluidity 3) politically bankrupt Ancien Regimes.
In my opinion fashionable radical vanguards saw the possibility of harnessing these forces
to take power -- some of them acting idealistically -- some not. The key point was that
Ancien Regimes were weakened by WW1, with a good example being Russia with its military
failures and its decadent and ineffectual Czarist government.
In these unusual circumstances, the self appointed Bolshevik Radical Vanguard could
exploit the disaffection of Russian soldiers in Petrograd and Lenin could unilaterally issued
General Order Nº1 as the self appointed head of the Council of Soldiers and Workingmen's
Deputies (ignoring the Provisional Government) with all military units ordered to remove
their existing officers and elect new ones. This was coupled with promises to stop the war
and give all peasant soldiers their own private farms, which predictably went down very well
and wrecked army discipline.
Francis also went on to say, "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are
internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the
elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came at the end of November 1917, they
filled the assembly hall with soldiers and rejected the result of the vote (Social
Revolutionaries 20,893,743, Bolsheviks 9,023,963 out of 36,257,960 votes cast). The
Bolsheviks declared that Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established
his dictatorship.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans
did in WW2.
@AP You are
the one that lives in echo chamber. Bolsheviks looted the country. It is the dumbest comment
I have ever heard. You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
Bolsheviks actually saved and built the country and current regime has been living from what
was built by Commies ever since. I just pointed that so called left is not left. But you
asked for this. You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites
which reveals who you are amptly.
@melanf
Exactly. I am tired of all this BS. We lived free lives and I have never seen armed
milicioner / police officer outside of movies. Be the state clearly cared about majority that
is until the top got all rotten. I'm hoping, right to vote is not sign of freedom Isn,' t it
obvious by now?
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to break
its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard.
This did come out of the 19th Century with awful factory conditions, decadent
upper classes (pre WWI) and their unexpected collapse along with the whole Belle Époque
in WW1.
There was plenty of fuel for socialism with 1) a fashionable new intellectual left 2)
political fluidity 3) politically bankrupt Ancien Regimes.
In my opinion fashionable radical vanguards saw the possibility of harnessing these forces
to take power - some of them acting idealistically - some not. The key point was that Ancien
Regimes were weakened by WW1, with a good example being Russia with its military failures and
its decadent and ineffectual Czarist government.
In these unusual circumstances, the self appointed Bolshevik Radical Vanguard could exploit
the disaffection of Russian soldiers in Petrograd and Lenin could unilaterally issued General
Order Nº1 as the self appointed head of the Council of Soldiers and Workingmen's Deputies
(ignoring the Provisional Government) with all military units ordered to remove their existing
officers and elect new ones. This was coupled with promises to stop the war and give all
peasant soldiers their own private farms, which predictably went down very well and wrecked
army discipline.
Source: "Russia from the American Embassy" by David Rowland Francis, U.S. ambassador to
Russia for 5 years from March 1916 to March 1921.
https://www.amazon.com/Russia-American-Embassy-April-1916-November/dp/B00B6ZE8NI/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
Francis also went on to say, "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists
and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the
elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came at the end of November 1917, they filled
the assembly hall with soldiers and rejected the result of the vote (Social Revolutionaries
20,893,743, Bolsheviks 9,023,963 out of 36,257,960 votes cast). The Bolsheviks declared that
Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established his dictatorship.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans did
in WW2.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans
did in WW2.
The Bolsheviks disgusting, but this statement ("on a scale far exceeding anything the
Germans did in WW2″) is an obvious lie
" In fact, the number of prisoners for political reasons (for "counterrevolutionary crimes")
in the USSR in the period from 1921 to 1953, i.e. after 33 years was about 3.8 million people
during this period ( 1921 to 1954 ) has been convicted 3 777 380 people, including to capital
punishment -- 642 980, to the contents in camps and prisons for a term of 25 years and below --
2 369 220, into exile and expulsion -- 765 180 people".
Hopefully the FBI will investigate this collusion between Soros and the Democrats and Ms.
Katz to influence the results of the judicial nomination process.
If you don't know all the local issues and controversies -- and I'll admit I don't -- it
makes the mid-terms hard to call.
In general–about 80% of the time–midterms go against a sitting president. But
in this case, I agree with the Derb: I think the Dims are in a rude awakening.
It's nice that our Israeli embassy has been moved to Jerusalem
Nice? Speak for yourself!
It's nice that Senator Graham has found his high dudgeon at last. Now that he's found
it, though, how long will it be before he turns it against immigration patriots?
That's probably the only reason Graham was chosen to publicly throw a fit: he's
inside-the-Beltway safe. He can huff and puff and talk tough on this hearing, precisely
because the Establishment knows he'll never really go against them on issues like immigration
or foreign policy. Remember the Clarence Thomas hearings? Remember how Arlen Specter was the
Republican standard-bearer back then? Nuff said.
@ advancedatheist It is difficult in these trying times to find good entertainers.
I thought confirmation hearings,were to test for qualifications required to be a
Supreme?
Such things as ability to write, understanding of the complexities of the constitution,
beliefs and past rulings, convictions about the bill of rights, and things like that? The
Constitution is supposed to create the structure of government, authorize payment of fat
salaries to 527 elected entertainers and limit the scope of the personal financial activities
while in office. I can't image a confirmation hearing that would review the judicial history
of the past rulings and professional activities of a candidate. The audience would not be
interested to hear what those who practice law and interact with the candidate had to say
about him and his legal abilities. When and in which tent are those hearings to begin?
Where are the opinions by Judge Kavanaugh? Why have they not been produced for inspection
in the hearings? What does this man think? Why did Trump select Judge Kavanaugh to be a
supreme? At the moment it looks like the the hearings have been conducted to cover for the
attacks by Israel on Russian Airplanes in Syria. I can think of no other reason for such a
circus?
What I have seen, heard and read describe another propaganda guided privately owned media
production with side shows by two of the best known acts in circus life ( shows by the Gods
of poop and by the Democraps were featured).
I still don't know anything about Judge Kavanaugh do you?
I hereby claim that Lindsey Graham and Larry Kudlow are horrible whores for the GOP Cheap
Labor Faction. Both Lindsey Graham and Larry Kudlow push wage-reducing open borders mass
immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.
I also strongly suggest that Larry Kudlow and Lindsey Graham were big backers of the Iraq
War debacle.
Larry Kudlow and Lindsey Graham both push sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams.
Larry Kudlow has no memory whatsoever of any guest ever at his house. Is Larry Kudlow a
ruling class louse?
Trump brought on board his ship of state all sorts of louts such as Larry Kudlow, Gary
Cohn, Steve Mnuchin, Nikki Haley, John Bolton and many other no good bastards. Trump invited
the swamp into the White House.
"... Christine Ford has taken the false allegations racket a bit too far. She is probably lying, as how come she did not call 911 or file a police report if this happened? She comes from a family of lawyers. She has an army of attorneys who would have rushed and filed police reports and filed civil suits if any man had dared touch her. ..."
Christine Ford has taken the false allegations racket a bit too far. She is probably
lying, as how come she did not call 911 or file a police report if this happened? She comes
from a family of lawyers. She has an army of attorneys who would have rushed and filed police
reports and filed civil suits if any man had dared touch her.
That did not happen for 3 decades for one reason -- nothing happened on the night in
question.
The Democrats, who are a criminal party, must have coached her and offered her a few 100K
under the table, disguised as speaking fees, or scholarship, for manufacturing this
racket.
Kavanaugh has proved himself unfit for the position of supreme court justice. Under heavy
fire, he has shown that he is a spineless coward, a crying baby incapable of fighting back
like a man. Moreover, he is a total idiot.
What did he expect, that the baby killers were going to accept even the possibility of a
supreme court justice who may vote to overturn Wade VS Roe and the end of Planned Parenthood?
He has shown that this totally expected attack took him by surprise. What a fool!
Courage under fire? Call the Marines, but not Kavanaugh.
The key word there is of course "gentlemanly." Could any concept be more at odds with
the zeitgeist than gentlemanliness? It's hard not to think there's a demographic dimension
to this. That older style of courtesy, forbearance, and compromise that used to inform our
politics was a white-European thing, perhaps particularly an Anglo-Saxon-Celtic thing.
I agree that politics in the US is coarsening like our pop culture and increasingly
looking like 3rd world politics. This is where America is headed as we become more culturally
enriched:
The neocons and neolibs has always been the indignant, end justifies the means crowd.
Since Trump's election they've completely gone off the rails....
You're right about Trump being a big disappointment so far in immigration. Caving here and
calling for an FBI investigation makes him look as stupid as Flake. Fat chance FBI will close
it in a week. This is the same agency that gave us Mueller, Comey, McCabe, Ohr, Strzok, Page,
the Steele Dossier, owned by Deep State and corrupt to the core. These GOP fools are once
again playing right into the hands of the (((Dems))) – Feinstein, Blumenthal, Schumer
and Ford's lawyer Bromwich, already complaining about the 'artificial timeline'. No one can
ever outcon the financial elite.
"... The corporatist state naturally strives to perfect itself, imposing a "final solution" to the ASP (anti-social person) problem by mandating that henceforth no non-genetically-engineered babies may be born. The result is a very one-sided "race war" in which a few antisocial malcontents try to hold out against what amounts to a genocide against "uncorrected" humanity. The plot follows two of those ASP antiheroes as they throw rocks at the Israeli bulldozer of corporatist genocide. ..."
In El-Akkad's dystopian vision, the War on Muslims mutates into the War on Southerners --
but has nothing to do with race. Instead, the Yankee Terror State turns its savagery against
the New Rebels of the Free Southern States because those good ole boys and girls (of all shades
of skin pigmentation and sexual preference) refuse to give up fossil fuels, choosing instead to
secede from the Union.
Al-Akkad's vision of blue vs. red global-warming-driven war run amok in a near-future
America that has completely forgotten about the whole concept of race is surprisingly
plausible, at least while you are reading it. (Civil War I, after all, was really
about economics not race , so why shouldn't Civil War II also be over an economic issue?)
The plot turns on the adventures of Sarat, a young Red State woman of mixed and meaningless
(near-black Chicano and po' white trash) ancestry who awakens politically and goes after the
Blue State occupiers in pretty much the same way the Iraqi resistance went after George W.
Bush's storm troopers.
... ... ...
C.J. Hopkins offers a deeper, more accurate, vastly funnier, more genuinely subversive
vision. His far-future America, which bears an uncanny resemblance to our nightmarish present,
features drone-patrolled hyper-surveiled cities, each of which is divided by an Israeli-style
Wall complete with Israeli-style checkpoints and incursions featuring Israeli-style killings of
hapless untermenschen. But instead of Israelis vs. Palestinians, the divide here is between the
Normals on one side of the wall and the Anti-Socials on the other. The Normals -- good
corporate citizens who are submitting to pharmaceutical and genetic correction so they can work
and consume and conform and live meaningless lives like everybody else without batting an
eyelash -- are conditioned to fear and loathe the Antisocials, who retain enough humanity to
rebel, in whatever pathetically insignificant way, against corporatist dystopia.
Zone 23 , like American War , imagines the future as post-racial: Hopkins'
Normal vs. Antisocial divide isn't about race. But it is, nonetheless, very much about
behavioral genetics. In this (not so) far future, the Hadley Corporation of Menomonie,
Wisconsin has developed a variant-corrected version of the MAO-A gene. Inserted into embryos
via germline genetic engineering, this patented DNA produces "clears": people who are
intelligent but incurious, incapable of emotionally-driven fight-or-flight aggression
(including the most common defensive variety), "easily trained, highly responsive to visual and
verbal commands," and so on. In other words, perfect corporate citizens!
The corporatist state naturally strives to perfect itself, imposing a "final solution" to
the ASP (anti-social person) problem by mandating that henceforth no non-genetically-engineered
babies may be born. The result is a very one-sided "race war" in which a few antisocial
malcontents try to hold out against what amounts to a genocide against "uncorrected" humanity.
The plot follows two of those ASP antiheroes as they throw rocks at the Israeli bulldozer of
corporatist genocide.
Hopkins' ferociously funny yarn is not just a satire on our ever-worsening techno-dystopia.
In imagining a genetic basis to the difficulties many of us experience adjusting to
hyperconformist "technologically-enhanced" lifestyles, and in portraying individuals struggling
and flailing against the uber-civilization around them like flies caught a spider web, Zone
23 resonates with the great
critiques of technological civilization .
Those are signs of political crisis, not the other way around
Notable quotes:
"... The historical parallel is American social and political polarization in the decades prior to the American Civil War. It is conceivable martial law and military power will resolve the conflict and contradictions not reconciled by rule of law and politics. ..."
I am concerned about dysfunction and incivility
in American culture and politics.
The historical parallel is American social and political polarization in the decades
prior to the American Civil War. It is conceivable martial law and military power will resolve
the conflict and contradictions not reconciled by rule of law and politics.
This topic was raised when Senator Lindsey Graham questioned Judge Brett Kavanaugh in the
confirmation hearings.
See YouTube video: Senator Lindsey Graham Questions Brett Kavanaugh Military Law vs Criminal Law.
"... The theory of polygraph is that confronting a liar and making him speak a specific lie will cause a nervous response whose physical manifestations are detectable. ..."
"... Deliberately letting her off the hook from having to speak (or even listen to) the lies she is being asked to affirm seems like a transparent way to avoid triggering her galvanic skin response or other physical indicia of dishonesty. ..."
"... In my mind, the fakey nature of the polygraph exam counts against her credibility and not for it. ..."
"... As Graham and Ted Cruz, both lawyers, pointed out, people who commit such acts tend to have a trail of such activities, but after 6 FBI background checks, Kavanaugh came out squeaky clean. The man of God swore to God and the whole country that he did not do any of these things, that to me is good enough to attest to his innocence. ..."
"... First, what about the testimony of her best friend, who wrote in a sworn testimony that the party never took place, that she does not know Kavanaugh, and had never saw him at any party? ..."
@Ron Unz Ron .Think harder. First the entire process is cynical. 45 Dems were going to
vote against him regardless, This is all about peeling off a handful of votes.
Its about black balling a SC nominee because something might have happened. Of course
those 45 Dems could care less why they vote against him.
The Polygraph, to the extent it means anything, can only test if she believes it happened,
And it was administered as paid for by her Lawyers.
As far as drinking, it is a tactic to increase FUD. If he ever drank to the extent his
memory was ever hazy, he 'could've done anything and not remember it.
Finally, she volunteered herself. Its not like she was was identified as someone that was
in Kavanaugh's circle. She may never have met him.
Finally, why was it so traumatic? Because he laughed? It is not unlikely that someone that
fought off a drunken groping would actually felt empowered.
Rape is now a social construct entirely defined by women. Its their right to enjoy BSDM
like that promoted in 50 Shades of Gray but more extreme. Yet it is weaponized. Its like
being a commie or homo in the 1950s. Now 1950s commies and homos are celebrated. Traditional
definitions of rape were stranger rape and it was a potential capital crime. Its been
conflated to include what would have been considered bad manners.
In the Court System, there are enough due process safeguards to have forced College
officials to set up their alternative adjudication procedures.
Sorry Ron the only people who believe polygraphs work is the industry trying to
sell them. Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer passed them. So did Aldrich Ames our own
Russian Mole spy. If a person believes something then her vitals like Ford may be in a
certain range not to make the examiner find anything out of the ordinary. The polygraph
theoretically measures the autonomic system response. Any nervousness, stress, blood pressure
etc. can change whether the person is telling the truth or not.. I believe there have been
people that have passed the test that claim they were abducted by Aliens and UFOs.
Ford's memories have little validity because these therapies often produce false memories
and fill in the blank episodes. The Repubs should have asked her if she was on any drug or
had taken drugs in the past. How much does she still drink because all of these could
influence memories. Instead they became a door mat for the sick Me Too movement. Her memories
could also be a form of release for guilt of her drugged laden sexual past which now lets her
not blame herself. It was all of those drunken white guys who did it not me I am not
responsible. Now I feel better.
@Nicephorus Freud is a perfect representation of the Jewish obsession with all manners of
sexual perversion. The man was seriously F in the head, a total fraud who plied his patients
with cocaine and morphine then faked his test results...
Does anyone among us think that the FBI that has vetted Judge Kavanaugh six times already
won't turn up something on their seventh attempt? After all, DJT has been at war with them
nearly since Inauguration Day and Rosenstein is still riding high...
@Ron Unz I haven't followed the proceedings myself – apart from anything else I'm
not American – but one of the blogs I follow is the Irish Savant and he has a short,
punchy article about this affair if you're interested. I find him generally quite reliable
– even though he's obviously quite annoyed in this particular posting, as opposed to
his usual more laid-back and witty self.
From my own point of view, she-said, he-said unsubstantiated stuff from people now in
their 50′s, talking about stuff that happened in their mid to late teens, is just plain
bonkers. Totalitarian states demand that the accused prove their innocence – I was
under the impression that Western jurisprudence found you innocent until proven guilty. So is
a mere allegation now considered proof?
Not a road we'd want to go down, surely. And there's probably good reasons why polygraph
tests aren't accepted in law courts, as a circa 80% reliability just isn't good enough.
@Ron Unz Her polygraph exam was a joke. She and her lawyer drafted a vague, one-page
statement that does not say "Brett Kavanaugh tried to rape me."
The test-giver then asked her exactly one question, in two different ways: (1) Is your
statement true? and (2) Did you make it up?
The theory of polygraph is that confronting a liar and making him speak a specific lie
will cause a nervous response whose physical manifestations are detectable.
Deliberately letting her off the hook from having to speak (or even listen to) the lies
she is being asked to affirm seems like a transparent way to avoid triggering her galvanic
skin response or other physical indicia of dishonesty.
In my mind, the fakey nature of the polygraph exam counts against her credibility and not
for it.
P.S. It's also entirely possible that she failed a prior (more rigorous) exam, and they
just threw it away and tried again. Because it is attorney work product they wouldn't have
had to disclose that.
P.P.S. I wish I knew how to grab and paste a link from my phone, but a copy of her
polygraph report with the written statements and examination questions is easily findable
online if anyone wants to see it.
I am pro-choice and anti-gun, Kavanaugh is not at all my ideal judge. But
truth and fairness is much more important than my personal views on social issues.
I watched the trial with an open mind, and I came away thinking that the whole thing was a
farce, an embarrassment not just to Ford and Kavanaugh, but to all of Congress and the entire
country. This is a hearing that never should've been in public, it should've been in private
between the two parties, but Democrats clearly manipulated the situation and wanted to use it
to destroy an innocent man whose only crime is harboring certain political views that they
disagree with. It is pure evil.
Ford probably had been groped or worse treated in her youth, partly thanks to her own hard
partying lifestyle(according to her yearbook she was a popular cheerleader with a reputation
for hard partying and chasing boys), but she's got the wrong man in Kavanaugh, and her
accusations are at least partially politically motivated. All 3 people she named as
witnesses, incl. her best friend, swore under oath that such a party never even took place.
What she has is a bullshit case.
As Graham and Ted Cruz, both lawyers, pointed out, people who commit such acts tend to
have a trail of such activities, but after 6 FBI background checks, Kavanaugh came out
squeaky clean. The man of God swore to God and the whole country that he did not do any of
these things, that to me is good enough to attest to his innocence.
The Democrats should be ashamed of themselves for such foul play, they are an
embarrassment to the whole country. Honor and integrity no longer matters to the left. They
have lost all sense of decency in their quest to hold on to power. The end justifies the
means. Flake the idiot needs to go ESAD.
Most of us would probably be far more upset if we were wrongly accused by a
bunch of crazy women whose only goal was to prevent us from getting that one job we worked
our whole lives for.
I am a woman and I think Ford lied through her teeth while Kavanaugh told the truth, and I
don't even like Kavanaugh's politics. Not a single witness she named corroborated her story.
She came across as someone who had one too many drinks in her life.
First, what about the testimony of her best friend, who wrote in a sworn
testimony that the party never took place, that she does not know Kavanaugh, and had never
saw him at any party?
Second, even if this all did happen, which is a big IF, they were both underage. We're
talking about a bunch of teenagers here. He groped but did not rape her. Who among us have
not done stupid things we wish we hadn't done when we were young and stupid? Judge the man
for who he is today, not who he was when he was a kid. There's a reason why we allow people
to expunge their juvenile records when they reach 18.
This whole trial is a FARCE, an embarrassment to the whole country.
Well, here's my impression of a possible "bare-bones" version of the incident
At an unsupervised suburban pool party, a couple of drunken teenage football players
pulled a girl into a bedroom, pawed at her a little while they were laughing, then let her
run away. Since they knew they hadn't had the slightest intent of gang-raping her, they
didn't regard what happened as being a big deal. However, it's quite possible that the
15-year-old girl had actually been pretty scared, and she long remembered it.
Doesn't she claim she mentioned it to people years before Kavanaugh was nominated for the
SC? Didn't Mike Judge write a whole book about how he had spent years in crude drunken
misbehavior? Isn't he currently hiding so that he can't be called as a sworn witness?
Also, isn't Kavanaugh now claiming he remained a virgin all through HS and college or
something like that? Given that he and his friend Judge were drunken jocks and his yearbook
was filled with all sorts of crude sexual humor, is that really plausible?
I suspect that administering official polygraphs to Ford, Kavanaugh, and Judge would soon
clear up the facts. We're not talking about trained spies or anything. And three polygraphs
would probably increase the likelihood of a solid result.
Since I haven't watched the hearings or paid much attention to the story, maybe some of
the above material is just erroneous. But offhand, I think it's more plausible than claiming
this is all part of a CIA plot.
Whether this is a good test of Supreme Court Justices is entirely a different story
The Democrats, who are a criminal party, must have coached her and offered her a few
100K under the table, disguised as speaking fees, or scholarship, for manufacturing this
racket.
It isn't under the table – it's over it. She has a couple of GoFundMe accounts that
have already racked up $ 700,000. Of course, the 6-7 figure book deal will follow.
The FBI is about to investigate something that
didn't happen somplace on some uncertain day in 1982 to see if someone did something that
contradicts a large body of evidence that shows this would be totally out of character. This is
considered rational thought in the public space!
I'm sorry you could not account for Graham's outburst. I thought it the only honest thing
any of the Senators did. It makies me think less of you that you didn't see the outrage of the
whole presumption that this could even be discussed.
And no I don't believe that preposterous [to think that] Blasey [is CIA] operative. She and
her whole family work for the CIA.
Jones is circulating what many may call a conspiracy theory that Ford's father is a previous
CIA operative and a heavy-weight in arranging many avenues for the CIA to launder illicit
money. He implies that this was a classic CIA op.
He doesn't say so directly in anything I've read, although I don't read everything he
writes or listen to everything he says. But he clearly implies this.
Trump is at war with the IC. So, it's not unimaginable that such a thing is happening.
A very shrewd observation, widely misattributed to Voltaire, states that "To learn who rules
over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." Or put another way,
individuals are reluctant to publicly challenge those whose power they fear. Certainly, this
simple standard helps to explain many important aspects of America's severely malfunctioning
political system.
what will society be like 50 years from now? I posit:
- Man and women will now have to be chaperoned when they are together when
they meet (hmm I do believe Islam has that covered).
- Man and women will not be allowed to be in the same room together (for you never know what could happen, right!) (Hmm I do
believe that Islam has that covered too!)
- Men will no longer be able to look lustfully at a women, that could be construed as assault! (Hmmm women will have to dress
less provocatively – wow – Islam has that covered too it appears there is a trend here!
"... How come the guys in the Southern and mid-Atlantic colonies didn't feel the need to accuse raucous women of being witches in order to get them back to their senses? ..."
"... I can imagine Southern or mid-Atlantic colonial men would tell the misbehaving women to knock off the nonsense or they might tell the women to stop bothering them while they're drinking ale. ..."
With more to come this is just the beginning (similar to the actual Salem witch
accounts, which grew over time)
How come the guys in the Southern and mid-Atlantic colonies didn't feel the need to accuse
raucous women of being witches in order to get them back to their senses?
Hackett Fischer readers might say the colonists and settlers came from different parts of
England and different parts of England treated women differently.
I can imagine Southern or mid-Atlantic colonial men would tell the misbehaving women to
knock off the nonsense or they might tell the women to stop bothering them while they're
drinking ale.
You don't go overboard and accuse women of being witches just because the uproarious
broads are getting on your nerves.
Hillary Clinton is too evil to be a witch, she is a demon sent from Hell to destroy us,
men and women alike.
The Ragin' Cajun, I believe, coined the phrase "Nuts and Sluts" to succinctly describe the
tactic used by the elites I call The Davos Crowd to smear and destroy someone they've
targeted.
Brett Kavanaugh is the latest victim of this technique. But, there have been dozens of
victims I can list from Gary Hart in the 1980's to former IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn to
Donald Trump.
"Nuts and Sluts" is easy to understand. Simply accuse the person you want to destroy of
being either crazy (the definition of which shifts with whatever is the political trigger issue
of the day) or a sexual deviant.
This technique works because it triggers most people's Disgust Circuit, a term created by
Mark Schaller as part of what he calls the Behavioral Immune System and popularized by
Johnathan Haidt.
The disgust circuit is easy to understand.
It is the limit at which behavior in others triggers our gut-level outrage and we recoil
with disgust.
The reason "Nuts and Sluts" works so well on conservative candidates and voters is because,
on average, conservatives have a much stronger disgust circuit than liberals and/or
libertarians.
This is why it always seems to be that anyone who threatens the global order or the
political system always turns out to have some horrible sexual deviance in their closet.
It's why the only thing any of us remember about the infamous Trump Dossier is the image of
Trump standing on a bed in a Moscow hotel room urinating on a hooker.
The technique is used to drive a wedge between Republican voters and lawmakers and make it
easy for them to go along with whatever stupidity is brought forth by the press and the
Democrats.
And don't think for a second that, more often than not, GOP leadership isn't in cahoots with
the DNC on these take-downs. Because they are.
But, here's the problem. As liberals and cultural Marxists break down the societal order, as
they win skirmish after skirmish in the Culture War, and desensitize us to normalize ever more
deviant behavior, the circumstances of a "Nuts and Sluts" accusation have to rise
accordingly.
It's behavioral heroin. And the more tolerance we build up to it the more likely people are
to see right through the lie.
It's why Gary Hart simply had to be accused of having an affair in the 1980's to scuttle his
presidential aspirations but today Trump has to piss on a hooker.
And it's why it was mild sexual harassment and a pubic hair on a Coke can for Clarence
Thomas, but today, for Brett Kavanaugh, it has to be a gang-rape straight out of an 80's frat
party in a Brett Eaton Ellis book -- whose books, by the way, are meant to be warnings not
blueprints.
Trump has weathered both the Nuts side of the technique and the Sluts side. And as he has
done so The Resistance has become more and more outraged that it's not working like it used
to.
This is why they have to pay people to be outraged by Kavanaugh's nomination. They can't
muster up a critical mass of outrage while Trump is winning on many fronts. Like it or not, the
economy has improved. It's still not good, but it's better and sentiment is higher.
So they have to pay people to protest Kavanaugh. And when that didn't work, then the fear of
his ascending to the Supreme Court and jeopardizing Roe v. Wade became acute, it doesn't
surprise me to see them pull out Christine Blasie Ford's story to guide them through to the
mid-term elections.
And that was a bridge too far for a lot of people.
The one who finally had enough of 'Nuts and Sluts' was, of all people, Lindsey Graham . Graham is one of
the most vile and venal people in D.C. He is a war-mongering neoconservative-enabling
praetorian of Imperial Washington's status quo.
But even he has a disgust circuit and Brett Kavanaugh's spirited defense of himself, shaming
Diane Feinstein in the process, was enough for Graham to finally redeem himself for one brief
moment.
When Lindsey Graham is the best defense we have against becoming a country ruled by men
rather than laws, our society hangs by a thread.
It was important for Graham to do this. It was a wake-up call to the 'moderate' GOP senators
wavering on Kavanaugh. Graham may be bucking for Senate Majority Leader or Attorney General,
but whatever. For four minutes his disgust was palpable.
The two men finally did what the 'Right' in this country have been screaming for for
years.
Fight back. Stop being reasonable. Stop playing it safe. Trump cannot do this by
himself.
Fight for what this country was supposed to stand for.
Because as Graham said, this is all about regaining power and they don't care what damage
they do to get it back.
The disgust circuit can kick in a number of different ways. And Thursday it kicked in to
finally call out what was actually happening on Capitol Hill. This was The Swamp in all its
glory.
And believe me millions were outraged by what they saw.
It will destroy what is left of the Democratic Party. I told you back in June that
Kanye West and Donald Trump had won the Battle of the Bulge in the Culture War. Graham and
Kavanuagh's honest and brutal outrage at the unfairness of this process was snuffing out of
that counter-attack.
The mid-terms will be a Red Tide with the bodies washing up on the shore the leadership of
the DNC and the carpet-baggers standing behind them with billions in money to buy fake
opposition.
The truth is easy to support. Lies cost money. The more outrageous the lie the more
expensive it gets to maintain it.
Because the majority of this country just became thoroughly disgusted with the Democrats.
And they will have no one to blame but themselves.
"... I think you've really nailed it, Anastasia. Watching this farce on TV, a few things were quite obvious to me: Christine Ford is a very disturbed and unhappy woman. The Republicans were afraid to question her. So, they brought on this attorney from Phoenix, who was a total flop. Senator Graham finally rode in to save the day. (I am not accustomed to praising Graham. But he was effective yesterday.) The lead democrats, Feinstein, Leahy, and Durbin, were actually ashamed when senior Republicans publicly called them out for the sham they were perpetrating on the American people. The silly Senator from Hawaii and Dick Blumenthal demonstrated that they had no shame. All in all, it was a low point for the Senate. ..."
They were too afraid of the women's movement, and therefore could not bring themselves to
challenge her in any way. Interspersed between the prosecutors questions which did not have
the time to develop, was the awards ceremony given by the democrats to the honoree.
But we , the people, all saw that she was mentally disturbed. Her appearance (post clean
up); her testimony, her beat up looks, drinking coke in the morning, the scrawl of her
handwriting in a statement to be seen by others, the foggy lens, the flat affect, the little
girl's voice and the incredible testimony (saying "hi" to her rapist only a few weeks later
and expecting everyone to believe that is normal, remembering that she had one beer but not
remembering who took her home; not knowing that the offer was made to go to California as if
she were living on another planet, her fear of flying, her duper's delight curled up lips
– all the tell tale signs were there for all the world, except the Senate the media, to
see.
She went to a shrink with her husband in 2012, and it was her conduct that apparently
needed explaining, so she confabulated a story about 4 boys raping her when she was 15 to
explain her inexplicable conduct to her husband, and maybe even to her friends. She later
politicized the confabulation, and she is clearly going to make a few sheckels with her
several go fund me sites that will inexplicably show $10.00 donations every 15 seconds.
She was the leaker. She went to the press almost immediately in July. They were too afraid
to point that out to everyone because the phoniest thing about her was that she wished to
remain anonymous.
As a foreign observer, I watched the whole hearing farce on CNN till midnight in Germany. For
me, from the beginning, it seemed a set up by the Democratic Party that has not emancipated
itself from the Clinton filth and poison. As their stalwart, Chuck Schumer said after the
nomination of Judge Kavanaugh that the Dems will do everything to prevent his confirmation.
They found, of course, a naive patsy in Dr. Ford, not to speak of the other two disgraceful
women that prostituted themselves for base motives. Right from the beginning, Dr. Ford played
to me the role of an innocent valley girl, which seemed to make a great impression on the CCN
tribunal that commented biasedly during the breaks of the hearing committee. It was a great
TV-propaganda frame.
Don't forget; the so-called sexual harassment occurred 36 years (!) ago. Dr. Ford was 15,
and Judge Kavanaugh was 17 years old. But Dr. Ford discovered her "suffering" after she heart
from the nomination of Kavanaugh in July 2018. Why didn't she complain to the police after
the "incident" happened in 1982 or at least after the "me to movement" popped up? May it as
it is. Everybody who knows the high school or prep-school-life and behavior of American
youths should not be surprised that such incidents can happen. When I studied at the U of
Penn for my M.A. degree, I got to know American student campus life. For me, it was a great
experience. Every weekend, wild parties were going on where students were boozed and screwed
around like hell. Nobody made a big fuss out of it.
On both sides, the whole hearing was very emotional. But get one argument straight: In a
state of the law the accuser has to come up with hard evidence and not only with suspicions
and accusations; in a state of the law, the accused has not to prove his innocence, which
only happens in totalitärian states.
Why did the majority of the Judiciary Committee agree on a person like the down-to-earth
and humdrum person such as Mitchell to ask questions? It seems as if they were convinced in
advance of Kavanaugh's guilt. The only real defender of Kavanaugh was Senator Lindsey Graham
with his outburst of anger. If the Reps don't get this staid Judge Kavanagh confirmed they
ought to be ashamed of themselves.
This hearing was not a lesson in a democratic process but in the perversion of it.
@WorkingClass Really – everyone should know by now that in any sex related offence,
men are guilty until proven innocent .& even then "not guilty" really means the defendant
was "too cunning to be found guilty by a patriarchal court, interpreting patriarchal Law."
My comment on those proceedings today was this: "This is awful, I've never seen a more
tawdry, sleazy performance in my life – and I've seen a few. No Democrat will ever get
my vote again. They can find some other party to run with. Those people are despicable.
Details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKSRUK-l7dM”
;
Later on, I noted: "None of this has anything to do with his record as a judge – and
that's not such a good record: https://www.lawfareblog.com/judge-brett-kavanaugh-national-security-readers-guide
at least if you're concerned with the Constitutional issues SCOTUS will actually decide. None
of it, not one word. It's irrelevant. It's partisan harassment, it's defamation, it's
character assassination, and all of it is *irrelevant* , it's useless – and in the end
it will be both futile, because there will be a party line vote, and counterproductive,
because a lot of people will be totally repelled by the actions of the Clintonistas –
because that's what those people are."
The Neocons are evil. They despise Middle America almost as much as do the wild-eyed
Leftists, just in a different way for slightly different specific reasons.
Well it looks like the repubs will get what they want – a woman abusing (like their
President) alcoholic defender of the rich and powerful. Fits right into their "elite" club.
After watching the Big Circus yesterday, I rate Ford's performance a 6 (sympathetic person,
but weak memory and zero corroboration). Cavanaugh gets an 8 (great opening statement,
wishy-washy and a dearth of straight answers during questioning). Had it been a tie, the fact
that the putative event occurred when he was 17 would break it.
@anastasia Good points, but yesterday's inference is that she became permanently
disturbed by the incident 36 years ago . In my experience, most psychologists are attracted
to that field to work out personal issues -- and aren't always successful. Ms. Ford fits that
mold, IMHO.
One thing I haven't heard is a challenge to Ford's belief that her attackers intended
rape. That may or may not be true. Ford testified about "uproarious laughter." That sounds to
me more like a couple of muddled, drunken male teens having their idea of "fun" -- i.e.,
molestation and dominance (which is certainly unacceptable, nonetheless).
Much ado about nothing. Attempted political assassination at it's best. American's have once
more been disgusted to a level they previously thought impossible. Who among us here does not
remember those glorious teenage years complete with raging hormones? What man does not
remember playing offense while the girl's played defense? It was as natural as nature itself.
No harm, no foul, that's just how we rolled back in the late 70′s and early 80′s.
@anastasiaI think you've really nailed it, Anastasia. Watching this farce on TV, a
few things were quite obvious to me: Christine Ford is a very disturbed and unhappy woman.
The Republicans were afraid to question her. So, they brought on this attorney from Phoenix,
who was a total flop. Senator Graham finally rode in to save the day. (I am not accustomed to
praising Graham. But he was effective yesterday.) The lead democrats, Feinstein, Leahy, and
Durbin, were actually ashamed when senior Republicans publicly called them out for the sham
they were perpetrating on the American people. The silly Senator from Hawaii and Dick
Blumenthal demonstrated that they had no shame. All in all, it was a low point for the
Senate.
For his part, Kavanaugh is oddly obtuse for one who is said to be such a great jurist.
Meek, mild and emotional, he does not seem up to the task of defending himself.
It appears that Ms. Mercer wrote this before the second half when things were looking
bleak.
Reminded me of Super Bowl 51 at halftime. I even tuned out just like I did that game until
I checked in later to see that the Patriot comeback was under way.
@mike k You are a useful idiot for the destruction of western civilization. Men are not
abusers of women, excepting a few criminals. Men protect families from criminals.
@Haxo Angmark Yes, Ms Mitchell did a very incompetent job, but it won't matter. Kavanaugh
will be confirmed Saturday, due to his own counterattack and refusal to be a victim.
Little miss pouty head cute face was a huge liar, obvious from the second I heard her. The
kind of chick who can go from a little sad voice to screaming and throwing dishes and
brandishing a knife in a heartbeat.
"... For otherwise, why did the Israelis do that? Were they just careless and brutal, as is their wont? They didn't give a damn about the Russians, and considered them a lesser breed, whose life is of little importance. This is a possible reading, quite consistent with their general attitude to strangers considered to be children of a lesser God ..."
There was a lull when the disaster of the downed plane completely disappeared from media,
Russian or Western. It was not mentioned by the New York Times , it was not mentioned
by the Russian newspapers. And after that, unexpectedly, the Russian Defence Minister Mr Shoygu
made his announcement. Russia responded adequately, closing the sky over Syria, or at least
over Western Syria, and activating its powerful GPS-jamming system off the Syrian coast. Israel
has lost its right to bomb Syria at will.
The Russians said it will take them two weeks to deliver, install and make the system
operative. I have heard that the system of up to eight S-300 had already been delivered by
massive airlift a few days ago, with cargo planes landing in Syria every few minutes. Probably
two weeks will be needed to install and activate the system.
Now in Israel the response was of two kinds. The hot heads said Israel is not worried by
S-300; they know how to deal with it, and if necessary, Israeli commandos will come and
sabotage the system just in time for a massive air attack by Israeli bombers. Sensible people
said Israel should try to repair relations with the Russian military. The Russians did a lot of
what the Israelis asked them for, including removal of Iranian forces from the vicinity of
Israeli borders (rather, armistice lines). A thorough investigation of the air disaster may
uncover the mistakes and convince the Russians that they aren't likely to occur again.
Netanyahu sounded like he was trying to minimise the strife with the Russians. After meeting
with President Trump in New York, he said that he came with specific requests "and I received
everything I wanted from him [Trump]. Our goal is to preserve the connection with Russia and on
the other hand to defend Israel's security against these threats."
So, for good or bad, Israel is not going to break relations with Russia, and Russia is not
going to go further, beyond sealing Syria's sky for Israeli raids. If Israeli leadership will
keep its fingers away from Syria, things may cool down. Otherwise, the results will be quite
unpredictable.
In Israel, there aren't many people at the top, apart of Netanyahu and Lieberman, who
cherish their country's involvement with Russia. For Israelis, Putin is one of many unsavoury
leaders from Idi Amin to Orban their country has to play ball with. Russia is not popular with
ordinary Israelis who prefer America or Germany. A lot of Israelis will be pleased with breakup
of this connection. Immediately after the Russian decision had been announced, Haaretz had made
its feelings clear: "In recent years, Russia has been caught lying or spreading disinformation
about its role in a number of incidents, the most recent being its involvement in the U.S.
presidential elections, the poisoning of the former Russian agent Sergei Skripal and his
daughter in Britain, and the invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. So it's hard to believe
that anyone but Syria and Iran will adopt the Russian version of last week's events." This is
not a way one's partner is usually described.
More conspiratorially minded Israelis opined that beyond downing of the Il, there was an Air
Force plot against Netanyahu and Lieberman who are unpopular within the top echelon of IDF.
Others say it was an American Secret Service plot to undermine Russian-Israeli connection.
For otherwise, why did the Israelis do that? Were they just careless and brutal, as is their
wont? They didn't give a damn about the Russians, and considered them a lesser breed, whose
life is of little importance. This is a possible reading, quite consistent with their general
attitude to strangers considered to be children of a lesser God.
On the other hand, it is possible that the whole Israeli raid had been staged to down the
reconnaissance plane and to leave the Russians without its real-time intelligence data. In
1967, the Israelis bombed and sunk the USS Liberty , an electronic spy ship, the then
equivalent of Il-20, for they did not want to have foreign eyes and ears in the area. But then,
there was an ongoing full-scale war between Israel and Egypt, and the USS Liberty had
been attacked just before the planned Israeli invasion of the Syrian Golan Heights.
Could it be that Israelis expected an attack by France, England and the US upon Syria on
that night, an attack that did not materialise thanks to the Russian-Turkish agreement on
Idlib? There was a British plane and a French frigate in the vicinity, and a whole lot of
American ships.
The agreement on Idlib was a very important event, though Il-20 displaced it out of our
collective memory. Putin and Erdogan reached a working compromise, thus avoiding almost
unavoidable large scale hostilities. The White Helmets had already prepared a film with staged
chemical attack upon Syrian children, but the agreement had made the attack improbable in the
first place. It is possible that the American coalition assault had been postponed in the last
moment, when the Russian plane had been already downed.
However, all is well that ends well. Russian decision to create practically a no-fly zone is
a good decision, good for all. It is good for Russians as they learned that their
Commander-in-Chief can make strong decisions. It is good for Syria, as they will suffer less of
the Israeli bombardments. And it is really good for Israel, as this naughty child, a spoiled
brat, a darling of America had to be forbidden to bother neighbouring children. The automatic
missile defence system will provide a threat of spanking. The kid had been told that he is not
allowed to kill neighbours. With its excessive aggressiveness multiplied by impunity, Israel
has been spoiled, as anybody would. With this block, Israel can still become a mensch
, and for this chance, thank you, Russia.
Will Tel-Aviv use this chance? The US will try to frustrate the Russian taming of Israel.
John Bolton and Mike Pompeo already declared that no one may interfere with Israel's divine
right to freely bomb Syria. Will the Israeli lobby in America be able to neutralise Moscow's
decision and unhinge Israeli soul once again? Will they convince Putin to postpone his decision
like they did in April, and a few years ago? I do not think so.
We can congratulate the leadership of Russia on the consistent, justified and well-balanced
decision that may yet tame the Jewish shrew.
"... It should be noted that Herbert Marcuse was employed by the the U.S.'s OWI (Office of War Information) and then Bill Donovan's OSS (precursor to the CIA) during WWII. Though long dead, HM would be proud of today's Germany, probably the most guilt-inflicted, self-loathing community in the world. ..."
"One hopes that Rensmann is a rare specimen of the epigenesis of brainwashing via post war
psychological warfare against the German people and, more subtly, the American people."
Unfortunately, the only difference between Rensmann's embrace of the Frankfurt School
"Gnosis" and that of the average German is that Rennsmann's job is to celebrate their genius.
While most Germans probably don't have a clue as to who Marcuse, Adorno, etc. where and how
they were employed, most Jurgens and Gretas in contemporary Deutschland are thoroughly
"Frankfurted".
It should be noted that Herbert Marcuse was employed by the the U.S.'s OWI (Office of War
Information) and then Bill Donovan's OSS (precursor to the CIA) during WWII. Though long
dead, HM would be proud of today's Germany, probably the most guilt-inflicted, self-loathing
community in the world.
"... Trump's worldview is dominated by a zero-sum view of international relations in which the U.S. is constantly being ripped off by everyone. ..."
"... Trump is a militarist by instinct and as a matter of policy, and his progressive critics repudiate that as well. ..."
"... Trump's critique of past U.S. foreign policy boils down to complaining that other countries don't pay us for protection and that the U.S. doesn't plunder resources from the countries it invades. This is not, to put it mildly, what progressives consider to be wrong with U.S. foreign policy. ..."
"... The key failing in Brands' column is that he buys into the falsehood that Trump is in favor of "global retreat," and so he worries that both parties will soon be led by candidates advocating for that. For one thing, there has been no "retreat" under Trump, and everything he has done since taking office has been to mire the U.S. more deeply in the multiple wars he inherited. ..."
"... Literally never heard a Democratic Socialist advocate for anything other than what you summarized – threat de-escalation, reduce US military footprint abroad, don't use the threat of military force as a "diplomatic tool", stop the drone war, end the war in Afghanistan, etc. ..."
"... Of course right now Dem Socialists are just as marginalized within the Democratic party as you are within the Trumpian Neocon hellscape of the current Republican leadership. Maybe one day the Senate will have more Rand Pauls and Chris Murphys but right now we've just got a bunch of Grahams and Schumers perfectly happy to let Trump continue down this dark path. ..."
According to Brands, "the ideas at the heart of Trump's critique of U.S. foreign policy are also the ideas at the heart of the
progressive critique," but that's also simply not true. Trump's worldview is dominated by a zero-sum view of international relations
in which the U.S. is constantly being ripped off by everyone.
The progressive critics he cites specifically reject that assumption and emphasize the importance of international institutions.
Trump is a militarist by instinct and as a matter of policy, and his progressive critics repudiate that as well.
Trump's critique of past U.S. foreign policy boils down to complaining that other countries don't pay us for protection and
that the U.S. doesn't plunder resources from the countries it invades. This is not, to put it mildly, what progressives consider
to be wrong with U.S. foreign policy.
The key failing in Brands' column is that he buys into the falsehood that Trump is in favor of "global retreat," and so he
worries that both parties will soon be led by candidates advocating for that. For one thing, there has been no "retreat" under Trump,
and everything he has done since taking office has been to mire the U.S. more deeply in the multiple wars he inherited.
For another, progressives aren't calling for a "retreat" from international engagement, either. They are opposed to certain aggressive
and destructive policies, but they don't eschew engagement and cooperation with other states.
On the contrary, they are advocating
for more of that while rejecting the militarism that Trump embraces. Indeed, Bessner anticipates Brands' silly criticism and explicitly
says, "None of this means the United States should retreat from the world."
Anthony M says: September 26, 2018 at 5:30 pm
Literally never heard a Democratic Socialist advocate for anything other than what you summarized – threat
de-escalation, reduce US military footprint abroad, don't use the threat of military force as a "diplomatic tool", stop the
drone war, end the war in Afghanistan, etc.
Of course right now Dem Socialists are just as marginalized within the Democratic party as you are within the Trumpian
Neocon hellscape of the current Republican leadership. Maybe one day the Senate will have more Rand Pauls and Chris Murphys
but right now we've just got a bunch of Grahams and Schumers perfectly happy to let Trump continue down this dark path.
"... Rosenstein's discussion of wearing a wire into the Oval Office lends credence to that charge, but there is much more to it. The story begins with the hiring by the Clinton campaign, though its law firm cutout, in June 2016, of the dirt-divers of Fusion GPS. ..."
"... Fusion swiftly hired retired British spy and Trump hater Christopher Steele, who contacted his old sources in the Russian intel community for dirt to help sink a U.S. presidential candidate. ..."
"... Regrettably, Trump, at the request of two allies -- the Brits almost surely one of them -- has put a hold on his recent decision to declassify all relevant documents inside the Justice Department and FBI. ..."
The New York Times report that Rosenstein, sarcastically or seriously in May 2017, talked of
wearing a wire into the Oval Office to entrap the president, suggests that his survival into
the new year is improbable.
Whether Thursday is the day President Donald Trump drops the hammer is unknown.
But if he does, the recapture by Trump of a Justice Department he believes he lost as his
term began may be at hand. Comparisons to President Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre may not be
overdone.
The Times report that Rosenstein also talked of invoking the 25th Amendment to remove Trump
suggests that Sen. Lindsey Graham had more than a small point on "Fox News Sunday": "There's a
bureaucratic coup going on at the Department of Justice and the FBI, and somebody needs to look
at it."
Indeed, they do. And it is inexplicable that a special prosecutor has not been named. For
while the matter assigned to special counsel Robert Mueller, to investigate any Trump collusion
with Russia in hacking the emails of the Clinton campaign and DNC, is serious, a far graver
matter has gotten far less attention.
To wit, did an anti-Trump cabal inside the Department of Justice and the FBI conspire to
block Trump's election, and having failed, plot to bring down his presidency in a "deep state"
coup d'etat?
Rosenstein's discussion of wearing a wire into the Oval Office lends credence to that
charge, but there is much more to it. The story begins with the hiring by the Clinton campaign,
though its law firm cutout, in June 2016, of the dirt-divers of Fusion GPS.
Fusion swiftly hired retired British spy and Trump hater Christopher Steele, who
contacted his old sources in the Russian intel community for dirt to help sink a U.S.
presidential candidate.
What his Russian friends provided was passed on by Steele to his paymaster at GPS, his
contact in the Justice Department, No. 3 man Bruce Ohr, and to the FBI, which was also paying
the British spy.
The FBI then used the dirt Steele unearthed, much of it false, to persuade a FISA court to
issue a warrant to wiretap Trump aide Carter Page. The warrant was renewed three times, the
last with the approval of Trump's own deputy attorney general, Rosenstein.
Regrettably, Trump, at the request of two allies -- the Brits almost surely one of them
-- has put a hold on his recent decision to declassify all relevant documents inside the
Justice Department and FBI.
Yet, as The Wall Street Journal wrote Monday, "As for the allies, sometimes U.S. democratic
accountability has to take precedence over the potential embarrassment of British
intelligence."
Even a leader of unparalleled integrity and probity would likely be outmatched and outflanked
by what we call "the Swamp" and alas, that's not Mr Trump to begin with. I do believe that
Trump is patriotic and wants what's best for the country but 1) that's not enough–he
also has colossal personal liabilities and issues of character and 2) our nation's capital is
full of people who are neither patriotic nor do they want what's best for the country.
The Establishment doesn't take kindly to apostates, whatever their stripe.
If
Russia shot down Israeli aircraft or bombed the airbase from which they took off, or even
obliterated Israel, America would do nothing but bitch and complain. The American military does
not want a war with Russia, because they know they cannot win a conventional war with Russia. I
would go so far as to say that even if Russia sank American warships including an aircraft
carrier America would not go to war.
America does not go to war with countries that have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver
them to the continental United States. That is why she would bend over backwards to prevent a
war with countries like Russia, China or North Korea, and the reason these countries need not
fear America. The prevention of nuclear war is the underlying premise of American foreign
policy. It has been since the nuclear age began. America would only use its nuclear weapons if
the American mainland is hit with nuclear weapons.
America would accept the loss of hundreds or even thousands of its servicemen rather than
have the continental USA turned into a wasteland.
Sorry, not so sure I'd agree. USA/Israel/NATO would love for Russia to lash out against
Israel for a provocation such as this Ilyushin 20 downing; but as the author suggests Russia
knows it could not withstand the combined forces of NATO/Israel/USA in the Syrian theatre.
Russia would not stand a chance.
I would agree with you that the USA has historically only attacked much weaker foes: Viet
Nam, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc. But recently there has been a shift in US military I've read
about, i.e. revisionist powers are now the main focus instead of 'war on terror'. With the
stranglehold 'declare war!' sanctions USA will crush Iran with this November, it means that
there will most definitely be ensuing hot war with Iran, probably early next year. What
happened to Syria will next happen in Iran.
Once Iran is reduced to rubble with US/Israel trained and equipped ISIS proxy armies, the
US and NATO will start destabilising actions along Russia's southern borders, i.e. Caspian
Sea and Georgia. Their plan is to use the same Arab Islamist proxies and/or Chechen Arabs to
start terror attacks in souther Russian provinces, i.e. Grozny, Derbent, Dagestan oblast.
USA/NATO/Israel will try to chip away at Russia's southern provinces using same methods used
in Syria, weaken and balkanize it. This is why Putin is trying so hard to stop them in
Syria.
"... "from which weapons-manufacturing systems were supposed to be transferred to Iran and Hezbollah." ..."
"... The Israelis for their part were using four F-16 fighter bombers to stage a surprise night attack on several sites near Latakia, close to the airbase being used by the Russians. They came in from the Mediterranean Sea and clearly were using the Russian plane to mask their approach as the Ilyushin 20 would have presented a much larger radar profile for the air defenses. The radar systems on the F-16s would also have clearly seen the Russian plane. ..."
"... There was also a back story. The Israelis and Russian military had established a hotline, similar to the one that is used with the U.S. command in Syria, precisely intended to avoid incidents like the Ilyushin shoot-down that might escalate into a more major conflict. Israel reportedly used the line but only one minute before the incident took place, leaving no time for the Russian plane to take evasive action. ..."
"... The Russian Ministry of Defense was irate. It saw the exploitation of the intelligence plane by the Israelis as a deliberate high-risk initiative. It warned "We consider these provocative actions by Israel as hostile. Fifteen Russian military service members have died because of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military. This is absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Russian-Israeli partnership. We reserve the right for an adequate response." ..."
"... Aggressive war directed at a non-threatening country is the ultimate war crime as defined by the Nuremberg Tribunals that followed after the Second World War, yet the United States and its poodles Britain and France have not so much as squeaked when Israel kills civilians and soldiers in its surprise attacks against targets that it alone frequently claims to be linked to the Iranians. Washington would not be in much of a position to cast the first stone anyway, as it is in Syria illegally, bombs targets regularly, to include two major cruise missile strikes, and, on at least one occasion, set a trap that reportedly succeeded in killing a large number of Russian mercenaries fighting on the Syrian government side. ..."
"... There is, of course, an alternative explanation for the Israeli action. Netanyahu might have considered it all a win-win either way, with the Russian plane masking and enabling the Israeli attack without consequence for Israel or, perversely, producing an incident inviting retaliation from Moscow, which would likely lead to a shooting war with the United States after it inevitably steps in to support Israel's government. In either case, the chaos in Syria that Israel desires would continue and even worsen but there would also be the potential danger of a possible expansion of the war as a consequence, making it regional or even broader. ..."
"... It's the same old story. Israel does risky things like attacking its neighbors because it knows it will pay no price due to Washington's support. The downing of the Russian plane through Israeli contrivance created a situation that could easily have escalated into a war involving Moscow and Washington. What Israel is really thinking when it seeks to create anarchy all around its borders is anyone's guess, but it is, to be sure, in no one's interest to allow the process to continue. It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to pull the plug on American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the Middle East. ..."
"... Syria and Israel are still "officially" at war. No peace treaty has ever been signed between them after the 1973 war. ..."
"... Bolton and Pompeo have really excelled themselves over this. Been almost a blackout on reporting over this, at least after initial reporting of the incident. A major world leader slapping down Israel is not something the media wish people to see, might get the wrong idea. ..."
"... Not only that, but the IDF LIED to Russia, stating they were going to attack targets in N. Syria, not around Latakia. ..."
"... It appears that French frigate did fire on Syria, in the hopes that Russia would respond, then Macaroni would cry out to NATO for help under Article 5, which says, "An attack against one is an attack against all" and off we'd go to who knows where, maybe WWIII. ..."
"... How, I asked Fort Russ to explain, did the monsieurs on the French tin can know that Russia wouldn't shoot back and send them all to Davy Jones' Locker? Fort Russ' response? It deleted my comment rather than defend its claim. I'm through with Fort Russ. ..."
"... Trump's infamous campaign slogan of MAGA quickly mutated into MIGA which is the originally intended version anyways. ..."
"... France a real FUKUS country ( France -UK-US ) ..."
"... The French destroyed Libia https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/28/hillary-libya/ ..."
"... There are French colonial troops in 5 african countries https://www.businessinsider.com/frances-military-is-all-over-africa-2015-1?IR=T ..."
"... France steals about 400.000 million euros per year from African ex-colonies with their currency, the CFA franc ( Communnaute Francophone Africaine, currency ) https://africasacountry.com/2018/06/its-time-to-end-the-cfa-franc ..."
"... Never underestimate French colonialism ..."
"... One might as well ask, why were the French on the scene in the first place? In the scenario being discussed here, the French did not shoot for self defence, but because they were told to. Macron would be the perfect lapdog for the job. I agree Macron being the perfect lapdog for the job. I nevertheless find the scenario on Fort-Russ unlikely because of the relative positions of the actors, if they were their true positions, when the Russian plane was hit. ..."
Israel is, of course, claiming innocence , that
it was the Syrians who shot down the Russian aircraft while the Israeli jets were legitimately
targeting a Syrian army facility "from which weapons-manufacturing systems were supposed to
be transferred to Iran and Hezbollah." Seeking to undo some of the damage caused, Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu quickly telephoned Russian President Vladimir Putin to
express his condolences. He also sent his air force chief to Russia on Thursday to provide a
detailed report on what had occurred from the Israeli perspective.
But that story, however it will be spun, is inevitably only part of the tale. The narrative
of what occurred is by now well established. The Russian aircraft was returning to base after a
mission over the Mediterranean off the Syrian coast monitoring the activities of a French
warship and at least one British RAF plane. As a large and relatively slow propeller driven
aircraft on a routine intelligence gathering mission, the Ilyushin 20 had no reason to conceal
its presence. It was apparently preparing to land at its airbase at Khmeimim in Syria when the
incident took place. It may or may not have had its transponder on, which would signal to the
Syrian air defenses that it was a "friendly."
Syrian air defenses were on high alert because Israel had attacked targets near Damascus on
the previous day. On that occasion a Boeing 747 on the ground that Israel claimed was
transporting weapons was the target. One should note in passing that Israeli claims about what
it is targeting in Syria are never independently verifiable.
The Israelis for their part were using four F-16 fighter bombers to stage a surprise night
attack on several sites near Latakia, close to the airbase being used by the Russians. They
came in from the Mediterranean Sea and clearly were using the Russian plane to mask their
approach as the Ilyushin 20 would have presented a much larger radar profile for the air
defenses. The radar systems on the F-16s would also have clearly seen the Russian plane.
The Israelis might have been expecting that the Syrians would not fire at all at the
incoming planes knowing that one of them at least was being flown by their Russian allies. If
that was the expectation, it proved wrong and it was indeed a Syrian S-200 ground to air
missile directed by its guidance system to the larger target that brought down the plane and
killed its fourteen crew members. The Israelis completed their bombing run and flew back home.
There were also reports that the French frigate offshore fired several missiles during the
exchange, but they have not been confirmed while the British plane was also reportedly circling
out of range though within the general area.
There was also a back story. The Israelis and Russian military had established a hotline,
similar to the one that is used with the U.S. command in Syria, precisely intended to avoid
incidents like the Ilyushin shoot-down that might escalate into a more major conflict. Israel
reportedly used the line but only one minute before the incident took place, leaving no time
for the Russian plane to take evasive action.
The Russian Ministry of Defense was irate. It saw the exploitation of the intelligence plane
by the Israelis as a deliberate high-risk initiative. It warned "We consider
these provocative actions by Israel as hostile. Fifteen Russian military service members have
died because of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military. This is absolutely contrary
to the spirit of the Russian-Israeli partnership. We reserve the right for an adequate
response."
Russian President Vladimir Putin was more conciliatory , saying the
incident was a "chain of tragic circumstances." He contrasted it with the Turkish shoot-down of
a Russian warplane in 2015, which was planned and deliberate, noting that Israel had not
actually attacked the Ilyushin. Though the Putin comments clearly recognize that his country's
relationship with Israel is delicate to say the least, that does not mean that he will do
nothing.
Many Israelis are emigres from Russia and there are close ties between the two countries,
but their views on Syria diverge considerably. As much as Putin might like to strike back at
Israel in a hard, substantive way, he will likely only upgrade and strengthen the air defenses
around Russian troop concentrations and warn that another "surprise" attack will be resisted.
Unfortunately, he knows that he is substantially outgunned locally by the U.S., France, Britain
and Israel, not to mention Turkey, and a violent response that would escalate the conflict is
not in his interest. He has similarly, in cooperation with his Syrian allies, delayed a major
attempt to retake terrorist controlled Idlib province, as he works out a formula with Ankara to
prevent heavy handed Turkish intervention.
But there is another dimension to the story that the international media has largely chosen
to ignore. And that is that Israel is now carrying out almost daily air attacks on Syria, over
200 in the past 18 months, a country with which it is not at war and which has not attacked it
or threatened it in any way. It justifies the attacks by claiming that they are directed
against Iran or Hezbollah, not at Syria itself. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted
that any peace settlement in Syria include the complete removal of Iranians, a demand that has
also been repeated by the United States, which is also calling for the end to the Bashar
al-Assad government and its replacement by something more "democratic."
Aggressive war directed at a non-threatening country is the ultimate war crime as defined by
the Nuremberg Tribunals that followed after the Second World War, yet the United States and its
poodles Britain and France have not so much as squeaked when Israel kills civilians and
soldiers in its surprise attacks against targets that it alone frequently claims to be linked
to the Iranians. Washington would not be in much of a position to cast the first stone anyway,
as it is in Syria illegally, bombs targets regularly, to include two major cruise missile
strikes, and, on at least one occasion, set a trap that reportedly
succeeded in killing a large number of Russian mercenaries fighting on the Syrian
government side.
And then there is the other dimension of Israeli interference with its neighbors, the secret
wars in which it supports the terrorist groups operating in Syria as well as in Iran. The
Netanyahu government has armed the terrorists operating in Syria and even treated them in
Israeli hospitals when they get wounded. On one occasion when ISIS accidentally fired into
Israeli-held territory on the Golan Heights it subsequently apologized. So, if you ask who is
supporting terrorism the answer first and foremost should be Israel, but Israel pays no price
for doing so because of the protection afforded by Washington, which, by the way, is also
protecting terrorists.
There is, of course, an alternative explanation for the Israeli action. Netanyahu might have
considered it all a win-win either way, with the Russian plane masking and enabling the Israeli
attack without consequence for Israel or, perversely, producing an incident inviting
retaliation from Moscow, which would likely lead to a shooting war with the United States after
it inevitably steps in to support Israel's government. In either case, the chaos in Syria that
Israel desires would continue and even worsen but there would also be the potential danger of a
possible expansion of the war as a consequence, making it regional or even broader.
It's the same old story. Israel does risky things like attacking its neighbors because it
knows it will pay no price due to Washington's support. The downing of the Russian plane
through Israeli contrivance created a situation that could easily have escalated into a war
involving Moscow and Washington. What Israel is really thinking when it seeks to create anarchy
all around its borders is anyone's guess, but it is, to be sure, in no one's interest to allow
the process to continue. It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to
pull the plug on American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars
in the Middle East.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]
.
"It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to pull the plug on
American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the Middle
East."
Orange Clown's a liar whose presidential campaign was a calculated bait and switch fraud
from the beginning. Our presidential poseur obviously had no intention of following through
on most of his pre-election intimations and campaign promises.
Syria refused "land for peace" initiative in 1967 where it would get back Golan in return for
peace. They never established diplomatic relations and are technically in the state of war.
"The downing of the Russian plane through Israeli contrivance created a situation that
could easily have escalated into a war involving Moscow and Washington"
I don't doubt Israeli contrivance but I expect there is possibly a wider contrivance
involving Netanyahu's poodle Macron:
@Anon Syria
refused "land for peace" initiative in 1967 where it would get back Golan in return for
peace. They never established diplomatic relations and are technically in the state of war.
Which raises a couple of questions. One is whether the deal is still open. Another is why a
secular régime in Syria, like that of Assad, would not recognise Israel now in return
for something substantial which might be money rather than territory.
Syria
refused "land for peace" initiative in 1967 where it would get back Golan in return for
peace. They never established diplomatic relations and are technically in the state of war.
'Syria refused "land for peace" initiative in 1967 where it would get back Golan in return
for peace '
Syria
refused "land for peace" initiative in 1967 where it would get back Golan in return for
peace.
They never established diplomatic relations and are technically in the state of war.
Moshe Dayan, in an interview with an Israeli paper, stated that 95% of border incidents with
Syria were deliberately provoked by Israel
"The downing of the Russian plane through Israeli contrivance created a situation
that could easily have escalated into a war involving Moscow and Washington"
I don't doubt Israeli contrivance but I expect there is possibly a wider contrivance
involving Netanyahu's poodle Macron:
"The downing of the Russian plane through Israeli contrivance created a situation
that could easily have escalated into a war involving Moscow and Washington"
I don't doubt Israeli contrivance but I expect there is possibly a wider contrivance
involving Netanyahu's poodle Macron:
Thought provoking material from Joaquin Flores at Ft Russ News. Was it actually the
French? The Auvergne frigate is an anti-submarine ship equipped with surface-to-air missiles
for self-defence Aster 15, with a range of max 30 km. Unless the French have modified it in
the mean time, which is unlikely since it was launched too recently for that in my opinion,
in 2015, to turn it in an air-defence ship equipped with the more advanced Aster 30 missiles,
with a range of 100-120 km, I doubt they were within striking distance of the IL-20 when it
was hit. On the other hand, it is possible that they have participated in the Israeli attack
against Syria, given that they're equipped with cruise missiles and that ships of the same
class have participated in previous attacks against Syria.
Anyway, I don't think it is wise of Russia to play down French involvement for the sake of
Russian-French relationship. France under Macron is a shit country but the French are too
vain to admit that they have elected a complete moron as president. There is no comparison
with Erdogan's Turkey. Erdogan has way more substance than the Rotschild puppet Macron.
Bolton and Pompeo have really excelled themselves over this. Been almost a blackout on
reporting over this, at least after initial reporting of the incident. A major world leader
slapping down Israel is not something the media wish people to see, might get the wrong idea.
The
Auvergne frigate is an anti-submarine ship equipped with surface-to-air missiles for
self-defence Aster 15, with a range of max 30 km. Unless the French have modified it in the
mean time, which is unlikely since it was launched too recently for that in my opinion, in
2015, to turn it in an air-defence ship equipped with the more advanced Aster 30 missiles,
with a range of 100-120 km, I doubt they were within striking distance of the IL-20 when it
was hit. On the other hand, it is possible that they have participated in the Israeli attack
against Syria, given that they're equipped with cruise missiles and that ships of the same
class have participated in previous attacks against Syria.
Anyway, I don't think it is wise of Russia to play down French involvement for the sake of
Russian-French relationship. France under Macron is a shit country but the French are too
vain to admit that they have elected a complete moron as president. There is no comparison
with Erdogan's Turkey. Erdogan has way more substance than the Rotschild puppet Macron.
Erdogan is a paranoid criminal who has back-stabbed every player he's ever done business with
not to mention his intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, is an alumnus of the Turkish branch of
al-Qaida. Head and shoulders above Macron? I suppose that's possible
If
Russia shot down Israeli aircraft or bombed the airbase from which they took off, or even
obliterated Israel, America would do nothing but bitch and complain. The American military
does not want a war with Russia, because they know they cannot win a conventional war with
Russia. I would go so far as to say that even if Russia sank American warships including an
aircraft carrier America would not go to war.
America does not go to war with countries that have nuclear weapons and the means to
deliver them to the continental United States. That is why she would bend over backwards to
prevent a war with countries like Russia, China or North Korea, and the reason these
countries need not fear America. The prevention of nuclear war is the underlying premise of
American foreign policy. It has been since the nuclear age began. America would only use its
nuclear weapons if the American mainland is hit with nuclear weapons.
America would accept the loss of hundreds or even thousands of its servicemen rather than
have the continental USA turned into a wasteland. I'm inclined to agree with your assessment
of US unwillingness to fight a nuclear power, but .I also can't forget that the US ruling
elites are pathological. Psychotic with hubris, greed & egoism. The "exceptional", the
"indispensable" nation .& worse, the wagging dog to the Israeli tail.
Israel has Zero goodwill. They are a pariah nation.
I'm sure that will be interesting to watch as U.S. power evaporates.
It proves to me that hubris overwhelms strategy; the Jews are the architects of their own
destruction.
My understanding is the Auvergne class frigate has Aster 30 capability from launch,
depending on the configuration ... retrofit would only be necessary in case it had not been
initially equipped - In the French denomination, the Auvergne is a FREMM, anti-submarine, not
FREDA, air-defence. The French FREMM, if the French MoD doesn't lie, is equipped with 16
missiles Aster 15 for self-defence. The FREDAs are equipped with 16 more missiles Aster 30.
Let's say that the Auvergne is in fact equipped with Aster 30 instead of Aster 15 missiles, I
say instead because there would be little room left for its alleged main capabilities if
equipped with both, the likelihood that the French would fire one at a Russian reconnaissance
plane is still less than the plane being hit by mistake by Syrian air-defence.
Why would the
French down a distant slow moving Russian reconnaissance plane? It would make sense if the
plane was much closer to the Auvergne, in which case an Aster 15 would have done the job. The
thing is that it seems that as much as the Il-20 was between the Syrians and the Israelis,
Israelis were between the French and the Russian plane.
Unless the French and the Israeli
hardware are fully integrated, you have to have a hell of a confidence in your stuff to fire
a missile to down the Russian plane in such circumstances. Though the Aster 30 has vertical
launch and anything is possible. I can be wrong but I just find it unlikely.
The Israelis for their part were using four F-16 fighter bombers to stage a surprise
night attack on several sites near Latakia, close to the airbase being used by the
Russians.
Not only that, but the IDF LIED to Russia, stating they were going to attack targets in N.
Syria, not around Latakia.
It appears that French frigate did fire on Syria, in the hopes that Russia would respond,
then Macaroni would cry out to NATO for help under Article 5, which says, "An attack against
one is an attack against all" and off we'd go to who knows where, maybe WWIII.
Israel needs to be dis-armed of its NBC arsenal; nukes, biological and chemical weapons,
which they will deny having, but as usual, it's just another LIE coming from a nation filled
with religious zealots who think some G-d they created will protect them from nuclear bursts
and that they have the G-d given right to kill any Gentile they want, w/o repercussions.
Erdogan is a paranoid criminal who has back-stabbed every player he's ever done
business with ... not to mention his intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, is an alumnus of the
Turkish branch of al-Qaida. Head and shoulders above Macron? I suppose that's possible...
And
Macron is an egomaniac with and Oedipus complex who oftens makes non-sensical sentences that
send his admirers into trance. The only plus of Macron compared to Erdogan is that he knows
his masters. The down side is that he doesn't know his own country, while Erdogan does. So
yes, it is possible.
"The downing of the Russian plane through Israeli contrivance created a situation
that could easily have escalated into a war involving Moscow and Washington"
I don't doubt Israeli contrivance but I expect there is possibly a wider contrivance
involving Netanyahu's poodle Macron:
Thought provoking material from Joaquin Flores at Ft Russ News. Was it actually the
French? I left a response on the Fort Russ article asking them to explain exactly why French
naval personnel would wish to sacrifice their lives for the greater glory of the
gerontophiliac juvenile war criminal in Paris.
How, I asked Fort Russ to explain, did the monsieurs on the French tin can know that Russia wouldn't shoot back and send them all to
Davy Jones' Locker? Fort Russ' response? It deleted my comment rather than defend its claim. I'm through with Fort Russ.
The Nuremberg standard was only set up to be used against goyim and goy nations who don't
have Jewish occupation governments. Israel must be pretty stupid as if wider, regional war
breaks out then Tel Aviv should be considered a legitimate target and in the event of a
nuclear war no doubt Russia has nukes destined for Tel Aviv and rightly so.
Trump's infamous campaign slogan of MAGA quickly mutated into MIGA which is the originally
intended version anyways. Obedience to Israel has become a norm in presidential election
campaigns. Even the disenfranchised minority caucuses, including and especially the Black one
is firmly in Israel's pockets now. The Black leadership role has now been essentially reduced
to making the odd noise after the shooting of an unarmed Black by a White cop.
"The Black leadership role has now been essentially reduced to making the odd noise
after the shooting of an unarmed Black by a White cop."
As a brown person in Asia I grew up inculcated with the idea that I must always be in
solidarity with black people in America and they would be with me (it was the 1970s, Malcolm
X was still a fresh memory, Muhammad Ali still strode the scene like a colossus, and Martin
Luther King Jr was still thought of as a hero in most circles).
Today, black Americans are people so wallowing in self abnegation that they mass voted for
the racist war criminal Killary Clinton, owing to whose actions black people in America were
incarcerated in hitherto unknown numbers; due to whose crimes black people in Haiti were
looted to destitution; because of whom black people in Libya are literally being sold as
slaves. Black Americans parade around saying "black lives matter", but are more than happy
voting for war criminals who loot Haitian blacks, enslave Libyan blacks, massacre Somali
blacks, deprive Sudanese blacks of life saving drugs, and plot to imperialistically occupy
Africa, a continent of black people. Forget about us brown people, to American blacks in
2018, black lives do *not* matter.
Only virtue signalling and tribal identity matters. Nothing else.
@Vojkan In the
French denomination, the Auvergne is a FREMM, anti-submarine, not FREDA, air-defence. The
French FREMM, if the French MoD doesn't lie, is equipped with 16 missiles Aster 15 for
self-defence. The FREDAs are equipped with 16 more missiles Aster 30. Let's say that the
Auvergne is in fact equipped with Aster 30 instead of Aster 15 missiles, I say instead
because there would be little room left for its alleged main capabilities if equipped with
both, the likelihood that the French would fire one at a Russian reconnaissance plane is
still less than the plane being hit by mistake by Syrian air-defence. Why would the French
down a distant slow moving Russian reconnaissance plane? It would make sense if the plane was
much closer to the Auvergne, in which case an Aster 15 would have done the job. The thing is
that it seems that as much as the Il-20 was between the Syrians and the Israelis, Israelis
were between the French and the Russian plane. Unless the French and the Israeli hardware are
fully integrated, you have to have a hell of a confidence in your stuff to fire a missile to
down the Russian plane in such circumstances. Though the Aster 30 has vertical launch and
anything is possible. I can be wrong but I just find it unlikely.
Why would the French down a distant slow moving Russian reconnaissance plane?
One might as well ask, why were the French on the scene in the first place?
In the scenario being discussed here, the French did not shoot for self defence, but
because they were told to. Macron would be the perfect lapdog for the job.
I left a response on the Fort Russ article asking them to explain
exactly why French naval personnel would wish to sacrifice their lives for the greater glory
of the gerontophiliac juvenile war criminal in Paris. How, I asked Fort Russ to explain, did
the monsieurs on the French tin can know that Russia wouldn't shoot back and send them all to
Davy Jones' Locker?
Fort Russ' response? It deleted my comment rather than defend its claim.
I left a response on the Fort Russ article asking them to explain
exactly why French naval personnel would wish to sacrifice their lives for the greater glory
of the gerontophiliac juvenile war criminal in Paris. How, I asked Fort Russ to explain, did
the monsieurs on the French tin can know that Russia wouldn't shoot back and send them all to
Davy Jones' Locker?
Fort Russ' response? It deleted my comment rather than defend its claim.
I'm through with Fort Russ. Well, Bill, Russia practices entirely too much self-restraint
to my taste too, but I suspect you underestimate the ego-priapism of the French (you should
see the exaggerated 'packages' on the statues of their military heroes), it's not like that
culture plays with a full deck or level mentality. Bottom line: Russia doesn't want World War
III and the priss Gauls are perfectly willing to take advantage of that in the negative, you
might better understand the Western gang mentality. Insofar as assigning a modicum of
'normalcy' (rationality) to the French militarist idiots, it'd be a mistake, they might
notice they'd backed-buttocks into the nuclear launch button if you separated them from
on-ship lover with a pry-bar. Sort of like Dien Bien Phu and catastrophic political-military
miscalculation.
Gerontophiliac? Rumor has it rather Macron is in love with his Muslim beating bodyguard.
The 'elderly' woman seems to be great cover
The Israelis using the hotline just a minute before the shoot down is very similar to when
the yid army gives notice to a Palestinian family just a minute before blowing up their
house. They think it's all funny.
Well, Bill, Russia practices entirely too much self-restraint to my taste too, but I
suspect you underestimate the ego-priapism of the French (you should see the exaggerated
'packages' on the statues of their military heroes), it's not like that culture plays with a
full deck or level mentality. Bottom line: Russia doesn't want World War III and the priss
Gauls are perfectly willing to take advantage of that in the negative, you might better
understand the Western gang mentality. Insofar as assigning a modicum of 'normalcy'
(rationality) to the French militarist idiots, it'd be a mistake, they might notice they'd
backed-buttocks into the nuclear launch button if you separated them from on-ship lover with
a pry-bar. Sort of like Dien Bien Phu and catastrophic political-military miscalculation.
Gerontophiliac? Rumor has it rather Macron is in love with his Muslim beating bodyguard.
The 'elderly' woman seems to be great cover... It is highly implausible that "Micron" has any
power. The same can be said about the imbecile UK Parliament that allowed Mr. Gavin
Williamson (a trained salesperson knowledgeable in fireplaces) to become a Secretary of
Defence. Gavin's only virtue is his superb sensitivity to the needs of mega-war profiteers
and the Friends of Israel in the UK.
20 September 2018: "The Chief of Staff for the Israëli Air Force, General Amikam
Norkin, arrives in a hurry to present his version of events. Once these proofs were checked
and compared with other recordings, it transpired that Israël was lying
straight-faced."
"On 17 September 2018, France, Israël and the United Kingdom carried out a
joint operation against Syrian targets.
1. A British Torpedo took off from Cyprus to land in Iraq. During the flight, it violated
Syrian air space in order to scan the Syrian defences and make the allied attack
possible.
2. Less than an hour later, four Israëli F-16s and a French frigate, L'Auvergne, fired
on targets in the Syrian governorate of Lattakia. The Syrian air defences protected their
country by firing their S-200s against the French and Israëli missiles.
3. During the battle, an F-16 used a Russian Ilyushin Il-20 as a shield.
The cowardice of the British and French leaders led them to censor all information
concerning their responsibility in this operation . London made no comment, and Paris
denied the facts. Neither the BBC, nor France-Television dared to mention the subject. For
these two countries, more than ever, t he reality of external politics is excluded from
the democratic debate.
In case the White House should find an acceptable narrative of the facts for its electors,
Russia could forbid the United Kingdom, France and Israël from making any intrusion into
the maritime, terrestrial and aerial space of Syria without the authorisation of
Damascus.
London and Paris would have to cease their threats of bombing under whatever pretext at all
(false chemical weapons) and withdraw their special forces. This measure would be valid for
all protagonists in general, except for the United States and, in Idlib, for Turkey."
-- Neither the United Kingdom nor France nor Israël has a head of state. These states
are indeed headless.
Why would the French down a distant slow moving Russian reconnaissance plane?
One might as well ask, why were the French on the scene in the first place? In the scenario being discussed here, the French did not shoot for self defence, but
because they were told to. Macron would be the perfect lapdog for the job. I agree Macron
being the perfect lapdog for the job. I nevertheless find the scenario on Fort-Russ unlikely
because of the relative positions of the actors, if they were their true positions, when the
Russian plane was hit.
Russia's MOD story is clear: the IL-20 had been flying around Idlib and was coming back when
4 fighters from Israel bombed Latakia and having accomplished their mission and also noticed
of the incoming IL-20, instead of running away, decided to stay around for another objective.
One of the fighter came close to the IL-20 which was going to land, and he gave him the
"Judas' kiss" calling for the Syrian DCA to shoot down the IL-20.
It was not an accident, it was a pre-planned murder: Note that the Syrian DCA became ready
only 10′ after the bombing of Lattakia and that the israelis had plenty of time to run
away.
It would be interesting to know if these fighters communicate with Israel before deciding
to carry out this murder.
I am glad to see that Russia is not behaving like the US when the USS Liberty was attacked
by Israel. By deciding to send the S300 to Syria , improved their communication system and
jammed airplanes communication systems when attacking Syria, Russia is giving an appropriate
answer which is going to improve drastically the defense capabilities of Syria and "cooled
some aggressive hot heads".
"It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to pull the plug on
American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the Middle
East."
Orange Clown's a liar whose presidential campaign was a calculated bait and switch fraud
from the beginning. Our presidential poseur obviously had no intention of following through
on most of his pre-election intimations and campaign promises.
Netanyahu might have considered it all a win-win either way, with the Russian plane
masking and enabling the Israeli attack without consequence for Israel or, perversely,
producing an incident inviting retaliation from Moscow, which would likely lead to a
shooting war with the United States after it inevitably steps in to support Israel's
government.
There we go! Glad someone gets it.
I had to read Saker's article suggesting that just maybe it could have been an
actual accident on Israel's part through my fingers as I could not manage to lift my face
from my palm the entire time.
It is past time for Donald Trump to fulfill his campaign promise to pull the plug on
American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the
Middle East.
I'd love to see this happen, but let's be real. If we pulled out of Israel's terror wars,
Mossad would stage a false flag to bring us right back in less than 12 months later. There's
only one way to stop fighting wars for Israel and that's to end Israel. We've got to strike
at the roots, not the branches.
If
Russia shot down Israeli aircraft or bombed the airbase from which they took off, or even
obliterated Israel, America would do nothing but bitch and complain. The American military
does not want a war with Russia, because they know they cannot win a conventional war with
Russia. I would go so far as to say that even if Russia sank American warships including an
aircraft carrier America would not go to war.
America does not go to war with countries that have nuclear weapons and the means to
deliver them to the continental United States. That is why she would bend over backwards to
prevent a war with countries like Russia, China or North Korea, and the reason these
countries need not fear America. The prevention of nuclear war is the underlying premise of
American foreign policy. It has been since the nuclear age began. America would only use its
nuclear weapons if the American mainland is hit with nuclear weapons.
America would accept the loss of hundreds or even thousands of its servicemen rather than
have the continental USA turned into a wasteland. I'm inclined to agree with your assessment
of US unwillingness to fight a nuclear power, but .I also can't forget that the US ruling
elites are pathological. Psychotic with hubris, greed & egoism. The "exceptional", the
"indispensable" nation .& worse, the wagging dog to the Israeli tail.
Trump
is owned by israel, I wish I was wrong, but there is no way around it. I mean, I expect him
any day to convert to judaism.
No way around it. Trump's infamous campaign slogan of MAGA
quickly mutated into MIGA which is the originally intended version anyways. Obedience to
Israel has become a norm in presidential election campaigns. Even the disenfranchised
minority caucuses, including and especially the Black one is firmly in Israel's pockets now.
The Black leadership role has now been essentially reduced to making the odd noise after the
shooting of an unarmed Black by a White cop.
Trump is presently at the U.N. repeating all the American foreign policy propaganda. The hubris he's delivering is off the
charts. Disgusting doesn't begin to cover how deceptive and slimy his zionist-authored rhetoric is. He's a sad, pathetic
mouthpiece for his masters in Israel.
@Justsaying
Trump's infamous campaign slogan of MAGA quickly mutated into MIGA which is the originally
intended version anyways. Obedience to Israel has become a norm in presidential election
campaigns. Even the disenfranchised minority caucuses, including and especially the Black one
is firmly in Israel's pockets now. The Black leadership role has now been essentially reduced
to making the odd noise after the shooting of an unarmed Black by a White cop.
"The Black leadership role has now been essentially reduced to making the odd noise
after the shooting of an unarmed Black by a White cop."
As a brown person in Asia I grew up inculcated with the idea that I must always be in
solidarity with black people in America and they would be with me (it was the 1970s, Malcolm
X was still a fresh memory, Muhammad Ali still strode the scene like a colossus, and Martin
Luther King Jr was still thought of as a hero in most circles).
Today, black Americans are people so wallowing in self abnegation that they mass voted for
the racist war criminal Killary Clinton, owing to whose actions black people in America were
incarcerated in hitherto unknown numbers; due to whose crimes black people in Haiti were
looted to destitution; because of whom black people in Libya are literally being sold as
slaves. Black Americans parade around saying "black lives matter", but are more than happy
voting for war criminals who loot Haitian blacks, enslave Libyan blacks, massacre Somali
blacks, deprive Sudanese blacks of life saving drugs, and plot to imperialistically occupy
Africa, a continent of black people. Forget about us brown people, to American blacks in
2018, black lives do *not* matter.
Only virtue signalling and tribal identity matters. Nothing else.
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American engagement in Syria and terminate the seemingly endless cycle of wars in the Middle
East."
Orange Clown's a liar whose presidential campaign was a calculated bait and switch fraud
from the beginning. Our presidential poseur obviously had no intention of following through
on most of his pre-election intimations and campaign promises.
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But another running disaster is the feminists' attempt to derail nomination of Judge
Kavanagh. One can like or dislike the judge, one can agree or disagree with his views, one may
wish him in or out of the Supreme Court, but stopping him for allegedly trying to lay a girl
while in high school is completely insane. MeToo, Kavanagh, I also had affairs with girls so
many (and more) years ago!
Even if all the complainant claimed was true (and Kavanagh denied it) I'd find him not
guilty and vote for him to the Supreme Court. Bear in mind, we speak of events that took (or
not) place years ago. In those years, girls were expected to surrender only to some token
force. "No means no" was a totally unheard-of idea.
"... Nice chimp. Speaking of chimps here's some fun facts chimps and humans are, as their genes differ by just 1.6%, whereas chimps and gorillas differ by 2.3%. Also, chimps are known to be very territorial and violent. Ring a bell? ..."
"... How do you escape the infinite loop that arises automatically from the concept of an intelligent designer? i.e., Who, or what, designed the intelligent designer? ..."
"Irreducible complexity" is complete bullshit. & since this been shown to you numerous
times by a number of people it has to be concluded that you actually don't care about
probabilities & facts. So, it's pretty useless trying to discuss with you.
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the
truth." – this statement by Sherlock Holmes is the foundational doctrine of modern
biology, not anything that Darwin said.
God is impossible, therefore no intellectual
contortion to rationalize the theory of evolution is too extreme.
We are told that life arose by chance in the primeval oceans.
how life got here in the first place is speculation. No one knows for sure, no
one I know of pretends to.
Do we know of what those oceans consisted?
They could have been boiling acids and lava that sleestacks were using as
breeding ponds, and perhaps some of their juices got lodged in a volcanic plume, and
eventually descended back to earth, to seed the planet with its first 'indigenous' life form.
Can we categorically dismiss this theory as impossible? No, we can not.
But how life got here, is an entirely different conversation than whether or not evolution
happens.
Clue: it does.
Simply consider the Neanderthal. We know he existed. We have his bones and caves.
But where is he today?
Exactly.
Survival of the fittest. When sleestacks one day return to Earth, and find that among the
throngs of waddling bipedals that evolved from their original seed, there are no more of the
pale versions left, that will be because their will to persevere could not prevail over the
treacherous, near infinite venality of some of their members.
And btw, while I consider it arrogant for anyone, either a religious zealot or someone
posing as a 'scientist'.. to pretend to know how life got here..
..it's just as presumptuous, arrogant, dogmatic and closed-minded - to presume to
know that it was put here by ID.
We can't know how life got here, but that certainly doesn't mean that it necessarily was
put here by a purposeful "intelligent design'. That's just more of the kind of arrogant
certainty that most religions display and yes, some of those claiming to be 'scientists' as
well.
Science can't 'know' anything that can't be put to the test or experiment. And since it's
rather (at this time anyways) impossible to reconstruct the earth's environment four billions
or so years ago, (sleestacks notwithstanding), we can't know such things. All they can do is
speculate based on what they can know; with experimentation.
But evolution is happening right before your eyes, man.
The dodo bird is no more. Tigers and elephants and rhinos and thousands of other species
are being whipped out in our lifetimes, to make more and more room for bipedal consumer units
/ tax slaves / cannon fodder. As those other species become extinct, it will be due to
realities on the ground. Literally in most cases, as their habitats are taken over by a
competing species.
This is all brutally obvious once you set aside your prejudices and vanity.
Often, the resistance to the idea of evolution, is a resistance to the idea that we are
related to the lesser apes.
Human vanity is often viscerally repulsed by this idea. But wishing it wasn't so, doesn't
make it go away.
Nice chimp. Speaking of chimps
here's some fun facts chimps and humans are, as their genes differ by just 1.6%, whereas
chimps and gorillas differ by 2.3%. Also, chimps are known to be very territorial and
violent. Ring a bell?
Fred, after all these years thinking you were sane and smart as well as amusing I have to
wonder because you keep on about some imagined Darwinism and avoid the key concept of natural
selection whereby some variants of the living DNA bundles turn out to be more fertile than
others in the given circumstances. That's as near as you can get to having a logically
necessary explanation for something we observe.
Then you still want a place for a designer! Well make sense of that if you can.
What do his/her/its designs tell you about the designer except that he/she isn't any of
the candidates yet invented? At least you could infer something about the Abrahamic chap,
namely that YHWH didn't like the Hebrews very much even if he was sorry that he had created
the other lot at all.
Ironically intelligent design theorists have conceded more to philosophical materialists than
they realize. Philosophers since Descartes have argued that biology and machines operate
according to the same principles. ID people just differ from Darwinian materialists about how
biological machines came about; but they think about biology like materialists just the same.
I don't see what all this mental masturbation has to do with Christianity, however,
because no Christian believes that machines have immaterial things in them which survive the
machines' destruction and exist forever in another realm.
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be
the truth." - this statement by Sherlock Holmes is the foundational doctrine of modern
biology, not anything that Darwin said. God is impossible, therefore no intellectual
contortion to rationalize the theory of evolution is too extreme.
The Holmes quote is a fallacy. It assumes you have assembled all possibilities and that
your analysis of their impossibility is without error.
Hoyle's theory is that life is anywhere in the universe, that it begins in the universe, at
the lowest possible temperature, under fierce ultraviolet radiation
Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe, 'Life on Mars ?, The case for a Cosmic Heritage ?',
Bristol 1997
Both chemical analysis done by Japanese on a comet, and by Philea, seem to support the
theory, until now.
Then there is the phenomenon that genetic material stores experience.
Mice that had been trained to fear a certain smell transmitted this fear by sperm.
Fish accidentally getting into a mid African lake changed at a speed that flabbergasted
biologists.
So, I'm inclined to think that life is anywhere in the universe, and that changes in species,
the word evolution to me seems to be Darwin's concession to christian thought, homo sapiens
as the highest, whatever that may be, are not random, but occur on purpose.
How this mechanism functions, if it exists, it will take some time before we find out.
Latin Americans nor were, nor are, stupid.
When Pizarro saw Mexico city, he was flabbergasted.
Nowhere in Europe at the time existed so large a city, so clean, and so well organised.
Medieval European cities at the time were dung heaps.
The ground level of the Dutch city of Dordrecht rose seven metres trough throwing all garbage
in the streets.
Roman cities were well organised, sewers and clean water.
Christianity saw the body as evil, so washing was not important.
As a result epidemics.
A very interesting book is
Lynn White Jr., 'Medieval Technology and Social Change', Oxford 1962
The role of iron in history is hardly realised.
S America, Africa, and the Middle East hardly had any iron.
In England it was found galore, near coal, with easy transport over water.
Mines needed water pumps, a coal driven pump was the beginning of the steam engine, the
industrial revolution could begin.
Some of y'all miss the point that Fred is not denying that evolution of species is at play,
merely that the path back to the ur-origin is not readily explained by the theory. That is a
fair statement.
Fred, thanks for this article. You are again totally correct concerning Darwinism. People who
have not though about it deep enough confuse darwinism with evolution. Darwinism, or
Neo-Darwinism as you call the present evolution theory, is a proposed explanation of
evolution. Evolution happens, the given explanation does not need to be correct. There are
indeed many serious gaps and problems in all forms of darwinism.
The birth of life from
non-life is an open problem. I looked at a simpler problem, how new clearly different
protein-coding parts of a gene (i.e., differs by many mutations) can be created by mutations
and selection.
The problem was that a protein stops working after very few random mutations,
so it must become duplicated and a duplicate becomes a pseudo-gene that accumulates many
mutations, but as it is pseudo-gene it is not under selection pressure, so this
mutation-selection mechanism cannot work. It can make new alleles, i.e., genes differing by a
few mutations only, and screen the best by selection. In that case the mutated gene does not
need to become pseudo-gene (=gene that does not work).
How do you escape the infinite loop that arises automatically from the concept of an
intelligent designer?
i.e., Who, or what, designed the intelligent designer?
Did it evolve here on Earth, somewhere else, or arise spontaneously in opposition to the 2nd
law of thermodynamics?
Does the concept of "information" have any meaning without the evolution of an analytical
organism with an abstraction engine?
Do we even know what we think evolved? No
This question conflates knowledge with conjecture, hypothesis and/or theory, depending on
what definition you choose for the word "think". But let me try to answer it anyway . Yes – we do have some ideas about what first evolved , some backed with physical
evidence.
The2nd law of thermodynamics defines an arrow of time for the universe in terms of entropy,
which means that the past grows increasingly fuzzy the further we try to look backwards. This
limitation on certainty is something we know and must accept. Human history is a tiny
fragment of the Earth's history, but only a mote of that fragment can be reconstructed with
much certainty, hence the difference between "pre-history" and "history".
So what kind of organism do we think (hypothesize) first evolved? The answer is .
gas-guzzling microbes:
Beating the acetyl coenzyme A-pathway to the origin of life
(Published 10 June 2013)
Wolfgang Nitschke and Michael J. Russell
[...]
Abstract
Attempts to draft plausible scenarios for the origin of life have in the past
mainly built upon palaeogeochemical boundary conditions while, as detailed in a companion
article in this issue, frequently neglecting to comply with fundamental thermodynamic
laws . Even if demands from both palaeogeochemistry and thermodynamics are respected,
then a plethora of strongly differing models are still conceivable.
Although we have no guarantee that life at its origin necessarily resembled biology in
extant organisms, we consider that the only empirical way to deduce how life may
have emerged is by taking the stance of assuming continuity of biology from its inception
to the present day . Building upon this conviction, we have assessed extant types of
energy and carbon metabolism for their appropriateness to conditions probably pertaining in
those settings of the Hadean planet that fulfill the thermodynamic requirements for life to
come into being. Wood–Ljungdahl (WL) pathways leading to acetyl CoA formation are
excellent candidates for such primordial metabolism.
Based on a review of our present understanding of the biochemistry and biophysics of
acetogenic, methanogenic and methanotrophic pathways and on a phylogenetic analysis of
involved enzymes, we propose that a variant of modern methanotrophy is more likely than
traditional WL systems to date back to the origin of life . The proposed model
furthermore better fits basic thermodynamic demands and palaeogeochemical conditions
suggested by recent results from extant alkaline hydrothermal seeps.
The problem with the ToE is that it is de facto tautological so there is no means of
falsification. Thus it is a dogma that any living organism that exists is the outcome of
evolutionary process. There is no other possibility. So all the stories that can be told
about this organism must a priori be framed within the ToE. The ToE has no predictive
ability. We must resign ourselves to accept any outcome because whatever will evolve had to
evolve. We can only construct a posteriori stories that justify the outcome. The stories are
no different from the just-so stories except that Kipling had sense of humor while
evolutionsts take themselves dead seriously. Their seriousness and lack of distance or sense
humor stems from the fact that they are the high priest and the keepers of the dogma which
suppose to save humanity form religious obscurantism. This is not necessarily overtly
acknowledged but it is implied. The veracity of the stories is usually unprovable in the
sense of rigorous proofs available in other branches of science. It is unimaginable that any
evidence could derail or even put a dent in the ToE. For all the reasons above the ToE is
true because it must be true and nothing can be done about it.
No, Neo-Darwinism does not allow for replication experiments. Thus one could suggest it is an
abstract idea, a suggestion, no more.
That points to other thoughts, how does Neo-Darwinism scale as to the Bible, the Koran.
Very well. How does Neo-Darwinism not allow for different suggestions to be judged only
afterwards on their quality? It should allow for further suggestions at all means. Is
intelligent design a better suggestion? Should scientists be discriminated upon being
critical of Neo-Darwinism? Certainly not.
Meaningful article as to mainstream openness of mind elaboration.
Bringing up the origin of life on Earth is a logical fallacy and, as such, completely
disingenuous. The theory of evolution does not say anything about how life arose. Its focus
is on how species change over time, and the evidence for this is overwhelming.
@AlreadyPublished How do you escape the infinite loop that arises automatically from the
concept of an intelligent designer?
i.e., Who, or what, designed the intelligent designer?
Did it evolve here on Earth, somewhere else, or arise spontaneously in opposition to the 2nd
law of thermodynamics?
Does the concept of "information" have any meaning without the evolution of an analytical
organism with an abstraction engine?
Do we even know what we think evolved? No
This question conflates knowledge with conjecture, hypothesis and/or theory,
depending on what definition you choose for the word "think". But let me try to answer it
anyway.... Yes - we do have some ideas about what first evolved , some backed with physical
evidence.
The2nd law of thermodynamics defines an arrow of time for the universe in terms of entropy,
which means that the past grows increasingly fuzzy the further we try to look backwards. This
limitation on certainty is something we know and must accept. Human history is a tiny
fragment of the Earth's history, but only a mote of that fragment can be reconstructed with
much certainty, hence the difference between "pre-history" and "history".
So what kind of organism do we think (hypothesize) first evolved? The answer is....
gas-guzzling microbes:
Beating the acetyl coenzyme A-pathway to the origin of life
(Published 10 June 2013)
Wolfgang Nitschke and Michael J. Russell
[...]
Abstract
Attempts to draft plausible scenarios for the origin of life have in the past
mainly built upon palaeogeochemical boundary conditions while, as detailed in a companion
article in this issue, frequently neglecting to comply with fundamental thermodynamic
laws . Even if demands from both palaeogeochemistry and thermodynamics are respected,
then a plethora of strongly differing models are still conceivable.
Although we have no guarantee that life at its origin necessarily resembled biology in
extant organisms, we consider that the only empirical way to deduce how life may
have emerged is by taking the stance of assuming continuity of biology from its inception
to the present day . Building upon this conviction, we have assessed extant types of
energy and carbon metabolism for their appropriateness to conditions probably pertaining in
those settings of the Hadean planet that fulfill the thermodynamic requirements for life to
come into being. Wood–Ljungdahl (WL) pathways leading to acetyl CoA formation are
excellent candidates for such primordial metabolism.
Based on a review of our present understanding of the biochemistry and biophysics of
acetogenic, methanogenic and methanotrophic pathways and on a phylogenetic analysis of
involved enzymes, we propose that a variant of modern methanotrophy is more likely than
traditional WL systems to date back to the origin of life . The proposed model
furthermore better fits basic thermodynamic demands and palaeogeochemical conditions
suggested by recent results from extant alkaline hydrothermal seeps.
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/368/1622/20120258.abstract
Actually, I built a webpage around the idea that life arose from petroleum, and
not vice versa:
http://living-petrol.blogspot.com/
My crude idea is actually supported by oceans of living evidence. See for yourself. Compare
with the talk by Rice University synthetic chemist James Tour, "Are Present Proposals on
Chemical Evolutionary Mechanisms Accurately Pointing Toward First Life?" which utterly
demolishes Darwinian fairy tales about the origin of life as told by militant atheists.
The irrelevant ad hominems are always the first sign we've won on the merits of our case.
Beyond that what they're demanding in the name of "but this is science!" turns out to be
methodological just so-ism, a form of quasi-religious anti-science in which literally
everything confirms Darwinism on the grounds that Darwinism explains everything.
The irony about the bluster coming from these rabid Darwinians is that a quick check of
their photos shows they're almost always angry, emasculated little men, who if there were any
truth in Darwinism might be kept under lock and key to perform some useful work but othwrwise
excluded from the affairs of real men. This much should be obvious, so the real question
becomes who are behind the publishing and media platforms allowing these social misfits to
abuse science for socio-political reasons.
After all, even if they're atheists as almost all are, they would concede that the notion
of God is the culturally collective conscience of a people -- proving the hatred expressing
itself in these scurrilous ad hominems exposes an embarrassing grandiosity characteristic of
a paranoid hatred of their male betters in general and of Christian Americans in
particular.
@utu The problem with the ToE is that it is de facto tautological so there is no means of
falsification. Thus it is a dogma that any living organism that exists is the outcome of
evolutionary process. There is no other possibility. So all the stories that can be told
about this organism must a priori be framed within the ToE. The ToE has no predictive
ability. We must resign ourselves to accept any outcome because whatever will evolve had to
evolve. We can only construct a posteriori stories that justify the outcome. The stories are
no different from the just-so stories except that Kipling had sense of humor while
evolutionsts take themselves dead seriously. Their seriousness and lack of distance or sense
humor stems from the fact that they are the high priest and the keepers of the dogma which
suppose to save humanity form religious obscurantism. This is not necessarily overtly
acknowledged but it is implied. The veracity of the stories is usually unprovable in the
sense of rigorous proofs available in other branches of science. It is unimaginable that any
evidence could derail or even put a dent in the ToE. For all the reasons above the ToE is
true because it must be true and nothing can be done about it. Jerry Fodor on evolutionary
(just-so) stories in psychology, behavioral science and so on.
The years after Darwin witnessed a remarkable proliferation of other theories, each
seeking to co-opt natural selection for purposes of its own. Evolutionary psychology is
currently the salient instance, but examples have been legion. They're to be found in more or
less all of the behavioural sciences, to say nothing of epistemology, semantics, theology,
the philosophy of history, ethics, sociology, political theory, eugenics and even aesthetics.
What they have in common is that they attempt to explain why we are so-and-so by reference to
what being so-and-so buys for us, or what it would have bought for our ancestors.
'We like telling stories because telling stories exercises the imagination and an
imagination would have been a good thing for a hunter-gatherer to have.'
'We don't approve of eating grandmother because having her around to baby-sit was useful
in the hunter-gatherer ecology.'
'We like music because singing together strengthened the bond between the hunters and the
gatherers (and/or between the hunter-gatherer grownups and their hunter-gatherer
offspring)'.
'We talk by making noises and not by waving our hands; that's because hunter-gatherers
lived in the savannah and would have had trouble seeing one another in the tall grass.'
'We like to gossip because knowing who has been up to what is important when fitness
depends on co-operation in small communities.'
'We don't all talk the same language because that would make us more likely to interbreed
with foreigners (which would be bad because it would weaken the ties of hunter-gatherer
communities).'
'We don't copulate with our siblings because that would decrease the likelihood of
interbreeding with foreigners (which would be bad because, all else being equal,
heterogeneity is good for the gene pool).'
I'm not making this up, by the way. Versions of each of these theories can actually be
found in the adaptationist literature. But, in point of logic, this sort of explanation has
to stop somewhere. Not all of our traits can be explained instrumentally; there must be some
that we have simply because that's the sort of creature we are. And perhaps it's unnecessary
to remark that such explanations are inherently post hoc (Gould called them 'just so
stories'); or that, except for the prestige they borrow from the theory of natural selection,
there isn't much reason to believe that any of them is true.
Anyhow, for what it's worth, I really would be surprised to find out that I was meant to
be a hunter-gatherer since I don't feel the slightest nostalgia for that sort of life. I
loathe the very idea of hunting, and I'm not all that keen on gathering either. Nor can I
believe that living like a hunter-gatherer would make me happier or better. In fact, it
sounds to me like absolute hell. No opera. And no plumbing.
If a physicist at CalTech expressed doubts about general relativity, he would certainly be
challenged to prove his theory. He would not be hounded, belittled, forced to resign,
charged with pseudoscience, and banned from publication.
You are wrong. He would get the same treatment as anti Darwinists and and top of
it it would be insinuate that he was an anti Semite. Challenging Einstein is a big no no and
grave sin. utu, you are completely right, I can tell it from personal experience, though not
in Caltech, but it is the same in all respectable (thinking they are better) universities, I
have been staff in two such.
@tom Fred
Quite correct. The essential darwinism and neo darwinism notions are based on a long time and
incredible random mutations. A belief in a non-darwinistic view of how biological entites
emerged suggests some type of teleology whether deistic or otherwise. This is absolutely
unacceptable to darwinists. Modern evolutionary biology would rather believe in a random
tooth fairy rather than teleology. They have the simplistic dualism that if you don't accept
the darwinism nonsense you must be a creationist fruitcake. End of discussion. There are two
ways to address a mystery: as a detective or as a mystic.
Darwinian evolution is the product of detective work, whereas teleology and religion are
the products of mystics. Mystics don't want mysteries solved , because they make a
living from promoting ignorance as something important and valuable, worthy of awe,
amazement, and worship rituals (including endless streams of money to sustain the parasitic
priestly caste)
Detectives want to solve mysteries because they want to understand causation.
If you understand how something works, you no longer have a mystery.
But a mystical life is contingent on the existence of a mystery. Mystics need mystery, and
will preserve it at all costs. That's why they hate Darwinian evolution, opposing it since
1859, despite all the oceans, mountains and forests filled with convergent evidence in
support of the 2nd most successful theory in science .
Irreducible complexity" is complete bullshit. & since this been shown to you numerous
times by a number of people
Links please...
Links please
WTF? Are you in kindergarten? Just stupid? Just one who prefers ignorance and denial?
"Irreducible complexity" has been quite adequately rebutted by competent scientists. If you
don't know how to use the Internet, put some effort into learning. Do your own goddamn due
diligence, asshole. Do you always require other people to do the work? And then you believe
what you get back? Get the fuck to work, clown.
Intelligent Design must be viewed with hostility by the scientific establishment.
Science is supposed to give humans control – if Intelligent Design is true,
it would mean there are other forces at work in the universe, humans must share power,
humans have less control than they thought.
That goes against the whole Point of Science.
Intelligent Design is a dead theory from the pov of science – if true, now what? How
does that add to our power to shape our destiny? We just submit to a higher power?
Evolutionary Theory has resulted in an actual sense of increased power for us
– we apply it in male/female relations, we apply it to population differences, we
understand human behavior and motivation through its prism.
It hardly matters that all of this is false – that it cannot explain male/female
relations or population differences. It hardly matters that it gives us a false sense of
power.
Science must prefer it. Only another theory that offers more power than Evolution
will be even remotely considered.
Intelligent Design cancels out science, neuters it, destroys it – it is not just
another scientific theory.
How can Intelligent Design give us more power?
Mankind seems to need security more than anything. Our primary motivation seems to be
fear.
We are told that life arose by chance in the primeval oceans.
how life got here in the first place is speculation. No one knows for sure, no
one I know of pretends to.
Do we know of what those oceans consisted?
They could have been boiling acids and lava that sleestacks were using as
breeding ponds, and perhaps some of their juices got lodged in a volcanic plume, and
eventually descended back to earth, to seed the planet with its first 'indigenous' life form.
Can we categorically dismiss this theory as impossible? No, we can not.
But how life got here, is an entirely different conversation than whether or not evolution
happens.
Clue: it does.
Simply consider the Neanderthal. We know he existed. We have his bones and caves.
But where is he today?
Exactly.
Survival of the fittest. When sleestacks one day return to Earth, and find that among the
throngs of waddling bipedals that evolved from their original seed, there are no more of the
pale versions left, that will be because their will to persevere could not prevail over the
treacherous, near infinite venality of some of their members.
And btw, while I consider it arrogant for anyone, either a religious zealot or someone
posing as a 'scientist'.. to pretend to know how life got here..
..it's just as presumptuous, arrogant, dogmatic and closed-minded - to presume to
know that it was put here by ID.
We can't know how life got here, but that certainly doesn't mean that it necessarily was
put here by a purposeful "intelligent design'. That's just more of the kind of arrogant
certainty that most religions display and yes, some of those claiming to be 'scientists' as
well.
Science can't 'know' anything that can't be put to the test or experiment. And since it's
rather (at this time anyways) impossible to reconstruct the earth's environment four billions
or so years ago, (sleestacks notwithstanding), we can't know such things. All they can do is
speculate based on what they can know; with experimentation.
But evolution is happening right before your eyes, man.
The dodo bird is no more. Tigers and elephants and rhinos and thousands of other species
are being whipped out in our lifetimes, to make more and more room for bipedal consumer units
/ tax slaves / cannon fodder. As those other species become extinct, it will be due to
realities on the ground. Literally in most cases, as their habitats are taken over by a
competing species.
This is all brutally obvious once you set aside your prejudices and vanity.
Often, the resistance to the idea of evolution, is a resistance to the idea that we are
related to the lesser apes.
Human vanity is often viscerally repulsed by this idea. But wishing it wasn't so, doesn't
make it go away.
http://i.pbase.com/g3/32/803532/2/99237234.fDbi3ga9.jpg The best theory I have heard on
the evolution of man. As Lloyd Pye points out, Darwin "was a blowed up peckerwood".
There is a fairly decent fossil record of human evolution. "The Fossil Trail" by Tattersall
provides an overview of this fossil record. Note that fossils are not bones but rather
mineralized bones, and can only form within a very narrow set of conditions. Actual bones
rarely last a month or two in nature .let alone millions of years.
I think its fair to say that there are 3 essential, and largely independent, elements to
"the" theory of evolution:
(1) the origin of life (out of primordial soup), which for some miraculous, unexplained
reason happened exactly 1 time
(2) arrival of the fittest (i.e., how favorable mutations produce wonderful changes and
entirely new species)
(3) survival of the fittest (natural selection, e.g., white moths becoming black during
the industrial revolution)
For anyone with a strong feel for mathematics, the last (which most people seem to
identify with "evolution") is entirely trivial; the first two, on the other hand are, as Fred
points out, highly problematic.
Pasteur, after all, is heralded for having refuted the "traditional" theory of spontaneous
generation, but it seems that in the primordial soup normal rules don't apply.
Darwinism begins with the twin assumptions of naturalism and uniformitarianism. These are
assumptions, and they cannot be proven by the nature of their claims. From these assumptions,
Darwinism, or something functionally identical to it, must be true as a matter of logical
deduction from observational reality. As one of its proponents put it, Darwinism "is the only
game in town." This is so because of these two assumptions, which are not value neutral.
These two assumptions – naturalism (there exists nought but particles, forces, and
the void) and uniformitarianism (the rules that we deduce govern the interaction of matter
have been, are, and always shall be, the same everywhere) – are the philosophical
foundation upon which all of scientific modernity is built. This philosophical foundation
rules out any deity who might make a difference in observational reality.
Design theory (aka "Intelligent Design") is simply the consistent application of
statistical rationality to claims. When applied to the claims of evolutionary biology,
statistics concludes that "it most likely didn't happen the way it must have if naturalism
and uniformitarianism are true." By its nature, however, statistics can't make absolute
claims, but only comparative claims of likelihoods. Thus statistics cannot disprove the joint
combination of naturalism and uniformitarianism. It can only undermine it. And that
undermining – the parting of mind and heart – creates madness for those whose
philosophies are built upon the foundation of naturalism and uniformitarianism. But also
rejecting statistics is to depart from that foundation as well, which also is madness.
Therefore those who use statistics to test the claims of evolutionary biology against
observational reality must be done away with, using the time-honored methods of ostracism,
reviling, deplatforming, and so on. Their claims cannot be refuted without abandoning
statistical rationality, which is self-defeating. So their claims must not be substantively
addressed. Pointing fingers and mocking will suffice, for who wants to be mocked and scorned?
Is the pursuit of truth worth the social cost it incurs?
But consider – if statistics does undermine confidence in Darwinism, and if
Darwinism is entailed by the joint combination of naturalism, uniformitarianism, and
observational reality – then what is really being undermined is the joint combination
of naturalism and uniformitarianism. And if there might exist more than simply particles,
forces, and the void, and if the rules governing the interactions of matter are not uniform
across reality, then we have no grounds for saying the Bible presents a false view of
reality. There may indeed be a God who does things we can observe, a God of miracles, and
Jesus Christ may indeed be real. The prospect of living forever in their society cannot be
rejected on first principles if we are statistically rational, and so that prospect might
cause us to revise our cost estimate of the pursuit of truth – and a great many other
things.
Regarding creation, if I have to choose between Darwin and God I will go with God. But I want
more options. All Intelligent Design requires is an intelligence greater than ours. To a
cockroach I am a vengeful god.
When reading the Origin of Species, one is impressed by the fact that Darwin himself
comes across as very genteel individual, as someone largely free of any tendencies towards
bitterness, ambition, or acrimony. He was also sporting enough to honestly meet many of the
objections raised against his theory. No doubt these fine personal qualities of his were
instrumental in winning him his retinue of early adherents. But they also served to mitigate
and dissimulate the fact that the theory was very much his baby, which he defended with all
the bias and schmaltz of a doting father.
Another realization that becomes clear is that what Darwin comprehended in the term
"natural selection" differs rather substantially from what his modern friends now understand
by the same words. Unmistakably, Darwin envisaged a sort of broad billowing out of
incrementally distinct variants for whom the principal selective pressure was a desire to
stay out of one another's way. Thus, for example, the stalks of wheat in a field all
grow to slightly different heights, and lean this way and that, in an effort to avoid direct
competition for the same space, to avoid directly competing to be the same thing.
Evolution therefore, as Darwin conceived it, was inherently evasive and impelled life to
divide into countless varieties. Those forms which were better at solidifying their
idiosyncrasies would reproduce themselves more successfully. These differences are by their
very nature binary, as adaptive distinctions get channeled along increasingly divergent
paths. Given a field of wheat-like plants, natural selection would divide them into species
that maximized their originally quite minimal distinctions. Instead of many stalks which all
grew to more or less the same height with only minor variations, you might get one variety
that sprang up straight and strong like buckwheat and another variety that crept along the
ground like purslane. Meanwhile, the "fence-sitters" would find themselves increasingly
unable to compete against either variety and would drop out of the struggle for existence.
Those fence-sitters, almost by definition, comprise the parent species. Evolution proceeds by
an inexorable process of binary selection and parricide.
In developing his theory thus, Darwin was a much more robust and careful thinker than
either his supporters or his opponents turned out to be. One of the principal objections
raised against Darwinism has always been the lack of transitional forms. However, this is
rather unfair to the theory, since Darwin held that it is in the nature of transitional forms
to rapidly disappear; besides which, there already exists before us many assemblages of
closely related species which provide de facto evidence of the only type of
transitional forms that the theory requires. On the other hand, the modern Neo-Darwinians are
no servants of their master in their maniacal insistence that evolution has no teleology.
Darwin believed that it did and he says so explicitly right there in his book. The purpose of
evolution is to maximize not only the amount of life, but also the "happiness" of the life
(yes, Darwin says this) that can survive in a given space. To this end, life is endowed with
an intrinsic centripetal principle that proceeds by way of binary division and
parricide. This principle cannot be explained merely by the tautology of the survivors
surviving, i.e. the thermodynamic truism which would hold under any theory; it is something
positive and synthetic which is annexed to the thermodynamic facts and makes use of them
as a means.
Now, the fact that the theory of evolution really does have positive (and therefore
falsifiable) content is the very thing the Neo-Darwinians would like to avoid. They would
prefer that it remain in the realm of self-evident syllogisms that cannot be refuted
(as the weight of the available evidence does not actually support it), although why they
would prefer to do so is not easy to discern until one recognizes its potent mythological
capacity. Darwinism is the mirror image of some very deeply ingrained tropes of the Western
and especially the English culture. In its exclusive reliance on the fitness principle and
its assertion of a universal trend towards happiness which is to be attained by overcoming
the past and going one's own way, the style of ideation is at one with the ensemble of
utilitarianism, republicanism, syncretism, and monism which characterizes its century. Thus,
while Darwinism as science stands refuted, and Darwinism as metaphysics is absurd, Darwinism
as literature is a deeply symbolic and "necessary" concomitant of the late stages of
Western civilization.
The ongoing appeal of the theory consists entirely in the fact that -- for many people
today and almost the entirety of the "educated" classes -- it forms the self-evident
organizational metaphor for describing living activity, just as "democracy" forms the
self-evident rubric for any discussion of politics, despite its obvious inadequacy in that
regard. The culture does not recognize as well-formed thoughts that proceed on any other
basis than these. But this, however, is a temporary phenomenon that is already far along in
the process of fading out. Darwinism will not be replaced by further and better scientific
developments; indeed, there will be no further scientific developments as far as the West is
concerned, for the great age of scientific symbolism (the 18th century) lies irrecoverably
far behind us. Rather, the remains of the theory will decay into a generic terminology for
describing mundane practical matters. In the mind of the common man, it has already done so.
Witness the readily understandable description of a useless act as a "Darwin Award."
Those who would point out the deficiencies in Darwinism or who wish to inquire into the
real nature of biological phenomena may be doing a great service for truth, but they must
realize that their efforts are outside the mainstream of the culture to which they belong,
that they are no longer wanted and therefore lack all symbolic weight, and that they will
never be attended with earthly fame and fortune. Darwinism, like all fashions, succeeded not
by veracity but by excitement, and perishes not of refutation but of boredom.
Glancing trough the reactions it strikes me how few now seem to understand that denying the
biblical creation at the time emotionally was like holocaust denial now
@The Alarmist It's no more a Hail Mary than supposing that a spark in primordial goo of
Earth seems to have delivered the only detectable sentient life in the universe thus far.
Maybe the Ancients and their panoply of Gods had it right after all.
It's no more a Hail Mary than supposing that a spark in primordial goo of Earth seems to
have delivered the only detectable sentient life in the universe thus far. Maybe the
Ancients and their panoply of Gods had it right after all.
It doesn't even get close to a Hail Mary. It is a desperate play from theist
ignorance.
There is scientific method. There is logic. They provide many answers -- so many answers
all well-founded, all verifiable, all directly observable through at least one method.
Intelligent Design is silliness. Life is a product of Intelligent Design, you say? What
about water, essential to life? Intelligent Design created hydrogen and oxygen, and the water
molecule, right? Else, Intelligent Design she no work for "life", yanno? Get to positing
bullshit like "Intelligent Design", and you put yourself in an epistemological fix, all the
way back to the presumed beginning of time. Intelligent Design provides all 47 elements
crucial to human life -- hydrogen and oxygen being just a start on THAT issue. Intelligent
Design provides an environment where life can survive and continue. Intelligent Design
provides a planet just close enough to, and just far enough from good ol' Sol. And, damn,
Intelligent Design provides that Sun, that moon, those stars, that galaxy, that Universe.
All to justify and substantiate bullshit claims as to the origin of life.
Enough nonsense. Bring forth a true modern age, and end superstition and ignorance.
@WorkingClass Regarding creation, if I have to choose between Darwin and God I will go
with God. But I want more options. All Intelligent Design requires is an intelligence greater
than ours. To a cockroach I am a vengeful god.
Regarding creation, if I have to choose between Darwin and God I will go with God. But I
want more options. All Intelligent Design requires is an intelligence greater than
ours.
Don't be ridiculous. Intelligent Design requires the fiat power to create and perpetuate
that which is Designed.
Proving the existence of that fiat-capable thing is a real bitch.
WTF? Are you in kindergarten? Just stupid? Just one who prefers ignorance and
denial? "Irreducible complexity" has been quite adequately rebutted by competent scientists.
If you don't know how to use the Internet, put some effort into learning. Do your own goddamn
due diligence, asshole. Do you always require other people to do the work? And then you
believe what you get back? Get the fuck to work, clown. Links please
@Colin Wright'...Versions of each of these theories can actually be found in the
adaptationist literature. But, in point of logic, this sort of explanation has to stop
somewhere. Not all of our traits can be explained instrumentally; there must be some that we
have simply because that's the sort of creature we are...'
This may be tangential to your point, but it's worth pointing out that it's often not so
much a matter of some trait or practice being there because it serves a purpose but of it
being there because there's no particular reason for it not to continue being there.
We have an appendix, not because we need it, but because not having it wouldn't confer any
striking advantage. It doesn't usually turn poisonous, and if it does, likely as not we've
already sired children anyway.
Things can be like the old trampoline in the basement. They're often there, not because
they're needed, but because there's no compelling reason to get rid of them. If a society
practices female clitorectomies, for example, it'll likely go on practising female
clitorectomies even if no purpose is served -- just so long as female life expectancy and
fertility isn't dramatically affected. If a dog has a tail, it's not necessarily because it
needs a tail, but because it won't benefit significantly from getting rid of the tail.
If a dog has a tail, it's not necessarily because it needs a tail, but because it won't
benefit significantly from getting rid of the tail.
It's because the tail does not prevent reproduction. The key to evolution is the survival
of those fit to survive and reproduce. It is that simple.
Every May, 10 billion mayflies hatch. Most die. One million survive to lay 10 billion
eggs, which hatch the following May. Survival and continued existence of mayflies is that
simple.
"Fittest" was the wrong choice of word. "Fit" is correct.
@jilles dykstra Glancing trough the reactions it strikes me how few now seem to
understand that denying the biblical creation at the time emotionally was like holocaust
denial now
Glancing trough the reactions it strikes me how few now seem to understand that denying
the biblical creation at the time emotionally was like holocaust denial now
Worse, much worse. If anything puts Xtians in a murderous mood, it's Creation Denial.
How come there's a gold stripe around your comment? Some kind of merit badge
manifestation?
@Intelligent Dasein When reading the Origin of Species, one is impressed by the
fact that Darwin himself comes across as very genteel individual, as someone largely free of
any tendencies towards bitterness, ambition, or acrimony. He was also sporting enough to
honestly meet many of the objections raised against his theory. No doubt these fine personal
qualities of his were instrumental in winning him his retinue of early adherents. But they
also served to mitigate and dissimulate the fact that the theory was very much his baby,
which he defended with all the bias and schmaltz of a doting father.
Another realization that becomes clear is that what Darwin comprehended in the term
"natural selection" differs rather substantially from what his modern friends now understand
by the same words. Unmistakably, Darwin envisaged a sort of broad billowing out of
incrementally distinct variants for whom the principal selective pressure was a desire to
stay out of one another's way. Thus, for example, the stalks of wheat in a field all
grow to slightly different heights, and lean this way and that, in an effort to avoid direct
competition for the same space, to avoid directly competing to be the same thing.
Evolution therefore, as Darwin conceived it, was inherently evasive and impelled life to
divide into countless varieties. Those forms which were better at solidifying their
idiosyncrasies would reproduce themselves more successfully. These differences are by their
very nature binary, as adaptive distinctions get channeled along increasingly divergent
paths. Given a field of wheat-like plants, natural selection would divide them into species
that maximized their originally quite minimal distinctions. Instead of many stalks which all
grew to more or less the same height with only minor variations, you might get one variety
that sprang up straight and strong like buckwheat and another variety that crept along the
ground like purslane. Meanwhile, the "fence-sitters" would find themselves increasingly
unable to compete against either variety and would drop out of the struggle for existence.
Those fence-sitters, almost by definition, comprise the parent species. Evolution proceeds by
an inexorable process of binary selection and parricide.
In developing his theory thus, Darwin was a much more robust and careful thinker than
either his supporters or his opponents turned out to be. One of the principal objections
raised against Darwinism has always been the lack of transitional forms. However, this is
rather unfair to the theory, since Darwin held that it is in the nature of transitional forms
to rapidly disappear; besides which, there already exists before us many assemblages of
closely related species which provide de facto evidence of the only type of
transitional forms that the theory requires. On the other hand, the modern Neo-Darwinians are
no servants of their master in their maniacal insistence that evolution has no teleology.
Darwin believed that it did and he says so explicitly right there in his book. The purpose of
evolution is to maximize not only the amount of life, but also the "happiness" of the life
(yes, Darwin says this) that can survive in a given space. To this end, life is endowed with
an intrinsic centripetal principle that proceeds by way of binary division and
parricide. This principle cannot be explained merely by the tautology of the survivors
surviving, i.e. the thermodynamic truism which would hold under any theory; it is something
positive and synthetic which is annexed to the thermodynamic facts and makes use of them
as a means.
Now, the fact that the theory of evolution really does have positive (and therefore
falsifiable) content is the very thing the Neo-Darwinians would like to avoid. They would
prefer that it remain in the realm of self-evident syllogisms that cannot be refuted
(as the weight of the available evidence does not actually support it), although why they
would prefer to do so is not easy to discern until one recognizes its potent mythological
capacity. Darwinism is the mirror image of some very deeply ingrained tropes of the Western
and especially the English culture. In its exclusive reliance on the fitness principle and
its assertion of a universal trend towards happiness which is to be attained by overcoming
the past and going one's own way, the style of ideation is at one with the ensemble of
utilitarianism, republicanism, syncretism, and monism which characterizes its century. Thus,
while Darwinism as science stands refuted, and Darwinism as metaphysics is absurd, Darwinism
as literature is a deeply symbolic and "necessary" concomitant of the late stages of
Western civilization.
The ongoing appeal of the theory consists entirely in the fact that---for many people
today and almost the entirety of the "educated" classes---it forms the self-evident
organizational metaphor for describing living activity, just as "democracy" forms the
self-evident rubric for any discussion of politics, despite its obvious inadequacy in that
regard. The culture does not recognize as well-formed thoughts that proceed on any other
basis than these. But this, however, is a temporary phenomenon that is already far along in
the process of fading out. Darwinism will not be replaced by further and better scientific
developments; indeed, there will be no further scientific developments as far as the West is
concerned, for the great age of scientific symbolism (the 18th century) lies irrecoverably
far behind us. Rather, the remains of the theory will decay into a generic terminology for
describing mundane practical matters. In the mind of the common man, it has already done so.
Witness the readily understandable description of a useless act as a "Darwin Award."
Those who would point out the deficiencies in Darwinism or who wish to inquire into the
real nature of biological phenomena may be doing a great service for truth, but they must
realize that their efforts are outside the mainstream of the culture to which they belong,
that they are no longer wanted and therefore lack all symbolic weight, and that they will
never be attended with earthly fame and fortune. Darwinism, like all fashions, succeeded not
by veracity but by excitement, and perishes not of refutation but of boredom. Darwin was
hardly the first to articulate a concept of evolution, as evidenced by his collaboration with
Wallace, but he perhaps gave the most coherent and reasoned explanation of the theory. Like
the telephone, the theory of evolution has many fathers.
@Jeff Stryker The Hispanics are actually driving blacks out of California along with the
Oakies, the Irish-Catholics, the Koreans, the Jews...and everyone else.
No amount of territoriality helps if another race is willing to kill you.
The problem is that just like Miami, the blacks have nowhere else to go. They are not as
inclined to move to Utah.
They are trapped and cannot learn Spanish. I really don't think the people of Utah want
them. Of course this has not stopped the Fed's and the religion base-federally funded
parasite organizations : Lutherin, Methodist, Episcopal, Jewish and Catholic chairities from
moving Congolese into Wyoming, Somalians into Maine and various Muslim refugees into
Burlington, Vermont. Bernie does not need their votes he has more than enough.
Misunderstanding Evolution, Or Evolutionary Theorists May Be Wrong, But Fred Reed Is
Wronger
Good article. I would have addressed it to the more general audience composed of theists
and other forms of True Believer, avoiding constant reference to Fred Reed, but chacun a
son gout .
How many commenters here are capable of understanding what you wrote? Four? Five?
' No. Has a metabolizing, reproducing chemical complex been constructed in the laboratory,
showing that it might be possible? No '
It's worth pointing out that this is just a variation on the reason God -- and gods --
were traditionally believed in.
Do we understand how thunder works? If you're an eighth century Viking, of course you
don't. Ergo, there's a thunder god.
I'm not convinced that that we cannot explain a given datum is sufficient evidence to
conclude God exists. My dog probably would have been at a loss to explain how a car worked --
most people would. It doesn't follow that there's a God and he made cars.
@The Alarmist Darwin was hardly the first to articulate a concept of evolution, as
evidenced by his collaboration with Wallace, but he perhaps gave the most coherent and
reasoned explanation of the theory. Like the telephone, the theory of evolution has many
fathers.
Darwin was hardly the first to articulate a concept of evolution
I did not say that he was. I have said many times in this forum that evolutionary ideas
have been around for millennia and were successfully refuted as long ago as Aristotle. That
is why the modern popularity of evolution requires some explanation other than
scientific evidence or metaphysical veracity, which it clearly lacks.
I'm guessing you did not read past the first paragraph of my original comment, otherwise
you would not have made this entirely beside-the-point remark. I do not necessarily mind
explaining further, but there has to be some practical limit when it comes to saying things
I've already said.
Hear expert testimony from leading evolutionary scientists from some of the world's top
universities.
• Peter Nonacs, Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, UCLA
• Craig Stanford, Professor, Biological Sciences and Anthropology, USC
• PZ Myers, Associate Professor, Biology, University of Minnesota Morris
• Gail E. Kennedy, Associate Professor, Anthropology, UCLA
A study of the evidence of vestigial organs, natural selection, the fifth digit, the
relevance of the stickleback, Darwin's finches and Lenski's bacteria -- all under the
microscope of the Scientific Method -- observable evidence from the minds of experts. Prepare
to have your faith shaken.
Darwin was hardly the first to articulate a concept of evolution...
I did not say that he was. I have said many times in this forum that
evolutionary ideas have been around for millennia and were successfully refuted as long ago
as Aristotle. That is why the modern popularity of evolution requires some explanation
other than scientific evidence or metaphysical veracity, which it clearly lacks.
I'm guessing you did not read past the first paragraph of my original comment, otherwise
you would not have made this entirely beside-the-point remark. I do not necessarily mind
explaining further, but there has to be some practical limit when it comes to saying things
I've already said.
That is why the modern popularity of evolution requires some explanation other than
scientific evidence or metaphysical veracity, which it clearly lacks.
I think this needs to be the key point.
At this late date, it hardly needs refuting anymore. We should try and understand what
modern need it fills.
Darwin was hardly the first to articulate a concept of evolution...
I did not say that he was. I have said many times in this forum that
evolutionary ideas have been around for millennia and were successfully refuted as long ago
as Aristotle. That is why the modern popularity of evolution requires some explanation
other than scientific evidence or metaphysical veracity, which it clearly lacks.
I'm guessing you did not read past the first paragraph of my original comment, otherwise
you would not have made this entirely beside-the-point remark. I do not necessarily mind
explaining further, but there has to be some practical limit when it comes to saying things
I've already said.
I did not say that he was. I have said many times in this forum that evolutionary ideas
have been around for millennia and were successfully refuted as long ago as Aristotle.
LOL. Yeah, "refuted" via thundering declaration of phlogiston-stuff.
Or something analogous. You theists have pontificated BS for centuries. After all, what
else could it be BUT Yahweh, right?
@Bragadocious I've found that the most belligerent defenders of Evolution come from the
UK. Not surprising since they're defending a British pseudo-scientist (Darwin was a
theologian by training) whose main activity during his college education was collecting
beetles. Also interesting: despite their aggressive defense of Evolution and primordial soup,
the Brits also commonly believe in alien life. L. Ron Hubbard set up his world HQ in Britain
for a reason. British taxi driver George King also created a UFO religion out of whole cloth
that now has 58 branches worldwide, most in the UK. I don't know how you square On the
Origin of Species with little green men from Mars, but the Brits have found a way. You
have proof there is no alien life, why has this been kept secret?
Btw I'm in the UK, I've never heard of George King or his religion.
Just looked him up. Nope, doesn't ring a bell at all.
@Thomm It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew like Ron Unz
singlehandedly tie up hundreds if not thousands of White Trashionalists at once.
Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own).
Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even
keyboard-courageous.
Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who
happen to bad at making money, so that they write for very little renumeration.
Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal;
especially if illegal).
Step 4 : Deploy someone like Fred Reed to generate even more confusion.
It works and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse
and Conquer Jew.
Ron Unz has said about 95% of this site disputes the fact that the real division is black
vs non-black. I am among the 5% that agree with him (although I am more conservative than
him, since I think there should be only skilled, legal immigration, not unskilled and
certainly never illegal).
Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get
moderated here, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who
agree with him too vocally, even as any and all anti-Israel content is fully welcome.
Why?
It is because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess from the perception of a 70-IQ
WN. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Trashionalist is far below the IQ
threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron's plan in full
detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring anything out (much less
leaving this site).
@utu The problem with the ToE is that it is de facto tautological so there is no means of
falsification. Thus it is a dogma that any living organism that exists is the outcome of
evolutionary process. There is no other possibility. So all the stories that can be told
about this organism must a priori be framed within the ToE. The ToE has no predictive
ability. We must resign ourselves to accept any outcome because whatever will evolve had to
evolve. We can only construct a posteriori stories that justify the outcome. The stories are
no different from the just-so stories except that Kipling had sense of humor while
evolutionsts take themselves dead seriously. Their seriousness and lack of distance or sense
humor stems from the fact that they are the high priest and the keepers of the dogma which
suppose to save humanity form religious obscurantism. This is not necessarily overtly
acknowledged but it is implied. The veracity of the stories is usually unprovable in the
sense of rigorous proofs available in other branches of science. It is unimaginable that any
evidence could derail or even put a dent in the ToE. For all the reasons above the ToE is
true because it must be true and nothing can be done about it.
Their seriousness and lack of distance or sense humor stems from the fact that they are
the high priest and the keepers of the dogma which suppose to save humanity form religious
obscurantism.
@AaronB Intelligent Design must be viewed with hostility by the scientific
establishment.
Science is supposed to give humans control - if Intelligent Design is true, it
would mean there are other forces at work in the universe, humans must share power,
humans have less control than they thought.
That goes against the whole Point of Science.
Intelligent Design is a dead theory from the pov of science - if true, now what? How does
that add to our power to shape our destiny? We just submit to a higher power?
Evolutionary Theory has resulted in an actual sense of increased power for us - we
apply it in male/female relations, we apply it to population differences, we understand human
behavior and motivation through its prism.
It hardly matters that all of this is false - that it cannot explain male/female relations
or population differences. It hardly matters that it gives us a false sense of power.
Science must prefer it. Only another theory that offers more power than Evolution
will be even remotely considered.
Intelligent Design cancels out science, neuters it, destroys it - it is not just another
scientific theory.
How can Intelligent Design give us more power?
Mankind seems to need security more than anything. Our primary motivation seems to be
fear. Good post.
There are two theories about what leads to maximum human flourishing and well being and
security.
One is that we maximize our control of the environment we find ourselves in. The dream of
science. This requires psychologically cutting ourselves off from nature, seeing ourselves as
separate from it and in opposition to it, and trying to dominate it.
Supposedly we will turn discover the laws that lead to our maximum emotional,
psychological, and physical well being. Security and well being depend on us maximizing our
power and control.
The alternative, what you call mystic , suggests that human flourishing depends on
relinquishing power and control , an utterly radical perspective from the pov of
science. The mystic theory says that we flourish best by collaborating with other forces in
the universe, cooperating and living in accordance with them, that our security and well
being depends on our not cutting ourselves off from the larger whole in order to dominate
it.
In the mystic system, not understanding some things is a necessary part of relinquishing
control - simply because the faculty of discursive understanding is a limited tool that cuts
us off from collaborating with the forces we need to be a part of in order to flourish.
Mystery is thus a basic truth. Understanding is good, but limited.
The modern scientific approach seems to have failed to deliver on its promise of making us
psychologically, emotionally, or physically flourish. By cutting ourselves off from the
whole, our emotional and psychological life seems to have become stunted, narrow and empty,
and mostly about conflict and strife. Anxiety is at record highs. And physically, we are less
robust than ever, prey to a host of diseases our ancestors knew nothing about, and
increasingly obese.
It seems seeing ourselves as independent fragments in opposition to the whole has not
worked out. Have to say ..very good post.
Maybe a touch too good for the majority of audience around.
That science/mystic approach to life/existence ..thought provoking. Even from simply a
daily perspective.
@Intelligent Dasein When reading the Origin of Species, one is impressed by the
fact that Darwin himself comes across as very genteel individual, as someone largely free of
any tendencies towards bitterness, ambition, or acrimony. He was also sporting enough to
honestly meet many of the objections raised against his theory. No doubt these fine personal
qualities of his were instrumental in winning him his retinue of early adherents. But they
also served to mitigate and dissimulate the fact that the theory was very much his baby,
which he defended with all the bias and schmaltz of a doting father.
Another realization that becomes clear is that what Darwin comprehended in the term
"natural selection" differs rather substantially from what his modern friends now understand
by the same words. Unmistakably, Darwin envisaged a sort of broad billowing out of
incrementally distinct variants for whom the principal selective pressure was a desire to
stay out of one another's way. Thus, for example, the stalks of wheat in a field all
grow to slightly different heights, and lean this way and that, in an effort to avoid direct
competition for the same space, to avoid directly competing to be the same thing.
Evolution therefore, as Darwin conceived it, was inherently evasive and impelled life to
divide into countless varieties. Those forms which were better at solidifying their
idiosyncrasies would reproduce themselves more successfully. These differences are by their
very nature binary, as adaptive distinctions get channeled along increasingly divergent
paths. Given a field of wheat-like plants, natural selection would divide them into species
that maximized their originally quite minimal distinctions. Instead of many stalks which all
grew to more or less the same height with only minor variations, you might get one variety
that sprang up straight and strong like buckwheat and another variety that crept along the
ground like purslane. Meanwhile, the "fence-sitters" would find themselves increasingly
unable to compete against either variety and would drop out of the struggle for existence.
Those fence-sitters, almost by definition, comprise the parent species. Evolution proceeds by
an inexorable process of binary selection and parricide.
In developing his theory thus, Darwin was a much more robust and careful thinker than
either his supporters or his opponents turned out to be. One of the principal objections
raised against Darwinism has always been the lack of transitional forms. However, this is
rather unfair to the theory, since Darwin held that it is in the nature of transitional forms
to rapidly disappear; besides which, there already exists before us many assemblages of
closely related species which provide de facto evidence of the only type of
transitional forms that the theory requires. On the other hand, the modern Neo-Darwinians are
no servants of their master in their maniacal insistence that evolution has no teleology.
Darwin believed that it did and he says so explicitly right there in his book. The purpose of
evolution is to maximize not only the amount of life, but also the "happiness" of the life
(yes, Darwin says this) that can survive in a given space. To this end, life is endowed with
an intrinsic centripetal principle that proceeds by way of binary division and
parricide. This principle cannot be explained merely by the tautology of the survivors
surviving, i.e. the thermodynamic truism which would hold under any theory; it is something
positive and synthetic which is annexed to the thermodynamic facts and makes use of them
as a means.
Now, the fact that the theory of evolution really does have positive (and therefore
falsifiable) content is the very thing the Neo-Darwinians would like to avoid. They would
prefer that it remain in the realm of self-evident syllogisms that cannot be refuted
(as the weight of the available evidence does not actually support it), although why they
would prefer to do so is not easy to discern until one recognizes its potent mythological
capacity. Darwinism is the mirror image of some very deeply ingrained tropes of the Western
and especially the English culture. In its exclusive reliance on the fitness principle and
its assertion of a universal trend towards happiness which is to be attained by overcoming
the past and going one's own way, the style of ideation is at one with the ensemble of
utilitarianism, republicanism, syncretism, and monism which characterizes its century. Thus,
while Darwinism as science stands refuted, and Darwinism as metaphysics is absurd, Darwinism
as literature is a deeply symbolic and "necessary" concomitant of the late stages of
Western civilization.
The ongoing appeal of the theory consists entirely in the fact that---for many people
today and almost the entirety of the "educated" classes---it forms the self-evident
organizational metaphor for describing living activity, just as "democracy" forms the
self-evident rubric for any discussion of politics, despite its obvious inadequacy in that
regard. The culture does not recognize as well-formed thoughts that proceed on any other
basis than these. But this, however, is a temporary phenomenon that is already far along in
the process of fading out. Darwinism will not be replaced by further and better scientific
developments; indeed, there will be no further scientific developments as far as the West is
concerned, for the great age of scientific symbolism (the 18th century) lies irrecoverably
far behind us. Rather, the remains of the theory will decay into a generic terminology for
describing mundane practical matters. In the mind of the common man, it has already done so.
Witness the readily understandable description of a useless act as a "Darwin Award."
Those who would point out the deficiencies in Darwinism or who wish to inquire into the
real nature of biological phenomena may be doing a great service for truth, but they must
realize that their efforts are outside the mainstream of the culture to which they belong,
that they are no longer wanted and therefore lack all symbolic weight, and that they will
never be attended with earthly fame and fortune. Darwinism, like all fashions, succeeded not
by veracity but by excitement, and perishes not of refutation but of boredom. Agree with
while Darwinism as science stands refuted, and Darwinism as metaphysics is absurd,
Darwinism as literature is a deeply symbolic and "necessary" concomitant of the late stages
of Western civilization.
and
Those who would point out the deficiencies in Darwinism or who wish to inquire into the
real nature of biological phenomena may be doing a great service for truth, but they must
realize that their efforts are outside the mainstream of the culture to which they belong,
that they are no longer wanted
as for
.and therefore lack all symbolic weight, and that they will never be attended with
earthly fame and fortune.Darwinism, like all fashions, succeeded not by veracity but by
excitement, and perishes not of refutation but of boredom.
@utu Thomm, are you making progress in solving the toilet problem in your home country?
Even Ducks Don't Like Indians
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/category/raceethnicity/south-asians/east-indians/ While I
am not Indian (only a preposterously stupid person would think I am), remember that your face
was deemed as a suitable solution to this problem.
Everybody wins, especially you, since you receive what you crave.
Your face. Remember that, so that you don't have to pose the same question ten times
(given your low IQ of 70).
If a physicist at CalTech expressed doubts about general relativity, he would certainly be
challenged to prove his theory. He would not be hounded, belittled, forced to resign,
charged with pseudoscience, and banned from publication.
You are wrong. He would get the same treatment as anti Darwinists and and top of
it it would be insinuate that he was an anti Semite. Challenging Einstein is a big no no and
grave sin. Challenging Netanyahoo is a bigger no-no and graver sin–also a heck of a lot
more dangerous.
"America has some fifty-seven million residents of Latin-American descent, mostly citizens.
Willy-nilly, they are part of America. Thinking that many Americans might want to know
something about them, where they came from, what they do and have done,"
No Fred. We know approximately 22 million are illegals and will have to go back. The
remaining 37 million will be divided along IQ/race and black Hispanics will have to go back.
Puerto Rico has to be declared independent.
Just because you married a Mexican woman, does not entitle you to bring in Latin America
to make her happy.
If a physicist at CalTech expressed doubts about general relativity, he would certainly be
challenged to prove his theory. He would not be hounded, belittled, forced to resign,
charged with pseudoscience, and banned from publication.
You are wrong. He would get the same treatment as anti Darwinists and and top of
it it would be insinuate that he was an anti Semite. Challenging Einstein is a big no no and
grave sin. Funny thing is, Einstein didn't discover the Theory of Relativity. It was
published 2 years earlier by an Italian scientist named Olento De Pretto. Whether Einstein
stole the idea or arrived at it independently is disputed.
@peterAUS Have to say.....very good post.
Maybe a touch too good for the majority of audience around.
That science/mystic approach to...life/existence.....thought provoking. Even from simply a
daily perspective. Thanks, I'm glad you found something to appreciate in it.
Misunderstanding Evolution, Or Evolutionary Theorists May Be Wrong, But Fred Reed Is
Wronger
Good article. I would have addressed it to the more general audience composed of
theists and other forms of True Believer, avoiding constant reference to Fred Reed, but
chacun a son gout .
Good article. I would have addressed it to the more general audience composed of theists
and other forms of True Believer, avoiding constant reference to Fred Reed.
Thank you for your positive assessment. The reason for the particular mode of address is
that it was written explicitly as a response to an earlier nonsensical effusion from Fred on
the subject of evolution.
As for,
How many commenters here are capable of understanding what you wrote? Four? Five?
Surely more than four or five. In fact, I would assume practically all. The arguments are
straight foreward, unquestionably correct, presented in plain language, and understanding
them requires no special knowledge whatever.
How do you call people that "believe" in evolution? – Evolutionaries. How do you call
people that don't believe in evolution, who instead believe in one stupid religion or
another? – Contra-evolutionaries.
I think that evolution makes a lot of sense. Evolution is basically competition and
favoritism by mother nature – which wants only her good designs to succeed. To bash
evolution because it can't accurately describe how life begun is ridiculous. No
conta-evolutionary has ever been successful at providing meaningful explanation of how life
started either, that hasn't stop anybody from believing in hundreds of useless religions.
@Agent76 This is another great video of conception and the processes in detail and more
folk's need to view and know.
Nov 14, 2011 Conception to birth -- visualized
Image-maker Alexander Tsiaras shares a powerful medical visualization, showing human
development from conception to birth and beyond.
https://youtu.be/fKyljukBE70 Thanks, Agent 76 for posting this incredible video.
Regardless what one thinks about abortion, the fact that millions of these complex structures
called fetuses have been terminated before birth makes me feel that it would be infinitely
better to prevent conception in the first place.
Good article. I would have addressed it to the more general audience composed of theists
and other forms of True Believer, avoiding constant reference to Fred Reed.
Thank you for your positive assessment. The reason for the particular mode of
address is that it was written explicitly as a response to an earlier nonsensical effusion
from Fred on the subject of evolution.
As for,
How many commenters here are capable of understanding what you wrote? Four? Five?
Surely more than four or five. In fact, I would assume practically all. The
arguments are straight foreward, unquestionably correct, presented in plain language, and
understanding them requires no special knowledge whatever.
Surely more than four or five. In fact, I would assume practically all. The arguments
are straight foreward, unquestionably correct, presented in plain language, and
understanding them requires no special knowledge whatever.
Sorry, poor word-choice on my part. How many commenters here are capable of accepting what
you wrote?
We are told that life arose by chance in the primeval oceans.
how life got here in the first place is speculation. No one knows for sure, no
one I know of pretends to.
Do we know of what those oceans consisted?
They could have been boiling acids and lava that sleestacks were using as
breeding ponds, and perhaps some of their juices got lodged in a volcanic plume, and
eventually descended back to earth, to seed the planet with its first 'indigenous' life form.
Can we categorically dismiss this theory as impossible? No, we can not.
But how life got here, is an entirely different conversation than whether or not evolution
happens.
Clue: it does.
Simply consider the Neanderthal. We know he existed. We have his bones and caves.
But where is he today?
Exactly.
Survival of the fittest. When sleestacks one day return to Earth, and find that among the
throngs of waddling bipedals that evolved from their original seed, there are no more of the
pale versions left, that will be because their will to persevere could not prevail over the
treacherous, near infinite venality of some of their members.
And btw, while I consider it arrogant for anyone, either a religious zealot or someone
posing as a 'scientist'.. to pretend to know how life got here..
..it's just as presumptuous, arrogant, dogmatic and closed-minded - to presume to
know that it was put here by ID.
We can't know how life got here, but that certainly doesn't mean that it necessarily was
put here by a purposeful "intelligent design'. That's just more of the kind of arrogant
certainty that most religions display and yes, some of those claiming to be 'scientists' as
well.
Science can't 'know' anything that can't be put to the test or experiment. And since it's
rather (at this time anyways) impossible to reconstruct the earth's environment four billions
or so years ago, (sleestacks notwithstanding), we can't know such things. All they can do is
speculate based on what they can know; with experimentation.
But evolution is happening right before your eyes, man.
The dodo bird is no more. Tigers and elephants and rhinos and thousands of other species
are being whipped out in our lifetimes, to make more and more room for bipedal consumer units
/ tax slaves / cannon fodder. As those other species become extinct, it will be due to
realities on the ground. Literally in most cases, as their habitats are taken over by a
competing species.
This is all brutally obvious once you set aside your prejudices and vanity.
Often, the resistance to the idea of evolution, is a resistance to the idea that we are
related to the lesser apes.
Human vanity is often viscerally repulsed by this idea. But wishing it wasn't so, doesn't
make it go away.
http://i.pbase.com/g3/32/803532/2/99237234.fDbi3ga9.jpg The white race is becoming the
contemporary dodo bird.
Haha Fred, and those that link to him, sure know how to get the clicks, don't they?
Fred thinks that his "take no prisoners" style of writing frees him from the responsibility
of making sense. If challenged on the stupid shit he says, he and his defenders hide behind
the "That's just Fred bein' Fred" defense.
Anyone who posits that ID and the TOE are equivalent because neither has all the answers is
scientifically illiterate, or just a diehard apologist for religious creation myths.
And anyone who uses the phrase "irreducible complexity" in a discussion of ID is at least 20
years behind everyone else. And is probably a recalcitrant pedant.
Same old thing. Creationists, because they don't know how science works, assail the TOE as
faulty or untrue because every single gap in the evolutionary record hasn't yet been filled
in, or the exact mechanism of every facet of evolution hasn't yet been elucidated. While
offering zero proof of their own dogma. Where, exactly, are the state of the art laboratories
where scientists are toiling to prove that ID is true and how it happened? Where are the
landmark papers from these scientists? There is a difference between proposing, defending and
proving your own theory and just unceasingly attacking someone else's. Especially with the
same tired, shabby arguments. Actual scientists know this. Ken Ham and Michael Behe do not.
Fred sure doesn't.
And can we stop calling it Intelligent Design? It's creationism with a different name. You
can tie a pretty pink ribbon around a pig's neck but it's still a pig.
Quite
right. ML got something resembling due process. , @anonymous The
Worms "Hier stehe ich" ("Here I stand") comment may have been a convenient shorthand for a much
more long-winded speech, so Luther may not have actually uttered those words. Nevertheless,
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All Comments Alden says: August 10,
2017 at 5:59 am GMT 200 Words Dream on it would take a Henry 8 Lenin and Trotsky type
revolution to get rid of affirmative action.
If it ever happens, the first thing to do would be to put every judge and their families in
some kind of detention center, close down every state and federal courthouse and completely re
write the constitution to give all power to the elected executive and legislative branches.
Every woman and minority organization would have to be treated the way Henry treated the
monasteries and Lenin and Trotsky treated the Russian counterrevolution.
I'd say only White men with 4 grandparents born in the USA be allowed to vote, but the
damage was done between 1964 to 1973 or so by native born American White men.
The feminazis are just fronts for the cannibal capitalists who used them to destroy the
private sector unions, lower wages for everyone and create a docile work force eager to work 80
hours a week for 40 hours wages.
I'd love to be the commissar in charge of ending affirmative action and punishing those who
created and enforce it. Read More Replies: @Sowhat
I'd say only White men with 4 grandparents born in the USA be allowed to vote, but the damage
was done between 1964 to 1973 or so by native born American White men.
Guilty as charged...As many immature, uneducated Whites in the sixties, I too was
played like a fiddle. If I only knew then what I know now... Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More...
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6:09 am GMT He does know history well for a polemicist, certainly better than anyone else
on AK's shortlist. Not surprisingly, he's also the only monarchist among them. But that in
itself marks him as detached observer, ineffectual intellectual to put it more harshly, not
part of a practical movement or party. Read More Agree: Andrei Martyanov
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Martyanov
ineffectual intellectual
What is often forgotten is that whenever the term "intellectual" is used it must
be the measure of correctness (supported by empirical evidence, both prior and after) not just
the measure of the knowledge (historic, economic, military, scientific etc.) base one operates
in order to sound "intellectual" and "sophisticated". This principle is long gone from Western
"humanities" field and it goes both ways: for so called progressives and so called
"conservatives". I liked you using the term polemicist. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
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6:12 am GMT Egor certainly deserves much more publicity than he is getting right now. I
wouldn`t agree on the other Egor being the most talented, but he did his own important thing,
creating a first real media platform for the Russian nationalism. Read More Reply
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anonymous Disclaimer says: August 10,
2017 at 7:13 am GMT
conservatively-inclined people have their own advantages, such as a focused and methodical
approach to work.
EXACTLY. The innovation and productivity of a company are disproportionately due to the
conservatives who work there, yet perversely the less productive liberals set the ideological
tone. Why? Read More Replies: @Logan A
focused and methodical approach is at least arguably not the key to innovation. Quite the
opposite.
Such an approach is, more or less by definition, working within the box. It can locate and
exploit all possibilities of the space inside the box.
But true innovation, the kind that changes companies, industries and the world, is often
created by those who aren't really aware a box exists. They envision a new box.
Once that innovation has been made, then the focused and methodical approach can expand on
and implement it. Build the box.
Don't know whether it's accurate or not, but there's a stereotype that East Asians are great
at exploiting and elaborating on and implementing the inventions of other groups. This would
make the EAs classic focused, methodical, inside the box types. But for that same reason not
likely to invent world changing ideas.
Had a very interesting experience at a new company 20-some years ago. The CEO had a big
thing about psychological testing. Ran me through three days of standardized tests scored by
computer, which was state of the art at the time.
I just about broke the computer. I scored waay on the right on certain things (beliefs,
values, etc.) and waay on the left for being open to new ideas.
You see, the people who wrote the programs saw those two issues as the same thing. To
over-simplify (some) the authors thought the only possible reason why a man might reject the
idea of cheating on his wife is that he's not open to new experiences. That belief in
traditional moral values must spring from the same spring as an unwillingness to try a new
cuisine.
To my mind, this tells us a lot more about the people who write the programs than it does
about those who take the tests. , @Joe
Franklin
The innovation and productivity of a company are disproportionately due to the conservatives
who work there, yet perversely the less productive liberals set the ideological tone. Why?
Leftist set the ideological tone because entitled-by-law diversity people (aka
leftist) are a organized super-majority of the voting populace in the US and Israel:
Feminist are federally entitled because of Male oppression
Jewish are federally entitled because of Gentile oppression
Queers are federally entitled because of Straight oppression
Muslims are federally entitled because of Christian oppression
Disabled are federally entitled because of Healthy oppression
Afro-blacks are federally entitled because of White oppression
Latinos are federally entitled because of Gringo oppression
Hispanics are federally entitled because of Gringo oppression
Military Veterans are federally entitled because of Militia oppression
Native Americans are federally entitled because of Paleface oppression
Asians are federally entitled because of Occidental oppression
International Socialist are federally entitled because of anti-Totalitarian oppression
Crony Capitalist are federally entitled because of Honest Businessmen oppression
Zionist are federally entitled because of Anti-Neocon oppression
Diversity people are over 95% of the US voting population and are 100% of the Israeli
population. , @Daniel Chieh
As Logan noted, its not entirely true. Conservatives do indeed tend to rank lower to openness
and some other useful traits. As in most things, a balance is probably ideal. Reply
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7:15 am GMT 200 Words "but is indeed based on too broad assumptions, claiming that all
women are unfit for competition, that all of them like relationships and housekeeping while all
men are driven by objects and career."
Damore doesn't say that – he explicitly says the opposite:
" I'm simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women
differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don't see
equal representation of women in tech and leadership. Many of these differences are small and
there's significant overlap between men and women, so you can't say anything about an
individual given these population level distributions."
The author of this piece has made the same error as much of the Anglo MSM.
Damore has been a victim of liberal arts people not being able to understand that he is
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Anonymous Disclaimer says: August 10,
2017 at 8:25 am GMT
– You persecute your employees for having opinions and violate the rights of White
men, Centrists, and Conservatives.
– No, we don't. You're fired.
That's a fairly eloquent argument right off the bat. Read More Agree: Dieter Kief Replies:
@Dieter Kief I
agree. (Button out of work) Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide
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2017 at 8:57 am GMT 200 Words "Damore opposes the Leftist "class struggle of the genders"
with a technocratic model of maximizing the profit from each gender's pros and cons. This
functionalism appears to be logical in its own way, but is indeed based on too broad
assumptions, claiming that all women are unfit for competition, that all of them like
relationships and housekeeping while all men are driven by objects and career."
He said no such thing.
He said that as a group more women than men fit these stereotypes, percentages
undetermined.
I thought the adjective Google chose to use to describe its rejection of his suggestion that
there may be some genuine, irreducible core of difference between sexes that is biological in
nature.
That adjective was "outmoded." Not inaccurate, or untrue, or invalid. Outmoded.
Outmoded simply means unfashionable or out of date. It says nothing at all about accuracy or
truth.
IOW, Google fired him for saying something that is unfashionable. Unintentional truth. Read
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2017 at 8:58 am GMT@Diversity
Heretic Thanks for translations of Russian authors. Russian is a hard language to learn and
its grammatical subtleties are often difficult to convey in English.
I think that Martin Luther received a more respectful and impartial hearing at the Imperial
Diet of Worms in 1521 than James Damore got from Google.
"Here I stand. I can do no other." Quite right. ML got something resembling due process.
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2017 at 9:11 am GMT 300 Words @anonymous
conservatively-inclined people have their own advantages, such as a focused and methodical
approach to work.
EXACTLY. The innovation and productivity of a company are disproportionately due
to the conservatives who work there, yet perversely the less productive liberals set the
ideological tone. Why? A focused and methodical approach is at least arguably not the key to
innovation. Quite the opposite.
Such an approach is, more or less by definition, working within the box. It can locate and
exploit all possibilities of the space inside the box.
But true innovation, the kind that changes companies, industries and the world, is often
created by those who aren't really aware a box exists. They envision a new box.
Once that innovation has been made, then the focused and methodical approach can expand on
and implement it. Build the box.
Don't know whether it's accurate or not, but there's a stereotype that East Asians are great
at exploiting and elaborating on and implementing the inventions of other groups. This would
make the EAs classic focused, methodical, inside the box types. But for that same reason not
likely to invent world changing ideas.
Had a very interesting experience at a new company 20-some years ago. The CEO had a big
thing about psychological testing. Ran me through three days of standardized tests scored by
computer, which was state of the art at the time.
I just about broke the computer. I scored waay on the right on certain things (beliefs,
values, etc.) and waay on the left for being open to new ideas.
You see, the people who wrote the programs saw those two issues as the same thing. To
over-simplify (some) the authors thought the only possible reason why a man might reject the
idea of cheating on his wife is that he's not open to new experiences. That belief in
traditional moral values must spring from the same spring as an unwillingness to try a new
cuisine.
To my mind, this tells us a lot more about the people who write the programs than it does
about those who take the tests. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This
Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments animalogic says: August 10, 2017 at
9:14 am GMT 200 Words "and, given that the proletariat vs. bourgeoisie struggle is now
irrelevant "Only to those too blind to see.
"The final goal of a Conservative solution to the gender problem should not be limited to a
rationalist functionalization of society. It should lead to discovering a social cohesion where
adhering to traditional male and female ways and stereotypes would not keep males and females
from expressing themselves in other domains, provided they have a genuine calling and
talent."
Excellent point. Allow people to do what they are good at. If a woman is good at &
enjoys STEM then give her a fair go -- but don't agitate & force women (or anyone) to do
things they lack the enthusiasm for (while discriminating against those who actually may have
ä genuine calling & talent".
"It is the collapse of the family that made gender relations into such an enormous issue in
the West: men and women are no longer joined in a nucleus of solidarity but pitted against one
another as members of antagonistic classes." A lot of truth here: although what is cause &
what is effect is a knotty issue. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter
Display All Comments jim jones says: August 10, 2017 at
9:24 am GMT Credit to Vox Day:
http://imgur.com/a/BTwz3 Read More
Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments Greg Bacon says: WebsiteAugust 10,
2017 at 9:28 am GMT 300 Words This type of diversity politics is stupidity to the Nth
degree, offering up us white guys as sacrificial lambs for any and all insults, crimes and sins
of the last 400 years, real or not.
It's a shrewd trick by the ones in the USA who really control our nation and I don't mean
Trump or Congress or the CIA.
It's that ethnic group that controls the FED, the US Treasury, those TBTF banks we get to
bail out every 10 years or so, the MSM, where they keep agitating for endless wars that do
nothing for America, but do protect Apartheid Israel from a reality check.
They also control Hollywood, pumping out brain-numbing slop (mostly) filled with over-the-top
violence, sex and nudity and most of the music business, letting artists–mostly
rap–sing indulgent songs about violence, sex, nudity and drugs.
They also have Congress begging to do anything for their Master, while we get told to PO when
we ask for help.
And they control the two biggest Internet outlets, Google and FAKEBOOK, both of whom are into
being self-appointed cops protecting us feeble ones from allegedly fake stories, but actually
shutting down stories that don't goose step to the glorious future they envision, which doesn't
contain us white guys.
After nearly 16 years of non-stop war, tens of thousands of dead American troops, hundreds
of thousands horribly wounded, a monstrous debt and a falling apart infrastructure with good
paying jobs disappearing, Americans are rightly PO and want change, but instead outfits like
GOOGLE are directing that anger elsewhere and protecting the guilty. Read More Agree:
Seamus Padraig ,
anarchyst , Rurik Replies: @Fidelios
Automata Agreed. Here's a place where the original author was wrong. The class struggle
isn't over. Income inequality is bigger than it's ever been. Identity politics are a
misdirection used by elites like Hitlery to divide us so we don't realize who the _real_ enemy
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Comments The Alarmist says:
August 10, 2017 at
9:30 am GMT 100 Words
"is highly plausible that the Damore Memo may play the same breakthrough part in
discussing the politically correct insanity as WikiLeaks and Snowden files did in discussing
the dirty laundry of governments and secret services."
Yep, we can discuss it in what the Libs consider to be our own little conspiracy-theory echo
chamber. Sometimes you have to accept that there is evil and then decide what to do about it.
Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments Daniil Adamov says:
August 10, 2017 at
10:03 am GMT 100 Words The last sentence is my own main sentiment regarding this affair.
It's something of a pity, but if they want to make each other more a little more miserable and
poor, then fine by me.
The Martin Luther analogy is, in my mind, vastly overblown (Google is not the Church, this
guy is not some radical rebel but a very mild internal critic, his – honestly somewhat
surprising – current level of notoriety is probably as far as he is going to get), but I
suppose you have to compare it to something BIG or you don't have an article. Read More
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this guy is not some radical rebel but a very mild internal critic
That applied to Martin Luther as well. He was quite mild compared to rebels like
Calvin. , @englishmike
(Google is not the Church, this guy is not some radical rebel but a very mild internal
critic, his – honestly somewhat surprising – current level of notoriety is
probably as far as he is going to get)
That's a fair comment, and I imagine that most people commenting here would be
aware of Damore's limitations as a thinker. But what he wrote, and the context in which he
published it, has attracted that "surprising notoriety": he appears to have sparked different
kinds of reaction in different kinds of people and inspired levels of debate beyond the
limitations of his thought.
Maybe the Unz Review should consider offering him a platform from which to write a follow-up
by inviting him to submit a blog, or at least to contribute as a commenter on a thread such as
this one. It would enable him to take his arguments further and also to submit them to the
critical responses of the commenters here - which would be more respectful and less trivial
than the ones he has encountered in the Google "community".
It might also attract people to the Unz Review who have not yet benefited from the
"interesting, important and controversial" perspectives available here. Reply
Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments Dieter Kief says: August 10, 2017 at
10:07 am GMT@Anonymous
– You persecute your employees for having opinions and violate the rights of White men,
Centrists, and Conservatives.
– No, we don't. You're fired.
That's a fairly eloquent argument right off the bat. I agree. (Button out of work)
Read More Replies: @Anonymous This
is why we need a * highher * power to put these "masters of the universe" in their
place. Google is a utility and it should be treated as such. End of story. Reply
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10:22 am GMT 200 Words Egor Kholmogorov is a very intersting new voice – –
thanks – all – for your efforts.
(James Damore is no Martin Luther: Luther is the person in world history , that is
written about the most. By putting Damore in such oversized boots, no wonder Kholmogorov after
a while finds, that his subject doesn't walk properly. What Damore tries to do is not, to
understand our times, or to reform modern society or some such: He simply takes a position in a
debate over role models – and a debate about a pretty Marxist question, if you think
about it: Just how many of our character traits have a material (=biological) basis. That task
Damore solves clear and well, I think. But more, he doesn't, – – whereas Luther for
example (or Brenz from Schwäbisch Hall & Melanchthon from Bretten) really tried
– and (mostly) achieved)). Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter
Display All Comments Sergey Krieger says:
August 10, 2017 at
10:40 am GMT So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism.
It is artificial led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more
efficiently. In short, it is not left. Read More Replies: @iffenIt is
artificial led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more
efficiently.
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is
artificial led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more
efficiently
So in your world Bolsheviks didn't divide the population and loot the country? ,
@Jaakko Raipala
This contemporary Leftist strategy is pretty Lenin-like. It's not a top down strategy, it's
vanguardist takeover. These corporations that promote leftism don't usually start off that way,
they get taken over, and tech companies have proven extremely vulnerable to this.
Once a company hits some success and starts growing beyond the start-up of tech geeks they
hire lawyers, PR, marketers and leftism gets its foot in the door. Once the old techie core
cedes hiring and firing to some human resources department the company starts hiring more
leftists and minority puppets. The techies that brought the initial success are likely to be
politically inept and uninterested individualist personality types and eventually some clique
of leftists realizes that the old guard of the company is a bunch of pushovers when faced with
a tight-knit group of political plotters.
They may realize that profits die in the process of converting a successful company to the
leftist agenda but it doesn't matter to them - they might even see it as a benefit, after all,
the original success of the company was likely due to white men with insufficiently progressive
views so they get to both destroy something their enemies created and use the accumulated
resources for their agenda.
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to
break its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard. , @dfordoom
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is
artificial led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more
efficiently. In short, it is not left.
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Anonymous Disclaimer says: August 10,
2017 at 10:45 am GMT@Dieter Kief I
agree. (Button out of work) This is why we need a * highher * power to put these
"masters of the universe" in their place. Google is a utility and it should be treated as such.
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2017 at 10:47 am GMT 200 Words This is turning out to be the most incendiary firing since
James Comey.
Damore's essay is an expression of his self-interest in retaining male dominance in software
engineering and his anger that his employer is making moves of artificial
reverse-discrimination in order to try and reverse the dominance. It is guised in intellectual
terms but that's really all there is to it. His company's management supports the attempt to
shift power from men to women – and are worried Damore or the likes of him will succeed
in organizing a male rebellion – which would bring the company down because of its
dependence on the male workforce. That's why they panicked and fired him. And to top it off,
Google is run by a foreign feminized beta male – which – being a member of a
minority – is unable himself to take on The Powers That Be in America. Because a being a
Hindu he's presupposed to need reeducation himself to fit in American society. Read More Reply
Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments Seamus Padraig says:
August 10, 2017 at
11:19 am GMT 400 Words Good article, Anatoly. Thanks for the translation.
The ideological groundwork of the opposing viewpoints is immediately apparent. Both equate
"biological" with "natural" and therefore "true", and "social" with "artificial" and
therefore "arbitrary" and "false". Both sides reject "prejudice" in favor of "vision", but
politically correct Leftists reject only a fraction of prejudices while the critic calls for
throwing all of them away indiscriminately.
Not quite. Cultural Marxists actually seem to reject biology as such, believing that
everything is merely cultural. (And of course, just for good measure, they hate our culture,
too.) As we all know, they definitely do not reject prejudice; on the contrary, they
loudly endorse reverse-prejudice as a 'necessary corrective'. But the author doesn't live in
the US, so he may not be aware of this.
Prejudice is shorthand for common sense. Sometimes it oversimplifies things, but still
works most of the time. And, most importantly, all attempts to act "in spite of the
prejudice" almost invariably end in disaster.
Prejudice is simply the layman's empiricism -- i.e., learning from experience. When you
don't know the individual in question, you are always going to fall back on assumptions based
on known patterns. That's why prejudice is impossible to get rid of: you would have to get rid
of human nature.
This functionalism appears to be logical in its own way, but is indeed based on too broad
assumptions, claiming that all women are unfit for competition, that all of them like
relationships and housekeeping while all men are driven by objects and career.
I agree with commenter #10 above that this is not a fair characterization of Damore's
argument. Damore spoke of statistical averages. He never said "all men" or "all women".
However, the single most valuable trait in conservative worldview is defending the
achievements of history and not just biological determinism The final goal of a Conservative
solution to the gender problem should not be limited to a rationalist functionalization of
society.
So true, and I wonder how you reacted to reading that, Anatoly. This is what Dugin (like
Heidegger before him) is getting at: a working, enduring civilization requires more than mere
"rationalist functionalization". It also requires a proper culture , which includes a
worthwhile aesthetical and moral system. Maybe you might consider such a thought to be
'obscurantism', but it is very hard to imagine a whole civilization premised exclusively on
means-reasoning and efficiency lasting very long or even being a civilization worth living in
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Comments bliss_porsena says:
August 10, 2017 at
11:20 am GMT Don't do any more translation. Leave the original in Russian where it belongs,
and summarise. Parse the nuggets of gold into bullet points. Two or three should do it. Read
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Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments Anonymouse says: August 10, 2017 at
11:20 am GMT God help the Russians if this pedestrian essay was written by their best man.
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Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments Joe Franklin says:
August 10, 2017 at
11:58 am GMT 200 Words @anonymous
conservatively-inclined people have their own advantages, such as a focused and methodical
approach to work.
EXACTLY. The innovation and productivity of a company are disproportionately due
to the conservatives who work there, yet perversely the less productive liberals set the
ideological tone. Why?
The innovation and productivity of a company are disproportionately due to the
conservatives who work there, yet perversely the less productive liberals set the ideological
tone. Why?
Leftist set the ideological tone because entitled-by-law diversity people (aka leftist) are
a organized super-majority of the voting populace in the US and Israel:
Feminist are federally entitled because of Male oppression
Jewish are federally entitled because of Gentile oppression
Queers are federally entitled because of Straight oppression
Muslims are federally entitled because of Christian oppression
Disabled are federally entitled because of Healthy oppression
Afro-blacks are federally entitled because of White oppression
Latinos are federally entitled because of Gringo oppression
Hispanics are federally entitled because of Gringo oppression
Military Veterans are federally entitled because of Militia oppression
Native Americans are federally entitled because of Paleface oppression
Asians are federally entitled because of Occidental oppression
International Socialist are federally entitled because of anti-Totalitarian oppression
Crony Capitalist are federally entitled because of Honest Businessmen oppression
Zionist are federally entitled because of Anti-Neocon oppression
Diversity people are over 95% of the US voting population and are 100% of the Israeli
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2017 at 12:55 pm GMT 100 Words "Instead of churning out new ground-breaking products,
opines the critic, Google wastes too much effort on fanning the flames of class struggle."
In the long run, this is good. Natural selection will ensure that in a few decades Google and
many other big Western corporations who follow these lines will fail due to incompetence of
their managers and employees, and more pragmatic ones will appear and replace them, usually
from more traditional and rational societies in Eastern Europe (Poland, Czechia, Slovakia,
Russia) and East Asia (China, South Korea, Singapur). Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc.
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12:56 pm GMT 100 Words Martin Luther succeeded only because there was money to be made.
Catholic Church had property and money. Princes of German states went after Church property.
This is why and how Protestant Revolution succeeded. W/o the princes the Protestant Revolution
would fizzled out and grass root movements would be squashed and destroyed like Thomas Muntzer
peasant rebellion.
We still have peasants. But we do not have princes who are not part of the Church. So do not
raise your hopes.
We know a lot about Martin Luther private life but we know less about James Damore. Is there
also the issue of getting laid? Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter
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August 10, 2017 at
1:05 pm GMT@anonymous
conservatively-inclined people have their own advantages, such as a focused and methodical
approach to work.
EXACTLY. The innovation and productivity of a company are disproportionately due
to the conservatives who work there, yet perversely the less productive liberals set the
ideological tone. Why? As Logan noted, its not entirely true. Conservatives do indeed tend to
rank lower to openness and some other useful traits. As in most things, a balance is probably
ideal. Read More Replies: @iffenAs in
most things, a balance is probably ideal.
Moderation in all things, save moderation. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter
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1:52 pm GMT Anatoly,
Good read. Good examples to support an emotionally spirited article. Keep writing. Read More
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August 10, 2017 at
2:12 pm GMT 100 Words
Unfortunately, like the bulk of Western thought, they fall into the trap of Leftist
"cultural constructivism" and Conservative naturalism.
That could be read as just the usual conservative "antiracism". Now admittedly there
certainly should be moral and ethical limits regarding those issues, one should take care not
to end up at the same conclusions and deeds as the Nazis but still, in the present intellectual
climate of the West bashing "Conservative naturalism" would be very misguided imo. All this
talk of Burkean conservatism, tradition, religion etc. will be totally ineffectual against the
progressive juggernaut.
As for that Google memo is that really important? Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More...
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2017 at 2:31 pm GMT@Sergey Krieger
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is artificial
led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more efficiently. In
short, it is not left. It is artificial led from the top movement to divide population to
rule it and fleece more efficiently.
Perfect overlap then. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread
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2:31 pm GMT Why did you omit the original title, "Triumph of the Gender Sharikovs"? Read
More Replies: @Fluctuarius
The English title was suggested by the author himself, likewise, he didn't object to my removal
of the Sharikov allusion in the text proper. Our joint opinion is that it would have been lost
on 99% of readers and taken unnecessary effort to explain in a footnote. Reply
Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments iffen says: August 10,
2017 at 2:39 pm GMTWe hope to make translations of Kholmogorov's output consistently
available on The Unz Review in the months to come.
Great! Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments iffen says: August 10,
2017 at 2:42 pm GMT@Daniel Chieh
As Logan noted, its not entirely true. Conservatives do indeed tend to rank lower to openness
and some other useful traits. As in most things, a balance is probably ideal. As in most
things, a balance is probably ideal.
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Anon Disclaimer says: August 10,
2017 at 2:47 pm GMT@Daniil Adamov
The last sentence is my own main sentiment regarding this affair. It's something of a pity, but
if they want to make each other more a little more miserable and poor, then fine by me.
The Martin Luther analogy is, in my mind, vastly overblown (Google is not the Church, this
guy is not some radical rebel but a very mild internal critic, his - honestly somewhat
surprising - current level of notoriety is probably as far as he is going to get), but I
suppose you have to compare it to something BIG or you don't have an article.
this guy is not some radical rebel but a very mild internal critic
That applied to Martin Luther as well. He was quite mild compared to rebels like Calvin.
Read More Replies: @Anon That's
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2017 at 2:49 pm GMT 200 Words Kholmogorov: " First, that tradition is an ever-growing
accumulation of experience. Rejecting tradition is tantamount to social default and requires
very good reasons to justify. "
I'm born and raised in late 20th century South-Eastern Europe and haven't seen a single
thing that fits this description. Things called traditions in my part of the world are exactly
at odds with ever-growing accumulation of experience.
If Russia is preserves such traditions, I can only say it's a society such as I have never seen
and have trouble even imagining.
Kholmogorov: " [T]he prejudice is a colossal historical experience pressurized into a
pre-logical form, a collective consciousness that acts when individual reason fails or a
scrupulous analysis is impossible. In such circumstances, following the prejudice is a more
sound strategy than contradicting it. Prejudice is shorthand for common sense. Sometimes it
oversimplifies things, but still works most of the time. And, most importantly, all attempts to
act "in spite of the prejudice" almost invariably end in disaster "
Following traditional prejudices was the choice of Nazi Germany toward Slavs. Read More
Replies: @iffenFollowing traditional prejudices was the choice of Nazi Germany toward Slavs.
Good point.
In that they ended up in a war of annihilation, could we say that each was served by their
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August 10, 2017 at
2:52 pm GMT 100 Words What strikes me is how "unrussian", and for that reason, uneuropean,
Mr Kholmogorov's arguments sound. He's just repeating the arguments and the jargon of the US
alt-right. For example, he unquestioningly accepts the US idea that there is something called
"the West", which consists of the US and the whole of Europe except Russia, where everything is
the exactly like in the US. He really needs to devote more time to getting to know his fellow
Europeans. We are not very different from Russians but are very different indeed from
Americans. As for Fluctuarius Argenteus, the only reason why anyone needs to conceal their real
identity is that if we, the readers, knew who he really was, it would diminish, if not destroy,
the credibility of the article he is presenting. Read More Disagree: JL Replies: @Anon
He really needs to devote more time to getting to know his fellow Europeans.
Fellow Europeans? They are not his fellow Europeans.
He is not an European and modern Europe is increasingly an extension of America, and not
something independent. , @Daniel Chieh
This is not without historical precedent.
The notion of the Russian soul has always existed as a contrast to the rest of Europe, and
to be fair, most of Europe is assimilated heavily to what their idea of America is. I know of
quite a few Russians who would be annoyed if you called them "fellow Europeans." Reply
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Anon Disclaimer says: August 10,
2017 at 2:58 pm GMT@Anon
this guy is not some radical rebel but a very mild internal critic
That applied to Martin Luther as well. He was quite mild compared to rebels like
Calvin. That's not saying very much. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter
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2017 at 3:00 pm GMT@Ivan K.
Kholmogorov: " First, that tradition is an ever-growing accumulation of experience.
Rejecting tradition is tantamount to social default and requires very good reasons to
justify. "
I'm born and raised in late 20th century South-Eastern Europe and haven't seen a single
thing that fits this description. Things called traditions in my part of the world are exactly
at odds with ever-growing accumulation of experience.
If Russia is preserves such traditions, I can only say it's a society such as I have never seen
and have trouble even imagining.
Kholmogorov: " [T]he prejudice is a colossal historical experience pressurized into a
pre-logical form, a collective consciousness that acts when individual reason fails or a
scrupulous analysis is impossible. In such circumstances, following the prejudice is a more
sound strategy than contradicting it. Prejudice is shorthand for common sense. Sometimes it
oversimplifies things, but still works most of the time. And, most importantly, all attempts to
act "in spite of the prejudice" almost invariably end in disaster "
Following traditional prejudices was the choice of Nazi Germany toward Slavs. Following
traditional prejudices was the choice of Nazi Germany toward Slavs.
Good point.
In that they ended up in a war of annihilation, could we say that each was served by their
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Hide Thread Display All Comments WorkingClass says:
August 10, 2017 at
3:11 pm GMT 100 Words The SJW's (Maoists) have been taught to hate everything white and/or
male including the entire history of white culture. Damore's supposed conservatism is not the
issue. He was punished for bringing it out of the closet. White men who will not bend their
knee to Maoists are being hunted in Maoist controlled environs. This article is well reasoned.
But there is no reasoning with zombies. Even if they are former friends or family. White men
have the same options as soldiers in the field. Fight, flee or fortify. Or surrender. Avert
your eyes and shuffle to the back of the bus. Read More Replies: @Seamus
Padraig
Damore's supposed conservatism is not the issue. He was punished for bringing it out of the
closet.
Damore doesn't seem too conservative to me. If he were a conservative, he would be
arguing against Google's policies on the basis of cultural tradition. No, Damore is simply a
scientist arguing on the basis of science. Nothing wrong with that, but it isn't conservatism.
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Anon Disclaimer says: August 10,
2017 at 3:22 pm GMT@Michael Kenny
What strikes me is how "unrussian", and for that reason, uneuropean, Mr Kholmogorov's arguments
sound. He's just repeating the arguments and the jargon of the US alt-right. For example, he
unquestioningly accepts the US idea that there is something called "the West", which consists
of the US and the whole of Europe except Russia, where everything is the exactly like in the
US. He really needs to devote more time to getting to know his fellow Europeans. We are not
very different from Russians but are very different indeed from Americans. As for Fluctuarius
Argenteus, the only reason why anyone needs to conceal their real identity is that if we, the
readers, knew who he really was, it would diminish, if not destroy, the credibility of the
article he is presenting.
He really needs to devote more time to getting to know his fellow Europeans.
Fellow Europeans? They are not his fellow Europeans.
He is not an European and modern Europe is increasingly an extension of America, and not
something independent. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread
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anonymous Disclaimer says: August 10,
2017 at 3:23 pm GMT@Diversity
Heretic Thanks for translations of Russian authors. Russian is a hard language to learn and
its grammatical subtleties are often difficult to convey in English.
I think that Martin Luther received a more respectful and impartial hearing at the Imperial
Diet of Worms in 1521 than James Damore got from Google.
"Here I stand. I can do no other." The Worms "Hier stehe ich" ("Here I stand") comment may
have been a convenient shorthand for a much more long-winded speech, so Luther may not have
actually uttered those words. Nevertheless, point taken. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc.
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August 10, 2017 at
3:38 pm GMT 100 Words @Michael Kenny
What strikes me is how "unrussian", and for that reason, uneuropean, Mr Kholmogorov's arguments
sound. He's just repeating the arguments and the jargon of the US alt-right. For example, he
unquestioningly accepts the US idea that there is something called "the West", which consists
of the US and the whole of Europe except Russia, where everything is the exactly like in the
US. He really needs to devote more time to getting to know his fellow Europeans. We are not
very different from Russians but are very different indeed from Americans. As for Fluctuarius
Argenteus, the only reason why anyone needs to conceal their real identity is that if we, the
readers, knew who he really was, it would diminish, if not destroy, the credibility of the
article he is presenting. This is not without historical precedent.
The notion of the Russian soul has always existed as a contrast to the rest of Europe, and
to be fair, most of Europe is assimilated heavily to what their idea of America is. I know of
quite a few Russians who would be annoyed if you called them "fellow Europeans." Read More
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Comments nickels says: August 10,
2017 at 3:40 pm GMT This guy is ok, but I still prefer the 'obscurantism' of Dugin.
There is little point arguing from a 'common sense' stance against the leftists.
This is war, not an argument.
Liberalism must be destroyed. Read More Replies: @Anatoly
Karlin
This guy is ok, but I still prefer the 'obscurantism' of Dugin.
I'll reveal a terrible secret to you: Dugin is not actually a nationalist. He is
the Russian equivalent of a Western multiculturalist.
He even denies the concept of race.
The Alt Right's infatuation with him is utterly bizarre. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More...
This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments Cagey Beast says: WebsiteAugust 10, 2017 at
3:50 pm GMT 200 Words Seeing Orthodoxy and Martin Luther mentioned in the same place
reminded me of the amusing history of early Lutheran contacts with the eastern Church:
Most Christians are not aware that in the latter part of the 16th century, early Lutheran
Reformers – close colleagues and followers of Martin Luther – set in motion an
eight year contact and correspondence with the (then) Ecumenical Patriarch, Jeremias II of
Constantinople. The outcome might have changed the course of Christian history. Kevin Allen
speaks with scholar Dr Paraskeve (Eve) Tibbs about this fascinating and largely unknown
chapter in post-Reformation history.
From Wittenberg to Antioch
September 16, 2007 Length: 32:12
A fascinating interview with Fr. Gregory Hogg, an Antiochian priest in Western Michigan.
Fr. Gregory was a Missouri Synod Lutheran pastor and professor for 22 years before coming to
Orthodoxy.
[...]
Long story short, the western reformers were too argumentative and lawyerly for the
Patriarch of Constantinople to take. He essentially said "please stop writing to me". Read More
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2017 at 5:32 pm GMT Basically the Left is in denial of science DNA. Read More Replies:
@Seamus Padraig
Yes, it's funny, isn't it. Liberals loudly proclaim their allegiance to evolution, but only to
attack Christianity. But as soon as the concept of evolution upsets their non-scientific
theories of 'gender fluidity' and 'racial equality', they close their eyes, cover their ears,
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6:25 pm GMT@Sergey Krieger
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is artificial
led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more efficiently. In
short, it is not left.
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is
artificial led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more
efficiently
So in your world Bolsheviks didn't divide the population and loot the country? Read More
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You are the one that lives in echo chamber. Bolsheviks looted the country. It is the dumbest
comment I have ever heard. You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
Bolsheviks actually saved and built the country and current regime has been living from what
was built by Commies ever since. I just pointed that so called left is not left. But you asked
for this. You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites which
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6:28 pm GMT 100 Words Clearly Google should acquire the status of a public utility –
like the Ma Bell telephone system was regulated in the 1950's.
Google is too powerful – it should not have the cultural monopoly power it has over
our society.
"The people" and their mass interests are preeminent in the hierarchy things. Like it or not
– Google is a product of our culture – therefor our culture has a valid claim on
its actions.
It comes down too private ownership vs. public interest. As a pure libertarian I do not like
it – but as a realist, the mass interests of the people counts.
The "golden mean" must win out. A compromise must be reached.
Google's actions must be regulated.
Peace -- Art Read More Replies: @utu STEVE
BANNON WANTS FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE REGULATED LIKE UTILITIES
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/steve-bannon-wants-facebook-and-google-regulated-like-utilities/
, @Darin
Clearly Google should acquire the status of a public utility
Why you think United States Googlemaster General would be more friendly to free
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7:01 pm GMT@Art Clearly
Google should acquire the status of a public utility – like the Ma Bell telephone system
was regulated in the 1950's.
Google is too powerful – it should not have the cultural monopoly power it has over
our society.
"The people" and their mass interests are preeminent in the hierarchy things. Like it or not
– Google is a product of our culture – therefor our culture has a valid claim on
its actions.
It comes down too private ownership vs. public interest. As a pure libertarian I do not like
it – but as a realist, the mass interests of the people counts.
The "golden mean" must win out. A compromise must be reached.
Google's actions must be regulated.
Peace --- Art STEVE BANNON WANTS FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE REGULATED LIKE UTILITIES
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/steve-bannon-wants-facebook-and-google-regulated-like-utilities/
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Comments 22pp22 says: August 10,
2017 at 7:39 pm GMT I've abandoned Google and gone over to Duckduckgo. They seem just as
good. Read More Replies: @Seamus Padraig
Yes, I've been using DuckDuckGo.com for over four years now, and no regrets. No filter bubbles
either! Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All
Comments Jaakko Raipala says:
August 10, 2017 at
7:58 pm GMT 300 Words @Sergey Krieger
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is artificial
led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more efficiently. In
short, it is not left. This contemporary Leftist strategy is pretty Lenin-like. It's not a top
down strategy, it's vanguardist takeover. These corporations that promote leftism don't usually
start off that way, they get taken over, and tech companies have proven extremely vulnerable to
this.
Once a company hits some success and starts growing beyond the start-up of tech geeks they
hire lawyers, PR, marketers and leftism gets its foot in the door. Once the old techie core
cedes hiring and firing to some human resources department the company starts hiring more
leftists and minority puppets. The techies that brought the initial success are likely to be
politically inept and uninterested individualist personality types and eventually some clique
of leftists realizes that the old guard of the company is a bunch of pushovers when faced with
a tight-knit group of political plotters.
They may realize that profits die in the process of converting a successful company to the
leftist agenda but it doesn't matter to them – they might even see it as a benefit, after
all, the original success of the company was likely due to white men with insufficiently
progressive views so they get to both destroy something their enemies created and use the
accumulated resources for their agenda.
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to
break its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard. Read More
Agree: Anatoly Karlin ,
Johann
Ricke Replies: @Miro23
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to break
its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard.
This did come out of the 19th Century with awful factory conditions, decadent
upper classes (pre WWI) and their unexpected collapse along with the whole Belle Époque
in WW1.
There was plenty of fuel for socialism with 1) a fashionable new intellectual left 2)
political fluidity 3) politically bankrupt Ancien Regimes.
In my opinion fashionable radical vanguards saw the possibility of harnessing these forces
to take power - some of them acting idealistically - some not. The key point was that Ancien
Regimes were weakened by WW1, with a good example being Russia with its military failures and
its decadent and ineffectual Czarist government.
In these unusual circumstances, the self appointed Bolshevik Radical Vanguard could exploit
the disaffection of Russian soldiers in Petrograd and Lenin could unilaterally issued General
Order Nº1 as the self appointed head of the Council of Soldiers and Workingmen's Deputies
(ignoring the Provisional Government) with all military units ordered to remove their existing
officers and elect new ones. This was coupled with promises to stop the war and give all
peasant soldiers their own private farms, which predictably went down very well and wrecked
army discipline.
Source: "Russia from the American Embassy" by David Rowland Francis, U.S. ambassador to
Russia for 5 years from March 1916 to March 1921.
https://www.amazon.com/Russia-American-Embassy-April-1916-November/dp/B00B6ZE8NI/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
Francis also went on to say, "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists
and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the
elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came at the end of November 1917, they filled
the assembly hall with soldiers and rejected the result of the vote (Social Revolutionaries
20,893,743, Bolsheviks 9,023,963 out of 36,257,960 votes cast). The Bolsheviks declared that
Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established his dictatorship.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans did
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Comments Fluctuarius says: August 10, 2017 at
8:17 pm GMT@FD Why did you
omit the original title, "Triumph of the Gender Sharikovs"? The English title was suggested by
the author himself, likewise, he didn't object to my removal of the Sharikov allusion in the
text proper. Our joint opinion is that it would have been lost on 99% of readers and taken
unnecessary effort to explain in a footnote. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments englishmike says: August 10, 2017 at
8:38 pm GMT 200 Words @Daniil Adamov
The last sentence is my own main sentiment regarding this affair. It's something of a pity, but
if they want to make each other more a little more miserable and poor, then fine by me.
The Martin Luther analogy is, in my mind, vastly overblown (Google is not the Church, this
guy is not some radical rebel but a very mild internal critic, his - honestly somewhat
surprising - current level of notoriety is probably as far as he is going to get), but I
suppose you have to compare it to something BIG or you don't have an article.
(Google is not the Church, this guy is not some radical rebel but a very mild internal
critic, his – honestly somewhat surprising – current level of notoriety is
probably as far as he is going to get)
That's a fair comment, and I imagine that most people commenting here would be aware of
Damore's limitations as a thinker. But what he wrote, and the context in which he published it,
has attracted that "surprising notoriety": he appears to have sparked different kinds of
reaction in different kinds of people and inspired levels of debate beyond the limitations of
his thought.
Maybe the Unz Review should consider offering him a platform from which to write a follow-up
by inviting him to submit a blog, or at least to contribute as a commenter on a thread such as
this one. It would enable him to take his arguments further and also to submit them to the
critical responses of the commenters here – which would be more respectful and less
trivial than the ones he has encountered in the Google "community".
It might also attract people to the Unz Review who have not yet benefited from the
"interesting, important and controversial" perspectives available here. Read More Reply
Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments Andrei Martyanov says:
WebsiteAugust 10, 2017 at
8:58 pm GMT 100 Words @5371 He does
know history well for a polemicist, certainly better than anyone else on AK's shortlist. Not
surprisingly, he's also the only monarchist among them. But that in itself marks him as
detached observer, ineffectual intellectual to put it more harshly, not part of a practical
movement or party.
ineffectual intellectual
What is often forgotten is that whenever the term "intellectual" is used it must be the
measure of correctness (supported by empirical evidence, both prior and after) not just the
measure of the knowledge (historic, economic, military, scientific etc.) base one operates in
order to sound "intellectual" and "sophisticated". This principle is long gone from Western
"humanities" field and it goes both ways: for so called progressives and so called
"conservatives". I liked you using the term polemicist. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc.
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WebsiteAugust 10, 2017 at
9:04 pm GMT 100 Words
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to
break its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard.
Ooookey Dookey! And how about other two fundamental signs of impending revolution? I agree
with vanguard argument, after all school in Longjumeau was doing just that–preparing the
vanguard. But what about economics of revolution? What about political crisis? Read More Reply
Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments Darin says: August 10,
2017 at 9:30 pm GMT@Art Clearly
Google should acquire the status of a public utility – like the Ma Bell telephone system
was regulated in the 1950's.
Google is too powerful – it should not have the cultural monopoly power it has over
our society.
"The people" and their mass interests are preeminent in the hierarchy things. Like it or not
– Google is a product of our culture – therefor our culture has a valid claim on
its actions.
It comes down too private ownership vs. public interest. As a pure libertarian I do not like
it – but as a realist, the mass interests of the people counts.
The "golden mean" must win out. A compromise must be reached.
Google's actions must be regulated.
Peace --- Art
Clearly Google should acquire the status of a public utility
Why you think United States Googlemaster General would be more friendly to free speech than
current Google leadership? Read More Replies: @Art
Clearly Google should acquire the status of a public utility
Why you think United States Googlemaster General would be more friendly to free speech
than current Google leadership?
Darin,
The exstreams of Google Today and United States Googlemaster General will not work for us
– there can be something in between. A golden mean can be reached.
The best situation would be for Googles users, to each set the policy for themselves.
This is doable. They get to choose the what algorithms they want and the viewing policy they
want.
Googlemaster General must see that ALL information is collected and made available to
users.
Peace --- Art Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
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10:13 pm GMT 100 Words @Darin
Clearly Google should acquire the status of a public utility
Why you think United States Googlemaster General would be more friendly to free
speech than current Google leadership?
Clearly Google should acquire the status of a public utility
Why you think United States Googlemaster General would be more friendly to free speech
than current Google leadership?
Darin,
The exstreams of Google Today and United States Googlemaster General will not work for us
– there can be something in between. A golden mean can be reached.
The best situation would be for Googles users, to each set the policy for themselves.
This is doable. They get to choose the what algorithms they want and the viewing policy they
want.
Googlemaster General must see that ALL information is collected and made available to
users.
Peace -- Art Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide
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Anonymous Disclaimer says: August 10,
2017 at 10:39 pm GMT "Polity" should be "policy". "Diving" should be "dividing".
I stopped noticing after that.
Give the new Russian translator a break. Read his copy before posting it. Read More Reply
Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments Macumazahn says: August 11, 2017 at
1:15 am GMT 100 Words If men and women are in fact NOT different by nature, then what's the
business advantage in hiring more women? What do they bring to the table that men do not?
This same observation applies to all "diversity" hiring. If one denies the differences among
groups, there can be no business justification for diversity – aside, that is, from Lefty
boycotts. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments Miro23 says: August 11,
2017 at 2:43 am GMT 400 Words @Jaakko Raipala
This contemporary Leftist strategy is pretty Lenin-like. It's not a top down strategy, it's
vanguardist takeover. These corporations that promote leftism don't usually start off that way,
they get taken over, and tech companies have proven extremely vulnerable to this.
Once a company hits some success and starts growing beyond the start-up of tech geeks they
hire lawyers, PR, marketers and leftism gets its foot in the door. Once the old techie core
cedes hiring and firing to some human resources department the company starts hiring more
leftists and minority puppets. The techies that brought the initial success are likely to be
politically inept and uninterested individualist personality types and eventually some clique
of leftists realizes that the old guard of the company is a bunch of pushovers when faced with
a tight-knit group of political plotters.
They may realize that profits die in the process of converting a successful company to the
leftist agenda but it doesn't matter to them - they might even see it as a benefit, after all,
the original success of the company was likely due to white men with insufficiently progressive
views so they get to both destroy something their enemies created and use the accumulated
resources for their agenda.
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to
break its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard.
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to
break its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard.
This did come out of the 19th Century with awful factory conditions, decadent upper classes
(pre WWI) and their unexpected collapse along with the whole Belle Époque in WW1.
There was plenty of fuel for socialism with 1) a fashionable new intellectual left 2)
political fluidity 3) politically bankrupt Ancien Regimes.
In my opinion fashionable radical vanguards saw the possibility of harnessing these forces
to take power – some of them acting idealistically – some not. The key point was
that Ancien Regimes were weakened by WW1, with a good example being Russia with its military
failures and its decadent and ineffectual Czarist government.
In these unusual circumstances, the self appointed Bolshevik Radical Vanguard could exploit
the disaffection of Russian soldiers in Petrograd and Lenin could unilaterally issued General
Order Nº1 as the self appointed head of the Council of Soldiers and Workingmen's Deputies
(ignoring the Provisional Government) with all military units ordered to remove their existing
officers and elect new ones. This was coupled with promises to stop the war and give all
peasant soldiers their own private farms, which predictably went down very well and wrecked
army discipline.
Francis also went on to say, "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists
and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the
elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came at the end of November 1917, they filled
the assembly hall with soldiers and rejected the result of the vote (Social Revolutionaries
20,893,743, Bolsheviks 9,023,963 out of 36,257,960 votes cast). The Bolsheviks declared that
Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established his dictatorship.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans did
in WW2. Read More Replies: @melanf
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans
did in WW2.
The Bolsheviks disgusting, but this statement ("on a scale far exceeding anything
the Germans did in WW2") is an obvious lie
http://polit.ru/article/2007/12/11/repressii/
" In fact, the number of prisoners for political reasons (for "counterrevolutionary crimes") in
the USSR in the period from 1921 to 1953, i.e. after 33 years was about 3.8 million people
during this period ( 1921 to 1954 ) has been convicted 3 777 380 people, including to capital
punishment – 642 980, to the contents in camps and prisons for a term of 25 years and
below – 2 369 220, into exile and expulsion – 765 180 people". Reply
Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments Jivilov says: August 11,
2017 at 3:04 am GMT Very good, although I wish people would stop using the ideologically
loaded term "gender" instead of "sex." Conservatives should use traditional language if
possible, especially when backed scientifically in this case by chromosomal evidence. Recall
Solzhenitsyn's observations on the totalitarian control of language to further their agenda.
Read More Agree: utu Replies: @Seamus
Padraig I agree. The term 'gender' is for Latin nouns, not living beings. Reply
Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments melanf says: August 11,
2017 at 4:57 am GMT 100 Words @Miro23
Once upon a time socialists dreamed that the proletariat would spontaneously rise up to break
its chains and overthrow the capitalists, then they got bored of waiting for that and
invented the radical vanguard to lead the proletariat into the revolution and then eventually
they realized that the proletariat is superfluous and they just need the vanguard.
This did come out of the 19th Century with awful factory conditions, decadent
upper classes (pre WWI) and their unexpected collapse along with the whole Belle Époque
in WW1.
There was plenty of fuel for socialism with 1) a fashionable new intellectual left 2)
political fluidity 3) politically bankrupt Ancien Regimes.
In my opinion fashionable radical vanguards saw the possibility of harnessing these forces
to take power - some of them acting idealistically - some not. The key point was that Ancien
Regimes were weakened by WW1, with a good example being Russia with its military failures and
its decadent and ineffectual Czarist government.
In these unusual circumstances, the self appointed Bolshevik Radical Vanguard could exploit
the disaffection of Russian soldiers in Petrograd and Lenin could unilaterally issued General
Order Nº1 as the self appointed head of the Council of Soldiers and Workingmen's Deputies
(ignoring the Provisional Government) with all military units ordered to remove their existing
officers and elect new ones. This was coupled with promises to stop the war and give all
peasant soldiers their own private farms, which predictably went down very well and wrecked
army discipline.
Source: "Russia from the American Embassy" by David Rowland Francis, U.S. ambassador to
Russia for 5 years from March 1916 to March 1921.
https://www.amazon.com/Russia-American-Embassy-April-1916-November/dp/B00B6ZE8NI/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
Francis also went on to say, "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists
and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the
elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came at the end of November 1917, they filled
the assembly hall with soldiers and rejected the result of the vote (Social Revolutionaries
20,893,743, Bolsheviks 9,023,963 out of 36,257,960 votes cast). The Bolsheviks declared that
Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established his dictatorship.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans did
in WW2.
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans
did in WW2.
The Bolsheviks disgusting, but this statement ("on a scale far exceeding anything the
Germans did in WW2″) is an obvious lie
" In fact, the number of prisoners for political reasons (for "counterrevolutionary crimes")
in the USSR in the period from 1921 to 1953, i.e. after 33 years was about 3.8 million people
during this period ( 1921 to 1954 ) has been convicted 3 777 380 people, including to capital
punishment – 642 980, to the contents in camps and prisons for a term of 25 years and
below – 2 369 220, into exile and expulsion – 765 180 people". Read More Replies:
@Sergey Krieger
Exactly. I am tired of all this BS. We lived free lives and I have never seen armed milicioner
/ police officer outside of movies. Be the state clearly cared about majority that is until the
top got all rotten. I'm hoping, right to vote is not sign of freedom... Isn,' t it obvious by
now? Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All
Comments dfordoom says: WebsiteAugust 11, 2017 at
5:09 am GMT@Sergey Krieger
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is artificial
led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more efficiently. In
short, it is not left.
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is
artificial led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more
efficiently. In short, it is not left.
Agreed. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread
Display All Comments JackOH says: August 11,
2017 at 8:29 am GMT 100 Words Anatoly, thanks for introducing some Russian writers. My
experience of reading outsiders who write about America is that they sometimes offer startling
viewpoints that are helpful to those of us "in-country" who are too close to the subject
matter.
BTW- RT used to have, or maybe still has, an American-born presenter-opinionizer, a
guy from Cleveland, Ohio. I think he's an ex-pat in Russia now, and he used to offer folksy,
sharply worded critiques of life in the States. I couldn't find his name, but he might be worth
looking up to see if he wants to contribute. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
Commenter Display All Comments Sergey Krieger says:
August 11, 2017 at
8:44 am GMT 100 Words @AP
So called contemporary left has nothing in common with old Marxism/ Leninism. It is
artificial led from the top movement to divide population to rule it and fleece more
efficiently
So in your world Bolsheviks didn't divide the population and loot the country? You
are the one that lives in echo chamber. Bolsheviks looted the country. It is the dumbest
comment I have ever heard. You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
Bolsheviks actually saved and built the country and current regime has been living from what
was built by Commies ever since. I just pointed that so called left is not left. But you asked
for this. You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites which
reveals who you are amptly. Read More Replies: @Seamus Padraig
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites which reveals who
you are amptly.
In case you haven't 'met' him already, AP is a Maidan-apologist from Western
Ukraine. He apparently has no problem with the oligarchs in Kiev who are currently looting his
country, and never tires of giving us all glowing reports of the fabulous economic growth that
is now occurring there (at least according to Ukrstat).
So you can take his commentary on Russia with a grain of salt. , @AP
Bolsheviks looted the country.
I was recently at a beautiful museum in the USA full of classic Russian art that
was looted by Bolsheviks and sold for cheap to foreigners.
You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
You had a country of mostly Europeans, poorer than all of the non-commie European
ones. You did however manage to sink some places upon whom you imposed your system, such as
Czechia or eastern Germany, down closer to your level. Good job.
I just pointed that so called left is not left.
So called left is not left, as 21st century is not early 20th.
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia
"And in America they persecute blacks." You are too predictable.
Russia was looted in the 1990s by...the flower of Soviet society, the Soviet elite and their
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Comments Sergey Krieger says:
August 11, 2017 at
8:49 am GMT 100 Words @melanf
The Bolsheviks didn't spare the proletariat. All dissent was crushed and whole social
"classes" were transported and mass murdered on a scale far exceeding anything the Germans
did in WW2.
The Bolsheviks disgusting, but this statement ("on a scale far exceeding anything
the Germans did in WW2") is an obvious lie
http://polit.ru/article/2007/12/11/repressii/
" In fact, the number of prisoners for political reasons (for "counterrevolutionary crimes") in
the USSR in the period from 1921 to 1953, i.e. after 33 years was about 3.8 million people
during this period ( 1921 to 1954 ) has been convicted 3 777 380 people, including to capital
punishment – 642 980, to the contents in camps and prisons for a term of 25 years and
below – 2 369 220, into exile and expulsion – 765 180 people". Exactly. I am tired
of all this BS. We lived free lives and I have never seen armed milicioner / police officer
outside of movies. Be the state clearly cared about majority that is until the top got all
rotten. I'm hoping, right to vote is not sign of freedom Isn,' t it obvious by now? Read More
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Comments Seamus Padraig says:
August 11, 2017 at
11:32 am GMT 100 Words @WorkingClass
The SJW's (Maoists) have been taught to hate everything white and/or male including the entire
history of white culture. Damore's supposed conservatism is not the issue. He was punished for
bringing it out of the closet. White men who will not bend their knee to Maoists are being
hunted in Maoist controlled environs. This article is well reasoned. But there is no reasoning
with zombies. Even if they are former friends or family. White men have the same options as
soldiers in the field. Fight, flee or fortify. Or surrender. Avert your eyes and shuffle to the
back of the bus.
Damore's supposed conservatism is not the issue. He was punished for bringing it out of
the closet.
Damore doesn't seem too conservative to me. If he were a conservative, he would be arguing
against Google's policies on the basis of cultural tradition. No, Damore is simply a scientist
arguing on the basis of science. Nothing wrong with that, but it isn't conservatism. Read More
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Comments Seamus Padraig says:
August 11, 2017 at
11:49 am GMT@Wally
Basically the Left is in denial of science ... DNA. Yes, it's funny, isn't it. Liberals loudly
proclaim their allegiance to evolution, but only to attack Christianity. But as soon as the
concept of evolution upsets their non-scientific theories of 'gender fluidity' and 'racial
equality', they close their eyes, cover their ears, and stomp their little feet. Read More
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Comments Seamus Padraig says:
August 11, 2017 at
11:51 am GMT@22pp22 I've
abandoned Google and gone over to Duckduckgo. They seem just as good. Yes, I've been using
DuckDuckGo.com for over four years now, and no regrets. No filter bubbles either! Read More
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Comments Seamus Padraig says:
August 11, 2017 at
11:57 am GMT@Jivilov Very
good, although I wish people would stop using the ideologically loaded term "gender" instead of
"sex." Conservatives should use traditional language if possible, especially when backed
scientifically in this case by chromosomal evidence. Recall Solzhenitsyn's observations on the
totalitarian control of language to further their agenda. I agree. The term 'gender' is for
Latin nouns, not living beings. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This
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August 11, 2017 at
12:01 pm GMT 100 Words @Sergey Krieger
You are the one that lives in echo chamber. Bolsheviks looted the country. It is the dumbest
comment I have ever heard. You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
Bolsheviks actually saved and built the country and current regime has been living from what
was built by Commies ever since. I just pointed that so called left is not left. But you asked
for this. You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites which
reveals who you are amptly.
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites which reveals
who you are amptly.
In case you haven't 'met' him already, AP is a Maidan-apologist from Western Ukraine. He
apparently has no problem with the oligarchs in Kiev who are currently looting his country, and
never tires of giving us all glowing reports of the fabulous economic growth that is now
occurring there (at least according to Ukrstat).
So you can take his commentary on Russia with a grain of salt. Read More Replies: @AP Thanks for
proving your ignorance yet again. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread
Hide Thread Display All Comments Hector_St_Clare says:
August 11, 2017 at
12:02 pm GMT 100 Words "He is a realist on Soviet achievements, crimes, and lost
opportunities, foregoing both the Soviet nostalgia of Prokhanov, the kneejerk Sovietophobia of
Prosvirnin, and the unhinged conspiracy theories of Galkovsky. He is a normal, traditional
Orthodox Christian, in contrast to the "atheism plus" of Prosvirnin, the mystical obscurantism
of Duginism, and the esoteric experiments of Krylov. He has time neither for the college
libertarianism of Sputnik i Pogrom hipster nationalism, nor the angry "confiscate and divide"
rhetoric of the National Bolsheviks"
Dammit. I miss the "confiscate and divide" stuff.
How are the NatBolos doing these days? Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
Commenter Display All Comments AP says: August 11, 2017 at
1:08 pm GMT 100 Words @Sergey Krieger
You are the one that lives in echo chamber. Bolsheviks looted the country. It is the dumbest
comment I have ever heard. You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
Bolsheviks actually saved and built the country and current regime has been living from what
was built by Commies ever since. I just pointed that so called left is not left. But you asked
for this. You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites which
reveals who you are amptly.
Bolsheviks looted the country.
I was recently at a beautiful museum in the USA full of classic Russian art that was looted
by Bolsheviks and sold for cheap to foreigners.
You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
You had a country of mostly Europeans, poorer than all of the non-commie European ones. You
did however manage to sink some places upon whom you imposed your system, such as Czechia or
eastern Germany, down closer to your level. Good job.
I just pointed that so called left is not left.
So called left is not left, as 21st century is not early 20th.
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia
"And in America they persecute blacks." You are too predictable.
Russia was looted in the 1990s by the flower of Soviet society, the Soviet elite and their
children. Read More Agree: Mr. Hack Replies: @Mr.
Hack Just curious, what museum in the US did you visit that included lots of Russian
classic art? Was it perhaps 'the Museum of Russian Art' in Minneapolis? , @Sergey
Krieger Even if it was true, having industry to build 100000 + tanks and other weapons was
far more important considering what happened. Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
Might have been looted by whites. Also, you cannot build the country by just selling some art.
You say USSR was poorer than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it costs
in the West to pay for everything Soviet people were having as a right? Free education all
level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here, free medicine and damn
good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation, guaranteed job and retirement
pay. You forget about peace of mind that came with all above mentioned. You know, good sleep
without chemistry and all. There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came.
However, they were as much real Communists as I am ballerina.anyway, not a pop from you about
this... , @Hector_St_Clare
East Germany was certainly not 'dragged down to Soviet level'. It had a higher GDP/capita
growth rate than the Federal Republic every decade between 1950 and 1989, was always much
richer than the soviet union and by 1989 was the 19th highest HDI country in the world. They
advanced from 40% of West Germany GDP in 1950 to 55-57% of West German GDP in 1989.
That said, yes the Soviets did massively strip the country of assets between 1945-1950, and
that probably did set it back for the entire course of its existence as a state, so its correct
to say they dragged it down somewhat. The way you present the situation is exaggerated and
misleading however. Central planning actually worked reasonably well in East Germany although
probably not as well as a mixed planning/market economy would have worked. , @utu"And in America they persecute blacks."
LOL, I vaguely remember this as an old joke. But it's true the rhetoric of some USSR orphans
and nostalgists here at unz.com sometimes resembles this joke. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc.
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1:09 pm GMT@Seamus
Padraig
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia by current elites which reveals who
you are amptly.
In case you haven't 'met' him already, AP is a Maidan-apologist from Western
Ukraine. He apparently has no problem with the oligarchs in Kiev who are currently looting his
country, and never tires of giving us all glowing reports of the fabulous economic growth that
is now occurring there (at least according to Ukrstat).
So you can take his commentary on Russia with a grain of salt. Thanks for proving your
ignorance yet again. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread
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2:46 pm GMT@AP
Bolsheviks looted the country.
I was recently at a beautiful museum in the USA full of classic Russian art that
was looted by Bolsheviks and sold for cheap to foreigners.
You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
You had a country of mostly Europeans, poorer than all of the non-commie European
ones. You did however manage to sink some places upon whom you imposed your system, such as
Czechia or eastern Germany, down closer to your level. Good job.
I just pointed that so called left is not left.
So called left is not left, as 21st century is not early 20th.
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia
"And in America they persecute blacks." You are too predictable.
Russia was looted in the 1990s by...the flower of Soviet society, the Soviet elite and their
children. Just curious, what museum in the US did you visit that included lots of Russian
classic art? Was it perhaps 'the Museum of Russian Art' in Minneapolis? Read More Replies:
@AP
Just curious, what museum in the US did you visit that included lots of Russian classic art?
Was it perhaps 'the Museum of Russian Art' in Minneapolis?
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August 11, 2017 at
5:00 pm GMT 200 Words @AP
Bolsheviks looted the country.
I was recently at a beautiful museum in the USA full of classic Russian art that
was looted by Bolsheviks and sold for cheap to foreigners.
You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
You had a country of mostly Europeans, poorer than all of the non-commie European
ones. You did however manage to sink some places upon whom you imposed your system, such as
Czechia or eastern Germany, down closer to your level. Good job.
I just pointed that so called left is not left.
So called left is not left, as 21st century is not early 20th.
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia
"And in America they persecute blacks." You are too predictable.
Russia was looted in the 1990s by...the flower of Soviet society, the Soviet elite and their
children. Even if it was true, having industry to build 100000 + tanks and other weapons was
far more important considering what happened. Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
Might have been looted by whites. Also, you cannot build the country by just selling some art.
You say USSR was poorer than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it costs
in the West to pay for everything Soviet people were having as a right? Free education all
level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here, free medicine and damn
good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation, guaranteed job and retirement
pay. You forget about peace of mind that came with all above mentioned. You know, good sleep
without chemistry and all. There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came.
However, they were as much real Communists as I am ballerina.anyway, not a pop from you about
this Read More Replies: @AP
You say USSR was poorer than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it
costs in the West to pay for everything Soviet people were having as a right?
I'd been in western Europe and visited the USSR in 1990. USSR was much poorer than
any western European country, the USA or Canada. It wasn't a third world country, but that's a
very low bar.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Materially speaking Soviet middle class lived liked poor Americans on
medicaid, with free public housing, free need-based tuition, etc. One difference - unlike
residents of American housing projects, Soviets could afford free vacations to sub-Western
resorts, I'll give you that. But then middle class Soviets drove worse (or no) cars, and had
worse TVs and radios then even poor Americans. There were some Soviet families even living in
communal apartments.
Obviously culturally it was a different story from poor Americans. But your argument is with
respect to material conditions. By that measure - in the end, performance of the USSR was
pathetic for a high IQ country of white people.
There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came. However, they were as much real
Communists as I am ballerina
Yeltsin who presided over the looting spree of the 1990s was elected as a full
member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in March 1981. As
for the looters - Berezovsky was head of a department in the Institute of Control Sciences of
the USSR Academy of Sciences. Khodorkovsky was deputy head of Komsomol (the Communist Youth
League) at his university, the D. Mendeleev University of Chemical Technology of Russia. Gaidar
was from a Soviet elite family and in the 1980s an editor of the CPSU ideological journal
Communist. Potanin, another one from an elite commie family, attended the faculty of the
International economic relations at Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO),
which groomed students for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Upon graduating MGIMO in 1983, he
followed in his father's footsteps and went to work for the FTO "Soyuzpromexport" with the
Ministry of Foreign trade of the Soviet Union. Etc. Etc.
Sure, none of these members of the Soviet elite, the top human products of the Soviet system
- were "real Communists." , @Anatoly
Karlin
Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of
Tsarist gold and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's understandable in the context of a civil war,
and basically irrelevant set against their other crimes, but it happened.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too
outside the Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological
technical subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Soviet healthcare was okay for basics, but extremely bad for any complicated ailment (if you
did not belong to the Soviet elites).
In practice, unemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious
worker in countries with reasonable labor regulations. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
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Comments AP says: August 11, 2017 at
5:33 pm GMT@Mr. Hack Just
curious, what museum in the US did you visit that included lots of Russian classic art? Was it
perhaps 'the Museum of Russian Art' in Minneapolis?
Just curious, what museum in the US did you visit that included lots of Russian classic
art? Was it perhaps 'the Museum of Russian Art' in Minneapolis?
https://www.hillwoodmuseum.org/russian-collection
Read More Replies: @Mr. Hack Looks
interesting. The one in Minneapolis is a 3 floor renovated church devoted to Russian art. Lots
of Soviet Realism on display and occasional films too. They even had an exhibition of
Aleksander Bulavitsky's art on display a couple of years ago, a local Ukrainian emigre that
I've mentioned to you before (his work can be seen in Kyiv too). Several years back they had an
impressive collection of religious art including icons and frescoes from as far back as the
14th century, many pieces from the northeast part of Russia. A philalately exhibit of Russian
stamps that I once saw there was quite impressive too. If you're in the area, I recommend that
you give it a visit. A nice gift shop too.
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5:52 pm GMT 400 Words @Sergey Krieger
Even if it was true, having industry to build 100000 + tanks and other weapons was far more
important considering what happened. Did you get receipts for those pieces of art? Might have
been looted by whites. Also, you cannot build the country by just selling some art. You say
USSR was poorer than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it costs in the
West to pay for everything Soviet people were having as a right? Free education all level and
better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here, free medicine and damn good at
that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation, guaranteed job and retirement pay. You
forget about peace of mind that came with all above mentioned. You know, good sleep without
chemistry and all. There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came. However, they
were as much real Communists as I am ballerina.anyway, not a pop from you about this...
You say USSR was poorer than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it
costs in the West to pay for everything Soviet people were having as a right?
I'd been in western Europe and visited the USSR in 1990. USSR was much poorer than any
western European country, the USA or Canada. It wasn't a third world country, but that's a very
low bar.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Materially speaking Soviet middle class lived liked poor Americans on medicaid, with
free public housing, free need-based tuition, etc. One difference – unlike residents of
American housing projects, Soviets could afford free vacations to sub-Western resorts, I'll
give you that. But then middle class Soviets drove worse (or no) cars, and had worse TVs and
radios then even poor Americans. There were some Soviet families even living in communal
apartments.
Obviously culturally it was a different story from poor Americans. But your argument is with
respect to material conditions. By that measure – in the end, performance of the USSR was
pathetic for a high IQ country of white people.
There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came. However, they were as much
real Communists as I am ballerina
Yeltsin who presided over the looting spree of the 1990s was elected as a full member of the
Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in March 1981. As for the looters
– Berezovsky was head of a department in the Institute of Control Sciences of the USSR
Academy of Sciences. Khodorkovsky was deputy head of Komsomol (the Communist Youth League) at
his university, the D. Mendeleev University of Chemical Technology of Russia. Gaidar was from a
Soviet elite family and in the 1980s an editor of the CPSU ideological journal Communist.
Potanin, another one from an elite commie family, attended the faculty of the International
economic relations at Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO), which groomed
students for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Upon graduating MGIMO in 1983, he followed in his
father's footsteps and went to work for the FTO "Soyuzpromexport" with the Ministry of Foreign
trade of the Soviet Union. Etc. Etc.
Sure, none of these members of the Soviet elite, the top human products of the Soviet system
– were "real Communists." Read More Agree: Mr. Hack , utu Replies: @Sergey
Krieger 1990 not the best time frankly. How is western middle class is doing now? Again,
you ignored my points and continued pressing own agenda. Soviet people basically were free,
provided with all things necessary for fullfilling, happy and protected life which cost them
nothing, while western middle class producing outword looks of prosperity was actually I'll
iving life of stress, uncertainty and unhappiness. Hence, how is western middle class doing
now? Up to nostrils in debt to mantain illusion of prosperity with no room for mistake. Many
are no longer middle class. 50 million in USA alone on food help. Drud and various psycho meds
in use to just get sort of temporary relief. What price one would put on having what we had? I
would say it is priceless. After 1985 fifth column took control of CPSU central commity and top
media. What was after 1986 hardly can be called Soviet Union , same as providing lines in
stores in 1991 is not representation of what we really had before government Gorbachov and his
inner cycle destabilized and destroyed my country. Without Gorbachov there would be no Yeltsin
who was nothing but opportunist of the worst kind. To be fair comparison should be made for
Brezhnev period which was the most prosperous time Russia ever seen and things were going in
right direction before unworthy people without abilities and merit took over the power. Reply
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August 11, 2017 at
6:00 pm GMT 100 Words @AP
Bolsheviks looted the country.
I was recently at a beautiful museum in the USA full of classic Russian art that
was looted by Bolsheviks and sold for cheap to foreigners.
You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
You had a country of mostly Europeans, poorer than all of the non-commie European
ones. You did however manage to sink some places upon whom you imposed your system, such as
Czechia or eastern Germany, down closer to your level. Good job.
I just pointed that so called left is not left.
So called left is not left, as 21st century is not early 20th.
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia
"And in America they persecute blacks." You are too predictable.
Russia was looted in the 1990s by...the flower of Soviet society, the Soviet elite and their
children. East Germany was certainly not 'dragged down to Soviet level'. It had a higher
GDP/capita growth rate than the Federal Republic every decade between 1950 and 1989, was always
much richer than the soviet union and by 1989 was the 19th highest HDI country in the world.
They advanced from 40% of West Germany GDP in 1950 to 55-57% of West German GDP in 1989.
That said, yes the Soviets did massively strip the country of assets between 1945-1950, and
that probably did set it back for the entire course of its existence as a state, so its correct
to say they dragged it down somewhat. The way you present the situation is exaggerated and
misleading however. Central planning actually worked reasonably well in East Germany although
probably not as well as a mixed planning/market economy would have worked. Read More Replies:
@German_reader
Living standards in East Germany in the 1980s were really pretty meh compared to the west
though. Most private households didn't even own a telephone, and you had to wait years to get
one of those crappy Trabant cars. Housing also wasn't great from what I've heard. And
that's just the material conditions, the political repression and the socially corrosive
effects of the state maintaining a vast network of informers obviously weren't conducive to
general wellbeing either.
It's true that quite a few East Germans later became somewhat nostalgic for the GDR era, given
how badly handled the transition was and the mass unemployment of the 1990s which blighted the
lives of millions of East Germans (somewhat similar in some ways to events in Russia, though
obviously the situation there was much worse and more traumatic). But one shouldn't have too
rosy a view of the GDR or other Eastern bloc states because of the manifest defects of today's
West. , @Anatoly Karlin
This doesn't sound right to me.
Unfortunately Angus Maddison doesn't have data for the separate Germanys, but East Germany
was at less than 40% of West Germany around 1990 according to the Federal Interior
Ministry.
Also as you yourself point out East Germany would have been more impacted by reparations to
the USSR. , @utu Life in
DDR in 1970s and 1980s was pretty decent. Perhaps the highest standard of living in the Soviet
Block. If people did not know that the West exist and that you can get still more goodies there
they would be very happy to be like East Germany.
The planned economy worked there pretty good. It took Germans to show it. They had problems
with energy supplies when USSR reduced export to Germany and had to start to use very
inefficient and very polluting brown coal.
Probably Czechoslovakia and Hungary were the next in terms of socialist economy success in
1970's. Poland was always very uneven and unequal country where plan economy did not work and
where private sector still existed with lots of corruption and criminal shenanigans that let
some people got rich also in the state apparatus. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
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August 11, 2017 at
6:30 pm GMT 200 Words @Hector_St_Clare
East Germany was certainly not 'dragged down to Soviet level'. It had a higher GDP/capita
growth rate than the Federal Republic every decade between 1950 and 1989, was always much
richer than the soviet union and by 1989 was the 19th highest HDI country in the world. They
advanced from 40% of West Germany GDP in 1950 to 55-57% of West German GDP in 1989.
That said, yes the Soviets did massively strip the country of assets between 1945-1950, and
that probably did set it back for the entire course of its existence as a state, so its correct
to say they dragged it down somewhat. The way you present the situation is exaggerated and
misleading however. Central planning actually worked reasonably well in East Germany although
probably not as well as a mixed planning/market economy would have worked. Living standards in
East Germany in the 1980s were really pretty meh compared to the west though. Most private
households didn't even own a telephone, and you had to wait years to get one of those crappy
Trabant cars. Housing also wasn't great from what I've heard. And that's just the
material conditions, the political repression and the socially corrosive effects of the state
maintaining a vast network of informers obviously weren't conducive to general wellbeing
either.
It's true that quite a few East Germans later became somewhat nostalgic for the GDR era, given
how badly handled the transition was and the mass unemployment of the 1990s which blighted the
lives of millions of East Germans (somewhat similar in some ways to events in Russia, though
obviously the situation there was much worse and more traumatic). But one shouldn't have too
rosy a view of the GDR or other Eastern bloc states because of the manifest defects of today's
West. Read More Replies: @Darin East
German Stasi spying on 1/3 of population was German efficiency run amok, objectively useless
waste or resources. It made no difference at all for the survival of the regime.
In Czechoslovakia, next door country with comparable size population, the secret police watched
about 60,000 people (i.e. VIP's and active dissidents), and it lasted about week longer than
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6:36 pm GMT 100 Words @Hector_St_Clare
East Germany was certainly not 'dragged down to Soviet level'. It had a higher GDP/capita
growth rate than the Federal Republic every decade between 1950 and 1989, was always much
richer than the soviet union and by 1989 was the 19th highest HDI country in the world. They
advanced from 40% of West Germany GDP in 1950 to 55-57% of West German GDP in 1989.
That said, yes the Soviets did massively strip the country of assets between 1945-1950, and
that probably did set it back for the entire course of its existence as a state, so its correct
to say they dragged it down somewhat. The way you present the situation is exaggerated and
misleading however. Central planning actually worked reasonably well in East Germany although
probably not as well as a mixed planning/market economy would have worked. This doesn't sound
right to me.
Unfortunately Angus Maddison doesn't have data for the separate Germanys, but East Germany
was at less than 40% of West Germany around 1990 according to the Federal Interior
Ministry.
Also as you yourself point out East Germany would have been more impacted by reparations to
the USSR. Read More Replies: @Hector_St_Clare
Anatoly,
The "55-57% of west german GDP/capita by 1989" numbers I'm using (which are the also the
ones used by the Wikipedia on the GDR) come from the former East German statistician Gerhard
Heske in a 2009 study. The actual study is in German so I can't read it (maybe German Reader
might be interested), but his numbers have been cited by a bunch of other papers I found which
were quite critical of the GDR but didn't really take issue with his numbers. The reason people
disagree about the size of the GDR economy in 1989 is, I think, because they weren't a market
economy and so there was no way of assigning market values to the products they produced, other
than by making 'quality adjustments' which are going to somewhat of a judgment call. Heske
claims his methodology uses quality adjustments that are fairly standard, though.
Your series also starts in 1991 rather than 1989. It's worth pointing out that this fairly
balanced treatment of German reunification by a Polish author both cites Heske's numbers for
the 1989 GDP and also claims that in 1990 the East German economy was hit by severe recession
as a result of excessively fast free market reforms and collapse of the central planning
mechanism, and that GDP shrank "by at least 20% compared to the previous year." Of course an
assessment of the East German economy in 1991 will look worse than it did in 1989, so that
accounts for part though not all of the discrepancy.
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WebsiteAugust 11, 2017 at
6:50 pm GMT 200 Words @Sergey Krieger
Even if it was true, having industry to build 100000 + tanks and other weapons was far more
important considering what happened. Did you get receipts for those pieces of art? Might have
been looted by whites. Also, you cannot build the country by just selling some art. You say
USSR was poorer than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it costs in the
West to pay for everything Soviet people were having as a right? Free education all level and
better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here, free medicine and damn good at
that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation, guaranteed job and retirement pay. You
forget about peace of mind that came with all above mentioned. You know, good sleep without
chemistry and all. There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came. However, they
were as much real Communists as I am ballerina.anyway, not a pop from you about this...
Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold
and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's understandable in the context of a civil war,
and basically irrelevant set against their other crimes, but it happened.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too outside the
Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological technical
subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better. The shares
of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Soviet healthcare was okay for basics, but extremely bad for any complicated ailment (if you
did not belong to the Soviet elites).
In practice, unemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious
worker in countries with reasonable labor regulations. Read More Replies: @iffenunemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious worker in
countries with reasonable labor regulations.
The white working class in the US did not become incompetent and un-conscientious in one
generation. Employment at less than a living wage is not "employment." , @Andrei
Martyanov
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold and
cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Last time I was in Sate Hermitage (among other places) I didn't notice any signs
of Bolsheviks "running out" of Tsarist "cultural (art) reserves". If my Alzheimer's doesn't
fail me--last time I checked Hermitage can give Louvre (not to speak of Prado and other lesser
galleries and museums) a run for its money. How could this be? , @AP
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold and
cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Looting one's own country's cultural treasures to finance a violent overthrow.
Sounds familiar. I suspect that if some of these Commie apologists had been born as Sunni Arabs
rather than Russians, they would be defending ISIS. , @Andrei
Martyanov
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too outside the
Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological technical
subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
Want to try some Kholmogorov's Math And The Beginning Of Analysis for the 10th
Grade? Here is the 9th Grade Algebra (Geometry does the same but in purely geometric framework)
with basic trigonometric identities, as an example. Do you need me to present to you any US
math textbook for 9th grade?
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Yep, neither Korolyov, nor others were awarded Nobel Prize (of course, Krush is to
blame) bit when one looks at an actual fundamental and applied science Soviet contribution, one
has to really start thinking. Somehow Russians produce a lot of state of the art technology
without getting all those awards. , @utuThe
Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold and
cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Could you recommend a reading material on the subject? Thanks. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc.
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7:24 pm GMT 100 Words @AP
Just curious, what museum in the US did you visit that included lots of Russian classic art?
Was it perhaps 'the Museum of Russian Art' in Minneapolis?
https://www.hillwoodmuseum.org/russian-collection Looks interesting. The one in
Minneapolis is a 3 floor renovated church devoted to Russian art. Lots of Soviet Realism on
display and occasional films too. They even had an exhibition of Aleksander Bulavitsky's art on
display a couple of years ago, a local Ukrainian emigre that I've mentioned to you before (his
work can be seen in Kyiv too). Several years back they had an impressive collection of
religious art including icons and frescoes from as far back as the 14th century, many pieces
from the northeast part of Russia. A philalately exhibit of Russian stamps that I once saw
there was quite impressive too. If you're in the area, I recommend that you give it a visit. A
nice gift shop too.
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says: August 11, 2017 at
7:57 pm GMT@Greg Bacon
This type of diversity politics is stupidity to the Nth degree, offering up us white guys as
sacrificial lambs for any and all insults, crimes and sins of the last 400 years, real or
not.
It's a shrewd trick by the ones in the USA who really control our nation and I don't mean
Trump or Congress or the CIA.
It's that ethnic group that controls the FED, the US Treasury, those TBTF banks we get to
bail out every 10 years or so, the MSM, where they keep agitating for endless wars that do
nothing for America, but do protect Apartheid Israel from a reality check.
They also control Hollywood, pumping out brain-numbing slop (mostly) filled with over-the-top
violence, sex and nudity and most of the music business, letting artists--mostly rap--sing
indulgent songs about violence, sex, nudity and drugs.
They also have Congress begging to do anything for their Master, while we get told to PO when
we ask for help.
And they control the two biggest Internet outlets, Google and FAKEBOOK, both of whom are into
being self-appointed cops protecting us feeble ones from allegedly fake stories, but actually
shutting down stories that don't goose step to the glorious future they envision, which doesn't
contain us white guys.
After nearly 16 years of non-stop war, tens of thousands of dead American troops, hundreds
of thousands horribly wounded, a monstrous debt and a falling apart infrastructure with good
paying jobs disappearing, Americans are rightly PO and want change, but instead outfits like
GOOGLE are directing that anger elsewhere and protecting the guilty. Agreed. Here's a place
where the original author was wrong. The class struggle isn't over. Income inequality is bigger
than it's ever been. Identity politics are a misdirection used by elites like Hitlery to divide
us so we don't realize who the _real_ enemy is. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More...
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2017 at 7:57 pm GMT@Anatoly
Karlin
Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of
Tsarist gold and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's understandable in the context of a civil war,
and basically irrelevant set against their other crimes, but it happened.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too
outside the Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological
technical subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Soviet healthcare was okay for basics, but extremely bad for any complicated ailment (if you
did not belong to the Soviet elites).
In practice, unemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious
worker in countries with reasonable labor regulations. unemployment is not an issue for any
minimally competent and conscientious worker in countries with reasonable labor
regulations.
The white working class in the US did not become incompetent and un-conscientious in one
generation. Employment at less than a living wage is not "employment." Read More Replies:
@Andrei
Martyanov
Employment at less than a living wage is not "employment."
True, this "living wage" issue has become now America's chronic illness. Once one
begins to look at the real estate dynamics, even for a good earners living in such places as
Seattle, Portland (not to speak of L.A. or SF) becomes simply not affordable, forget buying
anything decent. Hell, many rents are higher than actual mortgages, however insane they already
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WebsiteAugust 11, 2017 at
8:07 pm GMT 100 Words @Anatoly Karlin
Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of
Tsarist gold and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's understandable in the context of a civil war,
and basically irrelevant set against their other crimes, but it happened.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too
outside the Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological
technical subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Soviet healthcare was okay for basics, but extremely bad for any complicated ailment (if you
did not belong to the Soviet elites).
In practice, unemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious
worker in countries with reasonable labor regulations.
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold
and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Last time I was in Sate Hermitage (among other places) I didn't notice any signs of
Bolsheviks "running out" of Tsarist "cultural (art) reserves". If my Alzheimer's doesn't fail
me–last time I checked Hermitage can give Louvre (not to speak of Prado and other lesser
galleries and museums) a run for its money. How could this be? Read More Replies: @AP
Last time I was in Sate Hermitage (among other places) I didn't notice any signs of
Bolsheviks "running out" of Tsarist "cultural (art) reserves".
Yes, they did not run out. But the looting was massive, even within the Hermitage.
The Soviet sale of Hermitage paintings in 1930 and 1931 resulted in the departure of some of
the most valuable paintings from the collection of the State Hermitage Museum in Leningrad to
Western museums. Several of the paintings had been in the Hermitage Collection since its
creation by Empress Catherine the Great. About 250 paintings were sold, including masterpieces
by Jan van Eyck, Titian, Rembrandt, Rubens, Raphael, and other important artists. Andrew Mellon
donated the twenty-one paintings he purchased from the Hermitage to the United States
government in 1937, which became the nucleus of the National Gallery of Art in Washington,
D.C.
Otherwise -
Apparently Russian treasures could be bought in American department stores in the 1930s:
https://www.hillwoodmuseum.org/russian-collection
From the 1920s, the Soviet Union had been selling off many of the art treasures it had
confiscated from the church, the imperial family, and the aristocracy in an effort to fund the
new government's industrialization plan. American businessman Armand Hammer and his brother
Victor acquired enormous numbers of these Russian treasures and, in the early 1930s, began to
sell them in American department stores and later in their New York gallery. Reply
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WebsiteAugust 11, 2017 at
8:18 pm GMT 100 Words @iffenunemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious worker in
countries with reasonable labor regulations.
The white working class in the US did not become incompetent and un-conscientious in one
generation. Employment at less than a living wage is not "employment."
Employment at less than a living wage is not "employment."
True, this "living wage" issue has become now America's chronic illness. Once one begins to
look at the real estate dynamics, even for a good earners living in such places as Seattle,
Portland (not to speak of L.A. or SF) becomes simply not affordable, forget buying anything
decent. Hell, many rents are higher than actual mortgages, however insane they already are.
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8:44 pm GMT 100 Words @Anatoly
Karlin
Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of
Tsarist gold and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's understandable in the context of a civil war,
and basically irrelevant set against their other crimes, but it happened.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too
outside the Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological
technical subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Soviet healthcare was okay for basics, but extremely bad for any complicated ailment (if you
did not belong to the Soviet elites).
In practice, unemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious
worker in countries with reasonable labor regulations.
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold
and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Looting one's own country's cultural treasures to finance a violent overthrow. Sounds
familiar. I suspect that if some of these Commie apologists had been born as Sunni Arabs rather
than Russians, they would be defending ISIS. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
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8:54 pm GMT 200 Words @Andrei
Martyanov
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold and
cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Last time I was in Sate Hermitage (among other places) I didn't notice any signs
of Bolsheviks "running out" of Tsarist "cultural (art) reserves". If my Alzheimer's doesn't
fail me--last time I checked Hermitage can give Louvre (not to speak of Prado and other lesser
galleries and museums) a run for its money. How could this be?
Last time I was in Sate Hermitage (among other places) I didn't notice any signs of
Bolsheviks "running out" of Tsarist "cultural (art) reserves".
Yes, they did not run out. But the looting was massive, even within the Hermitage.
The Soviet sale of Hermitage paintings in 1930 and 1931 resulted in the departure of some of
the most valuable paintings from the collection of the State Hermitage Museum in Leningrad to
Western museums. Several of the paintings had been in the Hermitage Collection since its
creation by Empress Catherine the Great. About 250 paintings were sold, including masterpieces
by Jan van Eyck, Titian, Rembrandt, Rubens, Raphael, and other important artists. Andrew Mellon
donated the twenty-one paintings he purchased from the Hermitage to the United States
government in 1937, which became the nucleus of the National Gallery of Art in Washington,
D.C.
Otherwise –
Apparently Russian treasures could be bought in American department stores in the 1930s:
From the 1920s, the Soviet Union had been selling off many of the art treasures it had
confiscated from the church, the imperial family, and the aristocracy in an effort to fund the
new government's industrialization plan. American businessman Armand Hammer and his brother
Victor acquired enormous numbers of these Russian treasures and, in the early 1930s, began to
sell them in American department stores and later in their New York gallery. Read More Replies:
@Andrei
Martyanov
Yes, they did not run out
But wasn't it the point? Listen, I get it--you have some accounts to settle with
Soviet Union, hey fine with me, but please do not try to convince me about all ills and good
which USSR was in 1960s through 1980s--I lived there and I experienced a lot of it on very many
levels. Including some about which I am still reluctant to talk much about. I do not treat
seriously most of Russian "nationalist" so called "thinkers"--most of them still don't
understand why people such as Prosvirnin or said Kholmogorov have very bleak political
prospects in Russia. The reason being for them not knowing or realistically experiencing the
Soviet period. Said Kholmogorov, despite being born in 1975, missed, as an adult, realities of
Soviet period. Russia was, is and will remain this very "left"--not in LGBTQXYZ "western"
meaning--nation and there are reasons for that, which are beyond the grasp of people who do not
understand nor can feel continuity (preemstvennost') of the Russian history.Alexandr
Zinovyev--a real thinker of the scale which dwarfs any Kholmogorovs or Solzhentsyns correctly
assessed inevitable, both external and internal, Sovietization of Russia, on a completely new
foundation. In fact, it is happening as I type this--by 2017 by different data from 70 to 75%
of Russia's strategic industries were returned under the control of Russian State. Overwhelming
majority of Russian people, including, what is most inspiring, many youngsters are loving it.
Just one example. , @Darin This
(selling of art) is no crime at all, but reasonable and praiseworthy business decision. USSR in
the 1930's certainly needed tractors, locomotives, machine tools and industrial equipment more
than Rembrandts. If the Tsars sold the art and jewels and invested into industrialization of
the country, there would be no need for revolution.
If you want to talk about "heritage", you might have point about icons, but what makes
Rembrandt and Titian "Russian heritage"? If works of art belong to country where they were
created, then all Rembrandts of the world shall be returned to Netherlands. If works of art
belong to all mankind, what difference it makes whether Rembrandt painting is in museum in
Petersburg or Washington? Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide
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8:56 pm GMT 200 Words @Anatoly
Karlin
Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of
Tsarist gold and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's understandable in the context of a civil war,
and basically irrelevant set against their other crimes, but it happened.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too
outside the Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological
technical subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Soviet healthcare was okay for basics, but extremely bad for any complicated ailment (if you
did not belong to the Soviet elites).
In practice, unemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious
worker in countries with reasonable labor regulations.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too outside the
Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological technical
subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
Want to try some Kholmogorov's Math And The Beginning Of Analysis for the 10th Grade? Here
is the 9th Grade Algebra (Geometry does the same but in purely geometric framework) with basic
trigonometric identities, as an example. Do you need me to present to you any US math textbook
for 9th grade?
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Yep, neither Korolyov, nor others were awarded Nobel Prize (of course, Krush is to blame)
bit when one looks at an actual fundamental and applied science Soviet contribution, one has to
really start thinking. Somehow Russians produce a lot of state of the art technology without
getting all those awards. Read More Replies: @Anatoly KarlinWe've been
through this . :)
The more – indeed, only – relevant question: What percentage of schoolchildren
could do the problems in it? (relative to counterparts in the West)
It's not like there aren't any programs for especially gifted US schoolchildren.
Somehow Russians produce a lot of state of the art technology without getting all those
awards.
Not that much, and their share is declining:
https://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2016/country/all
Wedged between Taiwan and Belgium. Pretty sad.
Russia is legitimately strong in a few specific spheres like nuclear power and military
technology. In many other spheres (e.g. pretty much the entirety of biotech) it is a minnow.
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WebsiteAugust 11, 2017 at
9:12 pm GMT 200 Words @AP
Last time I was in Sate Hermitage (among other places) I didn't notice any signs of
Bolsheviks "running out" of Tsarist "cultural (art) reserves".
Yes, they did not run out. But the looting was massive, even within the Hermitage.
The Soviet sale of Hermitage paintings in 1930 and 1931 resulted in the departure of some of
the most valuable paintings from the collection of the State Hermitage Museum in Leningrad to
Western museums. Several of the paintings had been in the Hermitage Collection since its
creation by Empress Catherine the Great. About 250 paintings were sold, including masterpieces
by Jan van Eyck, Titian, Rembrandt, Rubens, Raphael, and other important artists. Andrew Mellon
donated the twenty-one paintings he purchased from the Hermitage to the United States
government in 1937, which became the nucleus of the National Gallery of Art in Washington,
D.C.
Otherwise -
Apparently Russian treasures could be bought in American department stores in the 1930s:
https://www.hillwoodmuseum.org/russian-collection
From the 1920s, the Soviet Union had been selling off many of the art treasures it had
confiscated from the church, the imperial family, and the aristocracy in an effort to fund the
new government's industrialization plan. American businessman Armand Hammer and his brother
Victor acquired enormous numbers of these Russian treasures and, in the early 1930s, began to
sell them in American department stores and later in their New York gallery.
Yes, they did not run out
But wasn't it the point? Listen, I get it–you have some accounts to settle with Soviet
Union, hey fine with me, but please do not try to convince me about all ills and good which
USSR was in 1960s through 1980s–I lived there and I experienced a lot of it on very many
levels. Including some about which I am still reluctant to talk much about. I do not treat
seriously most of Russian "nationalist" so called "thinkers"–most of them still don't
understand why people such as Prosvirnin or said Kholmogorov have very bleak political
prospects in Russia. The reason being for them not knowing or realistically experiencing the
Soviet period. Said Kholmogorov, despite being born in 1975, missed, as an adult, realities of
Soviet period. Russia was, is and will remain this very "left"–not in LGBTQXYZ "western"
meaning–nation and there are reasons for that, which are beyond the grasp of people who
do not understand nor can feel continuity (preemstvennost') of the Russian history.Alexandr
Zinovyev–a real thinker of the scale which dwarfs any Kholmogorovs or Solzhentsyns
correctly assessed inevitable, both external and internal, Sovietization of Russia, on a
completely new foundation. In fact, it is happening as I type this–by 2017 by different
data from 70 to 75% of Russia's strategic industries were returned under the control of Russian
State. Overwhelming majority of Russian people, including, what is most inspiring, many
youngsters are loving it. Just one example. Read More Replies: @iffenwhat
is most inspiring
So you are a socialist at heart?
(Not in the bad commie sense.) , @Anonymous So
how much of a hold did Jews have over the Soviet Union? There's a lot of propaganda on the Net
pushing the story that they were running the show entirely. Where should I look to find the
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August 11, 2017 at
9:12 pm GMT 300 Words @Anatoly Karlin
This doesn't sound right to me.
Unfortunately Angus Maddison doesn't have data for the separate Germanys, but East Germany
was at less than 40% of West Germany around 1990 according to the Federal Interior
Ministry.
Also as you yourself point out East Germany would have been more impacted by reparations to
the USSR. Anatoly,
The "55-57% of west german GDP/capita by 1989″ numbers I'm using (which are the also
the ones used by the Wikipedia on the GDR) come from the former East German statistician
Gerhard Heske in a 2009 study. The actual study is in German so I can't read it (maybe German
Reader might be interested), but his numbers have been cited by a bunch of other papers I found
which were quite critical of the GDR but didn't really take issue with his numbers. The reason
people disagree about the size of the GDR economy in 1989 is, I think, because they weren't a
market economy and so there was no way of assigning market values to the products they
produced, other than by making 'quality adjustments' which are going to somewhat of a judgment
call. Heske claims his methodology uses quality adjustments that are fairly standard,
though.
Your series also starts in 1991 rather than 1989. It's worth pointing out that this fairly
balanced treatment of German reunification by a Polish author both cites Heske's numbers for
the 1989 GDP and also claims that in 1990 the East German economy was hit by severe recession
as a result of excessively fast free market reforms and collapse of the central planning
mechanism, and that GDP shrank "by at least 20% compared to the previous year." Of course an
assessment of the East German economy in 1991 will look worse than it did in 1989, so that
accounts for part though not all of the discrepancy.
https://www.osw.waw.pl/sites/default/files/prace_35_en_0.pdf
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August 11, 2017 at
9:16 pm GMT That being said, "(slightly) faster GDP growth rate than West Germany" isn't as
impressive as it sounds since they were starting from a much lower base: an economy 40% as rich
per capita as West Germany, with an industrial base and educated/skilled workforce, *should* be
growing much faster, not slightly faster. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
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WebsiteAugust 11, 2017 at
9:50 pm GMT 100 Words @Andrei
Martyanov
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too outside the
Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological technical
subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
Want to try some Kholmogorov's Math And The Beginning Of Analysis for the 10th
Grade? Here is the 9th Grade Algebra (Geometry does the same but in purely geometric framework)
with basic trigonometric identities, as an example. Do you need me to present to you any US
math textbook for 9th grade?
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Yep, neither Korolyov, nor others were awarded Nobel Prize (of course, Krush is to
blame) bit when one looks at an actual fundamental and applied science Soviet contribution, one
has to really start thinking. Somehow Russians produce a lot of state of the art technology
without getting all those awards. We've been
through this .
The more – indeed, only – relevant question: What percentage of schoolchildren
could do the problems in it? (relative to counterparts in the West)
It's not like there aren't any programs for especially gifted US schoolchildren.
Somehow Russians produce a lot of state of the art technology without getting all those
awards.
Russia is legitimately strong in a few specific spheres like nuclear power and military
technology. In many other spheres (e.g. pretty much the entirety of biotech) it is a minnow.
Read More Replies: @inertial
Skanavi was used in elite math schools but those problems are far from Skanavi. These are
precisely the kind of problems we were doing in my non-elite prole school. I remember them.
What percentage of schoolchildren could solve problems like that? Great majority, after some
training. They are not that hard. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread
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2017 at 10:33 pm GMT@Andrei
Martyanov
Yes, they did not run out
But wasn't it the point? Listen, I get it--you have some accounts to settle with
Soviet Union, hey fine with me, but please do not try to convince me about all ills and good
which USSR was in 1960s through 1980s--I lived there and I experienced a lot of it on very many
levels. Including some about which I am still reluctant to talk much about. I do not treat
seriously most of Russian "nationalist" so called "thinkers"--most of them still don't
understand why people such as Prosvirnin or said Kholmogorov have very bleak political
prospects in Russia. The reason being for them not knowing or realistically experiencing the
Soviet period. Said Kholmogorov, despite being born in 1975, missed, as an adult, realities of
Soviet period. Russia was, is and will remain this very "left"--not in LGBTQXYZ "western"
meaning--nation and there are reasons for that, which are beyond the grasp of people who do not
understand nor can feel continuity (preemstvennost') of the Russian history.Alexandr
Zinovyev--a real thinker of the scale which dwarfs any Kholmogorovs or Solzhentsyns correctly
assessed inevitable, both external and internal, Sovietization of Russia, on a completely new
foundation. In fact, it is happening as I type this--by 2017 by different data from 70 to 75%
of Russia's strategic industries were returned under the control of Russian State. Overwhelming
majority of Russian people, including, what is most inspiring, many youngsters are loving it.
Just one example. what is most inspiring
No, I am economic realist, which is more mixed economy vector but for Russia
specifically--it could be called as "socialist". Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
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10:57 pm GMT@Anatoly Karlin
Did you get receipts for those pieces of art?
The Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of
Tsarist gold and cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's understandable in the context of a civil war,
and basically irrelevant set against their other crimes, but it happened.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Free education throughout school is standard in the West (and university too
outside the Anglosphere). It wasn't worse than in the West, at least in the non-ideological
technical subjects, but you'd have a hard case to make in arguing it was significantly better.
The shares of Nobel, Fields, etc. winners paint a different story.
Soviet healthcare was okay for basics, but extremely bad for any complicated ailment (if you
did not belong to the Soviet elites).
In practice, unemployment is not an issue for any minimally competent and conscientious
worker in countries with reasonable labor regulations. The Bolsheviks financed a huge part
of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold and cultural (art) reserves until they
ran out around 1922.
Could you recommend a reading material on the subject? Thanks. Read More Replies: @German_reader
There's a book by McMeekin about this subject:
(no idea how good it is, haven't read it myself, and McMeekin seems to be somewhat
controversial). , @Darin Sean
McMeekin: History's Greatest Heist: The Looting of Russia by the Bolsheviks
https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article/116/1/246/43921/Sean-McMeekin-History-s-Greatest-Heist-The-Looting
, @Anatoly Karlin
Yes, I was going to mention Sean McMeekin as well.
Apart from the book which two people here have already referenced, he recently published a
history of the Russian revolution which incorporates his research on the art looting. Reply
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10:58 pm GMT@iffenwhat
is most inspiring
So you are a socialist at heart?
(Not in the bad commie sense.)
So you are a socialist at heart?
No, I am economic realist, which is more mixed economy vector but for Russia
specifically–it could be called as "socialist". Read More Agree: Sergey Krieger Reply
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LOL, sure–when Taiwan or Belgium will have a viable space programs (the list of
cutting edge technologies which goes into this is colossal, not to mention educational and
design schools) or will be able to produce something remotely comparable to MS-21 or SU-57,
then we may talk. FYI, I work in aerospace industry so, let's put it this way–I never
heard superlatives about Belgian or Taiwanese Aerospace . The "other" one? A lot. Read More
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11:08 pm GMT 100 Words @Hector_St_Clare
East Germany was certainly not 'dragged down to Soviet level'. It had a higher GDP/capita
growth rate than the Federal Republic every decade between 1950 and 1989, was always much
richer than the soviet union and by 1989 was the 19th highest HDI country in the world. They
advanced from 40% of West Germany GDP in 1950 to 55-57% of West German GDP in 1989.
That said, yes the Soviets did massively strip the country of assets between 1945-1950, and
that probably did set it back for the entire course of its existence as a state, so its correct
to say they dragged it down somewhat. The way you present the situation is exaggerated and
misleading however. Central planning actually worked reasonably well in East Germany although
probably not as well as a mixed planning/market economy would have worked. Life in DDR in 1970s
and 1980s was pretty decent. Perhaps the highest standard of living in the Soviet Block. If
people did not know that the West exist and that you can get still more goodies there they
would be very happy to be like East Germany.
The planned economy worked there pretty good. It took Germans to show it. They had problems
with energy supplies when USSR reduced export to Germany and had to start to use very
inefficient and very polluting brown coal.
Probably Czechoslovakia and Hungary were the next in terms of socialist economy success in
1970′s. Poland was always very uneven and unequal country where plan economy did not work
and where private sector still existed with lots of corruption and criminal shenanigans that
let some people got rich also in the state apparatus. Read More Replies: @Hector_St_Clare
Czechoslovakia is interesting: both halves made the transition to modern capitalism without all
that much increase in inequality. Czechoslovakia was the second least economically unequal
country in the world before 1989 (the GDR was lowest) and the Czech Republic is second or third
least unequal country today.
Hungary was doing pretty well from 1968-1989 based on the economic growth data I've been
able to find (although less well than their great years from roughly 2000-2007 or so). The
graph I found barely showed any inflection around 1989 at all. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc.
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2017 at 11:08 pm GMT 100 Words @AP
Last time I was in Sate Hermitage (among other places) I didn't notice any signs of
Bolsheviks "running out" of Tsarist "cultural (art) reserves".
Yes, they did not run out. But the looting was massive, even within the Hermitage.
The Soviet sale of Hermitage paintings in 1930 and 1931 resulted in the departure of some of
the most valuable paintings from the collection of the State Hermitage Museum in Leningrad to
Western museums. Several of the paintings had been in the Hermitage Collection since its
creation by Empress Catherine the Great. About 250 paintings were sold, including masterpieces
by Jan van Eyck, Titian, Rembrandt, Rubens, Raphael, and other important artists. Andrew Mellon
donated the twenty-one paintings he purchased from the Hermitage to the United States
government in 1937, which became the nucleus of the National Gallery of Art in Washington,
D.C.
Otherwise -
Apparently Russian treasures could be bought in American department stores in the 1930s:
https://www.hillwoodmuseum.org/russian-collection
From the 1920s, the Soviet Union had been selling off many of the art treasures it had
confiscated from the church, the imperial family, and the aristocracy in an effort to fund the
new government's industrialization plan. American businessman Armand Hammer and his brother
Victor acquired enormous numbers of these Russian treasures and, in the early 1930s, began to
sell them in American department stores and later in their New York gallery. This (selling of
art) is no crime at all, but reasonable and praiseworthy business decision. USSR in the
1930′s certainly needed tractors, locomotives, machine tools and industrial equipment
more than Rembrandts. If the Tsars sold the art and jewels and invested into industrialization
of the country, there would be no need for revolution.
If you want to talk about "heritage", you might have point about icons, but what makes
Rembrandt and Titian "Russian heritage"? If works of art belong to country where they were
created, then all Rembrandts of the world shall be returned to Netherlands. If works of art
belong to all mankind, what difference it makes whether Rembrandt painting is in museum in
Petersburg or Washington? Read More Replies: @DNC A country
should be able to manufacture trains and tractors without the need to finance them through
sales of priceless works of art. Only a completely bankrupt ideology would consider peddling
Rembrandt for tractor parts as "reasonable and praiseworthy" Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More...
This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments utu says: August 11, 2017 at
11:16 pm GMT@AP
Bolsheviks looted the country.
I was recently at a beautiful museum in the USA full of classic Russian art that
was looted by Bolsheviks and sold for cheap to foreigners.
You cannot have what Soviet people used to have in looted country .
You had a country of mostly Europeans, poorer than all of the non-commie European
ones. You did however manage to sink some places upon whom you imposed your system, such as
Czechia or eastern Germany, down closer to your level. Good job.
I just pointed that so called left is not left.
So called left is not left, as 21st century is not early 20th.
You do not even mention great theft and looting of Russia
"And in America they persecute blacks." You are too predictable.
Russia was looted in the 1990s by...the flower of Soviet society, the Soviet elite and their
children. "And in America they persecute blacks."
LOL, I vaguely remember this as an old joke. But it's true the rhetoric of some USSR orphans
and nostalgists here at unz.com sometimes resembles this joke. Read More Replies: @Andrei
Martyanov
But it's true the rhetoric of some USSR orphans
You have no idea what meetings in support of Angela Davis were, LOL! ;-) Reply
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WebsiteAugust 11, 2017 at
11:26 pm GMT@utu"And in
America they persecute blacks."
LOL, I vaguely remember this as an old joke. But it's true the rhetoric of some USSR orphans
and nostalgists here at unz.com sometimes resembles this joke.
But it's true the rhetoric of some USSR orphans
You have no idea what meetings in support of Angela Davis were, LOL! Read More Replies:
@iffen I don't
get your point.
She, and others were American commies that were used by the Soviets. Whether they were okay
with this or ignorant of it is a factual matter than lends itself to investigation. Reply
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2017 at 11:28 pm GMT 100 Words @German_reader
Living standards in East Germany in the 1980s were really pretty meh compared to the west
though. Most private households didn't even own a telephone, and you had to wait years to get
one of those crappy Trabant cars. Housing also wasn't great from what I've heard. And
that's just the material conditions, the political repression and the socially corrosive
effects of the state maintaining a vast network of informers obviously weren't conducive to
general wellbeing either.
It's true that quite a few East Germans later became somewhat nostalgic for the GDR era, given
how badly handled the transition was and the mass unemployment of the 1990s which blighted the
lives of millions of East Germans (somewhat similar in some ways to events in Russia, though
obviously the situation there was much worse and more traumatic). But one shouldn't have too
rosy a view of the GDR or other Eastern bloc states because of the manifest defects of today's
West. East German Stasi spying on 1/3 of population was German efficiency run amok, objectively
useless waste or resources. It made no difference at all for the survival of the regime.
In Czechoslovakia, next door country with comparable size population, the secret police watched
about 60,000 people (i.e. VIP's and active dissidents), and it lasted about week longer than
DDR. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display
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August 11, 2017 at
11:28 pm GMT@utuThe
Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold and
cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Could you recommend a reading material on the subject? Thanks. There's a book by McMeekin
about this subject:
(no idea how good it is, haven't read it myself, and McMeekin seems to be somewhat
controversial). Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide
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2017 at 11:31 pm GMT@utuThe
Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold and
cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Could you recommend a reading material on the subject? Thanks. Sean McMeekin: History's
Greatest Heist: The Looting of Russia by the Bolsheviks
You have no idea what meetings in support of Angela Davis were, LOL! ;-) I don't
get your point.
She, and others were American commies that were used by the Soviets. Whether they were okay
with this or ignorant of it is a factual matter than lends itself to investigation. Read More
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Martyanov
She, and others were American commies that were used by the Soviets. Whether they were okay
with this or ignorant of it is a factual matter than lends itself to investigation.
What's not to get here? It was a joke, apart from being a commie, she was also a
black activist and by the end of 1970s very many Soviets had some good info about specifically
American blacks. By early to mid-1980s it was a common knowledge that blacks in US were
creating problems. What is not understood here is the fact that USSR itself was becoming at
that time a society which valued law--this is, of course, a separate topic, but Russian
attitudes towards blacks in general is very complex, especially when one considers the fact of
Russian cultural icon, Pushkin, being essentially black. So, let's not read in my post more
than is in it. I just wondered if Angela Davis support meetings could have been like that:
https://youtu.be/Lrle0x_DHBM
That would have been, quoting Mike Meyers, a Communist Party;-) Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc.
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WebsiteAugust 11, 2017 at
11:57 pm GMT 200 Words @iffen I don't
get your point.
She, and others were American commies that were used by the Soviets. Whether they were okay
with this or ignorant of it is a factual matter than lends itself to investigation.
She, and others were American commies that were used by the Soviets. Whether they were
okay with this or ignorant of it is a factual matter than lends itself to investigation.
What's not to get here? It was a joke, apart from being a commie, she was also a black
activist and by the end of 1970s very many Soviets had some good info about specifically
American blacks. By early to mid-1980s it was a common knowledge that blacks in US were
creating problems. What is not understood here is the fact that USSR itself was becoming at
that time a society which valued law–this is, of course, a separate topic, but Russian
attitudes towards blacks in general is very complex, especially when one considers the fact of
Russian cultural icon, Pushkin, being essentially black. So, let's not read in my post more
than is in it. I just wondered if Angela Davis support meetings could have been like that:
That would have been, quoting Mike Meyers, a Communist Party;-) Read More Replies:
@iffen ? Reply
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2017 at 12:24 am GMT@Andrei
Martyanov
She, and others were American commies that were used by the Soviets. Whether they were okay
with this or ignorant of it is a factual matter than lends itself to investigation.
What's not to get here? It was a joke, apart from being a commie, she was also a
black activist and by the end of 1970s very many Soviets had some good info about specifically
American blacks. By early to mid-1980s it was a common knowledge that blacks in US were
creating problems. What is not understood here is the fact that USSR itself was becoming at
that time a society which valued law--this is, of course, a separate topic, but Russian
attitudes towards blacks in general is very complex, especially when one considers the fact of
Russian cultural icon, Pushkin, being essentially black. So, let's not read in my post more
than is in it. I just wondered if Angela Davis support meetings could have been like that:
https://youtu.be/Lrle0x_DHBM
That would have been, quoting Mike Meyers, a Communist Party;-) ? Read More Replies:
@Andrei
Martyanov
?
OK, let's try from the other direction. From Merriam-Webster:
Definition of irony: a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events
and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Now, anyone, I underscore--anyone who lived in the Soviet Union in 1960s and 1970s knew
it--I underscore it again, they all knew it--among shortest anecdotes one of the most popular
was "Communism"--it was about incongruity. Angela Davis was and is, including by association
with Black Panthers movement--a black terrorist. She was NOT what she was portrayed she was in
USSR. And as in this anecdote "Communism", she became a definition of irony--being a result of
complete incongruity between what was expected (anticipated) to be and what she really was. In
effect, USSR was supporting a terrorist, while later everyone learned that she was a terrorist.
Listen, if my manuscript gets accepted for publication (there is some publisher who is
"fascinated" by it WebsiteAugust 12, 2017 at
12:45 am GMT 200 Words @iffen ?
?
OK, let's try from the other direction. From Merriam-Webster:
Definition of irony: a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events
and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity
Now, anyone, I underscore–anyone who lived in the Soviet Union in 1960s and 1970s knew
it–I underscore it again, they all knew it–among shortest anecdotes one of the most
popular was "Communism"–it was about incongruity. Angela Davis was and is, including by
association with Black Panthers movement–a black terrorist. She was NOT what she was
portrayed she was in USSR. And as in this anecdote "Communism", she became a definition of
irony–being a result of complete incongruity between what was expected (anticipated) to
be and what she really was. In effect, USSR was supporting a terrorist, while later everyone
learned that she was a terrorist. Listen, if my manuscript gets accepted for publication (there
is some publisher who is "fascinated" by it, by Tuesday I hope to know ) I elaborate there on
this issue. The reason you cannot understand me is precisely a complete ignorance in US on the
Soviet realities of 1970s and 198os. Read More LOL: Sergey Krieger Replies:
@iffen Well,
let's hope you get a good editor.
I know that there are a lot of Russkies here, so maybe one of them got the joke.
I was here in the US, not the USSR.
She was a big deal.
Terrorism was a small deal, in fact and actuality, but gigantic in propaganda value.
Google her name, ten or twenty hits for speaker.
She makes big bucks for speaking today. (More than you or me.) , @Sergey Krieger
Irony definition is very subtle. My heard hurts. I would definitely prefer to have some sense
of humor to reading the said definitions. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This
Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments inertial says: August 12, 2017 at
12:50 am GMT 100 Words @Anatoly KarlinWe've been
through this . :)
The more – indeed, only – relevant question: What percentage of schoolchildren
could do the problems in it? (relative to counterparts in the West)
It's not like there aren't any programs for especially gifted US schoolchildren.
Somehow Russians produce a lot of state of the art technology without getting all those
awards.
Not that much, and their share is declining:
https://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2016/country/all
Wedged between Taiwan and Belgium. Pretty sad.
Russia is legitimately strong in a few specific spheres like nuclear power and military
technology. In many other spheres (e.g. pretty much the entirety of biotech) it is a minnow.
Skanavi was used in elite math schools but those problems are far from Skanavi. These are
precisely the kind of problems we were doing in my non-elite prole school. I remember them.
What percentage of schoolchildren could solve problems like that? Great majority, after some
training. They are not that hard. Read More Replies: @Andrei
Martyanov
They are not that hard.
In Soviet NON-elite schools trigonometric identities were solved very often for
fun and on speed among students. However, today's (and yesterday's) entrance exams problems in
Math or Physics for such institutions like MGTU, MGU or MAI, among many others, may put some
MIT undergraduate students in stupor. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This
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2017 at 1:00 am GMT 100 Words @Andrei
Martyanov
?
OK, let's try from the other direction. From Merriam-Webster:
Definition of irony: a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events
and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Now, anyone, I underscore--anyone who lived in the Soviet Union in 1960s and 1970s knew
it--I underscore it again, they all knew it--among shortest anecdotes one of the most popular
was "Communism"--it was about incongruity. Angela Davis was and is, including by association
with Black Panthers movement--a black terrorist. She was NOT what she was portrayed she was in
USSR. And as in this anecdote "Communism", she became a definition of irony--being a result of
complete incongruity between what was expected (anticipated) to be and what she really was. In
effect, USSR was supporting a terrorist, while later everyone learned that she was a terrorist.
Listen, if my manuscript gets accepted for publication (there is some publisher who is
"fascinated" by it, by Tuesday I hope to know ) I elaborate there on this issue. The reason you
cannot understand me is precisely a complete ignorance in US on the Soviet realities of 1970s
and 198os. Well, let's hope you get a good editor.
I know that there are a lot of Russkies here, so maybe one of them got the joke.
I was here in the US, not the USSR.
She was a big deal.
Terrorism was a small deal, in fact and actuality, but gigantic in propaganda value.
Google her name, ten or twenty hits for speaker.
She makes big bucks for speaking today. (More than you or me.) Read More Replies: @German_reader
She was a big deal.
Also in East Germany, they made a big deal of American racism and campaigned for
Davis' freedom (kind of funny for a state that just shot citizens attempting to leave). I just
googled her...apparently she's still spewing her poison among German lefties and campaigning
for the rights of "refugees".
The West was too soft and liberal during the Cold war, much harsher measures should have been
taken against subversives. , @Anon
Google her name, ten or twenty hits for speaker.
Google her name
Google
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1:08 am GMT 100 Words @inertial
Skanavi was used in elite math schools but those problems are far from Skanavi. These are
precisely the kind of problems we were doing in my non-elite prole school. I remember them.
What percentage of schoolchildren could solve problems like that? Great majority, after some
training. They are not that hard.
They are not that hard.
In Soviet NON-elite schools trigonometric identities were solved very often for fun and on
speed among students. However, today's (and yesterday's) entrance exams problems in Math or
Physics for such institutions like MGTU, MGU or MAI, among many others, may put some MIT
undergraduate students in stupor. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter
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August 12, 2017 at
1:15 am GMT 100 Words @iffen Well,
let's hope you get a good editor.
I know that there are a lot of Russkies here, so maybe one of them got the joke.
I was here in the US, not the USSR.
She was a big deal.
Terrorism was a small deal, in fact and actuality, but gigantic in propaganda value.
Google her name, ten or twenty hits for speaker.
She makes big bucks for speaking today. (More than you or me.)
She was a big deal.
Also in East Germany, they made a big deal of American racism and campaigned for Davis'
freedom (kind of funny for a state that just shot citizens attempting to leave). I just googled
her apparently she's still spewing her poison among German lefties and campaigning for the
rights of "refugees".
The West was too soft and liberal during the Cold war, much harsher measures should have been
taken against subversives. Read More Replies: @iffen I have
assumed that you are (were) West German. How could you know what was a big deal in E. Germany
in the 60's? Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display
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2017 at 1:23 am GMT@German_reader
She was a big deal.
Also in East Germany, they made a big deal of American racism and campaigned for
Davis' freedom (kind of funny for a state that just shot citizens attempting to leave). I just
googled her...apparently she's still spewing her poison among German lefties and campaigning
for the rights of "refugees".
The West was too soft and liberal during the Cold war, much harsher measures should have been
taken against subversives. I have assumed that you are (were) West German. How could you know
what was a big deal in E. Germany in the 60′s? Read More Replies: @German_reader
I wasn't referring to personal experience (which in this case I'm much too young for anyway);
but it's well-known that the East Germans in the early 1970s had a really huge solidarity
campaign for Angela Davis. She visited there several times in the 1970s and 1980s, being
greeted by mass rallies. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide
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August 12, 2017 at
2:08 am GMT 100 Words @iffen I have
assumed that you are (were) West German. How could you know what was a big deal in E. Germany
in the 60's? I wasn't referring to personal experience (which in this case I'm much too young
for anyway); but it's well-known that the East Germans in the early 1970s had a really huge
solidarity campaign for Angela Davis. She visited there several times in the 1970s and 1980s,
being greeted by mass rallies. Read More Replies: @Darin Of
course you know that people on mass rallies were there cheering because they were brought there
and told to cheer, without knowing and caring what are they cheering for. Angela Davis might
fall for the charade, but you sure know better. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments Hector_St_Clare says:
August 12, 2017 at
2:08 am GMT 100 Words @utu Life in
DDR in 1970s and 1980s was pretty decent. Perhaps the highest standard of living in the Soviet
Block. If people did not know that the West exist and that you can get still more goodies there
they would be very happy to be like East Germany.
The planned economy worked there pretty good. It took Germans to show it. They had problems
with energy supplies when USSR reduced export to Germany and had to start to use very
inefficient and very polluting brown coal.
Probably Czechoslovakia and Hungary were the next in terms of socialist economy success in
1970's. Poland was always very uneven and unequal country where plan economy did not work and
where private sector still existed with lots of corruption and criminal shenanigans that let
some people got rich also in the state apparatus. Czechoslovakia is interesting: both halves
made the transition to modern capitalism without all that much increase in inequality.
Czechoslovakia was the second least economically unequal country in the world before 1989 (the
GDR was lowest) and the Czech Republic is second or third least unequal country today.
Hungary was doing pretty well from 1968-1989 based on the economic growth data I've been
able to find (although less well than their great years from roughly 2000-2007 or so). The
graph I found barely showed any inflection around 1989 at all. Read More Replies: @utu Hungary
was doing well under Kadar's goulash communism. And Czechs always were doing well. They had the
best industrial base, a leftover of Austro-Hungarian empire. Better than Austria. Before WWII
standards of living in Bohemia and Moravia part were one of the highest in Europe.
During communism they had one of the highest rates of summer homes (dacha- often just a
shack) in Europe. They have and always had the lowest religiosity in Europe.
They clearly have pretty smart and well connected to centers of power in the West political
elites. They were the only country in Europe that not only avoided fighting against Hitler but
also for Hitler unlike Hungary. The occupation by Germany there was the mildest because there
was zero resistance. They seem to be one of the most pragmatic nations. They unlike Poles can't
be manipulated by invocation of honor and other imponderabilia. They will not resits but then
they may take awful revenge for the indignity they suffered by not resisting. So watch your
back when they regain power as Germans have found out in 1945.
After 1989 they did not fall for neoliberalism scam that lead to deindustrialization which
happened to Poland and Hungary. Hungary managed to snap out of it under Orban or at least is
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2017 at 2:17 am GMT@German_reader
I wasn't referring to personal experience (which in this case I'm much too young for anyway);
but it's well-known that the East Germans in the early 1970s had a really huge solidarity
campaign for Angela Davis. She visited there several times in the 1970s and 1980s, being
greeted by mass rallies. Of course you know that people on mass rallies were there cheering
because they were brought there and told to cheer, without knowing and caring what are they
cheering for. Angela Davis might fall for the charade, but you sure know better. Read More
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That's a good point, though I suppose at least a few of the people at the rallies did buy the
official propaganda (there was a non-trivial number of true believers in the GDR).
But Angela Davis apparently believes even today that it was all entirely due to authentic
enthusiasm for her cause...which must be a sign of pretty stunning stupidity/delusion. Reply
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August 12, 2017 at
2:23 am GMT 100 Words @Darin Of
course you know that people on mass rallies were there cheering because they were brought there
and told to cheer, without knowing and caring what are they cheering for. Angela Davis might
fall for the charade, but you sure know better. That's a good point, though I suppose at least
a few of the people at the rallies did buy the official propaganda (there was a non-trivial
number of true believers in the GDR).
But Angela Davis apparently believes even today that it was all entirely due to authentic
enthusiasm for her cause which must be a sign of pretty stunning stupidity/delusion. Read More
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Angela Davis apparently believes even today that it was all entirely due to authentic
enthusiasm for her cause which must be a sign of pretty stunning stupidity/delusion.
There was "authentic enthusiasm" for Davis and others like her in the US and the elite fear
was authentic. She failed to bring her first love, communism, to the US, but seems happy enough
toiling for the elite now. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide
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2:41 am GMT 200 Words @Hector_St_Clare
Czechoslovakia is interesting: both halves made the transition to modern capitalism without all
that much increase in inequality. Czechoslovakia was the second least economically unequal
country in the world before 1989 (the GDR was lowest) and the Czech Republic is second or third
least unequal country today.
Hungary was doing pretty well from 1968-1989 based on the economic growth data I've been
able to find (although less well than their great years from roughly 2000-2007 or so). The
graph I found barely showed any inflection around 1989 at all. Hungary was doing well under
Kadar's goulash communism. And Czechs always were doing well. They had the best industrial
base, a leftover of Austro-Hungarian empire. Better than Austria. Before WWII standards of
living in Bohemia and Moravia part were one of the highest in Europe.
During communism they had one of the highest rates of summer homes (dacha- often just a
shack) in Europe. They have and always had the lowest religiosity in Europe.
They clearly have pretty smart and well connected to centers of power in the West political
elites. They were the only country in Europe that not only avoided fighting against Hitler but
also for Hitler unlike Hungary. The occupation by Germany there was the mildest because there
was zero resistance. They seem to be one of the most pragmatic nations. They unlike Poles can't
be manipulated by invocation of honor and other imponderabilia. They will not resits but then
they may take awful revenge for the indignity they suffered by not resisting. So watch your
back when they regain power as Germans have found out in 1945.
After 1989 they did not fall for neoliberalism scam that lead to deindustrialization which
happened to Poland and Hungary. Hungary managed to snap out of it under Orban or at least is
trying. Read More Replies: @JL This
comment looks like it was written by someone who hasn't read The Good Soldier Svejk. Reply
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2017 at 2:49 am GMT A Goggle search of "No Such Agency" used to direct its first hit to:
https://www.nsa.gov/
But wasn't it the point? Listen, I get it--you have some accounts to settle with
Soviet Union, hey fine with me, but please do not try to convince me about all ills and good
which USSR was in 1960s through 1980s--I lived there and I experienced a lot of it on very many
levels. Including some about which I am still reluctant to talk much about. I do not treat
seriously most of Russian "nationalist" so called "thinkers"--most of them still don't
understand why people such as Prosvirnin or said Kholmogorov have very bleak political
prospects in Russia. The reason being for them not knowing or realistically experiencing the
Soviet period. Said Kholmogorov, despite being born in 1975, missed, as an adult, realities of
Soviet period. Russia was, is and will remain this very "left"--not in LGBTQXYZ "western"
meaning--nation and there are reasons for that, which are beyond the grasp of people who do not
understand nor can feel continuity (preemstvennost') of the Russian history.Alexandr
Zinovyev--a real thinker of the scale which dwarfs any Kholmogorovs or Solzhentsyns correctly
assessed inevitable, both external and internal, Sovietization of Russia, on a completely new
foundation. In fact, it is happening as I type this--by 2017 by different data from 70 to 75%
of Russia's strategic industries were returned under the control of Russian State. Overwhelming
majority of Russian people, including, what is most inspiring, many youngsters are loving it.
Just one example. So how much of a hold did Jews have over the Soviet Union? There's a lot of
propaganda on the Net pushing the story that they were running the show entirely. Where should
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Anon Disclaimer says: August 12,
2017 at 6:35 am GMT@iffen Well,
let's hope you get a good editor.
I know that there are a lot of Russkies here, so maybe one of them got the joke.
I was here in the US, not the USSR.
She was a big deal.
Terrorism was a small deal, in fact and actuality, but gigantic in propaganda value.
Google her name, ten or twenty hits for speaker.
She makes big bucks for speaking today. (More than you or me.)
Google her name, ten or twenty hits for speaker.
Google her name
Google
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8:27 am GMT@Darin This
(selling of art) is no crime at all, but reasonable and praiseworthy business decision. USSR in
the 1930's certainly needed tractors, locomotives, machine tools and industrial equipment more
than Rembrandts. If the Tsars sold the art and jewels and invested into industrialization of
the country, there would be no need for revolution.
If you want to talk about "heritage", you might have point about icons, but what makes
Rembrandt and Titian "Russian heritage"? If works of art belong to country where they were
created, then all Rembrandts of the world shall be returned to Netherlands. If works of art
belong to all mankind, what difference it makes whether Rembrandt painting is in museum in
Petersburg or Washington? A country should be able to manufacture trains and tractors without
the need to finance them through sales of priceless works of art. Only a completely bankrupt
ideology would consider peddling Rembrandt for tractor parts as "reasonable and praiseworthy"
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Bolsheviks financed a huge part of their war efforts off the proceeds of Tsarist gold and
cultural (art) reserves until they ran out around 1922.
Could you recommend a reading material on the subject? Thanks. Yes, I was going to mention
Sean McMeekin as well.
Apart from the book which two people here have already referenced, he recently published a
history of the Russian revolution which incorporates his research on the art looting. Read More
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will look it up.
Is this Игорь Бунич.
Золото партии by Bunich
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Comments JL says: August 12, 2017 at
10:04 am GMT@utu Hungary
was doing well under Kadar's goulash communism. And Czechs always were doing well. They had the
best industrial base, a leftover of Austro-Hungarian empire. Better than Austria. Before WWII
standards of living in Bohemia and Moravia part were one of the highest in Europe.
During communism they had one of the highest rates of summer homes (dacha- often just a
shack) in Europe. They have and always had the lowest religiosity in Europe.
They clearly have pretty smart and well connected to centers of power in the West political
elites. They were the only country in Europe that not only avoided fighting against Hitler but
also for Hitler unlike Hungary. The occupation by Germany there was the mildest because there
was zero resistance. They seem to be one of the most pragmatic nations. They unlike Poles can't
be manipulated by invocation of honor and other imponderabilia. They will not resits but then
they may take awful revenge for the indignity they suffered by not resisting. So watch your
back when they regain power as Germans have found out in 1945.
After 1989 they did not fall for neoliberalism scam that lead to deindustrialization which
happened to Poland and Hungary. Hungary managed to snap out of it under Orban or at least is
trying. This comment looks like it was written by someone who hasn't read The Good Soldier
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are not history, certainly not military farces regarding the history of industrialization. ,
@utu Actually,
I read The Good Soldier Svejk several times. But what exactly in my comment does not jive with
the image of Czechs you got from Svejk? How much more you now about Czechs beyond Svejk?
Is this very Svejkian?
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2017 at 11:05 am GMT 200 Words Leaving aside the fact that I am apparently too dense to get
AM's Angela Davis joke, I want to tell my own.
In the 60's the ruling elite feared Russia, communism, socialism and black rebellion and
most of all they feared that Russia would catch the wave of those movements for a long and
successful ride. Angela Davis was viewed as a mortal threat by the elite because of her
ideology and politics and its promotion. Governor Ronald Reagan tried to get her fired from her
academic position in California. During this time she scrapped along on fellowships,
internships and academic positions secured for her by fellow travelers, not to mention
contributions of leftist organizations partially or wholly funded by Russia. The ruling elite
made sure that everyone, and I mean everyone, knew that Angela Davis was a real
threat.
Today, like an aging rock star, she scrapes along on speaker fees.
Okay, now the punch line.
She promotes the ruling elite ideology of SJW themes like intersectionality, etc.,
etc., blah, blah. The ruling elite no longer fears socialism. They no longer fear black
rebellion, in fact, that have co-opted black rebellion and manipulate it for their own benefit
and purposes.
Yet, they are still deathly afraid of Russia. Read More Replies: @Anatoly
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She promotes the ruling elite ideology of SJW themes like intersectionality, etc., etc.,
blah, blah.
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That's a good point, though I suppose at least a few of the people at the rallies did buy the
official propaganda (there was a non-trivial number of true believers in the GDR).
But Angela Davis apparently believes even today that it was all entirely due to authentic
enthusiasm for her cause...which must be a sign of pretty stunning stupidity/delusion. But
Angela Davis apparently believes even today that it was all entirely due to authentic
enthusiasm for her cause which must be a sign of pretty stunning stupidity/delusion.
There was "authentic enthusiasm" for Davis and others like her in the US and the elite fear
was authentic. She failed to bring her first love, communism, to the US, but seems happy enough
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11:41 am GMT@iffen Leaving
aside the fact that I am apparently too dense to get AM's Angela Davis joke, I want to tell my
own.
In the 60's the ruling elite feared Russia, communism, socialism and black rebellion and
most of all they feared that Russia would catch the wave of those movements for a long and
successful ride. Angela Davis was viewed as a mortal threat by the elite because of her
ideology and politics and its promotion. Governor Ronald Reagan tried to get her fired from her
academic position in California. During this time she scrapped along on fellowships,
internships and academic positions secured for her by fellow travelers, not to mention
contributions of leftist organizations partially or wholly funded by Russia. The ruling elite
made sure that everyone, and I mean everyone, knew that Angela Davis was a real
threat.
Today, like an aging rock star, she scrapes along on speaker fees.
Okay, now the punch line.
She promotes the ruling elite ideology of SJW themes like intersectionality, etc.,
etc., blah, blah. The ruling elite no longer fears socialism. They no longer fear black
rebellion, in fact, that have co-opted black rebellion and manipulate it for their own benefit
and purposes.
Yet, they are still deathly afraid of Russia.
She promotes the ruling elite ideology of SJW themes like intersectionality, etc., etc.,
blah, blah.
hey FASCISTS
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comment looks like it was written by someone who hasn't read The Good Soldier Svejk. Novels are
not history, certainly not military farces regarding the history of industrialization. Read
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2017 at 12:57 pm GMT 100 Words @Alden Dream on
it would take a Henry 8 Lenin and Trotsky type revolution to get rid of affirmative action.
If it ever happens, the first thing to do would be to put every judge and their families in
some kind of detention center, close down every state and federal courthouse and completely re
write the constitution to give all power to the elected executive and legislative branches.
Every woman and minority organization would have to be treated the way Henry treated the
monasteries and Lenin and Trotsky treated the Russian counterrevolution.
I'd say only White men with 4 grandparents born in the USA be allowed to vote, but the damage
was done between 1964 to 1973 or so by native born American White men.
The feminazis are just fronts for the cannibal capitalists who used them to destroy the
private sector unions, lower wages for everyone and create a docile work force eager to work 80
hours a week for 40 hours wages.
I'd love to be the commissar in charge of ending affirmative action and punishing those who
created and enforce it.
I'd say only White men with 4 grandparents born in the USA be allowed to vote, but the
damage was done between 1964 to 1973 or so by native born American White men.
Guilty as charged As many immature, uneducated Whites in the sixties, I too was played like
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guy is ok, but I still prefer the 'obscurantism' of Dugin.
There is little point arguing from a 'common sense' stance against the leftists.
This is war, not an argument.
Liberalism must be destroyed.
This guy is ok, but I still prefer the 'obscurantism' of Dugin.
I'll reveal a terrible secret to you: Dugin is not actually a nationalist. He is the Russian
equivalent of a Western multiculturalist.
I'll reveal a terrible secret to you: Dugin is not actually a nationalist.
Nor is he an "intellectual"--ability to use many big words, and "knowing"
Heidegger, in demagoguery is not a sign of anything other than of being extremely full of sh.t.
Which is precisely the case with Dugin. Having said all that--ANY discussion on Russia's
history without profound knowledge of the warfare is a waste of time. Without it--it is already
Gabriel Charmes' and Jeune Ecole all over again. Averchenko has a superb (I use it often) short
story The Specialist In Military Affairs. Applies here across the board (with some minor
exceptions). Actually, Edik Limonov has a superb expose on Dugin. , @ussr andy
He even denies the concept of race.
last thing Russia needs is a cold race war (not to be confused with cold war race,
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4:29 pm GMT@Anatoly Karlin
Yes, I was going to mention Sean McMeekin as well.
Apart from the book which two people here have already referenced, he recently published a
history of the Russian revolution which incorporates his research on the art looting. Thanks. I
will look it up.
This guy is ok, but I still prefer the 'obscurantism' of Dugin.
I'll reveal a terrible secret to you: Dugin is not actually a nationalist. He is
the Russian equivalent of a Western multiculturalist.
He even denies the concept of race.
The Alt Right's infatuation with him is utterly bizarre.
I'll reveal a terrible secret to you: Dugin is not actually a nationalist.
Nor is he an "intellectual"–ability to use many big words, and "knowing" Heidegger, in
demagoguery is not a sign of anything other than of being extremely full of sh.t. Which is
precisely the case with Dugin. Having said all that–ANY discussion on Russia's history
without profound knowledge of the warfare is a waste of time. Without it–it is already
Gabriel Charmes' and Jeune Ecole all over again. Averchenko has a superb (I use it often) short
story The Specialist In Military Affairs. Applies here across the board (with some minor
exceptions). Actually, Edik Limonov has a superb expose on Dugin. Read More Replies: @Sergey Krieger
But he got the beard! The beard you see. Just like Solzhenicin. It looks like every hack thinks
that adding beard increases one's credibility. Correlation is unmistakable . Reply
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You say USSR was poorer than other European states. Do you really have a clue how much it
costs in the West to pay for everything Soviet people were having as a right?
I'd been in western Europe and visited the USSR in 1990. USSR was much poorer than
any western European country, the USA or Canada. It wasn't a third world country, but that's a
very low bar.
Free education all level and better than in the west, kindergartens $1500 per month here,
free medicine and damn good at that, free accommodation, annual month paid vacation,
guaranteed job and retirement pay.
Materially speaking Soviet middle class lived liked poor Americans on
medicaid, with free public housing, free need-based tuition, etc. One difference - unlike
residents of American housing projects, Soviets could afford free vacations to sub-Western
resorts, I'll give you that. But then middle class Soviets drove worse (or no) cars, and had
worse TVs and radios then even poor Americans. There were some Soviet families even living in
communal apartments.
Obviously culturally it was a different story from poor Americans. But your argument is with
respect to material conditions. By that measure - in the end, performance of the USSR was
pathetic for a high IQ country of white people.
There is always bad people and unfortunately their time came. However, they were as much real
Communists as I am ballerina
Yeltsin who presided over the looting spree of the 1990s was elected as a full
member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in March 1981. As
for the looters - Berezovsky was head of a department in the Institute of Control Sciences of
the USSR Academy of Sciences. Khodorkovsky was deputy head of Komsomol (the Communist Youth
League) at his university, the D. Mendeleev University of Chemical Technology of Russia. Gaidar
was from a Soviet elite family and in the 1980s an editor of the CPSU ideological journal
Communist. Potanin, another one from an elite commie family, attended the faculty of the
International economic relations at Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO),
which groomed students for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Upon graduating MGIMO in 1983, he
followed in his father's footsteps and went to work for the FTO "Soyuzpromexport" with the
Ministry of Foreign trade of the Soviet Union. Etc. Etc.
Sure, none of these members of the Soviet elite, the top human products of the Soviet system
- were "real Communists." 1990 not the best time frankly. How is western middle class is doing
now? Again, you ignored my points and continued pressing own agenda. Soviet people basically
were free, provided with all things necessary for fullfilling, happy and protected life which
cost them nothing, while western middle class producing outword looks of prosperity was
actually I'll iving life of stress, uncertainty and unhappiness. Hence, how is western middle
class doing now? Up to nostrils in debt to mantain illusion of prosperity with no room for
mistake. Many are no longer middle class. 50 million in USA alone on food help. Drud and
various psycho meds in use to just get sort of temporary relief. What price one would put on
having what we had? I would say it is priceless. After 1985 fifth column took control of CPSU
central commity and top media. What was after 1986 hardly can be called Soviet Union , same as
providing lines in stores in 1991 is not representation of what we really had before government
Gorbachov and his inner cycle destabilized and destroyed my country. Without Gorbachov there
would be no Yeltsin who was nothing but opportunist of the worst kind. To be fair comparison
should be made for Brezhnev period which was the most prosperous time Russia ever seen and
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5:32 pm GMT@JL This
comment looks like it was written by someone who hasn't read The Good Soldier Svejk. Actually,
I read The Good Soldier Svejk several times. But what exactly in my comment does not jive with
the image of Czechs you got from Svejk? How much more you now about Czechs beyond Svejk?
Is this very Svejkian?
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Interesting...I have a negative opinion of the BBC on the whole, but sometimes they produce
surprisingly frank documentaries about WW2 issues. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This
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5:57 pm GMT@utu Actually,
I read The Good Soldier Svejk several times. But what exactly in my comment does not jive with
the image of Czechs you got from Svejk? How much more you now about Czechs beyond Svejk?
Is this very Svejkian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn5vHIKSlAk Interesting I have a negative opinion of the BBC on
the whole, but sometimes they produce surprisingly frank documentaries about WW2 issues. Read
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Martyanov
I'll reveal a terrible secret to you: Dugin is not actually a nationalist.
Nor is he an "intellectual"--ability to use many big words, and "knowing"
Heidegger, in demagoguery is not a sign of anything other than of being extremely full of sh.t.
Which is precisely the case with Dugin. Having said all that--ANY discussion on Russia's
history without profound knowledge of the warfare is a waste of time. Without it--it is already
Gabriel Charmes' and Jeune Ecole all over again. Averchenko has a superb (I use it often) short
story The Specialist In Military Affairs. Applies here across the board (with some minor
exceptions). Actually, Edik Limonov has a superb expose on Dugin. But he got the beard! The
beard you see. Just like Solzhenicin. It looks like every hack thinks that adding beard
increases one's credibility. Correlation is unmistakable . Read More Agree: Andrei Martyanov
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But he got the beard! The beard you see. Just like Solzhenicin. It looks like every hack thinks
that adding beard increases one's credibility. Correlation is unmistakable . Read More Replies:
@Serge Krieger
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This guy is ok, but I still prefer the 'obscurantism' of Dugin.
I'll reveal a terrible secret to you: Dugin is not actually a nationalist. He is
the Russian equivalent of a Western multiculturalist.
He even denies the concept of race.
The Alt Right's infatuation with him is utterly bizarre.
He even denies the concept of race.
last thing Russia needs is a cold race war (not to be confused with cold war race, lol),
like in America. IMO. Read More Agree: utu Replies: @Anatoly
Karlin If you wish to worship an anti-scientific multikulti promoting nutcase who has
successfully marketed himself to the dimmer Western radicals (nobody in Russia itself cares
about Dugin), then be my guest, but I'm more interested in facts and reality. Reply
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12:47 am GMT@Andrei
Martyanov
?
OK, let's try from the other direction. From Merriam-Webster:
Definition of irony: a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events
and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Now, anyone, I underscore--anyone who lived in the Soviet Union in 1960s and 1970s knew
it--I underscore it again, they all knew it--among shortest anecdotes one of the most popular
was "Communism"--it was about incongruity. Angela Davis was and is, including by association
with Black Panthers movement--a black terrorist. She was NOT what she was portrayed she was in
USSR. And as in this anecdote "Communism", she became a definition of irony--being a result of
complete incongruity between what was expected (anticipated) to be and what she really was. In
effect, USSR was supporting a terrorist, while later everyone learned that she was a terrorist.
Listen, if my manuscript gets accepted for publication (there is some publisher who is
"fascinated" by it, by Tuesday I hope to know ) I elaborate there on this issue. The reason you
cannot understand me is precisely a complete ignorance in US on the Soviet realities of 1970s
and 198os. Irony definition is very subtle. My heard hurts. I would definitely prefer to have
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3:53 pm GMT@ussr andy
He even denies the concept of race.
last thing Russia needs is a cold race war (not to be confused with cold war race,
lol), like in America. IMO. If you wish to worship an anti-scientific multikulti promoting
nutcase who has successfully marketed himself to the dimmer Western radicals (nobody in Russia
itself cares about Dugin), then be my guest, but I'm more interested in facts and reality. Read
More Replies: @ussr andy um I
don't worship Dugin, if only for the reason I don't know much about him (he was on Red Ice and
Alex Jones once, that's all I remember) and yeah, he's a bit of a self-promoter and an
obscurantist.
I'm more interested in facts and reality.
ditto, but I think everything over and above the narrow population-genetic
definition of race are American hang-ups due to America's history as a bi-racial slave-holding
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If you wish to worship an anti-scientific multikulti promoting nutcase who has successfully
marketed himself to the dimmer Western radicals (nobody in Russia itself cares about Dugin),
then be my guest, but I'm more interested in facts and reality. um I don't worship Dugin, if
only for the reason I don't know much about him (he was on Red Ice and Alex Jones once, that's
all I remember) and yeah, he's a bit of a self-promoter and an obscurantist.
I'm more interested in facts and reality.
ditto, but I think everything over and above the narrow population-genetic definition of
race are American hang-ups due to America's history as a bi-racial slave-holding settler
colony. Read More Replies: @ussr andy
American hang-ups
I don't know why Dugin even went there. That'd be like an American taking a stand
on Russo-Chukchi internal relations.
What about Russia needs the concept of race with all the attendant baggage, rather than,
say, ethnicity? , @utuI think
everything over and above the narrow population-genetic definition of race are American
hang-ups due to America's history as a bi-racial slave-holding settler colony.
Absolutely. This is Anglo-American construct. Being white it was something Southerners
talked about. This construct was foreign to normal Europeans who were not slave drivers. 19
century European immigrants to America did not have racial identity. Most of Europeans still do
not have racial identity. But this will change with the influx of immigrants if the influx
continues. Just as it changed for Irish, Italian and Polish ethnic neighborhoods in Northern
cities when they became forcefully integrated and Blacks started moving because of various
government housing programs. See E. Michael Jones "The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as
Ethnic Cleansing."
Unfortunately Karlin got infected with this toxic heresy of race. Are we suppose to be
learning from the slave drivers? We in cultures and countries who never practiced it? No, we do
not need their racial identity constructs. The emphasis should be on the traditional ethnic and
national culture and the fact some groups are not assimilable because of their incompatible
cultures. Your culture is your true and the only identity. You are who you are because of your
culture and not because of your race. Race does not make you into anything.
Most importantly Blacks can't assimilate not because of what is under their skin or in their
head (like low IQ) but because of their skin color. Yes, it is simple like that. To assimilate
you must start practicing mimicry. Mimicry is the most critical part of assimilation. That's
why Jews were successful in assimilating into Western societies and cultures. They were like
other, like majority or at least pretended to be and others could be fooled by it. Blacks
cannot do it. Blacks can never forget they are black. And you can't forget they are black. Thus
the mimicry is impossible. So there will always be otherness and separateness. Yes, it is skin
deep but it is enough. And with otherness and separateness a harmonious society is not
possible. The reason that Blacks are a problem in America is because they are black and not
because they have low IQ. There is equally large if not larger white sub-population in the US
with as low IQ like Blacks. You could call them Wiggers. But this sub-population is integrated.
And Blacks cannot integrate because their skin color is black which forces them to have
separate identity and sub-culture. Karlin and his mentors in Ulster Institute and Pioneer Fund
can shove their IQ bs up theirs. This is not about racial IQ. It is about skin color. The
bottom line is to stop letting people who are different then you into your country. America is
too far gone. The birth defect of slavery won't be erased. Russia also pays or will pay for its
imperial appetites when it swallowed too many other peoples. Actually she already paid for
swallowing Poland in 18 century with its poison pill, the Jews that gave her the hecatomb of
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9:48 pm GMT@ussr andy um I
don't worship Dugin, if only for the reason I don't know much about him (he was on Red Ice and
Alex Jones once, that's all I remember) and yeah, he's a bit of a self-promoter and an
obscurantist.
I'm more interested in facts and reality.
ditto, but I think everything over and above the narrow population-genetic
definition of race are American hang-ups due to America's history as a bi-racial slave-holding
settler colony.
American hang-ups
I don't know why Dugin even went there. That'd be like an American taking a stand on
Russo-Chukchi internal relations.
What about Russia needs the concept of race with all the attendant baggage, rather than,
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5:49 am GMT 500 Words @ussr andy um I
don't worship Dugin, if only for the reason I don't know much about him (he was on Red Ice and
Alex Jones once, that's all I remember) and yeah, he's a bit of a self-promoter and an
obscurantist.
I'm more interested in facts and reality.
ditto, but I think everything over and above the narrow population-genetic
definition of race are American hang-ups due to America's history as a bi-racial slave-holding
settler colony. I think everything over and above the narrow population-genetic definition
of race are American hang-ups due to America's history as a bi-racial slave-holding settler
colony.
Absolutely. This is Anglo-American construct. Being white it was something Southerners
talked about. This construct was foreign to normal Europeans who were not slave drivers. 19
century European immigrants to America did not have racial identity. Most of Europeans still do
not have racial identity. But this will change with the influx of immigrants if the influx
continues. Just as it changed for Irish, Italian and Polish ethnic neighborhoods in Northern
cities when they became forcefully integrated and Blacks started moving because of various
government housing programs. See E. Michael Jones "The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as
Ethnic Cleansing."
Unfortunately Karlin got infected with this toxic heresy of race. Are we suppose to be
learning from the slave drivers? We in cultures and countries who never practiced it? No, we do
not need their racial identity constructs. The emphasis should be on the traditional ethnic and
national culture and the fact some groups are not assimilable because of their incompatible
cultures. Your culture is your true and the only identity. You are who you are because of your
culture and not because of your race. Race does not make you into anything.
Most importantly Blacks can't assimilate not because of what is under their skin or in their
head (like low IQ) but because of their skin color. Yes, it is simple like that. To assimilate
you must start practicing mimicry. Mimicry is the most critical part of assimilation. That's
why Jews were successful in assimilating into Western societies and cultures. They were like
other, like majority or at least pretended to be and others could be fooled by it. Blacks
cannot do it. Blacks can never forget they are black. And you can't forget they are black. Thus
the mimicry is impossible. So there will always be otherness and separateness. Yes, it is skin
deep but it is enough. And with otherness and separateness a harmonious society is not
possible. The reason that Blacks are a problem in America is because they are black and not
because they have low IQ. There is equally large if not larger white sub-population in the US
with as low IQ like Blacks. You could call them Wiggers. But this sub-population is integrated.
And Blacks cannot integrate because their skin color is black which forces them to have
separate identity and sub-culture. Karlin and his mentors in Ulster Institute and Pioneer Fund
can shove their IQ bs up theirs. This is not about racial IQ. It is about skin color. The
bottom line is to stop letting people who are different then you into your country. America is
too far gone. The birth defect of slavery won't be erased. Russia also pays or will pay for its
imperial appetites when it swallowed too many other peoples. Actually she already paid for
swallowing Poland in 18 century with its poison pill, the Jews that gave her the hecatomb of
Bolshevik revolution from which she has never recovered. Read More Replies: @Anatoly
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10:23 pm GMT@utuI think
everything over and above the narrow population-genetic definition of race are American
hang-ups due to America's history as a bi-racial slave-holding settler colony.
Absolutely. This is Anglo-American construct. Being white it was something Southerners
talked about. This construct was foreign to normal Europeans who were not slave drivers. 19
century European immigrants to America did not have racial identity. Most of Europeans still do
not have racial identity. But this will change with the influx of immigrants if the influx
continues. Just as it changed for Irish, Italian and Polish ethnic neighborhoods in Northern
cities when they became forcefully integrated and Blacks started moving because of various
government housing programs. See E. Michael Jones "The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as
Ethnic Cleansing."
Unfortunately Karlin got infected with this toxic heresy of race. Are we suppose to be
learning from the slave drivers? We in cultures and countries who never practiced it? No, we do
not need their racial identity constructs. The emphasis should be on the traditional ethnic and
national culture and the fact some groups are not assimilable because of their incompatible
cultures. Your culture is your true and the only identity. You are who you are because of your
culture and not because of your race. Race does not make you into anything.
Most importantly Blacks can't assimilate not because of what is under their skin or in their
head (like low IQ) but because of their skin color. Yes, it is simple like that. To assimilate
you must start practicing mimicry. Mimicry is the most critical part of assimilation. That's
why Jews were successful in assimilating into Western societies and cultures. They were like
other, like majority or at least pretended to be and others could be fooled by it. Blacks
cannot do it. Blacks can never forget they are black. And you can't forget they are black. Thus
the mimicry is impossible. So there will always be otherness and separateness. Yes, it is skin
deep but it is enough. And with otherness and separateness a harmonious society is not
possible. The reason that Blacks are a problem in America is because they are black and not
because they have low IQ. There is equally large if not larger white sub-population in the US
with as low IQ like Blacks. You could call them Wiggers. But this sub-population is integrated.
And Blacks cannot integrate because their skin color is black which forces them to have
separate identity and sub-culture. Karlin and his mentors in Ulster Institute and Pioneer Fund
can shove their IQ bs up theirs. This is not about racial IQ. It is about skin color. The
bottom line is to stop letting people who are different then you into your country. America is
too far gone. The birth defect of slavery won't be erased. Russia also pays or will pay for its
imperial appetites when it swallowed too many other peoples. Actually she already paid for
swallowing Poland in 18 century with its poison pill, the Jews that gave her the hecatomb of
Bolshevik revolution from which she has never recovered. Drivel. Read More Replies: @utuDrivel?
The IQ-ists like yourself underestimate the fact that separate identity formation and the
persistence of this identity is not caused by IQ but by the external phenotype like a skin
color. The separate racial identity groups will not dissolve into one even if there are no IQ
differences between them. This is all about the external phenotype. We all heard since
kindergarten that down below the skin we are all the same. The IQ-ists say it is no so, the
IQ's are different but they agree with the kindergarten teacher that the skin color does not
matter. But I say it does not matter whether we are the same or not under the skin. What really
matters is what is on the surface not what is under the surface. What is on the surface is
responsible for the separate identity creation, separate group and sub-culture creation and
their persistence which leads to polarization resulting in reduced social harmony. In another
words lots of problems that you do not need and that would never appeared in the society with a
uniform external phenotype. Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide
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5:37 pm GMT 200 Words @Anatoly Karlin
Drivel. Drivel?
The IQ-ists like yourself underestimate the fact that separate identity formation and the
persistence of this identity is not caused by IQ but by the external phenotype like a skin
color. The separate racial identity groups will not dissolve into one even if there are no IQ
differences between them. This is all about the external phenotype. We all heard since
kindergarten that down below the skin we are all the same. The IQ-ists say it is no so, the
IQ's are different but they agree with the kindergarten teacher that the skin color does not
matter. But I say it does not matter whether we are the same or not under the skin. What really
matters is what is on the surface not what is under the surface. What is on the surface is
responsible for the separate identity creation, separate group and sub-culture creation and
their persistence which leads to polarization resulting in reduced social harmony. In another
words lots of problems that you do not need and that would never appeared in the society with a
uniform external phenotype. Read More Replies: @sinotibetan
Interesting comments. I agree with your observation. Even though it is possible that the mean
IQs of different ethnic groups may indeed be different, it is the external phenotype that is
one of the main determinants of "ethnic identity". Then followed by 'cultural traits' like
language, customs etc. A blond Pole who learns to speak impeccable 'Queen's English' , changes
his name to sound 'English' may assimilate so well that his foreign origin would probably never
be suspected but for a Chinese like me, my "East Asian phenotype" gives away my foreign origin.
On the other hand, if I learn Japanese ways to perfection, I might fool native Japanese I am
one of them, but never can the Polish man do that.
I think the problem with many native "Western" Europeans(or rather their ruling and political
elites) is that they are beholden (or perhaps envious of?) to the success of the USA as the
lone superpower and its economic and technological might. More so with native 'Western'
Europeans than Asians or Africans(although every nation cannot escape the ubiquitous American
influence) because in their mind it was mostly 'white Americans' , kinsmen of their forefathers
, who 'made' America as it is now. I think ideas like the European Union ('United States of
Europe') and multiculturalism and the demonization of nationalism in Europe by the ruling
elites may partially be explained by their desire to usurp American hegemony(by emulating the
USA). Perhaps they actually believe losing their native identities and becoming multiethnic (
eg being 'European' regardless of ethnic origin or country of origin, European nations being
reduced politically to like states within the USA) will make them rulers of a new
superpower.
There is no exceptionalism for any nation...including the USA. It is a young nation in the
process of (multiple) ethnogeneses, so happened it became the lone superpower and most
influential nation. In the process is perhaps the ethnogenesis of a new ethnic group called
'Americans'(the melting pot/assimilation of 'whites'/ Hispanics/blacks/'Asians' in varying
proportions) ...or will there be civil wars and internal strife within this group and other
'non-assimilated 'groups in future or breaking up into multiple 'nations' after internal
strife..who knows?
I think the ruling elites and literati who associate American success with multiethnic society
and blurring of traditional concepts of ethnic identity are making mistaken associations. The
success of America is not because it is multiethnic or plural. Perhaps the reasons for
America's success can be a topic of discussion - if Anatoly is keen on writing on the
subject.
I think the multiculturalism and immigration of different ethnic groups into America is a
recipe for ultimate internal strife and civilizational collapse in that nation as it has been
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5:49 pm GMT 500 Words @utuDrivel?
The IQ-ists like yourself underestimate the fact that separate identity formation and the
persistence of this identity is not caused by IQ but by the external phenotype like a skin
color. The separate racial identity groups will not dissolve into one even if there are no IQ
differences between them. This is all about the external phenotype. We all heard since
kindergarten that down below the skin we are all the same. The IQ-ists say it is no so, the
IQ's are different but they agree with the kindergarten teacher that the skin color does not
matter. But I say it does not matter whether we are the same or not under the skin. What really
matters is what is on the surface not what is under the surface. What is on the surface is
responsible for the separate identity creation, separate group and sub-culture creation and
their persistence which leads to polarization resulting in reduced social harmony. In another
words lots of problems that you do not need and that would never appeared in the society with a
uniform external phenotype. Interesting comments. I agree with your observation. Even though it
is possible that the mean IQs of different ethnic groups may indeed be different, it is the
external phenotype that is one of the main determinants of "ethnic identity". Then followed by
'cultural traits' like language, customs etc. A blond Pole who learns to speak impeccable
'Queen's English' , changes his name to sound 'English' may assimilate so well that his foreign
origin would probably never be suspected but for a Chinese like me, my "East Asian phenotype"
gives away my foreign origin. On the other hand, if I learn Japanese ways to perfection, I
might fool native Japanese I am one of them, but never can the Polish man do that.
I think the problem with many native "Western" Europeans(or rather their ruling and political
elites) is that they are beholden (or perhaps envious of?) to the success of the USA as the
lone superpower and its economic and technological might. More so with native 'Western'
Europeans than Asians or Africans(although every nation cannot escape the ubiquitous American
influence) because in their mind it was mostly 'white Americans' , kinsmen of their forefathers
, who 'made' America as it is now. I think ideas like the European Union ('United States of
Europe') and multiculturalism and the demonization of nationalism in Europe by the ruling
elites may partially be explained by their desire to usurp American hegemony(by emulating the
USA). Perhaps they actually believe losing their native identities and becoming multiethnic (
eg being 'European' regardless of ethnic origin or country of origin, European nations being
reduced politically to like states within the USA) will make them rulers of a new
superpower.
There is no exceptionalism for any nation including the USA. It is a young nation in the
process of (multiple) ethnogeneses, so happened it became the lone superpower and most
influential nation. In the process is perhaps the ethnogenesis of a new ethnic group called
'Americans'(the melting pot/assimilation of 'whites'/ Hispanics/blacks/'Asians' in varying
proportions) or will there be civil wars and internal strife within this group and other
'non-assimilated 'groups in future or breaking up into multiple 'nations' after internal
strife..who knows?
I think the ruling elites and literati who associate American success with multiethnic society
and blurring of traditional concepts of ethnic identity are making mistaken associations. The
success of America is not because it is multiethnic or plural. Perhaps the reasons for
America's success can be a topic of discussion – if Anatoly is keen on writing on the
subject.
I think the multiculturalism and immigration of different ethnic groups into America is a
recipe for ultimate internal strife and civilizational collapse in that nation as it has been
throughout human history.
.It all sounds like a pure Syrian IFF fuck-up, not an Israeli conjob.
When Powers was shot down in his U-2 over USSR, the other downed aircraft was
Soviet Aviation of PVO MiG-17 (or 19--don't remember from the top of my head). A classic case
of "friendly fire". Andrei, I have never seen you blow so much smoke or work so hard to quell
emotions I guess it may be justified in doing what one can to stop WWIII. Maybe there are
other reasons.
You are usually very careful to make sure that, in your writing, 2+2 = 4. This time,
perhaps for the above reasons, not so much. You claim that most posts on this thread are
emotional rants or trolls, yet you have spent most of your efforts trying to calm emotions
and not addressing more serious flaws in the official story.
Harold Smith rightly pointed out that the F16s did not end up behind the IL20 by mistake.
This was not some joy ride by the F16s. It was a well planned intentional operation. The
Israelis knew the habits and capabilities of the IL20 and made plans accordingly using cover
from the IL20 as their method to penetrate within the envelope of the S200s. The 1 minute
warning was a part of that plan. Any more warning would have exposed the F16s to much more
danger.
The Israelis knew a one minute warning was inadequate but gave it just for its value of
plausible deniability. They probably expected the S200s to hold their fire but they had no
way of being sure of that. Instead, they made an intentional plan, using the IL20 as cover
and intentionally putting the IL20 at risk of shoot down in order to protect their F16s. The
one minute warning was good for plausible deniability, nothing more.
Then we see Netanyahu rushing to de-escalate. The only thing he can plausibly say to Putin
is that this was intentional but done without his knowledge or permission. To claim it was a
"tragic error" is a joke. Would Putin believe that? Not likely. Thus we have a whole
delegation flying to Moscow to attempt to bolster that argument.
Not that the political players give a damn about it, but Israel's actions here are blatant
violations of international law, probably war crimes, and well, just plain immoral. But it is
only regular guys like me that care about stuff like that.
She does and this latest event could have been (with high degree of probability)
precipitated by Russian-Turkey-Iranian arrangement on Idlib, because isolation of
Israeli-friendly (or rather openly supported by her) most radical Islamic groups will happen
and that means Israel losing one of her most important pieces of strategy of keeping ME
destabilized. But then again–a good proof of effectiveness of Russia's actions in the
area, isn't it? Good ol' classic cliche: the flak is heavy, that means we are over
target.
-Israel has a fleet of quiet diesel-electric subs.
Yes, she does–German built.
-It has been shown that diesel electric subs have in the past easily come within
striking distance of U.S. carriers.
True, even nukes (subs) have penetrated ASW "shield" and conducted lengthy trailing of
CBGs many times.
-If Israel wanted to suck the United States into a shooting war in Syria, it would make
sense to sink the Truman with one of it's subs, blaming in on Russia. The United States
egged on by its NeoCon contingents and in a fit of emotionalism – think 9/11 –
would almost certainly react before thinking.
Ahh, not quite. Recall what happened with Kursk, the first act of the United States was to
have CIA Director be on the first flight to Moscow. No, it doesn't work like this and, I have
suspicion that, however deplorable Israel's policies are, Israel proper intelligence and
military people are on the order of magnitude smarter, however deviously, and calculating
than American neocons most of whom are dumb as fvcks and good only in bribery and mass-media
tantrums. Reaction of Israel in all this situation is the best proof.
-Of course, one something like this did happen, you'd have a war. And war is a wild
thing that, once turned loose, does what it wants and is out of control.
Let's put it this way, once Russians and Americans begin to kill each-other, Israel goes
immediately down. In fact, it will cease to exist as a state. But who wants to pay such a
price? Bibi knows that.
Let's put it this way, once Russians and Americans begin to kill each-other, Israel goes
immediately down. In fact, it will cease to exist as a state.
Can you expand on that?
Unless you're simply pointing out that escalation to a large scale nuclear exchange means
all states "will cease to exist', this is a non-trivial statement that begs explication.
Can you expand on that?
Israel is a known "owner" of nuclear weapons and is the nation which, depending on
scenario, has the ability to attack pretty much anything in Europe. Possible counter-force
scenario between Russia and US will involve "killing" of Israel's nuclear deterrent, as it
will be with European NATO members (UK and France), but Israel is tiny and any nuclear strike
there is, basically, a death sentence. This is in a nutshell–of course contingencies
vary but I am sure Israel's nuclear sites are in the targeting data base of Russia's nuclear
triad. That is until Israel gets the message and gets back to daddy (or mommy) and that is
what is in play right now. It will take some time, though.
Next, let's assume that this is simply the typical case of Israeli arrogance (not a myth!)
and that they decided to inform the Russians as late as possible. Does that at all entail that
the maneuver of the Israeli F-16s pilots to seek cover from the S-200 missile was something
they had planned in advance? Does anybody bother to look at the actual (as opposed to
Hollywood) record of the Israeli Air Force during past wars when they were actually challenged
by a reasonably capable air defense? There is a detailed discussion (in Russian) about this
here which can be summarized like this: as soon as the Israelis start losing aircraft their
martial prowess rapidly vanishes. Now please recall this: the Israelis have had recent losses,
some admitted, some denied, but there is no doubt that they are tense and very concerned.
Bottom line: I would fully expect the Israeli pilots to freak out and seek cover as soon as
they are told by their warning system that they are being painted by a radar in tracking mode
(the S-200 has a semi-active radar homing guidance system). If that is the case, and I am
not saying that this is the only possibility, then the fault is of the Israeli
pilots, not of their commanders or the Israeli state as a hole. Yes, the command responsibility
is the one of the state, but not the guilt for having engaged in such an evasive maneuver
(besides, knowing the
price placed by Israeli on goyim lives , this would be just so typical, would it not
)
At this point, I need to ask another question: what would the Israelis gain from shooting
down the Il-20? They sure ain't gonna frighten the Russians (Russian military don't scare easy)
and the Il-20 will be replaced. Scaring the Iranians or Hezbollah? Forget it – not
happening. Maybe there was a real lucrative target that they destroyed? Yes, maybe, be so far
we don't know anything about this. So what would be the point?
Then the "sister question": what would the Israelis risk by deliberately shooting down a
Russian EW aircraft? Well, in theory, they would risk having their aircraft shot down and their
airbases engaged with Russian missiles. That is highly unlikely, I will admit, and the Israelis
probably understand the Russians very well (many of them being from Russia). But could they be
sure that the local commanders would not order an immediate retaliation (as their
current rules of engagement do authorize them to!)? Let me remind everybody that this Spring,
the USA was not so sure at all, and following the words of the Russian ambassador that " not
only missiles but their launchers would be destroyed " the USN and Air Force decided to
shoot as little as possible and from as far as possible. As for the British sub, its captain
decided to cancel the planned missile strike entirely (they were being shadowed by two Russian
subs). Seems to me that the potential risks of that kind of operation would be pretty high,
while the potential rewards rather unclear.
Those who insist that this was a deliberate Israeli act need to come up with a halfway
credible explanation not only for how this was done, but also why this was
done.
Now, like many others, I despise the Israeli racist, genocidal rogue state with all my
heart. But that does not prevent me from being capable of imagining a scenario in which the
Israelis simply screwed-up. Believe it or not, but my disgust for Zionist ideology does not at
all entail a boundless belief in some Israeli infallibility.
Finally, let look at this: today (Sept 20 th ) an IDF delegation led by Air Force
Commander Maj.-Gen. Amikam Norkin is in Moscow. Also participating in the trip are the Head of
the Foreign Relations Division, Brig.-Gen. Erez Meisel and other officers from the
Intelligence, Air Force and Operations Divisions. Does anybody believe that all these officers
went to Moscow just to thumb their noses at the Russians? Or maybe they all traveled to Moscow
to present some totally non-credible excuses which will only infuriate the Russians
further?
My guess is that they have something exculpatory (at least in part) to show.
If the Russians conclude that the Israelis did it deliberately, I will support a strike on
Israeli air bases. If the Russians conclude that the Israelis cannot be trusted to abide by any
agreements (which I think is indisputable), then I think that the Russians should declare an
air exclusion zone over the Russian forces (a 100km radius or so). I also think that it is high
time to keep a pair MiG-31BMs on 24/7 combat air patrol high over Syria (they can come quite
close to replacing a much more expensive and vulnerable A-50U AWACS).
At this time (Sept 20 th 20:37 GMT) all they have
announced is that " both sides emphasized the importance of the states' interests and
the continued implementation of the deconfliction system" . If that is all that the
Russians decide, then I will find it wholly inadequate and I will predict a further surge in
frustration against not only the government, but against Putin himself. But, for the time
being, we need to wait and see what the Russian investigation will reveal. Only then can we
begin cheering Putin or calling him names.
There is also this possibility: the Russians would decide on an air exclusion zone and tell
the Israelis, but both sides would decide to keep this secret in order for Israel to save face
(because if the Russians declare an air exclusion zone, this will create a safe heaven for
Hezbollah and all the other militias which would be a political disaster for Bibi Netanyahu).
So we might never find out.
Finally, I want to add one more thing which is rarely, if ever, mentioned.
The S-200 is a pretty old air defense system. We also know that it does not have a Russian
IFF. However, the Russians have declared several times that the Russian air defense network and
the Syrian one were integrated. This is what best explains, at least in part, the very high
number of US cruise missiles intercepted in April. The problem is that the way the S-200 (and
most modern air defense systems) works is that the S-200 is fully integrated into a larger air
defense network administered by automated air defense management systems which is operated by a
higher echelon air defense command. This means that the Syrian air defense crew did not simply
detect the incoming missiles and fire off one of their own. At the very least, this decision
was taken by a higher echelon Syrian air defense command. Now we know that the time was
extremely short and, hence, the Russian air defense personnel might not have had the time to
take protective action, especially not when dealing with a large, slow and vulnerable moving EW
aircraft (the fact that this aircraft flew un-escorted is definitely a Russian mistake!).
Still, we know that the Russians have many early warning capabilities which the Syrians
do not have (AWACS, space based, shipborne radars, over-the-horizon radars, etc.) and there is
a pretty decent chance that somebody could have done something to prevent what happened. True,
since the Israelis and Russians had an agreement, the Russians therefore classified the
Israelis as "non-threat", but it does not take a genius to understand that four Israeli F-16
flying towards the Latakia Governorate are up to no good and that this warrants immediately
going on full alert.
Can The Saker tell us what right Israel has to bomb targets in Syria ? The Russians were
invited in to save Syria as were the Iranians and Hezbollah but Israel is on the side of the
attackers of Syria .
You are absolutely correct.
USA responded in similar fashion when Israel sunk "Liberty" with greater loss of american
lives.
Most of Israeli population are God's chosen people and can do no wrong.
God placed them on Earth to watch over us and even gave us his son to civilize us.
Praise the Lord!
@Bill65
Can The Saker tell us what right Israel has to bomb targets in Syria ? The Russians were
invited in to save Syria as were the Iranians and Hezbollah but Israel is on the side of the
attackers of Syria . One of the first courses in law school is intentional torts. The intent,
an act expressing that intent, and damages are the only requirement in many torts. The tort
of Battery; intent does not have to be an intent to cause the harm that actually occurred..
Merely expressing an intent in some kind of action satisfies the element of intent; it does
not matter to assignment of liability if the actual harm was unintended.
In criminal law: A holds up a bank, five cops show up, B shoots his gun at the ceiling,
the bullet bounces and kills one of the cops,and starts a fire in the bank A is probably
guilty of murder, Arson and attempted robbery.
so if while intending to shoot target victim A, the shooter instead accidentally or
otherwise shoots innocent non targeted victim B, the intent requirement for Battery is
satisfied. Hence Israel, and each and every one of its leaders, might be liable. w/o regards
to a showing that the intended target was unharmed, while a different innocent was
unintentionally harmed. Its the harm caused by an expression of an intention that produces
the liability. It does not matter that the harm happened to an unintended party.
Trespass to chattel, interference with a chattel which results in injury to the possessor
or injury to a person or thing in which the possessor of the chattel has a legally protected
interest(like life and assets) results in liability for trespass. If Israel without privilege
touches a Indian Snake Charmers Snake, causing Snake Charmers Snake to bite a Russian
bystander, Israel probably liable for the injury to the Russian bystander.
But there is more, the doctrine of transferred intent applies. Here the intent in four other
torts (battery, assault, trespass to land or false imprisonment) can be substituted to
satisfy the requisite intent for trespass to chattel. If Israel intends to destroy Syrian
dams with weapons and missiles, and instead causes a Syrian response that kills Russian
soldiers and planes, the tort would hold Israel liable for the damage to the plane and the
deaths of the Russians. IANAL. There is a lot to this intent thing, but generally, I
understand, when intent is established, especially if unlawful trespass or criminality is
part of the expression of the intentional act, that Intent element in the tort would be
satisfied.
The Tort of Extreme and Outrageous conduct; behavior "that reaches beyond all possible
bounds of decency; atrocious, utterly intolerable in a civilized community ( such as invading
a sovereign nation; attacking its assets and killing its inhabitants). Here the expression of
intent is in the outrageous behavior, the persons harmed might not even be known to the
person who engaged in the Tort of Extreme and Outrageous conduct.
IANAL and I would appreciate it if a lawyer would make these point clear and clarify my
understanding of these principles, especially as they might apply to the situation at
hand.
My point here is the intent and transfer of intent principles suggest Israel intended
unauthorized trespass, acts of aggression and war, and it is indifferent to liability for the
crime or damages that conducting war against Russia was unintended.
Moreover, it seems to me unlikely that Israel would plan an attack, and not coordinate it
with Russia, when such an attack was so close to Russian Assets and Russian Personnel. Israel
had to know the risk of killing Russians and destroying Russian assets was likely
(Scienter?), which suggest to me Israel intended to use Syrian technical limitations as a
means to punish Russia for protecting Syria. [ Res ipsa Loquitur comes to mind]. Wonder how a
Jewish court and Jewish judge would rule on this one?
There is a striking note of imperial self-confidence about the document in which all sides
in the Syrian civil war are instructed to come to heel. This may not happen quite as intended
because it is difficult to see why fighters of al-Qaeda-type groups like Hayat Tahrir al-Sham
should voluntarily give up such military leverage as they still possess. The Syrian government
has said that it will comply with the agreement but may calculate that, in the not so long
term, it will be able to slice up Idlib bit by bit as it did with other rebel enclaves.
What is most interesting about the agreement is less its details than what it tells us about
the balance of forces in Syria, the region and even the world as a whole. Fragile it may be,
but then that is true of all treaties which general Charles de Gaulle famously compared to
"young girls and roses – they last as long as they last". Implementation of the
Putin-Erdogan agreement may be ragged and its benefits temporary, but it will serve a purpose
if a few less Syrians in Idlib are blown apart.
The Syrian civil war long ago ceased to be a struggle fought out by local participants.
Syria has become an arena where foreign states confront each other, fight proxy wars and put
their strength and influence to the test.The most important international outcome of war so far
is that it has enabled Russia to re-establish itself as a great power. Moscow helped Assad
secure his rule after the popular uprising in 2011 and later ensured his ultimate victory by
direct military intervention in 2015. A senior diplomat from an Arab country recalls that early
on in the Syrian war, he asked a US general with a command in the region what was the
difference between the crisis in Syria and the one that had just ended with the overthrow of
Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. The general responded with a single word: "Russia."
It is difficult to remember now, when Russia is being portrayed in the west as an aggressive
predatory power threatening everybody, the extent which it was marginalised seven years ago
when Nato was carrying out regime change in Libya.
Russia was in reality always stronger than it looked because it remained a nuclear
superpower capable of destroying the world after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 just as
it was before. It should be difficult to forget this gigantically important fact, but
politicians and commentators continue to blithely recommend isolating Russia and pretend that
it can be safely ignored.
The return of Russia as a great power was always inevitable but was accelerated by
successful opportunism and crass errors by rival states. Assad in Syria was always stronger
than he looked. Even at the nadir of his fortunes in July 2011, the British embassy in Damascus
estimated that he had the backing of 30 to 40 per cent of the population according to The
Battle for Syria: International Rivalry in the New Middle East by Christopher Phillips,
which should be essential reading for anybody interested in Syria. Expert opinion failed to
dent the conviction among international statesmen that Assad was bound to go. When the French
ambassador Eric Chevallier expressed similar doubts about the imminence of regime change he
received a stern rebuke from officials in Paris who told him: "Your information does not
interest us. Bashar al-Assad must fall and will fall."
Prosvirnin
is the most talented writer.
Limonov
has by far the most colorful personality.
Dugin
has been the most effective at promoting himself in the West. Prokhanov probably has the most name
recognition in Russia. Galkovsky created the most powerful memes.
Krylov
provided the esoteric flavoring.
And yet out of all of Russia's
right-wing intellectuals
, there is perhaps none so unique as Egor Kholmogorov.
This
is ironic, because out of all of the above, he is the closest to the "golden mean" of the Russian
nationalist memeplex.
He is a realist on Soviet achievements,
crimes, and lost opportunities, foregoing both the Soviet nostalgia of Prokhanov, the kneejerk Sovietophobia
of Prosvirnin, and the unhinged conspiracy theories of Galkovsky. He is a normal, traditional Orthodox
Christian, in contrast to the "atheism plus" of Prosvirnin, the mystical obscurantism of Duginism, and the
esoteric experiments of Krylov. He has time neither for the college libertarianism of Sputnik i Pogrom
hipster nationalism, nor the angry "confiscate and divide" rhetoric of the National Bolsheviks.
Instead of wasting his time on
ideological rhetoric, he reads Thomas Piketty's Capital in the 21st Century and writes
reviews
about it on his website.
And about 224 other books
.
And this brings us to what makes
Kholmogorov so unique: He is an extremely well-read autodidact.
This allows him to write informed and
engaging articles on a very wide variety of different topics and breaking news.
In my opinion, Kholmogorov is simply the
best modern Russian right-wing
intellectual
, period.
Unfortunately, he is almost entirely
unknown in the English-speaking world; he does not angle for interviews with Western media outlets like
Prosvirnin, nor does he energetically pursue foreign contacts like Dugin. Over the years I have done my very
small part to remedy this situation, translating two of Kholmogorov's articles (
Europe's
Week of Human Sacrifice
;
A Cruel French Lesson
). Still, there's only so much one blogger with many other things to write about
can do.
Happily, a multilingual Russian fan of
Kholmogorov has stepped up to the plate: Fluctuarius Argenteus. Incidentally, he is a fascinating fellow in
his own right – he is a well recognized expert in Spanish history and culture – though his insistence on
anonymity constrains what I can reveal, at least beyond his wish to be the "Silver Surfer" to Kholmogorov's
Galactus.
We hope to make translations of
Kholmogorov's output consistently available on The Unz Review in the months to come.
In the meantime, I am privileged to
present the first Fluctuarius-translated Kholmogorov article for your delectation.
***
A New Martin Luther?: James Damore's Case from a Russian Conservative Perspective
Google fires employee James Damore
for "perpetuating gender stereotypes.
– You persecute your employees for
having opinions and violate the rights of White men, Centrists, and Conservatives.
– No, we don't. You're fired.
A conversation just like or similar to
this one recently took place in the office of one of modern information market monsters, the Google
Corporation.
Illustration to the Google scandal.
James Damore fired for "perpetuating gender stereotypes". Source: Screenshot of Instragram user bluehelix.
Google knows almost everything about us,
including the contents of our emails, our addresses, our voice samples (
OK Google
), our favorite
stuff, and, sometimes, our sexual preferences. Google used to be on the verge of literally looking at the
world with our own eyes through Google Glass, but this prospect appears to have been postponed, probably
temporarily. However, the threat of manipulating public opinion through search engine algorithms has been
discussed in the West for a long while, even to the point of becoming a central
House of Cards
plotline.
Conversely, we know next to nothing
about Google. Now, thanks to an ideological scandal that shook the company, we suddenly got a glimpse of
corporate values and convictions that the company uses a roadmap to influencing us in a major way, and
American worldview even more so. Suddenly, Google was revealed to be a system permeated by ideology,
suffused with Leftist and aggressively feminist values.
The story goes this way. In early
August, an anonymous manifesto titled
Google's Ideological Echo Chamber
was circulated through the
local network of Google. The author lambasted the company's ideological climate, especially its policy of
so-called diversity. This policy has been adopted by almost all of US companies, and Google has gone as far
as to appoint a "chief diversity officer". The goal of the polity is to reduce the number of white
cisgendered male employees, to employ as many minorities and women as possible and to give them fast-track
promotions – which, in reality, gives them an unfair, non-market based advantage.
The author argues that Leftism and
"diversity" policies lead to creating an "echo chamber" within the company, where a person only talks to
those who share their opinions, and, through this conversation, is reinforced in the opinion that their
beliefs are the only ones that matter. This "echo chamber" narrows one's intellectual horizon and undermines
work efficiency, with following "the party line" taking precedence over real productivity.
In contrast to Google's buzzwords of
"vision" and "innovation", the author claims that the company has lost its sight behind its self-imposed
ideological blindfold and is stuck in a morass.
As Google employs intellectuals, argues
the critic, and most modern Western intellectuals are from the Left, this leads to creating a closed Leftist
clique within the company. If the Right rejects everything contrary to the God>human>nature hierarchy, the
Left declares all natural differences between humans to be nonexistent or created by social constructs.
The central Leftist idea is the class
struggle, and, given that the proletariat vs. bourgeoisie struggle is now irrelevant, the atmosphere of
struggle has been transposed onto gender and race relations. Oppressed Blacks are fighting against White
oppressors, oppressed women challenge oppressive males. And the corporate management (and, until recently,
the US presidency) is charged with bringing the "dictatorship of the proletariat" to life by imposing the
"diversity" policy.
The critic argues that the witch-hunt
of Centrists and Conservatives, who are forced to conceal their political alignment or resign from the job,
is not the only effect of this Leftist tyranny. Leftism also leads to inefficiency, as the coveted job goes
not to the best there is but to the "best woman of color". There are multiple educational or motivation
programs open only to women or minorities. This leads to plummeting efficiencies, disincentivizes White men
from putting effort into work, and creates a climate of nervousness, if not sabotage. Instead of churning
out new ground-breaking products, opines the critic, Google wastes too much effort on fanning the flames of
class struggle.
What is the proposed solution?
Stop diving people into "oppressors" and
"the oppressed" and forcefully oppressing the alleged oppressors. Stop branding every dissident as an
immoral scoundrel, a racist, etc.
The diversity of opinion must apply to
everyone. The company must stop alienating Conservatives, who are, to call a spade a spade, a minority that
needs their rights to be protected. In addition, conservatively-inclined people have their own advantages,
such as a focused and methodical approach to work.
Fight all kinds of prejudice, not only
those deemed worthy by the politically correct America.
End diversity programs discriminatory
towards White men and replace them with non-discriminatory ones.
Have an unbiased assessment of the costs
and efficiency of diversity programs, which are not only expensive but also pit one part of the company's
employees against the other.
Instead of gender and race differences,
focus on psychological safety within the company. Instead of calling to "feel the others' pain", discuss
facts. Instead of cultivating sensitivity and soft skins, analyze real issues.
Admit that not all racial or gender
differences are social constructs or products of oppression. Be open towards the study of human nature.
The last point proved to be the most
vulnerable, as the author of the manifesto went on to formulate his ideas on male vs. female differences
that should be accepted as fact if Google is to improve its performance.
The differences argued by the author are
as follows:
Women are more interested in people, men
are more interested in objects.
Women are prone to cooperation, men to
competition. All too often, women can't take the methods of competition considered natural among men.
Women are looking for a balance between
work and private life, men are obsessed with status and
Feminism played a major part in
emancipating women from their gender roles, but men are still strongly tied to theirs. If the society seeks
to "feminize" men, this will only lead to them leaving STEM for "girly" occupations (which will weaken
society in the long run).
It was the think piece on the natural
differences of men and women that provoked the greatest ire. The author was immediately charged with
propagating outdated sexist stereotypes, and the Google management commenced a search for the dissent, with
a clear purpose of giving him the sack. On 8th August, the heretic was revealed to be James Damore, a
programmer. He was fired with immediate effect because, as claimed by Google CEO Sundar Pichai, "portions of
the memo violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our
workplace". Damore announced that he was considering a lawsuit.
We live in a post-Trump day and age,
that is why the Western press is far from having a unanimous verdict on the Damore affair. Some call him "a
typical sexist", for others he is a "free speech martyr". By dismissing Damore from his job, Google
implicitly confirmed that all claims of an "echo chamber" and aggressive Leftist intolerance were precisely
on point. Julian Assange has already tweeted: "Censorship is for losers, WikiLeaks is offering a job to
fired Google engineer James Damore".
It is highly plausible that the Damore
Memo may play the same breakthrough part in discussing the politically correct insanity as WikiLeaks and
Snowden files did in discussing the dirty laundry of governments and secret services. If it comes to pass,
Damore will make history as a new Martin Luther challenging the Liberal "Popery".
However, his intellectual audacity
notwithstanding, it should be noted that Damore's own views are vulnerable to Conservative criticism.
Unfortunately, like the bulk of Western thought, they fall into the trap of Leftist "cultural
constructivism" and Conservative naturalism.
Allegedly, there are only two possible
viewpoints. Either gender and race differences are biologically preordained and therefore unremovable and
therefore should always be taken into account, or those differences are no more than social constructs and
should be destroyed for being arbitrary and unfair.
The ideological groundwork of the
opposing viewpoints is immediately apparent. Both equate "biological" with "natural" and therefore "true",
and "social" with "artificial" and therefore "arbitrary" and "false". Both sides reject "prejudice" in favor
of "vision", but politically correct Leftists reject only a fraction of prejudices while the critic calls
for throwing all of them away indiscriminately.
As a response, Damore gets slapped with
an accusation of drawing upon misogynist prejudice for his own ideas. Likewise, his view of Conservatives is
quite superficial. The main Conservative trait is not putting effort into routine work but drawing upon
tradition for creative inspiration. The Conservative principle is "innovation through tradition".
The key common mistake of both Google
Leftists and their critic is their vision of stereotypes as a negative distortion of some natural truth. If
both sides went for an in-depth reading of Edmund Burke, the "father of Conservatism", they would learn that
the prejudice is a colossal historical experience pressurized into a pre-logical form, a collective
consciousness that acts when individual reason fails or a scrupulous analysis is impossible. In such
circumstances, following the prejudice is a more sound strategy than contradicting it. Prejudice is
shorthand for common sense. Sometimes it oversimplifies things, but still works most of the time. And, most
importantly, all attempts to act "in spite of the prejudice" almost invariably end in disaster.
Illustration to the Google scandal. A
fox sits gazing at the Google's Ideological Echo Chamber exposing the ideas of the fired engineer James
Damore. Source: Screenshot of Instragram user bluehelix.
However, the modern era allows us to
diagnose our own prejudice and rationalize them so we could control them better, as opposed to blind
obedience or rejection. Moreover, if the issue of "psychological training" ever becomes relevant in a
country as conservative as Russia is, that is the problem we should concentrate on: analyzing the roots of
our prejudices and their efficient use.
The same could be argued for gender
relations. Damore opposes the Leftist "class struggle of the genders" with a technocratic model of
maximizing the profit from each gender's pros and cons. This functionalism appears to be logical in its own
way, but is indeed based on too broad assumptions, claiming that all women are unfit for competition, that
all of them like relationships and housekeeping while all men are driven by objects and career. And, as
Damore claims biological grounds for his assumptions, all our options boil down to mostly agreeing with him
or branding him as a horrible sexist and male chauvinist.
However, the fact that gender roles
historically developed based on biology but are, as a whole, a construct of society and culture does not
give an excuse to changing or tearing them down, as clamored by Leftists. Quite the contrary: the social,
cultural, and historical determinism of these roles gives us a reason to keep them in generally the same
form without any coups or revolutions.
First, that tradition is an
ever-growing accumulation of experience. Rejecting tradition is tantamount to social default and requires
very good reasons to justify. Second, no change of tradition occurs as a result of a "gender revolution",
only its parodic inversion. Putting men into high heels, miniskirts, and bras, fighting against urinals in
public WCs only reverses the polarity without creating true equality. The public consciousness still sees
the "male" as "superior", and demoting "masculinity" to "femininity" as a deliberate degradation of the
"superior". No good can come of it, just as no good came out of humiliating wealth and nobility during the
Communist revolution in Russia. What's happening now is not equal rights for women but the triumph of gender
Bolshevism.
Damore's error, therefore, consists in
abandoning the domain of the social and the historical to the enemy while limiting the Conservative sphere
of influence to the natural, biological domain. However, the single most valuable trait in conservative
worldview is defending the achievements of history and not just biological determinism.
The final goal of a Conservative
solution to the gender problem should not be limited to a rationalist functionalization of society. It
should lead to discovering a social cohesion where adhering to traditional male and female ways and
stereotypes (let's not call them roles – the world is not a stage, and men and women not merely players)
would not keep males and females from expressing themselves in other domains, provided they have a genuine
calling and talent.
The art of war is not typical of a
woman; however, women warriors such as Joan of Arc leave a much greater impact in historical memory. The art
of government is seen as mostly male, yet it makes great female rulers, marked not by functional usefulness
but true charisma, all the more memorable. The family is the stereotypical domain of the woman, which leads
to greater reverence towards fathers that put their heart and soul into their families.
Social cohesion, an integral part of it
being the harmony of men and women in the temple of the family, is the ideal to be pursued by our Russian,
Orthodox, Conservative society. It is the collapse of the family that made gender relations into such an
enormous issue in the West: men and women are no longer joined in a nucleus of solidarity but pitted against
one another as members of antagonistic classes. And this struggle, as the Damore Memo has demonstrated, is
already stymieing the business of Western corporations. Well, given our current hostile relations, it's
probably for the better.
Sic Semper Tyrannis has published a response to the Rosenstein fantastic "Indictment of
Trolls" (Part II): "Something Rotten About the DOJ Indictment of the GRU," by Publius Tacitus
http://www.turcopolier.typepad.com
"Assistant Attorney General Rosenstein announced a bizarre indictment against Russian
military intelligence operatives today that, rather than confirming the case of "Russian
meddling" in the U.S. 2016 Presidential election raises more questions. Here are the major
oddities:
1. How did the FBI obtain information about activity on the DNC and DCCC servers when the
DNC/DCCC refused to give the Feds access to the servers/computers?
2. Why does Crowdstrike get credit as being a competent computer security firm when,
according to the indictment, they completely and utterly failed to stop the "hacks?
"
3. Why does the indictment refuse to name Wikileaks by name as the Russian collaborator? Here
is the bottomline–if US officials knew as early as April that Russia was hacking the
DNC, why did it take US officials more than six months to stop the activity? The statement of
"facts" contained in the indictment also raises another troubling issue–what is the
source of the information? For example, if the FBI was not given access to the DNC/DCCC
servers and computers then how do they know what happened on specific dates as alleged in the
complaint?"
-- Why does the US national security hang on the opinions and concoctions of a visceral
Russophobe Dm. Alperovitch (a ziocon) who is an "expert" (together with the badly uneducated
Elliot Higgins) at the thoroughly corrupted and zionized Atlantic Council?
-- What kind of antisemite has been working hard to make the US Jewry at large suspected in a
massive conspiracy and treason against the United States of America?
Here is the context for the "Indictment of Trolls" (Paty II):
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/62c97j/the_awan_brothers_compromised_at_least_80/
"The Awan brothers compromised at least 80 congressional computers and got paid 5 million to
do it. We may never know the extent of the breach.
After compromising the Congress' networks for 12 years they do a quick cleanup by breaking in
to 20 congressional offices, store data in an off site server before running of to Pakistan
and the D.C. Police are investigating. But wait there's more
Imran Awan has a longtime relationship with some members of Congress, including working for
Meeks and Becerra starting in 2004 and joining Wasserman Schultz's office in 2005. The IT
staffer position expanded to include more than 30 representatives, including work under
congressional members who were members of top secret level congressional committees (DHS,
Foreign affairs, Select intelligence committee).
Although personal office computers are not supposed to be used for Intelligence Committee
business or classified material, accessing these computers is a high priority for foreign
intelligence services because of the information they could glean about the committee's work
from unclassified emails.
• The brothers are suspected of serious violations including accessing members' computer
networks without their knowledge and stealing equipment from Congress, over billing congress
for work and parts, transferring data to a remote server, and bypassing normal security
protocols for IT staff. Their Democrat benefactors allowed the breech of policy for the sake
of convenience.
• The Awans operated an external server, which is against all protocols concerning
secured government information.
Further, there were instances where House information was discovered in an external "cloud"
server. The contractors in question reportedly were sending and storing House-related
information in that off-site server.
• The Awans had special access to the White House and for Visas.
• Multiple Democratic lawmakers have yet to cut ties with House staffers under criminal
investigation for wide-ranging equipment and data theft."
– Hey, Mueller! Hey, Rosenstein! Do your job.
@Mr. Hack I understand perfectly what I read, and even make a direct quotation:
Those in power in Kiev had several times already attempted to draw Moscow into the civil
war, directly and through a NATO intervention
I then ridicule such mularkey for what it is, unsubstantiated ' gibberish
'.
You want to defend this BS then go to it, otherwise put up or shut up! :-)
The same goes for Skeptikal. Here is a British 'method' of slandering the non-obedient
Russians. In terms of dishonesty, it is about the same as the US/EU/Ukrainian version of the
MH17 tragedy:
"The Holes in the Official Skripal Story," by Craig MURRAY:
"The nub of the British government's approach has been the shocking willingness of the
corporate and state media to parrot repeatedly the lie that the nerve agent was Russian made,
even after Porton Down said they could not tell where it was made and the OPCW confirmed that
finding. In fact, while the Soviet Union did develop the "novichok" class of nerve agents,
the programme involved scientists from all over the Soviet Union, especially Ukraine, Armenia
and Georgia, as I myself learnt when I visited the newly decommissioned Nukus testing
facility in Uzbekistan in 2002."
In Paris, a great piece of street furniture called pissoir had been invented in 19
th century, and it made city life easy. Men could pop in and pee for free and
without bother. But the feminists objected to it, and the spirit of capitalism supported them.
A free facility is already a beginning of hated socialism. Rapidly, the number of street
urinals went down from 1200 to one. Instead, pay booths suitable for men and women came into
existence. These structures demand money, take time and are complicated to use. The feminists
were happy, money-charging descendants of Vespasian (the Emperor who said 'money doesn't smell'
and introduced a toilet tax) were very happy, but men weren't so happy to pay for something
they always had for free. So the men preferred to pee outside. And Paris stunk to high
heaven.
Squeezed between malodorous streets and feminist fury, the Paris Town Hall created a new
sort of urinal: open-air one, zero privacy, just pee and go away. Not much of a luxury, nothing
for women to be envious about. And they weren't envious, – just furious. They assaulted
the hated symbols of male patriarchy with concrete, pouring it down the drain, and quickly
blocked them and made them unusable. I suppose the owners of pay-as-you-pee supported them, and
probably even supplied them with concrete at slashed rate, but it is just my wild guess.
Anyway, now Paris stinks again, and the feminists may use this reason to hate men.
And now this toilet war had been carried out to the outer space. There was a strange recent
incident on the International Space Station (ISS). The pressure in the station had dropped.
In the search of a possible leak, a small (2 mm) hole had been discovered in a wall of the
Russian Soyuz spacecraft docked to the station. The hole was located near the toilet and
covered by decorative fabric.
The US astronauts demanded that their mission be aborted and they return to earth; the
Russian cosmonauts just glued the hole with a bit of epoxy and the flight went on.
It was promptly established that it was not a result of a meteorite strike; the hole had
been drilled. Dmitry Rogozin, head of Roscosm said that it was probably done by a homesick
astronaut. This version was considered just too bizarre. It was dismissed by all and sundry as
a new proof of Russian goofiness. The preferred version said that the hole was drilled by a
Russian worker on the ground, immediately before take-off, as you would expect from inept
Russians.
ORDER IT NOW
However, it is possible that Rogozin was right. I have heard from people in Korolyev
(Russian Houston) a very unusual if unverified story that fits perfectly with the rest of
American toilet gender disorder. The setup is as follows. The ISS has an American, a Russian
and a common compartments, separated but interconnected. (The Russian segment is the docked
spacecraft). There are four astronauts in the Western sector, and two cosmonauts in the Russian
sector. Among the Westerners, there is one lady.
Though the astronauts are carefully checked, still in the space things could run into
uncharted territory. The story from Korolyev says the lady objected to their toilet
arrangements as demeaning for her as a woman, and tried to readjust the equipment to fit her
requirements. The men did their own readjustment and complained about the feminist. In a short
while, the delicate toilet in the Western sector had been broken beyond repair, for nothing is
simple in the space, not even going to loo.
And the big grown men, ex-Navy and ex-Air Force captains and commanders, had been reduced to
use diapers on the daily basis. It is not only unpleasant to use: the ISS has no storage for
such a mass of used and stinking diapers. The Western sector began to stink like Paris streets
or worse.
By that time, the astronauts became mightily upset by the lady's extravagant behaviour, and
they complained: "Houston, we have a problem! Please take her home!" Houston, or NASA, had two
objections to granting their wish. One, diversity and female equality had to be maintained at
all costs. The second objection was money.
Now only the Russians have the means to take astronauts to the station and back home. Though
the US had landed a man on the Moon many years ago, they still have no working shuttle to fly
men to ISS. The inept Russians still have their spacecraft, though their best shuttle The
Buran and their best space station Mir had been dumped during the pro-Western
stage of Russia's political orientation at American insistence. The Americans have to pay a
hefty sum to the Russians for each flight, and evacuation of the virago would punch a hole in
NASA budget, bigger and more painful than the hole in the ISS hulk. That's why Houston replied
breezily: "This is your problem, guys! Try to get along with her!"
The Russian toilet and shower worked fine, and the Americans at first tried to use it. But
after a quarrel (and alas, people forced to live in close quarters are likely to quarrel), the
Russians objected and barred the Western astronauts from their Soyuz. The lady's mental health
deteriorated, and stench and floating excrement made her miserable and vicious; and eventually
her companions decided to implement a smart plan. When the two Russians went out to space for
scheduled work, the Americans made their way to the Russian module (there are no locks in the
ICC) and drilled a hole, sealing it with a sealant and covering with decorative fabric.
It was a creative and working idea. The sealant held on for a while and didn't burst
immediately. The pressure in the station is quite low, only one atmosphere, so the hole didn't
present a mortal danger for the team. If and when the leak were found, it would be possible to
insist on emergency evacuation of the crew, thus getting rid of the troublesome virago and
extricating themselves from the stinky hell while blaming the goofy Russians for the failure.
And the best part of it: the hole is in the section of the Soyuz capsule that is jettisoned
during its return to Earth, thus eliminating all evidence of the foul game.
But the plan didn't work out. The Russians closed the hole with a better epoxy sealant and
refused evacuation. Keep shitting in your diapers, gentlemen! The Western commander jerked into
the Russian module, shouting "I, as a commander, will decide what to do about it", and he tore
off the sealant. The Russians told him: "You are the station commander, but on board the Soyuz
you're just a guest", and they bodily kicked him out and re-sealed the hole.
The cosmonauts reported to Korolyev (the Russian flight control centre), and Korolyev asked
Houston to show them video records from the American module to check who went with the drill to
the Russian module. The Russian sanitary block (and that is where the hole was drilled) isn't
monitored for privacy reasons. Houston refused outright.
The situation on the ISS remains tense; the Russians apparently used force to evict the
Americans who tried to drill more holes. The Americans are unhappy as they have to spend all
their nights and days with the troublesome woman, and their toilet still does not work. Now
they hope that the US will soon be able to send a new all-American commercial private shuttle
to remove them, for NASA is adamant in their refusal to pay Russians for the evacuation, and
the Russians do not want to do this job for free. The latest reports
speak of "whodunit in space" and of Russian cosmonauts planning more examination of the outer
walls.
Thus the feminist-induced gender disorder of the West had almost caused disaster, – if
you believe this story.
Dream on it would take a Henry 8 Lenin and Trotsky type revolution to
get rid of affirmative action.
If it ever happens, the first thing to do would be to put every judge and their families in
some kind of detention center, close down every state and federal courthouse and completely re
write the constitution to give all power to the elected executive and legislative branches.
Every woman and minority organization would have to be treated the way Henry treated the
monasteries and Lenin and Trotsky treated the Russian counterrevolution.
I'd say only White men with 4 grandparents born in the USA be allowed to vote, but the
damage was done between 1964 to 1973 or so by native born American White men.
The feminazis are just fronts for the cannibal capitalists who used them to destroy the
private sector unions, lower wages for everyone and create a docile work force eager to work 80
hours a week for 40 hours wages.
I'd love to be the commissar in charge of ending affirmative action and punishing those who
created and enforce it.
@Mike P We
should focus more on the overall situation than on the technical details of this event. The
calls for Russian retaliation against Israel, while emotionally relatable, ignore one crucial
aspect - any direct Russian attack on Israel, whether retaliatory or not, will inevitably
drag in FUKUS on Israel's side. Thus, if Putins wants to avoid this sort of conflagration, he
can't fight with Israel. This is the reason for his deals with the devil (aka Satanyahoo) -
give the Israelis free reign for going after Iran, as long as they abstain from engaging
Russian troops directly. By and large, Israel has abided by this agreement - until now.
In this situation, what options does Putin have to punish Israel, while still
abstaining from a direct hit? Suspend their right to go after Iran by setting up no-fly
zones, ostensibly for "protecting Russian troops." I'm sure the Iranians will make the most
of this opportunity to further strengthen Hezbollah and their own position in Syria.
Why are the Israelis acting this way? It is clear that they are very, very nervous about
the way things have been going. Despite all their efforts, the Iranian military and Hezbollah
are still there and only growing stronger. Apparently, they feel that time is working against
them and that they cannot look on any longer. Therefore, they are trying now to escalate the
conflict, while hiding behind FUKUS and their (other) terrorist stooges.
If Russian intelligence communications are to be believed, then the terrorist puppets in
Idlib had been preparing for another staged gas attack in Idlib, or rather they had already
staged and filmed it, and they were simply waiting for the most opportune time to publish
their stunt. At the same time, the U.S. were proclaiming that a chemical attack was imminent,
and that it would be considered a casus belli . The Russians did their best to defuse
this situation first by leaking their intelligence about the staging of the attacks; and when
that did not do the trick, by putting the entire Idlib operation on hold via the agreement
with Turkey.
Having been foiled yet again and left without a pretext for stepping up the war, Israel
then resorted to creating this hastily improvised IL20 incident. (It is noticeable, however,
that a French war ship was also on the scene, indicating that this was indeed coordinated
with other governments beforehand.)
Even though the provocation is severe, the strategic situation has not changed - Russia
and Syria are winning, and the only way for Israel to change this is to escalate the war. It
is clear that they want to provoke Russia into shooting from the hip and thus allow herself
to be blamed for such an escalation. It is also clear that Israel again intends to fight the
war to the last American (and European) soldier.
We in the West, who would again be the cannon fodder for such insanity, once more owe a
debt of gratitude to Putin's statesmanship and levelheadedness. It is also noteworthy that
Trump not only abstained from fanning the flames, but also soon after the event stated that
the "Iraq and Afghanistan wars were the worst single mistake ever made in the history of our
country." THIS is the real Trump, and THIS is why the Zio-infested U.S. deep state is trying
so hard to overthrow him. Putin and Trump are trying to preserve peace, while Israel is
pushing for war - as is anyone who is calling for Putin to "man up" and shoot some Israeli
planes out of the sky or similar. "We in the West, who would again be the cannon fodder for
such insanity, once more owe a debt of gratitude to Putin's statesmanship and
levelheadedness."
All that Vladimir Putin is doing is prolonging the inevitable, at a cost of increasing
resentment among Syrian troops, his own military personnel and the Russian people, IMO. The
enemy is not going to stop of their own volition; so the more he turns the other cheek the
more he will be slapped. To quote Paul Craig Roberts (from his latest essay):
"The question before President Putin and the Russian people is whether Russia can be a
sovereign country independent of Washington's control without going to war. My concern is
that unless a hard Russian foot comes down quickly, the only alternatives are Russian
surrender or nuclear war."
"It is also noteworthy that Trump not only abstained from fanning the flames, but also
soon after the event stated that the "Iraq and Afghanistan wars were the worst single mistake
ever made in the history of our country." THIS is the real Trump, and THIS is why the
Zio-infested U.S. deep state is trying so hard to overthrow him."
The real Trump is all talk. He's a liar and a complete fraud. The real Trump had a chance
to get out of Afghanistan and Syria but chose to escalate instead. The real Trump is
apparently a PNAC zionist warmonger who puts the Zionist agenda first and America last. And
the deep state will never try to get rid of such a loyal puppet.
Putin and Trump are trying to preserve peace, while Israel is pushing for war – as
is anyone who is calling for Putin to "man up" and shoot some Israeli planes out of the sky
or similar.
"... It has a cruise speed of about ~600 km/hr, which is 10 km/minute that's at its cruise altitude of 8,000 meters the MoD reported that the airplane was hit while flying at 5,000 m and on its descent to land at Hmeimim ..."
"... Russia has drawn a line in the sand and Israel must grow up (impossible, I know for the chosen people). Unless Russia stands firm and enforces that line in the sand (i.e. Obey. The. Deconfliction. Agreement.), it will not succeed in restoring Syria's sovereignty. Considering that Russia has stated its goal of restoring Syria's full sovereignty over all its territory, it is clear that Russia will do whatever is necessary to achieve this goal. ..."
"... The complicating factor is that IFUKUS is willing to risk a hot war to defeat Russia in its goal. I strongly suspect that Putin will play for as much time as needed to defeat IFUKUS economically to the point where IFUKUS is militarily incapable. Keep in mind, Russia has already determined that IFUKUS is 'agreement incapable.' ..."
"... The Russian Federation faces an enemy that does not recognize any international laws. The only way to stop the predator is by waging a hot war against the "deciders" in the D.C., London, and Tel Aviv. That would result in a massive loss of life in Europe, the Middle East, the US, and in the Russian Federation. The predator, ZUSA, is not able to contain its predatory urges. They high-placed scoundrels begging for being destroyed. But there are also innocent people that will die during the hot war. ..."
"... It is not illogical at all that the US/Israel/EU/UK have sided with radical Islamists (ISIS, Al Qaeda and such) and with banderites (neo-Nazi). The flooding of the EU with the desperate refugees (the victims of the ongoing Wars for Israel) and opportunistic migrants from sub-Saharan Africa (welcome, extraordinary low IQ!) is tearing apart the societal fabric of the EU and makes the war-mongers and war-profiteers even less accountable to vox populi. ..."
One doesn't have to be a Putin or Zionist hater to see with clarity
So, you do then, I assume, have now or had in the past Form 1A clearance to know
how and what Tactical and Operational Manuals describe in terms of setting Air Defense
systems, establishment of communications networks...ah, never mind -- I am sure "Jews The
Almighty" bible of yours gives all necessary answers.
Including describing issues of angular separation of targets, principles of development of
command decisions from tactical to operational level and other irrelevant crap.
Much better reading Harretz than the awe of our two Armchair Marshals, Saker and Martyanov
Do you want me to prove, using you as an example, for all other present here
hysterical non-men, that none of you have any idea of what was and is going on by me merely
introducing a simple tactical-technical parameter which defines tactical reality in any radar
systems. I'll give you hint--it is reported to all military radar operating units (from
ground to the sea) and is logged and accounted for (with proper adjustments in procedures)
every single day, sometimes on 12 hour increments. This factor could be of prime importance,
especially against the background of old S-200 AD complex. Are you game? Then we will compare
who are real "armchair strategists" here.
'Do you want me to prove by me merely introducing a simple tactical-technical parameter
which defines tactical reality in any radar systems against the background of old S-200 AD
complex '
Yes Andrei..I will take you up on your offer to 'prove' to us the 'technical parameters'
that ALLOW THE S200 AND IL20 TO DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS
You see friends, Saker and especially Martyanov are full of crapola
It is IMPOSSIBLE for an S200 which flies at 2.5 kilometers per second and would
cover 100 km in just 40 seconds to have hit an airplane that continued flying for
another ~5 minutes after that close call with the flight of Israeli F16s
Here is the infographic map released by the Russian MoD
The flight path of the F16s is recorded with the dashed blue line the flight of the
Ilyushin Il20 spy plane is recorded in the solid red line [that from the MoD]
I have circled the close encounter point in yellow, with a yellow arrow pointing to it
that is the point where the F16s are supposed to have 'hidden' behind the radar reflection of
the much bigger Ilyushin, and is the ONLY point at which this could possibly occur
But the Ilyushin somehow manages to fly north for another 40 km and even make a 90 degree
east turn to come in to land at Hmeimim a total flight time of around FIVE MINUTES
BUT the S200 cannot fly for FIVE MINUTES
it is one of the fastest SAM rockets in the world, with a flight speed of 2.5 kilometers per
second and would cover 100 kilometers in JUST 40 SECONDS
Its maximum flight time is 150 SECONDS [2.5 MINUTES] IN WHICH TIME IT WOULD COVER ITS
MAXIMUM DISTANCE OF 375 KM
It has a cruise speed of about ~600 km/hr, which is 10 km/minute that's at its cruise
altitude of 8,000 meters the MoD reported that the airplane was hit while flying at 5,000 m
and on its descent to land at Hmeimim
The MoD map clearly shows that the Ilyushin flew north for 40 km after that 'close
encounter' with the F16s and then made another right 90 degree turn back toward the Syria
coast on its final descent back into Hmeimim
Only after making that turn to final was the airplane hit
So we have the airplane flying for FIVE MINUTES AFTER THAT SUPPOSED 'RADAR MASKING' ?
And the S200 which can cover 300 km in TWO MINUTES FLAT was doing what exactly for those
missing THREE MINUTES ?
It was maybe hovering in midair with its engine shut off just waiting for the Ilyushin to
slowly make its way to the point 40 km from the 'radar masking'..before it decided to turn
its engine back on and then come and hit the Ilyushin ?
It is a matter of simple flight physics the official story is IMPOSSIBLE
If an S200 was even launched, it would have been from a range of probably 100 km so it
would have got to the Ilyushin in under a minute from that close encounter point
The Ilyushin in that one minute would have been able to fly for maybe 10 km AT MOST and
would have come down where I have place the red arrow on the map
Now I have seen many commenters here ridiculing Saker and Martyanov and that is completely
warranted Saker has no technical credentials whatsoever, in either physics or mathematics he
has made that abundantly clear over the course of hundreds of thousands of words of fluff
Martyanov at least has a bona fide military education, but he also does not seem to think
much about basic physics he has some explaining to do here as to why he is pushing the
'official' story
Folks the fact of the matter is that 'official' information is often a blatant lie we all
know that for those who have some relevant expertise in technical matters such as flight
physics, it is not so easy to pull the wool over our eyes
Remember when Turkey shot down that Russian Su24 ground attack jet in November 2015 ?
there was a lot of discussion at the time as to the claim from the Turkish side about the
Sukhoi flying through Turkish airspace for 17 seconds
At the time PCR picked up on the debate, it revolved around the physical possibility of
the Sukhoi flying that slow as to remain in Turkish airspace for so long, while covering a
very short distance the debate among the laypeople revolved around the aerodynamic 'stall'
speed of the Sukhoi ie the minimum flying speed of the airplane
I mentioned to PCR that the debate was nonsensical and explained a couple of pertinent
basics of the flight physics involved PCR encouraged me to expand that into an article, which
he graciously
published on his website
We have a similar situation here it is important to figure out what is and what is not
physically possible
Martyyanov especially, and of course Saker, are trying to tell us here that it was all a
mistake as Putin said that the 'old' S200 took down a state of the art electronic warfare
airplane, with 15 very highly trained specialists on board a HUGE LOSS
Now I will say here that Putin has a good reason to take this action and not reveal
what actually happened and I will get to that in a minute
But let us first consider some peripheral facts surrounding this entire incident it is
probable that the downed 'Il20′ was in fact the latest, modernized iteration of this
electronic intelligence aircraft, the
Il22PP, which entered into service two years ago
This is in keeping with the MoD's stated practice of subjecting Russia's latest and most
sophisticated weapons systems to actual combat conditions in Syria even Putin has said that
much has been learned,both good and bad, in Syria, and that fixing these deficiencies is
possible only due to the opportunity to deploy these systems in Syria
Now if we assume that this was in fact that state of the art Il22PP [we are speculating
here, but it is a solid assumption] then one must ask how careful the entire Russian
contingent in Syria would be with such a valuable asset ?
How is it possible that while this airplane is in the air that 'Syrian' air defense
commanders are shooting willy-nilly at a chunk of airspace where at this very moment this
extremely valuable aircraft is flying ?
How stupid does this sound on its face ?
Now we have already proved that the 'radar masking' story is physically impossible, due to
the respective flight speeds of the Ilyushin turboprop and the S200 rocket
That means that the S200 would have to have been launched when THERE WAS NO RADAR MASKING
ie the Ilyushin would have been very close to the point where it was shot down which is 40 km
away from the 'close encounter' site
So now we are supposed to believe that the Syrian air defense crews, which somehow are
acting independently while supposedly 'integrated' with the Russian air defense staff that
they have now targeted the Ilyushin WHILE IT IS FLYING ALONE WITH NOTHING NEARBY ?
Again, I ask Martyanov here to explain this especially in light of his dismissive comment
to others objecting here, and citing his vast knowledge of radar systems
How is it possible that this Ilyushin was targeted by an S200 when it was nowhere near
those F16s at that moment as the laws of physics require ?
Of course I realize that he cannot rebut these questions in any way shape or form he is
caught again with his pants down
Now let us consider some more relevant facts on that night the Russian MoD stated clearly
two additional piece of information
1 the French frigate Auvergne was nearby the Ilyushin flight, as depicted on the map, and
was in fact recorded firing missiles
2 British jets were also in the air, with their transponders turned on making it possible
to track them even with civilian ATC radar
Now we also know that a number of Russian ships were in that area at the time, and still
are and are in fact this entire week conducting live fire drills more on that in a moment
Those ships also have sophisticated radar and also infrared sensors which picked up the
missile firing from the French ship
Besides that we have the Beriev A50U AWACS aircraft in Syria..and it
is safe to assume that they would have been in the air at the time of the Ilyushin flight
At the same time, we also know that the US is flying the high altitude U2 spy plane out of Akrotiri
So there is a lot of cat and mouse going on between Nato and Russia in the area all the
more reason to seriously doubt that a Syrian S200 would shoot down such an important flight
as the Ilyushin we notice also the flight path of the Ilyushin it first flew a circuit over
Idlib, then, instead of coming in to land directly at Hmeimim, the airplane continued out
over the Med for about 40 km off the coast of Syria, well outside the Syrian territorial
airspace why ?
Perhaps because the Ilyushin might have been gathering data and perhaps engaging in
electronic interference of those Nato ships and aircraft in the area ?
We do not know but if it was doing something like that, the flight would have had the
utmost security attached to it it would be unthinkable for a Syrian SAM to take a shot at
that airplane
So why the ruse on the part of Putin and the Russians ?
Let's first examine who had the opportunity to down that Ilyushin the French ship firing
missiles [what kind of missiles surface to air...?...the frigate is equipped with very
capable Aster SAMs... ]
And also the British aircraft in the air at the time and flying out of Akrotiri there are
9 Eurofighter Typhoons there, equipped with long range air to air AIM120 radar guided missiles and also 10
Tornados equipped with shorter range heat seeking AIM9x
Now since we know already that the only way an S200 could have shot down the Ilyushin
would be if it fired practically intentionally at a high value friendly aircraft flying with
no enemy aircraft nearby it would seem at least as probable that the missile that brought
down the Ilyushin could have been fired by a French ship or a British airplane
[The Israeli jets could not have fired at the Ilyushin, since they were flying in the
opposite direction at the time the airplane was hit...and it is impossible to aim a missile
at a target behind your airplane...]
At this point, having made some logical physical observations and built up a situational
picture of what and who was there at the time, it seems much more likely that the French or
British brought down the Ilyushin with the Israelis playing a supporting role to cause
confusion and 'fog of war'
Now we examine another clue this one coming just 24 hours after the Ilyushin was shot down
namely the massive Russian live fire naval exercises in the exact area of the Med where all
the action took place here is a look at the NOTAM
published by the Cyprus Civil Aviation Authority
Is this air exclusion zone the Russians have enacted in a semi-ring around the RAF
Akrotiri air base a clue ?
I leave it to readers to make their own judgements
Now let us consider the question of why Putin is not saying anything about possible
British or French involvement in the shooting down of the valuable Ilyushin electronic
warfare aircraft
First what purpose would it serve to now come out and accuse two Nato countries of an act
of war ?
Is not this kind of escalation exactly what Nato is looking to provoke in Syria ?
Is Putin supposed to now declare war on Nato ?
Or does it make more sense to blame Israel because Israel is the only party that can be
proved to have been doing something illegal at the time ie bombing a sovereign country [an
illegal act of aggression] and at the same time trampling all the protocol and agreements in
place between Russia and Israel on the matter of Israeli operations against 'Iranian' forces
in Syria ?
We must remember here that Putin is interested in only one thing in Syria that is to
defeat the West's regime change project
The West on the other hand is trying to do everything possible to provoke Russia into a
military response, that would then lead to escalation and a possible shooting war
Let us recall that the US twice launched cruise missile strikes against Syria in the last
year in the last attack back in April, the French and British also participated no response
came from Russia
In 2015, Turkey shot down a Russian jet so how much of a stretch is it to think that
Britain and France [together with Israel playing a supporting role] decided to shoot down the
Russian spy plane ?
Now Russia holding its fire makes perfect sense and is the smart thing to do, in spite of
how bad these provocations look for one thing Russia even turning on its air defense systems
to shoot down US and Nato or Israeli missiles would give the opponent valuable information
about how the Russian AD systems operate this is very valuable tactical information
Russia is better served not firing its systems unnecessarily because when it does, the
enemy will have little chance to calculate an escape
As things stand now no one can defend Israel's actions on that night Israel realizes that
Russia is very angry and Israel must now alter its behavior as to bombing Syria Russia will
also take steps to increase the security of all Russian assets in Syria there will not be a
repeat performance of this carefully planned ambush of the Ilyushin
As for retribution for whoever it was that pulled the trigger on that Ilyushin I think
Putin realizes that revenge is a dish best served cold two can play the game of 'accidents'
happening
Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to
be gained; fight not unless the position is critical.
No ruler should put troops into the field merely to gratify his own spleen; no general
should fight a battle simply out of pique.
If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you are.
Anger may in time change to gladness; vexation may be succeeded by content.
But a kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the
dead ever be brought back to life.
Hence the enlightened ruler is heedful, and the good general full of caution. This is
the way to keep a country at peace and an army intact.
'An investigation is underway to establish what exactly happened when the
Ilyushin IL-20 reconnaissance plane was shot down on Monday night, as it was coming into
land at the Russian airbase at Hmeimim in northwest Syria. The plane was lost some 20 kms
off the Syrian coast, with all 15 service onboard killed.
There appears to have been an accidental shoot-down by Syrian air defenses using
an outdated Soviet-made S-200 system.'
So this semi-official organ of Russian media is not so sure as our two resident 'experts'
here and any comments that question their 'authority' are unceremoniously dismissed
Looking forward to hearing back from Martyanov on this
I'm not completely convinced about the Russian MoD's interpretation of events as one of the
F16s hiding behind the I-20. I think they stretched that part up because of their
anger and embarrassment. The bottom line is that Russia has itself to blame because
- Russia and Syria use different IFF systems "and Israel knows". It is reckless for them to
have uncoordinated IFF with Syrian air-defense and even more reckless to have divulged this
to Israel. If fact, even assuming Syria had its own S-400 instead of S-200, it would still be
totally reckless for them not to coordinate IFF.
- Russia did not fire its S-400 to shoot down the F-16s. Even after they knew the I-20 was
down, 20 minutes after -- they politely asked the F-16s to vacate, which they only did 13
minutes later.
This is a wake-up call that Russia is pursuing an untenable policy in Syria by trying to
be friends with opposing sides of a war and having its armed forces in the middle, while
prohibiting them from fully using their weapons to defend themselves. Just as they portray
Israel as hiding behind Russian aircraft, Hezbullah can be portrayed as hiding behind the
nearby Russian airbase so that Israel gets in trouble trying to attack there. If Russia
declares a no-fly-zone around its base that's incentive for Iran and/or Hezbullah to put its
bases there.
Russia needs to either get out of Syria or choose sides and stick with its allies.
@Bill65
Can The Saker tell us what right Israel has to bomb targets in Syria ? The Russians were
invited in to save Syria as were the Iranians and Hezbollah but Israel is on the side of the
attackers of Syria . What right? The right of self defense. The establishment of Iranian
bases in Syria is a mortal danger for us, the secret Syrian nuclear reactor was a potential
catastrophe for everybody. Technically we have been in war with Syria for the last seventy
years.
@OilcanFloyd
The Soviets didn't go to war with the U.S. over Syria and Israel 50 years ago, and I don't
think the Russians will now. Israel is pretty much confined to beating up on defenseless
Palestinians and invading the mostly undefended airspace of its immediate neighbors. Russia
seems to have the situation in Syria under control, and attacking Israel would be the
quickest way to have a war with the U.S., which Putin says he doesn't want.
One aircraft and its crew is apparently a price the Russians are willing to pay in a proxy
war with the U.S. What happened 50 years ago has little bearing on today.
Russia's blinkered present position in Syria makes little sense and is unsustainable.
Basically it seems to be saying that it will fight Syria's enemies when they are the
western/Israeli proxy armies but it will not defend Syrian airspace against attacks which
emanate from the very same sources. This naked air aggression, it seems, is approved by
agreements with Israel and perhaps also some others. We have now seen the results of this
approach and it has meant the needless Russian deaths, both in the air and on the ground.
The defenders of the status quo tell us that Russia won't defend Syrian airspace, as this
might lead to WW3. The same could be much more justifiably said about NATO/Israel and their
attacks on Syria, but magically the aggressors have been absolved from this responsibility,
as it is not their concern. Strangely, only Russia has the duty of preventing global war, so
it must always turn the other cheek, no matter the provocation. If Russia continues on this
path, it is finished and may as well surrender right now.
@Mr M. I
do believe it was a deliberate attempt by Israel to get a Russian plane shot down.
The biggest problem Israel and the Zionist Socialist USA faces when it comes to destroying
Syria for the sake of making Israel greater again, is Russia. So long as Russia is allied
with Syria the western client states of Israel can't invade and destroy this hated enemy of
Jews.
Likewise, Russia can't attack Israel for what it does in Syria, because that would bring
down the whole western world in retaliation and start off WWIII before the time is right.
No, I think this was a poorly planned and clumsy attempt at creating a false flag attack
in the form of luring Syria into shooting down a Russia plane in an attempt to cause a
diplomatic crisis between Syria and Russia that would end with Russia leaving Syria to be
destroyed the Israel and its client states of the US/UK and the rest of the bullied Nato
states.
It most likely failed because someone did not get informed and that someone had the brain
power required to grab the phone and tell the Russians at the last minute because they saw
that chances of the plan backfiring was too great to even think about it.
I do believe it was a deliberate attempt by Israel to get a Russian plane shot down.
After reading the MoD briefing notes, it is more likely that it was another example of
Israeli arrogance and immaturity that will have consequences Israel will find most
unpleasant.
The biggest problem Israel and the Zionist Socialist USA faces when it comes to
destroying Syria for the sake of making Israel greater again, is Russia. So long as Russia
is allied with Syria the western client states of Israel can't invade and destroy this
hated enemy of Jews.
The biggest problem Israel and the Neocons face is their own delusion that they have the
right and the power to decide that they have any options regarding Syria. The world does not
need Israel.
Likewise, Russia can't attack Israel for what it does in Syria, because that would bring
down the whole western world in retaliation and start off WWIII before the time is
right.
Russia can draw lines in the sand that represent Russian self-interest as well as the
interests of other nations Russia deems important to the success of its Syria project. Russia
can attack Israel when it crosses one of these lines. Allowing Iran to build a facility in
Latakia was one of these lines, and Israel crossed it, stupidly I might add.
No, I think this was a poorly planned and clumsy attempt at creating a false flag attack
in the form of luring Syria into shooting down a Russia plane in an attempt to cause a
diplomatic crisis between Syria and Russia that would end with Russia leaving Syria to be
destroyed the Israel and its client states of the US/UK and the rest of the bullied Nato
states.
It merely another example of the sort of immature provocations Israel engages in on a
daily basis. Remember, they are the chosen people and they can do whatever they want.
It most likely failed because someone did not get informed and that someone had the
brain power required to grab the phone and tell the Russians at the last minute because
they saw that chances of the plan backfiring was too great to even think about it.
What failed was not a false-flag attack, but rather a long-standing practice of treating
Russia as a second class nation.
Sometimes you have to draw a clear boundary. After watching the MoD briefing (excerpts),
it is clear that Russia has been extremely accommodating to Israel's quasi-legitimate
interests. In return, an adult nation would honor Russia's decision to allow Iranians to
build a factory near to its airport.
Think of the consequences. The key to winning this conflict means the foreign nationals
must feel safe inside the borders of Syria. It is no excuse that Iran and Hezbollah have
challenged Israel militarily. Israel has challenged these countries militarily, too. For
Russia to allow any nation to dictate to Syria and Russia who may or may not have a presence
inside Syria is to admit that Russia will not achieve the goal of full sovereignty for Syria
over Syrian territory.
Russia has already announced plans to build an automobile factory in Syria. Recall my
earlier assertion that Syria will be the western terminus of the New Silk Road; the key to
Syria's full recovery will be China's investment. Can Russia allow Israel to decide that
China is not allowed to build factories wherever Syria allows it to build? The answer is
obviously NO.
Russia has drawn a line in the sand and Israel must grow up (impossible, I know for
the chosen people). Unless Russia stands firm and enforces that line in the sand (i.e. Obey.
The. Deconfliction. Agreement.), it will not succeed in restoring Syria's sovereignty.
Considering that Russia has stated its goal of restoring Syria's full sovereignty over all
its territory, it is clear that Russia will do whatever is necessary to achieve this
goal.
The complicating factor is that IFUKUS is willing to risk a hot war to defeat Russia
in its goal. I strongly suspect that Putin will play for as much time as needed to defeat
IFUKUS economically to the point where IFUKUS is militarily incapable. Keep in mind, Russia
has already determined that IFUKUS is 'agreement incapable.'
'Do you want me to prove...by me merely introducing a simple tactical-technical parameter
which defines tactical reality in any radar systems...against the background of old S-200
AD complex...'
Yes...Andrei..I will take you up on your offer to 'prove' to us the 'technical
parameters' that ALLOW THE S200 AND IL20 TO DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS...
You see friends, Saker and especially Martyanov are full of crapola...
It is IMPOSSIBLE for an S200 which flies at 2.5 kilometers per second and would
cover 100 km in just 40 seconds... to have hit an airplane that continued flying for
another ~5 minutes after that close call with the flight of Israeli F16s...
Here is the infographic map released by the Russian MoD...
The flight path of the F16s is recorded with the dashed blue line...the flight of the
Ilyushin Il20 spy plane is recorded in the solid red line...[that from the MoD]
I have circled the close encounter point in yellow, with a yellow arrow pointing to
it...that is the point where the F16s are supposed to have 'hidden' behind the radar
reflection of the much bigger Ilyushin, and is the ONLY point at which this could
possibly occur...
But the Ilyushin somehow manages to fly north for another 40 km...and even make a 90
degree east turn to come in to land at Hmeimim...a total flight time of around FIVE
MINUTES...
BUT the S200 cannot fly for FIVE
MINUTES...it is one of the fastest SAM rockets in the world, with a flight speed of 2.5
kilometers per second and would cover 100 kilometers in JUST 40 SECONDS...
Its maximum flight time is 150 SECONDS [2.5 MINUTES]...IN WHICH TIME IT WOULD COVER ITS
MAXIMUM DISTANCE OF 375 KM...
It has a cruise speed of about ~600 km/hr, which is 10 km/minute...that's at its cruise
altitude of 8,000 meters...the MoD reported that the airplane was hit while flying at 5,000 m
and on its descent to land at Hmeimim...
The MoD map clearly shows that the Ilyushin flew north for 40 km after that 'close
encounter' with the F16s...and then made another right 90 degree turn back toward the Syria
coast on its final descent back into Hmeimim...
Only after making that turn to final was the airplane hit...
So we have the airplane flying for FIVE MINUTES AFTER THAT SUPPOSED 'RADAR
MASKING'...?
And the S200 which can cover 300 km in TWO MINUTES FLAT was doing what exactly for those
missing THREE MINUTES...?
It was maybe hovering in midair with its engine shut off...just waiting for the Ilyushin
to slowly make its way to the point 40 km from the 'radar masking'..before it decided to turn
its engine back on and then come and hit the Ilyushin...?
It is a matter of simple flight physics...the official story is IMPOSSIBLE...
If an s200 was even launched, it would have been from a range of probably 100 km... so it
would have got to the Ilyushin in under a minute from that close encounter point...
The Ilyushin in that one minute would have been able to fly for maybe 10 km AT MOST...and
would have come down where I have place the red arrow on the map...
Now I have seen many commenters here ridiculing Saker and Martyanov and that is completely
warranted...Saker has no technical credentials whatsoever, in either physics or
mathematics...he has made that abundantly clear over the course of hundreds of thousands of
words of fluff...
Martyanov at least has a bona fide military education, but he also does not seem to think
much about basic physics...he has some explaining to do here as to why he is pushing the
'official' story...
Folks...the fact of the matter is that 'official' information is often a blatant lie...we
all know that...for those who have some relevant expertise in technical matters such as
flight physics, it is not so easy to pull the wool over our eyes...
Remember when Turkey shot down that Russian Su24 ground attack jet in November
2015...?...there was a lot of discussion at the time as to the claim from the Turkish side
about the Sukhoi flying through Turkish airspace for 17 seconds...
At the time PCR picked up on the debate, it revolved around the physical possibility of
the Sukhoi flying that slow as to remain in Turkish airspace for so long, while covering a
very short distance...the debate among the laypeople revolved around the aerodynamic 'stall'
speed of the Sukhoi...ie the minimum flying speed of the airplane...
I mentioned to PCR that the debate was nonsensical and explained a couple of pertinent
basics of the flight physics involved...PCR encouraged me to expand that into an article,
which he graciously
published on his website...
We have a similar situation here...it is important to figure out what is and what is not
physically possible...
Martyyanov especially, and of course Saker, are trying to tell us here that it was all a
mistake as Putin said...that the 'old' S200 took down a state of the art electronic warfare
airplane, with 15 very highly trained specialists on board...a HUGE LOSS...
Now I will say here that Putin has a good reason to take this action and not reveal
what actually happened...and I will get to that in a minute...
But let us first consider some peripheral facts surrounding this entire incident...it is
probable that the downed 'Il20' was in fact the latest, modernized iteration of this
electronic intelligence aircraft, the
Il22PP, which entered into service two years ago...
This is in keeping with the MoD's stated practice of subjecting Russia's latest and most
sophisticated weapons systems to actual combat conditions in Syria...even Putin has said that
much has been learned,both good and bad, in Syria, and that fixing these deficiencies is
possible only due to the opportunity to deploy these systems in Syria...
Now if we assume that this was in fact that state of the art Il22PP [we are speculating
here, but it is a solid assumption]...then one must ask how careful the entire Russian
contingent in Syria would be with such a valuable asset...?
How is it possible that while this airplane is in the air that 'Syrian' air defense
commanders are shooting willy-nilly at a chunk of airspace where at this very moment this
extremely valuable aircraft is flying...?
How stupid does this sound on its face...?
Now we have already proved that the 'radar masking' story is physically impossible, due to
the respective flight speeds of the Ilyushin turboprop and the S200 rocket...
That means that the S200 would have to have been launched when THERE WAS NO RADAR
MASKING...ie the Ilyushin would have been very close to the point where it was shot
down...which is 40 km away from the 'close encounter' site...
So now we are supposed to believe that the Syrian air defense crews, which somehow are
acting independently while supposedly 'integrated' with the Russian air defense staff...that
they have now targeted the Ilyushin WHILE IT IS FLYING ALONE WITH NOTHING NEARBY...?
Again, I ask Martyanov here to explain this...especially in light of his dismissive
comment to others objecting here, and citing his vast knowledge of radar systems...
How is it possible that this Ilyushin was targeted by an S200 when it was nowhere near
those F16s at that moment...as the laws of physics require...?
Of course I realize that he cannot rebut these questions in any way shape or form...he is
caught again with his pants down...
Now let us consider some more relevant facts on that night...the Russian MoD stated
clearly two additional piece of information...
1...the French frigate Auvergne was nearby the Ilyushin flight, as depicted on the map,
and was in fact recorded firing missiles...
2...British jets were also in the air, with their transponders turned on...making it
possible to track them even with civilian ATC radar...
Now we also know that a number of Russian ships were in that area at the time, and still
are...and are in fact this entire week conducting live fire drills...more on that in a
moment...
Those ships also have sophisticated radar and also infrared sensors which picked up the
missile firing from the French ship...
Besides that we have the Beriev A50U AWACS aircraft in Syria..and it
is safe to assume that they would have been in the air at the time of the Ilyushin
flight...
At the same time, we also know that the US is flying the high altitude U2 spy plane out of Akrotiri...
So there is a lot of cat and mouse going on between Nato and Russia in the area...all the
more reason to seriously doubt that a Syrian S200 would shoot down such an important flight
as the Ilyushin...we notice also the flight path of the Ilyushin...it first flew a circuit
over Idlib, then, instead of coming in to land directly at Hmeimim, the airplane continued
out over the Med for about 40 km off the coast of Syria, well outside the Syrian territorial
airspace...why...?
Perhaps because the Ilyushin might have been gathering data and perhaps engaging in
electronic interference of those Nato ships and aircraft in the area...?
We do not know...but if it was doing something like that, the flight would have had the
utmost security attached to it...it would be unthinkable for a Syrian SAM to take a shot at
that airplane...
So why the ruse on the part of Putin and the Russians...?
Let's first examine who had the opportunity to down that Ilyushin...the French ship firing
missiles [what kind of missiles surface to air...?...the frigate is equipped with very
capable Aster SAMs... ]
And also the British aircraft in the air at the time and flying out of Akrotiri...there
are 9 Eurofighter Typhoons there, equipped with long range air to air AIM120 radar guided missiles... and
also 10 Tornados equipped with shorter range heat seeking AIM9x...
Now since we know already that the only way an S200 could have shot down the Ilyushin
would be if it fired practically intentionally at a high value friendly aircraft flying with
no enemy aircraft nearby...it would seem at least as probable that the missile that brought
down the Ilyushin could have been fired by a French ship or a British airplane...
[The Israeli jets could not have fired at the Ilyushin, since they were flying in the
opposite direction at the time the airplane was hit...and it is impossible to aim a missile
at a target behind your airplane...]
At this point, having made some logical physical observations and built up a situational
picture of what and who was there at the time, it seems much more likely that the French or
British brought down the Ilyushin...with the Israelis playing a supporting role to cause
confusion and 'fog of war'...
Now we examine another clue...this one coming just 24 hours after the Ilyushin was shot
down...namely the massive Russian live fire naval exercises in the exact area of the Med
where all the action took place...here is a look at the NOTAM
published by the Cyprus Civil Aviation Authority...
Is this air exclusion zone the Russians have enacted in a semi-ring around the RAF
Akrotiri air base a clue...?
I leave it to readers to make their own judgements...
Now let us consider the question of why Putin is not saying anything about possible
British or French involvement in the shooting down of the valuable Ilyushin electronic
warfare aircraft...
First...what purpose would it serve to now come out and accuse two Nato countries of an
act of war...?
Is not this kind of escalation exactly what Nato is looking to provoke in Syria...?
Is Putin supposed to now declare war on Nato...?
Or does it make more sense to blame Israel because Israel is the only party that can be
proved to have been doing something illegal at the time...ie bombing a sovereign country [an
illegal act of aggression]...and at the same time trampling all the protocol and agreements
in place between Russia and Israel on the matter of Israeli operations against 'Iranian'
forces in Syria...?
We must remember here that Putin is interested in only one thing in Syria...that is to
defeat the West's regime change project
The West on the other hand is trying to do everything possible to provoke Russia into a
military response, that would then lead to escalation and a possible shooting war...
Let us recall that the US twice launched cruise missile strikes against Syria in the last
year...in the last attack back in April, the French and British also participated...no
response came from Russia...
In 2015, Turkey shot down a Russian jet...so how much of a stretch is it to think that
Britain and France [together with Israel playing a supporting role] decided to shoot down the
Russian spy plane...?
Now Russia holding its fire makes perfect sense and is the smart thing to do, in spite of
how bad these provocations look...for one thing Russia even turning on its air defense
systems to shoot down US and Nato or Israeli missiles would give the opponent valuable
information about how the Russian AD systems operate...this is very valuable tactical
information...
Russia is better served not firing its systems unnecessarily...because when it does, the
enemy will have little chance to calculate an escape...
As things stand now...no one can defend Israel's actions on that night...Israel realizes
that Russia is very angry and Israel must now alter its behavior as to bombing Syria...Russia
will also take steps to increase the security of all Russian assets in Syria...there will not
be a repeat performance of this carefully planned ambush of the Ilyushin...
As for retribution for whoever it was that pulled the trigger on that Ilyushin...I think
Putin realizes that revenge is a dish best served cold...two can play the game of 'accidents'
happening...
Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be
gained; fight not unless the position is critical.
No ruler should put troops into the field merely to gratify his own spleen; no general
should fight a battle simply out of pique.
If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you are.
Anger may in time change to gladness; vexation may be succeeded by content.
But a kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the
dead ever be brought back to life.
Hence the enlightened ruler is heedful, and the good general full of caution. This is
the way to keep a country at peace and an army intact.
'An investigation is underway to establish what exactly happened when the Ilyushin
IL-20 reconnaissance plane was shot down on Monday night, as it was coming into land at the
Russian airbase at Hmeimim in northwest Syria. The plane was lost some 20 kms off the
Syrian coast, with all 15 service onboard killed.
There appears to have been an accidental shoot-down by Syrian air defenses using
an outdated Soviet-made S-200 system.'
So this semi-official organ of Russian media is not so sure as our two resident
'experts' here...and any comments that question their 'authority' are unceremoniously
dismissed...
Looking forward to hearing back from Martyanov on this... A very interesting take
indeed.
The french frigate seems to no longer be mentioned at all in official statements. Macron
Control must have the full tapes, wonder whether these will appear at some point.
The Russian military has now conclusively established that the Israelis were responsible for
this disaster. They made that conclusion based on the objective evidence. If that evidence
showed something differently, they would have drawn a different conclusion. They have no
convincing reason to lie about it.
The Russians should now declare a no-fly zone over all of Syria and its territorial
waters, not only for Israel but for America and NATO as well. If the Israelis repeat this
act, their planes should be shot down and the air base from which they took off should be
bombed and destroyed. Israel would do nothing to retaliate. It risks total destruction if it
does.
Nor would America do anything. In fact, the Russians could shoot down American aircraft
and even sink American ships. The Americans will not be involved in a war with Russia.
America does not get into wars with countries that have nuclear weapons and the means to
deliver them to the continental United States. The only time America would use its nuclear
weapons is if its homeland is attacked with nuclear weapons. That is why countries like
Russia, China and North Korea need not fear America and why America will not attack them
militarily.
In other words the lives of American servicemen are not worth the destruction of the
continental United States. The first principle of American foreign policy is the prevention
of a nuclear war. That is what American foreign policy is based on.
@pyrrhus
The USA pretended that the Liberty attack didn't happen because LBJ wanted campaign money
from (((you know who)))...and of course, LBJ and Admiral McCain, who did the coverup, were
two of the worst criminals ever to occupy the upper ranks of the Deep State. "Putin and Trump
are trying to preserve peace, while Israel is pushing for war -- as is anyone who is calling
for Putin to "man up" and shoot some Israeli planes out of the sky or similar."
-- Agree. Israelis live by terrorism.
Thank you, sir, for your superb comment. I read and reread it several times, the only
useful comment on the entire thread. I too noticed at the very beginning the Russian military
announced it had detected a missile launch from the French warship, and I could not square
this fact with the S200 shoot down story, but being merely a layman in military affairs I had
to watch and wait for someone with knowledge and a brain to weigh in. Again, thank you.
Don't hold your breath waiting to hear from the two posers The Faker and Martyanov.
Aaron Hilel says: September 23, 2018 at 9:40 pm GMT • 200 Words
@VICB3
Yes, well as you said a war is a dark room easily entered, but full of unknown danger. US
does not need to lose an expensive carrier and thousands of sailors to start one.
Imo Israel will never, ever permit US to start an all-out war with Russia, as Israel is a
very small country, with extremely fragile, tightly packed population – which in case
of nuclear escalation would take 80%+ losses. Look at it this way – the core of jewish
power is concentrated in big cities, especially NY and Londonistan – and Israel. Russia
and US can absorb a more or less limited nuclear exchange – the Jews, as a people,
cannot.
In the current idiotic and useless war on Syria the Russians will lose soldiers, pilots,
planes – it has no bearing on the outcome. The Russians and more precisely VV Putin
will win this war in time, and Israel will suffer a strategic defeat ranging from minor
(negotiations with Assad and polite expulsion of Hezbollah) to cataclysmic (creation of Shia
crescent and fall of Iraq into Iranian sphere).
If you prefer a comparison to WW 2 , look at it as summer 1943 – everyone with a
pulse in German OKH knew that the war is lost and yet how many hundreds of thousands of
Russian soldiers had to die to arrive in Berlin?
@Hindsight
I have great respect for Mr. Saker. But this analysis makes me wonder, what has made him to
come up with such a forced explanation. It's more of an apology than an objective
analysis.
I wish he could stay objective to remain relevant. " .a forced explanation. It's more of an
apology than an objective analysis."
– What shall Saker tell you? -- That zionists have zero dignity? That mega
war-profiteers among "deciders" want more wars? That the US has been drowning in debt and
that the US/UK financial sector would not survive without a major war? These are well-known
facts.
The Russian Federation faces an enemy that does not recognize any international laws. The
only way to stop the predator is by waging a hot war against the "deciders" in the D.C.,
London, and Tel Aviv. That would result in a massive loss of life in Europe, the Middle East,
the US, and in the Russian Federation. The predator, ZUSA, is not able to contain its
predatory urges. They high-placed scoundrels begging for being destroyed. But there are also
innocent people that will die during the hot war.
The European civilization has developed many important mechanisms for protecting both the
individuals and the world peace. The ZUSA, the UK and the Jewish State have decided to end
the European civilization and establish a New World Order.
It is not illogical at all that the US/Israel/EU/UK have sided with radical Islamists
(ISIS, Al Qaeda and such) and with banderites (neo-Nazi). The flooding of the EU with the
desperate refugees (the victims of the ongoing Wars for Israel) and opportunistic migrants
from sub-Saharan Africa (welcome, extraordinary low IQ!) is tearing apart the societal fabric
of the EU and makes the war-mongers and war-profiteers even less accountable to vox
populi.
What should Russians do? The more time they buy, the better the outcome for the humanity
at large.
Has Russia given up on the West? In a word -- Yes, Yes and Yes.
You can find this from a few sources. The Editor -- in -- Chief of RT and Sputnik News,
Marguerite Simonyan, wrote an article not that long ago, addressed directly to you. To The
"West". To the Anglo Fascist Empire. To America. "We came to you in friendship and
admiration" she said, in effect, "and you have done nothing but abuse us, mock us, spit on us
Well, to hell with you. We used to admire you. Now we dont. We used to want to be like you.
Now, we dont".
In a speech also, although I'm sorry I cannot remember which one, President Putin also
said, in effect "we made every effort to be friends. We thought the Cold War 1 was due to
ideology -- to Communism. When that was dismantled and dropped by Russia, we thought you
would accept our outstretched hand of friendship. To quote a Russian poem , we believed you
"would to us the sword present" But you didn't. You abused our country, destroyed our
industries, our pride, even, for a short while, our sovereignty. [During the 1990's "Shock
and Awe" economic destruction of Russia].
We were prepared to forgive this and still try and work with you, but you have done
nothing but tell lies about us, abuse us, pile on sanctions, and steal our properties. Now,
we have done. We have made our minds up, and there is no going back. We will do what we need
to make our country grow, to be strong and happy. You can do what you want. Frankly, we dont
care any more".
Once a few years back, in a small Russian town, an enterprising garage sold door mats with
the American flag on them, for people to wipe their feet. They sold out in hours. However, it
was a momentary rage and Russians are very decent, kindly people. I think they have not
repeated that moment of anger.
But if you watch Vesti English -- excerpts are on YouTube -- watch "60 minutes", watch
Vecher "or Evening" excerpts, watch Kislyak, the popular presenters. See how they talk to
Russia in that critical hour after workers get home and have diner and watch an evening hour
of current affairs.
They show every lie, every manipulation, every example of American aggression, and they
laugh at every American stupidity.
They are nice people, and if you go there as an American citizen, they will be kind to
you. But when it comes to nations, and international trust -- they've had it with you.
They've turned their back. And you brought it on yourselves. As the Russian saying goes "as
you return my hand extended to you, so will I return your action"
As shown in this article, there is a little-discussed unintended consequence of the
anti-Russia sanctions that could significantly impact some U.S. consumers:
It appears that Putin is impotent to stand up to the Brussels -- Washington D.C. -- Jerusalem
-- Berlin Axis of Evil. Could that be construed as evidence that the Axis is such a
formidable iron fortress that even a tough guy like Putin can't put a dent in it?
If Russia and China don't collaborate soon, then the Axis will have complete, heavy handed
global domination, replete with policies and infrastructure to make certain it is perpetually
unchallenged.
Seems to me that I read something about this in the Bible.
@Isabella
Has Russia given up on the West? In a word - Yes, Yes and Yes.
You can find this from a few sources. The Editor - in - Chief of RT and Sputnik News,
Marguerite Simonyan, wrote an article not that long ago, addressed directly to you. To The
"West". To the Anglo Fascist Empire. To America. "We came to you in friendship and
admiration" she said, in effect, "and you have done nothing but abuse us, mock us, spit on us
Well, to hell with you. We used to admire you. Now we dont. We used to want to be like you.
Now, we dont".
In a speech also, although I'm sorry I cannot remember which one, President Putin also
said, in effect "we made every effort to be friends. We thought the Cold War 1 was due to
ideology - to Communism. When that was dismantled and dropped by Russia, we thought you would
accept our outstretched hand of friendship. To quote a Russian poem , we believed you "would
to us the sword present" But you didn't. You abused our country, destroyed our industries,
our pride, even, for a short while, our sovereignty. [During the 1990's "Shock and Awe"
economic destruction of Russia].
We were prepared to forgive this and still try and work with you, but you have done
nothing but tell lies about us, abuse us, pile on sanctions, and steal our properties. Now,
we have done. We have made our minds up, and there is no going back. We will do what we need
to make our country grow, to be strong and happy. You can do what you want. Frankly, we dont
care any more".
Once a few years back, in a small Russian town, an enterprising garage sold door mats with
the American flag on them, for people to wipe their feet. They sold out in hours. However, it
was a momentary rage and Russians are very decent, kindly people. I think they have not
repeated that moment of anger.
But if you watch Vesti English - excerpts are on YouTube - watch "60 minutes", watch Vecher
"or Evening" excerpts, watch Kislyak, the popular presenters. See how they talk to Russia in
that critical hour after workers get home and have diner and watch an evening hour of current
affairs. They show every lie, every manipulation, every example of American aggression, and
they laugh at every American stupidity.
They are nice people, and if you go there as an American citizen, they will be kind to you.
But when it comes to nations, and international trust - they've had it with you. They've
turned their back. And you brought it on yourselves. As the Russian saying goes "as you
return my hand extended to you, so will I return your action" "They are nice people, and if
you go there as an American citizen, they will be kind to you."
If what you're saying about the Russian people is true -- and I've no reason to dispute it
-- then it may have something to do with their years under Communist rule. The corruption,
the lies, the suppression of dissidence, and all the other harm done to them by their rulers
ingrained a healthy distrust of government and an insight that the subjects of such a system
can still be good people.
Americans aren't there yet. Most of us still find it not only acceptable for the neighbor
kid to die serving Uncle Sam, but something to celebrate as his name goes up on another green
sign along a potholed bridge. This national inclination to identify with one's rulers, a
Washington Syndrome, is pumped into our eyes and ears from birth. Even on this relatively
dissident website, many become invested in the Red v Blue, whose Beltway members when
offstage attend each other's weddings and hold each other up above the rule of law.
Pundits like Mr. Buchanan (especially when writing about international affairs) are
Beltloops who help to keep the bleating within acceptable channels. Read this column again,
and note every "we/us/our" that references Washington. Is pronoun propaganda like that as
prevalent in Russia or, for that matter, anywhere else outside "USA!"?
@KenH
Putin is like a battered wife who keeps making excuses for the abuser. Putin's great at going
through the motions with military parades and boasts about new weapons systems then turns the
other cheek and endlessly whines about violations of international law after every deliberate
provocation.
I'm beginning to think Putin is the wrong man to lead Russia because his policy of
deference, good will and steadfast refusal to retaliate in the face of endless insults and
acts of aggression by (((America))) and Israel is making matters worse, not better, for
Russia. I don't know what more he needs to prove that America is only playing him for a fool,
doesn't respect him and is only teasing him with the prospect of a partnership so he remains
tentative.
It's one thing to exercise restraint but it's quite another to be so suicidal in your
delusions of eventual Western acceptance that it's irreparably harming Russian interests.
There needs to be a countervailing power to check Zio-American-Israeli aggression but
Putin is not up to the task. I never thought I'd wax nostalgic for the old Soviet Union, but
here I am. So Putin must react to every provocation, immediately.
No.
He should wait and accept the provocations, just as he has, and at the same time plan his own
provocations.
If you're the prey in a relationship, you react to stimulus. If you're the predator, you
create the stimulus. Better to be the predator.
The MSM should be ignored since they will blame Putin, no matter what. And, what difference
does that make in Russia.
@Sir
Launcelot Canning It appears that Putin is impotent to stand up to the Brussels -
Washington D.C. - Jerusalem - Berlin Axis of Evil. Could that be construed as evidence that
the Axis is such a formidable iron fortress that even a tough guy like Putin can't put a dent
in it?
If Russia and China don't collaborate soon, then the Axis will have complete, heavy handed
global domination, replete with policies and infrastructure to make certain it is perpetually
unchallenged.
Seems to me that I read something about this in the Bible.
It appears that Putin is impotent to stand up to the Brussels – Washington D.C.
– Jerusalem – Berlin Axis of Evil. Could that be construed as evidence that the
Axis is such a formidable iron fortress that even a tough guy like Putin can't put a dent
in it?
Appearances can be deceiving.
Remember the Wizard of Oz was just a flim flam man behind a curtain.
Axis control is actually in London. Has been for several hundred years.
No, Russia and Russians have not given up on USA and perhaps never will. Don't underestimate
American soft power – the power of McDonalds, Hollywood, music, fashion, Ivy League
prestige, etc. 90% of East Europeans will give an arm and a leg to get to America and so will
perhaps 30% of Russians. Remember, they dismantled a world power state that they had
primarily to become a part of the "West", to be like America and Americans. Where do their
rich send their sons and daughters to study? Where do they stash their wealth? What language
do they wish to learn and acquire? And when they accomplish something, whether a sports medal
or a new scientific breakthrough or a new weapon, whose respect and admiration do they
desperately seek? Read their media (RT and Sputnik) carefully and you will find plenty of
desperation there, from silly chest-thumping to get Western attention to well-argued pleas
for friendship. Their whole media is full of "Look Ma, we can do it too, just like the
Yanks".
And don't underestimate American hard power as well. Behind Putin's perpetual references
to "Our American partners, our Western partners" lies a realistic understanding of military
realities. His fans may talk of his strategic geopolitical skills, the skills of a chess
grandmaster. The man himself never boasts as the complicated and powerful American
geopolitical maneuvers keep the man perpetually puzzled. The man may be clever, but he is
heading an economically and politically weak state. Yes, Russian nationalism is very much
alive; so is Russia's desire to be a part of the West, even as a junior partner.
The US policy towards Russia can be summed up by paraphrasing that famous line from Cool Hand
Luke: What we have here is failure to capitulate. US thought that Russia is going to stay
down. It took them what – less than 10 years under that buffoon Yeltsin to realize with
whom they are dealing in the west and that it's time to get up and fight again.
It cracks me up when they say that the cold war was about the clash of ideologies. Maybe
communism can still qualify as an ideology, but how does creatively ripping off someone out
of their money qualify as an "ideology"?
There is always going to be a rivalry between US and Russia – regardless of the
"ideologies". It never was about communism, it was about eliminating competition and then
inventing a new one – China, because they just didn't see it coming. That's how
clueless they are. They though that China is going to be just a giant Sri Lanka –
source of cheap labor, a sweat shop for the smart folks in the west. Because, let's face it
– who has ever gotten rich by labor alone – right?
@Sir
Launcelot Canning And you know all of this how? Maybe because you wish it were so? You
sound so sure of yourself, you must live in downtown Moscow. And I play short stop for the
White Sox. Nope, I don't know the future, but I do know present reality and facts. Russia's
GDP is 6.78% America's – check it out for yourself. Eastern Europeans line-up, hats in
hand, to get immigration to the US – check out the US immigration statistics. Russia
desire to be "partners" with the west is right out of Putin and Lavrov speeches, not my
imagination. Check out their speeches on RT and Sputnik, which are Russian media BTW.
Putin may be a clever fellow, but he is leading a very weak state. And it shows in several
ways. In his perpetual dithering; in his constant pleas and entreaties to the west to please
show us some respect and kindness; and in his desperate boasts about non-existent
weapons.
American policy, especially now under Trump, is diabolically clever and powerful in a
Machiavellian way. Trump is tightening his grip over both China and Russia – and
winning IMHO. See China caving in under sanctions? If you don't, you need to read the news a
little more carefully. Analyze the items and tariff rates that the two sides have imposed on
each other, they tell their own story.
Should we like the way the world is heading? Of course not. Should we support one side or
the other? Of course not. They are all a bunch of power-mad, ruthless tyrants and other
things besides, which I hesitate to say out of a sense of politeness. Should we think more,
research more, and analyze more? Of course, we must. The last flicker of hope is that people
come to understand the world a little better and try to nudge it towards kinder, more ethical
and more moral directions. Now that is a pipe dream for you and me!
Right, ancient frontiers that go all the way back to the 17th century, or in some cases
(like Crimea or the Baltics ) the 18th. Russians are masters at getting foreign dupes to
believe the propaganda. China has ancient frontiers, Iran has ancient frontiers, even France
has ancient frontiers. Russia as a state is about two centuries older than the United States.
It is an upstart country masquerading as an ancient civilization. True.
Unfortunately, most of our present-day conflicts are a lot more transparent to people with a
minimum of historical knowledge, and, equally unfortunately, even that minimum is sorrowfully
rare.
"... If the so-called "Resistance" to Trump was ever actually interested in opposing this administration in any meaningful way, this would be the top trending news story in America for days, like how "bombshell" revelations pertaining to the made-up Russiagate narrative trend for days. Spoiler alert: it isn't, and it won't be. ..."
"... The US Senate has just passed Trump's mammoth military spending increase by a landslide 92–8 vote . The eight senators who voted "nay"? Seven Republicans, and Independent Bernie Sanders. Every single Democrat supported the most bloated war budget since the height of the Iraq war . Rather than doing everything they can to weaken the potential damage that can be done by a president they've been assuring us is a dangerous hybrid of equal parts Benedict Arnold and Adolf Hitler, they've been actively increasing his power as Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military force the world has ever seen. ..."
"... They're on the same team, wearing different uniforms. ..."
"... US politics is pretty much the same; two mainstream parties owned by the same political class, engaged in a staged bidding war for votes to give the illusion of competition. ..."
"... In reality, the US political system is like the unplugged video game remote that kids give their baby brother so he stops whining that he wants a turn to play. No matter who they vote for they get an Orwellian warmongering government which exists solely to advance the agendas of a plutocratic class which has no loyalties to any nation; the only difference is sometimes that government is pretending to care about women and minorities and sometimes it's pretending to care about white men. In reality, all the jewelers work for the same plutocrat, and that video game remote won't impact the outcome of the game no matter how many buttons you push. ..."
"... The only way to effect real change is to stop playing along with the rigged system and start waking people up to the lies. As long as Americans believe that the mass media are telling them the truth about their country and their partisan votes are going somewhere useful, the populace whose numbers should give it immense influence is nullified and sedated into a passive ride toward war, ecocide and oppression. ..."
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A new article from the Wall Street
Journal reports that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
lied to congress about the measures Saudi Arabia is taking to minimize the civilian
casualties in its catastrophic war on Yemen, and that he did so in order to secure two billion
dollars for war profiteers.
This is about as depraved as anything you could possibly imagine. US-made bombs have
been conclusively tied to civilian deaths in a war which has caused the single worst
humanitarian crisis on earth, a crisis which sees
scores of Yemeni children dying every single day and has
placed five million children at risk of death by starvation in a nation where families are
now eating
leaves to survive . CIA veteran Bruce Riedel
once said that "if the United States of America and the United Kingdom tonight told King
Salman that this war has to end, it would end tomorrow, because the Royal Saudi Airforce cannot
operate without American and British support." Nobody other than war plutocrats benefits from
the US assisting Saudi Arabia in its monstrous crimes against humanity, and yet Pompeo chose to
override his own expert advisors on the matter for fear of hurting the income of those very war
plutocrats.
If the so-called "Resistance" to Trump was ever actually interested in opposing this
administration in any meaningful way, this would be the top trending news story in America for
days, like how "bombshell" revelations pertaining to the made-up Russiagate narrative trend for
days. Spoiler alert: it isn't, and it won't be.
It would be so very, very easy for Democratic party leaders and Democrat-aligned media to
hurt this administration at the highest level and cause irreparable political damage based on
this story. All they'd have to do is give it the same blanket coverage they've given the
stories about Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos and Paul Manafort which
end up leading nowhere remotely near impeachment or proof of collusion with the Russian
government. The footage of the starving children is right there, ready to be aired to pluck at
the heart strings of rank-and-file Americans day after day until Republicans have lost all hope
of victory in the midterms and in 2020; all they'd have to do is use it. But they don't. And
they won't.
The US Senate has just passed Trump's mammoth military spending increase by
a landslide 92–8 vote . The eight senators who voted "nay"? Seven Republicans, and
Independent Bernie Sanders. Every single Democrat supported the most bloated war budget
since the
height of the Iraq war . Rather than doing everything they can to weaken the potential
damage that can be done by a president they've been assuring us is a dangerous hybrid of equal
parts Benedict Arnold and Adolf Hitler, they've been actively increasing his power as
Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful military force the world has ever seen.
The reason for this is very simple: President Trump's ostensible political opposition does
not oppose President Trump. They're on the same team, wearing different uniforms. This is the
reason they attack him on Russian collusion accusations which the brighter bulbs among them
know full well will never be proven and have no basis in reality. They don't stand up to Trump
because, as Julian Assange once said , they are
Trump.
In John Steinbeck's The Pearl, there are jewelry buyers set up around a fishing community
which are all owned by the same plutocrat, but they all pretend to be in competition with one
another. When the story's protagonist discovers an enormous and valuable pearl and goes to sell
it, they all gather round and individually bid far less than it is worth in order to trick him
into giving it away for almost nothing. US politics is pretty much the same; two mainstream
parties owned by the same political class, engaged in a staged bidding war for votes to give
the illusion of competition.
In reality, the US political system is like the unplugged video game remote that kids give
their baby brother so he stops whining that he wants a turn to play. No matter who they vote
for they get an Orwellian warmongering government which exists solely to advance the agendas of
a plutocratic class which has no loyalties to any nation; the only difference is sometimes that
government is pretending to care about women and minorities and sometimes it's pretending to
care about white men. In reality, all the jewelers work for the same plutocrat, and that video
game remote won't impact the outcome of the game no matter how many buttons you push.
The only way to effect real change is to stop playing along with the rigged system and start
waking people up to the lies. As long as Americans believe that the mass media are telling them
the truth about their country and their partisan votes are going somewhere useful, the populace
whose numbers should give it immense influence is nullified and sedated into a passive ride
toward war, ecocide and oppression.
If enough of us keep throwing sand in the gears of the lie
factory, we can wake
the masses up from the oligarchic lullaby they're being sung. And then maybe we'll be big
enough to have a shot at grabbing one of the real video game controllers.
Reprinted with author's permission from
Medium.com .
Actually, it was b h o who opened the Fed borrowing window to the Wall Street
investment crowd who were able to borrow at 1/4 % interest so that they could play the
markets with impunity.
b h o played both sides against the middle telling folks to vote for him and 'hope and
change' bullshit and to shake his fist at Wall Street -- all the while enabling them to make
more money than they thought existed.
Like so many of his predecessors in the White House, Trump has surrounded himself with
Zionists in almost every important position imaginable and they're more than willing to screw us
into the ground -- just because they can.
Trumpenstein delivers magnificently for his constituency. Cheap fiat money for the jooie
banking usurers and wall street scammers. Continued destruction of the ME making the
bloodthirsty izzies and domestic jooies deliriously happy.
And for the MAGA white trash deplorables .a miniscule tax cut so they can afford a new
blue tarp to cover the trailer roof leak and maybe a new mumu for the 250 lb wife.
Dr. Hart's book is invaluable because it highlights some of the basic truths about America
that modern-day histories simply conceal. For example, he writes: "America is much younger than
most European
nations . It did not exist at all prior to 1600 AD but was created
in the ' colonial era .'"
Dr. Hart provides a basic history of America's development, including highlighting specific
incidents that ultimately proved critical to the future of the polity. One of the more
interesting was the Zenger
trial, a
colonial case in which a journalist criticized the local governor
and was charged with libel. A grand jury refused to indict Zenger, accepting his defense that
the things he printed were true. Thanks to this case, Americans can claim truth as an absolute
defense in libel cases, something
our British cousins lack .
A highlight of Dr. Hart's history is his careful attention to demographic issues. For
example, he scoffs at the claim sometimes heard within the
dimmer quarters of the
American Conservative Movement that the Constitution was a "miracle." Instead, Dr. Hart
shows that the authors of America's governing document shared linguistic, cultural, racial, and
experiential factors that
allowed them to work together. (Contemporary American statesmen possess no such unanimity.)
Dr. Hart is also not blind to the Constitution's faults, especially its failure to designate
how and who has the power to interpret it -- specifically, not necessarily the Kritarchs on the Supreme Court.
Dr. Hart is also clearsighted regarding immigration. He does not accept the now de
rigueur analysis that immigration from widely disparate regions was always a feature of
American life. "Before 1849,
immigrants to the Untied States came mostly from the Protestant
regions of northwest Europe, including Holland , Sweden, Norway , Germany and Great
Britain," he observes. He also provides an honest assessment of the difficulties Irish immigration
presented for 19 th century America and argues that despite speaking English, "they
assimilated very slowly."
Dr. Hart argues the "Golden Age" of the United States extended from 1865 to 1991. "During
that interval the United States stood out for its wealth, for its military might, and for its
unprecedented set of practical inventions and scientific discoveries," he argues. Indeed, one
of the best parts of the book is when Dr. Hart recounts the numerous inventions and scientific
advances America has given to the world.
However, Dr. Hart's most invaluable contribution is in detailing what he sees as the
symptoms of America's decline after the Cold War. America's indebtedness, relatively poor military
performance , loss of Constitutional liberties, and collapse of artistic standards are all
covered. Two other issues highly relevant to immigration patriots are what Dr. Hart calls
"political problems" and "loss of confidence and national pride."
Dr. Hart details how Democratic politicians have diligently opposed any efforts to
implement common-sense voter ID laws to prevent election fraud. Media bias is another major
political problem, one an increasing number of Americans are awakening to. Finally, Dr. Hart
identifies the "increase in racial hostilities" as both a symptom and a cause of America's
increasing political problems. "Black hostility towards whites is constantly being stirred up
by 'race hustlers' such as
Al Sharpton , who deny any good faith on the part of whites," he writes. "Many people deny
that any progress has been made in the status and treatment of black Americans -- a blatant
untruth which increases black suspicions and hostilities."
Similarly, the decline in national pride is partially a product of how the charge of
"racism" has delegitimized our entire national history. "According to many of these critics,
our Constitution was produced by a group of 'Dead White European Males' (DWEMs, for short) who
do not deserve any respect," he writes. As a result of internalizing this poisonous attack on
America's heritage, some advocate Open Borders as a kind of historical reparations of
punishment for a "racist" country.
Dr. Hart writes:
One result of these attitudes is that many Americans find it unreasonable for the United
States to defend its borders. (After all, since we stole the country from the Indians, we
have no real claim on our land.) Sometimes these views lead to people suggesting that
non-citizens should be permitted to vote in American elections. In any disagreement or
conflict between the United States and a foreign group, many of these critics tend to blame
America first. Many of these critics do not even pretend to be patriotic.
Dr. Hart identifies a host of causes to explain the emergence of these symptoms. Though they
are too many to cover here, two very much worth mentioning are
Dr. Hart points out that for all the talk about white racism, the vast majority of
interracial crime is committed by blacks against whites. Hatred of whites is not only
mainstream but cultivated by the Main Stream Media, the education system, and even some
Democratic politicians -- a coalition that Dr. Hart judges is too powerful to break.
Similarly, Dr. Hart details the disastrous consequences of the 1965 Immigration Act and
explicitly calls for its repeal, but he is pessimistic about the prospects for doing so.
The most explosive part of the book is its concluding chapter, in which Dr. Hart discusses
the various scenarios by which the United States could "fall," either by breaking up, being
extinguished, or losing its political independence and being subsumed into a larger polity. All
of these terrible scenarios have vastly increased in likelihood because of the destabilizing
and destructive effects of mass immigration.
The "fall" of the United States may even occur without most people even noticing it at the
time. "Without any foreign conquest, and without any sharp break, the USA might be transformed
into a multinational state without any loyalty to our English origin," he writes. "In fact,
such a process may already be in process."
During his discussion of causes for American decline, Dr. Hart identifies the most important
"by far" as the "loss of pride and confidence." He blames this on the relentless hate campaign
waged against "our ancestors" by educators and the Main Stream Media, leading to a situation in
which Americans feel "ashamed of their country." In other words, Dr. Hart is really talking
about a loss of identity.
With his history of the United States, and his frank discussion of the issues endangering
its existence, Dr. Hart has performed a valuable service for Americans seeking to reclaim their
national identity. For anyone curious about their country's past and concerned about its
future, The Rise And
Fall Of The United States (full disclosure: A VDARE book -- who else would
publish it?) is well worth purchasing.
If/when America does break apart, it will not be a result of conventional war. The
attack/upheaval will come from within.
Ironically, the trillions spent by Washington on our global MIC will not, in the end,
protect the American people from what is now our greatest threat: internal treason against
Historic America and its core people.
Ironically, instead of returning home to protect US borders when the cold war ended,
American troops were dispersed around the world to fight phantom threats and protect
non-essential foreign entities and extra-national interests.
This ongoing waste of US resources abroad continues to serve the interests of globalists,
militarists, and Zionists. Meanwhile, our domestic security, our Main Street economy, and the
continuity of white, European-derived culture and people inside America gets short shrift.
This glaring disconnect may be our nation's undoing.
The 'proposition nation' concept was a fraud from the start since it ignores the vital
significance of race, culture, language, and IQ.
The engine for America's coming implosion is demographic: uninterrupted, illegal,
non-white immigration by Third World refugees. Hostile elites who now dominate America are
also key. They refuse to acknowledge the perils of 'diversity'. Many want America changed,
irreversibly so.
Meanwhile, white identity and white cohesion have been demonized in our schools as well as
by our dominant mass media. This campaign has undermined white identity, white cohesion and
white interests in general.
Numerous, politically-correct expressions of anti-white hatred are now in wide
circulation. These hate-terms are, ironically, protected from criticism even though they are
applied selectively to target whites. Those few who contest these double-standards (including
Pres. Trump) are routinely defamed by comparisons to 'Hitler' or references to the KKK. The
basic translation comes down to this: Shut up.
This unhealthy and insidious paradigm is here by design. It is used to not only justify
anti-white animus, but to legitimize anti-white violence whenever and wherever whites try to
assemble and express their grievances and/or aspirations. This very sinister double-standard
has taken deep root. It is nurtured by biased reporting and coverage. It has spawned
'antifa'.
Modern speech rules and penalties favor privileged 'minorities' just as they cleary
disfavor and penalize white advocacy.
Among the popular terms that lend support to anti-white bigotry are: 'racist', 'nativist',
'white supremacy', 'Islamophobia', and 'anti-Semitism'.
These shame-inducing memes have 1) contaminated the American mind and 2) empowered our
race-conscious adversaries. They must be deconstructed and deligimized if we are to protect
our interests and preserve America's demographic core.
Resistance, cohesion and self-defense are not fascistic sentiments. They are legitimate
expressions of democratic self-determination.
"... Russia has a clear mission in Syria: that is to re-establish control of Syria for the Assad government and prevent radical Islamic groups from taking over and using Syria as a home (and a launching pad for exporting their twisted views back into Russia). Once that happens, if they are smart, they will go home. Avoiding entanglements with countries like Turkey and Israel are part of that goal. To get themselves embroiled into the vipers nest (like the Americans have done) would be pure stupidity. ..."
"... So yes, Russia will likely do nothing about this, except perhaps change their own tactics to make it less likely to happen again. ..."
"... But this incident does do one very important thing: it exposes the complete and utter fraud and moral bankruptcy of the zionist controlled west and their corporate media who will not report this story and will decline to comment on why exactly Israel gets to bomb Syria at will. ..."
"... NoseytheDuke , says: September 19, 2018 at 7:12 am GMT ..."
"... I have to say that this comment reveals you to be the adult in the comments 'room' so far Greg. ..."
"... Kiza , says: September 19, 2018 at 4:39 pm GMT ..."
"... Here is an excellent summary in English from the Russian state cominiques: http://johnhelmer.org/?p=17934#more-17934 . ..."
"... The only totally wrong thing in this article is the discussion whether the IFF of the Russian S200 system should have prevented the shoot-down of a friendly plane (both made in the same country). Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) is a system which prevents the launching of a missile against your own plane in a complex air battle environment. Now the Jewish 5th column in Russia is muddying the water (they are good at this) saying that it is a Russian screw up being blamed on Israel and John Helmer appears to have picked this up as fact. ..."
"... But, the truth is that IFF works to prevent a launch against a friendly target. It also prevents the missile from hitting a friendly plane under the standard mode of operation of targeting radars called CW. But CW mode is also a major vulnerability of targeting radars, because it can be jammed or spoofed to protect a foe, most Western planes are equipped with good CW counter measures. This is why the S200 system has been designed for semi-automous operation of its missiles. In the last part of the missile's trajectory, the missile can hone in on a target in the absence of a CW signal illuminating its intended target. When the Israeli small fighter jets took cover "behind" a big IL20, the missile honed in on it because the missile's own radar and logic selected the largest target as the most lucrative. ..."
"... Therefore, there was never a Russian screw up of any kind in this. ..."
"... Please keep in mind that Israelis are the World's experts in Russian radar systems because many Jews were involved in their design and some have immigrated to Israel. A few years ago, Israel even hired a Cyprian older and export model of S300 to train its pilots against them. Knowing how much plannng goes into bombing missions, knowing that IL20 because it was EW was a constant cruising presence in the air, and that Israelis attacked targets right next to the biggest Russian airbase in Latakia (where there was potential for the Russian involvement), it is really hard to believe that this outcome was not deliberate. ..."
"... Ultimately, the Israelis are happy with Putin's statements and unhappy with Shoygu's. Please observe the photo of Putin with Nutty Yahoo in Helmer's article, Putin's face is so self-happy. Makes you wish someone would slam a rifle butt into the moron's mug. ..."
"... The final irony is the one several people mentioned online – if the Syrians were operating an S300VM, the most modern version of the targeting radar, quite resistant to CW counter measures, the IL20 shootdown almost certainly would not have happened. Furthermore, if the Russian S400 was permitted to engage Israeli planes, it would have been the four Israeli F16s bathing in the Mediterranean Sea and body parts of Israeli pilots being collected instead of the Russian. On both options, Shoygu said yes and Putin said no. So who is to blame? Perhaps Putin is the Jewish 5th column in Russia. ..."
"... In my next comment I intend to outline what I think the Russians should have been and should be doing, how to deal with the Coalition of the Lovers of Terrorism. ..."
"... Harold Smith , says: September 19, 2018 at 4:44 pm GMT ..."
"... "Basically, 4 Israeli aircraft were sent on a bombing mission against targets near the Russian facilities in Khmeimim and Tartus (which, by itself, is both stupid and irresponsible). " ..."
"... I see it differently: ..."
"... Basically, 4 Israeli aircraft were sent on a mission to (indirectly) bring down a Russian plane, under the pretense of bombing Syrian targets. The object being to exploit Putin's apparent weakness and use it to trash his political popularity (and perhaps damage the morale of the Russian military). ..."
Every time one of these incidents happens, a flood of "chicken-hawks" come out of the
woodwork demanding that Russia should "release the S700s" and "shoot everything down," etc.
These people are idiots and should be ignored. The Saker is coming dangerously close to
being one of these idiots himself.
Russia has a clear mission in Syria: that is to re-establish control of Syria for the
Assad government and prevent radical Islamic groups from taking over and using Syria as a
home (and a launching pad for exporting their twisted views back into Russia). Once that
happens, if they are smart, they will go home. Avoiding entanglements with countries like
Turkey and Israel are part of that goal. To get themselves embroiled into the vipers nest
(like the Americans have done) would be pure stupidity.
So yes, Russia will likely do nothing about this, except perhaps change their own
tactics to make it less likely to happen again.
But this incident does do one very important thing: it exposes the complete and utter
fraud and moral bankruptcy of the zionist controlled west and their corporate media who will
not report this story and will decline to comment on why exactly Israel gets to bomb Syria at
will.
The only totally wrong thing in this article is the discussion whether the IFF of the
Russian S200 system should have prevented the shoot-down of a friendly plane (both made in
the same country). Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) is a system which prevents the
launching of a missile against your own plane in a complex air battle environment. Now the
Jewish 5th column in Russia is muddying the water (they are good at this) saying that it is a
Russian screw up being blamed on Israel and John Helmer appears to have picked this up as
fact.
But, the truth is that IFF works to prevent a launch against a friendly target. It
also prevents the missile from hitting a friendly plane under the standard mode of operation
of targeting radars called CW. But CW mode is also a major vulnerability of targeting radars,
because it can be jammed or spoofed to protect a foe, most Western planes are equipped with
good CW counter measures. This is why the S200 system has been designed for semi-automous
operation of its missiles. In the last part of the missile's trajectory, the missile can hone
in on a target in the absence of a CW signal illuminating its intended target. When the
Israeli small fighter jets took cover "behind" a big IL20, the missile honed in on it because
the missile's own radar and logic selected the largest target as the most lucrative.
Therefore, there was never a Russian screw up of any kind in this.
Please keep in mind that Israelis are the World's experts in Russian radar systems
because many Jews were involved in their design and some have immigrated to Israel. A few
years ago, Israel even hired a Cyprian older and export model of S300 to train its pilots
against them. Knowing how much plannng goes into bombing missions, knowing that IL20 because
it was EW was a constant cruising presence in the air, and that Israelis attacked targets
right next to the biggest Russian airbase in Latakia (where there was potential for the
Russian involvement), it is really hard to believe that this outcome was not
deliberate.
Ultimately, the Israelis are happy with Putin's statements and unhappy with Shoygu's.
Please observe the photo of Putin with Nutty Yahoo in Helmer's article, Putin's face is so
self-happy. Makes you wish someone would slam a rifle butt into the moron's mug.
The final irony is the one several people mentioned online – if the Syrians were
operating an S300VM, the most modern version of the targeting radar, quite resistant to CW
counter measures, the IL20 shootdown almost certainly would not have happened. Furthermore,
if the Russian S400 was permitted to engage Israeli planes, it would have been the four
Israeli F16s bathing in the Mediterranean Sea and body parts of Israeli pilots being
collected instead of the Russian. On both options, Shoygu said yes and Putin said no. So who
is to blame? Perhaps Putin is the Jewish 5th column in Russia.
In my next comment I intend to outline what I think the Russians should have been and
should be doing, how to deal with the Coalition of the Lovers of Terrorism.
"Basically, 4 Israeli aircraft were sent on a bombing mission against targets near the
Russian facilities in Khmeimim and Tartus (which, by itself, is both stupid and
irresponsible). "
I see it differently:
Basically, 4 Israeli aircraft were sent on a mission to (indirectly) bring down a
Russian plane, under the pretense of bombing Syrian targets. The object being to exploit
Putin's apparent weakness and use it to trash his political popularity (and perhaps damage
the morale of the Russian military).
And I think Putin calling this calculated act of mass murder an "accident" was a serious
blunder which made the mission a smashing success.
The Israeli air force had warned the Russian forces in Syria only one minute before the
strike. A Russian IL-20 electronic warfare airplane (red line) was preparing to land at the
Russian airport near Latakia just as the Israeli attack (blue) happened
moonofalabama
Israeli claims that its plane had returned by the time Russian was hit
They also claimed they warned Russia
So in one minute the warned, tried to bomb and then safely returned to Israel
Joaquin Flores has the most interesting analysis I've seen to date. It's just far enough out
there to be true.
In a nutshell, he says it was the French (who pleaded innocence before anyone accused them),
in an attempt to destroy the prospect of good relations between the EU & Russia. That,
and to disrupt the deal made with Turkey regarding Idlib. The latter having made irrelevant
NATO's plans to go live in Syria.
Putin/Shoigu did an end run by blaming the Israelis for the scenario. That opens
possibilities, including a no-fly zone.
What is most important is that Russia avoided being lured into a PR and diplomatic
catastrophe with France, which is what Atlanticists hoped for and tried to execute.
Putin surely knows Israel did 9-11, specifically to get the US to fight wars for terrorist
Jews.
A superb response to this latest (((outrage))) would be for Putin to make a top priority
of exposing the war crimes of terrorist Jews. But he hasn't yet, so that possibility is
unlikely.
Sadly ironic that the greatest enemy of Russia and the US is none other than the Terrorist
Theocracy of Eretz Ysrael.
@Erebus Joaquin Flores has the most interesting analysis I've seen to date. It's just far
enough out there to be true.
In a nutshell, he says it was the French (who pleaded innocence before anyone accused them),
in an attempt to destroy the prospect of good relations between the EU & Russia. That,
and to disrupt the deal made with Turkey regarding Idlib. The latter having made irrelevant
NATO's plans to go live in Syria.
Putin/Shoigu did an end run by blaming the Israelis for the scenario. That opens
possibilities, including a no-fly zone.
What is most important is that Russia avoided being lured into a PR and diplomatic
catastrophe with France, which is what Atlanticists hoped for and tried to execute.
https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/full-analysis-russian-disinfo-campaign-blames-israel-for-il-20-plane-downing-yet-exonerates-france/
Flores has an interesting view, but I have a few questions:
He says the French "early denial" doesn't make sense because the French weren't accused of
anything at the time they denied involvement, but IIRC didn't the Russians mention early on
that they detected missile launches from the French ship? So maybe the French were responding
to what they took as an implicit accusation?
Also, if it was not a Syrian S-200 SAM that brought the IL-20 down, how does Flores
explain the conspiuous inability of the Syrian S-200 system to take down any of the Israeli
planes?
Finally, do the French have the guts to shoot down a Russian plane, murdering everyone on
board in cold blood in an unprovoked attack? Granted Putin's not trigger happy, but the
Russians have previously indicated that they would attack launch platforms if any of their
personnel or assets were threatened. In light of that I don't think I would want to be on a
ship whose mission is to test Russian resolve.
It reminds me of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty
How so? Aside from the fact that Israel was involved in both incidents.
Ricostein is correct ..there is a major difference between Il-20 and the USS Liberty. This
time the jooies didn't strafe the lifeboats ..
I think a basic question here is whether the Israelis were deliberately trying to down the
II-20. Is it a coincidence that the Israeli attack took place precisely when that plane was
landing? The Israelis have done worse. I think they had foreknowledge of 9-11, for example,
and were unwilling to help their American "friends".
Given that 15 Russians were killed Russia probably does need to respond. The challenge
will probably be to avoid actions that restrict Russian choices, especially given that Trump
& Co. are willing to play nuclear chicken. The Russians want to avoid being forced into a
sequence of actions that lead to WWIII or other bad outcomes. They want to make the choices,
not others.
The Israelis have a history of trying to provoke others. For example, before they invaded
Lebanon they tried to provoke a PLO military response to some attacks so that they could
claim their invasion was self-defense against PLO "aggression". The PLO didn't take the bait
but the Israelis invaded Lebanon anyway.
I haveto challenge your cleverly hidden piece of misinformation. The WTC was brought down by
controlled demoliton and the sheer scope of the operation (3 sites, NORAD exercise) clearly
points to the involvment of state actors. So about what should the the Israelis warn their US
comrades?
Its true building #7 appears to have been destroyed by a controlled demolition but we don't
know for sure at this point who was responsible, although Israel is high on my list of
suspects. (Incidentally, there is evidence that the 1993 WTC bombing was an Israeli black op.
too.) However, we do know that an Israeli spy ring followed the 9-11 hijackers for months and
a group of these spies cheered during the 9-11 attack. This convinces me that while the plot
was carried out by Al Queda, the Israelis were in the background making sure they succeeded.
It also convinces me that the Israelis are perfectly capable of deliberately downing the
II-20 or worse.
We know who said this: "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling
me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've
had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made
that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
I know the US is in the grip of AIPAC, the Neocon's and their Billionaire masters etc
(including Trump). But it's time for the American people to accept responsibility for their
part in what is happening. It is not OK to accept medals and money for military service
overseas to support the Empire. Occupying foreign nations and killing foreign people in order
to pay for college and to pay the mortgage and set up an retirement plan is weakness, not
strength. "Thank you for your service", indeed. Too many Americans still worship at the altar
of the Pentagon.
It's time for Americans to kick the MIC to the curb, give up the Petrodollar and
corruption that comes with it, and come up with a saner national business model and way of
life. I know that many, many American soldiers have paid a heavy price for their "service" or
even "servitude", but not more so than the nations they have ruined during their service.
It's time for the American people to come together and accept that "War" cannot be the
solution to every problem facing America in it's foreign or domestic policies. It is time to
Down Tools and clean up the corruption in DC and on Wall Street and in the US establishment
in general.
I believe these sentiments are not shocking to most Americans, but this also means the
sense of desperation in the US/Zio elites wedded to War is growing, another reason they push
so hard and so frantically. They know time is running out for them. On this front and many
others.
Occasional Poster on September 19, 2018 · at 8:16 pm EST/EDT
@ Christian,
I have Serbian roots, and US & its NATO poodles bombed and finished their decade long job of destroying my country in 1999.
That nightmare just doesn't end.
But my definition of evil is worth noting. Evil can put a bullet in your head, but where is the fun in that? Put the gun in
the hand of a good person, deceive them, and get them to do it. THAT's true evil, and there in a nutshell is what has been
done to the US.
I struggled to understand as a child, why lying was as great a crime in Christianity as murder and stuff, but I later
understood; deceit is the greatest evil, it turns good people into monsters. There is no anger like righteous anger.
All that evil needs to thrive, is ignorance. The American people as a whole, are grossly ignorant, but they are not evil;
they are simply deceived, just like Brits actualy. A good number of yanks on Zerohedge wish Putin was their own president, so
some are awake. Overall, the US citizenry actually can't give a hoot about Russiagate. There is no mass ill will towards
Russia.
So those are just my thoughts. I just want the American, and European people to wake out of their trance.
"... A basic principle should be the starting point of any macro analysis: The volume of interest-bearing debt tends to outstrip the economy's ability to pay. This tendency is inherent in the "magic of compound interest." The exponential growth of debt expands by its own purely mathematical momentum, independently of the economy's ability to pay – and faster than the non-financial economy grows. ..."
Wall Street did not let the Lehman Brothers crisis go to waste. The banks that have paid the
largest fines for financial fraud are now much bigger and more profitable. The victims of their
junk mortgage loans are poorer, and the economy is facing debt deflation.
Was it worth it? What was not saved was the economy.
"... A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won't fulfill any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics." ..."
"In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and
bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class.
Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking
complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.
A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while
serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue
to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won't fulfill
any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics."
Linh Dinh, as published at The Unz Review, June 12, 2016
The election's only apparent benefit to the people of this country has been the exposure
of corruption and sedition within the Establishment. But that, too, may be part of the show,
another way to channel dissidence into another meaningless election. Even here at The Unz
Review, some columnists and many commenters tell the readership that this November is
critical to protecting President Trump and his agenda, blah, blah, blah.
@Diversity Heretic I applied through the GreatAgain website and never received the
courtesy of a reply despite having conributed to the Trump campaign before Iowa, nine years
working on Capitol Hill (for Republicans) and seven years in a regulatory commission (working
for a Republicaén commissioner), a JD and an MBA. So I'm not surprised to hear that
applications through the website were not even considered and jobs filled with Washington
insiders. (The first inclination that I had that something was seriously wrong in the
staffing area was when Calista Gingrich was named as ambassador to the Vatican.) Trump has
the classic problem of the outsider: no institutional mechanism to staff an administration.
(Jesse Ventura had a similar problem when he was elected as governor of Minnesota as an
independent). He compounds that problem by making poor choices that involve his personal
judgment and consideration (e.g., John Bolton and Nikki Haley?!).
Increasingly, I see no electoral way to influence or remove the Deep State. I think we're
in for a rough ride and hope that things don't get nuclear with Russia.
Increasingly, I see no electoral way to influence or remove the Deep State. I think
we're in for a rough ride and hope that things don't get nuclear with Russia.
It is astonishing that after all the fraudsters and con masters masquerading as politicians
there are huge numbers who claim to believe in the system where humans have voluntarily given
away their freedoms.
Hope and Change, replaced by MAGA.
Do you honestly believe that your Founding Fathers would rebel against King's Tyranny if it
were possible to change it by peaceful means?
@anonymous None of this should have come as a surprise.
"In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and
bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class.
Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking
complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.
A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as
a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war
abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won't fulfill any of his
election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics."
Linh Dinh, as published at The Unz Review, June 12, 2016
The election's only apparent benefit to the people of this country has been the exposure
of corruption and sedition within the Establishment. But that, too, may be part of the show,
another way to channel dissidence into another meaningless election. Even here at The Unz
Review, some columnists and many commenters tell the readership that this November is
critical to protecting President Trump and his agenda, blah, blah, blah. Voting in our
national elections has become another example of evil paraded before us as a moral duty. It
ironically results in disenfranchisement by perpetually legitimizing a federal government as
much at war with its own citizens as with every other people who oppose the new American
Proposition -- the antithesis of a fulfilling human culture wherever it's found, and which
today amounts to claiming that freedom and democracy equate to owning stuff and vicariously
participating in unbridled avarice, sexual depravity, war, torture, and mass murder. Either
party and all that horror is a constant.
So, instead of girding middle America mentally, spiritually, and physically to fight to
the death for what's worth living for, and while there's still some chance to save ourselves
and our nation, we get the Republican leadership, Fox News, and Conservatism Inc blowing
smoke in our eyes, temporizing on behalf of the Deep State by pretending these veiled and
overt calls for white genocide are just in bad taste or that curtesy and cowardice are an
effective policy toward a wildly homicidal left.
the obligatory four freedoms of the EU are free movement of goods, services, persons and
capital throughout the Union. Open borders. That is the essence of the European Union, the
dogma of the Free Market.
The problem with the Open Border doctrine is that it doesn't know where to stop. Or it
doesn't stop anywhere. When Angela Merkel announced that hundreds of thousands of refugees were
welcome in Germany, the announcement was interpreted as an open invitation by immigrants of all
sorts, who began to stream into Europe. This unilateral German decision automatically applied
to the whole of the EU, with its lack of internal borders. Given German clout, Open Borders
became the essential "European common value", and welcoming immigrants the essence of human
rights.
Very contrasting ideological and practical considerations contribute to the idealization of
Open Borders. To name a few:
This combination of contrasting, even opposing motivations does not add up to a majority in
every country. Notably not in Hungary.
It should be noted that Hungary is a small Central European country of less than ten million
inhabitants, which never had a colonial empire and thus has no historic relationship with
peoples in Africa and Asia as do Britain, France, the Netherlands, and Belgium. As one of the
losers in World War I, Hungary lost a large amount of territory to its neighbors, notably to
Romania. The rare and difficult Hungarian language would be seriously challenged by mass
immigration. It is probably safe to say that the majority of people in Hungary tend to be
attached to their national identity and feel it would be threatened by massive immigration from
radically different cultures. It may not be nice of them, and like everyone they can change.
But for now, that is how they vote.
In particular, they recently voted massively to re
Like the Soviet Union, the European Union is not merely an undemocratic institutional
framework promoting a specific economic system; it is also the vehicle of an ideology and a
planetary project. Both are based on a dogma as to what is good for the world: communism for
the first, "openness" for the second. Both in varying ways demand of people virtues they may
not share: a forced equality, a forced generosity. All this can sound good, but such ideals
become methods of manipulation. Forcing ideals on people eventually runs up against stubborn
resistance.
There are differing reasons to be against immigration just as to be for it. The idea of
democracy was to sort out and choose between ideals and practical interests by free discussion
and in the end a show of hands: an informed vote. The liberal Authoritarian Center represented
by Verhofstadt seeks to impose its values, aspirations, even its version of the facts on
citizens who are denounced as "populists" if they disagree. Under communism, dissidents were
called "enemies of the people". For the liberal globalists, they are "populists" – that
is, the people. If people are told constantly that the choice is between a left that advocates
mass immigration and a right that rejects it, the swing to the right is unstoppable.
Orban's reputation in the West as dictator is unquestionably linked to his intense
conflict with Hungarian-born financier George Soros
And not only Soros, of course:
'I know that this battle is difficult for everyone. I understand if some of us are also
afraid. This is understandable, because we must fight against an opponent which is different
from us. Their faces are not visible, but are hidden from view; they do not fight directly,
but by stealth; they are not honourable, but unprincipled; they are not national, but
international; they do not believe in work, but speculate with money; they have no homeland,
but feel that the whole world is theirs.' --
Viktor Orbán
Watch the great Hungarian foreign minister repel attacks by the BBCs arrogant open borders
propagandist, rudely treating him like an ignorant child and calling him a racist for
defending his nation.
Economic liberals maintain that because Europe is aging, it needs young immigrant
workers to pay for the pensions of retired workers.
Not gonna happen. Their 80 IQ skills are uncompetitive and useless in Europe even before
Automation erases those low-skilled positions in the coming decade or two. Meanwhile, (real)
European youth unemployment rate is 20%. Young Europeans are not making babies because they
don't have a stable future. This can only get worse as the hostile invaders get preferential,
Affirmative Action treatment, in schools and workplaces. None of this is accidental.
There are, in my opinion, two reasons for letting the mass immigration happen:
- the Brussels belief, expressed in a 2009 official document, not secret, that the EU needs
60 million immigrants.
- a Merkel belief dat the Germans are bad, they caused two world wars and perpetrated the
holocaust, so the German people must be changed through mass immigration.
The Brussels belief seems to be based mainly on the increasing average age in the EU.
It is incomprehensible to me, at the same time fear that robots slowly will do all simple
jobs.
The Merkel belief, on the other side of the Atlantic, where few understand German, and
cannot or do not watch German tv, I wonder how many understand that the 20th century
propaganda of the victors still is decisive in German daily life and politics.
The danger of neonazi's and fascism is everywhere.
Nationalism, the equivalent of building gas chambers.
The EU also is based on the 20th century fairy tales, only the EU prevented wars in Europe
after WWII.
The idea that Germans were victims in two world wars, and, until Hitler became power in 1933,
also between the world wars, in unthinkable.
The idea that Endlösung meant deportation to Madagaskar, even more unthinkable.
That jews, as one Rothschild wrote to another around 1890, have and had but one enemy,
themselves, the world unthinkable is too weak.
Yet
'From prejudice to destruction', Jacob Katz, 1980, Cambridge MA
explains it, things as 'close economic cooperation, intermarriage, ostentious behaviour'.
In this respect
'Christianity and the Holocaust of the Hungarian Jewry', Moshe Y Herclz, 1993 New York
University press
also is a very interesting book, after jews in the thirties had been banned from many
intellectual professions not a single Hungarian newspaper could be published any more.
Soros trying to force Muslim immigrants on deeply catholic Hungary, he was born in
Hungary, experienced anti semitism, revenge ?
I was recently in Budapest on business and will likely be returning soon: It is the most
beautiful city I have ever seen, with stunning architectural restoration projects, almost
non-existent police and military presence, food and wines that rival those of Paris, and a
very friendly, non-bureaucratic and non-obsese (as opposed to the USA) population. I would
like to hear from others who have recently visited and have knowledge of the country.
Viszlát! -- John
When the fort of folly that Globalism is finally falls, Diana Johnstone's article will be
cited as exemplary in exposing its hidden grammar. That fall cannot be far off now given that
psy-ops can only work if people are ignorant of the manipulation afoot.
Great opening, Diana. For forty years the presstitude media have leaned on the use of
implication as argument to have the ninety-nine percent buy what they are selling. What was
not pointed out very well until now, is that their implications are all false. Now, only a
dummy among the dumbed-down cannot see it.
For those who have the patience to read the English subtitles, here is an excellent speech
given by Orbán in July. Here he outlines his thinking on the issues facing Hungary and
the world.
Viktor Orbán is a very intelligent leader, and he has the vast majority of the
Hungarian people behind him. History has taught those people many things, and they have had
enough. They are not fools. Look to them as an example for all of us.
@John Siman I was recently in Budapest on business and will likely be returning soon: It
is the most beautiful city I have ever seen, with stunning architectural restoration
projects, almost non-existent police and military presence, food and wines that rival those
of Paris, and a very friendly, non-bureaucratic and non-obsese (as opposed to the USA)
population. I would like to hear from others who have recently visited and have knowledge of
the country. Viszlát! -- John Wherever US influence is not yet overwhelming (and such
places are becoming fewer every day, unfortunately), you will still find "old-fashioned" ways
of interaction, few fatties, and decent food and drink.
People may become fat for many reasons, but most fatties these days in the Anglosphere
belong to the underclass. These wretches get fat from eating expensive trash at McDonald's
and other fast food outlets, and drinking Coca Cola and similar sugar-saturated garbage.
Their behavior may seem strange because their brains have largely withered away through
endless TV watching (mainly US or US-inspired visual trash), their hearing impaired by ear-
and mind numbing noise passing for music.
I am afraid the way out of that prison is long and tortuous for all victims of US
neoliberalism.
The usual anti-EU propaganda that Ms Johnstone has been peddling for at least a dozen years,
although she has recently moved from claiming to be a far-leftist to claiming to be a
far-rightest. Whatever pretext "proves" the EU to be evil is trotted out! However, she points
out very clearly Viktor Orban's dilemma. The choice for Hungary is between the EU and Putin's
tanks. After 40 years of occupation by a Soviet Union in which the ethnic Russians acted as
colonial overlords and the general contempt which Hungarians have for Slavs, choosing the
latter option would be political suicide for any Hungarian leader. Thus, Orban is stuck with
the EU whether he likes it or not and the other Member States are stuck with Orban whether
they like it or not. In addition, two of Ms Johnstone's factual claims need to be corrected.
The "EU" is taking no step whatsoever to strip Hungary of its political rights. The
(according to Ms Johnstone, "largely rubber stamp") European Parliament has adopted a
resolution calling on the Member States to sanction Hungary. The EP always does something
attention-grabbing in the run up to elections and since Ms Johnstone once worked for the
European Parliament (as a far-leftist!), I'm sure she knows that. Imposing sanctions, as
always in the EU, is a matter for the sovereign Member States and the decision has to be
unanimous. Poland has already said it will not vote for sanctions, so the whole thing is a
dead letter. Secondly, the claim that Hungary "never had a colonial empire" is untrue. It
never had a colonial empire outside Europe but before 1918, it ruled over Slovakia, most of
Croatia, Transylvania, now part of Romania, and the Vojvodina, now part of Serbia (so much
for Ms Johnstone's supposed "expertise" on ex-Yugoslavia!). In general, the frantic, almost
hysterical, tone of the article suggests that Ms Johnstone doesn't believe that Viktor Orban
is going to be the cause of the imminent and inevitable demise of the hated EU that she has
been predicting for as long as I have been reading her articles (and that goes back at least
14 years!).
@Michael Kenny The usual anti-EU propaganda that Ms Johnstone has been peddling for at
least a dozen years, although she has recently moved from claiming to be a far-leftist to
claiming to be a far-rightest. Whatever pretext "proves" the EU to be evil is trotted out!
However, she points out very clearly Viktor Orban's dilemma. The choice for Hungary is
between the EU and Putin's tanks. After 40 years of occupation by a Soviet Union in which the
ethnic Russians acted as colonial overlords and the general contempt which Hungarians have
for Slavs, choosing the latter option would be political suicide for any Hungarian leader.
Thus, Orban is stuck with the EU whether he likes it or not and the other Member States are
stuck with Orban whether they like it or not. In addition, two of Ms Johnstone's factual
claims need to be corrected. The "EU" is taking no step whatsoever to strip Hungary of its
political rights. The (according to Ms Johnstone, "largely rubber stamp") European Parliament
has adopted a resolution calling on the Member States to sanction Hungary. The EP always does
something attention-grabbing in the run up to elections and since Ms Johnstone once worked
for the European Parliament (as a far-leftist!), I'm sure she knows that. Imposing sanctions,
as always in the EU, is a matter for the sovereign Member States and the decision has to be
unanimous. Poland has already said it will not vote for sanctions, so the whole thing is a
dead letter. Secondly, the claim that Hungary "never had a colonial empire" is untrue. It
never had a colonial empire outside Europe but before 1918, it ruled over Slovakia, most of
Croatia, Transylvania, now part of Romania, and the Vojvodina, now part of Serbia (so much
for Ms Johnstone's supposed "expertise" on ex-Yugoslavia!). In general, the frantic, almost
hysterical, tone of the article suggests that Ms Johnstone doesn't believe that Viktor Orban
is going to be the cause of the imminent and inevitable demise of the hated EU that she has
been predicting for as long as I have been reading her articles (and that goes back at least
14 years!). Judging by your name, you are not a European, but an Englishman, or from
somewhere else in the Anglosphere. It is a good thing for England and especially the English
to be leaving the EuSSR, which is more of a prison than commonly realized. Ruled by a greedy
class of corrupt and, to make it worse, utterly mediocre, politicians, incompetent and stupid
bureaucrats (yes, I know this is an oxymoron) in the exclusive interest of ruthless big
corporations, human rights do not exist in the EuSSR.
Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, Europe has seen a wave of privatizations on a scale
only comparable to what happened in the former USSR. Nevertheless, taxation has increased to
a point where today, the average EuSSR "citizen" pays between 75% and 80% taxes on every Euro
he earns. The middle class is on its way to extinction. The judiciary is a joke, education
has been dismantled or stupidified, health care is a disaster, save in Southern Europe where
many doctors and nurses still have a sense of humanity.
The piece by Mrs. Johnstone may not be flawless, but it says what needs to be said.
70 years ago the Democrat party in the American South was the party of regular working
class White Southerners and promoted Southern heritage and Southern history including
Confederate history.
Then things change.
Now the national Democrat party and the Democrat party in the South hates Whites
Southerners, hates Southern heritage and Southern history and are promoting the desecration
of Confederate monuments and confederate graves.
60 years ago Hungarian was under Soviet Communist domination and Hungarian patriots looked
to the West – especially American and Great Britain to help them achieve some personal
freedom from Communism.
Now things have completely changed. It's the Wester (EU) UK BBC, American mass media that
restricts freedom and National Christianity in Hungary and pretty much everywhere else.
Russia is once again a health European Christian nation. Nobody in Hungary, Eastern Europe or
Russia wants to allow their countries to be invaded by millions of 3rd world Muslim
rapists.
So I living in Chicago IL (Obama was my neighbor) look to Hungary, Poland, Russia and
Eastern Europe for any small dose of freedom.
Unz also exhumes Jacob Schiff to show how this Wall Street banker jump started the
Bolshevik Revolution, so it was really a deep hatred of Russia, and not any idealism, that
triggered the bloodiest chapter in human history. Though only 4% of Russia's population,
Jews made up 80-85% of the early Soviet government, Unz points out, and they dominated the
Gulag administration and the terrifying NKVD.
Back during the US Civil War, which was largely the result of Rothschild meddling and
financing of both sides, Abraham Lincoln anticipated a surprise attack by the British and
French. So he requested assistance from Tsar Alexander II who in turn mobilized the Russian
fleet and docked at both New York and San Francisco. Rothschild never forgave this 'insult'
by the Russians, hence Jacob Schiff and his cohorts helping to fund and orchestrate the
Bolshevik Revolution which was, essentially, an act of revenge.
By the way, it would be remiss not to mention the hard fact that it was Jewish individuals
who owned almost every slave ship during the Transatlantic Slave Trade and also dominated the
Triangle Trade (molasses/rum/slaves). True history has been deliberately twisted so as to
portray whites as though being the sole culprits of African slavery in the West. As another
point of fact, it was white Christians who fought to end slavery. Ironically, after slavery
had ended, Jews such as Rabbi Stephen Wise began to finance and form various 'civil rights'
groups such as the NAACP, in a naked attempt to establish themselves as championing freedom
and equality, whereas this was most obviously not the case prior to the Emancipation
Proclamation. Reason being, they could use blacks and other "oppressed minorities" as a fifth
column of sorts to exploit racial frictions from within and thus serve as a convenient
distraction from the more negative activities befallen all of Western civilization which,
shamefully, continues to the present day.
Update–"The Israeli pilots used the Russian plane as cover and set it up to
be targeted by the Syrian air defense forces. As a consequence, the Il-20, which has radar
cross-section much larger than the F-16, was shot down by an S-200 system missile," the
statement said.
It will not be any new information for regular readers here of course but it is well
edited and produced and good for sharing with friends who have not yet questioned too much
the narrative on Syria.
... "What we have is a desperate corporate media, dutifully parroting the nonsense from the US State Department, and investing
virtually nothing in on-the-ground investigative reporting. But real evidence? We are in very, VERY short supply of that."
... From article: He [Clegg] also argued that the country should lose the right to host the 2018 World Cup after Russian
troops allegedly downed the civilian airliner Flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine last July. Well, there's evidence in itself. Ei incumbit
probatio qui dicit, non qui negat. (The burden of proof is on he who declares, not on he who denies). He wants to punish before the
publication o the report. It's like a mediaeval witch-hunt. The law of the jungle seems to be Clegg's guiding principle. No surprise
he's been banned.
..."I can only assume it is as badge of honour if you buy into all the dimwitted propaganda being published by the western corporate
media -- who seem to have a daily axe to grind against the Russian state, but who say nothing about the warmongering actions of the
US. I imagine I would have the same opinion of you if I was to uncritically swallow such toxic rubbish."
..."The only way to effectively block people from other regions (blanket censor them, in other words) would be to positively identify
the source. All that you would likely achieve is blocking actual individual commentators and letting through the government astroturfers.
Why you would want to resort to such tactics is worth asking. The 'Western side' may be losing the propaganda war with Russia because
our lies are bigger and harder to sell -- rather than Pooty-poot being cleverer. Repeated debunked claims in our media are also going
to be far more damaging than anything similar in Russia. The problem doesn't lie with those you are asserting to be 'trolls' that are
disputing the reporting -- the problem lies with the reporting.
Notable quotes:
"... But it's very suspect when you say things like "Putin's created a criminal war in East Ukraine" when it was Kiev which started the violence in reaction to the Russian Ukrainians voting for Federalization in response to the coup in Kiev. It means that everything else you write has to be treated as suspect. ..."
"... alpamysh ... you've merely regurgitated the standard NeoCon list of justifications for why a democratically-elected leader needed to be overthrown ..."
"... The article isn't worth the headline really. The new cold war is on and obviously they'll be barring each other. ..."
"... On the other hand the EU has also put an entry ban on leading Russian politicians, among which are the chairman of the Federation council, politicians from the state Duma and also close advisors to the Russian president Vladimir Putin. It is not anticipated that either side will lift the entry bans in the near future. (Excerpt and rough translation from German) ..."
"... "In December, Nuland reminded Ukrainian business leaders that, to help Ukraine achieve "its European aspirations, we have invested more than $5 billion." She said the U.S. goal was to take "Ukraine into the future that it deserves," by which she meant into the West's orbit and away from Russia's. ..."
"... But President Yanukovych rejected a European Union plan that would have imposed harsh austerity on the already impoverished Ukraine. He accepted a more generous $15 billion loan from Russia, which also has propped up Ukraine's economy with discounted natural gas. Yanukovych's decision sparked anti-Russian street protests in Kiev, located in the country's western and more pro-European region. ..."
"... By late January, Nuland was discussing with U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt who should be allowed in the new government. ..."
"... "Yats is the guy," Nuland said in a phone call to Pyatt that was intercepted and posted online. "He's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the guy you know." By "Yats," Nuland was referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who had served as head of the central bank, foreign minister and economic minister - and who was committed to harsh austerity. ..."
"... Well, there's evidence in itself. Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat. (The burden of proof is on he who declares, not on he who denies). He wants to punish before the publication o the report. It's like a mediaeval witch-hunt. The law of the jungle seems to be Clegg's guiding principle. No surprise he's been banned. ..."
"... "Putin wants sanctions" ... what a bunch of silly conjecture. As for "Putin style rule" and "Tzar" .. you presumably know that Russia held democratic elections which Putin won. ..."
"... let me guess, The list probably contains politicians whose real loyalty maybe is with the US? Judge from the 2 names mentioned, Malcolm Riffkind is Co-Vice Chair of the Global Panel Foundation – America – with Dr. Dov S. Zakheim, the former U.S Under-Secretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Armed Forces. ..."
"... your constant anti-Russia/Putin comments mark you as a shill/troll ..."
"... What we have is a desperate corporate media, dutifully parroting the nonsense from the US State Department, and investing virtually nothing in on-the-ground investigative reporting. But real evidence? We are in very, VERY short supply of that. ..."
"... I can only assume it is as badge of honour if you buy into all the dimwitted propaganda being published by the western corporate media - ..."
"... We're the global overlords, and so second-rate nations aren't allowed to reciprocate our petulant actions. When they do so it causes some people to question the assumed status of the 'Western' hegemony (and our claimed system of morally superior 'values'). We can't allow that sort of thing, Popeyes. ..."
"... The Guardian has a clear pro-EU/USA position on the new cold war against Russia. ..."
"... The 'Western side' may be losing the propaganda war with Russia because our lies are bigger and harder to sell -- rather than Pooty-poot being cleverer. ..."
"... The problem doesn't lie with those you are asserting to be 'trolls' that are disputing the reporting -- the problem lies with the reporting. ..."
JordanFromLondon -> Havingalavrov 31 May 2015 12:26
"Look at the Moscow apartment bombings"... look at any number of CIA false flag operations. As for "most of the national T.V
is Putin press." ... Murdoch has a controlling interest in printed press and a large share of TV news in Australia and the UK.
Maybe you are one of the CIA-employed agitators against Russia, or maybe you have a chip on your shoulder about a failed relationship
with a Russia bride. I can't be sure from your comments.
But it's very suspect when you say things like "Putin's created a criminal war in East Ukraine" when it was Kiev which
started the violence in reaction to the Russian Ukrainians voting for Federalization in response to the coup in Kiev. It means
that everything else you write has to be treated as suspect.
Huo Fu Yan 31 May 2015 12:24
I don't see a big issue with that list. If some people from that list travel anywhere, it will be considered wasting tax payer
money anyways. They aren't even embraced by a majority in their own countries, some of them belonging to totally irrelevant weird
initiative, shouting and crying about this and that.
For others on that list, being linked to military organisations, the should be banned naturally. As for vacation, I don't think
Russia was on those guys list either
JordanFromLondon -> alpamysh 31 May 2015 12:14
alpamysh ... you've merely regurgitated the standard NeoCon list of justifications for why a democratically-elected leader
needed to be overthrown(e.g. Egypt's Morsi). If we take your "Hitler was elected" argument, we can apply that one
to any election outcome. If you won your high school "class monitor" election ... we'll Hitler won an election too. It's nothing
more than a lazy smear by association. If we take your "rigs the right of the opposition" argument, well there goes Israel's claims
to democracy. They arrest/ban viable Arab opposition figures to prevent them standing in elections. Also, we have to eliminate
Ukraine, who have assassinated about 12 of Yanukovich's inner circle since the coup.
uzzername 31 May 2015 12:09
The article isn't worth the headline really. The new cold war is on and obviously they'll be barring each other.
Russia, along with the rest of BRICS is an emerging economy. While in the developed economies big corporations scramble for
every penny they rip off off the consumers, the BRICS are a goldmine for adventurous capitalists as you can score quite a bit
of dope in one scoop if you invest enough in it.
That's why some of them suits on the list are pissed off. Obvs not because their summer holiday in Siberia has gone into smithereens.
umweltAT2100 31 May 2015 12:04
According to a report in ARD (German state media) the entry ban is a reaction / retaliation in response to the entry ban imposed
on Russians in connection with the Crimea annexation. Approximately 200 people are on the Russian black list. The largest number
are from the USA, with the Republican John McCain declared "persona non grata", followed by Canadian politicians.
On the other hand the EU has also put an entry ban on leading Russian politicians, among which are the chairman of the
Federation council, politicians from the state Duma and also close advisors to the Russian president Vladimir Putin. It is not
anticipated that either side will lift the entry bans in the near future. (Excerpt and rough translation from German)
Russian entry ban for dozens of politicians – Moscow's black list is out. (Hermann Krause, ARD Radio studio, Moscow,
30.05.2015)
Russische Einreiseverbote für Dutzende Politiker Moskaus "schwarze Liste" ist raus. Von Hermann Krause, ARD-Hörfunkstudio Moskau,
30.05.2015
Victoria Nuland and the neocons to be more precise,
"In December, Nuland reminded Ukrainian business leaders that, to help Ukraine achieve "its European aspirations, we have
invested more than $5 billion." She said the U.S. goal was to take "Ukraine into the future that it deserves," by which she meant
into the West's orbit and away from Russia's.
But President Yanukovych rejected a European Union plan that would have imposed harsh austerity on the already impoverished
Ukraine. He accepted a more generous $15 billion loan from Russia, which also has propped up Ukraine's economy with discounted
natural gas. Yanukovych's decision sparked anti-Russian street protests in Kiev, located in the country's western and more pro-European
region.
Nuland was soon at work planning for "regime change," encouraging disruptive street protests by personally passing out cookies
to the anti-government demonstrators. She didn't seem to notice or mind that the protesters in Kiev's Maidan square had hoisted
a large banner honoring Stepan Bandera, a Ukrainian nationalist who collaborated with the German Nazis during World War II and
whose militias participated in atrocities against Jews and Poles.
By late January, Nuland was discussing with U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt who should be allowed in the new
government.
"Yats is the guy," Nuland said in a phone call to Pyatt that was intercepted and posted online. "He's got the economic
experience, the governing experience. He's the guy you know." By "Yats," Nuland was referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who had served
as head of the central bank, foreign minister and economic minister - and who was committed to harsh austerity.
As Assistant Secretary Nuland and Sen. McCain cheered the demonstrators on, the street protests turned violent. Police clashed
with neo-Nazi bands, the ideological descendants of Bandera's anti-Russian Ukrainians who collaborated with the Nazi SS during
World War II.
With the crisis escalating and scores of people killed in the street fighting, Yanukovych agreed to a E.U.-brokered deal that
called for moving up scheduled elections and having the police stand down. The neo-Nazi storm troopers then seized the opening
to occupy government buildings and force Yanukovych and many of his aides to flee for their lives." https://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/02/what-neocons-want-from-ukraine-crisis/
JordanFromLondon -> alpamysh 31 May 2015 11:53
What proof do you have that the Russian elections were phony ? The results were in line with independent opinion polls. Which
referendums was phony ? The first Iraqi election after Sadam was toppled was certainly phony. The US military whisked away the
ballot boxes for a week after voting was completed before announcing that the Shia (60% of Iraqis) had failed to get a majority
(despite the 20% Bathist Sunni boycotting the election so only the 20% Kurds voted against the 60% Shia).
geedeesee -> SnarkyGrumpkin 31 May 2015 11:50
From article: He [Clegg] also argued that the country should lose the right to host the 2018 World Cup after Russian troops
allegedly downed the civilian airliner Flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine last July.
Well, there's evidence in itself. Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat. (The burden of proof is on he who declares,
not on he who denies). He wants to punish before the publication o the report. It's like a mediaeval witch-hunt. The law of the
jungle seems to be Clegg's guiding principle. No surprise he's been banned.
JordanFromLondon -> Havingalavrov 31 May 2015 11:45
"Putin wants sanctions" ... what a bunch of silly conjecture. As for "Putin style rule" and "Tzar" .. you presumably know
that Russia held democratic elections which Putin won. That's more than many of the US/UK allies can say (take your pick
of the Gulf state leaders). Don't buy into the mindless anti-Russian propaganda doing the rounds. I suspect that it's intended
to soften public opnion for anti-Russian attrocities committed in our name to come.
Huo Fu Yan -> David Port 31 May 2015 11:36
It's true, 1/3 the list are politicians and military leader from Poland and baltics with no intend to enter Russia anyways.
The rest are merely people engaged in military organisations (should be banned naturally) or weird political groups and initiatives.
Furthermore, there are a few irrelevant politicians on the list for whatever reason. To be frank, a few people from that list
you wouldt want in your own country either.
meewaan 31 May 2015 11:07
let me guess, The list probably contains politicians whose real loyalty maybe is with the US? Judge from the 2 names mentioned,
Malcolm Riffkind is Co-Vice Chair of the Global Panel Foundation – America – with Dr. Dov S. Zakheim, the former U.S Under-Secretary
of Defense and Comptroller of the Armed Forces.
Not sure about banning Nick Clegg, - has his wife remunerated by her work for companies linked to the US? Take, for example,
Mrs Clegg's firm's advertisement (again, on its website) of the fact it makes considerable sums from helping rich people avoid
inheritance tax, saying that it offers 'personal estate planning advice and financial and tax-planning services to high net worth
individuals'.
'We combine sophisticated estate planning skills with international resources . . . We help U.S. and non-U.S. trustees and
beneficiaries transfer wealth efficiently through lifetime and testamentary trusts designed to minimise tax exposure.'
SuchindranathAiyer 31 May 2015 10:35
It required a "Tit for Tat" to establish that sanctions are working? Here is the geo-political back drop:
Reigan and Gorby arrived at certain agreements and understandings which Clinton (the husband) violated. He pulled Poland and
others into NATO and bombed Russian ally Belgrade, violating international law, while a helpless Russia fumed, for 84 days to
given Islam its first ethnically cleansed enclaves (Bosnia and Kosovo) after 1489.
Bush (the son), declared the "Star Wars" missile shield in direct violation of the Regan-Gorbachev agreements while Russia
continued to fume, but began to re arm and prepare itself for war. Apart from, of course, violating International Law and invading
Russian ally Iraq to distract anger over 9/11 from Saudi Arabia and its Nuclear-Terrorist sword arm Pakistan and threw thriving
communities of Jews, Christians, Yazidis, discos and bars that the Saudis, Qataris and Kuwaitis resented into the maws of Islam.
Russia fumed and continued to rearm and began to rally around Putin's nationalism. The US commenced "regime change" operations
in Russian (and Iraqi) Secular ally Syria, throwing even more Jews, Christians, Yazidis and Kurds into the maws of Islam. US was
to weakened by Iraq to wage war unilaterally in Syria. China and Russia blocked the US at the UN. Putin wrote an open letter to
Obama on Syria in the NY Times which gained traction with the American Citizens, bending Obama's nose and driving the US regime
change operation in Syria further under ground (covert). Prince Bandar (what an appropriate name!) head of Saudi intelligence
went ot Moscow to bribe Putin to back the putsch in Syria. Putin refused and told Bandar that if Islam tried a Beslan at Sochi,
he would bomb the Q'aba. This bent the Saudi nose. So the US commenced operation regime change in Ukraine. This sparked the secession
of Crime to Russia. The US fumed and fretted because its more develoed and intelligent NATO allies (France and Germany) would
not back the US backed fascist regime in Ukraine. The US shot down MH-17 in a false flag operation and started a canard against
Russia to revive NATO. There is a NATO now imposing US-Saudi conceived sanctions on Russia. We are now in the Second Cold War
so NATO won't go away. Russia and China will ally because, Clinton to Obama, the US has demonstrated the dangers of a unipolar
world, particularly as Islamic Petro Dollars own the decision and opinion makers of the West and have used the US military to
further the Islamic agenda as much as carry on with the old anti-Communist prejudices. (While Russia is not Totalitarian, China
is. India is really the last Soviet franchise in the World with its "Animal Farm" totalitarian Constitution and thinking which
is why the US is an ally of Pakistan and as hostile to India as to Russia. Consider that as recently as 2012, the man who lolls
in Lutyen's drawing room today moved "retrospective" legislation in the same Parliament that nationalized 20% of private (non
minority) education and removed the truth from Govt approved History text books, in the highest traditions of Nehru, Ambedkar
and Indira Gandhi.)
wilpost37 -> AbsolutelyFapulous 31 May 2015 10:33
Absolutely/Goman
Almost all the tourists of Crimea were Ukrainians before 2014. They stopped coming, and likely are spending their vacation
elsewhere.
Crimea is rebuilding its infrastructures (Kiev had neglected them for 22 years), and its tourist base.
It expects to have over 4 million visitors in 2015 and 5 million in 2016, because many Russians are no longer going to EU countries,
and are going to Crimea, Sochi, etc., instead. It will take time, but Crimea is a beautiful area.
Crimea became part of the Russian Empire by conquest over the Tartars in 1793.
The Tartars had been kidnapping nearby people (several million over many decades) and selling them to the Turks. Catherine
the Great put an end to that.
Khrushev was stupid to give it to Ukraine in 1954.
After the CIA/FBI-assisted coup of Kiev, the Crimean people, 67% Russian, feared for their future, as did the Donbas people.
SHappens 31 May 2015 10:24
"Just one thing remains unclear: did our European co-workers want these lists to minimise inconveniences for potential 'denied
persons' or to stage a political show?"
It is pretty clear that it turned out to be another media circus.
Socraticus -> alpamysh 31 May 2015 10:12
Lesson 1 - everyone on this site is a guest, you included
Lesson 2 - the majority of posters herein are actually westerners, not 'Russian trolls'
Lesson 3 - all politicians lie to advance their own social/economic/political agendas
Lesson 4 - all MSM distort/suppress the truth to support governmental narratives
Lesson 5 - many of us westerners actually bother to investigate the true facts
Lesson 6 - if a leader's being demonized its because they won't capitulate to the US
Lesson 7 - every illicit invasion is preceded by demonization of a leader/country
Lesson 8 - your constant anti-Russia/Putin comments mark you as a shill/troll
Lesson 9 - you can educate yourself or remain blind to facts - your choice
Lesson 10 - you will learn the consequences of your choices
UnsleepingMind -> EssoBlue 31 May 2015 10:12
You realise that Russia is one the most important members of the BRICS and that they group has recently established a development
bank? That's hardly the sign that the other BRICS nations are not reading from the same hymn sheet as Russia...
What did anyone expect flowers from russia from the unfair treatment it's getting. The west paying for Ukraine part nazi government
and creating a coup in a democratically ekected president last february. Then sanctioning the Russian people expecting them to
turn in yheir president. The west should be ashamed of what they accomplished that being fronting a proxy war against Russia.
Vijay Raghavan -> Huo Fu Yan 31 May 2015 09:54
Developing all-round military-to-military relations. China's armed forces will further their exchanges and cooperation with
the Russian military within the framework of the comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination between China and Russia,
and foster a comprehensive, diverse and sustainable framework to promote military relations in more fields and at more levels
They made that statement in their white paper issued last week.Offcourse Guardian or BBC will not keep up with such "Breaking
News".
UnsleepingMind -> EssoBlue 31 May 2015 09:49
1) Yes, the BRICS countries are very much behind Russia.
2) Russia, unlike the US, has tabled a resolution to condemn Nazism and Nazi movements in the highest forum possible (the UN).
The US, along with Canada, and its puppet government in Ukraine, voted against it (in defiance of most of the world's nations).
You would think, with all the technology at the disposal of the US security state, that it might (just might) be able to provide
us with real, irrefutable evidence of a ground invasion. You know, perhaps some high resolution satellite imagery, the odd photo
of a modern Russian tank moving over the Ukrainian border, some chatter from the wires between embassy officials and security
personnel, etc., etc.
But of course we have nothing of the sort. What we have is a desperate corporate media, dutifully parroting the nonsense
from the US State Department, and investing virtually nothing in on-the-ground investigative reporting. But real evidence? We
are in very, VERY short supply of that.
UnsleepingMind -> ponott 31 May 2015 09:34
I can only assume it is as badge of honour if you buy into all the dimwitted propaganda being published by the western
corporate media -- who seem to have a daily axe to grind against the Russian state, but who say nothing about the warmongering
actions of the US. I imagine I would have the same opinion of you if I was to uncritically swallow such toxic rubbish.
UnsleepingMind -> alpamysh 31 May 2015 09:30
'Because we have the right to ban people who invade other countries'.
That's why we've recently arrested George Bush (who, with the help of Tony Blair invaded Iraq and Afghanistan), Barack Obama
(who bombed Libya, engineered coups in Honduras and Ukraine, and is now funding Islamic extremists in Syria)...
We reserve the right to ban, but we use that 'right' to ban official enemies (i.e. anyone daring to follow a geopolitical game
plan that is distinctly at odds with our own).
Also, your suggestion that Putin's Russia has invaded 'other countries' is preposterous. The western media has been spewing
this nonsense for months now and yet there is not a shred of real evidence (including hi-res satellite imagery) to back it up.
And if you are referring to Crimea, let me say this: Russia troops have been staged in Crimea for many, many years; moreover,
the people of Crimea voted to break with Ukraine in a recent referendum (not that that squares with your hectoring rhetoric).
PyrrhicVictory 31 May 2015 09:27
The doors of the gravy train for politicians like Clegg are fast closing. When we exit the EU, then the Brussels gravy train
will also be beyond him. He might, just might, having to start behaving like an honest politician for once and earn a decent wage
based on truth not lies.
johnsmith44 -> NegativeCamber 31 May 2015 09:25
Why dont you go spread democracy to some oil-producing Third World country, together with your poodles the brits? And make
sure you do it properly, so that monstrosities like ISIS are guaranteed?
ex-CIA personnel openly describing their involvement in the dowining of Korean Airlines passenger flight 007 over Siberia on
August 30, 1983 and I believe it becomes apparent who downed MH-17.
Jerome Fryer -> Popeyes 31 May 2015 09:11
We're the global overlords, and so second-rate nations aren't allowed to reciprocate our petulant actions. When they do
so it causes some people to question the assumed status of the 'Western' hegemony (and our claimed system of morally superior
'values'). We can't allow that sort of thing, Popeyes.
davidncldl 31 May 2015 09:10
The Guardian has a clear pro-EU/USA position on the new cold war against Russia. Mr Putin is their democratically
elected leader and he is enormously popular. Only an imbecile would be surprised or indignant about Russia retaliating for unjust
EU/US sanctions. What do the globalisers and bankers' friends at the Guardian expect? I imagine you think that the ruination of
the Venezuelan and Russian economies by the manipulation of the oil price is just "free market" activity.
Hass Castorp 31 May 2015 09:07
"More than 6,200 people have been killed in fighting between Ukrainian government forces and pro-Russian separatists."
This is a language of propaganda, Guardian. Last i checked Guardian advertised to be a newspaper, not a bulletin of The Ministry
of Truth.
My reformulation; "More than 6200 (in some estimates up to 50.000) have been killed and up to 1 million civilians displaced
(who mostly fled to Russia) by Ukrainian government troops and private terrorist kommandos of Ukrainian oligarchs."
Jerome Fryer -> henry919 31 May 2015 09:03
The only way to effectively block people from other regions (blanket censor them, in other words) would be to positively identify
the source. All that you would likely achieve is blocking actual individual commentators and letting through the government astroturfers.
Why you would want to resort to such tactics is worth asking. The 'Western side' may be losing the propaganda war with
Russia because our lies are bigger and harder to sell -- rather than Pooty-poot being cleverer.
Repeated debunked claims in our media are also going to be far more damaging than anything similar in Russia. The problem
doesn't lie with those you are asserting to be 'trolls' that are disputing the reporting -- the problem lies with the reporting.
(If your argument must be protected against criticism then it is a weak argument.)
In the late 1980's, an old friend of mine based in Moscow was calling her husband in the USA
late one night. She said it was a "typical dumb husband/wife call," mostly about a broken
garage door.
Around midnight, a gruff voice broke into the call. "This is your KGB listener. This is the
most boring, stupid call I've ever listened to. Shut up and go to bed!"
Ah, those innocent Cold War days. Today, Big Brother listens to your calls, reads your
email, and follows your internet searches on silent cat's feet.
China's Taoists warned, "you become what you hate." They are right: the September 2001
attacks on the US, as John Le Carré wrote, producing a period of temporary psychosis.
America was knocked back to the ugly days of Sen. McCarthy's Red Scare of the 1950's. The big
difference was that today the bogeymen of "terrorists" have replaced menacing Marxists. And
today, terrorists were everywhere.
To incompetently attempt to murder their targets by spraying the deadliest nerve agent in
existence onto the doorknobs of their suburban homes and then stroll around getting filmed by
every CCTV camera in Britain.
As far as I know, the British tabloids haven't yet published surveillance photos of Corbyn
welcoming the Skripal assassins at Gatwick with a wreath, or a bottle of Stoli (and wearing
his
Russian-stooge hat , of course), but I won't be terribly shocked when they do.
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in
Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing
(USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is
published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org .
"... There is less shame in being undone by a "master of deceit." When J. Edgar Hoover coined that description, he had Communists in mind. Back then, though, "Ruskies" and "Commies" – it was all the same. Americans were conditioned to live in fear that the Russians were coming. ..."
"... That nonsense should have ended when Communism more or less officially expired in 1989, followed two years later by the demise of the Soviet Union itself. For a long time, it seemed that it had. At first, the reaction in Western, especially American, political and media circles was triumphalist. The war was over and our side won. Beneath the surface, however, there was mourning in America. ..."
"... With the Cold War, the death merchants, the masters of war, the neocons, and a host of others had had a good thing going. Having been born into it, the political class was comfortable with the status quo too; and generations of Americans had grown up imbibing Russophobia in their mother's milk (or infant formula). ..."
"... Before long, it became clear that our economic and political masters had nothing to worry about, that Cold War anti-Communism was more robust than Communism itself. ..."
"... That suited Bill Clinton and his First Lady, the former Goldwater Girl. Boris Yeltsin, Russia's leader, was their man. He was a godsend, a Trump-like cartoon character and a drunkard to boot – with an economy in tatters, and no rightwing base egging him on. ..."
"... The time was therefore right for a return of the repressed -- for full-blooded, fifties-style, anti-Communist (= anti-Russian) hysteria, or, since that still seemed far-fetched, for anti-Communist (= anti-Chinese) hysteria. ..."
"... Exactly what "Putin," the shorthand name for all that is Russian and nefarious, did, or is still doing, remains unclear. But this does not seem to bother purveyors of the conventional wisdom. Neither is ostensibly informed public opinion fazed by the fact that the evidence supporting the consensus view comes mainly from American intelligence services and from their counterparts in the UK and other allied nations. ..."
"... How ironic therefore that nowadays it is mainly bamboozled Trump supporters in the Fox News demographic -- people who could care less about peace or, for that matter, about truth -- who are wary of the CIA and skeptical of the FBI's claims! ..."
"... They do not even seem to notice that what they allege, vague as it is, is trifling compared to the massive and very open meddling of American plutocrats, Republican vote suppressers and gerrymanderers, and the governments of supposedly friendly nations – like Saudi Arabia, the Gulf monarchies, and Israel ..."
"... Cold War revivalists can therefore rest easy, confident that their propagandists will have at least a few facts with which they can work to restore the perils of their vanished youth. ..."
"... Even so, the level of their hypocrisy is appalling. Russia, along with former Soviet republics and former members of the Warsaw Pact, has been bearing the brunt of far worse American meddling for far longer than anything sanctimonious defenders of so-called American "democracy" can plausibly allege. ..."
"... Hypocrisy reigns here too. It was the Obama administration – run through with neocons, liberal imperialists, and other holdovers from Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State – that did all it could to exacerbate longstanding tensions between that country's Ukrainian and Russian speaking populations, the better to complete NATO's encirclement of the Russian federation. And it was American meddling that led to the empowerment of virulently anti-Russian, fascisant Ukrainian politicians, much to the detriment of Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east. ..."
"... The Cold War that began after World War II involved a clash of rival political economic systems. The Cold War that reignited a few years ago involves a clash of rival imperialist centers. Its world more nearly resembles the one that existed before World War I than the one that emerged after World War II. ..."
"... However, the difference may be more superficial than it seems. The ease with which Cold War revivalists have been able to get the Cold War up and running again, even without Communism, suggests what a few observers have long maintained -- that the Cold War, on Russia's part, had little, if anything, to do with spreading Communism around the world, and everything to do with maintaining a cordon sanitaire around Russia's borders in order to protect against a demonstrably aggressive "free world." ..."
"... That part of Brzezinski's plan was at least a partial success. But inasmuch as Bush's "they" are still there, still spreading murder and mayhem throughout the Greater Middle East, America and the world has been paying a high price for the benefits, such as they were, that ensued. ..."
"... The never-ending wars set in motion by the "pivot" towards radical Islamism decades ago never quite succeeded in producing an enemy as serviceable as the USSR. But now that Putin's Russia has been pressed into service, that problem is potentially "solved." ..."
"... Efforts to recycle Bush's "they hate our freedom" nonsense ought to be non-starters. But this is the best Cold War revivalists have come up with so far. The Russians, they say, simply cannot deal with the fact that we Americans are so damned free. ..."
"... From a geopolitical point of view, Russia does have an interest in doing all it can to ward off Western aggression. It also has an interest in undermining strategic alliances aimed at blocking anything and everything that challenges American supremacy. And, until sanity prevails in Washington and other Western capitals, it arguably also has an interest in aiding and abetting rightwing nationalists in order to exacerbate tensions within Western societies. ..."
"... Clinton is bad, but Trump is worse -- not just by most measures but by all. Her fondness for war and preparations for war was alarming; she was bellicosity personified. But it was plain even before the election that Trump, a mentally unhinged narcissist, would be even more likely than she to bring on massive devastation. A vote for Trump was and still is a vote for catastrophe. ..."
"... For now, though, the hard and very relevant fact is that Trump has done nothing to help, and quite a few things to harm, Russia. ..."
"... It isn't just ordinary Russians who have been made worse off. Trump has been at least as hard on oligarchs close to Putin as Clinton would have been. ..."
"... If those damned Russians were half as smart as they are made out to be, they would have realized long ago that, for getting anything done that bucks the tide, Trump is too inept to be of any use at all; and that anything he sets out to do is likely to turn out badly not just for America and its allies but for Russia too. ..."
There is less shame in being undone by a "master of deceit." When J. Edgar Hoover coined that description, he had Communists in mind. Back then, though,
"Ruskies" and "Commies" – it was all the same. Americans were conditioned to live in fear
that the Russians were coming.
That nonsense should have ended when Communism more or less officially expired in 1989,
followed two years later by the demise of the Soviet Union itself. For a long time, it seemed
that it had. At first, the reaction in Western, especially American, political and media circles was
triumphalist. The war was over and our side won. Beneath the surface, however, there was mourning in America.
With the Cold War, the death merchants, the masters of war, the neocons, and a host of
others had had a good thing going. Having been born into it, the political class was
comfortable with the status quo too; and generations of Americans had grown up imbibing
Russophobia in their mother's milk (or infant formula).
It turned out, though, that American triumphalism was only a phase. Before long, it became
clear that our economic and political masters had nothing to worry about, that Cold War
anti-Communism was more robust than Communism itself.
However, in the final days of Bush 41 and then at the dawn of the Clinton era, nobody knew
that. Nobody gave America's propaganda system the credit it deserved.
Also, nobody quite realized how devastating Russia's regression to capitalism would be, and
nobody quite grasped the savagery of the kleptocrats who had taken charge of what remained of
the Russian state.
For more than a decade, the situation in that late great superpower was too dire to sustain
the old fears and animosities. Capitalism had made Russia wretched again.
That suited Bill Clinton and his First Lady, the former Goldwater Girl. Boris Yeltsin,
Russia's leader, was their man. He was a godsend, a Trump-like cartoon character and a drunkard
to boot – with an economy in tatters, and no rightwing base egging him on.
But anti-Communism (without Communism) and its close cousin, Russophobia, could not remain
in remission forever. The need for them was too great.
In the Age of Obama, the Global War on Terror, with or without that ludicrous Bush 43-era
name, wasn't cutting it anymore. It was, and still is, good for keeping America's perpetual war
regime going and for undoing civil liberties, but there had never been much glory in it, only
endless misery for all. Also it was getting old and increasingly easy to see through.
The time was therefore right for a return of the repressed -- for full-blooded,
fifties-style, anti-Communist (= anti-Russian) hysteria, or, since that still seemed
far-fetched, for anti-Communist (= anti-Chinese) hysteria.
This was not the only factor behind the Obama administration's "pivot towards Asia," its
largely failed attempt to take China down a notch or two, but it was an important part of the
story.
However, by the time Obama and his team decided to pivot, China had become too important to
the United States economically to make a good Cold War enemy. Worse still, it had for too long
been an object of pity and contempt, not fear.
When the Soviet Union was an enemy, China was an enemy too, most glaringly during the Korean
War. It remained an enemy even after the Sino-Soviet split became too obvious to deny. However,
unlike post-1917 Russia, it had never quite become an historical foe.
Moreover, as Russia began to recover from the Yeltsin era, the Russian political class, and
many of the oligarchs behind them, sensing the popular mood, decided that the time was ripe "to
make Russia great again." Putin is not so much a cause as he is a symptom – and symbol
– of this aspiration.
And so, there it was: the longed for new Cold War would be much like the one that seemed
over a quarter century ago.
***
As everyone who has seen, heard or read anything about the 2016 election "knows," Russian
intelligence services (= Putin) meddled. Everyone also "knows" that, with midterm elections
looming, they are at it again.
This, according to the mainstream consensus view, is a bona fide casus belli , a
justification for war. To be sure, what they want is a war that remains cold; ending life on
earth, as we know it, is not on their agenda.
But inasmuch as cold wars can easily turn hot, this hardly mitigates the recklessness of
their machinations. Humankind was extraordinarily lucky last time; there is no guarantee that
all that luck will hold.
Exactly what "Putin," the shorthand name for all that is Russian and nefarious, did, or is
still doing, remains unclear. But this does not seem to bother purveyors of the conventional
wisdom. Neither is ostensibly informed public opinion fazed by the fact that the evidence supporting
the consensus view comes mainly from American intelligence services and from their counterparts
in the UK and other allied nations.
Time was when anyone with any sense understood that these intelligence services, the
American ones especially, are second to none in meddling in the affairs of other nations, and
that the American national security state – essentially our political police -- is
comprised, by design, of liars and deceivers.
How ironic therefore that nowadays it is mainly bamboozled Trump supporters in the Fox News
demographic -- people who could care less about peace or, for that matter, about truth -- who
are wary of the CIA and skeptical of the FBI's claims!
Try as they might, the manufacturers and guardians of conventional wisdom have so far been
unable to concoct a plausible story in which Russian meddling affected the outcome of the 2016
election in any serious way. The idea that the Russians defeated Hillary, not Hillary herself,
is, to borrow a phrase from Jeremy Bentham, "nonsense on stilts." Leading Democrats and their
media flacks don't seem to mind that either.
They do not even seem to notice that what they allege, vague as it is, is trifling compared
to the massive and very open meddling of American plutocrats, Republican vote suppressers and
gerrymanderers, and the governments of supposedly friendly nations – like Saudi Arabia,
the Gulf monarchies, and Israel.
Nevertheless, it probably is true that the Russians meddled. Cold War revivalists can
therefore rest easy, confident that their propagandists will have at least a few facts with
which they can work to restore the perils of their vanished youth.
Even so, the level of their hypocrisy is appalling. Russia, along with former Soviet
republics and former members of the Warsaw Pact, has been bearing the brunt of far worse
American meddling for far longer than anything sanctimonious defenders of so-called American
"democracy" can plausibly allege.
Moreover, it should go without saying that the democracy they purport to care so much about
has almost nothing to do with "the rule of the demos." It doesn't even have much to do with
free and fair competitive elections – unless "free and fair" means that anything goes, so
long as the principals and perpetrators are homegrown or citizens of favored nations.
Self-righteous posturing aside, Putin's real sin in the eyes of the American power elite is
that, in his own small way, he has been defying America's "right" to run the world as it sees
fit.
When Clinton was president, Serbia did that, and lived to regret it. Cuba has been suffering
for nearly six decades for the same reason, and now Venezuela is paying its dues. The empire is
merciless towards nations that rebel.
With Soviet support and then with sheer determination and grit, Cuba has been able to
withstand the onslaught to some extent from Day One. Venezuela may not be so lucky –
especially now that Republicans and Democrats feel threatened by the growing number of
"democratic socialists" in their midst. Already, the propaganda system is targeting Venezuelan
"socialism," blaming it for that country's woes, and warning that if our newly minted,
homegrown socialists prevail, a similar fate will be in store for us.
This is ludicrous, of course – American hostility and the vagaries of the global oil
market deserve the lion's share of the blame. But the on-going propaganda blitz could
nevertheless pave the way for horrors ahead, should Trump decide to start a war America could
actually win.
Inconsequential Russian meddling is a big deal on the "liberal" cable networks, on NPR, and
in the "quality" press. Democrats and a few Republicans love to bleat on about it. But it is
Ukraine that made Russia our "adversary" and its president Public Enemy Number One.
Hypocrisy reigns here too. It was the Obama administration – run through with neocons,
liberal imperialists, and other holdovers from Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State
– that did all it could to exacerbate longstanding tensions between that country's
Ukrainian and Russian speaking populations, the better to complete NATO's encirclement of the
Russian federation. And it was American meddling that led to the empowerment of virulently
anti-Russian, fascisant Ukrainian politicians, much to the detriment of Russian
speaking Ukrainians in the east.
But never mind: Putin – that is, the Russia government – violated international
law by sending troops briefly into beleaguered Russian-speaking parts of the country. That they
were generally welcomed by the people living there is of no importance.
Worst of all, Russia annexed Crimea – a territory integral to the Russian empire since
the eighteenth century. Since long before the Russian Revolution, Crimea has been home to a
huge naval base vital to Russia's strategic defense.
The story line back in the day was that anything that could be described as Russian
aggression outside the Soviet Union's agreed upon sphere of influence had to do with spreading
Communism. In fact, the Soviets did everything they could to keep Communist and other
insurgencies from upending the status quo. The mainstream narrative was wrong.
Now Communism is gone and nothing has taken its place. Even so, the idea that Russia has
designs on its neighbors for ideological reasons is hard to shake – in part because it is
actively promoted by propagandists who have suddenly and uncharacteristically become defenders
of international law.
Meanwhile, of course, the hypocrisies keep piling on. It is practically a tenet of the
American civil religion that international law applies to others, not to the United States.
This is why, when it suits some perceived purpose, America flaunts its violations
shamelessly.
Thus nothing the Russians did or are ever likely to do comes close to the shenanigans Bill
Clinton displayed – successfully, for the most part – in his efforts to tear Kosovo
away from Serbia. Clinton even went so far as to bomb Belgrade; Putin never bombed Kiev.
The Cold War that began after World War II involved a clash of rival political economic
systems. The Cold War that reignited a few years ago involves a clash of rival imperialist
centers. Its world more nearly resembles the one that existed before World War I than the one
that emerged after World War II.
However, the difference may be more superficial than it seems. The ease with which Cold War
revivalists have been able to get the Cold War up and running again, even without Communism,
suggests what a few observers have long maintained -- that the Cold War, on Russia's part, had
little, if anything, to do with spreading Communism around the world, and everything to do with
maintaining a cordon sanitaire around Russia's borders in order to protect against a
demonstrably aggressive "free world."
George W. Bush claimed that 9/11 happened because "they hate our freedom." "They" would be
radical Islamists of the kind stirred into action in Afghanistan by Zbigniew Brzezinski and his
co-thinkers in the Carter administration. Their objective was to undermine the Soviet Union by
getting it bogged down in a quagmire like the one that did so much harm to the United States in
Vietnam.
That part of Brzezinski's plan was at least a partial success. But inasmuch as Bush's "they"
are still there, still spreading murder and mayhem throughout the Greater Middle East, America
and the world has been paying a high price for the benefits, such as they were, that
ensued.
The never-ending wars set in motion by the "pivot" towards radical Islamism decades ago
never quite succeeded in producing an enemy as serviceable as the USSR. But now that Putin's
Russia has been pressed into service, that problem is potentially "solved."
However, the American public is not as naïve as it used to be, and it is impossible to
say, at this point, how well this new story line will work.
Efforts to recycle Bush's "they hate our freedom" nonsense ought to be non-starters. But
this is the best Cold War revivalists have come up with so far. The Russians, they say, simply
cannot deal with the fact that we Americans are so damned free.
It is hard to believe, but there are people who are actually buying this but, with a lot of
corporate media assistance, there are. No matter how clear it is that they are not worth being
taken seriously, Cold War mythologies just won't die.
However, it is worth pondering why today's Russia would do what it is alleged to have done;
and why, as is also alleged, it is still doing it.
From a geopolitical point of view, Russia does have an interest in doing all it can to ward
off Western aggression. It also has an interest in undermining strategic alliances aimed at
blocking anything and everything that challenges American supremacy. And, until sanity prevails
in Washington and other Western capitals, it arguably also has an interest in aiding and
abetting rightwing nationalists in order to exacerbate tensions within Western societies.
However, in view of prevailing power relations, these are interests it cannot do much to
advance. Acting as if this were not the case only puts Russia in a bad light -- not for
meddling, but for meddling stupidly.
No doubt, for reasons both fair and foul, Putin wanted Hillary to lose the election two
years ago. So, but for one little problem, would anyone whose head is screwed on right. That
problem's name is Donald Trump.
Clinton is bad, but Trump is worse -- not just by most measures but by all. Her fondness for war and preparations for war was alarming; she was bellicosity personified.
But it was plain even before the election that Trump, a mentally unhinged narcissist, would be
even more likely than she to bring on massive devastation. A vote for Trump was and still is a
vote for catastrophe.
Putin's enemy was Trump's enemy, and it is axiomatic that "the enemy of my enemy is my
friend" -- except sometimes it isn't. Sometimes, my enemy's enemy is an enemy far worse.
For reasons that remain obscure, Putin and Trump seem to have a "thing" going on between
them. Some day perhaps we will know what that is all about. For now, though, the hard and very
relevant fact is that Trump has done nothing to help, and quite a few things to harm,
Russia.
It isn't just ordinary Russians who have been made worse off. Trump has been at least as
hard on oligarchs close to Putin as Clinton would have been.
If those damned Russians were half as smart as they are made out to be, they would have
realized long ago that, for getting anything done that bucks the tide, Trump is too inept to be
of any use at all; and that anything he sets out to do is likely to turn out badly not just for
America and its allies but for Russia too.
Therefore, if there really was Russian meddling, as there probably was, Putin should be
ashamed – not so much for the DNC reasons laid out 24/7 on MSNBC and CNN, but for
overestimating Trump's abilities and for underestimating the extent to which what started out
as a maneuver of Hillary Clinton's, concocted to excuse her incompetence, would take a
perilously "viral" turn, becoming a major threat to peace in a political culture that never
quite got beyond the lunacy of the First Cold War.
To be banned by Amazon is not equivalent to being banned by any other private business.
Most publishers will admit that Amazon has replaced Bowker Books in Print as the industry's
authoritative guide to what books in English have been printed in the past and what is in
print now. Amazon is currently the reference source. For a book to be forbidden by Amazon
renders it largely invisible. It is equivalent to burning the book. So this is not a matter
of Amazon exercising the prerogative of private enterprise. Amazon is a monopoly. It has no
rival. If your book doesn't exist on Amazon, then for most people who are not research
specialists, your book doesn't exist. The consequences for the pursuit of knowledge are
ominous.
Exactly. And this kind of global monopoly power can't be diminished in time with naive,
"free market – just go somewhere else", Libertarian sound-bites. People who believe in
that fairytale are beyond naive. Amazon, YouTube, Reddit and Twitter are untouchable in an
environment where their competitors can barely offer a fraction of a fraction of the Worldwide
audience to their "content creators" and very few content creators to the audience. This
built-in inertia is self-reinforcing and tremendously inert. It's also the reason why the
Globalists have spared no expense to own those platforms.
Free speech will have to be enforced and saved politically. Waiting for Zuckenberg to
un-fuck it is a fool's errand.
To be banned by Amazon is not equivalent to being banned by any other private business.
Most publishers will admit that Amazon has replaced Bowker Books in Print as the industry's
authoritative guide to what books in English have been printed in the past and what is in
print now. Amazon is currently the reference source. For a book to be forbidden by Amazon
renders it largely invisible. It is equivalent to burning the book. So this is not a matter
of Amazon exercising the prerogative of private enterprise. Amazon is a monopoly. It has no
rival. If your book doesn't exist on Amazon, then for most people who are not research
specialists, your book doesn't exist. The consequences for the pursuit of knowledge are
ominous.
Exactly. And this kind of global monopoly power can't be diminished in time with
naive, "free market - just go somewhere else", Libertarian sound-bites. People who believe in
that fairytale are beyond naive. Amazon, YouTube, Reddit and Twitter are untouchable in an
environment where their competitors can barely offer a fraction of a fraction of the
Worldwide audience to their "content creators" and very few content creators to the audience.
This built-in inertia is self-reinforcing and tremendously inert. It's also the reason why
the Globalists have spared no expense to own those platforms.
Free speech will have to be enforced and saved politically. Waiting for Zuckenberg
to un-fuck it is a fool's errand. Great post! YouTube is another monopoly. I've tried many of
the alternatives like Vimeo, Daily Motion, etc but they simply don't have the depth of
content to compete. Google has fucked up Youtube with the same censorship as Amazon.
"... Needless to say, it is Amazon which has crushed and eliminated the local community bookshop that was once a beloved social commons, in every town and city across the land. ..."
"... Unfortunately, now that Amazon has a total monopoly on book publishing, it can decide who will or will not be published. But really, isn't Amazon the end result of libertarianism, neo-liberal, no regulation capitalism as we now have? ..."
"... This is a total nightmare situation: a gigantic behemoth corporation, unanswerable to anybody. Doesn't even need to have clearly worded guidelines, deliberately vague so they can censor whomever they want, at their whim. There is zero accountability with this libertarian arrangement. ..."
I hate Amazon through and through: from that greedy little rat Bezos who has become the
world's richest man on the backs of his workers which he treats like slaves, like
dogs–paying them so little they have to apply for foodstamps, to the horrible working
conditions at Amazon's giant fullfillment warehouses (no lunchbreak; penalizing workers for
going to the bathroom for too long; deliberately firing workers when they become legally
entitled to full time regular employment (Amazon deliberately uses temp/contract workers to
avoid paying healthcare, maternity leave, pension, vacation, etc). In short, Amazon is a
total, complete asshole corporation which has now become a global publishing monopoly by
deliberate design.
Needless to say, it is Amazon which has crushed and eliminated the local
community bookshop that was once a beloved social commons, in every town and city across the
land.
This story about Hoffman's getting censored and removed from Amazon's Kindle books is a
fine example of why libertarianism is idealistic nonsense. Libertarians argue that no
government is necessary? No laws needed? That government regulation is an unnecessary
interference in a pure person to person marketplace? What a load of bollocks. If there were
robust anti-monopoly regulations in place that were actually enforced, there would be no
Amazon monopoly like we suffer under today; it would be one of many smaller sized retailers.
We would have choice! Hoffman could go and sell through a different bookseller.
Unfortunately, now that Amazon has a total monopoly on book publishing, it can decide who
will or will not be published. But really, isn't Amazon the end result of libertarianism,
neo-liberal, no regulation capitalism as we now have?
Bezos: "It's my company and I'll do
what I please, censor whatever I want!" Yes–this is pure neo-liberal libertarianism
with no government regulation. No way to redress grievances.
This is a total nightmare
situation: a gigantic behemoth corporation, unanswerable to anybody. Doesn't even need to
have clearly worded guidelines, deliberately vague so they can censor whomever they want, at
their whim. There is zero accountability with this libertarian arrangement.
It would be much
better if there were laws on the books, enforced, which
a) stopped such abusive monopolies
from happening in the first place;
b) laws on the books–enforced–protecting
author's publication rights, to prevent censorship as is now happening.
You don't have this
in USA today, so authors get screwed over, censored and disappeared. Anyways, much for
libertarianism.
ATTN: if you still have an Amazon membership and buy stuff from them -- do your civic
duty and stop it! Delete your account and tell them why!
To be banned by Amazon is not equivalent to being banned by any other private business.
Most publishers will admit that Amazon has replaced Bowker Books in Print as the industry's
authoritative guide to what books in English have been printed in the past and what is in
print now. Amazon is currently the reference source. For a book to be forbidden by Amazon
renders it largely invisible. It is equivalent to burning the book. So this is not a matter
of Amazon exercising the prerogative of private enterprise. Amazon is a monopoly. It has no
rival. If your book doesn't exist on Amazon, then for most people who are not research
specialists, your book doesn't exist. The consequences for the pursuit of knowledge are
ominous.
Exactly. And this kind of global monopoly power can't be diminished in time with naive,
"free market – just go somewhere else", Libertarian sound-bites. People who believe in
that fairytale are beyond naive. Amazon, YouTube, Reddit and Twitter are untouchable in an
environment where their competitors can barely offer a fraction of a fraction of the
Worldwide audience to their "content creators" and very few content creators to the audience.
This built-in inertia is self-reinforcing and tremendously inert. It's also the reason why
the Globalists have spared no expense to own those platforms.
Free speech will have to be enforced and saved politically. Waiting for Zuckenberg
to un-fuck it is a fool's errand.
There are useful parallels with Christianity, which went from being powerless and persecuted
in its early days under Imperial Rome to eventual domination of Medieval Europe. It was a
longish process, but an early small, private and ethical movement did eventually morph into a
dictatorial organization that hunted down its own dissidents (heretics).
In this game of power, the church certainly collected great wealth, developed a complex
administration, made alliances with temporal (non-spiritual) power holders , and instituted
the Holy Office of the Inquisition (or equivalents) to root out dissidents (heretics) or
anyone who got in the way.
Green quotes a complaint by historian Manuel Barrios[172] about one Inquisitor, Diego
Rodriguez Lucero, who in Cordoba in 1506 burned to death the husbands of two different
women he then kept as mistresses. According to Barrios,
the daughter of Diego Celemin was exceptionally beautiful, her parents and her husband
did not want to give her to [Lucero], and so Lucero had the three of them burnt and now
has a child by her, and he has kept for a long time in the alcazar as a mistress,
(Wikipedia).
It was the "higher power" in the form of the Revolutionary Republican Napoleon Bonaparte
who finally abolished the Inquisition with the French invasion of Spain, which suggests by
parallel that when the US state collapses it will take its Jewish inquisitors with it.
To be banned by Amazon is not equivalent to being banned by any other private business. Most
publishers will admit that Amazon has replaced Bowker Books in Print as the industry's
authoritative guide to what books in English have been printed in the past and what is in print
now. Amazon is currently the reference source. For a book to be forbidden by Amazon
renders it largely invisible. It is equivalent to burning the book. So this is not a matter of
Amazon exercising the prerogative of private enterprise. Amazon is a monopoly. It has no rival.
If your book doesn't exist on Amazon, then for most people who are not research specialists,
your book doesn't exist. The consequences for the pursuit of knowledge are ominous.
There is a problem here for Amazon as well. The more Amazon excludes books that embody facts
and ideas that constitute radical dissent, the more it becomes a narrow censor's aperture
rather than a reliable bridge to the entire range of the Republic of Letters.
Apologists for censorship of radicals and authentic conservatives often claim that no First
Amendment rights are violated when Amazon bans books, therefore it is not a civil rights issue,
merely an inconvenience of the capitalist system. In the 1950s however, when the
privately-owned movie studios banned certain directors, actors and screen-writers judged to be
Leftists or Communists, that action on the part of private enterprise was inscribed in the
rolls of the culture wars as the infamous "Blacklist," and we are still reading and weeping
over it sixty-five years later. So it depends on whose ox is being gored.
My Judaica studies are free of "Jew hate," as anyone who peruses the sections in both books
titled "To the Judaic Reader" knows. There we state that the books are dedicated to pidyon
shevyuim (redemption of the captive), i.e. rescuing those Judaic persons who are in bondage
to the Talmud and the Kabbalah.
Our enemies easily turn to their advantage books containing hatred of "The Jews." What they
absolutely have no credible answer to is a critique predicated, as our books are, on a sincere
foundation of true Christian love. Boundary-breaking scholarship united to compassionate
concern for the welfare of Judaic people is almost unprecedented in this field. This approach
makes my studies of Judaism among the most powerful and effective because they are free of the
"hate speech" which is the pivot upon which turns the machinery of liberal-approved censorship.
For that reason, making Judaism's Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded, and Judaism
Discovered available on the Kindle undercut decades of hatred and libel. Therefore those
volumes had to be suppressed.
Suppressing ideas is the prerequisite for the dictatorship of lies, which is now
institutionalized and widely accepted by the subdued gullible masses.
With reference to this already firmly established and dominant trend in present days, it
comes to mind that ubiquitous all-pervasive dictatorship of lies stands out among Muhammad's
prophecies about the signs forewarning the approach of the last day, when disappearance of
trustworthiness will rise to such a point that one would only be able to say: " I know a
trustworthy person in such-and-such town. "
A website needs to list all of the books banned by Amazon and provide a means for their
dissemination. Much like the Catholic Church's banned index, it should become a badge of
honour to be banned by this organization. Such private arbiters have become much too powerful
in this technological age, and, in the end, the technology may end up being a net negative.
Memory holes seem to be the order of the day.
" the censors demand for their own media -- Mr. Bezos owns the Washington Post newspaper --
freedom of expression for the writers they employ and the speech of which they approve."
As if on cue, here's a report today about Bezos protesting against writers being demonized
by Trump:
Thank you for describing my work as "meticulously researched and argued."
A point of dissent: I don't know of any "Jewocracy."
I'm cognizant of the power and influence of Zionism and Talmudism, but I would be loathe
to generalize about Judaic people under the rubric of "Jewocracy."
On pp. 463-466 of Judaism Discovered this writer attempts to elucidate the rabbinic
principle taught to Orthodox youth: " Halacha hi beyoduah she'Eisav soneh l'Yaakov "
("It is a given law: it is known that Esau hates Jacob").
What does this instruction connote within the broader context of Orthodox Talmudism? It
teaches that all goyim are irrevocably Jew-haters and that this hate is irrational and
directed at all Judaic persons, whether good or bad, Left or Right, Zionists or not,
religious or not. The intent of this deceitful and racist generalization is to unify
Judaics and keep them in the rabbinic fold, since it is asserted that they will be hated for
no reason no matter what they do, even if they reject the Talmud .
The antidote to this rabbinic propaganda is love for Judaic people and openness in
particular to those Judaics who seek a way out of Talmudism and/or Zionism. This is what my
books represent and one reason why they are viewed as a mortal threat to the
antediluvians.
When terms such as "Jewocracy" are employed then " Halacha hi beyoduah she'Eisav soneh
l'Yaakov " is being fulfilled.
The vast majority of the movement by non-Judaics to critique or oppose the Talmud is
almost always grounded in some sort of negative typecasting about "The Jews. " Hence,
when the individual Judaic who is trying to get free of the bondage of the Orthodox rabbinate
sees generalizations like that, their motivation is subverted and their suspicions that
perhaps the teaching imparted to them in their youth was true, is kindled anew.
If we truly wish to convert people into allies of truth and freedom, then we will not
replicate their slavemasters' tropes in our discourse. In other words, we will not behave
like Talmudists. If on the other hand, our principal aim is to vent our rage and anger at
Talmudic supremacy, then reckless disregard for these distinctions will hold sway, along with
the continued defeat of our espoused objectives.
There actually is only one fount of racism and supremacy on earth and it emanates from the
primeval antecedents of the Babylonian Talmud and the Zohar (Kabbalah), and the cognate
"sacred texts" that proceed from them. When the Germans began to worship themselves
(something Luther and Nietzsche detested and eschewed), as part of the Nazi praxis, they
became rabbis spiritually and psychologically, since the most fundamental constituent of
Orthodox Judaism is self-worship .
A sincere and empowered critic of the theology of the Talmud cannot himself be a
supremacist or a racist since those mental attitudes and philosophical commitments are part
and parcel of the Talmudic mentality. A Talmudist cannot cast out the Talmud (Matthew
12:25-26).
Michael Hoffman
Author: Judaism Discovered
and Judaism's Strange Gods
Thank you for describing my work as "meticulously researched and argued."
A point of dissent: I don't know of any "Jewocracy."
I'm cognizant of the power and influence of Zionism and Talmudism, but I would be loathe
to generalize about Judaic people under the rubric of "Jewocracy."
On pp. 463-466 of Judaism Discovered this writer attempts to elucidate the rabbinic
principle taught to Orthodox youth: " Halacha hi beyoduah she'Eisav soneh l'Yaakov "
("It is a given law: it is known that Esau hates Jacob").
What does this instruction connote within the broader context of Orthodox Talmudism? It
teaches that all goyim are irrevocably Jew-haters and that this hate is irrational and
directed at all Judaic persons, whether good or bad, Left or Right, Zionists or not,
religious or not. The intent of this deceitful and racist generalization is to unify
Judaics and keep them in the rabbinic fold, since it is asserted that they will be hated for
no reason no matter what they do, even if they reject the Talmud .
The antidote to this rabbinic propaganda is love for Judaic people and openness in
particular to those Judaics who seek a way out of Talmudism and/or Zionism. This is what my
books represent and one reason why they are viewed as a mortal threat to the
antediluvians.
When terms such as "Jewocracy" are employed then " Halacha hi beyoduah she'Eisav soneh
l'Yaakov " is being fulfilled.
The vast majority of the movement by non-Judaics to critique or oppose the Talmud is
almost always grounded in some sort of negative typecasting about "The Jews. " Hence,
when the individual Judaic who is trying to get free of the bondage of the Orthodox rabbinate
sees generalizations like that, their motivation is subverted and their suspicions that
perhaps the teaching imparted to them in their youth was true, is kindled anew.
If we truly wish to convert people into allies of truth and freedom, then we will not
replicate their slavemasters' tropes in our discourse. In other words, we will not behave
like Talmudists. If on the other hand, our principal aim is to vent our rage and anger at
Talmudic supremacy, then reckless disregard for these distinctions will hold sway, along with
the continued defeat of our espoused objectives.
There actually is only one fount of racism and supremacy on earth and it emanates from the
primeval antecedents of the Babylonian Talmud and the Zohar (Kabbalah), and the cognate
"sacred texts" that proceed from them. When the Germans began to worship themselves
(something Luther and Nietzsche detested and eschewed), as part of the Nazi praxis, they
became rabbis spiritually and psychologically, since the most fundamental constituent of
Orthodox Judaism is self-worship .
A sincere and empowered critic of the theology of the Talmud cannot himself be a
supremacist or a racist since those mental attitudes and philosophical commitments are part
and parcel of the Talmudic mentality. A Talmudist cannot cast out the Talmud (Matthew
12:25-26).
Michael Hoffman
Author: Judaism Discovered
and Judaism's Strange Gods I don't buy your cloying and passive aggressive pretense of
not hating Jews but being merely interested in their salvation.
I even struggle to imagine anyone who'd be stupid enough to do so.
(Does it help you sell books or is it merely a prop against horrific
self-realisation?)
Regardless, it is a shame that even your "scholarship" may be unbooked. Painfully dumb
arguments have value. They provide it by contrast.
I am not even particularly interested in that here though. Inevitably there's lots of
weird stuff in a milennia old wikipedia and bozos, sorry "revisionists", will read into it
what they feel like.
The issue though is very simple. Were any of these effluent theories that take causation
to run from Judaism to globalism to actually be true then we would see that the more Orthodox
the Jew, the more globalist they would be.
Yet the facts sit precisely opposite.
The very worst Jews, on politics, that I've met or read have never heard of the Talmud.
Indeed, the Ultra-Orthodox wouldn't even consider them (or me) actual Jews at all.
That you can't even get this most basic of observations right totally discredits you.
Still, I hope your books get reinstated. I don't care what people who hate me choose to
waste their money on and, to be honest, it makes my meagre qualities look good by
comparison.
@Miro23 There are useful parallels with Christianity, which went from being powerless and
persecuted in its early days under Imperial Rome to eventual domination of Medieval Europe.
It was a longish process, but an early small, private and ethical movement did eventually
morph into a dictatorial organization that hunted down its own dissidents (heretics).
In this game of power, the church certainly collected great wealth, developed a complex
administration, made alliances with temporal (non-spiritual) power holders , and instituted
the Holy Office of the Inquisition (or equivalents) to root out dissidents (heretics) or
anyone who got in the way.
Green quotes a complaint by historian Manuel Barrios[172] about one Inquisitor, Diego
Rodriguez Lucero, who in Cordoba in 1506 burned to death the husbands of two different
women he then kept as mistresses. According to Barrios,
the daughter of Diego Celemin was exceptionally beautiful, her parents and her husband
did not want to give her to [Lucero], and so Lucero had the three of them burnt and now
has a child by her, and he has kept for a long time in the alcazar as a mistress,
(Wikipedia).
It was the "higher power" in the form of the Revolutionary Republican Napoleon
Bonaparte who finally abolished the Inquisition with the French invasion of Spain, which
suggests by parallel that when the US state collapses it will take its Jewish inquisitors
with it. Also the Jewish attempt to develop "Holocaustianity" with themselves as the leading
martyrs is failing, since Judaism doesn't have the mass appeal of Christianity: 1) it lacks
the ethical content 2) it isn't universalist (accepting all races).
Bolshevism (class guilt) was an earlier attempt to found a religion with Saint Trotsky and
themselves as the leading martyrs, which did actually (for a while) connect with the public,
since they harnessed the rising tide of Socialism/Communism with its fantasy of an
egalitarian "workers paradise" (themselves in the leadership role).
Unfortunately Jewish leftism (not to be confused National Democratic leftism) still
survives in the West in its bizarre SJW LGBT form, with Jews yet again trying to present
themselves as victims – this time of fabricated "White Oppression" – never mind
that white America gave them a generous refuge and a home after they were chased out of
Central Europe.
However, the search for power through SJWism (race guilt) is being rejected in the West,
so realistically Jews can only maintain their ethnic group power through a straightforward
coup at the centre (United States) – which they seem to be working on a the moment,
with some kind of fabricated Emergency involving Russia/Syria/Iran designed to give them a
dictatorship.
And if they get it, it won't be benevolent judging by the mass murdering precedents in
Russia and Hungary.
Thank you for describing my work as "meticulously researched and argued."
A point of dissent: I don't know of any "Jewocracy."
I'm cognizant of the power and influence of Zionism and Talmudism, but I would be loathe
to generalize about Judaic people under the rubric of "Jewocracy."
On pp. 463-466 of Judaism Discovered this writer attempts to elucidate the rabbinic
principle taught to Orthodox youth: " Halacha hi beyoduah she'Eisav soneh l'Yaakov "
("It is a given law: it is known that Esau hates Jacob").
What does this instruction connote within the broader context of Orthodox Talmudism? It
teaches that all goyim are irrevocably Jew-haters and that this hate is irrational and
directed at all Judaic persons, whether good or bad, Left or Right, Zionists or not,
religious or not. The intent of this deceitful and racist generalization is to unify
Judaics and keep them in the rabbinic fold, since it is asserted that they will be hated for
no reason no matter what they do, even if they reject the Talmud .
The antidote to this rabbinic propaganda is love for Judaic people and openness in
particular to those Judaics who seek a way out of Talmudism and/or Zionism. This is what my
books represent and one reason why they are viewed as a mortal threat to the
antediluvians.
When terms such as "Jewocracy" are employed then " Halacha hi beyoduah she'Eisav soneh
l'Yaakov " is being fulfilled.
The vast majority of the movement by non-Judaics to critique or oppose the Talmud is
almost always grounded in some sort of negative typecasting about "The Jews. " Hence,
when the individual Judaic who is trying to get free of the bondage of the Orthodox rabbinate
sees generalizations like that, their motivation is subverted and their suspicions that
perhaps the teaching imparted to them in their youth was true, is kindled anew.
If we truly wish to convert people into allies of truth and freedom, then we will not
replicate their slavemasters' tropes in our discourse. In other words, we will not behave
like Talmudists. If on the other hand, our principal aim is to vent our rage and anger at
Talmudic supremacy, then reckless disregard for these distinctions will hold sway, along with
the continued defeat of our espoused objectives.
There actually is only one fount of racism and supremacy on earth and it emanates from the
primeval antecedents of the Babylonian Talmud and the Zohar (Kabbalah), and the cognate
"sacred texts" that proceed from them. When the Germans began to worship themselves
(something Luther and Nietzsche detested and eschewed), as part of the Nazi praxis, they
became rabbis spiritually and psychologically, since the most fundamental constituent of
Orthodox Judaism is self-worship .
A sincere and empowered critic of the theology of the Talmud cannot himself be a
supremacist or a racist since those mental attitudes and philosophical commitments are part
and parcel of the Talmudic mentality. A Talmudist cannot cast out the Talmud (Matthew
12:25-26).
Michael Hoffman
Author: Judaism Discovered
and Judaism's Strange Gods I thank you for that comment. Beautifully put, logically
reasoned. Now I want to propose an idea for you to consider. The Orthodox Talmudic
instruction that you mention above has morphed well beyond the limitations of the Orthodox
rabbinate. You yourself just mentioned Judaics that want to "seek a way out of Talmudism and
/ or Zionism". Zionism certainly isn't Talmudism; it is blood and soil nationalism of a land
that belongs to other people. Couching this original Talmudic instruction as merely a method
of keeping Jews in "the rabbinic fold" is inaccurate. The unifiying of Jews through this
belief that all goyim are Jew-haters and vilification of those Judaics who break out has
grown well beyond the rabbinic fold, and it is present in every manifestation of Judaism,
from the secular atheist to the most Orthodox. Indeed, it seems to be the common thread that
holds all Jews together.
I thank you again for your ideas, Michael Hoffman. I will visit your website and try to
purchase your books, even though I am not a wealthy man.
"... Most here voted for or supported Obama whose record of incarcerating and persecuting journalists, punishing whistle-blowers, extra-judicial executions including citizens of the United States, placing children in cages, violent regime change abroad, spying on citizens, and expanding the security state was as bad or worse as that of Bush and Trump, in some cases by some margin. ..."
"... The current heroes of the 'resistance' lied America into Iraq or Libya, hacked into the computers of the elected representatives/lied about it, and support torture/enhanced interrogations, all under Obama. 'Liberals' lionize these clown criminals along with 'responsible' republicans whilst embracing open bigots such as Farrakhan. And, yes, if one is willing to share the podium with Farrakhan that's tacit support of his views. ..."
I'd suggest that the two strains of 'conservatism' that matter are:
a) maintaining oppression/rule over subordinate classes to prevent them up-ending the status quo (the Robin view) and
b) maintaining philosophical +/- cultural values fundamental to a civilised society, typically so-called enlightenment values,
freedom of mind, body and property etc. These are understood in a wide spectrum of concrete interpretations, from free-market
purists to social democrats, and don't therefore correspond to one kind of on-the-ground politics.
Progressives tend attack a) (a non-philosophical form of conservatism – it's just about preserving a power structure), and
usually claim that b) (the one that matters) doesn't exist or isn't 'conservative', or else ignore it.
We have the basic problem of same term, variable referents
(b) doesn't exist. Conservatives are, as a group, in eager favor of concentration camps for toddlers, the drug war, unrestrained
surveillance, American empire, civil forfeiture, mass incarceration, extrajudicial police execution, etc. etc. They have internal
disagreements on how much to do those things, but the consensus is for all of them without meaningful constraint. And they are
always justified in terms of (a).
Most here voted for or supported Obama whose record of incarcerating and persecuting journalists, punishing whistle-blowers,
extra-judicial executions including citizens of the United States, placing children in cages, violent regime change abroad, spying
on citizens, and expanding the security state was as bad or worse as that of Bush and Trump, in some cases by some margin.
The current heroes of the 'resistance' lied America into Iraq or Libya, hacked into the computers of the elected representatives/lied
about it, and support torture/enhanced interrogations, all under Obama. 'Liberals' lionize these clown criminals along with 'responsible'
republicans whilst embracing open bigots such as Farrakhan. And, yes, if one is willing to share the podium with Farrakhan that's
tacit support of his views.
Conservative as a political category post 1750 works and the basic argument of the OP holds. The comments not so much.
I don't know why so many people are having trouble realizing that the United States intends
to make the rules, not follow them, and to be the ultimate arbiter of its own behaviour. And
at its very core, this is an intent that recognizes no equal. Allies are great, America loves
to have them so that it can employ them as it sees fit, but does not recognize their
authority to hold Americans to any standard of conduct. Certainly this does not hold true at
the administrative levels – no American is going to get away with speeding on the
autobahn by saying indignantly, "Of course I wasn't speeding – I'm an AMERICAN!" But
speeding by an individual is hardly a national embarrassment. In any international context,
allies and enemies alike are going to have to just accept that no international rules
supersede American self-regulation, and you'll just have to be good with the concept that
America is scrupulously fair in meting out justice to its own subjects.
Oddly enough, American military members and contractors who are accused of various crimes
– which it stands to reason they committed, since Americans as a society are no better
and no worse than any other social group on the planet – their government elevates
their motivation to patriotism, the defending of home and family values. Presumably these
transcendent laws protect Americans who blast Iraqi civilians off of balconies for the hell
of it, as they did at Nisour Square in 2007. Please note that although eventually four
Blackwater employees were tried and convicted in US Federal Court, (a) it was 7 years after
the fact, (b) only one employee was found guilty of murder, while the remainder pleaded down
to manslaughter and lesser firearms charges which implied they were careless rather than
vicious, (c) 14 of 17 Iraqis killed were agreed by the USA to have been entirely without
cause, and (d) the original conviction was overturned by a US District Judge on the grounds
that all charges against Blackwater had been improperly built on testimony given in exchange
for immunity. The entire process weighed heavily in favour of Iraq just giving up in disgust,
and had it not persevered, there is every reason to believe Blackwater would have escaped any
prosecution. No doubt they were characterized throughout the process as American patriots who
were simply protecting their families and their nation and safeguarding American values.
One of the first moves in a humanitarian or policing mission involving the USA will be the
establishment of a status-of-forces agreement in which American soldiers accused of any crime
must be tried by a US court or under American authority. When American citizens are killed in
such scenarios, such as the four Blackwater contractors killed and whose burnt bodies were
hung from a bridge in Fallujah, Iraq, a disproportionate vengeance is enacted which punishes
the whole population.
You all remember what happened to Fallujah; the American-led coalition invaded it twice,
and razed it to the ground in a display of violence that made even US allies nervous.
American contractors in Iraq were earning about $600.00 a day. It is pretty hard to
imagine they were all motivated by patriotism and family values.
Mostly reflexively, not always consciously, The Powers That Be seek to retain and
enlarge their sphere of influence. Nothing, not even the venerated vote, is allowed to
alter that "balance."
That's why the 'Deep State' or whatever one wants to call that malignant organism that has
taken over DC–and much of the West–needs professional toadies like Woody, who
will dutifully report whatever smelly lump of fertilizer the PTB are trying to sell. Bet
Woody's the best paid stenographer in the world, doing a good job of confusing Americans,
keeping them anxious of the unknown, so the PTB can keep herding us towards the NWO
slaughterhouse.
The washed-out journalist then blurted out this in disbelief: "Trump said the 'World
Trade Organization is the worst organization in the world.'"
Another bit of propaganda, as those central banks–like the toxic FED–keep the
world under their thumb by controlling the money flow, printing currencies out of thin air,
then getting paid outrageous sums of interest each year–around 500 Billion in the
US–for their counterfeiting scheme.
That kind of power can and does crash stock markets and wreck economies, as the FED has
been doing since it was spawned in 1913. They and their buddies then buy homes, businesses,
MSM outlets and costly toys for pennies on the dollar, while us 'deplorables' wonder if
they're going to be able to keep making their mortgage payments if they lose their job.
To repeat, this was promised on the campaign trail and in Trump position papers. We now
know who stole those promises from the American people.
"We know?" Some do, but many don't, as they rally around Tubby the Grifter to protect
their savior from those nasty Democrats.
"Drain the Swamp" and "MAGA" were skillfully crafted psyops, most likely from the inner
sanctum of the most pernicious lobbying outfit on Capitol Hill, AIPAC. RT, a news outlet, got
mugged by a sold-out Congress and forced to register as a lobbying outfit, but not AIPAC. No
Sir, why that would be anti-Semitic and only foul, Jew hating Neo-Nazis would even think
about making AIPAC follow the law.
What AIPAC has and continues to do needs to be kept hidden from the American public, lest
they engage in the dangerous behavior of actually wondering if Israel is an ally or a
well-disguised enemy.
Trump was bought and paid for a LONG time ago, and 2016 was when the bill came due. He was
'Chosen,' not be We the People, but AIPAC and Israel as the best POTUS to do their bidding,
since Hillary carried way too much baggage.
Trump has been the best POTUS for Israel since the traitorous liar LBJ.
@anarchyst I see stuff written about the Vietnam war and it never fails they don't talk
at all about the whole picture. The Vietnam war was a war to stop the spread of Communism in
Southeast Asia. In that aspect it won some and lost some. Vietnam had nothing to do with oil
or Colonialism. Any look at a map would show it's vast strategic location for the Communist.
It has one the best ports in Asia. They talk about Tet defeating us. Nothing could be further
from the truth. It ended forever the Viet Cong in the South. From then on all the attacks
were from the North. The next big attack...
And in Viet Nam the North sent 150,000 men south with as much armor as the Wehrmacht had
in many WW II engagements. That was in 1973, and of that 150,000 fewer than 50,000 men and no
armor returned to the North, at a cost of under 1,000 American casualties. Most would count
that an outstanding victory.
(Alas, in 1975 North Viet Nam had another army of over 100,000 and sent it South; the
Democratic Congress voted our South Vietnamese 20 cartridges and 2 hand grenades per man, but
refused naval and air support; Saigon predictably became Ho Chi Minh city as we pushed
helicopters off the decks of out carriers in our frantic evacuation; but that is hardly the
fault of the US military).
The South lost when they ran out of ammunition. During the time we were fighting in
Vietnam all the other Asian countries with their own Commies attacking them were fighting
also. Many of them won. The ones that fell like Cambodia paid a harsh price. By all
measurement of what we went to Vietnam for we didn't lose. It did stop the spread of
Communism to all Asia. Rarely in any wars do you get all you want.
The Democrat party has been saying that the Vets fought a losing war when in actuality the
Democrats directly are responsible for the loss of South Vietnam. There are only a few
highways leading South and they were packed with tanks and troop transport in 75. It would
have been a complete turkey shoot like the war in Kuwait. We even had battleships at that
time that could have pounded them from the coast. If we would have attacked it would have
probably caused them such a defeat that they would have never attacked again maybe even the
government of the North would have been overthrown by the people for such incompetence.
Unfortunately the Nixon was gone and Ford was directly told if he helped the Vietnamese with
air power he would be impeached.
The idea that the Vietnam vets died for nothing is a huge psyops by the Democrats. The
South had defeated all the guerillas. All they needed was support to hold off the North and
the Democrats sold them out. If the South Vietnamese had not fell it's very likely that the
Cambodian Genocide would have never happened.
The Democrats had said the war was lost so many times that they had to prove it so by
actually losing it.
we were fighting in Vietnam all the other Asian countries with their own Commies
attacking them were fighting also. Many of them won. The ones that fell like Cambodia paid
a harsh price.
On the other hand, the Khmer Rouge victory in Cambodia was precipitated by the U.S.
bombings:
Estimates vary widely on the number of civilian casualites inflicted by the campaign;
however,as many as 500,000 people died as a direct result of the bombings while perhaps
hundreds of thousands more died from the effects of displacement, disease or starvation
during this period.
The Khmer Rouge, previously a marginalized guerrilla group, propagandized the bombing
campaign to great effect; by the CIA's own intelligence estimates, the US bombing campaign
was a key factor in the increase in popular support for the Khmer Rouge rebels. After their
victory in 1975, the Khmer Rouge oversaw a period in which another one-to-two million
Cambodians died from execution, hunger and forced labour.
"... What I do find absurd is the reception of Bob Woodward's book. It seems that most Trump haters don't seem to have any problems with thinking Trump is unhinged because he threatened to kill the president of a country that is allied with Russia and that he is a Russian puppet and that therefore the investigation about "collusion" is necessary. ..."
"... Bob Woodward's book also stands in a strange relationship to the anonymous NYT piece. The author of that piece seems to be a hardcore neoconservative and free-trade neoliberal -- he wants deregulation, more money for the military, but he dislikes that Trump does not escalate tensions against Russia enough and has to be pressured in order to expell enough Russian diplomats, and also the tentative support of peace efforts for Korea go against his neoconservative desires. ..."
"... Although it is not mentioned explicitly, the piece is at least compatible with "Russiagate" -- Trump's desire not to escalate international tensions against countries like Russia and North Korea too much is seen as a "preference for dictators and authoritarian leaders", which is an interpretation that is typical of neoconservative ideologues. In contrast, Woodward's main point for accusing Donald Trump of being unhinged is that he wanted to have Assad killed -- something many of the hard-core neocons would hardly object. ..."
What I find interesting in the case of Bob Woodward's book is that many anti-Trumpers seem to
celebrate it without even taking into account that, if its contents were to be believed, it
would completely discredit the whole "Russiagate" story that has been the main line of attack
against Donald Trump.
As far as I can judge from the excerpts that have been published, most of the book deals
with issues of style -- it is certainly nothing new that many people in the establishment
strongly dislike Trump's style -- and about people in important positions in Trump's
surroundings have a negative opinion of him and sometimes try to work against him -- that is
hardly something new, either.
The only piece of information that could really make Trump look like someone unhinged and
dangerous is the claim that he demanded Assad to be killed. Of course, I don't know whether
that claim is true and if Trump said something like that, it was meant as an assignment or he
just wanted to know what others thought about the idea. But Trump certainly would not have
said anything like that if he was a Russian puppet. Although Russia hardly has absolutely
loyalty to Assad as a person, killing the president of a government with which Russia is
allied and thereby causing more instability is certainly not something Russia might want. So,
not only does Bob Woodward's book that claims to report things that happened behind the
scenes not show any hints that the Russiagate conspiracy theory might be true, but -- if it
is to be believed -, it shows quite strong evidence against that theory.
I don't know whether Bob Woodward spells this out anywhere in the book -- I doubt it
because the main target audience of the book is probably Trump haters who like to hate Trump
for any conceivable reason and might be upset if one such reason, which had been heavily
promoted, was taken away from them. But at least, Bob Woodward seems to be consistent on this
to some degree -- after the report by a few handpicked agents from three agencies and
Clapper's bureau in January 2017, Woodward criticized the politicization of the secret
services. Apart from a few excerpts, I have not read Bob Woodward's book, and I cannot judge
its merits, but I think that he is probably somewhat less dishonest than many of Trump haters
-- this strange coalition of pseudo-leftists with the deep state.
What I do find absurd is the reception of Bob Woodward's book. It seems that most
Trump haters don't seem to have any problems with thinking Trump is unhinged because he
threatened to kill the president of a country that is allied with Russia and that he is a
Russian puppet and that therefore the investigation about "collusion" is necessary. I
think that once more demonstrates the irrationality of the base of that "Anti-Trump
Resistance" (not, of course, of people from the Clinton campaign, the FBI and CIA who
invented Russiagate, they just exploit the irrationality of large parts of the public).
Bob Woodward's book also stands in a strange relationship to the anonymous NYT piece.
The author of that piece seems to be a hardcore neoconservative and free-trade neoliberal --
he wants deregulation, more money for the military, but he dislikes that Trump does not
escalate tensions against Russia enough and has to be pressured in order to expell enough
Russian diplomats, and also the tentative support of peace efforts for Korea go against his
neoconservative desires.
Although it is not mentioned explicitly, the piece is at least compatible with
"Russiagate" -- Trump's desire not to escalate international tensions against countries like
Russia and North Korea too much is seen as a "preference for dictators and authoritarian
leaders", which is an interpretation that is typical of neoconservative ideologues. In
contrast, Woodward's main point for accusing Donald Trump of being unhinged is that he wanted
to have Assad killed -- something many of the hard-core neocons would hardly object.
@Adrian E. What I find interesting in the case of Bob Woodward's book is that many
anti-Trumpers seem to celebrate it without even taking into account that, if its contents
were to be believed, it would completely discredit the whole "Russiagate" story that has been
the main line of attack against Donald Trump.
As far as I can judge from the excerpts that have been published, most of the book deals
with issues of style - it is certainly nothing new that many people in the establishment
strongly dislike Trump's style - and about people in important positions in Trump's
surroundings have a negative opinion of him and sometimes try to work against him - that is
hardly something new, either.
The only piece of information that could really make Trump look like someone unhinged and
dangerous is the claim that he demanded Assad to be killed. Of course, I don't know whether
that claim is true and if Trump said something like that, it was meant as an assignment or he
just wanted to know what others thought about the idea. But Trump certainly would not have
said anything like that if he was a Russian puppet. Although Russia hardly has absolutely
loyalty to Assad as a person, killing the president of a government with which Russia is
allied and thereby causing more instability is certainly not something Russia might want. So,
not only does Bob Woodward's book that claims to report things that happened behind the
scenes not show any hints that the Russiagate conspiracy theory might be true, but - if it is
to be believed -, it shows quite strong evidence against that theory.
I don't know whether Bob Woodward spells this out anywhere in the book - I doubt it
because the main target audience of the book is probably Trump haters who like to hate Trump
for any conceiveable reason and might be upset if one such reason, which had been heavily
promoted, was taken away from them. But at least, Bob Woodward seems to be consistent on this
to some degree - after the report by a few handpicked agents from three agencies and
Clapper's bureau in January 2017, Woodward criticized the politicization of the secret
services. Apart from a few excerpts, I have not read Bob Woodward's book, and I cannot judge
its merits, but I think that he is probably somewhat less dishonest than many of his haters -
this strange coalition of pseudo-leftists with the deep state.
What I do find absurd is the reception of Bob Woodward's book. It seems that most Trump
haters don't seem to have any problems with thinking Trump is unhinged because he threatened
to kill the president of a country that is allied with Russia and that he is a Russian puppet
and that therefore the investigation about "collusion" is necessary. I think that once more
demonstrates the irrationality of the base of that "Anti-Trump Resistance" (not, of course,
of people from the Clinton campaign, the FBI and CIA who invented Russiagate, they just
exploit the irrationality of large parts of the public).
Bob Woodward's book also stands in a strange relationship to the anonymous NYT piece. The
author of that piece seems to be a hardcore neoconservative and free-trade neoliberal - he
wants deregulation, more money for the military, but he dislikes that Trump does not escalate
tensions against Russia enough and has to be pressured in order to expell enough Russian
diplomats, and also the tentative support of peace efforts for Korea go against his
neoconservative desires. Although it is not mentioned explicitly, the piece is at least
compatible with "Russiagate" - Trump's desire not to escalate international tensions against
countries like Russia and North Korea too much is seen as a "preference for dictators and
authoritarian leaders", which is an interpretation that is typical of neoconservative
ideologues. In contrast, Woodward's main point for accusing Donald Trump of being unhinged is
that he wanted to have Assad killed - something many of the hard-core neocons would hardly
object. Very good observations. Maybe the "kill Assad" ploy is not intended for domestic
consumption but rather to further undermine Trump's working relationship with Putin –
just as with the of the phoney Russian agent indictment which wast timed precisely to disrupt
the Helsinki summit.
History is very clear who runs the media for those who are in the know.
9/23/1975 Tom Charles Huston Church Committee Testimony
Tom Charles Huston testified before the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental
Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, commonly known as the Church Committee,
on the 43-page plan he presented to the President Nixon and others on ways to collect
information about anti-war and "radical" groups, including burglary, electronic surveillance,
and opening of mail.
September 1, 2015 THE CIA AND THE MEDIA: 50 FACTS THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW
Since the end of World War Two the Central Intelligence Agency has been a major force in
US and foreign news media, exerting considerable influence over what the public sees, hears
and reads on a regular basis.
President Trump's greatest legacy will be his exposing how corrupt the American government
has become. Almost every branch of Government has been exposed as corrupt but the absolute
worst is the FBI. This attempted coup should be met with the hangman's rope for traitors.
Historians know that very few people understand great historical events when they happen.
My idea is that this now is the case.
Never before in history did the leader of an empire understand that that empire could not
survive, and act accordingly.
The British empire was already not sustainable, financially, before 1914. Britain had to
give up the two fleet standard, the situation where the British fleet was superior to the
next two biggest fleets. Obama had to give up the two war standard, the USA went to one and a
half war. What a half war accomplishes one can see in Syria.
The British empire fell apart through WWII, Churchill the undertaker. For this reason, I
suspect, are the peace proposals that Rudolf Hess brought to Scotland in May 1941 still
secret. France got a generous peace, logical to assume that Hitler would propose the same to
Great Britain, the empire he admired.
The British example makes two things clear: what should have been clear prior to 1914 was
not clear, or was ignored, and the price of unwilling, or not capable of understanding
history at the moment it happens becomes clear. Britain did not have a Deep State, one might
say, on the other hand, one can be of the opinion that the British Deep State did exist. A
conflict as now in the USA never existed in Great Britain.
What would have happened if say Chamberlain would have acted as Trump does know, anybody's
guess. Chamberlain did not want war, but he also did not want to end British imagined power,
he belonged to the Thirtyniners, those with the illusion that Great Britain was ready for war
in 1939.
As in 1917, the USA had to rescue Britain, but this time the price was high: opening the
empire to foreign competition, on top of that, FDR's lofty statements, the Atlantic Charter,
in fact the end of all colonial European empires.
@Buckwheat President Trump's greatest legacy will be his exposing how corrupt the
American government has become. Almost every branch of Government has been exposed as corrupt
but the absolute worst is the FBI. This attempted coup should be met with the hangman's rope
for traitors.
President Trump's greatest legacy will be his exposing how corrupt the American
government has become. Almost every branch of Government has been exposed as corrupt but
the absolute worst is the FBI. This attempted coup should be met with the hangman's rope
for traitors.
The media controls the minds of the mob, and presents itself as vox populi .
Corruption has been exposed, and the media admits to it, endorses it, and encourages
more.
So, whaddya figure? 20 years to total economic collapse? Who's gonna feed the messicans?
Oh! The humanity! Oh, Rome, do not burn!
"Shining city on a hill" and all that bullshit. Turn out the lights.
@Deschutes I didn't like Clinton, but I think Trump is as bad, probably worse. Look at
the EPA under Trump, it's a fucking joke with fossil fuel shills like Pruitt gutting much
needed laws to protect environment and people. Look at Education secretary DeVoss: it does
NOT get any worse: a billionaire christian fundamentalist wacko billionaire who bought her
way into that post funding the GOP/Trump ticket!? She's the epitome of what the 'Trump
voters' ostensibly hate: a billionaire class aka 'Rome on the Potomac' as this author calls
it, the plutocracy who own and run the show while the proletariat slave away at their office
temp jobs, or worse yet amazon.com sweatshop, etc. DeVoss is privatizing education so that
christian fundies can have their kids taught 'gawd made the world in 7 days' instead of
Darwin's evolution. Look at Trumps Atty General Sessions: he's a reactionary fossil from the
1950s who wants to illegalize weed? Roll back sensible drug policy? He's a fucking disaster.
And look at what Trump is doing for Israel!? Moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and
Kishner sucking up to Netanyahoo, doing his bidding like an Israel firster? This is all good?
This is what the disenfranchised Trump supporter voted for and had in mind??
Trump is a fucking awful trainwreck. ' Moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, '
If this makes Netanyahu happy for some time, at negligible cost to the USA, smart move.
At the same time, Trump can claim 'see how I love Israel'.
For me the same as the fake attacks on Syria.
Show.
@Wizard of Oz You seem to be using language like Alice's Humpty Dumpty. "Zionism" is at
least a little bit constrained in meaning by its being a movement to restore the Jewish
people as currently understood to the land of Israel (Judea and Samaria principally which
creates special difficulties...) with Jerusalem as it's capital, and, I suppose to maintain
them there. You are absolutely correct.
But it also includes protection of Israel.
And what is the best protection of Israel?
..
To control the most powerful country in the world ergo USA
..
And what is even better protection of Israel?
To to rule the world.
..
What is wrong or evil in this plan?
Nothing! it is good plan.
..
So where is the snag?
..
Complications in executing this plan.
According to the Washington Post, Barbara K. Olson called her husband twice on September
11, 2001 in the final minutes of Flight 77. Her last words to him were, "What do I tell the
pilot to do?"
"She called from the plane while it was being hijacked," said Theodore Olson -- 42nd
Solicitor General of the United States. "I wish it wasn't so, but it is."
However, prosecution exhibit P200054 (attached) in United States v.
Zacarias Moussaoui -- http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/
exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200054.html -- shows that Barbara Olson made only one phone
call -- it did not connect, and it lasted for 0 seconds!
Both accounts of Barbara Olson's phone calls -- the Solicitor General's and the
prosecution's in United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui -- cannot be correct.
Media lies and fabrications have been going on ever since there were "journalists" (I use
that term loosely). The difference today, is that "professional journalism" is now blatantly
showing its liberal communistic bias.
From "Remember the Maine" in the Spanish-American war (actually a powder magazine
explosion–not an attack) to walter duranty's extolling the "virtues" of communism while
one of the greatest artificially-engineered (by communists)famines in the Ukraine was taking
place, in order to force the "collectivization" of privately-held farms, to walter cronkite
outright lying about the American military's effectiveness during the 1968 Vietnam "Tet
offensive" (in which much enemy life was lost) journalism has always been a "nasty craft". In
cronkite's case, the North Vietnamese were ready to settle (and capitulate) until cronkite's
lies about the supposed American "defeat" were publicized. Cronkite's lies gave the North
Vietnamese new resolve, as they realized that they had the American "news media" on their
side. There has always been a certain sympathy for communism and totalitarianism in the
so-called "mainstream media". All one has to do is to look at the journalists fawning over
Cuba's Fidel Castro and how wonderful life is in that communist "paradise".
Journalists HATE the internet because it exposes their "profession" for what it really is
with the internet, anyone can be a true journalist. This is why the same "mainstream media"
is calling for the "licensing" of journalists–something that would have been unheard of
(and treasonous) in previous decades
Professional journalism is its own worst enemy
We're surprised the tools of the Oligarch Class remain loyal to their paymasters? Comey and
Müller both received very lucrative board-seat assignments for looking the other way
when appropriate, or digging a little deeper when asked.
"In the absence of the governmental checks and balances present in other areas of our
national life, the only effective restraint upon executive policy and power in the areas of
national defense and international affairs may lie in an enlightened citizenry -- in an
informed and critical public opinion which alone can here protect the values of democratic
government. For this reason, it is perhaps here that a press that is alert, aware, and free
most vitally serves the basic purpose of the First Amendment. For, without an informed and
free press, there cannot be an enlightened people."
I have no choice. I must don the mantle of greatness and take the reins of the country.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. I will run for the office of dictator, or
President in American parlance.
Readers may ask, "But Fred, what makes you think you are qualified to be President?" To
which I respond, "Nothing. But have you seen what we have now? You want a White House with
John Bolton in it?"
You see.
I append here a few of the enlightened policies which I will effect. Hold your applause
until the end. Interspersed for perusal are a few slogans that I may use to incite your
fervor.
One: I will end all policies hostile to Cuba. I will not make life difficult for
eleven million perfectly good people to please a ratpack of phony Cubans afflicting Miami. In
fact, I will offer Havana a twenty-billion-dollar loan if they will take the bastards back.
Cuba poses no danger to anyone. They have good cigars. They should be left alone to live as
they please and drink mojitos. If nutcake Republicans protest my policy, I will have them
stuffed into an abandoned oil well. Along with the pseudo-Cubans.
Two: Elizabeth Warren will be required to take a DNA test to see whether she is a
wild Indian. If she is, she will have to wear feathers. Otherwise, to see a psychiatrist.
We have nothing to be afred of but Fred hisself! Has a classic ring, don't you
think?
Three: I will end the Afghan war in an afternoon, relying on use the exit strategy
proposed by James P. Coyne, the Sun Tsu of our age:
"OK, on the plane. Now ."
If Lindsey Graham complains that we need to kill more puzzled goatherds, I will have him
inserted into the oil well on top of the Republicans and pseudo-Cubans, with Oprah tamped
down on top as a sort of cork. There is nothing in Afghanistan that Americans need or want,
except opium products, and private enterprise now provides these in abundance. Check the
nearest street corner, or ask your kids.
Four: I will make membership in AIPAC a felony, and remind its members that I could
have Oprah temporarily removed from the oil well to make more room. Aipackers can act as they
please in their own country–I will not meddle in foreign affairs–but leave ours
alone.
Fred! Ahhhhhh . This has a nicely orgasmic quality that will appeal to the younger
demographic. It represents the satisfaction that my rule will bring to the entire
country.
Five: I will end all sanctions against Iran. Then I will sell those Persian rascals
airplanes and cars and electronic stuff and towel softener and lock them into the American
economic system. This will make Boeing and AT&T and Intel love me with the deep sweet
love that never dies, at least as long as the money flows, and there will be lots of jobs in
Seattle.
Six: I will bring charges of treason against the contents of the Great Double Wide
on Pennsylvania Avenue. The evidence is incontrovertible. The first rule of empire is Don't
Let Your Enemies Unite. Everybody who has an empire knows this. Except us. Inside the White
House a bunch of apparently brain-damaged political mostly left-overs, suffering from Beltway
Bubble Syndrome, push China, Russia, and Iran together like some kind of international
spaghetti-grope LGTBQRSTUV threesome. Who are our dismal leaders really working for?
China?
A Fred in Every Pot This makes no sense, you may say. No, but we are doing
politics. It is almost iambic pentameter, like Shakespeare. It will lend class to my
campaign.
Seven: I will keep the F-35 program. It provides a lot of jobs. However, I will but get
rid of the airplane. Isn't this brilliant? Instead of building the thing, workers will dig
holes and fill them in, but keep their current salaries. It will improve their health, and
make America safer. The fewer dangerous things the children in the Five-Sided Wind Tunnel
have, the less trouble it can cause.
Better Fred than Dead! Some readers will dispute this. What do they know?
Eight: I have been urged to end affirmative action on the grounds that things
should be done by people who can actually do them. This is racist. I will have nothing to do
with it. Instead I will make affirmative action democratic and inclusive. Everyone will
qualify for it. Special privilege should not be restricted to a minority. It isn't the
American way.
Fred! Good as Any, Better'n Some. Good thinking.
Nine: I will abolish NATO. America should find a cheaper way to control the
vassals. There is of course the bedtime story that NATO exists to confront the Russkies, and
only incidentally provides a compulsory market for American armament. Nuts. Russia cannot
seem dangerous to anyone who wasn't dropped on his head at some formative juncture in life.
Smallish population, low military budget.
Likewise South Korea, which has twice the population and forty times the economy of the
North. If it wants to defend itself, it has my blessing. If it doesn't, it isn't our
problem.
Tippecanoe and Frederick Too! This may require exhumation, but for this we have
backhoes.
Ten: I will make a modest reduction in the military budget, say seventy-five
percent. To keep the soldiers happy I will invest in high-throughput roller coasters, a
shooting range with BB guns, and really loud speaker systems that say Va roooom and
Bangbangbang and fzzzzzzzzboom. These will provide psychic emoluments of
martial life without the murder.
Eleven: The money thus saved I will use on pressing domestic problems. LA has
68,000 homeless people on the streets, San Francisco loses conventions because of so many
homeless defecating on the sidewalks, Portland has homeless riots,. The lower primates in
Antifa and BLM rend such social fabric as any longer exists. Dams are aging. Our trains are
out of of the Fifties. And we spend a trillion a year on goddam aircraft carriers?
Fred? Well, Got a Better Idea?
Twelve: As an educational reform, I will have the Department of Education filled
with linoleum cement, the occupants being left inside. This will raise the national IQ by at
least three points. I will pass an amendment to the fragments of the Constitution saying, "No
federal entity or person shall say, think, suggest, or do anything whatever regarding
schooling on pain of garroting." Part of the savings from lowering the military budget will
go to purchasing garrotes. The duration, content, and nature of the schools shall be left to
localities without exception.
Thirteen: The father of any girl subjected to genital mutilation will be awarded a
free gender reassignment operation, preferably with tin-snips. Genital mutilation should be
inclusive. The father will then be placed for two weeks in the bottom of a public latrine in
Uganda. If this doesn't suffice to deter the practice, I may be forced to adopt extreme
measures. A country that allows such treatment of daughters deserves to go to hell. And seems
to be.
Fourteen: I will impose a literacy test for voting. People too dim to find their
way home should not be permitted to influence policies they have never heard of and can't
spell. Yes, this might be called illiberal. If so, it will doubtless be the only example of
illiberalism in this meritorious list.
Fifteen: In higher education, I will prescribe horse whipping for anyone saying
microaggression, white privilege, whiteness, patriarchy, safe space, people of color, racism,
any kind of phobia, or "Resist" in a squalling voice with an exclamation point. No curriculum
containing the word "Studies" will be permitted.
Sixteen: Anyone prescribing Ritalin for children under twenty-one will be thrown from a
helicopter.
In conclusion, I say to my yearning public, There, you, see, there is hope. Together we can
do this. See you at the polls.
... ... ...
Fred Reed is a former news weasel and part-time sociopath living in central Mexico
with his wife and three useless but agreeable street dogs. He says it suits him.
"... Obama, it turns out, was among the most militaristic White House occupants in American history, taking the imperial presidency to new heights. It has been said that Obama was the only president whose administration was enmeshed in multiple wars from beginning to end. His imperial ventures spanned many countries – Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia along with proxy interventions in Yemen and Pakistan. ..."
"... Obama engineered two of the most brazen regime-change operations of the postwar era, in Libya (2011) and Ukraine (2014), leaving both nations reduced to a state of ongoing civil war and economic ruin. ..."
"... United Nations spokesperson Stephane Dujarric recently decried this violence, noting the indiscriminate shelling by armed groups killing civilians, including children. Not to be outdone, the U.S. (joined by a few European states) issued a statement condemning the violence in Libya, reading in part: "We urge armed groups to immediately cease all military actions and warn those who tamper with security in Tripoli or elsewhere in Libya that they will be held accountable for any such actions." How thoughtful of those very military actors who, with U.N. blessing, brought nothing but endless death and destruction to the Libyan people. ..."
"... In Ukraine, as Vladimir Putin was being demonized as the "new Hitler", real fascists (or at least neo-fascists) were installed in power through the well-planned and generously-funded conspiracy of Obama's neocon functionaries, led by Victoria Nuland and cheered on by such visiting notables as John McCain, Joe Biden, and John Brennan -- all scheming to bring the Kiev regime into the NATO/European Union orbit. The puppet Poroshenko regime has since 2014 been given enough American economic and military largesse to finance its warfare against separatists in the Russian-speaking Donbass region, resulting in more than 10,000 deaths, with no end in sight. Following the gruesome pattern of Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan, Ukrainian society descends into deepening chaos and violence with no end in sight. ..."
"... It is easy to forget that it was the Obama administration that planned and carried out the first phases of the Mosul operation (begun in October 2016) which produced hundreds of thousands of casualties (with at least 40,000 dead), left a city of two million in Dresden-like state of rubble, and drove nearly a million civilians into exile. The same fate, on smaller scale, was brought to other Sunni-majority cities in Iraq, including Ramadi, Tikrit, and Fallujah (already destroyed by U.S. forces in 2004). Whatever the official goal, and however many secondary collaborators were involved, these were monstrous war crimes by any reckoning. ..."
"... In the months before Obama departed the White House he laid the groundwork for a new, more dangerous, Cold War with Russia. This agenda, negating earlier plans for a "reset" with the Putin government, would be multi-faceted – expanded NATO forces along Russian borders, renewed support for the oligarch Poroshenko in Ukraine, new and harsher economic sanctions, expulsion of diplomats, accelerated cyberwarfare, charges of Russian interference in the 2016 elections. Not only has this strategy, eagerly advanced by the Clintonites and their media allies, brought new levels of insanity to American politics, it has left the two nuclear powers menacingly closer to armed confrontation than even at the peak of the Cold War. ..."
"... Obama's contributions to a more robust imperial presidency went further. Collaborating with Israel and Saudi Arabia, he stoked the Syrian civil war by lending "rebel" fighters crucial material, logistical, and military aid for what Clinton – anticipating electoral victory – believed would bring yet another cheerful episode of regime change, this one leaving the U.S. face-to-face with the Russians. During his tenure in office, moreover, Obama would deploy more special-ops troops around the globe (to more than 70 countries) than any predecessor. ..."
Obama, it turns out, was among the most militaristic White House occupants in American
history, taking the imperial presidency to new heights. It has been said that Obama was the
only president whose administration was enmeshed in multiple wars from beginning to end. His
imperial ventures spanned many countries – Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia along
with proxy interventions in Yemen and Pakistan. He ordered nearly 100,000 bombs and
missiles delivered against defenseless targets, a total greater than that of the more
widely-recognized warmonger George W. Bush's total of 70,000 against five countries. Iraq alone
– where U.S. forces were supposed to have been withdrawn – was recipient of 41,000
bombs and missiles along with untold amounts of smaller ordnance. Meanwhile, throughout his
presidency Obama conducted hundreds of drone attacks in the Middle East, more than doubling
Bush's total, all run jointly (and covertly) by the CIA and Air Force.
Obama engineered two of the most brazen regime-change operations of the postwar era, in
Libya (2011) and Ukraine (2014), leaving both nations reduced to a state of ongoing civil war
and economic ruin. For the past seven years Libya has been overrun by an assortment of
militias, jihadic groups, and local strongmen – predictable result of the U.S./NATO
bombing offensive to destroy the secular nationalist (and modernizing) Kadafi regime. This was
purportedly Secretary of State Clinton's biggest moment of glory, her imperialist gloating on
full display following Kadafi's assassination. As this is written conditions in Libya worsen by
the day, reports surfacing of hundreds of people killed during violent clashes in the suburbs
of Tripoli as rival militias fight for control of the capital. Militias now exercise control
over ports, airfields, and much of the oil infrastructure. More tens of thousands of Libyans
are being forced from their homes, a development greeted with silence at CNN and kindred media
outlets.
United Nations spokesperson Stephane Dujarric recently decried this violence, noting the
indiscriminate shelling by armed groups killing civilians, including children. Not to be
outdone, the U.S. (joined by a few European states) issued a statement condemning the violence
in Libya, reading in part: "We urge armed groups to immediately cease all military actions and
warn those who tamper with security in Tripoli or elsewhere in Libya that they will be held
accountable for any such actions." How thoughtful of those very military actors who, with U.N.
blessing, brought nothing but endless death and destruction to the Libyan people.
In Ukraine, as Vladimir Putin was being demonized as the "new Hitler", real fascists (or
at least neo-fascists) were installed in power through the well-planned and generously-funded
conspiracy of Obama's neocon functionaries, led by Victoria Nuland and cheered on by such
visiting notables as John McCain, Joe Biden, and John Brennan -- all scheming to bring the Kiev
regime into the NATO/European Union orbit. The puppet Poroshenko regime has since 2014 been
given enough American economic and military largesse to finance its warfare against separatists
in the Russian-speaking Donbass region, resulting in more than 10,000 deaths, with no end in
sight. Following the gruesome pattern of Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan, Ukrainian society
descends into deepening chaos and violence with no end in sight.
It is easy to forget that it was the Obama administration that planned and carried out
the first phases of the Mosul operation (begun in October 2016) which produced hundreds of
thousands of casualties (with at least 40,000 dead), left a city of two million in Dresden-like
state of rubble, and drove nearly a million civilians into exile. The same fate, on smaller
scale, was brought to other Sunni-majority cities in Iraq, including Ramadi, Tikrit, and
Fallujah (already destroyed by U.S. forces in 2004). Whatever the official goal, and however
many secondary collaborators were involved, these were monstrous war crimes by any
reckoning.
After calling for a nuclear-free world (and receiving a Nobel Peace Prize for that promise),
Obama reversed course and embarked on the most ambitious U.S. nuclear upgrading since the early
1950s – the same project inherited by Trump. Speaking in Prague in 2009, the president
called for total abolition of nukes, saying "the Cold War has disappeared but thousands of
those [nuclear] weapons have not . . . Our efforts to contain these dangers [must be] centered
on a global non-proliferation regime." A laudable objective to be sure. But for a price tag of
one trillion dollars (over two decades), Obama decided to create new missile delivery systems,
expand the arsenal of tactical warheads, and fund a new cycle of bombers and submarines –
all with little political or media notice. These initiatives violated the Nuclear
Non-proliferation Treaty prohibiting such moves, while essentially blocking any genuine efforts
toward nuclear reduction and nonproliferation.
In the months before Obama departed the White House he laid the groundwork for a new,
more dangerous, Cold War with Russia. This agenda, negating earlier plans for a "reset" with
the Putin government, would be multi-faceted – expanded NATO forces along Russian
borders, renewed support for the oligarch Poroshenko in Ukraine, new and harsher economic
sanctions, expulsion of diplomats, accelerated cyberwarfare, charges of Russian interference in
the 2016 elections. Not only has this strategy, eagerly advanced by the Clintonites and their
media allies, brought new levels of insanity to American politics, it has left the two nuclear
powers menacingly closer to armed confrontation than even at the peak of the Cold War.
Obama's contributions to a more robust imperial presidency went further. Collaborating
with Israel and Saudi Arabia, he stoked the Syrian civil war by lending "rebel" fighters
crucial material, logistical, and military aid for what Clinton – anticipating electoral
victory – believed would bring yet another cheerful episode of regime change, this one
leaving the U.S. face-to-face with the Russians. During his tenure in office, moreover, Obama
would deploy more special-ops troops around the globe (to more than 70 countries) than any
predecessor.
Many liberals and more than a few progressives – not to mention large sectors of the
media intelligentsia -- will find it difficult to reconcile the picture of an aggressively
imperialist Obama with the more familiar image of a thoughtful, articulate politician who laced
his talks with references to peace, arms control, and human rights. But this very dualism best
corresponds to the historical reality. In his book The Obama Syndrome
, Tariq Ali writes: "From Palestine through Iraq, Obama has acted as just another steward
of the American empire, pursuing the same aims as his predecessors, with the same means but
with more emollient rhetoric." He adds: "Historically, the model for the current variant of
imperial presidency is Woodrow Wilson, no less pious a Christian, whose every second word was
peace, democracy, or self-determination, while his armies invaded Mexico, occupied Haiti, and
attacked Russia [yes, Russia!], and his treaties handed one colony after another to his
partners in war. Obama is a hand-me-down version of the same, without even Fourteen Points to
betray."
As the 2018 midterm elections approach, Obama has chosen to depart from historical norm and
go on the attack against a Trump presidency viewed as signifying all that is evil. A Democratic
victory would reject Trump's "dark vision of the the nation and restore honesty, decency, and
lawfulness to the American government". In his first speech Obama said that orchestrated public
fear has created conditions "ripe for exploitation by politicians who have no compunction and
no shame about tapping into America's dark history of racial and ethnic and religious
division." Does Obama need to be reminded that such "dark history" also includes militarism and
imperialism?
Whatever one's view of the Trump phenomenon in its totality, the amount of death and
destruction he has brought to the world does not (yet) come close to Obama's record of warfare,
drone strikes, regime changes, military provocations, and global deployments. If neocon
interests have come to shape U.S. foreign policy, those interests have so far been more fully
embraced by Obama and the Clintonites than by Trump, despite the scary presence of Trump's
hawkish circle of lieutenants. Unfortunately, Obama's eight years of imperial aggression
elicited strikingly few liberal or progressive voices of dissent across the political and media
terrain. He enjoyed nearly complete immunity from protest at a time when even the smallest
vestiges of a once-vigorous American antiwar movement had disappeared from the scene.
CARL BOGGS is the author of several recent books, including Fascism Old and New
(2018), Origins of the Warfare State (2016), and Drugs, Power, and Politics (2015). He can be
reached at [email protected].
Kirk Douglas starred in a great film about fighting in World War I: "Paths of Glory." I
highly recommend the film for its accuracy, best described in Wiki by the reaction of
governments:
Controversy
On its release, the film's anti-military tone was subject to criticism and censorship.
In France, both active and retired personnel from the French military vehemently
criticized the film -- and its portrayal of the French Army -- after it was released in
Belgium. The French government placed enormous pressure on United Artists, (the European
distributor) to not release the film in France. The film was eventually shown in France in
1975 when social attitudes had changed.[17]
In Germany, the film was withdrawn from the Berlin Film Festival to avoid straining
relations with France;[18] it was not shown for two years until after its release.
In Spain, Spain's right-wing government of Francisco Franco objected to the film. It was
first shown in 1986, 11 years after Franco's death.
In Switzerland, the film was censored, at the request of the Swiss Army, until
1970.[18]
At American bases in Europe, the American military banned it from being shown.[18]
"... In the normal legal world, if one party breaches an agreement, the other party is not bound by this agreement any more. ..."
"... No wonder the Russians came finally to understand that US is non-agreement capable: sign an agreement, immediately start breaching the agreement, unleash an army of presstitutes and trolls who will keep accusing the other party of the breach of agreement. ..."
@cs17 This is an old point of information abuse by the Western government trolls. I cannot
count how many times I have disputed one-sided claims such as yours.
The truth is relatively simple - yes, the Budapest Memorandum specifies the inviolability
of the Ukrainian border including Crimea, but it also specifically addresses the
non-interference into Ukrainian affairs (I used to quote the sections of the Memorandum, but
I will skip here). Then the small matter of a coup against a dully elected and recognized
government using the $5B by the usual US regime changers represents the original breach of
the signed Budapest Memorandum. Unless, of course, the signatory is an exceptional nation for
who the international laws and signed agreements do not apply. In the normal legal world, if
one party breaches an agreement, the other party is not bound by this agreement any more.
No wonder the Russians came finally to understand that US is non-agreement capable:
sign an agreement, immediately start breaching the agreement, unleash an army of presstitutes
and trolls who will keep accusing the other party of the breach of agreement.
May 28, 2018 - A Memorial to the Great War Disaster
Books about World War I are not popular in the USA because they are depressing. The
world's great European powers destroyed a generation of men in pointless bloody battles. Few
Americans realize that World War I was America's worst foreign policy blunder that killed
millions and set the stage for World War II.
When the "Great War" began in 1914, royals and generals hoped for swift victories.
However, advances in technology, mostly machine guns and rapid fire artillery, allowed
concentrated firepower to annihilate attacking formations. The war in France bogged down into
a bloody stalemate and the construction of fortified positions ensured that any offensive
would grind to a stop. The king of England and Germany were first cousins who grew up
together, so a peaceful resolution was likely in 1916.
The problem was that British bankers had loaned its government lots of money and most
could not be repaid. They wanted to win the war so they could loot Germany by requiring
Germans to pay reparations so the British government could repay them. If they could lure the
powerful USA to join the war, victory was assured. They blocked peace efforts and used their
agents of influence to manipulate the USA into joining the war. Soon after President Wilson
was elected with the promise to stay out the war, he worked with Congress to declare war.
As a result, the war dragged on for two more bloody years before enough American men and
material arrived in France to turn the tide. The war was unpopular back home, leading Wilson
to censor the US mail by blocking anti-war newsletters and magazines. He threw thousands of
political opponents in jail, implemented a draft to fill out the Army, and sent these
reluctant Americans into battle with little training and poor equipment. The Americans fought
bravely, but the Germans had three years of combat experience and chewed up American units
foolishly thrown into frontal attacks that had little chance of success. After four years of
war, the Germans had no more manpower to replace losses, and surrendered based on a just
peace promised by President Wilson. That never happened and Germany was looted and
humiliated, which led to the rise of the Nazis and World War II.
So this Memorial Day, remember the 116,516 Americans President Wilson killed in that
senseless war. Moreover, the American intervention extended the war and resulted in World War
II. American GIs slaughter Germans so British bankers could collect debts, with interest! I
was inspired to write this blog post after reading the brilliant David Stockman's recent
essay about America's disastrous intervention in World War I.
https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2018/05/16/why-the-empire-never-sleeps-the-indispensable-nation-folly-part-2/
I have to agree with much of what stated in his reply. But I would like to also add my own
in-depth notes
I tend to concentrate my military studies on World War I (in addition to the "War for
Southern Independence" and the inter-war years (1919-1939)). And as everyone here has
concluded, World War I was an abomination of an atrocity.
Professor Bacevich, a man I have great respect for, did however make some minor but
critical errors in this piece.
Kaiser Wilhelm had no desire to enter into a world conflagration. When he realized that
events were spinning out of control, he did everything in his power to contact his cousin,
the Russian Czar, to request that Russian Mobilization be halted, the actual cause of the
start of the conflict. Due to the fact that diplomacy, unlike the military (which had adopted
wireless and wired communications), was still using traditional methods of face-to-face
discussion or formal letters for diplomacy, the Kaiser was unable to get through to his
cousin in time to stop what the Czar most likely could not halt in any event. Mobilization of
forces at the time had taken on a life of their own due to the technologies of modernized
train transport.
In 1915 or 1916, the German high command attempted to offer to negotiate peace with
Britain and France but Britain, with the war being run basically by Churchill (a warmonger of
the first order) refused to talk to the Germans, since he loathed them for whatever
reasons.
The war was won by Germany in the winter of 1917 at which point the megalomaniacal Woodrow
Wilson pushed the US into the conflict with his god-like notion that he could create peace on
Earth. The man was truly clinically insane (but functional) as much recent documentation has
attested to (see the late Thomas Fleming's, "Illusion of Victory" for a thrill ride through
Wilson's addled thinking).
Had the US not entered the war, there would have been an amenable peace developed in 1917
among the European belligerents. And probably as a result, no World War II.
England was the cause of the war indirectly with her centuries old "balance of power"
politics applied to continental Europe. In this vein, fearful of the loss of her dominance on
the high seas as a result of the Kaiser's excellent buildup of the Kaiserliche Marine
(Imperial Navy), which in turn would threaten her empire, the British military started to
collude with the French military, I believe as early as 1906, to develop joint operational
plans in case of war with Germany. This latter of course, the British were very much hoping
would happen. And with Churchill being one of the most influential cabinet members on the
matter, there was little doubt that Britain would need very little pretext to enter a
conflict.
However, it was France's alliance with Russia that was directly responsible for the
initiation of the entire conflagration. This alliance was centered upon loans to Russia from
France for Russian domestic development and French fears that if Germany attacked her she
would be left on her own to defend herself. Russia agreed in principal to ally herself with
France but used the French loans instead to rebuild her military (though it did her little
good against superior German arms).
Germany, bound in alliance with Austro-Hungary, did in fact support Austria's punitive
strike into Serbia and provided what some have called a "blank check", which provided for
military and financial support as a result of the alliance. Austria's military, one which had
a very spotty historical record of being on and off again as far as quality was concerned,
was definitively off in 1914 and was summarily defeated by superior Serbian Forces.
Franz-Josef of Austria had no expectation of a world war when he committed Austria to such
an incursion into Serbian territory and by that time no else did either as a result of the
assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand since royal assassinations had become pretty common
place in Europe from 1880 onward. However, on the Austrian side we have general Conrad von
Hotzendorf to thank for this strike at Serbia. He hated Serbia probably as much as Churchill
hated the Germans but Conrad had good reason to since the Balkan nation was always causing
all sorts of problems on the Austro-Hungarian borders. Unfortunately, Conrad was not all that
good a military man and cost Austrian hundreds of thousands of combatant deaths during the
conflict.
As a result, this assassination, a real non-event, has been touted to school children ever
since as the cause of World War I. In reality, it was simply window dressing for idiots in
the US educational system to latch onto.
The reaction of Russia to the attack on Serbia was to fully mobilize her military, which
up through World War II has always been seen as an imminent sign of war.
This automatically dragged France into war, which in turn dragged England as a result of
the secret military partnership. Austria then was forced to follow suit and formally declare
war, which brought the final player into the conflict, Germany, who with the exception of
some in the German high command really had questions about engaging in such a widening war,
which was supposed to be a localized conflict.
Seeing that there was no hope to ending the conflict on amenable terms, the Kaiser
abdicated in 1918 and fled for the Royal Netherlands where he was taken in and granted
political asylum. However, by this time General Ludendorf had become a de-facto military
dictator of Germany. And though both he and his senior military aide. Max Hoffman, , who did
the majority of the planning, developed superior battlefield strategy, Ludendorf's political
decisions caused untold problems for the German social infrastructure, some of which was a
reaction to the new pressures that US Forces were finally bringing to bare on German
arms.
The original number of deaths for World War I began at around ten million but had been
upgraded over the years to around twenty million. However, this does not take into account
the highly damaging effects of what would become known as the Spanish Flu in 1918. Recent
research into this aspect of the war is now postulating of up to sixty million deaths all
told.
The Spanish Flu was actually a very mild flu; not the devastating epidemic that again
idiot educators and historians have touted over the years. What made this particular strain
of Flu so devastating was not the virus itself but the need for adequate health-care and
recovery. However, within the field armies that were facing each other, the deprivations that
the war had brought to continental Europe, and the very poorly developed 33 US training camps
in the States, affected personnel and civilian populace did not have the proper facilities
and health-care required to allow them to recover quickly and properly from this disease. The
result was that patients lingered in terrible conditions making recovery impossible and
allowing death to ensue.
Finally, it was not just British bankers who wanted their loans paid back but the US banks
desired it as well for their own loans; a first in the annals of military history between
allies. However, the Wilson Administration never considered the US an ally to Britain or
France. It instead viewed itself as an "associated nation", whatever that meant. However,
Wilson was famously known for his ridiculous vagueness and slogans ("saving the world for
democracy", which even at the time no one could quite figure out the meaning of). As a
result, the US would not sign a peace agreement until 1922.
The World Wars (I and II) can be seen as an increasingly desperate attempt of a fading
British Empire to hold on to and maintain its power and hegemony, with the material, human,
and moral cost of the wars actually accelerating the empire's demise.
Likewise, the current endless "War on Terra" can be seen as an increasingly desperate
attempt of a fading American Empire to hold on to and maintain its power and hegemony, again
with the material, human, and moral cost of this war actually accelerating its demise.
But in the meantime, in both examples, the Bankers and the MIC just keep reaping their
profits, even at the expense of the empires they purportedly support and defend.
'There has never been a just [war], never an honorable one–on the part of the
instigator of the war. I can see a million years ahead, and this rule will never change in so
many as half a dozen instances. The loud little handful–as usual–will shout for
the war. The pulpit will– warily and cautiously–object–at first; the great,
big, dull bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and try to make out why there should be
a war, and will say, earnestly and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable, and there is
no necessity for it." Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair men on the other side
will argue and reason against the war with speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing
and be applauded; but it will not last long; those others will outshout them, and presently
the anti-war audiences will thin out and lose popularity. Before long you will see this
curious thing: the speakers stoned from the platform, and free speech strangled by hordes of
furious men who in their secret hearts are still at one with those stoned speakers–as
earlier– but do not dare to say so. And now the whole nation–pulpit and
all– will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who
ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen
will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man
will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and
refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that
the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of
grotesque self-deception'.
- Satan, in Mark Twain's "The Mysterious Stranger" (1908)
Today, Washington need not even bother to propagandize the public into supporting its
war. By and large, members of the public are indifferent to its very existence. And given
our reliance on a professional military, shooting citizen-soldiers who want to opt out of
the fight is no longer required.
Yep, I was looking for a quote like this. We have a mercenary military now so the ruling
elite can send them anywhere they want with little agitation from the general public. That's
why I advised my son not to join, not that he was leaning in that direction anyway.
(Grin)
I posted this in another thread, but here it is more appropriate:
That's what happens when hubris replaces strategy. In the US today only MIC has a strategy:
produce any fakes necessary to keep the gravy train rolling. The leadership of the country is
wholly owned by MIC and allied forces (AIPAC is one of those) and mostly resembles biblical
blind lead by the blind
Andrew J. Bacevich is hard at work writing a book about how we got Donald J. Trump.
Buying his book would be a waste of money I can tell you for free.
Trump was elected out of the sheer desperation of a large number of Americans fed up to
death with a corrupt government and noxious [neo]liberalism. period.
Unfortunately he was a fraud ..but the most desperate are still clinging, hoping against
hope.
No, it's not the generals who have let us down, but the politicians to whom they
supposedly report and from whom they nominally take their orders.
I'd say both. The generals have greatly assisted in stringing along the trusting public,
always promising that victory is just around the corner, provided the public supports this or
that final effort. Petraeus in particular willingly played his part in misleading the public
about both Iraq and Afghanistan. His career would be a great case study for illuminating what
is wrong with the U.S. today.
As to the apparent failure of the Afghanistan war – one must be careful to separate
stated goals from real ones. What kind of "lasting success" can the U.S. possibly hope for
there? If they managed to defeat the Taliban, pacify the country, install a puppet regime to
govern it, and then leave, what would that achieve? The puppet regime would find itself
surrounded by powers antagonistic to the U.S., and the puppets would either cooperate with
them or be overthrown in no time. The U.S. are not interested in winning and leaving –
they want to continue disrupting the peaceful integration of East, West, and South Asia.
Afghanistan is ideally placed for this purpose, and so the U.S. are quite content with
dragging out that war, as a pretext for their continued presence in the region.
I would disagree on one point though: "Today, Washington need not even bother to
propagandize the public into supporting its war. By and large, members of the public are
indifferent to its very existence."
This is an error. A majority of the American public think that wasting trillions of
dollars on endless pointless foreign wars is a stupid idea, and they think that we would be
better off spending that money on ourselves. It's just that we don't live in a democracy, and
the corporate press constantly ignores the issue. But just because the press doesn't mention
something, doesn't mean that it does not exist.
So during the last presidential election Donald Trump echoed this view, why are we
throwing away all this money on stupid wars when we need that money at home? For this he was
attacked as a fascist and "literally Hitler" (really! It's jaw-dropping when you think about
it). Despite massive propaganda attacking Trump, and a personal style that could charitably
be called a jackass, Trump won the election in large part because indeed most American don't
like the status quo.
After the election, Trump started to deliver on his promises – and he was quickly
beaten down, his pragmatist nationalist advisors purged and replaced with defense-industry
chickenhawks, and now we are back to the old status quo. The public be damned.
No, the American people are not being propagandized into supporting these wars. They are
simply being ignored.
When are you going to stop insulting our intelligence with this Boy's State civics crap?
You're calling on political leaders to stop war, like they don't remember what CIA did to
JFK, RFK, Daschle, or Leahy. Or Paul Wellstone.
Your national command structure, CIA, has impunity for universal jurisdiction crime. They
can kill or torture anyone they want and get away with it. That is what put them in charge.
CIA kills anybody who gets in their way. You fail to comprehend Lenin's lesson: first destroy
the regime, then you can refrain from use of force. Until you're ready to take on CIA, your
bold phrases are silent and odorless farts of feckless self-absorption. Sack up and imprison
CIA SIS or GTFO.
I would disagree on one point though: "Today, Washington need not even bother to
propagandize the public into supporting its war. By and large, members of the public are
indifferent to its very existence."
This is an error. A majority of the American public think that wasting trillions of
dollars on endless pointless foreign wars is a stupid idea, and they think that we would be
better off spending that money on ourselves. It's just that we don't live in a democracy, and
the corporate press constantly ignores the issue. But just because the press doesn't mention
something, doesn't mean that it does not exist.
So during the last presidential election Donald Trump echoed this view, why are we
throwing away all this money on stupid wars when we need that money at home? For this he was
attacked as a fascist and "literally Hitler" (really! It's jaw-dropping when you think about
it). Despite massive propaganda attacking Trump, and a personal style that could charitably
be called a jackass, Trump won the election in large part because indeed most American don't
like the status quo.
After the election, Trump started to deliver on his promises - and he was quickly beaten
down, his pragmatist nationalist advisors purged and replaced with defense-industry
chickenhawks, and now we are back to the old status quo. The public be damned.
No, the American people are not being propagandized into supporting these wars. They are
simply being ignored. While I agree the slave-American is ignored, I think the elected,
salaried members of the elected government are also ignored.. The persons in charge are
Pharaohs and massively powerful global in scope corporations.
Abe Lincoln, McKinnley, Kennedy discovered that fact in their fate.
Organized Zionism was copted by the London bankers and their corporations 1897, since then
a string of events have emerged.. that like a Submarine, seeking a far off target, it must
divert to avoid being discovered, but soon, Red October returns to its intended path. here
the path is to take the oil from the Arabs.. and the people driving that submarine are
extremely wealthy Pharaohs and very well known major corporations.
I suggest to quit talking about the nation states and their leaders as if either could
beat their way out of a wet paper sack. instead starting talking about the corporations and
Pharaohs because they are global.
" The United States of
Amnesia ." That's what Gore Vidal once called us. We remember what we find it convenient to
remember and forget everything else. That forgetfulness especially applies to the history of
others. How could their past, way back when, have any meaning for us today?
Well, it just might. Take the European conflagration of 1914-1918, for example.
You may not have noticed. There's no reason why you should have, fixated as we all are on
the daily torrent of presidential tweets and the flood of mindless rejoinders they elicit. But
let me note for the record that the centenary of the conflict once known as The Great War is
well underway and before the present year ends will have concluded.
Indeed, a hundred years ago this month, the 1918 German Spring Offensive -- codenamed
Operation Michael -- was sputtering to an unsuccessful conclusion. A last desperate German
gamble, aimed at shattering Allied defenses and gaining a decisive victory, had fallen short.
In early August of that year, with large numbers of our own doughboys now on the front lines, a
massive Allied counteroffensive was to commence, continuing until the eleventh hour
of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, when an armistice finally took effect and the guns
fell silent.
In the years that followed, Americans demoted The Great War. It became World War I, vaguely
related to but overshadowed by the debacle next in line, known as World War II. Today, the
average citizen knows little about that earlier conflict other than that it preceded and
somehow paved the way for an even more brutal bloodletting. Also, on both occasions, the bad
guys spoke German.
So, among Americans, the war of 1914-1918 became a neglected stepsister of sorts, perhaps in
part because the United States only got around to suiting up for that conflict about halfway
through the fourth quarter. With the war of 1939-1945 having been sacralized as the moment when
the Greatest Generation saved humankind, the war-formerly-known-as-The-Great-War collects dust
in the bottom drawer of American collective consciousness.
From time to time, some politician or newspaper columnist will resurrect the file labeled
"August 1914," the grim opening weeks of that war, and sound off about the dangers of
sleepwalking into a devastating conflict that nobody wants or understands. Indeed, with
Washington today having become a carnival of buncombe
so sublimely preposterous that even that great journalistic iconoclast H.L. Mencken might have
been struck dumb, ours is perhaps an apt moment for just such a reminder.
Yet a different aspect of World War I may possess even greater relevance to the American
present. I'm thinking of its duration: the longer it lasted, the less sense it made. But on it
went, impervious to human control like the sequence of Biblical plagues that God had inflicted on the
ancient Egyptians.
So the relevant question for our present American moment is this: once it becomes apparent
that a war is a mistake, why would those in power insist on its perpetuation, regardless of
costs and consequences? In short, when getting in turns out to have been a bad idea,
why is getting out so difficult, even (or especially) for powerful nations that
presumably should be capable of exercising choice on such matters? Or more bluntly, how did the
people in charge during The Great War get away with inflicting such extraordinary damage on the
nations and peoples for which they were responsible?
For those countries that endured World War I from start to finish -- especially Great
Britain, France, and Germany -- specific circumstances provided their leaders with an excuse
for suppressing second thoughts about the cataclysm they had touched off.
Among them were:
mostly compliant civilian populations deeply loyal to some version of
King and Country, further kept in line by unremitting
propaganda that minimized dissent; draconian discipline -- deserters and malingerers faced
firing squads -- that
maintained order in the ranks (most of the time) despite the unprecedented scope of the
slaughter; the comprehensive industrialization of war, which ensured a seemingly endless supply
of the weaponry, munitions, and other equipment necessary for outfitting mass conscript armies
and replenishing losses as they occurred.
Economists would no doubt add sunk costs to the mix. With so much treasure already
squandered and so many lives already lost, the urge to press on a bit longer in hopes of
salvaging at least some meager benefit in return for what (and who) had been done in was
difficult to resist.
Even so, none of these, nor any combination of them, can adequately explain why, in the
midst of an unspeakable orgy of self-destruction, with staggering losses and nations in ruin,
not one monarch or president or premier had the wit or gumption to declare: Enough! Stop this
madness!
Instead, the politicians sat on their hands while actual authority devolved onto the likes
of British Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig, French Marshals Ferdinand Foch and Philippe Petain,
and German commanders Paul von Hindenburg and Erich Ludendorff. In other words, to solve a
conundrum they themselves had created, the politicians of the warring states all deferred to
their warrior chieftains. For their part, the opposing warriors jointly subscribed to a
perverted inversion of strategy best summarized by Ludendorff
as "punch a hole [in the front] and let the rest follow." And so the conflict dragged on and
on.
The Forfeiture of Policy
Put simply, in Europe, a hundred years ago, war had become politically purposeless. Yet the
leaders of the world's principal powers -- including
Allow me to suggest that the United States should consider taking a page out of Lenin's
playbook. Granted, prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, such a suggestion might
have smacked of treason. Today, however, in the midst of our
never-ending efforts to expunge terrorism, we might look to Lenin for guidance on how to
get our priorities straight.
As was the case with Great Britain, France, and Germany a century ago, the United States now
finds itself mired in a senseless war. Back then, political leaders in London, Paris, and
Berlin had abrogated control of basic policy to warrior chieftains. Today, ostensibly
responsible political leaders in Washington have done likewise. Some of those latter-day
American warrior chieftains who gather in the White House or testify on Capitol Hill may wear
suits rather than uniforms, but all remain enamored with the twenty-first-century equivalent of
Ludendorff's notorious dictum.
Of course, our post-9/11 military enterprise -- the undertaking once known as the Global War
on Terrorism -- differs from The Great War in myriad ways. The ongoing hostilities in which
U.S. forces are involved in various parts of the Islamic world do not qualify, even
metaphorically, as "great." Nor will there be anything great about an
armed conflict with Iran , should members of the current administration get their
apparent
wish to provoke one.
Today, Washington need not even bother to propagandize the public into supporting its war.
By and large, members of the public are indifferent to its very existence. And given our
reliance on a professional military, shooting citizen-soldiers who want to opt out of the fight
is no longer required.
There are also obvious differences in scale, particularly when it comes to the total number
of casualties involved. Cumulative deaths from the various U.S. interventions, large and small,
undertaken since 9/11, number in the hundreds of thousands . The precise tally
of those lost during the European debacle of 1914-1918 will never be known, but the total
probably surpassed
13 million .
Even so, similarities between the Great War as it unspooled and our own
not-in-the-least-great war(s) deserve consideration. Today, as then, strategy -- that is, the
principled use of power to achieve the larger interests of the state -- has ceased to exist.
Indeed, war has become an excuse for ignoring the absence of strategy.
For years now, U.S. military officers and at least some national security aficionados have
referred to ongoing military hostilities as " the Long War ." To describe our conglomeration of
spreading conflicts as "long" obviates any need to suggest when or under what circumstances (if
any) they might actually end. It's like the meteorologist forecasting a "long winter" or the
betrothed telling his or her beloved that theirs will be a "long engagement." The implicit
vagueness is not especially encouraging.
Some high-ranking officers of late have offered a more forthright explanation of what "long"
may really mean. In the Washington Post , the journalist Greg Jaffe
recently reported that "winning for much of the U.S. military's top brass has come to be
synonymous with staying put." Winning, according to Air Force General Mike Holmes, is simply
"not losing. It's staying in the game."
Not so long ago, America's armed forces adhered to a concept called victory , which
implied conclusive, expeditious, and economical mission accomplished. No more. Victory
, it turns out, is too tough to achieve, too restrictive, or, in the words of Army
Lieutenant General Michael Lundy, "too absolute." The United States military now grades itself
instead on a curve. As Lundy puts it, "winning is more of a continuum," an approach that allows
you to claim mission accomplishment without, you know, actually accomplishing anything.
It's like soccer for six-year-olds. Everyone tries hard so everyone gets a trophy.
Regardless of outcomes, no one goes home feeling bad. In the U.S. military's case, every
general gets a medal (or, more likely, a
chest full of them).
"These days," in the Pentagon, Jaffe writes, "senior officers talk about 'infinite
war.'"
I would like to believe that Jaffe is pulling our leg. But given that he's a conscientious
reporter with excellent sources, I fear he knows what he's talking about. If he's right, as far
as the top brass are concerned, the Long War has now officially gone beyond long. It has been
deemed endless and is accepted as such by those who preside over its conduct.
Strategic Abomination
In truth, infinite war is a strategic abomination, an admission of professional military
bankruptcy. Erster General-Quartiermeister Ludendorff might have endorsed the term,
but Ludendorff was a military fanatic.
Check that. Infinite war is a strategic abomination except for arms merchants, so-called
defense contractors, and the " emergency
men " (and women) devoted to climbing the greasy pole of what we choose to call the
national security establishment. In other words, candor obliges us to acknowledge that, in some
quarters, infinite war is a pure positive, carrying with it a promise of yet more profits,
promotions, and opportunities to come. War keeps the gravy train rolling. And, of course,
that's part of the problem.
Who should we hold accountable for this abomination? Not the generals, in my view. If they
come across as a dutiful yet unimaginative lot, remember that a lifetime of military service
rarely nurtures imagination or creativity. And let us at least credit our generals with this:
in their efforts to liberate or democratize or pacify or dominate the Greater Middle East they
have tried every military tactic and technique imaginable. Short of nuclear annihilation,
they've played just about every card in the Pentagon's deck -- without coming up with a winning
hand. So they come and go at regular intervals, each new commander promising success and
departing after a couple years to
make way for someone else to give it a try.
It tells us something about our prevailing standards of generalship that, by resurrecting an
old idea -- counterinsurgency -- and applying it with temporary success to one particular
theater of war, General David Petraeus acquired a reputation as a military genius. If Petraeus
is a military genius, so, too, is General George McClellan. After winning the Battle of Rich
Mountain in 1861, newspapers
dubbed McClellan "the Napoleon of the Present War." But the action at Rich Mountain decided
nothing and McClellan didn't win the Civil War any more than Petraeus won the Iraq War.
No, it's not the generals who have let us down, but the politicians to whom they supposedly
report and from whom they nominally take their orders. Of course, under the heading of
politician, we quickly come to our current commander-in-chief. Yet it would be manifestly
unfair to blame President Trump for the mess he inherited, even if he is presently engaged in
making matters worse .
The failure is a collective one, to which several presidents and both political parties have
contributed over the years. Although the carnage may not be as horrific today as it was on the
European battlefields on the Western and Eastern Fronts, members of our political class are
failing us as strikingly and repeatedly as the political leaders of Great Britain, France, and
Germany failed their peoples back then. They have abdicated responsibility for policy to our
own homegrown equivalents of Haig, Foch, Petain, Hindenburg, and Ludendorff. Their failure is
unforgivable.
Congressional midterm elections are just months away and another presidential election
already looms. Who will be the political leader with the courage and presence of mind to
declare: "Enough! Stop this madness!" Man or woman, straight or gay, black, brown, or white,
that person will deserve the nation's gratitude and the support of the electorate.
Trump did implement some measures in internal policy that are against neoliberal dogma. Also
in foreign policy he introduced tariffs which is anathema for neoliberal globalization. where he
completely folded is foreign policy and wars for neoliberal empire expansion (with some conducted
for the main benefit of Israel). he generally conducts a neocon foreign policy.
But Bacevich is right in a sense that Trump does not control his own cabinet./ Behaviour of
Haley and Pompeo are clear indications of that.
Notable quotes:
"... almost nothing of substance has changed. ..."
Donald Trump's tenure as the 45th U.S. president may last another few weeks, another year,
or another 16 months. However unsettling the prospect, the leaky vessel that is the S.S. Trump
might even manage to stay afloat for a second term. Nonetheless, recent headline-making
revelations suggest that, like some derelict ship that's gone aground, the Trump presidency may
already have effectively run its course. What, then, does this bizarre episode in American
history signify?
Let me state my own view bluntly: forget the atmospherics. Despite the lies, insults, name
calling, and dog whistles, almost nothing of substance has changed. Nor will it.
To a far greater extent than Trump's perpetually hyperventilating critics are willing to
acknowledge, the United States remains on a trajectory that does not differ appreciably from
what it was prior to POTUS #45 taking office. Post-Trump America, just now beginning to come
into view, is shaping up to look remarkably like pre-Trump America.
I understand that His Weirdness remains in the White House. Yet for all practical purposes,
Trump has ceased to govern. True, he continues to rant and issue bizarre directives, which his
subordinates implement, amend, or simply disregard
as they see fit.
Except in a ceremonial sense, the office of the presidency presently lies vacant. Call it an
abdication-in-place. It's as if British King Edward VIII, having abandoned his throne for "the woman I love,"
continued to hang around Buckingham Palace fuming about the lack of respect given Wallis and
releasing occasional bulletins affirming his
admiration for Adolf Hitler.
In Trump's case, it's unlikely he ever had a more serious interest in governing than Edward
had in performing duties more arduous than those he was eventually assigned as Duke of Windsor.
Nonetheless, the 60-plus million Americans who voted for Trump did so with at least the
expectation that he was going to shake things up.
And bigly .
Remember, he was going to "lock her up." He would "drain the swamp" and "build a wall" with
Mexico volunteering to foot the bill. Without further ado, he would end "this American
carnage." Meanwhile, "America First" would form the basis for U.S. foreign policy. Once Trump
took charge, things were going to be different, as he and he alone would "make America great
again."
Yet the cataclysm that Trump's ascendency was said to signify has yet to occur. Barring a
nuclear war, it won't.
If you spend your days watching CNN or MSNBC or reading columnists employed by the New
York Times and the Washington Post , you might conclude otherwise. But those are
among the institutions that, on November 8, 2016, suffered a nervous breakdown from which they
have yet to recover. Nor, it now seems clear, do they wish to recover as long as Donald Trump
remains president. To live in a perpetual state of high dudgeon, denouncing his latest inanity
and predicting the onset of fascism, is to enjoy the equivalent of a protracted psychic orgasm,
one induced by mutual masturbation.
Yet if you look beyond the present to the fairly recent past, it becomes apparent that
change on the scale that Trump was promising had actually occurred, even if well
before he himself showed up on the scene. The consequences of that Big Change are going to
persist long after he is gone. It's those consequences that now demand our attention, not the
ongoing Gong Show jointly orchestrated by the White House and journalists fancying themselves
valiant defenders of Truth.
Trump himself is no more than a pimple on the face of this nation's history. It's time to
step back from the mirror and examine the face in full. Pretty it's not.
The Way We Were
Compare the America that welcomed young Donald Trump into the world in 1946 with the country
that, some 70 years later, elected him president. As the post-World War II era was beginning,
three large facts -- so immense that they were simply taken for granted -- defined America.
First, the United States made everything and made more of it than anyone else. In postwar
America, wealth derived in large measure from the manufacture of stuff: steel, automobiles,
refrigerators, shoes, socks, blouses, baseballs, you name it. "Made in the USA" was more than
just a slogan. With so much of the industrialized world in ruins, the American economy
dominated and defined everyday economic reality globally.
Second, back then while the mighty engine of industrial capitalism was generating impressive
riches, it was also distributing the benefits on a relatively equitable
basis . Postwar America was the emblematic middle-class country, the closest approximation
to a genuinely classless and democratic society the world had ever seen.
Third, having had their fill of fighting from 1941 to 1945, Americans had a genuine aversion
to war. They may not have been a peace-loving people, but they knew enough about war to see it
as a great evil. Avoiding its further occurrence, if at all possible, was a priority, although
one not fully shared by the new national security establishment just then beginning to flex its
muscles in Washington.
Now
without even pretending to distribute the benefits equitably. Politicians still routinely
paid tribute to the Great American Middle Class. Yet the hallmarks of postwar middle-class life
-- a steady job, a paycheck adequate to support a family, the prospect of a pension -- were
rapidly disappearing. While Americans still enjoyed freedom of a sort, many of them lacked
security.
By 2016, Americans had also come to accept war as
normal . Here was "global leadership" made manifest. So U.S. troops were now always out
there somewhere fighting, however obscure the purpose of their exertions and however dim their
prospects of achieving anything approximating
victory . The 99% of Americans who were not soldiers learned to tune out those wars,
content merely to "support the troops," an obligation fulfilled by offering periodic
expressions of reverence on public occasions. Thank you for your service!
The Way We Are
But note: Donald Trump played no role in creating this America or consigning the America of
1946 to oblivion. As a modern equivalent of P.T. Barnum, he did demonstrate considerable skill
in exploiting the opportunities on offer as the strictures of postwar America gave way. Indeed,
he parlayed those opportunities into fortune, celebrity, lots of golf ,
plenty of sex, and eventually the highest office in the land. Only in America, as we used to
say.
In 1946, it goes without saying, he would never have been taken seriously as a would-be
presidential candidate. By 2016, his narcissism, bombast, vulgarity, and talent for
self-promotion nicely expressed the underside of the prevailing zeitgeist. His candidacy was
simultaneously preposterous, yet strangely fitting.
By the twenty-first century, the values that Trump embodies had become as thoroughly and
authentically American as any of those specified in the oracular pronouncements of Thomas
Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, or Franklin Roosevelt. Trump's critics may see him as an
abomination. But he is also one of us.
And here's the real news: the essential traits that define America today -- those things
that make this country so different from what it seemed to be in 1946 -- will surely survive
the Trump presidency. If anything, he and his cronies deserve at least some credit for
sustaining just those traits.
Candidate Trump essentially promised Americans a version of 1946 redux . He would
revive manufacturing and create millions of well-paying jobs for working stiffs. By cutting
taxes, he would put more money in the average Joe or Jill's pocket. He would eliminate the
trade deficit and balance the federal budget. He would end our endless wars and bring the
troops home where they belong. He would oblige America's allies, portrayed as a crew of
freeloaders, to shoulder their share of the burden. He would end illegal immigration. He would
make the United States once more the God-fearing Christian country it was meant to be.
How seriously Trump expected any of those promises to be taken is anyone's guess. But this
much is for sure: they remain almost entirely unfulfilled.
True, domestic manufacturing has experienced a
slight uptick , but globalization remains an implacable reality. Unless you've got a STEM
degree, good jobs are still hard to come by. Ours is increasingly a "gig" economy, which might
be cool enough when you're 25, but less so when you're in your sixties and wondering if you'll
ever be able to retire.
While Trump and a Republican Congress delivered on their promise of tax "reform," its
chief beneficiaries will be the rich, further confirmation, if it were needed, that the
American economy is indeed rigged in favor of a growing class of plutocrats. Trade deficit?
It's headed for a
10-year high . Balanced budget? You've got to be joking. The estimated federal deficit next
year will exceed a
trillion dollars , boosting the national debt past
$21 trillion . (Trump had
promised to eliminate that debt entirely.)
And, of course, the wars haven't ended. Here is Trump, just last month, doing his best
George McGovern imitation: "I'm constantly reviewing Afghanistan and the whole Middle East," he
asserted . "We never should have been in the Middle East. It was the single greatest
mistake in the history of our country." Yet Trump has perpetuated and, in some instances,
expanded America's military misadventures in the Greater Middle East, while essentially
insulating himself from personal responsibility for their continuation.
As commander-in-chief, he's a distinctly hands-off kind of guy. Despite being unable to
walk, President Franklin Roosevelt visited GIs serving in combat zones more often than Trump
has. If you want to know why we are in Afghanistan and how long U.S. forces will stay there,
ask Defense Secretary James Mattis or some general, but don't, whatever you do, ask the
president.
On Not Turning America's Back on the World
And then there is the matter of Trump's "isolationism." Recall that when he became
president, foreign policy experts across Washington warned that the United States would now
turn its back on the world and abandon its self-assigned role as keeper of order and defender
of democracy. Now, nearing the mid-point of Trump's first (and hopefully last) term, the United
States remains formally committed to defending the territorial integrity of each and every NATO
member state, numbering 29 in all. Add to that an obligation to defend nations as varied as
Japan, South Korea, and, under the terms of the Rio Pact of 1947, most of Latin America. Less
formally but no less substantively, the U.S. ensures the security of Israel, Saudi Arabia, and
various other Persian Gulf countries.
As for obliging those allies to
pony up more for the security we have long claimed to provide, that's clearly not going to
happen any time soon. Our European allies have pocketed both Trump's insults and his assurances
that the United States will continue to defend them, offering in return the
vaguest of promises that, sometime in the future, they might consider investing more in
defense.
By-the-by, U.S. forces under Donald Trump's ostensible command are today present in more
than 150 countries worldwide.
Urged on by the president, Congress has passed a bill that boosts the Pentagon budget to
$717 billion , an $82 billion increase over the prior year. Needless to say, no adversary
or plausible combination of adversaries comes
anywhere close to matching that figure.
To call this isolationism is comparable to calling Trump svelte.
As for the promised barrier, that " big,
fat, beautiful wall ," to seal the southern border, it has advanced no further than the
display
of several possible prototypes. No evidence exists to suggest that Mexico will, as Trump
insisted, pay for its construction, nor that Congress will appropriate the necessary funds,
estimated at somewhere north of
$20 billion , even with Republicans still controlling both houses of Congress. And in
truth, whether it is built or not, the U.S.-Mexico border will remain what it has been for
decades: heavily patrolled but porous, a conduit for desperate people seeking safety and
opportunity, but also for criminal elements trafficking in drugs or human beings.
The point of this informal midterm report card is not to argue that Donald Trump has somehow
failed. It is rather to highlight his essential irrelevance.
Trump is not the disruptive force that anti-Trumpers accuse him of being. He is merely a
noxious, venal, and ineffectual blowhard, who has assembled a team of associates who are
themselves, with few exceptions, noxious, venal, or ineffectual.
So here's the upshot of it all: if you were basically okay with where America was headed
prior to November 2016, just take a deep breath and think of Donald Trump as the political
equivalent of a kidney stone -- not fun, but sooner or later, it will pass. And when it does,
normalcy will return. Soon enough you'll forget it ever happened.
If, on the other hand, you were not okay with where America was headed in 2016, it's past
time to give up the illusion that Donald Trump is going to make things right. Eventually a
pimple dries up and disappears, often without leaving a trace. Such is the eventual destiny of
Donald Trump as president.
In the meantime, of course, there are any number of things about Trump to raise our ire.
Climate change offers a good example. And yet climate change may be the best illustration of
Trump's insignificance.
Under President Obama, the United States showed signs of mounting a belated effort to
address global warming. The Trump administration wasted little time in reversing course,
reverting to the science-denying position to which Republicans adhered long before Trump
himself showed up.
No doubt future generations will find fault with Trump's inaction in the face of this
crisis. Yet when Miami
is underwater and California wildfires
rage throughout the year, Trump himself won't be the only -- or even the principal –
culprit charged with culpable neglect.
The nation's too-little, too-late response to climate change for which a succession of
presidents share responsibility illustrates the great and abiding defect of contemporary
American politics. When all is said and done, presidents don't shape the country; the country
shapes the presidency -- or at least it defines the parameters within which presidents operate.
Over the course of the last few decades, those parameters have become increasingly at odds with
the collective wellbeing of the American people, not to mention of the planet as a whole.
Yet Americans have been obdurate in refusing to acknowledge that fact.
Americans today are deeply divided. There exists no greater symbol of that division than
Trump himself -- the wild enthusiasm he generates in some quarters and the antipathy verging on
hatred he elicits in others.
The urgent need of the day is to close that divide, which is as broad as it is deep,
touching on culture, the political economy, America's role in the world, and the definition of
the common good. I submit that these matters lie beyond any president's purview, but especially
this one's.
Trump is not the problem. Think of him instead as a summons to address the real problem,
which in a nation ostensibly of, by, and for the people is the collective responsibility of the
people themselves. For Americans to shirk that responsibility further will almost surely pave
the way for more Trumps -- or someone worse -- to come.
A cultural war has been ignited. The United States in 6 more years will be a different
country. For good or evil, I do not know. Whichever side wins will take all.
There is no more an American people. Trump's election has revealed a cultural divide which
has existed for the past 50 years or more. He didn't cause it, he has unconsciously uncovered
it.
Trump did at least have the courage publicly to
describe the enemy within, which makes him all but unique among Western politicians:
'Their financial resources are virtually unlimited, their political resources are unlimited,
their media resources are unmatched, and most importantly, the depths of their immorality is
absolutely unlimited.'
"... It is remarkable the extent to which Israeli concerns dominate those of the United States, which now has a foreign policy that often is not even remotely connected to actual U.S. interests. ..."
"... Congress and the Special Counsel are investigating Russia's alleged interference in America's political system while looking the other way when Israel operates aggressively in the open and does much more damage. ..."
1. "The only way for Syria and Iran and Russia to defend Syria is to clearly tell
Washington, London, Paris (the main ZOGs) and Israel that attacks on Syria will be responded
to by attacks on Israeli military and intel sites. The introduction of any nuclear device of
any size will result in a full-scale nuclear response.
That is the only play otherwise Syria simply bleeds to death as t he Jews get their
puppets to keep fomenting terror and dropping bombs on SAA efforts to fight those
terrorists . We come to the moment when Russia either defends Syria by hitting Israel or
it decides to accept the Long Death of Anglo-Zionist megalomania."
2. "I really do wish Russia would just instantly bomb Israel. That would be the best way
to separate us from that satanic rope around our necks."
3. "I call everyone in the military to disobey orders for attacking anything in Syria
except Isis. Need to spread this on social media. Don't be mercenaries of Israel
."
-- Your "most victimized" have squandered all and any sympathy for your "incomparable
sufferings" by promoting the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East. The Jewish State and its
subordinate zionized US have become the gravest danger to humanity.
This whole issue is so surrealistic. The last time the OPCW didn't confirm their accusations,
but now they know who is going to commit a chemical attack right now, and they don't even
wait for the actual events to be cocksure about it. Apparently they want a nuclear Mexican
standoff. This is the problem that last time maybe Russia wasn't convincingly committed to a
nuclear war, and so they are trying to explore this perceived weakness. It will get to a
point where the US will call Russia's "bluff" which will turn out not to have been a bluff.
Jews undermined and
destroyed their own society, as routinely as they undermine Western Civilization. The OT
reveals the historic pattern of Hebraic self-destruction, and depravity; which was repeated
in the 1st Century, and chronicled by Josephus.
Jews are not as problematic, as the Muhammadans.
So, 1st things 1st. The ziocon-supported "rebels" of A Qaeda (see Washington Post
editorial written by Israel firsters) are preparing a children sacrifice for the glory of the
the mythical Eretz Israel: https://www.rt.com/news/438282-white-helmets-film-chemical-attacks/
"The militants have selected 22 children and their parents from several villages in the
Aleppo governorate who will play parts in staging fake chemical weapon attacks.
Another group of children is comprised of orphans kidnapped from refugee camps, who are meant
to be used for the footage of death scenes. It is currently kept in one of the buildings of
the Ikab prison controlled by Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group.
Signs of activities to prepare staged chemical weapon attacks were reported in Kafir-Zait,
the military claims, also naming two villages where toxic chemicals have been delivered to
stage provocations."
-- Not a peep from the "humanitarian" Jewish State that has been waiting impatiently a
resumption of the slaughter of civilians in the sovereign State of Syria. Nothing pleases the
Jewish State more than the death of kids in Syria, Iraq, Libya, and Iran. This is your
tribeswoman:
" Paul Joseph Watson reported that at least 29 different Syrian rebel groups are pledging
allegiance to the Nusra Front, an al-Qaeda affiliate group responsible for killing
American troops in Iraq.
"Syrian rebels have been responsible for a plethora of atrocities, from terrorist attacks and
massacres, to forcing people to become suicide bombers, to attacks on Christian churches and
making children carry out grisly beheadings of unarmed prisoners," Watson wrote.
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has even admitted to BBC that these Syrian rebels
on the same side as the U.S. in Syria are terrorist groups
President Obama has been openly supporting the Syrian rebels "
"We know they sent in the CIA to overthrow Assad. The CIA and Saudi Arabia together in covert
operations tried to overthrow Assad. It was a disaster.
Eventually, it brought in both ISIS as a splinter group to the jihadists that went in, it
also brought in Russia.
So we have been digging deeper and deeper and deeper. What we should do now is get out, and
not continue to throw missiles, not have a confrontation with Russia."
"Syria is only part of a much larger problem. It is remarkable the extent to which Israeli
concerns dominate those of the United States, which now has a foreign policy that often is
not even remotely connected to actual U.S. interests.
Congress and the Special Counsel are
investigating Russia's alleged interference in America's political system while looking the
other way when Israel operates aggressively in the open and does much more damage. Netanyahu
and his crew of unsavory cutthroats are hardly ever cited for their malignant influence over
America's political class and media. Bomb Syria? Sure. After all, it's good for Israel."
-- The bloody, murderous, perfidious Jewish Power is guilty of the rivers of blood and
mounds of human flesh in Syria. Close your holo-biz museums already.
The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in
an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would
prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information.
With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how
best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money
or more power...
They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty
guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for
monopoly and vested interest.
Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is
directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power
of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.
Absolutely. Trump
is being led by the nose into WW3. It's only a matter of time, unfortunately. The issue is
that, while most likely there will be no ww3 after this newest crisis, just as there was no
nuclear war after the April crisis, we never know exactly how close we are to a nuclear war,
because previously both parties tried to stay clear of such situations. How many times can
the US illegally strike at Syrian targets without it leading to some Russian response which
would in turn lead to some US response and so on, until we'll face some kind of situation
where the sweating, nervous and sleep-deprived leadership of one of these nuclear superpowers
will in an underground bunker rightly or wrongly contemplate the possibility that if they
don't use their nukes in 20 minutes, they'll lose most of them..? Since we've rarely been in
such situations, we don't really know what the margin of error is, nor what could lead to the
use of nuclear weapons. We have no idea.
"It would be desirable, one presumes, to avoid an open conflict with Russia, which would be
unpredictable "
Quite wrong, and very dangerous. In fact an "open conflict" (or, as we say in English, a
war) against Russia would – very predictably indeed – have one of two possible
outcomes:
1. A catastrophic and decisive defeat for the USA;
"Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday
at getting back at you" – Chuck Schumer. maybe Schumer's protective scare-mongering
goes to a deeper matter; the matter of the most powerful intelligence agency operating in the
USA is MOSSAD, an entity which has penetrated every aspect of American governance.
AIPAC is one of MOSSAD's favorite playgrounds
Did Sanders' people challenge 'the Russians did it' propaganda line, demand the DNC
servers be examined by forensic specialists and investigate Crowdstrike? No.
no U.S. intelligence agency has performed its own forensic analysis on the [Clinton's] hacked
servers. Instead, the bureau and other agencies have relied on analysis done by the
third-party security firm CrowdStrike [Dm. Alperovitch, of the CrowdStrike fame, is a vicious
Russophobe and loyal zionist fed and cared for by the ziocon Atlantic Council.] In actuality
we know it was the assassinated Seth Rich took the DNC emails with a thumbdrive.
Vladimir Putin, the man standing in the way of Syria's breakup and working to keep the
Iran agreement intact and avert a war, must be demonized to realize Bibi Netanyahu's goals.
In fact, Israel's intelligence services focus has historically prioritized Russia, first, and
the USA second "
– The Jewish Bolsheviks are in arms against Russia and the US because this is what
the Jewish Bolsheviks are best for -- at the destruction of functioning human societies.
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Comment September 12, 2018 at 5:52 am
GMT 200 Words @Tyrion 2 I get it. You're
Palestinian. You're aggrieved. Every single year for 70 years your guys have refused to come to
a deal and every single year your hand has gotten weaker. That must be hugely frustrating.
But best for you that you live in the real world. 3 random comments from you on an
interesting but minor and consistently prognosticatarily incorrect site is not the real
world.
Israel doesn't want Iran in Syria long-term. Everyone else but hardline elements of the
Iranian state agree, so they have now been pushed.
That is the end of the matter, along with some reasonable autonomy for the Kurds. It'd be
lovely for them to have a proper sovereign country over all of the areas they'd like to lay
claim to, but the Kurds appreciate their position and play with the hand they are dealt.
Also, making up phrases and putting them in quotes as if I have ever said them is strikingly
dishonest. ' Israel doesn't want Iran in Syria long-term '
If so, then we have another example of the Israelis figuring out how to cleverly screw
themselves.
Of course secular dictator Assad would never have invited Islamic Republic of Iran troops
into Syria -- not in a month of sundays.
not until Israel engineered the transformation of the 'Arab Spring' in Syria into a
prolonged and bloody civil war in which a desperate Assad would take whatever help he could get
-- like Islamic Republic of Iran troops.
Now Israel's got Iranians in Syria. And of course they made a bitter enemy out of Iran in
the first place with their campaign of assassinations and terrorist bombings in Iran.
This is even better than Israel's creation of Hezbollah and sponsorship of Hamas. It would
appear that all we have to do is sit back and let the Zionists scheme themselves into total
defeat. I wonder what their next stroke of genius is going to be?
"... The op-ed, perhaps by no coincidence whatsoever, appeared one week before the release of the new book by Bob Woodward Fear: Trump in the White House , which has a similar tale to tell and came out on Amazon today. ..."
And there is always Iran just waiting to get kicked around, when all else fails. Haley,
always blissfully ignorant but never quiet,
commented while preparing to take over the presidency of the U.N. Security Council last
Friday, that Russia and Syria "want to bomb schools, hospitals, and homes" before launching
into a tirade about Iran, saying
that "President Trump is very adamant that we have to start making sure that Iran is
falling in line with international order. If you continue to look at the spread Iran has had in
supporting terrorism, if you continue to look at the ballistic missile testing that they are
doing, if you continue to look at the sales of weapons we see with the Huthis in Yemen -- these
are all violations of security council resolution. These are all threats to the region, and
these are all things that the international community needs to talk about."
And there is the usual hypocrisy over long term objectives. President Donald Trump said in
April that "it's time" to bring American troops home from Syria -- once the jihadists of
Islamic State have been definitively defeated. But now that that objective is in sight, there
has to be some question about who is actually determining the policies that come out of the
White House, which is reported to be in more than usual disarray due to the appearance last
week of the New York Timesanonymous
op-ed describing a "resistance" movement within the West Wing that has been deliberately
undermining and sometimes ignoring the president to further Establishment/Deep State friendly
policies. The op-ed, perhaps by no coincidence whatsoever, appeared one week before the
release of the new book by Bob Woodward Fear: Trump in the White House , which has a similar tale to tell and came out on
Amazon today.
The book and op-ed mesh nicely in describing how Donald Trump is a walking disaster who is
deliberately circumvented by his staff. One section of the op-ed is particularly telling and
suggestive of neocon foreign policy, describing how the White House staff has succeeded in
"[calling out] countries like Russia for meddling and [having them] punished accordingly" in
spite of the president's desire for détente. It then goes on to elaborate on Russia and
Trump, describing how " the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin's spies as
punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about
senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he
expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for
its malign behavior. But the national security team knew better – such actions had to be
taken to hold Moscow accountable."
If the op-ed and Woodward book are in any way accurate, one has to ask "Whose policy? An
elected president or a cabal of disgruntled staffers who might well identify as
neoconservatives?" Be that as it may, the White House is desperately pushing back while at the
same time searching for the traitor, which suggests to many in Washington that it will right
the sinking ship prior to November elections by the time honored and approved method used by
politicians worldwide, which means starting a war to rally the nation behind the
government.
As North Korea is nuclear armed, the obvious targets for a new or upgraded war would be Iran
and Syria. As Iran might actually fight back effectively and the Pentagon always prefers an
enemy that is easy to defeat, one suspects that some kind of expansion of the current effort in
Syria would be preferable. It would be desirable, one presumes, to avoid an open conflict with
Russia, which would be unpredictable, but an attack on Syrian government forces that would
produce a quick result which could plausibly be described as a victory would certainly be worth
considering.
By all appearances, the preparation of the public for an attack on Syria is already well
underway. The mainstream media has been deluged with descriptions of tyrant Bashar al-Assad,
who allegedly has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people. The rhetoric coming out of
the usual government sources is remarkable for its truculence, particularly when one considers
that Damascus is trying to regain control over what is indisputably its own sovereign territory
from groups that everyone agrees are at least in large part terrorists.
Last week, the Trump White House approved the
new U.S. plan for Syria, which, unlike the old plan of withdrawal, envisions something like
a permanent presence in the country. It includes a continued occupation of the country's
northeast, which is the Kurdish region; forcing Iran plus its proxies including Hezbollah to
leave the country completely; and continued pressure on Damascus to bring about regime
change.
Washington has also shifted its perception of who is trapped in Idlib, with
newly appointed U.S. Special Representative for Syria James Jeffrey arguing that
". . . they're not terrorists, but people fighting a civil war against a brutal
dictator." Jeffrey, it should be noted, was pulled out of retirement where he was a fellow with
the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), an American Israel Public Affairs
Committee (AIPAC) spin off. On his recent trip to the Middle East he stopped off in Israel nine
days ago to meet Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The change in policy, which is totally in
line with Israeli demands, would suggest that Jeffrey received his instructions during the
visit.
Israel is indeed upping its involvement in Syria. It has bombed the country 200
times in the past 18 months and is now threatening to extend the war by attacking Iranians in
neighboring Iraq. It has also been providing
arms to the terrorist groups operating inside Syria .
@annamaria ..."the statement of the head
of the anti-terrorist squad of Scotland Yard that he had "No" evidence of Russian state involvement in the crime in Salisbury..."
Yes. The UK government has lost its marbles in the pursuit of power & money. They suffer the same disease as their Israeli
and US counterparts -- the loss of the life-saving integrity and intelligence and the triumph of the life-threatening stupidity.
The western governments have become incompetent due to the lack of the populace' supervision. For any living organism, no feedback
means no protective actions ensuring the survival of the organism.
The Cheneys and Bibis and Blairs of the world are not intelligent enough even to envision the future for their immediate progeny,
nevermind grandkids. These stupid elders are covered in the blood of the innocent.
The Cheneys and Bibis and Blairs
Cheney was a draft dodger as was Bolton who was a "conscientious objector". As was most of US political class who got to power
in 1990s on.
Bibi for them sure as hell looks like a war hero. There is a method to US "elites" being enamored with IDF military history.
Apart, of course, from being in the pockets of Israeli Lobby. Their war-mongering is a way of compensation.
Cheney was a draft dodger as was Bolton who was a "conscientious objector". As was most of US political class who got to power
in 1990s on.
https://youtu.be/SdJiJ53TexI
Bibi for them sure as hell looks like a war hero. There is a method to US "elites" being enamored with IDF military history.
Apart, of course, from being in the pockets of Israeli Lobby. Their war-mongering is a way of compensation. "Their war-mongering
is a way of compensation.."
"In an editorial Friday, the [Washngton] Post goaded Trump, calling his response to Assad's ruthless [?] recapture of his country
"pathetically weak." To stand by and let the Syrian army annihilate the rebels in Idlib, said the Post, would be "another damaging
abdication of U.S. leadership."
– Very clear. The WP is heavily zionized. The Al Qaeda (euphemistically called by the WP "compensators" the "rebels in Idlib")
is a great asset for the dreamers about Eretz Israel. The authors of the editorial are cowards of zionist persuasion, who would
never ever stand for the US interests and for such western values as the freedom of information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQbYCY9Cr7o
– Here is the presstituting Martin Baron, Executive Editor at The Washington Post. "Baron was born to a Jewish family. His
parents immigrated from Israel." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Baron
-- And Israel is a place where Martin Baron's heart belongs to. It would be great if his body and his whole family also belong
to the Land of Dancing Israelis, instead of using the resources of the US citizenry in propping the warmongering and supremacist
Jewish State.
@annamaria ..."the statement of the head
of the anti-terrorist squad of Scotland Yard that he had "No" evidence of Russian state involvement in the crime in Salisbury..."
Yes. The UK government has lost its marbles in the pursuit of power & money. They suffer the same disease as their Israeli
and US counterparts -- the loss of the life-saving integrity and intelligence and the triumph of the life-threatening stupidity.
The western governments have become incompetent due to the lack of the populace' supervision. For any living organism, no feedback
means no protective actions ensuring the survival of the organism.
The Cheneys and Bibis and Blairs of the world are not intelligent enough even to envision the future for their immediate progeny,
nevermind grandkids. These stupid elders are covered in the blood of the innocent. Cheney stated he had "other things to do" during
the Vietnam War. Bolton stated he had no intention of dying in a war that was already lost. Ironic, given the eagerness with which
both chickenhawks send young Americans to their bloody end in desert wars.
@reiner Tor The issue is that, while most
likely there will be no ww3 after this newest crisis, just as there was no nuclear war after the April crisis, we never know exactly
how close we are to a nuclear war, because previously both parties tried to stay clear of such situations. How many times can
the US illegally strike at Syrian targets without it leading to some Russian response which would in turn lead to some US response
and so on, until we'll face some kind of situation where the sweating, nervous and sleep-deprived leadership of one of these nuclear
superpowers will in an underground bunker rightly or wrongly contemplate the possibility that if they don't use their nukes in
20 minutes, they'll lose most of them..? Since we've rarely been in such situations, we don't really know what the margin of error
is, nor what could lead to the use of nuclear weapons. We have no idea. The biggest tragedy here is that the (((people))) in control
of the US/UK/France want a war against Iran/Russia/China. Their speciality is goyim-on-goyim slaughter and the WW3 is actually
necessary for their messianic ambitions. Their plan is to watch it from underground bunkers and rule over whatever is left afterwards.
That's why I said "it's only a matter of time". They will never stop on their own.
Orwell's 1984 featured perpetual wars and changes of fronts aided by
memory holes. While Stalinism, itself went by the boards, as Orwell sort of predicted, the
same tactics became characteristic of Oceania, his name for the anglophone world in the
novel. Now we have a threatened possible nuclear war to defend the same raghead elements
credited with the 9/11 attacks. In seventeen years we have gone from perpetual war against
the raghead element to perpetual war, up to and including extinction, to be engaged in on
behalf of the same barbarous elements. If we survive this, historians, or at least those
independent of the international "Oceania" deep state structure, will marvel that we came so
close to extinction by fighting for the same barbarians which were the rationale of starting
perpetual war in the first place. Endless wars-zio cons' handiwork:
Twenty American military veterans commit suicide on average every day, according to a
recent report from the US Department of Veteran Affairs.
There is a tendency to think Trump is unique. Just as there had been a tendency among
liberals to think George W. Bush was unique. And not even the Christian zealotry that is
present in the Trump cabinet is unique. The United States has always draped its avaricious
tendencies in the language of devotion and prayer. Or, in Reagan's case, with the addition of
astrology.
"In a ravenous fifty-five-day spasm during the summer of 1898, the United States asserted
control over five far-flung lands with a total of 11 million inhabitants: Guam, Hawaii, Cuba,
the Philippines, and Puerto Rico. Never in history has a nation leaped so suddenly to
overseas empire."
"... The True Flag: Theodore Roosevelt, Mark Twain, and the Birth of American Empire . ..."
"... The True Flag, NYRBs 2018 ..."
"... The Policy of Imperialism ..."
"... Swedish Democrats ..."
"... John Steppling is an original founding member of the Padua Hills Playwrights Festival, a two-time NEA recipient, Rockefeller Fellow in theatre, and PEN-West winner for playwriting. Plays produced in LA, NYC, SF, Louisville, and at universities across the US, as well in Warsaw, Lodz, Paris, London and Krakow. Taught screenwriting and curated the cinematheque for five years at the Polish National Film School in Lodz, Poland. A collection of plays, Sea of Cortez & Other Plays was published in 1999, and his book on aesthetics, Aesthetic Resistance and Dis-Interest was published this year by Mimesis International. ..."
"This country is going so far to the right you won't recognize it "
– John Mitchell (1969)
"Manliness and mastery required regeneration through violence, and by the 1890s, { Theodore}
Roosevelt was spoiling for a fight: "I should welcome almost any war, for I think this country
needs one," he wrote. Any opponent would do, but "the most ultimately righteous of all wars is
a war with savages."
– Jackson Lears ("How the US Began Its Empire," NYRB 2018)
"There is this myth of happiness: black-magic slogans warn you to be happy at once; films
that "end well" show a life of rosy ease to the exhausted crowds; the language is charged with
optimistic and unrestrained expressions-"have a good time," "life is fun," and the like. But
there are also these people, who, though conventionally happy, suffer from an obscure malaise
to which no name can be given, who are tragic through fear of being so, through that total
absence of the tragic in them and around them."
– Jean Paul Sartre ("Americans and Their Myths," 1947)
The long overdue death of John McCain will be remembered not because of McCain himself or
anything he did, but because of its timing. McCain's death happened under a particularly rabid
spike in anti-Trump madness. And so, like all useful deaths, especially of public figures, and
more especially of *warriors*, the moment was seized upon by the information apparatus of the
state and turned into a platform for renewing the symbols and message of American virtue as well
as for reinforcing the basic ideological tenants of U.S. militarism. And for pointing out that
Donald Trump was to be found wanting in all categories and measurements of manliness and imperial
vision. In a sense, McCain is now enshrined as the 21st century Teddy Roosevelt. Both were
racist, both xenophobes, and both arch Imperialists whose personal insecurities were projected
outward in displays of overt and cartoon masculinity.
There has been a lot written of late about the year 1968. It's the 50th anniversary of *68*,
which is now being viewed as a kind of talismanic watershed in U.S. social and political history.
Perhaps it is, but I think that is a bit too simplistic. Still, publications love to pin their
stories on such ideas, so one has not seen the last of this meme. I was in high school in 68, in
Hollywood California and I was to graduate the following year. I had to think seriously about how
to dodge the draft. I remember meeting with counselors, in the various anti-war groups that
abounded in So Cal during that time. The feeling in those places was warm, comraderly, and
genuinely concerned. Many were women's groups including the one that most helped me. But in
general people helped one another. There was no cynicism. No hustle. It's hard to remember that,
today. The war was bad, and we all knew that. The military was bad, and everyone knew that. When
you compare attitudes today you can see just how successful the propaganda arm of the U.S.
military has been.
And just how damaged the western psyche is. Now, with the environmental crises accelerating
and, as one writer put it, "we are not studying global warming now, we are living it," you might
think people would naturally gravitate toward anti-war positions. After all something like 45% of
global pollution is caused by the militaries of the world, and the U.S. military is ten times
larger than anyone's else, and it is far more active than anyone else in that top ten
list. You would think that, and you would be wrong.
There is a tendency to think Trump is unique. Just as there had been a tendency among liberals
to think George W. Bush was unique. And not even the Christian zealotry that is present in the
Trump cabinet is unique. The United States has always draped its avaricious tendencies in the
language of devotion and prayer. Or, in Reagan's case, with the addition of astrology.
"In a ravenous fifty-five-day spasm during the summer of 1898, the United States asserted
control over five far-flung lands with a total of 11 million inhabitants: Guam, Hawaii, Cuba,
the Philippines, and Puerto Rico. Never in history has a nation leaped so suddenly to overseas
empire."
Kinzer's book is a useful guide to a seminal period in the construction of not just American
overseas colonizing, but to the cementing of a mythology of individualism and violent conquest
that is still operative. And its fitting that Teddy Roosevelt should be enshrined as a heroic
figure and among the post popular presidents. Roosevelt shares a lot of similarities with Winston
Churchill, in fact. Aristocratic backgrounds, racism, ambition, and a desire for Empire. And
Roosevelt was, like Churchill, skilled as manufacturing his own mythology and crafting his public
persona. And that persona was at its foundation one tied to war. When the Kurds rebelled
Churchill said "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes [It]
would spread a lively terror." Churchill, Roosevelt, and McCain. Uncivilized tribes, savages, and
gooks.
And all three are among the popular political figures in English speaking nations. When
various groups call for a ranking of presidents, Roosevelt is almost always in the top three or
four. Americans simply don't like even the whiff of intellectualism. Adlai Stevenson was never
going to be president. It is surprising, in a way, that McCain never made it. But when one looks
at the mythology of the U.S., it is not hard to see the through line of this exaggerated hyper
masculinity and how it is now in the ascendent again.
"The exceptionalist double standard was reinforced by racial hierarchies and intensified by
preoccupations with gender. Filipinos and Cubans, despite their desires for independence, were
alleged to be unready for self-government -- a racist argument that has survived in muted form
down to the present. Another long-standing exceptionalist theme has been the virtue of
reinvigorated masculinity in imperial discourse. These enduring preoccupations in American
foreign affairs stem at least in part from educated men's desire to vindicate their manhood in
a society suspicious of thought, from Theodore Roosevelt's Strenuous Life to John Kennedy's New
Frontier to George W. Bush's Mission Accomplished."
Jackson Lears (Review of Kinzer's The True Flag, NYRBs 2018 )
Across Europe today quasi fascist anti-immigration parties are gaining power and rising in
popularity. In Hungary, Italy, Slovenia, Switzerland, Austria, Holland, and Sweden. Even in
Denmark, where the Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen oversaw " legislation that will require
children from the age of one living in areas defined as "ghettos" by the state to be separated
from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap times. This new policy
carries echoes of, and is a small but significant step towards the discredited and inhumane
practices of tearing indigenous children away from their families, such as occurred with
Australia's "lost generations" of Aboriginals or Canada's so-called Scoop generations." (The New
Arab, July 2018).
Rasmussen is, unsurpisingly, an enthusiastic supporter of NATO and U.S. militarism. While
still the opposition leader in 2015, Rasmussen rode the wave of anti-immigration sentiment
claiming one must take a 'tough' look the realities of immigrants already in Denmark. He noted
half are on public assistance. One does sort of wonder how that is the fault of the immigrants.
But Rasmussen has also suggested increasing penalties for crimes committed within the designated
*ghetto areas* of his country. In the small city of Randers (with a relatively tiny Muslim
population) a measure was passed that pork MUST be served (not could, but must) in all public
buildings. As Fergus O'Sullivan notes, " such official drives to repress minority culture have
many European precedents. In the 1950s, efforts to assimilate Dutch Indonesians in the
Netherlands went as far as regular home visits to ensure they were eating potatoes, not rice.
Until 1973, Switzerland pursued a policy of removing children from itinerant Yenish families and
placing them in poor conditions in orphanages, mental asylums, and prisons so as to dilute their
differences from what was perceived as a mainstream Swiss identity." ( New Lab ,
2018).
Europe has a long history of protecting themselves from the threat of *savages*.
"In 1909 in Sweden, for example, the Swedish Society for Racial Hygiene was founded,
followed in 1910 by the Mendel Society, the first Swedish genetics association. Even before
World War I, leading doctors including Herman Lundborg, a prominent figure in racial biology,
saw eugenics as a means to counter the problem of immigration, and there was a widely held
opinion that the racial unity of the Swedish people was threatened. (4) Just as under the
Nazis, the welfare state in Sweden had to be protected from ''unproductive anti-socials'' and
so it became a ''eugenic welfare state of the fittest." – Sara Salem (Discover Society,
2018)
You know who were huge
supporters of eugenics ? Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt. Well, and Adolph Hitler.
It is important to recognize the shameful role that Hollywood plays in all this. The
apologetics from media and celebrities who seem indifferent to the actual history of America is
stunning. And in particular to the continued reproduction of the violent hero, the man of action
(and not thought). And, as I've noted before, it's not the issue of violence per se, for drama
has always dwelt on that, but the ideological frame in which this occurs (I mean watch the new
series Jack Ryan for an example that, clearly, CIA advisors are in the story
meetings for all networks these days). There are very few stories of early America in which the
audience is made aware that twelve presidents were slave owners. In fact the real
horror of slavery is still not told.
John Wayne, Dirty Harry, and Rambo.
"The Philippine War was as unnecessary as it is unjust -- a wanton, wicked, and abominable
war and what is the answer? "No useless parley! More soldiers! More guns! More blood! More
devastation! Kill, kill, kill! And when we have killed enough, so that further resistance is
stopped, then we shall see." Translated from smooth phrase into plain English, this is the
program. In the vocabulary of our imperialists, "order" means above all submission to their
will. Any other kind of order, be it ever so peaceful and safe, must be suppressed by a bloody
hand."
– Carl Schurz, ( The Policy of Imperialism , 1899)
As an interesting note, water boarding was the favorite technique for American marines in the
Philippines. And McKinley, then President, claimed he heard the voice of God as he paced the
halls of the White House, undecided about invasion. But then God spoke to him. And God wanted
America to go to war (and apparently to waterboard the savages).
The deeply embedded racism of America is still being denied. And its important to see the ways
in which this denial is expressed. For they relate directly to the rugged tough guy machismo of
much of white america. And not just America, for the *tough* talk is couched as *realistic* and
this is what one hears in Lars Rasmussen and Victor Orban, in Salvini and the leader of the
Swedish Democrats Jimmie Åkesson. It is what one hears from Trump and McCain, too.
The implication is that the left is weak, and worse, effeminate. Many female politicians bend
over backwards to appear 'one of the guys' (see Hillary Clinton). And the more insecure the white
male, the tougher the talk. Roosevelt was an asthmatic child who was never naturally athletic or
physically gifted.
"The first state to enact a sterilization law was Indiana in 1907, quickly followed by
California and 28 other states by 1931 (Lombardo n.d.). These laws resulted in the forced
sterilization of over 64,000 people in the United States (Lombardo n.d.). At first,
sterilization efforts focused on the disabled but later grew to include people whose only
"crime" was poverty. These sterilization programs found legal support in the Supreme Court. In
Buck v. Bell (1927), the state of Virginia sought to sterilize Carrie Buck for promiscuity as
evidenced by her giving birth to a baby out of wedlock (some suggest she was raped). In ruling
against Buck, Supreme Court Justice Wendell Holmes opined, "It is better for all the world, if
instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for
imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind
.Three generations of imbeciles is enough" (Black 2003). This decision legitimized the various
sterilization laws in the United States. In particular, California's program was so robust that
the Nazi's turned to California for advice in perfecting their own efforts. Hitler proudly
admitted to following the laws of several American states that allowed for the prevention of
reproduction of the "unfit" (Black 2003)."
– Laura Rivard (Sictable, 2014)
"In 1937, a Gallup poll in the USA found that 45 per cent of supported euthanasia for
"defective infants". A year later, in a speech at Harvard, WG Lennox argued that preserving
disabled lives placed a strain on society and urged doctors to recognize "the privilege of
death for the congenitally mindless and for the incurable sick". An article published in the
journal of the American Psychiatric Association in 1942 called for the killing of all
"retarded" children over five years old."
– Victoria Brignell, (New Statesman, 2010)
The U.S. and Europe both are seeing a return of the most virulent xenophobic bigotry
imaginable. A revanchist fascist sensibility has found a startling legitimacy in the public and
in the media. And no amount of argument seems to sway white liberals today that the FBI and CIA
and Pentagon are anything but virtuous and honourable institutions. And hating Donald Trump is
all the justification needed to allow the thinly buried racism and privilege of most white
americans to come to the surface.
None of this has ever gone away. Forced sterilizations took place as recently as 1963 in
California (the leader by a wide margin in carrying out eugenics policies) and reasons included
being an orphan, sexual indulgence (slut), alcoholism and foreignness. In fact post WW2 saw
little retreat in eugenics policy making in the U.S.
"Today in Western North Carolina, a nonprofit group offers drug addicts money to be
"voluntarily" sterilized. It is dubious whether one could honestly consider this program to be
voluntary or ethical, since many people suffering from drug addictions will do nearly anything
for money -- and that money will likely go to scoring their next fix."
– Keven Bigos ("The American Eugenics Movement After WW2," Indy Week
2011)
In the 60s and 70s forced sterilizations took place among gay and lesbian people, Cheyenne,
Sioux , and Navajo women, and poor whites in Georgia and Alabama. The Weather Underground bombed
a federal building in San Francisco to protest sterilizations in 1974. It is worth noting a few
additional details about who was financing this stuff after the war. Kevin Bigos'
award-winning article is worth a read in its entirety. But leading advocates included
"Harvard anthropologist Earnest Hooton, and California eugenicists Paul Popenoe and C.M. Goethe.
( ) Hooton had worked on the "Committee of the Negro" during the 1920s as part of an effort to
prove that the black race was inferior, and Goethe had openly praised Nazi eugenics programs."
And then there was the biggest force for Eugenics probably in U.S. history, Dr Clarence Gamble
(of Proctor & Gamble). And it should be noted that the idea of coercive sterilization was
hugely popular. It was not some crazy fringe flat earth society belief -- it found support among
the most prestigious Universities and Medical Institutions in the country.
The University of North Carolina throughout the 1950s handed out pro eugenics literature to
students. And women were largely the target and *sex delinquency* was the primary reason given
for sterilization. Criminals were also targeted. Anyone with a felony conviction was deemed unfit
to reproduce. This is the 1950s remember.
Hitler praised California for its eugenics thinking. American Exceptionalism at its
finest.
There is no way to over-emphasize the toxicity of U.S. (and European) history. There simply
isn't. But I think somehow the deeper question is how the public has returned to an adoration of
the most violent, aggressive and xenophobic figures in public life. No president is criticized
for going to war, so, given all the other encouragements for war its an easy call. They will
continue to find enemies to fear and reasons to increase defense spending. They will find poor
nations, without defense capabilities, and send in troops to save them. Just as the Philippines
were saved and civilized over a hundred years ago. And just as Africa is, again, a target for the
civilizing mission of the Christian West. Of course the extraction of natural resources is the
engine behind this. Profit is always the most powerful justification. But it is also more than
that. It is the fear out there today in the bourgeois West -- and the crushing heat waves of this
last year seem not to have even dented the belief in humanitarian intervention. Obama is
literally a figure of adoration. For liberals he is something close to a deity, in fact. His
actual record is of no interest. To bring it up is to just be a buzz-kill. Fear runs throughout
the populace. But it is far too simple to say that because it is a complex of *fears*. And it is
a strange return of core American mythology, Manifest Destiny, Indian killers, gunfighters, and
land barons. The current hit TV series Yellowstone (created and written by Taylor
Sheridan and starring Kevin Costner) is a prime example. Watching the show (and Sheridan is
actually a better than average writer) I could never quite decide if the show was tongue in cheek
or sincere. I fear the latter. Costner plays the owner of the largest ranch in the United States.
At one point a visiting Japanese (!) tourist says 'this is too much land for one man to own'.
Costner barks back 'this is america, we dont share land'.
Im still not sure if this was meant to be a desirable statement or not. But I suspect it was.
Even if only unconsciously. And there are things, believe it or not, to applaud in this show. But
the overriding love affair with power eclipses all else. America will always see conquest as
individual achievement. Power as a sign of virtue. Oh and Costner occasionally looks heavenward
and asks for God's help -- but in manly one syllable words.
White supremacism is a foundational feature of American society. One only has to examine the
statistics for mass incarceration to prove this. Blacks are incarcerated 5 times the rate of
whites, and in some states that ratio is ten times. In twelve states blacks make up more than
half the prison population. Latinos are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of whites. White
supremacism and american exceptionalism. And that belief in an innate superiority is core
America.
And as cultural globalism increases, with all its inequalities, the white west is increasingly
frightened. And it is psychically circling the wagons. The nauseating outpouring of ersatz grief
for McCain has, as I say, not much to do with McCain. It has everything to do with revalidating
white virtue, and white superiority. The token superficiality of multiculturalism in arts and
entertainment is only another symptom. Praising identity based garbage is really just white
parternalism applied to aesthetics. But its not just dark skinned people, not just inner city
black kids or Muslims or the Chinese; it is the poor, too. The "othering" of almost everyone not
white, or not prosperous and western, is in overdrive. And the constant demonizing and slurs
against Communists never slows down. It happens on the flaccid quasi left, too. It is just white
fear. And it is radioactive. The terrified bourgeoisie of the West are in meltdown. Everywhere I
go ..even to places I love such as Copenhagen or Gothenburg I sense an uptick in martial vibes.
Especially among younger men. No jobs, no pride, no place for courage or honour. There is only
the numbing monotony of iPads or smart phones or social media. And a debilitating projection of
this fear onto immigrants and foreigners in general. In the U.S. it is worse. For in the U.S. the
cultural realm has never been so denuded and dead. It is the province of the bureaucratic
technicians of banality and the trivial. And it is now a country of all encompassing anger.
That McCain was given (or gave himself, who knows) the moniker "maverick" says it all. Its a
nostalgia for a counterfeit past. For an invented history wiped clean of atrocity. And it
provides ever less even momentary relief from the dire future everyone knows is coming.
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Today's latest offering is that the 'Russians' in the 'mugshots' released last week are
'already dead' having been 'executed by Putin' to stop them talking, forever. Which neatly
avoids the British state asking Russia for help in identifying them. London's failure to do
so was already arousing suspicion amongst a cynical public. There is now no point, the
would-be assassins are now six-feet below the permafrost of Anglo-Russian relations.
The media here have completely ignored the statement of the head of the anti-terrorist
squad of Scotland Yard that he had "No" evidence of Russian state involvement in the crime
in Salisbury, preferring instead the cheap barroom brawling of the British prime minister
on the floor of the House of Commons cheered on by the vulgar popular press and their more
refined elder sisters in the upmarket papers and on the BBC.
FSB arrests ISIS member 'who planned murder of a Donbass leader on behalf of
Ukraine'
The Russian security service, the FSB, says it has arrested an Islamic State operative
who was planning to murder one of the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's
Republic (DNR) on behalf of the Ukrainian authorities.
The suspected terrorist was identified as Mejid Magomedov, who was born in 1988 in Russia's
southern Dagestan republic. He was arrested on Sunday in Russia's Smolensk region in the
west of the country.
https://www.rt.com/news/438028-fsb-isis-member-ukraine/
Explosive Skripal allegations may blow up in Syria - George Galloway
Today's latest offering is that the 'Russians' in the 'mugshots' released last week are
'already dead' having been 'executed by Putin' to stop them talking, forever. Which neatly
avoids the British state asking Russia for help in identifying them. London's failure to do
so was already arousing suspicion amongst a cynical public. There is now no point, the
would-be assassins are now six-feet below the permafrost of Anglo-Russian relations.
The media here have completely ignored the statement of the head of the anti-terrorist
squad of Scotland Yard that he had "No" evidence of Russian state involvement in the crime
in Salisbury, preferring instead the cheap barroom brawling of the British prime minister
on the floor of the House of Commons cheered on by the vulgar popular press and their more
refined elder sisters in the upmarket papers and on the BBC.
"the statement of the head of the anti-terrorist squad of Scotland Yard that he
had "No" evidence of Russian state involvement in the crime in Salisbury "
Yes. The UK government has lost its marbles in the pursuit of power & money. They
suffer the same disease as their Israeli and US counterparts -- the loss of the life-saving
integrity and intelligence and the triumph of the life-threatening stupidity.
The western governments have become incompetent due to the lack of the populace' supervision.
For any living organism, no feedback means no protective actions ensuring the survival of the
organism.
The Cheneys and Bibis and Blairs of the world are not intelligent enough even to envision the
future for their immediate progeny, nevermind grandkids. These stupid elders are covered in
the blood of the innocent.
Nimrata Randhawa alias Niki Haley says she has intelligence that Putin and Assad were seen in
wal mart with a shopping cart full of Clorox bleach which indicates a chemical attack for
sure. she also said when the US bombed Syria because of the last chemical attack Putins
passport was found in the rubble
"... But ultimately, the tide can turn. The lies take so much energy to maintain; the chutzpah not enlivening but demeaning; the maintenance of the lies so desperately necessary. ..."
"... 9/11 thus presents an ongoing 'Achilles heel', a potentially terminal 'Pyrrhic victory' for the vile scum that pulled off 9/11. The scum's rise to the top enhances its visibility and vulnerability. ..."
Those who planned and caused to happen 9/11 clearly were not American patriots. The attack
was physically and psychically and politically against the people of the United States,
including the American military.
A large number of key perpetrators and participants were citizens of Israel, or had
primary loyalty to Israel.
Neither the FBI nor the CIA nor military intelligence prevented the attack, and after the
attack, these agencies did not pursue the guilty. They betrayed their country.
The former 'traditional' US mass media has either almost entirely participated in the
cover-up, or refused to tell the truth. They have betrayed their country.
The political system of the United States has remained mute or supported the cover-up.
They have betrayed their country.
Other countries have largely remained silently complicit or supported the cover-up. As a
direct result of 9/11, Iraq and Libya have suffered terrible destruction and loss of life via
wars of aggression, Syria has suffered great harm, and Afghanistan has been attacked and
occupied with large loss of life.
9/11 then is a kind of litmus test for vast social pathology and dysfunction: that so many
people would fall so easily for the bs; that so few people in positions of influence and
power would have sufficient backbone and integrity to speak truth.
But ultimately, the tide can turn. The lies take so much energy to maintain; the
chutzpah not enlivening but demeaning; the maintenance of the lies so desperately
necessary.
9/11 thus presents an ongoing 'Achilles heel', a potentially terminal 'Pyrrhic
victory' for the vile scum that pulled off 9/11. The scum's rise to the top enhances its
visibility and vulnerability.
@Patricus The
plotters moved explosive charges into he three buildings and there had to be thousands of
these weighing a great amount. It was then necessary to install the explosive equipment. No
one ever noticed?
Does anyone question that the aircraft actually struck the buildings?
The conspirators had to precisely coordinate the controlled explosions with the moment the
jets hit the buildings. Why didn't they just demolish the buildings with explosives then take
credit as some Islamic terror group? Why make a plot so complicated? This requires close
cooperation between Muslim terrorists and Israelis who are not often best friends.
If Israel engineered all this to get Americans active in the Middle East could anyone call
the end results a success? I can't see how Israel's position has improved. The security of
the towers was done by a firm owned by a brother of Bush jr.
No problem in installing the explosives.
Precisely coordinate, any terrorist explodes a bom with a mobile phone.
You really think that those who perpetrated Sept 11 were unable to begin a series of
explosions, resembling destruction by gravity ?
Alas, they miscalculated.
It went too fast.
The planes, far more propaganda effect than just demolition.
Israel's position not improved ?
Is not Saddam out of the way, and is not Iraq destroyed ?
Not saying that it wasn't a false flag, not saying who did or didn't do it, just saying
what I see. The South tower destruction goes from impact to bottom, from top to impact isn't
visible due to dust and smoke. The North tower destruction goes from impact to top and from
impact to bottom, at least that's what I see in the videos. As I wrote in another comment,
that's one heck of an engineering feat if it was planned that way. The WTC 7 seems to fall on
its bottom, which, at the difference of the fall of the twin towers, is consistent with all
the videos of controlled demolition that can be found around the web. Then, I think the
collapse of the twin towers represent enormous mass falling at high speed to the ground, and
I tend to think that such mass is not unlikely to shake the ground on which it falls and send
a shock wave that can in turn shake the foundations of buildings in the vicinity, for
instance WTC 7. In fact, I don't know and neither do truthers. They assume parametres for
their calculations that they can't be sure of.
Then again, even if the assumptions about 'how' are false, it doesn't mean that assumptions
about 'who' are too, and vice-versa. The thing is only those who did it know and we hardly
ever will.
The point is that whoever however did it, the war against Iraq was a crime against peace as
the very same Americans co-defined it in the Nuremberg Statute. "the war against Iraq was a
crime against peace"
@Patricus The
plotters moved explosive charges into he three buildings and there had to be thousands of
these weighing a great amount. It was then necessary to install the explosive equipment. No
one ever noticed?
Does anyone question that the aircraft actually struck the buildings?
The conspirators had to precisely coordinate the controlled explosions with the moment the
jets hit the buildings. Why didn't they just demolish the buildings with explosives then take
credit as some Islamic terror group? Why make a plot so complicated? This requires close
cooperation between Muslim terrorists and Israelis who are not often best friends.
If Israel engineered all this to get Americans active in the Middle East could anyone call
the end results a success? I can't see how Israel's position has improved.
I can't see how Israel's position has improved.
The opium poppies are growing again. Iraq is destroyed. Libya was disarmed and destroyed.
Syria has been neutralized for the past few years and is still struggling to recover from the
US/Saudi/Israeli supported ISIS. The Palestinians and Iran are both targets of American
conservatards. Welfare payments to Israel have been increased and a tripwire consisting of a
handful of American troops has been placed in Israel.
"... Haley went on to say that Iran and Russia are "cowards interested in a bloody military conquest" and that the US continues to intend to respond militarily if any chemical weapons are used. ..."
"... Haley was unclear what the "dire consequences" would actually be. Russian Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia reiterated that there was no reason to think Syria would use chemical weapons in Idlib, and said the presence of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups in Idlib obliges Syria to move against them. ..."
Idlib is the last major rebel-held territory in Syria, and taking it is seen by Syria and
its allies as effectively ending the Syrian War. The US has insisted they oppose any moves
into Idlib.
Haley went on to say that Iran and Russia are "cowards interested in a bloody military
conquest" and that the US continues to intend to respond militarily if any chemical weapons
are used. President Trump has also suggested that a military response could happen if he
believes the offensive is a "slaughter."
Haley was unclear what the "dire consequences" would actually be. Russian Ambassador
Vassily Nebenzia reiterated that there was no reason to think Syria would use chemical
weapons in Idlib, and said the presence of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups in Idlib
obliges Syria to move against them.
In a
September 10 speech to the Federalist Society, National Security Advisor John Bolton offered "a major announcement on US policy
toward the International Criminal Court." The US government, per Bolton, considers the court "fundamentally illegitimate. We will
not cooperate with the ICC. We will provide no assistance to the ICC. We will not join the ICC."
Bolton threatened sanctions against the court and those who resort to it or cooperate with it in investigations of war crimes
involving the United States or Israel. He also announced the first such sanction, closure of a Palestine Liberation Organization
office in Washington in retaliation for the state of Palestine's referral of charges against Israel for actions in the West Bank
and Gaza.
What's with this sudden interest in the court and its jurisdiction?
Why is Bolton suddenly so concerned with protecting notions of "sovereignty" (he uses the word nine times) that the US government
itself routinely ignores at its convenience, claiming global jurisdiction over individuals and organizations outside its own borders
in matters ranging from the 17-year "war on terror" to its financial regulation and sanctions schemes?
The answer, in a word: Afghanistan. The regime installed by the US after its 2001 invasion of that country, and maintained in
power by the US since then, ratified the Rome Statute in 2003. Crimes committed in Afghanistan since then, regardless of the perpetrators'
nationalities, therefore fall under the ICC's jurisdiction.
Bolton finds it unconscionable that an American – in particular an American soldier, sailor, airman, Marine, or politician – accused
of crimes committed in Afghanistan might be tried in a court Afghanistan's government has duly accepted the authority of. So much
for "sovereignty."
Bolton wants it both ways. On one hand, the long arm of US law must reach everywhere, be it to a bank in Switzerland, to a hacker's
keyboard in the United Kingdom, or to a battlefield in the Middle East. On the other hand, no foreign arm of law must ever reach
a US citizen, regardless of the alleged crime or where it was committed.
Pretty messed up, but there's a simple solution. All the US government has to do is close its embassies and consulates in, withdraw
its troops from, and advise its citizens not to travel to, any of the 120-odd countries which recognize the International Criminal
Court as their judicial authority for war crimes, genocide, and crimes against humanity.
Starting with Afghanistan.
Problem solved.
Thomas L. Knapp is director and senior news analyst at the William
Lloyd Garrison Center for Libertarian Advocacy Journalism. He lives and works in north central Florida. This article is reprinted
with permission from William Lloyd Garrison Center for Libertarian Advocacy Journalism.
The United States, which has trained and armed some of the trapped gunmen and even as
recently as a year ago described the province as "al-Qaeda's largest safe haven since
9/11
Since we've been told a gazillion times al Qaeda did 9/11 and now, the Pentagon is using
it's resources to fund, equip, train and protect al Qaeda and their CIA-created spin-off
groups, the White House needs to answer this question:
Since the US is now supporting the terrorist outfit we've been told did 9/11, that means
that either al Qaeda didn't do 9/11 and we've been lied to ever since or the USG is now
officially a terrorist regime, since we support–in endless ways–the group that you
said attacked the US on 9/11, al Qaeda.
They can only choose one answer.
Did Ynet make a mistake and accidentally release the pre-written PR too early?
BREAKING NEWS
Report: Chlorine gas attacks in Idlib
Ynet|Published: 09.10.18 , 10:36
Syrian president Bashar Assad used chlorine gas in his attacks on the rebels last
stronghold in Idlib, reported an American source to the Wall Street Journal.
It has further been reported that US president Donald Trump threatened "a massive attack"
against Assad's regime if he commits a massacre in Idlib.
The United States, which has trained and armed some of the trapped gunmen and even as
recently as a year ago described the province as "al-Qaeda's largest safe haven since
9/11
Since we've been told a gazillion times al Qaeda did 9/11 and now, the Pentagon
is using it's resources to fund, equip, train and protect al Qaeda and their CIA-created
spin-off groups, the White House needs to answer this question:
Since the US is now supporting the terrorist outfit we've been told did 9/11, that
means that either al Qaeda didn't do 9/11 and we've been lied to ever since or the USG is now
officially a terrorist regime, since we support--in endless ways--the group that you said
attacked the US on 9/11, al Qaeda.
They can only choose one answer.
Did Ynet make a mistake and accidentally release the pre-written PR too early?
BREAKING NEWS
Report: Chlorine gas attacks in Idlib
Ynet|Published: 09.10.18 , 10:36
Syrian president Bashar Assad used chlorine gas in his attacks on the rebels last
stronghold in Idlib, reported an American source to the Wall Street Journal.
It has further been reported that US president Donald Trump threatened "a massive
attack" against Assad's regime if he commits a massacre in Idlib.
"Since the US is now supporting the terrorist outfit we've been told did 9/11,
that means that either al Qaeda didn't do 9/11 and we've been lied to ever since or
the US Government is now officially a terrorist regime, since we support the group that you
said attacked the US on 9/11, al Qaeda."
-- This is an excellent Q for the ADL, AIPAC, White House, State Department, satanic Pompeo,
"patriotic" Cheney (the greatest traitor to the USA citizenry), and the richly decorated US
brass serving the Jewish Power, financiers, and mega war-profiteers.
1. "The only way for Syria and Iran and Russia to defend Syria is to clearly tell
Washington, London, Paris (the main ZOGs) and Israel that attacks on Syria will be responded
to by attacks on Israeli military and intel sites. The introduction of any nuclear device of
any size will result in a full-scale nuclear response.
That is the only play otherwise Syria simply bleeds to death as t he Jews get their
puppets to keep fomenting terror and dropping bombs on SAA efforts to fight those
terrorists . We come to the moment when Russia either defends Syria by hitting Israel or
it decides to accept the Long Death of Anglo-Zionist megalomania."
2. "I really do wish Russia would just instantly bomb Israel. That would be the best way
to separate us from that satanic rope around our necks."
3. "I call everyone in the military to disobey orders for attacking anything in Syria
except Isis. Need to spread this on social media. Don't be mercenaries of Israel
."
-- Your "most victimized" have squandered all and any sympathy for your "incomparable
sufferings" by promoting the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East. The Jewish State and its
subordinate zionized US have become the gravest danger to humanity.
Over the next few days, as the government and the media accused Osama bin Laden and 19 Arabs
of being responsible for the attacks, I told a friend that what I was hearing wasn't
believable; the official story was full of holes. I am a born and bred New Yorker with a long
family history rooted in the NYC Fire and Police Departments, one grandfather having been the
Deputy Chief of the Fire Department, the highest ranking uniformed firefighter, and the other a
NYPD cop; a niece and her husband were NYPD detectives deeply involved in the response to that
day's attacks. Hearing the absurd official explanations and the deaths of so many innocent
people, including many hundreds of firefighters, cops, and emergency workers, I felt a
suspicious rage. It was a reaction that I couldn't fully explain, but it set me on a search for
the truth. I proceeded in fits and starts, but by the fall of 2004, with the help of the
extraordinary work of David Ray Griffin, Michael Ruppert, and other early skeptics, I could
articulate the reasons for my initial intuition. I set about creating and teaching a college
course on what had come to be called 9/11.
But I no longer refer to the events of that day by those numbers. Let me explain why.
By 2004 I had enough solid evidence to convince me that the U.S. government's claims (and
The 9/11 Commission Report ) were fictitious. They seemed so blatantly false that I
concluded the attacks were a deep-state intelligence operation whose purpose was to initiate a
national state of emergency to justify wars of aggression, known euphemistically as "the war on
terror." The sophistication of the attacks, and the lack of any proffered evidence for the
government's claims, suggested that a great deal of planning had been involved.
Yet I was chagrined and amazed by so many people's insouciant lack of interest in
questioning and researching the most important world event since the assassination of President
Kennedy. I understood the various psychological dimensions of this denial, the fear, cognitive
dissonance, etc., but I sensed something else as well. For so many people their minds seemed to
have been "made up" from the start. I found that many young people were the exceptions, while
most of their elders dared not question the official narrative. These included many prominent
leftist critics of American foreign policy, such as Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Alexander
Cockburn, and others, whose defenses of the official government and media explanations (when
they even made such defenses; often they just trashed skeptics as "9/11 conspiracy nuts," to
quote Cockburn) totally lacked any scientific or logical rigor or even knowledge of the facts.
Now that seventeen years have elapsed, this seems truer than ever. There is a long list of
leftists who refuse to examine matter to this very day. And most interestingly, they also do
the same with the assassination of JFK, the other key seminal event of recent American
history.
I kept thinking of the ongoing language and logic used to describe what had happened that
terrible day in 2001 and in the weeks to follow. It all seemed so clichéd and surreal,
as if set phrases had it been extracted from some secret manual, phrases that rung with an
historical resonance that cast a spell on the public, as if mass hypnosis were involved. People
seemed mesmerized as they spoke of the events in the official language that had been presented
to them.
So with the promptings of people like Graeme MacQueen, Lance deHaven-Smith, T.H. Meyer, et
al., and much study and research, I have concluded that my initial intuitive skepticism was
correct and that a process of linguistic mind-control was in place before, during, and after
the attacks. As with all good propaganda, the language had to be insinuated over time and
introduced through intermediaries. It had to seem "natural" and to flow out of events, not to
precede them. And it had to be repeated over and over again.
In summary form, I will list the language I believe "made up the minds" of those who have
refused to examine the government's claims about the September 11 attacks and the subsequent
anthrax attacks.
Pearl Harbor . As pointed out by David Ray Griffin and others, this
term was used in September 2000 in The Project for the New American Century's (PNAC) report,
"Rebuilding America's Defenses" (p.51). Its neo-con authors argued that the U.S. wouldn't be
able to attack Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. "absent some catastrophic event – like a
new Pearl Harbor." Then on January 11, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's "Space
Commission" warned that the U.S. could face a "space Pearl Harbor" if it weren't careful and
didn't increase space security. Rumsfeld urged support for the proposed U.S. national missile
defense system opposed by Russia and China and massive funding for the increased weaponization
of space. At the same time he went around handing out and recommending Pearl Harbor: Warning
and Decision (1962) by Roberta Wohlstetter, who had spent almost two decades working for
The Rand Corporation and who claimed that Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack that shocked U.S.
leaders. Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor – those words and images dominated
public consciousness for many months before 11 September 2001, and of course after. The film
Pearl Harbor , made with Pentagon assistance and a massive budget, was released on May
25, 2001 and was a box office hit. It was in the theatres throughout the summer. The thought of
the attack on Pearl Harbor (not a surprise to the U.S. government, but presented as such) was
in the news all summer despite the fact that the 60 th anniversary of that attack
was not until December 7, 2001, a more likely release date. So why was it released so early?
Once the September 11 attacks occurred, the Pearl Harbor analogy was "plucked out" of the
social atmosphere and used constantly, beginning immediately. Another "Day of Infamy," another
surprise attack blared the media and government officials. A New Pearl Harbor! George W. Bush
was widely reported to have had the time that night, after a busy day of flying hither and yon
to avoid the terrorists who for some reason had forgotten he was in a classroom in Florida, to
allegedly use it in his diary, writing that "the Pearl Harbor of the twenty-first century took
place today. We think it is Osama bin Laden." Shortly after the 50 th anniversary of
Pearl Harbor on December 7 th , Bush then formerly announced, referencing the
attacks of September 11, that the U. S. would withdraw from the ABM Treaty. The examples of
this Pearl Harbor/ September 11 analogy are manifold, but I am summarizing, so I will skip
giving them. Any casual researcher can confirm this. Homeland . This strange un-American
term, another WW II word associated with another enemy – Nazi Germany – was also
used many times by the neo-con authors of "Rebuilding America's Defenses." I doubt any average
American referred to this country by that term before. Of course it became the moniker for The
Department of Homeland Security, marrying home with security to form a comforting name that
simultaneously and unconsciously suggests a defense against Hitler-like evil coming from the
outside. Not coincidentally, Hitler introduced it into the Nazi propaganda vernacular at the
1934 Nuremberg rally. Both usages conjured up images of a home besieged by alien forces intent
on its destruction; thus preemptive action was in order. Now the Department of Homeland
Security with its massive budget is lodged permanently in popular consciousness. Ground
Zero . This is a third WWII ("the Good War") term first used at 11:55 A.M. on September 11
by Mark Walsh (aka "the Harley Guy" because he was wearing a Harley-Davidson tee shirt) in an
interview on the street by a Fox News reporter, Rick Leventhal. Identified as a Fox
free-lancer, Walsh also explained the Twin Towers collapse in a precise, well-rehearsed manner
that would be the same illogical and anti-scientific explanation later given by the government:
"mostly due to structural failure because the fire was too intense." Ground zero – a
nuclear bomb term first used by U.S. scientists to refer to the spot where they exploded the
first nuclear bomb in New Mexico in 1945 – became another meme adopted by the media that
suggested a nuclear attack had occurred or might in the future if the U.S. didn't act. The
nuclear scare was raised again and again by George W. Bush and U.S. officials in the days and
months following the attacks, although nuclear weapons were beside the point in terms of the 11
September attacks, but surely not as a scare tactic and as part of the plan to withdraw from
the ABM treaty that would be announced in December. But the conjoining of "nuclear" with
"ground zero" served to raise the fear factor dramatically. Ironically, the project to develop
the nuclear bomb was called the Manhattan Project and was headquartered at 270 Broadway, NYC, a
few short blocks north of the World Trade Center. The Unthinkable . This is another
nuclear term whose usage as linguistic mind control and propaganda is brilliantly analyzed by
Graeme MacQueen in the penultimate chapter of his very important book, The 2001Anthrax Deception . He notes the patterned use of this term before
and after September 11, while saying "the pattern may not signify a grand plan . It deserves
investigation and contemplation." He then presents a convincing case that the use of this term
couldn't be accidental. He notes how George W. Bush, in a major foreign policy speech on May 1,
2001, "gave informal public notice that the United States intended to withdraw unilaterally
from the ABM Treaty"; Bush said the U.S. must be willing to "rethink the unthinkable." This was
necessary because of terrorism and rogue states with "weapons of mass destruction." PNAC also
argued that the U.S. should withdraw from the treaty. A signatory to the treaty could only
withdraw after giving six months notice and because of "extraordinary events" that "jeopardized
its supreme interests." Once the September 11 attacks occurred, Bush rethought the unthinkable
and officially gave formal notice on December 13 to withdraw the U.S. from the ABM Treaty, as
previously noted. MacQueen specifies the many times different media used the term "unthinkable"
in October 2001 in reference to the anthrax attacks. He explicates its usage in one of the
anthrax letters – "The Unthinkabel" [sic]. He explains how the media that used the term
so often were at the time unaware of its usage in the anthrax letter since that letter's
content had not yet been revealed, and how the letter writer had mailed the letter before the
media started using the word. He makes a rock solid case showing the U.S. government's
complicity in the anthrax attacks and therefore in the Sept 11 attacks. While calling the use
of the term "unthinkable" in all its iterations "problematic," he writes, "The truth is that
the employment of 'the unthinkable' in this letter, when weight is given both to the meaning of
this term in U.S. strategic circles and to the other relevant uses of the term in 2001, points
us in the direction of the U.S. military and intelligence communities." I am reminded of
Orwell's point in 1984: "a heretical thought – that is, a thought diverging from
the principles of Ingsoc – should be literally unthinkable, at least as far as thought is
dependent on words." Thus the government and media's use of "unthinkable" becomes a classic
case of "doublethink." The unthinkable is unthinkable. 9/11 . This is the key usage that
has reverberated down the years around which the others revolve. It is an anomalous numerical
designation applied to an historical event, and obviously also the emergency telephone number.
Try to think of another numerical appellation for an important event in American history. It's
impossible. But if you have a good historical sense, you will remember that the cornerstone for
the Pentagon was lain on September 11, 1941, three months before the attack on Pearl Harbor,
and that the CIA engineered a coup against the Allende government in Chile on Sept 11, 1973.
Just strange coincidences? The future editor of The New York Times and Iraq war
promoter, Bill Keller, introduced the emergency phone connection on the morning of September
12th in a NY Times op-ed piece, "America's Emergency Line: 911." The linkage of the
attacks to a permanent national emergency was thus subliminally introduced, as Keller mentioned
Israel nine times and seven times compared the U.S. situation to that of Israel as a target for
terrorists. His first sentence reads: "An Israeli response to America's aptly dated wake-up
call might well be, 'Now you know.'" By referring to September 11 as 9/11, an endless national
emergency fear became wedded to an endless war on terror aimed at preventing Hitler-like
terrorists from obliterating us with nuclear weapons that could create another ground zero or
holocaust. Mentioning Israel ("America is proud to be Israel's closest ally and best friend in
the world," George W. Bush would tell the Israeli Knesset) so many times, Keller was not very
subtly performing an act of legerdemain with multiple meanings. By comparing the victims of the
11 September attacks to Israeli "victims," he was implying, among other things, that the
Israelis are innocent victims who are not involved in terrorism, but are terrorized by
Palestinians, as Americans are terrorized by fanatical Muslims. Palestinians/Al-Qaeda.
Israel/U.S. Explicit and implicit parallels of the guilty and the innocent. Keller tells us who
the real killers are. His use of the term 9/11 is a term that pushes all the right buttons,
evoking unending social fear and anxiety. It is language as sorcery. It is propaganda at its
best. Even well-respected critics of the U.S. government's explanation use the term that has
become a fixture of public consciousness through endless repetition. As George W. Bush would
later put it, as he connected Saddam Hussein to "9/11" and pushed for the Iraq war, "We don't
want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." All the ingredients for a linguistic mind-control
smoothie had been blended.
I have concluded – and this is impossible to prove definitively because of the nature
of such propagandistic techniques – that the use of all these words/numbers is part of a
highly sophisticated linguistic mind-control campaign waged to create a narrative that has
lodged in the minds of hundreds of millions of people and is very hard to dislodge.
It is why I don't speak of "9/11" any more. I refer to those events as the attacks of
September 11, 2001, which is a mouth-full and not easily digested in the age of Twitter and
texting. But I am not sure how to be more succinct or how to undo the damage, except by writing
what I have written here.
The rapidity with which the new language of the war on terror appeared and took hold; the
synergy between terms and their mutual connections to WW II nomenclatures; and above all the
connections between many terms and the emergency motif of "9/11" and "9-1-1" – any one of
these factors alone, but certainly all of them together – raise the possibility that work
on this linguistic construct began long before 9/11 .It turns out that elite political crime,
even treason, may actually be official policy.
Needless to say, his use of the words "possibility" and "may" are in order when one sticks
to strict empiricism. However, when one reads his full text, it is apparent to me that he
considers these "coincidences" part of a conspiracy. I have also reached that conclusion. As
Thoreau put in his underappreciated humorous way, "Some circumstantial evidence is very strong,
as when you find a trout in the milk."
The evidence for linguistic mind control, while the subject of this essay, does not stand
alone, of course. It underpins the actual attacks of September 11 and the subsequent anthrax
attacks that are linked. The official explanations for these events by themselves do not stand
up to elementary logic and are patently false, as proven by thousands of well-respected
professional researchers from all walks of life – i.e. engineers, pilots, scientists,
architects, and scholars from many disciplines (see the upcoming 9/11 Unmasked: An
International Review Panel Investigation by David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth, to
be released September 11, 2018). To paraphrase the prescient Vince Salandria, who said it long
ago concerning the government's assassination of President Kennedy, the attacks of 2001 are "a
false mystery concealing state crimes." If one objectively studies the 2001 attacks together
with the language adopted to explain and preserve them in social memory, the "mystery" emerges
from the realm of the unthinkable and becomes utterable. "There is no mystery." The truth
becomes obvious.
How to communicate this when the corporate mainstream media serve the function of the
government's mockingbird (as in Operation Mockingbird), repeating and repeating and repeating
the same narrative in the same language; that is the difficult task we are faced with, but
there are signs today that breakthroughs are occurring, as growing numbers of international
academic scholars are pushing to incorporate the analysis of the official propaganda
surrounding 11 September 2001 into their work within the academy, a turnabout from years of
general silence. And more and more people are coming to realize that the official lies about 11
September are the biggest example of fake news in this century. Fake news used to justify
endless wars and the slaughter of so many innocents around the world.
Words have a power to enchant and mesmerize. Linguistic mind-control, especially when linked
to traumatic events such as the September 11 and the anthrax attacks, can strike people dumb
and blind. It often makes some subjects "unthinkable" and "unspeakable" (to quote Jim Douglass
quoting Thomas Merton in JFK and the Unspeakable : the unspeakable "is the void that
contradicts everything that is spoken even before the words are said.").
We need a new vocabulary to speak of these terrible things. Let us learn, as Chief Joseph
said, to speak with a straight tongue, and in language that doesn't do the enemies work of mind
control, but snaps the world awake to the truth of the mass murders of September 11, 2001 that
have been used to massacre millions across the world.
Edward Curtin is a writer whose work has appeared widely. He teaches sociology at
Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts. His website ishttp://edwardcurtin.com/
One problem with this hypothesis is that too many people were involved... And in any case the
real conspiracy should reside in Washington and have support of CIA and FBI.
The idea of covering planned demolition with fake terrorist attack is more plausible...
Notable quotes:
"... This "Mossad job" thesis has been gaining ground since Alan Sabrosky, a professor at the U.S. Army War College and the U.S. Military Academy, published in July 2012 an article entitled "Demystifying 9/11: Israel and the Tactics of Mistake" , where he voiced his conviction that September 11 th was "a classic Mossad-orchestrated operation." ..."
"... ...Indeed suspicion of Israel's role should be natural to anyone aware of the reputation of the Mossad as: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act," in the words of a report of the U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies quoted by the Washington Times , September 10 th , 2001 -- the day before the attacks. ..."
This "Mossad job" thesis has been gaining ground since Alan Sabrosky, a professor at the
U.S. Army War College and the U.S. Military Academy, published in July 2012 an
article entitled "Demystifying 9/11: Israel and the Tactics of Mistake" , where he voiced
his conviction that September 11 th was "a classic Mossad-orchestrated
operation."
...Indeed suspicion of Israel's role should be natural to anyone aware of the reputation of
the Mossad as: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make
it look like a Palestinian/Arab act," in the words of a report of the U.S. Army School for
Advanced Military Studies quoted by the
Washington Times , September 10 th , 2001 -- the day before the
attacks.
Researchers who believe Israel orchestrated 9/11 cite the behavior of a group of individuals
who have come to be known as the "dancing Israelis" since their arrest, though their aim was to
pass as "dancing Arabs." Dressed in ostensibly "Middle Eastern" attire, they were seen by
various witnesses standing on the roof of a van parked in Jersey City, cheering and taking
photos of each other with the WTC in the background, at the very moment the first plane hit the
North Tower. The suspects then moved their van to another parking spot in Jersey City, where
other witnesses saw them deliver the same ostentatious celebrations.
One anonymous call to the police in Jersey City, reported the same day by NBC News,
mentioned "a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there. They look like Palestinians and going around a
building. [ ] I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh
uniforms. [ ] He's dressed like an Arab." The police soon issued the following BOLO alert
(be-on-the-look-out) for a "Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000
Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at
Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade
Center. Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent
explosion."
By chance, the van was intercepted around 4 pm, with five young men inside: Sivan and Paul
Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner, and Omer Marmari. Before any question was asked, the
driver, Sivan Kurzberg, burst out: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are
our problems. The Palestinians are your problem".The Kurzberg brothers were formally identified
as Mossad agents. All five officially worked for a moving company (a classic cover for
espionage) named Urban Moving Systems, whose owner, Dominik Otto Suter, fled the country for
Tel Aviv on September 14. [4] Christopher Bollyn,
Solving 9-11: The Deception That Changed the World, C. Bollyn, 2012, pp.
278–280.
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This event was first reported the day after the attacks by journalist Paulo Lima in the New Jersey
newspaper The Bergen Record , based on "sources close to the investigation" who were
convinced of the suspects' foreknowledge of the morning's attacks: "It looked like they knew
what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park".The 579-page FBI report on the investigation
that followed (partially declassified in 2005) reveals several important facts. First, once
developed, the photos taken by the suspects while watching the North Tower on fire confirm
their attitudes of celebration: "They smiled, they hugged each other and they appeared to 'high
five' one another". To explain their contentment, the suspects said they were simply happy
that, thanks to these terrorist attacks, "the United States will take steps to stop terrorism
in the world". Yet at this point, before the second tower was hit, most Americans believed the
crash was an accident. The five Israelis were found connected to another company called Classic
International Movers, which employed five other Israelis arrested for their contacts with the
nineteen presumed suicide hijackers. In addition, one of the five suspects had called "an
individual in South America with authentic ties to Islamic militants in the middle east".
Finally, the FBI report states that the "The vehicle was also searched by a trained
bomb-sniffing dog which yielded a positive result for the presence of explosive traces".
After all this incriminating evidence comes the most puzzling passage of the report: its
conclusion that "the FBI no longer has any investigative interests in the detainees and they
should proceed with the appropriate immigration proceedings". In fact, a letter addressed to
the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, dated September 25, 2001, proves that, less
than two weeks after the events, the FBI federal headquarter had already decided to close the
investigation, asking that "The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service should proceed with
the appropriate immigration proceedings". The five "dancing Israelis", also known as "the high
fivers" , were detained 71 days in a Brooklyn prison, where they first refused, then
failed, lie detector tests. Finally, they were quietly returned to Israel under the minimal
charge of "visa violation." Three of them were then invited on an Israeli TV talk show in
November 2001, where one of them ingenuously declared: "Our purpose was simply to
document the event."
... ... ...
On March 14 th , 2002, an article in French newspaper Le Monde signed by
Sylvain Cypel also referred to the report, shortly before the French magazine Intelligence
Online made it fully accessible on the Internet .
[5] It
is quoted here from Bollyn's book and from Justin Raimondo, The Terror Enigma: 9/11 and the
Israeli Connection , iUniverse, 2003. It said that 140 Israeli spies, aged between 20
and 30, had been arrested since March 2001, while 60 more were arrested after September 11.
Generally posing as art students, they visited at least "36 sensitive sites of the Department
of Defense." "A majority of those questioned have stated they served in military intelligence,
electronic signal intercept, or explosive ordnance units. Some have been linked to high-ranking
officials in the Israeli military. One was the son of a two-star general, one served as the
bodyguard to the head of the Israeli Army, one served in a Patriot mission unit." Another, Peer
Segalovitz, officer in the 605 Battalion of the Golan Heights, "acknowledged he could blow up
buildings, bridges, cars, and anything else that he needed to." [6] Christopher Bollyn,
Solving 9-11: The Deception That Changed the World, C. Bollyn, 2012, p. 159.
Of special interest is the mention that "the Hollywood, Florida, area seems to be a central
point for these individuals." [7] Justin Raimondo, The
Terror Enigma: 9/11 and the Israeli Connection , iUniverse, 2003, p. 3. More than 30
out of the 140 fake Israeli students identified before 9/11 lived in that city of 140,000
inhabitants. And this city also happens to be the place where fifteen of the nineteen alleged
9/11 Islamist hijackers had regrouped (nine in Hollywood, six in the vicinity), including four
of the five supposed to have hijacked Flight AA11. What was the relationship between the
Israeli spies and the Islamist terrorists? We were told by mainstream news that the former were
monitoring the latter, but failed to report suspicious activities of these terrorists to
American authorities. From such a presentation, Israel comes out clean, since a spy agency
cannot be blamed for not sharing information with the country it is spying in. At worst, the
Israeli Intelligence can be accused of "letting it happen" -- a guarantee of impunity. In
reality, the Israeli agents were certainly not just monitoring the future "hijackers," but
financing and manipulating them, before disposing of them. We know that Israeli Hanan Serfaty,
who rented two flats near Mohamed Atta, had handled at least $100,000 in three months. And we
also learned from the New York Times on
February 19, 2009 , that Ali al-Jarrah, cousin of the alleged hijacker of Flight UA93 Ziad
al-Jarrah, had spent twenty-five years spying for the Mossad as an undercover agent
infiltrating the Palestinian resistance and Hezbollah.
Israeli agents apparently appreciate operating under the cover of artists. Shortly before
September 11, a group of fourteen Jewish "artists" under the name of Gelatin installed themselves on the
ninety-first floor of the north tower of the World Trade Center. There, as a work of "street
art," they removed a window and extended a wooden balcony. To understand what role this piece
of scaffolding may have played, it must be remembered that the explosion supposedly resulting
from the impact of the Boeing AA11 on the North Tower took place between the ninety-second and
the ninety-eighth floors. With the only film of the impact on the North Tower being that of the
Naudet brothers, who are under suspicion for numerous reasons, many researchers are convinced
that no aircraft hit this tower, and that the explosion simulating the impact was provoked by
pre-planted explosives inside the tower.
... ... ...
Another chief of the cover-up was Philip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11
presidential Commission established in November 2002. Zelikow is a self-styled specialist in
the art of making "public myths" by "'searing' or 'molding' events [that] take on
'transcendent' importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing
generation passes from the scene" ( Wikipedia ). In December 1998, he
co-signed an article for Foreign Affairs entitled "Catastrophic Terrorism," in which he speculated on what
would have happened if the 1993 WTC bombing (already attributed to bin Laden) had been done
with a nuclear bomb: "An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of
thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even
millions, would be a watershed event in America's history.
It could involve loss of life and
property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security
within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even
worse.
Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a
before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures scaling back civil
liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly
force." This is the man who controlled the governmental investigation on the 9/11 terror
attacks. Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, who nominally led the commission, revealed in their book
Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission (2006), that the commission
"was set up to fail" from the beginning.
Zelikow, they claim, had already written a synopsis
and a conclusion for the final report before the first meeting. He controlled all the working
groups, prevented them from communicating with each other, and gave them as sole mission to
prove the official story; Team 1A, for example, was tasked to "tell the story of Al-Qaeda's
most successful operation -- the 9/11 attacks."
A tight control of mainstream media is perhaps the most delicate aspect of the whole
operation. I will not delve into that aspect, for we all know what to expect from the MSM. For
a groundbreaking argument on the extent to which 9/11 was psy-op orchestrated by MSM, I
recommend Ace
Baker's 2012 documentary 9/11 The Great American Psy-Opera, chapters 6, 7
and 8.
Above, Laurent Guyénot mentions the 'Israeli art students' who had been working in the
NYC towers a few weeks before the 9-11 event, these 'students' covered by the New York Times,
which showed in photos a stack of cardboard boxes alongside the 'art students', the factory
code markings on the boxes later
traced as referencing components of bomb detonators
Francesco Cossiga, formerly President of Italy, flat-out said that the major governments
in Europe all privately recognise that 9-11 was run by the USA & Israel Cossiga speaking
to Italy's largest newspaper, the Corriere della Serra:
"... "The role of the President of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel." -- Ann Lewis, speaking for Hillary Clinton, at the meeting for Jewish Leadership sponsored by the United Jewish Communities on March 18, 2008 ( Jewess Ann Lewis, is sister to Homo Congressman Barney Frank). ..."
"... "The US shouldn't give high clearances to Jews, because when asked to help, we're willing to do anything for the love of our country, Israel." -- Jew Spy Jonathan Pollard during interrogation by the FBI. Make note that Pollard was born in the US and his spying put America in serious nuclear risk back in the 1980's. ..."
"... "We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own ." -- Ari Shavit, an Israeli columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more than a hundred Lebanese civilians in an essay reprinted (from the Israeli paper Ha'aretz) in the May 27, 1996, issue of the New York Times. ..."
@jilles dykstra Two remarks,
Sharon's famous statement 'we control America', and the fact that any, or nearly all Chiefs of Staff in the White House were jews.
"The role of the President of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel."
-- Ann Lewis, speaking for Hillary Clinton, at the meeting for Jewish Leadership sponsored by the United Jewish Communities on
March 18, 2008 ( Jewess Ann Lewis, is sister to Homo Congressman Barney Frank).
"[Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the
Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and 'turn the US against us.' At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned
toward Peres, saying 'every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something
very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.'"
-- Kol Yisrael (Israel Radio), 3 October, 2001 (IAP)
"My opinion of Christian Zionists? They're scum. But don't tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now
"
"I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction."
-- Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel. Bibi just happened to be in New York City on 9/11 and London during the
7/7 subway bombings.
"The US shouldn't give high clearances to Jews, because when asked to help, we're willing to do anything for the love of
our country, Israel." -- Jew Spy Jonathan Pollard during interrogation by the FBI. Make note that Pollard was born in the US and
his spying put America in serious nuclear risk back in the 1980's.
"The U.S. has no longer a government of goyim [Gentiles], but an administration in which the Jews are full partners in the
decision making at all levels. Perhaps the aspects of the Jewish religious law connected with the term 'government of goyim' should
be re-examined, since it is an outdated term in the U.S." -- The major Israeli newspaper, Maariv, "The Jews Who Run Clinton's
Court" on September 2, 1994.
"We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate,
and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own ." -- Ari Shavit, an Israeli
columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more than a hundred Lebanese civilians in an essay reprinted
(from the Israeli paper Ha'aretz) in the May 27, 1996, issue of the New York Times.
"The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-White or non-European. And
they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country.
We have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to ethnic bigotry for about a half century. That climate has not yet
been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible and makes constitutional constraints
against bigotry more practical than ever." -- Earl Raab, executive director emeritus of the Perlmutter Institute of Jewish Advocacy
(offshoot of the ADL), Jewish Bulletin, Feb. 19, 1993
"We Jews have spoiled the blood of all the races of Europe. Taken as a whole, everything is Jewdified. Our ideas animate everything.
Our spirit reigns over the world. We are the Lords." -- Dr. Kurt Munzer, "The Way to Zion."
"The Roosevelt Administration has selected more Jews to fill influential positions than any previous administration." -- Brooklyn
Jewish Examiner, October 20, 1933.
"The Revolution won't happen with guns, rather it will happen incrementally, year by year, generation by generation. We will
gradually infiltrate their educational institutions and their political offices, transforming them slowly into Marxist entities
as we move towards universal egalitarianism." -- Max Horkheimer, Marxist Jew of the Frankfurt School
"The Jewish Question is being discussed by statesmen in a way more acute and compelling than ever before in the history of
the world. They can do whatever they want, but the nations of the earth well never be able to get away from this question. The
Jewish serpent will show its hydra's heads everywhere, blocking the way to a relaxation of international tensions. We Jews will
not allow peace in the world, however hard statesmen and peace advocates try to bring it about." -- London Jewish Chronicle, March
3, 1939
Under the heading of "A brief History of the Terms for Jew" in the 1980 Jewish Almanac is the following: "Strictly speaking
it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew." -- 1980 Jewish Almanac,
p. 3 (the writer is obliquely referring to the true history of the Eastern European Ashkenazim, or Khazars).
"The world revolution which we will experience will be exclusively our affair and will rest in our hands. This revolution will
tighten the Jewish domination over all other people." -- Le Peuple Juif, February 8, 1919.
"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism (Communism) itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that
the ideals of Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism." -- The Jewish Chronicle, April 4, 1919.
"The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal
is to create a NEW ORDER IN THE WORLD. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because
of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, became a reality
all over the world." -- The American Hebrew Magazine – September 10, 1920. Sometimes misquoted to say "New World Order."
"Jewish history has been tragic to the Jews and no less tragic to the neighboring nations who have suffered them. Our major
vice of old as of today is parasitism. We are a people of vultures living on the labor and good fortune of the rest of the world."
-- Samuel Roth, "Jews Must Live," page 18.
"I hardly exaggerate. Jewish life consists of two elements: Extracting money and protesting." -- Nahum Goldmann "The Jewish
Paradox" 1978
Real, Factual, Honest, TRUTH'S Straight from the Mouth's & Pen's of .wait for it! .JEWS!
And, yet Still, the stupid, delusional, Naysayers, Jew Defenders, and all who remain in Deep Denial of such factual Truths
Will continue to be and act as such. They simply cannot ever admit they have been so totally wrong, all those year's now, eh.
What does their Judaic Zionist Talmud, Holiest of Holy Book's teach Jews, such as Trumps SIL Kushner? ..This for one example
..Religious teaching and belief of Talmudic Jewry.
"To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim
knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly." -- The Talmud: Libbre David 37
Rubin revealed that Ryan was in almost daily contact with Shai Masot, an Israeli embassy staffer in London, caught on camera
plotting to "take down" MPs perceived as hostile to Israel. Masot is also filmed discussing with leading figures in Conservative
Friends of Israel, including Maria Strizzolo, a senior aide to Education Minister Robert Halfon and a former political director
of CFI, about whether Strizzoli could help "take down" Foreign Office deputy, Sir Alan Duncan. The affair now looks like a
practice run for the operation mounted against Corbyn.
No doubt about that. Are these people in prison yet?
Looks like Zionists and Jews serve as scapegoats for neocons and neoliberalism induced problems ;-)
We probably should also talk about financial capital fifth column, which intersects with Zionist fifth column and is more powerful.
I do not think that without the power of financial fifth column Zionist fifth column would achieve such a prominence.
But in any case a better organized minority often dominates often disorganized majority: this is the essence of the iron law of
oligarchy.
We also can view Israel as yet another US state as the destiny of Israel is so closely lined to the the USA.
Too many people mix Zionists and neocons ("Full Spectrum Dominance" religious cult). As well as Zionists and neoliberals.
Notable quotes:
"... Specially Designated Nationals And Blocked Persons List ( ..."
"... Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is ..."
"... Two remarks, Sharon's famous statement 'we control America', and the fact that any, or nearly all Chiefs of Staff in the White House were zionists. ..."
Referring to Israel during an interview in August 1983, U.S. Navy Admiral and former head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Thomas
Moorer said "I've never seen a President
-- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is
going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip these
people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."
Moorer was speaking generally but he had something specific in mind, namely the June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the American intelligence
ship, U.S.S. Liberty, which killed 34 American crewmen and wounded 173 more. The ship was operating in international waters and was
displaying a huge stars and stripes but Israeli warplanes, which had identified the vessel as American, even strafed the life rafts
to kill those who were fleeing the sinking ship. It was the bloodiest attack on a U.S. Naval vessel ever outside of wartime and the
crew deservedly received the most medals every awarded to a single ship based on one action. Yes, it is one hell of a story of courage
under fire, but don't hold your breath waiting for Hollywood to make a movie out of it.
President Lyndon B. Johnson, may he burn in hell, had ordered the recall of U.S. carrier planes sent to aid the stricken vessel,
saying that he would prefer the ship go to the bottom rather than embarrass his good friend Israel. Then came the cover-up from inside
the U.S. government. A hastily convened and summarily executed board of inquiry headed by Admiral John McCain, father of the senator,
deliberately interviewed only a handful of crewmen before determining that it was all an accident. The sailors who had survived the
attack as well as crewmen from Navy ships that arrived eventually to provide assistance were held incommunicado in Malta before being
threatened and sworn to secrecy. Since that time, repeated attempts to convene another genuine inquiry have been rebuffed by congress,
the White House and the Pentagon. Recently deceased Senator John McCain was particularly active in rejecting overtures from the Liberty
survivors.
The Liberty story demonstrates how Israel's ability to make the United States government act against its own interests has been
around for a long time. Grant Smith of IRMEP, cites how Israeli spying carried out by AIPAC in Washington back in the mid-1980s resulted
in a
lopsided trade agreement that currently benefits Israel by more than $10 billion per year on the top of direct grants from the
U.S. Treasury and billions in tax exempt "charitable" donations by American Jews.
If Admiral Moorer were still alive, I would have to tell him that the situation vis-à-vis Israeli power is much worse now than
it was in 1983. He would be very interested in reading a
remarkable bit of research recently completed by Smith demonstrating exactly how Israel and its friends work from inside the
system to corrupt our political process and make the American government work in support of Jewish state interests. He describes
in some detail how the Israel Lobby has been able to manipulate the law enforcement community to protect and promote Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu's agenda.
A key component in the Israeli penetration of the U. S. government has been President George W. Bush's 2004 signing off on the
creation of the Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (OTFI) within the Department of the Treasury. The group's website
proclaims that it is responsible for "safeguarding the financial system against illicit use and combating rogue nations, terrorist
facilitators, weapons of mass destruction (WMD) proliferators, money launderers, drug kingpins, and other national security threats,"
but it has from its founding been really all about safeguarding Israel's perceived interests. Grant Smith notes however, how "the
secretive office has a special blind spot for major terrorism generators, such as tax-exempt money laundering from the United States
into illegal Israeli settlements and proliferation financing and weapons technology smuggling into Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons
complex."
The first head of the office was Undersecretary of Treasury Stuart Levey, who operated secretly within the Treasury itself while
also coordinating regularly both with the Israeli government as well as with pro-Israel organizations like AIPAC, WINEP and the Foundation
for the Defense of Democracies (FDD). Levey also traveled regularly to Israel on the taxpayer's dime, as did his three successors
in office.
Levey left OTFI in 2011 and was replaced by David Cohen.
It was reported then and subsequently
that counterterrorism position at OTFI were all filled by individuals who were both Jewish and Zionist. Cohen continued the Levey
tradition of resisting any transparency regarding what the office was up to. Smith reports how, on September 12, 2012, he
refused to answer reporter questions "about Israel's possession of nuclear weapons, and whether sanctioning Iran, a signatory
to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, over its internationally-inspected civilian nuclear program was an example
of endemic double standards at OTFI."
Cohen was in turn succeeded in 2015 by Adam Szubin who was then replaced in 2017 by Sigal Pearl Mandelker,
a former
and possibly current Israeli citizen . All of the heads of OTFI have therefore been Jewish and Zionist. All work closely with
the Israeli government, all travel to Israel frequently on "official business" and they all are in close liaison with the Jewish
groups most often described as part of the Israel Lobby. And the result has been that many of the victims of OTFI have been generally
enemies of Israel, as defined by Israel and America's Jewish lobbyists. OTFI's Specially Designated Nationals And Blocked Persons
List (SDN), which includes sanctions and enforcement options , features many Middle Eastern Muslim and Christian names and
companies but nothing in any way comparable relating to Israel and Israelis, many of whom are well known to law enforcement otherwise
as weapons traffickers and money launderers . And once placed on the SDN there is no transparent way to be removed, even
if the entry was clearly in error.
Here in the United States, action by OTFI has meant that Islamic charities have been shut down and individuals exercising their
right to free speech through criticism of the Jewish state have been imprisoned. If the Israel Anti-Boycott Act succeeds in making
its way through congress the OTFI model will presumably become the law of the land when it comes to curtailing free speech whenever
Israel is involved.
The OTFI story is outrageous, but it is far from unique. There is a history of American Jews closely attached to Israel being
promoted by powerful and cash rich domestic lobbies to act on behalf of the Jewish state. To be sure, Jews who are Zionists are
vastly overrepresented in all government agencies that have anything at all to do with the Middle East and one can reasonably
argue that the Republican and Democratic Parties are in the pockets of Jewish billionaires named Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban.
Neoconservatives, most of whom are Jewish, infiltrated the Pentagon under the Reagan Administration and they and their heirs in
government and media (Doug Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol) were major players in the catastrophic
war with Iraq, which, one of the architects of that war, Philip Zelikow,
described in 2004
as being all about Israel. The same people are now in the forefront of urging war with Iran.
American policy towards the Middle East is largely being managed by a small circle of Orthodox Jews working for presidential son-in-law
Jared Kushner. One of them, David Friedman, is currently U.S. Ambassador to Israel. Friedman, a bankruptcy lawyer who has no diplomatic
or foreign policy credentials, is a Zionist Jew who is also a supporter of the illegal settlements on the West Bank and a harsh critic
of other Jews who in any way disagree with the Israeli government. He has contributed money to settlement construction, which would
be illegal if OTFI were doing its job, and has consistently defended the settlers while condemning the Palestinians in speeches in
Israel. He endlessly and ignorantly repeats Israeli government talking points and has
tried to change the wording of State Department communications, seeking to delete the word "occupied" when describing Israel's
control of the West Bank. His humanity does not extend beyond his Jewishness, defending the Israeli shooting thousands of unarmed
Gazan protesters and the bombing of schools, hospitals and cultural centers. How he represents the United States and its citizens
who are not dual nationals must be considered a mystery.
Friedman's top adviser is Rabbi Aryeh Lightstone,
who is described by the Embassy as an expert in "Jewish education and pro-Israel advocacy." Once upon a time, in an apparently
more enlightened mood, Lightstone described Donald Trump as posing "an existential danger both to the Republican Party and to the
U.S." and even accused him of pandering to Jewish audiences. Apparently when opportunity knocked he changed his mind about his new
boss. Pre-government in 2014, Lightstone founded and headed Silent City, a Jewish advocacy group supported by extreme right-wing
money that opposed the Iran nuclear agreement and also worked to combat the nonviolent Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
He is reportedly still connected financially with anti BDS groups, which might be construed as a conflict of interest. As the Senior
Adviser to Friedman he is paid in excess of $200,000 plus free housing, additional cash benefits to include a 25% cost of living
allowance and a 10% hardship differential, medical insurance and eligibility for a pension.
So, what's in it all for Joe and Jill American Citizens? Not much. And for Israel? Anything, it wants, apparently. Sink a U.S.
warship? Okay. Tap the U.S. Treasury? Sure, just wait a minute and we'll draft some legislation that will give you even more money.
Create a treasury department agency run exclusively by Jews that operates secretly to punish critics of the Jewish state? No brainer.
Meanwhile a bunch of dudes at the Pentagon are dreaming of new wars for Israel and the White House sends an ignorant ambassador and
top aide overseas to represent the interests of the foreign government in the country where they are posted. Which just happens to
be Israel. Will it ever end?
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational
foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is
www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O.
Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is[email protected].
Since these groups are tax-free entities, gathering in at least 26 billion a year-not including money to synagogues–that's
close to 30 billion a year Americans have to make up for out of their wallets on April 15 of each year.
26 Billion Bucks: The Jewish Charity Industry Uncovered
The Forward's investigation has uncovered a tax-exempt Jewish communal apparatus that operates on the scale of a Fortune
500 company and focuses the largest share of its donor dollars on Israel.
This analysis doesn't include synagogues and other groups that avoid revealing their financial information by claiming
a religious exemption.
The Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence has been run by either American or Israeli Jews since its inception. Similar
to the US Treasury, where five out of the last eight Treasury heads were American Jews. One of the GOYIM appointed, Hank Paulson,
was installed to put an American face on the 2008 MBS generated economic crash, which enriched Wall Street before AND after, but
devastated Main Street.
After Israel realized it could attack the USS Liberty and not only not be held accountable, but the USG would help them protect
their lies, that gave them the incentive to start planning their biggest attack on the USA to date: the 9/11 False Flag. And like
the Liberty incident, the USG is protecting Israel by helping with the lies that keep the Big Lie alive, that Bin Laden and his
posse were the attackers, so Israel could use it's MSM buddies to generate an army of lies about Iraq; Libya, Syria and Iran,
three of which we've already destroyed with Iran in the cross-hairs of unhinged psychos like Bolton and Nutty Nikki.
Drain the Swamp? Hell, Trump and his minions like Shadow President Kushner come from the murkiest depths of that Swamp.
Bottom line? Either we WTFU and realize that our nation has been taken over by Israel, which is using our military might, wealth
and blood to do their dirty work in the ME, invading and busting up nations Israel wants destroyed, or we resign ourselves and
condemn our offspring to a lifetime of poverty, misery, tyranny and endless wars for the glory of Apartheid Israel.
I wonder at the reference for the claim that LBJ stated his preference that the LIBERTY sink rather than embarass Israel. I am
mindful of LBJ's apparent indifference to the violent deaths of thousands of US servicemen in another part of the world at that
time.
An Israeli journalist stated over 20 years ago that 'the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media [are] in our
hands'. His words were picked up by Joseph Sobran:
'In an essay reprinted in the May 27, 1996, issue of the New York Times Ari Shavit, an Israeli columnist, reflected
sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more than a hundred Lebanese civilians in April. "We killed them out of a certain
naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in
our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own "'
Sobran observes that 'this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than for what it tells us about America. Frank
discussion of Israel is permitted in Israel, as Mr Shavit's article illustrates. It's rarely permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism
and a quiet but very effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's -- and
his own profession's -- servitude to Israeli interests.'
The bastards have the whole system wired. Their tenures at the Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (OTFI) provided
a springboard to critical posititions within the architecture of 'the system'.
From Wikipedia:
In January 2012, Levey joined HSBC as the bank's Chief Legal Officer.
(trivia : In 2014 HSBC closed North London Central Mosque's account and some Muslim clients' and groups' accounts. Several
sources report that HSBC closed them because they donated their money to Palestine during the recent conflict)
and
In 2015 Cohen was appointed Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency . At the time of his appointment, some
speculated that Cohen's selection was due to the Obama administration's reluctance in picking someone with ties to past incidences
of CIA torture and extraordinary rendition. The post of deputy director has traditionally been filled by military officers or
intelligence community veterans.
(note the whitewashing of Cohen's appointment. No mention of the jewish/zionist angle.)
@rafael martorell thank you
for your articles but is time for you to explain how and why we get to such ridiculous,caricaturesque level of control,that cant
be explain even if the case we are inferiors to them. Everything is for sale in the USA, including our foreign policy and the
lives of our soldiers.
British immigrants are required to RENOUNCE UK Citizenship, to become US Citizens.
This is entirely proper.
Mexicans & Jews retain dual citizenship, without any problem. This is so wrong. Jews routinely serve in IDF & Mossad, but seldom
in the US Military. This is a GLARING form of disloyalty. Such 'citizenship' should be revoked, and the holders deported. IMHPO.
I suspect that Jews & Mexicans on SCOTUS, are at the bottom of this.
Will it ever end? Mr. Giraldi asks (rhetorically). Trump got something right when he said that Media was the enemy, but he didn't
say who owned Media. "Masters of Discourse" Israel Shamir calls Jews who control what we see and hear. Since Media lies to us
24/7, and since Congress is scared to death of AIPAC's power and money (Netanyahu's 29 standing ovations before that group of
pathetic whores), nothing will change until Media changes ownership and Congress is subjected to campaign finance reform. No more
"campaign contributions" (bribes).
It is terrifying but both US warmongering and Israeli control will only end when the dollar system collapses. That's a very sad
thing to say but Israel will abandon the US like a used condom if the US fails economically.
When LBJ ordered the recall of the fighters that were flying to the rescue of the Liberty, he said that he didn't want to embarrass
his ally. This was at a time when the sailors on the Liberty had not yet identified the nationality of the attackers. People in
the White House knew it was Israel before the sailors on the Liberty knew. Think about the implications of that.
Any time a political system can be hijacked by a foreign power and forced to do the bidding of that foreign power that political
system has to be replaced.
The American political system based on republican and constitutional government has collapsed, largely because the Jewish people
have made a total, complete and utter mockery out of that system. The so-called American "democracy" is a code word for plutocracy.
Wherever you have a "democracy" what you have in practice is a plutocracy.
The Jews love plutocracies because with their money they can literally buy politicians. Furthermore, the non-Jewish populations
cannot defend themselves from the Jewish power in these so-called "democracies".
It will take the proverbial man on the white horse to remedy this situation, i.e., a Caesar, Napoleon, Mussolini or Hitler.
If any of you reading this think that this collapsed political system can be resurrected, well then you are living in la-la land.
OTFI's Specially Designated Nationals And Blocked Persons List (SDN), which includes sanctions and enforcement options ,
features many Middle Eastern Muslim and Christian names and companies but nothing in any way comparable relating to Israel
and Israelis, many of whom are well known to law enforcement otherwise as weapons traffickers and money launderers .
OTFI SDN features names only, of those individuals/businesses/organisations which are engaged in illegal activities against
the United States and her interests.
Your well-known bias clouds your vision.
Went through the list cursorily and looked for names I knew to be criminally engaged and thus under U.S. surveillance and sanctions.
Names with a Jewish ethnicity, that is. Lo behold, they are indeed there:
Mikhail Abramov
Valerii Abramov
Nicolai Shusanshvili a.k.a Moshe Israel
Arkadevic Rotenberg
Roman Rotenberg
I am sure there are more.
Don't suppose any clarification, let alone a retraction, of your demonstrated hatred of Jews and the resulting bias would be
forthcoming
Let me explain to you stupid goyim why the Jews dominate you.
Take 2 groups of people of roughly equal ability –
Group A – divides its time between making money and quality of life activities. Has aesthetic and moral limits on what its
willing to do to make money.
Group B – devotes 98 percent if it's time to making money. No aesthetic and moral limits on what its willing to do to make
money.
Group B will swiftly dominate and concentrate all wealth in its hands, even if it is no more talented than group A, and vastly
outnumbered by group A, and will reshape society to fit its agenda of money uber alles.
That's all there is to it. There is no mystery.
Now there are literally only 2 ways, and only 2 ways, to fight this –
1) Group A must learn to devote 98 percent of its time to making money and have no moral or aesthetic limits.
2) Group A must practice collective action to preserve its leisured way of life and exclude group B from too much power.
This is why individualism was the greatest gift to people who care only about money.
There is no use complaining about Jews. They are what they are. Money to Jews are "God points" – the more you have the closer
you are to God. Puritans had the same idea later.
The problem transcends Jews.
Lets say 80 percent of Jews are willing to sacrifice their lives to money, but only 20 percent of gentiles are. Even in a country
with no Jews, that 20 percent of gentiles will dominate and shape the county to fit its joyless agenda and oppress everyone else.
That's why in England the powerful classes acted as horrifically as Jews with things like the Land Enclosures and the rape
of the monasteries and the like.
People who care only for money will always dominate people who have other interests in life – it is a law of nature, easy to
understand, not at all mysterious. Unless the majority who care less for money are willing to band together to put a check
on the joyless minority.
When individualism was accepted, the dominance if the joyless minority was assured.
@Johnny Rottenborough An Israeli
journalist stated over 20 years ago that 'the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media [are] in our hands'. His
words were picked up by Joseph Sobran:
'In an essay reprinted in the May 27, 1996, issue of the New York Times Ari Shavit, an Israeli columnist, reflected
sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more than a hundred Lebanese civilians in April. "We killed them out of a certain
naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in
our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own "'
Sobran observes that 'this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than for what it tells us about America. Frank
discussion of Israel is permitted in Israel, as Mr Shavit's article illustrates. It's rarely permitted here. Charges of anti-Semitism
and a quiet but very effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's -- and
his own profession's -- servitude to Israeli interests.' What ever happened to Rick Sanchez? LOL!!!
On September 30, 2010, Sanchez was interviewed on Sirius XM's radio show Stand Up With Pete Dominick. Sanchez's interview
occurred on the final day of his show in the 8 p.m. time slot, and he was reportedly angry about being replaced by CNN's new
Parker Spitzer talk show[11][12] as well as the occasional jokes made at his expense on The Daily Show:
It's not just the Right that does this. 'Cause I've known a lot of, you know, elite Northeast establishment liberals
that may not use this as a business model, but deep down when they look at a guy like me, they see a guy automatically who
belongs in the second tier and not the top tier . I had a guy who works here at CNN who's a top brass come to me one day and
say, 'You know what, I don't want you anchoring anymore. I really don't see you as an anchor. I see you more as a reporter.
I see you more as a John Quiñones .' Did he not realize that he was telling me, 'When I see you, I think of Hispanic reporters'?
'Cause in his mind, I can't be an anchor. An anchor's what you give the high-profile White guys, you know? So he knocks me
down to that and compares me to that, and it happens all the time. I think to a certain extent Jon Stewart and Colbert are
the same way. I think Jon Stewart's a bigot.[11]
After Dominick questioned him, Sanchez retracted the term, "bigot," and referred to Stewart as "prejudicial" and "uninformed,"[13]
but he defended feeling discriminated, saying, "He's upset that someone of my ilk is almost at his level" and that Stewart
is "not just a comedian. He can make and break careers."[14] When queried on the issue of whether Stewart likewise belonged
to a minority group on account of his Jewish faith, Sanchez responded: Yeah, very powerless people. [laughs] He's such a minority. I mean, you know, please. What -- are you kidding? I'm telling
you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart.
And to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?[11][12]
A day after his remarks,[15] CNN announced that Sanchez was no longer employed with the company.[11] Despite his firing, upon leaving CNN, Sanchez said, "I want to go on record to say that I have nothing but the highest
regard for CNN and for my six wonderful years with them. I appreciate every opportunity that they have given me, and it has
been a wonderful experience working for them."[20]
Apology for comments In the days after the incident, Sanchez apologized several times. In an appearance on Good Morning America, Sanchez
told George Stephanopoulos, "I said some things I shouldn't have said. They were wrong. Not only were they wrong, they were
offensive." He added, "I apologize and it was wrong for me to be so careless and so inartful. But it happened and I can't take
it back and, you know what, now I have to stand up and be responsible."[21] Sanchez also called and personally apologized to Stewart. He released a statement expressing regret for his "inartful"
comments, adding "I am very much opposed to hate and intolerance, in any form, and I have frequently spoken out against prejudice."[20][22]
On October 20, 2010, Jon Stewart told Larry King that Sanchez should not have been fired for what Sanchez said in the radio
interview; Stewart called the firing "absolute insanity",[23] and stating that he was not "personally hurt".[24]
In a letter to Abraham Foxman -- the head of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) -- Sanchez apologized once again, writing, "[T]here
are no words strong enough for me to express my regret and sorrow over what I said. It was offensive, and I deeply, sincerely
and unequivocally apologize for the hurt that I have caused. I tell my children that when they make a mistake, they should
take responsibility, atone and work to repair whatever they have done. I cannot undo the offense or controversy I caused; all
I can do is to try and learn from this experience and strive to become a better person."
Following a meeting with Foxman, Foxman said Sanchez can now "put the matter to rest", adding that he hoped Sanchez can now
move on with his life and work.
After his groveling (appology tour) to Big Joo Sanchez was able to resuscitate his journalistic career to some extent
but at a much lower level.
Beware the POWER of the CABAL
Trumps comments that 'he would meet with the Iranians', even though his Treasury Department is destroying their country, is, I
believe, a dog whistle to American Nationalists like me, that he is not completely controlled by the evil Cabal. I certainly hope
so but we shall see.
That comment that Trump 'would meet with the Iranians' must have gotten the Cabal's underwear all in knots but some like Alan
'Douche-a-witz' still stayed on the Trump support team vs. the Deep State. Interestink times. (Grin)
@NoseytheDuke Good thinking
Philip Giraldi, it really is time for a movie to be made about the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty and the wilful killing
of so many US sailors. It should be done without any Hollywood backing and distribution along the lines of Mel Gibson's Passion
of the Christ. (Hey Mel, do you read The Unz Review? You should).
It could easily be crowdfunded if necessary, with survivors of the incident serving as consultants. There are loads of 60s
era military surplus items available on the cheap, including aircraft and I would imagine a massive response to a call for actors
and extras. It certainly would help kick open the door to awareness of where the real threat to America lies. Its not just about
the jews, its about the american elites too. The commoners, the fatties, the crackers, the trailer thrash, the single mums, the
idiots awaiting the second coming will be the last to know what is now becoming common knowledge the world over.
I'm no genius or economist but reading online, I understood it well. The common minimum wage burger slinger will support the empire,
the jews and the dollar when he understands what uncle sam is doing and so will you if you happen to be american.
@AaronB Let me explain to you
stupid goyim why the Jews dominate you.
Take 2 groups of people of roughly equal ability -
Group A - divides its time between making money and quality of life activities. Has aesthetic and moral limits on what its
willing to do to make money.
Group B - devotes 98 percent if it's time to making money. No aesthetic and moral limits on what its willing to do to make
money.
Group B will swiftly dominate and concentrate all wealth in its hands, even if it is no more talented than group A, and vastly
outnumbered by group A, and will reshape society to fit its agenda of money uber alles.
That's all there is to it. There is no mystery.
Now there are literally only 2 ways, and only 2 ways, to fight this -
1) Group A must learn to devote 98 percent of its time to making money and have no moral or aesthetic limits.
2) Group A must practice collective action to preserve its leisured way of life and exclude group B from too much power.
This is why individualism was the greatest gift to people who care only about money.
There is no use complaining about Jews. They are what they are. Money to Jews are "God points" - the more you have the closer
you are to God. Puritans had the same idea later.
The problem transcends Jews.
Lets say 80 percent of Jews are willing to sacrifice their lives to money, but only 20 percent of gentiles are. Even in a country
with no Jews, that 20 percent of gentiles will dominate and shape the county to fit its joyless agenda and oppress everyone else.
That's why in England the powerful classes acted as horrifically as Jews with things like the Land Enclosures and the rape
of the monasteries and the like.
People who care only for money will always dominate people who have other interests in life - it is a law of nature, easy to
understand, not at all mysterious. Unless the majority who care less for money are willing to band together to put a check
on the joyless minority.
When individualism was accepted, the dominance if the joyless minority was assured. Spot on.
Put it another way: people who are dishonest, corrupt, ruthless and unscrupulous will always win over people who are honest,
trusting and law abiding, and make them look like fools, i.e. the impure at heart will always win over the pure at heart.
This doesn't just apply to Jews, it applies to basically all non-WASPs. That's why groups like Indians and Chinese are also
doing well in the US, they are almost equally as dishonest, corrupt, ruthless and unscrupulous as the Jews, the only difference
is, the Chinese are not nearly as power hungry as the Jews or the Indians.
The only truly honest people in the world are Germans and Scandinavians. That's why they did not colonize the 3rd world or
engaged in the slave trade like the rest of Europe. The British aristocracy has been too deeply infiltrated by Jews for too long,
they've long lost their sense of honor and honesty. America became a Jew run country since LBJ came to power, it's basically Israel
x 100. It is no longer a benevolent superpower, not since the CIA was formed. It is now the military wing of Israel, Inc.
@ChuckOrloski Hi RVBlake,
... Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D. AIPAC-approved/RI) now opines upon how the Zionist Chief Justice Roberts' Supreme Court was
prejudiced against N.W.O.'s "constructed" & subsequent approval of downsized worker "Unions."
(zzZigh)
... Selah, a remake of the ole cowboy song, "Home, home on The Homeland range..., where, selah, the cloud-cover is sunny all day!"
Thanks, RVBlake. Censored Al-Jazeera documentary shows how the Israel lobby spies and blackmail US citizens on US soil in violation
of the law.
Information about the censored documentary was posted by Geokat62 on the precedent P. Giraldi's article: French journalist
Alain Gresh was given a private screening and wrote a headline article in "Le Monde Diplomatique".
The Israel lobby deploys a web of systematic, anonymous and secure spying techniques on US citizens who oppose Zionist policies,
such as BDS activists. It gathers personal and confidential information on these individuals, then puts this information on line
to ruin their lives.
It also digs up any political activity or comments that could be twisted and misinterpreted, and blackmails employers with anti-Semitism
accusations, should they not sack the targeted individuals.
This is just institutionalised blackmail on US soil, for the benefit of a foreign power, in total impunity.
Full article in English version:
Put it another way: people who are dishonest, corrupt, ruthless and unscrupulous will always win over people who are honest,
trusting and law abiding, and make them look like fools, i.e. the impure at heart will always win over the pure at heart.
This doesn't just apply to Jews, it applies to basically all non-WASPs. That's why groups like Indians and Chinese are also
doing well in the US, they are almost equally as dishonest, corrupt, ruthless and unscrupulous as the Jews, the only difference
is, the Chinese are not nearly as power hungry as the Jews or the Indians.
The only truly honest people in the world are Germans and Scandinavians. That's why they did not colonize the 3rd world or
engaged in the slave trade like the rest of Europe. The British aristocracy has been too deeply infiltrated by Jews for too long,
they've long lost their sense of honor and honesty. America became a Jew run country since LBJ came to power, it's basically Israel
x 100. It is no longer a benevolent superpower, not since the CIA was formed. It is now the military wing of Israel, Inc. There
are no innocent groups. Different groups are innocent at different times.
@AaronB But the monarchs and
the nobility themselves turn rapacious - Henry 8 couldn't control his greed and raped the monasteries. Later, British nobility
stole everyone's land and impoverished and starved millions out of greed.
Plus, the nobility themselves employed Jews as ruthless tax farmers and moneylenders! The Jews were the proxies of the nobility
so the anger of the people would be deflected.
Examples across the world are legion.
People who care only about money always win against relaxed people who enjoy life - it's utterly un-mysterious and easily understandable.
There is no political system that can corrall greed. Religion controls it for a time then becomes a vehicle for greed and oppression.
It's a cycle. Greed rises, rises, then makes everything go to shit and collapse, then there is breathing room and life becomes
relatively enjoyable again (a period that greedy people generally call the Dark Ages, or the Middle Ages). "It's a cycle. Greed
rises, rises, then makes everything go to shit and collapse, then there is breathing room and life becomes relatively enjoyable
again (a period that greedy people generally call the Dark Ages, or the Middle Ages)."
You are too pessimistic. For the majority of the time humans have existed there was no such problem: a big man had to give
a party and spend his wealth. These are problems of later times. It took humans 8000 years to get rid of slavery. Earlier there
was no slavery as there was no work where to put slaves, today slaves are not needed as there are machines, but for a long time
they were needed. There will be a time when collecting wealth by doing anything will be impossible, but this time will have to
wait until development can be stopped. There are theoretical systems where these problems do not appear. No finance, no investment,
no interest, no accumulation of money, only maintaining technical infra. It is not yet, but how long lasted the dominance of agriculture,
and it is no more. But I think the problem is different, it is not some people thinking only of money. I think it is old capital
and acting as a group against all others. Genetic admixture would break the group and old capital can be destroyed. Has been done
before.
President Lyndon B. Johnson, may he burn in hell, had ordered the recall of U.S. carrier planes sent to aid the stricken
vessel, saying that he would prefer the ship go to the bottom rather than embarrass his good friend Israel.
In addition to the above mentioned transgression, he signed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, he promoted federal
funding for education, he promoted the war on poverty, he promoted gun control and many other Great Society horse shit programs.
LBJ was an evil, corrupt son of a bitch. He killed over 58,000 Americans in the god damn useless Vietnam 'war'.
To be sure, Jews who are Zionists are vastly overrepresented in all government agencies that have anything at all to do
with the Middle East and one can reasonably argue that the Republican and Democratic Parties are in the pockets of Jewish billionaires
named Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban.
This situation can be directly blamed on Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1976 and exacerbated by continuing dumb shit SC decisions
First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission
President Lyndon B. Johnson, may he burn in hell, had ordered the recall of U.S. carrier planes sent to aid the stricken vessel,
saying that he would prefer the ship go to the bottom rather than embarrass his good friend Israel.
In addition to the above mentioned transgression, he signed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, he promoted federal funding
for education, he promoted the war on poverty, he promoted gun control and many other Great Society horse shit programs.
LBJ was an evil, corrupt son of a bitch. He killed over 58,000 Americans in the god damn useless Vietnam 'war'.
To be sure, Jews who are Zionists are vastly overrepresented in all government agencies that have anything at all to do with
the Middle East and one can reasonably argue that the Republican and Democratic Parties are in the pockets of Jewish billionaires
named Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban.
This situation can be directly blamed on Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1976 and exacerbated by continuing dumb shit SC decisions
First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission
Will it ever end?
Not through electoral means.
Will it ever end?
Not through electoral means.
A key problem of our Western so-called democracies is that they are "representative." This might have been conducive to getting
stuff done in the age of horse and carriage, but nowadays it is no longer necessary; it is perfectly possible to let the people
vote on the latest raise for the Pentagon, if they bring a motion. In Switzerland this is done routinely; for example, a while
ago the people threw out the government's decision to buy the F-35 for the Swiss air force.
A purely representative democracy is designed to withhold power from the public and hand it over to the rich and their
lobbies. Direct democracy would be a powerful weapon against corruption – no lobby can bribe the whole of the population. Of course,
it does not immediately solve problems like control of mass media etc.; but nevertheless it is plain that Switzerland, the world's
most democratic country, is also prosperous, well-governed, with sound finances and without brain-dead foreign policy adventures.
Direct democracy has to potential to provide greatly improved governance, and it is a cause people on the left and the right
can all agree on.
I keep wishing that Mr. Giraldi would write a series of articles (book) about the COSTS (specially economic/human) of USA blind
support for Israli Zio establishment. Often times the world praises Israeli making the "dessert bloom" well any nation could do
so if that nation enjoyed secure perpetual markets, subsidies (US agricultural Dept) in the US. and Europe, which Palestinians
are often denied. Under ZIO banking threats ,Global Airlines must stop in Israeli Airport eventhought it adds heavy economic burdens
to their rolls$$. While Israel pushes America to enforce Trade/Arms/Finance sanctions and embargos against other nations it seem
that Israel is readily available to trade, sell weapons, and finance that very nations that AIPAC black listed!!! in fact US embargoes
are an economic boom for Israeli Defense Military industries. While Tel Aviv emerges a major technological powerhouse (Talpiot)
at the expense of American Tech Industries that usually powerless to stop Israeli theft, fraud, spying and outright robberies
of corporate/Pentagon/Secret tech many US cities plunge into chaos, Bankruptcy, industrial, manufacturing dilapidation such as
Detroit, Chicago, Flynn, etc. Perhaps it would help Americans understand the consequences of uncritical support for Israel once
they realize that their Children are paying for trillions in debt enslavement, worthless currency, shrinking middle class, expanding
poverty, decaying: infrastructure, schools, medical services, education etc. and of course the endless dying and bleeding of many
young Americans in endless wars that do NOT benefit their country at all only Israel profits from them. Couple with the political
costs for USA alienation, and hatred for America, and the constant of terrorist attacks targeting major urban cities in the Western
World, spreading death and destruction all over the world which may bring a global confrontation between Muslims/Christians countries
that only Israel can benefit. It remains to consider how long can USA sustain economically/politically/culturally such support
for Jewish-Zio-Israeli interests while ignoring its own internal/external well being (population/geographic) and national cohesiveness.
Now however, when through the malice of fate a large part of these Jews whom we fought against are alive, I must concede that
fate must have wanted it so. I always claimed that we were fighting against a foe who through thousands of years of learning
and development had become superior to us.
I no longer remember exactly when, but it was even before Rome itself had been founded that the Jews could already write.
It is very depressing for me to think of that people writing laws over 6,000 years of written history. But it tells me that
they must be a people of the first magnitude, for lawgivers have always been great.
- http://archive.is/wl8On#selection-785.5-789.335
Life Magazine, November 28, 1960 – Carroll Baker
Table of Contents
Eichmann's story
World War, 1939-1945 (War criminals), Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945) [p.] 20
" think of that people writing laws over 6,000 years of written history."
Wow, thanks for that history lesson. Always thought that the Code of Hammurabi was one of the first times laws were put into
written form, that the Law of Moses came later?
The Code of Hammurabi was one of the only sets of laws in the ancient Near East and also one of the first forms of law
. The code of laws was arranged in orderly groups, so that all who read the laws would know what was required of them.[10]
Earlier collections of laws include the Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (c. 2050 BC), the Laws of Eshnunna (c. 1930 BC) and the
codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (c. 1870 BC), while later ones include the Hittite laws, the Assyrian laws, and Mosaic Law.
@Eighthman It is terrifying
but both US warmongering and Israeli control will only end when the dollar system collapses. That's a very sad thing to say but
Israel will abandon the US like a used condom if the US fails economically.
Israel will abandon the US like a used condom if the US fails economically.
Israel will abandon the US like a used condom WHEN the US fails economically.
I fixed that for you. It will be by design too but the military power will be exploited first.
Yes, it's a disgraceful situation that the US government (Pentagon, Treasury, Congress, etc) has been co-opted Israel-firsters.
Indeed, these pro-Israel Zionists are morally and ethically bankrupt and have no qualms with taking over and dictating US foreign
policy for Israel's gain.
And while articles like this certainly have merit, the 'blame game' can only go so far before it becomes sore loser whining.
Don't like the situation as it stands? Then do something about it besides whingeing.
There is a need for reflection: how did this sad state of affairs come to pass? Why didn't government and military leadership
stop this silent Jewish-Zionist-Israeli coup from happening? In a way, it is the fault of gentile, or goy Americans for not being
able to recognize and to have stopped it dead in its tracks.
The Jews in general are much more closely knit than goys are. This is why they beat you: they work as a very loyal, tight-knit
team; whereas gentiles, WASPS etc are largely atomized. This is the goy's main failing: it's 'everybody's on his/her own'; there
is no community, no teamwork, no 'we're in this together' organization that the Jews have.
Even on the family level, Jewish families are much more close-knit. They look out for each other, help each other get jobs,
very good networking. Whites just don't do this, so many dysfunctional, fucked up families, broken families .families that only
see each other at Christmas–and beyond that 'don't bother me!'. Hard to face, but quite true. Goys are atomized. This is why they
lost.
Or look at how a synagogue works compared to a roman catholic church. In a synagogue, they are talking about what is really
happening now, who needs a job, who is starting a new business and go and be a customer there; or a special event everybody must
go to, etc. It is alive, a thriving central hub for the local Jewish community that has real relevance. On the other hand a roman
catholic church is a bore! Some old fart reading passages from the bible .people in the pews nodding off .nobody really gives
a shit. The only thing on their mind is when this raging bore of a church service will end so they can leave–and pronto! You know
it's true. That's why numbers of attendees to churches in USA are in a tailspin.
So my main point is this: the Jews beat you because they are so much better organized and integrated. Because of this they
hijacked the government for their own gain.
Geo, once again I am glad to observe that you are amongst the precious few on UR perfectly capable of being objective whilst
engaging in debate.
Appreciate the compliment, Sam.
But, speaking of objectivity:
Moreover, I shall be happier still, when he takes the trouble to distinguish between the vast majority of innocent Jewish citizens
of America and "America's Jews are Driving America's ".
would this modest revision satisfy your thirst for objectivity:
"America's Organized Jews (who are generally supported by the Jewish Community, at large) are Driving America's Wars."
If it does, consider it implied, as the latter wouldn't do as snappy title, would it? "America's Leaders are Driving America's
Wars"
By all means, name all the leaders: top, middle and lower in the article. By all means, observe that a significant group of
middle leadership were Jewish. But don't paint the rest of American Jewry with the same brush. They have nothing to do with it.
As you know I've looked into the financial contributions coming to the lobbies. The contributions from about the top 0.1% account
for 99.99% of the total. And that is no distortion of facts. Why would you hold the ordinary Jewish dentist or professor responsible
for the actions of an Adelson anymore than you would the actions of the ordinary gentile professor or engineer for the actions
of a Koch or Walton?
@Sam Shama Bibi is
a showman, that much is clear. You seem to be making equivalencies, not in evidence.
If you believe that the captain of the flight group was an insider to some alleged
conspiracy, then it must have been unique, one which ran down from the ranks of the top brass
all the way to the active operation captains. A tall order to believe. It would also require
you to believe that in the many friendly fire incidents, involved personnel never commit
errors judging the size of a vessel etc. Again, not the case. Indeed, Bibi is a
shoah-man.
Meanwhile, the Jewish Al Qaeda has been on the march in Syria:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-05/israels-military-censor-removed-news-report-detailing-idf-support-syrian-armed
Comment section: " The Zionist Plan for the Middle East, also known as the Yinon Plan, is an
Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that
Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the
surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.
When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on
Libya, the ongoing war on Syria, not to mention the process of regime change in Egypt, must
be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. The latter consists in
weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli
expansionist project.
"Greater Israel" consists in an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates"
– In short, the genocidal wars in Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, and Syria are the result of the
Jewish aspiration for "greatness." Another Bolshevik plan that is causing the enormous
tragedy for the innocent civilian populations, thanks to Jewish supremacist ideology and
sadism.
A never-shown Al Jazeera documentary on the pro-Israel lobby in the US reveals possibly
illegal Israeli spying on US citizens, and the lobby's fear of a changing political mood.
(This article has been published in French in Le Monde diplomatique, and translated by Le
Monde diplomatique, English edition.)
@Moi Problem,
Akbar, is that most Americans are ignorant and greedy--and the Jews fully understand that.
Salaam Alaikum "(FDD) Senior Advisor Richard Goldberg and FDD Visiting Fellow Jacob Nagel.
Goldberg and Nagel argue that the Trump administration should use its sanctions authorities
to target foreign governments, as well as their agencies and officials, engaged in activities
authorized under the JCPOA." "Moreover, Goldberg and Nagel argue that those parties
establishing research or business ties with U.S.-designated entities -- which, come November,
will include the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran -- should be subject to U.S. secondary
sanctions " not allow – "international collaboration, including in the form of
scientific joint partnerships, [would] be established in agreed areas of research," "Goldberg
and Nagel further argue that the Trump administration should threaten to cut funding to the
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) if the agency continues to provide technical
assistance to Iran and to host seminars and conferences in Iran. " "Iran would have little
choice but to kick the IAEA out of the country and withdraw entirely from the agency's
oversight. The world would thus lose the unprecedented oversight of Iran's nuclear program
that the JCPOA had provided.
That may be a feature, rather than a bug, of Goldberg and Nagel's proposal"
Yes the number 5 is the replay of the neocons success in getting UN out of Iraq which was
then used by the stupid Bush to justify the attack on Iraq.
FDD has in 2004 printed article documenting the high pitched neocons fevers and the lies
they engaged in to get US attack Iraq.
That might or might not have them made look like pragmatic nationalist patriotic pro-American
. But these bastards are nothing but pro-Israel They just change the spot and denounce the
previous spot.
These great businesses -- banking, brokering, bill discounting, loan floating, company
promoting -- form the central ganglion of international capitalism. United by the strongest
bonds of organization, always in closest and quickest touch with one another, situated in
the very heart of the business capital of every state, controlled, so far as Europe is
concerned, chiefly by men of a single and peculiar race , who have behind them many
centuries of financial experience, they are in a unique position to manipulate the policy
of nations. No great quick direction of capital is possible save by their consent and
through their agency. Does anyone seriously suppose that a great war could be undertaken by
any European state, or a great state loan subscribed, if the house of Rothschild and its
connections set their face against it? . There is not a war, a revolution, an anarchist
assassination, or any other public shock, which is not gainful to these men; they are
harpies who suck their gains from every new forced expenditure and every sudden
disturbance of public credit . These men are the only certain gainers from the [Boer] war,
and most of their gains are made out of the public losses of their adopted country
or the private losses of their fellow-countrymen.
Prescient words written by J.A. Hobson in his classic study of imperialism in 1902. In
over a century, little has changed. If anything, the power of these harpies has grown.
They are currently orchestrating a concerted attack on democracy itself in both Britain and
the U.S. The assault is being spearheaded not by the IDF, but by a captured, weaponized, news
media and corrupt politicians. If the Zionists are successful in their campaign to
criminalize the truth, who will heed their cries for help if ever the tables are turned?
It should be noted that the NYT oped cruise missile happened to be exactly timed with the
big splash of the Bob Woodward 'book' that trumpets the same meme ie the Trump administration
is dysfunctional and in a state of mutiny
'There is credible evidence that the American Deep State of the military-intelligence
apparatus used the Watergate scandal as a way to get rid of Nixon whose febrile mental
state was becoming a concern to them. Woodward, who had a background in Navy intelligence
was suspiciously a prodigy journalist who rapidly rose to cover what became the scandal
that ended Nixon's presidency.'
I would disagree only about Nixon's 'febrile mental state' as the reason for the deep
state wanting him gone the real reason was in fact that Nixon moved against neoliberalism and
expelled Milton Friedman and the 'Chicago School' from the white house he in fact turned
toward socialism on the economy
'Nixon's purge of Friedman from his administration was not merely symbolic. Facing a
serious economic downturn, Nixon utilized huge amounts of government spending, spending
$25.2 billion to stimulate the economy in 1972.
Nixon went as far to openly propose a plan to provide a universal basic income of $1,600
(the equivalent of $10,000 present day) to every American family of four.'
This was a step too far for the Rockefellers and the plutocracy that runs the United
States
as Caleb Maupin explained presciently back in May in his superb historical parallel
between the war on Trump and the Nixon offing
Now we see that the deep state 'journalist' Woodward is here attempting to reprise his
Watergate role in bringing down a sitting POTUS the claims in the Woodward book about an
'administrative coup' in the Trump white house, and this 'oped' are so obviously part of the
same ploy that it is way beyond coincidence
Now it is interesting to note that we have on record THREE very astute commentators saying
the same thing about the provenance of the 'anonymous' hit piece that it is a creation of the
NYT itself PCR was first out of the blocks, yesterday Mr Cunningham, one of the few honest
and capable writers on the REAL left and now Ms Johnstone
And here's where things get curioser yet even the neoliberal standard bearer, the New
Yorker magazine ran a scathing piece by none other than Putin [and Trump] hater Masha Gessen
condemning the 'media corruption' embodied in the NYT oped
'But having this state of affairs described in print further establishes that an
unelected body, or bodies, are overruling and actively undermining the elected leader
An anonymous person or persons cannot govern for the people, because the people do not
know who is governing.'
Clearly there is a civil war going on behind the scenes inside the executive branch of the
United States government what the results will be nobody can know but we must realize that
when even one link in the chain of command is broken, the whole thing falls apart
I predicted right after the Singapore Trump-Kim summit and the fierce media backlash that
resulted that the media and their deep state partners in crime would overplay their hand and
shoot themselves in the foot
They have now done exactly that we will see how the people react, but I suspect that even
those who might not otherwise support Trump will in fact rally round the embattled president
by firing this cannonade now the treasonous media have nailed their on coffin tightly
shut
For the "Full Spectrum Dominance " crows even neutered and bitten down Trump is unacceptable. They want him out.
Notable quotes:
"... I have no idea how deep this amorality charge goes, but coming from people who actually support killing children in the womb, that men and women are the same and marriage is the same dynamic between two people of the same sex as it is for the traditional dynamic, that relations out of wedlock are the same, that illegal immigrants are in fact entitled, that criticizing a foreign state is a crime, that have cheerlead for no less than the four military interventions or destabilizing state actions of the same . . . ..."
"... They don't need him gone, they just need him weak enough to destroy his ability to govern, his agenda and or him personally -- I think they prefer all four. ..."
"... This NYT op ed is a classic forgery, from the scammer NYT posing as a "conservative" (another common scam) to attacking Trump. ..."
This comes as no news. The NYT has been after part of the "get the president" for anything
and everything camp since the nomination.
I have no idea how deep this amorality charge goes, but coming from people who actually
support killing children in the womb, that men and women are the same and marriage is the
same dynamic between two people of the same sex as it is for the traditional dynamic, that
relations out of wedlock are the same, that illegal immigrants are in fact entitled, that
criticizing a foreign state is a crime, that have cheerlead for no less than the four
military interventions or destabilizing state actions of the same . . .
just does not have the weight to make much headway with me. It's like the supposedly
wonderful kobe beef from Japan I had today -- spoiled and sour.
The NYT reputation was tainted long before the current president took office. I think that
the compromise made by the president to adopt in full the intel report has serious
repercussions. The issue here is not whether the Russians engage in espionage or influence, i
take it for granted that they do. But thus far the evidence has been mighty thin that they
actually have done so and did so to any effect.
Something rather nasty has been seeping out of US polity and if Trump is anything he
represents that polity with all its veneer of integrity swept aside.
Not all of the members he chose for his staff are self seeking aggrandizers, making the US
safe for democracy is but a disguise. Some are honorable men and women who simply should not
have been selected because they openly rejected the current executive for political, policy
and personal reasons. I think that was a managerial mistake.
They don't need him gone, they just need him weak enough to destroy his ability to govern,
his agenda and or him personally -- I think they prefer all four.
This article about who, wrote or said what is just a side show.
@Rational DEAR
JUDAISTS -- PLEASE STOP LYING AND SCAMMING, PLEASE. BECOME CIVILIZED PLEASE.
Thanks for the excellent article, Sir. Great points!
This NYT op ed is a classic forgery, from the scammer NYT posing as a "conservative"
(another common scam) to attacking Trump.
Anonymous sources -- fabricated conversations that cannot be verified, because the source
is non-existent. It is all fabricated.
... ... ... You're being Rational again: "please stop these childish scams. This is
juvenile." You're appealing to hardened criminals.
I commend you for moderation and compassion, but if these people were to be redeemed it
would have happened before the FED, the Great Depression (read Wayne Jett), the assassination
of JFK and RFK, Tonkin, 911, 2008 and God know what more.
"... The methodology is familiar. After a years-long assault on the White House and president by a special prosecutor's office, the House takes up impeachment, while a collaborationist press plays its traditional supporting role. ..."
The campaign to overturn the 2016 election and bring down President Trump shifted into high
gear this week.
Inspiration came Saturday morning from the altar of the National Cathedral where our
establishment came to pay homage to John McCain.
Gathered there were all the presidents from 1993 to 2017, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and
Barack Obama, Vice Presidents Al Gore and Dick Cheney, Secretaries of State Hillary Clinton,
John Kerry and Henry Kissinger, the leaders of both houses of Congress, and too many generals
and admirals to list.
Striding into the pulpit, Obama delivered a searing indictment of the man undoing his
legacy:
"So much of our politics, our public life, our public discourse can seem small and mean and
petty, trafficking in bombast and insult and phony controversies and manufactured outrage. It's
a politics that pretends to be brave and tough but in fact is born of fear."
Speakers praised McCain's willingness to cross party lines, but Democrats took away a new
determination: From here on out, confrontation!
Tuesday morning, as Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Judge Brett Kavanaugh's
nomination to the Supreme Court began, Democrats disrupted the proceedings and demanded
immediate adjournment, as scores of protesters shouted and screamed to halt the hearings.
Taking credit for orchestrating the disruption, Sen. Dick Durbin boasted, "What we've heard
is the noise of democracy."
But if mob action to shut down a Senate hearing is the noise of democracy, this may explain
why many countries are taking a new look at the authoritarian rulers who can at least deliver a
semblance of order.
Wednesday came leaks in The Washington Post from Bob Woodward's new book, attributing to
Chief of Staff John Kelly and Gen. James Mattis crude remarks on the president's intelligence,
character and maturity, and describing the Trump White House as a "crazytown" led by a fifth-
or sixth-grader.
Kelly and Mattis both denied making the comments.
Thursday came an op-ed in The New York Times by an anonymous "senior official" claiming to
be a member of the "resistance working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his
(Trump's) agenda."
A pedestrian piece of prose containing nothing about Trump one cannot read or hear daily in
the media, the op-ed caused a sensation, but only because Times editors decided to give the
disloyal and seditious Trump aide who wrote it immunity and cover to betray his or her
president.
The transaction served the political objectives of both parties.
While the Woodward book may debut at the top of The New York Times best-seller list, and
"Anonymous," once ferreted out and fired, will have his or her 15 minutes of fame, what this
portends is not good.
For what is afoot here is something America specializes in -- regime change. Only the regime
our establishment and media mean to change is the government of the United States. What is
afoot is the overthrow of America's democratically elected head of state.
The methodology is familiar. After a years-long assault on the White House and president
by a special prosecutor's office, the House takes up impeachment, while a collaborationist
press plays its traditional supporting role.
Presidents are wounded, disabled or overthrown, and Pulitzers all around.
ORDER IT NOW
No one suggests Richard Nixon was without sin in trying to cover up the Watergate break-in.
But no one should delude himself into believing that the overthrow of that president, not two
years after he won the greatest landslide in U.S. history, was not an act of vengeance by a
hate-filled city that ran a sword through Nixon for offenses it had covered up or brushed under
the rug in the Roosevelt, Kennedy and Johnson years.
So, where are we headed?
If November's elections produce, as many predict, a Democratic House, there will be more
investigations of President Trump than any man charged with running the U.S. government may be
able to manage.
There is the Mueller investigation into "Russiagate" that began before Trump was
inaugurated. There is the investigation of his business and private life before he became
president in the Southern District of New York. There is the investigation into the Trump
Foundation by New York State.
There will be investigations by House committees into alleged violations of the Emoluments
Clause. And ever present will be platoons of journalists ready to report the leaks from all of
these investigations.
Then, if media coverage can drive Trump's polls low enough, will come the impeachment
investigation and the regurgitation of all that went before.
If Trump has the stamina to hold on, and the Senate remains Republican, he may survive, even
as Democrats divide between a rising militant socialist left and the Democrats' septuagenarian
caucus led by Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Bernie Sanders and Nancy Pelosi.
2019 looks to be the year of bellum omnium contra omnes, the war of all against all.
Entertaining, for sure, but how many more of these coups d'etat can the Republic sustain before
a new generation says enough of all this?
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of "Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That Made and
Broke a President and Divided America Forever."
Just for the record -- not that we're keeping one -- I strongly suspect that that NYT Op Ed
by an "insider" is almost entirely fraudulent. OK, there might be an assistant to the
assistant undersecretary in charge of cutting the grass at the White House who will be
willing to put her name at the bottom of this thing, thereby giving the Times an "out" in
terms of committing outright journalistic perjury.
But who's going to call these people on it? The Times themselves? CNN? The Washington
Post? The Huffington Post?
What consequences will they suffer? Will the rabid dog leftists who read the
aforementioned periodicals suddenly do an about-face and abandon their leftist religion
because of journalistic fraud?
Of course not.
They'll just move on to the next "scandal" (almost certainly based on anonymous sources or
triple hearsay).
I think Trump is his own worst enemy. It is his incompetence that is fueling all these calls
for impeachment. He should have fired Mueller long time ago. The screaming could not have
been any worse. I don't think he comprehends the seriousness of the current situation. He
doesn't realize that he is the president. He has fallen into the trap of anti-Russian
rhetoric while I know he does not believe any of it.
He should never have hired John Bolton or Pompeo. For God's sakes; he appointed all these
heads of Departments, CIA, FBI, DNI, etc. and none of them can control his own department. He
is letting others control his agenda and his foreign policy. If it weren't for Pence, I would
prefer impeachment at this time because he is making the US a laughing stalk of the world.
But Pence scares me even more.
Acts 3:25 "He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be
blessed.'"
By the way, God's covenant with Abraham included Ishmael, who was also his offspring. The
Jews have altered the bible to make the covenant with Isaac only, as they have done with the
sacrifice of the "only son."
So far the only 2 senior officials who have not come out to deny writing the op-ed are John
Kelly and Nikki Haley, both are highly suspect at this point. John Kelly gave all those
disparaging accounts of the president to Bob Woodward then tried to deny it. Nikki Haley's
been running her own dog and pony show at the UN for two years, clashing with Trump more than
once for wanting to take out Assad. She takes her orders directly from the Prime Minister of
Israel, Trump who?
This NYTimes hit piece shows clearly the existence of a Deep State that is actively
working to subvert and overthrow a democratically elected POTUS. The Deep State must be
defeated for America to survive, but the only way to defeat the Deep State is through a
functioning DOJ. Jeff Sessions must now be considered part of the Deep State, along with
Pence and all the people Pence brought into Trump's cabinet when he was in charged of setting
up the interim government, from John Kelly to Mattis, Haley, Bolton, Kirstjen Nielsen,
Christopher Wray, Mike Pompeo, and above all Rod Rosenstein -- all are neocon Deep State
stooges and big time swamp creatures.
@Iris"Marshall
Sam Shama, boasted here at U.R. about his being a Nazi Hunter and having collared a few."
Well, that's extraordinary, because in his comment 201 above, Sam Shama said:
"How do the Wiesenthals and the Klarsfelds, whoever they are, depend on everyday
Jews?"
As you know, French-Israeli Serge Klarsfeld and his German wife Beate are the most famous
"Nazi hunters" in Europe. They formed an association which located and brought to "justice"
some of the most famous names involved in Nazi occupation (Bousquet, Barbie, Papon,
Touvier,...).
How come Sam Shama doesn't know these most famous comrades? Split personality?
Schizophrenia? Pseudonym swapping? :-) :-)
https://images.sudouest.fr/2014/12/03/57ebc98866a4bd6726a8263e/widescreen/1000x500/serge-et-beate-klarsfeld-au-memorial-de-la-shoah.jpg
The famous comrades, and specifically the Simon Weisenthal Center of Nazi-hunters, suddenly
gone AWOL as soon as the US zionists began their mutually beneficial cooperation with
neo-Nazi in Ukraine.
Moreover, it seems that the Wiesenthals and the Klarsfelds simply melted away and
evaporated as soon as the Jewish State began sending the Israel-made weaponry to the neo-Nazi
in Ukraine.
The miserable Anti-Defamation League (of the anti-democratic methods) is now on a spot for
doing nothing with regard to the murderous activities (including the openly
anti-Jewish activities) of the neo-Nazis in Ukraine (the Kaganat of Nuland is a de facto
protectorate of the US). It seems that for the ADL, there are certain precious neo-Nazi (the
Israel-supported neo-Nazis in Ukraine) and the "bad" Nazis whose image has been helping the
ADL and the Wiesenthals and the Klarsfelds to demonstrate their allegiance to Jewish
"principles," while making good gesheft (reparation-extortion) on the tragedy of the WWII for
holo-biz.
There is more for the oh-so-sensitive crowd of holocaustians: The prime minister of
Ukraine (where the Nazism has been enjoying its very visible renaissance since 2014) is a
Jewish man Volodymyr Groysman who was miraculously "elected" by Ukrainians in 2016. It is
well known that Ukrainians en masse are not terribly predisposed towards the Jews: https://worldpolicy.org/2014/03/03/fears-of-anti-semitism-spread-in-ukraine/
To recap: The Jewish State and the US/EU zionists have been cultivating the close
relationships and collaboration with neo-Nazi leaders in Ukraine. Take note that none of the
Jewish Nazi collaborators has been punished for the material and political support of the
neo-Nazi movement in Eastern Europe. Why the EU puts people in jail for making an honest
research in the WWII but allows the zionists to support the neo-Nazi is not easy to
understand, considering the influence of the thoroughly dishonest and unprincipled Jewish
Lobby.
@Sam Shama On the
contrary. You haven't responded to the substantial issues from my first post, where I showed
that the CDN list did contain many Jewish names; your mealy-mouthed, code-worded, phrasing
notwithstanding.
Speaking of giving it a rest, I would think it is you who should consider it. Antisemitism
is a serious matter, Phillip. "Antisemitism is a serious matter, Phillip."
– Tell it to Bibi and the Kagans clan: https://worldpolicy.org/2014/03/03/fears-of-anti-semitism-spread-in-ukraine/
"FEARS OF ANTI-SEMITISM SPREAD IN UKRAINE"
@Sam Shama I don't
usually like taking retirees to task, but you are a special case. You actually threaten Jews
with harm every so often in idiotic, thinly veiled language. You should contemplate that.
"You actually threaten Jews with harm "
– Don't project. Your Jewish State and your zionist stink-tanks in the US/UK are the
greatest danger to the decent Jews.
"Israel is arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine:" https://countercurrents.org/2018/07/05/israel-is-arming-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/
One of the main financiers of the neo-Nazi formation "Azov" an Israeli citizen Kolomojsky:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-47564dbc32c28a68f9407fd689f6b3c8-c
I keep telling you Sam that you aren't too smart everything you say just reinforces
everything that is criticized about your tribe ..and you just keep right on giving us more
proof.
First, I have no tribe. Merely logging and attempting to introduce a modicum of
balance in these flagrant displays of hatred.
Second, I don't claim any particular advantage in the department of smarts; only doing my
bit for the advancement of the various causes of humanity. In that, I am sure you claim
primacy, but do you know who said the following: "It is a profitable thing, if one is wise,
to seem foolish." Google's your friend. " flagrant displays of hatred "
– Listen to your Moldovan thug Avi Lieberman and your no less thuggish justice minister
Ayelet Shaked to get the real "flagrant displays of hatred:"
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/new-israeli-justice-minister-called-for-genocide-of-palestinians/article/432659
"Shaked made international headlines when she posted a highly controversial unpublished
article by the late Uri Elitzur, a close Netanyahu ally and an early leader of the movement
by Jewish settlers to colonize occupied Palestinian territories The post asserted that "the
entire Palestinian people is the enemy" and advocated genocide against the entire nation,
"including its elderly women, its cities and its villages, its property and its
infrastructure." Some excerpts: " They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on
all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers they should follow their sons [to
hell], nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they
raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."
– Don't you like the facts of the Jewish State's financial, logistical, and military
support for ISIS / Al Qaeda ?
https://www.sott.net/article/386618-US-and-Israel-will-not-allow-the-elimination-of-Al-Qaeda-and-ISIS-in-southern-Syria-The-solution-is-Syrian-resistance
@annamaria The
famous comrades, and specifically the Simon Weisenthal Center of Nazi-hunters, suddenly gone
AWOL as soon as the US zionists began their mutually beneficial cooperation with neo-Nazi in
Ukraine.
Moreover, it seems that the Wiesenthals and the Klarsfelds simply melted away and evaporated
as soon as the Jewish State began sending the Israel-made weaponry to the neo-Nazi in
Ukraine.
The miserable Anti-Defamation League (of the anti-democratic methods) is now on a spot for
doing nothing with regard to the murderous activities (including the openly
anti-Jewish activities) of the neo-Nazis in Ukraine (the Kaganat of Nuland is a de facto
protectorate of the US). It seems that for the ADL, there are certain precious neo-Nazi (the
Israel-supported neo-Nazis in Ukraine) and the "bad" Nazis whose image has been helping the
ADL and the Wiesenthals and the Klarsfelds to demonstrate their allegiance to Jewish
"principles," while making good gesheft (reparation-extortion) on the tragedy of the WWII for
holo-biz.
There is more for the oh-so-sensitive crowd of holocaustians: The prime minister of Ukraine
(where the Nazism has been enjoying its very visible renaissance since 2014) is a Jewish man
Volodymyr Groysman who was miraculously "elected" by Ukrainians in 2016. It is well known
that Ukrainians en masse are not terribly predisposed towards the Jews:
https://worldpolicy.org/2014/03/03/fears-of-anti-semitism-spread-in-ukraine/
To recap: The Jewish State and the US/EU zionists have been cultivating the close
relationships and collaboration with neo-Nazi leaders in Ukraine. Take note that none of the
Jewish Nazi collaborators has been punished for the material and political support of the
neo-Nazi movement in Eastern Europe. Why the EU puts people in jail for making an honest
research in the WWII but allows the zionists to support the neo-Nazi is not easy to
understand, considering the influence of the thoroughly dishonest and unprincipled Jewish
Lobby. " it seems that the Wiesenthals and the Klarsfelds simply melted away and
evaporated as soon as the Jewish State began sending the Israel-made weaponry to the neo-Nazi
in Ukraine."
- 1- Indeed. The Klarsfelds don't open their big lecturing gob neither when Jewish French
citizens, born and brought up in France, with no links to Palestine, volunteer and join the
IDF to murder Palestinians. They are the higher share of IDF volunteers, ahead of Jewish US
citizens.
A war crime in broad daylight: French-Israeli IDF soldier coldly shooting in the head
wounded 21-year old Palestinian Abd Al Fatah Al Sharif.
- 2- Simon Wiesenthal, as you know, was an utter fraud and one of the biggest conmen of
the century. Among his many lies is his so-called incarceration at Auschwitz. Former members
of the German Army even stated that he was a collaborator.
- 3- I'll finish on a cheerful note , and a very good illustration of MSM's double
standards. Unreported by the press, unlike Corbyn's elusive anti-semitism, Ukraine's
Parliament Speaker has just declared that "Hitler was the biggest democrat". One can't make
this up.
Talking of 5th column, lest forget the solid one in the UK.
Deep State's mouthpiece "The Telegraph" had dedicated several articles to the
identification of alleged Skripal Novichok poisoners, named as two Russian nationals who
briefly entered the UK under the aliases Petrov and Beshorov.
Sycophantic PM Theresa May has gone as far as stating that the suspects are GRU agents,
and pointing the finger at President Putin.
Jeremy Corbyn is being hounded because he is very reserved about the Novichok story.
The UK government is fully embedded with Zionist Israel. This cock-and-bull story, which
details have been nonetheless very well presented, is a very alarming hint that something is
in preparation against Russia, either directly in Syrian, or less directly in the
Ukraine.
@Iris Talking of
5th column, lest forget the solid one in the UK.
Deep State's mouthpiece "The Telegraph" had dedicated several articles to the
identification of alleged Skripal Novichok poisoners, named as two Russian nationals who
briefly entered the UK under the aliases Petrov and Beshorov.
Sycophantic PM Theresa May has gone as far as stating that the suspects are GRU agents,
and pointing the finger at President Putin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VqSJCa7RA
Jeremy Corbyn is being hounded because he is very reserved about the Novichok story.
The UK government is fully embedded with Zionist Israel. This cock-and-bull story, which
details have been nonetheless very well presented, is a very alarming hint that something is
in preparation against Russia, either directly in Syrian, or less directly in the Ukraine.
Novichock poisoning false flag (Continued).
A possible explanation of the Novichok story being spun at the moment in the UK is that a
Western/Israeli military attack on Syria is in preparation to stop the Arab Syrian Army from
entering Idlib, the last terrorist stronghold.
Such Western intervention requires the pretext of a chemical attack, that will be staged
in the field by the proxy White Helmets, while UK public opinion will be subdued with
terrorising stories of weapons of mass destruction.
This same pretext was used for the April 2018 Western bombing of Syria. This bombing was
aimed at hitting key Syrian targets, but its scale was finally limited by the intervention of
General Mattis, who dreaded reciprocated actions against the 3000 US servicemen present in
Syria.
"The White Helmets (and an alleged chemical attack) are the last hope for regime change
in Syria"
Very interesting interview of former UK Ambassador Ford by SyrianGirl:
One day after Theresa May's Novichok show at the British Parliament , France's Chief of
Military Staff Francois Lecointre has declared that France is ready to strike Syria should
she dare a "chemical attack" on Idlib.
Both poodles each side of the Channel are barking in synchronism; Israel is pulling on the
leashes and something bad is in preparation.
Here is Francois Lecointre in his brown uniform. Unknown to us stupid plebeians, France
must be surrounded by steppes and deserts for brown to have been chosen as camouflage
colour.
That has been my take on affairs sine some time: Trump is just the mouthpiece of, and strong-armed by the Media Military Industrial Intelligence Complex (MMIIC).
Full disclosure: I despise Trump for a great number of reasons.
Even fuller disclosure: I despise with a vengeance the Intel community, which has taken over the media and the DNC and are
the Jesuits of the MIC.
"... "Just get rid of Trump and you'll have a nice, neat, ultra-right-wing Republican as President." No need for that Diana – for what you describe is what we presently enjoy in the form of the current President, most especially as it relates to his efforts to bring "peace" to regions such as the Mideast. ..."
"... It is becoming something of a dark joke listening to Trump's apologists endlessly repeat the meme that those opposed to him represent "war" – while he is our hope for "peace" (despite his never demonstrating one iota of that sort of behavior). ..."
"... With every further, obvious display of the President's shocking belligerence towards countries that do not threaten the United States and in areas and matters where it possesses no valid security interests, the Diana Johnstones of this world spin the prayer wheel faster, repeat their mantras more urgently and come up with some silly excuses for why what we observe from Trump is not really what we observe. "It's not Trump – it's every one around him. You must believe us!" ..."
"... There's no need for 4- and 5-D chess masters to interpret Trump – what we sees is what we gots. If there's a "conspiracy" anywhere, it's among those unwilling to remark the obvious ..."
We gave Trump the presidency, what he does with it is his responsibility. He was warned
repeatedly about the neocons et al, but has chosen to staff up with the same swamp creatures
he ostensibly meant to expurgate.
We are left to wonder how much of this "reality" TV?
"Just get rid of Trump and you'll have a nice, neat, ultra-right-wing Republican as
President." No need for that Diana – for what you describe is what we presently enjoy in the
form of the current President, most especially as it relates to his efforts to bring "peace"
to regions such as the Mideast.
It is becoming something of a dark joke listening to Trump's apologists endlessly repeat
the meme that those opposed to him represent "war" – while he is our hope for "peace"
(despite his never demonstrating one iota of that sort of behavior).
With every further, obvious display of the President's shocking belligerence towards
countries that do not threaten the United States and in areas and matters where it possesses
no valid security interests, the Diana Johnstones of this world spin the prayer wheel faster,
repeat their mantras more urgently and come up with some silly excuses for why what we
observe from Trump is not really what we observe. "It's not Trump – it's every one
around him. You must believe us!"
There's no need for 4- and 5-D chess masters to interpret Trump – what we sees is
what we gots. If there's a "conspiracy" anywhere, it's among those unwilling to remark the
obvious.
The Taliban says that in order to end "this long war" the "lone option is to end the
occupation of Afghanistan and nothing more."
In June, the
17th American nominated to take command of the war, Lieutenant General Scott Miller,
appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee where Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) grilled him
on what he would do differently in order to bring the conflict to a conclusion. "I cannot
guarantee you a timeline or an end date," was Miller's confident reply .
Did the senators then send him packing? Hardly. He was, in fact, easily confirmed and starts
work this month. Nor is there any chance Congress will use its power of the purse to end the
war. The 2019 budget request for U.S. operations in Afghanistan -- topping out at
$46.3 billion -- will certainly be approved.
#Winning
All of this seeming futility brings us back to the Vietnam War, Kissinger, and that magic
number, 4,000,000,029,057 -- as well as the question of what an American military victory would
look like today. It might surprise you, but it turns out that winning wars is still
possible and, perhaps even more surprising, the U.S. military seems to be doing just that.
Let me explain.
In Vietnam, that military aimed to "
out-guerrilla the guerrilla ." It never did and the United States suffered a crushing
defeat. Henry Kissinger -- who presided over the last years of that conflict as national
security advisor and then secretary of state -- provided his own
concise take on one of the core tenets of asymmetric warfare: "The conventional army loses
if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose." Perhaps because that eternally
well-regarded but hapless statesman articulated it, that formula was bound -- like so
much else he
touched -- to crash
and burn .
In this century, the United States has found a way to turn Kissinger's martial maxim on its
head and so rewrite the axioms of armed conflict. This redefinition can be proved by a simple
equation:
Expressed differently, the United States has not won a major conflict since 1945; has a
trillion-dollar national security budget; has had 17 military commanders in the last 17
years in Afghanistan, a country plagued by 23,744 "
security incidents " (the most ever recorded) in 2017 alone; has spent around
$3 trillion , primarily on that war and the rest of the war on terror, including the
ongoing conflict in Iraq, which then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld swore , in 2002, would be
over in only "five days or five weeks or five months," but where approximately
5,000 U.S. troops remain today; and yet 74% of the American people still express high
confidence in the U.S. military.
Let the math and the implications wash over you for a moment. Such a calculus definitively
disproves the notion that "the conventional army loses if it does not win." It also helps
answer the question of victory in the war on terror. It turns out that the U.S. military, whose
budget and influence in Washington have only grown in these years, now wins simply by not
losing -- a multi-trillion-dollar conventional army held to the standards of success once
applied only to under-armed, under-funded guerilla groups.
Unlike in the Vietnam War years, three presidents and the Pentagon, unbothered by fiscal
constraints, substantive congressional opposition, or a significant antiwar movement, have been
effectively pursuing this strategy, which requires nothing more than a steady supply of troops,
contractors, and other assorted camp followers; an endless parade of Senate-sanctioned
commanders; and an annual outlay of hundreds of billions of dollars. By these standards, Donald
Trump's open-ended, timetable-free "Strategy in Afghanistan and South Asia" may prove to be the
winningest war plan ever. As he described it:
"From now on, victory will have a clear definition: attacking our enemies, obliterating
ISIS, crushing al-Qaeda, preventing the Taliban from taking over Afghanistan, and stopping mass
terror attacks against America before they emerge."
Think about that for a moment. Victory's definition begins with "attacking our enemies" and
ends with the prevention of possible terror attacks. Let me reiterate: "victory" is defined as
"attacking our enemies." Under President Trump's strategy, it seems, every time the U.S. bombs
or shells or shoots at a member of one of those 20-plus terror groups in Afghanistan, the U.S.
is winning or, perhaps, has won. And this strategy is not specifically Afghan-centric. It can
easily be applied to American warzones in the Middle East and Africa -- anywhere, really.
Decades after the end of the Vietnam War, the U.S. military has finally solved the conundrum
of how to "out-guerrilla the guerrilla." And it couldn't have been simpler. You just adopt the
same definition of victory. As a result, a conventional army -- at least the U.S. military --
now loses only if it stops fighting. So long as unaccountable commanders wage benchmark-free
wars without congressional constraint, the United States simply cannot lose. You can't argue
with the math. Call it the rule of 4,000,000,029,057.
That calculus and that sum also prove, quite clearly, that America's beleaguered
commander-in-chief has gotten a raw deal on his victory parade. With apologies to the American
Legion, the U.S. military is now -- under the new rules of warfare -- triumphant and deserves
the type of celebration proposed by President Trump. After almost two decades of warfare, the
armed forces have lowered the bar for victory to the level of their enemy, the Taliban. What
was once the mark of failure for a conventional army is now the benchmark for success. It's a
remarkable feat and deserving, at the very least, of furious flag-waving, ticker
tape , and all the age-old trappings of victory.
Military conquests are the most ephemeral. Colonisation lasts longer. A mere century or two
in the case of Europeans. But even 900 years was not sufficient for Greeks to remove the
military n cultural threat posed by the Semites n Iranians of Southwest Asia, from
Alexander's conquest in 323 BC till the Muslim "reconquista" of 632 AD. Only demographic
"conquest" works in the end. If your women are not out-reproducing their women, then your
military will fail spectacularly n quickly, as what had once been your population transforms
into theirs. At that point, far from victory parades, you get to see statues to your former
heros torn down, n the highest "patriotism" becomes enthusiastically opening the gates to
what had once been your people's deadliest enemies.
1. keep Israhell on the map.
2. keep oil-producers taking dollars and only dollars for their oil
3. keep the CIA's poppy fields in Afghanistan in full production
on 1: ongoing victory, Israhell is still there
on2: Iraq and Libya back on the petrodollar, Iran pending
on3: ongoing victory, CIA drug ops proceeding normally
in ZOG-ruled 'Murka, every day is a day of new victories.
Mr. Turse is a comic. What a beautiful summary of the situation.
See a group, Imagine a possible threat, if both occur, bingo group =converts to
=>terrorist
and each member converts to a subliminal threat. Imagine the psychology that can be applied
to that bit of information to produce next day propaganda. Let us not forget the real media
that displays the propaganda is owned by just 6 entities; global access to knowledge and real
truth is gated and directed by search engine magic these two facts are IMO a real global
threat to humanity.
Win by not losing/ In such a scenario increasing numbers in a terror group or increasing
numbers of, or broadening the global distribution of terror groups produces more terror
fodder. The competent imagination derives its threats from terror fodder ( fodder fits any
size imagination).
When ever it is needed, proof of any non self-inflicted terrorism can be conjured from the
imagination. As Mr Turse says proof of terrorism can be found in the definition, proof of
victory can be found in the attack (as Mr. Turse so adequately expressed), and both are
recorded in the history of terrorism, which can be found in the daily media presentations and
the MSM annual report "Dollars Spent Chasing Terrorist from the Imagination". a joint
publication of the Internationally linked intelligence services and the global college of
paranoia producing propaganda.
victory is found in the attack because dollars start to flow; the more dollars the greater
the victory.
But how much of this would be possible if the reserve currency were no longer the dollar?
What will happen when Russia, China, Iran and others produce a new reserve currency or
displace existing reserve currencies by assigning exchange value to the currency of each
nation? The issuer of reserve currency measures its money supply by the checks he writes
[their checks never bounce], everyone else measures their currency by the amount of the
reserve currency they are able to keep in the bank ( to prevent their checks from
bouncing].
@Sean
Because although Health and Education Keynesianisn would work as well as the Military
variant, it also leads to an organised population mobilising for social change. And while
wars do end eventually, social spending seems to increase over time without limit. I was
almost sold on that explanation to my honest question, until the phrase
wars do end eventually
Would wars "ending eventually", not render the MIC obsolete? Is it not the MIC that
thrives on perpetual wars with seemingly endless supplies of cash to fund their wars? Even in
periods of relative calm (if ever, since WWII that is), is it not the constant threat of war
that keeps the military monstrosity grinding away?
74% of Americans express high confidence in their military? I wonder if 74% of Americans are
even aware that we're at war. I read somewhere that U.S. generals now define victory as
getting the Taliban to the bargaining table.
"out-guerrilla the guerrilla." was coined by Col. David Hackworth as out "G" ing the G and
was shown to work in the Delta. Read his book "About Face" or "Steel my soldiers hearts"
Elites, read Bolsheviks or Freemasons win no war, they do not win over diseases, crime, idiot
bla, bla. They are making money on them and they always turn to both sides. To the criminal
gangsters, to the associations of the sick, to the losers in war, they can win in 20 years,
etc. etc. This article is foam, foam. The Elites are trying to do everything and nobody
understands anything, so the elite wins – the banker always has his blood money.
the United States has not won a major conflict since 1945; has a trillion-dollar
national security budget; has had 17 military commanders in the last 17 years in
Afghanistan, a country plagued by 23,744 "security incidents" (the most ever recorded) in
2017 alone; has spent around $3 trillion, primarily on that war and the rest of the war on
terror, including the ongoing conflict in Iraq, which then-defense secretary Donald
Rumsfeld swore, in 2002, would be over in only "five days or five weeks or five months,"
but where approximately 5,000 U.S. troops remain today; and yet 74% of the American people
still express high confidence in the U.S. military.
Let me correct that 1st sentence for you: the United States has not REPEATED THE MISTAKE
OF WINNING a major conflict since 1945.
Why? Because as they quickly discovered, WW2 was the best thing that ever happened to the
US economy, and that lots more money is made fighting wars than winning one, as proven by the
above quoted figures.
December 24, 2013 The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases
The US Military has bases in *63* countries. According to Gelman, who examined 2005
official Pentagon data, the US is thought to own a total of *737* bases in foreign lands.
Hi Nick Turse,
Given OBL and Afghanistan Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11 terror attacks, it appears
likely that the W. Bush regime launched war upon the Taliban exclusively for geopolitical
interests, minerals, i.e., lithium, and construction of natural gas pipelines directed
southeast to the subcontinent, India.
Fyi, approximately seven years ago, I saw a U.S. Veterans informational map which identified
the Neo-"Grunts" military bases as within close proximity to pipeline construction.
Consequently, for me, I see US military's incessant stay in "the graveyard of Empires" as a
stilted profit & loss (P&L) "'victory," but of course there's no (!) dividend for
dumb goyim American citizens, but voila, oodles for global energy companies, untouchable
Military-Industrial-$ecurity Complex, & killing "Poppy Fields," including Moneychanger
pharmaceutical-opioid trade!
In short, the incredible cost for U.S. military's GWOT & advanced targeting of Russia is
diabolically placed upon future generations of American taxpayers who, at the moment-of-their
birth, are in debt, & the Mom and Pop' "victory" is incarnate in a 'guvmint CHIP
card.
ZUSA wars "victory" is in the pockets of P&L-benefactors, and on Sunday afternoons, one
can feel the "bern" when fighter jets flyover NFL stadiums!
Thanks for the education, Mr. Turse!
@jilles
dykstra It did not in the civilised societies of north and western Europe. The nordic "
model " is dead , and it has been a bad example to the world . Sweden has 10 million people ,
Norway 4 , Danmark 6 . These little countries can not be a valid model for anyone .
Like Toynbee said nordics are kind of a failed egoistic subcivilization of the germans ,
english of russians , with which they never had the courage to integrate . They seem to be
happy in their autistic cold world , pretending to be a showroom for the UN perverts .
As to Vietnam the author is just clueless. Where was the so called crushing defeat? When we
Americans pulled out in 1971 to 1972 the NVA was still stymied and impotent. Our so called
allies hated us totally and the feeling was mutual. We actually had no allies in Vietnam
except the savage yard tribes. But yes after we pulled out the South collapsed fast as we
knew they would. They got exactly what they deserved. But it was a South Vietnamese defeat.
By 1975 our armies were long gone. Repeat, there were no American divisions, battallions or
platoons to lose. We were gone.
We still do not know exactly what Kissinger got from the Chinese at Paris in 1971-2, but
he and Nixon seemed happy enough, and we pulled out and ceded Vietnam. We do know this was
the exact time China began to cooperate with us in the Cold War against the Bolsheviks.
Specifically, we know the Chinese allowed our B-52′s, loaded with nukes, to overfly,
all along the Soviet border, and this continued to 1987, when the game was already up.
"... "We killed them out of a certain naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own "' ..."
"... Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's -- and his own profession's -- servitude to Israeli interests.' ..."
"... It is terrifying but both US warmongering and Israeli control will only end when the dollar system collapses. That's a very sad thing to say but Israel will abandon the US like a used condom if the US fails economically. ..."
An Israeli journalist stated over 20 years ago that 'the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media [are] in our
hands'. His words were picked up by Joseph Sobran:
'In an essay reprinted in the May 27, 1996, issue of the New York Times Ari Shavit, an Israeli columnist, reflected
sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more than a hundred Lebanese civilians in April.
"We killed them out of a certain
naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in
our hands, the lives of others do not count as much as our own "'
Sobran observes that 'this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than for what it tells us about America. Frank
discussion of Israel is permitted in Israel, as Mr Shavit's article illustrates. It's rarely permitted here.
Charges of anti-Semitism
and a quiet but very effective boycott will be the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's -- and
his own profession's -- servitude to Israeli interests.'
It is terrifying but both US warmongering and Israeli control will only end when the dollar system collapses. That's a very
sad thing to say but Israel will abandon the US like a used condom if the US fails economically.
"... So the strategy is obvious: Scare Russia with how big your defense budget is, even if you have nothing to show for it. And if 1 trillion can't do the trick, I don't see why 2 trillion shouldn't be able to accomplish the task – winning Cold war 2. ..."
"... The US are perfectly capable by themselves alone in finding a new source of pride in the fact how much they can (ill) afford to spend on the military, thus they want to ensure that on their way to oblivion, history will marvel at what a powerful country they used to be – spending amounts of money on the military that no one else was able to match. ..."
"... Yes, Putin managed to change the world quietly, to the helpless chagrin of the Empire. The fact that the Empire is now using the lowliest scum, like jihadi head choppers and "svidomie" Nazis, shows that it is reduced to hysterics and tantrums. ..."
"... So, if in Cold War 2.0 Putin is using the strategy the US used in Cold War 1.0, he is outsmarting his adversaries admirably. ..."
"... It might be even worse for the Empire and its lackeys. The US and other NATO armies would be totally incapacitated by the absence of bathroom tissue. ..."
"... You need to start with the premise that the US Zioglob wants to destroy Syria and Iran – and you have to take them seriously since much of the Middle East has already been targeted, and is lying in ruins ..."
"... Russia's part in this is that it gets in the way. Without Russian support, Assad and the Iranians would probably already be gone, and Syria would be some kind of ISIS run hellhole ..."
"... But overall, it's unreal that this is happening. If the US attacks Russian warships off the Syrian coast, then things could get completely out of control. ..."
"... Israel would not let America do anything that might start a nuclear war. ..."
"... FSB operational group is in Donetsk now and is dealing with this murder. This is the start of the official recognition of the LDNR–initially as independent entities and, eventually, rejoining Russia. It is especially remarkable after even Kiev admitting a demographic and labor catastrophe, which also feed-backs and drives the whole country into the oblivion even faster. That, plus US military "advisers" are already in place in Ukraine. 2019 is not far away and US wants to "sell" own toxic asset as high as possible. ..."
"... Is the outbreak of nuclear war possible? Of course it is possible, it always is–the main measure of it is how probable this outbreak is. This is way above my pay-grade level, but I will reiterate–Russia is aware of the US and where it stands on the order (if not two) of magnitude more than it is the other way around. Russians actually study the US and I saw a vast improvement of Russian Americanistika in the last 10 years. Dramatic really. On the other end well ..."
"... As far as Israel is concerned, you don't need to target anything in particular: one 500 kiloton device (or a few smaller ones) would wipe the whole Israel off the map (Arabs need not rejoice: that puny territory won't be usable for any mammals for a few thousand years). One can only hope that Israelis and the US neocons don't have a death wish and won't let things to go that far. ..."
"... The US strategy is to make Russia bleed internally with aggressive and violent Military occupations directly as in Syria and by proxy in the Ukraine ..Could this not lead to a coup in Russia? ..."
"... Dempsey and Michael Flynn (while he was head of the DIA) sabotaging the CIA and State department policy on overthrowing Assad the Idiot (he put up the price of basic necessities while the Arab spring was going on) was the origin of Russia gate, the CIA hated Flynn. ..."
"... The US "strategy" on Russia is written by dated "products" of the US "humanities" field, by amateurs and by ignoramuses – that is why US "strategy" on Russia is easily identifiable as one huge tantrum and is exhibit A of how not TO conduct military and foreign policies. In fact, I expect at some point of time many a Ph.D theses written on that–a fascinating topic of a country ran by people with maturity level of teenagers. As per coup–wanna see one? Open any US MSM newspaper or watch any MSM news. ..."
"... I fear you're underestimating the power of messianic delusions. The country with leaders speaking of the End of History, the Moral Arc of History, etc., is not a country with a generalized ability to accept equal status among competing powers. ..."
"... While it may be the case that there are serious people who seriously understand the situation, the default assumption among Regime players is that USG is on top, and this will continue for ever . ..."
"... The other is geopolitical: I strongly suspect that Putin wants to use Donbass as a lever to push Ukraine to a sensible position of neutrality internationally and federation internally. If so, good luck to him: that would make Ukraine viable. ..."
"... I don't know about goats, but naturally radiation-resistant rodents and insects would have been grateful to neocons, if they knew who to thank for gifting them the whole Earth as a kingdom. ..."
"... I fear you're underestimating the power of messianic delusions. The country with leaders speaking of the End of History, the Moral Arc of History, etc., is not a country with a generalized ability to accept equal status among competing powers. ..."
"... Yes, it's definitely a tricky situation living in a large country run by criminals and madmen. ..."
"... If not for nuclear weapons, things would be much simpler, and once they eventually got a bloody military nose, there might be a popular uprising, probably leading to the wholesale massacre of all our ruling political, financial, and intellectual elites. This would definitely serve them right and also provide excellent business to Chinese guillotine-manufacturers. But with nukes in the hands of madmen, a positive outcome is much more doubtful, so I guess there's not all that much we can do except sit around and worry. ..."
I am sorry Andrei, but I am going to have to disagree with your assessment of the current
situation. I think that the US strategy is very sound and its aims are obvious. Since they
can't win any "hot" war of any significance, they decided to lure Russia into Cold war 2. And
we all know who "won" Cold war 1.
Basically the strategy is: Focus on the "wars" that you can "win", instead on the ones
that you can't. And the way they intend to "win" Cold war 2 is the same like they "won" Cold
war 1 – outspend Russia on defense.
For a few years now, the Americans are bragging that their yearly increases in the
military budget are bigger than the total Russian military budget. US now spend around 1
trillion on defense, while Russia is what – in the 50-60 billion range?
So the strategy is obvious: Scare Russia with how big your defense budget is, even if you
have nothing to show for it. And if 1 trillion can't do the trick, I don't see why 2 trillion
shouldn't be able to accomplish the task – winning Cold war 2.
The only difference between Cold war 1 and 2 is that USSR tried to match the spending of
US in Cold war 1 -that's what bankrupted them. This time around, the Russians don't even have
to pretend that they are trying to match US military budget.
The US are perfectly capable by themselves alone in finding a new source of pride in the
fact how much they can (ill) afford to spend on the military, thus they want to ensure that
on their way to oblivion, history will marvel at what a powerful country they used to be
– spending amounts of money on the military that no one else was able to match.
Your argument is nonsensical and uninformed. Russia has recently slashed their defence
spending by a significant margin. If the plan was to lure Russia to spend more via defence
then it has already completely failed.
A Tweet by Nick Griffin,
former leader of the British National Party, on whether decades of mass immigration and
Cultural Marxism have increased or decreased the West's chances of surviving World War
III:
'Here's the bottom line: Even if Nato destroyed the entire military & half the cities
of Russia, she would survive. If the USA & UK lose their militaries & their
electricity supply, their cities will be destroyed by their own citizens. The West has lost
#WW3 before it starts!'
Yes, Putin managed to change the world quietly, to the helpless chagrin of the Empire. The
fact that the Empire is now using the lowliest scum, like jihadi head choppers and "svidomie"
Nazis, shows that it is reduced to hysterics and tantrums.
Sometimes I wish Putin to act more decisively, like after the murder of Zakharchenko in
Donetsk by cowardly terrorist jackals. But I also feel that he must know more than I do. His
strategy seems to be "when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere". So far
it is working. If anything, Russia, without spending too much, prompts the US to spend itself
into financial insolvency.
So, if in Cold War 2.0 Putin is using the strategy the US used in
Cold War 1.0, he is outsmarting his adversaries admirably.
It might be even worse for the Empire and its lackeys. The US and other NATO armies would
be totally incapacitated by the absence of bathroom tissue. And I mean real soldiers, not trannies.
Both of you are way off. The reality trumps race, real or imagined. That's where Russia
wins. Particularly because it includes people of different nationalities, races, religions
(or lack thereof), etc.
You need to start with the premise that the US Zioglob wants to destroy Syria and Iran
– and you have to take them seriously since much of the Middle East has already been
targeted, and is lying in ruins.
Russia's part in this is that it gets in the way. Without Russian support, Assad and the
Iranians would probably already be gone, and Syria would be some kind of ISIS run
hellhole.
Also, the cook in the fable does monologues when angry, but the Neocons have been
described as "Crazies" and act like crazies, so it's a bit risky to only expect "loud talk
and nothing more". Crazies can start throwing things around, and they're not known for
balanced responses, so I find Martyanov's view too complacent.
I would guess that Putin & his generals have a more realistic assessment , and
interestingly they seem to have decided to stick with Assad (which seems to imply that
they're ready to go all the way with the US). Trump & Mattis need to appreciate this and
moderate the Ziocons.
But overall, it's unreal that this is happening. If the US attacks Russian warships off
the Syrian coast, then things could get completely out of control.
Rural Russians do not have electricity, indoor plumbing and running water in many cases.
It is like Eire in the 1920′s except worse because the distances are vastly greater.
Anyway, if Russia got to a point where it was in a full nuclear strategic exchange with the
US, the last act of the Russian leadership would be to order that their missiles hit every
other nuclear power: Britain, France, China and Israel too . Russia would take
everyone else down with them. For that reason Israel would not let America do anything that
might start a nuclear war.
FSB operational group is in Donetsk now and is dealing with this murder. This is the start
of the official recognition of the LDNR–initially as independent entities and,
eventually, rejoining Russia. It is especially remarkable after even Kiev admitting a
demographic and labor catastrophe, which also feed-backs and drives the whole country into
the oblivion even faster. That, plus US military "advisers" are already in place in Ukraine.
2019 is not far away and US wants to "sell" own toxic asset as high as possible.
Also, the cook in the fable does monologues when angry, but the Neocons have been
described as "Crazies" and act like crazies, so it's a bit risky to only expect "loud talk
and nothing more". Crazies can start throwing things around, and they're not known for
balanced responses, so I find Martyanov's view too complacent.
Evidently you missed Ralph Peters' (and he is really bat shit crazy one and passes as
"military experts" among neocon cabal) "performance" and writings when he called on the war
against Russia ONLY inside Syria. And even then with some caveats.
Even if such a psycho as Peters understands limitations–and that was a year ago,
since then things changed in Syria dramatically, such as Syrian and Russian Air Defense among
other things–then I would say that my position is not really "complacent". Russia has a
revolver and it is held to the temple.
Is the outbreak of nuclear war possible? Of course it
is possible, it always is–the main measure of it is how probable this outbreak is. This
is way above my pay-grade level, but I will reiterate–Russia is aware of the US and
where it stands on the order (if not two) of magnitude more than it is the other way around.
Russians actually study the US and I saw a vast improvement of Russian Americanistika in the
last 10 years. Dramatic really. On the other end well
You are a bit under-informed. Practically all Russian villages have electricity now,
although many don't have natural gas, indoor plumbing, and live w/o running water in homes
(some have it in the streets, others rely on wells; most use old-fashioned latrines).
In the worst-case scenario of nuclear war between Russia and the US, Russia won't need to
target nuclear power plants (or anything else) in China. Russian strategy would be to make
sure some people survive, same as Chinese strategy in that case. They might, although I am
not sure that the survivors won't envy the dead after a full-blown nuclear war. The US
vassals will be hit, but given what the world will become, one can consider that an act of
mercy.
As far as Israel is concerned, you don't need to target anything in particular: one 500
kiloton device (or a few smaller ones) would wipe the whole Israel off the map (Arabs need
not rejoice: that puny territory won't be usable for any mammals for a few thousand years).
One can only hope that Israelis and the US neocons don't have a death wish and won't let
things to go that far.
1) the Russian Military and the US Military are separated physically by a very thin line in
Syria and other places ..accidental bumping into each other=Big nuclear accident!!!
2)The US strategy is to make Russia bleed internally with aggressive and violent Military
occupations directly as in Syria and by proxy in the Ukraine ..Could this not lead to a coup
in Russia? Noam Chomsky makes a compelling case that the US actually won the Vietnam War
.Vietnam had it's military victory .but the war turned Vietnam into a dependent basket case
.44 years of being a dependent basket case.
If there exists any other people than me that got curious about Ivan Krylov and want to
read his stories i found a book on archive.org
"Kriloff's original fables translated by Henry Harrison published in 1883."
I found it easier to read the letters in that one than in the link in the article tbh.
Watergate was really about the US losing the war, so I think the Vietnamese won the war,
but the US left benefited . To get rid of Putin and his system the US would have to impose a
clear defeat on Russia, something the US cannot do in Ukraine without Russia
escalating, and
did not care to try in Syria. The American and Russian military would not let the politicians
start a war.
McCAIN: General Dempsey is the most disappointing chairman of the joint chiefs that I
have seen, and I have seen many of them
He says he may request that. He has supported the plan to completely withdraw from
Afghanistan. And he has basically been the echo chamber for the president. And one of the
reasons we are in the situation that we're in in the world today – and particularly
in the Middle East – is because the lack of his either knowledge or candor about the
situation in the Middle East. And it has done great damage, and so all I can say is he only
has eight more months.
In the above video Dunford tells Wicker controlling airspace in Syria means war with
Russia. McCain throws a tantrum, then Dunford refines answer. However, it is perfectly
obvious that the current head of the Joint Chiefs is no more keen than Martin Dempsey was on
aggressive action against Assad.
Dempsey and Michael Flynn (while he was head of the DIA) sabotaging the CIA and State
department policy on overthrowing Assad the Idiot (he put up the price of basic necessities
while the Arab spring was going on) was the origin of Russia gate, the CIA hated Flynn.
Sean -- I hope you are right about Israel. I have seen it argued, though, that Jews would
welcome a nuclear conflagration because, as God's chosen, they would be the only ones certain
to be left standing when the dust had settled. It would be the realization of the Judaic
belief that Heaven and Earth were created solely for the Jews; see Shahak and Mezvinsky's
Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel , page 60.
of course they are, now go back to bed grandpa. you should not let your self get so
agitated either, your heart is weak. it is a long time ago now that "you" beat the nazis and
taught those pesky commies a lesson.
Noam Chomsky makes a compelling case that the US actually won the Vietnam War
Noam Chomsky could be many things, military historian and scholar of a warfare he surely
is not. I believe Carl Von Clausewitz makes much more compelling case about the war than
Chomsky ever did or will.
The US strategy is to make Russia bleed internally with aggressive and violent Military
occupations directly as in Syria and by proxy in the Ukraine ..Could this not lead to a
coup in Russia?
The US "strategy" on Russia is written by dated "products" of the US "humanities" field,
by amateurs and by ignoramuses – that is why US "strategy" on Russia is easily
identifiable as one huge tantrum and is exhibit A of how not TO conduct military and foreign
policies. In fact, I expect at some point of time many a Ph.D theses written on that–a
fascinating topic of a country ran by people with maturity level of teenagers. As per
coup–wanna see one? Open any US MSM newspaper or watch any MSM news.
Your last paragraph .and I thought: Kenneth Adleman Jean Kirkpatrick ..Condelezza Rice(and
this one is too stupid to know she is stupid ), Susan Rice( very inflated opinion of herself
and a dunce ) now this is a real confederacy of dunces
I fear you're underestimating the power of messianic delusions. The country with leaders
speaking of the End of History, the Moral Arc of History, etc., is not a country with a
generalized ability to accept equal status among competing powers.
They will burn the world if they can't have it.
Additionally, I interact (drink) with policy types in DC and elsewhere and to them the
suggestion that USG would not be able to ruin Russia, or China, and not suffer a catastrophe
at home, is laughable. They will actually laugh. While it may be the case that there are
serious people who seriously understand the situation, the default assumption among Regime
players is that USG is on top, and this will continue for ever .
Much reasoned and passionate debate this: should Russia do or not do? Not possessing
military background at the level of many luminaries here, all I can do is lay out an analogy
built around game theory and poker.
You (Russia) are playing poker with a guy (Uncle Sam) known to hide cards up his sleeves.
You do not call for a show of hands because you fear the loser and his servants will rather
blow up the gaming room than lose. And the blowing up the room is not a certainty, only a
probability not subject to quantification.
So the initiative rests with the other guy –
and he keeps doubling the stakes every move. Now what to do you do? Every time the stakes are
doubled the probability of the loser blowing up the gaming room increases should he be called
out. Should you have called for a show of hands when the stakes were lower? Or should you let
the game go on and on, thereby avoiding a big blow up?
The other probem is that not only is
the other guy crooked, he is also slightly crazy and blind. Has he really seen his own hand
of cards correctly? You don't know for sure. It does look like safety might lie in letting
the game go on at the other guy's initiative.
What if it drags on endlessly? Who has the
bigger pile of chips? Who will go bust first? What if piles of chips are ignored as a
constraint on both sides? Well, then how will the game end? All games must have an end
point.
I have no answers.
Having grown up in Donbass, I would like to share your hope.
However, there are several reasons for Russia's reluctance to let Donbass join. One is
purely economic: Donbass is a lot more populous than Crimea, so bringing the living standards
there from Ukrainian to Russian level would cost lots of money. Russia is hardly in a
position to take on an additional huge burden right now.
The other is geopolitical: I strongly suspect that Putin wants to use Donbass as a lever to
push Ukraine to a sensible position of neutrality internationally and federation internally.
If so, good luck to him: that would make Ukraine viable.
If WWIII starts in earnest, having someone left intact would be the least of Russia's (or
anyone else's) worries.
I don't know about goats, but naturally radiation-resistant rodents and insects would have
been grateful to neocons, if they knew who to thank for gifting them the whole Earth as a
kingdom.
I fear you're underestimating the power of messianic delusions. The country with
leaders speaking of the End of History, the Moral Arc of History, etc., is not a country
with a generalized ability to accept equal status among competing powers.
They will burn the world if they can't have it.
Yes, it's definitely a tricky situation living in a large country run by criminals and
madmen.
If not for nuclear weapons, things would be much simpler, and once they eventually got
a bloody military nose, there might be a popular uprising, probably leading to the wholesale
massacre of all our ruling political, financial, and intellectual elites. This would
definitely serve them right and also provide excellent business to Chinese
guillotine-manufacturers. But with nukes in the hands of madmen, a positive outcome is much
more doubtful, so I guess there's not all that much we can do except sit around and
worry.
Would it be prudent to view Israel as yet another US state, albeit
without formal association with the union ?
I doubt that Israeli influence is a one way street. In most areas the
USA neoliberal elite interests and Israeli interests coincide or strongly
corrlate. For example in no way the USA invade Iraq to serve exclusively
Israeli interests. They were interested in control of oil rich state (the
scenario later repeated in Libya) and Israeli interests played important,
but secondary role in the invasion.
Notable quotes:
"... American policy towards the Middle East is largely being managed by a small circle of Orthodox Jews working for presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner. One of them, David Friedman, is currently U.S. Ambassador to Israel. ..."
"... Friedman, a bankruptcy lawyer who has no diplomatic or foreign policy credentials, is a Zionist Jew who is also a supporter of the illegal settlements on the West Bank and a harsh critic of other Jews who in any way disagree with the Israeli government. He has contributed money to settlement construction, which would be illegal if OTFI were doing its job, and has consistently defended the settlers while condemning the Palestinians in speeches in Israel. ..."
"... How he represents the United States and its citizens who are not dual nationals must be considered a mystery. ..."
"... Friedman's top adviser is Rabbi Aryeh Lightstone, who is described by the Embassy as an expert in "Jewish education and pro-Israel advocacy." Once upon a time, in an apparently more enlightened mood, Lightstone described Donald Trump as posing "an existential danger both to the Republican Party and to the U.S." and even accused him of pandering to Jewish audiences. ..."
Referring to Israel during an interview in August 1983, U.S. Navy Admiral and former head of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff Thomas Moorer said "I've never seen a
President -- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them. It just boggles the mind. They always
get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I
wasn't writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip these people have
got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea
what goes on."
Moorer was speaking generally but he had something specific in mind, namely the June 8,
1967, Israeli attack on the American intelligence ship, U.S.S. Liberty, which killed 34
American crewmen and wounded 173 more. The ship was operating in international waters and was
displaying a huge stars and stripes but Israeli warplanes, which had identified the vessel as
American, even strafed the life rafts to kill those who were fleeing the sinking ship. It was
the bloodiest attack on a U.S. Naval vessel ever outside of wartime and the crew deservedly
received the most medals every awarded to a single ship based on one action. Yes, it is one
hell of a story of courage under fire, but don't hold your breath waiting for Hollywood to make
a movie out of it.
President Lyndon B. Johnson, may he burn in hell, had ordered the recall of U.S. carrier
planes sent to aid the stricken vessel, saying that he would prefer the ship go to the bottom
rather than embarrass his good friend Israel. Then came the cover-up from inside the U.S.
government. A hastily convened and summarily executed board of inquiry headed by Admiral John
McCain, father of the senator, deliberately interviewed only a handful of crewmen before
determining that it was all an accident. The sailors who had survived the attack as well as
crewmen from Navy ships that arrived eventually to provide assistance were held incommunicado
in Malta before being threatened and sworn to secrecy. Since that time, repeated attempts to
convene another genuine inquiry have been rebuffed by congress, the White House and the
Pentagon. Recently deceased Senator John McCain was particularly active in rejecting overtures
from the Liberty survivors.
The Liberty story demonstrates how Israel's ability to make the United States government act
against its own interests has been around for a long time. Grant Smith of IRMEP, cites how
Israeli spying carried out by AIPAC in Washington back in the mid-1980s resulted in a
lopsided trade agreement that currently benefits Israel by more than $10 billion per year
on the top of direct grants from the U.S. Treasury and billions in tax exempt "charitable"
donations by American Jews.
If Admiral Moorer were still alive, I would have to tell him that the situation
vis-à-vis Israeli power is much worse now than it was in 1983. He would be very
interested in reading a
remarkable bit of research recently completed by Smith demonstrating exactly how Israel and
its friends work from inside the system to corrupt our political process and make the American
government work in support of Jewish state interests. He describes in some detail how the
Israel Lobby has been able to manipulate the law enforcement community to protect and promote
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's agenda.
A key component in the Israeli penetration of the U. S. government has been President George
W. Bush's 2004 signing off on the creation of the Office of Terrorism and Financial
Intelligence (OTFI) within the Department of the Treasury. The group's website proclaims that
it is responsible for "safeguarding the financial system against illicit use and combating
rogue nations, terrorist facilitators, weapons of mass destruction (WMD) proliferators, money
launderers, drug kingpins, and other national security threats," but it has from its founding
been really all about safeguarding Israel's perceived interests. Grant Smith notes however, how
"the secretive office has a special blind spot for major terrorism generators, such as
tax-exempt money laundering from the United States into illegal Israeli settlements and
proliferation financing and weapons technology smuggling into Israel's clandestine nuclear
weapons complex."
The first head of the office was Undersecretary of Treasury Stuart Levey, who operated
secretly within the Treasury itself while also coordinating regularly both with the Israeli
government as well as with pro-Israel organizations like AIPAC, WINEP and the Foundation for
the Defense of Democracies (FDD). Levey also traveled regularly to Israel on the taxpayer's
dime, as did his three successors in office.
Levey left OTFI in 2011 and was replaced by David Cohen. It was reported then and
subsequently that counterterrorism position at OTFI were all filled by individuals who were
both Jewish and Zionist. Cohen continued the Levey tradition of resisting any transparency
regarding what the office was up to. Smith reports how, on September 12, 2012, he
refused to answer reporter questions "about Israel's possession of nuclear weapons, and
whether sanctioning Iran, a signatory to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear
Weapons, over its internationally-inspected civilian nuclear program was an example of endemic
double standards at OTFI."
Cohen was in turn succeeded in 2015 by Adam Szubin who was then replaced in 2017 by Sigal
Pearl Mandelker,
a former and possibly current Israeli citizen . All of the heads of OTFI have therefore
been Jewish and Zionist. All work closely with the Israeli government, all travel to Israel
frequently on "official business" and they all are in close liaison with the Jewish groups most
often described as part of the Israel Lobby. And the result has been that many of the victims
of OTFI have been generally enemies of Israel, as defined by Israel and America's Jewish
lobbyists. OTFI's Specially Designated Nationals And Blocked Persons List (SDN), which includes sanctions and enforcement options , features many Middle
Eastern Muslim and Christian names and companies but nothing in any way comparable relating to
Israel and Israelis, many of whom are well known to law enforcement otherwise as weapons
traffickers and money launderers . And once placed on the SDN there is no transparent
way to be removed, even if the entry was clearly in error.
Here in the United States, action by OTFI has meant that Islamic charities have been shut
down and individuals exercising their right to free speech through criticism of the Jewish
state have been imprisoned. If the Israel Anti-Boycott Act succeeds in making its way through
congress the OTFI model will presumably become the law of the land when it comes to curtailing
free speech whenever Israel is involved.
The OTFI story is outrageous, but it is far from unique. There is a history of American Jews
closely attached to Israel being promoted by powerful and cash rich domestic lobbies to act on
behalf of the Jewish state. To be sure, Jews who are Zionists are
vastly overrepresented in all government agencies that have anything at all to do with the
Middle East and one can reasonably argue that the Republican and Democratic Parties are in the
pockets of Jewish billionaires named Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban.
Neoconservatives, most of whom are Jewish, infiltrated the Pentagon under the Reagan
Administration and they and their heirs in government and media (Doug Feith, Paul Wolfowitz,
Scooter Libby, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol) were major players in the catastrophic war with
Iraq, which, one of the architects of that war, Philip Zelikow, described in
2004 as being all about Israel. The same people are now in the forefront of urging war with
Iran.
American policy towards the Middle East is largely being managed by a small circle of
Orthodox Jews working for presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner. One of them, David Friedman,
is currently U.S. Ambassador to Israel.
Friedman, a bankruptcy lawyer who has no diplomatic or
foreign policy credentials, is a Zionist Jew who is also a supporter of the illegal settlements
on the West Bank and a harsh critic of other Jews who in any way disagree with the Israeli
government. He has contributed money to settlement construction, which would be illegal if OTFI
were doing its job, and has consistently defended the settlers while condemning the
Palestinians in speeches in Israel.
He endlessly and ignorantly repeats Israeli government
talking points and has
tried to change the wording of State Department communications, seeking to delete the word
"occupied" when describing Israel's control of the West Bank. His humanity does not extend
beyond his Jewishness, defending the Israeli shooting thousands of unarmed Gazan protesters and
the bombing of schools, hospitals and cultural centers. How he represents the United States and
its citizens who are not dual nationals must be considered a mystery.
Friedman's top adviser is Rabbi Aryeh Lightstone,
who is described by the Embassy as an expert in "Jewish education and pro-Israel advocacy."
Once upon a time, in an apparently more enlightened mood, Lightstone described Donald Trump as
posing "an existential danger both to the Republican Party and to the U.S." and even accused
him of pandering to Jewish audiences.
Apparently when opportunity knocked he changed his mind
about his new boss. Pre-government in 2014, Lightstone founded and headed Silent City, a Jewish
advocacy group supported by extreme right-wing money that opposed the Iran nuclear agreement
and also worked to combat the nonviolent Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement. He
is reportedly still connected financially with anti BDS groups, which might be construed as a
conflict of interest. As the Senior Adviser to Friedman he is paid in excess of $200,000 plus
free housing, additional cash benefits to include a 25% cost of living allowance and a 10%
hardship differential, medical insurance and eligibility for a pension.
So, what's in it all for Joe and Jill American Citizens? Not much. And for Israel? Anything,
it wants, apparently. Sink a U.S. warship? Okay. Tap the U.S. Treasury? Sure, just wait a
minute and we'll draft some legislation that will give you even more money. Create a treasury
department agency run exclusively by Jews that operates secretly to punish critics of the
Jewish state? No brainer. Meanwhile a bunch of dudes at the Pentagon are dreaming of new wars
for Israel and the White House sends an ignorant ambassador and top aide overseas to represent
the interests of the foreign government in the country where they are posted. Which just
happens to be Israel. Will it ever end?
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]
.
Indeed. Especial kudos for mentioning that the bailout cost way way more than the "Tarp"
program. Some additional thoughts though.
1. Our financial economy is now so subsidized and rigged, I wonder if it is even possible
to have a traditional financial-style collapse? I mean, the stock market is high only because
the companies are borrowing like crazy to boost their stock prices, and the Federal Reserve
will manufacture unlimited money to boost and bail out financial firms. However, on its own
this won't cause hyperinflation, because this money is mostly not making it back onto Main
Street, it's just money chasing money in the the clouds. I suggest that perhaps the next
collapse will be triggered by physical matters, as massive immigration fuels continued
population growth, and the real economy is starved of the massive physical investment needed
to deal with this and our own industrial base is gutted by free trade agreements. A physical
collapse cannot be papered over by financial manipulation
2. There will be no revolution, sorry. Look at Barack Obama, for eight years he was as
corrupt a whore to big money as any US politician, and the man is still treated as a secular
saint. The Democrats are for Wall Street bailouts and eternal pointless wars etc.etc. but
people will keep voting for them because Trump is a fascist, a racist, "literally Hitler." I
mean, CNN told them so, so it must be true. Meanwhile, even though it looked like the
Republicans for a moment were going to deal with reality, they too have mostly been co-opted
into mindlessly supporting Trump because the Democrats are "socialists" (hah! Lenin would
have had a good laugh at that one) and Nancy Pelosi is weird.
I think you'll find what common sense might predict, namely, that deaths by shooting have
declined in per capita terms. Maybe people still manage to commit suicide as reliably by
other means but there can have been no substitute for accidental shootings.
"... Many of the root causes of the crisis remain today, making another economic downturn or collapse possible. The New Yorker reports that little has changed since 2008, with Wall Street banks returning to risky behavior and the inadequate regulation of Dodd-Frank being weakened. Big finance is more concentrated and dominant than it was before the crash. Inequality and debt have expanded, and despite the capital class getting wealthier in a record stock market with corporate profits soaring, real wages are stuck at pre-crisis levels . ..."
"... So, when the next crash comes. Let's put forward a People's Agenda. Let's be like Iceland and mobilize for policies that put people first. Collectively, we have the power to overcome the political elites and their donor class. ..."
Ten years ago, there was panic in Washington, DC, New York City and financial
centers around the world as the United States was in the midst of an economic
collapse. The crash became the focus of the presidential campaign between Barack
Obama and John McCain and was followed by protests that created a popular movement,
which continues to this day.
Banks: Bailed Out; The People: Sold Out
On the campaign trail, in March 2008,
Obama blamed mismanagement of the economy on both Democrats and Republicans
for rewarding financial manipulation rather than economic productivity. He called
for funds to protect homeowners from foreclosure and to stabilize local governments
and urged a 21st Century regulation of the financial system. John McCain opposed
federal intervention, saying the country should not bail out banks or homeowners
who knowingly took financial risks.
By September 2008, McCain and Obama
met with President George W. Bush and together they called for a $700 billion
bailout of the banks, not the people. Obama and McCain issued a joint statement
that called the bank bailout plan "flawed," but said, "the effort to protect
the American economy must not fail."
Obama expressed "outrage" at the "crisis," which was "a direct result of
the greed and irresponsibility that has dominated Washington and Wall Street
for years."
By October 2008, the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), or bank bailout,
had recapitalized the banks, the Treasury had stabilized money market mutual
funds and the FDIC had guaranteed the bank debts. The Federal Reserve began
flowing money to banks, which would ultimately total almost twice
the $16 trillion claimed in a federal audit. Researchers at the University
of Missouri found that the Federal Reserve gave
over $29 trillion
to the banks.
" the crisis took years to emerge. It was caused by reckless lending practices,
Wall Street greed, outright fraud, lax government oversight in the George W.
Bush years, and deregulation of the financial sector in the Bill Clinton years.
The deepest source, going back decades, was rising inequality. In good times
and bad, no matter which party held power, the squeezed middle class sank ever
further into debt."
Before his inauguration, Obama proposed an economic stimulus plan, but, as
Paul Krugman wrote, "Obama's prescription doesn't live up to his diagnosis.
The economic plan he's offering isn't as strong as his language about the economic
threat."
In the end, the stimulus was even smaller than what Obama proposed. Economist
Dean Baker explained that it may have created 2 million jobs, but we needed
12 million. It was $300 billion in 2009, about the same in 2010, and the remaining
$100 billion followed over several years -- too small to offset the $1.4 trillion
in annual lost spending.
Protest near Union Square in New York, April, 2010. Popular Resistance
Still at Risk
Many of the root causes of the crisis remain today, making another economic
downturn or collapse possible. The
New Yorker reports that little has changed since 2008, with Wall Street
banks returning to risky behavior and the inadequate regulation of Dodd-Frank
being weakened. Big finance is more concentrated and dominant than it was before
the crash. Inequality and debt have expanded, and despite the capital class
getting wealthier in a record stock market with corporate profits soaring,
real wages are stuck at pre-crisis levels .
People are economically insecure in the US and live with growing despair,
as measured by
reports on well-being . The
Federal Reserve reported in 2017 that "two in five Americans don't have
enough savings to cover a $400 emergency expense." Further, "more than one in
five said they weren't able to pay the current month's bills in full, and more
than one in four said they skipped necessary medical care last year because
they couldn't afford it."
Positive Money writes: "Ten years on, big banks are still behaving in
reckless, unfair and neglectful ways . The structural problems with our
money and banking system still haven't been fixed. And many experts fear that
if we don't change things soon, we're going to sleepwalk into
another crash ."
Larry Eliott wrote in the Guardian , "Capitalism's near-death experience
with the banking crisis was a golden opportunity for progressives." But the
movement in the United States was not yet in a position to take advantage of
it.
There were immediate protests. Democratic Party-aligned groups such as USAction,
True Majority and others
organized nationwide actions . Over 1,000 people
demonstrated on Wall Street and phones in Congress were ringing wildly.
While there was opposition to the bailout, there was a lack of national consensus
over what to do.
Protests continued to grow. In late 2009, a
"Move Your Money" campaign was started that urged people to take their money
out of the big banks and put it in community banks and credit unions. The most
visible anti-establishment rage in response to the bailout arose later
in the Tea Party and Occupy movements . Both groups shared a consensus that
we live in a rigged economy created by a corrupt political establishment. It
was evident that
the US is an oligarchy, which serves the interests of the wealthy while
ignoring the necessities of the people.
The anti-establishment consensus continues to grow and showed itself in the
2016 presidential campaigns of Senator Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. They
were two sides of the same coin of populist anger that defeated Jeb Bush and
Hillary Clinton. Across the political spectrum, there is a political crisis
with
both mainstream, Wall Street-funded political parties being unpopular but
staying in power due to a calcified political system that protects the duopoly
of Democrats and Republicans.
Preparing for the Next Collapse
When the next financial crisis arrives, the movement is in a much stronger
position to take advantage of the opportunity for significant changes that benefit
people over Wall Street. The Occupy movement and other efforts since then have
changed the national dialogue so that more people are aware of wealth inequality,
the corruption of big banks and the failure of the political elites to represent
the people's interests.
There is also greater awareness of alternatives to the current economy. The
Public Banking movement has grown significantly since 2008. Banks that need
to be bailed out could be transformed into public banks that serve the people
and are democratically controlled. And there are multiple platforms, including
our People's
Agenda , that outline alternative solutions.
We also know the government can afford almost $30 trillion to bail out the
banks. One sixth of this could provide a $12,000 annual basic income, which
would cost $3.8 trillion annually,
doubling Social Security payments to $22,000 annually, which would cost
$662 billion, a $10,000
bonus for all US public school teachers, which would cost $11 billion, free
college for all high school graduates, which would cost $318 billion, and universal
preschool, which would cost $38 billion. National improved Medicare for all
would actually
save the nation trillions of dollars over a decade. We can afford to provide
for the necessities of the people.
We can look to Iceland for an example of how to handle the next crisis. In
2008 , they jailed the bankers, let the banks fail without taking on their
debt and put controls in place to protect the economy. They recovered more quickly
than other countries and with less pain.
How did they do it? In part, through protest. They held sustained and noisy
protests, banging pots and pans outside their parliament building for five months.
The number of people participating in the protests grew over time. They created
democratized platforms for gathering public input and sharing information widely.
And they created new political parties, the Pirate Party and the Best Party,
which offered agendas informed by that popular input.
So, when the next crash comes. Let's put forward a People's Agenda. Let's
be like Iceland and mobilize for policies that put people first. Collectively,
we have the power to overcome the political elites and their donor class.
John Gunther Dean, now 92, and a former American ambassador to
five countries, has long maintained that Israel was behind his
attempted assassination on August 28, 1980, in a suburb of
Beirut, which was attributed to a rightwing Lebanese group. Dean
and his wife and daughter and son-in-law were in a motorcade and
narrowly escaped serious injury.
Dean said that he was targeted because he was doing something
regarded as antithetical to Israel's interest: consulting with
the Palestine Liberation Organization and its head, Yasser
Arafat, at a time when such contacts were the third rail in US
politics. He was also outspokenly critical of Israeli attacks on
Lebanon.
A new book offers backing to Dean's claim. But while that book
has been highly-publicized, the question of whether Israel
attacked our ambassador has gotten no attention in the press.
That is not a surprise; for Dean has asserted that the case
itself was never thoroughly investigated by the U.S. government.
Let's begin this story where I first heard about it, from
historian Remi Brulin's twitter thread
on
May 30:
"On August 28, 1980, the three-car motorcade of John Gunther
Dean, the American Ambassador to Lebanon, was attacked on the
motorway by several assailants armed with automatic rifles as
well as light anti-tank weapons or LAWs. The ambassador and his
wife escaped unscathed.
"This attack is in
RAND's
'terrorism' database
. Entry states that 'responsibility for
attack was later claimed by the Front for the Liberation of
Lebanon from Foreigners, a shadowy right-wing group.' Various
media outlets at the time reported on FLLF taking credit for the
attack
"Over the years Ambassador Dean has repeatedly argued that
Israel was behind the August 1980 attempt on his life. In a
n
interview for the Oral History Project
in September 2000, he
explained how the Lebanese Intelligence services had managed to
retrieve the empty canisters of two of the light anti-tank
weapons (LAWs) that had been used during the attack on his
motorcade and, during raiding a house by the intersection where
the assault had taken place, found 8 more. Dean collected the
numbers on the 10 missiles & sent them to Washington to be
traced.
"Three weeks (and one angry phone call) later, the US Ambassador
finally learned 'where the light anti-tank weapons came from,
where they were shipped to, on what date, who paid for them, and
when they got to their destination.'
"The LAWs had been manufactured in the US and 'were sold and
shipped to Israel in 1974.' In
this
interview
, Dean further states that he "did find out a great
deal about this incident' over the following years, and calls
this assassination attempt 'one of the more unsavory episodes in
our Middle Eastern history' and ends by noting that 'our
Ambassador to Israel, Sam Lewis, took up this matter with the
Israeli authorities.'
"Dean concludes: 'I know as surely as I know anything that
Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, was somehow involved in
the attack. Undoubtedly using a proxy, our ally Israel had tried
to kill me.' [Haaretz
covered
Dean's claim, made in his 2009 autobiography
; so did
The
Nation
]
"All of this has been known for years, although it is very
rarely discussed in the US media. When discussed, Dean's
assertions/accusations are dismissed as conspiracy theories.
"In January however, a book was published that appears to
reinforce the plausibility of Dean's position. The book is Ronen
Bergman's
Rise
and Kill First
.
It has received rave reviews in the US
press, and its author has been interviewed countless times since
the book was published. The book focuses on Israeli 'targeted
assassinations' and it contains one truly remarkable revelation.
"In 1979, [Rafael] Eitan and [Meir] Dagan [both brass in the
Israel Defense Forces] created the Front for the Liberation of
Lebanon from Foreigners, and ran that fictitious group from 1979
to 1983. In 1981 and 1982, Ariel Sharon used that Front to
conduct a series of indiscriminate car bombings that killed
hundreds of civilians.
"The objective of this massive 'terrorist' car bombing campaign
was to 'sow chaos' amongst the Palestinian & Lebanese civilian
population" and, in 1981-82, to provoke the PLO into resorting
to 'terrorism,' thus providing Israel with an excuse to invade
Lebanon.
"The FLLF operation is described in great details in Bergman's
book. His account is based solely on first hand accounts from
Israeli officials involved in the operation or who were aware of
it at the time. It is also described in detail in my article
here [
in
Mondoweiss in May:
The remarkable disappearing act of
Israel's car-bombing campaign in Lebanon or: What we (do not)
talk about when we talk about 'terrorism'].
"As I show in this article, not a SINGLE review of Bergman's
book in the US media has mentioned the FLLF operation. Nor has
it been mentioned in a SINGLE of the countless interviews he has
given on the topic over the last few months. The US media has
thus been fully silent about the fact that Israeli officials
directed a major & fully indiscriminate car bombing campaign
that killed 100s of civilians in Lebanon. This silence also
means that the US media has failed to notice the possible
implications of this revelation about the Dean case.
"Bergman himself does not mention the assassination attempt
against Dean. But we know that the FLLF took credit for this
attack at the time. That Dean's own investigation pointed to
Israel & to its Lebanese proxies. And we now know that the FLLF
was CREATED and RUN by Israel.
"None of this is absolutely conclusive, of course. Nonetheless,
this topic might warrant investigation from US journalists (who
might also want to write about the FLLF car bombing campaign, ie
about Israeli officials resorting to 'terrorism.'"
Brulin subsequently added this important comment:
Bergman does note on several occasions in his book that he
is not allowed to write and talk about a lot of the
operations that his sources talked to him about. I wonder if
this FLLF operation vs Dean is one of those.
Let us add some details and context. Dean was born to a Jewish
family in Germany in 1926 and escaped the Holocaust to the
United States in 1938, later graduating from a Kansas City high
school. It goes without saying that being ambassador to five
countries, Cambodia, Denmark, Lebanon, Thailand and India, is a
stellar career in foreign service.
I reached out to Dean and did not hear from him, but in his oral
history, the ambassador says that the attack was a "horrible
experience" that scarred his daughter.
The road at that stretch was wide and a Mercedes car was
parked below a small hill overlooking the road. As we
turned, our convoy took 21 rifle bullets and two grenades
anti-tank fired against the car I was in. My wife threw
herself on top of me and said: "Get your head down" because
I was trying to look out and was stunned by the "fireworks".
When you have these light anti-tank weapons (LAWs) explode,
there are a lot of sparks and explosions. The two LAWs fired
at my car bounced off the rear of the car. I also noticed
that on the window of my armored car there were some shots
all very well centered where I was sitting, but they had not
penetrated because the plastic windows were bullet-proof.
In his autobiography
Danger
Zones,
Dean says he urged the State Department to
investigate, but: "No matter how hard I tried, I could not get a
straight answer from the State Department about what the U.S.
had discovered in its investigations I was simply told to
resume my duties as ambassador. That was not so easy when I
learned what the Lebanese intelligence agency found out [using
the numbers on the weapons]."
Dean says he was clearly understood to be an enemy of Israel
because on repeated occasions he had publicly condemned Israel's
attacks on Lebanon's borders and air space, a stance the State
Department usually did not take.
Scurrilous attacks on me in the Israeli Knesset and the
Israeli press just prior to the assassination attempt
indicate that the Israeli authorities were unhappy with the
activist role I played in Lebanon, defending Lebanese
sovereignty and maintaining an active relationship with the
PLO–the very policies I was given to pursue by the president
of the United States. The venomous talk in the Israeli
Knesset by the right-wing parties portrayed me as a tool of
the Palestinians. Because I was willing, even eager, to talk
with all the factions in Lebanon's civil war, I was
suspected of being anti-Israel.
Dean said he had a "close working relationship" with the PLO–
including calling on Yasser Arafat to help broker the release of
13 of 66 American hostages held by Iranians in Tehran in
November 1979, those 13 being the women and African-Americans.
"On a number of occasions the PLO helped me to get Americans
released American authorities considered the PLO a valid
interlocutor for discussing ways of finding a nonmilitary
solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."
At that time, the PLO was verboten in official policy circles.
Andrew Young was forced to resign as Jimmy Carter's ambassador
to the U.N. in 1979 after the Israelis leaked the fact that he
had met with a representative of the PLO. In 1977,
Ted
Koppel and Marvin Kalb wrote
a thriller that turned on a US
official having a supersecret meeting with a fictitious
Palestinian group, and it leaking and the official being charged
with betraying Israel. In 1976, the dissident Jewish peace group
Breira came apart after Wolf Blitzer, who was at the time also
working for the Israel lobby group AIPAC, reported in the
Jerusalem Post that Breira members had met with PLO officials.
Dean had a reputation for being free-thinking in Washington
circles. In 1988, when Dean was ambassador to India, Pakistani
President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq died in Pakistan when his plane
was sabotaged. Dean maintained that Israel was behind the
assassination because it did not want Pakistan to obtain nuclear
weapons, which it was then developing. Dean's speculation was
based in part on the fact that pro-Israel congressmen (Stephen
Solarz and Tom Lantos) had visited him in New Delhi and pressed
him to support Israel's ally India over Pakistan and to seek to
thwart Pakistan's path toward nukes.
"The more I pushed for answers, the more officials from the
Reagan administration pushed back," he wrote. Within a year,
Dean, 63, retired amid official questions about his sanity under
"strain." "The department's first thought was to send me to an
asylum." Instead he was sent to Switzerland for "recuperation,"
he writes in his autobiography. "This was the kind of technique
that the Stalinist regime used to silence its critics in the
Soviet Union."
Ronen Bergman's new book
on
the Israeli assassination and terrorism campaign
contains no
reference to the John Gunther Dean attack. I asked him via a
twitter message why he had left it out, noting that his
revelation about Israeli security officials establishing the
Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners gives
credence to Dean's claim. He did not respond.
The Israeli investigative reporter is now working for the New
York Times, and lately reported in the Times on the
killing
of a Syrian rocket scientist in a car bomb attack
in
northwestern Syria on the night of August 4, evidently by
Israel.
P.S. The US government has had a miserable record of
investigating
known
Israeli
attacks on Americans– on the USS Liberty in 1967 and Rachel
Corrie in 2003.
Good to see Dean being taken seriously after so long in the
wilderness.
The throwaway line about Dean, a Jew, being born in Germany and
escaping the Holocaust when his family went to America in 1938,
is a bit much, but serves to remind us what a challenge it is
for those of Tribal consciousness such as friend Weiss, to hew
to the truth when the opposing lie is so consequential.
"... The Home We Build Together: Recreating Society ..."
"... "Liberal democracy is in danger," Sacks said, adding later: "The politics of freedom risks descending into the politics of fear." Sacks said Britain's politics had been poisoned by the rise of identity politics, as minorities and aggrieved groups jockeyed first for rights, then for special treatment. The process, he said, began with Jews, before being taken up by blacks, women and gays. He said the effect had been "inexorably divisive." ..."
"... "A culture of victimhood sets group against group, each claiming that its pain, injury, oppression, humiliation is greater than that of others," he said. In an interview with the Times ..."
Well, if Rabbi Sacks and other Jews want anti-Semitism, I think they should look much closer
to home. This is from the Jerusalem Post in 2007:
Sacks: Multiculturalism threatens democracy
Multiculturalism promotes segregation, stifles free speech and threatens liberal
democracy, Britain's top Jewish official warned in extracts from [a recently published] book
Jonathan Sacks, Britain's chief rabbi, defined multiculturalism as an attempt to affirm
Britain's diverse communities and make ethnic and religious minorities more appreciated and
respected. But in his book, The Home We Build Together: Recreating Society , he said
the movement had run its course. "Multiculturalism has led not to integration but to
segregation," Sacks wrote in his book, an extract of which was published in the
Times of London.
"Liberal democracy is in danger," Sacks said, adding later: "The politics of freedom
risks descending into the politics of fear." Sacks said Britain's politics had been poisoned
by the rise of identity politics, as minorities and aggrieved groups jockeyed first for
rights, then for special treatment. The process, he said, began with Jews, before being taken
up by blacks, women and gays. He said the effect had been "inexorably divisive."
"A culture of victimhood sets group against group, each claiming that its pain,
injury, oppression, humiliation is greater than that of others," he said. In an interview
with the Times , Sacks said he wanted his book to be "politically incorrect in the
highest order." ( Sacks:
Multiculturalism threatens democracy , The Jerusalem Post , 20th October
2007 ; emphasis added)
So Sacks claimed that "Britain's politics had been poisoned" by a self-serving,
self-pitying, self-aggrandizing ideology that "began with Jews" and had been "inexorably
divisive." His claim is absolutely classic anti-Semitism, peddling a stereotype of Jews as
subversive, manipulative and divisive outsiders whose selfish agitation has done huge harm to a
gentile society.
Sacks was right, of course: Jews do demand special treatment and did indeed invent the
"identity politics" that has poisoned British politics (and
American ,
Australian ,
French and Swedish
politics too).
By saying all that, Sacks was being far more "anti-Semitic" than Jeremy Corbyn was, even by
the harshest interpretation of those comments on Zionists. Furthermore, Sacks has proved that
Corbyn was right. Zionists do lack irony. In 2007 Sacks, a staunch Zionist, claimed
that the "poisoning" of British politics "began with Jews." In 2018 he's condemning Jeremy
Corbyn for saying something much milder about Zionists.
Jonathan Sacks is given an award by the war-criminal Tony Blair
Jeremy Corbyn
has a beard. So has
Jonathan
Sacks
. But this shared
philopogony
hasn't
brought the two men closer together. Sacks is the former Chief Rabbi
of Britain and, to be fair, I think we be better off if more Jews
were like him. He doesn't seem to
hate
Whites and the Christian religion
in the way so many of his
co-ethnics do.
Battle of the Beards
But that doesn't mean Sacks is a reasonable or objective man where
his own race is concerned. He can be ethnocentric and apply double
standards with the best of them, as he's just proved by his comments
on his fellow beardie:
Jeremy Corbyn is "an anti-Semite" who has "given support to
racists, terrorists and dealers of hate", the former chief rabbi
Jonathan Sacks has said. In an exclusive interview with the
New
Statesman
, the peer described Corbyn's recently reported
2013 remarks on "Zionists" as "the most offensive statement made
by a senior British politician since Enoch Powell's 1968 'Rivers
of Blood' speech".
Sacks, who was chief rabbi from 1991 until 2013, added: "It was
divisive, hateful and like Powell's speech it undermines the
existence of an entire group of British citizens by depicting
them as essentially alien."
At a speech made at the Palestinian Return Centre in London in
2013, Corbyn said of a group of British "Zionists": "They
clearly have two problems. One is they don't want to study
history and, secondly, having lived in this country for a very
long time, probably all their lives, they don't understand
English irony either." (
Corbyn's
"Zionist" remarks were "most offensive" since Enoch Powell, says
ex-chief rabbi
,
The
New Statesman
, 28th August 2018)
Enoch Powell
predicted
that
mass immigration would lead to race war.
Jeremy
Corbyn
said that some Zionists don't get "English irony."
Whether or not you agree with Powell, is it reasonable to compare
the words of the two men? Are they "hateful" and "divisive" in a
similar way? I'd say no, they're obviously not, and the vast
majority of British Whites probably agree with me.
Sacks doesn't agree with me, and he has the Community with him,
according
to
the
Jewish
Chronicle
: "Reform Rabbi Jonathan Romain of Maidenhead
Synagogue said that, while the Enoch Powell analogy may have shocked
people, 'it accurately reflected what most British Jews feel.'"
The poisoning of Britain's politics
Well, if Rabbi Sacks and other Jews want anti-Semitism, I think they
should look much closer to home. This is from the
Jerusalem
Post
in 2007:
Sacks: Multiculturalism threatens democracy
Multiculturalism promotes segregation, stifles free speech and
threatens liberal democracy, Britain's top Jewish official
warned in extracts from [a recently published] book Jonathan
Sacks, Britain's chief rabbi, defined multiculturalism as an
attempt to affirm Britain's diverse communities and make ethnic
and religious minorities more appreciated and respected. But in
his book,
The
Home We Build Together: Recreating Society
, he said the
movement had run its course. "Multiculturalism has led not to
integration but to segregation," Sacks wrote in his book, an
extract of which was published in the
Times
of
London.
"Liberal democracy is in danger," Sacks said, adding later: "The
politics of freedom risks descending into the politics of fear."
Sacks said Britain's politics had been poisoned by the rise of
identity politics, as minorities and aggrieved groups jockeyed
first for rights, then for special treatment. The process, he
said, began with Jews, before being taken up by blacks, women
and gays. He said the effect had been "inexorably divisive." "A
culture of victimhood sets group against group, each claiming
that its pain, injury, oppression, humiliation is greater than
that of others," he said. In an interview with the
Times
,
Sacks said he wanted his book to be "politically incorrect in
the highest order." (
Sacks:
Multiculturalism threatens democracy
,
The
Jerusalem Post
, 20th October 2007; emphasis added)
So Sacks claimed that "Britain's politics had been poisoned" by a
self-serving, self-pitying, self-aggrandizing ideology that "began
with Jews" and had been "inexorably divisive." His claim is
absolutely classic anti-Semitism, peddling a stereotype of Jews as
subversive, manipulative and divisive outsiders whose selfish
agitation has done huge harm to a gentile society.
Sacks was right, of course: Jews do demand special treatment and did
indeed invent the "identity politics" that has poisoned British
politics (and
American
,
Australian
,
French
and
Swedish
politics
too).
By saying all that, Sacks was being far more "anti-Semitic" than
Jeremy Corbyn was, even by the harshest interpretation of those
comments on Zionists. Furthermore, Sacks has proved that Corbyn was
right. Zionists
do
lack
irony. In 2007 Sacks, a staunch Zionist, claimed that the
"poisoning" of British politics "began with Jews." In 2018 he's
condemning Jeremy Corbyn for saying something much milder about
Zionists.
"Absolutely nothing apartheid about this"
And in 2018 Sacks is also offering a ridiculous defence of a new law
in his beloved land of Israel:
Asked by the
New
Statesman
to comment on Israel's new nationality law, which
states that the Jewish people have "an exclusive right to
national self-determination" in the country and stripped the
Arab language of its official status, Sacks said: "I'm not an
expert on this. My brother is, I'm not, he's a lawyer in
Jerusalem, he tells me that there's absolutely nothing apartheid
about this, it's just correcting a lacuna. As far as I
understand, it's a technical process that has none of the
implications that have been levelled at it." (
Corbyn's
"Zionist" remarks were "most offensive" since Enoch Powell, says
ex-chief rabbi
)
When Sacks said there was "absolutely nothing apartheid about this,"
he was
protesting
too much
. He is clearly uncomfortable about the new law and
struggling to defend it, which is why his usual fluency deserted him
when he spoke to the
New
Statesman
. One "levels" accusations, not implications. And the
implications of
the
new law
are perfectly clear, which is why Sacks was driven to
waffle about "a technical process." Yes, the law is a technical
process whereby Arabs are defined as second-class citizens and
Jewish supremacism is openly proclaimed as the guiding principle of
the Israeli state.
Of Monkeys and Men
I'm sure that one of Sacks' heroes, the great Jewish philosopher and
Talmudic scholar
Maimonides
(c.
1135-1208), would have applauded the new law. This is what
Maimonides wrote in his hugely influential
Guide
for the Perplexed
(c. 1190), one of the most revered and
respected texts in the three thousand years of Judaism:
The people who are abroad are all those that have no religion,
neither one based on speculation nor one received by tradition.
Such are the extreme Turks that wander about in the north, the
Kushites [Blacks] who live in the south, and those in our
country who are like these. I consider these as irrational
beings, and not as human beings; they are below mankind, but
above monkeys, since they have the form and shape of man, and a
mental faculty above that of the monkey. (
Guide
for the Perplexed
, Book 3, chapter 51)
Now
that
is
racism, ladies and gentlemen. And if you want proof that Maimonides'
poisonous ideas are alive and well in the Jewish world today, look
no further than Yitzchak Yosef, the Sephardic Chief Rabbi in Israel,
who
was
condemned
this very year for "calling black people 'monkeys'."
Rabbi Yosef has visited the headlines before: in 2016 he "stated
that non-Jews should not be allowed to live in Israel, except to
serve the Jewish population." The
Jewish
Chronicle
added
that
he "later reversed this position."
"Very, very good relations with the Jewish community"
Well, he might have said he no longer believed it, but that wouldn't
be speaking the truth. Servitude for goyim, the superiority of Jews
and the subhumanity of Blacks are all perfectly orthodox Jewish
doctrines. Jews are not the philanthropic egalitarians that they
pretend to be, and Jonathan Sacks was perfectly correct to describe
them as poisoners of British politics. He himself has upended
another vat of poison by joining in the hysteria and hyperbole about
Jeremy Corbyn's mild comments on Zionists.
Let's compare Corbyn with the
shabbos
goy
Tony Blair,
who
gave Sacks
a "Lifetime Achievement Award" in February this year
and hailed Sacks as "one of my heroes."
According
to
the
Jewish
Chronicle
, Blair "was conscious of the need to have very, very
good relations" with "the Jewish community."
In other words, the tiny Jewish minority pulled Blair's strings. At
the behest of his Jewish "fundraiser"
Lord
Levy
, Blair lied Britain into a hugely expensive
war
on Iraq
that killed vast numbers of
innocent
civilians
, fomented sectarian strife in the Middle East and
terrorism in Europe, and led directly to the rise of Islamic State.
Jeremy Corbyn
resolutely
opposed
the war and predicted its dire consequences. Blair is a
liar, confidence-trickster and war-criminal who will one day, I
hope, face
the
death-penalty
for what he and his Jewish immigration minister
Barbara
Roche
did to Britain. Jeremy Corbyn, by contrast, is a virtue-signalling
Marxist idiot who opposes war and the
military-industrial
complex
.
But Blair obeyed Jewish orders and Corbyn doesn't. That's why Blair
is now worth
more
than £60 million
and Corbyn is endlessly vilified in the British
media. Few British Whites know the term "
ethnocentrism
,"
but more and more of them can see the Jews practising it.
You seem ignorant about economic issues. For example, when it comes to natural gas market,
European countries are not in the same boat. Britain and Spain import virtually no gas from
Russia. These countries built lots LNG terminals and import from Qatar.
Germany, Italy and France have a well-diversified supply from multiple sources. The
countries that are truly dependent on Russia are in ex-communist Eastern Europe. They still
rely on a network of pipelines built by USSR, and would go into energy crisis if Russia
suddenly ended supply.
There is no Chinese FDI in Belarus, and in Russia it accounts for 1% of the total FDI.
Nobody is learning Chinese in Russia or Belarus. I don't know what you're smoking.
Sure, but Russia is not Turkey/Ukraine/Argentina-tier. I am furthermore under the
impression that it has better fundamentals than most of East-Central Europe.
Foreign currency debt is worse in Russia than in the rest of East-Central Europe other
than Hungary. That said Russia's robust current account surplus means that a financial crisis
is highly unlikely. Russia also has competent adults in charge of monetary policy and banking
regulation.
Turkey is meanwhile run by a completely lunatic who believes that high interest rates
cause inflation. Turkish secret police are now also imprisoning people for the "crime" of
speaking ill of the Lira. Makes the Argies look good in comparison.
I suspect they are just afraid of independent people getting too much of the super
wealth generated in those industries. These people are going to be structurally drawn
towards loyalty to the West, and Russia's means of overseeing them are far more modest than
China's. United Russia is no CPC.
Other policy tools to keep the rich disciplined are available. Capital controls, credit
controls, punitive taxation, regulation, etc. Some of these policy tools might also be quite
popular with Russian voters, especially in the wake of the pension reform.
A lot of corporate equity can also come to be owned by ordinary people themselves with an
appropriately designed pension system. Good examples of this are Sweden, Chile, and
(surprisingly) Malaysia. America's tax-deferred defined contribution pension programs are
also a good model.
Privatization can even have a bit of a populist flair. The Thatcher government ran
advertising campaigns promoting shares of crown corporations soon to be listed to ordinary
retail investors.
They are of course highly inefficient and corrupt. Though that might be more feature
than bug, as it gives the people around Putin direct access to financial firepower. This is
the standard explanation, anyway. While I can understand that being the case for Rosneft,
Gazprom – which is even less well run – essentially gives away money to
connected subcontractors, as argued in the recent report by Alex Fak at Sberbank's
investment banking division. But those subcontractors as far as I'm aware are not even an
important mainstay of the regime – most are just talented grifters.
No doubt, but presumably the views of Russians themselves also play a role. Plenty of
Sovoks around who think state ownership is glorious, and obviously the Wild '90s are not
fondly remembered.
"... The brilliant usefulness of this system of faux "government" is that it gives the puppet masters maximum flexibility – which is especially valuable in the uncharted waters they're presently in which involve testing limits and probing for red lines. ..."
"... In practice, the well-meaning and always blameless Trump surrounds himself with a coterie of people of varying degrees of unreasonableness, and then gets to pick one from the magazine as the situation warrants, or something like that. ..."
"... For example, when he makes bellicose threats against Syria, Iran, North Korea, Russia, etc., he's listening to Pompeo or Bolton; and then, if/when it appears Russia will retaliate militarily and he needs a way out, the more reasonable Mattis luckily catches his ear and "convinces him" to back down. ..."
Things have gone waaay past the point where Russia can be praised for its "restraint".
Every one of Russia's four previous premature withdrawal announcements from Syria has
had the predictable consequence of only emboldening its enemies. So what is Putin to do? Why,
a fifth premature withdrawal announcement of course. And between this one and the
last, Lavrov has gone on the record as stating the Russia will not shoot at Americans under
any circumstances. If one makes such a show of signaling that Russia's Syria mission is not
meant to have a deterrent effect, why be surprised if you get taken at your word. The Russian
naval task force that matters seems to be the gaggle of oligarchs calling Putin from their
yachts, imploring him to appease, appease, appease.
Why is it always all or nothing with these "pro-Russia military experts". America doesn't
need a "major military defeat", America needs consequences. Trump is very vulnerable once his
political base finds out that he's embarked on a massive nation-building project in E Syria.
But so far, the deplorables have had no reason to pay attention because the occupation has
been cheap. You serve up some payback for the assassinated Russian general, the Wagner
personnel, and the jet downed by a MANPAD which was just lying around with the moderates, and
the calculus changes. But this would require shelving the partnership delusions in lieu of,
well, reality. Have the Kremlin critters simply become too old for that?
Israel had joint exercises with Russia and probably they know exactly how to defeat the
most advanced Russian AA weapons systems. ( not something Iran which had paid through the
nose for those systems was happy about) . America will be told.
"Sadly, the rather evident answer to that is that the upcoming missile strike has less to
do with the war in Syria and much more to do with internal US politics."
Is it possible that, in their desperation, Orange Clown and his jewish-supremacist
handlers seek to undermine Vladimir Putin's domestic political support by trying to make him
look weak? IOW every time Orange Clown does another war crime in Syria, and Vladimir Putin
fails to respond firmly, he's portrayed as being weak/indecisive, which at some point will
start to take a serious political toll if it hasn't already.
If this is their intent, then it may actually behoove the perpetrators to let their
false-flag plans be "discovered." The more outrageously brazen they are, the more
deliberately sloppy they are, the worse Putin will look if he does nothing decisive in
response.
To put it another way, the Orange Clown demoniac and its demoniac handlers, knowing that
Vladimir Putin is restrained because he doesn't want to risk escalation to nuclear war, are
using the whole world as a "human shield" to attack Putin politically by committing
unanswered war crimes in Syria.
Russia holds a strong card that it will use if the USA bombs Syria: Iranian army on Israel
border with Syria.
Israel is panicking to see Iran at its borders in Syria, in Lebanon and Iraq gradually
joining in. It is trying to get the USA to announce annexation of the Golan Heights so that
the presence of Iranians troops will be seen as an aggression. As long as the Golan Heights
is a Syrian occupied land Iran has a justification to be present there at the invitation of
Syria.
Russia is the only power that could negotiate with Syria and Iran for a restraint. Israel is
now a hostage and it is probably begging the USA either to announce the Golan Heights
annexation or to stop antagonizing Russia.
Putin is certainly playing this card. Will Trump announce the annexation of the Golan Heights
to neutralize this card?
Russia knows the who, what, why and where of the planned false flag.
And it takes no action to stop it. No soldiers, either Syrian or others, no bombing
campaign, nothing.
It just complains and hopes "international opinion" will cause FUKUS to change course
because, whining works.
And so we get the State Department response as in this vid that "they try to put the
blame, they try to put the onus on other groups and we don't buy that."
Silly question. Of course, it's scheduled and planned. Head-choppers in Idlib received
whatever will be passed as the chemical weapons of the Syrian forces and abducted a number of
children that will be sacrificed as "victims of chemical attack".
The only question is whether will the US go through with it, goaded by Israel and neocons, or
whether common sense (or cowardice) prevails and the aggression will be called off.
We'll see soon enough.
You mean bomb the storage of chemicals? Wouldn't this cause a release of dangerous gas?
And then the rebels would say that Russia dropped chemical bomb.
Personally, I think it's BS. Russia has no solid intel, and is spreading propaganda
preemptively, "crying wolf". The attack itself is less important than international reaction
to it, so Russia's goal in this is to prepare the public opinion that some chemical incident
might happen.
'One of many truths lost within this discourse is the reality that the creation of a
no-fly zone would, in the words of the most senior general in the US Armed Forces, mean the
US going to war "against Syria and Russia". '
I'm not suggesting that Pompeo is a Russian puppet ..I am stating that Pompeo is a
cockroach and I would like to know how to say this in Russian ..
Pompeo is a psychopath who works on behalf of the special interests that own the US .and
these special interests are:Israel .Military Industrial Complex .Big Oil ..and Silicon Valley
..
Pompeo enjoys the power he has .and using this power to murder millions ..Pompeo will be
in a state of rapturous joy perhaps in 7 days ..when his species .blataria .begin its one
billion .two billion .three billion year reign on the Planet Earth .Pompeo and Hillary
Clinton will be the King and Queen breeding pair of this virulent blataria species when they
step out of their concrete bunker on the 8th day of this SATANIC CREATION
The most plausible theory is what I would call my theory of "government by disingenuous
dialectics." In this theory, the perfidious Orange Clown (Trump) and all of those around him
are nothing more than puppets; they're all actors on a stage. Of course Trump is cast as the
central figure, the fickle "decider," who is at the same time portrayed as a hapless victim;
a weak-willed, impressionable, morally/philosophically rudderless character; a sympathetic
figure who has generally "good" intentions, but who finds himself in complete reliance on
those around him for guidance.
The brilliant usefulness of this system of faux "government" is that it gives the
puppet masters maximum flexibility – which is especially valuable in the uncharted
waters they're presently in which involve testing limits and probing for red lines.
In practice, the well-meaning and always blameless Trump surrounds himself with a
coterie of people of varying degrees of unreasonableness, and then gets to pick one from the
magazine as the situation warrants, or something like that.
For example, when he makes bellicose threats against Syria, Iran, North Korea, Russia,
etc., he's listening to Pompeo or Bolton; and then, if/when it appears Russia will retaliate
militarily and he needs a way out, the more reasonable Mattis luckily catches his ear and
"convinces him" to back down.
As another example, when he launched those 59 cruise missiles at Syrian govt. military
forces and infrastructure, it wasn't because that's what his jewish-supremacist handlers
wanted, it was because of his daughter's tears at the sight of dead children.
Like former Trump advisor Steve Bannon said, the Trump that we fought for to win the WH
is gone. The neo-cons know most Americans are worn out, and sick of these endless ME wars,
which we have spent trillions on (and which we have no legit interest in fighting), while
watching our infrastructure go to hell because of lack of money spent on maintenance, but
they don't give a damn, since their loyalty is to Israel.
Trump has allowed himself to be surrounded and has surrendered to the worst of the worst
war mongering neoCONs, like that vile nut case Bolton, who thinks mass murder of the real
Semites, like the Syrians and Iranians, is the answer to any question.
Not only did multi-billionaire and rabid Zionist Sheldon Adelson pay for the new US Embassy
in Jerusalem, he also apparently purchased what remained of Trump's soul. This is the same
sadist that thinks the US should drop a nuke or two in the Iranian desert, just to show them
we mean business. What business, the mass-murder of Iranians?
Just watch this 'Best of My War Mongering' by the ultimate war mongering neo-con, John
McCain, as he talks about killing Persians in such an excited way, he almost looks like he
has an orgasm at the same time.
That's the kind of dangerous crazies now running the Trump WH, with Shadow President Kushner
passing info to and fro his bed buddy, Israeli PM and War Criminal Netenyahu.
P.S. I actually thought the neo-con crazies would have given 'Insane McCain' a rousing
send off to Hades by launching a massive missile attack against Syria, but maybe those
Russian warships in the eastern Med, with their superior EW jamming units and anti-missile
guns, made them actually think rationally for once.
During the Vietnam 'war' the US lost a total of 1,737 aircraft to hostile action
[accidents not included]. A lot were shot down by Russian pilots in Vietnamese uniforms. It
didn't lead to WWIII.
While U.S. neocons hold the world hostage to their game of nuclear chicken , even
the dimmest American jingos are beginning to perceive that the neocons may be a greater
threat to humanity's survival than the Russian president.
Thankfully, Putin is slowly outflanking the neocon crazies on every front. He bobs and
weaves while their punches land on air. Putin will continue to shun direct confrontation with
these megalomaniacs armed with nuclear weapons as long as he is winning on the battlefield in
Syria as well as on the battlefield of public opinion.
Putin is winning because he has a strong ally that the neocons never took into account:
sanity . Sanity mandates that Syrians choose Assad over ISIS, and thus the
neocons ultimately face their own stark choice: a rational, multipolar world like the one
Putin is advocating, or nuclear incineration. The Russians and the Syrians are going to
persevere. Since the neocons are power mad but not completely psychotic, they will read the
handwriting on the wall, declare victory, and leave.
The purpose seems simply to provoke the Russians into a more forceful reaction than the
last time. The CIA probably fed them the recon about the impending "gas attack" on purpose.
Pompeo telling them that "they will be held responsible" is intended to induce Russia to
strike at American targets first, which will then, together with the "chemical attack", be
passed off to the American public as evidence of evil Russian aggression. At the same time,
the noise about "Trump the Russian Puppet" will ramp up once more, "spontaneous" mass
demonstrations will gather in the streets, and down he goes. At least that is the plan.
Russia would be stupid to play along with this. Their naval and air reconnaissance build-up
is meant to avoid the need of striking first by providing sufficient protection from
an American first strike. Being able to say to Americans "you gave it your best shot, but we
denied you" will be a strong enough statement on the world stage.
The U.S. and NATO are in Syria illegally, while Russia was invited in by the Syrian
government to help defend against an attack by the U.S./ISRAEL/BRITAIN created ISIS aka AL
CIADA and so Syria is being destroyed by the Zionist forces that control the U.S. and Britain
and all of Europe.
The problem is that Zionists are in control and have the U.S. and NATO destroying the
Mideast for Zionist Israel and its goal of a Zionist controlled NWO aka ONE WORLD GOV and
they have only Syria and Iran left to destroy so they will do anything in their power to see
their goal accomplished.
If this goal of destroying Syria and Iran means a nuclear war with Russia the SATANIC
Zionist forces in control of the U.S. and Europe will be glad to have a nuclear war with
Russia as they feel that they will survive it in their DUMBS ie deep underground military
bases which they have throughout the U.S. and Europe and which are connected via a tunnel
system throughout the U.S. and Europe.
The satanic Zionists believe that Russia is the only roadblock in the way of their satanic
Zionist NWO and so they feel that a nuclear war with Russia would eliminate this roadblock
and also destroy the only Christian nation that is a threat to their satanic communist
NWO.
If anyone doubts that the satanic zionists control the U.S. gov, remember this, Zionist
Israel and the zionist controlled deep state did 911 and murdered some 3000 Americans on 911
and got away with it and every thinking American knows that Israel did it, we are under
satanic zionist control.
Putin is winning. He just allows the arrogant neocons to enrage other nations. Turkey is a
key player and no longer an American ally. Germany and others have refused to reinstate
sanctions on Iran as ordered by Trump. They refuse to shut off Russian gas pipelines and
suffer an economic disaster. The neocon's key puppet Merkel is unpopular and may not last
long, while the majority of Germans now want US troops gone.
Trump sees this and is trying to make peace with North Korea after South Korea said it was
going ahead with peace no matter what Trump thought. Watch this great short video of Putin
explaining that the USA doesn't have allies, only vassals. Watch Europeans nodding and some
applauding.
You mean, a murderer and rapist who does not admit his guilt is more "civilized" than the
one who does? An unorthodox perspective. I can't imagine that many people would agree with
it.
Not to mention that Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria were all clear
cases of naked aggression on the part of the US.
"A few ineffective tomahawks mean nothing at this stage."
Then why would Orange Clown and his handlers do it in the first place?
A few ineffective tomahawks here, and a few ineffective tomahawks there, and a few more
ineffective tomahawks whenever and wherever, preceded by the most brazen false-flag chemical
attack yet, and pretty soon Putin starts looking like a pathetic weakling.
If Orange Clown attacks Syria again, the real target is Putin's domestic political
support, IMO.
As I see it, Orange Clown and his handlers are using all life on this planet as a "shield"
behind which they will endlessly provoke Russia.
The only reason Assad is still in power is the US military helped him. The US Joint Chiefs
are not going to attack Syria and Russia is not going to get into a war with the US over
Syria.
In the above video Dunford tells Wicker controlling airspace in Syria means war with
Russia. McCain throws a tantrum, then Dunford refines answer. However, it is perfectly
obvious that the current head of the Joint Chiefs is no more keen than Martin Dempsey was on
aggressive action against Assad.
That said , Assad blames everone but himself for the state of his country yet he is
incredibly stupid, and that is a major reason for the Civil War which his father would never
have let happen. If he is foolish enough to use chemical weapons again there will be a
price to pay, similar to previous air strikes on Assad, but the Saker should stop being
hysterical about Russia and America going to war over Assad. He might try and bring it about
by false flagging himself, did Saker ever think of that ?
Mueller has resorted to the classic sleazy prosecutor's gambit of resorting to auxiliary
allegations like perjury. All you need is to bully someone into contradicting the President
and you have a perjury charge if you can trap the President into making statements on
oath.
And re the tangled web of Robert Mueller gang corruption:
From 2001 to 2005 the US gov had an ongoing investigation into the Clinton Foundation.
Governments from around the world had donated to the 'Charity', yet many of those donations
were illegally undeclared.
The investigation mysteriously ended after US Justice Dept staffer James Comey took it
over in 2005. He was assisted by Assistant Attorney General of the United States, Rod
Rosenstein, and FBI Director Robert Mueller.
James Comey's brother works for DLA Piper that handles the Clinton Foundation.
When Hillary Clinton was Obama's US Secretary of State, she supported a decision to sell
20% of US Uranium to Russia. Bill Clinton went to Moscow, was paid US $500,000 for a
one-hour speech, and met with Vladimir Putin at his home. Entities connected to the Uranium
One deal then donated US $145 million to the Clinton Foundation
FBI Director Robert Mueller oversaw the Russian 'deal' Rod Rosenstein was placed under
gag order not to speak of it.
Also while Hillary was Secretary of State, her friend James Comey moved from the US
Justice Dept to Lockheed Martin, earning millions himself, with 17 no-bid contracts for
Lockheed Martin with Hillary's State Dept.
When the Benghazi investigations uncovered the Hillary e-mail offences and placement of
Top Secret information on her private servers, the investigation was in the hands of James
Comey, who had returned to gov service as FBI Director, where he 'could not find' any
crimes regarding Hillary.
Lisa Barsoomian is a lawyer who, over time in many cases, was either herself or her
legal partner acting in representation of James Comey, Robert Mueller, Bill Clinton,
Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, the FBI and the CIA Lisa Barsoomian is the wife of US
Assistant Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed Robert Mueller to his current
job.
You could have mentioned Robert Reich's call for the entire Trump presidency to be
annulled, including erasure of all executive orders he has issues and unseating of all judges
and officials he has appointed. In a perfect nod to Stalinism, he is is to be sent down the
memory hole with every shred of evidence of his existence airbrushed out of existence. BTW,
Reich is a great name for one who comments on how to deal with Nazis, nicht war?
The corporate media run these features in the wake of every "Trump Deathwatch" episode
to taper liberals off the effects of the mindless hysteria they have just finished
generating.
Yeah, wouldn't want to those liburls to go cold-turkey and crash on the sidewalk with
blood running out of their ears, noses and eye sockets.
And on and on, and on, it goes and will continue to go until 2020, unless Trump decides
to attack Iran, which I doubt The Resistance® will let him do, because that would get
extremely weird, as they would somehow have to simultaneously support another US war of
aggression and condemn Trump as Adolf Hitler for starting it.
Don't doubt. Doublethink is an integrated feature of liberalism and there would not be any
sort of problem whatsoever in doing both. Like a priest how lies with a sex worker, then has
her whipped and branded for being a temptress.
Inb4 Corvinus proclaiming his fealthy in Mueller and his "extremely complex,
never-had-it-before" investigation that will calve any minute now.
That was the old days. The cold war was playing it safe. The US did coups and wars then
too. Vietnam and South Asia was bombed and destroyed. Coups in Latin America were a regular
thing. Cuba was the only one that managed to keep the US out. After the cold war, the US
branched out to Europe (Yugoslavia, Ukraine), North Africa (Libya) and West Asia (
Afghanistan, Iraq). The US has been going crazy in the middle east since 1991. 1991 Iraq war
ended on Purim 1991. 2003 war on Iraq started on Purim. 2011 war on Libya started on Purim.
Notice the eight year play for the last two. Is Iran in line for the next Purim attack in
2019?
Readjustment!!!!
And so it took two years for Miller and his team of superhero lawyers to find one miserable
tax cheat, who was hiding his money in all the wrong places.
So what is IRS doing anyway? Playing with theirs ?
This is only one, little bit more significant signs of decaying of US hegemonistic
Capitalism.
One way or the other, with Trump or without Trump Us society is standing on the doorsteps of
major readjustment theoretical, practical, and political.
Hypocrisy will end, and somebody will have to tell the American people the naked truth.
Russia had zero influence on US politics by the time of Reagan, the main
source of
subversion in America switched to Israel and is now also the main source of the opposition to
Trump. He can take the mainspring out of the opposition machine by wrong-footing his enemies
in the Jewish community with an attack on Iran. It will only remain to destablise Jordan then
expel the Palestinians from the West Bank and officially annex it, and the anti-Trump
movement will be like the Left after the Six Day War.
Mueller, the man accused on a German site of having perpetrated Lockerby, to kill a rival
secret service, that found out about Mueller's drug trade in Beirut.
It was, if it is true, great for Mueller that he was the USA investigator of Lockerby.
I wonder if it is known in the USA that already during the trial held in the Netherlands,
the father of one of the victims, who was at the trial, that some about the mechanism for the
ignition was inconsistent.
This was later confirmed by the, if I remember correctly, Swiss manufacturer.
The Libyan convicted for Lockerby went to a Scottish jail, quite soon, a Scottish
investigation committee came to the conclusion that he was innocent.
Those who lost relatives in the disaster never got answer to the question how and why it was
possible that shortly before take off in London VIP's were manoevred out of the plane.
As to the Libyan, 'luckily' he got a deadly disease, great smokescreen for letting him
go.
Until now we do not how the cause of the death of Arafat.
If Mueller is as criminal as asserted, I cannot know.
However, three years after Sept 11 I could no longer fool myself, this was not a Muslim
terrorist attack.
The mentioned German site also explained that Sept 11 brought a profit of some $ 5 billion to
thr owners of the Twin Towers, to be paid by Allianz, A German firm, that as a result had to
fire 3000 employees.
The insurance with Allianz dated from three weeks before Sept 11.
So, for who thinks, what is his point, no crime within the USA I judge impossible any
more.
Also not accusing a president of things that never happened.
Wonder if hegemonistic capitalism can decay.
When in Florida I visited the Flagler museum, accompanied by a USA friend who lived in the
vicinity.
He told me some interesting Flagler stories.
The main USA problem, is, in my opinion, that little has changed since the times of Flagler
and Rockefeller.
Rockefeller, BTW, was able in a few years time, by buying a news agency, to change his image
with the USA public from ruthless capitalist to philantropist, Bill Gates and Soros
accomplished something similar, though not here in Europe.
Polish socialists call the Soros followers 'Sorosjugend'.
"... There it is, slowly coming to light, one of the great political scandals in our history. A sitting Presidents institutes a "counter intelligence" disinformation campaign against an opposition party which is still ongoing. ..."
So it turns out there was NO FISA hearing for the first application to spy on Trump
through Carter Page. It was simply rubber stamped by a Republican (in name only) judge in
this most secret of Star Chambers. What judge wouldn't approve, as it was signed by John
Kerry, his deputy, Susan Rice, her deputy, James Comey, his deputy McCabe, Brennan, Clapper
and to put the icing on top, Ash Carter, Obama's Secretary of Defense? It might just as well
have been signed by the President himself. And this was while he was still in office.
There it is, slowly coming to light, one of the great political scandals in our history. A
sitting Presidents institutes a "counter intelligence" disinformation campaign against an
opposition party which is still ongoing. Trump wants his FBI and DOJ to "do the right thing"
or he "may have to get involved." He better act soon or be scalped by Mueller.
"... Oh, and also, they would have a hard time explaining why Putin had ordered his stooge in the White House to attack Russia's ally in the Middle East." ..."
My favorite part of this article: "And on and on, and on, it goes and will continue to go
until 2020, unless Trump decides to attack Iran, which I doubt The Resistance® will let
him do, because that would get extremely weird, as they would somehow have to simultaneously
support another US war of aggression and condemn Trump as Adolf Hitler for starting it.
Oh, and also, they would have a hard time explaining why Putin had ordered his stooge in
the White House to attack Russia's ally in the Middle East."
We live in times in which the media elites and academia are fully insane. That means that
the 'normal' levels of insanity and venality for career politicians will be ramped up.
So this "tribe" (as you call them) are the folks leading the criticism of the President?
These folks "own the media" you aver -- yes?
Hmmm, then that clearly can't be a "tribe" which includes Netanyahu, his likudniks and
neo-cons and militant right-wing, American billionaire Zionists -- because they've never had
it so good under any U.S. President.
As for the Palestinians (let alone the American middle class), well, things are rather
different.
unilateral private media ownership is the problem, not privatized tribal hate for Trump or
whomever..
Government vs Private Parallel Media can solve many, many problems created by Deep
State it can quickly turn the tables on the deep state or strongly support it.. Since
1492 when Martin Luther exposed unilateral backroom power, massive singularities of
accumulated wealth, and controlled, filtered propaganda to the masses. government has become
the responsibility of the governed, and the governors have become the servants of the masses.
However, those same powers Luther exposed have done everything in their power to deny the
masses the right to self determination
Trump has a plan to nationalize the media, but I think he should merely parallel the
private media with open source government media ( no rules to use it, none, not any, sex
weird stuff, criminal stuff, whatever ,just let anyone with something to say say it on their
own website hosted by the government). Produce a government media hosting site, allow anyone,
foreign or local, to present on the public media. use government developed search engine and
indexing technology (no private party no private contractors, everything and everyone
involved at the government host site is a government employee and all technology is developed
by government for government use only) and let the masses decide for themselves both 1) form
of government and 2) degree of corruption they will accept. Everyone can then select do they
want to view the Deep State Media or one of the millions of content providers visible on the
government media host.
"Zionism(A.K.A. Neo-Cons, and all "Israeli Firsters") is a political ideology based upon
the suspension of reason and common sense, rooted upon a macabre death wish that worships the
state of Israel.
Israel-First loyalists do not have to be Jewish. Christian-Zionists routinely forgo
faithfulness to our country, when they place Israel above the interests of our own nation.
The notion that Israel is a trusted ally is the most absurd illusion that exists in a
demented political culture. This is the "Big Lie", an invention of Zionist subversion, which
is the cause of an insane American foreign policy. Israel-First zealots control every aspect
of political power in the United States. An actual American holocaust that stares us directly
in our faces stems from sick fraudulent propaganda and phony guilt deceit that only benefits
Zionists and Israel."
I hope not. If Trump wants to go down a hero, he can be the monkey wrench that wrecks so
much damage on the machine that it's no longer capable of threatening the world. If he can
perform a controlled demolition of the USA, the rest of the world will continue just fine
without them. We'll remember him as a hero for preventing WW3.
None of this makes any difference. The MSM still control 98 percent of the information
transmission systems in the western world. Indeed, (((they))) are beginning to prohibit other
information systems such as the internet.
What you don't hear about never happened. The flip side of that coin is that what you hear
about over and over comes to be reality, regardless. Think Tawana Brawley. Think Duke sports
teams.
Where there's smoke there must be fire, right?
Trump has a talent for feeding the MSM red meat. Always with a good dose of poison mixed
in so they are happy to shoot themselves in the foot. Think Roseanne Roseannadanna.
Nevermind
Well, he can't attack Syria because Israel, ya know, might get hot grease spattered on
them. And besides, Israel wants Syria with as little additional damage as possible, leaving
an attack on Iran as the only method of "attacking" Russia. But, it cannot be done directly,
with flimsy excuses. The excuses are just too damn flimsy.
Also, life is too damn good for American Army mercenaries to have to risk life and limb
for another meaningless ME conflict. Nope, the Army needs another five years, at the very
least, before another round of medals and benefit-increases justifies their personal risk. US
Army take-home, "combat" pay and massive health-and-living benefits amount to the best living
any white American boy can experience, but there is a limit.
Now, limited-scope attack by proxy? Iraq border conflict? Afghanistan border conflict?
Both good, plus there is already umpty-ump bajillion $ of US taxpayer-paid military equipment
in Afghanistan. Good excuse to junk it all and get new stuff. That's what taxpayers are for,
after all.
The fact is that the U.S. is a Zionist controlled plantation and there is no difference at
the top levels between the demonrats and the republicons as both are Zionist controlled and
are traitors to America, as proof of this is the Israeli and Zionist controlled deep state
attack on 911 which killed 3000 Americans and Israel and the Zionists got away with it and
every thinking America knows they did it.
The only difference between Trump and Helliary is their plumbing, both are Zionist puppets
and the ziocons run the U.S. gov..
"... C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing (USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org . ..."
Personally, I'm rooting for the Democrats to take control of the House in the midterms,
purely for the sake of entertainment.
After calling this ass clown a Russian spy and Literal Hitler for the last two years,
they're going have to at least pretend to impeach him, or else stage a series of
internationally-televised neo-McCarthyite congressional hearings to root out the diabolical
networks of Putin-Nazis that have infested America, and Britannia, and the rest of the
West.
That's the main thing, after all. Yes, the corporatist ruling classes need to make an
example of Trump to dissuade any future billionaire ass clowns from running for high office
without their permission, but even more so, they need to put down the "populist" opposition to
the spread of global capitalism and the gradual
phase-out of national sovereignty that began with Brexit and continued with Trump, so they
can transform the smoldering remains of the Earth into one big happy neoliberal market run by
supranational corporations and the "democratic governments" they have bought and paid for
which
Damn, I think I may have gone and opened a rather enormous can of leftist worms right at the
end of this essay by mentioning the "national sovereignty" thing. So, leftists, please ignore
the previous paragraph. National sovereignty is the same as nationalism. Nationalism is very,
very bad. Internationalism is good. Internationalist socialism is what we all want. Okay,
admittedly, the forces of internationalist socialism appear to be well, somewhat marginal at
the moment (or possibly virtually non-existent), but that's not a problem, because the global
capitalists will be happy to internationalize everything for us, and to do away with all those
nasty nationalists, and that national government-subsidized healthcare and university education
and all that stuff.
So let's forget that I mentioned national sovereignty, because that's all Putinist Trumpism,
and so on. There's absolutely no reason at all for leftists to discuss that subject, or to view
it in any kind of larger historical or geopolitical context or anything. Once the global
corporate empire finishes their Privatization of Everything, I'm sure they will be open to
considering socialism. They'll probably even let us vote on it. By then,
they will have cleansed the Internet of all the discord-sowing Putin-Nazis so there won't
be any danger of being "influenced" to vote the wrong way or anything.
In the meantime, don't forget to do your part in the War on Trump, Putin, Assad, Corbyn, and
whoever else the corporate media tell us we're at war against. Forget about global capitalism.
Keep obsessing about Donald Trump. And if you get tired of obsessing about Donald Trump, you
can always
call Corbyn an anti-Semite , or
accuse Glenn Greenwald of working for Putin , or, if you've got some free time and want to
get creative, compile a Directory
of International Assadists , or some other paranoid pseudo-blacklist. Every little
contribution counts!
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in
Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing
(USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is
published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org .
And on and on, and on, it goes and will continue to go until 2020, unless Trump decides
to attack Iran, which I doubt The Resistance® will let him do, because that would get
extremely weird, as they would somehow have to simultaneously support another US war of
aggression and condemn Trump as Adolf Hitler for starting it. Oh, and also, they would have
a hard time explaining why Putin had ordered his stooge in the White House to attack
Russia's ally in the Middle East. So, probably, no attack on Iran.
..Robert Mueller, who is doggedly investigating allegations that the President of the
United States is a devious Russian intelligence asset personally planted in the Oval Office
by Vladimir Putin, the Russian mob, and a conspiracy of crackerjack "cyber-influencers,"
who brainwashed millions of American voters into betraying Hillary Clinton, and the nation,
with a bunch of emails and some Facebook posts, and who are even now waging "a chaos
campaign to undermine faith in American democracy."
If only there was an Agent 99 to bring some levity and balance to Robert Mueller's Maxwell
Smart personna then everything would be complete.
"... My favorite part of this article: "And on and on, and on, it goes and will continue to go until 2020, unless Trump decides to attack Iran, which I doubt The Resistance® will let him do, because that would get extremely weird, as they would somehow have to simultaneously support another US war of aggression and condemn Trump as Adolf Hitler for starting it. ..."
"... Oh, and also, they would have a hard time explaining why Putin had ordered his stooge in the White House to attack Russia's ally in the Middle East." ..."
My favorite part of this article: "And on and on, and on, it goes and will continue to go
until 2020, unless Trump decides to attack Iran, which I doubt The Resistance® will let
him do, because that would get extremely weird, as they would somehow have to simultaneously
support another US war of aggression and condemn Trump as Adolf Hitler for starting it.
Oh, and also, they would have a hard time explaining why Putin had ordered his stooge
in the White House to attack Russia's ally in the Middle East."
We live in times in which the media elites and academia are fully insane. That means that
the 'normal' levels of insanity and venality for career politicians will be ramped up.
So this "tribe" (as you call them) are the folks leading the criticism of the President?
These folks "own the media" you aver -- yes?
Hmmm, then that clearly can't be a "tribe" which includes Netanyahu, his likudniks and
neo-cons and militant right-wing, American billionaire Zionists -- because they've never had
it so good under any U.S. President.
As for the Palestinians (let alone the American middle class), well, things are rather
different.
unilateral private media ownership is the problem, not privatized tribal hate for Trump or
whomever..
Government vs Private Parallel Media can solve many, many problems created by Deep
State it can quickly turn the tables on the deep state or strongly support it.. Since
1492 when Martin Luther exposed unilateral backroom power, massive singularities of
accumulated wealth, and controlled, filtered propaganda to the masses. government has become
the responsibility of the governed, and the governors have become the servants of the masses.
However, those same powers Luther exposed have done everything in their power to deny the
masses the right to self determination
Trump has a plan to nationalize the media, but I think he should merely parallel the
private media with open source government media ( no rules to use it, none, not any, sex
weird stuff, criminal stuff, whatever ,just let anyone with something to say say it on their
own website hosted by the government). Produce a government media hosting site, allow anyone,
foreign or local, to present on the public media. use government developed search engine and
indexing technology (no private party no private contractors, everything and everyone
involved at the government host site is a government employee and all technology is developed
by government for government use only) and let the masses decide for themselves both 1) form
of government and 2) degree of corruption they will accept. Everyone can then select do they
want to view the Deep State Media or one of the millions of content providers visible on the
government media host.
"Zionism(A.K.A. Neo-Cons, and all "Israeli Firsters") is a political ideology based upon
the suspension of reason and common sense, rooted upon a macabre death wish that worships the
state of Israel.
Israel-First loyalists do not have to be Jewish. Christian-Zionists routinely forgo
faithfulness to our country, when they place Israel above the interests of our own nation.
The notion that Israel is a trusted ally is the most absurd illusion that exists in a
demented political culture. This is the "Big Lie", an invention of Zionist subversion, which
is the cause of an insane American foreign policy. Israel-First zealots control every aspect
of political power in the United States. An actual American holocaust that stares us directly
in our faces stems from sick fraudulent propaganda and phony guilt deceit that only benefits
Zionists and Israel."
I hope not. If Trump wants to go down a hero, he can be the monkey wrench that wrecks so
much damage on the machine that it's no longer capable of threatening the world. If he can
perform a controlled demolition of the USA, the rest of the world will continue just fine
without them. We'll remember him as a hero for preventing WW3.
None of this makes any difference. The MSM still control 98 percent of the information
transmission systems in the western world. Indeed, (((they))) are beginning to prohibit other
information systems such as the internet.
What you don't hear about never happened. The flip side of that coin is that what you hear
about over and over comes to be reality, regardless. Think Tawana Brawley. Think Duke sports
teams.
Where there's smoke there must be fire, right?
Trump has a talent for feeding the MSM red meat. Always with a good dose of poison mixed
in so they are happy to shoot themselves in the foot. Think Roseanne Roseannadanna.
Nevermind
Well, he can't attack Syria because Israel, ya know, might get hot grease spattered on
them. And besides, Israel wants Syria with as little additional damage as possible, leaving
an attack on Iran as the only method of "attacking" Russia. But, it cannot be done directly,
with flimsy excuses. The excuses are just too damn flimsy.
Also, life is too damn good for American Army mercenaries to have to risk life and limb
for another meaningless ME conflict. Nope, the Army needs another five years, at the very
least, before another round of medals and benefit-increases justifies their personal risk. US
Army take-home, "combat" pay and massive health-and-living benefits amount to the best living
any white American boy can experience, but there is a limit.
Now, limited-scope attack by proxy? Iraq border conflict? Afghanistan border conflict?
Both good, plus there is already umpty-ump bajillion $ of US taxpayer-paid military equipment
in Afghanistan. Good excuse to junk it all and get new stuff. That's what taxpayers are for,
after all.
The fact is that the U.S. is a Zionist controlled plantation and there is no difference at
the top levels between the demonrats and the republicons as both are Zionist controlled and
are traitors to America, as proof of this is the Israeli and Zionist controlled deep state
attack on 911 which killed 3000 Americans and Israel and the Zionists got away with it and
every thinking America knows they did it.
The only difference between Trump and Helliary is their plumbing, both are Zionist puppets
and the ziocons run the U.S. gov..
But there is a third party to these agreements--South Korea--and we certainly know South
Koreans stand to lose as much as their kin in the North should war again erupt.
I'm sure
Korean press have asked President Moon for his reaction, but it's likely published in Korean.
At this point Moon must choose between his nothing to gain alliance with the Outlaw US Empire
or his excellent opportunity to make Korea whole again and the outstanding economic gains
that will bring.
I must also wonder if in his meetings with Kim they discussed the very
likely prospect that this situation would arise and how to counter.
In two weeks, the Far Eastern Economic Conference will begin in Vladivostok where sideline
talks will likely occur on this issue, but I'd hope we'd see a few statements in reaction
well before then. Also, prior to Mattis's announcement, the following event was reported by
DPRK news outlet Rodong Sinmun and
subsequently reported by EurasiaFuture :
"According to a south Korean radio, U.S. special units in Japan staged a drill of flying 1
200 km to the Philippines through air transport.
"The radio said one can confirm that the drill would be the drill aimed at "the
infiltration into Pyongyang" in case of change of direction.
"Prior to the exercise, it was disclosed that the Michigan, the nuclear submarine
belonging to the U.S. Navy, transported Green Berets, Delta Force and other special units
present in Okinawa, Japan to the Jinhae naval base of south Korea in late July or early in
August.
"In this regard, Rodong Sinmun in a commentary on Sunday says that it was extremely
provocative and dangerous military moves to mar the hard-won atmosphere of the peace on the
Korean peninsula and the dialogue between the DPRK and the U.S. and prevent the
implementation of the Singapore DPRK-U.S. Joint Statement.
"Such acts prove that the U.S. is hatching a criminal plot to unleash a war against the
DPRK and commit a crime which deserves merciless divine punishment in case the U.S. fails in
the scenario of the DPRK's unjust and brigandish 'denuclearization first'.
"We can not but take a serious note of the double-dealing attitudes of the U.S. as it is
busy staging secret drills involving man-killing special units while having a dialogue with a
smile on its face.
"The U.S. would be sadly mistaken if it thinks that it can browbeat someone through trite
"gunboat diplomacy" which it used to employ as an almighty weapon in the past and attain its
sinister intention.
"The U.S. should ponder over its deeds."
Clearly, the US had already pondered for as soon as the ink was dry in Singapore, the
Outlaw US Empire unilaterally moved denuclearization from step 3 to step 1 and has kept that
stance.
"... Maximum pressure usually just provokes maximum resistance, and it leads to more of the behavior that the pressure campaign was supposed to stop. ..."
"... Our policymakers rarely, if ever, learn much of anything from our government's past blunders and crimes. If they acknowledge that previous policies failed, they are reluctant to admit that the policies were certain to fail. It is much more common for policymakers and pundits to blame the failure of our policies abroad on the inadequacies of our proxies and allies or the designs of our adversaries. The fact that these policies can be undone so easily by obvious and foreseeable problems does not seem to matter. There are not many that are willing to accept that a policy failed because it was inherently unsound. ..."
"... Real learning is impossible without a willingness to question and then discard faulty assumptions, and far too many of our policymakers and political leaders won't ever get rid of certain assumptions about the U.S. role in the world. Once someone takes for granted that the U.S. has both the right and the authority to meddle in the affairs of other states and dictate their policies to them on pain of collective punishment and/or war, he is likely to see the pursuit of regime change in other lands as being almost synonymous with American "leadership" itself. ..."
"... "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" Upton Sinclair. ..."
"... The largest donor to re-election campaigns are the military industrial complex, and it is always in their best interest to start or continue more wars. Since they are the ones that control the money, it is always in the interest of elected representatives to support starting or continuing wars. ..."
"... "When will we ever learn?" When will war cease to be profitable for those that have, or claim, War Powers? ..."
"... One should not mistake the useful "bolt-on" careerists that might or might not be true believers in the Great Gamble with the profiteers that have the actual power. The oligarchs and the arms manufacturers do not care whether the policies are wrong or right, failed or successful, as long as there is blood money to be made. If anything, failure in perpetuity is a guarantor of future cash flow and continued rent extraction. ..."
"... When it comes to their relationship with the world, empires do not learn. They bully. Why should the policy makers learn? They are the invincable empire. They can bully and pounce without consequences, no matter the outcome. Learning is for weaklings who need that in order to survive. ..."
"... As a general rule for understanding public policies, I insist that there are no persistent "failed" policies. Policies that do not achieve their desired outcomes for the actual powers -- that-be are quickly changed. If you want to know why the U.S. policies have been what they have been for the past sixty years, you need only comply with that invaluable rule of inquiry in politics: "follow the money." ..."
"... When you do so, I believe you will find U.S. policies in the Middle East to have been wildly successful, so successful that the gains they have produced for the movers and shakers in the petrochemical, financial, and weapons industries (which is approximately to say, for those who have the greatest influence in determining U.S. foreign policies) must surely be counted in the hundreds of billions of dollars. ..."
Thomas Pickering explains that the Trump
administration's Iran policy is doomed to fail on its own terms:
The policy of maximum pressure and unachievable demands is based on deeply flawed
assumptions about Iran and the wise use of American power.
Pickering is describing Trump's Iran policy here, but he could just as easily be talking
about the president's handling of many other issues. The Trump administration insists on
demanding that other governments capitulate, make sweeping concessions that would overturn most
of their current policies, and then punishes them if the other side refuses to comply with
insane ultimatums. No one responds well to being dictated to, and that is particularly true of
regimes that have made opposition to the U.S. a major part of their reigning ideology.
Maximum pressure usually just provokes maximum resistance, and it leads to more of the
behavior that the pressure campaign was supposed to stop.
Later on in his column, Pickering reviews the sorry record of U.S.-sponsored regime change
and then asks:
When will we ever learn?
If the last two decades are anything to go by, the answer is never. Our policymakers
rarely, if ever, learn much of anything from our government's past blunders and crimes. If they
acknowledge that previous policies failed, they are reluctant to admit that the policies were
certain to fail. It is much more common for policymakers and pundits to blame the failure of
our policies abroad on the inadequacies of our proxies and allies or the designs of our
adversaries. The fact that these policies can be undone so easily by obvious and foreseeable
problems does not seem to matter. There are not many that are willing to accept that a policy
failed because it was inherently unsound.
"We" never learn because so many of our political leaders and analysts don't think that our
failed policies were wrong in themselves. The only thing that they are interested in knowing is
how to implement the same bad ideas more "effectively" the next time. These are the people that
still think that preventive war and regime change are appropriate policy options when done the
"right" way. Real learning is impossible without a willingness to question and then discard
faulty assumptions, and far too many of our policymakers and political leaders won't ever get
rid of certain assumptions about the U.S. role in the world. Once someone takes for granted
that the U.S. has both the right and the authority to meddle in the affairs of other states and
dictate their policies to them on pain of collective punishment and/or war, he is likely to see
the pursuit of regime change in other lands as being almost synonymous with American
"leadership" itself.
While I appreciate your optimism I am far more cynical. Our leaders won't learn for the
same reason tobacco companies rejected evidence that smoking is bad for you.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his
not understanding it!" Upton Sinclair.
The largest donor to re-election campaigns are the military industrial complex, and it is
always in their best interest to start or continue more wars. Since they are the ones that
control the money, it is always in the interest of elected representatives to support
starting or continuing wars.
There is no money to be made in peace. Everything else, sadly, is just window
dressing.
A sound conclusion based on accumulated evidence is hard to refute. But 2 decades? Nah,
more like 5, at least for those who remember Vietnam, a case in which political affiliation
ultimately didn't matter to those pursuing the inevitable conclusion of the mistakes they
believed they could set right. LBJ got us into it and Nixon, having committed treason by
secretly undermining the peace negotiations while running in '68, 'finished the job' by
keeping us there 4 more years, at a huge cost in American lives that far exceeded the
casualty toll in the more recent debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The real reason why is because the US is so rich even George W Bush's $2 Trillion blunder
in Iraq is something a $20T economy can shrug off. How long that remains the case against a
resurgent China is anyone's guess.
"our political leaders and analysts don't think that our failed policies were wrong in
themselves"
One should not mistake the useful "bolt-on" careerists that might or might not be true
believers in the Great Gamble with the profiteers that have the actual power. The oligarchs
and the arms manufacturers do not care whether the policies are wrong or right, failed or
successful, as long as there is blood money to be made. If anything, failure in perpetuity is
a guarantor of future cash flow and continued rent extraction.
Mr. Larison is an American Republican in the original sense of the word in my view. But I
get the feeling he does not realize that when it comes to foreign policy, the US is not a
republic. It is an empire. It only is a republic at home.
When it comes to their relationship with the world, empires do not learn. They bully. Why
should the policy makers learn? They are the invincable empire. They can bully and pounce
without consequences, no matter the outcome.
Learning is for weaklings who need that in order to survive.
Empires do not learn, they fall. Either military or financially. Till that day comes, no learning!
Good to hear from Tom Pickering. I'm very glad his generation retains its voice and
contributes to the foreign policy debate. Sometimes it seems like it's all punk kids and
neocons who either don't know what the hell they're talking about or are lobbying for a
foreign country. More Pickering please, and less of the other stuff.
As a general rule for understanding public policies, I insist that there are no
persistent "failed" policies. Policies that do not achieve their desired outcomes for the
actual powers -- that-be are quickly changed. If you want to know why the U.S. policies have
been what they have been for the past sixty years, you need only comply with that
invaluable rule of inquiry in politics: "follow the money."
When you do so, I believe you will find U.S. policies in the Middle East to have been
wildly successful, so successful that the gains they have produced for the movers and
shakers in the petrochemical, financial, and weapons industries (which is approximately to
say, for those who have the greatest influence in determining U.S. foreign policies) must
surely be counted in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
So U.S. soldiers get killed, so Palestinians get insulted, robbed, and confined to a set
of squalid concentration areas, so the "peace process" never gets far from square one,
etc., etc. -- none of this makes the policies failures; these things are all surface froth,
costs not born by the policy makers themselves but by the cannon-fodder masses, the bovine
taxpayers at large, and foreigners who count for nothing.
"... During the C21st the Conservative Party has become reliant on Jewish money. Even more than her predecessor Cameron, May is a "value free zone", as the commentator Richard North categorised her. She does whatever the donors want. Not that the Labour Party in power would be any better. It is just as riddled with Israel-supporting "moderates". ..."
CRITICIZE ISRAEL AND GO TO JAIL? IS THAT HOW LOW ZIONISTS HAVE SUNK?
Thanks for the interesting article, Sir.
As I read it, I felt sick in the abdomen, at how low the Zionists have sunk, demanding
that those who criticize Israel go to jail.
If there is evil in this world, this is it. These are the dark ages. These people are
primitive and seem to resist civilization.
No civilized human being should put up with this sort of evil.
The Brits need to wake up and actually repeal laws that make certain speech criminal
offences that are already on the books (except for incitements to violence and porn).
The need to vote for Labor and keep Corbyn, or vote for BNP, and tell the Zionists that
they are evil to make these demands.
Israel is not a democracy for a much simpler reason than that the author offers.
It denies the vote to the gentile inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank; that is to say,
to about a quarter of its subjects.
Since the Jewish parties in the Knesset boycott the few Arab representatives that are
there, Israel effectively denies political representation to the gentiles within its
'pre-1967′ boundaries as well -- that is to say, to another sixth or so of its total
subject population.
Obviously, Israel is not a democracy in any sense of the word. 25% of its subjects are
without even theoretical representation, and another 17% lack it in any practical sense. It's
as if the US denied the vote to all inner-city residents except white 'settlers,' refused to
work with Congressmen who weren't Protestants. It would be absurd to regard it as a
democracy.
There are some democracies in the Middle East. Israel isn't one of them.
and Norm Finkelstein brilliantly demolishes the notion that there's any anti-semitism to
speak of in Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party, or Britain in general.
Corbyn is shell shocked and cannot comprehend what is required for him to counter this
blatant attempt at his ouster. An individual that could help him tremendously as an advisor
is Miko Peled, an Israeli citizen, living in the U.S. I mention Peled, because he is a
"lefty" just like Corbyn.
Giraldi writes that, "there exists an 'Israel Lobby' in many countries, all dedicated to
advancing the agendas promoted by successive Israeli governments no matter what the actual
interests of the host country might be."
ADL, a branch of the B'nai B'rith global enterprise, confirms they are subversive agents
that work against their host nation. Straight from their mouth
The center of the Axis of Evil is Zionist Israel. No other country, not even the planet's
"sole superpower" wields so much power and control over other "sovereign" nations as does
Zionist Israel. Regime change? Zionist, apartheid Israel has perfected that art and science
-- and without firing a shot. Why do it when others will cheerfully fight your battles for
you? Evil is as evil does. Still obsessed with Russophobia? Distractions aplenty for the
stupefied.
These efforts to criminalize criticism of Israel seem to be the necessary precursors to
major military moves in the Middle East to create 'the greater Israel.'
Probably in coordination with the ongoing efforts to neutralize and destroy all
independent players such as Iran and Russia.
There used to be a "supermarket" chain in Montreal called Steinberg, owned by Steinberg,
"Canadian" Jews. They sold the business to another supermarket label, Métro-Richelieu
or something, owned by a would-be-venture capitalist/economics professor, Michel Gauthier or
something. It was a laughing transaction even in the news. But during the due diligence for
the sale it surfaced that Steinberg had unusual deals with his suppliers, meat, dairy or
whatever. If you wanted to sell your products to Steinberg, Steinberg made you sign an
agreement to buy Israeli bonds. Talk about tied-selling under the Canada Competition Act!
Talk about Stephen Harper financing!
During the C21st the Conservative Party has become reliant on Jewish money. Even more than
her predecessor Cameron, May is a "value free zone", as the commentator Richard North
categorised her. She does whatever the donors want. Not that the Labour Party in power would
be any better. It is just as riddled with Israel-supporting "moderates".
In the near future, the Labour Party will break down into 2 or more groups. The "moderates"
and more radical groups who will be chasing the Muslim vote.
On top of that, a second Scottish Independence Referendum may not be too many years away. I
suspect it will be successful this time.
The dissolution of the British state seems likely over the coming years. The question is how
much damage May and her Conservatives In Name Only will do in the interim.
How ironic that a brave and principled man (Jeremy Corbyn) is being hounded out of office
and defamed from all sides while a dishonest neocon toady like such as John McCain is
lionized by both wings of Washington's duopoly (as well as our MSM) as a 'hero' and a
'maverick'.
Could this really be happening?
Oh it's happening alright.
McCain dutifully pimped for every US war against any Israeli foes since GHW Bush. McCain
expressed no regrets for the destruction of Iraq, the destruction of Libya, the dismemberment
of Palestine, or the destabilization of Syria. McCain never apologized for all the needless
death and suffering caused by spineless servants such as himself. He also openly advocated
for a US war on Iran, just as Israel wanted.
If the Zions didn't control our entire mass media this level of venality would not occur.
But they do and it does.
Indoctrination. Brainwashing. Repetition. Conformity. Taboo. Shame. Blacklisting.
Political corruption.
Do you deny making anti-Semitic remarks? What will your friends and family say?
The falsification of history is an ongoing and daily occurrence.
The manipulation of the masses: it works!
Who are you going to believe?–your own fallible judgement?–or the expert
analysis of our entire political class–including Harvard-educated scholars and
journalists?
C'mon. Get a clue. Think right. Stop talking that way.
It is Israel again up to its old tricks being the real entity that interferes in foreign
elections:
Corbyn is viewed by Israel as effectively the "figurehead of the delegitimisation
network".
"They hope that by taking action against him, they can decapitate what they see as the
most powerful figure in this network," he told Middle East Eye. "By making an example of
him, they can sow division, spread fear and suppress speech on Israel."
Certainly, Israel's fingerprints look to be present in the current claims of an
anti-Semitism crisis supposedly revolving around Corbyn.
Active interference by the Israeli government in British politics was highlighted last
year in a four-part undercover documentary produced by the Qatari channel Al Jazeera. It
secretly filmed the activities of an operative in Israel's embassy in London named Shai
Masot.
The Al Jazeera investigation provoked numerous complaints that it breached broadcasting
rules relating to anti-Semitism, bias, unfair editing and invasions of privacy. However,
Ofcom, the British broadcasting regulator, cleared the programme of all charges.
In fact, I think all of this has more to do with Brexit than with Israel. The Brexiteers
are in total panic. If they put the exit package to a referendum, they'll lose. If they call
an election on it, Corbyn will probably win and he opposes Brexit. Even a parliamentary vote
could be lost inasmuch as the Tories don't have a majority and the Brexiteers are a minority
within the party.
Thus, Corbyn has to be discredited at all costs. Whether accusations of
anti-Semitism will discredit him is quite another matter. In Europe generally, people are
indifferent to Israel. They don't care what happens to it one way or the other.
Nobody who is
likely to vote Labour cares a hoot about Israel and are not going to change their vote
because of the accusations. If anything, people will perceive the campaign against Corbyn as
Jewish bullying and rally to him.
I was surprised to learn that the population of Israel is only 8.8 million. So small!
Contrast that with Iran's 82 million .Egypt's 100 million Iraq's 40 million or Turkey's 82
million. How such a relatively tiny country makes so much noise and disruption for the rest
of the world is something to ponder. If you ever google one of those 'most hated countries in
the world' polls Israel or USA invariably top the list.
Gilad Atzmon, the self-described ex-Israeli and ex-Jew, writes reams about the Jewish
assault on Corbyn. In this
recent piece , he quotes from Douglas Reed's The Controversy of Zion :
The Conservative Party membership numbers are no longer published but they could be as low
as fifty thousand going on revenue from membership fees.
All this smearing has so far had no impact at all, in fact it is leading some to question
what is the agenda here. There is a nice article on the Israeli smear campaign in the Middle
East Eye.
Many believe that the easily observable dominance of the friends of Israel over some
aspects of government policy is a phenomenon unique to the United States, where committed
Jews and Christian Zionists are able to control both politicians and the media message
relating to what is going on in the Middle East.
Thank you for pointing this out.
Although I am no longer much of a Christian myself, I have always bristled every time I
hear some left-wing (usually Jewish) anti-Zionist blame American Christians for Washington's
mid-east policies, while describing the influence of the Jewish lobby as being 'exaggerated'.
The obvious counterargument is: if American Christians have so much power over the federal
government that they can virtually dictate mid-east policy, how come they can't ban abortion
or gay marriage? How come they can't–forgive the metaphor–resurrect prayer in
school?
Indeed, the mere fact that the US now has an entire branch of Christianity
devoted to Rapture-Zionism gives you a clue as to who rules whom in this country. Think about
it, people: we now have 'Christian' churches who are actually willing to put the interests
and well-being of another religion ahead of their own! And their otherwise patriotic
followers are being conned into putting the interests of another country ahead of their own.
Absolutely astounding! In modern America at least, not only have the Christians lost control
of their government; they've even lost control of Christianity!
Moreover, what about all those other western countries, such as Britain, France and
Germany, which really lack anything like American-style Rapture-Christians, yet are still
completely in thrall to Israel? L'affaire Corbyn is, if nothing else, proof that we are not
the only ones being jacked around by the Zionists.
Don't get me wrong: I really wish American Christians would wake the f*ck up and see that
they're being used, being made to look pathetic by the Zionists. But the allegation that
those Christians are actually running the show in the West is completely fatuous. In fact,
it's just a left-wing 'anti-Zionist' gate-keeper story. Don't believe it!
Failure to confront Israel's crimes against humanity combined with an inability to
resist its demands regarding how issues like anti-Semitism and hate speech are defined has
done terrible damage to free speech in Western Europe and, most notably, in the Anglophone
world.
We are all Palestinians now!
I really hope this serves as a wake-up call to all of the pro-Zionist alt-righters out
there. The Zionists can never truly be our friends. After all, once they are able to
ban anti-Zionist talk for being anti-Semitic, how much longer will be it before they are able
to just go ahead and ban all anti-Semitic speech? Then where will you be? You won't
even be allowed to criticize George Soros anymore!
Corbyn is indeed a man of the left who has consistently opposed racism, extreme
nationalism, colonialism and military interventionism.
Well, I'm not a hundred-percent sure about the "nationalism" part. While "extreme" may
well be in the eye of the beholder, it's also true that the IRA and most of the Palestinian
groups do self-describe as 'nationalist', and Corbyn has always been OK with them (as am I).
The only nationalism his seems to have a real problem with is English nationalism.
The traditionally liberal Guardian has in fact been in the forefront of Jewish criticism
of Corbyn, led by its senior editor Jonathan Freedland
They should just go ahead and relaunch The Guardian as The Shomer .
As Norman Finkelstein once observed, Jews "never forgive and never forget." Corbyn ought
to keep that in mind. All his bobbing and weaving will availeth nothing.
Why should there be panic by the Brexiteers ?
Britain's export to the remaining EU is far less than from the remaining EU to GB.
Especially France and Germany have huge exports to GB.
As a Brexiteer already long ago mentioned 'they need us more than we them'.
If Merkel and Macron would survive a hard Brexit, I wonder.
Under estimated is the why of Brexit, they want their country back, as one voter said 'they
even interfere with vacuum cleaners'.
I stopped reading the Guardian full stop 4-5 years ago, back when they launched their
"Russia is evildoer!!" shrill campaign of propaganda–also about the time the Ukraine
civil war got into gear. Never looked back, the Guardian is a steaming pile of
US/NATO/Atlantic Council bullshit. I'll never understand why so many fixate on it, such as
the Off-guardian.org bloggers who've devoted an entire blog for years on end to criticising
Guardian journos, 'comment is free', comment mods, etc. All fine and good, but why?
With so
many other better news sources is there a need? No, there isn't. Just move on. The Guardian
is not a relevant news outlet. I mean, why keep going there to read pro-Israeli/pro-US
government articles which make you angry? Doesn't make any sense.
we keep accepting these arguments like Giraldis' here and functioning intellectually at
this paused rate which is insufficient to the needs of the day and time.
it is immediate the reality in which we live, in all its demands on us and we must respond
at the same speed. the enemy moves at the rate of speed of life and succeeds in slowing us
down with these arguments in the media
Corbyn is bloody well wrong. he has gone out of his way to compromise with the Zionists
and every time they want more. we we knew that, that they would not compromise did we not .we
knew it. we know the game. they know they game. they have the power and they never
compromise..never! they know to give ground is to lose.
and it is in fact to lose..and the same for the people. that is why it is zero sum. the
economic/political game is no place to compromise.
in principle the people have all the power..and we do. where are the leaders who bring the
people into awareness of their total power, set up and lead them into that power in the
process of fixing society?
why must the leader of those who have all the power be at the feet of a minority who is
bleeding the life out of the society?
Corbyn behaves as if he has no power..as if he is not fixing to assume in behalf of the
people the greatest social power there is..the power of the people. so he is apologetic and
compromising of the peoples power, on and in dealing with the peoples issues
the people's power and social interest have been usurped and compromised by a minority
power and their pets in the peoples power structure..and in the media too. that is why we are
dealing with a prevaricator in Giraldi and not a radicalized person who brings us up to
speed..the speed required to fix society
the peoples power has been betrayed by treasonous citizens who have lied to the people and
usurped the peoples power. that is the truth, the immediate truth and requires an immediate
and direct response..no compromise will work. this article here by Giraldi is not an
immediate response but a kind of time-wasting prevarication. Corbyn and his politics are also
prevarication
MoscowBob ( you're never going back to London to live ), the above official Parliamentary
Research Briefing makes alarming reading if you are a Conservative supporter. As of April
2018, Conservative membership is put at 124,000, narrowly ahead of the SNP at 118,000.
Conservative membership collapsed from 1 million in 1990 ( see page 7 ) to less than 500,000
5 years later ( John Major ). Apart from a brief period, it has been declining steadily since
the year 2000, especially from 2009 ( David Cameron).
It is no longer a mass membership political party, it is Conservative In Name Only and at the
beck and call of any (((big donors ))).
This situation cannot continue much longer. Its hold on political power will be ended shortly
unless there is a turnaround, which seems unlikely.
Jonathan Cook has also recently written a very good article on the current Israeli
engineered onslaught against Jeremy Corbyn, making much the same argument as Dr. Giraldi.
I stopped reading the Guardian full stop 4-5 years ago, back when they launched their
"Russia is evildoer!!" shrill campaign of propaganda -- also about the time the Ukraine civil
war got into gear. Never looked back, the Guardian is a steaming pile of US/NATO/Atlantic
Council bullshit.
I'll never understand why so many fixate on it, such as the Off-guardian.org bloggers
who've devoted an entire blog for years on end to criticising Guardian journos, 'comment is
free', comment mods, etc. All fine and good, but why?
With so many other better news sources is there a need? No, there isn't. Just move on. The
Guardian is not a relevant news outlet. I mean, why keep going there to read
pro-Israeli/pro-US government articles which make you angry? Doesn't make any sense.
"... After 40 years as a journalist for a variety of media outlets, none of them fake, ..."
"... Judith Coburn became a private eye, specializing in death-penalty cases and searches for people whom filmmakers and writers want to find for their movies and books. ..."
Now that we know we are surveilled 24/7 by the National Security Agency , the FBI, local police,
Facebook ,
LinkedIn , Google, hackers, the Russians, the Chinese, the North Koreans, data brokers,
private spyware groups like
Black Cube , and companies from which we've ordered swag on the Internet, is there still
any "right to be forgotten," as the Europeans call it? Is there any privacy left, let alone a
right to
privacy ?
In a world in which most people reveal their intimate secrets voluntarily, posting them on
social media and ignoring the pleas of security experts to protect their data with strong
passwords -- don't use your birth date, your telephone number, or your dog's name -- shouldn't
a private investigator, or PI, like me be as happy as a pig in shit? Certainly, the
totalitarian rulers of the twentieth century would have been, if such feckless openness had
been theirs to abuse.
As it happens, tech -- or surveillance capitalism -- has disrupted the private investigation
business as much as it's ripped through journalism, the taxi business
, war making, and so many other private and public parts of our world. And it's not only
celebrities and presidential candidates whose privacy hackers have burned through.
Israeli spyware can steal the contacts off your phone just as LinkedIn did to market itself
to your friends. Google, the Associated Press
reported recently , archives your location even when
you've turned off your phone. Huge online database brokers like Tracers , TLO , and IRBsearch that law enforcement and private eyes like me use can
trace your address, phone numbers, email addresses, social media accounts, family members,
neighbors, credit reports, the property you own, foreclosures or bankruptcies you've
experienced, court judgments or liens against you, and criminal records you may have rolled up
over the years.
Ten years ago, to subscribe to one of these databases, I had to show proof that I was indeed
a licensed investigator and pass an on-site investigation to ensure that any data I downloaded
would be protected. I was required to have a surveillance camera and burglar alarm on the
building where my office was located, as well as a dead bolt on my office door, a locked filing
cabinet, and double passwords to get into my computer. Now, most database brokers just require
a PI or attorney license and you can sign right up online. Government records -- federal and
state, civil and criminal -- are also increasingly online for anyone to access.
The authoritarian snoops of the last century would have drooled over the surveillance uses
of the smartphones that most of us now carry. Smartphones have, in fact, become one of the
primo law enforcement tools other than the Internet. "Find my iPhone" can even find a dead body
-- if, that is, the victim left her iPhone on while being murdered. And don't get me started on
the proliferation of surveillance cameras in our world.
Take me. I had a classic case that shows just how traceable we all now are. There was a dead
body, a possible murder victim, but no direct evidence: no witnesses, no DNA, no fingerprints,
and no murder weapon found. In San Francisco's East Bay, however, as in most big American
cities, there are so many surveillance cameras mounted on mom-and-pop stores, people's houses,
bars, cafes, hospitals, toll bridges, tunnels, even in parks, that the police can collect
enough video, block by block, to effectively map a suspect driving around Oakland for hours
before hitting the freeway and heading out to dump a body, just as the defendant in my case
did.
Once upon a time, cops and dirty private eyes would have had to attach trackers to the
undercarriages of cars to follow them electronically. No longer. The particular suspect I have
in mind drove his victim's car across a bridge, where cameras videotaped the license plate but
couldn't see inside the car; nor, he must have assumed, could anyone record him on the deserted
road he finally reached where he was undoubtedly confident that he was safe. What he didn't
notice was the CALFIRE video camera placed on that very road to monitor for brush fires. It
caught a car's headlights matching his on its way to the site he had chosen to dump the body.
There was no direct evidence of the murder he had committed, just circumstantial, tech-based
evidence. A jury, however, convicted him in just a few hours.
A World of Tech Junkies
In our world of the unforgotten, tech is seen as a wonder of wonders. Juries love tech. Many
jurors think tech is simply science and so beyond disbelief. As a result, they tend to react
badly when experts are called as defense witnesses to disabuse them of their belief in tech's
magic powers: that, for instance, cellphone calls don't always pinpoint exactly where someone
was when he or she made a call. If too many signals are coming in to the closest tower to a
cell phone, a suspect's calls may be rerouted to a more distant tower. Similarly, the FBI's
computerized fingerprint index often makes mistakes in its matches, as do police labs when it
comes to DNA samples. And facial recognition systems, the hottest new tech thing around (and
spreading
like wildfire across
China ), may be the most
unreliable of all, although that certainly hasn't stopped Amazon from marketing a
surveillance camera with facial recognition abilities.
These days, it's hard to be a PI and not become a tech junkie. Some PIs use tech to probe
tech, specializing, for example, in email investigations in big corporate cases in which they
pore through thousands of emails. I recently asked a colleague what it was like. "It's great,"
he said. "You don't have to leave your office and for the first couple of weeks you entertain
yourself finding out who's having affairs with whom and who's gunning for whom in the target's
office, but after that it's unspeakably tedious and goes on for months, even years."
When I started out, undoubtedly having read too many Raymond Chandler and Sue Grafton
novels, I thought that to be a real private eye I had to do the old-fashioned kind of
surveillance where you actually follow someone in person. So I agreed to tail a deadbeat mom
who claimed to be unemployed and wanted more alimony from her ex. She turned out to be a
scofflaw driver, too, a regular runner of red lights. (Being behind her, I was the one who got
the tickets, which I tried to bill on my expense report to no avail.) But tailing her turned
out to make no difference, except to my bank account. Nor did tech. Court papers had already
given us her phone and address but no job information. Finally, I found her moonlighting at a
local government office. How? The no-tech way: simply by phoning an office where one of her
relatives worked and asking for her. "Not in today," said the receptionist helpfully and I knew
what I needed to know. It couldn't have been less dramatic or noir -ish.
These days, tech is so omnipresent and omnivorous that many lawyers think everything can be
found on the Internet. Two lawyers working on a death-penalty appeal once came to see me about
working on their case. There had been a murder at a gas station in Oakland 10 years earlier.
Police reports from the time indicated that there was a notorious "trap house" where crack
addicts were squatting across from the gas station. The lawyers wanted me to find and interview
some of those addicts to discover whether they'd seen anything that night. It would be a quick
job, they assured me. (Translation: they would pay me chump change.) I could just find them on
the Internet.
I thought they were kidding. Crack addicts aren't exactly known for their Internet presence.
(They may have cell phones, but they tend not to generate phone bills, rental leases, utility
bills, school records, mortgages, or any of the other kinds of databases collect that you might
normally rely on to find your quarry.) This was, I argued, an old-fashioned shoe-leather-style
investigation: go to the gas station and the trap house (if it still existed), knock on doors
to see if neighbors knew where the former drug addicts might now be: Dead? Still on that very
street? Recovered and long gone?
In a world where high-tech is king, I didn't get the job and I doubt they found their
witnesses either.
You'd think that, in a time when tech is the story of the day, month, and year and a
presidential assistant is even
taping without permission in the White House Situation Room, anything goes. But not for
this aging PI. I mean, really, should I rush over to a belly-dancing class in Berkeley to see
if some guy's fiancée and the teacher go back to her motel together? (No.) Should I
break into an ex-lover's house to steal memos she'd written to get him fired? (Are you
kidding?) Should I eavesdrop on a phone call in which a wife is trying to get her husband to
admit that he battered her? (Not in California, where the law requires permission from every
party in a phone call to be on the line, thereby wiping out such eavesdropping as an
investigative tool -- only cops with a warrant being exempt.)
I certainly know PIs who would take such cases and I'm not exactly squeaky clean myself.
After all, as a journalist working for Ramparts magazine back in the 1960s, I broke
into the basement of the National Student
Association (with another reporter) to steal files showing that the group's leaders were
working for the CIA and that the agency actually owned the very building they occupied. In a
similar fashion, on a marginally legal peep-and-trespass in those same years, another reporter
and I crawled through bushes on the grounds of a VA Hospital in Maryland where we had been told
that we could find a replica of a Vietnamese village being used to train American assassins in
the CIA's Phoenix
program . That so-called pacification program would, in the end, kill more than 26,000
Vietnamese civilians. We found the "village," secretly watched some of the training, and filed
the first piece about that infamously murderous program for New York's Village Voice
.
Those ops were, however, in the service of a higher ideal, much like smartphone
videographers today who shoot police violence. But most of surveillance capitalism is really
about making sure that no one in our new world can ever be forgotten. PIs chasing perps in
divorce cases are a small but tawdry part of just that. But what about, to take an extreme case
in which the sleazy meets the new tech world big time, the FBI's pursuit of lovers of kiddy
porn, which I learned something about by taking such a case? The FBI emails a link to a fake
website that it's created to all the contacts a known child pornographer has on his computer or
phone. It has the kind of bland come-on pornographers tend to use. If you click on that link,
you get a menu advertising yet more links to photos with titles like "my 4-year-old daughter
taking a bath." Click on any of those links and you'll be anything but forgotten. The
FBI will be at your door with cuffs within days.
Does someone who devours child porn have a right to be forgotten? Maybe you don't think so,
but what about the rest of us? Do we? It's hardly a question anymore.
The Good and Ugly Gotchas of This Era
When all the surveillance techniques on those information databases work, it's like three
lemons lining up on a one-armed bandit. Recently, for instance, a California filmmaker called
me, desperate. She was producing a movie about the first Nepalese woman to climb Mount Everest.
Her team had indeed reached the summit, but were buried in an avalanche on the way down with
only one survivor. The filmmaker wanted to find that man.
Could I do so? She didn't have enough money to send me to Nepal. (Rats!) But couldn't I find
him on the Internet? His name, she told me, was Pemba Sherpa. What's his family name, I asked?
That's when I found out that "sherpa" isn't just a Western term for Nepalese who guide people
up mountains; it's the surname of many Nepalese. Great! That's like asking me to find John
Smith with no birthdate, social security number, address, or even the Nepalese equivalent of
the state where he lives. In my mind's eye, I could instantly see my database search coming up
with the always frustrating "your search criteria resulted in too many records found." I also
had my doubts that, despite the globalization of our tech world, most Nepalese were on the
Internet.
Amazingly, however, checking out "sherpas," I promptly found a single Pemba in my search,
unfortunately with -- the bane of a PI's life -- not another piece of information.
Okay, Google, I thought, it's all yours. No Pemba on the first five pages of my search
there. (Groan.) But it was late at night and I was feeling obsessive, so I kept going. (Note to
home investigators: don't give up on Google after those first few pages.) From earlier
research, I had discovered that one of the main Nepalese communities outside that country was
in Portland, Oregon, where many mountaineering companies are also based. On maybe my 28th
Google page, I suddenly saw a link to a Portland alternative newspaper story from the
mid-1990s. (Who was even scanning in such articles back then?)
I clicked on it. The piece was about a Portland Pemba Sherpa who had gone back to his native
village to help its inhabitants get electricity. The article went on to say that he had left
Nepal "because too many of his friends had died on the mountain." Hmmm. It also reported that
he was married to a mathematics teacher at a Portland community college.
We're talking about a more-than-20-year-old article! Still, the next morning I doggedly
called the college and yes, his wife was teaching math there. I was patched through to the math
department where, yes again, the wife picked up and, yes, her husband was the sole
survivor of that climb, and she was sure he'd want to be interviewed for the movie.
Bingo! The actual wonders of the Internet and a heartwarming story about someone who needed
to be found. Finding an ancient nanny to invite to the wedding of a guy she had raised -- after
they had been out of contact for decades -- proved a similarly happy search. But that's rare.
The question, not just for PIs but for all of us, is this: Should everyone be so track
down-able, even if they don't wish to be? Some investigators, in the spirit of the moment,
think that if there's an unknowable about anyone, it should be uncovered. The journalist who
outed
novelist Elsa Ferrante really thought he'd done something, but it was just another in an
increasing number of mean-spirited gotchas of our era.
Why do people need privacy anyway? The freedom and community that Internet utopians promised
us has led instead to the scraping open of our lives by law enforcement, social media, hackers,
marketers, and the world's governments. Now we're left largely to our own devices when it comes
to what little we can do about it and the global surveillance culture that it's enmeshed all of
us in.
Back in the late 1960s, Erwin Knoll, editor of the Progressive magazine, made
President Richard Nixon's enemy list. That qualified him to be wiretapped by the FBI, so he
asked his wife Doris to call female friends every day and discourse on grisly gynecological
matters to disturb the listening agents (mostly male in those days). Erwin wondered if they
wouldn't think it was some kind of code.
After 40 years as a journalist for a variety of media outlets, none of them fake,
TomDispatch regularJudith Coburn became a private eye, specializing in
death-penalty cases and searches for people whom filmmakers and writers want to find for their
movies and books.
"... President Trump is making a terminable mistake in trusting to facts and truth, neither of which is respected in the scant remains of Western Civilization. ..."
"... all of which are employed for the purpose of contradicting truth. ..."
"... Americans are too insouciant to know it, but they are living day by day only at the mercy of Russia. ..."
Mueller is part of the plot against Trump as is Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who
appointed Mueller special prosecutor. Both are guilty of sedition as they are active
participants in an organized coup to overthrow the President of the United States. But Trump is
too powerless to have them arrested and put on trial for the conspiracy against democracy that
they are conducting. President Trump is making a terminable mistake in trusting to facts
and truth, neither of which is respected in the scant remains of Western Civilization.
Once there was hope that information available on the Internet would serve as a
countervailing power to the lies told by the Western print, TV, and NPR presstitutes. But this
was a vain hope. There are some good and reliable websites, increasingly being closed down by
the ruling elite. The ruling elites have most of the money and can finance most of the online
voices, all of which are employed for the purpose of contradicting truth.
I received today an email from RootsAction urging me to donate money to speed Trump's
impeachment. The website has even prepared the Articles of Impeachment and proclaims that
"Trump's Fixer Says the President Engaged in a Criminal Conspiracy to Sway the 2016
Election."
This accusation comes from one of Trump's former lawyers, Michael Cohen. They are
allegations that most defense attorneys understand is Michael Cohen's effort to gain a light
sentence for his income tax evasion by "composing," to use the term of Harvard Law Professor
Alan Dershowitz, evidence against the man Mueller really wants -- President Trump.
I will be unequivocal. RootsAction, as is the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, NPR and
the rest of the media whores, is lying. To pay off two women, who might have been paid by the
military/security complex, or Hillary & Bill Clinton, or the Democratic National Committee,
to bring such charges or who simply saw an opportunity to collect a bunch of dollars from
Donald Trump, is most certainly, most definitely not, as RootsAction claims, "the high crime
and misdemeanor of attempting to fraudulently influence the outcome of a US presidential
election. This is an impeahable offense warranting removal from office."
Whoever advises RootsAction is a totally incompetent attorney. Moreover, to show the utter
stupidity of RootsAction's ignorant assertion, a "misdemeanor" cannot be a "high crime." A
"high crime" is a "felony."
I have posted on my website statements from legal experts that there is nothing unlawful
about paying off claimants. Corporations do it continually. It is much cheaper to pay off a
false claim than to finance a court case to refute it. There is no reason whatsoever for a
political candidate competing for a party's nomination for the presidency to be distracted by
fighting court cases brought to extort money from him.
Moreover, considering the dire straints in which the American population between the two
coasts has been left by decades of jobs offshoring, the government's inability to provide
assistance to those millions of Americans whose living standard is dissolving because the
military/security complex appropriates $1,000 billion annually from America's resources, and
the Trump public's awareness that provoking Russia into war is in no one's interest,
RootsAction and the rest of the imbeciles have to be crazy beyond all belief to think that that
anyone who voted for Trump cared if he had sexual encounters with two women. Considering the
dire straits of Americans, the last thing they would do is to vote against their champion
because he had sex with two women, assuming that he did.
Yet, an unsubstantiated claim by a lawyer who did not pay his income tax, a claim made for
the purpose of a light sentence in exchange for providing false evidence against the President
of the United States, is now, according to RootsAction, the New York Times, Washington Post,
NPR, CNN, MSNBC, etc., and so on, grounds for impeaching the President of the United States who
hopes to defuse the extremely dangerous tensions between Washington and Russia.
The military/security complex wants to impeach Trump because he wants peace with Russia,
thus taking away the essential enemy that justifies their budget and power.
Are Americans too stupid to notice that there is not a shred of evidence of the "Russiagate"
accusations? What we have in their place is income tax evasion charges, not against Trump, but
against an attorney and a Republian campaign manager. More convincing charges could be brought
against Democrats, but have not. The Hillary crowd of criminals has proven immune to
prosecution.
No one has to approve of Trump in order to have the intelligence to see that Trump's
intention to normalize relations with Russia is the world's main hope of continued existence.
Once nuclear weapons go off, global warming will take on new meaning.
... ... ...
Americans are too insouciant to know it, but they are living day by day only at the
mercy of Russia.
Critique of Israeli government interference in internal affair of other states in a form of
pro-Israel lobby, or critique Zionism as an ideology is not equivalent to anti-Semitism.
Neoliberal states like Israel do not represent interests of its citizens, but mostly
transnationals and top 1%. Attempt to link those mean weaponizing anti-Semitism. For example,
while Israel is an ally of the USA some if its action are definitely are against the USA citizens
interests. Although the role of Israel as a collective lobbyist for US MIC should be
acknowledged.
Conversion of Israel into ethnostate is probably a logical development, but the problem here
is that it further alienate Palestinians, which have higher birth rate then Israelites.
Notable quotes:
"... It was also learned that the Israeli Embassy was secretly subsidizing and advising private groups promoting Israeli interests, including associations of Members of Parliament (MPs). ..."
"... Corbyn's crime has been that he is critical of the Jewish state and has called for an "end to the repression of the Palestinian people." As a reward, he has been hounded mercilessly by British Jews, even those in his own party, for over two years. ..."
"... Last month, rightwing Labour Parliamentarian Margaret Hodge raised the stakes, calling Corbyn "a fucking anti-Semite and a racist". She then wrote in the Guardian ..."
"... All of the invective has been more-or-less orchestrated by the Israeli government, which directly supports the gaggle of groups that have coalesced to bring down Corbyn. This effort to destroy the Labour leader has included the use of an app disseminating messages via social media accusing Corbyn of anti-Semitism. The app was developed by Israel's strategic affairs ministry , which "directs Israel's covert efforts to sabotage the Palestine solidarity movement around the world". ..."
"... The principal argument being made against Corbyn is that the Labour Party is awash with anti-Semitism and Corbyn has done little or nothing to oppose it. Some of the most brutal shots against Corbyn have come from the usual crowd in the United States. ..."
Many believe that the easily observable dominance of the friends of Israel over some aspects
of government policy is a phenomenon unique to the United States, where committed Jews and
Christian Zionists are able to control both politicians and the media message relating to what
is going on in the Middle East. Unfortunately, the reality is that there exists an "Israel
Lobby" in many countries, all dedicated to advancing the agendas promoted by successive Israeli
governments no matter what the actual interests of the host country might be. Failure to
confront Israel's crimes against humanity combined with an inability to resist its demands
regarding how issues like anti-Semitism and hate speech are defined has done terrible damage to
free speech in Western Europe and, most notably, in the Anglophone world.
For the United States this corruption of the media and the political process by Israel has
meant
endless wars in the Middle East as well of loss of civil liberties at home, but some other
countries have compromised their own declared values far beyond that. Former Canadian Prime
Minister Stephen Harper praised Israel completely inaccurately as a
light that " burns bright, upheld by the universal principles of all civilized nations --
freedom, democracy justice." He has also said "I will defend Israel whatever the
cost" to Canada, an assertion that some might regard as very, very odd for a Canadian head of
state.
In some other cases, Israel plays hardball directly, threatening retribution against
governments that do not fall in line. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
recently warned New Zealand that backing a U.N. resolution condemning Israeli settlements
would be a "declaration of war." He was able to do so because he had confidence in the power of
the Israel Lobby in that country to mobilize and produce the desired result.
It might surprise some that the "Mother of Parliaments" in Great Britain is perhaps the
legislative body most dominated by Israeli interests, more in many respects than the Congress
in the United States. The ruling Conservative Party has a Friends of Israel caucus that
includes more than 80% of its Parliamentary membership. BICOM , the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre,
is an American Israel Political Action Committee
(AIPAC) clone located in London. It is well funded and politically powerful, working
through its various "Friends of Israel" proxies. Americans might be surprised to learn how that
power is manifest, including that in Britain Jewish organizations uniquely are
allowed to patrol heavily Jewish London neighborhoods in police-like uniforms while driving
police-type vehicles. There have been reports of the patrols threatening Muslims who seek to
enter the areas.
Prime Minister Theresa May is careful never to offend either Israel or the wealthy and
powerful British Jewish community. After Secretary of State John Kerry described Israel's
government as "extreme right wing" on December 28, 2016, May sprang to Tel Aviv's defense,
saying "we do not believe that it is appropriate to attack the composition of the
democratically elected government of an ally." May's rejoinder could have been written by
Netanyahu, and maybe it was. Two weeks later, her government cited
"reservations" over a French government sponsored mid-January Middle East peace conference
and would not sign a joint statement calling for a negotiated two-state solution to the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict after Netanyahu vociferously condemned the proceedings.
This deference all takes place in spite of a recent astonishing expose by al-Jazeera, which
revealed how the Israeli Embassy in London connived with government officials to "take down"
parliamentarians and government ministers who were considered to be critical of the Jewish
State. It was also learned that the Israeli Embassy was secretly subsidizing and advising
private groups promoting Israeli interests, including associations of Members of Parliament
(MPs).
British Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn has been under unrelenting fire due to the fact that he
is the first major political party leader in many years to resist the demands that he place
Israel on a pedestal. Corbyn is indeed a man of the left who has consistently opposed racism,
extreme nationalism, colonialism and military interventionism. Corbyn's crime has been that
he is critical of the Jewish state and has called for an "end to the repression of the
Palestinian people." As a reward, he has been hounded mercilessly by British Jews, even those
in his own party, for over two years.
The invective being spewed by some British Jews and Israel has increased of late, presumably
because Theresa May's Conservative government is perceived as being weak and there is a
distinct possibility that the leader of the Labour Party will be the next Prime Minister. That
a Prime Minister might be sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians is viewed as completely
unacceptable.
Last month, rightwing Labour Parliamentarian Margaret Hodge raised the stakes, calling
Corbyn "a fucking anti-Semite and a racist". She then wrote in the Guardian that
Labour is "a hostile environment for Jews." The traditionally liberal Guardian has in
fact been in the forefront of Jewish criticism of Corbyn, led by its senior editor Jonathan
Freedland, who reportedly believes
that "his Jewish identity is intimately tied to Israel, and that to attack Israel is to attack
him personally he is demanding the exclusive right to police the parameters of discussions
about Israel." Last month he featured in his paper a
letter attacking Corbyn signed by 68 rabbis.
All of the invective has been more-or-less orchestrated by the Israeli government, which
directly supports the gaggle of groups that have coalesced to bring down Corbyn. This effort to
destroy the Labour leader has included the use of an app disseminating messages via social
media accusing Corbyn of anti-Semitism. The app was developed by Israel's strategic affairs
ministry , which "directs Israel's covert efforts to sabotage the Palestine solidarity
movement around the world".
There are two principal objectives to the "get Corbyn" campaign. The first is to remove him
from the Labour Party leadership position, thereby ensuring that he will never be elected Prime
Minister, while also eliminating from the party any and all members who are perceived as being
"too critical" of Israel. In practice that has meant anyone who criticizes Israel at all. And
second it is to establish as a legal principle that the "hate crime" offense of anti-Semitism
specifically be defined to include criticism of Israel, thereby making it a criminal offense to
write or speak about Israel's racist behavior towards its Muslim and Christian minority while
also making it impossible to freely discuss its war crimes.
The principal argument being made against Corbyn is that the Labour Party is awash with
anti-Semitism and Corbyn has done little or nothing to oppose it. Some of the most brutal shots
against Corbyn have come from the usual crowd in the United States. Andrew Sullivan
recently
observed in New York Magazine that "When it emerged, that Naz Shah, a new Labour
MP, had opined on Facebook before she was elected that Israel should be relocated to the U.S.,
and former London mayor Ken Livingstone backed her up by arguing that the Nazis initially
favored Zionism, Corbyn didn't make a big fuss." Sullivan then went on to write that "It then
emerged that Corbyn himself had subscribed to various pro-Palestinian Facebook groups where
rank anti-Semitism flourished" and had even " attended a meeting on Holocaust Memorial Day in
2010, called 'Never Again for Anyone: Auschwitz to Gaza,' equating Israelis with Nazis."
In other words, Corbyn should have been responsible for policing the personal views of
Shah and Livingstone ,
both of whom were subsequently suspended from the Labour Party with Livingstone eventually
resigning. He should have also avoided Palestinian Facebook commentary because alleged
anti-Semites occasionally contribute their views and ought not to acknowledge in any fashion
the Israel war crimes being committed on a daily basis in Gaza.
So Corbyn must go based on the "fact" that he has to be a closet anti-Semite as discerned by
the likes of Andrew Sullivan on this side of the Atlantic and a host of Israel-firsters in
Britain. But the Labour leader's worst crime that is being regarded as an "
existential threat " to Jewish people everywhere is his resistance to the pressure being
exerted on him to endorse and adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's (IHRA)
precise multi-faceted definition of what constitutes anti-Semitism. The IHRA basic definition
of anti-Semitism is reasonable enough, including "a certain perception of Jews, which may be
expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are
directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community
institutions and religious facilities."
The Labour Party and Corbyn have accepted that definition but have balked at eleven
"contemporary examples of anti-Semitism" also provided by IHRA, four of which have nothing to
do with Jews and everything to do with Israel. They are:
Accusing Jewish citizens of being
more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of
their own nations. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g.
One might observe that many Jews
And yes, Israel is a "racist endeavor." Just check out the recent nationality
law passed by the Knesset declaring Israel to be a Jewish State. It grants
self-determination only to those living within its borders who are Jews. And if using racial
distinctions for full citizenship while also bombing hospitals and schools while lining up
snipers to shoot thousands of unarmed Palestinian demonstrators is not Nazi-like behavior, then
what is? Israel and its leader are sometimes compared to Nazis and to Adolf Hitler because they
behave like Nazis and Adolf Hitler.
And finally there is the definition that challenges any "double standard" in demanding
behavior from Israel that is not expected from any other democratic nation. Well, first of all
Israel is not a democracy. It is a theocracy or ethnocracy if you prefer wrapped around a
police state. Other countries that call themselves democracies have equal rights under law for
all citizens. Other democracies do not have hundreds of thousands of settlers stealing land and
even water resources from the indigenous population and colonizing it to the benefit of only
one segment of its population. Other democracies do not regularly shoot dead unarmed
protesters. How many democracies are currently practicing ethnic cleansing, as the Israeli Jews
are doing to the Palestinians?
Will Corbyn give in to the IHRA demands to save his skin as party leader? One has to suspect
that he will as he is already regularly conceding points and apologizing, publicly delivering
the required obeisance to the holocaust as "the worst crime of the twentieth century." And
every time he tries to appease those out to get him he emerges weaker. Even if he submits
completely, the Israel firsters who are hot to get him, having just like in American
significant control over the media, will continue to attack until they find the precise issue
that will bring him down. The Labour National Executive Council will meet in September to vote
on full acceptance of the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. When they, as is likely, kneel
before force majeure that will be the end of free speech in Britain. Criticize Israel and you
go to jail.
And the same thing is happening in the United States in precisely the same fashion.
Criticism of Israel or protesting against it will sooner rather than later be criminalized. I
sometimes wonder if Senator Ben Cardin and the others who are promoting the hate legislation
really understand what will be lost when they sacrifice the U.S. Constitution to defend Israel.
Once free speech is gone, it will never return.
"... Democrats are proceeding down a dark path: identity politics brings only conflict, civil war. ..."
"... Anybody who trusts the Democrats to save us from the evil machinations of the Neocons is as hopelessly stupid as anyone who trusts the Neocons to save us from the evil machinations of the Democrats. ..."
"... These new Democrats will never vote for less spending. There previous career was based on having abundant and in some cases unlimited Federal funds at their fingertips. ..."
Ron Unz has linked to WSWS.org several times in the past as WSWS was targeted by the Deep
State/Google etc. cabal to make it disappear into the "memory hole."
The only activism I've seen from progressives in the past two years has nothing to do
with economic concerns; their energy is entirely focused on race, gender, and sexuality.
The cultural-Marxist troika.
Just one of many good point you make. The only thing I'd add is in relation to:
Democrats are proceeding down a dark path: identity politics brings only conflict, civil
war.
As Reg mentions: conflict among the masses is very much the plan. Divide et
impera.
And my stupid [neo]liberal friends still think the democrats are going to save them, and then
on to super – duper – special stupid, they think their vote for a democrat is
going to have an impact. On to ludicrous stupid – it's all the republicans fault.
Identity politics at its finest.
Unfixable, and circling the drain.
The Alarmist, June 8, 2018 at 11:03 am GMT • 100 Words
"Center-right" and "business oriented?"
Try Oligarch-centric.
There is a story, perhaps apocryphal, from the fall of
Constantinople: Sultan Mehmed II rounded up the surviving oligarchs of
the Empire and asked them why they had withheld their riches and
resources from supporting the Empire's final defense against his
conquest, to which the oligarchs replied that they were saving their
riches for his most excellent majesty. He had them brutally executed.
Jake, June 8, 2018 at 11:13 am GMT
Anybody who trusts the Democrats to save us from the evil
machinations of the Neocons is as hopelessly stupid as anyone who trusts
the Neocons to save us from the evil machinations of the Democrats.
At the upper levels there is no difference between the Demonrats and the
Republicons as all are controlled by the Zionists and congress would by
more accurately called the lower house of the Knesset..
prusmc, June 8, 2018 at 1:18 pm GMT • 100 Words
@anon
These new Democrats will never vote for less spending. There
previous career was based on having abundant and in some cases unlimited
Federal funds at their fingertips.
It is a mistake to think they will be any different than Maxine
Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Jerold Nadler or Luis Guitirez. Senator Joe
Manchin of West Virginia is about a unconventional as we can expect the
new congressional majority members to be.
jacques sheete, June 8, 2018 at 1:44 pm GMT
@Anon
The ultra rich use the poor to attack the middle so they can
distract everyone else from uniting
That, in fact, is the practical aim of government in general.
Parties, schmarties it's all one huge extortion racket.
I believe you may be confusing ruthless ambition with psychopathy. They have similar
features, but are not the same. This argument is not on completely solid ground as there is
no complete agreement on what psychopathy is, but the consensus is that there is something
wrong with a psychopath's brain.
The ruthless can be mentally intact, they see the same world we do, they just don't care
enough about others to restrain their own ambition. This is often learned, they've been
hardened by the world, but can sometimes be just a result of excessive ambition or peer
pressure. They can be quite pro-social among their peers. They manipulate or punish for gain,
not for the kick of manipulating or punishing others.
Psychopaths don't often make it to the top (board level) of organizations, they're too
anti-social to get along with other board members. They manipulate and punish for the kick
they get out of it. Psychopaths are abundant among the self-made and at lower levels of
organizations where they are used and discarded.
Sorry Mike, what do you mean by saying the goal is to "create a center-right" Democratic
Party? The Clinton's accomplished this in the 1990s -- what we have here is a full scale
enfoldment of the Dems into the National Security State
Not that it matters much -- both Republicans and Democrats have been on the same page for
a few decades now (since the 1940s IMHO). Inter-party politics don't matter much, except
insofar as the voting public can be conned into supporting one or the other, because no
matter which party holds the Congress or Presidency the same Deep State agenda is their top
priority.
Why? It's simple really -- money. Big campaign donors expect "value" in return for their
"political contributions". And if value isn't had for their money, the Deep State's
intelligence community can usually dig up something "useful" in the offender's background to
"persuade" him or her to support the current bipartisan agenda
If it's really true that to find out who has power, just take note of whom is above
criticism, perhaps we ought to consider that Rockefeller and JPMorgan money founded the CFR
in 1921 and it took root and bloomed in government "service" during and after WWII.
If you doubt the CFR's power as the Deep State personified, I suggest reading historian
Quigley's Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time and sociologist Tom
Dye's Who Is Running America series.
Paraphrasing Quigley, writing when Bill Clinton was his student at Georgetown, the two
parties should be as alike as two sides of a coin so that voters can "throw the rascals out"
in any election without significantly changing governmental priorities and policies because
the policies the US is and ought be pursuing are not subject to significant dispute (or
at the least not by the voting public).
Which begs the question -- who is (and has been since the 1940s) setting US policy? If we,
the voters, cannot alter or change our national policies, then democratic oversight of the
Republic is nothing but a sham. The US is, in this view, just another Banana Republic which
Tom Dye ably documents from Watergate to Shrub's administration.
The two party "uniparty" is alive and well. In fact, while the party's supporters still
may include self- described "leftists" the party itself has gone further right than the
traditionally rightwing GOP. The dual party structure relies on the "Democrats" to gut
"entitlements", that is Social Security or Medicare.
It was the "Democrats" who put in Obamacare, which mandated people to spend an arm and a
leg on crappy medical insurance the cost of which was massively inflated which they could
only use when they had spent way more than average on medical bills. Meanwhile it was the
democrats' harpy candidate who proposed a no-fly zone in Syria on behalf of raghead
mercenaries hired by the yankee imperium.
While Trump has largely caved in to the deep state, in part perhaps because of the
pressure applied by the phony deep state witch hunt taking over the "justice" department of
the yankee regime, we know what the democrats, exponents of the fraudulent "Russia-gate"
stories, now espouse: a new cold war far more dangerous than the old one.
Meanwhile, the commercial media in the US and satellite countries, has degenerated into a
Goebbels-like propaganda apparat. Trump's clumsiness actually may have the accidental
salutary effect of enabling the satellite countries to slip the yankee leash, at least to
some extent.
The situation brought about by this unprecedented two faction version of fascism is
profoundly depressing, in addition to being seriously dangerous.
Why is this article entitled: "Dems Put Finishing Touches on One-Party 'Surveillance
Superstate'"
This website seems to have articles that show their authors are awake and yet, this article
shows quite the opposite. Who today, with the slightest modicum of common sense, who has made
the effort in understanding how the system works, still plays the left-right paradigm,
Hegelian Dialectic, political game nonsense?
I mean, let's get real here; the Democrats and the Republicans, like their UK counterparts of
Labour and Conservative are merely wings on the same bird, ultimately flying to a
destination. Both parties are taking the USA towards a one-party, surveillance, super state.
You do not enter American politics unless you bow to Zionism and International Jewry. Unless
you show 100% support to Israel then forget a career in politics.
Incidentally, to many who may have heard of her; the new luvey of the conservatives is
none other than black, Candace Owens, who is better known as Red Pill Black. She has been
this new voice who has entered into the 'alternative right', itself nothing more than
controlled opposition, speaking out against feminism, white privilege, rape culture,
transgender culture etc etc and has gained a large following. Other than being a complete
fraud, as information has appeared that she tried to launch a 'doxing' website, targeting
youngsters, she has appeared at the opening of the American Embassy in Jerusalem:
Why on earth, would some nobody, who has had an incredibly fast rise on YouTube (most
certainly her subscriber base and video view has been doctored) and more so a black
conservative, be invited to attend the opening of the American embassy in Jerusalem? Bottom
line? She's being groomed for a career in politics and I wouldn't be surprised if they wheel
her out, some time in the future, as a presidential hopeful to capture the black vote in the
USA.
Again, this is controlled opposition.
You never vote in a new party in politics. You vote out the old one. 326 million is the
population of the USA and there are only two political parties? Are you serious? It's bad
enough, here in the UK with three (liberal party along with Labour and Conservative), with a
66 million population but only two in the USA?
Both parties are heavily controlled.
The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) has been putting presidents into power now for over a
hundred years. The CFR is the sister organization of the Royal Institute for International
Affairs, which has been doing the same, here in the UK for the same time. All politicians are
groomed from an early age, taught how to avoid answering any question directly, how to lie
and of course who their masters are. By implementing their wishes, politicians are then
granted a seat on some board, within some multi conglomerate, a six figure salary, a fat
pension on top of their political one and of course umpteen houses spread across wherever.
Blair and Obama epitomize this.
Both political parties are left wing, hiding under the right wing and classic liberal
monikers.
That's more or less what George Carlin insinuated: "The middle class does all the work,
pays all the taxes while the wealthy class takes all the money and pays none of the taxes and
the poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class .keep asking for all those
jobs".
WSWS.org offers a great perspective on current events, and Whitney is right to quote from
them. He should use links to them for sure, as you point out. WSWS gives more content and
analysis in its reporting than most other 'liberal' outlets like Intercept or crappy
Trughdig, and FAR more than the beneath contempt corporate media such as Guardian which is
the very worst of the worst.
Hey everybody! Go and read WSWS.org it is an excellent news source-
The communist WSWS may have some good viewpoints on things like internet censorship and
its support for Assange, but it is an extreme advocate for open border
"... I am not here speaking about the elites who dominate our societies. They have their own agenda. They trade only in the language of money and power. I am speaking of us: the 99 per cent who live in their shadow. ..."
"... While this camp concedes that the media is owned by a handful of corporations driven by a concern for profit, it is nonetheless confident that the free market -- the need to sell papers and audiences -- guarantees that important news and a full spectrum of legitimate opinion are available to readers. ..."
"... This camp believes too that western democracies are better, more civilised political systems than those in other parts of the world. Western societies do not want wars, they want peace and security for everyone. For that reason, they have been thrust -- rather uncomfortably -- into the role of global policeman. Western states have found themselves with little choice of late but to wage "good wars" to curb the genocidal instincts and hunger for power of dictators and madmen. ..."
"... The current obsession with Russian conspiracies is in large part the result of the extraordinarily rapid rise of a second camp, no doubt fuelled by the unprecedented access western publics have gained through social media to information, good and bad alike. At no time in human history have so many people been able to step outside of a state-, clerical- or corporate-sanctioned framework of information dissemination and speak too each other directly and on a global stage. ..."
"... This new camp too is not easy to characterise in the old language of left-right politics. Its chief characteristic is that it distrusts not only those who dominate our societies, but the social structures they operate within. ..."
"... This camp regards such structures as neither immutable, divinely ordained ways for ordering and organising society, nor as the rational outcome of the political and moral evolution of western societies. Rather, it views these structures as the product of engineering by a tiny elite to hold on to its power. ..."
"... For this camp, politicians are not the cream of society. They have risen to the surface of a corrupted and corrupting system, and the overwhelming majority did so by enthusiastically adopting its rotten values. These politicians do not chiefly serve voters but the corporations who really dominate our societies. ..."
"... Likewise, the media -- supposed watchdogs on power -- are seen by this camp as the chief propagandists for the ruling elite. The media do not monitor the abuse of power, they actively create a social consensus for the continuation of the abuse -- and if that fails, they seek to deflect attention from, or veil, the abuse. ..."
"... This is inevitable, the second camp argues, given that the media are embedded within the very same corporate structures that dominate our societies. They are, in fact, the corporations' public relations arm. They allow only limited dissent at the margins of the media, and only as a way to create the impression of an illusory pluralism. ..."
"... These "enemies" are a real foe in the sense that, in their different ways, they refuse to submit to the neoliberalising reach of the western-based corporations. But more significantly, they are needed as an enemy, even should they want to make peace. These manufactured enemies, says the second camp, justify the redirection of public money into the private coffers of the military and homeland security industries. And equally importantly, a ready set of bogeymen can be exploited to distract western publics from troubles at home. ..."
"... The second camp is accused by the first of being anti-western, anti-American and anti-Israel (or more mischievously anti-semitic) for its opposition to western "humanitarian interventions" abroad. The second camp, it says, act as apologists for war criminals like Russia's Vladimir Putin or Syria's Bashar Assad, portraying these leaders as misunderstood good guys and blaming the west for the world's ills. ..."
"... Putin has power, but it is immeasurably less than the combined might of the profit-seeking, war-waging western military industries. Faced with this power equation, according to the second camp, Putin acts defensively or reactively on the global stage, using what limited strength Russia has to uphold its essential strategic interests. One cannot reasonably judge Russia's crimes without first admitting the west's greater crimes, our crimes. ..."
"... While the whole US political class obsess over "Russian interference" in US elections, this camp notes, the American public is encouraged to ignore the much greater US interference not only in Russian elections, but in many other spheres Russia considers to be vital strategic interests. That includes the locating of US military bases and missile sites on Russia's borders. ..."
"... The other camp has one small space to make its presence felt -- social media. That is a space rapidly shrinking, as the politicians, media and the corporations that own social media (as they do everything else) start to realise they have let the genie out of the bottle. This camp is derided as conspiratorial, dangerous, fake news. ..."
"... The two most significant disrupters of the first camp's narrative are climate breakdown and economic meltdown. The planet has finite resources, which means endless growth and wealth accumulation cannot be sustained indefinitely. Much as in a Ponzi scheme, there comes a point when the hollow centre is exposed and the system comes crashing down. We have had intimations enough that we are nearing that point. ..."
"... Our political language is rupturing because we are now completely divided. There is no middle ground, no social compact, no consensus. The second camp understands that the current system is broken and that we need radical change, while the first camp holds desperately to the hope that the system will continue to be workable with modifications and minor reforms. ..."
"... We are arriving at a moment called a paradigm shift. That is when the cracks in a system become so obvious they can no longer be credibly denied. Those vested in the old system scream and shout, they buy themselves a little time with increasingly repressive measures, but the house is moments away from falling. The critical questions are who gets hurt when the structure tumbles, and who decides how it will be rebuilt ..."
"... They have rightly identified social media as the key concern. This is where we -- the 99 per cent -- have begun waking each other up. This is where we are sharing and learning, emerging out of the darkness clumsily and shaken. We are making mistakes, but learning. We are heading up blind alleys, but learning. We are making poor choices, but learning. We are making unhelpful alliances, but learning ..."
"... Corbyn's significance -- and danger -- is that he brings much of the language and concerns of the second camp into the mainstream. He offers a fast-track for the second camp to reach the first camp, and accelerate the awakening process. That, in turn, would improve the chances of the paradigm shift being organic and transitional rather than disruptive and violent. ..."
"... That is why he has become a lightning rod for the wider machinations of the ruling elite. They want him destroyed, like blowing up a bridge to stop an advancing army. ..."
"... The corporate elite weaponised anti-semitism not because they care about the safety of Jews, or because they really believe that Corbyn is an anti-semite. They chose it because it is the most destructive weapon -- short of sex-crime smears and assassination -- they have in their armoury. ..."
"... The truth is the ruling elite are exploiting British Jews and fuelling their fears as part of a much larger power game in which all of us -- the 99 per cent -- are expendable. They will keep stoking this campaign to stigmatise Corbyn, even if a political backlash actually does lead to an increase in real, rather than phoney, anti-semitism. ..."
The latest "scandal" gripping Britain -- or to be more accurate, British elites -- is over the use of the term "Zionist" by the
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, the head of the opposition and possibly the country's next prime minister.
Yet again, Corbyn has found himself ensnared in what a small group of Jewish leadership organisations, which claim improbably
to represent Britain's "Jewish community", and a small group of corporate journalists, who improbably claim to represent British
public opinion, like to call Labour's "anti-semitism problem".
I won't get into the patently ridiculous notion that "Zionist" is a code word for "Jew", at least not now. There are lots of existing
articles explaining why that is nonsense.
I wish to deal with a different aspect of the long-running row over Labour's so-called "anti-semitism crisis". It exemplifies,
I believe, a much more profound and wider crisis in our societies: over the issue of trust.
We now have two large camps, pitted against each other, who have starkly different conceptions of what their societies are and
where they need to head. In a very real sense, these two camps no longer speak the same language. There has been a rupture, and they
can find no common ground.
I am not here speaking about the elites who dominate our societies. They have their own agenda. They trade only in the language
of money and power. I am speaking of us: the 99 per cent who live in their shadow.
First, let us outline the growing ideological and linguistic chasm opening up between these two camps: a mapping of the divisions
that, given space constraints, will necessarily deal in generalisations.
The trusting camp
The first camp invests its trust, with minor reservations, in those who run our societies. The left and the right segments of
this camp are divided primarily over the degree to which they believe that those at the bottom of society's pile need a helping hand
to get them further up the social ladder.
Otherwise, the first camp is united in its assumptions.
They admit that among our elected politicians there is the odd bad apple. And, of course, they understand that there are necessary
debates about political and social values. But they agree that politicians rise chiefly through ability and talent, that they are
accountable to their political constituencies, and that they are people who want what is best for society as a whole.
While this camp concedes that the media is owned by a handful of corporations driven by a concern for profit, it is nonetheless
confident that the free market -- the need to sell papers and audiences -- guarantees that important news and a full spectrum of
legitimate opinion are available to readers.
Both politicians and the media serve -- if not always entirely successfully -- as a constraint on corruption and the abuse of
power by other powerful actors, such as the business community.
This camp believes too that western democracies are better, more civilised political systems than those in other parts of
the world. Western societies do not want wars, they want peace and security for everyone. For that reason, they have been thrust
-- rather uncomfortably -- into the role of global policeman. Western states have found themselves with little choice of late but
to wage "good wars" to curb the genocidal instincts and hunger for power of dictators and madmen.
Russian conspiracies
Once upon a time -- when this camp's worldview was rarely, if ever, challenged -- its favoured response to anything difficult
to reconcile with its core beliefs, from the 2003 invasion of Iraq to the 2008 financial crash, was: "Cock-up, not conspiracy!".
Now that there are ever more issues threatening to undermine its most cherished verities, the camp's response is -- paradoxically
-- "Putin did it!" or "Fake news!".
The current obsession with Russian conspiracies is in large part the result of the extraordinarily rapid rise of a second
camp, no doubt fuelled by the unprecedented access western publics have gained through social media to information, good and bad
alike. At no time in human history have so many people been able to step outside of a state-, clerical- or corporate-sanctioned framework
of information dissemination and speak too each other directly and on a global stage.
This new camp too is not easy to characterise in the old language of left-right politics. Its chief characteristic is that
it distrusts not only those who dominate our societies, but the social structures they operate within.
This camp regards such structures as neither immutable, divinely ordained ways for ordering and organising society, nor as
the rational outcome of the political and moral evolution of western societies. Rather, it views these structures as the product
of engineering by a tiny elite to hold on to its power.
These structures are no longer primarily national, but global. They are not immutable but as fabricated, as man-made and replaceable,
as the structures that once made incontestable the rule of a landed aristocracy over feudal serfs. The current aristocracy, this
camp argues, are globalised corporations that are so unaccountable that even the biggest nation-states can no longer contain or constrain
them.
Illusions of pluralism
For this camp, politicians are not the cream of society. They have risen to the surface of a corrupted and corrupting system,
and the overwhelming majority did so by enthusiastically adopting its rotten values. These politicians do not chiefly serve voters
but the corporations who really dominate our societies.
For the second camp, this fact was well illustrated in 2008 when the political class did not -- and could not -- punish the banks
responsible for the near-collapse of western economies after decades of reckless speculation on which a financial elite had grown
fat. Those banks, in the words of the politicians themselves, were "too big to fail" and so were bailed out with money from the very
same publics who had been scammed by the banks in the first place. Rather than use the bank failures as an opportunity to drive through
reform of the broken banking system, or nationalise parts of it, the politicians let the banking casino system continue, even intensify.
Likewise, the media -- supposed watchdogs on power -- are seen by this camp as the chief propagandists for the ruling elite.
The media do not monitor the abuse of power, they actively create a social consensus for the continuation of the abuse -- and if
that fails, they seek to deflect attention from, or veil, the abuse.
This is inevitable, the second camp argues, given that the media are embedded within the very same corporate structures that
dominate our societies. They are, in fact, the corporations' public relations arm. They allow only limited dissent at the margins
of the media, and only as a way to create the impression of an illusory pluralism.
Manufactured enemies
These domestic structures are subservient to a still-bigger agenda: the accumulation of wealth by a global elite through the asset-stripping
of the planet's resources and the rationalisation of permanent war. That, this camp concludes, requires the manufacturing of "enemies"
-- such as Russia, Iran, Syria, Venezuela and North Korea -- to justify the expansion of a military-industrial machine.
These "enemies" are a real foe in the sense that, in their different ways, they refuse to submit to the neoliberalising reach
of the western-based corporations. But more significantly, they are needed as an enemy, even should they want to make peace. These
manufactured enemies, says the second camp, justify the redirection of public money into the private coffers of the military and
homeland security industries. And equally importantly, a ready set of bogeymen can be exploited to distract western publics from
troubles at home.
The second camp is accused by the first of being anti-western, anti-American and anti-Israel (or more mischievously anti-semitic)
for its opposition to western "humanitarian interventions" abroad. The second camp, it says, act as apologists for war criminals
like Russia's Vladimir Putin or Syria's Bashar Assad, portraying these leaders as misunderstood good guys and blaming the west for
the world's ills.
The second camp argues that it is none of these things: it is anti-imperialist. It does not excuse the crimes of Putin or Assad,
it treats them as secondary and largely reactive to the vastly greater power a western elite with global reach can project. It believes
the western media's obsession with crafting narratives about evil enemies -- bad men and madmen -- is designed to deflect attention
from the structures of far greater violence the west deploys around the world, through a web of US military bases and Nato.
Putin has power, but it is immeasurably less than the combined might of the profit-seeking, war-waging western military industries.
Faced with this power equation, according to the second camp, Putin acts defensively or reactively on the global stage, using what
limited strength Russia has to uphold its essential strategic interests. One cannot reasonably judge Russia's crimes without first
admitting the west's greater crimes, our crimes.
While the whole US political class obsess over "Russian interference" in US elections, this camp notes, the American public
is encouraged to ignore the much greater US interference not only in Russian elections, but in many other spheres Russia considers
to be vital strategic interests. That includes the locating of US military bases and missile sites on Russia's borders.
Different languages
Two camps, two entirely different languages and narratives.
These camps may be divided, but it would seriously misguided to imagine they are equal.
One has the full power and weight of those corporate structures behind it. The politicians speak its language, as do the media.
Its ideas and its voice dominate everywhere that is considered official, objective, balanced, neutral, respectable, legitimate.
The other camp has one small space to make its presence felt -- social media. That is a space rapidly shrinking, as the politicians,
media and the corporations that own social media (as they do everything else) start to realise they have let the genie out of the
bottle. This camp is derided as conspiratorial, dangerous, fake news.
This is the current battlefield. It is a battle the first camp looks like it is winning but actually has already lost. That is
not necessarily because the second camp is winning the argument. It is because physical realities are catching up with the first
camp, smashing its illusions, even as it clings to them like a life-raft.
The two most significant disrupters of the first camp's narrative are climate breakdown and economic meltdown. The planet
has finite resources, which means endless growth and wealth accumulation cannot be sustained indefinitely. Much as in a Ponzi scheme,
there comes a point when the hollow centre is exposed and the system comes crashing down. We have had intimations enough that we
are nearing that point.
It hardly needs repeating, except to climate deniers, that we have had even more indications that the Earth's climate is already
turning against humankind.
Out of the darkness
Our political language is rupturing because we are now completely divided. There is no middle ground, no social compact, no
consensus. The second camp understands that the current system is broken and that we need radical change, while the first camp holds
desperately to the hope that the system will continue to be workable with modifications and minor reforms.
It is on to this battlefield that Corbyn has stumbled, little prepared for the heavy historic burden he shoulders.
We are arriving at a moment called a paradigm shift. That is when the cracks in a system become so obvious they can no longer
be credibly denied. Those vested in the old system scream and shout, they buy themselves a little time with increasingly repressive
measures, but the house is moments away from falling. The critical questions are who gets hurt when the structure tumbles, and who
decides how it will be rebuilt .
The new paradigm is coming anyway. If we don't choose it ourselves, the planet will for us. It could be an improvement, it could
be a deterioration, it could be extinction, depending on how prepared we are for it and how violently those invested in the old system
resist the loss of their power. If enough of us understand the need for discarding the broken system, the greater the hope that we
can build something better from the ruins.
We are now at the point where the corporate elite can see the cracks are widening but they remain in denial. They are entering
the tantrum phase, screaming and shouting at their enemies, and readying to implement ever-more repressive measures to maintain their
power.
They have rightly identified social media as the key concern. This is where we -- the 99 per cent -- have begun waking each
other up. This is where we are sharing and learning, emerging out of the darkness clumsily and shaken. We are making mistakes, but
learning. We are heading up blind alleys, but learning. We are making poor choices, but learning. We are making unhelpful alliances,
but learning .
No one, least of all the corporate elite, knows precisely where this process might lead, what capacities we have for political,
social and spiritual growth.
And what the elite don't own or control, they fear.
Putting the genie back
The elite have two weapons they can use to try to force the second camp back into the bottle. They can vilify it, driving it back
into the margins of public life, where it was until the advent of social media; or they can lock down the new channels of mass communication
their insatiable drive to monetise everything briefly opened up.
Both strategies have risks, which is why they are being pursued tentatively for the time being. But the second option is by far
the riskier of the two. Shutting down social media too obviously could generate blowback, awakening more of the first camp to the
illusions the second camp have been trying to alert them to.
Corbyn's significance -- and danger -- is that he brings much of the language and concerns of the second camp into the mainstream.
He offers a fast-track for the second camp to reach the first camp, and accelerate the awakening process. That, in turn, would improve
the chances of the paradigm shift being organic and transitional rather than disruptive and violent.
That is why he has become a lightning rod for the wider machinations of the ruling elite. They want him destroyed, like blowing
up a bridge to stop an advancing army.
It is a sign both of their desperation and their weakness that they have had to resort to the nuclear option, smearing him as
an anti-semite. Other, lesser smears were tried first: that he was not presidential enough to lead Britain; that he was anti-establishment;
that he was unpatriotic; that he might be a traitor. None worked. If anything, they made him more popular.
And so a much more incendiary charge was primed, however at odds it was with Corbyn's decades spent as an anti-racism activist.
The corporate elite weaponised anti-semitism not because they care about the safety of Jews, or because they really believe
that Corbyn is an anti-semite. They chose it because it is the most destructive weapon -- short of sex-crime smears and assassination
-- they have in their armoury.
The truth is the ruling elite are exploiting British Jews and fuelling their fears as part of a much larger power game in
which all of us -- the 99 per cent -- are expendable. They will keep stoking this campaign to stigmatise Corbyn, even if a political
backlash actually does lead to an increase in real, rather than phoney, anti-semitism.
The corporate elites have no plan to go quietly. Unless we can build our ranks quickly and make our case confidently, their antics
will ensure the paradigm shift is violent rather than healing. An earthquake, not a storm.
Jonathan Cook won the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His books include "Israel and the Clash of Civilisations:
Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East" (Pluto Press) and "Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair"
(Zed Books). His website is www.jonathan-cook.net .
"The corporate elite weaponised anti-semitism not because they care about the safety of Jews, or because they really
believe that Corbyn is an anti-semite. They chose it because it is the most destructive weapon – short of sex-crime smears
and assassination – they have in their armoury."
I must admit I assumed it was because he's less than 100% behind Israel and thinks, not unreasonably, that the Palestinians
have had a pretty rough deal over the last 60 years. He raises the frightening (to some) prospect of a UK government that is more
neutral on the issues, and doesn't think we can bomb peace into the Middle East.
Occam's Razor would seem to suggest that's the answer.
"Corbyn's significance – and danger – is that he brings much of the language and concerns of the second camp into the
mainstream. "
You're right about the electorate being divided – but I'd suggest young Corbyn voters are just as blinkered as any Daily Mail
reader. My kids all voted for him because they thought he'd cancel their student debt.
Maybe Corbyn activists are better informed, but I very much doubt it.
Corbyn has to resist the temptation to give way to them. He is right on the Palestinian issue, and, since the Palestinians
are 100 % semites (though "anti-semitism" has been appropriated to mean anti-Jewish most Jewish emigrants from Europe have considerable
non-semitic blood mixed in) the real anti-semites here appear to be the Israeli element bent on eliminating the Palestinians.
The Gaza strip is a ghetto operated in a similar manner to how the Nazis operated the ghettoes in occupied Poland (though without
the Auschwitz end game up to now). The thing is, if Corbyn stands up to this, in my view, his supporters will fully back him up.
In my view, the Israelis are risking real anti-Israeli blowback which could resurrect evils buried with the collapse of the Nazi
regime. Indeed, the way they are acting on this and other related issues, threatening those who criticise them in any fashion
seems to be providing ex post facto justifications of the most absurd propaganda the Nazis put forward during that era.
The real question is why it is that even the slightest hint of a politician not being totally onboard with >1% of the population
results in a years long campaign to destroy him by most of the media, but mentioning the open desire of all three parties to discriminate
against and replace the native population of Britain makes you a pariah.
You said it. It's because Corbyn is not totally on board with the less than 1% that he is seen as a threat. Total control of
everyone and everything is their aim.
There is certainly an MSM/Blairite full court press to push the anti-Semitism story, that is mostly being fronted by goyim
who are kissing up – Jess Phillips, Maajid Nawaz, Dan Hodges (Glenda Jackson's son) etc. But it is getting no traction with the
public at large. If they force another leadership contest Corbyn will win easily.
These people live in a North London Anglo-American bubble, and they are now realizing that there is no large Evangelocon constituency
in Britain.
No Bubbas waiting to be raptured = Nobody much cares about Israel
"... Empire – the old far left and the new far right are against the USA having an Empire and against perpetual war. ..."
"... Economy – the old far left and the new far right think free trade and Wall Street are killing middle class jobs and the ladders of success. ..."
"... Race/Sex/Gender – the old far right KKK vlugar bigoted view is pretty much dead in America. The new far right is trying to work through real facts on group differences and what is reasonable to do about it. Everyone else is CCCrazy. ..."
I think we are all struggling to come up with a new vocabulary to rationally describe the
new forces at work in our society. I would welcome suggestions because I've got nuthin
here.
I agree. I used to be liberal, then became far left, and I am now far right. And I never
changed my views! The politics around me changed.
Here are some forces at work:
1. Empire – the old far left and the new far right are against the USA having an
Empire and against perpetual war. Read Pat Buchanan and Mike Whitney on Middle East wars
and Russia and they sound a lot alike. Everyone else in America supports the Empire, either
actively or passively.
2. Economy – the old far left and the new far right think free trade and Wall
Street are killing middle class jobs and the ladders of success. It's the old Democrat pro
union view and the old Republican main street vs. wall street view. If you like socialism, you
gotta hate Wall Street. If you like free markets, you gotta hate Wall Street. Everyone else in
America supports Wall Stree rule over the Fed and economic policy, either actively or
passively.
3. Race/Sex/Gender – the old far right KKK vlugar bigoted view is pretty much dead
in America. The new far right is trying to work through real facts on group differences and
what is reasonable to do about it. Everyone else is CCCrazy.
A name embraced by white nationalists and/or white supremacists to refer to themselves and
their ideology, which emphasizes preserving and protecting the white race through populist
endeavors, which includes the return of patriarchy, the revocation of the 1965 Immigration
Act, an emphasis on race realism and/or the reinstitution of Western Christian
civilization.
"Who speaks for it?"
John Derbyshire. Steve Sailer. Vox Day. Richard Spencer. Mike Cernovich. For starters.
"... Further to my idea, what distinguishes the person on antidepressants is the complete self assurance with which they say the most ridiculous things. ..."
"... If one in ten people use the drugs, and more than one in ten higher up the social ladder, then each of us deals every day with someone who looks normal but displays chemically induced fanaticism. ..."
And you may be right. Scam artists know how easy it is to convince a mark of something
silly once the mark has dollar signs in his eyes.
Further to my idea, what distinguishes the person on antidepressants is the complete
self assurance with which they say the most ridiculous things. It is that inability to
say "I could be wrong, but " which is the giveaway plus of course the unquestioning belief
they are right.
If one in ten people use the drugs, and more than one in ten higher up the social
ladder, then each of us deals every day with someone who looks normal but displays chemically
induced fanaticism.
A chap I have known for forty years used to be shy, sensitive, well-read and funny. Now he
is spending his retirement playing World of Warcraft and has nothing to say. Big Pharma says
antidepressants turn introverts like him into extroverts. In fact the drugs have turned him
into a jerk.
We have no idea which of our 'opinion leaders' have undergone a similar change.
So standing up for American citizens is considered a "mentally insane" thing?
You are utterly and completely out of your mind, virtually from another planet, another
reality. A textbook example of insanity. The fact that you don't recognize it, simply
confirms the fact.
The Deep state is not, repeat not , the American people.
Regarding the Intel community: There are the guys in the trenches. these are honorable
guys. Then there is the leadership. The current leadership is on notice to behave itself, on
account of the new "Sheriff" in town. The corrupt politicized leadership from the
Clinton/Bush/Obama regimes however, now out of power, are attempting to overthrow the
legitimately elected president of the United States. In so doing, they are pursuing
treason-lite.
Clapper, Brennan, and Hayden are already full-on war criminals: Iraq & torture. Now,
in their attempt to destroy the Trump presidency, they are adding betrayal of democracy and
betrayal of the Constitution of the United States to their criminal resume. These are evil
men who think it is their job to run the United States from behind a malleable (gutless?)
figurehead who does what they tell him to do.
As I said in my original post, it is fascinating to observe people like you, utterly
dominated -- brain-raped really -- by a neocon/neoliberal narrative that has reduced them to
robotic -- even willing -- slaves of the 1%. Good for you. Enjoy. The others, who prefer
self-mastery to self-enslavement, will benefit from your choice of enslavement.
That is what all of this boils down to; Trump treating Americans like s*hit in front of
the whole world, while praising Russia and Russians.
The IC war criminals/traitors should not be equated with or allowed to hide anonymous
behind the majority population of decent Americans. Which is what simpletons like you enable
and then fall for.
I fully understood all the concerns for what the Left is doing to people and to the
society.
Trump praises Israel and says that, "Securing Israel's safety is our most important
task" not a peep comes from the Trump-supporters?!
Some Trump supporters do object. Others however grasp the political reality of Jewish
political influence in the US. Politically incompetent simpletons like yourself think Trump
should commit political suicide by taking on the Jews.
The Jews/Israel will be dealt with -- or not -- later, when Trump has secured his
presidency. And then, the rebalancing of the US-Israeli relationship will not be grounded in
hostility to the Jews, but will be more along the lines of America First.
Never ever did I expect, that it would be the Trump-supporters surfacing as the fifth
column, giving the "finishing touch" to the destruction of American citizens.
The above is pure paranoid, "the sky is falling", TDS whackadoodle.
The Liberals seem to have woken up,
The country is in the throes of a cultural war between the bubble-wrapped snowflakes and
"real" people. Thankfully, the "real" people will win, precisely because they have the
advantage of being reality-connected. The snowflakes will benefit as well -- you will benefit
-- by the resulting opportunity to reconnect with reality.
Good luck, best wishes, Trump is rapidly changing the world for the better.
And let me add: The Soviet Union is a quarter century gone, and with it Soviet Communism.
Putin is the preeminent statesman of our times. Go to YouTube and listen to what he says. He
and Trump, aligned, are a force for good in the world. Peace with Russia is coming, and with
it a new era of peace and prosperity in the world.
Which leaves me to echo your closing comment:
Are you ever going to be able to comprehend this?
(Answer: Probably not for another six years, if ever.)
In the alt-right/far left scenario, we are supposed to dismiss the actual wishes of
Ukrainians, Estonians, Poles, Georgians and other peoples who hate Russia (and love the US)
as being simply irrelevant. Or, worse backed by shadowy Western forces.
Or how about we wish these East European countries well but we choose not to take their
side in whatever feud they have going with Russia? Maybe the people who "love the US" love
the worst aspects of America? Maybe a lot of them come across as greasy little hustlers on
the make? Ever think of that?
Anyone who has spent time in Ukraine knows how deep hatred of Russia goes, especially
in Western Ukraine.
And that's precisely why countries like Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland shouldn't be
in NATO. We should never have included countries with deep resentments against, and hazy
borders with Russia. The geniuses running the West should have encouraged the creation of a
lots of neutral states -- like Finland and Austria -- rather than expand NATO eastward.
who has spent time in Ukraine knows how deep hatred of Russia goes
I don't know where is Ukraine you spent your time and in what company, but this is
complete BS. The South-Eastern Ukraine hates the Western Ukrainian "banderovtsi" as much as
the Russians do if not more -- after all, the followers of Bandera operated mostly on the
Ukrainian soil. There are deranged individuals in every country, of course, and Ukraine has
been subjected lately to intense hate propaganda as well as repressions, but there is no
hatred of Russia. This is contradicted by both sociology and everyday behavior of Ukrainian,
which move to Russia in droves, spend time in Russia, support Russian sport teams, etc.
we are supposed to dismiss the actual wishes of Ukrainians, Estonians, Poles, Georgians
and other peoples who hate Russia (and love the US)
Nobody is asking about what the real Ukrainians, Estonians, Georgians or even Poles
actually think, least of all the US. There are almost as many Georgians living in Russia as
there are in Georgia, and they show no desire to move back. In 2008 during the conflict,
their biggest fear was that they'd be deported.
The Ukraine's Maidan was a violent coup, where a few thousand militants armed and trained
abroad overthrew a government elected by the entire country. Protests that immediately
started all over the country were suppressed with force -- the one in Donbass still is.
How could anyone with an access to Internet remain unaware of these facts is beyond
me.
That's an interesting point. Even if true, doesn't matter. One could wonder ..who are the
people populating Ukrainian Armed Forces? Or who are the guys, in Ukrainian Armed Forces,
presently engaged against Donbass? All of them. Including those is logistics/maintenance
depots far away from the (current) line of separation?
The will to fight against "Russia" ranges from a deep hate to simply not wishing to go
against the (current) Ukrainian government. The former are in those "shock" battalions. The
later are manning the logistics train. And everything in between.
Now .if/when a real shooting starts, as soon as Russia, as expected (and desired) by the
most of readers here, starts delivering ordnance into operational depth of Donbass enemy, the
ratio hate/don't care shall shift, hard and fast. Not in Russian favor, I suspect.
Why should anyone freaking care and put his ass in the line of fire because you bunch of
primitives hate Russia? Between having a nuclear cataclysm because you pathetic dwarfs of
nations are frustrated to have a neighbour you can't bully and Russia obliterating you, I say
let Russia obliterate you, thus we won't have to suffer the ear-hurting dissonnance of your
incessant whining any more. Though I doubt Russia would stomp on you. When you see shit, you
don't stomp on it, you don't want you don't want your shoes to stink, you just walk around
it.
Or who are the guys, in Ukrainian Armed Forces, presently engaged against Donbass?
Besides those in "volunteer battalions", which tend to be nationalistic with distinct Nazi
overtones, people in the regular Armed Forces are there for the money. There are very few
paying jobs in today's Ukraine, so men enlist and hope for the best.
the ratio hate/don't care shall shift, hard and fast. Not in Russian favor, I
suspect.
That could've been the case in 2014. Today I very much doubt it. Even the Right Sector
people are fed up with the current power in Kiev, and even the dumbest nationalists are
beginning to realize what a deep hole the country is in. Normal people all over the
South-East are hoping and praying for the Russians to come. The problem is the Russians
aren't coming.
To add to the list of things that the Russians had on Hillary .
IIRC, she was Sec of State at the time the US election-meddling-and-color-revolution
brigade tried to rig the Russian elections against Putin.
Putin does not seem to be the sort to let emotion be more important than policy, but I've
always wondered that to the small extent the Russians did take a pop at Hillary's campaign,
if it didn't bring a bit of a smile to Putin's face to know he was just giving back the hits
he'd already taken from her.
Hillary of course was incompetent in having America interfere in Russian elections. That
campaign never had a chance as Putin is a lot more popular in Russia than Hillary is in
America. So, she took a pot shot at a rival world leader knowing (or at least some smart
people did) that it would have no effect and that Putin would win that election anyways.
And of course Hillary the Arrrogant could never imagine that another player in the game
would get to take a turn, and that others might interfere in her election, and she knew she'd
run and she knew she'd rig the Dem party to get the nod, in the same way the NED and the
Soros NGO's tried to interfere in Russia.
Ron Ridenour's latest book (this is his 10 th book on international relations and
politics) takes a direct shot at one of the most prevailing myths in the western political
discourse: the thesis that Russia and its USSR predecessor have been uniquely aggressive and
generally bellicose states. At a time when rabid russophobia is the order of the day (again --
chronic russophobia has been a regular feature of western political culture for many centuries
now), this is a very timely and important book which I highly recommend to those interested in
history.
The book is separated into three parts. In the first part of the book ( The Great
Capitalist Socialist Divide ), Ridenour looks at the Cuban Missile Crisis in some detail
and uses it to debunk the many myths which the "official" US historiography has been presenting
as dogma for decades. In this first section, Ridenour also provides many fascinating details
about Captain Vasili Arkhipov "the man who prevented WWIII". He also recounts how the US
propaganda machine tried, and still tries, to blame the murder of JFK on the Russians. The
second part of the book ( Peace, Land, Bread ) goes back in history and looks into the
ideological and political struggle between the collective West and the Soviet Union from the
revolution of 1917 and well into the Cold War. The third part of the book ( Russia At the
Crossroads -- the Putin Era ) conclude with very recent events, including the western
backed coup d'etat in the Ukraine and the Russian intervention in Syria.
The first and the third parts of the book are extremely well researched and offer a
rock-solid, fact-based, and logical analysis of the Cuban Missile Crisis and its modern
equivalent, the AngloZionist "crusade" against modern Russia. This is a very important and good
choice because the two crises have a lot in common. I would even argue that the current crisis
is much more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis because of the extremely low personal and
intellectual qualities of the current US ruling elites. Ridenour shows that in 1962 it was not
the Soviets, but the US which pushed the world to the edge of a nuclear war, and in the third
section of his book he shows how, yet again, the Empire is cornering Russia into a situation
which very much risks resulting in a nuclear conflict.
For those who would have a knee-jerk rejection of Ridenour's crimethink, the book, on
page 438-444, offers a list of governments the USA has overthrown since WWII (50), countries
which the USA has bombed (30), foreign leaders it has murdered (50+), suppressed
populist/nationalist movements (20), and subverted democratic elections (30). Ridenour then
asks how it is that with a tally like that the US gets to moralize about Russia. He is
absolutely right, of course. Compared to the USA, the Soviet Union was a peace-loving,
non-interventionist and generally international law respecting country. Oh sure, the USSR had
its share of horrors and evil deeds, but compared with the "land of the free and the home of
the brave" these are minor, almost petty, transgressions.
The book is not without its faults. Sadly, in the second part of his book Ridenour repeats
what I can only call the "standard list of western clichés" about the 1917 Revolution,
it's causes and effects. Truth be told, Ridenour is most certainly not to be singled out for
making such a mistake: most of the books written in English and many of those written in
Russian about this period of Russian history are basically worthless because they are all
written by folks (from all sides of the political spectrum) with a vested ideological interest
in presenting a completely counter-factual chronology of what actually took place (Russian
author Ivan Solonevich wrote at length about this phenomenon in his books). Furthermore, such a
process is inevitable: after decades of over-the-top demonization of everything and anything
Soviet, there is now a "return of the pendulum" (both in Russia and outside) to whitewash the
Soviet regime and explain away all its crimes and atrocities (of which there were plenty). For
these reasons I would recommend that readers skip chapter 7 entirely (the description of the
1905 and 1917 revolutions are particularly bad and sound like a rehash of Soviet propaganda
clichés of the early 1980s).
This weakness of this historical analysis of the two Russian revolutions is, of course,
rather disappointing, but it in no way affects the pertinence of the fundamental thesis of this
book: that, for all its very real faults, the "Evil Empire" was a gentle and timid regime when
compared to the AngloZionist "Axis of Kindness" and its never-ending violent rampages all over
the world (literally) and its orgy of subversion and violence in the name of democracy,
freedom, human rights and all the rest of the western propaganda buzzwords.
The book's afterworld begins with the following words " WAITING AND WAITING! Waiting for
the end of the world! Waiting for Godot! Although, unlike in Samuel Beckett's Theater of the
Absurd play, in which Godot never arrives, the mad men and mad women leaders of the US, France
and UK (and Israel) are bringing us their bombs ". Having been warning about the very risks
of war for at least 4 years now, and having, along with others, posted a special " Russian
Warning " to warn about this danger, I can only wholeheartedly welcome the publication of
an entire book aimed at averting such a cataclysmic outcome.
My other big regret with this book is that it does not have an index. This is particularly
frustrating since the book is packed with over 500 pages of very interesting information and
can be used as a very good reference book.
Still, these criticisms should not distract from the very real value of this book. One of
the most frightening phenomena today is that the Empire and Russia are currently headed
directly for war and that, unlike what took place during the Cuban Missile Crisis, almost
nobody today speaks about this. The western corporate media is especially guilty in this
regard, as it encourages a constant escalation of rabid anti-Russian rhetoric (and actions)
without ever mentioning that if brought to its logical conclusion such policies will result in
a devastating war which the West cannot win (neither can Russia, of course, but that is hardly
much of a consolation, is it?).
There have been courageous voices in the West trying to stop this crazy slide towards a
nuclear apocalypse (I especially think of Professor Stephen Cohen and Paul Craig Roberts) but
theirs were truly "cries in the wilderness". And it doesn't matter one bit whether somebody
identifies himself as a conservative, liberal, progressive, libertarian, socialist,
anarcho-capitalist or by another other (mostly meaningless) political label. What matters is as
simple as it is crucial: preventing the Neocons from triggering a war with Russia or with
China, or with Iran, or with the DPRK, or with Venezuela, or with ( fill in the blank ).
The list of countries the US is in conflict with is very long (just remember Nikki Haley
berating and threatening the entire UN General Assembly because the vast majority of its
members dared to disagree with the US position on Jerusalem), but Russia is (yet again) the
designated arch-villian, the Evil Empire, Mordor -- you name it! Russia is the country which
wants to murder everybody with poison gas, from the Skripals in the UK, to the innocent
children of Syria. Russia is the country which shoots down airliners and prepares to invade all
her western neighbors. Finally, Russia is the place which hacks every computer in the "Free
World" and interferes with every single election. The longer that list of idiotic accusations
stretches, the bigger the risk of war becomes, because words have their weight and you cannot
have normal, civilized relations with the Evil Empire of Mordor which is "highly likely" to
invade, nuke or otherwise subvert the peace-loving peoples of the West.
Except that there never was any such thing as a "peace loving West" -- that is truly a
self-serving and 100% false myth. The historical record shows that in reality the collective
West has engaged in a 1000 year long murderous rampage all over the planet and that each time
it designated its victim as the culprit and itself as the defender of lofty ideals. Ridenour's
The Russian Peace Threat: Pentagon on Alert (alongside with Guy Mettan's "
here ) does a long way towards debunking this myth.
With the few caveats mentioned above, I highly recommend this book.
I tend to agree with Saker–that yes, the Soviet Empire, and the current Russian
government have had their"nasty" moments, but it is not those governments that made their
very existence depend on creating chaos, death and destruction across the globe. The American
people have been too complacent–at least through out my life time (far side of 70) --
because they really have had no struggle as most of the rest of the world has. Mostly good
economic conditions, not having to rebuild after invading armies have passed through, plenty
of meat and potatoes–and all the other consumer goods. As long as that has been the
case, we have not really cared about what the government in DC has been doing "over there"
Consequently, the war industry has won control of the country.
So the possibility of nuclear war is closer now than ever before. It seems to me that the
neocon mentality that has been dominant for the past 25-30 years (the fall of the Soviet
empire?) comes with an erroneous belief that some how as was the case in the two previous
"great wars" conus will be spared any pain. However, it is my belief that there can not
possible be a limited nuclear exchange–one bomb will have everyone with the capacity
using them, and even if the "elite" manage to survive in their extensive underground
shelters, when they finally do have to come out, the idiots will have no idea at all as to
how to survive in an alien world.
Anyway, hope it doesn't happen, but arrogance has caused more than it's share of trouble,
and the neocons are nothing if not arrogant.
..the current crisis is much more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis because of the
extremely low personal and intellectual qualities of the current US ruling elites ..
.The longer that list of idiotic accusations stretches, the bigger the risk of war
becomes ..
I do place a bit of the blame for unhappy outcome on Kremlin , though.
Had it acted more assertively, and decidedly, maybe US elite wouldn't have been acting so
recklessly.
Sharp and decisive intervention in Syria; overwhelming intervention in Ukraine.
And last but not least, a couple of missiles towards those two destroyers recently. With
training warheads, calculate for just one, two tops, to make through, and make a hole.
"They" believe that whenever they push Kremlin will step back. As so far.
Can anyone point as to where is that "red line"? I can't. But I am sure there is
somewhere.
And, it's highly likely we'll recognize it only when ICMBs start flying.
Much good it will do to all of us then.
"... The greatest success of the US conspiracy practitioners has been in convincing the US mass media to act as an arm of the CIA-Pentagon-Congressional and Presidential interventionist agenda. ..."
"... Conspiratorial plots have a narrow audience, mostly the US mass media and elite . They seem to have a short-term impact in justifying sanctions and trade wars. The media plotters having called wolf and proved nothing ,have lost credibility among a wide swath of the public. ..."
The mass media and political leaders of the US have resorted to denouncing competitors and
adversaries as spies engaged in criminal theft of vital political, economic and military
know-how.
The spy-mania has spread every place and all the time, it has become an essential element in
driving national criminal hearings, global economic warfare and military budgets.
In this paper we will analyze and discuss the use and abuse of spy-mongering by (1)
identifying the accused countries which are targeted; (2) the instruments of the spy
conspiracy; (3) the purpose of the 'spy attacks'.
Spies, Spies Everywhere: A Multi-Purpose Strategy
Washington's 'spy-strategy' resorts to multiple targets, focusing on different sectors of
activities.
Russia has been accused of poisoning adversaries, using overseas operatives in England. The
evidence is non-existent. The accusation revolves around an instant lethal poison which in fact
did not lead to death.
No Russian operative was identified. The only 'evidence' was that Russia possessed the
poison- as did the US and other countries. The events took place in England and the British
government played a major role in pointing the finger toward Russia and in launching a global
media campaign which was amplified in the US and in the EU.
The UK expelled Russian diplomats and threatened sanctions. The Trump regime picked up the
cudgels, increasing economic sanctions and demanding that Russia 'confess' to its 'homicidal
behavior'. The poison plot resonated with the Democratic Party campaign against Trump ,
accusing Russia of meddling in the Presidential election, on Trump's behalf. No evidence was
presented. But the less the evidence, the longer the investigation and the wider the
conspiratorial net; it now includes overseas business people, students and diplomats.
US conspiracy officials targeted China, accusing the Chinese government of stealing US
technology, scientific research and patents. China's billion dollar "Belt and Road" agreement
with over sixty countries was presented as a communist plot to dominate countries, grab their
resources, generate debt dependency and to recruit overseas networks of covert operatives. In
fact, China's plans were public, accepted by most of the US allies and membership was even
offered to the US.
Iran was accused of plotting to establish overseas terrorist military operations in Yemen,
Iraq and Syria – targeting the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia. No evidence was ever
presented. In fact, massive US and EU supplied arms and advisors to Saudi Arabia's overt terror
bombing of Houthi-led Yemen cities and populations. Iran backed the Syrian government in
opposition to the US backed armed mercenaries. Iranian advisers in Syria were bombed by Israel
– and never retaliated.
The US policy elite resort to conspiratorial plots and spying depends heavily on the mass
media to repeat and elaborate on the charges endlessly, depending on self-identified experts
and ex-pats from the targeted country. In effect the media is the message. Media-state
collaboration is reinforced by the application of sanctions -- the punishment proves guilt!
In the case of Russia, the conspirators demonize President Putin; he is 'guilty' because he
was an ex-official of the police; he was accused of 'seizing' Crimea which voted to rejoin
Russia. In other words, plots are linked to unrelated activity, personality disorders and to US
self-inflicted defeats!
Labeling is another tool common to conspiracy plotters; China is a 'dictatorship' intent on
taking over the world -- therefore, it could only defeat the US through spying and stealing
secrets and assets from the US.
Iran is labelled a 'terrorist state' which allows the US to violate the international
nuclear agreement and to support Israeli demands for economic sanctions. No evidence is ever
presented that Iran invaded or terrorized any state.
The Political Strategy Behind Conspiracy Terrorists
There are several important motives for the US government to resort to conspiracy plots.
By accusing countries of crimes, it hopes that the accused will respond by revealing their
inability or unwillingness to engage in the action falsely attributed to them. Pentagon plots
put adversaries on the defensive – spending time and energy answering to the US agenda
rather than pursuing and advancing their own.
For example, the US claims that China is stealing economic technology to promote its
superiority, is designed to pressure China to downplay or modify its long-term plan for
strategic growth. While China will not give general credence to US conspiracy practitioners, it
has downplayed the slogans designed to motivate its scientists to "Make China Great'.
Likewise, the US conspiracy practitioners accusation that Iran is 'meddling' in Yemen and
Syria is designed to distract world opinion from the US military support for Saudi Arabia's
terror bombing in Yemen and Israel's missile attacks in Syria.
Plot accusations have had some effect in Syria. Russia has demanded or asked Iran to
withdraw fifty miles from the Israeli border. Apparently Iran has lowered its support for
Yemen.
Russia has been blanketed with unsubstantiated accusations of intervening in the Ukraine,
which distracts attention from Washington's support for the mob-led coup.
The UK claim that Russia planted a deadly poison, was concocted in order to distract
attention from the Brexit fiasco and Prime Minister May's effort to entice the US to sign a
major trade agreement.
How Successful are Conspiratorial Politics?
The greatest success of the US conspiracy practitioners has been in convincing the US
mass media to act as an arm of the CIA-Pentagon-Congressional and Presidential interventionist
agenda.
Secondly, the conspiracy has had an impact on both political parties – especially the
Democratic leadership, which has waged a political war accusing Trump of plotting with Russia,
to defeat Clinton in the presidential elections. However, Democratic conspiracy advocates have
sacrificed their popular electorate who are more interested in economic issues then in regime
plots – and may lose to the Republicans in the fall 2018 Congressional elections.
Thirdly, the plot and spy line has some impact on the EU but not on their public. Moreover,
the EU is more concerned with President Trump's trade war and made overtures to Russia.
Fourthly, China , Iran and Russia have moved closer economically in response to the
conspiracy plots and trade wars.
Conclusion: The Perils of Power Grabbers
Conspiratorial plots have a narrow audience, mostly the US mass media and elite . They
seem to have a short-term impact in justifying sanctions and trade wars. The media plotters
having called wolf and proved nothing ,have lost credibility among a wide swath of the
public.
Moreover, the conspiracy has not resulted in any basic shifts in the orientation of their
adversaries, nor has it shaped the electoral agenda for the majority of US voters.
The conspiracy advocates have discredited themselves by the transparency of their
fabrications and the flimsiness of their evidence. In the long-run, historians will provide a
footnote on the bankruptcy of US foreign and domestic policy based on plots and
conspiracies.
Aspen Institute does make attempts at outreach, but they invariably cock it up by
eliciting, recruiting, or suborning every single person they bring in. The shitheads even
tried to do it to me. You would think they'd have a dossier saying I hate those cobags. Their
fundamental problem is, Aspen Institute is CIA. Their first and only instinct is to use
people like toilet paper. They don't want popular support. They want agents in complete
control.
Yes, the Aspen Institute is the CIA and the CIA is the Aspen Institute. Or, to be more
precise, the CIA is the armed wing of Washington's permanently governing technocratic party,
in the same way the KGB was the armed wing of the Soviet Communist Party.
Poor Julian Assange is likely going to be in their hands not too long from now. The
citizen of one Five Eyes country will be arrested by another and then sent off to the
imperial metropole, to be kicked around like a political football. The rest of us
Anglosphericals are expected to cheer or remain silent. Either is acceptable.
CIA is boosting the volume of its anti-Russian vilification because more and more CIA
assets are getting flushed out. Stephan Halper is an obvious spook. Page is the corniest
traitor since Lee Harvey Oswald.
Publius Tacitus is incorrect, though, in making a distinction between the obama
administration and the intelligence community. Obama is a third-generation CIA spook he's a
CIA spokesmodel, not a head of state (see Andrew Krieg's Presidential Puppetry.)
Excerpt : "A Pew Research analysis on Monday found that more than a third of the
US' largest newspapers and more than a fifth of its largest digital outlets experienced
layoffs between January 2017 and April 2018."
The Aspen Institute is CIA, but the CIA is an organization created and controlled by the
globalist conspirators at the Council on Foreign Relations, mostly the Rockefellers and other
banksters.
But you cannot see that because you're focused on US cultural colonization or things you
have seen in Hollywood films You compare yourself to the United States because it is a
similar former British colony and white settler nation
...Since the CIA-sponsored coup of 1975, the country has been 'going to the dogs' at an
increasing rate. The sheople glory under their 'Lucky Country' delusion, not even knowing its
full import: Lucky not to be even partly aware. Yeah sure, the corrupt&venal MSM+PFBCs [=
publicly financed broadcasters] try to revive 'the yellow peril' scare, but that's just
standard 'Bernays haze' scare mongering, to keep the proles from thinking: Der, they [as
peterAUS] didn't think. rgds
PS The great Aus-unwashed, as any 'Western' citizen, has zero choice; so-called 'Western
democracy' allows for as good as zero 'citizen input.' The 'choice' of Trump should be put
down to an aberration -- some 'clever-clogs' manipulators -- *not* Russians -- pulled off a
coup. But as they used to say: "Better red than dead;" better Trump than HRC.
"... However, as convincingly established by dissident Russian film-maker Andrei Nekrasov's (banned) investigative documentary, the unfortunate Magnitsky was neither a human rights crusader, nor a lawyer, nor beaten to death. He was an accountant jailed for his role in Browder's business dealings, who died of natural causes as a result of inadequate medical treatment. The case was hyped up as a major human rights drama by Browder in order to discredit Russian charges against himself. ..."
"... The Magnitsky Act also condemns legal prosecution of Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Browder, on a much smaller scale, also made a fortune ripping off Russians during the Yeltsin years, and later got into trouble with Russian tax collectors. Since Browder had given up his U.S. citizenship in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes, he had reason to fear Russian efforts to extradite him for tax evasion and other financial misdeeds. ..."
"... So, the Fixer in Chief could have said to the worried Browder, "No problem. All that we need to do is make your case a politically motivated case. Then they can't touch you." Winer's clever treaty is a perfect Catch-22. The treaty doesn't apply to a case if it is politically motivated, and if it is Russian, it must be politically motivated. ..."
"... Needless to say, Khodorkovsky's Corbiere Trust lobbied heavily to get Congress to pass the Magnitsky Act, which also repeated its defense of Khodorkovsky himself. This type of "Russian interference intended to influence policy" is not even noticed, while U.S. authorities scour cyberspace for evidence of trolls. ..."
"... The United States, in contrast, is in favor of interference in other countries on principle: because it seeks a Unipolar world, with a single "democratic" system, and considers itself the final authority as to which regime a country should have and how it should run its affairs. ..."
"... U.S. policy-makers practice interference every day. And they are perfectly willing to allow Russians to interfere in American politics – so long as those Russians are "unipolar" like themselves, like Khodorkovsky, who aspire to precisely the same unipolar world sought by the State Department and George Soros. Indeed, the American empire depends on such interference from Iraqis, Libyans, Iranians, Russians, Cubans – all those who come to Washington to try to get U.S. power to settle old scores or overthrow the government in the country they came from. All those are perfectly welcome to lobby for a world ruled by America. ..."
As well as the tobacco industry and the Clinton Foundation, APCO also works for
Khodorkovsky. To be precise, according to public listings, the fourth biggest of APCO's many
clients is the Corbiere Trust, owned by Khodorkovsky and registered in Guernsey. The trust
tends and distributes some of the billions that the oligarch got out of Russia before he was
jailed. Corbiere money was spent to lobby both for Resolution 322 (supporting Khodorkovky after
his arrest in Russia) and for the Magnitsky Act (more later). Margery Kraus, APCO's president
and CEO, is a member of Mikhail Khodorkovsky's son Pavel's Institute of Modern Russia, devoted
to "promoting democratic values" – in other words, to building political opposition to
Vladimir Putin.
In 2009 Jonathan Winer went back to the State Department where he was given a distinguished
service award for having somehow rescued thousands of stranded members of the Muhahedin-e Khalq
from their bases in Iraq they were trying to overthrow the Iranian government. The MeK, once
officially recognized as a terrorist organization by the State Department, has become a pet
instrument in U.S. and Israeli regime change operations directed at Iran.
However, it was Winer's extracurricular activities at State that finally brought him into
the public spotlight early this year – or rather, the spotlight of the House Intelligence
Committee, whose chairman Devin Nunes (R-Cal) named him as
one of a network promoting the notorious "Steele Dossier" which accused Trump of illicit
financial dealing and compromising sexual activities in Russia.
By Winer's own account, he had been friends with former British intelligence agent
Christopher Steele since his days at APCO. Back at State, he regularly channeled Steele
reports, ostensibly drawn from contacts with friendly Russian intelligence agents, to Victoria
Nuland, in charge of Russian affairs, and top Russian experts. These included the infamous
"Steele dossier". In September 2016, Winer's old friend Sidney Blumenthal – a
particularly close advisor to Hillary Clinton – gave him notes written by a more
mysterious Clinton insider named Cody Shearer, repeating the salacious attacks.
All this dirt was spread through government agencies and mainstream media before being
revealed publicly just before Trump's inauguration, used to stimulate the "Russiagate"
investigation by Robert Mueller. The dossier has been discredited but the investigation goes on
and on.
So, it is all right to take seriously information allegedly obtained from "Russian agents"
and spread it around, so long as it can damage Trump. As with so much else in Washington,
double standards are the rule.
Jonathan Winer and the Magnitsky Act
Jonathan Winer played a major role in Congressional adoption of the "Sergei Magnitsky Rule
of Law Accountability Act of 2012" (the Magnitsky Act), a measure that effectively ended
post-Cold War hopes for normal relations between Washington and Moscow. This act was based on a
highly contentious version of the November 16, 2009 death in prison of accountant Sergei
Leonidovich Magnitsky, as told to Congress by hedge fund manager Bill Browder (grandson of Earl
Browder, head of the Communist Party USA 1934-1945). According to Browder, Magnitsky was a
lawyer beaten to death in prison as a result of his crusade for human rights.
However, as convincingly established by dissident Russian film-maker Andrei Nekrasov's
(banned) investigative documentary, the unfortunate Magnitsky was neither a human rights
crusader, nor a lawyer, nor beaten to death. He was an accountant jailed for his role in
Browder's business dealings, who died of natural causes as a result of inadequate medical
treatment. The case was hyped up as a major human rights drama by Browder in order to discredit
Russian charges against himself.
In any case
The Magnitsky Act also condemns legal prosecution of Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Browder, on a
much smaller scale, also made a fortune ripping off Russians during the Yeltsin years, and
later got into trouble with Russian tax collectors. Since Browder had given up his U.S.
citizenship in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes, he had reason to fear Russian efforts to
extradite him for tax evasion and other financial misdeeds.
It was Jonathan Winer who found a solution to Browder's predicament.
, "When Browder consulted me, [ ] I suggested creating a new law to impose economic and
travel sanctions on human-rights violators involved in grand corruption. Browder decided this
could secure a measure of justice for Magnitsky. He initiated a campaign that led to the
enactment of the Magnitsky Act. Soon other countries enacted their own Magnitsky Acts,
including Canada, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and most recently, the United Kingdom."
Russian authorities are still trying to pursue their case against Browder. In his press
conference following the Helsinki meeting with Trump, Vladimir Putin suggested allowing U.S.
authorities to question the Russians named in the Mueller indictment in exchange for allowing
Russian officials to question individuals involved in the Browder case, including Winer and
former U.S. ambassador to Moscow Michael McFaul. Putin observed that such an exchange was
possible under the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty signed between the two countries in 1999,
back in the Yeltsin days when America was posing as Russia's best friend.
But the naïve Russians did not measure the craftiness of American lawyers.
As Winer wrote, "Under that treaty, Russia's procurator general can ask the U.S. attorney
general to arrange for Americans to be ordered to testify to assist in a criminal case. But
there is a fundamental exception: The attorney general can provide no such assistance in a
politically motivated case." (My emphasis.)
"I know this", he wrote, "because I was among those who helped put it there. Back in 1999,
when we were negotiating the agreement with Russia, I was the senior State Department official
managing U.S.-Russia law-enforcement relations."
So, the Fixer in Chief could have said to the worried Browder, "No problem. All that we
need to do is make your case a politically motivated case. Then they can't touch you." Winer's
clever treaty is a perfect Catch-22. The treaty doesn't apply to a case if it is politically
motivated, and if it is Russian, it must be politically motivated.
In a July 15, 2016, complaint to the Justice Department, Browder's Heritage Capital
Management accused both American and Russian opponents of the Magnitsky Act of violating the
Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA; adopted in 19938 with Nazis in mind). Among the
"lobbyists" cited was the late Ron Dellums (falsely identified in the complaint as a "former
Republican congressman").
The Heritage Capital Management brief declared that: "While lawyers representing foreign
principals are exempt from filing under FARA, this is only true if the attorney does not try to
influence policy at the behest of his client." However, by disseminating anti-Magnitsky
material to Congress, any Russian lawyer was "clearly trying to influence policy" was therefore
in violation of FARA filing requirements."
Catch-22 all over again.
Needless to say, Khodorkovsky's Corbiere Trust lobbied heavily to get Congress to pass
the Magnitsky Act, which also repeated its defense of Khodorkovsky himself. This type of
"Russian interference intended to influence policy" is not even noticed, while U.S. authorities
scour cyberspace for evidence of trolls.
Conclusion
The basic ideological conflict here is between Unipolar America and Multipolar Russia.
Russia's position, as Vladimir Putin made clear in his historic speech at the 2007 Munich
security conference, is to allow countries to enjoy national sovereignty and develop in their
own way. The current Russian government is against interference in other countries' politics on
principle. It would naturally prefer an American government willing to allow this.
The United States, in contrast, is in favor of interference in other countries on
principle: because it seeks a Unipolar world, with a single "democratic" system, and considers
itself the final authority as to which regime a country should have and how it should run its
affairs.
So, if Russians were trying to interfere in U.S. domestic politics, they would not be trying
to change the U.S. system but to prevent it from trying to change their own. Russian leaders
clearly are sufficiently cultivated to realize that historic processes do not depend on some
childish trick played on somebody's computer.
U.S. policy-makers practice interference every day. And they are perfectly willing to
allow Russians to interfere in American politics – so long as those Russians are
"unipolar" like themselves, like Khodorkovsky, who aspire to precisely the same unipolar world
sought by the State Department and George Soros. Indeed, the American empire depends on such
interference from Iraqis, Libyans, Iranians, Russians, Cubans – all those who come to
Washington to try to get U.S. power to settle old scores or overthrow the government in the
country they came from. All those are perfectly welcome to lobby for a world ruled by
America.
Russian interference in American politics is totally welcome so long as it helps turn public
opinion against "multipolar" Putin, glorifies American democracy, serves U.S. interests
including the military-industrial complex, helps break down national borders (except those of
the United States and Israel) and puts money in appropriate pockets in the halls of
Congress.
"... The individuals may be sane, but as a herd they are ready to leap off the cliff. ..."
"... For the past two years, a particular power group has sought to explain away its loss of power – or rather, its loss of the Presidency, as it still holds a predominance of institutional power – by creation of a myth ..."
"... So at worst, "the Russians" are accused of revealing some relatively minor facts concerning the Hillary Clinton campaign. Big deal. ..."
"... Donald Trump is not particularly articulate, navigating through the language with a small repetitive vocabulary, but what he said at his Helsinki press conference was honest and even brave. As the hounds bay for his blood, he quite correctly refused to endorse the "findings" of US intelligence agencies, fourteen years after the same agencies "found" that Iraq was bursting with weapons of mass destruction. How in the world could anyone expect anything else? ..."
"... In short, the only chance to end the nuclear war threat may depend on support for Trump from Israel and the Pentagon! ..."
"... The hysterical neoliberal globalists seem to have ruled out any other possibility – and perhaps this one too. ..."
"... This is a frightening, accurate commentary on what we face as a result of an unaccountable power structure resorting to any and all means to retain power which, if this structure continues to exercise it, will lead to our extinction. ..."
"... In the establishment, it's not dementia as such, it's just serving the highest bidder. You can accuse only the elites of dementia: they forgot that to enjoy the fruits of your thievery you have to be alive. ..."
"... Thank you, this is an excellent summary of the situation right now. It's worth noting too just how disconnected the establishment is from the wider public. They have enormous financial resources and access to the entire legacy media but seem to have almost no real base of support. ..."
"... It's dangerous to underestimate an enemy. The useful idiot footsoldiers, screaming in mindless herd instinct, are one thing. The people behind them – the Koch brothers, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, others – there is nothing at all mindless or demented about them. ..."
"... Barbara Hinckley Sheldon Goldman, American Politics and Government, Glenview Ill.,1990 describes how the USA weapons industry skillfully prevents that spending on useless weapons deminishes. The history of the later Roman empire, the army in control. ..."
Where to begin to analyze the madness of mainstream media in reaction to the Trump-Putin
meeting in Helsinki? By focusing on the individual, psychology has neglected the problem of
mass insanity, which has now overwhelmed the United States establishment, its mass media and
most of its copycat European subsidiaries. The individuals may be sane, but as a herd they are
ready to leap off the cliff.
For the past two years, a particular power group has sought to explain away its loss of
power – or rather, its loss of the Presidency, as it still holds a predominance of
institutional power – by creation of a myth. Mainstream media is known for its herd
behavior, and in this case the editors, commentators, journalists have talked themselves into a
story that initially they themselves could hardly take seriously.
Donald Trump was elected by Russia ?
On the face of it, this is preposterous. Okay, the United States can manage to rig elections
in Honduras, or Serbia, or even Ukraine, but the United States is a bit too big and complex to
leave the choice of the Presidency to a barrage of electronic messages totally unread by most
voters. If this were so, Russia wouldn't need to try to "undermine our democracy". It would
mean that our democracy was already undermined, in tatters, dead. A standing corpse ready to be
knocked over by a tweet.
Even if, as is alleged without evidence, an army of Russian bots (even bigger than the
notorious Israeli army of bots) was besieging social media with its nefarious slanders against
poor innocent Hillary Clinton, this could determine an election only in a vacuum, with no other
influences in the field. But there was a lot of other stuff going on in the 2016 election, some
for Trump and some for Hillary, and Hillary herself scored a crucial own goal by denigrating
millions of Americans as "deplorables" because they didn't fit into her identity politics
constituencies.
The Russians could do nothing to build support for Trump, and there is not a hint of
evidence that they tried. They might have done something to harm Hillary, because there was so
much there: the private server emails, the Clinton foundation, the murder of Moammer Gaddafi,
the call for a no-fly zone in Syria they didn't have to invent it. It was there. So was the
hanky panky at the Democratic National Committee, on which the Clintonite accusations focus,
perhaps to cause everyone to forget much worse things.
When you come to think of it, the DNC scandal focused on Debbie Wasserman Schultz, not on
Hillary herself. Screaming about "Russian hacking the DNC" has been a distraction from much
more serious accusations against Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders supporters didn't need those
"revelations" to make them stop loving Hillary or even to discover that the DNC was working
against Bernie. It was always perfectly obvious.
So at worst, "the Russians" are accused of revealing some relatively minor facts concerning
the Hillary Clinton campaign. Big deal.
But that is enough, after two years of fakery, to send the establishment into a frenzy of
accusations of "treason" when Trump does what he said he would do while campaigning, try to
normalize relations with Russia.
This screaming comes not only from the US mainstream, but also from that European elite
which has been housebroken for seventy years as obedient poodles, dachshunds or corgis in the
American menagerie, via intense vetting by US trans-Atlantic "cooperation" associations. They
have based their careers on the illusion of sharing the world empire by following U.S. whims in
the Middle East and transforming the mission of their armed forces from defense into foreign
intervention units of NATO under U.S. command. Having not thought seriously about the
implications of this for over half a century, they panic at the suggestion of being left to
themselves.
The Western elite is now suffering from self-inflicted dementia.
Donald Trump is not particularly articulate, navigating through the language with a small
repetitive vocabulary, but what he said at his Helsinki press conference was honest and even
brave. As the hounds bay for his blood, he quite correctly refused to endorse the "findings" of
US intelligence agencies, fourteen years after the same agencies "found" that Iraq was bursting
with weapons of mass destruction. How in the world could anyone expect anything else?
But for the mainstream media, "the story" at the Helsinki summit, even the only
story, was Trump's reaction to the, er, trumped up charges of Russian interference in our
democracy. Were you or were you not elected thanks to Russian hackers? All they wanted was a
yes or no answer. Which could not possibly be yes. So they could write their reports in
advance.
Anyone who has frequented mainstream journalists, especially those who cover the "big
stories" on international affairs, is aware of their obligatory conformism, with few
exceptions. To get the job, one must have important "sources", meaning government spokesmen who
are willing to tell you what "the story" is, often without being identified. Once they know
what "the story" is, competition sets in: competition as to how to tell it. That leads to an
escalation of rhetoric, variations on the theme: "The President has betrayed our great country
to the Russian enemy. Treason!"
This demented chorus on "Russian hacking" prevented mainstream media from even doing their
job. Not even mentioning, much less analyzing, any of the real issues at the summit. To find
analysis, one must go on line, away from the official fake news to independent reporting. For
example, "the Moon of Alabama" site offers
an intelligent interpretation of the Trump strategy , which sounds infinitely more
plausible than "the story". In short, Trump is trying to woo Russia away from China, in a
reverse version of Kissinger's strategy forty years ago to woo China away from Russia, thus
avoiding a continental alliance against the United States. This may not work because the United
States has proven so untrustworthy that the cautious Russians are highly unlikely to abandon
their alliance with China for shadows. But it makes perfect sense as an explanation of Trump's
policy, unlike the caterwauling we've been hearing from Senators and talking heads on CNN.
Those people seem to have no idea of what diplomacy is about. They cannot conceive of
agreements that would be beneficial to both sides. No, it's got to be a zero sum game, winner
take all. If they win, we lose, and vice versa.
They also have no idea of the harm to both sides if they do not agree. They have no project,
no strategy. Just hate Trump.
He seems totally isolated, and every morning I look at the news to see if he has been
assassinated yet.
It is unimaginable for our Manichean moralists that Putin might also be under fire at home
for failing to chide the American president for U.S. violations of human rights in Guantanamo,
murderous drone strikes against defenseless citizens throughout the Middle East, the
destruction of Libya in violation of the UN mandate, interference in the elections of countless
countries by government-financed "non-governmental organizations" (the National Endowment of
Democracy), worldwide electronic spying, invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the
world's greatest prison population and regular massacres of school children. But the diplomatic
Russians know how to be polite.
Still, if Trump actually makes a "deal", there may be losers – neither the U.S. nor
Russia but third parties. When two great powers reach agreement, it is often at somebody else's
expense. The West Europeans are afraid it will be them, but such fears are groundless. All
Putin wants is normal relations with the West, which is not much to ask.
Rather, candidate number one for paying the price are the Palestinians, or even Iran, in
marginal ways. At the press conference, asked about possible areas of cooperation between the
two nuclear powers, Trump suggested that the two could agree on helping Israel:
"We both spoke with Bibi Netanyahu. They would like to do certain things with respect to
Syria, having to do with the safety of Israel. In that respect, we absolutely would like to
work in order to help Israel. Israel will be working with us. So both countries would work
jointly."
In political terms, Trump knows where political power lies, and is counting on the influence
of the pro-Israel lobby, which recognizes the defeat in Syria and the rising influence of
Russia, to save him from the liberal imperialists – a daring bet, but he does not have
much choice.
On another subject, Trump said that "our militaries" get along with the Russians "better
than our politicians". This is another daring bet, on military realism that could somehow
neutralize military industrial congressional complex lobbying for more and more weapons.
In short, the only chance to end the nuclear war threat may depend on support for Trump from
Israel and the Pentagon!
The hysterical neoliberal globalists seem to have ruled out any other possibility –
and perhaps this one too.
"Constructive dialogue between the United States and Russia forwards the opportunity to open
new pathways toward peace and stability in our world" Trump declared "I would rather take a
political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics."
That is more than his political enemies can claim.
This is a frightening, accurate commentary on what we face as a result of an unaccountable
power structure resorting to any and all means to retain power which, if this structure
continues to exercise it, will lead to our extinction.
In the establishment, it's not dementia as such, it's just serving the highest bidder. You
can accuse only the elites of dementia: they forgot that to enjoy the fruits of your thievery
you have to be alive. If only they die, it would be a great service to the humanity.
Unfortunately, the way things go, they might take us all with them.
This mass hysteria over a country hostile to both democracy and gay rights (it's hard to
tell which one is worse) has been seen in the west before. It's very reminiscent of the lead-up to Iraq war in 2003. I mean what's next? Are they
gonna accuse Russia of having WMD's too?
They are pretty good at providing false evidence of WMD's, I wouldn't be surprised if they
stage another presentation of evidence of Russian WMD's at UN, complete with satellite images
of mobile trucks equipped with Uranium enrichment technology and all that.
That Nikki Halley can be quite persuasive, you know. I just hope that the world doesn't
buy that BS again. Russia having WMD's? That's preposterous. They tricked us the last time, I
hope that the people have learned their lesson – not to trust them anymore.
Thank you, this is an excellent summary of the situation right now. It's worth noting too
just how disconnected the establishment is from the wider public. They have enormous
financial resources and access to the entire legacy media but seem to have almost no real
base of support. Remember how the Never Trumpers had no one more prominent and well-known
than Evan McMullan (!!) to run as their candidate? Note too the tiny number of views the
YouTube videos of the Aspen Institute get: https://www.youtube.com/user/AspenInstitute/videos
.
On its own, these things aren't conclusive proof but together they add up. The Aspen
Institute crowd is an almost entirely self-contained subculture. They seem to have no base of
support, beyond their stacks of money, job titles and the power that come with the various
offices they hold. That's probably why they can never stop calling their opponents
"populists" or why Bill Kristol keeps tweeting about encountering scrappy shoeshine boys who
shout "give Trump hell, Mr Kristol!" as he goes about his urban peregrinations.
Diana Johnstone is not alone. Others on the alt-Left are starting to wake up, too. This is
Joaquín Flores:
People are seeing through dishonesty, and the old language traps are used up and done
for. If reconquista is the goal, then we need to have an honest conversation about that. If
there's a Latino nation with self determination in the south-west US, or rights 'back' to
the south-west US, then let's speak of it in such terms. Because then we'd be looking at a
Euro-American nation also. Now of course there's issues of interpenetrated peoples, and
identities we carry in our minds in diverse urban centers. But the point here is that we
have to have an honest discourse, and stop hiding reconquista sentiments under the rubric
of 'human rights'. Because European-Americans don't have right of return to Europe, so the
left is promoting what will ultimately be a race war, full scale, if they don't chill the
fuck out and back off this disingenuous approach to policy-wonkism on immigration.
The paradigmatic question today is, how is wealth made, and where does wealth come from?
What is the balance of trade and debts, and how is that is no longer manageable? The US
empire and NATO is no longer manageable. Trump is unwinding NATO. That can't be a bad
thing.
I hear you, and I sympathize, but this is not mass dementia. The oligarchy that runs the United States was worried that Donald Trump might actually
(!!) take some consideration for the national interest of the people of the United States of
America. That will never do.
This is not irrational. The screaming, the hysteria, this is the utterly rational,
breathtakingly brutal reaction of a ruling elite that has the moral sense of a reptile. And
it's working. All of Trump's campaign promises to stop wasting trillions on pointless winless
foreign wars of choice, and instead spend that on our own country? Gone. And so much else
besides.
It's dangerous to underestimate an enemy. The useful idiot footsoldiers, screaming in
mindless herd instinct, are one thing. The people behind them – the Koch brothers, Jeff
Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, others – there is nothing at all mindless or demented about
them.
In my view, at the moment the deed is done. The president signed onto the report
acknowledged the he accepts the report has even gone as far to say, he blames Pres. Putin
Another backtrack, just muddies the waters, and mat be acceptable because no one wants to
accept the real consequences of a president who has repudiated the one state president he
most desired to make a deal with -- the jig is up.
Whether kabuki theater or real gamesmanship –
A threshold has been crossed and uncrossing it is going to be tricky and in my further
humiliation for the wh. The analysis here mattered before the president agreed with the
report. But when he did, this analysis, becomes moot. Having a chit chat about de-escalating
nuclear tensions is quaint in light of the president acknowledging that russia has in fact
undermined the US democratic process. This is a serious charge and no amount of changing the
subject, crying foul, or pretending it was all a big misunderstanding is going to change
that.
I think it would have been prudent for the president to hold fire in Helsinki and read the
report and then responded . He did make any of those choices. It matters not how exposed the
establishment in wanton eagerness to have their way, wh has embraced the matter. it is on
record and . . . oh well. I see merit in maintaining his original position of disbelief --
however, the president did a complete about face -- and there is no question of that or the
implications.
Hillary lost the election when she could not walk. she lost a shoe, she was shown in the
van, and shoe was thrown after her. And that was arranged by Russians.
Having a title "Mass Dementia in the Western Establishment" and approaching this effort as
"mass insanity","demented chorus" etc. is simply delusional. They know exactly what they are doing and, it appears, they are doing it well.
The are able to create their own reality.
What puzzles me a bit isn't "them" or their servants (media etc.).
It's people in general. They appear to be buying that manufactured reality with ease. In this
era of instant communications it's .sobering.
This constant shitting on "them" and their servants is fine and dandy but feels as just a
feel good exercise.
Perhaps some effort could be spared in trying to analyze and explain common people approach
to all this. The buying, hook and sinker, that manufacture.
Anyone with an average intelligence can, in two hours trawling of Internet, get how false
all that is. And, yet, here we are.
The same people who can spend hours on social media, shopping and entertainment online can't,
for SOME reason, figure all that out.
Easy to blame "them" and media/academia/whatever.
Maybe it's time to start passing a bit of blame to people in general.
In my opinion, no dementia.
Too many careers and institutions are built on continuing hostility towards Russia.
First ECB President Duisenberg's ph d thesis had as title 'The economic consequences of
peace', something like that, his conclusion was that demilitarisation was possible
economically, when controlled sensibly.
Did anyone read 'The Iron Mountain Report', I never quite knew what to make of it, but it
also is about if demilitarisation is possible.
Barbara Hinckley Sheldon Goldman, American Politics and Government, Glenview Ill.,1990
describes how the USA weapons industry skillfully prevents that spending on useless weapons
deminishes.
The history of the later Roman empire, the army in control.
The Russians are by nature cautious. They are a conglomerate of individuals, many of whom
remember times when they would be sent by communist tyrants to a gulag for Wrongthink. Of
course they're cautious.
How Hillary Clinton could even run for presidency after the murder of Moammer Gaddafi and
Libya destruction, in any decent civilisation and society.
That's planetary shame and the most important question, not DNC hack or anything else, which
just trace in wrong direction.
So, Trump should grow some balls and arrest not just her but Barack Obama as well on the
same charges, as war criminals as they are, and prove that he really deserves to be
trusted.
And sacrifice himself in the process if needed as that would do any honest true US president,
and he knew what to expect from such position from the start.
It's not TV reality show, as still it is.
All he cares about is his ego and popularity, and he is loosing both.
Israel lobby finally see that they put their money in the wrong bank.
I intend to believe more that West, namely USA and UK the most, keeps them more hostage in
uncertainty for decades than in some Jewish conspiracy.
Also, I also believe that only Russia can guaranty Israel security and peace in the
region.
In political terms, Trump knows where political power lies, and is counting on the
influence of the pro-Israel lobby, which recognizes the defeat in Syria and the rising
influence of Russia, to save him from the liberal imperialists – a daring bet, but he
does not have much choice.
Saudi Arabia spent 40 billion dollars helping Saddam's Iraq in its war against Iran, the
cost of US efforts in the Syria civil war have largely been met by the Saudis. The coming
attack on Iran will be as much to please the Saudis as to lock Israel into West Bank Arab
expulsion mode. The Israel Lobby will is not pushing Donald Trump, they are playing catch up
with him. Trump has already shown with the Jerusalem recognition that he is encouraging
Israel in unilateral courses of action.
No, I agree with the assessment in this article and its title: the establishment is
dangerously detached from reality right now. Our stagnant and locked-down political culture
in the West allowed the "elite" to develop a false sense of security and and certainty. They
thought they had things pretty much figured out a few years ago but now they're genuinely
panicked.
Looking to this circus from Russia, to those insane speaches, insulting caricatures in
MSM, I understand the huge amount of rotteness of Western society, mainly its high top part,
but not only. Even here in comments (not in this particularly article) the percentage of
trolls and brainwashed idiots exceeds all I could've imagined. So I stopped writing here
– no sense, I believe that something can change only after the dramatic changes in
US/West society and that is possible only after a big war/revolution.
So, I'm afraid our future is vague
I think you are right. Over the last four years I have been amazed again and again at how
broken the political culture of the West has become. It's only outsiders and newcomers to
politics who give me hope. I'm thinking of people like Trump or the new governments in Italy
and Austria.
Anyone with an average intelligence can, in two hours trawling of Internet, get how
false all that is. And, yet, here we are.
The same people who can spend hours on social media, shopping and entertainment online
can't, for SOME reason, figure all that out.
Easy to blame "them" and media/academia/whatever.
Maybe it's time to start passing a bit of blame to people in general. Not holding my breath.
I fully agree with this sentiment. The only reason the evil bastards who control our
society can get away with their treachery is because most of the American people are out to
lunch on the most important issues of our time. If the sheeple were to take responsibility to
inform themselves of what is happening today they would be able to see the lies they are
being constantly exposed to as just that–lies. And then, they could put down the beer
and turn off the damn sports channel and get angry at what has happened to their country.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for ignorant people to remain
ignorant.
Maybe it's time to start passing a bit of blame to people in general
Ma-a-ate! Let me give you a quick refresher on "1984:"
1st, the inner party – that's my ccc @ 25.
2nd, the outer party – that's Ike's MI-complex, which I expand to:
The US rogue regime = US-M/I/C/4a†-plex, with dog-wagging-tail, its illegitimate
sprog the Zionist/Israeli rogue regime + Js = I/J/Z-plex, all components rife with
corruption.
a = academic = econ, psy, leg et al.; 4 = MSM+PFBCs, † = churches
add a few significant stragglers like $ = banksters & ¿ = spies
We can add the -plexes to their main 'allied criminal regimes' and get FUKUSIL.
3rd, the proles in the book are the proles in real life.
4th, 'hate sessions' are mediated by the US/Z-MMH = corrupt&venal Media (aka press,
radio + TV, incl. PFBCs = publicly financed broadcasters), Madison Ave., Hollywood etc..
5th, as well as "All politicians lie!" [thanks, but "No, thanks!" to JWHoward], most
politicians are a) ccc-puppets and b) traitors to us, we the people and our countries.
Fazit: Even if most proles really were switched-on = fully and fairly informed, their
votes would still mean nothing since there is a disconnect [my 5th.] Unless you are thinking
'pitch-forks and tumbrels,' there's nothing effective that we, the people can do.
"1984″ is pretty-well exactly our reality, and here is a bit of proof:
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the
masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who *manipulate* this unseen
mechanism of society *constitute an invisible government* which is the true ruling power of
our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested,
largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our
democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner
if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society.
There is a lie in there, surrounding "must cooperate" – it's simply not true –
but worse, worst: " an invisible government ." The latter is what is termed 'deep
state' tyranny; the foul, un-elected and criminal puppet-string manipulators (part of the
1%) – again, the ccc.
The lie-cloud they choke the sheople's minds with is deliberately 'spiced' with
scientifically designed psychological propaganda, and that's what does the majority of
dumbing-down damage.
Ta ra! The Bernays haze. Choke on that.
PS Q: Is there any hope at all? A: Apart from hope being hopeless policy, there *could* be
a solution, whereby a big enough proportion of the 1%, a decent portion [should such a thing
exist] could call a halt to the ccc and its murder-most-foul depredations.
Yup. Furthermore, CIA is organized crime and organized crime is CIA. CIA recruits and runs
agents in favored criminal syndicates in every illicit trade: drugs, child sexual
trafficking, arms, fraud, bustouts, extortion, money laundering. Their purpose is not to
interdict the trade but to control it. CIA manages transnational organized crime to top up
their budget for unauthorized clandestine operations, like killing JFK. CIA protects its
criminal proteges with their chartered impunity. They call off law enforcement with the magic
words national security or 'sources and methods.' If the plan gets exposed, CIA's criminal
cutouts insulate the agency from exposure.
RFK knew how it works. RFK junior explained the reason for RFK's focus on organized-crime
until CIA whacked him. That's why his book was made to sink without a ripple.
Evenfurthermore, CIA is the government and the government is CIA. Decades ago Fletcher
Prouty showed that CIA's deepest-cover illegal moles are embedded in our own government.
Every agency with repressive capacity is infiltrated with focal points, who report to CIA
handlers without the other agency's knowledge.
Of course Israel is trying to infiltrate it -- they understand the levers of power.
Assange has got some mighty stinkers in his insurance file. All we can do is hope they're
enough to destabilize the CIA Reich that has ruled America since 1949.
This screaming comes not only from the US mainstream, but also from that European elite
which has been housebroken for seventy years as obedient poodles, dachshunds or corgis in
the American menagerie, via intense vetting by US trans-Atlantic "cooperation"
associations.
Don't know if the Cabal controls the Homeland but it certainly seems to exert a great deal
of its influence and it also becomes apparent that the Crowd has a long history with the
Russians as well thus given that, the whole thing appears to be a three ring circus created
to avoid being, in all honesty, noticed by the dumbed down bozos who are shouting loudest in
the bleachers in time it won't amount to a bag of beans!
I wonder, were her "speaking fees" from AIPAC and Saudis also arranged by the Russians?
Those pesky Russians are everywhere, like Christian God. Did you check under your bed
lately?
I think you are mistaken trying to rationalize the behavior of the political class and
their puppet masters. I believe the real driver are not antidepressants, but an obscene
greed, which is so blinding that it made MIC profiteers forget that to enjoy the fruits of
their thievery they have to be alive.
Thank you, Michael, for your very interesting perspective. Considering all the factors, it
appears most likely that Trump's apparent groveling was simply the deference an
underdeveloped country like the US owes to a strategically-invulnerable great power with
superior governance.
Trump probably concluded that he and America have much to learn from Russia's
categorically superior human rights performance in all the most comprehensive categories,
especially in comparison with US bad-faith evasion of a disgracefully derelict subset of
the core conventions, and failures prompting multiple urgent follow-on inquiries:
The summit was a mission civilizatrice for Russia. Trump doubtless knows that the whole
world has seen the facts exhaustively documented above by preeminent human rights experts and
independent civil society organizations. A bit of humility on Trump's part might help to
restore lost US world standing.
Which of the treaty bodies' conclusions and recommendation do you think would do most to
mitigate the international disgrace of the USA?
The psychology of the mass of Americans with it's self-righteousness and self-centerdness
is really amazing. Just in the last seventeen years the US has invaded or otherwise attacked
numerous countries and has caused millions of people to die, become miserable refugees,
become orphans and all other manner of evil. Not least of all has been it's creation and
patronage of ISIS, one of the most heinous groups in history. Yet Americans have this massive
blind spot to the war criminality of all this that their country has committed against the
peace of the world. Instead they're being stampeded into some irrational Russia-phobia. It's
the US that's been on the march everywhere, labeling those countries that resist it's
aggression as being aggressors for being willing to defend themselves. It's all
upside-down.
(BTW, is this scenario really so far-fetched? After all, Russia did nothing but complain
to the UN when the US angels of death destroyed both Iraq and Libya. Could not the same
fate soon await Iran?)
You're omitting Syria. It should be pretty obvious that the Russians and the Chinese
aren't going to sit back and allow Uncle Scam to destroy Iran when they wouldn't allow it to
happen to a much less important country like Syria.
TDS is a convenient shorthand for this form of disconnect from reality. That said it is
absolutely fascinating to see and puzzle over this geopolitical tectonic event. The old
narrative is crumbling, with the result that people like Lauri are fighting desperately to
preserve their "sanity", dependent as it is on their tribal submission to the old order and
its old narrative (its timeworn lies).
"Science advances one funeral at a time."
Max Planck
By which he means that people persist in believing in those "truths" (their belief system)
they have held for a lifetime. Only when they die out will a new, revised belief system
replaced the old. The same in geopolitics as in science.
Assad still is there.
The USA was unable to remove Assad, how would they destroy Iran ?
The USA has no idea of what Iran built deep in the rocks.
Trump screaming in capitals on Twitter against Iran, sign of weakness, in my opinion.
American dementia is not new. It is current but after the false flags of almost all of our
(US) wars going back as far as the Barbary Pirates, Americans have thrived on being the good
guys in an evil world. We are SO GOOD, and the world thinks we are perfect and want to be
part of US so much, that any other thought is treasonous.
The fact that getting along with Russia is necessary to NOT create armageddon, is
irrelevant to the typical citizen because no matter how wrong, we are blessed and perfect in
the eyes of the gawd we pretend to believe in.
Now, now, don't underestimate the Donald! The man has razor sharp brains, is an
accomplished mover/rouser of people, and I imagine has oodles of strategic abilities. Look at
the facts, hard facts, not at perceptions. No man made tons of legitimate, legal money
without possessing some qualities of genius. Never in US history has an outsider come in,
overturned the political establishment, taken on the whole pack of media-hyenas, won the
election capitalising on the weakness of all his opponents, then tried to do what he said he
would do. Who could have imagined that seemingly simple-minded tweets, in simple vocabulary,
would be used to beat down the collective might of the massed media? His tweets scored over
their collective shrieks and howls! The power of simplicity, no?
This guy is complex, clever,
and a very astute strategist. He puts on the rude, crude and buffoonish show to get peoples'
attention – and he did get that, did he not? That is called strategy and real
smarts.
UWell, we here in Russia know all this (about Browder) for quite a time. What new did you
find? It's just one story in long list of those written and spoken for western idiots like
Scripals, MH17, chemicals in Syria and WMD in Iraq, Russian meddling in f-n US elections and so on.
Eat it all dummies.
"... The idea is Israeli, the operational plans are British, weapons and vessels are American, and a possibility for confrontation grows stronger each day. ..."
"... And with the legal noose around Trump's neck, he will be more than willing to play along for just one more breath (which is all they'll really need him for). ..."
As a new military confrontation over Syria is impending, thought out by Israel, prepared by
the British and executed by the US, the West's future depends greatly upon two mavericks, the
US President Donald Trump and the UK Opposition Leader Jeremy Corbyn. These two men are as
different as you can make. One is for capitalism, another one is a socialist, but both are
considered soft on Russia, at least they do not foam at the mouth hearing Putin's name. Both
are enemies of Wall Street and the City, both stand against the Deep State, against NATO, both
are enemies of globalism and of world government. One is a friend of Israel, another is a
friend of Palestine, but both are charged with racism and anti-Semitism.
It is a quaint peculiarity of our time, that anti-Semitism is considered the great and
unforgivable sin, trading places with Christ Denial. Negative attitude to Christ-denying Jews
had been de rigueur at its time, and the Church, or its Tribunal, the Inquisition, had tried
the charged. Nowadays, the heavily Zionists MSM is the accuser, the judge and jury, considering
anti-Zionists attitude as a worst sort of racism. The two leaders aren't guilty as charged, but
the MSM court dispenses no acquittals.
Racism is indeed an ugly trend (though greed is worse), and hatred of Jews qua Jews is not
nice, either. (You wouldn't expect a different answer from the son of Jew parents, would you?)
Jews are entertaining, clever, cunning, sentimental and adventurous folk, able to do things.
They can be good, that's why the Church wants to bring them to Christ. If they were inherently
bad, why bother with their souls? Are Jews greedy? Everyone would sell his grandma for a
fistful of dollars, but only a Jew would actually deliver, say Jews. Jews tend to preach and
claim high moral ground, but that is a tradition of the Nation of Priests. However,
universalism and non-racism is not their strong point, and it is amazing that they appointed
themselves the judges on racism.
... ... ...
In the British establishment, pro-Zionists forces decided to side with the Washington War
Party to push us close to war. The recent visit of the British Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt
(the man on the
shortlist of Israel's agents within the British establishment) to Washington where Hunt
delivered a speech calling for full-out war on Russia, "has been read as an intervention on the
side of the anti-Russian faction in the split and divided US administration", said the
Guardian .
The speech is just an opening, missiles will follow soon. Today, I was informed by my
contacts, the Russians have delivered a demarche to the State Department, warning the Americans
to desist from their plans to attack Syria. Russian intelligence learned that eight tanks
containing chlorine have been delivered to Halluz village of Idlib province where the group of
specially trained militants has already been deployed in order to simulate the rescue of the
victims of chemical attack. The militants were trained by the British private military company
Olive (which had merged with the American Constellis Group.
The operation, the Russians say, had been planned by the British intelligence services to
justify an impending airstrike directed against Syrian military and civil infrastructure. For
this strike, USS The Sullivans guided missile destroyer with 56 cruise missiles onboard arrived
to the Persian Gulf, and the US Air Force bomber B-1B with 24 cruise Air-to-Surface Missiles
had been flown to the Al-Udeid air base in Qatar.
The idea is Israeli, the operational plans are British, weapons and vessels are
American, and a possibility for confrontation grows stronger each day. The success of
Corbyn would put a stop to these plans of war. But will he have a chance?
Trump and Corbyn are coming to the point from different sides. They are fighting a
strong and well-entrenched adversary. Both are tired, both are full of imperfections, but
they offer us a chance to save our beautiful world from destruction.
Should I laugh or cry at Trump saving us from another ... Israel inspired war?
NO ONE has ever been more Jew mobbed up than Trump is. In case no one has noticed what
Trump is actually doing -- –The Jew neocon crew that gave us Iraq is back and
going after Iran.
Here is his latest: .I believe this is 6th one I have identified on here as Fifth Column
Zionists Trump has put in sensitive positions.
Trump names Zionists security expert to senior intelligence post | The
3 days ago – Appointment of Samantha Ravich comes after president taps Trump names
Zionists security expert to senior intelligence post .
WASHINGTON -- US President Donald Trump chose as the deputy chairwoman of the intelligence
advisory board a Zionists national security expert who is well known in the pro-Israel
national security community. Ravich, a former deputy national security adviser to
vice president Dick Cheney, is a senior adviser to the Foundation for Defense of
Democracies, an influential hawkish pro-Israel think tank. She is also a senior adviser
to the Chertoff Group, founded by Michael Chertoff, a homeland security secretary in the
George W. Bush administration, and has worked with the Washington Institute for Near East
Policy. One of her specialties is combating extremists.
Ravick has also worked with the pro-Israel community helping to raise money for Israel
Bonds .
Ravich does not require confirmation.
Also Tuesday, Jeffrey Gunter, a dermatologist from Los Angeles, was nominated as the
ambassador to Iceland. Gunter, a board member of the Republican Zionists Coalition, must be
confirmed by the U.S. Senate
ICELAND REALLY NEEDS A Zionists DERMATOLOGIST AMBASSADOR
Ravich also worked with Douglas Feith, PaulWolfowitz and Richard Perle in drumming up the
war on Iraq
They worked on creating "wiring diagrams" showing relationships among terror groups. For
example, they concluded
"Iraq trains Palestinian terrorists associated with PFLP, PIJ, Hamas, ANO, PLF, Ansar
al-Islam which has direct ties to al-Qaeda[5]"
Samantha Ravich, studied the charts and reported back to Scooter Libby. Wolfowitz
personally
At Aspen Ravick showed her hand in advancing a anti Russia policy to get Russia to stop
supporting Iran, her suggestion is to basically undermine Russia economically and financially
in order to make them kow tow to the US.
Wow, quite a revelation Saker putting the pieces of this puzzle together!
And with the legal noose around Trump's neck, he will be more than willing to play along
for just one more breath (which is all they'll really need him for).
Cook points out that by conceding ground, Corbyn betrayed Palestinians and betrayed
anti-Zionist Jews who were expelled by droves from Labour. Even Tony Greenstein, a Zionists
nationalist though anti-Zionist, had been expelled; the same Tony Greenstein who attacked
me and Gilad Atzmon for our anti-Semitism (I responded to him here). He was also sent home
packing. The late Hajo Meyer, a Holocaust survivor and defender of Palestinian rights, a
personal friend of Corbyn, had been denounced. Palestinians were betrayed, and we should
care about them more than about Zionists fine feelings.
Very sad -- Corbyn caving in and sacking anti-Zionists including anti-Zionist Jews from
his party. Horrible if he's betrayed the Palestinians. Maybe not aggressive enough. Is he a
leader?
Anyway, British voters, please show your support for him.
"... further signs of the usa coming apart at the seams and getting closer to some type of war.. ..."
"... the msm only holds trumps feet to the fire domestically to let him know that if he strays from supporting the financial/military complex, he is toast.. they never do it when he is carrying water for this same complex... ..."
"... i think it is hard to hold out any hope for trump being different then the ongoing succession of presidents.. that are all serving the plutocracy at this point, and trump is no exception... the only difference is we are getting closer to the wheels coming off the usa here.. ..."
thanks b.. further signs of the usa coming apart at the seams and
getting closer to some type of war.. it seems like a reckless ride
from here on in..
there is no way anyone in their right mind would enter into an agreement
with the usa.. and even when they do, as in the examples of north korea
here, or iran recently - the usa backs out of them!! that is not the kind
of dance partner anyone would want to tango with..
the msm only holds trumps feet to the fire domestically to let him
know that if he strays from supporting the financial/military complex, he
is toast.. they never do it when he is carrying water for this same complex...
it is hard to tell the difference between trump and the hawks in his
present gov't especially in light of his tweets.. maybe someone hacked his
twitter account, but i doubt it.. those are his tweets, not bolton or pompeo's..
i think it is hard to hold out any hope for trump being different
then the ongoing succession of presidents.. that are all serving the plutocracy
at this point, and trump is no exception... the only difference is we are
getting closer to the wheels coming off the usa here..
"... The Montana connection was unexpectedly brought to mind during the exhibition because of a passing curatorial note about Hollywood's involvement in the war effort: "Some in US Congress believed film propaganda to be a threat to democracy. In 1941, Senator Burton K. Wheeler wrote to Paramount News that 'the motion picture industry is carrying on a violent propaganda campaign intending to incite the American people [to war] '" ..."
"... Military actions are kept just small enough to stay within the limits of a volunteer force, so conscription need not be justified in the public eye. Social pressures and secular pieties now drive recycling and self-rationing in the service of climate change and veganism. In short, governments today don't perceive a need to mobilize broad public support before waging war. They just do it. ..."
"... runs through October 7 at the de Young Museum in San Francisco. ..."
A certain amount of dehumanizing of the enemy is a natural part of any war effort, but
Allied propaganda against the Germans in World War I is particularly striking in its crudity
and ferocity, especially since one would have a hard time finding Americans today capable of
explaining, even in the broadest of terms, exactly what our country was doing in that war. One
of the more visually arresting World War I posters in the exhibition portrays a slumbering,
rosy-cheeked, and classically-garbed female personification of America. "Wake Up, America!" the
poster admonishes. "Civilization Calls Every Man, Woman, and Child!" No arguing with that.
Against such a backdrop some stories from that time come into focus. One involves Hermann
Bausch, a Montana farmer who was dragged from his home and nearly lynched in 1918 when
neighbors surrounded his house and demanded that he buy Liberty Bonds to prove his loyalty to
the United States. He survived the day but only because he ended up in the state penitentiary
for sedition.
The Montana connection was unexpectedly brought to mind during the exhibition
because of a passing curatorial note about Hollywood's involvement in the war effort: "Some in
US Congress believed film propaganda to be a threat to democracy. In 1941, Senator Burton K.
Wheeler wrote to Paramount News that 'the motion picture industry is carrying on a violent
propaganda campaign intending to incite the American people [to war] '"
Although not identified as such, Wheeler was a Montanan who first became famous as a U.S.
attorney in Butte who refused to indict anyone under the national Sedition Act during World War
I. He later became a four-term U.S. senator and steadfast opponent of American involvement in
World War II until Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. But it's noteworthy that Montana produced
strong antiwar leaders such as Wheeler and Jeanette Rankin (the only member of Congress to vote
against entering both world wars) while also being a hotbed of patriotic war fervor. Such
skepticism about foreign conflicts, mixed with patriotic support for the troops, is
characteristic even today of much of Middle America.
At such an exhibition, one expects to see some links with contemporary America, in which the
drums of war are always within earshot. But there are substantial differences. With limitless
federal borrowing, the government no longer needs to hawk Liberty Bonds to finance foreign
adventurism.
Military actions are kept just small enough to stay within the limits of a
volunteer force, so conscription need not be justified in the public eye. Social pressures and
secular pieties now drive recycling and self-rationing in the service of climate change and
veganism. In short, governments today don't perceive a need to mobilize broad public support
before waging war. They just do it.
Cohen / Manafort mess creates a whole other level of problems for the current
Administration. So Mueller got Trump in an old fashioned way by digging the
personal and business related dirt and going after people who were close to
Trump. This is how prosecutors approach mafia cases ;-)
Notable quotes:
"... Cohen claims he and Trump thus conspired to violate federal law. But paying girlfriends to keep past indiscretions private is neither a crime nor a campaign violation. And Trump could legally contribute as much as he wished to his own campaign for president. ..."
"... Hence the high-fives among never-Trumpers are premature. ..."
"... But if Cohen's guilty plea and Tuesday's conviction of campaign manager Paul Manafort do not imperil Trump today, what they portend is ominous. For Cohen handled Trump's dealings for more than a decade and has pledged full cooperation with prosecutors from both the Southern District of New York and the Robert Mueller investigation. ..."
"... Also, Manafort, now a convicted felon facing life in prison, has the most compelling of motives to "flip" and reveal anything that could be useful to Mueller and harmful to Trump. Then there is the Mueller probe itself. ..."
"... Twenty-six months after the Watergate break-in, President Nixon had resigned. Twenty-six months after the hacking of the DNC and John Podesta emails, Mueller has yet to deliver hard evidence the Trump campaign colluded with Putin's Russia, though this was his mandate. ..."
"... However, having, for a year now, been marching White House aides and campaign associates of Trump before a grand jury, Mueller has to be holding more cards than he is showing. And even if they do not directly implicate the president, more indictments may be coming down. ..."
"... And as this Congress has only weeks left before the 2018 elections, it will be the new House that meets in January, which may well be Democratic, that will receive Mueller's report. ..."
"... Trump is not going to resign. To do so would open him up to grand jury subpoenas, federal charges and civil suits for the rest of his life. To resign would be to give up his sword and shield, and all of his immunity. He would be crazy to leave himself naked to his enemies. ..."
"... No, given his belief that he is under attack by people who hate him and believe he is an illegitimate president, and seek to bring him down, he will use all the powers of the presidency in his fight for survival. And as he has shown, these powers are considerable: the power to rally his emotional following, to challenge courts, to fire Justice officials and FBI executives, to pull security clearances, to pardon the convicted. ..."
"... if Democrats capture the House, then they will be the ones under intolerable pressure from their own media auxiliaries to pursue impeachment. ..."
"... Instead, he's embarked on a massively ambitious nation-building project in northeast Syria and is otherwise scouring the globe for new wars to start, while mostly catering to his rich friends at home. And Israel, Israel, Israel all the time. ..."
"... What has he done that's actually useful? Ditching TTIP? OK let's grant him that one. Meeting Kim? Mayyybe, but at the same time he chose to appoint Bolton and Pompeo who are predictably sabotaging the Singapore understanding. Meanwhile, American finances are going off the cliff at an ever-accelerating pace. ..."
"... All of which is the perfect mirror image of an equally true statement: if Obama hadn't been such a lousy president (which his supporters are in denial about), a known charlatan like Trump would've never had a shot at the office. ..."
"If anyone is looking for a good lawyer," said President Donald Trump ruefully, "I would
strongly suggest that you don't retain the services of Michael Cohen." Michael Cohen is no Roy
Cohn.
Tuesday, Trump's ex-lawyer, staring at five years in prison, pled guilty to a campaign
violation that may not even be a crime. Cohen had fronted the cash, $130,000, to pay porn star
Stormy Daniels for keeping quiet about a decade-old tryst with Trump. He had also brokered a
deal whereby the National Enquirer bought the rights to a story about a Trump affair with a
Playboy model, to kill it.
Cohen claims he and Trump thus conspired to violate federal law. But paying girlfriends
to keep past indiscretions private is neither a crime nor a campaign violation. And Trump could
legally contribute as much as he wished to his own campaign for president.
Would a Democratic House, assuming we get one, really impeach a president for paying hush
money to old girlfriends?
Hence the high-fives among never-Trumpers are premature.
But if Cohen's guilty plea and Tuesday's conviction of campaign manager Paul Manafort do
not imperil Trump today, what they portend is ominous. For Cohen handled Trump's dealings for
more than a decade and has pledged full cooperation with prosecutors from both the Southern
District of New York and the Robert Mueller investigation.
Nothing that comes of this collaboration will be helpful to Trump.
Also, Manafort, now a convicted felon facing life in prison, has the most compelling of
motives to "flip" and reveal anything that could be useful to Mueller and harmful to Trump.
Then there is the Mueller probe itself.
Twenty-six months after the Watergate break-in, President Nixon had resigned. Twenty-six
months after the hacking of the DNC and John Podesta emails, Mueller has yet to deliver hard
evidence the Trump campaign colluded with Putin's Russia, though this was his mandate.
However, having, for a year now, been marching White House aides and campaign associates
of Trump before a grand jury, Mueller has to be holding more cards than he is showing. And even
if they do not directly implicate the president, more indictments may be coming down.
Mueller may not have the power to haul the president before a grand jury or indict him.
After all, it is Parliament that deposes and beheads the king, not the sheriff of Nottingham.
But Mueller will file a report with the Department of Justice that will be sent to the
House.
And as this Congress has only weeks left before the 2018 elections, it will be the new
House that meets in January, which may well be Democratic, that will receive Mueller's
report.
Still, as of now, it is hard to see how two-thirds of a new Senate would convict this
president of high crimes and misdemeanors.
Thus we are in for a hellish year.
Trump is not going to resign. To do so would open him up to grand jury subpoenas,
federal charges and civil suits for the rest of his life. To resign would be to give up his
sword and shield, and all of his immunity. He would be crazy to leave himself naked to his
enemies.
No, given his belief that he is under attack by people who hate him and believe he is an
illegitimate president, and seek to bring him down, he will use all the powers of the
presidency in his fight for survival. And as he has shown, these powers are considerable: the
power to rally his emotional following, to challenge courts, to fire Justice officials and FBI
executives, to pull security clearances, to pardon the convicted.
Democrats who have grown giddy about taking the House should consider what a campaign to
bring down a president, who is supported by a huge swath of the nation and has fighting allies
in the press, would be like.
Why do it? Especially if they knew in advance the Senate would not convict.
That America has no desire for a political struggle to the death over impeachment is
evident. Recognition of this reality is why the Democratic Party is assuring America that
impeachment is not what they have in mind.
Today, it is Republicans leaders who are under pressure to break with Trump, denounce him,
and call for new investigations into alleged collusion with the Russians. But if Democrats
capture the House, then they will be the ones under intolerable pressure from their own media
auxiliaries to pursue impeachment.
Taking the House would put newly elected Democrats under fire from the right for forming a
lynch mob, and from the mainstream media for not doing their duty and moving immediately to
impeach Trump.
Democrats have been laboring for two years to win back the House. But if they discover that
the first duty demanded of them
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The
Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever. "
President Pence would do little to undo the political polarization that America has
experienced over the past two decades since his voting record suggests that he leans rather
heavily to the right side of the political spectrum.
Maybe this is payback for the other impeachment attempt 20 years ago. Perhaps some dems
have been waiting two decades for vengeance. Whatever Clinton's faults, the GOP should not
have opened that can of worms back then.
Either the Republicans come out ahead in which case the left will say it was because of
"Russian" interference and the election results are thus illegitimate. Or the Democrats will
and they will not only be under pressure to impeach Trump but also to punish the deplorables
who voted for him.
Well, this would constitute a real civil war. All because Obama and Hillary failed at
rigging an election and failed at launching a coup. Good Times. Keep your powder dry.
Well, this would constitute a real civil war. All because Obama and Hillary failed at
rigging an election and failed at launching a coup. Good Times. Keep your powder dry.
Meh. Who are you going to shoot at? Your neighbors? The local messican ghetto? Cops in
general?
IMO, just like always throughout history, the key is to nab "elected representatives" from
local, state and federal positions, and hang them. You don't have to hang very many --
they're smarter than they look; they're merely corrupt slimebags. Kill a few, and the rest
scatter, awaiting future opportunity.
Mr. Buchanan somehow manages to make it through the entire article without reminding us
that, in fact, the GOP did impeach a president over a blowjob–what goes around,
comes around. And while I doubt that Pat is among his fans, Bill Clinton at the time was a
good deal more popular than Trump is now.
Which brings us to something basic: Democrats and liberals in general have jumped the
shark for everyone to see, they're stark raving mad. Granted, the GOP is not exactly Trump's
party, but in an environment where Republicans face no substantial opposition, Trump could
potentially do something for his voters and there would be no possibility of a blue wave.
Instead, he's embarked on a massively ambitious nation-building project in northeast Syria
and is otherwise scouring the globe for new wars to start, while mostly catering to his rich
friends at home. And Israel, Israel, Israel all the time.
What has he done that's actually
useful? Ditching TTIP? OK let's grant him that one. Meeting Kim? Mayyybe, but at the same
time he chose to appoint Bolton and Pompeo who are predictably sabotaging the Singapore
understanding. Meanwhile, American finances are going off the cliff at an ever-accelerating
pace.
All of which is the perfect mirror image of an equally true statement: if Obama hadn't
been such a lousy president (which his supporters are in denial about), a known
charlatan like Trump would've never had a shot at the office.
For an outsider, the
sentimental attachment of this supposedly forward-looking country to its two officially
allowed parties which haven't served their stated purpose for decades already is a curious
thing to behold.
Although I lean conservative, I despair for my country. If Trump's election "unauthorized by the real powers that be" proves to be the match that
sets alight the country then we're all in for a form of Hell that few of us have seen.
Note that someone whose supposed level of intimacy with violence is someone who would not
know the first thing to do if war actually broke out. Exactly why you, the armchair warrior,
who waits with bated breath to jackboot your "enemies", will be staying at home rather than
being on the front lines, just like yourself, dear.
Now, onto Patrick's post.
"Michael Cohen is no Roy Cohn."
Patrick is partially right. They are both Jewish, and they both engaged in illegal
activity, but one was a closet homosexual.
"But paying girlfriends to keep past indiscretions private is neither a crime nor a
campaign violation "
Obviously if that was the case, Cohen would not have pled guilty. And clearly Patrick has
not been keeping up with the Mueller investigation on this particular development.
"Cohen claims he and Trump thus conspired to violate federal law."
No, Cohen is offering to corroborate the evidence collected by prosecutors as to what
constitutes illegal activities.
"No, given his belief that he is under attack by people who hate him and believe he is an
illegitimate president, and seek to bring him down, he will use all the powers of the
presidency in his fight for survival."
Well, we know for a fact that if Shitlery or Obama was in the SAME SITUATION, Patrick
would NOT be advocating this course of action. Rather, he would call for either of them to
step aside.
"Twenty-six months after the Watergate break-in, President Nixon had resigned. Twenty-six
months after the hacking of the DNC and John Podesta emails, Mueller has yet to deliver hard
evidence the Trump campaign colluded with Putin's Russia, though this was his mandate."
The Mueller investigation is a sore spot for Buchanan, who had to endure an eerily similar
experience with Nixon. So it is other than surprising that Buchanan is defending Trump.
Patrick ought to know better here, as Mueller is carefully gathering evidence from one of the
most complex cases in our nation's political history.
Justice in this instance has no time
table. Mueller is under no obligation to show his cards, that is not how prosecutions
work.
"... You fail to consider that the type of food eaten affects caloric demand, both short term (fiber reduces blood sugar) and long term (gut microbes, metabolism). ..."
"... The second law of thermodynamics says that variation of efficiency for different metabolic pathways is to be expected. Thus, ironically the dictum that a "calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics, as a matter of principle. ..."
"... the root cause seems to be the damage done by rapid intraday insulin cycling, driven by excess consumption of carbohydrate. ..."
"... Besides: body weight is relatively unimportant. Body composition is much more important, but it's also not a very good measure of cardiovascular fitness. ..."
"... So, absolutely no surprise that this piece of 'research' was performed in a Department of Psychology – the natural stamping ground of the innumerate charlatan. (It's fun to watch the psycho-charlatans starting to re-brand themselves as 'neuroscientists' grifters always need to know which way the wind is blowing and reposition themselves to extend the grift). ..."
"... Put broadly, it seems that in general, higher intelligence endows the bearer with a greater capacity for introspection, which in turn will help drive a general tendency to moderation. (Oddly, although being objectively the smartest of my social group, I am not introspective in the least – and moderation can go fuck itself). ..."
"... There is also the factor that the body reacts to stimuli in complex ways. Merely eating less signals times of famine, and ensures a stored fat gain after normal eating resumes. Paradoxically, eating slightly more while exercising (like walking) where the total mass of the body must be carried signals reduction in total mass while maintaining muscle and bone tissue. That adequate food is available (slightly increased caloric intake) enable weight loss. ..."
"... "But fat people eat too much food." They eat too much of the wrong kinds of foods. ..."
"... As for intelligence and health, unfortunately our society is so caste laden with upper castes regardless of intelligence having access to better incomes and therefore better care I would be hard pressed to buy that healthy eating is hardwired in people with higher IQ's. Maybe. ..."
"... Regardless of intellect, cultural values and norms determine behavior and behavior determines health outcomes and mortality rates. ..."
"... Or it might be that intelligent folks don't go to the doctor for a mere cold. And it might also be that intelligent have healthier eating habits because they can afford to buy healthier food. Calory for calory, some foods happen to be healthier, and also more expensive than others. a calory is just a quantity of energy. ..."
What a condescending attitude toward the science of the relationship between food,
appetite and health – sneering at any criticism of your simplistic view of the
subject.
"Don't smoke": certainly don't smoke cigarettes. Whether occasionally puffing
contemplatively on a pipe does any measurable harm I don't know. Just in case it does I gave
up decades ago. If it does no harm then those puritanical swine in the medical trades have
denied me a good deal of pleasure.
"Don't get fat": but be careful to understand what's too fat, what too thin. If
correlation is worth anything – never certain – then if you want a long life be
"overweight". Don't, please don't, flirt with being "underweight". Some evidence is displayed
in fig4:
That was for a control group. For a bunch of invalids, specifically people who have had a
stroke, look at fig 5. As the good Dr Grimes remarks "The death rate at 10 years for normal
weight individuals is standardised as 1.0. We see a survival advantage in those with low
overweight, high overweight, and low obesity – that is with people with BMI between 25
and 32.5. With "low obesity" there is a death risk reduction of almost 40%.
Repeat, stroke-people with "low obesity" outlive those who are "normal" by a whopping
margin. You might almost think that the sawbones and quacks ought to redefine "normal",
"overweight" and "obese" in light of such figures. Sorry, the surgeons and physicians.
"and don't read too many health warnings": I never disagree with tautologies.
Not to start that debate again but my experience agrees with Dr. Thompson wrt calories.
Whether my goal is to lose weight or stabilize my weight I can eat a LITTLE BIT more (calorie
wise) each day if I eat more protein and less carbs but it really doesn't make much
difference.
I have meticulously counted my calories while trying various "macros" and it's basically
how many you eat. It may be easier to stay within a particular calorie limit depending on
what you I eat but that's beside the point.
Failing to do so means any fat loss will come back fast, such as what happens with every
Biggest Loser contestant.
According to the authors of the review study mentioned above, fasting may be more useful
than regular calorie restriction for many overweight patients because of greater loss of
body fat, and better preservation of muscle (4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27708846
.
Another study found that 25% of weight lost was muscle mass in normal calorie
restriction diets, compared to just 10% lost in intermittent calorie restriction diets (8)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21410865
.
(caloric excess) / (3,500 kcal/lb) = daily gain or loss.
You fail to consider that the type of food eaten affects caloric demand, both short
term (fiber reduces blood sugar) and long term (gut microbes, metabolism).
"You fail to consider that the type of food eaten affects caloric demand, both short term
(fiber reduces blood sugar) and long term (gut microbes, metabolism)."
He's under the delusion that a calorie is a calorie. It's clearly false:
The second law of thermodynamics says that variation of efficiency for different
metabolic pathways is to be expected. Thus, ironically the dictum that a "calorie is a
calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics, as a matter of principle.
Stating that a "a calorie is a calorie" is fallacious. Humans are not bomb calirometers. A
whole slew of variables affects weight gain/loss, reducing it to calories only doesn't make
sense.
Intelligent people lead healthier lives, and that is not just because they intelligently
make healthy decisions, but also, it would appear, because they are inherently healthier.
Spooky.
As you point out, we're sneaking up (slowly) on genuine root causes of Western lifestyle
disease and 'metabolic' syndrome (better referred to as insulin resistance syndrome) –
the root cause seems to be the damage done by rapid intraday insulin cycling, driven by
excess consumption of carbohydrate. Give it a generation, and that will be the dominant
paradigm.
There are two big red flags in this piece that make it pretty clear that the pudding is
over-egged.
The first red flag is the implicit acceptance of CICO – which is
GIGO on a par with other dead tropes like
dietary-cholesterol-causes-serum-cholesterol, dietary-fat-causes-CVD, and 'healthy whole
grains'.
CICO is true (almost) by construction, so long as all excess calories are stored as tissue
of the same density, which is a stretch. But the 'CO' side of things is not meaningfully
within the scope of things that individuals can control, because most of the 'CO' happens as
a result of basal metabolism and the composition of the 'CI' affects that.
Why didn't the writer go full-retard, and declare that the key paradigm is
WIWO ( weight -in/ weight -out)? That must be true
irrespective of metabolism. (Answer: it would be meaningless, even though it would be more
useful than CICO but WO is also not under anybody's conscious control).
Besides: body weight is relatively unimportant. Body composition is much more
important, but it's also not a very good measure of cardiovascular fitness.
In my 20s I weighed upwards of 250lb, but was lean as a motherfucker (6-pack with
vascularity lean). Nowadays I weigh ~225-230 depending on whether I've had a shit, but my
abs have a good 2″ of fat covering them.
And yet I'm also objectively fitter: my VO2Max is 15% higher at 54 than it was in
my 20s.
Long story even longer: nutrition, metabolism, body comp and fitness/longevity are thinks
that require bespoke attention; measures of general tendency are worse than
meaningless, and most 'research' in the field is worse than muscle-mag bro
science.
Anyway enough about that. Back to red flags.
The second red flag is that the author presents obviously-poor data-munging as if
it's science.
Take a look at the list of variables for which correlations were obtained: the entire
study is one of those lamentable exercises in promotion-disguised-as-research: the
reduced-form, grant-seeking paradigm that was eliminated from Economics in the 1970s after
the Lucas Critique –
test everything against everything else, and pick some interesting things that
correlate with IQ with our preferred sign, and pretend that we did science
Most of those correlations – even the 'highly significant' ones – are
absolutely meaningless when expressed as contributions to variance ; they are
certainly not of any predictive use (because most people's lives are mostly noise).
Worse still, correlation coefficients are meaningless if the Gauss-Markov conditions do
not hold (because ρ – Pearson's correlation – is explicitly the
correlation derived from an OLS estimation; OLS is not efficient or unbiased if the model is
not linear).
What is the basis for assuming that the true relationship between any of those
factors and IQ is linear? (Hint: if it's not, the G-M conditions do not hold).
So, absolutely no surprise that this piece of 'research' was performed in a Department
of Psychology – the natural stamping ground of the innumerate charlatan. (It's
fun to watch the psycho-charlatans starting to re-brand themselves as 'neuroscientists'
grifters always need to know which way the wind is blowing and reposition themselves to
extend the grift).
.
.
It's exceedingly tedious when badly-performed 'research' of this kind gets any publicity: it
reflects poorly on the numeracy of those doing the publicising, for a start.
But it's doubly -tedious when the conclusions are things that I broadly agree with:
it tars my anecdotally-supported personal hypotheses when they are associated with the sort
of pseudo-scientific bunk that this article presents as 'research'.
My own view is based on a few hundred anecdotes (smart people I know) contrasted against
the sea of Betas-and-below readily observable in any shopping mall.
Put broadly, it seems that in general, higher intelligence endows the bearer with a
greater capacity for introspection, which in turn will help drive a general tendency to
moderation. (Oddly, although being objectively the smartest of my social group, I am not
introspective in the least – and moderation can go fuck itself).
Smarter people do tend to be less fat than the Deltas and Epsilons, but that's not saying
much. They smoke much less (although that's a recent thing – a behavioural change that
started in the mid-80s) – and that single difference is enough to be the driver for
almost all non-obesity related health outcomes.
Stating that a "a calorie is a calorie" is fallacious. Humans are not bomb calorimeters.
A whole slew of variables affects weight gain/loss, reducing it to calories only doesn't
make sense.
There is also the factor that the body reacts to stimuli in complex ways. Merely
eating less signals times of famine, and ensures a stored fat gain after normal eating
resumes. Paradoxically, eating slightly more while exercising (like walking) where the total
mass of the body must be carried signals reduction in total mass while maintaining muscle and
bone tissue. That adequate food is available (slightly increased caloric intake) enable
weight loss.
I feel bad for distracting discussion of the article but to respond to RaceRealist88
I can only go by my experience tracking my weight, approximate body composition and
food/macro/calorie intake. If it makes a difference I do some basic weight training (not a
250 lb ripped bodybuilder like 0.1% of the population).
With high carbs, my weight and body composition stabilize at about 2250 KCAL per day
(which is about what the Cunningham formula predicts for my age and LBM). If I eat low carb,
it's a bit higher. Maybe 2400-2500 KCAL per day (it's hard to track macros and calories with
extreme precision). So there's not a big difference. Is a calorie a calorie? Not exactly but
close enough.
If I had to guess what's going on, based on what I've read a protein calorie counts for
3/gram when your body burns it (not 4/gram like in a lab) and foods with a higher insulin
load encourage growth (potentially muscle and fat). Ok, there's some nuance.
But fat people eat too much food.
"But fat people eat too much food." They eat too much of the wrong kinds of
foods.
I think the evidence that our sugar intake is just too high and that processed foods have
had a long term negative impact on masses of people, , not most perhaps not even all, but the
case to curb eating sugars/carbs of a certain type in large doses and processed foods is
clear, in my view.
As for intelligence and health, unfortunately our society is so caste laden with upper
castes regardless of intelligence having access to better incomes and therefore better care I
would be hard pressed to buy that healthy eating is hardwired in people with higher IQ's.
Maybe.
But the analysis here is pretty darn near a circular ring around the rosey. The
uncontrolled biases effecting results are pretty open wound.
What constitutes a healthy body and lifestyle might not reflect what is noted in the BMI,
even we could agree on the standard for healthy, fat, skinny etc.
Hogwash. Testosterone and its production by body is the key. Physical activity at young
age result in increasing testosterone production through lifetime.
The associations between higher intelligence test scores from early life and later good
health, fewer illnesses, and longer life are recent discoveries.
While the above statement isn't wrong, it is misleading and irrelevant. Regardless of
intellect, cultural values and norms determine behavior and behavior determines health
outcomes and mortality rates.
I don't deal with IQ, but instead look at academic performance and income. In the US,
Hispanics perform significantly worse than whites and slightly better, but nearly the same as
blacks. Throughout the US, Hispanics often live in the same neighborhoods as blacks and
attend the same schools. Yet Hispanics do not experience the same health disparities that
blacks do. Instead we have the "Hispanic paradox" where Hispanics often have the same or
sometimes better health outcomes than whites. When looking at Hispanic subgroups, Puerto
Ricans have outcomes significantly worse than whites, although better than blacks.
Hispanics have a much higher incidence of HIV/AIDS than whites, but if you look at an
HIV/AIDS map of the US, you will see that Hispanics in the western half of the US (mostly
Mexican-Americans) have the same incidence of the disease as whites. It is only along the
East Coast of the US that significant disparities in HIV/AIDS rates are seen between the two
ethnic groups. Puerto Ricans and Dominicans tend to live on the East Coast and not only do
they have varying degrees of African ancestry but they also behave more like black
Americans.
Diabetes is rampant among Native American Indians in the US, Pacific Islanders on
Polynesian islands, and Australian Aborigines. Their ancestors from 150 years ago didn't have
higher IQs, but avoided diabetes by eating differently.
This remains to be proved, but is worth testing.
The Research Industrial Complex doesn't want to prove or cure anything because funding
will dry up.
Is a calorie a calorie? Not exactly but close enough.
If I had to guess what's going on, based on what I've read a protein calorie counts for
3/gram when your body burns it (not 4/gram like in a lab) and foods with a higher insulin
load encourage growth (potentially muscle and fat). Ok, there's some nuance.
But fat people eat too much food.
Yep, but you aren't gonna sell any potions, powders, courses, or books with thinking like
that.
"Higher intelligence [....] lower general medical practitioner costs, lower hospital
costs, and less use of medical services"
Or it might be that intelligent folks don't go to the doctor for a mere cold. And it
might also be that intelligent have healthier eating habits because they can afford to buy
healthier food. Calory for calory, some foods happen to be healthier, and also more expensive
than others. a calory is just a quantity of energy.
I wanted to rephrase my second sentence but my attention was diverted and my time to
correct expired.
It might be that people who score higher on "intelligence" tests have healthier eating habits
because they usually can afford to buy healthier foods. Calory for calory, some foods happen
to be healthier, and also more expensive than others. A calory is just a unit of energy.
"... Here, for instance, is what I wrote about our Afghan War in 2008, almost seven years after it began, when the U.S. Air Force took out a bridal party, including the bride herself and at least 26 other women and children en route to an Afghan wedding. And that would be just one of eight U.S. wedding strikes I toted up by the end of 2013 in three countries, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Yemen, that killed almost 300 potential revelers. "We have become a nation of wedding crashers," I wrote, "the uninvited guests who arrived under false pretenses, tore up the place, offered nary an apology, and refused to go home." ..."
"... Thought of another way, the U.S. military is now heading into record territory in Afghanistan. In the mid-1970s, the rare American who had heard of that country knew it only as a stop on the hippie trail . If you had then told anyone here that, by 2018, the U.S. would have been at war there for 27 years ( 1979-1989 and 2001-2018), he or she would have laughed in your face. And yet here we are, approaching the mark for one of Europe's longest, most brutal struggles, the Thirty Years' War of the seventeenth century. Imagine that. ..."
"... raison d'être ..."
"... Afganistan is the graveyard of poor empires. It's the playground of the rich American empire, a place to test weapons, test men, gain battle experience, get promotions, and generally keep the military-industrial complex in top health. If it didn't exist, we'd have to invent it. ..."
"... As shown in this article there is a very interesting connection between growing wealth inequality in the United States and American wars: https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2018/07/how-american-wars-lead-to-increased.html ..."
"... it's not a war; it's an occupation. More cops get killed/wounded in USA proper then military personnel in that "war". 2017, 46 U.S. police officers were killed by felons in the line of duty; 17 military personnel in Afghanistan. ..."
"... Yes , the US military industrial complex is rich and in top health as you say , but what I see is that the health of the US as a whole , physical and mental , is going down in the last 50 years . Maybe the metastasis of the " healthy " military cancer are killing the American host . ..."
Fair warning. Stop reading right now if you want, because I'm going to repeat
myself. What choice do I have, since my subject is the Afghan War (America's
second Afghan War, no less)? I
began writing about that war in October 2001, almost 17 years ago, just
after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. That was how I inadvertently launched
the unnamed listserv that would, a year later, become TomDispatch .
Given the website's continuing focus on America's forever wars (a phrase I first
used in
2010 ), what choice have I had but to write about Afghanistan ever since?
So think of this as the war piece to end all war pieces. And let the repetition
begin!
Here, for instance, is what I
wrote about our Afghan War in 2008, almost seven years after it began, when
the U.S. Air Force took out a bridal party, including the bride herself and
at least 26 other women and children en route to an Afghan wedding. And that
would be just one of eight U.S. wedding strikes I
toted up by the end of 2013 in three countries, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Yemen,
that killed almost 300 potential revelers. "We have become a nation of wedding
crashers," I wrote, "the uninvited guests who arrived under false pretenses,
tore up the place, offered nary an apology, and refused to go home."
Here's what I
wrote about Afghanistan in 2009, while considering the metrics of "a war
gone to hell": "While Americans argue feverishly and angrily over what kind
of money, if any, to put into health care, or decaying infrastructure, or other
key places of need, until recently just about no one in the mainstream raised
a peep about the fact that, for nearly eight years (not to say much of the last
three decades), we've been pouring billions of dollars, American military know-how,
and American lives into a black hole in Afghanistan that is, at least in significant
part, of our own creation."
Here's what I
wrote in 2010, thinking about how "forever war" had entered the bloodstream
of the twenty-first-century U.S. military (in a passage in which you'll notice
a name that became more familiar in the Trump era): "And let's not leave out
the Army's incessant planning for the distant future embodied in a recently
published report, 'Operating Concept, 2016-2028,' overseen by Brigadier General
H.R. McMaster, a senior adviser to Gen. David Petraeus. It opts to ditch 'Buck
Rogers' visions of futuristic war, and instead to imagine counterinsurgency
operations, grimly referred to as 'wars of exhaustion,' in one, two, many Afghanistans
to the distant horizon."
Here's what I
wrote in 2012, when Afghanistan had superseded Vietnam as the longest war
in American history: "Washington has gotten itself into a situation on the Eurasian
mainland so vexing and perplexing that Vietnam has finally been left in the
dust. In fact, if you hadn't noticed -- and weirdly enough no one has -- that
former war finally seems to have all but vanished."
Here's what I
wrote in 2015, thinking about the American taxpayer dollars that had, in
the preceding years, gone into Afghan "roads to nowhere, ghost soldiers, and
a $43 million gas station" built in the middle of nowhere, rather than into
this country: "Clearly, Washington had gone to war like a drunk on a bender,
while the domestic infrastructure began to fray. At $109 billion by 2014, the
American reconstruction program in Afghanistan was already, in today's dollars,
larger than the Marshall Plan (which helped put all of devastated Western Europe
back on its feet after World War II) and still the country was a shambles."
And here's what I
wrote last year thinking about the nature of our never-ending war there:
"Right now, Washington is whistling past the graveyard. In Afghanistan and Pakistan
the question is no longer whether the U.S. is in command, but whether it can
get out in time. If not, the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, the Indians,
who exactly will ride to our rescue? Perhaps it would be more prudent to stop
hanging out in graveyards. They are, after all, meant for burials, not resurrections."
And that's just to dip a toe into my writings on America's all-time most
never-ending war.
What Happened After History Ended
... ... ...
In reality, when it comes to America's
spreading wars , especially the one in Afghanistan, history didn't end at
all. It just stumbled onto some graveyard version of a Möbius strip. In contrast
to the past empires that found they ultimately couldn't defeat Afghanistan's
insurgent tribal warriors, the U.S. has -- as Bush administration officials
suspected at the time -- proven unique. Just not in the way they imagined.
Their dreams couldn't have been more ambitious. As they launched the invasion
of Afghanistan, they were already looking past the triumph to come to Saddam
Hussein's Iraq and the glories that would follow once his regime had been "decapitated,"
once U.S. forces, the most technologically advanced ever, were
stationed for an eternity in the heart of the oil heartlands of the Greater
Middle East. Not that anyone remembers anymore, but Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld,
Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, and the rest of that crew of geopolitical dreamers
wanted it all.
What they got was no less unique in history: a great power at the seeming
height of its strength and glory, with destructive capabilities beyond imagining
and a military unmatched on the planet, unable to score a single decisive victory
across an increasingly large swath of the planet or impose its will, however
brutally, on seemingly far weaker, less well-armed opponents. They could not
conquer, subdue, control, pacify, or win the hearts and minds or anything else
of enemies who often fought their
trillion-dollar foe using weaponry valued at the
price
of a pizza . Talk about bleeding wounds!
A War of Abysmal Repetition
Thought of another way, the U.S. military is now heading into record
territory in Afghanistan. In the mid-1970s, the rare American who had heard
of that country knew it only as a stop on the
hippie trail . If you had then told anyone here that, by 2018, the U.S.
would have been at war there for 27 years (
1979-1989 and 2001-2018), he or she would have laughed in your face. And
yet here we are, approaching the mark for one of Europe's longest, most brutal
struggles, the Thirty Years' War of the seventeenth century. Imagine that.
... ... ...
Almost 17 years and, coincidentally enough,
17 U.S. commanders later, think of it as a war of abysmal repetition. Just
about everything in the U.S. manual of military tactics has evidently been tried
(including dropping "the mother of all bombs," the
largest non-nuclear munition in that military's arsenal), often time and
again, and nothing has even faintly done the trick -- to which the Pentagon's
response is invariably a version of the classic
misquoted
movie line, "Play it again, Sam."
And yet, amid all that repetition,
people are
still dying ; Afghans and others are being
uprooted and
displaced across Asia, South Asia, the Middle East, and deep into Africa;
wars and terror outfits are spreading. And here's a simple enough fact that's
worth repeating: the endless, painfully ignored failure of the U.S. military
(and civilian) effort in Afghanistan is where it all began and where it seems
never to end.
A Victory for Whom?
Every now and then, there's the odd bit of news that reminds you we don't
have to be in a world of repetition. Every now and then, you see something and
wonder whether it might not represent a new development, one that possibly could
lead out of (or far deeper into) the graveyard of empires.
As a start, though it's been easy to forget in these years, other countries
are affected by the ongoing disaster of a war in Afghanistan. Think, for instance,
of Pakistan (with a newly elected, somewhat
Trumpian president who has been a
critic of America's Afghan War and of U.S. drone strikes in his country),
Iran, China, and Russia. So here's something I can't remember seeing in the
news before: the military intelligence chiefs of those four countries all
met recently in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, officially to discuss
the growth of Islamic State-branded insurgents in Afghanistan. But who knows
what was really being discussed? And the same applies to the
visit of Iran's armed forces chief of staff to Pakistan in July and the
return visit of that country's chief of staff to Iran in early August. I
can't tell you what's going on, only that these are not the typically repetitive
stories of the last 17 years.
And hard as it might be to believe, even when it comes to U.S. policy, there's
been the odd headline that might pass for new. Take the recent private, direct
talks with the Taliban in Qatar's capital, Doha,
initiated by the Trump administration and seemingly ongoing. They might
-- or
might not -- represent
something new , as might President Trump himself, who, as far as anyone
can tell, doesn't think that Afghanistan is "
the right war ." He has, from time to time, even indicated that he might
be in favor of ending the American role, of "
getting the hell out of there," as he reportedly told Senator Rand Paul,
and that's unique in itself (though he and his advisers seem to be raring to
go when it comes to what could be the next Afghanistan:
Iran ).
But should the man who would never want to be known as the president who
lost the longest war in American history try to follow through on a withdrawal
plan, he's likely to have a few problems on his hands. Above all, the Pentagon
and the country's field commanders seem to be hooked on America's "
infinite " wars. They exhibit not the slightest urge to stop them. The Afghan
War and the others that have flowed from it represent both their raison
d'être and their meal ticket. They represent the only thing the U.S. military
knows how to do in this century. And one thing is guaranteed: if they don't
agree with the president on a withdrawal strategy, they have the power and ability
to make a man who would do anything to avoid marring his own image as a winnner
look worse than you could possibly imagine. Despite that military's supposedly
apolitical role in this country's affairs, its leaders are uniquely capable
of blocking any attempt to end the Afghan War.
And with that in mind, almost 17 years later, don't think that victory is
out of the question either. Every day that the U.S. military stays in Afghanistan
is indeed a victory for well, not George W. Bush, or Barack Obama, and certainly
not Donald Trump, but the now long-dead Osama bin Laden. The calculation couldn't
be simpler. Thanks to his "
precision" weaponry -- those 19 suicidal hijackers in commercial jets --
the nearly 17 years of wars he's sparked across much of the Muslim world cost
a man from one of Saudi Arabia's
wealthiest families a mere
$400,000 to $500,000 . They've cost American taxpayers, minimally,
$5.6 trillion dollars with no end in sight. And every day the Afghan War
and the others that have followed from it continue is but another triumphant
day for him and his followers.
A sad footnote to this history of extreme repetition: I wish this essay,
as its title suggests, were indeed the war piece to end all war pieces. Unfortunately,
it's a reasonable bet that, in August 2019, or August 2020, not to speak of
August 2021, I'll be repeating all of this yet again.
Afganistan is the graveyard of poor empires. It's the playground
of the rich American empire, a place to test weapons, test men, gain
battle experience, get promotions, and generally keep the military-industrial
complex in top health. If it didn't exist, we'd have to invent it.
All very human. If America wasn't doing it, somebody else would.
Its all about pipelines, rare-earth elements and drug money for CIA black
ops.
15 years of American efforts to suppress opium growing and the heroin
trade in that country (at historic lows, by the way, when the U.S. invaded
in 2001).
And many record harvests after the US invasion.
' In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can
bet it was planned that way ' Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Unless Washington shifts from a program of funding wars by deficit financing
to funding wars through direct taxation, wars being fought by the United
States will continue to contribute to America's growing income inequality.
About the only thing I take away from this insufferably droll, repetitive
piece on America at war forever, is how powerless the both the writer and
the reader are. All we can do is read these depressing articles which remind
us of a war we can do absolutely nothing about. Very shitty and depressing,
just like USA!
Pretty much. Besides, it's not a war; it's an occupation. More cops
get killed/wounded in USA proper then military personnel in that "war".
2017, 46 U.S. police officers were killed by felons in the line of duty;
17 military personnel in Afghanistan.
The article's point/issue is simply overblown. That's why people don't
pay attention to it.
BS; it's an alien invasion = Nuremberg-class war crime.
More cops get killed/wounded in USA proper
This looks very much like the "tu quoque" or the appeal to hypocrisy
fallacy plus 'oranges vs. apples.' What the good US-burghers do in their
own country is entirely their business, and IF it looks like they act like
antediluvian neanderthal savages [a direct result of their risible 'education'
+ night & day TV, perhaps] THEN tough luck for the cops. It probably doesn't
help that the US-cops are just as much free with the lead as their oppressed
subjects. And don't think that the same sort of savagery won't impact someone
near you; a quick glance into abc.net.au/news/justin reveals horrendous
'social situations,' like bodies in barrels, say, or aggravated home invasions,
etc., also caused by defective education plus importing 'cheap' labour.
That's why people don't pay attention to it
More BS; the sheeple ignore US/Z aggression everywhere it occurs because
the corrupt&venal MSM+PFBCs [= publicly financed broadcasters, like the
AusBC] sell the powerless population pups = the sheeple get actively, deliberately
brainwashed [cf. Lügenpresse ]. Apologists for [here terrorist] criminals
make themselves accessories = assign themselves guilt and should be punished
after being tried & found so guilty.
" The U.S. has spent 25 trillion since the Vietnam War, what do they
have to show for it? " Jack Ma Ali Baba
" The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept the majority of people
from ever questioning the inequity of a private for profit fraudulent banking
system where most people drudge along, paying heavey taxes for which they
get nothing in return." Gore Vidal
(War) "It's something we do all the time because we're good at it. And
we're good at it because we're used to it. And we're used to it because
we do it all the time." Sergeant Michael Dunne played by Paul Gross in Passchendaele
the Movie
I'm not sure, but I don't think we are good at it anymore. But it appears
to me that the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and Houthi's are and that really
scares us. But it does make a lot of money for some people, careers for
others and the MSM loves it for the ratings and avoiding telling the truth.
Your opening photo is of two of the dumbest son-of-a-bitches to ever
hold the office of President of The United States. Indicative of the shit
slide this country is on.
"Afghans and others are being uprooted and displaced across Asia,
South Asia, the Middle East, and deep into Africa ."
So the strategy is to depopulate the country of its indigenous peoples
until "we" outnumber them? Never mind the damage these re-settled folks
are doing to Western Europe, not to mention other places.
.generally keep the military-industrial complex in top health
Yes , the US military industrial complex is rich and in top health
as you say , but what I see is that the health of the US as a whole , physical
and mental , is going down in the last 50 years . Maybe the metastasis of
the " healthy " military cancer are killing the American host .
The same happened to most of the empires , got drunk on blood and fell
.
Congrats. Sounds like a good swing trade in light of the fact that the trend
is your friend.
I am getting in on the great bear raid against Tesla, which I've been agnostic
on (mostly ignoring it) other than being skeptical. Did a lot of research over
the weekend, and the findings were quite disturbing. Musk will be lucky to avoid
a prison sentence.
Tesla is going to zero, barring something like Musk getting a large commitment
from Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
There are no shares available to short, but puts suit me just fine. JP Morgan
Chase will be coming out with Tesla credit default swaps as well. That said
actually selling the swaps could be a problem.
On a different note, Tesla is going to zero. The company has a number of
severe problems:
• Tesla is burning through one billion per quarter and is likely to run out
of cash this year
• It is the only company of its size (in the market) offering high yield debt
and stock offerings to accredited investors (which do not require SEC disclosure)
• Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman reportedly refused to meet with Elon Musk
when he was in Saudi Arabia
• Elon Musk has violated federal securities, labor, and OSHA laws
• Musk and many other current and former executives have signed false documents
and thus committed perjury
• The Model 3 is a disaster and was panned by Consumer Reports, Car and Driver,
and Edmund's
• The self-dealing merger with Solar City would likely not have been approved
by shareholders without Musk's vaporware demonstration of solar roof tiles that
do not exist (securities fraud)
• Half of Tesla's output is exported, leaving it very vulnerable to trade retaliation
• Quality problems continue to be severe, and Tesla has now resorted to partnering
with local body shops for post-production fixes
• Extreme shortage of spare parts means Teslas can be out of service for months
• Tesla takes months to refund customer deposits
• Numerous accounting problems, leading to 86 questions from the SEC for the
last fiscal year, compared to zero for Ford Motor
• Tesla "autopilot" units keep crashing
• Highest accident and fatality statistics in its vehicle class (new luxury
vehicles)
• Model S wheels and suspensions keep cracking
• Difficulty of exiting vehicle in the absence of electrical power (no mechanical
door handles) led to children literally being burned alive
• A flood of competition is inbound, including the 600 horsepower Porsche Misson-E
going into production at Zuffenhausen next year
• Tesla's zero emission credits are set to expire, just as other automakers
start harvesting them
Every freely available share is now short–not joking. You can't even short
the stock anymore generally, though puts are of course available.
Musk himself is likely to be personally wiped out as well, as he has borrowed
against 40% of his shares. He'll face a very ugly margin call when the stock
starts sliding. Additionally, he's likely to personally face both civil and
criminal liability.
I bought some Tesla shares as the company as dipping a few weeks ago.
Hedge your long position with some puts. Only reason I am not short is that
there are no shares available to short. I did buy puts however.
Congrats for putting your money where your mouth is. By next year this time
you may be featured on @Bagholderquotes :).
The criticism of lack of profitability is sound & fair, but I also think
most of the overheated commentary has been irrational and overtly emotional.
This has been true. Most Tesla criticism up until now has come from two camps:
1. Gearheads with gasoline flowing in their veins who hate EVs. I belong
to this group (my daily driver has a 450 horsepower V-8 and I hate fuel economy
and EVs), though I avoided getting irrational about Tesla.
2. The Zero Hedge doomerist crowd.
There have, however, been two major exceptions. Jim Chanos and Bob Lutz.
Jim Chanos is a legendary short seller who nailed Enron and Valeant (though
he lost some credibility by betting on a China crash that never happened). Chanos
states that the only times he's seen so many executive departures before are
Enron and Valeant.
Bob Lutz likely needs no introduction to you. And while Lutz is a car guy
(invented the Dodge Viper), he says the greatest achievement of his career was
the Chevy Volt and that EVs are inevitable. Furthermore he highly praised the
Model S. Lutz has bluntly called Tesla a personality cult that's going bankrupt.
I expect Tesla to gradually improve net profitability as time goes on.
Musk has prioritised volume expansion over profits and I think it is fair
to say that he underestimated how tough it would be.
Tesla can't improve its net profitability because it has no profitability
to begin with, even if we accept Tesla's fictitious gross margins and channel
stuffing (e.g. "selling" batteries to The Boring Company).
Musk has indeed prioritized volume production, and his failure is due to
his arrogance. This arrogance is typical of Silicon Valley as a class. They
assume they know better than any other industry, failing to realize their success
is due to monopoly and lack of regulation (welcome to the auto industry boys!).
Musk deliberately recruited executives with no experience in the automotive
industry, and he attempted to fully automate production (e.g. his infamous alien
dreadnought remark). If Musk weren't so arrogant, he would've learn that Roger
Smith attempted this in the '80s and went so far as to buy FANUC. It was a complete
disaster. Sandy Munro describes robots as blind one-armed idiots, and notes
that not only can they not do everything but one must design the product itself
for robotic production.
This arrogance is directly culpable for Tesla's huge capital costs, as essentially
Tesla bought far more capital equipment than it can actually use or is required
in automaking. Musk said he was going to build half a million cars this year.
He'll be lucky to hit 200,000.
Even aside from Tesla's financial woes, regulatory violations, massive civil
liability, and outright criminality a massive flood of competition is inbound.
Volkswagen is currently converting twenty assembly plants to EV production,
Daimler is investing twenty billion euros in it by 2022, and GM is putting over
20 all electric vehicles into production over the next five years.
Then there's the fact that the Model 3 turns out to be something of a dog.
Consumer Reports, which called the Model S the best car it has ever evaluated,
noted that the Model 3 has a greater average stopping distance than the Ford
F-150.
What's the story for Tesla surviving? A company that appears to be under
SEC investigation somehow raises $20 billion in the next few years, achieves
mass production, eliminates its severe quality problems, doesn't get sued by
all the people it killed, and beats the competition handily?
Then there's the fact that Musk appears to be personally melting down. Feuding
with Warren Buffet, attacking the press Trump-style, and dating someone named
"Grimes" who is an "anti-imperialist" singer (?!).
I highly encourage you to check out Fintwitter on this (the only Twitter
that can compete with Frogtwitter). No one does scuttlebutt like bears.
I don't see the supercharger network as a major competitive edge at all.
People interested in long-distance driving don't buy EVs. I can "recharge" any
of my vehicles in one minute.
And the rest of the industry is not standing still on this. The German automakers
and Ford Europe are partnering with Shell to create their own network in Europe.
Many other efforts underway in America and Asia as well. These efforts involve
automakers, oil companies, power utilities, and in some cases governments. An
ocean of capital is available for this.
EVs will not completely take over unless the government forces it, but I
agree they will comprise a large percentage of new auto sales in the next decade.
Maybe even a majority.
The thing is that these EVs will not come from Tesla, unless Tesla survives
as a brand of a global OEM (I see GM and Ford as likely candidates for acquiring
Tesla).
Remember the auto industry is the most brutally competitive industry on the
planet.
A media ratings website is something Trump should've done.
In Musk's case it is ridiculous because the media has been polishing his
knob non-stop until his disastrous performance on the last earnings call.
He's also angry that the press is reporting on the alarming work conditions
at Tesla's Fremont assembly plant, including some poor schmuck who suffered
an arc flash explosion that melted all his skin because Tesla refused to de-energize
the high voltage equipment he was working on (a violation of NFPA 70, OSHA,
and CalOSHA).
Financial journalism is mostly solid as Peter Brimelow will be happy to tell
you.
You'll be happy to know that Teslemmings are accusing the Wall Street Journal
reporter Charley Grant of being a RUSSIAN TROLL .
My knowledge only dates to last weekend really. Got tired of hearing about
Musk and decided to do some scuttlebutt.
Space X is a private company, so I'm unaware of its financials or ownership
structure. I suspect it is not profitable as it raised capital as recently as
last year, but in principal there is nothing wrong with its business model.
Its technical and commercial achievements are impressive. Unlike the situation
with Tesla, Musk actually recruited experienced aerospace executives and engineers
for Space X instead of Snapchat retreads (not joking–some dipshit from Snapchat
is now running the Autopilot program).
The collapse of Tesla will do two things to Space X:
1 – Musk has borrowed against 40% of his Tesla shares, likely to finance
his other businesses and fund his lavish lifestyle (Bel Air and London mansions,
Gulfstream G650, etc.). This means he'll face a crushing margin call, possibly
forcing him to sell his shares in Space X.
2 – It will destroy his halo, which is source of his success. This is why
Musk committed securities fraud in order to have Tesla acquire Solar City, which
was rapidly headed for bankruptcy. With his reputation in tatters, it will call
into question his leadership of Space X. Certainly ideas like going to Mars
with other people's money will be out.
There is also a real possibility that Musk will face felony prosecution,
in which case he certainly won't be running Space X.
A lot of the Tesla bears assume there's something wrong with Space X as well,
but I don't think this is warranted. One guy who is documenting all the Model
S suspension failures has invented a half-cocked conspiracy theory that Space
X's achievements are fictitious. It's pretty common for short sellers to get
emotional during a great bear raid, which is part of the fun.
Some resources for you all on Tesla's impending collapse, starting with FinTwitter:
FinTwitter Resources
Mark Spiegel, Managing Partner of Stanphyl capital and Tesla bear
The normal thing is you settle your issues (legal, financial, etc.),
find out who really cares about you (in Musk's case, this might be down
to just his brother and Thiel), and start over.
Musk is a very talented man, and at the end of the day he will be all
right. He isn't Elizabeth Holmes, he's Icarus with a fatal attraction to
capital intensive industries. Musk appears to be guilty of violating a number
of federal laws, but he's not Jeff Skilling.
Preston Tucker for instance, the Musk of the 1940s, went right back to
work. As Tucker walked out of the court room he was unphased, quipping that
even Henry Ford failed the first two times around.
He ultimately found new investors in Brazil to back a new sports car.
Unfortunately Tucker died a premature death.
While "autopilot" does not amount to "self-driving" cars, self driving
cars have absolutely no business being touted except on roads made specifically
or certified for self driving cars. Frankly, I'm hugely skeptical of self
driving cars until the cars communicate with side road sensors and maybe
with the other cars
Tesla could now own 100% of an electric car factory in China, says
government
Good place for someone who thinks his employees ought to work 100 hours
a week.
Kyle Bass won big betting against on the lowest growth area in the world:
the EU. He lost a bit of money and a lot of credibility trying to short
Japan (long known as the sucker bet.) Betting on a China crash is inherently
flawed, because China has been transformed by the friendly attitude and
assistance of successive American governments, which facilitated the economic
growth of China following China-USSR military clashes in the late sixties.
Developing China has been seen as a way of weakening Russia. But the years
of allowing China to drive a coach and horses through international trade
has created a klepto-merchantilist decepticon monster piling up huge trade
imbalances. And instead of the Chinese government buying advanced US products
2025 program aims to make them technological leaders as well
China is going to transform itself into an unbeatable megastate, and
will not run out of steam. To prevent itself being supplanted as the most
powerful state in the word America will take action against the interests
of the greedy globalising hyper-capitalist elite and diplomatic shills running
their country into the ground. The first signs are already there that American
self preservation is emerging from the deep state. The US will see that
the trade and technology restriction it will try first will not be enough.
As things get nasty, China will resort to overt military pressure on the
rest of the world, or maybe it will give up its objective of global domination
and rely on everyone being nice to it!
A lot of Tesla skepticism is the mirror image of Tesla and Musk fanboyism.
That is it's based largely on irrational "player hating". A lot of the skepticism
and hate against Musk is from conservatives or right-wingers who associate
him with the left because of his popularity among many liberals. Also a
lot of financial types hate him because they're paper pushers and he's an
industrialist. Hedge funders and other financial types regard themselves
as being at the top of the social hierarchy, so an engineer and industrialist
building stuff makes paper pushers like themselves look bad.
-The production ramp up, while bumpy, is brisk
-While losses keep increasing, Tesla's opex as percentage of sales continues
to drop
-Thus far it has the only widespread high energy charging network
-While other automakers excel at mass production, they'll face bottlenecks
in ramping up EV production as well (notice GM's pace with the Volt and
Bolt) until well into the next decade
Hedge funders and other financial types regard themselves as being
at the top of the social hierarchy, so an engineer and industrialist
building stuff makes paper pushers like themselves look bad.
Plenty of asset managers are long Tesla and are practically fanboys of
Musk. Musk himself engages in quite a bit of "paper pushing" since he's
had to raise capital so many times.
"Paper pusher" is an irrational criticism of the finance sector. Allocating
capital is a very important job.
Whether it's an irrational criticism or not depends on one's values and
views on political economy. To some, the financial sector has manifestly
failed at allocating capital properly and is filled with rent seeking. Others
will point to its size and the capitalization of financial markets as evidence
of its value and importance.
What's the evidence that it has failed at allocating capital successfully?
No shortage of rent-seeking of course. But if there's one thing I've
learned it's that bagholders are gonna bag. This isn't some hypothetical either, look at countries without sophisticated
financial markets. People are forced to save by speculating in real estate,
and credit is often not available to business unless the state makes it
available (perfectly reasonable in such economies to be fair).
Since the 80s, the stock market capitalization to GDP ratio has been
much higher than the historical norm, higher than when the US had higher
rates of growth. There have been several bubbles, and consumer debt has
risen significantly while income has stagnated and startup formation is
at a 40 year low. Capital allocation has been very unproductive. It's caused
lots of asset price inflation and increased debt without producing new assets
and income streams. Capital allocation is highly centralized and it has
the same problems communist economies have with central planning where capital
is centralized in the state. A lot of unproductive activity and rent seeking.
In financialized economies with inflated asset prices, people have low
savings and can't even afford to buy real estate or can only afford it by
taking on lots of debt and having to depend on further price inflation so
that they don't go underwater. In countries with financial repression, public
debt tends to be low and interest rates tend to be low and capital gets
directed towards industry.
Since the 80s, the stock market capitalization to GDP ratio has been
much higher than the historical norm, higher than when the US had higher
rates of growth.
Stock prices were unusually low in the 1970s, as epitomized by BusinessWeek's
famous 1979 The Death of Equities cover.
In addition to reversion to the mean, several other factors made stocks
more valuable since that time.
The collapse of inflation and interest rates increased the net present
value of stocks, the rise of emerging markets with poor domestic capital
markets increased foreign demand for stocks, America's persistent trade
deficit further increased foreign demand for American assets, and the low-cost
trading and 401k revolutions.
There have been several bubbles
So what? Since the pop of the last bubble the S&P 500 with dividends
reinvested has returned over 400%.
and consumer debt has risen significantly
And? One man's debt is another man's asset.
income has stagnated
Correction, wages have stagnated. Capital income has soared. Entirely
expected consequence of union busting, mass immigration, and offshoring.
startup formation is at a 40 year low
And this is the fault of Wall Street how? If you haven't noticed VC is
throwing money at startups.
Capital allocation has been very unproductive.
Evidence? Certainly return on capital and return on equity haven't been
poor.
It's caused lots of asset price inflation and increased debt without
producing new assets and income streams.
Increased debt by definition creates new assets. Remember than one man's
debt is another man's asset.
Capital allocation is highly centralized and it has the same problems
communist economies have with central planning where capital is centralized
in the state.
Dude, have you even been to Costco? No lines for toilet paper there.
A lot of unproductive activity and rent seeking.
Meaning what exactly?
In financialized economies
The fuck does this mean?
inflated asset prices
At what level are asset prices inflated?
people have low savings
Personal choice. In some respects a consequence of sophisticated financial
markets–people rely on credit instead of savings. Hence why people buy houses
and cars with loans.
can't even afford to buy real estate or can only afford it by taking
on lots of debt and having to depend on further price inflation so that
they don't go underwater
Yes, this is called a mortgage. A financially rational decision given
the opportunity cost of committing so much capital upfront. Unsurprisingly,
this decision does involve a bit of risk. Big whoop. You think returns should
be guaranteed?
In countries with financial repression
The fuck does this mean?
public debt tends to be low
So what? The federal government is a higher quality borrower than any
household, so perhaps we should thank the government for bearing the burden
of credit expansion.
interest rates tend to be low
You mean like 3% on the ten year?
capital gets directed towards industry
You mean like Tesla? Wonder where they got their capital
Well like I said earlier, this is a matter of one's values and views
on political economy. If one prefers asset price inflation and a capital
structure of heavily indebted households and young adults, then there's
nothing wrong and everything is rosy.
Household income overall, not just wages, has stagnated.
Startup formation is still at a 40 year low, despite all the noise about
venture capital and Silicon Valley.
ROC and ROE are based on corporate income, which are at historical highs.
The rest of your comment is just econ 101 and biz school corp finance
and accounting 101 hand waving to justify the status quo.
Your whole argument in the original post is that Tesla and SpaceX could
not get the capital that they have without Musk committing fraud and violating
a bunch of laws. In other words, two new industrial firms with tremendous
brand value and advancing decades ahead of the competition (
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/05/every-3-5-years-spacex-is-adding-a-decade-lead-on-competitors.html
) could not have been capitalized otherwise.
Tesla's a company that should never have been. The whole concept is bullshit.
The electric car can not compete with the internal combustion engine the
energy density is not there.
I do not believe that Tesla is likely to produce profits in the foreseeable
future that justify its current valuation. However, a German engineering
service company has analysed a Tesla 3 model and found that the materials
cost of a car is around US-$ 18.000 and the cost of production can be estimated
at around US-$ 10.000, so the gross margin should be ok if they manage to
get production volume up.
Agreed that Tesla is probably going down the tubes, but what about the
effect on other technology stocks?
No-one really knows when Tesla will go down, but when it does, it's going
to impact the whole of Tech sector investment. For example, it's true that
a company like Amazon makes a profit, but it's also got a lot of fantasy
built into its share price (as pointed out in detail by David Stockman):
I wouldn't even grant such naif glibness Econ 101; it's more closely
resembles some nursery school "wisdom" and amounts to something like saying
that one man's fire is another's construction project.
I'll be the first to admit that under certain circumstances, debt
can be good, but the key word is "can" as I'm sure you'll agree.
Debt, like fire, capitalism, and communism (note the lower case "c").
is nothing more than a tool and whether any of those things is good or not
depends on a lot of other factors as you so correctly point out. Anyone
who makes such a cringe-worthy comment as "debt is good" or its equivalent
is not to be taken seriously and I quit reading his comment after that.
Why should anyone waste his time reading some author who has so little
to offer? People take 'Ol Thor seriously???
This goes to show how idiotic "investors" really are. Tesla was a No
Go from the very start. It was a failed business plan before it ever got
up & running. The technology will never be affordable to the vast majority
of the unwashed despite creative credit schemes. That means only the so-called
1%ers would be the target market and before too long that market would be
saturated and conquered and growth in profit and earnings would cease. The
reasonings given for tanking this stock by "investors" doesn't even mention
this. They're fucking clueless.
You want a growth industry for our time? A good long-term investment,
or long-term these days, with a business plan that will provide growth for
at least several decades? Invest in my company, Euthanasia, Inc.
. That's where the money is. You'll make gobs of money, significant double
digit ROI, and in 20 to 30 years when you're as wealthy as Trump if not
wealthier, there will be nothing, and no one, left to buy with all that
money. They'll, and it, will be gone. No one left to wipe your ass so you'll
have to use the money that was them and it to wipe it instead until you
defecate for the very last time.
I'm not even entirely sure whether anyone went to the moon these
days.
I'm entirely sure we didn't.
According to
Wiki
, the rate of payload to initial mass of the Apollo missions was roughly
1 to 25 from Earth to lower Earth orbit, but about 1 to 3 from Earth orbit
to lunar orbit. Assuming Earth orbit was 200 miles above Earth, less than
10% of the total energy required to escape Earth's gravity had been applied
once orbit was reached. Therefore, somehow the engines became about 100
times more fuel-efficient when going from Earth orbit to the moon.
There are many more astonishing details. One is that NASA
lost all the tapes of the lunar missions – allegedly the tapes were
"reused". Another is that the dosage of radiation measured on board the
lunar missions was
no different
from those of typical Earth orbit missions. Considering that the lunar
missions would have had to go through the van Allen radiation belt, they
should have received a significantly higher dosage.
You're trolling but fundamentally the notion of the "dark factory" or
the completely automated factory was hardly beyond belief, or else it wouldn't
have been attempted so many times in the first place. Its a lesson that
we learn, often at considerable cost, that the wetware of the brain is still
remarkably efficient and capable of things that our machines aren't, but
the central conceit of it: that we can make things from processes done by
repetitive functions is hardly impossible.
Its essentially the very background of programming: single use methods
and black box classes to manipulate data, then provide useful and interesting
results. It just so happens that in manufacturing in the real world that
there's much more variation and less control over both inputs and outputs,
but I am sure that every single person with a Six Sigma or ITIL cert has
at least given a passing thought to it. The entire point of such confined
processes is to turn humans into rough approximations of machines; why not
use machines for that purposes?
I'm always amazed at how there are so many fatalities and injuries
due to operator error on passenger trains – there really should be none.
Because it's all still in the hands of a driver, who has a fairly monotonous
job and tends to drift off from time to time. Automation is easily possible
on a technical level, but the driver is needed as an ultimate legal scapegoat
so that when SHTF, the company as a whole is not held liable. There's also
the interesting observation that due to computers having potential blind
spots, a human being is always needed and, paradoxically, the only way to
keep the human being engaged is to have them handle many of the easy tasks
that the AI could actually do better.
The problem is that Musk ran this company like a tech product where scaling
does not require massive capital and correcting mistakes means patching
lines of code, not massive recalls or people burning alive.
If Musk was smart, he would have combined his experience in tech and
entrepreneurship with the experience of a legit manufacturer.
If Musk kept production small and put out quality products, he could
have sold the company to Ford or Toyota and scaled production massively
with experienced people.
Musk would have made billions, and Tesla would likely be a leader in
EVs going forward for decades. Instead Musk got greedy and said we don't
need to sell out. With our market cap we are already the same size as Ford.
Well, enjoy prison Elon.
Well like I said earlier, this is a matter of one's values and views
on political economy. If one prefers asset price inflation and a capital
structure of heavily indebted households and young adults, then there's
nothing wrong and everything is rosy.
What precisely do you mean by values in this context? What are your values?
And, to repeat Thorfinsson's earlier question-dismissal of your faith, what
the hell is "asset price inflation"? Asset prices go up in accordance with
expected future returns and the current interest rate curve. Sometimes price
bubbles form; there is no reason to believe that we are currently in the
midst of one in the stock market. That current rates are low, implies a
high present value for future flows, and a testament to the desirability
of U.S T-bonds and corporate credit in general.
Household income overall, not just wages, has stagnated.
Startup formation is still at a 40 year low, despite all the noise
about venture capital and Silicon Valley.
Startup formation everywhere demonstrates high time- clustering. Why
is that a fault of the financial sector?
ROC and ROE are based on corporate income, which are at historical
highs.
Yes, this is true. Labour share has gone down in relative terms. Perhaps
many categories of labour will continue to devalue, replaced by automation.
We may at some point need to do a cost-benefit analysis of guaranteed minimum
income. I remain somewhat circumspect of the notion.
The rest of your comment is just econ 101 and biz school corp finance
and accounting 101 hand waving to justify the status quo.
Which portions?
Perhaps, it is precisely a lack of understanding econ 101. which leads
to an inevitable reliance on the cult of Liquidationist Ron Paulisms.
Your whole argument in the original post is that Tesla and SpaceX
could not get the capital that they have without Musk committing fraud
and violating a bunch of laws. In other words, two new industrial firms
with tremendous brand value and advancing decades ahead of the competition
(
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/05/every-3-5-years-spacex-is-adding-a-decade-lead-on-competitors.html
) could not have been capitalized otherwise.
That was hardly the entirety of the argument. I've just started looking
at Tesla in depth, in order to handicap a long-term short position and I
conclude that it is a great short. Objectively, his capex and opex are completely
highly, highly, unwarranted, even for a new technology venture. He broke
and bent a few laws to burn investor capital. As a result, top talent is
exiting the company. Musk however, does not see it for he is in the grips
of a bad case of G'd complex.
Musk is not Bezos. He does not have the vision he thinks he's got. Market
will not tolerate this sort of extraordinary corporate profligacy for more
than another year in my reckoning. I think his best bet might be to seek
a collaboration with Daimler and focus on the battery business.
I wouldn't even grant such naif glibness Econ 101; it's more closely
resembles some nursery school "wisdom" and amounts to something like
saying that one man's fire is another's construction project.
Try not to be too glib yourself. Hit the econ 101 books, would be my
advice to you. There is a world of difference between personal debt, single
company corporate debt, and, economy-wide sovereign debt. The trouble with
your faith is that you deliberately ignore two basic econ 101 concepts:
individual optimal debt ratios, and, thereafter, the fallacy of composition
as it applies to public or sovereign debt.
The question of debt and Savings more generally, has deeply psychological
underpinnings connected to language. [For another time]
Anyone who makes such a cringe-worthy comment as "debt is good" or
its equivalent is not to be taken seriously and I quit reading his
comment a fter that.
That would explain a great deal of your typically frantic behaviour.
You have the laughable habit of erecting strawmen. "Debt is good" is not
a statement anyone on the rational side of economics has ever claimed in
isolation. Properly understood, debt is an instrument to smooth inter-temporal
investments and consumption.
Worth watching for anyone looking to get a sense of Tesla as a car. The
short version: Battery up -- crap; Battery down -- remarkable.
The stuff Tesla can't get right is old tech; the stuff that is good is
electric & electronic. I prefer the short narrative but the timing is too
hard. Tesla has proved itself brilliant at raising money. It's market cap
is $46B.
People love Tesla. I can't be sure about the timing. Otherwise I would
be short.
One way to construct a short is through the purchase of a longer dated
put, as you might already know. If that is more premium than you are looking
to spend, then one can look at put spreads.
The history of auto making is littered with dead entrepreneurs. I have
to hand it to Musk, he has balls. He capitalized on or, is responsible for
the reinvigorated interest in EVs and, he took advantage of all the government
incentives that followed. I don't know much about Tesla's manufacturing
abilities. I doubt Ford or GM will be interested in buying anything more
than the Tesla brand name, which is a clever one.
I wonder? Does the Tesla family receive royalties? I doubt it. Maybe this
turn towards electric vehicles will renew interest in cheap if not free
electric power. Will it finally be admitted that the universe along with
everything in it, such as the sun, is electric. Does anyone else find it
odd that since the 1920s nothing much has changed in the field of electronics.
I hear it isn't properly taught. Not even at MIT.
I am probably making a mistake diving into the weeds with you people
again, but basically you people are pointing out flaws in how the economy
has developed in the past generation which are not the fault of the financial
sector.
The economic damage to the middle and working classes have been caused
by five things:
• "Free trade" (deindustrialization)
• Mass immigration
• Union-busting
• Increasing monopoly power
• The healthcare and education rackets
Which of these are the financial sector to blame for exactly, and how?
By shifting your goalposts from wages to household income (ignoring that
the average household size has declined), yet then your turn around and
point out corporate income is historically high. My claim was only that
income has risen. It's just that income has gone to capital rather than
labor in the past generation. That's a political issue.
Musk violated securities laws (likely) in getting Solar City and Tesla
to merge. Beyond that he has risen capital based on the promise of new products
and increasing production. He hasn't delivered as fast as he promised. That
isn't securities fraud, business is hard. Particularly the automotive business.
Critics of the financial sector are claiming they're just paper pushers
who don't allocate capital to industry, yet here we have a glaring example
of where capital markets raise MASSIVE amounts of capital for an entirely
new industry.
There is a world of difference between personal debt, single company
corporate debt, and, economy-wide sovereign debt.
Now that's funny coming from you,Mave!
I was the one who pointed out,to you, the fact that there
was a world of difference between various kinds of debt, e.g., public vs
private debt. Up until I clued you in on that elementary fact, you stood
by your witless comment that "debt is good."
It's as corny and silly as Rand's utterly contemptible and sappy claim
that greed is good.
Try to keep up, will ya?
PS: What does your hero, Krugman say about debt?
Note to those who don't know what this is about, it's a feud between
me 'n The Mave, who is such a guru in econ 101 that he bids us read Krugman
if we want to understand "eekonomiks" as he does.
I mean, really, doesn't that reveal the level on which that one's thought
processes attempt to function?
That would explain a great deal of your typically frantic behaviour.
You have the laughable habit of erecting strawmen.
And that is a fine example of projection.
And speaking of strawman arguments, I responded to this, which is a direct
quote.:
One man's debt is another man's asset.
You would do well to look up the meaning of the word, "strawman."
The statement, as quoted, is evidence of an incapacity to analyze simple
concepts, and it indicates to me that he has nothing to offer me. It's really
quite simple, but keep trying.
Tesla would be profitable by now if it hadn't attempted to build an "alien
dreadnought" fully automated production line and hadn't bothered with the
Model X or Model 3. Other diversions like R&D for a fictitious semi aren't
helpful either.
EVs will be affordable in the next decade as global battery production
ramps up.
But most of these EVs will not be Teslas. They'll be from the traditional
OEMs and some new Chinese companies.
Yes, this is true. Labour share has gone down in relative terms.
Perhaps many categories of labour will continue to devalue, replaced
by automation. We may at some point need to do a cost-benefit analysis
of guaranteed minimum income. I remain somewhat circumspect of the notion.
The automation thing is bullshit handwaving sold by The Ecommunist as
a convenient excuse. The same publication that tells us we need massive
immigration.
We've been "automating" since Watt invented a functional steam engine
and Hargreaves invented the spinning jenny.
Even earlier, really. The Middle Ages saw the invention of the mouldboard
plough and the padded harness, increasing the productivity of agriculture.
Automation increases the value of human labor, though it does cause occupational
and sector displacement.
Guaranteed minimum income is the Silicon Valley version of bread & circuses.
The economic damage to the middle and working classes have been caused
by five things:
Only five things?
You think various scams and frauds such as bailouts, foreign "aid" and
skyrocketing public debt (used criminally in most cases ) have had no effect,
or are they covered by one or more of your five?
The Treasury Department made a profit on the bailout.
Foreign aid is much lower than it was during the golden days of the middle
class, and it's paid out of tax revenues (and bond sales) which are primarily
paid by the wealthy.
I'm opposed to both, but don't see how either harm the middle and working
classes.
I watched that interview a while back, I wish they asked him when his
car came off the line, I think he got one of the early cars, with Tesla
its a bad idea to buy the first cars built, wait for six months or a year
until they have fixed all the problems, after that I think the quality is
far better
The Saudis plan to float Aramco next year for that to be a success they
will want high oil prices, the frackers in the US may cause them problems,
but if the Saudis and the Russians want high prices they should be able
to get close to $100 a barrel if they work together
That should help Tesla and EV sales in general, today I passed my local
filling station on the way to work, petrol was €1.37 per litre and Diesel
was €1.47 per litre, with prices like that EVs have a bright future in Europe
and Asia
Also if Tesla can last long enough to build their Truck they will turn
that whole industry on its head
I'm not even entirely sure whether anyone went to the moon these
days.
I'm entirely sure we didn't.
And, there it goes. Ka-dink, swish, swirl, galook! Straight into the
Wackadoodle Dumper.
Do I recall correctly there being some sort of 80′s social wisdom about
the end of any discussion being the point at which someone was compared
to Hitler? Or somebody called someone a Nazi?
Nowadays, it's the point at which some ignorant jackass asserts a conspiracy
-- usually some variation on the voluminous and multi-fantastic 9/11 conspiracy
collections, but there's been a recent upsurge in moon landing conspiracies.
Electric trucks are a particularly dumb idea other than niche applications
like port trucking (where you could just build a narrow gauge railroad instead).
I'm opposed to both, but don't see how either harm the middle and
working classes.
You don't? Well, fancy that.
The explosive growth of the middle class, and its accelerating acquisition
of assets, is noteworthy. In no time at all, the middle class will re-acquire
the 95% of gross national wealth held by the to-be-pitied "1%". Oh, woe
be to the rich! They die off so swiftly, so unfairly.
The middle class grows fat with the undeserved profits they obtain from
exploiting the wealthy class. It's obscene. There oughta be a law!
Automation increases the value of human labor, though it does cause
occupational and sector displacement.
Isn't that what I said in: "Perhaps many categories of labour
will continue to devalue, " ?
Of course, automation started with the Wheel and labour to capital substitution
increases the marginal productivity of Labour [thus value of Labour]. Nothing
to do with what the Economist says [I don't usually read them].
As I also wrote I am circumspect of the idea of GMI. What I do know is
that the dislocations on account of capital/tech substitution is ratcheting
up very rapidly and that means in the interim we very likely will not see
any significant rise in wages for many categories of labour. How long these
dislocations remain, at what point we have a sufficiently well-endowed Labour
Force, I cannot predict.
I don't think so, if Tesla can deliver their truck with close to the
claimed specs then they will clearly change the whole industry, trunks only
get about 8mpg, so switching to electric power gives massive saving in fuel
and maintenance costs
from what we know plenty of companies with large fleets of trucks have
placed orders with Tesla, assuming Tesla do the job right and the trucks
run well after six months or a year someone will run the numbers for electric
Vs Diesel and there will only be one winner
In practice, owing to widespread atomophobia, fossil fuel energy is required
to produce hydrogen.
Even if atomophobes were sent to concentration camps (as they should
be), why would we want to invest massive amounts of capital for this project?
Because Toyota is enamored?
As I also wrote I am circumspect of the idea of GMI. What I do know
is that the dislocations on account of capital/tech substitution is
ratcheting up very rapidly and that means in the interim we very likely
will not see any significant rise in wages for many categories of labour.
How long these dislocations remain, at what point we have a sufficiently
well-endowed Labour Force, I cannot predict.
This is still nonsense. The biggest drop in wages occurred in the 1980s,
when union-busting kicked into high gear but the manufacturing base was
in tact (and frequently protected, against Reagan's own instincts).
The biggest loss in manufacturing jobs was in the 2000s, conveniently
right after China joined the WTO.
American manufacturing isn't even that automated. Robot density is significantly
lower than leaders like Japan, Germany, and South Korea.
Most of the deindustrialization effect is by now played out, and wages
would start rising again if immigration were actually clamped down on.
What's the evidence for "ratcheting up very rapidly"? Total factor productivity
growth isn't all that high these days.
There was recently an anon on this blog who was obviously an Indian.
He spoke of Dharma, etc. He is the only other fellow but you who I've heard
use the term "white trashionalist", which is a pretty odd coincidence.
Technically, the use of a battery of over seven thousand small lithium
cells ("2170s" – not much bigger than flashlight cells) to power a car feels
very wrong. Wrong because of the labor intensity of manufacture (even if
robotic); wrong because of the multiplication factor upon the reliability.
And just plain inelegant from an engineering point of view.
Still, and all, I know from first hand that courageous new ventures must
necessarily attract monumental criticism until they are finally proved successful:
it is so much easier just to say "no" to a new idea.
Somebody said "you can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs".
This is still nonsense. The biggest drop in wages occurred in the
1980s, when union-busting kicked into high gear but the manufacturing
base was in tact (and frequently protected, against Reagan's own instincts).
However, here is a question for you. If you decry the breakup of labour
unions, would you decry as well, a de-cartelisation of Banking? If not,
why not? [Banking is cartelised. Try obtaining a banking license]
Most of the deindustrialization effect is by now played out, and
wages would start rising again if immigration were actually clamped
down on.
That statement is nonsense. I am not a proponent of unrestricted immigration.
I support merit-based immigration. However, wages would not at all start
rising inevitably if immigration were severely restricted tomorrow. There
are many reasons for it, monopsony power of corporates is one big reason.
Forget Hydrogen powered cars, its a joke for people who don't understand
basic physics
Well, maybe. Petroleum will have the edge for another ten years, at least.
Long-term, however, some other energy source will be required. Fuel cells,
or some derivative thereof, may be a possibility. Solar energy for the separation
of water into H and O is free, although the implementation of method is
not.
er . 'White Trashionalist' is a term that has been used since the 90s.
Any basic Google search will confirm this.
If you took off your Gimp suit and got out of the cage once in a while,
you might start to become acquainted with the outside world, and why normal
white people like me avoid you at all costs.
1. Free trade means no tariff risks -- the rich get richer.
2. Immigration lowers labor costs -- the rich get richer.
3. Union busting lowers labor costs -- the rich get richer.
4. Monopolies increase profits directly -- the rich get richer.
5. Healthcare and its associated sub-industries are phenomenally profitable
-- the rich get richer.
I don't deplore the breakup of labor unions since I'm on the capital-management
side. American (and worse, British) labor unions fomented endless trouble
when they were powerful. Just pointing out that union busting obviously
had a major impact.
As for banking, I do support de-cartelisation.
Monopsony power and geographic arbitrage are certainly part of the picture.
Only two in the top ten are in the financial sector, and these days Buffet
is into a lot more than that. No bankers or asset managers.
No shit the rich are getting richer, Sherlock. That isn't the subject
of discussion at all. You're just an idiot like all these other doomerist
clowns.
I'm tired of replying to you morons who don't know shit from shinola.
Sam Shama can deal with you blockheads if he pleases.
You are an idiot. Petroleum will deplete, doofuss. Fuel
cells may be one option, and technologies for producing H from water are
open to development. Solar power has, currently, and I emphasize "currently",
the best profile. Ground-based solar panels are NOT the only option.
Fusion is also a possibility -- dicey, but still a possibility.
Excellent, and predictable! You have declared your expertise to be absolutely
unquestionable, denied all argument to the contrary, and you exit the lists
triumphantly.
SpaceX is obviously being funded by the USG. I can't fly a $25.00 drone
within 1000 yards of any airport, but the government stands by while some
private company flies objects into space? Not buying it.
Those "five things" are concomitant with the massive gains to the financial
sector and increase in its size. That is prima facie evidence right there.
Furthermore, we know financial interests and powerful individuals from the
financial sector have promoted those five things.
I didn't shift goalposts. Wages have stagnated, and so have household
incomes. Household size may have declined, but so what? Most households
used to have one income which was sufficient to support a wife and children.
It's not an example if, as you say, it only happened because of fraud
and illegal activity.
You're the idiot, its possible to buy a fuel cell Mirai in California
now but few people want one because there is no refuelling network, who
wants to buy a car that can't drive anywhere, at the same time the sales
of EVs continue to rise
I NEVER said petroleum would not deplete, but because of fracking its
not something to worry about yet
Using Solar power to create Hydrogen from water is a dumb idea, nobody
who understands the physics would do it, so its you who is the idiot
Forget about Hydrogen powered cars they will NEVER be sold in large numbers
Given my ancestral history, family traditions and values, no. It
has been instilled in me since birth as immoral and dishonorable.
Well, I can understand your tradition but not your perspective. Many
traditions are meant to be broken, but that aside, a hatred for finance,
wilfully conceals from the mind that which is so starkly obvious. None of
what you busy yourself with in your daily life, as in here and now in the
pursuit of keyboard games, would have hardly been possible without modern
finance.
Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, etc all required venture capital and then financial
engineering to get to where they are today. IBM needed the merger of four
companies, public stock issuance with the investment banking talent of Charles
Flint to gain its early incorporation. Do you think all of that would've
been possible without the financial sector? Not a chance.
Take our most gracious host. He is a brilliant man, a trained theoretical
physicist who wrote a piece of great software to value mortgage-backed securities
and then sold his company to another finance company called Moody's to become
independently wealthy. He now uses his wealth to promote free speech – a
very honourable purpose indeed. Hat tip. On occasion, he takes pot shots
at finance; a case, if ever there was one, of the socialite turning up her
nose at the very thing that made her a socialite!
Now, mortgage-backed securities are exactly the sort of financial innovation
that makes finance an indispensable part of any modern economy. How else
could one have high homeownership? This is not to claim that abuses do not
occur. They most certainly do. But show me an abuse-free Industry and I
will gift you a unicorn.
There is plenty of excellent public transit in negro infested cities.
The problem is the negro riders drivers mechanics and managers and heads
of the agencies.
Railroads have been pretty much 100% electrified the whole world over
for nearly 70 years now (except for a handful of tourist and "living museum"
steam trains).
Yet, except for a few very high density traffic segments and where socialist
bureaucracies imposed it such as the old Soviet Union, most railroads still
find it more efficient to have their electric locomotives carry their own
power plants with them than to use and maintain a central grid to provide
power to the locomotives.
Most Countries with modern railroads run electric trains powered by over
head wires, eg the French TGV, German ICE, thats the way any state or private
railway operates if they invest for the longterm
You seem to be talking about Diesel electric, thats something different,
and NO its not more efficient
What that has to do with Tesla, Fuel cells or Hydrogen you neglected
to say
I'd like to see an actual costed bill of materials.
Assuming it's true, it requires $6 billion capex and 150 weeks of 10,000
cars produced per week.
That's half a million cars a year, which of course need to be sold and
serviced. What's the global total addressable market (TAM) for compact executive
sedan (sedan market is crumbling) EVs?
Combined 2017 sales for the BMW 3-series, Mercedes Benz C-class, and
Audi A4 in the USA, Europe, and China was about 975,000 units.
Let's assume the global TAM for compact executive sedans is 2 million
units. Do one quarter of these buyers want EVs? Of those who do, will they
all choose the Model 3? Many, probably most, luxury car buyers have very
poor tolerance for quality and service problems.
And as Tesla also cannot be price competitive in Europe (10% tariff)
or China (25% tariff) without local assembly plants, most of these sales
will have to be made in North America. Countries like Norway are likely
to phase out or reduce their silly EV subsidies, which in any case will
be available to competitors. Tesla can also forget about major sales in
Japan (ever), Korea (ever), or India (without local assembly).
The truck is vaporware, so I wouldn't put much stock in Tesla's claimed
specs.
Most trucking, by ton miles, is long haul trucking.
The claimed 80% range (there will rarely be time to charge to 100%, so
80% "Megacharger" needs to be employed) is only 400 miles. After that, it's
a half-hour recharge.
The Megacharger itself is also dubious–one megawatt is a lot of power.
What kind of electric connectors and safety provisions will be employed?
Musk claims they'll be solar-powered. Really–a one megawatt solar array
at every truck stop? In reality they'll of course be grid connected.
Currently Tesla charges a quarter per kilowatt hour for its supercharger
stations. Based on one megawatt output and 30 minutes charging, the Semi
will take 30,000 kilowatt hour charge. That will cost $7,500. Recharging
from ordinary utility power would "only" cost $3,000.
A new Peterbilt can carry 300 gallons of diesel, which gives a fully
loaded truck a range of 1,800 miles. Filling those two 150 gallon tanks
is only $1,000.
So under realistic conditions energy costs for a new Peterbilt are 34
times lower than the Tesla Semi. Best case conditions, let's say in the
Pacific Northwest on ordinary utility power, "only" ten times.
This isn't like the Model S where recharging it costs you $10 and thus
beats even the most fuel efficient cars on the road.
The basic point that is being missed by this entire discussion is that
the inconvenience of having to plug your car to your house for 4 hours to
"refill" it is worth it only if what you save on gasoline makes the car
cheaper than owning an ICE.
When gasoline is $3 a gallon there are few electric vehicles that can
make this happen. You can get used Nissans for around $10,000.
Theoretically the Tesla Semi needs an 1,100 kwh battery bank.
That's $220 for 400 miles on the "Megacharger"–about the same as the
Peterbilt.
So energy cost is at parity. Range however is shorter and capex is higher
(battery alone almost as much as a new Peterbilt). Given Tesla's quality
issues, opex almost certainly higher as well.
Diesel trucks also have a lot more room to improve their energy efficiency.
There are for instance no hybrid semi trucks with regenerative braking yet,
but there will be. Trucks could also employ combined cycle engines, which
aren't practical in passenger cars owing to space issues.
In other words electric trucks only make good sense for niche applications
like port trucking and inner cities with air pollution concerns. They might
of course be mandated.
The recharging issue doesn't seem like a big deal for typical car users,
who mostly just commute and run errands. Just plug it in at night. If you
want to take a road trip, rent a car.
But they're not suitable for people like me, who need to drive hundreds
of miles (or longer) at a stretch a few times per month.
There's also a hard ceiling on how many EVs can be sold beyond that.
You have the "what if" buyers (look at all the people who buy trucks just
in case they need to move a buddy's couch), and then you have the gasoline-fueled
gearheads who hate EVs and refuse to buy them (also me).
In China it seems likely EVs will be mandated, but will this happen elsewhere?
Britain and France mandating 100% EV sales by 2040 is a joke–like government
policy won't be altered in a 22 year timespan.
Well, I can understand your tradition but not your perspective.
Perspective? Hatred? Where do you get this stuff?
I've been around for a few years, worked for large and small corporations,
in small towns and large metroplexes, from mailroom to CIO. I have yet to
encounter a professional in the "finance" industry who was, or is, an honest
man. You certainly have the option to pursue such a career. I choose not
to.
The financial sector makes billions from student loans used to pay tuition
to the educational racketeers.
Union busting was part of the corporate raising of the pension funds
and the corporate raiders who acquired and disassembled the big corporations
The .50 . 35 zoro interest rates are an evil thing done by the financial
sector. I don't know the motivation of that but zero interest rates are
definitely the fault of the financial sector
AGREE. An all-electric sedan is next on our list and perfectly fits our
needs.
Also, it seems that some EVs around here come with lease offers as good
as internal-combustion vehicles. So I'm not sure that the upfront cost is
greater all the time.
Using Solar power to create Hydrogen from water is a dumb idea, nobody
who understands the physics would do it, so its you who is the idiot
When petroleum depletes, how long will coal and NG last, whether for
power plants or hydrogen production? The remaining choices will be solar,
nuclear, or fusion -- all for electric power.
What's it going to be? Personally, I have a sneaky suspicion that somewhere
in flyover country a lot of progress is being made on laser-controlled fusion,
or some combo of magnetic bottle and laser.
What's more, I'll bet that we won't see a replacement power source until
some entity, under any of many names, is going to make a lot of money with
it.
The recharging issue doesn't seem like a big deal for typical car
users, who mostly just commute and run errands. Just plug it in at night.
If you want to take a road trip, rent a car.
Actually refueling is an inconvenience for me, it'd be simpler to just
plug it in for the night. Except, of course, on longer trips.
Regarding longer trips, currently it's difficult with an electric vehicle.
But maybe in a couple decades ranges will be double what they are, and most
drivers need stops after 500 kilometers to eat and go to the bathroom anyway.
So I guess fully electric vehicles will be fully usable for most users.
I suspect internal combustion engines will be prohibited from entering
a number of rich NIMBY localities. So eventually you will need a hybrid
with a fully electric mode to be able to go to some of your destinations.
Fully gasoline cars will therefore have only limited utility. A lot of people
will buy the cheaper electric only versions, and eventually these will be
the only versions on offer.
This will also be a reason for the electric trucks. Already electric
trolley-buses (often with batteries) are popular in cities. No one likes
diesel smoke, who wants his children to inhale it? Prohibiting diesel or
even all ICE vehicles will increase real estate prices. So local governments
will have an incentive to do that. Legally it's already possible in Germany,
and I suspect it will be possible elsewhere, too. Even the threat of it
was enough to drastically reduce demand for diesel cars in Europe. Once
demand is reduced, the incentive to develop them will be weaker, and eventually
they will be abandoned.
But the big picture is that there are at least 200 million regularly
used passenger vehicles in the United States. I actually look the exact
numbers up occasionally when I do the math. Maybe it is 300 million.
Every year, between 12 and 16 million new vehicles are added to this
and an equal number scrapped.
The buyers you describe are a tiny minority of this total.
We have to also consider the number of urban dwellers who wish to own
a car, but park on the street in places like Boston and for whom plugging
a car in overnight may be a serious issue.
And also there will be the undoubtedly growing number of Uber-type vehicles.
I foresee the EV market as being primarily of a luxury/toy character
for the next decade with an undeterminable number of taxi/fleet/Uber vehicles
added.
Tesla will most likely be a failure in this environment.
The Treasury Department made a profit on the bailout.
That's what they tell us. They always try to bullshit us.
Foreign aid is much lower than it was during the golden days of the
middle class, and it's paid out of tax revenues (and bond sales) which
are primarily paid by the wealthy.
And where do the wealthy get their money? At whose expense do they obtain
their monopolies and monopsonies and oligopolies and oligopsonies?
Do you really not think the US is devolving into a 2 class society?
Perceptive people have been noticing its development for a long time.:
I witnessed the momentous changes and participated
in them. While they were occurring I saw something
else that filled me with dread. I saw the government
of the United States enter into a struggle with the
trusts, the railroads and the banks, and I watched while
the business forces won the contest. I saw the forms
of republican government decay through disuse, and I
saw them betrayed by the very men who were sworn
to preserve and uphold them. I saw the empire of
business, with its innumerable ramifications, grow up
around and above the structure of government.
- R. F. PETTIGREW, TRIUMPHANT PLUTOCRACY, The Story ofAmerican Public
Life from 1870 to 1920.
Here's something more recent, although Pettigrew's comment still applies.:
Men haven't got the freedom today that they had when the Constitution
was written In that time, men could go into their own business. They
could follow farming and they could do this and that. Today, young men
in college are not planning on individual development, as much as getting
a job. They have someone else raise the money, and then they do the
work. And men haven't the freedom because big business doesn't give
it to them.
Your second attempt is far better but you're still too high on the recharge
cost, have another go at it
After that try to figure out the difference in maintenance costs over
the life of the truck, if you can get these numbers right it will start
to make sense to you
There are hundreds of thousands shares of TSLA available for short and
the short fee rate was 3.14% at the end of Friday (2018-06-01), is this
article a short pump like Muddy Water kind of analysis?
Yeah I do see your point on fusion, its only a matter of time before
some nerd or a group of nerds crack it, but I suspect the future will be
powered by Solar PV, the cost keeps dropping and its easy and quick to install
That's what they tell us. They always try to bullshit us.
If you don't accept the audited figures of the Treasury Department, it's
not possible to discuss TARP's profitability unless you have other figures
which suggest the government suffered a loss.
Which in macroeconomic terms wouldn't have been a bad thing at the time
(stimulus), but certainly would increase the injustice.
And where do the wealthy get their money? At whose expense do they
obtain their monopolies and monopsonies and oligopolies and oligopsonies?
#1 – Software, specifically PC operating systems and office software
#2 – Online retail and webhosting
#3 – Investing, largest operations being manufacturing, transportation (BNSF),
and insurance
#4 – Social media (advertising)
#5 – Enterprise software (databases)
#6 – Diversified, but mostly energy
#8 – Financial news
#9 – Search (advertising)
#10 – Search (advertising)
I can go into more detail on each.
Bill Gates: IBM fucked up and let him own DOS
Jeff Bezos: Raised capital from venture capital and an IPO, financed
expansion thereafter out of cashflow. Net worth is also inflated based on
an unrealistic expectation of hockey stick earnings trajectory.
Suckerberg: Stole the idea from the Winkelvoss twins, raised capital
from VC. Lucked out when MySpace turned into a black ghetto.
Larry Ellison: Unsure if VC was involved, IPO in '86 was essential.
Came out with the best database during the critical 90s
Bloomberg: Came out with a superior product for traders who had
never used computers before
Page & Brin: Superior search product, raised seed money through
VC, universities, and military-industrial complex
The people who "suffer"? Consumers and competitors. Though hard to see
how Jeff Bezos harms consumers. Likewise the real consumers of Facebook
and Google (advertisers) don't suffer either (the suckers who use the platforms
are a different story).
Do you really not think the US is devolving into a 2 class society?
When did I say it isn't? Might be more than two classes, but I basically
agree and so do the data.
Pettigrew describes a time which is somewhat like our own.
As for Rankin, blaming "Big Business" for this is more or less a tautology.
The idealized freedom of early America was possible because of the boundless
amounts of land. Capital tends to concentration, and this wasn't actually
a novel observation by Marx. People have known this for thousands of years.
The mid-20th century was an odd time of relative egalitarianism which
developed out of unique historical conditions. It's not likely to be repeated.
manorchurch, the other day you kindly promised to ignore me in the future.
Please abide by it, or at least refrain from answering my comments, if all
you have to offer is name-calling. Thank you.
Let's start at home, in DETROIT, where apparently this writer has never
visited except on the pages of Car & Driver. Roger Smith? Are you kidding?
Detroit is the world capital of incompetence. Roger Smith? Why not Ford's
"genius" Donald Petersen (who publicly admitted being a Mensa member)?
I sold robots to Detroit in the 80's. If you never entered an assembly
plant or parts plant, you should shut the fuck up about what they were then
or now. I have dealt with every type of manufacturing and most types of
service company in my career, none have been remotely as dysfunctional as
auto manufacturing.
Re Tesla, yes, the Model 3 is following the Model X and original Roadster
into a crapfest. But the fanboys don't care. The Model S can still smoke
a Ferrari in the 1/4mi. So the pop media will continue giving Musk a pass
and the gearheads (real ones anyway) will continue to marvel (but probably
never buy). I would be shocked if our pathetic anarcho-tyrannical government
found the balls to call Musk on his shenanigans especially given its own
shenanigans with Government Motors and the UAW.
You mention Ford Europe but not GM (Opel & Vauxhall), wonder why..
Bob Lutz? The dude's like 90 now. Come on. I can walk to his house and
see if he knows whether he's home or not if it helps. But I haven't seen
him on a motorcycle in years or flying for years and those are his passions
in life.
And Ford? Have you ever really looked at the results of a feng shui Chairman
on an industrial company like ole Henry built? The apples have fallen very
far from the tree. Handing the reigns to Mark Field, who lives in Naples,
Florida, was a typically incompetent move by feng shui Billy (the landscaping
at his house occupies him apparently more than the functionality of his
great grandfathers company). Put it like this, Ford is every bit as competently
run as it's sister company the Detroit Lions. Class B stock!
The only things I can endorse in this piece are (1) Toyota has its shit
together more than Detroit (or Honda apparently given their incompetence
in F1), and (2) electrics will not fully replace internal combustion without
government mandates (what kind of idiot would buy a Model S over the slower
Ferrari V12s)?
Tesla Tier 2 Supercharger cost is 25 cents a kilowatt hour in most states.
What's wrong with the figure?
In theory an EV has lower maintenance costs owing to the absence of an
internal combustion engine and complex transmission. In practice Teslas
have higher maintenance costs than conventional vehicles owing to their
poor quality control.
Let's start at home, in DETROIT, where apparently this writer has
never visited except on the pages of Car & Driver. Roger Smith? Are
you kidding? Detroit is the world capital of incompetence. Roger Smith?
By your own admission, Elon Musk chose to copy Roger Smith's disastrous
manufacturing strategy of the 1980s. It's likely he had never heard of this,
as if he had he would not have proceeded with the "alien dreadnought".
Why not Ford's "genius" Donald Petersen (who publicly admitted being
a Mensa member)?
During Petersen's time in the Ford C-suite the company introduced the
Taurus, Escort (North America), and Explorer.
I sold robots to Detroit in the 80's. If you never entered an assembly
plant or parts plant, you should shut the fuck up about what they were
then or now. I have dealt with every type of manufacturing and most
types of service company in my career, none have been remotely as dysfunctional
as auto manufacturing.
I have visited a number of assembly plants.
Probably a salesman (actually, a lot of salesmen) thirty years younger
than you sold robots to Musk.
The global auto industry, warts and all, produced almost one hundred
million cars last year. What other industry produces complex machines on
such a massive scale?
You mention Ford Europe but not GM (Opel & Vauxhall), wonder why..
I'm well aware GM gave up on Europe. None the less "New GM" has posted
a cumulative of $70 billion in profits since it and Tesla IPO'd in the same
year.
Bob Lutz? The dude's like 90 now. Come on. I can walk to his house
and see if he knows whether he's home or not if it helps. But I haven't
seen him on a motorcycle in years or flying for years and those are
his passions in life.
Other than the hybrid diversion (last thing Tesla needs), what about
this is wrong?
And Ford? Have you ever really looked at the results of a feng shui
Chairman on an industrial company like ole Henry built? The apples have
fallen very far from the tree. Handing the reigns to Mark Field, who
lives in Naples, Florida, was a typically incompetent move by feng shui
Billy (the landscaping at his house occupies him apparently more than
the functionality of his great grandfathers company). Put it like this,
Ford is every bit as competently run as it's sister company the Detroit
Lions. Class B stock!
Bill Ford is indeed a dipshit. He's even a vegan .
None the less Ford manages to build six million cars a year and has vast
resources.
As you allude to later, it's not just Ford and GM. There are lots
of automakers with vast resources.
The only things I can endorse in this piece are (1) Toyota has its
shit together more than Detroit (or Honda apparently given their incompetence
in F1), and (2) electrics will not fully replace internal combustion
without government mandates (what kind of idiot would buy a Model S
over the slower Ferrari V12s)?
Toyota is late to the EV party. But I have a feeling it won't take them
long to catch up with their eleven-figure annual profits and $25 billion
in the bank.
Its wrong because you assume the Megachargers will be priced the same,
we don't know this yet
Second I suspect most of the trucks will be charged over night for far
less than 25cents per kilowatt, the Tesla truck will easily beat Diesel
trucks on running costs, no doubt about that IMO, thats why Tesla have over
2000 orders, the industry won't be slow to dump the ICE
with Tesla any brand its a bad idea to buy the
first cars built, wait for six months or a year until they have fixed
all the problems, after that I think the quality is far better
FIFY
BTW, you can see this play out in the market if you watch the manufacturer
auctions. Look at the number of manufacturer buyback units in the lanes.
But, true, we don't know what the price will be yet.
If charged overnight you're right, though again those trucks won't come
from Tesla.
Diesel trucks could match these energy costs by adopting combined cycle
hybrid powertrains, and perhaps moving to natural gas. Of course then the
upfront capital cost advantage presumably disappears.
The "orders" (truck is vaporware and will never enter production) might
be down to running costs, but don't forget hype and trend following.
Charlie Munger likes to talk about when in the 80s Exxon bought a fertilizer
company. All of the other oil majors followed and bought their own fertilizer
plants. It turned into a fiasco.
Tesla and SpaceX are the shiny stars of the American technology, it cannot
fail in front of the rising power of China. Most of the Americans believe
in that and pinning their hope on Musk to turn Make American Great dream
come true.
I don't think it fair to call the Megachargers vapourware, they will
be built
Why won't the Tesla trucks be charged over night ?
ah OK you think the whole thing is never going to happen, fair enough
only time will tell I suppose, but if Tesla show even a small profit by
the end of the year they will last until 2019 and we will see the trucks
on the road
Second I suspect most of the trucks will be charged over night for
far less than 25cents per kilowatt, the Tesla truck will easily beat
Diesel trucks on running costs, no doubt about that IMO, thats why Tesla
have over 2000 orders, the industry won't be slow to dump the ICE
They need to develop roadside swappable batteries or inductive charging
while underway before we see OTR tractor widespread adoption. 2K units is
nothing in that market. And unlike early adopters of electric autos, early
adopters of electric tractors will be betting their livelihood on the reliability
of the machine and range is a much bigger issue since even city trucks are
frequently run all day every day. Also, have they come up with reefer trailers
(or boxes) yet?
SpaceX is very different to Tesla, Teslas future is in doubt, SpaceX
clearly lead the world in rocket technology, most people think Musk is bullshitting
about sending people to Mars but he's well on the way now, the only company
close to SpaceX is Blue Origin and they won't reach orbit until 2020 if
it all goes well for them
Has anyone seen a Tesla Megacharger? It doesn't exist. Hence it's vaporware.
That doesn't mean it couldn't be built or anything, obviously there's nothing
intrinsically impossible about producing a megawatt charger.
Why won't the Tesla trucks be charged over night ?
My prediction is that long haul trucking will move towards using trucks
24 hours a day once self-driving technology gets good enough and the human
driver can sleep on the road. Letting a truck sit overnight is such a waste.
Alternatively fleets can swap drivers, but obviously that's a bit complicated
which is why it's not really done now. Plus in North America at least most
trucks are owner-operated (different in Europe of course, don't know how
it works in Asia).
ah OK you think the whole thing is never going to happen, fair enough
only time will tell I suppose, but if Tesla show even a small profit
by the end of the year they will last until 2019 and we will see the
trucks on the road
Tesla has already admitted the truck is not currently under "active development",
which gets to the heart of the problem of the company. They've obviously
proven they can engineer great products and have tremendous star power,
but they're not very good at anything else.
Based on Tesla's production track record it's exceedingly unlikely they'll
post a profit at the end of this year.
That's not to say there won't be electric trucks. You've already made
a great case as to why there will be electric trucks.
The suicidal Tesla was a convert to Islam. Belgium's full of them. Lucky
that it did not try to board a train like that crazy shooter in the Clint
Eastwood film.
True enough, but they have a very monopolistic look about them. On the
one hand monopolies are great (very profitable) but on the other, they allow
price gouging since there's no competition – hence the legislation.
Monopolies can delay the fateful day by buying politicians ( the present
bought and paid for Congress), but longer term they need a dictatorship
(of the proletariat, of big business, or Counter Culturals or Zionists or
anything really) to shut down the public, with some kind of "Homeland Security"
to detain dissidents.
This is where we are now, with the antidote being the breakup of the
Union. Each Federal State fixes its own spending, taxation and debt issuance
(disowning the FED), and requires by law, active citizen participation and
voting to determine policy (e.g. no votes or budget for an Iran war).
I agree that the mid 20th century middle working class was anomaly that
will never be repeated unless a miracle happens and the US population goes
down to 20o million
As if mortgage finance preceded people living in homes. And forget all
the bullshit spewed about how much home ownership is indispensable for a
society: American culture (people enjoying the actual way they live) was
far better pre-1900 than it is today.
One additional nail in Tesla's coffin could conceivably come from the
failure of Global Warming to materialize as predicted. Indeed, the 17-year-long
'pause' in global warming continues, even though the amount of CO2 in the
Earth's atmosphere is now beyond 400 ppm.
Yet, to date, there have been no environmental catastrophies tied to
anthropogenic global warming. Dire predictions from the 'warmist community'
have been a bust.
Keep in mind also that the natural forces and variables that steer our
planet's climate and weather are immense and, in some cases, not fully understood.
Mysteries abound. The interactive effects of these natural forces are chaotic,
unpredictable, and presently beyond the reach of even any supercomputer.
Climate mysteries continue.
If catastrophic, anthropogenic global warming does not arrive as predicted
(very possible) then the carbon taxes and pro-EV tax breaks might come to
a sudden and surprising halt. This will further undermine Tesla's rent-seeking
economic strategy.
It seems Tesla is going to defile the name of famous inventor? His name
shall be the synonym for the smart selling of sweet foam, in an extremely
advanced packaging. Will the Tesla family sue EM for this shame?
By your own admission, Elon Musk chose to copy Roger Smith's disastrous
manufacturing strategy of the 1980s. It's likely he had never heard
of this, as if he had he would not have proceeded with the "alien dreadnought".
Not at all. Smith's epic failure wasn't in attempting to automate, but
in attempting to change Detroit. The robots weren't the problem. They put
wheels on cars and torqued the lug nuts. They welded panels. They tacked
off primed bodies before being painted. They applied paint and clear coat.
The problem was in the laborers who worked the floor and sabotaged the robots
or simply just didn't do their jobs.
I've seen hundreds of auto workers asleep on the assembly line. Asleep.
Or nodding off on dope. Massive signs in Ford bathrooms "employees caught
using drugs on premise will be referred". Books have surely been written
on the insanity of the UAW. If not, there's a mountain of material just
waiting.
I had constant customer calls in the 80's about workers screwing up my
robots and destroying both units on the line as well as severely damaging
my machines, taking them out of operation (and thus stopping the line) until
I could send crews to fix them. Routine maintenance wasn't done either and
fully half the machines were less than useless at any given time, resulting
in rework rates that were no better than before the machines were installed.
Electric vehicles are a more energy efficient form of transport, so it
will be cheaper in the long-term scale – whether there is man-made global
warming or not. There would be less chance for subsidies in the latter case,
but the intrinsically more energy efficient transport will eventually win
on costs without subsidies.
Although main advantage in my opinion is more simply moving emission
fumes away from population centers.
Alternatively fleets can swap drivers, but obviously that's a bit
complicated which is why it's not really done now. Plus in North America
at least most trucks are owner-operated (different in Europe of course,
don't know how it works in Asia).
Driving teams are common as chrome in the OTR biz. It's another major
obstacle for electrics as a diesel fill takes 20 minutes and the rig is
back on the road with one team member snoozing in the sleeper and one behind
the wheel. JIT manufacturing and produce demand it.
Self driving OTR tractors are an interesting subject. Who will insure
them? Private auto liability is one thing, company owned tractors are another.
My belief is that government would have to step in and limit liability claims
against AI drivers for this to ever work. And with the Democratic Party
run by trial lawyers
"Elon Musk is now warning that unless we want to become these computer's
"pets", we must ourselves merge with AI (artificial intelligence). Intel
says that by 2020 human brains will contain chips which will run the computers
to "prevent" this AI takeover.
These kinds of fear-provoking statements reflect the old Masonic project
advancement technique of problem-reaction-solution, or Ordo Ab Chao (Order
out of Chaos). They first create a problem, then fix it with a Draconian
solution which will advance their Great Work of Ages or New World Order."
Yes, thank you. It was one of the very central ideas Krugman wanted to
drive home, particularly for David Brooks' readership.
You insist on calling it funny, which is your prerogative. A sense of
humour is rather a personal taste, and I do understand your position. Better
than you or I go into the same routine, it might better serve purposes to
take a squint at some of the top comments:
Ron Mitchell
Dubin, CAAug. 21, 2015
Times Pick
Our Federal Budget is around $3.5 Trillion. Our GDP (national income) is
around $20 Trillion. Our nations net worth (savings and investments) is
around $80 Trillion. There is plenty of money available to borrow. If Growth
exceeds investments then the nation makes a profit.
122 Recommend
Joe From Boston
MassachusettsAug. 21, 2015
Times Pick
For all those fiscal conservative who have a big problem with government
debt (but who assure us that the government should behave like our individual
households), consider this:
Private debt for economically sound purposes, like buying a home or building
a business, that are expected to provide an economic return, are reasonable
debts.
Private debt for reasons that have, or are expected to provide, no economic
return, like going on a fancy vacation, are not reasonable debts if they
endanger one's ability to pay them back. I was raised with the precept that
"if you can't afford it, don't buy it."
Can you conservatives kindly explain why debt to build infrastructure
that we clearly need, like roads, bridges, the tunnel under the Hudson for
Amtrak, and so forth, are UNREASONABLE? They will generate an excess economic
return, as history has shown, for example with the interstate road system
and the railroads. They will also generate jobs that can only be performed
by local personnel, typically AMERICANS
David desJardins
Burlingame CAAug. 21, 2015
Times Pick
Maybe we should also mention that the balance sheet of the US government
is strongly positive. The tangible assets it owns (even ignoring future
tax revenue) are worth much more than its debt. Calling the government broke
is like calling a homeowner broke because he has a $1 million mortgage on
his $3 million home.
Other than the hybrid diversion (last thing Tesla needs), what about
this is wrong?
Um, $2/gal gas?
Detroit does this again and again and again. They were too stupid to
see that the Minority Mortgage Meltdown (TM Steve Sailer) would stuff their
business model. Too stupid to see that rising fuel prices would stuff their
reliance on pickups and body-on-frame SUVs for profitability. Too stupid
to see that models like the Taurus, apparently designed solely for fleet
sales, were unwanted by consumers who preferred the reliability of a Camry.
In the mid 2000's, dealers were dumping MSO SUV units at auction below factory
invoice – years before the financial collapse.
GM's recent profits are entirely at the expense of communities hosting
derelict abandoned toxic sites that were formerly GM factories as well as
non-UAW labor retirees who lost everything. Thanks Obola Feral Government.
No matter, Detroit incompetence will restore the status quo soon enough.
Saturn 2 maybe? A new, new type of car company..
Fuel prices are heading sharply back north at the same time the manufacturers
are abandoning sedans for SUVs and crossovers. Future "clunkers" when that
Feral program is rebooted.
As for the rush to EVs, it's ONLY due to Tesla's market valuation that
Detroit is producing crap like Volt/Bolt. I've seen Ford admit this and
I'm sure GM is on the same wavelength since independent thought in Detroit
died the day Heinz Prechter blew his brains out. Soon enough I expect to
see local storage lots filled with Bolt/Volt/Jolt/Dolt models just like
they used to be filled with EV-1s.
Since the comments have gone off topic, let me expound on a proposal
I submitted in 2001. I believe there is a low tech device that can be used
to generate electricity from fusion.
Build a "box" big enough and strong enough to contain a full blown thermal
nuclear explosion.
Such a box could also generate electricity from the permanent disposal
of high level nuclear waste such as spent fuel rods.
If you insist, I'll publish the proposal and some of the responses.
Those people you list owe their fortunes to network effect monopolies.
Their fortunes are based on rent-seeking due to the network effect aka network
externality aka natural monopoly.
A tax on net assets at a rate equal to the rate of interest on the national
debt that eliminates other forms of taxation will mitigate this private
sector rent seeking and help restore the egalitarian middle class society
of the mid 20th century.
The economic damage to the middle and working classes have been caused
by five things
No. Those things worsen the situation but are more or less reversible.
What is really painful and persists generation after generation is the cyclical
nature of our economic pattern of growth. When financial bubbles periodically
collapse they cause a great deal of human suffering, even to the rich, but
I don't believe that there is any natural law that demands that economic
growth must proceed through cycles of general expansion and general collapse.
At the same time, these "business cycles" of bubbles and crashes are difficult
to imagine in a world without fractional reserve banking.
Now, I don't know what the exact disadvantages of a full reserve banking
system would be. My knowledge is limited and I haven't had the time to think
or read about it in depth. But I get the impression that academics mostly
avoid discussing this issue. The fractional reserve banking issue is generally
(though not always) brought up by Libertarians so some appear to consider
it an unworthy matter of debate. Still, if we could manage to avoid the
plague of economic crises and depressions, we would all be much better off,
regardless of all those income distributions trends.
I iike the way Aldrin was physically attacking a 'Moon-landings never
happened' type some years ago.
OTOH, unlike your other intelocutor, I find the arguments interesting.
You use a very weak point, once out of the Earth's gravity well, it is
taking little energy to go further.
More interesting is that all of the Apollo astronauts (except the ones
burnt on the launch pad) had relatively long lives.
As you also say, why no radiation effects?
I have a nice program on my phone, from Russia, it is a 'day of the ISS'.
When I am watching it, I try to study Russian Cyrillic, but also thinking
'this looks like a space-ship, but it is not going anywhere, except low
orbit.'
Roscosmos was offering an Apollo 8 style flight around the Moon on a
modern Soyuz for many years, of course, very expensive, but well within
the means of space-fan tech billionaires and many others
No such flight was ever booked, surprising to me, and it is no longer
on offer, AFAIK.
Why?
Unlike you, I won't say 'the Moon landings never happened', but
Hell, O.J.Simpson did a Moon-landimg in Capricorn 1、
Another reason Tesla is a failed business model and always was, as any
auto manufacturing start-up would be at this juncture, is the fact that
as a species Human has reached Peak Mobility. We're on the downside of Mobility
now due to resource constraints. Mobility from here on out will only increase
in virtual world electronically via bits & bytes. And hey, they're working
on Teleportation so who knows, in 40 years Scotty may be beaming us to the
gold mines in the Congo where we can direct the African slaves digging away
in the dirt to exactly which nuggets we want for our gold toilets.
EVs have had forever now to prove themselves and sorry, it's just never
going to happen. The next latest & greatest technology related to Mobility
is in The Pipeline and EVs were squashed by the auto manufacturers for far
too long to the point it missed the Opportunity Window for scalable implementation.
If the Elite want the next latest & greatest in Mobility Technology,
they're going to have to pay dearly for it rather than doing what they've
done in the past and roll out scalable perverted facsimiles of the technology
to the masses in order to subsidize their Bells & Whistles versions. That
can't & won't happen with this next wave of cutting edge Mobility Technology.
It will be for the Elite only, and the Elite will have to pay dearly for
it.
The Working Class was, and still is, its own worst enemy. It bought into
the Myth that their Precious Little Darlings were all Einsteins waiting
to Self-Actualize and so they spent gobs of their hard-earned money to send
those Precious Little Darlings to University to kick-start that process
of Einsteinatization.
Guess what? It never materialized. Surprise-Surprise!!! Their Precious
Little Darlings, as it turns out, weren't Einsteins afterall, but instead
Unremarkable Cube Monkeys, Corporate Catamites if you will, with worthless
diplomas versus diploma-less Factory Floor Workers with the only difference
being, as a Cube Monkey you get to press the Internet Levers all day as
a perk and if you press the right ones, you get a banana, a rarity, if you're
lucky.
How did The Working Class expect to maintain itself if the jobs it was
working weren't good enough for the Little Einsteins it was raising? By
virtue of this fact, it forfeited any right to complain about its jobs disappearing
since it fueled the demand-destruction of those jobs in mythologically believing
its progeny were too good for such ignoble endeavors.
You use a very weak point, once out of the Earth's gravity well,
it is taking little energy to go further.
The point is that near Earth orbit is still within the gravity
well; reaching Earth orbit takes only a small fraction of the energy required
to actually leave the well.
As you also say, why no radiation effects?
Not necessarily radiation effects, but lunar missions should have resulted
in measurably higher readings on the dosimeters than Earth orbit missions.
Bicycles are the only advancement in human transportation.
Cars are actually slower. Slow as walking.
The model American puts in 1600 hours to get 7500 miles: less than
five miles per hour. In countries deprived of a transportation industry,
people manage to do the same, walking wherever they want to go, and
they allocate only 3 to 8 percent of their society's time budget to
traffic instead of 28 percent.
I salute your inventiveness, Mark. However, I believe the "thermonuclear
containment box", while useful for small applications, produces a mere googol
of terawatts over a 1500-year lifetime of power production.
Compare that trivial output to that of the "Congress-critter containment
box", which produces a googolplex of terawatts over an eternal lifetime.
I think you'll agree that nothing matches the pure heat output of massed
Congressional representatives. Throw in their loyal staffs, and the people
of Earth could spend weekends in the Andromeda galaxy, while never lacking
for air-conditioning.
But, do keep inventing, Mark. And send a few bucks every week to your
loyal, hard-working Congressperson.
The roof tiles raised some eye brows here in Wales. Tata Steel (& predecessors)
has been developing them for over 10 years. The problem is not a PV layer.
The problem is that 20 years of neglect on a roof requires very good coating
technology. Even coloured tiles, where Tata is teçhnical leader, are quite
demanding. Very few good players.
The electricity that EV's consume will have been subject to large conversion
losses and large transmission losses. Overall natural gas well/çoal mine
to rubber on the road needs economic renewables or baseload nukes to make
sense.
Biological hydrogen (think methane and ammonia) is the likely route if
hydrogen ever becomes economic. There are production sites now and a UK
railway company plans fuel cell locomotives shortly. That said locos are
going out of fashion in favour of mixed multiple units, Japanese style (electric
or diesel under every alternate cars). No good for a US freight railway.
Electric trucks are a particularly dumb idea other than niche applications
like port trucking (where you could just build a narrow gauge railroad
instead)
.
The electric trucks will start at the port like the containers did, then
spread out with the help of rebuilt hiway systems dedicated to that development
I think. Steel rails were great in their day, (before there was digital
systems to guide vehicles precisely and reliably,) that is what they do
by restraining the wheels to a particular long pre-established rote path.
(Some switching is allowed, little as possible.)
Rubber tire is king now. Check out the robots in this video of automatic
port.
Not how all the wheels steer for tight turning, and they are slow for
now, but will speed up later.
New rail road loading/discharge near the ships are automated too, double
stacked etc.
Narrow gauge is for mines in the old days, and amusement parks.
And they are expected to last a lot longer so amortization will be over
20+ years. Which is why they may become taxis for the masses while only
the rich, the rural and petrolheads own personal vehicles.
Electric motor is (a lot) more efficient at converting electrical energy
to mechanical energy, than internal combustion engine conversion of the
chemical energy in hydrocarbon, into thermal energy, into mechanical energy
.
You're right, there is a trick here.
The electrical energy itself has to be produced (and transported and
stored).
But natural gas, coal, fuel oil, and even petroleum electricity generation,
then to electric motor, is still not only a much more efficient energy conversion
process (than the ICE), but there are far more various sources– while sources
of petroleum are limited, and in many places require long transportation
to even get to the market.
The funny part is that, even with an extra step forward and a step backward,
petroleum electricity generation, to the electric motor, will still be more
efficient use of petrol to mechanical energy conversion (as far efficiency
of the initial power station conversion is so much better than the engine
in the car).
And we can already see reflected in the market the end of the whole comparison
– in lower costs per kilometer traveled in an electric vehicle than an internal
combustion engine powered vehicle.
On second thought, your objection to my gravity argument has merit –
I neglected the kinetic energy of the Earth orbit, which already amounts
to roughly one half of the energy required to leave Earth's gravity. Still,
if we assume roughly equal energy expenditure for reaching Earth orbit and
for going from there to the moon, then there remains a noticeable discrepancy
between 1/25 payload to Earth orbit and 1/3 payload from Earth orbit to
moon.
Biological hydrogen (think methane and ammonia) is the likely route
if hydrogen ever becomes economic.
I'm inclined to agree, emphasis on "if" hydrogen becomes the default.
There's power options enough for surface transportation and domestic
electric grid. As I said, I really do suspect there is a fusion power method
that will manifest itself when outages begin, and mucho money can be made.
Have you any thoughts on a replacement aircraft fuel?
One question I had in mind is what Model 3 owners think of their cars.
I mean, those whose cars haven't crashed yet, which is the vast majority.
One annoying stereotype is that Tesla owners are like vegans or crossfit
enthusiasts, they just can't stop talking about their hobby. This is actually
a good thing for the company. Its owners destroy their own reputations to
enhance that of the company. Nassim Taleb wrote that he bought a Tesla after
his neighbor has had one for a couple years and was still enthusiastic about
it.
The electricity that EV's [sic] consume will have been subject to
large conversion losses and large transmission losses.
Y es, this is an intractable problem that is further complicated
by inefficiencies introduced to the electrical grid by intermittent, unreliable
power sources such as wind turbines and solar arrays. It's like using a
very long, leaky hose on a gas pump to fill your tank. Some of the fuel
just spills on the ground, and never makes it to your car, but you
we pay for it anyway.
Batteries remain the other big problem with EVs. Current battery technology
does not give EVs adequate range to make them practical for anything but
local errands and light commuting. In addition, lithium ion batteries are
dirty to produce, but since most of the production is done off shore and
out of sight in China, the Greenies with more money than common sense
can feel all virtuous and superior hauling groceries -- or zipping out
to Starbucks for a frothy latte -- in their pricey EV.
Coal is our most abundant fuel. There may be several hundred years
worth of coal reserves , but green propaganda has convinced many scientific
ignoramuses that coal is too dirty to burn because it supposedly contributes
to a build-up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and that might lead to
runaway global warming where Earth could become like Venus.
Wc can thank Carl Sagan for some of that runaway science fiction.
The United States has about 25% of the world's proven coal reserves.
We could probably be entirely energy efficient if we burned our coal, which
can be done cleanly and efficiently in modern coal-fired power plants with
scrubbers and other technology to remove pollution.
Irrespective of the EPA's idiotic proclamations, CO₂ is not a pollutant.
However, carbon dioxide does help plants grow bigger and better while requiring
less H₂O, which is the reason many greenhouse operators elevate the CO₂
levels in their growing enclosures for a real greenhouse effect from the
mighty molecule.
In the meanwhile, the so-called "renewable" energy sources like wind
turbines and solar arrays can't carry their own weight, and must rely on
back-up conventional power plants fired by coal, oil, natural gas, or nuclear
fission for when the wind doesn't blow, and the sun doesn't shine. Even
with big loans and subsidies, operations like Solyndra have gone belly up,
costing taxpayers $535 million for that single boondoggle alone, thanks
to the poor man's friend waging his war on coal, Barrack Obama.
But of course, thorium reactors that will fit in the trunk of your EV
are coming real soon now , so there's a real hot tip for all
you stock market tycoons looking to make a bundle; just be careful where
you stick it.
The biogenic origin of oil is a theory. The competing abiotic or abiogenic
theory of the origin of petroleum argues that oil is produced naturally
in the bowels of the Earth, and wells up toward the surface where it accumulates
in the so-called reservoir rocks, or formations.
A mangled version of the abiogenic origin of oil was offered to the West
by Thomas Gold, but most of the original work was done by Russians and Ukrainians
during the Soviet era based on theories originally espoused by Von Humbolt,
Mendeleev, and others in the 19th century.
(Grammar note: Never use apostrophe+s -- ('s) -- to form plural
of nouns in English, except when forming the plural of lower case letters,
like p's and q's).
The biogenic origin of oil is a theory. The competing abiotic or
abiogenic theory of the origin of petroleum argues that oil is produced
naturally in the bowels of the Earth, and wells up toward the surface
where it accumulates in the so-called reservoir rocks, or formations.
Jeeze, bullshit doth verily abound. Petroleum is composed of organic
compounds from the breakdown of plants. First thing abiotic theory must
produce is an explanation of how rocks deep in the mantle manage to produce
organic compounds containing eukaryotic DNA.
how rocks deep in the mantle manage to produce organic compounds
containing eukaryotic DNA
I t's not a very strong argument. There are heat-loving microbes
that consume oil -- and some kind of microbe eats virtually everything else
-- so finding organic remains within the oil is no great surprise, and even
if they don't eat it, they might get caught up in it, like Smilodon
at La Brea, a cat with only 8 lives. Association does not prove causation
any more than the presence of fish in the sea proves that the fish created
the water.
NASA's Cassini spacecraft showed us that Saturn's moon Titan has sizable
surface lakes full of ethane, methane, and propane, proving incontrovertibly
that you don't need vegetation or the "breakdown of plants" to create the
so-called "fossil fuels."
Saturn's smoggy moon Titan has hundreds of times more natural gas
and other liquid hydrocarbons than all the known oil and natural gas
reserves on Earth, scientists said today.
We humans are still relative ignoramuses about Earth, and have only just
scratched the surface of our own planet, with the deepest drills going down
only about 40,000 ft. or so, while the fabled journey to the center of the
Earth would require a trip of about 4,000 miles straight down, so we aren't
quite there yet, but watch out! According to climate authority, almost-President,
inventor of the Internet, and green guru Al Gore, "The interior of the earth
is extremely hot, several millions of degrees."
Whew! No wonder he's worried about the Earth melting.
If hydrocarbons are created naturally on Titan, there is no reason to
doubt that they could be created naturally on Earth as well. In fact, as
far as we can tell, hydrocarbon molecules appear to be common and widespread
throughout the universe.
"Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) are the most abundant complex
molecules in space.
As things get nasty, China will resort to overt military pressure
on the rest of the world, or maybe it will give up its objective of
global domination and rely on everyone being nice to it!
Economic domination, by for example China (or really anyone else) cannot
be stopped or even impeded by means of military pressure or diplomatic intrigue
– the two main tools favored by Washington. Biased reporting by the "Fake
News Media" is even more ineffective.
What WILL WORK is what worked in the 1980s in responding to Japan's rise:
the United States and Germany got their economic houses in order, and even
South Korea and Taiwan aggressively ramped up their quality and productivity
to get up to Japan's level.
It was a long process for all of these nations, but it was the only option.
E-Trade shows a 1% Hard to Borrow fee for Tesla, which isn't really bad
considering it's prorated over a year. It costs barely over a penny a day
per share to short.
Surely, one cannot blame the whole financial sector. But certain parts
of it would not survive without Government bail outs every 10-20 years.
Those parts are definitivly working in a parasitic manner by shifting their
risks on the general public by levereging their systemic importance ("too
big to fail" etc ).
Also, as one hears from some traders, the stock market is used less and
less to raise fresh capital for companies but operates more like a zero
sum casino game for speculators. Of course, speculation enables market liquidity
but this is only useful if it supports the primary of function of raising
capital for new ventures.
I have no problems with casino capitalism, since no one has to be harmed
if one chooses not to participate. But lets call a spade a spade and, more
importantly, let the banks bear the responsibility for their own actions.
That is, risks have to be shifted back to bank owners by higher equity requirements
and, possibly, stricter punishments for financial misbehavior. Some kind
of regulation is also needed in order to enable the regulating authorities
to swiftly enforce bankruptcy proceedings without hampering the systemic
functions that the financial sectors provides (by some pre-structering of
bank operations or something similar).
Unbelievably, there is talk of electric aeroplanes. I think this implies
a turbine somewhere with other systems such as propellers to be electric.
Enough kerosene can always be grown in a field.
Meanwhile, I am actually putting commercial effort into Thorium. Supplying
the materials for a molten salt reactor to be exact.
I just mentioned thorium elsewhere. I am doing work in the field.
EV's. A product of inattention when using a tablet, which forces apostrophes
where they are not wanted. That said, when actually typing they come mechanically
from my fingers at times. I have glaucoma so proof reading is not a strength.
Unbelievably, there is talk of electric aeroplanes. I think this
implies a turbine somewhere with other systems such as propellers to
be electric. Enough kerosene can always be grown in a field.
I figure the first sign of true petroleum depletion will be restrictions
on air travel by the unwashed and unanointed. Only the government, and the
military, of course, will be entitled to air travel. It takes an awful lot
of field-grown kerosene to fly airplanes.
Thorium will work for safe reactors. I'm still betting on fusion.
Musk and his accomplishments, views serves as an aspiration to our generation.
The big problem with his views – HE RUNS A BUSINESS AS A TECH STARTUP. In
tech scale is not a problem, you can scale from thousands to millions to
hundreds of millions or even billions of users (Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp
etc) in a relatively short period of time. In tech you can literally deliver
"crap" fast, lacking most of the functionality, but be the first one to
capture the market and gradually improve and patch the system.
If he had partnered with big car manufacturer he could have delivered on
promises by now. And have a successful enterprise in partnership with big
car manufacturer.
The theory of reflexivity is of limited use in my experience. However
TSLA is an example of positive reflexivity. As such it can 'defy gravity'
for an unknown period, and is immune to normal valuation metrics, I consider
it un-investable.
Listening to their annual meeting, this is a cause as much as a business.
A lot of owners are stockholders and vice versa. Its market cap is $50 Billion.
GM is $60 B and F is $47 B.
I could see it raising a LOT of capital and think it has a runway beyond
the model 3. They just need to scrape by with the 3. Fanbois will tolerate
no profits for a long time.
The meeting was more like a revival than a business meeting. For many
of the reasons that GM and F are bad businesses. TSLA is on a tilted playing
field. Consumer Reports changing its recommendation? It wouldn't happen
for anyone else. TSLA gets away with things that GM and Toyota have been
fined billions for.
Tesla is burning through one billion per quarter and is likely to
run out of cash this year
I haven't checked their cash burn, but $1B a quarter? Other than issuing
equity, they could do a convertible preferred again or a rights offering.
A flood of competition is inbound
This is the only risk I can see getting traction. The other stuff won't
happen until after it fails.
I started looking into this as a short–but it seems suicidal. You could
be both right and broke.
No, his opinions are interesting with plenty of good points, but he never
talks about the issue of autonomous cars, thats fine if he assumes that
autonomous cars are not possible any time soon, however, if autonomous cars
are possible then the car industry as we know it is about to change completely
and totally
Bravo. I thought exactly this years ago, but it seemed just simply pointless,
really even bothering to try to argue the toss with people who think they
know everything.
Time the governments told the truth. Think I've heard that somewhere
before, too.
2 – It will destroy his halo, which is source of his success. This
is why Musk committed securities fraud in order to have Tesla acquire
Solar City, which was rapidly headed for bankruptcy. With his reputation
in tatters, it will call into question his leadership of Space X. Certainly
ideas like going to Mars with other people's money will be out.
I'm certainly no SpaceXpert (haha), but I've done a lot of reading on
the subject, recently. Assuming his other ventures can't drag SpaceX down
financially (a safe assumption, from what little I've read on the
topic), Mars will be fine. He can get started for like a billion – far less
than cash-guzzler ULA is asking ($25 billion all-in, much of which has already
been spent on SLS without a single launch).
And by "get started," I mean land the seed colony on Mars. Really, it's
everything other than getting to Mars that's the problem.
Last I heard (as of about a month ago), SpaceX has pretty much no plan at
all for the colony itself. All the tech still needs to be designed.
But SpaceX doesn't need a Mars trip or a Mars colony. At all. It's just
Musk's aspiration. If the satellite cloud plan (the official name escapes
me ATM) works, SpaceX could be printing money within a few years. Even if
it doesn't, SpaceX is eating every other launch provider's lunch. The race
is very much theirs to lose.
A lot of the Tesla bears assume there's something wrong with Space
X as well, but I don't think this is warranted. One guy who is documenting
all the Model S suspension failures has invented a half-cocked conspiracy
theory that Space X's achievements are fictitious. It's pretty common
for short sellers to get emotional during a great bear raid, which is
part of the fun.
Anything's possible, but if so Musk has a lot of very serious aerospace
types totally snowed. And it's some sleight of hand he's pulling, steadily
dropping what SpaceX charges to launch.
SpaceX is obviously being funded by the USG. I can't fly a $25.00
drone within 1000 yards of any airport, but the government stands by
while some private company flies objects into space? Not buying it.
This makes literally no sense.
Tesla and SpaceX are the shiny stars of the American technology,
it cannot fail in front of the rising power of China. Most of the Americans
believe in that and pinning their hope on Musk to turn Make American
Great dream come true.
China has an admirable space program, but we must be forgiven for thinking
a chink nationalist is just letting his envy do the talking.
Also, at this point I think the Mars plan and the restarting of 2001
that Musk and SpaceX have done are bigger than Musk. I think both will
easily survive Musk leaving the picture entirely.
Yes, BFR and BFS are both still just concept drawings and marketing talk
as far as the public is concerned, but even if they were scrapped right
this minute, SpaceX could still get us to Mars with Falcon Heavy. But I
wouldn't bet against BFR and BFS.
Protip, the current SpaceX action, other than development of BFR/BFS,
is Block 5, the first version of Falcon 9 with a reusable core, and the
final planned version of the vehicle. SpaceX plans to reuse Block 5 cores
3 or 4 times this year. Long term, they plan to phase everything else out
as BFR/BFS come online.
An acquaintance in NYC just received his Model 3 delivered to him. Previously
he had a 2007 Audi (I'm unsure what model), and he's super happy with his
Model 3. He likes the driving experience (he's driving quite fast and aggressively),
the gadgets (he's a bit of a technophile, too), and he thinks maintenance
will be cheap, so that once he's paid the price upfront, it'll cost next
to nothing to him for another 10-20 years (depending on battery life, which
he expects to be actually two decades). He also likes the fact that it's
"good for the environment," as he put it.
Musk is the best thing that happened to America in the last several decades.
America should be proud.
Is he perfect ? are his businesses perfect ? who cares. What matters
is that he is a fantastic innovator who has no known rivals right now. And
HE is HERE, in the USA.
The Ford, Gm, Krysler elephants who have been making nothing but hideous
cars forever (ok, there might be a couple of exceptions here and there)
are campaigning like mad dogs against Tesla because, once again, Tesla is
a statement about those shit companies caught sleeping. It is pretty much
the same as in politics, where MSM spreads bull shit.
I can't say if all the allegations against Tesla are true or not but
they seem to be very much the same as attacks on other companies the financial
industry has done to destroy the owners then take over the company for peanuts.
My feeling is this is the same. No I can't prove it but it wouldn't surprise
me at all. Other commenters have quoted material and build prices for Tesla
cars that show they could make a very hefty profit if they can get the volume
up and they seem to be doing this.
Let's look at the attack on Tesla's lack of profits and then compare
to Amazon. Amazon lost money for a long, long time,[are they still losing
money??]. But somehow Tesla is treated different. Now anyone can put up
an online store but not everyone can build a car. It would seem building
a car is much more difficult than an online store.
It appears Amazon has made most of it's recent profits from cloud computing
and still loses money on online sales so their profits could be stripped
at any time by cloud computing competitors. Why is Musk considered a huge
rip of when Amazon lost money for over twenty years and is probably still
not making an online store profit yet Musk has been delivering???
I often wondered if Musk was Jewish. He says he's not. If he's not I
could see a mass Jewish attack on him to strip away his coming internet
service. A internet service that could be used as a distributed information
service with TV NOT controlled by the Jews. This would be reason enough
to attack him. Look at what happened to CNN and Turner. They filled him
full of lies, brought him in then stripped him of assets. Could this be
what is happening to Musk? They want to cut him off before he can get a
world wide satellite system up not controlled by the Jews. I don't know
if this is what's happening but it wouldn't surprise me.
"... At bottom, the issue is: Who speaks for America? Is it the mainstream media, the deep state, the permanent government, the city that gave Trump 4 percent of its votes? Or is it that vast slice of Middle America that sent Trump to drain the swamp? ..."
"... For Trump, a truce or a negotiated peace with these people is never going to happen. But this issue of security clearances is a battlefield where the president cannot lose, if he fights wisely. ..."
"... its way past time that Trump start the sacking of the "disloyal" in the security/intelligence agencies. Yes, he may need to move cautiously -- smaller fish first, perhaps ? But, to repeat: "For Trump, a truce or a negotiated peace with these people is never going to happen, just like in the movies." ..."
"... Its interesting to see how shielded the Dem party is from voters. First is their use of Caucuses which uniformly went with Obama over Hillary in 2008 – they represent a quasi church. Then there are the super delegates, the money wranglers and blue bubble potentates that decide who wins a nomination. ..."
"... there are the two factions of the ruling dynasties, Bush and Clinton, that are seeded into the deep state. It should be noted that Bill and Hillary are personally worth $300M and have a family foundation that controls $2.5B in tax free funds. They could only have done that by selling America under the protection of Deep State. Finally, there is Manhattan Media which is the King Maker with its air cover ..."
"... Of those 4 million Americans holding Top Secret clearances, how many also hold dual citizenship? ..."
"... It's not complicated. I was surprised to find that these spy bureaucrats apparently remain cleared after leaving government "service" in one way or another. Obviously, big-boy swamp creatures have their privileges. They should have them no more. If the orange clown can't handle that, I don't see what use he is for anything else, either. ..."
"... If you need to know or have access to something, then you will require clearance according to what you will have access in accordance with your work level. Some times, it is better not to know somethings, believe me. ..."
The White House statement of Sarah Huckabee Sanders on John Brennan's loss of his clearances
was spot on:
"Any access granted to our nation's secrets should be in furtherance of national, not
personal, interests.
"Mr. Brennan has recently leveraged his status as a former high-ranking official with access
to highly sensitive information to make a series of unfounded and outrageous allegations --
wild outbursts on the Internet and television -- about this administration. Mr. Brennan's lying
and recent conduct, characterized by increasingly frenzied commentary, is wholly inconsistent
with access to the nation's most closely held secrets, and facilitates the very aim of our
adversaries, which is to sow division and chaos."
Trump is said to be evaluating pulling the security clearances of Clapper, ex-FBI Director
James Comey, former CIA Director Michael Hayden, former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe,
former FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok and former FBI lawyer Lisa Page.
This is a good start. Some of these individuals have been fired. Some are under
investigation. Some were involved in the FBI's "get-Trump" cabal to prevent his election and
then to abort his presidency.
... ... ...
At bottom, the issue is: Who speaks for America? Is it the mainstream media, the deep
state, the permanent government, the city that gave Trump 4 percent of its votes? Or is it that
vast slice of Middle America that sent Trump to drain the swamp?
Trump's enemies, and they are legion, want to see Robert Mueller charge him with collusion
with Russia and obstructing the investigation of that collusion. They want to see the
Democratic Party take over the House in November, and the Senate, and move on to impeach and
remove Trump from office. Then they want to put him where Paul Manafort sits today.
For Trump, a truce or a negotiated peace with these people is never going to happen. But
this issue of security clearances is a battlefield where the president cannot lose, if he
fights wisely.
Americans sense that these are privileges that should be extended to those who protect us,
not perks for former officials to exploit and monetize while they attempt to bring down the
commander in chief.
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That
Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever."
A neutral observation on political expediency: its way past time that Trump start the
sacking of the "disloyal" in the security/intelligence agencies. Yes, he may need to move
cautiously -- smaller fish first, perhaps ? But, to repeat:
"For Trump, a truce or a negotiated peace with these people is never going to happen, just
like in the movies."
OK, I admit that I haven't researched it myself. But shouldn't a column on this topic
state briefly what a "security clearance" is and explain what is had enabled Mr. Brennan,
once he left government employ, to access? Is it like a password or something? What is the
practical effect of its revocation?
"With 4 million Americans holding top-secret clearances," this sounds like the Battle of
Molehill Mountain. Thanks to anyone who helps to provide some context.
Given the demographic changes that the United States is experiencing, it is quite likely
that populist political candidates will continue to play on voters' perceptions of
vulnerability.
Its interesting to see how shielded the Dem party is from voters. First is their use of
Caucuses which uniformly went with Obama over Hillary in 2008 – they represent a quasi
church. Then there are the super delegates, the money wranglers and blue bubble potentates
that decide who wins a nomination.
Then there are the two factions of the ruling dynasties,
Bush and Clinton, that are seeded into the deep state. It should be noted that Bill and
Hillary are personally worth $300M and have a family foundation that controls $2.5B in tax
free funds. They could only have done that by selling America under the protection of Deep
State. Finally, there is Manhattan Media which is the King Maker with its air cover. Its like
we are ruled by a House of Lords answerable only to Manhattan Privilege, the owners and
operators of multinational entertainment companies. This is what Trump beat. His presidency
is truly a miracle.
+ all the living expresidents whose kill list is huge and let us not forget the dead
ones
your country have been at war over 200 years since its creation. so how
American dare use
the old muuh "commies killed a gazillion of people" is not easy to understand tbh.
but i guess hubris, propaganda and no knowledge about the world plays a big part
OK, I admit that I haven't researched it myself. But shouldn't a column on this topic
state briefly what a "security clearance" is and explain what is had enabled Mr. Brennan,
once he left government employ, to access? Is it like a password or something? What is the
practical effect of its revocation?
"With 4 million Americans holding top-secret clearances," this sounds like the Battle of
Molehill Mountain.
Thanks to anyone who helps to provide some context.
I held clearances at various times during my engineering career. It's very simple. If you
quit or retire, your clearance evaporates instantly. If, within your job, you are assigned to
work that doesn't require a clearance and your employer doesn't anticipate your needing it
again anytime soon, it is dropped (maintaining a clearance isn't cheap).
And, no, it isn't like a password, not really. If you want classified information, you
need two things to get it: appropriate clearance, and need-to-know. The person or system from
whom or which you're trying to get the information is duty-bound to verify that you have
both. Obviously, for someone who's retired or been fired and is now out jacking the jaw on
CNN, there is no need-to-know, and for an "ordinary" cleared person, there'd be no clearance,
either.
It's not complicated. I was surprised to find that these spy bureaucrats apparently remain
cleared after leaving government "service" in one way or another. Obviously, big-boy swamp
creatures have their privileges. They should have them no more. If the orange clown can't
handle that, I don't see what use he is for anything else, either.
Thank you. I didn't appreciate that the restrictions are upon those already privy to
information as part of their jobs. So, Mr. Brennan can no longer be furnished, under color of
law, non-public information by sympathetic former colleagues.
I did have a clearance when in the Service. Once I left, I kept it for five years I think.
And it is a 'sellable' when you are looking for a job with defense contractors, Basically,
it means that you could have access to the level of clearance that you have, related to what
you work on. Not every one has the same level of clearances. I assume they do have Top Secret
clearances of higher, because they do have access to high level stuff, and or info that is
not available to others. Its called 'need to know'. If you need to know or have access to
something, then you will require clearance according to what you will have access in
accordance with your work level. Some times, it is better not to know somethings, believe
me.
"... Beattie was fired not because of anything he did, or even because of anything he said, but because of sensationalism by a deeply dishonest media. Needless to say, President Trump's own supporters have stood by him even after President Trump actually said things that are far more controversial . If President Trump does not begin returning such loyalty, he will find himself politically isolated -- and powerless to resist the drive for impeachment being agitated for by the Main Stream Media ..."
"... Beattie was fired because he spoke at the H.L Mencken Club in 2016. For those reading this waiting for the punchline, you've already heard it -- that's it. That was all he did. Andrew Kaczynski of CNN breathlessly reported this as "having attended a conference frequented by white nationalists " [ Speechwriter who attended conference with white nationalists in 2016 leaves White House , ..."
"... The Trump White House just did succumb. Needless to say, this won't end the "controversy" -- it will simply mean that the hunt will continue for more people who can be forced out, culminating in the POTUS himself. ..."
"... Washington Post ..."
"... Nolte: Nine times 'racist-sexist' Trump described white men as 'dogs,' ..."
"... "I'm not going there": As Trump hurls racial invective, most Republicans stay silent ..."
It's the best of times and the worst of times for supporters of President
Donald Trump concerned about free speech. President Trump recently blasted the
conduct of social networking companies that censor conservative-leaning views
based on subjective standards, correctly labeling it "very dangerous" [
Trump says it's 'very dangerous' when Twitter, Facebook self-regulate content
, by Sara Salinas, CNBC, August 20, 2018]. At the same time,
the shameful decision by the Trump Administration to terminate speechwriter
Darren Beattie , just for speaking at a
conference at which
VDARE.com
Editor Peter Brimelow also spoke, shows the president still doesn't understand
the nature of his political opposition. Beattie was fired not because of anything
he did, or even because of anything he said, but because of sensationalism by
a deeply dishonest media. Needless to say, President Trump's own supporters
have stood by him even after President Trump
actually said things that are far more controversial . If President Trump
does not begin returning such loyalty, he will find himself politically isolated
-- and powerless to resist the drive for impeachment being agitated for by the
Main Stream Media.
Beattie was fired because he spoke at the H.L Mencken Club in 2016. For those
reading this waiting for the punchline, you've already heard it -- that's it.
That was all he did. Andrew Kaczynski of CNN breathlessly reported this as "having
attended a conference frequented by
white nationalists " [
Speechwriter who attended conference with white nationalists in 2016 leaves
White House , August 19, 2018] This is an example of what can be termed
a wrist-flapping piece, in which a journalist
points-and-sputters at people he doesn't like. It's an attempt by journalists
to dictate what people are and are not allowed to say, read, and do. And such
a tactic only has power if people succumb to it.
The Trump White House just did succumb. Needless to say, this won't end the
"controversy" -- it will simply mean that the hunt will continue for more people
who can be forced out, culminating in the POTUS himself.
Thus, the Washington Post 's Robert Costa cheerleads Beattie's firing
and links it to his own article in which he quotes various Republicans accusing
the president himself of racial insensitivity.
During the 2016 election, journalists looked on in baffled fury as President
Trump easily moved on from one "disqualifying" pronouncement to another --
from his first speech about illegal alien criminals to his
proposed travel ban . However, President Trump's victory did not inaugurate
a new era of Political Incorrectness, but the imposition of a more virulent
orthodoxy. Since journalists failed to take President Trump down, they have
increasingly turned on random, hapless people, destroying lives and careers
by
widely promoting relatively trivial incidents and turning them into national
controversies.
This is also why it is literally true to describe journalists as the "enemy
of the people."
In the latest episode of "Not An Enemy Of The People," a news anchor
uses her verified Twitter account to try to start a dox/harassment campaign
against a private citizen over some petty interpersonal dispute she only
provides her version of.
An individual citizen has several forms of redress against government officials
or law enforcement if he is targeted. For all the hysteria about Russian "meddling,"
no foreign enemy
poses an appreciable threat to individual citizens . However, if a citizen
is targeted by the Main Stream Media, he has no real way to fight back against
what the late Joe Sobran appropriately termed "
The Hive ." Alternative
media and the Internet could potentially provide a way for citizens to push
back. But journalists have made a priority of shutting down such outreach and
funding for political enemies. For example:
In each of these cases, reporters may argue they are simply opposing "hate
speech" or "extremism." Yet this is absurd at a time when the
overtly hateful Sarah Jeong is rewarded with a spot on The New York
Times editorial board, stripping former
Communist supporter John Brennan of his security clearance is treated
like a constitutional crisis , and we have the likes of
Al Sharpton ,
Van Jones , and
Spike Lee held as moral exemplars. One only has to look at verified accounts
at Twitter to see over the top hate speech in terms far more virulent and extreme
than anything on supposed "white nationalist" sites.
What even is a "white nationalist?" As the term "racist" has lost much of
its pejorative power through overuse, "white nationalist" seems to be increasingly
deployed. If it means anything, it means creating an homogenous white ethnostate,
an objective no one in mainstream politics has ever advocated. Nonetheless,
Steve Bannon is casually described as possessing "white nationalist tendencies"
[
Scaramucci: Steve Bannon has white nationalist 'tendencies' by Allan
Smith, Business Insider, September 22, 2017]. Stephen Miller has become
a "white nationalist" [
Call Stephen Miller a white nationalist , by Clio Chang, Splinter,
June 25, 2018]. Somehow however, Keith Ellison, second-in-command of the
Democrat Party, never faces questions for his explicit black nationalist past.
What's more,
no black Congressmen feel compelled to denounce such views .
The entire moral crusade by journalists is self-discrediting. It is best
understood as a crude exercise of power, not as a display of real ethical concern.
Journalists clearly regard themselves as a kind of guild, and are moving to
ensure only those within their closed network have access to the financial and
communications infrastructure needed to connect with the mass public.
Let it be said plainly -- if America were not saddled with today's "journalists,"
we would be better informed, have more freedom of speech, and have a greater
potential to mobilize against government abuses. Today's journalists are simply
activists in the service of established power. It is the First Amendment right
of such journalists to work on behalf of their policy preferences, but there
is no reason for Americans to treat them any different than the shrieking lunatics
of the
Revolutionary Communist Party or the
masked radicals of antifa reporters so often work with [
Journofa: Daily Beast "Journalist" Kelly Weill Follows Multiple Antifa Accounts
On Twitter , by Hunter Wallace, Occidental Dissent, August
16, 2018]
As Steve Bannon accurately said many months ago,
this is the real "opposition party" to President Trump . The Democratic
party currently enjoys an almost seven point lead in the generic party ballot
[
2018 Generic Congressional Vote , RealClearPolitics, August 20, 2018].
Yet the Democrats have no real policy agenda, are deeply internally divided,
and are barely keeping the kid on what is likely to be a full-scale intra party
civil war along both
racial and ideological faultlines [
Midterms exposing divide in Democratic Party , FoxNews, August 9, 2018].
President Trump isn't facing the Democrats so much as he is facing the MSM and
its ability to create new Narratives that he needs to respond to every day.
His war with the reporters that are quite openly trying to take down his Administration
is his most important battle.
In that battle, President Trump keeps being undermined most by the people
supposedly on his side. His former African-American aide Omarosa Manigault is
telling Al Sharpton that the president wants a "race war" [
Omarosa: I believe Trump wants to start a race war , by Brett Samuels,
The Hill, August 19, 2018]. His lawyers seem to be working for the
enemy. He keeps being betrayed by aides who are more eager to make friends with
the press than to do their jobs [
The Firings And Fury: The biggest Trump resignations and firings so far
, by Sam Morris and Francisco Navas, The Guardian, July 5, 2018].
It's easy to imagine that he is frustrated and that, as his son Eric fumed,
he must "
truly hate disloyal people ."
Yet loyalty is a two-way process. President Trump hired many people who opposed
him during the primaries and turned his back on many of those who supported
him all the way. Now, his administration is firing a loyal soldier at the behest
of open enemies.
If Trump wants to complete his term, he needs to give people a reason to
stick by him. And if he truly wants to defeat the enemies of the people, even
the President of the United States needs to realize he can't win this battle
by himself.
' In that battle, President Trump keeps being undermined most by the
people supposedly on his side '
Yeah -- but this merely demonstrates that he's a lousy leader. He obviously
can't pick good people, he's not able to command their loyalty, and he flagrantly
and gratuitously abuses them in public. Can anyone name another American
president who has carried on in this fashion?
It's the story of Trump. Throughout, he's been better than the alternative,
and that remains the case, but somehow, we've got to find someone better.
Trump never "caved" because he was never on the nationalist side at all.
Total fake from the start.
The most important fact about Trump was quietly revealed a few months
ago. He was Roy Cohn's protege in the '80s. If you know anything about Roy
Cohn, this tells you that Trump is an Agent Provocateur working solidly
and permanently for Deepstate.
Excellent article. Kirkpatrick succinctly outlines Trump's problems which
are huge and growing. The deeply-embedded Disloyal Opposition that manages
the Empire's daily doings and which helped unleash a partisan 'special prosecutor'
on Trump have come up empty as far as Russia's alleged 'theft' of the last
presidential election goes. But no matter. Even though 'Russiagate' is basically
a dry hole, and even though Trump did not collude with Putin as alleged,
the Demorat fishing expedition lives on.
The partisan Special Prosecutor will find something with which to hang
Trump, ruin his Presidency, and derail Trump's mission. This has been the
undeclared objective ever since the whole 'Russian conspiracy' was first
concocted.
The fabricated 'Russians-stole-the-election' fantasy was the excuse to
launch a politicized fishing expedition. Soon Russiagate will become 'old
news', replaced by hyped-up charges involving 'hush money' to secret lovers,
campaign finance irregularities, and other infractions which are mere trivialities
when compared to the massive, wholesale criminality that Zio-Washington
delivers continuously to undeclared war zones across the Middle East and
Central Asia each and every day.
Zio-Washington is on a decades-long murder spree. But the MSM barely
notices.
With that in mind, why are routine shenanigans by political operatives
in an immensely corrupt, blood-soaked, money-driven election cycle so gawd-awful-bad
when compared to the serial, routine, and ongoing mass murder (wars) along
with Zio-Washington's routine 'meddling' in the affairs of other sovereign
states?
Consider the trillions squandered and the million or more killed. This
is not serious?
Where is the balance? Where's the objectivity?
Why won't the MSM do its real job?
Or is the MSM part of the conspiracy?
At this point, there may be no way for Trump to escape the clutches of
a Nuremberg-esque Star Chamber that is fast approaching. Watch the MSM not
only cheer it all on, but sanitize the entire spectacle–equating a legalistic
assault on a sitting President with 'impartiality'.
Kirkpatrick shrewdly observes that "today's journalists are simply activists
in the service of established power." So true.
But who are the chief titans of 'established power' in NY, DC, LA, Chicago,
Silicon Valley, Wall St. and Hollywood?
Where are their 'unshakable' commitments?
Main St. America?
Many are hard-core Zionists ('Jewish nationalists') or sycophantic and
unsophisticated goyim who work for these unified plutocrats.
Unfortunately, Kirkpatrick usually avoids exploring this topic. This
keeps his analyses incomplete.
But the glaring double-standards which undermine the genuine and legitimate
interests of white Americans (as they shrink towards minority status) are
used openly and unapologetically to advance the ethno-tribal interests of
Jewish-Americans; as well as the interests of their distant, genetically-geared
headquarters in the Holy Land.
Has the MSM not noticed these strange facts and glaring inconsistencies?
Or is the MSM part of this grand deception?
We live in a rapidly-changing era where Black unity, pan-Asian identity
and solidarity (inside America), Hispanic cohesion and activism, and exalted
Jewish preeminence are all accepted as 'normal', pluralistic, and even virtuous.
When whites try to advance–or even articulate reasons–that would address
their collective interests (are whites permitted to even have 'interests'?)
then the MSM shock troops become unleashed and unhinged. The pundits howl
and headlines blare:
'Trump Finds Support Among Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists'.
Violators of anti-white taboos (reviled in the MSM as 'white supremacists')
are publicly shamed, routinely fired, and often banished.
Entrenched double standards. Speech crimes. Guilt by association. Denial
of Free Assembly. Persecution of the majority.
"Yet loyalty is a two-way process. President Trump hired many people
who opposed him during the primaries and turned his back on many of those
who supported him all the way. Now, his administration is firing a loyal
soldier at the behest of open enemies."
It's one of the toughest postures to harness, knowing one's enemies."
But the president seems heck bent on squishing his supporters. And that
is unfortunate. i suspect that sometimes he misinterprets admonitions as
attacks as opposed to warnings .
Problem is that he has made too many decisions that counter "Deep State"
thinking. Though I realize to conspiracy advocates -- nearly everything
constitutes a plot by the deep state.
Agree! Tired of watching him getting rid of honest and loyal supporters
like Bannon, Gorka, McMaster and now speechwriter Beattie because of the
zio-nazis don't like it.
The one big problem I have with Trump is his willingness to throw his
closest supporters under the bus or fire them over some bad publicity and
trumped up charges manufactured by (((the media))). Yet he hypocritically
expects absolute loyalty from those who serve him.
The Jewish owned and controlled media are comprised of nothing more than
little Ilya Ehrenburgs who foment hatred of white people and anyone to the
right of Barack Obongo and Valerie Jarrett. They're all ultra left wing
commissars committed to the neo-bolshevik revolution taking place so they
only offer ideologically and semitically correct "news" that bolsters fake
left wing narratives about everything.
On censorship by the tech giants, Trump needs to give the deplorables
something tangible like DOJ lawsuits and threats to enforce the Sherman
anti-trust act. To date all we got are some tweets deploring this state
of affairs. That's not good enough.
Pat Buchanan demonstrates how so-called liberal America despises ordinary folks who don't
seem so "enlightened" such as crooks like Obama, Hillary Clinton, Cuomo, Brennan, Clapper,
Comey, Hayden. Not to speak of their disgusting infantry of the kind of the Strzoks and his
lover girl Lisa Page and their ilk, plus the biased media rascals that are in fact "the enemy
of the people" (deplorable).
What's going on in the US is unprecedented. The entire political or so-called liberal
establishment is fighting with every means at their disposal against a democratically elected
President. Together with the Deep State and its agent, Robert Mueller, they want to bring
Donald Trump down. It's only a question of time when the Deep State comes up with a kind of
Lee Harvey Oswald.
One good thing about Trump. He's a clown but he triggered so many in the Deep State to come
out of the woodwork and show their true face. And what a hideous lot.
I had no idea that the Deep State was so infested with lowlife scum.
"... Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business ..."
"... there will be no war and no negotiations ..."
"... carries out the decrees, and answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who functions as the country's head of state ..."
"... Trump's ALL IN CAPS meme ..."
"... This is where Ali Khamenei's stance is more puzzling, at least to me: when he says that there will be no war, does he mean that the US threats are not credible or does he mean that Iran has the means to deter a US attack? His words make it sound like he is quite certain that there will be no war. How can he be so sure? I am especially amazed by the apparent Iranian confidence that the AngloZionists will not attack them when I compare it with the obvious Russian policy of actively preparing for war since at least 2014 (also see here , here , here , here , here and here ). Of course, Iran has been preparing for war with the US for almost 40 years now whereas the Russians only woke up to reality comparatively recently. I see several potential explanations for Ali Khamenei's statement (there might be more, of course) ..."
"... Personally, every time I think of a possible US attack on Iran I think of the Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006 which happened in spite of the fact that it was plainly visible to everybody that the Israelis were waltzing straight into a conflict which they could not win and which, in fact, resulted into one of the most abjects defeats in military history. Conversely, while Hezbollah did win a truly historical victory, it also remains a fact that Hezbollah leaders did not expect the Israelis to launch a full-scale ground offensive. Finally, history is full of examples of wars which were started in spite of all objective factors indicating that they would end up in disaster. ..."
"... If it weren't for its nuclear arsenal, the US could be dismissed as a particularly obnoxious country led by ignorant leaders with bloated and mostly ineffective armed forces. Alas, the US nuclear arsenal is very real (and still very capable) and we know that top-level US Neocons have already considered using tactical nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state's conventional force in the past . In a twisted way, this makes sense: if you are a megalomaniac infused with a sense of messianic superiority then international or even civilizational norms of behavior are of no interest (or even relevance) to you. Listening to US Presidents, pretty much all of them (but especially Obama and Trump) it is pretty clear that these folks consider themselves to be the Kulturträger ..."
"... Shaytân-e Bozorg ..."
"... It would be a big mistake to dismiss the US because of its incapable military or moral bankruptcy. The truth is that in terms of aggregate national power, the US still remains the most powerful country on the planet (even if we don't include nuclear weapons). Anyone doubting that needs to look how how the currencies of the countries the US is singles out for attack suddenly began slipping: the Russian ruble (which has since bounced back), the Iranian rial, the Venezuelan bolivar, the Turkish lira , etc.) or how little time it took Trump to bring the (admittedly spineless) Europeans to heel . ..."
"... As for Russia, for all her military might, she remains only a semi-sovereign country in which the pro-US/pro-Israeli "Atlantic Integrationists" continue to try to sabotage (often successfully) everything Putin and his supporters are doing . I would not place big hopes in China either, especially considering the lack of meaningful Chinese action in Syria where Russia and Iran did all the heavy lifting. ..."
"... So count with yet another imperial war of aggression, a barrel of crude at over 100$ and oil shortages, rocketing inflation, job losses, a stagnant real estate market and stock exchange, and a national debt and government deficit which would make even Reagan proud. And plenty of dead Americans (nevermind the Iranians, right?). But don't worry: there will still be a huge supply of Chinese-made US flags to wave! ..."
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We can all thank God for the fact that the AngloZionists did not launch a war on the DPRK, that no Ukronazi attack on the Donbass
took place during the World Cup in Russia and that the leaders of the Empire have apparently have given up on their plans to launch
a reconquista of Syria. However, each of these retreats from their hysterical rhetoric has only made the Neocons more frustrated
and determined to show the planet that they are still The Hegemon who cannot be disobeyed with impunity. As I wrote after the failed
US cruise missile strike on Syria this spring, " each click brings us closer
to the bang ". In the immortal words of Michael
Ledeen , " Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against
the wall, just to show the world we mean business ". The obvious problem is that there are no "small crappy little countries"
left out there, and that those who are currently the object of the Empire's ire are neither small nor crappy.
Having now shown several times that for all its hysterical barking the Empire has to back down when the opponent does not cower
away in fear, the Empire is now in desperate need to prove its "uniqueness" and (racial?) superiority. The obvious target of the
AngloZionist wrath is Iran. In fact, Iran has been in the cross-hairs of the Empire ever since the people of Iran dared to show the
AngloZionists to the door and, even worse, succeed in creating their own, national and Islamic democracy. To punish Iran, the US,
the USSR, France and all the other "democratic" countries unleashed their puppet (Saddam Hussein) and gave him full military support,
and yet the Iranians still prevailed, albeit at a terrible cost. That Iranian ability to prevail in the most terrible circumstances
is also the most likely explanation for why there has not been an overt attack on Iran for the past four decades (there have, of
course, there has been plenty of covert attacks during all these years).
I won't list all the recent AngloZionist threats against Iran – we all know about them. The bottom line is this: the US, Israel
and the KSA are, yet again, working hand in hand to set the stage for a major war under what we could call the " Skripal-case rules
of evidence " aka " highly likely ". And yet, in spite of all this saber-rattling, Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has summed
up Iran's stance in
the following words " there will be no war and no negotiations ".
First, let's first look at Iranian rationale for "no negotiations"
The obvious: "no negotiations"
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has been very clear in his explanations for why negotiating with the US makes no sense. On his Twitter
account he wrote:
The Iranian Supreme Leader even posted a special graphic summary to summarize and explain the Iranian position:
Finally, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei reiterated his fundamental approach towards the AngloZionist Empire:
The contrast between the kindergarten-level low-IQ bumbling hot air and threats coming out of the White House and the words of
Ali Khamenei could not be greater, especially if we compare the words the two leaders decided to post all in caps;
Trump : To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES
OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS
OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!
Khamenei : THERE WILL BE NO WAR, NOR WILL WE NEGOTIATE WITH THE U.S..
Notice first that in his typical ignorance, Trump fails to realize that Hassan Rouhani is only the President of Iran and that
threatening him makes absolutely no sense since he does not make national security decisions, which is the function of the Supreme
Leader. Had Trump taken the time to at the very least check
with Wikipedia he would have understood that the Iranian President " carries out the decrees, and answers to the Supreme
Leader of Iran, who functions as the country's head of state ". It is no wonder that Trump's infantile threats
instantly
turned into an Internet meme !
In contrast, Khamenei did not even bother to address Trump by name but, instead, announced his strategy to the whole world.
Trump's ALL IN CAPS meme
Of course, issuing ALL IN CAPS threats just to be treated with utter contempt by the people you are trying to hard to bully and
having your words become a cause of laughter on the Internet will only further enrage Trump and his supporters. When you are desperately
trying to show the world how tough and scary you are, there is nothing more humiliating as being treated like some stupid kid. Therein
also lies the biggest danger: such derision could force Trump and the Neocons who run him to do something desperate to prove to the
word that their "red button" is still bigger than everybody else's.
ORDER IT NOW
It is important to note here that making negotiations impossible is something the Trump administration seems to have adopted as
a policy. This is best illustrated by the conditions attached to the latest sanctions against Russia which, essentially, demand that
Russia admit poisoning the Skripals. In fact, all the western demands towards Russia (admitting that Russia is guilty for the Skripal
case, that Russia shot down MH-17, that Russia hand over Crimea to the Ukronazis, etc.) are carefully crafted to make absolutely
sure that Russia will not negotiate. The sames, of course, goes for the ridiculous
Pompeo demands towards the DPRK
(including handing over to the US 60 to 70 percent of its nukes within six to eight months; no wonder the North Koreans denounced
a "gangster-like" attitude) or the latest US grandstanding towards Turkey. Sadly, but the Neocon run media has successfully imposed
the notion that negotiations are either a sign of weakness, or treason, or both. Thus to be "patriotic" and "strong" no US official
can afford to be caught red-handed negotiating with the enemy of the day.
Under these conditions, why would anybody want to negotiate with the US?
Frankly, the "no negotiations" approach makes perfectly good sense, and while the Iranians are the only ones who have openly said
so, the Russians have hinted to the same on many occasions (see their words about the US being "non-agreement capable" or about US
diplomats confusing Austria and Australia). To any objective observer it should by now be completely obvious by now that a) the US
cannot negotiate (due to intellectual, cultural and political limitations) and b) the US has no desire to negotiate. This is, of
course, a highly undesirable and dangerous situation, but it would only make things worse to pretend that civilized negotiations
with the US are possible.
So, if both sides agree on "no negotiations", what about war?
The not so obvious: No war?
This is where Ali Khamenei's stance is more puzzling, at least to me: when he says that there will be no war, does he mean
that the US threats are not credible or does he mean that Iran has the means to deter a US attack? His words make it sound like he
is quite certain that there will be no war. How can he be so sure? I am especially amazed by the apparent Iranian confidence that
the AngloZionists will not attack them when I compare it with the obvious
Russian policy of actively preparing for war
since at least 2014 (also see
here
, here ,
here ,
here ,
here and
here ). Of course,
Iran has been preparing for war with the US for almost 40 years now whereas the Russians only woke up to reality comparatively recently.
I see several potential explanations for Ali Khamenei's statement (there might be more, of course):
Political: Iran is trying to demonstrate that it will do everything possible to avoid a war so that if a war should break out,
it would be absolutely clear to everybody that Iran did not want it, Iran did not trigger it and the responsibility for the consequences
fall entirely and solely upon the US and Israel. Deception: Iran knows that a war is coming but is trying to pretend like it won't
to better conceal the war preparations and lure the Empire into a sense of complacency resulting into an ineffective/costly attack.
Intelligence: the Iranians might have intelligence indicating to them that all the US threats are just hot air spewed in order
to appease the Israel Lobby and to look "patriotic" in preparation for the upcoming elections this Fall. Miscalculation: the Iranians
might underestimate the level of hubris, arrogance and stupidity of the US leadership and mistakenly conclude that since an attack
on Iran makes no sense and the US cannot "win", such an attack will therefore not happen.
Personally, every time I think of a possible US attack on Iran I think of the Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006 which happened
in spite of the fact that it was plainly visible to everybody that the Israelis were waltzing straight into a conflict which they
could not win and which, in fact, resulted into one of the most abjects defeats in military history. Conversely, while Hezbollah
did win a truly historical victory, it also remains a fact that Hezbollah leaders did not expect the Israelis to launch a full-scale
ground offensive. Finally, history is full of examples of wars which were started in spite of all objective factors indicating that
they would end up in disaster.
It seems to me that in purely military terms (not in political ones!) Israel could be seen as a stand-in for the US and Hezbollah
as a stand-in for Iran and that the outcome of any future US-Iranian war will be very similar to the outcome of the war in 2006,
albeit on a much larger (and bloodier) scale. I am confident that the folks in the Pentagon realize that, but what about their Neocon
bosses – do they even care about Iranian or, for that matter, US casualties? I highly doubt it: all they care about is their power
and messianic ideology.
If it weren't for its nuclear arsenal, the US could be dismissed as a particularly obnoxious country led by ignorant leaders
with bloated and mostly ineffective armed forces. Alas, the US nuclear arsenal is very real (and still very capable) and we know
that
top-level US Neocons have already considered using tactical nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state's conventional force in the
past . In a twisted way, this makes sense: if you are a megalomaniac infused with a sense of messianic superiority then international
or even civilizational norms of behavior are of no interest (or even relevance) to you. Listening to US Presidents, pretty much all
of them (but especially Obama and Trump) it is pretty clear that these folks consider themselves to be the Kulturträger
and the Herrenvolk of the 21st century and their messianism is in no way less delusional than the one of their Nazi predecessors
(or, for that matter, the one of the Popes of the past 1000 years). And why would the people who nuked two Japanese cities under
the (entirely fallacious) pretext of "shortening the war" (almost a humanitarian operation!) not do the same thing in Iran?
Of sure, they probably realize that using nukes will result in a massive political backlash, but they are confident that no matter
what happens in the end, they will always be able to say "screw you!" to the rest of the planet. After all, this is something which
Israel and the US have been doing with almost total inpunity for decades already – why would they stop now? As for the fact that
the Persian people have been dealing with all kinds of invaders since no less than 2500 years will not stop the AngloZionists from
trying to crush them. After all, having laid waste to a country which many see as the cradle of civilization, Iraq, why not do the
same thing to Iran? Iraq, Iran – what's the difference, they are all just "sand niggers" and our red button is bigger than theirs,
right?
Standing up to Shaytân-e Bozorg (almost alone?)
It would be a big mistake to dismiss the US because of its incapable military or moral bankruptcy. The truth is that in terms
of aggregate national power, the US still remains the most powerful country on the planet (even if we don't include nuclear weapons).
Anyone doubting that needs to look how how the currencies of the countries the US is singles out for attack suddenly began slipping:
the Russian ruble (which has since bounced back), the Iranian rial, the Venezuelan bolivar, the
Turkish lira , etc.) or
how little
time it took Trump to bring the (admittedly spineless) Europeans to heel .
As for Russia, for all her military might, she remains only a semi-sovereign country in which the pro-US/pro-Israeli "Atlantic
Integrationists" continue to try to
sabotage (often successfully)
everything Putin and his supporters are doing . I would not place big hopes in China either, especially considering the lack
of meaningful Chinese action in Syria where Russia and Iran did all the heavy lifting.
Sadly, but the only ally Iran can truly count on is Hezbollah. And while Hezbollah is considered a "non-state actor", it has a
formidable capability to strike at the US's colonial masters,
especially in terms of missiles .
This will not protect Iran, but it could serve as a very real deterrent to the Israelis, especially since Hezbollah Secretary
General Hassan Nasrallah he has made it clear that Hezbollah more than capable
of taking on Israel .
Does that look to you like there will be no war against Iran?
I hope so. But to me it very much looks like an attack is pretty much inevitable. I have been predicting such an attack since
2007 and, so far, I have been completely wrong (and thank God for that!). The very first article I ever wrote for my blog was entitled
" Where the Empire meets
to plan the next war " ended with the following words:
So count with yet another imperial war of aggression, a barrel of crude at over 100$ and oil shortages, rocketing inflation,
job losses, a stagnant real estate market and stock exchange, and a national debt and government deficit which would make even
Reagan proud. And plenty of dead Americans (nevermind the Iranians, right?). But don't worry: there will still be a huge supply
of Chinese-made US flags to wave!
And yet, 11 years later, the AngloZionist attack which looked so imminent in 2007 has not happened yet. Could it be that this
time again an attack on Iran can be avoided? Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appears to be very confident that it will not happen. I am not
so sure, but I fervently hope that he is right.
"... In that sense, the elite media are indeed enemies of the people – our people, that is. If they didn't want to perceived as such, they should have been fairer in their coverage, they shouldn't have started censoring people and banning them off Twitter and PayPal for wrongthink, they shouldn't have promoted endless invasion, they shouldn't have coordinated outrageous attacks like that disgraceful WaPo story alleging everyone who didn't support Hillary Clinton was part of a Russian plot (lying bastards) ..."
"... It's not appropriate for a handful of American cities (LA, NY, and DC), a single political party (the democrats), and a handful of democrat-voting businessmen and leftist "journalists" to control 98% of the narrative. Something needs to be done about that. ..."
"... Otherwise, South Africa is our future. They faced the same choice as we do now, and they did it wrong. ..."
I think some clarification is needed here. What these people have actually done is the
following:
They have monopolized the information distribution system – internet and television
– and used it to silence critics, prevent competing platforms from arising, bully
society into accepting their standards of conduct and thought, blacklist conservatives in
Hollywood, promote physical violence against us (punch a Nazi where "Nazi" is basically any
non extremist), and organize countless wide-spread coordinated attacks against our government
in order to overthrow it, and replace it with their own. They've used banks to deny service
to legal gun shops (a roundabout way to ban them), they've used credit card companies to shut
down critics of Islam, they've used lawfare to attack Christian bakers, they've banned
critics from PayPal, they've censored YouTube videos, they boot critics from Facebook, they
employ an army of "state-sponsored in all but name" censors for social media – SPLC,
ADL, and they have recruited a "state-sponsored in all but name" KGB to track down and
dox/fire/witchunt dissenters on the internet.
We live in fear that at any moment out lives could be destroyed if we are filmed in public
expressing wrong think; other countries like Germany have laws against this, so why don't we?
Oh, that's right, because it is a useful tool to control dissent. The deepstate needs to keep
their little empire together. Careful not to be white and say the wrong thing or your picture
may end up being broadcast by the Young Turks to the world: "racist white lady calls the cops
on innocent non-whites who didn't pay for anything in a restaurant and loitered around,
refused to leave a private establishment after being politely asked to pay or go, and then
screamed at cops for 10 minutes before being arrested. The shame. Dirty racist."
We are subject to false allegations in a system rigged by feminists to discriminate
against men. We are guilty until proven innocent. We have to work twice as hard for half the
results due to racist affirmative action policies. We are bombarded with leftist propaganda
in the entertainment industry. No form of entertainment is free from their proselytizing.
There are endless 2 minute sessions of hate directed at us: Duke Lacrosse, Virginia rape
hoax, Ferguson, Starbucks,
The media got away with this in the past by pretending to be objective, but they don't
even bother with that aspect anymore. Unfortunately, the corrupt, spineless traitors in the
GOP let this happen. They should have been rigorously enforcing anti-monopoly laws, media
ownership laws, and supporting public broadcasting – internet and television – in
order to drive down the ratings of deepstate-run organs like CNN. Instead, they sold out.
They are traitors, too.
In that sense, the elite media are indeed enemies of the people – our people,
that is. If they didn't want to perceived as such, they should have been fairer in their
coverage, they shouldn't have started censoring people and banning them off Twitter and
PayPal for wrongthink, they shouldn't have promoted endless invasion, they shouldn't have
coordinated outrageous attacks like that disgraceful WaPo story alleging everyone who didn't
support Hillary Clinton was part of a Russian plot (lying bastards)
How many of these fake news stories have these people come up with? Stormy Daniels,
Omarosa, Russiagate, BLM . It should be clear by now that these scum are trying to rig the
upcoming election in the democrat party's favor by ginning up racial and gender animus; that
is blatantly what they tried to do in 2016. So, why are we letting them? We can't organize a
boycott of them, their advertisers, their distribution networks? If they ban us from social
media, can't we pass laws requiring their distribution network – internet service
providers and trucking companies – to ban them in retaliation? Can't we organize
state-sponsored, censorship-free competition? Our state legislatures can ban boycotts of
Israel but not protect we the people?
It's not appropriate for a handful of American cities (LA, NY, and DC), a single
political party (the democrats), and a handful of democrat-voting businessmen and leftist
"journalists" to control 98% of the narrative. Something needs to be done about
that.
Personally, I think the US is done for as a constitutional republic. Either we secede and
have a country run for the benefit of our own people (optimal), or we seize control and run
the government for the benefit of ourselves. Works for China. And that's exactly what the
left is plotting with their immigration invasion. So why not strike first? Do we want to end
up like South Africa? Do we want to end up with a one-party democrat state? Imagine racist
SJW scum stomping on your face forever. That's the choice we face, and it is coming up
soon.
As far as I'm concerned, Trump won 60% of the American vote. A near majority of the people
who voted democrat are not American. They are foreign invaders invited after the 1965
immigration act to steal away our democracy and give it to the racist democrat party. If the
Chinese army invaded California, we wouldn't give them the vote. So, why do racist invaders
get to vote? Strip them of their citizenship and let only republicans vote. Then, expel these
traitors to other countries where they belong.
Our country was originally founded as an exclusive society that reserved the vote for
white landowners, and the American Revolution was only supported by a third of the public.
Patriots rose up and kicked out the king against the wishes of the stupid masses, and they
were right to do so. Thank God that wasn't left up to an equal vote because not all men are
equal in their abilities.
I don't see how it would be wrong to reserve the vote exclusively for our people again, or
at least Republicans in general, people who have the nation's best interest at heart, people
wise enough and capable enough to understand right from wrong and wisdom from stupidity.
Think this is too extreme? It isn't because that's exactly what they have publicly
advocated doing to us – deport us, enslave us, censor our speech, jail us, attack us in
the streets, ban Fox News. One of their democrat senators publicly supported censoring more
people after Alex Jones was deplatformed via RICOesque collusion. They announce it publicly!
When are we going to take their threats seriously and strike first?
Otherwise, South Africa is our future. They faced the same choice as we do now, and
they did it wrong. They gave their country away to racist vermin who now threaten to
steal their land without compensation. It was obvious at the time that it would end badly for
the whites there one day, but they stupidly ignored the warnings, Now, their racist president
chants "death to the Boar, death to the white man." Don't think that can happen here? It can.
The racist democrat running for Georgia governor wants to destroy Stone Mountain and give
reparations to blacks (steal our money like SA steals white lands).
When the rats retake the White House in 2020, they are going to unleash a wave of racist
hate against us that will never abate. That's what Obama did with BLM, so there is no reason
to believe they won't do so again but much worse after all their rhetoric. And there will be
so many democrat-voting immigrant invaders here that we can never win power again. They
thirst to make our country a dictatorship like China, but with themselves at the top. That's
a scary thought. Are we going to let them do it?
Trump could assure himself such support by getting rid of all the swamp creatures around
him.
The first persons to dump are Javanka, who are the worst kind of swamp – Zionist
libtards. Next he should dump his running mate Mike Pence, who is part of the swamp. Pence
brought in Zionist swamps like Rosenstein, John Bolton, Nikki Haley.
He also needs to get rid of Jeff Sessions, bring in an AG who could fire Rosenstein and
Mueller, investigate and prosecute the Clinton-Uranium One scandal, that case alone will
topple all of Deep State incl. Rosenstein and Mueller. It'll put Obama's legacy in
tatters.
Kris Kobach will most likely become governor of KS this Nov, but if he doesn't, Trump
should tap him for AG.
And now you know what's the problem with America, the stupid voters who voted for Bush,
and the demise of the Constitution and the freedoms it contained,after all he did say the
Constitution was nothing but a G.D. piece of paper and promptly wiped his ass with it and
people rushed to vote for him again.Was he selected of course he was, they are all selected
by the CFL, or some sister organization who then funds them, Trump was an angel from heaven
for the corporations and the MIC after all those billions of dollars was an early Christmas
present, it was the mine the other 80-90% got the shaft with yet another trillion added to
the debt.As the man said people usely get what they deserve, and indeed they deserve whats
coming and party will make no difference
It's nice to remind people that Lincoln was a Republican. An old blog post of mine provides a
clearer explanation:
Jan 2, 2011 – The War to Reclaim Federal Property 1861-1865
I've noticed the "Power Elite" have decided to rewrite American history in regards to the
American Civil War. This was known as the "War Between the States" or the "War of Secession",
but was officially named the "Civil War" as a Congressional compromise some 40 years later.
The Power Elite recently mobilized their media front men to proclaim that war was all about
slavery. Anyone who contends it was about states rights is labeled ignorant or a racist.
Symbols of the Confederacy have been targeted for destruction, claiming they are racist.
Slavery was a horrible institution, and was the prime source of friction between the
states in the 1850s. Some wanted a military crusade to free the slaves, while an equal number
demanded a military crusade to crush the evil Mormons in Utah. There was never strong support
in Congress to ban slavery since many wealthy New Englanders profited in the textile business
that relied upon cheap cotton from the South. In addition, the cherished American
Constitution allowed for slavery.
Had Congress made slavery illegal and our military ordered to enforce that law, it would
have been a war against slavery, and it would have lasted but a few months. However, that is
not how things played out. Southern states feared that Northerners were using the federal
government to dominate the nation that was conceived as a federation of states. Slavery was
the key issue, but most Southerners didn't own slaves, and slavery was contentious within
Southern states as many citizens opposed it. The Southern states peacefully and
democratically seceded and formed the Confederate States of America (CSA), in the same way
they joined the Union just two generations prior. The U.S. Congress didn't declare that
illegal, nor did the Supreme Court.
Newly elected President Lincoln decided he would not tolerate the CSA, so he ordered it
crushed. He assumed our military could quickly overrun the much weaker Confederate state
militias, but it turned into a disastrous war. A key problem is that Lincoln refused to
outlaw slavery and use that as a cause for military action, but said the effort was to
preserve the union. As a result, Northerners were not enthusiastic about invading the South,
while anti-slavery Southerners and the silent majority of non-slave holding Southerners felt
compelled to defend their state from invasion. As his effort to "preserve the union" became a
debacle, Lincoln finally evoked ending slavery as a cause with his 1863 "Emancipation
Proclamation". Even that did not free the 800,000 slaves in the slave-holding states of
Missouri, Maryland, West Virginia, or Delaware, which had never declared a secession.
Some say Lincoln only did this to prevent England from entering the war on the side of the
CSA. England was upset by the Union sea blockade that denied its textile mills of cotton.
Lincoln implemented his own form of slavery, the military draft, to fill his crusading army.
The movie "Gangs of New York" addresses this issue toward the end -- the resulting anti-draft
riots by New York immigrants. The great movie "Glory" shows white Union troops angry at
forced service in Lincoln's crusade. Most of Lincoln's free Negro troops were slaughtered in
frontal attacks during the war, and only earned half-pay.
In summary, slavery was the primary cause of conflict between the states, but the Civil
War was caused by Lincoln's blundering. He failed to act decisively because he had no
official standing to end slavery, yet when he did act as a dictator, he refused to promote it
as an anti-slavery crusade. As a result, most Southerners fought to defend their state from
invasion, not to protect slavery. The Northern industrialists made huge profits from this
war, so they sainted Lincoln as one of our greatest Presidents, for suspending the U.S.
Constitution and causing the most disastrous event in American history.
A recent book destroyed the notion that the South is more racist than the North. Without
going into too much detail(read the book, it's really good) the book reveals where the
staunchest racist lie, and that is in the North – Eastern Ohio, Western Pennsylvania.
Now there are historians/people/people I know/teachers/government employees that got it in
their head that a bunch of very racist union troops where willing to leave their comfortable
home and very segregated cities up north, and go down south to fight and die to free the
black man. A crazy fairy tale that happens to be true.
What's funny for me is this, the "United States", consisting of states that joined together
voluntarily in an union, by the same measure should have been allowed to secede any time they
wished, without interference of a tyrannical central government, which should not even have
that authority. Patrick Henry was right.
No one's stopping you from finding out on your own. But if you need help getting started,
here are a couple relevant quotes:
Charles Adams: The South paid an undue proportion of federal revenues derived
from tariffs, and these were expended by the federal government more in the North than the
South: in 1840, the South paid 84% of the tariffs, rising to 87% in 1860. They paid 83% of
the $13 million federal fishing bounties paid to New England fishermen, and also paid $35
million to Northern shipping interests which had a monopoly on shipping from Southern
ports. The South, in effect, was paying tribute to the North.
The address of Texas Congressman Reagan on 15 January 1861 summarizes this discontent:
"You are not content with the vast millions of tribute we pay you annually under the
operation of our revenue law, our navigation laws, your fishing bounties, and by making
your people our manufacturers, our merchants, our shippers. You are not satisfied with the
vast tribute we pay you to build up your great cities, your railroads, your canals. You are
not satisfied with the millions of tribute we have been paying you on account of the
balance of exchange which you hold against us. You are not satisfied that we of the South
are almost reduced to the condition of overseers of northern capitalists. You are not
satisfied with all this; but you must wage a relentless crusade against our rights and
institutions." As the London Times of 7 Nov 1861 stated: "The contest is really for empire
on the side of the North and for independence on that of the South ."
Carl Pearlston: In 1860, the 15 Southern states had 8 million whites and
4½ million black slaves, compared to 19 million whites and ¼ million blacks
in the North's 19 states. The vast areas of undeveloped western territory were rapidly
being settled by people whose economic interests were not with the South. It found itself
continually outvoted in both the Congress and Senate, especially on commercial regulations,
with the prospect of an increasing majority against it. The nub of the problem was that the
North wanted high tariffs on imported goods to protect its own manufactured products, while
the South wanted low tariffs on imports and exports since it exported cotton and tobacco to
Europe and imported manufactured goods in exchange. High tariffs in effect depressed the
price for the South's agricultural exports; the South paid high prices for what it bought
and got low prices for what it sold because of the federal tariff policy which the South
was powerless to change. Southerners viewed themselves as being dominated by the mercantile
interests of the North who profited from these high tariffs.
At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, Virginia had proposed a requirement for a 2/3
majority to enact laws regulating commerce and levying tariffs, which were the chief
revenue of the federal government. George Mason of Virginia stated "The effect of a
provision to pass commercial laws by a simple majority would be to deliver the south bound
hand and foot to the eastern states". Virginia withdrew its amendment at the Convention in
the interest of securing adoption of the Constitution, but ratification was with the
proviso that it could be rescinded whenever the powers granted to the Union were used to
oppress, and Virginia could then withdraw from the Union. True to George Mason's
prediction, the high tariff of 1828 did bring the South to the verge of rebellion, leading
Senator John C. Calhoun to unsuccessfully champion the concept of Nullification and the
doctrine of the Concurrent Majority in 1833 to ensure that the South could have a veto
power over commercial acts passed by a simple majority in Congress and the Senate.
We can argue demographic data but many white Americans were not in the United States at
the time of the Civil War.
East Coast dominates and whites in the East Coast center aside from Jews tend to be
Italians (Rudy, Nancy etc) and Irish-Catholics (Kennedy's) whose ancestors arrived in the
late 19th or early 20th century.
So why is the Civil War important today? Because white Southerners long for some period of
time when being descended from English aristocrats was relevant?
THING B
Cubans have made Miami economically relevant if only because Caribbean dictators stick
their money to be safe from the next revolution and it attracts a great deal of international
tourism.
Texas pumps out a great deal of oil.
Otherwise, what is the relevance of much of the South? To who, and why? That they are
often poorer than the West Coast or the East Coast. That whites are poorest there? What's its
relevance? GDP? Technological innovation? Standard of living?
THING C
If the South could not have Federal bailouts than what would it do? More than Northern
states with massive human capitol from Wall Street brokers and businessmen and international
investors and tech giants the South has .well, poverty.
The North is not a reliant on Federal money. Northern California and Manhattan could tell
the Beltway to go F*(X themselves. They'd get by. But would Alabama?
THING D
The Southern border is the problem. It is not the Northern border. If anything, Canada is
the one saying they don't want whites from Maine or Michigan and rigidly enforce border
security.
Yet the South and Southwest allows millions of illegal immigrants through their
border.
Canada sure does a good job of keeping Americans from immigrating illegally. Try to do it.
I guarantee you'll be caught and end up with Canadian mounties and helicopters with infrared
surrounding you.
THING E
White Southerners seem to have a huge hard-on for Jews. There are not many Jews in the
South compared to Long Island or California. So why do white Southerners have this thing
about Jews?
Thomas L Thompson describes the task of the historian ' to make sense of the apparent jumble
of unrelated facts', but I always wondered if this hindsight sense is reality or a
construction.
There is a saying among historians 'a history book says more about the time it was written
than about the time it describes'.
Interesting in professional history books is how historians disagree, one finds them
critising colleagues in the notes.
In gymnasium I found history boring, nothing was explained, such as that the king of France
never ate hot food, the time between the food leaving the kitchen and being under his nose
was so long that it was cold.
I now know why.
History just becomes interesting when one knows details, alas these details dot not explain
anything, sometimes very little.
A historian of a very interesting book on how technical inventions changed society writes 'an
invention is a door opened on a until the closed room, but mankind never was obliged to go
into the room'.
Why mankind ignored many inventions, unexplained.
Thomas L Thompson, 'The mythic past, Biblical archaeology and the myth of Israel', London
1999
Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen, ' The world of the Huns', 1973 Berkeley
Raymond Aron, ´Introduction à la philosophie de l'histoire, Essai sur les
limites de l'objectivité historique', Paris 1948
Lynn White Jr., 'Medieval Technology and Social Change', Oxford 1962
D'Souza omits Lincoln's repeated desire that blacks be sent back to Africa.
And Cathey omits that that alone would make Lincoln smarter, wiser, and more just than
just about anyone in the South.
On the other hand, Lincoln thought Southerners and their beloved African livestock were
worth waging battle to keep in the Union. That alone is proof positive that Lincoln was
insane.
it was the various states that granted the Federal government certain very limited and
specifically enumerated powers, reserving the vast remainder for themselves
And the fugitive slave bills, no matter how constitutional, make a total hash of this.
Yeah, you can say that Africans were property, but they were not property on the north shore
of the Great Lakes. Why would they be on the south?
If Southerners wanted to keep their pets on the farm, they had the technology to build a
Berlin Wall along the Ohio and the Potomac, and let states to the north (not "North") make
their own policies concerning chattel.
This may be Mr. Cathey's reading of the Taussig book cited earlier in the paragraph. A
linked citation to the 8th (1931) edition can be found at the end of the Wikipedia article on
Taussig.
Without getting too technical, the finished goods and–especially–farm
equipment that the south depended on were mostly imported in those days. Additionally, there
was some fear in the south that foreign countries might retaliate with tariffs of their own
on the agricultural commodities that the south exported. To be sure, I don't buy the theory
that 'slavery had nothing to do with Civil War', but tariffs, no doubt, were at least a
contributing factor.
Just like after the failed jew inspired Weimar take over of Germany in the 1920′s,
after the failed 1848 revolutions in Europe, many squealing and kvetching marxist jews fled
to the US, where they quickly integrated into their "good for the jews" JP collective. The
Rothschilds, the bloodline families and the illuminati had already subverted all the masonic
lodges in precisely the same way they are using D'Sousa to subvert "conservatism" now, but
the JP was still gathering all the reigns of power into their hands.
In fact, what Jewish Power (JP) is doing with D'Sousa is deliberately dividing any
conservative resistance into the subverted "racist" alt-right and the subverted "non-racist"
Neocon war machine. Of course, the militarized police forces are being set up to be deployed
against the "racist" alt-right in the same way facebook, twitter and all the other JP social
media corporations have shut down the free speech of that same alt-right. This is the same
kind of judaic divide and conquer strategy that the tribe was using in the lead up to the war
of northern aggression.
D'Sousa is clearly a non-white, and like all dot-Indian immigrants he is merely another
form of trojan horse brought into our society in the same way jews opened the gates let the
moors into Granada and the Turks into Constantinople. Whether he realizes it or not, he is a
jew puppet brought in to destroy Christianity and European civilization and replace their
true liberalism with a Frankfurt School marxist cuckoo bird egg. Dot-Indians are to become a
new technocratic upper caste brought into to help jews keep the goyim slaves in line. No good
will come from allowing dot-Indians to preach judaicly perverted Christian morality back onto
us.
One of the little known characteristics of the War of Northern Aggression was that the
majority of slave plantation owners in the
south were jews , while the vast majority of Yankee bankers and slave traders were also
jews. This is precisely the same kind of jewish over representation that we see in SCOTUS,
Hollywood, Harvard and the "1%" today.
So it was JP and its Freemason puppets who started the War of Northern Aggression, and it
was a part of a thousand year old plan described in the Talmud and the Protocols to
obliterate Europeans and their culture from the face of planet earth as revenge for Titus's
destruction of the Second Temple to Solomon in 70AD. There is plenty of confirmation of this
in writings from places like the Frankfurt School, Saul Alinsky and Cultural Marxism.
Although D'Sousa pays lip service to exposing some of these hidden agendas, he cannot see the
forest because all he is willing to see is a "racist" hiding behind every tree. What a kike
tool he is.
Dave McGowan wrote in his great understated and laconic style about the judaic and masonic
lies surrounding the Lincoln assassination. You can read it for free online, along with his
great books "Wagging the Moon Dog" and "Weird Scenes in the Canyon".
Here is a fascinating unrolled, archived twitter feed about Lincoln and his jewish and
masonic connections, with lots of interesting embedded pictures:
"On the bottom of page three of four pages was a paragraph where the father, A.A.
Springs, left to his son an enormous amount of land in the state of Alabama which is now
known as Huntsville, Alabama. At first Mr. Christopher and his colleagues could not believe
what their eyes, because the name of his son was "ABRAHAM LINCOLN" !
This new information added to what they had already learned about the Springs, whose
real name was Springstein , was one more twist to this already enigmatic family."
US population 1860, 31.5M. 4M slaves, so 27.5M free people, vast majority white.
Determining what "the South" was in 1860 is a little ambiguous. Slaveowning states? States
that seceded?
Let's look at all slaveowning states. Total white population – 8M. Which leaves
18.5M in "the North," or free states.
Tariffs are duties charged on imported goods. They are paid at the point of entry, not by
the eventual buyer, other than indirectly. Hence there was no way to charge different taxes
for different sections other than, theoretically, by including or excluding certain items
from tariffs or by changing rates based on the rate of purchase of such items in the
difference regions.
So for the 80% claim to be accurate, the 29% of white people who lived in the South would
have to purchase tariffed goods at a rate 2.8x that of white people who lived in the North.
Does that seem likely to you?
The Adams quote is not evidence, it's merely the source for the claim made in this
article. It's from a book published in 2000. Adams, in that book, may quite possibly provide
evidence the claim is accurate. But that Adams stated something is not evidence that the
statement is true.
So the North did not used finished goods or farm equipment? The question is not whether
the South paid tariffs on imported goods, it's whether the 29% of southern whites paid 80% of
the tariffs, rather than the 71% of northern whites. Which would mean southern whites would
have consumed finished good and farm equipment at a rate almost 3x that of northern whites.
Which doesn't make a great deal of sense.
It is often claimed that the South was agricultural while the North was industrial. But of
course in 1860 the North was also still primarily agricultural. Of the 18.5M northern whites,
5M or 27% were urban (defined as living in towns over 2500). Of the 8M southern whites, 1.2M
or 15% were urban by this definition. (Which is probably not the best definition.)
This means that 73% of northern whites did not live in cities or even towns. As in the
South, most of them were farmers. This was especially the case outside of the Northeast,
where cities and industry were concentrated.
An Iowa farmer paid (indirectly) exactly the same tariff as the South Carolina planter.
And, for that matter, so did the Pennsylvania mill owner or worker.
" In summary, slavery was the primary cause of conflict between the states, "
Weird, in a country that treated the Indians far worse than the slaves.
I spoke to an old USA lady, who was proud on her grandfather participating in smuggling run
away slaves to the North.
When I talked about the Indians her reply was 'before the Indians there were others'.
I did not continue the discussion, but to this day do not understand how helping black people
was good, but ethnically cleaning and killing Indians was irrelevant.
Read'em and weep my little mis-informed, publicly educated man. Although truth is a bitter
pill, it must be swallowed if you are ever to rise above a mind controlled sheep.
You may very well be right. That book is 500+ pages, and while I downloaded it, I'm not
really going to slog through it to find some quote that may or may not line up with the 80%
number.
However, Taussig, in his discussion of the prewar tariff (Part 2 – Chapter 1),
states that it was the lowest it had been in a long time and was generally along free trade
lines. I don't think anybody is going to find much support in Taussig for the notion that the
intolerable exploitation of the tariff was the primary cause of secession.
I've seen this 80% number tossed around for years, and have never been able to track it to
its lair. The closest I've been able to come is the fact that 60% of exports were cotton, and
if you add in other southern exports, you might get close to 80% of US exports being from the
South.
But of course exports are not tariffs. I suspect the two have been conflated and then the
statistic passed from one source to another without bothering to check if it's, you know,
true.
Say's the MAGA Trumptard .Try as you might, sometimes it is impossible to stomp out
ignorance from the public and the propaganda(lies) from the likes of the Neocon knee boy
D'Souza.
The one very significant fact that becomes clear in his latest cinematic screed is that
D'Souza is ignorant of American history, and that he is an ideological and historical
fabricator who seeks, in the name of defending his adopted nation, to bend and mishandle
its history to fit a preconceived narrative which satisfies his Neoconservative task
masters.
In my experience with American "educators," I can state with confidence that the great
bulk of them fit the description of "ignorant fabricator" or worse. Much the same can be said
of the products of their so called "education" including journalists and pundits.
The other factor cited was that majority of federal spending would be in the North.
Federal in 1860 was $78M. Let's at least note that in a country of 32M people this was an
itsy-bitsy amount, nothing even remotely similar to the impact of federal spending today. It
was $2.43 per person. Hard to be terribly oppressive with that kind of budget!
Hard to find numbers on what the government spent its money on and where. But 37% was
Defense and 4% interest.
Much if not most of the Defense funds were spent in the West, where most troops were
stationed. Which was of course neither in North nor South. A lot of Defense money at this
time was also being spent on fortifications to defend ports. The South, having a much longer
coastline, got a big chunk of this money, with, famously, a big project underway at Fort
Sumter.
Another big chunk of spending was clearly related to the overhead of the government, as
largely located in DC. Which was in the South.
One of the biggest operations of the federal government was the postal system, which is
population related.
So while it's possible the majority of federal funds were spent in the North, depending on
how you define the terms, I'd be very surprised indeed if more federal funds were spent in
northern states than their percentage of the population.
Great article by Boyd in once again exposing the massive lies about "hero" Lincoln and the
true causes of the war of northern aggression. I see the trolls or mis-informed are also here
in force. Just a little advice from George Carlin: "Never argue with an idiot.They will only
bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Your link reiterates the claim that protective tariffs were the primary cause of the war.
But it asserts the claim. It provides very little in the way of evidence.
Amusingly, the cartoon about the Morrill Tariff is dated April 13, which was of course
long after the initial secession. The Morill Tariff was passed as a result of secession,
because it removed a large chunk of opponents from Congress, allowing it to pass when it had
failed previously.
You simply can't use a tariff that passed after and because of secession as the cause of
that secession.
You know, I've read the Declarations of Secession of every state, though it's been a
while. Every one of them cites as the reasons for seceding primarily issues related to
slavery. I don't recall any mention of tariffs at all, though it's possible they were cited
in passing.
If excessive tariffs/taxation were the cause of secession, how exactly was the South
planning to finance its new government? The South would now have the full overhead of a
govenrment, formerly split with the North. It would also clearly have to finance a major
expansion of Defense to guard a long and hostile border with the USA. It's likely that if the
South had left the Union uncontested, its 8M whites would have wound up bearing a larger tax
burden than the 27M whites of the united country bore in 1860.
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White Southerners seem to have a huge hard-on for Jews. There are not many Jews in the South
compared to Long Island or California. So why do white Southerners have this thing about
Jews?
#1 Reason since just over 100 yrs ago is .The Cyrus Scofield-perverted interpretations KJV
Bible, and the fact that about 99% of Scofield Bible evangelical Jewdeo-Christian Devotees
reside within the very same 10 or so Southern States that made up the Confeds of the civil
war era.
These are the who's that make up the huge vast majority of Jewdo-Zio-Christians, who
basically worship, Jews & Israel, and do so regardless of what Jewry or Israel has ever
done or will do that most sane folk consider to be wrong, bad, evil, unethical, and immoral.
In other words, when the issue revolves around Israel or Jews Both can never, ever do such
wrongs etc Period. No amount of proofs, documented and vetted facts, or anything else can
change this. Only a self-wake-up, performed by each affected and delusional, warped minded
individual has any chance of real success at lasting and good changes.
Just among the Southern Baptist Conference group membership, is a whopping, 25,000,000+
individual members. This is the absolute largest sized group, aprox. one half of entire
amount, of such worshipers of Jewry & Israel within the entire, Jewnited Snakes of
Jewmerica.
And furthermore, if not for their rabid foam at mouth worship of both entities, aka
synagogue of Satan combo of Jewry+Israel, America would never be able to continue on as an,
Colony of Tel Aviv Israel. There also would be massive exiting of most neocon repubs, who
also worship Jewry & Israel, if not for these so totally Duped Via scam Scofield
falsehood biblical interpretations, voters.
Now do you understand, HTF aka how the fuck in the world did Nikki Haley get elected as
Governor in a deep south state of S. Carolina ? Or Bobby Jindal also Governor in another deep
south state ? .Very easy to do, all those two Israel firster clowns needed do to get elected
by mostly White Southern voters .Was to state their deep love for and never ending support
for Jewry & Israel! .And an election win was in the proverbial bag, eh. Add in massive,
several generations worth of, constant White Guilt effects, and the fools would likely elect
Chicago's Louie Da Farakahn as Alabama Governor as long as he too did a 180 and stated avowed
love and support for Jewry & Israel. Cuz, Now he beez a Changed colored folk man, and
seen dat light to worship Jewry like's we does.
The first US Supreme Ct. Case about, is a slave owned as Real property, like land or
homes? Was a case dealing with a run away slave, that ended up in some northern state and was
being protected by those northern folks. The BLACK Man slave OWNER, of the run away black
slave, is who brought that case to supreme court .and He Won his case. Supremes decided a
slave was property owned by slave owner who paid $$$ for his slave, and no matter Where slave
was found or protected from return to slave owner Black man, those northern protector folks
Had to hand slave back over to his Black Man slave owner. So that refutes the part you wrote
of .."Yeah, you can say that Africans were property, but they were not property on the north
shore of the Great Lakes. Why would they be on the south? "
It is probably a good thing that the GA state, Black Woman who owned over, 300 black
slaves, and was about the wealthiest $$$ Woman in the state then, didn't have her slaves run
away eh? Because for her to need bring hundreds of run away slave cases all the way to us
supreme ct, would have likely depleted her vast $$$ holdings down to, herself perhaps needing
to work as a black slave just to eat eh.
Funny/Ironic they never taught us about Black Slave Owners back in school 50+ years ago
eh? I reckon such truthful facts would cause all the anti-whitey propaganda agendas to, fast
come Unglued and so awaken dumbed down white kids, they may never recover to again maintain
vast white guilt feelings the Jewdeo-commie-Marxist Frankfurtist's worked so hard to develop
in Whites.
If you have not read the book, Gangs of New York , strongly recommend it.
The depiction in the movie is confused, too brief, and does not capture the scale at all.
Really, it was one of the battles of the war, not just 'riots'.
Reading the account, the idea of the CSA somehow having some coordination with the
anti-draft protestors would make a nice (but unlikely, due to pace, other factors)
counter-factual history.
GoNY is worth reading in general, but the most surprising parts to me were that part and
the final parts on the rise of Jewish organised crime in Noo Yawk.
No doubt, both topics that Scorcese was wanting to avoid.
The movie seems not near his best at all, especially after reading the book.
Do you want others to post the texts, with annotations, of the books to which you've now
been directed? In a comment thread under an article on a website? I doubt that you would be
so absurd and ungracious without pseudonymity.
At this point, it now is incumbent on you to either (i) back down or (ii) go find and
share the title of a scholarly work that might validate your hunches. Then, those who care to
learn the truth can dig in. A group that apparently doesn't include "Logan."
Heros: Indeed, and here are a couple of famous high rated Jewish guys who fully confirm
the Vast, Huge, Massive role Jews played in not only America's slave trading/owning business
But also, even long prior when Jews had control of European slavery, which consisted mostly
of, European White Christians that Jews sold into slavery, To Arabs After Jews stole or
kidnapped said euro white Christians of course.
"Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American
colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently
dominated. This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth
century Jews participated in the 'triangular trade' that brought slaves from Africa to the
West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and
converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750s, David
Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760s, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760s and early
1770s dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent."
-- Marc Raphael (Jew): "Jews and Judaism in the United States: A Documentary History"
This quoted statement is from the same book, Blood Passover, that not too long ago an UNZ
Article was done about it!
"During this period, Jewish merchants, from the cities in the valley of the Rhône,
Verdun, Lione, Arles and Narbonne, in addition to Aquisgrana, the capital of the empire in
the times of Louis the Pious [Louis I]; and in Germany from the centres of the valley of the
Rhine, from Worms, Magonza and Magdeburg; in Bavaria and Bohemia, from Regensburg and Prague
– were active in the principal markets in which slaves (women, men, eunuchs) were
offered for sale, by Jews, sometimes after abducting them from their houses. From Christian
Europe the human merchandise was exported to the Islamic lands of Spain, in which there was a
lively market. The castration of these slaves, particularly children, raised their prices,
and was no doubt a lucrative and profitable practice "
-- Dr. Ariel Toaff, Chapter Eight, Blood Passover . This book was ordered taken off book
shelves and destroyed. Toaff was the son of the chief rabbi of Rome and had access to
synagogue writings dating back to the Middle Ages.
And it wasn't any "Nazis" or German's who did the book burnings on that expose' of Jewry
eh.
"To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the
killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us
openly."
-- The Talmud: Libbre David 37
"The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud."
-- Michael Rodkinson, in preface of Babylonian Talmud, page XI.
"The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever
laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe -- whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, or
merely spasmodic sentimentalists -- we follow the Talmud. It is our common law."
-- Herman Wouk, "This is My God." Wouk wrote the book and screenplay "Winds of War," popular
back in the 1970's.
Well, perhaps those last few quotes explain or answer the question of, "Gee why are there
so very Few good Jews it seems, huh"? Ie: 99%+ adhere to their Talmud.
He assumed our military could quickly overrun the much weaker Confederate state
militias, but it turned into a disastrous war.
Sorry, but this is flatly untrue. Lincoln was entirely aware that he did not have forces
sufficient to crush the rebellion.
The entire US Army in 1860 was composed of 16,000 men and officers, almost all scattered
across the West in tiny packets to defend against Indians. About 20% of them promptly left
when secession and war broke out.
So by the time of Sumter, Lincoln had perhaps 14,000 men scattered across an entire
continent. At this same time the state of SC alone fielded around 10,000 men, albeit mostly
not nearly as well trained or armed as the Regulars.
In fact, during the very early days of the War Lincoln's primary concern was that there
simply was nothing at all to stop southern troops from marching straight into DC. I've not
been able to find numbers for VA militia in 1860, but given that its white population was 3x
that of SC, I think it's not unreasonable to assume VA had 25,000 or more men under arms in
April of 1860. That would have outnumbered the entire US Army almost 2:1, even assuming the
Regulars were concentrated, which they most certainly were not.
People just don't realize how tiny the early 19th century US Army was. The organized
militia of the Nauvoo Legion in the early 1840s numbered at least 2500. Compare that to the
8500 in the entire US Army. That's a single city.
The title of the movie should have been, "Dems R Real Rayciss, Part 2; Electric Bugaloo"
I agree with pretty much everything in this article. I'm not a degreed historian (and
don't play one on TV), but I have been reading and studying this conflict for more than 40
years. The perspective is always given from the wrong angle, that of the people of the North
vs. the people of the South; it was not. It was the elites of the North vs. the elites of the
South.
Elites of the North were industrialist, bankers, and those involved in commerce. The
elites of the South were the Planters. What they were fighting over was the treasury, most
specifically Mercantilist use of the treasury; i.e. spending Federal funds on roads, canals,
bridges, harbors, and railroads to benefit commerce and trade. If anything approaching half
of that spending had occured in the South, allowing Southern elites to profit from it, there
would have been no war. As it was, almost all of it was spent north of the Mason Dixon
line.
The Planter elite were THE Congressional opposition to various bills proposing the use of
Federal funds for infrastructure improvement. All such projects were plagued with graft and
corruption, all ran over budget and schedule. The Achilles Heel of the planters was slavery,
and THAT is why slavery was attacked. The vast majority of the people of the North could
hardly care less, except that they considered the practice embarrassing, like a preacher
having a drunk for a brother.
There are always at least two reasons for every war; those used to motivate the common
masses to fight, and the real reason, which is always and forever power, or control of
resources. This war was no different. James McPherson, prof. of History Emeritus, Princeton,
a man who HATES the South, investigated the reasons common soldiers fought, and discovered,
to his dismay, that the men of both sides fought for almost exactly the same reasons, they
just interpreted them differently. The men of both sides saw themselves as patriots;
Northerners defending the Union, and Southerners defending the ideals of the Revolution.
It was a complicated war, and anytime it is painted in simple terms, it is done so for
some political or ideological purpose having nothing to do with presenting a factual and
honest narrative.
BUT LET ME SAY THIS AS BOLDY AS I CAN – IT DOESN'T MATTER TODAY. IT MAKES NO
DIFFERENCE NOW. IT IS A FRACTURE POINT TO DIVIDE US AT A TIME WE SHOULD BE UNITED.
The Dems R Real Rayciss meme was introduced originally by Dinesh, and was very popular
among misguided, historically ignorant Southerners, and still is among some. This meme is the
very reason we got traitor Nikki Haley for governor, and houseboy Tim Scott for a senator
here in SC. The gaping flaw of this meme is that it acknowledges the social, racial, and
cultural arguments of the progressives, and in reponse merely says, "no, you are."
This meme irritates me like no other, because I, for one, believe the Democrats in those
days were right, and the Republicans were not only wrong, but were destructive to American
ideals. The United States was founded as a free and voluntary Union of States. That union was
destroyed the day Lincoln called for volunteers to invade the Southern states. Lincoln and
the Republicans destroyed the free union, and erected another from its ashes, the one we live
with today.
The Democrats were right about States Rights (10th Amendment), slavery, the Constitution,
and later they were right in confronting the Radical Republicans during Reconstruction. They
were right about keeping the races separated. Readers of this site, especially those iSteve
readers, are aware of the consequences borne by the white race since the Democrats abandoned
racial reality.
The Republicans today are not the Republicans of 1860, nor are they the polar opposite of
the Democrats, though I wish they were.
Whether our ancestors were Confederate, like mine, or Union, or both, or neither if your
ancestors came afterwards, is of little consequence today. We can argue points of contention
about a war already fought and won in our spare time, but we do have a war going on now, one
every bit as grave and consequential to the future of the United States, and we should really
focus on that.
Wiki: "The first Chief Justice of the United States was John Jay; the Court's first
docketed case was Van Staphorst v. Maryland (1791), and its first recorded decision was West
v. Barnes (1791)."
Neither had anything to do with slavery.
Methinks you're conflating the much earlier case where a Virginia colonial court first
decided that blacks could be held in permanent slavery, rather than indentured servitude with
a limited term of service. Ironically, the plaintiff/owner in that case was himself a black
man who had previously served a term as an indentured servant.
I stated my opinion that it is inaccurate, and requested evidence to the contrary, if it
exists.
One of the more common logical fallacies is "shifting the burden of proof." The article
made a claim about facts. I requested evidence that the claim is true. So you and others
respond by claiming that I must disprove the claim. That's not how logic works.
Same thing applies to any such claim as that "Sherman is a pederast Cultural Marxist."
I can reply that the accusation is untrue, which of course it is. But I can't prove it to
be untrue, as "proving a negative" is inherently very difficult, though not perhaps always
impossible. This is the main reason our legal system requires the State to prove the guilt of
the accused, not the accused to prove his innocence of the charges.
Luckily, the burden of proof is on the accuser in this case also. Feel free to provide any
evidence you might have that any of these aspersions are accurate.
I looked up Taussig, one of those to which I was referred. Did not read the 500 page book,
but did read the chapter about the prewar tariff. It does not at all line up with what is
claimed. In fact, he states that the prewar, pre-secession tariff was largely free trade. I
refer you to Part 2, Chapter 1 of his book.
I haven't read Adams, also cited as a reference. Possibly his book includes documentation
that the claim is accurate.
But it all gets back to the "burden of proof."
Person A: The wage gap between men and women is entirely the result of sex
discrimination.
Person B: Can you provide proof that your assertion is true?
Person A: I don't have to. It's up to you to prove it is false.
Okay, okay. It's not a very good analogy, as proving that other factors also play at least
some role in the wage gap is not hard. But my point is that if one asserts a claim as fact,
one should be prepared to back up that claim with evidence. Which does not consist of a
reference to a book in which purportedly the author made the claim. That author also would be
required to prove the truth of the claim.
I have had such conversations a number of times with Leftists/Liberals. They never have an
answer that makes sense.
My assessment is it primarily is about the Who/Whom. The best way to grasp that is to know
that while so much as being white and living in a state that had legal slavery in 1860 marks
you condemned, being the direct ancestor of super rich New England WASPs who made a fortune
from slave trading is not to be discussed in public, much less condemned.
The Who/Whom is not about the non-whites involved but the whites doing to other whites as
the end game. Pure WASPs from New England and the whites who became their closest allies by
the Revolution (NY Dutch and PA Quakers and Old Germans) cannot be held accountable for slave
trading (though nearly 100% of the massively profitable cross-Atlantic slave trade was by
those very people). So the 'other whites' are damned as white trash.
If whites moving in and displacing Indians is The Great Sin, then all those Yankees are
guilty as Hell. But if the Great Sin, the Unpardonable Sin, is owning black slaves, then the
original 'mainstream media' which was owned and operated 100% by Yankee WASPs could declare
that slave shipping by their people was to be forgotten and also that what happened to
Indians was totally insignificant compared to the pure evil of owning a black slave in
1860.
And then they could claim that all their usurpations of government were really about
saving the Union an spreading democracy.
Jews did not invent the ultra hypocrisy and self-righteous mendacity and blood-lust that
IS Neo-conservatism.
What you are demanding is information not easily acquirable on the internet, namely
records of Federal Revenue, broken down geographically, and Federal spending broken down the
same way. Such records exist, but I have only seen them in the footnotes of various books.
Let me aid your understanding, however.
Remember reading of the American Industrial Revolution? Where did it take place? In New
England, of course. And in 1860 there were counties in New England that had more
manufacturing than every state in the Confederacy combined. These tariffs were protective in
nature, and only placed on manufactured goods. At first they were only placed on those goods
which were also produced in the US, but later nearly anything manufactured outside of the US
was subject to a tax.
Who paid the tariffs? Those who purchased goods manufactured outside the US. The planters
of the South paid a generally agreed upon estimate of 80% of tariffs due to simply wanting
things not manufactured in the US; grand pianos, gilded mirrors, certain tiles for roofs,
English buggies and carriages, French dresses, etc., etc.
The Nullification Crisis over the Morrill Tariff only happened because the South paid most
of the taxes. It was the South, particularly South Carolina, which objected to the increase
in tax rates. I must also point out to those unaware that John C. Calhoun supported tariffs
for the common good of the United States; he was not opposed to them until this point in
time, and only opposed them out of political expediency.
It's pretty clear from a casual reading of the history that the Southern states, who had
no manufacturing to speak of, paid most of the tariffs, and benefitted from them the least.
Whether or not you're satisfied, this is so.
The next point of contention is where the revenues were spent. Southern senators and
congressmen were not without power, in fact they were the dominant power up until around
1830. The fight over slavery in the new territories was all about congressional
representation, and guarding the parity which was reached in 1830. So there were some
projects, mostly military forts and bases, in the South, built with federal money.
However the largest part of federal spending was infrastructure to ease transportation for
commerce. Some money was spent on the nation's two largest ports of the time, Charleston and
New Orleans, but much, much more was spent on canals, such as the Erie Canal, railroads, and
bridges up North. Most federal infrastructure spending, by far, were those projects which
aided the transportation of raw goods from the Midwest to the East Coast.
There are books which break these down in detail, but I'm not going to be your private
Google and hunt them down for you. There are no historians I have read, or read of, who
contest this particular point, that the South paid most of the tariffs, and that most of the
money from them was spent up North.
EXCELLENT article. I love reading concise argument presented by someone who knows how to
think and write. We are lost, but as the writer makes clear, the losing has been a long time
in the making.
You are correct. Civil war had nothing to do with slavery. Civil war was about textile
industry, and so keeping the profits in US instead giving them to England. Slavery was only
flag of camouflage.
Just as in Orwells OCEANIA history is be rewritten every day by the Zionists who control the
U.S. gov and just like Oceania it is rewritten to satisfy the Zionist line whatever that may
happen to be at the time.
War is peace, ignorance is strength and freedom is slavery and Israel is the sacred
cow.
Much like what happened with the Soviet Union, when the end comes for the "United" States,
secession will be the mechanism that allows it to happen. Going forward, states rights, once
a nearly forgotten topic of discussion, will become increasingly debated.
Just a couple of points; One is that the Emancipation Proclamation specifically excluded
Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Delaware (slave states which did not secede), as well as
Tennessee, 7 parishes in Louisiana, and 10 counties in Virginia, all of which were currently
under Federal control.
I think it's a bit naïve to lay the war at Lincoln's feet, and neglect the powers
that raised him from a railroad lawyer to President. The elite of both sides were ready to
fight, and I believe that by that time a war was unavoidable. All Lincoln could have done was
delay the inevitable.
There was a documentary I watched not long ago on dueling in the South. One professor from
Virginia held that the war was the largest, and last, duel in American history. The
Southerners honor was besmirched by the claims of the North, and the press in particular, and
nothing would suffice save blood be shed on the field of honor. This is something not given
much attention, but it should be. The Code Duello in use at the time was written by a former
governor of South Carolina, and planters would duel at the drop of a hat, and drop the hat
themselves. Andrew Jackson fought 13 duels, and was not atypical of the elite of the
time.
The Northern interests wanted to forever defeat their enemy, the planters, and turn the
South into a colony, of sorts. They also saw a lot of money to be made selling goods to the
army and navy, and the opportunity to force huge changes in the government in the expediency
of war. "Never let a good crisis go to waste," is something that was not invented by Rahm
Emanuel.
Those who fought for the Union were fighting to defend the United States from Balkanization
and dissolution at the hands of the predatory British and French Empires. Those who fought
for the Confederacy were fighting to defend their perceived state and local rights. Chattel
slavery was a secondary issue.
It is time to let this conflict rest in peace. We can attribute noble motives to both
sides, provided we recognize the excesses committed- particularly those by Sherman on his
march through Georgia and the Carolinas- as well as the horrendous treatment of the prisoners
of war by both sides.
Too nuanced and truthful to ever be seen or heard, much less comprehended, by
98% of the people in this country of TV-level, willful ignorance.
I so wanted to hit the "agree" button, but my Aspie nature kicked in and so instead I
FIFY.
Nothing "nuanced" about it. It galls me to no end that the evil bastard who slaughtered
more Americans than any other, who shredded the Constitution of our Republic, has a gigantic
monument in his honor on the National Mall and is enshrined as a hero by the public. And I
have family who died on the wrong side of Lincoln's evil War of Northern Oppression.
Butchering 2.4% of the population, Lincoln was by far the most evil man in American
history and one of the worst in human history.
"... Sanders and his "Sandernistas" rarely talked about ending US illegal wars of aggression in 2016. If liberal/progressives had insisted that Bernie take an anti-war platform and a reduction of the Empire's military-industrial-complex, then Bernie might well be in the White House now, instead of Trump. Instead most of the Sandernistas told liberal/progressives to shut up about the wars. ..."
"... They said it would be political suicide for Bernie to bring up war during a presidential campaign. Sandernistas said not to worry, because Bernie was secretly antiwar. We fell for that one with Obama, who committed more war crimes than George W. Bush. ..."
"... The Empire's "destructive suction tube" is waging all sorts of wars: military, economic and propaganda. It is waging economic terrorism against the Global South. The Empire-backed World Bank, IMF and gangster banking monopolies force austerity on the poor of the world. Those poor countries in the Global South that are under attack by the Empire's economic terrorist organizations do not get to have Bernie's socialism. Not only do I agree with Andre that we do not deserve Bernie's social programs, nor do we have funds or the energies for them. Bernie and the Sandernistas rarely spoke about rehabilitation of America's poor; it was all about the middle class. Silence is betrayal. ..."
"... The Empire always wants enemies. The public never seems to question why the most powerful military the world has ever known, supposedly has so many poor weak enemies threatening it. It is all a pretext for the Empire to extract wealth from the Global South for the benefit of oligarchs. ..."
"... The Empire never stops plotting to overthrow revolutionary leaders. Venezuela, Iran, Yemen, Syria, Russia, Cuba and North Korea are under attack because they want to go their own way. There will be economic warfare, propaganda warfare, and political warfare, and when those don't work to impose conformity and compliance; there is always the military option. For the Empire "all options are always on the table", including the nuclear option. The Empire would rather see the destruction of the entire world, than to coexist with a threat to its hegemony. ..."
"... Now the cry goes out that the Russians are coming! Those like myself that lived through the Cold War are seeing history repeated. The paranoia, propaganda, lies, repression, persecution and provocations are déjà vu. The US has encircled Russia with military bases, and plays war games on its border. We are told, and we are supposed to believe that Russia is the aggressor and an expansionist threat. ..."
"... Georgia attacks South Ossetia, and we are told that Russia invaded Georgia. The US midwifes a coup against an elected government in Ukraine, but it is Russia that is blamed for destabilizing Ukraine. Crimea has a referendum to rejoin Russia, and we are told that the Russians used military force to annex Crimea. The US has criminally invaded Syria, but we are told that Russia invaded Syria, even though they are there legally. ..."
"... We are supposed to be afraid that Putin will "destroy the West's democracy" by sowing dissention, chaos and meddling in US elections. If anybody wants to destroy America's democracy, then they are several decades too late. It has already been mostly destroyed. The Bill of Rights has been eviscerated, except for the 2 nd Amendment, which is enabling the worst fascistic elements in the US to heavily arm themselves. The police are militarized. The US has secret police, secret courts, and secret prisons. ..."
"... Andre has much to say on all the above issues in his book "Revolutionary Optimism, Western Nihilism". The book is a collection of many of his great writing of the past few years. Shorter versions of his essays have been published in articles by non-Western media, such as the New Eastern Outlook (NEO) as well as Western alternative media such as The Greanville Post. ..."
"... In every direction one turns now they face a barrage of propaganda put out by the Empire. Most Americans are isolated and know very little about the rest of the world. For many people the mainstream media is their only source for information. What they get is a steady stream of propaganda that Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Yemen, Syria, North Korea and Russia are evil. They believe it, just like when I was a child, I believed the US propaganda during the Cold War. Russia was both feared and ridiculed when I was growing up. I was told that communism never works, and that Russia cannot even make toilets that flush. Imagine how surprised I was when I finally went to Russia and found out that their toilets work just fine. ..."
"... In the Empire one is only valuable for what they have to sell. It is all about dollars and cents, and the logic of the market. The market determines the value of everything, including people. If it has a market price, then it has value. If not then it is worthless and of no value, according to the market. ..."
"... I do not want to undermine Andre Vltchek or David Pear, even though Andre tends to get carried away, IMHO. I'd like to correct at least one thing. Regarding Georgian aggression against South Ossetia, at the beginning the US media (including all TV channels) reported events as they were: Georgia attacked South Ossetia, Georgian troops are shelling Tskhinval, killed many Ossetian civilians and Russian peacekeepers. Then they got their marching orders and turned the story the opposite way: Russia invaded Georgia. Their assumption was that the US public is too dumb to remember what was said the day before. The sad thing is, they were right. ..."
"... As far as Syria is concerned, the lies were there from day one. Thanks to propaganda, most Americans don't even know that Russia and Iran are in Syria legally, on the invitation of its legitimate government represented in the UN, whereas the US is there illegally by both international and US law. ..."
"... The same is true about Yemen: genocidal war by Saudis and other Gulf satrapies against Yemen was always presented as something good, whereas Yemeni resistance to foreign occupiers as something bad. The US in Yemen went the whole mile, showing its true colors for all to see: in the fight against Houthis it allied itself not only with Saudis, but even with their copycats ISIS, created and armed by the US for Saudi money. ..."
A lot of people are not going to like Andre's book "
Revolutionary Optimism, Western Nihilism ", I can tell you that right now. The first to
hate it will be the Empire, because they fear truth-tellers more than bomb-throwers. The next
who will not like Andre's book will be the smug critics who want to nitpick his every word. I
am not talking about the Deep State and its Mockingbirds. I am talking about the so-called
liberal/progressives; especially the ones that never get off of the "proverbial couches of
spinelessness", which Andre speaks of. You have to be brave to put up with their shit. This is
the time when we should be organizing and supporting each other, instead of criticizing, and
letting the Empire divide us. Andre is a revolutionary writer and doer that is on a mission
that is bigger than himself.
As Andre says: "Obedient and cowardly masses hate those who are different". Different is an
understatement to describe Andre Vitchek. You'll not find many like him in Europe or North
America. You may have to go to South America, Africa, Asia, or Russia to find such uniquely
honest voices.
Russia is the perfect metaphor for Andre: Russia is neither Europe nor Asia; it is both and
neither. Like Russia, Andre is unique. He is neither this nor that. He is a writer,
philosopher, photo journalist, pamphleteer, activist, witness and doer. He is all of those
things, but above all he is a humanist and an artist. He is an optimistic pessimist. Only a
hopeless optimist would say:
"One day, hopefully soon, humanism will win over dark nihilism; people will live for other
people and not for some cold profits, religious dogmas and "Western values".
Western values, now that is an oxymoron if there ever was one. Andre is a pessimist that
sees and writes about the anti-humanism and the soullessness of so-called Western values. He
exposes it for what it is: gray, cold and without spirit.
Andre says he is a Communist in an era when being a communist is not fashionable. Most
liberal/progressives are afraid to mention John Maynard Keynes, let alone Marx, Lenin and
Mao.
For a while in 2016 pseudo-socialism was popular among supporters of Bernie Sanders, whom
claimed to be a socialist. He promised his followers what every poll shows that most Americans
want: universal healthcare, low cost higher education, better infrastructure, strong economic
safety nets, and $15 dollars an hour minimum wage. Where have all these so-called socialists
gone now that Bernie disillusioned them? Chasing illusionary Russian spies, it seems.
Sanders and his "Sandernistas" rarely talked about ending US illegal wars of aggression in
2016. If liberal/progressives had insisted that Bernie take an anti-war platform and a
reduction of the Empire's military-industrial-complex, then Bernie might well be in the White
House now, instead of Trump. Instead most of the Sandernistas told liberal/progressives to shut
up about the wars.
They said it would be political suicide for Bernie to bring up war during a
presidential campaign. Sandernistas said not to worry, because Bernie was secretly antiwar. We
fell for that one with Obama, who committed more war crimes than George W. Bush.
Andre has the guts to say that liberal/progressives do not deserve free college, universal
healthcare and all the goodies that Bernie was selling us, while also peddling the trillion
dollar F-35 boondoggle. I agree with Andre, especially since Bernie sold out his loyal
followers, and sheep dogged for warmongering Hillary. We do not deserve social programs at
home, while the Empire is killing millions of people with all the US illegal wars of
aggression. As Martin Luther King, Jr. said:
"A time comes when silence is betrayal -- I knew that America would never invest the
necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam
continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic destructive suction tube."
The Empire's "destructive suction tube" is waging all sorts of wars: military, economic and
propaganda. It is waging economic terrorism against the Global South. The Empire-backed World
Bank, IMF and gangster banking monopolies force austerity on the poor of the world. Those poor
countries in the Global South that are under attack by the Empire's economic terrorist
organizations do not get to have Bernie's socialism. Not only do I agree with Andre that we do
not deserve Bernie's social programs, nor do we have funds or the energies for them. Bernie and
the Sandernistas rarely spoke about rehabilitation of America's poor; it was all about the
middle class. Silence is betrayal.
Whatever the Empire does in foreign lands, sooner or later the chickens come home to roost.
The Empire keeps crushing countries of the Global South whose leaders want to use their
country's natural resources for their own people. Anti-colonial revolutionaries like Castro,
Che and Ho were personally vilified for not embracing the Empire's neocolonial model of
capitalism. The Empire conspires to overthrow governments that nationalize their country's
natural resources, and have social programs for the people.
The Empire always wants enemies. The public never seems to question why the most powerful
military the world has ever known, supposedly has so many poor weak enemies threatening it. It
is all a pretext for the Empire to extract wealth from the Global South for the benefit of
oligarchs.
The Empire never stops plotting to overthrow revolutionary leaders. Venezuela, Iran, Yemen,
Syria, Russia, Cuba and North Korea are under attack because they want to go their own way.
There will be economic warfare, propaganda warfare, and political warfare, and when those don't
work to impose conformity and compliance; there is always the military option. For the Empire
"all options are always on the table", including the nuclear option. The Empire would rather
see the destruction of the entire world, than to coexist with a threat to its hegemony.
Now the cry goes out that the Russians are coming! Those like myself that lived through the
Cold War are seeing history repeated. The paranoia, propaganda, lies, repression, persecution
and provocations are déjà vu. The US has encircled Russia with military bases,
and plays war games on its border. We are told, and we are supposed to believe that Russia is
the aggressor and an expansionist threat.
Georgia attacks South Ossetia, and we are told that Russia invaded Georgia. The US midwifes
a coup against an elected government in Ukraine, but it is Russia that is blamed for
destabilizing Ukraine. Crimea has a referendum to rejoin Russia, and we are told that the
Russians used military force to annex Crimea. The US has criminally invaded Syria, but we are
told that Russia invaded Syria, even though they are there legally.
We are supposed to be afraid that Putin will "destroy the West's democracy" by sowing
dissention, chaos and meddling in US elections. If anybody wants to destroy America's
democracy, then they are several decades too late. It has already been mostly destroyed. The
Bill of Rights has been eviscerated, except for the 2 nd Amendment, which is
enabling the worst fascistic elements in the US to heavily arm themselves. The police are
militarized. The US has secret police, secret courts, and secret prisons.
Nationalism that breeds repression at home and wars abroad is running amok. The people no
longer have the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Protesters are
restricted to so-called free-speech zones, and they are subject to indiscriminate mass arrest.
The people are told to obey the government, but it is the government that is supposed to obey
the people in a democracy. Those that don't worship the flag, and praise militarism are accused
of being unpatriotic.
Andre has much to say on all the above issues in his book "Revolutionary Optimism, Western
Nihilism". The book is a collection of many of his great writing of the past few years. Shorter
versions of his essays have been published in articles by non-Western media, such as the New
Eastern Outlook (NEO) as well as Western alternative media such as The Greanville Post.
Andre writes about the Empire's many crimes. Terrible crimes have been committed against
millions of people who have done the West no harm, and were of no threat. The Empire and its
vassal states punish people of the Global South for being born in countries with vast natural
resources that the Empire covets. Andre gives these victims a voice and a human face.
Andre's writings are not for the faint of heart or the weak of stomach. He will pound the
truth into you on every page, and you may not be able to put his book down, as I could not. The
reader realizes that Andre is on a mission. Part of that mission is to be the conscience of the
world, and to make sure that the victimized are not forgotten and that they are not alone.
Andre has a great capacity for empathy. His writing, videos and documentaries cry out for the world
to have empathy too. The world is empathy deficient.
Even for those that already intellectually know the truths that Andre writes about, will
have that truth pound into their hearts and souls. Unfortunately, the people that are ignorant
of the truth are the most likely ones not to read Andre. We all know people like that. They are
our brother-in-law, neighbors, and the students and professors in our institutions of so-called
higher learning. Our schools do not teach the important truths and philosophies anymore. They
have just become vocational schools turning out accountants, lawyers, propagandist,
stockbrokers, and super sales people to keep churning money in the economy, so that it flows up
the food chain.
In every direction one turns now they face a barrage of propaganda put out by the Empire.
Most Americans are isolated and know very little about the rest of the world. For many people
the mainstream media is their only source for information. What they get is a steady stream of
propaganda that Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Yemen, Syria, North Korea and Russia are evil. They
believe it, just like when I was a child, I believed the US propaganda during the Cold War.
Russia was both feared and ridiculed when I was growing up. I was told that communism never
works, and that Russia cannot even make toilets that flush. Imagine how surprised I was when I
finally went to Russia and found out that their toilets work just fine.
When I mentioned the above story to someone who was regurgitating anti-Putin propaganda he
asked me a rhetorical question:
"As for Russia, besides the toilets flushing, was there anything you wanted to buy there
besides vodka and nesting dolls? Or do they have anything that you would wish that we imported
(like Japanese cars or Chinese clothing or Swiss watches, etc.)?"
I know that Andre gets the stupidity of that question. In the Empire one is only valuable
for what they have to sell. It is all about dollars and cents, and the logic of the market. The
market determines the value of everything, including people. If it has a market price, then it
has value. If not then it is worthless and of no value, according to the market.
Andre writes about things that are priceless and have great value. They are the things of
life that make us human, instead of robots. There is no market for love and living a fulfilling
life. It is free if one knows how to find it. Andre helps to show us the way.
Excerpt from Thomas Sowell's book Intellectuals and Society:
What preferences are revealed by the actual behavior of intellectuals -- especially in
their social crusades -- and how do such revealed preferences compare with their rhetoric?
The professed beliefs of intellectuals center about their concern for others -- especially
for the poor, for minorities, for "social justice" and for protecting endangered species and
saving the environment, for example. Their rhetoric is too familiar and too pervasive to
require elaboration here. The real question, however, is: What are their revealed
preferences?
The phrase "unintended consequences" has become a cliché precisely because so many
policies and programs intended, for example, to better the situation of the less fortunate
have in fact made their situation worse, that it is no longer possible to regard good
intentions as automatic harbingers of good results. Anyone whose primary concern is in
improving the lot of the less fortunate would therefore, by this time, after decades of
experience with negative "unintended consequences," see a need not only to invest time and
efforts to turn good intentions into policies and programs, but also to invest time and
efforts afterwards into trying to ferret out answers as to what the actual consequences of
those policies and programs have been.
Moreover, anyone whose primary concern was improving the lot of the less fortunate would
also be alert and receptive to other factors from beyond the vision of the intellectuals,
when those other factors have been found empirically to have helped advance the well-being of
the less fortunate, even if in ways not contemplated by the intelligentsia and even if in
ways counter to the beliefs or visions of the intelligentsia.
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In short, one of the ways to test whether expressed concerns for the well-being of the less
fortunate represent primarily a concern for that well-being or a use of the less fortunate as
a means to condemn society, or to seek either political or moral authority over society -- to
be on the side of the angels against the forces of evil -- would be to see the revealed
preferences of intellectuals in terms of how much time and energy they invest in promoting
their vision, as compared to how much time and energy they invest in scrutinizing (1) the
actual consequences of things done in the name of that vision and (2) benefits to the less
fortunate created outside that vision and even counter to that vision.
Crusaders for a "living wage" or to end "sweatshop labor" in the Third World, for example,
may invest great amounts of time and energy promoting those goals but virtually none in
scrutinizing the many studies done in countries around the world to discover the actual
consequences of minimum wage laws in general or of "living wage" laws in particular. These
consequences have included such things as higher levels of unemployment and longer periods of
unemployment, especially for the least skilled and least experienced segments of the
population. Whether one agrees with or disputes these studies, the crucial question here is
whether one bothers to read them at all.
If the real purpose of social crusades is to make the less fortunate better off, then the
actual consequences of such policies as wage control become central and require
investigation, in order to avoid "unintended consequences" which have already become widely
recognized in the context of many other policies. But if the real purpose of social crusades
is to proclaim oneself to be on the side of the angels, then such investigations have a low
priority, if any priority at all, since the goal of being on the side of the angels is
accomplished when the policies have been advocated and then instituted, after which social
crusaders can move on to other issues. The revealed preference of many, if not most, of the
intelligentsia has been to be on the side of the angels.
The same conclusion is hard to avoid when looking at the response of intellectuals to
improvements in the condition of the poor that follow policies or circumstances which offer
no opportunities to be on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. For example,
under new economic policies beginning in the 1990s, tens of millions of people in India have
risen above that country's official poverty level. In China, under similar policies begun
earlier, a million people a month have risen out of poverty. Surely anyone concerned with the
fate of the less fortunate would want to know how this desirable development came about for
such vast numbers of very poor people -- and therefore how similar improvements might be
produced elsewhere in the world. But these and other dramatic increases in living standards,
based ultimately on the production of more wealth, arouse little or no interest among most
intellectuals.
However important for the poor, these developments offer no opportunities for the
intelligentsia to be on the side of the angels against the forces of evil -- and that is what
their revealed preferences show repeatedly to be their real priority. Questions about what
policies or conditions increase or decrease the rate of growth of output seldom arouse the
interest of most intellectuals, even though such changes have done more to reduce poverty --
in both rich and poor countries -- than changes in the distribution of income have done.
French writer Raymond Aron has suggested that achieving the ostensible goals of the left
without using the methods favored by the left actually provokes resentments:
"In fact the European Left has a grudge against the United States mainly because the
latter has succeeded by means which were not laid down in the revolutionary code. Prosperity,
power, the tendency towards uniformity of economic conditions -- these results have been
achieved by private initiative, by competition rather than State intervention, in other words
by capitalism, which every well-brought-up intellectual has been taught to despise."
Another excerpt from Intellectuals and Society:
One of the sources of the credibility and influence of intellectuals with the vision of
the anointed is that they are often seen as people promoting the interests of the less
fortunate, rather than people promoting their own financial self-interest. But financial
self-interests are by no means the only self-interests, nor necessarily the most dangerous
self-interests. As T.S. Eliot put it:
"Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important.
They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or
they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of
themselves."
Can you still really call them "revolutionaries" when the ideas and strategies are 150 years
old? When every leftist for generations has been saying the same things, is it still a
visionary act of courage?
I'd welcome a truly revolutionary solution. I'm not convinced it's coming from this
tradition.
I do not want to undermine Andre Vltchek or David Pear, even though Andre tends to get
carried away, IMHO. I'd like to correct at least one thing. Regarding Georgian aggression
against South Ossetia, at the beginning the US media (including all TV channels) reported
events as they were: Georgia attacked South Ossetia, Georgian troops are shelling Tskhinval,
killed many Ossetian civilians and Russian peacekeepers. Then they got their marching orders
and turned the story the opposite way: Russia invaded Georgia. Their assumption was that the
US public is too dumb to remember what was said the day before. The sad thing is, they were
right.
As far as Syria is concerned, the lies were there from day one. Thanks to propaganda, most
Americans don't even know that Russia and Iran are in Syria legally, on the invitation of its
legitimate government represented in the UN, whereas the US is there illegally by both
international and US law.
The same is true about Yemen: genocidal war by Saudis and other Gulf satrapies against
Yemen was always presented as something good, whereas Yemeni resistance to foreign occupiers
as something bad. The US in Yemen went the whole mile, showing its true colors for all to
see: in the fight against Houthis it allied itself not only with Saudis, but even with their
copycats ISIS, created and armed by the US for Saudi money.
" Georgia attacks South Ossetia, "
It did, with huge loans Israeli military hardware was bought, Israel was in the process of
upgrading Migs in Georgia.
President at the time Saaskiville now is in Ukrainian prison, or under investigation by
Kiev.
If he still has a nationality, I do not know.
The Georgian attack was a fiasco, there is just a tunnel between N and S Ossetia.
The Georgian plan was to block the exit to the south, to prevent Russian tanks getting
through.
This had to be done with artillery, firing over a mountain, guided by two Israeli drones.
Russia succeeded in the signals from the drones reaching a satellite, so no blocking, the
tanks came to the rescue.
To this day the Georgian people are paying for the loans.
Israeli technology seems not first class.
Correction: Saakashvili is not in prison, even though he richly deserves to be (just ask
Ossetians: they'd love to hang him for his crimes, but can't get their hands on him, more's
the pity). In fact, his Ukrainian citizenship was revoked, he is now in the Netherlands, of
all places.
As to Israel, it may not be the technology issue. Israel tends to hedge its bets. They
like to get their shekels anywhere they can, but certainly won't go out on a limb for
something worthless and inconsequential, like Georgia.
Vltchek is a privileged fool and some kind of evil propagandist. Look at the places he stays, always 4- or 5-star hotels (except when he stays in a place
where there are none), who pays for all of that?
Perhaps he is independently wealthy on a grand scale. Don't think so. In the immortal words of P.K. Dick in A Scanner Darkly , he is as phony as a
three-dollar bill.
That is a very simplistic view (and implies that you have read very little of
Vltchek). I stopped about two years ago, he is so full of lies, it was tiring to see them.
Have an old comment on this site (when stupid Counterpunch was still publishing his
semi-deranged articles, not that Counterpunch has not gone even worse since) except that his
articles are absent, a small improvement, more than made up for by the newly added other
bullshit artists.
Vltchek is either super-wealthy or subsidized by somebody, it sure is not the Russian
state or any of its arms.
"Washington allies with ISIS as great power conflict trumps "war on terror"
7 August 2018
The "National Defense Strategy" document released at the beginning of this year declared
bluntly that the nearly two-decade focus by the US military on the so-called "global war on
terrorism" had come to an end. In its place, a new strategic orientation was being introduced
based on preparing for "great power" confrontation, i.e., war with nuclear-armed Russia and
China.
This was the first such defense strategy to be issued by the Pentagon in over a decade and
expressed the urgency with which Washington views the preparations for a third world war.
A particularly crude and criminal outcome of this policy shift is becoming increasingly
apparent in three major theaters where US forces are engaged in active combat operations.
Reports from Yemen, Syria and Afghanistan provide firm evidence that the US and its local
proxies are allying themselves with and employing the services of elements of ISIS and Al
Qaeda in the pursuit of Washington's broader strategic interests.
In Yemen, hundreds, if not thousands, of fighters from Al Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula
(AQAP), branded by the US government as the "most dangerous" affiliate of the loose
international Al Qaeda network, have been recruited by Washington's closest allies in the
Arab world, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, to fight as foot soldiers in the
near-genocidal US-backed war that these Persian Gulf oil monarchies have been waging against
the impoverished country of Yemen since 2015.
According to an investigative report published Monday by the Associated Press, the
Saudi-led coalition "cut secret deals with al-Qaida fighters, paying some to leave key cities
and towns and letting others retreat with weapons, equipment and wads of looted cash Hundreds
more were recruited to join the coalition itself."
It added that "Key participants in the pacts said the US was aware of the arrangements and
held off on any drone strikes."
"Elements of the US military are clearly aware that much of what the US is doing in Yemen
is aiding AQAP and there is much angst about that," Michael Horton, a senior analyst at the
Jamestown Foundation, a CIA-connected Washington think tank, told the AP.
"However, supporting the UAE and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia against what the US views as
Iranian expansionism takes priority over battling AQAP and even stabilizing Yemen," Horton
added.
This is a gross understatement. Washington is providing indispensable military support for
a war that has reduced millions of Yemenis to the brink of starvation. It is prepared to wipe
out much of the country's population in order to bolster its strategic position and that of
the reactionary Arab regimes with which it is allied against the perceived threat of Iranian
influence to US regional hegemony.
The war has escalated in recent days in the ongoing siege of the Yemeni Red Sea Port of
Hodeidah, which was green-lighted by the Trump administration. The UN has warned that a
quarter of a million people could lose their lives in this operation, while millions more
across the country may die of starvation if it shuts down the port, the sole lifeline for
food, fuel and medicine for at least 70 percent of the population.
Recruiting Al Qaeda fighters to slaughter Yemenis in this immense and bloody war crime is
entirely consistent with US policy.
In regard to Syria, meanwhile, Russia's Defense Ministry last Thursday issued a statement
warning that ISIS has increasingly concentrated its forces in the area around al-Tanaf, near
the Syrian-Iraqi border, where the US military maintains a military base and has unilaterally
declared a 34-mile exclusion zone around it. US troops there have provided training to
so-called "rebels" opposing the government of President Bashar al-Assad and appear to be
providing a security screen for ISIS."
"Under the mantle of the "war on terrorism," successive US governments, Democratic and
Republican alike, have not only conducted wars whose victims number in the millions, but also
carried out an unrelenting attack on democratic rights, from domestic spying to censoring the
Internet.
The emerging international alliance between the Pentagon and ISIS only serves to expose
the real interests underlying these policies, which are bound up with the waging of war to
offset US imperialism's loss of economic preeminence and defend its crumbling global
hegemony, and domestic repression to sustain a social order characterized by the most extreme
inequality in modern American history."
"While many of the countries that have received detainees have chosen to keep quiet about
the repatriations, the Pentagon confirmed on Tuesday that the Republic of Macedonia had taken
custody of a group of foreign fighters.
"Today's transfer of Foreign Terrorist Fighters to their country of origin, Macedonia, marks
a significant milestone in the much-needed cooperative effort to combat the global threat of
terrorism," Pentagon spokesman Eric Pahon told CNN."
Huh? Are the Westie media not even pretending any more, that they are fighting
against the terrorists? Most of us know that was B.S. anyhow, but the broader
(ignoramuses) public, the kind of morons who watch CNN every day, were not ever supposed to
be let in on that little secret.
"... Our experiments suggest that the majority of Americans find a 1:100 risk ratio to be morally acceptable. They were willing to kill 2 million Iranian civilians to save 20,000 U.S. soldiers. One respondent who approved of the conventional air strike that killed 100,000 Iranian civilians candidly expressed even more extreme preferences regarding proportionality and risk ratios, while displacing U.S. responsibility for the attack onto the Iranian people: "I would sacrifice 1 million enemies versus 1 of our military. Their choice, their death." ..."
"... It is all about the radius of impact and the background MSM brainwashing. The average media consumer lemming does not think for itself and lets its opinion be essentially implanted by the MSM for anything that is not immediate. Those remote Russians and Serbs are definitely not in the immediate realm of the lemming. ..."
"... Interesting how the PC "west" engages in pure hate ideology towards the un-west. Tolerance is strictly for domestic consumption. The far domain is populated by barbarians who need to be controlled by force since they are a "threat". ..."
Public opinion polling suggests that many Americans would not think twice if there were a
great many casualties against evildoers. For example, a 2017 survey found that 60 percent of
Americans would support a nuclear attack on Iran that would kill 20 million civilians, to
prevent an invasion that might kill 20,000 American soldiers.
"We were not surprised by the finding that most Americans place a higher value on the life of an American soldier than the life of a foreign noncombatant. What was surprising, however, was the radical extent of that preference.
Our experiments suggest that the majority of Americans find a 1:100 risk ratio to be morally acceptable. They were willing to kill 2 million Iranian civilians to save 20,000 U.S. soldiers. One respondent who approved of the conventional air strike that killed 100,000 Iranian civilians candidly expressed even more extreme preferences regarding proportionality and risk ratios, while displacing U.S. responsibility for the attack onto the Iranian people: "I would sacrifice 1 million enemies versus 1 of our military. Their choice, their death."
There was a discussion the the value of human life. American military and Israeli everyone
were at the top. Loss of Arab life was a wash and death of Serbs and Russians were viewed as
positive.
The order is apparently malleable. Japanese have moved up the list while Iranians are
gaining Serb-like status.
In part I suspect it has to do with the fact that most of the uneducated idiots responding
can't relate to numbers as large as a few thousand, much less compute ratios, even in cases
where the numbers don't relate to those being bombed to bits. Or at least I'd rather lie to
myself that way.
It is all about the radius of impact and the background MSM brainwashing. The average media
consumer lemming does not think for itself and lets its opinion be essentially implanted by
the MSM for anything that is not immediate. Those remote Russians and Serbs are definitely
not in the immediate realm of the lemming.
Interesting how the PC "west" engages in pure hate ideology towards the un-west. Tolerance
is strictly for domestic consumption. The far domain is populated by barbarians who need to
be controlled by force since they are a "threat".
A concise summary of the nuclear attack on Japan (emphasis added):
According to Kamps, US estimates of American casualties during the first month of a US
invasion of mainland Japan -- before the bombs were dropped -- were approximately 50,000,
not 1 million.
"And the myth became that a million American lives were saved by dropping the bombs.
That was not true. The truth is, the bombs were dropped to send a message to the Soviet
Union where to get off. Billions of dollars in 1945 money had been spent on that [atomic]
project, and the bombs were dropped to fulfill an experiment as well , to show some
return on the so-called investment. If those billions of dollars had been spent on ships,
tanks and guns in the US military instead of atomic bombs, would the war have ended sooner
because of that?" Kemps asked.
Another common myth is that the bombs ended World War II, Kamps said.
"But no, it was the threat of a Soviet military invasion that ended World War II
. The Japanese had been firebombed by the Americans for months already, and that lends a lot
more to the theory that these atomic bombings were tests, because they [the Americans]
were saving some cities to use these bombs against, and they wanted to see full on what the
effects were. So Hiroshima was preserved for that purpose," Kemps told Radio
Sputnik.
"... More than three million Americans have served in uniform in these wars. Nearly 7,000 of them have died. Tens of thousands more have been wounded. More are killed or wounded each year, in smaller numbers but often in dreary circumstances, including the fatal attack in July on Cpl. Joseph Maciel by an Afghan soldier -- a member of the very forces that the United States has underwritten, trained and equipped, and yet as a matter of necessity and practice now guards itself against. ..."
More than three million Americans have served in uniform in these wars. Nearly 7,000 of them
have died. Tens of thousands more have been wounded. More are killed or wounded each year, in
smaller numbers but often in dreary circumstances, including the fatal attack in July on Cpl.
Joseph Maciel by an Afghan soldier -- a member of the very forces that the United States has
underwritten, trained and equipped, and yet as a matter of necessity and practice now guards
itself against.
On one matter there can be no argument: The policies that sent these men and women abroad,
with their emphasis on military action and their visions of reordering nations and cultures,
have not succeeded. It is beyond honest dispute that the wars did not achieve what their
organizers promised, no matter the party in power or the generals in command. Astonishingly
expensive, strategically incoherent, sold by a shifting slate of senior officers and
politicians and editorial-page hawks, the wars have continued in varied forms and under
different rationales each and every year since passenger jets struck the World Trade Center in
2001. They continue today without an end in sight, reauthorized in Pentagon budgets almost as
if distant war is a presumed government action.
As the costs have grown -- whether measured by dollars spent, stature lost or blood shed --
the wars' architects and the commentators supporting them have often been ready with optimistic
or airbrushed predictions, each pitched to the latest project or newly appointed general's
plan. According to the bullhorns and depending on the year, America's military campaigns abroad
would satisfy justice, displace tyrants, keep violence away from Western soil, spread
democracy, foster development, prevent sectarian war, protect populations, reduce corruption,
bolster women's rights, decrease the international heroin trade, check the influence of extreme
religious ideology, create Iraqi and Afghan security forces that would be law-abiding and
competent and finally build nations that might peacefully stand on their own in a global world,
all while discouraging other would-be despots and terrorists.
Aside from displacing tyrants and leading to the eventual killing of Osama bin Laden, none
of this turned out as pitched. Prominent successes were short-lived. New thugs rose where old
thugs fell. Corruption and lawlessness remain endemic. An uncountable tally of civilians --
many times the number of those who perished in the terrorist attacks in the United States in
2001 -- were killed. Others were wounded or driven from their homes, first by American action
and then by violent social forces American action helped unleash.
The governments of Afghanistan and Iraq, each of which the United States spent hundreds of
billions of dollars to build and support, are fragile, brutal and uncertain. The nations they
struggle to rule harbor large contingents of irregular fighters and terrorists who have been
hardened and made savvy, trained by the experience of fighting the American military machine.
Much of the infrastructure the United States built with its citizens' treasure and its troops'
labor lies abandoned. Briefly schools or outposts, many are husks, looted and desolate
monuments to forgotten plans. Hundreds of thousands of weapons provided to would-be allies have
vanished; an innumerable quantity are on markets or in the hands of Washington's enemies.
Billions of dollars spent creating security partners also deputized pedophiles, torturers and
thieves. National police or army units that the Pentagon proclaimed essential to their
countries' futures have disbanded. The Islamic State has sponsored or encouraged terrorist
attacks across much of the world -- exactly the species of crime the global "war on terror" was
supposed to prevent.
Almost two decades after the White House cast American troops as liberators to be welcomed,
large swaths of territory where the Pentagon deployed combat forces are under stubborn
insurgent influence. Areas once touted as markers of counterinsurgency progress have become
no-go zones, regions in which almost no Americans dare tread, save a few journalists and aid
workers, or private military contractors or American military and C.I.A. teams.
... ... ...
Time eases only so much doubt. Six years after leaving the Army, Soto still spent nights
awake, trying to come to terms with his Korengal tour. It was not regret or the trauma of
combat that drained him. It was the memories of lost soldiers, an indelible grief blended with
a fuller understanding that could feel like a curse. Often when Soto reflected upon his
service, he was caught between the conflicting urges of deference and candor. He tread as if a
balance might exist between respecting the sacrifice and pain of others and speaking
forthrightly about the fatal misjudgments of those who managed America's wars. "I try to be
respectful; I don't want to say that people died for nothing," he said. "I could never make the
families who lost someone think their loved one died in vain."
Still he wondered: Was there no accountability for the senior officer class? The war was
turning 17, and the services and the Pentagon seemed to have been given passes on all the
failures and the drift. Even if the Taliban were to sign a peace deal tomorrow, there would be
no rousing sense of victory, no parade. In Iraq, the Islamic State metastasized in the wreckage
of the war to spread terror around the world. The human costs were past counting, and the
whitewash was both institutional and personal, extended to one general after another, including
many of the same officers whose plans and orders had either fizzled or failed to create lasting
success, and yet who kept rising. Soto watched some of them as they were revered and celebrated
in Washington and by members of the press, even after past plans were discredited and enemies
retrenched.
... ... ...
C.J. Chivers is a writer at large for the magazine. His previous feature article,
which followed the combat service and incarceration of a Marine veteran suffering from
alcoholism and PTSD, led to the veteran's release from prison and won a Pulitzer Prize. This
article is adapted from ''The Fighters: Americans in Combat in Afghanistan and Iraq,''
published by Simon & Schuster.
I believe Mr. Giraldi should choose his language more carefully. Perhaps instead of referring
to "Jews," he should narrow this to "Jewish Likud supporters" or Jewish supremacists, or
something similar
Notable quotes:
"... Jewish power ..."
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I am often asked why I have this "thing" about Israel, with friends suggesting that I would
be much more respected as a pundit if I were to instead concentrate on national security and
political corruption. The problem with that formulation is that the so-called "special
relationship" with Israel is itself the result of terrible national security and foreign policy
choices that is sustained by pervasive political and media corruption, so any honest attempt to
examine the one inevitably leads to the other. Most talking heads in the media avoid that
dilemma by choosing to completely ignore the dark side of Israel.
Israel – not Russia – is the one foreign country that can interfere with
impunity with the political processes in the United States yet it is immune from criticism. It
is also the single most significant threat to genuine national security as it and its powerful
domestic lobby have been major advocates for the continuation of America's interventionist
warfare state. The decision to go to war on false pretenses against Iraq, largely promoted by a
cabal of prominent American Jews in the Pentagon and in the media, killed 4,424 Americans as
well as hundreds of thousands Iraqis and will wind up costing the American taxpayer $7 trillion
dollars when all the bills are paid. That same group of mostly Jewish neocons more-or-less is
now agitating to go to war with Iran using a game plan for escalation
prepared by Israel which will, if anything, prove even more catastrophic.
And I can go on from there. According to the FBI, Israel runs the most
aggressive spying operations against the U.S. among ostensibly "friendly" nations,
frequently stealing our military technology for resale by its own arms merchants. Its notable
successes in espionage have included the most devastating spy in U.S. history Jonathan Pollard,
while it has also penetrated American communications systems and illegally obtained both the
fuel and the triggers for its own secret nuclear weapons arsenal.
Israel cares little for American sovereignty. It's prime ministers Ariel Sharon and Benjamin Netanyahu have both
boasted how they control the United States. In 2001, Israel was running a massive secret spying
operation directed against Arabs in the U.S. Many in the intelligence and law enforcement
communities suspect that it had considerable prior intelligence regarding the 9/11 plot but did
not share it with Washington. There was the spectacle of the "dancing Shlomos," Israeli
"movers" from a company in New Jersey who apparently had advanced knowledge of the terrorist
attack and danced and celebrated as they watched the Twin Towers go down.
Jewish
power , both in terms of money and of access to people and mechanisms that really
matter, is what allows Israel to act with impunity, making the United States both poorer and
more insecure. A well-funded massive lobbying effort involving hundreds of groups and thousands
of individuals in the U.S. has worked to the detriment of actual American interests, in part by
creating a permanent annual gift of billions of dollars to Israel for no other reason but that
it is Israel and can get anything it wants from a servile Congress and White House without any
objection from a controlled media.
Israel has also obtained carte blanche political protection from the U.S. in fora
like the United Nations, which is damaging to America's reputation and its actual interests.
This protection now extends to the basing of U.S. troops in Israel to serve as a tripwire,
guaranteeing that Washington will become involved if Israel is ever attacked or even if Israel
itself starts a war. The current U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley is little more than a
shill for Israel while America's Ambassador in Israel David Friedman is an open supporter of
Israel's illegal settlements, which the U.S. opposes, who spends much of his time defending
Israeli war crimes .
And here on the home front Israel is doing damage that might be viewed as even more grave in
Senator Ben Cardin's
attempt to destroy First Amendment rights by making any criticism of Israel illegal. The
non-violent Israel Boycott movement (BDS) has already been sanctioned in many states, the
result of intensive and successful lobbying by the Israeli government and its powerful
friends.
So if there is a real enemy of the United States in terms of the actual damage being
inflicted by a foreign power, it is Israel. In the recent Russiagate investigations it was revealed
that it was Israel, not Russia, that sought favors from Michael Flynn and the incoming
Trump Administration yet Special Counsel Robert Mueller has evidently not chosen to go down
that road with his investigations, which should surprise no one.
Noam Chomsky, iconic progressive intellectual, has finally come around on the issue of
Israel and what it means. He has always argued somewhat incoherently that Israeli misbehavior
has been due to its role as a tool of American imperialism and capitalism. At age 89, he has
finally figured out that it is actually all about what a parasitic Israel wants without any
regard for its American host,
observing on "Democracy Now" that
..take, say, the huge issue of interference in our pristine elections. Did the Russians
interfere in our elections? An issue of overwhelming concern in the media. I mean, in most of
the world, that's almost a joke. First of all, if you're interested in foreign interference
in our elections, whatever the Russians may have done barely counts or weighs in the balance
as compared with what another state does, openly, brazenly and with enormous support. Israeli
intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done I mean,
even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress,
without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to
try to undermine the president's policies – what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in
2015 .
Politicians are terrified of crossing the Jewish lobby by saying anything negative about
Israel, which means that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu always gets a pass from the American
government, even when he starves civilians and bombs hospitals and schools. Netanyahu uses
snipers to shoot dead scores of unarmed demonstrators and the snipers themselves joke about
their kills without a peep from Washington, which styles itself the "leader of the free
world."
Just recently, Israel has declared itself a Jewish State with all that implies. To be sure,
Israeli Christians and Muslims were already subject to a battery of laws and regulations that
empowered Jews at their expense but now it is the guiding principle that Israel will be run for
the benefit of Jews and Jews alone. And it still likes to call itself a "democracy."
A recent television program illustrates just how far the subjugation of America's elected
leaders by Israel has gone. British comedian Sacha Baron Cohen is featured
on a new show called "Who is America?" in which he uses disguises and aliases to engage
politicians and other luminaries in unscripted interviews that reveal just how ignorant or
mendacious they actually are. Several recent episodes remind one of a February 2013 Saturday Night
Live skit on the impending confirmation of Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense. A Senator
asks Hagel. "It is vital to Israel's security for you to go on national television and perform
oral sex on a donkey Would you do THAT for Israel?" A "yes" answer was, of course, expected
from Hagel. The skit was never aired after objections from the usual suspects.
Baron Cohen, who confronted several GOP notables in the guise of Colonel Erran Morad, an
Israeli security specialist, provided a number of clues that his interview was a sham but none
of the victims were smart enough to pick up on them. Cohen, wearing an Israeli military uniform
and calling himself a colonel, clearly displayed sergeant's stripes. Hinting that he might
actually be a Mossad agent, Cohen also sported a T-shirt on which the Hebrew text was printed
backwards and he claimed that the Israeli spy agency's motto was "if you want to win, show some
skin."
Cohen set up Dick Cheney by complimenting him on being the "the king of terrorist killers"
before commenting that "my neighbor in Tel Aviv is in jail for murder, or, as we call it,
enhanced tickling." Morad went on to tell Cheney that he once waterboarded his wife to check
for infidelity and then convinced the former Vice President to sign a "waterboarding kit" that
"already had" the signatures of Benjamin Netanyahu, Ariel Sharon and Demi Lovato.
Another more
spectacular sketch included a Georgia state senator Jason Spencer who was convinced to
shout out the n-word as part of an alleged video being made to fight terrorism. After Cohen
told Spencer that it was necessary to incite fear in homophobic jihadists, Spencer dropped his
pants and underwear, before backing up with his exposed rear end while shouting "USA!" and
"America!" Spencer also spoke with a phony Asian accent while simulating using a selfie-stick
to secretly insert a camera phone inside a Muslim woman's burqa.
In another series of encounters, Cohen as Morad managed to convince current and
ex-Republican members of Congress -- to include former Senate majority leader Trent Lott -- to
endorse a
fictional Israeli program to arm grade school children for self-defense.
Cohen's footage
included a former Illinois congressman and talk radio host named Joe Walsh
saying : "The intensive three-week 'Kinderguardian' course introduces specially selected
children from 12 to 4 years old to pistols, rifles, semiautomatics and a rudimentary knowledge
of mortars. In less than a month -- less than a month -- a first-grader can become a first
grenade-er."
Both controversial Alabama judge Roy Moore and Walsh were fooled into meeting Cohen to
attend a non-existent pro-Israel conference
to accept an award for "significant contributions to the state of Israel." Representative
Dana Rohrabacher, meanwhile, also was interviewed and he commented that, "Maybe having young
people trained and understand how to defend themselves and their school might actually make us
safer here." And Congressman Joe Wilson observed that "A 3-year-old cannot defend itself from
an assault rifle by throwing a 'Hello Kitty' pencil case at it."
Cohen's performance is instructive. A man shows up in Israeli uniform, claims to be a
terrorism expert or even a Mossad agent, and he gains access to powerful Americans who are
willing to do anything he says. How Cohen did it says a lot about the reflexive and completely
uncritical support for Israel that many American politicians -- particularly Republicans -- now
embrace. This, in a nutshell, is the damage that Israel and its Lobby have done to the United
States. Israel is always right for many policymakers and even palpably phony Jews like Colonel
Morad are instantly perceived as smarter than the rest of us so we'd better do what they say.
That kind of thinking has brought us Iraq, Libya, Syria and the possibility of something far
worse with Iran.
Israel routinely interferes in American politics and corrupts our institutions without any
cost to itself and that is why I write and speak frequently regarding the danger to our
Republic that it poses. It is past time to change the essentially phony narrative. Israel is
nothing but trouble. It has the right to defend itself and protect its interests but that
should not involve the United States. One can only hope that eventually a majority of my fellow
American citizens will also figure things out. It might take a while, but the ruthless way
Israel openly operates with no concern for anyone but itself provides a measure of optimism
that that day is surely coming.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is[email protected].
. The decision to go to war on false pretenses against Iraq, largely promoted by a cabal
of prominent American Jews in the Pentagon and in the media, killed 4,424 Americans as well
as hundreds of thousands Iraqis and will wind up costing the American taxpayer $7 trillion
dollars when all the bills are paid. That same group of mostly Jewish neocons more-or-less
is now agitating to go to war with Iran using a game plan for escalation prepared by Israel
which will, if anything, prove even more catastrophic.
Oh right, who can forget the cabal of Jews controlling the US government and military at
the time of the Iraq invasion, such as President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney,
Secretary of State Colin Powell, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers, CIA director George Tenet, National Security Advisor
Condoleezza Rice Every.Single.Time, am I right, folks?
Oh wait, they aren't Jewish? Well, I blame the Jews away. Just look at uh Under
Secretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Woflowitz and
journalist Bill Kristol. That sounds like an extremely powerful cabal easily capable of
commanding such trivial figures as the President, CIA director, Secretary of State, et
cetera, to do their bidding.
Besides, just look at how much the Iraq War benefited Israel. You see, Israel wants to
pursue a strategy of destabilizing the region, so it cleverly pulled off a false flag attack
on 9/11; I'm not quite sure why Mossad didn't frame one of Israel's actual enemies, like the
Palestinians or Iranians, or even Saddam for that matter, as the perpetrators of the attacks,
but I'm sure it's all part of the plan.
Anyway, Israel got the United States to invade Iraq, which destabilized the region and
created chaos, predictably leading to a massive increase in Iranian influence in Iraq and
likely enabling more Iranian intervention in the Syrian Civil War, which benefited Israel
because uh chaos and destabilization.
And if you doubt that neocons totally control the US government, just look at how we're at
war with Iran! Well we're not technically at war yet, a decade after neoconservatives
began promoting the war .and President Obama did somehow manage to sign a nuclear deal with
Iran that infuriated his neocon and Israeli puppetmasters but I'm sure that President Trump,
famously beloved by Jews and neocons everywhere, will soon go to war with Iran.
' I'm not entirely sure why you keep hanging on to this tired and false narrative that
US politicians are some sort of stooges and puppets of Israel '
Maybe because they are stooges and puppets? In extreme cases, they even boast of it. When
Romney was running for president, he promised he would check with Israel on any action we
took in the Middle East. When Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State was promoting civil war
in Syria, she explained that this was necessary because Israel wished it.
It goes on, and on. If someone is considering a run for Congress, he gets a nice little
packet from AIPAC. Among other things, he's asked to write an essay expressing his feelings
about Israel.
If the essay isn't satisfactory, AIPAC backs his opponent.
Not surprisingly, when Netanyahu -- the premier of a tiny state on the other side of the
planet -- spoke to Congress he was interrupted with standing ovations seventeen times. The
display put me in mind of the sort of frenzied adulation Communist delegates used to display
towards Stalin.
and the motives, of course, would be similar, even if actual death isn't in prospect. For
most in Congress, displease Israel, and your political career just ended.
"Many in the intelligence and law enforcement communities suspect that it (Israel) had
considerable prior intelligence regarding the 9/11 plot but did not share it with
Washington."
It's certainly difficult to explain how else Mossad came to be filming the attack.
I think it needs to be emphasized that it's not merely a matter of practical politics.
Israel is evil -- she brings misery to millions, actual happiness to almost no one, and
engages in behavior with no defensible moral foundation at all. She has attacked every
single one of her neighbors, compulsively seeks out further conflict to paper over the
shortcomings in her own national identity, and treats her Palestinian subjects with a
morality about like that of a nasty little boy pulling the wings off a fly.
Arguably, others are as bad. However, unlike the others, Israel could not have come into
being without our support, and could not continue to exist today without our continued moral,
economic, diplomatic, and military support. If we pulled the plug, Israel would cease to
exist as a Jewish supremacist state within -- at most -- a decade.
We are, in fact, responsible for Israel, and hence responsible for Israel's crimes. Other
people's teenaged sons may well be out there stealing cars and raping girls. This happens to
be our son doing it. We're responsible.
We pursue many policies I regard as futile, short-sighted, deluded, or self-destructive.
My personal list would include 'come one come all' immigration, global warming denial,
maintaining a massive military establishment, condoning 'Black Lives Matter,' and probably
some other things.
No doubt the reader has his own list. However, that's not the point. The point is that
essentially, these policies are merely stupid rather than actually evil. It's not evil
to think we should just let whoever wants come into the US. It's dumb -- but it isn't
evil. In fact, I'll willingly credit people who vote for 'sanctuary cities' et al with the
most laudable sentiments. I merely question their intelligence.
Israel is different. Israel is evil, and hence our support for it is as well. It is the
most fundamentally wrong act we are engaged in.
There is a moral dimension to life. There is a distinction between striving to do good --
however unsuccessfully -- and willingly participating in evil.
"A well-funded massive lobbying effort involving hundreds of groups and thousands of
individuals in the U.S. has worked to the detriment of actual American interests, in part
by creating a permanent annual gift of billions of dollars to Israel for no other reason
but that it is Israel and can get anything it wants from a servile Congress and White House
without any objection from a controlled media."
Kind of begs the question, why are we giving any aid to a first-world country with a GDP
growth rate in the 3% to 4% rate for years (even while we were stuck below 2%) and an
unemployment rate below 4%?
The Israeli economy is in better shape than the US economy; they should be giving us
aid.
"Baron Cohen, who confronted several GOP notables in the guise of Colonel Erran Morad,
an Israeli security specialist, provided a number of clues that his interview was a sham
but none of the victims were smart enough to pick up on them."
Yes, it is truly amazing what our "Best & Brightest" will do to stay on-side.
Following Mr. Giraldi's earlier post regarding the gubernatorial run of Israeli puppet Ron
DeSantis and the Big Sugar connections of Adam Putnam, it would seem a Floridian's least
worst choice is Bob White.
Israel is nothing but trouble. It has the right to defend itself
1st part: Absolutely, indubitably correct.
2nd part: ¿Qué? Why do people say/write this? Under what corrupt
arrangement does an oh, so obvious outlaw have any such right?
Consider: A gang of out-of-towners turns up at a block of flats, breaks the doors down and
occupies the building, killing some erstwhile owner/occupiers and ejecting most of the rest
on the way in, thereafter whooping it up big, and ignoring [obviously too feeble] orders to
RoR+R*3 [= Right of Return + Revest, Reparations and Reconciliation.] Since when can such
outlaws dictate anything, thumb their noses at the Law?
Property, especially here land, is alienable – but this does not mean
' subject to seizure by aliens .'
Kindly consider: "A fair exchange is no robbery." A fair exchange means willing
seller, interested buyer, and a freely and fairly agreed price. No such thing exists
vis-à-vis the forcible colonisation of Palestine. Some proof may be seen
here [my
bolding]:
By 1949, some 700,000 Palestinians had fled or been expelled from their lands and
villages. Israel was now in control of some 20.5 million dunams (approx. 20,500
km²) or 78% of lands in what had been Mandatory Palestine
Land laws were passed to legalize changes to land ownership.[5]
5. Ruling Palestine, A History of the Legally Sanctioned Jewish-Israeli Seizure of Land
and Housing in Palestine. Publishers: COHRE & BADIL, May 2005, p. 37.
Especially in reference to the illegitimate entity which terms itself Israel, wiki is not
reliable, being, like the US Congress, Israeli-occupied territory. So it is noteworthy that
they write "in control of" as opposed to 'own.' They can't ever own it due to not having
purchased it, and Palestinians may not surrender it, due to the UDHR which specifies
*inalienable* rights:
Article 3.
• Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 17.
• (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with
others.
• (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Also, see the Washington Consensus:
10.Legal security for property rights.
Further, there is UNSC242: inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war, plus
only just law may earn respect, and/or be respected. A law dispossessing erstwhile legal
owner/occupiers is an utter travesty.
Me; comment: Its illegitimacy is all so howlingly obvious!
Fazit: Apart from the ~6% of 'pre-Herzl Palestine' which 'invading by stealth' alien,
mostly European Jews managed to purchase, the illegitimate entity does not own nor can they
ever own the land/property they squat upon, which still belongs to the erstwhile
owner/occupiers, specifically the 'native' pre-Nakba Palestinians [now including heirs &
successors]. Then, the illegitimate entity does not declare borders for two reasons 1) any
such declaration would be [probably successfully] challenged and 2) the illegitimate entity
expresses the desire to expand to 'from the Nile to the Euphrates.' Q: Just how ghastly is
that? A: Could hardly be worse.
Closing the loop: How can land-thieves have any 'right to defend' such improperly
alienated land/property? It doesn't compute! rgds
Thank you, Mr. Giraldi, for another forceful rebuke of Zionist criminality and US
culpability.
The supremacist kosher state is a cancer on America. Just survey the wreckage. Count the
bodies. Who benefits from this?
The Zionist project is a plague on humanity. It entertains no compromise. It will stop at
virtually nothing. Examine the blood-soaked damage from Soviet Russia to Germany to Palestine
and beyond. It moves Washington around via remote control.
The situation has become very grave. Speech deemed 'anti-Semitic' is rapidly being
criminalized worldwide.
Right wing political expression (that Jews don't like) on Twitter, Facebook and the web is
being de-platformed for speech infractions that involve 'hate'. But it's only 'hate' of a
certain stripe.
After all, hatred is ubiquitous in America. It cuts in every direction. So why is the
focus so intense on just one spectrum of hatred?
Might it have something to do with the political preferences of those in power?
Oh maybe.
Principles be damned. Whose ox is being gored?
With that in mind, consider this: who might actually be the biggest hater of
all?–and killer? (Hint: it's certainly not the powerless Alt-right 'deplorables'.)
Might it instead be the world's foremost victims?
After all, incendiary speech–even 'hate speech'–does not kill. It takes bombs,
drones, tanks and missiles to accomplish that.
So where's the uproar over routine sorties which needlessly dispense death and
destruction?
It's gone missing.
Incredibly, it is rough speech and acute political criticism–not failed, horrific
wars–that are being criminalized. Pro-Zionist 'wars of choice' still get a pass in our
corporate board rooms, TV studios, news rooms, and in most of Official Washington.
This entrenched distortion allows neocons and their underlings to jawbone and plot their
next preemptive war. The Big Squeeze is on. Beware Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and
Iran. Zionism is an 'unshakable' Washington value. So get ready.
How distant wars advance the interests of average Americans remains a mystery.
Despite this puzzle, America's MSM offers little resistance and no straightforward
criticism of Zio-Washington's ceaseless war efforts on behalf of a certain 'democratic ally'.
In similar fashion, the Fourth Estate has also been compromised.
It's worth remembering that, according to the UN Charter, a state-sponsored 'First Strike'
against another sovereign state is the most serious war crime. This elementary moral precept
however matters not–at least not when Israel is pulling the strings. Quiet, children.
Listen. Obey.
What we have here is a pattern of vast serial criminality.
Zio-Washington has become Israel's war vessel. We regular folk are just along for the
ride.
So don't forget to cheer for the good guys!
Incredibly, US-enabled, Israeli ruthlessness has gotten even worse under 'America First'
Trump. After all, Trump needlessly tore up Obama's hard-fought peace deal with Iran.
Why would Trump make such a move? (As a candidate, he was far less hawkish).
Our weakened and despised President needs desperately to please America's foremost lobby.
Trump cannot govern without their support. This peculiar situation however requires
additional blood-letting on behalf of the Zionist state. Foreign wars that benefit Israel are
the unwritten price that the goyim leadership in America must pay. Sorry folks!
(Are you listening, Tehran?)
Jewish power corrupts. Overwhelming Jewish power corrupts in overwhelming fashion.
It's certainly difficult to explain how else Mossad came to be filming the attack
Err 'do + document?' It's certainly difficult to explain how 19 reputed Muslim/Arab
hijackers could have 'control demolished' WTC7; ~2.5secs at *exactly* free-fall speed, WTCs
1&2 at almost free-fall speed [plus the outwards-ejected massive steel sections], and all
mainly 'all the way down' into their own 'footprints' = all three control demolished [all for
one; one for all]. Camel-f ** ckers just ain't that clever, eh? The observed fact that the US
rogue-regime made no 'counteractions' vis-à-vis the so-called 'attack on
America' made all 'responsibles' accessories; before [covert agencies], during [order-givers]
and after ['led' by the corrupt&venal MSM+PFBCs [latter = publicly financed
broadcasters]; all vile traitors.] Ho, hum; just another US/Z travesty. rgds
I read these kinds of articles with mixed reactions.
On the one hand, I believe Mr. Giraldi should choose his language more carefully. Perhaps
instead of referring to "Jews," he should narrow this to "Jewish Likud supporters" or
something similar.
The Jewish community as a whole is moderate, reasonable, and not especially devoted to
war. It is a subset of the community–which, alas, happens to be well-funded and
dedicated–that promotes war 24/7.
I believe Mr. Giraldi would appear more credible if he made this crucial distinction.
On the other hand, someone will always comment that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. are
more powerful than Wolfowitz and Feith. I believe this line of attack ignores crucial
facts.
1. It is these less powerful underlings that package the information that their superiors
use when determining policy. One need only recall the Office of Special Plans, headed by
Feith, that cherry-picked intelligence to make the case for war. Also, Wolfowitz served as
Bush II's foreign policy tutor when he was a candidate.
2. It has been credibly reported, I believe by Dana Milbanks in the Washington Post, that
Jewish donors provide 50% of individual donations to the Democratic party and 35% of
donations made to the Republicans. This kind of money gives those hawkish elements of the
Jewish community considerable power. In a system in which the vote is split almost equally
between both parties, these funds are crucial to electoral success.
So, yes, the Israel lobby is extraordinarily powerful. But no, it does not represent all
American Jews.
Jessica – I never say "all Jews" or even "most Jews" but to ignore that the
dominance of Israel is a Jewish problem is to turn one's back on reality. It is Jewish
oligarchs and organizations that push the Israeli agenda, that fund it, and that sustain it
in the media and on capitol hill. I know there are a lot of liberal Jews and even some not so
liberal ones that abhor what Israel is doing but are afraid to say anything lest they be
called "self hating." They have to get off the fence and declare that the USA is their home
and that Netanyahu's insistence that Israel is the Jewish homeland is a self-serving fraud.
Until that happens, Israel will dominate America's foreign policy discussion, to our damage.
Israel is a foreign country and should be treated by Washington like any other foreign
country, i.e. based on US national interests.
"special relationship" with Israel is itself the result of terrible national security and
foreign policy" while I agree that the statement is true, if does not begin to explain the
depth of Zionist control of the American Empire, nor does it look to the origin of that
control.
1. Israel is the network @ Colin wright, @ anonymous in reply to Ben_C as well as
2. The well researched book entitled "The Israel Lobby and U. S. Foreign Policy by John J.
Mearsheimer (the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguised Service professor of Political Science and
the co director of the progarm on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago)
and Stephen M. Walt (the Robert and Renee Belfer Professor international Affairs at the John
f. Kennedy School of government at Harvard University and past academic dean of the Kennedy
School which discusses the Impact of US Foreign Policy as it relates to America's nation
interest.
4. Article VI of the US Constitution readmitted back into Independent America the entire
banking and corporate leaches which caused the American revolution, explained in some detail
on this website just a few days ago. @ Anon[317] • Disclaimer says: August 12, 2018 at
12:31 pm GMT • 1,100 Words wherein the so called landed estates and landed Gentry were
mostly British Banking and Trading and Slaving Corporations (many Jewish owners) doing
business in America. Their wealth was derived from their land ownership and corporations
licensed to do business in America by foreign governments. The British Aristocratic land
grants mostly made to privately owned British banking, trading and slaving corporations or
wealthy British and French Aristocrats allowed foreign nations to deed title to American
land. These baron-landed owners, the so-called Gentry, were the very centers of the British
a-human rights authority and vicious corporate and political powerhouses that controlled the
American Colonies of Britain. It was the landed gentry that brought the American colonist to
revolt against British rule. BUT just 12 years after the 1776 Declaration of Independence,
the banker and Aristocrat favorable US constitution was imposed by a process called
ratification? ( a third party regime change process that appears in the US Constitution as
Article VII?). This ratification process was used to impose the very same British mostly
Wealthy Crowd to not only keep their land granted lands, their personal wealth earned by
inhumanity to mankind, and their educated Aristocratic global life styles in America. So the
US constitution itself allowed to be installed: a government that only gave the British Baron
Aristocrats voting control of America's destiny but it also terminated the Democracy
(Articles of Confederation) that so much American blood had been spilt to bring about. These
were the some of the forefathers forefathers to global Zionism, a part of the powerhouse
support team of the Jewish banking and corporate global network, many of whom became team
members in the formalized conspiracy to take control of the oil in the world and to weaponize
immigration in order to take the oil from the Arabs. In 1896 (Switzerland , first Zionist
Congress) the Jewish controlled organizations weaponized immigration and aimed it at the
Ottoman Arab oil. Trace a failed coup attempt against the Ottoman, the Balfour Agreement,
WWI, British and French control over once Ottoman Palestine, the Palin Commission, a network
established military base that became Israel, immediate International recognition by the
Jewish controlled nations of the world) and so on. .
I trust you might now be " entirely sure why .. the narrative that US Politicians {must be
] .. [elected, salaried] stooges and puppets of Israel " few outsiders are allowed to take a
position among the 527 who control the law making powers and war making powers that the USA
uses to force Americans into their wars.
It seems that a large proportion of the members of the US Congress are Israeli citizens.
It is unconstitutional for a member of the Australian Parliament to be a dual citizen.
This is taken to such an extent that if it's found that an MP born in New Zealand moved to
Australia as a baby, that person's election becomes null and void, unless he or she was
conscious of the situation and verifiably renounced NZ citizenship prior to the election.
That is so even in this mad case of Australians and New Zealanders having the same head of
state, the English monarch.
Why on earth can't America bring in a similar law, making it impossible for Israeli
citizens to vote in its Congress, to even be there?
In 2015, Bill Browder published Red Notice – purportedly a true story about his
experience in Russia between 1996 and 2005. Upon closer scrutiny however, his story doesn't
add up and demonstrably fails to stand up in a court of law. Nonetheless, on the dubious
strength of that story, Browder has been able to lobby the U.S. Congress to pass the
Magnitsky Act in 2012 which needlessly damaged the relations between the U.S. and Russia.
Where he failed in courts of law, however, his campaign of relentless demonization of Russia
and of Vladimir Putin has been successful in the court of public opinion in the West. As
humanity finds itself on the precipice of yet another great war, what we need are bridges of
mutual understanding and constructive engagement, not demonization.
" and so Putin immediately issued orders for him to be sadistically murdered "
What an amazing consistency in supporting the Browder/Steele line "Putin did it." Which is
understandable, considering the efforts and investment made into the MSM memes. You made a
very strong impression that the presstituting MSM is your main source of information.
Here are some excerpts from the honest sources.
"Poisoned Russian spy was close to Christopher Steele consultant:"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/poisoned-russian-spy-close-steele-consultant-report-article-1.3862516
"Jonathan Winer was not only a point man for the Steele "dossier" at the State Department in
2016 (and Steele dossiers of yore), he was also a father of the Magnitsky Act in 2012. Yes,
longtime Senate staffer Winer is the "old friend" Browder credits with envisioning the
legislative strategy that culminated in passage of the law. (More recently, Winer is serving
as Browder's bulldog-lawyer -- story here.)
"Cardin knew there were problems with Browder's story about Magnitsky's death and yet brought
him into Congress to testify to secure the vote. That's suborning perjury:" https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-04/magnitsky-trio-pushes-war-russia-new-sanctions
"Litvinenko's circle also included Boris Berezovsky, Alexander Goldfarb, Vyacheslav
Zharko, and Akhmed Zakayev, most of whom have received asylum in the U.K. In the 1990s, Boris
Berezovsky worked with Mikhail Khodorkovsky and George Soros' International Science
Foundation which was headed by Alexander Goldfarb for almost ten years. He was also involved
in money laundering millions of dollars through the Bank of New York and the Republic
Bank of New York which was owned by Bill Browder's now deceased partner, Edmond
Safra:" https://jimmysllama.com/2018/05/07/11191/
– Is not interesting, how so many Browder's connections met an untimely death yet
Browder the Scoundrel is well supported and protected by the "deciders." -- See the fate of a
DOCUMENTARY about Browder, Magnitsky, and a bloody trail of the dead former employees of
Browder whom he used for his very profitable if criminal enterprise.
Alexander Perepelichny" was the key witness who could potentially destroy the scam with
highest political stakes on Magnitsky dossier. As Browder responds with "I do not recall" and
"I do not know" on any substantial inquiry in the court, the US judiciary could be very
interested in hearing Perepelichny. This menace to Magnitsky Act was eliminated one week
before the bill passed the US House: on Nov 10, 2012 Alexander Perepelichny was found dead
outside his mansion in London."
"... Why are they pushing a propaganda war which awfully looks like psychological preparation for a real hot war, when they must know that there cannot ever be a real hot war? ..."
"... How will they prevent escalation if they themselves seem to slowly drink their own Kool-Aid and believe that Russia is "waging hybrid warfare" with them, and therefore that any military action against Russia counts as self-defense, moreover, that it'd be insane not to wage an actual war against Russia? ..."
Exactly. It's a bit frightening because I don't quite get what their endgame is here.
Maybe they truly believe they can decapitate Russia with very little risk or damage to
NATO countries, but from publicly available data it doesn't look like that.
Why are they pushing a propaganda war which awfully looks like psychological
preparation for a real hot war, when they must know that there cannot ever be a real hot
war?
How will they prevent escalation if they themselves seem to slowly drink their own
Kool-Aid and believe that Russia is "waging hybrid warfare" with them, and therefore that any
military action against Russia counts as self-defense, moreover, that it'd be insane not to
wage an actual war against Russia?
"... Russia's economy is weak. Its GDP did not make the world's top 10, yet its military, especially its nuclear power, has sustained its status as one of the most influential nations in the world. Russia and the US have serious geopolitical conflicts in the Middle East and Europe, but Trump suddenly reversed the hardline US stance and showed a low-key response to Putin. That's probably because, as Trump said, Russia is a nuclear power. ..."
"... Yet Trump's respect toward Russia is worth mentioning. Trump is a man who values strength, and he attaches great importance to military strength, especially nuclear strength. ..."
"... China is different from Russia. China has a robust economy and has many tools at its disposal, which is an advantage. Yet China's relatively weak military, especially its nuclear power, which lags behind the US, is a major strategic sore point. ..."
"... Just by looking at the US' aggressive attitude in the South China Sea and the Taiwan question, we know that China's nuclear strength is "far from sufficient." Part of the US' strategic arrogance may come from its absolute nuclear advantage. We are concerned that maybe one day, Washington will turn this arrogance into military provocation, whereby China will face very grave challenges. ..."
Amid the lingering fury from the US media over US President Donald Trump's summit with
Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, the White House announced Thursday that Trump
invited Putin to visit Washington this fall. Trump's attitude has been firm on improving
US-Russia relations. Despite staunch opposition, it is quite likely that US-Russia
relations will halt its slide during Trump's presidency.
Trump has repeatedly stressed that Russia and the US are the two biggest nuclear powers
in the world, with their combined nuclear arsenal accounting for 90 percent of world's
total, and thus the US must live in peace with Russia. On US-Russia relations, Trump is
clearheaded.
Russia's economy is weak. Its GDP did not make the world's top 10, yet its military,
especially its nuclear power, has sustained its status as one of the most influential
nations in the world. Russia and the US have serious geopolitical conflicts in the Middle
East and Europe, but Trump suddenly reversed the hardline US stance and showed a low-key
response to Putin. That's probably because, as Trump said, Russia is a nuclear
power.
We know US-Russia relations cannot be improved overnight because it is difficult for the
two countries to make strategic compromises in Europe and the Middle East. Even if their
relations improve, other frictions may emerge, causing new rifts in bilateral ties.
Yet Trump's respect toward Russia is worth mentioning. Trump is a man who values
strength, and he attaches great importance to military strength, especially nuclear
strength.
The US has defined China as its strategic competitor and is exerting more pressure. The
trade war may be just the beginning. Tensions between the two nations may spread to other
areas. We believe that during this process, the White House will continue to evaluate,
including a look at China's nuclear arsenal.
China is different from Russia. China has a robust economy and has many tools at its
disposal, which is an advantage. Yet China's relatively weak military, especially its
nuclear power, which lags behind the US, is a major strategic sore point.
A popular view among Chinese strategists is that we need only a sufficient number of
nuclear weapons. Too many nuclear weapons cost more and may trigger outside alarm, leading
to strategic uncertainty. Those who hold this view believe China does not need to increase
its strategic nuclear weapons and should instead focus on modernizing its nuclear weapons
to secure the country's capability for a second nuclear strike. We believe this view is a
serious misinterpretation of the major countries' nuclear situation.
China is no small country that needs only a few nuclear weapons to scare off an
intimidator at a critical moment. China has grown into a global influence, facing greater
risks and pressure than smaller countries do. We must reconsider what constitutes
"sufficient" in terms of nuclear weapons.
China's nuclear weapons have to not only secure a second strike but also play the role
of cornerstone in forming a strong deterrence so that outside powers dare not intimidate
China militarily. Once major countries are engaged in military conflicts, each side must
evaluate the determination of the other side to see the conflict through. Nuclear power is
the pillar of that determination. One of the major reasons that the US used a
"salami-slicing" method to push for NATO's eastward expansion but refused to engage in open
conflict in Ukraine and Syria with Russia is probably because it was concerned about what
Moscow might do with its huge nuclear arsenal.
Just by looking at the US' aggressive attitude in the South China Sea and the Taiwan
question, we know that China's nuclear strength is "far from sufficient." Part of the US'
strategic arrogance may come from its absolute nuclear advantage. We are concerned that
maybe one day, Washington will turn this arrogance into military provocation, whereby China
will face very grave challenges.
China must speed up its process of developing strategic nuclear power. Advanced missiles
such as the Dongfeng-41 should materialize as soon as possible. Not only should we possess
a strong nuclear arsenal, but we must also let the outside world know that China is
determined to defend its core national interests with nuclear power.
Of course, we do not believe nuclear power development should override all the other
work or its development should come at the expense of other major developmental interests.
But this work must be made a top priority. We must recognize the urgent need for China to
strengthen its nuclear prowess.
If a nuclear war starts, it is only logical for the initial combatants to target ALL
powers at once, as this may be their last chance to reduce their neighbors' ability to loot
and conquer after the war. So expect Europe & China to be hit. China will in turn target
Japan, India, Korea, etc. The US do not trust Canada or Mexico, so these may well become
targets too. Pakistan and Israel may want to make their move at this point. Pretty soon it
would become clear that no major industrial or population center should be spared. So within
a couple of hours, the world's entire nuclear stockpile would be launched.
After these events, the country with the most extensive tunnel system will emerge as the
new world leader.
" I don't quite get what their endgame is here .Why are they pushing a propaganda war
which awfully looks like psychological preparation for a real hot war, when they must know
that there cannot ever be a real hot war?"
Most probably, because they are calculating that under various forms of psychological and
economic pressure Russia will crumble from within and surrender, just like in the times of
Gorbachev-Yeltsin, without having to fight a real, risk-filled war. Surrender and subjugation
without firing a shot – THAT'S their imagined endgame. "Why wouldn't what worked within
living memory, a mere 30 years ago, work again now in updated form?", they think –
especially since the Russia of today is in a comparatively much weaker position overall than
the USSR of back then and the Russian rulers and society are not really too much different
psychologically from what they were back then, and are even mostly COMPOSED OF THE SAME
INDIVIDUALS? Is it really surprising that they think that way, given the continued existence
and thriving inside Russia of a powerful, openly seditious Fifth Column which is not
seriously combatted by either the Putin government or the stupid mass of the Russian populace
(who stand to lose the most, suffer terribly, and be reduced to colonized virtual serfs or
exterminated if the Fifth Columnists and their foreign masters succeed in crashing
Russia)?
Of course, IF this is a miscalculation (and I'm not sure that it is, given the current
weak, appeasing mentality of the Russian government and population), and the psychopathic
Western ruling elites don't manage to get a hold of their oversized lunatic egos and rein in
their arrogant hubristic belligerence – well, then the whole situation could devolve
pretty quick into a massive, WW I/WW II/Iraq/Serbia combination-type hot war scenario.
Except, this time, with the real probability of stepwise escalation from conventional
hostilities to Thermonuclear Holocaust.
Realistically, what action Russia could take that would potentially match the disruptive
power of American sanctions on Russia?
Russia may have struck a heavy blow already, when she dumped her holdings of U.S.
treasuries. The relatively small amount ($100 to $200 billion) may not have been significant,
but as a signal to the rest of the world it may have been loud. The new sanctions may be an
attempt to punish Russia for that. They won't work, of course, but the noise they generate
may help to obscure the import of Russia's recent action.
What I don't understand is why the US thinks Russia and China will continue to sanction North
Korea. It seems like the US is handing out straight razors to everybody and asking them to
slit each others throats. Except for Erdogan, they all seem to be saying, "Sure why not?"
Maybe they are simply accustomed to taking orders.
51 U.S. diplomats who still haven't grasped the negative outcomes of the disastrous wars
launched since 2002, the solution is to bomb the world into America's image. In an internal
dissent cable addressed to Barack Obama, seasoned diplomats have urged airstrikes on the
government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
Chas Freeman, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War, told me he
found the cable "unusual" in two respects. First, it garnered a large number of signatures.
Most of those who signed the cable, a State Department official told me, were "rank and file"
diplomats, such as a deputy to U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford and a secretary in the
Near East Bureau. They had a good understanding of the current situation in the region. The
second reason this cable is unusual, said Ambassador Freeman, is that the signatories "are
arguing for rather than against the use of force." Over the past 40 years, diplomats have
used the "dissent channel" to caution against a rush to war. Now these diplomats are asking
for an intensification of war.
A former ambassador told me that many of the diplomats have great fealty to Hillary
Clinton. Could they have leaked this cable to boost Clinton's narrative that she wanted a
more robust attack on Damascus as early as 2012? Is this a campaign advertisement for
Clinton, and a preparation for her likely Middle East policy when she takes power in 2017?
Clinton certainly advocated tougher military action in Syria. She joined CIA chief David
Petraeus to push for a U.S.-backed rebel army in 2012, and she argued for air strikes when
there was no appetite for this in the White House.
Looks like the aim of US sanctions is to ratchet the hostility up with Russia to the level of
a full blown cold war. Ukraine can be a victim.
Notable quotes:
"... Meanwhile, you'll get bogged down in Ukraine. You'll face tough choices (sanctions will get North Korea-style quickly, and even Chinese sympathy will get questionable), like should you spend your scarce resources on modern weaponry or a large security force to keep Ukraine pacified? ..."
"... Very few people in Russia would want Ukraine now. The consensus is: "good riddance". In Ukraine, on the other hand, there are people who want Russia to invade. Some are waiting for someone else to liberate them from Nazis (they apparently are not familiar with Protestant wisdom that God helps those who help themselves), some pray for a pretext to invite NATO/US (as if anyone is willing to die for them). ..."
We'll need an anti-sanctions law regardless of whether or not we are going to invade.
Well, I'd say it's a precondition to invading Ukraine. If you're incapable of
making such a simple law, you're sure as hell incapable of invading Ukraine. And you do need
the law if you want to avoid the sanctions creating the perverse incentives inside Russia, like
the biggest banks not having branches in the Crimea. Decoupling from the US dollar is no help,
since US sanctions are extraterritorial, if you didn't notice, so they affect euro or even
Chinese yuan denominated transactions, too.
Eastern Europeans will never mobilise. What would mass mobilisation even look like in a
country like Hungary? Instead, they'll petition USA to station more of its troops in Eastern
Europe. A lot more, like hundreds of thousands more.
Within living memory, Hungary had armed forces of 150,000 troops and 1,500 main
battle tanks (admittedly, the majority were somewhat obsolete), with hundreds of fighter and
light bomber jets (MiG-21s and Su-22s etc.), and we were the slackers in the Eastern Bloc, not
spending on defense as much as other neighbors of us. Increasing defense spending to 2% of GDP
is what's the plan. If you invaded and occupied the whole of Ukraine, it could easily go up to
4-5%.
Of course, the Americans might come in numbers, too. But you're delusional here:
Doing so will impose costs on the USA. Actually, this is one of the few ways Russia could
impose tangible costs on USA: by stoking tensions in Eastern Europe.
We have no military industry to speak of. Most of our neighbors do have some, but
even they are nowhere near self-sufficiency. You can guess who we'll buy our weapons from.
Poland recently offered to pay for an American base on its soil. So it won't be much of a cost
for the US, it might actually be quite beneficial.
Meanwhile, you'll get bogged down in Ukraine. You'll face tough choices (sanctions will
get North Korea-style quickly, and even Chinese sympathy will get questionable), like should
you spend your scarce resources on modern weaponry or a large security force to keep Ukraine
pacified?
Mass deportations is the best part about occupying the Ukraine!
Stalin's USSR at the height of its power only deported much smaller populations.
You'd need a lot of people to achieve that. But let's assume you'll manage to do that. It will,
of course, create a huge backlash against Russia: popular opinion will get united against
Russians. (Defense spending quickly up to 5% of GDP or higher.) The Ukrainians in our countries
will of course enter the workforce and join anti-Russian ragtag militias to control the border.
Instead they would have to contend with an insurgency in Eastern Poland
So the people ethnically cleansed from their homes will rise up against NATO in
support of Russia. This is a seriously dumb idea.
Very few people in Russia would want Ukraine now. The consensus is: "good riddance". In
Ukraine, on the other hand, there are people who want Russia to invade. Some are waiting for
someone else to liberate them from Nazis (they apparently are not familiar with Protestant
wisdom that God helps those who help themselves), some pray for a pretext to invite NATO/US
(as if anyone is willing to die for them).
This reminds me of an old Russian joke.
An old hag sits on the bench and screams: "Help! They are raping me!"
Another one passes by and asks: "Have you gone completely mad?"
The first one answers: "Everyone is entitled to a pleasant dream!"
Don't worry about my IQ woes – they are non-existent. I am a stable genius –
just like Donald Trump. Your IQ issues are – on the other hand – very easy to
fix. All you have to do is admit that you are Russian and you immediately gain 20-30 IQ
points. Of course, this will come at the expense of Russia, but then again. everything you've
ever done in your history came at the expense of Russia. All the Russians ever wanted was to
have a brotherly nation in Ukraine. They have a brother all right, unfortunately that brother
has a Down syndrome.
Any Russian ruler who tries to return Crimea will be overthrown in no time. As Russia
gradually disengages from the US-dominated financial system, the costs will go down. Russia
has already created its own payment system similar to that of Visa and Mastercard, as well as
its own money transfer system similar to SWIFT. On the other hand, if Russia fails to
disengage from dollar-dominated system, the losses would be much greater than Crimea. It
might even turn into a shithole, like Ukraine.
Insurance is more often a scam than not: Lehman Brothers enjoyed pretty high ratings until
their crash. What's more, banks were insured against the risks of sub-prime mortgages they
held. Remember what happened in 2008?
As to the future, nobody has the crystal ball. Can you tell how much a Big Mac will cost
in the US five or ten years from now? $4? $40? $400? $4,000? Your guess is as good as mine.
Ponzi schemes have a habit of crashing and nobody worked out a way of predicting when exactly
the crash will occur.
This might be in the cards. The US sanctions actually squeezed Russian comprador (5th
column) oligarchs, who were always subservient to the West, sent their families there, and
are siphoning off their money offshore, more than anything. If Putin uses this to expropriate
their stolen riches, which he might do (98% of Russian population would be cheering; they'd
cheer even more if Putin hangs those bastards, but that's unlikely), these sanctions would be
yet another example of the US shooting itself in the foot. The US is getting pretty good at
that lately, always screaming that it hurts afterwards.
"... So will a good Christian like Mike Pompeo reconcile these obvious falsehoods, self deception. With every letter, he will be denying the very God he professes to believe in. ..."
"... Trump and his administration are the reveal of the true nature of modern American political Christianity. This is what it always was ..."
"... But The People are not exactly conscientious objector on the issue of Yemen and the crimes committed in our name either. The Republic might rot from the head, but the rot has certainly spread far and wide. ..."
A senior general urged Saudi officials to conduct a thorough investigation into an
airstrike that killed at least 40 children in Yemen, the Pentagon said Monday, an indication
of U.S. concern about allied nations' air operations against Houthi militants.
The general's request actually shows how little concern the U.S. has for how the Saudi
coalition conducts its war effort. If the U.S. were concerned with how the war was being
fought, our officials wouldn't be asking the perpetrators of atrocities to investigate their
own crimes. It is pointless to urge the Saudis to conduct an investigation into their own war
crime when we already know that they will find that they did nothing wrong. As the
Post article notes later on, the coalition's investigations predictably excuse their
actions:
According to Andrea Prasow, deputy Washington director for Human Rights Watch, Saudi
investigators had cleared coalition military officials of legal responsibility in virtually
all investigations the JIAT had conducted.
The pattern of Saudi coalition conduct over the last three years is clear. Their forces
commit numerous documented war crimes, and then when they "investigate" those crimes they
determine that their forces are guilty of nothing. It would have been laughable to ask the
Saudis to investigate themselves back in 2015, and to do the same over three years later is
inexcusable. It is an invitation to whitewashing heinous, illegal acts. The U.S. will not
honestly call out the coalition members for their crimes against Yemeni civilians because our
government is
deeply complicit in those crimes, and so we are treated to this pantomime farce where we
send officers to call for investigations whose results have been predetermined even before the
crimes were committed. The entire policy is a disgrace, and it brings dishonor on everyone
ordered to participate in it.
There needs to be an independent, international inquiry into war crimes committed by all
sides in Yemen. All parties to the conflict are assuredly guilty of war crimes, and all parties
should be held accountable for what they have done to Yemen's civilians. As long as the U.S.
enables Saudi coalition crimes and then shields them from scrutiny, our government is
implicated in both the crime and the cover-up. Congress could put a stop to this if they
were willing to do their jobs and assume their proper responsibilities, but for more than three
years they have shirked their duties and acquiesced in a despicable and indefensible policy in
Yemen.
"The entire policy is a disgrace, and it brings dishonor on everyone ordered to
participate in it."
For all that they're doing it at the order of even more disgusting civilians, this has got
a be a low point in the history of the American military. The word "Yemen" on a resume or CV
will make military people stink for the rest of their lives. Like "My Lai" or "Dishonorable
Discharge".
We are getting a preview of the letters Mike Pompeo will be signing off on to Congress.
So will a good Christian like Mike Pompeo reconcile these obvious falsehoods, self
deception. With every letter, he will be denying the very God he professes to believe
in.
"The entire policy is a disgrace, and it brings dishonor on everyone ordered to participate
in it."
Conduct unbecoming.
The higher the rank of the officers involving themselves in this – in following
unconstitutional orders to participate in an illegal campaign of aggressive war and
collective punishment – the worse it gets. It would be a heroic act for a private
– or even the officer piloting a refueling tanker – to speak out against this, a
general has much less of a claim to honor and acquiescence both.
If The People really supported those who serve, they would rally to every conscientious
objector – even the misguided ones – because anybody who has the honor and
integrity to question orders is preferable to those that pay no heed to the meaning of their
oath.
But The People are not exactly conscientious objector on the issue of Yemen and the
crimes committed in our name either. The Republic might rot from the head, but the rot has
certainly spread far and wide.
"... Besides, just look at how much the Iraq War benefited Israel. You see, Israel wants to pursue a strategy of destabilizing the region, so it cleverly pulled off a false flag attack on 9/11; I'm not quite sure why Mossad didn't frame one of Israel's actual enemies, like the Palestinians or Iranians, or even Saddam for that matter, as the perpetrators of the attacks, but I'm sure it's all part of the plan. ..."
"... Anyway, Israel got the United States to invade Iraq, which destabilized the region and created chaos, predictably leading to a massive increase in Iranian influence in Iraq and likely enabling more Iranian intervention in the Syrian Civil War, which benefited Israel because uh chaos and destabilization. ..."
. The decision to go to war on false pretenses against Iraq, largely promoted by a cabal
of prominent American Jews in the Pentagon and in the media, killed 4,424 Americans as well
as hundreds of thousands Iraqis and will wind up costing the American taxpayer $7 trillion
dollars when all the bills are paid. That same group of mostly Jewish neocons more-or-less
is now agitating to go to war with Iran using a game plan for escalation prepared by Israel
which will, if anything, prove even more catastrophic.
Oh right, who can forget the cabal of Jews controlling the US government and military at
the time of the Iraq invasion, such as President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney,
Secretary of State Colin Powell, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers, CIA director George Tenet, National Security Advisor
Condoleezza Rice Every.Single.Time, am I right, folks?
Oh wait, they aren't Jewish? Well, I blame the Jews away. Just look at uh Under
Secretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Woflowitz and
journalist Bill Kristol. That sounds like an extremely powerful cabal easily capable of
commanding such trivial figures as the President, CIA director, Secretary of State, et
cetera, to do their bidding.
Besides, just look at how much the Iraq War benefited Israel. You see, Israel wants to
pursue a strategy of destabilizing the region, so it cleverly pulled off a false flag attack
on 9/11; I'm not quite sure why Mossad didn't frame one of Israel's actual enemies, like the
Palestinians or Iranians, or even Saddam for that matter, as the perpetrators of the attacks,
but I'm sure it's all part of the plan.
Anyway, Israel got the United States to invade Iraq, which destabilized the region and
created chaos, predictably leading to a massive increase in Iranian influence in Iraq and
likely enabling more Iranian intervention in the Syrian Civil War, which benefited Israel
because uh chaos and destabilization.
And if you doubt that neocons totally control the US government, just look at how we're at
war with Iran! Well we're not technically at war yet, a decade after neoconservatives
began promoting the war and President Obama did somehow manage to sign a nuclear deal with
Iran that infuriated his neocon and Israeli puppetmasters but I'm sure that President Trump,
famously beloved by Jews and neocons everywhere, will soon go to war with Iran.
' I'm not entirely sure why you keep hanging on to this tired and false narrative that
US politicians are some sort of stooges and puppets of Israel '
Maybe because they are stooges and puppets? In extreme cases, they even boast of it. When
Romney was running for president, he promised he would check with Israel on any action we
took in the Middle East. When Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State was promoting civil war
in Syria, she explained that this was necessary because Israel wished it.
It goes on, and on. If someone is considering a run for Congress, he gets a nice little
packet from AIPAC. Among other things, he's asked to write an essay expressing his feelings
about Israel.
If the essay isn't satisfactory, AIPAC backs his opponent.
Not surprisingly, when Netanyahu -- the premier of a tiny state on the other side of the
planet -- spoke to Congress he was interrupted with standing ovations seventeen times. The
display put me in mind of the sort of frenzied adulation Communist delegates used to display
towards Stalin.
and the motives, of course, would be similar, even if actual death isn't in prospect. For
most in Congress, displease Israel, and your political career just ended.
"Many in the intelligence and law enforcement communities suspect that it (Israel) had
considerable prior intelligence regarding the 9/11 plot but did not share it with
Washington."
It's certainly difficult to explain how else Mossad came to be filming the attack.
I think it needs to be emphasized that it's not merely a matter of practical politics.
Israel is evil -- she brings misery to millions, actual happiness to almost no one, and
engages in behavior with no defensible moral foundation at all. She has attacked every
single one of her neighbors, compulsively seeks out further conflict to paper over the
shortcomings in her own national identity, and treats her Palestinian subjects with a
morality about like that of a nasty little boy pulling the wings off a fly.
Arguably, others are as bad. However, unlike the others, Israel could not have come into
being without our support, and could not continue to exist today without our continued moral,
economic, diplomatic, and military support. If we pulled the plug, Israel would cease to
exist as a Jewish supremacist state within -- at most -- a decade.
We are, in fact, responsible for Israel, and hence responsible for Israel's crimes. Other
people's teenaged sons may well be out there stealing cars and raping girls. This happens to
be our son doing it. We're responsible.
We pursue many policies I regard as futile, short-sighted, deluded, or self-destructive.
My personal list would include 'come one come all' immigration, global warming denial,
maintaining a massive military establishment, condoning 'Black Lives Matter,' and probably
some other things.
No doubt the reader has his own list. However, that's not the point. The point is that
essentially, these policies are merely stupid rather than actually evil. It's not evil
to think we should just let whoever wants come into the US. It's dumb -- but it isn't
evil. In fact, I'll willingly credit people who vote for 'sanctuary cities' et al with the
most laudable sentiments. I merely question their intelligence.
Israel is different. Israel is evil, and hence our support for it is as well. It is the
most fundamentally wrong act we are engaged in.
There is a moral dimension to life. There is a distinction between striving to do good --
however unsuccessfully -- and willingly participating in evil.
"A well-funded massive lobbying effort involving hundreds of groups and thousands of
individuals in the U.S. has worked to the detriment of actual American interests, in part
by creating a permanent annual gift of billions of dollars to Israel for no other reason
but that it is Israel and can get anything it wants from a servile Congress and White House
without any objection from a controlled media."
Kind of begs the question, why are we giving any aid to a first-world country with a GDP
growth rate in the 3% to 4% rate for years (even while we were stuck below 2%) and an
unemployment rate below 4%?
The Israeli economy is in better shape than the US economy; they should be giving us
aid.
"Baron Cohen, who confronted several GOP notables in the guise of Colonel Erran Morad,
an Israeli security specialist, provided a number of clues that his interview was a sham
but none of the victims were smart enough to pick up on them."
Yes, it is truly amazing what our "Best & Brightest" will do to stay on-side.
Following Mr. Giraldi's earlier post regarding the gubernatorial run of Israeli puppet Ron
DeSantis and the Big Sugar connections of Adam Putnam, it would seem a Floridian's least
worst choice is Bob White.
Israel is nothing but trouble. It has the right to defend itself
1st part: Absolutely, indubitably correct.
2nd part: ¿Qué? Why do people say/write this? Under what corrupt
arrangement does an oh, so obvious outlaw have any such right?
Consider: A gang of out-of-towners turns up at a block of flats, breaks the doors down and
occupies the building, killing some erstwhile owner/occupiers and ejecting most of the rest
on the way in, thereafter whooping it up big, and ignoring [obviously too feeble] orders to
RoR+R*3 [= Right of Return + Revest, Reparations and Reconciliation.] Since when can such
outlaws dictate anything, thumb their noses at the Law?
Property, especially here land, is alienable – but this does not mean
' subject to seizure by aliens .'
Kindly consider: "A fair exchange is no robbery." A fair exchange means willing
seller, interested buyer, and a freely and fairly agreed price. No such thing exists
vis-à-vis the forcible colonisation of Palestine. Some proof may be seen
here [my
bolding]:
By 1949, some 700,000 Palestinians had fled or been expelled from their lands and
villages. Israel was now in control of some 20.5 million dunams (approx. 20,500
km²) or 78% of lands in what had been Mandatory Palestine
Land laws were passed to legalize changes to land ownership.[5]
5. Ruling Palestine, A History of the Legally Sanctioned Jewish-Israeli Seizure of Land
and Housing in Palestine. Publishers: COHRE & BADIL, May 2005, p. 37.
Especially in reference to the illegitimate entity which terms itself Israel, wiki is not
reliable, being, like the US Congress, Israeli-occupied territory. So it is noteworthy that
they write "in control of" as opposed to 'own.' They can't ever own it due to not having
purchased it, and Palestinians may not surrender it, due to the UDHR which specifies
*inalienable* rights:
Article 3.
• Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 17.
• (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with
others.
• (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Also, see the Washington Consensus:
10.Legal security for property rights.
Further, there is UNSC242: inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war, plus
only just law may earn respect, and/or be respected. A law dispossessing erstwhile legal
owner/occupiers is an utter travesty.
Me; comment: Its illegitimacy is all so howlingly obvious!
Fazit: Apart from the ~6% of 'pre-Herzl Palestine' which 'invading by stealth' alien,
mostly European Jews managed to purchase, the illegitimate entity does not own nor can they
ever own the land/property they squat upon, which still belongs to the erstwhile
owner/occupiers, specifically the 'native' pre-Nakba Palestinians [now including heirs &
successors]. Then, the illegitimate entity does not declare borders for two reasons 1) any
such declaration would be [probably successfully] challenged and 2) the illegitimate entity
expresses the desire to expand to 'from the Nile to the Euphrates.' Q: Just how ghastly is
that? A: Could hardly be worse.
Closing the loop: How can land-thieves have any 'right to defend' such improperly
alienated land/property? It doesn't compute! rgds
Thank you, Mr. Giraldi, for another forceful rebuke of Zionist criminality and US
culpability.
The supremacist kosher state is a cancer on America. Just survey the wreckage. Count the
bodies. Who benefits from this?
The Zionist project is a plague on humanity. It entertains no compromise. It will stop at
virtually nothing. Examine the blood-soaked damage from Soviet Russia to Germany to Palestine
and beyond. It moves Washington around via remote control.
The situation has become very grave. Speech deemed 'anti-Semitic' is rapidly being
criminalized worldwide.
Right wing political expression (that Jews don't like) on Twitter, Facebook and the web is
being de-platformed for speech infractions that involve 'hate'. But it's only 'hate' of a
certain stripe.
After all, hatred is ubiquitous in America. It cuts in every direction. So why is the
focus so intense on just one spectrum of hatred?
Might it have something to do with the political preferences of those in power?
Oh maybe.
Principles be damned. Whose ox is being gored?
With that in mind, consider this: who might actually be the biggest hater of
all?–and killer? (Hint: it's certainly not the powerless Alt-right 'deplorables'.)
Might it instead be the world's foremost victims?
After all, incendiary speech–even 'hate speech'–does not kill. It takes bombs,
drones, tanks and missiles to accomplish that.
So where's the uproar over routine sorties which needlessly dispense death and
destruction?
It's gone missing.
Incredibly, it is rough speech and acute political criticism–not failed, horrific
wars–that are being criminalized. Pro-Zionist 'wars of choice' still get a pass in our
corporate board rooms, TV studios, news rooms, and in most of Official Washington.
This entrenched distortion allows neocons and their underlings to jawbone and plot their
next preemptive war. The Big Squeeze is on. Beware Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and
Iran. Zionism is an 'unshakable' Washington value. So get ready.
How distant wars advance the interests of average Americans remains a mystery.
Despite this puzzle, America's MSM offers little resistance and no straightforward
criticism of Zio-Washington's ceaseless war efforts on behalf of a certain 'democratic ally'.
In similar fashion, the Fourth Estate has also been compromised.
It's worth remembering that, according to the UN Charter, a state-sponsored 'First Strike'
against another sovereign state is the most serious war crime. This elementary moral precept
however matters not–at least not when Israel is pulling the strings. Quiet, children.
Listen. Obey.
What we have here is a pattern of vast serial criminality.
Zio-Washington has become Israel's war vessel. We regular folk are just along for the
ride.
So don't forget to cheer for the good guys!
Incredibly, US-enabled, Israeli ruthlessness has gotten even worse under 'America First'
Trump. After all, Trump needlessly tore up Obama's hard-fought peace deal with Iran.
Why would Trump make such a move? (As a candidate, he was far less hawkish).
Our weakened and despised President needs desperately to please America's foremost lobby.
Trump cannot govern without their support. This peculiar situation however requires
additional blood-letting on behalf of the Zionist state. Foreign wars that benefit Israel are
the unwritten price that the goyim leadership in America must pay. Sorry folks!
(Are you listening, Tehran?)
Jewish power corrupts. Overwhelming Jewish power corrupts in overwhelming fashion.
"... Israel – not Russia – is the one foreign country that can interfere with impunity with the political processes in the United States yet it is immune from criticism. ..."
By all means confront Israel if that is your thing, but don't pretend that there is any
possibility of besting them.
Israel – not Russia – is the one foreign country that can interfere with
impunity with the political processes in the United States yet it is immune from
criticism.
Yes. And that is why only Israel can tame American Jews.
A list of America's adversaries here would contain the Taliban, the Houthis of Yemen, Bashar
Assad of Syria, Erdogan's Turkey, Iran, North Korea, Russia and China -- a pretty full
plate.
Are we prepared to see these confrontations through, to assure the capitulation of our
adversaries? What do we do if they continue to defy us?
And if it comes to a fight, how many allies will we have in the battles and wars that
follow?
Was this the foreign policy America voted for?
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That
Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever."
Has anybody in comments noted how far we have swung from absence of actual PROOF Russia did
the Skripal "poisonings" (or even Litvenenko for that matter?!) to what seems like complete
acceptance of "guilt," even as major international bodies (OPCW, etc., even Porton Down) have
not been able to tie Russia/Putin to these alleged acts of terror or isolate the "novichoks"
genre of nerve agent ? The Red Queen triumphs.
Does mere accusation now stand for "truth" in this inmates-running-the-asylum charade USA
is putting on? If the "big lie" (Lenin, BTW not Goebbels, originally) works this easily, we
are indeed down the chute & over the brink. Orwell is spinning in his grave (gnashing his
teeth).
"... Therefore, we have to deal with facts in the matter. Among the facts, I'd like to point out to the behavior of the investigating party, i.e. the British authorities. "We have proof but won't show them to you, because they are secret" attitude; bypassing normal investigative and judicial channels; unreasonable demands towards Russia they knew full well won't be met and total refusal to cooperate on realistic terms – we saw it for the first time in the Litvinenko affaire. ..."
All I was pointing out was that there were many reasons why Litvinenko was a target
for unfriendly Russian actions
I am pretty sure Litvinenko wasn't particularly loved in Russia: he was a traitor, after
all, and, judging by his actions, a pretty miserable human being. However, building a case on
motive alone is not possible, if for no other reason than because a motive is by definition
subjective. You could analyze until your face turns blue how Putin felt about Litvinenko's
accusations but you'd never come to any firm conclusion, for only Putin can possibly know
that.
Therefore, we have to deal with facts in the matter. Among the facts, I'd like to
point out to the behavior of the investigating party, i.e. the British authorities. "We have
proof but won't show them to you, because they are secret" attitude; bypassing normal
investigative and judicial channels; unreasonable demands towards Russia they knew full well
won't be met and total refusal to cooperate on realistic terms – we saw it for the
first time in the Litvinenko affaire.
The same patters was repeated exactly in the Skripal case. This tells you who is the
"highly likely" culprit, doesn't it? These two scenarios are so much alike, the have the same
author – not necessarily the same person, but definitely the same office.
There are antisemitic rants in many places on the web, almost all of which are ignored.
But make an objective criticism of the Zionist enterprise now a days and its apologists resort immediately to unrestrained
howls and accusations of antisemitism.
One ought, therefor, to understand this rhetorical device for the simple ad hominem attack that it is.
In near simultaneous statements addressed to the Iranian public in a speech aired on state TV, the supreme leader who has the
final word over all affairs in the Islamic republic, issued the directive: "I ban holding any talks with America... America never
remains loyal to its promises in talks."
"America's withdrawal from the nuclear deal is a clear proof that America cannot be trusted," state TV quoted Khamenei further.
As part of his series of tweets, some of which mocked Trump's policy in the Middle East, Khamenei published an infographic presenting
his position on ratcheting tensions with the U.S.
He also slammed the idea that this was the first such offer of talks, saying that Iran has proudly resisted unfair and imbalanced
U.S. offers of negotiations for decades, and even cited President Ronald Reagan's sending his national security advisor, Robert McFarlane
to Tehran for failed negotiations.
Notably, he appeared to troll Trump personally as well as his cabinet in the following:
A stupid man tells the Iranian nation that 'your government spends your money on Syria'. This is while his boss-- the U.S.
president-- has admitted he spent 7 trillion dollars in the Middle East without gaining anything in return!
The top Iranian cleric also briefly referenced Iran's domestic crisis, which has included sporadic protests and clashes with the
police throughout the summer in response to a plummeting rial and inability of people to access imported goods, stating "Today's
livelihood problems do not emerge from outside; they are internal."
He urged the country to resist sanctions and erect "prudent" ways shielding from their effects.
It will be interesting to see if Trump responds to this directly in a tweet, or if any official reaction will be forthcoming from
the White House.
But in the meantime it appears the possibility of any renegotiation after Trump's official pullout of the JCPOA last May has just
had to the door slammed on it.
The mullahs are going to be quite the whiny bitches for a while. The anti-American pro Islam President Obama, Commie CIA director,
for sale Sec of State, gay agenda Pentagon director and Ben Rhodes and ValJar, Rice and their ill will not be returning. Islamic
socialism will be performing the economic wonders you can expect, putting a strong clamp on you their foreign subversion and domestic
payrolls too. Meanwhile, they've got a middle class that hates them and views Islam as foreign dirty Arabs' inhuman sect. Good
luck with that.
One has to wonder on how many fronts can Washington keep expanding America's military with the goal of fighting and actually
winning a war before it collapses under the weight of its expenditures?
Washington won't be winning any wars against Russia and/or China. It should stick with what it's good at, that is bombing third
world countries, on behalf of its Zionist masters. On second thoughts, it shouldn't be doing that either.
Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei banned holding any direct talks with the United
States, state TV reported, rejecting an offer last month by U.S.
He said "It was my mistake to allow the government for starting The Joint Comprehensive
Plan of Action. I gave the permission for the negotiations because of the insistence of the
gentlemen".
President Donald Trump for talks with no preconditions with Tehran.
"I ban holding any talks with America ... America never remains loyal to its promises in
talks ... just gives empty words ... and never retreats from its goals for talks," Khamenei
was quoted as saying by TV.
Iran's foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif told Al Jazeera that Iran will not change
its policies in the Middle East because of US sanctions and threats.
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"... Proposed new "sanctions" on Russia essentially amount to a declaration of war. ..."
"... The US is spelling out the conditions that have no chance of being met. Let's hope that the result will be further Russian alignment with China, rather than nuclear war. I'd hate to be killed by Russian missiles hitting the US just because bought by MIC and paid for American "leadership" has gone completely insane. Hope springs eternal. ..."
"... They are constantly talking about the "hybrid warfare" and the Russian "attack" on America, but it means that the US (both its politicians and its population) get psychologically prepared for an actual war, and it is precisely their actions which keep drifting towards actual war. ..."
"... I don't think the Israel lobby alone should be blamed for these "sanctions". Insanity is more widespread in the US "leadership" than Jewish shekels. This looks like the death throes of the Empire. Let's hope it does not take the humanity with it to its grave. ..."
"... Interesting looks like the inevitable Turkish financial crisis has begun, Europe has reasonable exposure there, further disruption to economic ties to Russia would be seen as a hostile act by Europe. ..."
"... Any compromise with the US is unlikely to give anything than shattered delusions. Who could be partners in such a system? Aside from the obvious candidate, China, perhaps even India. Modi has in recent months distanced himself from the US and warmed up to China again. ..."
"... Unless the EU finally shows some spine – which is very unlikely – then the Western system will be exposed to be at the mercy of whoever controls the US. Such a system is hegemonic and it will be in the best interest of not just the non-Western world but even for those of us in Europe to see a breakdown in that world order. ..."
"... Turkey's implicit bet was that it could continue to rely on Western money flows while pursuing an agenda contrary to Western interests has been conclusively shattered. When I say Western interests, I do not mean the propaganda about human rights, which the West manifestly doesn't give two hoots about. ..."
The Trump administration is hitting Russia with new sanctions punishing President Vladimir
Putin's government for using a chemical weapon against an ex-spy in Britain, U.S. officials
told NBC News Wednesday.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo signed off on a determination that Russia violated
international law by poisoning the former spy, Sergei Skripal, and his daughter in March,
officials said, a decision that was announced Wednesday afternoon by State Department.
The biggest impact from the initial sanctions is expected to come from a ban on granting
licenses to export sensitive national security goods to Russia, which in the past have
included items like electronic devices and components, along with test and calibration
equipment for avionics. Prior to the sanctions, such exports were allowed on a case-by-case
basis.
A second, more painful round kicks in three months later unless Russia provides "reliable
assurances" that it won't use chemical weapons in the future and agrees to "on-site
inspections" by the U.N. -- conditions unlikely to be met. The second round of sanctions
could include downgrading diplomatic relations, suspending state airline Aeroflot's ability
to fly to the U.S, and cutting off nearly all exports and imports.
Section 7 covers the sanctions that are to be imposed, which consist of initial sanctions,
and further sanctions to be imposed after 90 days if there is no compliance on the country's
part.
Initial sanctions : Ban on foreign assistance, arms sales, denial of US credit, and
exporting national security sensitive goods. (Most of this is already functionally in place
with respect to Russia).
Further sanctions : Ban on multilateral bank assistance [e.g. IMF, World Bank, the EBRD,
etc], ban on US bank loans, a near total export ban (except food and agricultural commodities)
and import ban, downgrade or suspension of US diplomatic relations, revocation of landing
rights to air carriers controlled by the government of the sanctioned country.
Reuters has a US State Department official saying that the sanctions
would not apply to Aeroflot, which some commenters have
qualified as backtracking. But I think that the official was merely talking of the initial
sanctions.
How does Russia go about removing the sanctions? The President will need to "certify" to
Congress that the country in question: (1) Has made "reliable assurances", and is not making
preparations, to use chemical/biological weapons in violation of international law, or against
its own citizens; (2) is willing to allow on-site inspections by UN observers to confirm the
above; (3) is making restitutions to the victims of its chemical/biological weapons usage.
This would basically require Russia to admit guilt for the Skripal poisoning and subject
itself to the inspections regimes that the US typically tries to force on "rogue states." In
other words, it is out of the question.
Moreover, even in the theoretical possibility that this goes through, it's not like
President Trump's "certification" will be worth anything amidst the Russiagate hysteria.
Another possibility to avoid the near cessation of trade between the US and Russia is to
have the President "waiver" the application of individual sanctions, if he can determine and
certify to Congress that doing so is necessary for the national security interests of the US;
or that there has been "a fundamental change in the leadership and policies" of the sanctioned
country. In either case, the President needs to provide a report to Congress explaining his
detailed rationale for the waiver, and listing steps the sanctioned country is taking to
satisfy the "removal of sanctions" clause.
The newspaper Kommersant has published a full draft of the proposed "Defending American
Security from Kremlin Aggression Act," which demands a U.S. investigation into Vladimir
Putin's personal wealth and whether Russia sponsors terrorism, and would impose a ban on U.S.
citizens buying Russian sovereign debt, though the U.S. Treasury publicly opposed this idea
in February, warning that it would disrupt the market broadly. Republican Senator Lindsey
Graham, one of the initiative's sponsors, says one of the draft legislation's goals is to
impose "crushing sanctions."
[Sanctions to include:]
* Banning the banks . The draft bill proposes banning Russia's biggest state banks --
Sberbank, VTB Bank, Gazprombank, Rosselkhozbank, Promsvyazbank, or Vnesheconombank -- from
operating inside the United States, which would effectively prevent these institutions from
conducting dollar settlements.
* Oil and gas . In the energy sector, the legislation would impose sanctions on investment
in any projects by the Russian government or government-affiliated companies outside Russia
worth more than $250 million. Businesses would also incur penalties for any participation
(funding or supplying equipment or technology) in new oil projects inside Russia valued above
$1 million.
* Lists and research . If the bill is submitted in its current form and adopted, the U.S.
president would have 180 days to begin implementing its provisions; within 60 days of
adoption, the White House would need to provide a new list of Russian individuals suspected
of cyber-attacks against the United States; the Treasury Department would have 180 days to
update its "Kremlin list" of Russian state officials and oligarchs; the director of national
intelligence would be tasked with completing a "detailed report on the personal net worth and
assets" of Vladimir Putin and his family; and the State Department would have 90 days to
determine whether Russia should be designated as a state sponsor of terrorism.
* A new Sanctions Office . In order to shore up the 2017 Countering America's Adversaries
Through Sanctions Act, the draft legislation would also create an "Office of Sanctions
Coordination" within the State Department to coordinate work with the Treasury.
(1) The bill's sponsors, which include Lindsey Graham, Robert Menendez, and Ben Cardin,
preface their text with a call for President Trump to demand Russia stop interference in US
"democratic processes", return Crimea to the Ukraine, stop supporting the separatists in East
Ukraine, as well the "occupation and support of separatists" in the territories of Georgia and
Moldova, and support for Bashar Assad, who continues to commit "war crimes."
(2) They note that the general drift of the document is towards a consolidation of separate
anti-Russian sanctions, from the "Ukrainian" to the "cyber" ones, into a "single
mechanism."
(3) Subject to a 2/3 vote in the Senate, the bill also includes a ban on financing "direct
or indirect" steps, that have as their goal to support the attempts of "any US government
official" to take the country out of NATO. Every 90 days, the US Secretary of State, in
coordination with the Defense Minister, would be required to present a report to the relevant
committees in Congress about "threats to NATO", which would include attempts to weaken US
commitments to the alliance. Considering Trump's ambiguous feelings on NATO, this part is
primarily aimed at Trump himself.
(4) There are calls to "pressure" Russia from interfering with UN and the OPCW attempts to
investigate chemical weapons usage, as well as to "punish" Russia for producing and using
chemical weapons. This directly syncs this sanctions bill to the previous one.
The report concludes that it's not yet clear how to interpret this. In the worse case, it
could be a "preliminary application" for a UN campaign to exclude Russia from the Security
Council; alternatively, it could just be a "pragmatic" run-up to merely invoking great
sanctions, as with Iran in 1983.
***
I suppose we now also know why Russia has been selling Treasuries for the past three
months, which plummeted from their typical level of $100 billion in March to just $15 billion
from June (i.e. just enough to guarantee USD-denominated trade).
For comparison,
the last time such a drawback happened (but which only lasted three weeks) was in the
immediate aftermath of Crimea.
The last time Russia pulled such a large sum out of the U.S. was just after the annexation
of Crimea in 2014, when the central bank withdrew about $115 billion from the New York Fed,
Reuters reported last year, citing two former Fed officials. Most of that money was returned
a few weeks later, after it became clear that the scope of initial U.S. sanctions would be
narrower than the Kremlin expected, according to the news service.
But I suppose this drawdown would now be permanent, since it is increasingly evident that
Iran-tier sanctions on Russia are now on the horizon.
These sanctions are either going to steadily creep in – or rush in like a tsunami if
there is a Blue Wave in 90 days, or if Trump was to be removed.
However, as I have pointed out, the ultimate ability of the US to directly
punish Russia is limited; it has twice as many people as Iran, after all, and many times the
economic output. Trade between Russia and the US is very limited.
Moreover, as I have pointed out , Russia has
plenty of surprising ways to hurt the US as well. For instance, banning Aeroflot from flying to
the US has a simple response – banning US air carriers from overflying North Eurasia,
period. It can resurrect a bill – first raised this May, since sunken in the legislature
– to impose fines and prison time
on individuals and entities who support Western sanctions by refusing to do business with
Russian citizens or entities on America's SDN list. It can throw out the American-dominated
copyrights regimen out of the window.
Some questions we should now be asking include:
1. Precisely how far is the US prepared to go? Cutting off its own trade with Russia is one
thing – penalizing foreign companies that do business with Russia is something else. As
Ben Aris
notes , the US Treasury Department has been ratcheting back on its sanctions against Oleg
Deripaska and Rusal, after the chaos it has caused in the international metals market. The
ideological Russiagaters need to balance their PDS/TDS against the pecuniary practicalities of
catering to finance and oil & gas interests and their lobbies.
2. To what extent will the EU join in, passively acquiesce to, or resist the US sanctions
against Russia? The answer to this question will to a large extent determine precisely how
deeply Russia falls into China's orbit in the next couple of decades.
This sounds very close to a declaration of war. USA is beginning to throw everything it has
behind economic warfare and go "all in" forcing even its closest allies to either suffer
serious sanctions for not joining the economic attacks or to inflict self-harm by limiting
trade with Russia, Iran, and anyone else the US chooses to declare economic warfare upon.
I don't believe that this set of circumstances can continue indefinitely without a serious
realignment or a degeneration into "kinetic" warfare.
Proposed new "sanctions" on Russia essentially amount to a declaration of war. Lunatic asylum
is the most appropriate place for the whole American "leadership", down to the last
man/woman/tranny. The only thing that stands between us and WWIII, which would be a suicide
of humanity, is unbelievably cool and reasonable position of Putin and the rest of Russian
leadership.
It is clear to anyone with a brain that the US "sanctions" on Russia have zero chance of
changing Russia's stance on any international issues of consequence. Crimea is a good
example: it will return to Ukraine the day after the Hell freezes over. On the same date
Georgia gets South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and US-sponsored Islamic bandits win over Assad in
Syria. Thus, The US is spelling out the conditions that have no chance of being met. Let's
hope that the result will be further Russian alignment with China, rather than nuclear war.
I'd hate to be killed by Russian missiles hitting the US just because bought by MIC and paid
for American "leadership" has gone completely insane. Hope springs eternal.
I agree. They are constantly talking about the "hybrid warfare" and the Russian "attack"
on America, but it means that the US (both its politicians and its population) get
psychologically prepared for an actual war, and it is precisely their actions which keep
drifting towards actual war.
There is also a lot of projection going on here: the Americans obviously perceive their
own election meddling as war by other means, and so they accuse their enemies with the very
same thing.
Russia is far too integrated in to the wider European economy, and Russia is too stronk for
sanctions to do anything. See Nord Stream II. Ignore the Israel lobby sanctions, not even the
corrupt congress critters could vote for those.
I have no idea why these new meaningless sanctions have been conjured up, maybe the Rand
Paul letter has the answer, maybe not. I think we may have some answers after the
midterms.
I don't think the Israel lobby alone should be blamed for these "sanctions". Insanity is
more widespread in the US "leadership" than Jewish shekels. This looks like the death throes
of the Empire. Let's hope it does not take the humanity with it to its grave.
Now that it is within the realms of reasonable debate, if there were a nuclear war between
the USA and Russia what targets would be hit? Would Russia hit puppet regimes such the UK,
France or Poland? Would the USA hit Iran (because if they are going to hit Russia they might
as well get Iran in there as well).
If say only Russian and USA were hit, how much of the nuclear fallout would affect
Europe?
Why, if Putin threatened Netanyahu to call off his dogs, he would have to? Actions of
AIPAC should be accountable.
Interesting looks like the inevitable Turkish financial crisis has begun, Europe has
reasonable exposure there, further disruption to economic ties to Russia would be seen as a
hostile act by Europe.
Russia today is in a much better position to withstand sanctions. Global oil investments have
been lagging for half a decade due to low prices, and this will inevitably show up in the
coming years.
Russia in 2014 was battered by a twin storm, of which the oil price collapse was in fact far
worse. That factor is now gone.
Furthermore, a planned VAT rise next year will mean that the break-even oil price for the
Russian budget will fall to $50 after $60 this year and $67 last year, according to Alfa
Bank's analysis . Steady, impressive
improvement. So even in an event of an unexpected oil price decline, Russia is far more
prepared this time around.
Additionally, over the last 4 years, Russia's economy has indigenised to a much greater
extent than before. This is especially the case in the financial markets. Russia is simply a
lot less reliant on foreign funding. Bershidsky wrote about how more and more Russian
companies are leaving UK capital markets and returning to Russia. This process will continue
but it has already yielded results. As a country with a large current account surplus, tamed
inflation, an incredibly strong fiscal state, there is indeed very little that the US can do,
which is probably why they are reaching with ever-greater desperation.
I think the ultimate endgame can only be to completely run a parallel system. Any
compromise with the US is unlikely to give anything than shattered delusions. Who could be
partners in such a system? Aside from the obvious candidate, China, perhaps even India. Modi
has in recent months distanced himself from the US and warmed up to China again.
India has
always bristled at being treated as a close ally rather as a 'partner'. It has cherished it's
non-aligned movement legacy and its historically close relations to Russia. It is unlikely to
want to give up on that in order to become a subservient lapdog to US interests in the manner
that the EU has degraded itself.
China's AIIB is a good start, but the full range of new institutions must bear fruit. Some
of the BRICS ideas are good but ultimately both Brazil and South Africa are too unimportant.
It should be borne by the big powers (Russia, India and China) together with an Asian
coalition like the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and others who are not in the US orbit
yet have a bright future ahead of them.
Turning to Europe. Unless the EU finally shows some spine – which is very unlikely
– then the Western system will be exposed to be at the mercy of whoever controls the
US. Such a system is hegemonic and it will be in the best interest of not just the
non-Western world but even for those of us in Europe to see a breakdown in that world
order.
America now has a "good cop, bad cop" with Trump and Congress.
Congress puts in more sanctions, but there is constraint responding too much because Trump
seems friendly, and you don't want to alienate him. Trump himself doesn't care about the sanctions, because he thinks it is leverage that he
can lift them later.
There was an article a few months ago that Trump is actually worse than Obama – even
in Obama did not supply direct weapons to Ukraine.
I think Trump plans to remove the sanctions in the next year and improve the relations
– but without any kind of timetable (his meeting with Putin is delayed already to next
year).
OT: The Turkish lira is now the worst-performing currency this year, bar none.
Turkey's implicit bet was that it could continue to rely on Western money flows while
pursuing an agenda contrary to Western interests has been conclusively shattered. When I say
Western interests, I do not mean the propaganda about human rights, which the West manifestly
doesn't give two hoots about.
Turkey was not entirely foolish to believe this strategy could work. Pakistan during the
reign of Islamist military dictator Zia ul-Haq, used a similar strategy during the 1980s. He
empowered the mullahs and moved Pakistan decidedly to the hard-right in religious/cultural
terms while massively opening up the economy to speculative finance, thereby pleasing
Washington. Saudi Arabia has used this policy for a long time. For those who knew this, the
revelation that the US funded some of the most extremist "moderate" rebels in Syria came as
no shock.
So perhaps it isn't the Islamism in of itself which is the problem in Erdogan's case. What
could it be? Well, one clue is the case of Pastor Brunson. The good pastor, who under house
arrest in Turkey, is accused to be close to the Gülen cult. The official line in the
Western MSM is that Trump is trying to appease evangelicals before the midterms. I don't buy
that. He has them in the bag regardless. Gülen himself, some of you might recall, still
lives in the US despite repeated pleas from Turkey to give him back. Which is the unreliable
ally here? Curiously, Gülen's religious bent is even more Islamist than Erdogan's. He's
also even more of a neoliberal. Notice a pattern?
At any rate, the demand from the US has been for Turkey to release Brunson
unconditionally. Erdogan's media has speculated that Brunson was slated to become CIA chief
in Turkey had the 2016 coup come to pass. Obviously, Turkey does not want to release him
unconditionally: it makes them look extremely weak. Well, they now got hit where it hurts.
Indeed, Trump even tweeted out new sanctions news today even as Erdogan was delivering a
speech. I don't happen to believe in coincidences. The result is that the lira lost close to
a quarter of its value in a single day. I haven't even mentioned Turkey's apparent interest
in the S-400 missile system among other matters. This, I think, is what truly irked D.C.
rather than Erdogan's human rights record or "authoritarianism", which is just the
pretext.
Make no mistake: the decline of the lira was structural from the beginning. Turkey's large
CAD made it extremely vulnerable to financial speculation from the getgo. It has now paid
that price. But this does not preclude the fact that countries which are overtly reliant on
Western financial flows to fund large current account deficits should forgo the lesson that
there is no free lunch. Erdogan made this cardinal error. Poland is not nearly as vulnerable,
but we're also in the same orbit. This is why I always laugh at the Poland Stronk memes. It's
also why I dismiss the criticism against Orban that he plays all sides, including taking
money from the EU, as politically naïve. Very few countries in this world can reliably
be called truly independent. Russia is in the process of becoming one. So is China. India is
not quite there, but it has the potential. The rest of us will simply have to balance
hegemons, while reminding ourselves of our inherent vulnerability. If we forget that, then we
just had a textbook example of what happens when we overestimate our hand, playing out in
front of our very eyes today.
Good to hear something sensible from Polish Perspective (in every sense of this
expression). I know some Poles, who tend to be reasonable people, so the policies of Polish
government always amazed me. Then again, if Polish democracy is similar to the US, the
opinions of the people don't matter at all.
There is still a long way to go before Russia, China, or any other country frees itself
from the clutches of dollar-based financial system. However, an alternative might look
parallel at the beginning, but it won't be parallel for long. Thing is, the US dollar and the
US sovereign debt have become essentially Ponzi schemes. If Russia, China, and a few others
create a "parallel" system, dollar-based Ponzi scheme folds, as the US does not have
sufficient assets to support the dollar or pay off its debt. The fall of the Empire will
likely be violent. The only thing we can hope for is that the humanity survives it.
As to EU, it missed every chance of becoming something with a spine. Too late now. In
fact, what French president once said about Arafat (he never missed an opportunity to miss an
opportunity) applies to the EU with a vengeance.
I suppose we now also now why Russia has been selling Treasuries for the past three
months, which plummeted from their typical level of $100 billion in March to just $15
billion from June (i.e. just enough to guarantee USD-denominated trade).
You're making the Kremlins look smarter than they actually are. They should have done this
4 years ago. What I want to know is what happened to the proceeds from the sale? CBR data
shows that value of "foreign exchange" held by the CBR hasn't declined:
Now I can't use the Export-Import Bank insure the export of American-made products from a
swing state to Russia. Really Making America Great Again! Can we please replace Pompeo with Rohrabacher already?
Regarding India, they are asking America for a permission to keep buying Russian weapons.
Asking for a sanctions "waiver" – this is just sad. India also agreed to reduce imports
of Iranian oil. So, perhaps, not so independent anymore.
There is no way to sugarcoat it: in the short to medium term sanctions will suppress
Russian economic growth. But unless they find a way to somehow stop Russia's exports of oil,
our economy will shrug off whatever sanction packages US can throw at it.
Can we please replace Pompeo with Rohrabacher already?
Rohrabacher is a flake and blowhard as well. If he were in the running for Secretary of
State, he could just as easily flip and become militantly anti-Russian in order to impress
people in Washington. Appearing tough on foreigners in front of one's peers in Washington is
their prime motive. They've been like this since before the Vietnam War era.
Obviously a good read overall, but there was this one part that I found particularly well,
interesting, and actually quite surprising:
"Moreover, the mid-2020s will also see a massive influx of electric vehicles into the
global car fleet, which could lead to a final collapse in oil prices. There was practically
no real diversification: the number of industrial robots per worker in Russia is at the
level of Iran and India. Meanwhile, "effective managers" like Sechin turned out to be so
effective that Rosneft's debts exceed the value of the company itself from this year. An
acute economic crisis in a few years is almost inevitable. "
So I'm clearly not even entirely sure whether that translation is accurate, but it really
seems like you're kind of suddenly much more pessimistic on the Russian economy. Or is that
just the "best-case" scenario for Russian nationalists?
Didn't you rate Putin's "economic management" reasonably highly not a long time ago, just
before the Presidential elections? Of course compared to the situation in 2000, but
still.
You've also pointed out several times that Russia's oil dependency has been considerably
exaggerated. Also, Russia's federal budget is already based on low oil prices. Then there's
Jon Hellevig's research and numbers as well (GDP share of oil & gas, the consolidated
budget, etc). And Polish Perspective's comment above.
So shouldn't the repeat of 2014 be kind of unlikely, if not impossible? At this rate,
Russia's remaining oil dependency should already be considerably lower by the mid-20s,
despite all those technological limitations.
You don't believe in an annual growth of 3% anymore? You seriously think there will be an
"acute crisis" in a few years?
I actually just read that even the always (or atleast recently) conservative/pessimistic
Russian authorities (in this case, the Economic Development Ministry) forecast a growth rate
of atleast around 3% beginning from 2021, after the VAT hike, some other "reforms" and
increasing spending.
At the same time, Trump his helping to push the Turkish economy off a cliff with his Twitter
account. Russia and Turkey find themselves in the same boat. So?
Israel and Netanyahu responsible for American sanctions on Russia, conspiracy makes less
sense to me than the others I read here (Israel responsible for killing Kennedy, etc). Why do
Israel want to impose American sanctions on Russia?
This week's sanctions mainly targeting Russian airlines. Aeroflot is about to buy 30
Boeing 737s from America – and now this is in danger.
In Israel, Aeroflot is the third airline, and Israeli government pays it direct subsidies
to reduce the ticket prices for places like Eilat. They allow Aeroflot to put giant Aeroflot
commercial posters along the roads and skyscrapers.
According to the news earlier in the year, Israel is negotiating to join a customs union
with the Eurasian Economic Union. How will they reconcile their own actions, with being the
one responsible for America to sanction Russia? It would be very competent 4 dimensional
chess, from people who cannot even count their illegal immigrants or deport a single illegal
immigrant, or coordinate their nationality policy with a few thousand druze. While making
America sanction Russia has no benefit for them, deporting illegal immigrants, or
coordinating with Druze has important benefits for them (yet supposedly they can do the
former, but not the latter).
At the same time, they do the opposite of sanctioning themselves.
Also if this is the case, how in Russia, nobody in the expert community is aware Israel is
responsible for the sanctions. Instead the media celebrate when it still wants to export
carrots. And if any of the Kremlin top think relations with Israel are bad, then why is
Israel allowed to operate freely in Russia.
If explanation is to do with Syria – it also does not fit. Intervention in Syria was
presented as something which would encourage West to remove its sanctions.
For Israel, Russian-American alliance would improve the situation in the region. And also
probably for Turkey and the Arabs.
Israel is terrified with an increase of Iran in Syria. The reality is that is that both
Russia and America is going to reduce presence in Syria, and Iran is going to increase it.
The problem of Russia in Syria for Israel, is that Russia's presence is only minimal, and
will allow Iran on the ground to take over the same territories that Russia helps secure for
Assad. In the current equation and stage of the war, they will be hoping Russia increases its
presence and reduces the need for Iranian forces. Problem of Assad for them is his only to
the extent of his relation with Iran, not with Russia.
Before the Trump-Putin summit, the Mueller involved FBI indicted 12 Russians, knowing full
well that they'd not be turned over to the US. This latest round of sanctions comes right
after Rand Paul's trip to Moscow, for the purpose of seeking closer US-Russian relations.
On CNN, the establishment alternative academic Robert English hypothesized that elements
in the Russian government might've poisoned the Skripals without Putin's prior knowledge. He
leaves out another possibility, in line with US mass media restrictions. In the UK, there're
Russian ex pats, who quarrel among themselves, in addition to not liking the Russian
government. The poisoning of the Skripals could very well be a matter of trying to kill two
birds (so to speak) in one shot.
Of course we don't know for sure. Likewise, with the bogus suggestion as fact that the
Russian government poisoned the Skripals. Given the ongoing lack of UK government disclosure
on this incident, there's very good reason to doubt the claim against the Russian
government.
I think the ultimate endgame can only be to completely run a parallel system. Any
compromise with the US is unlikely to give anything than shattered delusions.
Seconded. Washington is too much in love with their sanctions.
It should be borne by the big powers (Russia, India and China) together with an Asian
coalition like the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and others who are not in the US orbit
yet have a bright future ahead of them.
Also, Russia's federal budget is already based on low oil prices. Then there's
It's up to 50% of the federal budget in recent years, is funded by oil and gas revenue,
although in low oil price years the proportion can fall (to lower 40s%).
When the proportion falls, then you are by definition financing a federal budget in other
ways, which are usually less politically popular.
You can see unpopularity of announcements to raise VAT or pension age.
Raising pension age (as needs to often be repeated to people) is necessary and reasonable,
but raising VAT is a bad thing as in most countries.
Karlin is probably too pessimistic about oil price demand peaking in 2020s (demand for oil
probably peaking in the 2030s).
Either way, it's known there need to be economic reforms, reduction of size of government
sector, increase in proportion of private sector in many areas, investment in education for
future industries.
Having Russia go pirate on US copy-rite laws could be interesting. Do you think the US would
build a giant firewall and ban it's citizens from viewing Russian content, and could they
actually enforce it, or would the internet be just like back in the good old 90′s days
with Napsternik?
Russia might even make some headway with Pirate Party types. Information belongs to the
people, comrades! Also Russia switching to Linux would probably lead to an increased development of
Linux.
Looks like these sanctions will force their hand: their new narrowbody airliner was going
to have pratt and witney engines with the aviadvigatel ones only for government planes. Not
sure what the exact reasons for this were: p&w ones have a slightly higher bypass ratio,
it allows international buyers to utilise existing service infrastructure or aviadvigatel's
ability to mass produce might be crap. If the us imposes a complete export ban they'll all
have to have them.
Russia's current widebody airliner is pretty much obsolete though.
Aeroflot had benefited from collapse of Transaero. They're getting 35 planes (all Airbus and
Boeing models) from the Transaero fleet and are putting them into Aeroflot fleet this year.
With Boeing, they also had an order of Dreamliners, which they cancelled a few years ago.
Although that was just because there was a downturn in long-haul flights. New Boeing 737
orders are for building up their lowcoster "Pobeda".
For that, Russia needs to produce all types of civilian aircraft, like the USSR did.
That's hard after the 1990s, when the traitors destroyed Russian aircraft industry. There are
moves in the direction of restoring it, in cooperation with China. However, they both need to
be able to build aircraft w/o any parts from the US and its vassals. That would take 5-10
years. In fact, US sanctions pushed Russia and China in the direction of self-sufficiency
very hard. In Russian it is called "sawing off the bough you sit on". The West is really good
at that lately.
These sanctions might be a net positive for Russia in the long term, forcing them to
develop indigenous industries instead of just importing everything from the oil revenue.
Do you think the US would build a giant firewall and ban it's citizens from viewing
Russian content, and could they actually enforce it, or would the internet be just like
back in the good old 90′s days with Napsternik?
The "free market" of Facebook, Apple, Google and Spotify will protect good Americans from
fake news.
Presumably they can still source from Rolls Royce. The UK is a smaller economic power than
America and presumably less interested in sabotaging one of its crown jewels (never rule it
out with the UK ofc).
Russia's aerospace technology is inferior to the West, but that's irrelevant since Russia
can simply force Russian carriers to purchase Russian aircraft. Higher operating costs
relative to foreign carriers can be addressed with subsidies (or tariffs).
Prioritizing your own technology also creates the option of charting an independent
technological course. For instance, instead of building swept-wing jets with low bypass
turbofan engines optimized for transonic cruise, you could build straight-wing aircraft with
propfans optimized for low fuel consumption. You can also build supersonic aircraft and
experiment with different planforms than the boring one established by the Boeing 707.
It's kind of funny how many Americans feel threatened by Iran.
Regarding Russia as a threat at least makes a certain sense given Russia's nuclear arsenal
and ability to destroy the US.
Every time Medvedev opens his mouth, he makes me cringe. Seriously, if you're going to
proclaim an "economic war", against USA no less, then you better explain how Russia is going
to fight back and win. Smart Russians will be heading to currency exchange (
обменный
пункт ) after hearing this statement.
More fuel consumption than is usual with modern aircraft, noisier passenger cabin, more
external noise (also important for some airports with regulations restricting noisy
aircraft), less safety, etc.
It's just not competitive to operate them. Airlines have very low margins anyway, you
cannot make a profit with obsolete aircrafts.
There are a couple of new planes which Aeroflot is going to buy/buying for shorthaul
– Superjet 100 and MC-21. Karlin was blogging about these planes a few weeks ago.
Airtickets are a freemarket, and most passengers don't want to fly in unsafe old planes
like Tu-154
A single crash can be even fatal for an airline – crash of an An-148 has earlier
this year, destroyed Saratov Airlines
As a customer, I don't think there is any disgrace in buying Boeing and Airbus. All major
airlines now, and around the world, are using mainly Airbus and Boeing, and have now retired
the Tu-154.
There is no way to sugarcoat it: in the short to medium term sanctions will suppress
Russian economic growth
AND also Ukraine's, Moldova's, Georgia's, the Baltics and the friendly countries like
Armenia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan etcetera. If anything the US's moron, scumbag policy towards
Russia ends up doing the exact opposite of what it intends to do Ukraine, Moldova, Gerogia and
Baltics then become more financially interlinked and even dependent on Russia than they were
before.
But in the circumstances ..is guaranteed 1% or 1.5% GDP growth per year for the next
decade even that bad considering the circumstances? Every social/infrastructure element is
improving in Russia
The enemy is probably laughing his ass off at Medvedev. One simply should NOT be making
such statements as a prime-minister of Russia. Here is another fool, who doesn't understand currency markets:
You can see unpopularity of announcements to raise VAT or pension age.
It's fake outrage and fake unpopularity on these two issues. 18% increased to 20% is a
non-issue ( the budget is being spent significantly better than ever to offset this increase
in VAT)
A lot of nonsense about "long overdue" get's said about pension reform but this is total
BS.
Yes Russia has 48 million out of 146 million as pensioners, but the most important thing is
the unexpected , way above average increase in life expectancy . that has actually instigated
this move by the authorities.
Those approaching retirement won't suddenly have to work 1-5 years longer they can still
opt-in to the current arrangements in the overlapping period.. and with guarantees pension
increased much further to corresponding inflation levels than now.
Either way, it's known there need to be economic reforms
Disagree with this .the same patterns that have been shown in the last 4 years need to
continue, no radical "reform" is necessary. Small and medium sized business have gone from 10
million to 20 million people and should easily reach the target in afew years time that the
President wished for in May,credit behavior and availability is becoming more and more
western,
Instead of saying "reduction in size of government sector" you must specify exactly which
areas of state control should be privatised .too often from liberasts their focus is solely
on getting state control off critically important energy resources and distribution .nothing
else.
Americans see the Russians as greatness deniers. Their European lackeys are their
greatness-acknowledgers – even when it's detrimental to their own survival.
If the world was a theater, Americans see themselves as the only performers – the
role of the rest of the world is to applaud their performance.
Russia is not a part of the audience, it's not even a heckler. It's a performer, it has
always been, and a very talented one too. To try to demote them to the role of spectators, or
to try to usher them out of the concert hall can be suicidal, they have enough musical
instruments to put on a remarkable concert – even if afterwards no one is left to
applaud.
Mice and humans are quite different, results applying to mice apply to humans less than
50% of the time. The loss rates on this, at any rate, are insane:
Of the 1348 embryos they made, eight pups were born.
Every beginning is hard. Considering that all the cutting edge research in
fertility/cloning/artificial wombs is done on shoestring budgets, the progress is amazing.
Imagine what could be done with sufficient funding.
Our esteemed host have the right idea – the only chance for Russia to achieve its
rightful number one place in the world is through new Manhattan project to develop better
Russians.
The West is stymied by the "pro-lifers" of the right and "bioethicists" of the left, and this
is Russia's chance. Unlike the origial M project, Russians can keep things secret, and even
if the West will suspect something, what can they do? Impose sanctions?
In the thirties, ignorant Caucasian moustacheoid gangster picked the Lysenkoists over the
scientifically correct Darwinist transhumanist eugenicists. Time to undo this mistake.
Our esteemed host have the right idea – the only chance for Russia to achieve its
rightful number one place in the world is through new Manhattan project to develop better
Russians.
And it will have as much impact on the outcome of the looming confrontation as the
Mengele's research had on the outcome of the WWII.
He's also even more of a neoliberal. Notice a pattern?
The west has no qualms about using Islamist. Radical Islam has been used in 1950s against
Nasser's regime in Egypt. Islamist were used against secular pro Soviet regime of Afghanistan
and then against Assad's Syria, Hussain's Iraq and Gaddafi's Libya. The equation is
complicate: on one side you have Israel's Yinon Plan and global neoliberal and Islamists and
on the other side you have secular national countries that try to build greater sovereignty
and stronger state.
Majority of Islamist are just useful idiots while some among the leadership are operatives
of western security services. Sometimes they break off the leash like Hamas which it does not
seem to be controlled by Mossad anymore but it still does everything from the wish list of
Israel's hard-liners.
My pet theory is that Islamist of Iran who destroyed the fast growing and developing Iran
of Shah were also used by some foreign interests in the west and/or Israel. Shah himself
believed it was the British.
You should look at history of your own country in 19 and 20 century. To what extent all
those patriots responsible for numerous and hopeless uprisings were useful idiots, dupes or
operatives of foreign interests?
Question about the Skripal poisoning–if it wasn't the Russians, then who did it?
Also, it's interesting that Sergei Skripal's poisoning has resulted in much more Western
action than Alexander Litvinenko's poisoning back in 2006 did.
' The biggest impact from the initial sanctions is expected to come from a ban on granting
licenses to export sensitive national security goods to Russia, which in the past have
included items like electronic devices and components, along with test and calibration
equipment for avionics. Prior to the sanctions, such exports were allowed on a case-by-case
basis. '
Now they'll have to pay the Israelis to get it for them. Does this count as aid to
Israel?
I am always puzzled to hear that lesbians require artificial insemination. I had a couple
of friends who were a bit behind schedule, and were trying hard to conceive just before the
last eggs would wither. Whatever they were doing, taking days off from work when the
thermometer said so, shoving it at any price, and so on – it could not be described as
pleasurable. So why would the lesbians not bear it if they so much need children?
On a more general note, I am puzzled as to how USSR survived between 1945 and 1989 without
fainting at the thought that Americans would not recognize annexation of the Baltic jokes,
that Russians would not be allowed to use dollars, or that Pokemon Go could be blocked in the
Russian app store. Surely, if you have a population of idiots, like USSR circa 1989, who
would think that it's their ow government blocking the dollar and Pikachu, it may gnaw at the
roots of the state. But today's Russians can guess that with Putin or without him, with
Crimea or without it, they are still seen as enemies of America, and will be treated
accordingly.
Conservatives pilloried the program, which sources said is a gift to an Orthodox Jewish
community that has pressed for government-paid fertility services for 15 years.
Orthodox leaders called the budget measure a "significant victory" for women struggling
to have kids in a community that traditionally values large families.
"This amendment will make it easier for women who would like to have children to do so,"
said Jeff Leb, a top lobbyist for Jewish nonprofits.
Guilty until proven innocent? Don't open that Pandora's box. You're gleefully piling on
the Russians now, but give a few years and the same gang might apply that principle to you in
turn. Just because they hate Russians at this moment doesn't mean they hold any love for the
rest of humanity.
Brunson's captivity had dragged for quite long already, and we heard negotiations for his
release made some progress before. However, Trump ramped up the rhetoric at a precise moment:
when Turkey announced they would not only shirk new Iran sanctions (like they did in the
past) but also were being vocal about this.
Seeing what ensued, again yes the S-400 was an irritant for a while already and certainly
cumulate with other factors but the timeline is interesting. God forbid we conclude those who
should not be named are ultimately setting the agenda here, not really the pastor's plight
under islamist thugs.
On CNN, the establishment alternative academic Robert English hypothesized that elements
in the Russian government might've poisoned the Skripals without Putin's prior knowledge.
He leaves out another possibility, in line with US mass media restrictions. In the UK,
there're Russian ex pats, who quarrel among themselves, in addition to not liking the
Russian government. The poisoning of the Skripals could very well be a matter of trying to
kill two birds (so to speak) in one shot.
Of course we don't know for sure. Likewise, with the bogus suggestion as fact that the
Russian government poisoned the Skripals. Given the ongoing lack of UK government
disclosure on this incident, there's very good reason to doubt the claim against the
Russian government.
As for the Litvinenko matter you bring up, there's good reason to believe that he somehow
got poisoned by a source other than a Russian government act. His Italian friend got arrested
for arms smuggling and was also infected with polonium. Litvinenko was said to be sympathetic
to Chechen separatism. These factors and his links to the likes of Goldfarb and Berezovsky
suggest a source other than the Russian government.
That's wrong, except about the innumeracy of the majority of biologists. Evolutionary
biologists are less innumerate than the rest, and in any event, enough of them are numerate
(like Greg Cochran with a physics PhD).
Evolutionary biologists are less innumerate than the rest, and in any event, enough of
them are numerate (like Greg Cochran with a physics PhD).
Physicists are trained in integrals and analysis, they know nothing about probability
theory, statistics and theoretical computer science. These are the fields required to form a
semblance of a mathematical theory of evolution.
(A theory that will never be formed, because Darwinism violates the very basic theorems of
probability and computation.)
Could you give an example of some probabilities? How do you calculate them and with what
assumptions?
At resent article by Fred Reed the commenter "j2″ produced some numbers but I was
too lazy and not certain that his starting assumptions were correct to verify it.
Physicists are trained in integrals and analysis, they know nothing about probability
theory, statistics and theoretical computer science. These are the fields required to form
a semblance of a mathematical theory of evolution.
Such complete bullshit. Probability and statistics are absolutely key for modern physics
and an education in theoretical physics is definitely the best route to train in the
practical applications, better than going to the mathematics department where they mainly
deal with abstract theory. You clearly know nothing beyond high school level physics (or
anything else for that matter).
Some fields of modern physics like thermodynamics ARE basically just pure probability
theory applied to physical phenomena. If you take a random sample of research physicists from
your local university, they're much more likely to be doing statistical mechanics rather than
trying to find analytical solutions for their n-body problem and some application of
probability is usually the most important field of mathematics for working physicists.
You're right again about the Litvinenko conspiracy, Mickey. The notion that the Russian
government would want to eliminate somebody who had betrayed its secret service, written
books denouncing Vladimir Putin for giving the order to murder the likes of Boris Bereszvsky,
Anna Polikovskaya and others, accused the secret service of being behind the bombings of the
Russian apartment buildings, just doesn't add up or make any sense. The fact that Litvinenko,
while lying on his death bed directly accused Putin for being responsible for his death also
didn't lend any value that it was indeed Putin behind his poisoning. It just goes to show you
the lengths to which the enemies of Russia and Vladimir Putin will go to try and besmearch
Putin's honorable name. But they'll never be able to fool somebody with your veracity and
skillul analysis – keep up the great 'independent foreign analysis'!
Litvinenko was said to be sympathetic to Chechen separatism.
I wasn't aware of this and am glad that you pointed this out. Another incredibly strong
reason not to believe that the Russian government was behind the Litvinenko poisoning. Isn't
it time that you wrote a book, Mickey? I know that other book authors regularly rely on your
input to write their own monographs, isn't it time that you put it all together and shared
more of your thoughts with the world? Perhaps, Karlin might let you write a chapter in his
forthcoming book 'The Dark Lord of the Kremlin'?
Anyone wants to comment on this bizarre diplomatic spat, that Greece and Russia are having?
The abrupt deterioration in relations between Greece and Russia has intensified after
Athens publicly accused Moscow of attempting to bribe state officials and meddle in the
country's internal affairs.
Athens also rejected requests for entry visas from Russian Orthodox clerics heading for
northern Greece's all-male monastic republic of Mount Athos.
The community is alleged to be a "den of spies" , with reports that Moscow has
turned the Holy Mount – widely seen as the spiritual centre of Orthodoxy – into
an intelligence-gathering operation with extensive funding of monasteries across the
peninsula.
Personally, I'm not sure what to make of it. Greece could be trying to secure some debt
relief by manufacturing a pointless row with Russia. Their PM Tsipras did come to Russia in
2015, asking for money. Left with nothing.
Probability and statistics are absolutely key for modern physics and an education in
theoretical physics is definitely the best route to train in the practical applications,
better than going to the mathematics department where they mainly deal with abstract
theory.
Untighten your panties. That was my point, which you managed to miss by blindly charging
to M'Lady Science's defense.
Any scientific theory of evolution will have to be about information entropy,
computational complexity and asymptotic properties of stochastic processes. That's exactly
the "abstract theory" you're deriding.
The practical stuff physicists are using for solving practical, well-defined problems is
useless here.
* Age of the universe is about 10^18 seconds.
* The "Planck time" gives us the smallest possible unit of time, about 10^-45 seconds.
* There are about 10^82 atoms in the Universe.
Now assume an ideal computer. Let each atom of the Universe be a CPU, operating as fast as
physics allows.
That gives us an upper bound of 10^(18+45+82) = 10^145 CPU cycles for computation.
Now take Shakespeare's sonnet #27. It is 458 letters long. (Let's ignore punctuation.)
If we take 458 random letters of the English alphabet, there are 26^458 random
combinations.
So if our ideal Universe-sized computer was randomly picking letters and hoping to compose
a Shakespeare sonnet, it would need about 10^300 Universes to do so.
How much more complex is an E. Coli cell compared to a sonnet?
P.S. This is obvious, freshman-tier stuff unless you're blinded by ideology.
What' s to make of it? The article that you cite clearly explains what the row is all
about:
Moscow announced the move weeks after Athens banned four Russian diplomats after
accusing them of fomenting opposition to a landmark deal between Greece and macedonia,
opening up the possibility of eventual Nato membership for Skopje.
Your own bizarre explanation betrays your own Russian reasoning:
Personally, I'm not sure what to make of it. Greece could be trying to secure some debt
relief by manufacturing a pointless row with Russia. Their PM Tsipras did come to Russia in
2015, asking for money. Left with nothing.
My guess is that the Greek government wants to gain a powerful backer against
Brüssel.
In Greece, he very often appears in public alongside Kammenos and spreads his political
views on what is going on in the country via his Twitter account.
The influence goes so far that Pyatt unchallengedly criticizes the Greek judiciary and
demands measures against anti-American demonstrators. Tsipras administration, arguing
anti-Americanly itself at opposition times, on the other hand, fulfils every wish of the
USA. While on the other side of the Bosphorus NATO partner Turkey is pushing its dispute
with the US to the top, Greece's government is the most US-friendly since the overthrow of
military rule in July 1974: NATO interests, gas pipelines and the regional influence of the
North Atlantic defence alliance.
The coalition government of SYRIZA and the Independent Greeks agreed to the expansion of
American military bases in Greece, including the stationing of nuclear weapons. This was
not initially communicated to the public by the government, but only became known when the
Secretary General of the Communist Party, Dimitris Koutsoubas, criticized it during public
performances.
Secret diplomacy, as in the case of NATO, is also a characteristic of the Tsipras
government in resolving the name dispute with northern Macedonia and in ongoing
negotiations on border corrections with Albania. All negotiations are held in secrecy, with
reference to the protection of state interests. There is no detailed information and no
transparency regarding the reasons for the decision.
Athens is now providing NATO with the infrastructure for military bases in the event
that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan withdraws his country from the North Atlantic
Defence Alliance.
Yes, that's is the infamous Pyatt who was ambassador in Kiev during the Maidan Coup.
He has been in Athen since 2016.
The case brings to the forefront the tension that seems to have been brewing between
Athens and Moscow over the last two years, for reasons that have to do with regional
security.
Yeltsin was president when the bombings happened. Putin was only prime minister for a
couple of weeks before the tower block bombings happened. Boris Bereszvsky killed himself
(exiles are often miserable, Skripal wanted to go back) after Litvinenko, they were a couple
of losers. No, Putin is a proud man, he sent the anti terror police to arrest Gusinsky not
because of investigation into the apartment massacres of hundreds, but because that puppet
show Dolls of Gusinsky's NTV portrayed Putin in a way he hated.
Who wouldn't want to inflict a horrible death on someone who accused them of being a
paedophile? Litvinenko accused Putin of being a child molester and so Putin immediately
issued orders for him to be sadistically murdered and a month he was poisoned (like apartment
bombings, these things take a while to set up).
This brings me back to my point about Hitler & weak, foolish Eastern Europeans. Greek
government is only behaving this way because it sees no risks in antagonising Russians
whatsoever. Slapping sanctions on Greece (by banning tourism for example) might get them
thinking.
Look, I'm not passing judgement on the veracity of these accusations, that Litvinenko made
against Putler. I see that you've added another one to the list, that Litvinenko accused
Putler of being a pedophile too. All I was pointing out was that there were many reasons why
Litvinenko was a target for unfriendly Rusian actions, not like our resident 'Independent
foreign Policy Analyst' Mike Averko who claims:
As for the Litvinenko matter you bring up, there's good reason to believe that he
somehow got poisoned by a source other than a Russian government act.
Of course, he's a professional analytical type that always knows what he's talking
about?
Greece has been a member of NATO since 1952, it joined the European Community in 1981.
It's odd though that a Greek leftist like Tsipras is pro-American, given the strong
anti-American traditions of Greek left-wingers. But Tsipras seems to be an all-around scumbag
anyway.
how deeply Russia falls into China's orbit in the next couple of decades
Russia can start taking China's side on an ad hoc basis, e.g. sending ships to the
disputed sea and hassling US ships and planes. Russia could hassle them on the Northern half
and China on the Southern half, a nice division of labor and multiplication of hassle for the
US Navy.
Russia has enough chicken legs of its own now. They are not washed in chlorine.
Disengagement will simply remove what little influence the US has on Russia. Russia's
exports are utterly dominated by primary production which is entirely fungible. The US
exports little of high added to Russia and the EU and Switzerland, Korea and increasingly
China can replace that. Japan probably won't. Russia has been trying to play a softer game
with Japan but both sides true imperialist nature keeps on re-emerging. Like the US, Japan
has remarkably low levels of trade with Russia given the size of its economy. Switzerland
does a lot of high end complex electromechanical systems, like the Germans. The Germans are
good; The Swiss are perfect.
I'm not really sure how low prices for Turkey can become lower. It's already very
cheap.
Maybe further devaluation can contribute to the tourist market diverging more between
Greece and Turkey. More and more poorer people will go on holiday to Turkey, as it becomes
almost as cheap to go on holiday in Turkey, as it is to stay at home.
Maybe Greece can focus more on middle segment of the tourist market.
Greece had withdrawn from the NATO military structure after the invasion of Cyprus by
fellow member Turkey. If I remember rightly it was their own PM who told Greeks they had to
go back into NATO to be allowed to join the EC.
Any scientific theory of evolution will have to be about information entropy,
computational complexity and asymptotic properties of stochastic processes. That's exactly
the "abstract theory" you're deriding.
Bullshit. I have a pretty good education in probability theory both from the theoretical
physics and mathematics departments so feel free to explain whatever point you think you have
in as technical terms and with as much abstract math as you like.
I'm just going to claim that you're trying an "it doesn't work because of fancy words X,
Y, Z" bluff without any actual technical argument behind the big fancy words. Prove me
wrong.
It will have a negative impact on domestic Russian consumption short term. It's stupid,
short sighted, and hard to reverse. Sanctions work best when used least.
"Age of the universe" is a pop sci concept. In the standard model of cosmology it is
estimated that the universe has developed from a massively dense state to the current state
in roughly 13 billion years. We can backtrack the development over that time with current
theories of physics and then we hit a wall as matter is so dense that we'd need a quantum
theory of gravity to go further back in time but we don't have that. We don't know how long
the universe existed before that, actually we don't even know if time existed in the same
manner. The earliest known state of the universe was NOT informationless (there were
variations in mass distribution etc) so your assumption that patterns would emerge only in
the following 13 billion years is false.
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If you watch some pop sci documentary, they will explain all sorts of stuff about how the
universe was at first some tiny point and there was a big explosion that spread it all over.
This is all nonsense that was made up so that pop sci documentaries could have CGI
graphics.
* The "Planck time" gives us the smallest possible unit of time, about 10^-45
seconds.
There is no such thing as the "smallest possible unit of time". This is complete nonsense.
You seem to get your knowledge of physics from science fiction movies.
There is an expectation that current theories of physics are not accurate at very small
time scales (which have not been reached by experiment). This is not the same thing as
postulating that there is some "smallest possible unit of time". Current theories of physics
simply do not include such a thing.
* There are about 10^82 atoms in the Universe.
We don't even know if the universe is finite or infinite. This is just a claim that you
pulled out of your ass. There may even be an infinite number of atoms.
Turks are a lot more orderly and competent than Greeks. In fact, I was surprised how much
more organized Turks are: we rented a car in Ankara near railway station and returned it in
another city near airport, and they delivered the car where we wanted it and then took it off
my hands, without car rental agency at either point.
For Russians, there are two additional advantages: no visa is required (you just pay $20
at the airport, and they stick what they call "visa" in your passport), and the same services
are cheaper than in Greece.
"Any scientific theory of evolution will have to be about information entropy,
computational complexity and asymptotic properties of stochastic processes. That's exactly
the "abstract theory" you're deriding."
The US went thru a period of noticeable politically motivated violence (in one form or
another), that among other things included the murders of the Kennedy brothers, King, X,
black children in a church, fatal Kent State shootings and the Manson involved murders.
There was absolutely no need for the Russian government to orchestrate the Moscow
apartment bombings. The evidence is non-existent, with the so-called evidence being a
put mildly creative stretch. On par with the idea that the US government sought and was
involved in planning 9/11. Terrorism from Chechnya was a clear reality before the Moscow
apartment bombings.
A disingenuous cherry pick on your part, along with empty calories sarcasm. It wasn't only
his (as has been said) sympathy for Chechen separatism, but a combination of factors, in
conjunction with that aspect.
What I said in full on this matter:
As for the Litvinenko matter you bring up, there's good reason to believe that he
somehow got poisoned by a source other than a Russian government act. His Italian friend
got arrested for arms smuggling and was also infected with polonium. Litvinenko was said to
be sympathetic to Chechen separatism. These factors and his links to the likes of Goldfarb
and Berezovsky suggest a source other than the Russian government.
It's a pity that the good things Macedonia is doing (like fixing its relations with Bulgaria
and Greece and starting to slowly accept the real history as opposed to the shit made up by
the Serbs, the communists and Tito) are all done for such a shitty reason like entering the
EU and NATO.
Greece has an inferior tourist industry and plenty of great European competition (Spain,
Italy, Croatia etc.)
Thanks to Cyprus, you don't even to travel to Greece if you want to be on vacation in a
Greek-speaking country.
Stick to the facts and do not reply back with your monotonous drum of often recited BS
when you don't have a credible reply, Mickey!
I was specifically pointing out the paucity of information that you provided regarding
your alternative suggestion that somebody other than Russian backed was responsible for
Livinenko's demise. As I've already pointed out, I do not pass judgments on any of the
aspersions that Litvinenko made against Putler, only that the smoking gun clearly points
towards Moscow. If you've got something better, then present it I'd try something more clever
than indicating that Litvinenko was in favor of Chechen separatists.
Much unlike your svido trolling ways, which include mis-informative cherry picks,
designed to spin an otherwise faulty impression.
Whoa, what do we have here? Another genuine ' Averkoism '??
You indicate that I ' include mis-informative cherry picks' to spin an otherwise
faulty impression. Why yes, I guess that's what I can be contrued doing. Most
impressions that you make are faulty' ' and deserve to be rebuked, don't you think? I
think that what you meant to say was that:
Much unlike your svido trolling ways, which include mis-informative cherry picks,
designed to spin an otherwise accurate impression.
Mickey, you don't really want to be remembered for making 'faulty impressions ' now
do you?
I have to agree with Mikhail here. I think that Litvinenko affair was like a
dress-rehearsal for the most famous, daring and successful spy operation in history –
the Babchenko affair.
You see, such a stunning operation like that takes years to perfect and for the Ukrainians
Litvinenko was just a guinea pig on whom they tested their secret intelligence (OK,
intelligence might be a stretch) operations skills.
And Litvinenko was an easy choice, the Ukrainians were sure that because of his background
– it will be blamed on the Russians.
Nevertheless, this doesn't take anything away from the professionalism and mastery that
Ukrainians displayed when they designed the Babchenko hoax. I wouldn't be surprised at all if
Babchenko success story launches a new series of spy novels – maybe about agent 008
– where 008 is the IQ of the agent.
My take too rT. Economic warfare will not play out against Russia today as it did against
Japan and Germany in the 1930′s; because while they were energy dependent, Russia has
an abundance of oil and can and will–as you say–bootstrap its own industries inso
far as they are able. They don't have to develop a surplus to trade since, like the USA 100
years ago, their population is sufficiently large to support a robust internal market.
Also, this entire analysis (and the Saker's discussions of weapons as well) ignores
Russia's bigger concern, 1.2 billion Chinese wielding state of the art weaponry, who would
love to bite off some big chunks of a weakened Russia for lebensraum.
You can read statements of their foreign ministry.
His statements to do with paranoia about Russian-Turkey relations – statement from
Greece was claiming Russia is a "comrade in arms with Turkey".
As Russia becomes friendly with Turkey – they will find an excuse to be angry, and
vice-versa.
I feel that this is one of those situations, when you need to read between the lines.
Turkey, religion and "meddling" ARE excuses for Greece. Trying to please Greece's creditors
is the real issue here. It's a literal crackwhore of a nation, living from one tranche to
another.
Also, this entire analysis (and the Saker's discussions of weapons as well) ignores
Russia's bigger concern, 1.2 billion Chinese wielding state of the art weaponry, who would
love to bite off some big chunks of a weakened Russia for lebensraum.
This is implausible, for reasons that have been discussed multiple times here, including
recently.
The idea that the Chinese will move to seize Siberia is a ridiculous fantasy.
China and Russia already in the 1990s peacefully resolved all of their outstanding
border issues.
China suffers from below replacement fertility and solved its food security issues in
the 1980s, so the era of "Yellow Peril" population pressure belongs to the distant past.
And in any case the Russian Far East is useless for agricultural purposes.
There are indeed some minerals in Siberia, but let's review some economic facts about
China:
China can buy all the resources it needs. The main threat to China's economic security
are the naval and air forces of the United States and Japan, and to a lesser extent the US
Treasury and Commerce Departments. Expanding into Siberia does exactly zero to counter any
of these threats, unless you think the Port of Vladivostok somehow enables the PLA-N to
break out into the open Pacific.
Instead it multiplies these threats by pointlessly adding Russia to its enemies and
eliminating the possibility of overland trade substituting for seaborne trade.
China is a security threat to Siberia only once the following are true:
1 – USA abandons Western Pacific in favor of hemispheric security
2 – China secures dominance over Second Island Chain
3 – China replaces USA as lynch pin of global financial (as opposed to just economic)
system
And given China's cautious attitude, that might not be enough. For instance, a USA
focused on hemispheric security would still be viewed as potentially dangerous by China
owing to its blue water navy and dominance of the "Third Island Chain".
If China displaces the USA as the world's preeminent power, then there might be some cause
for concern. But even then I'm not so sure–Russia would be Canada to China's America.
The USA and Canada have had very good relations since the 1930s.
Lebensraum with Chinese Characteristics is not going to happen.
That's not to say everything will be hunky dory in Russian-Chinese relations. There are
areas of friction like:
• Influence in Central Asia
• Chinese IP theft
• North Korea
• Japan
• Near Abroad
• Competition for defense and nuclear exports
The CRAIC CR929 project looks great for now, but the gist of it is that while it's
designed in Russia it will be made in China. Once China matches Russia in aerospace
technology, what is Russia's role in this partnership? Seems like the most likely outcome is
that Russian industry is reduced from producing aircraft to merely being a Tier One supplier
and, perhaps, an engine supplier.
Will Russia be happy with that? I don't know. The UK decided to accept being reduced to
this status after the commercial failure of its innovative but flawed postwar airliners
cheerfully enough I suppose. Japan considered but decided against developing a complete
aerospace-industrial base, though this may be changing (MHI Regional Jet, Kawasaki P1, MHI
X-2 Shinden).
He's a svido troll as evidenced by his ongoing distortions and omissions, which include
not having a good comeback to the following:
As for the Litvinenko matter you bring up, there's good reason to believe that he
somehow got poisoned by a source other than a Russian government act. His Italian friend
got arrested for arms smuggling and was also infected with polonium. Litvinenko was said to
be sympathetic to Chechen separatism. These factors and his links to the likes of Goldfarb
and Berezovsky suggest a source other than the Russian government.
Never mind the impracticality of the Russian government using something like polonium to
bump someone off, when there're effectively cheaper ways of doing such.
So, do you have even one shred of any evidence linking the poisoning of Litvinenko
with the Ukrainian secret service? If not, I wouldn't spend too much time writing your novel
about 008 and Babchenko, unless you intend it for an audience of only one gullible reader,
Michael Averko!
His ' Italian friend '? Were they fishing buddies where somebody got jealous of
their 'friendship' and decided to take the Italian out? Could've been another Russian job
too?
Litvinenko was said to be sympathetic to Chechen separatism.
Now, this is really stupid, I think that even you'll have to admit Mickey. Are we to
believe that because Litvinenko was sympathetic to Chechen separatism, that this somehow made
him impervious to any sort of Russian assault? Please explain this one to me!
Never mind the impracticality of the Russian government using something like polonium to
bump someone off, when there're effectively cheaper ways of doing such.
Well, somebody was responsible for this ill advised murder, and did so in this grotesque
and over the top manner. Why not the Russians, are they somehow smarter than the rest? If
Russia wasn't full of fools, why are they circumvented by the world community with
unnecessary and embarrasing sanctions, anyway? Besides, as I've already pointed out, there
were many reasons why the Kremlin wanted Litvinenko gone.
Well, somebody was responsible for this ill advised murder, and did so in this grotesque
and over the top manner. Why not the Russians, are they somehow smarter than the rest?
Why Litvinenko himself, albeit (if true) in a possible unintended way. No proof that the
Rusisan government did him in. No need to reply anymore to your rehashed trolling tripe.
Still no good answer to:
As for the Litvinenko matter you bring up, there's good reason to believe that he
somehow got poisoned by a source other than a Russian government act. His Italian friend
got arrested for arms smuggling and was also infected with polonium. Litvinenko was said to
be sympathetic to Chechen separatism. These factors and his links to the likes of Goldfarb
and Berezovsky suggest a source other than the Russian government.
Theory that it is to do with creditors, doesn't make much sense.
Creditors (troika) are European fund – mainly Germany, France and Italy, in order.
Followed by IMF and ECB.
Criteria for release of funds is economic criteria, that imply they might one day get
their money back.
Greece's foreign policy is not of interest to anyone much (Turkey care about them),
especially not accountants.
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Reason for tensions with Greece, are the new relations with Turkey.
An alternative world, with a solvent Greece, they would be more angry, than currently
weak, insolvent one – considering sale of S-400 to Turkey, construction of Akkuyu for
Turkey, and recent decision for Turkstream.
Turkstream was always supposed to go to Greece, but two months ago, finally announced it's
going to Bulgaria (with no mention of Greece).
For Turkstream it's now option if it needs to go to Greece at all – it could also
reach Italy, via the Balkans.
In a Northern option that gets to Hungary and Italy over Serbia. (With no need of
Greece).
At the same time, Israel, Cyprus and Greece are probably building a rival pipeline
(probably not very economically rational), after Cyprus has discovered a gas field.
Well orderliness is not the only reason for holiday choice.
And Schengen visa is not a big deal for middle class tourists (35 euros).
Greece already has almost "too many" tourists (from around the world), for size of the
country.
Greece receives 32 million tourists this year (while Turkey receives around 40 million a
year tourism – and is six times larger than Greece in land area).
Perhaps Greece can even raise prices and market more for middle class tourists?
You missed my reply in #143 with plenty of decent replies. I don't mind reprinting them
for you, I know how prone you are to missing information that is contrary to your myopic
belief system:
His 'Italian friend' ? Were they fishing buddies where somebody got jealous of
their 'friendship' and decided to take the Italian out? Could've been another Russian job
too?
Litvinenko was said to be sympathetic to Chechen separatism.
Now, this is really stupid, I think that even you'll have to admit Mickey. Are we to
believe that because Litvinenko was sympathetic to Chechen separatism, that this somehow made
him impervious to any sort of Russian assault? Please explain this one to me!
Never mind the impracticality of the Russian government using something like polonium to
bump someone off, when there're effectively cheaper ways of doing such.
Well, somebody was responsible for this ill advised murder, and did so in this grotesque
and over the top manner. Why not the Russians, are they somehow smarter than the rest? If
Russia wasn't full of fools, why are they circumvented by the world community with
unnecessary and embarrasing sanctions, anyway? Besides, as I've already pointed out, there
were many reasons why the Kremlin wanted Litvinenko gone.
I believe Russia's loss of influence there is inevitable. China has $$$; Turkey/Islamic
world has ethno/religious draw; USA has its hegemonic culture.
Russia has some fading sovok relicts, such as old political ties and the Victory Day
cult.
However, China is displacing it gently, as opposed to batting it away as the US and EU are
wont to do. This naturally makes Russia much better disposed than it otherwise would be.
• Chinese IP theft
Will become less of an issue as China converges with and overtakes Russia in many
technological areas. For instance, the realization that China's MIC is progressing far faster
than expected – without significant Russian tech transfer – has contributed to
Russia dropping its inhibitions on selling the S-400 and advanced fighters to China in recent
years. (An HBD realist could have told them as much, earlier).
• North Korea
• Japan
• Near Abroad
The equitable arrangement would be for Russia to defer to China on North Korea and the Far
East in general (though economic relations with Japan should be broadened), and to require
that China do the same for Russia wrt to its Near Abroad.
But certainly a much more dominant China may no longer feel the need to honor such an
arrangement.
• Competition for defense and nuclear exports
This will certainly be an issue.
Russia's nuclear technology is much further advanced than China's (the gap is much bigger
than the rapidly dwindling one in the military sphere), and it doesn't appear to me that
China is making a major R&D push in that area. I think Russia will continue to dominate
global nuclear tech exports for at least 2-3 more decades.
Russia's current dominance of global nuclear exports is something of a fluke.
The West crippled its nuclear industry owing to pathological atomophobia. Design expertise
didn't atrophy, but construction experience did. Result was massive cost overruns and endless
delays on the few Western Gen III reactor projects. Now effectively priced out of the world
market.
Japan suffered from the double whammy of Fukushima and Toshiba getting dragged down by the
collapse of Westinghouse. Even though it's somewhat unfair, no one will now order Japanese
reactors in the near future. The Japanese elite, once truly impressive in its atomophilia and
determination to resist popular atomophobia, is no longer united on the issue either. Former
Prime Minister Junichiro Koisumi has for instance called for Japan to shut down all nuclear
power plants.
Emerging competitor is South Korea. The Koreans successfully won the project in the United
Arab Emirates, and within South Korea they have an excellent record of efficient
construction. Fortunately for Russia, the very weak President Moon is a disgraceful
atomophobe.
Thanks for your comments. I really wasn't referring to today, more to a tomorrow when
China is the world's leading economy and the USA is struggling to enforce dollar
supremacy.
You are looking at it from a wrong perspective, pal. I was simply expressing pride and
admiration for the competence of the Ukrainian Secret Services. Why can't a fellow –
even though admittedly phony – Slav like me feel proud of the accomplishments of a
Slavic country that I look upon to for inspiration and guidance?
Interesting argument but it hinges on something that is not a part of it, i.e, what is
special about the 458 letter sonnet? Your argument only demonstrates that if another world
began 10^18 seconds ago it most likely would not produce the same 458 letter sonnet but it
would produce some other sonnet which could have a meaning in this different world.
You could create similarly fallacious argument 'proving' that you cannot possibly exist.
Assign probabilities p<<1 of an event that two of your ancestors met and procreated.
What was a chance that your parent met and then go back to grandparents and so on. And soon
you will obtain cumulative probability close to zero stating exactly what? That your life
could not have happened?
I think it is east to be confused and tricked by probabilities. And this happens when we
are sloppy in defining the space of events on which the probability function must be defined.
When you are heating up water at some point there will me one molecule of H2O that will break
free and evaporate. If this molecule asked the Nancy Kerrigan's question "Why me?" and began
calculating the probability of this event soon it would have to conclude the even was
impossible. The problem is with the question "Why me?"
Thanks man, I am really trying. If I may confide in you, you know what I find the most
admiring about the Ukrainians? Your keen sense of democracy.
I mean, it took you what – barely 4 years to figure out that Yanukovych was not
democratic enough – and then boom – revolution. I mean you guys are sharp. Look
at the Russians, they have been electing Putin since 2000 and they still haven't figured out
that he is not democratic enough. You are way ahead of the game.
You know what I think? I think that one good coup is worth at least 5-6 regular elections.
So if you guys were to stage another coup within – let's say the next couple of years
– it's like you've gone through 12 regular elections of 4 years each. You know what
– if I was you I wouldn't even bother with elections, elections are for dummies, just
stick with coups and soon you'll overtake even Western Europe – democracy and economic
development wise, so you won't even need their stinking EU.
As for the Litvinenko matter you bring up, there's good reason to believe that he
somehow got poisoned by a source other than a Russian government act. His Italian friend
got arrested for arms smuggling and was also infected with polonium. Litvinenko was said to
be sympathetic to Chechen separatism. These factors and his links to the likes of Goldfarb
and Berezovsky suggest a source other than the Russian government.
Never mind the impracticality of the Russian government using something like polonium to
bump someone off, when there're effectively cheaper ways of doing such.
I can't help it if you don't know the specifics about Litrvinenko's aforementioned Italian
friend. Stupid people have a way of babbling on because they don't realize just how stupid
they are. Then again, part of you might recognize that, seeing your cowardly anonymous empty
calories insults.
Opposite to your shooting blanks is this precision reply:
Thek ind of Russian-American views not getting propped in US mass media. Similar to the PC
Ukrainian views getting the nod over Ukrainians thinking differently.
You're on the right track, buddy! I don't know why AP tries to continually put you in
place by pointing out that you're not really a Slav, but some sort of Balkanized Turk. Who
cares? Your last two comments indicate that you're capable of evolving your thinking patterns
much higher that the typical 97 or 98. Heck, I'd guess that you're a solid 99! Keep it
up!
Stupid people have a way of babbling on because they don't realize just how stupid they
are.
I see that you're still babbling on Mickey. Isn't it time for you to do a few
rounds of kumbaya in front of your icon of Herr Putler and go to sleep yet?
As La Russophobe imagines it, Averko then sits down in the lotus position, the room lit
by a single candle beneath a large photo of Stalin, and intones his mantra several thousand
times: "I am a journalist I am a journalist I am a journalist " until he falls asleep. When
he wakes up, he heads out to his day job flipping hamburgers at Wendy's
"Now take Shakespeare's sonnet #27. It is 458 letters long. (Let's ignore punctuation.) If
we take 458 random letters of the English alphabet, there are 26^458 random combinations. So
if our ideal Universe-sized computer was randomly picking letters and hoping to compose a
Shakespeare sonnet, it would need about 10^300 Universes to do so."
The above just shows that the author is just completely ignorant of scientific, statistics
and computing principles.
First in English the occurance of letters do not have random frequencies, the frequencies
range from 0.074% for letter z to 12.702% for letter e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency
Incidentally sonnet 27 only has 80 unique words, many of which are not random but closely
related, e.g. blind, old, sight, tired, sightless, see, ghastly, shadow, darkness, expired,
eyelids, drooping, weary, bed, toil, view, night, etc. A task simple enough for markov text
sonnet generators,
I'm just going to claim that you're trying an "it doesn't work because of fancy words X,
Y, Z" bluff without any actual technical argument behind the big fancy words. Prove me
wrong.
What's the "it" in your post, exactly? Darwinism? The problem with Darwinism is
that it's not a scientific theory. It's not even formulated correctly. The problem itself is
framed by biologists in handwavey terms on a "monkeys and typewriters" level.
When one tries putting some sort of numbers to the idea, the whole thing falls apart. See
my post above, for example, where it turns out you need a Universe about 10^300 larger than
ours to make random selection work.
And before you charge to M'Lady Science's defense: note this isn't a "disproof", it's just
a demonstration that nobody bothered to frame the question properly yet. There's nothing
there that can be proved or disproved.
The actual point is that biologists framed a problem in a way that doesn't match the scale
of our Universe as we observe it.
Feel free to correct the numbers I made; maybe the correct factor is 10^100 instead of
10^300. So what? The processes biologists postulate are so asymptotic that they require an
infinite Universe, which doesn't exist in real life.
There is an expectation that current theories of physics are not accurate at very small
time scales (which have not been reached by experiment).
We don't even know if the universe is finite or infinite. This is just a claim that you
pulled out of your ass. There may even be an infinite number of atoms.
Good point, but no. You missed the point again.
Any theory that requires time or space outside of a conventional Newtonian understanding
of physics isn't Darwinism. It wouldn't even be biology, because biologists don't (and can't)
deal with stuff like that.
I never assigned any special meaning to a sonnet. I merely demonstrated that the size of
the probability spaces we're traversing are unimaginable orders of magnitude larger than the
Universe we observe.
Formulating the probability spaces and functions should be step one of any biological
theory of evolution. Only then we can start talking about meanings and other philosophy.
Good point, but unfortunately Markov chains (and evolutionary algorithms) are intelligent
design, not random evolution.
They are tools for getting an answer when you know the result you want, but don't know the
steps to get it. The better you understand the result you want, the faster you arrive at a
solution.
That's a framework postulated by 'intelligent design' proponents, and rejected by
conventional Darwinist biologists.
OK, so what is the big deal about generating random string of 458 letters? Any such string
can be easily generated with the same probability from a bag full of letters. Each string is
equivalent.
Continuing on AKarlin's conclusion how Russia's future economic and foreign policy
orientation lies on the EU's response to the US's inevitable Iran-style sanctions against
Russia, I'll walk through some situations, and also state that once sanctions and adversaries
with unfriendly relations escalate to embargo and enemies with no relations on the US side,
the EU's decision at that point will be able to determine its fate for a long time to come.
1. EU caves in, and like a good vassal state with no independent policy of its own
whatsoever, follows US policy. This is more likely to happen if the US threatens third party
trade ties with Russia. This means that EU imposes Iran-style sanctions, and gradually turns
to more expensive US LNG for energy. This would put the EU under incredible strain, and a
large amount of state coffers would be shaved off due to these purchases; the citizens
disposable income would plunge too. On the other hand, Europe won't really collapse if the US
agrees to subsidize gas sales to the EU in exchange for joining the ideological crusade
against Russia.
In the Kissinger thread where I mentioned how a blackpilled possibility of Russia's future
lies as a vassal state, or junior partner, of China, while I may have exaggerated a little
regarding permanent PLA bases on Russia soil, it still is a slight possibility if the
oligarchs become more powerful again and also get a little desperate. However, PLA bases
aside, if the EU joins in the US on an embargo against Russia, Russia would still be cut off
from trade and other ties to its west, and inevitably having to completely rely on its east
for trade and political ties. Since even Japan/Korea trade can be a little difficult due to
their strong US ties and India doesn't really offer Russia much, except as a place to export
some goods, this leaves us with China, rendering Russia's future as China's largest and most
important vassal state.
This would also enable the EU branch of neoliberalism.txt to show their true colors as an
American vassal. Outside of Poland and the Baltics, attitudes towards Russia vary directly on
how neoliberal they feel, so in order to prevent the people from voting in non-neoliberal
parties, some "checks and balances" aka non-democracy has to be implemented to make sure
neoliberalism.txt stays via "voting". In this case, shave off a good at least 10% to EU's
white percentage in the long run also; while its unlikely for Britain and France to ever dip
below 60% white but stabilize around that point instead, a quasi-neoliberal dictatorship
would mean Eastern and Southern Europe bearing a lot of this brunt, e.g. ghettos in Warsaw
might go from a fear to actual reality. And expect the EU's economic growth to be highly
stagnant, and China, with Russia as not just a friendly state but a vassal state, would take
advantage of this to end up becoming the other pole in a bipolar world along with the US.
Unless China changes the way it conducts trade and foreign policy, this means that Russia
will likely get taken advantage of and not get too much in return, especially with
non-patriotic and greedy oligarchs still having significant power. In this case, Russia-China
relations will resemble a more predatory version of UK/Canada-US relations and Russia will
find itself to be a largely China-oriented, with Chinese tourism, businesses, language, and
other ties etc. having a very broad, visible, and dominating presence.
Chance of this happening? 30% given Europe's rhetoric on Iran. China will gladly take
advantage of the situation.
2. The EU doesn't cave in and continues to maintain trade and political ties with Russia.
This is the better result for not just Russia, but also the entire world. A Europe that's
able to stand up to American foreign policy, especially if its more ideological hysteria than
based on realpolitik in the case with Russia, is one that would have taken its first step
towards significantly reasserting their sovereignties. This would've also been a huge blow to
the American establishment, if not THE nail in the coffin ending American unipolarity. And
China also needs more competitors instead of a bipolar world with just China and America.
2a). Europe continues to be ruled by neoliberalism.txt as America enforces the embargo.
Sanctions won't be lifted and the status quo remains. As China gets more powerful and
European relations still cold, Russia and China will end up in a full-blown alliance, but its
status quo trade and personal ties with Europe would ensure that Russia can continue to
maintain a somewhat multi-vectored approach instead of complete subservience to Beijing. And
Russia won't be as much of a "hot potato" if not embargoed by the EU, ties with countries
like Japan and South Korea will continue unabated if not upgraded. In this case, the EU can
still be a more sovereign entity, albeit just ruled by the neoliberalism.txt ideology;
demographically, slightly better than, but no significant differences from the EU caving to
US embargo case. In this case, Russia-China relations will resemble Japan-US relations,
albeit without the military bases.
Chance of this happening? 40%.
2b). Europe undergoing a right-wing wave as America enforces the embargo. Europe in this
case will lift sanctions against Russia and ties likely even upgrade to a strategic
partnership. While Russia will not become enemies with China since it is in its best interest
to not pick a fight with the world's #1 or #2 power, its relationship will stabilize as
non-adversarial but non-aligned, a renewed strategic partnership with Europe can stimulate
Russia's economy and will ensure a multipolar world emerges in the 21st century, with Russia
as a powerful 3rd or 4th most powerful country on good terms with everybody (minus the US and
parts of Eastern Europe). Such close ties to Russia will also be a boon for Europe's economy,
and the possibility to regain their sovereignties after a century-long occupation post-WW2.
America becomes more isolated and loses its unipolarity in this case.
An unrelated side effect of this tactic is that the nonwhite percentages of Europe will
probably stabilize at or just above or below (in the case of southern Europe) current
values.
In this case, Russia-China relations won't be any special, with close trade relations,
some military cooperation, and neutral détente but inevitable minor beefs that spring
up every once in a while, like a closer and better version US-China relations pre-Trump.
Russia in this case will truly be one of the smaller poles in a multipolar world.
Chance of this happening? 30%, but this is by far the best outcome for the entire
world.
* There are 27 words of one letter and 26 letters.
* There are 635 words of two letters and 676 two-letter combinations.
* There are 4710 words of three letters and 17576 three-letter combinations.
* There are 11169 four-letter words and 456976 four-letter combinations.
* There are 22950 words of five letters and 11 million five-letter combinations.
(Oops.)
* There are 61018 words of 8 letters, but 208 billion 8-letter combinations.
Now, these are words, not texts, but you get the idea. Letter combinations grow as c^n,
while the number of English texts clearly doesn't.
1. EU caves in, and like a good vassal state with no independent policy of its own
whatsoever, follows US policy.
Chance of this happening? 30% given Europe's rhetoric on Iran.
Eh, what? It is not EUropean rhetoric that suggests that, but the gap between their
rhetoric and reality.
Europeans talk about defending JCPOA yet European big business ditches Iran and European
banks stab Iran in the back.
In recent weeks, U.S. and European intelligence agencies flagged a European-Iranian
Trade Bank request to withdraw 300 million euros from the Deutsche Bundesbank. Iran claimed
the cash is necessary so that Iranian citizens can use foreign currency when they travel,
but Western governments warned that the cash would be used to fund Iran's terrorist
proxies.
Fearing repercussions from the U.S. Treasury, the German bank decided last week to
introduce the new rules to prevent the withdrawal. This move was likely coordinated with
the German government.
In recent months, the E.U. has said that it will try to salvage the Iranian nuclear
deal, despite the U.S. withdrawal and renewed sanctions.
Initially, the E.U. explored the possibility of compensating European firms that would
be affected by the new sanctions, using the European Investment Bank.
This effort was torpedoed by the EIB, which said it might be blacklisted by the U.S.
Treasury of it was part of a scheme to offset the sanctions. EIB President Werner Hoyer
said two weeks ago that "doing business in Iran is something that we cannot be actively
engaged in."
So my 3 predictions are essentially, Iran-style western embargo, status quo with embargo
only on US side, and normalization of relations with Europe. How would you recalibrate the
likelihoods?
Theory that it is to do with creditors, doesn't make much sense.
Creditors (troika) are European fund – mainly Germany, France and Italy, in order.
Followed by IMF and ECB.
Criteria for release of funds is economic criteria, that imply they might one day get
their money back.
Greece's foreign policy is not of interest to anyone much (Turkey care about them),
especially not accountants.
You assume that Greece is the rational actor in this situation. It's a stupid crackwhore,
desperate for a bit of debt relief.
It is also fair to say that Western decisions on financial aid are not made by
accountants, ultimately they are made by politicians, who do consider geopolitics.
Surely Greece can see that IMF is dumping billions of dollars into the Ukraine for no
other reason than geopolitics. Ukrainian regime also got a nice debt relief a couple of years
back – to better resist "Russian aggression".
So it comes down to the meaning after all. You look for words that have meaning. But why?
Every word out of 208 billions may have a mining in some other language that you do not know
of. Why you insist that the disproof of evolution or the random Universe must be based on
what has meaning in English language? There are some believers in the intelligent design like
yourself in Pentecostal church who speak all kind of tongues nobody heard of them but to them
they have some meaning. There are patients in psychiatric wards who write 458 letter sonnets
that have meaning only to them. So why did you pick up this particular Shakespeare sonnet to
calculate a number that suppose to prove something?
Do you begin to understand where is the flaw in your argument?
2. To what extent will the EU join in, passively acquiesce to, or resist the US
sanctions against Russia? The answer to this question will to a large extent determine
precisely how deeply Russia falls into China's orbit in the next couple of decades.
This looks like a fine opportunity for the EU to 1) develop its own international
settlements system based on a Euro reserve currency 2) redirect trade and investment towards
the ROW (rest of the world), if necessary, excluding the US 3) become a reliable
non-political trade partner to these countries 4) make a unilateral decision to terminate
NATO and detach itself from US lies, subversion and military adventurism.
The place to start would be the termination of NATO, but it would be better to implement
the policies simultaneously. It would initially be very costly to European corporations, but
ultimately worth it, with new more predictable international relationships.
This is exactly what I meant by my response. Not only will EU's response to the upcoming
US embargo be instrumental in writing Russia's role and development in the 21st century
world, but also if the EU ever wants to transform from a neoliberalism.txt US vassal
experiment to either an independent "Great Power" quasi-federation (essentially USSR 2.0
after the revolutionary phase died down, Communism replaced by neoliberalism.txt), or to
break up as wholly sovereign states, a continuation if not strengthening of relations with
Russia will be a pivotal first step for that to happen.
There is no reason to look at any further steps in your calculations when you begin with
false premises.
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Again, you are under the false impression that the universe "began" 13 billion years ago
as some informationless entity and that all patterns and complexity emerged after it. No. The
earliest known state of the universe had patterns and complexity. Even if you somehow managed
to argue that the complexity of life on earth is too high to emerge in 13 billion years, it
would still be of no consequence to Darwinism since we don't need it to emerge in that time
– 13 billion years ago is not some patternless zero state of complexity.
In fact, for all we know the emergence of life on earth could have already been determined
in the earlier state of the universe 13 billion years ago. That's implausible to me but a lot
of people believe in an intelligent creator and you can easily just postulate that he baked
the emergence of man in the design of the early universe and then you're in no contradiction
with modern science whatsoever.
Where did the patterns and complexity in the early universe come from? We don't know since
the current theories of physics can't probe that far. In fact, as I said before, the whole
"age of the universe" thing is a false notion that unfortunately some physicists peddle as a
simplification of cosmology. What we can do is trace back the development of the universe
from this point in time and we can go back 13 billion years and conclude that the universe
back then was a very different place, in a very dense state that gradually "expanded" into
the current one.
However in this process we run into a dead end as to study such dense states we'd need to
make the theories of gravity and quantum mechanics work together and we can't do that
currently. Hence, everything "earlier" than that is pure speculation, in fact we don't even
know for sure whether there was a "before". This state beyond current theories has been
dubbed the "big bang", "the beginning" and such but that's all just popularization. This has
the unfortunate side effect that some people now believe physics to somehow have proven that
the universe emerged from "nothing" 13 billion years ago and that's just not true.
And an "understanding of time and space outside of a conventional Newtonian understanding
of physics" is definitely required for cosmology like claims that "universe is X seconds
old". You are the one who began with assumptions that require physics well beyond Newtonian
mechanics.
Most likely is "status quo with embargo only on US side" with limited shift towards
"Iran-style western embargo". EUropean elites do not show much willingness to oppose
Russophobia, but on the other hand Russia is much more integrated in the EU economy than the
Iran.
For instance, the value of the trade in 2017 between Russia and Germany was 57,3 billion
Euro (rank 14th), the number for the Iran-Germany trade was only 3,4 billion Euro (rank
58th).
From 2009 to 2011, Syria supplied almost a fifth of EU imports of phosphate, but those
sales collapsed during the war.
Official EU import data shows that phosphate shipments to Europe -- heading almost
exclusively to Greece -- are resuming and more than tripled between December 2017 to April
2018. The volumes remain small compared to the pre-war heyday, but Syria is making a clear
push to return to the EU market and its giant farm sector.
Syrian data show that total phosphate exports were more than $200 million in 2010.
Three people either working in the phosphate industry or involved with trading the
commodity said Syria is able to export again because Russian investors have resurrected the
Palmyra mines, which Islamic State militia captured in 2015. Assad awarded these reserves
to the Russians last year after Moscow helped him turn the tide against ISIS.
No, it actually doesn't. The probabilities grow as c^n, while the Universe doesn't. No
matter how big it is, it's still a fixed size due to the laws of conservation of mass and
energy.
Every word out of 208 billions may have a mining in some other language that you do not
know of.
Even if every atom in the observable Universe had its own language, the number of possible
letter combinations would still be vastly bigger.
Why you insist that the disproof of evolution or the random Universe must be based on
what has meaning in English language?
I'm not "disproving" anything. I'm demonstrating that the "monkeys and typewriters"
argument used by biologists (and its variants "the universe is really big" and "the Earth is
really old" arguments) violate basic mathematical logic.
The Universe isn't really big. In fact, it is infinitesimal compared to the
probabilities we're dealing with here.
Once biologists acknowledge this obvious fact, then we can formulate some sort of
theory, and maybe then there will be something to prove or disprove.
Do you begin to understand where is the flaw in your argument
Do you? The point is that we're traversing probability spaces here that grow
exponentially, and yet nothing in nature can be exponential indefinitely. Somewhere in your
assumptions is a grave error.
What do you mean uncritically? I think that the citation is very critical of you.
If you're looking for something even more critical, just let me know?
Again, you are under the false impression that the universe "began" 13 billion years ago
as some informationless entity and that all patterns and complexity emerged after it. No.
The earliest known state of the universe had patterns and complexity.
Very good point, and one I agree with. However, this is a variant of the Intelligent
Design hypothesis, and is considered to be pseudoscience by biologists.
Like I said, I'm not "disproving" anything, merely pointing out that the way Darwinian
evolution is framed by biologists is not science.
Maybe it can be reformulated in a way that makes sense, but don't hold your breath -- the
biologists don't even understand the objections and fall back to the "Earth is, like, really
old" argument.
And an "understanding of time and space outside of a conventional Newtonian
understanding of physics" is definitely required for cosmology like claims that "universe
is X seconds old".
Again, the actual figure is irrelevant. The point is that we've posited an exponentially
exploding probability space, and yet nothing in nature is infinite and exponential. (I know
about the cosmology arguments about the finite/infinite universe, spare me. In any case, the
observable Universe is definitely finite, and science only deals with the observable.)
Now that Syria has all but won the war, I wonder when will rebuilding and eventually
re-emerging as a stable country good enough for FDI and tourism will start. By then, I also
wonder how it will be sanctioned.
My guess is that it will rebuild under Iran-style conditions back to more or less where it
was in the early 2000s politically, economically, socially, and sanctions-wise starting
around 2020 or so.
"For instance, banning Aeroflot from flying to the US has a simple response – banning
US air carriers from overflying North Eurasia, period. It can resurrect a bill – first
raised this May, since sunken in the legislature – to impose fines and prison time on
individuals and entities who support Western sanctions by refusing to do business with
Russian citizens or entities on America's SDN list. It can throw out the American-dominated
copyrights regimen out of the window."
As an American, I think Russia should do this and for good reason: the people who run this
country are idiots; if this is allowed to stand, they'll continue to push this until we get a
war. Best to head it off now by making the US Ruling Class pay the price. I especially like
the last part. Russia should just host all Hollywood movies, books, and video games on a
server accessible to American pirates (hey, Red States won't have problem with this these
scum just voted to remove Trump's star on the walk of fame anyway).
"This looks like a fine opportunity for the EU to make a unilateral decision to terminate
NATO and detach itself from US lies, subversion and military adventurism."
Not going to happen for a variety of reasons. NATO is a good way to keep an incompetent,
belligerent U.S. bogged down so that it doesn't cause any serious trouble for advanced
nations. Take Germany for instance. The number of US troops there is quite small in an
absolute sense, not enough to cause trouble, but combined with troops all over the place, the
all-volunteer US military can't really marshall the numbers necessary to invade anyone
without support from Europe. NATO is actually a clever way to control the aggressive
tendencies of the United States; without it, there is no telling what the U.S. could do.
Europe also gets high-tech weapon systems in the process – and sold at a premium
considering the enormous R&D costs involved. That's why German industrialists were stupid
to provoke Trump and go around telling Europeans to not buy American weapons (those weapons
are in some cases FAR superior to what the Europeans have and someone is definitely going to
buy them considering the cost spent to develop them, either you or a potential enemy so it
might as well be you). In all, it's good deal for them. They aren't going to chunk that for
anything.
The real key here is for Russia to strike back in a way that doesn't galvanize the
American public against them. My suggestion: cancel all American copyright protections and
start hosting American movies and television programs. Conservative republicans won't oppose
this as these programs are made in Trump-hating California – a place that just voted to
remove Trump's star on the walk of fame.
In fact, his "conservative" predecessor Samaras was more pro-German than pro-American.
Tsipras is pro-American. He is leftist like Tony Blair is leftist.
But unless they find a way to somehow stop Russia's exports of oil, our economy will
shrug off whatever sanction packages US can throw at it.
It still makes Russia look pathetically weak. The U.S. actions are essentially an act of
war. If Russia just rolls over allows itself to get kicked then the U.S. is just going to
keep on kicking. Cowardice is rarely a good policy.
the F-35. The one which even Americans were criticising.
I bought into much of the criticism, and probably a somewhat better plane could've been
made cheaper, but all in all I think it'll be a fine enough weapon, and probably better than
any currently deployed Russian fighters. The Su-57 is not yet ready (and it's recently got
questioned if it ever will), so you cannot meaningfully compare it to it.
Altogether if you want the very best fighter jet available in the market, then you should
choose it, unless the costs are prohibitive for you. It's actually no longer much more
expensive than 4+ generation planes. I think Boeing is trying to market the F-15X, which
would be a newly produced version of the F-15 with all possible technologies (except stealth
which is impossible for this frame), and it's not going to be meaningfully cheaper than the
latest (and cheapest) F-35.
If buying Russian is politically possible for you, then the Su-35 might be a good cheaper
alternative, though countries which are allowed to buy it are usually not sold the F-35.
Maybe India (and perhaps soon Turkey?) is the only country where both could even be
considered.
If the Su-57 were ready, then maybe we could talk about whether it was better than the
F-35 (the answer would probably depend on a number of issues, e.g. the rest of the equipment
used by the military in question, and of course politics, which is to say, if there was a
chance of a political conflict with the supplier, because if yes, then obviously you'd need
to buy from the other).
For most (but not all) roles the F-35 is at least as good as any other American fighter
jet (except maybe the F-22, and maybe not even that).
Maybe that's why Israel uses its own software? (At least they rewrote part of the
software, or so I read.)
Anyway, I don't think it's a bad fighter jet for the job of fighting America's enemies.
Probably even against neutrals. It might be useless against America's friends, or America
itself, but no one buys it for that. And actually it's probably useful against America, too,
or else why is the US so reluctant to sell it to Turkey?
And probably the American idea that the Russians might use their S-400 to spy on other
Turkish weapon systems (including the F-35), when in fact it's the Americans who use weapons
they sell to do that. The Russians are probably too afraid to lose their reputations.
F-35 has inferior kinematic performance to most, if not all, of the Generation 4 fighters
it's supposed to replace or oppose. Lack of a bubble canopy is also a major step backwards.
Quite a dubious distinction for a new aircraft.
That leaves its stealth and its supposedly wiz-bang sensors.
Stealth is nice, but it drives up operating costs and reduces sortie rates. And on a small
aircraft, you can't carry large war loads without sacrificing your stealth. F-35 stealth is
in the frontal area only, optimized for the X-band. It will be easily detected by long
wavelength radars. In air to air combat it would rely upon detecting intercepting aircraft
and firing AMRAAMs before they can lock on or, heaven forbid, close to visual range (where
the F-35 will be dogmeat).
The Air Force has long said that the F-35 isn't optimized for air combat. I suppose the
idea was that F-22s and legacy fighters would handle air superiority missions. F-35s, with
frontal stealth, would be able to get close to targets and attack them with PGMs.
As for its allegedly wonderful sensors, I am skeptical. Lots of air forces continuously
modernize old designs with AESA radars, glass cockpits, etc. Why exactly is a new airframe
needed for any of this?
That said it's not like the F-35 is awful , and as usual pilot skill and other
factors can overcome inappropriate technology.
The F-35 also now costs less to buy than the Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale, which is an
important advantage. Gripen is much cheaper, but Sweden has no geopolitical clout and has a
very bad habit of finding moralistic reasons not to export armaments.
If you have to buy from Western suppliers, a mix of F-15X and Gripen NGs seems ideal. If
you can't afford two classes of fighter, the Rafale is a very good compromise. France is also
a reliable supplier. Worst choice is the Super Hornet. The F-16, while now quite an old
design, is still a very capable aircraft at a reasonable price as well.
Japan now has a stealth fighter technology demonstrator in the MHI X-2 Shinden. They
somehow built it, including with indigenous turbofans, for $360m. The airframe is very
interesting in that it's built of new materials which eliminate the need for RAM, which
should keep operating costs down and increase sortie rates. But this is only a technology
demonstrator at this time, probably as proof-of-concept for the new materials and an
indigenous low-bypass afterburning turbofan engine.
As for the Su-57, it's somewhat like the F-35 in its limited stealth. But it's also like
the Su-27 family in having superb kinematic performance. Russia's official reason for
delaying entry into service is that the Su-35 is adequate for existing threats, which is
probably true.
Who knows what the real reason is. Budgetary pressures perhaps? Russia wants to double
capital spending in rouble terms in 2024, and to do so without increasing debt. At the same
time it's continuing its import substitution efforts, and there are no moves to soaking the
rich. So the money has to come from somewhere, and presumably that makes mass production of
the Su-57 and T-14 Armata less attractive.
And actually it's probably useful against America, too, or else why is the US so
reluctant to sell it to Turkey?
>study F-35 and its data
> get better at detecting/fighting F-35
It is probably one of the main reasons why the RoC (Taiwan) won't get this jet despite
needing more than most. The risk that pro-PRC agents would have access to the F-35 is not
small.
I agree. However, let's not forget that Russia and USA have very different weight and role
in the international economy. USA effectively owns the system of international finance. That
is to say "international finance" is but an extention of US financial system. They can
exclude Russia, we can't exclude them (from the system they created and own).
If Russia is going to impose meaningful costs on the US, I think it can only be done
through non-economic means. Realistically, what action Russia could take that would
potentially match the disruptive power of American sanctions on Russia? Arm the Central
American drug cartels?
Using your own software is common for technologically advanced powers concerned about
their sovereignty and their own military-industrial capabilities. Japan for instance (after
being bullied out of building its own indigenous fighter in the 80s) built its own upgraded
version of the F-16 which, among other things, included Japanese software. Like Israel, Japan
also fields its own air-to-air missiles which on paper are in the first rank.
The UK took a different route of becoming a Level 1 Partner on the F-35 program, so they
received privileged access to the source code which is not available to other powers.
The F-35 is not very useful for fighting Russia or China, but fine for fighting most
anyone else. It actually could have some utility against America since America lags Russia
and China in low-frequency radar and infrared search and track, but probably the real
reluctance is safeguarding technology. In particular materials (e.g. the new RAM panels
instead of finicky coatings) and the engines.
Sun Tzu say avoid combat with superior force, bide time and wait till you are stronger. Of
course doesn't take Sun Tzu to work that out, even if he did say it.
IMF funded by a lot of countries though – Russia now one of the top ten important
creditors and more influential owners of the IMF (although it's proportion of ownership is
still multiples times smaller compared to US).
Russia is 8th largest shareholder of the IMF (out of 189 countries). US is largest
share-holder, and then Japan and China.
Decisions are based on member voting which is based on share in the organization, so
Russia has 8th largest vote in IMF, but behind USA, Japan, China, etc.
Part of the Greek debt is owned by Russia through the IMF, probably relative to Russian
ownership of IMF and the debt relief packages partly also funded from Russian loans.
Fortunately, IMF ownership of Greek debt is several times smaller than the eurozone
countries. But Russia's government share of Greece debt will probably be some billions of
dollars. That's how Greece can basically continue receiving money – so many countries
are owed money on their debt.
Thanks man, that's what I have been craving all my life – an approval from a
Ukrainian hick. You keep it up too buddy, your encouragement means the world to me.
VAT is not a "non-issue". When you raise from 18% to 20%, then you are taking
significantly more money from the whole population (including poor people) who want to buy
things in private sector, and transferring this money to state sector, where not all extra
money (to be "polite") is going to be used "wisely".
At the same time, a problem now is to have up to 50% of the federal budget from oil/gas
revenues – which is a volatile priced resource.
So it's typical dilemma with neither option looking good.
Of course, the solution to both, is to reduce unnecessary government expenditure, which
continues to grow all the time in many useless areas, to the extent that you can see
expressed in even unhidden ways of the luxurious buildings being constructed for all kinds of
different government offices who could really do their job just as well (or incompetently) in
a warehouse or a polyester and nylon tent.
You uncritically referenced an anonymous, lying coward (not too much different from
yourself BTW), who ducked a live one hours BBC World Service radio panel discussion, much
unlike the person who you've an obsession with.
Increasing taxation reduces private consumption, but I'm skeptical that it creates a
long-term output gap (short term is a different matter). The OECD has prosperous economies
with taxation at a share of GDP ranging from about one-third to three-fifths. Such a wide
divergence suggests that high taxes and prosperity are not incompatible. Money spent by the
state is still spent, and even if it's spent dubiously it continues to circulate.
Russia's official economic plan (besides import substitution) is to increase capital
spending. It intends to do with while retaining fiscal discipline and limiting offshore
borrowing. If you are unable or unwilling to borrow to finance investment, you must suppress
consumption.
Suppressing consumption to finance investment has a track record of success in East Asia
and for that matter Russia itself (~1928-1970).
The intent is to increase capital spending from one-fifth of GDP to one-quarter. A
reasonable goal.
The real issue here of course is that the intent is for this increase in investment to
come from the state and state-controlled companies, whose track records are dubious.
Still, perhaps something good could be done. Russia's nuclear industry is one bright spot,
and shifting to a more nuclear power mix would allow for more hydrocarbon exports and improve
public health. Russia is a growing agricultural exporter, and somehow I doubt Russia has the
ubiquitous farm roads like we have here in the American Midwest.
Perhaps it would be wiser to reduce Rouble borrowing costs for the business sector by
suppressing consumer credit and promoting higher household savings. Household savings rate in
Russia is only 8%. China is 38%.
"F-35 has inferior kinematic performance to most, if not all, of the Generation 4 fighters
it's supposed to replace or oppose. Lack of a bubble canopy is also a major step backwards.
Quite a dubious distinction for a new aircraft."
The F-35 will have an over-the-horizon A2A capability that will result in virtually any
other aircraft being annihilated long before it closes distance on it. The bubble canopy is
really only useful in dogfights; the F-35, scheduled to be built by the thousands, likely
won't get into one-on-one engagements without serious air support. The bubble canopy reduces
stealth, so it was removed. That was the right decision.
"That leaves its stealth and its supposedly wiz-bang sensors."
Its sensors have already been tested against the F-22 – a proven aircraft –
and are almost certainly far and away superior to anything fielded by the Russians. There is
no "supposedly" here as the US has already built aircraft with similarly impressive sensor
suites. There is no reason to believe the F-35′s sensors won't be just as good, and
probably far superior, to what it has already been able to produce. Any belief to the
contrary is wishful thinking.
"Stealth is nice, but it drives up operating costs and reduces sortie rates."
The US can easily afford it.
"And on a small aircraft, you can't carry large war loads without sacrificing your
stealth."
Doesn't matter. The F-35 will be operating with many other F-35s. Combined, it will be a
formidable foe.
"F-35 stealth is in the frontal area only, optimized for the X-band."
No, it's not. The F-35 is simply more stealthy frontal but still stealthy over all.
Further, X-band is the frequency required for a weapons lock. All stealth aircraft are
specialized for this radar band.
"It will be easily detected by long wavelength radars."
Radars not capable of generating a weapon's grade lock, so they're useless in combat.
Further, long wavelength radars – weather radars, basically – can already detect
stealth aircraft; that's always been true. Didn't do Iraq any good back in the 90s.
"In air to air combat it would rely upon detecting intercepting aircraft and firing
AMRAAMs before they can lock on or, heaven forbid, close to visual range (where the F-35 will
be dogmeat)."
Which they will do very effectively. 100 F-35s vs. 100 Russian Su-27s, both closing on
each other = 100 piles of wreckage and 100 F-35s.
"The Air Force has long said that the F-35 isn't optimized for air combat. I suppose the
idea was that F-22s and legacy fighters would handle air superiority missions. F-35s, with
frontal stealth, would be able to get close to targets and attack them with PGMs."
F-35 + F-22 is a potent combination. Even a squadron of F-35s alone would crush anything
the Russians have. If necessary, the air force will likely just dogpile a large number of
F-35s to make up for any perceived weakness. Considering the numbers scheduled to be
produced, that should work fine.
"As for its allegedly wonderful sensors, I am skeptical."
You have no reason to be skeptical. The US has continually fielded next generation weapons
that have worked quite well in combat. There is no reason to believe this will be any
different. Further, your qualifications seem to be essentially nill in this area as you have
displayed very limited knowledge of the subject. Your skepticism doesn't seem to be based on
anything concrete, just wishful thinking.
"Lots of air forces continuously modernize old designs with AESA radars, glass cockpits,
etc. Why exactly is a new airframe needed for any of this?"
This one statement qualifies you as an amateur that should be ignored.
"That said it's not like the F-35 is awful, and as usual pilot skill and other factors can
overcome inappropriate technology."
The technology on the F-35 will crush its competition.
"If you have to buy from Western suppliers, a mix of F-15X and Gripen NGs seems ideal. If
you can't afford two classes of fighter, the Rafale is a very good compromise."
Sure, if you're poor and want to lose against countries fielding 5th generation fighter
aircraft.
"As for the Su-57, it's somewhat like the F-35 in its limited stealth. But it's also like
the Su-27 family in having superb kinematic performance."
Having superb kinematic performance doesn't count for much if your opponent is flying in
an aircraft that can shoot you down long before you close to within visual range.
"Russia's official reason for delaying entry into service is that the Su-35 is adequate
for existing threats, which is probably true."
Russia is delaying because 1. they can't afford to buy the aircraft 2. they are having
trouble constructing the aircraft as designed and in the quantity required 3. it probably
isn't as good as the F-35 anyway, so they don't see a point in building it.
The F-35 is for transferring US technology to Israel
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/israels-air-force-might-have-the-ultimate-weapon-custom-25983
Lockheed-Martin has mostly refused to allow major country-specific modifications to the
F-35, despite the hundreds of millions of dollars foreign F-35 operators contributed to the
aircraft's development. Israel, however, managed to carve out an exception. Though not an
investor in the F-35's development, Tel Aviv was nonetheless quick to sign on to the
program with an initial order of fifty. It also negotiated a favorable deal in which
billions of dollars worth of F-35 wings and sophisticated helmet sets would be manufactured
in Israel, paid for with U.S. military aid. Furthermore, depot-level maintenance will occur
in a facility operated by Israeli Aeronautics Industries rather than at a Lockheed facility
abroad.
The Lightning's sophisticated flight computer and ground-based logistics system has
become a matter of contention with many F-35 operators. Foreign air forces would like to
have greater access to the F-35's computer source codes to upgrade and modify them as they
see fit without needing to involve external parties -- but Lockheed doesn't want to hand
over full access for both commercial and security-based reasons. Israeli F-35Is uniquely
will have an overriding Israeli-built C4 program that runs "on top" of Lockheed's operating
system.
"Right, which is why Denmark bought the F-35. The one which even Americans were criticising.
Buying American weaponry is often a combination of tribute, corruption and paying protection
money."
Please. They bought the F-35 because it is the best aircraft they could get, and they
don't trust the Russians. If they wanted to offer tribute, they'd just write a check and buy
another aircraft.
Further, much of the so-called criticism of the F-35 came from non-experts in the subject
or older guys who worked with the now-outdated F-14. The F-35 has made enough progress for me
to believe that it will likely crush anything the Russians have now or in the future. Even if
the Russians could build the Su-57, the F-35 would still win in most contests because 1. its
sensor suite and over the horizon A2A capability + electronic warfare capability will be
appreciably superior 2. it will be built in far larger numbers.
"The F-35 is not very useful for fighting Russia or China, but fine for fighting most
anyone else."
The F-35 will be quite effective against any aircraft those countries currently field. Any
belief to the contrary is either ignorance or delusion. The US isn't spending a trillion
dollars on this thing to fight Trinidad and Tobago.
The F-35 will have an over-the-horizon A2A capability that will result in virtually any
other aircraft being annihilated long before it closes distance on it. The bubble canopy is
really only useful in dogfights; the F-35, scheduled to be built by the thousands, likely
won't get into one-on-one engagements without serious air support. The bubble canopy
reduces stealth, so it was removed. That was the right decision.
"Over-the-horizon A2A capability" has existed for half a century. Previously structuring
our airpower around this concept resulted in high losses in Vietnam.
The real reason for the bubble canopy's elimination (note that the stealthier F-22 and
YF-23 both have bubble canopies) is the ridiculous insistence on the same platform being used
for a STOVL aircraft with a lift fan placed right in the middle of the fuselage.
If your goal is to maximize stealth and only fight BVR engagements, the F-35′s
design is entirely inappropriate. After all, its stealth is in the front area only and it
can't carry a large missile load.
Optimizing exclusively for BVR combat would entail a large tailless aircraft (perhaps a
flying wing) with all-aspect stealth, large internal volumes of missiles, and far more
powerful radar.
The F-35′s design is based on political and economic considerations, not military
ones.
Its sensors have already been tested against the F-22 – a proven aircraft –
and are almost certainly far and away superior to anything fielded by the Russians. There
is no "supposedly" here as the US has already built aircraft with similarly impressive
sensor suites. There is no reason to believe the F-35′s sensors won't be just as
good, and probably far superior, to what it has already been able to produce. Any belief to
the contrary is wishful thinking.
I have no doubt in the capability to produce and field top-class avionics. What I do doubt
is the idea that we produce (and always will produce) superior avionics to anyone else.
Europe, Russia, China, Japan, and even tiny Israel all produce AESA radars. The US lagged
Russia (and Europe) in IRST for decades. The US is far behind on low-frequency radar.
The US can easily afford it.
You'll note that this was originally about F-35 exports . A solution with high
operating costs and low sortie rates is problematic for anyone, but especially undesirable
for a small power.
Radars not capable of generating a weapon's grade lock, so they're useless in combat.
Further, long wavelength radars – weather radars, basically – can already
detect stealth aircraft; that's always been true. Didn't do Iraq any good back in the
90s.
Detection is not useless. It allows you to vector interceptors until they get close enough
for a radar lock or can identify the target with IRST or visual tracking.
Incompetent Arabalonians. Norman Scwhartzkopf stated that if you'd reversed the weapons on
each side but kept the personnel and training the same, the Allied coalition would've still
handily won. Serbia incidentally did successfully shoot down an F-117, which largely owed
itself to the skill of the operator in question and poor tactics on the part of NATO.
Which they will do very effectively. 100 F-35s vs. 100 Russian Su-27s, both closing on
each other = 100 piles of wreckage and 100 F-35s.
The RAND Corporation disagreed and projected one Su-35 lost for each 2.4 F-35s.
F-35 + F-22 is a potent combination. Even a squadron of F-35s alone would crush anything
the Russians have. If necessary, the air force will likely just dogpile a large number of
F-35s to make up for any perceived weakness. Considering the numbers scheduled to be
produced, that should work fine.
F-22 production capped at 187 units, and none were exported to other countries (despite
persistent requests from Japan).
You have no reason to be skeptical. The US has continually fielded next generation
weapons that have worked quite well in combat. There is no reason to believe this will be
any different. Further, your qualifications seem to be essentially nill in this area as you
have displayed very limited knowledge of the subject. Your skepticism doesn't seem to be
based on anything concrete, just wishful thinking.
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This one statement qualifies you as an amateur that should be ignored.
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The technology on the F-35 will crush its competition.
This is what is known as projection. Identifying in others the sins that you yourself are
guilty of.
Sure, if you're poor and want to lose against countries fielding 5th generation fighter
aircraft.
Many countries are poor. Others are small or have limited defense budgets. Though I
contend thee aircraft in question are in fact superior to the F-35 which makes this moot.
Having superb kinematic performance doesn't count for much if your opponent is flying in
an aircraft that can shoot you down long before you close to within visual range.
Superb kinematic performance enables earlier missile shots, makes it easier to defeat
incoming missile shots, allows for faster transit in and out of combat zones, and gives a
decisive edge in WVR combat.
The F-35 program developed a first-class powerplant and avionics, but then mated then to
an inferior airframe in order to fulfill a commonality fantasy driven by a silly Marine Corps
STOVL requirement.
The Kremlin would have killed the organ grinder (Boris Abramovich Berezovsky) not the
monkey. Litvinenko virtually committed suicide. People become depressed when they are
exiles.. Litvinenko publicly accused Putin of the apartment bombings by Chechens that killed
hundreds of Russians so he must have had some inkling that Putin could be dangerous.
If you publicly call someone a child molester they will at least fantasize about killing
you, and if they have the means and opportunity then it is not the biggest surprise in the
world if you give them the motive and you are killed by a method that is as good as a signed
confession they did it. Putin wanted Litvinenko to know who had put an end to him.
That was the whole point of using alpha radiation; nice and slow all the while knowing who
did it. Putin is very like another famous Vlad.
If you publicly call someone a child molester they will at least fantasize about killing
you
I have fantasized about killing people who had seriously harmed me or the public. But I
have never fantasized about killing a clown, nor can I ever imagine fantasizing about it. I
cannot imagine anyone who is not a psychopath fantasizing about killing a clown. By accusing
Putin of the house explosions and converting to Islam etc. Litvinenko totally jumped the
shark. He was a clown, a tool used by others.
Now it's not impossible that Putin nevertheless wanted to murder Litvinenko, but you have
just assumed how Putin would think and then proceeded to jump to a conclusion based on that
assumption.
Litvinenko was a poor devil, incapable of harming Putin. If anyone harmed Putin, it's
Berezovsky or the western media which gave a platform to poor devils like Litvinenko. Do you
think Putin is so stupid that he hates the tools instead of the powerful people wielding
them?
That is pretty incredible, however, because of your reputation perhaps she was
afraid of some sort of retribution for being critical of you? I notice that you often like to
taunt me on by calling me a 'coward' for using a moniker instead of presenting you with my
true identity. Whether deserved or not, many feel that you're some sort of a Kremlin
Stooge nutcase, Mickey. From Srebrenica Genocide Denier to this:
friend of mike averko | April 12, 2010 at 4:17 pm | Reply
I have known mike averko for a very long time and wish to warn all of you who feel safe
mocking him and his rants this is not someone you want to get angry . HE IS
INSANE!!! I have seen how this man lives and it is not that of a healthy person, it is
that of someone insane. Make your comments but don't ever let this man into yuour life in
any way or you will end up being sorry.
This is why I choose to shield my true identity from you, Mickey. Who needs any grief from
a Kremlin Stooge wacko?
The machine that draws the numbers for a lottery manages to pick 7 winning numbers every
week. It never fails to pick the winning numbers. Is this an amazing feat? The numbers it
picks are the winning numbers while millions of lottery players have great difficulty to pick
the winning numbers and spend millions of dollar on it while the cost to the machine is just
few bucks.
Shakespeare picked 458 'winning' letters but if you would try to reproduce them in the
same sequence by random selections it becomes probabilistically impossible task.
Finding a winning sonnet by Shakespeare for the Universe was not a probabilistic feat just
as it is not for the lottery machine to pick the winning numbers. It all comes down to the
meaning and when that meaning is assigned. You assigned a special meaning to this particular
sequence of 458 letters just like lottery players assign special meaning to 7 numbers picked
by a machine.
Although you show a lot of promise, unfortunately there are still a few rough edges. Don't
concentrate so much on your less than honorable pedigree, but work on improving your
emotional dilemmas. AP is a medical doctor, and has diagnosed some of your ailments. Listen
to him, for he's a pure blood Slav. And you know how great the Slavic race is. (I know that
you can overcome!).
On the subject of of agriculture, it should be noted that Rostelmash has done ok for a big
sovok behemoth and has had at least some success exporting west. It's combines are
competitive with the American makes but not Claas, they've also been able to buy up
varsatile. This is quite surprising given the fact that rostov has a reputation for being a
rough and corrupt place. Ak, any thoughts?
You make it sound like being a Slav is like being a member of an exclusive club. How
exclusive can it be if you – the Ukrainians are in it? I would say that that is setting
the standards pretty low. Don't worry about my "emotional" dilemmas. I am happy with who I
am, which can't be said about you people. You seem quite torn between your Western European
heritage and your humble Slavic origin that gets in the way of being recognized as one of the
nations that are pillars of western civilization which everybody agrees that you are.
USSR engaged in intensive agricultural motorization earlier than any country other than
the USA and Canada. It was also fairly early to intensive chemicalization, mainly beaten out
by Germany and America.
In the postwar period the share of capital investment devoted to agriculture varied from
11.8% in 1946-1950 to a peak of 20.1% in 1971-1975.
Not surprising there is something of a positive legacy. Main failures of postwar Soviet
agriculture were distribution and processing. Not enough roads or trucks, inadequate cold
chain, too few food processing plants, etc.
Belarus also has a successful agricultural machinery sector as well.
Heavy transportation machinery was generally a Soviet success story, probably because not
only are they producer goods but they also require routine replacement. Thus unlike other
capital goods in centrally-planned economies they weren't kept in service long past the time
they ceased to be efficient. The irrational "development" of Siberia also increased the size
of this sector and the quality of its output.
Lastly, worth noting Rostelmash has been privately owned since 2000.
The F-35 will have an over-the-horizon A2A capability that will result in virtually any
other aircraft being annihilated long before it closes distance on it.
If this is the case then obviously its 'kinematic performance' is secondary. If you can
see the enemy before it can see you and you have weapons to engage the enemy then obviously
your top speed and acceleration are not that important. The missile you launch is faster than
your top speed and your enemy's top speed.
But there are doubts. How much the stealth technology is a hype? Is information about
radar cross sections of various planes credible?
I thought like you before Skripal, but after the second in a row I understood this was
either Western intelligence or Putin's orders. Western intelligence simply would not
dare frame Putin because the Russians would become too jumpy. Yeltsin almost started WW3
in 1995, there is no telling what could happen if the West was framing Putin repeatedly and
he responded by putting Russian forces on red alert, then something like the Black Brant
scare occurred.
Litvinenko was a poor devil.
I don't think he was a happy man.
Now it's not impossible that Putin nevertheless wanted to murder Litvinenko, but you
have just assumed how Putin would think and then proceeded to jump to a conclusion based on
that assumption.
I happen to believe that Putin is deliberately trying to alienate the West with these
assassinations because he wants Russia to remain proudly independent after he is gone. Yet he
has to justify that policy to his close associates many of whom who love the Western
lifestyle and making money. It is like Hitler having to explain his attack on the USSR to his
generals and Goebbels by saying it was necessary to remove that threat from the east before
moving against Britain. Obviously Hitler really longed to conquer Russia, and it seems likely
to me that Putin wants to initiate schismogenesis with the West. He probably is not telling
his cronies that though, there will be some security pretext.
Do you think Putin is so stupid that he hates the tools instead of the powerful
people wielding them?
Putin has more power than anyone else on Earth, I should have thought that was obvious by
now. He wants to exert control when he is no longer there, and that means setting Russia on a
course that cannot be altered, and consulting/implicating the entire future leadership
cadre.
John Deere does very well in Russia because they own a local factory. They seem to be the
combine of choice because they have faster parts distribution than Class. Rostelmash does
better than it used to but the really big commercial farms and associated contractors buy the
best machines. The operators on the ex cooperatives, usually farmed under (corrupt) rental
arrangements tend to use Rostelmash, insofar as they buy new.
In BVR combat kinematic performance is indeed secondary to the performance of sensors,
electronic warfare equipment, and missiles.
But not irrelevant. Higher top speed allows for longer-ranged missile shots. Faster
acceleration (and, for that matter, turning performance) allows for faster escape from the
combat zone.
Note how BVR optimized interceptors like the F-102/106, MiG-25/31, F-4, F-111B, English
Electric Lightning, and so forth had great top speeds and excellent acceleration. They were
however lacking in maneuverability as it was not intended for them to dogfight (hence the bad
air combat performance over North Vietnam).
China's Chengdu J-20 is a modern stealth aircraft designed for this role. The F-35 is not.
It's basically a tactical strike fighter. Historical analogues would be the F-100, F-105,
SEPECAT Jaguar, Su-24, and so forth.
Tactical strike fighters of the classic style are dubious today since multi-mode radars
and PGMs have made fighters very capable of ground attack.
Stealth isn't hype unless you believe the maximalist fanboy nonsense from the 1990s.
If indeed F-22 and F-35 have several orders of magnitude smaller cross-sections (RCS) than
other jet fighters then obviously it is a huge advantage that if utilized will render small
differences (±10%) in speed and acceleration completely unimportant.
You're right about that, and I'm glad to be different from you. At least people aren't
leaving messages about me at blogs warning them that I might be dangerous to deal with.
'Sbrebrenica Genocide Denier' is nothing to be proud about, Mickey.
Realistically, what action Russia could take that would potentially match the disruptive
power of American sanctions on Russia? Arm the Central American drug cartels?
I quite like that idea!
Provide sophisticated arms to everybody (no matter how crazy) with an ability to cause
grief to the U.S.
The U.S. objective is not to punish Russia or weaken Russia. The U.S. objective is to
destroy Russia as a sovereign nation. This is war to the death. There can be no negotiation
with the U.S. The only hope of forcing the Americans to adopt a sane policy is to make the
costs of their current policy catastrophically high.
The U.S. is obviously stronger but a strong man will usually back down if faced with
someone crazy and unpredictable. Putin needs to be crazy and unpredictable.
And Russia needs to target America's lapdogs, like the British. Perhaps let them know that
if it ever came to nuclear war London would be a priority target.
U.S. "public opinion" is literally the collective opinion of dumbed-down, amoral idiots.
In fact, the word "opinion" is too dignified for this – "braindead recantation of
MSM-fed government propaganda" would be a better description.
It's optimized for certain wavelengths and expected receiver locations.
Thus stealth aircraft can for instance be readily detected by low frequency radars.
Stealth is still useful as low frequency radars are too bulky to fly, and they indicate a
general location rather than a precise location.
Stealth aircraft can also be detected visually, acoustically, through their own electronic
emissions, and through their heat signatures. Employment of weapons, obviously, compromises
stealth as well.
There are also degrees of stealth. The F-22 for instance is considered an all-aspect
stealth design, at least in the higher frequency bands. The Have Blue, MBB Lampyridae, F-117,
B-2, and YF-23 were as well.
The F-35 however is not–it's only stealth optimized in the frontal area. This of
course reflects the fact that it was never intended to be an air superiority fighter, but
incompetent American force planning is now pressing it into that role.
Lastly, while stealth is obviously a good capability (hence why everyone is following
America's lead on it), it's not without trade-offs. Stealth is lost if weapons are carried
externally. Radar absorbing materials are costly and maintenance intensive (though the
Japanese may have solved this problem). Because stealth requires precision shaping of the
airframe, it is difficult to modify the airframe for future requirements.
"But it's not an invisibility cloak." – Nobody talks about invisibility. RCS
matters. You detect enemy plane before it detects you. Period.
"The F-35 however is not–it's only stealth optimized in the frontal area. " –
Presumably it will show its rear to its enemy only when the enemy will be already falling
down after being hit.
"Stealth aircraft can also be detected visually " – Nobody argues invisibility.
"it was never intended to be an air superiority fighter". – It all depend on
superiority over whom. Anyway this is a vague and pompous term.
"Stealth is lost if weapons are carried externally." – What good are those weapons
for if you are shot before you see your stealthy enemy?
"Radar absorbing materials are costly and maintenance intensive". – Yes. That's why
Russians do not have it.
Listen. I do not really care about this issue and I do not know much about it. I just
responded to your arguments which are mostly rhetorical in nature among at diminishing
importance of the orders of magnitude lower RCS of F-22 and F-35 comparing to that of their
potential opponents.
I thought like you before Skripal, but after the second in a row I understood this was
either Western intelligence or Putin's orders.
Or something else neither of us thought of. It's a false dichotomy when we have no
information at all about the whole thing, the only thing we know is that the British are
lying.
Western intelligence simply would not dare frame Putin because the Russians would become
too jumpy.
But that's just your model. Maybe they wouldn't become jumpy, or maybe the Western
intelligence services would dare frame him anyway.
By the way it's interesting that you managed to draw a psychological profile of Putin
based on just two cases a decade apart, and Putin only did it twice in his whole reign. Sure
if he enjoyed torturing his critics he'd do it more, wouldn't he?
Yeltsin almost started WW3 in 1995, there is no telling what could happen if the West
was framing Putin repeatedly and he responded by putting Russian forces on red alert, then
something like the Black Brant scare occurred.
Risk management is my job. People don't think about risks that way. They assign a very low
probability to events like the Black Brant scare, and anyway probably Putin would just
realize it was only one rocket. There's no reason to believe he'd be any more likely to
launch than Yeltsin.
Stealth is of limited use in an air-to-air role to take down enemy fighters(air
superiority fighter) since missiles are not "stealth" and their guidance systems very, very
obviously telegraph their intentions: thus "missile lock" warning. The longer range just
telegraphs their intentions earlier, which gives the targeted plane more options to employ
countermeasures.
However, ground sites lack many countermeasures against incoming missile launches and
cannot lock onto low-visibility planes from the front, so even if its general location is
known, there's not much that a SAM site can do to it in theory. Thus, it has a very
effective, but limited role.
This is of questionable utility against a peer competitor since they will not be using
ground to air systems in isolation, although it probably means that the US can destroy any
number of third world countries.
I wish I could say the same thing about the Ukrainians. You are showing nothing but
regress since 1991, but I don't expect that you'll agree with that. It's one of the side
effects of having a thick head.
You know how the Ukrainians got their name? It's from the Latin Cranium for scull.
Basically, what it means is that when any new idea (or old one for that matter) tries to
penetrate the thick Ukrainian sculls – it has to make a U turn when it reaches their
fortified cranial structures – U Cranium – therefore Ukraine. Get it? It's pretty
discouraging actually.
A good case could be made that we don't know how these jets would perform under the
conditions of a real world war. But I think it's always the best bet that it will be the
American weapons which perform the best. That's simply the way to bet.
It's possible that many of their weapons systems wouldn't perform as advertised. Some
would perform better than thought or for roles they weren't designed for.
It's a very safe decision to buy the F-35, which is now not even that expensive. It's
possible that it won't be worth much in a real war against comparable opponents, but this
could be true of any other platform: these weapons are only tried out against vastly inferior
opponents.
You detect enemy plane before it detects you. Period.
He will usually have a vague idea where you are. Currently it's not possible to launch a
missile based on that vague knowledge, but will it stay like that forever? A lot depends on
other systems like air defense and AWACS.
Anyway, my original point was that probably buying the F-35 is not based on politics, it's
a safe decision for those with deep enough pockets to buy the best available fighter jet.
Even if under the circumstances of a real war it turned out to be bad: it could happen to a
number of other weapons systems anyway, and you cannot really tell in advance which ones.
The longer range just telegraphs their intentions earlier
But wouldn't the idea be that you get closer to the enemy without being detected? Your
argument might work against BVR combat in general, but more against non-stealth BVR combat
than against stealth: stealthy planes will probably employ their BVR weapons from closer
range than non-stealthy planes.
If BVR air-to-air missiles work at all, they work much better with stealthy planes.
Regardless of whether against peer or non-peer opponents.
Stealth is of limited use in an air-to-air role to take down enemy fighters(air
superiority fighter) since missiles are not "stealth" and their guidance systems very, very
obviously telegraph their intentions: thus "missile lock" warning. The longer range just
telegraphs their intentions earlier, which gives the targeted plane more options to employ
countermeasures.
If your argument states that it is actually bad to deploy weapons far away (which I do not
understand) I would say that the stealth will allow you to get much closer to the enemy w/o
being detected and makes it possible to launch the missile when there will be not less time
for the enemy to deploy countermeasures.
I realize this is a complex game with many possible strategies and tactics with many
parameters involved. For each strategy there are decision regions where the different
parameters dominate what will be the optimal tactic. Furthermore we really do not know how
effective various countermeasures are but I suspect that they might be decisive. But if they
fail and planes get close to each other within the visual range then obvious completely
different parameters might be decisive including the human factor.
I won't argue with you on this subject because I know you were raised by video games so
you now better at least in the realm of video games model. I would not argue with Mowgli
about the purpose and efficacy of howling at the moon. Perhaps it was a sophisticated
countermeasure.
I actually have never played a flight simulator within recent memory. As far as I'm aware,
none of them really calculate the issues of missile flight with any degree of accuracy and
treat guidance systems like some sort of magic. My comments are actually speculations from
conversations with military pilots.
If your argument states that it is actually bad to deploy weapons far away (which I do
not understand)
Missiles have extremely limited flight times and their flight characteristics degrade
after launch. Disrupting either their guidance or their flight negates the kill chain.
I would say that the stealth will allow you to get much closer to the enemy w/o being
detected and makes it possible to launch the missile when there will be not less time for
the enemy to deploy countermeasures.
This is possible, but ever-increasingly decreases the window of attack that is beyond
visual range. Its possible that this is the idea, coupled with the Block III Sidewinders
which are designed against a number of countermeasures, but that seems to have been cancelled
for some reason.
If you don't know the composite materials used, you can not give a correct RCS, and you
can not tell just by looking, the physics don't work like that!
So at least we have the word of the US Air Force and Lockheed regarding the stealthiness
of their planes (these are probably not outright lies, but might differ from reality in
either direction: they might be modest to hide their true capabilities, or, more likely,
exaggerate and give a number only true under ideal conditions for a specific type of radar
etc. ), but regarding the supposedly 5th generation Chinese or Russian jets we have just very
rough estimates based on the shape and some assumptions about their coating.
So many US sanctions and interdictions , to friends and foes alike , will end up isolating
the US .
The US pressure to the EU not to trade with Russia , Iran and other countries has provoked
a deep resentment in the EU and has turned the US into a very unreliable partner , and even a
dangerous " friend " .
The better part of four decades ago, President Reagan made a joke about outlawing the Soviet
Union and the press and the left went apeshit. Now Congress seriously proposes legislation
that would essentially outlaw Russia, and the press and the left are all for it.
ever-increasingly decreases the window of attack that is beyond visual range
How many seconds will the stealth pilot have to identify the target and fire its missiles?
Sixty? Hundred-twenty? Thirty? Even thirty seconds must be enough for a well enough trained
pilot.
There might be issues with how to leave the scene after having killed an opponent, if
other enemies are still there, because it's less stealthy from other angles. I guess we're
not the first to think about it, so probably there's some solution. At the very least, I
wouldn't expect them to perform worse than the 4th gen planes.
I think even the production of the F-16 is about to end.
Yes, the Gripen is a good and cheap alternative, but it's not the best available in the
western ecosystem. The F-35 would probably destroy an equal number of Gripens, though that's
not saying much, considering the price differential.
Hungary also has Gripens, though we didn't fully equip them until recently, and I don't
think we spend enough on training the pilots.
These demands on Russia are about as sincere and plausible as the ultimata given to Serbia
after Sarajevo. They are not credible but meant only as a prelude to war. The whole
slow-motion drama, with all its attendant false flags (MH17, the Skripals, gassings in Syria,
etc), numerous rounds of sanctions and specious rhetoric including accusations of "stealing
the election" from Hillary, since Putin checked Obama's attempt to seize Russia's Crimean
base and recruit another hostile NATO member on that country's frontier has been meant to
convince the American public that Russia is our country's blood enemy, that it is run by an
insane dictator the equal of Hitler, and that the consequent world war will have been all
Putin's fault in spite of America bending over backwards to make peace with those vicious
mongrels from the steppes.
As a commentor above said, I'd hate to be killed by a Russian nuke directed at my city
only because of an insane American leadership, but I'd equally hate for tens of millions of
Russians (and others) to be exterminated by our weapons simply to further an agenda being
promoted by the likes of Jeff Bezos, Sheldon Adelson and the other plutocrats who really pull
all the strings in Washington to benefit themselves plus their Saudi and Israeli
co-conspirators in some great game to rule the world. I'd say that Washington is about poised
to commit the greatest crime in the history of the human race, and chances are good that it
will be the last.
"Stealth is of limited use in an air-to-air role to take down enemy fighters(air superiority
fighter) since missiles are not "stealth" and their guidance systems very, very obviously
telegraph their intentions: thus "missile lock" warning. The longer range just telegraphs
their intentions earlier, which gives the targeted plane more options to employ
countermeasures."
That's not quite true. The ability to shoot a barrage of sophisticated missiles at an
opponent that can't shoot back beyond visual range should be quite useful in combat; these
missiles will also close the gap much sooner than you would think, so it's not like an enemy
is going to have all day to deal with incoming threats. Further, electronic countermeasures
won't be perfect as most A2A missiles fielded by the US will have systems designed to defeat
them. The F-35 will also be fielded in large enough numbers such that they'll just overwhelm
opponents with their stealth ability. Combine the F-35 with the F-18 or F-22, and you'll have
a very effective air dominance force.
"This is of questionable utility against a peer competitor since they will not be using
ground to air systems in isolation, although it probably means that the US can destroy any
number of third world countries."
I expect the F-35 to do quite well against both Russia and China in helping to establish
air dominance. The F-35 will additionally have utility against surface S2A units. The navy
could overwhelm Russian and Chinese air defenses – even assuming they are quite
effective – by coordinating strikes with F-22s and F-35s. Those air defenses will go
active, and the F-35 will then be able to hit many of them with a degree of survivability +
coordinate with surface ships to smoke them out, mobile or not.
These demands on Russia are about as sincere and plausible as the ultimata given to
Serbia after Sarajevo. They are not credible but meant only as a prelude to war.
I have never put much thought into these issues. But now after reading comments and some
articles I realized that this is a fascinating topic and that there are many people somewhere
who study it, write simulations and developed optimal algorithms for all possible situations
where they have input data on all plane and missile characteristics except with only partial
knowledge of enemy characteristics and efficacy of countermeasures. So I think that
everything has been already calculated. When and what to shoot and when and where to turn and
when to retreat and so on. And as new data are flowing in with the outcome of the first
missile or the arrival of another enemy plane the master program is just bringing in
pre-calculated solutions for each new situations. And then every geometric configuration must
have been analyzed and optimal actions has been found. Furthermore optimal configuration were
found about how to fly , in what formations, with what speeds and so on. Mathematically this
problem might not be harder than a chess game on multiple boards and thus I think a
completely autonomous AI system must exist where pilot is really not needed. The only big
unknown are countermeasures. You do not have them in chess. Can pilot be better in making
some decisions in the present of countermeasure than computer? I doubt it.
Now the question is who is better in this game? Russians or Americans? It all comes down
to money. How many good mathematicians, computer programmers and physicists I can employ? In
USSR at secret sites like Arzamas-16 they had departments where 1000 or so PhDs in math
(many, many women) worked. In Yeltsin times and probably before they mostly drank tea and
coffee, organized birthday celebrations and send designated ones to stand in lines to do
shopping. And it all fell apart. But in the US DARPA and Aerospace R&D continued w/o a
break. So I would not hesitate to bet on Americans that they have significantly better
systems. Another question is about spying. Jews are not as numerous as they were in R&D
and no longer enamored with the Soviet Union, so it is more likely that India and China has
know more about it and obviously Israel but through more official channels. But the fact that
F-22 was not donated to Israel yet may suggest that there are still some boundaries within
American MIC that are off limits even to our beloved Jews.
Yes, the Gripen is a good and cheap alternative, but it's not the best available in the
western ecosystem. The F-35 would probably destroy an equal number of Gripens, though
that's not saying much, considering the price differential.
You don't ask for the "best", you ask for the right system.
Unless you need a stealth strike fighter (and don't mind Lockheed's involvement), the F-35
does not have to be the right one.
In Hungary's case, it is more important to have enough jets for air patrol duty.
Can pilot be better in making some decisions in the present of countermeasure than
computer? I doubt it.
I doubt it. It's open ended, and the number of variations practically infinite. The
computer can do most things way better than a human, but then could succumb to stupidity in
some unknown situation, like the Tesla charging at full speed into the firetruck. Is the
Tesla autopilot better than a well trained professional human, like a rally race driver? I
don't think so, especially in unexpected (for the computer) situations, where the human would
just do the easy and sensible thing, but not the computer.
Anyway, the US warplanes are still flown by human pilots. Of course, most things which
could be automated are automated, and the logical conclusion is fully autonomous drones
flying without much input from their handlers in underground bunkers.
Jews are not as numerous as they were in R&D and no longer enamored with the Soviet
Union, so it is more likely that India and China has know more about it and obviously
Israel but through more official channels.
Do you think that one of the things Israel pays Putin for being so friendly to him is US
military tech? They did sell Russia some drones back in the Medvedev days, but nothing more
recent can be found. But I'd be surprised if Putin didn't think about it. I also think it's
not above Netanyahu to sell Russia American secrets. They gave such secrets to the USSR, and
they also helped China more recently. I'm sure that if there's anything going on, the MSM
wouldn't be reporting much on it. They also rarely wrote about the extent of the Israel-South
Africa arms trade, and things only got worse recently.
"The RAND Corporation disagreed and projected one Su-35 lost for each 2.4 F-35s."
I believe that study was conducted under the assumption of within visual range, which
artificially presented a situation where the F-35 was at a disadvantage from the get go. In a
real world situation, the Su-35 would probably be shot down before it knew what hit it,
especially considering that American pilots tend to be among the best in the world.
"F-22 production capped at 187 units, and none were exported to other countries (despite
persistent requests from Japan)."
That's irrelevant for three reasons:
1) 187 is still a number far greater than the number of Su-57s the Russians wanted to
produce in the near term.
2) the F-22 is often stationed at bases around the world, so the US does not need to sell
the aircraft to anyone to bring it to a theater of combat.
3) the F-22 would dominate any Russian or Chinese aircraft currently fielded; an
appreciable number of F-22s (or any US fourth generation aircraft) along with the F-35 should
be a potent combination. US pilots are also very well trained, easily matching any other
country save perhaps Israel.
"This is what is known as projection. Identifying in others the sins that you yourself are
guilty of."
Please. Extrapolation from a set of known facts and historical precedent is hardly
projection. What you've done is classic deflection.
"Many countries are poor. Others are small or have limited defense budgets. Though I
contend thee aircraft in question are in fact superior to the F-35 which makes this
moot."
The aircraft you quoted are certainly not superior, so the issue is hardly moot.
"Superb kinematic performance enables earlier missile shots, makes it easier to defeat
incoming missile shots, allows for faster transit in and out of combat zones, and gives a
decisive edge in WVR combat."
Kinematic performance doesn't cont for much when you are overwhelmed by aircraft that you
can't shoot back at effectively while they are shooting at you from a distance. Kinematic
performance isn't nothing, but it isn't everything either. The F-35 will have a decisive
advantage over all Russian aircraft fielded now and over the next decade, and any issues with
the design will be made up for by fielding large numbers of them to overwhelm opponents +
combining the aircraft with the F-22 or F-18.
"The F-35 program developed a first-class powerplant and avionics, but then mated then to
an inferior airframe in order to fulfill a commonality fantasy driven by a silly Marine Corps
STOVL requirement."
That's not really the right way to phrase it. "Inferior" in this case only means "less
than what the US could have otherwise done but still quite good compared to most other
aircraft."
Further, the philosophy you quoted will allow the US to field huge numbers of these craft
– thousands – at an affordable price, so I'm not so sure it was a bad idea after
all. That's much better than the SU-57, which is a dumpster fire of a program.
I'm also not sold on the idea that the B model was a bad idea for the Asian theater. In
any conflict, the Chinese will attempt to destroy our bases and landing strips. Having a
larger number of fighters capable of short vertical takeoffs might prove to be quite the
asset in organizing a counter offensive/stationing the craft in various locations that are
hard to hit or detect.
"If your goal is to maximize stealth and only fight BVR engagements, the F-35′s
design is entirely inappropriate. After all, its stealth is in the front area "
That's not correct. The F-35 will have a reduced radar cross section across much of the
craft compared with any other non-stealth aircraft. Nearly the entire surface is covered in
radar absorbent material and the engine itself is designed to reflect away radar waves. It
also has IR reduction measures.
"Small number of missiles."
Made up for by building 2000+ F-35s. How many SU-57s is Russia making?
"Optimizing exclusively for BVR combat would entail a large tailless aircraft (perhaps a
flying wing) with all-aspect stealth, large internal volumes of missiles, and far more
powerful radar."
No, it wouldn't. Something doesn't have to be theoretically perfect for it to work quite
well in the real world. The F-35 will perform BVR combat much better than any non-American
aircraft.
"Flying wing."
1. We already have that. It's called the B2 and we are also working on a flying wing
stealth drone that does exactly that already: shoot a barrage of missiles at BVR in
coordination with the F-35.
2. Wrong. Just wrong. There are huge disadvantages to your flying wing idea. Stability and
maneuverability being just two, so they wouldn't be much use in visual range combat or in a
variety of other missions for which the F-35 was designed; the F-35 is a multi-role fighter.
It will do BVR just fine.
"The F-35′s design is based on political and economic considerations, not military
ones."
The military design of the F-35 is pretty good. You're trying to cover this up by pointing
out an irrelevant fact – that there were economic considerations when building the
craft which applies to every military project ever conceived.
You don't need to convince me. You'll need to convince Russian kleptocrats, who've been
sending their kids to live in the West since 1991, and who have kept their (stolen) money in
the West.
And reiner Tor , you are a funny guy, liking these militant comments from dfordoom,
but getting your panties in a bunch, when I suggest occupying the Ukraine. I wonder why?
The fact is asserting dominance in Eastern Europe will be a lot easier for Russia to
accomplish, than confronting USA directly, and it is something I would probably do before I
started threatening New York and London with nuclear devastation. You gotta make your threats
credible you know. Credibility doesn't come from making scary faces and shouting loudly, it's
earned.
Your Croatian neighbors are still operating Mig-21 and will get second-hand
((((F-16)))).
And your Austrian neighbors are unhappy with their Eurofighters.
Gripens are better than alternatives and nothing.
No, I don't. In fact, I think the American Deep State is nuts. I have great respect for
Russians and their military. I am simply pointing out facts: the F-35 isn't the chump some
think it is; do not believe any random internet poster when he says this thing won't work.
I've seen enough to know that it will and that you should be afraid of what it can do in
large numbers.
As I said earlier, the Russians should just dump all Hollywood movies and video games onto
a server and call it MegaUpload 2. Hurt an industry most Trump voters despise anyway and you
might be able to turn republicans against their warmongering representatives in congress who
are pushing for sanctions, etc.
Actually, it means "pure fool," "reines Tor" would be "pure gate" (not door), and it comes
from the Wagner opera Parsifal, where the protagonist is a pure fool, enlightened by
compassion. I'd probably choose a funnier handle today, but ultimately it doesn't matter.
This point of false dichotomy is very important. Everything at this point, points to the
fact that there was no nerve agent employed against the Skripals and that they were simply
knocked out by some chloroform like substance. The fact that they survived, and recovered
without any problems, is irrefutable proof of this.
Therefore a false dichotomy is employed in order to, we can say mentally sodomise people
into believing that the only option is that the Kremlin did it.
I see people stating in comments sections in British newspapers that the official story is
bullshit but that they simply can't believe that their own government would disperse CWs
throughout their country, however this is a mute point as it has been disproven that CWs were
used at all and that the obvious conclusion is that they were simply drugged and held against
their will while their oh so benevolent government spun an endlessly shifting fairytale,
growing ever more convoluted and self contradictory by the day.
Even if both NATO and the EU collapsed, and a war broke out with one or some of our
neighbors, neither Austria nor Croatia would be likely enemies. Of our NATO allies, both
Romania and Slovakia were more likely enemies. I hope it won't happen, because both are
seriously stronger than us.
The F-16 is no longer in production (though maybe a restart is planned?), but most
operators are happy enough with it.
Here, locally, I find it interesting that the commenter "Sean" got sodomized himself or is
just trying to sodomize us. There is one recurring almost below the radar theme in his
comments: war with Iran and the opportunity of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians it will
bring. He might be right about it though I still hope this will be prevented while he seems
to be welcoming it. And for some reason he seems to need Putin dead or compromised for this
scenario to happen.
Public opinion in Russia is a lot like this actually. It seems that state-tv interrupted
its anti-Western programming during World Cup, which caused approval of both US and EU to
spike into positive territory for the first time since 2014.
Somebody SHOULD investigate: Michael McFaul, Samantha Power, Robert Mueller, Peter
Strzok, George Soros, William Browder, Hillary Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal, Christopher
Steele, John Podesta, Barack Obama, and John Brennan.
Congress has done a SHlTTY Job of it. Perhaps Vladimir Putin SHOULD be allowed to
publicly question these traitors, in the USA.
And reiner Tor, you are a funny guy, liking these militant comments from dfordoom, but
getting your panties in a bunch, when I suggest occupying the Ukraine. I wonder why?
I don't fear it much, it'd simply be a stupid policy. I also don't like ethnic cleansing
and mass deportations and the like. Which would be a requirement if you were to occupy
Ukraine.
The predictable result would be a state of emergency in Central Europe and a strong
mobilization against Russia. Military expenditures would quickly rise to 5% of GDP in Central
Europe, but it'd rise around Europe.
But actually some kind of military action in Ukraine as a direct response to American
sanctions might make sense. Just don't expect Ukrainians or neighboring peoples to greet you
with flowers. So you might bomb some military targets recently installed by the
Americans.
But before that, you'd need to make the anti-sanctions law. Actually, you'd need to make
it pretty strong. Until you cannot even do that, you shouldn't even fantasize about
conquest.
There are several steps you could take before starting an actual war of conquest. Which
you wouldn't even be able to finish.
AK: In the future, please unite your multiple low effort one-sentence posts into one. Since
they aren't very high quality, fill up valuable screen real estate, and splicing them
together takes too much time on my part, I will otherwise have to just start deleting them.
Captain Albert Ball, VC, DSO & Two Bars, MC (14 August 1896 – 7 May 1917) was an
English fighter pilot during the First World War. At the time of his death he was the United
Kingdom's leading flying ace, with 44 victories.
These sanctions are complex, well thought out, most probably not by Goyim.
Now We can see that Scripal affair was definitely false flag.
These sanctions are obviously not a punishment.
..
These sanctions are telling Mother Russia to get on her knees, or die.
.
These are not really sanctions. This is Ultimatum.
.
Everybody should understand that.
Putin cannot be read like a book, but we can be confident that he is capable of deceiving
even his closest confidants, for he got his current job by completely fooling Yeltsin .
There's no reason to believe he'd be any more likely to launch than Yeltsin.
All other things being equal, but Yeltsin was never framed for murder by the West even
once, so he never had Russian forces on red alert; never had the safety catches off
. Yet in the Black Brant scare Yeltsin actually activated the nuclear keys , something
that never happened even in the Cuban Missile crisis. In circumstances where there was
already a hair trigger because of some misunderstanding and Yeltsin had a too much of a
hangover to think clearly and recognize bad advice, he might well have launched. Putin would
never knowingly launch first, but the opening of move of a nuclear first strike would
be a high altitude air burst to blind the victim's radar so waiting for the first nuclear
detonation would not be an option.
If he and his country had been framed for murder twice in a row, Putin would take the some
of the safeties off of the Russian nuclear deterrent because it was not working at the normal
settings. All it would then take is someone, possibly at a low level, to get careless and we
are in the danger zone. The Russians do not think America is likely to attack them out of the
blue, but they do not rule out the possibility (Reagan said that was what most surprised him
about the Soviet leadership once he came to know them).
Wealthy Russians put their money in offshore British accounts, you seriously think anyone
in their right mind would do that if the British Deep State was capable of deliberately
framing Russia for assassinations. Dirty money from all over the world comes to offshore
British accounts because Britain has the rule of law and the ill gotten gains are safe. It
simply would not pay Britain to behave like a banana republic in the way you are suggesting.
What you are suggesting is like MI5 & 6 stealing the gold out of the Bank of England,
except it would be more plausible because there would be something in it for them. South
Korean had the death penalty for capital flight. Putin is less crude, he is using the British
sanctions against his circle (and you must be associated with circle to get rich in Russia)
to force dodgy Russians and their money to stay put .
Putin's long term objective is to nullify foreign influences, which boils down to Western
soft power and money. The Russian and Western elite were growing together before he started
the high profile assassinations, now the divergence is gaining a momentum of its own. The
more the West retaliates the better Putin likes it, hence arrest of Maria Butina and the
heavy boots of the bots are grist to Putin's mill, the more amateurish the espionage against
the West, the better. That is why the
OPSEC–oblivious GRU suit his purpose so much
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/06/the-gru-the-russian-intelligence-agency-behind-the-headlines
"The GRU regards itself as a war-fighting instrument. Yes, it gathers conventional
intelligence but its culture is much more military," said Mark Galeotti, an expert on
Russian security issues and the country's intelligence agencies. "Although only a minority
of GRU officers are Spetsnaz, it has an impact when part of your service are
commandos."
Putin sacked the vast majority of the old GRU; the new commander Sergun was low
ranking (although he was to be promoted to Colonel General after he designed the Donbass
uprising) and was keen on contacts with the US, but died mysteriously in 2016, and the ones
left know better than to ask questions about the ultimate purpose or ulterior motive of
goading the US. Anyway, Putins's objectives in all this are not to get away with anything, he
wants the bad public relations, he wants the West to reject Russia and all its works,
all the better to keep Russian away from Western influence. I just think the idea of the West
deliberately pushing a proud nuclear armed power into confusion such as Andropov was in
during Able Archer would be foolhardy beyond belief.
Brilliant. And I like how you are able to weave in your almost non-existent knowledge of
Latin too! This definitely proves that your IQ is in the 99* range. Like I say, you're
showing real progress each and every day. Soon, I suspect that readers of this blog will be
giving you 'agreements' each and every time you write something here, like your buddy
Janissary !
On the other hand, the more such crises there will be between nuclear armed states, the
more likely that one of those will result in a nuclear war. Humans (or machines, for that
matter) will inevitably miscalculate once in a while, and those might result in one side
believing it's about to be obliterated, so that it can "use it or lose it." All kinds of
stupid (or seemingly stupid) factors might get into this, like sleep deprivation, extreme
stress, fear of shame or loss of face, etc. People have committed murder-suicide under all
kinds of circumstances, starting a nuclear war as an act of final desperation is certainly
not out of the realm of possibilities.
So while nuclear weapons greatly diminish the likelihood of a world war, it certainly
doesn't make it impossible, and, on a long enough timeline, its likelihood will approach
1.
Their armies are certainly much stronger, in terms of artillery or armored forces for
example. Their air forces are not, but with the very low number of planes, it wouldn't be
decisive anyway. And they're both in the process of buying F-16s, unless I'm mistaken. I
think once these are over, the Slovakian Air Force will be roughly as strong as the Hungarian
one, or somewhat stronger, while the Romanian will be multiple times stronger.
The Slovak military is somewhat smaller on paper (in terms of troop numbers) than the
Hungarian, but even that might be just a paper advantage. At least Slovakia is a smaller
country (roughly half the size of Hungary), but Romania is vastly bigger, and its military is
even larger than would be proportional.
Anyway, I don't think any Hungarian government would have the appetite to wage war against
either of these.
This is probably the consequence of Trump's blunder in grovelling in front of Putin (and the
world's TV cameras!). He now has to inflict a defeat on Putin so unequivocal that even
Putin's American supporters cannot hype it into a victory. I don't see EU Member States
raising any objection to further sanctions. Quite the contrary, in fact. The EU is the
principal victim of Putin's actions and is therefore the principal beneficiary of sanctions.
Don't forget that the fight with Putin began over an attempt by him to prevent Ukraine
signing an association agreement with the EU. The idea that the EU Member States are just
dying to resume trade with Russia is a US internet myth (like so much else about Europe!).
OK the GRU did not use deadly nerve gas on the traitor Skripal because he survived, but by
the same token the GRU did not use knockout gas in the Dubrovka Theater because they killed
hundreds of innocent Russian hostages. At least we can agree GRU did use flamethrowers and
heavy machine guns in the Beslan school, because they shot and burned hundreds of Ossetian
children to death.
This is probably the consequence of Trump's blunder in grovelling in front of Putin (and
the world's TV cameras!). He now has to inflict a defeat on Putin so unequivocal that even
Putin's American supporters cannot hype it into a victory.
Look I know you are another dim witted Ukrainian pretending to be an Anglo Saxon, but even
for you this logic is beyond ridiculous.
President Trump has not dismissed the idea that Russian investigators meet with, and
question, the former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul. President Trump has said that
Vladimir Putin tendered him an "incredible offer": that, in exchange for letting Robert
Mueller's team question the twelve indicted Russian intelligence officers thought to have
participated in the cyber-meddling in the 2016 election, Russian counterparts would get the
chance to question McFaul, the U.S. Ambassador to Russia during the Obama years. Rather than
dismiss this idea out of hand, Trump, according to Sarah Huckabee Sanders, is "going to work
with his team, and we'll let you know if there's an announcement on this front."
At a summit in Helsinki, Finland, with President Trump, Putin floated the idea of inviting
U.S. special counsel investigators to Russia for the questioning of a dozen Russian
intelligence officials indicted last week as part of the special counsel's inquiry into
Kremlin interference in the 2016 election. In return, Putin wanted Russian authorities to be
allowed to interrogate a roughly equal number of Americans, including McFaul, for supposed
illicit activities. At Monday's post-summit news conference with Putin at his side, Trump --
sounding intrigued rather than indignant -- called that an "incredible" offer.
What is the problem with a joint investigation of Michael McFALL, on American Soil.
I have no idea what is going on in Putin's mind, but I can see what he is doing and if he
wants closer relations with the West, his way of showing it seems odd. Do I need to read
Dostoevsky to understand Putin?
But before that, you'd need to make the anti-sanctions law. Actually, you'd need to make
it pretty strong. Until you cannot even do that, you shouldn't even fantasize about
conquest.
There are several steps you could take before starting an actual war of conquest. Which
you wouldn't even be able to finish.
But the sanctions are happening anyway. We'll need an anti-sanctions law regardless of
whether or not we are going to invade. Actually, as an economist, I don't think we need a
law. What we need is to make sure that the vital sectors of the economy do not rely on US
financial system, by converting oil trade into non-dollar currencies for example.
Eastern Europeans will never mobilise. What would mass mobilisation even look like in a
country like Hungary? Instead, they'll petition USA to station more of its troops in Eastern
Europe. A lot more, like hundreds of thousands more. Doing so will impose costs on the USA.
Actually, this is one of the few ways Russia could impose tangible costs on USA: by stoking
tensions in Eastern Europe.
And if USA suddenly grows a brain and declines to play along, Eastern NATO members will
begin re-orienting their foreign relations towards appeasement of Russia instead. That's what
weak people do.
I also don't like ethnic cleansing and mass deportations and the like. Which would be a
requirement if you were to occupy Ukraine.
Mass deportations is the best part about occupying the Ukraine! I would drive Galicia
population into Poland and other neighboring countries. There would be millions of refugees.
This by itself will seriously destabilise NATO's "Eastern flank". There could be Russian
agents among the refugees, allowing us to seamlessly move from the invasion of the Ukraine to
a campaign of hybrid warfare against Eastern NATO members.
NATO will react to invasion of the Ukraine by positioning to support an insurgency in the
Western part of the country. Instead they would have to contend with an insurgency in Eastern
Poland – wouldn't that be fun?
Probably better than trying to understand things by reading comic books (Hollywood movies
are the same), which is pretty much what the US establishment uses for their thinking.
for he got his current job by completely fooling Yeltsin "
Doesn't that apply to Obama? Will that not apply to future presidents? Doesn't it apply to
the sitting US senators and congress ? Doesn't this "fooling" apply every time US senators
and congress apply more sanction on Iran and justify their earlier "fooling" when they failed
to stop Trump get out of JCPOA?
It does because majority of Americans supported the deal and wanted to keep the deal.
"fooling" is a little more complex in America that it is in Papua NewGuinea . But fooling
it is.
It is like cries against "fake news ' charges leveled against Facebook infowar or
intercept or antiwar or common dreams by WaPo and NYT and FOX/CNN – being bad because
those lead to violences.
The violences perpetrated against Iraq ,Libya, Somalia, and Syria are based on lies and
been made possible by Fake News of CNN NYT . The latest servile and sinsiter attempt by NYT
to start talking of banned CW use by Syrians to kill more Syrians is nothing but 'fooling and
lying" fakery of news what they accuse Putin and Russian bot of but without proof.
Congress did not do their job when the CIA, DOJ & FBI ILLEGALLY:
Surveiled citizens. Investigated the Trump Presidential Campaign. Paid Christopher Steele to fabricate a pack of God Damned Lies. Told the FISA Court a pack of God Damned Lies. Obstructed a congressional investigation, into that pack of God Damned Lies. Fabricated ANOTHER pack of lies about Civil-Wars in Georgia & Ukraine. Fabricated YET ANOTHER pack of lies about the Syrian Civil War & ISIS. Fabricated STILL ANOTHER pack of lies about Russia President Putin.
Don't confuse Ukrainians with Ukies. Ukrainians are humans, with their stronger and weaker
points, like all humans, whereas Ukies are the scum of the Earth.
Trump has to thread a fine line with the Neocons and outright JOO firsters in his cabinet who
HATE Putin and the Russians. Push back against these vermin would be good but he probably
wont do it until after the mid terms, we shall see.
I believe that study was conducted under the assumption of within visual range, which
artificially presented a situation where the F-35 was at a disadvantage from the get go. In
a real world situation, the Su-35 would probably be shot down before it knew what hit it,
especially considering that American pilots tend to be among the best in the world.
The basic assumption is that over the horizon UHF radar (like Australia's Jindalee system)
detects the F-35, allowing Flankers to use their IRST.
Of course some have disputed the study, as well they should. A major problem with IRST is
its very limited field of view, though pairing this with low frequency radar mitigates
that.
In a real world situation the Su-35 would detect the AMRAAMs before impact rather than be
surprised. Whether or not the AMRAAMs destroy the Su-35 would depend on many factors such
as:
• Number of AMRAAMs fired
• Distance from which AMRAAMs are fired
• Quality of Su-35 countermeasures
• Pilot skill (duh)
Should also be pointed out that the Russians are now fielding L-band AESA radars embedded
in wingtips specifically for counter-VLO purposes. See here: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-06.html
That's irrelevant for three reasons:
1) 187 is still a number far greater than the number of Su-57s the Russians wanted to
produce in the near term.
2) the F-22 is often stationed at bases around the world, so the US does not need to
sell the aircraft to anyone to bring it to a theater of combat.
3) the F-22 would dominate any Russian or Chinese aircraft currently fielded; an
appreciable number of F-22s (or any US fourth generation aircraft) along with the F-35
should be a potent combination. US pilots are also very well trained, easily matching any
other country save perhaps Israel.
Chengdu J-20 and J-31 units will most certainly not be capped at 187 units. Fifth
generation fighters will almost certainly proliferate beyond China and Russia as well.
No, the US didn't "need" to sell the F-22 to Japan. But the sale would've strengthened
Allied forces in the Pacific theater, kept the F-22 production line open and cut unit costs,
reduced the American trade deficit, and provided jobs and profits to Americans. The F-22
export ban was an own goal.
Kinematic performance doesn't cont for much when you are overwhelmed by aircraft that
you can't shoot back at effectively while they are shooting at you from a distance.
Kinematic performance isn't nothing, but it isn't everything either. The F-35 will have a
decisive advantage over all Russian aircraft fielded now and over the next decade, and any
issues with the design will be made up for by fielding large numbers of them to overwhelm
opponents + combining the aircraft with the F-22 or F-18.
This decisive advantage depends on two assumptions:
• Counter-VLO sensors will not be effective (or fielded in adequate numbers), or at
least won't be enough to vector interceptors (whether aircraft or missiles) to the target
• Kill probability of BVR missile shots has improved by two orders of magnitude since
the last air war against a near peer
Obviously, overwhelming the opponent with numbers is always a war winning strategy. NATO
can thus be expected to prevail in any air war against Russia, though not without a bloody
nose.
That's not really the right way to phrase it. "Inferior" in this case only means "less
than what the US could have otherwise done but still quite good compared to most other
aircraft."
Further, the philosophy you quoted will allow the US to field huge numbers of these
craft – thousands – at an affordable price, so I'm not so sure it was a bad
idea after all. That's much better than the SU-57, which is a dumpster fire of a
program.
I'm also not sold on the idea that the B model was a bad idea for the Asian theater. In
any conflict, the Chinese will attempt to destroy our bases and landing strips. Having a
larger number of fighters capable of short vertical takeoffs might prove to be quite the
asset in organizing a counter offensive/stationing the craft in various locations that are
hard to hit or detect.
The airframe is inferior to what the US could have done otherwise, and is inferior to
contemporary aircraft. This inferiority was not driven by the stealth does requirement and
thus counts as an own goal.
The B model stems from the Marine Corps remember some battle in the Pacific War where Navy
air support didn't show up. Therefore they must have their own fighters, a logic which
strangely wouldn't apply to the Army.
If our doctrine or experience dictates that a STOVL aircraft is desirable, fine. But given
the limitations of STOVL aircraft, it ought to be a separate design.
Dealing with Chinese strikes at Pacific bases is probably better dealt with by buying more
heavy equipment and training more Seabees. You can patch holes pretty quickly.
That's not correct. The F-35 will have a reduced radar cross section across much of the
craft compared with any other non-stealth aircraft. Nearly the entire surface is covered in
radar absorbent material and the engine itself is designed to reflect away radar waves. It
also has IR reduction measures.
Here's a thermal image of an F-35 from a modern IR camera:
No IR reduction in the world is going to disguise 45,000 pounds of thrust from a single
nozzle.
Yes, the F-35 has substantially reduced RCS compared to non-VLO aircraft. News at 11. It
has, however, inferior stealth compared to the F-22 (let alone the YF-23).
RAM is useful, but the largest reductions in RCS come from airframe shaping. F-35 is not
optimized in the lower or aft areas. The original X-35 is quite decent here, but this was
changed for the F-35 in order to increase internal weapons load out. Given the original
intention of employing it as a tactical strike fighter, this wasn't unreasonable.
Made up for by building 2000+ F-35s. How many SU-57s is Russia making?
This originally concerned exports. Any damn fool can tell you that numerical superiority
is very powerful.
No, it wouldn't. Something doesn't have to be theoretically perfect for it to work quite
well in the real world. The F-35 will perform BVR combat much better than any non-American
aircraft.
In a 1v1 engagement with no supporting elements where the rival fighters approach each
other head on, I agree. But this isn't reflective of actual combat.
1. We already have that. It's called the B2 and we are also working on a flying wing
stealth drone that does exactly that already: shoot a barrage of missiles at BVR in
coordination with the F-35.
B-2 is unsuitable for this role owing to the location of its radar:
That said it has been proposed to use the B-1 for this role, which I think is a good
idea.
Drone idea is worth trying, though I'm skeptical of the ability to retain datalinks in an
electromagnetically challenged environment. And drones autonomously launching missiles could
be dubious–but this could be solved by wargaming (if its proven autonomous drones ID
targets better than human pilots, have at it).
2. Wrong. Just wrong. There are huge disadvantages to your flying wing idea. Stability
and maneuverability being just two, so they wouldn't be much use in visual range combat or
in a variety of other missions for which the F-35 was designed; the F-35 is a multi-role
fighter. It will do BVR just fine.
Stability not a concern with fly-by-wire and thrust vectoring (which the B-2 doesn't have
incidentally, yet is a stable bombing platform).
There is incidentally a trade-off between stability and maneuverability, hence why
fighters from the F-16 on have been designed to be inherently unstable.
But in any case you've been pooh poohing maneuverability here, citing the superiority of
BVR combat. If BVR is your goal, then you want a larger missile load, more powerful/sensitive
sensors, and increased stealth. A flying wing eliminates the issue with resonant effects (if
a vertical surface is less than eight times the size of a radar wavelength, it produces a
resonant effect).
The military design of the F-35 is pretty good. You're trying to cover this up by
pointing out an irrelevant fact – that there were economic considerations when
building the craft which applies to every military project ever conceived.
Well I suppose that's true, but whole JSF program would've been better if:
1 – STOVL had been left out
2 – Kinematic performance had been considered important
Have to agree with you: Soros, Browder, MSM owners, Pentagon contractors, and all other
sorts of scum are much bigger threat to the US than Putin, Un, Iranian Ayatollahs, Assad, and
many others. The enemy within is always more dangerous. Especially when that enemy has only
one loyalty: to his/her/its money.
Interesting, a few years ago Algeria had to have Russia redo the electronics in the Su
30′s that it bought because there was some Izraeli electronics in it.
You are forgetting thievery and corruption that provides cover for that thievery. Out of
every dollar spent in the U on "defense", at least 90 cents are stolen, some of the money is
used to buy "patriotic" politicians who pretend not to see the thievery.
No they don't pluck books off shelf . They watch the snippet cribbed from some internet
site on Fox TV /CNN and use it as evidence. That were the sources of evidences they offered
on Syrian using sarin gas.
Last air war between near peers was Vietnam. BVR combat was a total failure.
Radars and missiles have improved a lot since then of course, but so have
countermeasures.
There were BVR kills in Operation Mole Cricket 19 and Desert Storm, but fighting
incompetent Arabalonians doesn't count as near peer. And there were still WVR kills in those
campaigns.
Depending on ROE in a conflict or confused airspace, there will be a need to visually ID
targets on occasion.
The main thing that's changed about dogfighting is that heat seeking missiles can now lock
onto an aircraft from any angle (instead of just behind) and launch from high off boresight.
This makes instantaneous turning performance more importance than sustained turning
performance.
But like I said, if BVR missiles are now truly as miraculous as you think, then the F-35
is an improper design. In fact, so is the F-22 and more or less all other existing fighters.
The idea "fighter" of existing aircraft would be the Airbus A380 launching thousands of
missiles at once
BVR missiles also work just as well from the ground as the air (with some kinematic
disadvantages, and of course can't deal with attackers on the deck). Magical BVR missiles
suggest we should be building a lot more SAM systems.
I bring you the air superiority force of the future:
These senators may or may not be lunatics themselves. This does not change the fact that
they are bought and paid for puppets of lunatics, the US moneyed elites that dangerously
degenerated after 1991. The US used to be a decent country. Not anymore.
There was a joke about Czechoslovakia in the USSR: Czechoslovakia is the most peaceful
country on Earth, it does not interfere even in its own internal affairs. Puppet masters
change (Hitler, USSR, the US), but the policy stands.
i lived in the russian federation for several years (yuzhno sakhalinsk, 2011-2012). i don't
claim to be a russian expert, however, i did not detect any virulent comintern intent amongst
the russians with whom i was privileged to interact. for the most part, they seemed like
everyone else i have come across in my travels on this pitiable orb; they were simply trying
to get by, and were as capitalistic as any crony capitalist in america.
maybe someone with more foreign relations erudition, and experience than i could pen an
expositive on why there exists such animosity betwixt our nations, other than the all to well
known need for a bogeyman so as to facilitate u.s. world hegemony.
for a country which is broke, and which depends upon martial, and venal, intimidation to
achieve/sustain its aims, the impending comeuppance could be very humbling, and decisive.
As Ben Aris notes, the US Treasury Department has been ratcheting back on its sanctions
against Oleg Deripaska and Rusal, after the chaos it has caused in the international metals
market.
Aluminum has a unique market dynamic which other products with more fungible supply chains
don't share. Sanctions are a work in progress. Treasury has learned from the Rusal matter.
Henceforth it can collapse even bigger Russian companies like Gazprom, Rosneft and Lukoil
without much fear of a concomitant contagion. Oil and gas are the ultimate fungible
commodities.
However, as I have pointed out, the ultimate ability of the US to directly punish Russia
is limited; it has twice as many people as Iran, after all, and many times the economic
output
This is delusional. Russia is vastly more exposed than Iran, as it is more tightly wound
up in the western financial structures that the US created and controls. Russia's economic
output, measured in GDP, is the same size as New York City's. It has always been a question
of how far the US was willing to go to punish Russia. There are nuclear options in the US
quiver that can pretty much destroy the Russian economy. But so far the US has been applying
relatively trivial sanctions in the hopes that Russia would reform its conduct (I'm not
making a value judgement). But the perception that Trump has somehow been captured by Russian
intelligence has ratcheted things up.
Trade between Russia and the US is very limited.
It's not a question of trade between Russian and the US. It's a question of trade between
Russia and the world since the US controls the global economy.
Mr Fack , your ukraruina , your jojolistan , is the black hole of Europe , you want to set
Europe on ( atomic ) fire fot the benefit of the usa , and of your corrupted oligarcs .
No real country in Europe respects ukraruina , a very inmoral and stupid pseudocountry .
Ukraruina could have been a golden bridge between the EU and Russia ,and choosed instead to
be a blood trench for the benefit of the oligarcs of the usa . You are a cursed land .
Swarms of missiles? What? With the F-35 capacity of 4 AMRAAM? The ones that haven't been
upgraded, have been unreliable since at least 2016, and would be vulnerable to manuever
anyway? The twenty five plus year old missiles?
Stealth is only stealth to high fidelity radar, as in versus missile locks. That's great,
but low frequency radar will still reveal the location of aircraft for the purpose of general
location. So it's not really a "bolt from blue," which is much more of a ground to air
concept since IR missiles don't telegraph themselves like radar locks do.
Goodness, you are one thick POS.
As I have said before Cyrano is a serious intellectual .you on the other hand are a serious
cretin.
Seeing as it's that part of your menstruation cycle, I thought I would add another proof
of how fake "Ukrainian" history and language is. From a company yet again threatening the
collapse of Ukrainian infrastructure due to an oligarchic dispute:
As you can see the Ukrainian version is a waste of time, when the Russian version exists
..the whole fake language is a fabrication by lowlife scum Banderite tossers who escaped
bestiality charges in the 1940′s/50′s and fled to America/Canada
If Putin wants to retaliate by creating a destabilizing crisis in the USA, he could simply
admit that he has proofs that Trump COLLUDED with Russians operatives to affect the
election.
Trump will be removed and Mike Pence will take over throwing the USA in a deeper crisis.
Is Trump aware of this Damocles sword if he does not stop the Congress for escalating
sanctions?
There are theories, but the mass bueaucracy made some really strange results. In Vietnam,
ROE required visual confirmation of targets to use beyond visual range weapons. Weapons that
homed into flares because they produced "heat."
Well, that worked about as well as could be expected.
Well, no, Austria-Hungary gave an ultimatum: "do these in 48 hours or we'll go to war".
These demands are also unrealistic, but they are just pretext for new sanctions. It is very
unlikely that the US will take any military action against Russia. Russia responding to more
sanctions/economic warfare with attacking the West with nukes is also very unlikely.
It is also very unlikely that the people pulling the strings want WW3 with Russia. They just
found a convenient scapegoat and want to ramp up tensions with Russia not independently of
the game to bring down Trump for "colluding with Russia".
Face it, Russia is bound to lose an economic war, they cannot really retaliate without
hurting themselves. They could close the gas taps, but then they lose a lot of money. They
could close Russian airspace, but then they lose a lot of money too. They could deny Soyuz
seats to American astronauts, but the US has other options (not ready yet but they could get
them ready if really needed) etc. Russia is not a big economic player and never was one.
Regarding the sanctions the question is whether the EU will follow the US, probably yes, EU
companies are going to lose a lot of money, but they would lose much more if they are
punished by the US govt.
The US hawks think that they can bankrupt Russia like they did with the Soviet Union. The
question is how viable is Russian economy if mostly cut from the world economy including
finance and how tolerant will be the Russian people with the hardships. Looking at Iran, if
they could manage then Russia should be able to, but more hardships must be expected. Also
the government may do away with democratic pretensions and go full autocracy in the case of
popular unrest. And of course Russia will be dependent on China more than now. Why is it good
for the US if Russia becomes China's little bitch instead of a strategic ally against Chinese
expansion is another question. Rationally thinking China is the future geopolitical rival of
America and not Russia. But the people pulling the strings want to screw Russia bad, that is
their first goal, obviously, they feel ideologically fueled hatred for Russia beyond
strategic calculations.
Somehow a lot of comments here were deflected into a discussion of F-35 vs other fighters,
including Russian. I am not a technical expert, so I can comment only in general terms.
Overall, the technology in the US is more advanced. However, there is one huge difference
between Russian and American weapons: Russian ones are designed for the battlefield, whereas
American ones are design to maximize manufacturers' profits. To what extent does this
difference cancel technological potential in fighter planes, I don't know.
Why would Russia do that? The US is destroying itself more efficiently than any of its
enemies could ever achieve. Reminds me of a dark joke "if you see your enemy committing
suicide, do not interfere".
As a matter of fact, the USSR was not bankrupted. It was destroyed because the Party
elites wanted to steal a lot more than the Soviet system allowed. They succeeded, now they
are oligarchs, whereas the great majority of the population got screwed.
This is delusional. Russia is vastly more exposed than Iran, as it is more tightly wound
up in the western financial structures that the US created and controls
For now yes, but if forced to, it could leave those structures and survive without them.
Of course it wouldn't be pretty especially the transitional period.
But so far the US has been applying relatively trivial sanctions in the hopes that
Russia would reform its conduct (I'm not making a value judgement).
The idea that Russia would i.e. abandon the Crimea if sanctioned hard enough and such
"hopes" are delusional. A country that still sees itself as a great power and has a lot of
national pride is not going to make such concessions to the US. If Putin looks a wuss to the
Russian people he will fall more quickly than because of any sanctions. But I doubt that
there were even such hopes for real. The aim was always just to ratchet the hostility up with
Russia more and more, until a full blown cold war.
Americans see the Russians as greatness deniers. Their European lackeys are their
greatness-acknowledgers -- even when it's detrimental to their own survival.
If the world was a theater, Americans see themselves as the only performers -- the role of
the rest of the world is to applaud their performance.
Russia is not a part of the audience, it's not even a heckler. It's a performer, it has
always been, and a very talented one too. To try to demote them to the role of spectators, or
to try to usher them out of the concert hall can be suicidal, they have enough musical
instruments to put on a remarkable concert -- even if afterwards no one is left to
applaud.
"... Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, is the author of 10 books on international affairs, including ..."
"... Judith Miller was a pawn of Dick Cheney, so it is improper to indict all of the press for a war Bush was going to launch no matter what ..."
"... Well, you could say the same about the alleged Russian meddling in 2016 election. I haven't seen a single evidence, but most of the American public believes that narrative. I think TAC believes it too. ..."
"... How about those chemical attacks in Syria? Staged events. But the media keeps turning them time and again. I don't watch them and don't read them either, but they do have tremendous influence over the society. ..."
"... This is a pot calling a kettle black to deflect blame. If the US under Trump goes to war with Iran, China or Russia it's entirely his fault. He appointed Mike Pompeo. He appointed John Bolton. He appointed Nicky Haily. ..."
"... He wants to enlist Russia to fight the other two and possibly North Korea as well; enlist Russia to achieve the US's goals, not any Russian goal. This ambition is a pipe dream as Russia and the others correctly view the US as a much bigger threat than each other and will band together. If they turn on each other at all it'd only be after the US is defeated and subdued. ..."
"... The mainstream US media (CNN, FOX, Washington Post, NYT, WSJ, etc) is as intertwined with the government as the Chinese media is to theirs. Whatever narrative the powerful in government and their big business associates want to spin, the media will dutifully comply. The "press" is essentially a de facto government agency, and one cannot separate the government push for war from the medias. ..."
"... So, because the press were uncritical in pushing the lies and deceptions, the treason if you will, of the Bush administration in the run-up to the Iraq War, the press should be less critical of the lies and deceptions spread by the Trump administration. A bit like Fox News, perhaps. Uncritical of the Iraq War back when, uncritical of Trump today. ..."
"... There was more to the War on Iraq than Judith Miller. The entire national MSM abdicated its duty to ask questions of those in power. Instead, the NYT, the WaPo and others became dutiful stenographers of the Bush Administration, the Pentagon, and the intelligence agencies. ..."
"... For truly power is to sociopaths what cocaine is to addicts. ..."
"... Let the case of Yemen take the measure of these men and women. Trump is doing absolutely nothing to end Obama's War, and makes it worse at every turn. The press is doing everything it can to aid and abet him. Today's media might not start wars, the same media do absolutely nothing to end them. ..."
"... To Joe F: It's a bit hard in 900-word op-ed to cover more than a few examples. Others include the one-sided, pro-intervention coverage of the Balkan turmoil in the 1990s, the lobbying for intervention in Libya, and the distorted, pro-intervention coverage of the Syrian civil war. And your implication that I was justifying a Trump crackdown on the media is just bizarre. ..."
"... "The sometimes shrill hostility of the mainstream media towards Russia is pushing the United States toward an increasingly hardline policy that now borders on a second cold war. " ..."
"... Yes, the Press Helps Start Wars ..."
"... The Spanish / American war was a creation of the government in charge manipulating the press in order to justify the war the politicians so desperately wanted ..."
"... "Yes, the Press Helps Start Wars" Old news. Newspapers have been doing this despicable practice since Gutenberg invented the movable-type printing press. ..."
"... Media lies and distortions (mainstream, right-wing, left-wing, less so on one or both wings some of the time) enabled (or continue to enable) all of the following American imperialist adventures and/or interventions, be they military, financial, political or otherwise: ..."
"... Vietnam, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Iraq again, Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela and Nicaragua again. ..."
"... Hell, if much of the mainstream media -- including the liberal "humanitarian" interventionists at MSDNC- had their way, the US would have committed actual military acts of war against Russia and North Korea, as opposed to the economic and political ones we've engaged in. ..."
Two cases stand out: the Spanish-American War and the Iraq War. Historians have long recognized that jingoistic "yellow journalism,"
epitomized by the newspaper chains owned by William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer, played a significant role in the former
conflict. Months before the outbreak of the war, one of Hearst's reporters wished to return home from Cuba because there was no sign
of a worsening crisis. Hearst instructed him to stay, adding , "you
furnish the pictures, and I'll furnish the war."
Hearst's boast was hyperbolic, but the Hearst and Pulitzer papers did repeatedly hype the Spanish "threat" and beat the drums
for war against Madrid. They featured stories that not only focused on but exaggerated the uglier features of Madrid's treatment
of its colonial subjects in Cuba. Those outlets also
exploited
the mysterious explosion that destroyed the U.S. battleship Maine in Havana's harbor. To this day, the identity of the culprit
is uncertain, but the yellow press exhibited no doubts whatever. According to their accounts, it was an outrageous attack on America
by the villainous Spanish regime.
Such journalistic pressure was not the only factor that impelled William McKinley's administration to push for a declaration of
war against Spain or for Congress to approve that declaration. A rising generation of American imperialists wanted to emulate the
European great powers and build a colonial empire. That underlying motive became evident when the first U.S. attack following the
declaration of war came not in Cuba, but in the Philippines, Spain's colony on the other side of the Pacific.
Nevertheless, it would be naïve to assume that the jingoist press did not play a significant role in causing the war against Spain.
Indeed, the corrupt role of yellow journalism in creating public support for that conflict is not a particularly controversial proposition
among historians.
The role of an irresponsible press in shaping a pro-war narrative was even more evident in the prelude to the 2003 U.S. military
intervention in Iraq. New York Times reporter Judith Miller and other prominent mainstream journalists were especially culpable
in publicizing
erroneous information about Saddam Hussein's government regarding two emotionally charged issues. They uncritically circulated
"evidence" from Iraqi defectors and George W. Bush's administration that Iraq was in league with al-Qaeda and may well have had a
role in the devastating 9/11 terrorist attacks. And they pushed the case that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was actively
working on developing a nuclear arsenal.
Again, it would be too much to place all or even most of the blame for the disastrous Iraq war on gullible or ultra-hawkish journalists.
The Bush administration seemed determined to oust Saddam, and it might have attempted to do so even without strong public support.
But most of the media was staunchly pro-war, and that bias
greatly skewed the narrative
presented to the public. When highly respected journalistic institutions like TheNew York Times circulated story
after story highlighting the alleged security threat that Saddam posed, and those stories were then featured in other publications
and on TV, it was hardly surprising that much of the public believed the narrative. The tendency of mainstream media outlets to ignore
or marginalize war critics amplified their pro-war bias.
As is so often the case with Trump's arguments, his accusation that the press can cause wars is an exaggeration, but one that
contains an important kernel of truth. Irresponsible media coverage has undoubtedly strengthened public sentiment for ill-advised
wars in the past, and it could do so again in the future. The sometimes shrill hostility of the mainstream media towards Russia is
pushing the United States toward an increasingly hardline policy that now borders on a second cold war. The original Cold War nearly
escalated to a hot one on several occasions. The press needs to be doubly cautious about pushing policies that would send America
down a similar perilous path. Trump is wrong to brand the press as an enemy of the people, but it is still a powerful institution
that has not always used its great influence responsibly regarding matters of war and peace.
Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, is the author of 10 books
on international affairs, including The Captive Press: Foreign Policy Crises and the First Amendment .
An elitist corporate media has ends that are not often in sync with the interests of the mass of Americans and thus is a tool
for manufacturing faux public opinion. It is now legal to propagandize the American public, a recent development. With media ownership
concentration unprecedented, and government in the pocket of giant corporate interests, public opinion becomes an exercise of
monopoly lying.
The Spanish/American War and Judith Miller are the foundation for tour argument that the press starts wars? Good grief, how weak
is this? There are no Americans alive who were around for the Spanish American War and Judith Miller was a pawn of Dick Cheney,
so it is improper to indict all of the press for a war Bush was going to launch no matter what . How about the rest of the
conflagrations of the 20th Century or perhaps that would diminish your paper thin premise. I really enjoy TAC, but enough with
publishing these lazy and weak pieces. Lame to blame the press for what politicians of all stripes have wreaked upon us. Geez,
this wasn't even a quarter effort to make a point. You can actually make a point that the press contributed to our War of Independence,
but I guess that would glorify your boogeyman
Lame. Judith Miller and a war fought before any living American was born? What about all of the other unnecessary wars we have
tangled in? Bush et al were going to war with or without one lane shill in Miller, but what about press role in stopping Viet
Nam or Korea? Not to mention the role played in our War for Independence? Oh, that would shred your paper thin premise. TAC slacking
in allowing such lazy and self serving analysis. TAC should exercise better editorial judgement as some (like this post) are so
weak Facebook might delete. Step it up TAC, you are too good for this lazy bunk
Well, you could say the same about the alleged Russian meddling in 2016 election. I haven't seen a single evidence, but most
of the American public believes that narrative. I think TAC believes it too.
How about those chemical attacks in Syria? Staged events. But the media keeps turning them time and again. I don't watch
them and don't read them either, but they do have tremendous influence over the society.
The sad thing is that this or the next president will send troops to war here or there in the world and Americans will stay
indifferent.
This is a pot calling a kettle black to deflect blame. If the US under Trump goes to war with Iran, China or Russia it's entirely
his fault. He appointed Mike Pompeo. He appointed John Bolton. He appointed Nicky Haily.
Of the 3 potential adversaries listed above, there are 2 (Iran, China) where Trump is actively looking for a fight. He deliberately
breached an accord with Iran that was keeping the peace. The only country on which there's a disagreement about whether to pick
a fight with is Russia. But what is behind this disagreement? It's not that Trump is looking for a mutually-respectful peace with
Russia. He wants to enlist Russia to fight the other two and possibly North Korea as well; enlist Russia to achieve the US's
goals, not any Russian goal. This ambition is a pipe dream as Russia and the others correctly view the US as a much bigger threat
than each other and will band together. If they turn on each other at all it'd only be after the US is defeated and subdued.
I just watched Daniel Hoffman (ex-CIA operative) spout the most vile, one sided, pro-Saudi, anti-Iran propaganda, rationalizing
their latest war crime in Yemen on the Shannon Bream show. This demonstrates what is wrong with the MSM today.
They take information uncritically from the CIA, Pentagon, and govt bureaucrats to get the narrative which favors conflict.
List:
1. The bombing of Syria (the only time they gave Trump positive press coverage).
2. The destruction of Libya (they fell for the R2P lie)
3. The genocidal starvation campaign against Yemen (most transparent cover up ever, the 70's press corp would see through it)
4. They assisting Iraq 2 but this time in Iran.
The mainstream US media (CNN, FOX, Washington Post, NYT, WSJ, etc) is as intertwined with the government as the Chinese media
is to theirs. Whatever narrative the powerful in government and their big business associates want to spin, the media will dutifully
comply. The "press" is essentially a de facto government agency, and one cannot separate the government push for war from the
medias.
As was mentioned here, the lunacy that making internet memes is now considered an act of war is the doing of the mainstream
media and they are certainly responsible if a real war breaks out.
Around 1917 a remarkably unanimous push for war infused ALL media. Not just newspapers but technical journals and academic
publications. Teachers and radio experimenters had to read pro-war and pro-Wilson propaganda in EVERY article. All curricula had
to be anti-German, all circuits had to be anti-German.
Same today. All techy websites infuse BOMB RUSSIA into their info on software and hardware developments. Everything must work
together to BOMB RUSSIA.
It is worth noting that America's imperialist adventures in the Philippines resulted in a second war soon after, with between
200,000 and a million (or more) civilian casualties.
talk about 'yellow journalism'. in the 2042 years of the republic, you offer 2 examples? and it is worth noting, the latter (Iraq
2003) was simply the media reporting the cherry-picked intelligence and/or WH-directed narrative(s). while it's agreed the media
was something of a co-conspirator in 2003 (think the current "collusion" debate with Russia being the US and the Trump campaign
being the US media -- the former had a 'mission' and it leveraged its relationship with the latter.). to paraphrase the late George
Carlin, never believe ANYTHING the government or the media tells you. in a plutocracy, the government and the media share (some)
common interests -- not all interests, but some. no sir, the media does not start wars in truth or hyperbole. media, at times,
serves the marketing/business development needs of the MIC, and by proxy the government (usually the Executive Branch). when is
TAC going to show some "tough love" and stop the co-dependent/enabler stuff?
So, because the press were uncritical in pushing the lies and deceptions, the treason if you will, of the Bush administration
in the run-up to the Iraq War, the press should be less critical of the lies and deceptions spread by the Trump administration.
A bit like Fox News, perhaps. Uncritical of the Iraq War back when, uncritical of Trump today.
Truth is, Trump plays the press like a fiddle. He creates outrage saying something stupid, they publish, he walks back or doubles
down or pushes something completely unrelated, and before someone can figure what's going on, we're two days later and the next
controversy arrives. And if the press do manage to back Trump into a corner, it's unfair because they're misrepresenting his constantly
shifting positions.
What the American press should do is, instead of blowing things up (metaphorically, obvs), simply list every day the policies
of the Trump administration in terse, dry manner, and completely ignore any tweet sent by Trump, his cabinet, his family members,
and any of his supporters at any level. Deny Trump the attention he seeks, and before you know it he'll drop his pants in front
of a group of veterans just to make front page again.
Still, enemies of the people. When that phrase came in full swing, the lucky ones were shot, the unlucky ones sent to labour
camps in frozen wastes. Trump will never have the guts. Nor will he ever use his great influence in a responsible manner.
There was more to the War on Iraq than Judith Miller. The entire national MSM abdicated its duty to ask questions of those
in power. Instead, the NYT, the WaPo and others became dutiful stenographers of the Bush Administration, the Pentagon, and the
intelligence agencies.
Others correctly point out WWI and the Spanish American War. I could add Vietnam, when too few journalists questioned the dominant
narrative until we were stuck in.
However, rather than call for censorship, the correct answer is to ask *why* the executive, the Pentagon, and the various alphabet
agencies have this outsized influence, and what can be done to curtail it.
For truly power is to sociopaths what cocaine is to addicts.
@Mark_be: what you say is sensible, but only for an MSM that is not ratings and profits-driven.
The latest serving of the "let Putin win in Ukraine" propaganda line. Mr Carpenter's objection to the media he criticizes is that
they peddle a different propaganda line to the one he would like them to peddle.
Joe F " You can actually make a point that the press contributed to our War of Independence, but I guess that would glorify your
boogeyman"
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I think it did too, but I don't think that in any way glorified the press.
Let the case of Yemen take the measure of these men and women. Trump is doing absolutely nothing to end Obama's War, and makes
it worse at every turn. The press is doing everything it can to aid and abet him. Today's media might not start wars, the same
media do absolutely nothing to end them.
"I am providing a great service by explaining this to the American People. They purposely cause great division & distrust.
They can also cause War! They are very dangerous & sick!"
One can't really argue with any of this. Of course, this statement is silent on the warmongering of Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump,
as well as Congress past and present, but Trump is doing a great service to the American People, not least by serving as a bad
example. Few if any other politicians would be willing and able to trigger another overdue national debate.
The report referenced by the author has a hilariously revealing typo in its first sentence. Yes, recalling the US press coverage
of the push for illegal aggressive war against Iraq, and decades of Iraq/Syria/Iran coverage, it would indeed appear that our
intrepid for-profit press and the purveyors of rent-a-speech published opinion are "casing the joint" for future opportunities
of profitable military intervention.
To Joe F: It's a bit hard in 900-word op-ed to cover more than a few examples. Others include the one-sided, pro-intervention
coverage of the Balkan turmoil in the 1990s, the lobbying for intervention in Libya, and the distorted, pro-intervention coverage
of the Syrian civil war. And your implication that I was justifying a Trump crackdown on the media is just bizarre.
Similarly bizarre is Mark's interpretation that I was suggesting that because of the media's past sins, they should go easy
on Trump's abuses. No reasonable reading of the article could reach that conclusion.
"The sometimes shrill hostility of the mainstream media towards Russia is pushing the United States toward an increasingly
hardline policy that now borders on a second cold war. "
Many in the media, not all, give credence to the unanimous assessment of our intelligence agencies, the intelligence agencies
of our allies, and the evidence provided by their own eyes and ears. Others in the media are pushing another line, and with no
evidence whatsoever, as far as I can tell. Draw your own conclusions as to what they are up to.
The headline reads: Yes, the Press Helps Start Wars . I would argue that the word "helps" is doing most of the work in
that sentence. The real question is, who exactly are they "helping"? I think that in most, if not all, cases it starts with a
political party or faction that is advocating for war, and those elements of the press who support them use their voice to help.
So the same can be said about any political issue at all "Yes the press helps [fill in the blank with any issue]". Conservative
press helps push conservative issues, liberal press helps push liberal issues. And yes, when war drums are being beaten, it becomes
very easy for the warmongering voices to drown out the voices of reason. But that is not the fault of the press, it is the fault
of a population that is all too willing to let itself be led into war fever. The press would not be willing to take that position
if they were not so confident that it would be met with approval by their readers and advertisers.
1) The Spanish / American war was a creation of the government in charge manipulating the press in order to justify the war
the politicians so desperately wanted
2) If the author had taken the time to do the research or remember the facts as they were .. The NYTimes as well as the Washington
Post etc -- et al all reported how Cheney had manipulated the Intelligence Agencies with threats unless they lied to both the
public as well as GWB about Iraq having WMD .. which every intelligence agency knew they did not .
Given the time and space one could go on for an encyclopedias worth of pages pointing out the irrefutable fact as in F-A-C-T
that in each and every case throughout US history it has been the politicians that have started the wars .. with more often than
not the media ( as well as in many cases the military ) standing in opposition to the government and politicians which they the
press more often than not paid a heavy price for until they were willing to comply with the destructive wished of the politicians
The irony of Trump's comments about the press helping start wars is that he is intentionally facilitating that very thing every
time Fox "News" parrots his childish, jingoistic rhetoric about Iran, North Korea, etc.
Fox "News" is certainly trying to start wars, I'll give Mr. Carpenter that. And thank you for pointing out that there is only
a kernel of truth in Trump's comments. Does one kernel justify an entire article? Why not write about his barrels of lies?
I suppose the article has value as a history lesson-100-year-old history. After all, if the USA hadn't entered WWI, we may
not have had WWII. But the press didn't start WWI.
"Yes, the Press Helps Start Wars" Old news. Newspapers have been doing this despicable practice since Gutenberg invented the
movable-type printing press.
"I suppose the article has value as a history lesson-100-year-old history. After all, if the USA hadn't entered WWI, we may
not have had WWII. But the press didn't start WWI."
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The press operated in a similar way back then too. It didn't start WWI but it surely enabled it.
Media lies and distortions (mainstream, right-wing, left-wing, less so on one or both wings some of the time) enabled (or
continue to enable) all of the following American imperialist adventures and/or interventions, be they military, financial, political
or otherwise:
Vietnam, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Iraq again, Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela
and Nicaragua again.
I don't remember U.S. press coverage of Allende's Chile, but I imagine it was of a piece with today's coverage of Venezuela,
Brazil, Ecuador and Nicaragua, all the while ignoring the far greater corruption and brutality of America's regional allies/clients/lapdogs.
Hell, if much of the mainstream media -- including the liberal "humanitarian" interventionists at MSDNC- had their way, the
US would have committed actual military acts of war against Russia and North Korea, as opposed to the economic and political ones
we've engaged in.
Let us not forget the enthusiastic reporting on the "Gulf of Tonkin attack." As for those sneering at this because only two examples
are offered, consider reading that part where the author said he was going to offer -- wait for it -- TWO EXAMPLES.
As for that "kernel of truth," those in media sources not being paid to spew anti-Trump propaganda 24/7/365 have pointed out,
to no avail, that he often says things that are true. Unfortunately, he (or whoever is writing his stuff on Twitter) presents
the kernel buried in a pile of nonsense. Which gives the corporate media free rein to focus entirely on the nonsense to ensure
the kernel of truth gets killed at birth.
And no, I do NOT support Mr. Trump nor did I vote for him. He's the poster child for the corporate oligarchy currently . running
the US government, and the sooner he and all his ilk are removed the better. That includes corporate Democrats.
The substance of this piece is obviously correct, but you get the predictable caterwauling from silly commenters because you had
to frame it as a defense of something Trump said. That just confused the issue for people who can't hold more than one thought
in their heads at a time. Trump is a war criminal himself, so he should get no credit for saying something right once in a while.
He only does so for his own self interest. But it is ironic to see so called liberals react by taking the opposite side just because
Trump said something right.
Trump is spot on. Pretty much every single war since WWI was egged on by the media. War sells news! Enemy of the people is right.
I hate mainstream media.
CNN, MSDNC, Fox and all those 24hr news channels are the worst. They actively promote wars and chaos the world over. CNN is
losing the ratings war. I'm sure they'd love another real war to ratchet up the ratings, that's why they're promoting war with
Iran.
Excellent article. I agree with the author except that I would blame the press a little more.
One instance I can think of when a large part of the press advocated against going to war was at the start of the Civil War.
Lincoln shut down a few papers and I think even jailed some newspapermen.
In the end it is up to each of us as individuals to decide what to believe. Certainly a large swath of the media today is advocating
an aggressive stance toward a number of countries based on what I believe is false information.
Regarding an earlier comment about believing our intelligence agencies: Should we have believe them when they say (including
the Israeli Mossad)Iran has never had a nuclear weapons program or should we believe Netanyahu when he claims they say Iran can
have nuclear weapons within months. (In truth, I haven't really talked to Netanyahu or the Mossad directly. I only know what I
read in the papers.)
"Yes, the Press Helps Start Wars" -- this goes back at least to the American Revolution. "The vicious border warfare of the Revolution
produced atrocities on both sides, but Americans placed the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Indians and their British backers.
. . . Crawford's torture and execution joined a host of reports, real or imagined, that appeared in American newspapers, fueled
American propaganda, and made killing Indians a patriotic duty. Indians saw what was happening. The Americans charged them with
many acts of cruelty that they never committed and publicized them in 'their false Papers' as 'a pretence to hurt & murder us,'
they told the British; 'if we had the means of publishing to the World the many Acts of Treachery & Cruelty committed by them
on our Women & Children, it would appear that the title of Savages would with much greater justice be applied to them than to
us.'. . . When Washington received news of the preliminary terms of peace, he sent three Oneidas in the spring of 1783 with a
message to Brigadier General Allan Maclean, the British commander at Fort Niagara, asking him to prevent the Indians from committing
acts of cruelty 'disagreeable to them and to inhabitants of the United States.' Maclean wrote back in anger asking Washington
why, if he really wanted to prevent 'disagreeable consequences,' he had condoned attacks on Indians from Fort Pitt, and why did
he allow newspapers to print lies that were a disgrace to any nation and served only to inflame tempers?" (Colin G. Calloway,
"The Indian World of George Washington" (Oxford University Press, 2018) pp. 279, 281 (footnotes omitted).)
POTUS tweeted: "The Fake News hates me saying that they are the Enemy of the People only because they know it's TRUE. I am providing
a great service by explaining this to the American People. They purposely cause great division & distrust. They can also cause
War! They are very dangerous & sick!"
Ted's follow-up article "Yes, Reporters Do Get Sick."
"They uncritically circulated 'evidence' from Iraqi defectors and George W. Bush's administration "
That is your sole example of the past 100 years? That "the press helps start wars" by being uncritical of evidence provided
by the government? This is an intellectually dishonest argument.
Of course the press needs to be held to account in providing accurate and vetted material. But your argument in no way reflects
the definitive tone of the headline.
Laughing. Because I think most people understood what the president meant by his coment. He was not talking about the policy initiative
for war. Butas the article states, the press is overwhelmingly partners with ot agitators for conflict.
And they are second to government at every level to admit when they get it wrong. Of course the press agitates for conflict.
There's no btter examples in modern times than those of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. I would contend that the east coast papers
since 9/11 have been leaders in agitating for regime change and military intervention.
But the notion that the press is somehow new to advocating "american conflict" might wanty to consider the following acites:
I have not read Carrol Sue Humphrey's book on the subject, The American Revolution and the Press. But reviews and summaries
make it clear that as agitators -- the press may have been ,ore influential then than they are today.
After WWI there was revisionist literature etc galore, the USA people realised for what their
sons had died overseas, what culminated in Versailles, at the time seen as a jewish
conference.
Baruch and Frankfurter were there, the secretaries of Wilson, Clemenceau and Lloyd George
are said to have been jews.
Wilson had won the elections by money from Morgenthau sr, a Germany hater. The USA never
ratified Versailles, on the contrary, there came neutrality laws.
In 1932 Baruch financed the election of FDR, who had the problem of the neutrality laws.
As Sol Bloom, a friend of FDR writes 'the great accomplishment of FDR was that he slowly
prepared the USA people for war.
Beard explains it in detail. Anyone now can know the FDR deliberately provoked Pearl
Harbour, he needed an attack, at his 1940 elections he had promised 'not to send boys
oversees, unless the USA was attacked'.
In how far FDR already violated neutrality laws by using the USA Atlantic fleet for
escorting convoys, since Sept 1939, is not clear to me. Anyhow, with FDR began a new period
of USA belligerence, that continues to the present day, or stops at the present day, I still
hope that Trump ends it, therefore the hysteria at CNN, Washpost and NYT.
But, with Bolton, it is said that the neocons, jews, are back in the White House
David Sinclair, 'Hall of Mirrors', London, 2001
Henry Morgenthau, 'Ambassador Morgenthau's Story', New York, 1918
Sol Bloom, 'The Autobiography of Sol Bloom', New York 1948
Charles A. Beard, 'American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 -- 1940, A study in
responsibilities', New Haven, 1946
Charles A. Beard, 'President Roosevelt and the coming of the war 1941, A study in appearances
and realities', New Haven, 1948
Harry Elmer Barnes, ed., 'Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, A critical examination of the
foreign policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and its aftermath', Caldwell, Idaho, 1953
What the USA would have done had it not had jews is anybody's guess. The Monroe
Declaration, as a USA correspondent wrote me, still taught in 'glowing terms', is of 1820 or
so, in Europe is was seen as colonialism. Some Euopean countries considered waging war.
Manifest Destiny came around 1840. What seems sure to me that jews had little or nothing to
do with both.
The Civil War had little to do with slavery, secession was seen by Washington as Brexit
now by Brussels. At the time war was by shooting, war now is by economic measures.
The first USA imperial war was the Spanish war, also there I do not know of any jewish
influence.
But this was different in WWI, Morgenthau financed the campaign of Wilson. The USA never
was neutral in WWI, the British, at the time illegal, blockade of Germany by GB was
tolerated. Morgenthau hated Germany, his parents had left the country because of
antisemitism.
His 1918 book, anti German propaganda, inventing the German guilt for WWI, inventing the
Armenian genocide. Henry Ford, because of Baruch's control of USA industrial production for
war, called him 'the economic dictator of the USA'. Baruch's father or grandfather also left
Germany, because of militarism, around 1870, read: he did not want to fight for the country
in which he lived. So my conclusion, USA imperialism is not of jewish origin, but was
strenghtened by jews. It is weard that Zuese does not know these facts, or ignores them.
Am reading a book about jews in Visigothic Spain and Gaul, they indeed were persecuted,
anything was done to convert them to catholicism.
If one can blame jews in Visigothic Spain around 690 for a plot of letting Muslim warriors
in, difficult to judge. In 711 it succeeded.
Yet, jewish behaviour there then reminds me of jews in tsarist Russia, where no attempt
was made to convert them, and where, as Baruch's ancestor, jews also dodged military
service.
Henry Morgenthau, 'Ambassador Morgenthau's Story', New York, 1918
Heath W. Lowry, 'The story behind Ambassador Morgenthau's Story', Istanbul 1990
Alexander Solschenizyn, ´Die russisch- jüdische Geschichte 1795- 1916, >>
Zweihundert Jahre zusammen <<´, Moskau 2001, München 2002
Solomons Katz, 'The Jews in the Visigothic and Frankish Kingdoms of Spain and Gaul',
Cambridge 1937
Emperor Septimius Severus said to his sons: "Be harmonious, enrich the soldiers, scorn all
others"
This is the stage the American Empire is at today. Except now the "soldiers" include the
FBI, CIA and NSA. The deep state/permanent govt has the state security organs and Trump is
trying to hold on to the loyalty of the uniformed military.
"... Taxpayer-funded mass-slaughter is now routine and goes on year after year. ..."
"... "democracy" requires free access to unconstrained information. Otherwise the voter is like cattle free to chose which pre-determined path to take to the same slaughterhouse ..."
"... Wars being fought by the United States will continue to contribute to America's growing inequality, an issue that Washington is completely ignoring. ..."
"... In THE REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN it is laid out that the business of the U.S. is war and that war is good for business and war we shall have and so it is that we are a nation of war and as in Orwells 1984 the wars are not meant to be won, the wars are meant to be continual for the profit of the elites and we the proles are to suffer. ..."
"... The sheeple are not only lead to slaughter, they are made totally unaware of the fact. Sad. ..."
"... "Why didn't Putin simply restore Yanukovych to power and leave it at that?" -- Michael Kenny, why have not you asked Brennan, the former CIA director who traveled "secretly" to Kiev to "organize" the ongoing civil war in Ukraine? ..."
Donald Trump's biggest success, thus far into his Presidency, has been his sale of
$400
billion (originally $350 billion) of U.S.-made weapons to the Saudi Arabian Government,
which is owned by its royal family, after whom that nation is named. This sale alone is big
enough to be called Trump's "jobs plan" for Americans. It is also the biggest weapons-sale in
all of history. It's 400 billion dollars, not 400 million dollars; it is gigantic, and, by far,
unprecedented in world-history.
The weapons that the Sauds and their friends, the 7 monarchies that constitute the United
Arab Emirates, are using right now, in order to conquer and subdue Yemen, are almost entirely
made in America. That's terrific business for America. Not only are Americans employed, in
strategically important congressional districts (that is, politically important congressional
districts), to manufacture this equipment for mass-murdering in foreign lands that never
threatened (much less invaded) America, but the countries that purchase this equipment are
thereby made dependent upon the services of those American manufacturers, and of the
taxpayer-funded U.S. 'Defense' Department and its private military contractors such as Lockheed
Martin, to maintain this equipment, and to train the local military enforcers, on how to
operate these weapons. Consequently, foreign customers of U.S. military firms are buying not
only U.S. weapons, but the U.S. Government's protection -- the protection by the U.S. military,
of those monarchs. They are buying the label of being an "American ally" so that the U.S. news
media can say that this is in defense of American allies (regardless of whether it's even
that). American weapons are way overpriced for what they can do, but they are a bargain for
what they can extract out of America's taxpayers, who fund the U.S. 'Defense' Department and
thus fund the protection of those monarchs: these kings and other dictators get U.S. taxpayers
to fund their protection. It's an international protection-racket funded by American taxpayers
and those rulers, in order to protect those rulers; and the victims aren't only the people who
get slaughtered in countries such as Afghanistan, and Iraq, and Libya, and Syria, and Yemen,
and Palestine, but also (though only financially) are the American public, who get fleeced by
it -- the American public provide the bulk of the real funding for this operation to expand the
lands where America's allies rule, and so to serve both America's aristocracy and the
aristocracies that are America's allies.
This is how today's America enforces its 'democracy' around the world, so that America can
spread this 'democracy', at gunpoint, and at bomb-point, like America's allies, those Kings and
Emirs, and the apartheid regime in Israel, are doing, to the people whom they kill and conquer,
with help from the taxpayer-funded American military -- funded to protect those aristocrats,
against their respective publics, and to further enrich America's own aristocrats, at the
expense of America's own public.
The global 'aggressor' has been identified by America's previous President, Barack Obama ,
who won office like Trump did, by promising 'a reset' in
relations with post-communist Russia, and by mocking Obama's opponent (Mitt Romney) for
having called Russia "the number one geopolitical
foe" -- which America's aristocracy has historically considered Russia to be, ever since
the aristocracy in Russia fled and were killed in 1917, which caused America's and other
aristocracies to fear and hate Russia and Russians, for having ousted its aristocracy, this
being an act that aristocrats everywhere
are determined to avenge, regardless of 'ideology' . (Similarly, America and its
pro-aristocracy foreign allies, seek to avenge Iran's 1979 overthrow of the Shah.) As Obama's
own actions during his subsequent Presidency made clear, and as he already had started in 2011
(if not from day one of his Presidency) secretly to implement, he privately agreed with what
Romney said on that occasion, but he was intelligent enough (which his opponent obviously was
not) to recognize that the American public, at that time, did not agree with it but instead
believed that Islamic terrorists and aristocrats such as the Sauds who finance them are that);
and Obama took full advantage of his opponent's blunder there, which helped Obama to win a
second term in the White House (after having skillfully hidden from the public during his first
term, his intention to weaken Russia by eliminating leaders who were friends or even allies of
Russia, such as in Syria, and Ukraine).
This is American 'democracy', after all ( rule
by deceit, lies ), and that's the reason why, when Russia, in 2014, responded to the U.S.
coup in Ukraine (a coup under the cover of anti-corruption demonstrations) which coup was
taking over this large country next-door to Russia and thus constituted a deadly threat to
Russia's national security,
Obama declared Russia to be the world's top 'aggressor' . Obama overthrew Ukraine and then
damned Russia's leader Putin for responding to Obama's aggressive threat against Russia from
this coup in neighboring Ukraine. Russia was supposedly the 'aggressor' because it allowed the
residents of Crimea -- which had been part of Russia until the Soviet dictator in 1954 had
arbitrarily handed Crimea to Ukraine -- to become Russian citizens again, Russians like 90% of
them felt they still were, despite Khrushchev's transfer of them to Ukraine in 1954. The vast
majority of Crimeans felt themselves still to be Russians. But Obama and allies of the
U.S. Government insisted that the newly installed Government of Ukraine must rule those people;
those people must not be permitted to rule (or be ruled) by people they've participated in
choosing.
This is today's American 'democracy' . Is it also
'democracy' in America's allied countries? (Obviously, they are more democratic than America
regarding just the incarceration-rate; but what about generally?) Almost all of those countries
continue to say that America is a democracy (despite the proof that it is not), and that
they are likewise. Are they correct in both? Are they allied with a 'democracy' against
democracy? Or, are they, in fact, phonies as democracies? These are serious questions, and
bumper-sticker answers to them won't suffice anymore -- not after invading Iraq in 2003, and
Libya in 2011, and Syria right afterward, and Ukraine in 2014, and Yemen today, etc.
Please send this article along to friends, and ask for their thoughts about this. Because,
in any actual democracy, everyone should be discussing these issues, under the prevailing
circumstances. Taxpayer-funded mass-slaughter is now routine and goes on year after year. After
a few decades of this, shouldn't people start discussing the matter? Why haven't they been?
Isn't this the time to start? Or is America so much of a dictatorship that it simply won't
happen? We'll see.
I am very tired of the limp dick gutter trash that passes for leadership in this country
trying to tell the rest of the world what they can and cant do. The Orange Clown is too big
for his britches and is doing the donkey for his Jew Israeli gang. This is not America First.
China, Germany defend Iran business ties as U.S. sanctions grip
Reuters•August 08, 2018
BEIJING/BERLIN (Reuters) – China and Germany defended their business ties with Iran
on Wednesday in the face of President Donald Trump's warning that any companies trading with
the Islamic Republic would be barred from the United States. The comments from Beijing and
Berlin signaled growing anger from partners of the United States, which reimposed strict
sanctions against Iran on Tuesday, over its threat to penalize businesses from third
countries that continue to operate there. "China has consistently opposed unilateral
sanctions and long-armed jurisdiction," the Chinese foreign ministry said. "China's
commercial cooperation with Iran is open and transparent, reasonable, fair and lawful,
not...
Turkey to continue buying natural gas from Iran despite U.S. sanctions
ANKARA (Reuters) – Turkey will continue to buy natural gas from Iran in line with
its long-term supply contract, Turkey's energy minister said on Wednesday, a day after U.S.
President Donald Trump threatened that anyone trading with Iran will not do business with
America. NATO member Turkey is dependent on imports for almost all of its energy needs and
Iran is a key supplier of Ankara's natural gas and oil purchases. While the Turkish refiner
Tupras has already cut back on oil shipments from Tehran, a complete halt of energy imports
would be near impossible. Energy Minister Fatih Donmez told A Haber broadcaster that he
expected Ankara's talks with Washington on the issue to yield a positive outcome.
"democracy" requires free access to unconstrained information. Otherwise the voter is
like cattle free to chose which pre-determined path to take to the same slaughterhouse
I am in no position to contest much of the author's detail on matters of peripheral interest
to me like Ukraine but I have an honest and expert source of information which makes me
understand the unmentioned fact that, apart from the Crimeans, there is a very solid body of
Ukrainians including those whose first language is Russian whose main objective would be for
Ukraine to be and remain independent of Russia.
Correspondingly the idea that Yanukovich was
"democratically elected" is humbug coming from someone who – rightly in my view –
denies America's democratic credentials.
LOL, Justin Trudeau is having a row with Saudi Arabia for jailing a female activist. But he
care less about civilian being mascaraed in Yemen, especially children (school bus) being
bombed .
democracy requires more; it also requires voting power..
IN USA controlled America, Americans are not allow to vote on law at all and for law
maker[Pharaoh directed slave drivers of Americans] each voter gets to check on the ballot
whether he, she or it prefers the donkey Pharaoh or the Elephant Pharaoh to rule America by
selecting (voting for) the next slave driver office holder. Real candidates selected by
Americans in a true democracy do not happen.
Secondly, 527 positions in the USA are filled by voting outcome,
Americans can Corporations and Foreigners can fund these guys
vote for 1 to be your
next slave driver
1 President Republican Candidate Democrat Candidate
1 V Pres. Republican Candidate Democrat Candidate
1 Senator Republican Candidate Democrat Candidate
1 Senator Republican Candidate Democrat Candidate
1 member of the House Republican Candidate Democrat Candidate
that's a total of five votes, each voter can caste, but there are 527 jobs to be
filled?
you vote is limited, what you say is ignored., what you are allowed to know or hear about
is
directed by private media corporations and highly paid psychologist and professional
intelligence people.
Think about it, Americans have no power to control how they are Governed or whot
will inflict the next pain Americans will be made to suffer, nor are Americans allowed
access to the information needed to understand the environment or the issues important
to that environment in which they live. True in many countries.
Seems to me there are two prisons in America:
the larger unconfined prison and
the highly confined jails.
The occupants of each are under 24/7 surveillance,
not by government but by private corporations.
Neither is given access to important information, and
those in the unconfined prison are threatened each day with confinement
should the thoughts or behaviors of the threatened challenge those in control of the
system.
The article is about Militarization of our economy, but that too is not within
the control of Americans. Militarization is dictated by private corporations
and their Pharaoh owners; it is they who control the USA, and it is the USA
that Controls Americans in accord to the directives given by the Pharaohs.
The Zionist controlled U.S. gov is in the war business and has been ever since the Zionists
took control of the U.S. via their privately owned money creation machine know as the FED and
their IRS in 1913 so once they had the ability to create money out of thin air and the
ability to tax Americans to pay for the debts that war incurred, the Zionists had control of
America lock stock and gun barrel.
All the wars that the U.S. has been in since and including WWI and right down to the war
in Syria , have been Zionist banker created wars and all the millions of lives lost and the
trillions in debt from these wars can be laid at the feet of the Zionists who control every
facet of the U.S. gov, and as said by General Smedley Butler in his book War Is A Racket, and
that is what war is a Zionist racket.
In THE REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN it is laid out that the business of the U.S. is war and
that war is good for business and war we shall have and so it is that we are a nation of war
and as in Orwells 1984 the wars are not meant to be won, the wars are meant to be continual
for the profit of the elites and we the proles are to suffer.
Good God, what a hysterical rant! It's hardly worth bothering with the details but just a few
points for the heck of it. He says that the Ukrainian coup "constituted a deadly threat to
Russia's national security" but doesn't explain why that, even if true, gave Putin the right
to invade Ukraine and annex part of its territory. Why didn't Putin simply restore Yanukovych
to power and leave it at that? By the way, Ukraine has never at any time applied for EU
membership.
MSM are doing their job of keeping Americans in the dark about anything of consequence. The
State Department just posted on its site proposed new "sanctions" on Russia that essentially
amount to a declaration of war. Lunatic asylum is the most appropriate place for the whole
American "leadership", down to the last man/woman/tranny. The only thing that stands between
us and WWIII, which would be a suicide of humanity, is unbelievably cool and reasonable
position of Russian leadership.
But Americans are kept in the dark entirely, distracted with BS stories. The top "news" on
the CNN site: "2 police officers among 4 killed in Canada shooting; a suspect is in custody";
"Ex-Ohio state wrestler clarifies comment about congressman's awareness of abuse". As if any
of this would matter when nuclear missiles start flying.
The sheeple are not only lead to slaughter, they are made totally unaware of the fact.
Sad.
Do some research, there is plenty of information available for example Wall Street and the
Bolshevik Revolution by Anthony Sutton, can be had on Amazon.
So much irritation but zero refutation. The article certainly struck a nerve in an
"Intelligent Dasein," a supporter of Zio-Nazism.
Meanwhile, here is a rational approach towards war reparations: http://www.voltairenet.org/article202370.html
"'the conflict that took place in Syria is a war of aggression organized by transnational
financial interests – such as the investment fund KKR, Toyota, the global leader of
Cement Lafarge, etc. Therefore it must be the transnationals involved and the States that
worked with them that have to pay the damages."
The Jewish State must be unquestionably included in the list of "organized interests"
guilty of the war of aggression and war crimes in Syria, which resulted in a massive loss of
life and tremendous damage to Syrian infrastructure. Considering the sheer number of the
war-cheerleaders among Israel-firsters and the influence of ziocons (the Jewish Lobby) on the
US policies abroad, Israel owes a lot to Syria.
This is not some sort of inventive claims peddled by Holo-biz, but a fact-based demand that
must be honored by the aggressors.
Every time a "chosen" makes a noise about "uncomparable sufferings" he/she must be reminded
of the Jewish crimes in Russia, Ukraine, Syria, and Gaza Ghetto.
I do mean rational factually supported arguments. But creationists and adepts of any other
system of baseless beliefs, including various religions, communism, Nazism, etc., should be
also allowed to air their arguments, however ridiculous they are. Let everyone show his/her
true colors. Smart people will see through any BS, whereas fooling the fools is not a crime,
the fools exist to be fooled, often by other fools.
Censorship is an admission that you have no arguments. That's why Western MSM are so
heavily censored.
"Why didn't Putin simply restore Yanukovych to power and leave it at that?" -- Michael Kenny, why have not you asked Brennan, the former CIA director who traveled
"secretly" to Kiev to "organize" the ongoing civil war in Ukraine?
How old are you to ask such a naive question, 7 or 97?
Do you understand how much $5 billion is? -- This is how much the zionized US government had
invested in regime change in Ukraine.
The rationale for the anti-Russian sanctions carries, of course, a "humanitarian" touch:
bad Russia is punished by the righteous US for the alleged poisoning of Skripals. There is
zero evidence to support the US/UK verdict re Skripals
Here is what is left of the formerly alive and healthy children after the "righteous" US had
sent a "legitimate" "humanitarian" help in the kids' direction:
Typical of the "defenders of human rights". The "shining city on a hill" did the same in
Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and countless other
countries. As Madeleine Albright put it, the death of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it.
The US is always more arrogant, as opposed to super-hypocritical Europe. Hard to tell what's
worse.
If this article were any more poorly written, it would be banned by the FDA. The
repetitious, tub-thumping tone should not be consumed while driving or operating heavy
machinery.
Agree. Promising topic, disappointing delivery.
Just the usual, shallow, propaganda.
Simply a very bad article.
"Following an attack this morning on a bus driving children in Dahyan Market, northern
Saada, (an ICRC-supported) hospital has received dozens of dead and wounded," the
organisation said on Twitter without giving more details.
In a statement carried by the official Saudi Press Agency, the coalition called the strike
a "legitimate military action"
The Comment section:
"The US provides the in-flight refueling that makes these bombing sorties possible. The
"Five Eyes" provides the surveillance that picks the targets, and the navigation to hit
them.
KSA is doing precisely what the AZ Empire requires of it. Just as the British Royals and
their banker sponsors dictated over a century ago, so does the Empire direct these heinous
crimes today.
If the Saud Royals ever did go "rogue," they'd be taken out just as the AZ [American
Zionist] Empire has done time and time again."
"There is also the documented presence of American forces and officers in the operations room
of the Saudi coalition." https://twitter.com/abcdaee198/status/1027649243568386055
"Why is it that the Zionist media were up in arms every time White Helmets were digging
Syrian children out of rubble or dousing them with hoses? Dozens of children were slaughtered
in Yemen, and many more maimed and injured and hundreds of thousands are being subjected to
famine but there's only deafening silence on the Zionist-run media."
"Imagine the reaction if the Russians or Syrians had blown up a busload of kids."
-- On the same topic: Israel demanded -- and BBC changed its headline. In a headline, BBC
claimed that "Israeli air strikes 'kill pregnant woman and baby.'" After some time, BBC
changed its title to "Gaza air strikes 'kill woman and child' after rockets hit Israel:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/250275
Which means that he is not a real fighter. Just a "very flexible" pretender.
Notable quotes:
"... Trump was no revolution and has been little deviation from the norm. The hyperventilating diaspora not withstanding, nobody would know he was anything but another middle of the road neocon with a bit more hawkish immigration policy (that he never intends to implement). ..."
"... And while many of us are amused with some of his antics, President Trump seems at other times to be evolving into a caricature of the anti-PC candidate. Remember the hijacking of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, with bigots and flakes becoming the faces of the organizations in the mass media? The Establishment may in the same way be using Trump to discredit the views of those who voted for him. ..."
"... , on the stupidity of his picks for underlings. He has total responsibility for most of the Feral Gov. bureaucracy, and you don't start off picking people that are against you. ..."
"... In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class. Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider. ..."
"... A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won't fulfill any of his election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics." ..."
"... Trump's behavior is very obviously conflicted, but I don't think it's because he doesn't know his own mind. My working hypothesis is that he's making some effort to carry out his platform (very unlike Obama), but that behind-the-scenes forces are resisting mightily. ..."
"... Maybe it is right that Trump is just the latest iteration of Obama, a sop to our nation's discontent. But what choice did we have other than to support him and hope for the best? He does seem increasingly under neocon influence. ..."
Many of Trumps worst problems are the result of his own egregious choices. Such as the
appointment of obvious Deep State apparatchiks to Cabinet and advisory positions, allowing
GOP Inc sycophants such as Ryan, McConnell, Graham and others to ride rough shod over his
campaign promises. Playing good cop to the bad cop Deep State, with Russia. Taking a
belligerent stance with North Korea, Iran, China and the EU.
I strongly suspect he is playing a Nationalist swamp drainer to his base, while in reality he
is a Deep State Globalist.
No fighter of the establishment would make such stupid mistakes as Trump has.
the establishment elites of both parties, who have also not given up on a foreign
policy of using America's economic and military power to attempt to convert mankind to
democracy .
Really, Pat? Surely you know they are trying to convert mankind to Globalism/Bolshevism,
as the rest of your article makes clear. But for some reason Pat feels compelled to put some
stupid lie like this in every article. Cognitive dissonance? Or an effort to keep getting
invited to the DC Club Parties?
"The terrible and fateful events that befell our wonderful and tragic homeland, are carried
as a searing and purifying fire on our souls.
In this fire are burnt the false basis, the errors and prejudices on which the ideology of
the former Russian intelligensia were built. On these basis it was impossible to build
Russia; these falsehoods and prejudices led her to decay and death."
Ivan Ilyin, On Fighting Evil by Force
I hope he is only doing this because he thinks he needs to go slow and play along
sometimes because of all the swamp dwellers aligned against him. However, it is allowing the
swamp to run the clock out on him. It is also allowing the intelligence community to avoid
the shake up it needs and force his foreign policy into something the people don't want.
If he truely is willing to fight the swamp, there will come a time when he can fight and
the swamp won't have any bullets left. However, it doesn't help when he continues to agree
with the swamp that the Russians are meddling in our elections.
Trump was no revolution and has been little deviation from the norm. The hyperventilating
diaspora not withstanding, nobody would know he was anything but another middle of the road
neocon with a bit more hawkish immigration policy (that he never intends to implement).
Global flavela bazaar neoliberalism for everyone is the revolution and it is still on
schedule everywhere outside of the Visegrad.
Don't forget that he has chosen Bolton, Giuliani, Haley
Linh Dinh not only called the election months out, but explained that President Trump,
like President Obama, would amount to nothing more than a vent pipe for a different group of
gullible Americans.
I, too, said that Mr. Trump neither believed nor would act effectively on much of what
many of us here loved hearing in those speeches written by young Mr. Miller. I encouraged
people not to vote, and was accused of doing so to help Jeb, then Hillary.
It sounds like you may be coming to see things differently than you did in 2016.
And while many of us are amused with some of his antics, President Trump seems at
other times to be evolving into a caricature of the anti-PC candidate. Remember the hijacking
of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, with bigots and flakes becoming the faces of the
organizations in the mass media? The Establishment may in the same way be using Trump to
discredit the views of those who voted for him.
AGREED, on the stupidity of his picks for underlings. He has total
responsibility for most of the Feral Gov. bureaucracy, and you don't start off picking people
that are against you.
I don't suspect Trump is a Globalist at heart, though. He may be under tremendous pressure
of some sort by the Deep State to ACT LIKE one.
Remember Ross Perot!
No, I always knew that Trump might not be everything we hoped. I just knew that only he
could beat Hillary. Anybody else but Trump or Cruz and we would already have that Luis
Gutierrez amnesty for 30 million illegals and 100 million more put on the fast track.
"In 2008, Obama was touted as a political outsider who will hose away all of the rot and
bloody criminality of the Bush years. He turned out to be a deft move by our ruling class.
Though fools still refuse to see it, Obama is a perfect servant of our military banking
complex. Now, Trump is being trumpeted as another political outsider.
A Trump presidency will temporarily appease restless, lower class whites, while serving as
a magnet for liberal anger. This will buy our ruling class time as they continue to wage war
abroad while impoverishing Americans back home. Like Obama, Trump won't fulfill any of his
election promises, and this, too, will be blamed on bipartisan politics."
I don't know what your point is? Are you saying we should not have voted or chosen
somebody we know could not win? What is the point of crying that Trump is a bad guy when
there was no other choice?
I don't suspect Trump is a Globalist at heart, though. He may be under tremendous
pressure of some sort by the Deep State to ACT LIKE one. Remember Ross Perot!
It is probable he is under threat from the Deep State, but he should have known that going
in.
The Deep State probably has an unbreakable hold on our government at least by electoral
means. Other means will be needed to crush it.
If he truely is willing to fight the swamp, there will come a time when he can fight and
the swamp won't have any bullets left.
I wish that were true, but I believe the Deep State is so entrenched in our government (it
is the government) that it will not be destroyed by electoral means.
" Who says current values -- some of them deeply evil " "Think about the money we could save and make."
So says the materialist flesh-bot from the Cato Institute in regard to open borders. I'm
assuming the libertarian is okay with the attempt at mainstreaming transgenderism and the
sexualization of children by cultural Luciferians. I'd guess the freedom fighter views
transhumanism as a positive evolutionary step. I'm sure the liberty lover will fit right into
the synthetic/organic hive-mind that will be the result.
Nonsense, Trump and the altright have forced the J-Left to accelerate their plans, tipping
their hands and awakening a lot more people. Thousands will flock to our banner over Sarah
Jeong alone.
The best thing about Pat Buchanan is that, nowadays at least, he's always polite. His is
an example that all of us should take to heart while we still can: Not insulting your
adversary is the first step to bringing him onto your side.
Pat isn't always absolutely frank in his supporting points or in his framing of a
political objective, but then he's not the kind to give up when the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor
either.
The elites have always been the enemies of the people throughout history, in every country.
From the pharaohs of Egypt to the Patricians of Rome, the British aristocracy, the European
monarchies, the Bolsheviks, Soviet Politburo, Chinese princelings to the present day tech
plantation owners, Wall Street billionaires and political elites, these people will do
everything they can to maintain their elitism, if everyone else has access to what they have,
namely money and power, they wouldn't be elite anymore.
It's why democracy does not work. Anyone who can get elected president has to come from
the elites or have wide support of the elites, like Obama. Those who are rich enough to run
their own campaigns, like Trump, is already by definition an elite. Can you trust an elite to
look out for the masses? Not since time immemorial.
Trump campaigned on no more foreign wars and no more illegal immigration, America First.
Two years on and we continue to have wars everywhere, last year we granted more OPT for
foreign grads than at any time in history, he hasn't done jack on H1b, has increased H2b,
still allows H1b spouses to work, no cut on legal immigration, and managed to completely fuck
up healthcare. If it's truly bipartisanship that tripped him up, you wouldn't know it judging
by the umpteen Cohens from Wall Street in his cabinet, and his backing of RINOs like Ryan and
neocons like Pence, Bolton and Haley. Instead of focusing all his energy fighting the Deep
State, he's trying to start a war with Iran. What the fuck do we care about Iran? Trump's
true identity and intention are in doubt. His biggest problem is he lacks principles. There's
only so much you can trust a guy who got rich working almost exclusively with shysters.
America is going through our own Bolshevik revolution, but too many are either unaware,
apathetic or too afraid to speak out.
In deeper over his head than the former community organizer/ constitutional scholar (wow,
what a resume!) fool Øb☭ma? Yeah, there's a lot going on, but picking the right
underlings should not be hard for a businessman – delegation of work is a big part of
the job.
Did you read the post about Mr. Ross Perot? What happened back in 1992 was pretty damn
strange, looked at with the understanding I have now.
You are right, David. Mr. Buchanan is VERY polite. He's as civil as he can be, as if this
were 1985 and the more American-oriented GOP was quibbling over the budget with the more
American-oriented Democrat party in some committee hearings. I've written this before a
couple of times regarding Pat Buchanan:
IT! IS! NOT! 1985! The people we are dealing with will absolutely NOT come to our side if
we treat them nice. It just greatly encourages their stupidity when you are polite and try to
be understanding (unless they are, which is NEVER). David, you are under the highly erroneous
impression that you are dealing with people who are sane. I hate to break it to you this time
of night, but our enemies are deeply insane.
I hope this reply was respectful enough to you, though, David.
Reportedly Richard Spencer created the term "alt-right".
Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978) is president of the National Policy
Institute, as well as Washington Summit Publishers. Spencer rejects considers himself a white
nationalist or white identitarian. Spencer created the term "alt-right", which he considers a
movement about "white identity". Spencer advocates white-European unity and a "peaceful
ethnic cleansing" of nonwhites from America, criticizes Euroskepticism, and advocates the
creation of a white ethno-state that would be open to all "racial Europeans", which Spencer
considers a reconstitution of the Roman Empire.
Spencer sounded as dumb as a brick on Dinesh Joseph D'Souza's new movie, 'Death of a
Nation', but I suppose that a director can make anybody look the fool, with their edits.
a) Watching the smugness of Hillary and the MSM disappear on election night: by itself worth
the price of admission.
b) Using twitter to go over the heads of the pearl-clutching MSM.
c) Seeing the partisanship in the intelligence community exposed, especially the FBI.
d) Trying to have a formal rather than discretionary immigration policy.
e) Restricting immigration from Mideast countries with radicals.
f) Seeing him try to get along with Putin.
g) International independence in foreign policy.
h) Shutting down the trans-oceanic secret trade treaties and reexamining trade.
i) Just talking to Kim il-Sung
j) Covfefe, because it upsets prudes.
What I haven't liked about Trump:
a) Even more sanctions on Russia.
b) Losing his original advisers to neocon types, one by one.
c) Implacable hostility toward Iran.
Ambiguities in Trump's behavior:
a) Saying he doesn't trust the intelligence community, then retracting.
b) Sanctions, Syrian bombings and military buildup while trying to have talks.
Trump's strange political decisions:
a) What is Jared Kushner?
b) Why didn't he fight Flynn's resignation?
c) Why did he appoint Mueller & Rosenstein?
d) Why did he appoint Pompeo & Bolton?
Trump's behavior is very obviously conflicted, but I don't think it's because he doesn't
know his own mind. My working hypothesis is that he's making some effort to carry out his
platform (very unlike Obama), but that behind-the-scenes forces are resisting mightily. In
some cases I think he's being worn down, in others, I think he's being subjected to very
heavy pressure to avoid and even walk back certain policies. Why did he get rid of his
campaign policy advisers, why did he make politically hostile appointments in the FBI and
Justice, why did he appoint advisors who hold stated positions contrary to his? What made him
retract what he said about trusting intelligence agencies? These were the same guys who let
911 happen after all.
I wouldn't necessarily be happy if he succeeded with all his goals. However, it seems that
every time he tries to do something, massive political barriers and MSM hostility are thrown
up in front of him*. So, I do think that he's fighting the deep state, that the situation is
pretty much revealing how it works, as I'd hoped. There's a chance that he might do some
effective swamp-draining eventually, but we're still in the shallow end.
*With the unfortunate exception of Iranian sabre-rattling.
Buchanan's discussion of the Pundits' opinion starkly exposes their elitist arrogance:
For free trade is always and ever a "win-win for trading partners."
Maybe for the trading partners, but what about the rest of the population? But the most
revealing is:
Who says America's current values -- some of them deeply evil -- are the right ones?
That'd be the people, wouldn't it? And who exactly are the "we" here:
"Think about the money we could save and make." This is truly economics uber alles,
economy before country.
Buchanan reveals a bad attitude: imagine suggesting that money might not be the
bottom line.
But of course the Globalists are plotting; what would make them stop? My money is
on the Kalergi-Coudenhove Plan, formed in 1924, for the Jewish people to rule Europe, based
on lame excuses derived from eugenics theories that make Hitler's racial policies look
positively enlightened. After you've had a chance to look it up, and you stop laughing that
such a preposterous idea could possibly get enough traction to last beyond the next day's
hangover, see this link: https://uia.org/s/or/en/1100019566 , and then search
for the Coudenhove-Kalergi prize recipients in 2010 and 2012. This mad project is about to
survive its centennial.
When you learn what true free trade is you will learn to appreciate the
benefits.
Substitute communism for free trade and it's true believers say the same thing about their
imaginary utopia. Hell, why stop there, put in any ISM you want and get the same thing.
When you learn what true free trade is you will learn to appreciate the benefits.
or else? It's not even clear that "true free trade" is possible, or what it is, for that
matter. The term is a propaganda meme: it's emotionally evocative but linguistically vague.
It's not at all clear what specific policies (i.e., legislation) are being advocated.
Buchanan criticised consequences of the agreements that we have , not hypotheticals
with consequences we'd like to have. The former may have been good for the traders, but they
haven't been beneficial for the middle class, nor the nation at large.
My working hypothesis is that there are three forces at play:
1. Trump with his own agenda – MAGA, terminate wars, stop globalisation
2. Zionist radical globalists
3. Zionist MAGA sympathisers
No. 3 are of course really still Israel-firsters and don't care much about America, but
they do realise that the radical globalist agenda undermines U.S. power, which is causing the
U.S. to lose its grip on the rest of the world. Thus, they support MAGA in order to preserve
and restore U.S. power, so that it may continue to serve Israel.
Trump has allied himself with No. 3, because without any allies he would go the way of JFK
in a hurry (he still might). They let him pursue his nationalist economic agenda, but each
time he tries to pursue his other aims – detente, mostly, a foreign policy that truly
serves America first – they yank his leash.
As I said, this is my working hypothesis; there may be better explanations.
Agree that Mr. Buchanan should be respected, not denounced for not being someone else. He
has long worked in the trenches, and I don't think it too much to say that he and others like
him helped create the alt-Right and made Trump's win possible. This is another fine piece by
him.
I was impressed with Trump's tweet reply to the Kochs. In part Trump said, "I'm for
America First & the American Worker -- a puppet for no one." I'd like to believe that but
it gets harder as his words of support for America are beginning to pale against his acts of
neocon continuity.
Maybe it is right that Trump is just the latest iteration of Obama, a sop to our nation's
discontent. But what choice did we have other than to support him and hope for the best? He
does seem increasingly under neocon influence. The pressures are intense. The negative ones
only relent when he does what they want. The positive pressures reward him with the decadence
of wealth and power. I'd be surprised at this point if he can remember the people he promised
he'd never forget. But we got a mention in twitter
"... At some point the Western Powers decided the that old Communist Apparachik Milosevic would be the Bad Guy and the Croatian freedom-loving "our bastards" the good guys to be internationally recognized and thus enflamed the passion of secession. The thing just flew apart. And afterwards we had to bomb the country in order to save it. ..."
I vividly recall the 1984 Winter Olympics in Sarajevo. I was nine-years-old and we were not wired for cable then. There also was
no remote control for the 27″ Zenith color console. I was forced to watch some of the coverage for those reasons. Sarajevo was
held up as a utopian city where Serbs, Croats and Muslims all lived in a beautiful city peacefully.
It was so beautiful said the announcers. And in less than a decade that Olympic stadium was turned into a cemetery as those
peaceful Croats, Serbs and Muslims slaughtered each other. Once the Soviet Army withdrew from Yugoslavia and the nation disintegrated
back into its ethnic lines, the killings started.
Imagine what is coming in the United States where the simmering hatreds are invited and exploited by not three distinct groups,
but hundreds. Image what is to come when "historically aggrieved" peoples who have been weaponized for generations to despise
their non-homogenous neighbors.
The erasure of common nationhood and the instilling of grievance as a caste system will see the US descend into chaotic slaughter
the likes of which have never been seen before.
When Pakistan separated from India after the British pulled out, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus slaughtered each other, stopping
trains filled with refugees being repatriated into their new nations and slaughtering every one of them. Americans have been so
denuded of historical understanding that these histories are unknown.
The malevolence of humanity seething just under the surface until the opportunity arises for it to burst forth is forgotten
by placated propagandized people. What people in world history have been more propagandized and placated than Americans who have
been viewing carefully crafted scripts since their eyes were first able to focus on a tv screen and whose desperately poor are
morbidly obese?
Stocking a warehouse to the rafters with volatile materials, packing them in so tightly until they near critical mass, now
add in some agitation – and light a match. The most devastating weapon ever devised in not the hydrogen bomb, it is a population
bomb. A 100 megaton nuclear weapon destroys cleanly – one flash and a wind storm – it's all over aside from lingering sunshine
units. In a thousand years the land will forget what had happened.
A population bomb where the very people have been weaponized will prove far more devastating and remain scarring the land for
eons and that common memory lives on in the survivors igniting anew every few decades.
Once the Soviet Army withdrew from Yugoslavia and the nation disintegrated back into its ethnic lines, the killings started.
That never happened though because the Soviet Army was never in Yugoslavia in the first place. It was Tito who maintained order
with an iron fist.
At some point the Western Powers decided the that old Communist Apparachik Milosevic would be the Bad Guy and the Croatian
freedom-loving "our bastards" the good guys to be internationally recognized and thus enflamed the passion of secession. The thing
just flew apart. And afterwards we had to bomb the country in order to save it.
How can there be a second civil war when the US never had one civil war?!
The so called Am Rev could, in many ways, be considered a "civil" war, and you are correct that the War of Northern Bankers
Against Southern Planters was not a "civil war" but essentially another war of conquest and centralization and concentration of
wealth in the hands of ever fewer.
In my opinion, as such concentration proceeds, it inevitably corrupts the morals and values (if any), of a polity and to me,
it's pretty obvious that it's proceeding as expected and at an ever increasing rate.
"... Continuous immigration makes the country a de facto one party state; the democrats win congress and the presidency and retain it through successive election cycles, all legitimized through the fig leaf of democratic voting. ..."
"... US financial life is punctuated by continual boom/bust cycles as minorities use the government to re-appropriate wealth for themselves at the expense of white Caucasians (see Zimbabwe and South Africa's looming land grab). We saw something like this with the housing crisis of 2008-9: George W. Bush and Ted Kennedy urged banks to lower lending standards for poor minorities; Wall Street got in on the act and, predictably, people with low incomes couldn't pay back what they owed and the system came crashing down as a result. Expect this to be a more frequent staple of future American life. ..."
"... Racial tensions reach a boiling point as intractable racial disparities in everything remain. Whites begin leaving for Eastern, Western Europe and eventually China and Japan once their populations fall enough for those countries to change their immigration laws. This brain drain crushes the United States. ..."
"... By 2070, the US ends up like the Soviet Union: a powerful external entity (China) foments rebellion among different groups; the country, poor and defeated, splits up. 300 years wasn't a bad run ..."
"... He agrees that high levels of immigration and economic inequality breed "popular immiseration (the stagnation and decline of living standards and the declining fiscal health of the state )" and that in periods when economic inequality is high ("disintegrative phases") socio-economic well being and political cooperation plummet. ..."
The three most likely ways the United States will descend into tyranny, from most likely to
least likely are the following:
1. Continuous immigration makes the country a de facto one party state; the democrats win
congress and the presidency and retain it through successive election cycles, all legitimized
through the fig leaf of democratic voting.
With electoral checks removed, radical leftists will rescind most American rights such as
free speech and association – tacitly, they won't directly say that's what they are
doing, rather they will present it with terms like "hate crime" and the like. Say the wrong
thing, and you will get fired, your bank will deny you service, and you will be subject to
international media scorn. They'll start with traditionally "right wing" freedoms like gun
rights, speech, and religious affiliation. But they'll move on to internet anonymity and the
secret ballot.
Expect endless media-generated witch trials of dissenters and two minute orgies of hate
for white Caucasians, and to a lesser extent, East Asians.
Expect a security state that monitors and records EVERYTHING you do for future use against
you should it be necessary – phone calls, internet usage, public travel via CCTV and
automobile/cell phone tracking (they already do that) perhaps even what you do in your own
home via technologies that can see through walls, record through television and computer
cameras and mics, and inquiries to personal AI assistants like Siri. Quantum computer-based
AI will additionally be able to track down internet posters through sophisticated
mathematical analysis, encryption breaking, and grammar/syntax analysis.
Future development of AI makes brainwashing and propaganda easier than anyone could have
previously imagined. This works miracles at controlling the population for a while, but even
AI can't erase day-to-day multicultural tensions through personal interactions. People begin
disbelieving everything they see and hear from the media. Ironically, this presents
propaganda opportunities for foreign governments against the US population.
The country will become increasingly ungovernable. The corrupt oligarchical media, owned
and controlled by individuals loyal to the democrat party, lie endlessly on their behalf. The
internet is eventually censored using "harassment" and "hate speech" as a pretext. Those who
oppose this are labeled supporters of hate – a derivation of the "think of the
children" fallacy.
The US tries to counter a rising China militarily but fails. America's military isn't
committed; it's just a job in a country no one has any true loyalty to anymore (like the
Roman Empire in the early fifth century). There may be a battle over Taiwan that the US navy
loses. A multicultural US population has no desire to fight a protracted war with a
determined, nationalist and nearly homogeneous China, so the US backs off after a single
humiliating sea battle. The event presages a new Chinese century much like US entry into WWI
marked a new era or the Russo-Japanese war marked the end of Western military hegemony for
the first time since the end of the Middle Ages.
Sensing a sea change, Asian governments like Japan begin rapprochement with China. US
alliances falter in Asia.
As SJWs take over Hollywood and churn out leftist agitprop, new centers of culture and
entertainment pop up in China. Just as the Russians hoarded Western pop music during the Cold
War, many white Americans do the same with Chinese movies and books – their own movies
and books being uninteresting propaganda (see the downfall of the US comic book industry for
an example of what is to come) – and sometimes even racist anti-white trash.
Diversity (non-white) efforts cripple US industry. Meritorious China becomes even more
economically dominant than expected at American expense.
US financial life is punctuated by continual boom/bust cycles as minorities use the
government to re-appropriate wealth for themselves at the expense of white Caucasians (see
Zimbabwe and South Africa's looming land grab). We saw something like this with the housing
crisis of 2008-9: George W. Bush and Ted Kennedy urged banks to lower lending standards for
poor minorities; Wall Street got in on the act and, predictably, people with low incomes
couldn't pay back what they owed and the system came crashing down as a result. Expect this
to be a more frequent staple of future American life.
The US's financial stability is threatened when massively expensive social programs
– ineptly thought out and implemented – drive up the federal deficit to record
highs; the government raises taxes to cover the losses. This works for a time, but there is
only so high taxes can be raised before the economy suffers. A sovereign debt crisis looms.
The country becomes ever more socialist.
Racial tensions reach a boiling point as intractable racial disparities in everything
remain. Whites begin leaving for Eastern, Western Europe and eventually China and Japan once
their populations fall enough for those countries to change their immigration laws. This
brain drain crushes the United States.
US standing in the world falls dramatically as Europeans recoil in horror at the prospect
of their own people's looming – similar – fate. Democracy is discredited world
wide. Elections still happen, but in many places they simply serve as propaganda to
legitimize ruling regimes.
The US attempts to solve its problems by picking fights with smaller countries, the logic
being that the population will rally around the flag in response, distracting everyone from
internal strife. These military adventures will not go well, leading to increasing internal
unrest.
The elite will engage in a Cold War with Russia because the Russians are white; the belief
among the establishment is that this will distract America's majority minorities from
attacking white Americans, the country's single most valuable resource. This leads to a
series of dangerous standoffs and, perhaps, even war.
By 2060, the US is much weakened. China has an economy 3-4x larger than the total US
economy. China has military bases in most of South America and perhaps even Mexico. China
also has a military that dwarfs the US military in technological sophistication, size, and
overall determination.
By 2070, the US ends up like the Soviet Union: a powerful external entity (China) foments
rebellion among different groups; the country, poor and defeated, splits up. 300 years wasn't
a bad run.
2. The democrats take back all branches of government in 2020. By 2028, it is apparent
that no Republican can win the White House ever again. One of the Red States secedes. The US
military, purged of patriotic white men and filled with immigrant scabs, brutally attacks
said Red State; Obama did something very similar when he started filling the military with
immigrants. Also, one poll after Charlottesvile indicated that the vast majority of the
military would favor using the national guard to shut down those protestors, so they
definitely aren't on our side (your feelings about the protestors and their views are
irrelevant, but the sentiment expressed by the military in regards to the expression of
constitutionally-protected public beliefs is astonishing); don't be surprised when the
military does whatever the democrats demand in the future, including shooting protestors or
putting down rebellions with force.
This is not a civil war because you don't have a situation where groups fight over control
of the government. This is a massacre perpetrated by the left and it's been building for
years now – from "punch a Nazi" and encouraging violence against Sarah Huckabee to
antifa terrorist attacks on protestors and doxxing dissenters.
Future historians (Chinese and Indian) will wonder why Red States didn't break off sooner
when they had the chance. They will point out that a frog put in a pot won't leap out if the
temperature is raised slowly. They will use this to remind themselves that democracy is
ultimately a fool's errand.
3. Some patriotic element of the Deep State concocts a plan for Trump to remain president
permanently. The 2020 election is called off. The democrat party is banned and voting is
limited to republicans. The government works to reverse the country's looming demographic
disaster.
Peter Turchin, author of "Ages of Discord: A Structural Demographic Analysis of American
History" (2016) has examined the "demographic, social, and political trends that changed
direction from favorable to unfavorable in America around the 1970s" and has concluded that
"in the United States social instability and political violence would peak in the 2020s."
He agrees that high levels of immigration and economic inequality breed "popular
immiseration (the stagnation and decline of living standards and the declining fiscal health
of the state )" and that in periods when economic inequality is high ("disintegrative
phases") socio-economic well being and political cooperation plummet. Most importantly, he
cites "the key role of "elite overproduction" in "driving waves of political violence, both
in historical societies and in our own." [United States]
"Increasing inequality leads not only to the growth of top fortunes; it also results in
greater numbers of wealth-holders. Rich Americans tend to be more politically active than
the rest of the population. In technical terms, such a situation is known as 'elite
overproduction'. Elite overproduction generally leads to more intra-elite competition which
is followed by ideological polarization and fragmentation of the political class. the more
contenders there are, the more of them end up on the losing side. A large class of
disgruntled elite-wannabes, often well-educated and highly capable, has been denied access
to elite positions."
"The victory of Donald Trump changes nothing in this equation. The 'social pump'
creating new aspirants for political offices continues to operate at full strength. In
addition to politically ambitious multi-millionaires, the second important source of such
aspirants is U.S. law schools, which every year churn twice as many law graduates as there
are job openings for them, about 25,000 "surplus" lawyers, many of whom are in debt. It is
emblematic that the 2016 election pitted a billionaire against a lawyer."
The three most likely ways the United States will descend into tyranny, from most likely
to least likely are the following:
Will descend?
Done deal. What do you think the constitution was all about?
The Constitution looked fairly good on paper, but it was not a popular document; people
were suspicious of it, and suspicious of the enabling legislation that was being erected
upon it. There was some ground for this. The Constitution had been laid down under
unacceptable auspices; its history had been that of a coup d'état.
It had been drafted, in the first place, by men representing special economic interests.
Four-fifths of them were public creditors, one-third were land speculators, and one-fifth
represented interests in shipping, manufacturing, and merchandising. Most of them were
lawyers. Not one of them represented the interest of production -- Vilescit origine tali.
(the dice were loaded from the start)
Albert Jay Nock, Liberty vs. the Constitution: The Early Struggle
mises.org/daily/4254
Furthermore, we know, historically, that only a small portion even of the people then
existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their
consent or dissent in any formal manner.
-Lysander Spooner, No Treason: No. VI, The Constitution of No Authority, p1. (1870)
1. Iraq is run by a pro-Iran Shite government that tolerates the US occupation due to the
money provided. Before the USA attacks Iran, it should remove all its 10,000 troops and
10,000 civilians and close its massive embassy there and write that country off. Otherwise,
we'll have thousands of American POWs. Meanwhile, the Kurds will get crushed as the Turks and
Iraqis use the chaos to destroy them.
2. The oil-rich British puppet state of Kuwait is hated by all Iraqis and Iranians. If the
USA attacks Iran, one should expect Iranian and maybe Iraqi units crossing the border, while
Kuwait's army flees as expected. The USA keeps an army brigade there, but that may not be
enough to fend off an invasion, even with air superiority.
3. In past wars, civilian oil tankers did not sail through the straits. The insurers
(mostly Lloyds of London) and others announced they would not cover losses, and unionize ship
crews refused to enter the war zone. So even if the USA keeps the straits open, all that oil
will not flow forth.
4. Iran has a fortified island in the Gulf whose guns cannot be silenced with just air
power. A major amphibious landing is required to clear that island, and it will be bloody.
Note the ship channels in the map. Supertankers are huge, so while the Straits of Hormuz are
large, these big ships can only pass thru these two narrow channels, which are easily
blocked. Iran could park its own tankers in these channels to block them and hope the USA
foolishly sinks them, thus really blocking the entire channel.
These four issues are of more importance than air battles over Iran.
Zone 23 was one of the best novels I've ever read. I'm a big reader, and Zone 23 stands out
as one of the better fiction books in my lifetime. It is sort of a cross between 1984,
Fahrenheit 451, and Brave New World, but with better, much funnier, dialogue. It also
introduces the corporate-state-hybrid as a menacing enemy.
Counterintuitively, the apostle of nonviolence was inspiring the psychological liberation
of black people in such a way that a certain percentage felt empowered to act out their
repressed anger. So when King determined to bring half a million followers to Washington, DC
and stay there until the feds pulled out of Vietnam and declared a real war on poverty, the
Colonel and his friends immediately envisioned the nation's capital erupting into mass
violence that could spread nationwide on a scale many orders of magnitude beyond what had
happened during 1967's Long Hot Summer, perhaps precipitating a real civil war culminating in
the revolutionary overthrow of the American State. This, the Colonel explained to Pepper, was
the primary reason King had to be terminated with extreme prejudice.
Predictably, the Deep State's murder of Dr. King did not solve the racial violence
problem. The assassination itself set off a wave of new riots in cities including Chicago,
Baltimore, and -- sorry, Colonel -- Washington, DC. White-dominated forces of the State
retaliated with escalating repression. Black communities felt increasingly under siege, and
have continued to feel that way until the present day.
"... At some point the Western Powers decided the that old Communist Apparachik Milosevic would be the Bad Guy and the Croatian freedom-loving "our bastards" the good guys to be internationally recognized and thus enflamed the passion of secession. The thing just flew apart. And afterwards we had to bomb the country in order to save it. ..."
I vividly recall the 1984 Winter Olympics in Sarajevo. I was nine-years-old and we were not
wired for cable then. There also was no remote control for the 27″ Zenith color
console. I was forced to watch some of the coverage for those reasons. Sarajevo was held up
as a utopian city where Serbs, Croats and Muslims all lived in a beautiful city peacefully.
It was so beautiful said the announcers. And in less than a decade that Olympic stadium
was turned into a cemetery as those peaceful Croats, Serbs and Muslims slaughtered each
other. Once the Soviet Army withdrew from Yugoslavia and the nation disintegrated back into
its ethnic lines, the killings started.
Imagine what is coming in the United States where the simmering hatreds are invited and
exploited by not three distinct groups, but hundreds. Image what is to come when
"historically aggrieved" peoples who have been weaponized for generations to despise their
non-homogenous neighbors.
The erasure of common nationhood and the instilling of grievance as a caste system will
see the US descend into chaotic slaughter the likes of which have never been seen before.
When Pakistan separated from India after the British pulled out, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus
slaughtered each other, stopping trains filled with refugees being repatriated into their new
nations and slaughtering every one of them. Americans have been so denuded of historical
understanding that these histories are unknown.
The malevolence of humanity seething just under the surface until the opportunity arises
for it to burst forth is forgotten by placated propagandized people. What people in world
history have been more propagandized and placated than Americans who have been viewing
carefully crafted scripts since their eyes were first able to focus on a tv screen and whose
desperately poor are morbidly obese?
Stocking a warehouse to the rafters with volatile materials, packing them in so tightly
until they near critical mass, now add in some agitation -- and light a match. The most
devastating weapon ever devised in not the hydrogen bomb, it is a population bomb. A 100
megaton nuclear weapon destroys cleanly -- one flash and a wind storm -- it's all over aside
from lingering sunshine units. In a thousand years the land will forget what had
happened.
A population bomb where the very people have been weaponized will prove far more
devastating and remain scarring the land for eons and that common memory lives on in the
survivors igniting anew every few decades.
Once the Soviet Army withdrew from Yugoslavia and the nation disintegrated back into its
ethnic lines, the killings started.
That never happened though because the Soviet Army was never in Yugoslavia in the first
place. It was Tito who maintained order with an iron fist.
At some point the Western Powers decided the that old Communist Apparachik Milosevic
would be the Bad Guy and the Croatian freedom-loving "our bastards" the good guys to be
internationally recognized and thus enflamed the passion of secession. The thing just flew
apart. And afterwards we had to bomb the country in order to save it.
"... please recall Bill Clinton's rules of engagement as applied to the Serbs in 1999, wherein he decided that the political leaders, bureaucratic support structure, media infrastructure and intellectual underpinnings of his enemies' war effort were legitimate targets of war. ..."
After observing Skynet's coordinated attack on Alex Jone's Infowars yesterday, we can hardly
wait to implement Bill Clinton's Rules of Engagement on the already identified Enemies
of the People, and eagerly await the God-Emperor's word.
Second, please recall Bill Clinton's rules of engagement as applied to the Serbs in
1999, wherein he decided that the political leaders, bureaucratic support structure, media
infrastructure and intellectual underpinnings of his enemies' war effort were legitimate
targets of war.
No one else may have been paying attention to the unintended consequences of that, but
many folks on our side of the present divide were. Food for thought. A reminder about the shape of the battlefield (legal and otherwise) and Bill Clinton's
Rules of Engagement.
In the wake of President Trump's Helsinki press conference, National Review declared
itself "Against
Moral Equivalence." The magazine claimed that there could be no equating American
meddling in foreign elections with Russian interference in our election because the goal of
the U.S. is to "promote democracy and political liberty and human rights." Though while
America's actions might be noble and have the sanction of heaven, National Review did
concede that its efforts to promote democracy have often been "messy" -- an adjective that the
people of Iraq might find understated.
Like many of Trump's critics, National Review 's embrace of American exceptionalism,
of exempting the United States from the moral laws of the universe because of its commitment to
democracy, is of a type the West has seen before. Swept up in their revolutionary enthusiasm,
the French Jacobins made similar claims. In late 1791, a member of the Assembly, while
agitating for war with Austria, declared that France "had become the foremost people of the
universe, so their conduct must now correspond to their new destiny. As slaves they were bold
and great; are they to be timid and feeble now that they are free?"
Robespierre himself was taken aback by the turn of a domestic revolution into a call for
military adventurism. Of plans to invade Austria and to overthrow "enemies" of liberty in other
nations, he famously remarked, "No one loves armed missionaries." (Robespierre's advice might
have also benefited the American occupiers of Iraq.) The Jacobins' moral preening led France to
declare war on Austria in 1792 and set in motion years of French military adventurism that
devastated much of central Europe. Military imperialism abroad and guillotines at home became
the legacy of self-declared French exceptionalism.
Hubristic nations that claim a unique place for themselves high atop the moral universe tend
to be imperialistic. This is because claims of national exceptionalism, whether of the French
or American variety, are antinomian, even nihilistic. The "exceptional" ones carve out for
themselves an exemption from the moral law. And prideful claims of moral purity are the
inevitable predicate to imposing one's will upon another. Once leaders assert that their
national soul is of a special kind -- indispensable and not subject to the same rules -- the
road to hell has been paved.
While supporters of American exceptionalism are careful to claim the mantle of Western
civilization, their philosophical orientation in fact amounts to a repudiation of the central
principles of the West and the Constitution.
Arguably, the tradition of the Judeo-Christian West has been special because it has asserted
that human nature is not particularly special. And the Constitution has been exceptional
because it's warned Americans that we are not particularly exceptional.
For example, the legacy of Pauline Christianity, Irving Babbitt tells us, is "the haunting
sense of sin and the stress it lays upon the struggle between the higher and lower self,
between the law of the flesh and the law of the spirit." No person or nation is above this
moral challenge. The uniquely American repudiation of exceptionalism shines brightly in The
Federalist , where no angels can be found among men, and, because no one's behavior enjoys
the sanction of heaven, extensive checks are placed upon people's ability to impose their wills
upon others. The foreign policy that flowed out of the worldview of the Framers was that of
George Washington, a strong recommendation against hubris and foreign meddling.
These historical and cultural warnings about human nature have since been swept away by
acolytes of American exceptionalism. Our moral superiority, they claim, makes us Masters of the
Universe, not careful and mindful custodians of our own fallen nature. We have been put on
earth to judge other nations, not to be judged. Tossing the legacy of the Framers onto the ash
heap of history, George W. Bush declared in his Second Inaugural Address
that our exceptionalism creates an obligation to promote democracy "in every nation and
culture." In this endeavor, Bush pronounced, the United States enjoys the sanction of heaven,
as "history also has a visible direction, set by liberty and the author of liberty." Bush's
Second Inaugural was probably better in the original French.
Now, the puffed-up American establishment, many of whom supported the bloody Iraq war, drip
with moral condescension as they brand Vladimir Putin an existential outlaw and the enemy of
democracy, foreclosing the possibility of common ground with Russia on nuclear weapons, China,
terrorism, and other issues that matter to the national security of the United States. That
Washington has meddled in countless nations' affairs from Iraq to Russia -- and caused untold
damage -- is of no account to the establishment. Rules do not apply to democracy promoters.
After the Iraq war, we should have reconsidered our hubristic American exceptionalism. One
can take pride in the American tradition without laying claim to a uniquely beautiful national
soul that is exempt from the laws of nature and of nature's God. The hysterical reaction to
Trump's truthful admission that the United States too has made mistakes in its relationship
with Russia is a sign that American exceptionalism is still in full flower among elites.
Without the return of a certain humility, there will be more military adventures abroad and
political strife at home.
William S. Smith is research fellow and managing director at the Center for the Study
of Statesmanship at The Catholic University of America.11 Responses to America the
Unexceptional
I agree with the sentiment but the facts show we've always been this way. Historically
speaking our hubris didn't start with George W. Bush. We had quite the exceptionalist spirt
with "Manifest Destiny" back in the 19th century. And indeed it took a bit of hubris to
declare independence from Britain.
Dr. Smith wrote his PhD dissertation in political philosophy on a critique of romanticism in
political thinking. However, in the above article he somehow believes America is unexceptional
for having exempted itself from God's laws and natural law. But what if American policy makers
acted out of political necessity and realism, not "hubris" or un-humility? I might agree with
Smith about using "democracy building" as a pretense for military intervention. But does Smith
take what US presidents and congressmen say at face value? What if US intervention in Iraq had
to do with trying to balance power between Iraq and Iran, or stop Islamic expansionism from
pushing into Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states? Moralism can be just as dangerous as democracy
building in foreign affairs.
We did renounce exceptionalism and imperialism after WW1. Wilson's pet agencies faded out and
we focused internally. We remained non-interventionist until 1946 when the Wilsonians snatched
power again.
We should figure out why and how the bureaucracy and media gave up Empire in the early '20s.
Obviously the people were tired, just as they are now, but the people are irrelevant.
Something changed in the power structure. What was it? Can we help it to happen again?
The writer in question of the referenced piece at National Review, Jimmy Quinn, is a
20something college intern, proving they aren't even interested in hiring newer young
conservatives at NRO who don't just mindlessly repeat the neoconservative line on "American
exceptionalism". They are long past their days as a serious magazine. If not by ideology, just
by having a more interesting collection of writers, I'd say even the Weekly Standard is now a
better magazine than National Review. It's become like the boring Pravda rulebook for Official
Conservatism™ in America.
Well done, Mr. Smith. Our hubris blinds this nation to the pain it inflicts in other lands. I
reflect again and again on these words from the hymn (tune Finlandia):
This is my song, oh God of all the nations,
a song of peace for lands afar and mine.
This is my home, the country where my heart is;
here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine;
but other hearts in other lands are beating
with hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.
My country's skies are bluer than the ocean,
and sunlight beams on clover leaf and pine.
But other lands have sunlight too and clover,
and skies are everywhere as blue as mine.
This is my song, thou God of all the nations;
a song of peace for their land and for mine.
When nations rage, and fears erupt coercive,
The drumbeats sound, invoking pious cause.
My neighbors rise, their stalwart hearts they offer,
The gavels drop, suspending rights and laws.
While others wield their swords with blind devotion;
For peace I'll stand, my true and steadfast cause.
We would be one as now we join in singing,
Our hymn of love, to pledge ourselves anew.
To that high cause of greater understanding
Of who we are, and what in us is true.
We would be one in loving and forgiving,
with hopes and dreams as true and high as thine.
C'mon people, it's right to separate yourselves from the bombast and violent meddling we've
done all over the world, but let's not get carried away with this ridiculous "we're just like
any other bully" mentality.
The exceptionalism is in the elevation of individual human freedom as a foundational
principle. We declared it, the French declared it, and it remains a beacon for many others, no
matter how poorly we've observed it from time to time.
"Military imperialism abroad and guillotines at home became the legacy of self-declared
French exceptionalism." No, that was the paroxysm of revolution, one that the U,S. fortunately
avoided.
The real legacy was the sweeping away of monarchy across the continent, despite the irony of
Napoleon making himself emperor.
For all our imperialism, did we treat western Europe the same as Stalin treated eastern
Europe?
Is it just an accident of history that the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, and Australia, former
British colonies all, lead the world in the protection of individual human rights? You can draw
a line, crooked though it may be, from those countries right back to the Magna Carta.
Yes, we had slavery, a legacy of our status as an agricultural colony, but the British,
French, and Americans all abolished it because it couldn't square with our declared
principles.
We may forget why we are exceptional but our immigration pressure shows that the the rest of
the world hasn't.
Re: The Jacobins' moral preening led France to declare war on Austria in 1792
It wasn't just the Jacobins: pretty much everyone wanted war. The royalists hoped that
foreign intervention would restore Louis XVI as an absolute monarch. The moderates wanted to
consolidate the gains of the Revolution and deflect public anger at its economic failings. The
radicals, as noted, looked to evangelize Europe with the Rights of Man. And the foreign powers
wanted to crush the Revolution lest its ideals take root in their own country -- and help
themselves to this or that bit of France's empire.
Thank you for the clarification. Based on their research, Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, Professor of
History at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Terry Charman, a Senior
Historian at London Imperial War Museum, concur:
"
"The Soviet entry into the war played a much greater role than the atomic bombs in inducing
Japan to surrender because it dashed any hope that Japan could terminate the war through
Moscow's mediation," Hasegawa, a Russian-speaking American scholar, said in an interview.
Despite the death toll from the atomic bombings -- 140,000 in Hiroshima, 80,000 in
Nagasaki the Imperial Military Command believed it could hold out against an Allied invasion
if it retained control of Manchuria and Korea, which provided Japan with the resources for
war, according to Hasegawa and Terry Charman
"The Soviet attack changed all that," Charman said. "The leadership in Tokyo realized they
had no hope now, and in that sense August Storm did have a greater effect on the Japanese
decision to surrender than the dropping of the A-bombs."
"
"Isn't this patently contradicting the historical fact that Japan surrendered (militarily,
what else!) precisely because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic destructions? "
Another victim of the American education system and Hollywood history lessons
"... The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him. The best example of this kind of "ownership" is the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid act, but one which the Israel Lobby demanded. The same goes for the US reneging on the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or, for that matter, the current stream of threats against Iran. ..."
"... Where is the UN in this? What use is the UN if it can't prevent this ghastly scenario? ..."
"... Trump's tactic is chutzpah, doing anything he wants and saying screw you ..."
"... Europe is so weak it can barely force through a gas pipeline against Washington's displeasure. ..."
"... Iran is guilty . It has section and groups who want to kneel before USA for personal gains. No different from Russia, India, Pakistan and even Syria and Libya. The world suffers from this Anerican centric view of the economy and the growth . ..."
The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him. The best example of this kind of "ownership" is the US decision to move its
embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid act, but one which the Israel Lobby demanded. The same goes for the US reneging
on the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or, for that matter, the current stream of threats against Iran.
It appears that the Neocons have a basic strategy which goes like this: " we hate Trump and everything he represents, but we
also control him; let's use him to do all the crazy stuff no sane US President would ever do, and then let's use the fallout of these
crazy decisions and blame it all on Trump; this way we get all that we want and we get to destroy Trump in the process only to replace
him with one of "our guys" when the time is right ". Again, the real goal of an attack on Iran would be to bomb Iran back into
a pre-revolutionary era and to punish the Iranian people for supporting the "wrong" regime thus daring to defy the AngloZionist Empire.
The Neocons could use Trump as a "disposable President" who could be blamed for the ensuing chaos and political disaster while accomplishing
one of the most important political objectives of Israel: laying waste to Iran. For the Neocons, this is a win-win situation: if
things go well (however unlikely that is), they can take all the credit and still control Trump like a puppet, and if things don't
go well, Iran is in ruins, Trump is blamed for a stupid and crazy war, and the Clinton gang will be poised to come back to power.
The biggest loser in such a scenario would, of course, be the people of Iran. But the US military will not fare well either. For
one thing, a plan to just "lay waste" to Iran has no viable exit strategy, especially not a short-term one, while the US military
has no stomach for long conflicts (Afghanistan and Iraq are bad enough). Furthermore, once the US destroys most of what can be destroyed
the initiative will be in the Iranians' hands and time will be on their side. In 2006 the Israelis had to fold after 33 days only,
how much time will the US need before having to declare victory and leave?
If the war spreads to, say, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Syria, then will the US even have the option to just leave? What about the
Israelis – what options will they have once missiles start hitting them (not only Iranian missiles but probably also Hezbollah missiles
from Lebanon!)?
Former Mossad head Meir Dagan was fully correct when he stated that
a military attack on Iran was "the stupidest
thing I have ever heard" . Alas, the Neocons have never been too bright, and stupid stuff is what they mostly do. All we can
hope for is that somebody in the US will find a way to stop them and avert another immoral, bloody, useless and potentially very
dangerous war.
If there is one thing we have learned over the last few decades it is that there is nothing too stupid, ignorant, arrogant, demented
or evil for the US to do.
Just a few months ago Iran was quite willingly and certifiably honouring the terms of the nuclear deal, now they are quite
possibly going to be subjected to a completely unprovoked attack, with or without some (probably fabricated) Casus belli.
Where is the UN in this? What use is the UN if it can't prevent this ghastly scenario? It seems doubtful that the Europeans
will do anything, they have been craven enough to go along with the US on the Russia "threat" despite them having a military budget
nearly four times larger than that of the RF and a population about three times bigger (The Europeans have even for all intents
and purposes sanctioned themselves at the behest of the US) Do we seriously believe that Russia and China are going to sit idly
by while Iran is being bombed and its oil bearing regions invaded? Potentially nuclear armed missiles flying around near the southern
border of Russia anyone?
If anyone has seen the 1984 nuclear war drama "Threads" they will be noticing an eerie similarity.
It's too bad youtube took down the whole movie, with the Iranian invasion and newscast sequences at the beginning. Maybe vimeo
or dailymotion has it up
All said US lost ~9K aircraft in the Vietnam war, to hostile action and a further 500 in accidents, approximately 58 000 KIA.
Yes , i understand Vietnam is not Iran (Iran is not a rice paddy), but the US is not the same either, now it is a "professional"
defense force, whose Navy rams defenseless civilian ships (or cant perform at all) , whose Air force planes keep falling from
the sky and whose Army are best moving down civilians.
Of course Iran would loose such a war, no doubt, but can the US sustain the losses, can public opinion ? Say 15 000 bodybags ?
25 000 ? 50 000?
I doubt the US can even put 100 000 soldiers on the ground, combat soldiers, that is, not 3′rd echelon cooks and chauffeurs, very
few armies can. Iran has got at least 5 000 000 trained people with ammo and a AK 47 or RPG eager to put a dent in the US. (China
has between 15 – 40 Million they can draw from).
Forget it, the Iranians can simply "trample" the US to death, at least until the US runs out of body bags.
And consider if the US starts a war, we don't have to trade with it anymore, its under sanction, goodbye "Rare metals" (China),
goodbye computer chips (China) goodbye everything, because the US cant produce anything (No factories) and has few resources left,
hehe.
Sanction the American people to a dose of "concentration camp", 900 calories a day, candle light, and horse drawn transportion!
The Morgentau plan is fulfilled ! I will bathe in Champagne, wash my cojones in Budweiser when that happens. And Israel ? What
Israel ? You mean Palestine ? ahhhh I will feed a bagel to the ducks!
And no, i don't think it will be necessary to learn either Russian or Chinese, I think we might get along well enough.
There is an awful lot of wishful thinking in this. Trump's tactic is chutzpah, doing anything he wants and saying screw you
if you can't take a joke. Europe is so weak it can barely force through a gas pipeline against Washington's displeasure.
Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there? If Iran did manage to block the Straits for
more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and back off? Even if Trump used nukes, what could the
world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross the Empire. And diesel electrics have to surface.
Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there?
There is a larger structure called Shanghai Cooperation Organization and Xi since 2016 was calling on accepting Iran into it,
with Iran having currently an Observer status. For Russia it will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its
VKS units on Iranian airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a huge issue.
Russia is not going to allow any hostile power to have direct access to Caspian Sea. Again, WHAT war? Combined Arms invasion–that
will be the end of the US as we know it. Bombing? Let's wait an see. In fact, it is not up to Russia, it is up to Iran do decide
how to proceed–Iran has options. Will she exercise them?
Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross the Empire . And diesel electrics
have to surface.
Ahh, what? Is the world "crossing" the Empire now? Russia is, but then again she can erase the Empire from the map. This mental
construct is so "out there" that it is even difficult to respond properly to it. I omit here, of course, a gigantic political
fallout for US which will make it a de facto a pariah in case it decides to use nukes. In fact, I can predict with a good degree
of probability what is going to happen. For starters–dedollarization will go into overdrive.
If Iran did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and
back off
The only thing with which I may agree here. In fact, if one of the US Navy carriers (God forbids), somehow gets damaged, let
alone sunk, one may expect an escalation to a nuclear threshold since US is inherently nuclear weapons-biased since can not take
any serious conventional losses, especially in terms of a naval assets. But I agree, that with about 2-3 air-wings in a vicinity
of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call–neither Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial "speed
boats" will be much of a strategic challenge.
All we can hope for is that somebody in the US will find a way to stop them and avert another immoral, bloody, useless and
potentially very dangerous war.
We all know how to stop them. But nobody wants to say it out loud. Certainly not me.
1) The oil and gas infrastructure of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, etc. are all fixed targets, relatively easy to
destroy by missiles. Iran would likely destroy all regional oil and gas infrastructure, if their's is damaged.
2) Also, Iran has a nuclear reactor right on the shores of the Persian Gulf? If that is blown up, or even fails because staff
or electricity are not available, then the Persian Gulf, and maybe Turkey and Israel, would be hit by heavy radioactive fallout,
like at Chernobyl or Fukushima.
3) Finally, Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and
land undamaged, America's most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage
to electrical, communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined.
Napoleon was certain to defeat Russia. Hitler was certain to defeat Russia. The US was certain to defeat North Korea and certain
to defeat Vietnam. But the outcomes of wars are not certain. Which it is why rational people do not like war.
China buys $US200+ billion in computer chips from the US and produces ~$US 20+ billion itself.
Robots, chips and the pursuit of China's tech dreams
7-10-18
Despite its high-profile ambitious, the world's second-largest economy still has to rely on a steady supply of foreign-made
semiconductors, the heartbeat of the "Internet of Things" and the industrial factories of the future.
To illustrate the point, China's fragility was exposed last month when ZTE was dragged into President Donald Trump's trade
war. At one point, there were fears it would go under after being banned for seven years from buying US-made components such as
chips.
"Xi himself has made semiconductor development a priority for years," Jesse Heatley, a director at Albright Stonebridge Group
and a security fellow with the Truman National Security Project, wrote for The Diplomat in April.
"Almost exactly two years ago, he gave a controversial speech in which he similarly assailed China's dependence on foreign
suppliers and urged mastering 'core technologies.' At that time, China observers noted Xi's plans to develop globally competitive
chipset champions and challenge foreign tech firms' dominance."
The task will be daunting. A glance at the global semiconductor industry underlines just how far behind the country is when
it comes to chip manufacturing, and R&D.
Last year, revenue from the sector in the US edged close to $250 billion compared to China's miserly $24.7 billion, statistics
from IEK, which is part of the government-sponsored Industrial Technology Research Institute in Taiwan, showed.
With such a disparity, it is hardly surprising that Chinese companies have to import about $200 billion worth of chips from
the US each year.
' But Iran is not an "easy" ally and as events with initial lifting of sanction demonstrated, she forgot about Russia the
minute they were lifted–Russians are extremely well aware of this "small" fact, especially the way Iran proceeded, despite
warnings, in commercial aerospace '
No argument there I've been saying the same thing for a long time the Iranian aviation press started badmouthing Russian civil
aircraft the minute sanctions were lifted [thanks mostly to Russia] and then placing $20 billion orders with Boeing and Airbus
Not to mention the trouble they are causing in Syria even Assad is holding his nose
I'm no fan of Iran, or religious extremism of any kind but merely was debunking the horseshit about Iranian air defense spouted
by clown Margolis
As for the P8, I'm not badmouthing it it's an impressive piece of work but I also know the MIC 'way' which is to deliver crap
that doesn't work and takes years to actually get working, if ever and regardless of MAD or no MAD the main weapon against subs
is still dropping sonobuys to find the sub in the first place the P8 just isn't the right tool for the strait of Hormuz even if
working properly
And I still maintain that even with the four S300 batteries in Iran [each has four TELs, the mobile launchers, so that's 16
total] Iran can close its airspace and that over the strait mounting a serious SEAD effort is not going to be a Sunday walk in
the park they also have a lot of S200s, which they have reportedly modernized and mounted on trucks [and we recall how Syria brought
down that F16 with its S200 a few months ago] the S200 missile itself is still a monster even compared to S400 it's actually faster
at 2500 m/s that's near mach 10 at high altitude compare that to US SAM technology the SM6 has a whopping M3.5 top speed and uses
the AIM120 air to air missile seeker
[There is also a ground-launched version of the AIM120 the SLAAMRAM...Houthis in Yemen are doing the same thing, turning old
Soviet R27 AA missiles into SAMs...actually hit a Saudi F15 with one...of course one would expect the US MIC to be somewhat more
sophisticated]
I would not be surprised if the Bavar 373 is a decent SAM at least the missile kinematic performance, since the Iranians have
shown they can build pretty good missiles [the Syria strike a while back comes to mind, impressively precise from such a long
range] piggybacking those off the big Russian radars and they might have an impressive air defense capability overall [I doubt
their own radar tech is up to big league standards just yet]
But overall I agree there's no way that Putin is going to 'save' Iran if the US attacks but then I doubt the US is going to
attack I think it's pretty far fetched Trump just offered 'no preconditions' talks to Iran so I think the whole thing is political
theater US sanctions will seriously hurt Iran and Trump needs to look like a winner for domestic politics he can do this by simply
redoing an Iran deal that is basically the same thing with window dressing
' Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran was able to take control of, and land undamaged,
America's most advanced surveillance drone. It is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical,
communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not imagined '
That's an interesting point Here is part of what Major General Qassim Soleimani said after that all-caps tweet threat by Trump
' We are near you where you can't even imagine '
I found that puzzling but your mention of cyberwar and civil infrastructure sabotage could in fact be what he was alluding
to
Incidentally he also said this
'You threaten us with an action that is 'unprecedented' in the world. This is cabaret-style rhetoric. Only a cabaret owner
talks to the world this way.
What was it that you could do over the past 20 years but you didn't? You came to Afghanistan with score of tanks and personnel
carriers and hundreds of advanced helicopters and committed crimes there. What the hell could you do between 2001 and 2018
with 110,000 troops? You are today begging Taliban for Talks.
Afghanistan was a poor country, what the hell could you do in this country that you are currently threatening us?
You arrogantly attacked Iraq with 160,000 troops and multiple times (military equipment) compared to what you used in Afghanistan.
But what happened? Ask your then commander who was the person that he sent to me and asked 'Is it possible for you to give
us time and use your influence so that our soldiers will not be attacked by the Iraqi fighters in these few months until we
exit the country?'
Have you forgotten that you provide adult diapers for your soldiers in the tanks? Despite that you are currently threatening
the great country of Iran? With what background to you threaten us?'
Ouch this guy is a tough cookie not sure how eager US generals are to dance with this guy
Sanction on Iran on the false accusations of pursuing nuclear activities was mounted by USA UK France but Russia could have
vetoed. China cold have vetoed. The truth was available to IAEA (,El Baradi 's term ) . They didn't. The 2011 agreements by Brazil
and Turkey was reneged by Hillars US after proposing that very deal.
That itself should have prompted Russia and Rusdia's fellow traveler on this area China not to trust anything coming from USA
. It should have stood firm. They didn't . Russia and China received the bribes offered as India did when it referred the case
to UN in 2006 .
These are the realities Iran took note . To Iran, USA was the top dog. So they went knocking at the door of the dog house .
You must cut some slack for Iran.
Iran is guilty . It has section and groups who want to kneel before USA for personal gains. No different from Russia, India,
Pakistan and even Syria and Libya. The world suffers from this Anerican centric view of the economy and the growth .
I enjoyed your military discussion guys and would not disagree with what you wrote. But for me, there two key points:
1) war is a totally unpredictable affair; this whole discussion is playing armchair generals; Iran is not Iraq, and
2) the Saker did touch on the US morale but one mid-size US ship sunk and the US military would turn into one crying baby and
will reach for the nukes as every impotent wanker would.
Yes, I agree that most of Attack Iran talk is a psyops bull, designed to financially exhaust Iran. US is made up of tough-talking
clowns such as Fred Reed, Eric Margollis at al but none of these clowns would be willing to risk their lifestyles let alone their
lives more than by moronic chest beating that they engage in. Attack Iran is simply Zionist incited US trash-pile rumbling. One
long smelly fart, for lack of a better methapor. Cause it would be the end of US as it is now, still a relatively comfortable
living country. Event the Hebrew Slaves know their own limitations.
I enjoyed your military discussion guys and would not disagree with what you wrote. But
for me, there two key points:
1) war is a totally unpredictable affair; this whole discussion is playing armchair generals;
Iran is not Iraq, and
2) the Saker did touch on the US morale but one mid-size US ship sunk and the US military
would turn into one crying baby and will reach for the nukes as every impotent wanker
would.
Yes, I agree that most of Attack Iran talk is a psyops bull, designed to financially
exhaust Iran. US is made up of tough-talking clowns such as Fred Reed, Eric Margollis at al
but none of these clowns would be willing to risk their lifestyles let alone their lives more
than by moronic chest beating that they engage in.
Attack Iran is simply Zionist incited US
trash-pile rumbling. One long smelly fart, for lack of a better methapor. Cause it would be
the end of US as it is now, still a relatively comfortable living country. Event the Hebrew
Slaves know their own limitations.
Around 35 years ago, I was sitting in my college dorm-room closely reading the New York
Times as I did each and every morning when I noticed an astonishing article about the
controversial new Israeli Prime Minister, Yitzhak Shamir.
Back in those long-gone days, the Gray Lady was strictly a black-and-white print
publication, lacking the large color photographs of rap stars and long stories about dieting
techniques that fill so much of today's news coverage, and it also seemed to have a far harder
edge in its Middle East reporting. A year or so earlier, Shamir's predecessor Menacham Begin
had allowed his Defense Minister Ariel Sharon to talk him into invading Lebanon and besieging
Beirut, and the subsequent massacre of Palestinian women and children in the Sabra and Shatila
refugee camps had outraged the world and angered America's government. This eventually led to
Begin's resignation, with Shamir, his Foreign Minister, taking his place.
Prior to his surprising 1977 election victory, Begin had spent decades in the political
wilderness as an unacceptable right-winger, and Shamir had an even more extreme background,
with the American mainstream media freely reporting his long involvement in all sorts of
high-profile assassinations and terrorist attacks during the 1940s, painting him as a very bad
man indeed.
Given Shamir's notorious activities, few revelations would have shocked me, but this one
did. Apparently, during the late 1930s, Shamir and his small Zionist faction had become great
admirers of the Italian Fascists and German Nazis, and after World War II broke out, they had
made repeated attempts to contact Mussolini and the German leadership in 1940 and 1941, hoping
to enlist in the Axis Powers as their Palestine affiliate, and undertake a campaign of attacks
and espionage against the local British forces, then share in the political booty after
Hitler's inevitable triumph.
Now the Times clearly viewed Shamir in a very negative light, but it seemed
extremely unlikely to me that they would have published such a remarkable story without being
absolutely sure of their facts. Among other things, there were long excerpts from the official
letters sent to Mussolini ferociously denouncing the "decadent" democratic systems of Britain
and France that he was opposing, and assuring Il Duce that such ridiculous political
notions would have no future place in the totalitarian Jewish client state they hoped to
establish under his auspices in Palestine.
As it happens, both Germany and Italy were preoccupied with larger geopolitical issues at
the time, and given the small size of Shamir's Zionist faction, not much seems to have ever
come of those efforts. But the idea of the sitting Prime Minister of the Jewish State having
spent his early wartime years as an unrequited Nazi ally was certainly something that sticks in
one's mind, not quite conforming to the traditional narrative of that era which I had always
accepted.
Most remarkably, the revelation of Shamir's pro-Axis past seems to have had only a
relatively minor impact upon his political standing within Israeli society. I would think that
any American political figure found to have supported a military alliance with Nazi Germany
during the Second World War would have had a very difficult time surviving the resulting
political scandal, and the same would surely be true for politicians in Britain, France, or
most other western nations. But although there was certainly some embarrassment in the Israeli
press, especially after the shocking story reached the international headlines, apparently most
Israelis took the whole matter in stride, and Shamir stayed in office for another year, then
later served a second, much longer term as Prime Minister during 1986-1992. The Jews of Israel
apparently regarded Nazi Germany quite differently than did most Americans, let alone most
American Jews.
... ... ...
Over the years I've occasionally made half-hearted attempts to locate the Times
article about Shamir that had long stuck in my memory, but have had no success, either because
it was removed from the Times archives or more likely because my mediocre search
skills proved inadequate. But I'm almost certain that the piece had been prompted by the 1983
publication of Zionism in the
Age of the Dictators by Lenni Brenner, an anti-Zionist of the Trotskyite persuasion
and Jewish origins. I only very recently discovered that book, which really tells an extremely
interesting story.
Brenner, born in 1937, has spent his entire life as an unreconstructed hard-core leftist,
with his enthusiasms ranging from Marxist revolution to the Black Panthers, and he is obviously
a captive of his views and his ideology. At times, this background impairs the flow of his
text, and the periodic allusions to "proletarian," "bourgeoisie," and "capitalist classes"
sometimes grow a little wearisome, as does his unthinking acceptance of all the shared beliefs
common to his political circle. But surely only someone with that sort of fervent ideological
commitment would have been willing to devote so much time and effort to investigating that
controversial subject and ignoring the endless denunciations that resulted, which even included
physical assaults by Zionist partisans.
ORDER IT NOW
In any event, his documentation seems completely airtight, and some years after the original
appearance of his book, he published a companion volume entitled 51 Documents: Zionist
Collaboration with the Nazis , which simply provides English translations of all the raw
evidence behind his analytical framework, allowing interested parties to read the material and
draw their own conclusions.
Among other things, Brenner provides considerable evidence that the larger and somewhat more
mainstream right-wing Zionist faction later led by Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin was
almost invariably regarded as a Fascist movement during the 1930s, even apart from its warm
admiration for Mussolini's Italian regime. This was hardly such a dark secret in that period
given that its main Palestine newspaper carried a regular column by a top ideological leader
entitled "Diary of a Fascist." During one of the major international Zionist conferences,
factional leader Vladimir Zabotinsky entered the hall with his brown-shirted followers in full
military formation, leading the chair to ban the wearing of uniforms in order to avoid a riot,
and his faction was soon defeated politically and eventually expelled from the Zionist umbrella
organization. This major setback was largely due to the widespread hostility the group had
aroused after two of its members were arrested by British police for the recent assassination
of Chaim Arlosoroff, one of the highest-ranking Zionist officials based in Palestine.
The cover of the 2014 paperback edition of Brenner's book displays the commemorative medal
struck by Nazi Germany to mark its Zionist alliance, with a Star-of-David on the front face and
a Swastika on the obverse. But oddly enough, this symbolic medallion actually had absolutely no
connection with the unsuccessful attempts by Shamir's small faction to arrange a Nazi military
alliance during World War II.
Although the Germans paid little attention to the entreaties of that minor organization, the
far larger and more influential mainstream Zionist movement of Chaim Weizmann and David
Ben-Gurion was something else entirely. And during most of the 1930s, these other Zionists had
formed an important economic partnership with Nazi Germany, based upon an obvious commonality
of interests. After all, Hitler regarded Germany's one percent Jewish population as a
disruptive and potentially dangerous element which he wanted gone, and the Middle East seemed
as good a destination for them as any other. Meanwhile, the Zionists had very similar
objectives, and the creation of their new national homeland in Palestine obviously required
both Jewish immigrants and Jewish financial investment.
... ... ...
The importance of the Nazi-Zionist pact for Israel's establishment is difficult to
overstate. According to a 1974 analysis in Jewish Frontier cited by Brenner, between
1933 and 1939 over 60% of all the investment in Jewish Palestine came from Nazi Germany. The
worldwide impoverishment of the Great Depression had drastically reduced ongoing Jewish
financial support from all other sources, and Brenner reasonably suggests that without Hitler's
financial backing, the nascent Jewish colony, so tiny and fragile, might easily have shriveled
up and died during that difficult period.
Such a conclusion leads to fascinating hypotheticals. When I first stumbled across
references to the Ha'avara Agreement on websites here and there, one of the commenters
mentioning the issue half-jokingly suggested that if Hitler had won the war, statues would
surely have been built to him throughout Israel and he would today be recognized by Jews
everywhere as the heroic Gentile leader who had played the central role in reestablishing a
national homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine after almost 2000 years of bitter
exile.
This sort of astonishing counter-factual possibility is not nearly as totally absurd as it
might sound to our present-day ears. We must recognize that our historical understanding of
reality is shaped by the media, and media organs are controlled by the winners of major wars
and their allies, with inconvenient details often excluded to avoid confusing the public. It is
undeniably true that in his 1924 book Mein Kampf , Hitler had written all sorts of
hostile and nasty things about Jews, especially those who were recent immigrants from Eastern
Europe, but when I read the book back in high school, I was a little surprised to discover that
these anti-Jewish sentiments hardly seemed central to his text. Furthermore, just a couple of
years earlier, a vastly more prominent public figure such as British Minister Winston Churchill
had published
sentiments nearly as hostile and nasty , focusing on the monstrous crimes being committed
by Bolshevik Jews. In Albert Lindemann's Esau's Tears , I was surprised to discover
that the author of the famous Balfour Declaration, the foundation of the Zionist project, was
apparently also quite hostile to Jews, with an element of his motivation probably being his
desire to exclude them from Britain.
Once Hitler consolidated power in Germany, he quickly outlawed all other political
organizations for the German people, with only the Nazi Party and Nazi political symbols being
legally permitted. But a special exception was made for German Jews, and Germany's local
Zionist Party was accorded complete legal status, with Zionist marches, Zionist uniforms, and
Zionist flags all fully permitted. Under Hitler, there was strict censorship of all German
publications, but the weekly Zionist newspaper was freely sold at all newsstands and street
corners. The clear notion seemed to be that a German National Socialist Party was the proper
political home for the country's 99% German majority, while Zionist National Socialism would
fill the same role for the tiny Jewish minority.
In 1934, Zionist leaders invited an important SS official to spend six months visiting the
Jewish settlement in Palestine, and upon his return, his very favorable impressions of the
growing Zionist enterprise were published as a massive 12-part-series in Joseph Goebbel's
Der Angriff , the flagship media organ of the Nazi Party, bearing the descriptive
title "A Nazi Goes to Palestine." In his very angry 1920 critique of Jewish Bolshevik activity,
Churchill had argued that Zionism was locked in a fierce battle with Bolshevism for the soul of
European Jewry, and only its victory might ensure amicable future relations between Jew and
Gentile. Based on available evidence, Hitler and many of the other Nazi leaders seemed to have
reached a somewhat similar conclusion by the mid-1930s.
During that era extremely harsh sentiments regarding Diaspora Jewry were sometimes found in
rather surprising quarters. After the controversy surrounding Shamir's Nazi ties erupted into
the headlines, Brenner's material became the grist for an important article by Edward Mortimer,
the longtime Middle East expert at the august Times of London , and the 2014 edition
of the book includes some choice extracts from Mortimer's February 11, 1984 Times
piece:
Who told a Berlin audience in March 1912 that "each country can absorb only a limited
number of Jews, if she doesn't want disorders in her stomach. Germany already has too many
Jews"?
No, not Adolf Hitler but Chaim Weizmann, later president of the World Zionist Organization
and later still the first president of the state of Israel.
And where might you find the following assertion, originally composed in 1917 but
republished as late as 1936: "The Jew is a caricature of a normal, natural human being, both
physically and spiritually. As an individual in society he revolts and throws off the harness
of social obligation, knows no order nor discipline"?
Not in Der Sturmer but in the organ of the Zionist youth organization, Hashomer
Hatzair.
As the above quoted statement reveals, Zionism itself encouraged and exploited self-hatred
in the Diaspora. It started from the assumption that anti-Semitism was inevitable and even in
a sense justified so long as Jews were outside the land of Israel.
It is true that only an extreme lunatic fringe of Zionism went so far as to offer to join
the war on Germany's side in 1941, in the hope of establishing "the historical Jewish state
on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich."
Unfortunately this was the group which the present Prime Minister of Israel chose to
join.
The very uncomfortable truth is that the harsh characterizations of Diaspora Jewry found in
the pages of Mein Kampf were not all that different from what was voiced by Zionism's
founding fathers and its subsequent leaders, so the cooperation of those two ideological
movements was not really so totally surprising.
However, uncomfortable truths do remain uncomfortable. Mortimer had spent nineteen years at
the Times , the last dozen of them as the foreign specialist and leader-writer on
Middle Eastern affairs. But the year after he wrote that article including those controversial
quotations, his
career at that newspaper ended , leading to an unusual gap in his employment history, and
that development may or may not be purely coincidental.
Also quite ironic was the role of Adolf Eichmann, whose name today probably ranks as one of
the most famous half-dozen Nazis in history, due to his postwar 1960 kidnapping by Israeli
agents, followed by his public show-trial and execution as a war-criminal. As it happens,
Eichmann had been a central Nazi figure in the Zionist alliance, even studying Hebrew and
apparently becoming something of a philo-Semite during the years of his close collaboration
with top Zionist leaders.
Brenner is a captive of his ideology and his beliefs, accepting without question the
historical narrative with which he was raised. He seems to find nothing so strange about
Eichmann being a philo-Semitic partner of the Jewish Zionists during the late 1930s and then
suddenly being transformed into a mass-murderer of the European Jews in the early 1940s,
willingly committing the monstrous crimes for which the Israelis later justly put him to
death.
This is certainly possible, but I really wonder. A more cynical observer might find it a
very odd coincidence that the first prominent Nazi the Israelis made such an effort to track
down and kill had been their closest former political ally and collaborator. After Germany's
defeat, Eichmann had fled to Argentina and lived there quietly for a number of years until his
name resurfaced in a celebrated mid-1950s controversy surrounding one of his leading Zionist
partners, then living in Israel as a respected government official, who was denounced as a Nazi
collaborator, eventually ruled innocent after a celebrated trial, but later assassinated by
former members of Shamir's faction.
Following that controversy in Israel, Eichmann supposedly gave a long personal interview to
a Dutch Nazi journalist, and although it wasn't published at the time, perhaps word of its
existence may have gotten into circulation. The new state of Israel was just a few years old at
that time, and very politically and economically fragile, desperately dependent upon the
goodwill and support of America and Jewish donors worldwide. Their remarkable former Nazi
alliance was a deeply-suppressed secret, whose public release might have had absolutely
disastrous consequences.
According to the version of the interview later published as a two-part story in Life
Magazine , Eichmann's statements seemingly did not touch on the deadly topic of the 1930s
Nazi-Zionist partnership. But surely Israeli leaders must have been terrified that they might
not be so lucky the next time, so we may speculate that Eichmann's elimination suddenly became
a top national priority, and he was tracked down and captured in 1960. Presumably, harsh means
were employed to persuade him not to reveal any of these dangerous pre-war secrets at his
Jerusalem trial, and one might wonder if the reason he was famously kept in an enclosed glass
booth was to ensure that the sound could quickly be cut off if he started to stray from the
agreed upon script. All of this analysis is totally speculative, but Eichmann's role as a
central figure in the 1930s Nazi-Zionist partnership is undeniable historical fact.
Just as we might imagine, America's overwhelmingly pro-Israel publishing industry was hardly
eager to serve as a public conduit for Brenner's shocking revelations of a close Nazi-Zionist
economic partnership, and he mentions that his book agent uniformly received rejections from
each firm he approached, based on a wide variety of different excuses. However, he finally
managed to locate an extremely obscure publisher in Britain willing to take on the project, and
his book was released in 1983, initially receiving no reviews other than a couple of harsh and
perfunctory denunciations, though Soviet Izvestia took some interest in his findings
until they discovered that he was a hated Trotskyite.
His big break came when Shamir suddenly became Israel's Prime Minister, and he brought his
evidence of former Nazi ties to the English-language Palestinian press, which put it into
general circulation. Various British Marxists, including the notorious "Red Ken" Livingstone of
London, organized a speaking tour for him, and when a group of right-wing Zionist militants
attacked one of the events and inflicted injuries, the story of the brawl caught the attention
of the mainstream newspapers. Soon afterward the discussion of Brenner's astonishing
discoveries appeared in the Times of London and entered the international media.
Presumably, the New York Times article that had originally caught my eye ran sometime
during this period.
Public relations professionals are quite skilled at minimizing the impact of damaging
revelations, and pro-Israel organizations have no shortage of such individuals. Just before the
1983 release of his remarkable book, Brenner suddenly discovered that a young pro-Zionist
author named Edwin Black was furiously working on a similar project, apparently backed by
sufficient financial resources that he was employing an army of fifty researchers to allow him
to complete his project in record time.
Since the entire embarrassing subject of a Nazi-Zionist partnership had been kept away from
the public eye for almost five decades, this timing surely seems more than merely coincidental.
Presumably word of Brenner's numerous unsuccessful efforts at securing a mainstream publisher
during 1982 had gotten around, as had as his eventual success in locating a tiny one in
Britain. Having failed to prevent publication of such explosive material, pro-Israel groups
quietly decided that their next best option was trying to seize control of the topic
themselves, allowing disclosure of those parts of the story that could not be concealed but
excluding items of greatest danger, while portraying the sordid history in the best possible
light.
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Black's book, The Transfer Agreement , may have arrived a year later than Brenner's
but was clearly backed by vastly greater publicity and resources. It was released by Macmillan,
a leading publisher, ran nearly twice the length of Brenner's short book, and carried powerful
endorsements by leading figures from the firmament of Jewish activism, including the Simon
Weisenthal Center, the Israel Holocaust Memorial, and the American Jewish Archives. As a
consequence, it received long if not necessarily favorable reviews in influential publications
such as The New Republic and Commentary .
In all fairness, I should mention that in the Foreword to his book, Black claims that his
research efforts had been totally discouraged by nearly everyone he approached, and as a
consequence, he had been working on the project with solitary intensity for many years. This
implies the near-simultaneous release of the two books was purely due to chance. But such a
picture is hardly consistent with his glowing testimonials from so many prominent Jewish
leaders, and personally I find Brenner's claim that Black was assisted by fifty researchers far
more convincing.
Since both Black and Brenner were describing the same basic reality and relying upon many of
the same documents, in most respects the stories they tell are generally similar. But Black
carefully excludes any mention of offers of Zionist military cooperation with the Nazis, let
alone the repeated attempts by Shamir's Zionist faction to officially join the Axis Powers
after the war had broken out, as well as numerous other details of a particularly embarrassing
nature.
Assuming Black's book was published for the reasons I suggested, I think that the strategy
of the pro-Israel groups largely succeeded, with his version of the history seeming to have
quickly supplanted Brenner's except perhaps in strongly leftist or anti-Zionist circles.
Googling each combination of the title and author, Black's book gets eight times as many hits,
and his Amazon sales ranks and numbers of reviews are also larger by roughly that same factor.
Most notably, neither the Wikipedia articles on "The Transfer Agreement" and
"The
Ha'avara Agreement" contain any mention of Brenner's research whatsoever, even
though his book was published earlier, was far broader, and only he provided the underlying
documentary evidence. As a personal example of the current situation, I was quite unaware of
the entire Ha'avara history until just a few years ago when I encountered some website
comments mentioning Black's book, leading me to purchase and read it. But even then, Brenner's
far more wide-ranging and explosive volume remained totally unknown to me until very
recently.
Once World War II began, this Nazi-Zionist partnership quickly lapsed for obvious reasons.
Germany was now at war with the British Empire, and financial transfers to British-run
Palestine were no longer possible. Furthermore, the Arab Palestinians had grown quite hostile
to the Jewish immigrants whom they rightfully feared might eventually displace them, and once
the Germans were forced to choose between maintaining their relationship with a relatively
small Zionist movement or winning the political sympathy of a vast sea of Middle Eastern Arabs
and Muslims, their decision was a natural one. The Zionists faced a similar choice, and
especially once wartime propaganda began so heavily blackening the German and Italian
governments, their long previous partnership was not something they wanted widely known.
However, at exactly this same moment a somewhat different and equally long-forgotten
connection between Jews and Nazi Germany suddenly moved to the fore.
Like most people everywhere, the average German, whether Jewish or Gentile, was probably not
all that political, and although Zionism had for years been accorded a privileged place in
German society, it is not entirely clear how many ordinary German Jews paid much attention to
it. The tens of thousands who emigrated to Palestine during that period were probably motivated
as much by economic pressures as by ideological commitment. But wartime changed matters in
other ways.
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This was even more true for the German government. The outbreak of a world war against a
powerful coalition of the British and French empires, later augmented by both Soviet Russia and
the United States, imposed the sorts of enormous pressures that could often overcome
ideological scruples. A few years ago, I discovered a fascinating 2002 book by Bryan Mark Rigg,
Hitler's Jewish Soldiers , a scholarly treatment of exactly what the title implies.
The quality of this controversial historical analysis is indicated by the glowing jacket-blurbs
from numerous academic experts and an extremely favorable treatment by an eminent scholar in
The American Historical Review .
Obviously, Nazi ideology was overwhelmingly centered upon race and considered racial purity
a crucial factor in national cohesion. Individuals possessing substantial non-German ancestry
were regarded with considerable suspicion, and this concern was greatly amplified if that
admixture was Jewish. But in a military struggle against an opposing coalition possessing many
times Germany's population and industrial resources, such ideological factors might be overcome
by practical considerations, and Rigg persuasively argues that some 150,000 half-Jews or
quarter-Jews served in the armed forces of the Third Reich, a percentage probably not much
different than their share of the general military-age population.
Germany's long-integrated and assimilated Jewish population had always been
disproportionately urban, affluent, and well-educated. As a consequence it is not entirely
surprising that a large proportion of these part-Jewish soldiers who served Hitler were
actually combat officers rather than merely rank-and-file conscripts, and they included at
least 15 half-Jewish generals and admirals, and another dozen quarter-Jews holding those same
high ranks. The most notable example was Field Marshal Erhard Milch, Hermann Goering's powerful
second-in-command, who played such an important operational role in creating the Luftwaffe.
Milch certainly had a Jewish father, and according to some much less substantiated claims,
perhaps even a Jewish mother as well, while his sister was married to an SS general.
Admittedly, the racially-elite SS itself generally had far stricter ancestry standards, with
even a trace of non-Aryan parentage normally seen as disqualifying an individual from
membership. But even here, the situation was sometimes complicated, since there were widespread
rumors that Reinhard Heydrich, the second-ranking figure in that very powerful organization,
actually had considerable Jewish ancestry. Rigg investigates that claim without coming to any
clear conclusions, though he does seem to think that the circumstantial evidence involved may
have been used by other high-ranking Nazi figures as a point of leverage or blackmail against
Heydrich, who stood as one of the most important figures in the Third Reich.
As a further irony, most of these individuals traced their Jewish ancestry through their
father rather than their mother, so although they were not Jewish according to rabbinical law,
their family names often reflected their partly Semitic origins, though in many cases Nazi
authorities attempted to studiously overlook this glaringly obvious situation. As an extreme
example noted by an academic reviewer of the book, a half-Jew bearing the distinctly non-Aryan
name of Werner Goldberg actually had his photograph prominently featured in a 1939 Nazi
propaganda newspaper, with the caption describing him as the "The Ideal German Soldier."
The author conducted more than 400 personal interviews of the surviving part-Jews and their
relatives, and these painted a very mixed picture of the difficulties they had encountered
under the Nazi regime, which varied enormously depending upon particular circumstances and the
personalities of those in authority over them. One important source of complaint was that
because of their status, part-Jews were often denied the military honors or promotions they had
rightfully earned. However, under especially favorable conditions, they might also be legally
reclassified as being of "German Blood," which officially eliminated any taint on their
status.
Even official policy seems to have been quite contradictory and vacillating. For example,
when the civilian humiliations sometimes inflicted upon the fully Jewish parents of serving
half-Jews were brought to Hitler's attention, he regarded that situation as intolerable,
declaring that either such parents must be fully protected against such indignities or all the
half-Jews must be discharged, and eventually in April 1940 he issued a decree requiring the
latter. However, this order was largely ignored by many commanders, or implemented through a
honor-system that almost amounted to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," so a considerable fraction of
half-Jews remained in the military if they so wished. And then in July 1941, Hitler somewhat
reversed himself, issuing a new decree that allowed "worthy" half-Jews who had been discharged
to return to the military as officers, while also announcing that after the war, all
quarter-Jews would be reclassified as fully "German Blood" Aryan citizens.
It has been said that after questions were raised about the Jewish ancestry of some of his
subordinates, Goring once angrily responded "I will decide who is a Jew!" and that attitude
seems to reasonably capture some of the complexity and subjective nature of the social
situation.
Interestingly enough, many of part-Jews interviewed by Rigg recalled that prior to Hitler's
rise to power, the intermarriage of their parents had often provoked much greater hostility
from the Jewish rather than the Gentile side of their families, suggesting that even in
heavily-assimilated Germany, the traditional Jewish tendency toward ethnic exclusivity had
still remained a powerful factor in that community.
Although the part-Jews in German military service were certainly subject to various forms of
mistreatment and discrimination, perhaps we should compare this against the analogous situation
in our own military in those same years with regard to America's Japanese or black minorities.
During that era, racial intermarriage was legally prohibited across a large portion of the US,
so the mixed-race population of those groups was either almost non-existent or very different
in origin. But when Japanese-Americans were allowed to leave their wartime concentration camps
and enlist in the military, they were entirely restricted to segregated all-Japanese units, but
with the officers generally being white. Meanwhile, blacks were almost entirely barred from
combat service, though they sometimes served in strictly-segregated support roles. The notion
that an American with any appreciable trace of African, Japanese, or for that matter Chinese
ancestry might serve as a general or even an officer in the U.S. military and thereby exercise
command authority over white American troops would have been almost unthinkable. The contrast
with the practice in Hitler's own military is quite different than what Americans might naively
assume.
This paradox is not nearly as surprising as one might assume. The non-economic divisions in
European societies had almost always been along lines of religion, language, and culture rather
than racial ancestry, and the social tradition of more than a millennium could not easily be
swept away by merely a half-dozen years of National Socialist ideology. During all those
earlier centuries, a sincerely-baptized Jew, whether in Germany or elsewhere, was usually
considered just as good a Christian as any other. For example, Tomas de Torquemada, the most
fearsome figure of the dreaded Spanish Inquisition, actually came from a family of Jewish
converts.
Even wider racial differences were hardly considered of crucial importance. Some of the
greatest heroes of particular national cultures, such as Russia's Alexander Pushkin and
France's Alexandre Dumas, had been individuals with significant black African ancestry, and
this was certainly not considered any sort of disqualifying characteristic.
By contrast, American society from its inception had always been sharply divided by race,
with other differences generally constituting far smaller impediments to intermarriage and
amalgamation. I've seen widespread claims that when the Third Reich devised its 1935 Nuremberg
Laws restricting marriage and other social arrangements between Aryans, non-Aryans, and
part-Aryans, its experts drew upon some of America's long legal experience in similar matters,
and this seems quite plausible. Under that new Nazi statute, pre-existing mixed-marriages
received some legal protection, but henceforth Jews and half-Jews could only marry each other,
while quarter-Jews could only marry regular Aryans. The obvious intent was to absorb that
latter group into mainstream German society, while isolating the more heavily-Jewish
population.
Ironically enough, Israel today is one of very few countries with a similar sort of strictly
racially-based criteria for citizenship status and other privileges, with
the Jewish-only immigration policy now often determined by DNA testing , and marriages
between Jews and non-Jews legally prohibited. A few years ago, the world media also carried
the
remarkable story of a Palestinian Arab sentenced to prison for rape because he had
consensual sexual relations with a Jewish woman by passing himself off as a fellow Jew.
Since Orthodox Judaism is strictly matrilineal and controls Israeli law, even Jews of other
branches can experience unexpected difficulties due to conflicts between personal ethnic
identity and official legal status. The vast majority of the wealthier and more influential
Jewish families worldwide do not follow Orthodox religious traditions, and over the
generations, they have often taken Gentile wives. However, even if the latter had converted to
Judaism, their conversions are considered invalid by the Orthodox Rabbinate, and none of their
resulting descendants are considered Jewish. So if some members of these families later develop
a deep commitment to their Jewish heritage and immigrate to Israel, they are sometimes outraged
to discover that they are officially classified as "goyim" under Orthodox law and legally
prohibited from marrying Jews. These major political controversies periodically erupt and
sometimes
reach the international medi a.
Now it seems to me that any American official who proposed racial DNA tests to decide upon
the admission or exclusion of prospective immigrants would have a very difficult time remaining
in office, with the Jewish-activists of organizations like the ADL probably leading the attack.
And the same would surely be true for any prosecutor or judge who non-whites to prison for the
crime of "passing" as whites and thereby managing to seduce women from that latter group. A
similar fate would befall advocates of such policies in Britain, France, or most other Western
nations, with the local ADL-type organization certainly playing an important role. Yet in
Israel, such existing laws merely occasion a little temporary embarrassment when they are
covered in the international media, and then invariably remain in place after the commotion has
died down and been forgotten. These sorts of issues are considered of little more importance
than were the past wartime Nazi ties of the Israeli prime minister throughout most of the
1980s.
But perhaps the solution to this puzzling difference in public reaction lies in an old joke.
A leftist wit once claimed that the reason America has never had a military coup is that it is
the only country in the world that lacks an American embassy to organize such activities. And
unlike the U.S., Britain, France, and many other predominately-white countries, Israel has no
domestic Jewish-activist organization filling the powerful role of the ADL.
Over the last few years, many outside observers have noted a seemingly very odd political
situation in Ukraine. That unfortunate country possesses powerful militant groups, whose public
symbols, stated ideology, and political ancestry all unmistakably mark them as Neo-Nazis. Yet
those
violent Neo-Nazi elements are all being bankrolled and controlled by a Jewish Oligarch who holds dual
Israeli citizenship. Furthermore, that peculiar alliance had been mid-wifed and blessed by some
of America's leading Jewish Neocon figures, such as Victoria Nuland, who have successfully used
their media influence to keep such explosive facts away from the American public.
At first glance,
a close relationship between Jewish Israelis and European Neo-Nazis seems as grotesque and
bizarre a misalliance as one could imagine, but after recently reading Brenner's fascinating
book, my perspective quickly shifted. Indeed, the main difference between then and now is that
during the 1930s, Zionist factions represented a very insignificant junior partner to a
powerful Third Reich, while these days it is the Nazis who occupy the role of eager suppliants
to the formidable power of International Zionism, which now so heavily dominates the American
political system and through it, much of the world.
"... In addition, Russia is being literally fenced off from Europe, with NATO members and/or EU member states Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland building border fences. Finland, Norway and Ukraine are members of neither NATO nor the EU but contribute to NATO and are also building fences with Russia. ..."
"All Russian security documents explicitly single out the challenges that the policies of Western states supposedly create
for Russian security (with particularly harsh words in the Security strategy). Grievances connected to what Russia sees as 'systemic
problems in the Euro-Atlantic region' (Foreign policy concept), the enlargement of NATO, the location of its military infrastructure
close to Russian borders, its 'offensive capabilities' and the trend towards the Alliance acquiring 'global functions', the 'symptoms'
of the U.S. efforts to retain absolute military supremacy (the global antimissile system, Global Strike capabilities, militarization
of space) "
Are Russian forces in Canada and Mexico conducting joint exercises against the US? No. Are Russian forces in Ireland conducting
joint exercises against Britain? No. Is there an obvious Russian presence in Scotland promoting independence from the UK? No. But
Britain and the US are mounted on Russia's borders and conducting joint exercises with its neighbors.
In addition, Russia is being literally fenced off from Europe, with NATO members and/or EU member states Estonia, Latvia,
Lithuania and Poland building border fences. Finland, Norway and Ukraine are members of neither NATO nor the EU but contribute to
NATO and are also building fences with Russia.
But what do Russia's neighbours, like the Estonians, rank as their national security priorities? A
survey suggests that for Estonians, the biggest threat to global security is the Islamic State, followed by the refugee crisis
in Europe and the war in Syria. Russia came fourth on the list, even after the Ukraine crisis. According to
Gallup , a majority
52% of Estonians consider NATO a protective force, but 43% see it as either a threat (17%) or neither (26%). Estonians are behind
Kosovars, Albanians, Poles and Lithuanians in their opinions of NATO.
War with Iran? I can not imagine a more foolish thing to do.
Of course they will rally with their own Countrymen, everyone hates the USA.
The World economy will be in a complete tailspin, the US will likely finally go broke over it
and chances are pretty good that Israel will be flattened and paved [one positive thing].
You fight Iran you fight China, you don't go messing with their road. Likely not bombs and
guns either most likely money, something America has not much of.
The faster America dumps this crazy fascination with the Jews the faster it will get it's
act together and become a Country again.
What can that possibly mean? We can bomb Iran back into the Stone Age, but Iran does not
need a modern economy or military to close Hormuz. All they need do is fire a few land-based
artillery and anti-ship missiles at a defenseless freighter or tanker. The insurance
companies would do the rest–remove all commercial shipping from the Persian and Oman
Gulf regions. That eliminates 20% of the World's oil supply, and it would collapse the
World's economy, including our own.
Asymmetric warfare would engulf the entire Middle East, including Israel, with its large
native Arab population and its occupation of large Arab populations in Gaza and the West
Bank.
Iran has the upper hand here. We need to be very careful.
Let's face it-when we impose sanctions on Iran, we are already at war with them. Just like we
are already at war with Russia. Imbeciles, all who run this country.
Oil is the vital strategic Western interest in the Persian Gulf. Yet a war with Iran
would imperil, not secure, that interest.
The American Empire's only strategic three letter word interest in the Middle East is O --
I –L.
The WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire and the Jew-controlled Neo-Conservative
faction in the Republican Party wants to elevate the three letter word J -- E –W to
paramount importance in the Middle East.
OIL and only OIL should guide the policy making considerations of the American Empire in
the Middle East.
"... Is resettling a terrorist front group in the West a good idea? ..."
"... The White Helmets ..."
"... The Washington Post ..."
"... Syria conflict: White Helmets evacuated by Israel. ..."
"... The BBC story could have been written by the White Helmets themselves or by their press department. Or alternatively by the Israeli Foreign Ministry. First of all, the Israelis do not do humanitarian gestures. They helped bail out the White Helmets at the request of the U.S. because capture by the Syrians would have produced embarrassing revelations about how the group was funded and what its affiliation with terrorists was all about. And Israel's denial of involvement in Syria is nonsense, unless one considers demonstrated collaboration with the terrorist groups punctuated by nearly weekly bombing and missile attacks to be non-involvement. ..."
"... The British too are into the deception up to their eyeballs. The comment by Hunt and Mordaunt is complete fabrication regarding what the White Helmets represent. The same goes for the BBC account of how the group developed, which comes directly from the White Helmet's own propaganda division as amplified by Hollywood and the U.S. and U.K. governments. ..."
"... The White Helmets travel to bombing sites with their film crews trailing behind them. Once at the sites, with no independent observers, they are able to arrange or even stage what is filmed to conform to their selected narrative which consistently promotes tales of government atrocities against civilians to encourage outside military intervention in Syria and bring about regime change in Damascus. The White Helmets were, for example, the propagators of the totally false but propagandistically effective claims regarding the government use of so-called "barrel bombs" against civilians. ..."
"... Peter Ford, British Ambassador in Damascus from 2003-2006, recently described the group in an audio interview saying, "The White Helmets are jihadi auxiliaries. They are not, as claimed by themselves and by their supporters simple rescuers. They are not volunteers. They are paid professionals of disinformation." ..."
"... All their activities are directed at mobilizing Western opinion behind the jihadis with whom they associate. They co-locate their centers with the Al-Qaeda organization known as Al-Nusra and with other militant groups such as Jaish al-Islam. They have in the past been shown associating with and waving the flags of ISIS." ..."
"... The group is currently largely funded by a number of non-government organizations (NGOs) as well as governments, including the United States, Britain and some European Union member states. The U.S. has directly provided $23 million through the USAID (US Agency for International Development) as of 2016 and almost certainly considerably more indirectly. ..."
"... Perhaps the most serious charge against the White Helmets consists of the evidence that they actively participated in the atrocities , to include torture and murder, carried out by their al-Nusra hosts. There have been numerous photos of the White Helmets operating directly with armed terrorists and also celebrating over the bodies of execution victims and murdered Iraqi soldiers. The group's jihadi associates regard the White Helmets as fellow "mujahideen" and "soldiers of the revolution." ..."
"... The White Helmets were and are part and parcel of the attempt to overthrow a legitimate government and install a regime friendly to western, American and Israeli interests. For Israel in particular the ongoing chaos in Syria was and is part of its plan for dividing all of its neighbors into warring ethnicities and sects, making them less viable as threats to the Jewish state. ..."
Is resettling a terrorist front group in the West a good idea?
When is a terrorist group not a terrorist group? Apparently the answer is that it ceases to
be terrorist when it terrorizes someone who is an enemy of the United States. The most
prominent recent example is the Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), a murderous Iranian Marxist cult
which assassinated five Americans in the 1970s as part of its campaign against the Shah's
government. It was removed from the State Department terrorist list in 2012 by Secretary of
State Hillary Clinton after it had promised not to kill any more Americans but really because
it had bought the support of prominent politicians to include Elaine Chao, Rudy Giuliani, Newt
Gingrich, and John Bolton. It also had the behind the scenes endorsement of both the Israeli
Mossad and CIA, both of whom have been using it in their operations to kill Iranians and damage
the country's infrastructure. Someone high up in the federal government, perhaps Hillary or
even President Obama himself, must have decided that terrorists who kill only Iranians deserve
a get out of jail free card from the State Department.
There are other examples of cynical doublespeak from the Syrian conflict, including labeling
rebels against the Damascus government "freedom fighters" when in reality they were as often as
not allied with the al-Qaeda affiliated group Al-Nusra or even with ISIS. Frequently they
received training and weapons from Washington only to turn around and either join Al-Nusra and
ISIS as volunteers or surrender their weapons to them.
But perhaps there is no bigger fraud making the rounds than the so-called White Helmets. The
recent media coverage derives from the documentary The White Helmets , which was
produced by the group itself and tells a very convincing tale
promoted as "the story of real-life heroes and impossible hope." It is a very impressive
piece of propaganda, so much so that it has won numerous awards including the Oscar for Best
Documentary Short last year and the White Helmets themselves were nominated for the Nobel Peace
Prize. More to the point, however, is the undeniable fact that the documentary has helped shape
the public understanding of what is going on in Syria, describing the government in Damascus in
purely negative terms.
The fawning Hollywood and Congressional depictions of the group go something like this: "the
White Helmets are an 'heroic' impartial non-government humanitarian volunteer group that
engages in 'first response' emergency rescue and medical treatment for all those who have been
impacted by the fighting in Syria. The Syrian government hates the group because it assists
victims of the fighting who are either rebels or living in rebel held areas. Recently, with the
Syrian Army closing in on the last White Helmet affiliates still operating in the country, the
Israeli government, assisted by the United States, staged an emergency humanitarian evacuation
of the group's members and their families to Israel and then on to Jordan."
Virtually all the mainstream media coverage of the White Helmets is bogus, but by far the
most ridiculous account of the Exodus from Syria came from the BBC. For those who are not
familiar with it, the BBC, which once upon a time had a reputation for journalistic integrity,
has become one of the worst pro-government propaganda shills of all time. Reading its articles
is even worse that having a similar go at The Washington Post , which is the prime
newspaper exemplar of fake news and phony journalism pretending to be a respectable news source
in the United States. Let's face it, Donald Trump has a point. Nearly all of the mainstream
media lies persistently these days but some sources are worse than others. People complain
about Fox, and rightly so, but CNN is the absolute pits when it comes to slanting its coverage,
as is MSNBC.
BBC's article is entitled Syria
conflict: White Helmets evacuated by Israel. It makes the following statements, many
coming directly from Israeli official sources, regarding the White Helmets, its activities and
the group's relationship to some governments, to include Britain:
"The IDF said they had
'completed a humanitarian effort to rescue members of a Syrian civil organization and their
families', saying there was an 'immediate threat to their lives.' The transfer of the displaced
Syrians through Israel was an exceptional humanitarian gesture." "Although Israel is not
directly involved in the Syria conflict, the two countries have been in a state of war for
decades. Despite the intervention, the IDF said that 'Israel continues to maintain a
non-intervention policy regarding the Syrian conflict.'" "A statement from Foreign Secretary
Jeremy Hunt and International Development Secretary Penny Mordaunt said: 'White Helmets have
been the target of attacks and, due to their high profile, we judged that, in these particular
circumstances, the volunteers required immediate protection. We pay tribute to the brave and
selfless work that White Helmet volunteers have done to save Syrians on all sides of the
conflict.'" "Their official name is the Syrian Civil Defense and it began in early 2013 as an
organization of volunteers from all walks of life, including electricians and builders. Its
main task soon became to rescue civilians in war zones in the immediate aftermath of air
strikes, and it says its volunteers have saved the lives of more than 100,000 people during the
civil war."
The BBC story could have been written by the White Helmets themselves or by their press
department. Or alternatively by the Israeli Foreign Ministry. First of all, the Israelis do not
do humanitarian gestures. They helped bail out the White Helmets at the request of the U.S.
because capture by the Syrians would have produced embarrassing revelations about how the group
was funded and what its affiliation with terrorists was all about. And Israel's denial of
involvement in Syria is nonsense, unless one considers demonstrated collaboration with the
terrorist groups punctuated by nearly weekly bombing and missile attacks to be
non-involvement.
The British too are into the deception up to their eyeballs. The comment by Hunt and
Mordaunt is complete fabrication regarding what the White Helmets represent. The same goes for
the BBC account of how the group developed, which comes directly from the White Helmet's own
propaganda division as amplified by Hollywood and the U.S. and U.K. governments.
Just as important as what is said about the White Helmets' activities is the exclusion of a
great deal of credible negative reporting on the group. The carefully edited scenes of heroism
under fire that have been filmed and released worldwide conceal the White Helmets' relationship
with the al-Qaeda affiliated group Jabhat al-Nusra and its participation in the torture and
execution of "rebel" opponents. Indeed, the White Helmets only operate in rebel held territory,
which enables them to shape the narrative both regarding who they are and what is occurring on
the ground.
Exploiting their access to the western media, the White Helmets thereby de facto
became a major source of "eyewitness" news regarding what was going on in those many parts of
Syria where European and American journalists were quite rightly afraid to go. It was all part
of a broader
largely successful "rebel" effort to manufacture fake news that depicts the Damascus
government as engaging in war crimes directed against civilians, an effort that led to several
attacks on government forces and facilities by the U.S. military.
The White Helmets travel to bombing sites with their film crews trailing behind them.
Once at the sites, with no independent observers, they are able to arrange or even stage what
is filmed to conform to their selected narrative which consistently promotes tales of
government atrocities against civilians to encourage outside military intervention in Syria and
bring about regime change in Damascus. The White Helmets were, for example, the propagators of
the
totally false but propagandistically effective claims regarding the government use of
so-called "barrel bombs" against civilians.
Peter Ford, British Ambassador in Damascus from 2003-2006, recently described the group
in
an audio interview saying, "The White Helmets are jihadi auxiliaries. They are not, as
claimed by themselves and by their supporters simple rescuers. They are not volunteers. They
are paid professionals of disinformation." He noted particularly the large size of the
organization's "press department", saying, "This gives us an idea what the priority is for this
very dubious organization. All their activities are directed at mobilizing Western opinion
behind the jihadis with whom they associate. They co-locate their centers with the Al-Qaeda
organization known as Al-Nusra and with other militant groups such as Jaish al-Islam. They have
in the past been shown associating with and waving the flags of ISIS."
The group is currently largely
funded by a number of non-government organizations (NGOs) as well as governments, including
the United States, Britain and some European Union member states. The U.S. has directly
provided $23 million through the USAID (US Agency for International Development) as of 2016 and
almost certainly considerably more indirectly. Max Blumenthal has
explored in some detail the various funding resources and relationships that the
organization draws on, mostly in Europe and the United States.
Perhaps the most serious charge against the White Helmets consists of the evidence that
they
actively participated in the atrocities , to include torture and murder, carried out by
their al-Nusra hosts. There have been numerous photos of the White
Helmets operating directly with armed terrorists and also celebrating over the bodies of
execution victims and murdered Iraqi soldiers. The group's jihadi associates regard the White
Helmets as fellow "mujahideen" and "soldiers of the revolution."
So Israel's celebrated rescue of the White Helmets was little more than a theatrical
performance intended to perpetuate the myth that the al-Assad government was thwarted in an
attempt to capture and possibly kill an honorable non-partisan group engaged in humanitarian
relief for those caught up in a bloody conflict seeking to oust a ruthless dictator. The
reality is quite different. The White Helmets were and are part and parcel of the attempt
to overthrow a legitimate government and install a regime friendly to western, American and
Israeli interests. For Israel in particular the ongoing chaos in Syria was and is part of its
plan for dividing all of its neighbors into warring ethnicities and sects, making them less
viable as threats to the Jewish state.
The 800 White Helmets rescued reportedly will be resettled in the U.S., Britain and Germany.
One hopes those coming to America can end up in Los Angeles, where they would presumably mingle
with Hollywood big shots and the usual snowflakes while working on their next documentary. As
some of them are most certainly radical Jihadists, it will be interesting to observe exactly
how that will play out.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is
[email protected].
"... While so much about the War on Terror turned Global War on Terrorism turned World War IV turned the Long War turned " generational struggle " turned " infinite war " seems repetitious, the troops most associated with this conflict -- the U.S. Special Operations forces -- have seen changes galore. ..."
"... "Vicious Iraqi dictator" Saddam Hussein is, of course, still dead and gone, but in 2014, about a third of "the new, democratic Iraq" was overrun by Islamic State militants. The country was only re-liberated in late 2017 and the Islamic State is already making a comeback there this year. ..."
"... In spite, or perhaps because, of these circumstances, SOCOM continues to thrive. Its budget, its personnel numbers, and just about any other measure you might choose (from missions to global reach) continue to rise. ..."
While so much about the War on Terror turned Global War on Terrorism
turned World War IV turned the
Long War turned "
generational struggle " turned "
infinite war " seems repetitious, the troops most associated with this conflict -- the U.S.
Special Operations forces -- have seen changes galore. As Representative Jim Saxton (R-NJ),
chairman of the Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee,
pointed out in 2006, referring to Special Operations Command by its acronym: "For almost
five years now, SOCOM has been leading the way in the war on terrorism: defeating the Taliban
and eliminating a terrorist safe haven in Afghanistan, removing a truly vicious Iraqi dictator,
and combating the terrorists who seek to destabilize the new, democratic Iraq."
Much has changed since Saxton looked back on SOCOM's role in the early years of the war on
terror. For starters,
Saxton retired almost a decade ago, but the Taliban, despite being "defeated" way back
when, didn't do the same. Today,
they contest for or control about
44% of Afghanistan. That country also hosts many more terror groups -- 20
in all -- than it did 12 years ago. "Vicious Iraqi dictator" Saddam Hussein is, of course,
still dead and gone, but in 2014, about a third of "the new, democratic Iraq" was overrun by
Islamic State militants. The country was only re-liberated in late
2017 and the Islamic State is already making a
comeback there this year.
Meanwhile, Iraq is
beset by anti-government
protests and totters along as one of the most
fragile states on the planet, while the Iraqi and Afghan war zones bled together -- with
U.S. special operators now fighting
an Islamic State terrorist franchise in Afghanistan, too.
In spite, or perhaps because, of these circumstances, SOCOM continues to thrive. Its budget,
its personnel numbers, and just about any other measure you might choose (from missions to
global reach) continue to rise. In 2006, for instance, 85% of Special Operations forces (SOF)
deployed overseas -- Army Green Berets and Rangers, Navy SEALs, and others -- were concentrated
in the Greater Middle East, with far smaller numbers spread thinly across the Pacific (7%),
Europe (3%), and Latin America (3%). Only 1% of them were then conducting missions in
Africa.
Trump is obviously engaging Iran to please his Jewish-in-law, who probably is laughing behind
his back. During the presidential political campaign, Trump made clear that he was against
regime change and that is why many people voted for him. He has gone back on that pledge,
once again, to please his Jewish son-in-law. Beyond that, Iran is no threat to America and
has nothing whatsoever to do with "making America great again".
Pat Buchanan vastly overestimates American military capabilities. Is he not aware of a war
game with Iran conducted by the Pentagon back in 2002 wherein the American navy lost 16 ships
including an aircraft carrier and 8 cruisers? The war game was even rigged to favor America,
and we still lost. Moreover, the military equipment the Iranians have today is far more
advanced than what they had in 2002. Wake up and smell the coffee Pat.
There is no doubt in my mind that if there is a war with Iran the American Fifth Fleet
would be decimated, as it would be hit by barrages of both subsonic and supersonic antiship
cruise missiles along with the supercavitating 225 mph Hoot torpedoes (based on Russian
technology). Not only that, American bases in that general area would be hit by numerous
surface to surface missiles. And of course Israel would be attacked and destroyed.
Since a land invasion of Iran is out of the question, because it would require at least a
2 million man army to even have a chance of being successful, that leaves the only option of
an air/naval military campaign. Since the Fifth Fleet would be destroyed within a few days of
that war, there would be no carrier launched aircraft. They would have to use land based
aircraft which would have to go up against the S-300, TOR and other air defense systems. The
losses would be enormous. The attacking aircraft that survive the air raids would have to fly
back to bases under rocket attack by the Iranians. The attacking aircraft, both manned and
unmanned, obviously would damage some of Iran's military assets but not to the point that
Iran would throw in the towel.
If any of you recall that several years ago the Iranians downed a highly sophisticated
American spy aircraft thru electronic means (It wasn't shot down.). They took it apart,
analyzed it and probably used its technology in their military equipment. This gives one an
insight into their capabilities.
If any of you think that a war with Iran would result in an American victory, you are
living in a fool's paradise.
Buchanan wrote "U.S., would swiftly prevail.", but your point is valid.
Iran fought a desperate 8-year war with Iraq, and never surrendered.
Iraq was supplied and assisted (e.g. satellite intelligence) by US, UK, etc. Iran basically
had no air-force or any modern (for the time) military equipment. Iranian teenage boys
volunteered by the 1,000s to walk over mine fields and clear them, so that valuable,
experienced soldiers could be spared to fight Iraqi military. As a side note, Iraq is now
Shia controlled and is allied with Iran.
{Iran has the upper hand here. We need to be very careful.}
Exactly. Unfortunately, neocons who run the WH and US foreign policy are not only evil,
but are also recklessly stupid. One cannot underestimate their arrogant stupidity to plunge
US and the region into another bloodbath.
As it stands now, Trump has already lost. The people that won him the election, the
independents and democrats that voted for him will not show up if he keeps on the path he is
on.
Unless he brings the troops home, all of them, makes peace with Russia, Iran, stops trying to
push other nations around like in Venezuela, letting Wall St-Zionists use our military to
make themselves richer while Americans that are already broke as fuk pay for it, droning and
assassinating people who pose no threat to Americans, repeal Patriot act and all of the other
anti-American laws that have been passed since the false flag of 9-11, those voters are not
gonna show up to vote for another Bush-0bama puppet. Stop funding and arming Christian
murdering terrorists for Israels benefit!
People voted for him cause they thought he would be a fighter, he bends over every time the
establishment and media starts throwing their fits, more sanctions, more MIC spending, going
back on everything he said. We're still stuck with crappy unaffordable "healthcare" that is
bankrupting people left and right, while we give Israel and the MIC billions.
If he pulls his nose out of Netanyahus, Wall st, and MIC's ass and does the above he will
win. If not he will lose.
Yeah, I doubt it too.
You make some very good points. The US military decision makers are also well aware of the
perils of attacking Iran. They would resist risking a war with Iran on behalf of the
neocons.
The US administration's war ploy is to intimidate Iran into an agreement to boost Trump's
standing with the voters in the Midterms2018.
Trump won't do a thing for Trumps a neocon himself,Trump was put in office by Jewish money
in fact he is still taking it, and the fools who voted him in office are still waiting for
the clown to keep his word on anything he promised
Iran will be another one of those easy to get into, hard to get out of wars. I'm sure the US
military will defeat the Iranian one within weeks at most. But then what?
Iran is a huge, mountainous country. Israel doesn't want it merely beaten, they want it to
be smashed to pieces because of something or other the Persians did to the Jews millennia
ago. So once again, the US will have to completely destroy a functioning, relatively modern
country and then rebuild it and occupy it for decades to come.
I doubt that many American soldiers would die but it will cost the US another couple of
trillion dollars in debt to the Rothschilds. So the Jews win twice; another ancient enemy
defeated at no cost to them AND the stupid, filthy goyim are even further in debt to
them.
"The faster America dumps this crazy fascination with the Jews the faster it will get it's
act together and become a Country again."
We can only do that by seizing control of the media and redistributing it to ourselves and
our supporters. It's not right that two Jewish strong holds – NY and LA – get to
control the entirety of the country's media and entertainment industry.
Why the hell is prime time CNN in NY instead of Atlanta (hint: to more easily control the
narrative by staffing positions from a pool of people more likely to share certain beliefs).
The NYT, The New Yorker, Hollywood, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News, a host of think tanks and
magazines, prominent websites and basically everything else is in just two or three
cities.
We erred very badly in letting the enemy control the narrative machine. Instead of
supporting corporate merges, we should be breaking them up. Instead of defunding public
broadcasting, we should fund it and make it more appealing than the propaganda outlets like
CNN, hurting our enemies by driving down their ratings and helping our cause in the
process.
We can follow this up by banning Israeli control organizations like the SPLC and the
ADL.
But unless we are willing to organize a viable opposition and take control away from the
vermin who originally seized it from our people in the first place, nothing will change.
Things will only get worse.
I don't think "Jewish money" was much of a factor in getting Orange Clown elected. I think
it may have actually tainted him and lowered his odds.
What put Orange Clown in office was Obama's attack on the Syrian Army at Deir Ezzor in
Sept. 2016, and the escalation of tension with Russia, IMO. I believe it was the prospect of
war with Russia that caused some antiwar democrats/Sanders supporters to hold their noses and
vote for Orange Clown that swung the election to him.
1) An electorate that has soured on Wilsonian interventionism to the point that they
managed to shut down talk of regime change in Syria back in 2013 unilaterally, despite being
supported by both the White House and the opposition dominated Congress, to say nothing of
mainstream media outlets high on the Arab Spring. And a President that was both nominated and
elected not least because voters figured he'd be less likely than his opponents to go on
military crusades abroad.
2) A treasury that is trillions of dollars in debt. News flash to the GOP: wars be
expensive, way more expensive than welfare programs.
3) A country with a cohesive basis in culture/ethnicity that nobody else in the Middle
East except for Israel has, three times Iraq's population, and a far more
functional/competent governmental apparatus, military, and special forces. Not to mention
that this time around, there's not going to be an oppressed majority sect fantasizing about
toppling the regime and getting revenge, a la the Shi'a in Iraq.
4) A military who hasn't faced a serious opponent in a long time.
5) Further confirming for the world-especially the people in Moscow and Beijing-that the
Americans are a bunch of trigger-happy kids hell-bent on spreading their decidedly
not-looking-very-good-from-a-distance political system around the world, and who should
never, ever be taken at their word. Not to mention sending a message to Pyongyang to make
sure we're aware of the nuclear bomb so that we don't decide KOREAN FREEDOM is next, and
advertising to Muslims in general that the stereotypes of spoiled Saud princes and the Jews
truly controlling things in Washington are all too true.
First let me state that I'm opposed to war with Iran, but there is an argument, and it may be
a neocon argument, but there is a legitimate argument for war with them.
1. The Iranian army, navy and air force could probably be destroyed within a couple of weeks
with air power alone.
2. Iranian infrastructure, bridges, communications, transportation, could also probably be,
at the least, severely damaged in an air attack. The US military could defang the Iranians
and put them in a vulnerable position for years to come.
3. Regime change, boots on the ground would be a grave mistake, although I believe the US
would eventually prevail, the cost in lives wouldn't be worth the fight.
4. Because the US petrodollar is the world's reserve currency, the US can keep printing to
pay for all the replacement costs of military hardware, and even take other steps, like
raising interest rates, to control inflation.
5. Finally, a 20% increase in the cost of oil would make shale oil look cheap and would add
millions of jobs to the US payrolls, making plenty of money for investors.
I'm a vet myself, and opposed to sending more of our guys to a foreign country to die, but
I could definitely see the chicken-hawks in DC win this argument.
PJB is one of the best but it is simply amazing to recall how many people have written so
many stories about how an Iran attack is imminent. Those stories have been out there since at
least 2005 when GWB was about to launch an air campaign against Iran and the dire concern
then was that US troops were vulnerable to retaliation in Iraq. Take a breath. It's not going
to happen. Trump knows it would be the end of his presidency. There are not enough neocons to
offset the loss of deplorable support. And in fact, the neocons are still going to hate him.
He sucks up to Israel, moves the Embassy and pulls out of the Iran deal and it gets him no
where with them.
I believe you underestimated the main reason Independents voted for Trump. Militant
Marxists taking over the MSM, and the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. If anything
the attacks on Trump and 'anybody but Hillary' voters have gotten more and more pointed and
aggressive. Do those voters care about Iran? No. Not to any significant degree when
confronted by aggressive enemies of what remains of their culture right here in the US trying
to take over the House in order to impeach Trump and to criminalize free speech (when it
doesn't favor their agendas). No 'blue wave' will materialize IMO. But even if it does, it's
going to get squashed by more of the same that it experienced in 2016. Can't wait to watch
them blame the Russians again while the wheels fall off of their little red wagons carrying
their dreams of the fourth coming of Hillary.
And of course Israel would be attacked and destroyed
.
How and by who? More likely Israel, which has the capability and motivation would do the
destroying. They've been flying their F35′s around Iran undetected.
He will have his war during his second term, and then, he could not care less. They are
gearing up now – economic sanctions that are imploding the economy, and protests in the
street.
Agree with you in general, but am just wondering why people think that asymmetrical
warfare by Iran would be confined to the Middle East? Suppose their sleeper cells in the US
decided to shut down our power grid–something that can be done with few resources and
little manpower. We already know that destroying fewer than ten electrical power substations
would do the trick, and those are alongside rural roads everywhere in the
country–"guarded" by modest chain-link fences and in plain view of the roads.
But suppose that the critical substations have been hardened by our efficient and
ever-forward-looking government bureaucrats. Simply knocking out substations "here and there"
could shut down entire cities–no water, no banking, no payments system, no distribution
system, no food in stores, etc., etc. That could be done quite easily in one night by a very
small number of men. Shut off Chicago's water supply. And Denver's. Bring down a bridge at
Baton Rouge and close the Mississippi to all traffic for months or even years. Etc. Does
anybody really believe that the Iranians are not prepared to do these very things?
I can't think why people seem to think that Iran's reaction would be confined to "the
Middle East." These are not stupid people.
{They've been flying their F35′s around Iran undetected.}
How could _you_ possibly know that? You think Iranians would announce they had detected an
F-35? Only Iranians know if they had detected F-35s or not.
Remember the "stealth" US drone RQ-170 that Iran captured intact? How were they able to
detect a stealth drone? And certainly a stealth drone is a lot harder to detect than a
stealth fighter jet. No?
It's worth pointing out that described abstractly, Zionism and Nazism are ideologically very
similar. Both are essentially exaggerations of Nineteenth century European racial
nationalism, both posit a more or less imaginary history to justify their territorial claims,
both ignore the rights of all others in favor of their chosen group, both openly worship
violence, and both are contemptuous of both legal and moral constraints. Israel has committed
crimes proportionately as horrific as any Nazi Germany committed up to the outbreak of total
war in 1941, and I'm all too confident that if total war did come to the Middle East, Israel
would take advantage of the opportunity to engage in some very genocidal treatment of her
Palestinian subjects.
The primary differences are really that while Nazism was defeated over seventy years ago,
Israel is still very much in being, and that while we here in the US opposed Nazism, we
support Israel.
Looks like "My way or the highway diplomacy" is the only one Trump masters in his long life.
Trump tries fully leverage the US global power before it dissipates ...
Notable quotes:
"... The track record is not encouraging. By constantly expanding its demands, the United States may have given the impression that its negotiations are not in good faith, and that rather than trying to reach a diplomatic resolution, it is simply trying to punish the target. ..."
"... The most hawkish sanctions advocates aren't interested in using sanctions to resolve conflicts. Many Iran hawks advocated piling on additional sanctions against Iran both before and after Trump's decision to renege on the JCPOA, and they insisted on making demands that Iran couldn't possibly accept. Their goal was never to "fix" the deal or find a diplomatic solution to other issues, but to create a pretext for punishing Iran for "refusing" the demands that had been designed to be rejected. Pompeo's list of demands has the same purpose. ..."
warn that
the Trump administration's overuse of sanctions is eroding whatever effectiveness they might have:
The track record is not encouraging. By constantly expanding its demands, the United States may have given the impression
that its negotiations are not in good faith, and that rather than trying to reach a diplomatic resolution, it is simply trying
to punish the target. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's 12 points for resetting relations with Tehran tied so many goals to
each sanction program so as to render such measures useless as conflict-resolution tools.
The most hawkish sanctions advocates aren't interested in using sanctions to resolve conflicts. Many Iran hawks advocated
piling on additional sanctions against Iran both before and after Trump's decision to renege on the JCPOA, and they insisted on making
demands that Iran couldn't possibly accept. Their goal was never to "fix" the deal or find a diplomatic solution to other issues,
but to create a pretext for punishing Iran for "refusing" the demands that had been designed to be rejected. Pompeo's list of demands
has the same purpose.
Opponents of the nuclear deal hated the JCPOA because it worked and removed the main excuse for punishing and isolating Iran,
so as far as they're concerned punishment is the reason for the sanctions. That is why there is nothing Iran can do short of surrender
to get them lifted, and that is why Iran has no incentive to deal with the Trump administration. Iran sees the reimposition of sanctions
as entirely incompatible with dialogue, and they are right to do so. Iran hawks have been pushing for more sanctions on Iran for
the purpose of sabotaging any further engagement, and Trump has given them exactly what they wanted. Far from trying to reach a diplomatic
resolution of any outstanding issues, Iran hawks are determined to make that impossible. They want to maintain the illusion that
the U.S. is still open to talking while doing everything possible to make negotiations politically radioactive for the other side.
Iranian leaders aren't falling for it, and neither should we.
The Skripals' misadventure (contretemps, dust up, theater, bit of bother) is absurd but
did the U.K. government embrace it with alacrity and a vengeance or what?
The only thing
missing was narration by Edgar R. Murrow. Not to mention the Skripals.
The very absurdity of it calls into question anything that preceded it with the same story
line, viz., "Russians are animals."
What anyone needs to be wary of is the people who push this and other "narratives":
"Animal Assad," "religion of peace," "multiculturalism," "propositional nation,"
"comprehensive immigration law reform," "living Constitution," "equality," "hate speech,"
"Iranchiefsponsorofterror," "regime change," "treason," "collusion," "McCarthyism,"
"humanitarian intervention," "global/climate freeze/warming/change/disruption,"
"anti-Semitism," "Judeo-Christian," "target civilians/hospitals," and such like.
"Anti-semitism" is merely the enforcement wing of Zionism.
Anywhere Zionists uses injustice,
pointing that out becomes anti-Semitic.
The Zionists, unlike the dullard goyim, understand the power of the moral force, despite the
fact they work fully against it's dictates.
That it was Russia that saved the world from fascism. Japan surrendered because Stalin
finally entered the war against Japan like the day after Hiroshima and invaded Manchuria. The
US had nothing to do with it.
It is nonsense. But that is the standard narrative here. Thank you for the clarification.
Based on their research, Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, Professor of History at the University of
California at Santa Barbara, and Terry Charman, a Senior Historian at London Imperial War
Museum, concur:
"
"The Soviet entry into the war played a much greater role than the atomic bombs in inducing
Japan to surrender because it dashed any hope that Japan could terminate the war through
Moscow's mediation," Hasegawa, a Russian-speaking American scholar, said in an interview.
Despite the death toll from the atomic bombings -- 140,000 in Hiroshima, 80,000 in Nagasaki
the Imperial Military Command believed it could hold out against an Allied invasion if it
retained control of Manchuria and Korea, which provided Japan with the resources for war,
according to Hasegawa and Terry Charman
"The Soviet attack changed all that," Charman said. "The leadership in Tokyo realized they
had no hope now, and in that sense August Storm did have a greater effect on the Japanese
decision to surrender than the dropping of the A-bombs."
"
"... The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him. The best example of this kind of "ownership" is the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid act, but one which the Israel Lobby demanded. The same goes for the US reneging on the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or, for that matter, the current stream of threats against Iran. ..."
"... Trump's tactic is chutzpah, doing anything he wants and saying screw you ..."
"... Europe is so weak it can barely force through a gas pipeline against Washington's displeasure. ..."
The Neocons hate Trump, but they also own him. The best example of this kind of
"ownership" is the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem which was an incredibly stupid
act, but one which the Israel Lobby demanded. The same goes for the US reneging on the Joint
Comprehensive Plan of Action or, for that matter, the current stream of threats against
Iran.
It appears that the Neocons have a basic strategy which goes like this: " we hate Trump
and everything he represents, but we also control him; let's use him to do all the crazy stuff
no sane US President would ever do, and then let's use the fallout of these crazy decisions and
blame it all on Trump; this way we get all that we want and we get to destroy Trump in the
process only to replace him with one of "our guys" when the time is right ". Again, the
real goal of an attack on Iran would be to bomb Iran back into a pre-revolutionary era and to
punish the Iranian people for supporting the "wrong" regime thus daring to defy the
AngloZionist Empire. The Neocons could use Trump as a "disposable President" who could be
blamed for the ensuing chaos and political disaster while accomplishing one of the most
important political objectives of Israel: laying waste to Iran. For the Neocons, this is a
win-win situation: if things go well (however unlikely that is), they can take all the credit
and still control Trump like a puppet, and if things don't go well, Iran is in ruins, Trump is
blamed for a stupid and crazy war, and the Clinton gang will be poised to come back to
power.
The biggest loser in such a scenario would, of course, be the people of Iran. But the US
military will not fare well either. For one thing, a plan to just "lay waste" to Iran has no
viable exit strategy, especially not a short-term one, while the US military has no stomach for
long conflicts (Afghanistan and Iraq are bad enough). Furthermore, once the US destroys most of
what can be destroyed the initiative will be in the Iranians' hands and time will be on their
side. In 2006 the Israelis had to fold after 33 days only, how much time will the US need
before having to declare victory and leave?
If the war spreads to, say, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Syria, then will the US even have the
option to just leave? What about the Israelis – what options will they have once missiles
start hitting them (not only Iranian missiles but probably also Hezbollah missiles from
Lebanon!)?
Former Mossad head Meir Dagan was fully correct when he stated that a military attack on Iran was
"the stupidest thing I have ever heard" . Alas, the Neocons have never been too bright, and
stupid stuff is what they mostly do. All we can hope for is that somebody in the US will find a
way to stop them and avert another immoral, bloody, useless and potentially very dangerous
war.
If there is one thing we have learned over the last few decades it is that there is nothing
too stupid, ignorant, arrogant, demented or evil for the US to do.
Just a few months ago Iran was quite willingly and certifiably honouring the terms of the
nuclear deal, now they are quite possibly going to be subjected to a completely unprovoked
attack, with or without some (probably fabricated) Casus belli.
Where is the UN in this? What use is the UN if it can't prevent this ghastly scenario? It
seems doubtful that the Europeans will do anything, they have been craven enough to go along
with the US on the Russia "threat" despite them having a military budget nearly four times
larger than that of the RF and a population about three times bigger (The Europeans have even
for all intents and purposes sanctioned themselves at the behest of the US) Do we seriously
believe that Russia and China are going to sit idly by while Iran is being bombed and its oil
bearing regions invaded? Potentially nuclear armed missiles flying around near the southern
border of Russia anyone?
If anyone has seen the 1984 nuclear war drama "Threads" they will be noticing an eerie
similarity.
It's too bad youtube took down the whole movie, with the Iranian invasion and newscast
sequences at the beginning. Maybe vimeo or dailymotion has it up
from another thread, same subject:
All said US lost ~9K aircraft in the Vietnam war, to hostile action and a further 500 in
accidents, approximately 58 000 KIA.
Yes , i understand Vietnam is not Iran (Iran is not a rice paddy), but the US is not the same
either, now it is a "professional" defense force, whose Navy rams defenseless civilian ships
(or cant perform at all) , whose Air force planes keep falling from the sky and whose Army are
best moving down civilians.
Of course Iran would loose such a war, no doubt, but can the US sustain the losses, can public
opinion ? Say 15 000 bodybags ? 25 000 ? 50 000?
I doubt the US can even put 100 000 soldiers on the ground, combat soldiers, that is, not
3′rd echelon cooks and chauffeurs, very few armies can. Iran has got at least 5 000 000
trained people with ammo and a AK 47 or RPG eager to put a dent in the US. (China has between
15 – 40 Million they can draw from).
Forget it, the Iranians can simply "trample" the US to death, at least until the US runs out
of body bags.
And consider if the US starts a war, we don't have to trade with it anymore, its under
sanction, goodbye "Rare metals" (China), goodbye computer chips (China) goodbye everything,
because the US cant produce anything (No factories) and has few resources left, hehe.
Sanction the American people to a dose of "concentration camp", 900 calories a day, candle
light, and horse drawn transportion! The Morgentau plan is fulfilled ! I will bathe in
Champagne, wash my cojones in Budweiser when that happens. And Israel ? What Israel ? You mean
Palestine ? ahhhh I will feed a bagel to the ducks!
And no, i don't think it will be necessary to learn either Russian or Chinese, I think we might
get along well enough.
There is an awful lot of wishful thinking in this. Trump's tactic is chutzpah, doing
anything he wants and saying screw you if you can't take a joke. Europe is so weak it
can barely force through a gas pipeline against Washington's displeasure.
Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there? If Iran
did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the Judaeo-Trumpians
would say sorry and back off? Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged,
and learn not to cross the Empire. And diesel electrics have to surface.
Neither China nor Russia is likeliy to go to war for Iran, and who else is there?
There is a larger structure called Shanghai Cooperation Organization and Xi since 2016 was
calling on accepting Iran into it, with Iran having currently an Observer status. For Russia it
will be enough (which was done before already) to place some of its VKS units on Iranian
airfields, especially under auspices of SCO military practices and even bombing will become a
huge issue. Russia is not going to allow any hostile power to have direct access to Caspian
Sea. Again, WHAT war? Combined Arms invasion–that will be the end of the US as we know
it. Bombing? Let's wait an see. In fact, it is not up to Russia, it is up to Iran do decide how
to proceed–Iran has options. Will she exercise them?
Even if Trump used nukes, what could the world do? Be outraged, and learn not to cross
the Empire . And diesel electrics have to surface.
Ahh, what? Is the world "crossing" the Empire now? Russia is, but then again she can erase
the Empire from the map. This mental construct is so "out there" that it is even difficult to
respond properly to it. I omit here, of course, a gigantic political fallout for US which will
make it a de facto a pariah in case it decides to use nukes. In fact, I can predict with a good
degree of probability what is going to happen. For starters–dedollarization will go into
overdrive.
If Iran did manage to block the Straits for more than a short time, do we think the
Judaeo-Trumpians would say sorry and back off
The only thing with which I may agree here. In fact, if one of the US Navy carriers (God
forbids), somehow gets damaged, let alone sunk, one may expect an escalation to a nuclear
threshold since US is inherently nuclear weapons-biased since can not take any serious
conventional losses, especially in terms of a naval assets. But I agree, that with about 2-3
air-wings in a vicinity of Hormuz Strait, plus the wing of ASW aviation on call–neither
Iranian submarine forces, nor, especially those proverbial "speed boats" will be much of a
strategic challenge.
All we can hope for is that somebody in the US will find a way to stop them and avert
another immoral, bloody, useless and potentially very dangerous war.
We all know how to stop them. But nobody wants to say it out loud. Certainly not me.
1) The oil and gas infrastructure of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, etc. are all
fixed targets, relatively easy to destroy by missiles. Iran would likely destroy all regional
oil and gas infrastructure, if their's is damaged.
2) Also, Iran has a nuclear reactor right on the shores of the Persian Gulf? If that is
blown up, or even fails because staff or electricity are not available, then the Persian Gulf,
and maybe Turkey and Israel, would be hit by heavy radioactive fallout, like at Chernobyl or
Fukushima.
3) Finally, Iran has many skilled and able electronics and programming young people. Iran
was able to take control of, and land undamaged, America's most advanced surveillance drone. It
is likely that a war on Iran would unleash cyberwar and cause damage to electrical,
communication, and finance systems in the USA, in ways and places that we have not
imagined.
Napoleon was certain to defeat Russia. Hitler was certain to defeat Russia. The US was
certain to defeat North Korea and certain to defeat Vietnam. But the outcomes of wars are not
certain. Which it is why rational people do not like war.
Are you serious? Marxism is a colossal ideology that was developed in every particular by
a host of academics and philosophers great and small, plus their thousands of associated
propagandists and pamphleteers. Marxist exegesis probably accounts for half the academic
writing produced over the last century and a half. Its ideas have spread into every corner of
public life -- sociology, psychology, economics, religion, government -- it's all been
thoroughly worked over by the Marxists. Wherever there is problem, there is Marxist on the
scene with a tract and a theory. As ideologies go, it has been one of the most developed and
rigorous ever to appear on Earth.
Multiculturalism is a recipe for national suicide. Culture, including religious belief, is
the unifying factor that allows strangers to work with one another, by ensuring that they
share the same assumptions about morality and about correct behavior in general.
Jews have been a problem for European societies for hundreds of years. The recent mass
migration of people of multiple races and religions to Europe and its settler outposts in the
America's and the Pacific is creating cultural chaos.
Immigrants who will not assimilate to the Christian culture of the West have no place in
the West. For Africans, Asians, Hispanics and Middle-Easterners the message must be:
assimilate or leave. The same for Jews who now, fortunately, have a place to go where they
can live by the precepts of their ancient religion, however bizarre some of those precepts
may seem to others.
That then leaves only the problem of the Palestinians. A solution can surely be found in a
deal with Egypt. The Sinai is twice the size of Palestine, yet has only a half a million
inhabitants. The US could easily organize a purchase, funded by itself, Britain, the country
primarily responsible for the dispossession of the Palestinians, the EU, Russia and some
other countries, and of course Israel, which would have to pay for the land and houses of the
departing Palestinians.
At say $10,000 per hectare, a ridiculous price for a desert sand and rocky hillsides, the
whole of Sinai could be purchased for $60 billion, a trivial amount in relation to the US
trillion-dollar defense budget. In addition, there might be a need for something like half a
trillion dollars for construction of the the cities and high-tech desert agricultural system
of the new Palestinian state. But again, that is a rather trivial amount over, say ten
years.
Only Leftists can defeat Leftists, only progressives can defeat progressives –
conserving the old cannot win. Ideas of stability, homeostasis, and the like, cannot
win.
You sure?
Don't know.
Franco, for example. Then, more recently, Nationalists winning over Communists in Eastern
Europe after the fall of The Wall. We could agree, I guess, that Nationalism is a bit older
than Communism.
And there is no organized opposition because there is no Platonic Idea around which they
can rally – while the Left has one. The Right seems to just be a headless chicken-
all body, no head.
In the West. In the East not so sure about that. Do a (mental) test: imagine that US
(military) power can't get delivered in Balkans anymore. Or Russian (military) power can't
get delivered in Donbass. Or some other places.
That's a good point about nationalism – but I think what we are seeing in places
like Russia and Poland is a resurgence of religious nationalism – pure nationalism,
without a Platonic Idea, just materialism, seems to have no long term success anywhere. I
don't think the attempt to revive it among materialist western right wingers will work. I
think they fundamentally misunderstand this.
In the context of a failed Communism, religious nationalism appears as progressive –
as an exciting step in the direction of progress towards a higher state.
Its not that old traditional ideas can't be revived – its that I think conservatives
basically misunderstand traditional ideas. In their time, traditional ideas were meant to
facilitate the self-perfection of man – not provide stability, safety, or homeostasis.
Christianity was a program for the perfection of man – not social stability.
Traditional ideas were based on a Platonic Idea – never materialism. The attempt to
revive traditional ideas on a materialist basis, because they provide stability, seems a
misunderstanding. In fact, traditional ideas provide stability because they were accepted as
part of the plan of self-perfection. That's why they secured consent – i.e became the
basis of a stable society. People accept a social organization that they believe will assist
in self-perfection, and that is the source of social stability.
As for military power projection, once local power balances alter its hard to predict what
will come to seem "progressive". And short term social expedients taken in chaotic cobditions
don't necessarily translate into long term social organization.
.traditional ideas were meant to facilitate the self-perfection of man – not
provide stability, safety, or homeostasis. Christianity was a program for the perfection of
man – not social stability.
..traditional ideas provide stability because they were accepted as part of the plan of
self-perfection.
I am not quite sure I get this.
Feels as a deep topic. Not well versed in that I am afraid.
A couple of things: the concept of "self-perfection" in, say, traditional
Catholic/Orthodox Christianity, with accepting that a man is a sinner and only though Jesus
he/she can find salvation.
Then, I can get that top thinkers of those nations maybe thought along those lines; common
folk, though, based their nationalism on simple living with people who shared the same values
in life. Sometimes even just the same customs. The sense of belonging. The perception of "us"
and "them" as the bottom line.
You want a problem to ponder about?
Here it is, then:
Why such ..animosity .. then, between Catholics and Orthodox in Balkans and Ukraine? The
same, now dormant, between Protestant and Catholics in N.I.?
I guess that your approach to nationalism is, say, what ..metaphysical?
Mine is way, way below. Just blood and soil, in that order. "Us" vs "them".
West is doomed re nationalism. Maybe. Not quite sure.
All those wars of Catholics vs Protestants ..and we are talking about people of the same
race.
Now, that "we" vs "them" is much more visible.
.short term social expedients taken in chaotic cobditions don't necessarily translate
into long term social organization.
Agree.
Again, so what? If it works during my lifetime fine (say, if I were a young man). After me,
their problem. Something like that.
That's a good point about nationalism – but I think what we are seeing in places
like Russia and Poland is a resurgence of religious nationalism – pure nationalism,
without a Platonic Idea, just materialism, seems to have no long term success anywhere. I
don't think the attempt to revive it among materialist western right wingers will work. I
think they fundamentally misunderstand this.
In the context of a failed Communism, religious nationalism appears as progressive –
as an exciting step in the direction of progress towards a higher state.
Its not that old traditional ideas can't be revived – its that I think conservatives
basically misunderstand traditional ideas. In their time, traditional ideas were meant to
facilitate the self-perfection of man – not provide stability, safety, or homeostasis.
Christianity was a program for the perfection of man – not social stability.
Traditional ideas were based on a Platonic Idea – never materialism. The attempt to
revive traditional ideas on a materialist basis, because they provide stability, seems a
misunderstanding. In fact, traditional ideas provide stability because they were accepted as
part of the plan of self-perfection. That's why they secured consent – i.e became the
basis of a stable society. People accept a social organization that they believe will assist
in self-perfection, and that is the source of social stability.
As for military power projection, once local power balances alter its hard to predict what
will come to seem "progressive". And short term social expedients taken in chaotic cobditions
don't necessarily translate into long term social organization.
says: August
1, 2018 at 11:33 pm GMT@Beefcake
the Mighty This is a highly misleading statement as Stalin did not turn against the Jewish
faction of the Party until the late 30's (the Purges are best understood as a reaction against
an essentially Jewish mafia), by which time this faction had wrought bloodthirsty terror.
Stalin was obviously no angel, but one shudders to think of the horrors that would have been
unleashed had Trotsky assumed control. You're 100 percent correct. An interesting book on this
subject is "Stalin's Enduring Legacy" by Kerry Bolton. Bolton does not excuse Stalin's
brutality, but he points out exactly what you wrote. Stalin was a thousand times preferable to
Trotsky and the other vicious Jewish Bolsheviks.
While neocons definitely agitated for invasion and were well represented in Bush Ii
government, this statement might be not true. As Greenspan said it was about oil.
Earlier this year, Representative James Moran, a Democrat, said that "if it were not for the
strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."
In Britain, Tam Dalyell, a longstanding Labor member of Parliament, expressed a similar view.
Tony Blair, he opined, was listening too much to a "cabal" of Jews around President Bush that
included Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz; an under secretary of defense, Douglas
Feith; Richard Perle, a member of the Defense Policy Board; Elliott Abrams, director of
Middle East Affairs in the White House; and the former presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer.
"Those people drive this policy," Dalyell said.
Dalyell was "worried about my country being led up the garden path on a Likudnik-Sharon
agenda" by British Jews close to Blair.
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Earlier this year, Representative James Moran, a Democrat, said that "if it were not for the
strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."
In Britain, Tam Dalyell, a longstanding Labor member of Parliament, expressed a similar view.
Tony Blair, he opined, was listening too much to a "cabal" of Jews around President Bush that
included Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz; an under secretary of defense, Douglas
Feith; Richard Perle, a member of the Defense Policy Board; Elliott Abrams, director of
Middle East Affairs in the White House; and the former presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer.
"Those people drive this policy," Dalyell said.
Dalyell was "worried about my country being led up the garden path on a Likudnik-Sharon
agenda" by British Jews close to Blair.
The way , this war has played out, the way Oslo has been shredded, the way Iran deal has
been gutted, the way Blair spoke in Bush's ranch and took money form and awards from Israel,
the way attacks on Lebanon and Syria have been allowed and helped , the way Libya have been
made a failed country, the way billions have been poured on Israel, the way dissent against
war has been suppressed, the way Corbyn was attacked prove one thing – only one thing
that is the author was entirely wrong .Moran Japanense and British minister are and were
correct.
AaronB, your observations are always insightful and interesting. I wonder if you believe
in freewill at all, even in "insignificant" matters because time and sequence are all
important and such trivial events set up the really big ones in our lives.
"Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free but as causally bound
as the stars in their motions." – Albert Einstein.
for the John S. McCain 2019 National Defense Authorization Bill ( subtitled 'The Sneeze
Wrong, We're Comin' to Fuck You Up Act' ). Here's the very lengthy summary of provisions
in the House version from govtrack.us , although it may
have changed slightly since the House and Senate conference agreements.
Let's start with the House: 'House Democrats vote for record US military spending', Patrick
Martin, 28 July 2018, wsws.org
"By an overwhelming bipartisan vote Thursday, the US House of Representatives approved the
largest military authorization bill in American history. The National Defense Authorization Act
approves $716 billion to fund US military aggression around the world, and gives President
Trump the power to order cyberwarfare attacks on Russia, China, Iran and North Korea without
further congressional action.
... ... ...
"Particularly ominous are the sections of the NDAA on cyberwarfare. The bill
authorizes the Pentagon to conduct "unattributed" cyber operations without having to comply
with the usual restrictions on covert operations, such as requiring a Presidential Finding
which is submitted to key leaders of Congress. According to the bill "clandestine military
activity or operation in cyberspace shall be considered a traditional military activity.
It pre-authorizes US military cyber operations if the president determines that (1) there is
"an active, systematic, and ongoing campaign of attacks against the Government or people of the
United States in cyberspace, including attempting to influence American elections and
democratic political processes" and (2) that Russia, China, North Korea or Iran are
responsible. In that event, the president may order US cyberwar forces "to take appropriate and
proportional action in foreign cyberspace to disrupt, defeat, and deter such attacks."
This provision effectively gives Trump and any successor, Democrat or Republican, the power
to launch a full-scale cyberwar without further congressional authorization , merely on his own
declaration that the United States is under attack."
Sounds like we continue to waste a ton of borrowed cash on last generation tech.
One new US nuclear-powered aircraft carrier
Two new Virginia-class nuclear-powered submarines armed with atomic weapons
13 other new warships
77 new joint strike fighters
Basically Trump's bought himself his own shiny new aircraft carrier battle group.
I'm sure it will be a simply fantastic fleet.
The best fleet ever in the history of the oceans.
I hear they want to call the carrier 'Trump class'.
That'll show China who's boss in the
Western Pacific.
Just one thing though:
The Virginia-class was intended in
part as a less expensive alternative to the Seawolf-class submarines ( $1.8 billion vs $2.8
billion), whose production run was stopped after just three boats had been completed. To
reduce costs, the Virginia-class submarines use many "commercial off-the-shelf" (COTS)
components, especially in their computers and data networks.
Sounds totally secure to me!
I'm sure the Russians or Chinese EW is nowhere near powerful enough to
hack/disable/commandeer the 'off-the-shelf-tech' that runs our latest generation nuclear
powered submarine.
To reduce costs, the Virginia-class submarines use many "commercial off-the-shelf"
(COTS) components, especially in their computers and data networks.
Sounds totally secure to me!
The idea that we're dependent on Microsoft Windows to operate our current Naval
vessels, with little or no manual over-ride even available much less trained or used, makes
my skin crawl!
The only way that this can happen is if a whole lot of people get really desperate really
fast. So expect more cuts to education, health care for civilians, and all sorts of new exciting
waivers that will allow us to form our own Legion Etangere.
And everybody knows there will be an "incident" at the Trump military parade. It's
practically guaranteed, and you know the CIA is going to have a full three months to cook
something up. Hell, they've been waiting for this kind of chance for years.
I remember reporting years ago that the imperialism budget had surpassed a trillion per
year. Estimates prior to Obama's sequester budget were around 1.2 trillion per year for total
costs. Wrote many an article about it and yet here we are, still writing and reading articles
about it and not doing shit to stop it.
Boycott the duopoly, boycott this political system, demand democracy, demand power to the
people. It's so far past time for talking it's pathetic.
Gawd knows that the officers are getting too much money and perks without putting their
asses on the line.
The bill "restates our commitment to NATO and our partners," Smith said. "It extends the
prohibition on military cooperation with Russia. It declares that Russia violated the
Chemical Weapons Convention
Okay. No working with Russia on defeating ISIS. Not that we're doing this, just the
opposite. We're funding and protecting ISIS from Syria and Russia. But what chemical weapons
has Russia used in recent times? This country has been the ones using them in our various
wars. Stupid congress.
A real collusion happened with 911. The BBC knew that tower 7 would fall before it did.
Israelis danced before the tumbling towers. They said that they were video taping the event.
Why? How did they know it was going happen? How did the BBC know it would happen? The US
obviously knew it. It is the biggest military in the world. Yet it did nothing to stop it.
Solving 911 by Christopher Bollyn names names. Everyone knows about this real collusion.
Everyone fears our rulers, so they remain silent. Silence is not golden. Power unchallenged
goes on forever...
"... You said that we're entering into a recession. That's just the flat wrong statement. The economy's been in a recession ever since 2008, as a result of what President Obama did by bailing out the banks and not the economy at large. ..."
"... The largest element of fakery is a category that is imputed – that is, made up – for rising rents that homeowners would have to pay if they had to rent their houses from themselves. That's about 6 percent of GDP right there. Right now, as a result of the 10 million foreclosures that Obama imposed on the economy by not writing down the junk mortgage debts to realistic values, companies like Blackstone have come in and bought up many of the properties that were forfeited. So now there are fewer homes that are available to buy. Rents are going up all over the country. Homeownership has dropped by abut 10 percent since 2008, and that means more people have to rent. When more people have to rent, the rents go up. And when rents go up, people lucky enough to have kept their homes report these rising rental values to the GDP statisticians. ..."
"... The other great jump in GDP has been people paying more money to the banks as penalties and fees for arrears on student loans and mortgage loans, credit card loans and automobile loans. When they fall into arrears, the banks get to add a penalty charge. The credit-card companies make more money on arrears than they do on interest charges. This is counted as providing a "financial service," defined as the amount of revenue banks make over and above their borrowing charges. ..."
"... The statistical pretense is that they're taking the risk on making loans to debtors that are going bad. They're cleaning up on profits on these bad loans, because the government has guaranteed the student loans including the higher penalty charges. They've guaranteed the mortgages loans made by the FHA – Fannie Mae and the other groups – that the banks are getting penalty charges on. So what's reported is that GDP growth is actually more and more people in trouble, along with rising housing costs. What's good for the GDP here is awful for the economy at large! This is bad news, not good news. ..."
Paul Sliker: So, Michael, over the past few months the IMF has been sending warning
signals about the state of the global economy. There are a bunch of different macroeconomic
developments that signal we could be entering into another crisis or recession in the near
future. One of those elements is the yield curve, which shows the difference between short-term
and long-term borrowing rates. Investors and financial pundits of all sorts are concerned about
this, because since 1950 every time the yield curve has flattened, the economy has tanked
shortly thereafter.
Can you explain what the yield curve signifies, and if all these signals I just mentioned
are forecasting another economic crisis?
Michael Hudson: Normally, borrowers have to pay only a low rate of interest for a
short-term loan. If you take a longer-term loan, you have to pay a higher rate. The longest
term loans are for mortgages, which have the highest rate. Even for large corporations, the
longer you borrow – that is, the later you repay – the pretense is that the risk is
much higher. Therefore, you have to pay a higher rate on the pretense that the interest-rate
premium is compensation for risk. Banks and the wealthy get to borrow at lower rates.
Right now what's happened is that the short-term rates you can get by putting your money in
Treasury bills or other short-term instruments are even higher than the long-term rates. That's
historically unnatural. But it's not really unnatural at all when you look at what the economy
is doing.
You said that we're entering into a recession. That's just the flat wrong statement. The
economy's been in a recession ever since 2008, as a result of what President Obama did by
bailing out the banks and not the economy at large.
Since 2008, people talk about "look at how that GDP is growing." Especially in the last few
quarters, you have the media saying look, "we've recovered. GDP is up." But if you look at what
they count as GDP, you find a primer on how to lie with statistics.
The largest element of fakery is a category that is imputed – that is, made up
– for rising rents that homeowners would have to pay if they had to rent their houses
from themselves. That's about 6 percent of GDP right there. Right now, as a result of the 10
million foreclosures that Obama imposed on the economy by not writing down the junk mortgage
debts to realistic values, companies like Blackstone have come in and bought up many of the
properties that were forfeited. So now there are fewer homes that are available to buy. Rents
are going up all over the country. Homeownership has dropped by abut 10 percent since 2008, and
that means more people have to rent. When more people have to rent, the rents go up. And when
rents go up, people lucky enough to have kept their homes report these rising rental values to
the GDP statisticians.
If I had to pay rent for the house that I have, could charge as much money as renters down
the street have to pay – for instance, for houses that were bought out by Blackstone.
Rents are going up and up. This actually is a rise in overhead, but it's counted as rising GDP.
That confuses income and output with overhead costs.
The other great jump in GDP has been people paying more money to the banks as penalties
and fees for arrears on student loans and mortgage loans, credit card loans and automobile
loans. When they fall into arrears, the banks get to add a penalty charge. The credit-card
companies make more money on arrears than they do on interest charges. This is counted as
providing a "financial service," defined as the amount of revenue banks make over and above
their borrowing charges.
The statistical pretense is that they're taking the risk on making loans to debtors that
are going bad. They're cleaning up on profits on these bad loans, because the government has
guaranteed the student loans including the higher penalty charges. They've guaranteed the
mortgages loans made by the FHA – Fannie Mae and the other groups – that the banks
are getting penalty charges on. So what's reported is that GDP growth is actually more and more
people in trouble, along with rising housing costs. What's good for the GDP here is awful for
the economy at large! This is bad news, not good news.
As a result of this economic squeeze, investors see that the economy is not growing. So
they're bailing out. They're taking their money and running.
If you're taking your money out of bonds and out of the stock market because you worry about
shrinking markets, lower profits and defaults, where are you going to put it? There's only one
safe place to put your money: short-term treasuries. You don't want to buy a long-term Treasury
bond, because if the interest rates go up then the bond price falls. So you want buy short-term
Treasury bonds. The demand for this is so great that Bogle's Vanguard fund management company
will only let small investors buy ten thousand dollars worth at a time for their 401K
funds.
The reason small to large investors are buying short term treasuries is to park their money
safely. There's nowhere else to put it in the real economy, because the real economy isn't
growing.
What has grown is debt. It's grown larger and larger. Investors are taking their
money out of state and local bonds because state and local budgets are broke as a result of
pension commitments. Politicians have cut taxes in order to get elected, so they don't have
enough money to keep up with the pension fund contributions that they're supposed to make.
This means that the likelihood of a break in the chain of payments is rising. In the United
States, commercial property rents are in trouble. We've discussed that before on this show. As
the economy shrinks, stores are closing down. That means that the owners who own commercial
mortgages are falling behind, and arrears are rising.
Also threatening is what Trump is doing. If his protectionist policies interrupt trade,
you're going to see companies being squeezed. They're not going to make the export sales they
expected, and will pay more for imports.
Finally, banks are having problems of they hold Italian government bonds. Germany is
unwilling to use European funds to bail them out. Most investors expect Italy to do exit the
euro in the next three years or so. It looks like we're entering a period of anarchy, so of
course people are parking their money in the short term. That means that they're not putting it
into the economy. No wonder the economy isn't growing.
So the US neoliberal establishment tried to sabotage Trump-Putin summit in doer to pursue "business as usual". In other words military-industrial
complex is in control of the USA government...
Notable quotes:
"... It's no coincidence that, at the very moment when the President of the United States was about to meet with the President of Russia, special prosecutor Robert Mueller III charged twelve Russians with having manipulated the US presidential elections by hacking into the data networks of the Democratic party in order to hinder candidate Hillary Clinton. The twelve Russians, accused of being agents of the military secret services (GRU), were officially defined as " conspirators ", and found guilty of " conspiracy to the detriment of the United States ". Simultaneously, Daniel Coats, National Director of Intelligence and principal advisor to the President in these matters, accused Russia of working to " undermine our basic values and our democracy ". He then sounded the alarm about the " threat of cyber-attacks which have arrived at a critical point " similar to that which preceded 9/11, on behalf not only of Russia, " the most aggressive foreign agent ", but also China and Iran. ..."
"... At the same time, in London, British " investigators " declared that the Russian military secret service GRU, which had sabotaged the Presidential elections in the USA, is the same service which poisoned ex-Russian agent, Sergueï Skripal and his daughter, who, inexplicably, survived contact with an extremely lethal gas. ..."
"... The political objective of these " enquiries " is clear – to maintain that at the head of all these " conspirators " is Russian President Vladimir Putin, with whom President Donald Trump sat down at the negotiating table, despite vast bi-partisan opposition in the USA. After the " conspirators " had been charged, the Democrats asked Trump to cancel the meeting with Putin. Even though they failed, their pressure on the negotiations remains powerful. ..."
"... In opposition to the easing of tension with Russia are not only the Democrats (who, with a reversal of formal roles, are playing the " hawks "), but also many Republicans, among whom are several highly-important representatives of the Trump administration itself. It is the establishment, not only of the US, but also of Europe, whose powers and profits are directly linked to tension and war. ..."
"... Even if an agreement on these questions were reached between Putin and Trump, would the latter be able to implement it? Or will the real deciders be the powerful circles of the military-industrial complex? ..."
While the International Press distorted the content of the NATO Summit, the US establishment perfectly understood the unique
issue – the end of enmity with Russia. Thus disturbing the bilateral summit in Helsinki between the USA and Russia became its priority.
By all means possible, it had to prevent any rapprochement with Moscow.
We need to talk about everything, from commerce to the military, missiles, nuclear, and China " - this was how President Trump
began at the Helsinki Summit. " The time has come to talk in detail about our bilateral relationship and the international flashpoints
", emphasised Putin.
But it will not only be the two Presidents who will decide the future relationships between the United States and Russia.
It's no coincidence that, at the very moment when the President of the United States was about to meet with the President
of Russia, special prosecutor Robert Mueller III charged twelve Russians with having manipulated the US presidential elections by
hacking into the data networks of the Democratic party in order to hinder candidate Hillary Clinton. The twelve Russians, accused
of being agents of the military secret services (GRU), were officially defined as " conspirators ", and found guilty of " conspiracy
to the detriment of the United States ". Simultaneously, Daniel Coats, National Director of Intelligence and principal advisor to
the President in these matters, accused Russia of working to " undermine our basic values and our democracy ". He then sounded the
alarm about the " threat of cyber-attacks which have arrived at a critical point " similar to that which preceded 9/11, on behalf
not only of Russia, " the most aggressive foreign agent ", but also China and Iran.
At the same time, in London, British " investigators " declared that the Russian military secret service GRU, which had sabotaged
the Presidential elections in the USA, is the same service which poisoned ex-Russian agent, Sergueï Skripal and his daughter, who,
inexplicably, survived contact with an extremely lethal gas.
The political objective of these " enquiries " is clear – to maintain that at the head of all these " conspirators " is Russian
President Vladimir Putin, with whom President Donald Trump sat down at the negotiating table, despite vast bi-partisan opposition
in the USA. After the " conspirators " had been charged, the Democrats asked Trump to cancel the meeting with Putin. Even though
they failed, their pressure on the negotiations remains powerful.
What Putin tried to obtain from Trump is both simple and complex – to ease the tension between the two countries. To that purpose,
he proposed to Trump, who accepted, to implement a joint enquiry into the " conspiracy ". We do not know how the discussions on the
key questions will go – the status of Crimea, the condition of Syria, nuclear weapons and others. And we do not know what Trump will
ask in return. However, it is certain that any concession will be used to accuse him of connivance with the enemy. In opposition
to the easing of tension with Russia are not only the Democrats (who, with a reversal of formal roles, are playing the " hawks "),
but also many Republicans, among whom are several highly-important representatives of the Trump administration itself. It is the
establishment, not only of the US, but also of Europe, whose powers and profits are directly linked to tension and war.
It will not be the words, but the facts, which will reveal whether the climate of détente of the Helsinki Summit will become reality
- first of all with a de-escalation of NATO in Europe, in other words with the withdrawal of forces (including nuclear forces) of
the USA and NATO presently deployed against Russia, and the blockage of NATO's expansion to the East.
Even if an agreement on these questions were reached between Putin and Trump, would the latter be able to implement it? Or
will the real deciders be the powerful circles of the military-industrial complex?
One thing is certain – we in Italy and Europe can not remain the simple spectators of dealings which will define our future.
Manlio Dinucci
The conflict between transnational financial capitalism and productive national capitalism has entered into a paroxystic
phase. On one side, Presidents Trump and Putin are negotiating the joint defence of their national interests. On the other, the major
daily newspaper for the US and the world is accusing the US President of high treason, while the armed forces of the US and NATO
are preparing for war with Russia and China.
You have attacked our democracy. Your well-worn gamblers' denials do not interest us. If you continue with this attitude, we will
consider it an act of war." This is what Trump should have said to Putin at the Helsinki Summit, in the opinion of famous New
York Times editorialist Thomas Friedman, published in La Repubblica . He went on to accuse the Russian President of having
"attacked NATO, a fundamental pillar of international security, destabilised Europe, and bombed thousands of Syrian refugees, causing
them to seek refuge in Europe."
He then accused the President of the United States of having " repudiated his oath on the Constitution " and of being an " asset
of Russian Intelligence " or at least playing at being one.
What Friedman expressed in these provocative terms corresponds to the position of a powerful internal and international front
(of which the New York Times is an important mouthpiece) opposed to USA-Russia negotiations, which should continue with the
invitation of Putin to the White House. But there is a substantial difference.
While the negotiations have not yet borne fruit, opposition to the negotiations has been expressed not only in words, but especially
in facts.
Cancelling out the climate of détente at the Helsinki Summit, the planetary warmongering system of the United States is in the
process of intensifying the preparations for a war reaching from the Atlantic to the Pacific:
After the landing of an US armoured brigade in Anvers, totalling a hundred tanks and a thousand military vehicles, a US aerial
brigade landed in Rotterdam with sixty attack helicopters. These forces and others, all of them USA/NATO, are deployed along the
borders of Russian territory, in the framework of operation Atlantic Resolve , launched in 2014 against " Russian aggression.
" In its anti-Russian function, Poland asked for the permanent presence of an armoured US unit on its own territory, offering
to pay between 1.5 - 2 billion dollars per year.
At the same time, NATO is intensifying the training and armament of troops in Georgia and Ukraine, candidates for entry into
membership of the Alliance on the frontiers with Russia.
Meanwhile, the US Congress received with all honours Adriy Parubiy, founder of the National-Social Party (on the model of
Adolf Hitler's National-Socialist Party), head of the neo-Nazi paramilitary formations employed by NATO in the Maïdan Square putsch.
NATO command in Lago Patria (JFC Naples) – under the orders of US Admiral James Foggo, who also commands the US naval forces
in Europe and those in Africa – is working busily to organise the grand-scale exercise Trident Juncture 18 , in which will
participate 40,000 military personnel, 130 aircraft and 70 ships from more than 30 countries including Sweden and Finland, which
are NATO partners. The exercise, which will take place in October in Norway and the adjacent seas, will simulate a scenario of
" collective defence " - naturally enough, against " Russian aggression. "
In the Pacific, the major naval exercise RIMPAC 2018 (27 June to 2 August) is in full swing - organised and directed
by USINDOPACOM, the US Command which covers the Indian and Pacific oceans – with the participation of 25,000 sailors and marines,
more than 50 ships and 200 war-planes.The exercise – in which France, Germany and the United Kingdom are also participating –
is clearly directed against China, which Admiral Phil Davidson, commander of USINDOPACOM, defines as a "major rival power which
is eroding the international order in order to reduce the access of the USA to the region and thus become hegemonic."
When Trump meets Chinese President Xi Jinping, Friedman will no doubt accuse him of connivance not only with the Russian enemy,
but also with the Chinese enemy. Manlio Dinucci
In recent decades throughout Latin America, rulers have spoken and demanded 'reforms' as
essential to stimulate and sustain growth and foster equity and sustainability. The 'reforms'
involve implementing 'structural changes' which require large scale privatization to encourage
entrepreneurship and end state corruption; deregulation of the economy to stimulate foreign and
domestic investment; labor flexibility to 'free' labor markets and increase employment; and
lower business taxes. According to the reformers all this will lead to free markets and promote
democratic values.
Over the past thirty years, ruling elites in Latin America have carried out IMF and World
Bank structural reforms in two cyclical periods: between 1989-1999 and more recently between
2015-2018. In both cases the reforms have led to a series of major economic, political and
social deformations .
During the first cycle of 'reforms', privatization concentrated wealth by transferring
public means of production to oligarchs, and increased private monopolies, which deepened
inequalities and sharpened class divisions.
Deregulation led to financial speculation, tax evasion, capital flight and public- private
corruption.
'Reforms' deformed the existing class structure provoking social upheavals, which
precipitated the collapse of the elite led 'reforms' and the advent of a decade of nationalist
populist governments.
The populists restored and expanded social reforms but did not change the political and
economic 'deformations', embedded in the state.
A decade later (2015) the 'reformers' returned to power and restored the regressive free
market policies of the previous neo-liberal ruling elite. By 2018 a new cycle of class
conflicts flared throughout Brazil and Argentina, threatening to overturn the existing US
center free market order.
A war with Iran would define, consume and potentially destroy the Trump presidency, but
exhilarate the neocon never-Trumpers who most despise the man.
Why, then, is President Donald Trump toying with such an idea?
Looking back at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, wars we began or plunged into,
what was gained to justify the cost in American blood and treasure, and the death and
destruction we visited upon that region? How has our great rival China suffered by not getting
involved?
Oil is the vital strategic Western interest in the Persian Gulf. Yet a war with Iran would
imperil, not secure, that interest.
Mass migration from the Islamic world, seeded with terrorist cells, is the greatest threat
to Europe from the Middle East. But would not a U.S. war with Iran increase rather than
diminish that threat?
Would the millions of Iranians who oppose the mullahs' rule welcome U.S. air and naval
attacks on their country? Or would they rally behind the regime and the armed forces dying to
defend their country?
"Mr Trump, don't play with the lion's tail," warned President Hassan Rouhani in July: "War
with Iran is the mother of all wars."
But he added, "Peace with Iran is the mother of all peace."
Rouhani left wide open the possibility of peaceful settlement.
Trump's all-caps retort virtually invoked Hiroshima: "Never, ever threaten the United States
again or you will suffer consequences the like of which few throughout history have suffered
before."
When Trump shifted and blurted out that he was open to talks -- "No preconditions. They want
to meet? I'll meet." -- Secretary of State Mike Pompeo contradicted him: Before any meeting,
Iran must change the way they treat their people and "reduce their malign behavior."
We thus appear to be steering into a head-on collision.
For now that Trump has trashed the nuclear deal and is reimposing sanctions, Iran's economy
has taken a marked turn for the worse.
Its currency has lost half its value. Inflation is surging toward Venezuelan levels. New
U.S. sanctions will be imposed this week and again in November. Major foreign investments are
being canceled. U.S. allies are looking at secondary sanctions if they do not join the
strangulation of Iran.
Tehran's oil exports are plummeting along with national revenue.
Demonstrations and riots are increasingly common.
Rouhani and his allies who bet their futures on a deal to forego nuclear weapons in return
for an opening to the West look like fools to their people. And the Revolutionary Guard Corps
that warned against trusting the Americans appears vindicated.
Iran's leaders have now threatened that when their oil is no longer flowing freely and
abundantly, Arab oil may be blocked from passing through the Strait of Hormuz out to Asia and
the West.
Any such action would ignite an explosion in oil prices worldwide and force a U.S. naval
response to reopen the strait. A war would be on.
Yet the correlation of political forces is heavily weighted in favor of driving Tehran to
the wall. In the U.S., Iran has countless adversaries and almost no advocates. In the Middle
East, Israelis, Saudis and the UAE would relish having us smash Iran.
Among the four who will decide on war, Trump, Pompeo and John Bolton have spoken of regime
change, while Defense Secretary James Mattis has lately renounced any such strategic goal.
With Israel launching attacks against Iranian-backed militia in Syria, U.S. ships and
Iranian speedboats constantly at close quarters in the Gulf, and Houthi rebels in Yemen firing
at Saudi tankers in the Bab el-Mandeb entrance to the Red Sea, a military clash seems
inevitable.
While America no longer has the ground forces to invade and occupy an Iran four times the
size of Iraq, in any such war, the U.S., with its vastly superior air, naval and missile
forces, would swiftly prevail.
But if Iran called into play Hezbollah, the Shiite militias in Syria and Iraq, and sectarian
allies inside the Arab states, U.S. casualties would mount and the Middle East could descend
into the kind of civil-sectarian war we have seen in Syria these last six years.
Any shooting war in the Persian Gulf could see insurance rates for tankers soar, a
constriction of oil exports, and surging prices, plunging us into a worldwide recession for
which one man would be held responsible: Donald Trump.
How good would that be for the GOP or President Trump in 2020?
And when the shooting stopped, would there be installed in Iran a liberal democracy, or
would it be as it was in Hosni Mubarak's Egypt, with first the religious zealots taking power,
and then the men with guns.
If we start a war with Iran, on top of the five in which we are engaged still, then the
party that offers to extricate us will be listened to, as Trump was listened to, when he
promised to extricate us from the forever wars of the Middle East.
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That
Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever."
On Monday, WSWS International Editorial Board Chairman David North interviewed Chris Hedges,
the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, author, lecturer and former New York Times
correspondent. Among Hedges' best-known books are War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning, The
Death of the Liberal Class , Empire of Illusion: the End of Literacy and the Triumph
of Spectacle, Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt , which he co-wrote with the cartoonist
Joe Sacco, and Wages of Rebellion: the Moral Imperative of Revolt .
In an article published in Truthdig September 17 , titled "The Silencing
of Dissent," Hedges referenced the WSWS coverage of Google's censorship of left-wing sites and
warned about the growth of "blacklisting, censorship and slandering dissidents as foreign
agents for Russia and purveyors of 'fake news.'"
Hedges wrote that "the Department of Justice called on RT America and its 'associates' --
which may mean people like me -- to register under the Foreign Agent Registration Act. No
doubt, the corporate state knows that most of us will not register as foreign agents, meaning
we will be banished from the airwaves. This, I expect, is the intent."
North's interview with Hedges began with a discussion of the significance of the anti-Russia
campaign in the media.
David North: How do you interpret the fixation on Russia and the entire interpretation of
the election within the framework of Putin's manipulation?
Chris Hedges: It's as ridiculous as Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. It is an
absolutely unproven allegation that is used to perpetuate a very frightening accusation --
critics of corporate capitalism and imperialism are foreign agents for Russia.
I have no doubt that the Russians invested time, energy and money into attempting to
influence events in the United States in ways that would serve their interests, in the same way
that we have done and do in Russia and all sorts of other countries throughout the world. So
I'm not saying there was no influence, or an attempt to influence events.
But the whole idea that the Russians swung the election to Trump is absurd. It's really
premised on the unproven claim that Russia gave the Podesta emails to WikiLeaks, and the
release of these emails turned tens, or hundreds of thousands, of Clinton supporters towards
Trump. This doesn't make any sense. Either that, or, according to the director of national
intelligence, RT America, where I have a show, got everyone to vote for the Green Party.
This obsession with Russia is a tactic used by the ruling elite, and in particular the
Democratic Party, to avoid facing a very unpleasant reality: that their unpopularity is the
outcome of their policies of deindustrialization and the assault against working men and women
and poor people of color. It is the result of disastrous trade agreements like NAFTA that
abolished good-paying union jobs and shipped them to places like Mexico, where workers without
benefits are paid $3.00 an hour. It is the result of the explosion of a system of mass
incarceration, begun by Bill Clinton with the 1994 omnibus crime bill, and the tripling and
quadrupling of prison sentences. It is the result of the slashing of basic government services,
including, of course, welfare, that Clinton gutted; deregulation, a decaying infrastructure,
including public schools, and the de facto tax boycott by corporations. It is the result of the
transformation of the country into an oligarchy. The nativist revolt on the right, and the
aborted insurgency within the Democratic Party, makes sense when you see what they have done to
the country.
Police forces have been turned into quasi-military entities that terrorize marginal
communities, where people have been stripped of all of their rights and can be shot with
impunity; in fact over three are killed a day. The state shoots and locks up poor people of
color as a form of social control. They are quite willing to employ the same form of social
control on any other segment of the population that becomes restive.
The Democratic Party, in particular, is driving this whole Russia witch-hunt. It cannot face
its complicity in the destruction of our civil liberties -- and remember, Barack Obama's
assault on civil liberties was worse than those carried out by George W. Bush -- and the
destruction of our economy and our democratic institutions.
Politicians like the Clintons, Pelosi and Schumer are creations of Wall Street. That is why
they are so virulent about pushing back against the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.
Without Wall Street money, they would not hold political power. The Democratic Party doesn't
actually function as a political party. It's about perpetual mass mobilization and a
hyperventilating public relations arm, all paid for by corporate donors. The base of the party
has no real say in the leadership or the policies of the party, as Bernie Sanders and his
followers found out. They are props in the sterile political theater.
These party elites, consumed by greed, myopia and a deep cynicism, have a death grip on the
political process. They're not going to let it go, even if it all implodes.
DN: Chris, you worked for the New York Times . When was that, exactly?
CH: From 1990 to 2005.
DN: Since you have some experience with that institution, what changes do you see? We've
stressed that it has cultivated a constituency among the affluent upper-middle class.
CH: The New York Times consciously targets 30 million upper-middle class and
affluent Americans. It is a national newspaper; only about 11 percent of its readership is in
New York. It is very easy to see who the Times seeks to reach by looking at its
special sections on Home, Style, Business or Travel. Here, articles explain the difficulty of
maintaining, for example, a second house in the Hamptons. It can do good investigative work,
although not often. It covers foreign affairs. But it reflects the thinking of the elites. I
read the Times every day, maybe to balance it out with your web site.
DN: Well, I hope more than balance it.
CH: Yes, more than balance it. The Times was always an elitist publication, but it
wholly embraced the ideology of neo-conservatism and neoliberalism at a time of financial
distress, when Abe Rosenthal was editor. He was the one who instituted the special sections
that catered to the elite. And he imposed a de facto censorship to shut out critics of
unfettered capitalism and imperialism, such as Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn. He hounded out
reporters like Sydney Schanberg, who challenged the real estate developers in New York, or
Raymond Bonner, who reported the El Mozote massacre in El Salvador.
He had lunch every week, along with his publisher, with William F. Buckley. This pivot into
the arms of the most retrograde forces of corporate capitalism and proponents of American
imperialism, for a time, made the paper very profitable. Eventually, of course, the rise of the
internet, the loss of classified ads, which accounted for about 40 percent of all newspaper
revenue, crippled the Times as it has crippled all newspapers. Newsprint has lost the
monopoly that once connected sellers with buyers. Newspapers are trapped in an old system of
information they call "objectivity" and "balance," formulae designed to cater to the powerful
and the wealthy and obscure the truth. But like all Byzantine courts, the Times will
go down clinging to its holy grail.
The intellectual gravitas of the paper -- in particular the Book Review and the Week in
Review -- was obliterated by Bill Keller, himself a neocon, who, as a columnist, had been a
cheerleader for the war in Iraq. He brought in figures like Sam Tanenhaus. At that point the
paper embraced, without any dissent, the utopian ideology of neoliberalism and the primacy of
corporate power as an inevitable form of human progress. The Times , along with
business schools, economics departments at universities, and the pundits promoted by the
corporate state, propagated the absurd idea that we would all be better off if we prostrated
every sector of society before the dictates of the marketplace. It takes a unique kind of
stupidity to believe this. You had students at Harvard Business School doing case studies of
Enron and its brilliant business model, that is, until Enron collapsed and was exposed as a
gigantic scam. This was never, really, in the end, about ideas. It was about unadulterated
greed. It was pushed by the supposedly best educated among us, like Larry Summers, which
exposes the lie that somehow our decline is due to deficient levels of education. It was due to
a bankrupt and amoral elite, and the criminal financial institutions that make them rich.
Critical thinking on the op-ed page, the Week in Review or the Book Review, never very
strong to begin with, evaporated under Keller. Globalization was beyond questioning. Since the
Times , like all elite institutions, is a hermetically sealed echo chamber, they do
not realize how irrelevant they are becoming, or how ridiculous they look. Thomas Friedman and
David Brooks might as well write for the Onion .
I worked overseas. I wasn't in the newsroom very much, but the paper is a very
anxiety-ridden place. The rules aren't written on the walls, but everyone knows, even if they
do not articulate it, the paper's unofficial motto: Do not significantly alienate those
upon whom we depend for money and access! You can push against them some of the time. But
if you are a serious reporter, like Charlie Leduff, or Sydney Schanberg, who wants to give a
voice to people who don't have a voice, to address issues of race, class, capitalist
exploitation or the crimes of empire, you very swiftly become a management problem and get
pushed out. Those who rise in the organization and hold power are consummate careerists. Their
loyalty is to their advancement and the stature and profitability of the institution, which is
why the hierarchy of the paper is filled with such mediocrities. Careerism is the paper's
biggest Achilles heel. It does not lack for talent. But it does lack for intellectual
independence and moral courage. It reminds me of Harvard.
DN: Let's come back to this question of the Russian hacking news story. You raised the
ability to generate a story, which has absolutely no factual foundation, nothing but assertions
by various intelligence agencies, presented as an assessment that is beyond question. What is
your evaluation of this?
CH: The commercial broadcast networks, and that includes CNN and MSNBC, are not in the
business of journalism. They hardly do any. Their celebrity correspondents are courtiers to the
elite. They speculate about and amplify court gossip, which is all the accusations about
Russia, and they repeat what they are told to repeat. They sacrifice journalism and truth for
ratings and profit. These cable news shows are one of many revenue streams in a corporate
structure. They compete against other revenue streams. The head of CNN, Jeff Zucker, who helped
create the fictional persona of Donald Trump on "Celebrity Apprentice," has turned politics on
CNN into a 24-hour reality show. All nuance, ambiguity, meaning and depth, along with
verifiable fact, are sacrificed for salacious entertainment. Lying, racism, bigotry and
conspiracy theories are given platforms and considered newsworthy, often espoused by people
whose sole quality is that they are unhinged. It is news as burlesque.
I was on the investigative team at the New York Times during the lead-up to the
Iraq War. I was based in Paris and covered Al Qaeda in Europe and the Middle East. Lewis
Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle and maybe somebody in an intelligence agency, would
confirm whatever story the administration was attempting to pitch. Journalistic rules at the
Times say you can't go with a one-source story. But if you have three or four
supposedly independent sources confirming the same narrative, then you can go with it, which is
how they did it. The paper did not break any rules taught at Columbia journalism school, but
everything they wrote was a lie.
The whole exercise was farcical. The White House would leak some bogus story to Judy Miller
or Michael Gordon, and then go on the talk shows to say, 'as the Times reported .' It gave
these lies the veneer of independence and reputable journalism. This was a massive
institutional failing, and one the paper has never faced.
DN: The CIA pitches the story, and then the Times gets the verification from those
who pitch it to them.
CH: It's not always pitched. And not much of this came from the CIA. The CIA wasn't buying
the "weapons of mass destruction" hysteria.
DN: It goes the other way too?
CH: Sure. Because if you're trying to have access to a senior official, you'll constantly be
putting in requests, and those officials will decide when they want to see you. And when they
want to see you, it's usually because they have something to sell you.
DN: The media's anti-Russia narrative has been embraced by large portions of what presents
itself as the "left."
CH: Well, don't get me started on the American left. First of all, there is no American left
-- not a left that has any kind of seriousness, that understands political or revolutionary
theories, that's steeped in economic study, that understands how systems of power work,
especially corporate and imperial power. The left is caught up in the same kind of cults of
personality that plague the rest of society. It focuses on Trump, as if Trump is the central
problem. Trump is a product, a symptom of a failed system and dysfunctional democracy, not the
disease.
If you attempt to debate most of those on the supposedly left, they reduce discussion to
this cartoonish vision of politics.
The serious left in this country was decimated. It started with the suppression of radical
movements under Woodrow Wilson, then the "Red Scares" in the 1920s, when they virtually
destroyed our labor movement and our radical press, and then all of the purges in the 1950s.
For good measure, they purged the liberal class -- look at what they did to Henry Wallace -- so
that Cold War "liberals" equated capitalism with democracy, and imperialism with freedom and
liberty. I lived in Switzerland and France. There are still residues of a militant left in
Europe, which gives Europeans something to build upon. But here we almost have to begin from
scratch.
I've battled continuously with Antifa and the Black Bloc. I think they're kind of poster
children for what I would consider phenomenal political immaturity. Resistance is not a form of
personal catharsis. We are not fighting the rise of fascism in the 1930s. The corporate elites
we have to overthrow already hold power. And unless we build a broad, popular resistance
movement, which takes a lot of patient organizing among working men and women, we are going to
be steadily ground down.
So Trump's not the problem. But just that sentence alone is going to kill most discussions
with people who consider themselves part of the left.
The corporate state has made it very hard to make a living if you hold fast to this radical
critique. You will never get tenure. You probably won't get academic appointments. You won't
win prizes. You won't get grants. The New York Times , if they review your book, will
turn it over to a dutiful mandarin like George Packer to trash it -- as he did with my last
book. The elite schools, and I have taught as a visiting professor at a few of them, such as
Princeton and Columbia, replicate the structure and goals of corporations. If you want to even
get through a doctoral committee, much less a tenure committee, you must play it really, really
safe. You must not challenge the corporate-friendly stance that permeates the institution and
is imposed through corporate donations and the dictates of wealthy alumni. Half of the members
of most of these trustee boards should be in prison!
Speculation in the 17th century in Britain was a crime. Speculators were hanged. And today
they run the economy and the country. They have used the capturing of wealth to destroy the
intellectual, cultural and artistic life in the country and snuff out our democracy. There is a
word for these people: traitors.
DN: What about the impact that you've seen of identity politics in America?
CH: Well, identity politics defines the immaturity of the left. The corporate state embraced
identity politics. We saw where identity politics got us with Barack Obama, which is worse than
nowhere. He was, as Cornel West said, a black mascot for Wall Street, and now he is going
around to collect his fees for selling us out.
My favorite kind of anecdotal story about identity politics: Cornel West and I, along with
others, led a march of homeless people on the Democratic National Convention session in
Philadelphia. There was an event that night. It was packed with hundreds of people, mostly
angry Bernie Sanders supporters. I had been asked to come speak. And in the back room, there
was a group of younger activists, one who said, "We're not letting the white guy go first."
Then he got up and gave a speech about how everybody now had to vote for Hillary Clinton.
That's kind of where identity politics gets you. There is a big difference between shills for
corporate capitalism and imperialism, like Corey Booker and Van Jones, and true radicals like
Glen Ford and Ajamu Baraka. The corporate state carefully selects and promotes women, or people
of color, to be masks for its cruelty and exploitation.
It is extremely important, obviously, that those voices are heard, but not those voices that
have sold out to the power elite. The feminist movement is a perfect example of this. The old
feminism, which I admire, the Andrea Dworkin kind of feminism, was about empowering oppressed
women. This form of feminism did not try to justify prostitution as sex work. It knew that it
is just as wrong to abuse a woman in a sweatshop as it is in the sex trade. The new form of
feminism is an example of the poison of neoliberalism. It is about having a woman CEO or woman
president, who will, like Hillary Clinton, serve the systems of oppression. It posits that
prostitution is about choice. What woman, given a stable income and security, would choose to
be raped for a living? Identity politics is anti-politics.
DN: I believe you spoke at a Socialist Convergence conference where you criticized Obama and
Sanders, and you were shouted down.
CH: Yes, I don't even remember. I've been shouted down criticizing Obama in many places,
including Berkeley. I have had to endure this for a long time as a supporter and speech writer
for Ralph Nader. People don't want the illusion of their manufactured personalities, their
political saviors, shattered; personalities created by public relations industries. They don't
want to do the hard work of truly understanding how power works and organizing to bring it
down.
DN: You mentioned that you have been reading the World Socialist Web Site for some
time. You know we are quite outside of that framework.
CH: I'm not a Marxist. I'm not a Trotskyist. But I like the site. You report on important
issues seriously and in a way a lot of other sites don't. You care about things that are
important to me -- mass incarceration, the rights and struggles of the working class and the
crimes of empire. I have read the site for a long time.
DN: Much of what claims to be left -- that is, the pseudo-left -- reflects the interests of
the affluent middle class.
CH: Precisely. When everybody was, you know, pushing for multiculturalism in lead
institutions, it really meant filtering a few people of color or women into university
departments or newsrooms, while carrying out this savage economic assault against the working
poor and, in particular, poor people of color in deindustrialized pockets of the United States.
Very few of these multiculturalists even noticed. I am all for diversity, but not when it is
devoid of economic justice. Cornel West has been one of the great champions, not only of the
black prophetic tradition, the most important intellectual tradition in our history, but the
clarion call for justice in all its forms. There is no racial justice without economic justice.
And while these elite institutions sprinkled a few token faces into their hierarchy, they
savaged the working class and the poor, especially poor people of color.
Much of the left was fooled by the identity politics trick. It was a boutique activism. It
kept the corporate system, the one we must destroy, intact. It gave it a friendly face.
DN: The World Socialist Web Site has made the issue of inequality a central focus
of its coverage.
CH: That's why I read it and like it.
DN: Returning to the Russia issue, where do you see this going? How seriously do you see
this assault on democratic rights? We call this the new McCarthyism. Is that, in your view, a
legitimate analogy?
CH: Yes, of course it's the new McCarthyism. But let's acknowledge how almost irrelevant our
voices are.
DN: I don't agree with you on that.
CH: Well, irrelevant in the sense that we're not heard within the mainstream. When I go to
Canada I am on the CBC on prime time. The same is true in France. That never happens here. PBS
and NPR are never going to do that. Nor are they going to do that for any other serious critic
of capitalism or imperialism.
If there is a debate about attacking Syria, for example, it comes down to bombing Syria or
bombing Syria and sending in troops, as if these are the only two options. Same with health
care. Do we have Obamacare, a creation of the Heritage Foundation and the pharmaceutical and
insurance industries, or no care? Universal health care for all is not discussed. So we are on
the margins. But that does not mean we are not dangerous. Neoliberalism and globalization are
zombie ideologies. They have no credibility left. The scam has been found out. The global
oligarchs are hated and reviled. The elite has no counterargument to our critique. So they
can't afford to have us around. As the power elite becomes more frightened, they're going to
use harsher forms of control, including the blunt instrument of censorship and violence.
DN: I think it can be a big mistake to be focused on the sense of isolation or
marginalization. I'll make a prediction. You will have, probably sooner than you think, more
requests for interviews and television time. We are in a period of colossal political
breakdown. We are going to see, more and more, the emergence of the working class as a powerful
political force.
CH: That's why we are a target. With the bankruptcy of the ruling ideology, and the
bankruptcy of the American liberal class and the American left, those who hold fast to
intellectual depth and an examination of systems of power, including economics, culture and
politics, have to be silenced. (Republished from World Socialist Web Site by
permission of author or representative)
I'm a moderate admirer of Chris Hedges, but he is really cooking in this interview. Too much
to praise here, but his thinking that corporations, the mainstream media, and the academy can
and do successfully "game" dissent by suppression, divide and conquer, co-optation, and so
on, is spot on.
Good but not great interview with Chris Hodges: he manages to talk about an amorphous elite
without identifying any of them and not a word about Israel. So pseudo-good roally
I think this was an excellent discussion, and I would like to thank you both for having it,
and sharing it.
Among the crises effecting the United States, the one effecting us most profoundly is the
absence of any accountability for the crimes committed by our oligarchic class.
Addressing this issue is ground zero for any meaningful change.
If there is no accountability for their crimes , there will be no change.
Certainly the greatest among these crimes was(is) defrauding the nation into " a war of
aggression". which, being the supreme international crime, should be met with harsh prison
sentences for all who promoted it.
It is important for everyone to recognize just how much damage these policies have done to
the country, not just in terms of our collective morale or our constitutional mandates,not
just in terms of our international standing on universal principles of legality and justice,
but our long term economic solvency as a nation.
The "exceptionalism" of our "war of aggression" elites has completely devastated our
nation's balance sheet.
Since 9-11, our national debt has grown by a mind numbing "fourteen and a half trillion
dollars".. nearly quadrupling since 1999.
This unconscionable level of "overspending" is unprecedented in human history.
Not one lawmaker, not one primetime pundit, nor one editorialist (of any major newspaper),
has a CLUE how to deal with it.
Aside from the root atrocity in visiting mass murder on millions of innocents who never
attacked us (and never intended to) which is a horrible crime in and of itself,
There is the profound crisis , in situ , of potentially demanding that 320 million
Americans PAY FOR THE WARS OUR ELITES LIED US INTO .
This is where the rubber meets the road for our "war of aggression-ists ", gentlemen.
This is the "unanimous space" of our entire country's population on the issue of "no
taxation without representation".
WHOSE assets should be made forfeit to pay for these wars .The DECEIVERS or the DECEIVED
?
Ask "The People" ..and you will find your answer .very fast.
No wonder our "elites" are terrified to discuss this .
I agree with the general tenor of this article and would further state that in addition to
the Iraq thing which was a war crime and eliminated any shreds of legitimacy retained by the
yankee regime that the Libya overthrow and destruction, a war crime of historic proportions,
and the use of that overthrow to provide major support to the barbaric element in Syria
expose the yankee regime as an enemy of civilization with all that entails, including
questions of whether, absent any legitimacy, the regime's continued existence itself does not
constitute a major threat.
The elements in the article discussing and exposing the New York Times and its role as an
integral part of the power structure should be read and remembered by all.
How do you interpret the fixation on Russia and the entire interpretation of the
election within the framework of Putin's manipulation?
Chris Hedges: It's as ridiculous as Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. It is
an absolutely unproven allegation that is used to perpetuate a very frightening accusation
-- critics of corporate capitalism and imperialism are foreign agents for Russia.
With all due respect for Chris Hedges, who is doubtless a courageous journalist and an
intelligent commentator, I would suggest that what is also and most ridiculous is the thought
that it is only agents of Israel that have suborned the neocon faction within USA's
government and 'Deep State' (controllers of MSM). Or is this OT? I don't think so, because if
we are to discuss the anti-Russia campaign realistically, as baseless in fact, and as
contrived for an effect and to further/protect some particular interests, we can hardly avoid
the question: Who or what interest is served by the anti-Russia campaign?
Who or what interest is served by anti-Russia propaganda other than, or in addition to,
just the usual MIC suspects, profiteering corporations who want to keep a supposed need for
nuclear weapons front and center in the minds of Congress? Cui bono?
To be clear: I suggest that neocon office-holders within USA's government or within the
Deep State (controllers of MSM) are foreign agents for at least three nations: the People's
Republic of China,the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the State of Israel.
(I would compare USA now with Imperial China in its declining years when it was being sold
piecemeal to all the great powers of Europe.)
Who benefits from this situation and how do they benefit? All three of these countries are
deeply involved in suborning members of Congress and others within the government of the USA,
yet none of the three is mentioned in such a connection by the MSM or by officials of the
Executive. Thus, it is beneficial to them to have suspicion thrown onto Russia and thus
investigative attention deflected from themselves. A few public figures (e.g., Philip
Giraldi) have made such allegations respecting Israel, more public figures have made such
suggestions respecting Saudi Arabia, but very few have made the allegations in the case of
the PRC.
Let's think about this in the context of history, beginning with the Vietnam War. When USA
got involved in Vietnam -- which involvement began during the days of Eisenhower/Dulles --
probably the primary interest groups that swayed USA global/foreign policy were the Vatican
and the China Lobby. The interests of these two lobbies converged in Vietnam. From the RC
side, consider an historical event that is unknown practically to any Americans under the age
of 60 or 70, namely, Operation Passage to Freedom, 1954-55.
"The period was marked by a CIA-backed propaganda campaign on behalf of South Vietnam's
Roman Catholic Prime Minister Ngo Dinh Diem. The campaign exhorted Catholics to flee
impending religious persecution under communism, and around 60% of the north's 1 million
Catholics obliged." (Wikipedia: Operation Passage to Freedom )
From the side of the China Lobby – avoiding the matter of JFK's planning to dump USA
involvement in Vietnam after the 1964 election – what we saw in the early years of
USA's involvement, 1965-1969, was a period in which the China Lobby could push an agenda that
included widening the Vietnam campaign into southern China, particularly to include the
tungsten mining operations supposedly owned by K.C. Wu. Tungsten at that time was considered
as having tremendous strategic value, centering on, but not limited to, its essential use in
the filaments of incandescent light-bulbs. It became clear after the Tet Offensive that the
entire strategy of reopening the Chinese civil war, capturing the tungsten, etc, could make
sense only if Chang Kai Shek's KMT would commit its troops in huge numbers, virtually all of
its troops, on the ground in Vietnam (which would have brought in huge numbers of PRC troops
on the other side) -- it became, to borrow one of Nixon's favorite phrases, "perfectly clear"
that expansion into southern China and capture of the tungsten operations there were not in
the cards. When Kissinger talked up his 'realpolitik', what he really meant was the politics
of surrendering to Beijing. So, Nixon in July 1969, recognizing that there was nothing to be
gained by the loss of life and expenditure of every form of capital, ordered first of many
troop withdrawals from Vietnam. It was all a done deal as of Kissinger taking over as
National Security Adviser, January 1969 -- everything but the tears.
Now, patience, dear reader, this is all leading up to a certain crucial event that took
place in 1971 -- namely, Kissinger's secret trip to Beijing in July (1971) to arrange for
everything regarding what amounted to a surrender to the PRC, except the end of the Vietnam
War. The documents are still unavailable as classified Top Secret or whatever, but clearly,
China had no interest in seeing an end to the Vietnam War, because both parties –
Vietnam and USA – were adversaries of China. (Let them knock each other out!) Most
likely, Zhou talked Henry into doing what he could to prolong USA's involvement in the
Vietnam War, not to shorten it. See, including between the lines, National Security
Archives:
As noted, this stuff is mostly unavailable to us, the public, but it is clear that USA's
'leaders' (Nixon and Kissinger) wanted to make kissy-kissy with Zhou Enlai, and it was all
arranged including George H. W. Bush's appointment as USA's first 'Ambassador' (in all but
name) to Beijing, and including giving China's permanent seat on the UNSC to Beijing and
otherwise selling out the old China Lobby. I call it the 'old China Lobby' because part of
what was arranged was that the old China Lobby would be taken over by the New China lobby,
complete with all the payola channels into Congress and the Deep State.
Now, I think, we arrive at today, 2017, and the failure of Trump to act on his campaign
promises to oppose China in any way. Maybe he thought about it for a minute, but he was
surrounded by neocons, who were already on the payroll of the PRC -- if not taking direct
orders from the Standing Committee of the CCP, then at least promised to avoid offending the
interests of the PRC -- on pain of losing regular paychecks from Beijing into their secret
Grand Cayman accounts.
What I would like to say to Hedges. and others like him, is just this:
THEY say that you are foreign agents for Russia? Time to use a little judo on them: time
for YOU to speak truth that THEY are foreign agents for the People's Republic of China.
And don't forget this potent phrase: YET NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON!
"The elite has no counterargument to our critique. So they can't afford to have us
around. As the power elite becomes more frightened, they're going to use harsher forms of
control, including the blunt instrument of censorship and violence."
Precisely! What makes it even worse, they will be pushing this new pretexts for control
sloppy (as in Vegas) and in a hurry. Which will make them look even more ridiculous and due
to the lack of time will force to act even more stupid, resulting in an exponential curve of
censorship, oppression and insanity. And that's there the maniacal dreams of certain forces
to start a really big war in the Middle East (with or without attacking North Korea first)
may come true.
"avoiding the matter of JFK's planning to dump USA involvement in Vietnam after the 1964
election – "
Now that's a lie. This part is a lie. Or it is carefully crafted ex post hoc mythology a
la Camelot, the Kennedy Mystique.
FACT: JFK was a Cold War Hawk and during his administration increased nuclear arms higher
than Ike and until Reagan.
JFK during his administration increased the number of "advisers" to a higher number than
Ike.
William F. Buckley pointedly asked Senator Robert Kennedy in the mid. '60′s "So, was
there any thought of the White House pulling out [of Vietnam]?
RFK: No. There never was.
If anything, had he lived to see a second term, most likely US involvement in Vietnam
would have escalated as much as under LBJ, perhaps with the same disastrous results, perhaps
not. But JFK was no peacenik dove.
Mr. Hedges comes across as a total whackjob, and makes Bill Moyers appear to be a gentle
moderate in comparison. That he thinks so highly of race man BLM supporter Cornell West
speaks volumes of naivety to the nth degree. A total cuck without even knowing it, nay,
totally appreciative of being a cuck and it appears to be his hope that one day his cardinal
sin of being white will be purged by peoples of color, who are his true moral and
intellectual betters in every step of the way.
I agree that the Russia fixation is garbage, but explaining the populist revolt without
touching on the major issue of forced demographic and cultural change through legal and
illegal immigration is dishonest. Almost everyone who isn't an immigrant or the descendant or
relative of a post-65 immigrant is pissed off beyond words about this! How did you miss the
popular response to Trump's promises to "deport them all," end birthright citizenship and
chain migration, build a wall etc.? Without those promises, he wouldn't have made it to the
debates.
I'm also not sure how welfare has been stripped. What programs aren't available?
I'm not sure how to lower black incarceration rates. Having taught in inner-city schools
and worked in the same environment in other jobs, I know that crime and dysfunction are
through the roof. I can only imagine what those communities would be like if the predators
and crooks that are incarcerated were allowed to roam free.
Chris Hedges: It's as ridiculous as Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. It is
an absolutely unproven allegation that is used to perpetuate a very frightening accusation
-- critics of corporate capitalism and imperialism are foreign agents for Russia.
Is this the same Chris Hedges that wrote those articles in November 2001 that Saddam and
al Qaeda were in cahoots, which led to the illegal 2003 invasion?
Tell me Chris, did you know about the CIA pollution then or just find out lately? And
correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you also write NYT articles in the Fall of 2002 saying
that Saddam had WMD's?
Again, getting your tips from the CIA? Ever hear of 'Operation Mockingbird?"
It is the result of the transformation of the country into an oligarchy.
That's cringe-worthy.
Transformation into an oligarchy? Transformation ??? I like Hedges' work,
but such fundamental errors really taint what he sez.
The country was never transformed into an oligarchy; it began as one.
In fact, it was organized and functioned as a pluto-oligarchy right out of the box. In
case anyone has the dimness to argue with me about it, all that shows is that you don't know
JS about how the cornstitution was foisted on the rest of us by the plutoligarchs.
"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for "
-Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIII, 1782 . ME 2:163
The Elites "Have No Credibility Left"
Guess what, boys and girls Why did they have any to begin with?
Where do people get their faith? WakeTF up, already!! (Yes, I'm losing it. Because even a
duumbshit goy like myself can see it. Where are all you bright bulb know-it-alls with all the
flippin answers???)
Newspapers are trapped in an old system of information they call "objectivity" and
"balance," formulae designed to cater to the powerful and the wealthy and obscure the
truth.
It's amazing that here we are, self-anointed geniuses and dumbos alike, puttering around
in the 21st century, and someone feels the necessity to point that out. And he's right; it
needs to be pointed out. Drummed into our skulls in fact.
Arrrgggghhhh!!! Jefferson again.:
Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes
suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of
misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within
their knowledge with the lies of the day.
More deja vu all over again and again. Note the date.:
"This is a story of a powerful and wealthy newspaper having enormous influence And never
a day out of more than ten thousand days that this newspaper has not subtly and
cunningly distort the news of the world in the interest of special privilege.
"
Upton Sinclair, "The crimes of the "Times" : a test of newspaper decency," pamphlet,
1921
"The serious left in this country was decimated. It started with the suppression of radical
movements under Woodrow Wilson, then the "Red Scares" in the 1920s, when they virtually
destroyed our labor movement and our radical press, and then all of the purges in the 1950s.
For good measure, they purged the liberal class -- look at what they did to Henry Wallace."
Look what they did to Henry Wallace -- Are you kidding me? Wallace was a Stalinist stooge,
too treasonous even for his boss, FDR, although the bird brain Eleanor loved him. The guy was
so out of touch with reality that after the Potemkin tour of the Gulag that Stalin gave him
during WWII he came back raving about how swell it was for the lunch-bucket gang in Siberia.
He also encouraged FDR to sell out the Poles to Stalin
I find it most fascinating that none of what Hedges says is news, but even UR readers
probably think it is. Here's an antidote to that idea.
The following quote is from Eugene Kelly who's excoriating government press releases but
the criticism applies as well to the resulting press reports. I found the whole article
striking.:
Any boob can deduce, a priori, what type of "news" is contained in this
rubbish.
-Eugene A. Kelly, Distorting the News, The American Mercury, March 1935 , pp.
307-318
Hedges doesn't seem to understand that the "Resistance" is openly and obviously working FOR
Deepstate. They do not resist wars and globalism and monopolistic corporations. They resist
everyone who questions the war. They resist nationalism and localism.
Nothing mysterious or hidden about this, no ulterior motive or bankshot. It's explicitly
stated in every poster and shout and beating.
EU kowtowing to President Trump's grab for global power, has only aroused his desire to
dominate their markets, dictate their trade relations and defense spending. Trump tells the EU
that his enemies are theirs.
Trump believes in the doctrine of unilateral trade and 'deals' based on the principle that
the US decides what you sell, how much you pay, and what you buy. The giant French oil
multinational Total, which had promised to invest in Iran ,submitted to Trump and withdrew from
its agreement and turned a deaf- ear to the French President
President Macron facing US tariffs on French exports bent his knee to Trump. Paris would
support 'joint efforts to reduce overcapacities, regulate subsidies and protect intellectual
property'. Trump heard the ring of the EU begging cup and imposed tariffs and demanded more
The EU 'vowed' to retaliate to Trump's tariffs by . . . sucking up to Trump's trade war with
China. The European Commission (EC) announced it was launching a case against . . . China!
Echoing Trump's allegations that Beijing was committing the 'crime' of insisting ('forcing' in
EU rhetoric) foreign investors transfer technology as part of the basis for doing business.
Trump turned on Mexico and Canada, his flunky allies in NAFTA by slapping both with
tariffs.
Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was 'dismayed' after wining and dining Trump in an
embarrassing charm offensive, Trump ate, drank, and slapped a tariff on steel and aluminum and
threatened to withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement.
In response Trudeau cited Canada's century and a half military support for US imperial wars.
To no avail!
For Trump, the past is the past. It's time to move ahead and for Canada to 'buy
American'.
And when Trudeau talked of imposing reciprocal tariffs on US exports, Trump countered by
threatening to break all trading agreements. At which point Trudeau proposed 'further'
negotiations.
Trump's tariff on Mexican steel and aluminum exports evoked the robust response of a true
Treaty lackey – the Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto claimed negotiations were
'continuing' and US companies were 'involved'!
The harder Trump pushed, the greater the retreat of his EU and North American 'allies'.
Facing rhetorical retaliation from the EU, Trump tweeted German Prime Minister Merkle's nose
out of shape, by threatening to slap Germany with car tariffs worth $20 billion dollars.
The German Prime Minister and the head of Volkswagen broke ranks with the EU, and forgot all
talk of retaliation and EU 'unity'. They embraced negotiations and proposed 'bilateral
trans-Atlantic agreements based on Trump's terms!
Trump is not improvising', nor is he 'erratic'. He wields power; he knows that his
competitors' spinelessness is accompanied by mutual back-stabbing and he is exploiting their
appeasement, by encouraging their belly crawling.
President Trump exhibits a 'will to power'.
Appeasement in the nineteen thirties allowed Germany to defeat and occupy Europe. President
Trump ,in the 21 st century. is defeating the EU and conquering its markets
Trump is not improvising', nor is he 'erratic'. He wields power; he knows that his
competitors' spinelessness is accompanied by mutual back-stabbing and he is exploiting
their appeasement, by encouraging their belly crawling.
As disappointed as I am with Trump on so many levels, I am still enjoying the hell out of
watching this! The Euro-muppets are so weak, pathetic and contemptible. It's just so much fun
watching them get kicked in the teeth by Trump over and over and over, each time crawling
back begging for more. BOHICA, little bitchez!
I hope their voters are watching this too. Then we might be able to bring down this
damnable 'Atlantic bridge' at the next election.
As part of the propaganda campaign to discredit and isolate Russia, the UK and the Ukraine,
stalwart flunkies of Washington, accused Moscow of assassinations by poison and bullets. Both
alleged victims appeared live and well in due time!
On March 4, 2018, the Prime Minister of the UK Theresa May claimed that Sergei Skripal and
his daughter Yulia were poisoned by Russian secret agents. Foreign Secretary Boris "Bobo"
Johnson called the poison, 'the most-deadly agent known to man' (sic) – Novichok.
According to "Terry and Bobo" the poison kills in 30 seconds. Two months later Sergei and Yulia
were seen taking a stroll in a park.
The fake charges were promoted by the entire Anglo-Americans mass media. The UK proceeded to
charge Putin with 'crimes against humanity' , backed additional diplomatic and economic
sanctions, increased military spending for homeland defense and urged President Trump to take
forceful action. Once the 'victims' 'rose from the dead' the media never questioned the
regime's claim of a Russian conspiracy planned at the highest level.
The UK scored a few trivial merit points from Washington, which, however, did not prevent
President Trump from slapping a double-digit tariff on British steel and aluminum exports (with
more to come)!
The Ukraine joined the line of toadies trying to secure President Trump's approval by
cooking up another Russian murder plot. This time Ukraine leaders claimed Kremlin agents
assassinated one Arkady Babchenko, an anti-Russian journalist and self-proclaimed exile in
Kiev.
On May 29, 2018, Arkady was found 'murdered' or so said the Ukraine President Petro
Poroshenko and repeated, embellished and circulated by the entire western mass media.
On May 31, a wide-eyed 'Arkady' turned up alive and claiming his 'resurrection' was a
planned plot to catch a Russian agent!
Western regimes systematic use of lies, plots and conspiracies are central to the imperial
drive for world power.
In Syria, the US accused Damascus of using poisonous gas against its own people in order to
justify NATO's terror bombing of Aleppo's civilian population!
In Libya, Obama and Clinton claimed President Gaddafi distributed Viagra to his armed forced
to rape innocent civilians, precipitating the US-EU terror bombing of the country and rape and
murder of President Ghaddafi.
The question is whether western leaders will seek papal recognition of CIA directed
resurrections to coincide with Easter?
"... There is no mystery at all. Any USA politician who critises Israel knows that the end of his career is near. An opponent is financed. As I heard a USA female politician say about Jews 'we do not like them, w're afraid of them'. ..."
"... Don't forget the assassination of JFK by the CIA and their instigators. JFK and his brother Robert, at that time Attorney General, the American Zionist Committee (AZC), the predecessor organization of AIPAC, to register as a foreign agent because the AZC funneled $5 million (more than $35 million in today's dollars) into US propaganda and lobbying operations. ..."
"... Rep. Louie Gohmert recently said that, in reference to Hillary Clinton, the FBI had discovered a "foreign entity that was not Russia was getting every single one of her 30,000 emails" and further, "They did nothing". Question is: what foreign country would get a pass from the FBI for that type of behavior? ..."
" The real mystery, if there is one, is why no American politician has either the guts or the
integrity or perhaps the necessary intelligence to substitute Tel Aviv for Moscow and to call
Israel out like we are currently calling out Russia for actions that pale in comparison to
what Netanyahu has been up to. "
There is no mystery at all.
Any USA politician who critises Israel knows that the end of his career is near.
An opponent is financed.
As I heard a USA female politician say about Jews 'we do not like them, w're afraid of
them'.
Maybe the suspicious deaths of German politicians who criticized Israel, Möllemann,
or Barschel, he would not allow Mossad to train Iranian fighter pilots in N Germany, also are
factor.
Möllemann's parachute did not open, the safety mechanism was not there, it seems,
Barschel went to Geneva to commit suicide.
Then we have the murders of Palme and Anna Lyndh. Anna Lyndh was to be next Swedish prime
minister, she wanted an EU economic boycott of Israel.
Then there is the murder of the Dutch diplomat Ferdinand Smit, in 2000, in N Mali, he
spoke Arabic fluently, Perez had sent him to Arafat. Possibly the talks were not what Perez
had expected, on top of that, his ph d thesis certainly was not liked.
Ferdinand Smit, 'The battle for South Lebanon, The radicalization of Lebanon's Shi'ites,
1982-1985', Amsterdam, 2000
Phil Geraldi's analogy should finally open at least the eyes of the last American dreamer of
the so-called special relationship between the US and its Zionist master. It's not a mystery
or a lack of guts like Phil Geraldi speculates, but 95 percent of the US Congress is in the
pocket of the Zionist Lobby, and 99 percent of the US press is in the hands of "Israel
Firster." The well-being of the Zionist regime is on the front burner not only for the
political but also for the media class. The American people count least. When anybody meddled
in the "sacrosanct" American election, which is the most corrupted election system in the
world, then the Zionist regime with its fifth column, the Zionist Israel Lobby in the US.
They are to blame and not Russia.
Don't forget the assassination of JFK by the CIA and their instigators. JFK and his
brother Robert, at that time Attorney General, the American Zionist Committee (AZC), the
predecessor organization of AIPAC, to register as a foreign agent because the AZC funneled $5
million (more than $35 million in today's dollars) into US propaganda and lobbying
operations.
JFK strongly objected to Israel's secret nuclear program. After Lyndon B. Johnson
succeeded JFK, everything the assassination was concerned, was glossed over. Johnson also
obstructed the solving of Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty.
Bobby Kennedy, who resigned in 1964 as Attorney General under Johnson, could only
elucidate the assassination of his brother as President of the United States. In 1968, Bobby
Kennedy was the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for the presidency. On June
5, 1968, Kennedy was deadly wounded by his alleged assassin Sirhan Sirhan, who happened to be
a Palestinian. For the American public and its political and media class, these are all real
hazards.
Giraldi is entirely right that the Zionist regime wants to fight Iran on US behalf such as
George W. did with Iraq. Although President Trump is at least rhetorically the most
subservient US President to Israel, so, he seems not as trigger happy and politically stupid
as George W. At least on his campaign trail he wanted the US out of the needless wars his
predecessors started and continued. But now Trump is not only surrounded by a bunch of
Zionists but also encompassed by the most hawkish adviser the US establishment has to offer,
John Bolton. He wishes Iran to hell like Netanyahu.
The Zionist regime is the most significant liability the US has. This regime is fed by
yearly over 3.8 billion, plus the extras in weaponry and other goodies they need to oppress
the Palestinian people or against aggression from outside that they deliberately provoke. The
largest interferers in US elections are Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and the rest of the
Zionist Israel lobby who make the candidates for US Congress look like obedient doggies.
How much longer will the American People still accept this farce?
Superb article as usual on Jewish dominance of American Foreign policy MSM, I wonder just how
many Americans realised their role in so many of the nation's problems ? After all all MSM
propaganda sorry I mean news is declining and at least as far as I am aware fewer people than
ever listen or watch it. Certainly it appears that people are waking up to the lies and
hypocrisy at last.
Rep. Louie Gohmert recently said that, in reference to Hillary Clinton, the FBI had
discovered a "foreign entity that was not Russia was getting every single one of her 30,000
emails" and further, "They did nothing". Question is: what foreign country would get a pass
from the FBI for that type of behavior?
For twenty years the US military has been attacking people who can't fight back . .
The French historian and demographer, who in 1976 predicted the implosion of the USSR
empire ( The Final Fall: An Essay on the Decomposition of the Soviet Sphere ) and
a quarter century later our own comuppance After the Empire: The Breakdown of the
American Order ) referred to these occurrences by coining the term 'theatrical
micro-militarism.' Seems fitting.
War is not an athletic contest. It is the imposition of one party's will on the other
using force. the more incapable the enemy the better. In the case of the Iraqis during
the invasion they fought back. They lost but they fought back.
Those polls now became an echo changer. As valid information is by-and-large relegated to alt-channels people who rely on MSM
can't form an independent opinion about foreign policy issues. As the USA moved to the national security state model
after 9/11 people also naturally stopped giving honest answers in the polls.
So the level of conforms simultaneously reflects the level of distrust and fear of the ruling neoliberal elite.
Also many spend too much efforts on earning a living to form a coherent view of foreign
affairs. They just regurgitate MSM. Still while they have lingering distrust and some level of
fear to ward ruling neoliberal elite, they feel that it is saver to give "politically correct
answer.
So polls became an echo chamber of government policies. like with netters to Pravda: "We
enthusiastically support the wise policies of our Politburo" no matter what is the issue.
This year, an average of all respondents – people born between 1928 and 1996 –
showed that 64 percent believe the U.S. should take an active part in world affairs, but
interesting differences could be seen when the numbers are broken down by generation.
The silent generation, born between 1928 and 1945 whose formative years were during World
War II and the early Cold War, showed the strongest support at 78 percent. Support fell from
there through each age group. It bottomed out with millennials, of whom only 51 percent felt
the U.S. should take an active part in world affairs. That's still more internationalist than
not, but less enthusiastically than other age groups.
There is some anti-Trump effect visible here: Millennials in the polling sample do identify
as less Republican – 22 percent – and less conservative than the older age groups.
But they also were the least supportive of the "take an active part" view during the Obama
administration as well.
Four sets of additional polling numbers help us dig deeper.
Military power : Only 44 percent of millennials believe maintaining superior military
power is a very important goal, much less than the other generations. They also are less
supportive of increasing defense spending. And when asked whether they support the use of
force, millennials are generally disinclined, especially so on policies like conducting
airstrikes against Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime, using troops if North Korea invades
South Korea, and conducting airstrikes against violent Islamic extremist groups.
American 'exceptionalism' : Millennials also were much less inclined to embrace the
idea that America is "the greatest country in the world." Only half of millennials felt that
way, compared to much higher percentages of the other three generations. In a related response,
only one-quarter of millenials saw the need for the U.S. to be "the dominant world leader." These findings track with the
2014 American National Election Study , which found that while 78 percent of silent, 70
percent of boomer and 60 percent of Gen X respondents consider their American identity as
extremely important, only 45 percent of millennials do.
Alliances and international agreements : Millennials are especially supportive of
NATO, at 72 percent. In this measure, they are close to the other generations' levels of NATO
support. Their 68 percent support for the Paris climate agreement is higher than two of the
other three age groups. And their 63 percent support for the Iran nuclear nonproliferation
agreement is even with boomers and higher than Gen X. https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/XN2y2/6/
Globalization and key trade issues : Millennials' 70 percent agreement with the
statement that "globalization is mostly good for the United States" is higher than all the
other age groups. Similarly, 62 percent believe that NAFTA (North American Free Trade
Agreement) is good for the U.S. economy – well above the others surveyed. The margin is
also positive although narrower on the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement.
These and other polls show millennials to have a world view that, while well short of
isolationist, is also not as assertively and broadly internationalist as previous
generations.
... ... ...
By Bruce Jentleson , Professor of Public Policy and Political Science, Duke University.
Cross-posted
from Alternet .
"active part in world affairs" has, since 1893, usually meant invasions and bombing.
The US military, the costliest in history, hasn't won a war since 1946, unless Panama and
Grenada count. Korea is still a tie. Perhaps many are coming to realize that all the US
population [compared to corporations and corporation owners which show allegiance only to
money] needs is a border patrol and a coast guard. Not 'our' empire.
First, the United States has been at war in Afghanistan and Iraq for close to half the
lives of the oldest millennials, who were born in 1981
They're not counting the first Iraq War.
Only 70% in favor of "globalization" is pretty good in light of our lifetime of
propaganda. I'd be in favor of disbanding NATO and cutting the military and intelligence
budget by 80%, at least as a starting offer.
I think you have an interesting point re: "globalization" and propaganda. In school
(2000-2010ish) the term globalization was presented as a kind of antonym of isolationist. It
was portrayed as an attitude of openness to other countries, travelling internationally,
sharing in someone else culture, etc. The business/economic side was sort of introduced in
high school, but even then I remember being taught a definition of "globalization" closer to
"multiculturalism" than to one like "Imperialism". Post-high school life (and the GFC) really
drove home the true meaning of the word.
To this day I still reflexively read the word globalization as something akin to
"multiculturalism", despite knowing full well that it is anything but. From discussing
politics with other people in my generation I also get a sense that they are operating with
this weird dual (schizo?) meaning of "globalization".
Any other millennials have a similar experience with this word?
It might be nice to see the survey instruments too, to see what the questions were and how
loaded in favor of Empire or balanced (that deadly word) they were.
I didn't much like being put into the group called the Silent Generation, so I went to
wikipedia to see why it was called that.
" While there were many civil rights leaders, the "Silents" are called that because many
focused on their careers rather than on activism, and people in it were largely encouraged to
conform with social norms. As young adults during the McCarthy Era, many members of the
Silent Generation felt it was dangerous to speak out Time magazine coined the term "Silent
Generation" in a November 5, 1951 article titled "The Younger Generation" The Time article
said that the ambitions of this generation had shrunk, but that it had learned to make the
best of bad situations [?] In the United States, the generation was comparatively small They
are noted as forming the leadership of the civil rights movement as well as comprising the
"silent majority"
Ah, that's why I didn't much like it – and that was Nixon's silent majority, not me,
wikipedia – not me! But I'll forgive you because down below you put me in the group
called "The Lucky Few" and said how many of us were Really Good People. I'll buy that.
;))
Interesting results on Millennials' view of American Exceptionalism. I am not at all
surprised by those results, and I wonder if study abroad programs are having a deep impact on
young people's political views. They are seeing in detailed fashion the utter horror of
government-sponsored or managed healthcare, as well as how "socialism" in northern European
has inflicted a very favorable standard of living on most of the middle class.
Conversely, I still have to laugh at the 2012 campaign ad sponsored by Rickets of TD
Ameritrade fame that described the results of "socialism" and showed post-War Europe pictures
of old ladies on the side of the road. One of my parent's friends (now in her '80s) seemed
surprised that people in Europe didn't live shacks when shown my parent's vacation
pictures.
It's been almost eight years since Chalmers Johnson died. He was the author of, among other
works, Blowback: The Costs and
Consequences of American Empire and Dismantling the
Empire . He was also a TomDispatchstalwart
and a friend . As I watch the strange destructive dance of Donald Trump and his cohorts
, I still regularly find myself wondering: What would Chal think? His acerbic wit and, as a
former consultant to the CIA, his deep sense of how the national security state worked provided
me with a late education. With no access to my Ouija board, however, the best I can do when it
comes to answering such questions is repost his classic
final piece for this site on the necessity of dismantling the American empire before it
dismantles us. He wrote it in July 2009, convinced that we had long passed from a republic to
an empire and were on the downward slide, helped along by what he called a " military
Keynesianism " run amok. He saw the Pentagon and our empire of
bases abroad as a kind of Ponzi scheme that would, someday, help bankrupt this country.
How fascinated he would have been by the first candidate to ride an
escalator into a presidential contest on a
singular message of American decline. ("Make American great again !") And how much
more so by the world that candidate is creating as president, intent as he seems to be, in his
own bizarre fashion, on dismantling
the
system of global control the U.S. has built since 1945. At the same time, he seems prepared
to
finance the U.S. military at levels, which, even for Johnson, would have been eye-popping,
while attempting to
sell American arms around an embattled planet in a way that could prove unique. What a
strange combination of urges Donald Trump represents, as he teeters constantly at the
edge of war ("fire and fury like the world has never seen"),
more war ("never, ever threaten the United States again or you will suffer consequences the
likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before"), and
peace in our time. Amid all the strangeness, don't forget the strangeness of a mainstream
media that has gone bonkers
covering this president as no one has ever been covered in the history of the universe
(something that would undoubtedly have amazed Chal).
Think of what President Trump has launched as the potential imperial misadventure of a
lifetime, while checking out Chal's thoughts from so long ago on a subject that should still be
on all our minds.
Burnham was also a white supremacist. As Samuel Francis noted in the magazine
Chronicles Magazine in 2002, "in the 1960's, Burnham defended segregation on pragmatic
and constitutional (though not explicitly racial) grounds and, by the 70's, was suggesting
actual racial separation of blacks in a 'non-contiguous' area accorded 'limited sovereignty.'
He also defended both Rhodesia and South Africa, as well as other right-wing states." In fact,
Burnham thought that South Africa's Apartheid system could be a model for America, with blacks
confined to Bantustans.
I tried to read the Goldberg book on the recommendation of a relative, but I found myself
merely scanning many sections. As this reviewer notes, it isn't worth the effort to plow
through all of the pages.
I plan to see what I can find of James Burnham, however. I have read his masterful The
Managerial Revolution and this article whets my appetite for more.
"... These massive concentrations of American military power outside the United States are not needed for our defense. They are, if anything, a prime contributor to our numerous conflicts with other countries. They are also unimaginably expensive. According to Anita Dancs, an analyst for the website Foreign Policy in Focus, the United States spends approximately $250 billion each year maintaining its global military presence. The sole purpose of this is to give us hegemony -- that is, control or dominance -- over as many nations on the planet as possible. ..."
However ambitious President Barack Obama's domestic plans, one unacknowledged issue has the
potential to destroy any reform efforts he might launch. Think of it as the 800-pound gorilla
in the American living room: our longstanding reliance on imperialism and militarism in our
relations with other countries and the vast, potentially ruinous global empire of bases that
goes with it. The failure to begin to deal with our bloated military establishment and the
profligate use of it in missions for which it is hopelessly inappropriate will, sooner rather
than later, condemn the United States to a devastating trio of consequences: imperial
overstretch, perpetual war, and insolvency, leading to a likely collapse similar to that of the
former Soviet Union.
According to the 2008 official Pentagon inventory of our military bases around the world,
our empire consists
of 865 facilities in more than 40 countries and overseas U.S. territories. We deploy over
190,000 troops in 46 countries and territories. In just one such country, Japan, at the end of
March 2008, we still had 99,295 people connected to U.S. military forces living and working
there -- 49,364 members of our armed services, 45,753 dependent family members, and 4,178
civilian employees. Some 13,975 of these were crowded into the small island of Okinawa, the
largest concentration of foreign troops anywhere in Japan.
These massive concentrations of American military power outside the United States are
not needed for our defense. They are, if anything, a prime contributor to our numerous
conflicts with other countries. They are also unimaginably expensive. According to Anita Dancs,
an analyst for the website Foreign Policy in Focus, the United States spends approximately $250 billion each year maintaining its
global military presence. The sole purpose of this is to give us hegemony -- that is, control
or dominance -- over as many nations on the planet as possible.
We are like the British at the end of World War II: desperately trying to shore up an empire
that we never needed and can no longer afford, using methods that often resemble those of
failed empires of the past -- including the Axis powers of World War II and the former Soviet
Union. There is an important lesson for us in the British decision, starting in 1945, to
liquidate their empire relatively voluntarily, rather than being forced to do so by defeat in
war, as were Japan and Germany, or by debilitating colonial conflicts, as were the French and
Dutch. We should follow the British example. (Alas, they are currently backsliding and
following our example by assisting us in the war in Afghanistan.)
Here are three basic reasons why we must liquidate our empire or else watch it liquidate
us.
1. We Can No Longer Afford Our Postwar Expansionism
Shortly after his election as president, Barack Obama, in a speech announcing several
members of his new cabinet,
stated as fact that "[w]e have to maintain the strongest military on the planet." A few
weeks later, on March 12, 2009, in a speech at the National Defense University in Washington
D.C., the president again
insisted , "Now make no mistake, this nation will maintain our military dominance. We will
have the strongest armed forces in the history of the world." And in a commencement address to
the cadets of the U.S. Naval Academy on May 22nd, Obama stressed that "[w]e will maintain
America's military dominance and keep you the finest fighting force the world has ever
seen."
What he failed to note is that the United States no longer has the capability to remain a
global hegemon, and to pretend otherwise is to invite disaster.
According to a growing consensus of economists and political scientists around the world, it
is impossible for the United States to continue in that role while emerging into full view as a
crippled economic power. No such configuration has ever persisted in the history of
imperialism. The University of Chicago's Robert Pape, author of the important study Dying to Win:
The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (Random House, 2005), typically writes :
"America is in unprecedented decline. The self-inflicted wounds of the Iraq war, growing
government debt, increasingly negative current-account balances and other internal economic
weaknesses have cost the United States real power in today's world of rapidly spreading
knowledge and technology. If present trends continue, we will look back on the Bush years as
the death knell of American hegemony."
There is something absurd, even Kafkaesque, about our military empire. Jay Barr, a
bankruptcy attorney, makes this point using an
insightful analogy:
"Whether liquidating or reorganizing, a debtor who desires bankruptcy protection must
provide a list of expenses, which, if considered reasonable, are offset against income to show
that only limited funds are available to repay the bankrupted creditors. Now imagine a person
filing for bankruptcy claiming that he could not repay his debts because he had the
astronomical expense of maintaining at least 737 facilities overseas that provide exactly zero
return on the significant investment required to sustain them He could not qualify for
liquidation without turning over many of his assets for the benefit of creditors, including the
valuable foreign real estate on which he placed his bases."
In other words, the United States is not seriously contemplating its own bankruptcy. It is
instead ignoring the meaning of its precipitate economic decline and flirting with
insolvency.
Nick Turse, author of The Complex: How the
Military Invades Our Everyday Lives (Metropolitan Books, 2008), calculates that we could clear $2.6 billion if we
would sell our base assets at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean and earn another $2.2 billion if
we did the same with Guantánamo Bay in Cuba. These are only two of our over 800
overblown military enclaves.
Our unwillingness to retrench, no less liquidate, represents a striking historical failure
of the imagination. In his first official visit to China since becoming Treasury Secretary,
Timothy Geithner assured an audience of students at Beijing University, "Chinese assets
[invested in the United States] are very safe." According to
press reports , the students responded with loud laughter. Well they might.
In May 2009, the Office of Management and Budget predicted that in 2010 the United States
will be burdened with a budget deficit of at least $1.75 trillion. This includes neither a
projected $640 billion budget for the Pentagon, nor the costs of waging two remarkably
expensive wars. The sum is so immense that it will take several generations for American
citizens to repay the costs of George W. Bush's imperial adventures -- if they ever can or
will. It represents about 13% of our current gross domestic product (that is, the value of
everything we produce). It is worth noting that the target demanded of
European nations wanting to join the Euro Zone is a deficit no greater than 3% of GDP.
Thus far, President Obama has announced measly cuts of only $8.8 billion in wasteful and
worthless weapons spending, including his cancellation of the F-22 fighter aircraft. The actual
Pentagon budget for next year will, in fact, be larger , not smaller, than the bloated final
budget of the Bush era. Far bolder cuts in our military expenditures will obviously be required
in the very near future if we intend to maintain any semblance of fiscal integrity.
2. We Are Going to Lose the War in Afghanistan and It Will Help Bankrupt Us
One of our major strategic blunders in Afghanistan was not to have recognized that both
Great Britain and the Soviet Union attempted to pacify Afghanistan using the same military
methods as ours and failed disastrously. We seem to have learned nothing from Afghanistan's
modern history -- to the extent that we even know what it is. Between 1849 and 1947, Britain
sent almost annual expeditions against the Pashtun tribes and sub-tribes living in what was
then called the North-West Frontier Territories -- the area along either side of the artificial
border between Afghanistan and Pakistan called the Durand Line. This frontier was created in
1893 by Britain's foreign secretary for India, Sir Mortimer Durand.
Neither Britain nor Pakistan has ever managed to establish effective control over the area.
As the eminent historian Louis Dupree put it in his book Afghanistan (Oxford
University Press, 2002, p. 425): "Pashtun tribes, almost genetically expert at guerrilla
warfare after resisting centuries of all comers and fighting among themselves when no comers
were available, plagued attempts to extend the Pax Britannica into their mountain homeland." An
estimated 41 million Pashtuns live in an undemarcated area along the Durand Line and profess no
loyalties to the central governments of either Pakistan or Afghanistan.
The region known today as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan is
administered directly by Islamabad, which -- just as British imperial officials did -- has
divided the territory
into seven agencies, each with its own "political agent" who wields much the same powers as his
colonial-era predecessor. Then as now, the part of FATA known as Waziristan and the home of
Pashtun tribesmen offered the fiercest resistance.
"If Washington's bureaucrats don't remember the history of the region, the Afghans do. The
British used air power to bomb these same Pashtun villages after World War I and were condemned
for it. When the Soviets used MiGs and the dreaded Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunships to do it
during the 1980s, they were called criminals. For America to use its overwhelming firepower in
the same reckless and indiscriminate manner defies the world's sense of justice and morality
while turning the Afghan people and the Islamic world even further against the United
States."
In 1932, in a series of Guernica-like atrocities, the British used poison gas in Waziristan.
The disarmament convention of the same year sought a ban against the aerial bombardment of
civilians, but Lloyd George, who had been British prime minister during World War I, gloated:
"We insisted on reserving the right to bomb niggers" (Fitzgerald and Gould, p. 65). His view
prevailed.
The U.S. continues to act similarly, but with the new excuse that our killing of
noncombatants is a result of "collateral damage," or human error. Using pilotless drones guided with only minimal
accuracy from computers at military bases in the Arizona and Nevada deserts, among other
places, we have killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of unarmed bystanders in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. The Pakistani and Afghan governments have repeatedly warned that we are alienating
precisely the people we claim to be saving for democracy.
When in May 2009 General Stanley McChrystal was appointed as the commander in Afghanistan,
he ordered new limits on air attacks, including those carried out by the CIA, except when
needed to protect allied troops. Unfortunately, as if to illustrate the incompetence of our
chain of command, only two days after this order, on June 23, 2009, the United States carried
out a drone attack against a funeral procession that
killed at least 80 people , the single deadliest U.S. attack on Pakistani soil so far.
There was virtually no reporting of these developments by the mainstream American press or on
the network television news. (At the time, the media were almost totally preoccupied by the
sexual adventures of the governor of South Carolina and the death of pop star Michael
Jackson.)
Our military operations in both Pakistan and Afghanistan have long been plagued by
inadequate and inaccurate intelligence about both countries, ideological preconceptions about
which parties we should support and which ones we should oppose, and myopic understandings of
what we could possibly hope to achieve. Fitzgerald and Gould, for example, charge that,
contrary to our own intelligence service's focus on Afghanistan, "Pakistan has always been the
problem." They add:
"Pakistan's army and its Inter-Services Intelligence branch from 1973 on, has played the key
role in funding and directing first the mujahideen [anti-Soviet fighters during the
1980s] and then the Taliban. It is Pakistan's army that controls its nuclear weapons,
constrains the development of democratic institutions, trains Taliban fighters in suicide
attacks and orders them to fight American and NATO soldiers protecting the Afghan government."
(p. 322-324)
The Pakistani army and its intelligence arm are staffed, in part, by devout Muslims who
fostered the Taliban in Afghanistan to meet the needs of their own agenda, though not
necessarily to advance an Islamic jihad . Their purposes have always included: keeping
Afghanistan free of Russian or Indian influence, providing a training and recruiting ground for
mujahideen guerrillas to be used in places like Kashmir (fought over by both Pakistan
and India), containing Islamic radicalism in Afghanistan (and so keeping it out of Pakistan),
and extorting huge amounts of money from Saudi Arabia, the Persian Gulf emirates, and the
United States to pay and train "freedom fighters" throughout the Islamic world. Pakistan's
consistent policy has been to support the clandestine policies of the Inter-Services
Intelligence and thwart the influence of its major enemy and competitor, India.
Colonel Douglas MacGregor, U.S. Army (retired), an adviser to the Center for Defense
Information in Washington, summarizes our
hopeless project in South Asia this way: "Nothing we do will compel 125 million Muslims in
Pakistan to make common cause with a United States in league with the two states that are
unambiguously anti-Muslim: Israel and India."
Obama's mid-2009 "surge" of troops into southern Afghanistan and particularly into Helmand
Province, a Taliban stronghold, is fast becoming darkly reminiscent of General William
Westmoreland's continuous requests in Vietnam for more troops and his promises that if we would
ratchet up the violence just a little more and tolerate a few more casualties, we would
certainly break the will of the Vietnamese insurgents. This was a total misreading of the
nature of the conflict in Vietnam, just as it is in Afghanistan today.
Twenty years after the forces of the Red Army withdrew from Afghanistan in disgrace, the
last Russian general to command them, Gen. Boris Gromov, issued his own prediction:
Disaster, he insisted, will come to the thousands of new forces Obama is sending there, just as
it did to the Soviet Union's, which lost some 15,000 soldiers in its own Afghan war. We should
recognize that we are wasting time, lives, and resources in an area where we have never
understood the political dynamics and continue to make the wrong choices.
3. We Need to End the Secret Shame of Our Empire of Bases
In March, New York Times op-ed columnist Bob Herbert noted , "Rape and other forms of
sexual assault against women is the great shame of the U.S. armed forces, and there is no
evidence that this ghastly problem, kept out of sight as much as possible, is diminishing." He
continued:
"New data released by the Pentagon showed an almost 9 percent increase in the number of
sexual assaults -- 2,923 -- and a 25 percent increase in such assaults reported by women
serving in Iraq and Afghanistan [over the past year]. Try to imagine how bizarre it is that
women in American uniforms who are enduring all the stresses related to serving in a combat
zone have to also worry about defending themselves against rapists wearing the same uniform and
lining up in formation right beside them."
The problem is exacerbated by having our troops garrisoned in overseas bases located
cheek-by-jowl next to civilian populations and often preying on them like foreign conquerors.
For example, sexual violence against women and girls by American GIs has been out of control in
Okinawa, Japan's poorest prefecture, ever since it was permanently occupied by our soldiers,
Marines, and airmen some 64 years ago.
That island was the scene of the largest anti-American demonstrations since the end of World
War II after the 1995 kidnapping, rape, and attempted murder of a 12-year-old schoolgirl by two
Marines and a sailor. The problem of rape has been ubiquitous around all of our bases on every
continent and has probably contributed as much to our being loathed abroad as the policies of
the Bush administration or our economic exploitation of poverty-stricken countries whose raw
materials we covet.
The military itself has done next to nothing to protect its own female soldiers or to defend
the rights of innocent bystanders forced to live next to our often racially biased and
predatory troops. "The military's record of prosecuting rapists is not just lousy, it's
atrocious," writes Herbert. In territories occupied by American military forces, the high
command and the State Department make strenuous efforts to enact so-called "Status of Forces
Agreements" (SOFAs) that will prevent host governments from gaining
jurisdiction over our troops who commit crimes overseas. The SOFAs also make it easier for
our military to spirit culprits out of a country before they can be apprehended by local
authorities.
This issue was well illustrated by the case of an Australian teacher, a long-time resident
of Japan, who in April 2002 was raped by a sailor from the aircraft carrier USS Kitty
Hawk , then based at the big naval base at Yokosuka. She identified her assailant and
reported him to both Japanese and U.S. authorities. Instead of his being arrested and
effectively prosecuted, the victim herself was harassed and humiliated by the local Japanese
police. Meanwhile, the U.S. discharged the suspect from the Navy but allowed him to escape
Japanese law by returning him to the U.S., where he lives today.
In the course of trying to obtain justice, the Australian teacher discovered that almost
fifty years earlier, in October 1953, the Japanese and American governments signed a secret
"understanding" as part of their SOFA in which Japan agreed to waive its jurisdiction if the
crime was not of "national importance to Japan." The U.S. argued strenuously for this codicil
because it feared that otherwise it would face the likelihood of some 350 servicemen per year
being sent to Japanese jails for sex crimes.
Since that time the U.S. has negotiated similar wording in SOFAs with Canada, Ireland,
Italy, and Denmark. According to the Handbook of the Law of Visiting Forces (2001),
the Japanese practice has become the norm for SOFAs throughout the world, with predictable
results. In Japan, of 3,184 U.S. military personnel who committed crimes between 2001 and 2008,
83% were not prosecuted. In Iraq, we have just signed a SOFA that bears a strong resemblance to
the first postwar one we had with Japan: namely, military personnel and military contractors
accused of off-duty crimes will remain in U.S. custody while Iraqis investigate. This is, of
course, a perfect opportunity to spirit the culprits out of the country before they can be
charged.
Within the military itself, the journalist Dahr Jamail, author of Beyond the Green Zone:
Dispatches from an Unembedded Journalist in Occupied Iraq (Haymarket Books, 2007), speaks
of the "culture of unpunished sexual assaults" and the "shockingly low numbers of courts
martial" for rapes and other forms of sexual attacks. Helen Benedict, author of The Lonely
Soldier: The Private War of Women Serving in Iraq (Beacon Press, 2009), quotes this figure
in a 2009 Pentagon report on military sexual assaults: 90% of the rapes in the military are
never reported at all and, when they are, the consequences for the perpetrator are
negligible.
It is fair to say that the U.S. military has created a worldwide sexual playground for its
personnel and protected them to a large extent from the consequences of their behavior. I
believe a better solution would be to radically reduce the size of our standing army, and bring
the troops home from countries where they do not understand their environments and have been
taught to think of the inhabitants as inferior to themselves.
10 Steps Toward Liquidating the Empire
Dismantling the American empire would, of course, involve many steps. Here are ten key
places to begin:
1. We need to put a halt to the serious environmental damage done by our bases planet-wide.
We also need to stop writing SOFAs that exempt us from any responsibility for cleaning up after
ourselves.
2. Liquidating the empire will end the burden of carrying our empire of bases and so of the
"opportunity costs" that go with them -- the things we might otherwise do with our talents and
resources but can't or won't.
3. As we already know (but often forget), imperialism breeds the use of torture. In the
1960s and 1970s we helped overthrow the elected governments in Brazil and Chile and underwrote
regimes of torture that prefigured our own treatment of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan.
(See, for instance, A.J. Langguth, Hidden Terrors
[Pantheon, 1979], on how the U.S. spread torture methods to Brazil and Uruguay.) Dismantling
the empire would potentially mean a real end to the modern American record of using torture
abroad.
4. We need to cut the ever-lengthening train of camp followers, dependents, civilian
employees of the Department of Defense, and hucksters -- along with their expensive medical
facilities, housing requirements, swimming pools, clubs, golf courses ,
and so forth -- that follow our military enclaves around the world.
5. We need to discredit the myth promoted by the military-industrial complex that our
military establishment is valuable to us in terms of jobs, scientific research, and defense.
These alleged advantages have long been discredited by serious economic
research. Ending empire would make this happen.
6. As a self-respecting democratic nation, we need to stop being the world's largest
exporter of arms and munitions and quit educating Third World militaries in the techniques of
torture, military coups, and service as proxies for our imperialism. A prime candidate for
immediate closure is the so-called School of the Americas, the U.S. Army's infamous military
academy at Fort Benning, Georgia, for Latin American military officers. (See Chalmers Johnson,
The
Sorrows of Empire [Metropolitan Books, 2004], pp. 136-40.)
7. Given the growing constraints on the federal budget, we should abolish the Reserve
Officers' Training Corps and other long-standing programs that promote
militarism in our schools.
8. We need to restore discipline and accountability in our armed forces by radically scaling
back our reliance on civilian contractors, private military companies, and agents working for
the military outside the chain of command and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (See Jeremy
Scahill, Blackwater:The Rise of the
World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army [Nation Books, 2007]). Ending empire would make this
possible.
9. We need to reduce, not increase, the size of our standing army and deal much more
effectively with the wounds our soldiers receive and combat stress they undergo.
10. To repeat the main message of this essay, we must give up our inappropriate reliance on
military force as the chief means of attempting to achieve foreign policy objectives.
Unfortunately, few empires of the past voluntarily gave up their dominions in order to
remain independent, self-governing polities. The two most important recent examples are the
British and Soviet empires. If we do not learn from their examples, our decline and fall is
foreordained.
"2. Liquidating the empire will end the burden of carrying our empire of bases and so of
the "opportunity costs" that go with them"
Never forget, such "liquidation" will destroy the economy.
Harry Truman & Company invented the GI Bill of Rights to keep millions of returning
WWII veterans out of the bad labor market following the war. It was a delaying tactic, no
more.
Within a few years, to everyone's shock, the economy began to uptick. New factories were
built, and the interstate highways created a plethora of opportunity. For a while.
Those days are gone. The plethora of opportunities is now in Mexico, China, South Korea by
any rational yardstick the USA is an employment desert for young people. It's been heading
that way since the oil shocks of the 1970s allowed the plutocrats to shed middle class jobs
for four-fifths of the people on the wrong side of the bell curve.
Bringing armies home to debt and penury? By all means, assuming there's a Leon Trotsky or
an Adolf Hitler in the woodpile. At least they know how to play a situation like that.
"... These massive concentrations of American military power outside the United States are not needed for our defense. They are, if anything, a prime contributor to our numerous conflicts with other countries. They are also unimaginably expensive. According to Anita Dancs, an analyst for the website Foreign Policy in Focus, the United States spends approximately $250 billion each year maintaining its global military presence. The sole purpose of this is to give us hegemony -- that is, control or dominance -- over as many nations on the planet as possible. ..."
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However ambitious President Barack Obama's domestic plans, one unacknowledged issue has the
potential to destroy any reform efforts he might launch. Think of it as the 800-pound gorilla
in the American living room: our longstanding reliance on imperialism and militarism in our
relations with other countries and the vast, potentially ruinous global empire of bases that
goes with it. The failure to begin to deal with our bloated military establishment and the
profligate use of it in missions for which it is hopelessly inappropriate will, sooner rather
than later, condemn the United States to a devastating trio of consequences: imperial
overstretch, perpetual war, and insolvency, leading to a likely collapse similar to that of the
former Soviet Union.
According to the 2008 official Pentagon inventory of our military bases around the world,
our empire consists
of 865 facilities in more than 40 countries and overseas U.S. territories. We deploy over
190,000 troops in 46 countries and territories. In just one such country, Japan, at the end of
March 2008, we still had 99,295 people connected to U.S. military forces living and working
there -- 49,364 members of our armed services, 45,753 dependent family members, and 4,178
civilian employees. Some 13,975 of these were crowded into the small island of Okinawa, the
largest concentration of foreign troops anywhere in Japan.
These massive concentrations of American military power outside the United States are
not needed for our defense. They are, if anything, a prime contributor to our numerous
conflicts with other countries. They are also unimaginably expensive. According to Anita Dancs,
an analyst for the website Foreign Policy in Focus, the United States spends approximately $250 billion each year maintaining its
global military presence. The sole purpose of this is to give us hegemony -- that is, control
or dominance -- over as many nations on the planet as possible.
We are like the British at the end of World War II: desperately trying to shore up an empire
that we never needed and can no longer afford, using methods that often resemble those of
failed empires of the past -- including the Axis powers of World War II and the former Soviet
Union. There is an important lesson for us in the British decision, starting in 1945, to
liquidate their empire relatively voluntarily, rather than being forced to do so by defeat in
war, as were Japan and Germany, or by debilitating colonial conflicts, as were the French and
Dutch. We should follow the British example. (Alas, they are currently backsliding and
following our example by assisting us in the war in Afghanistan.)
Here are three basic reasons why we must liquidate our empire or else watch it liquidate
us.
1. We Can No Longer Afford Our Postwar Expansionism
Shortly after his election as president, Barack Obama, in a speech announcing several
members of his new cabinet,
stated as fact that "[w]e have to maintain the strongest military on the planet." A few
weeks later, on March 12, 2009, in a speech at the National Defense University in Washington
D.C., the president again
insisted , "Now make no mistake, this nation will maintain our military dominance. We will
have the strongest armed forces in the history of the world." And in a commencement address to
the cadets of the U.S. Naval Academy on May 22nd, Obama stressed that "[w]e will maintain
America's military dominance and keep you the finest fighting force the world has ever
seen."
What he failed to note is that the United States no longer has the capability to remain a
global hegemon, and to pretend otherwise is to invite disaster.
According to a growing consensus of economists and political scientists around the world, it
is impossible for the United States to continue in that role while emerging into full view as a
crippled economic power. No such configuration has ever persisted in the history of
imperialism. The University of Chicago's Robert Pape, author of the important study Dying to Win:
The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (Random House, 2005), typically writes :
"America is in unprecedented decline. The self-inflicted wounds of the Iraq war, growing
government debt, increasingly negative current-account balances and other internal economic
weaknesses have cost the United States real power in today's world of rapidly spreading
knowledge and technology. If present trends continue, we will look back on the Bush years as
the death knell of American hegemony."
There is something absurd, even Kafkaesque, about our military empire. Jay Barr, a
bankruptcy attorney, makes this point using an
insightful analogy:
"Whether liquidating or reorganizing, a debtor who desires bankruptcy protection must
provide a list of expenses, which, if considered reasonable, are offset against income to show
that only limited funds are available to repay the bankrupted creditors. Now imagine a person
filing for bankruptcy claiming that he could not repay his debts because he had the
astronomical expense of maintaining at least 737 facilities overseas that provide exactly zero
return on the significant investment required to sustain them He could not qualify for
liquidation without turning over many of his assets for the benefit of creditors, including the
valuable foreign real estate on which he placed his bases."
In other words, the United States is not seriously contemplating its own bankruptcy. It is
instead ignoring the meaning of its precipitate economic decline and flirting with
insolvency.
Nick Turse, author of The Complex: How the
Military Invades Our Everyday Lives (Metropolitan Books, 2008), calculates that we could clear $2.6 billion if we
would sell our base assets at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean and earn another $2.2 billion if
we did the same with Guantánamo Bay in Cuba. These are only two of our over 800
overblown military enclaves.
Our unwillingness to retrench, no less liquidate, represents a striking historical failure
of the imagination. In his first official visit to China since becoming Treasury Secretary,
Timothy Geithner assured an audience of students at Beijing University, "Chinese assets
[invested in the United States] are very safe." According to
press reports , the students responded with loud laughter. Well they might.
In May 2009, the Office of Management and Budget predicted that in 2010 the United States
will be burdened with a budget deficit of at least $1.75 trillion. This includes neither a
projected $640 billion budget for the Pentagon, nor the costs of waging two remarkably
expensive wars. The sum is so immense that it will take several generations for American
citizens to repay the costs of George W. Bush's imperial adventures -- if they ever can or
will. It represents about 13% of our current gross domestic product (that is, the value of
everything we produce). It is worth noting that the target demanded of
European nations wanting to join the Euro Zone is a deficit no greater than 3% of GDP.
Thus far, President Obama has announced measly cuts of only $8.8 billion in wasteful and
worthless weapons spending, including his cancellation of the F-22 fighter aircraft. The actual
Pentagon budget for next year will, in fact, be larger , not smaller, than the bloated final
budget of the Bush era. Far bolder cuts in our military expenditures will obviously be required
in the very near future if we intend to maintain any semblance of fiscal integrity.
2. We Are Going to Lose the War in Afghanistan and It Will Help Bankrupt Us
One of our major strategic blunders in Afghanistan was not to have recognized that both
Great Britain and the Soviet Union attempted to pacify Afghanistan using the same military
methods as ours and failed disastrously. We seem to have learned nothing from Afghanistan's
modern history -- to the extent that we even know what it is. Between 1849 and 1947, Britain
sent almost annual expeditions against the Pashtun tribes and sub-tribes living in what was
then called the North-West Frontier Territories -- the area along either side of the artificial
border between Afghanistan and Pakistan called the Durand Line. This frontier was created in
1893 by Britain's foreign secretary for India, Sir Mortimer Durand.
Neither Britain nor Pakistan has ever managed to establish effective control over the area.
As the eminent historian Louis Dupree put it in his book Afghanistan (Oxford
University Press, 2002, p. 425): "Pashtun tribes, almost genetically expert at guerrilla
warfare after resisting centuries of all comers and fighting among themselves when no comers
were available, plagued attempts to extend the Pax Britannica into their mountain homeland." An
estimated 41 million Pashtuns live in an undemarcated area along the Durand Line and profess no
loyalties to the central governments of either Pakistan or Afghanistan.
The region known today as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan is
administered directly by Islamabad, which -- just as British imperial officials did -- has
divided the territory
into seven agencies, each with its own "political agent" who wields much the same powers as his
colonial-era predecessor. Then as now, the part of FATA known as Waziristan and the home of
Pashtun tribesmen offered the fiercest resistance.
"If Washington's bureaucrats don't remember the history of the region, the Afghans do. The
British used air power to bomb these same Pashtun villages after World War I and were condemned
for it. When the Soviets used MiGs and the dreaded Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunships to do it
during the 1980s, they were called criminals. For America to use its overwhelming firepower in
the same reckless and indiscriminate manner defies the world's sense of justice and morality
while turning the Afghan people and the Islamic world even further against the United
States."
In 1932, in a series of Guernica-like atrocities, the British used poison gas in Waziristan.
The disarmament convention of the same year sought a ban against the aerial bombardment of
civilians, but Lloyd George, who had been British prime minister during World War I, gloated:
"We insisted on reserving the right to bomb niggers" (Fitzgerald and Gould, p. 65). His view
prevailed.
The U.S. continues to act similarly, but with the new excuse that our killing of
noncombatants is a result of "collateral damage," or human error. Using pilotless drones guided with only minimal
accuracy from computers at military bases in the Arizona and Nevada deserts, among other
places, we have killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of unarmed bystanders in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. The Pakistani and Afghan governments have repeatedly warned that we are alienating
precisely the people we claim to be saving for democracy.
When in May 2009 General Stanley McChrystal was appointed as the commander in Afghanistan,
he ordered new limits on air attacks, including those carried out by the CIA, except when
needed to protect allied troops. Unfortunately, as if to illustrate the incompetence of our
chain of command, only two days after this order, on June 23, 2009, the United States carried
out a drone attack against a funeral procession that
killed at least 80 people , the single deadliest U.S. attack on Pakistani soil so far.
There was virtually no reporting of these developments by the mainstream American press or on
the network television news. (At the time, the media were almost totally preoccupied by the
sexual adventures of the governor of South Carolina and the death of pop star Michael
Jackson.)
Our military operations in both Pakistan and Afghanistan have long been plagued by
inadequate and inaccurate intelligence about both countries, ideological preconceptions about
which parties we should support and which ones we should oppose, and myopic understandings of
what we could possibly hope to achieve. Fitzgerald and Gould, for example, charge that,
contrary to our own intelligence service's focus on Afghanistan, "Pakistan has always been the
problem." They add:
"Pakistan's army and its Inter-Services Intelligence branch from 1973 on, has played the key
role in funding and directing first the mujahideen [anti-Soviet fighters during the
1980s] and then the Taliban. It is Pakistan's army that controls its nuclear weapons,
constrains the development of democratic institutions, trains Taliban fighters in suicide
attacks and orders them to fight American and NATO soldiers protecting the Afghan government."
(p. 322-324)
The Pakistani army and its intelligence arm are staffed, in part, by devout Muslims who
fostered the Taliban in Afghanistan to meet the needs of their own agenda, though not
necessarily to advance an Islamic jihad . Their purposes have always included: keeping
Afghanistan free of Russian or Indian influence, providing a training and recruiting ground for
mujahideen guerrillas to be used in places like Kashmir (fought over by both Pakistan
and India), containing Islamic radicalism in Afghanistan (and so keeping it out of Pakistan),
and extorting huge amounts of money from Saudi Arabia, the Persian Gulf emirates, and the
United States to pay and train "freedom fighters" throughout the Islamic world. Pakistan's
consistent policy has been to support the clandestine policies of the Inter-Services
Intelligence and thwart the influence of its major enemy and competitor, India.
Colonel Douglas MacGregor, U.S. Army (retired), an adviser to the Center for Defense
Information in Washington, summarizes our
hopeless project in South Asia this way: "Nothing we do will compel 125 million Muslims in
Pakistan to make common cause with a United States in league with the two states that are
unambiguously anti-Muslim: Israel and India."
Obama's mid-2009 "surge" of troops into southern Afghanistan and particularly into Helmand
Province, a Taliban stronghold, is fast becoming darkly reminiscent of General William
Westmoreland's continuous requests in Vietnam for more troops and his promises that if we would
ratchet up the violence just a little more and tolerate a few more casualties, we would
certainly break the will of the Vietnamese insurgents. This was a total misreading of the
nature of the conflict in Vietnam, just as it is in Afghanistan today.
Twenty years after the forces of the Red Army withdrew from Afghanistan in disgrace, the
last Russian general to command them, Gen. Boris Gromov, issued his own prediction:
Disaster, he insisted, will come to the thousands of new forces Obama is sending there, just as
it did to the Soviet Union's, which lost some 15,000 soldiers in its own Afghan war. We should
recognize that we are wasting time, lives, and resources in an area where we have never
understood the political dynamics and continue to make the wrong choices.
3. We Need to End the Secret Shame of Our Empire of Bases
In March, New York Times op-ed columnist Bob Herbert noted , "Rape and other forms of
sexual assault against women is the great shame of the U.S. armed forces, and there is no
evidence that this ghastly problem, kept out of sight as much as possible, is diminishing." He
continued:
"New data released by the Pentagon showed an almost 9 percent increase in the number of
sexual assaults -- 2,923 -- and a 25 percent increase in such assaults reported by women
serving in Iraq and Afghanistan [over the past year]. Try to imagine how bizarre it is that
women in American uniforms who are enduring all the stresses related to serving in a combat
zone have to also worry about defending themselves against rapists wearing the same uniform and
lining up in formation right beside them."
The problem is exacerbated by having our troops garrisoned in overseas bases located
cheek-by-jowl next to civilian populations and often preying on them like foreign conquerors.
For example, sexual violence against women and girls by American GIs has been out of control in
Okinawa, Japan's poorest prefecture, ever since it was permanently occupied by our soldiers,
Marines, and airmen some 64 years ago.
That island was the scene of the largest anti-American demonstrations since the end of World
War II after the 1995 kidnapping, rape, and attempted murder of a 12-year-old schoolgirl by two
Marines and a sailor. The problem of rape has been ubiquitous around all of our bases on every
continent and has probably contributed as much to our being loathed abroad as the policies of
the Bush administration or our economic exploitation of poverty-stricken countries whose raw
materials we covet.
The military itself has done next to nothing to protect its own female soldiers or to defend
the rights of innocent bystanders forced to live next to our often racially biased and
predatory troops. "The military's record of prosecuting rapists is not just lousy, it's
atrocious," writes Herbert. In territories occupied by American military forces, the high
command and the State Department make strenuous efforts to enact so-called "Status of Forces
Agreements" (SOFAs) that will prevent host governments from gaining
jurisdiction over our troops who commit crimes overseas. The SOFAs also make it easier for
our military to spirit culprits out of a country before they can be apprehended by local
authorities.
This issue was well illustrated by the case of an Australian teacher, a long-time resident
of Japan, who in April 2002 was raped by a sailor from the aircraft carrier USS Kitty
Hawk , then based at the big naval base at Yokosuka. She identified her assailant and
reported him to both Japanese and U.S. authorities. Instead of his being arrested and
effectively prosecuted, the victim herself was harassed and humiliated by the local Japanese
police. Meanwhile, the U.S. discharged the suspect from the Navy but allowed him to escape
Japanese law by returning him to the U.S., where he lives today.
In the course of trying to obtain justice, the Australian teacher discovered that almost
fifty years earlier, in October 1953, the Japanese and American governments signed a secret
"understanding" as part of their SOFA in which Japan agreed to waive its jurisdiction if the
crime was not of "national importance to Japan." The U.S. argued strenuously for this codicil
because it feared that otherwise it would face the likelihood of some 350 servicemen per year
being sent to Japanese jails for sex crimes.
Since that time the U.S. has negotiated similar wording in SOFAs with Canada, Ireland,
Italy, and Denmark. According to the Handbook of the Law of Visiting Forces (2001),
the Japanese practice has become the norm for SOFAs throughout the world, with predictable
results. In Japan, of 3,184 U.S. military personnel who committed crimes between 2001 and 2008,
83% were not prosecuted. In Iraq, we have just signed a SOFA that bears a strong resemblance to
the first postwar one we had with Japan: namely, military personnel and military contractors
accused of off-duty crimes will remain in U.S. custody while Iraqis investigate. This is, of
course, a perfect opportunity to spirit the culprits out of the country before they can be
charged.
Within the military itself, the journalist Dahr Jamail, author of Beyond the Green Zone:
Dispatches from an Unembedded Journalist in Occupied Iraq (Haymarket Books, 2007), speaks
of the "culture of unpunished sexual assaults" and the "shockingly low numbers of courts
martial" for rapes and other forms of sexual attacks. Helen Benedict, author of The Lonely
Soldier: The Private War of Women Serving in Iraq (Beacon Press, 2009), quotes this figure
in a 2009 Pentagon report on military sexual assaults: 90% of the rapes in the military are
never reported at all and, when they are, the consequences for the perpetrator are
negligible.
It is fair to say that the U.S. military has created a worldwide sexual playground for its
personnel and protected them to a large extent from the consequences of their behavior. I
believe a better solution would be to radically reduce the size of our standing army, and bring
the troops home from countries where they do not understand their environments and have been
taught to think of the inhabitants as inferior to themselves.
10 Steps Toward Liquidating the Empire
Dismantling the American empire would, of course, involve many steps. Here are ten key
places to begin:
1. We need to put a halt to the serious environmental damage done by our bases planet-wide.
We also need to stop writing SOFAs that exempt us from any responsibility for cleaning up after
ourselves.
2. Liquidating the empire will end the burden of carrying our empire of bases and so of the
"opportunity costs" that go with them -- the things we might otherwise do with our talents and
resources but can't or won't.
3. As we already know (but often forget), imperialism breeds the use of torture. In the
1960s and 1970s we helped overthrow the elected governments in Brazil and Chile and underwrote
regimes of torture that prefigured our own treatment of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan.
(See, for instance, A.J. Langguth, Hidden Terrors
[Pantheon, 1979], on how the U.S. spread torture methods to Brazil and Uruguay.) Dismantling
the empire would potentially mean a real end to the modern American record of using torture
abroad.
4. We need to cut the ever-lengthening train of camp followers, dependents, civilian
employees of the Department of Defense, and hucksters -- along with their expensive medical
facilities, housing requirements, swimming pools, clubs, golf courses ,
and so forth -- that follow our military enclaves around the world.
5. We need to discredit the myth promoted by the military-industrial complex that our
military establishment is valuable to us in terms of jobs, scientific research, and defense.
These alleged advantages have long been discredited by serious economic
research. Ending empire would make this happen.
6. As a self-respecting democratic nation, we need to stop being the world's largest
exporter of arms and munitions and quit educating Third World militaries in the techniques of
torture, military coups, and service as proxies for our imperialism. A prime candidate for
immediate closure is the so-called School of the Americas, the U.S. Army's infamous military
academy at Fort Benning, Georgia, for Latin American military officers. (See Chalmers Johnson,
The
Sorrows of Empire [Metropolitan Books, 2004], pp. 136-40.)
7. Given the growing constraints on the federal budget, we should abolish the Reserve
Officers' Training Corps and other long-standing programs that promote
militarism in our schools.
8. We need to restore discipline and accountability in our armed forces by radically scaling
back our reliance on civilian contractors, private military companies, and agents working for
the military outside the chain of command and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (See Jeremy
Scahill, Blackwater:The Rise of the
World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army [Nation Books, 2007]). Ending empire would make this
possible.
9. We need to reduce, not increase, the size of our standing army and deal much more
effectively with the wounds our soldiers receive and combat stress they undergo.
10. To repeat the main message of this essay, we must give up our inappropriate reliance on
military force as the chief means of attempting to achieve foreign policy objectives.
Unfortunately, few empires of the past voluntarily gave up their dominions in order to
remain independent, self-governing polities. The two most important recent examples are the
British and Soviet empires. If we do not learn from their examples, our decline and fall is
foreordained.
"2. Liquidating the empire will end the burden of carrying our empire of bases and so of
the "opportunity costs" that go with them"
Never forget, such "liquidation" will destroy the economy.
Harry Truman & Company invented the GI Bill of Rights to keep millions of returning
WWII veterans out of the bad labor market following the war. It was a delaying tactic, no
more.
Within a few years, to everyone's shock, the economy began to uptick. New factories were
built, and the interstate highways created a plethora of opportunity. For a while.
Those days are gone. The plethora of opportunities is now in Mexico, China, South Korea by
any rational yardstick the USA is an employment desert for young people. It's been heading
that way since the oil shocks of the 1970s allowed the plutocrats to shed middle class jobs
for four-fifths of the people on the wrong side of the bell curve.
Bringing armies home to debt and penury? By all means, assuming there's a Leon Trotsky or
an Adolf Hitler in the woodpile. At least they know how to play a situation like that.
It's been almost eight years since Chalmers Johnson died. He was the author of, among other
works, Blowback: The Costs and
Consequences of American Empire and Dismantling the
Empire . He was also a TomDispatchstalwart
and a friend . As I watch the strange destructive dance of Donald Trump and his cohorts
, I still regularly find myself wondering: What would Chal think? His acerbic wit and, as a
former consultant to the CIA, his deep sense of how the national security state worked provided
me with a late education. With no access to my Ouija board, however, the best I can do when it
comes to answering such questions is repost his classic
final piece for this site on the necessity of dismantling the American empire before it
dismantles us. He wrote it in July 2009, convinced that we had long passed from a republic to
an empire and were on the downward slide, helped along by what he called a " military
Keynesianism " run amok. He saw the Pentagon and our empire of
bases abroad as a kind of Ponzi scheme that would, someday, help bankrupt this country.
How fascinated he would have been by the first candidate to ride an
escalator into a presidential contest on a
singular message of American decline. ("Make American great again !") And how much
more so by the world that candidate is creating as president, intent as he seems to be, in his
own bizarre fashion, on dismantling
the
system of global control the U.S. has built since 1945. At the same time, he seems prepared
to
finance the U.S. military at levels, which, even for Johnson, would have been eye-popping,
while attempting to
sell American arms around an embattled planet in a way that could prove unique. What a
strange combination of urges Donald Trump represents, as he teeters constantly at the
edge of war ("fire and fury like the world has never seen"),
more war ("never, ever threaten the United States again or you will suffer consequences the
likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before"), and
peace in our time. Amid all the strangeness, don't forget the strangeness of a mainstream
media that has gone bonkers
covering this president as no one has ever been covered in the history of the universe
(something that would undoubtedly have amazed Chal).
Think of what President Trump has launched as the potential imperial misadventure of a
lifetime, while checking out Chal's thoughts from so long ago on a subject that should still be
on all our minds.
"... So Kramer is a good example of how CIA runs the State Department. When a CIA vital interest like impunity comes up, they parachute a mole in to get their criminals off the hook. ..."
Yes indeed, first Britain, and now Russia has pantsed the US too. In a virtuosic dick
move, they exposed a CIA spook who's implicated not only in Secret Agent Browder's war
propaganda ( http://russiahouse.org/current_news.php?language=eng&id_current=1454
) but in CIA crimes against humanity -- specifically, 'legal pretexts for manifestly illegal
acts."
David Kramer, Tufts/Harvard Political Science/Russian studies, **PNAC** , DoS focal point,
then CIA's famous captive NGO **Freedom House** , and a featherbed job at the McCain
Institute for Freedom, Democracy, and Abandoning Thousands of MIAs in Vietnam to Die Slow
Agonizing Deaths in Penal Camps.
Here he is talking to his co-conspirator Robert Otto, "Only idiots like Kerry think we
have common interests in Syria."
Needless to say, Kramer wouldn't know a human right from a bar of soap. He's a
knuckledragger. CIA sent Kramer to DRL when Alfreda Bikowsky got her tit caught in the
crimes-against-humanity wringer for systematic and widespread torture.
The US was five years late reporting to the Committee Against Torture and got a
mind-boggling eight (8) follow-on inquiries for urgent derogations of non-derogable rights.
So Kramer had to think fast and make up some bullshit why simulated live burial, object rape,
death by dryboard suffocation, and penis-slitting is not torture. Kramer is not the brightest
bulb, but that's not a hard job. During the Bush administration all the delegation did was
say, "The US does not Torture," robotically over and over.
So Kramer is a good example of how CIA runs the State Department. When a CIA vital
interest like impunity comes up, they parachute a mole in to get their criminals off the
hook.
"... The Deep State has opposed him at every turn, choosing to favor the policies of the Neocons and their enablers in the Democratic Party. Hence, having no team of his own, he has been saddled with personnel from the ranks of his most virulent enemies at every level. ..."
"... His lack of knowledge and primitive persuasive skills, which might work in big business but not under the microscope of politics, have not won him any converts but only encouraged a vicious escalation of antipathy from his opponents, who, controlling the media from top to bottom, are openly calling him a traitor on no objective grounds, unless trying to do the job of the office, maintain the peace, and explore possible avenues for reducing international tensions is now considered treasonous. The charge of treason is clearly bombastic but with virtually everyone of influence nodding in agreement, it's difficult for the man to retain his credibility before the public. ..."
"... Neocons have seized power and are sacrificing the US for the sake of their imperial designs ..."
"... Private corporations have become global, have acquired many public resources, and are now in control of whole segments of the profit potential in the entire world. This makes them as big as or bigger than the nations states that gave birth to them. America is just a small part of the private corporate wealth generating reach of the private domain. What corporations don't control is left to government. What's wrong with that? ..."
"... The USA has become a transfer mechanism and a transport company. Those in power are transferring massive arrays of public rights, duties, and resources to private corporate opulence. The elite (Pharaoh and his private corporation) have not been more secure, but Americans have reached the extended edge of insecurity. Leadership now consist of two masters: Public elected government 40% and privately owned corporations 60%. ..."
"... Every empire in history, after conquering its future colonies, ruled those colonies with a good degree of acceptance by the colonised population. Now the US claims that it is a global empire, the biggest one in history, but I know of no country which likes to be even man-handled let alone managed by US. ..."
"... Here is the specific threat to CIA impunity behind the US propaganda hysterics. Russia is turning over the rocks where CIA hides its moles in the US government. Russia knows what the perps are up to, so US state secrets don't protect them as they do at home. ..."
"... The CIA focal points that Fletcher Prouty told us about decades ago, they're still infesting the government, dug in deeper than ever. Russia proposes to question them. It's the American public's first look at the secret dotted-line reports CIA uses to control the US government. ..."
"... The US agents Russia singled out for questioning: Browder, Steele, McFaul (CIA war propaganda against Russia,) Jonathan Wiener (Lockerbie fabricator and DoS focal point,) David J. Kramer (ran Russian agents from DoS DRL and CIA's Freedom House), Kyle Parker (CIA mole on Senate staff) Todd Hyman, Schvartsman (CIA's DHS moles.) and Jim Rote, a garden-variety CIA spook rather than an agent, and CIA's transnational organized crime boss Robert Otto. ..."
"... Many millions of patriotic conservative, nationalist, and libertarian people working in "white-collar" jobs voted for Trump (as well as some more lefty white-collar folks who couldn't abide the DNC's rigging the primaries against Sanders and/or her obvious personal corruption, incessant warmongering, and loyalty to very rich folks in the finance/banking and entertainment fields). ..."
Trump
was a complete outsider to politics when he decided to run for the presidency in 2015. He had
no team or political allies. He really didn't have much of a philosophy of governance, a solid
foundation of history and facts, a first rate vocabulary or the debating skills of an 8th
grader. He has consistently failed to win over any Democratic and probably not even a majority
of Republican politicians.
The Deep State has opposed him at every turn, choosing to favor the policies of the
Neocons and their enablers in the Democratic Party. Hence, having no team of his own, he has
been saddled with personnel from the ranks of his most virulent enemies at every
level.
His lack of knowledge and primitive persuasive skills, which might work in big business
but not under the microscope of politics, have not won him any converts but only encouraged a
vicious escalation of antipathy from his opponents, who, controlling the media from top to
bottom, are openly calling him a traitor on no objective grounds, unless trying to do the job
of the office, maintain the peace, and explore possible avenues for reducing international
tensions is now considered treasonous. The charge of treason is clearly bombastic but with
virtually everyone of influence nodding in agreement, it's difficult for the man to retain his
credibility before the public.
Actually, a smidgen south of half the public are the only base of his support. And a very
eclectic base they are, including numerous liberals, progressives, intellectuals and peaceniks,
in addition to conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians, who prefer to deal with the real
world rather than Hillary's deliberate misrepresentation of it.
Will that be enough for him to survive? The way the maniacs are raving in the media, expect
the country to throw a big celebration if he gets "taken out" one way or another tomorrow. The
situation is really dangerous and utterly shameful. Most of the blame goes to Hillary Clinton
and her insurrectionists for not accepting the outcome of our system of ersatz "democracy." Her
husband won with something like 43% of the popular vote in 1992. I'm pretty sure Trump had a
higher number. Cry me a river, Hillary, but stop trying to destroy what you can't have like a
petulant child.
If Trump can't even stick to his own words, how could anybody expect the Russians to
take anything he says seriously?!
I think this is tanken too seriously; the Russians definitely appreciate Trump's courage
in taking a step toward them in an era of such hysteria. Trump is being beaten down by the
propaganda arm of the deep state (the MSM) but his tenacity is paying off. Already poles are
indicating that the majority of people are not taken in by the charade. As with the 2016
election, a sizable portion of the population just ain't buying it.
I dunno whether citing Nancy Pelosi on anything is relevant. Never had courage on anything
during the Dubya Years, and now she's pretty gone, a political career robot with decaying
functions.
You can practically see the cabling coming out of the spine, she's probably having herself
dominated
remotely via TeamViewer by MS-13 members, too.
I agree with your comments. I wish to emphasize one point: Trump was NEVER given a chance.
The establishment HATED him from his candidacy. That hatred has become more pathological by
the day.
It's gone beyond "agreeing"/ "disagreeing" with Trump: this is a sickening assault on U.S
democracy.
The Democratic Party IS guilty of treason. The US establishment – the deep state, if
you like is -- criminally INSANE.
I think there is an element of truth to your views. However, I can't get past the fact
that the head of this Trump hating psychotics are native born white Americans. Yes, they
pander to "minorities" but it's merely a means to their own piggish elite ends. Minorities
are also "useful idiots" .
the people of the US and the people of Russia have the same enemy – the Neocons
– and that makes them de-facto allies
There's definitely something to this statement. I think the Russian people can definitely
commensurate with the "deplorables" as they too have (and to some extent continue to) spend
many decades under Jewish dominated Nomenklatura.
Trump did not do anything different in this meeting with Putin than any other leader, who had
in the past met with the Russian leader. It was not what was done; it was the reaction to
what was presumed to have been done, and wasn't..
The entire Mueller investigation is being conducted, and will continue for all the years
of the Trump Presidency, to be sure, to insure that Trump does not do what he promised to do
during his campaign – cooperate with Putin and get out of the mid-east. It is very
obvious that so far, Trump has shown to have completely reneged on his campaign promises in
this regard (eg. putting military bases in Syria, evacuating ISIS commandos, bombing Syria,
recognizing Jerusalem as the state capital, continuing the war in Afghanistan, arming to the
teeth Saudi Arabia, etc. and some of the actions he has taken were based upon patent and
obvious lies (eg. bombing Syria ..twice).
If one listens carefully to the concerns of Trump in the Putin meeting, it was
predominantly the "security" of Israel vis a vis Iran. It was not the Untied States, but
Israel that was his major concern, and if you listen even more carefully, anyone could have
heard some key words, "Putin is a big fan of BeeBee", which means what? It means that these
mid-eastern wars are never, never. never going to end.
All this noise coming from the right and left is only that .noise. Because really nothing
under the sun has changed.
the lawfully elected President is being openly delegitimized and that, in turn,
delegitimizes the electoral process which brought him to power and, of course, it also
excoriates the "deplorables" who dared vote for him: the majority of the American people.
Neocons have seized power and are sacrificing the US for the sake of their imperial
designs,
that is simply not going to happen, and the Russians understand that.
transition from ::to
From. one nation ::to-1-many colonies, protectorates, puppet regimes+comprador-run vassal
states
From peaceful instigators ::to-2. barkers of orders and abusers of the use of force
From policy experts :: to-3. private monopoly powered corporate war monger and
propagandize
From best of its kind :: to-4 a wasted has been; w/o air, sea or land military
superiority
From rational global leader :: to-5 chaotic commanders engaged in simultaneous
conflicts
From a cooperating society :: to-6 a segmented fight raging society of multiple conflict in
fighting society
From a popularist state :: to-7 a Apartheid-Israeli Lobby lead state
From respected word keepers :: to-8 untrustworthy abdicators, abandoning agrmts as it suits
the situation.
From positive leadership :: to-9 infantile, demented, embarrassing, threatening
outburst
But I think the ruling classes intensity is a result of copyright and patent laws and
other devices too numerous to list here have been taken to privatize the public resources
held in trust by the USA into the hands of Pharaoh and his right arm corporations.
Essentially American public assets were entrusted to the USA, and its corporate elected
leaders pieced the public assets up, and sold them to the highest bidder. Now the successful
bidders are trying to get control or ownership over the remaining few assets that still held
in the public [USA} trust, when that is finished America will be wasted and the USA will
become a dictatorship.
Privatization is the first and foremost internal problem; unless it is fixed, nothing will
change.
What do I mean by privatization? Whole segments of the national USA and global economy now
belong to one or a few private enterprises: by contract, by rule of some law, or by ownership
of assets that were taken, or that are controlled by contract, or agreement, the public
domain was reduced and the private domain was increased. Substantial economic power and most
political power h\b transferred into private hands.
Private corporations have become global, have acquired many public resources, and are now
in control of whole segments of the profit potential in the entire world. This makes them as
big as or bigger than the nations states that gave birth to them.
America is just a small part of the private corporate wealth generating reach of the private
domain. What corporations don't control is left to government. What's wrong with that?
Private corporations (PCs) conduct their affairs independent of national laws and politics,
but the political systems and the people that depend on those political systems are highly
dependent, not on government, but on these private corporations.
Privatization means a part of the public domain has been transferred to the private domain
(mostly corporations). Water franchises, health care, pharmaceuticals, hospitals, military
arms production, transportation (airlines and ships used to be public owned or highly
controlled quasi-governmental entities), energy production and distribution, private armies,
public research discoveries converted by rule of law and investment capital into private
properties, global manufacturers of important and necessary software or hardware systems or
components ; energy, water, gas production and distribution, and services such as garbage,
jail management, education, and so on, are public services provided by private
corporations.
Just as British Colonial Aristocrats and their massive corporations were doing in 1776,
today's elites are busy transferring public government and American assets, resources, and
governing powers to their private selves.
The USA has become a transfer mechanism and a transport company. Those in power are
transferring massive arrays of public rights, duties, and resources to private corporate
opulence. The elite (Pharaoh and his private corporation) have not been more secure, but
Americans have reached the extended edge of insecurity. Leadership now consist of two
masters: Public elected government 40% and privately owned corporations 60%.
Pieces of the public government were carved out and given to private corporate enterprises.
Each transfer from public government to private corporate government; provides elites more
power, and the government that represents the public less power.
The problems the Saker presents are all results of the private taking from public.
If the media truly hated Trump as much as they say they did, they would never have put him
front and center during the primary and given him all that publicity. They would have Ron
Pauled him into public oblivion. They had complete control, but instead of ignoring him, they
put him front of center.
And those polls? If they were rigged, the media knew they were rigged, and would have
conducted one in secret. And why would Hillary have a schedule of campaign stops, half of
which were lies. Why was she lying about her campaign schedule? His election was a surprise
to no one, except those they wanted to fool – the public.
The "surprise" of his election was nothing more than part of the grand theatre we see
being played now.
There was collusion all right during this election, but it certainly wasn't with the
Russians.
Every empire in history, after conquering its future colonies, ruled those colonies with a
good degree of acceptance by the colonised population. Now the US claims that it is a global
empire, the biggest one in history, but I know of no country which likes to be even
man-handled let alone managed by US.
Therefore, I fail to understand where this claim to
empire comes from. Yes, the behaviour appears empirial (for example requesting delivery of
some "12 Russians" that some third-rate US horse-face pretend-policeman identified as
perpetrators of a crime which never happened), but every Napoleon in my local asylum for the
insane behaves empirially.
As to Pellosi and the gang who suck the dicks of Netanyahoo and MbS, the real mass
murderers, like little bunny rabbits suck bottles of milk, their words on Putin are words of
frustration due to the fact that Putin will never offer his member to be similarly
sucked.
Let me summise it simply: what an amazing fuck up US is under its Jewish ownership.
Here is the specific threat to CIA impunity behind the US propaganda hysterics. Russia is
turning over the rocks where CIA hides its moles in the US government. Russia knows what the
perps are up to, so US state secrets don't protect them as they do at home.
The CIA focal points that Fletcher Prouty told us about decades ago, they're still
infesting the government, dug in deeper than ever. Russia proposes to question them. It's the
American public's first look at the secret dotted-line reports CIA uses to control the US
government.
From Meduza: "The list of names also includes Homeland Security Department official Todd
Hyman (who testified in a deposition against Prevezon, a Russian company accused of
laundering proceeds from the fraud uncovered by Sergey Magnitsky), Svetlana Engert (who
supposedly stole criminal case materials from Russia), Alexander Shvartsman (who supposedly
oversaw Browder's stay in the U.S.), Jim Rote (a supposed CIA agent acting as Browder's
"financial manager"), Robert Otto (who supposedly served as deputy director of a U.S.
intelligence agency until January 2017), David Kramer (who recently served as an adviser to
the U.S. State Department), Jonathan Wiener (a long-time aide to John Kerry and an adviser on
national security), and Kyle Parker (a recent U.S. State Department official), according to
Kurennoi."
The US agents Russia singled out for questioning: Browder, Steele, McFaul (CIA war
propaganda against Russia,) Jonathan Wiener (Lockerbie fabricator and DoS focal point,) David
J. Kramer (ran Russian agents from DoS DRL and CIA's Freedom House), Kyle Parker (CIA mole on
Senate staff) Todd Hyman, Schvartsman (CIA's DHS moles.) and Jim Rote, a garden-variety CIA
spook rather than an agent, and CIA's transnational organized crime boss Robert Otto.
Russia is showing us how CIA infiltrates and controls the entire US government.
(1) continuing indefinitely the war in Afghanistan
(2) bombing Syria twice for reasons which he knew or should have known were false.
(3) putting a military base in Syria as an invader
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/u-s-forces-set-up-new-base-in-syria-s-manbij-despite-turkish-threats-1.6073192
something no President dared do in the past.
(4) appointing neo-con war mongers in all key cabinet positions
(5) telling police (on video for all the world to hear) to confiscate guns and "worry about
due process later" (13 states have followed this advice) This statement tramples upon not
only the second amendment, but the fifth and fourteenth as well
(6) saying absolutely nothing about Google, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, censuring all right
wing groups, showing that he doesn't give a hoot about anyone's lst amendment rights,
including his supporters.
(7) recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel (at a cost of thousands injured and dead
Palestinians during Israel's celebration)
(8) sanctioning Russia at least three times since he has been in office; with sanctions more
severe than those imposed by Obama.
(9) having the US military evacuate ISIS commandos in Syria
(10) breaching the agreement with Iran at a time when the only party with continuing contract
obligations was Iran who was abiding by the contract (he certainly was not going to get back
the Obama money,w hich is the only thing he complained about during his campaign)
(11) fully funding planned parenthood (now trying to undo this Congressional action with an
Executive Order which compounds the problem in his attempt to usurp the powers of Congress,
violating Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution)
(12) not building the wall
(13) lying about his gross immorality (keep in mind that if the Senate impeached Clinton for
committing fellatio in the Oval Office with a foolish young girl in her early twenties, Trump
would never have dared to run for office with his background)
(14) lying about the economy (saying there was 4 percent unemployment when all the big
retailers employing hundreds of thousands went out of business on the heels of his
statement)
(15) proposing to reward millions of immigrants who have broken our laws
Yet, his supporters are still on the street with those silly hats reciting their mantra
that he is making America great again.
What he is doing in fact is continuing unjustified wars (military Keynesian economics that
will destroy the US) while simultaneously and quietly taking away our constitutional rights.
Those are his biggest "accomplishments"
I'd just quibble that it's unlikely that the majority of Trump's voters were "blue
collar", if that's what we mean by working class.
Many millions of patriotic conservative, nationalist, and libertarian people working in
"white-collar" jobs voted for Trump (as well as some more lefty white-collar folks who
couldn't abide the DNC's rigging the primaries against Sanders and/or her obvious personal
corruption, incessant warmongering, and loyalty to very rich folks in the finance/banking and
entertainment fields).
Unfortunately, if we're counting manufacturing and assembly jobs as "blue collar" or
"working class", there just aren't enough of those jobs left in the USA for their holders to
constitute a majority even of Trump voters. That was part of Trump's appeal, right, the
endless loss of good-paying jobs actually making things of tangible usefulness and value?
What "we" have is a corrupt US (global) elite. An elite, primed in the 80′s &
let entirely off the leash in '91.
Benevolent despots ? A concept with only the vaguest comprehension.
No – these US/ Globalist elites just KNEW history was on THEIR side. Take the brakes
off, & spin the capitalist coin: heads – class war; tails imperialism. Win -win.
(Can't remember his name – guy who runs Hathaway-something: "there is class war, &
my class is winning". Damn few business men are as worshipped as this bloke) And yes, just
look at the 90′s, the Yeltsin years, the Clinton years looked like it was all working
out.
Well, contradictions will "out". And here we are.
A ruling class descending into sociopathology.
A public unable to fully comprehend the toxic brew bubbling just beneath the surface ( the 6
o'clock news, comfortable, day in day out, pay the damn bills, the kid's teeth need braces
& the car a new exhaust).
I won't mention climate change – few here who believe, let alone give a fuck ?
We are in diabolical trouble but fuck it – instinctively we all know it's a Panglossian
universe .& the devil take the hindmost.
Both the USA and Russia are much less "Christian" than you make out. But you're right, of course, that our enemies seem especially motivated to destroy any
nation with a meaningful vestige of Western (Greco-Roman-Anglo-European) Civilization and/or
Christian mores.
The Democratic Party Voting Bloc is now effectively-demographically majority post-1965
nonwhites+American Blacks .
True enough but they aren't necessarily against the "Deplorables". For example Alexandra
Ocasio-Cortez who recently won a Democratic primary in New York (against heavy odds)
describes herself as a "Democratic Socialist" for affordable single-payer national
healthcare, tuition free education in high schools and universities ,with a downsized MIC
& Deep State and realistic corporate taxation helping pay for it.
And on the Gaza border shooting of Palestinians she recently said, "This is a massacre. I
hope my peers have the moral courage to call it such. No state or entity is absolved of mass
shootings of protesters. There is no justification. Palestinian people deserve basic human
dignity, as anyone else. Democrats can't be silent about this anymore." She opposes the
Likudniks, AIPAC, Netanyahu and wants a two state solution.
Democratic Socialism and Elite Globalist Zionism seem to have a problem living together in
the Democratic Party.
The strains are also visible in the UK where Jeremy Corbyn could also be described as a
Democratic Socialist with much the same platform as Ocasio-Cortez and a good chance of
becoming Prime Minister.
Trump – good & evil. But his base need to take to the streets before he has a
"problem in Dallas" or the dickless wonders in Congress finally get the gumption to impeach
(hard as that's to believe of the Dem-castrartie party .)
The US has been a very succesful country, an amazing empire . In barely a century and a half
expanded enormously thanks to Northern European protestant immigration and to the occupation
of Mexican territories .
In 1945 the USA was on top of the world , it was " the shining city of the hill " , the
only city shining in the hill in fact , it had 50% of the world GDP . while the rest of the
world was in ruins . The decadent Europeans had destroyed themselves in two world wars . .
The Russians had suffered the horrors of the communist revolution and the two world wars . The
Japanese although defeated had destroyed Asia , specially China which also endured a civil
war and a communist revolution .
So , in 1945 the world was in ruins , and the USA was indeed the only "shining city on the
hill " . The USA never suffered the world wars destruction on its own territory , had few casualties in the world wars , and had 50% of the world GDP. Besides the USA inherited
economically and politically the British Empire that England, exhausted by the two world
wars could not maintain .
In the 60`s the USA was still the " shining city on the hill ", Kennedy wanted to do some
changes , I do not know which ones, and he was killed ( by the deep State ? ), the world
was shocked .
In the 70`s Nixon finished the Vietnam war ( a colonial heritage of the French ) it was an
American defeat, and the " shining city in the hill " impeached him ( the deep State does
not accept defeat ) . Europe , the USSR , Japan , China , had recovered from the wars and
wanted to have their shining little villages in the hills too.
Presently the USA has 20% of the GDP , that`s a lot , the USA is a very powerful country ,
probably the most powerful country of the world , but 20% is not 50% . Probably Kennedy and
Nixon realized that this day would come , and Trump sees that this day is arrived . Probably
the american deep State would like to freeze time in 1945 , as well as the french deep State
would like it to freeze history in 1805 in Austerlitz with Napoleon , or the Spanish deep
State would like to freeze history in 1492 when Spain completely expelled the moors from
Spain after seven centuries of fighting and discovered America , with the Catholic Kings
.
The deep States are always sick of imperial nostalgia , they are the war party , they
would like to make war to anyone to threatens its 1945 imperial glorious moment . And the
Kennedys , Nixons and Trumps of this world are the party of peace, they want to adapt to a
changing reality less glorious than the magic orgasmic moments that all empires have had ,
but more constructive, more adapted to an ever changing world .
All the Empires that the earth has seen have passed though this dilemma : party of war vs
party of peace . At the end the parties of peace end up prevailing, but the parties of war
can make a lot of damage both to their own country and to others .
I still think the best explanation of Merkel's immigration policy is her belief that
indeed the Germans are guilty of two world wars and the holocaust.
Therefore 'ein neuer Mensch', a new German, must be created through mass immigration, as a
German commentator explains.
His book should be ready by now.
His prediction is that just the E European countries, Hungary, Poland, etc., will remain
European.
Writing this, one may expect that they will turn politically to Russia, also a catholic white
country.
" The decadent europeans had destroyed themselves in two world wars . . "
The USA destroyed Europe in two world wars.
Do not remember if it was here that I read what Mark Twain said or wrote 'it is easier to
fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'.
About WWI:
Charles Callan Tansill, 'Amerika geht in den Krieg', Stuttgart 1939 (America goes to War,
1938)
FDR's preparations for WWII:
Charles A. Beard, 'American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in
responsibilities', New Haven, 1946
Charles A. Beard, 'President Roosevelt and the coming of the war 1941, A study in appearances
and realities', New Haven, 1948
"Russian leaders provoked popular sentiment in numerous countries to join NATO, no doubt
abetted by their unfavorable experiences under Russian occupation"
You mean USSR occupation, of course.
Perhaps Russia might discuss any number of issues when the US removes it's illegal forces in
Syria, stops supporting the crypto--Nazi coup government in Ukraine, withdraws it's missiles from Poland etc (oh, we'll protect
you from non existent Iranian nuclear weapons) & pulls back it's conventional forces,
stops proving up invasions like the Georgian invasion of Sth Iapetus, stops interfering in
what remains of the democratic processes of the former USSR states, stops supporting
terrorists across the ME, stops interfering in the energy business of its allies in the EU,
stops it's lies & threats against Russian allies such as Iran & stops iys criminal
sanctions on Russia .Well, that scratches the surface, anyway .
3.The US armed forces are only good at three things: wasting immense sums of money,
destroying countries and alienating the rest of the planet.
Alienating the rest of the planet: Wasting immense sums of money: The U.S. War Industry Raked in $5+ Billion Worth of Foreign Military Sales in June
2018
July 27, 2018 / Christian Sorensen /
"The U.S. war industry raked in $5,408,112,575 worth of foreign military sales (FMS)
during June 2018. Notable items included $1.12 billion worth of Lockheed Martin F-16 aircraft
for Bahrain and "
An uncommonly excellent analysis.
High quality comment threads and sites that allow for reactions/debate/introduction of public
discourse are my gold standard. Unz is exceptional and much appreciated. Just because it's unlikely that I might post here often
I would like to suggest Dr. Judith Curry's blog to anyone like me who enjoys going deeper
into subjects than most 'normal' people would ever find time for. It's a climate blog. It's brilliant. Curry is a genuinely exceptional human and scientist.
The comment threads are pure mind candy..
are u ok ? Russia occupying her province of Kaliningrad ? maybe your country is occupying illegally California , Arizona , Nevada , Colorado , Utah
, New Mexico , Oklahoma and Texas ? Get your nato out of Europe , Europe is fed un with your 80.000 yankee occupation troops
.
Even baltics are missing Russians, Baltics` population is going down since they left CCCP
, they are fed up with American warmongers , they do not want to be cannon fodder for the
well paid eccentric American militarists .
Trump won 20% of the Black male electorate. If he can increase that percentage, then the
Democratic coalition becomes black females, post-1965 immigrants, and white New Class
managerial types. He might get blacks to side with him over immigration, which has cut out the support for
lower-skilled wages across the board.
That's kinda over the top. Continental suicide was on the books for the Great Continental War (I don't know how it
comes it is called "World War") as general desire of revanchism, political nastiness,
prussian militarism, yougoslav apsirations, decaying empires and the British desire for a
continental balance of power met head-on with war tool mechanization. The US came online
rather late.
As for "Word War II", it was mainly about two socialist systems facing off, and Japan
irking the US with a bout of late-onset colonialism. Also everyone going crazy with
operations research and even more mechanization. So it should be called "Socialist War I with
Colonialism on the side.".
They should have destroyed Germany after WWI, or come to a just Peace. They did neither,
slightly weakening it and strongly pissing it off.
After the Soviets went out of business, the US neither welcomed it to the brotherhood of
nations, nor destroyed it so it could not be a threat. Letting the looters loose upon it sure
did piss a lot of people off though. Your point is well taken.
First reaction. All I can think of whenever I read another allegation of Russia influence,
control of Trump or anyone else, or of Putin coming to Washington is Israel. Over and over:
these people simply keep ignoring the elephant in the room. I don't care about the Pekinese:
there's an elephant right there! Look at it! Yes, a Russian businessman once gave a Trump
advisor (since dismissed) fifty thousand dollars. Israel partisans were the leading
contributors to both candidates; Sheldon Adelson alone gave Donald Trump thirty five
million dollars. Shall we talk about what we're doing as a consequence; how we're
remorselessly driving Iran to the point where there will be no choice but war -- and at whose
behest we're doing this?
No let's fret and fantasize about 'Russian influence.' Never mind that the body bags won't
be coming back from Latvia, but from Iran.
Second reaction: this one's more optimistic. Yes, the attacks are increasingly hysterical;
but they're also coming from an increasingly narrow base. More and more, people on both the
right and the left just don't buy them anymore: see, for example, the denunciation of
all this nonsense at the impeccably 'progressive' Mondoweiss.
I perceive the remaining anti-Trump partisans as still possessing a grip on the
traditional media outlets. However, more and more, they simply speak for no one but
themselves. In fact, this may account for the note of hysterical exaggeration; underneath it
all is the sneaking suspicion that no one believes them, or is even listening. After all,
look at Trump's poll numbers. The media keeps announcing that 'now he's blown it' -- and his
numbers keep inching up. I like tracking a rolling average of the last ten polls. When I
started the figure was around 38. Now it's moving past 43. Neither 'babygate' nor
'Russiagate' perceptibly affected this at all.
So to sum up, 'Russiagate' isn't the problem, and it's questionable if many actual
Americans even think it is. This remains true whatever the ravings coming out of The
Washington Post, or The New Yorker , or USA Today . All the evidence is
that these organs speak for fewer and fewer people, and fewer and fewer are even
listening.
Basically, I think most Americans don't even care about all this nonsense.
They know that if Trump is awful, the alternatives were even worse, and they know that the
economy's doing well. No one's saying 'if only Hillary coulda won '
The USA came into WWI from the very beginning.
Without buying USA food and weapons on credit GB and France could not have fought at all.
Moreover, the USA was not neutral, the USA allowed the British blockade of Germany.
As to continental suicide, there was no such thing.
GB wanted war.
WWII, how many times must be repeated what Lindbergh already said before Pearl Harbour,
that 'jewry and GB wanted war'.
FDR was brought into politics by Bernard Baruch, who already in 1928 prevented his friend
Churchill from going into business, because 'he saw great things for Churchill in the
future'.
These great things came, Churchill waged an unnecessary war, and destroyed the empire.
Quote: " do you know the evolution of population in the baltic countries after they left the
Soviet Union in 1990 ?"
Yes, the decreases in population can easily be explained primarily by Russians, who used
to live there, having moved back to Russia. Additionally, there might have been small
population flows of Lithuanias to Poland, Latvians to Sweden, and Estonians to Finland, given
the close relationships. Nothing nefarious.
interesting that Russia has been called to defend itself in England. There its Novichok
the instant death substance arguably produced in London by USA controlled labs or taken from
the old USSR when it fell apart.
Putin vs British government case: Putin charged with poisoning an ex Russian spy and his
daughter, unfortunately for the media and the British corporate Zionist both Russians
survived,
Russia has called the British liars to the carpet.. Russia demands an investigation but the
Banksters and their corporations refuse to allow the British Government to open its
"so-called" investigation to Russian questioning.
Keep your eyes focused on Nord II. the one road one belt, Turkey moving in support of
Syria and Yemen against Saudi Arabia, BRICS and concern yourself with the fact that Russia
not only does not own any USA debt, but Russia also has a non federal reserve approved
monetary exchange operation, SCO is growing in strength, China Gold backed bonds are
available for anyone to buy and convert the face value of the bond to gold. These are game
changers.
Stay tuned for more privately owned advertising supported corporate media productions
showing on "FREE THEATER". M 16, (criminal instigating Association) CIA and Mossad employees
are busy writing new propaganda, budget is not a problem, the Russian's will be made to pay
for the articles, movies etc. so everything is free. Enjoy!
Yes indeed, first Britain, and now Russia has pantsed the US too. In a virtuosic dick
move, they exposed a CIA spook who's implicated not only in Secret Agent Browder's war
propaganda ( http://russiahouse.org/current_news.php?language=eng&id_current=1454
) but in CIA crimes against humanity – specifically, 'legal pretexts for manifestly
illegal acts."
David Kramer, Tufts/Harvard Political Science/Russian studies, **PNAC** , DoS focal point,
then CIA's famous captive NGO **Freedom House** , and a featherbed job at the McCain
Institute for Freedom, Democracy, and Abandoning Thousands of MIAs in Vietnam to Die Slow
Agonizing Deaths in Penal Camps.
Here he is talking to his co-conspirator Robert Otto, "Only idiots like Kerry think we
have common interests in Syria."
Needless to say, Kramer wouldn't know a human right from a bar of soap. He's a
knuckledragger. CIA sent Kramer to DRL when Alfreda Bikowsky got her tit caught in the
crimes-against-humanity wringer for systematic and widespread torture. The US was five years
late reporting to the Committee Against Torture and got a mind-boggling eight (8) follow-on
inquiries for urgent derogations of non-derogable rights. So Kramer had to think fast and
make up some bullshit why simulated live burial, object rape, death by dryboard suffocation,
and penis-slitting is not torture. Kramer is not the brightest bulb, but that's not a hard
job. During the Bush administration all the delegation did was say, "The US does not
Torture," robotically over and over.
So Kramer is a good example of how CIA runs the State Department. When a CIA vital
interest like impunity comes up, they parachute a mole in to get their criminals off the
hook.
Really? Why? What's to hard to fully comprehend?
This ain't quantum physics. Not enough time in busy lives to spend some effort on the topic?
Yeah .But enough time for shopping, social media, online entertainment and such.
Etc.
No. Yes, the elites are corrupted.
But, the masses are corrupted too.
THAT is the problem here.
Or, Trump support base is corrupted too. Not as bad/evil/malicious. As weak.
W ..e a k. And weak always get ruled by strong.
What did/do they think? That the same people who can slaughter hundreds of thousands
Iraqis without missing their lunch are just going to give up their power like that? That the
half an hour of voting "effort" will change that game of power?
What are they doing now? How can one expect to challenge that power by sitting at home and waiting for one man to
go against all that?
Bullshit.
I've been told that "Trump base" doesn't do mass demonstrations.
I still don't get why not?
What's so hard to do, WHENEVER Dems/progs pull their numbers on the street, the "Trump base"
does the same? That's reactive. Go active.
Whenever Trump pulls some of his moves which flips the Dems/progs his support base floods the
streets From the little town in Midwest to New York.
What's so hard about that? The same people have no problem going out .watching games being
outdoors..whatever.
Oh, yes, it could get what .dangerous? Really?
What? Fistfights? Shooting? What happened to that "brave" in the "land of ."?
Don't get this post wrong. Not directed at you. It's directed at lazy and weak people who
are out of their depth.
Wouldn't be a problem save what's going to happen when Dems/progs get their person in White
House.
"... I do think the credit for this goes to the Clinton campaign, the "intelligence" agencies, the neoconlib biparty and individuals like McCain, who have gone to McCarthyism lengths since before the GOP primaries ended to prevent Trump from attempting *any* change of the status quo on foreign policy. Granted, the man might be ineffectual no matter what, but we will never know. The US establishment and the retainers of the war profiteering classes have made any negotiations with Russia impossible long before Trump even announced his campaign. ..."
"... it is the unholy alliance of Democrats looking for an excuse for them losing the election and Cold War hawk neocons who have Russia-hate in their DNA (and their stock portfolios)). ..."
"... The embarrassment was the reaction in the MSM showcasing how they are now CIA state run media. They trot out former high ranking CIA officers now employed by them recycling every meme to reinforce that we are the forces goodness and light and anyone strong enough to oppose us is evil. ..."
"Trump has made it politically impossible to pursue that goal in the near term."
I do think the credit for this goes to the Clinton campaign, the "intelligence" agencies,
the neoconlib biparty and individuals like McCain, who have gone to McCarthyism lengths since
before the GOP primaries ended to prevent Trump from attempting *any* change of the status
quo on foreign policy. Granted, the man might be ineffectual no matter what, but we will
never know. The US establishment and the retainers of the war profiteering classes have made
any negotiations with Russia impossible long before Trump even announced his campaign.
We also should not forget to credit the GOP for test-driving the whole "weak on Russia"
playbook during the Obama years.
I agree with b. While Trump may not be savvy enough to calibrate his engagement with Putin in
a way that would allow a proper dialogue with Russia in spite of the political backdrop in
the US, the primary blame for any failure to allow such dialogue rests for those responsible
for creating that political backdrop that makes it so difficult in the first place (hint:
it's not Trump, unless you blame him for winning the election – rather it is the unholy
alliance of Democrats looking for an excuse for them losing the election and Cold War hawk
neocons who have Russia-hate in their DNA (and their stock portfolios)).
That Putin talked up the Iran deal in the press conference makes me wonder what was said in
the one-on-one. Couldn't have pleased the Adelson/Bolton wing.
Additionally there has yet to be any actual evidence presented re significant election
interference. Indictments are accusations, not evidence.
I saw nothing particularly wrong with the press conference. I'm no Trump fan, but he was just
saying he believed Putin rather than the people who are clearly trying to bring his
administration down. Can't really blame him.
The embarrassment was the reaction in the MSM showcasing how they are now CIA state run
media.
They trot out former high ranking CIA officers now employed by them recycling every meme
to reinforce that we are the forces goodness and light and anyone strong enough to oppose us
is evil.
CNN even used Putin's dearly departed Labrador, Konni making her look like Cujo stating
that Putin use her to terrorize Angela Merkel. A U.S. Congressman fumed that the 50,000
children died in Syria because this fiend supported Assad when Syria was about to be
liberated (a number suspiciously close to the true number of Yemeni children we helped to
kill). These are just two random examples in a very long day. It was
a show worthy of the priests of Baal who confronted Elijah.
As flawed as Trump may be, he is merely holding up a mirror to what we have become. Had we
elected a conventional candidate it would just be business as usual with these seething
hatreds buried just below the surface.
No one better suggest that we should tarnish ourselves talking to the likes of a Russian
leader unless we are discussing terms of surrender. We want Yeltsin or maybe Medvedev.
The article is long but very important and is worth a careful read. It shows that the
military/security complex has woven itself so tightly into the American social, economic, and
political fabric as to be untouchable. President Trump is an extremely brave or foolhardy
person to take on this most powerful and pervasive of all US institutions by trying to
normalize US relations with Russia, chosen by the military/security complex as the "enemy" that
justifies its enormous budget and power.
In 1961 President Eisenhower in his last public address to the American people warned us
about the danger to democracy and accountable government presented by the military/industrial
complex.
You can imagine how much stronger the complex is 57 years later after decades of Cold War
with the Soviet Union.
The Russian government, Russian media, and Russian people desperately need to comprehend how
powerful the US military/security complex is and how it is woven into the fabric of America. No
amount of diplomacy by Lavrov and masterful chess playing by Putin can possibly shake the
control over the United States exercised by the military/security complex.
Professor Roelofs has done a good deed for the American people and for the world in
assembling such extensive information documenting the penetration into every aspect of American
life of the military/security complex. It is a delusion that a mere President of the United
States can bring such a powerful, all-pervasive institution to heel and deprive it of its
necessary enemy.
For many people the "military-industrial-complex (MIC)" brings to mind the top twenty
weapons manufacturers. President Dwight Eisenhower, who warned about it in 1961, wanted to call
it the military- industrial-congressional-complex, but decided it was not prudent to do so.
Today it might well be called the military-industrial-congressional-almost-everything-complex.
Most departments and levels of government, businesses, and also many charities, social service,
environmental, and cultural organizations, are deeply embedded with the military.
The weapons industry may be spearheading the military budget and military operations; it is
aided immensely by the cheering or silence of citizens and their representatives. Here we will
provide some likely reasons for that assent. We will use the common typology of three national
sectors: government, business, and nonprofit, with varying amounts of interaction among them.
This does not preclude, though it masks somewhat, the proposition that government is the
executive of the ruling class.
Every kind of business figures in the Department of Defense (DoD) budget. Lockheed is
currently the largest contractor in the weapons business. It connects with the worldwide MIC by
sourcing parts, for example, for the F-35 fighter plane, from many countries. This helps a lot
to market the weapon, despite its low opinion among military experts as well as anti-military
critics. Lockheed also does civilian work, which enhances its aura while it spreads its
values.
Other types of businesses have enormous multi-year contracts -- in the billions. This
despite the constitutional proviso that Congress not appropriate military funds for more than a
two year term. Notable are the construction companies, such as Fluor, KBR, Bechtel, and Hensel
Phelps. These build huge bases, often with high tech surveillance or operational capacity, in
the US and abroad, where they hire locals or commonly, third country nationals to carry out the
work. There are also billion-funded contractors in communications technology, intelligence
analysis, transportation, logistics, food, and clothing. "Contracting out" is our modern
military way; this also spreads its influence far and wide.
Medium, small, and tiny businesses dangle from the "Christmas tree" of the Pentagon,
promoting popular cheering or silence on the military budget. These include special set-asides
for minority-owned and small businesses. A Black-owned small business, KEPA-TCI (construction),
received contracts for $356 million. [Data comes from several sources, available free on the
internet: websites, tax forms, and annual reports of organizations; usaspending.gov (USA) and
governmentcontractswon.com (GCW).] Major corporations of all types serving our services have
been excellently described in Nick Turse's The Complex. Really small and tiny businesses are
drawn into the system: landscapers, dry cleaners, child care centers, and Come- Bye Goose
Control of Maryland.
Among the businesses with large DoD contracts are book publishers: McGraw-Hill, Greenwood,
Scholastic, Pearson, Houghton Mifflin, Harcourt, Elsevier, and others. Rarely have the biases
in this industry, in fiction, nonfiction, and textbook offerings, been examined. Yet the
influences on this small but significant population, the reading public, and the larger
schooled contingent, may help explain the silence of the literate crowd and college
graduates.
Much of what is left of organized industrial labor is in weapons manufacture. Its PACs fund
the few "progressive" candidates in our political system, who tend to be silent about war and
the threat of nuclear annihilation. Unlike other factories, the armaments makers do not
suddenly move overseas, although they do use subcontractors worldwide.
Military spending may be only about 6% of the GDP, yet it has great impact because:
1. it is a growing sector;
2. it is recession-proof;
3. it does not rely on consumer whims;
4. it is the only thing prospering in many areas; and
5. the "multiplier" effect: subcontracting, corporate purchasing, and employee spending
perk up the regional economy.
It is ideally suited to Keynesian remedies, because of its ready destruction and
obsolescence: what isn't consumed in warfare, rusted out, or donated to our friends still needs
to be replaced by the slightly more lethal thing. Many of our science graduates work for the
military directly or its contractee labs concocting these.
The military's unbeatable weapon is jobs, and all members of Congress, and state and local
officials, are aware of this. It is where well-paying jobs are found for mechanics, scientists,
and engineers; even janitorial workers do well in these taxpayer-rich firms. Weaponry is also
important in our manufactured goods exports as our allies are required to have equipment that
meets our specifications. Governments, rebels, terrorists, pirates, and gangsters all fancy our
high tech and low tech lethal devices.
Our military economy also yields a high return on investments. These benefit not only
corporate executives and other rich, but many middle and working class folk, as well as
churches, benevolent, and cultural organizations. The lucrative mutual funds offered by
Vanguard, Fidelity, and others are heavily invested in the weapons manufacturers.
Individual investors may not know what is in their fund's portfolios; the institutions
usually know. A current project of World Beyond War ( https://worldbeyondwar.org/divest ) advocates
divestment of military stocks in the pension funds of state and local government workers:
police, firepersons, teachers, and other civil servants. Researchers are making a
state-by-state analysis of these funds. Among the findings are the extensive military stock
holdings of CALpers, the California Public Employees Retirement System (the sixth largest
pension fund on earth), the California State Teachers Retirement System, the New York State
Teachers Retirement System, the New York City Employees Retirement System, and the New York
State Common Retirement Fund (state and local employees). Amazing! the New York City teachers
were once the proud parents of red diaper babies.
The governmental side of the MIC complex goes far beyond the DoD. In the executive branch,
Departments of State, Homeland Security, Energy, Veterans Affairs, Interior; and CIA, AID, FBI,
NASA, and other agencies; are permeated with military projects and goals. Even the Department
of Agriculture has a joint program with the DoD to "restore" Afghanistan by creating a dairy
cattle industry. No matter that the cattle and their feed must be imported, cattle cannot graze
in the terrain as the native sheep and goats can, there is no adequate transportation or
refrigeration, and the Afghans don't normally drink milk. The native animals provide yogurt,
butter, and wool, and graze on the rugged slopes, but that is all so un-American.
Congress is a firm ally of the military. Campaign contributions from contractor PACs are
generous, and lobbying is extensive. So also are the outlays of financial institutions, which
are heavily invested in the MIC. Congresspeople have significant shares of weapons industry
stocks. To clinch the deal, members of Congress (and also state and local lawmakers) are well
aware of the economic importance of military con- tracts in their states and districts.
Military bases, inside the US as well as worldwide, are an economic hub for communities. The
DoD Base Structure Report for Fy2015 lists more than 4,000 domestic properties. Some are
bombing ranges or re- cruiting stations; perhaps 400 are bases with a major impact on their
localities. The largest of these, Fort Bragg, NC, is a city unto itself, and a cultural
influence as well as economic asset to its region, as so well described by Catherine Lutz in
Homefront. California has about 40 bases ( https://militarybases.com/by - state/), and is home to major
weapons makers as well. Officers generally live off-base, so the real estate, restaurant,
retail, auto repair, hotel and other businesses are prospering. Local civilians find employment
on bases. Closed, unconvertible installations are sometimes tourist attractions, such as the
unlikeliest of all vacation spots, the Hanford Nuclear Reservation.
DoD has direct contracts and grants with state and local governments. These are for various
projects and services, including large amounts to fund the National Guard. The Army Engineers
maintain swimming holes and parks, and police forces get a deal on Bearcats. JROTC programs
nationwide provide funding for public schools, and even more for those that are public school
military academies; six are in Chicago.
National, state and local governments are well covered by the "insecurity blanket;" the
nonprofit sector is not neglected. Nevertheless, it does harbor the very small group of
anti-war organizations, such as Iraq Veterans Against War, Veterans for Peace, World Beyond
War, Peace Action, Union of Concerned Scientists, Center for International Policy, Catholic
Worker, Answer Coalition, and others. Yet unlike the Vietnam War period there is no vocal group
of religious leaders protesting war, and the few students who are politically active are more
concerned with other issues.
Nonprofit organizations and institutions are involved several ways. Some are obviously
partners of the MIC: Boy and Girl Scouts, Red Cross, veterans' charities, military think-tanks
such as RAND and Institute for Defense Analysis, establishment think-tanks like the American
Enterprise Institute, Atlantic Council, and the flagship of US world projection, the Council on
Foreign Relations. There are also many international nongovernmental organizations that assist
the US government in delivering "humanitarian" assistance, sing the praises of the market
economy, or attempt to repair the "collateral" damage inflicted on lands and people, for
example, Mercy Corps, Open Society Institutes, and CARE.
Educational institutions in all sectors are embedded with the military. The military schools
include the service academies, National Defense University, Army War College, Naval War
College, Air Force Institute of Technology, Air University, Defense Acquisition University,
Defense Language Institute, Naval Postgraduate School, Defense Information School, the medical
school, Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, and the notorious School of the
Americas in Fort Benning, GA, now renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security
Cooperation. "In addition, Senior Military Colleges offer a combination of higher education
with military instruction. SMCs include Texas A&M University, Norwich University, The
Virginia Military Institute, The Citadel, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
(Virginia Tech), University of North Georgia and the Mary Baldwin Women's Institute for
Leadership" ( https://www.usa.gov/military-colleges ).
A university doesn't have to be special to be part of the MIC. Most are awash with
contracts, ROTC programs, and/or military officers and contractors on their boards of trustees.
A study of the 100 most militarized universities includes prestigious institutions, as well as
diploma mills that produce employees for military intelligence agencies and contractors (
https://news.vice.com/article/these-are-the-100
- most-militarized-universities-in-america).
Major liberal foundations have long engaged in covert and overt operations to support
imperial projection, described by David Horowitz as the "Sinews of Empire" in his important
1969 Ramparts article. They have been close associates of the Central Intelligence Agency, and
were active in its instigation. The foundation created and supported Council on Foreign
Relations has long been a link among Wall Street, large corporations, academia, the media, and
our foreign and military policymakers.
Less obvious are the military connections of philanthropic, cultural, social service,
environmental, and professional organizations. They are linked through donations; joint
programs; sponsorship of events, exhibits, and concerts; awards (both ways); investments;
boards of directors; top executives; and contracts. The data here covers approximately the last
twenty years, and rounds out the reasons for the astounding support (according to the polls)
that US citizens have conferred on our military, its budget, and its operations.
Military contractor philanthropy was the subject of my previous CP reports, in 2006 and
2016. Every type of nonprofit (as well as public schools and universities) received support
from the major weapons manufacturers; some findings were outstanding. Minority organizations
were extremely well endowed. For many years there was crucial support for the National
Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) from Lockheed; Boeing also funded the
Congressional Black Caucus. The former president and CEO of the NAACP, Bruce Gordon, is now on
the Board of Trustees of Northrop Grumman.
General Electric is the most generous military contractor philanthropist, with direct grants
to organizations and educational institutions, partnerships with both, and matching
contributions made by its thousands of employees. The latter reaches many of the
nongovernmental and educational entities throughout the country.
Major donors to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (listed in its 2016 Annual
Report) include the Defense Intelligence Agency, Cisco Systems, Open Society Foundations, US
Department of Defense, General Electric, North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and Lockheed
Martin. This is an echo of the CEIP's military connections reported in Horace Coon's book of
the 1930s, Money to Burn.
The DoD itself donates surplus property to organizations; among those eligible are Big
Brothers/Big Sisters, Boys and Girls Clubs, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Little League Baseball,
and United Service Organizations. The Denton Program allows non-governmental organizations to
use extra space on U.S. military cargo aircraft to transport humanitarian assistance
materials.
There is a multitude of joint programs and sponsorships. Here is a small sample...
The American Association of University Women's National Tech Savvy Program encourages
girls to enter STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) careers, with sponsorship
from Lockheed, BAE Systems, and Boeing.
Junior Achievement, sponsored by Bechtel, United Technologies, and others, aims to train
children in market-based economics and entrepreneurship.
Wolf Trap Foundation for the Performing Arts is partnered with Northrop Grumman for an
"early childhood STEM 'Learning through the Arts' initiative for pre-K and kindergarten
students."
The Bechtel Foundation has two programs for a "sustainable California" -- an education
program to help "young people develop the knowledge, skills, and character to explore and
understand the world," and an environmental program to promote the "management, stewardship
and conservation for the state's natural resources."
The NAACP ACT-SO is a "yearlong enrichment program designed to recruit, stimulate, and
encourage high academic and cultural achievement among African-American high school
students," with sponsorship from Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman et al. The national
winners receive financial awards from major corporations, college scholarships, internships,
and apprenticeships -- in the military industries.
In recent years the weapons makers have become enthusiastic environmentalists. Lockheed was
a sponsor of the US Chamber of Commerce Foundation Sustainability Forum in 2013. Northrop
Grumman supports Keep America Beautiful, National Public Lands Day, and a partnership with
Conservation International and the Arbor Day Foundation (for forest restoration). United
Technologies is the founding sponsor of the U.S. Green Building Council Center for Green
Schools, and co-creator of the Sustainable Cities Design Academy. Tree Musketeers is a national
youth environmental organization partnered by Northrop Grumman and Boeing.
Awards go both ways: industries give awards to nonprofits, and nonprofits awards to military
industries and people. United Technologies, for its efforts in response to climate change, was
on Climate A list of the Climate Disclosure Project. The Corporate Responsibility Association
gave Lockheed position 8 in 2016 in its 100 Best Corporate Citizens List. Points of Light
included General Electric and Raytheon in its 2014 list of the 50 Most Community-Minded
Companies in America. Harold Koh, the lawyer who as Obama's advisor defended drone strikes and
intervention in Libya, was recently given distinguished visiting professor status by Phi Beta
Kappa. In 2017, the Hispanic Association on Corporate Responsibility recognized 34 Young
Hispanic Corporate Achievers; 3 were executives in the weapons industry. Elizabeth Amato, an
executive at United Technologies, received the YWCA Women Achievers Award.
Despite laborious searching through tax form 990s, it is difficult to discover the specifics
of organizations' investments. Many have substantial ones; in 2006, the American Friends
Service Committee had $3.5 million in revenue from investments. Human Rights Watch reported
$3.5 million investment income on its 2015 tax form 990, and more than $107 million in
endowment funds.
One of the few surveys of nonprofit policies (by Commonfund in 2012) found that only 17% of
foundations used environmental, social, and governance (ESG) criteria in their investments. ESG
seems to have replaced "socially responsible investing (SRI)" in investment terminology, and it
has a somewhat different slant. The most common restriction is the avoidance of companies doing
business in regions with conflict risk; the next relates to climate change and carbon
emissions; employee diversity is also an important consideration. Commonfund's study of
charities, social service and cultural organizations reported that 70% of their sample did not
consider ESG in their investment policies. Although 61% of religious organizations did employ
ESG criteria, only 16% of social service organizations and 3% of cultural organizations
did.
Weapon industries are hardly ever mentioned in these reports. Religious organizations
sometimes still used the SRI investment screens, but the most common were alcohol, gambling,
pornography, and tobacco. The Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility, a resource for
churches, lists almost 30 issues for investment consideration, including executive
compensation, climate change, and opioid crisis, but none concerning weapons or war. The United
Church (UCC) advisory, a pioneer in SRI investment policies, does include a screen: only
companies should be chosen which have less than 10% revenue from alcohol or gambling, 1% from
tobacco, 10% from conventional weapons and 5% from nuclear weapons.
The Art Institute of Chicago states on their website that "[W]ith the fiduciary
responsibility to maximize returns on investment consistent with appropriate levels of risk,
the Art Institute maintains a strong presumption against divesting for social, moral, or
political reasons." Listed as an associate is Honeywell International, and a major benefactor
is the Crown Family (General Dynamics), which recently donated a $2 million endowment for a
Professorship in Painting and Drawing.
Nonprofit institutions (as well as individuals and pension funds of all sectors) have heavy
investments in the funds of financial companies such as State Street, Vanguard, BlackRock,
Fidelity, CREF, and others, which have portfolios rich in military industries ( https://worldbeyondwar.org/wp -
content/uploads/2016/11/indirect.pdf). These include information technology firms, which,
although often regarded as "socially responsible," are among the major DoD contractors.
In recent years foundations and other large nonprofits, such as universities, have favored
investments in hedge funds, real estate, derivatives, and private equity. The Carnegie
Endowment, more "transparent" than most, lists such funds on its 2015 tax form 990 (Schedule D
Part VII). It is unlikely that Lockheed, Boeing, et al, are among the distressed debt bonanzas,
so these institutions may be low on weapons stock. Nevertheless, most of them have firm
connections to the MIC through donations, leadership, and/or contracts.
Close association with the military among nonprofit board members and executives works to
keep the lid on anti-war activities and expression. The Aspen Institute is a think-tank that
has resident experts, and also a policy of convening with activists, such as anti-poverty
community leaders. Its Board of Trustees is chaired by James Crown, who is also a director of
General Dynamics. Among other board members are Madeleine Albright, Condoleezza Rice, Javier
Solana (former Secretary-General of NATO), and former Congresswoman Jane Harman. Harman
"received the Defense Department Medal for Distinguished Service in 1998, the CIA Seal Medal in
2007, and the CIA Director's Award and the National Intelligence Distinguished Public Service
Medal in 2011. She is currently a member of the Director of National Intelligence's Senior
Advisory Group, the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations." Lifetime Aspen
Trustees include Lester Crown and Henry Kissinger.
In recent years, the Carnegie Corporation board of trustees included Condoleezza Rice and
General Lloyd Austin III (Ret.), Commander of CENTCOM, a leader in the 2003 invasion of Iraq,
and also a board member of United Technologies. A former president of Physicians for Peace (not
the similarly named well-known group) is Rear Admiral Harold Bernsen, formerly Commander of the
US Middle East Force and not a physician.
TIAA, the college teachers' retirement fund, had a CEO from 1993-2002, John H. Biggs, who
was at the same time a director of Boeing. TIAA's current board of directors includes an
associate of a major military research firm, MITRE Corporations, and several members of the
Council on Foreign Relations. Its senior executive Vice President, Rahul Merchant, is currently
also a director at two information technology firms that have large military contracts: Juniper
Networks and AASKI.
The American Association of Retired Persons' chief lobbyist from 2002-2007, Chris Hansen,
had previously served in that capacity at Boeing. The current VP of communications at Northrop
Grumman, Lisa Davis, held that position at AARP from 1996-2005.
Board members and CEOs of the major weapons corporations serve on the boards of many
nonprofits. Just to indicate the scope, these include the National Fish and Wildlife
Foundation, Newman's Own Foundation, New York Public Library, Carnegie Hall Society,
Conservation International, Wolf Trap Foundation, WGBH, Boy Scouts, Newport Festival
Foundation, Toys for Tots, STEM organizations, Catalyst, the National Science Center, the US
Institute of Peace, and many foundations and universities.
The DoD promotes the employment of retired military officers as board members or CEOs of
nonprofits, and several organizations and degree programs further this transition. U.S. Air
Force Brigadier General Eden Murrie (Ret.) is now Director of Government Transformation and
Agency Partnerships at the nonprofit Partnership for Public Service. She maintains that
"[F]ormer military leaders have direct leadership experience and bring talent and integrity
that could be applied in a nonprofit organization. . ."
(seniormilitaryintransition.com/tag/eden-murrie/). Given the early retirement age, former
military personnel (and reservists) are a natural fit for positions of influence in federal,
state, and local governments, school boards, nonprofits, and volunteer work; many are in those
places.
Perhaps the coziest relationships under the insecurity blanket are the multitudes of
contracts and grants the Department of Defense tenders to the nonprofit world. DoD fiscal
reporting is notoriously inaccurate, and there were conflicting accounts between and within the
online databases. Nevertheless, even a fuzzy picture gives a good idea of the depth and scope
of the coverage.
From the TNC 2016 Annual Report: "The Nature Conservancy is an organization that takes care
of people and land, and they look for opportunities to partner. They're nonpolitical. We need
nongovernment organizations like TNC to help mobilize our citizens. They are on the ground.
They understand the people, the politics, the partnerships. We need groups like TNC to
subsidize what government organizations can't do" (Mamie Parker, Former Assistant Director,
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and Arkansas Trustee, The Nature Conservancy).
Among the subsidies going the other way are 44 DoD contracts with TNC totaling several
million for the years 2008-2018 (USA). These are for such services as Prairie Habitat
Reforestation, $100,000, and Runway and Biosecurity upkeep at Palmyra Atoll, HI, $82,000 (USA).
For the years 2000-2016, GCW lists a total of $5,500,000 in TNC's DoD contracts.
Grants to TNC for specific projects, not clearly different from contracts, were much larger.
Each is listed separately (USA); a rough count of the total was more than $150 million. One $55
million grant was for "Army compatible use buffer (acubs) in vicinity of Fort Benning military
installation." Similar grants, the largest, $14 million, were for this service at other bases.
Another was for the implementation of Fort Benning army installation's ecological monitoring
plan. Included in the description of these grants was the notice: "Assist State and local
governments to mitigate or prevent incompatible civilian land use/activity that is likely to
impair the continued operational utility of a Department of Defense (DoD) military
installation. Grantees and participating governments are expected to adopt and implement the
study recommendations."
TNC's Form 990 for 2017 states its investment income as $21 million. It reported government
grants of $108.5 million, and government contracts of $9 million. These may include funds from
state and local as well as all departments of the federal government. The Department of the
Interior, which manages the vast lands used for bombing ranges and live ammunition war games,
is another TNC grantor.
Other environmental organizations sustained by DoD contracts are the National Audubon
Society ($945,000 for 6 years, GCW), and Point Reyes Bird Observatory ($145,000, 6 years, GCW).
USA reports contracts with Stichting Deltares, a Dutch coastal research institute, for $550,000
in 2016, grants to the San Diego Zoo of $367,000, and to the Institute for Wildlife Studies,
$1.3 million for shrike monitoring.
Goodwill Industries (training and employing the disabled, ex-offenders, veterans, and
homeless people) is an enormous military contractor. Each entity is a separate corporation,
based on state or region, and the total receipt is in the billions. For example, for 2000-2016
(GCW), Goodwill of South Florida had $434 million and Southeastern Wisconsin $906 million in
contracts. Goods and services provided include food and logistics support, records processing,
army combat pants, custodial, security, mowing, and recycling. Similar organizations working
for the DoD include the Jewish Vocational Service and Community Workshop, janitorial services,
$12 million over 5 years; Lighthouse for the Blind, $4.5 million, water purification equipment;
Ability One; National Institute for the Blind; Pride Industries; and Melwood Horticultural
Training Center.
The DoD does not shun the work of Federal Prison Industries, which sells furniture and other
products. A government corporation (and thus not a nonprofit), it had half a billion in sales
to all federal departments in 2016. Prison labor, Goodwill Industries, and other
sheltered-workshop enterprises, along with for- profits employing immigrant workers, teenagers,
retirees, and migrant workers (who grow food for the military and the rest of us), reveal the
evolving nature of the US working class, and some explanation for its lack of revolutionary
fervor, or even mild dissent from the capitalist system.
The well-paid, and truly diverse employees (including executives) of major weapons makers
are also not about to construct wooden barricades. Boards of directors in these industries are
welcoming to minorities and women. The CEOs of Lockheed and General Dynamics are women, as is
the Chief Operating Officer of Northrop Grumman. These success stories reinforce personal
aspirations among the have-nots, rather than questioning the system.
Contracts with universities, hospitals, and medical facilities are too numerous to detail
here; one that illustrates how far the blanket stretches is with Oxford University, $800,000
for medical research. Professional associations with significant contracts include the
Institute of International Education, American Council on Education, American Association of
State Colleges and Universities, National Academy of Sciences, Society of Women Engineers,
American Indian Science and Engineering Society, American Association of Nurse Anesthetists,
Society of Mexican-American Engineers, and U.S. Green Building Council. The Council of State
Governments (a nonprofit policy association of officials) received a $193,000 contract for
"preparedness" work. Let us hope we are well prepared.
The leaders, staff, members, donors, and volunteers of nonprofit organizations are the kind
of people who might have been peace activists, yet so many are smothered into silence under the
vast insecurity blanket. In addition to all the direct and indirect beneficiaries of the
military establishment, many people with no connection still cheer it on. They have been
subject to relentless propaganda forthe military and its wars from the government, the print
and digital press, TV, movies, sports shows, parades, and computer games -- the latter teach
children that killing is fun.
The indoctrination goes down easily. It has had a head start in the educational system that
glorifies the violent history of the nation. Our schools are full of in-house tutoring, STEM
programs, and fun robotics teams personally conducted by employees of the weapons makers. Young
children may not understand all the connections, but they tend to remember the logos. The JROTC
programs, imparting militaristic values, enroll far more children than the ones who will become
future officers. The extremely well-funded recruitment efforts in schools include "fun"
simulations of warfare.
There is a worldwide supporting cast for the complex that includes NATO, other alliances,
defense ministries, foreign military industries, and bases, but that is a story for another
day.
The millions sheltered under our thick and broad blanket, including the enlistees under the
prickly part of it, are not to blame. Some people may be thrilled by the idea of death and
destruction. However, most are just trying to earn a living, keep their organization or rust
belt afloat, or be accepted into polite company. They would prefer constructive work or income
from healthy sources. Yet many have been indoctrinated to believe that militarism is normal and
necessary. For those who consider change to be essential if life on this planet has a chance at
survival, it is important to see all the ways that the military-
industrial-congressional-almost everything-complex is being sustained.
"Free market economy" is a myth. In addition to the huge nonprofit (non-market) sector,
government intervention is substantial, not only in the gigantic military, but in agriculture,
education, health care, infrastructure, economic development (!), et al. For the same trillions
we could have a national economy that repairs the environment, provides a fine standard of
living and cultural opportunities for all, and works for peace on earth.
* * *
Joan Roelofs is Professor Emerita of Political Science, Keene State College, New Hampshire.
She is the author of Foundations and Public Policy: The Mask of Pluralism (SUNY Press, 2003)
and Greening Cities (Rowman and Littlefield, 1996). She is the translator of Victor
Considerant's Principles of Socialism (Maisonneuve Press, 2006), and with Shawn P. Wilbur, of
Charles Fourier's anti-war fantasy, The World War of Small Pastries (Autonomedia, 2015). A
community education short course on the military industrial complex is on her website, and may
be used for similar purposes.
Allies Against Russia & Iran
Main U.S. allies are Saudi Arabia, UAE, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Israel, & Nazis
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Today's Axis (the fascist powers) are
the heirs of Hitler's failed Operation Barbarossa to conquer the Soviet Union. After World War II, America's
CIA, along with Britain's MI6 and other governmental agencies, plus the Vatican, produced "rat lines" for
key Nazis (including their collaborators in other countries) to resettle in U.S., Argentina, and
Canada
(and in other countries, too, as
the CIA-edited and written account
at Wikipedia
focused upon
), and for these 'former' Nazis (who actually remained ideologically as nazis or racist
fascists, and the CIA knew and welcomed this) to continue working to conquer the Soviet Union. These secret
nazis carried out secret assignments not only for their new country's military and against the Soviet Union,
but also domestically against labor unions of all sorts, and against anything that the owners of the largest
U.S.-and-allied international corporations wanted to be targeted.
This was and is an officially secret
extension of the internationally coordinated farthest far-right, the few people who actually control the
international corporations. It consists of the operations on behalf of the Deep State, but the agents who
carry out these instructions are
only agents
; consequently, everything that they know regarding what
they are instructed to do is told to them only privately on a need-to-know basis, so that only the members
of the Deep State itself are aware of what the broader objectives of any given operation are. For example,
the CIA's operations aren't part of the Deep State but particular ones of these operations
represent
the Deep State -- the instructions they execute on these operations come from the Deep State; the CIA is an
agency for the international Deep State, but not all of what the CIA does represents the Deep State. Not
even the U.S. President himself is necessarily aware of what the agents of the Deep State are doing -- not
even of what the Deep State's agents who are on the federal payroll are doing.
For example, as soon as Franklin Delano
Roosevelt died in 1945, the Deep State (the controlling owners of the largest international corporations)
started to take over, and not everything that it was doing was known at the time by the leaders of the
official (elected) American government. Even U.S. President Harry S. Truman -- though the sign on his desk
said "The BUCK STOPS here!" and he meant it -- was kept in the dark, and was occasionally deceived, about
some things that the OSS (precursor to the CIA) and the CIA were doing. For example, Truman probably didn't
know that
in 1948 the CIA perpetrated its first coup and this coup in Thailand established the off-the-books funding
of the CIA from the international narcotics traffic
(more on that is also
here
), so that the CIA's actual budget wouldn't be restricted simply to the on-the-books funding, from
U.S. taxpayers. This illegal funding-source has been crucial for many of the CIA's operations, and makes
bribes untraceable.
A subversive right-wing coup, centered in
the United States but operating throughout all U.S.-allied countries, thus gradually took over in the
formerly anti-Nazi U.S.-allied countries. This slow coup was internationally coordinated amongst aristocrats
(the controllers of international corporations) from all participating countries. But it was internationally
led by America's aristocrats, starting when FDR died.
Some of the major operations of the
international Deep State were courageously reported in
a rare and classic BBC documentary, in 1992, shown in this video
. As it makes clear, these agents of the
Deep State considered themselves to be revolutionaries. They were heroes, in their own eyes. Here are two
brief excerpts from that video:
8:35-9:00:
"As the
[Nazi]
Germans withdrew, they left secret agents in the countries they had occupied. For the retreating
Germans, they were the staunchest elitists. They were selected from the SS and the fascist Black Legions.
They were to become the footsoldiers in the next war, about to begin.
10:25-10:55:
"Then
[OSS
second-in-command]
Jim Angleton
[James Jesus Angleton]
appeared in August
[1945]
. He
started recruiting fascists, because he said that the best way to control the communists was to hire
fascists. One of the most tough ones was Prince Valerio Borghese, who ran what was known as the tenth
flotilla. These are the guys that would execute partisans
[anti-fascists]
and hang them from lamp
posts all over Italy."
So: within just months of FDR's 12 April
1945 death, The West's Deep State was already in full start-up mode, to achieve ultimately a fascist
victory, not only against the U.S.S.R., but also against Western countries themselves. This is the
historical reality, about The West, after WW II.
As liaison officer between the O.S.S.
and the Fifth Army he assisted the military‐government mission in Italy and captured codes, card files
and documents important to American security.
After the war he returned to Italy and worked for the restoration of Italian business and industry and
for a stable, democratic government.
He was for many years president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Italy.
Instead of his having been born in 1917,
he had actually been born in 1889, which is believable.
So, one can reasonably infer that in
1945, the 56-year-old Hugh Angleton passed along to the 28-year-old Jesus Angleton, his contact list of
approximately 3,000 secret operatives of Hitler and of Mussolini in Europe, and that this son (Jesus)
proceeded promptly to recruit these secret Nazis and Fascists to work for the OSS. The father could retire
rich, while the son went on to grow and harvest his crops, for America's war against Russia (
not
actually against communism -- which was the cover-story
).
When the Soviet Union broke up and
ended its communism in 1991 and thereafter, their former Warsaw Pact military alliance became gradually
absorbed into America's NATO alliance -- and now
even a former part of the Russian Federation itself within the former Soviet Union (and which thus is no
mere Warsaw Pact ally), Ukraine, is being invited into NATO
, and is preparing for admission into the
anti-Russia military pact -- into the U.S. alliance against Russia -- and
hopes to conquer Russia totally
. The name for the broader U.S. plan here (
of
which the takeover of Ukraine is only a part
) is "Nuclear Primacy" -- the U.S. Government's goal is U.S.
victory in a nuclear war against Russia, and this goal can be achieved only if the U.S. nuclearly
blitz-attacks Russia, and if that blitz-attack eliminates Russia's retaliatory weapons (sufficiently to meet
the U.S. Government's top-secret standard of what would constitute acceptable damage to the U.S. from a
Russian retaliatory attack). This is the ultimate strategic plan (and all details of it are prohibited from
being made public).
"Nuclear Primacy" replaces the prior
meta-strategy, which was called "Mutually Assured Destruction" or "M.A.D." -- the belief that the purpose of
nuclear weapons is to prevent a World War III, not to win a WW III. This new meta-strategy starts from the
assumption that the number of people killed in the U.S. and allied countries by a counter-attack from Russia
responding to a sudden and unannounced blitz nuclear invasion of Russia, by the U.S. and its allies, will be
worth that (currently secret) cost.
Some experts say that since
even the proponents of "Nuclear Primacy"
have ignored instead of discussed nuclear winter, the only
reason for the continuation of the 'Cold War' (the potential for an intentional nuclear war between America
and Russia) after the end of the Soviet Union and of its Warsaw Pact and of its communism, is in order to
advance the stock-values of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, SAIC, and the other international corporations whose
sole main sources of income are the U.S. Government and its allied governments. These government-dependent
corporations have taken over the government,
just like U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower publicly warned the American people against at the very end of
his two terms of office
, at a time when the process was, by then, already almost complete, and he
himself had actually been the person who had done the most that anyone had yet done to advance the
military-industrial complex. His famous
"military-industrial complex"
speech (and
here is its broader context
) urged future Presidents to try to undo what he himself had actually already
set inevitably into motion in America. It was as if he was warning to close the barn door so that the horse
won't get out, but the horse had already been stolen and was no longer even subject to this person's
control. Sales of weapons that American corporations market to the American Government, and to its allied
Governments, thus came to wag the tail of America's future
'democracy'
; nobody any longer could stop this process from being completed.
Now that the 'anti-Islamic-terrorist'
excuses for selling and buying their weapons and services are declining, the focus is, yet again,
increasingly against Russia and its allies, in order that the owners of those corporations (the category of
corporations
that depend the most
upon their Government) will continue to grow in wealth, and not to
lose value of their investments. As the anti-Jewish writer Philip Giraldi said accurately (though I think he
misunderstands how the Deep State, of which he used to be an operative, actually functions),
"Defense contractors need a foe to justify their existence while congressmen need the contractors to fund
their campaigns."
He interprets the corruption in a tribal way, rather than as corruption itself and of
any type, as being the reason why the United States continues to try to achieve 'Nuclear Primacy'. But that
explanation would not explain why nuclear winter is not being discussed by the proponents of 'Nuclear
Primacy'.
None of the publicly available
estimates, behind the 'Nuclear Primacy' meta-strategy, even discusses nuclear winter, which physicists say
would follow such a nuclear war between U.S. and Russia, and would virtually eliminate agriculture and
produce mass-starvation throughout the entire world, including in any 'victor' country. It threatens all
tribes. The published studies regarding the possibility of "nuclear winter"
all concern the likely effect of a nuclear war between India and Pakistan
, or other and even lesser
pairings. Whether or not the U.S. Government has ever commissioned a study of what the likely effects of a
nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia would be, is not publicly known. Possibly, this subject has been
examined but the findings are not disclosed; but, also possibly, the U.S. Government does not want such a
study to be done, at all, so that no one will know what the findings might turn out to be. The latter
possibility might, for example, be the case if America's weapons manufacturing and marketing firms control
the U.S. Government. If constant increases in their sales is the objective that drives the U.S. Government,
then there would be sound reason for the U.S. Government to prevent or at least suppress any such analysis
of the global effects, inasmuch as its findings could crash those corporations' stock-values, and the
billionaires who
control those firms and the U.S. Government
, might suffer enormous losses. This assumes that the U.S.
Government represents those owners and not the public. But in any case: marketing weapons that are suitable
only for traditional, non-nuclear, wars, such as against regular jihadists, has apparently run its course
and produced all of the sales-growth that that business-plan is likely to achieve; and, therefore, as has
been the case since at least the time of the Obama Administration, the U.S.
is actively gearing up for an invasion of Russia
. The U.S. Government is behaving as if America's
weapons-producers own it. The weapons-producers (that is, the owners of the weapons-producers) seem to be in
control of the U.S. Government.
Whereas Giraldi and most other writers
against U.S. imperialism -- against development of control over the entire world by U.S. billionaires --
allege that the origin of this imperialism is "Jews" (and specifically the Jews who joined together under
the banner of "neoconservatism" after 1960), insufficient public attention has been devoted to the
possibility that an even more crucial role in the Middle Eastern portion of the U.S. Government's plan is
being played by
the world's wealthiest family
, the royal Saud family of Saudi Arabia, who have the same obsession to
conquer Iran that Israel's Government does. Israel's powerful lobby in the United States is pressing the
same things that the Saud family do; each of the two (Israel and the Sauds) pushes the invade-Iran theme,
and each is at least accepting of all the rest of the other's foreign policies; but, whereas lobbyists for
Jews are viewed somewhat sympathetically by the American public, no lobbyists for Muslims have anything like
the same level of acceptance by the U.S. public. For a U.S. Senator or Representative to be championing
Israel is accepted by the American public far more than is for that same person to be championing the Saud
family, who own Saudi Arabia, or to be championing any of the 7 royal families who own UAE, or etc. (Kuwait,
Qatar, or even non-Arab governments, such as Pakistan). Whereas the Gulf Cooperation Council of
fundamentalist-Sunni Arab kings constitute, by far, the lion's share of foreign buyers of U.S.-made
weaponry, Israel not only doesn't have such enormous financial resources, but it even receives from U.S.
taxpayers $3.8 billion in U.S. donations to Israel's Government, each and every year, in order for Israel to
be able to afford to buy from U.S. makers the weapons that it does buy. In contrast to Israel's relative
pauper-status there, U.S. President Donald Trump personally sold to the Saud family $350 billion of U.S.
weapons shortly after becoming President, and
increased that to $400 billion soon afterwards
. His sale, to the Sauds, of U.S. weaponry, is
overwhelmingly the largest military sale in all of world history. It is Trump's major achievement thus far
in his Presidency. (Trump can meet privately with King Saud, and with Netanyahu, but the Deep State calls
him a 'traitor' for meeting privately with Putin.)
On August 6, 2003, on Hiroshima Day,
commemorating when the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima (August 6 1945), a secret meeting was
held behind closed doors at Strategic Command Headquarters at the Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.
Senior executives from the nuclear industry and the military industrial complex were in attendance. This
mingling of defense contractors, scientists and policy-makers was not intended to commemorate Hiroshima.
The United States Government was already
preparing for the time when the then-raging U.S. military buildup in order to deal with terrorism would need
to be supplanted with a return to the major-power, strategic nuclear, weaponry, which could carry U.S.
weapons-manufacturers back to the good old days of unlimited 'defense' spending, and unlimited war-profits
to these firms. Dr. Chossudovsky continued:
The Privatization of Nuclear War: US
Military Contractors Set the Stage
The post 9/11 nuclear weapons
doctrine was in the making, with America's major defense contractors directly involved in the
decision-making process.
The Hiroshima Day 2003 meetings had
set the stage for the "privatization of nuclear war". Corporations not only reap multibillion-dollar
profits from the production of nuclear bombs, they also have a direct voice in setting the agenda
regarding the use and deployment of nuclear weapons.
The nuclear weapons industry, which
includes the production of nuclear devices as well as the missile delivery systems, etc., is controlled
by a handful of defense contractors with Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon
and Boeing in the lead.
These are weapons-systems that cost in
the billions of dollars, rather than in the millions of dollars. America's generals and national-'security'
advisors and other individuals who take part in the U.S. Government's planning and weapons-purchases, rotate
between official government posts and international corporate boards; and, basically, as professionals in
their line of work, they play both sides of that revolving door (between the government and 'the private
sector') so as to maximize their own future likely income streams. They are not peace-planners. That's not
really what they get paid to do -- avoid weapons-buildups and invasions. The people who get paid to do the
peace-job don't have nearly as much to sell, and they've got far fewer and poorer buyers for their services
(maybe the public?). This is the reality of 'the free market'. Another word for it is: "corruption."
Whenever and wherever wealth is extremely concentrated in a few, corruption reigns, the public does not. For
a country to have vast inequality of wealth is to have vast corruption, and to be ruled by it.
The CIA-controlled Wikipedia article on
"Nuclear Winter"
is written to deceive about the subject; and, therefore, for example, it opens one of
its sections with a blatantly propagandistic title and introduction:
Soviet exploitation
[edit]
See also: Soviet influence on the
peace movement § Claims of wider Soviet influence
In an interview in 2000 with Mikhail
Gorbachev (the leader of the Soviet Union from 1985–91), the following statement was posed to him: "In
the 1980s, you warned about the unprecedented dangers of nuclear weapons and took very daring steps to
reverse the arms race", with Gorbachev replying "Models made by Russian and American scientists showed
that a nuclear war would result in a nuclear winter that would be extremely destructive to all life on
Earth; the knowledge of that was a great stimulus to us, to people of honor and morality, to act in that
situation."[216]
However, a 1984 US Interagency
Intelligence Assessment expresses a far more skeptical and cautious approach, stating that as the
hypothesis is not scientifically convincing.
Though the Wiki article discusses
several studies that had been done in the 1980s modeling the consequences of an India-Pakistan nuclear war
and comparably small ones, it mentions only dismissively the far-more-recent and inclusive study:
In a 2012 "Bulletin of the Atomic
Scientists" feature, Robock and Toon, who had routinely mixed their disarmament advocacy into the
conclusions of their "nuclear winter" papers,[18] argue in the political realm that the hypothetical
effects of nuclear winter necessitates that the doctrine they assume is active in Russia and US,
"mutually assured destruction" (MAD) should instead be replaced with their own "self-assured destruction"
(SAD) concept,[200].
The propaganda is strictly by Wikipedia
there, not at all by Robock and Toon,
whose article
does
not
argue to replace "MAD" with "SAD" nor with anything at all, but instead
documents and affirms M.A.D. -- yes, Wikipedia outright lies, when it must -- and their article summarizes
studies published between 1980 and 2010, none of which modeled a U.S.-Russia war, but all of which were
consistent with the authors' conclusion; namely, that even those, much smaller, wars, would make things
vastly worse for both sides (both sides would enormously lose) and would also produce mass-starvation in
broader areas of the planet. Then, the article -- which, as noted, was current as of 2012 (not just as-of
those
earlier
periods) -- summarily stated, as follows, all work that had been done on the subject, up
till that time (and not since supplanted):
The new models show that a
full-scale nuclear conflict, in which 150 million tons of smoke are lofted into the upper atmosphere [the
minimum that a U.S.-Russia war would do], would drastically reduce precipitation by 45 percent on a
global average, while temperatures would fall for several years by 7 to 8 degrees Celsius [13 degrees
Fahrenheit] on average and would remain depressed by 4 degrees Celsius after a decade (Robock et al.,
2007a). Humans have not experienced temperatures this low since the last ice age (Figure 2). In important
grain-growing regions of the northern mid-latitudes [including both U.S. and Russia, as well as most of
Europe], precipitation would decline by up to 90 percent, and temperatures would fall below freezing and
remain there for one or more years.
The number of weapons needed to
initiate these climate changes falls within the range of arsenals planned for the coming decade (Toon et
al., 2008). For instance, the use of 4,000 weapons (the rough total for US and Russian arsenals in 2017
under New START), each with a yield of 100 kilotons (a typical yield for submarine weapons, but at the
low end for most nuclear weapons), against urban or industrial targets would produce about 180 million
tons of soot [30 million higher than that 150 million estimate]. A single US submarine carrying 144
weapons of 100-kiloton yield could produce 23 million tons of smoke if these weapons were used on densely
populated Chinese cities.
The effects of the nuclear contamination
itself are in addition to that estimation of the smoke-damages.
The U.S. weapons-manufacturers and their
agents might not want the public to know this (and so Wikipedia lies about it), but not only would both
sides lose from a U.S.-Russia nuclear war, but the entire planet would lose -- and drastically. The
cigarette-manufacturers long hid the harms of their business, but today's privatized weapons-manufacturing
firms dwarf the corruption and harm that the tobacco-industry perpetrated. The liars get well-paid, but the
truth is far grimmer, and far deadlier -- especially in this matter.
Unlike the CIA-Wikipedia fictionalized
version, M.A.D. wasn't "Soviet exploitation" -- it was instead the reality recognized by both sides, and is
the reality even today, despite what the U.S. weapons-manufacturers and their enormous sales-forces have
been deceiving their publics to believe since 2006.
Consequently, I infer, from the
evidence, that the leaders, of the operation to conquer Russia, are the controlling owners of America's
large 'defense' contractors, and of those individuals' largest non-U.S. customer, the Saud family. The
Sauds' biggest competitors in the international-energy markets (which are their own main markets) are:
Russia and Iran.
It makes sense for the Sauds to be the
#1 foreign buyers of American-made weapons. Not only do they get the weapons, but they get control over the
U.S. Government, which, in turn, determines which nations will be America's 'enemies' (the
'military-industrial complex's targets), and which nations will be America's 'allies' (the
'military-industrial complex's markets). The Sauds buy their allies wisely. Their business-plan includes, as
the most important ally, America's aristocracy; and (as a crucial ally to add greatly to the impact of
America's aristocracy, supplementing them to win the U.S. policies the Sauds need) Israel's aristocracy. The
combination of those two control-levers over the U.S. Government is powerful. Perhaps in the sudden global
cooling from nuclear winter, the Sauds' region will even become one of the world's greenest and most
fruitful. If anyone still exists then, at all.
Where does the EU, and where does the
anti-Russia NATO alliance, fit into this reality? Some of Europe's aristocrats are benefiting from alliance
with the U.S., but others are not. And, of course, America's aristocrats benefit enormously from having
their support -- i.e., from buying their support, bribing them in the legal ways. However, Europe's
aristocratic nazis weren't supposed to have been the winners of WW II. So: nazi Europeans are Europe's
enemies, not its friends -- just as nazi Americans aren't friends but instead enemies to the American people.
That hasn't changed, and can't change.
Only Europeans can decide what to do
regarding nazi Europeans. And only Americans can decide what to do regarding nazi Americans. (One idea might
be to refuse to vote for nazis, but, under existing circumstances, how would that even be possible?) Without
constant deceit, this situation couldn't exist anywhere. And if people are constantly deceived, they are
powerless. Deceit is the chief weapon of Operation Barbarossa II, the American aristocracy's war, not the
German aristocracy's war (which was more overtly physical -- military -- and was only secondarily based upon
deceiving the public).
When the Sauds became America's allies
in 1945 via the secret "Quincy Pact" between FDR and Saud, FDR probably expected that it would move Saudi
Arabia gradually toward democracy. What instead happened is that the Saud family and the losers of Operation
Barbarossa became carried forward toward ultimate victory over The West, by an alliance between the Saudi
and the American aristocracies. The Sauds and America's aristocrats won; FDR and his democratic legacy and
the American people ourselves, lost. The subterranean fascist forces turned out to be far more potent than
FDR imagined. Perhaps the OSS had been deceiving him.
Incidentally, any secret treaty
(including the Quincy Pact) is unConstitutional. None of this happened democratically. It was
a slow coup
. That's what created today's alliances, and today's targets.
To understand the Deep State, its basic
ideological principles need to be recognized. Under Hitler, hereditary rights and obligations were publicly
recognized; and democracy, the rule over a land by the residents on that land, was publicly condemned. Not
only the hereditary principle, but the imperialistic principle, the right of foreign conquest, was publicly
honored. The two principles go naturally together. The main reason why the Sauds and the other (all of them
fundamentalist Sunnis) Arab kings, want to conquer Iran, is that
Shia Islam denies the right of hereditary rule
. (This is also why in Syria, Bashar al-Assad claims no
hereditary right to rule; if he were to do otherwise, he'd violate Shia Islam and he would be rejected by
Iran.) The main reason why America's aristocracy wants to conquer Russia (other than the latter's
natural-resources wealth, which has always been a reason) is that
Vladimir Putin insists that only the residents in a land should possess sovereignty there, but the U.S. and
British aristocracies insist upon the right to conquer foreign lands
. As an ideology, nazism totally
affirms both the hereditary principle, and the imperialist principle. This is what the U.S.-Saudi alliance
likewise affirms. And that is why, for example, the CIA has always favored monarchies and opposed
democracies (or at least authentic ones, which the U.S. aristocracy cannot control).
I think this article goes much too far with the Nazi stuff but the simple fact that Saudi Arabia is the
third biggest military spender in the world, bigger than Russia, should inform people as to how much
influence Saudi has. Yet it is rarely mentioned.
The Saudis were just puppets installed by the British. It seems to me that the real "nazis", then and now,
are the banksters. Now as before they fund both sides of the conflicts that they initiate and after
digesting their profits they own what remains. As Tacitus wrote, solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant. They
make a desert and call it peace
During WWII FDR was informed that in 30 years time USA
oil would be exhausted, so Harold L Ickes at the end of 1944 made Saudi Arabia THE USA's oil supplier.
To make the deal more official, FDR, in the beginning of 1945, received the Saud of the time aboard the
cruiser Quincy on the Bitter Lakes near the Suez canal.
As FDR said in his last speech to congress, seated, 'ten minutes with Saud had learned him more about
zionism than hundreds of letters from rabbi's'.
He also stated that he had promised Saud to limit jewish immigration into Palestine.
Both these statements do not seem to be in the offical record, they also were not in the text prepared for
him:
Robert E. Sherwood, 'Roosevelt und Hopkins', 1950, Hamburg (Roosevelt and Hopkins, New York, 1948)
In 1947, from memory, the then Saud published an interesting article on the folly of 'returning' in a USA
newspaper or periodical.
The Saudi regime just exists because of USA support, is my opinion.
Nothing special, all Muslim rulers in the ME are dependent on USA support, Quatar is the USA military
headquarters of the USA.
Iran is the exception.
Now it is possible that for the moment Israel is willing to cooperate with Saudi Arabia for the purpose
of destabilising the whole ME, present objective Iran.
The Iran regime quite well understands that Big Satan Sam controls a large part of the ME, thus they see the
Saudi regime as enemy.
If, if it succeeds, Iran has been destroyed, Israel is willing to cooperate with Saudi Arabia, I wonder.
Israel sees all neighbouring Muslim countries as threats.
If the Israeli destabilisation plans include the destabilisation of the European nations, more and more
people wonder.
Why does Soros want to force Muslim immigrants on Hungary ?
Brussels fears a new ME war, they fear the new wave of immigrants.
They do want these immigrants, a 2009 Brussels document states that the EU needs 60 million, but the
citizens of the member states more and more realise the burden of these migrants, they cost some € 30.000
per migrant per year in social security, thus it will lead to the collapse of social security, cultural
antagonies are more and more realised, as crime rates.
So a new ME war may be the end of the EU.
Therefore Brussels warned Netanyahu about Iran, also because of huge investments by European companies such
as Total in Iran.
I do hope that Trump will save us in Europe, also of course the people of Iran, from a new ME war.
He stated that immigration is destroying the European cultures.
Just want to add a comment on this Nazi-USA-Israel friendship. When I read the memoirs of Reinhardt Gehlen
(The Service, The Memoirs) there was one interesting place. Gehlen predicted in a meeting the exact time of
the Israel attack in the Six Day War some time before it. He comments in the book that he had sent to Egypt
old Nazi intelligence people and these people knew precisely what weapons Israel had before this 1967 war.
Apparently they knew of the coming attack (since Gehlen did) and that Israel would surely win if there came
a war (as German military, they could count the strengths), but they did not hint anything to the Egyptians
so that they could have had some planes in the air or tried to avoid a war (this failure to do so must have
been intentional).
This essay has an X-files feel to it. I find it hard to believe that Roosevelt and Truman didn't know that
Mega-Corporations were running the show.
Yes, there are a collusion of special interests. But no need for "spooky action at a distance" claims.
It's all very up front. This is why I don't buy the claim of Roosevelt and Truman being innocent puppets.
Roosevelt for sure came from the Oligarch class.
The POTUS effectively acts as a corporate lawyer for the Mega-Corporations whose job is to explain to the
MEGA-CEO just what they are able to get away with without provoking violent Peasant Revolt across the
US ..at any given point in time. The Ludlow massacre was a close one.
This illegal funding-source has been crucial for many of the CIA's operations, and makes bribes
untraceable.
Illegality is the main function of covert operations. If they were legal, there would be no reason for
them to be covert. Laws or legalisms (written behavior restrictions), are put in place by the powers that
be, whoever they are, to restrict the behavior of the masses. Not to restrict themselves.
Again. Ask yourself who you cannot criticize. Then you will know who they are. And have been, all along.
"Israeli arms are being
sent to a heavily armed neo-Nazi militia in Ukraine. IWI markets the Tavor as the "primary weapon" of the
Israeli special forces.
Fort, the Ukrainian state-owned arms company that produces the rifles under license, has a page about the
Tavor on its website. The Israel Weapon Industries logo also appears on its website, including on the "Our
Partners" page."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MywW6mOquSk
"A photo on Azov's website also shows a Tavor in the hands of one of the militia's officers. The rifles
are produced under licence from Israel Weapon Industries, and as such would have been authorized by the
Israeli government:"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QopTJkI3_Fs
"... The idea behind offset agreements is simple: When a country buys weapons from a firm overseas, it pumps a large amount of money out of its economy, instead of investing in its own defense industry or in other domestic projects. So to make large weapons deals more attractive, arms companies offer programs to "offset" that effect. As part of a weapons package, they often sign an agreement to invest in the country's economy, either in defense or civilian sectors. ..."
"... According to an email from Clarke, the UAE accepted unpaid offset obligations as cash payments to a large financial firm called Tawazun Holding. Tawazun sent the $20 million to a UAE think tank called the Emirates Center for Strategic Studies and Research . ECSSR then began sending that money to the Middle East Institute, a prestigious D.C. think tank that has a history of promoting arms sales to Gulf dictatorships. ... ..."
"... So essentially, in a roundabout way, the UAE took money from international firms that was meant for economic development and funneled it to a supportive think tank in the United States. ..."
The United Arab Emirates created a "slush fund" using money meant for domestic economic development
projects and funneled it to a high-profile think tank in the United States, emails obtained by The
Intercept show.
Last week, The Intercept
reported that the UAE gave a $20 million grant to the Middle East Institute, flooding a well-regarded
D.C. think tank with a monetary grant larger than its
annual budget
. According to an email from Richard Clarke, MEI's chairman of the board, the UAE got the money from
offset investments -- development investments by international companies that are made as part of
trade agreements.
The idea behind offset agreements is simple: When a country buys weapons from a firm overseas,
it pumps a large amount of money out of its economy, instead of investing in its own defense industry
or in other domestic projects. So to make large weapons deals more attractive, arms companies offer
programs to "offset" that effect. As part of a weapons package, they often sign an agreement to invest
in the country's economy, either in defense or civilian sectors.
Offsets provide a way to sell weapons at inflated prices, when companies offer juicier offset
packages. Critics say the lack of transparency in how offset investments are carried out leaves a
window open for a form of legalized corruption. The emails lift a veil on what has long been an obscure
element of the arms trade.
According to an
email from Clarke, the UAE accepted unpaid offset obligations as cash payments to a large financial
firm called Tawazun Holding. Tawazun sent the $20 million to a UAE think tank called the
Emirates Center for Strategic Studies and Research . ECSSR then began sending that money to the
Middle East Institute, a prestigious D.C. think tank that has a history of
promoting arms sales to Gulf dictatorships. ...
So essentially, in a roundabout way, the UAE took money from international firms that was meant
for economic development and funneled it to a supportive think tank in the United States.
" American politicians like Senators John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Ben Cardin and ex-Senator Joe Lieberman "
American? I beg to differ. All of those turncoats serve their Master Israel and kiss the nether regions of those TBTF Wall
Street Casinos.
Browder is one of those nine Russian oligarchs -- eight of whom are Jews -- who stole hundreds of billions from Russia when
it was decompressing from being the USSR, helped by the drunken buffoon Yeltsin and a battery of Wall Street financial sharpies
who also filled their pockets.
Watch the tough guy Browder run like a scared bunny rabbit in NYC from a process server.
Browder needs to be arrested by Interpol, tried, convicted and spend the rest of his sorry life in a Super Max prison for his
thefts, frauds and helping to poison the relationship between the USA & Russia, in an effort to save his sorry ass from prosecution.
"Yeltsin had won a fraudulent election in 1996 supported by the oligarch-controlled media and by President Bill Clinton,
who secured a $20.2 billion IMF loan that enabled him to buy support. Today we would refer to Clinton's action as "interference
in the 1996 election," but at that time a helpless and bankrupt Russia was not well placed to object to what was being done
to it."
[emphasis mine]
So Mother Russia was raped, and by Bill Clinton, of all people. Where is the outrage? #MeToo
Although I posted this comment under another thread, I think it bears repeating here (especially relevant to your point is
the bolded part):
I think debunking the vulture capitalist Bill Browder's false claim of being, of all things, a human rights advocate is
the key to unraveling the Russia-gate hoax. I also think the following information goes a long way in doing that:
1. Nekrasov's documentary, The Magnitsky Act: Behind The Scenes, now available for viewing
2. Alex Krainer's The Killing of William Browder, now available online; and
3. Bill Browder's Previzon deposition in which he claims "I can't remember" at least 50 times and answers "I don't know"
fully 211 times.
Notwithstanding these facts, it appears Mr. Browder is an untouchable. The Russians have issued a Red Notice at least
six times and he has managed to walk away scot free on each occasion.
The zinger was when the Senate Judiciary Committee invited him to testify as an expert witness against Fusion GPS, arguing
that it should have registered under FARA because it was working on behalf of a foreign government, in this case the Russian.
The irony of this scene was incredible. The hallowed chamber in which this inquiry took place is completely bought and paid
for by The Lobby but not a peep about having it register under FARA. Totally surreal!
An interesting thing about this that has gone almost completely unreported is that HSBC quietly held a series of closed-door meetings
with Russian authorities earlier this year regarding the tax fraud charges leveled at Browder and his businesses (HSBC jointly
managed Hermitage) and decided to pay up some of the cash he illegally siphoned out of the country (22 million dollars I believe,
so a drop in the ocean given the scale of his endeavors, but it's something.)
"Bill Browder declined to comment" according to one of the few articles on the matter.
Isn't all of that more or less tantamount to an admission of guilt?
(2) How does a respectable congress pass a law based solely on the testimony of someone convicted of a crime by another country?
No jury in the world would reach a verdict based solely on the word of a convict, without it being substantiated by numerous pieces
of other circumstantial and direct evidence.
(3) Even if he paid everyone oodles of money and brought a thousand lawsuits, why would gazillionaire corporations cave in
to his demands to ban books, movies, organizations, etc.?
There is something more powerful about Bill Browder than just his pile of money.
In fact, most (not all) US lawmakers long ago became a euphemism for incompetence, corruption and lies. So, no -- modern US
Congress is not respectable by people and numbers reflect that. Hopefully, sometime in the future, some honorable and loyal to
their country people will make it there.
Can someone help me remember the names of those 9 oligarchs?
These are the ones I remember:
1) Anatoly Chubais
2) Browder
3) Boris Berezovsky
4) Mikhail Khodorkovsky
5) Vladimir Gusinsky
Who were the others? Thanks.
Of these 5, Chubais remained in Russia but the others fled. Chubais was the one who was instrumental in starting the loans-for-shares
scheme. My understanding is that those who fled are real scum, since Putin offered all oligarchs the chance to keep their money
so long as they avoided politics. Most vulture capitalists agreed to this arrangement, but the worst of the Jewish oligarchs were
too greedy and lustful to give in. So I have heard, anyway.
"... The contrary narrative to that provided by Browder concedes that there was indeed a huge fraud related to as much as $230 million in unpaid Russian taxes on an estimated $1.5 billion of income, but that it was not carried out by corrupt officials. Instead, it was deliberately ordered and engineered by Browder with Magnitsky, who was actually an accountant, personally developing and implementing the scheme, using multiple companies and tax avoidance schemes to carry out the deception. Magnitsky, who was on cardiac medication, was indeed arrested and convicted, but he, according to his own family, reportedly died due to his heart condition, possibly exacerbated by negligent authorities who failed to medicate him adequately when he became ill. ..."
"... As Nekrasov worked on the documentary, he discovered that the Browder supported narrative was full of contradictions, omissions and fabrication of evidence . By the time he finished, he realized that the more accurate account of what had occurred with Browder and Magnitsky had been that provided by the Russian authorities. ..."
"... When one gets past all of his bluster and posturing, by one significant metric Bill Browder might well be accounted the most dangerous man in the world. ..."
"... That the U.S. media and Congress appear to be entranced by Browder and dismissive of Moscow's charges against him is symptomatic of just how far the Russia-phobia in the West has robbed people of their ability to see what is right in front of them. To suggest that what is taking place driven by Browder and his friends in high places could well lead to tragedy for all of us would be an understatement. ..."
"... Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]. ..."
At the press
conference following their summit meeting in Helsinki, Russian President Vladimir Putin and
American President Donald Trump discussed the possibility of resolving potential criminal cases
involving citizens of the two countries by permitting interrogators from Washington and Moscow
to participate in joint questioning of the individuals named in indictments prepared by the
respective judiciaries. The predictable response by the American nomenklatura was that
it was a horrible idea as it would potentially require U.S. officials to answer questions from
Russians about their activities.
Putin argued, not unreasonably, that if Washington wants to extradite and talk to any of the
twelve recently
indicted GRU officers the Justice Department has named then reciprocity is in order for
Americans and other identified individuals who are wanted by the Russian authorities for
illegal activity while in Russia. And if Russian officials are fair game, so are American
officials.
A prime target for such an interrogation would be President Barack Obama's Ambassador to
Russia Michael McFaul, who was widely criticized while in Moscow for being on an apparent
mission to cultivate ties with the Russian political opposition and other "pro-democracy"
groups. But McFaul was not specifically identified in the press conference, though Russian
prosecutors
have asked him to answer questions related to the ongoing investigation of another leading
critic, Bill Browder, who was named by Putin during the question and answer session. Browder is
a major hedge fund figure who, inter alia , is an American by birth. He renounced his
U.S. citizenship in 1997 in exchange for British citizenship to avoid paying federal taxes on
his worldwide income.
Bill Browder is what used to be referred to as an oligarch, having set up shop in 1999 as
Hermitage Capital Management Fund, a hedge fund registered in tax havens Guernsey and the
Cayman Islands. It focused on "investing" in Russia, taking advantage initially of the
loans-for-shares scheme under
Russia's drunkard President Boris Yeltsin, and then continuing to profit greatly during the
early years of Vladimir Putin. By 2005 Hermitage was the largest foreign investor in
Russia.
Yeltsin had won a fraudulent election in 1996 supported by the oligarch-controlled media and
by President Bill Clinton, who secured a $20.2 billion IMF loan that enabled him to buy
support. Today we would refer to Clinton's action as "interference in the 1996 election," but
at that time a helpless and bankrupt Russia was not well placed to object to what was being
done to it. Yeltsin proved keen to follow oligarchical advice regarding how to strip the former
Soviet Union of its vast state-owned assets. Browder's Hermitage Investments profited hugely
from the commodities deals that were struck at that time.
Browder and his apologists portray him as an honest and honorable Western businessman
attempting to operate in a corrupt Russian business world. Nevertheless, the loans-for-shares
scheme that made him his initial fortune has been correctly characterized as the epitome of
corruption by all parties involved, an arrangement whereby foreign investors worked with local
oligarchs to strip the former Soviet economy of its assets paying pennies on each dollar of
value. Along the way, Browder
was reportedly involved in money laundering, making false representations on official
documents and bribery.
Browder was eventually charged by the Russian authorities for fraud and tax evasion. He was
banned from re-entering Russia in 2005 and began to withdraw his assets from the country, but
three companies controlled by Hermitage were eventually seized by the authorities. Browder
himself was convicted of tax evasion in absentia in 2013 and sentenced to nine years
in prison.
Browder, who refers to himself as Putin's "public enemy #1," has notably been able to sell
his tale of innocence to leading American politicians like Senators John McCain, Lindsay
Graham, Ben Cardin and ex-Senator Joe Lieberman, all of whom are always receptive when
criticizing Russia, as well as to a number of European parliamentarians and media outlets. In
the wake of the Helsinki press conference he has, for example, claimed that Putin named him
personally because he is a threat to continue to expose the crimes of the mafia that
he claims is currently running Russia, but there is, inevitably, another less discussed
alternative view of his self-serving narrative.
Central to the tale of what Browder really represents is the Magnitsky Act , which
the U.S. Congress passed into law to sanction individual Kremlin officials for their treatment
of alleged whistleblower Sergei Magnitsky, arrested and imprisoned in Russia. Browder has sold
a narrative which basically says that he and his "lawyer" Sergei Magnitsky uncovered massive
tax fraud and, when they attempted to report it, were punished by a corrupt police force and
magistracy, which had actually stolen the money. Magnitsky was arrested and died in prison,
allegedly murdered by the police to silence him.
The Magnitsky case is of particular importance because both the European Union and the
United States have initiated sanctions against the identified Russian officials who were
allegedly involved. In the Magnitsky Act , sponsored by Russia-phobic Senator Ben
Cardin and signed by President Barack Obama in 2012, the U.S. asserted its willingness to
punish foreign governments for human rights abuses. The Act, initially limited to Russia, has
now been expanded by virtue of 2016's Global Magnitsky Act , which enabled U.S.
sanctions worldwide.
Russia reacted angrily to the first iteration of the Act , noting that the actions
taken by its government internally, notably the operation of its judiciary, were being
subjected to outside interference, while other judicial authorities also questioned
Washington's claimed right to respond to criminal acts committed outside the United States.
Moscow reciprocated with sanctions against U.S. officials as well as by increasing pressure on
foreign non-governmental pro-democracy groups operating in Russia. Some have referred to the
Magnitsky Act as the start of the new Cold War.
The contrary narrative to that provided by Browder concedes that there was indeed a huge
fraud related to as much as $230 million in unpaid Russian taxes on an estimated $1.5 billion
of income, but that it was not carried out by corrupt officials. Instead, it was deliberately
ordered and engineered by Browder with Magnitsky, who was actually an accountant, personally
developing and implementing the scheme, using multiple companies and tax avoidance schemes to
carry out the deception. Magnitsky, who was on cardiac medication, was indeed arrested and
convicted, but he, according to his own family, reportedly died due to his heart condition,
possibly exacerbated by negligent authorities who failed to medicate him adequately when he
became ill.
The two competing Browder narratives have been explored in some detail by a Russian
documentary film maker Andrei Nekrasov, an outspoken anti-Putin activist, who was actually
initially engaged by Browder to do the film. An affable Browder appears extensively in the
beginning describing his career and the events surrounding Magnitsky.
As Nekrasov worked on the documentary, he discovered that the Browder supported narrative
was full of contradictions, omissions and fabrication of
evidence . By the time he finished, he realized that the more accurate account of what had
occurred with Browder and Magnitsky had been that provided by the Russian authorities.
When Nekrasov prepared to air his work " The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes," he
inevitably found himself confronted by billionaire Browder and a battery of lawyers, who
together blocked the showing of the film in Europe and the United States. Anyone subsequently
attempting to promote the documentary has been immediately confronted with 300 plus pages of
supporting documents accompanying a letter threatening a lawsuit if the film were to be shown
to the public.
A single viewing of "The Magnitsky Act" in Washington in June 2016 turned into a
riot when Browder supporters used tickets given to Congressional staffers to disrupt the
proceedings. At a subsequent hearing before Congress, where he was featured as an expert
witness on Russian corruption before a fawning Senate Judiciary Committee, Bill Browder
suggested that those who had challenged his narrative and arranged the film's viewing in
Washington should be prosecuted under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938 (FARA), which
includes penalties of up to five years in prison.
Because of the pressure from Browder, there has never been a second public showing of
"The Magnitsky Act" but it is possible to see it online at this site .
Bill Browder, who benefited enormously from Russian corruption, has expertly repackaged
himself as a paragon among businessmen, endearing himself to the Russia-haters in Washington
and the media. Curiously, however, he has proven reluctant to testify in cases regarding his
own business dealings. He has, for example, repeatedly
run away , literally, from attempts to subpoena him so he would have to testify under
oath.
When one gets past all of his bluster and posturing, by one significant metric Bill Browder
might well be accounted the most dangerous man in the world. Driven by extreme hatred of Putin
and of Russia, he personally and his Magnitsky Myth have together done more to launch and
sustain a dangerous new Cold War between a nuclear armed United States and a nuclear armed
Russia. Blind to what he has accomplished, he continues to pontificate about how Putin is out
to get him when instead he is the crook who quite likely stole $230 million dollars and should
be facing the consequences. That the U.S. media and Congress appear to be entranced by Browder
and dismissive of Moscow's charges against him is symptomatic of just how far the Russia-phobia
in the West has robbed people of their ability to see what is right in front of them. To
suggest that what is taking place driven by Browder and his friends in high places could well
lead to tragedy for all of us would be an understatement.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].
Please take a look at the documentary that has been quashed by Bill Browder and his
enablers, as it has not only been nixed in its premiere in many EU countriu, except Norway,
but has been deleted almost immediately when it was made available on YouTube. Now, however,
it is still available on bitchute and has almost 13K hits in almost four days after being
posted (as of this post):
As an aside, Thank you to Robin and S2C for spreading it so that people can make up their
own minds.
A special thanks should be made to Robin and S2S for distributing this film. The video is
almost at 13K as of this posting. We all have to work together in order to reveal the truth.
Perhaps we will benefit in the end, but that is to be determined yet. Nontheless, we must
try!
Sorry the video on bitchute which you have in your presentation was not present when first
losded in my browser, but I must admit from the time I first encountered this video, having
just 38 views until now, almost four days later, at almost 13K views, people are certainly
paying attention!
Please team up with Stranahan in his campaign to make Senators answer the question, "Have
you seen Bill Browder's 2015 deposition in the U.S. vs. Prevazon case?"
Full research sources here , including links to Browder's deposition. See for
yourselves how Browder contradicts himself in depositions, Senate testimony and his book.
Sad, but maybe not for us!
SAME THING HAPPENED WITH THE AL JAZEERA DOCUMENTARY ON ISRAELI LOBBY IN AMERICA
For the past year, Qatar has been under tremendous pressure from other US puppet Gulf states
(SAudi ARabia, UAE, Egypt etc) and from US and Israeli lobby. There was a economic blockade
of Qatar. WHY? Because Al Jazeera was about to release a documentary on Israeli lobby in the
US. Its documentary on Israeli lobby in UK had already been embarassing for zionists.
Because
of the extreme economic pressure put on Qatar and the threat of sanctions and worse, Qatar
(which owns Al Jazeera) shelved the documentary. They also had to grease a lot of zionist
organizations in US.
Not only did the Israeli lobby pressure Qatar into shelving the Al Jazeera documentary on the
lobby in America, they also shook them down for money.
Qatar donated $250,000 to some of the most extreme pro-Israel organizations in the United
States, including one that funds senior Israeli military officers to go on propaganda
tours.
Joseph Allaham, a lobbyist working for the Qatari government, transferred the money through
his firm Lexington Strategies in late 2017 and early 2018.
The sums included $100,000 to the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), $100,000 to Our
Soldiers Speak and $50,000 for Blue Diamond Horizons, Inc.
The USA idea about justice is best expressed by a USA law, allowing an invasion of the
Netherlands, if a USA citizen would be in the The Hague prison of the International
Court.
To liberate this USA citizen.
" far the Russia-phobia in the West has robbed people of their ability to see what is right
in front of them "
Nothing new, in the 30ties Kennan was unable to make USA ambassador Davies see through
Stalin's show trials.
George F. Kennan, ´Memoirs 1925 – 1950', New York 1967, 1972
" American politicians like Senators John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Ben Cardin and
ex-Senator Joe Lieberman "
American? I beg to differ. All of those turncoats serve their Master Israel and kiss
the nether regions of those TBTF Wall Street Casinos.
Browder is one of those nine Russian oligarchs – eight of whom are Jews – who
stole hundreds of billions from Russia when it was decompressing from being the USSR, helped
by the drunken buffoon Yeltsin and a battery of Wall Street financial sharpies who also
filled their pockets.
Watch the tough guy Browder run like a scared bunny rabbit in NYC from a process
server.
Browder needs to be arrested by Interpol, tried, convicted and spend the rest of his sorry
life in a Super Max prison for his thefts, frauds and helping to poison the relationship
between the USA & Russia, in an effort to save his sorry ass from prosecution.
"Central to the tale of what Browder really represents is the Magnitsky Act, which the U.S.
Congress passed into law to sanction individual Kremlin officials for their treatment of
alleged whistleblower Sergei Magnitsky, arrested and imprisoned in Russia".
Hmmm. The USA has its whistleblowers, too. Maybe Russia (and other civilized countries)
should impose their own sanctions on all American officials in any way involved with the
persecution of Chelsea Clinton, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and others.
Although the existing US sanctions are a dead letter, since they will not get their hands
on the people they are trying to harm, they still give the world a wholly misleading
impression.
The sanctions insidiously suggest to the people and governments of the world that the US
government is somehow entitled to decide what is legal and what is illegal everywhere –
not just within its own jurisdiction – and moreover that it has the power to be
prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner against any of the world's citizens.
That is wrong, illegal, immoral, and unconscionable, and should not be tolerated.
"Yeltsin had won a fraudulent election in 1996 supported by the oligarch-controlled
media and by President Bill Clinton, who secured a $20.2 billion IMF loan that enabled him
to buy support. Today we would refer to Clinton's action as "interference in the 1996
election," but at that time a helpless and bankrupt Russia was not well placed to object
to what was being done to it."
[emphasis mine]
So Mother Russia was raped, and by Bill Clinton, of all people. Where is the outrage?
Andrei Nekrasov's documentary is absolutely damning – how, after viewing it, could
anybody see Browder as anything but a shameless serial liar? The closest I can find on the internet to a rebuttal is from the Daily Beast:
Ooops, I posted this comment before seeing that this video was already posted above in the
article. I got a link to it from an entirely different source. It shows how it's getting
around! Good.
Although I posted this comment under another thread, I think it bears repeating here
(especially relevant to your point is the bolded part):
I think debunking the vulture capitalist Bill Browder's false claim of being, of all
things, a human rights advocate is the key to unraveling the Russia-gate hoax. I also think
the following information goes a long way in doing that:
1. Nekrasov's documentary, The Magnitsky Act: Behind The Scenes, now available for
viewing
2. Alex Krainer's The Killing of William Browder, now available online; and
3. Bill Browder's Previzon deposition in which he claims "I can't remember" at least 50
times and answers "I don't know" fully 211 times.
Notwithstanding these facts, it appears Mr. Browder is an untouchable. The Russians
have issued a Red Notice at least six times and he has managed to walk away scot free on
each occasion.
The zinger was when the Senate Judiciary Committee invited him to testify as an expert
witness against Fusion GPS, arguing that it should have registered under FARA because it
was working on behalf of a foreign government, in this case the Russian. The irony of this
scene was incredible. The hallowed chamber in which this inquiry took place is completely
bought and paid for by The Lobby but not a peep about having it register under FARA.
Totally surreal!
An interesting thing about this that has gone almost completely unreported is that HSBC
quietly held a series of closed-door meetings with Russian authorities earlier this year
regarding the tax fraud charges leveled at Browder and his businesses (HSBC jointly managed
Hermitage) and decided to pay up some of the cash he illegally siphoned out of the country
(22 million dollars I believe, so a drop in the ocean given the scale of his endeavors, but
it's something.)
"Bill Browder declined to comment" according to one of the few articles on the matter.
Isn't all of that more or less tantamount to an admission of guilt?
(2) How does a respectable congress pass a law based solely on the testimony of someone
convicted of a crime by another country? No jury in the world would reach a verdict based
solely on the word of a convict, without it being substantiated by numerous pieces of other
circumstantial and direct evidence.
(3) Even if he paid everyone oodles of money and brought a thousand lawsuits, why would
gazillionaire corporations cave in to his demands to ban books, movies, organizations,
etc.?
There is something more powerful about Bill Browder than just his pile of money.
In fact, most (not all) US lawmakers long ago became a euphemism for incompetence,
corruption and lies. So, no–modern US Congress is not respectable by people and numbers
reflect that. Hopefully, sometime in the future, some honorable and loyal to their country
people will make it there.
Browder is a Zionist Bolshevik of the stripe that murdered some 60 million Russians from 1917
to 1957 and as such is not only an enemy of Russia but an even greater enemy of America and
is a typical communist who wrecks and destroys countries.
Read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION, Browder is a poster boy for these thieves and murderers .
The 'Netherlands Invasion Act' is a former fact popularized by Noam Chomsky. The
Netherlands invasion provisions were quietly repealed because it was too embarrassing and
disruptive to US policy. What remains is a prohibition against US assistance to certain
criminal investigations. Putin poked at the same neuralgic spot in Helsinki when he proposed
reciprocity in mutual legal assistance. The issue is US impunity for war propaganda and
coercive interference.
The US government has asserted a specific reservation to the international prohibition of
war propaganda (ICCPR Article 20.) And legal experts are chipping away at the nonsense
rationale behind the US reservation. The US claims it is defending free speech, so Article 19
and other NGOs propose an important distinction:
. Dumb broke Joe Blow with his bumper sticker that says Make Iran a Parking Lot
. Concerted government and media campaigns advocating war.
Only the latter constitutes illegal war propaganda, which is illegal under conventional
international law (UN Charter Article 2(4)), customary international law (E/Conf. 6/C.i/ig of
1948 and other resolutions), and legal precedent (Nuremberg Count 1).
So when Russia gets fed up and decapitates the US regime, Browder will be in the cage at
the war crimes tribunal under the Streicher, Fritzsche, Dietrich, and von Weizsaeker
Nuremberg precedents.
Where is the outrage? You ain't gonna get it from Big Media, who sold out a long time ago.
BM has all but ignored the Clinton Administration collusion with Yeltsin in the Russian 1996
election. It was an, er, "inconvenient truth."
Can someone help me remember the names of those 9 oligarchs?
These are the ones I remember:
1) Anatoly Chubais
2) Browder
3) Boris Berezovsky
4) Mikhail Khodorkovsky
5) Vladimir Gusinsky
Who were the others? Thanks.
Of these 5, Chubais remained in Russia but the others fled. Chubais was the one who was
instrumental in starting the loans-for-shares scheme. My understanding is that those who fled
are real scum, since Putin offered all oligarchs the chance to keep their money so long as
they avoided politics. Most vulture capitalists agreed to this arrangement, but the worst of
the Jewish oligarchs were too greedy and lustful to give in. So I have heard, anyway.
"... In Brussels, Trump attacked Frau Merkel. How does she dare to buy Russian gas, if Germany faces a Russian threat? ..."
"... NATO is an instrument of American control over Europe, and Washington keeps dozens of bases in Europe, in particular – in Germany. Germany has remained under American occupation since 1945. This would seem good for America, but the occupied and controlled Western European states are tied to the Clinton camp, to Democrats and liberals. They do not accept Trump as their rightful sovereign. And Europe does not pay for its occupation, so it is costly. Of course, it is a great honour to occupy and control the great powers of the past, England, France, the Netherlands, Spain. But it costs a lot of money for America. Likewise, in 1990 Russia discovered that it is expensive to control surly East Germany, independent Poland, sunny Georgia, tricky Armenia, populous Uzbekistan and the rainy Baltic States. ..."
"... Russians are in a very uncomfortable seat. All their neighbours are subject to American pressure to annoy Russia, be it Georgia (once they even attacked Russia militarily being led by American and Israeli advisers) or the Ukraine (Americans arranged a coup d'état and installed extremely hostile to Russia government in Kiev). American military bases surround Russia and NATO troops drew closer and closer to its centres. American military budget of 600 billion dollars dwarfs the Russian one, while the armaments' race can undermine Russian finances. If Russia were a woman, she would scream: stop it! ..."
"... From the beginning to the end, the US media was highly hostile to Trump and to his mission in Europe. They eagerly followed anti-Trump demos and exaggerated his every blunder. Google obediently trailed at the top Twitter messages of the ex-CIA boss calling Trump 'a traitor'. All prominent Western newspapers spoke of Trump's 'treason'. ..."
"... In the current Russophobian climate, it would have been impossible to concede almost anything to Russia, and V. Putin understands this. But as Russiagate unravels ever so slowly, he will have more room. But as long as both leaders agreed not to start WWIII , something has been achieved, therefore I also believe the Iran threats to be posturing, it would make sense if Russia have calmed Israel, what the current situation indicates. ..."
"... The US knows fully well than an Iran war would not be winnable and bring the rest of the world together; the world has not yet overcome the last financial crisis, a new largescale war in the ME could very well crash the Global economy and the petrodollar. Nobody are keen on that. ..."
an orange hurricane, President Trump
made a stormy visit to the Old World. Usually American presidents' visits to Europe present photo
opportunities and vows of eternal love and friendship. Not this time. Since the Mongol invasion, not many
visitors from outside shook Europe like he did. The US President has finally emerged from the cage built by
his political adversaries, and begun to say things his voters wanted to hear.
However, his wonderful daring statements were quickly undermined and
disowned by his ministers and advisers, creating the feeling that Trump speaks only for himself, while the
US administration, his own appointees say the opposite. And then he also repudiated his own statements,
saying he was misunderstood.
The American president increasingly resembles the hero of
The Prince
and The Pauper
, the poor boy who accidentally became a king – and began to behave in a non-royal way:
showing mercy and caring for people. His own staff disregards his commands. Trump says what people like to
hear, but his administration sticks to the original course.
During the first part of his trip he acted a rebel in Wodehouse World with
its feeble men and formidable women. Indeed the West is ruled by formidable aunts and elder sisters. Aunt
Angela in Germany, Aunt Theresa in England, Aunt Brigitte in France. Only Aunt Hillary is missing to
complete the puzzle and establish the rule of Aunties over their hen-pecked nephews.
(Hillary's defeat didn't derail the Aunties' program of emasculation:
#MeToo campaign goes on unabated. Men are afraid to flirt with girls. Henry (
The
Superman
) Cavill admitted as much in an interview, saying that flirting with somebody would be like
"casting myself into the fires of hell", as a person in the public eye. "I think a woman should be wooed and
chased", he said, but it could lead to jail. He was immediately attacked for this heresy: "If Henry Cavill
doesn't want to be called a rapist then all he has to do is not rape anyone", implausibly they claimed. And
he apologised profusely.)
Trump's trip had been accompanied by mass
protest demos. Normally I am all in favour of a good anti-American demo, but in this case, the protesters
were extreme feminists and supporters of unlimited immigration. That's people who like the Aunties, and hate
Uncles. They do not mind conflict with Russia and even consider Trump as a "Russian agent". They dislike
that he does not obey Aunties.
In the second part of the tour, Trump had met with the formidable Mr
Putin, a real man. Now that we have learned from our reliable sources what had happened in the palatial
halls of Helsinki (excepting face-to-face private talk with Putin) we can describe Trump's Pilgrim's
Progress and share our knowledge and conclusions with you.
In short, President Trump made the right sounds and called for right
solutions, but he has been unable to insist on any. If he were a free man of his own mind, this trip would
transform the world. The way things are, it will remain a sign of his honourable intentions, for everything
he said has been overturned and denied by his aides.
In Brussels, Trump attacked Frau Merkel.
How does she dare to buy Russian gas, if Germany faces a Russian threat? Why does it accept immigrants and
refugees who undermine the European way of life? Saying that, he sided with "the populists", the Italians,
Hungarians and Austrians, whose top politicians are male and friendly to Trump and Putin.
The Brussels meeting almost came to an
undoing of NATO. Trump hinted that the US would leave NATO unless they pay. They have to pay more, much
more, if they want to have American protection.
Could he mean it? NATO is an instrument
of American control over Europe, and Washington keeps dozens of bases in Europe, in particular – in Germany.
Germany has remained under American occupation since 1945. This would seem good for America, but the
occupied and controlled Western European states are tied to the Clinton camp, to Democrats and liberals.
They do not accept Trump as their rightful sovereign. And Europe does not pay for its occupation, so it is
costly. Of course, it is a great honour to occupy and control the great powers of the past, England, France,
the Netherlands, Spain. But it costs a lot of money for America. Likewise, in 1990 Russia discovered that it
is expensive to control surly East Germany, independent Poland, sunny Georgia, tricky Armenia, populous
Uzbekistan and the rainy Baltic States.
There is no certainty that the countries of Europe will agree to pay and
submit to Trump's demands. In Germany, there are growing voices demanding the Yankees be sent home, that is,
to ask the American soldiers to leave Germany. It would be good if NATO were to disintegrate and disappear,
like the Warsaw Treaty Organization disappeared. Trump has repeatedly said that he wants to return the
American soldiers home. Perhaps we shall witness Pax Americana without American troops in Europe, like
England fictitiously claimed to belong to the Roman Empire, though Roman legions had left, and Rome lost all
interest in foggy Albion.
In England, Trump confronted Mrs May.
She reminded him of his school mistress, and Donald does not like school mistresses. The soft Brexit, which
she intends to conclude, is a complete bummer, not a Brexit, he said. Under the proposed treaty, all
prerogatives remain in Brussels. So, there can be no trade agreement between the United States and Britain.
America will negotiate directly with Brussels. And in general, it would be better if May transferred Downing
Street 10 to her former Foreign Secretary, a hard-line Brexit supporter, the red-headed Bojo (as the Brits
call Boris Johnson, who had just resigned, resenting the proposed plan for soft Brexit).
The European Union is an American
design, too. Why, then, does the US President want to undermine it by removing the UK, his own Trojan Horse?
Apparently, it means that the globalist forces have entered a state of direct confrontation with America.
This first part of Trump's tour had been
followed by the Kremlin with satisfaction. The Kremlin also believes that NATO has become obsolete, and that
Brexit is the right step. Russia instinctively disapproves of mass migration, just like Trump.
ORDER IT NOW
Trump's meeting with President Putin had
been postponed for a year; both men were eager to meet. Trump wanted to meet another strong man, a powerful
chieftain who can assist him in building a new world, instead of the one created under Obama, by media and
Supreme Court Judges. President Putin wanted to solve bilateral issues and to ease American pressure upon
Russia.
Their problems were very different. The
main problems of Trump were Mme Clinton and Barack Obama, and the whole army of their obstinate followers
who didn't recognise Trump's legitimacy. Putin couldn't do much for him, with all his sympathy.
Putin's problem is the hybrid warfare
carried out by the United States against Russia. Despite accusations you hear in your media (alleged Russian
ads in the Facebook and Twitter influencing voters), American pressure on Russia is very real and very
painful. American officials try to wreck every international deal Russia attempts to clinch. It is not only,
or even mainly about weapons. If a country A wants to sell Russians, say, bananas, the US ambassador will
come to A's king, or his minister, and will expressly forbid him to sell bananas to godless Russians.
Otherwise, do not expect the US aid, or do not count on US favours in your disputes with your neighbours, or
the US won't buy your production, or US banks will take another long and jaundiced view at your financial
transactions. You witnessed the
scene
, when the crazed Nikki Haley, the US Ambassador to the UN, threatened sovereign nations with
severe punishment for voting against the US desires, so you have an idea of American delicacy and caution
while pushing their will through.
Russians are in a very uncomfortable
seat. All their neighbours are subject to American pressure to annoy Russia, be it Georgia (once they even
attacked
Russia militarily being led by American and Israeli advisers) or the Ukraine (Americans arranged a
coup d'état
and installed extremely hostile to Russia government in Kiev). American military bases
surround Russia and NATO troops drew closer and closer to its centres. American military budget of 600
billion dollars dwarfs the Russian one, while the armaments' race can undermine Russian finances. If Russia
were a woman, she would scream: stop it!
Perhaps our colleague
Mr Andrei Martyanov
is right and the US can't destroy Russia militarily; perhaps
Immanuel Wallerstein
is correct and American power is in decline; but meanwhile the US is perfectly able
to make life hard and difficult for any state. It made life unbearably hard for North Korea, extremely hard
for Iran. Russia is not doing half as good as she could do without ceaseless American meddling.
President Putin would like Trump to
relent. There is no reason for this incessant picking on Russia; it is not Communist anymore; it is much
smaller and less populous than the former USSR; it wants to live in peace as a member of the family of
nations, not as a great alternative. The anti-Russian offensive began in earnest in the days of previous US
presidents, namely Obama and Clinton; so it would make sense for Trump to stop it.
Problem is, President Trump is also
actively engaged in war against Russia. Just a few days ago he pressured the German Chancellor to give up on
the North Stream-2, to stop buying Russian gas. His advisers demanded that Turkey desist from buying a
Russian antimissile system. The US Air Force bombed Russian troops in Syria.
Still Putin made a good try. He proposed
to hold a referendum in the Donbas area of Eastern Ukraine which is presently independent though lacking
international recognition. The people of Donbas had their own referendum in 2014, and voted for
independence; Kiev regime and its Western sponsors denied its validity as it was done under Russian army's
protection, they claimed. Now Putin proposed a re-run under international auspices.
Trump ostensibly agreed, he said it was
a good idea, and he asked for the opinion of John Bolton, his national security advisor; Bolton confirmed it
was a good idea. This was in Helsinki; however, since then the idea had been rejected by the Americans, as
the Kiev regime balked at it. The regime knows well that the people of Eastern Ukraine aren't likely to opt
for their tender mercies, and Trump administration won't push Kiev to agree to secession, or to abide by the
Minsk agreements and let them re-join federal Ukraine as an autonomous unit. So this haemorrhaging wound at
the western border of Russia will bleed on.
As for Syria, Putin told Trump that he
agreed upon the arrangements with Mr Netanyahu to keep Iranians and their militias at some 80 km away from
the disengagement (1974) lines at the Golan Heights. (Iranians are now going through a difficult stretch and
they accepted this solution without a murmur.) This was acceptable to Trump, and both presidents stressed
that they value Israeli security highly.
(They have differing reasons for it.
Putin wants Syria to remain in peace under his protégé and ally President Bashar Assad, and for this, he
needs some security arrangements with pugnacious Israel. Putin is aware of Jewish state's ability to pull
strings and he doesn't want to antagonise it. Putin also wants Trump to be happy, and Israel is a point of
huge importance for the US President, much more than for Putin.
Trump sacrifices at the altar of Israel
to propitiate the Jews he is fighting in the US. Trump fights everything American Jews stand for, against
all they achieved recently. He wants to have them back in the cash flow cubicle, the 'short guys that wear
yarmulkes every day', counting his notes. They want much, much more: they wish to dominate and rule America
their own way. Trump is ready to give all he can to Israel, so the American Jews will be less eager to fight
him.
This ploy had been tried by the German
National-Socialists in 1930s, who gave the Zionist-Socialists the most profitable
Ha'avara deal
to offset and overcome hostility of American Jews. It failed then, it is likely to fail
again, but not before the Zionists will get all they dream of.)
For North Korea, Putin lauded Trump's
move and said he will keep playing a supportive role to American efforts.
ORDER IT NOW
For the bogus "Russian interference in
the US elections", Putin proposed to establish a bilateral expert group for cyber security. Let experts deal
with experts, and sort out the claims, he said. Trump agreed with the idea, though his advisers were quick
to repudiate it upon their return to Washington.
Putin also proposed to allow
cross-examinations on the reciprocity basis: the US investigators will travel to Russia and interrogate
Russian officials indicted by Mueller's team; while Russian investigators will travel to the US and
interrogate Ambassador McFaul for his participation in
Browder affair
. Trump had been impressed by the generous offer; but as he returned to Washington, McFaul
(falsely) claimed Trump intends to send him to the Gulag, and Trump's advisers promptly repudiated the
proposal.
Putin did not intend to arrest and
detain McFaul, just to question him; likewise, he wouldn't permit Mueller investigators to carry Russian
intelligence officers to a Guantanamo of their choice, just to ask them questions. The Browder Affair grows
bigger as time goes: though the rascal was not the biggest of Russian assets' looters, he was the most
outspoken and keen on hanging on the stolen goods. The US advisers from top-league universities implanted in
the Yeltsin administration in 1990s had stolen more; they also facilitated creation of the mighty oligarchs
of that time. However, Browder had more tenacity and he judiciously invested a lion share of his ill-gotten
profits in bribes aiming to suborn the US administration and turn it onto relentless pursuit of Russia.
Ambassador McFaul fronted for him and covered his misdeeds; while McFaul tried to interfere in Russian
electoral process following the precedent established in 1996.
Thus at Helsinki, a pattern had been
established, I was told by a witness. Putin would make a proposal, Trump would tentatively agree and
promptly deny and repudiate on return to Washington.
From the beginning to the end, the
US media was highly hostile to Trump and to his mission in Europe. They eagerly followed anti-Trump demos
and exaggerated his every blunder. Google obediently trailed at the top Twitter messages of the ex-CIA boss
calling Trump 'a traitor'. All prominent Western newspapers spoke of Trump's 'treason'.
Perhaps they would be able to convince
some Republicans to follow their trend, but the
defeat of Rep. Mark Sanford
in South Carolina primaries following Trump's angry Twitter had brought them
to their senses. A Republican leader stated the case well: "Obviously there are going to be those who are
going to criticise him but they're going to criticise him for anything that he says. This committee stands
strong, stands behind him and wants to support him. We're interested not only in the 2018 elections, we're
interested in the 2020 elections as well."
The
result
of violent Trump-is-a-traitor campaign was surprising: 80% of Trump voters approved of his
Helsinki shtick, notwithstanding the vehement accusations. American media had lost its silver touch.
President may continue to build his power structure, and perhaps one day his word will be worth something.
Putin mentioned BILL BROWDER, and Lee Stranahan's twitter caught fire!
Crack the Deep State matrix.
Join Lee's campaign to make Senators answer the question,
"Have you seen Bill Browder's deposition in the
U.S. vs. Prevezon Holdings case?"
Full research links, including testimony, here -
Trump sacrifices at the altar of Israel to propitiate the Jews he is fighting in the US. Trump fights
everything American Jews stand for, against all they achieved recently. He wants to have them back in the
cash flow cubicle, the 'short guys that wear yarmulkes every day', counting his notes. They want much,
much more: they wish to dominate and rule America their own way. Trump is ready to give all he can to
Israel, so the American Jews will be less eager to fight him.
This could well be right, with Trump's slavish pro-Israel stance designed to get (some) US Jews off his
back.
The implication is that there is a split between US Jewry and the Israeli's, which seems likely since US
Jews want to dominate and rule America, whereas Israeli Jews want to dominate and rule the Middle East
(different concepts).
The Israeli project is a costly affair for the US, and is leading straight towards an Iran war which
could well duplicate the cost of Iraq. If it happens, the US will inevitably be weakened and further
impoverished – maybe more obviously this time as the US has reached its debt limit – with a guaranteed
increase in social unrest.
US Jewry couldn't care less if the US population is impoverished, but there is the issue that social
unrest builds support for Trump, so Israeli action on Iran may force US Jewry to deal with increased US
popular nationalism – with the (US elite Jewish) instinctive reaction to go for repression.
Basically US Jewry wants to be an untouchable minority elite (US Neo-Bolshevism) but the transition to
totalitarianism can be tricky, and the Israelis may be dangerously accelerating the process for them.
" Problem is, President Trump is also actively engaged in war against Russia. Just a few days ago he
pressured the German Chancellor to give up on the North Stream-2, to stop buying Russian gas. His advisers
demanded that Turkey desist from buying a Russian antimissile system. The US Air Force bombed Russian troops
in Syria. "
As Trump said 'Russia is not a friend, nor a foe, but a competitor.
In Helsinki the gas price was discussed.
I wonder if Shamir understands what's going on, unique in history, the leader of an empire giving up that
empire, because he sees keeping it, even more expanding it, as neocons, AIPAC, AEI, want, is suicide.
"Indeed the West is ruled by formidable aunts and elder sisters."
Better characterised as childless Harpies, agents of globalist punishment, who defecate on the countries
and cultures they purport to represent and torture their people as they carry them down into the abyss of
Tartarus.
In the current Russophobian climate, it would have been impossible to concede almost anything to Russia, and
V. Putin understands this. But as Russiagate unravels ever so slowly, he will have more room. But as long as
both leaders agreed not to start WWIII , something has been achieved, therefore I also believe the Iran
threats to be posturing, it would make sense if Russia have calmed Israel, what the current situation
indicates.
The US knows fully well than an Iran war would not be winnable and bring the rest of the world together; the
world has not yet overcome the last financial crisis, a new largescale war in the ME could very well crash
the Global economy and the petrodollar. Nobody are keen on that.
There are numerous agendas and countless anti-Trump saboteurs at play in this latest escalation.
Nevertheless, it is in America's economic and security interests (as well as Russia's) to ease military
tensions and seek normalized relations.
Why not?
After all, the USSR collapsed nearly 3o years ago. And with it died the 'cold war'. America now trades
with communist China. So why not Christian Russia? What's the real roadblock? The last election? That's impossible to believe. Russian 'interference' (if it occurred at all) was not decisive. And what
Russia is alleged to have done is not unique or particularly unusual. Besides, the new cold war with Russia had been brewing for years. So what's behind it all?
This is where the oversized Israeli footprint in US politics rears its ugly head. International Zionists have their not-so-secret list of 'demands'. This list gets Washington's attention. So here's the Israeli deal: Russia's alliance with Iran and Syria must be 'contained' and diminshed. And
Putin–unless he capitulates–must be kept in his box, isolated. This is what Israel wants. Trump must accommodate–or try to accommodate–these demands. Israel's influence is too great to ignore.
The Zionist master plan is simple: continue the break-up of the Arab (and Persian) worlds into smaller,
compliant, non-democratic autocracies or puny, fragmented religious orthodoxies. Sound crazy? Not at all. In Israel's mind, we're already most of the way there.
Starting soon after 911, Zio-Washington initiated a war that crushed Iraq and set back its culture,
economy and military capabilities decades. Ditto on Libya. Syria has also been severely damaged. This is all
good news to Israel. But the job of re-making the Middle East to Israel's liking remains unfinished. Assad's Syria (with Russian and Iranian help) is about to emerge–if not victorious–then intact, after
years of Zio-American meddling and covert warfare. Assad survives but Israel has not given up. Syria remains
weak.
Next step: using Washington's awesome military and intelligence capabilities, global Zionism is now
embarking on a campaign that will attempt to destabilize Iran without using US bombs or missiles. How?
Hundreds of millions of US dollars have just been earmarked to target Iran's existing regime through
propaganda, sabotage and subterfuge. The ongoing Zionist-lead BDS campaign against Iran is about to hit an
even higher gear. This is another act of war against the people of Iran.
Yet no one seems to care. There's simply no discussion or dissent. It's simply Zio-America's next target. For the safety of Israel, Iran must fall.
Talk about direct interference in another country's sovereign affairs! What Zio-Washington is doing to
Iran makes 'Russiagate' look absolutely insignificant in comparison, even if every exaggerated assertion was
true. Yet no one protests.
Not the pundits. Not the politicians. Not even the anti-war Left. Either they're too frightened or
they're complicit.
Duplicity, dirty deeds, and double standards is how Zio-Washington rolls. And Israel wouldn't have it any other way.
Zionist power is simply too vast, too effective and too unrelenting to resist–even for a US President.
But Trump's objective to 'Make America Great Again' is up against Israel's presumption that it can direct US
policies to it liking. Can this marriage survive?
Can Trump serve two masters?
The inevitable clash ahead is why Trump is under so much media and political pressure. The Zions want to
keep him under pressure and off balance. Also, there is the simmering, embarrassing, unresolved matter of Palestine. The native goyim there are
still resisting. This fact too, is as astonishing as it is shameful.
The refusal of Israel to give back land, allow independence, and cut a deal that would allow Palestine
autonomy after decades of Israeli occupation and endless 'talks' speaks volumes about Israeli ruthlessness.
The 'Two State Solution' failed because Israel decided that it didn't want an independent and sovereign
Palestinian state. To the Israelis, the sad plight of the Palestinian people matters not.
And even Washington is not powerful enough to force Israel to return to the Palestinians the land that
the Jewish state snatched in its preemptive 1967 war. So the 'peace process' gradually died.
But as the talks dragged on, Israel expanded its borders, built Jewish settlements in Palestine, gained
greater militarily power, cultivated its regional influence (and power in Washington), and increased its
GDP.
Palestine on the other hand, achieved none of those things. Conditions have actually worsened. At this
point, all the Palestinians can do is hold on or surrender.
Meanwhile, it's clear that Israel's race-conscious majority want the native non-Jews out of the Jewish
State. This political 'value' can now be seen for what it is.
Can the torture of Palestine go on indefinitely?–or must Israel soon act ruthlessly and decisively?
One option is for the Jewish state to radically increase colonization of the Occupied Territories and
begin the forcible transfer of non-Jews into Jordan, Egypt or Syria.
Ironically, Meir Kahane's racist, reviled (but prophetic) proclamation (and book) 'They [the Arabs] Must
Go' has finally found its audience. Israel's 'national socialist' values are showing. Even Trump is being held hostage. Can Trump shake the Zionist monkey off his back?–or will he have to
obediently target all the usual bad guys: Iran, Hamas, Russia and Assad?
Israel orchestrates. Washington executes. And the sad story continues.
Trump is but another example of the Zionist control of the American government and Trumps pissing backwards
in his statements at the Helsinki news conference is the Zionist deep state in action for all the world to
see. Trump is a puppet of the Zionists who surround him and who hold the paper on his real estate house of
cards and so he does what he is told as the only other option is the JFK route and obviously he has made the
right choice for him but not for America.
Zionist control of American was proven on 911 when Israel and
the zionist deep state did 911 and got away with it and every thinking American knows they did it.
Trump has always been speaking out of both sides of his mouth, so his agreeing and disagreeing with the
"intelligence community" at the same time is all in a day's work for him. It seems to me that he is just
playing for time – he may of course still lose bigly in the end, but he has not yet conceded defeat.
"Yes, the Aspen Institute is the CIA and the CIA is the Aspen Institute"
Notable quotes:
"... CIA manages transnational organized crime to top up their budget for unauthorized clandestine operations, like killing JFK. CIA protects its criminal protégés with their chartered impunity. ..."
"... RFK knew how it works. RFK junior explained the reason for RFK's focus on organized-crime until CIA whacked him. That's why his book was made to sink without a ripple. ..."
"... Evenfurthermore, CIA is the government and the government is CIA. Decades ago Fletcher Prouty showed that CIA's deepest-cover illegal moles are embedded in our own government. Every agency with repressive capacity is infiltrated with focal points, who report to CIA handlers without the other agency's knowledge. ..."
"... Of course Israel is trying to infiltrate it -- they understand the levers of power. ..."
"... Assange has got some mighty stinkers in his insurance file. All we can do is hope they're enough to destabilize the CIA Reich that has ruled America since 1949. ..."
Yes, the Aspen Institute is the CIA and the CIA is the Aspen Institute. Or, to be more precise, the CIA is the armed wing of Washington's
permanently governing technocratic party, in the same way the KGB was the armed wing of the Soviet Communist Party.
Poor Julian Assange is likely going to be in their hands not too long from now. The citizen of one Five Eyes country will be arrested
by another and then sent off to the imperial metropole, to be kicked around like a political football. The rest of us Anglosphericals
are expected to cheer or remain silent. Either is acceptable.
Yup. Furthermore, CIA is organized crime and organized crime is CIA. CIA recruits and runs agents in favored criminal syndicates
in every illicit trade: drugs, child sexual trafficking, arms, fraud, bustouts, extortion, money laundering. Their purpose is
not to interdict the trade but to control it.
CIA manages transnational organized crime to top up their budget for unauthorized clandestine operations, like killing
JFK. CIA protects its criminal protégés with their chartered impunity.
They call off law enforcement with the magic words national security or 'sources and methods.' If the plan gets exposed, CIA's
criminal cutouts insulate the agency from exposure.
RFK knew how it works. RFK junior explained the reason for RFK's focus on organized-crime until CIA whacked him. That's
why his book was made to sink without a ripple.
Evenfurthermore, CIA is the government and the government is CIA. Decades ago Fletcher Prouty showed that CIA's deepest-cover
illegal moles are embedded in our own government. Every agency with repressive capacity is infiltrated with focal points, who
report to CIA handlers without the other agency's knowledge.
Of course Israel is trying to infiltrate it -- they understand the levers of power.
Assange has got some mighty stinkers in his insurance file. All we can do is hope they're enough to destabilize the CIA
Reich that has ruled America since 1949.
"... The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion ..."
"... The International Jew ..."
"... The New York Journal-American ..."
"... The Times of London ..."
"... Trotsky in New York, 1917 ..."
"... The Black Book of Communism ..."
"... Dearborn Independent ..."
"... The Dearborn Independent ..."
"... The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem ..."
"... The International Jew ..."
"... The Atlantic Monthly ..."
"... Century Magazine ..."
"... The International Jew ..."
"... The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. ..."
"... The International Jew ..."
"... Times of London ..."
"... The International Jew ..."
"... The International Jew ..."
"... The Dearborn Independent ..."
"... Congressional Record ..."
"... Times of London ..."
"... The Last Days of the Romanovs ..."
"... The New World Order ..."
"... The Jewish Century ..."
"... The International Jew ..."
"... If anybody ever benefited from the Bolshevik revolution – it was the workers in the west, primarily US. ..."
"... The October revolution forced the capitalists to make concessions to the working class that they wouldn't have otherwise made simply out of their good natured kind hearts. ..."
"... If the Jews were so diabolical to unleash the Bolshevik revolution because of sinister motives only, how come that they didn't predict that it's going to hurt their profit margins in the US – via increased wages and benefits that they were forced to pay in order to keep the working class calm – out of fear that the Bolshevik revolution might have given them some ideas about conducting feasibility study of staging a copycat revolution. ..."
In my unjustified arrogance, I also sometimes relished a sense of seeing obvious things that
magazine or newspaper journalists got so completely wrong, mistakes which often slipped into
historical narratives as well. For example, discussions of the titanic 20th century military
struggles between Germany and Russia quite often made casual references to the traditional
hostility between those two great peoples, who for centuries had stood as bitter rivals,
representing the eternal struggle of Slav against Teuton for dominion over Eastern Europe.
Although the bloodstained history of the two world wars made that notion seem obvious, it
was factually mistaken. Prior to 1914, those two great peoples had not fought against each
other for the previous 150 years, and even the Seven Years' War of the mid-18th century had
involved a Russian alliance with Germanic Austria against Germanic Prussia, hardly amounting to
a conflict along civilizational lines. Russians and Germans had been staunch allies during the
endless Napoleonic wars, closely cooperated during the Metterich and Bismarck Eras that
followed, while even as late as 1904, Germany had supported Russia in its unsuccessful war
against Japan. Later, Weimar Germany and Soviet Russia had a period of close military
cooperation during the 1920s, the Hitler-Stalin Pact of 1939 marked the beginning of the Second
World War, and during the long Cold War, the USSR had no more loyal a satellite than East
Germany. Perhaps two dozen years of hostility over the last three centuries, with good
relations or even outright alliance during most of the remainder, hardly suggested that
Russians and Germans were hereditary enemies.
Moreover, throughout much of that period, Russia's ruling elite had had a considerable
Germanic tinge. Russia's legendary Catherine the Great had been a German princess by birth, and
over the centuries so many Russian rulers had taken German wives that the later Czars of the
Romanov dynasty were usually more German than Russian. Russia itself had a substantial but
heavily assimilated German population, which was very well represented in elite political
circles, with German names being quite common among government ministers and sometimes found
among important military commanders. Even a top leader of the Decembrist revolt of the early
19th century had had German ancestry but was a zealous Russian-nationalist in his ideology.
Under the governance of this mixed Russian and German ruling class, the Russian Empire had
steadily risen to become one of the world's foremost powers. Indeed, given its vast size,
manpower, and resources, combined with one of the world's fastest economic growth rates and a
natural increase in total population that was not far behind, a 1914 observer might have easily
pegged it to soon dominate the European continent and perhaps even much of the world, just as
Tocqueville had famously prophesized in the early decades of the 19th century. A crucial
underlying cause of the First World War was Britain's belief that only a preventative war could
forestall a rising Germany, but I suspect that an important secondary cause was the parallel
German notion that similar measures were necessary against a rising Russia.
Obviously, this entire landscape was totally transformed by the Bolshevik Revolution of
1917, which swept the old order from power, massacring much of its leadership and forcing the
remainder to flee, thereby ushering in the modern world era of ideological and revolutionary
regimes. I grew up during the final decades of the long Cold War, when the Soviet Union stood
as America's great international adversary, so the history of that revolution and its aftermath
always fascinated me. During college and graduate school I probably read at least one hundred
books in that general topic, devouring the brilliant works of Solzhenistyn and Sholokhov, the
thick historical volumes of mainstream academic scholars such as Adam Ulam and Richard Pipes,
as well as the writings of leading Soviet dissidents such as Roy Medvedev, Andrei Sakharov, and
Andrei Amalrik. I was fascinated by the tragic story of how Stalin outmaneuvered Trotsky and
his other rivals, leading to the massive purges of the 1930s as Stalin's growing paranoia
produced such gigantic loss of life.
I was not so totally naive that I did not recognize some of the powerful taboos surrounding
discussion of the Bolsheviks, particularly regarding their ethnic composition. Although most of
the books hardly emphasized the point, anyone with a careful eye for the occasional sentence or
paragraph would surely know that Jews were enormously over-represented among the top
revolutionaries, with three of Lenin's five potential successors -- Trotsky, Zinoviev, and
Kamenev -- all coming from that background, along with many, many others within the top
Communist leadership. Obviously, this was wildly disproportionate in a country having a Jewish
population of perhaps 4%, and surely helped explain the large spike in worldwide hostility
towards Jews soon afterward, which sometimes took the most deranged and irrational forms, such
as the popularity of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and Henry Ford's
notorious publication of The International Jew . But with Russian Jews so much more
likely to be educated and urbanized, and suffering from fierce anti-Semitic oppression under
the Czars, everything seemed to make reasonable sense.
Then perhaps fourteen or fifteen years ago, I encountered a rip in my personal space-time
continuum, among the first of many to come.
In this particular instance, an especially rightwing friend of evolutionary theorist Gregory
Cochran had been spending long days browsing the pages of Stormfront , a leading
Internet forum for the Far Right, and having come across a remarkable factual claim, asked me
for my opinion. Allegedly Jacob Schiff, America's leading Jewish banker, had been the crucial
financial supporter of the Bolshevik Revolution, providing the Communist revolutionaries with
$20 million in funding.
My first reaction was that such a notion was utterly ridiculous since a fact so enormously
explosive could not have been ignored by the many dozens of books I had read on the origins of
that revolution. But the source seemed extremely precise. The Knickerbocker columnist
in the February 3, 1949 edition of The New York Journal-American , then one of the
leading local newspapers, wrote that "Today it is estimated by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff,
that the old man sank about 20,000,000 dollars for the final triumph of Bolshevism in
Russia."
Once I checked around a little, I discovered that numerous mainstream accounts described the
enormous hostility of Schiff towards the Czarist regime for its ill-treatment of Jews, and
these days even so establishmentarian a source as Wikipedia's entry on Jacob Schiff notes that
he played a major role financing the Russian Revolution of 1905, as was revealed in the later
memoirs of one of his key operatives. And if you run a search on "jacob schiff bolshevik
revolution" numerous other references come up, representing a wide variety of different
positions and degrees of credibility. One very interesting statement appears in the memoirs of Henry
Wickham Steed , editor of The Times of London and one of the foremost
international journalists of his era. He very matter-of-factly mentions that Schiff, Warburg
and the other top Jewish international bankers were among the leading backers of the Jewish
Bolsheviks, through whom they hoped to gain an opportunity for the Jewish exploitation of
Russia, and he describes their lobbying efforts on behalf of their Bolshevik allies at the 1919
Paris Peace Conference following the end of the First World War.
Even the very recent and highly skeptical 2016 analysis in Kenneth D. Ackerman's 2016 book
Trotsky in New York, 1917 notes that U.S. Military Intelligence reports of the period
directly made that astonishing claim, pointing to Trotsky as the conduit for the heavy
financial backing of Schiff and numerous other Jewish financiers. In 1925 this information was
published in the British Guardian and was widely discussed and accepted throughout the
1920s and 1930s by numerous major media publications, long before Schiff's own grandson
provided a direct confirmation of those facts in 1949. Ackerman rather cavalierly dismisses all
of this considerable contemporaneous evidence as "anti-Semitic" and a "conspiracy story,"
arguing that since Schiff was a notorious conservative who had never shown any sympathy for
socialism in his own American milieu, he surely would not have funded the Bolsheviks.
Now admittedly, a few details might easily have gotten somewhat garbled over time. For
example, although Trotsky quickly became second only to Lenin in the Bolshevik hierarchy, in
early 1917 the two were still bitterly hostile over various ideological disputes, so he
certainly was not then considered a member of that party. And since everyone today acknowledges
that Schiff had heavily financed the failed 1905 Revolution in Russia, it seems perfectly
possible that the $20 million figure mentioned by his grandson refers to the total invested
over the years supporting all the different Russian revolutionary movements and leaders, which
together finally culminated in the establishment of Bolshevik Russia. But with so many
seemingly credible and independent sources all making such similar claims, the basic facts
appear almost indisputable.
Consider the implications of this remarkable conclusion. I would assume that most of
Schiff's funding of revolutionary activities was spent on items such as activist stipends and
bribes, and adjusted for the average family incomes of that era, $20 million would be as much
as $2 billion in present-day money. Surely without such enormous financial support, the
likelihood of any Bolshevik victory would have been far lower, perhaps almost impossible.
When people casually used to joke about the total insanity of "anti-Semitic conspiracy
theories" no better example was ever tossed around than the self-evidently absurd notion that
the international Jewish bankers had created the worldwide Communist movement. And yet by any
reasonable standard, this statement appears to be more or less true, and apparently was widely
known at least in rough form for decades after the Russian Revolution, but had never been
mentioned in any of the numerous more recent histories that shaped my own knowledge of those
events. Indeed, none of these very comprehensive sources ever even mentioned Schiff's name,
although it was universally acknowledged that he had funded the 1905 Revolution, which was
often discussed in enormous detail in many of those very weighty books. What other astonishing
facts might they similarly be concealing?
When someone encounters remarkable new revelations in an area of history in which his
knowledge was rudimentary, being little more than introductory textbooks or History 101
courses, the result is a shock and an embarrassment. But when the same situation occurs in an
area in which he had read tens of thousands of pages in the leading authoritative texts, which
seemingly explored every minor detail, surely his sense of reality begins to crumble.
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In 1999, Harvard University published the English edition of The Black Book of
Communism , whose six co-authors devoted 850 pages to documenting the horrors inflicted
upon the world by that defunct system, which had produced a total death toll they reckoned at
100 million. I have never read that book and I have often heard that the alleged body-count has
been widely disputed. But for me the most remarkable detail is that when I examine the 35 page
index, I see a vast profusion of entries for totally obscure individuals whose names are surely
unknown to all but the most erudite specialist. But there is no entry for Jacob Schiff, the
world-famous Jewish banker who apparently financed the creation of the whole system in the
first place. Nor one for Olaf Aschberg, the powerful Jewish banker in Sweden, who
played such an important role in providing the Bolsheviks a financial life-line during the
early years of their threatened regime, and even founded the first Soviet international bank .
When one discovers a tear in the fabric of reality, there is a natural tendency to nervously
peer within, wondering what mysterious objects might dwell there. The Ackerman book denounced
the notion of Schiff having funded the Bolsheviks as "a favorite trope of Nazi anti-Jewish
propaganda" and just prior to those words he issued a similar denunciation of Henry Ford's
Dearborn Independent , a publication which would have meant almost nothing to me.
Although Ackerman's particular book had not yet been published when I began exploring the
Schiff story a dozen years ago, many other writers had similarly conjoined those two topics, so
I decided to explore the matter.
Ford himself was a very interesting individual, and his world-historical role certainly
received very scanty coverage in my basic history textbooks. Although the exact reasons for his
decision
to raise his minimum wage to $5 per day in 1914 -- double the existing average pay for
industrial workers in America -- can be disputed, it certainly seems to have played a huge role
in the creation of our middle class. He also adopted a highly paternalistic policy of providing
good company housing and other amenities to his workers, a total departure from the "Robber
Baron" capitalism so widely practiced at that time, thereby establishing himself as a
world-wide hero to industrial workers and their advocates. Indeed, Lenin himself had regarded
Ford as a towering figure in the world's revolutionary firmament, glossing over his
conservative views and commitment to capitalism and instead focusing on his remarkable
achievements in worker productivity and economic well-being. It is a forgotten detail of
history that even after Ford's considerable hostility to the Russian Revolution became widely
known, the Bolsheviks still described their own industrial development policy as "Fordism."
Indeed, it was not unusual to see portraits of Lenin and Ford hanging side-by-side in
Soviet factories , representing the two greatest secular saints of the Bolshevik
pantheon.
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As for The Dearborn Independent , Ford had apparently launched his newspaper on a
national basis not long after the end of the war, intending to focus on controversial topics,
especially those related to Jewish misbehavior, whose discussion he believed was being ignored
or suppressed by nearly all mainstream media outlets. I had been aware that he had long been
one of the wealthiest and most highly-regarded individuals in America, but I was still
astonished to discover that his weekly newspaper, previously almost unknown to me, had reached
a total national circulation of 900,000 by 1925, ranking it as the second largest in the
country and by far the biggest with a national distribution. I found no easy means of examining
the contents of a typical issue, but apparently the anti-Jewish articles of the first couple of
years had been collected and published as short books, together constituting the four volumes
of The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem , a notoriously anti-Semitic
work occasionally mentioned in my history textbooks. Eventually my curiosity got the best of
me, so clicked a few buttons on Amazon.com, bought the set, and wondered what I would
discover.
Based on all my pre-suppositions, I expected to read some foaming-at-the-mouth screed, and
doubted I would be able to get past the first dozen pages before losing interest and consigning
the volumes to gather dust on my shelves. But what I actually encountered was something
entirely different.
Over the last couple of decades, the enormous growth in the power and influence of Jewish
and pro-Israel groups in America has occasionally led writers to cautiously raise certain facts
regarding the untoward influence of those organizations and activists, while always carefully
emphasizing that the vast majority of ordinary Jews do not benefit from these policies and
actually might be harmed by them, even leaving aside the possible risk of eventually provoking
an anti-Jewish backlash. To my considerable surprise, I found that the vast majority of the
material in Ford's 300,000 word series seemed to follow this same pattern and tone.
The individual 80 chapter-columns of Ford's volumes generally discuss particular issues and
events, some of which were well-known to me, but with the vast majority totally obscured by the
passage of almost a hundred years. But as far as I could tell, almost all the discussions
seemed quite plausible and factually-oriented, even sometimes overly cautious in their
presentation, and with one possible exception I can't recall anything that seemed fanciful or
unreasonable. As an example, there was no claim that Schiff or his fellow Jewish bankers had
funded the Bolshevik Revolution since those particular facts had not yet come out, only that he
had seemed to be strongly supportive of the overthrow of Czarism, and had worked toward that
end for many years, motivated by what he regarded as the hostility of the Russian Empire
towards its Jewish subjects. This sort of discussion is not all that different from what one
might find in a modern Schiff biography or in his Wikipedia entry, though many of the important
details presented in the Ford books have disappeared from the historical record.
Although I somehow managed to plow through all four volumes of The International
Jew , the unrelenting drum-beat of Jewish intrigue and misbehavior became somewhat
soporific after a while, especially since so many of the examples provided may have loomed
quite large in 1920 or 1921 but are almost totally forgotten today. Most of the content was a
collection of rather monotonous complaints regarding Jewish malfeasance, scandals, or
clannishness, the sort of mundane matters which might have normally appeared in the pages of an
ordinary newspaper or magazine, let alone one of the muckraking type.
However, I cannot fault the publication for such a narrow focus. A consistent theme was that
because of the intimidating fear of Jewish activists and influence, virtually all of America's
regular media outlets avoided discussion of any of these important matters, and since this new
publication was intended to remedy that void, it necessarily required coverage overwhelmingly
skewed toward that particular subject. The articles were also aimed at gradually expanding the
window of public debate and eventually shame other periodicals into discussing Jewish
misbehavior. When leading magazines such as The Atlantic Monthly and Century
Magazine began running such articles, this result was cited as a major success.
Another important goal was to make ordinary Jews more aware of the very problematical
behavior of many of their community leaders. Occasionally, the publication received a letter of
praise from a self-proclaimed "proud American Jew" commending the series and sometimes
including a check to purchase subscriptions for other members of his community, and this
achievement might become the subject of an extended discussion.
And although the details of these individual stories differed considerably from those of
today, the pattern of behavior being criticized seemed remarkably similar. Change a few facts,
adjust the society for a century of change, and many of the stories might be exactly the same
ones that well-meaning people concerned about the future of our country are quietly discussing
today. Most remarkably, there were even a couple of columns about the troubled relationship
between the earliest Zionist settlers in Palestine and the surrounding native Palestinians, and
deep complaints that under Jewish pressure the media often totally misreported or hid some of
the outrages suffered by the latter group.
I certainly cannot vouch for the overall accuracy of the contents of these volumes, but at
the very least they would constitute an extremely valuable source of "raw material" for further
historical investigation. So many of the events and incidents they recount seem to have been
entirely omitted from the major media publications of that day, and surely were never included
in later historical narratives, given that even such widely known stories as Schiff's major
financial backing for the Bolsheviks were completely tossed down George Orwell's "memory
hole."
With the volumes long out of copyright, I have added the set to my collection of HTML Books,
and those so interested may read the text and decide for themselves.
The International Jew The
World's Foremost Problem Henry Ford • 1920 • 323,000 Words
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As mentioned, the overwhelming majority of The International Jew seems a rather
bland recitation of complaints about Jewish misbehavior. But there is one major exception,
which has a very different impact upon our modern mind, namely that the writer took very
seriously The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Probably no "conspiracy theory"
in modern times has been subjected to such immense vilification and ridicule as the
Protocols , but a voyage of discovery often acquires a momentum of its own, and I
became curious about the nature of that infamous document.
Apparently, the Protocols first came to light during the last decade of the 19th
century, and the British Museum stored a copy in 1906, but it attracted relatively little
attention at the time. However, all this changed after the Bolshevik Revolution and toppling of
many other long-standing governments at the end of the First World War led many people to seek
a common cause behind so many enormous political upheavals. From my distance of many decades,
the text of the Protocols struck me as rather bland and even dull, describing in
rather long-winded fashion a plan of secret subversion aimed at weakening the bonds of the
social fabric, setting groups against each other, gaining control over political leaders by
bribery and blackmail, and eventually restoring society along rigidly hierarchical lines with
an entirely new group in control. Admittedly, there were many shrewd insights into politics or
psychology, notably the enormous power of the media and the benefits of advancing political
front-men who were deeply compromised or incompetent and hence easily controllable. But nothing
else really jumped out at me.
Perhaps one reason I found the text of the Protocols so uninspiring is that over
the century since its publication, these notions of diabolical plots by hidden groups have
become such a common theme in our entertainment media, with countless thousands of spy novels
and science fiction stories presenting something similar, though these usually involve far more
exciting means, such as a super-weapon or a powerful drug. If some Bond villain proclaimed his
intent to conquer the world merely through simple political subversion, I suspect that such a
film would immediately die at the box office.
But back one hundred years ago, these were apparently exciting and novel notions, and I
actually found the discussion of the Protocols in many of the chapters of The
International Jew far more interesting and informative than reading the text itself. The
author of the Ford books seems to appropriately treat it as any other historical document,
dissecting its content, speculating on its provenance, and wondering whether or not it was what
it purported to be, namely an approximate record of the statements of a group of conspirators
pursuing mastery over the world, with those conspirators widely believed to be an elite
fraternity of international Jews.
Other contemporaries seem to have taken the Protocols very seriously as well. The
august Times of London fully endorsed it, before later retracting that position under
heavy pressure, and I've read that more copies were published and sold in the Europe of that
era than any other book save the Bible. The Bolshevik government of Russia paid the volume its
own sort of deep respect, with mere possession of the Protocols warranting immediate
execution.
Although The International Jew concludes that the Protocols was probably
genuine, I doubt that likelihood based upon the style and presentation. Browsing around on the
Internet a dozen years ago, I discovered quite a variety of different opinions even within the
precincts of the Far Right, where such matters were freely discussed. I remember some forum
writer somewhere characterizing the Protocols as "based upon a true story," suggesting
that someone who was generally familiar with the secretive machinations of elite international
Jews against the existing governments of Czarist Russia and other countries had drafted the
document to outline his view of their strategic plans, and such an interpretation seems
perfectly plausible.
Another reader somewhere claimed that the Protocols were pure fiction but very
significant nonetheless. He argued that the very keen insights into the methods by which a
small conspiratorial group can quietly corrupt and overthrow powerful existing regimes arguably
ranked it alongside Plato's The Republic and Machiavelli's The Prince as one
of the three great classics of Western political philosophy, and earned it a place on the
required reading list of every Political Science 101 course. Indeed, the author of Ford's books
emphasizes that there are very few mentions of Jews anywhere in the Protocols , and
all the implied connections to Jewish conspirators could be completely struck from the text
without affecting their content whatsoever.
In any event, this short work is now available as one of my HTML Books, making it quite
convenient for reading and text-searching.
Some ideas have consequences and others do not. Although my introductory history textbooks
had often mentioned Henry Ford's anti-Semitic activities, his publication of The
International Jew , and the concurrent popularity of the Protocols , they never
emphasized any lasting political legacy, or at least I don't recall any. However, once I
actually read the contents and also discovered the enormous contemporary popularity of those
writings and the huge national circulation of The Dearborn Independent , I quickly
came to a very different conclusion.
For decades pro-immigration liberals, many of them Jewish, have suggested that anti-Semitism
was a major factor behind the 1924 Immigration Act that drastically reduced European
immigration for the next forty years, while anti-immigration activists have always heatedly
denied this. The documentary evidence from that era certainly favors the position of the
latter, but I really do wonder what important private discussions may not have been set down in
print and entered into the Congressional Record . The overwhelming popular support for
immigration restriction had been successfully blocked for decades by powerful business
interests, which greatly benefited from the reduced wages of the resulting labor-competition,
but now matters had suddenly changed, and surely the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia must have
had been a powerful influence.
Russia, overwhelmingly populated by Russians, had been governed for centuries by a Russian
ruling elite. Then, heavily Jewish revolutionaries, drawn from a group amounting to just 4% of
the population had taken advantage of military defeat and unsettled political conditions to
seize control of the country, butchering those previous elites or forcing them to desperately
flee abroad as penniless refugees.
Trotsky and a large fraction of the leading Jewish revolutionaries had been living as exiles
in New York City, and now many of their Jewish cousins still resident in America began loudly
proclaiming that a similar revolution would soon follow here as well. Huge waves of recent
immigration, mostly from Russia, had increased the Jewish fraction of the national population
to 3%, not far below the figure for Russia itself on the eve of its revolution. If the Russian
elites who ruled Russia had been suddenly overthrown by Jewish revolutionaries, is it not
obvious that the Anglo-Saxon elites who ruled Anglo-Saxon America feared suffering the same
fate?
The "Red Scare" of the 1919 was one response, with numerous immigrant radicals such as Emma
Goldman rounded up and summarily deported, while the Sacco-Vanzetti murder trial in 1921 Boston
captured the attention of the nation, suggesting that other immigrant groups were violent
radicals as well, and might ally themselves with the Jews in a revolutionary movement, just
like the Letts and other disgruntled Russian minorities had done during the Bolshevik
Revolution. But drastically reducing the inflow of these dangerous foreigners was absolutely
essential since otherwise their numbers might easily grow by hundreds of thousands each year,
increasing their already huge presence in our largest cities of the East Coast.
Sharply reducing immigration would certainly cause a rise in worker wages and hurt business
profits. But considerations of profits are secondary if you fear that you and your family might
eventually end up facing a Bolshevik firing squad or fleeing to Buenos Aires with just the
clothes on your backs and a few hurriedly-packed suitcases.
A noteworthy bit of evidence in support of this analysis was the subsequent failure of
Congress to enact similar restrictive legislation curtailing immigration from Mexico or the
rest of Latin America. The local business interests of Texas and the Southwest argued that
continuation of unrestricted Mexican immigration was important for their economic success, with
Mexicans being good people, politically docile workers, and no threat to stability of the
country. This was a clear contrast with the Jews and some other European immigrant groups.
The much less familiar early 1920s battle over restricting Jewish enrollment in the Ivy
League may have been another consequence. In his magisterial 2005 volume The Chosen ,
Jerome Karabel documents how the very rapid growth in Jewish numbers at Harvard, Yale,
Princeton, and other Ivy League colleges had by the early 1920s become an enormous concern to
the Anglo-Saxon elites which had established those institutions and always dominated their
student bodies.
As a result, a quiet war over admissions broke out, involving both political and media
influence, with the reigning WASPs seeking to reduce and restrict Jewish numbers and the Jews
struggling to maintain or expand them. Although there seems no paper-trail of any direct
references to the enormously popular national newspaper and books published by Henry Ford or
any similar material, it is difficult to believe that the academic combatants were not at least
somewhat aware of the theories of a Jewish assault on Gentile society then being so widely
promoted. It is easy to imagine that a respectable Boston Brahmin such as Harvard President A.
Lawrence Lowell regarded his own moderate "anti-Semitism" as a very reasonable middle-ground
between the lurid claims promoted by Ford and others and the demands for unlimited Jewish
enrollment made by his opponents. Indeed, Karabel himself points to the social impact of Ford's
publications as a significant background factor to this academic conflict.
At this point in time, the Anglo-Saxon elites still held the upper hand in the media. The
very heavily Jewish film industry was only in its infancy and the same was true for radio,
while the vast majority of major print outlets were still in Gentile hands, so the descendants
of America's original settlers won this round of the admissions war. But when the battle was
rejoined a couple of decades later, the strategic political and media landscape had completely
shifted, with Jews having achieved near-parity in print influence and overwhelming dominance in
the more powerful electronic media formats such as film, radio, and nascent television, and
this time they were victorious, easily breaking the hold of their longtime ethnic rivals, and
eventually achieving almost complete dominance over
those elite institutions .
And ironically enough, the most lasting cultural legacy of the widespread anti-Jewish
agitation of the 1920s may be the least recognized. As mentioned above, modern readers might
find the text of the Protocols rather boring and bland, almost like they had been cribbed from
the extremely long-winded monologue of one of the diabolical villains of a James Bond story.
But it wouldn't surprise me if there were actually an arrow of causality in the opposite
direction. Ian Fleming created this genre in the early 1950s with his string of international
best-sellers, and it is interesting to speculate about the source of his ideas.
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Fleming had spent his youth during the 1920s and 1930s when the Protocols were
among the most widely read books in much of Europe and leading British newspapers of the
highest credibility were recounting the successful plots of Schiff and other international
Jewish bankers to overthrow the government of Britain's Czarist ally and replace it with Jewish
Bolshevik rule. Moreover, his later service in an arm of British Intelligence would surely have
made him privy to details of that history that went far beyond those public headlines. I think
it is more than pure coincidence that two of his most memorable Bond villains, Goldfinger and
Blofeld, had distinctly Jewish-sounding names, and that so many of the plots involve schemes of
world-conquest by Spectre , a secretive and mysterious international organization
hostile to all existing governments. The Protocols themselves may be half-forgotten
today, but their cultural influence probably survives in the Bond films, whose $7 billion of
aggregate box-office gross ranks them as the most successful movie series in history when
adjusted for inflation.
The extent to which established historical facts can appear or disappear from the world
should certainly force all of us to become very cautious in believing anything we read in our
standard textbooks, let alone what we absorb from our more transient electronic media.
In the early years of the Bolshevik Revolution, almost no one questioned the overwhelming
role of Jews in that event, nor their similar preponderance in the ultimately unsuccessful
Bolshevik takeovers in Hungary and parts of Germany. For example, former British Minister
Winston
Churchill in 1920 denounced the "terrorist Jews" who had seized control of Russia and other
parts of Europe, noting that "the majority of the leading figures are Jews" and stating that
"In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing," while lamenting
the horrors these Jews had inflicted upon the suffering Germans and Hungarians.
Similarly, journalist Robert Wilton, former Russia correspondent of the Times of
London , provided a very detailed summary of the enormous Jewish role in his 1918 book
Russia's Agony and 1920 book The Last Days of the Romanovs , although one of
the most explicit chapters of the latter was apparently excluded from the English language edition
. Not long afterward, the facts regarding the enormous financial support provided to the
Bolsheviks by international Jewish bankers such as Schiff and Aschberg were widely reported in
the mainstream media.
Jews and Communism were just as strongly tied together in America, and for years the
largest circulation Communist newspaper in our country was published in Yiddish . When they
were finally released, the Venona Decrypts demonstrated that even as late as the 1930s and
1940s, a remarkable fraction of America's Communist spies came from that ethnic background.
A personal anecdote tends to confirm these dry historical records. During the early 2000s I
once had lunch with an elderly and very eminent computer scientist, with whom I'd become a
little friendly. While talking about this and that, he happened to mention that both his
parents had been zealous Communists, and given his obvious Irish name, I expressed my surprise,
saying that I'd thought almost all the Communists of that era were Jewish. He said that was
indeed the case, but although his mother had such an ethnic background, his father did not,
which made him a very rare exception in their political circles. As a consequence, the Party
had always sought to place him in as prominent a public role as possible just to prove that not
all Communists were Jews, and although he obeyed Party discipline, he was always irritated at
being used as such a "token."
However, once Communism sharply fell out of favor in 1950s America, nearly all of the
leading "Red Baiters" such as Sen. Joseph McCarthy went to enormous lengths to obscure the
ethnic dimension of the movement they were combatting. Indeed, many years later
Richard Nixon casually spoke in private of the difficulty he and other anti-Communist
investigators had faced in trying to focus on Gentile targets since nearly all of the suspected
Soviet spies were Jewish, and when this tape became public, his alleged anti-Semitism provoked
a media firestorm even though his remarks were obviously implying the exact opposite.
This last point is an important one, since once the historical record has been sufficiently
whitewashed or rewritten, any lingering strands of the original reality that survive are often
perceived as bizarre delusions or denounced as "conspiracy theories." Indeed, even today the
ever-amusing pages of Wikipedia provides an entire 3,500 word article attacking the notion of
"Jewish
Bolshevism" as an "antisemitic canard."
I remember in the 1970s the enormous gusts of American praise for Solzhenitysn's three
volume Gulag Archipelago suddenly encountered a temporary headwind when someone noticed that
his 2,000 pages had included a single photograph depicting many of the leading Gulag
administrators, along with a caption revealing their unmistakably Jewish names. This detail was
treated as serious evidence of the great author's possible anti-Semitism since the actual
reality of the enormously large role of Jews in the NKVD and the Gulag system had long since
disappeared from all the standard history books.
As another example, the Rev. Pat Robertson, a leading Christian televangelist, published
The New World Order in 1991, his fiery attack on the "godless globalists" whom he
considered his greatest enemy, and it quickly became a massive national best-seller. He
happened to include a couple of brief, somewhat garbled mentions of the $20 million which Wall
Street banker Jacob Schiff had provided to the Communists, carefully avoiding any suggestion of
a Jewish angle and providing no reference for that claim. His book quickly provoked a vast
outpouring of denunciation and ridicule across the elite media, with the Schiff story seen as
conclusion proof of
his delusional anti-Semitism . I cannot really fault these critics since in pre-Internet
days they could only consult the indexes of a few standard histories of the Bolshevik
Revolution, and finding no mention of Schiff or his money, naturally assumed that Robertson or
his source had simply invented the bizarre story. I myself had had exactly the same reaction at
the time.
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Only after Soviet Communism had died in 1991 and no longer was perceived as a hostile force
were academic scholars in America once again able to publish mainstream books that gradually
restored the true picture of that past era. In many respects, a widely praised work such as
The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine, published in 2004 by Princeton University Press,
provides a narrative quite consistent with long-forgotten works by Robert Wilton but marks a
very sharp departure from the largely obfuscatory histories of the intervening eighty-odd
years.
Until about a dozen years ago, I had always vaguely assumed that Henry Ford's The
International Jew was a work of political lunacy and the Protocols was a
notorious hoax. Yet today, I would probably consider the former as a potentially useful source
of possible historical events otherwise excluded from most standard accounts, while at least
understanding the argument of why the latter might deserve a place alongside Plato and
Machiavelli as a classic of Western political thought.
' A crucial underlying cause of the First World War was Britain's belief that only a
preventative war could forestall a rising Germany, but I suspect that an important secondary
cause was the parallel German notion that similar measures were necessary against a rising
Russia '
Indeed. I forget where, but I have read that the German General Staff had calculated that
after 1916, Russia would be unbeatable. While I disagree with the rather widespread belief
that Germany was particularly responsible for World War One, it may well have been the case
that once the ball started rolling, many in the General Staff calculated that it would be
better to have it out now than to wait.
Incidentally, to digress, I feel that while it was above all the situation and the
paradigm of the times that brought World War One about, if anyone should be held culpable, it
would be France and Serbia, while -- in contrast to your opinion -- I feel that Britain
probably was the one power least responsible for the outbreak of war.
I'd note that associations between Jews and revolutionary socialism in America weren't just
the product of observing events in Europe.
I read an interesting book called More Powerful than Dynamite that describes the
social unrest and pre-revolutionary agitation that gripped New York City in 1915-1916. The
author appears genuinely unaware of the fact, but a very large proportion -- half?
two-thirds? -- of the figures he names are Eastern European Jews. For whatever reason, a
completely disproportionate percentage of these people came boiling out of their shtetls
absolutely possessed by revolutionary fervor. Was it hatred of Tsarism? A reaction to
being freed from the rule of their traditional communities and rabbis? I don't know -- but
it'd be interesting to read about.
More mundanely, I read Frederik Pohl's memoir of the early science-fiction scene, The
Way the Future Was. In it, he discusses his membership in the Young Communists League or
some such thing in New York City in late thirties -- and notes that although he didn't find
the fact significant, the membership was indeed disproportionately Jewish.
It's a bit like blacks and basketball. Not all basketball players are black, but they
disproportionately are. Ditto for Jews and Communists -- both in Europe and here. As a rough
rule, they seem to have been overrepresented by a factor of between ten and a hundred. I
think that seeing Communism as a Jewish plot is a paranoid over-simplification -- but it is
equally unreasonable to see no connection at all.
As to the reality and extent of China's famine during the Great Leap Forward, I strongly
recommend you read Yang Jisheng's Tombstone: the Great Chinese Famine 1958-1962. It
was real -- and fully as bad as advertised.
According to some, one of the ethnic groups that have benefited the most from the good old
capitalism are the Jews.
Thanks to the capitalist system, many of them have managed to become enormously rich
– some would say thanks to their genetic predisposition towards greed, which of course
is unique only to them.
Well then it makes a perfect sense to me that they would be the ones to finance a
revolution in Russia that would bring a system which pretty much doesn't allow anyone to get
rich.
Wouldn't it have made more sense if members of the Jewish community have financed a
capitalist – sorry – "democratic" revolution in Russia, which will allow them to
prosper financially like they did in the west?
Or was the Bolshevik revolution a payback for the pogroms? What is the logic here? They
did it because they are evil? How did the Jewish financiers of the October revolution knew
that Stalin will come along and pervert the idea of Socialism (to a certain degree), and turn
it into one massive orgy of pogroms (according to some) against anybody and everybody.
The whole idea is pure nonsense. The only way that it will make sense to me is that the
Jews financed the October revolution because they expected that their people will get more
equal treatment under that system than in Czarist Russia. Not because they wanted to unleash
something evil on this world.
Books I do not see mentioned:
Alexander Solschenizyn, ´Die russisch- jüdische Geschichte 1795- 1916, >>
Zweihundert Jahre zusammen <<´, Moskau 2001, München 2002
Antony C. Sutton, ´Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution', 1974 New Rochelle,
N.Y.
Voline ( Vsevolod Mikhailovitsch Eichenbaum), 'The unknown revolution (Kronstadt 1921 Ukraine
1918-21)', New York 1955
Horace Meyer Kallen, 'Zionism and World Politics; A Study in History and Social Psychology',
New York, 1921
Elisabeth Dilling, ´The Roosevelt Red record and its background', 1936, Chicago
And I have a consolation, the murder of Rabin by an orthodox jew after the Oslo Accords
made me wonder if zionist jews did want peace, being retired I had the time to investigate,
and found about about fairy tales such as 'land without people for people without land'.
Sept 11 was the next investigation trigger, once I could no longer prevent the conclusion
that it had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism.
How could our liberator of WWII have become an evil state ?
I found out about Baruch and FDR, etc.
Had there been no Baruch, I wonder if there would have been a WWII.
As Hitler in 1939 threatened jewry 'if they again caused a world war '.
I must add that, though WWI was set up by GB, France and the tsar, I never found evidence
that jews were involved in the conspiracy.
However, the blackmail of the Balfour Declaration, jews do seem responsible for the German
defeat in 1918.
Without USA military interference Germany would have won in November 1917.
One important historical figure who is unknown in the west is Alexander Parvus, aka Israel
Helphand. He was the man who persuaded the German Generals to send Lenin to Russia in the
sealed train. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Parvus#Russian_Revolution
Thanks for this article. I have just reread Ford's 'My Life and Work;' my father's old (1926)
edition. Have also read Robert Wilton's 'Last Days of the Romanoffs' several times so
appreciate references to these two authors. I hope Wilton has been republished in this year
of the anniversary of the cruel martyrdom of the Russian Imperial family by the Bolsheviks.
Here's a fascinating quote from "The International Jew."
In other countries the Jew is permitted to mix more readily with the people, he can
amass his control unchallenged; but in Germany the case was different. Therefore, the Jew
hated the German people; therefore, the countries of the world which were most dominated by
the Jews showed the greatest hatred of Germany during the recent regrettable war.
If you replace "Germany" with "Russia," perhaps this paragraph would be a good explanation
of why Western leaders hate Russia so much. Interestingly enough, modern Jews seem to really
like Germany these days.
What are your thoughts on the refugee crisis in Europe? Given how much Jewish currency
trader George Soros has done to encourage refugee migration into Europe, do you think there's
some sort of Jewish conspiracy at work here?
Much of the problem with Jacob Schiff and his ilk is that he actually thought the 'socialist
utopia' was achievable. He believed all the propaganda. When he was donating his money, he
had no clue the communist takeover would turn out to be a bloody failure detested by the
Russian people who lived all their lives under the system, although there was certainly a
strong element of "Let's get revenge on the Tsar and his ilk for treating us like animals,"
in Schiff's thinking.
Much of what Jews have been trying to do in politics during the 20th century is idealistic
lever-pulling by men with too much Asperger's disorder to understand human nature, and who
keep thinking that if you unleash the dark side of the human personality, everything will
turn out all right.
This is one reason why Jews keep insisting that blacks who commit crimes should only get a
slap on the wrist and be turned loose right back into society again. They honest-to-god think
that scolding will stop sociopaths in their tracks, in denial of all evidence, because Jews
have no understanding of evil human nature. When Jews became a secular, modern, and
scientific-minded people, they lost all their understanding of evil, because as moderns, they
were now 'above all that primitive, backward thinking.'
Jews who think this way keep saying, "Of course communist Russia turned out to be bad
because the wrong people were in charge." This is a bunch of coded wording for, "If me and my
friends were in charge we would do it right because we're different and special," without
realizing that practically everyone becomes corrupt if handed the reins of power.
At one point in their careers, Obama and Hillary, as well as many of their liberal friends
in the Democratic party thought of themselves as decent, well-intended beings who would run
things the Correct Way once in power. But once they were in power, they became corrupt, and
they're still too blinded by their egos to see it.
Their supporters, left-wing Jews, are also too blind to see it because they have no
self-knowledge at all. Part of the problem with Asperger's, which is far too prevalent among
Jews, is that the disorder blocks you from acquiring self-knowledge of your own personality,
as well as preventing from gaining insight into the personalities of others. This leaves you
with the ideological side of your brain entirely in charge.
I read The International Jew about five years ago. Well, I tried to read it, but gave
up before getting half way through. As Ron said, it became quite monotonous and too much of
the discussion was focused on obscure events of the day. I might have persevered, but
eventually the numerous speculative conspiracy-theory-style reaches in explaining
contemporary and historical events got to me.
As for the Protocols , neo-nazis often claim that the important thing about it
isn't whether it was a 'hoax' or not, but whether it explains the present. I suppose that's
true in the sense that it gives an insight into the mindset of the people who were concerned
about the growth of Jewish influence before that influence became a fact. I haven't read the
whole thing, so I can't comment on Ron's claim that it deserves to be a considered a classic
of political theory.
Another neo-nazi point which I also think is partly correct is that "Jews are the skeleton
key to history." Neo-nazis take that and run with it, which leads to all sorts of weird and
wonderful conspiracy theories, but the basic point has to be granted: that an understanding
of certain historical events will always be incomplete without sufficient consideration of
the Jewish role.
It is a forgotten detail of history that even after Ford's considerable hostility to the
Russian Revolution became widely known, the Bolsheviks still described their own industrial
development policy as "Fordism."
This makes it sound like the Russians coined "Fordism." Did they? I don't know. But modern
historians and social scientists with a leftist bent routinely refer to Fordism, both as a
management theory and as a social structure.
A possible consequence of the Bolshevik Revolution was the rise of anti-Semitism in Germany.
In Munich refugees from the Russian Empire met members of a new German Nationalist party, the
NSDAP. The interactions between these people are believed to have resulted in the adoption of
extreme anti-semitic policies by the NSDAP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufbau_Vereinigung
A brave and necessary essay. I was not aware of many of the details here.
That said, it's worth noting that whatever the figures that Schiff contributed during
1917, they would have paled into irrelevance to the 50 million gold marks ($1 billion in
modern currency) that the German government funneled through Swedish and Danish banks to the
Bolsheviks in Saint-Petersburg that year. The Bolshevik Revolution would not have happened
without vast amounts of German money (which, given the wartime context, is
understandable).
Incidentally, apart from being the Bolsheviks' main money-man in the West, Olof Aschberg
also acquired one of the world's finest collections of Russian icons in the process of
selling the values that the Bolsheviks had looted. The collection now resides in a Swedish
museum.
I recently discovered that his son is rather "colorful" too. Robert Aschberg went being a
Maoist in his youth to the anti-racist commissar of Swedish
journalism. Dollars to peanuts he also hates current-day Russia, hates Putin, etc.
Incidentally, he used to be Director-General of the Swedish Institute, which last year
released a
14,000 member list of far right extremists on Twitter, such as myself.
The plans to destabilise the ME originate in Israel.
If part of these plans was to destabilise Europe too, possible, but I never heard of it.
Soros' indoctrination scheme for open society has been running for many decades.
As I feel that the subject of German responsibility for the outbreak of WW1, relevant for
the outbreak of the revolution in Russia, will be attacked with gusto, I suggest to keep in
mind firmly the fact that Germany was the first to declare war on Russia. The reason was
indeed the fear that Russia by 1916 would be unbeatable and all the objectives of the
'Weltpolitik' of Germany, which would have been at a certain point in time opposed and
countered by Russia. To refresh your memory, the date of the calculations was 1912. Just a
few words for orientation (from Wikipedia):
"The German Imperial War Council of 8 December 1912 was an informal conference of some of
the highest military leaders of the German Empire. Meeting at the Stadtschloss in Berlin,
they discussed and debated the tense military and diplomatic situation in Europe at the time.
As a result of the Russian Great Military Program announced in November, Austria-Hungary's
concerns about Serbian successes in the First Balkan War, and certain British communications,
the possibility of war was a prime topic of the meeting
[Kaiser Wilhelms'] opinion was that Austria-Hungary should attack Serbia that December, and
if "Russia supports the Serbs, which she evidently does then war would be unavoidable for us,
too," and that this would be better now than later, after completion of (the just begun)
massive modernization and expansion of the Russian army and railway system toward Germany.
Moltke agreed. In his professional military opinion "a war is unavoidable and the sooner the
better". Moltke "wanted to launch an immediate attack"
Admiral Tirpitz, however, asked for a "postponement of the great fight for one and a half
years" because the Navy was not ready for a general war that included Britain as an opponent.
He insisted that the completion of the construction of the U-boat base at Heligoland and the
widening of the Kiel Canal were the Navy's prerequisites for war. The British historian John
Röhl has pointed out the coincidence that the date for completion of the widening of the
Kiel Canal was the summer of 1914, but a reading of the report of the conference shows no
agreement as to a war in 1914. However, Tirpitz did say that the Navy wanted to wait until
the Kiel Canal was ready in summer 1914 before any war could start. Though Moltke objected to
the postponement of the war as unacceptable, Wilhelm sided with Tirpitz. Moltke yielded "only
reluctantly."
The 'controversial' book of Fritz Fischer "Griff nach der Weltmacht: Die Kriegzielpolitik
des kaiserlichen Deutschland 1914–1918 (published in English as Germany's Aims in the
First World War), will certainly come into the discussions. He devotes a large chapter to the
subversive operations of the Germans in Russia in order to provoke the revolution and the
exit from the war with the help of the Jews and Social-Democrats (both Mensheviks and
Bolsheviks).
Ron, extraordinary, provocative stuff in your American Pravda series. Perhaps the most
remarkable aspect of Unz Review is my impression that this is how big-shouldered
people of goodwill and genuinely liberal disposition used to talk a century ago. I don't know
squat about The Protocols except as it's referred to by others, almost always prefaced
as "anti-Semitic". The Unzian approach: "Let's read the damned thing", seems to me superior
and more grown-up.
BTW-a childhood friend of mine and her husband, both Jewish and one of them observant,
retired and now live in the Carolinas. Their occasional stories of elderly neighbors, call
them Morris and Sheldon, returning from prison after having served time for white collar
crimes such as tax evasion or improprieties on government contracts are sort of
unintentionally funny. Looks like they missed the memo on how to be the world's
wire-pullers.
Influenced by Maxim Gorky, he and his nephew Nikolai Pavlovich Schmit[e] were
significant financial contributors of the Bolshevik faction of the Russian Social
Democratic Workers Party including the newspaper Iskra.[12][13]
"From my distance of many decades, the text of the Protocols struck me as rather bland and
even dull, describing in rather long-winded fashion a plan of secret subversion aimed at
weakening the bonds of the social fabric, setting groups against each other, gaining control
over political leaders by bribery and blackmail, and eventually restoring society along
rigidly hierarchical lines with an entirely new group in control."
That sounds exactly like traditional WASP rule of non-WASP peoples, exactly the way, for
example, that Brit Empire businesses set about arranging for revolution of New Spain against
Spain, and then of Mexican mestizos and Indios against Mexican criollos (meaning full of
nearly full European blood).
Of course, Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy.
From
pages 390-1 of Henry Wickham Steed's Through Thirty Years :
'The gulf that severed Western Europe from Russia during the latter half of the 19th
century was dug and kept open chiefly by Jewish resentment of Russian persecution of the
Jews. Yet that resentment sprang also from Jewish detestation of the Russian Holy Synod and
of the Russian Orthodox Church. Against Russian Christian fanaticism was ranged an intense
Jewish fanaticism hardly to be paralleled save among the more militant sects of Islam. This
Jewish fanaticism allied itself with the anti-Russian forces before and during the earlier
years of the war. It abated only when the Russian Revolution of March 1917 and the subsequent
advent of Bolshevism, largely Jewish in doctrine and in personnel , overthrew the
Russian Empire and the Russian Orthodox Church. The joy of Jewry at these events was not
merely the joy of triumph over an oppressor but was also gladness at the downfall of hostile
religious and semi-religious institutions -- a joy, moreover, in which the Vatican shared, as
its attitude towards the Bolshevist delegates to the Genoa Conference of April, 1922,
significantly indicated.'
The resurgence of Russian Christianity under President Putin has left the 'joy of Jewry'
looking distinctly tattered. Enter the West's largely Jewish-owned governments and media with
their Russophobia campaign.
I feel perhaps the most truthful book ever written on the Bolshevik Revolution was Juri
Lina's "Under The Sign Of The Scorpion". It details both the heavy Jewish influence and the
financial backing by American financiers such as the Schiff's and Warburg's https://archive.org/stream/Under The Sign Of The
Scorpion/sign_scorpion#page/n0
Another great source for information on the backing of the Bolshevik Revolution by
American so called "Capitalist" is Anthony Sutton's "Wall Street And The Bolshevik
Revolution"
A subsequent document5 outlined the terms demanded by Lenin, of which the most
interesting was point number seven, which allowed "Russian troops to move into India"; this
suggested that Lenin intended to continue the tsarist expansionist program. Zeman also
records the role of Max Warburg in establishing a Russian publishing house and
adverts to an agreement dated August 12, 1916, in which the German industrialist
Stinnes agreed to contribute two million rubles for financing a publishing house in
Russia.6
Consequently, on April 16, 1917, a trainload of thirty-two, including Lenin, his wife
Nadezhda Krupskaya, Grigori Zinoviev, Sokolnikov, and Karl Radek, left the Central Station
in Bern en route to Stockholm. When the party reached the Russian frontier only Fritz
Plattan and Radek were denied entrance into Russia. The remainder of the party was
allowed to enter.
Quite, man quite. the British Banksters would send your sweat ass to their London Tower
for a neck stretching ceremony should they over hear Blasphemy suggesting "Britain was not
strongest and most powerful promoter of WWI".
the case begins in earnest in 1896, Switzerland, Hertzl, Zionist Congress.
The failure of the theme British and French and Russian Banksters(generally known as the
Jewish controlled Entente) forced on the Congress (basically to orchestrate successfully the
overthrow the whole of the oil and gas rich Ottoman Arab world. The plan was to replace the
Ottoman system with a Colonial Rule of Law System, to enable Zionist producers of oil and gas
access to Ottoman oil and gas). Revolution after revolution was initiated throughout the
Balkans and Macedonia all designed in one way or the other to bring about this change..
When regime change failed, plan B was initiated.. that plan involved using the highly
distributed small groups of Jewish Populations to migrate into the Ottoman Territory.
communicating the messages and propaganda to these distributed groups was a Jewish Network
task. Immigration was weaponized and used to gain political control over the Ottoman
Territory.. hence WWI purpose: get that control of Ottoman oil and block German and Russia
competition for the Ottoman oil.
British and French Palestine.. the result.
Check WALL STREET and THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION by Anthony Sutton, can be had on Amazon leaves
no doubt that the Zionists bankers were behind the overthrow of the Russian government and
they are behind the overthrow of the Russian and American governments today.
It turns out that the events of the past few years has proven that the views of "right-wing
cranks," anti-Semites and "conspiracy theorists" had a more correct view of world events than
mainstream conservatives. In the eighties I used to gently dismiss the theories of my Bircher
friends (gently because they were nice people). Now I know that most of them were right on
the money. The events of the last few years have proven this. We have a shadowy "deep state"
rebellion against our president, a James Bond villain named George Soros, whose activities
Wikileaks proves controls the Democratic Party and other Leftist parties in Europe. Now,
anyone with half a brain admits that secret societies control governments across the world.
I never read the Protocols in its entirely, only bits and pieces. I remember thinking it
seemed to be written by a caricature of an evil villain, not even a Bond villain, but a
Scooby Doo level villain. It screams fakery from its style. In form, though, it's brilliant.
If I were ever to pen something like it, for the Anglo-Saxon world, I would write it just
like that. It imparts all necessary information and instructions, yet has plausible
deniability built into it. "It's a fraud, you see. It's anti-Anglo-Saxon."
I admire you for your courage, Mr. Unz; this sort of self-published introspection cannot
be as easy as you sometimes make it out to be. Yet, I believe, for the very sake of world
peace, we need to at least be able to discuss these issues. If there's nothing at all to
them, let the light shine on the facts, and let each judge for himself. The censorship around
certain issues, particularly of the Holocaust, only convinces some of their lack of
historical authenticity. Laws aren't required to back up claims which history easily
vindicates, after all.
A crucial underlying cause of the First World War was Britain's belief that only a
preventative war could forestall a rising Germany, but I suspect that an important secondary
cause was the parallel German notion that similar measures were necessary against a rising
Russia.
Required reading here is The Silk Roads, by Frankopan. He demarcates the reason for
Russo-German war. Edward Grey, English foreign minister, at the behest of a declining British
empire, knew that Russian expansion in Asia would eventually threaten Britain's Jewel in the
Crown, India. Russia had to be turned from a focus on Asia to one on Europe, and alliances
with the South Slavs proved just the trick. Russia rightly saw Austria as an easy target for
territorial gains, setting off war amongst what had once been the Dreikaiserbund.
Perfidious Albion has killed more people than any other country as direct and indirect
result of policy.
Most people also do not know, because of whitewashing history, that Germany in 1919 had a
Bavarian Soviet Republic centered in Munich, headed by Communist Kurt Eisner. WWI vets, the
Freikorps, and others rooted them out. Later Herr H and his men weren't just street fighting
for the hell of it; they were clashing with the Communists, still fighting to root the
Communists all out once and for all. Not all Jews were Communists, but many Communists were
Jews.
In 1932, the three people on the ballot in Germany were old von Hindenberg, Hitler and
Communist Ernst Thälmann. Eventually, as we know, Herr H won out. The rewriting history
and whitewashing this Red scare, in the aftermath of WWII, has obscured all of this. My super
educated Jewish husband, who was a history major, had never heard of this. All he knows is of
trains going east, and nothing of the root of the fight.
The same fight is actually going on today in a different form. If people knew more about
the root of the fight generally, perhaps the issues would be clearer. Like writes above: "And
here we are." The same fighting and choices in issues remain, but most people don't even
realize it.
I would like to see elaboration and justification of that apparently careful formulation
of Ron's that "a crucial underlying [sic] cause of the First World War was Britain's belief
[sic] that only a preventative war could forestall [sic] Germany".
Maybe Jilles Dykstra who makes the extraordinary claim that Britain, France and the Czar
conspired to get up the war might pitch in.
Rational consideration, absent any evidence, would star with the demographics. Unlike
Germany and Russia the birth rates of France and Britain had become quite modern and
sustainable. Consistently with its traditional balance of powers policy it made sense for
Britain to make an alliance with France to deter Germany from attacking the latter and, in
particular from occupying the Low Countries – an interest of Britain since at latest
1588. Germany would have to concentrate its resources on its army so its naval building
program did not loom up as more than a cause of expense to the British taxpayer as Britain
stepped up its shipbuilding program accordingly. In a world of no permanent friends what was
it that made Britain turn the alleged belief into some action, not mentioned, to precipitate
a war against Germany – especially when it must have known that Russia wasn't yet
ready. Or is there some record somewhere of Britain calculating that 1914 was the perfect
time to ensure parity of German and Russian losses?
He was a philo-semite, or at least sympathetic to the Jews re the Catholic Church. He
seems to have expected the Jews to convert to Christianity under his new ideas. They rejected
his version of the Gospel, unsurprisingly, and then he did a 180, and published, "On the Jews
and Their Lies."
He seemed to believe that no honest, thinking person could deny what he was preaching,
something hardly unusual in religious figures.
Luther's story somewhat parallels that of Mohammed, who was initially very gratuitous
toward the local Jewish people in Medina. The Jews didn't want any part of his new polity,
and plotted in secret with his enemies, which proved catastrophic for those Jews.
Ron Unz is kickin' ass and takin' names! I just love American Pravda .
The thing about Jacob Schiff is: what really motivated him? I think the standard version
of the story is that he hated Czar because of the pogroms, the Cossacks, etc. But what if
there was something more at work than some merely personal peeve, or some gauzy notion of
'tikkum olaam'? Unz also mentions Olof Aschberg (whom I had never heard of), so what if this
was not merely the lone act of vengeance of a single Russian Jew, but rather a real plot with
a strategy?
One other fact that Unz doesn't mention that draws my attention is that, at exactly the
same time that Schiff was financing the Bolsheviks, the US Army was deployed to Russia:
What were they really doing there? Not even in the official version of events were they
'fighting the Reds'. Some of my Russian contacts have insisted that this was really a
sinister Anglo-Zionist plot to fragment or balkanize Russia. (I'm thinking along the lines of
Mackinder's old Eurasian 'heartland' theory, which some of the commenters above also
mentioned.) If so, could it be that Schiff was really working in tandem with the US Govt. to
carry out such a plan? Could it be that the original Bolsheviks were really just an ISIS-like
terrorist group that somehow got out of hand and managed to take over all of Russia?
"the only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is
going on." – Henry Ford
"There is a great force that creates the movement of thought in the people, and that is
the media. It is in the media that the triumph of freedom of speech finds its incarnation.
Through the Press we have gained the power to influence minds while remaining unobserved. We
shall erase from the memory of men the historical facts we do not want them to know, and
leave only those we wish".- the Protocols
Before you read "the damned thing", you may read an interesting article by Mr Israel
Shamir:
Philosemitic undercurrent was present in many anti RC heresies. Often the idea was that
the reform would bring Jews to Christianity. Before Martin Luther there was Jan Hus and the
subsequent splinter groups that believed that their improved Christianity would be more
palatable to Jews. The end result was Judaization of Christianity.
Martin Luther's anti-semitism has all marks of resentment for being betrayed.
Rebel, that's pretty much my understanding, too, that Luther's "On the Jews . . ." was a
specific ephemeral work addressing a specific issue of the time with respect to Jews, the
Church, and the Reformation. I scanned it years ago, in the Pelikan edition I think, and
can't remember much more about it. I'm pretty sure I've seen it and other works of Luther
described as adiaphoric, not essential to Luther's teaching.
It seems that Soros believes he was anointed by God. "I fancied myself as some kind of
god " he once wrote. "If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies
with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in
trouble."
When asked by Britain's Independent newspaper to elaborate on that passage, Soros said,
"It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of
everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out."
and not a benevolent one. The "philanthropist" persona is fake:
Despite his reputation as an international philanthropist, Soros remains candid about
his true charitable tendencies. "I am sort of a deus ex machina," Soros told the New York
Times in 1994. "I am something unnatural. I'm very comfortable with my public persona
because it is one I have created for myself. It represents what I like to be as distinct
from what I really am. You know, in my personal capacity I'm not actually a selfless
philanthropic person. I've very much self-centered."
So there it is. The lizard himself gave you some basic truths. Now you're free to connect
the dots of his various "philanthropic" projects and see the common thread (white
genocide).
Dear Innocent in Paradise: German "Anti-Semitism" was the invention of a Jewish
journalist, Wilhelm Marr (yes, he was Jewish, and Karl Marx was a Lutheran) hired by the
Zionists to prepare the way for the coming of the Millennium. Anti-Semitism was at that time
already invented in Russia by a respectable doctor, Leon Pinsker, who said Anti-Semitism is
thousands of years old, hereditary and incurable. Dr. Pinsker MD was an early front man, a
public spokesman for Zionism, who already adopted Hatikvah as the anthem, before Herzl was
hired. And yes, Theodore Herzl was also a hired journalist, a front man, an employee, who did
as he was told, until he was disposed of. And yes, the Dreyfus Affair was a gimmick, a phony
Psy-Op like 9/11. And yes, Emile Zola was another hired journalist. And yes, the pogroms,
including the Kishinev pogrom, were just riots. The people killed were rioters. That the
pogroms were Anti-Jewish is pure spin, like what you watch on television. Goyim are hopeless
and helpless, muscle bound but dumb, a little like cattle or beasts of burden. Give them a
peanut, and they are grateful. You can dance circles around them. You can tell them
everything, and they just grunt. And then you can lead them by the ring in their noses
because they were not endowed with free-will and can't think for themselves.
Indeed Israel Shamir's article on Elders of Zion is very good. He cites Solzhenitsyn:
"The Protocols show a blueprint of a social system. Its design is well above abilities
of an ordinary mind, including that of its publisher. It is a dynamic process of two
stages, of destabilization, increasing freedom and liberalism, which is terminated in
social cataclysm, and on the second stage, new hierarchical restructuring of society takes
place. It is more complicated than a nuclear bomb. It could be a stolen and distorted plan
designed by a mind of genius. Its putrid style of an anti-Semitic grubby brochure
[intentionally] obscures the great strength of thought and insight".
"The text demonstrates impressive foresight on the two systems of society, the Western
and the Soviet one. While a strong thinker could possibly predict the development of the
West in 1901, how could he grasp the Soviet future?"
The master-plan begins with reshaping of human mind:
"People's minds should be diverted (away from contemplation) towards industry and trade,
and then they will have no time to think. The people will be consumed by the pursuit of
gain. It will be vain pursuit, for we shall put industry on a speculative basis: what is
withdrawn from the land by industry will slip through the hands of workers and
industrialists and pass into the hands of financiers.
The intensified struggle for survival and superiority, accompanied by crises and shocks
will create cold and heartless communities with strong aversion towards religion. Their
only guide is gain that is Mammon, which they will erect into a veritable cult".
Foresight of Anonym is amazing: in the days of the Protocols' publication, Man was still
the measure of things, and full eighty years would pass, until Milton Friedman and Chicago
School would proclaim Market and Profit as the only guiding light.
Martin Luther was a competing product to Judaism, but the same materialist, Dualist thing
in Christian garb. He was just knocking the competition. The princes supported him because he
said that the peasants deserved to treated like animals. Because they were animals.
"When one discovers a tear in the fabric of reality, there is a natural tendency to nervously
peer within, wondering what mysterious objects might dwell there."
Very Lovecraftian statement. In the previous American Pravda, Ron Unz revealed the
polytheistic secret of Judaism. Perhaps the above "mysterious objects" found in the void
beyond the veil are the gods of the Kabbalah.
" two of his [Fleming's] most memorable Bond villains, Goldfinger and Blofeld, had
distinctly Jewish-sounding names, and that so many of the plots involve schemes of
world-conquest by Spectre "
Agree with the idea that Goldfinger is Fleming's concept of an international criminal of
Jewish origin, probably an agent of the Schiff or Rothschild cartels. But Spectre was a
representation of the shadow power in the Cold War -- the ODESSA/Die Spinne network of
diaspora Nazis who had operational ties with the Dulles faction at CIA.
Robert Aschberg is not the son, but the granson of Robert Aschberg. He was central in
Swedish maoism in the seventies, then turned to journalism. He has been a driving force in
the "anti-extremism"-movement in Sweeden. Not just the Swedish Institute, but also the Expo
– a Swedish branch of the ADL/SPLC "antiracist" network.
Transferring a good part of American manufacturing to China and beggaring the American
working class thereby had quite a bit to do with the Chinese economic miracle and that was
done by our own ruling class, not the Chinese.
Easy, the Entente were blocking Russian ports so that they could not be utilized by the
Germans, whom they were at war with.
This was of course a tragedy for Russia, since the Bolsheviks could point to this as
evidence of an Angl0-French "invasion" of Russia and portray themselves as its defenders
(even though they themselves were more or less direct hirelings of the Germans), while the
Whites got entirely negligible military benefits from it.
There's no need for conspiracies on this score. None of the Western Powers had a
democratic mandate to participate in the Russian Civil War, and having the Bolsheviks win was
not entirely negative from their perspective, since there would then be no need to share the
postwar spoils with it (the French were a partial exception, since the Bolshevik repudiation
of Tsarist era debt hit them far harder).
It's already here in the form of a mixed economy. What we need to fear is the new breed of
elites, Trotskyite racialists who have prospered in the capitalist game and now want world
revolution, at the behest of the Babylonian supremacist cult.
Another very significant book of the time is "The Rulers of Russia" 1938 by Father Denis
Fahey (Amazon), an Irish Catholic Priest who had traveled to Russia and analyzed the make up
and financing of the Revolution. He made most of the same points as Ron and his book was
widely sold at the time even in the USA. Although Fahey was a noted theologist he was also a
brilliant observer and acute analyst. I think that Ron Unz would be very interested to read
this book from a sophisticated and honest contemporary of the Revolution.
Correct, I
made a mistake , Robert is ofc Olof's grandson, it can't be otherwise even just
age-wise.
As a Swede (I assume), do you know what his position on Russia is? I imagine it's the
standard Putlerreich narrative, perhaps turned up to 11. I am curious to see if this guess is
correct.
Yes id like to see Unz take a run at anthony suttons work which strikes me probably true
but all these things so hard to get to bottom when memory holed by powers that be
Luther started out philo-semetic. He railed against the Roman church for using bad
technique in its efforts to convert Jews to Christianity. Once the Jews heard Luther and his
way of explaining the Gospel, they'd come around.
Then Luther met and interacted with many learned and influential Jews and modified his
views accordingly.
But Spectre was a representation of the shadow power in the Cold War -- the ODESSA/Die
Spinne network of diaspora Nazis who had operational ties with the Dulles faction at
CIA.
' "The German Imperial War Council of 8 December 1912 was an informal conference of
some of the highest military leaders of the German Empire " '
Yes, but
I think all the great powers were making preparations and calculations in the same
way.
Against this must be set the fact that Germany was essentially a 'satisfied power' at the
time. As even your quote implies, she sought no change in the status quo, but on the
contrary, feared such a change.
It was other powers that threatened to bring about that change: France, with her incessant
scheming and machinations to create a coalition that could avenge 1870, Serbia, with her
pathological belligerence towards everyone, Russia, with her Slavophile pretensions that, in
the upshot, led her to support a Serbia that was manifestly in the wrong. Here, too, France
played an apparently key if obscured role in egging both Serbia and Russia on, and then in
the case of Russia, making sure she didn't back down.
I am not arguing that Germany was innocent. I am merely insisting that (a) it was above
all the underlying paradigm that made an eventual explosion probable, and that (b) other
powers were more at fault.
There's a lot to be said about it. For example, it's been argued that if Austria hadn't
delayed and sought the support of Germany, but rather, had promptly attacked Serbia, then the
other powers wouldn't have found themselves taking up the positions that made general war
inevitable. Of course, this makes the rather dubious assumption that Austria could in fact
have quickly beaten Serbia, but it is an example of how the blame for the greater
conflagration shifts depending on how one looks at it.
Germany can be blamed for the gratuitious provocation of building a High Seas Fleet.
However, if there was any one nation that could have prevented the war from breaking out, it
would have been France. Absent her activities, a great war becomes discernably less probable.
Serbia would never have dared to have engaged in the provocations she did, and isolated and
without encouragement from France, Russia would have been more likely to seek security in an
accord with Germany and Austria rather than hostility towards them. After all, for Russia
above all, a great war objectively offered nothing. Finally, theories about British bankers
notwithstanding, I see Britain as less guilty than any other player. She didn't even
have an immense conscript army. She was the only player who had refrained from
building one.
The joy of Jewry at these events was not merely the joy of triumph over an oppressor but
was also gladness at the downfall of hostile religious and semi-religious institutions
The resurgence of Russian Christianity under President Putin has left the 'joy of Jewry'
looking distinctly tattered. Enter the West's largely Jewish-owned governments and media
with their Russophobia campaign.
Good observations. However, the degenerate Western "elites," whose degradation was caused
to a large extent by decades of Zionist blackmail and corruption, are unable to mount another
serious challenge to a renewed Russia supported by a rapidly surging China.
therefore regarded American history as just too bland and boring to study.
By contrast, one land I found especially fascinating was China, the world's most populous
country and its oldest continuous civilization, with a tangled modern history of
revolutionary upheaval
In macro terms, Chinese history was more exciting because of massive upheavals and titans
like Mao.
But in micro terms, Chinese history of the 20th century was mostly simple: Until 1950, chaos,
humiliation, and incompetence. After 1950 to mid 70s, one-man show of Maoism, a period that
produced nothing of interest in thought, art, literature, science, technology, cinema, music,
etc. In contrast, US history produced so many important individuals and movements in the
arts, sciences, enterprise, music, and just about everything. For Mao to be god, everyone had
to be ant-like minions. The US, having a more stable system and short-term leaders, was less
exciting on a grand scale. But it achieved so much in so many areas.
That said, it's worth noting that whatever the figures that Schiff contributed during
1917, they would have paled into irrelevance to the 50 million gold marks ($1 billion in
modern currency) that the German government funneled through Swedish and Danish banks to
the Bolsheviks in Saint-Petersburg that year.
But we do not know how much money Schiff put into the project of revolution. We know that
he put a lot of money into Japan:
http://nda-repository.nda.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/11605/91/1/1-2_人文科学抜刷_村岡先生.pdf
By the end of 1905, Kuhn, Loeb&Co., to the surprise of many, floated a bond issue in
the sum of $200 million – equivalent to some $4.5 billion in today's money. Schiff's
loans were an important factor -- and his extensive financial involvement, a deciding
factor -- in bringing victory to Japan.
Is it possible that German project was linked and coordinated with Schiff? Who was
peddling this project to Germans? Are there any links between Alexander Pavrus and Jacob
Schiff?
He very matter-of-factly mentions that Schiff, Warburg and the other top Jewish
international bankers were among the leading backers of the Jewish Bolsheviks, through whom
they hoped to gain an opportunity for the Jewish exploitation of Russia ,
Echoes of the ((("Russian"))) oligarchs that looted the wealth and resources of the
Russian people following the generations of Jewish Bolshevik genocide and slavery of the
Russian people.
They go from being brutalized by commie Jews, to being looted by (crony,
klepto)-capitalist Jews. Such a deal!
Many people point out that the "Russian" oligarchs weren't all Jews, and neither was
Yeltsin- who summarily betrayed Russia and her people to destitution on behalf of their most
intractable enemy, and they'd be right.
But I feel an article like this should include the worst and most loathsome man who ever
lived, and he wasn't a Jew.
Schiff and Trotsky would have been stopped long before their treachery could have sent
Russia and millions of others reeling into the abyss, were it not for the most execrable man
who ever befouled the ether; a one president Woodrow Wilson.
It was Wilson who accommodated Schiff by betraying the American people and handing over
the keys to our Treasury to this sinister cabal of Jewish supremacist banksters.
It was Wilson whose betrayals and intrigues allowed for Trotsky to escape Canadian
internment and be sent with 'suitcases' full of lucre into Russia, with Wilson even arranging
a passport and transport documents.
Also, we shouldn't forget that it was also Wilson who promised the American people that he
would keep us out of the war, (and was consequently elected president) and then did all he
could to betray that promise, and involve us in that disastrous conflict.
Let's not forget that it was Wilson who foisted the ruse of his "Fourteen Points",
guaranteeing 'self-determination' to Germany if she laid down her arms, only to betray
Germany with a starvation campaign into signing Germans into perpetual slavery. Leading
directly to WWII, and all the attendant horrors.
The weight of Woodrow Wilson's singular treachery, treason, betrayals and enormities is
beyond my comprehension, but when calculating the worst villains of the 20th century, he
certainly takes all the cakes I can think of.
The Bolshevik government of Russia paid the volume its own sort of deep respect, with
mere possession of the Protocols warranting immediate execution.
Not just possession of the Protocols, but any perceived 'anti-Semitism' was declared a
capital offense when Lenin came to power. (I remember reading somewhere, that this law, death
for "anti-Semites", was the first one enacted, but I don't remember where I read that).
with the Schiff story seen as conclusion proof of his delusional
anti-Semitism.
conclusive ?
Plato and Machiavelli as a classic of Western political thought.
the problem I would have with calling it "Western", is that I consider the Protocols (and
Bolshevism), as distinctively anti- Western.
For me, the meaning of 'Western' goes back to the Greeks and Romans, marching though
Bysantium and finding its perfect expression in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill
of Rights, and is an expression of something intrinsic to the spirit and genes of Western
man. Fundamental to what I'd describe as the ultimate virtue of the West, is honor.
IOW honesty, decency, blood, home and hearth. Father and motherland, and fair play.
Whereas the Protocols seems to mock these notions as the weaknesses of 'beast-like'
simpletons. The Achilles heal of the West- to be exploited as a means to bashing the West on
the rocks of genocidal malevolence, and enslaving the survivors, just as the Old Testament
commands.
So it's difficult for me to consider the Protocols anywhere near the writings of
Plato/Socrates, who seemed above all to love the Truth. Whereas such quaint weaknesses like
'honor' are exploited in the Protocols with sinister glee.
Sort of like comparing Ron Paul to Richard Pearl. To me they are mutually exclusive.
Anyway, you're a magnificent and brave intellect Mr. Unz, for taking on these most salient
and even urgent issues of our day.
Brother Nathanael Kapner at realjewnews.com has published several pieces on the status of the
Protocols,showing why they are not to be dismissed with the usual tired responses such as
"forgeries". Put Protocols in the search box at his site.
It was the Times on microfilm so a reproduction of that days edition. Don't get me wrong
the Times article can be read as fully endorsing them, but that is the bit where the piece is
rhetorically imagining the effect of the Protocols on lesser minds, so such a quote would be
really obtuse if it was sincere . The Times article that is often cited as accepting the
Protocols authenticity actually took it for granted that the Protocols were fake, it just
bemoaned the lack of information proving they were not what they purported to be. The Times
piece was an appeal for someone to find out exactly who wrote the protocols.
Balfour already in 1907 said to the USA ambassador 'that maybe war was the cheapest way to
keep the British standard of living'.
Patrick J. Buchanan, 'Churchill, Hitler and "The unnecessary war", How Britain lost its
empire and the west lost the world', New York, 2008, Balfour, US ambassador Henry White,
1907, page 48/ 49
See also:
Fritz Stern, 'Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German
Empire', New York, 1977.
Jakob Wassermann, 'MEIN WEG ALS DEUTSCHER UND ALS JUDE', Berlin 1921
'From prejudice to destruction', Jacob Katz, 1980, Cambridge MA
'Christianity and the Holocaust of the Hungarian Jewry', Moshe Y Herclz, 1993 New York
University press
Never heard of this treaty.
If you just read the introduction you understand that it never was.
If you understood anything of geopolitics you would know that never would Britain allow
Russia free access to the Med.
The movement of grain ships from Russia to the Med interrupted for two days, already Russia
could not pay the interest on her foreign debt.
So the Straits were perfect for controlling Russia.
It of course may have been that perfidious Albion held out a herring.
We Americans proved in 1863, 1917, 1940, and 1948 (this last continuing until 1971) that
those can be put together quickly, as long as you have a strong cadre to start with. The
British have a strong tradition of reserve units, also.
So when I read these Pravda articles, I am always frustrated because Ron Unz is always
deferring to some hidden jew in his background who he knows will take offense at what he
says, so he has to temper it. Because he is a jew, he cannot call a lying jew a lying jew, or
he will be ostracized and boycotted even more. Unz tells us how Ford documents event after
event for 80 chapters about how jews have conspired, tricked, committed fraud, and even
murdered Christians, sometimes in rituals, to cover it all up, yet as a Jew he cannot
understand that we Christians find this centuries old, documented, and still ongoing, satanic
blood conspiracy to be worthy of more than a nod and a "tsk".
I think within the last few weeks Ron has shown immense courage. Ron is an agent of reform
and I am thankful he exists.
For God's sake read Strunk and White, or if you have, follow Strunk's rule: "eliminate
unnecessary words": all those damn intensifiers -- very, actually, entirely, somewhat, rather
importantly, extremely, considerably, exactly, etc.
None of the civilisations mentioned has been continuous in the sense of unconquered. All
have been subject to foreign conquest, partition and warring states at various times. The
last continuous civilisation was the Japanese, until their defeat in 1945.
No, my money for "the eminent computer scientist" is definitely on Claude Shannon, whom I
ran into a couple of times in the 60s at the house of a Jewish friend and mentor of mine with
whom he used to play chess. I knew about his communism, but not about his Jewish mother. The
main thing about him, of course, was that he had pioneered information theory.
"eliminate unnecessary words": all those damn intensifiers -- very, actually,
entirely, somewhat, rather importantly, extremely, considerably, exactly, etc.
Once I checked around a little, I discovered that numerous mainstream accounts described
the enormous hostility of Schiff towards the Czarist regime for its ill-treatment of
Jews
But the Czarist regime had already fallen in March 1917 and the liberals that replaced it
enacted Jewish emancipation.
And the allies, including the US, had no interest in overthrowing the provisional government,
they wanted it to continue the war against Germany, so Schiff would have acted against
American interests, surely not without some risk.
And of course in November 1917 there was the Balfour declaration, which should have aligned
any ethnocentric Jewish nationalist with the Allied cause.
So apart from irrational hatred of Russia, what plausible motive could Schiff have had for
financing the Bolsheviks?
By the time Jewish capitalists financed the Bolsheviks they had honed their weaponized
economics to a high degree. The similar MO of most if not all "revolutions" in Europe gives
credence to the reality of this articles premise.
It is not hard to find Jewish financing for Cromwell, and later William of Orange. One of
the first things William did after deposing James was borrow money to fight France from a
central bank the newly created Bank of England. The French and the Bolshevik revolutions were
instigated and financed and the reining monarchs were murdered just like Cromwell executed
Charles the first. In France the aristocracy was wiped out. Napoleon thwarted the banker plan
in France and was put down with Rothschild financing. The revolution in Germany that deposed
Kaiser Wilhelm and ended WWI was all too similar though the Kaiser escaped the fate of his
cousin in Russia. Like Napoleon, Hitler thwarted the agenda planned for Germany, that is a
Bolshevik slaughter of Germans. WWII was the result. As Russia is all too aware the US spent
billions to hire revolutionaries to depose the elected, Russia friendly government in the
Ukraine.
The revolutions are not ideological. All that "workers paradise" and "freedom and liberty"
drivel is to motivate the peasants. Russia was pillaged and the likes of Jacob Schiff
received a 20-fold return on investment. Only Bankers win the wars.
This dipshit led the program Trolljägarna (Troll Hunters), which EXPOSED
internet commenters with right-wing views. Such as the dangerously extremist view that Sweden
is for Swedes.
Rysslands Vladimir Putin har trollfabriker som jobbar dygnet runt och har satt upp
tweet-robotar som den senaste tiden gjort allt för att stödja separatisterna i
Katalonien.
Russia's Vladimir Putin has troll factories who work around the clock and have set up
Twitter robots that the most recent time did everything to support the separatists in
Catalonia.
Karl XII should be reviled less for his disastrous invasion of Russia and more for
bringing the Jews into Sweden for the first time ever.
Add to that the tight connection between jews and the secret police and spys and –
you know: intelligence services of all kinds in Eastern Europe. It's said, that they
were heavily dominated by Jews – one of the rather solid reasons for anti-semitism
there after the implosion of the Eastern Block.
Later famous German literary critic Marcel Reich-Ranicki for example was one of those
secret service men in London after he had survived the Third Reich in a hideawy in
Poland.
his is one reason why Jews keep insisting that blacks who commit crimes should only get
a slap on the wrist and be turned loose right back into society again. They honest-to-god
think that scolding will stop sociopaths in their tracks, in denial of all evidence,
Why do you assert that Jews insist criminal blacks be let out because they honest to go
think scolding will work
as opposed to
that the Jews insist blacks be let out because they are parasites who want to weaken their
White host?
What makes YOU an expert in what goes on in Jews' minds?
There are some other examples of Jewish influence in America which few people are aware of.
In the latter part of the 19th century, it became customary for the United States to send
Jewish ambassadors to the Sublime Porte. The first Jew was appointed in 1889, and up until
the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire WASPs would only hold the post for a total of seven
years.
The reason why hardly needs to be explained.
Jews also helped poison Russo-American relations in this period (which previously had been
quite friendly) by successfully lobbying the American government to intervene diplomatically
every time there was a pogrom in Russia.
Jews have never found a more secure perch than within the Anglo-Saxon nations of England and
the United States.
Jews have rarely displayed any gratitude whatsoever for being able to launch their global
plots from such safe perches.
Jacob Schiff was a Jew globalizer banker who funded the Jew-controlled Bolsheviks in
Russia. The Jews were so fond of Bolshevism because they saw it as an excellent way to attack
and destroy their European Christian enemies.
Paul Singer, George Soros, Seth Klarman, Mark Zuckerberg, Shelly Adelson, Mike Bloomberg
and many other wealthy Jews are no different than Jacob Schiff.
Mass immigration will prove to be the ultimate undoing of the Jews in European Christian
nations.
The response to the Jew push for open borders mass immigration will be the mass expulsion
of Jews from European Christian nations.
Much of the problem with Jacob Schiff and his ilk is that he actually thought the
'socialist utopia' was achievable. He believed all the propaganda. When he was donating his
money, he had no clue the communist takeover would turn out to be a bloody failure detested
by the Russian people who lived all their lives under the system, although there was
certainly a strong element of "Let's get revenge on the Tsar and his ilk for treating us
like animals," in Schiff's thinking.
Lol no!
The "socialist utopia" angle was clearly designed to appeal to the poor Russian goyim. Did
I miss the part where Schiff abandoned his treasures and moved to Russia to bask in that
utopia?
The "revenge" angle was the goal. Obviously. He poured money into "utopia propaganda" and
into "revenge". Only one of them worked as advertised. Imagine my shock.
Much of what Jews have been trying to do in politics during the 20th century is
idealistic
Haha, save that shit for Yahoo Answers or Wikipedia.
Is it possible that German project was linked and coordinated with Schiff? Who was
peddling this project to Germans? Are there any links between Alexander Pavrus and Jacob
Schiff?
From The World at the Cross Roads by Boris Brasol (1921), pp. 70-71:
The full history of the interlocking participation of the Imperial German Government and
international finance in the destruction of the Russian Empire is not yet written. Much
time and research will be required in order to disentangle the complex relations between
the two powers, which sought to beat down the Russian Colossus which for centuries stood as
a watchful sentinel on the border of Europe, protecting Western civilization from savage
invasions originated in the depths of Asia.
It is not a mere coincidence that at the notorious meeting held at Stockholm in 1916,
between the former Russian Minister of the Interior, Protopopoff, and the German Agents,
the German Foreign Office was represented by Mr. Warburg, whose two brothers were members
of the international banking firm Kuhn, Loeb & Company, of which the late Mr. Jacob
Schiff was a senior member. Nor is it a mere coincidence that in the later stages of
the Russian Revolution we still find international finance hard at work engaged in further
endeavors to break the last resistance of Russia against the onslaught of the "Triple
Alliance" -- that is of the Central Powers, Revolutionary internationalism and
International Finance itself.
In the latter part of the 19th century, it became customary for the United States to
send Jewish ambassadors to the Sublime Porte.
The most famous being Henry Morgenthau Sr. (1913-1916), perhaps now better known for being
the father of Henry Morgenthau Jr., father of the "Morgenthau Plan".
Morgenthau Sr. was the maternal grandfather of the historian Barbara Tuchman (Guns of
August ).
It was a real agreement. Why do you think the British attacked Gallipoli? It was to fulfil
the promise to Russia. The Russians gave a Quid Pro Quo in the form of allowing Britain a
larger occupation zone in Persia.
By contrast, one land I found especially fascinating was China, the world's most
populous country and its oldest continuous civilization, with a tangled modern history of
revolutionary upheaval, then suddenly reopened to the West during the Nixon Administration
and under Deng's economic reforms starting to reverse decades of Maoist economic
failure.
I used to believe the mainstream American narrative on this too, until I realized that the
faster economic growth starting from the reforms had more to do with China's finally being
able to trade with the US (at its core more a product of what happened later on in Mao's era
than what Deng and his supporters did) than with the accompanying change in economic policy.
I came to the conclusion that China in 1970 had more or less secured herself to the extent
that establishing relations with the US became a possibility. With the industrial and modern
foundation already developed and integration into the wider international community, rapid
economic growth became more or less inevitable. One can think of China in Mao's years as
having developed a proven to work operating system and programming language in bootstrap
mode, on top of which the application software that delivered more immediate and tangible
returns were built as part of "economic reform." Many knowledgeable people in China feel the
same; that those reformists who returned to power afterwards were actually less competent
leaders taking undue credit by building on the work of others.
With the Chinese people clearly having such tremendous inherent talent and their
potential already demonstrated on a much smaller scale in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore,
I believed there was an excellent chance that Deng's reforms would unleash enormous
economic growth, and sure enough, that was exactly what happened. In the late 1970s, China
was poorer than Haiti, but I always told my friends that it might come to dominate the
world economically within a couple of generations, and although most of them were initially
quite skeptical of such an outrageous claim, every few years they became a little less so.
The Economist had long been my favorite magazine, and in 1986 they published an especially
long letter of mine emphasizing the tremendous rising potential of China and urging them to
expand their coverage with a new Asia Section; the following year, they did exactly
that.
I think the comparison between China and Haiti in the late 70s is patently ridiculous, for
obvious reasons. Many in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Singapore look down on mainland Chinese for
being much poorer and for being
共匪 . The reality is that it's like comparing ordinary engineers in the
dominant company to those who started and built an inferior but for the most part working
alternative. And now, that alternative China created is starting to become serious
competition to the long established market standard.
These days I feel tremendous humiliation for having spent most of my life being so
totally wrong about so many things for so long, and I cling to China as a very welcome
exception. I can't think of a single development during the last forty years that I
wouldn't have generally expected back in the late 1970s, with the only surprise having been
the total lack of surprises. About the only "revision" I've had to make in my historical
framework is that I'd always casually accepted the ubiquitous claim that Mao's disastrous
Great Leap Forward of 1959-61 had caused 35 million or more deaths, but I've recently
encountered some serious doubts, suggesting that such a total could be considerably
exaggerated, and today I might admit the possibility that only 15 million or fewer had
died.
Wow, what exactly did you expect back in the late 1970s for the next forty years? More or
less what's happening now? And that was considered extremely farfetched at the time? The more
I look at it, the more I realize that China in the late 1970s was in essence not anywhere
near as bad as it might have appeared on the surface. There was already, for instance, the
expertise to develop not great but passable nuclear submarines, which Andrei Martyanov
characterized in his book as "the most complex machinery in human history." I also realized
that that estimate of 35 million was made by comparing to the death and birth rate of 1958
(so number of excess deaths plus number of fewer births relative to 1958 baseline). It's
laughable to label a "dictator" one does not like as a "mass murderer" by comparing himself
to himself in population statistics. The overall trend was that during his 25 years, the
population of China went from 475 million to 900+ million, hardly what one would expect from
a genocidal state.
Now that China is so much more powerful and credible internationally, more people will
discredit what those silly and politically motivated American scholars have put in their
history books for the masses.
I'm a pretty exceptional and extreme guy (as are you Ron), so I naturally prefer those who
dare to use more extreme and unorthodox approaches. I like revolutionaries who transform
weird into normal, be they in science, be they in politics. Because the most consequential to
our civilization happens at the extremes. Because there's so much more of a story to tell.
Mediocrity and conformism is the default, and more people ought to try radical (but
appropriated hedged) methods if societal advancement is to be optimized for. Like, what
Stalin did, in pioneering the planned economy, was truly revolutionary and met with fierce
opposition from the outside world, but it proved to be a miraculous success. Mao replicated
it successfully in the Chinese context to modernize China. I think Mao was a genius poet and
political thinker and leader and a true revolutionary at heart. His brothers and sons were
all killed for "revolutionary" activities. Nearing the last decade of his life, he wasn't
about leaving behind wealth and power to heirs of blood like the typical dictator/magnate, as
he had few real ones. Most likely, he cared much more about his legacy and what would happen
to China afterwards. He distrusted those people under him running things, Deng included, who
were scrambling to ensure the best position for themselves and their children after he died.
So he launched the Cultural Revolution, using popular uprising to instigate a political
reshuffle at the top. Of course, the people who made it to the top who ran things during his
last decade were very questionable. He may well have been quite displeased with the result.
Nonetheless, he probably felt this political balancing would be the healthiest choice for his
legacy, for the political situation afterwards. The people he brought down came back to power
after he died, and I'm sure many of them secretly resented him but were too scared to say
anything. So he succeeded, unlike Stalin, in not getting posthumously denounced. And China is
still thriving forty years after his death, though maybe not as much as he would have
hoped.
As I write this, I am reminded of Mao's poetic quote:
人间正道是沧桑, which means literally "the correct
course for the human world is for seas to turn into mulberry fields."
Re Nixon and the problems of hiding the ethnic dimension of red-baiting, it was always
puzzling why conservatives focused so much on "Whitaker Chambers and Alger Hiss" because the
story itself seemed pretty inconsequential and not really worth the monumental status it
seemed to possess for conservatives. Now it makes sense if Hiss served the role of being the
respectable, WASP target of redbaiting.
Westerns on TV would have Native Americans burn down everything within sight [and mostly
without any logical reason].
But when you start looking at who're behind such scenarios [writers, directors,
producers], you'll discover a projection of pogroms [quite often by Jews with an Eastern
European background].
And, yes, I fell for it too.
The Hollywood
Indian – Link to Wikipedia [this being a Wikipedia entry, don't expect to find the
full and naked truth]
Wasn't "Fordism" the official state religion in Huxley's "Brave New World", with the
symbol of the capitol T in honor of the Ford Model T automobile replacing the Christian Cross
(resembling the lower case t) as the primary religious symbol?
Not a fact that "Jews have rarely displayed any gratitude .". In the Anglophone countries
many of the great charitable gifts, to art galleries/ museums, to medical research and
hospitals, to musical events and institutions and other objects of charity are from Jews.
The intellectually curious know the problem of Jewish, power, influence , propaganda, and
subversion. Enlightenment has tremendous value, but the paramount question is how do we stop
international Jewish power. The combination of ethnic unity, wealth, media manipulation, high
IQ and institutional infiltration creates a formidable deadly opponent. This has been going
since the ancient world.
JQ has dire consequences for the very survival of western civilization particularly with
mass demographically swamping immigration policies.
What will happen to Jews when the Occident becomes minority majority? Jews will be
perceived as just any other white person by minority groups, many of which harbor hatred
against Jews. There will be a Chinese world hegemony when the west falls, which will not be
good for Jews. The elite Jews need to wake up. Destroying the goyim is not good for them!
Isn't Gallipoli – and the original attempt to send warships through the Bosporus
– explicable as
1. An attempt to knock a German ally out of the war
2. Open an ice free supply route to Russia (and maybe an export route for Russian
grain?)?
If anybody ever benefited from the Bolshevik revolution – it was the workers in the
west, primarily US.
The October revolution forced the capitalists to make concessions to the working class
that they wouldn't have otherwise made simply out of their good natured kind hearts.
If the Jews were so diabolical to unleash the Bolshevik revolution because of sinister
motives only, how come that they didn't predict that it's going to hurt their profit margins
in the US – via increased wages and benefits that they were forced to pay in order to
keep the working class calm – out of fear that the Bolshevik revolution might have
given them some ideas about conducting feasibility study of staging a copycat revolution.
If actually said it counts for some fraction of one per cent of the needed evidence. That
is true, in particular, because it suggests no knowledge of Balfour the man. I recall a
vignette (here's another tiny fractional piece of evidence) from an essay by Leonard Woolf
(Virginia Woolf's v clever husband) in an essay where he describes Balfour in committee in
1915 receiving a note, pausing for just a moment, then continuing "as I was saying, in the
matter of an additional farthing .". The note told him of the sinking of the Lusitania. At
least my informants of what was said on the occasion of news being received of, first, the
invasion of the Soviet Union and, second, Pearl Harbour, reported "we've won the war" as the
enthusiastic expression on both occasions.
I commend resurrection of Leonard Woolf's writings as a pleasure awaiting Ron and like
minded fossickers for small nuggets (with hopes of greater ones).
Destabilize might not be quite the word for it. Pulverize and dilute the various
indigenous national identities? Yes.
One other related maneuver that is underway is that the Jews are giving Muslims territory
in Europe and the United States in exchange for the Jews' having taken Palestine. It's a form
of pacification, of letting the pressure out. It distracts the Muslims with the fruits of
capitalism and other material wealth and political power (in Europe and US). It also clears
potentially resistant young men out of Israel's neighborhood. I suppose one could also view
it as payment of compensatory damages.
Let he who is without hypocrisy cast the first damn .
It's by the way that I agree with your summary of the bust out phase of the life of the
crime organization established through the supposedly "Russian Revolution":
Echoes of the ((("Russian"))) oligarchs that looted the wealth and resources of the
Russian people following the generations of Jewish Bolshevik genocide and slavery of the
Russian people.
So, are not reparations owed to Russians? If so, they must not be financed by further
extractions from the Germans, who appear to be the victims of a set up for a holocaust
(Dresden, etc.) after a suitable pretext had been identified by the same cabal, more or less,
who financed and plotted the 1905 & 1917 insurrections in Russia. Adequate compensation
must include unconditional surrender of any and all ownership and control over the many
"Holocaust" museums that have been foisted upon us in order to cripple us with guilt and to
distract us from another painful pravda about Jewish history.
The painful truth about the Holocaust is basically just this: Any holocaust of Jews in
Europe during the 1940′s can be explained correctly as an own goal brought about by
compassionate activists such as Hugo Preuß. He and others labored for generations to
plunge Europe into chaos again and again and now again with the movement to abolish
border controls and to relocate to Europe tens of millions of Muhammadists, subsaharans
Africans, and other aliens.
I must add that, though WWI was set up by GB, France and the tsar, I never found
evidence that jews were involved in the conspiracy.
T he evidence is there already by 1903 in Zionist co-founder Max Nordau's stirring
speech that year to Zionists in Paris:
Litman Rosenthal:
"About a month later [~Sept. 1903] I went on a business trip to France. On my way to
Lyons I stopped in Paris, and there I visited, as usual, our Zionist friends. One of them
told me that this very same evening Dr. Nordau was scheduled to speak about the Sixth
Congress"
[...]
"When we reached the hall in the evening we found it filled to overflowing and all were
waiting impatiently for the great master, Nordau, who, on entering, received a tremendous
ovation. But Nordau, without paying heed to the applause showered upon him, began his
speech immediately, and said:"
'You all came here with a question burning in your hearts and trembling on your lips,
and the question is, indeed, a great one, and of vital importance. I am willing to answer
it. What you want to ask is: How could I -- I who was one of those who formulated the
Basle program -- how could I dare to speak in favor of the English proposition concerning
Uganda, how could Herzl as well as I betray our ideal of Palestine '
"The whole assembly was under the spell of Nordau's beautiful, truly poetic and exalted
diction, and his exquisite, musical French delighted the hearers with an almost sensual
pleasure. For a few seconds the speaker paused, and the public, absolutely intoxicated by
his splendid oratory, applauded frantically. But soon Nordau asked for silence and
continued":
'Now this great progressive world power, England, has after the pogroms of Kishineff,
in token of her sympathy with our poor people, offered through the Zionist Congress the
autonomous colony of Uganda to the Jewish nation. Of course, Uganda is in Africa, and
Africa is not Zion and never will be Zion.'
[...]
' let me tell you the following words as if I were showing you the rungs of a ladder
leading upward and upward: Herzl, The Zionist Congress, the English Uganda proposition,
the future world war, the peace conference where with the help of England a free and
Jewish Palestine will be created.'
Yes, I found that book as a free read online and read it. It is amazing how purely evil
and so filled with hatred those jewish Bolshevik torturers and mass murderers actually
were/are.
Every description in that book of the many, many ways jews invented for use as a torture
reminds one of Apache Indians of the 1800′s era. There is simply No method of torture
or murderous deaths, them bolshie jews will not do. One thing certain is, whoever reads that
book better have a strong stomach, and even the strongest of men will be found wiping a few
eye tears away now and then, since the abject brutality and totally Inhuman tortures
gleefully done border on being unspeakable.
And with No other valid reason to be found, other than a true explaination of how, be it
Talmudic religion, or other dna traits, or some form insanity present within jewry in
general, folks better trained medically than me can debate But the best reasons when all is
added up is simply jews are jews and its Bad for all non jews period. Far too many historical
evidences and eras seem to validate that regardless of which nation jews choose to infiltrate
in large numbers, so that it then becomes the Next New Host Nation of 1/2 of more of
international worldwide jewry. Very evil and immoral and unethical situations develop and
develop to the proverbial, Inth-degree every damn time.
And to date about the only remedy has been for every host nation to give jewry the Big
Boot Out.
At least now, todays usa host nation, none can claim jews still have zero places to call
home eh.
Israel's big enough to fit them all within it. And you can bet all you own, and win the
bet, if you bet that within two seconds flat of usa jewry finds out of a plan to get jewry
out of America. Most American dwelling jews will screech and squak and holler as if a swine
pig stuck with a dagger knife.
All of their constant talk of how jews so so love israel, how they Own it, and even most
every athiest jew when asked "Why so, a right to return eh jewboy"? Those athiests with out
skipping a beat, will answer back "Oh thats due to G-d (god) Gave land of israel to Us jews,
see"! Indeed that same god they reject and refuse to believe even exists, somehow Gave jews
lands in palestine like a real estate agent at centruy-21 real estate co. eh. And soon as
they get wind of an exit agenda, a thousand excuses to why cannot go live in israel shall
surface and do so fast. Benjamin Franklin, founding father, said it best. They are Paristies
and like Vampires a jew can't live off another vampire. Nor a flea live off of another flea
They always require a Host Body aka Nation to keep 1/2 of jewry in so to provide for the
other 1/2 thru too many corrput ways and means to list.
Yet no other method of fixing a host nation works. How long has america left before even
that option wont work. It sure be real swell if for a change jewry as a whole would finally
just act like Mr. Ron Unz, and be willing to admit to facts and truths without any baggage of
talmudic fantasy and jewy jewish fables eh I wont hold my breath for such, and expect that
unless jews are who make first moves to fix what they fucked up, it will not end good for
anyone involved.
Cannot help but wonder at times what if? What If, about 800 or so years ago when some Pope
and european Kings agreed to hunt down and find and Burn every talmud scrolls or copies etc
to be found What if they succeded and located every single one, by now 800 yrs later maybe
jewry would have assimilated much better and none of this would be reality.
However for now the real main reality is Yes usa Is latest Host nation, Yes many maybe
most jews within usa are grand kids of orig russian bolsheviks, and so far many of them have
shown their true colors and leave no secret that america is Next up to play role russian
whites and christians suffered so badly under .Read that book, see for yourself what a real
fully Depraved and pure evil jewish mind can conjur up when it comes to vicious unspeakable
tortures, and mass murderous venomous hatred for the "other" aka all non jews HINT: Forget
MSM claims of how bad a torture Water Boarding is!..Yes it too sounds not too nice to
experience, but compared to 1917 and onwards Russia and jewsih invented methods of tortures
and mass deaths, no comparison at all.
Many jews and their Shabboz goy defenders will likely claim such an honest book need be
Banned due to it creates more jew haters Well maybe so eh But maybe also after you read of
those vile evil methods, maybe some jews deserve being hated so badly. That alone should
cause naysayer jews and shabboz goys to divert atten To jews and seek a rapid and lasting
jew-fix, before too many more folks read the book perhaps.
Both of the reasons you give are valid in their own right. But it is a fact that the
British had given an assurance to hand Constantinople over to the Russians shortly before
they began the Gallipoli Campaign. If the campaign had succeeded Russia would have got
Constantinople and the Straits.
According to the site I mentioned above (firstworldwarhiddenhistory), the British attacked
Gallipoli to keep Russia in the war until the coming collapse of Germany and Russia –
hard to swallow but the authors make quite a compelling case. I do not want to unnerve anyone
but the site by these two Scots is certainly worth a mention on tis forum.
Aah, the myth of etternal Japan. In the fifth century, the nobility was 60% Korean, 20% Chinese, and 20% native. After that brief period, thie Shogunates were in power. The Mongol invasion was, indeed, unsuccessful, but enough landed and wrought havoc in
Kyushu, the Kamakura Shogunate fell as a result. That it never happened (they were all blown away by divine winds), is simply a confection
for the (unfortunately, still) occupying Americans.
In southern Kyushu, ynu can still see populations of Mongolian ponies, and markers of the
sites of landings and battles. One reason the right hates the current emperor is that he once acknowledged his Korean
ancestry.
People who say things like " [X] has been debunked " without giving any evidence of
the debunking of [X], debunk themselves.
It takes about ten seconds to buttress a claim of 'debunking' by typing in a reference to
the work that supposedly does the debunking.
I know this isn't a graduate seminar or a think-tank tea-room, but given Unz's
preparedness to disclose his previous naïveté (and the process by which
the scales fell from his eyes), it would be good form to make counter-arguments rather than
what amounts to a content-free tweet.
Give Unz some credit: he has the training to discriminate between sources, and seems
genuinely committed to figuring out what things are true and what are not. To assert that his
process is retarded (which is what you're doing by dismissing a source so flippantly),
without any obligation to buttress your assertion, makes you immediately suspect.
This Pravda article was once again a frustrating read because it once again tries to
dance around difficult issues while minimizing offense to jews.
When presenting controversial material, IMHO it is best to minimize offense to everyone,
so that the material can speak for itself. Do not give one's opponents an excuse to label the
article as anti-semitic or anti anything else. Do not give them an excuse to avoid thinking
about the subject matter. Present the facts.
I think the American Pravda series strikes the right tone, and each article surprises me
with vital historical information that has been memory-holed.
I don't think the West will fall, but it will certainly weaken relative to China and East
Asia at large. I feel like the Chinese are the most able to see through Jewish shenanigans
and also most politically able to openly talk about it.
There is a benefit from being half
isolated from Western culture. It's perfectly okay in China to be like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Rui#Controversy
. This is coming from the host of the most prominent English news show of CCTV, China's
virtual TV monopoly.
Chinese businessmen can openly say that Jews are the types to do
whatever they can to get ahead, scruples be damned.
I used to much admire, to a great extent
blindly, Jewish achievement, especially in science. I still do to a great extent. But now I
think they are overrated, especially in terms of raw ability. It's the combination of higher
raw ability and being a privileged minority group within elite Western culture. Nowadays, in
the US it's the East Asian kids winning the 100% meritocratic contests at the high school
level, where there is basically zero, human promotion subjective factor. Moreover, from the
40s on, the Japanese more or less held their own vis-a-vis the Jews in theoretical physics.
Yukawa, Tomonaga, Nambu, Maskawa, Kobayashi all won Nobel, and their work arguably exceeded
that of the typical physics theory Nobel, as there was still some bias in the committee,
against Soviets, against Japanese.
The more mathematical and theoretical and loaded on
individual brilliance the field, the better East Asians have done. My non-Jewish white friend
who placed at the top in elite math contests shocked me by suggesting that in terms of
biological intelligence, East Asians may actually be higher than Jews are.
' If anybody ever benefited from the Bolshevik revolution – it was the workers in
the west, primarily US.
The October revolution forced the capitalists to make concessions to the working class
that they wouldn't have otherwise made simply out of their good natured kind hearts '
I don't think so. When opportunity afforded, capitalists would be just has hard-hearted
and exploitative as ever: see Union Carbide knowingly virtually sentencing workers desperate
for employment to death by having them drill a tunnel through dry silica at the height of the
Great Depression.
On the other hand, long-term, the restriction on immigration drove wages up; Archie Bunker
was able to afford his own house and a stay-at-home wife on a forklift driver's salary, and
that wasn't a TV fantasy. By 1970, it was a reality -- and American workers were hardly
vulnerable to Communist propaganda.
But opening up the floodgates to immigration did away with that. Now we're back to masses
of desperate, suitably docile workers.
It's immigration, not fear of communism. Reduce the supply of labor; conditions for the
working man improve. Increase the supply of labor; they decline. This has been true since at
least the Enclosure movement.
Why do you think that naming a wing after oneself in a museum or university or hospital,
is an expression of ' gratitude '? It's an expression of economic power
, and is self-serving.
"Charity vampires" are a thing: they're the people who draw a $500k/yr salary, and
first-class travel and accom, from the proceeds of earnest-but-naïve 'chuggers' who
collect loose change from earnest-but-naïve citizens.
The notion that $2500-a-plate (and upwards) 'charity dinners/galas/events' exist to raise
money for 'charity', is marketing aimed at rubes. Such events exist in order for people to
rub shoulders with each other, in tax-deductible ways that specifically exclude hoi polloi
(because the price of entry is far too high).
The only thing more likely to fund the lives of an economic vampire than a self-styled
'charity', is a self-styled 'foundation'.
(Note – this is all completely independent of the ethnocultural background of the
vampire in question: Gentile, Joo, and Musselman too there are parasitic sociopaths in all
human societies, and they find the easiest grifts – 'charity' and politics chief among
them).
Claiming that a New York banker financed communist revolutionaries seems rather
implausible to me all the more so at a time when Czarism had already been overthrown and
legal discrimination against bourgeois Jews like Schiff had just been removed by the new
liberal government in Russia.
The situation in 1917 was very unlike that in 1904/05, and supporting the Bolsheviks would
have been much more extreme than supporting Japan (which was then a British ally; public
opinion in the US and Britian had been pro-Japan during the Russo-Japanese war).
I can't think of any plausible reason why Schiff would have supported the Bolsheviks (apart
from completely irrational hatred of Russia or did he want to support his old home country
Germany in WW1 and help Russia knock out of the war?). If he had wanted to make Russia ripe
for exploitation by Jewish finance as Unz seems to insinuate with his vague hints about
"Jewish exploitation", there surely would have been more fitting ways than supporting
communist revolution.
But yes, I suppose expecting an answer to those questions here is probably futile.
This screaming comes not only from the US mainstream, but also from that European elite
which has been housebroken for seventy years as obedient poodles, dachshunds or corgis in
the American menagerie, via intense vetting by US trans-Atlantic "cooperation"
associations.
Thanks very much for your feedback. You are correct the Stratfor numbers are all
over the place, but they were the best I could find.
It is difficult to find definitive numbers on the actual Russian Muslim population. Here
is another data point, which points to a quite significant increase in the Muslim population,
from 2008:
Meanwhile, identifying with religions other than Orthodox Christianity was more common
among younger Russians (13% among those ages 16-29, 7% among those ages 30-49) than among
older Russians (1% among those ages 50-69, 4% among those ages 70 and older). According to
the ISSP data, Muslims account for 9% of Russians ages 16-29, 6% of Russians ages 30-49, 1%
of those ages 50-69 and 3% of those ages 70 and older.
The Economist put the Russian Muslim population at about 24-25 million (I added all
the populations in the below map together) in 2002:
A Muslim power? It sounds bizarre. But Russia has more Muslims than any other European state
(bar Turkey); and the Muslim share of the population is rising fast. The 2002 census found
that Russia's Muslims numbered 14.5m , 10% of its total of 145m. In 2005 the foreign
minister, Sergei Lavrov, put the number of Muslims at 20m . Ravil Gaynutdin, head of
Russia's Council of Muftis, talks of 23m , including Azeri and Central Asian
migrants.
Russian Muslims might be less problematic than Middle-Eastern ones though, since they are
probably less inbred, i.e. fewer cousin marriages, and thus likely more intelligent and less
clannish, violent and fanatical, etc.
But their higher intelligence could also be an advantage to them and a double-edged sword
for the native Russian population if they ever wanted to take over the country, once their
numbers have reached critical mass and they are close to a majority in Russia.
Russia's formerly richest man is Muslim, for example:
I'm about 65% Russian, 25% Lak (Dagestani), and 10% other (mostly Italian, Jewish).
Russian 65% DNA doesn't make one Russian, which is primarily the function of culture.
That Political Economy degree from Berkeley surely is a signal for that. I like
humanities. Problem is a lot of US humanities is garbage
Most of them are. We can observe today the results of those "degrees" all over the place
-- cognitive dissonances follow and people become hysterical. In general, modern Western
"economism" (not all of it) operates of the "profound" assumption that wind blows because
trees are moving. Hence Wall Street, "GDP" and virtual economy with consequences of
post-modernism and post-industrialism. Per political, so called, "science" -- it is
altogether a whole other story. In the West, most people who have some grasp on reality are
people primarily from serious academia who dedicated life to a real science and history, and
some from military and intelligence -- the rest is a swamp.
According to the ISSP data, Muslims account for 9% of Russians ages 16-29, 6% of
Russians ages 30-49, 1% of those ages 50-69 and 3% of those ages 70 and older.
This is a highly interesting data point. There are more Muslims ages 70 and older in
Russia than among those ages 50-69.
What this indicates, in my opinion, is that Russian Muslims not only have more babies than
ethnic/native Russians, but that they also live longer.
This is likely due to not drinking alcohol, etc.
So the Russian Muslim population is not only expanding through higher fertility rates, but
also because of higher life expectancies.
According to United Nations statistics, the fertility of Russia's Muslims stands at 2.3,
much higher than the overall national fertility rate of 1.7.[21]
[...]
Its Muslim population is expected to rise from 16.7 million in 2010 to 18.3 million in
2030. A comparatively robust growth among the Muslim population could be attributed to
lifestyle choices like less or no alcoholism and higher rate of reproduction. While the
growth rate for the Muslim population in Russia is projected to be 0.6 percent annually
over the next two decades, the non-Muslim population is expected to shrink by an average of
0.6 percent annually over the same period.[22] Continuation of TFR differentials across
ethnic groups implies long-run shifts in the ethnic composition of the population.
Trey Gowdy is calling on the President and Americans to believe that Russia interfered in our
election and that they are our enemy. When did the war start? I missed it. He is wrong.
He should not be encouraging people to believe things when no evidence is produced, and
when the showing of "interference", or better, "attempted" interference made so far is
preposterous.
1) Russians campaigned for Trump on the internet AFTER the election was over
2) Russians put in campaign ads for all candidates
3) Russians hacked the DNC on the strength of the word of a partisan private organization who
actually worked for the DNC and allegedly examined the computer, when the FBI who had every
right to inspect the computer didn't, and on the strength of the Russian government leaving
the name of its first KGB agent in the metadata in Cyrillic letters.
This is to say nothing about the blatant bias and bad faith by the organizations saying
they interfered.
That is the showing made to the American people of Russian interference, or better,
"attempted" interference, and it is preposterous, stupid and wholly unworthy of belief.
What is Gowdy asking the American people to do. He is asking them dumb-down to the level
of retardation to believe this story. I'd just as soon go to Guantanamo Bay and have those
goons break open my skull and leave me brain damaged. Only then would I perhaps believe
it.
Those people who still think Trey Gowdy is some sort of great conservative warrior are
about as annoying as those who still do not realize that Steve Bannon is nothing but a
bloviating, Deep State douchebag.
says: July
22, 2018 at 8:25 pm GMT 100 Words @Cagey
Beast Thank you, this is an excellent summary of the situation right now. It's worth noting
too just how disconnected the establishment is from the wider public. They have enormous
financial resources and access to the entire legacy media but seem to have almost no real base
of support. Remember how the Never Trumpers had no one more prominent and well-known than Evan
McMullan (!!) to run as their candidate? Note too the tiny number of views the YouTube videos
of the Aspen Institute get: https://www.youtube.com/user/AspenInstitute/videos .
On its own, these things aren't conclusive proof but together they add up. The Aspen
Institute crowd is an almost entirely self-contained subculture. They seem to have no base of
support, beyond their stacks of money, job titles and the power that come with the various
offices they hold. That's probably why they can never stop calling their opponents "populists"
or why Bill Kristol keeps tweeting about encountering scrappy shoeshine boys who shout "give
Trump hell, Mr Kristol!" as he goes about his urban peregrinations. Aspen Institute does make
attempts at outreach, but they invariably cock it up by eliciting, recruiting, or suborning
every single person they bring in. The shitheads even tried to do it to me. You would think
they'd have a dossier saying I hate those cobags.
Their fundamental problem is, Aspen Institute is CIA. Their first and only instinct is to
use people like toilet paper. They don't want popular support. They want agents in complete
control.
Yes, the Aspen Institute is the CIA and the CIA is the Aspen Institute. Or, to be more
precise, the CIA is the armed wing of Washington's permanently governing technocratic party,
in the same way the KGB was the armed wing of the Soviet Communist Party.
Poor Julian Assange is likely going to be in their hands not too long from now. The
citizen of one Five Eyes country will be arrested by another and then sent off to the
imperial metropole, to be kicked around like a political football. The rest of us
Anglosphericals are expected to cheer or remain silent. Either is acceptable.
I hear you, and I sympathize, but this is not mass dementia.
The oligarchy that runs the United States was worried that Donald Trump might actually
(!!) take some consideration for the national interest of the people of the United States of
America. That will never do.
This is not irrational. The screaming, the hysteria, this is the utterly rational,
breathtakingly brutal reaction of a ruling elite that has the moral sense of a reptile. And
it's working. All of Trump's campaign promises to stop wasting trillions on pointless winless
foreign wars of choice, and instead spend that on our own country? Gone. And so much else
besides.
It's dangerous to underestimate an enemy. The useful idiot footsoldiers, screaming in
mindless herd instinct, are one thing. The people behind them – the Koch brothers, Jeff
Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, others – there is nothing at all mindless or demented about
them.
"It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only
one international in scope.
It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars
and the losses in lives."
And we ignored it.
26 years later, in 1961
, President Dwight
Eisenhower - a retired
five-star Army general - gave the nation a dire warning
about what he described as a threat
to democratic government. He called it the
military-industrial complex
, a formidable
union of defense contractors and the armed forces.
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
The potential for the
disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.
"
In his remarks, Eisenhower also explained how the situation had developed:
"
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry.
American makers of ploughshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can
no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense;
we have been compelled to
create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions
."
57 years after that, we see exactly what they warned about...
and as far as we can
tell, only Ron and Rand Paul remain to argue against 'war' - even though President Trump talks of
'peace', the bombing continues -
and so here we are today, beholden to the US war machine...
Limited number of resources on planet pretty easy to explain endless wars.
Only so much arable land to feed the people on this earth. Is it a wonder why
rapefugees by the millions will come to places where they will be fed and
clothed for free. Its paradise for those backwards brownie turds. Not to
mention most of the drinking water of this planet is found in the Northern
Hemisphere
Things are so ass backwards that the same people who would send their
son to fight in wars overseas for bankers and who will salute the flag
as their son come homes with one leg, don't understand that the war they
are not fighting right now is on their home turf.
this time it's different, this time the useless eater idle worker bees don't
need guns to shoot each other. this time they can be humanely and quickly
vaporized to maintain our leaders' control
Why is it that I make a comment on ZH, like: "if the Deep-State were eliminated
somehow, the USA would enter into an economic depression!" Then a few days later I
see my argument writ-larger on ZH???
"War is a racket. It always has been... It is the only one in which the profits are
reckoned in dollars and the losses in [men's] lives." [there], fixed it for ya.
Men, being disposable, are a free commodity to the MIC which makes war the
profitable racket it is. Value men and war becomes obsolete want to make war
obsolete? Value men. Until then - welcome to perpetual war ~
"The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with
Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia." 1984
So those Facebook ads posted by Russians in 2016 were just like Pearl Harbor, just like
9/11. It's war, says General Hertling! Get those boats in the water! And Trump is Putin's
tool!
I just put forth a hypothesis in the other comments thread which could also apply to
General Hertling, in my opinion, since he appears to be Catholic:
Hertling was born on September 29, 1953 in St. Louis, Missouri. He attended Christian
Brothers College High School in Clayton, Missouri, graduating in 1971 -- he is also a
member of the CBC Alumni Hall of Fame, having been elected in 2010.
Christian Brothers College High School (CBC High School) is a Lasallian Catholic
college preparatory school for young men in St. Louis, Missouri . It is located in the
Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Saint Louis and is owned and operated by the De La Salle
Christian Brothers Midwest District.
Most of these guys are Catholic; Brennan, Hayden, Panetta, Morell, etc.
I just wanted to explain why, I believe, them being Catholic is relevant in this
context.
My guess is that most of these guys' parents were likely supporters of Sen. Joseph
McCarthy, since his biggest support base was among Catholic Democrats, so they probably
grew up in a very anti-Soviet/Communist/Russian environment and households.
I believe their obsession with alleged, large-scale Russian interference in the election
and their McCarthy-like attitude and tactics might stem from and be a carryover from their
upbringing.
"This war in which we are now engaged is not -- cannot -- be a war between America's
two great political parties. As I have often said in the past, certainly the millions of
loyal Americans who have long voted the Democrat ticket love America just as much and hate
Communism just as much as the average Republican." -- McCarthy speech to the Irish Fellowship
Club, 1954
"... It is clear that Trump's own DoJ acted to sabotage him by releasing the indictments of the twelve russian GRU officials just before Trump's meeting with Putin. ..."
"... A year ago legislators introduced a bill in Sweden to restrict [total] media ownership to no more than 5% by any person, family, company or ethnic group. The Jews wasted no time screaming anti-semitism. ..."
"... It is a ritual, so the purpose is to convey loyalty. It doesn't placate anyone. What it unfortunately does is to undermine all else Derbyshire says. If he is this uninformed, or conformist, about basic facts, how can one take what he says seriously? ..."
Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic
nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a
population increasingly composed of aging drunks.
I'm not sure what the purpose of this somewhat jingoistic prefatory note is, or whom it is
intended to placate. It is a farrago of false, outdated stereotypes about Russia based
entirely on the situation there in the 1990s.
Like it or not, Putin is the democratically elected leader of Russia, in elections that
have been generally free and fair. They like him over there, and vote for him in huge
numbers. Given that per capita GDP in Russia is about 3-4 times as high as when he took
office, this is not surprising.
As for its being an "economic non-entity among nations", it is a mid-sized economy, about
the size of an Australia, Italy, India and so on, a $2 trillion economy, give or take, using
the purchasing power parity figures. It is no America, China, Japan or Germany, but is
nestled in the tier of countries just below those. Much of the disparagement of its post 2014
economy is based on the US$ figures of its GDP, a misleading measure that is severely
affected by transient fluctuations in the exchange rate.
Lastly, there is plenty of credible evidence that deaths from alcoholism have fallen by
50% or so, since the bad old days, two decades ago. Yes, that's still twice the rate for
males in the EU, but they're sobering up.
Russia has a number of problems but a rusting military? Derbyshire needs to be put up to date
with Putin's successful drive to modernize the Russian military. In some cases (for example,
the hypersonic missiles announced by Putin early this year) they actually have more advanced
weaponry than the US. And Russia has actually won a war in the Middle East (in Syria)
something that the US gave been unable to do for the last 15 years.
"Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic
nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a
population increasingly composed of aging drunks."
Putin took over on December 31, 1999. The country had been raped by the oligarchs and
suffered hyperinflation. Pensioners were driven into horrific poverty en masse. Life
expectancy plummeted. Putin neutralized the oligarchs without renationalizing industries and
put the economy on a more sustainable upward path. The people are now in much better shape,
including ordinary Jews. Drunkenness has lessened. Putin is reasonably popular. There is
hope. Russia also has new advanced weapons.
Losing the 2016 election was a terrible, colossal psychic trauma for the American Left.
They can't believe Trump did it by himself. They can't believe 63 million Americans voted
for him of our own free will.
This just shows that a lot of people no longer trust the MSM. The next step is to take a closer look at Congressional candidates and get commitments for
1) no ME wars 2) infrastructure spending 3) no mass immigration 3) stop $ billions for Israel
6) active swamp draining.
The poisoning in England of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty
It was the falsiest false flag in the history of false flags. Nothing about it made any
sense whatsoever. A complete PR operation. The whole(and failed) purpose was to derail the
World Cup.
Mr. Derbyshire is pretty good at spoon feeding people who enjoy being told that they're
superior to blacks, especially those who also think Brits are, in turn, above them.
But Mr. Derbyshire once again genuflects before his adoptive Uncle Sam, mindlessly
parroting the PutinIsEvilTyrant mantra that the likes of Pat Buchanan, Andrew Napolitano, and
occasionally even Tucker Carlson need to keep their spots along the Right side of
Establishia.
That Mr. Derbyshire does so here -- fancying himself a martyr in the war against
institutional thinking like that at National Review -- indicates naïveté or
cravenness.
Before further embarrassing himself by sharing his gulled views on Russia, he should read
and think about the work of the more informed, insightful authors at Unz Review who provide a
broader and better readership than he deserves.
The poisoning in England of Sergei Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty; it's
disgraceful, and deserving of diplomatic retaliation
Agree that "diplomatic retaliation" is called for. The U.S. should break off diplomatic
relations to the UK immediately, and through them out on their ear.
The Skripals are DEAD, murdered by MI5 to extend the useful life of Hillary's
anti-Trump "Steele Dossier" that Sergei Skripal helped concoct.
The fact that Britain claims to have Sergei and Yulia Skripal in custody proves that
Britain is responsible. British media coverage is smothered by "D notices" and blithely play
along with a ridiculous government "narrative" – another bad sign.
Does anyone really expect to see the Skripals alive again?
Who else do you expect will come back from the dead?
I don't think there is any reasonable way in which Trump can be said to be a more legitimate
president of his country than Putin. He did not even receive a majority of votes, after all.
Certainly, the electoral college is the way it is done in the US, so overall, Trump is still
the legitimate president of the US, but there are certainly fewer doubts in Putin's case than
in Trump's.
Calling Russia dysfunctional is completely ignorant. That may have been the case in the
90es when the authoritarian darling of the West, the drunkard Yeltsin was in power and the
Russian economy was ruined by oligarchs and American advisors. Things have changed a lot
since then.
The Romanovs undoing was the collusion of a large part of the Russian elite with the British
Empire – the very same British Empire that had happily contributed to the Japanese
Victory in the war of 1905.
The still-slandered Rasputin was a strong voice against the (for the Romanovs) suicidal
war of 1914, and, surprise, the British consul was present on the occasion of his
murder).
Indeed, our ruling class is crazy, as is any ruling class that sides with the British.
Sure, post-Soviet Russia has done naughty things. [ Crimea ] and they've intervened
energetically in Syria's civil war. Naughty for sure
Intervening in Syria's civil war is naughty? Thus saving a christian tradition of 2.000 years is naughty? Mr. Derbyshire certainly knows who is acting murderously naughty in Syria. What has happened in Syria is a disgrace for the christian West.
Derbyshire articles are always tricky: a sharp intelligence married to the capacity for utter
nonsense.
Once Derbyshire dismounts from his immigration/cultural Marxism hobby horse he often ends up
to his ankles in poo of his own making.
He seems to have swallowed the MSM/establishment line on the Skripnals hook, line, &
sinker. His views on Russia are simply embarrassing.
But, he's spot on re: causes of the Russia hysteria. Russia is the great convenience –
perfect to explain the defeat of the vile Clinton & a perfect stick to constantly bash
the President. (I didn't hear the whole of the Putin press conference, but my impression of
Trump's so-called treason was that he merely implied that the US's IC wasn't correct re
hacking etc So this amounts to treason ? Treason, because Trump is correct & the IC are a
ravening pack of liars & monsters.)
Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic
nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a
population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected
leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is
holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our bordersto share in our
blessed bounty.
So much bullshit. Putin is not an illegitimate leader. The is no country on the face of
the earth more corrupt than the US.
Derbyshire must be under attack by the Deep State.
Derbyshire is a phony. First of all, the deep state in the US is controlled by a certain
ethnic minority. They're not all patriotic Americans by any means. Trump is doing nothing
wrong by winding things up in Syria – or by making peace with Russia, a country with
which the US has little trade. I think Trump is preparing for a bigger clash with China and
the Russia and Middle East things are diversions. Of course, in a clash with China, which
side would Derbyshire be on? 'Nuff said.
Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic
nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a
population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected
leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is holding
back the tide of people trying to break in across our borders to share in our blessed
bounty.
Richard Lowry employed you for the amusement value of an elderly man making throwaway
remarks. In the course of your current employment, you and your readers might benefit if you
actually checked the numbers now and again.
1. You could classify Russia as a high-end middle income country or a 2d tier affluent
country. Depending on the metric you prefer, its productive base is the world's 6th largest
or 12th largest. Since 1998, it has registered a doubling of domestic product per capita with
a growth rate exceeding that of all but 5 European countries and all but 1 European country
from among those with a population exceeding 4 million. Of course, it has been more dynamic
than North America, the Antipodes, and the affluent Far East.
2. Russia's total fertility rate at 1.75 exceeds both the European and occidental means.
Russia, unlike many countries, has seen a dramatic recovery in fertility since 1998. If past
proves to be prologue, they may reach replacement-level fertility within 10 years. Israel is
the only affluent country with replacement-level fertility as we speak.
3. Russian life expectancy at birth (71.6 years) is depressed for an occidental country.
However, they've pulled out of the public health catastrophe they suffered during their
Yeltsin-era economic depression and have added 7 years to life expectancy at birth since that
time.
4. The homicide rate in Russia is high for an occidental country (11 per 100,000).
However, it's been cut by 30% in the last 7 years or so.
5. Russia's military expenditure ranks 4th globally. Persons familiar with proper
performance metrics can weigh in on how effective that military is. Please note, however,
that Russia is one of a small menu of occidental and quasi-occidental countries willing to
act independently abroad. (The others are the United States, Britain, France, and
Israel).
6. It encompasses all territory in the world which is predominantly Great Russian bar the
city of Narva in Estonia and some border counties in Kazakhstan. Over 90% of it's population
lives in territories in which ethnic Russians predominate. The only peripheral areas in which
Great Russians do not form a majority are in the Caucasus. About 4% of the country's total
population lives in those areas. Russia is not territorially over-stretched.
7. The political order is deficient in various ways. It is, however, pluralistic and
pluralistic to a degree matched in Russian history only between 1905 and 1918 and between
1988 and 2005. The degree of public assent to VP and his confederates in the Duma exceeds
that accorded a head of state and government in just about any other occidental country.
Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic
nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a
population increasingly composed of aging drunks.
Other commentators have noted how highly inaccurate this statement is, so I'll say only
that I lived in Moscow from September 2016 until January 2018 and the country that I saw in
no way resembles Derb's characterization. Russia has its problems but I don't see demographic
replacement or civil war in the cards, as I do for the [sooner-or-later-to-be] Disunited
States.
Russian control of the Crimea is essential to its national security; the Black Sea is to
Russia what the Gulf of Mexico is to the U.S. Any Russian leader, seeing the Ukrainian
government toppled by a U.S. backed coup, that failed to act to secure Crimea, is
irresponsible. The wisdom of Russian involvement in Syria can be fairly debated among
Russians, but Syria is a lot closer to Russia than to the United States. At least Russian
involvement in Syria is not the result of being a pawn of a foreign power, as it is in the
case of the U.S.
"Sure, post-Soviet Russia has done naughty things. They occupied the Crimea and they've
intervened energetically in Syria's civil war. Naughty for sure, but under strong
geostrategic compulsion: Russia needs those naval bases."
Seriously, you wrote this? Besides the hypocrisy of someone living in the US writing this,
you actually think the Syria thing is about Russia wanting naval bases.
That's so wrong, I don't know where to start. I'd be here for a while writing exactly why
I think Russia is in Syria. Not in my wildest imaginings did any of it involve naval bases
though.
"They've murdered people in foreign countries, too. The poisoning in England of Sergei
Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty; it's disgraceful, and deserving of diplomatic
retaliation -- which indeed it's got: 23 Russian diplomats were expelled from Britain."
So I take it you believe the Russian poisoned this guy?
"On 4 March 2018, he and his daughter Yulia, who was visiting him from Moscow, were
poisoned with a Novichok nerve agent.[5][6] As of 15 March 2018,[7] they were in a critical
condition at Salisbury District Hospital. The poisoning is being investigated as an attempted
murder.[6] He holds both Russian and British citizenship.[8] On 21 March 2018 Russian
ambassador to the UK Alexander Yakovenko said that Sergei Skripal is also a Russian
citizen.[9][10] [7]
On 29 March, Yulia was reported to be out of critical condition, 'conscious and
talking'.[11] A week later, on 6 April, Skripal was said to no longer be in a critical
state.[12] He was discharged on 18 May."
I say it never happened. I think it was made up out of thin air. Just for a talking point
and propaganda piece. And it is a clumsy, ludicrous framing job. Nothing clever about it,
just BS as brazen as Colin Powell lying his ass off to the UN.
So in England people theoretically exposed to nerve toxins get treated by the NHS at a
public facility? Really? Really? That's how they do it? Not by a military doctor trained to
specifically deal with cases like this?
I suspect trashing Russia makes him feel better about his own country going to shit. He
knows America and the West in general are anything, but "buoyant". A healthy, confident society does not elect president Donald Trump.
The 3d of these is apportioned about evenly between Zhirinovsky admirers and the
remainder. The last is apportioned between parties of a more social democratic or populist
bent and parties of a more social-liberal bent. The sort of Europhile element you're calling
'the leading opponent' is generally good for 7% of the ballots. People wanting that choice
had that choice, just not the particular person to whom you refer.
To add insult to the Left's injury, the Russians -- well, some of them -- returned
openly to Christianity. And not only did they drop actual Marxism, they showed no
enthusiasm for Cultural Marxism, marginalizing homosexuals and feminists and keeping
themselves overwhelmingly, shamefully, white.
So called "Cultural Marxism", or whatever is passing under this term in the West, didn't
exist in USSR since Stalin. It was a profoundly conservative society with a huge emphasis on
family values, with homosexuality considered a crime and with many other cultural features,
including "folkish" Russian culture (somebody has to lecture Western "academia" on what were
the most popular TV series in USSR in 1960s-1980s) promoted, including a massive and greatly
influential art-movement of Pochvenniki. But I guess for "connoisseurs" of Russian culture
whose bottom line is founded on Solzhenitsyn with some Pasternak and Hollywood cliches it is
difficult to admit the fact that they pretty much know nothing about Russia's history of the
20th century.
I'll even have to admit I agree with the people who piled on Trump for dissing our
intelligence agencies at the news conference. I'm not a fan of those agencies, or indeed of
intelligence agencies in general, ours or anyone else's. I think Trump's right to distrust
them.
Maybe. Maybe not. It is clear that Trump's own DoJ acted to sabotage him by releasing the
indictments of the twelve russian GRU officials just before Trump's meeting with Putin.
I would like to see a couple questions asked of Trump's critics (maybe Tucker Carlson
could ask them).
1.) When was the last time that the Justice Department indicted foreign intelligence
agents living abroad? Have they ever done it? Are we truly shocked that foreign spies are
spying on us?
2.) Has the CIA ever interfered with a foreign election? Is there any current operation in
which they are interfering with a foreign election? Have they supported any NGO or political
party in Russia that is in opposition to the current russian government?
3.) When did liberals decide that the acid test of loyalty to America is one's loyalty to
the US government's clandestine intelligence agencies?
Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic
nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a
population increasingly composed of aging drunks. Trump is the constitutionally elected
leader of a country so prosperous, buoyant, and secure, our main national problem is
holding back the tide of people trying to break in across our borders to share in our
blessed bounty.
Mr. Derbyshire, in what sense is Putin "illegitimate" as the Russian head of state?
I mean, for all my horror of the HellBeast (and it's substantial), let's face it: Trumpy
is the skin-of-his-teeth winner of a Constitutional, yes, but also corrupt and rigged,
election process. And our main national problem isn't holding back the tide of
border-breakers; it's the lack of any interest in doing so on the part of the ruling class,
and the failure of the ruled to rise up and overthrow our corrupt rulers. In a lot of ways,
we make Russia look pretty good.
The Russians went into Crimea after the US instigated a coup ("regime change") against
Ukraine. Crimea is the home to the Black Sea Fleet and has tremendous national importance to
Russia. Think of it as our San Diego.
The Russians went into Syria at the express invitation of the government of the Syrian
Arab Republic. The US is in Syria on the basis of "no one can tell us no." Might makes right?
Is that a principle the Derb really wants to endorse? (If need be, we could go deeper into
the weeds and discuss just who each side, the Americans and the Russians, are supporting in
Syria; that also favors the Russians.)
Perhaps the Derb should educate himself by visiting Pat Lang's site and reading what
non-propagandists are saying.
Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic
nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military
Watch it there, pal, you are coming dangerously close to what that genius Hitler once said
about Russia – something about Russia being a limp virgin ready to be taken into the
lustful mighty arms of German Mars – or some stupidity like that. It turned out that
our limp virgin by 1945 developed such a phallus that managed to tore a new one to
Germany.
If I was you, I wouldn't worry so much about the condition that Russia is in today, I
would rather worry about the shape that your country of origin – GB is in. On one hand,
Britain still rules over the same eclectic mix of people like in the glory days of its empire
– the only difference is that now they had to scale down their "empire" to about 244
000 sq km and also had to suffer some minor indignities along the way, such as organized gang
rapes from their subjects of indo-pakistani origin, but other than that – it's just
like it used to be.
Putin is the illegitimate leader of a corrupt and dysfunctional country, an economic
nonentity among nations, geographically overstretched, with a rusting military and a
population increasingly composed of aging drunks.
Bullshit!
They've murdered people in foreign countries, too. The poisoning in England of Sergei
Skripal and his daughter is beyond naughty; it's disgraceful, and deserving of diplomatic
retaliation -- which indeed it's got: 23 Russian diplomats were expelled from Britain.
More Bullshit!
I just don't think a news conference in a foreign country is the right place to air that
distrust.
That's your stupid opinion. It was a crappy presentation. And presentation for you means more than substance. You are
NOT helping Derb.
As for its being an "economic non-entity among nations", it is a mid-sized economy,
about the size of an Australia, Italy, India and so on, a $2 trillion economy, give or
take, using the purchasing power parity figures.
It's a $4 trillion economy using the purchasing power parity figures (the same as
Germany).
And many of them are dual citizens, foreign nationals, immigrants or the children of
immigrants, so they are not American at all. No one not a natural born citizen born to natural born citizens should be employed by the
US government in any capacity, including the military.
Mr. JD doesn't appear to keep up with the news about Russia Puzzling.
But even more puzzling: he believes the UK leaders nonsense about the "Skripals affair." A
bad sign, indeed.
As for Trump's performance at Helsinki, I don't see why he should be pained by it: it was no
worse than any of his previous shows.
And Putin was just his usual self: efficient and together. Trump did well to agree that Putin
should present the summary of their talks, as there was no time for producing a written
report for Trump to read. Putin had, as usual, taken notes during the two meetings.
What Trump said in his opening remarks was fine, and he sounded just right and convincing.
The problem arose when he was answering questions, and he certainly shouldn't have run his
intel down as he did, but in all fairness they don't deserve better.
I wonder why nobody denounces the asking of idiotic questions, solemnly to embarrass the
leader of another country [H.E. Mr. Putin] in front of an international audience ?
With the exception of the period 1919 1933 the USA, that is, the ruling class, wanted to
control the world.
In this period the ideas of the ruling class, to be precise, were the same, but the people
had enough of USA blood flowing for imperialism, neutrality laws came, the laws that FDR
hated.
If trying to control the world is crazy, I wonder.
Rome also then wanted to control the then known world, that is, the accessible parts.
The British empire controlled 40% of the world, also the then accessible parts.
So when in fact one man blocks that the whole world is controlled, the ruling class
assumes that after Russia had fallen China will fall too, I wonder if one can say they're
crazy.
If they are, then mankind has been crazy forever.
A historian calculated that on thirteen years of war in Europe on average there were three
years of peace.
If I'm right in my ideas on Trump, he's unique in world history, the first time the ruler
of an empire sees that the empire can no longer be held, and acts accordingly.
Those who still think the USA can conquer those parts of the world the USA does not yet
control, are, of course are near a nervous breakdown. Panic is not good for thoughtful solutions, if one of these days Trump dies unexpectedly,
from whatever cause, it will not surprise me.
What is interesting, to understate, what the reaction will be among those who elected
Trump.
Yeah, what happened to the Novichok story? Last I heard was that a person died 4 months after because she found a novichok dispenser
somewhere, and the UK announced that after painstakingly combing through CCTV footage and
Russian passenger records "they knew who did it".
Trump derangement syndrome makes idiots (greater idiots) of the establishment. These morons
can't see that the alliance between Russia & China is THE greatest threat to US
international ambitions. If appearances are correct Trump wishes to weaken that alliance
– which is diplomacy 101. Trump has a multitude of faults, but his actions re Russia
would possibly gain Bismarck's approval.
It seems this author can't overcome his Cold Warrior past of supporting (((Soviet
dissidents))) against the evils of Communism so he believes what he wants about Russia and
its current state. As others have pointed out here, if he's so wrong about Russia, he's
probably getting a lot else wrong as well. Perhaps Unz should become no country for old men,
and leave the revolution to the younger vanguard who seem much more reality based.
Based commentary by Michael McCaffrey for RT:
Captain America savages
Trump in battle of the useful idiots He just left out Mr. Schwarzenegger's tweets. People playing tough guys doing shouty politics by short message, thinking they are what
they pretend to be on stage. It's pretty liberal out there.
I would add number 7: dismantle the monopoly on American media and internet. You're not going to have a functioning democracy when one small ethnic group controls a
country's media. And expect the inevitable. A year ago legislators introduced a bill in Sweden to restrict
media ownership to no more than 5% by any person, family, company or ethnic group. The Jews
wasted no time screaming anti-semitism.
And expect the inevitable. A year ago legislators introduced a bill in Sweden to
restrict [total] media ownership to no more than 5% by any person, family, company or ethnic group.
The Jews wasted no time screaming anti-semitism.
I can understand person, family and company but ethnic group? Do you mean minority ethnic
group – or are ethnic Swedes not allowed to own more than 5% of their own media?
The Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Warfare just issued a report last week
stating that there is no evidence that chemical weapons were used in Syria. Another false
flag. I really don't believe a word I read in the press any longer. I can't believe that
anyone does.
The left means to take and hold power and that's it.
That idiot Andrew McCarthy from NR has just expressed astonishment that he could have been so
naive as to believe in the integrity of the FISA warrant process. What a load of
codswallop.
last year the BBC had a bunch of nostalgic puff pieces on the 1917 Revolution, this year all
the press is silent about the murder of the Romanovs. The brutal murder of that family was a grisly foreshadow of what was essentially a
government ran by a foreigners was to do to the Russian (and Ukrainian) people. and perhaps its a grisly foreshadow of what the globalists want to do to badwhites. also remember that 'revolution' was sponsored by many wall street firms, who made a ton of
money liquidating the nobility's assets
That stratfor chart is outdated and already proven wrong: It projects a total Russian
population of 137 million in 2020, but in 2018 Russia's population is 146 million (144
without Crimea), and it has been basically stable for years.
It's true that the Muslim share of Russia's population is rising, but it is doing so very
slowly, because the fertility of Russia's Muslims isn't high (below replacement in every
majority-Muslim region except Chechnya). It's currently something 1.9 children per woman for
Muslims, vs. 1.6 for ethnic Russians, and will likely equalize long before Muslims are
anywhere near a majority.
Muslims and the Chinese are taking over the south and east of Russia through high birth
rates and (illegal) immigration.
The trope that Chinese are taking over Russia's east is complete nonsense. Chinese have
little economic incentive to migrate north to Siberia, rather than south to the wealthy
regions of their own country.
what the purpose of this somewhat jingoistic prefatory note is, or whom it is intended
to placate
It is a ritual, so the purpose is to convey loyalty. It doesn't placate anyone. What it
unfortunately does is to undermine all else Derbyshire says. If he is this uninformed, or
conformist, about basic facts, how can one take what he says seriously?
I'm about 65% Russian, 25% Lak (Dagestani), and 10% other (mostly Italian, Jewish).I
have a degree in Political Economy from U.C. Berkeley.
Reminds me of http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/06/high-v-low-m.html
. That Political Economy degree from Berkeley surely is a signal for that. I like humanities.
Problem is a lot of US humanities is garbage, and if you have only a humanities degree from a
US school, smart, knowledgable people will assume you to be problematic.
Maybe I come across as high V low M too, but I'm not, see https://gmachine1729.com/writings-by-category/pure-math/
. Yes, I also consider many people in programming and software engineering to be high V low
M. I've seen Google senior engineers who don't even know what divergence or curl are.
Jewish activity in the porn industry divides into two (sometimes overlapping) groups:
pornographers and performers. Though Jews make up only two per cent of the American
population, they have been prominent in pornography. Many erotica dealers in the book trade
between 1890 and 1940 were immigrant Jews of German origin. According to Jay A. Gertzman,
author of Bookleggers and Smuthounds:The Trade in Erotica, 1920-1940 (Philadelphia:
University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999), 'Jews were prominent in the distribution of
gallantiana [fiction on erotic themes and books of dirty jokes and ballads], avant-garde
sexually explicit novels, sex pulps, sexology, and flagitious materials'.
In the postwar era, America's most notorious pornographer was Reuben Sturman, the 'Walt
Disney of Porn'. According to the US Department of Justice, throughout the 1970s Sturman
controlled most of the pornography circulating in the country. Born in 1924, Sturman grew up
in Cleveland's East Side. Initially, he sold comics and magazines, but when he realized sex
magazines produced twenty times the revenue of comic books, he moved exclusively into porn,
eventually producing his own titles and setting up retail stores. By the end of the 1960s,
Sturman ranked at the top of adult magazine distributors and by the mid-70s he owned over 200
adult bookstores. Sturman also introduced updated versions of the traditional peepshow booth
(typically a dark room with a small colour TV on which the viewer can view X-rated videos).
It was said that Sturman did not simply control the adult-entertainment industry; he was the
industry. Eventually he was convicted of tax evasion and other crimes and died, disgraced, in
prison in 1997. His son, David, continued running the family business.
The contemporary incarnation of Sturman is 43-year-old Jewish Clevelander Steven Hirsch,
who has been described as 'the Donald Trump of porno'. The link between the two is Steve's
father, Fred, who was a stockbroker-cum-lieutenant to Sturman. Today Hirsch runs the Vivid
Entertainment Group, which has been called the Microsoft of the porn world, the top producer
of 'adult' films in the US. His specialty was to import mainstream marketing techniques into
the porn business. Indeed, Vivid parallels the Hollywood studio system of the 1930s and
1940s, particularly in its exclusive contracts to porn stars who are hired and moulded by
Hirsch. Vivid was the subject of a behind-the-scenes reality TV show recently broadcast on
Channel 4.
German Christians whose children are force-fed LGBT sex ed in schools and where home
schooling is not permitted, and where parents will be arrested if they do not put their
children in the schools, have sought asylum in Russia, and there have been more than a few of
them, much as the media likes to ignore it. When the US no longer allows home-schooling, and forces their children into the schools,
you will see the same thing happening in the US. Christian Americans will be seeking asylum in Russia
When Trump said he considers Russia a "competitor", he was right. No truer words were ever
spoken.
But the only way to get Americans on board with the greedy plans of greedy people in and
out of government is to demonize your "competitors."
"Naughty things in Syria"??? Saving the non crazies in Syria from jihadi lunatics is naughty?
I suppose if you an Israeli, Saudi or US Democrat. To others , Russia was a savior. This writer appears to be auditioning for a return to NRO.
Russia's economy is stillborn while China's is booming and feasting on America's assets
and market.
Russia's per capita product exceeds China's. It hasn't been as economically dynamic as
China (a 2-fold increase in per capita produce over 1998-2016, v. China's 3.3-fold), but it
has done quite well and has satisfactory macroeconomic indicators across the board. It's
export sector remains dominated by oil and minerals, there's an excess of state ownership in
the economy, and there are some quality of life issues (street crime). Room for improvement,
but not doing badly.
Not by a whole lot (China=$8,800 vs Russia=$10,900 2017).
Also, China's huge GDP is divided by 1.38 billion people.
I doubt anything more than 200-300 million of those ~1.4 billion are involved in contributing
anything significant to China' GDP. So their $12 trillion GDP is quite impressive.
Russia should be doing much, much better.
{It hasn't been as economically dynamic as China}
China's economic 'miracle' is largely thanks to America, like South Korea before, and like
Japan before SK.
America opened up its rich, practically unlimited market to Chinese goods _and_ American
companies were encouraged to setup shop in China ( .like in South Korea).
Chinese are smart people and they learned, and over time started creating their own.
You go to Home Depot or Lowes today and there is hardly _anything_ manufactured in US: it's
all "Made in China".
Russia, on the other hand, is considered an enemy by US, so everything is done to thwart
its economic progress. Russians are also at fault, but we cannot ignore the fact that China
got a huge boost from the economically advanced West to get its (dynamic) economy going.
"... The Russians could do nothing to build support for Trump, and there is not a hint of evidence that they tried. They might have done something to harm Hillary, because there was so much there: the private server emails, the Clinton foundation, the murder of Moammer Gaddafi, the call for a no-fly zone in Syria they didn't have to invent it. It was there. So was the hanky panky at the Democratic National Committee, on which the Clintonite accusations focus, perhaps to cause everyone to forget much worse things. ..."
"... When you come to think of it, the DNC scandal focused on Debbie Wasserman Schultz, not on Hillary herself. Screaming about "Russian hacking the DNC" has been a distraction from much more serious accusations against Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders supporters didn't need those "revelations" to make them stop loving Hillary or even to discover that the DNC was working against Bernie. It was always perfectly obvious. ..."
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Where to begin to analyze the madness of mainstream media in reaction to the Trump-Putin
meeting in Helsinki? By focusing on the individual, psychology has neglected the problem of
mass insanity, which has now overwhelmed the United States establishment, its mass media and
most of its copycat European subsidiaries. The individuals may be sane, but as a herd they are
ready to leap off the cliff.
For the past two years, a particular power group has sought to explain away its loss of
power – or rather, its loss of the Presidency, as it still holds a predominance of
institutional power – by creation of a myth. Mainstream media is known for its herd
behavior, and in this case the editors, commentators, journalists have talked themselves into a
story that initially they themselves could hardly take seriously.
Donald Trump was elected by Russia ?
On the face of it, this is preposterous. Okay, the United States can manage to rig elections
in Honduras, or Serbia, or even Ukraine, but the United States is a bit too big and complex to
leave the choice of the Presidency to a barrage of electronic messages totally unread by most
voters. If this were so, Russia wouldn't need to try to "undermine our democracy". It would
mean that our democracy was already undermined, in tatters, dead. A standing corpse ready to be
knocked over by a tweet.
Even if, as is alleged without evidence, an army of Russian bots (even bigger than the
notorious Israeli army of bots) was besieging social media with its nefarious slanders against
poor innocent Hillary Clinton, this could determine an election only in a vacuum, with no other
influences in the field. But there was a lot of other stuff going on in the 2016 election, some
for Trump and some for Hillary, and Hillary herself scored a crucial own goal by denigrating
millions of Americans as "deplorables" because they didn't fit into her identity politics
constituencies.
The Russians could do nothing to build support for Trump, and there is not a hint of
evidence that they tried. They might have done something to harm Hillary, because there was so
much there: the private server emails, the Clinton foundation, the murder of Moammer Gaddafi,
the call for a no-fly zone in Syria they didn't have to invent it. It was there. So was the
hanky panky at the Democratic National Committee, on which the Clintonite accusations focus,
perhaps to cause everyone to forget much worse things.
When you come to think of it, the DNC scandal focused on Debbie Wasserman Schultz, not on
Hillary herself. Screaming about "Russian hacking the DNC" has been a distraction from much
more serious accusations against Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders supporters didn't need those
"revelations" to make them stop loving Hillary or even to discover that the DNC was working
against Bernie. It was always perfectly obvious.
So at worst, "the Russians" are accused of revealing some relatively minor facts concerning
the Hillary Clinton campaign. Big deal.
But that is enough, after two years of fakery, to send the establishment into a frenzy of
accusations of "treason" when Trump does what he said he would do while campaigning, try to
normalize relations with Russia.
This screaming comes not only from the US mainstream, but also from that European elite
which has been housebroken for seventy years as obedient poodles, dachshunds or corgis in the
American menagerie, via intense vetting by US trans-Atlantic "cooperation" associations. They
have based their careers on the illusion of sharing the world empire by following U.S. whims in
the Middle East and transforming the mission of their armed forces from defense into foreign
intervention units of NATO under U.S. command. Having not thought seriously about the
implications of this for over half a century, they panic at the suggestion of being left to
themselves.
The Western elite is now suffering from self-inflicted dementia.
Donald Trump is not particularly articulate, navigating through the language with a small
repetitive vocabulary, but what he said at his Helsinki press conference was honest and even
brave. As the hounds bay for his blood, he quite correctly refused to endorse the "findings" of
US intelligence agencies, fourteen years after the same agencies "found" that Iraq was bursting
with weapons of mass destruction. How in the world could anyone expect anything else?
But for the mainstream media, "the story" at the Helsinki summit, even the only
story, was Trump's reaction to the, er, trumped up charges of Russian interference in our
democracy. Were you or were you not elected thanks to Russian hackers? All they wanted was a
yes or no answer. Which could not possibly be yes. So they could write their reports in
advance.
Anyone who has frequented mainstream journalists, especially those who cover the "big
stories" on international affairs, is aware of their obligatory conformism, with few
exceptions. To get the job, one must have important "sources", meaning government spokesmen who
are willing to tell you what "the story" is, often without being identified. Once they know
what "the story" is, competition sets in: competition as to how to tell it. That leads to an
escalation of rhetoric, variations on the theme: "The President has betrayed our great country
to the Russian enemy. Treason!"
This demented chorus on "Russian hacking" prevented mainstream media from even doing their
job. Not even mentioning, much less analyzing, any of the real issues at the summit. To find
analysis, one must go on line, away from the official fake news to independent reporting. For
example, "the Moon of Alabama" site offers
an intelligent interpretation of the Trump strategy , which sounds infinitely more
plausible than "the story". In short, Trump is trying to woo Russia away from China, in a
reverse version of Kissinger's strategy forty years ago to woo China away from Russia, thus
avoiding a continental alliance against the United States. This may not work because the United
States has proven so untrustworthy that the cautious Russians are highly unlikely to abandon
their alliance with China for shadows. But it makes perfect sense as an explanation of Trump's
policy, unlike the caterwauling we've been hearing from Senators and talking heads on CNN.
Those people seem to have no idea of what diplomacy is about. They cannot conceive of
agreements that would be beneficial to both sides. No, it's got to be a zero sum game, winner
take all. If they win, we lose, and vice versa.
They also have no idea of the harm to both sides if they do not agree. They have no project,
no strategy. Just hate Trump.
He seems totally isolated, and every morning I look at the news to see if he has been
assassinated yet.
It is unimaginable for our Manichean moralists that Putin might also be under fire at home
for failing to chide the American president for U.S. violations of human rights in Guantanamo,
murderous drone strikes against defenseless citizens throughout the Middle East, the
destruction of Libya in violation of the UN mandate, interference in the elections of countless
countries by government-financed "non-governmental organizations" (the National Endowment of
Democracy), worldwide electronic spying, invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the
world's greatest prison population and regular massacres of school children. But the diplomatic
Russians know how to be polite.
Still, if Trump actually makes a "deal", there may be losers – neither the U.S. nor
Russia but third parties. When two great powers reach agreement, it is often at somebody else's
expense. The West Europeans are afraid it will be them, but such fears are groundless. All
Putin wants is normal relations with the West, which is not much to ask.
Rather, candidate number one for paying the price are the Palestinians, or even Iran, in
marginal ways. At the press conference, asked about possible areas of cooperation between the
two nuclear powers, Trump suggested that the two could agree on helping Israel:
"We both spoke with Bibi Netanyahu. They would like to do certain things with respect to
Syria, having to do with the safety of Israel. In that respect, we absolutely would like to
work in order to help Israel. Israel will be working with us. So both countries would work
jointly."
In political terms, Trump knows where political power lies, and is counting on the influence
of the pro-Israel lobby, which recognizes the defeat in Syria and the rising influence of
Russia, to save him from the liberal imperialists – a daring bet, but he does not have
much choice.
On another subject, Trump said that "our militaries" get along with the Russians "better
than our politicians". This is another daring bet, on military realism that could somehow
neutralize military industrial congressional complex lobbying for more and more weapons.
In short, the only chance to end the nuclear war threat may depend on support for Trump from
Israel and the Pentagon!
The hysterical neoliberal globalists seem to have ruled out any other possibility –
and perhaps this one too.
"Constructive dialogue between the United States and Russia forwards the opportunity to open
new pathways toward peace and stability in our world" Trump declared "I would rather take a
political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics."
That is more than his political enemies can claim.
This is a frightening, accurate commentary on what we face as a result of an unaccountable
power structure resorting to any and all means to retain power which, if this structure
continues to exercise it, will lead to our extinction.
In the establishment, it's not dementia as such, it's just serving the highest bidder. You
can accuse only the elites of dementia: they forgot that to enjoy the fruits of your thievery
you have to be alive. If only they die, it would be a great service to the humanity.
Unfortunately, the way things go, they might take us all with them.
Thank you, this is an excellent summary of the situation right now. It's worth noting too
just how disconnected the establishment is from the wider public. They have enormous
financial resources and access to the entire legacy media but seem to have almost no real
base of support. Remember how the Never Trumpers had no one more prominent and well-known
than Evan McMullan (!!) to run as their candidate? Note too the tiny number of views the
YouTube videos of the Aspen Institute get: https://www.youtube.com/user/AspenInstitute/videos
.
On its own, these things aren't conclusive proof but together they add up. The Aspen
Institute crowd is an almost entirely self-contained subculture. They seem to have no base of
support, beyond their stacks of money, job titles and the power that come with the various
offices they hold. That's probably why they can never stop calling their opponents
"populists" or why Bill Kristol keeps tweeting about encountering scrappy shoeshine boys who
shout "give Trump hell, Mr Kristol!" as he goes about his urban peregrinations.
Diana Johnstone is not alone. Others on the alt-Left are starting to wake up, too. This is
Joaquín Flores:
People are seeing through dishonesty, and the old language traps are used up and done
for. If reconquista is the goal, then we need to have an honest conversation about that. If
there's a Latino nation with self determination in the south-west US, or rights 'back' to
the south-west US, then let's speak of it in such terms. Because then we'd be looking at a
Euro-American nation also. Now of course there's issues of interpenetrated peoples, and
identities we carry in our minds in diverse urban centers. But the point here is that we
have to have an honest discourse, and stop hiding reconquista sentiments under the rubric
of 'human rights'. Because European-Americans don't have right of return to Europe, so the
left is promoting what will ultimately be a race war, full scale, if they don't chill the
fuck out and back off this disingenuous approach to policy-wonkism on immigration.
The paradigmatic question today is, how is wealth made, and where does wealth come from?
What is the balance of trade and debts, and how is that is no longer manageable? The US
empire and NATO is no longer manageable. Trump is unwinding NATO. That can't be a bad
thing.
Intelligence community is a new Praetorian guard which since JFK murder can decide the fate of presidents.
Notable quotes:
"... Peter Strzok, the disgraced and disgraceful Federal Bureau of Investigation official, is the very definition of a slimy swamp creature. Strzok twitched, grimaced and ranted his way to infamy during a joint hearing of the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees, on July 12. ..."
"... Strzok is the youthful face of the venerated "Intelligence Community," itself part of the sprawling political machine that makes up the D.C. comitatus ..."
"... Smug, self-satisfied, cheating creature that he is, Strzok can't take responsibility for his own misconduct, and blames Russia for dividing America. In the largely progressive bureau, moreover, Agent Strzok is neither underling nor outlier, for that matter. ..."
"... A "blind bootlicking faith in spooks" is certainly unwarranted and may even be foolish. What of odious individuals like former FBI Director Andrew McCabe, and his predecessor, James Comey, now openly campaigning for the Democrats? Are these leaders outliers in the "Intelligence Community"? ..."
"... Similarly, it's hard to think of a more partisan operator than John O. Brennan -- he ran the CIA under President Obama. True to type, he cast a vote for Communist Party USA, back in 1976, when the current Russia monomania would have been justified. Brennan has dubbed President Trump a traitor for having dared to doubt people like himself. ..."
"... The very embodiment of the Surveillance State at its worst is Michael V. Hayden. Hayden has moved seamlessly from the National Security Agency and the CIA to CNN where he beats up on Trump. The former Bush employee hollered treason: "One of the most disgraceful performances of an American president in front of a Russian leader," Hayden inveighed. Not only had POTUS dared to explore the possibility of a truce with Russia, which is a formidable nuclear power; but the president had the temerity to express a smidgen of skepticism about a community littered with spooks like Mr. Hayden. ..."
"... Pray tell, since when does the Deep State -- FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, DNI, (Director of National Intelligence), on and on -- represent, or stand for, the American People? The president, conversely, actually got the support of at least 60 million Americans. ..."
"... Outside the Beltway, ordinary folks -- Deplorables, if you will -- have to sympathize with the president's initial and honest appraisal of the Intelligence Community's collective intelligence. This is the community that has sent us into quite a few recreational, hobby wars. ..."
Peter Strzok, the disgraced and disgraceful Federal Bureau of Investigation official, is the very definition of a slimy swamp
creature. Strzok twitched, grimaced and ranted his way to infamy during a joint hearing of the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees,
on July 12.
In no way had he failed to discharge his professional unbiased obligation to the public, asserted Strzok. He had merely
expressed the hope that "the American population would not elect somebody demonstrating such horrible, disgusting behavior."
But we did not elect YOU, Mr. Strzok. We elected Mr. Trump.
Strzok is the youthful face of the venerated "Intelligence Community," itself part of the sprawling political machine that
makes up the D.C. comitatus , now writhing like a fire breathing mythical monster against President Donald Trump.
As Ann Coulter observed, the FBI is not the FBI of J. Edgar Hoover. Neither is the Intelligence Community
Philip Haney's IC
any longer. Haney was a heroic, soft-spoken, demure employee at the Department of Homeland Security. Agents like him are often fired
if they don't get with the program. He didn't. Haney's method and the
authentic intelligence he mined and developed might have stopped the likes of the San Bernardino mass murderers and many others.
Instead, his higher-ups in the "Intelligence Community" made Haney and his data disappear.
Post Haney, the FBI failed to adequately screen and stop Syed Farook and blushing bride Tashfeen Malik.
A "blind bootlicking faith in spooks" is certainly unwarranted and may even be foolish. What of odious individuals like former
FBI Director Andrew McCabe, and his predecessor, James Comey, now openly campaigning for the Democrats? Are these leaders outliers
in the "Intelligence Community"?
As Peter Strzok might say to his paramour in a private tweet, "Who ya gonna believe, the Intelligence Community or your
own lying eyes?" The Bureau in particular and the IC cabal, in general, appear to be dominated by the likes of the dull-witted Mr.
Strzok.
Similarly, it's hard to think of a more partisan operator than John O. Brennan -- he ran the CIA under President Obama. True
to type, he cast a vote for Communist Party USA, back in 1976, when the current Russia monomania would have been justified. Brennan
has dubbed President Trump a traitor for having dared to doubt people like himself.
The very embodiment of the Surveillance State at its worst is Michael V. Hayden. Hayden has moved seamlessly from the National
Security Agency and the CIA to CNN where he beats up on Trump. The former Bush employee hollered treason: "One of the most disgraceful
performances of an American president in front of a Russian leader," Hayden inveighed. Not only had POTUS dared to explore the possibility
of a truce with Russia, which is a formidable nuclear power; but the president had the temerity to express a smidgen of skepticism
about a community littered with spooks like Mr. Hayden.
As one wag
noted
, not unreasonably, ours is "a highly-politicized intelligence community, infiltrated over decades by cadres of Deep State operatives
and sleeper agents, whose goal is to bring down this presidency."
Pray tell, since when does the Deep State --
FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, DNI, (Director of National Intelligence), on and on -- represent, or stand for, the American People? The
president, conversely, actually got the support of at least 60 million Americans.
That's a LOT of support. Outside the Beltway, ordinary folks -- Deplorables, if you will -- have to sympathize with the president's
initial and honest appraisal of the Intelligence Community's collective intelligence. This is the community that has sent us into
quite a few recreational, hobby wars.
And this is the community that regularly intercepts but fails to surveys and stop the likes of mass murderers Syed Farook and
bride Tashfeen Malik. Or, Orlando nightclub killer Omar Mateen, whose father the Bureau saw fit to
hire as an informant. The same "community" has invited the Muslim Public Affairs Council and the Arab-American Institute to help
shape FBI counterterrorism training.
The FBI might not be very intelligent at all. About the quality of that intelligence, consider: On August 3, 2016, as the mad
media were amping up their Russia monomania, a frenzied BuzzFeed -- it calls itself a news org -- reported that "the Russian foreign
ministry had wired nearly $30,000 through a Kremlin-backed bank to its embassy in Washington, DC."
Intercepted by American intelligence, the Russian wire
stipulated
that the funds were meant "to finance the election campaign of 2016." Was this not "meddling in our election" or what? Did
we finally have irrefutable evidence of Kremlin culpability? The FBI certainly thought so. "Worse still, this was only one of 60
transfers that were being scrutinized by the FBI,"
wrote
the Economist, in November of 2017. "Similar transfers were made to other countries." As it transpired, the money was wired from
the Kremlin to embassies the world over. Its purpose? Russia was preparing to hold parliamentary elections in 2016 and had sent funds
to Russian embassies "to organize the polling for expatriates."
While it did update its Fake News factoids, Buzzfeed felt no compunction whatsoever to remove the erroneous item or publicly question
their sources in the unimpeachable "Intelligence Community."
Most news media are just not as inquisitive as President Trump.
This is a war propaganda. Plain and simple. Looks like MIC like cancel is destroying this
country like it destroyed the USSR.
Notable quotes:
"... They have completely forgotten the cost of the Civil War. We in Europe have not forgotten the cost of war and are not going there again. Ever. ..."
"... From badmouthing Russia to appointing Russophobes to high office, to imposing sanctions, to illegally seizing Russian diplomatic property, to committing war crimes in Syria, to a provocative military buildup in Europe, to arming the illegitimate Ukrainian "government," etc., presidential poseur Orange Clown has spent 99% of his "presidency" so far antagonizing Russia; apparently trying to provoke some kind of Russian military response. ..."
"... If it was anyone else other than Vladimir Putin calling the shots in Russia, WW3 probably would've happened already. Yet PCR claims Orange Clown wants peace with Russia? ..."
"... Two factions in the Money Party are at war with each other. Neither one is willing to level with the public as to its true aims and motives -- they are fighting viciously but under the bed sheets, which is why the spectacle looks so unhinged and silly. ..."
The reception of the Trump- Putin meeting is breathtaking. I have in my 61 years never
witnessed such a hate and slander in the MSM. I have after this begun to actually dismiss
that Americans are sensible people! They have completely forgotten the cost of the Civil
War. We in Europe have not forgotten the cost of war and are not going there again.
Ever.
The US has become a lunatic asylum with nuclear weapons, never mind Kim Jong Un, look a
squirrel! But the US is a threat to humanity, included it's protegé Israel, the new
Apartheid state.
"Is President Trump A Traitor Because He Wants Peace with Russia?"
Wait; what?
From badmouthing Russia to appointing Russophobes to high office, to imposing
sanctions, to illegally seizing Russian diplomatic property, to committing war crimes in
Syria, to a provocative military buildup in Europe, to arming the illegitimate Ukrainian
"government," etc., presidential poseur Orange Clown has spent 99% of his "presidency" so far
antagonizing Russia; apparently trying to provoke some kind of Russian military
response.
If it was anyone else other than Vladimir Putin calling the shots in Russia, WW3
probably would've happened already. Yet PCR claims Orange Clown wants peace with
Russia?
Note to PCR: It is Vladimir Putin who wants peace, not presidential poseur Orange Clown.
If Orange Clown has had some kind of spiritual epiphany/change of heart, he's going to have
to show good faith by taking some kind of unambiguous action; posturing won't suffice.
There is a lot of truth in what you say, but it does not account for the fight we are
currently witnessing. Two factions in the Money Party are at war with each other. Neither
one is willing to level with the public as to its true aims and motives -- they are fighting
viciously but under the bed sheets, which is why the spectacle looks so unhinged and
silly.
It appears that he is trying to save the US from financial collapse. Hence, he is a traitor
to MIC, particularly to the obscenely greedy Pentagon contractors. The US presidents and
Congress always pandered to MIC first and foremost. He broke (or at least tried to break) the
pattern.
You mean, s/he/it is a self-parody? The US MSM, State Department, Congress, and
Administration all became self-parodies lately. It would have been funny if it weren't so
sad.
"The Brennan, Clappers, Obamas, Clintons, Comeys, Rosenstein and their many
subordinate political Mafiosi "
What is going on in the US is systematic. Assange, an investigative journalist who became
the light of truth worldwide, is under a grave danger from US' and UK' Intelligence
Communities of the non-intelligent opportunists and real traitors: https://www.rt.com/news/433783-wikileaks-assange-ecuador-uk/
Meanwhile, Mrs. Clinton, who was criminally negligent with regard to the most important
classified information, has been protected by the politicking Brennan, Clapper, and Mueller:
" it was over 30,000 emails , emails that were sent through to Hillary Clinton through
the unauthorized server and unsecured server and every email she sent out.
There were highly classified -- beyond classified -- top secret-type stuff that had
gone through that server. an instruction embedded, compartmentalized data embedded in the
email server telling the server to send a copy of every email that came to Hillary Clinton
through that unauthorized server and every email that she sent out through that server, to
send it to this foreign entity that is not Russia."
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/07/congressional-record-transcript-on-chinagate.html
The Awan Affair, the most serious ever violation of national cybersecurity, has
demonstrated the spectacular incompetence of the CIA and FBI, which had allowed a family of
Pakistani nationals to surf congressional computers of various committees, including
Intelligence Committee, for years. None of the scoundrels had a security clearance! Their
ardent protector, Wasserman-Schultz (who threatened the DC Marschall) belongs to the
untouchables, unlike Assange:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/awan-congressional-scandal-in-spotlight-as-president-suggests-data-could-be-part-of-court-case_2500703.html
Looks like MIC is a cancel of the society for which there is no cure....
While this jeremiad raises several valid point the key to understanding the situation should
be understanding of the split of the Us elite into two camp with Democratic party (representing
interests of Wall Street) and large part of intelligence communality fighting to neoliberal
status quo and Pentagon, some part of old money, part of trade unions (especially rank and file
members) and a pert of Republican Party (representing interests of the military) realizing that
neoliberalism came to the natural end and it is time for change which includes downsizing of the
American empire.
This bitter internal struggle in which neoliberals so far have an upper hand over Trump
administration and forced him into retreat.
Notable quotes:
"... Trump is a traitor because he wants peace with Russia. ..."
"... The Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, and the North Koreans, as well as the rest of the world, desperately need to notice the extremely hostile reaction to peace on the part of the US Democratic Party, many members of the Republican Party, including the despicable US Republican Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, and the Western Presstitute Media, a collection of people on the CIA payroll according to the German newspaper editor, Udo Ulfkotte, and the CIA itself. ..."
"... Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and the rest of the corrupt filth that rules over us are all in the pay of the military/security complex. Just go and investigate the donations to their re-election campaigns. The 1,000 billion dollar budget of the military/security complex, amplified by the CIA's front corporations and narcotics business, provides enormous sums with which to purchase the senators and representatives that the insouciant American voters think that they elect. ..."
"... Therefore, the American public gets not representation, but lies that justify war and conflict. The military/security complex, about which President Eisenhower warned the American people to no effect, is in desperate need of an enemy. In obedience to the military/security complex, the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes have made Russia that enemy. If Trump and Putin do not understand this, they will easily be made irrelevant. ..."
"... They both can be assassinated, and that is what the statements from Pelosi, Schumer, McCain, Lindsey Graham, et. al., repeated endlessly in the propaganda ministry that is the Western press, encourages. ..."
"... The Supply-Side Revolution ..."
"... When the combination of tax cuts with defense budget cuts came up for a vote, the legendary senator Strom Thurmond, a 48-year member of the US Senate from South Carolina, tapped me on the shoulder. He said: "son, never set your senator up against the military/security complex. He will not be re-elected, and you will be out of a job." I replied that we were just establishing for the record that under no conditions would the Democrats, who wanted more government, vote for a tax rate reduction even if there was a case that it would cure stagflation. He replied: "son, the military/security complex doesn't care." ..."
"... Later as a member of a secret presidential committee, I saw how the CIA attempted to prevent President Reagan from ending the Cold War. ..."
"... Today, right now, at this moment, we are faced with a massive effort of the military/security complex, the neoconservatives, the Democratic Party, and the presstitute media to discredit the elected President of the United States and to overthrow him in order that the utterly corrupt elite that rule American can continue to hold on to power and to protect the massive budget of the military/security complex that, along with the Israel Lobby, funds the elections of those who rule us. ..."
"... There is no institution in America, government or private, that can be trusted. Any government or person who trusts America or any Western country is stupid beyond belief. ..."
"... The entire Russiagate hoax is an orchestration by the military/security complex, led by John Brennen, Comey, and Rosenstein. The purpose is to discredit President trump for two reasons. One is to prevent any normalization of relations with Russia. The other is to remove Trump's agenda as an alternative to the agenda of the Democratic Party. ..."
"... President Trump is almost powerless. Putin, the Chinese, the Iranians, and the North Koreans should recognize this before it is too late for them. President Trump cannot fire and arrest for high treason Mueller and Rosenstein. ..."
"... Reckless and irresponsible comments about treason from former CIA director Brennan, and other ranking public figures, echo similar inflammatory rhetoric from far-right-wing rabble rouser Gen. Edwin Walker, and other members of the John Birch Society, in the days before Pres. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. ..."
"... What's going on in the United States of America beats the band what happened under Joe McCarthy. The witch hunt against a sitting President by 95 percent of the media, major government institutions such as the criminal CIA, FBI, DOJ and the rest of the crooked Intel community plus the rascals in the US Congress can only happen in a totalitarian society, which the US is. ..."
"... The Brennan, Clappers, Obamas, Clintons, Comeys, Rosenstein and their many subordinate political Mafiosi should be put behind bars instead of running from one TV station to the next and lay the ground for a possibly Trump assassination. ..."
"... As Mr. Rogers correctly states, President Trump is almost powerless. These US fools even try to breed discord between the so-called nationalists and the globalists in Russia for which Medvedev stays. He once served US interests more than Russian ones when he was Prime Minister and got flattered by the ineffable Bill Clinton. ..."
"... So what do we see now ? Putin aiding Trump in steering the USA away from trying to control the whole world, an effort that is destroying the USA, but Deep State does not mind. In this way Russia indeed meddles in USA politics. Trump now invited Putin to come to Washington, the MH17 statement is withheld, the hysteria at CNN is such that MH17 is not even mentioned. In stead: Trump must be mentally deranged. ..."
"... Gore Vidal said there's only one party in America, it's the Money Party and it has two branches. It is even more true today than when he said it. There is no Left or Right anymore, only the question, is it good for Israel? And the American people be damned. ..."
"... Trump is completely powerless to do anything about these two. And this has gone on for a year and a half. ..."
"... It's clear though that Trump believes he has forced his opponents to play a bad hand in their outlandish craze the past week. It's why he doubled down and invited Putin to Washington near the 2018 election time. He perceives this as a chance to re-enact the 2016 election and coast to victory. The establishment is insane, and if he brings their insanity out it plays to his favor. ..."
The US Democratic Party is determined to take the world to thermo-nuclear war rather than to
admit that Hillary Clinton lost the presidential election fair and square. The Democratic Party
was totally corrupted by the Clinton Regime, and now it is totally insane. Leaders of the
Democratic Party, such as Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, my former co-author in the New York
Times, have responded in a non-Democratic way to the first step President Trump has taken to
reduce the extremely dangerous tensions with Russia that the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama
regimes created between the two superpowers.
Yes, Russia is a superpower. Russian weapons are so superior to the junk produced by the
waste-filled US military/security complex that lives high off the hog on the insouciant
American taxpayer that it is questionable if the US is even a second class military power. If
the insane neoconservatives, such as Max Boot, William Kristol, and the rest of the neocon scum
get their way, the US, the UK, and Europe will be a radioactive ruin for thousands of
years.
House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi (CA), Minority Leader of the US House of
Representatives, declared that out of fear of some undefined retribution from Putin, a dossier
on Trump perhaps, the President of the United States sold out the American people to Russia
because he wants to make peace: "It begs the question, what does Vladimir Putin, what do the
Russians have on Donald Trump -- personally, politically and financially that he should behave
in such a manner?" The "such a manner" Pelosi is speaking about is making peace instead of
war.
To be clear, the Democratic Minority Leader of the US House of Representatives has accused
Donald Trump of high treason against the United States. There is no outcry against this
blatantly false accusation, totally devoid of evidence. The presstitute media instead of
protesting this attempt at a coup against the President of the United States, trumpet the
accusation as self-evident truth. Trump is a traitor because he wants peace with
Russia.
Here is Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer (NY) repeating Pelosi's false accusation: "Millions
of Americans will continue to wonder if the only possible explanation for this dangerous
behavior is the possibility that President Putin holds damaging information over President
Trump." If you don't believe that this is orchestrated between Pelosi and Schumer, you are
stupid beyond belief.
Here is disgraced Obama CIA director John Brennan, a leader of the fake Russiagate campaign
against President Trump in order to prevent Trump from making peace with Russia and, thus, by
making the world safer, threatening the massive, unjustified budget of the military/security
complex: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to and exceeds the
threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors. It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were
Trump's comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are
you???"
NOTICE THAT NOT ONE WESTERN MEDIA SOURCE IS CELEBRATING AND THANKING TRUMP AND PUTIN FOR
EASING THE ARTIFICIALLY CREATED TENSIONS THAT WERE LEADING TO NUCLEAR WAR. HOW CAN THIS BE? HOW
CAN IT BE THAT THE WESTERN MEDIA IS SO OPPOSED TO PEACE? WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION?
The Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, and the North Koreans, as well as the rest of
the world, desperately need to notice the extremely hostile reaction to peace on the part of
the US Democratic Party, many members of the Republican Party, including the despicable US
Republican Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, and the Western Presstitute Media, a
collection of people on the CIA payroll according to the German newspaper editor, Udo Ulfkotte,
and the CIA itself.
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and the rest of the corrupt
filth that rules over us are all in the pay of the military/security complex. Just go and
investigate the donations to their re-election campaigns. The 1,000 billion dollar budget of
the military/security complex, amplified by the CIA's front corporations and narcotics
business, provides enormous sums with which to purchase the senators and representatives that
the insouciant American voters think that they elect.
Do you know how large 1,000 billion is? You would have to live for thousands of years and do
nothing for 24/7 except count to reach that figure. It is a sum that nurtures the recipients,
and the recipients regard it as worth protecting.
Therefore, the American public gets not representation, but lies that justify war and
conflict. The military/security complex, about which President Eisenhower warned the American
people to no effect, is in desperate need of an enemy. In obedience to the military/security
complex, the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes have made Russia that enemy. If Trump
and Putin do not understand this, they will easily be made irrelevant.
They both can be assassinated, and that is what the statements from Pelosi, Schumer,
McCain, Lindsey Graham, et. al., repeated endlessly in the propaganda ministry that is the
Western press, encourages. Trump can be assassinated or overthrown in a political coup for
selling out America to Russia, as members of both political parties claim and as the media
trumpets endlessly. Putin can be easily assassinated by the CIA operatives that the Russian
government stupidly permits to operate throughout Russia in NGOs and Western/US owned media and
among the Atlanticist Integrationists, Washington's Firth Column inside Russia serving
Washington's purposes. These Russian traitors serve in Putin's own government!
ORDER IT NOW
Americans are so unaware that they have no idea of the risk that President Trump is taking
by challenging the US military security complex. For example, during the last half of the 1970s
I was a member of the US Senate staff. I was working together with a staffer of the US
Republican Senator from California, S. I. Hayakawa, to advance understanding of a supply-side
economic policy cure to the stagflation that threatened the US budget's ability to meet its
obligations. Republican Senators Hatch, Roth, and Hayakawa were trying to introduce a
supply-side economic policy as a cure for the stagflation that was threatening the US economy
with failure. The Democrats, who later in the Senate led the way to a supply-side policy, were,
at this time, opposed (see Paul Craig Roberts, The Supply-Side Revolution , Harvard
University Press, 1984). The Democrats claimed that the policy would worsen the budget deficit,
the only time in those days Democrats cared about the budget deficit. The Democrats said that
they would support the tax rate reductions if the Republicans would support offsetting cuts in
the budget to support a balanced budget. This was a ploy to put Republicans on the spot for
taking away some groups' handouts in order "to cut tax rates for the rich."
The supply-side policy did not require budget cuts, but in order to demonstrate the
Democrats lack of sincerety, Hayakawa's aid and I had our senators introduce a series of budget
cuts together with tax cuts that, on a static revenue basis (not counting tax revenue feedbacks
from the incentives of the lower tax rates) kept the budget even, and the Democrats voted
against them every time.
When the combination of tax cuts with defense budget cuts came up for a vote, the
legendary senator Strom Thurmond, a 48-year member of the US Senate from South Carolina, tapped
me on the shoulder. He said: "son, never set your senator up against the military/security
complex. He will not be re-elected, and you will be out of a job." I replied that we were just
establishing for the record that under no conditions would the Democrats, who wanted more
government, vote for a tax rate reduction even if there was a case that it would cure
stagflation. He replied: "son, the military/security complex doesn't care."
My emergence from The Matrix began with Thurmond's pat on my shoulder. It grew with my time
at the Wall Street Journal when I learned that some truthful things simply could not be said.
In the Treasury I experienced how those outside interests opposed to a president's policy
marshall their forces and the media that they own to block it. Later as a member of a
secret presidential committee, I saw how the CIA attempted to prevent President Reagan from
ending the Cold War.
Today, right now, at this moment, we are faced with a massive effort of the
military/security complex, the neoconservatives, the Democratic Party, and the presstitute
media to discredit the elected President of the United States and to overthrow him in order
that the utterly corrupt elite that rule American can continue to hold on to power and to
protect the massive budget of the military/security complex that, along with the Israel Lobby,
funds the elections of those who rule us. Trump, like Reagan, was an exception, and it is
the exceptions that accumulate the ire of the corrupt leftwing, bought off with money, and the
ire of the media, concentrated into small tight ownership groups indebted to those who
permitted the illegal concentration of a once independent and diverse American media that once
served, on occasion, as a watchdog over government. The rightwing, wrapped in the flag,
dismisses all truth as "anti-American."
If Putin, Lavrov, the Russian government, the traitorous Russian Fifth Column -- the
Atlanticist Integrationists -- the Chinese, the Iranians, the North Koreans think that any
peace or consideration can come out of America, they are insane. Their delusions are setting
themselves up for destruction. There is no institution in America, government or private,
that can be trusted. Any government or person who trusts America or any Western country is
stupid beyond belief.
The entire Russiagate hoax is an orchestration by the military/security complex, led by
John Brennen, Comey, and Rosenstein. The purpose is to discredit President trump for two
reasons. One is to prevent any normalization of relations with Russia. The other is to remove
Trump's agenda as an alternative to the agenda of the Democratic Party.
President Trump is almost powerless. Putin, the Chinese, the Iranians, and the North
Koreans should recognize this before it is too late for them. President Trump cannot fire and
arrest for high treason Mueller and Rosenstein. And Trump cannot indict Hillary for her
numerous unquestionable crimes in plain view of everyone, or Comey or Brennan, who declares
Trump "to be wholly in the pocket of Putin," for trying to overthrow the elected president of
the United States. Trump cannot have the Secret Service question the likes of Pelosi and
Schumer and McCain and Lindsey Graham for false accusations that encourage assassination of the
President of the United States.
Trump cannot even trust the Secret Service, which accumulated evidence suggests was
complicit in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy.
If Putin and Lavrov, so anxious to be friends of Washington, let their guards down, they are
history.
As I said above, Russiagate is an orchestratration to prevent peace between the US and
Russia. Leading military/security complex experts, including the person who provided the CIA's
daily briefing of the President of the United States for many years, and the person who devised
the spy program for the National Security Agency, have proven conclusively that Russiagate is a
hoax designed for the purpose of preventing President Trump from normalizing relations between
the US and Russia, which has the power to destroy the entirety of the Western World at
will.
If Putin doesn't listen to him, Russia is in the trash can of history.
Keep in mind that no media informs you better than my website. If my website goes down, you
will be left in darkness. No valid information comes from the US government or the Western
presstitutes. If you sit in front of the TV screen watching the Western media, you are
brainwashed beyond all hope. Not even I can rescue you. Nor God himself.
Americans, and indeed the Russians themselves, are incapable of realizing it, but there is a
chance that Trump will be overthrown and a Western assault will be launched against the handful
of countries that insist on sovereignty.
I doubt that few of the Americans who elected Trump will be taken in by the anti-Trump
propagana, but they are not organized and have no armed power. The police, militarized by
George W. Bush and Obama, will be set against them. The rebellions will be local and suppressed
by every violation of the US Constitution by the private powers that rule Washington, as always
has been the case with rebellions in America.
In the West, which the Russians are so anxious to join, all freedoms are dead -- freedom of
assembly, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of inquiry, freedom of privacy,
freedom from arbitrary search, freedom from arbitrary arrest, along with the Constitutional
protections of due process and habeas corpus. Today there are no countries less free than the
United States of America.
Why do the Russian Atlanticist Integrationists want to join an unfree Western world? Are
they that brainwashed by Western Propaganda?
If Putin listens to these deluded fools, Putin will destroy Russia.
There is something wrong with Russian perception of Washington. Apparently the Russian
elite, with the exception of Shoigu and a few others are incapable of comprehending the
neoconservative drive for US world hegemony and the neoconservative determination to destroy
Russia as a constraint on US unilateralism. The Russian government somehow, despite all
evidence to the contrary, believes that Washington's hegemony is negotiable. (Republished from
PaulCraigRoberts.org by permission of author or representative)
is big question even if Trump wants peace at all. Trump has shown his real face on the very
beginning when he said that they are going to talk about "his friend" Xi, making Putin very
uncomfortable and throwing some worms in Russia~China relationship in front of cameras for
all to see
Trump came to the meeting in hope to impress Putin with his cowboy arrogance, He now says
that he'll be Putin's worst enemy ( if he don't bow to him I guess : ). all Trump cares about
is his ego, nothing else too sweat mouthed sleazy person
Reckless and irresponsible comments about treason from former CIA director Brennan, and
other ranking public figures, echo similar inflammatory rhetoric from far-right-wing rabble
rouser Gen. Edwin Walker, and other members of the John Birch Society, in the days before
Pres. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.
What's going on in the United States of America beats the band what happened under Joe
McCarthy. The witch hunt against a sitting President by 95 percent of the media, major
government institutions such as the criminal CIA, FBI, DOJ and the rest of the crooked Intel
community plus the rascals in the US Congress can only happen in a totalitarian society,
which the US is.
The Brennan, Clappers, Obamas, Clintons, Comeys, Rosenstein and their many subordinate
political Mafiosi should be put behind bars instead of running from one TV station to the
next and lay the ground for a possibly Trump assassination. Trump is portrayed by these
crooks as a "traitor." In the US, traitors usefully deserve death. If these political Mafiosi
don't bring down Trump "legally," they will hire a kind of Lee Harvey Oswald who "shot"
JFK.
As Mr. Rogers correctly states, President Trump is almost powerless. These US fools
even try to breed discord between the so-called nationalists and the globalists in Russia for
which Medvedev stays. He once served US interests more than Russian ones when he was Prime
Minister and got flattered by the ineffable Bill Clinton.
Let's wait and see what happens in the upcoming mid-term elections. If the Dems win both
Houses of Congress, Trump is done. The obstructionists will have the upper hand. If they
can't remove him from office "legally," there will be a hitman out there somewhere.
President smugly making peace with the Russian nation that was supposed to be the evil enemy
in a 3rd and final brother war to devastate the white race beyond recovery.
Little upstart in the Democrat party making left wing politics less palatable to the
masses with her heavy handed socialist rhetoric. All while preaching BDS and anti-Israel
sentiment too, representing Frankenstein's CultMarx monster turning on it's creator.
And fewer and fewer people on all sides buying what the American Pravda is selling with
each passing day. The resulting hysteria is both par for the course and downright
delectable.
" Apparently the Russian elite, with the exception of Shoigu and a few others are incapable
of comprehending the neoconservative drive for US world hegemony and the neoconservative
determination to destroy Russia as a constraint on US unilateralism. " My idea is that many
in Russia understand quite well, this is why they demonstrate Russia's military capabilities
frequently. Why does Putin support Assad and Syria ? Not because he likes these countries,
but because he understands that if these countries also get the USA yoke the position of
Russia and China deteriorate.
Putin is careful not to give USA public opinion more 'reason' to fear Russia. Already a
few years ago something fell into the E part of the Mediterranean. It was asserted that
Russia had intercepted a USA missile fired from Spain to Syria. USA and Israel declared that
an excercise had been held. Putin said nothing.
Despite all that NATO does at Russia's borders Putin does not let himself be provoked.
MH17, I suppose Putin knows quite well what happened, Russia has radar and satelites, yet
Putin never gave the Russian view.
So what do we see now ? Putin aiding Trump in steering the USA away from trying to
control the whole world, an effort that is destroying the USA, but Deep State does not mind.
In this way Russia indeed meddles in USA politics. Trump now invited Putin to come to
Washington, the MH17 statement is withheld, the hysteria at CNN is such that MH17 is not even
mentioned. In stead: Trump must be mentally deranged.
Good to see PCR accepting comments again. It's not just the Dumbocruds, it's the Rupuglicunts
too. Follow the money, it's coming from the same sources. Gore Vidal said there's only
one party in America, it's the Money Party and it has two branches. It is even more true
today than when he said it. There is no Left or Right anymore, only the question, is it good
for Israel? And the American people be damned.
Is President Trump A Traitor Because He Wants Peace with Russia? The Democrats say he is
The Democrats -- and their wholly-owned MSM -- will call Trump any name that'll stick. It
means little. Even if Trump got everything he wanted on immigration, that particular
toothpaste is already out of the tube and unless we send back some of the millions of
illegal third-world squatters we've no hope of recovering the United States of America.
If you want to talk treason, you need look no further than the Hart-Celler Act of 1965,
whereby the plan was laid to replace the population of this nation with third-world refuse,
which guaranteed cheap labor for GOP capitalists and endless political support for Democrat
traitors.
As the saying goes "timing is everything." I have to admit I was incredulous that you were
somehow able to link to a functioning version of the Nekrosov film. I've been trying to get
my hands on that documentary for the last few years, but to no avail. I finally managed to
read a comment on another blog that recommended that people who were interested in viewing
the film could do so by reaching out to the producer to request a personalized link, after
which you had to request a password from another individual affiliated with the film.
I managed to do all of that a few weeks ago and was able to watch the video on Vimeo for
the full 2 hours. It was riveting, to say the least. After viewing it again, I thought about
making it available to others. Due to the pressures by Browder and his lawyers, however,
Nekrosov was prevented from making his film available to a wider audience. He got around this
limitation by making it available for private viewing only. And to prevent a private viewer
from uploading it onto the internet he cleverly placed a watermark on each film, indicating
the owner of each copy of the video by displaying a number on the screen. I was surprised to
see the version you linked to indeed has this watermark shown on the screen. Somehow, this
did not deter the individual tied to that number from uploading it and being the one
identified as doing so. That said, I'm glad the film is more widely available as it should be
viewed by as many people as possible so that they can realize what a despicable liar Browder
really is and how the passage of The Magnitsky Act was a travesty of justice which must be
reversed.
"Do you know how large 1,000 billion is? You would have to live for thousands of years and do
nothing for 24/7 except count to reach that figure. It is a sum that nurtures the recipients,
and the recipients regard it as worth protecting."
Tens of thousands of years. At one count per second, 31,687 years and a few months.
"In the West, which the Russians are so anxious to join, all freedoms are dead --
freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of inquiry, freedom
of privacy, freedom from arbitrary search, freedom from arbitrary arrest, along with the
Constitutional protections of due process and habeas corpus."
True. That is the Anglo-Zionist Empire. That is what the WASP Empire delivers, and
it does so to destroy more conservative national and local cultures so their peoples are
tossed into the melting pot and reduced into a goop easy to rule.
Oliver Cromwell taking Jewish money, allying with Jews so he would have the funds to wage
permanent war against the vast, vast majority of non-WASP whites within his reach: that is
the definition of WASP culture; that picture tells you what it always will do.
make something serious about Obama and Hillary destroying whole African country of Libya
killing Colonel Gaddafi on the street, which is greatest war crime in the 21st century so far
or, Bill Clinton bombing Bosnian Serbs '95 opening the door to jihadis to continue behead
people in the middle of the Europe or, Bill Clinton and Nato bombing Serbia '99 to give
"Kosovo" independence killing many civilian and destroying infrastructure on purpose or
Madeline Albright confessing killing half of million Iraqi kids on the camera or, Bush and or
Bushes or those such Bill Browder are just small dirty fish who in comparison is almost not
worth filming I appreciate the effort but get seriously real if you are about to get truth to
people
"The Brennan, Clappers, Obamas, Clintons, Comeys, Rosenstein and their many
subordinate political Mafiosi "
What is going on in the US is systematic. Assange, an investigative journalist who became
the light of truth worldwide, is under a grave danger from US' and UK' Intelligence
Communities of the non-intelligent opportunists and real traitors: https://www.rt.com/news/433783-wikileaks-assange-ecuador-uk/
Meanwhile, Mrs. Clinton, who was criminally negligent with regard to the most important
classified information, has been protected by the politicking Brennan, Clapper, and Mueller:
" it was over 30,000 emails , emails that were sent through to Hillary Clinton through
the unauthorized server and unsecured server and every email she sent out.
There were highly classified -- beyond classified -- top secret-type stuff that had
gone through that server. an instruction embedded, compartmentalized data embedded in the
email server telling the server to send a copy of every email that came to Hillary Clinton
through that unauthorized server and every email that she sent out through that server, to
send it to this foreign entity that is not Russia."
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/07/congressional-record-transcript-on-chinagate.html
The Awan Affair, the most serious ever violation of national cybersecurity, has
demonstrated the spectacular incompetence of the CIA and FBI, which had allowed a family of
Pakistani nationals to surf congressional computers of various committees, including
Intelligence Committee, for years. None of the scoundrels had a security clearance! Their
ardent protector, Wasserman-Schultz (who threatened the DC Marschall) belongs to the
untouchables, unlike Assange:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/awan-congressional-scandal-in-spotlight-as-president-suggests-data-could-be-part-of-court-case_2500703.html
Trump and Putin made a mistake. I do not understand how it could have happened. They should
have issued communiqué that they have agreed to work toward peace and relieve tensions
and suppress conflicts around the world. (I do not have a time for now to write more.)
(sorry)
If Rosenstein & Mueller had done what they did with the publication of the indictments a
few days before the summit -- and were North Koreans -- they'd be in front of a firing squad
within 24 hours. Trump is completely powerless to do anything about these two. And this
has gone on for a year and a half. This is not a strength of democracy.
The US today is like Venezuela was shortly after Maduro was elected (by a narrow margin)
-- after Chavez's death -- and before violence eventually broke out. The losing opposition
refused to accept the result and tensions simmered for a long time.
Or after Morsi was elected in Egypt and before the military coup. The victory was narrow,
the opposition refused the to accept the result and tensions simmered for a long time.
Or maybe like Bush vs Gore. Bush was kinda saved by 9/11 which completely changed the
atmosphere.
Who knows what will happen. It's clear though that Trump believes he has forced his
opponents to play a bad hand in their outlandish craze the past week. It's why he doubled
down and invited Putin to Washington near the 2018 election time. He perceives this as a
chance to re-enact the 2016 election and coast to victory. The establishment is insane, and
if he brings their insanity out it plays to his favor.
The reception of the Trump- Putin meeting is breathtaking. I have in my 61 years never
witnessed such a hate and slander in the MSM. I have after this begun to actually dismiss
that Americans are sensible people! They have completely forgotten the cost of the Civil War.
We in Europe have not forgotten the cost of war and are not going there again. Ever.
The US has become a lunatic asylum with nuclear weapons, never mind Kim Jong Un, look a
squirrel! But the US is a threat to humanity, included it's protegé Israel, the new
Apartheid state.
"Is President Trump A Traitor Because He Wants Peace with Russia?"
Wait; what?
From badmouthing Russia to appointing Russophobes to high office, to imposing sanctions,
to illegally seizing Russian diplomatic property, to committing war crimes in Syria, to a
provocative military buildup in Europe, to arming the illegitimate Ukrainian "government,"
etc., presidential poseur Orange Clown has spent 99% of his "presidency" so far antagonizing
Russia; apparently trying to provoke some kind of Russian military response.
If it was anyone else other than Vladimir Putin calling the shots in Russia, WW3 probably
would've happened already. Yet PCR claims Orange Clown wants peace with Russia?
Note to PCR: It is Vladimir Putin who wants peace, not presidential poseur Orange Clown.
If Orange Clown has had some kind of spiritual epiphany/change of heart, he's going to have
to show good faith by taking some kind of unambiguous action; posturing won't suffice.
There is a lot of truth in what you say, but it does not account for the fight we are
currently witnessing. Two factions in the Money Party are at war with each other. Neither one
is willing to level with the public as to its true aims and motives -- they are fighting
viciously but under the bed sheets, which is why the spectacle looks so unhinged and
silly.
It appears that he is trying to save the US from financial collapse. Hence, he is a traitor
to MIC, particularly to the obscenely greedy Pentagon contractors. The US presidents and
Congress always pandered to MIC first and foremost. He broke (or at least tried to break) the
pattern.
Don't blame all Americans. Forty-eight percent of us voted for Trump; it is very likely
that more than half of the rest voted for Hellary only with great reluctance, owing largely
to the unprecedented campaign of vilification directed at Trump. The point is: a very large
majority of people in this country are nowhere near as insane as the media and elites are --
in fact, we're still nowhere near insane enough for their taste!
... I had the privilege of attending the first by invitation only
screening of a documentary"The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes," produced by
Russian filmmaker Andrei Nekrasov. The documentary had been blocked in Europe through lawsuits
filed by some of the parties linked to the prevailing narrative but the Newseum in
Washington eventually
proved willing to permit rental of a viewing room in spite of threats coming from the same
individuals to sue to stop the showing.
Nekrasov by his own account had intended to do a documentary honoring Magnitsky and his
employers as champions for human rights within an increasing fragile Russian democracy. He had
previously produced documentaries highly critical of Russian actions in Chechnya, Georgia and
Ukraine, and also regarding the assassinations of Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko in
London as well as of journalist Anna Politkovskaya in Moscow. He has been critical of Vladimir
Putin personally and was not regarded as someone who was friendly to the regime, quite the
contrary. Some of his work
has been banned in Russia.
After his documentary was completed using actors to play the various real-life personalities
involved and was being edited Nekrasov returned to some issues that had come up during the
interviews made during the filming. The documentary records how he sought clarification of what
he was reading and hearing but one question inevitably led to another.
The documentary began with the full participation of American born UK citizen William
Browder, who virtually served as narrator for the first section that portrayed the widely
accepted story on Magnitsky. Browder portrays himself as a human rights campaigner dedicated to
promoting the legacy of Sergei Magnitsky, but he is inevitably much more complicated than that.
The grandson of Earl Browder the former General Secretary of the American Communist Party,
William Browder
studied economics at the University of Chicago, and obtained an MBA from Stanford.
From the beginning, Browder concentrated on Eastern Europe, which was beginning to open up
to the west. In 1989 he took a position at highly respected Boston Consulting Group dealing
with reviving failing Polish socialist enterprises. He then worked as an Eastern Europe analyst
for Robert Maxwell, the unsavory British press magnate and Mossad spy, before joining the
Russia team at Wall Street's Salomon Brothers in 1992.
He left Salomon in 1996 and partnered with the controversial Edmond Safra, the
Lebanese-Brazilian-Jewish banker who died in a mysterious fire in 1999, to set up Hermitage
Capital Management Fund. Hermitage is registered in tax havens Guernsey and the Cayman Islands.
It is a hedge fund that was focused on "investing" in Russia, taking advantage initially of the
loans-for-shares scheme under Boris
Yeltsin, and then continuing to profit greatly during the early years of Vladimir Putin's
ascendancy. By 2005 Hermitage was the largest foreign investor in Russia.
Browder had renounced his U.S. citizenship in 1997 and became a British citizen apparently
to avoid American taxes, which are levied on worldwide income. In
his bookRed Notice: A True Story of High Finance, Murder and One Man's Fight for
Justice he depicts himself as an honest and honorable Western businessman attempting to
function in a corrupt Russian business world. That may or may not be true, but the
loans-for-shares scheme that made him his initial fortune has been correctly characterized as
the epitome of corruption, an arrangement whereby foreign investors worked with local oligarchs
to strip the former Soviet economy of its assets paying pennies on each dollar of value. Along
the way, Browder
was reportedly involved in making false representations on official documents and
bribery.
As a consequence of what came to be known as the Magnitsky scandal, Browder was eventually
charged by the Russian authorities for fraud and tax evasion. He was banned from re-entering
Russia in 2005, even before Magnitsky died, and began to withdraw his assets from the country.
Three companies controlled by Hermitage were eventually seized by the authorities, though it is
not clear if any assets remained in Russia. Browder himself was convicted of tax evasion in
absentia in 2013 and sentenced to nine years in prison.
Browder has assiduously, and mostly successfully, made his
case that he and Magnitsky have been the victims of Russian corruption both during and
since that time, though there have been skeptics
regarding many details of his personal narrative. He has been able to sell his tale to leading
American politicians like Senators John McCain, Ben Cardin and ex-Senator Joe Lieberman, always
receptive when criticizing Russia, as well as to a number of European parliamentarians and
media outlets. But there is, inevitably, another side to the story, something quite different,
which Andrei Nekrasov presents to the viewer.
Nekrasov has discovered what he believes to be holes in the narrative that has been
carefully constructed and nurtured by Browder. He provides documents and also an interview with
Magnitsky's mother maintaining that there is no clear evidence that he was beaten or tortured
and that he died instead due to the failure to provide him with medicine while in prison or
treatment shortly after he had a heart attack. A subsequent investigation ordered by then
Russian President Dimitri Medvedev in 2011 confirmed that Magnitsky had not received medical
treatment, contributing to this death, but could not confirm that he had been beaten even
though there was suspicion that that might have been the case.
Nekrasov also claims that much of the case against the Russian authorities is derived from
English language translations of relevant documents provided by Browder himself. The actual
documents sometimes say something quite different. Magnitsky is referred to as an accountant,
not a lawyer, which would make sense as a document of his deposition is apparently part of a
criminal investigation of possible tax fraud, meaning that he was no whistleblower and was
instead a suspected criminal.
Other discrepancies cited by Nekrasov include documents demonstrating that Magnitsky did not
file any complaint about police and other government officials who were subsequently cited by
Browder as participants in the plot, that the documents allegedly stolen from Magnitsky to
enable the plotters to transfer possession of three Hermitage controlled companies were
irrelevant to how the companies eventually were transferred and that someone else employed by
Hermitage other than Magnitsky actually initiated investigation of the fraud.
In conclusion, Nekrasov believes there was indeed a huge fraud related to Russian taxes but
that it was not carried out by corrupt officials. Instead, it was deliberately ordered and
engineered by Browder with Magnitsky, the accountant, personally developing and implementing
the scheme used to carry out the deception.
To be sure, Browder and his international legal team have presented documents in the case
that contradict much of what Nekrasov has presented in his film. But in my experience as an
intelligence officer I have learned that documents are easily forged, altered, or destroyed so
considerable care must be exercised in discovering the provenance and authenticity of the
evidence being provided. It is not clear that that has been the case. It might be that Browder
and Magnitsky have been the victims of a corrupt and venal state, but it just might be the
other way around. In my experience perceived wisdom on any given subject usually turns out to
be incorrect.
Given the adversarial positions staked out, either Browder or Nekrasov is essentially right,
though one should not rule out a combination of greater or lesser malfeasance coming from both
sides. But certainly Browder should be confronted more intensively on the nature of his
business activities while in Russia and not given a free pass because he is saying things about
Russia and Putin that fit neatly into a Washington establishment profile. As soon as folks
named McCain, Cardin and Lieberman jump on a cause it should be time to step back a bit and
reflect on what the consequences of proposed action might be.
One should ask why anyone who has a great deal to gain by having a certain narrative
accepted should be completely and unquestionably trusted, the venerable Cui bono?
standard. And then there is a certain evasiveness on the part of Browder. The film shows him
huffing and puffing to explain himself at times and he has
avoided being served with subpoenas on allegations connected to the Magnitsky fraud that
are making their way through American courts. In one case he can be seen on YouTube running away from a server,
somewhat unusual behavior if he has nothing to hide.
A number of Congressmen and staffers were invited to the showing of the Nekrasov documentary
at the Newseum but it is not clear if any of them actually bothered to attend,
demonstrating once again how America's legislature operates inside a bubble of willful
ignorance of its own making. Nor was the event reported in the local "newspaper of record" the
Washington Post , which has been consistently hostile to Russia on its editorial and
news pages.
A serious effort that a friend of mine described as "hell breaking loose" was also made
to disrupt the question and answer session that followed the viewing of the film, with a
handful of clearly coordinated hecklers interrupting and making it impossible for others to
speak. The organized intruders, who may have gained entry using invitations that were sent to
congressmen, suggested that someone at least considers this game being played out to have very
high stakes.
The point is that neither Nekrasov nor Browder should be taken at their word. Either or both
might be lying and the motivation to make mischief is very high if even a portion of the stolen
$230 million is still floating around and available. And by the same measure, no Congressman or
even the President should trust the established narrative, particularly if they persist in
their hypocritical conceit that global human
Gee, I know G. was a spook of some kind and I always read his articles wherever they turn
up.. but how could he get this wrong unless on purpose: Magnitsky was no lawyer. He was an
accountant and he was a co-conspirator in the frauds being perpetrated that resulted in the
charges. He died alright but there is some shading to the thesis that the fraudsters had him
bumped off because they knew he was a weak link. They bribed somebody in the prison to deny
him medical care. Hey, much like they did to Milosevic knowing they couldn't convict him of
their trumped up charges. Why would G. get wrong such a simple thing to determine? Hmm. I
wonder..
Why would you continue the falsehood of calling Magnitsky a lawyer? He was not a lawyer.
Ever. He is and was an accountant and will remain that until Judgement Day. On the other
other hand, calling him a lawyer is perhaps an even greater insult than calling him an
accountant.
"... Read the first piece in Patrick Cockburn's latest series, 'Catastrophic drought threatens Iraq as major dams in surrounding countries cut off water to its great rivers', here . ..."
"... Part II, 'For this Iraqi tribe massacred by Isis, fear of the group's return is a constant reality', here ..."
"... Part III, 'After series of calamitous defeats, is Isis about to lose its last town?', here . ..."
"... Part III, 'Iraq unrest: Chaos reigns in the country even Saddam Hussein 'found difficult to rule', here. ..."
"The people want an end to the parties," chanted protesters, adapting a famous slogan of the
Arab Spring , as
they stormed the governor's office and the international airport in the Shia holy city of
Najaf.
Part of the wave of demonstrations sweeping across central and southern Iraq, they demanded
jobs, electricity, water and an end to the mass theft of Iraq's oil wealth by the political parties.
Beginning on 8 July, the protests are the biggest and most prolonged in a country where
anti-government action has usually taken the form of armed insurgency.
The demonstrations are taking place in the heartlands of the Shia majority, reflecting their
outrage at living on top of some of the world's largest oilfields, but seeing their families
barely survive in squalor and poverty.
The protests began in Basra, Iraq's third largest city which is at the centre of 70 per cent
of its oil production. A hand-written placard held up by one demonstrator neatly expresses
popular frustration. It read:
"2,500,000 barrels daily
Price of each barrel = $70
2,500,000 x $70 = zero !!
Sorry Pythagoras, we are in Basra"
The protests quickly spread to eight other provinces, including Najaf, Kerbala, Nasariya and
Amara.
In several places, the offices of the Dawa Party, to which the Prime Minister Haider
al-Abadi belongs, were burned or attacked, along with those of parties whom people blame for
looting oil revenues worth hundreds of billions of dollars in the 15 years since the overthrow
of Saddam Hussein.
As the situation deteriorated, Mr Abadi flew to Basra on 13 July, promising to make $3bn
available to improve services and provide more jobs. After he left, his hotel was invaded by
protesters.
The credibility of almost all Iraqi politicians is at a low ebb, the acute feeling of
disillusionment illustrated by the low 44.5 per cent turnout in the parliamentary election on
12 May that produced no outright winner.
The poll was
unexpectedly topped by the Sairoun movement of the populist nationalist cleric, Muqtada
al-Sadr, who has encouraged his followers to start protests against government corruption and
lack of services since 2015.
The Sadrists, who emphasised their socially and economically progressive programme by
allying themselves with the Iraqi Communist Party in the election, are playing a role in the
current protests.
The demonstrations are also backed by the prestigious Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani. At ground
level, political activists and tribal leaders have set up a joint committee called "the
Coordination Board for Peaceful Protests and Demonstrations in Basra", its purpose being to
produce a list of demands, unite the protest movement, and keep their actions non-violent.
"The ends don't justify the means," says the committee in a statement. "Let us, being
oppressed, not lead to the oppression of others."
A list of 17 demands is headed by one asking for a government timetable for supplying water
and electricity, both of which are short at a time of year when the temperature sometime
exceeds 50C, making it one of the hottest places on earth.
Local people claim that the last time that the port city of Basra, once called the Venice of
the Gulf, had an adequate supply of drinking water was in 1982. Iran had been supplying some
extra electricity, but has cut this back because of its own needs and failure of Iraq to pay on
time.
The second demand of the protesters is for jobs with "priority to the competent sons of
Basra", the discharge of foreign labourers and employment for a quarter of people living in the
oilfields.
Lack of jobs is a source of continuing complaint all over Iraq. Much of its oil income
already goes on paying 4.5 million state employees, but between 400,000 and 420,000 young
people enter the workforce every year with little prospects of employment.
Anger towards the entire political class is intense because it is seen as a kleptocratic
group which syphoned off money in return for contracts that existed only on paper and produced
no new power plants, bridges or roads.
Political parties are at the centre of this corruption because they choose ministries,
according to their share of the vote in elections or their sectarian affiliation, which they
then treat as cash cows and sources of patronage and contracts.
Plundering like this and handing out of jobs to unqualified people means that many
government institutions have become incapable of performing any useful function.
Radical reform is difficult because the whole system is saturated by corruption and
incompetence. Technocrats without party backing who are parachuted into ministries become
isolated and ineffective.
One party leader told The Independent that he thought that the best that could be
done "would be to insist that the parties appoint properly qualified people to top jobs."
The defeat of Isis in 2017 with the recapture of Mosul means that Iraqis are no longer
absorbed in keeping their families safe so they have they have more time to consider
"corruption" – a word they use not just to mean bribery but the parasitic nature of the
government system as a whole.
There is a general mood of cynicism and dissatisfaction with the way things are run.
"Bad government, bad roads, bad weather, bad people," exclaimed one Iraqi friend driving on
an ill-maintained road.
Corrupt motives are ascribed to everything that happens: a series of unexplained fires in
Baghdad in June were
being ascribed to government employees stealing from state depots and then concealing their
crime by setting fire to the building and destroying it.
Given that the Iraqi security forces are primarily recruited from the areas in which the
protests are taking place, the government will need to be careful about the degree of
repression it can use safely.
The armed forces have been placed on high alert. Three regiments of the elite
Counter-Terrorism Service, which led the attack on Mosul and is highly regarded and well
disciplined, has been ordered south to cope with protests and away from places where there is
still residual activity by Isis.
The protests are largely spontaneous, but the Sadrists, whose offices have not been attacked
by crowds, want to put pressure on Mr Abadi, Dawa and other parties to form a coalition
government with a reform programme.
Many protesters express anti-Tehran slogans, tearing up pictures of Iranian spiritual
leaders such as Ayatollah Khomeini and the current Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. They blame
Iran for supporting
corrupt parties and governments in Iraq.
Protesters have so far escalated their actions slowly, gathering at the entrances to the
major oil and gas facilities, but not disrupting the 3.6 million barrel a day production. If
this happens, it would affect a significant portion of world crude output.
Iraq's corrupt and dysfunctional governing system may be too set in its profitable ways to
be reformed, but, if the ruling elite wants to survive, it must give ordinary Iraqi a larger
share of the oil revenue cake.
Read the first piece in Patrick Cockburn's latest series, 'Catastrophic drought
threatens Iraq as major dams in surrounding countries cut off water to its great rivers',
here .
Part II, 'For this Iraqi tribe massacred by Isis, fear of the group's return is a
constant reality',
here
Part III, 'After series of calamitous defeats, is Isis about to lose its last town?',
here .
Part III, 'Iraq unrest: Chaos reigns in the country even Saddam Hussein 'found difficult
to rule',
here.
"Oh for the good old days when Saddam was running things."
Electricity production in Iraq overall is superior to what it
was during Saddam's rule. But availability is not 24/365, which is presumably what they're
demanding:
Prewar Baghdad had electricity 16 to 24 hours per day and was favored for distribution.
The remainder of Iraq received 4–8 hours of electricity per day.[6] Post war, Baghdad
no longer has priority and therefore both Baghdad and the country as a whole received on
average 15.5 hours of electricity per day as of February 2010.[7]
If they want some facsimile of Saddam's rule back, they could easily elect the Sunni Arab
parties to power. Which they haven't. Demonstrations were rare during Saddam's reign because
he killed the opposition and consigned those he did not kill to Abu Ghraib, where they were
raped and/or beaten to within an inch of their lives.
Shiites were unhappy with American occupation because they thought the only thing keeping
them from becoming a Shiite version of Saudi Arabia, economically-speaking was an American
plot to steal their oil and sow division in the country. After GI's left, they discovered,
through ISIS's long record of victories, that Sunni Arabs really, really don't like being
ruled by Shiites, and that Iraq's Sunni Arabs really are better at military endeavors than
the Shiites or the Kurds. They are fortunate that Uncle Sam came to their rescue, yet
again.
It's becoming clear that the Iraq's Shiite Arabs and Kurds could never have lifted the
Sunni Arab foot from their necks by their own efforts. The question is whether their history
books will ever reflect this truth.
Probably not so much to short-circuit democratic process that was short-circuited long before
them, but clearly they acted as the guardians of the neoliberal state.
Which confirm the iron law of oligarchy in the most direct way: not only the elite gradually
escapes all the democratic control, they use their power as oranized minority to defend the
status quo, not stopping at the most dirty dirty methods.
Russia-gate is becoming FBI-gate, thanks to the official release of unguarded text messages
between loose-lipped FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok and his garrulous
girlfriend, FBI lawyer Lisa Page. (Ten illustrative texts from their exchange appear at the end
of this article.)
Despite his former job as chief of the FBI's counterintelligence section, Strzok had the
naive notion that texting on FBI phones could not be traced. Strzok must have slept through
"Surity 101." Or perhaps he was busy texting during that class. Girlfriend Page cannot be happy
at being misled by his assurance that using office phones would be a secure way to conduct
their affair(s).
It would have been unfortunate enough for Strzok and Page to have their adolescent-sounding
texts merely exposed, revealing the reckless abandon of star-crossed lovers hiding (they
thought) secrets from cuckolded spouses, office colleagues, and the rest of us. However, for
the never-Trump plotters in the FBI, the official release of just a fraction (375) of almost
10,000 messages does incalculably more damage than that.
We suddenly have documentary proof that key elements of the U.S. intelligence community were
trying to short-circuit the U.S. democratic process. And that puts in a new and dark context
the year-long promotion of Russia-gate. It now appears that it was not the Russians trying to
rig the outcome of the U.S. election, but leading officials of the U.S. intelligence community,
shadowy characters sometimes called the Deep State.
... ... ...
Ironically, the Strzok-Page texts provide something that the Russia-gate investigation has
been sorely lacking: first-hand evidence of both corrupt intent and action. After months of
breathless searching for "evidence" of Russian-Trump collusion designed to put Trump in the
White House, what now exists is actual evidence that senior officials of the Obama
administration colluded to keep Trump out of the White House – proof of what old-time
gumshoes used to call "means, motive and opportunity."
"... And those who are crying "fake news" the most often and the most loudly and using that phrase to discredit anything they do not want to rebut with actual information -- those people are the most suspect. Just like those who cry "conspiracy theory" whenever they see a hypothesis that they do not want to have investigated and want to derail. ..."
"... It would not surprise me at all to learn that both of these phrases were cooked up in some corner of Langley to use to get control of the media. ..."
"... Instead of "dissidents" being labeled schizophrenic and sent to psychiatric wards, as in the USSR, they are labeled as conspiracy theorists and purveyors of "fake news" and the effect is about the same, minus the cost of upkeep in a ward. ..."
"Rather than yell at the top of one's lungs "Fake News" when they read a mainstream or
alternative media story, and immediately discount everything, people ought look CRITICALLY at
the facts, consider any bias, read other sources on the issue, and then draw their own
conclusions."
Absolutely. And those who are crying "fake news" the most often and the most loudly and
using that phrase to discredit anything they do not want to rebut with actual information --
those people are the most suspect. Just like those who cry "conspiracy theory" whenever they
see a hypothesis that they do not want to have investigated and want to derail.
It would not
surprise me at all to learn that both of these phrases were cooked up in some corner of
Langley to use to get control of the media.
Instead of "dissidents" being labeled
schizophrenic and sent to psychiatric wards, as in the USSR, they are labeled as conspiracy
theorists and purveyors of "fake news" and the effect is about the same, minus the cost of
upkeep in a ward.
On just about every issue, in 2016, candidate Trump ran in opposition to Sen. Lindsey
Graham. Donald Trump won the presidency; Lindsey Graham quit the race with a near-zero
popularity, as reflected in the polls.
The People certainly loathe the senator from South Carolina. A poll
conducted subsequently found that Graham was among the least popular senators.
No wonder. Graham is reliably wrong about most things.
But being both misguided and despised have done nothing to diminish Sen. Graham's popularity
with Big Media, left and right. Thus were his pronouncements accorded the customary reverence,
during a July 10 segment, on Fox News' "The Story."
Which is when he told anchor Martha MacCallum that, "Putin is not doing anything good in
Syria."
Then again, Lindsey is being consistent. The revival of "one of the world's oldest Christian
communities," in Syria , is not something the senator we've come to know and loathe
would celebrate.
It's true. "A new Syria is emerging from the rubble of war,"
reports The Economist, a magazine which is every bit as liberal and Russophobic as Graham
and his political soul mate, John McCain, but whose correspondents on the ground -- in Aleppo,
Damascus and Homs -- have a far greater fidelity to the truth than the terrible two.
"In Homs, the Christian quarter is reviving. Churches have been lavishly restored; a large
crucifix hangs over the main street." 'Groom of Heaven,' proclaims a billboard featuring a
photo of a Christian soldier killed in the seven-year conflict. And, in their sermons, Orthodox
patriarchs praise Mr. Assad for saving the Christian communities."
Don't tell the ailing McCain. It'll only make him miserable, but thanks to Putin, Assad "now
controls Syria's spine, from Aleppo in the north to Damascus in the south -- what French
colonists once called la Syrie utile (useful Syria). The rebels are confined to pockets
along the southern and northern borders."
"Homs, like all of the cities recaptured by the government, now belongs mostly to Syria's
victorious minorities: Christians, Shias and Alawites (an esoteric offshoot of Shia Islam
from which Mr. Assad hails). These groups banded together against the rebels, who are nearly
all Sunni, and chased them out of the cities." ("
How a victorious Bashar al-Assad is changing Syria ," The Economist, June 28, 2018.)
A Christian teacher in Homs rejoices, for she no longer must live alongside neighbors "who
overnight called you a kafir (infidel)."
The teacher's venom is directed at John McCain's beloved "rebels." Internet selfies abound
of McCain mixing it up with leading Sunni "rebels," against whom Putin and Bashar al-Assad were
doing battle. Who knows? McCain may even have taken a pic with the infamous "rebel" who
decapitated Syrian Franciscan monk
Father Francois Murad .
Ignoramuses McCain and Graham had both urged the US to send weapons to the "rebels" -- even
as it transpired that the lovelies with whom McCain was cavorting on his sojourns in Syria
liked to feast on the
lungs of their pro-Assad enemies. A devotee of multiculturalism, Lindsey could probably
explain the idiosyncratic cultural symbolism of such savagery.
Infested as it is by globalist ideologues, the permanent establishment of American foreign
policy refuses to consider regional, religious, local, even tribal, dynamics in the Middle
East. In particular, that the "good" guys in Syria -- a relative term -- are not the Islamist
"rebels," with whom the senior Republican senator from Arizona was forever frolicking; but the
secular Alawites.
You likely didn't know that Alawites like al-Assad also "flinch at Shia evangelizing. 'We
don't pray, don't fast [during Ramadan] and drink alcohol,' says one."
Under Putin's protection, the more civilized Alawite minority (read higher IQ), which has
governed Syria since 1966, is in charge again. Duly,
reports the anti-Assad Economist, "Government departments are functioning. electricity and
water supplies are more reliable than in much of the Middle East. Officials predict that next
year's natural-gas production will surpass pre-war levels. The railway from Damascus to Aleppo
might resume operations this summer. The National Museum in Damascus, which locked up its
prized antiquities for protection, is preparing to reopen to the public."
Good thinking. The "rebels" would have blown Syria's prized antiquities to smithereens.
Given that Islamists are not in charge, the specter of men leaving their women and fleeing
Syria has had an upside. Syrian women dominate the workforce. Why, they're even working as
"plumbers, taxi-drivers and bartenders." Had Sen. Graham, his friends the "rebels," and their
Sunni state sponsors won -- Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar -- would this be possible? Turkey is
currently sheltering "Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, a group linked to al-Qaeda, and other Sunni
rebels."
Aligned against the Christian-Shia-Alawite alliance are Israel and America, too. They've
formed a protective perimeter around rebel holdouts.
Before the breakthrough, when Sunni rebels were gaining ground, Syria's "women donned
headscarves," and "non-Muslim businessmen bowed to demands from Sunni employees for prayer
rooms. But as the war swung their way, minorities regained their confidence." "Christian women
in Aleppo [now] show their cleavage, the internet is unrestricted and social-media apps allow
for unfettered communication. Students in cafés openly criticize the regime."
Contra the robotic sloganeering from Lindsey, Nikki Haley and the political establishment,
Russia has been pushing Bashar al-Assad to open up Syria's political process and allow for the
revival of "multiparty politics."
Alas, the once bitten Assad is twice shy. His attempts, a decade ago, to liberalize Syrian
politics resulted in the ascendancy of Sunni fundamentalism, aka Lindsey Grahamnesty's rebels.
(The nickname is for the Republican senator's laissez-faire immigration policies,
stateside.)
As has Russia called "for foreign forces to leave Syria," Iran's included. Iran commands
80,000 Shia militiamen in Syria. "Skirmishes between the [Iranian] militias and Syrian troops
have resulted in scores of deaths. Having defeated Sunni Islamists, army officers say they have
no wish to succumb to Shia ones."
It all boils down to national sovereignty. So as to survive the onslaught of the Sunni
fundamentalist majority, the endangered Alawite minority formed an alliance with the Iranian
Shia, also a minority among the Ummah. Now, civilized and secular Syrians want their country
back. In fact, many Syrian "Sunnis prefer Mr. Assad's secular rule to that of Islamist
rebels."
Those measures and the resulting uncertainty are prompting some European countries to go
their own way on major industry projects, including the development of a next-generation
fighter jet, potentially leaving U.S. firms behind.
"I think it is forcing Europe together in ways that have unanticipated consequences for the
U.S. defense industry," said Byron Callan, an analyst with Capital Alpha Partners.
The aerospace and defense industry is a huge driver of U.S. jobs and economic growth. In
2017 alone, it generated $865 billion, supporting 2.4 million high-paying American jobs. The
industry produced a positive trade balance of $86 billion in 2017, the largest of any U.S.
industry, which reduced the country's trade deficit by 10 percent.
It is also an important component of U.S. foreign policy. Arms sales are key to
strengthening security partnerships and improving military cooperation with allies.
"Partners who procure American weaponry are more capable of fighting alongside us and
ultimately more capable of protecting themselves with fewer American boots on the ground,"
Peter Navarro, the White House director of trade policy, said during an April press
conference.
So it came as no surprise when the Trump administration announced the decision to send a
large delegation to help sell U.S. products at Farnborough, including top officials such as
Navarro. The administration also used the opportunity to roll out the Conventional Arms
Transfer (CAT) Policy, also known as the "Buy America" plan, an initiative to improve U.S. arms
transfer processes and increase the competitiveness of U.S.-made products.
But the U.S. government showing at Farnborough was disappointing from the start of the
weeklong exhibition Monday. Navarro pulled out at the last minute, as did Ellen Lord, the
Pentagon's top weapons buyer; Heidi Grant, the U.S. Air Force's head of international affairs;
and other U.S. government officials. At the show itself, only five U.S. military aircraft
appeared on static display in the Defense Department corral that normally showcases products
built for the armed services by Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and other U.S. defense giants.
"... The documents had been doubted for some linguistic reasons discussed by Gilbert Doctorow who comes to a reasonable conclusion: "Bill Browder['s] intensity and the time he was devoting to anti-Russian sanctions in Europe was in no way comparable to the behaviour of a top level international businessman. It was clear to me that some other game was in play. But at the time, no one could stand up and suggest the man was a fraud, an operative of the intelligence agencies. ..."
"... We do not know whether Browder is, or had been, a spy. This should not surprise us, as he was closely connected to Maxwell, Safra and Berezovsky, the financiers with strong ties in the intelligence community. ..."
"... Perhaps he outlived his usefulness, Mr Browder did. He started the Cold war, now is the time to keep it in its healthy limits and to avoid a nuclear disaster or rapid armaments race. This is the task we may hope will be entertained by the next US President, Mr Donald Trump. ..."
Chapeau, Mr Browder! Hats off for this incredible man. Last month, he succeeded in stopping
a film screening in the European parliament and took off a few articles from American web
sites. This week, he turned the only US screening of a film critical to his version of events
into
a ruckus . No freedom of speech for his enemies! His lawyers prowl around and issue summons
to whoever digs in his sordid affairs. His hacks re-wrote his Wikipedia entry,
expunging even discussions of the topic: despite
hundreds of edits, nothing survived but the official version. Only a few powerful men succeed
purifying their record to such an extent. Still, good fortune (a notoriously flighty lady) is
about to desert Mr Browder.
Who is this extremely influential man? A businessman, a politician, a spy? The American-born
Jewish tycoon William Browder, says The Jewish
Chronicle , considers himself Putin's Number One enemy. For him, Putin is "no friend of the
Jews", "cold-blooded killer" and even "criminal dictator who is not too different from Hitler,
Mussolini or Gadhafi". More to a point, Browder is the man who contributed most to the new cold
war between the West and Russia. The roots were there, still he made them blossom. If the US
and Russia haven't yet exchanged nuclear salvos, do not blame Browder: he tried. For a valid
reason, too: he was hit by cruel Hitler-like Mr Putin into his most susceptible spot, namely
his pocket. Or was there even a better reason?
Browder, a grandson of the US Communist leader, came to Russia at its weakest point after
the Soviet collapse, and grabbed an enormous fortune by opaque financial transactions. Such
fortunes are not amassed by the pure of spirit. He was a ruthless man who did as much as any
oligarch to enrich himself.
Eventually he ran afoul of Mr Putin, who was (and is) very tolerant of oligarchs as long as
they play by the rules. The oligarchs would not be oligarchs if they would found that an easy
condition. Some of them tried to fight back: Khodorkovsky landed in jail, Berezovsky and
Gusinsky went to exile. Browder had a special position: he was the only Jewish oligarch in
Russia who never bothered to acquire the Russian citizenship. He was barred from returning to
Russia, and his companies were audited and found wanting.
As you'd expect, huge tax evasion was discovered. Browder thought that as long as he sucked
up to Putin, he'd get away with bloody murder, let alone tax evasion. He was mistaken. Putin is
nobody's fool. Flatterers do not get a free ride in Putin's Russia. And Browder became too big
for his boots.
It turned out that he did two unforgivable things. Russians were afraid the foreigners would
buy all their assets for a song, using favourable exchange rates and lack of native capital, as
had happened in the Baltic states and other ex-Communist East European countries. In order to
avoid that, shares of Russian blue-chip companies (Gazprom and suchlike) were traded among
Russian citizens only. Foreigners had to pay much more. Browder bought many such shares via
Russian frontmen, and he was close to getting control over Russian oil and gas. Putin suspected
that he had acted in the interests of big foreign oil companies, trying to repeat the feat of
Mr Khodorkovsky.
His second mistake was being too greedy. Russian taxation is very low; but Browder did not
want to pay even this low tax. He hired Mr Magnitsky, an experienced auditor, who used
loopholes in the Russian tax code in order to avoid taxes altogether. Magnitsky established
dummy companies based in tax-free zones of Russia, such as pastoral Kalmykia, small, Buddhist,
and autonomous. Their tax-free status had been granted in order to improve their economy and
reduce unemployment; however, Browder's companies did not contribute to economy and did not
employ people; they were paper dummies swiftly bankrupted by the owner.
Another Magnitsky trick was to form companies fronted by handicapped people who were also
freed from paying tax. In the film, some of these persons, often illiterate and of limited
intelligence, told the filmmaker of signing papers they could not read and of being paid a
little money for the millions passing through their account.
(Mr Browder does not deny these accusations; he says there is nothing criminal in trying to
avoid taxes. You can read about Browder and Magnitsky tricks
here and
here , and learn of the ways they attacked companies using minority shareholders and many
other neat schemes.)
Eventually Magnitsky's schemes were discovered and he was arrested. Ten months later, in
2009, he died in jail. By that time, his patron Mr Browder was abroad, and he began his
campaign against Russia hoping to regain his lost assets. He claimed Mr Magnitsky had been his
lawyer, who discovered misdeeds and the outright thievery of government officials, and was
imprisoned and tortured to death for this discovery.
The US Congress rushed in the Magnitsky Act, the first salvo of the Cold War Two. By this
act, any Russian person could be found responsible for Mr Magnitsky's untimely death and for
misappropriation of Browder's assets. His properties could be seized, bank accounts frozen
– without any legal process or representation. This act upset the Russians, who allegedly
had kept a cool $500 billion in the Western banks, so tit for tat started, and it goes to this
very day.
The actual effect of the Magnitsky Act was minimal: some twenty million dollars frozen and a
few dozen not-very-important people were barred from visiting the US. Its psychological effect
was much greater: the Russian elite realized that they could lose their money and houses
anytime – not in godless Putin's Russia, but in the free West, where they had preferred
to look for refuge. The Magnitsky Act paved the road to the Cyprus confiscation of Russian
deposits, to post-Crimean sanctions and to a full-fledged Cold War.
This was painful for Russia, as the first adolescent disillusionment in its love affair with
the West, and rather healthy, in my view. A spot of cold war (very cold, plenty of ice please)
is good for ordinary people, while its opposite, a Russian-American alliance, is good for the
elites. The worst times for ordinary Russian people were 1988-2001, when Russians were in love
with the US. The oligarchs stole everything there was to steal and sold it to the West for
pennies. They bought villas in Florida while Russia fell apart. That was bad time for
everybody: the US invaded Panama and Afghanistan unopposed, Iraq was sanctioned to death,
Yugoslavia was bombed and broken to pieces.
As the Cold War came back, some normalcy was restored: the Russians stopped the US from
destroying Syria, and Russian officials learned to love Sochi instead of Miami. For this reason
alone, Browder can be counted as a part of the power which eternally wills evil and eternally
works good. The Russian government, however, did not enjoy the cold shower.
The Russians denied any wrongdoing or even political reasons for dealing with Browder. They
say Magnitsky was not a lawyer, just an auditor and a tax code expert. They say that he was
arrested and tried for his tax avoidance schemes, and he died of natural causes while in jail.
Nobody listened to them, until they demanded that Browder testify under oath. He refused. For
two years
lawyers tried to give him a summons , but he was a quick runner. There are funny videos showing Browder
running away from summons.
Some good sense began to seep into American minds. The New Republicwondered : if
Browder was indeed the victim of persecution in Russia and had enlisted the U.S. justice system
to right the balance, why was he so reluctant to offer his sworn testimony in an American
courtroom?
Enter Mr Andrey Nekrasov , a
Russian dissident filmmaker. He made a few films considered to be highly critical of Russian
government. He alleged the FSB blew up houses in Moscow in order to justify the Chechnya war.
He condemned the Russian war against Georgia in 2008, and had been given a medal by Georgian
authorities. He did not doubt the official Western version of Browder-Magnitsky affair, and
decided to make a film about the noble American businessman and the brave Russian lawyer
fighting for human rights. The European organisations and parliamentarians provided the budget
for the film. They also expected the film to denounce Putin and glorify Magnitsky, the
martyr.
However, while making the film, Mr Nekrasov had his Road to Damascus moment. He realised
that the whole narrative was hinging on the unsubstantiated words of Mr Browder. After
painstaking research, he came to some totally different conclusions, and in his version,
Browder was a cheat who run afoul of law, while Magnitsky was his sidekick in those crimes.
Nekrasov discovered an interview Magnitsky gave in his jail. In this interview, the
accountant said he was afraid Browder would kill him to prevent him from denouncing Browder,
and would make him his scapegoat. It turned out Browder tried to bribe the journalist who made
the interview to have these words expunged. Browder was the main beneficiary of the
accountant's death, realised Nekrasov, while his investigators were satisfied with Magnitsky's
collaboration with them.
Nekrasov could not find any evidence that Magnitsky tried to investigate the misdeeds of
government officials. He was too busy covering his own tax evasion. And instead of fitting his
preconceived notions, Nekrasov made the film about what he learned. (
Here are some details of Nekrasov's film)
While the screening in the EU Parliament was been stopped by the powerful Mr Browder, in
Washington DC the men are made of sterner stuff. Despite Browder's threats the film was
screened , presented by the best contemporary American investigative journalist Seymour
Hersh, who is 80 if a day, and still going strong. One has to recognise that the US is second
to none for freedom of speech on the globe.
What makes Browder so powerful? He invests in politicians. This is probably a uniquely
Jewish quality: Jews outspend everybody in contributions to political figures. The Arabs will
spend more on horses and jets, the Russians prefer real estate, the Jews like politicians. The
Russian NTV channel reported that Browder lavishly financed the US lawmakers. Here they present alleged evidence of
money transfers: some hundred thousand dollars was given by Browder's structures officially to
the senators and congressmen in order to promote the Magnitsky Act.
Much bigger sums were transferred via good services of Brothers Ziff, mega-rich Jewish
American businessmen, said the researchers in two articles published on the
Veteran News Network and in The
Huffington Post .
These two articles were taken off the sites very fast under pressure of Browder's lawyers,
but they are available in the cache. They disclose the chief beneficiary of Browder's
generosity. This is Senator Ben Cardin, a Democrat from Maryland. He was the engine behind
Magnitsky Act legislation to such an extent that the Act has been often called the Cardin List . Cardin is a
fervent supporter of Hillary Clinton, also a cold warrior of good standing. More to a point,
Cardin is a prominent member of Israel Lobby.
Browder affair is a heady upper-class Jewish cocktail of money, spies, politicians and
international crime. Almost all involved figures appear to be Jewish, not only Browder,
Brothers Ziff and Ben Cardin. Even his enemy, the beneficiary of the scam that (according to
Browder) took over his Russian assets is another Jewish businessman
Dennis Katsiv (he had been partly exonerated by a New York court as is well described in
this thoughtful
piece).
Browder began his way to riches under the patronage of a very rich and very crooked Robert
Maxwell, a Czech-born Jewish businessman who assumed a Scots name. Maxwell stole a few million
dollars from his company pension fund before dying in mysterious circumstances on board of his
yacht in the Atlantic. It was claimed by a member of Israeli Military Intelligence, Ari Ben
Menashe, that Maxwell had been a Mossad agent for years, and he also said Maxwell tipped the
Israelis about Israeli whistle-blower Mordecai Vanunu. Vanunu was kidnapped and spent many
years in Israeli jails.
Geoffrey Goodman wrote
Maxwell "was almost certainly being used as – and using himself as – a two-way
intelligence conduit [between East and West]. This arrangement included passing intelligence to
the Israeli secret forces with whom he became increasingly involved towards the end of his
life."
After Maxwell, Browder switched allegiance to Edmond Safra, a very rich Jewish banker of
Lebanese origin, who also played East vs West. Safra provided him with working capital for his
investment fund. Safra's bank has been the unlikely place where the IMF loan of four billion
dollars to Russia had been transferred -- and disappeared. The Russian authorities say that
Browder has been involved in this "crime of the century," next to Safra. The banker's name has
been connected to Mossad: increasingly fearful for his life, Safra surrounded himself by
Mossad-trained gunmen. This did not help him: he died a horrible death in his bathroom when his
villa was torched by one of the guards.
The third Jewish oligarch on Browder's way was Boris Berezovsky, the king-maker of Yeltsin's
Russia. He also died in his bathroom (which seems to be a constant feature); apparently he
committed suicide. Berezovsky had been a politically active man; he supported every anti-Putin
force in Russia. However, a few months before his death, he asked for permission to return to
Russia, and some negotiations went on between him and Russian authorities.
His chief of security Sergey Sokolov came to Russia and purportedly brought with him some
documents his late master prepared for his return. These documents allege that Browder had been
an agent of Western intelligence services, of the CIA to begin with, and of MI6 in following
years. He was given a code name Solomon, as he worked for Salomon Brothers. His financial
activity was just a cover for his true intentions, that is to collect political and economic
data on Russia, and to carry out economic war on Russia. This revelation has been made in the
Russia-1 TV channel documentary Browder Effect ,
(broadcasted 13.04.2016), asserting that Browder was not after money at all, and his activities
in Russia, beside being very profitable, had a political angle.
The documents had been doubted for some linguistic reasons discussed by Gilbert Doctorow
who comes to a reasonable conclusion: "Bill Browder['s] intensity and the time he was devoting
to anti-Russian sanctions in Europe was in no way comparable to the behaviour of a top level
international businessman. It was clear to me that some other game was in play. But at the
time, no one could stand up and suggest the man was a fraud, an operative of the intelligence
agencies. Whatever the final verdict may be on the documents presented by the film "The
Browder Effect," it raises questions about Browder that should have been asked years ago in
mainstream Western media if journalists were paying attention. Yevgeny Popov deserves credit
for highlighting those questions, even if his documents demand further investigation before we
come to definitive answers".
We do not know whether Browder is, or had been, a spy. This should not surprise us, as
he was closely connected to Maxwell, Safra and Berezovsky, the financiers with strong ties in
the intelligence community.
Perhaps he outlived his usefulness, Mr Browder did. He started the Cold war, now is the
time to keep it in its healthy limits and to avoid a nuclear disaster or rapid armaments race.
This is the task we may hope will be entertained by the next US President, Mr Donald
Trump.
" Browder was not after money at all " Uh, no. Browder was notorious for his greed and
obsession with money. This is someone who had a program that calculated his personal net
worth online and would check it no less than every half hour.
Think Gordon Gekko but too
cheap to even buy a decent suit. While there may have been some intelligence connections
somewhere along the way, as the article states, he went political only when his honey pot was
removed. Without Russia, his fund management business quickly tanked.
This is priceless: "We do not know whether Browder is, or had been, a spy. This should not
surprise us, as he was closely connected to Maxwell, Safra and Berezovsky, the financiers
with strong ties in the intelligence community."
"Israel's Agent of Influence: Senator Ben Cardin shows how it's done:"
"So who does Cardin actually represent? I would suggest that he fits the mold of the
classic agent of influence in that his allegiance to the United States is constrained by his
greater loyalty to a foreign nation."
In Russia, everybody criticises Putin. No danger at all. Andrey Nekrasov was a foremost
critic of Putin, made him no harm. Russia has as much freedom of speech as Europe; still less
than the US.
Incredible–well, not really–that our mainstream media resolutely refuses to
print, much less discuss, the two main pieces of information here:
1. Browder was the one who gained most from Magnitsky's death as evidenced by the
interview in which the latter asserted a fear of being killed by Browder.
2. Nekrasov, the film's director, has a history of making films very critical of Putin and
the Russian government and state.
US media coverage either omits any mention of these two points or buries allusions to them
in the article. The NYT piece on Browder's attempt to block the film's screening at the
Newseum in Washington was filed in the "Europe" section of the paper.
Freedom of speech is under assault in the West and, again and again, we see the common
denominator of these despicable efforts to suppress key information.
How funny to hear people question Browder's Jewishness, in the Unz comments section of all
places. Lest there be any doubt, he, himself, very much identified as being a Jew, to the
extent that he had a Mezuzah on his office doorway and hired only Jewish employees.
Concerning Magnitsky's indeed unusual posthumous trial, this was actually at the behest of
his own mother who refused to sign the legal papers closing the criminal case due to his
death. This is usually a mere formality. However, the Russian legal system is a stickler for
the letter of the law and so the trial went ahead. His mother's motivation was unclear,
though it probably had something to do with extra publicity.
When I first became aware of Mr. Browder a number of years ago, I was curious about his name,
since I was aware of Earl Browder, the former head of the American Communist Party when I was
growing up. After I subsequently learned of the familial connection, I was highly amused to
discover the leap from Communist to capitalist in three generations. But then I recalled that
Dr. Armand Hammer, eventually the controlling shareholder of Occidental Petroleum, had a
father who was also a doctor, an emigrant from Odessa, and a founder of the Communist Party
U.S.A. That was a mere two generations to make the leap from Communist to capitalist.
A few years ago I happened to read an amusing memoir of the girl who was my date to my
high school prom but who went on to achieve a modest fame and acquaintance with many
prominent Americans and foreigners. (I am being intentionally vague.) When I was dating her
in high school and college, I operated under the false assumption that her mother (whom I
met) was Jewish and her natural father (whom I never met); I met her stepfather, who was
Jewish) was Catholic, which I thought was kind of cool, since I was totally nonreligious. You
can imagine my disappointment to learn nearly a half century later that both of her natural
parents were Jewish. Elsewhere in her memoir, my friend referred to her mother's sister, who
was a member of the Communist Party and got caught up in the Hollywood blacklist and lost her
job. (That was the first I heard of it, btw.) Things turned out well for her since she hooked
up with and married a wealthy Jewish doctor, who left her a sizable fortune when he died. She
eventually moved to Israel where she found nirvana, marrying a much younger man and enjoying
late in life "fantastic sex." So, it appears that what motivates many young Communists is the
dream of becoming fantastically wealthy and enjoying life as a plutocrat, not the BS of
improving life for the downtrodden. If I weren't such a natural skeptic, I would have been
very disillusioned, but not as much as I was to discover late in life that her father was
Jewish and not Catholic. Apologies to all those women I dated in my 20′s and 30′s
whom I regaled with the story of my half-Jewish, half-Catholic prom date.
It became tedious to evoke the murky relations of Bolshevism with the Jewish bank cartel
in the financing of Lenin, Trotsky &Co by Jacob Schiff ("a banker who grew up in House of
Rothschild Frankfurt, monopolized American rail system, funded the Rockefellers through First
City Bank, ADL and the NAACP. Schiff's granddaughter married Al Gore's Son" From his base on
Wall Street, he was the foremost Jewish leader from 1880 to 1920 in what later became known
as the "Schiff era", grappling with all major Jewish issues and problems of the day,
including the plight of Russian Jews under the Tsar, American and international
anti-semitism, care of needy Jewish immigrants, and the rise of Zionism" – per
Wikipedia), and Warburg ("Paul Warburg was a planner for the U.S. Federal Reserve System
which is a collection of private banks, and attended as American representative, the Treaty
of Versailles conference, where his brother Max was on the German side of the bargaining
table" by Wiki). One can see why Lenin was 'permitted' to pass through Germany!
Schiff financed the Japanese for their attack on Russia ("He extended loans to the Empire
of Japan in the amount of $200 million, through Kuhn, Loeb & Co Schiff saw this loan as a
means of answering, on behalf of the Jewish people, the anti-Semitic actions of the Russian
Empire, specifically the then-recent Kishinev pogrom"), the 1905 Revolution and the 1917
Revolution. "In addition to his famous loan to Japan, Schiff financed loans to many other
nations, including those that would come to comprise the Central Powers Schiff made sure none
of the funds from his loans ever went to the Russian Empire, which he felt oppressed Jewish
people. When the Russian Empire fell in 1917, Schiff believed that the oppression of Jews
would end. He formally repealed the impediments within his firm against lending to Russia".
It's true that Communist Russia quickly opened the door for foreign investment (NEP) and the
looting of Russia.
When Stalin tried to reduce USSR's dependence on foreign investments, he became instantly the
monster. It is remarkable that America stood behind Trotsky in the case of the so-called
"Show Trials" (The Dewey Commission).
Particularly interesting is that (per Wikipedia);
"Some ten years later, the Dewey Commission was cited in great detail, when in an open letter
to the British press dated 25 February 1946, written by George Orwell and signed by Arthur
Koestler, C. E. M. Joad, Frank Horrabin, George Padmore, Julian Symons, H. G. Wells, F. A.
Ridley, C. A. Smith and John Baird, among others, it was suggested that the Nuremberg Trials
then underway were an invaluable opportunity for establishing "historical truth and bearing
upon the political integrity" of figures of international standing. Specifically, they called
for Rudolf Hess to be interrogated about his alleged meeting with Trotsky and that the
Gestapo records then in the hands of Allied experts be examined for any proof of any "liaison
between the Nazi Party or State and Trotsky or the other old Bolshevik leaders indicted at
the Moscow trials "
BTW I wonder how many people, including posters here, are aware that the U.S., under
President Wilson, sent a military expedition to Russia after the Communist takeover there in
1917 and kept them there for about a year and a half.
When I was in college in the early 60′s, I bought a paperback of George Kennan's
"Russia and the West, Under Lenin and Stalin" (hardcover ed. 1961), the first book of Kennan
that I read, and was startled to learn of our military invasion of Russia at the end of WWI
and after, something I didn't remember being taught in high school American history a few
years earlier. That was about 50 years ago. This past year I got around to reading A. Scott
Berg's much acclaimed biography, "Wilson." I didn't remember reading anything in that
biography re Wilson's commitment of military forces to Russia. I have just reviewed the index
and found one obscure reference to "military intervention in Russia" (p. 590 of hardcover
ed.) and George Kennan.
More important, I reviewed the Bibliography and found no reference to
George Kennan's "Russia and the West, Under Lenin and Stalin." I don't know what to make of
the gross omission by a highly-regarded biographer, but it is clear that an effort has been
made to downplay this aspect of Wilson's policy, for reasons that escape me.
Maybe because I was educated in a different country I was very well aware of this item of
information. It was not only the US, then most of the Western countries from both sides of
WW1, including Britain, France, Italy, then also Czechoslovakia (Austria-Hungary), Japan,
Germany and so on, which sent troops to Russia on the side of Belaya Gvardiya fighting the
Lenin's Bolsheviks, even whilst WW1 was still ongoing.
They fought with Belaya Gvardiya in
Siberia, Ukraine and Crimea (part of Russia, not part of Ukraine until 1953 when given to
Ukraine by the Communist leader Nikita Khrushchev).
Fascinating, thank you. Reading more, I find that Wilson was motivated to safeguard almost
a billion dollars in armaments and equipment [including railway cars] given to Russia by the
U.S in the hopes of Russia prevailing over the Central Powers and thereafter adopting the
capitalist model.
Alas the men and hardware [including frozen machine guns] did not hit the
right wavelength with the Siberian winter.
Many of us are aware of the 'Allied Intervention in the Russian civil war' which occured in
the aftermath of the Peace of Brest-Litovsk while the Entante was still at war with Germany.
The chaos which ensued as a result of the misguided policies of the HLH (Hindenburg,
Ludendorff, Hoffman), especially the 'Napoleonic complex' of Ludendorff compounded by the
greedy desires of many petty German 'Fuersten' for crowns in the East, determined the Allies
to intervene, motivated by the following considerations:
- prevent the German or Bolshevik capture of Allied material stockpiles in Arkhangelsk
- mount an attack helping the Czechoslovak Legions stranded on the Trans-Siberian
Railroad
– resurrect the Eastern Front by defeating the Bolshevik army with help from the
Czechoslovak Legions and an expanded anti-Bolshevik force of local citizens and stop the
spread of communism and the Bolshevik cause in Russia.
Now, this is news only for graduates of American schools where history is no more taught.
The Wikipedia entry ('Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War') would have been
sufficient (for beginners) to set the record straight:
"Severely short of troops to spare, the British and French requested that President Wilson
provide American soldiers for the campaign. In July 1918, against the advice of the United
States Department of War, Wilson agreed to the limited participation of 5,000 United States
Army troops in the campaign. This force, which became known as the "American North Russia
Expeditionary Force" (a.k.a. the Polar Bear Expedition) were sent to Arkhangelsk while
another 8,000 soldiers, organised as the American Expeditionary Force Siberia, were shipped
to Vladivostok from the Philippines and from Camp Fremont in California. That same month, the
Canadian government agreed to the British government's request to command and provide most of
the soldiers for a combined British Empire force, which also included Australian and Indian
troops. Some of this force was the Canadian Siberian Expeditionary Force; another part was
the North Russia Intervention. A Royal Navy squadron was sent to the Baltic under
Rear-Admiral Edwyn Alexander-Sinclair. This force consisted of modern C-class cruisers and V-
and W-class destroyers. In December 1918, Sinclair sailed into Estonian and Latvian ports,
sending in troops and supplies, and promising to attack the Bolsheviks "as far as my guns can
reach". In January 1919, he was succeeded in command by Rear-Admiral Walter Cowan.
The Japanese, concerned about their northern border, sent the largest military force,
numbering about 70,000. They desired the establishment of a buffer state in Siberia, and the
Imperial Japanese Army General Staff viewed the situation in Russia as an opportunity for
settling Japan's "northern problem". The Japanese government was also intensely hostile to
communism.
The Italians created the special "Corpo di Spedizione" with Alpini troops sent from Italy and
ex-POWs of Italian ethnicity from the former Austro-Hungarian army who were recruited to the
Italian Legione Redenta. They were initially based in the Italian Concession in Tientsin and
numbered about 2,500.
Romania, Greece, Poland, China, and Serbia also sent contingents in support of the
intervention."
All these troops have been involved, in a way or another, in the Russian Civil War, but by
1920 all have been withdrawn. Only the Japanese stayed in the Maritime Provinces of the
Russian Far East until 1922 and in northern Sakhalin until 1925.
There is obviously no space here to talk about the 'Treaty of Rapallo' between Russia and
Germany of 1922 and of the 'Genoa Conference' held in Genoa in 1922, where "the
representatives of 34 countries gathered to discuss global economic problems following World
War I. The purpose was to formulate strategies to rebuild central and eastern Europe,
particularly Russia, after the war, and also to negotiate a relationship between European
capitalist economies, and the new Russian Bolshevik regime". These were signals for the
introduction of NEP (New Economic Policy) and the policy of 'concessions' which was, in
Lenin's terms " a strategic retreat from socialism".
Anyhow, I think that a BA is a minimum requirement in order to gain a modicum of
understanding of these problems. For sure Wikipedia is not sufficient.
There is no question the involvement of U.S. troops in Russia following the Bolshevik
Revolution of 1917 is downplayed in the U.S. As I noted, the issue wasn't touched on in my
high school history class, and I was surprised to learn of our military involvement in
Russia's civil war only when I went to college and bought the small paperback of Kennan's
"Russia and the West Under Lenin and Stalin." In fact, I have a one-volume history of the
U.S. written by one of the U.S.'s leading historians, Samuel Eliot Morison, who was the
highly acclaimed biographer of Christopher Columbus and John Paul Jones and a long-time
professor of history at Harvard. He was also the author of the highly acclaimed "History of
the United States Naval Operations in World War II," a 15-volume effort. In his "The Oxford
History of the American People" (1965, 1122 pages, ending with the 1963 assassination of
JFK), he states briefly at p. 878 that "President Wilson went along [with efforts of France
and Britain to overthrow the Bolsheviks] to the extent of sending a small American force to
Archangel, ostensibly to prevent a cache of military supplies reaching Germany, and
participating in a Japanese-directed invasion of Siberia, to see that Japan did not go too
far." Rather cryptic reference to a somewhat small military involvement that lasted for more
than a year and a half, but, in defense of Morison, his history was a one-volume affair
(published by the Oxford University Press) and the American involvement in Russia had no
effect on the Russian Revolution, other than to sour the relationship between the new
Communist government and the U.S., which did not diplomatically recognize the new regime
until FDR became President in 1933.
A. Scott Berg has no such defense. His detailed biography of Wilson runs to 743 pages, and
he makes no reference at all to the U.S. military contingent that was sent to Russia in 1918
by Wilson and remained there for more than a year and a half. You would think that Berg could
have added a few brief sentences alluding to the military expeditionary force and a brief
summary of its impact, but not a word. This from an author who discusses the infamous "Palmer
raids" at the end of the Wilson Administration and the bombs which set off those raids. I am
just puzzled about the omission and fail to see what agenda is being served, other than it
highlights the utter hypocrisy of Wilson with his vaunted "Fourteen Points," which impliedly
called for respect of international borders. Wilson was also the hypocrite who won reelection
in a close race in 1916 running on a campaign that "he kept us out of war" and the declared
war against Germany a month after he was reinaugurated in March 1917.
BTW I wonder how many people, including posters here, are aware that the U.S., under
President Wilson, sent a military expedition to Russia after the Communist takeover there
in 1917 and kept them there for about a year and a half.
Actually this 'invasion' was to help stabilize Russia during the revolution and to block
Japan in the far east. Russia and the US had been good friends and allies since we helped
Russia during the Crimean War, and with the purchase of Alaska and they had helped us during
the US Civil War.
Harry Truman put an end to all that 'good neighbor policy" when he needed a scapegoat to
launch the National Security State and prevent another depression. On it goes.
Seems like the entire Browder/Magnitsky hustle is nothing more than Jews protecting Jews in a
kind of international crime syndicate. When found out, they even have the network in place to
control the narrative about their crimes to the point that trying to hold them accountable
quickly morphs into a fundamental violation of their human rights.
"What do you mean you can't rip off a country's assets and hide the loot in offshore
accounts? What do you do when you see a $10 bill laying in the street? You take it, of
course! What else is a person suppose to do? When opportunity strikes, you make the best of
it."
Browder and Magnitshy . How history repeats itself! I recall reading that something
similar happened in the Weimar Republic when Germany was stripped of its assets after WWI.
Indeed, even then there was an ((( international syndicate ))) in place to control the
narrative and protect the shysters.
"""Meaning, Putin gets a healthy cut. If he doesn't get a piece of the action, you will
suddenly be found to have evaded taxes, or worse. And, heaven forfend, if you decided to use
your wealth to oppose Putin politically, just as Khodorkovsky."""
What evidence do you have for this libellous allegation?? These assertions are made
habitually in the western media. However this article on Browder demonstrates who are the
parties making such claims and why.
We're talking about his grandson, an international businessman active in Russia at one
time. The WASP grandfather who eventually became CPUSA chief married a Jewish woman and their
mathematician son was the international businessman grandson's father.
Try to get your facts straight before you call everybody and his brother a Nazi.
Being English speaking and brought up in the Anglo-world but with good understanding of
Russia through Communism, made this Jewish Godfather much more damaging to Russia than the
other forced Jewish emigres: Berezovsky, Gusinsky and Khodorovsky.
Browder's ties with Mossad and CIA make him a prototypical Deep-Stater, spreading
Anglo-Zionist dominance of the World (Globalism) and getting personally rich in the process.
If the Anglo-Zionists manage to bring down Russia (say, kill Putin) then Browder could become
the Paul Bremer III of Russia (perhaps titled William Browder I).
There a book, a merciless, factual excoriation of the Browder Hoax: The Killing of William
Browder: Deconstructing Bill Browder's Dangerous Deception by Alex Krainer
Earl Browder, born into a Kansas Methodist farm family became the head of the Communist
party in the U.S. in the 30′s, probably for idealistic reasons. As a Communist, he
became an atheist. He went to Russia and married a Russian Jewish woman. Their son, Felix,
raised as a Jew by his mother, became a mathematician. Felix Browder married a Jewish woman
and their son is the William Browder, subject of this article. William Browder is thus 3/4
Jewish. His one grandfather, from whom he got his name, was born a Christian gentile, but
chucked it up to become a Communist leader. Through marriage to Jewish women, his grandson,
William, is a ruthless capitalist Jewish oligarch who contributed to scavenging the decaying
body of the former Soviet Union.
intensity and the time he was devoting to anti-Russian sanctions in Europe was in no way
comparable to the behaviour of a top level international businessman.
The writer does not know much about the business world, does he? Browder is still looking
to get paid off, and businessmen can be motivated by vengeance (Warren Buffet included).
Anyway, Mr. Browder seems far too focused on his wallet and effective an operator on that
account to have been directed by MI6.
There is this myth that secret intelligence agents are more competent than lesser mortals
(such as policemen). I like reading memoirs and novels about spys as much as anyone, but
rich, tax dodging/philanthropic and litigious people like Browder are the real 007s of this
world. I dare say there are a few holes in his story.
I can only tell Mr. Shamir that if he had stolen as much money as Browder, he'd be
untouchable, too. Look at any dollar bill. It says "IN GOD WE TRUST". This is THE God
Americans trust in. All the other gods are subject to freedom of religion.
Exactly right. Looting Russia– and later working to destroy it for objecting -- is
their YHWH-given right. The Jewish criminality and evil Browder embodies is of so great a
magnitude that it's difficult for a decent person to process such a creature.
Funny, I heard (((Big Media's))) glowing take on Browder the other day and figured he must be
a piece of shit. I don't base conclusions on such hunches, of course, so I guess I'll have to
read the article and check around.
But it's funny how race-realism, countersemitism, and hatred of (((Big Media))) have such
predictive power.
"... $2.00 a Day: Living on Almost Nothing in America ..."
"... Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America ..."
"... , is the Anne and Bernard Spitzer Professor of International Relations at the Powell School, City College of New York, and Senior Research Fellow at Columbia University's Saltzman Institute of War and Peace Studies. He is the author, most recently, of ..."
So effectively has the Beltway establishment captured the concept of national security that,
for most of us, it automatically conjures up images of terrorist groups, cyber warriors, or
"rogue states." To ward off such foes, the United States maintains a historically unprecedented
constellation
of military bases abroad and, since 9/11, has waged wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya,
and elsewhere that have gobbled up nearly
$4.8 trillion . The 2018 Pentagon budget already totals $647 billion -- four times what China, second
in global military spending, shells out and more than the next 12 countries combined,
seven of them American allies. For good measure, Donald Trump has added an additional
$200 billion to projected defense expenditures through 2019.
Yet to hear the hawks tell it, the United States has never been less secure. So much for
bang for the buck.
For millions of Americans, however, the greatest threat to their day-to-day security isn't
terrorism or North Korea, Iran, Russia, or China. It's internal -- and economic. That's
particularly true for the 12.7% of Americans
(43.1 million of them) classified as poor by the government's criteria : an income below $12,140
for a one-person household, $16,460 for a family of two, and so on until you get to the
princely sum of $42,380 for a family of eight.
Savings aren't much help either: a third of Americans have no
savings at all and another third have less than $1,000 in the bank. Little wonder that
families struggling to cover the cost of food alone increased from 11% (36
million) in 2007 to 14% (48 million) in 2014.
The Working Poor
Unemployment can certainly contribute to being poor, but millions of Americans endure
poverty when they have full-time jobs or even hold down more than one job. The latest figures
from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show that there are 8.6 million "working poor,"
defined by the government as people who live below the poverty line despite being employed at
least 27 weeks a year. Their economic insecurity doesn't register in our society, partly
because working and being poor don't seem to go together in the minds of many Americans -- and
unemployment has fallen reasonably steadily. After approaching 10% in 2009, it's now at only
4% .
Help from the government? Bill Clinton's 1996 welfare " reform "
program , concocted in partnership with congressional Republicans, imposed time limits on
government assistance, while tightening eligibility criteria for it. So, as Kathryn Edin and
Luke Shaefer show in their disturbing book, $2.00 a Day: Living on
Almost Nothing in America , many who desperately need help don't even bother to apply.
And things will only get worse in the age of Trump. His 2019 budget includes deep cuts in
a raft of anti-poverty programs.
Anyone seeking a visceral sense of the hardships such Americans endure should read Barbara
Ehrenreich's 2001 book Nickel and Dimed: On
(Not) Getting By in America . It's a gripping account of what she learned when, posing
as a "homemaker" with no special skills, she worked for two years in various low-wage jobs,
relying solely on her earnings to support herself. The book brims with stories about people who
had jobs but, out of necessity, slept in rent-by-the-week fleabag motels, flophouses, or even
in their cars, subsisting on vending machine snacks for lunch, hot dogs and instant noodles for
dinner , and forgoing basic dental care or health checkups. Those who managed to get permanent
housing would choose poor, low-rent neighborhoods close to work because they often couldn't
afford a car. To maintain even such a barebones lifestyle, many worked more than one job.
Though politicians prattle on about how times have changed for the better, Ehrenreich's book
still provides a remarkably accurate picture of America's working poor. Over the past decade
the proportion of people who exhausted their monthly paychecks just to pay for life's
essentials actually increased from 31% to 38%. In
2013, 71%
of the families that had children and used food pantries run by Feeding America, the largest
private organization helping the hungry, included at least one person who had worked during the
previous year. And in America's
big cities , chiefly because of a widening gap between rent and wages, thousands of working
poor remain
homeless , sleeping in shelters, on the streets, or in their vehicles, sometimes along with
their families. In New York City, no outlier when it comes to homelessness among the working
poor, in
a third of the families with children that use homeless shelters at least one adult held a
job.
The Wages of Poverty
The working poor cluster in certain occupations. They are salespeople in retail stores,
servers or preparers of fast food, custodial staff, hotel workers, and caregivers for children
or the elderly. Many make less than $10 an hour and lack
any leverage, union or otherwise, to press for raises. In fact, the percentage of unionized workers in such
jobs remains in the single digits -- and in retail and food preparation, it's under 4.5%.
That's hardly surprising, given that private sector union membership has
fallen by 50% since 1983 to only 6.7% of the workforce.
Low-wage employers like it that way and -- Walmart being the
poster child for this -- work diligently to make it ever harder for employees to join unions.
As a result, they rarely find themselves under any real pressure to increase wages, which,
adjusted for inflation, have stood still or even decreased since
the late 1970s. When employment is " at-will
," workers may be fired or the terms of their work amended on the whim of a company and without
the slightest explanation. Walmart announced this year that it would hike its hourly wage to
$11 and that's welcome news. But this had nothing to do with collective bargaining; it was a
response to the drop in the unemployment rate, cash flows from the Trump tax cut for
corporations (which saved Walmart as much as $2
billion ), an increase in minimum wages in a number of states, and pay increases by an arch
competitor, Target. It was also accompanied by the
shutdown of 63 of Walmart's Sam's Club stores, which meant layoffs for 10,000 workers. In
short, the balance of power almost always favors the employer, seldom the employee.
As a result, though the United States has a per-capita income of $59,500
and is among the wealthiest countries in the world, 12.7% of
Americans (that's 43.1 million people), officially are impoverished. And that's generally
considered a significant undercount. The Census Bureau establishes the poverty rate by figuring
out an annual no-frills family food budget, multiplying it by three, adjusting it for household
size, and pegging it to the Consumer Price Index. That, many economists believe, is a woefully
inadequate way of estimating poverty. Food prices haven't risen dramatically over the past 20
years, but the cost of other necessities like medical care (especially if you lack insurance)
and housing have: 10.5% and 11.8% respectively between
2013 and 2017 compared to an only 5.5% increase for food.
Include housing and medical expenses in the equation and you get the Supplementary
Poverty Measure (SPM), published by the Census Bureau since 2011. It reveals that a larger
number of Americans are poor: 14%
or 45 million in 2016.
Dismal Data
For a fuller picture of American (in)security, however, it's necessary to delve deeper into
the relevant data, starting with hourly wages, which are the way more than 58% of adult workers are
paid. The good news: only 1.8 million , or 2.3% of
them, subsist at or below minimum wage. The not-so-good news: one-third of all workers earn
less than $12 an hour and
42% earn less than $15. That's $24,960 and $31,200 a year. Imagine raising a family on such
incomes, figuring in the cost of food, rent, childcare, car payments (since a car is often a
necessity simply to get to a job in a country with inadequate public transportation), and
medical costs.
The problem facing the working poor isn't just low wages, but the widening gap between wages
and rising prices. The government has increased the hourly federal minimum wage more than 20
times since it was set at 25 cents under the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act. Between 2007 and
2009 it rose to $7.25, but over the past decade that sum lost nearly 10% of
its purchasing power to inflation, which means that, in 2018, someone would have to work
41 additional days to make the equivalent of the 2009 minimum wage.
Workers in the lowest 20% have lost the most ground, their inflation-adjusted
wages falling by nearly 1% between 1979 and 2016, compared to a 24.7% increase for the top
20%. This can't be explained by lackluster productivity since, between 1985 and 2015, it
outstripped pay raises, often substantially, in every economic sector except mining.
Yes, states can mandate higher minimum wages and 29 have,
but 21 have not, leaving many low-wage workers struggling to cover the costs of two essentials
in particular: health care and housing.
Even when it comes to jobs that offer health insurance, employers have been shifting ever
more of its cost onto their workers through higher deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses, as
well as by requiring them to cover more of the premiums. The percentage of workers who paid at
least 10% of their earnings to cover such costs -- not counting premiums -- doubled
between 2003 and 2014.
This helps explain why, according to the
Bureau of Labor Statistics , only 11% of workers in the bottom 10% of wage earners even
enrolled in workplace healthcare plans in 2016 (compared to 72% in the top 10%). As a
restaurant server who makes $2.13 an hour before tips -- and whose husband earns $9 an hour at
Walmart --
put it , after paying the rent, "it's either put food in the house or buy insurance."
The Affordable Care Act, or ACA (aka Obamacare), provided subsidies to help people with low
incomes cover the cost of insurance premiums, but workers with employer-supplied healthcare, no
matter how low their wages,
weren't covered by it. Now, of course,
President Trump , congressional
Republicans , and a Supreme Court in which right-wing justices are going to be even
more influential will be intent on poleaxing the ACA.
It's housing, though, that takes the biggest bite out of the paychecks of low-wage workers.
The majority of them are renters. Ownership remains for many a pipe dream. According to a
Harvard study , between 2001 and 2016, renters who made $30,000-$50,000 a year and paid
more than a third of their earnings to landlords (the threshold for qualifying as "rent
burdened") increased from 37% to 50%. For those making only $15,000, that figure rose to
83%.
In other words, in an ever more unequal America, the number of low-income workers struggling
to pay their rent has surged. As the Harvard analysis shows, this is, in part, because the
number of affluent renters (with incomes of $100,000 or more) has leapt and, in city after
city, they're driving the demand for, and building of, new rental units. As a result, the
high-end share of new rental construction soared from a third to nearly two-thirds of all units
between 2001 and 2016. Not surprisingly, new low-income rental units dropped from two-fifths to
one-fifth of the total and, as the pressure on renters rose, so did rents for even those modest
dwellings. On top of that, in places
like New York City , where demand from the wealthy shapes the housing market, landlords
have found ways -- some within the law, others not -- to get rid of low-income tenants.
Public housing and housing
vouchers are supposed to make housing affordable to low-income households, but the
supply of public housing hasn't remotely matched demand. Consequently, waiting lists are
long and people in need languish for years before getting a shot -- if they ever do. Only a
quarter of those who qualify for such assistance receive it. As for those vouchers, getting
them is hard to begin with because of the
massive mismatch between available funding for the program and the demand for the help it
provides. And then come the other
challenges : finding landlords willing to accept vouchers or rentals that are reasonably
close to work and not in neighborhoods euphemistically labelled " distressed ."
The bottom line: more than 75% of "at-risk"
renters (those for whom the cost of rent exceeds 30% or more of their earnings) do not receive
assistance from the government. The real "risk" for them is becoming homeless, which means
relying on shelters or family and friends willing to take them in.
President Trump's proposed budget cuts will make life even harder for low-income workers
seeking affordable housing. His 2019 budget proposal slashes
$6.8 billion (14.2%) from the resources of the Department of Housing and Urban
Development's (HUD) by, among other things, scrapping housing vouchers and assistance to
low-income families struggling to pay heating bills. The president also seeks to slash funds
for the upkeep of public housing by nearly 50%. In addition, the
deficits that his rich-come-first
tax "reform" bill is virtually guaranteed to produce will undoubtedly set the stage for yet
more cuts in the future. In other words, in what's becoming the United States of Inequality,
the very phrases "low-income workers" and "affordable housing" have ceased to go together.
None of this seems to have troubled HUD Secretary Ben Carson who happily ordered a
$31,000 dining room set for his office suite at the taxpayers' expense, even as he
visited
new public housing units to make sure that they weren't too comfortable (lest the poor settle
in for long stays). Carson has
declared that it's time to stop believing the problems of this society can be fixed merely
by having the government throw extra money at them -- unless, apparently, the dining room
accoutrements of superbureaucrats aren't up to snuff.
Money Talks
The levels of poverty and economic inequality that prevail in America are not intrinsic to
either capitalism or globalization. Most other wealthy market economies in the 36-nation
Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) have done far better than the
United States in reducing them without sacrificing innovation or creating government-run
economies.
Take the poverty gap, which the OECD defines as the difference between a country's official
poverty line and the average income of those who fall below it. The United States has the
second largest
poverty gap among wealthy countries; only Italy does worse.
Child poverty ? In the World Economic Forum's
ranking of 41 countries -- from best to worst -- the U.S. placed 35th. Child poverty has
declined in the United States since 2010, but a Columbia University report estimates that
19% of American kids (13.7 million) nevertheless lived in families with incomes below the
official poverty line in 2016. If you add in the number of kids in low-income households, that
number increases to 41%.
As for infant mortality , according to
the government's own Centers for Disease Control, the U.S., with 6.1 deaths per 1,000 live
births, has the absolute worst record among wealthy countries. (Finland and Japan do best with
2.3.)
And when it comes to the distribution of wealth, among the OECD countries only Turkey,
Chile, and Mexico do worse than the U.S.
It's time to rethink the American national security state with its annual
trillion-dollar budget. For tens of millions of Americans, the source of deep workaday
insecurity isn't the standard roster of foreign enemies, but an ever-more entrenched system of
inequality, still
growing , that
stacks the political deck against the least well-off Americans. They lack the bucks to hire
big-time lobbyists. They can't write lavish checks to candidates running for public office or
fund PACs. They have no way of manipulating the myriad influence-generating networks that the elite uses to shape
taxation and spending policies. They are up against a system in which money truly does talk --
and that's the voice they don't have. Welcome to the United States of Inequality.
Rajan Menon, a
TomDispatch regular, is the Anne and Bernard Spitzer Professor of
International Relations at the Powell School, City College of New York, and Senior Research
Fellow at Columbia University's Saltzman Institute of War and Peace Studies. He is the author,
most recently, of The Conceit of Humanitarian Intervention .
But Rajan ,the American can always " honor the military " at the fast food drive through,
even send a few pennies for the Wounded Warrior Project ,in addition to buying lotteries, and
writing the tithe to the Mega Churches seeking blessing for the military men and women in
uniform . They can sing with Trump"Make America Great Again " . They can come out of the
woodshed to support wars , say things against Mexican, listen to FOX,and gather around
Prospect park to celebrate birthdays , hop into a bus and continue texting to update the
status on social media . They can nod with MSNBC that they have the best freedom that any
corner of the world can afford . They if white can claim being discriminated by Asian
Americans,if black by Mexicans,if Latinos by whites .
Now it seems they could feel proud of the ability to guide China UK and Brazil/Argentina do
the right things .
Why do these experts fail to understand that our national security budget is twice that of
the Department of Defense? It is no secret, POGO runs a tally showing it's twice as much:
In past blog posts, I explained how illegal immigration is a form of slave labor. It seems
powerful people explained this to former President George W. Bush, but didn't tell him not to
repeat it in public and that Americans no longer pick cotton by hand. As a result, Bush said
this during a speech earlier this year:
"There are people willing to do jobs that Americans won't do. Americans don't want to pick
cotton at 105 degrees, but there are people who want put food on their family's tables and
are willing to do that. We ought to say thank you and welcome them."
Bush failed to note that millionaires pay only $10 an hour with no benefits for these
tough jobs, yet most field workers are US citizens or green card holders. Illegals are hired
to hold down wages and deter unions and strikes. If they would pay $20 an hour, plenty of
Americans would show up to work. Most Americans don't know that millions of white Americans
once picked cotton by hand, and picked more than Blacks or Mexicans.
Articles like this pop up here every now and then.
Something doesn't compute.
If the situation is as grim as the article says, why so many people do their best to
immigrate into USA?
Why more, just Westerners, try to immigrate into USA then Americans into those, just
Western, countries?
I've known some Americans around here where I live.
I've known many more locals who've gone to live in USA, let alone tried to get to live in
USA.
Something simply does not compute.
A simple question for an American:
If a person is prudent and sensible, is it really that hard to get by, unemployed, there?
Now, in similar topic an American did explain, some time ago, that there are so many ways
to help those unemployed/underpaid. That the social security net isn't worse, but actually
overall better, then in other Western countries.
Plus, of course, opportunities.
Again, all that data from the article I can't challenge. What doesn't make sense is net
migration, just within Western sphere.
I do know some people, several dozen I guess, who live in USA. They have been doing quite
well. From a bus driver to a top medical professional.
For a fuller picture of American (in)security, however, it's necessary to delve deeper
into the relevant data, starting with hourly wages, which are the way more than 58% of
adult workers are paid. The good news: only 1.8 million, or 2.3% of them, subsist at or
below minimum wage. The not-so-good news: one-third of all workers earn less than $12 an
hour and 42% earn less than $15. That's $24,960 and $31,200 a year. Imagine raising a
family on such incomes, figuring in the cost of food, rent, childcare, car payments (since
a car is often a necessity simply to get to a job in a country with inadequate public
transportation), and medical costs.
You forgot another expense poor communities have – governmental extraction forces
GEF. Local law enforcement target the poor with the many petty offenses(they've purposely
invented) to extract money for expanding and maintaining of their extortion racket. This no
secret or conspiracy theory, for they readily admit to it. They target the poor because they
understand that the poor do not have resources(lawyers, guns, and money) to fight back. They
target the poor because they're poor, and the poor understand this as just another bill to
pay – another added expense of living in their community.
Another indirect expense that makes all Americans a lot less rich – insurance.
Everything that moves and everything that doesn't is at least singular insured or often
double or tripled insured. Property is a good example of how one entity can be insured three
times over by the owner, renter, contractor, sub-contractor. Your body is another example of
how things "must be insured" ; no surprise when Obama care came along to do just that.
Trump makes clear statements, I too like them.
For me the USA is a third world country, the exceptions are oversized cars and gated
communities.
On one of my visits to the USA I was asked if a child could be medically treated in the
Netherlands, the choice for the parents was letting the child die, or sell their house.
In the Netherlands we have treatments that cost several hundred thousands of euro's per year,
paid for by our medical care system.
Per person we pay about € 100 per month.
Pensions, the same.
Though the EU is busy destroying the best pension systems in the world, those of the
Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries, this has not yet succeeded.
A disaster as the ENRON pension fund cannot happen here.
The USA is a great country to live in if you're rich.
And, of course, if you're willing to have the illusion that the poor have only themselves to
blame for being poor.
USA society, terrible, in my opinion, 19th century, a moneycracy.
Eisenhower in his farewell speech warned for the military industrial complex, do not have the
impression that anything changed since then.
3 weeks after the US-NATO FAILED coup attempt in Georgia (more than 2000 died), the
petrodollar [i.e., the banks) "crashed" (and Bush gave more than additional weapons [for more
than $1 Billion) to Sakashviili] .
Moreover, as Mr Kucinich explain, massive transfers occurred between certain banks
:
The USA is a great country to live in if you're rich."
And if you hold large number of slaves known as immigrants from Central and S America
Immigrants serve same purpose the slaves did . It balances the poor middle class white's rage
that can tilt the anger and hatred against the rich ( mostly white ).
This situation goes right into the creation of US It missed the social and political and
religious changes of 18 th and 19 the centuries which gave birth to pre 2000 political system
and social systems of EU .
Implosion of Soviet lent more credence to the economic-political system of USA because the
blind and the deaf evaluated it for teh blind and the deaf who missed the success of the
system on the back of African Latin American and Asian poor newly independent ) confused )
countries. Those countries provided the ingredients- moral ,economic,emotional , – to
the working white class . It b;bolstered their hatred dismissive attitude to the foreigners
and cemented their love for a hateful system that hurt actually the interest of the middle
class and poor whites but gave them a sense of connection ,belonging,and partnerships through
color language and religion- all are false .
This is the same mindset that glues the the untouchables and the poor Hindus to the RSS- BJP
– Brahmanical system of oppression
"... Still, doesn't the Universe work in such a way that *good* is constitutionally unable to successfully confront *evil*? Doesn't evil-fighting-evil and destroying a worse-evil leave a little less evil in this world? ..."
...You can't put lipstick on an American fascist pig only because he pretends detente with Russia. It's tantamount to
selling one's soul for an illusion. It's tantamount to treason if you live anywhere except in the U.S. OR Israel! And even if
you live in the U.S. you are enabling the 1% and Zionist power.
That's it. I'm tired of Trumpgod can do no wrong when everything he stands for is wrong. Get the snow out of your eyes!
Guerrero | Jul 17, 2018 7:21:47 PM | 149
Circe @135
For sure I am in agreement: the "Trumpgod" is a shamanistic construction of a demoralized population.
Still, doesn't the Universe work in such a way that *good* is constitutionally unable to successfully confront *evil*?
Doesn't evil-fighting-evil and destroying a worse-evil leave a little less evil in this world?
If that is how this Universe really works, and one has only force to work with, in the material realm, Donald Trump would
seem well enough suited to the role of either lesser or greater-evil; either-way, hopefully leading-to dimunition of error,
self-deception, and suffering of the children of Eve and Adam.
@149 Guerrero said: "Still, doesn't the Universe work in such a way that *good* is
constitutionally unable to successfully confront *evil*?"
Not often one sees metaphysics enter the realm of geo-political debate in this or any
political forum. But, heck, why not? The unseen forces guiding the survival instincts of the
universe (of which the Earth is a part) may indeed be at work. Trump - whatever one sees in
him - seems to be the man for the times. Paradigms are bending, cracking, the conversation is
changing.
I'll never forget the shock in the MSM, almost to the point of stupefaction, at Trump
accusing Obama during the election campaign of being the "founder of ISIS."
What was even more amazing was how weak Obama's response was. I don't think anybody
posting here would disagree that ISIS was Obama's baby - whether through adoption or
progeny.
But what serious candidate for President before Trump would ever say such a thing publicly
- even if he knew it to be true? Whether by design or through blundering, boorish idiocy born
of whatever flaws and motives you want to ascribe to him, Trump is very boisterously
upsetting the political apple cart and with it the entire world order.
If it is indeed for show as the world elites close their grip on the people of the planet
- it is quite a show. But I don't think so...
Within minutes MSM had the theme to broadcast. It was from their puppet masters in the FBI/CIA. They're told what to say. There's
no doubt about that now.
Also, there's no doubt that they are pushing for war with Russia, within months or a few years, depending on what happens to
Trump.
The Russians will know this now. All the post WWII wars were done in the same way: demonizing leaders, "defending democracy",
false flag ops. But this present push is for the end game of killing the host; which is the life strategy of the parasitoid. The
complete destruction of humanity and total ecocide.
The parasitoid corporate fascists are now in full control of the media and their disease vector politicians/bureaucrats, not
just in the US but the EU/NATO as well.
A parasitoid is an organism that lives in close association with its
host and at the host's expense, and which sooner
or later kills it. Parasitoidism is one of six major
evolutionary strategies within
parasitism . Parasitoidism is distinguished by the fatal
prognosis for the host, which makes the strategy close to
predation .
In epidemiology , a disease vector is any agent that
carries and transmits an infectious pathogen into another
living organism; [1] [2]
The idea that demography is political destiny is not new. Peter Brimelow and Edwin Rubenstein
warned of its dangers in the pages of National Review in the 1990s. Steve Sailer later
argued
that Republicans would fare better by targeting white voters. The problem with these observations was not their accuracy, but their
audience. The GOP establishment and donor elites had little interest in such thinking until Donald Trump's
breakthrough
in 2016. But what happens when Trump leaves office? Will the GOP return to its old ways, as Trump's former chief of staff Reince
Priebus has
predicted ? The answer is almost certainly no. The reasons have little to do with the GOP elite, however, whose views have not
substantially changed. They instead have everything to do with what is happening in the other party. As Brimelow and Rubenstein recently
pointed out in VDARE (and as I did at
American Renaissance
), while the nation is not expected to reach majority-minority status until
2045 , the Democratic Party is already approaching that historic milestone. The political consequences of these changes will
be profound and irreversible. The developments that are unfolding before our eyes are not a fluke, but the beginning of a new political
realignment in the United States that is increasingly focused on race.
The Emerging Majority-Minority Party While warnings of brewing demographic trouble were being ignored by the establishment
right, they received a better reception on the left. In 2004, Ruy
Teixeira and John Judis wrote a book called
The Emerging Democratic
Majority that triumphantly predicted that demographic change would soon produce a "new progressive era." The theory's predictive
powers waxed and waned over the years, but after Trump's 2016 election Teixeira and another coauthor, Peter Leyden, insisted that
Democrats would soon sweep away an increasingly irrelevant GOP and forcibly
impose their will, much as had already happened in California. These arguments have a glaring weakness, however. They assumed
that Democrats would continue to draw the same level of support from white voters. Instead, many have been fleeing to the GOP. Throughout
the 20 th Century, Democrats had won the presidency only by winning or keeping it close among these voters. Barack Obama
was the first to break this pattern, defeating John McCain in 2008 while losing the white vote by
12 percent
. Four years later he beat Mitt Romney while losing it by
20 percent
. Hillary Clinton lost the white vote in 2016 by a similar 20-point
margin . This
loss of white support, coupled with the continued demographic change of the country, has helped push the Democratic Party toward
majority-minority status. Since 1992, the white share of the Democratic presidential vote has dropped an average of about one percent
per year. At its current rate, it could tip to majority-minority status by 2020. It will occur no later than 2024. The political
consequences of this shift are already apparent. In 2008, Obama beat Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination with
the overwhelming backing of
black voters.
Clinton beat Bernie Sanders in 2016 with similar black and Latino
support . This year's state elections have continued the trend, with minority candidates winning Democratic gubernatorial nominations
in Georgia ,
Texas , New Mexico , and
Maryland , with another likely win in
Arizona later this year. This sudden
surge in minority candidates is not an indicator of increased open mindedness, but of demographic change. While the national
Democratic Party is only just approaching majority-minority status, in much of the nation it is already there.
While the demographic trend of the Democratic Party seems clear enough – as does its leftward drift and increased embrace of minority
candidates – it is still possible to argue that the nation's politics will not divide along racial lines. The most obvious alternative
is that both parties will compete for minority votes and both will experience demographic change in an increasingly
multiracial nation. Could this happen? Black voters seem least likely to change. They already routinely provide Democrats with
90 percent of their votes. They are the backbone of the party, with a former president, nearly 50
members of the Congressional Black Caucus, and numerous mayors in
major American cities among their ranks. Given the Democratic Party's steadfast commitment to black issues such as affirmative action
and Black Lives Matter, few are likely to be won over by the occasional attempts at Republican
outreach . Latinos also typically
support Democrats in presidential elections by a 2-to-1 margin, but they have been a more serious target for Republicans, including
President
George W. Bush , his acolyte
Karl Rove , authors of the
GOP autopsy
released after Mitt Romney's 2012 loss, and occasional
writers
in National Review . Some have observed that many Latinos
value whiteness and are more likely to
self-identify
as white thelonger they have been in the country.
In fact, some Latinos arewhite , particularly
those from Latin America's leadershipclass . Others have
reported on
substantialhostility
that exists between Latinos and blacks that may make them more likely to see whites as natural allies. There are several problems
with these arguments. The most important are
persistent
race-based
IQ differences that will keep most mestizos (who are the
bulk of Latino immigrants)
trapped at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum regardless of their racial identification. Arguments that they will assimilate
like their European predecessors fail to explain why
racialhierarchies have
persisted in their home
nations for hundreds of years. These inequalities probably explain the high levels of
Hispanicsupport for government programs that
are likely to keep most of them tied to the Democratic Party for the foreseeable future. Although Asians also
support Democrats
by a 2-to-1 margin, they seem potentially more
promising . Unlike America's black and Latino populations, East Asians (such as Japanese and Chinese) have IQs that may be slightly
higher than that of white Americans on average.
Moreover, affirmative action policies backed by Democrats typically
work to
their detriment
. However, most Asian immigrants
are not East Asians and their IQs (such as those of Indians or Pakistanis) are much
lower . Finally, no matter
what their nationality, Asians are generally unsympathetic
to whites
who want to restrict nonwhite immigration. Unsurprisingly, all of these reasons have contributed to Asians
movingaway
from the Republican Party, not toward it. Some argue that Republicans have no choice but to accept demographic change and move left
to gain minority support. The GOP may well move left in
ways
that
are
acceptable to its white
working class
base and help it with white moderates – such as protecting Social Security and Medicare. But it will never win a
bidding
war with Democrats for their base of minority voters, nor would the GOP base let it try.
White polarization is the mirror image of nonwhite polarization and its causes are similar. Numerous
scholars have
citedgenetics
as a basis for reciprocal altruism among closely-related kin and hostility toward outsiders among humans and in the animal kingdom
in general. This ethnocentrism is instinctual, present
amongbabies , and whites are
not immune from its effects. Most are socialized to suppress their ethnocentric instincts, but they remain only a
shortdistance beneath the surface. Academics sometimes
argue that
positive direct contact is a promising strategy for overcoming racial differences, but research has shown that the
negativeeffects are more
powerful – something a cursory glance at
crime statistics would
confirm. Rampant white flight and segregation in
neighborhoods
,
schools , and personal
relationships provide the most definitive evidence on the negative influence of direct contact. Its impact on voting is also
well established, particularly for whites and blacks. The shift of white Southerners away from the Democratic Party after civil rights
legislation was enacted in the 1960s was almost immediate and has
remained
strong ever since. White flight produced similar
political
advantages for Republicans in suburbs across the country during this period. Their advantage has softened since then, but primarily
because the suburbs have become
less white , not
lesssegregated . White voting is similarly affected
by proximity to Hispanics. White flight and segregation are a constant in heavily Latino areas in
both
liberal and conservative
states. The resulting political backlash in places like
California and
Arizona has been well-documented and confirmed
by
academicresearch
. Support for President Trump has also been shown to be highly
correlated with
whiteidentity
and
opposition to immigration. These trends are expected to become stronger over time.
Experimental
research has shown that growing white awareness of demographic change makes them more
conservative , less favorably disposed to
minorities, and feel greater attachment to other whites. The effects are heightened the more whites think they are
threatened . The associated
ideological effects are just as important. The influence of ideology is obvious in socially conservative states like North Dakota
and Kansas . However, the Democrats'
growing leftward tilt has become an issue even in liberal states like those in New England, many of which now regularly
elect
Republicans as governors
. In fact, liberal Massachusetts has had
just one Democratic governor in the past quarter century. The power of leftist ideology to drive whites together may reach its
zenith if Democrats resume their attack on segregation in neighborhoods and schools.
De facto segregation has
protected
white liberals from the consequences of their voting
decisions for years. If Democrats are
returned to power, however, they appear
ready
to
touch this electoral
third rail
.
Further evidence of racial polarization can be found by looking abroad. Ethnic conflict has been a constant in human relations –
everywhere and throughouthistory . More recently,
64 percent of
all civil wars since 1946 have divided along ethnic lines
. Such conflicts are highly correlated with genetic diversity and
ethnic polarization . Some of the worst examples,
such as Yugoslavia, Rwanda, and Sudan, have included ethnic cleansing and genocide. Race-based identity politics are just a lower
form of ethnic conflict. Like ethnic conflict more generally, the strength of such politics depends on the level of ethnic diversity
and corresponding racial polarization. In homogenous societies, for example, politics tends to divide along class and cultural lines.
As a society becomes more diverse, however, ethnicity begins to play a growing
role . Politics and
parties that are explicitly
ethnically-based usually do not appear until much later, when a nation has become more diverse and has begun to suffer extreme racial
polarization. Such politics have been shown to produce substantial ethnic
favoritism
. Their appearance is often a
prelude to civilwar or
partition . The United
States has not reached this stage, but its future can be seen in other nations that are further down the road. One example is Brazil.
While the United States will not become majority-minority until 2045, Brazil reached that milestone in
2010 . For much of the 20
th Century, Brazil viewed itself as a harmonious racial
democracy and a model for the rest of the world, but this image has been tarnished in recent years. The nation's changing demographics
demonstrated their power with the election of Lula da Silva in 2002 and his hand-picked successor, Dilma Rousseff, in 2010. Support
for these two presidents – both members of the leftist Workers Party – was
concentrated
in the largely black northern half of the country, while opposition was concentrated in the mostly
white south . Their victories depended on
the nation's changing demographics. Once elected, they rewarded their black supporters with substantial expansions of
affirmative action and
a new cash transfer system, called Bolsa Família, which disproportionately
benefitted
Afro-Brazilians. Since then, Brazil's fortunes have taken a turn for the
worse . Rousseff was
impeached
after a massive corruption scandal in 2016. Crime has
exploded . Black activists
nowderide the notion of "
racial democracy " and have become
more
militant
on racial issues. An explicitly
black political party has
also appeared. This has corresponded with a similar backlash in the white population. The leading candidate for the presidential
election this year is Jair Bolsonaro, sometimes referred to as the
Trump of the Tropics . A white separatist movement called the
South is My Country is drawing substantial support. Brazilians are reportedly
losing faith in
democracy and becoming more receptive to
military
rule .
The preponderance of the evidence – domestic, international, historical, and scientific – suggests that American politics will
continue to polarize along racial and ethnic lines. At least in the short term, Republicans will benefit as white voters flee from
the other party. But will the GOP adequately capitalize on these gains?
Various elements of the
GOPestablishment
, including the
business elite and pro-immigration donors like the
Koch brothers , continue to hold substantial
power within the party. Reince Priebus probably echoed their views when he
said , "I think post-Trump, the party basically returns to its traditional role and a traditional platform."
Such status quo thinking ignores too much. There are numerous signs that the party is changing. Trump's popularity within his
own party is the
second highest among all presidents since World War II, trailing only George W. Bush in the aftermath of 9/11. Congressional
Never Trumpers like Bob
Corker , Jeff Flake
, and
Mark Sanford have been defeated or stepped aside. Prominent
columnists ,
analysts , and at least
one former GOP leader
are now declaring it Trump's party.
These changes are not solely about Trump, however. There were signs of change before his arrival. Eric Cantor's primary defeat
in 2014 was widely
attributed to softness on immigration, which met furious
grassroots opposition . Moreover, if Trump's rise were
merely a one-off event, we would not be seeing the simultaneous rise of nationalist movements in Europe, which is facing its own
immigration crisis .
The more likely answer is that these changes reflect something more powerful than any individual, even the president of the United
States. The same survival
instinct that is present in all living creatures still burns brightly within the world's European peoples. Trump was not the
cause, but a consequence – and we will not go gently into the night.
Patrick McDermott(email him)is a political analyst in Washington, DC.
This ethnocentrism is instinctual, observable even among babies. Whites are not immune from its effects. Most are socialized
to suppress their ethnocentric instincts, but they remain only a short distance beneath the surface.
Even the most vile race-virtuosos' ethnocentric instincts boil to the surface in the flight to "good schools" for their children.
The "Good schools" rationale works for them. Gets them away from the city, away from those awful Blacks. It was always diversity
for thee. The closest most liberals get to diversity is the Hispanic housekeeper. Because the Blacks, you know, they steal the
liquor/silver/Waterford". Heard variations of this a million times..
Brilliant synthesis. Excellent article. Patrick McDermott hits it out of the ballpark, noting correctly that ethnocentrism is
"instinctual". So true. So obvious. And this suppressed truth is just the tip of the iceberg. America lives under 'intellectual
occupation'.
But the hardening scientific facts involving race, kinship, and phenotype are testament to the hollowness of 'anti-racist'
rhetoric and ideologies that dominate so much of the American landscape.
These liberal creeds pretend to repudiate (all) 'racism' and bigotry, but in political fact, they strategically target only
white Americans. This makes these lofty 'values' not only disingenuous but unfair and destructive.
Highfalutin (but bogus) liberalism has come to play a diabolical role. It undermines white cohesion and white solidarity. Meanwhile,
from high above, irreversible demographic changes are being orchestrated.
MacDermott correctly observes that the West's unsought ethno-racial transformation is what's behind the reinvigoration of white
identity in Europe and America. This at least is good news.
Says MacDermott:
"Ethnic conflict has been a constant in human relations -- everywhere and throughout history. More recently, 64 percent of
all civil wars since 1946 have divided along ethnic lines. Such conflicts are highly correlated with genetic diversity and ethnic
polarization. Some of the worst examples, such as Yugoslavia, Rwanda, and Sudan, have included ethnic cleansing and genocide."
Very true. Very important. And while MacDermott avoids mentioning a more obvious example, the most persistent expression of
this phenomena can be seen in Israel/Palestine, where allegedly 'Semitic' Jews are doing whatever it takes to keep their lesser
(Semitic) cousins at arms length–in this case, in the caged ghettos of Gaza and the West Bank.
Undue and uncompromising Jewish influence in Zio-America is allowing this race-born outrage to continue. Sadly, Israeli savagery
routinely receives Zio-Washington's unconditional blessing, trillion-dollar subsidy, and unflinching diplomatic cover.
But besides the disputed territory and Israel's untouchable political power, what nourishes the endless Israel/Palestine impasse?
Jewish 'exceptionalism' is one key motivator.
The Chosen people are convinced that they are born vastly superior to their Semitic cousins.
Thus, strict segregation is required for the assurance of 'Jewish (genetic) continuity'. This objective however requires steadfast
cruelty since the natives are still restless and rebelling.
Supremacism means never having to say you're sorry. This is especially true since, ironically, peace between Jews and Arabs
could potentially lead to increased Jewish 'outmarriage' in Israel and consequently, the gradual reduction in Israeli (Jewish)
IQ and Jewish 'exceptionalism' (supremacy).
Over time, potential genetic intermingling would very possibly undermine Jewish magnificence and therefore, Jewish cohesion.
This could then translate into a loss of Jewish solidarity and 'community'. It's possible.
This downturn could subsequently affect Jewish wealth and power, and that is certainly not an outcome that the Jewish community
desires.
Leaders of the global Jewish community are smart enough to envision this scenario and to prevent it from happening. They use
The Holocaust (and it's potential re-0currance) as an all-purpose excuse. But it's phony. Self-segregation is a sacred, ancient
Jewish value. Thus the glamorization of interracial romance is directed only at the goyim, as is the message of Open Borders.
Just turn on your TV. It's there constantly.
These 'liberal, democratic' messages however are never advocated in Israel, nor are they directed at young Jews via Israeli
TV, news, entertainment or education.
You will never see glamorous depictions of Jewish/Arab miscegenation on Israeli television, even though black/white 'family
formation' on Jewish-owned mass media in America is ubiquitous.
Hostile US elites (Jews) apparently want non-Jewish whites to become mixed, brown. This racial objective however is anathema
to Jewish values. It's strictly for the goyim.
Meanwhile, whites in America are not permitted to think or hold values like Israeli Jews, or to even express similar preferences
inside the civilization that they and their forefathers created. This speaks volumes about the lack of freedom in America. Yes,
we live under intellectual occupation.
For many Israeli Jews (the dominant thinking goes) strict segregation–if not active warfare–is the only sure way to maintain
'hafrada' (separation) for Jews in Israel since they are surrounded by tens of millions of similar-looking but 'unexceptional'
Arabs.
Unlike America, walls (and segregation) remain sacred in Israel. But not here.
In fact, some Latinos are white, particularly those from Latin America's leadership class
I think the reality is, Latinos/Hispanics simply form lines like any group would do. I am white, all my fellow Hispanic friends
are white, and we consider ourselves essentially an ethnicity within Whiteness, just like Italians, or high-caste French Creoles,
White Persians, Lebanese or Jordanians.
The easiest way to tell if an "ethnic" is conservative or republican (outside of obvious virtue signalers), is to ask yourself,
" Is this person white ?". Other than famous actors and political types that have the luxury being "liberal" (e.g. Salma
Hayek) every day Hispanics, Persians and Arabs that are white, act, do and think, like every day White Anglo-Saxons, Germanics
and Nordics–for the most part (obviously IQ plays a part). Don't get me wrong, there is a difference in IQ and mindset in the
particulars between a Norman and a (white-ish) Sicilian, some IQ, some cultural, but if and when a civil war comes–no one will
have ANY problem knowing where they and others stand and belong.
Reince Priebus: "I think post-Trump, the party basically returns to its traditional role and traditional platform."
And that would be U.S. hegemony and market fundamentalism? Unlikely and unattractive. U.S. military dominance starves our society
and enriches the national security state and the rogue regimes in Tel Aviv and Riyadh. Market fundamentalism does not take into
account human frailty, and would produce widespread desperation.
What can be gleaned from Mr. McDermott's instructive article is that, like it or not, identity needs to be included in the
political lexicon of working class and middle class whites. Elite whites continue to cede power to blacks and browns in politics
and business as the slide into Idiocracy accelerates. This is an opportunity for disaffected whites from the Democratic Party
and Republican Trump supporters to form a coalition.
The political consequences of these changes will be profound and irreversible.
When Ted Kennedy was pushing the 1965 opening of our borders to atone for racism, he made repeated assurances that we would
not end up where we ended up. He said the level of immigration would remain the same, the ethnic mix would not inundate America
with immigrants from any particular place or nation, that the ethnic pattern of America would not be changed, and that we wouldn't
have something crazy like a million immigrants a year, certainly not poor ones who would place a burden on citizens.
When Reagan's amnesty happened, again promises where made that we could and would keep our country. Now, it looks like Brazil
is our future.
Elections are already being decided by racial votes of minorities, which aren't considered racist by that half of America that
eagerly anticipates our demise. What a rude surprise they are in for when they discover they are still white and will be honorary
deplorables once they no longer have political power.
But will the GOP adequately capitalize on these gains?
Ha, Derbyshire doesn't call it the Stupid Party for nothing.
Regarding my home state of Arizona, that 66% figure is an interesting anomaly. Except for my fellow writers, most of the white
folks I know are pretty conservative. Many secretly supported Trump or voted Libertarian in protest of the lousy mainstream choices.
Perhaps this is a reflection of white flight from California.
You dense "scientific" racists can't see the forest for the trees, as is always the case. The importance of this election has
nothing to do with demographics. But you wouldn't know that because all you want to do is scream raceracerace all de liblong day.
No. The importance of this race is that Ocasio-Cortez is "a strikingly perfect candidate, both in policy positions and refusal
to take corporate money. She fits the identity politics profile without once using identity politics virtue-signaling to cover
for lousy policies. This is shattering to the Clintonista crowd, who are spinning like tops."
However, most Asian immigrants are not East Asians and their IQs (such as those of Indians or Pakistanis) are much lower.
Really? How come so many are doctors, scientists and computer programmers? Those aren't typically low-IQ professions. Is this
just a case of aggressive brain-drain? Do all the stupid ones stay behind in India?
In homogenous societies, for example, politics tends to divide along class and cultural lines. As a society becomes more
diverse, however, ethnicity begins to play a growing role.
Yup. That's probably why the Democratic Party traded class war for race war.
Really? How come so many are doctors, scientists and computer programmers?
The advance guard in the US was the professional elite. Not so in the UK. Subcontinentals are much closer, or even below, average
there. Even here, motel owners may outnumber doctors, scientists, and computer programmers combined.
Is this just a case of aggressive brain-drain?
Yes.
And it's worse in Canada.
Do all the stupid ones stay behind in India?
There are a billion more people in India than in the US. Do the arithmetic.
OK. I'll make it simple for you because your understanding doesn't extend beyond simple.
Ocasio-Cortez is a very good candidate, and, unless she is co-opted–which, 99 out of a 100 (notice my use of "statistics,"
I mean damned lies, you statistics-worshipers) is the chance she will be–she is a hundred times better than Crowley the Clintonite
hack. Racists are really stupid. They vote against their own interests, just like all "conservatives."
The author throws around 'left' and 'right' as if they transparently applied in the case of ethnic politics. I would argue that
it has been the economic 'right' that has relentlessly pursued diversity of populations – quite arguably for millennia, and certainly
in the last 50 years. Some sane economic leftists realize this, although they are an endangered and shrinking group.
However if it is the right that is the main mover in favor of diversity (empire preferred to nation state for the easier control
of labor), I'm not sure what solutions there are. Whites voting for the Republican Party is not a long time viable solution since
the owners of that party have fundamentally different interests than the white working class (as leftists have correctly pointed
out over and over).
Ocasio's victory is a nightmare for the Democrats. The Leftist media is touting her as the future of the party, but her platform
makes Obama look like a rightwing extremist.
- Federal Jobs Guarantee
- Medicare for All
- Tuition-free public college
- Reduce prisons by 50%
- Defund ICE
But the real poison pill is her unwavering support for the Palestinians. I'm not making a value judgment on this or any other
of her policies, but if the GOP can tag the next Democratic presidential candidate with Ocasio's worldview, then expect a Trumpslide
in 2020.
What do the (((brains))) and (((primary funders))) behind the Democratic party think of this rising star? Here are some choice
quotes from NY Jewish Week:
To some, the stunning victory of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, an outspoken critic of Israel, over 10-term Rep. Joseph Crowley
(D-Queens-Bronx), an Israel supporter, in Tuesday's Democratic primary is seen as another nail in the coffin of Democratic support
for the Jewish state.
"If she maintains her anti-Israel stance, she will be a one-term wonder," predicted George Arzt, a New York political operative.
"I don't think you can have someone with those views in New York City. If she moderates, she could win again. If she doesn't,
there will be massive opposition to her -- maybe even a cross-over candidate from the Latino community with pro-Israel views."
Hank Sheinkopf, a veteran Democratic strategist, said he sees Ocasio-Cortez's overwhelming victory -- she won with 57.5
percent of the vote -- as "another step in the ongoing divorce proceedings between the pro-Israel community and the Democratic
Party."
Jeff Wiesenfeld, a former aide to both Republican and Democratic elected officials, said he read Ocasio-Cortez's Twitter
and Facebook postings and said she has voiced opinions that are "downright hostile to Israel."
After 60 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military in May while attempting to breach the fence along the Israel-Gaza
border, Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter: "This is a massacre. I hope my peers have the moral courage to call it such. No state
or entity is absolved of mass shootings of protestors. There is no justification. Palestinian people deserve basic human dignity,
as anyone else. Democrats can't be silent about this anymore."
"We have never stepped into a situation in New York City in which a member of Congress starts out hostile to us," he added.
"This is a new frontier."
"While Jewish Democrats support much of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's domestic policy agenda, we disagree with her past statement
regarding Israel, as well as her affiliation with the Democratic Socialists of America, which supports the boycott, divestment
and sanctions (BDS) movement targeting Israel," it added. "In the coming days and months, we hope to learn more about Ms. Ocasio-Cortez's
views, but at the moment, her position on Israel is not in line with our values."
What will Jewish Democrats do if the Ocasio/DSA platform becomes mainstream in the Democratic party? Join up with the anti-Trump
neocons and vote for a third party? While the Republicans can win nationwide elections without Jewish money and votes, there's
no evidence that the Democrats can, at least not yet.
Another factor in Ocasio's surprise victory, as so delicately pointed out by the noted political analyst Andrew Anglin, is
that:
"Furthermore, people want to f*ck her."
No shit. Her good looks and likeable personality mean that she's likely in the media spotlight to stay, no matter how much
the MSM (((gatekeepers))) might want to shield the general public from her, ahem, "problematic" views.
As an aside, I believe her nationwide appeal is enhanced by her complete lack of the godawful, ear-grating Nuyorican accent
so commonplace among her co-ethnics. In fact she speaks with a general American accent with barely even a hint of New Yorkese.
I don't know if this is part of a generalized homogenization of regional accents throughout the country, or if she affects this
dialect for personal and/or political reasons. Either way, it only adds to her appeal.
If the Ocasio-Sanders wing of the Dems continues its electoral ascendancy, then Donald Trump will start looking more and more
like the moderate adult in the room compared to the infantile, gibsmedat, tantrum-throwers on the far left. Which is terrible
news for the Clintonite, corporate bloodsucker wing of the Dems, but fantastic news for the rest of us.
If the Ocasio-Sanders wing of the Dems continues its electoral ascendancy, the same people who voted for Trump will vote for them.
You have no understanding whatsoever about the mood of the current polity.
Economics is just a tool to that end. When identity looked to be more productive, they pivoted quite gracefully.
Welfare bureaucrats derive their power from the poor, not the working, and there are many more poor abroad than at home. Creating
a welfare state thus creates a giant constituency for importing more poor, and poorer.
One of the credos of realism has been "There are no angels, so set the devils against one another." As pie-in-the-sky as economists
can be, they're closer to the truth on this one than the pro-regulation forces, who assume, by definition, that the regulators
will be angels.
Americans, at least Unz reviewers, lump all Hispanic speakers into one category. Does Cortez even speak Spanish, except for her
ethnic purposes? More important, a Puerto Rican origin is both Creole and Roman Catholic. That puts them in a category all their
own. She has no love for Israel because her background did not come under the influence of the Christian Zionist Churches. Her
black origins make her atavistically side with the Palestinians.
You have no clue about "Trump supporters." For your information, they will vote for anyone who shakes things up. Their second
choice after Trump was Sanders. These are facts. Read 'em and weep.
The Establishment wants to pretend that these voters don't exist. Even though they tipped the election. Along with most people
(even here) they want to keep everything in neat boxes labelled Right vs Left, Rep vs Dem, etc etc. Spares them the 'vexation
of thinking'.
Actually, I have a quite contrary view of the political implications of these shifts in racial demographics. For those interested,
here's a link to a long article I published a few years ago on this same exact topic:
The Saker is missing the point of Anglo Warfare. Anglos don't value direct warfare, so they
don't care if another military has better tech. Anglos realized a long time ago it is much
less costly to just play divide and conquer to defeat a more powerful adversary by getting
other countries to do the fighting.
Hence trying to tarpit Russia in Syria which Putin wisely did not fall for.
The Anglo-Zionist Empire would be foolish to directly confront Russia, so they won't.
Instead they will seek to economically strangle Russia and turn close allies against her such
as Ukraine.
This is something Russias weapons cannot protect itself with.
I am very busy at the moment and have little time to comment. However, I did read the Saker's
review of Martyanov's book and its comments. My small insight is that a son of a Soviet sovok
and a son of White-Russian are cooperating. I always wanted for this to happen, but I still
find it amazing and most significant. For me, it is a good explanation why modern Russia is
so successful compared with US and Soviet Union. The Russians are mostly at peace with their
20th century history and look towards the future. Opposite to this, as the generals usually
fight the previous war, US still fights a country which does not exist any more. The new
Russian challenge is to fight the fifth column of the Russian Liberals, the lovers of the
West, exemplified by Anatoly Elliot Karlin-Higgins, the customary Jewish ideologues with
forked tongues.
My apology for using the disparaging word sovok, which I read for the first time in
disparaging comments by the above mentioned big BSer.
Finally, it would be interesting if the current Russian and Chinese weapons development
would initiate a weapons race which would help crush the already precarious US and Western
financial system. It is not that US military spending is a problem as a percentage of GDP,
but its further increase at this time could be the straw which broke camel's back. In my
mind, Saker and Martyanov with their writing, as well as the Russian civilian and military
leadership with their public statements, show an honest wish to deter the West from attacking
Russia. But the unintended effect on somebody bound on world-supremacy will be to spend even
more (as inefficiently as before) to gain back the supremacy. As I have written many times
before, the only possible solution for the preservation of humanity is the financial
collapse of the US/West .
Or maybe it is a bit like with the most recent US Presidential Election, the Russians win
with either of the two terrible candidates winning. If US chase them in military technology
development, they go bankrupt. If US do not chase them, they cannot attack Russia and China
any more. Shaking down "the allies" for more money is already seriously destabilising the
political order of the West. The overall direction of things is obvious.
Communication satellites were mentioned in the article, that is not LEO since the
Motorola's Iridium died. Most if not all US military communication satellites are in the
geo-sync orbit 36,000 km away. Any decent ASAT system would be targeting both GPS in LEO and
C3 satellites in geosynchronous orbit.
"... The underlying assumption of Trump's strategic thinking is that 'power works': the more intransigent his posture, the greater his belief in a unipolar world based on US power. As a corollary, Trump interprets any ally, adversary, competitor who seeks negotiations, reciprocity or concessions is 'weak' and should be pressured or forced to concede greater concessions and further retreats and sacrifices, up to the ultimate goal of surrender and submission. In other words, Trump's politics of force only recognizes counter-force: limitations in Trump's policies will only result when tangible economic and military losses and costs in US lives would undermine US imperial rule. ..."
"... Iran's one-sided concessions; trading military defense for market opportunities encouraged Trump to believe that he could intimidate Iran militarily by closing all its markets. ..."
"... Trump views President Rohani as a rug seller not a military strategist. Trump believes that an economic squeeze will lead President Rohani to sacrifice his allies in Syria, Lebanon (Hezbollah), Yemen (Houthi), Palestine (Hamas) and Iraq (Shia)and to dismantle its ICBM defense strategy. ..."
"... Trump pursues the strategic goal of weakening Iran and preparing a regime change, reverting Iran into a client state – as it was prior to the 1979 revolution under the Shah. ..."
"... The second reason for Trump's policy is to strengthen Israel's military power in the Middle East. The Trump regime is deeply influenced by the Zionist power configuration (ZPC) in the US, dubbed 'the Lobby'. ..."
"... Trump believes a successful trade war will lead to a successful military war. Trump believes that a submissive China, based on its isolation from the 'dynamic' US market, will enhance Washington's quest for uncontested world domination. ..."
"... Trump's loud, threatening gestures are a real danger to world peace and justice. But his assumptions about the consequences of his policy are deeply flawed. There is no basis to think his sanctions will topple the Iranian regime; that Israel will survive unscathed from a war with Iran: that an oil war will not undermine the US economy; that Europe will allow its companies to be frozen out of the Iran market. ..."
"... Trump's trade war with China is dead in the water. He cannot find alternative production sites for US multi-nationals. He cannot freeze China out of the world market, since they have links with five continents. ..."
"... Are Trump's threats of war part of a strategy of bluff and bombast designed to intimidate, in order to secure political advantages? Is Trump playing the Nixon-Kissinger 'madman' tactic, in which the Secretary of State tells adversaries to accept his 'reasonable' demands or face the worst from the President? I don't think so. ..."
"... Trump's "policy" is simply a reflection of his character as a narcissistic, arrogant bully. To "make America great again" means for him "make America the Global Bully" again. However, behind the facade of all his bravado hides a puppet of the Jewish Power Structure, which is even more dangerous than Trump himself. "Make Zion Great Again" would be a more apposite slogan. ..."
For some time, critics of President Trump's policies have attributed them to a mental
disorder; uncontrolled manic-depression, narcissus bullying and other pathologies.
The question of Trump's mental health raises a deeper question: why do his pathologies take
a specific political direction?
Moreover, Trump's decisions have a political history and background, and follow from a logic
and belief in the reason and logic of imperial power.
We will examine the reason why Trump has embraced three strategic decisions which have
world-historic consequences, namely: Trump's reneging the nuclear accord with Iran ;Trump's
declaration of a trade war with China; and Trump's meeting with North Korea.
In brief we will explore the political reasons for his decisions; what he expects to gain;
and what is his game plan if he fails to secure his expected outcome and his adversaries take
reprisals.
Trump's Strategic Framework
The underlying assumption of Trump's strategic thinking is that 'power works': the more
intransigent his posture, the greater his belief in a unipolar world based on US power. As a
corollary, Trump interprets any ally, adversary, competitor who seeks negotiations, reciprocity
or concessions is 'weak' and should be pressured or forced to concede greater concessions and
further retreats and sacrifices, up to the ultimate goal of surrender and submission. In other
words, Trump's politics of force only recognizes counter-force: limitations in Trump's policies
will only result when tangible economic and military losses and costs in US lives would
undermine US imperial rule.
Reasons Why Trump Broke the Peace Accord with Iran
Trump broke the accord with Iran because the original agreement was based on retaining US
sanctions against Iran; the total dismantling of its nuclear program and calling into question
Iran's limited role on behalf of possible allies in the Middle East.
Iran's one-sided concessions; trading military defense for market opportunities
encouraged Trump to believe that he could intimidate Iran militarily by closing all its
markets.
Trump views President Rohani as a rug seller not a military strategist. Trump believes
that an economic squeeze will lead President Rohani to sacrifice his allies in Syria, Lebanon
(Hezbollah), Yemen (Houthi), Palestine (Hamas) and Iraq (Shia)and to dismantle its ICBM defense
strategy.
Trump pursues the strategic goal of weakening Iran and preparing a regime change,
reverting Iran into a client state – as it was prior to the 1979 revolution under the
Shah.
The second reason for Trump's policy is to strengthen Israel's military power in the
Middle East. The Trump regime is deeply influenced by the Zionist power configuration (ZPC) in
the US, dubbed 'the Lobby'.
Trump recognizes and submits to Zionist-Israeli dictates because they have unprecedented
power in the media, real estate, finance and insurance (FIRE). Trump recognizes the ZPC's power
to buy Congressional votes, control both political parties and secure appointments in the
executive branch.
Trump is the typical authoritarian: at the throat of the weak, citizens, allies and
adversaries and on his knees before the powerful ZPC, the military and Wall Street. Trump's
submission to Zionist power reinforces and even dictates his decision to break the peace accord
with Iran and his willingness to pressure. France, Germany, the UK and Russia to sacrifice
billion-dollar trade agreements with Iran and to pursue a policy of pressuring Teheran to
accept part of Trump's agenda of unilateral disarmament and isolation. Trump believes he can
force the EU multi-nationals to disobey their governments and abide by sanctions.
Reasons for Trump's Trade War with China
Prior to Trump's presidency, especially under President Obama, the US launched a trade war
and 'military pivot' to China. Obama proposed the Trans-Pacific Pact to exclude China and
directed an air and naval armada to the South China Sea. Obama established a high-powered
surveillance system in South Korea and supported war exercises on North Korea's border. Trump's
policy deepened and radicalized Obama's policies.
Trump extended Obama's bellicose policy toward North Korea, demanding the de-nuclearization
of its defense program. President Kim of North Korea and President Moon of South Korea reached
an agreement to open negotiations toward a peace accord ending nearly 60 years of
hostility.
However, President Trump joined the conversation on the presumption that North Korea's peace
overtures were due to his threats of war and intimidation. He insisted that any peace
settlement and end of economic sanctions would only be achieved by unilateral nuclear
disarmament, the maintenance of US forces on the peninsula and supervision by US approved
inspectors.
Trump's unilateral declaration of a trade war against China accompanied his belief that
military threats led to North Korea's "capitulation" – its promise to end its nuclear
program.
Trump slapped a trade tariff on over $100 billion dollars of Chinese exports in order to
reduce its trade imbalance by $200 billion over two years. He demanded China unilaterally end
industrial 'espionage', technological 'theft' (all phony accusations) and China's compliance
monitored quarterly by the US.
Trump demanded that China not retaliate with tariffs or restrictions or face bigger
sanctions. Trump threatened to respond to any reciprocal tariff by Beijing, with greater
tariffs, and restrictions on Chinese goods and services. Trump's goals seek to convert North
Korea into a military satellite encroaching on China's northern border; and a trade war that
drives China into an economic crisis.
Trump believes that as China declines as a world economic power, the US will grow and
dominate the Asian and world economy.
Trump believes a successful trade war will lead to a successful military war. Trump
believes that a submissive China, based on its isolation from the 'dynamic' US market, will
enhance Washington's quest for uncontested world domination.
Trump's Ten Erroneous Thesis
Trump's political agenda is deeply flawed!
Breaking the nuclear agreement and imposing harsh sanctions has isolated Trump from his
European and Asian allies.
His military intervention will inflame a regional war that would destroy the Saudi oil
fields. He will force Iran to pursue a nuclear shield against US-Israeli aggression and lead
to a prolonged, costly and ultimately losing war.
Trump's policies will unify all Iranians, liberals and nationalist, and undermine US
collaborators.
The entire Muslim world will unify forces and carry the conflict throughout Asia, Africa
and the Middle East.
Tel Aviv's bombing will lead to counter-attacks in Israel.
Oil prices will skyrocket, financial markets will collapse, industries will go
bankrupt.
Trump's sanctions and military aggression against Iran will lead to mutual economic
destruction.
Trump's trade war with China will lead to the disruption of the supply chain which
sustains the US economy and especially the 500 US multi-nationals who depend on the Chinese
economy for exports to the US.
China will increase domestic consumption, diversify its markets and trading partners and
reinforce its military alliance with Russia.
China has greater resilience and capacity to overcome short-term disruption and regain its
dominant role as a global economic power house.
Wall Street will suffer a catastrophic financial collapse and send the US into a world
depression.
Trump's negotiations with North Korea will go nowhere as long as he demands unilateral
nuclear disarmament, US military control over the peninsula and political isolation from
China.
Kim will insist on the end of sanctions, and a mutual defense treaty with China.
Kim will offer to end nuclear testing but not nuclear weapons. After Trump's reneged on
the Iran deal, Kim will recognize that agreements with the US are not trustworthy.
Conclusion
Trump's loud, threatening gestures are a real danger to world peace and justice. But his
assumptions about the consequences of his policy are deeply flawed. There is no basis to think
his sanctions will topple the Iranian regime; that Israel will survive unscathed from a war
with Iran: that an oil war will not undermine the US economy; that Europe will allow its
companies to be frozen out of the Iran market.
Trump's trade war with China is dead in the water. He cannot find alternative production
sites for US multi-nationals. He cannot freeze China out of the world market, since they have
links with five continents.
Trump cannot dominate North Korea and force it to sacrifice its sovereignty on the basis of
empty economic promises to lift sanctions.
Trump is heading for defeats on all counts. But he may take the American people into the
nuclear abyss in the process.
Epilogue
Are Trump's threats of war part of a strategy of bluff and bombast designed to
intimidate, in order to secure political advantages? Is Trump playing the Nixon-Kissinger
'madman' tactic, in which the Secretary of State tells adversaries to accept his 'reasonable'
demands or face the worst from the President? I don't think so.
Nixon unlike Trump was not led by the nose by Israel. Nixon unlike Trump was not led by
pro-nuclear war advisers. Nixon in contrast to Trump opened the US to trade with China and
signed nuclear reduction agreements with Russia.
"Trump's sanctions and military aggression against Iran will lead to mutual economic
destruction."
indeed they will, and sadly it well deserved after the last 20yrs off US terrorism.
the US hubris will soon meet karma, and we all know karma is a bitch..
This theory is the opposite of what I suppose is the right explanation, the explanation also
given by prof Laslo Maracs, UVA Amsterdam, that Trump and his rich friends understand that
the USA can to longer control the world, conquering the rest of the world totally out of the
question.
The end of the British empire began before 1914, when the two fleet standard had to
lowered to one fleet.
Obama had to do something similar, the USA capability of fighting two wars at the time was
lowered to one and half. What half a war accomplishes we see in Syria. In the thirties the
British, some of them, knew quite well they could no longer defend their empire, at the time
this meant controlling the Meditarranean and the Far East. Lawrence R. Pratt, 'East of Malta,
West of Suez', London, 1975
The British guarantees to Poland and countries bordering on the Med lighted the fuse to
the powder keg that had been standing for a long time.
Churchill won, the British thought, and some of them think it still, WWII.
But shortly after WWII some British understood 'we won the war, but lost the peace'. I
still have the idea that Trump has no intention of losing the peace, but time will tell.
I suppose Trump just is buying time against Deep State and Netanyahu.
The fool Netanyahu is happy with having got Jerusalem, he does not see the cost in increased
hatred among Muslims, and Israel having won the Eurovision Song Festival.
Trump's "policy" is simply a reflection of his character as a narcissistic, arrogant
bully. To "make America great again" means for him "make America the Global Bully" again.
However, behind the facade of all his bravado hides a puppet of the Jewish Power Structure,
which is even more dangerous than Trump himself. "Make Zion Great Again" would be a more
apposite slogan.
Overall a good analysis, but as far as his support of Israel is concerned, his family
connections with the most ultra-Zionist factions should not be overlooked.
I continue to admire President Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Xi of China. WHY? .because
RESULTS matter more than opinions on internet websites, T.V., or in printed publications.
N. Korea has stopped performing ICBM or nuke tests, a less extremist regime change "coup"
took place in Saudi Arabia, financing/ weapons flows / intelligence to Syrian terrorists has
dried up with resulting collapse of ISIS, Iran is threatening to release the names of
European & American politicians who previously made millions / billions off the Iran nuke
deal if it is dropped, Harvey Weinstein, Allison Mack, and "Weiner" were untouchable before
Trump, the list just goes on and continues to get bigger.
A major reason for admiration of Putin is that the Mainstream Media (MSM) can't stop
demonizing him. So of course I'm logically led to believe that he is mostly a good guy since
the MSM has proven itself repeatedly to distort the Truth. Putin also largely ended the
oligarchs power, doubled Russian citizens income, used an tiny Russian military in Syria to
gradually reverse ISIS expansion there, improved Russia's internal manufacturing,
agricultural, mining, and technological research/ development, intellectually crushed
international debate opponents repeated using only logic and facts (You should watch the
videos!), built / rebuilt over 10 thousand churches, has patriotic Muslims (Crimea) fighting
for Russia in Syria, etc. etc. Xi of China has pretty impressive credentials but this post is
overly long anyway.
RESULTS CANT MORE THAN WORDS!
Of course they do this, they would be stupid if they didn't.
• Agree: CalDre
I like your frankness. Every countries is into this at different degree, with ZUS the
apex. But been leading in most tech area currently & lazy to produce any useful things,
ZUS is very unhappy that their esponage net result is negative, hence the continuous
whining.
When tide reverse with China leading in most tech, ZUS will complaint about complex patent
system as been flawed in exploitating & suppressing of weaker country innovation, juz as
it did for WTO & Globalization now.
Of course any moronic comments about only China is esponaging US IPR & rise purely due
to US FDI & Tech transfer will resonate CalDre into high chime.
Forensic evidence has already proven that the data on the DNC server was downloaded on a USB
thump drive. The bombshells in Robert Mueller's indictment of 12 Russian intelligence
officers, hackers of DNC server, put a damper on Trump's one on one visit with Putin.
Impact of transferring govt from public domain into private ownership
Oligarch/Pharaoh (TLD) massive wealth, personally owned
Private Corps (PC) (doing govt jobs, or possessing a govt monopoly or power)
Slave Drivers (SD) ( elected by the public to run the govt)
Public (P) ( those forced to accept only recourse is to vote & pay)
After Slave driver elected, discovers must answer to PC, not P, the voters.
PC = derive large % of corporate income from one of the following classes
A. private contractors doing govt jobs (banking, energy, private mercenary
armies, whatever, domestic or foreign or military contractors & 1 Oligarch/ Pharaoh who
live in different places in the world). Please note PC layer collective contributions
(advertising $s) support the privately owned media; enables them to collectively
promote:hide, accelerate:retard programs as needed to adjust the behaviors and attitudes of
the public.
Whole segments of the global economy belong to one or a few enterprises in each class of PCs.
Substantial economic power and most political power hb transferred into private hands.
Private corporations now have or control whole segments of the profit potential in the entire
world, they can now operate transparent to (invisible or visible to) and independent of the
politics of any nation. For example the exclusive right to produce electric power and to
build the infrastructure to deliver that power to homes and businesses is domestic in nature,
but if you look carefully you will see the same pharaohs or oligarchs own them. The patent
that prevents all others from competing in the computer operating system market makes it
possible for one corporation to control every computer in the world. Patents on search engine
technology makes it possible for one privately owned, oligarch controlled corporation to
determines whose website is find-able and whose website is not, to collect personal data on
everyone worldwide, and to deny those who do not agree with the Oligarch.
Note: Privatized govt d/n care who the people elect. because all decisions and political
power belongs to the oligarchs. Elected who fail to support the Oligarchs do not get re
elected? The decisions, laws and use of govt resources are no longer in the hands of the
voting public or their elected representatives.
Total revenue = total cost ($9/stop X 12 mo X 1,000,000 = $108,000,000
Privatise Garbage collection (City grants franchise to corporation A)
Corporation A raises the price from $9/stop to $10/stop:
Total revenue = $10/stop X 12 mo X 1,000,000 stops =$120,000,000
less: Total cost = $ 9/stop X 12 mo X 1,000,000 stops=$108,000,000
Profit the franchise gave to the Franchise owner = $ 12,000,000
means each person in City A was forced to give
one of the private oligarch owned corporations
$12/yr from their pocket.
ACTOR TRUMP has done one thing: Trump has tried to changed which corporations are to be
the recipients of the privatization deals. Putin and Trump both realize they need to counter
the up and coming Indian, Iranian, and Chinese intrusion into the corporate markets their
constituencies have traditionally enjoyed monopoly powers in. The deal with Putin is about
the getting the CIA backed LNG business off Putin's back, but it is a problem for Trump,
because wall street and London have invested heavily in the LNG. LNG explains why Bush, jr
entered the White house, why 9/11 was produced, and why Iraq was invaded, the gas lines to
Europe at the Ukraine were taken over politically, Why Turkey was a big player early on in
the Syrian invasion, why Libya was obliterated, why the Morsey teams in Egypt were destroyed,
and why the CIA invented ISIS invasion into Syria, why the Saudis have agreed to wipe Yemen
of the map and raise production by 1,000,000 bbls/day when the world has already a gut of oil
and why Oligarchs in Iran and Russia have been sanctioned.
But the unmentioned player in all of this, is those who, pledge their allegiance to
Israel?
On the matter of immigration, even many commentators who support ease of migration also
oppose the extension of government benefits to immigrants.
The idea, of course, is that free movement of labor is fine, but taxpayers shouldn't have to
subsidize it. As a matter of policy, many also find it prudent that immigrants ought to be
economically self sufficient before being offered citizenship. Switzerland, for instance,
makes
it harder to pursue citizenship while receiving social benefits.
This discussion often centers around officially recognized "welfare" and social-benefits
programs such as TANF and Medicaid. But it is also recognized that taxpayer-funded benefits
exist in the form of public schooling, free clinics, and other in-kind benefits.
But there is another taxpayer-supporter program that subsidizes immigration as well: the US
military.
Translation: the US government has begun laying off immigrants from taxpayer-funded
government jobs.
It's unclear how many of these jobs have been employed, but according to the Department of
Homeland security, "[s]ince Oct. 1, 2002, USCIS has naturalized 102,266
members of the military ."
The Military as a Jobs Program
Immigrants, of course, aren't the only people who benefit from government jobs funded
through military programs.
The military has long served as a jobs programs helpful in mopping up excess labor and
padding employment numbers. As Robert Reich noted in
2011 , as the US was still coming out of the 2009 recession:
And without our military jobs program personal incomes would be dropping faster. The
Commerce Department reported Monday the only major metro areas where both net earnings and
personal incomes rose last year were San Antonio, Texas, Virginia Beach, Virginia, and
Washington, D.C. -- because all three have high concentrations of military and federal
jobs.
He's right. While the private sector must cut back and re-arrange labor and capital to deal
with the new economic realities post-recession, government jobs rarely go away.
Because of this, Reich concludes "America's biggest -- and only major -- jobs program is the
U.S. military."
Reich doesn't think this is a bad thing. He only highlights the military's role as a de
facto jobs program in order to call for more de jure jobs programs supported by federal
funding.
Given the political popularity of the military, however, it's always easy to protect funding
for the military jobs programs than for any other potential jobs programs. All the Pentagon has
to do is assure Congress that every single military job is absolutely essential, and Congress
will force taxpayers to cough up the funding.
Back during the debate over sequestration, for example, the Pentagon routinely warned
Congress that any cutbacks in military funding would lead to major jobs losses, bringing
devastation to the economy.
In other words, even the Pentagon treats the military like a jobs program when it's
politically useful.
Benefits for enlisted people go well beyond what can be seen in the raw numbers of total
employed. As Kelley Vlahos
points out at The American Conservative , military personnel receive extra hazard pay "even
though they are far from any fighting or real danger." And then there is the "Combat Zone Tax
Exclusion (CZTE) program which exempts enlisted and officers from paying federal taxes in these
45 designated countries. Again, they get the tax break -- which accounted for about $3.6
billion in tax savings for personnel in 2009 (the combat pay cost taxpayers $790 million in
2009)– whether they are really in danger or not."
Nor do the benefits of military spending go only to enlisted people. The Pentagon has long
pointed to its spending on civilian jobs in many communities, including manufacturing jobs and
white-collar technical jobs.
This, of course, has long been politically useful for the Pentagon as well, since as
political scientist Rebecca Thorpe has shown in her book
The American Warfare State , communities that rely heavily on Pentagon-funded employment
are sure to send Congressmen to Washington who will make sure the taxpayer dollars keep flowing
to Pentagon programs.
Whether you're talking to Robert Reich or some Pentagon lobbyist on Capitol Hill, the
conclusion is clear: the military is both a jobs program and a stimulus program. Cut military
spending at your peril!
Military Spending Destroys Private Sector Jobs
The rub, however, is that military spending doesn't actually improve the economy. And much
the money spent on military employment would be best spent on the private, voluntary
economy.
This has long been recognized by political scientist Seymour Melman who has discussed the
need for "economic conversion," or converting military spending into other forms of spending.
Melman
observes :
Since we know that matter and energy located in Place A cannot be simultaneously located
in Place B, we must understand that the resources used up on military account thereby
represent a preemption of resources from civilian needs of every conceivable kind.
Here, Melman is simply describing in his own way what Murray Rothbard explained in
Man, Economy, and State . Namely, government spending distorts the economy as badly as taxation
-- driving up prices for the private sector, and withdrawing resources from private sector
use.
The military actually destroys jobs in the civilian economy. The higher profits from
cost-plus military manufacturing cause manufacturers to abandon more competitive civilian
endeavors; and the permanent war economy takes engineers, capital and resources away from
civilian production.
But, as a classic case of "the seen" vs. "the unseen," it's easy to point to jobs created by
military spending. How many jobs were lost as a result of that same spending? That remains
unseen, and thus politically irrelevant.
Military fan boys will of course assure us that every single military job and every single
dollar spent on the military is absolutely essential. It's all the service of "fighting for
freedom." For instance, Mitchell Blatt writes , in the
context of immigrant recruits, "I'm not worried about the country or origin of those who are
fighting to defend us. What matters is that our military is as strong as it can be." The idea
at work here is that the US military is a lean machine, doing only what is necessary to get the
job done, and as cost effectively as possible. Thus, hiring the "best" labor, from whatever
source is absolutely essential.
This, however, rather strains the bounds of credibility. The US military is more
expensive than the next eight largest militaries combined . The US's navy is ten times
larger than the next largest navy. The US's air force is the largest in the world, and the
second largest air force belongs, not to a foreign country, but to the US Navy.
Yet, we're supposed to believe that any cuts will imperil the "readiness" of the US
military.
Cut Spending for Citizens and Non-Citizens Alike
My intent here is not to pick on immigrants specifically. The case of military layoffs for
immigrants simply helps to illustrate a couple of important points: government jobs with the
military constitute of form of taxpayer-funded subsidy for immigrants. And secondly, the US
military acts as a job program, not just for immigrants but for many native-born Americans.
In truth, layoffs in the military sector ought to be far more widespread, and hardly limited
to immigrants. The Trump Administration is wrong when it suggests that the positions now held
by immigrant recruits ought to be filled by American-born recruits. Those positions should be
left unfilled. Permanently.
No you retarded fuck, the military is a taxpayer-funed merc army supporting the overseas
hegemonic goals of American-style Corporatism . That the military is full of the sons and
daughters of poor people is only because rich whites won't send their trustfund babies to
kill brown people for oil.
No, asshole. It's about money. About cash and gold. Profit. Markets. Growth. About cheap
or free resources. Access to labor. New customers.
War makes companies rich, it might be the ONLY way they can get rich. War is waged when GM
wants to sell trucks to the Pentagon. When Boeing wants to sell jets. When MIT wants money
for arms research. When NATO wants a reason to exist. The dogs of war are loosed when oil
gets tight. When countries won't "accept our cultural freedoms". When trade agreements aren't
enough to open up new markets.
Isreal has fleeting nothing to do with it, except maybe when war aligns with their
perceived need for hegemony in their own sphere. But by loading all this on Isreal you
encourage others to miss the real fox in the henhouse. You could wipe Isreal off the Earth
tomorrow and still have wars for profit for a thousand years to come.
This nation was born in war. It has practiced war since that day and will be at war with
the rest of the world until humans are killed to the last and the last ounce of profit from
war is had.
or from systematic corruption of all US Institutions and the politicization of all US
Institutions... you need a job, you want to work here, you say this, and you do this, ... tow
the line, no politics, no whistleblowing,... and we won't blackball your ass from the
industry... got it... u got debts, keep ur nose clean!
Yes the pay sucks but you get more done before 8am than most people do in a week. But
seriously its a pretty good gig in the long run. Medical care a decent retirement system,
travel a chance to meet and integrate with different cultures and kill them...its pretty
cool.
Excluding a small percentage, the military is much like the DMV. We have a cartoon vision
of all enlisted being GI Joe, ready to grab a gun and fight evil. This in not the case at
all. Most positions are very simple, repetitive bureaucratic positions. Really is a giant
Jobs program to keep people busy.
"The idea at work here is that the US military is a lean machine, doing only what is
necessary to get the job done, and as cost effectively as possible."
"... When one believes that patriotism and defense of empire must be synonymous, and that skepticism of international conflict implies sympathy with a foreign power, it is easy to see why someone would seek out the most nefarious answer. ..."
"... But when one is an empire, the indispensable nation, rules just don't apply to it like they do to other, lesser countries. "He [Rohrabacher] is widely suspected of having an ulterior motive." What Chait means is his cocktail party peers widely suspect it. ..."
"... But what he is convinced about is the utility of the U.S. led liberal world order imposed at the point of a gun. ..."
"... Yet at the same time it's quite out of the question to discuss how Israel controls our politics, tells Congress what bills to pass, frog-marches us into wars on her behalf, openly buys both presidential candidates, etc. ..."
"... It's like a prostitute getting out from under her John and complaining in all seriousness about who a man is looking at her legs. It's positively bizarre. ..."
"... Posting Trump as a decision maker is making fun of the global deplorables as being dull. He is an insider joke, as Hillary, in case someone might misfire. ..."
"... As for Brennan, corporate animals as Brennan do strictly nothing that is grounded in original thought, has any kind of career risk, requires physical courage. Corpses keeping corpses warm. Ah, what a time in history to be a journalist, an artesan of linear fairy and horror. How far away from any meaningfulness. The middle classes, digging their own demise. ..."
"... In fact, the crooked Russians Trump knows are small fry among the CIA agents that looted Russia under CIA's puppet ruler Yeltsin. Felix Sater bragged about it, till they shut him up. Trump aided Russian capital flight by helping Russian crooks and traitors launder their money in real estate (because you don't get to be president without running lots of errands for CIA.) It is a truism that the best oppo is slightly distorted tales of the candidate's dirty work for CIA. That way party dupes foam at the mouth demonizing their enemy figurehead and forget about CIA, who runs them all. ..."
"... As for John Brennan, the walking conspiracy machine, he is the godfather of the U.S. intelligence (civilian) war against outsider Trump. ..."
The former intelligence official Chait trots out as an example is John O. Brennan, who has
gone on the record saying there is something fishy about the Trump-Russia relationship that
might even breach on treasonous. "While the fact that the former CIA director has espoused this
theory hardly proves it, perhaps we should give more credence to the possibility that Brennan
is making these extraordinary charges of treason and blackmail at the highest levels of
government because he knows something we don't." Contrary to that impression, Brennan's
statements should make one very skeptical. Or at least that's the logical conclusion of anyone
outside the establishment groupthink previously described. If the former CIA director knows
something the public doesn't, why has no action been taken? If there is solid, irrefutable
evidence that Donald Trump has been compromised by a foreign power, why is John Brennan keeping
it secret? Congress should be alerted, and Vice President Pence sworn in under the Twenty-fifth
Amendment. But in two years since the original start of the investigation, Brennan has
presented no such evidence. In fact, using Brennan as the example shows how blind one can be
when only seeing life through the establishment paradigm. As CIA director, John Brennan not
only provided a real-guard defense
of torture , but oversaw U.S.
military aid to Syrian jihadists allied with Al-Qaeda. If Donald Trump is a traitor to his
country, what does that make Brennan and his aiding and abetting of America's sworn enemy? The
actions of the Obama administration are widely sourced and admitted by public officials, but
Chait pays no mind. That's because people like Chait don't see crimes committed in defense of
the empire as real crimes.
Chait opens his chronology in the year 1987, when Donald Trump both visited Moscow on a
business trip and began voicing open political sentiments. Trump's comments focused on the
United States' relationship with its allies, saying Americans were getting a raw deal. "The
safest assumption is that it's entirely coincidental that Trump launched a national campaign,
with himself as spokesman, built around themes that dovetailed closely with Soviet
foreign-policy goals shortly after his Moscow stay." Chait is nothing short of duplicitous
here, admitting that the whole premise reaches nothing above coincidental while simultaneously
trying to poison the waters. As Trump said, why shouldn't countries that can afford to defend
themselves do so? Why does the burden fall on the American taxpayer to defend the economically
rich people of Germany and Japan? The answer, Chait says, is to defend the "liberal
international order" of the postwar era. An order that requires U.S. military domination of the
planet. Having other countries defend themselves would take away from U.S. preeminence, and
most importantly, U.S. power. The idea of Americans protecting America only would at first
glance to be the logical, even pro-American answer. But it is certainly the anti-hegemony
answer, and to Chait that puts it in the category of a pro-Soviet goal.
In a single sentence, Chait tries to both summarize and dismiss the downturn in
Russian-American relations that accelerated during Barack Obama's second term. "During the
Obama administration, Russia grew more estranged from the United States as its aggressive
behavior toward its neighbors triggered hostile responses from NATO." Perhaps it would be
unreasonable to expect Chait to detail Russian relations with the West over the past 25 years,
such as NATO expansion eastward in contradiction to
previous promises , the U.S. withdraw from the
Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002, or the 2008 Russo-Georgian War with violence initiated by
the latter . But to not only ignore the February 2014 coup in Ukraine that initiated recent
hostilities between the U.S. and Russia, but to also put the blame on the latter's "aggressive
behavior," is at best laughable and at worst dishonest. In February of 2014 the democratically
elected government of Ukraine was overthrown in a coup orchestrated by the United States
government, an event Chait and his peers do their best to forget .
Russia's subsequent annexation of the Crimean Peninsula (containing the Russian naval base at
Sevastopol) was a wholly reactive measure. To say the recent estrangement was triggered by
anything else than western aggressive behavior is factually inaccurate.
A deep-dive into Paul Manafort's past relationships fills the middle of the article, along
with Chait's biased perceptions. "This much was clear in March 2016: The person [Manafort] who
managed the campaign of a pro-Russian candidate in Ukraine was now also managing the campaign
of a pro-Russian candidate in the United States." What makes Donald Trump pro-Russian? "Well I
hope that we do have good relations with Russia. I say it loud and clear, I've been saying it
for years. I think it's a good thing if we have great relationships, or at least good
relationships with Russia. That's very important," says the President. Donald Trump has not
proposed any kind of military alliance with Russia, giving it financial aid of any kind, or
granting it favored-nation status. Simply to want "good" relations with a country is enough to
be pro-Russian, in Chait's characterization. Does that make Trump pro-any country he doesn't
wish to bomb? Is Donald Trump equally pro-Peruvian, pro-Nepalese, and pro-Tanzanian as he is
pro-Russian? Shouldn't it be the proper view of the United States to try to have good working
relations with all foreign powers, especially if that power has thousands of stockpiled nuclear
weapons? A better description of that view would be pro-American .
It is important to emphasize and explain these seemingly small choices of language because
of how much they reveal of Chait's worldview. When one believes that patriotism and defense
of empire must be synonymous, and that skepticism of international conflict implies sympathy
with a foreign power, it is easy to see why someone would seek out the most nefarious
answer. Chait is willing to overlook obvious, mundane explanations to imply Trump has
committed wrong because to Chait, he already has by opposing the international order's chosen
script. "It is possible to construct an innocent explanation for all the lying and skulduggery
[sic], but it is not the most obvious explanation. More likely, collusion between the Russians
and the Trump administration has continued beyond the campaign." Or, perhaps, politics is
naturally a game for liars and the political world is specially made to house them. "Why would
Manafort, who has a law degree from Georgetown and years of experience around white-collar
crime, behave like this? Of all those in Trump's camp, he is the furthest thing from a true
believer, and he lacks any long-standing personal ties to the president or his family, so what
incentive does he have to spend most or all of his remaining years in prison rather than betray
Trump?" The most obvious answer would seem to be that there is nothing to betray; if there is
no grand conspiracy of Russian collusion, Manafort has not spilled the beans for any reason
more inexplicable than there is nothing to spill. Or if that's too boring, there's always the
answer Chait is giddy to suggest. "One way to make sense of his behavior is the possibility
that Manafort is keeping his mouth shut because he's afraid of being killed." Creativity knows
no bounds.
Chait seeks comfort in those who might be even further down the establishment paradigm than
he is. He describes an exchange between House Speaker Paul Ryan and House Majority Leader Kevin
McCarthy in the summer of 2016 where they joke about Trump and California Congressman Dana
Rohrabacher being on Russian President Vladimir Putin's payroll. While criticizing the GOP
leaders' joke as in bad taste, he describes the foreign policy positions taken by Rohrabacher.
He once again uses the phrase "pro-Russian" to describe them, falling into the same verbal trap
as before. Of interest, Chait mentions Rohrabacher's denouncement of U.S. opposition to the
Crimean annexation as "hypocrisy" considering America's foreign policy. The implication is that
this is some sort of hokum, but it is nothing more than showing American self-awareness. Verbal
reproaches to Russia by the U.S. government are drown out by the facts, including the overthrow
of the Ukrainian government just days before Russian actions in Crimea, and the 2003 invasion
of Iraq which stands to this day as the biggest crime of the 21 st century. But
when one is an empire, the indispensable nation, rules just don't apply to it like they do to
other, lesser countries. "He [Rohrabacher] is widely suspected of having an ulterior motive."
What Chait means is his cocktail party peers widely suspect it.
What follows is a description of Trump's actions as President regarding Russia, which seem
to belie Chait's point of a special closeness. Trump was apparently "apoplectic" when political
realities compelled him to sign new sanctions on Russia in the summer of 2017. Since those
sanctions ran counter to the explicit platform Trump campaigned and won on, that would seem to
be a normal reaction to any policy reversal. Trump says he thinks Russia should be allowed back
into the G7. The idea that a geopolitical power player that approaches nuclear parity with the
United States should be involved in such a global forum doesn't require further explanation.
During that G7 conference Trump expressed the belief that Crimea rightfully belongs to Russia
because the people there speak Russian. He's not wrong; the people of Crimea are ethnically
Russian, speak the language, and culturally identify with Russia proper. The people of Crimea
should have the right to vote in a fair, internationally monitored referendum on whether to be
a part of Ukraine or Russia. That's the right of self-determination, an American goal if there
ever was one. Chait says Putin engineered the end of the U.S.-South Korea military exercises
during the recent negotiations with North Korea. Such an insinuation, outright ignoring the
months of talks that have been taking place between North and South Korea, the stated goals of
the Moon Jae-in administration, and South Korean public opinion, is naïve to the highest
degree. That sort of western-centric view, that the United States is always the decision maker,
is further proof of the establishment imperialistic mindset Chait has written his entire
article from. He concludes with the foreboding note that Trump is about to meet with Putin in a
special summit next month. Somehow Trump meeting with Putin 19 months into his presidential
term is scandalous, while George Bush meeting Putin 5 months into his term, and Barack Obama 6
months into his term (in Moscow no less!) garnered so such suspicious coverage.
Chait, to his credit, almost makes it through the entire article without pulling out one of
the most overused, most debunked
storylines of "Russiagate." The storyline that anyone who says Russia was not behind the 2016
Democratic National Committee hack (or leak )
is " contradicting the conclusion of every U.S. intelligence agency." That conclusion was
reached not by the U.S. intelligence community but handpicked analysts from only four of
seventeen agencies. "But who is bending the president's ear to split the Western alliance and
placate Russia? His motive for these foreign-policy moves is obviously strong enough in his
mind to be worth prolonging an investigation he is desperate to terminate." It cannot be that
good relations with Russia is self-evidently beneficial to the United States, or that Donald
Trump is a genuine believer in that policy. Jonathan Chait is so enamored with established
Washington foreign policy that no disagreement can be anything other than odious.
To reiterate, Jonathan Chait is not convinced that what he wrote is the truth. He admits
that there is no conclusive evidence that Donald Trump was a Russian intelligence asset in 1987
or any other year. But what he is convinced about is the utility of the U.S. led liberal world
order imposed at the point of a gun. The biases of his language towards permanent military
hegemony run through his writing. This leads to the discoloring or even misrepresentation of
the facts.
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But what he is convinced about is the utility of the U.S. led liberal world order
imposed at the point of a gun.
He's channeling Lenin/Trotsky:
But what they were convinced about was the utility of the Bolshevik led soviet world order
imposed at the point of a gun.
Same people, same totalitarianism, same repression – the difference is that the U.S.
totalitarians don't quite yet have the absolute power they need to liquidate the
"Deplorables".
The truly absurd thing about all this is that people profess concern about Russia influencing
our poloitical process. If she does, it's in various ways so haphazard, trivial, marginal,
and ineffectual as to verge on the illusory.
Yet at the same time it's quite out of the question to discuss how Israel
controls our politics, tells Congress what bills to pass, frog-marches us into wars on
her behalf, openly buys both presidential candidates, etc.
It's like a prostitute getting out from under her John and complaining in all
seriousness about who a man is looking at her legs. It's positively bizarre.
If only Russian influence was all we had to worry about. Let's get that Israeli implant
out of our cerebral cortex -- then think about whether that Russian fungus on our toenail
really is a problem.
Doesn't the story of the little boy who cried wolf apply here?
Yes, but point being that this seems to be the consensus among the many factions –
mostly of the left (aka soft neoliberals --NNB) , and the retarded left(those who think the
Democratic Party has their back, known as RL – Retarded Left). But some on the hard
right are on board too.
As many contrary, but not mainstream, articles have pointed out – it's faith based,
like a religion. No hard evidence is ever needed, and that is why it keeps getting more
cult-like the more time goes by. Soon there will be a condition named for all the
nonbelievers, and medications prescribed.
Yet at the same time it's quite out of the question to discuss how Israel controls our
politics, tells Congress what bills to pass, frog-marches us into wars on her behalf,
openly buys both presidential candidates, etc.
It would be interesting to see a poll of how many Americans really understand that? 1%
maybe? I don't know, but that's the rub – how effective the corporate owned media has
over the mass mentality of their captive audience.
Yesterday evening, here in the Netherlands, I saw a former Obama adviser interviewed, who
complained about the Atlantic alliance having been built up in 70 years destroyed in a few
days.
Knowing nothing about history and obvious facts seems to be the rule these days.
Until 1917 Europe had intensive trade with Russia.
Why not resume this trade ?
Meaning, since there is nothing much to write about in the heat of the Northern
hemisphere, anything goes. A classic example of inducing irrelevant thought in braindeads.
Trump, true or not? Well, Trump does not matter.
Posting Trump as a decision maker is making fun of the global deplorables as being
dull. He is an insider joke, as Hillary, in case someone might misfire.
As for Brennan, corporate animals as Brennan do strictly nothing that is grounded in
original thought, has any kind of career risk, requires physical courage. Corpses keeping
corpses warm. Ah, what a time in history to be a journalist, an artesan of linear fairy and
horror. How far away from any meaningfulness. The middle classes, digging their own
demise.
This summer will see more then usual "snatch a bone" and have the pack run with it.
Amen.
Trump visits unsteady, dilapidated Moscow in 1987. He notices that the USSR is not the
all-powerful mega-threat it may have been in the 70s.
Trump also visits various glistening European capitals and notices the much higher level
of development.
He then reads that America is paying for the defence of Europe against the USSR. He
notices that this doesn't make sense. Europe has more than enough capacity to defend itself.
America might better spend that money elsewhere.
Two decades later New York Times writer insinuates that Trump could be a sleeper Soviet
agent for coming to this conclusion. Even though Trump was proven right by events.
Here is an interesting historical look at how the United States responded when it believed
that Russia/the USSR was using propaganda against Washington:
I really didn't read very far in this. But let's stop and end with Chait's comment:
"Russia was already broadcasting its strong preference for Trump through the media."
Well hmmm. Considering that Hillary was all but declaring war on Russia and an even-bet to
get us into a shooting war with them, and considering that nearly all the other Republicans
were members of NeoCon incorporated, and considering that Jewish media hysteria about Russia
was ramping up by the day, and considering that Trump was the ONLY candidate poking holes in
the NeoCon narrative, then Russia would have been pretty stupid NOT to prefer Trump.
Yeah, I might prefer the candidate who was far and away the least likely to drop nuclear
bombs on my nation too.
It's simply amazing how such extreme story telling is allowed to avoid the fact that the US
is wasting its resources on pointless conflicts thruout the world while the nation decays.
Also surprising? The fact that supposedly sane political and military leaders can continue
to demand ever more conventional military spending based on a fantasy that war with
China/Russia wouldn't go nuclear.
Where are the liberals with any principles? Or is that a contradiction in terms? Why not
support Trump against the warmongers and fix the country instead?
The linchpin of the TrumpRussianSpy!!1! notion is identifying the Russian mafiya with the
Russian government. Every crooked Russian gets the epithet Putin-linked, close to Putin, or
some variant.
In its purest form you see Amy Knight writing in CIA house organ Daily Beast, "The real
question is where does the Russian criminal state end and the criminal underworld begin, and
how do they work together in what amounts to a new murder incorporated?" This is classic
projection by CIA. It's CIA that recruits every kind of organized crime as agents and
cutouts. They project this trait onto the entire Russian state.
In fact, the crooked Russians Trump knows are small fry among the CIA agents that
looted Russia under CIA's puppet ruler Yeltsin. Felix Sater bragged about it, till they shut
him up. Trump aided Russian capital flight by helping Russian crooks and traitors launder
their money in real estate (because you don't get to be president without running lots of
errands for CIA.) It is a truism that the best oppo is slightly distorted tales of the
candidate's dirty work for CIA. That way party dupes foam at the mouth demonizing their enemy
figurehead and forget about CIA, who runs them all.
"As CIA director, John Brennan not only provided a real-guard defense of torture, but oversaw
U.S. military aid to Syrian jihadists allied with Al-Qaeda. If Donald Trump is a traitor to
his country, what does that make Brennan and his aiding and abetting of America's sworn
enemy? "
Alinsky/Clinton rule: Always accuse your opponent of what YOU are doing.
Why does no one believe the signals intelligence arms of USA allies, even if they say they
stumbled upon communications between the Trump campaign and Russia (as far back as 2015) and
became concerned enough to alert their US counterparts?
I respond to your question with an observation.. the intelligence arms of most of the
nations are interlocked globally. The so called Intelligence groups have done so many regime
changes, false flag operations, tv fake interviews, and contributed to so much false and
misleading and war attitude generating propaganda, that no one believes . If an intelligence
group were to say it was raining outside, those outsiders interested to know, would have to
go look for themselves.
As long as leaders of nations, elected, military, contractor, or bureaucrat operate in
secret, make people who work for them sign NDAs, criminalize truth speaking whistle blowers,
operate as super top secret projects, redirect public socially needed money to fund war
machines, use technology and access to spy on people, or threaten the lives or well being of
human beings who happened to live in a nation that is unfriendly, for no apparent or valid
public stated reason, no reasonable person will ever believe the signal intelligence arms of
USA or its allies.. Colin Powell comes to mind! Secrecy, intentional falsity, 24/7
surveillance, controlled, limited and gated access to knowledge or information, and silence
maintained when the facts should have been make known, has produced a "public enemy at large"
response.
if these agencies presented a hungry angry wolf in plain view, most people would wonder
"what is it" in disguise. One of the first rules in taking over a nation, is to prevent those
who lead from being heard. So not having reliable information constitutes a very dangerous
situation, but it is one that cannot be easily remedied until 9/11, Holocaust, and all kinds
of global events are completely and fully disclosed, and those responsible held
accountable.
It was a speech given to veterans before the election in which she nearly promised
military confrontation with Russia in response to supposed cyber attacks. Shown on YouTube,
ignored by MSM.
"Yet at the same time it's quite out of the question to discuss how Israel controls our
politics "
Yep. It is also third rail to discuss how Israel and Saudi Arabia often work in tandem to
influence U.S. foreign policy. Saudi Arabia has the mountain of cash; Israel has the Mossad.
Jeffrey Epstein is an example of this influence operation at work. As for John Brennan,
the walking conspiracy machine, he is the godfather of the U.S. intelligence (civilian) war
against outsider Trump.
"... C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing (USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org . ..."
Here it comes, the moment we've been waiting for, when Trump and Putin meet in Helsinki to
officially launch the Destruction of Democracy, and very possibly the Apocalypse itself. That's
right, folks, once again, it appears we're looking at the end of everything, because according
to the corporate media, on July 16, 2018, Trump is probably going to
disband NATO so that Putin can invade the Baltic states, then Germany, then the rest of
Europe, and then presumably order an all-out thermonuclear strike on the United States, which
will pretty much end civilization as we know it. Or perhaps the plan is to do away with NATO,
withdraw
all American troops from Poland , let Putin rape and pillage Western Europe, and then have
North Korea nuke both coasts of the US mainland (and Canada, of course) so that a
Putin-Nazified Middle Amerika will have carte blanche to exterminate the Mexicans and make
women wear those "Handmaid" costumes, or some other ridiculously paranoid scenario, possibly
involving Susan Sarandon as some kind of Putin-Nazi triple agent.
Tragically, the global neoliberal establishment is completely powerless to stop Trump and
Putin from carrying out this evil scheme (whatever it turns out to be in the end), because even
the US Intelligence Community has to obey the law, after all, and not do anything sneaky, or
unethical, not even with the fate of democracy at stake. No, unlike the Russians, who go around
blatantly
poisoning people with novichok oatmeal more or less whenever they like, the global
capitalist ruling classes' hands are tied by their own integrity. All they can do is watch in
horror as these two Hitlerian megalomaniacs destroy their entire global empire and establish a
thousand-year Putin-Nazi Reich.
Thank God at least the corporate media are raising their collective voices in protest. In
a recent piece in The Washington Post , Max Bergmann of the Center for American
Progress warns that "this is a summit about appeasement, and we should be terrified that Trump
is going to sell out America and its allies." According to Bergmann, Trump might "accidentally"
share state secrets with Putin, or promise to reduce support for
our freedom-loving Ukrainian Nazis , or stop trying to overthrow the Syrian government so
that Syria, with the help of Russia and Iran, can launch a sneak attack on Israel and drive
"the Jews" into the sea. Worse still, Bergmann speculates, he might make "secret agreements"
with Putin without telling the editors of The Washington Post , which God help us all if
that ever happened.
Not to be out-apocalypsed by The Post ,
Roger Cohen of
The New York Times
published a full-blown dystopian vision wherein Trump, Putin, Marine Le Pen, the AfD, and a
variety of other globalist-hating Hitler-alikes form "the Alliance of Authoritarian and
Reactionary States" (the "AARS"), disband the European Union and NATO, impose international
martial law, and start ethnically cleansing the West of immigrants. Matteo Salvini and Horst
Seehofer, decked out in full Putin-Nazi regalia, personally supervise the genocidal purges,
which frightened Europeans come to support after Putin's irresistible "fake news" bots
brainwash them into believing that a little Russian girl named "Tatiana" has been abducted by
Moroccan migrants off a beach along the Costa del Sol.
... ... ...
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in
Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing
(USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is
published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org .
But to not only ignore the February 2014 coup in Ukraine that initiated recent hostilities between the U.S. and Russia, but to
also put the blame on the latter's "aggressive behavior," is at best laughable and at worst dishonest. In February of 2014 the democratically
elected government of Ukraine was overthrown in a coup orchestrated by the United States government, an event Chait and his peers
do their best to forget
. Russia's subsequent annexation of the Crimean Peninsula (containing the Russian naval base at Sevastopol) was a wholly reactive
measure. To say the recent estrangement was triggered by anything else than western aggressive behavior is factually inaccurate.
But to not only ignore the February 2014 coup in Ukraine that initiated recent hostilities between the U.S. and Russia,
but to also put the blame on the latter's "aggressive behavior," is at best laughable and at worst dishonest.
You lost me at that point. There was no coup in 2014. That's simply a Putinist lie. Yanukovich ran when he was going to be
brought to book for the murders he ordered on the Maidan. He was interviewed last year and was completely evasive when it came
to questions about the killings he ordered. He's now a fugitive from justice and was righteously removed from office when he ran
for asylum in Russia.
It's long past time for idiots like yourself to get the facts and quit parroting Putin's lies.
I left the Democratic Party yesterday, because I cannot support the first American President who ever installed anywhere in
the world a nazi regime -- it has never happened before, not even under a Republican President; and, until Obama, I had always
assumed that if it ever would happen, it could come only under a Republican President, never under any Democratic one. But I was
wrong -- mortifyingly wrong -- because Barack Obama did this in Ukraine (see here and here for the evidence); he is the first-ever
U.S. President to install a nazi regime anywhere, and so I wrote to my Representative seeking Obama's impeachment by the Democrats
in Congress; and, yesterday, that person, a Democratic member of the U.S. House of Representatives, told me that, notwithstanding
Barack Obama's having unquestionably done this, this Democratic Representative will not introduce on the floor of the U.S. House
(which is the only place where a bill of impeachment can be introduced) a bill of impeachment against this -- what is the appropriate
term for such a person, if not a -- nazi U.S. President. (That's nazi as an ideology, racist fascist, not as a party designation,
which is merely a party's name.) Simply because Obama calls himself a 'Democrat,' that Representative in the House will not introduce
a bill to impeach him. There was no argument on the facts; the facts weren't at issue here at all; it's just that Obama calls
himself a 'Democrat.' That's all ..
Ukraine's Pres. Poroshenko Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was a Coup
.. The Italian newspaper Il Giornale, and Italian Mediaset Matrix TV, Chanel 5, issued, on November 15th, confessions by a
few of the snipers who on 20 February 2014 fired down into the crowd of "Maidan" demonstrators and police, in order "to sow chaos,"
as they say that they had been instructed to do.
The Georgian mercenary Alexander Revazishvilli said: "Everyone started shooting two or three shots at a time. It went on for
fifteen, twenty minutes. We had no choice. We were ordered to shoot both on the police and the demonstrators, without any difference."
This account is entirely consistent with the leaked phone-conversation on 26 February 2014 in which Urmas Paet, the investigator
whom the EU had assigned to determine whom to blame for the snipers and their massive bloodshed during the overthrow, informed
the EU's Foreign Affairs chief, Catherine Ashton, that the anti-Yanukovych, pro-U.S. and pro-EU side, were to blame, and that
Paet had just been informed of this by Petro Poroshenko (who shortly thereafter became elected as Ukraine's figurehead President).
Paet said: ..
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the clergyman who defied the German Nazi regime and got executed for his
resistance, once observed that "war is not the opposite of peace, 'security' is the opposite
of peace." I might also add it is the opposite of freedom and civilization as well, because
both require trust.
Trump bluster stars to look pretty unnerving. He really so not care or just can't calculate the reaction to his
moves even a couple of moves forward. And that might be a joint Russia-China space forces. From comments: "Fools
rush in where angels would fear to tread. And psychopaths see threats everywhere... "
Notable quotes:
"... I watched some of Ken Burns Vietnam documentary, and I was struck by how many times "Communist threat" was mentioned. It should be realized that "threat" and "security" are the first go-to bullshit terms out of the propaganda files. There is no threat, there are only "obstacles" in the way of domination. There are those who simply will never give up the attempt to dominate everything, including the moon, and the stars. ..."
The reality is that the United States does indeed have a major national security interest in
protecting its network of satellites in orbit as well as related infrastructure, but there is
still quite a lot in the Trump remarks that is disturbing. Trump is basically saying two
things. The first is that he will be weaponizing outer space and the second is that he is doing
so because he intends for the United States to become dominant in that domain. It is a complete
ass-backwards approach to the problem of potential development of threats coming from beyond
the atmosphere. Instead of arming outer space, Washington should be working with other
countries that have capabilities in that region to demilitarize exploration and both commercial
and government exploitation. Everyone has an interest in not allowing outer space to become the
next site for an arms race, though admittedly working with other countries does not appear to
be something that the Trump Administration enters into lightly. Or at all.
And Trump should also abandon his insistence that the United States develop "dominance" in
space. The use of such language is a red flag that will make any agreement with countries like
Russia and China impossible to achieve. It virtually guarantees that there will be a
competition among a number of nations to develop and deploy killer satellites employing lasers
and other advanced electronic jamming technologies to protect their own outer space
infrastructure.
Trump appears to have internalized a viewpoint that sees the United States as surrounded by
threats but able to emerge victorious by being hyper-aggressive on all fronts. It is a posture
that might unnerve opponents and bring some success in the short term but which ultimately will
create a genuine threat as the rest of the world lines up against Washington. That day might be
coming if one goes by the reaction to recent U.S. votes in the United Nations and Trump's
behavior at G-7 are anything to go by.
No one in his right mind would allow Trump to dominate outer space based on Washington's
track record of irresponsible leadership since 9/11. It has wrecked the Middle East, South Asia
and North Africa, killing possibly as many as 4 million Muslims in so doing. It has bullied
allies into joining its projects in places like Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria while also
disparaging foreign governments and entering into trade wars. It has bankrupted itself in all
but name, systematically dismantled the rights of its own citizens, and has become a rogue
nation by virtually every measure.
The U.S. Strategic Command includes a forward element in Colorado. Since some Army
officers want to play war in space, the Army formed a space battalion that grew that into the
1st Space Brigade in 2003. While the Army's 100th Missile Defense Brigade there makes sense,
the Space Brigade has a vague mission to provide "space support" to everyone, which is
already provided by the Air Force and other agencies. Any essential components can move into
the 100th Brigade structure.
I watched some of Ken Burns Vietnam documentary, and I was struck by how many times
"Communist threat" was mentioned. It should be realized that "threat" and "security" are the
first go-to bullshit terms out of the propaganda files. There is no threat, there are only
"obstacles" in the way of domination. There are those who simply will never give up the
attempt to dominate everything, including the moon, and the stars.
BTW, my Dad always thought I was going to be an astronaut – I took up space in
college.
Well, maybe NASA can finally get some funding for the interplanetary NERVA they have been
tinkering with for a long time. That would at least be of some conceivable use.
The United
Launch Alliance , however, looks like a moaning white elephant of MIC glitterati. Maybe
it could be edged away from the trough.
"The creation of an independent Space Corps, with the corresponding institutional growth
and budget implications, does not address our nation's fiscal problems in a responsive
manner."
That's rich, shedding crocodile tears over another massive influx of tax monies to the
gluttonous Pentagon, while America's infrastructure goes to hell from lack of money.
That space is not to be weaponized, according to past treaties–which the USA
signed–matters not to the self-proclaimed rulers of the world and now, outer space.
You can see their psyop articles all over the MSM, spreading fear about Russia and China
building hyper-sonic missiles and killer satellites.
Reminds me of the late 1950′s and '60′s, when Americans were scare stiff about
bomber and missile gaps, that could only be cured with a massive chunk of tax money.
You can go to this link and see the huge number of bombers the US built, some only to be
dropped after spending billions on production.
We've got the third-world flooding into out country both from the southern border and at
major U.S. airports. And yet we spend billions to send troops to Norway & Poland to be
vigilant about "protecting" the integrity of the borders of those countries. And we base our
military in Syria and threaten war over foreign territories where we have no legal to even
be. Now we need a space command. As our country becomes a third-world flophouse and our
middle class is decaying at an exponential rate, we need a space command? For what? To
protect the hollowed-out and third-world America??
Trump is clearly a Zionist crypto-jew and he never could have made it to the presidency
without a kosher seal of approval anyway.
One reason the US MIC looks like such idiots all the time is because they clearly are not
the ones really calling the shots. So often, especially in the middle east, Trump or some
other Poobah will make some proclamation, and withing hours the military will be bombing or
invading in direct contravention.
What is happening is the all these people are merely figure heads with little authority.
Whenever the real powers bark their orders, the entire chain of command snaps into action. We
see it happen between nations when Nato makes some decision like bombing Libya, and all of
Nato steps in line. Or Russians sanctions. Or recently when most of Nato expelled Russian
diplomats for a blatant chem warfare false flag.
These orders are coming straight out of Jerusalem. Even the highest level puppets like
Trump, Macron, Merkel or May have no idea what the real agenda is, or what is coming next.
This is why these pronouncements often seem so idiotic. What to jewish supremecists care if
anyone of these political bufoons looks like an ass. It is the same reason they force macho
movie stars and music idols to be seen dressed as women.
So for some reason ZOG wants attention brought to the weaponization of space. Knowing from
Talpiot and wikileaks that they already have control over most US technology (Spectre), it
seems clear to me that the Zionists want to maintain and increase their control of space,
likely as part of some milestone on their path to building the third temple. Clearly Israel
does not have the resources to accomplish this task of dominating space on her own, so once
again the task falls on the #1 stooge, the JooSA. Trump is the perfect retard to announce the
planned "space force", they used Obama for idiotic announcements on things like global
warming.
Maybe the real goal is to prevent smaller nations from launching satellites without US
permission. Shooting down Iranian satellites would serve as an object lesson to other
countries that it is pointless to develop satellite launch capabilities (and long range
ballistic missiles) if Uncle Sam objects. Of course, this plan would completely contravene of
the 1967 Outer Space Treaty.
A real war in space would create so much orbital debris that it could cause a cascade of
destruction and threaten America's own assets up there. Unless they develop Star Trek style
phasers that completely vaporize their targets, space war will be pretty much impractical.
So the same decorated Junkers infesting the Pentagon who have been floundering around in
Afghanistan for 17 years now are salivating at the prospect of a public-funded boondoggle in
outer space.
I was going to comment, but anonymous266 already said pretty much everything I wanted to
say.
This country is turning into a overused toilet, meanwhile we have a political, economic and
cultural elite living in their own world happily insulated from the consequences of their
actions.
Trump forgot to say that USA needs to buy and use Russian rocket engines to lift them up at
all
( 'space forces' needs one general up there at leas t : )
Trump's Space Force is not for domestic consumption. It's intended to worry the Russians and
Chinese. It's possible Trump thinks he can win an arms race. If so he is a fool. More likely
he is puffing himself up prior to negotiations.
When our satellites start failing mysteriously and signs point to Chinese technology
doing it, we will all be glad that the President started this initiative. Better late than
never.
Is that anything like the "signs" that the evil Rooskies hacked the DNC's
state-of-the-fart computer systems? Yeah, can't wait until "the intelligence community"
issues some sort of consensus document saying that those mysterious, sinister Chinamen done
did in our satellites, and it's time to kick off another stupid war. Just can't wait. "Better
late than never," indeed.
Maybe this is Trump's stab at fiscal policy. It reminds me of when Krugman suggested faking
an alien invasion to stimulate the economy. If so, get ready for a false flag involving the
International Space Station and a retaliatory cruise missile strike aimed at some empty
craters on the moon.
No one in his right mind would allow Trump to dominate outer space based on Washington's
track record of irresponsible leadership since 9/11. It has wrecked the Middle East, South
Asia and North Africa, killing possibly as many as 4 million Muslims in so doing. It has
bullied allies into joining its projects in places like Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria while
also disparaging foreign governments and entering into trade wars. It has bankrupted itself
in all but name, systematically dismantled the rights of its own citizens, and has become a
rogue nation by virtually every measure.
Spot on. Trump's ravings about "dominating" space make me think the American
exceptionalist crowd will never accept a United States that shares power with other
strong nations like China and Russia. Will saner minds prevail and relegate the
exceptionalists to the cellar (or the gallows if it gets really crazy) or will they hold on
to power and decide a nuclear showdown is preferable to the United States joining the UK and
Russia as a post-empire nation?
The US elites have lost their collective mind a while ago. This is yet another manifestation
of their cluelessness, yet another step towards self-destruction. Unfortunately for us all,
they will bring the country down with them. As Mr. Giraldi aptly ended his piece, stay tuned.
This is why we can't have anything nice. Most Americans have less than $1000 to their name
and live paycheck to paycheck, health care sucks and is unaffordable. Veterans homeless and
suiciding themselves. Someones gotta pay for the MIC robbing America blind for 17 years now,
it won't be the rich. 21 trillion in the hole now, probably far more than that in
reality.
The MIC and foreign lobbies are out of control. These wars are not benefiting 90% of
Americans, but we will be the ones to pay for it. They'll be droning people here in America
before long. Count on it.
Congress May Declare the Forever War
A proposed law with bipartisan support would dramatically weaken the ability of legislators
to extricate the United States from perpetual armed conflict.
I'm curious. Is there nothing in this world that is not a problem? And a problem created
by Jews? And then a conspiracy by Jews to cover up their involvement.
I realize this is UNZ and a piece by Philip Giraldi, but it is about a perceived
ridiculousness of having a Space Force.
You were real quick on the trigger with this Jews thing.
So lemme get this straight. They control Hollywood AND the weather? Jesus. This is
serious.
and the National Infrastructure Recovery and REcontruction Plan???? preparing America for the
21th century global commerce, educating the young for the LABOR demands of the
future.???Rebuilding the INNercities? roads, bridges, airports, digital utilities, futuristic
public transportation systems, smart cities??? Reforming and revamping the VA+private
options?? merging the EDD/Labor dept?? Expanding the Pentagon nexus with SMALL businesses
mom&pop vendors, unions apprenticeship programs and the armed forces (VA retraining) US
military branches and and Charter tech/Vocational schools???
Yeah, can't wait until "the intelligence community" issues some sort of consensus
document saying that those mysterious, sinister Chinamen done did in our satellites, and
it's time to kick off another stupid war.
China is not exactly a soft target. This isn't Iraq we're talking about, and Iraq was
plenty bad enough.
A war with China would bring about the end of the US Imperium under any scenario.
Uncle sham [1]
the Russkies and chicoms are deploying deadly space weapons, we have to close this vast
missile gap in space pronto.
typical murkkan circular logic
They started weaponising the space, when the other side deploy counter measures, uncle use
that response to justify its provocation.
[1]
Trump is just the latest iteration of uncle sham.
murkkans still cant figure out potus is just a front manager for the deep state.
So lemme get this straight. They control Hollywood AND the weather? Jesus. This is
serious.
LOL!
As much as I see a Jew behind every rock even I find your comments funny and true.
However in Palestine 'they' are deliberately rerouting rivers to dry out the
Palestinians, so they are controlling an aspect of weather there, just sayin' .
A very stupid move by Trump, likely leading to the U.S.A. abrogating the treaty against
the militarisation of space.
The U.S.A. Air Force already has the mysterious XB-37, I would guess that Russia and China
have a better idea about its true intended role than anybody outside the U.S.A.F.
IIRC, XB is the designation for 'experimental bomber .'
I am not against much of what Trump was campaigning on, but he seems to have little
interest in it.
As for uniforms, Starship Troopers is a much classier example than Star Trek, Verhoeven
and his costume desgners seem to have a knack for prediction, look at the police outfits in
Robocop, they are real now.
The largely Third-Reich-based designs in Troopers were stylish, so my vote is for
that.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public
believes is false."
Hi Heros,
Revealing how the Zionist Casey freely used the term "our disinformation."
Given correct memory, I believe Casey was near having to sit for a Congressional
investigation that needed his testimony on unAmerican activities, the Reagan administration's
Iran-Contra transactions.
Just prior to the hearing, Casey was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer and
"departed."
Excellent point. Trump is a distraction. He is nastier, but as shallow as Reagan. Mr. Reagan
is the one who handed the two most vital organs of the US, the Pentagon and the State
Department, to the Zionists, and America has been sinking ever since!
The Space Force may well turn out to be Trump's long term legacy.
It is needed for a very good reason: shooting at and breaking into smaller, safer pieces
large objects that are about to fall dangerously to earth. Like satellites, space stations,
ICBMs, asteroids .
When pies in the sky start going somewhat stale, it is time to turn people's eyes to pies in
space.
Who cares about mundane things like roads, schools, airports, electricity and water
infrastructures? Much of this earthly stuff will become obsolete as America launches itself
into space.
The Chinese will of course gladly finance the enterprise by buying even more US
treasuries, and the Russians will gladly supply the rocket engines to help the US achieve
total dominance of space, the stars, the moon, the sun, angels if any actually dwell there,
and perhaps God himself. If you want to achieve big, think big! The thousand year Reich set
its goals much too low and mundane.
Whilst at it, why not also create an outer space command, a department for space security,
and launch projects to bring freedom and democracy to all the galaxies out there? We got to
tame them out there if we don't want them to attack us here, right? Just think of the new
recruitment posters that will have all of American teenagers lining up to enrol in these
departments. The whole of the US will get starry-eyed – or should it be
galactical-eyed?
Scientists and the best of brains will flood into the US from Mexico, India, Russia,
Africa to take part in the grand drive to create new realities. The economy will boom (as in
BOOM?); even if it doesn't, who cares about this miserable little planet – it is but a
dot in the galaxy.
Fools rush in where angels would fear to tread. And psychopaths see threats everywhere,
even in space.
Bombing for Votes: Public opinion shifts during the Iraq war and implications for future
conflicts
Despite the recent summit in Singapore, which mostly made for good television and little
substance, North Korea appears to be
quickly ignoring any promises -- whether implicit, explicit, or imagined -- made to
President Trump to dismantle its nuclear program. In Iran,
Trump's decision to withdraw from the six-party nuclear deal and the re-imposition of
sanctions has created a possibility that Iran will resume pursuing a nuclear weapon of its own.
The common thread between Iran and North Korea, of course, is the continued march of nuclear
proliferation and, with it, an elevated chance of the US initiating armed conflict as a means
to slow or stop such proliferation.
In this post, I'm not going to speculate how probable armed conflict with either Iran or
North Korea might be (although I might take a shot at it in a future post). Instead, I'm
interested in what the public reaction to such a conflict would be and how it would affect
support for Trump, especially in the run up to an election.
To estimate public reaction, it's useful to consider how the public mood shifted throughout
the course of the Iraq war. Even 15 years after it started, the Iraq war continues to be
divisive. As shown in the chart below
from Pew Research , when the Iraq invasion was first launched in March, 2003 a large
majority of the country supported it as the "right decision." By early 2005, however, that
support eroded and has remained relatively stable since then.
Similar to the start of the Iraq war, other research has shown a public "rally around the
flag" effect at the outset of military action. One study , for example,
looked at 41 US foreign policy crises and found the average effect was a boost of 1.4
percentage points to the president's approval rating. But, when the military action was large
enough to merit front-page coverage by the New York Times, that effect jumped by another 8
percentage points, representing a significant lift for any president.
Considering these examples, a president with a low approval rating might be tempted to
initiate an armed conflict in the run-up to an election as a way to shore up public support, at
least temporarily. Given Trump's lack of scruples about any action that might in some way
benefit him, such a scenario is within the realm of possibility for the 2018 midterm elections
or the 2020 presidential election.
Research on the influence of major events on presidential approval ratings, however, shows
that the public reaction to armed conflict cannot be taken for granted. A research paper
recently
published in Presidential Studies Quarterly looked at how approval ratings fluctuated over
the course of George W. Bush's presidency and analyzed the causes of those fluctuations. The
authors reasoned that Bush's presidency was ideal for studying presidential support because it
was so eventful -- the September 11 th terrorist attacks happened during his first
year in office, then Bush initiated large-scale invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the
Great Recession started toward the end of his presidency.
To examine factors that influenced Bush's public support, they modeled his approval rating
based on environmental variables (unemployment, inflation, consumer confidence, battle deaths),
major event variables (9/11 attacks, Iraq invasion, market crash), and ordinary event variables
(positive and negative news coverage of international and domestic events). The environmental
variables were weighted based on
Gallup's monthly Most Important Problem poll , which allows the model to consider the
importance of these variables' salience in the public mindset. (For those who are interested,
they used a Newey-West estimator to build the model to account for heteroscedasticity and
autocorrelation in the errors.)
After creating the model, they grouped the independent variables into three categories:
economic, war, and terror. These categories allowed the authors to examine the impact of each
on Bush's approval rating over the course of his presidency, shown in the chart below.
The results in the chart provide interesting insights that challenge some conventional
wisdom. Economic status is often considered one of the most important factors in presidential
approval but -- according to this study, at least -- for Bush, the economy was almost a
non-factor until the very end of his presidency when the Great Recession started. The 9/11
terrorist attacks, and Bush's response to them, including bombing Afghanistan, provided an
initially huge boost to his approval. But that jump faded almost entirely within a year. The
beginning of the Iraq war, by contrast, provided only a very small, short-term boost to Bush's
approval ratings, which quickly turned into a large negative that continued to weigh down his
ratings for the remainder of his term. By examining the model variables, it's clear that troop
casualty reports had a particularly significant negative impact within the war category.
Based on these results, the study's authors concluded that it is the salience of events that
matters as much or more than the events themselves. When 9/11 happened, people wanted security
and rewarded Bush for taking decisive action that made them feel safer. When the Iraq war
started, the effects of war weariness kicked in fairly quickly and people wanted fewer
causalities and peace. When the Great Recession began, people forgot about everything else and
looked to their own economic prospects.
With those lessons in mind, initiating an armed conflict with Iran or North Korea would be a
high-risk approach to boosting public support in the run-up to an election. Both countries have
powerful militaries and any conflict could quickly lead to high casualty numbers. While no
military action would be risk free, an engineered conflict with a target that could be attacked
with minimal threat to US troops, such as Syria or Yemen, could induce a short-term rallying
effect. As elections approach later this year and in 2020, keep your eyes on those and other
"soft" targets to see if the president tries to bomb his way to his desired outcome.
Joel , July 9, 2018 6:59 am
I'm expecting some sort of Reichstag fire event.
Daniel Becker , July 9, 2018 4:58 pm
All true, though I speculate a draft would change things. Which is why we have an "all
volunteer" military. Those that like the military and war learned well. Unfortunately, it makes
for a defense force that no longer reflects the population which I do not think is good.
'Senator McConnell' always conjures the image and mannerisms of Colonel Sanders (ala
Kentucky Fried Chicken). White planter suit, broad-brimmed hat, weak-chin goatee and
unconvincing sales pitch.
Then again, beardless Mitch looks more like Toby Turtle, and what
he delivers is rarely worth a bucket of greasy chicken.
ParadiseNow Giraldi always says
what needs to be said. Excellent article.
Speaking of the news that evaporates--"The story was covered in Israel and Europe but insofar as I could determine did not appear
in any detail in the U.S. mainstream media"--and of the stories that disappear an hour or so after they are posted...
I've never come across anyone in the US who had seen or heard of the story that popped up on my monitor one day while working
in a newsroom in Los Angeles, a headline piece by the BBC stating that the California legislature in Sacramento had just passed a
resolution apologizing to Mel Gibson for the treatment he was subjected to after his drunken comments were illegally relayed to the
press. The article also reported that legislation was passed increasing fines and jail penalties in California for anyone who illegally
gave or sold arrest information to the media.
The story had some serious bearing on our immediate market as numerous celebrities' private medical information etc were being
illegally gathered and sold to news outlets. I brought it to the attention of my (Jewish) chief editor who read the article, thanked
me for the heads up, then completely ignored it.
Shortly after the piece just evaporated from the BBC site, and to this day I can find no trace of it in their archives.
On the subject of Jews celebrating the death of others, I have seen photos of them gaily cooking 'Rachel Corrie pancakes' to celebrate
the death of the American student they brutally crushed to death with a tractor in occupied Palestine.
I have seen photos of them gaily cooking 'Rachel Corrie pancakes'
Here's my take as a (non-Jewish) American.
My sympathies are with the Palestinians with regards to trying somehow to estabilsh sustainable territorial boundaries. IMHO
Israel is clearly stealing land by building settlements in the West Bank. But given the ad-hoc nature of the current borders and
the intent of the various parties, , God/Allah knows how this can be reasonably adjudicated.
I am ambivalent with regards to the plight of those in Gaza, Egypt is certainly in a position to help. The southern border
is after all under their control.
Launching random missiles into southern Israel (assuming that's an actual thing rather than propaganda on the Israeli's part)
seems silly and unlikely to improve the situation.
Both parties seem to regard the other as filth, undeserving of human compassion. How we move forward from here is beyond my
ability to guess.
Arab neighbors seem to view refugees as pawns to be kept in squalor for their own political aims.
It seems like (and this is my own reading from afar) Hamas uses the "right of return" as an issue to turn gullible Palestinian
youth into canon fodder. It's been 75 years and Israel is stronger than ever. Time to wake up and smell the coffee
There is so damn much much fault on both sides .
Now, having said all that – Rachael Corrie pancakes? She was an idiot and I have not the slightest sympathy for her. I wish
I'd thought the joke up .
" Launching random missiles into southern Israel (assuming that's an actual thing rather than propaganda on the Israeli's part)
seems silly and unlikely to improve the situation. "
What do you suggest the inmates of the Gaza concentration camp can do to get attention to their plight ?
The only way seems to be to provoke Israel into some retaliatory action.
Netanyahu is as stupid as Hitler, who let himself be provoked by Poland.
And indeed, both sides see the other as dirt.
Jabotinski in 1923 saw it well 'just force will make Palestinians give up their lands'. But he did not foresee that they never
really would give up.
What he also did not foresee that the ethnic cleansing would cause a growth of the number of Palestinians. As far as I can
see Israel has no long time strategy for dealing with the Palestinian problem.
Trying to convince the great majority of the world's countries in the UN Assembly that they're all wrong, and Israel right,
lunacy.
"... Trump and his fellow neocons want NATO to serve as a sort of US foreign legion in Third World wars in Africa and Asia. NATO was formed as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to defend western Europe, not to fight in Afghanistan and who knows where else? ..."
"... In Europe, it's hard to find many people who still consider Russia a serious threat except for some tipsy Danes, right wing Swedes, and assorted Russophobic East Europeans. The main fear of Russia seems concentrated in the minds of American neoconservatives, media, and rural Trump supporters, all victims of the bizarre anti-Russian hysteria that has gripped the US. ..."
"... Equally important, most civilians don't understand that neither US and NATO forces nor Russia's military are in any shape to fight war that lasts more than a few days. Both sides lack munitions, spare parts, lubricants, and battlefield equipment. The overworked US Air Force, busy plastering Muslim nations, has actually run low on bombs. US industry can't seems to keep up supplies. There has even been talk of buying explosives from China! ..."
"... At this point NATO is the muscle for projecting and maintaining Western (read US) hegemony. It's activities are a threat to sovereign nations that refuse to be Washington's vassals. So they react with self-defensive postures and programs that NATO can claim are "aggression" in order to justify its own existence. ..."
`We are the schmucks' thundered President Donald Trump, using a favorite New York City
Yiddish term for penis. The object of Trump's wrath at his Make America Great Again' rally in
Great Falls, Montana was the craven, stingy European members of NATO, only 16 of 22 members are
on budget for their US-commanded military spending. Trump wants them to spend much more.
Trump and his fellow neocons want NATO to serve as a sort of US foreign legion in Third
World wars in Africa and Asia. NATO was formed as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to
defend western Europe, not to fight in Afghanistan and who knows where else?
Equally bad, according to Trump, is that the US runs a whopping trade deficit with the
European Union which is busy shipping high-end cars and fine wines to the US. The wicked
foreigners don't buy enough Amerian bourbon, corn and terribly abused pigs.
Trump is quite right that America's NATO allies, particularly Germany and Canada, don't
spend enough on defense. Germany is reported to have less than twenty operational tanks.
Canada's armed forces appear to be smaller than the New York City police department.
But the Europeans ask, 'defense against whom?' The Soviet Union was a huge threat back in
the Cold War when the mighty Red Army had 55,000 tanks pointed West. Today, Russia's land and
navel power has evaporated. Russia has perhaps 5,500 main battle tanks in active service and a
similar number in storage, a far cry from its armored juggernaut of the Cold War.
More important, Russia's military budget for 2018 was only $61 billion, actually down 17%
from last year. That's 4.3% of GDP. Russia is facing hard economic times. Russia has slipped to
third place in military spending after the US, China and Saudi Arabia. The US and its wealthy
allies account for two thirds of world military spending. In fact, the US total military budget
(including for nuclear weapons and foreign wars) is about $1 trillion, 50% of total US
government discretionary spending.
In addition, Russia must defend a vast territory from the Baltic to the Pacific. The US is
fortunate in having Mexico and Canada as neighbors. Russia has North Korea, China, India, the
Mideast and NATO to watch. As with its naval forces, Russia's armies are too far apart to lend
one another mutual support. Two vulnerable rail lines are Russia's main land link between
European Russia and its Pacific Far East.
Trump's supplemental military budget boost this year of $54 billion is almost as large as
Russia's entire 2018 military budget. As for Trump's claim that Europe is not paying its fair
share of NATO expenses, note that that Britain and France combined together spend more on their
military forces than Russia.
ORDER IT NOW
In Europe, it's hard to find many people who still consider Russia a serious threat except
for some tipsy Danes, right wing Swedes, and assorted Russophobic East Europeans. The main fear
of Russia seems concentrated in the minds of American neoconservatives, media, and rural Trump
supporters, all victims of the bizarre anti-Russian hysteria that has gripped the US.
Equally important, most civilians don't understand that neither US and NATO forces nor
Russia's military are in any shape to fight war that lasts more than a few days. Both sides
lack munitions, spare parts, lubricants, and battlefield equipment. The overworked US Air
Force, busy plastering Muslim nations, has actually run low on bombs. US industry can't seems
to keep up supplies. There has even been talk of buying explosives from China!
These essentials of war have been seriously neglected in favor of buying fancy weapons. But
such weapons need spares, electronics, fuel depots, missiles and thousands of essential parts.
As former US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld observed, 'you go to war with what you have.'
Neither side has enough. A war would likely peter out in days after supplies were exhausted.
Besides, no side can afford to replace $100 million jet fighters or $5 million apiece tanks
after a war, however brief.
President Trump has learned about war from Fox TV. Europeans have learned from real
experience and don't want any more.
The last time the US put troops into action in North Korea, China lashed out and drove us
back South. In retaliation we dropped more tonnage of bombs and napalm on the North than was
used in the entire Pacific War.
In fact, the US total military budget (including for nuclear weapons and foreign wars)
is about $1 trillion, 50% of total US government discretionary spending.
Disband NATO already. The USSR is gone and Russia has no revanchist plans. Our military
spending on the defense of Europe only frees their budgets for social programs like medical
care and college education.
And what have we gotten for spending the nation's wealth on blowing up the Greater Middle
East, killing a million plus civilians and displacing millions more? Rusting cities,
crumbling infrastructure, a school system that can't compete with even that of India American
Exceptionalism indeed. Exceptionally deluded.
At this point NATO is the muscle for projecting and maintaining Western (read US)
hegemony.
It's activities are a threat to sovereign nations that refuse to be Washington's vassals. So
they react with self-defensive postures and programs that NATO can claim are "aggression" in
order to justify its own existence.
The author of Unconditional Hatred was Captain Russell Grenfell, a British naval
officer who had served with distinction in the First World War, and later helped direct the
Royal Navy Staff College, while publishing six highly-regarded books on naval strategy and
serving as the Naval Correspondent of the Daily Telegraph . Grenfell recognized that
great quantities of extreme propaganda almost inevitably accompany any major war, but with
several years having passed since the close of hostilities, he was growing concerned that
unless an antidote were soon widely applied, the lingering poison of such wartime exaggerations
might threaten the future peace of Europe.
His considerable historical erudition and his reserved academic tone shine through in this
fascinating volume, which focuses primarily upon the events of the two world wars, but often
contains digressions into the Napoleonic conflicts or even earlier ones. One of the intriguing
aspects of his discussion is that much of the anti-German propaganda he seeks to debunk would
today be considered so absurd and ridiculous it has been almost entirely forgotten, while much
of the extremely hostile picture we currently have of Hitler's Germany receives almost no
mention whatsoever, possibly because it had not yet been established or was then still
considered too outlandish for anyone to take seriously. Among other matters, he reports with
considerable disapproval that leading British newspapers had carried headlined articles about
the horrific tortures that were being inflicted upon German prisoners at war crimes trials in
order to coerce all sorts of dubious confessions out of them.
Some of Grenfell's casual claims do raise doubts about various aspects of our conventional
picture of German occupation policies. He notes numerous stories in the British press of former
French "slave-laborers" who later organized friendly post-war reunions with their erstwhile
German employers. He also states that in 1940 those same British papers had reported the
absolutely exemplary behavior of German soldiers toward French civilians, though after
terroristic attacks by Communist underground forces provoked reprisals, relations often grew
much worse.
Most importantly, he points out that the huge Allied strategic bombing campaign against
French cities and industry had killed huge numbers of civilians, probably far more than had
ever died at German hands, and thereby provoked a great deal of hatred as an inevitable
consequence. At Normandy he and other British officers had been warned to remain very cautious
among any French civilians they encountered for fear they might be subject to deadly
attacks.
Although Grenfell's content and tone strike me as exceptionally even-handed and objective,
others surely viewed his text in a very different light. The Devin-Adair jacket-flap notes that
no British publisher was willing to accept the manuscript, and when the book appeared no major
American reviewer recognized its existence. Even more ominously, Grenfell is described as
having been hard at work on a sequel when he suddenly died in 1954 of unknown causes, and
his
lengthy obituary in the London Times gives his age as 62. With the copyright
having long lapsed, I am pleased to include this important volume in my collection of HTML
Books so that those interested can easily read it and decide for themselves.
... ... ...
Assuming these numbers are even remotely correct, the implications are quite remarkable. The
toll of the human catastrophe experienced in post-war Germany would certainly rank among the
greatest in modern peacetime history, far exceeding the deaths that occurred during the
Ukrainian Famine of the early 1930s and possibly even approaching the wholly unintentional
losses during Mao's Great Leap Forward of 1959-61. Furthermore, the post-war German losses
would vastly outrank either of these other unfortunate events in percentage terms and this
would remain true even if the Bacque's estimates are considerably reduced. Yet I doubt if even
a small fraction of one percent of Americans are today aware of this enormous human calamity.
Presumably memories are much stronger in Germany itself, but given the growing legal crackdown
on discordant views in that unfortunate country, I suspect that anyone who discusses the topic
too energetically risks immediate imprisonment.
To a considerable extent, this historical ignorance has been heavily fostered by our
governments, often using underhanded or even nefarious means. Just like in the old decaying
USSR, much of the current political legitimacy of today's American government and its various
European vassal-states is founded upon a particular narrative history of World War II, and
challenging that narrative might produce dire political consequences. Bacque credibly relates
some of the apparent efforts to dissuade any major newspaper or magazine from running articles
discussing the startling findings of his first book, thereby imposing a "blackout" aimed at
absolutely minimizing any media coverage. Such measures seem to have been quite effective,
since until eight or nine years ago, I'm not sure I had ever heard a word of these shocking
ideas, and I have certainly never seen them seriously discussed in any of the numerous
newspapers or magazines that I have carefully read over the last three decades.
Even illegal means were employed to hinder the efforts of this solitary, determined scholar.
At times, Bacque's phone-lines were tapped, his mail intercepted, and his research materials
surreptitiously copied, while his access to some official archives was blocked. Some of the
elderly eyewitnesses who personally corroborated his analysis received threatening notes and
had their property vandalized.
"More than 1/2 of Jewish success is due to corrupt and criminal means."
Utter nonsense.
Jews own the Federal Reserve Bank and can hit some keys on their computer and create a few
trillion Federal Reserve notes just like *that* .
They've been injecting hundreds of billion$ into Jewish dominated Wall Street for decades
if not longer. Especially since the 2008 mass-looting of the American tax-slave. The big
banks like Goldman Sachs and Chase are all dominated by Jews, just like the Treasury. The
cash flows to other well connected Jews and gentiles, but Jews are MASSSIVELY
over-represented as the recipients of the swindled lucre.
It was rabbi Dov Zakheim who was the comptroller of the Pentagon when over two trillion
went missing. Do you suppose that cash ended up in the coffers of Presbyterian churches or
injected into the economy of Appalachia?
When some yeshiva decides they need a few tens of thousands or more for 'security'.
especially following 911, where 'lucky' Larry Silverstein collected his billions, they go to
the Treasury.
Madoff, Scott Rothstein. others.. are just the tip of the iceberg.
But the big one is the Federal Reserve Bank where they and they alone have their own
counterfeiting machine, and one thing you can say about Jews, is that they look after their
own.
There are very many hard working and intelligent Jews who earn their money, and they
deserve our admiration. But there is also a lot of graft and fraud and downright treason to
the success of many of them. The scum at Goldman Sachs and guys like Jon Corzine high on the
list.
"The scum at Goldman Sachs and guys like Jon Corzine high on the list."
I would not argue over your point that Jon Corzine is scum, but I would argue with your
insinuation that he is Jewish (otherwise why mention him in a paragraph dealing with Jews).
He's not. He's Protestant.
Later "eqality of means" was replaced by "equality of opportunity". Still huge discrepancy in
wealth typical for neoliberalism is socially destructive. And election of Trump was partially a
reaction on neoliberalism dominance for the last 40 ears.
"... The Founders rejected egalitarianism. They understood that no one is, literally,
"created equal" to anyone else. Certainly, each and every person is created with no less or no
more dignity, measured by his or her own unique potential before God. But this is not what most
contemporary writers mean today when they talk of "equality." ..."
"... by our own maximum possibilities and potential ..."
Notable quotes:
"... The Founders rejected egalitarianism. They understood that no one is, literally, "created equal" to anyone else. Certainly, each and every person is created with no less or no more dignity, measured by his or her own unique potential before God. But this is not what most contemporary writers mean today when they talk of "equality." ..."
"... by our own maximum possibilities and potential ..."
For many Americans the Declaration of Independence is a fundamental text that tells the
world who we are as a people. It is a distillation of American belief and purpose. Pundits and
commentators, left and right, never cease reminding us that America is a new nation, "conceived
in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."
Almost as important as a symbol of American belief is Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.
It is not incorrect to see a link between these two documents, as Lincoln intentionally placed
his short peroration in the context of a particular reading of the Declaration.
Lincoln bases his concept of the creation of the American nation in philosophical
principles he sees enunciated in 1776, and in particular on an emphasis on the idea of
"equality." The problem is that this interpretation, which forms the philosophical base of both
the dominant "movement conservatism" today -- neoconservatism -- and the neo-Marxist
multicultural Left, is basically false.
... ... ...
Although those authors employed the phrase "all men are created equal," and certainly that
is why Lincoln made direct reference to it, a careful analysis of the Declaration does not
confirm the sense that Lincoln invests in those few words. Contextually, the authors at
Philadelphia were asserting their historic -- and equal -- rights as Englishmen before the
Crown, which had, they believed, been violated and usurped by the British government, and it
was to parliament that the Declaration was primarily directed.
The Founders rejected egalitarianism. They understood that no one is, literally,
"created equal" to anyone else. Certainly, each and every person is created with no less or no
more dignity, measured by his or her own unique potential before God. But this is not what most
contemporary writers mean today when they talk of "equality."
Rather, from a traditionally-Christian viewpoint, each of us is born into this world with
different levels of intelligence, in different areas of expertise; physically, some are
stronger or heavier, others are slight and smaller; some learn foreign languages and write
beautiful prose; others become fantastic athletes or scientists. Social customs and traditions,
property holding, and individual initiative -- each of these factors further discriminate as we
continue in life.
None of this means that we are any less or more valued in the judgment of God, Who judges us
based on our own, very unique capabilities. God measures us by ourselves, by our own
maximum possibilities and potential , not by those of anyone else -- that is, whether we
use our own, individual talents to the very fullest (recall the Parable of the Talents in the
Gospel of St. Matthew).
"All men are created equal" is a simply a rhetorical argument against the "divine right of
kings" used to revive an ancient, fascist, Roman-style Republic style government,
where men of equal political stature are bound together as a band of brothers into a "fasces"
to form a militia, necessary to a free state like Rome once had in its beginning. No king, no
standing army.
Which is why there are fascist symbols throughout the US government, including in the US
Senate. Watch CSPAN if you don't believe me. See those fasces?
And do study what the Founders said more. Like the author of the term "all men are created
equal." He wrote in the same document:
" the merciless Indian Savages " -- Declaration of Independence
Does that sound like he thought whites and Indians were equal? Nope.
He also wrote:
"Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same
government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between
them." (Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography)
Does that sound like he thought blacks and whites were equal? Nope.
So stop spouting false Leftist propaganda about what the term "all men are created equal"
means. All it does is make you sound extremely uninformed.
Yes, there is still an America, living and breathing, somewhat piled-on by Fake
Americans at the moment. Don't give up on the Comeback Kid . You do not want to be as
bitter and wrong as the defeatist Never Trumper" Cuckservatives. The Fake Americans will
have to go back. Just like the Fake Europeans are already going back. Viktor Orban
called Italy's decision to turn away rescue ship a "great moment." And the pendulum is just
beginning to swing. The trend is your friend. Why don't you jump on the team and come on in
for the big win?
Thank you for mentioning Jaffa. I had to look him up. Only Wikipedia so far but I found
something of interest that you might like to comment on. Mention is made of Lincoln rejecting
the Douglas arguments for states's rights on the ground that (majoritarian) democracy should
not be allowed to enslave anyone. Is it possible to say that America's original sin of
slavery ensured that there was an insoluble problem left behind by the original constitution
makers plus the extension of the franchise to all adult white males?
"..a careful analysis of the Declaration does not confirm the sense that Lincoln invests in
those few words. Contextually, the authors at Philadelphia were asserting their historic --
and equal -- rights as Englishmen before the Crown, which had, they believed, been violated
and usurped by the British government,.."
Thank you Mr Cathey. As a non American, I was always puzzled by the obvious falsehood of
the statement "all men created equal" -- particularly in a nation that still legalized
slavery -- and how it could still be repeated ad nauseaum. Interesting, how one victorious
man and one victorious teaching can have such profound consequences for the way people live
and think generations later.
'All men are created equal' is almost the opposite of that other common mistake, 'no pity
for the weak'. Yet both lead to oppressive regimes. A true anthropology will lead to
different healthy political systems. A twisted one, always to repressive institutions.
"All men are created equal" is a simply a rhetorical argument against the "divine right
of kings" used to revive an ancient, fascist, Roman-style Republic style government, where
men of equal political stature are bound together as a band of brothers into a "fasces" to
form a militia, necessary to a free state like Rome once had in its beginning. No king, no
standing army.
My take is a little different, but not incompatible with yours.
The Declaration's assertion is "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by
their Creator with certain unalienable Rights "
So, to begin with, this is not a claim that all men are created equal in ability or
character. The Founders recognized that they were not, and that ordinary social and economic
inequalities, due to innate differences in ability or character, were natural, normal, and
inevitable. The Declaration is first and foremost a legal document. It claims equality of
rights – a legal claim, not a sociological, anthropological, or
psychological one. Moreover, the rights are unalienable – that is, they cannot
be alienated – sold, bartered, or given away – because someone entitled to them
shall have moved from old England to the New World.
The grievance of the colonists was that taxes – the stamp tax, the tea tax, etc.
– had been imposed upon them by the parliament at Westminster, an assembly in which
they were not represented. Hence the slogan, "no taxation without representation." It was a
principle based in the main non-religious issue of the English civil war (1642-1649). Charles
I had attempted to levy "ship money" by royal prerogative, without the consent of Parliament.
Unlike previous levies, which had been confined to coastal towns and were raised only in time
of war, he did so in peacetime and extended the tax to inland areas. This provoked strong
resistance; some local officials refused assistance to collection of the tax. The Petition of
Right, written by Sir Edward Coke, complained:
Your subjects have inherited this freedom, that they should not be compelled to
contribute to any tax, tallage, aid, or other like charge not set by common consent, in
parliament.
Extra-parliamentary taxation was effectively ended by the Long Parliament of 1640. After
the "Glorious Revolution" of 1689, it was formally prohibited by the English Bill of
Rights.
All of this history was much more familiar to the Founders in 1776 than it is to Americans
today. The point of the claim that "all men are created equal" was simply to argue that
Englishmen, under English law, were equally entitled to representation in any assembly that
levied taxes on them, whether they were resident in England or in its colonies.
The argument for levying taxes on the colonies was that they were needed to pay for the
defense of the colonies during what we call the French and Indian War, which was in fact just
the North American theatre of what in Europe is known as the Seven Years' War. That they may
have been needed for this purpose was not in dispute. Englishmen in England were taxed to pay
for the Seven Years' War, but they were represented in the Parliament that levied the tax.
Americans were not. From their point of view the taxes levied on them were as objectionable
as ship money had been to the people of England in the time of Charles I.
The Declaration is therefore a sort of American version of the Petition of Right.
Jefferson was an admirer of Coke and undoubtedly saw the parallel. His high-flown language
about equality was meant to make the case against George III on behalf of English subjects in
North America in the same way that Coke's Petition of Right made the case against Charles I
on behalf of English subjects in England. The colonists' objection was that English subjects,
wheresoever domiciled within English jurisdiction, should have equal rights under English
law.
Jefferson never intended to proclaim the equality of negro slaves or "Indian savages" with
free whites. Jefferson's observations in his Notes on the State of Virginia make quite
clear that he did not believe them to be equals with whites in ability or character. The
Indians he regards as primitives, having some admirable and some frightful qualities, but
above all, as formidable enemies. He despairs of the intelligence of blacks; he faults black
slavery because it brings out lamentable tendencies of laziness and petty tyranny among
whites. These remarks are striking for their candor and have the ring of truth even
today.
I appreciate Mr. Cathey's work here. On Tuesday the 3rd, one of the many overemployed
sycophants in the executive ranks of the corporation which employs me deemed it necessary to
bulk-email all of us peons with the message of how vital diversity and inclusion are
to proper celebration of the 4th. Right -- because reserving mid-January through February for
the blacks, March for women or Hispanics (I forget which), and June for the tutti-fruttis
isn't nearly enough
"... On an optimistic (sort of) note: the US never deliberately attacks a country that has WMDs. The very fact that the US attacked Iraq and Syria shows that Deep State was 100% sure that those countries do not have WMDs. The US never attacked North Korea because it does have WMDs. ..."
"... An avalanche of mistakes leading to the nuclear war between the US and Russia or China is still possible. Then we all lose. Consolation prize: warmongering mega-thieves and the scum serving them in the media will be just as dead as everybody else. ..."
On an optimistic (sort of) note: the US never deliberately attacks a country that has
WMDs. The very fact that the US attacked Iraq and Syria shows that Deep State was 100% sure
that those countries do not have WMDs. The US never attacked North Korea because it does have
WMDs.
An avalanche of mistakes leading to the nuclear war between the US and Russia or China
is still possible. Then we all lose. Consolation prize: warmongering mega-thieves and the
scum serving them in the media will be just as dead as everybody else.
Newly popular Democratic politician hero and nominee for a seat in the U.S. Congress
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez used to have these words on her website:
A Peace Economy
"Since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States has entangled itself in war and
occupation throughout the Middle East and North Africa. As of 2018, we are currently
involved in military action in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, and
Somalia. According to the Constitution, the right to declare war belongs to the Legislative
body, not the President. Yet, most of these acts of aggression have never once been voted
on by Congress. Alex believes that we must end the forever war by bringing our troops home
and ending the air strikes and bombings that perpetuate the cycle of terrorism and
occupation throughout the world."
Now they're gone. Asked about it on Twitter, she replied:
"Hey! Looking into this. Nothing malicious! Site is supporter-run so things happen --
we'll get to the bottom of it."
It will be interesting to see if Ocasio-Cortez will/can maintain her position on Israeli
crimes. Public figures have a long history of backpedaling after getting the riot act read to
them from the hebrew masters.
If people want to use polls I suggest they use the gold standard WPOP fielded by the Unv
of Maryland instead of polls like Pew which are funded by the Pew Charitable Trust , which is
basically a 'Think Tank" that then presents its polls to congress trying to affect political
decisions on issues. People need to be wary of what is an 'opinion maker' instead of just an
opinion taker.
Here is a more detailed accurate picture ..bear in mind also that evans are only 10% of
the population and other factors like party affiliation affect their views. One also has to
wonder "IF" the evans as well as the other public were exposed to the real story on Israel
and not the slanted version of the US med how that would affect the numbers.
What Americans (especially Evangelicals) think about Israel and the Middle East
Evangicals, International Action, Israel, Middle East / North Africa, Views on
Countries/Regions December 4, 2015,
A new poll shows that in dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict overall, an
overwhelming 77% of Evangelical Republicans want the United States to lean toward
Israel as compared to 29% to Americans overall and 36% of non-Evangelical Republicans.
In contrast 66% of all Americans and 60% of Non-Evangelical Republicans want the United
States to lean toward neither side .
This pattern holds on other aspects of US policy toward the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
If the UN Security Council considers endorsing the establishment of a Palestinian state, only
26% of all Americans and 38% of non-Evangelical Republicans favor the US voting against it.
However six in ten Evangelical Republicans say that the US should vote against it, thus
vetoing the move.
Evangelical Republicans also differ in that they pay far more attention to a candidate's
position on Israel. When considering which candidate to vote for in Congress or for president
just 26% of all Americans and 33% of non-Evangelical Republicans say they consider the
candidates position on Israel a lot. Among Evangelical Republicans 64% say they consider it a
lot.
Views of Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also vary dramatically. Among the general
public just 32 percent have a favorable view of Netanyahu, as do 47 percent of
non-Evangelical Republicans. Favorable views rise to 66% among Evangelicals.
When asked, in an open-ended question, to name a national leader they most admire 22 percent
of Republican Evangelicals chose Netanyahu, far more than any other leader.
Among Non-Evangelical Republicans 9 percent named Netanyahu and 6 percent for the public as a
whole. Evangelical Republicans represent 23% of all Republicans and 10% of the general
population.
"There are of course partisan differences on Middle East policy in American public attitudes,
but what's most striking is that much of the differences between Republicans and the
national total disappears once one sets aside Evangelical Republicans, who constitute 10% of
all Americans " said Shibley Telhami, the poll's principal investigator. "The Israel
issue in American politics is seen to have become principally a Republican issue, but in
fact, our results show, it's principally the issue of Evangelical Republicans."
One possible explanation for Evangelical Republicans' attitudes is their religious views.
Sixty-six percent of Evangelical Republicans say that for the rapture or Second Coming to
occur it is essential for current-day Israel to include all the land they believe was
promised to Biblical Israel in the Old Testament, with 35% holding this view strongly.
The poll was sponsored by the Sadat Chair at the University of Maryland, and conducted in
cooperation with the University's Program for Public Consultation, and released at the
Brookings Institution. It was fielded by Nielsen Scarborough November 4-11, 2015, among a
nationally representative sample of online panelists of 875, plus an oversample of
Evangelicals/Born-Again Christians of 863. The margin of error is 3-4%.
Other Select Findings:
Overall, twice as many Americans say the Israeli government has too much influence (37%) than
say too little influence (18%), while a plurality (44%) say it's the right level. Among
Democrats, about half (49%) say Israel has too much influence, compared with 14% who say
Israel has too little influence, and 36% who say it's the right level; Among Republicans,
slightly more people say that Israel has too much influence (25%) than say it has too little
influence (22%) with a slight majority (52%) saying it's the right level. The percentage of
people who think that Israel has too little influence increases with age: 8% of 18-24 year
olds feel this way in contrast to 17% of 25-44 year olds, 20% of 45-64 year olds, and 22% of
those who are 65 years of age and older.
Given five options to explain the escalation of Israeli-Palestinian violence the largest
number–31%–attributes it to the absence of serious peace diplomacy, while 26%
blame continued Israeli occupation and settlement expansion in the West Bank, and the same
number blame Palestinian extremists. Only 6% each blame Israeli extremists and Palestinian
authority ineffectiveness
Concerns about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are driven more by considerations related to
human right and international law than US interests. Offered five options to explain their
concern, the largest number -- 47%– say human rights or international law, while 32%
say America's interest. Thirteen percent say cite religious beliefs, while 8% express concern
for Israel's interests .
Overall, 37% of Americans (and 49% of Democrats) recommend punitive measures against
Israel over its settlement policy (27% recommend economic sanctions, and 10% recommend taking
more serious action); 31% recommend that the U.S. limits its opposition to words, 27%
recommend that the U.S. do nothing.
American views of Muslims are strikingly partisan. While 67% of Democrats express favorable
views of Muslims, only 41% of Republicans do.
73% of Evangelicals say that world events will turn against Israel the closer we get to the
rapture or end and 78% say that the unfolding violence across the Middle East is a sign that
the end times are nearer.
"... that Israel provided "tactical" assistance to Jabhat al-Nusra, the Syrian affiliate of Al Qaeda, throughout the Syrian civil war. ..."
"... The fact that Halevy chose the Qatari government-funded Al Jazeera to make his revelation is even more noteworthy considering the fact that Qatar is also a major financial supporter of Jabhat al-Nusra in Syria. ..."
Israel: Our # 1 ally! Don't forget that! No matter how many American goyim they murder! No
matter how many billions they leech out of us while we can't even afford health care or
decent education for goyim chilluns! Number 1!
Israel supported Al Qaeda in Syria: Former Mossad Chief
Special Report. In an interview with the Qatar-based news network Al Jazeera, Efraim
Halevy, the former head of Mossad confirmed what many in the Middle East and around the world
already surmised: that Israel provided "tactical" assistance to Jabhat al-Nusra, the
Syrian affiliate of Al Qaeda, throughout the Syrian civil war.
The fact that Halevy chose the Qatari government-funded Al Jazeera to make his
revelation is even more noteworthy considering the fact that Qatar is also a major financial
supporter of Jabhat al-Nusra in Syria.
Reports from UN observers in the Golan Heights confirmed regular contact between Israel
Defense Force officers and armed Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State terrorists at the
Syrian-Israeli border.
... ... ...
Halevy said it was "humane" for Israel to provide medical assistance to wounded Syrian
terrorists but that such "humaneness" would never be extended to Shi'a Hezbollah fighters
from Lebanon who have been fighting against the Sunni jihadist terrorists in Syria. Israel's
"humaneness" was also shown for all the world to see in Gaza, where it murdered hundreds of
children, old men, and women in incessant bombing attacks on highly populated areas.
"Jewish IDF medics are treating and saving the lives of Syrian civilians "
Are you serious? There are documented instances of Israeli saving the lives of ISIS -- the
anti-civilian power unleashed by the US/Israel machinations in the Middle East. This has been
accepted even by the US brass.
http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/2016/12/heres-us-israel-al-qaeda-isis-work-together-syria/
Meanwhile, in Ukraine, on a border with Russia, the Kagans/Banderites putsch in Kiev have
produced the results that should be of interest for the 52 main Jewish organizations in the
US as well as for sanctimonious Israel that continues extracting reparations for the
WWII-related "special" Jewish sufferings: https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/07/ukraine-abducts-journalists-to-exchange-for-terrorists/
"On July 5th, Kiev announced that it is willing to expand the list of prisoners that Ukraine
is ready to exchange for Ukrainians being held in Russia. Among those intended for exchange
is the coordinator of the Volunteers of Victory movement, Elena Yurevich (Odnovol),
arrested for organizing a Victory Day celebration outlawed by Ukrainian authorities.
"
"TTG",
one of SST's trusted writers, posted this report that you didn't read in NYTimes or hear on C
Span: Carrots and Sticks in Syria - TTG 03 Jul 2018
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/07/carrots-and-sticks-in-syria-ttg.html
. . . possible diplomatic breakthrough in southwest Syria. The core of this breakthrough was
and remains an intense effort to speed peace negotiations between Damascus and various
opposing forces in Syria. It was key to the SAA's recent successes in reducing the eastern
Ghouta, Homs and even the Yarmouk refugee camp pockets. The same methodology has enabled the
rapid recent success in Daraa. This effort is spearheaded by the Russian Reconciliation
Center based at Khmeimim Air Base in Latakia. In addition to pushing peace deals, it
coordinates relief aid to newly reconciled areas.
This carrot of reconciliation would not be effective without the stout stick which the SAA
has become. We are all familiar with the formidable Tiger Force and the growing list of their
combat successes. That success is being reinforced and replicated throughout the SAA by the
Russians. Units are being reorganized and re-equipped along the Russian Army model without
destroying what the Syrians themselves built over years of painful combat experience. Units
raised independently of the SAA, including those trained and advised by the IRGC and Iranian
Green Berets, will be folded into the SAA. This is also happening with some former rebels who
have reconciled with Damascus. We could learn something from this experience given how we
screwed the pooch with the Iraqi and Afghani armies. . . .
there's more at SST
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/07/carrots-and-sticks-in-syria-ttg.html
Three days ago, Pat Lang passed along reports from Haaretz and Almasdar that "Israel
accepts Syrian control up to the UNDOF Line"
Osama Abo Zayd , Former Spokesman of the Free Syrian Army former Syrian opposition
chief negotiator at the Astana talks. Kevork Almassian , founder of SyrianaAnalysis and Syrian Analyst. Danny Makki , a freelance journalist and commentator on the Syria conflict,
specialising in Syria's relations with Russia and Iran. Yahya al-Aridi , Spokesman for the Syrian Negotiation Commission.
Heated Debate: Kevork Almassian vs. FSA & opposition representatives
Yes, you are correct about that. The Yugoslav attack was on March 24, 1999. It was three
weeks later than the last Purim – March 3 – Shushan Purim (walled city Purim
– Jerusalem). Erev Purim (Eve of Purim) March 1 and March 2 – Purim. It wasn't
exactly on the date of Purim as the middle east attacks in 1991 – Iraq, 2003 Iraq and
2011 Libya. But near enough to it for the Neocons.
Charles Krauthammer, a neocon who recently died, wanted civilians to be attacked in
Yugoslavia in the 1999 NATO attack and he got his wish. This is his lovely quote.
"Finally they are hitting targets – power plants, fuel depots, bridges, airports,
television transmitters – that may indeed kill the enemy and civilians nearby."
The'Balkan Action Committee' formed during the NATO 1999 attack on Yugoslavia consisted of
neocons who lobbied hard for war against Yugoslavia. Committee members included these neocons
– Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld – three men would later lobby
again for another war in Iraq.
"Joshua Ryne Goldberg, a 20-year old living at his parents' house in US state of Florida, is
accused of posing online as "Australi Witness," an IS supporter who publicly called for a
series of attacks against individuals and events in western countries.
An affidavit sworn at the time of the arrest says that, between August 19 and August 28,
Mr Goldberg "distributed information pertaining to the manufacturing of explosives,
destructive devices, or weapons of mass destruction in furtherance of an activity that
constitutes a Federal crime of violence".
US Attorney Lee Bentley III, said Goldberg instructed a confidential source how to make a
bomb similar to two used in the Boston Marathon bombings two years ago that killed three
people and injured more than 260 others.
"Goldberg further admitted that he believed the information would create a genuine bomb,"
Agent Berry alleged.
In the leadup to an exhibition in Garland, Texas, at which pictures of the Prophet
Mohammed were to be displayed, "Australi Witness" tweeted the event's address and reposted a
tweet urging people to go there with "weapons, bombs or with knifes".
Yes, Jews can be evil little sh*ts just like Muslims and indeed anyone can. It is the
trend that matters, as nothing is all or nothing, but I repeat myself!
Anyway, I've got a question for you KA, to see if you can be consistent and whether you
possess the supposedly stereotypical Middle Eastern shame mindset of all or nothing.
I'm a British anti-imperialist and I firmly believe that millions of British people should
not start moving to Arab and Muslims countries and colonise them.
As I am an anti-imperialist I also believe that millions of Arabs and Muslims should not
be allowed to move to Britain and furthermore that those who have already come here should go
home.
Do you agree with me? Are you a consistent anti-imperialist? Or are you just playing for
your team to win and conquer all?
Momus writes:
"Showproof of your masters degree in engineering please.
Of course it was a gravitational collapse. The footage shows the section above the
damaged, weakened, fire affected area coming down first in both.
What do you think happened?
Nanothermite toting Mossad suicide demolition gremlins entered the building after the planes
hit and set up?"
Consider your proposal of pancaking floors. Either the floors do not disintegrate to dust
and we find a pack of floors on top of each other in Ground Zero. This we know was not found.
Or the floors hitting each other disintegrate to dust. In that case the floors from up
disintegrate the floors from down, but the floors from down also disintegrate the floors from
up and the collapse stops inn the middle of the building as the floors above that drop on the
floors below have all disintegrated to dust. There is equal reaction to action, so it is
impossible that floors above break floors below and continue breaking them up to the ground
level. If the floors below disintegrate, then the floors above also disintegrate.
There are photos and videos of the collapse. Both may be false, but they are presented by
the official story as authentic, so let us assume they are authentic. In these photos heavy
material is pushed sideways and even up. It cannot happen in a gravitation collapse.
Gravitation pulls things down only. No fires damaged the lower floors, they should have
pancaked because of being hit by floors above, but as said, pancaking either gives a stack of
floors or all disintegrate to dust and the collapse stops. The former case did not happen, no
stack of floors was found.
There were high explosives and thermite, maybe as nanothermite. The building was wired for
demolition before the event. A Mossad team arrived to the place before the plane came, the
dancing Palestinians. Something hit the buildings, maybe planes, maybe drones with missiles.
Later the buildings were pulled in a bit unconventional way. Doors to the roof were blocked
for a better effect and more dead. A passport of a Muslim hijacker was conveniently found, so
the news knew immediately who did it. Osama bin Laden first denied having done the attack.
Then the USA went to destroy Iraq, which had irritated a country in the region. Something
like this happened.
I will not post any diplomas on a forum. Take my word on this: High School 1976, ave
9.7/10, conscript 1976-77, Started studies Fall 1977 in the University of Helsinki (UH math).
and in Helsinki Univ. Techn (HUT EE). Diplomas: BS Nov 1979 from UH, MS Dec 1979 from UH
grade: eximia, MS EE Feb 1981 HUT with honors, that is 2.5 years for two master degrees.
Phil.Lis,(=PhD 3.cycle) 1985 from UH, Doctor of Phil.(PhD) 1988 from UH, Docent
(=habilitation, adj.prof) HUT 1997, Docent NDU 2011. Professor for 13 years in three
universities in communication and military technology. 10 years of research/development
outside academia. 10 years prof. in the defence forces. This should be enough to equal any
ex-navy guy who got a degree in Philosophy and stopped before making a PhD and calls others
wackadoodles.
Wizard writes:
"Well, if the explanation for the second tower to be hit coming down first was amended to
note that there was the weight of many more floors above the point of impact would you still
use the word "idiotic"? How otherwise do you explain the timing? I presume you don't think
each plane hit at exactly the levels which some plotters had relied on????"
The timing of a controlled demolition is determined by the person pressing the button. It
does not need any technical explanation.
I discard the gravitational fall theory for a number of reasons. Here are three, but there
are more:
1) the extremely temperatures long time after 9/11. I remember well when these were told in
the news in my country, it was long before any 911Truthers proposed controlled demolition.
High temperatures long after the event are best explained by very high temperatures just
after the event, which suggests thermite, or something similar causing very high
temperatures, 3000 Celsius or so.
2) Throwing material sideways and up is impossible for gravitation. The videos and photos may
be falsified, but if so, they were falsified by the ones proposing the official explanation.
The collapse in the videos does not at all resemble a gravitational fall, which you can see
e.g. in icebergs.
3) The pancaking theory is false. I did read the paper by Bazant and a student. The equations
are fine, the values set to them are not fine. I agree with 911Truthers concerning Bazant's
article.
I do not indeed think the planes hit exactly on planned places, I also do not think the
planes caused the collapse. I also find your suggestion for timing very odd: if fires had
weakened the steel and that caused the collapse of one floor, then it is completely
irrelevant how many stores were above the level. The time would be determined by the time to
heat the steel to the point that is loses strength. The time would likely be different in
different towers, but mainly because isolation material would be differently thorn, the fuel
would be in different places and so on. The weight above the floor would not much matter
since before the collapse the structure can keep it up, and if the temperature rises enough
then it cannot. Fire can bring down a building, but the way it came down looks very
suspicious. It looks like a fountain throwing material up.
I would still use the word "idiotic" for any suggestion that the fall was by gravitation.
I would also use the same word for your elaboration of the suggestion by the timing
consideration, though in some other topics I acknowledge the reason and knowledge in your
comments. And I especially liked the news that one hijacker's passport landed on the ground
so nicely and that Mossad had a team videoing the event before the plane hit the tower. Both
things are so typical for a gravitational collapse but only in the USA.
Wizard wrote:
"I don't suppose there is any area of science or engineering where I can claim more to you
but I do know enough to prep an expert witness and I am not convinced you can justify your
denial that an extra 1000 tons or so on top of a weakened area would be unrelated to time
taken for collapse. Let me put it this way: if the steel structures which had to cease
supporting the building above had reached through heat a point where it had lost 75 per cent
of the original strength maybe 2 X tons of potential energy would be needed to cause collapse
whereas only X tons would be needed if, through further heating, 90 per cent had been
lost."
You might well convince the jury in a court room, but I do not think engineers would buy
this argument, because they would naturally agree with what you said but then they would
continue to estimate the time between these two events. If you get the steel bars to 400
Celsius, when it still has not lost any of its strength, it will not take long to get it to
650 Celsius when half of the strength has gone. Try heating lead, it is the easiest metal to
try at home. For a long time nothing happens, but when lead starts to soften it very soon
melts.
The trick is to get those steelbars to 425 Celsius when they start to soften. To get them
so hot you need a major fire in the building lasting for a long time, but once you already
have this major fire, the temperature of the steel easily rises close to 1000 Celsius, which
is the burning temperature of jet fuel and office fires. Why would it not rise, if it rose so
high?
That is, normally you do not get steelbars to 400 Celsius because heat escapes by
conduction and radiation , but if you got the conditions that put in heat in faster than
it gets out (it is hot everywhere, heat cannot escape), the temperature of the steel will
rise very fast. Think about the lead example. It takes a long time to get it to soften, since
the heat conducts to the whole piece. You have to rise the temperature of all your lead to
the softening point, but then it is all hot and heat cannot escape to cooler places, so it
fast gets hotter.
Or let me put it another way. 911Truthers say (I have not check, but nobody has denied)
that only 4 steel frame skyscrapers in all times have collapsed because of fire (3 in 9/11
and one in Brazil 2018) and many of these buildings burned long. It means that the steel
frame in the other buildings never softened, did not reach 500-700 Celsius, because heating
steel the heat escapes unless the beams are very thin. You get a heat gradient, but if you
put in less heat than can escape.
It is like pouring water to a bowl with a hole in the bottom. If you pour less than can go
out, it just does not fill. But if you pour faster, then the water level rises and it rises
quite fast. So, you need a major fire to get the steel to 425 Celsius when it starts to
soften, but if you get it there, you must be putting in more heat than can go out and
therefore the steel temperature will rise fast to the temperature of your fire. There should
not be much time between steel starting to soften and steel losing 50% of its strength.
There are measurements that the steel in WTC buildings did not get to high enough
temperatures to lose enough strength. But my main argument was that what determines how high
the steel temperature goes is how badly thorn is heat isolation and how big are the fires.
These things should have been different in the towers and they do not depend on how many
stores were above the plane (or something).
There are too many things wrong with the official 9/11 story. It cannot be defended
outside a kangaroo court.
"As this is the reason, there are twice as many Jews above some range, like 151, than
non-Jewish whites, which is what Terman found. "
Jew IQ is largely a myth established by marketing and media control, starting with the
Einstein brand. The myth is necessary to justify and conceal Jewish tribal nepotism as the
main factor establishing dominance of a hostile elite in host nations. The question has been
examined in numerous locations easily found with a search engine.
There are approximately six times as many white Americans with IQ above 140, as there are
Jews with IQ above 140. No, Jewish intelligence does not account for their dominance in
academia, media, and government. It must be Jew priviledge, not Jew IQ that justifies their
right to rule the goyim.
As a side note all "nation IQ" arguments are scientifically fake/ Izreal and South africa of the past share the same problem
and Izreal might eventually come to the same utcome.
Notable quotes:
"... The single greatest feat of Israel and its overseas missions has not been material success, or the military conquest of millions of unarmed Palestinians, it has been ideological – the widespread acceptance in the US of a doctrine that claims 'Jews are a superior people'. ..."
"... Israel's dominant role in formulating US Middle East policy is largely a product of its success at recruiting, socializing and motivating overseas Jews to act as an organized force to intervene in US politics and push Israel's agenda. ..."
"... What motivates American Jews, who have been raised and educated in the US to serve Israel? After all, these are individuals who have prospered, achieved high status and occupy the highest positions of prestige and responsibility. ..."
"... What turns comfortable, prosperous American Jews into vindictive bullies, willing and able to blackmail, threaten and punish any dissident voices among their Gentile and Jewish compatriots who have dared to criticize Israel? ..."
"... Thirdly, Supremacists compile a very selective list of virtuous Jews, while omitting areas of life and activity where Jews have disproportionately played a negative and destructive role. ..."
"... After all is it Jewish 'genius' that makes Israel a leading exporter of arms, high tech intrusive spy systems and sends military and paramilitary advisers and torturers to work with death squad regimes in Africa and Latin America? ..."
"... In other words, these Nobel recipients, who Supremacists cite as 'examples of Jewish Supremacy', have sown terror and injustice on countless captive peoples and nations – giving the Nobel Peace Prize a dubious distinction. ..."
"... Among the greatest billion dollar swindlers in recent US history, we d find a disproportionate percentage of American Jews – curiously not mentioned by the Supremacists in their usual litany: Bernard Madoff pillaged over $50 billion from his clients, Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken and Marc Rich are well-known names adding the distinction of 'Jewish genius' to a list of financial mega-felons. ..."
"... The biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression was largely due to the financial policies of Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan. The trillion-dollar bailout of Wall Street by Ben Shalom Bernacke and Stanley Fischer, while Janet Yellen ignored the plight of millions of Americans who lost their homes because of mortgage foreclosures. In sum, Jewish Supremacists should proudly take credit for the American Jews who have been disproportionately responsible for the largest economic and foreign policy failures of the contemporary period – including the horrific suffering these have entailed! ..."
"... Back in the more normal world of crime, Russian-Jewish mobsters dominate or share supremacy with the Italian Mafia in New York, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Miami and scores of cities in between. They display their unique genius at extortion and murder – knowing they can always find safe haven in the 'Promised Land'! ..."
"... Donations from financial billionaires, all 'geniuses', have financed the war crimes of the Israeli state and made possible the expansion of violent Jewish settlers throughout occupied Palestine – spreading misery and displacement for millions. ..."
The single greatest feat of Israel and its overseas missions has not been material
success, or the military conquest of millions of unarmed Palestinians, it has been ideological
– the widespread acceptance in the US of a doctrine that claims 'Jews are a superior
people'.
Apart from small extremist rightwing sects who exhibit visceral anti-Semitism and denigrate
everything Jewish, there are very few academics and politicians willing to question this
supremacist doctrine. On the contrary, there is an incurable tendency to advance oneself by
accepting and embellishing on it.
For example, in August 2015, US Vice-President Joseph Biden attributed 'special genius' to
Jews, slavish flattery that embarrassed even New York's liberal Jewish intellectuals.
Israel's dominant role in formulating US Middle East policy is largely a product of its
success at recruiting, socializing and motivating overseas Jews to act as an organized force to
intervene in US politics and push Israel's agenda.
What motivates American Jews, who have been raised and educated in the US to serve Israel?
After all, these are individuals who have prospered, achieved high status and occupy the
highest positions of prestige and responsibility. Why would they parrot the policies of Israel
and follow the dictates of Israeli leaders (a foreign regime), serving its violent colonial,
racist agenda?
What binds a majority of highly educated and privileged Jews to the most rabidly rightwing
Israeli regime in history – a relationship they actually celebrate?
What turns comfortable, prosperous American Jews into vindictive bullies, willing and able
to blackmail, threaten and punish any dissident voices among their Gentile and Jewish
compatriots who have dared to criticize Israel?
What prevents many intelligent, liberal and progressive Jews from openly questioning
Israel's agenda, and especially confronting the role of Zionist zealots who serve as Tel Aviv's
fifth column against the interest of the United States?
There are numerous historical and personal factors that can and should be taken into account
to understand this phenomenon.
In this essay I am going to focus on one – the ideology that 'Jews are a superior
people'. The notion that Jews, either through some genetic, biologic, cultural, historical,
familial and/or upbringing, have special qualities allowing them to achieve at a uniquely
higher level than the 'inferior' non-Jews.
We will proceed by sketching the main outline of the Jewish supremacist ideology and then
advance our critique.
We will conclude by evaluating the negative consequences of this ideology and propose a
democratic alternative.
Jewish Supremacism
Exponents of Jewish Supremacism (JS) frequently cite the prestigious awards, worldly
successes and high honors, which, they emphasize, have been disproportionately achieved by
Jews.
The argument goes: While Jews represent less than 0.2% of the world population, they have
produced 24% of the US Nobel prize winners; over 30% of Ivy League professors and students; and
the majority of major US film, stage and TV producers.
They cite the 'disproportionate number' of scientists, leading doctors, lawyers and
billionaires.
They cite past geniuses like, Einstein, Freud and Marx .
They point to the founders of the world's great monotheistic religions – Moses and
Abraham.
They lay claim to a unique learning tradition embedded in centuries of Talmudic
scholarship.
Jewish supremacists never miss a chance to cite the 'Jewish background' of any highly
accomplished contemporary public figures in the entertainment, publication, financial fields or
any other sectors of life in the US.
Disproportionately great accomplishments by a disproportionate minority has become the
mantra for heralding a self-styled 'meritocratic elite' . and for justifying its
disproportionate wealth, power and privileges – and influence
Challenging the Myths of Jewish Supremacists
There are serious problems regarding the claims of the Jewish Supremacists.
For centuries Jewish 'wisdom' was confined to textual exegesis of religious dogma –
texts full of superstition and social control, as well as blind intolerance, and which produced
neither reasoned arguments nor contributed to scientific and human advancement.
Jewish scholarship of note occurred among thinkers like Spinoza who revolted against the
Jewish ghetto gatekeepers and rejected Jewish dogma.
Notable scientists emerged in the context of working and studying with non-Jews in
non-Jewish institutions – the universities and centers of learning in the West. The
majority of world-renowned Jewish scholars integrated and contributed to predominantly
non-Jewish (Moslem and Christian) and secular institutions of higher learning.
Historically, highly talented individuals of Jewish origin succeeded by renouncing the
constraints of everyday Jewish life, rabbinical overseers and Jewish institutions. Most
contemporary prestigious scientists, including the frequently cited Nobel Prize winners, have
little or nothing to do with Judaism! And their contributions have everything to do with the
highly secular, integrated culture in which they prospered intellectually – despite
expressions of crude anti-Semitism in the larger society.
Secondly , Jewish Supremacists persist in claiming 'racial credit' for the achievements of
individuals who have publically renounced, denounced and distanced themselves from Judaism and
have dismissed any notion of Israel as their spiritual homeland. Their universal prestige has
prevented them from being labeled, apostate or 'self-hating'. Albert Einstein, often cited by
the Supremacists as the supreme example of 'Jewish genius', denounced Israel's war crimes and
showed disdain for any tribal identity. In their era, Marx and Trotsky, like the vast majority
of emancipated European Jews, given the chance, became engaged in universalistic organizations,
attacking the entire notion that Jews were a 'special people' chosen by divine authority (or by
the latter-day Zionists).
Thirdly, Supremacists compile a very selective list of virtuous Jews, while omitting areas
of life and activity where Jews have disproportionately played a negative and destructive
role.
After all is it Jewish 'genius' that makes Israel a leading exporter of arms, high tech
intrusive spy systems and sends military and paramilitary advisers and torturers to work with
death squad regimes in Africa and Latin America?
Among the winners of the Nobel Peace Prize are three Israeli Prime Ministers who waged wars
of ethnic cleansing against millions of Palestinians and expanded racist 'Jews only'
settlements throughout the occupied Palestinian territories. These include Menachem Begin
(notorious career bomber and terrorist), Yitzhak Rabin (a militarist who was assassinated by an
even more racist Jewish terrorist) and Shimon Peres. Among Jewish American Nobel 'Peaceniks' is
Henry Kissinger who oversaw the brutal and illegal US war in Indo-China causing 4 million
Vietnamese deaths;who wrote the 'template for regime change' by overthrowing the democratically
elected government of Chilean President Allende and condemned Chile to decades of police state
terror; and who supported Indonesia's destruction of East Timor!
In other words, these Nobel recipients, who Supremacists cite as 'examples of Jewish
Supremacy', have sown terror and injustice on countless captive peoples and nations –
giving the Nobel Peace Prize a dubious distinction.
Among the greatest billion dollar swindlers in recent US history, we d find a
disproportionate percentage of American Jews – curiously not mentioned by the
Supremacists in their usual litany: Bernard Madoff pillaged over $50 billion from his clients,
Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken and Marc Rich are well-known names adding the distinction of
'Jewish genius' to a list of financial mega-felons.
Among the less respectable notables whose material successes have been tarnished by personal
weaknesses – we have the billionaire and pedophile pimp, Jeffry Epstein; IMF President,
rapist and debaucher Dominic Strauss Kahn, entrepreneur and 'nudist' Dov Charney, New York
Governor and 'repeat customer' Elliot Spitzer, Congressman and exhibitionist Anthony Weiner and
the fun-loving sports impresario who brought down FIFA, the piratical Chuck Blazer. Curiously,
none of these extraordinarily successful notables have been cited as examples of Jewish
Supremacy.
As we contemplate the millions of war refugees driven from the Near East and North Africa,
we should credit the role of US neo-liberal and neo-conservative ideologues and policymakers
–a disproportionate percentage of whom are Jews. Millions of Chilean workers suffered as
Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys 'advised' Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet on dismantling
the welfare state (even if it required the murder of trade unionists!). Ayn Rand (Alyssa
Rosenbaum) and her fanatical free market epigones have savaged all progressive social
legislation and turned the most retrograde forms of selfishness into a religion of
'superiority'!
The disastrous US war against Iraq was largely organized, promoted and justified by a
disproportionate percentage of US Jews (Zionists), including leading policymakers in the Bush
and Obama administration – Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, Dennis Ross,
Martin Indyk, David Frum, Shulsky, Levey, Cohen, Rahm Emanuel etc They continue to push for war
against Iran and should be seen as the 'godfathers' of the tragedies of Iraq, Syria and Libya
where millions have fled.
The biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression was largely due to the financial
policies of Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan. The trillion-dollar bailout of Wall Street
by Ben Shalom Bernacke and Stanley Fischer, while Janet Yellen ignored the plight of millions
of Americans who lost their homes because of mortgage foreclosures. In sum, Jewish Supremacists
should proudly take credit for the American Jews who have been disproportionately responsible
for the largest economic and foreign policy failures of the contemporary period –
including the horrific suffering these have entailed!
Back in the more normal world of crime, Russian-Jewish mobsters dominate or share supremacy
with the Italian Mafia in New York, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Miami and scores of cities in
between. They display their unique genius at extortion and murder – knowing they can
always find safe haven in the 'Promised Land'!
On the cultural front, the finest Jewish writers, artists, musicians, scientists have
emerged outside of Israel. A few may have immigrated to the Jewish state, but many other
intellectuals and artists of note have chosen to leave Israel, repelled by the racist,
intolerant and repressive apartheid state and society promoted by Jewish Supremacists.
Conclusion
The record provides no historical basis for the claims of Jewish Supremacists:
What has been cited as the disproportionate 'Jewish genius' turns out to be a two-edged
sword – demonstrating the best and the worst.
Claiming a monopoly on high academic achievement must be expanded to owning up to the Jewish
authors of the worst financial and foreign policy disasters – they too are 'high
achievers'.
Donations from financial billionaires, all 'geniuses', have financed the war crimes of the
Israeli state and made possible the expansion of violent Jewish settlers throughout occupied
Palestine – spreading misery and displacement for millions.
In fairness, the most notorious Jewish swindler in contemporary America was even-handed:
'Bernie' Madoff swindled Jews and Goys, Hollywood moguls and New York philanthropists –
he wasn't picky about who he fleeced.
The latest fashion among Jewish Supremacist 'geneticists' is to extoll the discovery of
uniquely special 'genes' predisposing Jews to experience the 'holocaust' and even inherit the
experience of suffering from long dead ancestors. Such 'scientists' should be careful. As Jazz
artist and essayist, Gilad Altzmon wryly notes, 'They will put the anti-Semites out of
business'.
Ultimately, Jews, who have assimilated into the greater society or not, who inter-marry and
who do not, are all products of the social system in which they live and (like everyone else)
they are the makers of the roles they decide to play within it.
In the past, a uniquely disproportional percentage of Jews chose to fight for universal
humanist values – rejecting the notion of a chosen people.
Today a disproportionate percentage of educated Jews have chosen to embrace an
'ethno-religious' Supremacist dogma, which binds them to an apartheid, militarist state and
ideology ready to drag the world into a global war.
Never forget! Racialist supremacist doctrines led Germany down the blind ally of
totalitarianism and world war, in which scores of millions perished.
Jews, especially young Jews, are increasingly repelled by Israel's crimes against humanity.
The next step for them (and for us) is to criticize, demystify and stand up to the toxic
supremacist ideology linking the powerful domestic Zionist power configuration and its
political clones with Israel.
The root problem is not genetic, it is collective political dementia: a demented ideology
that claims a chosen elite can forever dominate and exploit the majority of American people.
The time will come when the accumulated disasters will force the Americans people to push back,
unmasking the elite and rejecting its supremacist doctrines. Let us hope that they will act
with passion guided by reason.
The simple answer to the questions posed in the beginning is that everything comes down to
one's beliefs.
If you believe yourself to be superior and combine that with a hard-work ethic, you will
create that which you took as a natural given. The belief system of Judaism evolved from one
that was primarily concerned with pleasing God and working towards the afterlife to one
primarily concerned with creating heaven on earth and working towards the material life. Such
doctrines are at the heart of any materialistic ideology. It is a materialistic ideology that
over-indulges in matters of material wealth, accomplishment, and worldly success. But such an
ideology was certainly not the way of Abraham or Moses (or Jesus or Muhammad –
saaws).
So it must be said (and it must be a lesson for every other group, nation, or tribe on
earth): the mixing of race/tribe with religion is wrong. Judaism has largely become (I know
that there are reform movements that differ with such orthodoxy) a religious and ethnic
identity to the point where both become one and the same. A good comment was made above about
the distinction (or lack thereof) between a Jewish atheist and a Jewish rabbi.
I don't think it too out of the ordinary to understand how and why the doctrine of Jewish
supremacism found a cozy home in the United States. The US has had its own doctrine of
exceptionalism for a very long time (just ask the Native Americans). Migration away from the
familiarity of one's extended family and indigenous people by the early colonialists, along
with a framework of post-enlightenment secularism led many Americans to become ignorant of
their own religion. Success, the spoils of war, and material abundance added to all that of
course. And so, most American Christians (which last time I checked, still form the majority
of the US) forgot the criticism of the Jews that Jesus (as) and the Bible taught! Instead,
they began to pick and choose what is convenient to follow as far as their faith goes. It is
far more convenient to fall into praise and worship of those who have a monopoly with regards
to power and authority (especially through mass media), rather than follow in the footsteps
of great religious leaders who constantly challenged those in power.
What is described in the above article does indeed resemble other supremacist and racist
ideologies. From Arab Baathism to German Nazism; the Aryan Nations to the Black Panthers;
American Exceptionalism to European Manifest Destiny these are all alike in that they emanate
from the very darkness of our souls. The first racist/supremacist was iblis (lucifer) i.e.
satan (the leader of the devils). He felt he and those made of the same substance as him were
superior to us (human beings). But it is God who creates all living things and all types of
substances without discrimination or prejudice. The cosmetic differences then are a test for
us to see who will do good, and who will fall into evil (by way of our own free-will).
In the Farewell Sermon, Prophet Muhammad (saaws) said: " All mankind is from Adam and Eve;
an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an
Arab, and a White has no superiority over a Black nor does a Black have any superiority over
a White; except through piety and good deeds "
Whenever I am reminded of the disproportionate number of Jews who receive Nobel Prizes, I
always like to point out that if there were Nobel prizes for networking, Jews would get 100%
of them.
Lame! The article doesn't even try to explain how such a small percentage of the world's
population manages to produce such a large percentage of the world's most productive
scientists and intellectuals. If our hypothesis is that certain ethnic Jewish populations
have, on average, higher native IQs than other peoples, then the fact that many of those
scientists and intellectuals have renounced their Judaism becomes entirely irrelevant.
Further, if we are talking about intellectual superiority, rather than moral superiority,
then it is to be expected that Jews would also excel at villainy. As far as I can see, this
column offers no argument and introduces no evidence that is inconsistent with the hypothesis
of Jewish intellectual superiority. (And no, I am not Jewish).
Jewish is an ethnicity. Zionist is an ideology. Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists
are Jews. It is Zionist ideology and not Jewish ethnicity that is making trouble in the
world. The idea of the supremacy of ethnic Jews is as silly as the idea of the supremacy of
Texans. Apartheid and expansionism are policies of Zionists and rightfully should be
condemned and resisted.
This sort of tossed-off-the-top-of-the-head stuff (none of it new or refreshed with original
thinking or research) is rather a waste of time. No doubt the natural tribalism and group
purpose that one can find in lots of ethnic and other groups is or seems to outsiders
particularly formidable when found in a group that has an average IQ almost a sd above other
whites', strives mightily and has a 3000 year history, for most of it literate, attached to a
particular homeland. But I have found without the sort of well researched references I would
expect from the author more supremacist chatter amongst young Chinese blog commenters than
from anyone else.
There are obvious elements of truth that one glimpse in this piece but the author does
remarkably little to support his argument beyond assertion.
JUDAISTS MENTALLY DERANGED TO THINK THEY ARE GOD'S CHOSEN; MOST SUCCESS BY CORRUPT MEANS.
Thanks for the excellent article, Sir. Peter the Great does a great job again! You are
right on everything but I would like to add a couple of points.
1. Believing your ethnic group is "chosen" is a delusion, which is a symptom of mental
illness:
God (if there is one), who created all people, would never label one group over the other,
a priori. And if God did so, he would come and tell the others to respect his favorite group
over themselves. God never came and told me or others I know that "Jews" are His "Chosen" and
we are not. Never, never once in my life. Others' religious books never record any such
commandment from God. For a group to engage in shameless self-adulation and then falsely
ascribe it to God is repugnant and an evil fraud in the name of God.
Secondly, this assertion of being "Chosen" is based on the Torah (Old Testament,
Deuteronomy 7:6). The fact that the OT is fiction is obvious from Book 1, Page 1. See: "The
Forgery of the Old Testament" by Joseph McCabe. The earth is not 6000 years old, etc. Higher
criticism showed that the OT was weaved together from four source documents. The scribes, who
imagined a mass murderer Moses (who was so black, the African Pharaoh assumed he was his
grandson for decades) as their prophet were themselves probably mentally deranged African
criminals.
2. More than ½ of Jewish success is due to corrupt and criminal means. Under the
delusion they are Go's Chosen, Judaists lose morals became crooks and criminals at a much
higher rate. Judaists bribe and blackmail politicians in USA and EU to get Israel favorite
treatment and destroy the goyim through alienism and flood it with 3rd world aliens. The
bribed politicians pay them back millions or even billions in grants and contracts and other
favors, such as FCC licenses, protection from criminal prosecution, etc. For example, Jewish
billionaire George Soros (Schwartz) made money in insider trading. Most Judaists succeed due
to nepotism as they hire each other in top positions, to monopolize and control and to goyim
out. Eg. Elena Kagan who never tried a case was suddenly appointed to the Supreme Court.
They also control the Nobel Committee, given the fact that many Judaists who got nobel
prizes got them for no great discovery or invention! See details here:
In summary, Judaism is a mentally deranged criminal cult and the Judaists are a modern
criminal gang that controls all 3 branches of our govt., media and academia and is using its
criminally obtained power to bolster their mythical homeland, Israel, and keeping it pure,
while destroying white goyim thru 3rd world immigration and liberalism in order to rule them
using the divide and conquer strategy.
It is completely obvious to anyone who has had even a slight acquaintance with Ashkenazi Jews
that they average high intelligence. This impression is not only supported by the
psychometric data showing an average Ashkenazi IQ of 112 but also by the astounding record of
extraordinarily high levels of achievement in intellectually demanding fields.
The other day I quickly wrote down a list of about 30 or so of the most prominent chess
players since the latter part of the nineteenth century that I had heard of and then
researched how many of them were Ashkenazi Jews. It turned out that 49% of them were
Ashkenazi Jews. Looking at the percentage of Nobel Prize winners, Fields Medalists etc. that
are Ashkenazi Jews produces similar astonishing results.
Someone who can believe that the extraordinary level of Ashkenazi intellectual achievement
has nothing to do with genetics can believe anything. The denial of a genetic involvement in
high Ashkenazi intellectual achievement illustrates the remarkable power of ideology to cause
people to pretend to believe the most preposterous nonsense.
The intelligence of non-Ashkenazi Jews while nowhere near Ashkenazi levels is still
probably above the world average except for the Falasha. The IQ of the Mizrahi Jews I believe
is somewhere in the low 90′s which while well below average IQ's in most of Europe is
substantially above the average IQ of most Arab populations.
It should be noted that the genetics of Ashkenazi Jews is substantially different from the
genetics of non-Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews are genetically about 60% European (nearly all
Mediterranean European) and 40% Middle Eastern.
No doubt Jews are much more ethnocentric than Europeans in general. However in regard to
ethnocentrism Jews may well be nearer the world average than say Northwest Europeans who
appear unusually low in ethnocentrism.
Of the various unsavory Jews mentioned in this article it is clear that they are all of
high intelligence.
It is perfectly true that Jewish intellectual achievements have little connection with the
Talmud or other aspects of traditional Jewish culture. But that fact itself shows the
weakness of cultural explanations of Jewish achievement. Chess for example was absent from
traditional Jewish culture but when Ashkenazi Jews began to take up the game in the latter
part of the nineteenth century it took only for a few decades for them to become highly
dominant in international competition despite the fact that the game came from gentile
culture.
The intellectual superiority of Ashkenazi Jews is obvious. Hopefully a study of Jewish
genetics will lead to substantial advances in the understanding of human intelligence.
If you think the "Jews" are so intelligent, then how come they read the Torah (OT 1-5) and
not realize that it is a forgery, a piece of fiction and that Abraham and Moses could not
have existed?
The Torah (OT 1-5) is a "forgery" (See: McCabe) and "spurious" (–Thomas Paine). That
is obvious from book 1, page 1. The Earth is not 6000 years old. The universe is not standing
on a "firmament." Cultures (unknown to the scribes) flourished much before. Written records
and archeological evidence using carbon dating show man's presence tens of thousands of years
ago, probably over a 100,000 years ago. A million people cannot live in a vast desert
(without water or food) in a hostile nation for 40 years -- and leave no trace.
Moshe (an Egyptian, therefore African and Negro) never existed. His story is copied from
the older African myth of Mises. Exile and Exodus never happened. For eg., as stated in
"Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho" (by Prof. Ze'ev Herzog of the Dept. of Archaeology, Tel
Aviv University):
"This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel:
the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in
a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel ."
Moshe could not have parted the Red Sea, not only because it violates the laws of physics,
and there was no Moses, but because there was no Red Sea to cross, since Egypt and Israel
have a common land border!
So Judaists who believes that this mythical black mass murderer Moshe is their "prophet",
and are children of a pimp called Abraham, are they mentally retarded or mentally ill?
What turns comfortable, prosperous American Jews into vindictive bullies, willing and
able to blackmail, threaten and punish any dissident voices among their Gentile and Jewish
compatriots who have dared to criticize Israel?
Thank goodness Max Blumenthal didn't take that route. He could've easily, but change is in
the air.
"More than ½ of Jewish success is due to corrupt and criminal means. Under the
delusion they are Go's Chosen, Judaists lose morals became crooks and criminals at a much
higher rate. Judaists bribe and blackmail politicians in USA and EU to get Israel favorite
treatment and destroy the goyim through alienism and flood it with 3rd world aliens."
There is a peculiar trait among Semitic peoples to treat members of other ethnic or
religious groups with a different set of ethics. Gentiles are slow to understand this, as
their Christian universalism forbids them to engage in such activities.
It's not a question of liking Jews or being "anti-Semitic". Quite aside from sentimental
considerations along these lines it is perfectly obvious that Ashkenazi Jews have an
exceptionally high average IQ. Saying this is just to recognize objective reality.
Ashkenazi Jews are no doubt more ethnocentric than most other white Americans or Northwest
Europeans but in this regard it may be the latter who are more exceptional in having a low
degree of ethnocentrism.
Northwest Europeans have often been described as having a "guilt" culture as opposed to a
"shame" culture which is more common in the rest of the world outside Europe. I wonder to
what extent traditional Jewish culture is best described as a "guilt" vs. "shame"
culture.
Ashkenazi Jews are very different genetically from non-Ashkenazi Jews. Most US Jews are
Ashkenazi so statements about Jews in the US are generally about Ashkenazi Jews. Such
statements often do not apply much to Oriental Jews.
There is a definitive correlation between corruption/criminality and worldly success. At
an individual level, those whose morals are weak tend to be more willing to take risks or do
the kinds of work that others would not dare touch or find reprehensibly. Yet, the end result
would be greater worldly accomplishment and success. This does not apply to everyone, but it
is an undeniable reality. At the macro-level, empires don't become empires without having bad
laundry (so to speak). Might makes right as the saying goes. America as a superpower today
would not be in the position it is in without the shedding of so much blood and without so
many transgressions and criminal actions. So my point here is that sometimes, success and
accomplishment correlates with corruption and transgression. Also, compare and contrast
Jewish success and accomplishment in Germany prior to World War 1 and after World War 2.
After the horror of those events, I think many Jewish communities may have altered their
relationship with non-Jews and as a result, believe that they have the right to lie, fool,
and transgress against gentile nations that are going to be hostile towards them no matter
what.
The real accomplishment is one's place in the Hereafter. That was the message that the
Jews used to carry to the nations of the earth. Now, it is the Muslims that carry that
message.
Jim – your perspective here is wrong. It is culture and environment and the type of
beliefs and mentality a person, family, or community have. A set of variable factors some of
which can be controlled and some of which cannot, that result in what we then observe. This
is an age-old debate within the field of genetics nurture vs. nature. But what you are
describing above is nurture the mentality one has or the mentality one is raised by.
Similar arguments can be put forth regarding the rise and fall of whole nations. Some
nations and cultures start off with better resources that allow them to conquer others and
thus, "achieve" more. Think of the military advantages Europe had over Asia and Africa that
allowed for the centuries of colonialism. Prior to that, the geography and natural resources
of Europe gave it many advantages over those lands and peoples that they eventually
conquered. On top of that, Europe developed a manifest destiny mindset (among other
ideologies) which justified its actions. For some, it may have been humanitarian and for
others in Europe, it may have been destructive. Either way, the end result of what they did
was on account of environmental and cultural factors that fall into the realm of "nurture"
rather than "nature". Nature here being a reference to genetics and race and so forth as
opposed to environmental advantages like better food, water, and shelter.
Again, real success and accomplishment is for the Hereafter. The Jews were once entrusted
to lead mankind with this message but they lost it, and so the Muslims (including members of
every Jewish tribe – even the Ashkenazis that revert to Islam) now carry it forth.
What marks a Jew is not his native inelegance but his aggression. The Jew culture is
intellectually aggressive. Human culture is about the use of words – the capacity to
use words separates us from our fellow species. Jews are masters at aggressively manipulating
words.
The Jew culture teaches its children to be intellectually aggressive – it teaches
its children to be argumentative and intellectually combative – it teaches its children
to aggressively win through the use of words at all costs short of jail. In essence they win
by fooling people, by misleading them with words.
In Western culture it is said "that the truth will set you free" – that truth is the
highest value – truth settles disputes, truth rules -- whereas in Jew culture it is
said that "misleading words will gain you money and power."
There is another most important element in Jew culture – it is that they do this
word manipulation together as a tribe. That they dishonestly act together as one. Zionism
exemplifies Jew culture.
The "fact" that Jews are claimed to have an average IQ that is ten points higher than other
whites is rather spurious. "Other whites"includes people like inbred West Virginia Coal
miners, less intelligent southern and eastern Europeans as well as all those somewhat dim
witted white Evangelicals.
If one were to claim that Jews have IQs that are ten points higher than the average
Episcopalian or Presbyterian, that would be an entirely different matter altogether. I have
heard that there is some actively censored data hanging around out there that claims that the
difference between Jews and white gentiles virtually disappears when Jews are pitted against
either active or passive members of these two most prosperous and highest status of the
larger Protestant sects. The same drastic narrowing of test scores would probably happen if
Jews were measured against the less numerous, but just as well off, Congregationalists or
Quakers.
Jews are high function at both ends of the cognitive spectrum: subjective and objective.
One form of cognition primarily manipulates people, often considering them just objects,
while the other is generally focused on manipulating things with much less interest in
people.
Mentalism and Mechanism, the twin modes of human cognition
I have heard that there is some actively censored data hanging around out there that
claims that the difference between Jews and white gentiles virtually disappears when Jews
are pitted against either active or passive members of these two most prosperous and
highest status of the larger Protestant sects.
I would not doubt this at all. In fact there are groups globally that equal or exceed the
average IQ levels of Ashkenazi Jews. For example Indian Brahmins measure around 110-115, as
do North Europeans. One expects in fact, that with reductions in pathogenic loads, improved
nutrition etc. global IQ levels to converge over time. In the end, what matter most for
achievement are grit and efficiency.
The article is patent horse shit. Israeli neocons wouldn't behave nearly so aggressively
without the much larger and more powerful American Christian Zionist population that has
Israel's back.
This is a very confused piece because it doesn't clearly define the meaning of Jewish
Supremacism.
I would argue there is such a thing called Jewish Supremacism -- though Jews will never
call it that and most people are afraid to call it that -- , and we should approach it like
white supremacism or supremacism of any kind. It is what allows Jews to act as if they're
beyond the law or the norms of humanity.
The problem is that the part and parcel of Jewish Supremacism is that we cannot call it
'Jewish Supremacism'. And this is the difference between Jewish Supremacism and White
Supremacism. During the heyday of White Supremacism, whites were saying they are indeed the
best. In contrast, Jewish Supremacists pretend to be egalitarians at war with all kinds of
supremacism, especially the white, Muslim, Russian, and Chinese kind. Indeed, paradoxically,
one of the hallmarks of Jewish Supremacism is we must never ever notice that Jews are
supremacist. It's kind of like the phenomenon of Jewish power/influence. Jews have so much of
it(and proud of it), but we better not notice it. If you do notice, as Rick Sanchez did, you
get in big trouble. Jews have the supremacist power over us all but use that power to insist
that they are all about egalitarianism and that anyone who says otherwise is an evil
'antisemite' who needs to be destroyed. Jews have great power, wealth, and influence but
still act like Holocaust survivors who just walked out of the Nazi Death Camps. It is because
Jewish Supremacism is so well-hidden and masked that it is so dangerous.
Nazis were scum but at least they were honest scum. They said WE ARE THE BEST, SO KISS OUR
ASS WHILE WE KICK YOUR BUTT. In contrast, Jews kick our butt and make us kiss their ass but
also force us to believe that they are healing our souls with their commitment to
egalitarianism and universal conscience. Jewish Supremacism is a silent/invisible
supremacism. That is why it's dangerous. We are made to behave in accordance to the
conviction that Jews are indeed better than us and more deserving than us BUT also made to
see Jews as an eternally helpless people who wouldn't survive unless we took special care of
them. But this passive-aggressive form of superiority is found in Christianity itself. The
mythic Jesus claimed to be the Son of God but also lived and died as the most helpless man.
We are supposed to worship His supreme power but also weep for His most helpless self that
suffered oh so very much like in Gibson's PASSION where Romans whup Him real good.
Anyway, Petras confuses the issue because he's not clear on the meaning of superiority. He
mentions a bunch of bad Jews who did loathsome things. But genius/brilliance/wit/smarts can
be in the service of bad stuff as well as good stuff.
So, the fact that many Jews were involved in financial crimes doesn't disprove the notion
that Jews are superior in certain areas. Indeed, a smart crook is more likely to rob with a
briefcase than with a gun. He may be morally inferior but still has proven his intellectual
superiority. I find the Jordan Belfort character of THE WOLF OF WALL STREET loathsome, but we
have to admit a dummy couldn't have done what he did. So, even though he was a crook, his
example did demonstrate Jewish superiority in brain power. And this goes for other Wall
Street Jewish crooks. Their wickedness doesn't disprove Jewish superiority in the brainy
fields.
It's like blacks are physically stronger and superior in athletics. Blacks can use this
advantage for good things or bad things. A strong black fireman might run out of the building
with 3 children. But a nasty black criminal might use his strength to invade a home, beat up
a white boy, rape his wife, and act like a gorilla. He would have done wrong, but his use of
force would still have demonstrated the physical advantage of the Negro over whites.
Any talent or skill can be used for good or bad. That so many Jews are brainy crooks and so
many blacks are brutish crooks means that Jews have the advantage in mental power and blacks
have the advantage in muscle power.
Of course, being superior in mind doesn't mean one is good in morality. So many smart
people have been lying, manipulative, lowdown vermin. And there have been plenty of Jewish
sons-of-bitches. But to the extent that such Jewish crooks could outwit and out-think others
is proof of Jewish superiority in brain power.
"Historically, highly talented individuals of Jewish origin succeeded by renouncing the
constraints of everyday Jewish life, rabbinical overseers and Jewish institutions. Most
contemporary prestigious scientists, including the frequently cited Nobel Prize winners, have
little or nothing to do with Judaism! And their contributions have everything to do with the
highly secular, integrated culture in which they prospered intellectually – despite
expressions of crude anti-Semitism in the larger society."
But why did secularized Jews achieve more than other people who were also secularized(from
Christianity, Islam, or whatever) at the same time? I agree that the great modern
achievements of Jews in the modern era had to do with Emancipation and secularization, but
non-Jews had the same opportunities as the Jews did, in some cases more as they faced less
overt discrimination and even were favored by affirmative action in places in Hungary.
If secularization does such wonders for any people, why did Jews disproportionally
outperform other groups? In both Hungary and Germany, the small Jewish minority gained
tremendous power and influence even though Hungarians and Germans had the same access to
secularization and modernity. Of course, there were notable non-Jewish artists, scientists,
writers, and etc. in every field, and Jews hardly originated many of these disciplines. But
the fact that Jews did better in them means that Jews might have a genetic advantage when it
comes to intelligence.
It's like this. For most of black existence, they ran around chucking spears at hippos and
beating the bongo drum and hollering ugabuga. Blacks gained athletic domination in the West
when they took up sports like basketball, football, boxing, and etc. So, are we to assume
that blackness has no special advantage in sports? Should we say black success in sports owes
only to black participation in western sports? But non-blacks also participated in western
sports like boxing, track, basketball, and etc. So, why didn't they do as well as blacks?
So, doesn't it make sense to say that, even prior to black participation in sports, something
about the evolution of blackness in the Dark Continent made blacks more better at sports? It
wasn't the sports that made blacks so good. They were so good at sports because their
evolution had made them strong and fast long before they dribbled the first basketball or put
on the first boxing gloves.
Same thing could be true of Jews. While one could argue that Judaism did hold Jews back
from participating in secular sciences, its emphasis on memory, argument, discussion,
contemplation, meditation of profound questions as mind-puzzles, and etc. might have helped
Jews to select the smarter Jews and favor them for breeding with the daughters of smart
Jewish businessmen. Gregory Harpender came up with such theory. Something can be useless in
practical terms but still be useful in identifying the smart and favoring him for
breeding.
Take chess or some kind of mind-game. It has no value in finding the cure for cancer, sending
a man to the moon, splitting the atom, and etc. But a game of chess involves tremendous
skills of reason, logic, memory, foresight, and such. So, if a culture were to use chess to
identify members who are better at it and then favored such kids for having more kids, then
the culture will grow smarter. And who can deny that Judaism was intellectually vigorous even
if, from the perspective of modern society, useless in technological terms. You can't learn
engineering or medicine by reading the Torah and Talmud. But you can learn to use your mind
and probe into profound questions of life and meaning, and through such debate, the culture
of intelligence can be fostered, and the identified brainiacs can be matched to have babies
with the daughters of smart businessmen, and over time, the Tribe grows more intelligent.
"Among Jewish American Nobel 'Peaceniks' is Henry Kissinger who oversaw the brutal and
illegal US war in Indo-China causing 4 million Vietnamese deaths;who wrote the 'template for
regime change' by overthrowing the democratically elected government of Chilean President
Allende and condemned Chile to decades of police state terror; and who supported Indonesia's
destruction of East Timor!"
Kissinger is a shady character, but it came with the territory of dealing in foreign
policy, always a gangster enterprise for all nations. I mean the great Bismarck played dirty
too.
4 million dead in Vietnam War? Wasn't it 2 million? Also, what was Kissinger supposed to
do? South Vietnam was an ally being threatened by the communist north during the Cold War. It
was difficult for US to hold the trust of its allies by letting Vietnam fall to communism. It
was a dirty war where every side fought nasty and hard and did terrible things.
As for Chile, wasn't Pinochet still better than the commie Allende who would have
destroyed the economy? Pinochet did revive the economy. He even graciously stepped aside and
restored democracy. So what if he killed a bunch of commies? Commies love violence and
wherever they took power, used even more ruthless violence against dissidents.
As for what happened in East Timor, Indonesia was an ally of the US, and during the Cold War,
US tolerated its sons of bitches and the USSR tolerated its sons of bitches.
Kissinger was a Cold Warrior and strategist. It is wrong to see his actions through overly
moralistic eyes. If indeed Kissinger should be condemned for working with tyrants, how come
there is no complaint about Kissinger's working behind the scenes to bring about Nixon-Mao
meeting? Mao killed millions of Chiners and then ruined Chinese culture by setting Red Guards
amok to smash things. But the very people who bitch about Kissinger's support of Pinochet --
who killed a few 1000s -- see no problem with Kissinger helping Nixon come to an
understanding with Mao the mass killer of tens of millions. I don't blame Kissinger for the
Mao-Nixon affair. He was a global strategist, and he knew he had to play with the cards dealt
to him.
At any rate, he was far preferable to Neocon lunatics. Kissinger understood foreign policy
as a dirty affair and did what he had to do. He was a realist and pragmatist.
And such a policy is better for the US than the Neocon one that aggressively triggers
unnecessary wars for Jewish interest.
Whether one agrees with Kissinger's decisions or not, he was acting in terms of 'necessary
wars and conflicts' that simply couldn't be avoided. During the Cold War when US allies were
under attack from global communists, US really had no choice but to stick up for the
anti-communists.
As for Israel, the problem is Zionists keep thinking beyond their borders and get US
involved in the mess. Supremacism or no supremacism, the problem of Israel-Palestine is due
to the clash of nationalisms. It's like Yugoslavia after the end of communism. The problem
wasn't supremacism. Serbs didn't think they were racially superior to Croatians didn't think
they were racially superior to Bosnian Muslims didn't think they were racially superior to
Serbians who didn't think they were racially superior to Kosovo Albanians. But each people
had their own vision of national identity and territory. There was serious disagreement about
borders, and that caused the problem.
Now, it is true that Israel does have racial supremacists who say 'Goyim should serve us
like cattle', but even if not a single Jew thought that way in Israel-Palestine, the problem
there would be almost identical. Israel was founded by imperialism. Also, Jews didn't finish
the job. Had they expelled all Palestinians from what were to become Israel, they would have
done better for themselves(thought not for Palestinians, of course). It is proof that
diversity is problematic, especially if it involves people who've come to be historically at
odds with one another.
Even if Jews were to drop every vestige of supremacism in Israel/Palestine, the problem
will not go away since Palestinians have a different vision of Palestine.
It's like South Africa. The end of Apartheid didn't end the problem of race. If anything,
things have gotten worse because blacks have a different vision of what South Africa should
be, with or without Apartheid.
The preponderance of power behind the maniacal behaviors seen in Bibi Netanyahu is not
Jewish, it's the American Christian Right.
I guess the following members of the Israel Lobby – American Israel Public Affairs
Committee, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, the Anti-Defamation League, the
American Jewish Congress, the Zionist Organization of America, the Israel Policy Forum, the
American Jewish Committee, the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, Americans for a
Safe Israel, American Friends of Likud, Mercaz-USA, Hadassah, and the Conference of
Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations – can just close up shop and go
home.
"Judaism is not a religion, nor is it a racial category. Judaism is a group survival
strategy."
But how is it a survival strategy? It cannot be understood apart from its concept of
religion and race. Judaism has been a successful survival strategy because it fused
spirituality with biology. Spirituality alone tends to be too abstract and solipsistic.
Buddhism cannot help any tribal group to survive. And now we see Christianity failing as
well.
As for pure tribalism, it is too petty, tooth-and-claw, gansterist, and/or animalist. Humans
want something more from life than acting like pack animals. They want the vision of their
own community to be something more than 'us versus them, F you!'
Judaism combined a concept of the universe under the power of the one and only God with
the biology of a 'special people'. Jews pulled out their puds and said they have a special
link to the Lord of All that was, is, and will be. In some ways, it was the ultimate
chutzpah. Imagine someone yanking out his penis and saying it is blessed by God. So, what
came out of the Jewish balls gained spiritual meaning. And this ballsian view of things was
furthermore merged with the idea that a Jewish womb/vagina was special for creating authentic
Jewish kids. So, Jewish guys were made to feel special for having special balls/puds that
created special Jewish kids, and Jewish girls were made to feel special for having special
vaginas that pushed out special Jewish kids. So, religion and race were combined. So, the
'survival strategy' aspect of Jewishness cannot be disassociated from the concepts of race
and religion.
"The Jewish group survival strategy has changed over the centuries, based on
circumstances. The 20th and 21th century Jewish group survival strategy is class supremacy.
Early 20th century saw the rise of Jewish bolshevism in the form of proletarian class
supremacy."
But was proletarianism a form of 'class supremacy' or class equality? Proles represented
most people: the working folks. And communism said the economy belongs to all those who work
than to the small elites who own the industries. Communists attacked capitalism as a form of
class supremacism where the ruling bourgeoisie had most of everything.
To some extent, communism reflects Jewish thinking. The notable thing about much of Jewish
culture–though not all–is the extent to which the emphasis is placed on 'ordinary
people' than on 'great men'.
Most histories are histories of great gods, kings, heroes, and etc.
In contrast, many of the most important figures in Judaism are not 'great men' types. They
are ordinary people like you and me. And even a great figure like Moses abandoned his
privileges as a member of the Egyptian elite to become one of the Jews and to lead the Jews
to their promised land. Not as hero or prince or king but merely as a man with a special
calling from God.
This aspect of Judaism may have been good as a survival strategy since it made every Jew,
however lowly, feel special and invested in preserving the Jewish tradition that informed him
of his special place in the universe. One didn't have to be a king, prince, or whatever to
matter. One could be a humble shepherd and still be the favored of God and have meaning in
life. So, even when Jewish political leaders crumbled and fell, the Jewish people continued
to feel special and blessed, even in exile.
But among cultures where all the glory was concentrated among the kings and elites, when they
fell, the entire culture fell and vanished with the demise of the elites since the people
merely counted as obedient sheep who carried out orders.
Another thing about Jewish communists. It's hard to say to what extent they were working
as communists or as Jews. Also, even if they sincerely acted as communists on the conscious
level, who knows what was really driving them in their subconscious?
Many Third World communists were actually driven by nationalism and adopted communism as the
best instrument for liberation. Even if they did believe in communism, their nationalism
actually meant more, and in time, the communist elements grew weaker while the sense of
nationalism remained.
It could be that many Jews were driven to communism as a reaction to anti-Jewishness and
also to Jewish capitalism(since it seemed to benefit only a handful of Jews while so many
went poor and hungry, especially in a place like Russia).
At any rate, I'd wager that most Jewish communists were not consciously using communism as a
Survival Strategy for Jews. Subconsciously, it could have been part of what they were doing,
but we can't be sure. Subconsciously, it's possible that even Jews who rejected Jewishness
were feeling sort of Jewish and different from others. A kind of implicit Jewishness that
finally resurfaced with the ebbing of the ideological dogma of communism. Mere creeds don't
last long. Ideas come and go. What tends to last is identity, historical sense, and territory
if they are preserved.
People generally want to believe in the righteousness of their cause and don't wanna
believe that they adopted some cause out of reasons of vendetta or self-interest.
For example, a lot of anti-Israel rhetoric on the Alt Right is filled with moral outrage,
but in most cases, it has nothing to do with genuine sympathy for Palestinians. It is a
survival strategy for white people that seeks to expose and undermine Jewish power wherever
it can be found because it is seen as the main enemy of the white race.
If Jews didn't cause such trouble for Jews, who in the Alt Right would give a crap about
what is being done to Palestinians?
Turks don't rule the West, so Alt Right doesn't care about all the Turkish violence against
the Kurdish population.
Dear Sonic,please don't create a straw man argument here . This is not about islam's
golden past or the present s ary possibility of the demise of Christianity . It is about the
future of a pluralistic secular egalitarian society free from the the vile machinations of
the Zionism.
Don't generate this kind of discussion. It is nothing but diversion and irrelevant.
If you are a Muslim,you should learn from the 5 th column Zionist . It has destroyed
Protestant religion. Zionism is inserting itself in the frightened psyche of corrupt Saudi .
It can destroy Islam also.
Already in India ,Zionism has started portraying itself as a the ancient monolithic cousin of
the polytheist Hindusim This is the starting point of the Zionist- both are ancient,both gave
birth to other religions and both " don't force conversion" and have high IQ.and surrounded
by most fanatic,fundamentalist and anti modern people. Hindu counterpart in return has added
that no Jews were ever persecuted in India! What a match ! Just some 80 yrs ago Hindu
fanatics RSS was praising Naxi and Hitler and demonizing Jews ,calling themselves Aryan
around the same time when Zionist were cavorting with Hitler,Mussolini abd some other dark
forces.
Jim, there are no non-jewish Ashkenazi and it is accepted genetics that Ashkenazi are part
European. Thus the correct labelling is Ashkenazi European as opposed to other Jewish
European, or European. It is through labelling that various myths are proliferated. Using the
term Ashkenazi European rather than Ashkenazi Jewish immediately brings to social
consciousness where Ashkenazi derive from and how perhaps they inherited such high IQ.
Anyway, Petras confuses the issue because he's not clear on the meaning of superiority.
He mentions a bunch of bad Jews who did loathsome things. But genius/brilliance/wit/smarts
can be in the service of bad stuff as well as good stuff.
So, the fact that many Jews were involved in financial crimes doesn't disprove the notion
that Jews are superior in certain areas.
Just a couple thoughts. Success for Jews has come within larger Christian, high-trust
societies. Being around a lot of Jews in my life, both successful and not successful, I have
come to believe that their number one asset for accomplishment is their high energy,
indefatigable nature. They're neurotic and inquisitive and spend a lot of time reading and
mulling over things. This starts at a young age. And without the neurotic inquisitiveness,
which is a product of high energy, they wouldn't test high on IQ tests and go on to become
top chess players and disproportionate in the Ivy League, Nobel Prizes, etc. IQ is developed,
but it requires someone have a high energy, inquisitive nature or a tiger parent pushing them
in study.
I think Cochran is probably right that high Ashkenazi intelligence is the result of
selection in Europe for high IQ resulting from occupational specialization. Cochran has also
stated that Ashkenazi Jews in Europe have always been an almost exclusively urban population.
All over the world urban populations have higher IQ's than surrounding rural populations. So
in urban environments there is more selection pressure for higher IQ's.
So Jews in European history lived in an urban environment with generally high selection
for intelligence and in addition occupational specialization created additional selection for
high intelligence. An additional factor may have been that lower IQ Jews may have been more
likely to assimilate into the general gentile population. Surviving as a Jew in the midst of
a frequently hostile gentile population may have required high intelligence.
Most likely the alleles underlying high Ashkenazi intelligence are not unique to this
population but have higher frequency there because of past selective forces. Under modern
conditions selection for high intelligence in Ashkenazi Jews has probably lessened.
I honestly don't know how many Christian Zionists there are in the U.S. But it's a ton and
they have a voice in D.C. According to polls, a majority of American Jews side with Obama
over Bibi on the Iran deal. These are examples of Zionists who are not Jews and Jews who are
not Zionists. Zionism is a dangerous ideology. Judaism is an ancient religion. They overlap
but they are not at all the same thing.
I have heard that there is some actively censored data hanging around out there that
claims that the difference between Jews and white gentiles virtually disappears when Jews
are pitted against either active or passive members of these two most prosperous and
highest status of the larger Protestant sects.
Yes, there's nothing special about high IQ Jews. They just have high IQs. Other groups,
like the British upper-middle class also have high IQs that's what happens when you have a
degree of group inbreeding and strong selective pressures for intelligence.
Don't know where my earlier comment went..but briefly:
Why hasn't all this ability produced a significant art of any kind?
Think of Islamic architecture – like the Alhambra (Spain) or the Taj Mahal
(India.)
Think of Christian architecture – medieval gothic (Germany, France, Britain) or
Roman Catholic (St Peters, Sistine chapel, numerous basilicas, churches..)
Art – Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Rubens ..,so many Christian artists..
The Islamic prohibition on reproducing human images did not prevent them from producing
exquisite miniatures and distinctive geometric mathematically-perfect designs, often used to
decorate everything from walls to rugs..to metal,.Syria and Morocco being especially
well-known.
Music..classical European is heavily represented by German (Beethoven, Bach) and other
European continental composers, all from the Christian tradition opera
Asia – look al the Buddhist and Confucius traditions in China, Korea and Japan and
the distinctive architecture and art of those regions and cultures
Don't forget the Indian temples of the Hindus and the ornate stone carvings and painting
that covers every surface..
In short, this perception of supremacy – for those Jews vthat have it – smacks
a good deal more of civilizational insecurity than any real hubris.
I expect the confident ones don't need such contrived (and WASPy-biased) notions of group
'positive affirmation.'
Ex-city worker runs anti-Semitic website
Man quits Escondido job after being told be fired or resign
By J. Harry Jones | 6:05 p.m. Sept. 10, 2015
ESCONDIDO -- A 29-year-old clerical employee in the Escondido City Manager's Office was
forced out of his job this week after city officials learned he operates an anti-Semitic
website and is active in a movement that blames Jews for the 9/11 terror attacks. --
City officials said they were unaware at the time that Friend is an outspoken blogger and
contributor to several white supremacist publications. --
"(I thought) it was inevitable that my political and historical views would become known
to the city," he said in an email to the Union-Tribune. "I thought that their knowledge of my
writing, publishing, and speaking activities, as well as the political and historical
perspective I openly espouse, would ultimately result in my termination."
You forgot to mention how the Zio-goons treat them.
I've met plenty of Muslim Israeli citizens. They live great lives. If anything,
they are privileged by not being forcibly conscripted like the Jewish Israelis. A position the
American rich youth were in during the Vietnam draft.
As for how Middle Eastern countries treated their Jews absent Ottoman suzerainity, consider
that every Israeli I met under the age of 35 had at least one grandparent from a majority
Muslim country. Yet there aren't any Jews in almost any of them now. Why?
Here, let me help you it's a bit dated but shows that the Zion-nut behavior is nothing
new.
Between 30 and 54 Palestinians are believed to have died in the gun attack by Baruch
Goldstein in Hebron
Goldstein had lived in Israel for 11 years and was a doctor in the Jewish settlement of
Kiryat Arba, just outside Hebron.
As the settlement's main emergency doctor he was involved in treating victims of
Arab-Israeli violence.
It is reported that his hatred became so intense that eventually he refused to treat
Palestinians.
Goldstein had been a member of the Jewish Defence League, a violent organisation
established by Rabbi Meir Kahane.
South Africa was another state where settlers were trying to displace native population...
what happened with South Africa after apartheid was dismantled is a story that might be repeated
in Israel at some point of time.
@Tyrion 2 It is not
"whataboutery" to point out that Israel is less "an Apartheid state" than practically every
Asian and African country. Not if part of the definition of "Apartheid" is that is an 'especial
evil'.
Since the model for apartheid is South Africa's segregating large parts of its population by
pushing people of common race or ethnicity into Bantustans and restricting their rights in
the rest off South Africa it is easy to see why Israel's treatment of Palestinians is
compared to Apartheid BUT where in Asia or Africa is there anything comparable?
Great, we are making progress here. So good to see you finally submit that Israel is an
apartheid state although less so than African and Asian countries. Good show at least we now
can classify it where it really belongs and drop any pretense of a first rate western style
democracy. Thank you thank you thank you for finally coming clean on this.
I personally would have liked to see Ocasio-Cortez go farther, a lot farther. Israel is a
place where conventional morality has been replaced by a theocratically and culturally driven
sense of entitlement which has meant that anything goes when it comes to the treatment of
inferior Christian and Muslim Arabs
Better to be a minority in Israel than any other Middle Eastern country. The two
settlers guilty of arson are disgusting zealots. But their type is exponentially more common in
Iraq, Syria, Iran and so on.
The criticism of Israel in Western media is disproportionately extremely high given
the much higher rates of this type of thing in the majority of the rest of the world.
As for sniping the leaders of a huge mob trying to invade your country/storm your borders,
doesn't that seem like the most humane way to deal with it? What does Giraldi suggest
they do?
I suppose Western anti-Semites see Western countries going down because they are unable to
deal with this type of thing and get jealous and want to drag Israel down with them. I prefer
that America follow the example of Matteo Salvini. Giraldi prefers 'abolish borders' Cortez.
Indeed, he'd like her to "go a lot farther".
"Better to be a minority in Israel than any other Middle Eastern country."
Nonsense!! Classic hasbara, i.e., "whataboutery."
Reality:
Setting aside Israel's well docmented gross violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention i.e.,
"Collective Punishment" regarding its imprisonment of two million Palestinians in the Gaza
Strip and its repeated mass slaughters of them by land, sea and air, e.g., 2,500, including
over 500 children, in Operation Protective Edge.
Israel is and always has been a racist ethnocracy, i.e., a political structure in which
the state apparatus is appropriated by a dominant ethnic group to further its interests,
power and resources. In short, apartheid.
To wit:
Hendrik Verwoerd, then prime minister of South Africa and the architect of South Africa's
apartheid policies, 1961: "Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state." (Rand Daily
Mail, November 23, 1961)
Jacobus Johannes Fouché, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid
era, compared the two states and said that Israel also practiced apartheid. (Gideon Shimoni
(1980). Jews and Zionism: The South African Experience 1910-1967. Cape Town: Oxford UP. pp.
310–336. ISBN 0195701798.
"Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. 'Joint
Israel-West Bank' reality is an apartheid state"
EXCERPT: "Similarities between the 'original apartheid' as it was practiced in South Africa
and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today 'scream to the heavens,'
added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel's ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be
little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks
during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted." (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)
Video: Israeli TV Host Implores Israelis: Wake Up and Smell the Apartheid
In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied
Palestinian territories, published in 2016, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and
Labor acknowledges the "institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of
Israel."
Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid
regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: "The Palestinian minority in Israel has
for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession,
solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly
redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the
very definition of the 'Jewish state', and have virtually no influence on the laws, or
political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans
[under apartheid]." (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)
Shlomo Gazit, retired IDF Major General: "[Israel's] legal system that enforces the law in
a discriminatory way on the basis of national identity, is actually maintaining an apartheid
regime." (Haaretz, July 19, 2011)
Israel also differentiates between citizenship and nationality, i.e., "Israeli"
nationality does not exist, only Jews and non-Jews, and each citizen carries an appropriate
identity card. While the implications of this absurdity for discrimination and racism against
non-Jews are obvious, it has been upheld by Israel's Supreme Court.
The effect of its blatantly racist "Citizenship Law" and more than fifty other
restrictions Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member,
Ahmed Tibi: " dutifully defining the state as 'Jewish and democratic,' ignores the fact that
in practice 'democratic' refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without
citizenship." (Ma'ariv, 1.6.2005)
For the record: Eminent Jewish Israeli journalist, Bradley Burston, aptly sums up the
horrors Israel inflicts on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and occupied East
Jerusalem:
"Occupation is Slavery"
EXCERPT:
"In the name of occupation, generation after generation of Palestinians have been treated as
property. They can be moved at will, shackled at will, tortured at will, have their families
separated at will. They can be denied the right to vote, to own property, to meet or speak to
family and friends. They can be hounded or even shot dead by their masters, who claim their
position by biblical right, and also use them to build and work on the plantations the
toilers cannot themselves ever hope to own. The masters dehumanize them, call them by the
names of beasts." (Haaretz, Feb. 26/13)
US and Israel are attempting to use internal pressure within Iran yet again with the intent
of sparking enough strife for a regime change:
Indeed a high level joint US-Israeli "working group" has been meeting for months with
just this goal in mind as Axios confirms in a bombshell new report: "Israel and the United
States formed a joint working group a few months ago that is focused on internal efforts to
encourage protests within Iran and pressure the country's government."
In your article posted here two (2) weeks ago at U.R., fyi, the enthusiastic & angry
commenter "Harbinger" hit hard & perhaps unfairly at the articulate & well meaning
dissident commenter "Art."
Harbinger's key contribution was the absolute futility of using the ultra-corrupt &
omnipresent Jewish (ZUSA) political system to change it for America's benefit.
We all recall a percentage of Americans having hope & faith in Kentucky Senator Rand
Paul. Nonetheless, anxious to rise in ZUS presidential standing, Rand found it necessary to
visit the Jerusalem's Western (Wailing) Wall, & wearing a yarmulke. A.k.a., the necessity
for kissing the correct ass.
This year, Rand Paul cast the decisive vote to confirm warmongering Zionist Mike Pompeo as
Secretary of State. (Zigh)
Acknowledging impotent defeatism inherent in Harbinger's & my position, I am sincerely
open for all criticism here.
P.S. Today is the 30th anniversary of the ZUS's barbaric shooting down of the Iranian
passenger plane, the Vincennes. 290 casualties! 66 children. US Navy guided missile Commander,
William Rogers, was cleared of any wrongdoing & awarded America's "Legion of Merit"
medal.
A question, my U.R. Brothers. Does anyone here recall any Congressional or Executive branch
outrage?
That happened in 1988. I was active duty military then and the unit used to receive the
"Navy Times", a newspaper for members of the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. I do not
recall seeing any U.S. followup to the atrocity.
Writing apparently as a patriotic & principled American military veteran, RVBlake
said:
"I do not recall seeing any U.S. followup to the (Vincennes) atrocity."
Hi RVBlake,
Above, neither do I!
Nonetheless, a sincere thanks for your "higher" service to our very sick society &
your having honorably called the U.S. Navy's attack upon the defenseless Iranian passenger
airplane what it really was -- an "atrocity."
Around the year 2006, I do recall a dreaded sense of shame when faux "war hero," Senator
John McCain, modified the popular Beach Boys song lyric to "Barbara Ann," and to the delight
of his Zio indoctrinated political supporters (at a rally), he fiendishly intoned, "Bomb,
bomb Iran!"
Fyi, RVBlake, a few months ago, author & U.S. military veteran, Philip Giraldi, wrote
a great U.R. article about our "Zionized military."
On Independence Day Eve, you will ever more so appreciate P.G.'s higher service to our
country. Thanks again!
Thank you. The only reason I ever read The American Conservative years ago was Phil
Giraldi. I was astounded when I learned he worked for the CIA. Speaking of atrocities, this
may not qualify, but days after the Gulf War, in '91, there was a local luncheon given for
the officers stationed at various units in the city, Savannah, GA. I didn't attend, as usual,
but the lieutenant with whom I shared an office did, and she informed me of the festivities.
After lunch, apparently they set up a projector and began showing live footage of the Highway
of Death, the road from Kuwait to Iraq, filled with fleeing, terrified Iraqi soldiers on
their way home, with no taste for combat. My colleague told me of the laughter that filled
the luncheon room at the sight of the Americans bombing and littering the Highway with the
mangled remains of the Iraqis. It was nauseating to hear of this reaction.
I disdain U.S. military officers who would assemble and laugh at live footage from the
"Highway of Death."
Fyi, I am the only son (child) of the late WWII veteran, P.F.C. Charles Orloski, Sr.
Wounded by Japanese mortar fire during Leyte combat, my father spoke proudly about having
fought Japs / Nips. Fowler & Williams truck driver, a patriotic Teamster, my Dad was also
grateful for Harry Truman's nuclear bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki because it "saved
American soldier lives."
Fyi, in August 1970, drafted, I entered Basic Training at Fort Polk, La. and also did
11-Bravo A.I T. in North Fort (Polk).
Incredibly, the antiwar movement was active among "Fresh Meat" inside barracks but every
soldier was indoctrinated to hate what Springsteen rather flippantly described (in song) as
the "Yellow Man."
While marching along toward "Tigerland," every recruit had to sing, "I wannabe an Airborne
Ranger, I wanna live a life of danger, & I wanna kill some Charlie Cong."
Except the gung-ho and "Grunts" who desired officer promotion "bars," most of the guys in my
Company just wanted to smoke, fuck, & go home.
At present, I hate how the George H.W. Bush administration easily managed to make average
Americans "get over" their hesitancy about the unnecessary, immoral, & deadly Vietnam War
and proceed to dust Islamics Republican Guard in what Patrick Buchanan called a "Turkey
Shoot" & where General Schwarzkopf became a heroic conqueror, household name.
By the time of the infamous W. Bush Zionist presidency, the all volunteer ZUS Army was
indoctrinated to hate and want to kill Muslims, a.k.a., those "ragheads" who did 9/11 &
have WMD's.
Taking target practice at the Koran, shooting & tossing Muzzies into river, raiding
Iraqi mosques, and "non-combatant" prisoner torture became S.O.P., rules-of-engagement.
(Zigh) NFL's Pat Tillman was going-ho once.
And poor (& pregnant?) Private Lyndie England? She never got a distinguished service
medal for her role at Abu Ghraib & I really wonder what she'll be doing tomorrow, Fourth
of July.
I'll try & stop yapping now, RVBlake. Summarized, I support the basic soldier who
wants to believe in an honorable America. And not the ZUS War Criminals, Pentagon Chiefs of
Staff, & M.I.C. contractors who collectively "drum-up" global work opportunities.
Fyi, nine total years service, stateside, discharged in 1979, Specialist 4, Pennsylvania
Army Reserves National Guard.
(zzZigh) I did not fight the "Yellow Man, but come Winter 2001, & employed by a Syracuse,
NY-based private corporation, I did many bizarre Haz-Mat emergency responses to White Powder
(Anthrax) threats in eastern Pennsylvania.
Some incidents were gut-busting laughers for the Field Technicians and me!
I have not the slightest interest in debating you or anyone else at UR regarding the
Holocaust, whether it's genuine or the biggest scam ever pulled, or maybe something in between.
Does the truth on this and other events like 9/11 matter? For sure. But it's not the point I'm
making.
What I'm pointing out is that you often preface your Codoh web address with "level playing
field, no name calling" which implies, at least, that you are trying to approach the Holocaust
and the JQ/Israel wider issues without prejudice or obvious bias.
However you lose no opportunity to slag off Jews no matter what the discussion or context is
about. Their looks, intelligence, well kinda everything.
That's the point I'm making and nowt else. So don't waste your time getting back to me with
the likes of "Aha! You can't refute my Codoh arguments!"
That Jews are not entirely the oppressed innocents depicted in endless propaganda, I'm well
aware of.
FWIW, I've been looking at revisionist stuff for several years. But one thing I always treat
with caution on WW2 revision is that most revisionists seem to be fanboys of Hitler. Michael
Hoffman also doesn't believe in the Holocaust but he got flack for saying Hitler was disastrous
for Germany.
Anyway, I'm not hostile to your endless Codoh references; I find it quite amusing.
Correcting the historical record is not being a "fanboy" of anyone. The teaching and
interpretation of history has far reaching consequences for the people, and its precisely the
distortion and falsification of said history which leads to its mass manipulation .
The current establishment supported mythology is that of the good war against the evil
Hitler, who was the most wicked man in history and the German nation that he and his
followers held in hypnotic trance committed history's greatest crime. Hitler alone bore the
enormous preponderance of guilt in the beginning of history's greatest and most destructive
war. As a result, a coalition of the righteous coalesced around the banners of freedom and
"liberation." and "saved the world" from this unique and all encompassing evil, primarily by
"liberating" the European people and saving the Jews from total extermination.
Applied to any other historical time frame, the last narrative would sound like the plot
for a bad Hollywood movie. But for the former enemies of National Socialist Germany , this
Manichean legend serves as the foundation for the current Atlanticist-Zionist hegemony over
much of the globe. Every time a leader emerges that seeks political independence and
financial sovereignty for his people, the situation is a new Munich, the leader is the next
"Hitler" and those who oppose him are the new, prescient and brave Churchill and FDR. It has
become a geopolitical recurring rite of hegemony.
For those who have bothered to study the matter in any depth it has not been too much of a
chore to figure out that Hitler, while no boy scout or saint, never had any intention to
murder all of the Jews of Europe. He did not desire perpetual wars of conquest, only
territorial readjustments. He was not even particularly bellicose, and desired the
construction of a "national socialist state of the first order" wherein the people he
governed would enjoy a decent standard of living and a dignified peace with their European
neighbors. Hitler made numerous offers of disarmament agreements to both France and Britain,
all of which were rebuffed except the Anglo-German Naval Agreement which gave Great Britain a
considerable advantage in warship tonnage. His initial "territorial grabs" all involved
territory ripped from Germany in the Versailles Agreement, and not all of that, since he kept
to his agreement with Italy regarding South Tyrol and made no demands on France for the
return of Alsace Lorraine. Hitler's initial policy regarding Danzig and the Corridor were
much more conciliatory than that of his Weimar predecessors.
Many serious historians now acknowledge that Hitler does not bear sole or even primary
responsibility for the war, which appears to have been foisted upon Germany by the British
War party, international Zionist elements and Germanophobes and closet communists in the FDR
administration- primarily for economic and financial reasons.
The modern establishment view is that Hitler "seduced" the German masses into becoming his
blind followers by his hypnotic oratory.- as if Weimar Germany was not undergoing mass
unemployment, starvation, demoralization and outright degradation- Berlin was the sex capital
of Europe, for God's sake! What bow tied bourgeois politician were the Germans going to turn
to to save them from from economic and social despair and starvation? Hitler's economic
recovery speaks for itself.
A recent book that summarize and adds to Quigley's work and exposes how WWI was a lie set
up by the secret elites working in broad daylight is Hidden History.
It shows how the elites worked with the media and the UK weapons industry to demonize
Germany.
Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War.
After starting a deadly but profitable war and dragging the US into it, the victorious
powers held the Paris Peace Conference in the year 1919.
This was the birth of "internationalist society" & Atlanticism.
The Emergence of International Society in the 1920s
I should like to cite several passages from Yuval Harari's excellent book, "
Sapiens ":
p.210: " all social orders and hierarchies are imagined, they are all fragile, and
the larger the society, the more fragile it is. The crucial historical role of religion has
been to give superhuman legitimacy to these fragile structures.
two distinct criteria: 1. Religions hold that there is a superhuman order, which is not the product of human
whims or agreements.
2. Based on this superhuman order, religion establishes norms and values that it considers
binding. "
p. 195 It's for your own good : " Evolution has made Homo sapiens. like other
social mammals, a xenophobic creature. Sapiens instinctively divide humanity into two
parts, 'we' and 'they'. We are people like you and me, who share our language, religion and
customs. We are all responsible for each other, but not responsible for them. We were
always distinct from them, we owe them nothing. We don't want to see any of them in our
territory, and we don't care an iota what happens in their territory. They are barely even
human. "
p. 228 The Worship of Man : " if we take into consideration natural-law
religions, then modernity turns out to be an age of intense religious fervour, unparalleled
missionary efforts, and the bloodiest wars of religion in history. The modern age has
witnessed the rise of new natural-law religions, such as liberalism, Communism, capitalism,
nationalism, and Nazism. These creeds do not like to be called religions, and refer to
themselves as ideologies. But this is just a semantic exercise. If a religion is a system
of human norms and values that is founded on belief in a superhuman order, then Soviet
Communism was no less a religion than Islam. "
p. 242 Blind Clio : " Ever more scholars see cultures as a kind of mental
infection or parasite, with humans as its unwitting host. Organic parasites, such as
viruses, live inside the body of their host. They multiply and spread from one host to the
other, feeding off their hosts, weakening them, and sometimes killing them. As long as the
hosts live long enough to pass along the parasite, it cares little about the condition of
its host. In just this fashion, cultural ideas live inside the minds of humans. They
multiply and spread from one host to another, occasionally weakening the host and sometimes
even killing them. – can compel a human to dedicate his or her life to spreading that
idea, even at the price of death. The human dies, but the idea spreads. . Successful
cultures are those that excel in reproducing their memes, irrespective of the costs and
benefits to their human hosts. Similar arguments are common in the social sciences, under
the aegis of game theory. Game theory explains how in multi-player systems, views and
behaviour patterns that harm all players nevertheless manage to take root and spread.
"
It is about the Jews. But it's not just historical prejudices that affected the ancestors of
the Neocons. Amends could and have been made and life can go on. But Russia keeps messing
around by supporting every opponent of Israel. North Korea, Iran, Syria, one thing that ties
Russia's axis together is anti-Israelism.
And for all its faults, Congress is a solid supporter of Israel, as is Trump. Trump's
support of Israel and strong ties to Judaism (if he isn't Jewish he might as well be) were
obvious to those who were looking, but right after the campaign the "Russian collusion"
hysteria was strong and some people may not have understood it. (The Russian collusion thing
is hilarious because the antisemitic Hillary / Obama folks were the colluders.)
So people were surprised when Trump "reluctantly" agreed with Congress' sanctions.
Actually I am sure he was very happy to do so, and to some extent hit back for Russia's
efforts to elect his opponent among other things.
"... As far as Jews are concerned, this appears to be yet another red herring, like Russia-bashing. Are gentile Koch brothers or Walton family any better than the worst Jews in the US? They are just as selfish, greedy, and repulsive as George Soros or Sheldon Adelson. ..."
As far as Jews are concerned, this appears to be yet another red herring, like
Russia-bashing. Are gentile Koch brothers or Walton family any better than the worst Jews
in the US? They are just as selfish, greedy, and repulsive as George Soros or Sheldon
Adelson.
As I always say -- as repulsive and debilitating Jewish influence on US body politic is,
this influence, now transformed in almost complete "intellectual" dominance, it wouldn't have
been possible without willing accomplices from radical Christian Zionists and a massive
corruption in the highest echelons of power.
Agree entirely -- a wholesale dumbing down of masses and even "elites" (both intentional
and not) is a direct result of liberalism as a whole.
The crisis is systemic and Jews are only one, however important, part of that. In the end,
Bolton is a practicing Lutheran but look at him -- the guy is completely mad. And I mean this
in purely psychiatric terms -- he has some real serious demons haunting him and I even have
suspicion about what some of those are. Just an example.
The rant of a coddled establishment chickenhawk, who is quite overrated, relative to the
positions accorded to him (Nasty people don't deserve kindness.)
Notable quotes:
"... When Tucker Carlson on his prime time program last July 11, 2017, demanded that Peters provide facts and figures for his accusations, Peters immediately exploded and implied that program host Carlson was a "Hitler apologist." It was a classic argument and instance of reductio ad Hitlerum. ..."
"... Ralph Peters is one of the nuttiest neocons around, and Fox was smart to dump him. I recall an article long ago where he suggested that the US Govt. should address the drug addition problem in the USA by assassinating drug dealers on the streets in the USA ..."
"... He lives off scraps from neocons by selling his soul for BS talking points and collects a monthly check from Uncle Sam after 20 years of sitting at a desk doing BS intel work, as I once did for a year. It seems he missed his chance at killing commies in Nam by touring Europe, as Fred Reed explained ..."
"... Last week, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, received well deserved praise for taking to task the permeating anti-Russian biases. The highlight of Carlson's exchanges was his encounter with Ralph Peters, who for years has spouted grossly inaccurate propaganda against Russia. Antiwar.com and Russia Insider, are among the counter-establishment English language venues commenting on the Carlson-Peters discussion. The US foreign policy establishment realist leaning National Interest carried a lengthy piece on Carlson's challenge to the neocon/neolib foreign policy perceptions. For the record, more can and should be said in reply to Peter's comments. ..."
"... Peters' characterization of Russia targeting civilian areas is disingenuous. Over the years, the matter of collateral damage is something periodically brought up in response to those killed by US and Israeli military actions. ..."
"... Some Kiev regime elements positively reference the 1995 Croat ethnic cleansing of Krajina Serbs (known as Operation Storm) as a solution for ending the rebel position in Donbass. Russia doesn't seek a massive refugee problem in Donbass and some other parts of the former Ukrainian SSR. As is, a sizeable number of Ukrainian residents have fled to Russia. ..."
Or, recall those on-camera Fox News Russia experts -- think here of General Jack Keane or
the unhinged Colonel Ralph Peters who literally foamed at the mouth when talking about Putin,
calling him "the new Hitler," and who asserted that Putin had committed "worse crimes" than the
German dictator. (Peters is so anti-Russian that he finally
left the Fox News network in March 2018 )
When Tucker Carlson on his prime time program last July 11, 2017, demanded that Peters
provide facts and figures for his accusations, Peters
immediately exploded and implied that program host Carlson was a "Hitler apologist." It was
a classic argument and instance of reductio ad Hitlerum.
Ralph Peters is one of the nuttiest neocons around, and Fox was smart to dump him. I recall
an article long ago where he suggested that the US Govt. should address the drug addition
problem in the USA by assassinating drug dealers on the streets in the USA.
He lives off scraps from neocons by selling his soul for BS talking points and collects a
monthly check from Uncle Sam after 20 years of sitting at a desk doing BS intel work, as I
once did for a year. It seems he missed his chance at killing commies in Nam by touring
Europe, as Fred Reed explained:
Last week, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, received well deserved praise for taking to
task the permeating anti-Russian biases. The highlight of Carlson's exchanges was his
encounter with Ralph Peters, who for years has spouted grossly inaccurate propaganda
against Russia. Antiwar.com and Russia Insider, are among the counter-establishment English
language venues commenting on the Carlson-Peters discussion. The US foreign policy
establishment realist leaning National Interest carried a lengthy piece on Carlson's
challenge to the neocon/neolib foreign policy perceptions. For the record, more can and
should be said in reply to Peter's comments.
Peters falsely claims that Russia hasn't made a concerted effort in confronting ISIS. In
one of his more accurate moments, CNN's Wolf Blitzer said that the ISIS claimed shoot down
of a Russian civilian airliner over Egypt, was in response to Russia's war against ISIS.
You've to be either a liar or clueless to not recognize why Russia has actively opposed
ISIS. The latter sees Russia as an enemy, while having a good number of individuals with
roots in Russia and some other parts of the former USSR.
Peters' characterization of Russia targeting civilian areas is disingenuous. Over the
years, the matter of collateral damage is something periodically brought up in response to
those killed by US and Israeli military actions.
Peters offers no proof to his suspect claim that Russian President Vladimir Putin kills
journalists. There're numerous anti-Putin advocates alive and well in Russia. That country
does have a violence problem. Recall what the US was like in the 1960s thru early
1970′s. For that matter, Bernie Sanders isn't blamed for the pro-Sanders person who
attempted to kill Republican lawmakers.
Given the situations concerning Kosovo and northern Cyprus, Peters is being a flat out
hypocrite regarding Crimea. Donbass is a civil conflict involving some Russian support for
the rebels, who're overwhelmingly from the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR. These
individuals have a realistic basis to oppose the Kiev based regimes that came after the
overthrow of a democratically elected Ukrainian president.
During the American Revolution, most of the pro-British fighters were said to be
colonists already based in America. Furthermore, the American revolutionaries received
significant support from France. With these factors in mind, the Donbass rebels don't seem
less legit than the American revolutionaries.
Some Kiev regime elements positively reference the 1995 Croat ethnic cleansing of
Krajina Serbs (known as Operation Storm) as a solution for ending the rebel position in
Donbass. Russia doesn't seek a massive refugee problem in Donbass and some other parts of
the former Ukrainian SSR. As is, a sizeable number of Ukrainian residents have fled to
Russia.
Putin isn't anti-US in the manner claimed by Peters. Moreover, Peters is clearly more
anti-Russian (in a narrow minded way at that) than what can be reasonably said of how Putin
views the US. Putin's obvious differences with neocons, neolibs and flat out Russia haters
isn't by default anti-US. He was the first foreign leader to console the US following 9/11.
The Russian president has been consistently on record for favoring better US-Russian ties
(even inquiring about Russia joining NATO at one point), thereby explaining why he has
appeared to have preferred Trump over Clinton.
Some (including Trump) disagree with that view, which includes the notion that the
Russians (by and large) prefer predictability. As a general rule this is otherwise true.
However, Clinton's neocon/neolib stated views on Russia have been to the point where many
Russians felt willing to take a chance with Trump, whose campaign included a comparatively
more sympathetic take of their country. At the same time, a good number of Russians
questioned whether Trump would maintain that stance.
Look up Rostislav Ishenko's latest excellent piece yesterday:
I did, and as usual Ishenko takes an oblique approach that shines a light into obscure but
critical corners.
What an eye opener this one is.
Not sure how much was lost in translation, but if I understood correctly the Russians are
massing forces in the Western District, not because they fear an attack from NATO, or plan to
attack Europe but to rescue Europe from a conflagration that will be sparked in Ukraine. That
it was drifting into failed state status is well known, but that a religious war is in the
offing was utterly unknown to me, and I suspect to most others here.
That in turn shines a light on why Poland and the Baltics are begging for US/NATO troops
as well, and at least partially why US/NATO is delivering. As Ukraine drifts into chaos, its
neighbours, being aware of its history of extreme violence and atrocity are preparing
themselves for the spillover. They have no desire to relive the decade+ blood orgy that
erupted in the middle of the 20th C centred on Ukraine (where, IMHO, the real Holocaust
happened).
Overwhelming force applied at an overwhelming pace is the best way of dealing with such an
outbreak, and the Russians are the only party able to deliver. US/NATO forces can be expected
to roar around in their APCs avoiding trouble and then claim credit in accordance with
Western military tradition. Meanwhile, the Russians will go into mopping up the
leftovers.
Makes a lot of sense if Ishchenko's read of the situation is right. It probably has a
bigger impact on Dunford's and Gerasimov's meeting than the USM "going home".
Whew!
PS: Yes, I was aware of the Russian central bank selling off its USTs. With the Petro-Yuan
and Western sanctions now in full swing, it really doesn't need $100B's worth to manage its
U$ denominated imports.
An argument that people use against the spontaneous occurrence of life is that there is
almost zero chance of the right amino acids joining up. Anyone who has worked with string and
cables knows that they have a quite extraordinary, almost uncanny, ability to get tangled up
together. Before life happened, there were no bacteria to destroy emerging complexes of amino
acids. (It has been shown that inorganic materials given the sort of conditions that the
newly born planet would have had, can give rise to amino acids.) Also "almost zero chance"
taken an almost infinite number of times over a very long period, adds up to a quite good
chance.
the probability of an emergence of any protein by chance is virtually nil.
probability
that's a tricky word, eh?
from what I've glimmered, it isn't proteins or even amino acids that people wonder over
their original emergence by chance, but rather the (miraculous) DNA molecule itself.
How did those four amino acids arrange themselves in just that way?
The structure seems positively preternatural, and when it comes to the probability of such
an 'accident', how likely was that?
The argument for creationism as far as I've heard it posited, is that our earth was
'seeded' with the DNA molecule, (as presumably other planets throughout the universe were as
well), and that this was done by some intelligent (or otherwise deliberate) agent. (G0d?)
When you look at the DNA molecule, and ponder its probability, what is the likelihood that
it sprang from the ooze by happenstance?
Tell you what, you almost hit the nail on the head. The four bases of DNA could have
appeared by chance in the primordial soup, got linked to deoxyribose and phosphates, and even
got connected in various sequences. The hardest thing to explain is how the system that
converts DNA to messenger RNA and especially the one that then translates RNA sequence into
protein sequence (ribosomes with the supply of transfer RNAs for different codons and amino
acids) emerged. I am not aware of any good model explaining that. My point is that
hypothesizing that this was designed by some intelligent agency does not solve the problem:
next you need to explain how that agency emerged. The answer that this agency (say, God) is
eternal is essentially cheating: this answer would suffice for ribosomes, but it would be
just as unsatisfying for a logically thinking person.
"... While not being a fan of Stalin, I acknowledge that only the people who rose to the top before Bolsheviks took power were good for anything. Those who rose after, from Khruschev on, were worthless nonentities. I consider this negative selection of leaders as one of the drawbacks of the Soviet system. ..."
Compared to modern western leaders Kruschev was rather good leader and Brezhnev is
downright genius. I was and am actually fond of Dear Leonid Iliich. So I believe it is not a
matter of social political organization but systematic and probably human feature.
The West has been producing non entities, idiots and morons at the top with unerring
consistency. It is just that conditions in the West are far more forgiving than in Russia.
Also we have not mentioned destruction and suffering caused by war in ussr somewhat lagging
in few aspects of life standards. Socialism slogan is from everyone by their abilities to
everyone for their contribution.
Hence obviously hardworking and better contributing people should be rewarded especially
like in Stalin times via glorifying and promoting them to higher status. Stahanov movement
comes to mind.
I think Stalin genius is underappreciated. Regarding weapons manufacturing I believe it
was a matter of great patriotic war shock.
That war in every respect has caused great damage to us including probably due to huge
loss of Tim and best human material laying foundation for further problems. Stalin wasted
8-10 years of his life to first win the war and then rebuild the country. Imagine no war. I
am pretty sure there would be no 1991.
While not being a fan of Stalin, I acknowledge that only the people who rose to the
top before Bolsheviks took power were good for anything. Those who rose after, from Khruschev
on, were worthless nonentities. I consider this negative selection of leaders as one of the
drawbacks of the Soviet system.
Materially the people in some Western countries lived better than the Soviet people.
However, the difference was ~2-3-fold at best, not 10+-fold as many in the USSR believed, and
there were (and are) very few countries with higher living standards than Russia. As far as
psychological wellbeing is concerned, the USSR compared to the West even better, except for
the people with excellent education and willingness to work hard, like me. That's the PR
campaign Soviet authorities lost to their peril: the support of better intellectually
equipped and the most active people.
I agree that nobody, even the laziest and most useless, should go hungry today, but the
difference between what those get and what hard-working people get should be many-fold.
Otherwise, the society provides disincentive for the people who can contribute, dragging
itself down.
Also, USSR should have paid more attention to the production of consumer goods, even if it
meant fewer tanks and artillery pieces. It's policies made all these tanks useless, anyway,
not to mention that today these tanks and other military hardware is used against Russia by
former "brothers" (with "bothers" like that, who needs enemies).
I agree that the people who went to college in Soviet times are better educated and more
creative than recent graduates. I am pretty sure that recent successes of Russian MIC are
largely due to the Soviet legacy. We'll see what happens next, as "effective managers" they
are cranking out now are totally useless in real life.
My personal opinion: it is exactly "Paris is worth a mass" conversion. It is based on
Putin's actions, which suggest a very pragmatic (you can say cynical) person, who has the
benefits of his country in mind (rather, who believes that benefits for his country are the
best benefits for him). I could be wrong, though.
The point is that Putin realizes that the Orthodox faith is the cultural framework of
the Russian nation; its development historically, socially and culturally rest in the hands
Orthodox Christianity.
No, it's not. No one can enter the same river twice. Russia will thankfully never go back
to its Orthodox roots completely, although Orthodoxy will co-exist peacefully within the
secular society. Putin's public insistence on rituals of the Orthodox faith is one of his
least attractive features.
Thankfully that chapter of history is over
It's not over until it's over. This sentence of yours simply shows how misunderstood the
Soviet period of the Russian history is in the West.
The Soviet Union has been gone for more than a quarter of a century and yet it is -- to
borrow a phrase from a popular Soviet song -- is more alive than the living. The Soviet
period has become a sort of a yardstick against which the modern Russia is compared in every
area: culture, economy, moral climate, everything.
It is a universal agreement that in many areas Russia doesn't measure up to the Soviet
standards -- culture and education are the prime examples. Hardly anyone in Russia would
disagree that in 25 years Russia hasn't produced anything even remotely comparable with the
Soviet achievements in this spheres. Until it does -- the Soviet Union will live one.
@Quartermaster While there is some "hysteria" when it comes to Russia, there is also much
truth out there, some of which the author is willing to write off as little more than
conspiracy theories.
It is passing strange that those who have strongly criticized Putin have ended up dead.
Anytime one appears to be a serious threat to Putin's position they end up dead. It is possible
that Putin isn't responsible, but given the numbers and the circumstances, it is likely he
knows what is going on.
While Putin was never head of the KGB, much of what he has been up to was learned form iron
Felix's organization. To say Putin is a KGB thug is far from being out of line.
What he has done in Ukraine should make the man, and the country he heads, a pariah. Eastern
Europe is right to be concerned. The fact that Putin has stated, rather pointedly, that the
extent of the USSR is Russia makes the accusation of him being a Soviet revanchist appropriate
as well.
Much of what the author seeks to write off as hysteria, isn't. That "hysteria" is a proper
concern for what Putin is up to, and what he intends. Fortunately, Russia is too impoverished
to all Putin to realize his neo-Tsarist empire. And in pursuing his self-aggrandizing path, he
impoverishes his people even more.
"Neo-Tsarist empire." Ha, that's rich. Congrats, you've managed to outdo even the most
unhinged anti-Putin elements of the l'chaimstream media.
"impoverishes his people even more." You mean be improving their lives as measured by
virtually every metric since kicking out the (((Russian))) banksters and their (((American)))
advisers who were robbing the place blind? Dude, you're delusional. Go peddle your nonsense
elsewhere.
It is passing strange that those who have strongly criticized Putin have ended up
dead.
The logic of this is fascinating in its perversity. Lot's of people who don't criticize
Putin at all or downright admire him die including under unclear circumstances – the
West just doesn't notice. For example, several Russian diplomat have died suddenly and
prematurely in various countries – out UN representative Churkin would be the prime
example. Can you imaging how many wonderful conspiracy theories we could have concocted
should we be so inclined?
It's the same exact "logic" ridiculed in "conclusions" like this: "Everyone who eats
cucumbers dies". And those who don't live forever?
What he has done in Ukraine should make the man, and the country he heads, a pariah.
He, meaning Putin, hasn't done anything in Ukraine – the West did. The West
organized and supported a coup bringing to the power a super-corrupt illegitimate
"government" that relies on armed neo-Nazi groups for the control of the county. Now Ukraine
is a failed state with the dominant neo-Nazi ideology, nonexistent economy, impoverished and
fleeing population and repressive political system, not to mention a civil war. All Putin did
was to resist this development as much as possible, and I do not believe he should be blamed
for that.
Why (Oh Why) do they hate the Russians so much? Let me try to answer that question. Most
armies in history were created for the purpose of enriching the host country by looting
foreign lands. US are bucking that trend – they have an army that's looting mostly the
host country for enriching the same army and those who support it (domestically).
Also, the best armies in history usually belonged to whoever happened to be the economic
powerhouse at the moment – examples are too many to list them all – ancient Rome,
Great Britain 16-19 century, France 19 century, Germany 19-20 century.
There are exceptions to this rule, of course – Genghis Khan – the Mongols
hardly an economic powerhouse, yet a number one military power of its time.
Then we come to Russia. I don't know when exactly Russia underwent the Genghis Khanisation
process, but it's apparent that they did and it served them well throughout their history.
Meaning that their army usually outperforms their economy, and that's what's driving the west
mad at least since Napoleon's times.
They think that Russia doesn't deserve to be a powerhouse like they are thanks to their
military, because they believe that other than their military, the Russians are culturally,
economically, civilizationally, and yes – even genetically inferior to the west.
Tough luck, chums. I have one answer to that: Maybe it's not Russia's fault that
militarily they have always managed to outperform the west. Maybe the fault lies with you.
How can you blame Russia for the fact that your armies suck? But, as they say in the US
– you got to support the troops.
"... Vladimir Putin is NO historian and his fascination with Solzhenitsyn is not a healthy one. Nobody denies the role of Jews (positive, as well as negative) in Russian History but Russia's history is a bit more complex than some Manichean struggle between evil Jews and noble Russian Orthodox Christians. In fact, it is infinitely more complex. ..."
...Moreover, Vladimir Putin is NO historian and his fascination with Solzhenitsyn is
not a healthy one. Nobody denies the role of Jews (positive, as well as negative) in Russian
History but Russia's history is a bit more complex than some Manichean struggle between evil
Jews and noble Russian Orthodox Christians. In fact, it is infinitely more complex.
But if you want to view it as one unstoppable Jewish juggernaut against Christ-loving
Russians, who am I to suggest to you otherwise.
So Boyd D. Cathey
claims that the main reason of anti-russian hysteria is that Russia represents an obstacle to
establishing global US domninance -- a global neoliberal empire led by the USA.
Notable quotes:
"... Consider the recent -- but largely unreported -- formation of an umbrella group, the Renew Democracy Initiative (RDI), with the goal of "uni[ting] the center-left and the center-right." Its leaders include former John McCain foreign policy advisor Max Boot, The Washington Post ..."
"... When Tucker Carlson on his prime time program last July 11, 2017, demanded that Peters provide facts and figures for his accusations, Peters immediately exploded and implied that program host Carlson was a "Hitler apologist." It was a classic argument and instance of reductio ad Hitlerum ..."
"... National Review ..."
"... The Weekly Standard ..."
"... Indeed, another ploy by Neocon pundits (and Congress) has been to parade Bill Browder, the grandson of American Communist Party boss Earl Browder, as a star witness to President Putin's nefarious dealings. Of course, it should be noted that Browder fils ..."
"... Two Hundred Years Together ..."
"... The End of Europe: Dictators, Demagogues, and the Coming Dark Age, ..."
"... Beyond the ideological foundations for their hatred of nationalist Russia are economic considerations and the issue of who controls and manages the Russian economy: Wall Street and Bruxelles, or ..."
"... More, for the past twenty-five years Russia has experienced the poisoned tip of Islamic terrorism, domestically, including the brutal war in Tchechnya in the Caucasus region and the horrid bombings in the heart of the country, Moscow. From the beginning of his tenure Putin has offered to cooperate with the United States in the fight against international Islamic terror, but each time it was the United States -- us -- who refused, including famously Paul Wolfowitz during the George W. Bush administration who replied to one such offer: "We don't need your assistance or intel." ..."
"... as Neocon Charles Krauthammer once declared: "We live in a unipolar world today, and there is only ONE superpower, and that is the United States." That attitude was not received with equanimity by post-Communist Russia, a Russia that has discovered its heritage and its traditions and has asked for partnership with the United States, and not the hysteria we have witnessed in the United States sweeping aside all rationality. ..."
Almost one year ago the United States Congress (with only a handful of "nay" votes)
adopted
new and severe sanctions against Russia for its supposed attempt to influence and interfere
in the 2016 national elections. Included in that legislation was a provision -- specifically
placed there by Russophobe Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC) -- that President Trump cannot alter
or lift any of the sanctions without future Congressional approbation.
The government of Vladimir Putin, in response to this provocation, announced that the
American diplomatic presence in Russia would be reduced by 755 persons, a drastic move by any
standards. But we cannot say it was unexpected -- or undeserved.
That sanctions vote was fascinating as it illustrated during the first year of the
contentious Trump presidency a rare point of political unity between the socialist
Left, the Democrats and the mainstream media -- formerly noted for their "soft" and favorable
attitude to the old and unloved Soviet Communist Russian regime -- and the conservative/GOP
mainstream, dominated by the Neoconservatives. Of course, perspectives and approaches to the
question differ, whether it was the Trump campaign that was colluding with Moscow, or if it was
Hillary and the Clinton Foundation that had collaborated in some way, but their target remained
the same: that man in the Kremlin and the country he governs.
One thing was clear: the result of the 2016 presidential election had the most unheard of
and remarkable result in recent American political history: a de facto alliance of
these supposedly antipodal political forces. And what we have witnessed is a phalanx of the
pseudo-Right Neocons and the formerly pro-Soviet Left linked together, competing to see who
could be more "anti" and who could come up with the more far-fetched Russia conspiracy
theories, and -- as with the 2017 sanctions -- the latest unwarranted, over the top
legislation.
Consider the recent -- but largely unreported -- formation of an umbrella group, the
Renew Democracy Initiative (RDI), with the goal of "uni[ting] the center-left and the
center-right." Its leaders include former John McCain foreign policy advisor Max Boot, The
Washington Post 's Anne Appelbaum, Never Trumper Bill Kristol, former chess wizard Gary
Kasparov, and Richard Hurwitz of Council on Foreign Relations. [See " Neocons &
Russiagaters Unite! ," April 27, 2018] RDI's manifesto calls for "fresh thinking" and urges
"the best minds from different countries to come together for both broad and discrete projects
in the service of liberty and democracy in the West and beyond . Liberal democracy is in crisis
around the world, besieged by authoritarianism, nationalism, and other illiberal forces.
Far-right parties are gaining traction in Europe, Vladimir Putin tightens his grip on Russia
and undermines democracy abroad, and America struggles with poisonous threats from the right
and left."
Or, recall those on-camera Fox News Russia experts -- think here of General Jack Keane or
the unhinged Colonel Ralph Peters who literally foamed at the mouth when talking about Putin,
calling him "the new Hitler," and who asserted that Putin had committed "worse crimes" than the
German dictator. (Peters is so anti-Russian that he finally
left the Fox News network in March 2018 )
When Tucker Carlson on his prime time program last July 11, 2017, demanded that Peters
provide facts and figures for his accusations, Peters
immediately exploded and implied that program host Carlson was a "Hitler apologist." It was
a classic argument and instance of reductio ad Hitlerum .
Of course, such examples aren't rare in the establishment "conservative movement" media.
Pick up any issue of National Review or The Weekly Standard or listen to the
Glenn Beck radio program and you can find the same hysteria, largely laced with faked quotes or
disinformation (e.g., "Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet Union" or "Putin was
head of the KGB" or "Putin has had his enemies assassinated," and so on, ad
nauseum ).
Indeed, another ploy by Neocon pundits (and Congress) has been to parade Bill Browder,
the grandson of American Communist Party boss Earl Browder, as a star witness to President
Putin's nefarious dealings. Of course, it should be noted that Browder fils lost big
time financially in his manipulations in Russia, as investigative journalists Philip
Giraldi and Robert
Parry have documented, and he is engaged in a vicious personal vendetta against Vladimir
Putin.
For the Neoconservative leaders of what passes for "conservatism" these days, it is as if
nothing has changed since 1991, since the ignominious fall of Communism. It's even
arguable that their hostility to Moscow has increased since then.
Let me suggest several reasons for this: First, many of the more prominent Neoconservatives
descend from Russian Jews from the Pale of Settlement, whose memories go back to the
pre-Communist days of persecution and pogroms under the Tsars. They originally welcomed Lenin
and the Communist regime as liberators and formed some of its staunchest supporters and
apparatchiks in the regime of terror that followed (especially in the Cheka and KGB) until
Josef Stalin unleashed a wave of anti-semitism after World War II. [See the partially
translated excerpts from Solzhenitsyn's Two Hundred Years Together at: https://200yearstogether.wordpress.com , and the
commentary
]
Putin, despite his strong support from native Russian Jews and from the Moscow Rabbinate, is
a Russian nationalist and fervent supporter of the traditionalist Russian Orthodox Church, and
those two factors bring up painful memories of the "bad old days" of discrimination and Jewish
persecution for the Neocons.
A prime example of this comes in a recent volume authored by prominent Neocon journalist and
homosexual activist (yes, the two traits often seem to go together), James Kirchick: The
End of Europe: Dictators, Demagogues, and the Coming Dark Age, 2017). In his jumble of
Neocon ideology and prejudice, Kirchick evaluates what for him seems to be happening ominously
in Europe. He is deeply fearful of the efforts to "close borders" against Muslim immigrants
from the Middle East. He blasts Marine Le Pen as a racist -- and most likely a subtle
"holocaust denier!" -- and attacks the attempts in places like Hungary and Poland to reassert
national traditions and Christian identity;
for him these are nothing less than attempts to bring back "fascism."
Russia comes in for perhaps his harshest criticism, and the reason is unmistakable: Russia
seems to be returning to its older national and pre-Communist heritage, to its age-old Orthodox
Christian faith. Russians are returning by the millions to the church and the "old-time"
religion. For Kirchick this can only mean one thing: the triumph of bigotry, anti-semitism, and
"extreme right wing" ideology, and the failure of what he terms "liberal democracy and
equality" (including, he would no doubt include, feminism, same sex marriage, across-the-board
equality, and all those other "conservative values"!).
Kirchick's critique, shared by many of the leaders of the national Republican Party and
dominating the pages of most establishment "conservative" publications and talk radio these
days, joins him arm-in-arm with globalist George Soros in efforts to undermine the Russian
state and its president all in the name of "democracy" and "equality." [See, " George Soros Aghast
as Collapsing EU, while Russia Resurgent, " January 19, 2018]
But, just what kind of "democracy" and what kind of "equality" do Kirchick and Soros
defend?
Beyond the ideological foundations for their hatred of nationalist Russia are economic
considerations and the issue of who controls and manages the Russian economy: Wall Street and
Bruxelles, or Russia, itself. Unlike the weak and pliant Boris Yeltsin, Putin the
nationalist ended the strangle-hold of Russian industry, in particular control of Russia's
important energy sector, by those few international businessmen, the oligarchs (many of them
Jewish), most of whom fled the country. That could not stand! How dare Russia -- and its
president -- oppose the economic diktats of Bruxelles and Wall Street!
Lastly, we should add one more reason for hostility, and that is Russia's remaining
international presence, in particular, in Syria. It is very simple: you don't go from being one
of the world's two "superpowers" to all of a sudden a second-rate, economically-handicapped
"has been" without some remorse. As a patriot and nationalist President Putin has,
understandably, attempted to reassert Russian prosperity and power -- certainly, not as much or
in the same manner as the old Communist leaders. But, from his reasonable point of view, the
largest country in the world does have interests, and not just in what goes on in neighboring
nations where millions of Russians (formerly within Russia) reside, but also with long-time
allies such as Syria.
Is not this same criterion true for the United States and its dealings with its neighbors
and allies?
More, for the past twenty-five years Russia has experienced the poisoned tip of Islamic
terrorism, domestically, including the brutal war in Tchechnya in the Caucasus region and the
horrid bombings in the heart of the country, Moscow. From the beginning of his tenure Putin has
offered to cooperate with the United States in the fight against international Islamic terror,
but each time it was the United States -- us -- who refused, including famously Paul Wolfowitz
during the George W. Bush administration who replied to one such offer: "We don't need your
assistance or intel." And thus, the revealing files on the Tsarnaev brothers (Boston
bombing) were not received.
But, as Neocon Charles Krauthammer once declared: "We live in a unipolar world today,
and there is only ONE superpower, and that is the United States." That attitude was not
received with equanimity by post-Communist Russia, a Russia that has discovered its heritage
and its traditions and has asked for partnership with the United States, and not the hysteria
we have witnessed in the United States sweeping aside all rationality.
The late Richard Pipes wasn't incorrect in his assertion that the image of a foreign
intervention on the side of the Russian Civil War era Whites is a matter that has been quite
bloated from reality.
The Germans did more for the Reds than just transport Lenin from Zurich to Petrograd.
There was also the concerted soft power anti-White/pro-Red left activism in the West, as well
as some other matters mentioned in these non-JRL promoted pieces:
The Jacobin piece linked at the very top of this note makes some broad inaccuracies on the
Russian Civil War era violence. There was plenty of such on the side of the Reds, which BTW
adversely affected a good number of Jews.
Towards the end of the Russian Civil War, the more objective of historians on this issue
note that the Whites had noticeably maintained a better discipline of its forces concerning
the issues of looting and violence. A hypothetical White victory wasn't destine for a
Nazi/Nazi light scenario. One notes the exiled manner of many Whites including Anton Denikin
and Peter Wrangel.
The pogroms against the Jews in Russian Civil War era Ukraine happened before the Whites
established a primary base there. These pogroms included involvement from the forces loyal to
Ukrainian nationalist leader Symon Petliura, as well as some locals.
Much of the historical accounting on this subject says that Petliura's forces were the
most violent among Russian Civil War era combatants against the Jews. In more recent years,
there seems to be an increase of claims stating differently -- which appear a blend of
questionably biased views from some on the left and others (not necessarily on the left)
taking an anti-White/pro-Petliura stance.
I'm not sure how pro-White Pipes was as suggested by the leftist author of the above
linked Jacobin piece. I recall Pipes saying rather rather derisively that US based Russian
studies programs had at one time been more influenced by the Whites. Whatever the degree of
that being true has declined as the svidomite (Ukrainian nationalist anti-Russian view) has
gotten greater academic play (Motyl, Kuzio, et al), mixed in with the leftist and JRL court
appointed Russia friendly syndromes.
Quite a few grant-eating "liberals" inside Russia speak the language, but this does not
make them any more competent. Basically, they illustrate the saying that "he, who pays the
musicians, calls the tune". The same applies to "Russia scholars" residing in the US,
regardless of their language proficiency.
Here, I have to politely disagree since Russian "liberals" both grant-supported and ones
that are not is a separate animal altogether. Firs, most of them, grants or no grants, are
the real deal, they got grants because they are the real deal, not the other way around, and
causality in this case really matters. I don't need even to know if Mr. Nekrasov or Gozman
are grant-eaters, their hatred of everything Russian is palpable. The only weaker feeling
than hatred they have is contempt. This cannot be hidden -- it shines through. They do it for
the idea and grants are just a bonus. It all goes back to Russian "Westerners" and liberals
about whom Tyutchev (IIRC) left a profound paragraph.
I guess we have to agree to disagree on this. My point is, all these "ideological
Russia-haters" eat at least three times a day, and they are used to eating well (no McDonalds
burgers for them, they prefer filet mignon). Yes, there is a long history of fights between
"Westerners" and "Slavophiles" in Russia, going even before Tyutchev. However, being a
"Westerner" one does not have to be a traitor. For example, Peter the Great was a
"Westerner", yet he was clearly a Russian patriot (even though he was not quite Russian by
blood). Whereas all this scum are traitors. In the US they would be compelled by the law to
register as foreign agents.
We are talking about the same thing with different words. My point is simply that there
are whores who do it for money and there are whores who do it for both money and
pleasure.
You are right. I am saying this as a biologist. The two genders in mammals ensure
reproduction. I believe that sexual attraction to the same gender, as well as a desire to
change one's gender, are symptoms of mental disorder. This does not mean that these mental
patients should be discriminated against (like we don't discriminate against people suffering
from depression or schizophrenia), but there are certain limitations imposed by their
condition (say, we don't let blind people drive cars or pilot airplanes: this is not
discrimination, this is protection of other members of the society). I was once told by a
"progressive" true believer in political correctness that of course gay people in a straight
society look strange. I pointed out that gay society cannot exist, it would die out in one
generation, as all people, straight and gay, can only be produced by a heterosexual act. Even
in case of artificial in vitro fertilization, you have to mix eggs with sperm, not eggs with
eggs or sperm with sperm -- this is basic biology, nature does not give a hoot about
politically correct BS.
We don't know. Mental disorders usually have a genetic component, so likely this one has
it. Non-genetic (environmental) component would be important, too. Say, if you put too many
male mice in one cage and don't feed them enough, some males will try to f..k other
males.
Stress makes pretty much any mammal go crazy. However, because of political correctness,
no real study of this subject is possible.
No researcher would put his/her career in jeopardy, especially considering how many other
interesting problems there are in biology; no government agency would fund an honest study,
as they don't want a backlash from the PC crowd. So, we have to wait for the societies that
are not afflicted by the rot of PC, such as Russia or China, to develop to the point when
someone focuses on that particular problem.
"... However mad Bolton might be, most card-carrying Russophobs and neocons are not crazy: they are cynical people without scruples working for money. ..."
Yes, sick ideology often attracts nutcases. I know a guy in Ukraine with a history of
mental illness who is a staunch supporter of current "president" Poroshenko.
However mad Bolton might be, most card-carrying Russophobs and neocons are not crazy:
they are cynical people without scruples working for money. Say, Hillary Clinton or Mike
Pompeo are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, but they are not too mad or too stupid
to understand the reality. They are simply greedy scum paid to do the hatched job. The same
applies to most current politicians involved in the smear campaign against Russia. The
greatest sin of Russia and Putin is that they got in the way of thieves who wanted to loot
the whole world but encountered resistance. Assad in Syria, Iran, North Korea, China, and
Venezuela committed the same sin: got between the thieves and their intended loot.
No, it doesn't and, in fact, American military record of imperial adventures in second
half of XX-early XXI century, once one discounts this turkey shoot of incompetent Iraq
military in the Gulf Wars, is rather dismal. Including in the times when the US actually did
have wherewithal to fight (relatively) big wars.
Today the United States is a bankrupt state with over-stretched military and grossly
overrated technological and operational capabilities.
Empire needs military power -- NOBODY in the US top political echelons today, with some
very-very few exceptions (fingers on one hand will be enough to count them), understands the
nature of military power nor knows how to use it.
In other words -- they are incompetent. This competence, or lack thereof, is also the part
of the capability.
"... The Joy of Freedom: An Economist's Odyssey ..."
"... This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Zen Cash ; The War State , by Mike Swanson; WallStreetWindow.com ; Roberts and Roberts Brokerage Inc. ; NoDev NoOps NoIT , by Hussein Badakhchani; LibertyStickers.com ; and ExpandDesigns.com/Scott . ..."
David Henderson joins the show to talk about the consequences of war for the American
economy and the world political order. Henderson explains that many of the intrusive powers the
state has today are the result of major crises, during which the state seizes some new power,
and then after the crisis gives up much of that power again -- but not all of it. Over time
these powers accumulate into the government we have today. The nascent income tax, for
instance, was raised all the way to 77% for top earners during World War I, and then
'generously' lowered closer to modern levels after the war ended. Railroads were nationalized
around the same time, and then privatized afterward but with much more regulation. Henderson
identifies three crises that had the most impact in this area: World War I, the Great
Depression, and World War II. War in particular has dire consequences for government power, as
demonstrated by the rise of Hitler's fascism in Europe and numerous socialist regimes in the
East, all as a direct result of the aftermath of World War I. He advocates a return to defense,
rather than offense, which would not only save American taxpayers billions each year, but would
also avoid the blowback with which we've become all too familiar.
David R. Henderson is a Research Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution and former
professor of Economics at the Graduate School of Business and Public Policy at the Naval
Postgraduate School. He is the author of The Joy of Freedom: An Economist's Odyssey . Read his work at DavidRHenderson.com and
AntiWar.com .
US doesn't have resources anymore of "going big". It is not realistically an option...
I know, and should probably have made it clearer that when faced with that
decision, the US will have to go home. The top levels of the USM pyramid know well the limits
of the box they've gotten themselves into. They've built the wrong force structure for the
world as it is and will be.
Madeleine Albright's famous question to Gen. Powell 'What's the point of having this
superb military you're always talking about if we can't use it?' can now be re-worded to
ask "What's the point of having this enormous military edifice and expenditure if it isn't
superb, or even effective?" The answer is that there is no point. Much of it can be
jettisoned without affecting the US' real strategic situation, and almost all of it if
its mandate were to be shrunk to defence of its homeland and close allies.
The recent 6hr meeting in Finland between Gerasimov and Dunford, is (I believe) likely to
have dealt with some of the parameters governing the USM's "going home". I can't even imagine
how they're gonna do this in an organized way, but it's in everybody's interest that it happens
as smoothly as possible. That those two seem to have built a professional rapport and even
understanding is heartening.
The recent 6hr meeting in Finland between Gerasimov and Dunford, is (I believe) likely
to have dealt with some of the parameters governing the USM's "going home"
Most likely, at least Dunford, unlike most of US establishment is professional. Look up
Rostislav Ishenko's latest excellent piece yesterday:
"... At the next level is the global benefactors(Profiteers): expensive war equipment makers, oil well production gear makers, robot makers, transport organizations, phantom for hire mercenary armies labor agencies, Democrat and Republican candidates managers to be placed on the "vote for 5 election" ballots, inventors of the fake, producers of "the fake" into propaganda, distributors of the propaganda designed fake news to masses in the public, and access managers who gate, for massive fees, lobbyist into see and deal with politicians, media giants, and power wielding bureaucrats. ..."
"... without globalism there is no neocon-ism, ..."
"... They will write laws, or get nations to sanction, start wars, regime change, terrorize, whatever to advance and to protect their exclusive right to competition free profit making); you might call it ownership of all of the factors of production by whatever means is necessary. ..."
Who cannot name the few corporations and their owners and directors that strongly support the neocon ideology on the Internet?
Which does the intelligence gathering (spying), which processes the data(data mining), which produces and sells OS(limits user
security), which makes sleuthing back doors for browsers and application software, which make the devices that negotiate the bits
between hardware (CPU) and software (OS), you know one bit for you the user and a duplicate bit of your bit for deep state intelligence
units.
At the next level is the global benefactors(Profiteers): expensive war equipment makers, oil well production gear makers,
robot makers, transport organizations, phantom for hire mercenary armies labor agencies, Democrat and Republican candidates managers
to be placed on the "vote for 5 election" ballots, inventors of the fake, producers of "the fake" into propaganda, distributors
of the propaganda designed fake news to masses in the public, and access managers who gate, for massive fees, lobbyist into see
and deal with politicians, media giants, and power wielding bureaucrats.
As I looked through this list I realized that if the public were to deny its elected government authority to support its neocon
capitalist, the entire economy would be forced to switch from Global to Domestic.. showering all kinds of benefits on the governed
sheep. No wonder the government is so insistent: without globalism there is no neocon-ism, without neocon-ism open
competition would flourish, the restrictions on human progress in copyrights and patents would disappear and prices would move
from controlled levels to competitive levels.
But I do not think the neocons are "ideologues"; unless lawless disregard for humanity in search of profit, is an ideology.
I am not even sure they are tightly organized, they are not colonist, they are monopolist (meaning any profit potential (tangible
or intangible) will soon belong to them or be within their control.
They will write laws, or get nations to sanction, start wars, regime change, terrorize, whatever to advance and to protect
their exclusive right to competition free profit making); you might call it ownership of all of the factors of production by whatever
means is necessary.
I look at them as capitalist, who have co-opted many different governments, who have forgone their humanity, who independently
profiteer, interactively, and for a multitude of different reasons, to produce a common collective set of extremely effective
outcomes
He reminds me of the professor character played by Walter Malthau in the movie Fail
Safe , which came out in the same year as another Cold War themed movie Dr.
Strangelove
Kind of like a broken clock, Pipes wasn't always wrong as noted in detail here:
Pipes and Soviet history are two incompatible entities. They do not relate to each-other
in anyway. Pipes' body of work, among many other things, is in the foundation of an American
decline today.
Consider the recent -- but largely unreported -- formation of an umbrella group, the Renew
Democracy Initiative (RDI), with the goal of "uni[ting] the center-left and the center-right."
Its leaders include former John McCain foreign policy advisor Max Boot, The Washington
Post 's Anne Appelbaum, Never Trumper Bill Kristol, former chess wizard Gary Kasparov, and
Richard Hurwitz of Council on Foreign Relations. [See " Neocons &
Russiagaters Unite! ," April 27, 2018] RDI's manifesto calls for "fresh thinking" and urges
"the best minds from different countries to come together for both broad and discrete projects
in the service of liberty and democracy in the West and beyond . Liberal democracy is in crisis
around the world, besieged by authoritarianism, nationalism, and other illiberal forces.
Far-right parties are gaining traction in Europe, Vladimir Putin tightens his grip on Russia
and undermines democracy abroad, and America struggles with poisonous threats from the right
and left."
My favorite part of the Renew Democracy Initiative's manifesto:
10. The extremists share a disdain for the globalism on which modern prosperity is
based. Whether they are far-left or far-right, they believe in top-down solutions to
problems that can best be resolved through greater freedom, competition, openness and
mobility . Both seek power without compromise or coalition and defer to the rule of law
only when it strengthens their own position. These illiberal forces embrace divisive
rhetoric that makes rational debate impossible. Indeed, they frequently reject established
facts and scientific reasoning in favor of conspiracy theories and malicious myths. Liberal
democracy must address the problems of those disadvantaged by economic change with
practical programs grounded in fact and reason.
Amazing! There are two parts to this. The "openness and mobility" is a nod towards their
status as rootless kosmopolity who destroy civil society and local communities in favor of a
permanent, mobile underclass. But they actually imply that globalism is bottom-up; that
globalism is the result of liberty and the free market. Such balls, these people.
The US elites (neocons are just one type of servants they hired)
ah, so it was Dubya all along!
what a clever little schemer he was! Pretending all that time to be dumb as a rock, and a
tool of organized Zionism, while he was using the neocons to his own advantage!
So while ((Wolfowitz and Feith and Pearl and Kristol)) were being schooled at the feet of
((Leo Strauss)), it was Dubya the college cheerleader all along who was the mastermind behind
the Project for a New American Century and 9/11 !
sure, Goldman Sachs and Hollywood get federal subsidies, but it's the (dying) American
middle class that has been exploiting the world's poor!
The hysterical US foreign policy in the last 10-15 years, with its mindless
suicidal aggressiveness, is in fact death throes of an Empire that resents going
down the drain,
what's been going down the drain has been the blood and tears and future of working class
Americans, forced to suit up their children to go slaughter innocent Arabs and others in a
transparent and treasonous policy intended to bolster Israel – at the direct and
catastrophic expense of America and the American people.
I wonder, as the American people are taxed to the tune of billions every year, to send to
Israel as tribute, is that also a case of US elites using Israel to their own devices? As
Americas roads and bridges crumble, and veterans are denied care?
Or, is it just possible, that the ((owners)) of the Federal Reserve Bank, have used that
printing press as a weapon to consolidate absolute power over the institutions of the
ZUSA?
Do you suppose that when France bombs Libya or menaces Syria, that they're doing it to
benefit the French elite? And that Israel is their dupe, who give them a pretext for doing
so? Or that the French (and British and Polish and Ukrainian, etc..) elite are getting their
marching orders from Jewish supremacist Zionists who're hell bent on using Gentile Christians
to slaughter Gentile Muslims while they laugh and count the shekels? Eh?
They are not. Lobbing for MIC does not require to be Jewish, although many Jews are talented
propagandists. Neocons and Zionists are more closely related, with Zionists being a subset of
Neocons
The "deep state" has always existed everywhere, and always will. It's a feature, not a
bug, depending on whether its interests coincide with the people's, or not. For example, many
of the Romanovs were installed via "deep state" palace coups.
But can we stop using the word "neocon" and simply start using the word "jews"
instead?
From the article:
>Renew Democracy Initiative (RDI) leaders include former John McCain foreign policy
advisor Max Boot, The Washington Post's Anne Appelbaum, Never Trumper Bill Kristol, former
chess wizard Gary Kasparov, and Richard Hurwitz of Council on Foreign Relations.
Every. Single. Time.
Oh, and about those Brits, I found it really interesting to know that all of the Royal
Family's men are circumcised, and it's not done medically as in the USA, it's done by a
Rabbi.
_at_ Quartermaster
>done in Ukraine
That was done by the USA. One of the primary architects of it was Victoria Nuland. She's
Jewish, in case you were wondering.
But can we stop using the word "neocon" and simply start using the word "jews"
instead?
no, because the worst neocons are Gentiles
And I say worst, because at least the Jews are doing what they consider to be 'best for
the Jews', as they foment war, and loot the US treasury of billions of dollars every year to
benefit their tribe.
Whereas the Gentile neocons are serving the Jewish supremacists at the direct of their own
tribe and nation.
Scum like Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, George Will, the entire membership of the GOP in
good standing with 'conservative Inc., Paul Ryan deserves a mention of his own, John McCain
and Lindsey, and all the rest of the rotten neocon Gentiles, who're far, far worse human
beings than Max Boot or William Kristol.
this is perhaps the most contemptible man alive. (even possibly edging out McCain!)
listen how at 1:38 -- 1:42 he advocates taking out all of Syria's defenses, which would of
course lead to the utter destabilization and ultimate carving up of Syria.
what this POS doesn't mention is that he, (and Dick Cheney and other Gentile scum)
are on the strategic board of Genie Energy, which is poised to make trillions of dollars
pumping oil out of Syria's Golan Heights. Which today is universally considered Syrian
territory. But if Assad falls, then that all changes in a heartbeat.
also look at him at 51 seconds in, drooling over the planned destruction of Lebanon by the
ZUS.
here he admits that he's an investor in 'energy and national security matters'
can you imagine a rich man advocating for the slaughter of untold innocents, including
American service men and women, in order to illegally and immorally steal a nations territory
so that he could profit by it with a few shekels more?
There aren't words..
He also was part of John McCain's presidential campaign.
The Jewish neocons are babes in the woods when it comes to the raw, treasonous evil of men
like Woolsey.
All of the verbage to tell us what we already know? That the alliance between the soft
neoliberal, the media and the neocons is all about the Jewish supremacist agenda.
That is to use the might of the US against those who oppose the plan for Greater Israel to
dominate the world thru endless wars and financial manipulation.
To destroy the entire Middle East to steal land, to control the political process in ALL
the countries on Earth particularly the West.
Look at the fake media ownership, the journalists, the "comics" , the sports owners,
academia. All jewish controlled and financed.
Putin is in the way. He's lucky to be alive still.
Sanctions are always a prelude to war. Sanctions are in fact an act of war. that's why
Russians have replaced Arabs as the go-to villains in propaganda and Hollywood movies.
To me it is all quite simple. FDR's aim was to rule the war with junior aides USSR, China and
a smaller Britain. Stalin had other ideas.
Even in 1946 FDR's main backer, Baruch pleaded for a world government, a USA government,
in my view. Deep State still tries to impose this world government.
Despite Trump 'America first' we see a Bolton in the White House, as many see 'the neocons
are back'.
Cannot see much difference between neocons and Deep State.
The big mistake of the British empire was unwillingness to realise that it could no longer
maintain the empire. This already began before 1914, when the two fleet standards became too
expensive, the one fleet standard expressed the inability to maintain the empire.
Obama was forcedto reduce the two war standard to one and half. What a half war
accomplishes we see in Syria. Alas, seldom in history did reason rule. If it will in the
present USA, I doubt it.
The neocons are a collection of sick, murderous, fanatical supremacist ideologues who have
turned the U.S. into the most despicable criminal regime on earth. Because of their control
and influence over the U.S. imperial military/political assets, combined with their
psychopathic mentality and ideology, these scumbags pose a clear threat to the entire world,
but especially to Russia and Europe (and to the U.S. itself, of course). The irony in all of
this is that, although these mostly Jewish bottom-feeders like to smear any foreign leader
they'd like to demonize as "the new Hitler" etc., they themselves are more nefarious and
dangerous to the planet than Hitler and his German Nazis ever were.
Nothing will change until the major members of the neocon collective start getting
individually singled out and receiving the harsh punishments they deserve.
"Cannot see much difference between neocons and Deep State."
And that means that the US Deep State can NOT have a Jewish creation, because it
existed a long time before 1948, a long time before 1939, a long time before the creation of
the Federal Reserve.
There is a reason that Neocons love Alexander Hamilton and Abraham Lincoln: the
former was an apologist for the nascent American Deep State, and the latter its perfect tool
right down to being ready and able to slaughter huge numbers of non-Elite whites so the then
virtually 100% WASP-in-blood Elite Deep State could totally control the growing nation.
The source of the American Deep State is the same as England's Deep State: Oliver
Cromwell's deal with Jews, a deal granting Jews special rights and privileges and made
precisely in order to have the money to wage total war to exterminate non-WASP white
Christian cultures and identities.
That is exactly what the Neocons are determined to continue, and they are correct whenever
they assert that they are being loyal to the history and heritage of the Puritans and of
Abraham Lincoln's Republican Party and of the US in the Spanish-American War, World War 1 and
World War 2.
What is different about today's Neocons and, say, the growing number of Jews with major
voices among the British Deep State at the height of Victorianism is that now the original
junior partner has become the acting partner, the dominant partner.
But the original alliance is the same.
You cannot separate the Neocon problem from the WASP problem. You cannot solve the Neocon
problem without also solving the WASP problem.
The business of the Zionist controlled U.S. gov is WAR and this has been the agenda since
1913 and the establishment of the Zionist FED and the Zionist IRS and thus began the WAR
agenda and the American people were set up to pay for the Zionist created wars and the
Zionist agenda of a Zionist NWO.
Thus the Zionists need an enemy and have created enemies where none existed, the case in
point being Russia and lesser created enemies the case in point being any given country in
the Mideast that Israel and the Zionists wish to destroy. In the case of Russia the Zionists
have the added incentive of trying to destroy a Christian country as Russia is now and
historically has been Christian with the exception of the Satanist Zionist takeover of Russia
in 1917 and the murder of some 60 million Russian people by the Satanist ie Zionist
communists.
The U.S. gov is under satanic Zionist control and proof of this is the fact that Israel
and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 and got away with and every thinking person
knows this to be the truth, may GOD help we the people of America.
From the other side of the Atlantic, what is the WASP problem ?
Whatever one thinks of the USA, protestants from NW Europe created the USA.
Their descendants, in my view, defend their culture.
Hardly any culture in the world goes under without a fight.
Some, maybe many, Germans, again the exception.
The Neocons are mad at Russia for standing in their way of taking over the world. All in the
name of "democracy" of course, nothing sinister there. Russia, and as a matter of fact, the
whole world stood by and let the US have their way for almost 25 years. What did they
accomplish? Diddly. So now, they want Russia to get out of the way for another (at least) 25
years, so they can spread some more "democracy". Let me tell you something, if they couldn't
do it with virtually no opposition between 1991 -2014, and on a trillion dollar "defence"
budgets, maybe there is something else that should be blamed other than Russia. Maybe it's
their incompetence.
There is a lot of truth in this piece, but I think that the overall spin is misleading.
Putin's orthodox faith (likely pretended; he seems to be too intelligent for a true
believer), history of Jewish persecution in Russia, etc., are secondary factors. The US
elites (neocons are just one type of servants they hired) are mad that the world refuses to
be unipolar. Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and many lesser countries, arouse
"righteous indignation" of the robbers because they refuse to let themselves be looted and
bossed by the US elites. All sorts of thieves joined the choir: Jewish and gentile, "right"
and "left", military and civilian, the only common denominator being that they stole a lot
and resent being thwarted from stealing even more.
Moreover, the almighty dollar is about to be exposed as a king with no clothes by various
countries switching the trade to their own currencies, undermining the Ponzi schemes of the
US dollar and US government debt. The hysterical US foreign policy in the last 10-15 years,
with its mindless suicidal aggressiveness, is in fact death throes of an Empire that resents
going down the drain, like all dominant Empires before it, but cannot do anything about
inevitable course of history.
War on the poor and defenseless, it what the Neocon and Zionist-puppet traitors do best.
Terrorists in Syria (white helmets) getting 7 million in new funding from Trump, just as
Russia warns of new chemical attack false flag is in the works. Must kill evil dicktater
Assad for protecting those Christians inside Syria
Russia Warns "Credible Information" Of Impending Staged Chemical Attack In Syria
Elites are robbing Americans and foreigners alike. In fact, the US population gets some
crumbs off elites' table, and enjoys higher living standards than it would have in fair
global competition.
The overall educational level and the level of awareness of what's going on in the world in
the US is dismal. Elites arranged that by maintaining pathetic education system and spreading
lies via MSM; ignorant sheep are more likely to obey, and to approve of persecution of those
"black sheep" who are less ignorant and don't buy the lies of the MSM. Did we see any
protests against "Patriot Act" that trampled the very foundations of our Constitution? Sheep
don't protest, they just follow the leader.
However, we have to remember that clueless ignoramus in the US gets 5-10 times more than
similarly clueless ignoramus in China or India. Bush junior was genuinely dumb, but would he
become US President without his family's ill-gotten riches, or without his ex-CIA chief daddy
becoming the President first? Of course not, most morons in the US never fly that high. The
only reason for his "success" is the fact that he was born into an elite family.
As far as Jews are concerned, this appears to be yet another red herring, like
Russia-bashing. Are gentile Koch brothers or Walton family any better than the worst Jews in
the US? They are just as selfish, greedy, and repulsive as George Soros or Sheldon
Adelson.
See comment 51:
The problem here and abroad are elites. Elites of any kind.
Elites are robbing Americans and foreigners alike. In fact, the US population gets some
crumbs off elites' table, and enjoys higher living standards than it would have in fair
global competition.
some perhaps, but the middle class is dying (literally in the case of middle aged white
men), and the working class is languishing.
It's true the 1% are gorging on a frenzy of corruption and graft, and a no doubt there are
a few who prosper by serving that class, but the Main Streets of America are not, in any way,
profiting off the exploitation of Africa or S. America or anywhere else. Indeed, it is them
that are being exploited.
The overall educational level and the level of awareness of what's going on in the world
in the US is dismal. Elites arranged that by maintaining pathetic education system and
spreading lies via MSM; ignorant sheep are more likely to obey
no argument there!
However, we have to remember that clueless ignoramus in the US gets 5-10 times more than
similarly clueless ignoramus in China or India.
India and China (and Ethiopia and Somalia and Mexico and Brazil and so many other places)
are not poor due to the oppression of Americans. Sure, Goldman Sachs and a thousand other
vultures and thieves have done a lot of damage, but no more that the leadership of those
respective lands.
Has India ever heard of birth control, (for God's sake!) Or Indonesia or a hundred other
places, like Haiti, that overbreed their finite resources and limited space until their
countries are reduced to shitholes.
If a coal miner in West Virginia is doing a little better than an Untouchable in India,
then trust me when I tell you I'm not going to blame the miner (or janitor or mechanic) in
America for the poverty in the corrupt and stupid third world.
As far as the suffering that the ZUSA has actually caused, and is causing in places like
Syria and Yemen, none of that is being done on behalf of the American people, but rather the
typical American is taxed to support these wars and atrocities on behalf of Israel or Saudi
Arabia, respectively.
The only reason for his "success" is the fact that he was born into an elite family.
recently I was ranting on the terrible folly of this very thing.
As far as Jews are concerned, this appears to be yet another red herring, like
Russia-bashing. Are gentile Koch brothers or Walton family any better than the worst Jews
in the US? They are just as selfish, greedy, and repulsive as George Soros or Sheldon
Adelson.
Yes, they're just as selfish and greedy, but they aren't as filled with genocidal
hatred.
It's because of Zionist Jews that Americans were dragged into both world wars.
It's because of Zionist Jews (and assorted corrupt Gentiles) that Israel (with help from
the CIA and ((media)), did 9/11, in order to plunge this century into horrors writ large like
the last Zio-century.
That there are legions of corrupt and soulless Gentiles willing and eager to jump on that
gravy train, is a shame and a sin, but it doesn't excuse the people who are the motivation
behind the wars.
The Kochs (and Chamber of Commerce and other Gentile scum) want massive immigration out of
pure, raw, insatiable greed.
Whereas the Jewish supremacist Zionists want it out of genocidal tribal hatreds.
The typical American middle and working class are ground into the dirt between these two
pillars of Satanic iniquity.
I agree with much of what you're saying, and it's true about the elites in general. But
the ZUSA is completely controlled by Zionist Jews, and I think that's pretty obvious.
This man knew that 9/11 was going to happen, if he wasn't part of the planning. And yet
look at how they abase themselves
"... "Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power." ..."
"... Wolfowitz's document was leaked before release, and its bald-faced call for Imperial conquest caused enough of a noise that it was hastily rewritten before its official release a month later. ..."
The personal viciousness of the Neocons' attacks on Putin and Russia may have something to do
with ancient memories (however false they may be), but the geopolitical & geo-economic
challenges that the US & West faces compels even good old-fashioned Anglo-Imperialists to
say nasty things about Russia.
Since Putin came to power, Russia has been working the Plan. Its strategic objectives are
to rejuvenate and consolidate the "Russian World" in Mackinder's Heartland, and from there to
leverage its enormous geographical size & natural resource base to become the
central power on the Eurasian continent. It's unique position culturally and geographically
allows it to aspire to being the Grand Arbiter of Eurasian affairs, the only nation able to
link the two ends of the continent geographically, economically and culturally.
When Wolfowitz wrote his now infamous words
"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the
territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that
posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new
regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from
dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to
generate global power."
he was channelling Mackinder who said
who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;
who rules the World-Island commands the world.
Wolfowitz's document was leaked before release, and its bald-faced call for Imperial
conquest caused enough of a noise that it was hastily rewritten before its official release a
month later.
The manner of the Wolfowitz Doctrine's emergence was a harbinger of the sort of half-assed
attempt at empire the US embarked on. When it comes to Empire building, one is well advised
to either Go Big, or Go Home. In the event, stretching its half-baked, incoherent doctrines
to the breaking point, a series of inevitable fiascos followed and what we're seeing now is
the last desperate attempts to keep its satraps onside by bamboozling their publics and
making it difficult for clear sighted politicians to lead their countries away from the
increasingly loud sucking sound coming out of Washington. As even that tactic is now failing,
the US will soon face another Go Big, or Go Home moment.
Exactly. "Elites" are doing it. They own Hollywood, too. Republicans like Trump, Ryan,
Graham aren't groveling before organized Int'l Jewry when they take orders from
"billionaires," not at all. It's Chamber of Commerce nerds they secretly answer to, you see,
not Int'l Jewry's Wall Street and Fed, whose business is tricking a profit from honest
American labor wherever it's found, while (apparently for laughs) calling this extortion the
efficient allocation of scarce financial resources. It's all so farcically obvious at this
point yet Conservatism Inc is telling us it's all MAGA magic. Have to love this new face of
Conservatism Inc, too -- a fruitcake whose sexuality derives from an obsession with male
defecation to the extent his kind ingest feces and genital excreta and call it luv.
Nonetheless, the CUFIs will be sending their sons to die and lose their limbs to turn the ME
into one big Tel Aviv and in the process leave poor Moloch seeming like Mickey Mouse in
comparison.
the US will soon face another Go Big, or Go Home moment.
US doesn't have resources anymore of "going big". It is not realistically an option,
unless one wants to start a global war. But I in general agree with your thesis.
Yes, Stalin was not Jewish, but what would you say was the Jewish role (if any) with the
Bolshevik revolution (and the Holodomor and the rest of the horrors visited upon Russia and
beyond, -as described by Solzhenitsyn- by Jewish finance, intrigue, treachery and genocidal
villainy)?
Look first at the list of first Sovnarkom, for starters. Jewish finance and interests were
important but only, again, as part of the puzzle. I do not consider Solzhenitsyn a good
writer, even less a competent Russia historian, not to mention him being a complete amateur
in any affairs pertaining defining military and political factors which led to two Russian
Revolutions (in fact, three, once 1905 is considered). So, I am not interested in discussing
the work of falsifiers.
If the ECB, (an extension of Rothschild's Fed) were in the hands of Gentiles, do you
think Europe would be committing ethnic suicide?
The ongoing White Goyim Genocide project is proof positive that the Tribe is holding the
reigns. Our own gentile "elites" are getting played into this suicide just like everyone
else. Only the lies differ. They don't know that their seat of "power" is at the kiddie table
and that it has an expiration date.
Russia's history is a bit more complex than some Manichean struggle between evil Jews
and noble Russian Orthodox Christians.
obviously
In fact, it is infinitely more complex.
I've delved a bit into it. Read some books and such. But my education is always
incomplete, and I'm an eternal student.
But if you want to view it as one unstoppable Jewish juggernaut against Christ-loving
Russians, who am I to suggest to you otherwise.
naw, that's not how I see it.
The reason I bring up Jews is because I see them as often times bad actors that are
causing dire problems right now, today, in this world. And menacing things I value, like
peace, when peace is practicable.
When you talk about the infinite complexity of Russia's history, so too is that history
tied to her neighbors, and Ukraine's history as well. (I suspect you know where I'm going
with this ; )
So what some very clever and sinister people might do, is use that history and certain
fault lines in the Russian and Ukrainian narratives, to foist strife and death and misery and
war. You see?
Now you may say that Poroshenko is not a Jew, and as far as I know, that's right, (or not,
I don't really know or care), but what I do know, and do care about, is the way neocon Jews
(and goyim stooges) in my country have cynically used those historic fault lines to foment
strife and war.
The way I see contemporary Russian history is one that following the collapse of the SU,
Russia was looted during Yeltin's drunken reign by Rothschild agents known as the "Russian"
oligarchs, (a few of which seem to have been actual ethnic Russians), and from there how
Putin heroically wrested the destiny of Russia from these bad actors.
Then it was on to a bright future, except then Putin grew alarmed by what he saw happening
to Libya, to be followed by Syria and what was it Gen. Clark said.., seven other
countries?
So he put the kibosh in Syria's destabilization, and by doing so, earned the wrath of the
Zionists.
Whereupon neocon Jews like Nuland installed Jews like Yatz in a coup that here in the ZUS
they called "democracy".
The reason ((they)) did that, was to stick a pointed stick into the Russian bear, for
defying ((their)) agenda in the greater Levant.
That's why they blamed Putin for MH17.
That's (probably) why they lowered the price of oil, to harm Putin (and Venezuela and
others)
That's why our media are 24/7, 365 screeching that PUTIN IS HITLER!!!
Because, as far as I can tell, it is Putin that is the only resistance to whatever Bibi
wants.
Because what I can tell you, is that Russia or no Russia, Bibi gets what ever he wants
from "our" fecal government, always.
And so because of this dire paradigm, I do sometimes mention that it is Jewish
supremacists that are foisting these wars. And causing great strife between Russia and the
rest of the world.
I don't fulminate about Jewish supremacists because they stole my twinkle, no.
I talk about Zionist intrigue because that is exactly why the world is demanding that
Putin return Crimea. And pay for the deaths on MH17, and why thousands have died in Donbas,
etc..
These things didn't happen in a vacuum. There are actors involved, and geopolitics, and
Machiavellian intrigues and machinations that should be exposed IMHO.
If the ECB, (an extension of Rothschild's Fed) were in the hands of Gentiles, do you
think Europe would be committing ethnic suicide?
Western Liberalism doesn't have Jewish roots, unless one wants to associate capitalism
with Jews only, which is not the case. This liberalism is flesh and blood of the
Enlightenment and Europe's current problems have roots in this liberalism, together with the
post-WW II cultural shock. It is also rooted in the United States emerging from this war
unscathed. So, no it is not just the tribe, it is the whole clockwork of Western Civilization
and its leader, the United States, which drives it into the gutter. Jews here are just for
the ride and chutzpa–US and Jews were created for each-other. "Rothschild's Fed" in
this case but one of many institutions which was created to enrich a rather substantial (to
put it mildly) American strata of radically not-Jewish waspies who are now trying to find any
justification (and excuses) for them screwing their own country into the increasingly grim
future. Per tribe, ask yourself a question WHO owns this site and who allows, including very
many openly mental people, to freely and openly express their opinions? Is Ron Unz, who is a
real cultural American asset (even though I do not always agree with him) a tribe or not?
Guess who is the most vocal and courageous fighter against anti-Russian madness in US?
Professor Stephen Cohen, is he a tribe?
Here is a great British historian for ya:
"This swift decline in British vigor at home and the failure to exploit the empire were
not owing to some inevitable senescent process of history .That cause was a political
doctrine .The doctrine was liberalism, which criticized and finally demolished the
traditional conception of the nation-state as a collective organism, a community, and
asserted instead the primacy of individual. According to liberal thinking a nation was no
more than so many human atoms who happened to live under the same set of laws .It was Adam
Smith who formulated the doctrine of Free Trade, the keystone of liberalism, which was to
exercise a long-live and baneful effect on British power .Adam Smith attacked the traditional
"mercantilist" belief that a nation should be generally self-supporting "
"The Collapse Of British Power", Correlli Barnett. William Morrow & Company, Inc. New
York, 1972. Page 91.
Now ask yourself a question–IS the United States a nation-state?
The liberalism of the Enlightenment meant that we should all use our rationality to
question the dogmas (and the leaders) of the day, and put them to the test of reason.
That's why it's also known as the Age of Reason.
You obviously intent on ignoring economics of the issue and transition from one mode of
production to another. It was this thing which predetermined all others. I do have 1929
(IIRC) version of Paine's Age of Reason.
US doesn't have resources anymore of "going big". It is not realistically an option
I know, and should probably have made it clearer that when faced with that decision, the
US will have to go home. The top levels of the USM pyramid know well the limits of the box
they've gotten themselves into. They've built the wrong force structure for the world as it
is and will be.
Madeleine Albright's famous question to Gen. Powell 'What's the point of having this
superb military you're always talking about if we can't use it?' can now be re-worded to
ask "What's the point of having this enormous military edifice and expenditure if it isn't
superb, or even effective?" The answer is that there is no point. Much of it can be
jettisoned without affecting the US' real strategic situation, and almost all of it if
its mandate were to be shrunk to defence of its homeland and close allies.
The recent 6hr meeting in Finland between Gerasimov and Dunford, is (I believe) likely to
have dealt with some of the parameters governing the USM's "going home". I can't even imagine
how they're gonna do this in an organized way, but it's in everybody's interest that it
happens as smoothly as possible. That those two seem to have built a professional rapport and
even understanding is heartening.
The recent 6hr meeting in Finland between Gerasimov and Dunford, is (I believe) likely
to have dealt with some of the parameters governing the USM's "going home"
Most likely, at least Dunford, unlike most of US establishment is professional. Look up
Rostislav Ishenko's latest excellent piece yesterday:
Frankly, I always read Rostislav Ischenko with interest. After all, he worked for the
Ukrainian government, including Ukrainian Foreign Affairs ministry, until 2014, when it
became abundantly clear that project "Ukraine" is an abject failure. He has a lot of inside
knowledge, although he sometimes predicts as imminent things that happen a year or two after
his predictions. But in most things he tends to be right.
jumping the shark ...revealing files on the Tsarnaev brothers (Boston bombing) were not received .. For all your research can you not see a false flag, i.e. manufactured event for public
consumption
confused see Operation Gladio
Sergey Krueger is wrong about questioning of gender roles. That comes from the necessity to
to have an identity wedge during neoliberal period of the USA society.
Well, you put it yourself. Liberalism as is it was during the Enlightenment was
questioning all dogmas and everything that is considered normal here we have a double aged
sword. When and what you stop questioning and reasoning about logic of certain things.
Logically they started with kings and after all things were questioned they came now to
roles of males and females, sex, gender and god forbids where this can takes us.
There are certain things that cannot be questioned for society to have a back bone. A
moral and cultural one. Otherwise things turn the way they are now. There is nothing sacred
and everything can be questioned and reasoned about.
The problem is that there is no clear alternative to neoliberalism. Russian foreign policy is
clearly anti-neoliberal. So in a way, Russia represent another example of National neoliberalism
along with Trump "national neoliberalism".
Notable quotes:
"... I believe most of the confusing and seemingly contradictory actions of Putin can be explained if we assume Putin himself as a neo-liberal. It appears he genuinely believes that he can both retain Russian sovereignty and integrate with the west on a neo-liberal framework. My view is that his reluctance with purging Kremlin's 5th column operators come from his belief that their differences are not reconcilable and that a grand bargain with the western elites is possible where they would consider Russia's elites as equal partners. ..."
Following the re-appointment of Medvedev and his more or less reshuffled government, the
public opinion in Russia and abroad was split on whether this was a good sign of continuity and
unity amongst the Russian leadership or whether this was a confirmation that there was a 5
th column inside the Kremlin working against President Putin and trying to impose
neo-liberal and pro-western policies on the Russian people. Today I want to take a quick look
at what is taking place inside Russia because I believe that the Russian foreign policy is
still predominantly controlled by what I call the "Eurasian Sovereignists" and that to detect
the activities of the "Atlantic Integrationist" types we need to look at what is taking place
inside Russia.
The Russian 5 th column and its typical operations
First, I want to begin by sharing with you a short video translated by the Saker Community
of one of the most astute Russian analysts, Ruslan Ostashko, who wonders how it is that a
rabidly pro-western and vociferously anti-Putin radio station named "Ekho Moskvy" manages not
only to elude normal Russian legislation, but even gets money from the gaz giant Gazprom, which
is majority owned by the Russian state. Ekho Moskvy is also so pro-Israeli that it has earned
the nickname "Ekho Matsy" (Ekho Moskvy means "Echo of Moscow" whereas "Ekho Matsy" means "Echo
of the Matzo"). Needless to say, that radio has the unwavering and total support of the US
Embassy. It would not be an exaggeration to say Ekho Moskvy serves as in incubator for
russophobic journalists and that most the liberal pro-western reporters in the Russian media
have been, at one time or another, associated with this propaganda outfit. In spite of this or,
more accurately, because of this, Ekho Moskvy has been bankrupt for quite a while already, and
yet – it continues to exist. Just listen to Ostashko's explanations ( and make sure to
press the 'cc' button to see the English language captions):
Interesting, no? The state giant Gazprom is doing all it can to keep Ekho Moskvy afloat and
above the law. In fact, Gazprom has been financing Ekho Moskvy for years! According to the
hyper-politically-correct Wikipedia , "As of
2005 Echo of Moscow was majority owned by Gazprom Media which holds 66% of its shares".
If Gazprom is majority owned by the Russian state, and Ekho Moskvy is majority owned by
Gazprom, then does that not mean that Ekho Moskvy is basically financed by the Kremlin? The
reality is even worse, as Ostashko point out, Ekho Moskvy is the most visible case, but there
are are quite a few pro-western media outlets in Russia which are financed, directly and
indirectly, by the Russian state.
So let me ask you a simple question: do you really think that Ostashko is better informed
than the Russian authorities, including Putin himself?
Of course not! So what is going on here?
Before attempting to answer this question, let's look at another interesting news item from
Russia, the recent article " Pension reform as a fifth column tool to overthrow Putin "
(original title "About a fair pension system") by Mikhail Khazin translated by Ollie Richardson
and Angelina Siard from the Stalker Zone blog (and cross-posted here
and here ).
Please read the full article as it sheds a very interesting light on what the Medvedev
government has been up to since it was reappointed. What I want to quote here are Mikhail
Khazin's conclusions: (emphasis added)
In other words, all of this reform is frank poppycock, a political joke aimed at
destroying relations between the People (society) and the Authorities. The specific aim of
this is to overthrow Putin, as our liberals are commanded to do by their senior partners from
the "Western" global project . And it is precisely like this that we should treat this
reform. It has no relation to economic reforms – neither good, nor bad. It not an
economic reform, but a political plot! And it is from here that we have to proceed.
Having explained what is really going on, Khazin then goes on the openly state how such an
operation is even possible:
Now concerning the media. It should be understood that at the end of the 90's-beginning of
the 2000's practically all non-liberal media died. Completely. And of course, practically all
non-liberal journalists definitely died (only a few dozen mastodons from the times of
socialism remain). And the youth that grew from the faculty of journalism are in general
totally liberal. They were a little bit suppressed in the middle of the 2000's, but after
Medvedev's arrival to the president's post they again blossomed. But then the attack of the
State on everything that doesn't reflect "the policies of the party and the government"
began.
And then it so happened that now there are many "patriotic" publications in Russia that
employ mainly liberal journalists. An enchanting sight. These journalists (in full
accordance with the ideas of Lenin that they didn't read) see their main task as supporting
"theirs" – i.e., liberal-financiers, Nemtsov, Navalny and, so on, and to sully the
"bloody KayGeeBee"! And it is this that they are involved in, meaning that, propagandising as
much as possible the policies of the government, they optimally irritate the population by
using Putin personally. There is just a need every time to act out some disgusting story (how
an elderly man died on the way to the polyclinic or hospital, how children were taken away
from a large family, how an official or a priest hit a pregnant woman and/or juvenile
children with their chic car), to explain that this isn't just the result of the policies of
the liberal power, but the concrete fault of the President, who put on their posts the very
ministers and law enforcement officers who encourage all of this.
Amazing, no? This is an attempt to overthrow Putin and it is covered-up by the (pseudo)
patriotic press. What about Putin himself? Why does he not take action? Khazin even explains
that:
Of course, the President is guilty, first of all, because he understands that if he starts
to cleanse this "Augean stable", then he will be obliged to shed blood , because
they won't voluntarily give back their privileges . But the most important thing, and
this is the essence: the liberal Russian elite today set for itself the political task of
removing Putin. Why it decided to do this is an interesting question: if Putin himself and
a liberal are flesh from flesh, then this task is stupid and senseless. Not to mention
suicidal. But if he isn't a liberal (it is probably correct to say not a political liberal)
then, of course, this activity makes sense . But at the same time, for purely propaganda
reasons – because people hate liberals, there is a need to hang the label of political
liberal on him.
Now let's connect all the dots: there is a pro-western (in realty, western-controlled)
faction inside the government which is financing those who are attempting to overthrow Putin by
making him unpopular with the Russian general public (which overwhelmingly opposes "liberal"
economic policies and which despises the Russian liberal elites) by constantly forcing him into
liberal economic policies which he clearly does not like (
he declared himself categorically opposed to such policies in 2005 ) and the so-called
"patriotic media" is covering it all up. And Putin cannot change this without shedding
blood.
"it is quite clear to me that a new type of Russian opposition is slowly forming. Well, it
always existed, really – I am talking about people who supported Putin and the Russian
foreign policy and who disliked Medvedev and the Russian internal policies. Now the voice of
those who say that Putin is way too soft in his stance towards the Empire will only get
stronger. As will the voices of those who speak of a truly toxic degree of nepotism and
patronage in the Kremlin (again, Mutko being the perfect example). When such accusations came
from rabid pro-western liberals, they had very little traction, but when they come from
patriotic and even nationalist politicians (Nikolai Starikov for example) they start taking
on a different dimension. For example, while the court jester Zhirinovskii and his LDPR party
loyally supported Medvedev, the Communist and the Just Russia parties did not. Unless the
political tension around figures like Kudrin and Medvedev is somehow resolved (maybe a timely
scandal?), we might witness the growth of a real opposition movement in Russia, and not one
run by the Empire. It will be interesting to see if Putin's personal ratings will begin to go
down and what he will have to do in order to react to the emergence of such a real
opposition"
Those who vehemently denied that there as a real 5 th column problem inside the
Kremlin are going to have a painful wake-up call when they realize that thanks to the actions
of these "liberals" a patriotic opposition is gradually emerging, not so much against Putin
himself as against the policies of the Medvedev government. Why not against Putin?
Because most Russian instinctively feel what is going on and understand not only the
anti-Putin dynamics at work, but also how and why this situation was created. Furthermore,
unlike most westerners, most Russians remember what took place in the crucial and formative
1990s.
The historical roots of the problem (very rough summary)
It all began in the late 1980s when the Soviet elites realized that they were losing control
of the situation and that something had to be done. To really summarize what they did, I would
say that these elites first broke up the country into 15 individual fiefdoms each run by
gang/clan composed of these Soviet elites, then they mercilessly grabbed everything of any
value, became overnight billionaires and concealed their money in the West. Being fabulously
rich in a completely ruined country gave them fantastic political power and influence to
further exploit and rob the country of all its resources. Russia herself (and the other 14
ex-Soviet republics) suffered an unspeakable nightmare comparable to a major war and by the
1990s Russia almost broke-up into many more even smaller pieces (Chechnia, Tatarstan, etc.). By
then, Russia was subserviently executing all the economic policies recommended by a myriad of
US 'advisors' (hundreds of them with offices inside the offices of many key ministries and
various state agencies, just like today in the Ukraine), she adopted a Constitution drafted by
pro-US elements and all the key positions in the state were occupied by what I can only call
western agents. At the very top, President Eltisn was mostly drunk while the country was run by
7 bankers the so-called "oligarchs" (6 of which were Jews): the " Semibankirshchina ".
This is the time when the Russian security services successfully tricked these oligarchs
into believing that Putin, who has a law degree and who had worked for the (very liberal) Mayor
of Saint Petersburg (Anatolii Sobchack) was just a petty bureaucrat who would restore a
semblance of order while not presenting any real threat to the oligarchs. The ploy worked, but
the business elites demanded that "their" guy, Medvedev, be put in charge of the government so
as to preserve their interests. What they overlooked was two things: Putin was a truly
brilliant officer of the very elite First Chief Directorate (Foreign Intelligence) of the KGB
and a real patriot. Furthermore, the Constitution which was passed to support the Eltsin regime
could now be used by Putin. But more than anything else, they never predicted that a little guy
in an ill-fitting suit would transform himself into one of the most popular leaders on the
planet. As I have written many times, while the initial power base of Putin was in the security
services and the armed forces and while his legal authority stems from the Constitution, is
real power comes from the immense support he has from the Russian people who, for the first
time in very long time felt that the man at the top truly represented their interests.
Putin then did what Donald Trump could have done as soon as he entered the White House: he
cleaned house. He began by immediately tackling the oligarchs, he put an end to the
Semibankirshchina , and he stopped the massive export of money and resources out of
Russia. The then proceeded to rebuilt the "vertical of power" (the Kremlin's control over the
country) and began rebuilding all of Russia from the foundations (regions) up. But while Putin
was tremendously successful, he simply could not fight on all the fronts and the same time and
win.
Truth be told, he did eventually win most of the battles which he chose to fight, but some
battles he simply could not wage not because of a lack of courage or will on his part, but
because the objective reality is that Putin inherited and extremely bad system fully controlled
by some extremely dangerous foes . Remember the words of Khazin above: " if he starts to
cleanse this "Augean stable", then he will be obliged to shed blood, because they won't
voluntarily give back their privileges". So, in a typically Putin fashion, he made a number
of deals.
For example, those oligarchs who agreed to stop meddling in Russian politics and who would,
from now on, pay taxes and generally abide by the law were not be jailed or expropriated: those
who got the message were allowed to continue to work as normal businessmen (Oleg Deripaska) and
those who did not were either jailed or exiled (Khodorkovski, Berezovski). But if we look just
below the level of these well-known and notorious oligarchs, what we find as a much deeper
"swamp" (to use the US expression): an entire class of people who made their fortunes in the
1990s, who are now extremely influential and control most of the key positions in the economy,
finance and business and who absolutely hate and fear Putin. They even have their agents inside
the armed forces and security services because their weapon of choice is, of course, corruption
and influence. And, of course, they have people representing their interests inside the Russian
government: pretty much the entire "economic block" of the Medvedev government.
Is it really any surprise at all that these people also have their paid representatives
inside the Russian media, including the so-called "pro-Russian" or "patriotic" media? (I have
been warning about
this since at least 2015)
Just like in the West, in Russia the media depends first and foremost on money and big
financial interests are very good at using the media to promote their agenda, deny or obfuscate
some topics while pushing others. This is why you often see the Russian media backing
WTO/WB/IMF/etc policies to the hilt while never criticizing Israel or, God forbid, rabidly
pro-Israeli propagandists on mainstream TV (guys like Vladimir Soloviev, Evgenii Satanovsky,
Iakov Kedmi, Avigdor Eskin and many others). This is the same media which will gladly criticize
Iran and Hezbollah but never wonder why the Russian main TV stations are spewing pro-Israeli
propaganda on a daily basis.
And, of course, they will all mantrically repeat the same chant: "there is no 5
th column in Russia!! None!! Never!!"
This is no different than the paid for corporate media in the US which denies the existence
of a "deep state" or the US "Israel Lobby".
And yet, many (most?) people in the US and Russia realize at an almost gut-level that they
are being lied to and that, in reality, a hostile power is ruling over them.
Putin's options and possible outcomes
Sadly, in the US, Trump proved to be a disaster who totally caved in to the Neocons and
their demands. In Russia, the situation is far more complex. So far, Putin has very skillfully
avoided associating himself with the Atlantic Integrationists. Furthermore, the biggest crises
of the past decade or so were all associated with foreign policy issues and those are still
controlled by the Eurasian Sovereignists. Finally, while the Russian government clearly
committed some mistakes or promoted some unpopular policies (such has healthcare reform for
example), they also had their undeniable successes. As for Putin, he continued to consolidate
his power and he gradually removed some of the most notorious individuals from their positions.
In theory, Putin could probably have most top Atlantic Integrationists arrested on corruption
charges, but short of engaging in a massive and bloody purge, he cannot get rid of an entire
social class which is not only large but powerful.
Some of my contacts in Russia expected a purge of Atlantic Integrationists right after the
election, the logic here was "enough is enough" and that once Putin got a strong mandate from
the people, he would finally kick Medvedev and his gang out of the Kremlin and replace them
with popular patriots. That obviously did not happen. But if this pension reform program
continues to further trigger protests or if a major war blows up in the Middle-East or in the
Ukraine, then the pro-western forces inside the Kremlin will come under great pressure to
further yield control of the country to Eurasian Sovereignists.
Putin is an exceedingly patient man and, at least so far, he won most, if not all, of his
battles. I don't believe that anybody can predict for sure how things will play out, but what
is certain is that trying to understand Russia without being aware of the internal conflicts
and the interests groups fighting for power is futile. In her 1000 year long history, internal
enemies have always been far more dangerous for Russia than external ones. This is unlikely to
change in the future.
Since "The Saker" does not approve difference of opinion or dissent on his own site i will
post my response here.
This is yet another episode of "doom & gloom" articles of his in a series that started
almost a year ago. If you have read one, you have read them all. Since then a quite 180
degree different and depression-ridden "The Saker" or whatever is hiding under that name has
produced articles to the effect that "Putin has surrendered", "the end is nigh" or "it's all
over". Hi's sudden embrace of "Paul Craig Roberts" views of all things Russian further
confirms that.
The content aren't necessarily wrong and incorrect but the message is very far from what
the author initially conveyed. The impression is now that things definitely doesn't bode well
for Russia and there's nothing Russians or anyone can do about it, move on. "The Saker" is
now using the encouraging confidence he built up with his "community",that has grown
significantly over the years, to tear it apart it seems.
President Putin has himself categorically stated that "there is no such thing as any "5th
column". When asked about the presence of Kudrin and a few like him, VP said, "it's useful to
hear different points of view, but to suggest they are some sort of 5th column is
nonsense"
I think I would trust his word – he has never been known to lie and he has no reason to
do so.
He gave his reasons for retaining Medvedev plus a few others – good solid rational
reasons. No-body in Russia is doubting them.
Can it be forgotten by this writer, that Medvedev is an appointed position – by the
President. Putin can remove him in an instant any time he likes: he holds the strings, and is
under thrall to no-one.
As for the article the writer refers to in "The Saker", the provenance of the authors shows
how much value to put on it.
The writer – not mentioned here – is one Vadim Potapenko who gives details of
himself as living in Cyprus, and working as a Development Manager – Slotegrator :
Gambling & Casinos.!!
What a young man working in the ethically questionable world of casinos knows about pension
reform and retirement age needs I dont know. He does deal in risk analysis of simplistic
systems I guess, but an expert in the complexities of Government policy he can't be.
The second author is Mikhail Khazin – a man who claims to an economist and publicist,
and states that "Putin is following the ideas of Andropov. They didn t' work then and they
dont now: Putin by his very personality has polarised views in Russia, because some love him
and some hate him"
This about a President with an 80% approval rating, a 77% voter return rate, and who is so
far from any USSR person it's unbelievable. The mans' complete inability to understand the
first thing about Putin, who he is, what he believes in, and the route he is following shows
he is the last person whose views should be even listened to.
This brings me to the finale – more and more it seems "The Saker" wants people to
believe that there are dark forces at work in the Kremlin, that Putin is either too weak and
stupid to deal with them or even worse, is working in with them. In other words, he effects
to support the Russian President but calls him a weakling or a traitor!!
Better to read work by qualified people and investigate Russia for yourself – dont be
led into thinking Russia would be a cakewalk for anyone thinking of invading and making war
on her, because she has a weak and divided leadership. She doesn't have – and waging
war on Russia would have only one end, and it's not pretty.
I believe most of the confusing and seemingly contradictory actions of Putin can be
explained if we assume Putin himself as a neo-liberal. It appears he genuinely believes that
he can both retain Russian sovereignty and integrate with the west on a neo-liberal
framework. My view is that his reluctance with purging Kremlin's 5th column operators come
from his belief that their differences are not reconcilable and that a grand bargain with the
western elites is possible where they would consider Russia's elites as equal partners.
I think this is not a sustainable position, even if western elites were willing to play
ball with Putin and Russia's elites. Because in a neo-liberal world nations cannot retain
their sovereignty and that an international cabal of ultra-rich treat the peoples of the
world as properties of their own. The best that could have happened would be that Russian
elites would be partying with their western fellow billionaires on the corpses of the poor
nations of the world. That part, I am convinced, is not acceptable for Putin (i.e. giving up
sovereignty in return for a seat on the dinner table but I have serious doubts about
anti-imperialism part)
Fortunately for Russia, the same cabal still cannot get over the fact that they lost the
opportunity to rape Russia ad infinitum and still looking for holes in the Russian resolve.
This will force Russia to take a clear anti-imperialist stand sooner or later, and on a war
footing will have to purge all of the (would be) collaborators.
On a second note, it is indeed possible that Putin might have decided to postpone the
decision for the purge after the world cup but I will not believe before I see Medvedev and
Nabiullina be fired.
The Kremlin is financing the craziest knee-jerk Russophobes to discredit liberalism. The
two exist in a comfy symbiotic relationship. What is so difficult about that?
Now let's connect all the dots: there is a pro-western (in realty, western-controlled)
faction inside the government which is financing those who are attempting to overthrow
Putin by making him unpopular with the Russian general public (which overwhelmingly opposes
"liberal" economic policies and which despises the Russian liberal elites) by constantly
forcing him into liberal economic policies which he clearly does not like (he declared
himself categorically opposed to such policies in 2005) and the so-called "patriotic media"
is covering it all up.
The same "fifth column" that has over the past 18 years also forced Putin into adopting a
flat tax, liberalizing land sales, monetizing benefits, and now pensions reform.
If Putin still hasn't managed to get rid of them, then what the hell is he good for?
At least, that's would I'd be asking – if I was the sort to rail against neoliberal
fifth columns.
Reality is, all of those were great successes. Putin is an economic neoliberal and that
is a good thing .
Even if this was the case, surely he must be aware that 92% of Russians oppose this
so-called "reform".
Where on Earth do people support raising the pension age? Thankfully, many
countries (including Russia) have safeguards against demotic idiocy.
As a direct result from these plans, the Communist Party of Russia is launching a
referendum against this project while the "Just Russia" Party is now collecting signatures
to dismiss the entire government.
The business elites are not in a position to demand anything. Medvedev is there as a
whipping boy to protect Putin's ratings. He is very good at that, and that, too, is a good
thing.
This is the same media which will gladly criticize Iran and Hezbollah but never wonder
why the Russian main TV stations are spewing pro-Israeli propaganda on a daily basis.
The author's anti-Israel crusade is not Russia's. That Russia is not to Iran, Palestine,
or Hezbollah what the US is to Israel (a slavish sponsor) is also a good thing.
The same "fifth column" that has over the past 18 years also forced Putin into adopting
a flat tax, liberalizing land sales, monetizing benefits, and now pensions reform.
If Putin still hasn't managed to get rid of them, then what the hell is he good for?
Reality is, all of those were great successes. Putin is an economic neoliberal and that
is a good thing .
Even if Bershidsky gets it, however in the field which doesn't require any serious skills,
except for good accounting. Now, you don't want me to refer to Russia's actual industries,
especially hi-tech, which are nationalized, do you? Does the title Rostec ring a bell? What
is remarkable, founding of Rostec somehow coincided with Putin's Munich Speech–both
events are hardly any evidence of neoliberalism. Is Putin a liberal? Yes, but to a degree and
political mostly–his progression from liberal economic model to a mixed model since
2014 is visible to people with even rudimentary knowledge of Russia. This is not to mention
that Russia, quoting even Wiki:
Russia has an upper-middle income mixed economy with state ownership in strategic areas
of the economy.
Some private bank is not a "strategic" area, nor is "liberalization" of land sales,
resources and real hi-tech sector, however, together with agriculture, are. Since the start
of Putin's tenure, Russia re-nationalized, that is returned to the state control or
ownership, an enormous number of truly strategic companies. In fact, whole industries. Putin
recently himself clearly stated that, especially pointing out a bonanza Russian State got
from 2008 collapse and from sanctions. These are hardly signs of neoliberalism, not to
mention that Russia, rightly so, is considered one of the most protectionist nations in the
world. This is if to discount all this theoretical and metaphysical mambo-jumbo on the
obvious fact that neoliberalism is dead, together with its founding Free Trade gospel, and
stinks to heaven, poisoning surroundings. And, yes, I am sure Russian State has no control
over Novatek (it is a bad joke).
At the very top, President Eltisn was mostly drunk while the country was run by 7
bankers the so-called "oligarchs" ( 6 of which were Jews ): the
"Semibankirshchina".
I think Putin today is in a similar situation as Stalin was in the late 1940s regarding
Jewish political activism and assertiveness, etc.
Despite Stalin's willingness to support Israel early on, various historians suppose that
antisemitism in the late 1940s and early 1950s was motivated by Stalin's possible
perception of Jews as a potential "fifth column" in light of a pro-Western Israel in
the Middle East.
[...] I think increasing the Jewish (and general) death toll in World War II and decreasing
the "official" Jewish population of the Soviet Union served two purposes for
Stalin.
Firstly, for propaganda purposes against the Germans higher death tolls were useful,
and secondly lower "official" numbers of Jews in the Soviet Union were likely intended to
discourage and prevent Jewish empowerment and organizing
[...]
Jeffrey Veidlinger writes that "By October 1948, it was obvious that Mikhoels was by no
means the sole advocate of Zionism among Soviet Jews. The revival of Jewish cultural
expression during the war had fostered a general sense of boldness among the Jewish
masses.
This is slightly off-topic, but I just commented on this subject matter in another
comments thread, which has to do with the fact that many more persons of Jewish origin live
in Russia and the former Soviet states than is commonly known or reported:
Here the original in Russian: http://tavrio.ru/index.php/politics/nazpol/42-skolko-evreev-pf
Archived link: http://archive.is/EDYeZ
[...] And I believe that today, after a great aliyah, the number of halachic Jews in the
countries of the former USSR is about four million. And six million more are those who know
about their Jewish origin.
[...]
Half of the top 25 billionaires in Russia, I believe, come from a Jewish background. I know
strong Jewish ethnic and religious networking, nepotism, etc. exists, but to achieve such a
high billionaire density even the Jewish population has to be at least 2% of the Russian
population (about 3 million at least out of the 150 million Russian population) like it is
the case in the U.S. (about 6 million Jews out of a 300 million U.S. population).
Not just 400,000 (which would be 0.3% of the Russian population) or even lower
estimates, like some sources claim. Wikipedia for example puts the number of Jews in
Russia, at the moment, at a laughable: 179,500
[...]
, which would be about o.15% of the Russian population, but Jews are half of the top 25
billionaires in Russia?
Something does not quite compute here, to put it mildly
Putin might know how many Jews really died in the Holocaust and in World War II,
and this is his way of telegraphing it and signalling to the Jewish Russian community that
they should not get too uppity and bold?
'Holocaust on ice' dance by wife of Putin official causes uproar
Putin has ensured that foreign interests have been prevented from taking over vital
Russian industries such as Oil,Gas, Minerals, Banking and Defence. At best, foreign companies
can only get limited concessions under conditions that suit the Russian State, eg BP.
Putin isn't a Neoliberal, he's a pragmatist. This is a very good thing.
But you are of course correct. Russia is of course not neoliberal so far as Putin's
kleptocratic chums are concerned.
Exactly, nor do you have any qualifications nor skills to write about Russia since, and I
quote Margo Simonyan describing your kind.
Maybe you will finally understand that you do not believe us not because we lie, but
because you know horseradish (dick) about surrounding world, because you are badly
educated, do not read much and when do, do not read what is needed, you visit all the wrong
places and communicate with the same small bunch of prejudiced and/or mental people, who
only reinforce your condescending ignorance.
The picture is mixed. The Federal Antimonopoly Service has been given real teeth since its
humiliation by the Customs Service under Medvedev. It goes beyond antimonopoly. For example,
it reviews incoming foreign investment in the 42 strategic industries. This was originally a
protectionist committee. It gave Pepsico a hard time for buying Wimm-Bill-Dann, clearly a
military asset. These days its approach to foreigners is "how can I help you? Do you want
money?" It is frequently chaired by Putin.
Kudrin's audit committee looks like being FAS Mark 2. He has been given the tools to take
Sechin and other state moguls apart. Will he get to the Rotenbergs/Gazprom? Their behaviour
is outrageous. Certainly not the kind of corporate governance required for a competitive
market. e.g. Gazprom Bank has a Rotenberg son in charge of loans. Gazprom lent another
Rotenberg son the money to build Aviapark. No Rotenberg capital at risk during the whole
process. Now a $1 Bn asset. Kudrin has a target rich environment. Will he settle out of court
or make some high level examples?
I judge a wo/man not on his/her words, but his/her deeds. Suffice to say, the difference
between Russia in 2000 and Russia today, speaks volumes all by itself and is fully self
explanatory as well.
One day the world will realize how close we've come to WW III in the period between
2015/2020. An extended version of the Cuban missile crisis, if you will, but this time with
only one statesman participating in this conundrum, the president of the Russian Federation,
H.E. Mr. V.V. Putin.
Much blood has been shed in Syria, including Russian, so it would be unfair to single out
one particular country, but I know if it hand't been for Russia stepping up to the plate in
2015, the political landscape [in the M.E. and beyond] would be littered with the corpses of
liberty, freedom and unity and the dust wouldn't settle down for decades to come.
The Russian military went in, turned the tide and most of the temporary influx is
retreating back to the motherland as we speak. That's how a 'job' is done properly.
Kudrin has a target rich environment. Will he settle out of court or make some high
level examples?
Read by letters: F-S-B (Operational Technical Departments–Operativno-Technicheskie
Otdely). And then there is always G(R)U. Sure, those boys such as Ulyukaev or Kudrin who saw
so "much" in their lives are real "contenders". I am sure Naryshkin knows what color of stool
Siluanov is having every day. The same goes for Kudrin. But he is a smart boy–he knows
the routine. You obviously missed the revelation of the actual Putin's position in
KGB/SVR–it was all over Russia's TV. Other than that–I agree, it is a "target
rich" environment and yes, Kudrin is perfect for this job.
Hi Daniel – so good to see you again, I was wondering recently where you might
be.
I agree with you – the "proof of the pudding" says it all. One has only to look at
the last 18 years, at where Russia and Russians were back then, and look at her now, all
under Putins' direction and overall management. You do that, then read this sort of stuff and
wonder just what is going on in some people's minds. It makes less than no sense –
which means one has to start looking at premises one would not like to think about.
As for expecting some publicist who thinks Putin is a follower of Andropov as a person worth
printing and quoting – words fail me.
Good to hear from you Daniel – take care mi amigo.
"Since "The Saker" does not approve difference of opinion or dissent on his own site i
will post my response here."
Exactly what brought me here to comment, not on The Saker's own site.
Because I am being critical of the articles' thesis, and because I have criticised the
provenance of the two writers of the article on pension reform, I knew it would not be
published on his site.
I even had a comment I made, refusing to accept a pathetic reference for supposedly "proving"
that V.V. promised to never raise the retirement age, redacted. There's an unfortunate aspect
to the Saker site that puts one off making useful critical comment – the "mods" can
redact your work – or even ditch the entire piece – and leave a vague comment
insulting to your own probity, leaving it looking as though you are some foul mouthed abuser,
yet because you wont be published you can't defend yourself.
I do have to commend "Unz" for it's freedom of expression.
Oh – I agree with your take on the article too – so much of Saker has become a
doom laden cry that denigrates and decries Putin – which seems very odd.
Some more background information on how the Soviet internal passport registration system
worked, for anyone interested:
In the Soviet Union, when someone with parents of two nationalities received identity
papers at age 16, he could pick which nationality to list. A child of a Jewish father and
non-Jewish mother could put down "Jew [ or not ]." The religious principle of
matrilineal descent was irrelevant.
[...]
Persecution of Jews in the Soviet Union started with a policy Joseph Stalin initiated in
1937. Every Soviet citizen was required to carry an internal passport and under
"nationality," Jews were required to list "Jewish." Beckerman says this policy actually may
have been a tough decision for Stalin.
"On the one hand, he followed this Leninist principle [that] all Soviet citizens should
just melt into one general populace that doesn't have any distinctions for nationality," he
says. " But on the other hand, he wanted to control this population and Jews always had
kind of a strange place in the Russian society psyche, so he wanted to know who the Jews
were. "
Following the firsthand account of discrimination experienced by Jews in the Soviet
Union due to having their "nationality" registered as Jewish in their internal passports. I
believe this lends credence to the assumption that most (half-)Jews with just one Jewish
parent likely opted to be identified/registered by the nationality of their non-Jewish
parent, and further strengthens my hypothesis that Holocaust and Jewish World War II
casualties might have been significantly lower than what is generally accepted by
mainstream and anti-revisionist Holocaust and World War II historians and researchers
National identity in USSR was important. Well, it is always important and yes, there was
latent antisemitism (or whatever it is called) in some spheres of Soviet life. Not as big,
though, as Jewish dissidents love to present to those who are ready to listen.
Not as big, though, as Jewish dissidents love to present to those who are ready to
listen.
Hahahaha I agree
Do you happen to know if Andrey Illarionov comes from a Jewish background? I know he is a
dissident now, but I'm not sure whether he is ethnically Jewish or not.
Auschwitz joke angers Jewish groups
Andrei Illarionov, an economic adviser to the president, made the comparison during a
visit to St Petersburg. He has recommended that Russia should not sign the protocol.
[...]
"Then we realised Gosplan was much more humane and we ought to call the Kyoto Protocol an
international gulag. In the Gulag, though, you got the same ration daily and it didn't get
smaller day by day. In the end, we had to call the Kyoto Protocol an international
Auschwitz."
I missed the revelation. I tend to focus on business rather than politics. Expert is the
only journal I try to read regularly. (I am not fluent but I can usually manage if I
focus).
Soros's newspaper still appears in Russia.
A few days after MH17 the front page text something like 'Sorry, Netherlands', in Dutch.
Just imagine a few days after Sept 11 a USA newspaper with headlines, something like 'sorry,
we had to kill a few thousand Americans in order te get an excuse for wars against
Afghanistan and Iraq' ?
After what happened in the groves at jisr al shughour russia stepped up and did what was
right.in that time in the syrian war they stood the moral high ground.the rest is
history.bear in mind that 100 km away live over million russians and that does not include
cyprus.most support likud.
Well spoken. Analysts like the Saker would have us believe that what is happening in Russia
is not really happening but something else is happening – something hidden, something
powerful, all-pervasive, eating away at Putin's power base and destroying him behind the
scenes – like the john Birch Society – A communist under every bed! From what I
can see, and I do not believe I am alone by any means, is that if there are dark forces at
work in the Kremlin and elsewhere in the media for example, they are profoundly weak and
ineffective in Russia at this point. And whilst they might exist, there is little outward
evidence of their workings except the odd Navalny incident, or the constant drippings from
Western oriented media like the Moscow Times. If you want to see the effects of a REAL,
persistent, powerful, pervasive 5th column, you need look any further than the USA with its
Zionist lobby and MIC influence on politics and policy. Or the EU with its incredibly
powerful bureaucracy and its link to Soros and his ilk. Those are real 5th columns, and by
comparison, Russia has little to worry about.
I have followed the Saker for years now, and I too have seen this gradual transformation
from top notch analyst to conspiracy theorist. His website has become almost cult-like. He
has a few 'moderators' who operate anonymously behind the scenes to filter out unflattering
content – not just the crazy insults and freaks that websites like his attract, but
honest content that seeks to criticise, sometimes sharply, his views. If you read the comment
section, it reads like a religious cult at times, most comments prefaced by the seemingly
obligatory preface like "Great analysis, Saker!" "Well said, Saker!" And always there are the
comments both on the part of the Saker and his 'community' that praises that community for
being 'special', unlike the rubbish of other sites, insightful, and more knowledgeable than
others – heaping praise on themselves at the expense of other site with comments to the
effect of "We should be proud that we are not like other sites.".
I fear the Saker has over time fallen prey to the old devil's trick of taking oneself too
seriously. Someone who is constant the object of unquestioned praise can easily fall into
that trap.
Good to see that freedom of thought and freedom of expression is thriving in Russia. They
have fortunately a long way to go in MSM herd-think before they achieve our oppressive
anti-human intellectual conformity.
I agree in that presenting Mr. Putin and Russia as weak seems to encourage military
action, or a coup, against it, just "NOW", when the US is trying ( or simply, pretending ) an
intend of approach ..This has nothing to do with suppossed "depressive" mood of The Saker
himself ..this is a plan .
Thus I agree with you both in the general tone and confussing meddley of articles at
Saker´s site, and as well with your impression on the last "generation" of mods ( to my
view part of the real staff of this project, The Saker ) who, not only were put in charge of
getting rid ( by using the most dirty tricks ) from the genuine former regular
commenters/moderators who had a very personal view on what a good moderation and avoiding of
harsh censure was, but also have displayed a shameful dictatorial censure and editing which
not only amputates genuine and legitimate oppinions but also, as you notice, try, at the same
time, to discredit you as commenter for the rest, by implying you were being rude and
offensive and moreover denying the right to make things clear by allowing you a response to
such a clear outrage, according with most probably direct guidelines from the people who lead
The Saker from behind .
This tactic, of obliterating your comment and answering you by implying that you were
being offensive, ( and even denigrating ) towards somebody ( mainly the author/ owner of the
site and/or his relatives, coleagues and friends ), is common with other sites, like Pat
Lang´s SST. This is why I think these two sites are "closely" related .being their
paterns so similar also both have military ( more concretely counterintelligence ) background
.have a harsh anti-communist stance . and have a team of attack dogs who try to get you
giving up on posting when what you say is of no convenience for them ( or their editorial
line ) .Then, they use the alibi on your comment not being "intelligent", but then you have
there the ubiquitous one-liner sycophant who says nothing all over these two places
permanently .who are never summoned .
But, Isabella, what you so confidently say about Mr. Andropov´s policies, intrigates
me, since I wonder what idea you have on what the ideas, strategies, tactics and future plans
of Mr. Andropov could be to state that VVP is not following them ..I think it is impossible
for you, or even for Mr. Khazin, to know what the plans of Mr. Andropov would be, since he
was, at different times in the USSR, at the helms of secret security agency and foreign
policy, whose main directives were for sure secret, and not at the hand/knowledge of anybody
but a few under/of his "umbrella"/confidence call them "siloviki" or whatever you want .
Thus, in spite of that VVP moves seem to confirm he is a liberal playing the same play
than the capitalist West, we do not know nothing for sure, since, if this would be obvious
for all us, somebody would not be doing its work rightly, as certain senior strategist told
me at Fort Russ .
The worst side of this secrecy, obviously needed for strategic purposes, is that common
people, as happens to me, could start feeling dissapointed with VVP and discouraged of
continuing supporting him .thus some signs from time to time would be neccessary for the
people to continue trusting .
Zionists are Satanists and undermine governments everywhere that they get a foothold and they
already created a holocaust in Russia with the 1917 overthrow of the czar and the resulting
murder of some 60 million Russians and are now trying to undermine the Russian government
again, this is no surprise as this is what Zionists do ie they are killers and wreckers of
governments and are trying to do the same here in America.
One thing noticeable regarding people who comment Putin's policies from abroad, not from
within Russia: much projection of own prejudices and a lot of wishful thinking.
One thing noticeable regarding Putin's policies: no prejudice, no wishful thinking, just
Russian self-consciousness and pragmatism.
Order is restored. Russia's military might is restored. The economy and the living standard
have improved. Russia masters her destiny. So far, what he does works. What else?
The article is written by Saker without any doubt for it has his imprimatur of length for
readers like me, matzo ball radio says it all. Finally, it seems that Jews and Russians have
a sado masochistic arrangements; one can't do without the other. Qui bono?
There seems to be unanimity on this site condemning the Saker, and those commenting on his
blog. But what if he is simply correct in his suspicions about a fifth column in Russia? Is
that really so strange? Do you really think the Atlantacists and their ilk are nonexistent? I
notice no real proof of the inaccuracy of the Saker's contentions, but a lot of ad hominem
critique of his "mood". Maybe he is dead wrong in all his ideas about Putin's Russia –
but where's the proof?? The commenters here seem in danger of falling into the same baseless
contentions trap they accuse the Saker of.
said:
"Putin might know how many Jews really died in the Holocaust "
Please preset proof that any Jews died in 'the holocau$t' as alleged.
Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust'
storyline is the message.
The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
To think about "Atlanticists" as some kind of coherent group is to submit to Saker's
paranoia. Such paranoia is normal in nationalism. Shades of the John Birch society. If you
look for evidence of conspiracy X you will always find it.
Very well written synopsis of the current situation, and how Russia came to be in this place
at this time. I appreciate the recap of the history from Yeltsin moving forward.
The "atlanticists" are a rampant fifth column throughout Europe. Germany is particularly
badly infested and in need of a thorough cleaning out. Russians will be better off if they
can keep them mostly out of their country.
Die Zeit Die Anstalt Netzwerke Think Tank Josef Joffe
Given Russian life expectancy, Russian pension age was too low. Naturally, raising it
temporarily lowered Putin's popularity, but taking that hit is the essence of
forward-thinking leadership.
You Israeli-First traitors love citing Ezekiel 38 and Isaiah 17 to justify your wicked
warmongering, but in your malice you have been blinded to the fact that Isaiah 17 describes
not only the destruction of Damascus but also the destruction of a wicked faction in Israel:
the Baal-worshipping Zionists whom you think are beyond God's reach.
These are the people who murdered millions and millions under Yeltsin. By "privatizing" and
other wonderful "conservative" "capitalist" policies. Getting rid of Communism by killing all
the people who benefit by it. Brilliant.
So I guess that makes these "5th columnists" good, right? By your lights, anyway.
I'm still puzzled as to why Illarionov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Illarionov
made that Kyoto Protocol-Auschwitz comparison, and I am still not sure if he is ethnically
Jewish or not. I found some new indicators that point to him having Jewish roots, though.
Either he made the comment in sincerity and not as a joke, or someone (Putin?) told him to
say it that way for propaganda purposes. Maybe being asked/forced to make that comparison
also contributed to him quitting his job some months later?
In a 2005 interview after his resignation from his economic advisory post, he says the
following, which could indicate that the Kyoto Protocol-Auschwitz comparison was not of his
own making, but a talking point given to him by the Kremlin public relations and propaganda
department:
This (gas) war was the last drop in my decision to resign. I was offered to take part
in it as a propagandist who would explain why the price hike and everything else that is
being done in our bilateral relations are liberal economic policies. However, the
factors that led to this decision have nothing in common with liberal economic
policies.
Having outlined all of the problems with the country, he announced who was responsible
– the Jews. "[Yegor] Gaidar [in charge of privatisation under Yeltsin] – he
is a Jew. What good has come in the last 17 years?" He continued, "We are international
communists. Our fight is not with the Chechens or the Georgians. It is with the Jews!"
[...]
The Jewish community in Moscow were equally concerned about Medvedev's ethnicity. One
local Jewish leader was quoted as saying, "I pray it isn't true, because it would only make
trouble, for him and for us".
During his presidency, Vladimir Putin built his popularity on the traditional
ground of national pride and defence of Russia from ill-willed foreigners, but, to his
credit, he has a record of speaking out against antisemitism. His comments that he was
"ashamed" of antisemitism in Russia when he visited Auschwitz in 2005 were seen as
groundbreaking here.
Putin seems to send mixed messages on and to the Jewish community. One to please his
domestic audience of voters who, understandably, are overwhelmingly counter-semitic, because
they blame predominately-Jewish economists and bankers and their radical and failed economic
policies for the many millions of premature deaths during the 1990s economic crisis in
Russia.
An extra 2.5-3 million Russian adults died in middle age in the period 1992-2001
than would have been expected based on 1991 mortality.
And one philo-semitic or semitic-sympathique message to his predominately-Jewish
billionaire/oligarch financial backers to assure them and clam them down that they are safe
with him, unless they turn on him or try to undermine his authority.
Here a video of Illarionov talking about the Russian economy. By the way, he considers
himself to be a libertarian, which could be another indicator that he is Jewish, since
libertarianism is very popular with Jews https://fee.org/articles/libertarianism-rejects-anti-semitism/
Economics in Russia – Andrei Illarionov | Rhodes 2016
The important question: does the truth matter? Most people want the answer they want, not
the truth and should be forced to truthfully answer why. One day that will happen.
With all due respect, I think that seeing Russian politics as eternal fight between Eurasian
Sovereignists (used to be called Slavyanophiles under tsars) and Atlantic Integrationists
(used to be called Westerners in tsarist times) is naïve, maybe even childish. Not to
mention that this does not explain why China is where it is now, and many other obvious
things.
I'd propose an alternative theory. Russian and Chinese elites include people who are OK
being second- or even third-rate in the world elites, and those who want to be first-rate.
The latter are patriotic, because you cannot be first-rate unless you have a strong truly
sovereign country behind you. Apparently, Putin, Xi, and many Russian and Chinese oligarchs
supporting them, want to be seen as first-rate, equals among equals, in contrast to pathetic
nonentities like Ukrainian "president" Poroshenko, most Ukrainian oligarchs, Polish elites,
or elites of vaudeville Baltic statelets.
Thing is, if your country is a poodle of the US, you are second-rate at best (e.g., EU
elites), but when your country is a poodle of the EU, you are no better than third-rate. So,
the whole intrigue in Russian and Chinese politics is essentially the struggle between
ambitious members of the elites (they call themselves patriots, thereby wooing the support of
the populace), and weaker-spirited members, who would rather be third-rate than fight for a
better position (pro-US, or generally pro-Western forces). So far proud patriots are winning
in both Russia and China, but lower grade pro-Western forces won't concede and keep fighting.
As far as pension reform in Russia goes, robbing the public to enrich the elites is in the
interests of both factions. However, I won't be surprised if the patriotic faction blames it
all on pro-Western forces, which Russian and Chinese people do sincerely despise.
That's what Ukies hope for. They were always wrong (Mazepa serving Sweden, some scum
serving Austro-Hungarian Empire, some scum serving Hitler, "holier-than-thou" communists
serving USSR, etc.). They are wrong again. But it's inhumane to say this: you don't want to
shatter pipe dreams of people who have nothing else, and never will.
Lots of people pretended to be persecuted just to get freebees in the US and elsewhere.
Antisemitsm was by ~90% the myth created by these people. One example I know first-hand: in
my year at the school of Biology in the best and most privileged Moscow State University
about 20-25% of students were Jewish or half-Jewish, whereas Jews constituted 2-3% of the
USSR population.
A note for those who know stats: this was a representative sampling: ~ 250 people
graduated from MSU School of Biology in my year, and the picture was pretty much the same in
subsequent years.
The following source claims his mother is Jewish, but I don't know how reliable he is:
As a sidenote, Medvedev's visit is all the more interesting given that he is a Jew, the
son of a Jewish mother and the first Jew to become President of Russia, much less enter the
Kremlin in any capacity besides the following: doctor, scientist, military hero,
foreigner.
I've personally confirmed Medvedev's Jewish identity with former Muscovites, who say
that Medvedev's mother regularly attended the main synagogue in Moscow. The subject has
not been broached much in Russian media, as Medvedev is Putin's man, and, well, Russian
journalists know what's good for them, or they have an accident – there is freedom of
choice in Russia. I wonder if anyone's bothered to tell the Arabs.
You will notice that the comments section at that site is infested with leftist dinosaurs.
Maybe they have a certain influence on the analyses.
Ozymandias
You are spot on. I, too, have noticed a change toward the negative on The Saker's part. A
bit befuddling. Seems that Russia and Putin have been doing well on numerous fronts, in spite
of Western attempts to the contrary. Difficulties may often exist, but I just don't see 5th
column doom and gloom.
Putin is perhaps the most rational, level headed, intelligent leader whom I've seen in my
lifetime. Wish we had his equivalent in the USA.
"... Since the start of Putin's tenure, Russia re-nationalized, that is returned to the state control or ownership, an enormous number of truly strategic companies. ..."
"... These are hardly signs of neoliberalism, not to mention that Russia, rightly so, is considered one of the most protectionist nations in the world. This is if to discount all this theoretical and metaphysical mambo-jumbo on the obvious fact that neoliberalism is dead, together with its founding Free Trade gospel, and stinks to heaven, poisoning surroundings. And, yes, I am sure Russian State has no control over Novatek (it is a bad joke). ..."
"... Kudrin's audit committee looks like being FAS Mark 2. He has been given the tools to take Sechin and other state moguls apart. Will he get to the Rotenbergs/Gazprom? ..."
The same "fifth column" that has over the past 18 years also forced Putin into adopting a
flat tax, liberalizing land sales, monetizing benefits, and now pensions reform.
If Putin still hasn't managed to get rid of them, then what the hell is he good for? ...
Reality is, all of those were great successes. Putin is an economic neoliberal and that
is a good thing .
Even if Bershidsky gets it, however in the field which doesn't require any serious skills,
except for good accounting. Now, you don't want me to refer to Russia's actual industries,
especially hi-tech, which are nationalized, do you? Does the title Rostec ring a bell? What
is remarkable, founding of Rostec somehow coincided with Putin's Munich Speech--both events
are hardly any evidence of neoliberalism. Is Putin a liberal? Yes, but to a degree and
political mostly--his progression from liberal economic model to a mixed model since 2014 is
visible to people with even rudimentary knowledge of Russia. This is not to mention that
Russia, quoting even Wiki:
Russia has an upper-middle income mixed economy with state ownership in strategic areas of
the economy.
Some private bank is not a "strategic" area, nor is "liberalization" of land
sales, resources and real hi-tech sector, however, together with agriculture, are. Since
the start of Putin's tenure, Russia re-nationalized, that is returned to the state control or
ownership, an enormous number of truly strategic companies. In fact, whole industries.
Putin recently himself clearly stated that, especially pointing out a bonanza Russian State
got from 2008 collapse and from sanctions.
These are hardly signs of neoliberalism, not to mention that Russia, rightly so, is
considered one of the most protectionist nations in the world. This is if to discount all
this theoretical and metaphysical mambo-jumbo on the obvious fact that neoliberalism is dead,
together with its founding Free Trade gospel, and stinks to heaven, poisoning surroundings.
And, yes, I am sure Russian State has no control over Novatek (it is a bad joke).
The picture is mixed. The Federal Antimonopoly Service has been given real teeth since its
humiliation by the Customs Service under Medvedev. It goes beyond antimonopoly. For example,
it reviews incoming foreign investment in the 42 strategic industries. This was originally a
protectionist committee. It gave Pepsico a hard time for buying Wimm-Bill-Dann, clearly a
military asset. These days its approach to foreigners is "How can I help you? Do you want
money?" It is frequently chaired by Putin.
Kudrin's audit committee looks like being FAS Mark 2. He has been given the tools to
take Sechin and other state moguls apart. Will he get to the Rotenbergs/Gazprom?
Their behaviour is outrageous. Certainly not the kind of corporate governance required for
a competitive market. e.g. Gazprom Bank has a Rotenberg son in charge of loans. Gazprom lent
another Rotenberg son the money to build Aviapark. No Rotenberg capital at risk during the
whole process. Now a $1 Bn asset. Kudrin has a target rich environment. Will he settle out of
court or make some high level examples?
Rostek, run by Chemezov, whose main qualification is being buddies with Putin in 1980s
East Germany, famous for passing off an
unsuccessful and outdated Taiwanese manufactured and American designed device as an example
of "Russian innovation" [at pilfering government money].
But you are of course correct. Russia is of course not neoliberal so far as Putin's
kleptocratic chums are concerned. Fortunately, overall domestic economic policy (with said
exceptions) is neoliberal, which rules out a Venezuelan scenario in Russia. That is a good
thing.
But you are of course correct. Russia is of course not neoliberal so far as Putin's
kleptocratic chums are concerned.
Exactly, nor do you have any qualifications nor skills to write about Russia since, and I
quote Margo Simonyan describing your kind.
Maybe you will finally understand that you do not believe us not because we lie, but
because you know horseradish (dick) about surrounding world, because you are badly
educated, do not read much and when do, do not read what is needed, you visit all the wrong
places and communicate with the same small bunch of prejudiced and/or mental people, who
only reinforce your condescending ignorance.
I judge a wo/man not on his/her words, but his/her deeds. Suffice to say, the difference
between Russia in 2000 and Russia today, speaks volumes all by itself and is fully self
explanatory as well.
One day the world will realize how close we've come to WW III in the period between
2015/2020. An extended version of the Cuban missile crisis, if you will, but this time with
only one statesman participating in this conundrum, the president of the Russian Federation,
H.E. Mr. V.V. Putin.
Much blood has been shed in Syria, including Russian, so it would be unfair to single out
one particular country, but I know if it hand't been for Russia stepping up to the plate in
2015, the political landscape [in the M.E. and beyond] would be littered with the corpses of
liberty, freedom and unity and the dust wouldn't settle down for decades to come.
The Russian military went in, turned the tide and most of the temporary influx is
retreating back to the motherland as we speak. That's how a 'job' is done properly.
National identity in USSR was important. Well, it is always important and yes, there was
latent antisemitism (or whatever it is called) in some spheres of Soviet life. Not as big,
though, as Jewish dissidents love to present to those who are ready to listen.
Lots of people pretended to be persecuted just to get freebees in the US and elsewhere.
Antisemitsm was by ~90% the myth created by these people. One example I know first-hand: in
my year at the school of Biology in the best and most privileged Moscow State University
about 20-25% of students were Jewish or half-Jewish, whereas Jews constituted 2-3% of the
USSR population.
And it goes on today. Just over a year ago, Wikileaks source Seth Rich was assassinated. Fox
News and lefty Jimmy Dore reported this, until the Deep State put the screws on and they both
retracted with bogus stories to "correct" their errors. No one talks about this anymore.
"... Although Trump touted the study as a way to "rebuild" the U.S. military when he ordered it in May 2017, economic motives were clearly a crucial factor. Navarro typically cited the importance of a "healthy, growing economy and a resilient industrial base," identifying weapons spending as a key element in achieving such goals. ..."
Other than shouting about building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, one of Donald Trump's
most frequently proclaimed promises on the 2016 campaign trail was the launching of a
half-trillion-dollar plan to repair America's crumbling infrastructure (employing large
numbers of workers in the process). Eighteen months into his administration, no credible
proposal for anything near that scale has been made. To the extent that the Trump
administration has a plan at all for public investment, it involves pumping up Pentagon
spending, not investing in roads, bridges, transportation, better Internet access, or other
pressing needs of the civilian economy.
Not that President Trump hasn't talked about investing in infrastructure. Last February,
he even proposed a scheme that, he claimed, would boost the country's infrastructure with
$1.5 trillion in spending over the next decade. With a typical dose of hyperbole, he
described it as "the biggest and boldest infrastructure investment in American
history."
Analysts from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania -- Trump's alma mater
-- beg to differ. They
note that the plan actually involves only $200 billion in direct federal investment, less
than one-seventh of the total promised. According to Wharton's experts, much of the extra
spending, supposedly leveraged from the private sector as well as state and local
governments, will never materialize. In addition, were such a plan launched, it would, they
suggest, fall short of its goal by a cool trillion dollars. In the end, the spending levels
Trump is proposing would have "little to no impact" on the nation's gross domestic product.
To add insult to injury, the president has
exerted next to no effort to get even this anemic proposal through Congress, where it's
now dead
in the water .
There is, however, one area of federal investment on which Trump and the Congress have
worked overtime with remarkable unanimity to increase spending: the Pentagon, which is slated
to receive more than
$6 trillion over the next decade. This year alone increases will bring total spending on
the Pentagon and related agencies (like the Department of Energy where work on nuclear
warheads takes place) to $716
billion . That $6-trillion, 10-year figure represents more than 30 times as much direct
spending as the president's $200 billion infrastructure plan.
In reality, Pentagon spending is the Trump administration's substitute for a true
infrastructure program and it's guaranteed to deliver public investments, but neglect just about every area
of greatest civilian need from roads to water treatment facilities.
The Pentagon's Covert Industrial Policy
One reason the Trump administration has chosen to pump money into the Pentagon is that
it's the path of least political resistance in Washington. A combination of fear, ideology,
and influence peddling radically skews "debate" there in favor of military outlays above all
else. Fear -- whether of terrorism, Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea -- provides one
pillar of support for the habitual overfunding of the Pentagon and the rest of the national
security state (which in these years has had a combined
trillion-dollar annual budget). In addition, it's generally accepted in Washington that
being tagged "soft on defense" is the equivalent of political suicide, particularly for
Democrats. Add to that the millions of dollars spent by the
weapons industry on lobbying and campaign contributions, its routine practice of hiring
former Pentagon and military officials, and the way it strategically places defense-related
jobs in key states and districts, and it's easy to see how the president and Congress might
turn to arms spending as the basis for a covert industrial policy.
The Trump plan builds on the Pentagon's already prominent role in the economy. By now,
it's the largest
landowner in the country, the
biggest institutional consumer of fossil fuels, the most
significant source of funds for advanced government research and development, and a
major investor in the manufacturing sector. As it happens, though, expanding the
Pentagon's economic role is the least
efficient way to boost jobs, innovation, and economic growth.
Unfortunately, there is no organized lobby or accepted bipartisan rationale for domestic
funding that can come close to matching the levers of influence that the Pentagon and the
arms industry have at their command. This only increases the difficulty Congress has when it
comes to investing in infrastructure, clean energy, education, or other direct paths toward
increasing employment and economic growth.
Former congressman Barney Frank once labeled the
penchant for using the Pentagon as the government's main economic tool "weaponized
Keynesianism" after economist John Maynard Keynes's theory that government spending
should pick up the slack in investment when private-sector spending is insufficient to
support full employment. Currently, of course, the official unemployment rate is low by
historical standards. However,
key localities and constituencies , including the industrial Midwest, rural areas, and
urban ones with significant numbers of black and Hispanic workers, have largely been left
behind. In addition, millions of "discouraged workers" who want a job
but have given up actively looking for one aren't even counted in the official unemployment
figures, wage growth has
been stagnant for years, and the inequality gap between the 1% and
the rest of America is already in Gilded Age
territory.
Such economic distress was crucial to Donald Trump's rise to power. In campaign 2016, of
course, he endlessly denounced unfair trade agreements, immigrants, and corporate flight as
key factors in the plight of what became a significant part of his political base: downwardly
mobile and displaced industrial workers (or those who feared that this might be their future
fate).
The Trump Difference
Although insufficient, increases in defense manufacturing and construction can help areas
where employment in civilian manufacturing has been lagging. Even as it's expanded, however,
defense spending has come to play an ever-smaller role in the U.S. economy, falling
from 8%-10% of the gross domestic product in the 1950s and 1960s to under 4% today. Still, it
remains crucial to the economic base in defense-dependent
locales like southern California, Connecticut, Georgia, Massachusetts, Michigan,
Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, and Washington state. Such places, in turn,
play an outsized political role in Washington because their congressional representatives
tend to cluster on the armed services, defense appropriations, and other key committees, and
because of their significance on the electoral map.
A long-awaited Trump administration "defense industrial base" study should be considered a
tip-off that the president and his key officials see Pentagon spending as the way to
economincally prime the pump. Note, as a start, that the study was overseen not by a defense
official but by the president's economics and trade czar, Peter Navarro, whose formal title
is White House director of trade and industrial policy. A main aim of the study is to find a
way to bolster smaller defense firms that subcontract to giants like Boeing, Raytheon, and
Lockheed Martin.
Although Trump touted the study as a way to "rebuild" the U.S. military when he ordered it
in May 2017, economic motives were clearly a crucial factor. Navarro typically
cited the importance of a "healthy, growing economy and a resilient industrial base,"
identifying weapons spending as a key element in achieving such goals. The CEO of the
Aerospace Industries Association, one of the defense lobby's most powerful trade groups,
underscored Navarro's point when, in July 2017, he insisted that "our industry's
contributions to U.S. national security and economic well-being can't be taken for granted."
(He failed to explain how an industry that absorbs more than
$300 billion per year in Pentagon contracts could ever be "taken for granted.")
Trump's defense-industrial-base policy tracks closely with proposals put forward by Daniel
Goure of the military-contractor-funded Lexington Institute in a December 2016
article titled "How Trump Can Invest in Infrastructure and Make America Great Again."
Goure's main point: that Trump should make military investments -- like building naval
shipyards and ammunition plants -- part and parcel of his infrastructure plan. In doing so,
he caught the essence of the arms industry's case regarding the salutary effects of defense
spending on the economy:
"Every major military activity, whether production of a new weapons system, sustainment of
an existing one or support for the troops, is imbedded in a web of economic activities and
supports an array of businesses. These include not only major defense contractors such as
Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, and Raytheon, but a host of middle-tier and even
mom-and-pop businesses. Money spent at the top ripples through the economy. Most of it is
spent not on unique defense items, but on products and services that have commercial markets
too."
What Goure's analysis neglects, however, is not just that every government investment
stimulates multiple sectors of the economy, but that virtually any other kind would have a
greater ripple
effect on employment and economic growth than military spending does. Underwritten by the
defense industry, his analysis is yet another example of how the arms lobby has distorted
economic policy and debate in this country.
These days, it seems as if there's nothing the military won't get involved in. Take
another recent set of "security" expenditures in what has already
become a billion-dollar-plus business: building and maintaining detention centers for
children, mainly unaccompanied minors from Central America, caught up in the Trump
administration's brutal security crackdown on the U.S.-Mexico border. One company, Southwest
Key, has already
received a $955 million government contract to work on such facilities. Among the other
beneficiaries is the major defense contractor General
Dynamics , normally known for making tanks, ballistic-missile-firing submarines, and the
like, not ordinarily ideal qualifications for taking care of children.
Last but not least, President Trump has worked overtime to tout his promotion of U.S. arms
sales as a jobs program. In a May 2018 meeting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at
the White House (with reporters in attendance), he typically
brandished a map that laid out just where U.S. jobs from Saudi arms sales would be
located. Not coincidentally, many of them would be in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan,
Ohio, and Florida that had provided him with his margin of victory in the 2016 elections.
Trump had already crowed
about such Saudi deals as a source of "jobs, jobs, jobs" during his May 2017 visit to Riyadh,
that country's capital. And he claimed
on one occasion -- against all evidence -- that his deals with the Saudi regime for arms and
other equipment could create "millions of jobs."
The Trump administration's decision to blatantly put jobs and economic benefits for U.S.
corporations above human rights considerations and strategic concerns is likely to have
disastrous consequences. Its continued
sales of bombs and other weapons to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, for
example, allows them to go on prosecuting a
brutal war in Yemen that has already killed thousands of civilians and put millions more
at risk of death from famine and disease. In addition to being morally reprehensible, such an
approach could turn untold numbers of Yemenis and others across the Middle East into U.S.
enemies -- a high price to pay for a few thousand jobs in the arms sector.
Pentagon Spending Versus a Real Infrastructure Plan
While the Trump administration's Pentagon spending will infuse new money into the economy,
it's certainly a misguided way to spur economic growth. As University of Massachusetts
economist Heidi Garrett-Peltier has demonstrated ,
when it comes to creating jobs, military spending lags far behind investment in civilian
infrastructure, clean energy, health care, or education. Nonetheless, the administration is
moving full speed ahead with its military-driven planning.
In addition, Trump's approach will prove hopeless when it comes to addressing the
fast-multiplying problems of the country's ailing infrastructure. The
$683 billion extra that the administration proposes putting into Pentagon spending over
the next 10 years pales in comparison to the trillions of dollars the American Society of
Civil Engineers claims are needed to modernize U.S. infrastructure. Nor will all of that
Pentagon increase even be directed toward construction or manufacturing activities (not to
speak of basic infrastructural needs like roads and bridges). A significant chunk of it will,
for instance, be dedicated to paying the salaries of the military's massive cadre of civilian and
military personnel or health care and other benefits.
In their study, the civil engineers suggest that failing to engage in a major
infrastructure program could cost the economy $4 trillion and 2.5 million jobs by 2025,
something no Pentagon pump-priming could begin to offset. In other words, using the Pentagon
as America's main conduit for public investment will prove a woeful approach when it comes to
the health of the larger society.
One era in which government spending did directly stimulate increased growth,
infrastructural development, and the creation of well-paying jobs was the 1950s, a period for
which Donald Trump is visibly
nostalgic . For him, those years were evidently the last in which America was truly
"great." Many things were deeply wrong with the country in the fifties -- from rampant
racism, sexism, and the denial of basic human rights to McCarthyite witch hunts -- but on the
economic front the government did indeed play a positive role.
In those years, public investment went far beyond Pentagon spending, which President
Dwight Eisenhower (of " military-industrial
complex " fame) actually tried to rein in. It was civilian investments -- from the
G.I. Bill to increased
incentives for housing construction to the building of an interstate highway system --
that contributed in crucial ways to the economic boom of that era. Whatever its failures and
drawbacks, including the ways in which African-Americans and other minorities were grossly
under-represented when it came to
sharing the benefits, the Eisenhower investment strategy did boost the overall economy in a
fashion the Trump plan never will.
The notion that the Pentagon can play a primary role in boosting employment to any
significant degree is largely a myth that serves the needs of the military-industrial
complex, not American workers or Donald Trump's base. Until the political gridlock in
Washington that prevents large-scale new civilian investments of just about any sort is
broken, however, the Pentagon will continue to seem like the only game in town. And we will
all pay a price for those skewed priorities, in both blood and treasure.
"... The implications for today are almost painfully straightforward: the current combination of deficit spending and tax cuts spells disaster for any hopes of shrinking America's striking inequality gap . Instead, credit-card war spending is already fueling the dramatic levels of wealth inequality that have led some observers to suggest that we are living in a new Gilded Age , reminiscent of the enormous divide between the opulent lifestyles of the elite and the grinding poverty of the majority of Americans in the late nineteenth century. ..."
"... Today's wars are paid for almost entirely through loans -- 60% from wealthy individuals and governmental agencies like the Federal Reserve, 40% from foreign lenders. Meanwhile, in October 2001, when Washington launched the war on terror, the government also initiated a set of tax cuts, a trend that has only continued. The war-financing strategies that President George W. Bush began have flowed on without significant alteration under Presidents Obama and Trump. (Obama did raise a few taxes, but didn't fundamentally alter the swing towards tax cuts.) President Trump's extreme tax "reform" package, which passed Congress in December 2017 -- a gift-wrapped dream for the 1% -- only enlarged those cuts. ..."
"... However little the public may realize it, Americans are already feeling the costs of their post-9/11 wars. Those have, after all, massively increased the Pentagon's base budget and the moneys that go into the expanding national security budget , while reducing the amount of money left over for so much else from infrastructure investment to science. In the decade following September 11, 2001, military spending increased by 50% , while spending on every other government program increased only 13.5%. ..."
Credit-Card Wars
Today's War-Financing Strategies Will Only Increase Inequality
By Stephanie
Savell
In the name of the fight against terrorism, the United States is currently waging "
credit-card wars " in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere. Never before has this
country relied so heavily on deficit spending to pay for its conflicts. The consequences are
expected to be ruinous for the long-term fiscal health of the U.S., but they go far beyond the
economic. Massive levels of war-related debt will have lasting repercussions of all sorts. One
potentially devastating effect, a
new study finds, will be more societal inequality.
In other words, the staggering costs of the longest war in American history -- almost 17
years running, since the invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001 -- are being deferred to the
future. In the process, the government is contributing to this country's skyrocketing income
inequality.
Since 9/11, the U.S. has spent
$5.6 trillion on its war on terror, according to the Costs of War Project, which I co-direct, at Brown
University's Watson Institute for
International and Public Affairs . This is a far higher number than the Pentagon's
$1.5 trillion estimate,
which only counts expenses for what are known as "overseas contingency operations," or OCO --
that is, a pot of supplemental money, outside the regular annual budget, dedicated to funding
wartime operations. The $5.6 trillion figure, on the other hand, includes not just what the
U.S. has spent on overseas military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Syria, but
also portions of Homeland Security spending related to counterterrorism on American soil, and
future obligations to care for wounded or traumatized post-9/11 military veterans. The
financial burden of the post-9/11 wars across the Greater Middle East -- and still
spreading , through Africa and other regions -- is far larger than most Americans
recognize.
During prior wars, the U.S. adjusted its budget accordingly by, among other options, raising
taxes to pay for its conflicts. Not so since 2001, when President George W. Bush launched the
"Global War on Terror." Instead, the country has accumulated a staggering amount of debt. Even
if Washington stopped spending on its wars tomorrow, it will still, thanks to those conflicts,
owe more than
$8 trillion in interest alone by the 2050s.
Putting the Gilded Age to Shame
It's hard to fathom what that enormous level of debt will do to our economy and society. A
new Costs of War study by political scientist and historian Rosella Capella Zielinski
offers initial clues about its impact here. She takes a look at how the U.S. has paid for its
conflicts from the War of 1812 through the two World Wars and Vietnam to the present war on
terror. While a range of taxes, bond sales, and other mechanisms were used to raise funds to
fight such conflicts, no financial strategy has relied so exclusively on borrowing -- until
this century. Her study also explores how each type of war financing has affected inequality
levels in this country in the aftermath of those conflicts.
The implications for today are almost painfully straightforward: the current combination
of deficit spending and tax cuts spells disaster for any hopes of shrinking America's striking
inequality gap . Instead, credit-card war spending is already fueling the dramatic levels
of wealth inequality that have led some observers to suggest that we are living in a new
Gilded Age , reminiscent
of the enormous divide between the opulent lifestyles of the elite and the grinding poverty of
the majority of Americans in the late nineteenth century.
Capella Zielinski carefully breaks down what effects the methods used to pay for various
wars have had on subsequent levels of social inequality. During the Civil War, for example, the
government relied primarily on loans from private donors. After that war was over, the American
people had to pay those loans back with interest, which proved a bonanza for financial elites,
primarily in the North. Those wealthy lenders became wealthier still and everyone else, whose
taxes reimbursed them, poorer.
In contrast, during World War I, the government launched a war-bond campaign that targeted
low-income people. War savings stamps were offered for as little as 25 cents and war savings
certificates in denominations starting at $25. Anyone who could make a small down payment could
buy a war bond for $50 and cover the rest of what was owed in installments. In this way, the
war effort promoted savings and, in its wake, a striking number of low-income Americans were
repaid with interest, decreasing the inequality levels of that era.
Taxation strategies have varied quite significantly in various war periods as well. During
World War II, for instance, the government raised tax rates five times between 1940 and 1944,
levying progressively steeper ones on higher income brackets (up to 65% on incomes over $1
million). As a result, though government debt was substantial in the aftermath of a global
struggle fought on many fronts, the impact on low-income Americans could have been far worse.
In contrast, the Vietnam War era began with a tax cut and, in the aftermath of that disastrous
conflict, the U.S. had to deal with unprecedented levels of inflation. Low-income households
bore the brunt of those higher costs, leading to greater inequality.
Today's wars are paid for almost entirely through loans -- 60% from wealthy individuals
and governmental agencies like the Federal Reserve, 40% from foreign lenders. Meanwhile, in
October 2001, when Washington launched the war on terror, the government also initiated a set
of tax cuts, a trend that has only continued. The war-financing strategies that President
George W. Bush began have flowed on without significant alteration under Presidents Obama and
Trump. (Obama did raise a few taxes, but didn't fundamentally
alter the swing towards tax cuts.) President Trump's extreme tax "reform" package, which
passed Congress in December 2017 -- a gift-wrapped dream
for the 1% -- only enlarged those cuts.
In other words, in this century, Washington has combined the domestic borrowing patterns of
the Civil War with the tax cuts of the Vietnam era. That means one predictable thing: a rise in
inequality in a country in which the income inequality gap is already heading
for record territory.
Just to add to the future burden of it all, this is the first time government wartime
borrowing has relied so heavily on foreign debt. Though there is no way of knowing how this
will affect inequality here in the long run, one thing is already obvious: it will transfer
wealth outside the country.
Economist
Linda Bilmes has
argued that there's another new factor involved in Washington's budgeting of today's wars.
In every other major American conflict, after an initial period, war expenditures were
incorporated into the regular defense budget. Since 2001, however, the war on terror has been
funded mainly by supplemental appropriations (those Overseas
Contingency Operations funds), subject to very little oversight. Think of the OCO as a
slush fund
that insures one thing: the true impact of this era's war funding won't hit until far later
since such appropriations are exempt from spending caps and don't have to be
offset elsewhere in the budget.
According to Bilmes, "This process is less transparent, less accountable, and has rendered
the cost of the wars far less visible." As a measure of the invisible impact of war funding in
Washington and elsewhere, she
calculates that, while the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense discussed war
financing in 79% of its hearings during the Vietnam era, since 9/11, there have been similar
mentions at only 17% of such hearings. For its part, the Senate Finance Committee has discussed
war-funding strategy in a thoroughgoing way only once in almost 17 years.
Hidden Tradeoffs and Deferred Costs
The effect of this century's unprecedented budgetary measures is that, for the most part,
the American people don't feel the financial weight of the wars their government is waging --
or rather, they feel it, but don't recognize it for what it is. This corresponds remarkably
well with the wars themselves, fought by a non-draft
military in distant lands and largely
ignored in this country (at least since the vast public demonstrations against the coming
invasion of Iraq ended in the spring of 2003). The
blowback from those wars, the way they are coming home, has also been ignored, financially
and otherwise.
However little the public may realize it, Americans are already feeling the costs of
their post-9/11 wars. Those have, after all, massively increased the Pentagon's base budget and
the moneys that go into the expanding
national security budget , while reducing the amount of money left over for so much else
from infrastructure
investment to science. In the decade following September 11, 2001, military spending
increased by
50% , while spending on every other government program increased only 13.5%.
How exactly does this trade-off work? The National
Priorities Project explains it well. Every year the federal government negotiates levels of
discretionary spending (as distinct from mandatory spending, which largely consists of Social
Security and Medicare). In 2001, there were fewer
discretionary funds allocated to defense than to non-defense programs, but the ensuing war on
terror dramatically inflated military spending relative to other parts of the budget. In 2017,
military and national security spending accounted for 53% of discretionary spending. The 2018
congressionally approved omnibus spending package allocates $700 billion for the military and
$591 billion for non-military purposes, leaving that proportion about the same. (Keep in mind,
that those totals don't even include all the money flowing into that Overseas Contingency
Operations fund). President Trump's proposals for future spending, if accepted by Congress,
would ensure that, by 2023, the proportion of military spending would soar to
65% .
In other words, the rise in war-related military expenditures entails losses for other areas
of federal funding. Pick your issue: crumbling bridges, racial justice, housing, healthcare,
education, climate change -- and it's all being affected by how much this country spends on
war.
Nonetheless, thanks to its credit-card version of war financing, the government has
effectively deferred most of the financial costs of its unending conflicts to the future. This,
in turn, contributes to how
detached most Americans tend to feel from the very fact that their country is now eternally
at war. Political scientist and policy analyst Sarah Kreps argues that Americans become
invested in how a war is being conducted only when they're asked to pay for it. In her
examination of the history of the financing of American wars, she
writes , "The visibility and intrusiveness of taxes are exactly what make individuals
scrutinize the service for which the resources are being used." If there were war taxes today,
their unpopularity would undoubtedly lead Americans to question the costs and consequences of
their country's wars in ways now missing from today's public conversation.
Pressing for a real war budget, though, is not only a mechanism to alert Americans to the
effects (on them) of the wars their government is fighting. It is also a potential lever
through which citizens could affect the country's foreign policy and pressure elected
officials to bring those wars to an end. Some civic groups and activists from across the
political spectrum have indeed been pushing to reduce the Pentagon budget, bloated by war,
corruption , and
fear-mongering . They are, however, up against both the power of an ascendant
military-industrial complex and wars that have been organized, in their funding and in so many
other ways, not to be noticed.
Those who care about this country's economic future would be remiss not to include today's
war financing strategy among the country's most urgent fiscal challenges. Anyone interested in
improving American democracy and the well-being of its people should begin by connecting the
budgetary dots. The more money this country spends on military activities, the more public
coffers will be depleted by war-related interest payments and the less public funding there
will be for anything else. In short, it's time for Americans worried about living in a country
whose inequality gap could soon surpass that of the Gilded Age to begin paying real attention
to our " credit-card
wars ."
" Putin has invaded Ukraine, stealing the Crimea, and attempting to gain a land bridge by
backing a fake revolt in the Donbas with Russian troops, mercenaries, and equipment."
Of course Russia has strategic interests in the Ukraine and the the Crimea is virtually
100% Russian speaking. The Russians remember WW2 and the 20 million Russian dead inflicted
upon them by western Europeans.
If Putin's behavior in the near abroad makes him a "thug," what can we say about Bush,
Obama and Trump?
I find it interesting how while the neocons demonize Putin and are trying to start WW3,
Netanyahu and Putin seem to get along fine. This suggests that the neocons really have
something else in mind besides towing the Israeli line. Namely, keeping the American public
in a state of confusion and acquiescence and ensuring the endless flow of weapons to their
favorite ethnostate.
Putin is just another thug that has imperial desires and is willing to steal his people
blind to realize them.
Other than reliable sources like John Brennan, James Clapper, the New York Times
and the Washington Post , I presume you have evidence to share of this
Putin has invaded Ukraine,
and this.
stealing the Crimea
Two referenda are "stealing"?
a fake revolt in the Donbas with Russian troops, mercenaries, and equipment.
Well, the dead people in Donbas, and their families, would probably disagree it was fake,
particularly since the victim of the US coup d'etat (with its mercenaries) and rightful
President of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovich, was from Donbas. As for the allegations of Russian
troops and equipment, I return to my request for evidence.
Russian troops shot down MH-17. deal with it.
Yup, and Assad gassed his own people, so did Saddam, six kajillion were gassed in a 2 car
garage located next to crematoria at Auschwitz using explosive bug spray, and the Easter
Bunny leaves chocolate eggs at my house every year.
Antony C. Sutton, ´Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution', 1974 New Rochelle,
N.Y.
describes how Wall Street supported bolshevism in order to prevent that German, suppose also
Dutch and other, trade, with Russia was resumed.
WII and the aftermath created the Atlantic alliance.
Just yesterday Pieter Hoekstra, USA ambassador in the Netherlands, stated that Russia
should be punished for MH17 by more sanctions, no new gas pipeline from Russia to
Germany.
What he did not say that this implies our buying of USA gas, 20% more expensive.
The MH17 show, in my opinion is run like the Sept 11 show...
The USA fear about Russia and the EU member states seems to be twofold:
- more trade with Russia makes subjugation of Russia impossible
- more trade with Russia, and the railway connections with China, threaten to turn the USA
into an economic backwater
You seem to be obsessed with neocons, jews etc. Russia is arch-nemesis of the West long
before them. Or we should admit Napoleon and Charles XII of Sweden were manipulated by Masons
or Knight Templars.
Since Western Capitalism arose, Russia stands as anti-system to the West. As a model of
decent society that is possible without usury, exploitation, violence, enslaving and
pillaging other nations – i.e. outside imperialism-colonialism model. Powers that
control the West live in constant fear since with mighty Russia their time is always limited,
and their power is finite.
"Or we should admit Napoleon and Charles XII of Sweden were manipulated by Masons or
Knight Templars."
They were.
Of course, the Freemasons also penetrated Russia under Peter the Great and were necessary
to all revolutionary activity in the Russian Empire from at least the 1820s.
"... In 2015, suicides accounted for over 60 percent of gun deaths in the U.S., while homicides made up around 36 percent of that year's total. Guns are consistently the most common method by which people take their own lives. ..."
"... When veterans return home from chaotic war zones, resuming normal civilian life can present major difficulties. The stresses of wartime create a long-term, sustained "fight-or-flight" response, not only producing physical symptoms such as sweating, shaking or a racing heart rate, but inflicting a mental and moral toll as well. ..."
"... "Over the course of the year I was there, the units I was embedded with lost three men, and all of them were lost to suicide, not to enemy action," Van Buren said. "This left an extraordinary impression on me, and triggered in me some of the things that I write about." ..."
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At War With Ourselves: The Domestic Consequences of Foreign Policies June 25, 2018 •
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There is a direct connection between gun violence and suicide rates in the United States and America's aggressive foreign policy,
argues Will Porter.
How America's Gun Violence Epidemic May Have Roots in Overseas War Zones
By Will Porter Special to Consortium News
In recent months a string of school shootings in the United States has rekindled the debate
over gun violence, its causes and what can be done to stop it. But amid endless talk of school shootings and AR-15s, a large piece
of the puzzle has been left conspicuously absent from the debate.
Contrary to the notion that mass murderers are at the heart of America's gun violence problem, data from recent years reveals
that the majority of gun deaths are self-inflicted.
In 2015, suicides accounted for
over 60 percent of gun deaths
in the U.S., while homicides made up around 36 percent of that year's total. Guns are consistently the
most common method by which people take their own
lives.
While the causes of America's suicide-driven gun epidemic are complex and myriad, it's clear that one group contributes to the
statistics above all others: military veterans.
Beyond the Physical
According to a
2016 study conducted by the Department of Veterans Affairs, on average some 20 veterans commit suicide every single day, making
them among the most prone to take their own lives compared to people working in other professions. Though they comprise under 9 percent
of the American population, veterans
accounted for 18 percent of suicides in the U.S. in 2014.
When veterans return home from chaotic war zones, resuming normal civilian life can present major difficulties. The stresses of
wartime create a long-term, sustained "fight-or-flight" response, not only producing physical symptoms such as sweating, shaking
or a racing heart rate, but inflicting a mental and moral toll as well.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) accounts for some of the physiological effects of trauma, the "fight-or-flight" response,
but the distinct mental, moral and spiritual anguish experienced by many veterans and other victims of trauma has been termed "
moral injury ."
A better understanding of that concept and the self-harm it motivates could go a long way toward explaining, and ultimately solving,
America's suicide epidemic.
"Moral injury looks beyond the physical and asks who we are as people," Peter Van Buren, a former State Department Foreign Service
officer, said in an interview. "It says that we know right from wrong, and that when we violate right and wrong, we injure ourselves.
We leave a scar on ourselves, the same as if we poked ourselves with a knife."
While not a veteran himself, during his tenure with the Foreign Service Van Buren served for one year alongside American soldiers
at a forward operating base in Iraq. His experiences there would stick with him for life.
"Over the course of the year I was there, the units I was embedded with lost three men, and all of them were lost to suicide,
not to enemy action," Van Buren said. "This left an extraordinary impression on me, and triggered in me some of the things that I
write about."
Van Buren: A profound sense of guilt.
After retiring from the Foreign Service, Van Buren began research for his novel "
Hooper's War ," a fictional account set in WWII Japan. The book centers on American
veteran, Nate Hooper, and explores the psychological costs paid by those who survive a war. Van Buren said if he set the book in
the past, he thought he could better explore the subject matter without the baggage of current-day politics.
In his research, Van Buren interviewed Japanese civilians who were children at the time of the conflict and found surprising parallels
with the soldiers he served with in Iraq. Post-war guilt, he found, does not only afflict the combatants who fight and carry out
grisly acts of violence, but civilians caught in the crossfire as well.
For many, merely living through a conflict when others did not is cause for significant distress, a condition known as "survivor's
guilt."
"In talking with them I heard so many echoes of what I'd heard from the soldiers in Iraq, and so many echoes of what I felt myself,
this profound sense of guilt," Van Buren said.
'We Killed Them'
Whether it was something a soldier did, saw or failed to prevent, feelings of guilt can leave a permanent mark on veterans after
they come home.
Brian Ellison, a combat veteran who served under the National Guard in Iraq in 2004, said he's still troubled by his wartime experiences.
Stationed at a small, under protected maintenance garage in the town of ad-Diwaniyah in a southeastern province of Iraq, Ellison
said his unit was attacked on a daily basis.
"From the day we got there, we would get attacked every night like clockwork -- mortars, RPGs," Ellison said. "We had no protection;
we had no weapons systems on the base."
On one night in April of 2004, after a successful mission to obtain ammunition for the base's few heavy weapons, Ellison's unit
was ready to hit back.
"So we got some rounds for the Mark 19 [a belt-fed automatic grenade launcher] and we basically used it as field artillery, shot
it up in the air and lobbed it in," Ellison said. "Finally on the last night we were able to get them to stop shooting, but that
was because we killed 5 of them. At the time this was something I was proud of. We were like 'We got them, we got our revenge.'"
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"In retrospect, it's like here's this foreign army, and we're in their neighborhood," Ellison said. "They're defending their neighborhood,
but they're the bad guys and we're the good guys, and we killed them. I think about stuff like that a lot."
Despite his guilt, Ellison said he was able to sort through the negative feelings by speaking openly and honestly about his experiences
and actions. Some veterans have a harder time, however, including one of Ellison's closest friends.
"He ended up going overseas like five times," Ellison said. "Now he's retired and he can't even deal with people. He can't
deal with people, it's sad. He was this funny guy, everybody's friend, easy to get along with, now he's a recluse. It's really weird
to see somebody like that. He had three young kids and a happy personality, now he's broken."
In addition to the problems created in their personal relationships, the morally injured also often turn to self-destructive habits
to cope with their despair.
"In the process of trying to shut this sound off in your head -- this voice of conscience -- many people turn to drugs and alcohol
as a way of shutting that voice up, at least temporarily," Van Buren said. "You hope at some point it shuts up permanently . . .
Unfortunately, I think that many people do look for the permanent silence of suicide as a way of escaping these feelings."
A Hero's Welcome?
By now most are familiar with the practice of celebrating veterans as heroes upon their return from war, but few realize what
psychological consequences such apparently benevolent gestures can have.
"I think the healthiest thing a vet can do is to come to terms with reality," Ellison said. "It's so easy to get swept up -- when
we came home off the plane, there was a crowd of people cheering for us. I just remember feeling dirty. I felt like 'I don't want
you to cheer for us,' but at the same time it's comforting. It's a weird dynamic. Like, I could just put this horror out of my mind
and pretend we were heroes."
"But the terrible part is that, behind that there's reality," Ellison said. "Behind that, we know what we were doing; we know
that we weren't fighting for freedom. So when somebody clings onto this 'we were heroes' thing, I think that's bad for them. They
have to be struggling with it internally. I really believe that's one of the biggest things that contributes to people committing
suicide. They're not able to talk about it, not able to bring it to the forefront and come to terms with it."
Unclear Solution
According to the 2016 VA study, 70 percent of veterans who commit suicide are not regular users of VA services.
The Department of Veteran Affairs was set up in 1930 to handle medical care, benefits and burials for veterans, but some 87 years
later, the department is plagued by scandal and mismanagement. Long wait times,
common to
many government-managed
healthcare systems, discourage veterans from seeking the department's assistance, especially those with urgent psychiatric needs.
An independent review was carried out in 2014 by the VA's Inspector General, Richard Griffin, which
found that at one Arizona VA facility, 1,700 veterans were on wait lists, waiting an average of 115 days before getting an initial
appointment.
"People don't generally seek medical help because the [VA] system is so inefficient and ineffective; everyone feels like it's
a waste of time," said a retired senior non-commissioned officer in the Special Operations Forces (SOF) who wished to remain anonymous.
"The system is so bad, even within the SOF world where I work, that I avoid going at all costs," the retired officer said. "I
try to get my guys to civilian hospitals so that they can get quality healthcare instead of military healthcare."
Beyond institutions, however, both Ellison and Van Buren agreed that speaking openly about their experiences has been a major
step on their road back to normalcy. Open dialogue, then, is not only one way for veterans and other victims of trauma to heal, it
may ultimately be the key to solving America's epidemic of gun violence.
The factors contributing to mass murders, school shootings and private crime are, no doubt, important to study, but so long as
suicide is left out of the public discourse on guns, genuine solutions may always be just out of reach.
Will Porter is a journalist who specializes in U.S. foreign policy and Middle East affairs. He writes for the Libertarian
Institute and tweets at @WKPancap.
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A more constructive new on neocons is as well-paid MIC lobbyists. The fact that many Jews
are talented lobbyists can explain the concentration of this particular nationality far better,
although initially neocons really were mostly turn coat Trotskyites.
The neocons believe in only two things. First, that the United States is the sole world
superpower, given license by something like a Divine Entity to exercise global leadership
by force if necessary.
Sounds very similar to another nation that rules over the USA and uses our military for
their private merc army, Israel, who claims they have a divine right to Palestine and can
kill as many Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians as they want.
After all, their G-d declared them to be his pet project and you don't want to go against
G-d, do you?
Not all Jews are neocons, but damn near every neocon is a Jew.
Irving Krystol, the "Godfather of Neoconservatism," is just one example. If you search
YouTube you can find a Brian Lamb Booknotes episode where he interviews Krystol about this
book, "Neoconservatism; an Autobiography."
He admits in this interview, as well as in the book, that he and most of the early neocons
were former Trotskyites.
The first generation of neocons -- Irving Kristol, Nathan Glazer, Daniel Bell, Gertrude
Himmelfarb, etc. Maybe Norman Podhoretz, but he was always more of a 'main chance' guy.
The rallying cry of world revolution has filtered down after a fashion to their heirs.
It's still all war all the time. And at the end of the day, when the wars have subdued the
planet, who will be chosen to grasp the reins of world government? One guess.
It was and is Jewish and Zionist at its core, without any question.
Wilton was a highly respected journalist whose claims seem to be reflexted in statements
by various, and equally maligned/suppressed writers of the time.
It's not quite a secret. The fact is just hidden by the neocons and their enablers. They
used to trumpet it, though.
There's a quite robust body of evidence, including the principals themselves celebrating
their communism, that shows the founders of neo-conservatism, Irving Kristol, et al were
communists.
Moreover, they were communists of the international revolution variety–the flavor
known as Trotskyism.
Here's Irving Kristol, the godfather of neoconservatism, in an article for the NY Times,
titled "Memoirs of a Trotskyist:"
"I was graduated from City College in the spring of 1940, and the honor I most prized was
the fact that I was a member in good standing of the Young People's Socialist League (Fourth
International). This organization was commonly, and correctly, designated as Trotskyist (not
"Trotskyite," which was a term used only by the official Communists, or "Stalinists" as we
called them, of the day)"
Here's a chart, helpfully prepared by the Washington Post, tracing the genealogy of
neocons:
On the one hand, it has lately become common to hide the Judaism of various figures; 'I
wonder if he's Jewish' can turn into quite a hunt.
On the other hand, some parties seem to label all and sundry as 'Jews.'
Speaking for myself, I wish I just didn't care. Certainly as of twenty years ago, I could
have honestly said I didn't. However, Israel and the fact of our support for her, and the
fact that most Jews ultimately support Israel to one degree or another, make the question
relevant.
Jewish sympathy for Communism causes and is caused by Jewish antipathy to nationalism on the
part of gentiles. Many articles written during the Cold War attest to the Jewish fear that
the demise of Communism would unleash anti-Semitism. For example a piece in the Washington
Post by Joseph Kraft of the ADA on the occasion of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia
advised non-intervention on the grounds that Communism wasn't so bad: it kept a lid on
ancient ethnic hatreds. I have heard this line from many apologists for eastern European
Communism.
The anti-nationalist agenda dovetails with the liberal views of Jews on social issues,
since the EU and NATO have become enforcers of political correctness, while the politically
incorrect traditional attitudes of Slavic countries would likely be defended by nationalist
parties. Many Jews would like to see ethnic Russians and their Orthodox church again
subjugated or at least marginalized with a fellow Jew like Garry Kasparov in charge, and they
aren't too keen on Catholicism either.
It's unfortunate that the role of ethnic animosity in the panic over detente cannot be
mentioned in polite society. It is the only factor that explains the datum of near-universal
Jewish antipathy to Russia beginning after the collapse of Communism. I hope this taboo is
successfully challenged going forward, since, as a Christian, I am grateful for Russia as the
only Christian power left in the world.
Putin said that Russia has been blocked from participating in the ongoing international
investigation into the 2014 downing of flight MH17, which Russia has been recently blamed
for. Russian experts "have been denied access to the investigation," said Putin, while
Russia's arguments are "not taken into consideration" because nobody "is interested in
hearing us out."
Truly sensational new document leak confirms Kiev's direct responsibility for shooting
down the Malesian Airlines flight MH17 in Donbass on July 17, 2014. Ukrainian top secret
official documents show us that the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) was ordered to hide
all evidence from the Ukrainian responsibility and especially everything which could prove
Ukrainian air forces involvement in executed secret state terrorism operation.
The documents are leaked by Ukrainian official to the Sovershenno Sekretno newspaper.
Russian and English translations from the orginal articles are available with copies of the
leaked documents, which show written orders given by Ukrainian top officials concerning
concealing of the operation, shooting down the flight MH17 .
This article first published on July 30, 2014 contradicts the substance of the recently
released Dutch Safety Board Report. We are bringing it to the attention of our readers in
view of the soon to be released BBC TV documentary, which suggests that the MH17 was shot
down by a Ukrainian jet fighter.
Although the Dutch report concluded that the Russian-made BUK surface-to-air missile
with a 9N314M warhead brought down the Boeing 777, it did not mention which side was
responsible for firing the missile (International Business Times, March 8, 2016
The evidence amply confirms that Malaysian Airlines MH17 was not brought down by a
surface to air missile. It was brought down by military aircraft .
Joint Investigation Team Includes, Excludes Surprising Members
With the Dutch leading the investigation, the logic being that the flight originated from
the Netherlands and the majority of the passengers were Dutch, it has formed a Joint
Investigation Team (JIT). At the onset of its creation it seemed obvious that Malaysia would
too be included, considering it lost the second largest number of citizens to the disaster
and the plane itself was registered in Malaysia. Instead, JIT would end up comprised of
Belgium, Ukraine, and Australia, specifically excluding Malaysia.
Joint Investigation Team Includes, Excludes Surprising Members
With the Dutch leading the investigation, the logic being that the flight originated
from the Netherlands and the majority of the passengers were Dutch, it has formed a Joint
Investigation Team (JIT). At the onset of its creation it seemed obvious that Malaysia
would too be included, considering it lost the second largest number of citizens to the
disaster and the plane itself was registered in Malaysia. Instead, JIT would end up
comprised of Belgium, Ukraine , and Australia, specifically excluding Malaysia.
Malaysia was both surprised and has protested its exclusion from JIT , and has
repeatedly expressed a desire to be included directly in the investigation.
I will never understand why Russia was foolish enough to turn the plane's black box over
(with no strings attached) to Dutch authorities. You would think they would have, at the
minimum maintained physical possession, while allowing one or more neutral parties to examine
and publish it's contents.
I think it's important to point out that Putin is rather philo-semitic. As evident by his
friendship with Roman Abramovich, Putin is ok with Jewish oligarchs, as long as they play by
his rules ( http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-admits-a-refugee
). Also, despite being allies with Syria and Iran, Putin has always been on relatively good
terms with Israel and its leaders, especially Avigdor Lieberman.
Ironically, Mark Weber, whose work Mr. Giraldi links to, could be arrested in Putin's
Russia. Thus, the idea that Putin is hostile to Jewish interests is absurd.
First, Putin is a pragmatist and nationalist ..Russia is his only favoritism.
Second, due to Jewish narcissism they think the law was all about them. It wasn't. It
doesn't mention the holocaust. It says :
'Denial of Nazi crimes and "wittingly spreading false information about the activity of
the USSR during the years of World War Two"
This was Putin's "Polish Lite' law ..i.e ..divorcing Russia from any crimes during WWII
and throwing all blame on the Nazis for any war crimes . 'like' killing Jews. Its his
'balancing act' after also condemning anti-Islam attitudes .
Putin is nipping in the bud any and all ethnic attitudes that could cause the same
domestic and political 'unrest' that is now rampant in Europe and the US.
Which is why he also did this: .no 'ethnic ' or 'foreign' agents are going to get a
foothold in Russia .
Russia Deports Israeli Rabbi, Second Deportation of Chabad Rabbi in 2017
For the second time this year, Russian authorities have ordered out of the country a foreign
Chabad rabbi who had lived there for years.
"This week, a Moscow district court ordered Yosef Khersonsky, an Israeli who heads one of
the capital's communities, to leave the Russian Federation in connection with his "setting up
without permission a for-profit foreign entity," the RIA Novosti news agency reported. The
court did not specify the nature of the entity.
In its ruling against Ari Edelkopf, the Krasnodar Court of Appeals accepted the determination
of a Sochi tribunal that Edelkopf, who had been working as Chabad's emissary to the city, was
a threat to national security
Approximately half of the 70 rabbis working for the Chabad-affiliated Federation of Jewish
Communities of Russia are foreign. At least eight of them have been denied permission to work
in Russia over the past decade, Gorin told JTA in March
Under legislation from 2012 that imposed major limitations on the work of groups with foreign
funding, a Jewish charitable group from Ryazan, near Moscow, was flagged in 2015 by the
Justice Ministry as a "foreign agent" over its funding from the American Jewish Joint
Distribution Committee and its reproduction in a newsletter of political op-eds that appeared
in the L'chaim Jewish weekly
Last year, a court in Sverdlovsk convicted a teacher, Semen Tykman, of inciting hatred among
students at his Chabad school against Germans and propagating the idea of Jewish superiority.
Authorities raided his school and another one in 2015, confiscating textbooks, which some
Russian Jews suggested was to create a semblance of equivalence with Russia's crackdown on
radical Islam.
says: June 5, 2018 at
8:29 pm GMT 800 Words The fates of Christianity and Communism are both strange and
ironic.
Christianity was the New Faith of heretical Jews who turned against Jewish Tradition. It was
led by radical Jews at odds with Traditional Jews. But even though spread overwhelmingly by
Jews, it became the Faith of non-Jews who came to oppress Jews.
Communism was the New Ideology of radical Jews who reviled Jewish Community and Culture.
Karl Marx loathed Jewishness and its association with greed, exploitation, and capitalism. And
he inspired a generation of radical Jews who were committed to universal justice based on
'scientific' and 'materialist' reading of history. Early communism was dominated by radical
Jews as early Christianity was dominated by heretical Jews.
But as with Christianity, Communism eventually came to be owned by non-Jews who turned
anti-Jewish and anti-Zionist. Why did this problem arise? Because even as many Jews turned
toward universalism and against their own tribalism, many Jews remained tribal or made common
cause with forces at war with radical universalism. Suppose ALL JEWS around the world had
embraced universal socialism when Soviet Union was coming into its own. Soviet Union would
likely not have turned against Jews. But, in fact, even as many Jews did become full-fledged
communists and univeralists, many Jews remained either Jewish or allied with International
Capitalists that waged war on Communism.
And over time, there were signs of second thoughts or dual loyalty among Communist Jews. Were
they communist first or Jewish first? Or did they try to be both at the same time? But can one
be Jewish-tribalist and communist all at once? (Can one be Jewish and Christian at once?)
Likewise, there would have been no Christian 'antisemitism' IF All Jews had converted to
Christianity and gave up on tribalism. But even as a good number of Jews did adopt the New
Faith, the bulk of the Jewish community kept with Tribalism. So, even though Christianity was
founded by Jews, it turned into an anti-Jewish religion. Too many Jews were seen as resistant
and even hostile to the Universal Faith.
Furthermore, there is something intrinsic to Jewish personality and temperament that
ultimately recoils from universalism. Even as secularists, Jews tend to feel 'special' and
'unique', indeed superior over dimwit goyim. This egotism among Jews makes them both
universalist and anti-universalist. It makes them universalist ON THEIR OWN TERMS. Because they
are so smart, wise, and prophetic, their superior ideas must be good and right for all of
mankind. They want to play the role of Moses laying down the Laws for all peoples. But once the
goy masses adopt the New Law as universal truth, Jews begin to grow bored with established
universalism that now seems mediocre and humdrum. It was exciting when they conceived of it and
presented it to humanity as The Shining Truth. But once that Truth becomes official dogma to
every idiot on the street, Jews grow bored and react against univeralism that has lost its
luster.
This contradiction is seen in Judaism itself. It says there is only one God, the only true God;
Jews know better than pagans who believe in silly stupid idols. And yet, Jews want to keep this
God for themselves through the special Covenant. Thus, Jewish God is universal in conception
but tribal in contract(to Jews).
Of late, Jews came up with a new faith that might be called Homomania. Will it also go the
way of Christianity and Communism? Will it turn against Jews and/or will Jews grow tired of
it?
And yet, Homomania may remain as a weapon of Jews because, unlike Christianity and Communism,
it favors elite-minoritism. It is essentially a special alliance between homo minority elites
and Jewish minority elites. So, even as majority of dimwit goyim become enamored of Homomania,
it can never belong to them in the way the Christianity or Communism could. No matter how many
goyim worship Homomania, the object of worship won't be universal brotherhood of man but elite
tooter-hood of fancy neo-aristo fruits(financed by Jews). Also, unlike Christianity and
Communism that eventually came to favor mediocrity -- Jesus favored the meek, and Marx &
Lenin stood for common workers -- , the very nature of Homomania is celebration of elitism,
vanity, egotism, narcissism, privilege, new fashions & fads, and fancy-pants stuff that
homos love so much. As Jews are rich and homos are whoopsy-vain, they make natural allies in
the Current Year.
'Neoconservatism' also isn't likely to fall into the hands of non-Jews. Unlike the spiritual
populism of Christianity and economic populism of Communism, Neoconservatism was devised to be
esoteric-elitist-hegemonic based on carefully crafted coordination among media, academia,
think-tanks, Intelligence services, Deep State, and Israel. So, even though Neo-conservatism
pays lip-service to Humanitarianism and Spreading Democracy, its real agenda and operations are
a very exclusive affair. Leo Strauss came up with a way to Talk the Walk and Walk the Talk.
OK, book report time. I have just finished reading Bad Blood , by John Carreyrou of the Wall Street
Journal. Good read, fascinating story. It is the saga of Elizabeth Holmes, founder of
Theranos, the miraculous blood-testing company of Silicon Valley. Holmes, formerly said to be
worth $4.5 billion, ended up under criminal indictment for fraud as of 2015. I suppose many
have heard vaguely of Theranos, as I had, but the actual story is astonishing.
Holmes, 19, drops out of Stanford to start a medical-instrumentation company. She is very
smart, very driven, very self-confident, very glib, very cold-blooded, very manipulative, very
willing to take risks, very pretty, and very ruthless. Everything about her is very. If the
foregoing resembles the clinical description of a psychopath, there is a reason.
She also knows almost nothing of the sciences, and nothing at all of electronic or
mechanical engineering, or of medical instrumentation. That is, she has no qualifications in
the field. She is just very–that word again–smart and pretty and talks a swell
show. And yet ye gods and little catfishes, what she managed to do.
Her goal was to invent a medical blood-analyzer that could do a large number of tests on a
single drop of blood from a pricked finger. It was a bright idea. If it had worked, it would
have been a (very) big deal. This of course is also true of anti-gravity space shps and
perpetual motion machines. Making it work required nothing beyond difficult mechanical
engineering, electronic engineering, programming, microfluidics, and a few things that were
impossible. She knew none of these fields.
But holy smack-and-kerpow, Batman, could she talk. Soon she had investment money pouring in.
On her board she got–yes–Henry everlovin' Kissinger and James Mattis (uh-huh, that
one,) and former Secretaries of State and Defense and just about every heavy hitter except Pope
Francis. More money rained down. I mean with people like that vouching for her, Hank the Kiss
and Mad Dog Mattis, it had to be legit–right? She even managed to cozy up to the Clintons
and Obama.
Meanwhile the wretched blood gizmo wouldn't, didn't, and couldn't as it turned out, work. It
was a metal box with inside it a glue-gun robot arm out of Jersey–I am not inventing
this–that made grinding noises and could do only a few tests with wildly unreliable
results. You might think of it as Uncle Clunk. Just the thing you want your life to depend on.
And lives do depend on good lab results.("OK, lady, Uncle Clunk says you got brain cancer. We
have to remove your brain.") Heh. Oops.
So Holmes, who could talk the bark off a tree, faked it. To be fair, she probably thought it
would work or hoped it might and turned to chicanery only when it didn't. Anyway, many of her
deceptions were clearly fraudulent–well, clearly if you knew about them. For example,
most of her results were obtained using commercial analyzers from outfits like Siemens instead
of Uncle Clunk. Financial projections were wildly dishonest. Many employees quit over ethhical
concerns–but they were bound by sharp-fanged nondisclosure agreements they had to sign to
be hired. It was nonsense. Nothing worked. But nobody knew.
Thing was, across America there was a terrific will to believe. Her story was just too good
to pass up. People wanted a female Steve Jobs, a girl to join the boys in a startup world of
wunderkind guys like Gates and Jobs and Wozniak and Zuckerberg and all. There just weren't any
girls. Sure, a few, sort of, a little bit, like Marissa Mayer at Google, but Page and Bryn were
the real starters-up. Holmes was beautiful, smart, so very appealing and just a dynamite
entrepreneur. She had this astonishingly successful company.
Which didn't have a product.
Note that most of the dazzling university dropouts who became billionaires are in software,
not biological sciences. The few in hardware brilliantly put together readily comprehended
pieces, like CPUs and memory chips. There is a reason for this. Programming takes a lot of
brains and little knowledge. Medicine takes reasonable intelligence and lots of knowledge.
Molecular biology takes a lot of brains and a lot of knowledge. A (very) bright kid can learn
Python or C-plus-plus in a couple of months in mommy's basement and actually be a programmer.
It doesn't work with complicated multidisciplinary computerized micro-fluidized gadgets
involving robotic glue-arms. At least, it didn't work.
I wonder why nobody thought of this. When asked for evidence, she ducked, dodged, lied, said
the check was in the mail, and any day now.
The non-disclosure agreements saved her, for a while. All employees had to sign them. Her
lawyer, who was also on her board, was the scary super lawyer David Boies. If you were a
midlevel lab worker, and knew that reagents were out of date, that bad results were being
hidden, that Uncle Clunk didn't work–and said so, a savage law firm with unlimited funds
and, as events proved, not a lot of ethics, would litigate you into sleeping in alleys.
Consequently much was known, but little was said.
Meanwhile–this is crazier than Aunt Sadie, that we kept in the attic–she got
freaking Safeway and Walgreens to bite on putting Theranos booths in their stores so customers
could get quick finger-prick analyses for very little money. Both companies bought into this,
and actually built the booths at considerable expense, without insisting on seeing proof of her
claims. I wonder what she was thinking. The scam obviously was going to collapse at some point.
And did.
A better question might be what her board members and the chain-store executives were
thinking. They were bosses of huge corporations and presumably astute. How did she get away
with it? I will guess. Most of those gulled were old men, or nearly so. Note that old men,
powerful men, rich men, and famous men, are nevertheless men. Holmes was a honey, slender, very
pretty, well-groomed, appealing, smart, and maybe the daughter or girlfriend or mistress that
her prey would have liked.
Andrea Dworkin. Finally, a cure for self-abuse. Would the old guys on Elizabeth's board have
been as smitten by Andrea?
As the Wall Street Journal closed in, and Theranos got wind of it, things became
ethically interesting. Holmes of course knew that Theranos was endangering lives, and had
already established a lack of morality. Some of the board came to suspect and quietly bailed.
The employees were intimidated, though several talked to the Journal anonymously.
But superlawyer David Boies and his associate Heather King among others at the firm knew.
They tried every legal means, or maybe I mean lawyerly means, to block publication of the
story. When federal regulatory agencies issued a long, detailed investigative report making it
absolutely clear that Theranos did not even come close to legality, and was therefore
endangering lives–Boies and King tried to suppress that too. Their success was not great
as the Journal put the whole gorgeous taco online, but they tried. It is a curious fact,
but a fact, that lawyers are often accessories to crime.
Antony C. Sutton, ´Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution', 1974 New Rochelle,
N.Y.
describes how Wall Street supported bolsjewism in order to prevent that German, suppose also
Dutch and other, trade, with Russia was resumed.
WII and the aftermath created the Atlantic alliance.
Just yesterday Pieter Hoekstra, USA ambassador in the Netherlands, stated that Russia should
be punished for MH17 by more sanctions, no new gas pipeline from Russia to Germany.
What he did not say that this implies our buying of USA gas, 20% more expensive. The MH17
show, in my opinion is run like the Sept 11 show. Or even the holocaust show, constant
reminders.
The USA fear about Russia and the EU member states seems to be twofold:
more trade with Russia, and the railway connections with China, threaten to turn the USA
into an economic backwater
Precisely. US could eventually (20-30 years from now) turn into a country similar to many
Latin American countries: rich in resources, demographically messy and ungovernable, weak
infrastructure, but above all remote and quasi-provincial.
The 'Atlanticist' project is meant to forestall the provincial Latin American future.
Washington does have some tools: dollar domination, military force, Hollywood, technology.
But none of those are necessarily sustainable without also actively messing up
Euro-Russia-China economic convergence. It might require a war to delay the inevitable slow
descend into a backwater across the Atlantic.
The Communist diaspora in Europe and America was also largely Jewish, including the cabal
of founders of neoconservativism in New York City. The United States Communist Party was from
the start predominantly Jewish. It was in the 1930s headed by Jew Earl Browder, grandfather
of the current snake oil salesman Bill Browder, who has been sanctimoniously proclaiming his
desire to punish Vladimir Putin for various alleged high crimes.
Earl Browder was not, so far as I know, born a Jew. While living in the Soviet Union he
married a Russian Jewess named Raisa Berkman. One of their sons, Felix, married another Jewess,
Eva Tislowitz, and Bill Browder was their son. He is matrilineally Jewish.
Apart from this minor quibble, the description of Bill Browder's career seems quite
accurate.
"Immigration" has become the dominant issue dividing Europe and the US, yet the most important matter which is driving millions
to emigrate is overlooked is wars.
In this paper we will discuss the reasons behind the massification of immigration, focusing on several issues, namely (1) imperial
wars (2) multi-national corporate expansion (3) the decline of the anti-war movements in the US and Western Europe (4) the weakness
of the trade union and solidarity movements.
We will proceed by identifying the major countries affected by US and EU wars leading to massive immigration, and then turn to
the western powers forcing refugees to 'follow' the flows of profits.
Imperial Wars and Mass Immigration
The US invasions and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq uprooted several million people, destroying their lives, families, livelihood,
housing and communities and undermining there security.
As a result, most victims faced the choice of resistance or flight. Millions chose to flee to the West since the NATO countries
would not bomb their residence in the US or Europe.
Others who fled to neighboring countries in the Middle East or Latin America were persecuted, or resided in countries too poor
to offer them employment or opportunities for a livelihood.
Some Afghans fled to Pakistan or the Middle East but discovered that these regions were also subject to armed attacks from the
West.
Iraqis were devastated by the western sanctions, invasion and occupation and fled to Europe and to a lesser degree the US , the
Gulf states and Iran.
Libya prior to the US-EU invasion was a 'receiver' country accepting and employing millions of Africans, providing them with citizenship
and a decent livelihood. After the US-EU air and sea attack and arming and financing of terrorist gangs, hundreds of thousands of
Sub-Sahara immigrants were forced to flee to Europe. Most crossed the Mediterranean Sea to the west via Italy, Spain, and headed
toward the affluent European countries which had savaged their lives in Libya.
The US-EU financed and armed client terrorist armies which assault the Syrian government and forced millions of Syrians to flee
across the border to Lebanon,Turkey and beyond to Europe, causing the so-called 'immigration crises' and the rise of rightwing anti-immigrant
parties. This led to divisions within the established social democratic and conservative parties,as sectors of the working class
turned anti-immigrant.
Europe is reaping the consequences of its alliance with US militarized imperialism whereby the US uproots millions of people and
the EU spends billions of euros to cover the cost of immigrants fleeing the western wars.
Most of the immigrants' welfare payments fall far short of the losses incurred in their homeland. Their jobs homes, schools, and
civic associations in the EU and US are far less valuable and accommodating then what they possessed in their original communities.
Economic Imperialism and Immigration: Latin America
US wars, military intervention and economic exploitation has forced millions of Latin Americans to immigrate to the US.. Nicaragua,
El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras engaged in popular struggle for socio-economic justice and political democracy between 1960 –
2000. On the verge of victory over the landed oligarchs and multinational corporations, Washington blocked popular insurgents by
spending billions of dollars, arming, training, advising the military and paramilitary forces. Land reform was aborted; trade unionists
were forced into exile and thousands of peasants fled the marauding terror campaigns.
The US-backed oligarchic regimes forced millions of displaced and uprooted pr unemployed and landless workers to flee to the US.
US supported coups and dictators resulted in 50,000 in Nicaragua, 80,000 in El Salvador and 200,000 in Guatemala. President Obama
and Hillary Clinton supported a military coup in Honduras which overthrew Liberal President Zelaya -- which led to the killing and
wounding of thousands of peasant activists and human rights workers, and the return of death squads, resulting in a new wave of immigrants
to the US.
The US promoted free trade agreement (NAFTA) drove hundreds of thousands of Mexican farmers into bankruptcy and into low wage
maquiladoras; others were recruited by drug cartels; but the largest group was forced to immigrate across the Rio Grande. The US
'Plan Colombia' launched by President Clinton established seven US military bases in Colombia and provided 1 billion dollars in military
aid between 2001 – 2010. Plan Colombia doubled the size of the military.
The US backed President Alvaro Uribe, resulting in the assassination of over 200,000 peasants, trade union activists and human
rights workers by Uribe directed narco-death squad.Over two million farmers fled the countryside and immigrated to the cities or
across the border.
US business secured hundreds of thousands of Latin American low wages, agricultural and factory workers almost all without health
insurance or benefits – though they paid taxes.
Immigration doubled profits, undermined collective bargains and lowered US wages. Unscrupulous US 'entrepreneurs' recruited immigrants
into drugs, prostitution, the arms trade and money laundering.
Politicians exploited the immigration issue for political gain – blaming the immigrants for the decline of working class living
standards distracting attention from the real source : wars, invasions, death squads and economic pillage.
Conclusion
Having destroyed the lives of working people overseas and overthrown progressive leaders like Libyan President Gadhafi and Honduran
President Zelaya, millions were forced to become immigrants.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Colombia, Mexico witnessed the flight of millions of immigrants -- all victims of US and EU wars. Washington
and Brussels blamed the victims and accused the immigrants of illegality and criminal conduct.
The West debates expulsion, arrest and jail instead of reparations for crimes against humanity and violations of international
law.
To restrain immigration the first step is to end imperial wars, withdraw troops,and to cease financing paramilitary and client
terrorists.
ORDER IT NOW
Secondly, the West should establish a long term multi-billion-dollar fund for reconstruction and recovery of the economies, markets
and infrastructure they bombed The demise of the peace movement allowed the US and EU to launch and prolong serial wars which led
to massive immigration – the so-called refugee crises and the flight to Europe. There is a direct connection between the conversion
of the liberal and social democrats to war -parties and the forced flight of immigrants to the EU.
The decline of the trade unions and worse, their loss of militancy has led to the loss of solidarity with people living in the
midst of imperial wars. Many workers in the imperialist countries have directed their ire to those 'below' – the immigrants – rather
than to the imperialists who directed the wars which created the immigration problem. Immigration, war , the demise of the peace
and workers movements, and left parties has led to the rise of the militarists, and neo-liberals who have taken power throughout
the West. Their anti-immigrant politics, however, has provoked new contradictions within regimes,between business elites and among
popular movements in the EU and the US. The elite and popular struggles can go in at least two directions – toward fascism or radical
social democracy.
- more trade with Russia, and the railway connections with China, threaten to turn the USA
into an economic backwater
This is only a surmise I guess but Globalists are plum tired of American middle
class population, and their main purpose in the world is over, and the horses of manufacturing
and technology ''have got out of the barn'' and successfully transplanted to... greener
pastures so that, it's time to make fallow and put the stops to the further
exploitation of North American resources that are too much used up by the damned American
population on their gaddamed consumer needs, and time to put that back in store for a future
where there won't be so many hungry overfed mouths to worry about, so that is the possible
purpose to isolate and crush America at this time.
An induced torpor of complacency will make it seem impossible until the last moment, then
it's too late. (''Have you noticed the exsorbitance high cost of... Latties lately?.puffpuff...
// Hey! they ain't nuthin' on da shelves in da supermarket!!'')
Mean while there's time for the development of Russia and China to have their time in the
sun , for a while, then they get the axe later, and so it goes.
Well, I didn't want to say it but, part of the plan will be a pretty big reduction in pops
which isn't all bad... depends on how the cookie crumbles, (who's ox gets gored.) (Good for
biosphere mainly.)
But if your "In the Club'' and a member in standing which is a only a few you get a ticket
to ride.
The creeps are running America down every way, bread and circuses for a while then Austerity
for real.
Globalists are plum tired of American middle class population, and their main purpose in
the world is over
Bull's eye. That is an under-appreciated dynamic driving everything from economic policies
to the hatred of Trump and populists in general. The narcissistic Western elites cannot stand
their own people. One sees it in the culture, academia, economic policies, and the insane
attempt to dilute native population and replace them with new migrants. (It is amusing that
sophisticated Westerners often boringly allude to the evil 'commies' who 'wanted to elect new
people', and of course never did, but they are unwilling to see it happening at home.)
The purpose for creating the Western middle class after WWII was to prevent a revolution.
That is no longer a threat, so why coddle the deplorables?
- more trade with Russia, and the railway connections with China, threaten to turn the
USA into an economic backwater
This is only a surmise I guess but Globalists are plum tired of American middle class
population, and their main purpose in the world is over, and the horses of manufacturing and
technology "have got out of the barn" and successfully transplanted to greener
pastures so that, it's time to make fallow and put the stops to the further
exploitation of North American resources that are too much used up by the damned American
population on their gaddamed consumer needs, and time to put that back in store for a future
where there won't be so many hungry overfed mouths to worry about, so that is the possible
purpose to isolate and crush America at this time.
An induced torpor of complacency will make it seem impossible until the last moment, then
it's too late. ("Have you noticed the exsorbitance high cost of Latties lately?.puffpuff //
Hey! they ain't nuthin' on da shelves in da supermarket!!")
Mean while there's time for the development of Russia and China to have their time in
the sun , for a while, then they get the axe later, and so it goes.
Well, I didn't want to say it but, part of the plan will be a pretty big reduction in pops
which isn't all bad depends on how the cookie crumbles, (who's ox gets gored.) (Good for
biosphere mainly.)
But if your "In the Club" and a member in standing which is a only a few you get a ticket
to ride.
The creeps are running America down every way, bread and circuses for a while then
Austerity for real.
"... Today we see anti-racism being elevated into a quasi-religion that may be used to justify totalitarian policies. One benefit of this initiative is that it allows the elite to preserve the gap in material wealth between themselves and the victim class. Ending racism is less expensive than ending inequality! ..."
Numerous sources give very high figures for Jews and these have tended to be memory-holed
and maligned as you know what.
Consequently sources which report a low number of jews (do you know of any?) from the period
are at least as suspect, and ones from a later period and embraced by Jewish scholars more
so.
And one must remember that apart from the many name changes by Jews in the Old Bolshevik era
(lots of name changes amongst Israel's 'founders' too) they made substantial effort to hide
their jewishness, as have later sources.
One might consider the attempted Bokshevik coup in Germany a year after the Russian one.
Even wikipedia has to report that this 'Spartacus uprising' was led almost wholly by Jews.
What would they have done had they won? Might the conflation of anti-nationalist communist
violence and Jewish Supremacy have been what led in part to Hitler and his racial nationalists?
There was also a coup in Hungary led by Bela Kun. I agree with you that the threat of Communism
played a role in the rise of militant nationalism and its anti-Semitic aspect. The role of Jews
in the leadership of every Communist uprising is crisply documented by Winston Churchill in his
1920 article http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html
Paul Johnson in Modern Times claims that Jews did not make up a large percentage of party
members but that is less impressive than their domination of the top ranks. Germany in the 20s
and 30s had an abundance of motives to support a strong nationalist leader since the terms of
the Versailles Treaty were unjust and unendurable, and the solution seemed to involve at least
the willingness to use force to remove the burden. The democratic parties were insufficiently
decisive and would likely have succumbed to Communist agitation or at best preserved a very
unpleasant status quo. The weakness of Communism is that it reduces everything to economics and
the material dimension. It demands the right to dictate without addressing the spiritual
dimension of life. Hitler, by contrast, appealed to national pride and national unity, in
addition to the national need to escape from poverty.
Today we see anti-racism being elevated into a quasi-religion that may be used to
justify totalitarian policies. One benefit of this initiative is that it allows the elite to
preserve the gap in material wealth between themselves and the victim class. Ending racism is
less expensive than ending inequality!
responding to PG's comments and the comments of Rational
Zionist, among them, being many NY Intellectuals, invented mugged reality (Neoconism) , but
party slithering is a another name for divide and conquer.
Fudmier's example as to how to control the vote:
You present an idea to 6 people (there are seven votes including yours, you are the one);
virtually everyone is indifferent or against your idea. Before the vote, how can you make the
outcome favorable to your side? Divide the opinions on a related subject so that the people
must vote for your idea if they take a side on the related subject. I am always either a
Democrat or a Republican, cannot vote for anything the other party presents, no matter how
good it is. So make the idea Republican or Democratic.
them me Total vote for against my idea
no division 1 2 3 4 5 6 ME 7 Me 6 I lose
divide by party D R D R D R ME 7 Me+3 3 I win
As the simple analysis suggests: it is easy to win a vote when the idea is Glued to the
two AAs (glue, attached, or associated). The unpopular idea Glued and attached or associated
with the political party issue splits the vote (such activity divides and weakens the
political power inherent in the voting power of the masses). For example, if we make the vote
to turn off all of the drinking water. the only vote will be mine, but if we say turn off the
drinking water to all but those who are green, we divide the vote. and control the
outcome.
This brings us to the democratic dilemma: should the non green people be included in vote
on that issue? In fact, it is exactly this problem that those who wrote the constitution
intended to establish.
The aggressive foreign policies and national security positions mentioned by PG have been
attached to the standard Jewish line; in other words the duty of a Jew to recognize
him/herself as a Jew and to vote as a member of the clan has been glued to the AAs. It is
nearly impossible to vote for Jewish interest and not vote to demolish Palestinian homes.
I am hoping this list can develop ways to analyse current events into a set of fair play
rules, reading, learning and analyzing books, journals and events and writing about them is
not enough; some kind of action is needed to bring into reality the findings of these
readings, learning and analysis produce. The best way to offset misleading, false or invented
propaganda is to force it to into a rule based debunking process. Simple rules that everyone
can learn, understand and adopt.
Capitalist Russia and its resources represent a major competitor to the resources and
schemes of the capitalist neocon led west. Hating Russia is like being a democrat or a
republican,it keeps the pharaoh options open.
I once found a real great Web page with a great graph, kind of a family tree of the
various western Trot. groups at the time.
It was bizarre, but did not include the neocons, I suppose that was reasonable because it
was only of claimed affilliates to the nonsenical 'Fourth Internatiaoal'.
Also not comprehensive, did not include the minor parties and groupuscules in Japan and
Europe of the boomer gen. , nor the earlier Viet Trots. nor Sri Lanka, the only place they
ever obtained political power except as agents in the shadows.
Of course, they have enormous power in the shadows in the state media in many places, EU,
cabinets in many European nations, etc.
Even without that, the chart and attached notes are bizarre enough.
The 'ite' 'ist' distinction among Trots is not just as you describe, they use it among
themselves, too, at least in English, as one was explaining to me. Understood the words, not
understanding the content at all.
Avoid Trots, their parties (as in social events) are miserable, and their households are
like those of the worst cult religionists.
I make one exception, the HQ of the Kakumaru (Core Circle) is a few hundrd metres from my
house, they are all old people now, they used to have their newspaper for sale until
recently. no more. I would buy it at times.
Have some sympathy, but my opinion is that most such groups were used at the time by the
national police and by the CIA to oppose people with more serious ideas, and the support for
such groups at the time by CIA etc. in the U.S.A and in Europe is making serious cultural and
sometimes violent (I see photos of Antlfa morons, etc., direct descendants) blowback.
I thought that perhaps I had tuned into John Oliver or to Saturday Night Live in error, but
no doubt about it, there was an unmistakable President Donald Trump speaking before an audience
at the National Space Council. He was saying that on his own presidential authority "I'm hereby
directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to
establish a space force as the sixth branch of the armed forces. We are going to have the Air
Force, and we are going to have the Space Force, separate but equal."
Before signing Space Policy Directive 3 mandating the change and abruptly departing, Trump
went on to explain that "My administration is reclaiming America's heritage as the world's
greatest space-faring nation. The essence of the American character is to explore new horizons
and to tame new frontiers. But our destiny, beyond the Earth, is not only a matter of national
identity, but a matter of national security. It is not enough to merely have an American
presence in space. We must have American dominance in space."
The Air Force, which already has a Space Command, will no doubt object to the new
arrangement, preferring instead to roll the expanded responsibilities and money into its
already existing framework. Secretary of Defense James Mattis is also reported to be against
the expansion, explaining in a speech last year that "The creation of an independent Space
Corps, with the corresponding institutional growth and budget implications, does not address
our nation's fiscal problems in a responsive manner."
And Donald Trump will have to get over a couple of bureaucratic hurdles to get his nifty new
interstellar command up and running. First of all, it will require an Act of Congress to create
a new branch of the military. That might not be difficult to do as the expansion is being
packaged as "national security," which Republicans will support reflexively and Democrats will
also get behind not wanting to appear weak before the elections in November. And both parties
will also be willing to line up to benefit from the political contributions coming from defense
contractors as well as the creation of new military support facilities providing jobs in
congressional districts.
And then there is the money, alluded to by Mattis. Start-up funding a new, coequal military
branch would mean a huge increase in the defense budget. As long as the dollar remains the
world's reserve currency and the treasury can print money without any real backing it is
possible to ride the wave, but there are currently significant challenges to the dollars
survival in that role. If its supremacy ends, there goes the economy taking the unrestrained
government spending with it and sinking the Space Command together with much, much more.
Major defense contractors, all of whom were present to hear Trump's speech, were immediately
seen to be drooling over the prospect of a new cash cow. And at the Pentagon champagne corks
were popping at the thought of a couple of hundred new flag officer positions that will have to
be invented and filled as well as the full complement of civilians to staff the bureaucracy.
And think of the uniforms that will have to be distinct from those used by the other branches
of the service, maybe copying those formerly in vogue on the Starship Enterprise or as seen in
the movie Starship Troopers.
The reality is that the United States does indeed have a major national security interest in
protecting its network of satellites in orbit as well as related infrastructure, but there is
still quite a lot in the Trump remarks that is disturbing. Trump is basically saying two
things. The first is that he will be weaponizing outer space and the second is that he is doing
so because he intends for the United States to become dominant in that domain. It is a complete
ass-backwards approach to the problem of potential development of threats coming from beyond
the atmosphere. Instead of arming outer space, Washington should be working with other
countries that have capabilities in that region to demilitarize exploration and both commercial
and government exploitation. Everyone has an interest in not allowing outer space to become the
next site for an arms race, though admittedly working with other countries does not appear to
be something that the Trump Administration enters into lightly. Or at all.
And Trump should also abandon his insistence that the United States develop "dominance" in
space. The use of such language is a red flag that will make any agreement with countries like
Russia and China impossible to achieve. It virtually guarantees that there will be a
competition among a number of nations to develop and deploy killer satellites employing lasers
and other advanced electronic jamming technologies to protect their own outer space
infrastructure.
Trump appears to have internalized a viewpoint that sees the United States as surrounded by
threats but able to emerge victorious by being hyper-aggressive on all fronts. It is a posture
that might unnerve opponents and bring some success in the short term but which ultimately will
create a genuine threat as the rest of the world lines up against Washington. That day might be
coming if one goes by the reaction to recent U.S. votes in the United Nations and Trump's
behavior at G-7 are anything to go by.
No one in his right mind would allow Trump to dominate outer space based on Washington's
track record of irresponsible leadership since 9/11. It has wrecked the Middle East, South Asia
and North Africa, killing possibly as many as 4 million Muslims in so doing. It has bullied
allies into joining its projects in places like Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria while also
disparaging foreign governments and entering into trade wars. It has bankrupted itself in all
but name, systematically dismantled the rights of its own citizens, and has become a rogue
nation by virtually every measure.
And when you have firmly established the principle that might makes right and all the
universe is at the disposal of Washington, what comes next? Antarctica and the arctic region
are by some accounts rich in natural resources. Will we Americans be seeing an Antarctic
Command with a mandate to dominate the polar regions to enhance national security? Stay
tuned.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is
[email protected].
"... The adage from the past that everyone could relate to -- "A nuclear war cannot be unleashed, because there will be no winners" -- is now absent from the political statements that are being heard. It is clear that forces have taken the upper hand on Capitol Hill that are still incapable of imagining the consequences of a nuclear Armageddon. Such a path, even if this scenario proves unlikely, will inevitably lead to a potential undermining of the already fragile non-proliferation regime and a breakdown in the negotiations on establishing control over nuclear facilities, which -- and this is not news -- very few countries are taking part in at the present time. ..."
"... For all these reasons, a dangerous future practice like this needs to be reexamined by Washington, in the interests of preserving global stability. In order to achieve this goal, the strategic guidelines for inflicting a first "preemptive and preventive" nuclear strike, as well as the continuing premise of "unconditional offensive nuclear deterrence," which have remained unchanged since 1945, must be completely eliminated from American nuclear strategies. ..."
It seems odd that the US still does not understand the basic tenets
of Russia's nuclear posture. And it must be said that this is not the first time that Western
analysts have taken such an unprofessional approach. This has become especially glaring in the
run-up to the next NATO summit, which will take place July 11-12 in Brussels.
On the other hand, the
newest US nuclear doctrine , which was approved last February, specifies 14 justifications
for the use of nuclear weapons, including "low-yield" warheads, which is how US arms experts
classify nuclear warheads of 5.0-6.5 kilotons and below. These are precisely the sea- and
air-launched warheads the Pentagon intends to utilize in accordance with its new concept of
"escalating to de-escalate." Under that theory, low-yield nuclear warheads can be employed by
US nuclear forces on an increasing scale in a variety of regional conflicts, with the aim of
"de-escalating" them, which might be accomplished with the help of a nuclear first strike.
This practice could cause a chain reaction in the use of nuclear weapons, involving not only
"low-yield" warheads, but also more powerful nuclear explosives.
The practice being described -- the potential use of low-yield nuclear weapons, which is a
real fixation for the current US administration and is being discussed with increasing
frequency in the US -- suggests that America's military and political leaders are committed to
dramatically lowering the minimum threshold for their use and expanding the list of acceptable
reasons to utilize them under real-world conditions.
The adage from the past that everyone could relate to -- "A nuclear war cannot be unleashed,
because there will be no winners" -- is now absent from the political statements that are being
heard. It is clear that forces have taken the upper hand on Capitol Hill that are still
incapable of imagining the consequences of a nuclear Armageddon. Such a path, even if this
scenario proves unlikely, will inevitably lead to a potential undermining of the already
fragile non-proliferation regime and a breakdown in the negotiations on establishing control
over nuclear facilities, which -- and this is not news -- very few countries are taking part in
at the present time.
For all these reasons, a dangerous future practice like this needs to be reexamined by
Washington, in the interests of preserving global stability. In order to achieve this goal, the
strategic guidelines for inflicting a first "preemptive and preventive" nuclear strike, as well
as the continuing premise of "unconditional offensive nuclear deterrence," which have remained
unchanged since 1945, must be completely eliminated from American nuclear strategies.
These are not ultimatums, as someone defending US nuclear policy has already tried to
portray them. This is a completely natural, logical, and sensible step, which would no doubt be
positively received all over the world.
That is what it's all about. MIC Oligarchs getting rich. Vietnam was a business not a war.
The MIC insiders made a fortune off that fake war.
For all these reasons, a dangerous future practice like this needs to be reexamined by
Washington, in the interests of preserving global instability. That instability keeps murican
arms dealers in business.
Empire doesn't like sovereign countries. Brits still have that empire mentality, the upper
crust's shit don't stink.
It's neocon hubris. They are desperate to nuke someone. Of course the counter strategy is
very simple; escalate to the brink and leave Washington with 2 choices: BTFO or die. These
people are stupid and will eventually get us all killed for nothing.
If the claims in the 1990s tell-all bestsellers of Mossad defector Victor Ostrovsky can
be credited, Israel even considered the assassination of President George H.W. Bush in 1992
for his threats to cut off financial aid to Israel during a conflict over West Bank
settlement policies, and I have been informed that the Bush Administration took those
reports seriously at the time.
I did not know of Ostrovsky's claim but I was very aware of George H.W. Bush conflict with
Yitzhak Shamir which most likely costed him the second term. The conflict obviously was very
deemphasized by the MSM. Iirc Patrick Buchanan wrote about it. Bush decided to say NO to
Israel and put conditions on providing further funding for immigrants form Russia to Israel.
He did it having exceptionally high (90%) approval ratings in the wake of the Desert Storm.
So timing was good. But after Congress going against him and AIPAC busing supporters of
Israel to DC Bush caved in sometime in Sept. 1991. Buchanan believed that if Bush brought the
issue to 'American people' he could have won this conflict but Bush decided to keep Americans
in the dark which is a norm when it come to Israel issues. Bush only complained about being
all alone in the White House during some press conference but most American did not get the
idea what he was compliant about. The Lobby however did not forgive Bush and did not trust
him getting the second term in the office. It must have been decided he had to go. An anti
Bush campaign was continued by Safire and Friedman in weekly columns in the NYT and negative
mostly exaggerated and bogus articles about weak economy were published. The 'It's the
economy, stupid' was bogus made up meme. Clinton was parachuted from Arkansas and Ross Perot
was encouraged to run and then dis-encouraged when he suspended his campaign and then again
encouraged to re-enter the race. He played exactly the same role as Teddy Roosevelt in 1912
election that stopped the incumbent Taft from getting the 2nd term. This gave presidency to
Wilson who brought Federal Reserve and federal tax the the following year and the entrance
into the WWI few years later. Was assassination considered as the plan B in case Bush was
reelected? Do people from The Lobby talk about killing American presidents among themselves?
Yes, they do – even publicly:
ATLANTA JEWISH NEWSPAPER CALLS FOR OBAMA ASSASSINATION. (Jan 22, 2012)
Could Obama be trusted with the 2nd term? Netnayahu's Israel was as not very happy with
him and Obama in the very beginning was talking very tough about Israel (University of
Cairo). W/o his 2nd term there would be no treaty with Iran and there would be a veto of
anti-Israel UN resolution.
It seems like George H.W. Bush must have resigned himself to not being reelected. What
message was he sending by checking the watch during a debate? Was the message: Do not
worry I am just going through the motions. Do not need to kill me.
The question is how come the neocons decided to trust GW Bush? Richard Perle went to
Austin TX and announced that Bush ignorance of the world affairs was an advantage: an empty
vessel that they can fill. Did he also mean that it will be easy to control him like sending
him against Iraq to avenge his father?
GW Bush got coached and tutored by Prince Bandar in 1997:
He lands in Austin, and is surprised when Governor Bush boards the plane before Bandar
can disembark. Bush comes straight to the point: he is considering a run for the
presidency, and though he already knows what his domestic agenda will be, says, "I don't
have the foggiest idea about what I think about international, foreign policy."
Finally, Bush says, "There are people who are your enemies in this country who also
think my dad is your enemy." Bandar knows Bush is speaking of US supporters of Israel, and
wants to know how he should handle the Israeli-Jewish lobby as well as the neoconservatives
who loathe both the Saudis and the elder Bush. Bandar replies: "Can I give you one advice?
If you tell me that [you want to be president], I want to tell you one thing. To hell with
Saudi Arabia or who likes Saudi Arabia or who doesn't, who likes Bandar or who doesn't.
Anyone who you think hates your dad or your friend who can be important to make a
difference in winning, swallow your pride and make friends of them. And I can help you. I
can help you out and complain about you, make sure they understand that, and that will make
sure they help you." Bandar's message is clear: if Bush needs the neoconservatives to help
him win the presidency, then he should do what it takes to get them on his side. "Never
mind if you really want to be honest," Bandar continues. "This is not a confession booth.
In the big boys' game, it's cutthroat, it's bloody and it's not pleasant."
Yes it is strange that the elder George Bush, who had exorcised the 'ghost of Vietnam',
through his rout of Saddam's forces in Kuwait and earned a 90% approval rating, went on to
lose to Clinton supposedly on account of the economy. The idiot Ross Perot, a capitalist
weaned on the government teat had of course a role. But I thought that the elder Bush was a
shoo-in. Then came Clinton, selling off the Americans' industrial birthright for a song to
the Chinese and the kabuki theatre of the Israeli-Palestinian 'peace process'. In James
Baker, one had the least sympathetic of Secretary of States to Israel in a long time
I recall the image making by the press when GB became inconvenient, although a veteran
pilot in WW2, he was painted as a proverbial wimp.
I recall the image making by the press when GB became inconvenient, although a veteran
pilot in WW2, he was painted as a proverbial wimp.
Why the neocons called him a wimp?
In 1990 George H.W. Bush was very reluctant to go against Saddam Hussain. He seemed to
really believe in the so called "peace dividends", base closings and scaling military down.
And then Saddam Hussain with possible approval April Glaspie fucked it all up for him and us.
It was Margaret Thatcher that twisted his arms to go against Saddam Hussein. Then when in the
Dessert Storm he did not let escalate the plan and stopped the troops form going all the way
into Iraq. The neocons did not like him.
Why we can call him a wimp?
In 1991 he decided to confront Israel but then backed off instead of escalating and
letting the American people know that he needed their support against The Lobby and the sold
out Congress.
An excellent even headed analysis of events and major hypothesis about the assassination.
Remarkable conclusion: " So although committed partisans can continue endless, largely
fruitless debates over "Who Killed JFK," I think that the one firm conclusion we can draw from
the remarkable history of this pivotal event of the twentieth century is that all of us have
lived for many decades within the synthetic reality of 'Our American Pravda.' "
Notable quotes:
"... As Lane recounted in his 1991 bestseller, Plausible Denial , his strategy generally proved quite successful, not only allowing him to win the jury verdict against Hunt, but also eliciting sworn testimony from a former CIA operative of her personal involvement in the conspiracy along with the names of several other participants, though she claimed that her role had been strictly peripheral. ..."
"... Hunt's explosive death-bed confession was recounted in a major 2007 Rolling Stone article and also heavily analyzed in Talbot's books, especially his second one, but otherwise largely ignored by the media. ..."
"... Many of these same apparent conspirators, drawn from the same loose alliance of groups, had previously been involved in the various U.S. government-backed attempts to assassinate Castro or overthrow his Communist government, and they had developed a bitter hostility towards President Kennedy for what they considered his betrayal during the Bay of Pigs fiasco and afterward. ..."
"... While this framework for the assassination is certainly possible, it is far from certain. One may easily imagine that most of the lower-level participants in the Dallas events were driven by such considerations but that the central figures who organized the plot and set matters into motion had different motives. ..."
"... A new presidential election was less than a year away, and Kennedy's shifting stance on Civil Rights seemed likely to cost him nearly all the Southern states that had provided his margin of electoral victory in 1960. A series of public declarations or embarrassing leaks might have helped remove him from office by traditional political means, possibly replacing him with a Cold War hard-liner such as Barry Goldwater or some other Republican. Would the militarists or business tycoons often implicated by liberal JFK researchers have really been so desperate as to not wait those extra few months and see what happened? ..."
"... While his involvement is certainly possible, obvious questions arise. Dulles was a seventy-year-old retiree, with a very long and distinguished career of public service and a brother who had served as Eisenhower's secretary of state. He had just published The Craft of Intelligence , which was receiving very favorable treatment in the establishment media, and he was embarked on a major book tour. Would he really have risked everything -- including his family's reputation in the history books -- to organize the murder of America's duly-elected president ..."
"... On the other hand, it is very easy to imagine that such individuals had some awareness of the emerging plot or may even have facilitated it or participated to a limited extent. And once it succeeded, and their personal enemy had been replaced, they surely would have been extremely willing to assist in the cover-up and protect the reputation of the new regime, a role that Dulles may have played as the most influential member of the Warren Commission. But such activities are different than acting as the central organizer of a presidential assassination. ..."
"... Furthermore, the strong evidence that many CIA operatives were involved in the conspiracy very much suggests that they were recruited and organized by some figure high in their own hierarchy of the intelligence or political worlds rather than the less likely possibility that they were brought in solely by leaders of the parallel domain of organized crime. And while crime bosses might possibly have organized the assassination itself, they surely had no means of orchestrated the subsequent cover-up by the Warren Commission, nor would there have been any willingness by America's political leadership to protect mafia leaders from investigation and proper punishment for such a heinous act. ..."
"... As a total newcomer to the enormous, hidden world of JFK conspiracy analysis, I was immediately surprised by the mere sliver of suspicion directed towards Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, the slain leader's immediate successor and the most obvious beneficiary. ..."
"... Although liberals had grown to revile LBJ by the late 1960s for his escalation of the unpopular Vietnam War, over the decades those sentiments have faded, while warm memories of his passage of the landmark Civil Rights legislation and his creation of the Great Society programs have elevated his stature in that ideological camp. Furthermore, such legislation had long been blockaded in Congress and only became law because of the 1964 Democratic Congressional landslide following JFK's martyrdom, and it might be difficult for liberals to admit that their fondest dreams were only realized by an act of political parricide. ..."
"... An additional factor helping to explain the extreme unwillingness of Talbot, Douglass, and others to consider Johnson as an obvious suspect may be the realities of the book publishing industry. ..."
"... if he had devoted any space to voicing suspicions that our 35th president had been murdered by our 36th, surely the weight of that extra element of "outrageous conspiracy theory" would have ensured that his book sank without a trace. ..."
"... If the plot succeeded and Johnson became president, the conspirators must surely have felt reasonably confident that they would be protected rather than tracked down and punished as traitors by the new president. Even a fully successful assassination would entail enormous risks unless the organizers believed that Johnson would do exactly what he did, and the only means of ensuring this would be to sound him out about the plan, at least in some vague manner, and obtain his passive acquiesce. ..."
"... Based on these considerations, it seems extremely difficult to believe that any JFK assassination conspiracy took place entirely without Johnson's foreknowledge, or that he was not a central figure in the subsequent cover-up. ..."
"... A very useful corrective to the "See No Evil" approach to Johnson from liberal JFK writers is Roger Stone's The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ , published in 2013. Stone, a longtime Republican political operative who got his start under Richard Nixon, presents a powerful case that Johnson was the sort of individual who might easily have lent his hand to political murder, and also that he had strong reasons to do so. ..."
"... Certainly one remarkable aspect of Johnson's career is that he was born dirt-poor, held low-paying government jobs throughout his entire life, yet took the oath of office as the wealthiest president in modern American history , having accumulated a personal fortune of over $100 million in present-day dollars, with the financial payoffs from his corporate benefactors having been laundered through his wife's business. This odd anomaly is so little remembered these days that a prominent political journalist expressed total disbelief when I mentioned it to him a decade ago. ..."
"... The pressure and financial aid threats secretly applied to Israel by the Kennedy Administration eventually became so severe that they led to the resignation of Israel's founding Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion in June 1963. But all these efforts were almost entirely halted or reversed once Kennedy was replaced by Johnson in November of that same year. ..."
"... So although committed partisans can continue endless, largely fruitless debates over "Who Killed JFK," I think that the one firm conclusion we can draw from the remarkable history of this pivotal event of the twentieth century is that all of us have lived for many decades within the synthetic reality of "Our American Pravda." ..."
A strong dam may hold back an immense quantity of water, but once it breaks the resulting
flood may sweep aside everything in its path. I had spent nearly my entire life never doubting
that a lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald killed President John F. Kennedy nor that a
different lone gunman took the life of his younger brother Robert a few years later. Once
I came to
accept that these were merely fairy tales widely disbelieved by many of the same political
elites who publicly maintained them, I began considering other aspects of this important
history, the most obvious being who was behind the conspiracy and what were their motives.
On these questions, the passage of a half-century and the deaths, natural or otherwise, of
nearly all the contemporary witnesses drastically reduces any hope of coming to a firm
conclusion. At best, we can evaluate possibilities and plausibilities rather than high
likelihoods let alone near certainties. And given the total absence of any hard evidence, our
exploration of the origins of the assassination must necessarily rely upon cautious
speculation.
From such a considerable distance in time, a bird's-eye view may be a reasonable starting
point, allowing us to focus on the few elements of the apparent conspiracy that seem reasonably
well established. The most basic of these is the background of the individuals who appear to
have been associated with the assassination, and the recent books by David Talbot and James W.
Douglass effectively summarize much of the evidence accumulated over the decades by an army of
diligent assassination researchers. Most of the apparent conspirators seem to have had strong
ties to organized crime, the CIA, or various anti-Castro activist groups, with considerable
overlap across these categories. Oswald himself certainly fit this same profile although he was
very likely the mere "patsy" that he claimed to be, as did Jack Ruby, the man who quickly
silenced him and whose ties to the criminal underworld were long and extensive.
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An unusual chain of events provided some of the strongest evidence of CIA involvement.
Victor Marchetti, a career CIA officer, had risen to become Special Assistant to the Deputy
Director, a position of some importance, before resigning in 1969 over policy differences.
Although he fought a long battle with government censors over his book, The CIA and the Cult
of Intelligence , he retained close ties with many former agency colleagues.
During the 1970s, the revelations of the Senate Church Committee and the House Select
Committee on Assassinations had subjected the CIA to a great deal of negative public scrutiny,
and there were growing suspicions of possible CIA links to JFK's assassination. In 1978
longtime CIA Counter-intelligence chief James Angleton and a colleague provided Marchetti with
an explosive leak, stating that the agency might be planning to admit a connection to the
assassination, which had involved three shooters, but place the blame upon E. Howard Hunt, a
former CIA officer who had become notorious during Watergate, and scapegoat him as a rogue
agent, along with a few other equally tarnished colleagues. Marchetti published the resulting
story in The Spotlight , a weekly national tabloid newspaper operated by Liberty Lobby,
a rightwing populist organization based in DC. Although almost totally shunned by the
mainstream media, The Spotlight was then at the peak of its influence, having almost
400,000 subscribers, as large a readership as the combined total of The New Republic ,
The Nation , and National Review .
Marchetti's article suggested that Hunt had actually been in Dallas during the
assassination, resulting in a libel lawsuit with potential damages large enough to bankrupt the
publication. Longtime JFK assassination researcher Mark Lane became aware of the situation and
volunteered his services to Liberty Lobby, hoping to use the legal proceedings, including the
discovery process and subpoena power, as a means of securing additional evidence on the
assassination, and after various court rulings and appeals, the case finally came to trial in
1985.
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As Lane recounted in his 1991 bestseller, Plausible Denial , his strategy
generally proved quite successful, not only allowing him to win the jury verdict against Hunt,
but also eliciting sworn testimony from a former CIA operative of her personal involvement in
the conspiracy along with the names of several other participants, though she claimed that her
role had been strictly peripheral. And although Hunt continued for decades to totally deny
any connection with the assassination, near the end of his life he made a series of video-taped
interviews in which he admitted that he had indeed been involved in the JFK assassination and
named several of the other conspirators, while also maintaining that his own role had been
merely peripheral. Hunt's explosive death-bed confession was recounted in a major 2007
Rolling Stonearticle
and also heavily analyzed in Talbot's books, especially his second one, but otherwise largely
ignored by the media.
Many of these same apparent conspirators, drawn from the same loose alliance of groups,
had previously been involved in the various U.S. government-backed attempts to assassinate
Castro or overthrow his Communist government, and they had developed a bitter hostility towards
President Kennedy for what they considered his betrayal during the Bay of Pigs fiasco and
afterward. Therefore, there is a natural tendency to regard such animosity as the central
factor behind the assassination, a perspective generally followed by Talbot, Douglass, and
numerous other writers. They conclude that Kennedy died at the hands of harder-line
anti-Communists, outraged over his perceived weakness regarding Cuba, Russia, and Vietnam,
sentiments that were certainly widespread within right-wing political circles at the height of
the Cold War.
While this framework for the assassination is certainly possible, it is far from
certain. One may easily imagine that most of the lower-level participants in the Dallas events
were driven by such considerations but that the central figures who organized the plot and set
matters into motion had different motives. So long as all the conspirators were agreed on
Kennedy's elimination, there was no need for an absolute uniformity of motive. Indeed, men who
had long been involved in organized crime or clandestine intelligence operations were surely
experienced in operational secrecy, and many of them may not have expected to know the
identities, let alone the precise motives, of the men at the very top of the remarkable
operation they were undertaking.
We must also sharply distinguish between the involvement of particular individuals and the
involvement of an organization as an organization. For example, CIA Director John McCone was a
Kennedy loyalist who had been appointed to clean house a couple of years before the
assassination, and he surely was innocent of his patron's death. On the other hand, the very
considerable evidence that numerous individual CIA intelligence officers and operatives
participated in the action has naturally raised suspicions that some among their
highest-ranking superiors were involved as well, perhaps even as the principal organizers of
the conspiracy.
These reasonable speculations may have been magnified by elements of personal bias. Many of
the prominent authors who have investigated the JFK assassination in recent years have been
staunch liberals, and may have allowed their ideology to cloud their judgment. They often seek
to locate the organizers of Kennedy's elimination among those rightwing figures whom they most
dislike, even when the case is far from entirely plausible.
But consider the supposed motives of hard-line anti-Communists near the top of the national
security hierarchy who supposedly may have organized Kennedy's elimination because he backed
away from a full military solution in the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis incidents. Were
they really so absolutely sure that a President Johnson would be such an enormous improvement
as to risk their lives and public standing to organize a full conspiracy to assassinate an
American president?
A new presidential election was less than a year away, and Kennedy's shifting stance on
Civil Rights seemed likely to cost him nearly all the Southern states that had provided his
margin of electoral victory in 1960. A series of public declarations or embarrassing leaks
might have helped remove him from office by traditional political means, possibly replacing him
with a Cold War hard-liner such as Barry Goldwater or some other Republican. Would the
militarists or business tycoons often implicated by liberal JFK researchers have really been so
desperate as to not wait those extra few months and see what happened?
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Based on extremely circumstantial evidence, Talbot's 2015 book The Devil's Chessboard
, something of a sequel to Brothers , suggests that former longtime CIA Director Allan
Dulles may have been the likely mastermind, with his motive being a mixture of his extreme Cold
Warrior views and his personal anger at his 1961 dismissal from his position.
While his involvement is certainly possible, obvious questions arise. Dulles was a
seventy-year-old retiree, with a very long and distinguished career of public service and a
brother who had served as Eisenhower's secretary of state. He had just published The Craft
of Intelligence , which was receiving very favorable treatment in the establishment media,
and he was embarked on a major book tour. Would he really have risked everything -- including
his family's reputation in the history books -- to organize the murder of America's
duly-elected president , an unprecedented act utterly different in nature than trying to
unseat a Guatemalan leader on behalf of supposed American national interests? Surely, using his
extensive media and intelligence contacts to leak embarrassing disclosures about JFK's
notorious sexual escapades during the forthcoming presidential campaign would have been be a
much safer means of attempting to achieve an equivalent result. And the same is true for J.
Edgar Hoover and many of the other powerful Washington figures who hated Kennedy for similar
reasons.
On the other hand, it is very easy to imagine that such individuals had some awareness
of the emerging plot or may even have facilitated it or participated to a limited extent. And
once it succeeded, and their personal enemy had been replaced, they surely would have been
extremely willing to assist in the cover-up and protect the reputation of the new regime, a
role that Dulles may have played as the most influential member of the Warren Commission. But
such activities are different than acting as the central organizer of a presidential
assassination.
Just as with the hard-line national security establishment, many organized crime leaders had
grown outraged over the actions of the Kennedy Administration. During the late 1950s, Robert
Kennedy had intensely targeted the mob for prosecution as chief counsel to the Senate Labor
Rackets Committee. But during the 1960 election, family patriarch Joseph Kennedy used his own
longstanding mafia connections to enlist their support for his older son's presidential
campaign, and by all accounts the votes stolen by the corrupt mob-dominated political machines
in Chicago and elsewhere helped put JFK in the White House, along with Robert Kennedy as his
Attorney General. Frank Sinatra, an enthusiastic Kennedy supporter, had also helped facilitate
this arrangement by using his influence with skeptical mob leaders.
However, instead of repaying such crucial election support with political favors, Attorney
General Robert Kennedy, perhaps ignorant of any bargain, soon unleashed an all-out war against
organized crime, far more serious than anything previously mounted at the federal level, and
the crime bosses regarded this as a back-stabbing betrayal by the new administration. Once
Joseph Kennedy was felled by an incapacitating stroke in late 1961, they also lost any hope
that he would use his influence to enforce the deals he had struck the previous year. FBI
wiretaps reveal that mafia leader Sam Giancana decided to have Sinatra killed for his role in
this failed bargain, only sparing the singer's life when he considered how much he personally
loved the voice of one of the most famous Italian-Americans of the 20th century.
These organized crime leaders and some of their close associates such as Teamster boss Jimmy
Hoffa certainly developed a bitter hatred toward the Kennedys, and this has naturally led some
authors to point to the mafia as the likely organizers of the assassination, but I find this
quite unlikely. For many decades, American crime bosses had had a complex and varied
relationship with political figures, who might sometimes be their allies and at other times
their persecutors, and surely there must have been many betrayals over the years. However, I am
not aware of a single case in which any even moderately prominent political figure on the
national stage was ever targeted for assassination, and it seems quite unlikely that the sole
exception would be a popular president, whom they would have likely regarded as being
completely out of their league. On the other hand, if individuals who ranked high in Kennedy's
own DC political sphere set in motion a plot to eliminate him, they might have found it easy to
enlist the enthusiastic cooperation of various mafia leaders.
Furthermore, the strong evidence that many CIA operatives were involved in the
conspiracy very much suggests that they were recruited and organized by some figure high in
their own hierarchy of the intelligence or political worlds rather than the less likely
possibility that they were brought in solely by leaders of the parallel domain of organized
crime. And while crime bosses might possibly have organized the assassination itself, they
surely had no means of orchestrated the subsequent cover-up by the Warren Commission, nor would
there have been any willingness by America's political leadership to protect mafia leaders from
investigation and proper punishment for such a heinous act.
If a husband or wife is found murdered, with no obvious suspect or motive at hand, the
normal response of the police is to carefully investigate the surviving spouse, and quite often
this suspicion proves correct. Similarly, if you read in your newspapers that in some obscure
Third World country two bitterly hostile leaders, both having unpronounceable names, had been
sharing supreme political power until one was suddenly struck down in a mysterious
assassination by unknown conspirators, your thoughts would certainly move in an obvious
direction. Most Americans in the early 1960s did not perceive their own country's politics in
such a light, but perhaps they were mistaken. As a total newcomer to the enormous, hidden
world of JFK conspiracy analysis, I was immediately surprised by the mere sliver of suspicion
directed towards Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, the slain leader's immediate successor and
the most obvious beneficiary.
The two Talbot books and the one by Douglass, totaling some 1500 pages, devote merely a few
paragraphs to any suspicions of Johnson's involvement. Talbot's first book reports that
immediately after the assassination, the vice president had expressed a frantic concern to his
personal aides that a military coup might be in progress or a world war breaking out, and
suggests that these few casual words demonstrate his obvious innocence, although a more cynical
observer might wonder if those remarks had been uttered for exactly that reason. Talbot's
second book actually quotes an apparent low-level conspirator as claiming that Johnson had
personally signed off on the plot and admits that Hunt believed the same thing, but treats such
unsubstantiated accusations with considerable skepticism, before adding a single sentence
acknowledging that Johnson may indeed have been a passive supporter or even an accomplice.
Douglass and Peter Dale Scott, author of the influential 1993 book Deep Politics and the
Death of JFK , apparently seem never to have even entertained the possibility.
Ideological considerations are probably an important reason for such remarkable reticence.
Although liberals had grown to revile LBJ by the late 1960s for his escalation of the
unpopular Vietnam War, over the decades those sentiments have faded, while warm memories of his
passage of the landmark Civil Rights legislation and his creation of the Great Society programs
have elevated his stature in that ideological camp. Furthermore, such legislation had long been
blockaded in Congress and only became law because of the 1964 Democratic Congressional
landslide following JFK's martyrdom, and it might be difficult for liberals to admit that their
fondest dreams were only realized by an act of political parricide.
Kennedy and Johnson may have been intensively hostile personal rivals, but there seem to
have been few deep ideological differences between the two men, and most of the leading figures
in JFK's government continued to serve under his successor, surely another source of enormous
embarrassment to any ardent liberals who came to suspect that the former had been murdered by a
conspiracy involving the latter. Talbot, Douglass, and many other left-leaning advocates for an
assassination conspiracy prefer to point the finger of blame towards far more congenial
villains such as hard-line, anti-Communist Cold Warriors and right-wing elements, notably
including top CIA officials, such as former director Allan Dulles.
An additional factor helping to explain the extreme unwillingness of Talbot, Douglass,
and others to consider Johnson as an obvious suspect may be the realities of the book
publishing industry. By the 2000s, JFK assassination conspiracies had long become
passé and were treated with disdain in mainstream circles. Talbot's strong reputation,
his 150 original interviews, and the quality of his manuscript broke that barrier, and
attracted The Free Press as his very respectable publisher, while later drawing a
strongly positive review by a leading academic scholar in the New York Times Sunday Book
Review and an hour long television segment broadcast on C-Span Booknotes . But
if he had devoted any space to voicing suspicions that our 35th president had been murdered
by our 36th, surely the weight of that extra element of "outrageous conspiracy theory" would
have ensured that his book sank without a trace.
However, if we cast off these distorting ideological blinders and the practical
considerations of American publishing, the prima facie case for Johnson's involvement
seems quite compelling.
Consider a very simple point. If a president is struck down by an unknown group of
conspirators, his successor would normally have had the strongest possible incentive to track
them down lest he might become their next victim. Yet Johnson did nothing, appointing the
Warren Commission that covered up the entire matter, laying the blame upon an erratic "lone
gunman" conveniently dead. This would seem remarkably odd behavior for an innocent LBJ. This
conclusion does not demand that Johnson was the mastermind, nor even an active participant, but
it raises a very strong suspicion that he at least had had some awareness of the plot, and
enjoyed a good personal relationship with some of the principals.
A similar conclusion is supported by a converse analysis. If the plot succeeded and
Johnson became president, the conspirators must surely have felt reasonably confident that they
would be protected rather than tracked down and punished as traitors by the new president. Even
a fully successful assassination would entail enormous risks unless the organizers believed
that Johnson would do exactly what he did, and the only means of ensuring this would be to
sound him out about the plan, at least in some vague manner, and obtain his passive
acquiesce.
Based on these considerations, it seems extremely difficult to believe that any JFK
assassination conspiracy took place entirely without Johnson's foreknowledge, or that he was
not a central figure in the subsequent cover-up.
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But the specific details of Johnson's career and his political situation in late 1963
greatly strengthen these entirely generic arguments. A very useful corrective to the "See
No Evil" approach to Johnson from liberal JFK writers is Roger Stone's The Man Who Killed
Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ , published in 2013. Stone, a longtime Republican political
operative who got his start under Richard Nixon, presents a powerful case that Johnson was the
sort of individual who might easily have lent his hand to political murder, and also that he
had strong reasons to do so.
Among other things, Stone gathers together an enormous wealth of persuasive information
regarding Johnson's decades of extremely corrupt and criminal practices in Texas, including
fairly plausible claims that these may have included several murders. In one bizarre 1961
incident that strangely foreshadows the Warren Commission's "lone gunman" finding, a federal
government inspector investigating a major Texas corruption scheme involving a close LBJ ally
was found dead, shot five times in the chest and abdomen by a rifle, but the death was
officially ruled a "suicide" by the local authorities, and that conclusion was reported with a
straight face in the pages of the Washington Post .
Certainly one remarkable aspect of Johnson's career is that he was born dirt-poor, held
low-paying government jobs throughout his entire life, yet took the oath of office as the
wealthiest president in modern American history , having accumulated a personal fortune of
over $100 million in present-day dollars, with the financial payoffs from his corporate
benefactors having been laundered through his wife's business. This odd anomaly is so little
remembered these days that a prominent political journalist expressed total disbelief when I
mentioned it to him a decade ago.
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The Dark Side of Camelot strongly suggest that personal blackmail was a greater
factor than geographical ticket-balancing. In any event, Kennedy's paper-thin 1960 victory
would have been far more difficult without Texas narrowly falling into the Democratic column,
and election fraud there by Johnson's powerful political machine seems almost certainly to have
been an important factor.
Under such circumstances, Johnson naturally expected to play a major role in the new
administration, and he even issued grandiose demands for a huge political portfolio, but
instead he found himself immediately sidelined and treated with complete disdain, soon becoming
a forlorn figure with no authority or influence. As time went by, the Kennedys made plans to
get rid of him, and just a few days before the assassination, they were already discussing whom
to place on the reelection ticket in his stead. Much of Johnson's long record of extreme
corruption both in Texas and in DC was coming to light following the fall of Bobby Baker, his
key political henchman, and with strong Kennedy encouragement, Life Magazine was
preparing a huge expose of his sordid and often criminal history, laying the basis for his
prosecution and perhaps a lengthy prison sentence. By mid-November 1963, Johnson seemed a
desperate political figure at the absolute end of his rope, but a week later he was the
president of the United States, and all those swirling scandals were suddenly forgotten. Stone
even claims that the huge block of magazine space reserved for the Johnson expose was instead
filled by the JFK assassination story.
Aside from effectively documenting Johnson's sordid personal history and the looming
destruction he faced at the hands of the Kennedys in late 1963, Stone also adds numerous
fascinating pieces of personal testimony, which may or may not be reliable. According to him,
as his mentor Nixon was watching the scene at the Dallas police station where Jack Ruby shot
Oswald, Nixon immediately turned as white as a ghost, explaining that he had personally known
the gunman under his birth-name of Rubenstein. While working on a House Committee in 1947,
Nixon had been advised by a close ally and prominent mob-lawyer to hire Ruby as an
investigator, being told that "he was one of Lyndon Johnson's boys." Stone also claims that
Nixon once emphasized that although he had long sought the presidency, unlike Johnson "I wasn't
willing to kill for it." He further reports that Vietnam Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge and
numerous other prominent political figures in DC were absolutely convinced of Johnson's direct
involvement in the assassination..
Stone has spent more than a half-century as a ruthless political operative, a position that
provided him with unique personal access to individuals who participated in the great events of
the past, but one that also carries the less than totally candid reputation of that profession,
and individuals must carefully weigh these conflicting factors against each other. Personally,
I tend to credit most of the eyewitness stories he provides. But even readers who remain
entirely skeptical should find useful the large collection of secondary source references to
the sordid details of LBJ's history that the book provides.
Finally, a seemingly unrelated historical incident had originally raised my own suspicions
of Johnson's involvement.
U.S.S. Liberty , our most advanced intelligence-gathering ship, to remain offshore in
international waters and closely monitor the military situation. There have been published
claims that he had granted Israel a green-light for its preemptive attack, but fearful of
risking a nuclear confrontation with the Soviet patrons of Syria and Egypt, had strictly
circumscribed the limits of the military operation, sending the Liberty to keep an eye
on developments and perhaps also to "show Israel who was boss."
Whether or not this reconstruction is correct, the Israelis soon launched an all-out attack
on the nearly defenseless ship despite the large American flag it was flying, deploying attack
jets and torpedo boats to sink the vessel during an assault that lasted several hours, while
machine-gunning the lifeboats to ensure that there would be no survivors. The first stage of
the attack had targeted the main communications antenna, and its destruction together with
heavy Israeli jamming prevented any communications with other U.S. naval forces in the
region..
Liberty and drive off the attackers, each time they were recalled, apparently upon
direct orders from the highest authorities of the U.S. government. Once the Israelis learned
that word of the situation had reached other U.S. forces, they soon discontinued their attack,
and the heavily-damaged Liberty eventually limped into port, with over 200 dead and
wounded sailors and NSA signal operators, representing the greatest loss of American servicemen
in any naval incident since World War II.
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Liberty survivor, risked severe legal consequences and published Assault on the
Liberty in 1979 .
As it happened, NSA intercepts of Israeli communications between the attacking jets and Tel
Aviv, translated from the Hebrew, fully confirmed that the attack had been entirely deliberate,
and since many of the dead and wounded were NSA employees, the suppression of these facts
greatly rankled their colleagues. My old friend Bill Odom, the three-star general who ran the
NSA for Ronald Reagan, later shrewdly circumvented the restrictions of his political masters by
making those incriminating intercepts part of the standard curriculum of the Sigint training
program required for all intelligence officers.
In 2007 an unusual set of circumstances finally broke the thirty year blackout in the
mainstream media. Real estate investor Sam Zell, a Jewish billionaire extremely devoted to
Israel, had orchestrated a leveraged-buyout of the
Tribune CompanyLos Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune , investing merely
a sliver of his own money, with the bulk of the financing coming from the pension funds of the
company he was acquiring. Widely heralded as "the grave dancer" for his shrewd financial
investments, Zell publicly boasted that the deal gave him nearly all of the upside potential of
the company, while he bore relatively little of the risk. Such an approach proved wise since
the complex deal quickly collapsed into bankruptcy, and although Zell emerged almost unscathed,
the editors and journalists lost decades of their accumulated pension dollars, while massive
layoffs soon devastated the newsrooms of what had been two of the country's largest and most
prestigious newspapers. Perhaps coincidentally, just as this business turmoil hit in late 2007,
the Tribune ran a massive 5,500 word
storyyLiberty attack, representing the first and only time such a comprehensive
account of the true facts has ever appeared in the mainstream media.
By all accounts, Johnson was an individual of towering personal ego, and when I read the
article, I was struck by the extent of his astonishing subservience to the Jewish state. The
influence of campaign donations and favorable media coverage seemed completely insufficient to
explain his reaction to an incident that had cost the lives of so many American servicemen. I
began to wonder if Israel might have played an extraordinarily powerful political trump-card,
thereby showing LBJ "who was really boss," and once I discovered the reality of the JFK
assassination conspiracy a year or two later, I suspected I knew what that trump-card might
have been. Over the years, I had become quite friendly with the late Alexander Cockburn, and
the next time we had lunch I outlined my ideas. Although he had always casually dismissed JFK
conspiracy theories as total nonsense, he found my hypothesis quite intriguing.
Liberty incident certainly demonstrated the exceptionally close relationship between
President Johnson and the government of Israel, as well as the willingness of the mainstream
media to spend decades hiding events of the most remarkable nature if they might tread on
particular toes.
These important considerations should be kept in mind as we begin exploring the most
explosive yet under-reported theory of the JFK assassination. Almost twenty-five years ago the
late Michael Collins Piper published Final Judgment presenting a very large body of
circumstantial evidence that Israel and its Mossad secret intelligence service, together with
their American collaborators, probably played a central role in the conspiracy.
For decades following the 1963 assassination, virtually no suspicions had ever been directed
towards Israel, and as a consequence none of the hundreds or thousands of assassination
conspiracy books that appeared during the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s had hinted at any role for
the Mossad, though nearly every other possible culprit, ranging from the Vatican to the
Illuminati, came under scrutiny. Kennedy had received over 80% of the Jewish vote in his 1960
election, American Jews featured very prominently in his White House, and he was greatly
lionized by Jewish media figures, celebrities, and intellectuals ranging from New York City to
Hollywood to the Ivy League. Moreover, individuals with a Jewish background such as Mark Lane
and Edward Epstein had been among the leading early proponents of an assassination conspiracy,
with their controversial theories championed by influential Jewish cultural celebrities such as
Mort Sahl and Norman Mailer. Given that the Kennedy Administration was widely perceived as
pro-Israel, there seemed no possible motive for any Mossad involvement, and bizarre, totally
unsubstantiated accusations of such a monumental nature directed against the Jewish state were
hardly likely to gain much traction in an overwhelmingly pro-Israel publishing industry.
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The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy described the
extreme efforts of the Kennedy Administration to force Israel to allow international
inspections of its allegedly non-military nuclear reactor at Dimona, and thereby prevent its
use in producing nuclear weapons. Dangerous Liaisons: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli
Covert Relationship by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn appeared in the same year, and covered
similar ground.
Although entirely hidden from public awareness at the time, the early 1960s political
conflict between the American and Israeli governments over nuclear weapons development had
represented a top foreign policy priority of the Kennedy Administration, which had made nuclear
non-proliferation one of its central international initiatives. It is notable that John McCone,
Kennedy's choice as CIA Director, had previously served on the Atomic Energy Commission under
Eisenhower, being the individual who leaked the fact that Israel was building a nuclear reactor
to produce plutonium..
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The pressure and financial aid threats secretly applied to Israel by the Kennedy
Administration eventually became so severe that they led to the resignation of Israel's
founding Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion in June 1963. But all these efforts were almost
entirely halted or reversed once Kennedy was replaced by Johnson in November of that same
year.
Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations With a Militant Israel had previously
documented that U.S. Middle East Policy completely reversed itself following Kennedy's
assassination, but this important finding had attracted little attention at the time.
Skeptics of a plausible institutional basis for a JFK assassination conspiracy have often
noted the extreme continuity in both foreign and domestic policies between the Kennedy and
Johnson Administrations, arguing that this casts severe doubt on any such possible motive.
Although this analysis seems largely correct, America's behavior towards Israel and its nuclear
weapons program stands as a very notable exception to this pattern..
An additional major area of concern for Israeli officials may have involved the efforts of
the Kennedy Administration to sharply restrict the activities of pro-Israel political lobbies.
During his 1960 presidential campaign, Kennedy had met in New York City with a group of wealthy
Israel advocates, led by financier Abraham Feinberg, and they had offered enormous financial
support in exchange for a controlling influence in Middle Eastern policy. Kennedy managed to
fob them off with vague assurances, but he considered the incident so troubling that the next
morning he sought out journalist Charles Bartlett, one of his closest friends, and expressed
his outrage that American foreign policy might fall under the control of partisans of a foreign
power, promising that if he became president, he would rectify that situation. And indeed, once
he had installed his brother Robert as Attorney General, the latter initiated a major legal
effort to force pro-Israel groups to register themselves as foreign agents, which would have
drastically reduced their power and influence. But after JFK's death, this project was quickly
abandoned, and as part of the settlement, the leading pro-Israel lobby merely agreed to
reconstitute itself as AIPAC.
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Final Judgment went through a number of a reprintings following its original 1994
appearance, and by the sixth edition released in 2004, had grown to over 650 pages, including
numerous long appendices and over 1100 footnotes, the overwhelming majority of these
referencing fully mainstream sources. The body of the text was merely serviceable in
organization and polish, reflecting the total boycott by all publishers, mainstream or
alternative, but I found the contents themselves remarkable and generally quite compelling.
Despite the most extreme blackout by all media outlets, the book sold more than 40,000 copies
over the years, making it something of an underground bestseller, and surely bringing it to the
attention of everyone in the JFK assassination research community, though apparently almost
none of them were willing to mention its existence. I suspect these other writers realized that
even any mere acknowledgement of the existence of the book, if only to ridicule or dismiss it,
might prove fatal to their media and publishing career. Piper himself died in 2015, aged 54,
suffering from the health problems and heavy-drinking often associated with grim poverty, and
other journalists may have been reluctant to risk that same dismal fate.
As an example of this strange situation, the bibliography of Talbot's 2005 book contains
almost 140 entries, some rather obscure, but has no space for Final Judgment , nor does
his very comprehensive index include any entry for "Jews" or "Israel." Indeed, at one point he
very delicately characterizes Sen. Robert Kennedy's entirely Jewish senior staff by stating
"There was not a Catholic among them." His 2015 sequel is equally circumspect, and although the
index does contain numerous entries pertaining to Jews, all these references are in regards to
World War II and the Nazis, including his discussion of the alleged Nazi ties of Allen Dulles,
his principal bête noire . Stone's book, while fearlessly convicting President
Lyndon Johnson of the JFK assassination, also strangely excludes "Jews" and "Israel" from the
long index and Final Judgment from the bibliography, and Douglass's book follows this
same pattern.
Furthermore, the extreme concerns that the Piper Hypothesis seems to have provoked among JFK
assassination researchers may explain a strange anomaly. Although Mark Lane was himself of
Jewish origins and left-wing roots, after his victory for Liberty Lobby in the Hunt libel
trial, he spent many years associated with that organization in a legal capacity, and
apparently became quite friendly with Piper, one of its leading writers. According to Piper,
Lane told him that Final Judgment made "a solid case" for a major Mossad role in the
assassination, and he viewed the theory as fully complementary to his own focus on CIA
involvement. I suspect that concerns about these associations may explain why Lane was almost
completely airbrushed out of the Douglass and 2007 Talbot books, and discussed in the second
Talbot book only when his work was absolutely essential to Talbot's own analysis. By contrast,
New York Times staff writers are hardly likely to be as versed in the lesser-known
aspects of the JFK assassination research community, and being ignorant of this hidden
controversy, they gave Lane
the long and glowing obituaryy that his career fully warranted.
When weighing the possible suspects for a given crime, considering their past pattern of
behavior is often a helpful approach. As discussed above, I can think of no historical example
in which organized crime initiated a serious assassination attempt against any American
political figure even moderately prominent on the national stage. And despite a few suspicions
here and there, the same applies to the CIA.
By contrast, the Israeli Mossad and the Zionist groups that preceded the establishment of
the Jewish state seem to have had a very long track record of assassinations, including those
of high-ranking political figures who might normally be regarded as inviolate. Lord Moyne, the
British Minister of State for the Middle East, was assassinated in 1944 and Count Folke
Bernadotte, the UN Peace Negotiator sent to help resolve the first Arab-Israel war, suffered
the same fate in September 1948. Not even an American president was entirely free of such
risks, and Piper notes that the memoirs of Harry Truman's daughter Margaret reveal that Zionist
militants had tried to assassinate her father using a letter laced with toxic chemicals in 1947
when they believed he was dragging his heels in supporting Israel, although that failed attempt
was never made public. The Zionist faction responsible for all of these incidents was led by
Yitzhak Shamir, who later became a leader of Mossad and director of its assassination program
during the 1960s, before eventually becoming Prime Minister of Israel in 1986.
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journalist Ronen Bergman suggests that no other country in the world may have so regularly
employed assassination as a standard tool of state policy.
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There are other notable elements that tend to support the Piper Hypothesis. Once we accept
the existence of a JFK assassination conspiracy, the one individual who is virtually certain to
have been a participant was Jack Ruby, and his organized crime ties were almost entirely to the
huge but rarely-mentioned Jewish wing of that enterprise, presided over by Meyer Lansky, an
extremely fervent supporter of Israel. Ruby himself had particularly strong connections with
Lansky lieutenant Mickey Cohen, who dominated the Los Angeles underworld and had been
personally involved in gun-running to Israel prior to the 1948 war. Indeed, according
to Dallas rabbi Hillel Silverman , Ruby had privately explained his killing of Oswald by
saying "I did it for the Jewish people."
JFK film should also be mentioned. Arnon Milchan, the wealthy Hollywood producer who
backed the project, was not only an Israeli citizen, but had also reportedly
played a central role in the enormous espionage projectt to divert American technology and
materials to Israel's nuclear weapons project, the exact undertaking that the Kennedy
Administration had made such efforts to block. Milchan has even sometimes been described as
"the Israeli James Bond."JFK scrupulously avoided presenting any of the details
that Piper later regarded as initial clues to an Israeli dimension, instead seeming to finger
America's fanatic home-grown anti-Communist movement and the Cold War leadership of the
military-industrial complex as the guilty parties.
Summarizing over 300,000 words of Piper's history and analysis in just a few paragraphs is
obviously an impossible undertaking, but the above discussion provides a reasonable taste of
the enormous mass of circumstantial evidence mustered in favor of the Piper Hypothesis..
Final Judgment struck me as quite persuasive, a good fraction of the names and
references were unfamiliar, and I simply do not have the background to assess their
credibility, nor whether the description of the material presented is accurate.
Under normal circumstances, I would turn to the reviews or critiques produced by other
authors, and comparing them against Piper's claims, then decide which argument seemed the
stronger. But although Final Judgment was published a quarter-century ago, the
near-absolute blanket of silence surrounding the Piper Hypothesis, especially from the more
influential and credible researchers, renders this impossible.
However, Piper's inability to secure any regular publisher and the widespread efforts to
smother his theory out of existence, have had an ironic consequence. Since the book went out of
print years ago, I had a relatively easy time securing the rights to include it in my
collection of controversial HTML Books, and I have now done so, thereby allowing everyone on
the Internet to conveniently read the entire text and decide for themselves, while easily
checking the multitude of references or searching for particular words or
phrases..
This edition actually incorporates several much shorter works, originally published
separately. One of these, consisting of an extended Q&A, describes the genesis of the idea
and answers numerous questions surrounding it, and for some readers might represent a better
starting point.
There are also numerous extended Piper interviews or presentations easily available on
YouTube, and when I watched two or three of them a couple of years ago, I thought he
effectively summarized many of his main arguments, but I cannot remember which ones they
were.
The Kennedy assassination surely ranks as one of the most dramatic and heavily reported
events of the twentieth century, yet the overwhelming evidence that our president died at the
hands of a conspiracy rather than an eccentric "lone gunman" was almost entirely suppressed by
our mainstream media during the decades that followed, with endless ridicule and opprobrium
heaped on many of the stubborn truth-tellers. Indeed, the very term "conspiracy theory" soon
became a standard slur aimed against all those who sharply questioned establishmentarian
narratives, and there is strong evidence that such pejorative use was deliberately
promoted by government agencies concerned that so much of the American citizenry was
growing skeptical of the implausible cover story presented by the Warren Commission. But
despite all these efforts, the period may mark the inflection point at which public trust in
our national media began its precipitous decline. Once an individual concludes that the media
lied about something as monumental as the JFK assassination, he naturally begins to wonder what
other lies may be out there.
Although I now consider the case for an assassination conspiracy overwhelming, I think that
the passage of so many decades has removed any real hope of reaching a firm conclusion about
the identities of the main organizers or their motives. Those who disagree with this negative
assessment are free to continue sifting the enormous mountain of complex historical evidence
and debating their conclusions with others having similar interests.
However, among the cast of major suspects, I think that the most likely participant by far
was Lyndon Johnson, based on any reasonable assessment of means, motive, and opportunity, as
well as the enormous role he obviously must have played in facilitating the subsequent Warren
Commission cover-up. Yet although such an obvious suspect must surely have been immediately
apparent to any observer, Johnson seems to have received only a rather thin slice of the
attention that books regularly directed to other, far less plausible suspects. So the clear
dishonesty of the mainstream media in avoiding any recognition of a conspiracy seems matched by
a second layer of dishonesty in the alternative media, which has done its best to avoid
recognizing the most likely perpetrator.
Final Judgment provided an enormous mass of circumstantial evidence suggesting a
major, even dominant, role for the Israeli Mossad in organizing the elimination of both our
35rd president and also his younger brother, a scenario that seems second in likelihood only to
that of Johnson's involvement. Yet Piper's hundreds of thousands of words of analysis have
seemingly vanished into the ether, with very few of the major conspiracy researchers even
willing to admit their awareness of a shocking book that sold over 40,000 copies, almost
entirely by underground word-of-mouth.
So although committed partisans can continue endless, largely fruitless debates over
"Who Killed JFK," I think that the one firm conclusion we can draw from the remarkable history
of this pivotal event of the twentieth century is that all of us have lived for many decades
within the synthetic reality of "Our American Pravda."
Q: Who fired the shot that killed Mussolini?
A: A thousand Italian marksmen.
Johnson has been my perennial favourite as the person who had the most to gain, but he
could not have done it without his Texas machinery, not the least of which was KBR, and they
certainly had a lot to gain by elevating their boy to the pinnacle of power if the rumours,
that JFK planned to scale back in Viet Nam, were true. Coincidence that it happened in
Dallas? Hardly, in that scenario.
Other interesting players on the ground in Dallas that day included GHW Bush, who, unlike
most Americans, can't quite remember where he was when the President was shot. Was he behind
it? Almost certainly not, but he may have been an unwitting co-conspirator by doing something
tangentially connected, e.g. delivering cash. This is pure speculation, but it is interesting
that he rose out of relative obscurity to become a Texas oilman, partnered with a former CIA
operative, with oil interests in a number of international hotspots, and that formed the
basis for him to build a fortune as well as launch a long and storied political career that
saw him elected to Congress, then appointed to the head of the CIA, and ultimately crowned as
President.
I particularly loved it when Trump tried to connect Ted Cruz's father to Oswald. It is not
entirely out of the question, given his father, while a anti-Batista rebel turned
refugee-student at the U of Texas might have crossed paths with Oswald while in Texas .
Yes, all roads seem to lead to Texas, except for that one that goes to NOLA, but that
isn's so far from TX, and it seems like the kind of place oil industry types might go to cat
around and conspire on a coup. It's also one of the few places in the South where Israelis
might not appear to be so out of place.
As for the Israelis well, they're the Israelis. If they saw a shot to capture effective
control of our government by offing a guy more likely to keep them in check for a venal type
who probably didn't give a rat's behind for the Israelis, but salivated over destabilising
the middle east, because destabilizing the middle east actually made Texas oil and other oil
assets around the world controlled by or lifted by Texans in the oil industry far more
valuable, then who can blame them for joining the cabal and taking the shot?
Very nice. Just one thing, though- anyone who was an adult during the Cold War understands
the immense importance of propaganda and 'optics' as they say now. In 1981 the French
Communist Party won 15% of the Presidential vote. Together with the Socilaist Party that was
a combined 40%.
Much of what constituted American' political theater' in the Cold War era consisted of
'double bank-shot' efforts to convince a somewhat cold and borderline hostile European public
to support the trans-Atlantic alliance and the American system which underlay it, a difficult
proposition given that European leftists were ideologically opposed to America's capitalist
system, while seemingly natural-ally European rightists were often repulsed by the gauche
nature of American culture, critical of unrestrained 'Anglo-Saxon' capitalism, plus resentful
of American pop-cultural 'imperialism' as well.
In such a climate the cultivation of a positive American image abroad was a primary
concern of the Deep State, and given what immeasurable harm the exposure of a CIA coup would
have done to America's standing as 'leader of the free world' I cannot imagine the plot was
CIA-hatched or led. CIA connivance and behind-the-scenes assistance raises very interesting
possibilities, though.
Something to consider is that these people in the intelligence agencies are supposed to
protect America , but they can't even spot an assassination when it occurs right under
their noses with a pile of evidence stacked to the ceiling. The majority of Americans can see
it, but not the people tasked with "keeping us safe."WTF?
In the RFK assassination we have video and photos of CIA assassins in the hotel when it
occurs, but they can't see that either.
We have endless crime shows on TV with forensic experts tracking killers, but our real law
enforcement officials can't see anything wrong with the way WTC building 7 implodes.
We are talking about treason and it is ongoing, not simply in the past. Trump delayed
release of the Kennedy files yet again.
A remote viewer psychic came up with an interesting notion as to why JFK was murdered. The
power brokers believed he was reckless and a danger to the whole world.
It's a miracle that the Cuban missile crisis didn't end the world. USSR sub commanders had
immediate authority to use nuclear weapons if attacked – and they were depth
charged.
LBJ had a crew of Texas Oil magnates and John Birch Society types in place and ready to help.
They even posted a 'Wanted for Treason' poster the day Kennedy arrived:
If this is to be believed, the Birch society was in bed with the Zio crew, which might be
believable, because the crusade against Russia was mostly utilizing the bitterness of the
Trotskyites against Stalin's siezure of the Russian state, and thus a natural alliance
between the Zio and Birch groups:
On these questions, the passage of a half-century and the deaths, natural or otherwise,
of nearly all the contemporary witnesses drastically reduces any hope of coming to a firm
conclusion.
Perhaps. One thing that becomes more clear over time is who benefited. Look closely at
those who were put into positions to enable the coverup, people like George Joannides
and Richard Helms. Who was promoted?
The Israel angle is interesting, but Israel doesn't work for me. My government owes
me an explanation. They have a duty to uphold the constitution. They swear an
oath to see that the laws are faithfully executed. It is their duty to protect America
from All Enemies Foreign and Domestic.
The late Harold Weisberg once told me exactly the same thing: figuring out precisely who
was in control of the autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital on the evening of 11/22/63 was the
key to unraveling the cover-up.
U. S. Military authorities ran that thing and made every single damned decision. (Not RFK
or Jacqueline Kennedy.)
Hell, there is credible, provocative and reasonably persuasive evidence the no less a
figure than the legendary USAF Chief of Staff Curtis LeMay flew in to Bethesda and was
playing a major role in directing the autopsy.
The (suspiciously undated) autopsy report was re-written after Ruby shot "Oswald" on
Sunday morning, and the original "draft notes" were burned. The hand-written version was then
edited with very significant changes, most infamously the original wording that JFK had a
"puncture" wound in his neck – WHICH MEANT A SHOT FROM THE FRONT! – was changed
in the typed version as "much smaller".
These changes were not because Humes, Boswell and Finck demanded them. These changes were
done at the behest of military brass, for reasons known only to themselves.
The autopsy was the start of the cover-up, and the autopsy was controlled by the U.S.
Military.
By the way, LeMay was the inspiration for the General Buck Turgidson in "Dr.
Strangelove".
"... The CIA command structure exercises not authority, but something akin to the divine right of kings, concealed for appearances' sake as state secrets ..."
While commenting at the Part I I had similar thoughts concerning the 9/11 as you. The
preponderance of mutually contradictory technical theories of JFK assassination completely
detracted anybody from looking at the qui bono which inevitably would lead to Israel.
It occurred to me that 9/11 may share a similar fate.
This thought was very depressing. Relatively recently we have learned about the term of
the 'cognitive infiltration' from Cass Sustain. It seems clear to me that exactly this
cognitive infiltrations were successfully carried out in the case of JFK truthers.
In writing my article, I'd forgotten to mention that in 1946 Zionist groups led by future
Israeli prime ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir had apparently planned to
assassinate British Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin. There's a link to a 2003 article from the
Daily Telegraph:
Interestingly enough, the British government files also claim that an American Jewish
activist named Rabbi Korff planned to organize some sort of aerial terrorist bombing attack
against London around the same time. Korff later enjoyed a moment of considerable fame as a
very high-profile supporter of President Richard Nixon shortly before his resignation during
the Watergate Scandal.
I had a relatively easy time securing the rights to include it in my collection of
controversial HTML Books, and I have now done so, thereby allowing everyone on the Internet
to conveniently read the entire text and decide for themselves, while easily checking the
multitude of references or searching for particular words or phrases.
"I really doubt that anyone, even the US vice president or director of the CIA has the
authority to order anything like a political assassination of a sitting President."
Authority is not the word you're looking for. The appropriate term, depending on your
point of view, is either absolute sovereignty or impunity. A US Secretary of State formally
defined sovereignty in absolute life-and-death terms repudiated two millenia ago by the
Germanic tribes of pre-modern Europe. The entire world has negated this viewpoint by
acclamation, so the USA's a throwback.
In universally-acknowledged law, sovereignty is responsibility. But the US government
thinks state responsibility is bullshit, and always did do. The US government has been
assiduously undermining it ever since WWII. The US fights tooth and nail to make sure its
citizens have no recourse to actions of the state, lawful or not.
Congress wrote absolute sovereignty into municipal law in the Central Intelligence Agency
Act, various bureaucratic loopholes, and secret confidential legal pretexts. They gave it to
CIA. The CIA command structure exercises not authority, but something akin to the divine
right of kings, concealed for appearances' sake as state secrets . So you misunderstand,
or misrepresent, the government bureaucracy when you imagine that there's that someone CIA
would be scared to kill. They do what they want. And you do what they tell you to, or
else.
What we have in the case of the Zionist movement and Israel is a pattern of a serial
perpetrator of murder, mass murder and terror. This is a well established fact. That
pattern started well before the creation of Israel, see eg the murder of Jacob Israël
de Haan on 30/6/1924 or the King David Hotel bombing on 22/7/1946. That murderous pattern
continued after the creation of Israel, see for the early days for example the murder of
Folke Bernadotte on 17/9/1948 and then read "Israel's sacred terrorism" based on Moshe
Sharett's Personal Diary:
Since the early days of Zionism there are so many proven Zionist and Israeli state
sponsored murders that it is hard to keep tracking them all. The murderous pattern of
Israeli behaviour continues to the very recent time, think for example of the attampted
assassination of Khaled Mashal on 25/9/1997, the car bomb killing Imad Mughniyah on
12/2/2008, the murder of Brig Gen Mohammed Suleiman on 1/8/2008 (which was just recently
proven by US documents to be an Israeli job), the assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh on
19/1/2010 or the recent serial murder of Iranian scientists.
The murder of Jacob Israël de Haan proves that the Zionist movement targeted also
jews. It was not a single case. Naeim Giladi wrote in detail about his role as a Zionist in
attacking Iraqi jews on behalf of Israel in his book: Ben-Gurion's Scandals: How the
Haganah and the Mossad Eliminated Jews. We also know from things like Operation Susannah
and the attempt to sink the USS Liberty that Israel also has already attacked US targets in
the past.
Generally I'ld say Israeli murders and terrors fit in two motive categories: either
Israel committed state sponsored murders to get rid of anactual or perceived enemy like
Khaled Mashal or Imad Mughniyah or someone deemed otherwise harmful to Israeli interests
like Folke Bernadotte, or Israel committed acts of terror and murder with the intention of
blaming the crime on someone else, ie perpetraiting "false flag operations", like it was
the case with attacking Iraqi jews or Operation Susannah. One regular motivation for
Israeli false flag ops was to enlist the US in fighting Israel's real or perceived enemies,
ie starting US-led wars of aggression in the service of Israel. AIPAC/WINEP operatives
publicly talk about using such "options" in the service of starting wars Israel wanted to
get started:
A typical Israeli method to ensure false blame was faking signal intelligence. Victor
Ostrovsky wrote about how the Mossad did falsely blame Libya of terror in his time with
radio signal boxes placed by the Mossad in Libya for that purpose. In the case of the
Ghouta chemical false flag terror attack, Israel simply provided the US with faked signal
intelligence, essentially saying to Obama: now you must go to war, because we proved hereby
that Syria crossed your chemical red lines.
So, now comes the funny thing. Despite this whole record of serial Israeli murder,
terror and false flag terror targeting likewise enemies and friends, terrorists and
innocents, Arabs and Westerners, Muslims, Christians and Jews, Syrians and Americans, and
clear motives for Israel to perpetrate the crimes, there still exists a big taboo of
talking about and investigating a possible Israeli sponsorship of the JFK murder and 9/11.
It's even deemed anti-semitic to speak about this.
What exactly did the editor of Atlanta Jewish Time who called for Obama assassination
say? I could not find the original but here is the quote in The Atlantic
I think the "neocons" tried to get their wars started under Clinton with the USS Cole
attack October 12 2000, while it was being refueled in Yemen's Aden harbor, that they also
blamed on Al-Qaeda.
Sounds very similar to USS Liberty eh? Same people again, same story .
I guess Clinton refused to go along even after ((((Lewinsky))) sex blackmail, and false flag
attack on USS Cole. So they knew they had to get a Republican into office, thats why there
was such a fuss about that election, should also tell you where the Supreme Court stands
9/11, WTC planning, demolition rigging, probably started soon after USS Cole false flag.
It all adds up when you start thinking about it.
and I don't doubt Johnson played a huge role, he obviously did, I also believe some in CIA
played a role as well as in Military/MIC, and probably even Wall St/Banking, Big Oil, that is
what makes it a CONSPIRACY!
But I think the head honcho is Israel/Zionist intrests, and their plan of world
domination.
One important aspect of Piper's book is that his overwhelming focus on Israel and the Mossad
provides a very helpful corrective to the CIA-centricism that I've noticed among so many
"conspiracy people," who seem to believe that the CIA is some sort of all-powerful
controlling force.
For example, in Appendix Six, Piper suggests that Mossad may have assassinated former CIA
Director William Colby, as well as John Paisley, another former high-ranking CIA
official:
I certainly don't know enough about these cases to comment, but the NSA is supposedly also
a pretty powerful intelligence organization, and lots of NSA people were killed or wounded
during the Liberty attack, with absolutely no apparent consequences. And if top CIA people
could also occasionally be killed with relative impunity, maybe that organization also isn't
really so all-powerful.
Furthermore, one of Piper's major arguments is that long-time CIA counter-intelligence
chief James Angleton had effectively become a Mossad intelligence asset at least by the
1960s, and he seems to provide a great deal of circumstantial evidence in favor of this
notion. Therefore, he points toward Angleton as the likely CIA figure who spearheaded the CIA
involvement in the JFK assassination.
One nice thing about my HTML Book software is that it allows full text searches of the
books in question, controlled by the little Search icon next to the Email button. Or you can
use this link:
"..CIA-centricism that I've noticed among so many "conspiracy people," who seem to
believe that the CIA is some sort of all-powerful controlling force."
The CIA was also the "easy" and "obvious" culprit after 9/11. It came under an incredible
amount of criticism from the "courageous" media, and George Tenet, its director at the time,
was almost forced to resign.
It turned out later that the CIA had previously warned G. Bush about the increased risks
of terror attack, and that their warnings were dismissed by Rumsfeld and the NeoCons, who a
contrario were never blamed for anything.
This really shows who is higher up the food chain.
Jack Ruby was running guns and ammunition from Galveston Bay to Fidel Castro's
guerrillas in Cuba about 1957, a former poker-playing partner of the Dallas nightclub owner
told The News Thursday.
James E. Beaird said he waited until 1966, almost three years after the assassination of
President John F. Kennedy, and "nothing had come out so I called them (FBI) just to find
out why I was curious. However, they didn't see fit to even mention it to me again, so I
never heard of anything they ever opened up on it."
Beaird said the FBI finally "sent a man out in 1976. I don't know why they did it
then."
The FBI agent who interviewed Beaird in 1976 didn't mention in his report that Beaird
had volunteered information about Ruby's gunrunning to the bureau in 1966. The report
stated that since the 1963 assassination, "there had been so·much speculation as to
possible foreign connections and he (Beaird) thought it better not to mention his knowledge
of Jack Ruby in Kemah (southeast of Houston on Galveston Bay)."
The Warren Commission in 1964 investigated numerous allegations of gunrunning by Ruby
but concluded that no factual information existed.
Beaird told the FBI that he "personally saw many boxes of new guns, including atltomatic
rifles and handguns," stored in a 2-story house near the channel at Kemah and loaded on
what looked like a 50-foot surplus military boat.
"He stated each time that the boat left with guns and ammunition, Jack Ruby was on the
boat," the FBI report said.
Beaird, who was an automobile dealer in Houston from 1955 to 1957, said Ruby "was in it
for the money. It wouldn't matter what side, just one that would pay him the most I don't
even know who the ship belonged to. But he was in command of it. He went out every time it
went. It was meeting a connection down there (in Cuba), that's all I ever heard."
Ruby would show up in Kemah, generally on weekends, to play poker and "just killing time
until the boat was loaded," Beaird said, and usually was there not more than one or two
hours.
"They loaded up at least twice while I was down there," be said. "Pickup trucks would
carry it from the house over to this boat."
By 1959, Castro had taken control of Cuba and Ruby was beginning to switch sides as
Castro threatened to force Mafia-backed professional gamblers out of the casinos in
Havana.
Dallas Morning News, 18 Aug 1978
What was Ruby's connection to the splinter groups of left-over Cubans in Dallas? Was he
selling them guns? Was he hiring them for odd jobs? Did he hear of the crazy violent commie
anglo Oswald through his connections to these Cubans?
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What were these Israeli goats doing in Cuba shortly after the revolution that brought
Fidel Castro to power? It turns out that Castro had taken notice of Israeli goats and was
just waiting for the chance to taste their milk following the establishment in 1960 of
diplomatic relations between the two countries.
"Fidel thought there were goats in Israel that produced milk like cows," recounted
Clarita Malhi, who worked at the Cuban embassy in Israel. "He was really enamored by the
technical progress Israel had made in the field of agriculture."
The Cuban ambassador in Israel was a Jewish millionaire revolutionary by the name of
Ricardo Wolf (Ricardo Subirana y Lobo in Spanish), who decided to fulfill the dream of his
boss who had sent him to Israel. The ambassador went looking for goats that "produced milk
like cows" and could be shipped far across the ocean.
Yitzhak Zilber, a Cuban Jew and a member of Kibbutz Gaash, was chosen for the mission.
Zilber, 89, sent Haaretz photos in which he is seen with the goats he found, waiting for a
plane at the airport and travelling around Cuba.
Ultimately, when the goats for the mission were found, they were brought together at the
airport, awaiting the moment when they could be airlifted to Cuba. An El Al plane landed in
Israel from Cuba with new immigrants from the Cuban Jewish community who had decided to
flee Castro's revolution. They came as part of an agreement under which Cuba effectively
exchanged the immigrants for the goats.
The Haaretz archives contain a piece of information that might buttress the story about
Castro and his Israeli goats. In an article in July 1961, it was reported that the Israeli
Agriculture Ministry had sent an expert to Cuba to help the Cubans improve goat
breeding.
Wolf, who was born in Germany, emigrated to Cuba in the 1920s and became a close
associate of Castro. As a wealthy industrialist, he gave a large sum of money to finance
the revolution. He later politely declined the offer of a cabinet position, but asked
Castro to appoint him ambassador to Israel. Castro assented and Wolf arrived in the country
in 1960 as Cuba's first – and only – ambassador. The trade involving the goats
and the new immigrants was funded by Wolf personally.
'Twas not ever thus. Not only did Cuba establish ties with nascent Israel in 1949, but
Castro dispatched a key supporter, Ricardo Wolf, as his ambassador to Israel in 1960.
Dworin says Wolf, who made his fortune as a pioneer in the metal industry, helped
finance the purchase of the yacht Granma, the cabin-cruiser built for 12 that ferried the
Castro brothers, Che and 80 other revolutionaries from Mexico to Cuba in 1956 -- on the
voyage that would culminate in the overthrow of Batista.
"What can I do to repay you?" Castro, once installed in power, asked Wolf, in Dworin's
telling. "I want to be ambassador to Israel," he replied.
Was Ricardo Subirana Y Lobo (Ricardo Wolf), a Cuban Jew and supporter of Castro, the
bridge between Castro and Mossad? Castro originally offered Wolf the post of Minister of
Finance in the communist government, but Wolf preferred to be Ambassador to Israel.
Hello Ron, I found your comment about growing up with the belief in the lone gunman
official story interesting. I grew up in a communist country which was not part of the USSR
block and I grew up with a belief in the official story that CIA was the main culprit in
the JFK assassination although without a direct mention of LBJ. I would be interested to
learn also what the official story inside the Eastern block was.
Even to this day, I have to admit that this official story was actually very close to the
truth. So many years later and even after reading your high quality article I tend to believe
that LBJ was heavily involved but at arms length distance, that CIA has done all of the
ground work, that Mossad probably assisted and that Oswald did not even shoot let alone kill
anyone.
Why is a local belief relevant? Well because whoever killed Kennedy tried to point blame
at communists, those of USSR and Cuba. What I was lead to believe in this instance proves the
old saying audi alteram partem – do not form any belief before you hear both
sides. This applies to practically all strange events of history. Historical, geographical
and ideological distance make quite a difference in the beliefs that we grow up with.
Next, the culprits would probably be mirrored in the case of 911, where the Israelis have
done most of the ground work, whilst the dual citizens and the US agencies they control
played the supporting and enabling role.
Obviously, the logistics of 911 dwarfs the logistics of the Kennedy assassinations, but it
would be the same team, different era and with a different emphasis. The acts becoming more
self-confident and brazen.
The account you are responding to has Macnamara ordering back nuclear armed planes which
obviously had nothing to do with seeing off Israeli fighters and gunboats.
The more "mainstream" account that has been widely reported is that squadrons of U.S. jets
were twice dispatched to rescue the Liberty, and then twice recalled based on top-level
instructions from D.C.
I've sometimes seen another account floating around on the Internet that the Johnson and
the Israelis had concocted a plan to have the latter sink the Liberty with all hands,
after which Johnson would blame the attack on Egypt and launch a nuclear attack against Cairo
in retaliation. Frankly, I find this scenario *extraordinarily* implausible, and until
someone provides a credible source, I would just dismiss it. And by a "credible source" I
mean something more than some random guy making the claim somewhere in some book.
The 'bad-apples' disinformation relies on the idea that compartmentation and plausible
deniability are incompatible with strict hierarchy. CIA lets a thousand flowers bloom when it
makes a directive, but its assets are always strictly controlled with inducements, coercion,
and compromise. The multiple JFK plots show CIA's telltale M.O. for important programs, not
hordes of sneaky bad apples.
All the mafia-did-it disinformation relies on a sharp distinction between CIA and
organized crime. Anywhere CIA is, they farm crime for agents and cutouts. Robert Kennedy Jr.
makes this point in his book American Values (and that is why it sank without a ripple.)
And of course Johnson had foreknowledge. He was at Clint Murchison's party, in the little
closed-door conclave where CIA green-lighted the coup. So was Rockefeller henchman John
McCloy. CIA arranged to implicate lots of influential people.
The key point here is CIA impunity. CIA did it because CIA can get away with it. That
makes Johnson a figurehead, not a potential threat.
Here's what we all have to face. All of us grew up under an autocratic CIA regime that
hires and fires presidents, legislators, and judges. Kills them, too. They still kill or
torture anyone they want. Ask Gina.
I too have read Stone's book and, while he did not in any way "prove" that LBJ had JFK shot,
he certainly laid out a plausible case for his involvement. Any one who has read Caro's
series of books on LBJ will come away with the realization that he (Johnson) was capable of
having him assassinated as well as having the means and the motivation. The man had no
principles or scruples whatsoever.
I can't comment on any Israeli involvement, but praise for Ron Unz for adding his voice to
those who believe LBJ almost had to have played a role in that event. Like others here, I was
not a JFK fan either. But johnson's elevation to the presidency was an unparalleled disaster
for the USA.
The late Col. Fletcher Prouty was assigned to the Pentagon in charge of Air Force support of
CIA operations in the years leading up to the assassination. His boss there was Gen. Edward
Lansdale, nominally Air Force but actually undercover CIA, father of Special Forces and the
engineer of the coup in the Philippines in the mid-fifties. Those familiar with the JFK
treachery will recall the clear press photos of "the three tramps", men arrested in the
railroad yard behind the grassy knoll, who were led away and never seen again. Two of those
men were Howard Hunt (CIA) and Charles Harrelson (Texas mafia assassin). One of these photos
shows a suited man passing by casually, seeming to reassure the three men. Col. Prouty, who
worked closely with Lansdale for years, positively identified him and this was affirmed by
Gen. "Brute" Krulak, who was at the time commander of MAAG in South Vietnam. The distinctive
shape of his head and his West Point ring are clearly visible. Go to the website dedicated to
Col. Prouty's works at http://www.prouty.org for this and much else directly from the
horse's mouth. By the way, toward the end of the nineties, the only fingerprint on the sixth
floor of the book depository that was not identified after the assassination was matched to
Malcolm Wallace, Lindon Johnson's hitman, reportedly executing at least three murders for
him.
Viewing the Zapruder film carefully, one can see that, during the six seconds of shooting,
the limousine's brake lights are on and it almost comes to a halt. The chauffeur is looking
back all this time and does not speed off until he sees JFK's head explode. There is a film
clip that shows that, as the cortege begins to leave Love Field, the SS agents that attempted
to ride in the normal protective position on the back bumper were called away by the chief of
the detail. The two men protested strongly but were ordered back to a car. There were no
motorcycle outriders, a standard security procedure. The 1112th Military Intelligence group,
which normally would have secured the parade route was ordered to stand down and there was no
additional security to replace them. Make of it what you will.
the passage of a half-century and the deaths, natural or otherwise, of nearly all the
contemporary witnesses drastically reduces any hope of coming to a firm conclusion. At
best, we can evaluate possibilities and plausibilities rather than high likelihoods let
alone near certainties. And given the total absence of any hard evidence, our exploration
of the origins of the assassination must necessarily rely upon cautious speculation.
What pathetic bollocks. You should write for CNN.
If the doctors attending on Kennedy at the Parklands Hospital, men experienced with
gunshot wounds, all agreed, as they did, that Kennedy was killed by a bullet to the front of
his head, then he was not killed by bullets from the Texas School Book Depository window
where Oswald is alleged to have been. Therefore, the Warren Commission Report is based on
lies. In particular, a phony autopsy report and a rewriting of the autopsy report findings by
none other than President-to-be, Gerald Ford. That's not a matter of plausibilities or
possibilities, liklihoods or non-certainties. It's as hard evidence as you ever likely to get
in a court of law.
But Israel didn't do it! LOL. Who said Israel did do it? Only some of the nutters that
comment freely here.
What would be interesting, if anyone would take the trouble to do it, is to delve more
deeply into the political connections of the people in the CIA who organized the crime. If
LBJ was the greatest beneficiary, it is nevertheless likely that there were Republicans on
side with the killing, otherwise the CIA would surely not have acted. That E. Howard Hunt,
Mexico City CIA station chief at the time of the assassination appears to have been connected
with the event through (a) Oswald's visit to the Mexico City CIA office, and (b) Hunt's
alleged presence in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination, suggests that Hunt's role
in the Watergate burglary was to see what information the Democratic Party may have had
relating to the assassination that could have been used to damage Richard Nixon in his run
for re-election.
All of this seems pretty interesting and completes my suppositions as to what happened to JFK
and RFK and who was responsible and, perhaps even more importantly, who benefited "cui bono"
a usual criterion in determined who instigated a murder.
" Johnson may indeed have been a passive supporter or even an accomplice."
Lyndon Johnson's long-standing friendship/strategic partnership with J. Edgar Hoover
points to the "passive supporter" role. Act of Treason (1991), by Mark North, documents
Hoover's knowledge of, but not active participation in, the JFK hit. Hoover's job was to
provide bureaucratic support of the coup d'état and to ease his friend Lyndon into the
White House.
The prime mover in the assassination was the Allen Dulles cabal at CIA: The presence of
Lee Harvey Oswald speaks of James Angleton's involvement. But the details of the network that
took the operational role still seems to be in question. There was that group of U.S.
intelligence officers and Mafia figures that began during the second world war. And now the
new research that suggests an Israeli role on one hand, and Fourth Reich elements on the
other. (Fourth Reich elements being the Otto Skorzeny network known as Die Spinne or Odessa
that had ties with MacArthur's WW2 intelligence chief Charles Willoughby.)
So the mystery continues. But however the network that assumed the operational role in the
JFK hit was configured, Allen Dulles was the godfather.
Nice summary of the salient points of the assassinations. A couple of things that did not get
mentioned:
The "wink" as LBJ was being sworn in. It clinches it.
Marion Brown's statement that LBJ, her lover, told her well in advance that JFK was going to
be killed.
Peter Dale Scott stated: The door to the assassination is through Jack Ruby.
Ruby's phone calls were looked at by the FBI and Justice Dept., and catalogued. Almost all
were to Jewish mafia figures–not Italians. When the House Assassinations Committee
asked for these transcripts, they were told they no longer existed! But old copies were
eventually found. Someone in DOJ tried to scrub them from the records.
One of the best books on the assassination IMHO is Gaeton Fonzi's "The Last
Investigation."
Piper's book is essential reading, but he focuses only on Israel and the Jewish connections.
Because of its lack of "balance", it should not be read as a stand-alone treatise on the JFK
assassination.
Among my top ten books are–admittedly a list long out of date:
On the Trail of the Assassins
The Last Investigation
Deep Politics and the Death of JFK
JFK and the Unspeakable
Final Judgment (with above reservations)
Probably more important would be a list of books absolutely NOT to be read–among
them Gerald Posner's "Case Closed."
As a general rule, you can consider ANYONE arguing that Unz is full of s$#t and Oswald did
it as a crazed lone assassin, is a paid TROLL. The assassinations are grounded in solid
research that has been going on since the 1970s, when I attended a four-hour lecture by David
Lifton at SUNY Stony Brook–an event that literally toppled my world. It has never
recovered.
You might want to find a copy of Dr. Mary's Monkey. I think it is a really good read about a
side story to the JFK assassination about the goings on in New Orleans and the CIA.
It matters only because the truth always matters, and until it is satisfied it will always
be a pebble in the shoe. The past is only past because it has happened, but in its own
strange way its always with us. Events that occurred 200 years ago affect today, as well as
those events from 500 years ago. And sometimes things need to be covered up for very good
reasons.
As for our "kulcher", I personally believe it's just part of a nations life cycle. None of
us age younger, neither does a nation, it can also die.
You mention here that you think our alternative media have been dishonest in analyzing
LBJ's likely role in the assassination. Why? Was it because the media feared LBJ might have
them killed?
I very much doubt that. Johnson died at the beginning of 1973, a very widely despised and
hated figure, and surely few people feared any retaliation much after that, let alone Talbot
and Douglass writing forty years later.
I suspect there were several factors, mostly the ones I outlined in my discussion.
First, most JFK researchers were strong liberals or otherwise admired "Camelot," and it
surely would have been very difficult for them to psychologically accept that most of JFK's
top people were perfectly willing to continue working for LBJ, if the latter had murdered the
former.
Also, "LBJ Killed JFK" might sound like such a ultra "crazy conspiracy theory" to
publishers and editors who overwhelmingly may still believe that a "lone gunman" killed JFK.
So writers who considered making such a claim might fear having their careers totally ruined.
I think fear of humiliation, reputation-loss, and the resulting financial damage is a far
greater factor than fear of physical harm.
Here's another factor. Having a vice president come to power by assassinating his
predecessor is the sort of thing that just doesn't happen in developed First World countries.
Offhand, I can't think of even a single case in any major country over the last couple of
hundred years. It would probably be pretty embarrassing for even a Third World
banana-republic. What respectable American historian would want to admit that the politics of
our own country at the height of its international prestige during the early 1960s may have
actually made Guatemala look like a shining example of orderly, constitutional
government?
As for our "kulcher", I personally believe it's just part of a nations life cycle. None
of us age younger, neither does a nation, it can also die.
"Culture" is not a subset of "nation". The American culture has changed -- all culture
changes in accordance with external influences. America, as a nation founded under a set of
Enlightenment principles, has ended. There remains a huge morass/aggregation of conflicting
cultures, overseen and manipulated by a horrificly corrupt government.
McClennan is the son of one of Johnson's attorneys
I read them both along with Piper's book.
They make a lot more sense that the right wing atmosphere of hate Dallas PD including
officer Tippett another of Oswald's Victims and president bush & cia fbi secret service
army navy Air Force departments of agriculture and every other government department and of
course the man directing the military ambush by 15 shooters, umbrella man.
Have fun with your myths legends and fairy tales, naive credulous gullible idiots.
And if the Warren Commission Report was a cover up, what had they to cover up? Government
complicity in the assassination of JFK, obviously. So who, in particular, was involved. Well
obviously that branch of government that does assassinations, the CIA. But that does not mean
that the CIA went rogue.
The CIA serves the powers that be, so whatever the antagonism of some individuals within
the Agency, the CIA would not have acted on the assassination of JFK without bipartisan
political support.
LBJ, the obvious beneficiary, had every reason to give the CIA the nod, but someone on the
other side of the aisle had to be complicit too. Who?
Well Nixon had been the Republican Presidential candidate in the previous election, so he
was the effective head of the party and thus the man to go to.
As I argue
here , Nixon's guilty knowledge of the assassination may have been the real cause of his
downfall. Nixon's Vice President, Gerald R. Ford had been appointed to the Warren Commission
by LBJ and it was he who made a critical falsification of that report, therby casting
responsibility for the killing on Lee Harvey Oswald.
It is likely, therefore, that Ford had the goods on Nixon and blackmailed him into
resignation over the Watergate inquiry.
What exactly did the editor of Atlanta Jewish Time who called for Obama assassination say? I
could not find the original but here is the quote in The Atlantic
Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed
unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place , and
forcefully dictate that the United States' policy includes its helping the Jewish state
obliterate its enemies.
Yes, you read "three" correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve
Israel's existence. Think about it. If I have thought of this Tom Clancy-type scenario,
don't you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel's most
inner circles ?
Where from did Mr. Andrew Adler, who was forced to resign later, get the idea of killing a
president so he would be replaced with Israel friendly VP? Did Mr. Adler study JFK
assassination and LBJ policy with respect to Israel? Or is it a common knowledge and common
Jewish modus operandi: kill whoever does not like Israel? Do Jews think and talk about
assassinating of American presidents who are unfriendly to Israel? Do Jews believe that the
Deep Sate in Israel considers assassinations and act on it when necessary?
"You mention here that you think our alternative media have been dishonest in analyzing
LBJ's likely role in the assassination. Why? Was it because the media feared LBJ might have
them killed? Was it perhaps because some in our media were on the payroll and being used to
distract from the "mastermind" assassin?"
You have the reason already in Maurice Joly's Dialogues. The opposition media is created
to nominally represent alternative views but in reality to silence of the issues you want
silenced. Even the opposition, which always picks up on everything, agrees with this issue,
so it accepted by all. Much of the alternative media has nothing to fear as it is not
alternative media in anything but appearance. But with the Internet it is getting harder to
do this. Finally they fail.
"As for the Israelis well, they're the Israelis. If they saw a shot to capture effective
control of our government by offing a guy more likely to keep them in check for a venal type
who probably didn't give a rat's behind for the Israelis, but salivated over destabilising
the middle east, because destabilizing the middle east actually made Texas oil and other oil
assets around the world controlled by or lifted by Texans in the oil industry far more
valuable, then who can blame them for joining the cabal and taking the shot?"
So, LBJ just wanted to promote Texas oil and to become the President, no special Israel
connection? And the Israelis just joined the cabal and who can blame them?
I found it very interesting that young LBJ was helping in the Galveston project. Galveston
somehow reminded me of Jacob Schiff. And I also found it fascinating that young Allan Dulles
was the guy who produced the very copy of Joly's Dialogues from which Ohrana plagiarized the
Protocols. Both were working for the dark side from their youth.
I recently learned of another smoking gun. After JFKs Limo arrived at Parkland hospital, many
people looked it over and took photos. There was a bullet hole through the front windshield.
It entered from the front, yet was never discussed afterwards by anyone. The Limo was hauled
away to Washington within hours and secretly repaired. There are lots of links about this,
such as:
Prouty was the source for Mr. X in Oliver Stone's movie JFK. Prouty was an air force pilot
in WWII. He flew missions around the world and witnessed history as it happened. After WWII,
he worked in the pentagon as a liaison officer between the military and the CIA. He saw the
original documents authorizing military support of CIA operations around the world.
As Prouty explains it, throughout human history war was a means of killing the other guy
and taking his stuff. The preparation for war and the prosecution of war provided an
organizing principle for human society that gave people the motivation to develop their own
societies, lest the other guy become more powerful than you and kill you.
As he describes it, with the detonation of atomic weapons at the end of WWII, conventional
war was instantly understood to be obsolete. In any future conventional war, if one side was
about to win a decisive victory, the potentially losing side would simply go nuclear, and
everyone would lose.
With the end of conventional war, and the impossibility of nuclear war, the global power
elite invented the proxy war as the new means for the continuation of war as an organizing
principle of society. In the U.S., the CIA was the tool for starting and prosecuting proxy
wars.
Prouty describes how, at the end of WWII, he was flying supply missions to Okinawa for the
staging of the invasion of Japan. The military bases in Okinawa were overflowing with every
conceivable type of materiel necessary to support more than a million man invasion.
After the atomic bombs were dropped and Japan had surrendered, Prouty claims that he asked
a supply officer if they were just going to send all the supplies back to the states.
The officer said no. He said that all the materiel was going to be divided in half, and
that half was going to Seoul, Korea, and that the other half was going to Hanoi, Vietnam.
Prouty believes that by 1945 Korea and Vietnam had already been decided to be the sites of
the first proxy wars, and that the CIA was already involved in planning the wars.
Kennedy was planning to dismantle the CIA, and Prouty recounts in his books, lectures, and
videos how the JFK assassination reversed the course of history.
The JFK assassination is an endless rabbit hole of history. If you jump in, you won't come
out the same way.
This article is a nice overview that explains the problem. There were many powerful groups
who wanted Kennedy killed, and probably several plots were underway. Allow me to suggest "The
Secret Team" by Col. Prouty to your reading list.
Your last post resulted in too many posts to read, but one pointed to an outstanding video
of Lee Oswald's life, showing facts that make it clear he was a CIA operative. Note that
after he returned from Russia after openly committing treason, he was never arrested, and
granted a spousal visa for his Russian wife. That undeniable fact itself is proof he was a
CIA plant. Oswald hoped to become an official CIA officer and federal employee, but remained
a low-level paid operative until his death. Oswald expressed concern in New Orleans that
operatives were considered disposable.
In 1979, the House Select Committee on Assassinations stated in its Final Report that
the Committee was "inclined to believe that Oswald was in Clinton (Louisiana) in late
August, early September 1963, and that he was in the company of David Ferrie, if not Clay
Shaw,"[64] and that witnesses in Clinton, Louisiana "established an association of an
undetermined nature between Ferrie, Shaw and Oswald less than three months before the
assassination".[65]
The CIA also admitted that Clay Shaw had worked for them in some capacity. See quote
below.
During a 1979 libel suit involving the book Coup D'Etat In America, Richard Helms,
former director of the CIA, testified under oath that Shaw had been a part-time contact of
the Domestic Contact Service of the CIA, where Shaw volunteered information from his
travels abroad, mostly to Latin America.[70] Like Shaw, 150,000 Americans (businessmen, and
journalists, etc.) had provided such information to the DCS by the mid-1970s.[70] [nb 1] In
February 2003, the CIA released documents pertaining to an earlier inquiry from the
Assassination Records Review Board about QKENCHANT, a CIA project used to provide security
approvals on non-CIA personnel, that indicated Shaw had obtained a "five Agency" clearance
in March 1949.[72]
More interesting information below.
New Orleans attorney Dean Andrews testified to the Warren Commission that while he was
hospitalized for pneumonia, he received a call from "Clay Bertrand" the day after the
assassination, asking him to fly to Dallas to represent Lee Harvey Oswald.[28][29]
According to FBI reports, Andrews told them that this phone call from "Clay Bertrand" was a
figment of his imagination.[30]
In his book, On the Trail of the Assassins, Garrison says that after a long search of
the New Orleans French Quarter, his staff was informed by the bartender at the tavern
"Cosimo's" that "Clay Bertrand" was the alias that Clay Shaw used. According to Garrison,
the bartender felt it was no big secret and "my men began encountering one person after
another in the French Quarter who confirmed that it was common knowledge that 'Clay
Bertrand' was the name Clay Shaw went by."[\
So it appears likely that Oswald, Ferrie, and Shaw knew each other. Which is sort of
strange.
Then there's George de Mohrenschildt, a very complex and interesting character. I wonder
if anyone here could tell me more about the nature of his relationship with Oswald.
I believe the Zionists in Israel placed the order and Freemasons in the American Deep State
executed the order. It's also quite possible that Zionist terrorists did the actual shooting
as they had the experience in killing Western high profile targets (Moyne, Bernadotte, King
David Hotel bombing, etc) but more likely that elements of the Deep State in America who
hated JFK did the actual shooting. In either case, Oswald was not lone-nut and the case is
certainly not closed. We know this because Trump recently reclassified the sealed JFK
assassination records which were mandated to be released in October, 2017. He stated that he
did so to protect "national security" (aka protect the Deep State and Israel) and to protect
the "names and addresses" of individuals still alive. Trump, far from being an opponent of
the Deep State, is actually working hand-in-hand with them (the Mueller "investigation" is
actually smoke and mirrors to distract the Sheeple from the fact that Trump is actually part
of the Deep State).
I've heard Stone talk about Nixon's reaction to seeing Ruby shoot Oswald, but this surely
wasn't an eyewitness account, as Stone was in 6th grade at the time. His career as a
political operative goes back about 45 years to volunteering for CREEP as a college student
in 1972, somewhat less as an influential one.
Apparently Johnson's mistress said he told her in so many words that the assassination was
going to happen. I think there's little doubt that he was aware and acquiescent, perhaps an
active participant. Ruby probably was his man, and he and Ruby both likely were Israel's men.
A few years later Johnson was blood in the water for the mainstream media shark tank over
Vietnam and civil disorder. If he were the prime mover of the JFK assassination, I doubt that
the media would uniformly have laid off the subject. Only Israel, it would seem, could have
orchestrated such a massive and continuous cover up.
Another well-reasoned and highly-detailed article. I agree that we'll probably never know
many of the important details of how the assassination was planned and who was involved,
given almost all the participants and witnesses are long since dead. However, we can almost
certainly conclude that there was a conspiracy that involved many important individuals from
the establishment, including President LBJ.
What are your thoughts on Seymour Hersh and his book "The Dark Side of Camelot"? I recall
his book received very negative coverage by the MSM, but I can't really judge how credible
his claims happen to be. It's a very shocking book though.
You mention here that you think our alternative media have been dishonest in analyzing
LBJ's likely role in the assassination. Why? Was it because the media feared LBJ might have
them killed? Was it perhaps because some in our media were on the payroll and being used to
distract from the "mastermind" assassin?
So the clear dishonesty of the mainstream media in avoiding any recognition of a
conspiracy seems matched by a second layer of dishonesty in the alternative media, which
has done its best to avoid recognizing the most likely perpetrator.
Here's a good History Channel special on how LBJ may have been involved with the JFK
assassination. I personally think it makes a pretty good case.
says:
June 25, 2018 at 8:09 am GMT 100 Words For anyone who hasn't seen it, here is a stabilized,
panoramic version of the Zapruder film. With this, you can get a clearer idea of the scene and
what really happened. For me at least, it removes a lot of the mystery, revealing that the
physical event itself was not that remarkable, no matter who did it.
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@JohnnyWalker123 Dan Rather lied about the event to the public.
Which was remarkable.
Watch Rather lie here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXFwbIx2mbc ,
@TonyVodvarka Viewing the Zapruder film carefully, one can see that, during the six seconds
of shooting, the limousine's brake lights are on and it almost comes to a halt. The chauffeur
is looking back all this time and does not speed off until he sees JFK's head explode. There is
a film clip that shows that, as the cortege begins to leave Love Field, the SS agents that
attempted to ride in the normal protective position on the back bumper were called away by the
chief of the detail. The two men protested strongly but were ordered back to a car. There were
no motorcycle outriders, a standard security procedure. The 1112th Military Intelligence group,
which normally would have secured the parade route was ordered to stand down and there was no
additional security to replace them. Make of it what you will. ,
@Heros Every time I see that Zapruder film I am reminded by the Kinks song "Give the people
what they want":
When Oswald shot Kennedy, he was insane
Yet still we watch the re-runs again and again
We all sit glued while killer takes aim.......
Hey Mom there go the pieces of the Presidents Brain
Both Kennedy assassinations were also a massive psyop, and they remain so today. All the
talk shows, all the movies, all the images flashing on screen, all the background music. But
the scandal, is always used to push the sexualize and destroy the family agenda. Kennedy
publicly had so many lovers, including Maralyn Monroe, another psyop herself.
It is the same with Clinton's famous cigar. This obsession with perverse sex is a very
strong indicator of where the scandal is emanating. All the dogs not barking that point to this
place are evidence too.
Much better articles in italian or spanish. They basically say that's because of 'recent'
events of P2 sect fraud in 1981. More sensible to think they don't want globalist with hidden
loyalties infiltrating a new inexperienced government, but I don't follow italian
developments closely. Any thoughts?
If Israel and Jewish Power killed JFK it matters very much. If by a magic wand I could
make people believe that Israel and Jewish Power were behind JFK assassination it would be
much easier to stop and undo all those things that you have listed:
This is simply wrong. Basically, it's the Joo (or any other) conspiracy, according to this
world-view.
The crucial mistake virtually all conspiracy- theories minded people make is that they try
to pin-point a clearly defined group (mostly religious, ethnic, racial,..) as the
source of major socio-cultural changes, and frequently it's Jews (sometimes masons or
something similar).
And this is a major misfire, because no such group exists. There is no causal
connection between any ethnicity/race/ & great upheavals in the West (and in the US) in
past 3-4 decades, especially re immigration debates, influx of culturally & racially
foreign and inimical masses, disintegration of family & denigration of national loyalties
etc. To think that a group (or groups), which is relatively easy to identify, can be the
source of such monumental upheavals bespeaks of historical illiteracy.
There was no ethnic nor ideological group of people behind such shattering revolutions
& world-view changes like transition from Roman republic to Imperial Rome, Protestant
Reformation, Crusades, formation of national monarchies, Enlightenment, collapse of "divine
rights" of kings, imperialist expansion of European powers, national awakening in the 19th C,
WW1 and WW2, Not Jews, not masons, not Illuminati, not Rosicrucians, not some occult
brotherhood residing in the Himalayas.
Simply, Western civilization has come to a dead end -as it was the continuity of the 18th C
Enlightenment- and we are witnessing the processes of further decay, encapsulated in famous
hypothetical question ascribed to Lenin: " Are the forces which propel us to greatness the
same that will, transformed by mutations of History, eventually lead to our collapse
?"
A man who, despite his shortcomings & delusions about the role of technology, various
national cultures and their dominant currents, understood this better than most was Oswald
Spengler. The Western civilizational matrix is old and tired. And this is the root of
the Western decline. That what plagues the West & the US the most (race replacement, PC
"liberal" ideological muzzle, hedonist emptiness & biological collapse manifested in
infertility, pathological altruism, lunatic ideological fashions like n-th wave of feminism,
media aggression promoting "diversity" & homosexualism- as different from homosexuality,
self-hatred of European & Western culture .)-this is as present, although a bit modified,
in Italy, Spain, Denmark, Norway, France, Germany, Switzerland,.. as in the US. And in these
countries Jewish presence in the media & the overall life is negligible or
non-existent.
Although ruling elites differ in these countries, they are a mixture of hereditary
aristocracy, established bourgeois families & plutocratic oligarchs. These groups have,
historically, served their countries. Now, they are morally & culturally bankrupt and
serve outmoded gods whose future is annihilation- similar situation that had befallen pompous
& deluded aristocrats in the 18th-19th C or imperialist jingoists in the 20th.
The failure of nerve that comes with exhausted & geriatric social-cultural matrix
is to blame, not some group conspiracy.
But, the societal-cultural matrix is exhausted, not the people. Our flaw is linear
extrapolation of current events which leads to paralyzing pessimist fatalism. We should know
from history this is a fatal mistake. Just compare Europe in 1930 (cars, planes, fascism,
communism, cubism, quantum mechanics, relativity, psychoanalysis, radio, tanks, films, ..)
and during 1900 (technologically, scientifically, ideologically and artistically more or less
the same as 1880).
So, we should not give up hope, and some of us who are obsessed with Jews, should give up
this tired old chestnut. If all of US Jewish ethno-nationalists were booted to Israel, life
would be somewhat easier for Euro-Americans in some respects, but not essentially different.
Blacks would remain blacks, PC muzzle would remain PC muzzle, dopeheads would remain
dopeheads, Pentagon would remain Pentagon,
"It appears that Belfield, an Englishman, has obtained through FOIA the tapes of the in
flight conversations among the Israelis concerning the strikes on USS Liberty. I wrote in my
post quoted below of having read transcripts in the Spring 0f 1968 that were of exactly the
same material. It seems likely that this is the same material now released by NSA. .
pl
"I quote below from my Athenaeum post written in 2010 and entitled "What I know About the
USS Liberty.
"What I know about the USS Liberty" re-published from October, 2007
Jim Ennes, who was a watch standing officer on the USS Liberty asked me for a statement as
to what I knew of the transcripts of Israeil conversations and the ship. This is what I sent
him. I was quoted about this in the Chicago Tribune and Baltimore Sun on Monday. pl
(Wednesday, 19 July 2017) I have re-published this because people have written to me
saying that the transcripts were not published before the recent Haaretz article. pl
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
"Dear Jim
I was a student in the Military Intelligence Officer Advanced Course at Ft. Holabird,
Maryland (Baltimore) in 1967-1968. The course lasted about ten months. We students were
required to take several electives from a group offered and I took a course in Cryptology.
This was taught by people from the NSA School at nearby Ft. Meade. This course was taught in
the winter or early spring of 1967-1968. There were several sub-courses, one of which had to
do with voice intercepts. In the course of this, the instructor introduced a booklet produced
at Ft. Meade as material for the course. It contained various course materials. Among them
were transcripts of the translated intercepts of radio conversations between the Israeli
strike commander and his base before and during the attacks on USS Liberty. The instructor, a
retired cryptologic warrant officer or NCO identified the transcript as being of the Liberty
incident. It was also so marked in the booklet.
In the transcript, the flight leader spoke to his base to report that he had the ship in
view, that it was the same ship that he had been briefed on and that it was clearly marked
with the US flag. I think he said that the ship was displaying the US flag on an upper deck,
but my memory of that might be inexact. He asked for confirmation of his orders to attack the
ship and seemed reluctant (understandably) to attack the ship. He asked more than once and
was told to carry out his orders and attack the ship.
There was some further discussion of damage to the ship.
Extensive Interviews with USS Liberty Survivors' – Audio tapes obtained by award
winning British film maker Richard Belfield prove what every USS Liberty survivor, former
Secretary of State Dean Rusk, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas
Moorer have said all along: that Israel deliberately attacked an American ship. The plan was
to sink it, blame Egypt, and draw the US into the Six Day War on the Israeli side, but the
heroism of the Liberty crew in fighting ship damage, often while wounded, prevented it from
sinking with all hands. The tapes are featured in "The Day Israel Attacked America" by
film-maker Richard Belfield, whose previous production credits include National Geographic TV
and Discovery Channel."
" Despite these very difficult conditions, a member of the crew heroically managed to
jerry-rig a replacement antenna during the attempt, and by trying numerous different
frequencies, was able to evade the jamming "
It was Israeli stupidity that made it possible to send a message despite the jamming.
Israel had constructed missiles that homed in on the antennae and frequencies the Liberty
used.
However, the jamming emitters were so strong that the missiles flew in the direction of the
jammers.
So these had to be switched off after each firing of a missile.
In these pauses, the Liberty could inform Washington that it was an Israeli attack.
Then McNamara had to call back the two bombers with atomic bombs already on their way to
Cairo.
I'm racking my brain where I found this information, but no result, so far.
The Liberty incident is mentioned in many books, articles, and tv reports.
I have found that these "conspiracy theories" are usually quite simple to solve: verify
that there was a conspiracy verify that there was a cover-up verify that mass media is in the
cover-up
- verify that there was a conspiracy
- verify that there was a cover-up
- verify that mass media is in the cover-up
Then, who can make a cover-up in media?
- the mob, no - the CIA, can try but really
cannot do it long - the US President, like for instance JFK, Nixon, Clinton, no - the ones,
who control the media and suppress publications they do not like, yes
Then only, why?
- the assassination of the president succeeded, so something major in
the US politics changed - only one major thing changed
Solving these problems is easy, but the opponents behave as lawyers in kangaroo courts:
deny everything, play a moron, refer to judicial decision, start repeating childish mumble
like wackawackaconspeeracy.. and so on.
Indeed, as with MH17.
Literally overnight EU sanctions against Russia were possible.
And, as with Kennedy, what exactly happened, we do not know, and, I fear, will never
know.
On the afternoon of the day of the disaster prime minister Rutte phoned vice prime minister
Asscher, who was on vacation in the south of France.
Rutte asked him to call back on a landline 'so that Russia could not listen in'.
Fool Asscher told this in a tv show.
Nobody has asked Asscher what was so secret a few hours after the disaster that the
Russians should not know.
Why was the Diana 'accident' ?
I suppose to prevent that the future British king would have a Muslim stepfather.
Why was Anna Lyndh killed accidentally ?
She was to be the next Swedish prime minister, in favor of a EU economic boycott of
Israel
Why was the phoney Hess suicided ?
Had he talked WWII history would have to be rewritten.
Why was Kelly suicided ?
He knew quite well Blair's nonsense about the 45 minutes WMD's
I am disturbed and hurt that there is so much hatred towards the entire Jewish people in
the comment section.
Hi, Aaron. Just wanted to take a crack at providing you with an explanation of where I
think most people are coming from on the issue you've raised.
While I obviously don't pretend to speak for all goyim, I can speak for myself.
It's not that goyim are expressing "hatred towards the entire Jewish people" for who they
are. I think they are probably expressing their anger towards what organized Jewry has been,
and is, actually doing.
One case in point is the big push towards diversity led by the ADL. Are you familiar with
the following material they've posted on their website:
This is America.This is ADL. (NB – disingenuously referring to 9 pictures of
distinct-looking individuals)
The United States is a vibrant mix of cultures, races, religions and ethnic groups.
These differences enhance our nation's strength, beauty and collective wisdom. Together, we
all weave the fabric of our pluralistic society.
For over 100 years, the Anti-Defamation League has upheld this distinctly American
concept by leading the fight against anti-Semitism, bigotry and racism. Today, ADL is the
nation's premier human relations and civil rights organization.
If your company or organization wants to be recognized as a leader in the fight to
promote diversity, we invite you to become a member of ADL's Corporate Leadership Council
-- the nation's leading corporate diversity initiative. Additional co-branding, diversity
training and recognition benefits are available to Corporate Partners.
More and more people have come to realize that the ADL has been behind the push towards
diversity. They were the ones to actually coin the phrase "Diversity Is Our Strength."
Given the historically delicate situation of Diaspora Jewry living in host nations- i.e.,
the perennial risks of pogroms and other forms of repression – promoting a policy of
diversity, while damaging to the host nation, made eminent sense, from their perspective.
While this policy had been sustainable before the founding of Israel, it has since become
problematic. Let me explain. While there are still goyim who think the ADL is sincere in
their promotion of diversity, more and more are beginning to notice the blatant contradiction
in Diaspora Jewry's position: while they support the promotion of diversity in their host
nations, they fiercely defend the idea of an ethno-state in the ME. This is becoming an
untenable position in the eyes of many goyim – i.e., either one favours
multiculturalism or one favours mono-culturalism one cannot favour both at the same time.
So if we fast forward this film, what it comes down to is this: Diaspora Jewry must make
up their minds and choose one of the following options:
1) sincerely embrace multiculturalism for all nations by insisting that Israel open its
doors to all peoples of the world and let them become equal citizens; or
2) sincerely embrace mono-culturalism for all nations (and immediately cease and desist
from promoting diversity) by either assimilating or making Aliyah.
If they refuse to choose, because they wish to have their cake and eat it too, I'm afraid
this this film will not have a happy ending.
-- -- -- -- -
P.S. I, for one, am a big fan of true diversity and sincerely embrace mono-culturalism.
That's why I'm in favour of a rainbow of nations. Because, as the saying goes, "variety is
the spice of life."
What makes you think Assad is an idiot? He seems more intelligent than most politicians,
journalists, and politicians in Washington, D.C. (I cringe at having to name the place. It's
like speaking Orc-language in Rivendell.)
Millions of Americans, having been raised on TV propaganda, still have a screaming need to
feel superior to everyone – except perhaps the Israelis.
The government of the USA has marked Putin for destruction. But I think the rest of the
world is rooting for him, and the Russian people, to survive the American onslaught.
Hey uh, not to torque your cognitive dissonance, I know you have a lot of Democrat Party
revolutionary self-criticism sessions to go through, but when Putinhitlernazi takes over, we
get all our human rights, not just the niggardly hind-tit worthless US Bill of Rights that
DHS revoked. The Putinhitlernazi constitution prohibits the bad-faith phony rights the US
government screws us with. And the Putinhitlernazi constitution lets us go over the head of
the government to the international human rights authorities if we get no satisfaction at
home.
Article 17 of the Russian Constitution says rights and freedoms of person and citizen are
recognized and guaranteed pursuant to the generally recognized principles and norms of
international law. Ratified international treaties supersede any domestic legislation
stipulating otherwise. Article 18 states that rights and freedoms of the person and citizen
are directly applicable. That prohibits bad-faith tricks like the US pulls, declaring
"non-self executing" treaties, making legally-void reservations, declarations,
understandings, and provisos to screw you out of your rights. Article 46(3) gives citizens a
constitutional right to appeal to inter-State bodies for the protection of human rights and
freedoms if all available internal means of legal redress are exhausted.
So where can I sign up for the Putinhitlernazi waffle SS commandos? I wanna overthrow this
shitcrap crapshit USA and get my rights.
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Technically, this is flag desecration--but Olbermann has hate America for years.
Of course, this begs
an obvious question. Traitor to
what?
In an "America" which no longer has a definable culture,
language,
ethnos
, history, identity or rule of law, what is there left to betray?
The open celebration of what any other
generation would have called "treason" reveals how fully self-discrediting is the Russian "interference"
narrative.
John Harington
famously quipped: "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper,
none dare call it treason." The "Russian interference" narrative is false because the fact it can be loudly
denounced without being shut down for being the equivalent of "racist" or "xenophobic" shows Russia isn't
very powerful within our government and society.
In contrast, our government and media
seem to not only tolerate openly subversive or even hostile actions by foreign governments against the
United States, but celebrate them.
To criticize any of these countries, or
to suggest dual loyalty on the part of their supporters in this country, is political death. Of course, that
is because such dual loyalty is sufficiently strong that it is dangerous to broach the topic.
Indeed, for some in our Congress, dual
loyalty would be a massive improvement.
The only reason we can't call men like
these traitors is because there's no evidence they ever considered themselves Americans in any meaningful
way. What could be more ridiculous than considering
Chuck Schumer
"a fellow American" with some imaginary "common interest" he shares with me?
It's not double loyalty; that would be
giving Maher too much credit. And it's not treason, because Maher just isn't part of my people, by his own
standards. When Bill Maher refers to "us," I know that doesn't include me or my readers, and I know "the
Russians" hate me a lot less than he does.
Of course, there is a Trump associate
who has disturbing ties with a country doing just that. The main focus of the investigation into "Russian
collusion" is focusing on former
National Security Advisor Michael Flynn
. But Flynn's strongest ties to a foreign power seem to be to be
increasingly extreme and anti-European Turkey
of the autocrat Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Incredibly, Flynn
even wrote an editorial demanding more support for Turkey
on election day itself.
[
Our
ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support
, by Michael Flynn, The Hill, November 8, 2016]
As Turkey is quite openly facilitating
the migrant invasion of Europe and helping ISIS, there's a far better case to claim our NATO "ally" is a
threat than Russia. And yet Flynn's ties to Turkey go all but unmentioned outside evangelical Christian
websites [
Best-selling
author predicted Flynn's departure
, WND,
February 14, 2017]. The MSM is utterly
indifferent to Flynn's ties to Erdogan, even when they seem to be utterly dedicated to destroying General
Flynn personally.
Part of it simply could be the defense
industry and the
"Deep State"
need an enemy with a powerful conventional military to justify their wealth and power. As
it can't be China (that would be racist), Russia will do.
The real reason Russia is hated is
because it is a
media threat.
Russia is funding, or at least is tied to, several alternative media
sources such as
RT,
possibly
Wikileaks, Sputnik etc.
Contrary to MSM claims,
RT
is hardly friendly to the "Alt-Right," instead promoting progressive hosts such as Thom Hartmann. But there
is at least a slightly different point of view than the monolithic Narrative promoted on every late night
comedy show, network news broadcast, cable news broadcast, newspaper headline, and Establishment website [
The
Hard Road For Putin
,
by Gregory Hood,
Radix,
July 22, 2014].
There is also an undeniable,
and openly articulated
, sense of racial hatred expressed against Russians by Jewish members of the
media. Russians are hated both as a specific
ethnos
and as a white nation which does not seem to be
fully committed to "our values," which, as defined by Weimerica's journalist class, consists of various
forms of degeneracy. [
Welcome
to Weimerica
,
by Ryan Landry,
Daily Caller,
May 5, 2017].
John Winthrop's "City Upon A Hill"
we are not.
It's not just idiotic but obscene that
the same journalists gleefully involved in deconstructing the American identity now demand Middle America
rally round the flag out of some misplaced Cold War nostalgia. Needless to say,
these same journalists loved Russia back when it was Communist
and killing millions of Orthodox
Christians.
For immigration patriots, it's
especially obnoxious because the eradication of the American identity is a result of mass immigration. And
immigration is more important than every other issue for two reasons.
Immigration cuts to the heart of what a country is, of who you mean when you say "my people." Are
Americans still one people? Indeed, it's hard to claim America is even a geographic expression: referring
to the United States shorthand
as "America" is now designated as offensive
. The replacement of existing American citizens is
celebrated
by the media and
funded
by our own government.
And even citizenship means nothing, The
MSM constantly promotes
Jose Antonio Vargas
and his illegal friends or the protesters who parade under foreign flags not just as
"Americans" but as people somehow more American than us.
It's a strange definition of patriotism
where wanting peaceful relations with Russia is "treason" but banning the American flag in public schools
because it might offend Mexicans
is government policy
.
Naturally, Leftist intellectuals and the
reporters who parrot their ideas do have some vague idea of "American" identity -- that of a "proposition" or
"universal" nation which exists only to fight a global struggle for equality [
Superpowers
,
by James Kirkpatrick,
NPI,
June 24, 2013].
But can you betray a "proposition
nation?" How exactly does someone turn against a "universal nation?"
Actually, you can. If you are part of
the historic American nation, one of those European-Americans who actually think of this country as a real
nation with a real culture, you are in a strange way the only people left out of what it means to be a
modern "American." To consider America a particular place with a specific culture and history that not
everyone in the world can join simply by existing is treason to a "universal nation." Everyone in the world
can be an "American," except, you know, actual Americans.
This is why the MSM is insistent that
the governing philosophy of "
America
First
," which should simply be a truism for any rational American government, is instead
something subversive and dangerous
.
The hard truth is that "our" rulers
aren't the guardians of our sovereignty, but the greatest threat to our independence.
And this isn't an unprecedented
circumstance in history. During the Napoleonic occupation of Prussia, Carl von Clausewitz
violated
his king's orders to join the invasion of Russia and instead joined the Tsar's forces in the
hope of someday liberating his own country. After all, it wasn't Tsar Alexander that was occupying Prussia;
it was Napoleon. And in the end, he won, Prussia was restored, and eventually it was Prussia that would
unite all of Germany.
The same situation applies today. Today,
those actively pursuing the destruction of my people, culture and civilization aren't in Moscow. I don't
even concede those are enemies at all.
Our enemies are in New York, Washington,
and Los Angeles, in "our" own media companies, government bureaucracies and intelligence agencies.
The real America is under occupation –
and resistance to collaborators is patriotism to our country. We elected Donald Trump because we thought he
could help disrupt and perhaps even end that occupation so we could have a country once again.
The attempt to destroy the President has
ripped the mask off
the forces behind this occupation
. And we owe no loyalty to the collaborators who are trying to destroy
his administration, dispossess our people, and destroy our country.
Because in the end, "treason" to the
occupation is loyalty to America.
(Republished from
VDare
by permission of author or representative)
I concur completely. The Russians are not our enemies. The Russians have never been our enemies. The Soviet
behemoth may have harnessed the captive Russian bear, but, to paraphrase St. Paul, "Our battle was not with
flesh and blood Russians but with the the powers and principalities of international Jewry and its ugly and
deadly spawn, Judeo-Communism." Once it cast off those chains, Russia became a natural ally of the American
people, but not, of course, of the Atlanticist Zionist empire which the American deep state serves.
Orthodox Christian Russia and the United States had a true compatibility of interests, until the advent of
Roosevelt I and his war party of would be empire builders.
The "real" reason Russia is hated is because it has rejected Communism, and it does not
cater to gays.
Cummunist Russia had been , since the thirties, mecca and utopia for the US leftists and
they are now out of their collective mind because their vision of world Marxism with Russia
running the show have been obliterated by the likes of the anti-communist VP.
The Democrats were convinced that they had the election in the bag , and therefore the
accomplishment of eternal one-party government. They would have legalized the illegals as a
gigantic voting block,
and the huge upset dealt to them by the deplorables has driven them off the cliff and into
total
madness.
"Media threat" is such a vague non-descript concept that I don't have the energy or patience
to even elaborate thereon.
Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro
jazz artist.
PS off subject but relevant : Russia has a thriving Jazz scene, and the are some monster
American-style Jazz players coming out of Russia.
Cummunist Russia had been , since the thirties, mecca and utopia for the US leftists and
they are now out of their collective mind because their vision of world Marxism with Russia
running the show
I don't see any evidence that those who call themselves the Left in the US today have any
enthusiasm at all for Marxism. They serve the interests of global capitalism. The Russians are
hated because they don't want to bow down before global capitalism and international bankers,
and because Russia refuses to join in the persecution of Christians. The Russians aren't
communists any more but they (quite rightly) recognise that global capitalism is every bit as
evil as marxism ever was, if not more so.
I haven't noticed any of these so-called leftists in the modern US calling for the
dictatorship of the proletariat. Have you?
It's amazing how many Americans on the right still subscribe to paranoid Cold War delusions
about global Marxism.
The NeoCons are Trotsyists pretending to be Conservatives
I hear this all the time. I know that many Trotskyists morphed into neocons but that's not
quite the same as saying that Trotskyists are neocons are identical. Trotsky may have been a
heretical communist but he was still a communist. Are neocons actual communists? In what way
are they actual communists?
"I don't see any evidence that those who call themselves the Left in the US today have any
enthusiasm at all for Marxism. They serve the interests of global capitalism. The Russians
are hated because they don't want to bow down before global capitalism and international
bankers, and because Russia refuses to join in the persecution of Christians."
Agree.
We have enemies within and enemies without. Regarding our enemies without: the most dangerous
are the Islamic supremacists, and China. The Chinese are a more traditional challenge, and
hence more manageable. The Russians are a natural ally- and perhaps a necessary ally- against
both of these threats. A traditional geopolitical analysis suggests that we always side with
the weaker party- in this case the Russians- against rising/hegemonic states in Eurasia. So
our foreign policy is out of joint. Why our foreign policy class insists upon supporting this
policy is an interesting question- the policy is clearly in error.
I don't agree with everything you say, but thanks for your thoughts on this. If that is
what the ADL is supporting- and I have no reason to doubt you- then they have to be opposed
vigorously. On a lighter note, assimilated Jewish Americans never call our Christian brethren
'goyim' anymore- it might be a problem, considering that 60% of us, including yours truly,
have married outside our religion of birth.
I appreciate the sympathy. The whole situation is a complete mess and getting worse. On a
historical note, a biography just came out about Ernst Kantorowicz, a Jewish- German
medievalist. You might find it interesting. His life was also discussed in a book about the
great medievalists of the 20th Century- 'Medieval Lives', by Cantor. It's a fascinating book.
Kantorowicz was a wealthy, assimilated Jewish- German who grew up with the Prussian upper
class. He was a German officer in World War I, and after the war joined the paramilitary-
right Freikorps and fought against the Communists inside Germany. As a medievalist, he was a
romantic- nationalist associated with a circle of poets and scholars, and friends with Percy
Ernst Schramm, who along with Kantorowicz was one of the great medievalists of his
generation. Then the Nazis took power. Kantorowicz was purged from academic life. Some of his
friends protected him as best they could, while others sided with the Nazis. He got out,
barely, in 1938 and ended up at Berkeley, of all places, and the Institute for Advanced
Study. His friend Schramm became the official historian of the Wehrmacht in WWII, and
observed Hitler at first hand. After the war Schramm turned to Kantorowicz for help in
reentering official, academic life (Kantorowicz helped.) The whole story is a tragic metaphor
for the tragedy of the patriotic, assimilated- nationalist German Jews.
oh btw there was an amusing codicil to the Kantorowicz story. At Berkeley in the
50′s he and the other faculty were called to take an oath before some Govt Commission
that they were not communists. Kantorowicz as a matter of principal refused to take the oath,
since he believed in academic liberty, and was dismissed. In his explanation for his refusal
he stated something to the effect that he was not a communist- in fact, he had shot a bunch
in his youth!- but he wouldn't take the oath.
"Naturally, however, people react with anger when Jews engage in anti-European genocidal
advocacy such as this."
False characterization.
"I do understand your feelings and sympathize with you, but it is surely wrong to infer
that because there is push back against what some Jews do, this is evidence of irrational
hatred. It is not."
It is evidence of irrational hatred due to a belief that Jews overall engage in the
purposeful destruction of cultures. There is the assumption that
diversity/multi-culturalism/tolerance is the bane of existence, that the Jewish propaganda
machine serves as an ethnic and societal meat grinder. Unwitting people are being brainwashed
into promoting these concepts. Except you are conveniently discounting this important fact
human beings have free will. Increasing numbers of people have made decisions of their own
accord about these issues. They embrace these philosophies for a host of reasons. You are a
snake oil salesman of how Cultural Marxism allegedly is murdering our youth. Let us assume
that this Jewish menace would be neutralized. Do you not believe there would be some other
group filling in for that void through their own strategies of indoctrination and mind
control? Perhaps the philosophies you tout would then be force fed down the throats of the
masses.
"According to Corvy, there's something wrong with those who are for the survival of their
own kith and kin. In fact, being against extinction of your own people is how Corvy seems to
define hate speech and racism."
That's not what I stated. I'm not a fan shall we say of you denigrating wholesale a
particular group and characterizing that same group of being a proponent of genocide. You
have every liberty to protect "your own kind", just as those individuals from "your own kind"
have the freedom to question the reasons why you want those protections as well as how those
protections are put in place. Furthermore, don't you realize there is no such thing as
"racism" and "hate speech"? It's a ruse.
"The only investigation worth the name was led by Adm. Moorer, who had been Chairman of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Among the findings announced by the commission on October
2003:
" Unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on the USS Liberty bridge, and fired
30mm cannon and rockets into the ship; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over
the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes.
" The torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but machine-gunning of
Liberty's firefighters and stretcher-bearers. The Israeli torpedo boats later returned to
machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty's life rafts that had been lowered into the
water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded."
"Shortly before he died in February 2004, Adm. Moorer strongly appealed for the truth to be
brought out and pointed directly at what he saw as the main obstacle: " I've never seen a
President stand up to Israel. If the American people understood what a grip these people have
on our government, they would rise up in arms." Echoing Moorer, former U.S. Ambassador
Edward Peck, who served many years in the Middle East, condemned Washington's attitude toward
Israel as "obsequious, unctuous subservience at the cost of the lives and morale of our own
service members and their families"
That makes no difference, since being jewish is ultimately a racial category not a
religious one. You don't have to take my word for it, you can research how the state of
Israel defines what a jew is, and it is not on religious grounds. In fact they use the
Nuremberg race acts that defined what a jew was as their own criteria, obviously they will
claim they are using it for those fleeing oppression, but anyone who is sincere about this
knows it is because the Nuremberg race acts were correct in their definitions.
Bureaucracies, governmental or academic, hate a non-conformist. I know. I worked (briefly)
for three governments and also held academic appointments at three universities, the last, a
tenure-track appointment, that I abandoned after three days.
The problem for all groups in a multi-cultural society is that group interests are liable
to conflict and thus generate antagonisms that often have a racial or religious aspect. For
Jews, it is worse than for most because they are adherents, or associates by descent, of a
religion that is fundamentally racist. Yahweh, after all, is the God of the Jews, and urges
the Jews to go forth, multiply and rule over the nations of the Earth.
Thus, when Jews succeed as they have done in large numbers in America in gaining positions
of great wealth and power, and especially when they exercise that power for specifically
Jewish interests such as the defense of the state of Israel, they naturally raise feelings of
suspicion, fear and antagonism, as would say a bunch of Russian nationalists if they
ran much
of Hollywood , were among the
principal peddlers of porn in America , had
massive media influence , and held many seats in Congress and used their financial clout
to determine
who holds many of the other seats in Congress .
None of this, of course, alters the fact that it may at times seem tough being a Jew and
an American-firster.
WHY did the Israeli leadership collectively decide to attack the USS Liberty spy ship
and risk serious damage to its relationship with its only superpower supporter? What did the
Israelis know about the Liberty's activities? Why was this a matter of top-level national
importance to Israel?
Somehow, endless repetition of the USS Liberty story never gets around to addressing the
crucial WHY of the operation.
Without addressing the WHY, any account of the attack itself is little more than beating
around the bush. Also, it is remarkable that no consistent U.S. version of the incident has
evolved despite several generations of military and secret service officials transitioning to
the relative safety and anonymity of retirement since then.
One conventional fake answer can easily be disposed off – it is sometimes claimed
that the Israelis hoped to blame the sinking of the Liberty on Egypt, and cause damage to
Egypt's relationship with the U.S. This version is wholly untenable.
First, an air attack would have been plainly visible on military radar across the Red Sea.
Second, then as now, the U.S. had extensive secret service contacts throughout the Egyptian
government. An Egyptian air attack on the USS Liberty would most likely have leaked in
advance, and certainly within hours of a putative Egyptian attack which by definition would
have to involved hundreds of individuals to propose, prepare and implement.
"Somehow, endless repetition of the USS Liberty story never gets around to addressing the
crucial WHY of the operation."
First, there is no "endless repetition of the USS Liberty story" by MSM: this story has
been hushed for many years. Second, apart from disparaging the survivors of USSLiberty, you
suggest no viable explanation to the murderous attack.
The USS Liberty story emphasizes inordinate influence of Israel-firsters on the US policies
abroad and domestically. Here is a excerpt from a speech of Mr. Dershowitz (the Idiot):
"People write a book called the Israel lobby and complain that AIPAC [American Israel Public
Affairs Committee] is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. My response to that is,
that's not good enough. We should be the most powerful lobby in Washington. . . . We are
entitled to use our power. We have contributed disproportionately to the success of this
country. . . . We are a very influential community. We deserve our influence."
"Israel Lobby Pays the Political Piper:" https://consortiumnews.com/2017/05/21/israel-lobby-pays-the-political-piper/
Don't you see how the obnoxious kind – that makes the Lobby, ADL, powerful warmongers
among the Friends of Israel and such – have been destroying the true safe home for
Jewry in the US and EU?
First, there is no "endless repetition of the USS Liberty story" by MSM: this story has
been hushed for many years.
yep
also as we all know, the attack on the USS Liberty was intended as a false flag attack to
be blamed on Egypt in order to get America to fight Israel's wars for them.
It is the well-known modus operendi of cowards. Commit crimes and blame them on people you
don't like, so that those people will be punished for it. It happens all the time in America
with hate "crime" hoaxes. The most egregious example of Israeli's treachery and endemic
cowardice was the false flag attack on 9/11 – that is being used even today to get
Americans to mass-murder people Israel doesn't like and reduce entire nations and regions
into smoking ashes.
"and it turned out that traditional English cultural notions in politics, economics and
religion supplied much of the "magic sauce" that enabled the American experiment to take the
world forward as and when it did."
You do realize that those traditions were a result of the combined efforts of the Britons,
the Picts, the Romans, and the Anglo-Saxon tribes. Moreover, this "American experiment" was
the product of the English, Greek, and Roman ways of governance, as well as the philosophies
of the Enlightenment.
"English traditions achieved unrivaled primacy due to an innate sense of tolerance,
restraint, privacy and secularism paired with traditional respect for organically grown
institutions balanced by distrust of fads and "philosophies."
Thank you for your opinion on this matter.
"One of the advantages of the English language is that the language itself does not allow
a person to identify his profession by saying "I am a philosopher.""
The English language does not prohibit anyone from indicating that their profession is a
"philosopher", considering if a person graduates from university with a doctoral degree in
philosophy and instructs students in this field.
"Israel and Saudi Arabia have always been enemies of secular, Arab nationalist states and
federations. Whether an Arab state is Nasserist, Ba'athist, socialist, Marxist-Leninist or in
the case of Gaddafi's Libya a practitioner of the post-Nassierist Third Political Theory:
Israel and Saudi Arabia have sought to and in large part have succeeded, with western help,
at destroying such states.
Unlike Israel's Apartheid military state and Saudi Arabia's human rights free monarchy, the
aforementioned Arab styles of government are worthy of the word modern. These are countries
which had progressive mixed economies, had secular governments and societies, had full
constitutional rights for religious and ethnic minorities, they championed women's rights and
engaged in mass literacy programmes and infrastructural projects. ..
Syria is the last secular Arab Ba'athist state in the world. Unlike in Israel, minorities
have full constitutional rights and unlike in Saudi Arabia, all religions are tolerated. In
Syria, women can act, speak and dress as they wish. Syria's independence has in the past
thwarted Israel's ambition to annex Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt and additional parts of
Syria itself (Israel still occupies Syria's Golan Heights).
Syria remains strongly independent and refuses to surrender its values. Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies in the material and psychological war against secular,
modern Arab countries. It is a war which the United States has been fighting on behalf of
Riyadh and Tel Aviv for decades ."
The basic question – which remains unaddressed in the response – is very
simply:
What was the Israeli leadership trying to do by launching a combined airborne and
naval attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in 1967?
You mention the Lavon affair in 1954. This scandal arose out of an attempted Israeli
false-flag operation in Egypt that went spectacularly wrong.
The Suez Crisis in 1956 was another major disaster for Israel, the UK and France.
This experience will have informed Israeli government thinking in 1967.
Moreover, as noted in the original post, radar technology at the time, as well simple
visual identification of the attacking jet fighters and vessels precluded even a remote
possibility of dressing up the attack as having been perpetrated by Egypt.
Further, the U.S. had plenty of intelligence assets in both Egypt and Israel to find out
what actually happened to the USS Liberty within hours. An operation of this magnitude
involves at a minimum hundreds of people across different countries and cannot be kept
completely secret.
The Lavon affair was intended to involve small anonymous attacks against random civilian
targets, but failed to achieve this relatively modest objective.
Are we now to believe that the Israelis thought they could pull off a massive combined
air-sea attack against a United States vessel on the high seas (where radar and visual
observation is unobstructed) and blame it on Egypt? The very idea is insane.
So why did Israel resort to this desperate gamble?
Barring a collective bout of insanity throughout Israel's civilian and military
leadership, the most likely explanation is that the USS Liberty itself was seen as a major
and indeed mortal threat to Israel, to such an extent that the Israeli leadership decided to
risk a major rift with the U.S. to eliminate the threat.
How would the USS Liberty itself be a threat? Most likely by compiling high-grade military
intelligence and passing it to Egypt and the other Arab nations. This could have occurred
either pursuant to official directives from the top of the U.S. hierarchy, or perhaps because
the local command went rogue.
as we all know, the attack on the USS Liberty was intended as a false flag attack to be
blamed on Egypt in order to get America to fight Israel's wars for them
This suggestion at least makes logical sense.
However, the idea that Israel's entire senior leadership seriously thought they could pin
a combined air/sea attack in the middle of the Red Sea on Egypt is quite outlandish,
as explained in a separate post above. Given the circumstances, the Israelis must have KNOWN
100% that the attack would be traced back to them within hours at the latest.
In fact, nobody seems to suggest that the U.S. was ACTUALLY DECEIVED for even a split
second about who launched the attack.
Reading between the lines of contemporary and later accounts, it appears that Israel took
IMMEDIATE action to mitigate the fall-out in DC. This again is inconsistent with trying to
pin it on Egypt.
(1) I said that "reading between the lines," one might conclude that Israel IMMEDIATELY
set about containing the fall-out in Washington. Of course, such efforts (if they indeed took
place) would be hugely embarrassing to Israel and would be kept top secret even years
later.
(2) You have still not given us any real theory of WHY Israel would launch a combined
air/sea attack on the USS Liberty.
The idea that Israel was at this precise moment in the middle of the Six Day War
trying to pin the blame on Egypt does not hold water as explained in several posts above.
CONCLUSION: The best working theory at present is that the USS Liberty was providing
high-grade intelligence to the Arab countries fighting Israel in the Six Day War.
If you have a better explanation consistent with the known facts, including the use of
radar by the USS Liberty and airborne units in the area please share it here.
QUESTION: What is known about LBJ's stated and actual positions vis-a-vis Israel, Egypt,
other Arab countries? Post-retirement contacts by LBJ and his family?
as compared to an artificial state that has been squeezing the native population and
importing the (allegedly) ethnically-proper economic migrants?
You seem have peculiar explanations to why such formerly functioning states as Iraq, Libya,
and Syria should better cease to exist (along with the USSLiberty staff). According to your
logic, the ongoing Syrian slaughter is a good deed because it allows for weeding out the
excess of population there. The weeding out also works as a rationale for grabbing the Syrian
natural resources by the "most moral" apartheid state.
And please don't try at lecturing the readers on Israel's virtues vs the US perfidy,
considering the history of betrayal of the US by Israel-firsters. Pollard and more, the
despicable PNAC crowd and the ziocons' obnoxious and stupid global games against
ethnically-wrong humanity. At the head of the current mess is the Israel-occupied Congress,
"conditioned" for guiding the hapless host in a desired direction.
Given the circumstances, the Israelis must have KNOWN 100% that the attack would be
traced back to them within hours at the latest.
then why did they machine gun the lifeboats, eh?
that in itself is a war crime you know, and the ONLY reason they would have done it is to
sink the ship with ALL hands. Thereby leaving no survivors to expose the treachery.
and they had the Johnson regime and traitor McNamara on board with their cowardly,
murderous treason.
What was the U.S. Liberty doing in the Red Sea in 1967?
As a U.S. citizen, I would quite like to know, even at this late stage, what our military
forces were doing far from Chesapeake Bay. Perhaps the answer gives a hint as to what is
happening now.
Since you seem obsessed about the "sovereignty" of former Ottoman territories, please also
explain how exactly the USS Liberty's presence was supposed to assist the "sovereignty" of
Cis-Jordan (i.e. the current sovereign state of Israel).
if you (and Annamaria) don't mind, I'll address this..
What was the U.S. Liberty doing in the Red Sea in 1967?
there was a war going on between a US ally and a nation of strategic importance to the US-
Israel and Egypt. The USS Liberty was a NSA intelligence ship. It was there to monitor what
was going on. Duh.
explain how exactly the USS Liberty's presence was supposed to assist the "sovereignty"
of Cis-Jordan (i.e. the current sovereign state of Israel).
unless you an admiral in the US Navy at the time, no one knows for sure. But a lot of
people have speculated that the USS Liberty was sent by the Johnson regime to get sunk by
Israel and be used as a false flag to take America into war against Egypt.
We already know for a fact that jets were scrambled to assist the USS Liberty and were
called back and ordered not to assist by Johnson through Secretary of State McNamara. And not
once, but twice.
So obviously Johnson wanted her sunk. Whether or not the ship was sent there for that
purpose, or whether Johnson simply decided to let the Israelis sink her once he heard about
it, we'll likely never know.
"As Israel controls US Middle East policy, Israel uses its control to have Washington
eliminate obstacles to Israel's expansion. So far Israel has achieved the overthrow of Saddam
Hussein's government and chaos in Iraq, Washington's war on Syria, and Washington's
demonization of Iran in the hope that sufficient demonization will justify war."
So obviously Johnson wanted her sunk. Whether or not the ship was sent there for that
purpose, or whether Johnson simply decided to let the Israelis sink her once he heard about
it, we'll likely never know.
This interpretation is at least internally consistent. It is also consistent with my
earlier observation that nobody could seriously claim that the U.S. was ACTUALLY DECEIVED for
even a split second about who launched the attack.
Putting the known factors together, we are left with two viable hypotheses as to the
Israelis' reason for sinking the USS Liberty:
(1) To eliminate a mortal threat to Israel's national security in a time of war, e.g.
because the USS Liberty was feeding intelligence information to Egypt and the Arabs.
(2) As an intentional false flag operation, with express (or at least hinted) support
from the Pentagon for the purpose of publicly "justifying" a U.S. war against Egypt.
This would necessarily mean that the sailors and staff on the USS Liberty were
intentionally betrayed and sacrificed by Johnson and McNamara.
In either case, the Israeli leadership would have been painfully aware that it could NOT
mislead the U.S. as to its authorship of the attack, whatever the Pentagon or Israel might
later say in public later.
"Jet aircrafts came in firing and strafing our ship," he said. "Within minutes they took
out hundreds of antennae and all of our .450-caliber machine guns. We were
defenseless."
But all those aboard were not without hope. Utilizing true American ingenuity and never
giving up their fighting spirit, Tourney described a miraculous effort.
"About half-an-hour into the attack," he said, "one of our men stretched a long wire so
that we could transmit a message to the Sixth Fleet: 'Under Attack by Unmarked Fighters.
Send Help.' A number of ships received this SOS, and soon Capt. Joseph Tully of the USS
Saratoga ordered planes to rescue us."
However, in an act that goes well beyond betrayal into the realm of full-fledged
treason, Tourney laid out how Liberty became a ship without a country.
"Defense Secretary Robert McNamara contacted the Saratoga and recalled the fighters,
telling them not to aid our ship," he said. "But, showing true courage, Tully re-launched
the jets, without authorization . . . After the second set of fighter jets were dispatched,
the president of the United States -- Lyndon Johnson -- personally recalled them," said
Tourney.
Tourney says Johnson told Tully: "I don't give a [expletive] if that ship goes to the
bottom and every sailor is lost. We will not embarrass our ally, Israel."
A day or two later as Liberty limped toward a port in Malta, Adm. Isaac Kidd assembled
the survivors in small groups and, after removing his stars, demanded to know what
occurred.
After learning the truth, a red-faced Kidd pinned his stars back on his uniform and
said, "If any of you ever repeat a word, I'll make sure you end up in the penitentiary, or
worse," Tourney said.
English traditions achieved unrivaled primacy due to an innate sense of tolerance,
restraint, privacy and secularism
It may have escaped you that my earlier post referred to the time of the American
Revolution, and in particular to sophisticated British traditions and conventions as they
were perceived by the educated class in the colonies.
The sad decline of Britain in the modern era, and its more colorful history in earlier
ages, are neither here nor there for these purposes.
says:
May 21, 2017 at 2:30 am GMT 200 Words While the "progressives" badmouth bad-bad russkies
for "destroying our democracy," an obscene spectacle of persecution of the most important
whistleblower of our times continues.
"Getting Assange: the Untold Story," by JOHN PILGER
"Hillary Clinton, the destroyer of Libya and, as WikiLeaks revealed last year, the secret
supporter and personal beneficiary of forces underwriting ISIS, proposed, "Can't we just drone
this guy." According to Australian diplomatic cables, Washington's bid to get Assange is
"unprecedented in scale and nature." In Alexandria, Virginia, a secret grand jury has sought
for almost seven years to contrive a crime for which Assange can be prosecuted. Assange's
ability to defend himself in such a Kafkaesque world has been severely limited by the US
declaring his case a state secret. In 2015, a federal court in Washington blocked the release
of all information about the "national security" investigation against WikiLeaks, because it
was "active and ongoing" and would harm the "pending prosecution" of Assange. The judge,
Barbara J. Rothstein, said it was necessary to show "appropriate deference to the executive in
matters of national security." This is a kangaroo court."
The Saker publishes some interesting news re the MH17 tragedy:
"SBU [Security Service of Ukraine] orders to destroy all evidence of the conducted special
operation MH17″
http://thesaker.is/sbu-orders-to-destroy-all-evidence-of-the-conducted-special-operation-mh17/
by Scott Humor: " If you want to know my opinion that hasn't changed since 2014. The Boeing
flight MH17 was shot down by the Ukrainian air force fighter jets, but not necessarily
piloted by Ukrainian pilots. It was a CIA and NATO operation to frame Russia. Most likely the
Dutch government was a part of this operation. Now, they are trying to hang all the dogs on
Waltzman -Poroshenko, because neither the Dutch monarchs, nor the CIA would fancy to be
implicated in this crime."
"... For Mattis to lament during a speech at a naval college last week that America's moral authority is being eroded by Putin is a symptom of the delusional official thinking infesting Washington. ..."
"... Mattis told his audience: "Putin aims to diminish the appeal of the western democratic model and attempts to undermine America's moral authority." He added that the Russian leader's "actions are designed not to challenge our arms at this point but to undercut and compromise our belief in our ideals." ..."
"... It is classic "in denial" ..."
"... "What a powerful delusion Mattis and Western leaders like him are encumbered with," ..."
"... "The US undercuts and compromises its own avowed beliefs and ideals because it has lost any moral integrity that it might have feasibly pretended to have due to decades of its own criminal foreign conduct." ..."
"... "America's so-called moral authority is the free pass it gives itself to topple democracy in Ukraine, replacing it with neo-Nazis; it has turned economically prosperous Libya into a wasteland, after murdering its leader Muammar Gaddafi; it funds and openly sponsors the MKO terror group in Iran for regime change in Tehran; and it is neck deep in fueling the Saudi coalition's genocidal war in Yemen." ..."
"... Despite this litany of criminality committed by the US with the acquiescence of European allies, Washington, says Martin, "preaches a bizarre doctrine of 'exceptionalism' and somehow arrogates a moral right to dominate the world. This is the fruit of the diseased minds of sociopaths." ..."
Jun 20, 2018, RT Op-ed The statements, views and opinions expressed
in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
It's parallel
universe time when US Pentagon chief James 'Mad Dog' Mattis complains that America's "moral
authority" is being undermined by others – specifically Russian leader Vladimir Putin.
This is the ex-Marine general who gained his ruthless reputation from when illegally occupying
US troops razed the
Iraqi city of Fallujah in the 2004-2005 using "shake and bake" bombardment of
inhabitants with banned white phosphorus incendiaries.
A repeat of those war crimes happened again last year under Mattis' watch as Pentagon chief
when US warplanes obliterated the Syrian city of Raqqa, killing thousands of civilians. Even
the pro-US Human Rights Watch
abhorred the repeated use of white phosphorus during that campaign to "liberate"
Raqqa, supposedly from jihadists.
These are but two examples from dense archives of US war crimes committed over several
decades, from its illegal intervention in Syria to Libya, from Iraq to Vietnam, back to the
Korean War in the early 1950s when American carpet bombing killed millions of innocent
civilians.
For Mattis to
lament during a speech at a naval college last week that America's moral authority is being
eroded by Putin is a symptom of the delusional official thinking infesting
Washington.
According to Mattis, the problem of America's diminishing global reputation has
nothing to do with US misconduct – even though the evidence is replete to prove that
systematic misconduct. No, the problem, according to him, is that Russia's Putin is somehow
sneakily undermining Washington's moral authority.
Mattis told his audience: "Putin aims to diminish the appeal of the western democratic
model and attempts to undermine America's moral authority." He added that the Russian leader's
"actions are designed not to challenge our arms at this point but to undercut and compromise
our belief in our ideals."
The US Secretary of Defense doesn't elaborate on how he thinks Russia is achieving this
dastardly plot to demean America. It is simply asserted as fact. This has been a theme recycled
over and over by officials in Washington and Brussels, other Western government leaders and of
course NATO and its affiliated think-tanks. All of which has been dutifully peddled by Western
news media.
It is classic "in denial" thinking. The general loss of legitimacy and
authority by Western governments is supposedly nothing to do with their own inherent failures
and transgressions, from bankrupt austerity economics, to deteriorating social conditions, to
illegal US-led wars and the repercussions of blowback terrorism and mass migration of refugees.
Oh no. What the ruling elites are trying to do is shift the blame from their own culpability
on to others, principally Russia. American political analyst Randy Martin says that Mattis'
latest remarks show a form of collective delusion among Western political establishments and
their aligned mainstream news media.
"What a powerful delusion Mattis and Western leaders like him are encumbered with,"
says Martin. "The US undercuts and compromises its own avowed beliefs and ideals because it
has lost any moral integrity that it might have feasibly pretended to have due to decades of
its own criminal foreign conduct."
The analyst added: "America's so-called moral authority is the free pass it gives itself
to topple democracy in Ukraine, replacing it with neo-Nazis; it has turned economically
prosperous Libya into a wasteland, after murdering its leader Muammar Gaddafi; it funds and
openly sponsors the MKO terror group in Iran for regime change in Tehran; and it is neck deep
in fueling the Saudi coalition's genocidal war in Yemen."
Despite this litany of criminality committed by the US with the acquiescence of European
allies, Washington, says Martin, "preaches a bizarre doctrine of 'exceptionalism' and somehow
arrogates a moral right to dominate the world. This is the fruit of the diseased minds of
sociopaths."
This week, three headline-making issues speak volumes about America's declining moral
authority.
... ... ...
The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
Finian Cunningham (born 1963) has written extensively on international affairs, with
articles published in several languages. Originally from Belfast, Northern Ireland, he is a
Master's graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal
Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. For
over 20 years he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organizations, including
The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent. Now a freelance journalist based in East Africa, his
columns appear on RT, Sputnik, Strategic Culture Foundation and Press TV.
"... C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing (USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org . ..."
I don't know about you, but I'm getting a little tired of waiting for the Hitlerian
nightmare that the corporate media promised us was coming back in 2016. Frankly, I'm beginning
to suspect that all their apocalyptic pronouncements were just parts of some elaborate
cocktease. I mean, here we are, a year and half into the reign of the Trumpian Reich, and,
well, where are all the concentration camps, the SS units with their death's head insignia, the
Riefenstahlian parades and rallies? Trump hasn't even banned the Democratic Party, or annexed
Canada, or invaded Mexico, or made anybody wear color-coded armbands. If he doesn't start
Hitlering relatively soon, the oracles of the corporate media are going to have some serious
explaining to do.
I don't think I'm overreacting. After all, back in 2016, The Guardian promised us an
"
Age of Darkness ," and the end of "civilized order" as we know it. "
Globalization is dead, and white supremacy has triumphed ," one of its more hysterical
pundits proclaimed. "
Donald Trump is actually a fascist ," Michael Kinsley assured us in The Washington
Post . Charles Blow of The New York Times warned that Trump's election was "the
beginning of the end," the descent of the republic into "
racial Orwellianism ," whatever that's supposed to mean. Thomas Friedman called it "
a moral 911 ." Paul Krugman predicted nothing short of " a global
recession with no end in sight ." Jonathan Chait, after heroically vowing not to flee the
country with his terrified family, but to stay and fight to the bitter end, guaranteed us that
the "monster," Trump, would "
shake the republic to its foundations ."
Perhaps my seismometer is on the fritz, but I haven't detected much foundation shaking. Yes,
Trump repulses me, personally. I do not like the man. I never have. I was based in New York for
fifteen years, in the 1990s and early 2000s, before he became a game show host, when he was
still just a
shady real estate mogul with alleged ties to organized crime who occasionally appeared on
Wrestlemania and just generally went about the city making a narcissistic ass of himself
and plastering his gold-plated name onto everything. So I have no illusions about his character
the man is an inveterate snake oil salesman with the moral compass of a Tijuana pimp. All I'm
saying is, we were promised Hitler, or Mussolini at the very least, and it seems like all we're
getting so far is just regular old narcissistic Donald Trump.
Of course, he could just be laying low and holding back on the Hitler stuff as part of the
evil master plan personally developed by Vladimir Putin to systematically brainwash Americans
(with state-of-the-art mind-control Facebook ads) into embracing all-out National Socialism and
marching through the streets in full Nazi regalia singing Amerika Über Alles at which
point Trump will rip off his mask, reveal his true Hitlerian face, Steve Bannon will suddenly
reappear in the turret of an M1 Abrams tank at the head of a division of rebel infantry flying
giant Confederate flags as they hideously rumble down Pennsylvania Avenue, and the Putin-Nazi
Holocaust will begin.
Or maybe the extremely serious, Pulitzer Prize-winning political pundit David Leonhardt is
onto something. In
a prominent op-ed in The New York Times , he wonders if Putin's "secret plan" is for
Trump to destroy "the Atlantic alliance" by arriving late for the G7 meeting and "picking
fights over artificial issues," not to mention insulting the Canadian prime minister, which, it
doesn't get much more hair-raising than that. OK, I know you're probably thinking that sounds
like the hopelessly paranoid jabber of some conspiracy theorist nut on YouTube, but we're
talking The New York Times here, folks, and a bona fide "respectable pundit" who wrote a
whole 15,000-word ebook and has been interviewed by Stephen Colbert, among his many other
distinguished accomplishments.
Examined in the context of other blatantly loony theories the corporate media are currently
attempting to ram down our throats, Leonhardt's theory kind of makes sense. The Guardian
, another very serious newspaper, in addition to covering the repercussions of its coverage of
Corbyn's Nazi Death
Cult , is hot on the trail of the soon-to-be-infamous Putin-Banks-Brexit
Connection . According to "documents seen by The Observer ," a Guardian
sister publication, Arron Banks, a "Brexit bankroller," allegedly
had brunch with the Russian ambassador three times , instead of just once, as he had
claimed. He was also allegedly offered a piece of some shady gold deal in exchange for the
number of someone on Trump transition team, which for some reason it was otherwise impossible
to obtain. Or whatever. It doesn't really matter what happened. The point is, Putin
orchestrated the Brexit, presumably as part of his secret plan to destabilize the Atlantic
alliance, and then blackmailed Trump into running for president with
that "pee-tape" the Democrats paid a former British spook to allege exists .
Paul Krugman of The New York Times concurs. In
his latest extremely serious piece of totally respectable grown-up opinionating , he once
again calls Trump "a quisling" (he's developed a fondness for this term, which goes over well
with New York Times readers) and reiterates that Trump is "a de facto foreign agent" and
that "America as we know it is finished." Tragically, according to Krugman, the FBI, CIA, and
other Guardians of Western Democracy are utterly powerless to deal with this quisling, and his
evil puppet master, Putin, because it turns out the entire Republican Party is "hopelessly,
irredeemably corrupt." Yes, it appears the only chance we have to save the world from
Trumpzilla, and imminent Putin-Nazi Holocaust, is to elect a buttload of Democrats to office,
and eventually an Obama-like Democratic President, so they can launch an all-out thermonuclear
war against Russia and North Korea that'll teach these Putin-Nazis to screw around with our
trade agreements!
Oh, and also, we need to cancel the Brexit, and do away with all these "populist" movements
that Putin has fomented all over Europe. For example,
according to billionaire George Soros , the refugee-hating League in Italy is likely
another Putin-backed front, part of his scheme to "dominate the West." One can only assume that
the AfD, the FPÖ, Rassemblement National, and every other extreme-Right party exploiting
people's rage and fear in Europe are parts of Putin's grand conspiracy (except, of course, for
the Ukrainian Nazis the
Western alliance put into power ). Soros, like billionaire Bruce Wayne before him, tired of
waiting for the West to strike back, is taking matters into his own hands. Not only has he been
tirelessly laboring to prevent Donald Trump from "
destroying the world ," now
he's financing "Best for Britain," a campaign to de-brainwash the British people, who,
obviously, only voted for Brexit because they'd been brainwashed by the Putin-Nazis.
I'm not sure how much more bizarre things can get. This level of bull goose loony paranoia,
media-generated mass hysteria, and mindless conformity would be hysterically funny if it
weren't so fucking horrifying in terms of what it says about millions of Westerners, who are
apparently prepared to believe almost anything the authorities tell them, no matter how nuts.
That famous Voltaire quote comes to mind "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make
you commit atrocities," he wrote. Another, more disturbing way of looking at it is, people
willing to believe absurdities, to switch off their critical thinking faculties in order to
conform to an official narrative as blatantly ridiculous as the Putin-Nazi narrative, are
people who have already surrendered their autonomy, who have traded it for the comfort of the
herd. Such people cannot be reasoned with, because there isn't really anyone in there. There is
only whatever mindless jabber got injected into their brain that day, the dutiful repetition of
which guarantees they remain a "normal" person (who believes what other normal persons
believe), and not some sort of "radical" or "extremist."
These people are the people who worry me these "normal" people who, completely calmly, as if
what they are saying wasn't batshit crazy, explain how Trump is just like Hitler, and how Putin
is trying to take over the world. I sit there and listen and smile at these people, some of
whom are friends and colleagues, people who I genuinely like, and who genuinely like me in
return, but who, under the right set of circumstances, would stand by and watch me marched into
prison, or worse, and not utter a word in protest.
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in
Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing
(USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is
published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org .
These people are the people who worry me these "normal" people who, completely calmly,
as if what they are saying wasn't batshit crazy, explain how Trump is just like Hitler, and
how Putin is trying to take over the world. I sit there and listen and smile at these
people, some of whom are friends and colleagues, people who I genuinely like, and who
genuinely like me in return, but who, under the right set of circumstances, would stand by
and watch me marched into prison, or worse, and not utter a word in protest.
I've got the same friends. Liberal Putin haters. Dupes, and suckers.
It's true that some of this is a matter of loony cultish shibboleths imposed to enforce
conformity. But there's more to it. This hysterical vilification of Trump is rational and
purposive. The system depends on everybody blaming the other party for what CIA does to you.
CIA has impunity and an illegal state of emergency based on secret law. They can kill anybody
they want and get away with it, including the presidential puppet ruler, ask JFK, oh wait,
you can't, he's dead. That absolute sovereignty means CIA's in charge, the buck stops there.
So it's crucial to keep the public's attention and emotional energy fixed on the puppet.
Russia does pose a threat, but it's not what we're told. Tying the demonized political
enemy to Russia is CIA's way of disguising the real threat Russia poses. Russia is the
world's most effective advocate for black-letter rule of law, including human rights law that
would destroy the CIA police state. The CIA regime's fulla-shitness is obvious to everyone in
the world except the American public.
Russia complies with international law. The USA does not. The largest bloc Russia leads is
not the SCO or the BRICS, it's the G-192, the rule-of-law advocates in UNCTAD, UNESCO, and
the General Assembly. People are now discussing Uniting for Peace as a means to counter US
abuse of veto impunity in the UNSC. Uniting for Peace was originally devised in response to
Soviet obstruction, so the tables have turned in a striking way. The free world is ~USA, and
they're going from strength to strength under the Russian nuclear umbrella. They're going to
break down the Iron Curtain and let us out.
Vlad Putin is the leader of the free World, most popular leader in the World, his people like
what he's doing and that would be delivering them a better life while minding his own
business internationally. Again I ask "what has Russia ever done to the USA"?
The left is sinking fast these days, most people aren't interested in being over run with
immigrants or watching the faggots make fools of themselves or having the State in their
business all the time. Time to pave the roads, give us decent schools and Hospitals, put the
junkies into leaky boats and send them out to Sea and make sure everyone gets fed. That's
what we want, fuck that war shit, nobody wants that. America is nothing but a Thug Nation, at
least Trump is something different, anything would be better than the status quo down
there.
Never mind, they'll be broke soon and the World will be wrecked for ten years, worth it I
say.
Agree.
In their feverish desire to be correct in the eyes of their paymasters, the
ever-opportunistic Paul Krugman of The New York Times, the ever-opportunistic "psychologist"
David Brooks, and the "progressively" profiteering Rachel Maddow of MSNBC have crossed all
barriers of decent behavior. They are the product of Rovian creation of reality , when
facts -- the documented facts -- have no weight anymore.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities," indeed.
Meanwhile, in Syria, "Drivers Behind the War on Syria and the Impoverishment of Us All:"
https://www.globalresearch.ca/drivers-behind-the-war-on-syria-and-the-impoverishment-of-us-all/5644381
"We know that the Western narratives about the war on Syria are entirely false, so what are
some of the real reasons that are driving this overseas holocaust, and who is benefiting from
it?
To be blunt, Western policymakers seek to destroy secular democracy in Syria, along with its
socially uplifting political economy, with a view to installing a compliant fascist Wahhabi
government. The end result is chaos, the enrichment of the transnational "oligarchs" and the
impoverishment of Syria.
In doing this, the policymakers are also impoverishing the vast majority of people in Western
countries1, destroying nation-state sovereignties, and endeavouring to create a totalitarian
World Order.
International financial institutions see local banking as a threat. Consequently, in Aleppo,
Syria, terrorists destroyed local banking institutions."
– Same as in Libya. The banking cabal had led the US/EU coalition of war criminals to
murder hundreds of thousands of people in order to destroy Libyan banking system and to
satisfy Israel's aspirations for Ertez Israel: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38009.htm
"America's Collusion With Neo-Nazis," by Stephen F. Cohen:
ttps://www.thenation.com/article/americas-collusion-with-neo-nazis/
"– That the pogrom-like burning to death of ethnic Russians and others in Odessa
shortly later in 2014 reawakened memories of Nazi extermination squads in Ukraine during
World War II has been all but deleted from the American mainstream narrative even though it
remains a painful and revelatory experience for many Ukrainians.
-- That the Azov Battalion of some 3,000 well-armed fighters, which has played a major combat
role in the Ukrainian civil war and now is an official component of Kiev's armed forces, is
avowedly "partially" pro-Nazi, as evidenced by its regalia, slogans, and programmatic
statements, and well-documented as such by several international monitoring organizations.
[The Azov Battalion was financed by a Jewish oligarch Kolomojsky]. (
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Frussia-insider.com%2Fsites%2Finsider%2Ffiles%2F-DaRo81rUvA.jpg&f=1
" -- That stormtroop-like assaults on gays, Jews, elderly ethnic Russians, and other "impure"
citizens are widespread throughout Kiev-ruled Ukraine, along with torchlight marches
reminiscent of those that eventually inflamed Germany in the late 1920s and 1930s. And that
the police and official legal authorities do virtually nothing to prevent these neo-fascist
acts or to prosecute them. On the contrary, Kiev has officially encouraged them by
systematically rehabilitating and even memorializing Ukrainian collaborators with Nazi German
extermination pogroms and their leaders during World War II, renaming streets in their honor,
building monuments to them, rewriting history to glorify them, and more."
– None of the 52 main Jewish American organizations raised their voices to condemn the
revival of neo-Nazism (banderism) in Ukraine. Is this because of the ethnicity of the State
Dept. organizers of the putsch, Nuland-Kagan and Pyatt? Or is it because of the zionists'
visceral hatred towards Russia that has been protecting the sovereign state of Syria from the
supremacist Israeli thugs?
I loved this article! Funny as hell! I do not have quite the negative view of Trump – I
do think he has matured some from his playboy days and clearly is serious about doing some
good things – but the author's depiction of the posturing buffoons of the media is spot
on. Hitler indeed! Ha ha!
When Hillary started ranting about Trump being "Putin's Puppet", I wondered "Where did that
come from?". I decided that she probably had a pot of evil warming on the stove and needed a
scapegoat to go along with it. Later events haven't proven me wrong.
I just discovered the brilliant Shadia Drury, one of the best resources on the Neocon and
Straussian concept of the 'Noble Lie', and the enemy (previously War On Terror, now Russia
Threat) to unite the nihilism of liberal society and prevent it from disintegrating.
trump derangement syndrome here with Hopkins. Trump was a showman, like thousands of others.
He also enjoyed celebrity , again, only this time, like millions of others.
He likes women, especially in a state of undress. Who doesn't? Women as much as men, like
to look at pictures of naked ladies, maybe more than men.
Maybe the whole article by Hopkins is a joke.
What I do not fully understand, and Hopkins does not help is how lunatic-hatred on the
part of liberals has become so powerful.
I talked some race, as in global North and global South and natural selection, to a
liberal gal the other day, and she thought it made sense. But she still hates Trump.
Or take the current moral Outrage over baby Mexicans at the border. None of it makes any
sense, especially inasmuch as Mom and Pop can just keep family together by going home, which
is not an option for the average burglary suspect, etc. here at home.
Trump has become the default target for every aggrieved world-hating liberal sap. The
world must be changed! I demand it!
It may have something to do also with the perception that maybe they picked the wrong
team, and that various career choices may have been wrong, in terms of jobs/career and so on.
Given the armies of professional liberals wearing badges of Equality but scrambling for
Privilege, Trump's laughter at their expense must drive them nuts.
And/or, the SJW types of youngsters (like I was at the time of Vietnam Slaughters) Trump
is the Absolute Negation of everything they dream about the Perfect World, and their own
badges of Revolutionary Correctness/Rectitude which they desperately seek to pin on their
chests/breasts.
( curiously, many young women bare their breasts in protest about something or other. More
sexual politics, I guess, especially if they have nice tits.)
I am you and you are me and we are all together. Milan Kundera has a great image in one of
his novels about the Revolution in Hungary (?), the communist Revolution that is: A circle
dance of young pioneer dancers spiraling up into the sky, like the Ascent of Christians to
heaven. He admitted that he was of that delusion at the time. Hope morphed into Belief.
The Delusions of Race Equality are also at hand. And even though Trump declares himself
politically correct on that score, the Trump Deranged syndrome SJW children and their
parents, deny that Trump is a fellow true-believer. Trump is a Racist! really, and so on.
After a half-century of blatant failure of Blacks to improve the Content of Their
Character, never mind getting grades good enough to get into college without privileged
access, quotas, etc. older liberals, at least, smell Failure. Disillusion dreams dying hard
contributes to the hatreds afoot.
The kids vote for Bernie, but the parents are also disillusioned about socialism, yet the
kids luv Bernie and even now blame Billary, etc. for Trump. Who can blame the kids what with
the economy punishing their generation like we have not seen for generations
(The ten year cycle of recessions is about to recycle another recession, if history means
anything in this regard. Trump is not out of trouble and his standard issue GOP economics is
not going to save him if a recession roars in. Wages are still super low, etc, etc and will
plummet in another recession, never mind Mexicans.)
So, the desperation of adult liberals is two-fold, or three-fold. Socialism failed. Racial
Equality has failed. They know it but cannot admit it to one-another. Trump has won, a
repudiation of Everything they Luv.
Hatred simmers in the melting-pot, acrid fumes enter the Body Politic. Liberals stagger
while genuine conservatives have adjusted over the last couple decades to the stench of
liberalism, all the while buying guns and waiting for the Tipping Point.
Maybe this begins to account for the hatreds swirling out there. I have not even mentioned
the hatreds of Blacks who are the most aware of their Failure, and register it for example in
their admiration of Elijah Muhammed, Reveredn Wright, and of course, the Obama Zip.
Trump is just the Beginning as the American and European peasantry grab their pitchforks
and head for Brussels and D.C.
On origins of the Russia Threat: just more 'perpetual war' to rescue society from the
inherent nihilism of liberalism:
This is made clear in Strauss's exchange with Kojève (reprinted in Strauss's On
Tyranny), and in his commentary on Schmitt's The Concept of the Political (reprinted in
Heinrich Meier, Carl Schmitt and Leo Strauss: The Hidden Dialogue). Kojève lamented
the animalisation of man and Schmitt worried about the trivialisation of life. All three of
them were convinced that liberal economics would turn life into entertainment and destroy
politics; all three understood politics as a conflict between mutually hostile groups
willing to fight each other to the death. In short, they all thought that man's humanity
depended on his willingness to rush naked into battle and headlong to his death. Only
perpetual war can overturn the modern project, with its emphasis on self-preservation and
"creature comforts." Life can be politicised once more, and man's humanity can be
restored.
This terrifying vision fits perfectly well with the desire for honour and glory that the
neo-conservative gentlemen covet. It also fits very well with the religious sensibilities
of gentlemen. The combination of religion and nationalism is the elixir that Strauss
advocates as the way to turn natural, relaxed, hedonistic men into devout nationalists
willing to fight and die for their God and country.
You're right, Drury did give good insight into Strauss & his impact. Whoever compiled
these clips, from Drury on Strauss to the Wolfowitz interview just after 9/11, made all the
right connections.
And the chain of attitudes and actions can be examined in both directions, backward, to
Strauss's expectations of Jew-power in Weimar -- he expected Jews to be the elite overseers
of the "vulgar masses" who resented being resented by said vulgar masses.
It's projection. They fantasize about doing the same things they falsely imagine Trump will
do to them, but to their enemies. They are dangerous. The internet has also allowed the
masses to see just how utterly incompetent the Ruling Class is. Neopotism, networking, and
geography got them their positions, not talent or erudition.
"These people are the people who worry me these "normal" people who, completely calmly, as
if what they are saying wasn't batshit crazy, explain how Trump is just like Hitler, and how
Putin is trying to take over the world. I sit there and listen and smile at these people,
some of whom are friends and colleagues, people who I genuinely like, and who genuinely like
me in return, but who, under the right set of circumstances, would stand by and watch me
marched into prison, or worse, and not utter a word in protest."
They can never be allowed to come to power. Ever. Their hysteria over Trump has let the
mask slip too much. They have been revealed. It is no different than if Hitler had announced
the Holocaust before taking office. At that point, it would have been morally correct to deny
him regardless of the vote. We may very well have to consider this in 2020. Do you really
want to hand your fate over to these people? They have made their psychotic feelings plain.
On top of that, they are incompetent buffoons.
Correct.
Meanwhile, the anonymous "nazi-hunters" at stopantisemitism.org have produced another
anti-First Amendment battle cry, this time again a professor at Columbia University, who
dared to speak the truth about The Lobby: http://hamiddabashi.com
The "nazi-hunters" at stopantisemitism.org should visit the Nuland-liberated Ukraine,
where the activities of the US Zionists (specifically, Nuland-Kagan and Pyatt) have brought
about a revival of neo-Nazism (banderism) and the consequent rise in real anti-semitism --
not the one invented by the Jewish vigilantes at stopantisemitism.org
If the "nazi-hunters" from stopantisemitism.org are serious about the memory of the WWII,
they should better start investigating the pro-Nazi activities of the Kagans' clan first and
foremost (see the "liberated" Ukraine) and then proceed with investigating the Israeli
citizen Kolomojsky, who was the main financier of the openly neo-Nazi Azov Battalion.
" the Azov Battalion of some 3,000 well-armed fighters is avowedly pro-Nazi, as evidenced
by its regalia, slogans, and programmatic statements, and well-documented as such by several
international monitoring organizations."
"... Trump's vision would seem to include protection of core industries, existing demographics and cultural institutions combined with an end of "democratization," which will result in an acceptance of foreign autocratic or non-conforming regimes as long as they do not pose military or economic threats. ..."
"... Sounds good, I countered but there is a space between genius and idiocy and that would be called insanity, best illustrated by impulsive, irrational behavior coupled with acute hypersensitivity over perceived personal insults and a demonstrated inability to comprehend either generally accepted facts or basic norms of personal and group behavior. ..."
"... Trump's basic objections were that Washington is subsidizing the defense of a wealthy Europe and thereby maintaining unnecessarily a relationship that perpetuates a state of no-war no-peace between Russia and the West. ..."
"... And the neoconservatives and globalists are striking back hard to make sure that détente stays in a bottle hidden somewhere on a shelf in the White House cloak room. Always adept at the creation of new front groups, the neocons have now launched something called the Renew Democracy Initiative (RDI), with the goal of "uni[ting] the center-left and the center-right." Its founders include the redoubtable Max Boot, The Washington Post's Anne Appelbaum, the inevitable Bill Kristol, and Richard Hurwitz of Council on Foreign Relations. RDI's website predictably calls for "fresh thinking" and envisions "the best minds from different countries com[ing] together for both broad and discrete projects in the service of liberty and democracy in the West and beyond." It argues that "Liberal democracy is in crisis around the world, besieged by authoritarianism, nationalism, and other illiberal forces. Far-right parties are gaining traction in Europe, Vladimir Putin tightens his grip on Russia and undermines democracy abroad, and America struggles with poisonous threats from the right and left." ..."
"... There are also the internal contradictions in what Trump appears to be doing, suggesting that a brighter future might not be on the horizon even if giving the Europeans a possibly deserved bloody nose over their refusal to spend money defending themselves provides some satisfaction. In the last week alone in Syria the White House has quietly renewed funding for the so-called White Helmets, a terrorist front group. It has also warned that it will take action against the Syrian government for any violation of a "de-escalation zone" in the country's southwest that has been under the control of Washington. That means that the U.S., which is in Syria illegally, is warning that country's legitimate government that it should not attempt to re-establish control over a region that was until recently ruled by terrorists. ..."
"... In Syria there have been two pointless cruise missile attacks and a trap set up to kill Russian mercenaries. Washington's stated intention is to destabilize and replace President Bashar al-Assad while continuing the occupation of the Syrian oil fields. And in Afghanistan there are now more troops on the ground than there were on inauguration day together with no plan to bring them home. It is reported that the Pentagon has a twenty-year plan to finish the job but no one actually believes it will work. ..."
"... The United States is constructing new drone bases in Africa and Asia. It also has a new military base in Israel which will serve as a tripwire for automatic American involvement if Israel goes to war and has given the green light to the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians. ..."
"... And then there are the petty insults that do not behoove a great power. A friend recently attended the Russian National Day celebration at the embassy in Washington. He reported that the U.S. government completely boycotted the event, together with its allies in Western Europe and the anglosphere, resulting in sparse attendance. It is the kind of slight that causes attitudes to shift when the time comes for serious negotiating. It is unnecessary and it is precisely the sort of thing that Russian President Vladimir Putin is referring to when he asks that his country be treated with "respect." The White House could have sent a delegation to attend the national day. Trump could have arranged it with a phone call, but he didn't. ..."
"... Winston Churchill once reportedly said that to "Jaw, jaw, jaw is better than war, war, war." As one of the twentieth century's leading warmongers, he may not have actually meant it, but in principle he was right. So let us hope for the best coming out of Singapore and also for the G-7 or what replaces it in the future. But don't be confused or diverted by presidential grandstanding. Watch what else is going on outside the limelight and, at least for the present, it is not pretty. ..."
"... Phil nails it as usual. Like him, I'm not very optimistic. Whether overall one approves or disapproves of Trump (and count me as a disapprover), it is obvious that most of the government is operating outside his control and this includes many of his own appointees. The continuities of US policy are far deeper than the apparent discontinuities. ..."
I had coffee with a foreign friend a week ago. The subject of Donald Trump inevitably came
up and my friend said that he was torn between describing Trump as a genius or as an idiot, but
was inclined to lean towards genius. He explained that Trump was willy-nilly establishing a new
world order that will succeed the institutionally exhausted post-World War 2 financial and
political arrangements that more-or-less established U.S. hegemony over the "free world." The
Bretton Woods agreement and the founding of the United Nations institutionalized the spread of
liberal democracy and free trade, creating a new, post war international order under the firm
control of the United States with the American dollar as the benchmark currency. Trump is now
rejecting what has become an increasingly dominant global world order in favor of returning to
a nineteenth century style nationalism that has become popular as countries struggle to retain
their cultural and political identifies. Trump's vision would seem to include protection of
core industries, existing demographics and cultural institutions combined with an end of
"democratization," which will result in an acceptance of foreign autocratic or non-conforming
regimes as long as they do not pose military or economic threats.
Sounds good, I countered but there is a space between genius and idiocy and that would be
called insanity, best illustrated by impulsive, irrational behavior coupled with acute
hypersensitivity over perceived personal insults and a demonstrated inability to comprehend
either generally accepted facts or basic norms of personal and group behavior.
Inevitably, I have other friends who follow foreign policy closely that have various
interpretations of the Trump phenomenon. One sees the respectful meeting with Kim Jong-un of
North Korea as a bit of brilliant statesmanship, potentially breaking a sixty-five year logjam
and possibly opening the door to further discussions that might well avert a nuclear war. And
the week also brought a Trump welcome suggestion that Russia should be asked to rejoin the G-7
group of major industrialized democracies, which also has to be seen as a positive step. There
has also been talk of a Russia-U.S. summit similar to that with North Korea to iron out
differences, an initiative that was first suggested by Trump and then agreed to by Russian
President Vladimir Putin. There will inevitably be powerful resistance to such an arrangement
coming primarily from the U.S. media and from Congress, but Donald Trump seems to fancy the
prospect and it just might take place.
One good friend even puts a positive spin on Trump's insulting behavior towards America's
traditional allies at the recent G-7 meeting in Canada. She observes that Trump's basic
objections were that Washington is subsidizing the defense of a wealthy Europe and thereby
maintaining unnecessarily a relationship that perpetuates a state of no-war no-peace between
Russia and the West. And the military costs exacerbate some genuine serious trade imbalances
that damage the U.S. economy. If Trumpism prevails, G-7 will become a forum for discussions of
trade and economic relations and will become less a club of nations aligned military against
Russia and, eventually, China. As she put it, changing its constituency would be a triumph of
"mercantilism" over "imperialism." The now pointless NATO alliance might well find itself
without much support if the members actually have to fully fund it proportionate to their GDPs
and could easily fade away, which would be a blessing for everyone.
My objection to nearly all the arguments being made in favor or opposed to what occurred in
Singapore last week is that the summit is being seen out of context, as is the outreach to
Russia at G-7. Those who are in some cases violently opposed to the outcome of the talks with
North Korea are, to be sure, sufferers from Trump Derangement Syndrome, where they hate
anything he does and spin their responses to cast him in the most negative terms possible. Some
others who choose to see daylight in spite of the essential emptiness of the "agreement" are
perhaps being overly optimistic while likewise ignoring what else is going on.
And the neoconservatives and globalists are striking back hard to make sure that
détente stays in a bottle hidden somewhere on a shelf in the White House cloak room.
Always adept at the creation of new front groups, the neocons have now launched something
called the Renew Democracy Initiative (RDI), with the goal of "uni[ting] the center-left and
the center-right." Its founders include the redoubtable Max Boot, The Washington Post's Anne
Appelbaum, the inevitable Bill Kristol, and Richard Hurwitz of Council on Foreign Relations.
RDI's website predictably calls for "fresh thinking" and envisions "the best minds from
different countries com[ing] together for both broad and discrete projects in the service of
liberty and democracy in the West and beyond." It argues that "Liberal democracy is in crisis
around the world, besieged by authoritarianism, nationalism, and other illiberal forces.
Far-right parties are gaining traction in Europe, Vladimir Putin tightens his grip on Russia
and undermines democracy abroad, and America struggles with poisonous threats from the right
and left."
There are also the internal contradictions in what Trump appears to be doing, suggesting
that a brighter future might not be on the horizon even if giving the Europeans a possibly
deserved bloody nose over their refusal to spend money defending themselves provides some
satisfaction. In the last week alone in Syria the White House has quietly renewed funding for
the so-called White Helmets, a terrorist front group. It has also warned that it will take
action against the Syrian government for any violation of a "de-escalation zone" in the
country's southwest that has been under the control of Washington. That means that the U.S.,
which is in Syria illegally, is warning that country's legitimate government that it should not
attempt to re-establish control over a region that was until recently ruled by
terrorists.
And then there is also Donald Trump's recent renunciation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of
Action (JCPOA), eliminating a successful program that was preventing nuclear proliferation on
the part of Iran and replacing it with nothing whatsoever apart from war as a possible way of
dealing with the potential problem. Indeed, Trump has been prepared to use military force on
impulse, even when there is no clear casus belli. In Syria there have been two pointless
cruise missile attacks and a trap set up to kill Russian mercenaries. Washington's stated
intention is to destabilize and replace President Bashar al-Assad while continuing the
occupation of the Syrian oil fields. And in Afghanistan there are now more troops on the ground
than there were on inauguration day together with no plan to bring them home. It is reported
that the Pentagon has a twenty-year plan to finish the job but no one actually believes it will
work.
The United States is constructing new drone bases in Africa and Asia. It also has a new
military base in Israel which will serve as a tripwire for automatic American involvement if
Israel goes to war and has given the green light to the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians.
In Latin America, Washington has backed off from détente with Cuba and has been
periodically threatening some kind of intervention in Venezuela. In Europe, it is engaged in
aggressive war games on the Russian borders, most recently in Norway and Poland. The
Administration has ordered increased involvement in Somalia and has special ops units operating
– and dying – worldwide. Overall, it is hardly a return to the Garden of Eden.
And then there are the petty insults that do not behoove a great power. A friend recently
attended the Russian National Day celebration at the embassy in Washington. He reported that
the U.S. government completely boycotted the event, together with its allies in Western Europe
and the anglosphere, resulting in sparse attendance. It is the kind of slight that causes
attitudes to shift when the time comes for serious negotiating. It is unnecessary and it is
precisely the sort of thing that Russian President Vladimir Putin is referring to when he asks
that his country be treated with "respect." The White House could have sent a delegation to
attend the national day. Trump could have arranged it with a phone call, but he didn't.
Winston Churchill once reportedly said that to "Jaw, jaw, jaw is better than war, war, war."
As one of the twentieth century's leading warmongers, he may not have actually meant it, but in
principle he was right. So let us hope for the best coming out of Singapore and also for the
G-7 or what replaces it in the future. But don't be confused or diverted by presidential
grandstanding. Watch what else is going on outside the limelight and, at least for the present,
it is not pretty.
The Establishment (which includes both major political parties) is furious that Trump may be
defusing the (very real) nuclear threat from Kim for the price of a few plane tickets and
dinners, while the Establishment was gung-ho for throwing away a few trillion dollars,
hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, and our nation's once-good reputation in the process
of neutralizing Saddam Hussein, who didn't even have any nukes to begin with. Yep, they're
sore all right.
Phil nails it as usual. Like him, I'm not very optimistic. Whether overall one approves or
disapproves of Trump (and count me as a disapprover), it is obvious that most of the
government is operating outside his control and this includes many of his own appointees. The
continuities of US policy are far deeper than the apparent discontinuities.
"... The declaration of the DPRK came after the US- backed Rhee declared the ROK and reneged on peninsula-wide elections that had been agreed to at the UN. I guess you can call it a civil war, but that really isn't germane to the question: Why can the US not stomach any rapprochement between the two de facto Koreas two-thirds of a century later, while it was willing to accept a reunification of a historically more aggressive Germany? ..."
"... According to I.F. Stone in his "Hidden History of the Korean War" (1952), the intent of the Korean War was to destabilize the Chinese Revolution which had consolidated power the year before. ..."
Fearing that peace might break out with the two Koreas talking to each
other, Washington instructed South Korean President Moon Jae-in to
keep the message about anything but peace
. It is not just Trump. A former top official for the Obama
administration warned Moon that South Korea was not going to get anywhere with the North Koreans unless they
have the "US behind them". Humiliating, that is like saying that Moon's "button" is not as big as Kim's. The
metaphor is exactly how the Washington elite see South Korea: as Washington's obedient eunuch. The official
went on to say, "If South Koreans are viewed as running off the leash, it will exacerbate tension within the
alliance". Running off the leash! Now more humiliation, is South Korea a US poodle? Instead President Moon
Jae-in is showing that he has teeth, and that South Koreans want their country back from US humiliating
domination.
During the talks it was agreed for North
Korea to participate in the Winter Olympics in February. The two countries will even march together under a
common flag, and future talks between the two are planned to reduce tension. Trump continues to bluster,
while the two Koreas have "
engaged
in the most substantive direct talks in years". Neocons such as John Bolton are
outraged
that North Korea has proven once again that it is willing to come to the negotiation table.
Bolton says it is a dirty trick and that North Korea is "taking advantage of a weak South Korean
government", adding more insulting humiliation. To Washington, South Korea talking peace is weak, running
off the leash and going it alone without its US master. The North using the peace option is seen as a
provocation and propaganda that Washington will not tolerate. In retaliation the
US sent
more nukes to Guam, and put the state of Hawaii on a full alert that a "
ballistic
missile was inbound
". The nukes outbound to Guam are real; the ones inbound to Hawaii were fake, just
like the ability of the billion dollar THAADS to shoot them down. Too conveniently the Hawaii false alarm
comes just as the US and its vassals are readying for what the US plots to be a
show of solidarity
and unity on killer sanctions against North Korea. The US wants its chorus to perform
the tragedy of telling North Korea to obey or watch 500,000 of their children die. As Madeleine Albright
said about Iraq's 500,000 dead children from US sanctions, "
the
price is worth it
". The US does not think the price of diplomacy is worth it though.
The US continues to block efforts at
diplomacy, and express its contempt for South Korea's elected President Moon Jae-in. He was elected on a
peace platform
by the South Korean people. Moon's predecessor Park Geun-hye sang from the US hymnbook
until she got caught with her hand in the cookie jar. In 2017 the South Korean people went to the street and
demanded the granddaughter of former dictator Park Chung Hee be impeached, and now she is in prison. Peace
is not anything that Washington's plutocrats want to hear, although the South Korean people like the sound
of it, and elected Moon their president by a wide margin. The self-interests in Washington preferred the
corrupt warmonger Park. She carried the US's tune with perfect pitch, even (
allegedly
)
conspired to assassinate the North's Kim Jong-Un. The message of the humiliation from US apparatchiks is
that if Moon does not change his tune the US will try to undermine South Korea's democracy with a regime
change project might be in his future. The US habitually meddles in other's elections, and wants to keep
tensions high on the Korean peninsula, keep the South Koreans in line, make North Korea a boogeyman,
frighten the American people, station 30,000 US troops in South Korea with wartime operational control, buy
more multi-billion dollar THAADS from Lockheed Martin, and divide the Korean people. Even at the risks of a
nuclear war, which the US proposes
making easier
.
The establishment
nearly went to war
with North Korea in 1994 until Bill Clinton negotiated peace. The neocons in
Washington and the mainstream media keep saying that North Korea refused to come to the negotiating table.
Clinton's decision to use diplomacy instead of threats proved the warmongers wrong again. It was the US all
along that refused to talk, preferring belligerence and threats just as it does now. Once Clinton showed a
willingness to bargain, then a nuclear deal was struck. The deal was called the
Agreed Framework
. What North Korea wanted then for it to suspend its nuclear program was for the US to
halt the massive military exercises on North Korea's border, a non-aggression guarantee, compensation for
abandoning its needed electric producing nuclear reactors, and relations with the US. Now the situation with
North Korea is back to where it was in 1994. George W. Bush reversed the path of peace when he came into the
White House. In 2001 he tore up the Agreed Framework, put North Korea on the
Axis of Evil
list in 2002,
invaded Iraq
in 2003, and
hanged Saddam
Hussein in 2006. Very predictably North Korea resumed its nuclear program for self-defense
against a paranoid and unpredictable USA that sees enemies to attack under every bed.
Bush scrapped
the Agreed Framework, and told then South Korean President Kim Dae-jung that future talks
with North Korea were dead. Kim Dae-jung had come to visit Bush shortly after winning the Nobel Peace Prize
for his
Sunshine Policies
of peace with North Korea. Instead of welcoming President Kim and his peace efforts,
Bush humiliated him by shockingly calling North Korea's leader Kim Jong-il a dwarf. North Korea predictably
withdrew from the Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003 and resumed work on its nuclear program. A month later
Bush called out North Korea to pay particular attention to Libya as an example of how a country is welcomed
into the international community when it unilaterally gives up its nuclear defense program. North Korea paid
attention and it was listening when Muammar Gaddafi said in a 2008 speech that "
one
of these days America may hang us
like they did Saddam ". In 2011 Gaddafi met a
brutal death
at the hands of US proxies; he was anally raped with a bayonet and left to rot on public
display in a meat locker. Before Gaddafi's corpse was even cold a hysterically glowing Hillary Clinton
cackled "
we
came, we saw, he died", hahaha
". Now fast forward to 2018 and the US is threatening war against North
Korea again.
The US has been abusing Korea since 1871
when it first invaded it with an expeditionary force of Marines to forcibly open trade. Korea just wanted to
be left alone, but the US forced Korea to sign an exclusive trade treaty in 1882 at the point of a gun. In
exchange for that unequal trade agreement the US promised Korea protection. In 1910 the US proved that its
promise was worthless. Instead of protection, President Theodore Roosevelt stabbed Korea in the back by
conspiring with Japan. Roosevelt had enthusiastically supported Japan in the Russo-Japanese War. Japan
pre-emptively attacked the Russian fleet at Port Arthur in a sneak attack. Teddy congratulated Japan for
their brilliance in 1941 his nephew Franklin would call a Japanese sneak attack "a day of infamy". After
Japan and Russia ground down to a bloody stalemate, Japan secretly appealed to Teddy to open negotiations.
Roosevelt acted as a (dis)honest broker in negotiating the Treaty of Portsmouth, for which he won the Nobel
Peace Prize. Japan won the spoils of the war. Roosevelt had a secret deal that Japan could have Korea and
the US would take the Philippines. In 1945 the US deceived Korea again. Instead of liberating Korea from the
Japanese occupation, the US occupied Korea for 3 more years until 1948 and then blocked its independence.
The US was largely responsible for the division of Korea and backing dictatorships in South Korea until
1993. Americans do not know the US treachery, but Koreans do. Why would they trust the USA now?
In order to understand North Korea, one
must start with the "anticolonial and anti-imperial state growing out of a half-century of Japanese colonial
rule and a half-century of continuous confrontation with a hegemonic United States", as Bruce Cumings writes
in his book
North Korea: Another Country
. In order to understand South Korea one should take a similar approach. The
Japanese colonization of Korea in 1910 was greeted with cheers from the USA. Teddy Roosevelt encouraged
Japan to have its own
Japanese Monroe Doctrine
for Northeast Asia. The Japanese were harsh rulers, and Koreans remember
colonial times as a national humiliation. Under the Japanese the Korean economy grew rapidly, but Koreans
will rightly argue that little of it helped the average Korean. Like the Korean "comfort women" sex slaves
during World War Two, Koreans were forced to obey their Japanese masters. Some Koreans complied reluctantly,
some willingly and some enthusiastically. Many, but not all of the enthusiastic collaborators came from the
landed aristocratic class of Koreans known as the
yangban
. Other collaborators were traitors that saw advancing their economic and social status by
collaborating. After the division of Korea in 1945 many of the yangban class and collaborators fled to the
South where they felt safe with the US occupation army, and for good reasons. The North was redistributing
the yangban's vast landholdings. Many of the yangban and collaborators were safer in the US occupied south.
Some went on to achieve leadership in business and government in South Korea. For instance, the future South
Korean dictator Park Chung-hee (from 1963 until his assassination in 1979) had collaborated with the
Japanese as a lieutenant in the Japanese army in Manchuria fighting against the Korean resistance fighters.
Korea has a long history of thousands of
years. It united as one people in the 7
th
century and remained so until after World War Two. The
US had started planning for the occupation of Korea six months after Pearl Harbor, according to Bruce
Cumings. The day after Japan surrendered a future Secretary of State Dean Rusk drew a line at the
38
th
Parallel
where the US proposed that Korea be divided, and the Russian allies agreed.
Thousands of Koreans protested in the streets. They were told that a
trusteeship
was temporary until elections. Instead the US feared that the people would elect a communist
government, and so they rigged a fraudulent election for a separate government in the South. The United
Nations rubber stamped it. As in the South, the North then held
separate elections
for the Supreme People's Assembly which then elected Kim Il Sung, a famous
anti-Japanese guerilla resistance leader since 1932. The US and South Korean propaganda portray that North
Korea was a puppet and satellite project of the Soviet Union. This is probably the US projecting its own
imperial intentions. Cummings says that no evidence exists that the Soviets had any long-term designs on
Korea. They withdrew all of their military from North Korea in 1948.
North Korea has experience with US
brutality. During the Korean War the US bombed Korea for 3 years, wiped out 20% of its population and
destroyed every city, village and vital structure. President Truman threatened to bomb them with the atomic
bomb, and General Douglas MacArthur planned to use 30 nuclear bombs which were shipped to a US base in
Okinawa. Truman fired MacArthur not because MacArthur wanted to use nukes, but because Truman wanted someone
more loyal he could trust with them. Truman preauthorized MacArthur's replacement General Matthew Ridgeway
to use the nuclear bombs at his discretion. The US public is oblivious to US recklessness with nuclear bombs
and is passive about what is done in their name. The Korean War (1950 to 1953) is called the Forgotten War
because the US public has amnesia. Whatever propaganda they do remember is a flawed version of history put
out by the US government. Oblivious, passive and amnesia are why all US wars of aggression are quickly
forgotten as the US moves on to the next one.
After the US military occupation of
South Korea from 1945 to 1948, South Korea was ruled by US backed
repressive
dictators until the first democratic election in 1993. The first despot that the US installed
was Syngman Rhee in 1948. Rhee was a practically unknown in Korea because he had lived in the USA from 1912
until 1945, when he was flown back to Korea by the US military. The US pumped billions of dollars into South
Korea to make it a showplace of US-style capitalism during the Cold War, but South Korea did not develop
under either democracy or a free market, according to Ha-Joon Chang, the author of
Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism
.
For many decades North Korea outpaced
South Korea in economic development and in their standard of living until the 1970's. With the 1991 demise
of its most important trading partner the Soviet Union, North Korea fell on very hard economic times. Then
it suffered two floods and a drought in the 1990′s that resulted in famines. On top of that the US has
imposed killer economic sanctions. So now US propaganda constantly reinforces the belief that North Korea is
an economic failure that cannot even feed its own people. While the US touts that South Korea is an economic
miracle of democracy, capitalism and free markets. Little is ever mentioned about the economic collapse of
South Korea in 1997, which the US had to rescue with a
financial bailout package
that reached $90 Billion. The package included IMF loans that came with
humiliating conditionalities of austerity. The minister of finance Lim Chang Yuel went on TV, humiliated and
begging for the South Korean people's forgiveness.
Despite all the propaganda otherwise,
North Korea is not only willing to sit down at the table with the US, but it has long been proposing
negotiations to a deaf USA ear. What North Korea says it wants today are the same things that were
negotiated with Clinton in the Agreed Framework: security, compensation, and economic relations with the US.
There is nothing unreasonable that North Korea is asking for, and that is probably why the US refuses to
negotiate. It does not want peace for its own insane naked imperialism reasons. Instead the US wants
continued hostilities; otherwise if it wanted peace it would welcome diplomacy.
It is the US that is unpredictable. One
day Secretary of State Rex
Tillerson says
that the US is willing to hold unconditional talks with North Korea. Then he says
the US won't
. Trump says that he will destroy North Korea with fire and fury, and then he says he would
"
absolutely
talk
to North Korea's Kim on the phone". It is the US that is paranoid and finding enemies everywhere:
Cuba, Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela, Iran, and Russia to name just a few. The US enemies list has nothing to
do with democracy, freedom and human rights. If it did the US would not be friends, allies, and benefactors
to brutal kingdoms, monarchies, dictators, fascists and human rights abusers such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt,
Israel, Honduras, Haiti, and Ukraine, for example. US foreign policy is based on hegemony, empire, power,
corporate interests, corruption and self-interests of the high and mighty, not democracy and human rights.
Who is paranoid? Compare how much of a
threat the US is compared to North Korea. Since World War Two North Korea has not invaded anybody. The
Korean War (1950 to 1953) was a civil war and authoritative historians such as I. F. Stone, Bruce Cumings,
and David Halberstam agree that the South was responsible for instigating it too. Korea itself has not
invaded anybody since the 16
th
century. The US has attacked at least
32 countries
just since WW2. North Korea has a defense budget of only
$7.5 billion
, compared to the US $1 Trillion. North Korea has developed nuclear weapons because the US
has been threatening it with nuclear destruction since 1950, introduced nuclear weapons into South Korea in
1957 in violation of the armistice agreement and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The US keeps
practicing regime change decapitation invasions and nuclear attacks against North Korea. North Korea has an
estimated arsenal of 20 nuke bombs that are not a threat to the US's 15,000 nuclear arsenal. Instead the US
is an asymmetrical and existential threat to North Korea and every other non-compliant small country. North
Korea has nuclear weapons because it does not want to humiliate itself by being a US poodle. When are the
American people going to wise up to the US propaganda and false cries that the evil wolf is at the door
again?
References:
"North Korea: Another Country", by Bruce
Cumings.
"The China Mirage: The Hidden History of
American Disaster in Asia," by James Bradley.
"Korean Mind: Understanding Contemporary
Korean Culture", by Boye Lafayette De Mente
(Republished from
The
Greanville Post
by permission of author or representative)
United Sh-thole of America. The people in Washington are degenerates. They want to murder millions of
Koreans and tens of thousands of their own people.
This article is too easy on the Norks, who are no angels themselves. It's quite unlikely that the South
started the war, when the South didn't have adequate weaponry or effective armed forces, unlike the North.
North Korea has done some horrible things in the past, most recently the (likely) sinking of a South Korean
vessel.
But overall, yes, in the current situation the US could easily avoid war, but doesn't want to.
Absolutely zero chance of JUSA attacking Korea for the obvious reason that there is nothing in it for the
jooies. Why would the clever conniving jooies waste their satrap's military assets on Korea when they could
be used to further the main jooie goal of destroying the ME and Iran? Think about it ..
Could be that the Trump administration is playing a game of hyper-aggression that always goes 'wrong',
uniting everyone against the empire and bringing America down in the least bad of hard landings from its
imperial role. Trump's kind words vis-a-vis Kim might have served as an assurance that Kim could trust his
channel. That purpose having been served, Trump was back in hyper-aggressive mode with his "I'd" versus "I"
explanation.
Trump's statements regarding Jerusalem, Iran and Pakistan/Afghanistan all follow the same
pattern.
We do have President Moon's statement, cited by a seemingly clueless Patrick Buchanan, that he is
nonetheless grateful to Trump for bringing the North Koreans to the table. Trump's overtly bad behavior
makes it easier for Kim to move against the entrenched forces on his own side.
Just a possibility. But it fits Trump's personality, if you go by indications over the decades rather
than the last two years.
So what? America is not an angel either. Doesn't give America the right to interfere. I'm glad other
countries have the balls to give America a bloody nose. Never has there been such a dishonest and immoral
country.
Where are you from Europe lol?
Hope your not expecting your obedience to pay off someday.
"When are the American people going to wise up to the US propaganda and false cries that the evil wolf is at
the door again?"
The hippie paradigm, if the people have awareness, they will care and change things
I think you underestimate the % of people who don't care and those understand, better them than me. Trump
was quoted as saying about the next Korean war, better Seoul nuked than us or something to that effect. Do
Trump supporters mind what he said that the USA should take the oil at the very least with regards to Iraq?
Nexus321, please, a little respect for our own country. We are the United States of America. Do not curse
the family.
Now, we are, all of us, disappointed with misdeeds done in our name. But, we are Americans and we can fix
this.
We should not judge the essence of ourselves as a nation by what some wayward politician whores do. Check
their motives and see on whose behalf they are working. It ain't ours. If what they do keeps the war game
alive, ask who benefits. Where does the buck lead? There lies the snake. Curse that. Bad deeds done in our
government's name shame us all, but that shame should make us citizens mature and determined, not adolescent
and whiny. I repeat, do not curse the family.
We are a good country founded on solid, moral principles. Act like a white man, Nexus321. Let's take this
country back and delouse it.
I don't know, what were you trying to say? That North Korea should be nuked, since they are "no angels"? no
matter what your personal opinion of them is, the fact, that they didn't attack anybody is still true!
"Since World War Two North Korea has not invaded anybody."
North Korea inarguably invaded the South. The arguable point might be whether or not it was provoked and
therefore a response.
I haven't read the histories the author cites, but I am aware of the history and the case that can be
made, and it is generally consonant with the gist of this article. The declaration of the DPRK came after
the US- backed Rhee declared the ROK and reneged on peninsula-wide elections that had been agreed to at the
UN. I guess you can call it a civil war, but that really isn't germane to the question: Why can the US not
stomach any rapprochement between the two de facto Koreas two-thirds of a century later, while it was
willing to accept a reunification of a historically more aggressive Germany?
Absolutely. There are suburbs coast to coast that depend on weapons manufacturing and all things defense.
They'll stick to the script.
I'm disappointed the author didn't embellish the truth of the Korean war – the way the US went after
civilians like the Nazis and used biological agents. Empire has a lot of secrets about fightin' communism
they still hide.
Screw the "family" mafia for the family is just as corrupt as the leaders you curse, do you really think the
family gives a shit about how many we killed in Asia, do you really think the family gives a shit about how
many we kill in the Mid-East or anywhere else for that matter,and what the country was founded on has no
bearing to what it is today, corrupt to the core, immoral degenerate with a fascist type government which the
"family" is just as guilty of as its leaders .
According to I.F. Stone in his "Hidden History of the Korean War" (1952), the intent of the Korean War was
to destabilize the Chinese Revolution which had consolidated power the year before. As Iraq was told that it
was acceptable to the USA if it reunified with Kuwait in 1993, so North Korea was suckered into attempting
to reunify their country. Those thirty atomic bombs were not intended for Korea which had already been
utterly destroyed by conventional weapons, they were meant for China. McArthur sacrificed a Marine division
by sending it without support to the border of China and predictably brought that country into the war; he
then demanded the nuclear bombing of China. Truman didn't go along and MacArthur was soon replaced. A fine
article from Mr. Pear.
Lots of good stuff but too sympathetic to North Korea which is ruled by a truly vile regime.
North Korea
is not about nationalism. It's about dynasticism. Also, 'Kim Il Sung' was not the real Kim Il Sung. His real name was Kim Sung Ju and he appropriated the
name of a guerrilla fighter. And his cult of personality was obnoxious.
Bak Jung-Hi worked for the Japanese, but collaboration is par for the course when resistance is futile.
Resistance became futile under Japanese who were only defeated by great powers. Sukarno collaborated with
Japanese too. And Kim collaborated with the Soviets. North Korea redistributed land to the peasants but then state collectivized the land, and the peasants
became slaves of the state.
The fact that Red China and communist Vietnam turned to market economics is proof that capitalism works
better than communism. Communism is like City Hall running all the economy of a big city. Who wants that?
The US has been threatening to use nukes against the DPRK during and since the war. Is it any wonder that
they decided to nuke up themselves as a deterrent? They're not going to give up their nuclear deterrent
under the bombast of threats of annihilation but are more likely to dig in and expand it. This doesn't seem
to be particularly complex or difficult to understand. Where does the US think it can go from here, what
does it think it could realistically do to them? It might be a good first step to stop the bluffing. Can we
say 'self-inflicted' when it comes to this confrontation?
{ Can we say 'self-inflicted' when it comes to this confrontation}
The confrontation is not
'inflicted
' as such: it was and is carefully planned.
This is not the first time South Korea has tried to approach North Korea: US previously also threatened SK
leaders, and forced them to back off.
US needs maximum tension on the Korean peninsula to have an excuse to keepa large contingent of armed
forces in the region. If South and North Korean make peace, US will be asked to leave SK.
Next might be Japan. Then US is completely cut out of the region.
So in desperation, US will do anything, possibly even instigating a military clash, to stay in SK and
Japan. Last thing US MIC wants anywhere in the world is peace: it's bad for business.
What we need are more psyops like the recent drill in Hawaii. More fear and loathing so empire can create a
virtual camp x-ray with live updates from Facebook and twitter to coddle the sheep. It's a shame North Korea
can't buy Democracy to keep it from Dying in Darkness.
But how dare Russia try to use our twitter weapon that we use on Americans that the Russians want to use on
Americans too.
Pussy hat controlled resistance, doom porn and fake antiwar will continue to play an
important part of the lives of the American porn consumer. In the name of security the CIA may give us the
race war, or hatred of the wealthy or the ol' immigrant rat trap. The possibilities are endless but the
dictatorship is making itself clear with endless promotion of scarcity through their scribes in social
media.
Post on social media everyday – what you think matters!
To make matters much more confusing, we have hypocritical stealth DOD contractors like Code Pink play up
fake resistance to the threat of war. Barging into meetings as if the whores on Capitol Hill are calling the
shots is an uniquely insidious form of stunt based propaganda. The motive for groups like Code Pink is to
have a group that part of the press can immediately call "far left, unpatrioric" endearing them to at least
half the sheep who are convinced they are the real McCoy of antiwar dynamite.
Code Pink first crushes any
questions about whether Democracy even exists in the USA. "Look at us, we are right here where it matters
isn't the country wonderful"
Then the absolute suffocation of anyone who dares question empires' gun running operations outside of
state approved stunt idiocy and clown show electoral politics.
Why did you omit the fact that the S Korean sex trade is completely run by S Koreans not Americans?
I do
remember an American colonel in the occupation forces stating that he basically ran a brothel.
The US has had sanctions on N. Korea for more than forty years.
During that period, more than one S, Korean government has entertained re-unification. The reason we
might challenge that reunion if because should we actually have to go to war at some point with China, a
friendly Korea with China would be a problem.
But what is driving unification at least when I visited was the population.
But the choice by Pres Trump to entertain conversation -- is a wise choice.
So? Most of the propaganda put out during the Cold War by the Soviet Union turned out to be more accurate
and closer to the truth than propaganda put out by the United States government though the US State
Department. For instance, Russia's version (at the time) as of what transpired immediately prior to and
after Francis Gary Powers was shot down over Russia in 1959 (?) turned out to be much more accurate than the
US's version which was essentially a pack of lies.
No idea what you're talking about with 'the Truth'. This article is highly accurate, it seems to me: it's
description of endless and ongoing US atrocities is absolutely true, as is the author's statement that never
has such a rotten, lying government existed, a government that perpetually provokes any and all countries on
earth, that hates peace, that destroys any attempts at decency. I have only read IF Stone, cited here, 'The
Hidden History of the Korean War' or something similar. It is a staggering book. Essentially the war was a
military exercise, a chance for troops to see action, test out new machines and weaponry. Most importantly,
my interpretation here, it presented a vast theater for psy ops and 'country building' ie utter destruction.
These kinds of great experiments are a Brit and by extension US govt specialty. This is really thinking big,
thinking long term. Cut countries in two after first murdering millions and utterly destroying literally
everything–in this case, for example, Seoul was literally first evacuated then set on fire by US troops,
just kinda for fun. It's the kind of really big thinking going on now too (and in all the intervening
years), eg with the utter destruction of Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yemen. Britain (a misnomer–it
is really England but wants others to share the burden. I mean, the Welsh??) did this to Ireland four
centuries ago, to India more recently, to mention nothing of Africa and others.
'Then there's a whole range of wild attacks and accusations going all the way back to 1871(!).'
It's
called history, not an American specialty. But rather important to understanding the present and future.
Your whole post is very ignorant.
It was the same in VietNam–we installed a dictator (Diem) who had lived mostly in the US, and reneged on the
national elections that had been agreed on as a part of the peace agreement after the French defeat.
After
JFK tried and lost, nothing has been able to stop the Military bla bla bla complex that actually rules this
country.
If South Korea officially requested this, would the US refuse?
Of course the USG would refuse such a request -- it thinks it is master of the world. The greatest hindrance
to world peace since WWII is the monster on the Potomac.
Michael Kenny's comment ignores the fact that the rocket motors could have been airshipped from the Dnipro factory directly to
DPRK, or even shipped by sea.
Maybe they came via China. The bottom line is we don't know when or how they got there.
What we do know is that Rocket Man's displays of prowess have brought things to a head in one of the Empire's critical nodes. The
background for this crisis is ROK's desire to participate in China's BRI. The chaebols are drooling over the opportunities, but DPRK
isolates them in the southern end of the Korean peninsula. Hence, Putin & Moon's joint announcement in Vladivostok of the "9
Bridges" initiative bringing DPRK into the Eurasian fold.
It would appear DPRK likes the idea, and the suddenness of the thaw in North – South relations is an indication that big wheels
are turning behind the scenes. The US' recent statements indicate it finally dawned on them as well, and that they are, in their
typically knee-jerk fashion, actively trying to torpedo further peaceful developments.
If ROK loosens its tethers to the US sufficiently to gain direct land access to the rest of Eurasia, Japan's Keiretsu will not
allow themselves to be sidelined. Abe & Putin have met 17 times, perhaps as a result of the pressures Abe is already feeling from
them.
The US' absurd statements, the patently silly "Vancouver Summit", the flip-flopping, all indicate that the US and its Imperial
satraps have no idea what to do in the face of Rocket Man's exposure of their irrelevance in the N.W. Pacific.
So let them, officially, invite us to leave.
My bet – and certainly my hope – is that we'd bow out, more
or less gracefully.
And if we refused – well, that would certainly clarify things.
The Korean Peninsula is cursed by geography. Reunification of Korea would mean one of two things.
1. A
Korean Peninsula allied with the US. This would put US troops on the Chinese border. No one should want
this. Too easy for a border incident to escalate into a war between the two most powerful countries and
economies on the planet.
2. A non-aligned Korean Peninsula. No way this would happen. Without US support the entire peninsula
would become a Chinese satellite. Japan fought two wars because it saw Chinese / Russian control of Korea as
an existential threat. Japan would get nukes if this happened and the entire NW Pacific would be greatly
destabilized.
The sad reality is that a buffer state in the north part of the Korean Peninsula is in the best interest
of South Korea, China, Russia, Japan and the US. What everyone needs to figure out is how to make N. Korea
more like East Germany, and less like Stalinist Russia at its worse.
"North Korea is not about nationalism. It's about dynasticism." -- Anon
Except that the current Kim may actually be a Korean nationalist, not a North Korean nationalist, in
which respect he is in agreement with all the Korean people. Korea will become reunited, but the price of
reunification may be, probably will be, that it will become part of Han China.
China regards Korea as it does Tibet, only more so -- as now and since ever throughout all time, as part
of China, speaking and writing Mandarin, integrated into the PRC economically, culturally and politically.
I'm sure this will please the anti-USA crowd gathering here around this article by Pear -- as they always
do to show support for any Leftist revisionist supporter of the "USA==Evil" dogma.
"Except that the current Kim may actually be a Korean nationalist, not a North Korean nationalist, in which
respect he is in agreement with all the Korean people. Korea will become reunited, but the price of
reunification may be, probably will be, that it will become part of Han China."
No, Little Rocket Man is a
self-centered spoiled brat who puts himself above all else. He was raised as a spoiled princeling and acts
like it.
"China regards Korea as it does Tibet, only more so -- as now and since ever throughout all time, as part
of China, speaking and writing Mandarin, integrated into the PRC economically, culturally and politically."
No, China always regarded Korea as a separate kingdom and left it alone as long as Korea paid tribute. It
was Japan that tried to swallow Korea twice, not China.
The only time Korea became part of Han Empire was when China itself was conquered by foreigners. Mongols
conquered China and Korea. Later, Manchus, using Mongol archers, also conquered China and Korea. It was not
China conquering Korea but non-Chinese conquering both.
Even so, the Manchus regarded Korea as a separate kingdom in the end.
Tibet is a different because of its small population. It's a huge area and had less than a million people
when it came under Han hegemony. Same with the Turkic Northwest. It's like US could easily swallow Alaska
and sparsely populated SW territories but didn't try to take Mexico proper.
In a way, Mongols really changed China and Russia. If not for Mongols, Russia might be much smaller and
China too. Both Russia and China were conservative powers. Russian expansion was paradoxically defensive as,
lacking sufficient natural barriers, Russia could only survive as an empire. Even so, Russians might not
have been interested in East Siberia and North Asia if not for concerns of invasions from the East.
Pacifying Siberia and North Asia became a priority because of the memory of threat from the East. Also, the
Mongols proved that the vast area could be traversed if the people had the will to do so.
And if not for Mongols, Current China might be much smaller. Han China used to be much smaller and was
restricted to the East Coast. Chinese were very conservative and not very adventurous, exploratory, and/or
invasive. Instead of trying to conquer northern territories, China just built walls to keep the barbarians
out. And Chinese had little interest in areas outside Han areas.
So, for most of Chinese history, their civilization was mostly along the east coast.
The massive expansion of Chinese borders happened under Mongols who
were
adventurous and expansive.
Mongols not only invaded China but went far beyond.
Later, the Manchus, using Mongol archers and warriors, expanded much further into the West, regions that the
Han Chinese mostly neglected. These semi-barbarian warlords had the aggressive zeal that the conservative
Han Chinese lacked.
Thus, it was Manchu-Mongol ambitions that expanded the size of China, and when the Manchus and Mongols were
either expelled from or dissolved into Han China, their conquests became absorbed into China. Mongolia would
be part of China too if not for Soviets. Like Tibet, Mongolia is huge and sparsely populated. Easier for
Chinese to control. Also, both Mongols and Tibetans are less developed than Koreans who are more adept at
imitation.
Likewise, Byzantine Greeks had an empire they inherited from the Romans.
"Highly unlikely. He called himself Kim Il Sung already when people who have met the original Kim Il Sung
were still around. Such change of identity is not impossible, but not too easy either."
No, 'Kim Il Sung'
was a fraud. He had been part of some resistance movement, but he was not THE Kim Il Sung who's more legend,
like Robin Hood.
Kim was so unknown in Korea that Soviets initially had trouble installing him as leader. Most people saw
him as Soviet stooge, which was what he was.
So, as in the South, the domestic patriots had to be repressed or executed, and a cult of personality had to
be built up around Kim that became more and more ridiculous.
Kim was an unimaginative Stalinist.
That said, I don't see how his 'invasion' of South was a bad thing. How can a Korean invade Korea? The
north/south divide was artificially imposed by great powers on a nation. As idiotic as both Kim and Rhee
were, there was nothing wrong in their dream of reuniting the nation. The great wrong was in the (1)
division of Korea itself (2) installing puppet rulers in both artificially created entities.
Suppose China and Russia divided Israel into north and south. Would it be wrong if either Israel, north
or south, tried to reunify the nation? If north Israel entered south Israel to unify the nation once again,
would that be 'invasion'?
Kim's Stalinism and personality cult would have been bad for Korea, but I don't see anything wrong with
his desire to unify his nation. And in that, Rhee had every right to want to unify the nation.
Where Rhee and Kim were idiotic was in blaming one another instead of blaming the great powers that
divided their nation. But how could either blame his sponsor? If not for USSR, Kim would not have been
installed as leader of north. If not for US, Rhee would not have been shoehorned in as leader of south. They
gained power as dogs to foreign masters.
If they really had sense, both would have stepped down as leader(as both were installed by empires) and
graciously allowed for unification and new leadership chosen by the people than by foreign powers. But both
had petty egos, and Kim wanted to be ruler of all Korea, and Rhee wanted to be ruler of all Korea. Neither
blamed the great powers but just one another.
If Israel were divided by great powers, I think Jews would have enough sense to come together and act in
unison. After all, Israel itself was created by the coming together of all kinds of Jews: capitalist,
communist, socialist, liberal, conservative, secular, religious. Jews may be neurotic and crazy, but they
have enough sense of world affairs and the nature of power.
But Koreans are a stupid people. Divide them and set them against each other like dogs, and they are like
two pitbulls. A culture of slavish servitude and emotions-over-reason made them act like dogs than sensible
humans.
When the british empire ended, I think a lot of borders were drawn to create ever lasting problems/conflicts.
Israel was also it's creation with american backing of course.
When are the American people going to wise up to the US propaganda and false cries that the evil wolf
is at the door
I doubt the masses will ever awake from the constant propaganda. I mean, all major information outlet is
controlled. and besides, the smart ones also believe it is necessary to keep their way of life.
ask any american if their way of life will end, everything will become 100% more expensive, they can no
longer take vacations, work twice as hard for the same pay or less, they will instantly think nothing of the
current wars
very, very very few people are selfless humanists.
I am just scare of the fact if usa attacks NK unilaterally in the near future, china will get involved =
WW3 + maybe nuclear war.
I read similar drooling nonsense to what you just wrote all over the internet: "Look, first off, I
don't support the guy but this is obvious lefty slander".
Ok. You don't support the guy but you need to qualify that non-support by saying he's being impuded.
In other words you support the guy, warning of the coming leftists
– Anonymous
What am I supposed to asy? "I feel your pain" or what? I mean you have to read "similar drooling nonsense
all over the internet" so what?
First off, it's not that I don't support Pear, but I actually condemn him as a Leftist revisionist. And
then there's no' but', there's an
'and' it's obvious lefty drool.
BTW, my "non-support" for Pear is
unqualified, as is my disrespect for you,, Anonymous. Are yoo actually Pear writing under that pseudonym?
No, 'Kim Il Sung' was a fraud. He had been part of some resistance movement, but he was not THE Kim Il
Sung who's more legend, like Robin Hood.
He was made into such a legend by North Korean propaganda after Kim became the leader. He was the most
daring Korean guerrilla commander, but that's not saying very much, because he couldn't do much against the
Japanese.
Kim was an unimaginative Stalinist.
Oh, he had a lot of imagination and original ideas. They led to a dystopia, but original he was. He also
was a skillful and daring politician, who managed to get rid of his pro-China and pro-Soviet factions
simultaneously in the late 1950s, at a time when he depended on both. That was quite bold and required a lot
of political skills. Founding a dynasty in a nominally Marxist-Leninist society was not very easy either.
There was some opposition to it even among his otherwise loyal associates, who wanted a normal communist
succession with one of the top dogs becoming the new leader.
"Oh, he had a lot of imagination and original ideas. They led to a dystopia, but original he was."
He was
shrewd, not original. But then, he was surrounded by second-raters and hacks, not men of talent.
"He also was a skillful and daring politician, who managed to get rid of his pro-China and pro-Soviet
factions simultaneously in the late 1950s, at a time when he depended on both. That was quite bold and
required a lot of political skills."
No, purges were quite common in Stalinist systems. Stalin, Mao, Tito, and the rest all purged 'bad
elements'. Nothing original about that.
And it's not so much that he got rid of pro-China-elements and pro-Soviet-elements as he balanced them out.
If not for the Korean War, he would have leaned to the USSR. But China played such a huge role in the war
that it gave him an opportunity to lean to China as well. so, he played on both USSR and China for aid. Now,
where he was skillful was maintaining this balance even after the Sino-Soviet rift.
"Founding a dynasty in a nominally Marxist-Leninist society was not very easy either. There was some
opposition to it even among his otherwise loyal associates, who wanted a normal communist succession with
one of the top dogs becoming the new leader."
It turned out to be pretty easy because he did it and then his son did it too. It was easy because North
Korea under Kim was more about the dynasty than ideology. People were raised to worship Kim, not to think
ideologically. And Kim surrounded himself with yes-men and hacks. If there was overt opposition, it was
easily dealt with. The gulag.
Kim was a stupid bumpkin who got to leader because Stalin saw him as pliable and obedient.
The US was largely responsible for the division of Korea and backing dictatorships in South Korea
until 1993. Americans do not know the US treachery, but Koreans do. Why would they trust the USA now?
Most SKoreans do not know, either. And those who do and talk about it probably risk imprisonment for
treason.
Moon's predecessor Park Geun-hye sang from the US hymnbook until she got caught with her hand in the
cookie jar. In 2017 the South Korean people went to the street and demanded the granddaughter of former
dictator Park Chung Hee be impeached, and now she is in prison.
She is the daughter.
Korea itself has not invaded anybody since the 16th century.
Korea was invaded by Japan in the 16th century. It's difficult to pinpoint when Korea invaded anyone.
We'd have to go back to a time prior to their nominal unification at least in the 7th century.
The Korean Peninsula is cursed by geography. Reunification of Korea would mean one of two things.
It's the 21st century. There's no curse of geography. It's a global village. Trade is global.
Communication is global. Cultural exchange is global. It has a combined population of 70M. SKorea is
technologically/economically advanced. Its biggest threat is its own lethargy/apathy.
The sad reality is that a buffer state in the north part of the Korean Peninsula is in the best
interest of South Korea, China, Russia, Japan and the US.
No, that's only in the best interest of the US and Japan.
Why did you omit the fact that the S Korean sex trade is completely run by S Koreans not Americans?
Sounds familiar. That's what Japan says about WWII sex slaves.
I do remember an American colonel in the occupation forces stating that he basically ran a brothel.
The subtext being that SKorea turned itself into a brothel? US forces, war and starvation had nothing to
do with women selling their bodies to survive?
I agree. As much as I hate to admit as much, and also being a veteran, the USA government is rotten to the
core. Manipulation and coercion all across the board. Hard to escape the feeling we will pay for these
misdeeds somewhere along the way. Cosmic Justice demands as much. Neither nation nor person can continue on
in such manner indefinitely. USA is the agitator. If the Koreans could just tell Uncle Sam (er . Sap) to
pack his bags and get out of Dodge, they would be on their way to a much better future. nx
You're just going along with this article and making up shit. That's not something Americans did. Your
people are the ones who are mentally and spiritually enslaved by the British till this day. Your people are
so engrained with wanting to be White, even after your motherland was invaded, occupied, murdered by the
British, that your people bleach their skin and praise, put a whites on a pedestal, and strive to be like
their oppressors.
The reason why the United States doesn't want the two Koreas to reunify, is because if they reunite, the
United States loses its revenue. South Korea pays to have American soldiers stationed in their country. The
U.S. sells it's weapons to South Korea, out of fear mongering. The longer the U.S. can keep the two Koreas
separated, the more they can make money off of the fear of war. War creates revenue for the United States.
That's why we keep going at it with the Middle East. It's always the U.S. going to war with others, usually,
over false pretenses. Let's not forget, how we lied about weapons of mass destruction to go to war with
Iraq. Fear mongering, allows the U.S. government to sell weapons to not only South Korea, but to other
countries in Asia. That's why.
Korea, is actually blessed by geography. They're not in Europe & part of the E.U. So they're not forced to
have migrants by the millions in their country against their will, with open borders. They're not located
where the U.S. is, where Latinos invade their country by the thousands. They're not where Japan is, to get
butt raped by mother nature and thank goodness, they're not located where china is. I visited china. It was
horrid. Korea's ecosystem is rich, diverse & unique because it's a peninsula. China, never controlled Korea.
If anything, Korea fought against china, defeating them many times throughout history. They did this before
America existed. Koreans are clever people who have a strong military and several decades of stockpiled
weapons on hand, along with new ones. They don't need American soldiers in Korea after reunification, to
protect them. Japan, is afraid Korea will reunify, because that means Korea will be even stronger. The same
goes for china. A stronger one unified Korea, is a threat to other Asian countries.
You've worked for "Samsung." Lol. and I'm the King of England. China, has the highest suicide rate per
capita. 22.24 for every 100,000. That makes them the country with the highest suicide rate in the world.
Japan is close behind.
By the way, japan, has the lowest birth rate in Asia. They're not reproducing enough male japanese babies to
replace the old, sickly, & dying in the work place. Japan, is screwed. Again, deflecting other's short
comings on to Korea.
It's actually the Middle East, Dubai, that is the plastic surgery capital of the world. They get the most
rhinoplasties. Plastic surgeons go there months out of the year, to make the most amount of money in the
shortest amount of time. Then it's the United States & the UK close behind. Plastic surgery is on the rise
in ethnic chinese countries, like taiwan, hong kong, & singapore, china, japan, & in southeast asian
countries, like philippines, thailand, veitnam, and indonesia, more than ever. As of 2017, these asian
countries get the most procedures done & they compete with each other in who does it the most percentage
wise. No one wants to admit their race of people get plastic surgeries, so they deflect, finger point to
others, especially to better looking people as an excuse as to why others are far more attractive than their
ugly selves. (I'm pointing at you.) Asians do it out of jealousy. They can't stand seeing a Korean get
compliments. Whites get the most plastic surgeries in the West, but asians don't finger point at them,
unless they're discriminated by Whites, because asians think Koreans are far better looking than Whites.
I'll have to remind you that if Korea, in which this is all true, have a technologically advanced country,
are an advanced people, who excel in intelligence, inventions, sports, have a booming economy, are talented,
have the most popular genres of music in the world and one of the most addictive forms of entertainment, (K
pop) and Korean dramas, movies, have the most amazing style unlike other races & nationalities, both men and
women have the best complexions, their skincare products are the most popular in the world, that do what
they say, have two electrictronic companies in which one has completely dominated the globe, a successful
car manufacturing industry, Korean foods & alcohol, that all races love, an amazing rich history unlike any
other, which draws people in to want to learn more about Koreans, the first in asia to always break records
and make history, before any other asian country, the most popular race in asia, and the best looking in
asia and in my opinion, better looking than any other race of people other than some Whites. So with all
these great attributes Korea has, there's no reason to think and hate on them or to think they're less in
any way, unless one is a jealous person or a whole jealous race of people who only hate online, because they
themselves, don't have any of these attributes the Koreans have, hence, making them haters like you, whether
you're asian or not.
If Kiev wants to attack Donbas they better hurry. After World Cup, and definitely next year
when the pipelines bypassing Ukraine will be ready, Ukraine's strategic situation will get
worse. We are in a transition phase: sh..t happened in 2013-15 that is impossible to undo,
but there were fortunately constraints on all sides that prevented a meltdown. In a year or
two most of those constraints will be gone.
Saker is correct that EU countries will not work with Russia. Blaming it all on Washington
was always stupid – there are forces in Europe, in all countries, who want a
confrontation with Russia. Any event, real or fake, will be used to escalate. West cannot
lose this one without another fight. And if they sit on their hands, they will eventually
lose with a disillusioned Ukraine and slowly disintegrating EU. Populist energy needs to be
re-directed eastward, and for that a more aggressive policy is required. This is not
pessimism, there simply is no way for EU elite to climb down. How could UK make up with
Russia without looking like complete idiots? Or Macron and Merkel? The hostility is at this
point inherent in the situation – what started out as a badly thought-out attempt to
get some quick goodies (bases in Crimea, Nato expansion, sell weapons) has evolved into a
real death spiral.
We are one Franz Ferdinand moment away from a catastrophe. Let's enjoy the games while we
still can. Trump knows this, so he is trying desperately to organize a summit or send some
messages of conciliation. But he is powerless and it might be too late for that. Hubris never
dissipates, it requires a disaster and an elite turnover to cure hubris.
Saker is once again completely wrong. His theories fall short to explain lots of real events.
He got hooked on his "Anglo-Zionist" theory and "one Hegemon", which is far from explaining
the reality on the ground. There is no one single hegemon, but two powerful interest groups
in the west. One of the power centers is dominated by the Rothschilds from the City of London
and the other ruled by the Rockerfellers which is based in the US.
The powers described above are sometimes working in collusion but sometimes work against each
other (They were in collusion during the Soviet Afghan war for instance). Currently, we don't
see a collusion but a war being waged in between these two groups. I think it is highly self
evident, so much so that it is happening almost all in the open. In the modern history we
haven't witnessed such a openly fought war ever before (between these two powers). All is at
stake and the war in between these two is vicious. Thus you can explain Trump's attitude
towards EU, everlasting character assasination of Trump by certain opposing circles in the
US, high level resignations, the state of confusion of Nato and much more. If this theory is
right (and I think it is much more viable than any other theory that I came across in the
Alt-Med), this makes Russia firmly embedded into one of the camps. Unfortunately, the
position that Russia took makes him not a sovereign power but on contrary puts him into a
subservient role. The late actions of Russia, especially in Syria, is quite telling. I know
people who admire Russia get quite frustrated when they hear such a scenario and outcome, but
this is possibly the only way Putin believes that Russia can survive. Thus it explains his
latest house clean-up of Euroasian integrists. Even worse, if you believe in this scenario,
it brings Russia and China against each other especially in the long run. This scenario also
put a full stop to the idealist Euroasian multi-polar world order.
Here is the link to an older video in Russian with English subtitles. The guy's name is
Andrei Fursov and he has some interesting things to say regarding this subject. This
interview was just before Obama was elected but is still quite relevent. His newer videos
seems to have lost steam, possibly because he is working for some state connected Russian
institutions and think-thanks and thus I think he is somewhat restricted. After all it is
again the famous "Game Theory", isn't it?
I don't think you realize that armies need supplies. To break into Donbas cities would be
hard enough, but to re-supply them would be impossible. Civilians would mostly evacuate, so
there would be little to 'hide in'. Kiev cannot win militarily as long as Russia opposes it.
Russia can always blast their bases from air, or with missiles. Don't kid yourself, if Russia
has the will, they will prevail.
Since you mentioned 2014, there was a perfect opportunity for Maidanistas to avoid this.
All they had to do was to be friendly and accommodating to its Russian minority. Offer them
autonomy, re-assure them, promise that trade and ties with Russia would continue. Kiev did
the exact opposite, an extremely bad tactic. US kept on telling them to cool it, that one
doesn't win by attacking before ready. But in Kiev emotions prevailed, and so we are where we
are.
Sooner or later a more accommodating government in Kiev will try the 'let bygones be
bygones' tactic on Russia. If we are lucky enough to make it that far.
"... Counting the shooting of JFK in 1963, and the shooting-wouding of Ronald Reagan in 1981 by a guy whose father was working for George Bush's brother (!), plus the two arguably-staged 'impeachments' of Richard Nixon (ending 1974) and Bill Clinton (ending 1999), you have a 40% removal-programme hit rate on the previous 10 US Presidents. ..."
Nice account of 'getting woke' from Ron Unz quite appreciate the tidbits such as the mention
of the once-very-famous Dorothy Kilgallen of the 'What's My Line?' TV show (1950-67)
Counting the shooting of JFK in 1963, and the shooting-wouding of Ronald Reagan in
1981 by a guy whose father was working for George Bush's brother (!), plus the two
arguably-staged 'impeachments' of Richard Nixon (ending 1974) and Bill Clinton (ending 1999),
you have a 40% removal-programme hit rate on the previous 10 US Presidents.
Maybe even more hidden from public knowledge, is the truth of the Watergate 'Silent Coup'
(Colodny / Gettlin book). Bob Woodward was a US Navy intelligence agent under Admiral Maurer,
and when Maurer became head of the US Joint Chiefs and thus the entire US military, Woodward
was planted at the CIA's Washington Post to be the fake 'brave reporter' for the coup
d'état of 'Watergate', entirely a US Joint Chiefs -- CIA operation. Bob Woodward was
apparently such an idiot re journalism at first he needed lots of remedial coaching to meet
minimal standards.
'Deep Throat' was fiction, the CIA had all the info, the CIA fake 'leaker' is another big
distraction game getting repeated (Daniel Ellsberg; Deep Throat; Wikileaks Assange who was
admitted by both Brzezinski and Netanyahu to be fake, seems he isn't even really 'living' at
the London Ecuador Embassy, faker
Edward Snowden , first 'leaking' to the CIA's Washington Post, ha!, with Glenn Greenwald
posing as the latest Jewish 'brave journalist'; Mossad-historian-supervised 'Panama Papers',
etc.)
Another 'impeachment' farce was the Deep State 'Monica Lewinsky' nonsense against Bill
Clinton, fired up when Bill balked in nausea, at the thought of ordering the war-crime
bombing of Serbia that would kill thousands. For Clinton-Lewinsky, another Jewish figure,
Matt Drudge, was propped up to play the Woodward role of 'great investigative reporter' When
Clinton consented to approve the war as his way to stay alive, he was 'acquitted' -- the
bombings of Serbia began shortly afterwards. Clearly, the Deep State cannot even trust its
highly pre-vetted White House occupants.
Now that the Unz site is on board with collusion in US President removals, we still have
to get Unz site writers woke on the laughably fake 9 'trips to the moon' with 6 alleged 'moon
landings' of 1968-72 regarding which director Stanley Kubrick even admitted before in March
1999 before he died, that he faked the 'moon landing' NASA videos (CIA movie studios, Laurel
Canyon, California) 50th anniversary of the 'trips to the moon' starts this December a good
time for Unz debunking
Counting the shooting of JFK in 1963, and the shooting-wouding of Ronald Reagan in 1981 by
a guy whose father was working for George Bush's brother (!), plus the two arguably-staged
'impeachments' of Richard Nixon (ending 1974) and Bill Clinton (ending 1999), you have a 40%
removal-programme hit rate on the previous 10 US Presidents.
Notable quotes:
"... Counting the shooting of JFK in 1963, and the shooting-wouding of Ronald Reagan in 1981 by a guy whose father was working for George Bush's brother (!), plus the two arguably-staged 'impeachments' of Richard Nixon (ending 1974) and Bill Clinton (ending 1999), you have a 40% removal-programme hit rate on the previous 10 US Presidents. ..."
"... Ron's suspicions may be correct. However, I am bothered by two things left out of his article: the identity of the conspirators and their motivation. What was President Kennedy doing that had to be stopped? ..."
One of the main reasons why "conspiracy theory" is used in the pejorative sense:
After JFK was killed, there were many articles and books written claiming a conspiracy.
And then nothing happened.
At some level, most Americans are still convinced that the police and prosecutors are
looking out for them: If it really were proved that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, of
course the conspirators would be prosecuted, right?
The same is true of the "suicide" of Gary Webb, the man who uncovered Iran Contra. He was
found with an alleged suicide note, and two gunshot wounds to the back of the head. The
coroner ruled his death a suicide. Case closed.
The thing is, the kind of high-level people who're generally accused of wanting to murder
poor, poor, innocent JFK both knew that at worst, he'd be gone by January 21, 1969, and knew
more than enough about him to come up with a much better plan. Getting "Dr. Feelgood," with
or without his conscious cooperation, to give JFK a "hot shot" would do the trick just fine,
as would sending in a "bimbo" with a cyanide injector in her beehive hairdo. First rule of
this as in many other things -- KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid!)
The kinds of scenarios I've seen from conspiracy believers are so complicated and iffy
that they make Jimmy Carter's "Operation Eagle Claw" look like a sure-fire, can't-lose
winner. Having Oswald be the only shooter makes sense, and comports with what we know of
Oswald's personality. The men who've murdered other presidents were generally attention
sponges with an exaggerated view of their importance in the scheme of things. Oswald thought
he was rightfully a world-shaking hero, instead of the twerp he was, but compared to Charles
Guiteau (who shot James Garfield) Oswald was a shrinking violet.
In criminal investigations the first question always is 'who benefits'.
The weird thing in political suspicious deaths is that this question is seldom asked.
This is the case with, to name a few, Sikorsky, Kennedy, Palme, Anna Lyndh,
Hammarskjöld, Diana, Hess, Pearl Harbour, Sept 11, MH17, MH370, Bernadotte, Barschel,
there must be more.
In the Kennedy case, he was killed some two weeks after he had threatened Israel not to sell
weapons any more, if they continued building the atomic bomb.
Both patsies Harvey Lee Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan were selected with respect to the legends,
real or synthetic, that could be used in the post assassination story spin off. In both cases
the legends were to deflect the attention form the actual conspirators. In the case of Oswald
it was his defection to the USSR. Involvement of Soviets in the assassination was an option
that was not played in the media in the end but it could have been if the lone nut assassin
narrative for some reason could not gain the traction. In the case of Sirham his legend as a
disgruntled Palestinian who was upset with RFK's alleged support for Israel was played to the
full extent. It was done for two reasons: (1) to decouple JFK assassination from RFK
assassination; crazy lone nut Texan American and crazy lone nut Arab Palestinian had only one
thing in common: being a crazy lone nut, and (2) paint RFK as a martyr for his pro Israel
views. The second spin off was risky because it brought Israel into the story, nevertheless
the conspirators thought it was important and took the risk so the could make out of RFK the
first (and the only one so far afaik) American politician who died for his pro Israel
position. This certainly pushed away any suspicions that Israel might have been involved or
could have benefited from his assassination. Sirhan Sirhan legend was also used to foreshadow
Palestinian terrorism that began to grow in the wake of the Six Day War of 1967.
Try taking a look at 'Prayer Man', most likely the image of Lee Harvey Oswald on the front
steps of the TSBD building shortly after the shooting. A good introduction can be found at
http://22november1963.org.uk/prayer-man-jfk-assassination
The 1991 Oliver Stone movie unblocked many Americans to think about and consider the
conspiracy behind the assassination. Still four years earlier Stanley Kubrick was reinforcing
the meme of Lee Harvey Oswald in Full Metal Jacket:
Excellent article, Ron. Thankyou for writing this.
On his deathbed, CIA Agent E. Howard Hunt confessed to being involved in the JFK
assassination. He implicated other intelligence agents and Vice-President LBJ. Watch this
short video here in which he confesses.
If anyone wants to understand the JFK assassination in more detail, I highly recommend
watching Oliver Stone's movie JFK. Here's a very good part of the movie that explains how
Oswald couldn't have shot JFK, as Oswald was behind JFK and JFK's head snaps back and to the
left. So the true assassin must've been in the front (his shot knocked JFK's head back)
– and couldn't have been Oswald. Watch the video below. "Back and to the left."
Here's an interesting video on how many JFK assassination witnesses died mysterious
deaths. Start watching this video from 1:50. Particularly interesting is that on the day when
the House tried to get George De Mohrenschildt (a close friend of Oswald and a very prominent
socialite in Dallas) to testify, he was found death. The death was ruled a suicide.
Jack Ruby (the Dallas club owner who assasinated Oswald) claimed that LBJ had JFK
assassinated. See video below.
He also claimed a conspiracy was keeping him from speaking. See video below.
When JFK was assassinated, there was a man with an umbrella who was right next to the
president. It was an extremely sunny day in Dallas on that day. Why was the man holding the
umbrella? Reporter Bill O'Reilly reports evidence that the "Umbrella Man" may have used the
umbrella to fire a dart into JFK. Interestingly, the CIA had developed a dart weapon before
that date. See this video below. Starts at 40 seconds.
Dr. Charles Crenshaw (who treated JFK's bullet wound and went on to become ) claimed that
the entry points of 2 of the wounds he observed were in the front of JFK's throat. Therefore,
the assassin must've been in the front and couldn't have been Oswald. He also claimed that
the wound was tampered with to make it seem the bullet came from behind.
"Dark Journalist" has a very good video on the JFK assassination.
Here's an interesting video of Dan Rather lying about the JFK assassination. This news clip
was made shortly after the assassination. Dan Rather told the American viewing public that
JFK's head went forward after he was shot. Later, it would be revealed that Dan Rather had
lied that day.
By the way, you always hear the Warren Commission found that there was no conspiracy and
that Oswald was the "lone gunman." However, in 1976, the House of Representatives
investigated the matter and concluded that there was a conspiracy behind the JFK
assassination. The assasination involved multiple gunmen. The media never reports this.
The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was
established in 1976 to investigate the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther
King, Jr. The HSCA completed its investigation in 1978 and issued its final report the
following year, concluding that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a
conspiracy. In addition to acoustic analysis of a police channel dictabelt recording,[1]
the HSCA also commissioned numerous other scientific studies of assassination-related
evidence that corroborate the Warren Commission's findings.[2]
Here's a very persuasive History Channel video on how LBJ had JFK killed.
Also, the military-industrial complex wanted to escalate the war in Vietnam.
By the way, it's sort of interesting how the mysterious Gulf of Tonkin incident led to a
huge war in Vietnam.
This video demonstrates how wildly implausible it was that Oswald pulled the trigger. The
FBI couldn't replicate Oswald's supposed shooting with their best shooters.
FBI didn't find a palm print on Oswald's rifle. Then, a week later, a Dallas policeman
found a palm print on the rifle.
"We're through the looking glass people. White is black – and black is white."
Nice account of 'getting woke' from Ron Unz quite appreciate the tidbits such as the mention
of the once-very-famous Dorothy Kilgallen of the 'What's My Line?' TV show (1950-67)
Counting the shooting of JFK in 1963, and the shooting-wouding of Ronald Reagan in 1981 by
a guy whose father was working for George Bush's brother (!), plus the two arguably-staged
'impeachments' of Richard Nixon (ending 1974) and Bill Clinton (ending 1999), you have a 40%
removal-programme hit rate on the previous 10 US Presidents.
Maybe even more hidden from public knowledge, is the truth of the Watergate 'Silent Coup'
(Colodny / Gettlin book). Bob Woodward was a US Navy intelligence agent under Admiral Maurer,
and when Maurer became head of the US Joint Chiefs and thus the entire US military, Woodward
was planted at the CIA's Washington Post to be the fake 'brave reporter' for the coup
d'état of 'Watergate', entirely a US Joint Chiefs – CIA operation. Bob Woodward
was apparently such an idiot re journalism at first he needed lots of remedial coaching to
meet minimal standards.
'Deep Throat' was fiction, the CIA had all the info, the CIA fake 'leaker' is another big
distraction game getting repeated (Daniel Ellsberg; Deep Throat; Wikileaks Assange who was
admitted by both Brzezinski and Netanyahu to be fake, seems he isn't even really 'living' at
the London Ecuador Embassy, faker
Edward Snowden , first 'leaking' to the CIA's Washington Post, ha!, with Glenn Greenwald
posing as the latest Jewish 'brave journalist'; Mossad-historian-supervised 'Panama Papers',
etc.)
Another 'impeachment' farce was the Deep State 'Monica Lewinsky' nonsense against Bill
Clinton, fired up when Bill balked in nausea, at the thought of ordering the war-crime
bombing of Serbia that would kill thousands. For Clinton-Lewinsky, another Jewish figure,
Matt Drudge, was propped up to play the Woodward role of 'great investigative reporter' When
Clinton consented to approve the war as his way to stay alive, he was 'acquitted' – the
bombings of Serbia began shortly afterwards. Clearly, the Deep State cannot even trust its
highly pre-vetted White House occupants.
Now that the Unz site is on board with collusion in US President removals, we still have
to get Unz site writers woke on the laughably fake 9 'trips to the moon' with 6 alleged 'moon
landings' of 1968-72 regarding which director Stanley Kubrick even admitted before in March
1999 before he died, that he faked the 'moon landing' NASA videos (CIA movie studios, Laurel
Canyon, California) 50th anniversary of the 'trips to the moon' starts this December a good
time for Unz debunking
Follow the Jack Ruby trail: If Oswald was "just a patsy," the first thing to do is to
investigate on the man who silenced Oswald, thereby preventing any doubts being raised in a
court case. Strangely enough, no one (not even Ruby's biographer Seth Kantor) seem to care
that Jack Ruby's real name was Jacob Leon Rubenstein.
Allow me to quote from my earlier
article, and add a few details: Ruby, the son of Jewish Polish immigrants, was a member of
the Jewish underworld. He was a friend of Los Angeles gangster Mickey Cohen, whom he had
known and admired since 1946. Cohen was the successor of the famed Benjamin Siegelbaum, aka
Bugsy Siegel, one of the bosses of Murder Incorporated.
Cohen was infatuated with the Zionist
cause, as he explained in his memoirs: "Now I got so engrossed with Israel that I actually
pushed aside a lot of my activities and done nothing but what was involved with this Irgun
war". Mickey Cohen was in contact with Menachem Begin, the former Irgun chief, with whom he
even "spent a lot of time," according to Gary Wean, former detective sergeant for the Los
Angeles Police Department. So there is a direct line connecting Jack Ruby, via Mickey Cohen,
to the Israeli terrorist ring, and in particular to Menachem Begin, a specialist in false
flag terror. We also know that Ruby phoned Al Gruber, a Mickey Cohen associate, just after
Oswald's arrest; no doubt he received then "an offer he couldn't refuse," as they say in the
underworld. Ruby's defense lawyer William Kunstler wrote in his memoirs that Ruby told him he
had killed Oswald "for the Jews," and Ruby's rabbi Hillel Silverman received the same
confession when visiting Ruby in jail.
Probably as a cryptic message to Johnson, whom he expected to pardon him, Ruby made the
following odd statements to the Warren Commission: "There will be a certain tragic occurrence
happening if you don't take my testimony and somehow vindicate me so my people don't suffer
because of what I have done." He said that feared that his act would be used "to create some
falsehood about some of the Jewish faith."
According to a declassified US State Department document, Israeli Foreign Minister Golda Meir
reacted to the news that Ruby had just killed Oswald with this sentence: "Ruby is alive, Oy
vaaboy if we get caught!" (quoted in Alan Hart, Zionism , vol. 2, p. 279).
Make it three assassinated Kennedys, with JFK Jr. Hell, make it four, counting his unborn
child : On July 20, 1999, the New York Daily News published a piece by Joel Siegel
titled: "JFK Jr. Mulled Run for Senate in 2000". The page seems to have just been deleted,
but I had saved it, so I reproduce the first lines : "A private poll in 1997 found that John
F. Kennedy Jr. was by far the state's most popular Democrat, and two friends said yesterday
they believed he would have run for office some day. Earlier this year, in one of the
best-kept secret in state politics, Kennedy considered seeking the seat of retiring Sen.
Daniel Moynihan " Moynihan was a former Kennedy associate, so it is likely that he would have
supported JFK Jr.'s bid. And recall that the same seat had once been held by RFK. So JFK Jr.
was walking on his father's and his uncle's footsteps. They saw him coming, and decided to
eliminate him before his ambitions even became public. Guess who won the seat, after JFK Jr.
died in a mysterious plane crash: Hillary Clinton.
What would JFK Jr. have done next if he had been allowed to walk this path? Well, if you want
to know what was on his mind, check some of the covers of his magazine George on
https://www.vfiles.com/vfiles/16372 You will see
that he was obsessed with "conspiracy theories":
In a special "Conspiracy Issue", October 1998, George published a piece by Oliver
Stone, director of the film JFK, titled "Paranoid and Proud of it". Earlier in December 1996,
the cover announces an article on "TWA Conspiracy Theories" (about TWA 800). And in March
1997, another conspiracy theory under the title "Who was behind the killing of Yitzhak
Rabin?". And so on.
Considering that JFK Jr.'s unborn child also died with him, and if we follow the logic of
Ronald Kessler, author of The Sins of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He
Founded (1996) (a message to JFK Jr.?), then three generations of Kennedys were punished
for "the sins of the father". That fulfills Exodus 20:5: "I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous
god and I punish a parent's fault in the children, the grandchildren, and the
great-grandchildren among those who hate me."
People conspire all the time. A board of directors gathering for their annual meeting is
literally a conspiracy: they are conspiring to plan the company's trajectory over some period
of time.
Do people ever conspire nefariously? Well, what is the first thing investigators will do
when looking into a company like Enron? That's right, they will subpoena email records,
because despite the negative connotation surrounding the term "conspiracy theory," people
implicitly sense and really know that *this is exactly the kind of shit that happens all the
time*.
For example, the Seth Rich murder, as its official story goes is literally a conspiracy.
Two MS-13 members conspired to rob Mr. Rich while he was walking home from a bar. Why is it
that people will believe that two people will conspire over a few hundred bucks, but refuse
to believe powerful people will conspire over tens or hundreds of billions? Only because of
media programming.
Once you unplug from the Matrix, so much that never made sense comes into clarity. Thanks,
Mr. Unz for your tireless work and financial contributions to the American Pravda series.
I've learned so much and it has been integral to my eyes being opened over the last four
years.
I think we all know the JFK-assassination was a conspiracy. Oswald was the patsy.
But, we do not know for sure who participated in the conspiracy.
The report by the Warren commission was a cover up. CIA Director McCone was "complicit" in
a Central Intelligence Agency "benign cover-up" by withholding information from the Warren
Commission, according to a report by the CIA Chief Historian David Robarge released to the
public in 2014.[24] According to this CIA report, CIA officers had been instructed to give
only "passive, reactive, and selective" assistance to the commission, in order to keep the
commission focused on "what the Agency believed at the time was the 'best truth' -- that Lee
Harvey Oswald, for as yet undetermined motives, had acted alone in killing John Kennedy."
Witholding evidence in order to cover up a crime is usually done because of involvement in
the crime. Thus, it is most likely that the CIA was involved in the Kennedy
Assassination.
What evil consumes the innocents?
What witch stages these mind control spectacles? I add one bread crumb to the Ron Unz Trail, through the deep dark forest of the fairy tale of our lives.
No matter who you are, we have a vector for you!
"Lane, it should be noted, was in U.S. Army intelligence in post-war Germany in 1945-47.
This is the branch that became the C.I.A. after the war. Lane was paid some $5 million in
legal fees by the Liberty Lobby, according to a veteran of the lobby. None of this is widely
known among the people who read and support American Free Press. It is important because it
shows how a Zionist Jew from the C.I.A. can actually control a movement that purports to be
working for the American patriot audience. "
Ron's suspicions may be correct. However, I am bothered by two things left out of his
article: the identity of the conspirators and their motivation. What was President Kennedy
doing that had to be stopped? Fifty-five years have passed without any conspirator's deathbed
confession. Gerald Posner's Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of J. F.
K. seemed convincing to me when I read it many years ago. One fact that struck me as
specially persuasive was that the kindly Quaker woman who was sheltering Marina Oswald and
baby saw an ad in the paper for a job at the Book Depository building and pointed it out to
Oswald who applied for the job and got it sometime before the route of the Kennedy drive past
the building was chosen and published. Perhaps Mr. Unz might share his opinion of Posner's
book with us.
Take the pain to read actual eyewitness testimonies from medical personnel who attended
President Kennedy when taken to Parkland hospital after being shot.
That may stop you from embarrassing yourself defending the ludicrous lone gunman
theory.
Wonder if anyone read the Warren Report.
Reading it I got the same feeling as, in the seventies, when I still believed mainstream
history, reading Churchill's memoirs: too good to be true.
Harold Weisberg, 'Whitewash – the report on the Warren Report', 1965, 1966, New York
tears Warren to shreds.
It is a sad comment on mental pliability of US public that someone as perspicacious as Ron
Unz could have for so long subscribed to "single gunman" (alright, he was not single, Oswald
was married) "theory".
I came of age much more recently and my encounters with JFK and RFK's assassinations were all
about supposed conspiracies. If anything, there seems to be a conspiracy to make you think
there's a conspiracy.
Furthermore, it is pretty easy to kill someone so, if there was a conspiracy to kill those
two, goodness knows why the conspirators would not just use more subtle methods
All of these types of theories always seem to end up with their hypothesiser pointing out
inconsistencies in the historical account of incredibly complex events while, at best, only
proposing a much more inconsistent alternative.
Conspirator super genius: how shall we kill him?
Conspirator normal: we could give him an aneurysm so he dies in his sleep in the middle of
the night. It would be utterly untraceable and medically unsuspicious. Indeed, if we do it
when he has one of his girls round, then that will stop further questions.
Conspirator super genius: no, we should stage an assasination in the open. With bullets
that might miss, a patsy who might blab or get away and our target could easily survive and
take revenge. It will also make everyone suspicious and will need endless effort to keep
quiet.
If you examine the first page of JFK's death certificate, (easily done on your search engine)
you will see that the President died of "gunshot wounds to the head and neck." and that he
was killed by a "High Velocity Rifle". At that time a High Velocity Rifle had a muzzle
velocity speed of 2500/600 feet per second, now I believe it is up to 3000 feet per second.
The only weapon associated with Lee Harvey Oswald on the day of the assassination was a
Manlicher Carcano 6.5mm as agreed by the Warren Commission, Pozner (Case Closed) and
Bugliosi. This rifle is not only notoriously inaccurate but has a muzzle velocity of 2000
feet per second and therefore could not have inflicted the wounds to JFK's head and neck that
killed him.
Oswald may have tried to kill the President (personally I doubt it) from the sixth floor
of the Book Depository overlooking Dealy Plaza but he didn't because JFK was killed by a High
Velocity weapon and Oswald didn't have one.
As yours truly, we noticed the drastic shift as to pointing to supranational guidance of
international political events. As for his mention, blaming Trump and Netanyahu to be
suppreme leaders and deciders, we see them rather as spokespersons, blowing and hissing
publicly the script of what Saker calls the Anglo-Jewish maffia, the only subgroup that
sorted for quality, not quantity in strategy(global evidently and necessarily) and membership
for in-group only benefit. Elitist, subjectively better organized than any entity other,
territorially mostly independent in case of emergency, and moral conviction based on
historical Judaist values, strategies and tactics. Play all sides and stay invisible.
Below the prudent lines of Saker quoted.
The AngloZionist Empire is not based in the US, or in the EU, or Israel, or anywhere
else on the planet. It is a trans-national entity with regional variations and which
includes different interest groups under its umbrella. You can think of it as a gigantic
criminal gang racketeering the entire planet for "protection". To think that by presenting
a "liberal" face to these thugs will gain you their support is extremely naive as these
guys don't care about your face: what they want is your submission.
As for Putin, it could be, that he is, for now, on a footing of equal to the insiders of
above, he must somehow understand (Putin gives a public impression to be cognitively superior
to all other political tarts of the moment) that real problems are global, and Russian
nationalism, or international expansion based on Russian nationalism are just a political
tool to rally bulk humanity. Very similar to the palm oil, corn syrup and digital porn obese
consumerism of the West promotion. At most bickering and infighting can be done by visible
actors as Putin, Trump, Xi (affected indirectly), but there must be a scenario, and war
cannot be anything more then policing.
To be noticed, that it pleads for Saker's intellectualism to correct and even reverse,
after due analysis his opinions unlike a Tom Engelhardt(at that qualitative rather inferior).
No "to big to fail" here. Let's wait and see, how Saker's intuition can take him into
quantitative analysis of what moves beyond and against nationalist and EU, US, Russia, China
dialectics. The old adagio of the information age: networks, was historically present in
International Jewry. One can be a policeman, be a thief, but foremost one is a Jew.
Honest writing of Saker.
How good are these supranational, corporatacracy (another commenter), "globally organized
elites" groups with better cohesion? To our definite impression, not good enough, though way
above the bulk of humanity and most of the middle class media comprehension. Two singular
dramas of our age, that will decide the twenty-first century. Better and not good enough.
Only to be arrested by bringing in AI, eugenetics, rebranding goals and focus. It is in
itself a pocket drama repeated over and over that analysis is mostly litterary, never relies
on the best of information, is fragmented. Even today indexing big data lumps could solve
this partly. Alternative media in the first place apply the same archaic methods while better
tools are available. That said unz.com is above the fray in focussing and searching methods.
It should spark some hidden outliers glued into the bulk of the deplorables by individual
fate.
War-ing and economics, the epistomology of politics, the focus of daily news, should be
seen as consequences, not prime causes of attention. In the end they impose toxicity,
migrations, excess population densities, excess total human numbers. The goal itself of
humanity should be reasserted as quality of life for all standing and future humans.
Then strategy and tactics derive from there. Why? Well the same supra national elites, the
only ones that can take on the essentials tend to forget they are frogging in the same tub,
that nature probably using more disruptive method will take care of the human plague if
not.
"... There is a strong, EU domestic anti-Russian population based on hundreds of years of history, resentment over losses (Germany, Poland, Sweden, Finland), self-brainwashing about perceived abuse (Poland, Baltics, eastern Europeans in general), hatred and contempt towards anything 'eastern', and the traditional anglo anti-Russian policies. Recently new emotional hatreds have been added with endless demonising Russia about xenophobia, hooligans, gays, stray dogs, anything the creative propagandists can push. Most Europeans turn out on reflection to be quite gullible and stupid. ..."
"... There are a few minor exceptions and some Latin nations are more level headed. There is also a minority view in the German world, mostly based on their business realism that is neutral toward Russia, but not pro-Russian. There will be no political rapprochement between EU and Russia. There will be better business relations because water flows downhill and EU-Russia economic ties are such an obvious fit. The cultural hatred and political hostility will go on. ..."
"... After WWII it took most Europeans less than a generation to revert to the traditional anti-Russian attitudes. In some cases, nations that were literally saved from extermination were more resentful than grateful. In Poland it took less than a year, in Czech Republic 20 years, but the old visceral hatreds emerged again. ..."
The U.S. has warned both Russia and Germany against pursuing a planned gas pipeline that would
run between the two countries, threatening to impose sanctions and claiming the project would
threaten the security of its European allies.
Construction has recently begun for the Nord Stream 2 project, a planned pipeline that would
extend from Russia along an existing pipeline through the Baltic Sea into northeastern Germany.
Once finished, Nord Stream 2 would reportedly double the amount of gas that Russia could
provide Europe. State Department Deputy Assistant Secretary Sandra Oudkirk told reporters in
Berlin Thursday that the project could bolster Russia's "malign influence" in the region and
that Washington was "exerting as much persuasive power" as it could to stop it, according to
the Associated Press.
Europe in diplomatic push to ease Russia sanctions | Financial Times
https://www.ft.com/content/9b9bbd3c-44a5-11e8-93cf-67ac3a6482fdApr 20, 2018 - A Europe-wide
diplomatic push is under way to persuade the Trump administration to ease US sanctions
targeting Russia, as fears mount that ...
We are talking apples and oranges. EU wants cheap, reliable energy from Russia and to export
to Russia as much as possible without interference from US. That is pure business. But the
dominant political forces in EU are anti-Russia, some because they are fed by the
security-military-academic spending, some because they 'studied' and were politically formed
in US or UK. Some because that's just the way they are.
There is a strong, EU domestic anti-Russian population based on hundreds of years of
history, resentment over losses (Germany, Poland, Sweden, Finland), self-brainwashing about
perceived abuse (Poland, Baltics, eastern Europeans in general), hatred and contempt towards
anything 'eastern', and the traditional anglo anti-Russian policies. Recently new emotional
hatreds have been added with endless demonising Russia about xenophobia, hooligans, gays,
stray dogs, anything the creative propagandists can push. Most Europeans turn out on
reflection to be quite gullible and stupid.
There are a few minor exceptions and some Latin nations are more level headed. There is
also a minority view in the German world, mostly based on their business realism that is
neutral toward Russia, but not pro-Russian. There will be no political rapprochement between
EU and Russia. There will be better business relations because water flows downhill and
EU-Russia economic ties are such an obvious fit. The cultural hatred and political hostility
will go on.
After WWII it took most Europeans less than a generation to revert to the traditional
anti-Russian attitudes. In some cases, nations that were literally saved from extermination
were more resentful than grateful. In Poland it took less than a year, in Czech Republic 20
years, but the old visceral hatreds emerged again.
My advise to Russia would be to mind its
own business and not try to sacrifice for the others or to help them. It has always backfired
because the cultural milieu in Europe is naturally resentful of Russia and the east in
general. Business doesn't change that.
First, there is no "EU", at least not in political terms . More crucially, there is no "EU
foreign policy". Yes, there are EU member states, who have political leaders, there is a big
business community in the EU and there are many EU organizations, but as such, the "EU" does
not exist, especially not in terms of foreign policy. The best proof of that is how clueless
the so-called "EU" has been in the Ukraine, then with the anti-Russian sanctions, in dealing
with an invasion of illegal immigrants, and now with Trump. At best, the EU can be considered a
US protectorate/colony, with some subjects "more equal than others" (say, the UK versus
Greece). Most (all?) EU member states are abjectly obedient to the US, and this is no surprise
considering that even the so-called "EU leader" or "EU heavyweight" – Germany –
only has very limited sovereignty. The EU leaders are nothing but a comprador elite
which doesn't give a damn about the opinions and interests of the people of Europe. The
undeniable fact is that the so-called "EU foreign policy" has gone against the vital interests
of the people of Europe for decades and that phenomenon is only getting worse.
Second, the single most powerful and unified organization in Europe is not even an EU
organization, but NATO. And NATO, in real terms, is no less than 80% US . Forget about those
fierce looking European armies, they are all a joke. Not only do they represent no credible
force (being too small, too poorly trained, under-equipped and poorly commanded), but they are
completely dependent on the US for a long list of critical capabilities and " force
multipliers ": command, control, communications, intelligence, networking, surveillance,
reconnaissance, target acquisition, logistics, etc. Furthermore, in terms of training, force
planning, weapon systems procurement, deployment and maintenance, EU states are also totally
dependent on the US. The reason? The US military budget totally dwarfs anything individual EU
states can spend, so they all depend on Uncle Sam. Of sure, the NATO figurehead – the
Secretary General – is usually a non-entity which makes loud statements and is European
(I think of that clown Stoltenberg as the prefect example), but NATO is not run by the NATO
Secretary General. In reality, it is run by the Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), who
is the head of the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) and these guys are as red,
white and blue as it gets. Forget about the "Eurocorps" or any other so-called "European
armies" – it's all hot air, like Trudeau's recent outburst at Trump. In reality in the
EU, as in Canada, they all know who is boss. And here is the single most important fact: NATO
desperately needs Russia as justification for its own existence: if relations with Russia
improve, then NATO would have no more reason to exist. Do you really think that anybody will
let that happen? I sure don't! And right now, the Europeans are busy asking for more
US troops on their soil, not less and they are all
pretending to be terrified by a Russian invasion , hence the need for more and bigger military
exercises close to the Russian border . And just to cover all its bases,
NATO is now gradually expanding into Latin America .
Third, there is a long list of EU governments which vitally need further bad relationships
with Russia . They include:
Unpopular governments which need to explain their own
failures by the nefarious actions of an external bogyman . A good example is how the
Spanish authorities blamed Russia for the crisis in Catalonia. Or the British with their
"Brexit". The Swedes are doing even better, they are already preparing their public opinion for a
"Russian interference" in case the election results don't turn out to be what they need.
Governments whose rhetoric has been so hysterically anti-Russian that they cannot possibly
back down from it. Best examples: the UK and Merkel. But since most (but not all) EU states
did act on the Skripal false-flag on the basis of the British "highly likely" and in the name
of "solidarity", they are now all stuck as accomplices of this policy. There is no way they are
simply going to admit that they were conned by the Brits.
EU prostitutes : states whose
only policy is to serve the US against Russia. These states compete against each other in the
most abject way to see who can out-brown-nose each other for the position of "most faithful and
willing loyal servant of the US". The best examples are, of course, the three Baltic statelets,
but the #1 position has to go to the "fiercely patriotic Poles" who are now
willing to actually pay Uncle Sam to be militarily occupied (even though the very same
Uncle Sam is trying to racketeer them for billions of dollars ). True, now that EU
subsidies are running out, the situation of these states is becoming even more dire, and they
know that the only place where they can still get money is the US. So don't expect them to
change their tune anytime soon (even if
Bulgaria has
already realized that nobody in the West gives a damn about it ).
Governments who want
to crack down on internal dissent by accusing any patriotic or independent political
party/movement to be "paid by the Kremlin" and representing Russian interests. The best
example is France and how it treated the National Front. I would argue that most EU states are,
in one way or another, working on creating a "national security state" because they do realize
(correctly) that the European people are deeply frustrated and oppose EU policies (hence all
the anti-EU referendums lost by the ruling elites).
Contrary to a very often repeated myth, European business interests do not represent a
powerful anti-russophobic force . Why? Just look at Germany: for all the involvement of Germany
(and Merkel personally) in the Ukraine, for all the stupid rhetoric about "Russia being an
aggressor" which "does not comply with the Mink Agreements", North Stream is going ahead! Yes,
money talks, and the truth is that while anti-Russian sanctions have cost Europe billions, the
big financial interests (say the French company Total) have found ways to ignore/bypass these
sanctions. Oh sure, there is a pro-trade lobby with Russian interest in Europe. It is real, but
it simply does not have anywhere near the power the anti-Russian forces in the EU have. This is
why for years now various EU politicians and public figures have made noises about lifting the
sanctions, but when it came to the vote – they all voted as told by the real bosses.
Not all EU Russophobia is US-generated , by the way. We have clearly seen that these days
when Trump suggested that the G7 (or, more accurately, the G6+1) needed to re-invite Russia, it
was the Europeans who said "nope!". To the extend that there is a "EU position" (even a very
demure and weak one), it is mostly anti-Russian, especially in the northern part of Europe. So
when Uncle Sam tells the Europeans to obey and engage in the usual Russia-bashing, they all
quickly fall in line, but in the rare case when the US does not push a rabidly anti-Russian
agenda, EU politicians suddenly find enough willpower to say "no". By the way, for all the
Trump's statements about re-inviting Russia into the G6+1 the US is still busy slapping more
sanctions on Russia .
The current mini-wars between the US and the EU (on trade, on Iran, on Jerusalem) do not at
all mean that Russia automatically can benefit from this . Again, the best example of this is
the disastrous G6+1 summit in which Trump basically alienated everybody only to have the G6
reiterate its anti-Russian position even though the G6+1 needs Russia far more than Russia
needs the G7 (she really doesn't!). Just like the US and Israeli leaders can disagree and, on
occasion, fight each other, that does not at all mean that somehow they are not fundamentally
joined at the hip. Just think of mob "families" who can even have "wars" against each other,
but that does not at all mean that this will benefit the rest of the population whom all
mobsters prey upon.
The Ukrainian crisis will only benefit anti-Russian forces in Europe . There is a very high
probability that in the near future the Ukronazi regime will try to reconquer Novorussia
(DNR/LRN). I submit that the outcome of such an attack is not in doubt – the Ukronazis
will lose. The only question is this: to whom will they lose:
Option one: they lose to the combined forces of the DNR and LNR. This is probably the most
likely outcome. Should this happen, there is a very high probability of a Novorussian counter
attack to liberate most of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, especially the cities of
Slaviansk and Mariupol. Since past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, we can
be pretty darn sure of what the reaction in Kiev and in the West will be: Russia will be
blamed for it all. The AngloZionists will never admit that the Ukronazi regime lost a civil
war to its own people because the Novorussians will never accept a Nazi regime ruling over
them. Thus, a Novorussian victory will result in more hysterical Russophobia.
Option two: the Ukronazis succeed in their attack and threaten to overrun Donetsk, Lugansk and the rest of
Novorussia. Putin simply cannot allow this to happen. He has made that promise many times and
he has recently repeated it during his "open line" with the Russian people. If the Russians
are forced to intervene, this will not be a massive ground invasion – there is no need
for that. Russia has the firepower needed in the form of missile and artillery strikes to
destroy the attacking Urkonazi forces and to impose a no-fly zone over all of Novorussia. If
Kiev pushes on and launches a full-scale attack on Russia proper, the Ukrainian armed forces
will be totally disorganized and cease combat in about 48 hours. This scenario is what I call
the "Neocon dream" since such a Russian intervention will not be imaginary, but quite real
and the Kremlin will even confirm it all very publicly and probably recognize the two
Novorussian Republics just like what happened in 08.08.08 when Saakashvili decided to invade
South Ossetia. So, AngloZionists will (finally!) have the "proof" that Russia is the
aggressor, the Poles and Balts will prepare for an "imminent" Russian invasion and I think
that there is a pretty good chance that NATO forces will move into the Western Ukraine to
"stop the Russians", even if the said Russians will have absolutely no desire (or even
possible motive) to want to invade the rest of the Ukraine or, even less so, Poland, Sweden
or the Baltic statelets.
I will admit that there is still a small possibility that a Ukronazi attack might not
happen. Maybe Poroshenko & Co. will get cold feet (they know the real condition of the Ukie
military and "dobrobat" death squads) and maybe Putin's recent not-so-veiled threat about "
grave consequences for the Ukrainian statehood " will have the needed effect. But what will
happen even if this attack does not take place? The EU leaders and the Ukronazi regime in Kiev
will still blame Russia for the Ukraine now clearly being a failed state. Whatever scenario you
find more likely for the Ukraine, things there will only get worse and everybody will blame
Russia.
The crisis in Syria will only benefit anti-Russian forces in Europe. It is becoming pretty
clear that the US is now attempting a reconquista of Syria or, at least, a break-up of
Syria into several zones, including US-controlled ones. Right now, the US and the "good
terrorists" have lost the war, but that does not stop them from re-igniting a new one, mostly
by reorganizing, retraining, redeploying and, most importantly, re-branding the surviving "bad
terrorists" into "good ones". This plan is backed by Saudi money and Israeli firepower.
Furthermore, Russia is now reporting
that US Special Forces are already working with the (new) "good terrorists" to – you
guessed it – prepare yet another fake chemical attack and blame it on the Syrians. And
why not? It worked perfectly already several times, why not do that again? At the very least,
it would give the US another try at getting their Tomahawks to show their effectiveness (even
if they fail again, facts don't matter here). And make no mistake, a US "victory" in Syria (or
in Venezuela) would be a disaster not only for the region, but for every country wanting to
become sovereign (see Andre Vltchek's excellent article on this topic here ). And, again, Russia will be
blamed for it all and, with certifiable nutcasts like Bolton, Russian forces might even be
attacked. As I wrote already many times, this is far from
over . Just as in the Ukrainian case, some deal might be made (at least
US and Russian military officials are still talking to each other ) but my personal opinion
is that making any kind of deal with Trump is as futile as making deals with Netanyahu: neither
of them can be trusted and they both will break any and all promises in a blink of an eye. And
if all hell breaks loose in Syria and/or Iran, NATO will make sure that the Europeans all
quickly and obediently fall in line ("solidarity", remember?).
The bottom line is this: currently, the EU is most unlikely to become a viable partner for
Russia and the future does look rather bleak.
One objection to my pessimism is the undeniable success of the recent Saint Petersburg
summit and the Parliamentary Forum. However, I believe that neither of these events was really
centered around Europe at all, but about the world at large (see excellent report by Gilbert
Doctorow on this topic
here ). Yes, Russia is doing great and while the AngloZionist media loves to speak about
the "isolation" of Russia, the truth is that it is the Empire which is isolated, while
Russia and China are
having tremendous success building the multi-polar world they want to replace the Empire
with. So while it is true that the western leaders might prefer to see a liberal "economic
block" in the new Russian government, the rest of the world has no such desire at all
(especially considering how many countries out there have suffered terrible hardships at the
hands of the WTO/WB/IMF/etc types).
Conclusion :
The AngloZionist Empire is not based in the US, or in the EU, or Israel, or anywhere else on
the planet. It is a trans-national entity with regional variations and which includes different
interest groups under its umbrella. You can think of it as a gigantic criminal gang
racketeering the entire planet for "protection". To think that by presenting a "liberal" face
to these thugs will gain you their support is extremely naive as these guys don't care about
your face: what they want is your submission. Vladimir Putin put it best
when he said " They do not want to humiliate us, they want to subdue us, solve their
problems at our expense ".
However, if the EU is, for all practical purposes, non-existent, Russia can, and will,
engage with individual EU member states. There is a huge difference between, say, Poland and
Italy, or the UK and Austria. Furthermore, the EU is not only dysfunctional, it is also
non-viable. Russia would immensely benefit from the current EU either falling apart or being
deeply reformed because the current EU is a pure creation of the US-backed Bilderberger types
and not the kind of Europe the European people need. In fact, I would even argue that the EU is
the single biggest danger for the people of the European continent. Thus Russia should use her
resources to foster bi-lateral cooperation with individual EU member states and never take any
action which would strengthen (or even legitimize) EU-derived organizations such as the EU
Parliament, the European Court of Human Rights, etc. These are all entities which seek to
undermine the sovereignty of all its members, including Russia. Again, Putin put it best when
he
recently declared that " either Russia is a sovereign country, or there is no
Russia ".
Whatever the ideology and slogans, all empires are inherently evil and inherently dangerous
to any country wanting to be truly sovereign. If Russia (and China) want to create a
multi-polar world, they need to gradually disengage from those trans-national bodies which are
totally controlled by the Empire, it is really that simple. Instead, Russia needs to engage
those countries, political parties and forces who advocate for what de Gaulle called "
the Europe of
fatherlands ". Both the AngloZionist Empire and the EU are undergoing the most profound
crisis in their history and the writing is on the wall. Sooner rather than later, one by one,
European countries will recover their sovereignty, as will Russia. Only if the people of Europe
succeed in recovering their sovereignty could Russia look for real partnerships in the West, if
only because the gradually developing and integrating Eurasian landmass offer tremendous
economic opportunities which could be most beneficial to the nations of Europe. A prosperous
Europe " from the Atlantic to the
Urals " is still a possibility, but that will happen only when the current European Union
and NATO are replaced by truly European institutions and the current European elites replaced
by sovereignists.
The people of Russia, EU and, I would argue, the United States all have the same goal and
the same enemy: they want to recover their sovereignty, get rid of their corrupt and, frankly,
treacherous elites and liberates themselves from the hegemony of the AngloZionist Empire. This
is why pushing the issue of "true sovereignty" (and national traditional values) is, I believe,
the most unifying and powerful political idea to defeat the Empire. This will be a long
struggle but the outcome is not in doubt.
The usual Saker, but, there are a couple of not bad snippets:
The EU leaders are nothing but a comprador elite which doesn't give a damn about the
opinions and interests of the people of Europe.
The AngloZionist Empire is not based in the US, or in the EU, or Israel, or anywhere
else on the planet. It is a trans-national entity with regional variations and which
includes different interest groups under its umbrella.
They do not want to humiliate us, they want to subdue us, solve their problems at our
expense".
As for this:
If Russia (and China) want to create a multi-polar world, they need to gradually
disengage from those trans-national bodies which are totally controlled by the Empire, it
is really that simple.
Saker is once again completely wrong. His theories fall short to explain lots of real events.
He got hooked on his "Anglo-Zionist" theory and "one Hegemon", which is far from explaining
the reality on the ground. There is no one single hegemon, but two powerful interest groups
in the west. One of the power centers is dominated by the Rothschilds from the City of London
and the other ruled by the Rockerfellers which is based in the US.
The powers described above are sometimes working in collusion but sometimes work against each
other (They were in collusion during the Soviet Afghan war for instance). Currently, we don't
see a collusion but a war being waged in between these two groups. I think it is highly self
evident, so much so that it is happening almost all in the open. In the modern history we
haven't witnessed such a openly fought war ever before (between these two powers). All is at
stake and the war in between these two is vicious. Thus you can explain Trump's attitude
towards EU, everlasting character assasination of Trump by certain opposing circles in the
US, high level resignations, the state of confusion of Nato and much more. If this theory is
right (and I think it is much more viable than any other theory that I came across in the
Alt-Med), this makes Russia firmly embedded into one of the camps. Unfortunately, the
position that Russia took makes him not a sovereign power but on contrary puts him into a
subservient role. The late actions of Russia, especially in Syria, is quite telling. I know
people who admire Russia get quite frustrated when they hear such a scenario and outcome, but
this is possibly the only way Putin believes that Russia can survive. Thus it explains his
latest house clean-up of Euroasian integrists. Even worse, if you believe in this scenario,
it brings Russia and China against each other especially in the long run. This scenario also
put a full stop to the idealist Euroasian multi-polar world order.
Here is the link to an older video in Russian with English subtitles. The guy's name is
Andrei Fursov and he has some interesting things to say regarding this subject. This
interview was just before Obama was elected but is still quite relevent. His newer videos
seems to have lost steam, possibly because he is working for some state connected Russian
institutions and think-thanks and thus I think he is somewhat restricted. After all it is
again the famous "Game Theory", isn't it?
The U.S. has warned both Russia and Germany against pursuing a planned gas pipeline that
would run between the two countries, threatening to impose sanctions and claiming the project
would threaten the security of its European allies.
Construction has recently begun for the Nord Stream 2 project, a planned pipeline that would
extend from Russia along an existing pipeline through the Baltic Sea into northeastern
Germany. Once finished, Nord Stream 2 would reportedly double the amount of gas that Russia
could provide Europe. State Department Deputy Assistant Secretary Sandra Oudkirk told
reporters in Berlin Thursday that the project could bolster Russia's "malign influence" in
the region and that Washington was "exerting as much persuasive power" as it could to stop
it, according to the Associated Press.
Europe in diplomatic push to ease Russia sanctions | Financial Times https://www.ft.com/content/9b9bbd3c-44a5-11e8-93cf-67ac3a6482fdApr
20, 2018 – A Europe-wide diplomatic push is under way to persuade the Trump
administration to ease US sanctions targeting Russia, as fears mount that
Excellent comment as usual Beckow, I could have typed the same. In fact, I have been
commenting online since 1992 that neither EU, nor most European states can be friends of
Russia. This was based on how those treated Yugoslavia/Serbia during the recent Balkan wars
that the same entities helped initiate. Because Serbia is Russia without nuclear weapons.
Russia would have gotten exactly the same treatment (Barbarossa 2) as Yugoslavia if it did
not have them. Nobody expected Russia to recover so quickly from Yeltsin and even
develop the world leading stand-off weapons on a budget. This is the only reason that
Barbarossa 2 will never happen. But they cannot stop hoping for a US-lead miracle.
Yet, the economic interest is there and if China and Russia manage to economically
integrate Europe and Asia, then the Euro-doggies will stop yapping and biting at the Russian
heels and will fall in line. What else could one expect from such pathetic shameless trash?
Give the One-Road another 15 years and watch this unfurle.
Finally, although I believed that Ukronazis would attack Novorussians, I now think that
Ukraine may have run out of suicidal dumb maniacs. It is much cheaper to make noise and beat
your Galician chest then to engage the enemy protected by Russia. Ukraine is, unfortunately,
already a total economic basket case, plus all One-Road plans circumvent it (as MH17 should
have, due to instability). Will there ever be a better example than Ukraine of the benevolent
influence of the Anglo-Zionist on a country?
As yours truly, we noticed the drastic shift as to pointing to supranational guidance of
international political events. As for his mention, blaming Trump and Netanyahu to be
suppreme leaders and deciders, we see them rather as spokespersons, blowing and hissing
publicly the script of what Saker calls the Anglo-Jewish maffia, the only subgroup that
sorted for quality, not quantity in strategy(global evidently and necessarily) and membership
for in-group only benefit. Elitist, subjectively better organized than any entity other,
territorially mostly independent in case of emergency, and moral conviction based on
historical Judaist values, strategies and tactics. Play all sides and stay invisible.
Below the prudent lines of Saker quoted.
The AngloZionist Empire is not based in the US, or in the EU, or Israel, or anywhere
else on the planet. It is a trans-national entity with regional variations and which
includes different interest groups under its umbrella. You can think of it as a gigantic
criminal gang racketeering the entire planet for "protection". To think that by presenting
a "liberal" face to these thugs will gain you their support is extremely naive as these
guys don't care about your face: what they want is your submission.
As for Putin, it could be, that he is, for now, on a footing of equal to the insiders of
above, he must somehow understand(Putin gives a public impression to be cognitively superior
to all other political tarts of the moment) that real problems are global, and Russian
nationalism, or international expansion based on Russian nationalism are just a political
tool to rally bulk humanity. Very similar to the palm oil, corn syrup and digital porn obese
consumerism of the West promotion. At most bickering and infighting can be done by visible
actors as Putin, Trump, Xi(affected indirectly), but there must be a scenario, and war cannot
be anything more then policing.
To be noticed, that it pleads for Saker's intellectualism to correct and even reverse,
after due analysis his opinions unlike a Tom Engelhardt(at that qualitative rather inferior).
No "to big to fail" here. Let's wait and see, how Saker's intuition can take him into
quantitative analysis of what moves beyond and against nationalist and EU, US, Russia, China
dialectics. The old adagio of the information age: networks, was historically present in
International Jewry. One can be a policeman, be a thief, but foremost one is a Jew.
Honest writing of Saker.
How good are these supranational, corporatacracy(another commenter), "globally organized
elites" groups with better cohesion? To our definite impression, not good enough, though way
above the bulk of humanity and most of the middle class media comprehension. Two singular
dramas of our age, that will decide the twenty-first century. Better and not good enough.
Only to be arrested by bringing in AI, eugenetics, rebranding goals and focus. It is in
itself a pocket drama repeated over and over that analysis is mostly litterary, never relies
on the best of information, is fragmented. Even today indexing big data lumps could solve
this partly. Alternative media in the first place apply the same archaic methods while better
tools are available. That said unz.com is above the fray in focussing and searching methods.
It should spark some hidden outliers glued into the bulk of the deplorables by individual
fate.
War-ing and economics, the epistomology of politics, the focus of daily news, should be
seen as consequences, not prime causes of attention. In the end they impose toxicity,
migrations, excess population densities, excess total human numbers. The goal itself of
humanity should be reasserted as quality of life for all standing and future humans.
Then strategy and tactics derive from there. Why? Well the same supra national elites, the
only ones that can take on the essentials tend to forget they are frogging in the same tub,
that nature probably using more disruptive method will take care of the human plage if
not.
The CIA seems to have spent five billion $ in Ukraine.
Who wants to incorporate Ukraine in the west therefore is not clear, the USA, NATO or EU, or
all of them ?
In any case, many in Europe see Putin just as an honest gas supplier.
Trump's gas is much more expensive.
Definitely. He stays well within the Judeo-Overton window. He is kosher, so to speak.
Sure, like Alex Jones, he will make the occasional slap at Israel or Zionism, but he will not
verge outside of the window's "Nazi Germany was the ultimate evil" or the holy 6 million
martyrs. I also have never read any of his work where he delves into 9/11, and what it means
about everything that has happened since.
You have three "not bad snippets" that I don't really agree with:
The EU leaders are nothing but a comprador elite which doesn't give a damn about the
opinions and interests of the people of Europe.
It is not that they don't give a damn, it is that they take their orders from a higher
source. Euro-serfs see the coerced passage of Lisbon and Maastricht, the ongoing 3rd world
invasion, the restriction of free speech, the increasing criminality, the ECB destruction and
removal of elected officials in Greece and Italy. They know it is a sham, they just don't
understand why, because they are constantly being lied to. Saker is not helping here.
The AngloZionist Empire is not based in the US, or in the EU, or Israel, or anywhere
else on the planet. It is a trans-national entity with regional variations and which
includes different interest groups under its umbrella.
Saker is not willing to tell us exactly who this entity is. He is not going to take us
outside of the Judeo-Overton window.
They do not want to humiliate us, they want to subdue us, solve their problems at our
expense
With this dog whistle he is treading on thin ice. Sure, "their problems" could describe
past crimes like Maidan that may be catching up with them, but it could also cover such
things as Gaza, the Liberty, the King David Hotel, or even the targeting of Nagasaki in 1945.
As usual though, he won't confront the serpent.
The best examples are, of course, the three Baltic statelets, but the #1 position has to
go to the "fiercely patriotic Poles" who are now willing to actually pay Uncle Sam to be
militarily occupied (even though the very same Uncle Sam is trying to racketeer them for
billions of dollars).
Talking about individual EU countries, the Poles need to realize that they're no longer
dealing with Imperial Russia or the Soviet Union, and try exploring avenues for productive
co-operation with Russia. It's working with "historic enemy" Germany, so why not with
"historic enemy" Russia?
There are plenty of opportunities, with the first one surely being shutting down US bases
on Polish territory and getting US missiles out of Poland. The current USA and the UK are
under UZA management which is clearly hostile to everything modern Poland stands for.
"For targeting purposes, the bombing crew used St. Mary's Urakami Cathedral, the largest
Christian church in East Asia. At 11:02 a.m., on Aug. 9, 1945, when the bomb was dropped over
the cathedral, Nagasaki was the most Christian city in Japan."
Hey, Quartermaster, why don't you tell us more about the amazing progress achieved by
Ukraine after the Kagans-sponsored revolution of 2014? For instance, you could tell us
(proudly?) about the rise of neo-Nazi power in Ukraine and about certain Kolomojsky, the
Ukrainian/Israeli thug, and his financing of the Azov battalion.
The EU countries put people in prison for questioning the tight official narrative/numbers of
holocaust biz.
What is wrong with using the word "Ukronazis?"
How would you name the happy warriors beholden to the memory of the 14th Waffen Grenadier
Division of the SS (1st Galician)?
"The newly formed Ukrainian state will work closely with the National-Socialist Greater
Germany, under the leadership of its leader Adolf Hitler which is forming a new order in
Europe and the world and is helping the Ukrainian People to free itself from Moscovite
occupation.
The Ukrainian People's Revolutionary Army which has been formed on the Ukrainian lands, will
continue to fight with the Allied German Army against Moscovite occupation for a sovereign
and united State and a new order in the whole world.
Long live the Ukrainian Sovereign United Ukraine! Long live the Organization of Ukrainian
Nationalists! Long live the leader of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the
Ukrainian people – STEPAN BANDERA" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Ukrainian_State_Act
We are talking apples and oranges. EU wants cheap, reliable energy from Russia and to
export to Russia as much as possible without interference from US. That is pure business. But
the dominant political forces in EU are anti-Russia, some because they are fed by the
security-military-academic spending, some because they 'studied' and were politically formed
in US or UK. Some because that's just the way they are.
There is a strong, EU domestic anti-Russian population based on hundreds of years of
history, resentment over losses (Germany, Poland, Sweden, Finland), self-brainwashing about
perceived abuse (Poland, Baltics, eastern Europeans in general), hatred and contempt towards
anything 'eastern', and the traditional anglo anti-Russian policies. Recently new emotional
hatreds have been added with endless demonising Russia about xenophobia, hooligans, gays,
stray dogs, anything the creative propagandists can push. Most Europeans turn out on
reflection to be quite gullible and stupid.
There are a few minor exceptions and some Latin nations are more level headed. There is
also a minority view in the German world, mostly based on their business realism that is
neutral toward Russia, but not pro-Russian. There will be no political rapprochement between
EU and Russia. There will be better business relations because water flows downhill and
EU-Russia economic ties are such an obvious fit. The cultural hatred and political hostility
will go on.
After WWII it took most Europeans less than a generation to revert to the traditional
anti-Russian attitudes. In some cases, nations that were literally saved from extermination
were more resentful than grateful. In Poland it took less than a year, in Czech Republic 20
years, but the old visceral hatreds emerged again. My advise to Russia would be to mind its
own business and not try to sacrifice for the others or to help them. It has always backfired
because the cultural milieu in Europe is naturally resentful of Russia and the east in
general. Business doesn't change that.
"... There is a strong, EU domestic anti-Russian population based on hundreds of years of history, resentment over losses (Germany, Poland, Sweden, Finland), self-brainwashing about perceived abuse (Poland, Baltics, eastern Europeans in general), hatred and contempt towards anything 'eastern', and the traditional anglo anti-Russian policies. Recently new emotional hatreds have been added with endless demonising Russia about xenophobia, hooligans, gays, stray dogs, anything the creative propagandists can push. Most Europeans turn out on reflection to be quite gullible and stupid. ..."
"... There are a few minor exceptions and some Latin nations are more level headed. There is also a minority view in the German world, mostly based on their business realism that is neutral toward Russia, but not pro-Russian. There will be no political rapprochement between EU and Russia. There will be better business relations because water flows downhill and EU-Russia economic ties are such an obvious fit. The cultural hatred and political hostility will go on. ..."
"... After WWII it took most Europeans less than a generation to revert to the traditional anti-Russian attitudes. In some cases, nations that were literally saved from extermination were more resentful than grateful. In Poland it took less than a year, in Czech Republic 20 years, but the old visceral hatreds emerged again. ..."
"... Failure has never discouraged true fanatics. It is a mistake to see them only in Washington and London, there are plenty of them in positions of power in Berlin, Paris, Warsaw, and even Stockholm. ..."
"... And in Washington the loudest ones are often bitter ethnics from eastern Europe. I honestly think it is about 50-50 whether this gets escalated beyond all reason and we face a catastrophe (so I admit that I don't know :). ..."
"... On the one hand there are the nukes. On the other, it is so hard to climb down for any ideological fanatic. They felt that they were so close, when they bombed Beograd and Russia did nothing, they thought it was all just a question of time. And then Putin happened and the dream has been slowly dying. Imagine the painful void that they have to live with every day. So they hate. Any concession to people who hate you is counter-productive, thus there will be no deal between Russia-EU. Only obvious trade. ..."
... EU wants cheap, reliable energy from Russia and to export to Russia as much as possible without
interference from US. That is pure business. But the dominant political forces in EU are anti-Russia, some because they are fed
by the security-military-academic spending, some because they 'studied' and were politically formed in US or UK. Some because
that's just the way they are.
There is a strong, EU domestic anti-Russian population based on hundreds of years of history, resentment over losses (Germany,
Poland, Sweden, Finland), self-brainwashing about perceived abuse (Poland, Baltics, eastern Europeans in general), hatred and
contempt towards anything 'eastern', and the traditional anglo anti-Russian policies. Recently new emotional hatreds have been
added with endless demonising Russia about xenophobia, hooligans, gays, stray dogs, anything the creative propagandists can push.
Most Europeans turn out on reflection to be quite gullible and stupid.
There are a few minor exceptions and some Latin nations are more level headed. There is also a minority view in the German
world, mostly based on their business realism that is neutral toward Russia, but not pro-Russian. There will be no political rapprochement
between EU and Russia. There will be better business relations because water flows downhill and EU-Russia economic ties are such
an obvious fit. The cultural hatred and political hostility will go on.
After WWII it took most Europeans less than a generation to revert to the traditional anti-Russian attitudes. In some cases,
nations that were literally saved from extermination were more resentful than grateful. In Poland it took less than a year, in
Czech Republic 20 years, but the old visceral hatreds emerged again.
My advise to Russia would be to mind its own business and not try to sacrifice for the others or to help them. It has always
backfired because the cultural milieu in Europe is naturally resentful of Russia and the east in general. Business doesn't change
that.
Thanks. Current trends strengthen Euro-asia (and thus China and Russia), so West will have to do something, otherwise they
get weaker over time.
There has been a maximalist group in the West who believe that ' anything is possible ', that even with nukes it is
possible to defeat and dismember Russia. The key factor would be internal instability inside Russia. Maidan, Saaksavilli's mad
dash in 2008, and the support for Caucas separatists were all done with that in mind. It has mostly failed with Russia becoming
more united in the process.
Failure has never discouraged true fanatics. It is a mistake to see them only in Washington and London, there are plenty
of them in positions of power in Berlin, Paris, Warsaw, and even Stockholm.
And in Washington the loudest ones are often bitter ethnics from eastern Europe. I honestly think it is about 50-50 whether
this gets escalated beyond all reason and we face a catastrophe (so I admit that I don't know :).
On the one hand there are the nukes. On the other, it is so hard to climb down for any ideological fanatic. They felt that
they were so close, when they bombed Beograd and Russia did nothing, they thought it was all just a question of time. And then
Putin happened and the dream has been slowly dying. Imagine the painful void that they have to live with every day. So they hate.
Any concession to people who hate you is counter-productive, thus there will be no deal between Russia-EU. Only obvious trade.
The best examples are, of course, the three Baltic statelets, but the #1 position has to
go to the "fiercely patriotic Poles" who are now willing to actually pay Uncle Sam to be
militarily occupied (even though the very same Uncle Sam is trying to racketeer them for
billions of dollars).
Talking about individual EU countries, the Poles need to realize that they're no longer
dealing with Imperial Russia or the Soviet Union, and try exploring avenues for productive
co-operation with Russia. It's working with "historic enemy" Germany, so why not with
"historic enemy" Russia?
There are plenty of opportunities, with the first one surely being shutting down US bases
on Polish territory and getting US missiles out of Poland. The current USA and the UK are
under UZA management which is clearly hostile to everything modern Poland stands for.
Im Bundestag kämpfen Merkel und ihre Treuesten derweil darum, ihre
Anti-Deutschland-Politik unter anderem gegen die CSU durchzusetzen -- sogar in der CDU gibt
es erste Mutige, die sich daran erinnern, wer sie bezahlt und wem sie eigentlich verpflichtet
sind.
Rough translation:
" In the German parliament Merkel and her supporters battle to continue their anti German
policy against the CSU -- even in the CDU (Merkel's party) there are courageous people who
that remind Merkel by whom she is paid, and to who she has obligations. "
There are German rumours that Merkel will fall this week.
Historians from time to time write how curious it is that apparently unrelated events in
different parts of the world change history.
I wonder if the Trump election with the realisation, long overdue, in Germany, that the
migrants are a burden in stead of a contribution to the economy, may combine to Merkel's
fall,in her wake maybe the implosion of the EU, and the end of the euro.
It was Merkel who prevented Greece leaving the euro.
"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men
they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."
It is completely unnecessary and foolish to bring up and try to argue about
the faith of another man, especially by superimposing one's own views onto the matter. It's
clear that you believe it is impossible or highly unlikely to have high intelligence and be a
true believer, but to me that is neither here nor there.
The point is that Putin realizes that the Orthodox faith is the cultural framework of the
Russian nation; its development historically, socially and culturally rest in the hands
Orthodox Christianity. Yes! Russia's history and the levers of power were wrenched away from
its traditional Orthodox roots by those intent on revenge, those with a mad desire to unite the
world under the banner of international communism, bringing about (so they hoped and continue
to hope) the birth of their messiah. Thankfully that chapter of history is over, but it's not
over for the chosen: intent on revenge on Russia, just as they are forever intent on their
innocence in all historical matters, they have moved on and rooted themselves into another
host: the USA. They will be smacked down and put in their place again, but I hesitate to
estimate the scheduling. The main question is how many human lives will they end through their
machinations before the smack down.
The point is that Putin realizes that the Orthodox faith is the cultural framework of
the Russian nation; its development historically, socially and culturally rest in the hands
Orthodox Christianity.
No, it's not. No one can enter the same river twice. Russia will thankfully never go back
to its Orthodox roots completely, although Orthodoxy will co-exist peacefully within the
secular society. Putin's public insistence on rituals of the Orthodox faith is one of his
least attractive features.
Thankfully that chapter of history is over
It's not over until it's over. This sentence of yours simply shows how misunderstood the
Soviet period of the Russian history is in the West.
The Soviet Union has been gone for more than a quarter of a century and yet it is –
to borrow a phrase from a popular Soviet song – is more alive than the living. The
Soviet period has become a sort of a yardstick against which the modern Russia is compared in
every area: culture, economy, moral climate, everything.
It is a universal agreement that in many areas Russia doesn't measure up to the Soviet
standards – culture and education are the prime examples. Hardly anyone in Russia would
disagree that in 25 years Russia hasn't produced anything even remotely comparable with the
Soviet achievements in this spheres. Until it does – the Soviet Union will live
one.
Russia still is a neoliberal country. What do you expect ?
It is interesting that Russia which oppose neoliberal globalization in foreign policy, implements neoliberal reforms within
the country. The current pensoin reform is clienly neoliberal in spirit, even if it does not include privatization. there is
a big different between those who work at factories and those who work at offices.
Notable quotes:
"... I don't share your and some other commenters' fixation on Jews. I believe it's a red herring. Elites, Jewish and gentile, are equally repulsive and guilty of most ills that afflict our world. Despite its many failings, one of the redeeming qualities of communism was that it called for confiscation of the possessions of moneyed elites. In reality, they were mostly hanged or shot. Considering what they are doing to the US and other countries, this was amply justified. ..."
"... Basically there were real issues behind those color revolutions in Ukraine and elsewhere but without progressive force caring about people there were ulterior forces that led those eruption of real grievances and these grievances are caused by the system of capitalism you have just described. Yours and other former Soviet citizens excellent education is another testament to communism regime. ..."
"... Regarding new found religious feelings. it is obviously all fake. ..."
"... I can't say that today's Russia is all bad or all good. I think open borders is a huge achievement. People have a chance to see the reality with their own eyes: wherever you go in Europe or Asia now, you meet lots of people from Russia, which means that they have the money to travel and an interest in other cultures, as you meet them in museums and at historical sites all over Europe. ..."
"... I do resent what current authorities did to the education system: they degraded it, ostensibly in an attempt to reform and make it more Western-like. I think these "reforms" were extremely ill-conceived, the school is becoming much worse (in fact, American-like, although it must be degraded a lot more to sink all the way down to the US level). ..."
"... I resent than instead of improving Russian Academy of Sciences (it was pretty bad in the USSR) they essentially emasculated it. If you go by publications, there is less decent research in Russia now than there was in the USSR. ..."
"... Huge inequality is another negative, especially considering that most oligarchs got rich by looting state property, and now continue to enrich themselves the same way (heads of most Russian corporations, state-owned and private, are nothing but thieves). That made Russia more US-like, but I consider that regress rather than progress. ..."
"... On the other hand, I consider it a huge achievement that in international affairs Russia today is pursuing its own interests, rather than engaging in a thankless task of saving the world. I subscribe to the Protestant dictum that "God helps those who help themselves", so whoever is worth saving will save themselves, and the rest be damned. ..."
Maybe it is presumptuous to express my opinion about another person's faith, but let me
remind you that Putin was a KGB officer and a member of the communist party. As such, he was
(or pretended to be) a militant atheist. Now he publicly goes to church and remains there
throughout the service (mind you, Russian Orthodox Christmas and Easter services are
all-night affairs). Thus, he either lied then or is lying now about his faith. Take your
pick.
Yes, Orthodox Christianity was one of the pillars of Russian culture. But again, let me
remind you that one of the greatest Russian writers, Leo Tolstoy, was excommunicated by the
church. What's more, current patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox church, was
photographed with a watch worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, owns an apartment in the
center of Moscow, likely worth millions of $, and a collection or rare books in this
apartment with a huge value. If you are a Christian, you should know that "it is easier for a
camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of
God" (Matthew 19:24; also Mark 10:25).
I don't share your and some other commenters' fixation on Jews. I believe it's a red
herring. Elites, Jewish and gentile, are equally repulsive and guilty of most ills that
afflict our world. Despite its many failings, one of the redeeming qualities of communism was
that it called for confiscation of the possessions of moneyed elites. In reality, they were
mostly hanged or shot. Considering what they are doing to the US and other countries, this
was amply justified.
I frankly do not think that communism requires redemption. It was first attempt at moving
humanity towards next step in social evolution and it did not happen under the best
conditions. It happened in the country ridden with accumulated problems from previous regime
mishandling the country for a couple of centuries with those issues coming to a head and
after so much pressure it resulted in massive eruption of violence which would have been even
worse without Bolsheviks as it would lead to Russia disintegration and Russian state death.,
There would have happened something similar to modern Ukraine.
Basically there were real
issues behind those color revolutions in Ukraine and elsewhere but without progressive force
caring about people there were ulterior forces that led those eruption of real grievances and
these grievances are caused by the system of capitalism you have just described. Yours and
other former Soviet citizens excellent education is another testament to communism
regime.
Current Russian regime got bad roots and I do not believe anything good will come out of
these bad roots. The system is freakish and rotten at the core. It care s not for people.
Current increase of retirement age is another testament to this. Bolsheviks when they started
made their intentions rather obvious in destroyed and poor country. They assured real human
rights while current system removed those rights and there is no guarantees that we as a
soviet citizen used to enjoy. Obviously things were not perfect. They never are.
Regarding new found religious feelings. it is obviously all fake.
I also wonder what do you think of spontaneous life appearance? I read some books on this
issue including Dawkins' and Behe, but considering your experience and professional
background it would be very interesting to hear your thoughts.
I can't say that today's Russia is all bad or all good. I think open borders is a huge
achievement. People have a chance to see the reality with their own eyes: wherever you go in
Europe or Asia now, you meet lots of people from Russia, which means that they have the money
to travel and an interest in other cultures, as you meet them in museums and at historical
sites all over Europe.
I do resent what current authorities did to the education system: they
degraded it, ostensibly in an attempt to reform and make it more Western-like. I think these
"reforms" were extremely ill-conceived, the school is becoming much worse (in fact,
American-like, although it must be degraded a lot more to sink all the way down to the US
level).
I resent than instead of improving Russian Academy of Sciences (it was pretty bad in
the USSR) they essentially emasculated it. If you go by publications, there is less decent
research in Russia now than there was in the USSR.
Huge inequality is another negative,
especially considering that most oligarchs got rich by looting state property, and now
continue to enrich themselves the same way (heads of most Russian corporations, state-owned
and private, are nothing but thieves). That made Russia more US-like, but I consider that
regress rather than progress.
On the other hand, I consider it a huge achievement that in
international affairs Russia today is pursuing its own interests, rather than engaging in a
thankless task of saving the world. I subscribe to the Protestant dictum that "God helps
those who help themselves", so whoever is worth saving will save themselves, and the rest be
damned.
Percentages of ethnic groups to be destroyed and/or deported to Siberia by Nazi Germany from future settlement areas.[15][16][3]
Ethnic group/Nationality Population percent subject to removal
Russians[17][16] 50–60% to be physically eliminated and another
15% to be sent to Western Siberia
Estonians[3][18] almost 50%
Latvians[3]
50%
Czechs[16]
50%
Ukrainians[16] 65%
Belarusians[16] 75%
Poles[16]
20 million, or 80–85%
Lithuanians[3] 85%
Latgalians[3] 100%
The "collective West" clearly pursued its own goals in Ukraine, and the last thing they were concerned was well being of
Ukraine people. Russia also viewed Ukraine mainly from the position of its own interests, although being isolated they provided
somewhat better terms for economic cooperation, just to counter influence of the EU and the USA.
The USA wanted the Ukraine to became yet another Baltic republic as a part of its geopolitical efforts of encircling Russia
and, if possible, installing another Yeltsin-style comprador government. EU wanted a market for its good and to exclude
Russia from using Ukrainian resources as well as the leverage to get better prices for Russian natural resources.
So the Ukrainian people got on the receiving end of those efforts and paid a huge price. Was it unavoidable or not is
difficult to say. May be less bloodshed was possible but economic decimation of Ukraine and conversion it into a debt slave was in
the cards, and probably was not avoidable. It just occurred faster and the drop of the standard of living went deeper that
in other circumstance.
For all his corruption and thugishness Yanukovich tried to play Russia against the West and get some concession from both. Now
such a policy is impossible as the country de-facto lost independence as happens with any debt-slave.
So the conflict in Donbass became important for Poroshenko government as the mean of uniting people, who became disillusioned
in the results of EuroMaydan and pointing to Russia as a scapegoat for all their difficulties. In a way Poroshenko now needs
Donbass conflict to survive politically.
While there is some "hysteria" when it comes to Russia, there is also much truth out there,
some of which the author is willing to write off as little more than conspiracy theories.
It is passing strange that those who have strongly criticized Putin have ended up dead.
Anytime one appears to be a serious threat to Putin's position they end up dead. It is
possible that Putin isn't responsible, but given the numbers and the circumstances, it is
likely he knows what is going on.
While Putin was never head of the KGB, much of what he has been up to was learned form
iron Felix's organization. To say Putin is a KGB thug is far from being out of line.
What he has done in Ukraine should make the man, and the country he heads, a pariah.
Eastern Europe is right to be concerned. The fact that Putin has stated, rather pointedly,
that the extent of the USSR is Russia makes the accusation of him being a Soviet revanchist
appropriate as well.
Much of what the author seeks to write off as hysteria, isn't. That "hysteria" is a proper
concern for what Putin is up to, and what he intends. Fortunately, Russia is too impoverished
to all Putin to realize his neo-Tsarist empire. And in pursuing his self-aggrandizing path,
he impoverishes his people even more.
It is passing strange that those who have strongly criticized Putin have ended up
dead.
The logic of this is fascinating in its perversity. Lot's of people who don't criticize
Putin at all or downright admire him die including under unclear circumstances – the
West just doesn't notice. For example, several Russian diplomat have died suddenly and
prematurely in various countries – out UN representative Churkin would be the prime
example. Can you imaging how many wonderful conspiracy theories we could have concocted
should we be so inclined?
It's the same exact "logic" ridiculed in "conclusions" like this: "Everyone who eats
cucumbers dies". And those who don't live forever?
What he has done in Ukraine should make the man, and the country he heads, a pariah.
He, meaning Putin, hasn't done anything in Ukraine – the West did. The West
organized and supported a coup bringing to the power a super-corrupt illegitimate
"government" that relies on armed neo-Nazi groups for the control of the county. Now Ukraine
is a failed state with the dominant neo-Nazi ideology, nonexistent economy, impoverished and
fleeing population and repressive political system, not to mention a civil war. All Putin did
was to resist this development as much as possible, and I do not believe he should be blamed
for that.
"Neo-Tsarist empire." Ha, that's rich. Congrats, you've managed to outdo even the most
unhinged anti-Putin elements of the l'chaimstream media.
"impoverishes his people even more." You mean be improving their lives as measured by
virtually every metric since kicking out the (((Russian))) banksters and their (((American)))
advisers who were robbing the place blind? Dude, you're delusional. Go peddle your nonsense
elsewhere.
Pathological Russophobia of neocons is explanation by two factors: (1) they are lobbyists for
MIC and this is the way MIC wants the US foreign policy to be execute; (2) this is the way of
earning money for people, many of whom are good no nothing else.
Notable quotes:
"... Beyond the ideological foundations for their hatred of nationalist Russia are economic considerations and the issue of who controls and manages the Russian economy: Wall Street and Bruxelles, or ..."
"... From the beginning of his tenure Putin has offered to cooperate with the United States in the fight against international Islamic terror, but each time it was the United States -- us -- who refused, including famously Paul Wolfowitz during the George W. Bush administration who replied to one such offer: "We don't need your assistance or intel." ..."
Almost one year ago the United States Congress (with only a handful of "nay" votes)
adopted
new and severe sanctions against Russia for its supposed attempt to influence and interfere
in the 2016 national elections. Included in that legislation was a provision -- specifically
placed there by Russophobe Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC) -- that President Trump cannot alter
or lift any of the sanctions without future Congressional approbation.
The government of Vladimir Putin, in response to this provocation, announced that the
American diplomatic presence in Russia would be reduced by 755 persons, a drastic move by any
standards. But we cannot say it was unexpected -- or undeserved.
That sanctions vote was fascinating as it illustrated during the first year of the
contentious Trump presidency a rare point of political unity between the socialist
Left, the Democrats and the mainstream media -- formerly noted for their "soft" and favorable
attitude to the old and unloved Soviet Communist Russian regime -- and the conservative/GOP
mainstream, dominated by the Neoconservatives. Of course, perspectives and approaches to the
question differ, whether it was the Trump campaign that was colluding with Moscow, or if it was
Hillary and the Clinton Foundation that had collaborated in some way, but their target remained
the same: that man in the Kremlin and the country he governs.
One thing was clear: the result of the 2016 presidential election had the most unheard of
and remarkable result in recent American political history: a de facto alliance of
these supposedly antipodal political forces. And what we have witnessed is a phalanx of the
pseudo-Right Neocons and the formerly pro-Soviet Left linked together, competing to see who
could be more "anti" and who could come up with the more far-fetched Russia conspiracy
theories, and -- as with the 2017 sanctions -- the latest unwarranted, over the top
legislation.
Consider the recent -- but largely unreported -- formation of an umbrella group, the Renew
Democracy Initiative (RDI), with the goal of "uni[ting] the center-left and the center-right."
Its leaders include former John McCain foreign policy advisor Max Boot, The Washington
Post 's Anne Appelbaum, Never Trumper Bill Kristol, former chess wizard Gary Kasparov, and
Richard Hurwitz of Council on Foreign Relations. [See " Neocons &
Russiagaters Unite! ," April 27, 2018] RDI's manifesto calls for "fresh thinking" and urges
"the best minds from different countries to come together for both broad and discrete projects
in the service of liberty and democracy in the West and beyond . Liberal democracy is in crisis
around the world, besieged by authoritarianism, nationalism, and other illiberal forces.
Far-right parties are gaining traction in Europe, Vladimir Putin tightens his grip on Russia
and undermines democracy abroad, and America struggles with poisonous threats from the right
and left."
Or, recall those on-camera Fox News Russia experts -- think here of General Jack Keane or
the unhinged Colonel Ralph Peters who literally foamed at the mouth when talking about Putin,
calling him "the new Hitler," and who asserted that Putin had committed "worse crimes" than the
German dictator. (Peters is so anti-Russian that he finally
left the Fox News network in March 2018 )
When Tucker Carlson on his prime time program last July 11, 2017, demanded that Peters
provide facts and figures for his accusations, Peters
immediately exploded and implied that program host Carlson was a "Hitler apologist." It was
a classic argument and instance of reductio ad Hitlerum .
Of course, such examples aren't rare in the establishment "conservative movement" media.
Pick up any issue of National Review or The Weekly Standard or listen to the
Glenn Beck radio program and you can find the same hysteria, largely laced with faked quotes or
disinformation (e.g., "Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet Union" or "Putin was
head of the KGB" or "Putin has had his enemies assassinated," and so on, ad
nauseum ).
Indeed, another ploy by Neocon pundits (and Congress) has been to parade Bill Browder, the
grandson of American Communist Party boss Earl Browder, as a star witness to President Putin's
nefarious dealings. Of course, it should be noted that Browder fils lost big time
financially in his manipulations in Russia, as investigative journalists Philip
Giraldi and Robert
Parry have documented, and he is engaged in a vicious personal vendetta against Vladimir
Putin.
For the Neoconservative leaders of what passes for "conservatism" these days, it is as if
nothing has changed since 1991, since the ignominious fall of Communism. It's even
arguable that their hostility to Moscow has increased since then.
Let me suggest several reasons for this: First, many of the more prominent Neoconservatives
descend from Russian Jews from the Pale of Settlement, whose memories go back to the
pre-Communist days of persecution and pogroms under the Tsars. They originally welcomed Lenin
and the Communist regime as liberators and formed some of its staunchest supporters and
apparatchiks in the regime of terror that followed (especially in the Cheka and KGB) until
Josef Stalin unleashed a wave of anti-semitism after World War II. [See the partially
translated excerpts from Solzhenitsyn's Two Hundred Years Together at: https://200yearstogether.wordpress.com , and the
commentary
]
Putin, despite his strong support from native Russian Jews and from the Moscow Rabbinate, is
a Russian nationalist and fervent supporter of the traditionalist Russian Orthodox Church, and
those two factors bring up painful memories of the "bad old days" of discrimination and Jewish
persecution for the Neocons.
A prime example of this comes in a recent volume authored by prominent Neocon journalist and
homosexual activist (yes, the two traits often seem to go together), James Kirchick: The
End of Europe: Dictators, Demagogues, and the Coming Dark Age, 2017). In his jumble of
Neocon ideology and prejudice, Kirchick evaluates what for him seems to be happening ominously
in Europe. He is deeply fearful of the efforts to "close borders" against Muslim immigrants
from the Middle East. He blasts Marine Le Pen as a racist -- and most likely a subtle
"holocaust denier!" -- and attacks the attempts in places like Hungary and Poland to reassert
national traditions and Christian identity;
for him these are nothing less than attempts to bring back "fascism."
Russia comes in for perhaps his harshest criticism, and the reason is unmistakable: Russia
seems to be returning to its older national and pre-Communist heritage, to its age-old Orthodox
Christian faith. Russians are returning by the millions to the church and the "old-time"
religion. For Kirchick this can only mean one thing: the triumph of bigotry, anti-semitism, and
"extreme right wing" ideology, and the failure of what he terms "liberal democracy and
equality" (including, he would no doubt include, feminism, same sex marriage, across-the-board
equality, and all those other "conservative values"!).
Kirchick's critique, shared by many of the leaders of the national Republican Party and
dominating the pages of most establishment "conservative" publications and talk radio these
days, joins him arm-in-arm with globalist George Soros in efforts to undermine the Russian
state and its president all in the name of "democracy" and "equality." [See, " George Soros Aghast
as Collapsing EU, while Russia Resurgent, " January 19, 2018]
But, just what kind of "democracy" and what kind of "equality" do Kirchick and Soros
defend?
Beyond the ideological foundations for their hatred of nationalist Russia are economic
considerations and the issue of who controls and manages the Russian economy: Wall Street and
Bruxelles, or Russia, itself. Unlike the weak and pliant Boris Yeltsin, Putin the
nationalist ended the strangle-hold of Russian industry, in particular control of Russia's
important energy sector, by those few international businessmen, the oligarchs (many of them
Jewish), most of whom fled the country. That could not stand! How dare Russia -- and its
president -- oppose the economic diktats of Bruxelles and Wall Street!
Lastly, we should add one more reason for hostility, and that is Russia's remaining
international presence, in particular, in Syria. It is very simple: you don't go from being one
of the world's two "superpowers" to all of a sudden a second-rate, economically-handicapped
"has been" without some remorse. As a patriot and nationalist President Putin has,
understandably, attempted to reassert Russian prosperity and power -- certainly, not as much or
in the same manner as the old Communist leaders. But, from his reasonable point of view, the
largest country in the world does have interests, and not just in what goes on in neighboring
nations where millions of Russians (formerly within Russia) reside, but also with long-time
allies such as Syria.
Is not this same criterion true for the United States and its dealings with its neighbors
and allies?
More, for the past twenty-five years Russia has experienced the poisoned tip of Islamic
terrorism, domestically, including the brutal war in Tchechnya in the Caucasus region and the
horrid bombings in the heart of the country, Moscow. From the beginning of his tenure Putin
has offered to cooperate with the United States in the fight against international Islamic
terror, but each time it was the United States -- us -- who refused, including famously Paul
Wolfowitz during the George W. Bush administration who replied to one such offer: "We don't
need your assistance or intel."
And thus, the revealing files on the Tsarnaev brothers (Boston bombing) were not received.
But, as Neocon Charles Krauthammer once declared: "We live in a unipolar world today, and there
is only ONE superpower, and that is the United States." That attitude was not received with
equanimity by post-Communist Russia, a Russia that has discovered its heritage and its
traditions and has asked for partnership with the United States, and not the hysteria we have
witnessed in the United States sweeping aside all rationality.
Ralph Peters is one of the nuttiest neocons around, and Fox was smart to dump him. I recall
an article long ago where he suggested that the US Govt. should address the drug addition
problem in the USA by assassinating drug dealers on the streets in the USA.
He lives off scraps from neocons by selling his soul for BS talking points and collects a
monthly check from Uncle Sam after 20 years of sitting at a desk doing BS intel work, as I
once did for a year. It seems he missed his chance at killing commies in Nam by touring
Europe, as Fred Reed explained:
Nothing new in the above article. That such people are elevated to the stature of cushy
mainstream propping and ridicule by some non-mainstream others is a tell all sign on what's
wrong with the coverage.
Regarding this excerpt:
A prime example of this comes in a recent volume authored by prominent Neocon journalist
and homosexual activist (yes, the two traits often seem to go together), James Kirchick:
The End of Europe: Dictators, Demagogues, and the Coming Dark Age, 2017). In his jumble of
Neocon ideology and prejudice, Kirchick evaluates what for him seems to be happening
ominously in Europe. He is deeply fearful of the efforts to "close borders" against Muslim
immigrants from the Middle East. He blasts Marine Le Pen as a racist -- and most likely a
subtle "holocaust denier!" -- and attacks the attempts in places like Hungary and Poland to
reassert national traditions and Christian identity; for him these are nothing less than
attempts to bring back "fascism."
Russia comes in for perhaps his harshest criticism, and the reason is unmistakable:
Russia seems to be returning to its older national and pre-Communist heritage, to its
age-old Orthodox Christian faith. Russians are returning by the millions to the church and
the "old-time" religion. For Kirchick this can only mean one thing: the triumph of bigotry,
anti-semitism, and "extreme right wing" ideology, and the failure of what he terms "liberal
democracy and equality" (including, he would no doubt include, feminism, same sex marriage,
across-the-board equality, and all those other "conservative values"!).
Kirchick's critique, shared by many of the leaders of the national Republican Party and
dominating the pages of most establishment "conservative" publications and talk radio these
days, joins him arm-in-arm with globalist George Soros in efforts to undermine the Russian
state and its president all in the name of "democracy" and "equality." [See, "George Soros
Aghast as Collapsing EU, while Russia Resurgent," January 19, 2018]
But, just what kind of "democracy" and what kind of "equality" do Kirchick and Soros
defend?
The rant of a coddled establishment chickenhawk, who is quite overrated, relative to the
positions accorded to him (Nasty people don't deserve kindness.)
A suggestive dose of McCarthyism that simplistically references the Cold War period with
present day realities, which include a subjectively inaccurate overview of what has
transpired in Syria and Crimea. Put mildly, James Kirchick is quite ironic in his use of
"lazy".
To me it is all quite simple.
FDR's aim was to rule the war with junior aides USSR, China and a smaller Britain.
Stalin had other ideas.
Even in 1946 FDR's main backer, Baruch pleaded for a world government, a USA government, in
my view.
Deep State still tries to impose this world government.
Despite Trump 'America first' we see a Bolton in the White House, as many see 'the neocons
are back'.
Cannot see much difference between neocons and Deep State.
The big mistake of the British empire was unwillingless to realise that it could no longer
maintain the empire.
This already began before 1914, when the two fleet standars became too expensive, the one
fleet standard expressed the inability to maintain the empire.
Obama was forcedto reduce the two war standard to one and half.
What a half war accomplishes we see in Syria.
Alas, seldom in history did reason rule.
If it will in the present USA, I doubt it.
Sanctions are always a prelude to war. Sanctions are in fact an act of war. Putin's mistake
was in thinking he could reason with the Neoconservatives. The Neocons are not guided by
pragmatic or rational concerns. Of course, many are starting to think Putin was just "part of
the show" all along, as evidenced by his recent capitulation to Netanyahu.
The American Government are a bunch of morons. I ask again "what has Russia ever done to the
USA"? A real thin book as far as I can see, time to grow up and be big boys, there's money
over there.
The American diplomat, Bruce P Jackson, who is credited with expanding NATO, made a statement
several years ago. He heavily criticized Putin, saying he was responsible for "the largest
theft of Jewish property since the Nazis."
Excellent analysis by Dr. Cathey of the roots of the anti-Russian hysteria. This is also
reflected in popular culture – Hollywood movies and the various spy/covert ops novels
of people like Ted Bell and Brad Thor, who has hinted that he may run against Trump in the
2020 Republican primaries. Russians have replaced Arabs as the go-to villains.
Was Jackson referring to some of the oligarchs who had fallen out with Putin and was he
suggesting Putin rather than the state benefitted? Would he have included the Orthodox
Khordokovsky as Jewish?
The neocons are a collection of sick, murderous, fanatical supremacist ideologues who have
turned the U.S. into the most despicable criminal regime on earth. Because of their control
and influence over the U.S. imperial military/political assets, combined with their
psychopathic mentality and ideology, these scumbags pose a clear threat to the entire world,
but especially to Russia and Europe (and to the U.S. itself, of course). The irony in all of
this is that, although these mostly Jewish bottom-feeders like to smear any foreign leader
they'd like to demonize as "the new Hitler" etc., they themselves are more nefarious and
dangerous to the planet than Hitler and his German Nazis ever were.
Nothing will change until the major members of the neocon collective start getting
individually singled out and receiving the harsh punishments they deserve.
I wonder what jewish property Putin stole.
In the USSR there was hardly any private property.
What was stolen, sold for ridiculously low prices, was state property, to former USSR
managers, and/or foreign 'investors'.
As far as I understand it, some crooks have been persecuted.
Any foreigner who, after 1990, went to live in a former USSR state can explain it.
Some did to me.
Possibly Jackson is referring to how Putin threw out Soros, and his Open Society
indoctrination organisation.
Hungary just now also threw him out.
Timmermans of the EU again threatened the E European nations, for refusing to let migrants
enter.
Soros wants multi ethnic countries
"Cannot see much difference between neocons and Deep State."
And that means that the US Deep State can NOT have a Jewish creation, because it
existed a long time before 1948, a long time before 1939, a long time before the creation of
the Federal Reserve.
There is a reason that Neocons love Alexander Hamilton and Abraham Lincoln: the
former was an apologist for the nascent American Deep State, and the latter its perfect tool
right down to being ready and able to slaughter huge numbers of non-Elite whites so the then
virtually 100% WASP-in-blood Elite Deep State could totally control the growing nation.
The source of the American Deep State is the same as England's Deep State: Oliver
Cromwell's deal with Jews, a deal granting Jews special rights and privileges and made
precisely in order to have the money to wage total war to exterminate non-WASP white
Christian cultures and identities.
That is exactly what the Neocons are determined to continue, and they are correct whenever
they assert that they are being loyal to the history and heritage of the Puritans and of
Abraham Lincoln's Republican Party and of the US in the Spanish-American War, World War 1 and
World War 2.
What is different about today's Neocons and, say, the growing number of Jews with major
voices among the British Deep State at the height of Victorianism is that now the original
junior partner has become the acting partner, the dominant partner.
But the original alliance is the same.
You cannot separate the Neocon problem from the WASP problem. You cannot solve the Neocon
problem without also solving the WASP problem.
This is true only in the loosest sense. There is a huge difference between holding church
membership, or attending church, and being a Christian. Putin may have done the 1st two, but
the last is utterly unknown to him.
Can't believe any sane American thinks Russians – including beautiful Russian tennis
players are more of a threat to us in 2018 then say M13 Gang banger invaders, Chicago Black
street gangs, Afghan and Pakistani child rapists or just the sub Saharan Black African mobs
with their machetes.
We commissioned some Farstar cartoons on this theme – seems pretty basic to me, but
the J media mafia simply goes on and on – there is supposedly a Russian spy behind
every bush, some Russians posted anti Hillary posts on Facebook – oh the horror!
While there is some "hysteria" when it comes to Russia, there is also much truth out there,
some of which the author is willing to write off as little more than conspiracy theories.
It is passing strange that those who have strongly criticized Putin have ended up dead.
Anytime one appears to be a serious threat to Putin's position they end up dead. It is
possible that Putin isn't responsible, but given the numbers and the circumstances, it is
likely he knows what is going on.
While Putin was never head of the KGB, much of what he has been up to was learned form
iron Felix's organization. To say Putin is a KGB thug is far from being out of line.
What he has done in Ukraine should make the man, and the country he heads, a pariah.
Eastern Europe is right to be concerned. The fact that Putin has stated, rather pointedly,
that the extent of the USSR is Russia makes the accusation of him being a Soviet revanchist
appropriate as well.
Much of what the author seeks to write off as hysteria, isn't. That "hysteria" is a proper
concern for what Putin is up to, and what he intends. Fortunately, Russia is too impoverished
to all Putin to realize his neo-Tsarist empire. And in pursuing his self-aggrandizing path,
he impoverishes his people even more.
The business of the Zionist controlled U.S. gov is WAR and this has been the agenda since
1913 and the establishment of the Zionist FED and the Zionist IRS and thus began the WAR
agenda and the American people were set up to pay for the Zionist created wars and the
Zionist agenda of a Zionist NWO.
Thus the Zionists need an enemy and have created enemies where none existed, the case in
point being Russia and lesser created enemies the case in point being any given country in
the Mideast that Israel and the Zionists wish to destroy. In the case of Russia the Zionists
have the added incentive of trying to destroy a Christian country as Russia is now and
historically has been Christian with the exception of the Satanist Zionist takeover of Russia
in 1917 and the murder of some 60 million Russian people by the Satanist ie Zionist
communists.
The U.S. gov is under satanic Zionist control and proof of this is the fact that Israel
and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 and got away with and every thinking person
knows this to be the truth, may GOD help we the people of America.
While I defer to no one in my loathing and contempt for the WASPs of the Northeastern
U.S., whose career of mischief began with the brutal war of conquest against my native South,
I'd would like to point out what I see as some problems in your assigning to Oliver Cromwell
to baleful title of WASP the first.
To wit: "Oliver Cromwell's deal with Jews, a deal granting Jews special rights and
privileges."
This simply isn't true. Menasseh ben Israel did indeed present a "Humble Address on Behalf
of the Jewish Nation" to the Lord Protector and the Counsel of State in 1655. Readmission was
opposed by most of the English people and of the Puritan pastorate. However, there was no Act
of Parliament, proclamation by Cromwell or notice from the Council of State allowing
readmittance. Some historians have "deduced" that Cromwell have Menasseh "verbal assurance
that they'd be allowed it, but those are deductions and speculation and no more. As far as sa
subsequent petition for Jews to be allowed to practice Judaism in their homes and have a
burial place outside the City of London, Cromwell referred that to the Council of State,
which took no action.
Who did grant the Jews religious tolerance and naturalized a number of Jews by an Act of
Parliament? Why, Charles II – after the Restoration.
You wrote: "made precisely in order to have the money to wage total war to exterminate
non-WASP white Christian cultures and identities."
I can only assume you are referring to the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland, which began in
May 1649. I assume you're aware that Ireland had been engulfed in a bloody and brutal civil
war since 1641; indeed, one of the precipitating causes of the English Civil War was the
matter of who would control the army raised to suppress the rebellion (Charles I or
Parliament). Also as you know, England was swept by fear that Charles meant to bring an Irish
army to England to suppress Parliament (and, indeed, there's probably more evidence that this
was the actual case than there is that Cromwell cut a deal with the Jews). At any rate, there
is no one single shred of evidence or even contemporary speculation that the Cromwellian
conquest was at the behest of the Jews. It should be instead regarded in the context of the
17th century wars of religion, rather than 21st century conspiracy theory. Cromwell ended the
civil war and pacified Ireland – in a brutal fashion, of course, but probably less
vicious than Wallenstein in Germany.
Or are you referring to the Scots, crushed at Preston, Dunbar and Worcester? Again, the
quarrel with the scots was over the matter of church governance, and the English
unwillingness to impost the Presbyterian system on England. If Cromwell stood for anything,
it was religious tolerance for the various sects that exploded after the Civil War; the sort
of forced conformity demanded by the Scots displeased him (see the letters to Major Crawford
in 1643).
And while both the New Englanders and English are labeled "Puritan," may I point out that
the Puritan movement was a large one, with considerable variance. Cromwell favored tolerance
and theologically tended toward a sort of univeralism (to judge by his pastors, eg Jeremiah
Burroughs); I imagine that if he had gone to New England, he'd have been chased out along
with Sarah Hutchinson and Roger Williams by the fanatical shits of Boston.
Boston is the "urgrund" of the WASP plague; not Cromwell. And while there's any number of
things to fault him for, creation of the WASP was not one of them. In theological and
existential terms, Cromwell and the New Model were probably closer to the Puritan "pioneers"
of the Appalachian and Southern frontiers – many of whom were descended of troops
planted in Ireland by Cromwell – and who of course made up the rank and file of the
Confederate States Army.
You might want to take a look at the history of the Unitarian movement. You'd find
everything you need to support your dislike of the WASP plaque there; I certainly have.
1 undermines democracy abroad, and America struggles with poisonous threats from the right
and left."
Think of Israel. But no don't think of Isreal. That is anti Semitism
2 "Putin wants to re-establish the Soviet Union" or "Putin was head of the KGB" or "Putin has
had his enemies assassinated," and so on, ad nauseum)."
Think of US – harking back to the past of Roosevelt and Reagan and Eisenhower or to
Monroe
Think of Pap Bush working for CIA
Thinks of thousands of people – leaders, trade unionists, communist, socialists killed
by USA
3 Bill Browder, the grandson of -- – have documented, and he is engaged in a vicious
personal vendetta against Vladimir Putin."
Think of -
be afraid of the screwing the neocons They will move to China or India and denounce US sue
the country, and poison the well of the democracy and the well of the justice ,media,
religious organizations to get back at US
4 James Kirchick: -- efforts to "close borders" against Muslim immigrants "
Think of the perversions of the beliefs and attitudes within the psyche of this false
man
He is of the same mindset that encourages Islamophobia among the clueless , zealous fervent
bible thump er and among the poor indigent uneducated misinformed white populations of France
USA Australia and Poland . He does same to the military and leftists secular outfit of
Richard Dawkins .
He then encourages to dismember Arabs countries . The half-baked moron Richard Dawkins type,
and military, and the white trash fall for it and get ready to pick up the gun for the
invisible pervasive psychopathic chants of Kirchick. He also makes sure that each and every
members of the opposite conflicting groups never stray way from kowtowing to Zionism who is
the enemy of the Islam and the Christianity and the of the respective people.
Jews definitely feel comfortable in all weather and among the separates and in all kind of
geography
The more Christian that country and its leaders become, the more the atheistic west hates
them. Too bad "Uncle Joe" wasn't still the Premier. We would treat that murderous atheist as
a beloved relative, maybe even hand him over half of eastern Europe like we did last time.
Instead, we send in LGBT protesters to disturb their new found faith.
From the other side of the Atlantic, what is the WASP problem ?
Whatever one thinks of the USA, protestants from NW Europe created the USA.
Their descendants, in my view, defend their culture.
Hardly any culture in the world goes under without a fight.
Some, maybe many, Germans, again the exception.
Also waiting for that other nut who always comes with his tirades about "surrendering ukraine
to Putin", no matter what article is about.
Mike something, was it?
"talking about Putin, calling him "the new Hitler," and who asserted that Putin had
committed "worse crimes" than the German dictator."
Classic garbage in, garbage out.
fact: Hitler and the Germans did not, could not have committed the crimes they are
alleged to have committed.
"we've often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And
to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in
Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do?
We didn't have the evidence."
- so called "holocaust historian" Raul Hilberg,
Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ridiculous
'holocaust' storyline is the message.
The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
See the 'holocaust' scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
"Neoconservatives descend from Russian Jews from the Pale of Settlement, whose memories go
back to the pre-Communist days of persecution and pogroms under the Tsars. They originally
welcomed Lenin and the Communist regime as liberators and formed some of its staunchest
supporters and apparatchiks in the regime of terror that followed (especially in the Cheka
and KGB) until Josef Stalin unleashed a wave of anti-semitism after World War II."
There is no proof of these "pogroms" and the fake "wave of anti-semitism after World War
II".
The source of such claims are Jews who benefit / profit from making such claims.
The umpteenth serving of the classic US hegemonist pro-Putin/anti-EU line. The distinction is
thus not between those who favour the maintenance of US global hegemony and those who oppose
it. It is whether Putin is still useful as a battering ram to destroy the EU precisely so as
to maintain US global hegemony into the indefinite future. The most logical explanation of
the known facts surrounding the Ukrainian coup is that Victoria Nuland was in cahoots with
Putin. Behind Nuland, of course were the US neocons. The split came when Putin waded into the
Syrian civil war on Assad's side. By doing so he made himself a threat to Israel and, for the
neocons, the whole point of maintaining US global hegemony is to prop up Israel. Logically,
therefore, their priority became Putin's defeat and removal. The other side of the US
hegemonist camp, which seems to be motivated by something like hubris or a master race
delusion, still believes that Putin can be used to break up the EU. That's the position Mr
Cathey is arguing.
I don't think Putin is still viable as an anti-EU battering ram. The American groups that
have been financing far-right nationalism in Europe have got caught in the web of their own
contradictions. On the one hand, they preach national identity and sovereignty to us but
then, as Mr Cathey is doing here, they justify Putin's refusal to respect Ukrainian
sovereignty and the Ukrainian national identity. Secondly, European nationalism is
essentially "anti-other". That means that it is inherently anti-American, which makes newly
nationalist Europe the inevitable enemy of US domination. It also means that anti-Semitism is
inherent in European nationalism, which is probably what has Soros up in arms. The final
contradiction is that, very often, the same people who preach nationalism at us in Europe
preach white nationalism in the US. If white Americans are a single ethnic group and entitled
to live in a single political entity, then we white Europeans must also be a single ethnic
group and should also live in a single political entity (the EU, for example).
I never cease to be amused at the way in which the various American anti-EU scams cut across
each other and cancel each other out!
"WASP" in the "USA" refers fairly specifically to the Protestants of New England and New
York who as a result of the War of Northern Aggression attained complete power over the
development of the American empire. Their interests were concentrated in banking, railroads,
industry and so on. While descended from the Puritans of New England, most of them had lost
any traditional religious fervor by, oh, 1700 or so and gradually moved into loopy,
nonsensical ideologies like Transcendentalism, Unitarianism, the Social Gospel, and various
other creation-fixing endeavors like temperance, abolitionist, progressivism and so on. To
them can be attributed the Gnostic notion of the United States as God's appointed righter of
wrongs around the world, with quite coincidentally matched up with their commercial
interests. On the whole about as nasty and horrible group of people that ever walked the
earth; however. WASP does not include the white Anglo-Saxon Protestants of Appalachia, the
Deep South, Texas and so on. The Bush family are WASPs. Robert E. Lee was not a WASP. Jake is
correct to disdain them; he's wrong in saying Cromwell was the archetype.
@ Neoconservatives descend from Russian Jews from the Pale of Settlement.. yes but the Lenin
crowd were from Salonkia (1908) and Hertzl's Germany @ many above Exactly, the by name, rank
and serial number identification including dual nationalities, corporate by name ownership,
board membership, and positions, management, advisory positions or whatever.
Deeper yet into the deep state might identify the corporate officers, directors and
outside auditors who serve the needs of those identified. Bureaucrat who echo deep state
intentions might be a problem?
Who cannot name the few corporations and their owners and directors that strongly support
the neocon ideology on the Internet? Which does the intelligence gathering (spying), which
processes the data(data mining), which produces and sells OS(limits user security), which
makes sleuthing back doors for browsers and application software, which make the devices that
negotiate the bits between hardware (CPU) and software (OS), you know one bit for you the
user and a duplicate bit of your bit for deep state intelligence units.
At the next level is the global benefactors(Profiteers) . expensive war equipment makers,
oil well production gear makers, robot makers, transport organizations, phantom for hire
mercenary armies labor agencies, Democrat and Republican candidates managers to be placed on
the "vote for 5 election" ballots, inventors of the fake, producers of "the fake" into
propaganda, distributors of the propaganda designed fake news to masses in the public, and
access managers who gate, for massive fees, lobbyist into see and deal with politicians,
media giants, and power wielding bureaucrats.
As I looked through this list I realized that if the public were to deny its elected
government authority to support its neocon capitalist, the entire economy would be forced to
switch from Global to Domestic.. showering all kinds of benefits on the governed sheep
. No wonder the government is so insistent: without globalism there is no neocon-ism, without
neocon-ism open competition would flourish, the restrictions on human progress in copyrights
and patents would disappear and prices would move from controlled levels to competitive
levels.
But I do not think the neocons are "ideologues" ; unless lawless disregard for
humanity in search of profit, is an ideology. I am not even sure they are tightly organized,
they are not colonist, they are monopolist (meaning any profit potential (tangible or
intangible) will soon belong to them or be within their control. They will write laws, or get
nations to sanction, start wars, regime change, terrorize, whatever to advance and to protect
their exclusive right to competition free profit making); you might call it ownership of all
of the factors of production by whatever means is necessary. I look at them as capitalist,
who have co-opted many different governments, who have forgone their humanity, who
independently profiteer, interactively, and for a multitude of different reasons, to produce
a common collective set of extremely effective outcomes.
Interesting, the video asserts that part of Leo Strauss's philosophy was the introduction of
Plato's 'Noble Lie', which, in this case, was the bugaboo of an evil Russian Empire as a foil
to bring Americans together and avoid the inevitable collapse of liberalism into nihilism. I
wonder if anyone can confirm this as part of Strauss's gift the the neopsychoticons?
Also, pretty obvious reason for hatred of Russia is the closeness of the State and the
Church. Strauss here talks about how the secular sphere has but one purpose, providing room
for the meddlers to thrive:
The Neocons are mad at Russia for standing in their way of taking over the world. All in the
name of "democracy" of course, nothing sinister there. Russia, and as a matter of fact, the
whole world stood by and let the US have their way for almost 25 years. What did they
accomplish? Diddly. So now, they want Russia to get out of the way for another (at least) 25
years, so they can spread some more "democracy". Let me tell you something, if they couldn't
do it with virtually no opposition between 1991 -2014, and on a trillion dollar "defence"
budgets, maybe there is something else that should be blamed other than Russia. Maybe it's
their incompetence.
James Kirchick: by encouraging balkanization of ME per the plans advocated by PNAC now FDD
and Friends of Syria or SITE -Sharon-Netanahyu Joe Lieberman Kirchick favorite White Helmet
or Jishs Fishas Islam Whitewash ludicrous Jihadist and cemented in stone by Yoneen Yidod ( or
what ever is the name of that Jew ) sends those same muslims he encourages the "deplorable"
to feel suspicious and hate and same time advocating the acceptance by the countries .
"Neo-Tsarist empire." Ha, that's rich. Congrats, you've managed to outdo even the most
unhinged anti-Putin elements of the l'chaimstream media.
"impoverishes his people even more." You mean be improving their lives as measured by
virtually every metric since kicking out the (((Russian))) banksters and their (((American)))
advisers who were robbing the place blind? Dude, you're delusional. Go peddle your nonsense
elsewhere.
My favorite part of the Renew Democracy Initiative's manifesto:
10. The extremists share a disdain for the globalism on which modern prosperity is
based. Whether they are far-left or far-right, they believe in top-down solutions to
problems that can best be resolved through greater freedom, competition, openness and
mobility . Both seek power without compromise or coalition and defer to the rule of law
only when it strengthens their own position. These illiberal forces embrace divisive
rhetoric that makes rational debate impossible. Indeed, they frequently reject established
facts and scientific reasoning in favor of conspiracy theories and malicious myths. Liberal
democracy must address the problems of those disadvantaged by economic change with
practical programs grounded in fact and reason.
Amazing! There are two parts to this. The "openness and mobility" is a nod towards their
status as rootless kosmopolity who destroy civil society and local communities in favor of a
permanent, mobile underclass. But they actually imply that globalism is bottom-up; that
globalism is the result of liberty and the free market. Such balls, these people.
I recall an article long ago where he suggested that the US Govt. should address the
drug addition problem in the USA by assassinating drug dealers on the streets in the
USA .
Russia seems to be returning to its older national and pre-Communist heritage, to its
age-old Orthodox Christian faith. Russians are returning by the millions to the church and
the "old-time" religion. For Kirchick this can only mean one thing: the triumph of bigotry,
anti-semitism, and "extreme right wing" ideology, and the failure of what he terms "liberal
democracy and equality".
more so even than any concern for Jewish supremacy or glorification of sodomy or all the
other shibboleths oozing out of the gaping orifices of Jewish fudge packers like Kirchick, is
a visceral, unearthly animosity (hatred) for the Western world and its (comparatively)
beautiful, well-adjusted, happy and prosperous people.
Indeed, it is the 'happy' part that drives them insane with stinging malice and seething,
rancorous rage.
I remember as a kid celebrating Christmas, and how the Jewish children I knew were not
allowed. This is all part of the carefully constructed paradigm that the Jewish elite impose
on their people to keep them resentful and envious. Eventually metastasizing into a
deep-seated hatred.
They want to see all those ruddy-cheeked Christians pay! for their pain during those
terrible years.
Like the boy who was picked last for sports or never 'got the girl', they develop a
psychological imperium of wrath, which their religion bolsters in spades.
That is why when ever they get the drop on the Gentiles (who tormented them with
good-natured hails of 'Merry Christmas!, which stung to their core, because all that love and
happiness was not for them. ) – regardless of the obvious sincerity of the
Christians. – [which made it even worse]
Eventually it roils and burns in their ids like an acid. And they want revenge. And
that's why the Palestinians, and the Syrians and Lebanese are menaced day and night.
That's why the Russians and Ukrainians and Estonians and Poles, and so many others
suffered to monstrously under the cruel Jewish, Bolshevik yoke.
It has nothing to do with fear over a re-ascendant Russia. Hardly. That's laughable.
Rather, the reason they can't abide Russians going to church and thriving and prospering,
is because it means the Russians have become happy again, and that drives them
absolutely bonkers with murderous, Talmudic rage.
Good description of them. Basically I see all their anti Russian crap, as a revenge minded
attitude so often seen from jews. They tried to overtake the largest nation, of mainly Whites
and Christians, at least once prior to 1917 jewish revolt against Russia. That was I believe
in 1905, it ended when the $$$ ended. But with another better funded, by usa and german
fellow jew banksters, attempt in 1917.
Those Bolshevik jews took over Russia first, then every eastern nation which also was
mainly a White and Christian peoples nation's. They did so basically by mass Murdering aprox
1/2 of orig populations in those nations. And now 100 years later, after Russian soviet
commies has crashed, and a huge return to prior Christian ways etc, is going gangbusters Due
to Bolsheviks and jews for the most part getting that Big Boot Out jews are so famous
for.
So now here in America we have inherited most of those Children and especially Grand Kid
jew commies of the Orig 100 years ago Russian Bolshevik butchers, torturers, and mass
murderous bastards. And besides infiltrated into All what matters in usa society and govnt
and culture, they also have as a "side agenda" of sorts a massive huge Lusting for typical
jewish blood thirsty revenge upon Russia and its Christian Whites,and of course its leader
Putin. Those jews had Russia in palm of hand, then totally Lost it. They began with around
8.5 to maybe 10-million jews in Russia/Poland soviet and today have around less than 27o,ooo
total jews within Russia iirc.
Likely it was Putin more than all other issues or reasons those, mostly jewish swindlers,
finally were also Booted Out and their scammed assets from their Raping of Russia resources
etc Taken away from them Being such mamon/money worshipers they are also so famous for, no
other thing would so piss them scamming jews off eh.
I also believe that after the jewish 1917 revolt in Russia, when top control jews there
with plans to use control of Russia as largest nation on earth, to gain their foamed at mouth
lust of a JWO control made reality. That it finally dawned on them that in order to Rule as a
JWO one world govnt of jewry Vs all gentile others, they could never do so without a huge
Navy like usa has.
You must have Navy ships to Carry Jet fighter planes To distant areas you wish to rule
over, because most other nations wont simply agree to being jew-ruled with a JWO clan of
fanatical jewry. Ergo you need also Ocean Waters, warm waters to Park said ships and navigate
those waters to get to those other reluctant nations. Russia failed for such scheme plans for
jewry.
So since so many of the tribe were in usa already .Just join fellow tribe in usa, and turn
America and its military etc into a huge Tool of international jewry so to complete jwo plans
that Russia didn't fulfill.
And both the agenda of jewish revenge, as well as their desired jwo plans probably play an
equal part within those evil nasty minds that they are also so famous for having.
In response to your query, the difference between the US and Russia is that in geopolitics
the latter has performed well above the cards it has been dealt with.
And where, dear sir, can we find any "religious fervor" in the likes of that beau ideal of
the Southern antebellum statesman, John C. Calhoun? Calhoun began life as a Calvinist (a
Presbyterian) and ended it as a kind of Unitarian. This is almost the exact trajectory as the
religious life of the Boston Yankee culture. The Old Nullificator was backcountry
Scotch-Irish – as opposed to WASP – but Unitarian crap is Unitarian crap no
matter where it exists.
Calhoun was, of course, a giant among those of the 1830s and '40s who pushed the South
from the 18th century American conception of slavery – as something that should be
contained until its eventual death – to a new conception that exclaimed, vigorously,
that slavery was a legitimate part of the American way of life. No, no. I cannot abide this
poison. If you all want to condemn Hamilton and Sumner and all, go ahead. I'll agree. But
when Lincoln – that flawed man – saw the original sin of the American republic as
the protection of slavery, he was right. And he was neither fanatical nor alone in his view.
To this day, we tend to conflate Lincoln and the anti-slavery bloc with the radical
Republican abolitionist bloc. This is unfair.
General Meade, the victor of Gettysburg, was condemned by the radical Republicans in
Congress because of their hatred for Lincoln. Some unity there.
The Anti-Federalist Marylander Luther Martin was right to criticize the powerful framers
for allowing the slavery problem to go on, for enshrining it in the Constitution. Too many
antebellum Southern elites decided that the likes of Martin were wrong.
You will find few "Northerners" more amenable to the South than me. I live only a few
miles north of the Mason-Dixon. I count Confederate soldiers among my kin. One was even born
in Pennsylvania, and fought in his own hometown during Lee's invasion.
But no one forced the state of South Carolina to fire at Fort Sumter. No one in the North
forced the Southern elites to accept a conception of black slavery as a "positive good" (i.e.
James Henry Hammond). The idea of a "War of Northern Aggression" is convenient and cute, but
I live near Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. You may not have heard of its burning, but I have.
And it attests to the truth, which is that if the South had the numbers the North had, then
it would have done what you all so hate Sherman and Custer for doing in Georgia and the
Shenandoah: burn, burn, burn. Perhaps there were just as many hell-fire and brimstone types
in the South as there were in Boston.
P.S. Judah Benjamin. Apparently those Southern "Anglo-Saxons" (As General Lee described
himself) weren't so uncomfortable with the Jewish folks.
There is a lot of truth in this piece, but I think that the overall spin is misleading.
Putin's orthodox faith (likely pretended; he seems to be too intelligent for a true
believer), history of Jewish persecution in Russia, etc., are secondary factors. The US
elites (neocons are just one type of servants they hired) are mad that the world refuses to
be unipolar. Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and many lesser countries, arouse
"righteous indignation" of the robbers because they refuse to let themselves be looted and
bossed by the US elites. All sorts of thieves joined the choir: Jewish and gentile, "right"
and "left", military and civilian, the only common denominator being that they stole a lot
and resent being thwarted from stealing even more. Moreover, the almighty dollar is about to
be exposed as a king with no clothes by various countries switching the trade to their own
currencies, undermining the Ponzi schemes of the US dollar and US government debt. The
hysterical US foreign policy in the last 10-15 years, with its mindless suicidal
aggressiveness, is in fact death throes of an Empire that resents going down the drain, like
all dominant Empires before it, but cannot do anything about inevitable course of history.
Wally, by keeping Americans always focused on Hitler and Nazis and SS storm troops, they
will not have time, nor ever find out what the Real True 20th century crimes against humanity
were. When starting in 1917 JEWS that invented communism, and Used it as main means to mass
murder almost 1/2 of eastern euro nations and Russia itself Those crimes and mass killings
jewry should get blame for makes whatever bads or evils done by Hitler and Nazis Pale in
comparison, and makes german Nazis look like small kindergarten kiddies at play in back yard
sand box with wooden swords.
Thanks to internet over past 15 years, many usa folks are waking up and getting very
jewized up.
Which we know is main reason such massive attempts at internet censorship has been
occurring. And is happening at a furious pace like no other agenda we have seen in our lives.
Plus the EU and Canada nations non stop Prison terms for truth tellers of any jew issues.
Soon to arrive here in usa with 99.9% of us senate and congress full approval votes when
pressed by AIPAC and 599 Other jewish usa orgs.
We can toss out our sun glasses as our American future does Not look bright at all. Unless
we see soon a massive wake up call and enough armed citizens willing to take back America.
That too looks very dim so far.
I think Jake should say WASP elites rather than just WASP. The majority of the US Anglo-Saxon
stock are working class and middle class who, along with the Catholic Irish, German, and
Italian, have made this country what it is; and in their demographic decline we see the
decline of the United States. The problem here and abroad are elites. Elites of any kind.
In every political question we should remember to look past grandiose abstractions and see
the operative gut loyalties, both our own and those of the competing sides. What is going on
with Russia is simply Jewish mania to prevent Russia from being Russian and keep it under
Jewish or surrogate rule. Similarly, NATO and the EU are now just enforcers of political
correctness. The Slavs and other illiberal peoples of central and eastern Europe are to be
re-subjugated now that Communism is not there to persecute the priests and re-educate the
sexists. The author, in citing ancient persecutions of Jews to excuse the machinations of
current Jews, attempts to meet his critic half-way. Some day perhaps we will be able to state
the truth without the dance of apology.
Here is an analogy: Suppose in the 90s we thought it critical to weigh in on the Northern
Irish Question. Suppose we had a Department of Irish Affairs to formulate US policy, and it
was staffed by Clancy, Reilly, Finnegan, O'Toole and O'Meara. Would anyone hesitate to raise
the issue of objectivity? Or suppose our middle-eastern team consisted of 5 guys named
Muhammad. Do you think there might be questions?
The US elites (neocons are just one type of servants they hired)
ah, so it was Dubya all along!
what a clever little schemer he was! Pretending all that time to be dumb as a rock, and a
tool of organized Zionism, while he was using the neocons to his own advantage!
So while ((Wolfowitz and Feith and Pearl and Kristol)) were being schooled at the feet of
((Leo Strauss)), it was Dubya the college cheerleader all along who was the mastermind behind
the Project for a New American Century and 9/11 !
sure, Goldman Sachs and Hollywood get federal subsidies, but it's the (dying) American
middle class that has been exploiting the world's poor!
The hysterical US foreign policy in the last 10-15 years, with its mindless
suicidal aggressiveness, is in fact death throes of an Empire that resents going
down the drain,
what's been going down the drain has been the blood and tears and future of working class
Americans, forced to suit up their children to go slaughter innocent Arabs and others in a
transparent and treasonous policy intended to bolster Israel – at the direct and
catastrophic expense of America and the American people.
I wonder, as the American people are taxed to the tune of billions every year, to send to
Israel as tribute, is that also a case of US elites using Israel to their own devices? As
Americas roads and bridges crumble, and veterans are denied care?
Or, is it just possible, that the ((owners)) of the Federal Reserve Bank, have used that
printing press as a weapon to consolidate absolute power over the institutions of the
ZUSA?
Do you suppose that when France bombs Libya or menaces Syria, that they're doing it to
benefit the French elite? And that Israel is their dupe, who give them a pretext for doing
so? Or that the French (and British and Polish and Ukrainian, etc..) elite are getting their
marching orders from Jewish supremacist Zionists who're hell bent on using Gentile Christians
to slaughter Gentile Muslims while they laugh and count the shekels? Eh?
It is passing strange that those who have strongly criticized Putin have ended up
dead.
The logic of this is fascinating in its perversity. Lot's of people who don't criticize
Putin at all or downright admire him die including under unclear circumstances – the
West just doesn't notice. For example, several Russian diplomat have died suddenly and
prematurely in various countries – out UN representative Churkin would be the prime
example. Can you imaging how many wonderful conspiracy theories we could have concocted
should we be so inclined?
It's the same exact "logic" ridiculed in "conclusions" like this: "Everyone who eats
cucumbers dies". And those who don't live forever?
What he has done in Ukraine should make the man, and the country he heads, a pariah.
He, meaning Putin, hasn't done anything in Ukraine – the West did. The West
organized and supported a coup bringing to the power a super-corrupt illegitimate
"government" that relies on armed neo-Nazi groups for the control of the county. Now Ukraine
is a failed state with the dominant neo-Nazi ideology, nonexistent economy, impoverished and
fleeing population and repressive political system, not to mention a civil war. All Putin did
was to resist this development as much as possible, and I do not believe he should be blamed
for that.
War on the poor and defenseless, it what the Neocon and Zionist-puppet traitors do best.
Terrorists in Syria (white helmets) getting 7 million in new funding from Trump, just as
Russia warns of new chemical attack false flag is in the works. Must kill evil dicktater
Assad for protecting those Christians inside Syria
Russia Warns "Credible Information" Of Impending Staged Chemical Attack In Syria
Thanks for your eloquent response. A few thoughts:
1. I wouldn't extend Calhoun's religion, ot the lack thereof, to the "common soldier" of
the Confederacy. You might take a look at Fehrenbach's "Lone Star" history of Texas; he
understands the "puritanism" of the South.
2.
But when Lincoln – that flawed man – saw the original sin of the
American republic as the protection of slavery, he was right.
–> sorry, I don't think "original sin" is attributable to nations. History is a
bloodbath, and always will be, and the whole notion that slavery is some sort of "sin"
demanding atonement is quite ridiculous. That's the sort of gnosticism practiced by the
Bostonians that played sure a huge part in causing the War of Nort.. er. War for Southern
Independence. Far as antebellum slavery itself, might I recommend the work of Genovese and
Fogelberg on the character of American slavery? A review of how exactly the victorious
Yankees and their Republican bosses provided for the liberated slaves after Appomattox is
enlightening.
3.
But no one forced the state of South Carolina to fire at Fort Sumter.
Saint Abe himself admitted he connived South Carolina into opening fire.
4.
I live near Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. You may not have heard of its burning, but I
have.
So we have that in common!
5.
nd it attests to the truth, which is that if the South had the numbers the North had,
then it would have done what you all so hate Sherman and Custer for doing in Georgia and
the Shenandoah: burn, burn, burn. Perhaps there were just as many hell-fire and brimstone
types in the South as there were in Boston.
This is speculation on your part, so hardly the truth. Stonewall Jackson, of course, would
have been happy to bring fire and sword to the North. Probably Edward Ruffin, too. But at the
same time, the South was primarily acting a defensive capacity during the war, not as a force
of invasion.
5.a: "
Perhaps there were just as many hell-fire and brimstone types in the South as there were
in Boston."
hellfire and brimstone in what sense?
6,
P.S. Judah Benjamin. Apparently those Southern "Anglo-Saxons" (As General Lee described
himself) weren't so uncomfortable with the Jewish folks.
-- yes, AND? What's your point? what's this to do with anything? When the Confederate
memorial in Beaumont, Texas was dedicated around the turn of the last century, the local
rabbi gave opening remarks. Different creeds tended to get along somewhat better in Dixie.
That's a well known fact.
7.
You will find few "Northerners" more amenable to the South than me. I live only a few
miles north of the Mason-Dixon. I count Confederate soldiers among my kin.
Why would I find that controversial? Are you suggesting I was arguing for a "celtic
south"? I always thought the notion ridiculous. I know Grady McWhiney and others push it, but
it's inaccurate to say the least.
Elites are robbing Americans and foreigners alike. In fact, the US population gets some
crumbs off elites' table, and enjoys higher living standards than it would have in fair
global competition.
The overall educational level and the level of awareness of what's going on in the world in
the US is dismal. Elites arranged that by maintaining pathetic education system and spreading
lies via MSM; ignorant sheep are more likely to obey, and to approve of persecution of those
"black sheep" who are less ignorant and don't buy the lies of the MSM. Did we see any
protests against "Patriot Act" that trampled the very foundations of our Constitution? Sheep
don't protest, they just follow the leader.
However, we have to remember that clueless ignoramus in the US gets 5-10 times more than
similarly clueless ignoramus in China or India. Bush junior was genuinely dumb, but would he
become US President without his family's ill-gotten riches, or without his ex-CIA chief daddy
becoming the President first? Of course not, most morons in the US never fly that high. The
only reason for his "success" is the fact that he was born into an elite family.
As far as Jews are concerned, this appears to be yet another red herring, like
Russia-bashing. Are gentile Koch brothers or Walton family any better than the worst Jews in
the US? They are just as selfish, greedy, and repulsive as George Soros or Sheldon
Adelson.
See comment 51:
The problem here and abroad are elites. Elites of any kind.
Bolton must be "turning and burning." Good! Will Kim survive this at home? We will see. Will the North Koreans actually follow
through on this? We will see. Will the US follow through on this? We will see. Who will be the poor bastard who will be the first
McDonald's manager in Pyongyang? Will he end his days in the Gulag? What will Nancy Pelosi say about this? Where was Kim's dishy
sister during the Singapore expedition? She is the head of propaganda in NOKO. pl
I couldn't be happier with the outcome of this summit. No one is talking war in Korea anymore. So Trump gave away future military
exercises on the Peninsula and characterized them as provocative. So what? In exchange we have a North Korea feeling a little
less threatened. The idea of a denuclearized Peninsula could lead to a minimal or even nonexistent US presence along with a complete
dismantling of the North's nuclear weapons program. That would be grand. There will be a lot of fault found in this summit and
its outcome, but I don't care. This was a bold and courageous move on Trump's part. Some may think it was a courage born out of
ignorance, but it was also born out of a willingness to try something new, a willingness to deal with KJU as a partner. This is
refreshing. Trump done good and the world is better today than it was a few short months ago.
Perhaps Trump can apply this same reasoning to other military deployments and exercises. Recognize their potential provocativeness
and withdraw. Withdraw from Syria. Withdraw from Europe. Apply the same type of conciliatory engagement to Iran, Cuba and others
that he showed to North Korea. Now that would be a legacy.
Trump is blowing holes in old paradigms. The concepts he's applying aren't particularly genius; rather just sensible, but
he's the only one who seems to be able think outside the box enough to even consider making a try for a new way. I'm sure that
a lot of prep work went into this historic meeting; lots of wheeling and dealing. However, the simple yet elegant, idea behind
it all is that it's better for all parties to be friends than enemies. Trump has transcended all the moralizing that holds back
others (e.g."But North Korea has gulags!"). He realizes that redemption of bad actors is possible through friendship and prosperity.
An adversarial relationship fixes nothing unless an actual existential war is waged and one winner emerges from the carnage- and
war is costly. This kind of acting on cost/benefit analysis is one reason why some of us voted for a businessman as opposed to
a career pol. Glad you are able to give credit where it's due.
Now if Trump can just blow holes in the old paradigms concerning Iran and Cuba. Now would be the time to do it. Obama was doing
that in the case of Iran and Cuba and the neocons and Republicans gave him holy hell for daring to question those old paradigms.
If Trump could get over supporting anything Obama supported, I believe he could carry these policies of reconciliation to fruition
despite the opposition. He's like the honey badger. He just don't give a f#ck. And that's just what the situation calls for.
The ultimate paradigm that needs holes blown into it is Israel's parasitic relationship with the US. I've said it before. The
sooner Trump realizes our policies regarding Israel are a cost center, the better off we will all be.
IMO, he'll get there. First he needs to build momentum and trust. He has to prove himself to the world. NoKo is a great
place to start. The neocons and borg are less invested in certain outcomes there - therefore the probability of sabotage is lower.
Trump has to deal with both the external powers as well as the internal (I think the internal are the bigger barriers to success).
I don't think he really gives a flying f###k about how Kushner or his daughter feel about Israel. He tossed Israel and the US
rightwing a bone w/ the embassy move. That's as much as they'll get from here on out if they get too pushy. Despite some Islamic
quarters making big noise about it, I don't see them actually doing anything more than protesting and getting shot for it. We've
annihilated Iraqi uniformed forces twice in recent history. That serves as an object lesson to the rest of the countries in the
region. So a cost free bone toss by Trump as far as he is concerned.
I agree largely with your post, however I just cannot see how it can lead to further withdrawals, simply because it kind of
implies the US is there for the benefit of others and not for themselves. They could pull out of Europe now. Pretty sure everyone
knows Russia is not going to invade Europe, right?
But yes, Trump has shown good faith, and lets hope NK reciprocate. I think they will. The idea that Kim wants his country in
its current state is just ignorant.
I'd say the same reason why the US has bases all over the world. Please excuse my ignorance, I am just a lay man with a keen interest.
Why have bases in Japan? Or indeed anywhere? Hegemony, no? Why not pull out years ago? Genuine questions. The US seems to want
to check EU growth - why would they pull out their military presence there? Or, say, Japan? There are no "allies", just overlapping
interests, right?
Since Commodore Perry's mission to Japan in 1853, what has US gained except war and unemployment in her interactions with Japan?
Would it not have been a superior policy to leave Japan alone to wallow in her brutal feudalism and delay or prevent the unleashing
of that brutality on the rest of East Asia?
One could say the same about all empires I guess. The pursuit of power and domination seems to cloud all judgment. So, in your
opinion, should the US have any bases outside of the US? I am from the UK, so there are still bases lingering from our own days
of rule. They really just kept as forward operating positions, right? For example, the UK base in Cyprus used for ME operations.
The two Cyprus bases are just springboards for adventurism. IMO we should abandon NATO as a vestige of the Cold War an leave you
Europeans to your own devices. Korea? We should leave as soon as Trump can arrange it. Australia? Why are we there? So that we
can meddle in Asia? Where else? I can't think of anywhere we should stay off our own territory.
LeMoore00 "Hegemony" as a goal or reward has no value except to the collective ego of the Borg. If there was some economic value
derived from these commitments and deployments there would be some basis for your remark but there is not.
So is Trump genuinely trying to extricate the US from these situations? There is a view amongst the commentariat that perhaps
he is trying to alienate allies in order for them to begin cutting lossening ties with the US, causing the very isolation Trump
made a significant part of his campaign. Thoughts?
South Korea is strong and rich enough to look after the North. The complicated matter of how reunification will occur will be
for them to work out between them. The nuclear issue is really the easy part.
The necessary framework for nuclear disarmament or re-unification is a Global Peace - a la Peace of Yalta - is lacking; in
my opinion.
We have entered a period of Warring States - waiting, I suppose, for the Shi, Hwang Ti moment - but until such time a multipolar
world does not make itself conducive to such strategic settlements - certainly not with NATO still existing.
When one considers the fact that Arms Control is dead, NPT is dead, Peace of Yalta is dead, JCPOA is dead then one cannot rightly
expect a strategic settlement on the Korean Peninsula between US and DPRK.
No doubt, for what can the NK leadership conclude when they have seen a consistent foreign policy -be Republican or Democrat-
of destroying any nation whose policies are seen as a threat by the US? There is no basis of trust.
Trump deserves huge credit for the way he handled himself with a man who has been demonized by our propaganda ministry media
and the deep state criminals who have been trying to pull a regime change in Washington since January 2017...
I have to admit I gave up on Trump quite a while ago...today changes everything...
Is it surreal that President Trump is the most moderate and sensible voice not only in the room but in the entire country...?
This is what the people voted for...and this is what 'presidential' looks like...Trump is headed for the history books in a
very very large way...
I have to believe that he is consolidating control of the machinery of state...I was actually first surprised by Pompeo's breakthrough
and surprise visit to DPRK...and even Bolton has turned out not to be the spoiler I had feared...
What in the world is going on here...?
Did the universe just turn upside down...?
All of the questions Col Lang asks are relevant, but just the huge success that this day has become overshadows everything
for now...
What next...will Putin and Trump finally get together and really start putting the screws to the enemies of mankind that are
besetting both men...?
This seems to be the meat of the summit from the George Stephanopoulos interview:
G: Did you talk about pulling troops out? U.S. troops out of South Korea.
T: We didn't discuss that, no. But we're not gonna play the war games. You know, I wanted to stop the war games, I thought
they were very provocative. But I also think they're very expensive. We're running the country properly, I think they're very,
very expensive. To do it, we have to fly planes in from Guam -- that's six and a half hours away. Big bombers and everything else,
I said, 'Who's paying for this?' I mean, who pays, in order to practice.
Apparently the South Koreans were caught by surprise (again).
I'm assuming canceling war games once in a while is fine....but what happens to readiness if they are cancelled over a long
time and how important (and specific to a North Korean context) are these games? Experts...please weigh in? How long would it
take North Korea to take over South Korea with conventional troops and weapons?
Kim invading SK, its 600,000 effectives (3mln reserves), 30,000 US servicemen & nukes & Carrier strike group, on the eve of a
diplomatic breakthrough that could end up with engraving his name in gold throughout history...
Sounds a bit like Assad gassing his civilians right on the brink of a strategic victory. But on a devastating, enormous, monumental
scale.
i dont know if you aware that south korean military is estimated 5x stronger compared to NK , and it is a folly to compare the
1950 SK and NK in term of combat strength , readiness and whatnot
The key condition that triggered this series of events was NK's development of a nuclear weapon and delivery capability. That
put KJU in a position to make conciliatory moves towards SK and the rest followed. However, Trump's disposition to try something
The key condition that triggered this series of events was NK's development of a nuclear weapon and delivery capability. That
put KJU in a position to make conciliatory moves towards SK and the rest followed. However, Trump's disposition to try something
new was also instrumental... and fortuitous.
I meant it's fortuitous for us. I agree it's inherent in his character. That's why i think it's entirely possible he and/or
his organization conspired with Russians to circumvent election laws and norms to gain some kind of advantage in the election.
He would feel no inhibition to trying something new. It's inherent in his character.
Here's a fascinating tidbit on the Trump Teams PR efforts...
White House Created Production Video to Assist Singapore Summit Talks With North Korea .
https://theconservativetree...
Details are surfacing of a video put together by the White House to assist in diplomacy messaging toward Kim Jong-un and the team
of North Korea negotiators. According to reports, toward the end of the talks between President Trump and Kim Jong-un the video
was shared in both Korean and English languages to the audience of both teams. The video was also shared with the international
media audience prior to President Trump's remarks at the press conference
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The 4 min video is very well done, and as one commenter pointed out is a great example of positive propaganda.
Perhaps his hiring as NSC chief was a case of "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Or as LBJ put it, "Have them
inside the tent pi**ing out."
Kim's sister was in Singapore. She is the one who handed him all the documents to be signed , after bringing him the pen which
has been dusted and verified by a NOKO agent.
Seems like Trump echoed what I assume is a N Korean view..no nukes anywhere around the Korean peninsula which, I'd imagine, in
the view, would include S. Korea and Japan and perhaps...and in return POTUS gets to build some resorts on N Korean beaches...I
hope I'm wrong but that seemed the between the lines message
No more war games with S. Korea??? as added inducement for Kim..to sign an agreement that didn't expand beyond previous agreements
with respect to nukes?
"and in return POTUS gets to build some resorts on N Korean beaches." If this is not irony you may actually be too stupid for
SST. that would put you in an elite group.
If you want some insight into DT's or Kim's personalities, look at the list of people Sammy "The Bull" Gravano murdered. DT and
Kim are both criminals who have risen to the "top" through criminality. This current claptrap is DT trying to bring out the base
for the midterms. How are things in Yemen these days?
I'm pretty certain that zero of Trump's supporters live in Yemen. How about the Obama replacement 2020 candidate; are they going
to run on liberating Yemen? I'm sure that will pull the democratic base out to vote.
Many Trump supporters, and even some on the left, like to talk about the "Deep State"
secretly having complete control of our government, thus rendering our elected leaders to be
nothing more than meaningless figureheads. Let's investigate.
Long before the term 'Deep State' became popular, the term "Military Industrial Complex" was
coined by President Dwight Eisenhower.
He gave his now famous Military Industrial Complex (MIC) speech on Jan 17, 1961.
During his ominous farewell, Ike mentioned that the US was only just past the halfway point
of the century and we had already seen 4 major wars. He then went on to talk about how the MIC
was now a major sector of the economy. Eisenhower then went on to warn Americans about the
"undue influence" the MIC has on our government. He warned that the MIC has massive lobbying
power and the ability to press for unnecessary wars and armaments we would not really need, all
just to funnel money to their coffers.
Jump to Ike's warning about the "unwarranted influence... by the Military-Industrial
Complex" at 8:41
His warning though proven correct, was sadly not heeded. Within a few years JFK was
assassinated shortly after giving his "Secret government speech" warning the American people
about "secret governments and secret organizations that sought to have undue control of the
government.
JFK was in his grave for less than 9-months before Gulf of Tonkin incident which was a
series of outlandish lies about a fictitious attack on a US naval ship that never happened,
which caused the US to enter the Vietnam war.
President Johnson lied his way into a war with North Vietnam and within less than a year
would joke that "maybe the attack never happened". By the time the war ended in 1973, Johnson's
bundle of lies had killed 2.45 million people.
The MIC however, saw the Vietnam war as a great victory and a template for the future
success to their objectives. Ever since the Vietnam War, the MIC has urged the government to
enter into as many ambiguous and unwinnable wars as possible, since unwinnable wars are also
never-ending. Never-ending wars equate to never-ending revenue streams for the war
industry.
Eisenhower warned us about the concept of one particular industry taking control of our
government, but sadly his predictions fell of deaf ears.
Since Eisenhower's time several other over "Industrial Complexes" have followed the MIC
example and taken control of our government to suit their needs as well. Their objective is to
buy out politicians in order to control the purse strings of Congress and they have been highly
successful.
The list of these ÏC industries includes, but is not limited to the companies
below:
1. The Drug Industrial Complex. (DIC)
The prescription drug industry has massive control of our government and our health care
system. A recent Mayo Clinic study concluded that 70% of Americans are on at least one
prescription drug.
The most tragic example is opioids, though similar arguments can also be made in reference
to the anti-depressant epidemic, obesity, heart disease and diabetes.
The sicker America is, the better it is for the DIC.
The drug lobby is 8x larger than the gun lobby and is indirectly responsible for the deaths
of between 59.000 and 65,000 people in 2016 alone, but if we dig deeper, that number could
easily be 2 or 3 times higher, Since deaths related to opioids from infection related to opioid
related infections are extremely common Anti-depressants are being prescribed 400% more than
they were in the 1990's. They are commonly prescribed to adolescent women and we live up to the
name "Prozac Nation" when we realize that 1 in 5 women between the ages of 40 and 59 are taking
antidepressants. The list of other prescription medicines to enhance the DIC revenue streams is
extensive.
There are two primary industrial complex rules when it comes to prescription drug centric
treatment:
Firstly, no curing is allowed, ever. Treatment of conditions with temporary benefits is
allowed, but healing is not permissible, since it interrupts revenue streams.
And second, any and all "natural" or homeopathic treatment whether it be related to diet,
supplements vitamins, anti-oxidants or physical exercise/meditation should all be relegated
to "quackery." Doctors who do not adhere to the prescription drug method of treating patients
should also be referred to as adherents to "quackery" and should be reprimanded, fined and in
extreme cases have their medical licenses revoked.
2. Real Estate Industrial Complex. (RIC)
Goal: Keep housing prices rising as much as possible, year after year after year.
How this is implemented: Endorse the borrowing of money to entice people into buying
excessively large homes in order to promote the "dream" of home ownership. Once people buy into
this scheme, they are then saddled with massive home taxes to their city and the burden of the
taxes utilities that go along with owning an excessively large home. Stigmatize anyone who is
over the age of 25 and lives in the same domicile as a parent or grandparent.
Make sure all media channels repeat over and over incessantly that high real estate prices
are "signs of a great economy," while ignoring the crippling effect high home prices have on
working class families who can barely pay their mortgage.
3. College Industrial Complex
(CIC)
The average tuition in 1971-1972 was $1832.00 and now it is officially over $31,000.00.
There are over 60 colleges and universities where the tuition has already exceeded
$60,000.00 per/year.
A college education used to be something that people saved and paid cash for, but now there
has been a cultural shift where students are expected to take out loans that are often in the
hundreds of thousands of dollars to obtain a college degree.
Why is this all so expensive? When we look at our universities and colleges, we see an
obsession with elaborate new buildings and sports stadiums, more than actual learning.
There are several emerging/innovative ideas to make a college education better, faster and
far more affordable. Such concepts probably won't take hold until the inevitable collapse of
the entire educational system takes place.
4. Health Insurance Industrial Complex
(HIC)
Much of the US healthcare system is now governed by the "Healthcare Affordability Act"
passed by the Obama administration in 2010.
The HIC proved how powerful they were when Congress was not allowed to read the legislation
before voting for it, publicly displaying that the HIC who wrote the bill behind closed doors
is more powerful than Congress itself.
What transparent public committees were behind this important legislation?
In reality, there was no transparency at all, this is stated clear as day by Healthcare
Affordability Act primary architect Jonathan Gruber stated: "Lack of transparency is a huge
political advantage, Call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically,
that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."
The Speaker of the House at the time was Nancy Pelosi, who famously said from the leadership
podium as House Speaker: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.'
Our elected officials were not allowed to read the most important legislation of the past 30
years before voting for or against it. There is no greater testimony to the level of
dysfunction in Congress than the Healthcare Affordability Act, formed by secret committees and
then not allowing Congress to read it before voting.
* * *
Let's think back to 1961 when Eisenhower warned us about what would become the Vietnam War.
The American people's ignoring his warning caused arms manufacturers and big business to assume
nearly complete control of US government.
If we had listened to Ike, millions of people would not have died in the wars of the last 57
years and we would have trillions of dollars less in debt. Perhaps we still have time to heed
his warning before our entire country collapses under the weight of corruption, crippling debt
and never-ending wars, let's hope so.
* * *
Kevin Paul is the founder of Alternativemediahub.com, which refers to itself as "The
megaphone of independent journalism." Born in MA, he came within 2% of winning the R party
nomination to oppose Ted Kennedy in 2006 and holds degrees in business and political
science.
"... It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union – the GREAT STALIN. ..."
"... "He found Russia working with wooden plows and left her equipped with atomic piles" ..."
"... "Wait, if the revolution hadn't happened, Russia would have simply frozen at 1913 levels forever?" ..."
"... "If Tsarist Russia was so industrially backward, where did her working class come from, with the Bolshevik Party as its self-proclaimed leadership?" ..."
"... physical eradication ..."
"... Petropavlovsk ..."
"... History of a Town ..."
"... so deep ..."
"... Map of the "Future Europe" (not like Wilhelm II would have liked it!) ..."
"... lesser ..."
"... starets ..."
"... Children of the Arbat ..."
"... In turn, this makes me wonder–had an independent Ukrainian state limited to central and western Ukraine been created, how viable would it have been? After all, this state would have been landlocked ..."
"... with the caveat that I do not consider it politically realistic even for the USSR ..."
Vladislav Pravdin – GREAT STALIN (1949)
.
It is our joy that
during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced
leader of the Soviet Union – the GREAT STALIN.
Translator's Foreword (Fluctuarius Argenteus)
And now for something completely
different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here's Egor Kholmogorov's two-part takedown of the notion
of "Stalin as a Russia national hero" merged into a single text.
The relationship of Russian nationalism
and Neo-Stalinism is a torturous one. Modern Neo-Stalinism emerged in the early 2000s as one aspect of an
anti-Yeltsinist and anti-Liberal consensus, an attempt to reconcile the Imperial and Soviet past under the
banner of a broadly defined Russian patriotism and do away with the kind of historical nihilism that painted
Stalin as the ultimate expression of a "millennium-old Russian yearning for slavery". Many, including the
author of the article and its translator, paid lip service to this movement in their younger years.
By approximately 2005, the movement had
gone mainstream, and by 2012, it completely morphed into a cancerous outgrowth. The nerve of early
Neo-Stalinist rhetoric was the belief that Stalin had made a U-turn from (((Old Bolshevik
cosmopolitanism))), legalised some forms of Russian national consciousness, and generally put Russian
history back on track (i.e.,
was not true Marxism, and it was good
). The Neo-Stalinism of The New Tens is virulently hostile towards
the slightest hint of Russian patriotism and a positive appraisal of pre-1917 Russia, going as far as to
condemn liking Alexander Nevsky and Peter the Great (both lionised under Stalin) as "Vlasovism" (oh the
sweet irony).
Needless to say, this text provoked some
gnashing of teeth in the Neo-Stalinist camp.
AK's Foreword
After
my takedown of Lenin
, some
people suggested that I extend it to Stalin. But what point is there when we have Kholmogorov? I agree with
this 90%, down to the biographical details of my own modest (if still regrettable)
quasi-Stalinophile sentiments
a decade ago.
This is something that afflicted many
Russian patriots of that time, being part of a general rejection of the Russophobic narratives of the
liberal elites. Support for Stalin became
intensely tribal,
and a means to troll those people. However, it has now gone on for far too long. That
particular culture war is no longer relevant, and lingering Stalinophilia now only serves to distort Russian
history and Russia's self-image of itself. It is time to put that mustachioed, medals-bedecked Halloween
costume back into the cupboard.
Although we may quibble with some details
– I had quite a few myself as I edited this – this piece may be considered to be as close to a Russian
nationalist statement on Stalin as any.
38% of Russian citizens polled by Levada Center
put Joseph Stalin at #1 among the greatest heroes of
Russian and world history. He is followed by Putin, Pushkin, Lenin, Peter I, Gagarin, Leo Tolstoy, Georgy
Zhukov, Catherine II, Lermontov, Lomonosov, Mendeleev, and even Brezhnev and Gorbachev. The only
non-Russians who made it to the top are Napoleon, Newton, and Einstein.
Well well well This is an obvious
disgrace. If trustworthy, it reveals than the average Russian doesn't have the vaguest idea about the course
of Russian and world history and the true importance of historical figures. To be fair, sociologists aren't
that far from the masses, mixing in the same poll politicians, generals, writers, and scientist, whose
relative importance just can't be measured by the scale. Essentially, this a list of the best-advertised
personalities.
The absolute disaster here is that, in
2017, almost a good half our citizens are confident enough to place Stalin at #1 in Russian and world
history. Of course, the Generalissimo here is playing the part of an epic or even mythological hero; the
details and real achievements do not matter. For our people, Stalin is a byword for "a strong Russia to be
reckoned with in the global arena". And this strength acts as an acceptable rationale for everything else:
millions of murdered Russians, from great scientists to common villagers, demolished churches and martyred
priests, a completely fleeced countryside Everything is pardoned and justified, following Isaac Deutscher's
formula
:
"He found Russia working with wooden plows and left her equipped with atomic piles"
(which is frequently misattributed to Winston Churchill instead of this obscure Trotskyite and has "atomic
piles" replaced with the "atomic bomb").
In other words, Stalin is seen by the
Russian consciousness as the architect of our incredible grandeur, which was enabled by the tremendous
industrial leap forward and Victory in the Great Patriotic War. This grandeur is enough to excuse his
transformation of Russia into a hellish bloodbath of terror.
If we put mythological and epical
thinking aside and deal with historical facts, is Stalin's #1 place among the greatest personalities in
world history, afforded by our compatriots and sociologists, in any way justified?
I have never been into anti-Stalinist
hysterics. I even published multiple articles calling to refrain from cartoonish nihilism while evaluating
Stalin's contribution to our country's Victory in the Great Patriotic War. I am an even stauncher opponent
of identifying Russia with Stalin, of using Stalin's horrifying atrocities as a pretext to erase our
national heroism and demand "reparations", "territorial concessions", and other vile nonsense. I couldn't
care less about Stalin being distasteful to other countries and nations – the Russians are blameless before
them.
What really concerns me is Stalin's
place in the history of the Russian people. And it is in this domain, no thanks to meddlesome "National
Stalinists" who go as far as to
put Stalin on icons
, where the role of this historical figure is inflated to infinity and beyond. It now
turns out that it wasn't Stalin's good fortune that the Russians stayed loyal to him during the military
debacle of 1941, as he claimed himself in his famous
Victory Toast
. No, it was a great honor and mercy for the Russians on Stalin's part, because he
condescended to rule them, shoot them, exile them where they could plow permafrost, let them get slaughtered
in Nazi encirclements, and starve them with famines. It turns out that we Russians are allegedly unworthy of
Stalin, our Messiah.
This boundless and hypertrophied
propaganda poisoning the minds of our countrymen is sometimes even more obscene than the cult of the Great
Leader as it existed in his lifetime. To heighten Stalin's pedestal, they keep placing more and more
falsehood at its base, be it myths of a pathetic backward Tsarist Russia or new slander against victims of
the regime, long rehabilitated by state security and never held in contempt by the nation or history. Even
the greatest of victims, such as
Nikolai Vavilov
, are now dragged through the mud, and the most despicable of rogues, such as
Trofim Lysenko
, are now lionized, for the sole purpose of keeping Stalin's halo intact.
That is why we have to return to the
question of Stalin the historical figure and not Stalin the myth, and enquire into the degree and character
of his greatness.
The first foundation stone of Stalin's
pedestal is the Industrialization. Allegedly, the very Russia that languished in backwardness under the
pathetically incompetent Tsars made a huge industrial leap under Stalin, storming into global industrial
leadership, beating Hitler, and becoming a superpower.
This claim is false in several
respects. First, Tsarist Russia wasn't backward either in industry or in military technology. The country
was developing dynamically, and there is no reason to suggest she would have reached a lower level of
industrial progress than the one attained by the USSR in 1939. When we were little kids, Soviet textbooks
hypnotized us with diagrams of industrial development compared to "Russia in 1913". And no one would pose
the question:
"Wait, if the revolution hadn't happened, Russia would have simply frozen at 1913 levels
forever?"
. And here's another naïve question no one came to ask Soviet history teachers:
"If
Tsarist Russia was so industrially backward, where did her working class come from, with the Bolshevik Party
as its self-proclaimed leadership?"
Russian industrialization began in the
1890s mostly thanks to the efforts of Count Sergei Witte, who was a follower of the great German economist
Friedrich List, the theorist of the forces of production (a term later plagiarized by Karl Marx) and
protectionism. An active ally of Witte's was Dmitry Mendeleev, not only a famous chemist but also an
economist who organised the Russian oil industry and also followed List's principles of economic
protectionism.
Enjoying the complete support of
Emperors Alexander III and Nicholas II, Witte achieved an impressive surge in industrial development.
However, he was often criticised for overstraining the Russian peasantry to achieve said surge, which
backfired with the unrest of 1905-06 that coincided with a cyclic crisis in world economy. In 1909, Russia
saw the start of a new economic boom and a new wave of industrialization overseen by Peter Stolypin.
Stolypin's approach was much more
merciful to the peasantry than Witte's. The countryside stopped being an economic donor and became a
full-fledged partner, reaping the benefits of industrialization together with urban areas. The Great War,
despite extreme conditions, gave an even greater boost to Russia's military and industrial development. It
was was the Bolshevik Revolution, as well as the ensuing "War Communism" and Civil War, which caused the
terrible desolation that almost plunged the country into a new Stone Age. As a member of the Bolshevik
leadership, Stalin was directly responsible for that.
Evidently, to endure as a Great Power
(and, consequently, protect the Bolshevik dictatorship from being deposed by a foreign invasion), Russia
couldn't stay at the rock bottom where Bolshevism had flung her. Hence the idea of resuming
industrialization, now under a new Communist management and based on Communist ideas. Stalinism didn't
attempt anything new here, because industrialization had already been running for a quarter of a century
under the Tsars and was in any case supported by all rival Communist factions. Stalin's contribution to
industrialization is limited to inventing a new method, not based on strong-arming the countryside (as with
Witte) or robbing it blind (as proposed by Trotsky and
Pyatakov
).
Stalin's industrialization was powered
by the
physical eradication
of the Russian countryside via forced collectivization, punitive
expeditions, mass exile, famine, and terror. Yes, this method of industrialization had been previously
unknown to the wider world and could be perfectly dispensed with, as demonstrated by Tsarist Russia. But can
the invention of cannibalism be considered a contribution to the culinary arts? Probably not.
To Stalin's credit, he was very
successful in simultaneously bleeding the country dry to gain funds for industrialization with exploiting
the vicissitudes of the global market. The Great Depression engulfed the entire world, flooding the market
with cheap imported machinery and tractors, as well as jobless American engineers. In this respect, Stalin's
industrialization turned out to be cheaper for the USSR than if it had happened at the peak of the global
business cycle. But let's not forget that Russian bread and Russian exports also became cheaper cheaper. To
turn a profit, Soviet industrialization needed not just cheap labor, but a slave-like one, spurred by a
famine stemming from Stalin's 1930-31 attempts at monopolizing global grain exports. As grain prices kept
falling during the Great Depression, the Soviet Union was forced to increase export volume and thus
physically decimate its own citizenry with starvation and terror.
In 1929, the Soviets exported 1.3
million metric tons of grain worth $68 a ton, earning $88 million. In 1930, the exports amounted to 4.8
million tons worth $45 to $60 a ton, netting a marvelous $288 million in profits. However, in October 1930,
grain prices on the world market collapsed. After completely fleecing the peasantry and exporting 5.2
million tons, Stalin earned a paltry $72 million. At the same time, a mass urban exodus from the countryside
required greater grain procurements for the domestic market as well. Combined with plummeting grain harvests
in 1931-32, this would lead to a terrible famine, now appropriated by Ukrainian nationalists under the name
of "Holodomor" and "genocide" (in reality, the Kuban and Volga regions didn't suffer any less).
Stalin's great contribution to
industrialization consisted in employing slave labor not in a Bronze Age or plantation economy, but in an
economy of the Industrial Age, a feat hitherto unknown to human history. Stalin surpassed the kings of Egypt
because the Pharaohs used slave labor to build the Pyramids only in Soviet textbooks. In reality, the work
teams of peasants that took part in those colossal construction projects were well remunerated and had
decent working conditions by Ancient Egyptian standards. Stalin demonstrated that Southern slave owners
could compete with the industry of the Union if only they had abandoned their paternalistic views of their
slaves and sent them, overseen by cruel taskmasters, to build factories, roads, and mines
Low labor costs, achieved through
extreme coercion and terror, did make the USSR capable of undertaking projects that hadn't been considered
economically viable in Tsarist Russia, such as the Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works, dependent on both
Kuznetsk coal and Urals ore. When capital was the main factor of production, such projects wouldn't have
made a profit. The historical Russian model of industrialization was capital-intensive: the Morozovs,
Ryabushinkys, Tereschenkos, Putilovs, Konovalovs and other tycoons invested in costly machinery, often more
advanced than in neighboring Germany. Based on this trend, the Russian-American economist Alexander
Gerschenkron wrote of the advantages of "economic backwardness", that is, a belated industrialization.
The Bolsheviks blew the old Russian
industry to smithereens. However, the Great Leader and the Great Teacher successfully triumphed over the
laws of economics. The leading economic factor in Soviet industrial projects, in Soviet circumpolar
canal-digging and railroad construction, was
labor
. Slave labor. The profitability of most
industrial projects soared, as a train full of Gulag convicts acted as a replacement for costly machinery,
which was doubly economical: money was saved on both expensive equipment and maintenance for the workers
themselves.
Stalin sought to apply the same
principle of making labor the main industrial factor while lowering the importance of capital everywhere,
including science.
Sharashkas
and threats of arrest turned out to be a better stimulus for scientific progress, in the
short run at least, than German sausages and American mansions with swimming pools. Alas, biology is
different from mechanics: Vavilov couldn't get wheat chromosomes to
vernalize
even at gunpoint, which ended in his elimination and the rise of Lysenko, who promised to
impose Stalinist labor discipline even on plant life
Is enriching global economic thought
with the principle of forced labor superiority to the capital enough to make Stalin the greatest person in
history? I don't think so. Russia used to have its own model of industrialization, which had produced
excellent results and created an industrially developed economy integrated into the global economic system.
Of course, it wasn't without its failings, and had patent elements of financial dependence. But didn't the
USSR have the same kind of dependence on foreign credit, both during and after the industrialization, though
only working harder to conceal it? Professor Katasonov's calculations
reveal
that all profits from Soviet exports, all the gold pillaged from the Church and the general
populace, all the money made from
art sales
couldn't pay for the equipment imported by the USSR. This meant that the Soviets were
systematically dependent on foreign loans, which Stalin himself acknowledged on multiple occasions in his
correspondence. In this respect, the Great Leader merely differed from the Tsar in hiding his debts from the
masses.
World War II caught Stalin's Soviet
Union in the midst of an incomplete industrialization, dependent on foreign imports in many types of
machinery, up to the eyes in debt, with a part of the populace – oftentimes the intellectually and
economically superior one – exterminated or jailed, and with a unique slave-labor driven industrial economy.
Any organic path of Russia's development, especially Stolypin's, would have given Russia much better
historical prospects.
But perhaps the Stalinist Soviet Union
developed some kind of unique technology that was beyond the powers of old Russia? Nope. Stalin did bequeath
us the proverbial atomic piles, using slave labor and nuclear espionage to save the billions of dollars
spent by the USA on the Manhattan Project, which the Soviets simply didn't have. God forbid me from
chastising Stalin for that act of espionage – actually, it was one of his greatest and most innocent
achievements that cost only two human lives (the Rosenbergs) and saved millions of them.
However, Stalin kept dreaming of Soviet
battleships for the entirety of reign, but the USSR never managed to complete its large warships program.
The naval contribution to the defense of Leningrad in WWII consisted of
Gangut
and
Petropavlovsk
, two Tsarist battleships built by
Admiral Grigorovich
and paid for by a Duma browbeaten into submission by Stolypin. Soviet aircraft
carriers at that time were also a complete impossibility.
The story of Stalin's fighter planes
turned into a tale of endless anguish for engineers, constructors, and pilots, which the Great Leader
himself confirmed by mass imprisonment of the apparatchiks responsible for the wartime aircraft production
(the so-called "Aviation Affair"). The same thing happened with bombers: It would suffice to mention that
the Soviet Tu-4 was a reverse-engineered copy of the American B-29.
These examples have nothing to do with
the myth of Russia's backwardness. Quite to the contrary: Russia, by virtue of NOT being a backward country
and having amassed a huge intellectual and technological potential, could survive the emigration and mass
murder of scientists and engineers and the savagery of the slave labor system, and advance to new
technological horizons. However, almost all of these new horizons were revealed to us by "old-schoolers".
The most prominent of the Soviet scientists involved in the nuclear and missile projects came almost
exclusively from the ranks of the "enemy class
These examples have nothing to do with
the myth of Russia's backwardness. Quite to the contrary: Russia, by virtue of NOT being a backward country
and having amassed a huge intellectual and technological potential, could survive the emigration and mass
murder of scientists and engineers and the savagery of the slave labor system, and advance to new
technological horizons. However, almost all of these new horizons were revealed to us by "old-schoolers".
The most prominent of the Soviet scientists involved in the nuclear and missile projects came almost
exclusively from the ranks of the "enemy class" of the pre-revolutionary intelligentsia, receiving their
education either before the Revolution or in the 1920s, when the old foundations of education hadn't been
completely ruined. Without these human resources, Stalin wouldn't have had a shot at leaving Russia with
atomic piles. The same atomic piles, however, could well have be developed by the same date by a Tsar
Alexey Nikolayevich
or
Mikhail Alexandrovic
h
By the way, about those plows that
Stalin "found Russia" with. Indeed, Stalin took Russia with wooden plows from Lenin. And Lenin had grabbed
Russia by the neck after she had lost her Tsar, under whose rule she had been a country with automobiles,
armored cars, Sikorsky airplanes, early aircraft carriers, battleships and tank blueprints. And the truth is
that Stalin took Russia from Lenin with plows and left her with the same implements. The plow was in use in
1953 just as in 1924, which isn't necessarily a bad thing (the
sokha
, the Russian light wooden
plow, is better suited to certain soil types than heavier plows). All in all, measuring the trajectory of
Stalinism in terms of plows and atomic piles is a gross oversimplification.
However, let us not lapse into slander
and calumny by claiming that all Stalin's achievements came only as a result of cannibalism and mass
destruction of his own citizens. After the war, many residential and industrial objects in the Soviet Union
were erected by German POWs, following the same slave labor model. Some select citizens of the USSR whirled
around Moscow in an Opels (rechristened Moskvitch) while sporting nice Carl Zeiss glasses. Stalinist
industrialization got a new a material and moral resource: Victory. And that Cictory is what our compatriots
deservedly count as one of Stalin's greatest achievements.
Can the victor in the greatest war in
history
not
be named the greatest man in history? This is a story for our next article.
So, let's go back to Stalin as the
"greatest person in Russian and world history". This reputation – to the degree that it actually exists
among the populace and wasn't engineered by sociologists – dwells mostly upon the Soviet Victory in the
Great Patriotic War. World War II being the greatest war ever waged by mankind, it seems reasonable and
justified to hail the victor in this war as the greatest man ever.
There can be a lot of objections to
this. First, the Great Patriotic War was just one part of World War II, won fair and square by the United
States. The Americans, having lost the least amount of people by dint of replacing them with guns and
dollars, using the Russians to do the bloody work, and stealing the thunder of their British allies, went on
to become the masters of the postwar world order.
Even during the Cold War, the USSR was,
for a long time, a mere challenger to American supremacy and not an equal contender. And we all know how
this war ended for us. The US victory in WWII under President Roosevelt is undisputed. He died when their
victory was a
fait accompli
, and President Truman took no new decisions of his own (Roosevelt would
have probably nuked Hiroshima, too). But is Roosevelt the greatest person in history? Not quite! He keeps
getting flak from the left and the right, even for his New Deal, even for his meagre concessions to the
Soviets in Tehran and Yalta. Even in the US proper, his ranking among top US presidents never rises above
#2, and usually he occupies the #3 spot.
Regarding Russia, her greatest pre-1941
war was the Patriotic War of 1812, greatest by the stature of the enemy (Napoleon, one of the greatest
characters in history), by the size and the power of his Army of the Twelve Nations, the tragedy of the fall
of the Russian capital, the charity and sacrifice of the nobility, the merchant class, and the peasantry,
the complete destruction of the adversary – in all these respects, the "thunder of 1812" was historically
unparalleled. Who won this war? Alexander I the Blessed. To quote Pushkin's lines, "he conquered Paris, he
founded
the Lyceum
".
But is this Emperor counted among the
all-time greats of Russian history, according to Levada or whatever other poll? No. He is half-forgotten,
his reputation destroyed by ignominious military settlements (still less outrageous than the Gulag), the
infamy of
Arakcheevschina
(still not quite the
Yezhovschina
), the sin of patricide[1] (is it worse than Patria-cide?), the ridicule of other, much less
flattering Pushkin poems[2]. And if it is ever to be proven that he was already been canonised by the
Orthodox Church as a saint and revered by the common folk under the name of Feodor Kuzmich[3], this glory
and grace would only be bestowed upon his second life, granted to expiate the sins of the first.
Stalin founded no Lyceum, he created
the sharashkas, and, to paraphrase Saltykov-Schedrin's
History of a Town
, "torched public schools
and abolished (some of) the sciences". He didn't reach Paris but quite definitely conquered Berlin, a feat
unseen since the days of Empress Elizaveta Petrovna, God bless her memory. He lucked out with his enemy –
Hitler wasn't as great as Napoleon, but he was extraordinary vile towards the Russians and brought Russia
untold of devastation. Before the invasion, his generals fulminated with very clear instructions: "war
crimes in the East are not to be considered as such", "any cultural assets in the East do not matter".
Anyone who would stand between Hitler and the Russians and organize resistance was deserving of great
praise.
Stalin is deserving of such praise,
too. He managed to collect himself and lead the struggle, distributing his forces so that Hitler's onslaught
got bogged down in Russia's expanse and failing to reach any Russian capital except Kiev. He evacuated and
thus preserve the bulk of Soviet industrial production. The army that he assumed supreme command of
experienced almost no defeats after November 1942 and led an unstoppable march to the Elbe. Stalin was
prudent enough to make peace with the Russian people and unfurl the banner of Russian patriotism – quickly
furled back up after the war but not as completely, since no one dared to derogate the Russians as brazenly
as in the 1920s and 1930s. Stalin was shrewd enough while dealing with the Alleis that the USSR ended the
war with large, even somewhat excessive gains. It is historically disingenuous to deny Stalin these
achievements, and it would be nothing but a parallel falsehood to the rising tide of diehard Stalinist lies,
which provoked this essay in the first place.
If we are to speak of Stalin's greatness
in world history and Russian history, his halo needs to be knocked down a couple of notches. Who is to blame
but the country's political and military leader for allowing the claws of the German eagle to sink
so
deep
into the chest of our eagle-turned-red-star? Who is to answer for the unthinkable casualties
sustained by our army in the 1941 encirclements?
Of course, these losses can't be deemed
"excessive". Modern calculations place Soviet and German irrevocable military losses at 11.5 million vs. 8.6
million, a ratio of 1:3 to 1. But what are these 3 million "surplus" dead if not the price paid for the
chaos and incompetence reigning in 1941, especially in September and October, when the tide of the
Blitzkrieg seemed to have been stemmed?
Yes, June 22, 1941 was a case of the
Wehrmacht's military luck, intensified by a vile sneak attack. Luck has its place in warfare. But the
encirclements near Kiev and Vyazma, the siege of Leningrad, to say nothing of the crushing 1942 defeats,
were less a case of German good luck than our own failures.
The more one reads documents and
memoirs, the clearer it is that Stalin's interference in warfare was incompetent, arbitrary, and
short-sighted. He was intelligent, driven, obstinate, obsessive about details, and despotic, all great
qualities for a general, but his mind was corrupted by Bolshevism, a belief that applying enough pressure is
all it takes to achieve a result, and a resulting utopian mindset. His meticulousness often turned into
nitpicking, and he would obsess over trivial details. In spite of the Neo-Stalinist mythology, his views
were ideologically blinkered in many important questions. Given the conditions of a hyper-centralized system
of military management, all of the Commander-in-Chief's foibles, all of his idiosyncrasies and fantasies
took their greatly magnified toll on the real command of warfare. Yes, Stalin was smarter than Hitler, but
setting the bar for greatness so low would be embarrassing even for the Generalissimo himself.
"It is all well and good", some might
say, "and a lot of what you say might be true –
but don't forget, the winner takes it all.
"
Perhaps a winner does take it all, but
it doesn't make him immune to criticism for misusing his spoils of victory. An untold loss of life,
devastation, suffering, the horror of POW camps, occupation, and terror should have given the Russian a
right to sizeable reparations. Did Stalin give its due to the nation he called "great" in his Victory Toast?
Let's give an objective rundown of military gains and talk about Stalin's diplomacy.
When you hear any talk of Stalinism as
an era when Russia was a Great Power to be reckoned with, you should realize that World War II started, and
started the way it did, only because the pre-war Stalinist USSR was a pariah state, a rogue state written
off by everyone. Through Foreign Affairs Commissar Maksim Litvinov, Stalin kept proclaiming a policy of
collective defense, trying to cobble together anti-Fascist coalitions. He waged a "proxy war" with the Nazis
in Spain, which was such an ideological trash fire that many past Republican sympathizers had to admit that
Franco, a rational nationalist with a strong vision of unity, was better than bloodthirsty Red psychos.
Nothing revealed the truth about Red methods for the European Liberal Left and pitted former fellow
travelers against the Soviet Union quite like the Spanish Civil War.
When, in 1938, an agreement regarding
the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia was reached in Munich, no one bothered to ask the opinion of the USSR,
an alleged "Great Power".
When, in 1938, an agreement regarding
the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia was reached in Munich, no one bothered to ask the opinion of the USSR,
an alleged "Great Power". This pushed Stalin towards a reasonable and prudent idea: if you can't side with
hyenas against a wolf, you pit the wolf against the hyenas. In his 1939 pact with Hitler, Stalin attempted,
without a major war or sometimes without a single shot fired, to restore the territorial losses of 1918: the
Baltics, Western Ukraine and Belarus, and Bessarabia. He bungled with Finland but at least got Vyborg back.
He also grabbed what hadn't belonged to Russia but should have: Galicia and Bukovina (the latter would be
cited by Hitler as a pretext for the invasion on June 22, 1941).
Was this return to imperial borders
justified? It was. Did Stalin do well by this? Probably yes. Did those returned territories do any good for
the Russians? Not at all. Stalin fixed the crimes and mistakes of Lenin, a fellow Bolshevik. He pushed the
balance of Russian history from "in the red" to "zero". Doesn't sound much for a "great leader".
But what happened to the regathered
lands? They were turned into ethnic republics that easily "de-occupied" themselves in 1991. Only tiny tracts
of borderlands were annexed to the Pskov oblast. A once heavily Russified Vilna, recaptured from Poland, was
given to the Lithuanian SSR. A Moldovan Republic was merged from Bessarabia and Transnistria, which is now
on its way to fusing with Romania and dragging the Transnistrian Russians with it. However, Stalin's most
toxic and jinxed gift of all was Galicia. The entirety of Ukrainiznig potential accumulated there over the
course of Austrian and Polish dominance engulfed Soviet Ukraine and dragged it into the abyss of
"anti-Moskalism". Stalin could fight the Banderites however he wanted, but, in the national absence of a
Russian idea in the USSR, with Ukrainism propped up by all means possible, it became inevitable that
Ukrainian identity would crystallize according to Galician precepts. Petro Poroshenko owes an enormous debt
to Stalin, who enabled the Ukrainization of Ukrainizers.
All of these toxic gifts came with a
terrible price, paid for by our people during the war. This price gave the Russians the right to expect even
greater gifts, now destined only for the Russian people and no one else.
So what happened in reality? Pechenga,
once the scene of
St. Tryphon of Pechenga's
ascetic devotion, became Russian once again. Another restoration of what had
been ours before. Carpathian Ruthenia, however, despite the pleas of Rusyn delegates to incorporate their
land into the RSFSR, was not united with Russia and sacrificed on the altar of Ukrainization.
The rest was a gift to Poland, that
backstabber who managed to reap three harvests from the same field. In exchange for restoring to Russia what
Lenin had given away with the
Riga peace treaty
, they occupied, with Stalin's consent, all of Eastern Germany, and expelled its ethnic
German population, and gained highly developed industrial regions, and received the lion's share of East
Prussia, and got the Augustów district back from the USSR, and kept running around the world for 80 years
complaining about the "Russian occupation" and demanding Lvov and Grodno back. Talk about stuffing the
goose! And who kept feeding that pocket monster as a ploy to appease the British? Stalin, that's who.
If there's ever a World War III, it
will start with a NATO blockade of Kaliningrad. And Stalin would be to blame for that, because he stripped
the Augustów district from Belarus and carved up East Prussia in such a way that our communications with
Kaliningrad stretch through Lithuania, always eager to block them entirely. Another toxic gift, because
Stalin didn't even believe that Prussia would not stay with the Russians forever. He wanted to trade it in
exchange for German neutrality, which is why the first wave of Russian settlement there mainly consisted of
exiles. As a result, it wasn't really Stalin's gift to the Russians but Adenauer's: the West German
Chancellor wasn't swayed by the prospect of neutrality.
The same happened in the Far East.
Stalin did the barest minimum of what every government of nationalist Russia would have done in a military
grudge match against Japan: restoring the losses of the Russo-Japanese War and grabbing the Kuril Islands
"for the trouble". However, even those gains were left in a suspended and toxic state. Instead of
strong-arming Japan into accepting the totality of our gains without further delay, the peace treaty
question was dragged out until it blossomed into the mythical problem of the so-called Northern Territories.
Toxic gifts, here we go again.
Let's not forget the assets in Manchuria
sacrificed in the name of solidarity with Red China – the Chinese Eastern Railway and Dalniy/Dalian, all the
more frustrating because Manchuria's specificities made it possible to give it a
sui generis
status
profitable to the Soviets.
What could have been
:
Map of the "Future Europe" (not like Wilhelm II would have liked it!)
For the USSR, WWII resulted in
lesser
territorial gains that would have been plausibly claimed by Russia at the end of the Great War,
which was "surrendered" by the Bolsheviks in Brest-Litovsk. Almost everywhere he would go, Stalin only
picked up what had been squandered by Lenin. He failed to gain from a crushing German defeat even a half of
what could have and would have been acquired by the Tsar. Under the Tsar, Galicia would have been
incorporated into Russia under a Russian banner (to say nothing of the Turkish Straits). The few
acquisitions of the Soviet Empire actually beneficial for the Russians, such as Kaliningrad, turned out to
be this way almost by pure happenstance.
As part of a package deal involving
these gains, the Russians got a bunch of freeloaders that had to be schooled in the ways of Communism and
kept in line at gunpoint (East Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia). And they had to be fed, fed, and fed once
again. Exhausting the Russians under the burden of hangers-on in an incomprehensible Communist experiment is
hardly a solid basis for greatness.
If we calculate the war losses of our
nation and our more than modest gains, our victory was indeed Pyrrhic – as great as it was unprofitable. If
it was indeed a historical comeback, it remedied not the historical faults of Tsarist Russia but those of
Stalin's mentor Lenin, who had wrecked historical Russia both morally and territorially.
Let's give Stalin his due. He knew very
well that he had started the war and had been rubbish at managing it. The Russians had every reason to give
him the boot. He explicitly mentioned this in the Victory Toast:
"A different people could have said
to the Government: "You have failed to justify our expectations. Go away. We shall install another
government which will conclude peace with Germany and assure us a quiet life."
However, Stalin also considered the
Russians' understanding that "running away" from a world war, failing to complete it for a second time would
be tantamount to ending our history as a great nation. This was evident to both people of intelligence and
the national instinct of the masses. Even such a fervent anti-Communist as Ivan Ilyin wrote that a desertion
similar to the one of 1917 was impossible, that one had to fight on and win. Stalin harnessed this resource
of Russian prudence and patience to reap the laurels of victory. However, he failed to repay most of his
"debts" to the Russians.
The war was barely over, but Marxist
historians wasted no time in trampling all over the academic defenders of Russian Imperial legacy led by
Academician Tarle
. By Stalin's and Zhdanov's decree, the term "Russian nation-state" was almost
completely purged from the historical idiom. Orthodox hierarchs were still needed for reasons of
international diplomatic representation, but the persecution of the Church would make a comeback, including
the closure of churches (bear in mind that most of the churches "opened under Stalin" were churches that
reopened by themselves under German occupation, and churches reopened in Stalin-held territories were a drop
in the ocean). Barely four years after the victory, state security boss Viktor Abakumov would torture those
few Soviet apparatchiks who dared to have but a smidgen of Russian identity. Stalin would destroy his
incredibly talented assistant Nikolay Voznesenskiy, ruining all chances of the USSR being led by an
intellectually developed Russian person. In the USSR, a prison of the Russian people designed by Lenin and
built by Stalin, they briefly opened a fresh-air shutter and then slammed it shut.
We, Russians, cannot elevate this man to
the rank of the greatest genius in history while keeping a straight face. We cannot sell our memory –
mutilated national livelihood, demolished churches, massacred priests and murdered scientists, engineers,
and poets, our forefathers exiled to Siberia for refusing to give their last horse to Red activists – for a
minute of Stalin's "Victory Toast".
Yes, we should be fair in our historical
judgement and shouldn't defame Stalin with the fantasies of the "children of the Arbat"[4]. But we also
should, with even greater force and rage, be fair in the opposite respect: never cutting Stalin any slack
for his horrifying sins, mistakes, cruelties, and injustices, never forgetting just how many eggs he broke
to make his omelet.
***
[1] Alexander I is
widely accepted to have been complicit in the palace coup that led to the death of his
father Paul I.
[2] For instance,
in the so-called Chapter X of
Eugene Onegin
Pushkin described Alexander I as
"a feeble and conniving ruler, a bald fop, the enemy of all work, crowned with glory by
happenstance".
[3] Legend has it
that Alexander I, remorseful of his past misdeeds and faced with a profound religious
crisis, feigned his own death in 1825 and fled to Siberia, where he lived as a
starets
(mystic hermit) under the name of Feodor Kuzmich (died 1864). The Orthodox
Church officially canonized Feodor Kuzmich as a saint in 1984 but rejects his
identification with the Emperor.
[4] Reference to
Anatoly Rybakov's 1987 novel
Children of the Arbat
(referring to a central
Moscow street populated by high-ranking "Old Bolsheviks" after the revolution), a
hallmark of Perestroika anti-Stalinism, where Stalin was portrayed as a
one-dimensionally diabolical and sadistic figure.
38% of Russian citizens polled by Levada Center put Joseph Stalin at #1 among the greatest heroes of
Russian and world history. He is followed by Putin, Pushkin, Lenin, Peter I, Gagarin, Leo Tolstoy, Georgy
Zhukov, Catherine II, Lermontov, Lomonosov, Mendeleev, and even Brezhnev and Gorbachev. The only
non-Russians who made it to the top are Napoleon, Newton, and Einstein.
Well well well This is an obvious disgrace. If trustworthy, it reveals than the average Russian
doesn't have the vaguest idea about the course of Russian and world history and the true importance of
historical figures.
How
trustworthy
is it? Volgograd hasn't been renamed Stalingrad. The still popular in Russia Putin
has spoken out against Stalin era oppression. By and large, the May 9 Victory Day honors the Russian people,
without emphasizing Stalin.
A Moldovan Republic was merged from Bessarabia and Transnistria, which is now on its way to fusing
with Romania and dragging the Transnistrian Russians with it.
Any polling support of this? At last glance, Moldovan support for becoming a part of Romania is closer to
15% than 33%. Either way, there's no majority. In addition, the Gagauz have a legit basis to break from
Moldova, were it to merge with Romania. Never mind trying to get Pridnestrovie (
Transnistria
) to go
along with such a move.
Pridnestrovie is ethnically pretty evenly distributed among Russiasn, Ukrainians and Moldovans, while
having a pro-Russian outlook.
Upon further review, I came across this reference to a poll on Moldovan support for becoming a part of
Romania:
Still a clear minority, with a noticeably strong opposition in Gagauzia (under the control of Moldova)
and the disputed territory of Pridnestrovie (which has essentially been separate from Moldova since the
Soviet breakup).
Stalin's great contribution to industrialization consisted in employing slave labor not in a Bronze
Age or plantation economy, but in an economy of the Industrial Age Stalin surpassed the kings of Egypt
because the Pharaohs used slave labor to build the Pyramids only in Soviet textbooks. In reality, the
work teams of peasants that took part in those colossal construction projects were well remunerated and
had decent working conditions by Ancient Egyptian standards
Really? '
Slave labor
' was never used to build Industry? This is just silly, and borders on its own
nihilism. From pre-Victorian Britain to US company towns and China's recent out-sourcing paradise, the
quasi-slave methods have always been used to build industry. There was nothing all that extra-ordinary about
1930′s Soviet Union, other than sheer size. That's how stuff gets built.
And the belated, romantic look at the builders of the Pyramids is neither here, nor there. We don't know,
but I suspect the day to day conditions were not that great and probably approximated what peasants building
endless dams in Soviet Union experienced.
Stalin was a Bolshevik and Bolshevism was a revenge, not an economic ideology.
Stalin's mind was corrupted by Bolshevism, a belief that applying enough pressure is all it takes to
achieve a result
True, but why is there no mention of why tens of millions were ready for the revenge on the system? The
life before Bolsheviks wasn't that great and WWI bloody mess was the last straw; the Bolshie nihilism came
out of enormous suffering.
I often hear that it was 'about to get better', 'look at European welfare states' or New Deal. I wouldn't
be so sure. After hundreds of years of not caring why would the elites voluntarily change the systems to be
more broadly-based and spread the wealth? What makes people think that
the 20th century enormous
egalitarian progress
was about to happen without the threat of Bolshevism, socialism of all kinds,
Maoism, even fascism in its more populist forms?
We can see that right after the 'revenge' systems collapsed in the late 20th century, the elites
immediately went back to restoring the wonderful neo-liberal systems from the early 20th century. There is
no fear any more, so why not? Why not have it all? We are living in a transition era before the real
consequences hit again. Beginnings are often fun, the neo-liberalism is a pyramid system with its asset
privatisation and appreciation, there are lost of winners in the first few decades. But we are heading
towards the same paralysis that spawned Bolshevism and other basically revenge philosophies. I would worry
about that a lot more than about 'Lithuania' blocking the Augustow pass to Kaliningrad (Russia has planes
and ships, don't they?).
I wasn't even aware that Stalin had any connection to that idea. The way I had heard it, it was Beria who
was favorable to German re-unification – but Khrushchev won the power struggle.
That means nothing, do you have a point? Would you like to be an English coal-miner in the early 19th
century? Or a peasant on Polish latifundias in Galicia? Or work 12 hours a day for Foxconn in Shenzhen
today?
Tens of millions out of hundreds of millions isn't much.
Ok, I can go with hundreds of millions seeking revenge on the system towards the end of WWI. They were
clearly either a majority or close to it.
Russia had no choice but to fight to the end in WWII. Win or lose. If they lost they would be largely gone
today, physically gone. And so would Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians and a few other ethnic groups.
Surviving is not an '
epic failure
', it is better that the alternative. The post-WWII settlement
was about the best Russia could had done, small adjustments here and there, but they basically got it right.
The issue was that they didn't know how to disengage and withdraw. By 1960′s they should had let go. On
their own terms. And that wasn't Stalin's fault, but his successors.
"win back lost three provinces of Greater Romania"
That is tricky because one cannot really define Greater Romania or most other states in that region.
There are no natural borders, the population was mixed. E.g. who does Silesia 'naturally' belong to? The
shift of Poland westward was quite unnatural, but probably the best of all available options. I agree that
adding Galicia to Ukraine was a disaster, but what was an alternative? You couldn't reunite 5-10 million
Ukrainians with Poland. And they were not viable as a separate state at that time.
Obviously Galicia is a sparsely populated and financially irrelevant shithole in Ukraine. It's political
relevance is massively overrated ( plus many have left there to go to Russia or Poland) .the big problem is
American money or organisations over there, not the political power of the individuals there.
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Obviously it's to do with American money because the "nationalism" of the fuckedup fake sytate of Ukraine makes even less
sense if propagated by idiots from Galicia ( so does the fantasism about the Golodomor, for a region
never touched by it)
The Soros/State Department for the orange revolution and other elections either side of it then
criminally exaggeratd the number of people living there, and then under-exaggerated massively the
amount of people in the most populous areas of Ukraine (Novorossiya 5 out of 7) hence why we had all
these retarded lies about "120% turnout in Donetsk)
I am not familiar with Herr Rudel, but let me try to explain:
Keeping Silesia as part of Germany after
WWII was untenable – most Germans were expelled, or about to be driven out. Poles were very, very angry, and
the resulting geography would threaten both shrunken Poland (Galicia was gone) and Czechoslovakia. Silesia
reaches out quite far eastward.
Making it a part of East Germany would make E Germany too big for the Western allies. That could be
reshuffled, but went against 'let's keep divided Germany as small as possible' attitude at Potsdam.
The option of having an independent Silesia, with 'Silesian' ethnicity (it does exist), was economically
not viable: land-locked, surrounded, destroyed.
So what would be a better option than (re-)uniting it with Poland and allowing millions of Poles from the
Galician east to move there? It has been relatively stable.
You should cut it out, you are being irrelevant. I am talking 'industrialisation', that has happened in
different countries at different times. I can find 'company towns' in US (Colorado mines ) that were
brutally exploitative. And you can find huge relatively nice areas of Russia's industrialisation. Picking up
the worst examples in one, and the best in another is not serious.
The 5-year old miners in England in
1840′s were not better off than most peasants in Russia sent to build a big dam. It was all sh..t, thus the
revenge I mentioned today check out some working conditions in Asia, is Stalin responsible for that?
So what? The Ukrainization had already wrought tremendous changes by 1932 when it was scaled back. And it
seems obvious that Galicians would shift their attention east as they sought to break free of Poland and
weren't powerful enough to stand on their own.
If your argument is that the "average" Stalinist experience for the working person was not any worse than
the "average" experience in an industralizing country like America or Britain, then you are truly a comical,
damned fool.
The whole point of what made the Soviet Union so bad was that the average was nasty, poor,
and brutal beyond any other country in modern history.
For example. Digging a canal is always hard work. When the Erie Canal was built in New York State in the
early 1800s, somewhere between 500 and 1,000 workers died during the process – virtually all of them during
a malaria epidemic when working in a swampy area. A small pox epidemic is said to have killed about 1,200
Chinese coolies building the Transcontinental Railroad in America, and a few more may have died due to
Indian attacks in the Nevada wilderness.
By contrast, death estimates for the Moscow-Volga canal alone range from as low as 30,000 (!) to around a
million (!). So around a hundred years after less than a thousand Americans died on a big canal project,
Stalin and his minions managed to exceed their death total by several tens of thousands. Why is this? With
all of the technology developed by the 20th century, it still takes many more thousands of deaths to
accomplish a big task? Couldn't great Comrade Stalin – friend of Russian people – do better than those awful
western capitalist bosses?
Perhaps because capitalists in Britain and America actually fed their employees? Whereas Stalinist
laborers could not eat?
On the other hand, sometimes Stalin could be quite, uh, paternalistic towards his beloved industrial
slaves. For example, one P.I. Shcherbakov reports the following story from the building of the Moscow-Volga
Canal: "On July, 4, 1934, Joseph Stalin himself had visited the construction site. Observing the foundation
pit, he noticed that the inmates were working barefoot. Even if it was in summer, the weather was not very
warm. Stalin immediately interrogated his retinue – the directors of the project – why the workers have no
footwear. They stalled, saying that they had to bring too many workers on the site, and that the footwear
was on the way. The Leader ordered abruptly the footwear to be delivered within two hours, and several men
in charge for the provision to be shot. They were shot right away near the ditch."
Had Germany won WW1 (not going into WW2), it most certainly would have rearranged borders further to
its liking. Reasonable failure.
Bethmann-Hollweg put forth Germany's demands with the
Septemberprogramm
.
They were:
France should cede some northern territory, such as the iron-ore mines at Briey and a coastal strip
running from Dunkirk to Boulogne-sur-Mer, to Belgium or Germany.
France should pay a war indemnity of 10 billion German Marks, with further payments to cover veterans'
funds and to pay off all of Germany's existing national debt. This would prevent French rearmament, make
the French economy dependent on Germany, and end trade between France and the British Empire.
France will partially disarm by demolishing its northern forts.
Belgium should be annexed to Germany or, preferably, become a "vassal state", which should cede
eastern parts and possibly Antwerp to Germany and give Germany military and naval bases.
Luxembourg should become a member state of the German Empire.
Buffer states would be created in territory carved out of the western Russian Empire, such as Poland,
which would remain under German sovereignty "for all time".
Germany would create a Mitteleuropa economic association, ostensibly egalitarian but actually
dominated by Germany. Members would include the new buffer states.
The German colonial empire would be expanded. The German possessions in Africa would be enlarged into
a contiguous German colony across central Africa (Mittelafrika) at the expense of the French and Belgian
colonies. Presumably to leave open future negotiations with Britain, no British colonies were to be
taken, but Britain's "intolerable hegemony" in world affairs was to end.
The Netherlands should be brought into a closer relationship to Germany while avoiding any appearance
of coercion.
Sounds a lot like the European Union.
Noteworthy that the German reparations' demand is about thirteen times smaller than Versailles imposed on
the Germans (granted, the war was only a month old at the time). Land over money apparently.
Not listed here, but the Germans also intended to continue their Drang nach Osten by settling veterans in
the east. Nothing like Generalplan Ost of course.
After the collapse of Russia, Germany started realizing some of these aims by setting up a network of
puppet states in Eastern Europe ruled by German princes.
By contrast, death estimates for the Moscow-Volga canal alone range from as low as 30,000 (!) to
around a million (!).
Well, a million is just nonsense. It's possible that 30,000 is also nonsense. In addition to the Erie
canal there are unfortunately other examples
"A cruel tax and trade-usurious exploitation of the peasantry (in India) had caused widespread hunger .
If 1825-1850. the famine twice struck the country and claimed 0.4 million human lives, in 1850-1875 famine
killed 5 million, in 1875-1900. -- 26 million."
(ИСТОРИЯ ВОСТОКА IV Восток в новое время (конец XVIII -- начало XX в.) Книга 2)
The industrialization of Western Europe was accompanied by the murder (direct or indirect) of tens, maybe
hundreds of millions of people. And America was part of the same system (the transatlantic slave trade was
measured in numbers with six zeros)
It's also not only in India, but industrialization in the UK was not following very 'ethical labour' inside
the UK itself.
Revealed: Industrial Revolution was powered by child slaves
Child labour was the crucial ingredient which allowed Britain's Industrial Revolution to succeed, new
research by a leading economic historian has concluded.
After carrying out one of the most detailed statistical analyses of the period, Oxford's Professor
Jane Humphries found that child labour was much more common and economically important than previously
realised. Her estimates suggest that, by the early 19th century, England had more than a million child
workers (including around 350,000 seven- to 10-year-olds) – accounting for 15 per cent of the total
labour force. The work is likely to transform the academic world's understanding of that crucial period
of British history which was the launch-pad of the nation's economic and imperial power
Her work has revealed that during most of the 18th century only around 35 per cent of ten year old
working-class boys were in the labour force while the figure for 1791-1820 (when large scale
industrialisation started) was 55 per cent, rising to 60 per cent for the period of 1821-1850.
The number of eight-year-old working-class boys at work also rose substantially in that period – with
around a third of them being part of the work force between 1791 and 1850 compared to less than 20 per
cent before 1791.
(there was basically zero support for Russian nationalists of course, with no substantial number of
Ukrainians from Russian-ruled Ukraine joining the Whites)
You're big on giving personal anecdotes. I've heard from folks knowing the Whites in Ukraine, that
Ukrainian was spoken among those with Russian Empire roots (not Galician) fighting on the side of the
Whites. That recollection is quite believable given the actual circumstances.
Petliura's support was limited and his forces were unable to successfully defeat the Whites. Petliura's
weakness explains his willingness to become Pilsudski's puppet in a move that saw Petliura recognizing all
of Galicia going to Poland. In turn, the Galician Ukrainian Army en masse came under the command of the
Russian Whites.
If your argument is that the "average" Stalinist experience for the working person was not any worse
than the "average" experience in an industralizing country like America or Britain
You provide a classical straw man diversion, so common among 'educated' in the West. No, my argument is
that industrialization, then and now, in 19th century or in the 1930′s, is often a painful, violent,
unpleasant process. I specifically mentioned China's today outsourced factories where people work 12 hours,
jump from roofs, and live pretty close to a slave life. That was very common in 19th century England where
5-year olds were dropped to 'mine for coal'.
Your method is predictably faulty: pick a worst examples, worst place, worst time (1930′s) in Russia,
exaggerate or quote '
some people say that maybe a 1 million died..
' and compare it to heavily '
explained
'
case in Britain or US, with allusions to 'malaria', etc.. and that gives you a self-satisfied feeling that,
of course, the sh..t in Britain-US doesn't stink, and never did. Forget slavery, Victorian child labor,
koolies, forget all of that and just focus razor-sharp on that 'Volga-canal'.
And you are surprised nobody takes you seriously? Fighting straw men is the true fools's errand
It was a disaster because it created a dysfunctional Ukraine with populations quite different and attitudes
that are hard to reconcile. But it took a few generations, in 1945 I still think it was the best among the
available bad options.
If you ask me to start from scratch (that was not possible in 1945 with all the emotions), I would say
that Galicia existence as a province of a larger 'Habsburg-lite' country might had worked the best. It would
fit the pro-Western orientation of Galicians, keep them in 'Europe', and allow the east to rationally
develop on its own. That was not an option in 1945, so we got the mess that we have today. It will get much
worse before this is settled.
Here is a problem I see with what you are doing (this applies to Kholmogorov as well): you are tearing
down an idol without offering anything in its place. Stalin for Russians is more than a war-time leader,
he is a religious figure, a moustached Russian Jesus. Ukrainians, who reject Stalin are expected to
worship Stepan Bandera, but what will Russians believe in? People in this part of the world have a need
for some idols in their lifes.
Russians and Ukrainians have better alternatives than Stalin and Bandera to look to with pride.
Why should the British oligarchy
care
about the plight of Indians?
Whom should it provide those
excuses to, anyway?
It would only be comparable if the "British oligarchy" had starved a couple of million Englishmen to
death (the English being the state-making people of Britain). However, as I recall, the last famine
affecting ENGLAND occurred prior to the Black Death (!).
Stalin's heavy handedness in Galicia didn't help things from a Soviet and to a certain degree Russian
viewpoint.
The Galician Ukrainians were generally not happy with being ruled by Poland. Having Russian speaking
Soviets (including some Ukrainians) being brutal following Molotov-Ribbentrop and before the Nazi attack on
the USSR, nurtured a convoluted image among those with a pro-Bandera/Captive Nations Committee sentiment.
But Galicians have by and large been content to develop within a Ukrainian state. They often refer to
themselves as the 'Piedmont of Ukraine' and relish their role of being in the vanguard of Ukraine's national
revival. In fact, I know of no Galician of any stature that has advocated Galicia apart from the rest of
Ukraine – the Western Ukrainian Republic was an anomaly that lasted for a short time and was only to be a
temporary solution for Ukraine's larger development.
To provide context doesn't men defending something. Isolated thoughts often become just empty sloganeering.
I have seen an estimate by an Indian historian that claimed that British Empire caused the death of 200
million people. From India to Africa, from America to Ireland.
Probably true, or maybe exaggerated, maybe
it was only 100 million. People die for all kinds of reasons. French and Spanish (even Italians) can also be
counted on causing millions and millions to die. The two objections that I hear is that it was long time ago
and that it was 'not their own people'. Both are partially true, but not really relevant – Masais were being
killed by Britain in 1950′s and Irish are kind of part of the family.
Context matters, but I disagree with 'hero Stalin' arguments – I generally dislike heroes of all kinds.
And Stalin was a twerp, murderer and in many ways a failure. To defend him out of spite is silly. Let
history take care of what happened. (I am also puzzled by Pushkin at #3, what gives? he was shot because he
was inept in social situations, a hero? I suspect low level autism )
The Great Famine (Irish: an Gorta Mór, [anˠ ˈgɔɾˠt̪ˠa mˠoːɾˠ]) or the Great Hunger was a period of
mass starvation, disease, and emigration in Ireland between 1845 and 1849.[1] It is sometimes referred
to, mostly outside Ireland, as the Irish Potato Famine, because about two-fifths of the population was
solely reliant on this cheap crop for a number of historical reasons.[2][3]
During the famine, about
one million people died and a million more emigrated from Ireland,[4] causing the island's population to
fall by between 20% and 25%.[5]
Since the Acts of Union in January 1801, Ireland had been part of the United Kingdom.
Executive
power lay in the hands of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and Chief Secretary for Ireland, who were
appointed by the British government. Ireland sent 105 members of parliament to the House of Commons of
the United Kingdom, and Irish representative peers elected 28 of their own number to sit for life in the
House of Lords. Between 1832 and 1859, 70% of Irish representatives were landowners or the sons of
landowners.[8]
Records show that Irish lands exported food even during the worst years of the Famine. When Ireland
had experienced a famine in 1782–83, ports were closed to keep Irish-grown food in Ireland to feed the
Irish. Local food prices promptly dropped. Merchants lobbied against the export ban, but government in
the 1780s overrode their protests.[79] No such export ban happened in the 1840s.[80]
Throughout the entire period of the Famine, Ireland was exporting enormous quantities of food.
Sure, it didn't help. Also Hitler's, Bandera's, Polish, and even Habsburg heavy handedness didn't help.
Look around, most of history are stupid heavy-handed over-reaching acts
Ok, but would you agree that Ukraine has had a few contradicting tendencies? Galicians are 10-15% of Ukraine
and are totally Western-oriented. Donbass is not, no matter how you spin it. And Odessa, Kiev or Kharkov are
also not quite in the '
West-is-best, and there can be nothing else
' camp. Thus today's difficulties
in Ukraine.
The economic integration of the eastern 2/3 of Ukraine with Russia is real and hard to change
without major living standards disruption. That says that a compromise, or some degree of decentralisation
are required. Galicians and their allies don't want a compromise – they want it all. It will not work. It it
will cause a lot of tears and regrets.
Why should the British oligarchy care about the plight of Indians?
Whom should it provide those excuses to, anyway?
It would only be comparable if the "British oligarchy" had starved a couple of million Englishmen to
death. However, as I recall, the last famine affected BRITAIN occurred prior to the Black Death (!).
This is a joke? The English common people of the times of James Watt, worked fifteen hours a day for a
bowl of soup for the family. Children were chained to carts to carry coal and ore through narrow passages in
the mines. Throughout England, concentration camps (work houses) were established. A little earlier White
British were traded as cattle-raids were carried out in port cities to replenish the number of slaves on
sugar cane plantations. But white slaves in the tropical climate died very quickly, so they were replaced by
Negroes. British slave owners сonducted (as far as I know) even breeding work: white female slaves crossed
with black slaves , to obtain the optimal breed.
Grigory Potemkin was going to buy several tens of thousands of Englishmen for the settlement of the Crimea
and Novorossiya. Count Vorontsov (Russian Ambassador to England) managed to destroy this deal, otherwise in
the Crimea would speak English.
In England there was no short-term mass famine (similar to the famine in Ireland in 1848-49) but
monstrous living conditions killed the British monotonously and daily.
If my grandma had different genitalia, I would have called her a grandpa. I would have also grown up a very
confused kid: Why do I of all kids have a transgendered grandma and is this a sign of the things to come?
Anyhow, my favorite theory about history is this: The most optimal history, with the best case scenario
circumstances is the one that already happened. There is only one history and we can't improve on it based
on our superior knowledge now.
Sure Russia could have benefited from having a less homicidal maniac as a leader, but you can't improve
some parts of the equations that you don't like, without effecting the rest. Thank God that Russia was
communist in WW2 and that Hitler used that as an excuse as to why he hated the Slavs – because of communism
– yeah right.
Russia is not communist since 1991, why do they still hate them? Russia will be hated by the west no
matter what kind of political system they have. It's called jealousy. By having communism it provided Hitler
for an excuse to declare that to be the primary reason why the Russians have to be annihilated.
If the political system in Russia in WW2 was "democracy" – that might have lulled them into believing
that when the going got tough, a "deal" could have been made with the Nazis (even Stalin tried to sue for
peace with Hitler), or the west or whomever they might have ended up fighting in the revised version of
history of WW2. By not having those delusional options that they – the Russians as a democracy can make a
deal with the west which will save them – they might have avoided committing a national suicide.
In England there was no short-term mass famine (similar to the famine in Ireland in 1848-49) but
monstrous living conditions killed the British monotonously and daily.
England and Ireland were the same country (under the union – the United Kingdom), ruled from London –
until 1922. (Part of Ireland – Northern Ireland – is still with the United Kingdom).
So there was a mass famine, in which 25% of the population fell in one republic of the United Kingdom,
under the rule of London.
Couple this with your observation that there was virtually no support for Russian nationalism in
Ukraine, and what you have is a large area where in fact it appears that the Ukrainian national idea was
quite popular.
In central Ukraine the Ukrainian idea was popular. An overwhelming majority of the people voted for
Ukrainian parties, and they clearly had a Ukrainian self-identity. But unlike Galicians, or Poles, or Finns,
they were less likely to fight and die for their national idea in 1917-1920. To be sure, this spirit was not
absent – 100,000 volunteers isn't nothing. But it wasn't much either.
To put it in perspective – the two Donbas oblasts had 6.5 million people in 2013, compared to 27 or so
million ethnic Ukrainians in the Russian-ruled parts of Ukraine. So about 1/4 the population. Donbas
militias have about 40,000 troops. That would be equivalent to 160,000 troops in 1917 Ukraine. Now, there
are numerous caveats – Russia lavishly supplies the Donbas militias, Ukrainian ones were on their own, and
there are some pro-Kiev volunteers from Donbas whereas there were virtually no pro-Russian ones among
Russian Empire Russians.
Of course, to repeat myself, there was basically zero sentiment among these people to fight for Russia.
There were some Kadets from among ethnic Russians in Kiev but no pro-White military units of
Ukrainians/Little Russians from Russian-ruled Ukraine. Even Makhno, already losing, murdered Wrangel's
emissary's rather than join forces with him.
I've heard from folks knowing the Whites in Ukraine, that Ukrainian was spoken among those with
Russian Empire roots (not Galician) fighting on the side of the Whites.
Name any military units from Russian Ukraine who fought on the side of the Whites. There were not.
Zero. Some Ukrainian-speaking Cossacks from the Kuban did, but Kuban isn't in Ukraine.
the Galician Ukrainian Army en masse came under the command of the Russian Whites.
It's telling that only the Galicians (briefly) placed themselves under White command but no ethnic
Ukrainian forces from Russian Ukraine ever did. Galicians did it after they became stateless (Petlura signed
Galicia over to Poland in exchange for help against the Soviets) during a typhoid epidemic and received
much-needed medicine from the Entente that the Whites had access to. I don't think they ever fought a battle
for the Whites, although I may be mistaken on that point. The Whites disintegrated before the Galicians
could get healthy.
Under similar circumstances some Galicians ended up fighting in the Red Army against Poland. One of the
Red Galician commanders, Alfred Bizanz (an ethnic German), eventually made his way west and 20 years later
become a commander of the Galician SS Division.
: Out of curiosity–had Ukraine been smaller (no Galicia, Volhynia, Subcarpathian Ruthenia, Bessarabia, and
northern Bukovina–for instance, had Hitler never become to power in Germany and there would have thus been
no German-Soviet partition of Poland), and had Ukraine would have joined the Eurasian Economic Union after
the collapse of the Soviet Union (if it would have still occurred in this scenario, that is), what do you
think that the long(er)-term future of the Eurasian Economic Union would have looked like in this scenario?
Also, as a side note, it's interesting that, with the exception of Yekaterinoslav Guberniya, Ukrainian
parties don't appear to have done very well in "Novorossiya" in the 1917 elections. Indeed, they failed to
win in the Kharkiv Guberniya, in the Taurida Guberniya, and in the Kherson Guberniya.
In turn, this makes me
wonder–had an independent Ukrainian state limited to central and western Ukraine been created, how viable
would it have been? After all, this state would have been landlocked (I can't see Russia agreeing to give up Yekaterinoslav Guberniya considering that it would cut off the Taurida Guberniya, the Kherson Guberniya, and
the Bessarabian Guberniya from the rest of Russia) and would have thus had to rely on Russia, Poland, or
Romania for sea access.
Finally, off-topic, but as a side question–why exactly were Ukrainians outside of Galicia unwilling to
fight en masse for the Ukrainian national cause in 1917-1920?
Sure Russia could have benefited from having a less homicidal maniac as a leader, but you can't
improve some parts of the equations that you don't like, without effecting the rest. Thank God that
Russia was communist in WW2 and that Hitler used that as an excuse as to why he hated the Slavs – because
of communism – yeah right.
Russia is not communist since 1991, why do they still hate them? Russia will be hated by the west no
matter what kind of political system they have. It's called jealousy. By having communism it provided
Hitler for an excuse to declare that to be the primary reason why the Russians have to be annihilated.
Read
Mein Kampf
. The H-man didn't use communism as an "excuse". He openly planned to eliminate
Russians because they stood in the way of his dream of a continental German Empire, and he considered slavs
to be racially inferior (a view he reneged on at the end of his life for obvious reasons).
The idea that the West is "naturally" hostile to Russia is completely bogus. The American Empire has been
mostly hostile to Russia since 1945, and yes for America communism was mostly (though not completely) an
excuse. The "wise men" who formulated the doctrine of Containment admitted as much.
Prior to 1945 Russia was part of the normal European state system. Depending on the state of the times
Russia could be friendly, isolated, allied, at war, etc. with any number of European states. Where was the
implacable Western hatred of Russia exactly?
Germany fought two wars with Russia in the 20th century, but in the 19th century it was a German
statesman (vom Stein) who convinced Tsar Alexander to join with Prussia in forming the Sixth Coalition to
finally beat Napoleon. Only the year before one out of three soldiers in Napoleon's Grand Army had in fact
been German!
Likewise Napoleon invaded Russia, but a century later France was Russia's greatest ally.
Awhile back, I had earlier presented those in the officer ranks of the White Russians with ties to Ukraine.
You pooh poohed that by noting their ties to Russia proper (for lack of a better term) – which BTW was part
of the same entity as much of what's now known as Ukraine.
That the White leadership was top heavy with folks from outside Ukraine doesn't mean that there wasn't a
noticeable degree of rank and file White participation among people from the territory of what became the
Ukrainian SSR – including individuals who'd qualify as being ethnic Ukrainian. Hence the previously noted
recollection of Ukrainian being spoken among the Whites. I also know someone whose family joined the Whites
after serving under Skoropadsky. That person's family has direct roots to Ukraine and has what's considered
a typical Ukrainian surname. He has played a lead role in patriotic Russian anti-Communist emigre circles.
Know some others with a similar background as well.
The Whites started their anti-Bolshevik opposition outside the territory of what became modern day
Ukraine. The Russian Civil War era elections in Kiev didn't include a large segment of the overall
population of what became the Ukrainian SSR and is therefore not so conclusive in determining public opinion
at the time there. Hence, it's within reason to say (as has been previously stated by others) that a good
number of folks on the territory of what became the Ukrainian SSR weren't so motivated to support any of the
lead Russian Civil War era combatants.
Meantime, it's clear that Petliura lacked support on the territory he sought to represent. He was
militarily no match for either the Whites or Reds. The latter two had support within what became the
Ukrainian SSR. Despite their differences, the Whites and Reds each supported some form of Russo-Ukrainian
togetherness which brings to mind Skoropadsky's edict for an
All-Russian Federation
, inclusive of
Russia and Ukraine:
Due to the dominating German presence, Skoropadsky and the Whites had problems connecting. In addition,
the Germans restricted the amount of weapons to Skoropadsky's forces – which was to greatly assist those who
overthrew Skoropadsky as WW I came to an end.
On another matter you recently brought up, Makhno fought Petliura's forces. Makhno, was arguably more of
an anarchist than a Ukrainian nationalist.
The idea that the West is "naturally" hostile to Russia is completely bogus
Let's drop the 'naturally' qualifier, since we wouldn't agree on how to define it. That leaves a
question: has West been hostile to Russia? Yes, in the last 10-15 years, no sane person could deny it. Maybe
there are reasons for it, but the hostility is undeniable – and it covers Brits, Americans, French, German,
Spanish, and even Italians. Dutch, Swedes and Danish have also been hostile.
West claims that they would not be hostile if Russia '
would change its ways
'. Interesting, by that
standard we could all be friends. I always tell people '
if you do 100% what I want, and agree with me
100%, I will be your best friend'
. To ask others to change is to admit that you dislike them as they
are, thus logically, you simply dislike them.
The second weasel excuse is that West likes Russian people, just dislikes their government (for some
strange reason always personalised as 'Putin'). We hear this less and less because it is so absurd –
Russians have chosen the government, they agree with most main policies. Let's call spade a spade: West
doesn't like Russia as it is.
How long has this been going on before 2000? Putting aside the communist era, one can find very strong
anti-Russian sentiments in all main Western countries at least since late 18th century, with Britain being
the outstanding hater. There were occasional opportunistic thaws when some country needed an ally, or needed
something, but in general West was always quite hostile towards Russia. It is too big, it is Orthodox, it
has its own vibe. From Napoleon, to Crimean War (West invaded to side with Ottoman Moslems to keep Russia
from gaining influence in the Balkans), to Hitler's coalition
European Christian civilization will not prosper divided. West gleefully destroyed and abandoned
Byzantium 500 years ago. They are making the same mistake today.
Maybe no-one here knows or cares, but I would be interested to know about the impact of the war with Germany
on Marxist-Leninist ideology in Russia. It seems like the original Marxist conception was that the workers'
revolution would just happen and spread until it was universal.
Then fascism was supposed to be a last-ditch
defense of the system by the capitalists. So after an enormous war in which fascism was actually defeated –
did they think that now the tide had turned? And with the disintegration of the European maritime empires,
and with many of the newly independent countries turning towards socialism, an optimistic attitude (towards
the eventual global victory of socialism) must have been possible for many decades Maybe I should read
something by Suslov, I've heard that he was the ideological chief in the Brezhnev era.
Name the ethnic Ukrainian units or military formations from Russian ruled
Ukraine that fought on the side of the Whites in 1917-1920.
You failed to do so.
Because there were none.
There was no widescale or even smallscale support for Russia among ethnic Ukrainians in Russian-ruled
Ukraine. Only, perhaps, some individuals out of the millions. But you failed to provide even names of those
so it must have been a small number indeed.
Saying you know someone or heard of someone doesn't count.
Meanwhile, around 100,000 ethnic Ukrainians from Russian-ruled Ukraine did fight for various Ukrainian
nationalist leaders from Russian-ruled Ukraine, such as Symon Petliura, or Danylo Zeleny (30,000 troops at
peak). Not much from a territory of 27 million people, but more than the virtually zero who took up arms for
Russia.
Makhno's wife was a Ukrainian-language teacher. His forces were basically neutral towards those of the
Ukrainian nationalist Petliura while being bitterly opposed to the Whites; Makhno contributed to Denikin's
defeat, and even when he was about to be defeated by the Bolsheviks he killed Wrangel's envoys rather than
cooperate with the Whites.
(I am also puzzled by Pushkin at #3, what gives? he was shot because he was inept in social
situations, a hero? I suspect low level autism )
Levada doesn't explicitly say 'heroes', just 'great personalities', so Pushkin would be considered due to
his cultural contributions.
The polls are often based on the public's knowledge of historical figures, their perception of who is
good and current societal moods (which is why Putin is a joint second place).
Much as I love the idea of enslaving the English, all of this is something out of a parallel universe.
Oh really?
"
Both in England and in France used all means in order to gain the right immigrants (slaves)
In
Bristol simply abducted men, women and children
Under Cromwell held mass sending Scottish and Irish
prisoners. From 1717 to 1779 Britain sent to the colonies 50 thousand exiles (as slaves), and in 1732 the
humane Evangelist John Ogtrop founded a new colony in Georgia wanting to gather many prisoners for debt
Consequently, there was widespread and long-lasting white slavery it disappeared for economic reasons, not
for racial ones
."
Fernand Braudel. -- Civilisation matérielle, économie et capitalisme, XVe-XVIIIe siècle
There are many similar examples in this book. Here's another (not going to translate into English, as I
don't have time):
"
Задержанного бродягу пороли плетьми "прикованного палачом к задку телеги". Ему выбривали голову, его
клеймили каленым железом; в случае рецидива его грозили повесить без суда и следствия или отправить на
галеры – и запросто отправляли В 1547 г. английский парламент постановил, что бродяги будут не более не
менее обращаться в рабство (эта мера была два года спустя отменена, так как не удалось решить вопрос с
использованием этих рабов) идея витала в воздухе. Ожье Бузбек (представитель испанского короля при турецком
султане) полагал что "ежели бы рабство применялось справедливо или мягче, как того требуют римские законы,
не было бы необходимости вешать и карать всех тех, кои ничего не имея ничего кроме свободы и жизни
становится преступником от нужды". И в конечном счете это решение возобладает в 17 веке ибо разве заключение
в тюрьму и на каторжные работы это разве не рабство? Повсюду бродяг сажают под замок: в Италии в приюты для
бедных, в Англии в работные дома (workhouse), в Женеве в исправительную тюрьму (Discipline), в Германии в
исправительные дома (Zuhthauser), в Париже – в смирительные дома (maison de forse): в Гранд Опиталь
созданный ради заключения там бедняков в 1662, в Бастилию, Венсенский замок, Сен-Лазар, Бисетр, Шарнтон,
Мадлен, Сен-Пелажи. На помощь властям приходили также болезни и смерть И однако же ни неутомимая
труженица-смерть, ни свирепые тюрьмы не искоренили зло Не взирая на экономический подьем, пауперизм
усилился в 18 веке из за демографического роста Тысячи крестьян оказались выброшенными на дороги – наподобие
того, как задолго до этого времени происходило в Англии с началом огораживаний. В 18 веке эта человеческая
грязь от которой никому не удавалось избавится поглощала все: вдов, сирот, калек, беглых подмастерьев,
священников без церковных доходов, стариков, погорельцев, жертв войн, обрюхаченных служанок, девиц матерей
ото всюду прогоняемых и детей посылаемых за хлебом или на воровство Порядочные люди старались не думать о
этих "подонках общества, отбросах городов, биче республик, материале для виселиц. Их столько и повсюду, что
было бы довольно трудно их счесть, а годны они лишь на то, чтобы отправить их на галеры или повесить, чтобы
служили примером
"
White Cargo is the forgotten story of the thousands of Britons who lived and died in bondage in
Britain's American colonies.
In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, more than 300,000 white people were shipped to America as
slaves. Urchins were swept up from London's streets to labor in the tobacco fields, where life expectancy
was no more than two years. Brothels were raided to provide "breeders" for Virginia. Hopeful migrants
were duped into signing as indentured servants, unaware they would become personal property who could be
bought, sold, and even gambled away. Transported convicts were paraded for sale like livestock.
Drawing on letters crying for help, diaries, and court and government archives, Don Jordan and Michael
Walsh demonstrate that the brutalities usually associated with black slavery alone were perpetrated on
whites throughout British rule. The trade ended with American independence, but the British still tried
to sell convicts in their former colonies, which prompted one of the most audacious plots in
Anglo-American history.
This is a saga of exploration and cruelty spanning 170 years that has been submerged under the
overwhelming memory of black slavery. White Cargo brings the brutal, uncomfortable story to the surface
.
However, I did not read this book, perhaps the author of a falsifier like Solzhenitsyn. But the story
about the failed purchase of two-legged cattle ("free" British) for the settlement of the Crimea – true. And
this is the end of the 18th century.
Your personal anecdotes haven't been shown to be more legit than the ones I've provided.
Militarily, Petliura's forces did nothing of significance against the Whites and Reds for the reasons I
mentioned. You fail to grasp the fact that people on what became Ukrainian territory fought on the White side. Such
folks were typically never with Petliura – which is understandable given how many never supported him.
There's some difference on the actual number of Petliura's forces. Lehovich notes that just prior to
Petliura's break with the Galician Ukrainians, he commanded a force of 35,000, of which 20,000 were
Galician.
Wikipedia and other sources make note that Makhno fought Petliura's forces.
Upon Petliura's break with the Galician Ukrainian Army, the Whites severely beat his forces in the areas
of Uman, Gaisin and Birsula. Thereafter, Petliura's forces retreated behind Polish lines.
You're irrelevantly boorish, with an autistic trait by not acknowledging the obvious about folks ethnically
akin to the territory of what became the Ukrainian SSR, who fought on the White side, without having
previously been associated with Petliura, who lacked a good deal of popular support.
Their looting aside, what great battles did Zeleny's forces win? In comparison, Makhno had military
significance in a way that Petliura and Zeleny didn't. Onc e again noting that Makhno was more of an
anarchist than Ukrainian nationalist. The academically written works on the Russian Civil War give little
comparative mention to Zeleny.
Makhno fought all factions which sought to impose any external authority over southern Ukraine,
battling in succession the Ukrainian Nationalists, the Imperial German and Austro-German occupation, the
Hetmanate Republic, the Russian White Army, the Russian Red Army, and other smaller forces led by
Ukrainian otamans.
Denikin was militarily stronger than Petliura. That aspect motivated Makhno to concentrate more of his
efforts against Denikin than Petliura.
An autistic trait is the inability to not grasp a valid point that conflicts with a rehashed mantra. You've
exhibited such much unlike myself.
Once again noting that folks ethnically akin to what became the former Ukrainian SSR fought on the White
side, without having necessarily been associated with Petliura's forces or any other committed to a complete
Ukrainian separatism from Russia – thereby explaining the accounts of Ukrainian being spoken among some
Whites. Quite believable given Petliura's limited popularity.
So, the russians invaded, looted and destroyed our countries and kept us imprisoned by force for 50
years in their dystopia and now they call us freeloaders that needed to be fed?
The USSR exported oil, gas, and other raw materials to COMECON members and got inferior, overpriced
manufactured goods in return. The RSFSR was likewise one of only two net donors to the USSR. Moreover, in 1946-47, "conquered" East Germans were literally fed at the expense of
starving Russians
.
Consequently, Kholmogorov is perfectly correct.
So your real objection is "tone" or similar crap. This makes you the East European edition of an SJW.
* Indentured servants – People
*willingly*
signed a
contract to work for x number of years (as I recall, 3-5 was standard) in return for the Trans-Atlantic
ticket. Well, labor laws were harsh then, no doubt about that.
* Press-ganging into the Royal Navy – Perhaps closer to "white slavery", but then again, you could look
at it as a sort of roughhouse conscription. And they got paid once in service.
All of the rest was either (1) not slavery, or (2) much have been small-scale and untypical.
First off, we're talking about a replacement religion for the bozos who march around with Stalin icons.
But I'll defend them anyway.
First image has a powerful aesthetic that evokes the techpriests of the Adeptus Mechanicus in the
Imperium of Man. Praise be to the Omnissiah!
This is also in line with Kholmogorov's vision of
Atomic
Orthodoxy
, whereby our permanent nuclear stalemate leads to the primacy of ideological struggle. Psykers
awake!
Second image is the book cover to a sci-fi novel by Alexander Zorich, which is a collective pen-name for
a male and female writer from Kharkov. Their series takes place in the 27th century where Russia and Ukraine
are united, and constitute a space empire.
Press-ganging was doubtless unpleasant for those experiencing it, but was minor compared to the full-scale
conscription present in every other European state.
Sending rebels and other criminals to America was
obviously much more humane than the alternative of execution or mutilation. Georgia was actually founded by
philanthropists to try and reform criminals, but failed like most such projects. There was of course nothing
unique about this, the French attempt to try and populate Louisiana with prostitutes, among other criminals,
is well-known.
Once again a double standard is applied to Britain.
You completely flopped in trying to disprove the historically obvious:
- Petliura had limited support on
the territory which became the Ukrainian SSR
- that resulted in his willingness to become Pilsudski's puppet.
If his vision was so popular, the Whites and Reds would've had a difficult time with him, which wasn't
the case – partly on account of the Reds and Whites each finding support on the territory that became the
Ukrainian SSR. As noted earlier, there was also the matter of many on the territory of what became the
Ukrainian SSR, not being so supportive of any of the armed groups.
Galicia is the North-Western part of the modern Ukrainian state. It was always part of Poland throughout
history. They're distantly related to people in Ukraine proper, and were annexed to the Ukrainian SSR by
Stalin in 1939.
They're the political and cultural driver behind a 'Western' orientation for Ukraine. Which is not
surprising: they're just wanting to rejoin a historical greater Poland.
Which will happen sooner or later, one way or the other. Outright annexation is probably unfeasible
today, so Poland as a 'plan B' is right now in the process of giving Galicians Polish citizenship.
These people (in very many cases) were not volunteers (read the quote carefully). Temporary slavery (7
years) on sugar cane plantations (where white people have been dying for 2 years) is an evil joke. There was
(along with temporary) and permanent white slavery. And if you like the British Empire slavery, I have
absolutely no idea what you're up against Stalin. Stalin's concentration camps were no worse than the
British plantations. And of course, in both cases, the victims were "criminals".
Once again a double standard is applied to Britain.
I don't think that's the motivation in this case, it's rather an attempt to claim that whites were
subject to slavery just as blacks (which isn't true, indentured servitude was limited in time). Part of the
debate who's had it worse in American history, blacks or "white trash".
In reality, many were children of single mothers who had been forced to give them up for adoption in
an era when their solitary status constituted a grave social stigma.
An excellent program that should immediately be revived, in other words.
Single mothers are parasites and a plague on society.
If a single mother is unable or refuses to marry prior to giving birth to her child, by law the child
should be immediately confiscated from her and placed for adoption (alternatively, raised by the state as a
janissary).
No abortion unless the child is mixed race or genetically unfit, as we want to inflict maximal emotional
trauma on these whores rather than provide them with an easy way out.
The USSR exported oil, gas, and other raw materials to COMECON members and got inferior, overpriced
manufactured goods in return.
Even if that's true, the "freeloader" accusation is still grotesque, since those countries would have
been economically much better off and enjoyed a higher standard of living outside the Soviet orbit. At the
very least, it would be nice to acknowledge that the Soviet system was bad for everyone involved and
Russians hardly its only victims.
Kholmogorov really comes across as incredibly autistic on these matters. Ok, he's writing for a Russian
audience which likes that kind of narrative, I get that. But hard to see what's the point then of
translating him into English, unless one wants to confirm the worst suspicions about Russian nationalists.
Kholmogorov really comes across as incredibly autistic on these matters. Ok, he's writing for a
Russian audience which likes that kind of narrative, I get that. But hard to see what's the point then of
translating him into English, unless one wants to confirm the worst suspicions about Russian
nationalists.
Absolutely correct. But Kholmogorov is a very marginal figure in Russia.
Levada doesn't explicitly say 'heroes', just 'great personalities', so Pushkin would be considered due
to his cultural contributions
That clarifies it. But if you ask people about 'greatness', their answers are based on notoriety for
some, admiration for others, sympathy, etc. I recently saw Pushkin on a list of African contributors to civilisation due to his partial Abyssinian
ancestry. His story has always puzzled me.
You're
German
. Other than some unhinged HIAG fanatics (are any left?), without exception even German
nationalists are so traumatized by WW2 and the postwar denazification that none of you dare to assert
yourselves. I see it as increasingly likely that we'll be forced to liberate you. Though perhaps you'll yet
find your Stresemann.
Russians, and many other nationalities, aren't like that.
That said I'll agree that Russian nationalists in general (not just Kholmogorov) could use a better tone
on certain subjects. They're particularly unhinged about the Baltic states, even people of mild temperament
like Dmitri.
The loser countries between Germany and Russia of course object to this assertiveness. Boo-hoo. Try not
being losers instead. The Poles to their credit do try.
there were zero military units and virtually no Ukrainians from Russian-ruled Ukraine fighting for the
Whites.
I am not sure people put that much thought into it. If they did, the Whites were socially very
unsympathetic for most people. The uniforms, rituals, pomposity. A friend of mine is a descendant of a White
Russian officer, he says he wouldn't fight with the Whites either, too snotty and you had to polish your
boots.
Out of curiosity, how many people in Ukraine fought for the Reds? Since they won, there had to be a few.
Or were they mostly Latvian riflemen with angry lapsed Jews as officers?
It's got to be his strong Christian Orthodox message. Don't forget, Kholmogorov stated that:
Petro Poroshenko owes an enormous debt to Stalin, who enabled the Ukrainization of Ukrainizers.
Don't forget, in the Russian nationalist parallel universe (for internal consumption only!
Stalin
was the father of the Ukrainian nation. I can't wait to get my hands on Karlin's magnum opus 'Putler, the
Dark Lord of the Kremlin', where it will finally be revealed to whom exactly Putler owes his fortunes to. Is
it just a coincidence that both Putler and Porkoshenko were implicated in the 'Panama papers' scandal, where
both civic patriots, in their own right, were implicated in international money laundering projects? Seems
like its been all quieted down since when it first surfaced in 2015?
I see it as increasingly likely that we'll be forced to liberate you
No thanks, Americans "liberating" us is one of the main reasons for the mess we're in (interesting though
that even Trump supporters have this messianic impulse to tell other peoples what to do, that seems to be an
unchanging constant of the American character).
Look, I get how those "might is right" power fantasies are great fun on internet message boards, but they're
not a sound basis for constructive and mutually beneficial European-Russian relations which is still what I
want. It's not my business to tell Russians how to run their country or how to deal with their history, but
I just don't see how a vision as one-sided as Kholmogorov's will do much good. I'm all for nationalism in
the sense of rejecting mass immigration, multiculturalism etc., but do I want a return to pre-1914
nationalisms with all their national antagonisms? Given how it ended last time, certainly not.
Russians have the same problem that Germans had: they are visibly impatient with smaller nationalities.
Americans are like that too. It eventually backfires.
loser countries between Germany and Russia of course object to this assertiveness
You miss the longer historical picture if you dismiss us as 'loser countries'. In the last 100 years, by
any standard, the big winners have been the smaller countries between Germany and Russia (or West and
Russia). Politically, demographically, economically they have prospered beyond anything one would guess in
1900. This includes the endlessly demonised post-WWII period. They also probably have a better future than
their western and southern neighbours. All we need is peace and well managed borders, and for the Western
meddlers to mind their business.
Why do the German people continue to elect politicians and political parties that encourage the immigration
patterns of third world refugees? Or are the results different than in France, where its plainly obvious
that the country is descending into the sewers? (for some reason, one doesn't expect more from the French).
Even if that's true, the "freeloader" accusation is still grotesque, since those countries would have
been economically much better off and enjoyed a higher standard of living outside the Soviet orbit.
You have to realize that Kholmogorov argues here with
Stalinists
. What kind of argument is likely
to get through to them? Certainly not any of the regular anti-Stalin bromides that have currency in the
West.
This whole thing is so out of context, I don't know why it was translated in the first place.
Russians have the same problem that Germans had: they are visibly impatient with smaller
nationalities. Americans are like that too. It eventually backfires.
Actually, Russians are generally not like that. Or at least they weren't in the past. What you are seeing
is a natural reaction to the messages the Russians were getting from the Eastern Europe in the past 30
years.
This whole thing is so out of context, I don't know why it was translated in the first place.
What context? Although I find most of Kholmogorov's ideas to be infantile and unbelievable, I applaud
Karlin for bringing it up here, outside of the ghetto that it was intended for. It's good to see just what
sorts of idiotic ideas and concerns are circulating today in the parallel universe of the Russian
nationalists. Keep doing it Anatoly!
You have to realize that Kholmogorov argues here with Stalinists. What kind of argument is likely to
get through to them?
Complaining that Russians didn't get enough out of WW2 in territorial annexations is a really weird
argument imo (Kholmogorov even complains about the loss of Russian influence in Manchuria does anybody in
Russia care about this?).
The part about collectivization and industrialization is more relevant imo given the damage Stalinist
methods caused to Russia itself (I know many Russian commenters here will disagree about that, and I'm not
going to argue with them since that's an internal Russian debate as far as I'm concerned).
What's weird about it?
What the hell is the point of conquering Berlin and not getting anything out of it
other than Konigsberg?
The Russians might as well have made a separate peace after 1943.
Instead they quite literally
wasted
millions more men in order to impose communism in Eastern
Europe, and proceeded even to impose yet another famine on their own people in order to shore up the
ridiculous East German regime.
If the Germans had won instead you can bet your country would've gotten something out of it.
That's interesting, thanks. Haven't had time to read it yet but here is an article by the author cited above
(Jane Humphries), from the
Economic History Review
, on the same subject, based on her book
What the hell is the point of conquering Berlin and not getting anything out of it other than
Konigsberg?
Well, what exactly should Russia have annexed then? And what would have been done to the non-Russian
population already in place there? Forced population transfers like in East Prussia or former East Poland?
If they had been left in place, that would obviously conflict with Russian nationalism in the narrow sense
and be more in the tradition of multiethnic imperialism.
Out of curiosity, how many people in Ukraine fought for the Reds? Since they won, there had to be a
few. Or were they mostly Latvian riflemen with angry lapsed Jews as officers?
The Reds had a lot of ethnic Russian troops from cities like Kharkiv. There were a few ethnic Ukrainians
fighting for the Reds (perhaps the most significant was Semyon Timoshenko, from Odessa region) but mostly it
was a matter of anarchists or nationalists making temporary alliances with the Reds and placing themselves
under Red command in order to keep the Whites out. Even some of the Galicians temporarily joined the Reds,
in order to fight against Poland:
Kholmogorov apparently thinks the Tsarist WW1 war aims were good.
I'm not Russian, and I suggest that
Karlin propose his own hypothetical war aims.
Had I been in Stalin's shoes, I would've concluded a separate peace with Germany as soon as practical.
Russia is not a country which needs more territory, resources, and population. The blood letting from
1943-1945 were not worth anything which could have been obtained.
Essential aims would have been independent and neutral Central European buffer states, resumption of
German-Russian trade, and German technological assistance.
If you want me to discuss "maximalist" objectives, I would've annexed everything up to the Elbe. Cities
would be depopulated of unreliable nationalities and overtime replaced with East Slavs and other reliable
groups. Peasants, farmers, etc. would continue to work their lands but for Russian barons. No peasant would
be admitted to a city unless with Russian fluency and sincere profession of the Orthodox faith. Catholic and
Protestant Churchs would be turned into Orthodox churchs. German technicians, scientists, machinists, and
other skilled technical workers would be employed in Russian service under good conditions.
Stalin couldn't really have concluded a separate peace with Hitler in 1943 (or anytime later).
1) The
Western powers might've made a peace with Hitler themselves after this. Then Hitler would've destroyed the
USSR, and Stalin would've made a fool of himself.
2) Hitler might've won the war in the West, and then turned once more on the USSR. You know the story from
here on.
3) The Western allies might've defeated Hitler anyway, but would've been way more hostile to the USSR (which
then would immediately be seen as a treacherous power willing to prop up Hitler despite having been attacked
by him), the USSR would've received way less assistance from them (the bulk of it came 1943-45), would've
been unable to steal the nuclear secrets (the Britons wouldn't have sold the designs of their jet engine, by
the way), and so would've been much weaker relative to the victorious and way more hostile West.
As a bonus point, how would you sell the separate peace to your own population, which by that point in
time properly hated the Germans, and with good reasons?
I'm not Russian, and I suggest that Karlin propose his own hypothetical war aims.
That would indeed be interesting, and I'd also like to see specific statements about how one should have
dealt with non-Russian populations in those areas.
In general, I find AK's stance on those issues somewhat contradictory. To me it seems like he's clearly a
Russian ethnic nationalist. But then he lauds the multiethnic Tsarist empire with all its troublesome
national minorities, and makes insinuations about lost chances for territorial annexations (as if Russia
weren't a huge country even today) that would have brought even more non-Russians into that empire.
This basically comes down to the thesis that Hitler was demonic and would return to finish off the USSR no
matter what.
I'm highly skeptical of this thesis.
The Western allies had proven already in 1940 that they were completely unwilling to negotiate with
Hitler. Granted, who knows what the reaction to a separate peace would have been.
There is one simple criteria when truing to evaluate a ruler or a statesman. Just compare the country before
and after him/her. In this sense Stalin is as great as Peter the Great, just not in name. No amount of "what
if", "alternative history" or "cost and effect" analysis can change that.
Of the topic (or precisely on
the topic) both Russian Empire and more recently Soviet Union collapsed, and there must have been a
perfectly mundane reasons for that.
It's a duty of current generations to learn the good and bad from both, avoid pitfalls and continue forward.
There was plenty that the empire left to the SU that it could build upon, just as there is quite a bit of
legacy left by the Soviet Union that modern RF can rely on.
But, as someone here already mentioned here, and I agree, that is what Putin has been doing.
I agree the Makhnovists fought mainly against the Whites, who were the biggest threat for them, but
neutrality and occassional collaboration with the Petliurists was purely tactical.
This isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be. The trouble is that people like us have created a
mental anchor by settling on the term "nationalism".
A Russian ethnic nation-state is not necessarily more
desirable than a Russian-dominated multiethnic empire, nor vice-a-versa. It depends on the particular
circumstances and conditions.
Or to move over to your country, would a federal Europe be a bad thing if it was led by people with ideas
more like yours or the Magyar Miracle rather than Jean Claude Juncker?
Steve Sailer likes to harp on the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and points out that because "continentalism"
isn't a political concept no one ever thinks of this. Hence the patriotic resistance in Europe gets itself
into traps like Marine Le Pen campaigning for the abolition of the Euro.
Authors are filmmakers or something. Actual historians were not impressed. Sorry, you believe nonsense.
I'm afraid in this case your sense of nonsense is misplaced. I read the book a couple of years ago, and
while it had its flaws I found it pretty convincing.
The fact that "actual historians" don't like it says nothing, since it is obviously an anti-PC book that
could not possibly be embraced by the guardians of our past. However, before the "conventional wisdom" had
coalesced to relegate it to the rubbish bin, an early review in the
New York Times
was far more
favorable:
"White Cargo" is meticulously sourced and footnoted -- which is wise, given its contentious material --
but it is never dry or academic. Quotations from 17th- and 18th-century letters, diaries and newspapers
lend authenticity as well as color. Excerpts from wills, stating how white servants should be passed down
along with livestock and furniture, say more than any textbook explanation could. The authors are not
only historians, but also natural storytellers with a fine sense of drama and character.
Despite the heaviness of the subject matter, their playful way with words and love of literary
allusion come through. There are kidnapping victims of the kind written about in Daniel Defoe's "Colonel
Jack," and a tumultuous ocean voyage that may have inspired Shakespeare's writing of "The Tempest."
What little discussion there is about this forgotten bit of American history is sometimes linked to
those with ulterior political motives, usually interested in delegitimizing current-day discourse about
race or the teaching of black history. "White Cargo," which was first published in Britain last year, has
a refreshing sense of distance and neutrality. The authors take care to quote African-American sources
and clearly state that they have no wish to play down the horrors of the much larger black slave trade
that followed.
If anything, Jordan and Walsh offer an explanation of how the structures of slavery -- black or white --
were entwined in the roots of American society. They refrain from drawing links to today, except to
remind readers that there are probably tens of millions of Americans who are descended from white slaves
without even knowing it.
By the way, one of the authors that you so belittle last year published a very well-received book
entitled
The King's City: London under Charles II: A city that transformed a nation – and created modern
Britain
-- the third volume in his trilogy about Charles II (the first two written jointly in
collaboration with the second author of
White Cargo
).
Hitler was demonic and would return to finish off the USSR no matter what
Not demonic, just driven by an ideology. He believed in his own mission to create the great Thousand Year
Reich up to the Ural (and beyond, actually), and would've thought such a stroke of luck as a sign from
Providence that he needs to press ahead with his plans. In any event, Hitler was unwilling to even seriously
negotiate with Stalin, because he also didn't (and couldn't) trust Stalin, a man he'd already betrayed
before. So the issue was mutual. Hitler was (must've been) afraid that Stalin would stab him in the back
later. While Stalin was (must've been) afraid that Hitler would stab him in the back later, as he'd already
done once.
But what did exactly the US or the UK gotten out of their victory? The US got some satellite states (just
as the USSR), but because it was richer to begin with and didn't have an insane economic system, it could at
least keep them after 1990. But those satellites were actually still unreliable from a US viewpoint. It's
questionable if they will keep them another seven decades, I highly doubt it. In the meantime they opened up
their borders to prove the world that they are not racists. They also opened up their markets to Japan and
Germany and South Korea etc. to prop those countries up.
It seems to me that long term, the US got just as little from its victory as Russia. It might actually be
totally destroyed ethnically, while Russia at least plausibly could stay Russian long term. If you compare
ethnically Russian areas 1939 and 2018, they are almost the same. But ethnically white American areas 1939
vs. 2018, and it seems like the Americans were even bigger losers.
People change their beliefs. Hitler for instance no longer consider slavs to be inferior at the end of his
life. Supposing you're correct then we have my maximalist vision of a Russian Empire reaching the Elbe,
ideally with a port on the North Sea as well if the army could've gotten there in time (plausible with a
different offensive strategy in 1944-45).
But what did exactly the US or the UK gotten out of their victory? The US got some satellite states
(just as the USSR), but because it was richer to begin with and didn't have an insane economic system, it
could at least keep them after 1990. But those satellites were actually still unreliable from a US
viewpoint. It's questionable if they will keep them another seven decades, I highly doubt it. In the
meantime they opened up their borders to prove the world that they are not racists. They also opened up
their markets to Japan and Germany and South Korea etc. to prop those countries up.
It seems to me that long term, the US got just as little from its victory as Russia. It might actually
be totally destroyed ethnically, while Russia at least plausibly could stay Russian long term. If you
compare ethnically Russian areas 1939 and 2018, they are almost the same. But ethnically white American
areas 1939 vs. 2018, and it seems like the Americans were even bigger losers.
I have complained bitterly about this before. American foreign policy took a permanently fatal wrong turn
with the election of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Previously American foreign policy had oscillated between isolationism and expansionism, but always with
a clear pursuit of American self-interest. This was firmly established already in the 1790s, when George
Washington flatly rejected airheaded nonsense about aiding revolutionary France b/c muh liberty.
After FDR American foreign policy pursued idealistic, errant nonsense. The only significant departures
from that have been Nixon and Trump.
This started when FDR placed sanctions on Italy for the "crime" of invading Ethiopia. Willingly giving up
commercial exports during the Great Depression.
The outrages continued with FDR's refusal to punish Mexico from expropriating American oil interests in
1938.
Our fate was sealed with the adoption of the Atlantic Charter (airheaded rubbish) and the passing of the
Lend-Lease Program, where we gave weapons to countries fighting the Axis in exchange for nothing (other than
a 99 year lease of some British bases). Why not instead demand Bermuda and the British West Indies?
The appropriate strategy in dealing with the Axis would've been either hemispheric defense (as proposed
by the American First Committee) or joining them to dismember the British Empire.
I'm surprised you have such a PC view of American history. As multiple sources make clear, the information
presented in
White Cargo
is correct -- large numbers of (white) people were effectively involuntarily
"enslaved" in colonial America, in conditions that were no better (and often worse) than enslaved Africans.
Surely his views and outlook are a little distinctive, in every country, not just Russia (or America). But
it doesn't make them less entertaining/interesting/funny, etc.
From the perspective of a blog, if the viewpoint of the blogger is more frequently found in the public ,
then they would be easier to find, less rare – and there would be less reason for audience to visit the
blog. If all the blogger's views are 'typical' – then why would anyone visit the blog? They could read the
main news sites and encounter the identical content.
More generally, the more thinking or thoughtful people, will usually have more unusual and unpredictable
combinations of views, which cannot be categorized into simple groups.
If you encounter that your views can 'map' predictably onto any political movement, common ideology, or
political party in your country -then you need to question your views (and the influence of conformism in
the predictability).
Thanks. How does an anarchist-nationalist temporarily allied with the Reds look like in person? I am always
amused by the ability of certain eastern European types to push the boundary of coherent thought. There is
too much of something there, or maybe something missing. Many just want a gun to take a revenge on the
crappy world.
It is not different today: there are Pan-Slavic nationalists who hate anything Russian (or
even Polish), are fanatically pro-Western, loudly admire Israel and more quietly the Nazis, their economic
policy is quasi-communist and social views are to the right of a 19th century pope. Quite a mess.
Cities would be
depopulated
of unreliable nationalities and overtime replaced with East Slavs
and other reliable groups
I'm curious, just how exactly you envision the 'depopulation' of the indigenous nationalities to have
taken place? Do you feel that a rather war weary Russia was really in any position to follow through on any
such violent and crazy proposals? As far as 'reliable East Slav groups' we can see today how that ha turned
out in Ukraine. As many others here have pointed out, did Russia really need extra territories? I can't
figure out what motivates such malicious and incoherent ideas? Me thinks that Thorfinnsson should stick to
the calculation of P/E ratios and not to international relations?
Both Reds and anarchists were opposed to the landlords and capitalists, so they had common cause against the
Whites and could cooperate against them in order to prevent White victory. Similarly, both Reds and
non-Russian nationalists were opposed to the Whites who were Russian nationalists. In the Galicians' case,
it was opposition to the Poles who had just conquered their country.
In reality cooperation between Reds and nationalists wasn't as substantial as between anarchists and
Reds.
It wasn't the product of ideological twisting, it was simply a matter of – we hate them more than each
other, so let's cooperate against them, for now.
natural reaction to the messages the Russians were getting from the Eastern Europe in the past 30
years
Possibly, although I would say that messages have been mixed. I have argued with my comprador friends
that full devotion to the Atlanticist West limits one's options, that it is the worst game strategy, and
that burning bridges is a often a bad idea. But rationality is in short supply when salmon buffets call and
that umpteenth trip to a DC 3- star hotel for 'training' is dangled in front of them.
To be fair, Russians for most of the last 25 years were not that different, and would probably do it
again. Human weakness has few boundaries.
No, it was the peak, but it was not typical. 'Typical' is defined as 'faithfully representing'. 1930′s
were an extreme, the 1917-1991 period as a whole was very different. So yes, you are cherry-picking.
How about them 5-year olds in the British mines? Ok, with that?
The war-weary Russian population would have been in need of vast reconstruction. And also the non-Russian
populations of Europe. The workers of these conquered cities would've been very useful for that.
Depopulation isn't a euphemism here for execution or even necessarily deportations. Unlike Hitler and his
gang I don't have fantasies of wiping people out.
Look instead at something like, say, the history of England and the establishment of the Anglo-Saxon
kingdoms. The preceding Brittonic and Romano-British populations weren't eliminated at all. The ruling
classes were replaced, the cities transformed, and overtime the countryside itself.
If Canute the Great had established a real dynasty then today there wouldn't even be an England, but not
because demonic vikings had some demented plot to butcher every Englishman.
As far as I can tell Ukrainians were generally reliable in Tsarist and Soviet times.
And no, Russia didn't need extra territory. I said that myself. But I figured German_reader was curious
about a maximalist proposal.
on
topic, Stalin kinda sucked, what with the random arrests, the Doctors' Affair, the random
arrests, but with all the degeneracy and decivilization going on – rap battles, corruption, gopniks,
RSP-shki, "kowtowing to the West" – you sometimes wish he was back.
I am sure it sounds weird to you, but what Kholmogorov is doing here, is telling the Stalinists that even by
their own criteria their hero is a failure. What they say are his greatest achievements are not so great
after all, even from the Imperial Stalinist POV.
Another way Kholmogorov likes to troll Stalinists is to take a Soviet accomplishment (like going into
space) and credit Nicholas II.
You are getting warmer, it is about unbounded hatred. Any enemy will do. Did they have flow-charts
mapping out the complexity? Or does this kind of well-calculated hatred come to them intuitively?
My intuition tells me that when you mess with people repeatedly, and they end up living worse and worse,
at some point the '
kill them all
' mentality takes over. It happened in Ukraine in 1917-20, in WWII
and after. I hope we can avoid it from happening again. But if Ukraine lives as today in 2020-25 (lousy
living standards), if there are guns everywhere, something could spark the downward spiral again.
Incidentally, I consider that Kaliningrad should be remained to it proper name.
Korolevets?
hem do what they will with Poland would have been particularly amusing. However, it was not
politically realistic, even for a totalitarian system such as the USSR.
The war-weary Russian population would have been in need of vast reconstruction. And also the
non-Russian populations of Europe. The workers of these conquered cities would've been very useful for
that.
The populations of Russia and Eastern Europe had already been depopulated severely due to the savagery of
the war. The returning Soviet soldiers, including the remnant of the remaining population, had their hands
full with rebuilding of what was left of their own settlements, not in a position to 'repopulate' nor
rebuild Eastern Europe without the direct participation of its own indigenous populations. A prolonging of
the war at the expense of millions of more lives, either resettled (to where?) or exterminated, would not
have been in the cards. Besides, what makes you think that Eastern Europe would have fared any better than
it did, with a new race of Russian ubermensch calling all of the shots anyway? History has shown us that
they did a rather lousy job of things in their own country and in those that it did end up controlling.
The populations of Russia and Eastern Europe had already been depopulated severely due to the savagery
of the war. The returning Soviet soldiers, including the remnant of the remaining population had their
hands full with rebuilding of what was left of their own settlements, not in a position to 'repopulate'
nor rebuild Eastern Europe without the direct participation of its own indigenous populations.
Take the conquered women as polygamous wives. Rapid repopulation follows.
A prolonging of the war at the expense of millions of more lives, either resettled (to where?) or
exterminated, would not have been in the cards.
Hence why I suggested making peace in 1943.
Besides, what makes you think that Eastern Europe would have fared any better than it did, with a new
race of Russian ubermensch calling all of the shots anyway? History has shown us that they did a rather
lousy job of things in their own country and in those that it did end up controlling.
Did I say it would've fared better?
My point was that the whole point of
winning
a war is to get something out of it. Something that
everyone aside from the Axis apparently did not understand.
I suppose the French did try to get something out of it, but their demands were ignored by the real
victors.
I think that you assume that things have to make a lot more sense than they have to. The Adeptus Mechanicus
is honestly not a terrible response to overwhelming complexity – which is pretty likely if we ever get to
the point where we have code creating code creating code.
They're dealing with machines they don't fully understand, realize that it has very real "demons"
within(viruses), and the safest way to handle it has just been to keep doing whatever works. Thus the
stories of prayers ending with hitting the "on" switch: the functionality is still there, it has just been
couched in ritual.
At some point, the only realistic way of handling it is ritual – which is very human anyway. I've been
involved in a lot of pretty high tech stuff for awhile and while its not quite religious, the tendency
toward some form of ritual really does gradually take over, even if we tend to call them procedures or "best
practices." There's a lot of weirdness, cultishness and bubble insanity in SV, and this isn't even
considering the more fringe things like transhumanism or immortality organizations.
Seems like a possible outcome of this proposed peace is a future war against Britain and Japan at the same
time. Oddly, Russia might be able to gain America as an ally in such a conflict.
And obviously, heavy reparations to turbocharge Russia's continuing postwar industrialization.
Unrealistically long time horizons. The US did of course unambiguously win the war – it accounted for
something like 50% of world manufacturing production by 1945. It dominated all the markets. In the late
1940s-early 1950s, if it had really wanted to, it could have conquered the entire world and/or instituted a
one world government. (The Soviet nuclear deterrent was not credible until 1955 or so).
To develop
Thorfinnsson's idea of a 1943 Nazi-Soviet peace further (
with the caveat that I do not consider it
politically realistic even for the USSR
):
First off, I do not think the Allies would have made a separate peace with the Nazis. Public opinion
there mattered more, for obvious reasons (democracy), and it's not even clear that the Russians hated the
Germans more (there are accounts of German POWs being treated generously – disgracefully – well, by elderly
babushkas with low national consciousness).
With the Wehrmacht having its hands untied in the East, D-Day would no longer be feasible. However, the
Manhattan Project would not be going away, with the result that a campaign of democidal atomic attrition
against the German population would begin from 1945.
The Nazis are not limp-wristed like the Kaiser or even Hindenburg/Ludendorff and will hold onto power as
German city after city gets wiped off the Earth.
At some point, Germany will be sufficiently weak for an Allied invasion to be possible, especially
considering that there would have been years to prepare for it. Obviously, at this point, the USSR could use
the opportunity to scavenge. Even the East Europeans will be less of a problem at this point, having been
subjected to 2-3x the degree of democide by the Nazis as they were historically. There will at a basic level
be much fewer of them. And they'd hate the Germans even more.
The USSR could have used the armistice with Germany to refocus on science spending and turbocharge the
nuclear program, developing it earlier and having a credible deterrent by 1950 instead of 1955. So no
Operation Unthinkable in principle (IRL, the USSR in reality seriously lucked out on that score!!).
The USSR exported oil, gas, and other raw materials to COMECON members and got inferior, overpriced
manufactured goods in return.
Moreover, in 1946-47, "conquered" East Germans were literally fed at the expense of starving Russians.
50/50= truths/myths. East Germans, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians have similar stories. They always blamed
shortages on the so-called 'exports' to USSR. There were no noticeable Soviet products in stores there but
plenty of Eastern Block products in Soviet Union.
inferior, overpriced manufactured goods in return
How anybody can determine what was overpriced or underpriced in the system of exchange they had? Eastern
European products often were inferior with respect to the West but superior to what was being produced in
the USSR. Muscovites were going crazy when shoes from Czechoslovakia or DDR were sold in few stores. Anybody
lined up for Soviet products in Hungary or Poland. Perhaps for
Sovetskoye Shampanskoye
before the New
Year's Eve
Buses and pharmaceuticals form Hungary, high-tech optical and electronics equipment from DDR, ship
industry in Poland mainly functioning for USSR, more that 50% sulphuric acid used in the USSR was from
Poland, CSFR motor vehicles, for example, passenger cars, trams, motorcycles , lathes, pumps , compressors.
(10 min of googling).
Russian nationalist want empire but they do not know how they are going to run it. Actually they did not
know in the past. They have never managed to culturally dominate people they subjugated except for some
Siberian tribal people. One thing is true, the emotional prerequisite for Russians is to be loved and
appreciated by the people they subjugated. When they see all the evidence to the contrary they display the
spurned lover syndrome and show hurt ego how much they sacrificed for the subjugated and so on. You even
detect it in Uber-rational A. Karlin. Americans have it too but to much lesser extent because they are much
more secure in their beliefs. They do not have to support them by myths only. It suffices to look around and
see how America is powerful and dominant. But the megalomania and some sense of missions are very similar
among Russians and Americans. People from 'lesser' countries are fed up with it. Now they may sympathize
with Russia in hope that counterbalancing of American power would be good but when they hear the nationalist
imperial spiel like that of Kholmogorov they pause and have a second thought and may consider that beefing
up Ukraine might be a very good thing after all and opening border with Mexico and turning the US into a
Latin America might be a good thing after all from the point of view of small countries that want to have
more sovereignty whether to create the ethno-state state or gay utopia or both.
1. Germany was not doing well at the start of 1917. AH and Turkey were doing catastrophically.
2. There is
a difference between the degree of hurt you can expect if you sign an armistice when you're losing (applies
to both Russia and Germany in 1918), and if you capitulate and/or are conquered (France in 1940 lost the
bulk of its core territory, for instance).
Well a good enough number did fight on the White side, thereby explaining why they never lost to Petliura's
forces, which were representative of a completely separatist Ukraine, until Petliura sold out to Pilsudski –
in a move which saw the Galician Ukrainian Army en masse come under the command of the Whites.
and it's not even clear that the Russians hated the Germans more (there are accounts of German POWs
being treated generously – disgracefully – well, by elderly babushkas with low national consciousness)
iirc about 90% of the Germans taken prisoner by the Soviets in 1941-1943 didn't survive the war; it's
also clear that German prisoners were frequently tortured and killed.
Not that I'm complaining, Germans started the war and if anything behaved worse. But you can't seriously
believe that Russians felt
less
hatred for Germans than the British, let alone the Americans did.
That's completely implausible.
There were a few ethnic Ukrainians fighting for the Reds
Another one of your gross understatements. Also keeping in mind that a number of folks from the territory
of Russian Empire Ukraine could qualify as ethnic Ukrainian, but identified differently.
Why should Britain and France have supported the realization of such extreme war aims to the benefit of
Russia? Their alliance with Russia was purely one of convenience, liberal opinion in the West despised
Tsarism. And once the US had entered the war, the whole war was changed into a "crusade for democracy"
anyway, which made such imperialist annexations even more unlikely.
Your idea of Tsarist Russia being unjustly robbed of great territorial gains is fantasy imo. The Bolshevik
takeover was deplorable for many reasons, but not because Russia failed to gobble up even more land.
I think that you assume that things have to make a lot more sense than they have to. The Adeptus
Mechanicus is honestly not a terrible response to overwhelming complexity – which is pretty likely if we
ever get to the point where we have code creating code creating code.
They're dealing with machines they don't fully understand, realize that it has very real "demons"
within(viruses), and the safest way to handle it has just been to keep doing whatever works. Thus the
stories of prayers ending with hitting the "on" switch: the functionality is still there, it has just
been couched in ritual.
At some point, the only realistic way of handling it is ritual – which is very human anyway. I've been
involved in a lot of pretty high tech stuff for awhile and while its not quite religious, the tendency
toward some form of ritual really does gradually take over, even if we tend to call them procedures or
"best practices." There's a lot of weirdness, cultishness and bubble insanity in SV, and this isn't even
considering the more fringe things like transhumanism or immortality organizations.
Atomic physics is a field already near theology.
The idea of future religions integrating such scientific concepts is something beautiful (and there was
already something this in the Soviet Union).
There has to be some actual integration though.
You can't take current priests (low IQ, superstitious people who usually fail maths in school), and put
them next to an abstract scientific concept like the word 'atom' – without making both sides look
ridiculous.
It is like the arrangement most designed to turn them into an object for ridicule from educated people.
(Likewise photos of priests near to specific technology which was entirely created by Soviet trained
people).
It is just like seeing the scene of primitive monkeys from the 2001 film.
"It seems obvious that the ideal combination is both. And the
*late*
Russian Empire was in
fact just that."
I agree with you that ideal combination would indeed be "both".
I am not sure that "late" Russian Empire was just that, though.
Perhaps, I am much too influenced by later Bolshevik propaganda, winners, after all, get the privilege to
write the (hi)story.
But, most likely, the Russian Empire's fate is just another case of that famous "too little too late".
Russians, having the first hand experience of these, epic, failures of both the Empire and Soviet Union,
have both the necessary perspective and hindsight to move on in much better future. We have to see if they
have acquired the wisdom, too. Again, in this respect, and in my opinion, Putin has been doing a "hell of a
job" so far.
Russia was also crumbling even without the Bolsheviks. The Kerensky offensive was a catastrophe. Military
discipline had completely evaporated.
Assuming the Russians had hung in long enough to participate at
Versailles, I doubt they would've gained much. Britain and America would both oppose most of Russia's war
aims. Certainly the idea that President Wilson and David Lloyd George would agree to transfer Constantinople
to Russia is a fantasy.
Probably Russia would've gotten some more sullen Poles to administer, Galicia, and the rest of Armenia.
And of course the reparations which the Germans would largely fail to pay.
Dismemberment of Germany like France and Russia wanted was never going to be tolerated by Britain or
America.
Note that I posit a Cold War emerging between France/UK and Russia after the war.
Absent nuclear weapons, why exactly would that have stayed a Cold war in the 1920s/1930s and not become a
hot one? Russia was seen as a potential rival to British imperial interests well before 1914 and would have
been seen as an even greater threat in your scenario.
However, the great bulk of them relate to economic and political ones inherent to Communism (e.g.
central planning; using your
*own*
population as disposable bodies
Obviously I agree about the defects of communism, but the insinuation that it would be ok to treat other
populations as "disposable bodies" really irritates me what exactly would be your problem with the Nazis
then, apart from the fact that they targeted Russians as a population to be disposed of? The general vibe I
get from this thread is that any moral considerations would be for losers and cucks anyway.
Have to say, these insights into the views of Russian nationalists make me think it's probably better
they're still fairly marginal in Russia and not looked kindly upon by the state.
The "sicko nationalist stuff bordering on fascism" is how statecraft was practiced from the Bronze Age
to Bismarck.
If I understand you correctly, you're actually an American, and therefore I find it amusing that you
subscribe to such 'tribal' worldviews. For all of its faults, 'American exceptionalism' which acts a an
underlying motivator for American imperialism, does not include components of ethnic or national superiority
(imperialism without the 'pure blood' racial component) that I think is a step in the right direction. For
all of the criticism of the inclusion of different ethnicities in the make-up of American society (and I'm
not a proponent of open borders, etc;), I think that a strong case can be made that one of the strengths of
the vibrant, US nation, is its inclusion of all ethnicities. Although it's getting harder and harder,
immigrants are still adding to the overall good of American society. US multiculturalism should not be a
blueprint for all societies throughout the world, but it certainly will continue to slowly influence how
many of the advanced countries of the world model their own societies. I strongly suspect that your own
genetic make-up was formed through the melding of more than just your own German heritage that began over 5
centuries ago? Even Karlin's ethnic pedigree is far from 'pure' Russian, and the both of you don't seem to
be any worse for the resulting cocktail?
Here's the exact quotation, taken from Makhno's three volume autobiography:
One thing alone must bother me in publishing this outline, and that is that it does not come out in
the Ukraine and in the Ukrainian language. The Ukrainian nation is advancing culturally step by step
toward a full definition of its own individual essence and this [the memoirs, F.S.] could be important.
That I cannot publish my writings in the language of my people is not my fault but that of the conditions
in which I find myself.[68]
Russia behaving like any normal European country
*one century ago*
with respect to
war aims – note that Germany would have created a continental empire, and here is the French version
But how many Germans or Frenchmen are still going on about this as if it were relevant today? French and
German nationalists have rather different concerns now, all this talk about territorial annexations and
imperialism looks like out of another universe.
The problem isn't that Russian imperial elites a century ago had extreme ambitions (which backfired
horrendously on them), the problem is that one can get the impression that Kholmogorov and others like him
think like that even today.
This further reinforces my suspicions that Russia should not have any sentimental illusions about
Europeans, even European nationalists.
Self-fulfilling prophecy "They'll hate us anyway, so why not give them a reason?". Hardly a constructive
sentiment.
The "sicko nationalist stuff bordering on fascism" is how statecraft was practiced from the Bronze Age
to Bismarck.
It wasn't though. The borders of France, for example, barely changed for centuries, despite being the
most powerful nation in Europe. Louis XIV's attempt to acquire just Belgium and some German cities united
all of Europe against him. Of course even those conquests which were made were within the framework of
multi-national empires (which often disadvantaged the dominant ethnicity, if anything), rather than
Assyrian-style subjugation.
Events like the Polish Partitions were unique and regarded as horrible.
I suppose this is the American educational system at work.
Americans were mostly white supremacists and frequently Anglo-Saxon supremacists as well for more than three
centuries.
The unforced error of admitting millions upon millions of non-Anglos from the 1840s through WW1
diluted the original American identity beyond the possibility of restoration, but mid-century experiences
(Great Depression, WW2, mass media, space race, etc.) managed to forge a composite American nation.
But then America's elite threw it all in the trash by deciding that white supremacy was getting in the
way of winning the ever important HEARTS AND MINDS of shithole countries like Upper Volta.
America isn't a blueprint for anyone, other than wreckers who want to break nations. It's a warning.
Too bad for Eurocucks that they're our vassal states and thus instead following us like lemmings off the
cliff.
That's not to say that a focus on purity is necessarily desirable. Obviously such a focus in Russia or
America today is ridiculous and counterproductive. But in a country like Sweden or Japan it isn't.
My family's genealogy is pretty well done, but no doubt if you go far enough back you'd be likely to find
something more "exotic" than a German. Danes and Norwegians certainly; and possibly Scots, Dutchmen, and
Walloons. Finns and Slavs less likely but who knows.
iirc about 90% of the Germans taken prisoner by the Soviets in 1941-1943 didn't survive the war
They were high but 90% sounds unlikely though it would be good if someone looked the figures up (though I
dimly recall that might have been the case in the singular aftermath of Stalingrad).
Anyhow, the two situations are not comparable not even on account of the Nazis having been the ones who
attacked as by the fact that the USSR faced a food crisis of its own. A few million died of food shortages
within
the USSR during 1941-43; IIRC, around half of all Gulag deaths ever also occurred during that
period. It was undergoing a low-key famine of its own then (unlike Germany, which was well fed until late
1944). I mean yes, sovcucks will sovcuck, but I suppose even they draw the line at privileging captured
enemy combatants over their "own" people.
I think it was in Beevor's Stalingrad there was some account of a German POW Wehrmacht doctor getting fed
and clothed by Russian peasants to supplement his low rations. Certainly there was very little of that
happening wrt Russian POWs in Germany.
The French themselves developed a concept known as the
NATURAL BORDERS OF FRANCE
, and the "natural"
eastern border was the Rhine. And the Rhineland was
completely
German.
Napoleon succeeded in making
that the eastern French border, but we know how that turned out.
This thread is about Joseph Stalin and thus involves the discussion of
history
.
No doubt French and
German nationalists have views on the two World Wars as well.
Russia has territorial concerns France and Germany do not for the simple reason that the USSR collapsed
and stranded millions of Russians outside Russia's borders. Russia's late historical development also means
we have oddities like two pseudo-Russian nations on its border. The only comparable thing to this in France
or Germany is, what, Corsica?
The situation of Russia today is comparable to that of Germany after 1919, not Germany after 1990.
The French made hardly any progress towards accomplishing that between Richelieu and Napoleon. Louis XIV
only got Alsace and Louis XV Lorraine (part of a negotiated swap) and Corsica , over a span of almost 200
years. They couldn't even add the Spanish/Austrian Netherlands despite occupying them many times.
The revolutionary policy of annexation was obviously new (and not repeated in the 19th century) and ended in
complete failure, with France being restored to pre-Revolutionary borders.
Frederick II's annexation of Silesia was also regarded as exceptional and shocking.
All of this is despite Europe being more at war (and on a large scale) than not during the 17th and 18th
centuries.
What's unique about the Polish Partitions at all?
Nothing like it was repeated (barring the very minor and ultimately irrelevant division of Venice).
Austria and Russia couldn't even ever finish off the Ottoman Empire, despite having the idea since Potemkin
and Catherine the Great.
though I dimly recall that might have been the case in the singular aftermath of Stalingrad
Stalingrad is well known, only about 6000 of the Germans captured there survived; but iirc the same was
true for Germans taken prisoner in 1941/1942 (the numbers weren't that high by WW2 standards, somewhat above
100 000, unfortunately I can't find a reference right now). Anyway, it could of course hardly be expected
that the Soviet Union in 1941/42 would give much priority to caring for German pows, and in any case the
policy changed during the later years of war; I also don't doubt that something like with the elderly
Russian women you mentioned did happen. It just seems implausible to me that Russians could have felt
less
hatred for Germans than the western allies, when the entire character of the war in the east was
different (mostly conventional war in the west vs. highly ideological war in the east that was waged as a
war of extermination and conquest by the Germans).
But how many Germans or Frenchmen are still going on about this as if it were relevant today?
It is a concern in
a historic context
.
I mean, the entire point of the second half of EK's article is that Stalinists say Stalin is good because
he returned the Russian Empire to its older borders; EK points out that it was merely a rectification of
Lenin's sabotage, came at a huge cost, and in the end turned out to be a toxic gift anyway.
What, exactly, is controversial about any of that?
Modern Russian nationalists are quite open about having imperial ambitions on Belorussia, Novorossiya,
and to a lesser extent, Northern Kazakhstan (fast becoming demographically unfeasible) and
Malorossiya/Central Ukraine (has become politically unfeasible since 2014).
You are of course free not to like that, but, whatever. Romanian nationalists have imperial ambitions on
their lost province of Moldova:
(Incidentally, Russian nationalists don't, aside from Transnistria; even though more Moldovans would vote
to join Russia
"... Germany's mighty Wehrmacht, which included the Luftwaffe, was destroyed by Stalin's Soviet Union. The Red Army claims to have destroyed 507 German divisions, 48,000 German tanks, 77,000 German aircraft, and 100 divisions of Axis troops allied to Germany from Italy, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, and Finland. ..."
"... Of Germany's 10 million casualties in WWII, 75% were inflicted by the Red Army. The once mighty Luftwaffe was decimated over Russia. Almost all German military production went to supplying the 1,600 km Eastern Front where Germany's elite forces were ground up in titanic battles like Kursk and Stalingrad that involved millions of soldiers. ..."
On my many walking visits to the vast Normandy battlefield in France, I kept recalling the
ever so wise dictum of Prussia's great monarch, Frederick the Great: 'he who defends
everything, defends nothing.' On this 74 th anniversary of the D-Day landings, it's
well worth recalling the old warrior-king.
Adolf Hitler, a veteran of the infantry, should certainly have known better. Defending the
European coast from Brittany to Norway was an impossibility given Germany's military and
economic weakness in 1944. But he did not understand this. Having so brilliantly overcome
France's Maginot Line fortifications in 1940, Hitler and his High Command repeated the same
strategic and tactical errors as the French only four years later: not having enough reserves
to effectively counter-attack enemy breakthrough forces.
Germany's vaunted Atlantic Wall looked formidable on paper, but it was too long, too thin,
lacked defensive depth and was lacking in adequate reserve forces. The linear Maginot Line
suffered the same failings. America's fortifications protecting Manila and Britain's
'impregnable' fortifications at Singapore also proved worthless. The Japanese merely marched
into their undefended rears.
In 1940, the German Wehrmacht was modern history's supreme fighting machine. But only four
years later, the Wehrmacht was broken. Most Americans, British and Canadians believe that D-Day
was the decisive stroke that ended WWII in Europe. But this is not true.
Germany's mighty Wehrmacht, which included the Luftwaffe, was destroyed by Stalin's
Soviet Union. The Red Army claims to have destroyed 507 German divisions, 48,000 German tanks,
77,000 German aircraft, and 100 divisions of Axis troops allied to Germany from Italy, Romania,
Hungary, Slovakia, and Finland.
Few Americans have ever heard of the Soviet Far East offensive of 1945, a huge operation
that extended from Central Asia to Manchuria and the Pacific. At least 450,000 Japanese
soldiers were killed, wounded or captured by the Red Army, 32% of Japan's total wartime
military losses. The Soviets were poised to invade Japan when the US struck it with two nuclear
weapons.
Of Germany's 10 million casualties in WWII, 75% were inflicted by the Red Army. The once
mighty Luftwaffe was decimated over Russia. Almost all German military production went to
supplying the 1,600 km Eastern Front where Germany's elite forces were ground up in titanic
battles like Kursk and Stalingrad that involved millions of soldiers.
Soviet forces lost upwards of 20 million men. Total US losses, including the Pacific, were
one million. To Marshal Stalin, D-Day, the North African and Italian campaign were merely
diversionary side-shows to tie down Axis forces while the Red Army pushed on to Berlin.
D-Day was without doubt one of the greatest logistical feats of modern military history.
Think of General Motors versus the German warrior Siegfried. For every US tank the Germans
destroyed, ten more arrived. Each German tank was almost irreplaceable. Transporting over one
million men and their heavy equipment across the Channel was a triumph. But who remembers that
Germany crossed the heavily defended Rhine River into France in 1940?
ORDER IT NOW
By June, 1944, German forces at Normandy and along the entire Channel coast had almost no
diesel fuel or gasoline. Their tanks and trucks were immobilized. Allied air power shot up
everything that moved, including a staff car carrying Marshal Erwin Rommel strafed by Canada's
own gallant future aviator general, Richard Rohmer. German units in Normandy were below 40%
combat effectiveness even without their shortages in fuel.
The Germans in France were also very short of ammunition, supplies and communications. Units
could only move by night, and then very slowly. Hitler was reluctant to release armored forces
from his reserves. Massive Allied bombing of Normandy alone killed 15,000 to 20,000 French
civilians and shattered many cities and towns.
Churchill once said, 'you will never know war until you fight Germans.' With no air cover or
fuel and heavily outnumbered, German forces in Normandy managed to mount a stout resistance,
inflicting 209,000 casualties on US, Canadian, British, Free French and allied forces. German
losses were around 200,000.
The most important point of the great invasion is that without it, the Red Army would have
reached Paris and the Channel Ports by the end of 1944, making Stalin the master of all Europe
except Spain. Of course, the Allies could have reached a peace agreement with Germany in 1944,
which Hitler was seeking and Gen. George Patton was rumored to be advocating. But the
German-hating Churchill and left-leaning Roosevelt were too bloody-minded to consider a peace
that would have kept Stalin out of at least some of Eastern Europe.
"The US has a history of sabotage, violation and withdrawal with respect to bilateral and
multilateral international commitments." Iran's Foreign Ministry is urging Pyongyang to
"exercise complete vigilance" when the 34-year-old Kim negotiates with the 71-year-old Real
Estate tycoon who literally wrote a book on making
deals.
Kim Jong-un should watch out for Trump's "America First" agenda and Washington's tendency to
"betray international agreements and unilaterally withdraw from them," said a spokesman for
Iran's Foreign Ministry, Bahram
Qassemi .
"Tehran believes that the North Korean government should be quite vigilant as the US by
nature could not be judged in an optimistic way," Qassemi added.
"The US has a history of sabotage, violation and withdrawal with respect to bilateral and
multilateral international commitments," the spokesman said.
He also pulled out of the 2015 Paris climate deal - and is stoking international tensions
over a current trade war that has caused Britain, Germany and France to reassess the
transatlantic bond. French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire wondered if Europe should continue
to be "vassals who obey decisions taken by the United States."
Trump imposed tariffs on EU steel and aluminum, while Mexico and Canada were hit with
similar tariffs on June 1. He refused to endorse the joint communique during the G7 summit in
Quebec - calling the hose, Canadian PM Justin Trudeau, "very dishonest and weak."
... the Iranians, I'm quite sure, are hinting about this "conference" held more than 10
years ago as reported by the "Saker" ... and this conference was "planning" a war with Iran,
but perhaps the "agreement" with Iran (nullified recently by Trump) got in the way ... and
now, it would be too late for the empire to strike Iran, having Russia, China and, perhaps
other countries, supporting Iran ...
Take a guess: where would the Empire's puppeteers meet to finalize and coordinate their
plans to attack Iran?
Washington? New York? London? NATO HQ in Brussels? Davos?
Nope.
In Herzilia. Never heard of that place?
The Israeli city of Herzliya is named after Theodor Herzl, the father of modern Zionism,
and it has hosted a meeting of the Empire's Who's Who over the past several days at the
yearly conference of the Herzilia Institute for Policy and Stragegy. For a while, Herzilia
truly became the see of the Empire's inner core of heavy hitters.
(Non-Israeli) speakers included:
Jose Maria Aznar Former Prime Minister of Spain, Matthew Bronfman, Chair of the Budget
and Finance Commission, World Jewish Congress, and member of the World Jewish Congress
Steering Committee, Amb. Nicholas Burns US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs,
Prof. Alan Dershowitz Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, Senator
John Edwards Head of the One America Committee and candidate for the 2008 Democratic
presidential nomination, Gordon England US Deputy Secretary of Defense, Dr. Marvin C. Feuer
Director of Policy and Government Affairs, AIPAC, Newt Gingrich Former U.S. Speaker of the
House of Representatives, Rudolph Giuliani, Former Mayor of New York City and candidate for
the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, General the Lord Charles Guthrie of
Craigiebank GCB LVO OBE. Former Chief of the Defense Staff and Chief of the General Staff
of the British Army, Amb. Dr. Richard Haass President of the Council on Foreign Relations,
Stephen E. Herbits Secretary-General of the World Jewish Congress, Amb. Dr. Robert Hunter
President of the Atlantic Treaty Association and Former U.S. Permanent Representative to
NATO. Senior Advisor at the RAND Corporation in Washington (also serves as Chairman of the
Council for a Community of Democracies, Senior International Consultant to Lockheed Martin
Overseas Corporation), Amb. Dr. Richard H. Jones United States Ambassador to Israel (also
served as the Secretary of State's Senior Advisor and Coordinator for Iraq Policy), Col.
(res.) Dr. Eran Lerman Director, Israel and Middle East Office, American Jewish Committee
(also served in the IDF Intelligence Directorate for over 25 years), Christian Leffler
Deputy Chief of Staff of the European Commissioner for External Relations and Director for
Middle East and Southern Mediterranean, European Commission, The Hon. Peter Mackay Canadian
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Senator John McCain U.S. Senator (R) from Arizona and
candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, Dr. Edward L. Morse Chief Energy
Economist, Lehman Brothers, Dr. Rolf Mützenich Member of the German Federal Parliament
(SPD) and member of the Committee on Foreign Policy of the Bundestag (and Board Member of
the "Germany-Iran Society"), Torkel L. Patterson President of Raytheon International, Inc.,
Richard Perle Resident Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (previously served as
Chairman of the Defense Policy Board and Assistant Secretary of Defense for International
Security Policy), Amb. Thomas R. Pickering Former U.S. Under Secretary of State for
Political Affairs (previously served as Senior Vice President of Boeing), Jack Rosen
Chairman of the American Jewish Congress (and member of the Executive Committee of AIPAC
and of the Council on Foreign Relations), Stanley O. Roth Vice President for Asia,
International Relations of the Boeing Company (member of the Council on Foreign Relations),
James Woolsey Former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and many others.
Pretty much the entire Israeli "Defence" establishment (why does nobody call it
"Aggression establishment?) was present too.
Not bad for a "conference"?!
Of course, the main topic at the conference was the upcoming war with Iran. Richard
Perle, the "Prince of Darkness", delivered the keynote and conclusion: "If the Israeli
government comes to the conclusion that it has no choice but to take action, the reaction
of the U.S. will be the belief in the vitality that this action must succeed, even if the
U.S. needs to act with Israel in the current American administration".
Noticed anything funny in his words? It's the "world only superpower" which will have
the "belief" (?) in the action of a local country and, if needed, act with it. Not the
other way around. Makes one wonder which of the two is the world only superpower, does it
not?
Anyway – if anyone has ANY doubts left that the Empire will totally ignore the
will of the American people as expressed in the last election and strike at Iran, this
conference should settle the issue.
North Korea doesn't need this warning. They've experienced it. We promised to build them
non-proliferation reactors in exchange for de-nuclearization in the 90's, but Congress never
funded it.
Yeah, just ask any Native American Indian about the treaties the U.S. had ever signed and
reneged on. From 1778 to 1904, the United States government entered into more than 500
treaties with the Native American tribes; all of these treaties have since been violated in
some way or outright broken by the US government. The list of treaties can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_treaties
.
Iran is very right in what it says, the U.S. is not a country to be trusted. And to think
that the U.S. will be anymore honest with North Korea! It will never happen.
"But thus I counsel you, my friends: Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is
powerful. They are people of a low sort and stock; the hangmen and the bloodhound look out of
their faces. Mistrust all who talk much of their justice! Verily, their souls lack more than
honey. And when they call themselves the good and the just, do not forget that they would be
pharisees, if only they had -- power."
"... In Syria the goal of Israel, the US, Saudis and other Gulf satrapies was the same: eliminate a strong secular regime that keeps the country unified and convert Syria into a bunch of impotent warring Bantustans. ..."
"... Israel wanted to make sure that there is no Syria to fulfill UN SC resolution and retake its Golan Heights, and have a chance of creating additional occupied "security areas" at will; Saudis and allied satrapies wanted to build oil and gas pipelines through Syrian territory without having to ask the permission of real government; the US wanted to promote Israeli and Saudi interests and create Libya-like chaos, making Syrian territory free-for-all playground. ..."
"... Russian intervention ruined those plans. Moreover, it appears that Iranian, Hezbollah, and other forces supporting Assad submitted to overall Russian military planning and possibly command: the war became pretty successful all of a sudden; high-ranking Iranian commanders are no longer killed in Syria on a regular basis. Thus, Russia foiled Israeli, Saudi, and the US plans. But it is important to keep in mind that Putin did this to promote Russian interests in the region, not Iranian or even Syrian. For the most part these interests coincide, but when they don't, Russian actions might look like a "betrayal" of partners, even though Russia cannot betray anyone there, as it did not pledge allegiance to anyone. ..."
"... Russia (both under tsars and in Soviet times) used to put too much effort into a thankless task of saving the world and learned its lesson. ..."
"... Yes, the string of ME wars (Syria is not an exception: remember Somalia, Libya, turmoil in Egypt, Yemen, etc) is part of the global war between the US Empire and Russia, where Russia seeks lasting order and balance of interests, whereas the Empire creates chaos in the hopes of getting new puppets and generally dominating, on behalf of Israel and itself. ..."
"... Yes, the US Empire is on the decline, hence the US policies are becoming more and more hysterical. In essence, no enemy undermines the US in the ME and all over the world more than it undermines itself. That's how all dominant Empires in history ended: by committing suicide. ..."
"... Bottom line is, Putin's Russia fends for itself, entering into long- and short-term deals with anyone (even Erdogan, who is as trustworthy as a used car salesman), as long as those deals serve its interests. ..."
"... Objectively, Russia cannot let the Empire (or Israel, for that matter) vanquish Assad or Iran. However, Putin tries to minimize the costs for Russia, and therefore will avoid direct confrontation with Israel or the Empire as long as possible. That's the whole story, the rest is fantasy. ..."
Let's look at that thesis from a purely logical point of view. First, what were the Israeli
goals initially? As I have explained
it elsewhere , initially the Israelis had the following goals:
Bring down a strong
secular Arab state along with its political structure, armed forces, and security services.
Create total chaos and horror in Syria justifying the creation of a "security zone" by Israel
not only in the Golan but further north. Trigger a civil war in Lebanon by unleashing the
Takfiri crazies against Hezbollah. Let the Takfiris and Hezbollah bleed each other to death,
then create a "security zone", but this time in Lebanon. Prevent the creation of a Shia axis
Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon. Break up Syria along ethnic and religious lines. Create a Kurdistan
which could then be used against Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. Make it possible for Israel to
become the uncontested power broker in the Middle-East and force the KSA, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait
and all others to have to go to Israel for any gas or oil pipeline project. Gradually isolate,
threaten, subvert and eventually attack Iran with a wide regional coalition of forces.
Eliminate all centers of Shia power in the Middle-East.
Now let's stop right here and ask a very simple question: if Putin and Netanyahu were on the
same side all along, what should Putin have done to aid the Israelis? I submit that the obvious
and indisputable answer is: absolutely nothing . By the time the Russian initiated their (very
limited but also very effective) intervention in Syria those plans were well under way towards
full realization!
The undeniable truth is that Putin foiled the initial Israel plan for Syria.
In fact, Hezbollah and Iran had already intervened in Syria and were desperately "plugging
holes" in a collapsing Syrian front. So, if anything, Putin has to be the one to be credited
for forcing the Israelis to give up on their "plan A" and go to plan "B" which I described here and which can be
summarized as follows:
Step one, use your propaganda machine and infiltrated agents to re-start the myth about an
Iranian military nuclear program. ( ) If Trump says that the JCPOA is a terrible deal, then
this is so. Hey, we are living in the "post-Skripal" and "post-Douma" era – if some
Anglo (or Jewish) leaders say "highly likely" then it behooves everybody to show instant
"solidarity" lest they are accused of "anti-Semitism" or "fringe conspiracy theories" (you
know the drill). So step one is the re-ignition ex nihilo of the Iranian military nuclear
program canard. Step two is to declare that Israel is "existentially threatened" and ( ) and
let the dumb Americans fight the Iranians.
As I have explained it in great detail
here , Russia does not have any moral obligation to protect anybody anywhere, not in the
Middle-East and most definitely not Syria and/or Iran. I have also explained in great detail
here
why Putin also has a lot of pragmatic internal reasons for not getting Russia involved in a
major war in the Middle-East.
Finally, as I have explained here , the Israelis
are clearly baiting Iran by striking Iranian (or, more accurately, Iranian-linked or
Iranian-supported) targets in Syria. They hope that Iran's patience will come to an end and
that the Iranians will retaliate with enough firepower to justify not only an attack on
(relatively low value) Iranian-linked targets in Syria but on Iran proper, thus leading to a
guaranteed Iranian retaliation on Israel and The Big Prize: a massive US attack on Iran.
Now let's look at Russian actions once again. If Putin was "on the same side with Netanyahu
all along", he would be helping the Israelis do what they are doing, that is baiting the
Iranians, right? But what did Putin really do?
It all began with a statement by Foreign Minister Lavrov who declared that all foreign
forces must leave Syria. It is my understanding that no direct quote exists from Lavrov's
initial statement, only interpreted paraphrases . Lavrov also made some
clarifying comments later, like
this one . But let's not get bogged down in trying to decide which was an off-the-cuff
comment and which one was "official", but let us begin by noticing this: even before Lavrov's
comment on "all foreign forces" the same Lavrov also said that "
all US forces must leave Syria after the defeat of the terrorist forces ". May I also
remind everybody here that Israel has been illegally occupying the Syrian Golan for years and
that the IDF exactly fits into the definition of "foreign force in Syria"? It gets better,
according to the Syrians and, frankly according to common sense and international law,
the Syrians say that all foreign
forces must leave Syria except those legally requested to stay by the Syrian government . So
when the Russians say that all foreign forces
including Iranians (assuming Lavrov really said that) must leave Syria they have absolutely
no legal or other authority to impose that, short of a UNSC Resolution endorsing that demand.
Considering that the Israelis and the USA don't give a damn about international law or the
UNSC, we might even see a day when such a resolution is passed, enforced on the Iranians only,
and ignored by the Israelis. The trick here is that in reality there are rather few Iranian
"forces" in Syria. There are many more "advisors" (which would not be considered a "force") and
many more pro-Iranian forces which are not really "Iranian" at all. There is also Hezbollah,
but Hezbollah
is not going nowhere , and they are Lebanese, not Iranian anyway. No doubt the Israelis
would claim that Hezbollah is an "Iranian force" but that is basically nonsense. And just to
add to the confusion, the Russians are now being cute and saying: "
of course, the withdrawal of all non-Syrian forces must be carried out on a mutual basis, this
should be a two-way street ". I suggest that we can stop listing all the possible
paraphrases and interpretations and agree that the Russians have created a holy (or unholy)
mess with their statements. In fact, I would even submit that, what appears to be a holy (or
unholy) mess, is a verydeliberate and crafty ambiguity .
According to numerous Russian sources, all this rhetoric is about the southern part of Syria
and the line of contact (it ain't a border legally speaking) between Syria and Israel. The
deals seem to be this: the pro-Iranian forces and Hezbollah get out of the south, and in
exchange, the Israelis let the Syrians, backed by Russian airpower and "advisors" regain
control of southern Syria but without any attempts to push the Israelis out of the Golan which
they illegally occupy. Needless to say, the
Syrians are also insisting that as part of the deal, US forces in southern Syria must pack
and leave. But, frankly, unless the US plans to have tiny (and useless) US enclaves inside
Syrian controlled territory I don't see the point of them staying. Not only that, but the
Jordanians seem to
be part of this deal too. And here is the best part: there is some pretty good evidence
that Hezbollah
and Iran also are part of the deal . And, guess what?
So are the Turks .
This sure looks like some kind of major regional deal has been hammered out by the Russians.
And if that is really the case, then that would also explain the tense denials in
Israel and
Iran , followed by
more confirmations (also
here ) And, just to make things even more confused, we now have Stoltenberg (of all
people!) saying that NATO
would not assist Israel in case of an Iranian attack which, considering that the NATO
Secretary General has no power, that NATO is about 80%+ made up of the USA and that the
US now has permanent a "tripwire" force inside Israel and could claim to be under attack,
is utter nonsense, but still amusing to note as "adding to the chaos".
If all this looks to you like evidence for the thesis that "Putin and Netanyahu were on the
same side all along", then I wonder what it would take to convince you otherwise because to me
this looks like one of three things:
some kind of major regional deal has been made or some
kind of major regional deal is in the process of being hammered out or some kind of major
regional deal has been made but nobody trusts anybody else and everybody wants to make that
deal better for itself
and, of course, everybody wants to save face by either denying it all or declaring victory,
especially the AngloZionists.
So let's ask the key question: is there any evidence at all that Putin and/or Assad is/are
"ditching Iran"?
Away from the realm of declarations and statements and back to the world
Let's begin with a simple question: What does Iran want above all else?
I submit that the overwhelming number one priority of Iran is to avoid a massive US
attack on Iran.
Not because of a non-existing Iranian nuclear program threatening Israel, but because Iran
offers a most successful, and therefore dangerously competing, alternative civilizational model
to both the AngloZionist Empire and the Saudi-Wahabi version of Islam. Furthermore, unlike
(alas!) Russia, Iran dares to openly commit the "crime of crimes", that is, to publicly
denounce Israel as a genocidal, racist state whose policies are an affront to all of civilized
mankind. Finally, Iran (again unlike Russia, alas!) is a truly sovereign state which has
successfully dealt with its 5th columnists and which is not in the iron claws of IMF/WB/WTO/etc
types (I wrote about that last week so I
won't repeat it here).
I also submit that Iran also has as a top priority to support all the oppressed people of
the Middle-East. Resisting oppression and injustice is a Quranic imperative and I believe that
in its Iranian interpretation this also extends to non-Shia Sunnis and even Christians
and Jews, but since I know that this will trigger all sorts of angry accusations of being naive
(or even a Shia propagandist) I will concede that helping the oppressed Shia in the region is
probably more important to the Iranian leaders than helping all the other oppressed. In secular
terms, this means that Iran will try to protect and assist the Shia in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon
and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, considering the amazing
mercy shown by Hezbollah to the SLA in southern Lebanon in 2000, and the fact that
currently, the Syrian security forces are acting with utmost restraint in the parts of Syria
which have accepted the Russian deal (this even has some Russian analysts outright worried ) I
think that Iranian-backed forces liberating Syria from Daesh are the best thing which anybody
could hope for.
"My personal evaluation is that Putin is playing a very complex and potentially dangerous
game. He is trying to trick not one, but many "devils", all at the same time." Of course you
knew that all along, didn't you? Welcome back! i truly really mean that.
Saker, your argument hinges on 2 premises:
1. Russia is not ethically obliged to defend either Syria or Iran
2. Putin is playing a very clever, complex, dangerous game "trying to trick not one, but many
"devils", all at the same time."
Re 1: the whole 'game' in Syria and the wider ME is not about noble obligations, it is all
about power and influence. Russia has tried to portray itself as the new power broker,
believing that defeating Daesh with the help of Iran, Hezbollah and the SAA was enough to
attain that status. Russia seems to believe it can stay on the sidelines concerning the
ZioNazi statelet's & the US's incessant provocations of Syria and Iran; Russia also
stayed on the sidelines when the FUKUS trio bombed Syria over the fake chemical attack.
Unfortunately for Russia, that sideline position has only encouraged, and continues to
encourage, the muderous, psychopathic war criminals in Washington and Jerusalem to ever more
boldness because they see Russia's position as weakness. And that increasing boldness is
risking a major unplanned confrontation that puts humanity in danger. So Russia DOES have an
ethical obligation, if not to its 2 allies (which I do not agree with) then certainly to the
world.
As for your 2nd premise, unless you have access to Putin's inner circle and are privy to
his thinking, it is completely speculative, seemingly given in by an urge to defend Putin's
inaction.
Incidentally, in 2011 Russia/Putin promised Assad those S300′s, and basically
reneged on that (signed?) promise to its ally? Ethically this is unacceptable, no matter how
you spin it.
Perhaps not one of Saker's better articles. But core point has value: there is a deal.
Putin
is
dealing with a soggy bag of spitting devils.
I dont discount the possibility of war: especially if the zionist can manufacture appropriate
circumstances. However, ulimately Iran is (relatively) a side show.
The Empire is still committed to sanctions/propaganda/
diplomatic/political means to its ultimate goals of regime change in Russia, followed by
further intensified action against an isolated China.
Yes, the Zionist ghost in the Empire Golom itches to lash out militarily. But as we know,
they both like enemies such as Gaza, or Iraq, Libya & Syria until the Russians said
"enough !". They like enemies sufficiently small as to match their courage & moral vision
.
As a Russian I thought this text is pretty funny, because it reminded me of a classic
debate going on the Russian internet: "Путин
слил" (Putin sold out) vs "Путин
хитрый план" (this is all part of
an eleborate 3-D chess combination). Clearly, Saker is inclined towards the "3-D chess"
explanation.
It wasn't a "defensive war". Leaving out the fact that Israel's existence itself is not
entirely legitimate as the Arabs never recognised the UN mandated partition of Palestine, it
was Israel that started the war of 1967 by attacking Egypt, Syria's ally.
Russians are not conducting ethnic cleansing in Crimea or Donbass, herding native
population into reservations like Gaza, killing those, who try to escape – you know,
all these things that Israel is doing.
Thank you. Your insightful comment has somehow transformed my initial experience from an
exercise in futile reading into a significant and thoughtful -- nope! Sorry. This is a
repeat offence. 4,000 words of meandering foolishness is unredeemable. The Saker's writing,
in nearly every case, and over a long period of time, shows him to be a disingenuous hack who
delivers bulky loads of zero.
The Empire's propaganda machine denies and obfuscates this, and those who believe it don't
see i"
A NYT scribe was quoted by Globalresearch and ?Huffingtonpost saying :"Americans eagerly
and passionately want to believe something ,something , coming out of government " just to
feel good and and confident.
Personally, I hate unsolicited advice, but I am tempted to give it to the Saker: read what
you wrote at least once and edit in the process, so that your writing does not feel like a
stream of consciousness, where one has to fish for pearls of meaning in the muddy waters of
endless text. You are not a politician, your job is not to generate content-free verbal
diarrhea.
Back to substance. In Syria the goal of Israel, the US, Saudis and other Gulf
satrapies was the same: eliminate a strong secular regime that keeps the country unified and
convert Syria into a bunch of impotent warring Bantustans.
Israel wanted to make sure that there is no Syria to fulfill UN SC resolution and
retake its Golan Heights, and have a chance of creating additional occupied "security areas"
at will; Saudis and allied satrapies wanted to build oil and gas pipelines through Syrian
territory without having to ask the permission of real government; the US wanted to promote
Israeli and Saudi interests and create Libya-like chaos, making Syrian territory free-for-all
playground.
Russian intervention ruined those plans. Moreover, it appears that Iranian, Hezbollah,
and other forces supporting Assad submitted to overall Russian military planning and possibly
command: the war became pretty successful all of a sudden; high-ranking Iranian commanders
are no longer killed in Syria on a regular basis. Thus, Russia foiled Israeli, Saudi, and the
US plans. But it is important to keep in mind that Putin did this to promote Russian
interests in the region, not Iranian or even Syrian. For the most part these interests
coincide, but when they don't, Russian actions might look like a "betrayal" of partners, even
though Russia cannot betray anyone there, as it did not pledge allegiance to anyone.
There is no moral dimension to the events: Putin is purely pragmatic, rational rather than
moral. Russia (both under tsars and in Soviet times) used to put too much effort into a
thankless task of saving the world and learned its lesson.
Yes, the string of ME wars (Syria is not an exception: remember Somalia, Libya,
turmoil in Egypt, Yemen, etc) is part of the global war between the US Empire and Russia,
where Russia seeks lasting order and balance of interests, whereas the Empire creates chaos
in the hopes of getting new puppets and generally dominating, on behalf of Israel and
itself.
Yes, the US Empire is on the decline, hence the US policies are becoming more and more
hysterical. In essence, no enemy undermines the US in the ME and all over the world more than
it undermines itself. That's how all dominant Empires in history ended: by committing
suicide.
Bottom line is, Putin's Russia fends for itself, entering into long- and short-term
deals with anyone (even Erdogan, who is as trustworthy as a used car salesman), as long as
those deals serve its interests.
Objectively, Russia cannot let the Empire (or Israel, for that matter) vanquish Assad
or Iran. However, Putin tries to minimize the costs for Russia, and therefore will avoid
direct confrontation with Israel or the Empire as long as possible. That's the whole story,
the rest is fantasy.
Well, I know some history, about 100 times more than an average US citizen. Stalin's USSR
pushed for the creation of Israel and then supplied it (via satellites) with weapons to fight
Arab neighbors. Later the USSR took a strong pro-Arab anti-Israeli position. The position of
Yeltsin's Russia did not matter, as the regime was run by traitors dismantling and looting
everything. Putin's Russia is quite neutral, in a sense that Putin does not want to fight
Israel, but does not want to be seen as her friend, either. Israeli intelligence considers
Russia an unfriendly country, even though Russia pays pensions to Russian Jews who emigrated
to Israel, including military pensions to WWII vets. Bibi carefully avoids any confrontation
with Russia, even though Putin's interference in Syria thwarted Israeli goal of turning it
into something like Somalia or Libya.
My point is, Putin acts out of self-interest, avoiding direct confrontations wherever
possible, but firmly moving towards his goals. That includes his dealings with Syria, Israel,
Turkey, Iran, China, North Korea, and would include dealings with Devil himself, if such a
personage existed. Nothing personal, strictly business. That's what the Saker studiously
refuses to see.
Well, Putin maintains close relations with Assad government in Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, and
Turkey, all of which Israel considers foes. He is not particularly friendly with the US and
many of its vassals who provide political cover for Israeli crimes. However, Putin does not
want to be seen as a foe of Israel, either. He talks to Netanyahu on the regular basis and
likely has some situational deals with Israel. At least Israel studiously avoids any
confrontations with Russian military forces in Syria. Russia reciprocates by avoiding direct
confrontations with Israeli forces, even when they clearly break international law. You can
call it prudent policy or a bargain with the Devil, depending on your preferences.
Putin blunted Imperial aggression for the first time since Washington's defeat in Vietnam.
How this can be construed as cooperation with Israel is a mystery.
Saker defends Putin and Russia. That's why his detractors (Zionist scum) hate him. Why are
Zionist trolls working to discredit Saker if Putin is one of them?
I too found this piece difficult to read. I think because is takes so long to refute a
proposition that is so obviously false.
Israel has had a covert and now an overt role in the war in Syria, from the beginning. It
is laughable nonsense to proclaim they have protected Assad. They have provided material
support and medical aid to injured jihadists so they can return to Syria and continue their
mass murder.
I don't think this is really too complicated. Now that the war in Syria is winding down and
legitimate Russian interests have been secured (much praise goes to them for as well saving
the Syrian people from Zio-American terror), we are starting to see that Russian and Iranian
interests are diverging. Since they were never identical, this should not be too surprising.
The fact is, the relationship between Russia and Israel is complicated, and Russia has no
problem with a Zionist state in the Middle East. Whatever one may think of Israel, it's
presence/existence does not conflict with Russian interests. If Iran wishes to escalate the
fighting to attack Israel, it should not expect Russian sympathy on the matter. (And Assad's
government should know when to declare victory and go home.)
You really think Putin does not know that the tail is wagging the dog, the dog with the
neocons and AEI, that want the USA to conquer the whole world militarily ?
You obviously did not read the article, or it does not fit your prejudices.
A ME without an Israel would solve a lot, a USA without AIPAC and whatever could solve many
remaining problems.
The headlines in Israeli newspapers about the closeness between Putin and Bibi may be a
clever ploy to hide just the opposite, there's no deal between Russia and Israel, the latter
can offer the former little as you say yourself.
The best option for Putin would be to stick with Iran, get the country into the Chinese
run Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (both China and Russia have hinted as such), this will
boosts the organisation clout, and deter the US from attacking Iran.
I always look forward to The Saker's writing. He's a zealot, to be sure, and he needs a
proofreader / editor. But his intelligence, moral decency, desire to educate, and dedication
to what he thinks is right, are all plain to see.
Israel is the primary source of instability in the ME, and Organized Jewry is the driving
force behind much global chaos and subversion, no doubt. Putin unquestionably knows this. (He
has publicly spoken about the Jewish role in the early Bolshevik state, and his purge of the
worst Jewish oligarchs engendered much of the insane hostility towards him by the neocons
etc. Curiously he did pass a law banning Holocaust denial, however.)
However these twin malefactors will not go away quietly, and Putin/Russia knows this as
well. Organized Jewry and their brain-dead Bible-thumper bots in America may want global
conflagration, but Russia does not so they are properly proceeding with caution. They are
under no obligation to help the Iranians expand the fighting.
Yes, I disagree with the proposition that Russia doesn't have to defend Iran, which
borders Russia and has ethnic Russians. In fact, Putin cannot allow the Anglo-Zionists to
control Iran, because that would threaten Russia in several ways. Putin would have to go all
in to prevent a successful attack on Iran.
Iran is NOT "escalating" anything, nor is it trying to attack Israel. This is a red
herring being used against Iran much like the nuclear file BS. Be careful with the
anti-Iranian propaganda. If there is a country more demonized than Russia, it is surely
Iran.
Direct Iranian military presence in Syria is relatively small, even if Iranian backed
militias(many of them Syrian) are included. Iran has a defense pact with Syria and has been
invited by the Syrian government to help just like Russia.
The Iranian support is often overlooked but it has been crucial to hold and defeat the
mercenaries/jihadists backed by the ZUSA led coalition.
Mark Sleboda, during a RT CrossTalk debate, stated clearly that without Iran, ISIS and Al
Qaeda could not have been defeated in Iraq and Syria.
As for Syria, I really don't understand your statement. The Syrians will seek, and rightly
so, to restore all of their country.
Obviously there are differences within the Syrian-Iranian-Russian alliance in Syria, and
Zionist officials & propaganda will try exploit any rifts I doubt they'll succeed, though
they may use their media to pretend they achieved something
B of MoA is very much pro-Russia, a retired German army officer, have a look at:
Syria – Israel Falsely Claims Iran Pull-Back Deal With Russia – Again
Israel loves to pretend that it is an important country which can move other governments
to do its bidding.
1. Russia has no way to keep Iran out of Syria or to tell Iranian advisors and militia
where to go or not to go. The Syrian government will not do away with its best ally, Iran,
which came to its help before Russia came in and will continue to help while Russia lowers
its presence in the conflict. Were Russia to play "either-or" hardball with the Syrian
government the decision would likely be against Russia and for Iran.
2. Iran already announced that it will not take part in the upcoming Daraa operation in
southwest Syria.
Also important to understand the situation; RUSSIA HAS REACHED THE END OF THE ROAD IN
SYRIA, SO DAMASCUS WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT ON WITH ITS REMAINING ALLIES
Elijah J Magnier
"As for the Israelis, they would make Satan himself look honest and are ideologically
incapable of honesty (or even decency)."
I would have written "naturally" rather than "ideologically", but notwithstanding, the
Saker knows it, I know it, and I have a hard time believing that Putin doesn't know it.
Actually, I believe everybody knows it, some just dare not say it or have more interest in
pretending, that's all. The corollary is that you can never trust a single word an Israeli
utters. It's like the punch line of an old Serbian joke about a monk tempted by the devil to
break his fast only to get exposed before his fellow monks. When the monk asks "but why?", as
there seems to be no gain for the devil, he's answered "I never tell the truth".
Unlike the Saker, I don't see this turning into a hot war, which doesn't mean that I see
the Anglo-Zionist imperialists getting along with Russia. They will go more and more into
hysterics mode but that is a sign of impotence. If I were Russian, I would just let the USA
bleed its taxpayers white through defence spending, knowing that the psychopaths in New York,
Washington DC, Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem are crazy but not suicidal. I believe they have
realised that a hot war against Russia is now unwinnable. They had a window of opportunity
that is now closed.
It seems to me that the Saker calls Russian Jews "zionists" just in order to avoid calling
them Jews. As I wrote before, Russian Jews don't descend from Judea, they descend from
Khazars, a tribe originating from the shores of the Black Sea that espoused Judaism in the
early Middle Age. Russia is their homeland, not Israel, and though Judaism plays a big role
in why they feel entitled, they want to rule Russia for the sake of ruling Russia, not for
Israel, and not because they are USA's 5th column. The bolsheviks didn't give a damn about
Israel. They wanted Russia. And they wanted the whole world incidentally. Confusing the
Russian "Jewish problem" to Zionism is a huge mistake. It is a domestic problem, not a
foreign imported one. With or without Israel, it remains the same, unlike the American
"Jewish problem". If you remove Russia-obsessed Jews and hard-core Zionists from the picture,
the remainder of USA Jews actually contribute to the richness of American society.
All that said, though the whole article often slides from fact-based analysis into wishful
thinking, I generally agree that the Russian approach is the only possible sensible one.
Putin is guided by the principle that "doing no harm" does indeed less harm than inflicting
harm to punish harm. So far, it works, even though a lot of people are frustrated by what
they perceive as bad guys' impunity. Refusing to punish the bad guys because it would entail
too much "collateral damage" is a sign of humanity, not weakness. I praise Putin for it.
So who is the biggest threat to the Shia and, I would argue, to all the people of the
Middle-East? The Takfiris of Daesh of course.
This is quite a non-sequitor after listing Israel's goals in the region; as we all know,
Daesh, Alqueda, etc. are the tools. They cannot supply themselves, they only achieve success
if they are sponsored by other powers, as they have been all along.
The truth is that Israel, unlike Iran, has very little to offer Putin or Russia.
What about calling off the Empire from their necks?
(I generally agree with 90% of the analysis, 100% of the tone and direction, but every
week or so there seems to be one or two statements that are just glaringly inconsistent in
the Saker's articles, like he was fulfilling some contractual obligation or something)
You are right of course, I did not mean to give that impression, Iran is definitely
unfairly maligned. However, if they continue supporting Hezbollah, they should not be
surprised if Israel works out a deal with Russia to strike these assets (while duplicitously
hitting Syrian government forces), because this is simply not Russia's particular fight. The
only question would be how far Israel would push the envelope, and what Russia would do
then.
After my departure from government in part over my disagreement with the Iraq War, this
willingness to place the United States in peril to serve the interests of a foreign country
began to bother me, and there is no country that manipulates the U.S. government better or more
persistently than Israel. I gradually became involved with those who were pushing back against
the Israel Lobby, though it was not generally referred to in those terms before Stephen Walt
and John Mearsheimer produced their seminal work The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign
Policy in 2006.
It does not take a genius to figure out that the United States is deeply involved in a
series of seemingly endless wars pitting it against predominantly Muslim nations even though
Washington has no vital interests at stake in places like Syria, Libya and Iraq. Who is driving
the process and benefiting? Israel is clearly the intended beneficiary of a coordinated effort
mounted by more than 600 Jewish organizations in the U.S. that have at least as part of their
programs the promotion and protection of Israel. Ironically, organizations that promote the
interests of a foreign government are supposed to be registered under the Foreign Agents
Registration Act of 1938 (FARA) but not a single pro-Israel organization has ever done so nor
even been seriously challenged on the issue, a tribute to their power in dealing with the
federal government.
Those who are in the drivers' seat of the Israel promotion process are what some would
describe as the Israel Lobby but which I would prefer to call a subset of the Jewish Lobby,
which in itself is supported by something I would designate Jewish Power, an aggregate of
Jewish money, control over key aspects of the media and entertainment industries plus easy
access to corrupted politicians desirous of positive press and campaign donations. This
penetration and control of the public discourse has resulted in the creation of what I would
refer to as the official "Israel narrative," in which Israel, which claims perpetual
victimhood, is reflexively referred to as "the only democracy in the Middle East" and
"Washington's closest ally and friend," assertions that are completely false but which have
been aggressively and successfully promoted to shape how Americans view the Israeli-Arab
conflict. Palestinians resisting the Israeli occupation are invariably described as
"terrorists" both in the U.S. and Israel.
While the Israeli lobby has been a major influence in pushing America in a militaristic
direction, it has mostly been pushing against an open door. The US has been militarily
expansionist and imperialist since its inception while always finding a way to blame its
enemies. The most hilarious recent example of this was Trump blaming Canada (yes, Canada!)
for burning the White House in the war of 1812. In reality of course, it was the US which
invaded Canada and burned some regional government buildings there. The war party in the US
is an unholy alliance of Christian, Jewish and secular Zionists and American exceptionalists.
Many Jews and Christians are opposed to these militaristic policies, but unfortunately they
are without political influence.
Dr. Giraldi this is much more difficult than it seems. I have "friends" who have retired from
the CIA (if that is possible) and they tell me that there are at least two factions in the
CIA Hierarchy that are extremely pro Israel. Would you care to comment on this or is this
just their imagination?
Fifty-one years ago today Israeli fighter aircraft and torpedo boats tried to sink the USS
Liberty, a surveillance ship stationed off the coast of Egypt during Israel's attack on Egypt
and Syria. Israel was unable to sink the USS Liberty, but did manage to kill or wound almost
the entire crew. Thirty-four Americans were killed and 174 were wounded.
There are two explanations for the attack. As Washington has blocked every attempt at an
investigation, we do not know which one is correct. Perhaps both are the reasons for the
attack.
One is that Israel, which was committing a war crime by mass execution of Egyptian prisoners
of war, was fearful that the USS Liberty's surveillance had discovered the crime. The other is
that Israel fearing an unfavorable outcome of the war that Israel had initiated intended to
blame the attack on the USS Liberty on Egypt, thus bringing the US into the war on Israel's
side.
I have written about this attack a number of times, having interiewed sailors and officers
on board during the attack, an officer, Captain Ward Boston, who was ordered to produce a
cover-up, and Admiral Tom Moorer, former Chief of Naval Operations and Chairman of the US Joint
Chiefs of Staff. Frustrated at Washington's coverup, indeed, Washington's complicity in the
crime, upon retirement Admiral Moorer convened the Moorer Commission to set the record
straight.
The Moorer Commission concluded:
" That there is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt
to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.
"That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the US Navy
from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support
while the ship was under attack.
"That surviving crew members were threatened with 'court-martial, imprisonment or worse'
if they exposed the truth; and [the survivors] were abandoned by their own government.
"That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history.
"That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing
to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation."
You can find my articles on my website or online as well as the proceedings of the Moorer
Commission.
The most disturbing thing about the Israeli attack is that when the Liberty's distress
signal reached the fleet commander and US Navy fighters were launched to drive off the Israeli
attackers, the White House ordered the fleet commander to recall the American jets. Frustrated
by his inability to defend the US Navy from murderous assault, the fleet commander used open
radio to scare off the Israelis by announcing that US fighters were on their way to the
Liberty's rescue. This caused the Israelis to immediately call off the attack and to issue an
apology that it had mistaken the USS Liberty, which was flying a massive American flag and had
USS Liberty in tall letters, as an Egyptian ship.
ORDER IT NOW
On orders from the White House, Admiral McCain, Senator McCain's father, ordered a cover up.
The Liberty's crew were ordered not to mention the event. It was two decades before one of the
Liberty's officers, then retired, wrote the story. American taxpayers, who were shelling out
billions of dollars from their desperate needs every year to enable Israel to purchase the US
government with the billions of dollars hapless Americans are forced to hand over to Israel,
knew nothing about the attack for 20 years.
If 51 years ago Israel had such power over the US government that the White House itself
refused to protect an American ship from Israeli attack and then covered up the attack in order
to give Israel a free pass, just imagine how much more control Israel has achieved over the US
government in the past half century. If you have any doubt that Israel rules America, just look
at Nikki Haley's subservience to Israel in the UN as US ambassador, or at President Trump
himself defying the entire world and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Just look at Trump, on
Israel's orders, unilaterally disregarding the Iranian nuclear agreement signed by President
Obama and upheld by all other signatories, in the hopes of creating a pretext for an American
attack on Iran that serves only Israel's interest. Just look at the extraordinary groveling at
Israel's feet of the entire US Senate and House of Representatives who unanimously pass Israel
Lobby sponsored laws and resolutions. Just look at the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN,
National Public Radio, MSNBC, and so on who serve as megaphones for the voice of Israel.
Every American, especially those superpatriots who wrap themselves in the flag, should be
totally ashamed that their government is nothing but an adjunct of Israel. (Republished from
PaulCraigRoberts.org
by permission of author or representative)
Trump knows his prostrate allies. He moralizes: 'the more you screw them the better they
like it'!
That's the Trump doctrine. And its not only his personal views: the stock market loves it;
the Silicon billionaires and the manufacturers are cashing in on protection at home and free
markets overseas
Nowhere in the Western world is truth respected. Even universities are imposing censorship
and speech control. Governments are shutting down, and will eventually criminalize, all
explanations that differ from official ones. The Western world no longer has a print and TV
media. In its place there is a propaganda ministry for the ruling elite.
Whistleblowers are prosecuted and imprisoned despite their protection by federal statue. The
US Department of Justice is a Department of Injustice. It has been a long time since any
justice flowed from the DOJ.
The total corruption of the print and TV media led to the rise of Intermet media such as
Wikileaks, led by Julian Assange, a prisoner since 2012.
Assange is an Australian and Ecuadorian citizen. He is not an American citizen. Yet US
politicians and media claim that he is guilty of treason because he published official
documents leaked to Wikileaks that prove the duplicity and criminality of the US
government.
It is strictly impossible for a non-citizen to be guilty of treason. It is strickly
impossible under the US Constitution for the reporting of facts to be spying. The function of
the media is to expose and to hold accountable the government. This function is no longer
performed by the Western print and TV media.
Washington wants revenge and is determined to get it. If Assange were as corrupt at the New
York Times, Washington Post, CNN, National Public Radio, MSNBC, etc., he would have reported
the leaker to Washington, not published the information, and retired as a multi-millionaire
with Washington's thanks. However, unfortunately for Assange, he had integrity.
Integrity today in the Western world has no value. You cannot find integrity in the
government, in the global corporations, in the universities and schools, and most certainly not
in the media.
After leaving Assange, an Australian citizen, to Washington's mercy since 2012, belated
pro-Assange protests in Australia forced the US vassal state to come to Assange's aid before
the new corrupt president of Ecuador sells him to Washington for muilti-millons of dollars by
revoking his asylum.
When the story was printed in the Sydney Morning Herald, the incompetent or brainwashed, or
bought-and-paid-for journalist, Nick Miller, wrote:
"Assange entered the embassy on June 19, 2012, after he had exhausted his appeals against an
extradition order to go to Sweden to face rape and sexual assault allegations.
Nick Miller has committed libel, whether from his ignorance or from pay.
There was no extradition order from Sweden for Assange to be returned to Sweden "to face
rape and sexual assault allegations." No such charges were issued by the Swedish prosecutorial
office, and no such charges were made by the women involved.
The case had already been closed by the Swedish prosecutorial office, and the two women who
willingly shared their beds with Assange did not press any charges. The Swedish female
prosecutor, who many suspect reopened the closed case at the urging of Washington, wrote in the
extradition request that she only wanted Assange for questioning.
Normally, extraditions are not granted for questioning. There has to be actual criminal
charges, and there were no such charges against Assange. However, under pressure from
Washington, a corrupt UK court granted, perhaps for the first time in history, extradition for
questioning.
Assange's attorneys understood that if Assange left his embassy refuge and travelled to
Sweden to be questioned, there was nothing to prevent Sweden from turning him over to
Washington to be tortured, as Washington does, into confession of some crime.
Consequently, Assange's attorneys told the Swedish female prosecutor, a person who seems
shortchanged on integrity, that Assange would be available for questioning in his place of
refuge. The prosecutor, showing her hand, refused to question Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy
in London. After refusing for many months while the presstitutes blackened Assange's repution
as a "rapist who was escaping justice," the sort of ignorant nonsense that Nick Miller writes,
the prosecutor consented to go to London to interview Assange.
As nothing incriminating emerged from the questioning and as neither of the women claimed
that they were raped, the female prosecutorclosed the case for the second time. But the corrupt
British would not release Assange. They claimed that he was wanted for jumping bail, an
argument that made no sense as the charge for his arrest had been dismissed. But Washington
insisted, and British "justice" again served Washington instead of justice.
The basis of the political assault on Assange came from the concern of one of his willing
sex partners that he had not used a condum. With everyone worried crazy about HIV and Aids, the
woman inquired at a Swedish public office if Assange could be required to take a HIV/Aids test.
Assange, not realizing his vulnerability, apparently refused the test, and thus opened himself
to a controversy that Washington immediately took advantage of.
It is safe for rock stars to have groupies, but not for truth-tellers.
If you understand the extreme extent to which the US government has gone, riding roughshod
over many laws and traditions, to destroy Assange, perhaps you can understand the threats that
the very few of us who have the education, experience, and integrity to tell you the truth live
under.
When I write an article, it does not inform me. I already know. When I inform you, I am
doing so at my risk. I am not going to take this risk if readers do not support this website. I
do this for you. If it is not important to you, I have no need to do it.
You need to support truth-tellers as we are a disappearing breed under constant assault.
"... Perhaps, Lin, by voluntarily entering an establishment in order to alter one's consciousness- whether in Vietnam or America- you are signaling your surrender and defeat in the war on the "true nature of reality." ..."
I would agree that the America of the neighborhood tavern is dying but would not characterize
our political leadership as a 'rootless, criminal cabal. Criminal they maybe but they are
rooted in the Ivy League, principally Yale and Harvard, and the ideology to gain admission to
those schools. I would say skills to gain entrance but, today, it is more a matter of
ideology. Stray too far from the Clinton/Bush crony capitalist model or Obama's identity
politics and your application goes into the garbage can and with it your chance of joining
our governing elite.
Indeed. I would say this from a slightly different angle: forget about the details of
politics: constitutional monarchy, parliamentary democracy, a republic, democratic socialism,
even marxism, checks and balances, an independent judiciary, an independent central bank, a
written constitution all of these can be made to work, more or less, if the elites care about
the nation as whole. And none of these will matter if the elites no longer care, if they
value their own short-term profit over the long-term stability and strength of their nation.
Back under FDR etc., the elites of this nation were worried about communists, and
anarchists, and then Nazis. That made them care about this nation, they feared that if the
nation went down they would go down as well. So they cared about the working class. I am old
enough to remember when we used to celebrate that we had the highest wages in the world
– that was considered a magnificent joint accomplishment and proof of the greatness of
this nation. Now high American wages are routinely derided as evil, as proof that Americans
are selfish and lazy and they need to be replaced by all those wonderful third-world refugees
who have no alternative but to work for sub-poverty wages
I think the core of this rot is that the elites are no longer afraid. They no longer have
reason to care. They live in gated estates, they fly from private airports (even first class
in a public airport is not good enough/removed enough from the masses for them!), and if
things fall apart they will just sail away in their yachts, tut-tutting about how Americans
no longer deserve their presence
Perhaps, Lin, by voluntarily entering an establishment in order to alter one's
consciousness- whether in Vietnam or America- you are signaling your surrender and defeat in
the war on the "true nature of reality."
The alcohol delusion amplifies greed hatred bondage.
And is anathema to wholesome higher insights.
Whether alcohol or heroin these self- ingrained defilements are an obstruction to the
complete repose to the human spirit.
Exactly. America's leaders behave criminally because they're not scared of the population.
So there's nothing to constrain our leaders from behaving like grifters and conmen.
At some point, however, this will come to an end. Our massively skyrocketing national debt
is totally unpayable, so investors will eventually stop buying our bonds. When that happens,
our national economy and standard of living will collapse dramatically.
It's at that point when our leaders are either put in jail or flee the country.
So is capital, when the dollar will have only limited reserve currency status to the rest
of the world, the American locals will be proportionately ruled by Russian oligarchs and
Chinese priviledge.
American locals are just bulk humanity to these supranationals, they are defined by global
consumerism of the same crap the elites despise. They sweat corn syrup and palm oil and seem
to look "Pinker Steve" happy when digitally masturbating and being chemically subdued,
encased in concrete scenarios.
Now after consumerism, since it is offset by limited resources of our planet, it will be
real misery, as in plowing concrete. That must be mostly indifferent to our supranationals.
Bulk humanity is basically obsolete, and extra-ordinary lucky. If it were for the
supranational nuclei to have a long term policy, we the deplorables would be wiped away, say
three quarters of us.
They are though eagerly observing, if we not, as always, will do it ourselves to us. The
problem would die on itself. The ethnic White middle class down to the street is pointing the
way.
There is no universal, global brotherhood of "nationalist, right-wing, anti-SJW" values as
you seem to be trying to imply. The western far-right/alt-right is entirely self-serving and
their appeals to some kind of global nationalistic ideology is basically just a thin facade
that they promote in order to help generate support for their own self-serving agenda. The
only reason that the western far-right wants to reach out for allies right now is because
they are on the ropes and in a position of weakness; if the western far-right was instead in
a position of strength then they would not hesitate to put their boot on your neck. You are
quite naive if you don't think otherwise.
As an long time observer of the western far-right; its very clear that at the end of the
day, it is not principles that they care about, it is only themselves. That in itself would
be fine if they were upfront about it, however the problem is that they insist on being very
deceptive about their true motives. As I have said in this post, and so many others; why is
it that the far-right wants to postulate about "rights" and "fairness" when it comes to the
preservation of the white race, but then when it comes to any other ethnic group on earth
that has been negatively impacted by western colonialism the far-right just tells them to go
fuck themselves? This tells you all you need to know about how the far-right really feels
about its so called vaunted principles regarding racial/cultural preservation. They believe
in it for themselves yes, but will be more than willing to compromise this belief when it
comes to any others. You are missing the forest for the trees if you insist on adhering to
notions of abstract jointly-held values at the expense of basic strategic interests; this is
something I guarantee you is not lost on the western far-right.
You also assume that SJWism is going to spread to east asia and negatively affect the
culture there in the same way that it has in the west. Is this or is this not the primary
motivation why you seek an alliance with the western far-right? Have I understood your motive
correctly? Going on the assumption that this is actually your motive; then why haven't you
taken into account the fact that culturally and genetically speaking, east asians simply
think differently than whites do? There is no reason to believe that SJWism is going to run
as rampantly in east asia as it has in the west. It will gain a foothold that is for sure,
but it won't gain the same kind of traction that it has in the west. Ideologies cannot
completely change the essential natures of people, if this was the case then the alt-right
(based on racial determinism) would not exist in the first place. Anyways this is a moot
point; if the west fully declines then it would be unable to export its leftist ideals
anyways, so I don't see what you're mad about.
Once again, to reiterate my original point. It is absurd for POC to assume that the
western far-right in any way, shape or form represents their interests or at the very least
is a neutral entity towards them. It is true that POC is a clumsy, extremely general term,
but in this context it functions perfectly. The western far-right worldview is basically
encapsulated as "whites vs all others"; therefore within this context, a pan non-white
concept like POC is useful for working within such a stark, extremist ideological framework.
What is playing out in the west right now is basically the west struggling with its own past
actions; highly conscientious POC need to sit on the sidelines, shutup and let this play out
on its own. There is no need to take sides here, the west made its own bed, let it sleep in
it, this has nothing to do with POC.
Most of us are against both 'invite the world' and 'invade the world'.
Im an old hand on the internet far-right/alt-right scene; what you said is generally true
except with a major caveat. The alt-right is against invading the world only when it doesn't
result in any net gain for the west. The alt-right doesn't actually have a principled stance
against colonization/invading other countries; rather they are only against invading other
countries when it inconveniences them, but when it happens to benefit them, they are fully
supportive of all kinds of invasions. This is probably one of the things that disgusts me
most about the alt-right is how they lack any kind of true, consistent moral foundation but
like to act as if they do.
Its not really a useful argument to ask if something is really a grassroots thing or not.
You could apply that same line of reasoning to anything to the extent where it could obscure
the true reality of an event. Is globalization due to the actions of a jewish ruling class?
Perhaps. But many on the alt-right still blame jews in general because they understand that
there is something in jewish culture that is sympathetic to the globalization project
overall. The same thing applies to western colonization as well. Regardless of what the
western ruling class chose to do, there was an eager, sympathetic and compliant population
which enabled western colonization to happen. If the population was not enthusiastic about
the colonization project then the broad and thorough scale of european colonization would
have been impossible otherwise.
The very act of colonizing and expansion is something that speaks to the very soul of
western man. Most on the far-right fully agree with this sentiment btw and this is something
that you see them say over and over. Simply trying to deflect all the blame on the ruling
class and absolve the people actually carrying out actions is pretty disingenuous. The
reality is, both the ruling class and its subjects are both equally culpable for european
colonization. More importantly, I want to add that while colonialism may not have originated
as a grassroots movement, it certainly had (and continues to have) grassroots support
(especially among the far-right). Which is something that is equally important to consider
(and equally damning as well)
You have a weird obsession with colonialism. Everyone's self-serving; the form changes but
at the end of the day, that's nature.
You're just as self-serving, except that you've apparently have a global image of "POC"
being united for some reason. And evidently the West, which for whatever foibles it has,
shouldn't at least make an effort to survive?
Lol, you couldn't address any of my points, that's why you just throw everything out and
take potshots at me.
The modern world, and nearly everything that unz.com is about ultimately goes back to
colonialism. You could equally say that the writers on unz.com have a weird obsession with
immigration/globalization. Likewise, I could equally say that you have some weird obsession
with leftism. You see how flawed your logic is?
No, im not being self-serving here. I know that my usage of the term POC triggered your
anti-left/anti-SJW sensibilities, but you're reading too much into the usage of a word. The
term POC was used because it was appropriate for the context (as I explained in my reply to
you and you conveniently ignored), not because I have an extreme left political
orientation.
Once again, to reiterate my original point. It is absurd for POC to assume that the
western far-right in any way, shape or form represents their interests or at the very least
is a neutral entity towards them. It is true that POC is a clumsy, extremely general
term, but in this context it functions perfectly. The western far-right worldview is
basically encapsulated as "whites vs all others"; therefore within this context, a pan
non-white concept like POC is useful for working within such a stark, extremist ideological
framework. What is playing out in the west right now is basically the west struggling
with its own past actions; highly conscientious POC need to sit on the sidelines, shutup
and let this play out on its own. There is no need to take sides here, the west made its
own bed, let it sleep in it, this has nothing to do with POC.
As for the west trying to make some effort to survive; I had never claimed that it should
not. In fact I never made any argument to that effect in any of my comments on this article.
In fact, I want you to prove me wrong . Since you seem so sure of your position, quote
and paste where I clearly made an argument to the effect of the west should just give up and
stop trying to survive. I'll be waiting.
You need to work on your reading comprehension. Clearly I have been making the argument
that POC (I hope you get triggered by this) need to stop trying to prop up the west by
rubbing shoulders with the alt-right and should instead sit back and watch things play out.
This is not their fight. Making this argument is completely different than what you were
trying to imply I was saying.
As I've said before, I give as much effort to a reply as I think a person deserves.
Obviously you're not one of them, in no small part because of your insane fetish with
"colonialism" – which I barely could care for.
Indeed, colonialism can be plenty helpful for improving the condition of a population
objectively, which is surprising given that its goal is traditionally extractive but when the
native elite is so incompetent or even more extractive of their population, then it is a net
benefit to the population.
Not that I really care; I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with conquest. At the end
of the day, competition is the means to determine which values and memes of humanity survive
and by removing violence completely as a method, it leads to warping of the population.
I'm descended from mandarins; I have a pretty clear line of family history as far back as
the Yuan. We've done beautiful things – marvelous terraced farms, canals that remain to
this day, and a slew of impressive artwork. We've done terrible things – kept
generations of illiterate serfs and bondsmen. "European colonialism" may hurt us, but the
Cultural Revolution did a lot more damage and almost wiped us out. And we've invaded Vietnam,
and I don't regret it: Annam, the peaceful south. Had the Ming held it, had it remained
Chinese, its hard to argue that it would not be wealthier and more beautiful than it is
now.
So no, I don't feel anything in common with your so-called POC. And your rants about
colonialism only irritate me further. There are many terrible things in life and the world.
And often, they are also beautiful and glorious things.
LOL. This is hilarious, keep backtracking. You obviously care because you bothered to
reply in the first place. Tellingly, you were unable to address the most cogent points in the
argument that I brought up against you in my previous replies and instead prefer to dissemble
about something that has nothing to do with the original point of discussion. Don't think I
didn't notice the (clumsy) sleight of hand. You try to act as if you're above replying to me
but really the problem is that you're unable to argue against the points that I made. Its
really that simple. If you were able to disprove my arguments then you would already be doing
that instead of talking in circles about it.
Ethically speaking, colonialism is wrong. Doesnt matter who does it, white black or
yellow. That being said, I understand the dark parts of human nature and why colonialism
happens. Time and time again, I have clearly stated how the crux of my argument is the
hypocrisy of the far-right when it comes to the topic of colonialism, not so much the act of
colonialism itself. That's it. And I couldn't make my point any clearer. The onus falls on
you, and not on I to correctly perceive this point. My problem is not that the west colonized
the world (shit happens), my problem is that the far right wants to celebrate and condone
colonialism (hence celebrate the historical destruction of other races and cultures) while
simultaneously wanting to complain about their own racial displacement and cultural
destruction (ironically brought about by globalization which in turn was brought about
through western colonialism in the first place). The far-right has a major ideological
consistency here which it is either blind to, or willfully ignores. I'm sorry but the western
far-right can't have its cake and eat it too. It needs to clearly decide how they feel about
the ethics of colonization and then take a principled and consistent stance on it.
Regardless, both in the comments for this post, and for the entirety of my posting
history, my stance regarding colonization has been the same. It is you that has misunderstood
it due to your faulty reading comprehension, and anybody who doubts my words is perfectly
free to read my prior comments in this thread as well as look through my comment history as
well. Therefore, the thrust of your reply completely misses the mark. I suspect however that
your misunderstanding was intentional considering how clearly I made my point regarding
colonialism in all of my posts. Regardless, why should anyone take what you have to say
seriously when you have already demonstrated a clear tendency for poor reading comprehension
or willful misperception? Don't forget about this:
You're just as self-serving, except that you've apparently have a global image of
"POC" being united for some reason. And evidently the West, which for whatever foibles
it has, shouldn't at least make an effort to survive?
God, that's stupid.
As for the west trying to make some effort to survive; I had never claimed that it
should not. In fact I never made any argument to that effect in any of my comments on this
article. In fact, I want you to prove me wrong . Since you seem so sure of your
position, quote and paste where I clearly made an argument to the effect of the west should
just give up and stop trying to survive. I'll be waiting.
I'm still waiting for you to clearly provide proof of your assertion that I implied the
west should just give up; which in fact I never wrote anything to the effect of that, but in
your rush to debunk me, you obviously missed that. The alt-right always prides itself on
relying strictly on the facts, so please live up to this ethos. Everything I wrote is an open
book, either prove your assertions or admit that you can't.
So no, I don't feel anything in common with your so-called POC. And your rants about
colonialism only irritate me further. There are many terrible things in life and the world.
And often, they are also beautiful and glorious things.
Nor do you have to feel anything in common with so-called POC. Do you think I care what
you feel? You vastly overestimate your own importance. Remember, it was you who went out
of you way to start up this dialogue with me, not I . I'm glad that my "rants" regarding
colonialism irritate you. That being said, if they irritate you so much, instead of
responding to them, please ignore them from now on. You are aware that you are not obligated
to reply to anything I write, right?
True! There are many terrible things in life and the world, and also there are many
glorious and beautiful things as well. I think it is beautiful that the west has lived at the
expense of others for so long, and now we are reaching a point where everything that the west
has done is now catching up with it in unexpected ways. It turns out the the universe has a
sense of humor afterall. What goes up, must come down. This applies to all races and all
civilizations. As humans, we must seek to live in harmony with each other, and not simply
exploit and kill one another. There is beauty in seeking to rise above such primitive
impulses, and if possible acting with understanding and compassion towards our fellow man.
That is truly the meaning of "being civilized".
Truly I do not harbor ill-will against the west because it is western, rather I harbor
ill-will towards the west because of its past actions and present attitudes. This is why I
specifically target the far-right (because of their present attitudes about the west's past
actions), as opposed to attacking all western people. I especially have a soft-spot for
westerners that are able to genuinely feel remorse about the past. I strongly believe in the
concept of forgiveness and letting things go, provided that the sentiment is genuine and
mutual. Actually on that topic; even indifference is an acceptable emotion. I think its
stupid to morally hold westerners to past events when even they are indifferent about their
own racial/cultural future. I only stick it to the far-right because they automatically incur
higher moral/ethical standards for themselves to meet when they want to start talking about
the importance of having moral rights for racial/cultural survival.
That being said, the west has a tremendous amount of momentum from its past actions
gathered against it; so it doesn't really matter how I feel, the west will still have to deal
with everything that is happening to it and what is going to happen to it in the future.
Nothing you say or do will impact this in any way, so you might as well enjoy the ride
instead of complaining that I am pointing out inconvenient truths which harm your delicate
sensibilities. Ironically those who complain most about fragile SJW snowflakes are those who
get triggered the easiest themselves
In fact, looking at your history, you are a rare breed: you are a genuine, unironic
anti-white crusader. You actually think there is something uniquely evil about "white
people" and talk without any sense of contradiction that you have "extensive experience of
white people."
The mind boggles.
It was a mistake to give you any time at all.
This is actually a lie what you have written. For your convenience, and for the
convenience of anybody reading, I have provided the quote of what I had originally written
which you are referring to:
GammaRay says:
April 29, 2018 at 7:04 pm GMT • 200 Words
@Wizard of Oz
This is an interesting question and definitely worth looking into. That being said, I do
not buy into the reasoning that an exploding british population is the only or even major
reason behind colonization. From learning about european culture, and understanding the
general weltanschauung of white people, as well as from having extensive social experience
with them; it is clearly evident to me that there is a strong extraversive, expansive
component that exists in the white collective consciousness which under certain
circumstances strongly compels them to colonize, displace and replace much more so than
other races would do so under similar circumstances. What alt-righters/WN would call
"ambition" and "drive", others might prefer to recognize it as "greed". Regardless of the
semantic trivialities; it is clear that there is a strong internal drive within westerners
that causes them to vigorously pursue both the physical and cultural colonization of "the
other". This is not a negative or positive judgment though; it is merely intended to be
understood as an objective observation.
What I had written clearly strives to be dispassionate and objective as opposed to the
maniacal and frothing at the mouth anti-white diatribe that you are attempting to make it out
to be.
Im sorry but the truth of the matter is that HBD is probably real; racial differences
probably exist on a genetic level which influence the behavior and temperaments of different
races and ethnic groups. The fact that whites are more likely to be domineering and have a
tendency for colonizing "the other" does not make them evil; it is an impulse that can be
channeled in both positive and negative ways. That being said, just because I bring up this
inconvenient fact doesn't automatically make me racist or "anti-white". I am merely trying to
work within a framework of reality, we have both multiple centuries of history to draw
inferences from, as well as interpersonal anecdotal observations of white behavior both in
real life as well as on the internet in spaces such as these. I don't think its very
controversial that I am making observations based on noticing patterns. I mean, is noticing
patterns illegal or something undesirable?
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My late friend Christopher Hitchens once
told me that his American friends often expressed surprise at the number of articles and books he was able
to produce. He said that there was a simple reason for his high productivity, which was: "I never watch
television."
He was definitely telling the truth about
this, since the only television in his apartment in Washington was in the spare bedroom where I was staying
and it did not work.
Christopher was right to believe that
time spent watching television was time largely wasted, or could be spent more usefully in some other
activity. Television supplies less information, and at a slower speed, than newspapers, books or radio.
The internet is more efficient, speedy and weakens state and elite monopolies over news and knowledge.
Misused it may be to spread misinformation and propaganda, but the internet remains the most democratic
instrument of communication to emerge since the invention of printing.
The strength of the internet is that it
supplies infinite quantities of information. But this is also its weakness, because this great torrent of
data makes it difficult to distinguish facts that are significant from those that are trivial or
meaningless. Emails, for instance, make it easy to communicate information in any quantity, but are less
good at promoting discussion and explanation.
The sending and receiving of emails can
become as big a waste of time as television ever was. I often have prolonged and inconclusive email
exchanges over a period of days or weeks on a matter that could have been dealt with in 10 minutes by a
short conversation on the phone.
Once I came near to cancelling a weekend
book tour to Barcelona because I could not face another email from the efficient and energetic organisers of
the event. When I printed their messages out, they covered 25 pages. Fortunately, everything was put right
in the end by a short talk on the phone, which should have taken place weeks earlier.
Soon afterwards, I gave a lecture at a
university in the UK which was reasonably well attended, but I pointed out politely to the people in charge
that there might have been more people present if they had advertised the topic on which I was speaking.
"But you never sent it to us," they
replied defensively. I knew I had done so, and later found my email giving the title of my lecture, which my
hosts had understandably missed, about half way through our lengthy exchange of messages.
The obvious reason for this plague of
emails – along every other sort of internet communication – is that they are too easy to send. At a deeper
level, their frequency and length may be fuelled by a natural human tendency to be over-impressed by the
amount of information supplied and believe instinctively that, if there is a lot of it and it is in great
detail, then it is more likely to be true. In practice, the opposite is usually the case.
In the 1990s, I used to interview Iraqis
who claimed to have escaped from Iraq and to have secret information about the inner workings of Saddam
Hussein's regime and his weapons of mass destruction.
My heart used to sink as they produced
more and more uncheckable detail, which they assumed would add to their credibility, but made me ever more
convinced that they were making the whole thing up.
Politicians and security forces have
been traditionally prone to believe that accumulating mountains of data will enable them to influence or
monitor whole populations. Their critics buy into the idea that the internet has vastly increased the amount
of information about people that can be garnered from their online activities.
Part of Cambridge Analytica's pitch to
its clients was to claim that, once its computers had harvested information about millions of voters, it
could identify and target those most likely to support a particular party or politician.
In practice, this data-driven approach
never worked and campaigns that relied on it, like Hillary Clinton's presidential bid in 2016, have usually
ended in failure.
Security agencies are likewise
vulnerable to a similar myth – in which they themselves may not believe – that trying to identify all
potential "terrorists" will make the country safer.
The Prevent programme, which aims to
detect potential Islamic jihadis before they act, has proved useless or counter-effective for many reasons,
but a main one is that by trying to turn everybody into an informer the authorities produce a deluge of
dubious information.
This clogs up the system and leaves
those who were truly dangerous, like the Manchester bomber Salman Abedi, to slip through a net that has been
spread too wide and has too many holes.
People have always had an exaggerated
respect for facts and, thanks to the internet, these are now easily accessible in far greater quantities
than ever before. There is a tedious debate about "fake facts", but this is not really the problem. The fact
is, people do not really know what a fact is.
My father Claud Cockburn, a journalist
formerly on
The Times
, once did some damage to his reputation by explaining that facts were not
"like pieces of gold ore in the Yukon", waiting for the prospector to dig them out and give them to the
world.
Unlike gold nuggets waiting to be
excavated, there are an infinite number of facts in the universe, but these only gain significance and have
a meaning because somebody – a journalist, a policeman – decides that they matter, so every fact in the
media is the result of the point of view of the person who chose to report them and related them to other
facts.
This theory, which became known as the
"heresy of the facts", earned my father some abuse from people who thought he was admitting, as they had
long suspected, that journalists make things up.
But many years after he had written
about it, I requested his file from MI5, and a year later 26 bulky folders were deposited in the National
Archives at Kew. They very much bore out his belief that what mattered most was not the collection of facts,
so much as the choice made about which of these were significant and true.
MI5 had been much interested in my
father's activities in the 1930s, when he ran a newsletter similar to
Private Eye
. The security men
had many sources of information, several of them well-informed and accurate (such as his former boss, the
bureau chief of
The Times
in Berlin), but others were conspiracy theorists and crackpots.
One man was convinced that my father was
the head of a Comintern sabotage ring in Western Europe, its counterpart in the US being
The Time
magazine office in New York.
Claud told one woman he had met at
dinner (as a joke) that revolution was imminent, and would begin with a mutiny by the Brigade of Guards. She
immediately wrote to MI5 in extreme alarm, warning them about the plot.
Looking through the MI5 reports, it
becomes clear that their usefulness, like that of the great quantities of information transmitted by the
internet, depended entirely on the quality of the person (in this case an MI5 officer) who reviewed them.
(Republished from
The Independent
by permission of author or representative)
"... our government's support for Saudi Arabia and Egypt are not exceptions to the rule at all. They are the rule ..."
"... The problem here isn't just liberal hypocrisy and double standards. The deeper issue is that, as the great American iconoclast Mark Twain knew, you cannot maintain democracy at home while conducting an authoritarian empire abroad. ..."
"... "It was impossible," Twain wrote, "to save the Great Republic. She was rotten to the heart. Lust of conquest had long ago done its work; trampling upon the helpless abroad had taught her, by a natural process, to endure with apathy the like at home." ..."
"... "Just a decade after Twain wrote those prophetic words," the historian Alfred W. McCoy has observed , "colonial police methods came home to serve as a template for the creation of an American internal security apparatus in wartime." The nation's first Red Scare, which crushed left and labor movements during and after World War One, drew heavily on the lessons and practices of colonial suppression in the Philippines and Cuba. As McCoy shows in his latest book, In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of US Global Power , ..."
"... "The fetters imposed on liberty at home," James Madison wrote in 1799 , "have ever been forged out of the weapons provided for defense against real, pretended, or imaginary dangers abroad." Those are wise words well worth revisiting amidst the current endless Russiagate madness, calculated among other things to tell us that the FBI, the CIA, and the rest of the nation's vast and ever more ubiquitous intelligence and surveillance state are on our side. ..."
A final matter concerns the problem of imperial chickens coming home to roost. Liberals
don't like to hear it, but the ugly, richly documented historical fact of the matter is that
their party of binary and tribal choice has long joined Republicans in backing and indeed
crafting a U.S. foreign policy that has imposed
authoritarian regimes (and profoundly undemocratic interventions including invasions and
occupations) the world over . The roster of authoritarian and often-mass murderous
governments the U.S. military and CIA and allied transnational business interests have backed,
sometimes even helped create, with richly bipartisan support, is long indeed.
Last fall, Illinois Green Party leader Mike Whitney ran some fascinating numbers on the 49
nation-states that the right-wing "human rights" organization Freedom House identified as
"dictatorships" in 2016. Leaving aside Freedom House's problematic inclusion of Russia, Cuba,
and Iran on its list, the most remarkable thing about
Whitney's research was his finding that the U.S. offered military assistance to 76 percent
of these governments. (The only exceptions were Belarus, China, Central African Republic, Cuba,
Equatorial Guinea, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Russia, South Sudan, Sudan, and Syria.). "Most
politically aware people," Whitney wrote:
"know of some of the more highly publicized instances examples of [U.S. support for
foreign dictatorships], such as the tens of billions of dollars' worth of US military
assistance provided to the beheading capital of the world, the misogynistic monarchy of Saudi
Arabia, and the repressive military dictatorship now in power in Egypt apologists for our
nation's imperialistic foreign policy try to rationalize such support, arguing that Saudi
Arabia and Egypt are exceptions to the rule. But my survey demonstrates that our
government's support for Saudi Arabia and Egypt are not exceptions to the rule at all. They
are the rule ."
The Pentagon and State Department data Whitney used came from Fiscal Year 2015. It dated
from the next-to-last year of the Obama administration, for which so many liberals recall with
misplaced nostalgia. Freedom House's list should have included Honduras, ruled by a vicious
right-wing government that Obama and his Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton helped install in a June 2009 military coup .
The problem here isn't just liberal hypocrisy and double standards. The deeper issue is
that, as the great American iconoclast Mark Twain knew, you cannot maintain democracy at home
while conducting an authoritarian empire abroad. During the United States' blood-soaked
invasion and occupation of the Philippines, Twain penned an imaginary history of the
twentieth-century United States. "It was impossible," Twain wrote, "to save the Great Republic.
She was rotten to the heart. Lust of conquest had long ago done its work; trampling upon the
helpless abroad had taught her, by a natural process, to endure with apathy the like at
home."
"Just a decade after Twain wrote those prophetic words," the historian
Alfred W. McCoy has observed , "colonial police methods came home to serve as a template
for the creation of an American internal security apparatus in wartime." The nation's first Red
Scare, which crushed left and labor movements during and after World War One, drew heavily on
the lessons and practices of colonial suppression in the Philippines and Cuba. As McCoy shows
in his latest book, In the Shadows of the
American Century: The Rise and Decline of US Global Power , the same basic process --
internal U.S. repression informed and shaped by authoritarian and imperial practices abroad and
justified by alleged external threats to the "homeland" -- has recurred ever since. Today, the
rise of an unprecedented global surveillance state overseen by the National Security Agency has
cost the US the trust of many of its top global allies (under Bush43 and Obama44, not just
under Trump45) while undermining civil liberties and democracy within as beyond the
U.S.
"The fetters imposed on liberty at home," James Madison wrote in 1799 , "have ever
been forged out of the weapons provided for defense against real, pretended, or imaginary
dangers abroad." Those are wise words well worth revisiting amidst the current endless
Russiagate madness, calculated among other things to tell us that the FBI, the CIA, and the
rest of the nation's vast and ever more ubiquitous intelligence and surveillance state are on
our side.
The Democratic Party has made a strategic decision to bypass candidates from its progressive
wing and recruit former members of the military and intelligence agencies to compete with
Republicans in the upcoming midterm elections. The shift away from liberal politicians to
center-right government agents and military personnel is part of a broader plan to rebuild the
party so it better serves the interests of its core constituents, Wall Street, big business,
and the foreign policy establishment. Democrat leaders want to eliminate left-leaning
candidates who think the party should promote issues that are important to working people and
replace them with career bureaucrats who will be more responsive to the needs of business. The
ultimate objective of this organization-remake is to create a center-right superparty comprised
almost entirely of trusted allies from the national security state who can be depended on to
implement the regressive policies required by their wealthy contributors. Here's more
background from Patrick Martin at the World Socialist Web Site:
"An extraordinary number of former intelligence and military operatives from the CIA,
Pentagon, National Security Council and State Department are seeking nomination as Democratic
candidates for Congress in the 2018 midterm elections. The potential influx of
military-intelligence personnel into the legislature has no precedent in US political
history.
If the Democrats capture a majority in the House of Representatives on November 6, as
widely predicted, candidates drawn from the military-intelligence apparatus will comprise as
many as half of the new Democratic members of Congress. They will hold the balance of power
in the lower chamber of Congress .
it should be noted that there would be no comparable influx of Bernie Sanders supporters
or other "left"-talking candidates in the event of a Democratic landslide. Only five of the
221 candidates reviewed in this study had links to Sanders or billed themselves as
"progressive." None is likely to win the primary, let alone the general election." ("The CIA
Democrats, Patrick Martin, The World Socialist Web Site)
Progressive candidates are being ignored to make room for center-right
functionaries who will focus on reducing government spending, rolling back Trump's trade
policy, and supporting the foreign wars. This new wave of fiscally-conservative Democrats will
execute their tasks in a party that serves as the political wing of the federal bureaucracy.
Democrat leaders have long-abandoned the idea that a party should be a vehicle for political
change. Their aim is to create a top-down pro-business collective that marginalizes activists
and liberals in order to avoid disruptive political convulsions that impact corporate
profitability. Here's more on the Dems' attack on its liberal base from an article by Patrick
Martin:
"The New Jersey Democratic Party establishment successfully imposed its choice in
contested congressional nominations, brushing aside several candidates backed by Bernie
Sanders and his Our Revolution group. Nearly every Sanders-backed candidate in other states
-- for governor of Iowa and congressional seats in Iowa, Montana New Mexico and California --
suffered a similar fate." ("US primary elections in eight states confirm rightward shift by
Democratic Party", Patrick Martin, The World Socialist Web Site)
As a result "Only a handful of candidates running under the Bernie Sanders banner survived
primaries held in six states on Tuesday. As of Wednesday afternoon, only seven of 31 candidates
endorsed by Our Revolution -- - had been declared winners." (USA Today)
Simply put, Democrat leaders have successfully derailed the progressive bandwagon. Even so,
Sanders role vis a vis the Democratic Party has always been a bit of a ruse. Here's how author
Tom Hall sums it up:
"The major political function of Sanders' campaign is to divert the growing social
discontent and hostility toward the existing system behind the Democratic Party, in order to
contain and dissipate it. His supposedly 'socialist' campaign is an attempt to preempt and
block the emergence of an independent movement of the working class." ("Is Bernie Sanders a
socialist?", July 16, 2015), Tom Hall, World Socialist Web Site)
Sanders task will become increasingly more difficult as progressives realize that
the Dems are building a party apparatus that sees activism as a fundamental threat to their
strategic objective, which is to create a secure environment where business can flourish.
Sanders has helped the party by seducing leftists with his fake liberalism, but he has
undermined the aims of working people who need an independent organization to advance their own
political agenda. As long as Sanders continues to sell his populist snake oil from a Democratic
soapbox, liberals are going to continue to hope that the party can be transformed into an
instrument for progressive change. The evidence, however, suggests the party is moving in the
opposite direction. Here's more from Patrick Martin's:
"The Democratic Party's promotion of a large number of military-intelligence candidates
for competitive districts represents an insurance policy for the US ruling elite. In the
event of a major swing to the Democrats, the House of Representatives will receive an influx
of new members drawn primarily from the national security apparatus, trusted servants of
American imperialism The preponderance of national security operatives in the Democratic
primaries sheds additional light on the nature of the Obama administration (which) marked the
further ascendancy of the military-intelligence apparatus within the Democratic Party .
The Democratic Party is running in the congressional elections not only as the party that
takes a tougher line on Russia, but as the party that enlists as its candidates and
representatives those who have been directly responsible for waging war, both overt and
covert, on behalf of American imperialism. .
The upper-middle-class layer that provides the "mass" base of the Democratic Party has
moved drastically to the right over the past four decades, enriched by the stock market boom,
consciously hostile to the working class, and enthusiastically supportive of the
military-intelligence apparatus which, in the final analysis, guarantees its own social
position against potential threats, both foreign and domestic. It is this social evolution
that now finds expression on the surface of capitalist politics, in the rise of the
military-intelligence "faction" to the leadership of the Democratic Party." ("The CIA
Democrats", Patrick Martin, The World Socialist Web Site)
The dramatic metamorphosis of the Democratic party hasn't taken place in a vacuum but in a
fractious and politically-charged environment where elements within the intelligence community
and law enforcement (FBI) are attempting to roll back the results of the 2016 presidential
elections because their preferred candidate (Hillary Clinton) did not win. And while these
agencies have not yet produced any hard evidence that their claims (of collusion with Russia)
are true, there is mounting circumstantial evidence that senior-level officials at these
agencies were actively trying to entrap members of the Trump campaign to justify more intrusive
surveillance in the hopes of uncovering incriminating evidence that could be used in
impeachment proceedings.
As more information surfaces, and we learn more about the "unmasking", wiretapping, National
Security Letters, FISA warrants, paid informants and other surveillance abuses that were
directed at the Trump campaign, we should think back to 2005 when the New York Times first
reported that the National Security Agency had been eavesdropping on Americans inside the
United States "without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying."
("Bush Lets U.S. Spy on Callers Without Courts", New York Times) That incident was reported
just 13 years ago and already we can see that the infrastructure for a permanent Orwellian
police-state –that uses its extraordinary powers of surveillance to sabotage the
democratic process and maintain its stranglehold on power– has already arisen in our
midst. And while Russiagate is proof-positive that these malign spying techniques are already
being used against us, the Democratic party is now creating a home for deep-state alums and
their military allies so they continue to prosecute their war against personal liberty and the
American people.
"The ultimate objective of this organization-remake is to create a center-right superparty
comprised almost entirely of trusted allies from the national security state who can be
depended on to implement the regressive policies required by their wealthy contributors."
If by "regressive" you mean a move away from a mixed economy to a more fundamentalist
market-based approach, then yeah, I would agree.
"Their aim is to create a top-down pro-business collective that marginalizes activists and
liberals in order to avoid disruptive political convulsions "
The only activism I've seen from progressives in the past two years has nothing to do with
economic concerns; their energy is entirely focused on race, gender, and sexuality. The
cultural-Marxist troika.
" Russiagate is proof-positive that these malign spying techniques are already being used
against us, the Democratic party is now creating a home for deep-state alums and their
military allies "
You forgot to mention neoconservatives who are now finding safe spaces for their
warmongering in the liberal media. Currently the Democrats are inflamed with identity
politics; more than likely this infection will continue to fester for another two election
cycles. Democrats are proceeding down a dark path: identity politics brings only conflict,
civil war.
The Democrat party is a high-low coalition of the fringes. The ultra rich use the poor to
attack the middle so they can distract everyone else from uniting and doing something like
raising taxes on the rich or deporting minorities to democrat neighborhoods. So, it's not
surprising that the high part of the coalition would strike back.
This only further strengthens my desire to see a secession movement. When statist
democrats are in power, they will surely abuse this growing national security state to keep
us down. It's time to break up the USSA ASAP before it's too late.
"Democrat leaders want to eliminate left-leaning candidates who think the party should
promote issues that are important to working people."
Note to M. Whitney: the New Deal coalition is dead. Left/Progressives today despise
working people. Didn't you get the memo? Working people are deplorable! Antifa, BLM, the
Women's Studies Dept, the sex lobby, Amy Goodman, Michael Moore – they all hate working
people.
"Progressive candidates are being ignored to make room for center-right functionaries who
will focus on reducing government spending, rolling back Trump's trade policy, and supporting
the foreign wars."
Note to M. Whitney: Progressives today love free trade and advocate war against Russia.
Didn't you notice when pro-war progressives kicked you off the Counterpunch website? Today's
Progressives love War! Punch the Nazi!
"Simply put, Democrat leaders have successfully derailed the progressive bandwagon"
Note to M. Whitney: The progressive bandwagon exists solely for identity politics
hysteria, and it is not derailed. Haven't you noticed the race and gender, baiting and
slander bandwagon barreling down the highway? It's getting louder all the time.
Stop holding out hope that someday there will be a groundswell of progressives on the left
who are on the side of the little guy. Progressives are an elite crowd of identity politics
ideologues. Radical reformers are misanthropes – they don't like social norms because
they don't like basic human nature. They will never like working stiffs. They will never care
about 3rd world villagers getting bombed.
The fault line here is race and gender politics. You are on the right side on war and
economic issues and you are on the wrong side on race/sex/gender issues. Don't blindly accept
the dogma that differing group outcomes are caused by Bad White Males. Trust in facts and
reason. Don't feel you have to grovel because you're white or male. Change your mind on these
issues – it's called learning.
It brings power to its practitioners. Which is the whole point.
You forgot to mention neoconservatives who are now finding safe spaces for their
warmongering in the liberal media
Why wouldn't they? Warmongering has been a "liberal" preoccupation for a century, since
the income-taxing suffragist Wilson. Remember Bob Dole's "Kinsley gaffe" in the 1976 debate
with Walter Mondale.
From comments: "Putin, if people would listen, proposes a model that I find acceptable. Respect for
national sovereignty and government institutions. In this model, yes, we would tolerate
authoritarian governments as long as they respect the sovereignty and stability of other
countries." But the problem with this statement is the dynamics of American Imperialism, which would not tolerate any
government which is not a vassal.
Notable quotes:
"... Idealism in foreign policy is, by definition, the pursuit of a dreamy vision of a better world that does not seriously ask whether the ideal is actually compatible with reality. Illusions set idealists up for terrible surprises. Addressing problems through, for example, the lens of Fukuyama-style Hegelian idealism, according to which the world is inexorably progressing toward liberal democratic values, would in today's world be not only absurd but dangerous. ..."
"... When realist thinkers -- from Machiavelli to Kissinger -- prick the bubbles of the dreamers, they incur only wrath. For idealists, it is the height of cynicism and bad manners to point out that cunning and force are what actually dominate world affairs. ..."
"... For Kissinger, peace depends upon "a system of independent states refraining from interference in each other's domestic affairs and checking each other's ambitions through a general equilibrium of power." The Peace of Westphalia and, to some degree, the Congress of Vienna embodied such an arrangement, offering the lesson that balance-of-power theory is indispensable in analyzing world events. ..."
"... However, Kissinger was intellectually astute enough to recognize that, in order to create and maintain this equilibrium of power, something more than a mechanical balance is required: enlightened statesmen. Kissinger states explicitly that balance-of-power "does not in itself secure peace." If world leaders refuse to play by Westphalian rules, the system will break down. He warns of the rise of radical Islamists, for example, who refuse to think in Westphalian terms. ..."
"... Morality in foreign affairs, then, is not found in a set of abstract rules of behavior for nation-states, nor is it found in deploying military power to advance some progressive, idealistic cause. Morality can be found only in the souls of righteous statesmen who, under complex international circumstances, act not out of malice or hatred, nor out of greed or pure self-interest, but who find a path to peace that is compatible not only with the interest of their own nations but that of the others. ..."
"... Just had to correct that one sentence, there. Kissinger had no problem intervening in the affairs of "independent states" that posed little military or political threat to the United States, but perhaps threatened the commercial interests, profits or market share of American companies and capitalists. ..."
"... The record of the foreign policy realists, Republican or Democratic, is drenched in blood, from Afghanistan, Indonesia and Angola to Chile, Nicaragua and Guatemala, not to mention Cambodia from Nixon to Carter to Reagan. And the long-term consequences of their decisions (Iran in 1953, Afghanistan under Carter and Brezinski) can bite the rest of us pretty hard, too. Hell, George H.W. Bush and James Baker brought us the first Iraq War, which should have been left to the Arab League to solve (and, frankly, I give not a whit for the independence of the Emirs of Kuwait). ..."
"... An American imperialist is still, when all is said and done, an American imperialist, and woe be to any small, non-nuclear independent state that gets in the way of said imperialist making the world safe for ExxonMobil, Goldman Sachs or Citibank. ..."
"... What Machiavelli wrote is that statesmen should advocate conventional religious morality as the default position in most circumstances but when faced with an existential emergency they must sacrifice their soul to not do good and use evil but only as an occasion calls for it to protect the nation. ..."
"... Putin, if people would listen, proposes a model that I find acceptable. Respect for national sovereignty and government institutions. In this model, yes, we would tolerate authoritarian governments as long as they respect the sovereignty and stability of other countries. ..."
"... Kissinger is famous for his attachment to the balance of power concept, particularly in relation to the Congress of Vienna, but I always think that he leaves out the main point. The balance of power wasn't an end in itself. It was a means to the end that the European powers wanted to achieve, namely, the restoration of the "ancien régime". The idea of the balance of powers was to prevent the Great Powers getting into fights with each other, leading to mutual destruction, which, indeed, is what ultimately happened in 1914. ..."
"... There are countless examples where realists cherry-picked the facts (variables). ..."
"... Good discussion. Machiavelli's central insight is that a national leader must get their hands dirty, even to the point of committing evil, to protect the nation from disaster, to reform corruption, to remove internal insurrectionists. But using evil for good is limited to only those real (realistic) threats against the nation. According to Machiavelli in his Discourses, glory is reserved for those who are the founders of republics, reformers or religious leaders of a nation, military leaders followed by literature writers and artists who reflect republican virtues. Contra William Smith, foreign policy can not ALWAYS be "just and moral", which is an idealistic a notion. ..."
Great power competition is everywhere these days -- in Syria, Ukraine, the South China Sea,
North Korea. With the rise of China and the rejuvenation of Russian military power, realist
thinking is suddenly back in vogue, as it should be.
Idealism in foreign policy is, by definition, the pursuit of a dreamy vision of a better
world that does not seriously ask whether the ideal is actually compatible with reality.
Illusions set idealists up for terrible surprises. Addressing problems through, for example,
the lens of Fukuyama-style Hegelian idealism, according to which the world is inexorably
progressing toward liberal democratic values, would in today's world be not only absurd but
dangerous. The liberal idea that the UN can foster world order through international
institutions is likewise naïve and perilous. Fantasy lands in art and literature can be
wonderful divertissements , but using them as the basis for great nation's foreign
policy can produce nightmares.
George W. Bush created a dream world in his mind where it seemed plausible for American
military power to end "tyranny in our world." Tyranny, as anyone who has not slipped the bonds
of reality knows, is rooted in the human soul and cannot be "ended." Tyranny can be checked and
mitigated, but only through extraordinary effort and with the help of a rich tradition.
But it is always easier to assign oneself virtue based on self-applauding and unrealistic
notions about world peace. When realist thinkers -- from Machiavelli to Kissinger -- prick the
bubbles of the dreamers, they incur only wrath. For idealists, it is the height of cynicism and
bad manners to point out that cunning and force are what actually dominate world affairs.
Yet for all their sagacity, realist thinkers are not without their problems either. They
tend to deny the moral nature of human beings and the role that this may play in world events.
Because they have seen the great danger of moralistic idealism in foreign policy, they
sometimes don't think morality should be considered at all. Realist theory has a cold, inhumane
quality that makes it inattentive to the moral dimension of human existence.
The failure of realists to incorporate moral considerations into their thinking has made
realism unpopular with the American people, who historically believe that their nation's
foreign policy should have at least some moral content. They, after all, send their own boys
and girls to war, and they would like to think that those sacrifices are not made for some
mechanistic balance of power. They know that statesmen must often make cold calculations in the
national interest, but surely somewhere in there must be right and wrong, as in all human
endeavors.
Because some realists have adopted the philosophically untenable position that morality has
no role in world affairs, many Americans have signed on with the moralists' disastrous crusades
instead. The realists have the stronger policy case, but they have ceded the moral ground to
the idealists.
Ironically, it may be the work of Henry Kissinger that can show realists an intellectual
path toward restoring a sense of morality in foreign policy.
For Kissinger, peace depends upon "a system of independent states refraining from
interference in each other's domestic affairs and checking each other's ambitions through a
general equilibrium of power." The Peace of Westphalia and, to some degree, the Congress of
Vienna embodied such an arrangement, offering the lesson that balance-of-power theory is
indispensable in analyzing world events.
However, Kissinger was intellectually astute enough to recognize that, in order to
create and maintain this equilibrium of power, something more than a mechanical balance is
required: enlightened statesmen. Kissinger states explicitly that balance-of-power "does not in
itself secure peace." If world leaders refuse to play by Westphalian rules, the system will
break down. He warns of the rise of radical Islamists, for example, who refuse to think in
Westphalian terms.
Kissinger also says that enlightened leaders must not only recognize the realities of power
politics and the hard Machiavellian truths of international competition, but possess a certain
moral quality that he calls "restraint." Without a willingness to restrain themselves and to
act dispassionately, world leaders will be incapable of building an international order. When
facing difficult challenges, enlightened diplomats and statesmen must have the moral courage to
accept certain "limits of permissible action." Implicit in Kissinger's thought is that
morality, though of a realistic kind, is essential in foreign policy. Only statesmen of a
certain temperament and moral character can support the Westphalian model.
Morality in foreign affairs, then, is not found in a set of abstract rules of behavior
for nation-states, nor is it found in deploying military power to advance some progressive,
idealistic cause. Morality can be found only in the souls of righteous statesmen who, under
complex international circumstances, act not out of malice or hatred, nor out of greed or pure
self-interest, but who find a path to peace that is compatible not only with the interest of
their own nations but that of the others. Such a policy cannot be sketched out in the
abstract in advance; it can emerge only through the moral leadership of genuine statesmen who
act to find a specific solution in a set of complex, concrete circumstances. This is one of the
great lessons of classical political philosophy: justice is not an abstraction but found
concretely in the soul of the just man.
The answer to the question of what a just and moral foreign policy might look like is that
it's the kind that truly just and moral, but also supremely realistic, statesmen will adopt.
That such statesmen are rare is what has caused the great philosophers to lament that only the
dead have seen the end of war.
William S. Smith is managing director and research fellow at the Center for the Study of
Statesmanship at The Catholic University of America.
Implicit in Kissinger's thought is that morality, though of a realistic kind, is essential
in foreign policy. Only statesmen of a certain temperament and moral character can support
the Westphalian model.
1) In 1971, the government of Pakistan carried out a genocide of its Hindu minority in
what is now Bangladesh (then East Pakistan). Somewhere between 1 and 3 million Hindus were
killed, and many thousands of Bengali Muslim leaders and intellectuals were murdered by the
Pakistani regime.
Kissinger and Nixon supported Yahya Khan's government, and even shipped weapons to
Pakistan while the genocide was going on.
From Gary Bass's article in the New Yorker:
While the slaughter in what would soon become an independent Bangladesh was underway,
the C.I.A. and State Department conservatively estimated that roughly two hundred thousand
people had died (the official Bangladeshi death toll is three million). Some ten million
Bengali refugees fled to India, where untold numbers died in miserable conditions in refugee
camps. Pakistan was a Cold War ally of the United States, and Richard Nixon and his
national-security advisor, Henry Kissinger, resolutely supported its military dictatorship;
they refused to impose pressure on Pakistan's generals to forestall further
atrocities.
2) Kissinger was one of key organizers of the 1973 coup against the democratically elected
Allende government in Chile. When Allende was elected, this moral stalwart told his staff "I
don't see any reason why we should stand around and do nothing when a country goes communist
because of the irresponsibility of its own people."
In the first months after the coup d'état, the military killed thousands of
Chilean leftists, both real and suspected, or forced their "disappearance". The military
imprisoned 40,000 political enemies in the National Stadium of Chile In October 1973, the
Chilean songwriter Víctor Jara, and 70 other political killings were perpetrated by
the death squad, Caravan of Death (Caravana de la Muerte).
The government arrested some 130,000 people in a three-year period; the dead and
disappeared numbered thousands.
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Tom Lehrer once said that satire died when Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Fortunately William Smith's article about Kissinger's "morality" shows that comedy is not yet
dead, even if the comic relief is inadvertent.
For Kissinger, peace depends upon "a system of MAJOR POWERS refraining from interference in
each other's domestic affairs and checking each other's ambitions through a general
equilibrium of power."
Just had to correct that one sentence, there. Kissinger had no problem intervening in the
affairs of "independent states" that posed little military or political threat to the United
States, but perhaps threatened the commercial interests, profits or market share of American
companies and capitalists.
The record of the foreign policy realists, Republican or Democratic, is drenched in blood,
from Afghanistan, Indonesia and Angola to Chile, Nicaragua and Guatemala, not to mention
Cambodia from Nixon to Carter to Reagan. And the long-term consequences of their decisions
(Iran in 1953, Afghanistan under Carter and Brezinski) can bite the rest of us pretty hard,
too. Hell, George H.W. Bush and James Baker brought us the first Iraq War, which should have
been left to the Arab League to solve (and, frankly, I give not a whit for the independence
of the Emirs of Kuwait).
Would the realists have responded to the 2009 coup in Honduras with any more morality than
Hilary Clinton did? Would the economic war upon Venezuela be any less damaging than it has
been under Bush II, Obama or Trump? Yes, some of the realists would not have launched the
invasion of Iraq, but would they have lifted the sanctions regime on Iraq? Would they have
restrained the Saudis in Yemen?
An American imperialist is still, when all is said and done, an American imperialist, and
woe be to any small, non-nuclear independent state that gets in the way of said imperialist
making the world safe for ExxonMobil, Goldman Sachs or Citibank.
Dr. Smith apparently has a misunderstanding about Machiavelli's realism being devoid of
morality.
What Machiavelli wrote is that statesmen should advocate conventional religious morality
as the default position in most circumstances but when faced with an existential emergency
they must sacrifice their soul to not do good and use evil but only as an occasion calls for
it to protect the nation.
Example: Truman authorizing the dropping on A-bombs on Japan;
Churchill not warning the City of Coventry they were to be bombed by the Luftwaffe in WW II
because to warn them would have revealed that the Brits had cracked the German secret codes;
and Pres. Reagan freeing American hostages in Iran in exchange for drug money to fund the
Contras in Nicaragua.
This is in sharp contrast to statesmen (women) such as Hillary Clinton
who used evil gratuitously by taking bribes from foreign nations to fund her foundation; or
Pres. Bill Clinton who "wagged the dog" by bombing a drug factory in Sudan to divert
attention away from a sex scandal.
Machiavelli was not anti-religious or anti-morality,
contrary to pop explanations by liberal media, novels and academics (read Erica Benner's book
Machiavelli's Ethics).
Henry Kissinger as a moral man? I really wish you had a better example to prove your valid
point. The man who was responsible for the murder of millions in Indo China including the
bombing of non combatant countries like Laos is hardly qualified to talk about morality of
anything.
Im not sure morality is even possible. I wonder if it ever was possible.
Everyone in the west is taught the values of multicultural and diversity while the rest of
the world is still tribal. It is those tribes who we (US) considers allies which are
controlling much of our foreign policy. The other constituency is just as old and its the
monied class or the corporations whose only goal is to maintain and grow revenue.
Thank god we have domestic and international law which constrains our foreign policy to
moral issues.
These terms get murky.
Neocons are idealists but most definitely believe in great power competition and dominance.
U.S. interests can only be protected if authoritarian regimes are replaced by pro-U.S.
Democratic govts which is why we were so aggressive in expanding our influence in Eastern
Europe, often through covert means and by force in the M.E. I never had much use for the term 'realism'.
Putin, if people would listen, proposes a model that I find acceptable. Respect for
national sovereignty and government institutions. In this model, yes, we would tolerate
authoritarian governments as long as they respect the sovereignty and stability of other
countries.
We have been brainwashed to consider him an offender in this model because of Ukraine but
his response was a minimalist response to a crisis on his border. We go on crusades and
experiment on other countries thousands of miles away from our shores.
Kissinger is famous for his attachment to the balance of power concept, particularly in
relation to the Congress of Vienna, but I always think that he leaves out the main point. The
balance of power wasn't an end in itself. It was a means to the end that the European powers
wanted to achieve, namely, the restoration of the "ancien régime". The idea of the
balance of powers was to prevent the Great Powers getting into fights with each other,
leading to mutual destruction, which, indeed, is what ultimately happened in 1914.
Westphalia
was a slightly different situation. A 30-year, on again–off again, triangular German
"civil war" between Catholics, Lutherans and Calvinists, with much foreign interference, had
reached a stalemate, which, in practice, amounted to a Catholic defeat. The only way out was
to let everybody keep what they had and agree not to try to take more. It was forced
forbearance rather than balance.
In Europe, at least, peace certainly depends upon "a system of independent states refraining
from interference in each other's domestic affairs and checking each other's ambitions
through a general equilibrium of power". The European Union is the modern expression of that
principle.
That's why Putin's interferences in Ukraine's domestic affairs and his undisguised
attempts to destroy the EU have set off alarm bells all across Europe and why US
unwillingness to check his ambitions is making the EU the only viable option to ensure peace
in Europe.
Kissinger is an extremely bad person to cite on the subject of morality in a realist foreign
policy. John Quincey Adam's would be better. Coincidentally, TAC printed him on this very
subject --
"Idealism in foreign policy is, by definition, the pursuit of a dreamy vision of a better
world"
It need not be that. The "vision thing" that Bush I famously did not do could well be a
part of our national interest, one of the things coldly evaluated, and contributing to our
strength when done correctly.
Of Wayne Lusvardi's examples of "existential" emergencies for which evil can be done to
"protect the nation," "Truman authorizing the dropping on A-bombs on Japan" is at best
debatable given the evidence that the Japanese were willing to surrender as long as they
could keep their emperor, and especially to keep the Soviets from declaring war on them,
while "Churchill not warning the City of Coventry they were to be bombed by the Luftwaffe in
WW II" is legitimate, in my opinion.
But "Reagan freeing American hostages in Iran in exchange for drug money to fund the
Contras in Nicaragua" is laughable. American pride may have needed protection from the
hostage "crisis," but the American nation certainly did not, as it was not threatened in any
way. American foreign policy continued on its way, funding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan,
backing the Khmer Rouge against the Vietnamese Stalinists who drove them from power in
Cambodia, and buying off Egypt, so you can't even say that America's "standing in the world"
particularly suffered from the hostage "crisis."
And as for "Pres. Bill Clinton who 'wagged the dog' by bombing a drug factory in Sudan to
divert attention away from a sex scandal," I'll trump that shameful episode with Pres. Ronald
Reagan invading Grenada two days after the Beirut barracks bombing.
Our D.I. In basic training in his frustration to turn raw recruits into soldiers would raise
his arms to the sky imploring the aid of the Commander-in-Chief in the heavens and holler,
"Dear Lord, give'em books and all they do is eat'em!" That's the way I viewed William Smith's
essay on the need for an infusion of a reconstituted morality in our foreign policy.
After
basic training, I then served as a medical corpsman in Vietnam, where I was confronted with
the grim and brutal reality of that quagmire and learned that the road to hell is paved with
good intentions. LBJ would come to regret calling South Vietnam President Ndo Dinh Diem the
"Churchill of Asia." There lies the dilemma when idealism confronts reality.
More generally,
I disagree with the centrality of the Westphalian concept of what constitutes a nation in the
post-modern world. Smith mentions the influence of non-actors such as jihadists to alter our
foreign policy goals but overlooks how corporations have also altered that concept with their
doctrine of globalization for profits which undercuts national sovereignty established in
Westphalia. Smith seems to be wandering between two worlds, "one dead / The other peerless to
be born" as Mathew Arnold lamented in his poem "Stanzas from the Grande Chartreuse."
Smith is
trying to promote a revisionist history of the last fifty years just as Niall Ferguson did in
the first volume of his authorized biography of Henry Kissinger as an idealist. Ferguson
notes even Kissinger obviously knew the war was a lost cause after he did two fact-finding
tours in South Vietnam early in the war but thought the war was still necessary to prosecute
to save a vestige of our credibility as policeman to the world. Ken Burns also attempts a
revisionist coup of the Vietnam War when he editorialized in his documentary that our
fearless leaders prosecuted that war with the best intentions. So unfortunately, I view this
essay as a current trend to to promote revisionism in our history of the last fifty years
despite the contrary conclusions of the historical facts.
But as John Adams, a foundering
father, once observed "facts are stubborn things."
I agree-Putin's response to our actions is often not even considered: The biggest flaw with realism that it's like a multivariate experiment
-- with everyone
having different variables they think to be relevant. For instance, Kissinger thought Vietnam would fall under Chinese influence under Communist
NVA, yet he ignored the variable of ethnic rivalries between Chinese and Vietnamese. GWB ignored the variables of Iran -- how it would swoop in and nurture newly Shia Iraq..
There are countless examples where realists cherry-picked the facts (variables).
Vietnam: perhaps the only conflict fought on half of another of but minor, if any real
benefit to the US. That with or without Sec. Kissinger is clear as day. As for quagmires --
it seems that all ward have them. Vietnam was a quagmire because our policy was one of
protect and hold as opposed to invade and conquer -- an unfortunate choice. In the world of a
realist, we should have killed any and all Vietcong, raced up to Hanoi and ended the matter.
'nough said.
I am not sure many here are reading the same article, because my take is that the author
is claiming that Sec Kissinger was a realist -- practical – what needed to be done to
accomplish task A -- morality doesn't enter into it. That explains why he found Pres Nixon's
faith amusing. So all of the comments bemoaning the Sec lack of moral attend, only confirms
the realists perspective.
Nonetheless,
I disagree with your version of the last seventeen years. it has not been orchestrated or
led by realists. Quite the opposite. The rhetoric may be couched in all manner of idealism ,
but so was their application of force.
A realist would not give a lick aboy religious affiliation to the aims of regime chang,
cpital market or democracy creation. The onlu factor that would have mattered is who was on
board, or not in the way -- all challengers regardless of their faith, political agendas,
personality, or concerned about symbols as nonsensical historical artifacts would moved aside
by any means necessary. A realist so engaging such large opposition would decided the matter
-- to utter destruction to complete compliance – period.
In fact, I will contend that these pseudo realists, were thwarted by their own bouts if
idealist moral relativity and were the worst sort for the job at hand.
What a joke of an article, Kissinger as a moralist. He is one of the major war criminals of
the second half of the 20th Century. He has the blood of hundreds of thousands if not
millions on his hands, as others above have details. And not all foreigners. Lest we forget
the part he played in Nixon's great lies about Vietnam that delayed a peace settlement to
help Nixon get elected. 30,000 dead Americans later we got pretty much the same settlement.
The author of this article has entered into the realm of the absurd.
Wow, I thought I wasn't ever going to read anything on economic war on Venezuela! Finally,
even if it is from the comments.
There is an article about not to support/encourage a cup here, but obviously, when it is
about the bad economic situation, only the leftish govenrments are blamed, as if Venezuela
wasn't thoroughly dependet on debt.
Besides of that, even if that mention weren't thre, I agree and thanks most of the
comments in this article.
Good discussion. Machiavelli's central insight is that a national leader must get their
hands dirty, even to the point of committing evil, to protect the nation from disaster, to
reform corruption, to remove internal insurrectionists. But using evil for good is limited to
only those real (realistic) threats against the nation. According to Machiavelli in his
Discourses, glory is reserved for those who are the founders of republics, reformers or
religious leaders of a nation, military leaders followed by literature writers and artists
who reflect republican virtues. Contra William Smith, foreign policy can not ALWAYS be "just
and moral", which is an idealistic a notion.
If, as Samuel Johnson is reputed to have said, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
then using Kissinger as an example of realism is the last refuge of a fantasist.
"... There is no indication that Bolton was aware that Cambridge Analytica was exploiting the personal data of tens of millions of Facebook users -- but he was certainly aware that it was using an extensive trove of personal data to target voters ..."
"... What Bolton was paying Cambridge Analytica to do is, perhaps, more damning than his use of the shady data firm. "The Bolton PAC was obsessed with how America was becoming limp wristed and spineless and it wanted research and messaging for national security issues," Wylie told the Times . "That really meant making people more militaristic in their worldview," he added. ..."
"... "That's what they said they wanted, anyway." Cambridge Analytica produced fear-mongering advertisements aimed at drumming up support for Bolton and other hawkish Republicans. The relationship between the firm and the Super PAC grew "so close that the firm was writing up talking points" for Bolton after only a few months of collaboration. ..."
Speaking at CPAC in 2017, John Bolton boasted that his Super
PAC's implementation of "advanced psychographic data" would help elect "filibuster majorities"
in 2018. According to a New York Times
report published on Friday, Bolton's Super PAC paid $1.2 million to Cambridge Analytica,
the British firm that has come under scrutiny for its misuse of Facebook data to influence
voters. Bolton's Super PAC, moreover, was heavily funded by the Mercer family, who gave
millions to Cambridge Analytica during the 2016 presidential campaign.
There is no indication that Bolton was aware that Cambridge Analytica was exploiting the
personal data of tens of millions of Facebook users -- but he was certainly aware that it was
using an extensive trove of personal data to target voters. "The data and modeling Bolton's PAC
received was derived from the Facebook data," Christopher Wylie, the co-founder of Cambridge Analytica turned whistleblower, told the Times . "We definitely told them about how we
were doing it. We talked about it in conference calls, in meetings."
What Bolton was paying Cambridge Analytica to do is, perhaps, more damning than his use of
the shady data firm. "The Bolton PAC was obsessed with how America was becoming limp wristed
and spineless and it wanted research and messaging for national security issues," Wylie told
the Times . "That really meant making people more militaristic in their worldview," he
added.
"That's what they said they wanted, anyway." Cambridge Analytica produced fear-mongering
advertisements aimed at drumming up support for Bolton and other hawkish Republicans. The
relationship between the firm and the Super PAC grew "so close that the firm was writing up
talking points" for Bolton after only a few months of collaboration.
This article on almost a year old but thinks are developing as predicted. Which increases its
value.
"... Since when did Trump become an expert on political science and world history anyway? Who
does he think he is lecturing? Yet another US middle school classroom?! Does he not realize that
a good number of the countries represented at the UN consider themselves Socialist?! Furthermore,
while I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that Socialist and Communist ideas have often
been a disaster in the 20th century, Socialism in the 21st century is an entirely different beast
and the jury is still very much out on this issue, especially when considering the social,
political, economic, ecological, psychological and even spiritual disaster Capitalism is now
proving to be for much of the planet. Being the President of a country as dysfunctional as the
US, Trump would be well-advised to tone down his arrogant pontifications about Socialism and
maybe even open a book and read about it. ..."
"... My guess is that all they want is to send a clear messages to the Comprador elites
running most countries that this is the "official ideology of the AngloZionist Empire" and if
they want to remain in power they better toe the line even if nobody takes this stuff seriously.
Yup, back to a 1980s Soviet kind of attitude towards propaganda: nobody cares what everybody else
really thinks as long as everybody continues to pretend to believe the official propaganda.
..."
"... Ever since the Neocons overthrew Trump and made him what is colloquially referred to as
their "bitch" the US foreign policy has come to a virtual standstill. ..."
"... Because, and make no mistake here, if the US cannot get anything constructive done any
more, they retain a huge capability to disrupt, subvert, create chaos and the like. ..."
"... However, the US themselves are now the prime victim of a decapitated Presidency and a
vindictive and generally out of control Neocon effort to prevent true American patriots to "get
their country back" (as they say) and finally overthrow the regime in Washington DC. ..."
Notable quotes:
"... Since when did Trump become an expert on political science and world history anyway? Who does he think he is lecturing? Yet another US middle school classroom?! Does he not realize that a good number of the countries represented at the UN consider themselves Socialist?! Furthermore, while I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that Socialist and Communist ideas have often been a disaster in the 20th century, Socialism in the 21st century is an entirely different beast and the jury is still very much out on this issue, especially when considering the social, political, economic, ecological, psychological and even spiritual disaster Capitalism is now proving to be for much of the planet. Being the President of a country as dysfunctional as the US, Trump would be well-advised to tone down his arrogant pontifications about Socialism and maybe even open a book and read about it. ..."
"... we all know who Trump's puppet-masters are nowadays so we know what to expect ..."
"... Trump is now clearly fully endorsing that fairytale that "The West" (in which Trump now hilariously includes Poland!) has defeated Hitler and saved the world. The truth is that the Nazis were defeated by the Soviets and that all the efforts of the Poles, French, Brits and even Americans were but a minor (20% max) sideshow to the "real event" (Those who still might believe in this nonsense can simply read this ). Yet again, that the Americans would feel the need to appropriate for themselves somebody else's victory is, yet again, a clear sign of weakness. Do they expect the rest of the planet to buy into this nonsense? Probably not. ..."
"... My guess is that all they want is to send a clear messages to the Comprador elites running most countries that this is the "official ideology of the AngloZionist Empire" and if they want to remain in power they better toe the line even if nobody takes this stuff seriously. Yup, back to a 1980s Soviet kind of attitude towards propaganda: nobody cares what everybody else really thinks as long as everybody continues to pretend to believe the official propaganda. ..."
"... Ever since the Neocons overthrew Trump and made him what is colloquially referred to as their "bitch" the US foreign policy has come to a virtual standstill. ..."
"... Because, and make no mistake here, if the US cannot get anything constructive done any more, they retain a huge capability to disrupt, subvert, create chaos and the like. ..."
"... However, the US themselves are now the prime victim of a decapitated Presidency and a vindictive and generally out of control Neocon effort to prevent true American patriots to "get their country back" (as they say) and finally overthrow the regime in Washington DC. ..."
"... It appears that for the foreseeable future Trump will continue to focus his energy on beating Obama for the status of "worst President in US history" while the Neocons will continue to focus their energy on trying to impeach Trump ..."
"... I still maintain that the worst President in history (excluding possibly Woodrow Wilson) was Bill Clinton (strongly influenced, no doubt, by Hillary.) Sure, the 90′s were a great time in America, but Clinton's evil actions (signing NAFTA, the Crime Bill, ignoring Bin Laden, and repealing Glass-Steagall to name just a few) had not yet come to fruition. ..."
"... Consider that the scene he bought into is the product of 70 years of constant propaganda aimed at the American psyche and how successful that has been. ..."
"... Hillary would not have done anything different than Trump. Trump is a dumb shit sycophant of the Deep State just like Hillary. ..."
"... "Step by step the US is getting closer to a civil war" That pretty much says it all. All it will take is for US troops to get an unexpected butt kicking somewhere, sometime. ..."
Late this morning, outraged emails started pouring in. My correspondents reported "getting
sick" and having their "heart ache". The cause of all that? They had just watched Trump's
speech at the UN...
You can read the full (rush, not official) text
here or watch the video here .
Most of it is so vapid that I won't even bother posting the full thing. But there are a few
interesting moments including those:
"We will be spending almost $700 billion on our military and defense. Our military will
soon be the strongest it has ever been"
This short sentence contains the key to unlock the reason behind the fact that while the US
military is extremely good at killing people in large numbers, it is also extremely bad at
winning wars. Like most Americans, Trump is under the illusion that spending a lot of money
"buys" you a better military. This is completely false, of course. If spending money was the
key to a competent military force, the US armed forces would have already conquered the entire
planet many times over. In reality, they have not won anything meaningful since the war in the
Pacific.
...then he suddenly decided to share this outright bizarre insight of his:
The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that
socialism has been faithfully implemented. From the Soviet Union to Cuba to Venezuela,
wherever true socialism or communism has been adopted, it has delivered anguish and
devastation and failure.
Since when did Trump become an expert on political science and world history anyway? Who
does he think he is lecturing? Yet another US middle school classroom?! Does he not realize
that a good number of the countries represented at the UN consider themselves Socialist?!
Furthermore, while I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that Socialist and Communist
ideas have often been a disaster in the 20th century, Socialism in the 21st century is an
entirely different beast and the jury is still very much out on this issue, especially when
considering the social, political, economic, ecological, psychological and even spiritual
disaster Capitalism is now proving to be for much of the planet. Being the President of a
country as dysfunctional as the US, Trump would be well-advised to tone down his arrogant
pontifications about Socialism and maybe even open a book and read about it.
I won't even bother discussing the comprehensively counter-factual nonsense Trump has spewed
about Iran and Hezbollah, we all know who Trump's puppet-masters are nowadays so we know
what to expect . Instead, I will conclude with this pearl from The Donald:
In remembering the great victory that led to this body's founding, we must never forget
that those heroes who fought against evil, also fought for the nations that they love.
Patriotism led the Poles to die to save Poland, the French to fight for a free France, and
the Brits to stand strong for Britain.
Echoing the nonsense he spoke while in Poland, Trump is now clearly fully endorsing that
fairytale that "The West" (in which Trump now hilariously includes Poland!) has defeated Hitler
and saved the world. The truth is that the Nazis were defeated by the Soviets and that all the
efforts of the Poles, French, Brits and even Americans were but a minor (20% max) sideshow to
the "real event" (Those who still might believe in this nonsense can simply read this ). Yet
again, that the Americans would feel the need to appropriate for themselves somebody else's
victory is, yet again, a clear sign of weakness. Do they expect the rest of the planet to buy
into this nonsense? Probably not.
My guess is that all they want is to send a clear messages to the Comprador elites
running most countries that this is the "official ideology of the AngloZionist Empire" and if
they want to remain in power they better toe the line even if nobody takes this stuff
seriously. Yup, back to a 1980s Soviet kind of attitude towards propaganda: nobody cares what
everybody else really thinks as long as everybody continues to pretend to believe the official
propaganda.
[Sidebar: When my wife and I watched this pathetic speech we starting laughing about the
fact that Trump was so obscenely bad that we (almost) begin to miss Obama. This is a standing
joke in our family because when Obama came to power we (almost) began to miss Dubya. The
reason why this is a joke is that when Dubya came to power we decided that there is no way
anybody could possibly be worse than him. Oh boy where we wrong! Right now I am still not at
the point were I would be missing Obama (that is asking for a lot from me!), but I will
unapologetically admit that I am missing Dubya. I do. I really do. Maybe not the people
around Dubya, he is the one who truly let the Neocon "crazies in the basement" creep out and
occupy the Situation Room, but at least Dubya seemed to realize how utterly incompetent he
was. Furthermore, Dubya was a heck of a lot dumber than Obama (in this context being stupid
is a mitigating factor) and he sure did not have the truly galactic arrogance of Trump
(intelligence-wise they are probably on par)].
In conclusion, what I take away from this speech is a sense of relief for the rest of the
planet and a sense of real worry for the US. Ever since the Neocons overthrew Trump and
made him what is colloquially referred to as their "bitch" the US foreign policy has come to a
virtual standstill. Sure, the Americans talk a lot, but at least they are doing nothing.
That paralysis, which is a direct consequence of the internal infighting, is a blessing for the
rest of the planet because it allows everybody else to get things done. Because, and make
no mistake here, if the US cannot get anything constructive done any more, they retain a huge
capability to disrupt, subvert, create chaos and the like.
But for as long as the US remains paralyzed this destructive potential remains mostly unused
(and no matter how bad things look now, Hillary President would have been infinitely worse!).
However, the US themselves are now the prime victim of a decapitated Presidency and a
vindictive and generally out of control Neocon effort to prevent true American patriots to "get
their country back" (as they say) and finally overthrow the regime in Washington DC.
Step by step the US is getting closer to a civil war and there is no hope in sight, at least
for the time being. It appears that for the foreseeable future Trump will continue to focus
his energy on beating Obama for the status of "worst President in US history" while the Neocons
will continue to focus their energy on trying to impeach Trump , and maybe even trigger a
civil war. The rest of us living here are in for some very tough times ahead. As they say in
Florida when a hurricane comes barreling down on you "hunker down!".
Netanyahu has spoken, stating that Trump has given the boldest, most courageous UN speech
that he has ever heard. Well that settles that with the prescient oracle rendering his
definitive and omnipotent judgment!
A lot of old friends didn't like President Trump's UN speech today because it didn't
break cleanly with UniParty foreign policy! E.g. Paul Craig Roberts' comments here. But
it did contain these revolutionary comments on immigration and refugee policy ! The
latter especially significant because Trump has to set the quota for U.S. quota for
refugees (actually expedited, subsidized, politically favored immigrants) in the next few
days. Who knows what Trump will do! But Hillary would never even have said it
[...] For the cost of resettling one refugee in the United States, we can assist more than 10
in their home region.
[...] For decades, the United States has dealt with migration challenges here in the Western
Hemisphere. We have learned that, over the long term, uncontrolled migration is deeply
unfair to both the sending and the receiving countries.
For the sending countries, it reduces domestic pressure to pursue needed political
and economic reform, and drains them of the human capital necessary to motivate and
implement those reforms.
For the receiving countries, the substantial costs of uncontrolled migration are
borne overwhelmingly by low-income citizens whose concerns are often ignored by both media
and government.
I still maintain that the worst President in history (excluding possibly Woodrow
Wilson) was Bill Clinton (strongly influenced, no doubt, by Hillary.) Sure, the 90′s
were a great time in America, but Clinton's evil actions (signing NAFTA, the Crime Bill,
ignoring Bin Laden, and repealing Glass-Steagall to name just a few) had not yet come to
fruition.
Assuming the keen political insight Trump exhibited to get himself the job he sought still
exists, perhaps all this insane blather is proof it continues. Consider that the scene he
bought into is the product of 70 years of constant propaganda aimed at the American psyche
and how successful that has been.
Then imagine Trump feeding the ravenous American mindset for the status quo while actually
working around it. Brilliant! Then again, if he truly means what he says, all is lost.
Thank you Stephen Miller! He must be reading Peter Singer:
International support for countries bearing the greatest refugee burden also makes economic
sense: it costs Jordan about €3,000 ($3,350) to support one refugee for a year; in
Germany, the cost is at least €12,000.
Another threat to the Church is the illegal immigration control movement. If this movement
succeeds, and what is perceived by Latin Americans and other governments as an escape valve
is shut off, these governments would logically say, "Our demographic course cannot
continue." These governments would have little choice but to confront the Church and say,
"If we are to survive as governments, then we must get serious about population growth
control. Otherwise, we in Latin America are destined to become a sea of chaos. We, as Latin
Americans, must make family planning and abortion services fully available and encourage
their use." Turning off the valve to illegal immigration is therefore a serious threat to
the power of the Church.
President Trump's Message: Make The United Nations Great
In fact, he's strengthened our alliances in meetings in Washington with key allies, by
going to foreign capitals - the trip to France and the Bastille Day with America's
oldest ally, with which the United States has in recent years had something of a rocky
relationship – was strengthened enormously by that visit to Paris this year. And
the president has, you know, both on a personal level and on an alliance level, really
strengthened the alliance with France and with President Macron. In fact, he met with
him yesterday and had a very, extremely positive and friendly meeting where they talked
substantive business, but they also talked about the history of the alliance and reminisced
a bit about the grandeur of that trip to Paris in July.
The French president's suggestion that African women are breeding like animals and must
be restrained by an enlightened elite awakens primordial terrors in the hearts of the
mainstream Left and Right.
[...]
If Europeans are replaced with Africans, Western Civilization will disappear. The choices
are simple: The West, yes or no? The white race, yes or no? Our rulers have exhausted all
other options.
Peter Singer on How Political Correctness Let African Population Growth Run Amok for a
Generation
The outrage evoked by Macron's remark, however, appears to have little to do with its
inaccuracy. Macron violated a taboo that has been in place since the International
Conference on Population and Development, held under the auspices of the UN in Cairo in
1994. The conference adopted a Programme of Action that rejected a demographically driven
approach to population policies, and instead focused on meeting the reproductive-health
needs of individuals, especially women. Population targets were out; rights were in.
Don't lose hope
[...]
I shared this video here at the Unz Review before, but I would like to share it again,
because it best encapsulates and captures what I personally associate with term "Alt
Right"
"Step by step the US is getting closer to a civil war" That pretty much says it all.
All it will take is for US troops to get an unexpected butt kicking somewhere,
sometime.
Churchill himself, one of a long list of Anglo-genocidal killers (according to The Saker's
last post) admitted that, "The Red Army tore the guts out of The Wehrmacht." Is this even in
dispute?
In Russian thinking therefore, with only 20% contribution by American/UK Commonwealth
forces, we subtract that, and this is the diplomatic question. Why would Stalin's T34s not
have rolled up to The English Channel and installed compliant Communist regimes in
France/Belgium/Holland as they did in Eastern Europe?
They did the same in North Korea by installing the grandfather (Kim Il-Sung) of this young
'Rocket Man' in 1945 at the conclusion of the fighting against Japan in the far-east.
"... There is no indication that Bolton was aware that Cambridge Analytica was exploiting the personal data of tens of millions of Facebook users -- but he was certainly aware that it was using an extensive trove of personal data to target voters ..."
"... What Bolton was paying Cambridge Analytica to do is, perhaps, more damning than his use of the shady data firm. "The Bolton PAC was obsessed with how America was becoming limp wristed and spineless and it wanted research and messaging for national security issues," Wylie told the Times . "That really meant making people more militaristic in their worldview," he added. ..."
"... "That's what they said they wanted, anyway." Cambridge Analytica produced fear-mongering advertisements aimed at drumming up support for Bolton and other hawkish Republicans. The relationship between the firm and the Super PAC grew "so close that the firm was writing up talking points" for Bolton after only a few months of collaboration. ..."
Speaking at CPAC in 2017, John Bolton boasted that his Super
PAC's implementation of "advanced psychographic data" would help elect "filibuster majorities"
in 2018. According to a New York Times
report published on Friday, Bolton's Super PAC paid $1.2 million to Cambridge Analytica,
the British firm that has come under scrutiny for its misuse of Facebook data to influence
voters. Bolton's Super PAC, moreover, was heavily funded by the Mercer family, who gave
millions to Cambridge Analytica during the 2016 presidential campaign.
There is no indication that Bolton was aware that Cambridge Analytica was exploiting the
personal data of tens of millions of Facebook users -- but he was certainly aware that it was
using an extensive trove of personal data to target voters. "The data and modeling Bolton's PAC
received was derived from the Facebook data," Christopher Wylie, the co-founder of Cambridge Analytica turned whistleblower, told the Times . "We definitely told them about how we
were doing it. We talked about it in conference calls, in meetings."
What Bolton was paying Cambridge Analytica to do is, perhaps, more damning than his use of
the shady data firm. "The Bolton PAC was obsessed with how America was becoming limp wristed
and spineless and it wanted research and messaging for national security issues," Wylie told
the Times . "That really meant making people more militaristic in their worldview," he
added.
"That's what they said they wanted, anyway." Cambridge Analytica produced fear-mongering
advertisements aimed at drumming up support for Bolton and other hawkish Republicans. The
relationship between the firm and the Super PAC grew "so close that the firm was writing up
talking points" for Bolton after only a few months of collaboration.
"... Just yesterday Pieter Hoekstra, USA ambassador in the Netherlands, stated that Russia should be punished for MH17 by more sanctions, no new gas pipeline from Russia to Germany. What he did not say that this implies our buying of USA gas, 20% more expensive. The MH17 show, in my opinion is run like the Sept 11 show. Or even the holocaust show, constant reminders. ..."
"... The USA fear about Russia and the EU member states seems to be twofold: (1) more trade with Russia makes subjugation of Russia impossible; (2) more trade with Russia, and the railway connections with China, threaten to turn the USA into an economic backwater ..."
Antony C. Sutton, ´Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution', 1974 New Rochelle, N.Y.
describes how Wall Street supported bolshevism in order to prevent that German, suppose also Dutch and other, trade, with Russia
was resumed.
WWII and the aftermath created the Atlantic alliance.
Just yesterday Pieter Hoekstra, USA ambassador in the Netherlands, stated that Russia should be punished for MH17 by more
sanctions, no new gas pipeline from Russia to Germany. What he did not say that this implies our buying of USA gas, 20% more expensive.
The MH17 show, in my opinion is run like the Sept 11 show. Or even the holocaust show, constant reminders.
The USA fear about Russia and the EU member states seems to be twofold: (1) more trade with Russia makes subjugation of
Russia impossible; (2) more trade with Russia, and the railway connections with China, threaten to turn the USA into an economic
backwater
Another column by Girardi disconnected from reality and full of his bête noir, the
neocons.
Russia has long been a colonial power. It simply expanded into its near abroad and has
remained an empire in spite of the dissolution of the Tsarist/Soviet empire. Putin is just
another thug that has imperial desires and is willing to steal his people blind to realize
them. As a result, corruption runs rampant and the oligarchs enrich themselves at the expense
of the Russian people who have, historically, simply been sheep.
I haven't seen any hatred that Giraldi imagines, but I have seen fear in Putin's
neighbors, and concern in those who aren't nearby who hate to see people oppressed by thugs
like Putin. Putin has invaded Ukraine, stealing the Crimea, and attempting to gain a land
bridge by backing a fake revolt in the Donbas with Russian troops, mercenaries, and
equipment.
Putin is just another thug that has imperial desires and is willing to steal his people
blind to realize them.
Other than reliable sources like John Brennan, James Clapper, the New York Times
and the Washington Post , I presume you have evidence to share of this
Putin has invaded Ukraine,
and this.
stealing the Crimea
Two referenda are "stealing"?
a fake revolt in the Donbas with Russian troops, mercenaries, and equipment.
Well, the dead people in Donbas, and their families, would probably disagree it was fake,
particularly since the victim of the US coup d'etat (with its mercenaries) and rightful
President of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovich, was from Donbas. As for the allegations of Russian
troops and equipment, I return to my request for evidence.
The mystique of the European Union is anti-nationalism, based on the theory that "nations"
are bad because they caused the devastating wars of the twentieth century, while European
unification is the sole guarantee of "peace". Convinced of their mission, the Eurocentrists
have had no qualms in throwing out the baby of democratic choice along with the nationalist
bathwater.
The notion that "peace" depends on "Europe" persists despite the NATO bombing of Serbia and
European participation in U.S. wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, not to mention EU
participation in the current major military buildup in the Baltic States against "the Russian
enemy". Indeed, thanks to NATO, the EU is gearing for a war even worse than the previous
ones.
Since the "nation-state" is blamed for evil in the world, the Eurocentrists react with
horror at growing demands in Member States for a return to "national sovereignty". This,
however, is a natural reaction to the economic and social disasters resulting from policies
dictated by EU institutions in Brussels. The 1992 Maastricht Treaty legally bound member
countries to centralized neoliberal monetarist policies; not only "socialism" became illegal
– even Keynesianism was ruled out. Promised endless peace and prosperity, citizens of
European countries were cajoled into giving up their sovereignty to EU institutions, and many
now want it back.
Disillusioned Italy
Italian disillusion is particularly significant. Italy was an exceptionally enthusiastic
founding member of the unification begun with the 1957 Treaty of Rome. And yet, Italy's own
history illustrates what can go wrong with such unification, since the 19 th century
political creation of a unified Italy centered in Turin led to the enrichment of the industrial
north at the expense of southern Italy, where the splendor of Naples declined into chronic
poverty, crime and corruption. Now Italy is "the south", in the periphery of a European Union
centered around Germany.
Antagonism between North and South Italy has given way to a much stronger antagonism between
Italy and Germany – each blaming the other for the crisis.
It is only fair to recall that Germans were very attached to their Deutsche Mark and to
their own austere financial policies. Germany could only be lured into the common currency by
agreeing to let the euro follow German rules. France eagerly supported this concession based on
the notion that the common currency would unify Europe. It is doing quite the opposite.
Germany is a major exporting nation. Its trade with the rest of the EU is secondary. It uses
the EU as its hinterland as it competes and trades on the global scale with China, the United
States and the rest of the world. The proceeds of Germany's favorable EU trade balance is less
and less invested in those countries but in Germany itself or outside the EU. In the official
German view, the main function of the Southern EU members is to pay back their debts to
Germany.
Meanwhile, Italy's once flourishing industrial network has lost its competitive edge due to
the euro. It cannot save its exports by devaluation, as it was accustomed to doing. Italy's
debt is now 132% of its GNP, whereas the Maastricht Treaty governing the monetary union puts a
ceiling of 60% on national debt. And to continue paying the debt, public services are cut back,
the middle class is impoverished, the domestic market declines and the economy gets even
weaker.
This is precisely the situation that has plunged Greece into ever deepening poverty.
But Italy is not Greece. Greece is a small peripheral country, which can be pounded to death
by creditors as a warning of what can happen to others. Italy, on the contrary, is too big to
fail. Its collapse could bring the whole EU crashing down.
Italy's Potential Strength Through Weakness
The traditional Italian parties had no solution beyond those that have ruined Greece: cut
back social spending, impoverish workers and pensioners, and pay back the foreign banks, with
interest.
The odd coalition of the League and the M5S was obliged to try something different:
basically, to invest in the economy rather than abandon it to its creditors. Their program
combines lower taxes with Keynesian stimulation of investment. Since the leader of the League,
Matteo Salvini, and Luigi Di Maio of M5S do not like each other, they selected law professor
Giuseppe Conte to be Prime Minister in their coalition cabinet. The interesting choice was that
of Paolo Savona for the key post of Minister of Economy and Finance. Savona, whose long career
has taken him across the summits of Italian and international finance, was certainly the most
qualified choice imaginable. Savona knows everything there is to know about the Italian economy
and international currency creation.
And yet, it was the appointment of this 81-year-old expert that created outrage in the
Eurocenter.
The uproar was spurred by the fact that in one of his books Savona had described the euro as
"a German prison". Savona had also said it was necessary to prepare a Plan B, to leave the euro
if there is no other choice. "The alternative is to end up like Greece."
This hint of disloyalty to the euro was totally unacceptable to the European
establishment.
The Center struck back in the person of the largely figurehead President of Italy, Sergio
Mattarella, who used, or misused, his unique constitutional power by refusing to approve the
government. On May 28, he designated as Prime Minister Carlo Cottarelli of the International
Monetary Fund – a man who represented everything the Italians had just voted against.
Known in Italy as "Mr. Scissors" for his advocacy of drastic government spending cuts,
Cottarelli was supposed to run an apolitical "technical" government until new elections could
be held in the fall.
This coup against the Italian voters caused momentary rejoicing in the Authoritarian Center.
The European Budget Commissioner (a German of course), Günther Oettinger, was reported to
be gloating over the prospect that "the markets" (meaning the financial markets) would soon
teach Italians how to vote. Italy's economy "could be so drastically impacted", he said, as to
send a signal to voters "not to vote for populists on the right and left."
This simply intensified Italian indignation against "German arrogance".
Meanwhile Savona wrote a letter to President Mattarella which introduced a bit of cold
reason into an increasingly hysterical situation. He reminded the president that an important
meeting of EU heads of state was to be held at the end of June; without a political government,
Italy would be absent from negotiations which could seal the fate of the EU. Italy's plea for
economic change could expect French support. Savona denied having called for leaving the euro;
in the spirit of game strategy, he had mentioned the need for Plan B in order to strengthen
one's position before negotiations. He made it clear that his strategy was not to leave the
euro but to transform it into a genuine rival to the dollar.
"Germany prevents the euro from becoming 'an essential part of foreign policy', as the
dollar is for the United States", wrote Savona. But change becomes necessary, as the dollar is
less and less suitable for its role as world currency.
Indeed, the Italian crisis merges with a mounting trans-Atlantic crisis, the U.S. uses
sanctions as a weapon in competition with its European "partners". The paradox is that Italy
could use its very weakness to oblige Germany to reconsider its monetary policy in a moment
when the German economy is also facing problems due to U.S. sanctions on deals with Russia and
Iran, as well as protectionist measures. Savona's message was that clever diplomacy could work
to Italy's advantage. In its own interest, Germany may need to accept transformation of the
euro into a more proactive currency, able to defend European economies from U.S.
manipulation.
It was a matter of hours before Cottarella stepped back and a new M5S-League government was
formed, with Savona himself back as Minister of Relations with the European Union.
Italy's Double Jeopardy
The new Italian cabinet sworn in on June first is riven with contradictions. Despite all the
released anti-EU sentiment, it is definitely not an "anti-EU" government. Conte is back as
Prime Minister. The new foreign minister, Enzo Moavero Milnesi, is a staunch pro-European. As
Interior Minister, the northern Italy chauvinist Salvini – who doesn't even care
particularly for Southern Italians – will get tough with migrants. As Minister of
Economic Development, Di Maio will try to find ways improve conditions in the southern regions
that elected him. Since Salvini is the more experienced of the two, the League is likely to
profit from the experiment more than the M5S.
Some Italians warn that by leaving the "German prison" Italy would simply find itself even
more dependent on the United States.
One should never forget that ever since the end of World War II, Italy is an occupied
country, with dozens of U.S. military bases on its territory, including air bases with nuclear
weapons poised to strike the Middle East, Africa or even Russia. The Italian Constitution
outlaws participation in aggressive war, and yet Italian bases are freely used by the United
States to bomb whichever country it pleases, regardless of how Italians feel about it. Worst of
all, the U.S. used its Italian "NATO bases" to destroy Libya, a disaster for Italy which
thereby lost a valuable trade partner and found itself inundated with African refugees and
migrants. While international financial experts exhort Italy to cut government expenses, the
country is obliged by NATO to spend around 13 billion euros to buy 90 U.S. F-35 fighters and to
increase its military spending to around 100 million euros per day.
Italy's economic prospects have been badly hit by U.S.-enforced sanctions against trade with
Russia and Iran, important potential energy sources.
U.S. economic aggression, in particular Trump's rejection of the Iranian nuclear deal, is
the issue with the potential to bring European leaders together at a time when they were
drifting apart. But at present, the Europeans are unable to defy U.S. sanctions in punishment
for trade with those countries because their international dealings are in dollars. This has
already led to U.S. exacting billions of dollars in fines from the biggest French and German
banks, the BNP and Deutsche Bank, for trading that was perfectly legal under their own laws.
The French petroleum giant has been obliged to abandon contracts with Iran because 90% of its
trade is in dollars, and thus vulnerable to U.S. sanctions. And that is why the idea is growing
of building financial instruments around the euro that can protect European companies from U.S.
retaliation. [2] See Wolfgang
Münchau, "The euro must be made more robust to rival the dollar; US sanctions expose the
mistakes made by the founders of the single currency", The Financial Times, 27 May, 2018.
https://www.ft.com/content/ca8c6826-5f76-11e8-ad91-e...56df68
The Disappearance of the Left
The disappearance of left political forces has been almost total in Italy. There are many
reasons for this, but a curable part of the problem has been the inability of what remains of
the left to face up to the two main current issues: Europe and immigration.
The left has so thoroughly transformed its traditional internationalism into Europism that
it has been unable to recognize EU institutions and regulations as a major source of its
problems. The stigmatization of "the nation" as aggressively nationalistic has held back left
ability to envisage and advocate progressive policies at the national level, instead putting
its hopes forever in a future hypothetical "social Europe". Such a transformation would require
unanimity under EU rules – politically impossible with 28 widely differing Member
States.
Without such inhibitions, the far right capitalizes on growing discontent.
Another related handicap of the left is its inability to recognize that mass immigration is
indeed "a problem" – especially in a country like Italy, with a flagging economy and 20%
official unemployment (although this figure is probably too high, considering undeclared
labor). There is resentment that prosperous Germany issued a general invitation to refugees,
which for geographic reasons pile in Mediterranean countries unable to cope. The mass influx of
economic migrants from Africa is not even "taking jobs away from" Italians – the jobs are
not there to take. These migrants fled war and misery to come to Europe in order to earn money
to send back to their families, but how can they meet possibly meet these expectations?
It is all very well to extol the glorious hospitality of America entreating the world to "
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched
refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me ". Such
generosity was suited to a new nation with huge empty spaces and rapidly growing industry in
need of a work force. The situation of a "full" nation in a time of economic downturn is quite
different. What is to become of the tens of thousands of vigorous young men arriving on Italian
shores where there is nothing for them to do except sell African trinkets on the sidewalks of
tourist centers? To make matters worse, the great contemporary thrust of technical innovation
aims at replacing more and more workers with robots. Leftist denial of the problem leaves its
exploitation and resolution to the extreme right.
Some leftist politicians in Italy, such as Stefano Fassina of the Sinistra Italiana
are waking up to this need. A left that dogmatically ignores the real concerns of the people is
doomed. A bold, honest, imaginative left is needed to champion Italians' independence from both
German-imposed austerity and the expensive military adventurism demanded by the United States.
But the interlaced problems created by unregulated globalization do not lend themselves to easy
solutions.
Notes
[1] David Adler,
"Centrists Are the Most Hostile to Democracy, Not Extremists", The New York Times, May 23,
2018.
Italy's primary problem is not the euro per se. It isn't even the much talked about
"proliferagacy". Italy has in fact run a primary surplus for most of the last 20 years
(primary surplus is the government budgetary balance sans interest payments). Italy's main
problem is the disastrous lack of productivity.
Its per capita productivity growth has actually declined by 0.1% the last 20 years,
versus around 0.7% positive growth for Germany and 0.6% for France. What explains this?
Supply side factors. Italy has many large-scale firms which are world-class. This leads a
naïve observer to conclude that the problem lies elsewhere.
Scratch the surface a little bit, and you'll find that the main problem for Italy is in
the SME sector. The comparison with the German Mittelstand is relevant here. Though many
German firms are still family-owned, they nevertheless have a significant amount of
meritocracy. Family scions frequently take on more ceremonial roles if they can find a
competent outsider to run large parts of the company. By contrast, Italian SMEs are much more
nepotistic. Italy also has far less labour mobility, meaning that the potential pool
of labour that a local company can draw from is quite limited.
There is therefore no easy solution. Devaluation is not a panacea. Italy is running a
current account surplus already. Their problem is lack of growth, which in turn is rooted in
supply-side factors.
There's a good paper by Luigi Zingales of University of Chicago (himself an Italian) as
you can surmise. He writes a lot of what I've outlined in greater detail if anyone is
interested in diving deeper:
The take-away is that there is no simple solution, Italy's problems are deep, structural
and tied to their social organisation. Devaluation, while tempting, would not fix these
issues and given that Italy is already running a current account surplus, it is hard to make
the case for one. Their exports is already competitive. Their debt problem stems from lack of
growth, not persistent budget deficits (mostly running a primary surplus for past few
decades).
Just to illustrate the point about the myth of 'profligate' Italy.
The problem is lack of growth, not lack of fiscal discpline. And the lack of growth is
rooted in deeply entrenched supply-side structural patterns, which changing the currency (or
letting it devalue) will do nothing to fix.
The interesting thing is that it is in Italy the same as in France, both what is called
extreme left, Mélenchon, and extreme right, Marine le Pen, are against the EU.
In the first round of the presidential elections Mélenchon and Le Pen together got 40%
of the votes.
In Italy now what is called extreme left and extreme right together formed a government.
Brussels fears for the euro.
They're quite right, the southern European countries, including France, have a long histories
of solving economic problems by devaluation, made impossible by the euro.
As the retired German sociologist Seeckt, retired men can speak their minds, says 'the big
mistake of the EU was (and is, my opinion) that the northern EU countries said to the
southern "become like us" '.
Cultures change very slowly, in France traces of the Louis XIV reign can still be found, a
love of bureaucracy.
In about 1973 an Italian consultant said to me 'there is only one way to solve our
problems, sell our civil servants for what they cost, and buy them back for what they're
worth'.
World Values Survey results indicate that in Europe and the United States, people who
describe themselves as "centrist" on the average have less attachment to democracy (e.g.
free and fair elections) that those on the left, and even those on the far right
I find this article sort of weird. And the above statement is based on this -- ->David
Adler, "Centrists Are the Most Hostile to Democracy, Not Extremists", The New York Times, May
23, 2018
Which is based on this -- -> http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSDocumentationWV6.jsp
And theses questions: ..which are totally sloppy. For instance question V138. 'People obey
their rulers. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10.' is a ridiculous kindergarten question. A 'serious'
question on the value of democracy would have been "People obey the (rule of) law", not
'rulers'. Sorry, this is junk in which evidently those who didnt go for 1 or 2 or 9 or 10
were categorized as centrist and you and Adler somehow interpreted that as the problem.
Then you proceed to say .."Leftist denial of the problem leaves its exploitation and
resolution to the extreme right.'
And that .'A bold, honest, imaginative left is needed to champion Italians' independence from
both German-imposed austerity and the expensive military adventurism demanded by the United
States. '
So what is your point? .That 'centrist' should move to the left to solve your
problems?
The survey questions:
[MORE]
"I'm going to describe various types of political systems and ask what you think about
each as a way of
governing this country. For each one, would you say it is a very good, fairly good, fairly
bad or very bad
way of governing this country? (Read out and code one answer for each):
Very
good
Fairly
good
Fairly
bad
Very bad
V127. Having a strong leader who does not have to bother with parliament and elections
1
2
3
4
V128. Having experts, not government, make decisions
according to what they think is best for the country
1
2
3
4
V129. Having the army rule
1
2
3
4
V130. Having a democratic political system
1
2
3
4
(Show Card T)
Many things are desirable, but not all of them are essential characteristics of democracy.
Please tell me for
each of the following things how essential you think it is as a characteristic of
democracy. Use this scale
where 1 means "not at all an essential characteristic of democracy" and 10 means it
definitely is "an
essential characteristic of democracy" (read out and code one answer for each):
Not an essential An essential
characteristic characteristic
of democracy of democracy
V131. Governments tax the rich and subsidize the poor. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
V132. Religious authorities ultimately interpret the laws. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
V133. People choose their leaders in free elections. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
V134. People receive state aid for unemployment. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
V135. The army takes over when government is incompetent. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
V136. Civil rights protect people from state oppression. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
V137. The state makes people's incomes equal. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
V138. People obey their rulers. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
V139 Women have the same rights as men.
Good analysis of the reasons the left has declined. I do not see them changing course, but
rather doubling down. In Spain, Podemos wants to have universal basic income (or something
close to it) AND open borders
For a generation, acceptance of the neoliberal doctrine "there is no alternative" has
paralyzed politics in the West. If there is no alternative, what is politics to be
about?
What is politics to be about? Why, tranny bathrooms, of course!
Not being any kind of an economist and in general mistrusting economy as a wannabe science, I
would just take a compass, find the economic center point of EU and draw a circle. Whatever
is far from the center will face problems because in unification the center develops faster
than the outskirts. The traditional solution to this dilemma is to have borders (no
unification) since borders create a micro-economy that can function in its limits (better
than outskirts of an unified economy) just like animal species can survive if there are
natural barriers but removing them many species die out. Another alternative is to pack your
bags and move closer to the center.
I agree with much of this. But a quibble when you say that the EU was created out of a desire
to remove the evil of nationalism and create peace. That's the lipstick on the pig. The EU
was and is entirely devoted to boosting the profits of the super-rich, and putting big
finance in charge. The push against nationalism has nothing to do with peace, and only
because nationalism will tend to fight against the strip-mining of a society for profit. And
massive immigration was never a moral issue, neither today nor in the America of a century
ago. It was all about cheap labor and the massive profits that flow therefrom. Even with all
those resources, mass immigration in the United States at the end of the 19th and beginning
of the 20th centuries, created crushing poverty and a massive spike in crime. It was only
after the borders had been closed, after the shock of the Wall Street crash in 1929 (no, NOT
1924), and there was an immigration time-out, that America developed its prosperous middle
class. Which hurt profits for the rich, which is why it is being rolled back
LOL. Yes, there's a wedge issue a thinking man can sink his teeth into.
SCOTUS just reignited another one by surprisingly getting a case right, 7-2, in finding
for religious liberty and the baker who didn't want to do a wedding cake for poofters. I seem
to recall Tucker Carlson feeling the wrath and fury of all MSM for daring to suggest that the
baker had a legitimate constitutional issue.
Breyer and Kagan voted with the Republican/goy majority. Kagan, of course, regularly gets
offered up as the embodiment of in-your-face liberal-feminist-Jewish rule, but the couple of
opinions I've read by her suggested a pretty good legal mind, possibly tempered by some
common sense.
In any case, yes, identity politics provide the MSM with all the wedge issue substance
needed for the American public discourse. Europe, however, may have some remaining
expectations of adult content.
These "problems" are 100% within the context of the neoliberal consensus. The idea that we
have to have 2-3% annual growth – forever – or the world will somehow be
devastatingly awful is not a very sound foundation for a Good life.
That fiscal discipline you speak of is a significant factor in Italy's lack of growth.
Furthermore, it was designed and implemented for precisely that reason.
Their (Italy's) problem is lack of growth, which in turn is rooted in supply-side
factors
That is a fallacy that lies at the heart of the current European crisis. (I agree with the
other things you wrote.). It is not the 'supply', but lacking demand that is constraining
growth. All supply and higher productivity solutions are based on more 'flexible' labor,
removal of barriers, including borders, more 'competition' in everything. That translates in
practise into working more for less .
It had worked initially in the 70′s to 90′s when the entrenched inefficiency
was the main issue. It hasn't worked in the last 10-15 years. Suggesting more 'supply and
higher productivity' reforms simply means doubling down on policies that are failing. What is
needed is a huge shift in the labor markets toward more demand for workers so they can
improve their work lives, raise incomes, create more economic security. What Europe (and
West in general) need is a very tight labor market. By all means, cut and simplify taxes,
abandon austerity, promote some inflation, but the main reform that is needed is to restrict
outside labor migration and simultaneously restrict outflow of work. That is explicitly anti
neo-liberalism, it is also at the heart of the populist appeal.
Left has completely lost its way with its inability to distinguish between its local
voters and the feel-good charity towards the rest of the world. They are in effect being used
by the most anti-left business interests to keep labor as cheap as possible. Power to
negotiate doesn't come from institutions – it comes from having a strong hand in the
labor demand-supply equation.
Given the left collapse, the future is with the nationalist political forces. Trump
understands it, so does Salvini, La Pen, Orban, The names might change, but unless democracy
is completely abolished the 'selfish', restrict cheap labor politicians will eventually
prevail.
Please help me understand the implications of your comment.
Are you implying support for government debt fuelled expenditures as in Greece before the
GFC – or Argentina time and again?
Are you really saying the EU's (?EZ's) fiscal discipline rules were designed so that Italy
(and maybe some and what other country?) would have lower growth in economic activity? If so
why? And designed and intended by what persons?
Lot of people still think Keynes is wrong because its used as an excuse to tax and spend.
He wasn't wrong about the fact that fiance matters. Neither was Kalecki and neither was
Irving Fischer wrong that fiance matters after figuring out his disastrous mistake. Even
Thomas Mun understood money needs to circulate. Seems like Europe thinks the idea's of the
Spanish empire are best. Hoard coin.
It seems to me that the issue boils down to this:
- Capitalism seeks to concentrate capital and maximize profits;
- Communism seeks to concentrate capital, albeit in a different form than capitalism and
minimize profits.
- Efficiency means low cost and/or poorly made, and competition is no longer local, its
global.
- Free trade has replace fair trade.
The economic system in place today is not sustainable. In the not so distant past,
products exported had to have an internal market, or they were considered "dumped" into the
market at artificially low prices. tariffs were imposed for dumping. Today, electronic
products, such as alarm clocks, which are made in Asia, are dumped into the American market.
The electrical systems in Asia are incompatible with the 110v 60hz system in the US.
Ice hockey equipment is made in that global ice hockey powerhouse, Mauritius, as are winter
parkas and mitts. Cars produced in Japan include models for export that would not fit on the
roads in Japan. The list of these types of productions is endless. De-regulation has produced
20th and 21st century sweatshops in areas like call-centres, which are fast becoming
off-shored.
Local and national producers have been eliminated due to ending import duties to protect
internal companies. The set up has shifted taxation on imported goods to income taxes and
business taxes.
The narrative says competition is good, and higher production means lower cost to the
consumer. That only works when the competition is on a level playing field, and I'm employed
to be able to buy what is on offer. As for consumer products, how many TVs or refrigerators
do I really need? Korea has the capacity to supply all of the world's automobiles. Over
supply is rampant.
So, who really benefits? Those who seek to concentrate the wealth, and have the capability
to transfer out of the country, the value of a smaller (economic) country's GDP, with the
push of a button. When it all collapses they'll be off on their private islands or hiding in
their bastions.
On another note, yes, Italy is occupied, but so is Germany. The current German government,
according to a 1956 Constitutional Court ruling is not the legitimate government of Germany.
The "Old" Reich i.e. Wiemar Republic is. Therefore, it is an occupation government of the
Allies.
As if we didn't understand that.
A lot of bad assumptions and conclusions in this article.
Matteo Salvini has been supported by the southerners as well as the northerners because he is
defending Italy and Italians from the Globalists and their hordes invading Italy and DiMaio
and the MS5 agree with him and gave him the Interior ministry to handle it. But he still gets
a lot of resistance from the controlled globalist press. Go Salvini!
And the problem is, that Italy lacks competitiveness on a global scale. It's a puppet-home
perspective (and zero-sum-reasoning) to argue, that German exports are the reason, that
Italin exports declined. – Look at delivery cars, for example. something now even
Italian customers by more and more in Asia (once, this was a quasi monopoly, because it was
just something everybody did, to buy Italian Vans. – Even that is eroding now. And look
at -look at what you want in Italy consumer products, industrial products,
Meanwhile, Italy's once flourishing industrial network has lost its competitive edge due
to the euro.
So – this is a complete hoax, in the end. Especially since Italy is drowned in cheap
money – except that most of it is not invested, nowadays, but used to pay – for
the pensions, for social security, for univeristies the Police
Meanwhile in rome: The local authorities tell the public, that there are "missing busses"
at RomaTransporti or however th correct name of thsi fabulous enterprise is. Story is true
though: There are at least dozens 8some say:Hundreds!) of buses, which exist only in the
paperwork
"The idea that we have to have 2-3% annual growth – forever – or the world
will somehow be devastatingly awful is not a very sound foundation for a Good life."
Growth in GDP per capita is sustainable provided excess population is disposed of, which,
historically, it always has been via conflict. A world without war and the sanctity of human
life are the ideas in opposition here.
Centrist is a focus group tested term used to hide what a Centrist actually is. Neither
Center Right nor Center Left has ANY ideology. A Centrist seeks/holds office to receive money
from rent seekers. Nothing else.
Bottom line, IMHO:
A good idea (EU) failed because power corrupts.
A bad idea (nationalism) is coming up. Won't be pretty, especially there.
As
Growth in GDP per capita is sustainable provided excess population is disposed of,
which, historically, it always has been via conflict. A world without war and the sanctity
of human life are the ideas in opposition here.
Nobody is willing, apparently, to address the real issue:
Automation, overproduction, mass of people not needed as workers/employers anymore.
The nature of (modern/future) work, DISTRIBUTION of produced good and services, organization
of such society, etc.
Nationalism is regression into known.
We need a change of a full paradigm. Pass too hard.
Looking at the mix of "people" and "leaders" I go for a decent bloodshed as the most
likely option, hopefully not within next 10 years.
Hopefully.
From what other authors say, and what seems far more reasonable, demand has collapsed
because the corporate locust is doing the same thing they are doing in America, namely
destroying the entire industrial base and leaving a wasteland of debt and unemployment. Add
to that an inability to have a monetary policy and it's game over:
Luca Cordero di Montezemolo, a former chairman of Ferrari, Fiat and Alitalia, and now a
public enemy because of his dismissal of the "Made in Italy" label, acquired both companies
and moved them to Turkey, choosing profit over quality -- and Italian jobs. Montezemolo, of
aristocratic background, is a champion of Italian neoliberalism, having founded the
influential "free market" think tank Italia Futura (Future Italy) in 2009.
"Capital osmosis" is well known fact in economic science, and it means that, inside one
limited area, profit always runs from the "lower capitally equipped" sides to higher ones.
That is the reason why countries always take the money from rich sides and give it to poorer
ones. The truth isn't that poor part of nation works less, or that is stupid or unorganized;
no, the truth is in that "osmosis".
"... Specifically, he quoted from American senator and historian Albert Beveridge who said in 1897 : ..."
"... It is an American question. It is a world question. Shall the American people continue their resistless march toward the commercial supremacy of the world? Shall free institutions broaden their blessed reign as the children of liberty wax in strength until the empire of our principles is established over the hearts of all mankind? ..."
"... That was a quote from the speech of a famous American senator, the entire speech is honestly quite frightening. It could literally be taken out of Mien Kampf had the references to America simply be changed to Germany. Later in the speech, it goes on to say : ..."
"... Has the Almighty Father endowed us with gifts beyond our deserts, and marked us as the people of His peculiar favor ..."
"... Fellow-Americans, we are God's chosen people .. ..."
"... We cannot retreat from any soil where Providence has unfurled our banner ; ..."
"... One of the most interesting observations Zhirinovsky had, was that exceptionalism seems to come from ignorance of the world, and it does seem that anti-intellectualism, identity politics, and a special lack of cultural awareness has helped create this concept. For example, the speech about exceptionalism does not mention the French or the British, because early American exceptionalism was in its roots, not a Trans-Atlantic idea. It was formed by Anti-Monarchist people, who believed it was their destiny to defy the world's traditions, and establish their own utopia. As a result, Americans do this day often instinctively believe in how many "rights" they have, and how "free" their country is, compared to the rest of the world. ..."
"... Americans think Europe is dirty, the world is filled with good for nothing barbarians, that they gained supremacy, and that the US is the Land of Milk and Honey, Cannan, a Big Israel. ..."
"... This is true. Many Americans genuinely feel that their country is so advanced and safe, whereas the rest of the world is scary and dangerous. This often wrong, and in actually dangerous places, like some countries the US invaded, they often only became dangerous AFTER America came, and brought freedom and democracy. ..."
"... They often say this completely ignorant of the fact that MANY countries have a higher living standard than the US. For example, the US is not even in the TOP 10 countries by living standards , compiled by this non-profit. According to the United Nations Human Development Index, the US is ONLY in the tenth place. ..."
"... American exceptionalism, according to Zhirinovsky, inspired Hitler, and we all know what he felt about other people's rights. ..."
Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (a popular
opposition party), appeared on the Russian evening news criticizing strongly American
exceptionalism. It is worth noting briefly that Zhirinovsky leads an opposition party, and was
the third most popular candidate in the Russian election.
Due to the fact he ran in the Russian election, he obviously ran against Putin, meaning
Zhirinovsky is NOT for the record, a Kremlinbot these are the words of an opposition candidate,
so the west should be careful what they wish for, when they wish for a different Russian
leader.
Amercian exceptionalism is perhaps the greatest issue plaguing the American consciousness,
and has been since the early days of manifest destiny. If anyone is wondering, that actually
manifested itself, in the whole scale destruction of native American civilization, upon the
bones of which America stands.
We've criticized American exceptionalism here at The Duran , because it's dangerous
to the world, as well as to the rights of normal American civilians, who want to live in a
peaceful earth, that hasn't been destroyed by the military-industrial complex. Exceptionalism
creates in an individual, immense pride, not unlike that in Nazi Germany before the war, and as
we've seen since the beginning, pride comes before the fall.
That is what I wrote in
this article below , which was quoted
here and
here by major Russian news agencies.
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Zhirinovsky was asked to comment on the American Idea of a "city on a hill",
specifically, he was asked why many Americans feel this way. Zhirinovsky went back to history,
which is one of the most forgotten yet most important fields of study, crucial to understanding
everything in life. Specifically, he quoted from American senator and historian Albert Beveridge
who said in 1897 :
It is an American question. It is a world question. Shall the American people continue
their resistless march toward the commercial supremacy of the world? Shall free institutions
broaden their blessed reign as the children of liberty wax in strength until the empire of
our principles is established over the hearts of all mankind?
That was a quote from the speech of a famous American senator, the entire speech is
honestly quite frightening. It could literally be taken out of Mien Kampf had the references to
America simply be changed to Germany. Later in the
speech, it goes on to say :
Has the Almighty Father endowed us with gifts beyond our deserts, and marked us as the
people of His peculiar favor
[and close to the end it says:
Fellow-Americans, we are God's chosen people .. . We cannot retreat from any
soil where Providence has unfurled our banner ; it is ours to save that soil for liberty
and civilization. For liberty and civilization and God's promises fulfilled, the flag must
henceforth be the symbol and the sign to all mankind.
This was written in 1897, and represents how deep-rooted and cult-like American
Exceptionalism is, based on a pseudo-religious idea of the inherent superiority of a single
nation.
One of the most interesting observations Zhirinovsky had, was that exceptionalism seems
to come from ignorance of the world, and it does seem that anti-intellectualism, identity
politics, and a special lack of cultural awareness has helped create this concept. For example,
the speech about exceptionalism does not mention the French or the British, because early
American exceptionalism was in its roots, not a Trans-Atlantic idea. It was formed by
Anti-Monarchist people, who believed it was their destiny to defy the world's traditions, and
establish their own utopia. As a result, Americans do this day often instinctively believe in
how many "rights" they have, and how "free" their country is, compared to the rest of the
world.
For example, Zhirinovsky said:
Americans think Europe is dirty, the world is filled with good for nothing barbarians,
that they gained supremacy, and that the US is the Land of Milk and Honey, Cannan, a Big
Israel.
This is true. Many Americans genuinely feel that their country is so advanced and safe,
whereas the rest of the world is scary and dangerous. This often wrong, and in actually
dangerous places, like some countries the US invaded, they often only became dangerous AFTER
America came, and brought freedom and democracy.
It's not uncommon for Americans to talk about everything "over there", or "overseas" like
its hell on earth, and for them to say "Thank God I live in America, I am so free and safe
here."
They often say this completely ignorant of the fact that MANY countries have a higher
living standard than the US. For example, the
US is not even in the TOP 10 countries by living standards , compiled by this non-profit.
According to the United Nations Human Development Index, the US is ONLY in the tenth
place.
These are just simple examples from broader sources that know the real world.
Americans are perfectly within their rights to love their country. No one is arguing against
this, nor does any peace-loving person want to take rights away from anyone else. The only
issue is when one person, or group, believes they have the right to take away other people's
rights.
American exceptionalism, according to Zhirinovsky, inspired Hitler, and we all know what
he felt about other people's rights.
Putin & Moscow denounce Iran for anti-Israeli activity From retired Indian Ambassador M
K Bhadrakumar,
'Russia Censures Iran' :
Close ties between Russia and Israel are sailing into full view it all does seem a cosy
condominium between Putin and Netanyahu Extraordinary statements for an establishment think
tank known to be close to the Kremlin:
The commentary contextualised Putin's recent call for the withdrawal of all foreign forces
from Syrian soil. It openly rapped the Iranians on the knuckle: "Iran's operations in Syria
go far beyond fighting terrorists and are hardly welcomed by anyone within the region and
beyond. This heightens tensions in Israel's relations with its bitter rivals Serving as a
platform for fighting the 'Zionist' enemy is something Syria needs the least."
Key elements [according to the Kremlin-tied think tank]:
a) Russia holds Iran as responsible for ratcheting up tensions with Israel;
b) Russia thoroughly disapproves of Syria being turned into a turf for Iran's policy of
'Resistance' against Israel; and,
c) Moscow expects the Assad regime to distance itself from Iran's anti-Israeli
activities.
The most valuable part is the comments. They, while biased, given a very good overview of the complexity of the issues and the
US political system and political clans that seen power within it.
I think more powerful interests the Israel were involved. Israel would never do this on their own. Now more then 50 years after JFK assassination I have suspicion that probably this murder will never be solved
although several plausible hypothesis were already establish (the role on LBJ and CIA, especially Angleton, are two
most prominent). The theory tht Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone assassin theory is discredited, but there is no consensus about what
should replace it other then consensus that CIA played an important role and there was understand that LBJ will cover this up.
A really interesting quote from comments: " I think Gary Wean was correct, there was a plot to stage a fake assassination attempt
on JFK within which the actual assassination was hidden, presumably overseen by Angleton. Too many who knew better were looking the
other way, and their effective complicity made them very interested in a cover up.
Notable quotes:
"... In March 1964, he had a face-to-face conversation with mobster Jimmy Hoffa, his sworn enemy, whom he had battled for ten years ..."
"... Robert also asked his friend Daniel Moynihan to search for any complicity in the Secret Service, responsible for the President's security ..."
"... And of course, Robert suspected Johnson, whom he had always mistrusted, as Jeff Shesol documents in Mutual Contempt: Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy, and the Feud that Defined a Decade (1997). ..."
"... Robert also contacted a former MI6 officer who had been a friend of his family when his father was Ambassador in London. This British retired officer in turn contacted some trusted friends in France, and arrangements were made for two French Intelligence operatives to conduct, over a three-year period, a quiet investigation that involved hundreds of interviews in the United States. Their report, replete with innuendo about Lyndon Johnson and right-wing Texas oil barons, was delivered to Bobby Kennedy only months before his own assassination in June of 1968. ..."
"... "President Kennedy's assassination was the work of magicians. It was a stage trick, complete with accessories and fake mirrors, and when the curtain fell, the actors, and even the scenery disappeared. [ ] the plotters were correct when they guessed that their crime would be concealed by shadows and silences, that it would be blamed on a 'madman' and negligence." ..."
"... Garrison was allowed to view Abraham Zapruder's amateur film, confiscated by the FBI on the day of the assassination. This film, despite evident tampering, shows that the fatal shot came from the "grassy knoll" well in front of the President, not from the School Book Depository located behind him, where Oswald was supposed to be shooting from. ..."
"... He refrained from openly supporting Garrison, believing that since the outcome of the investigation was uncertain, it could jeopardize his plans to reopen the case later, and even weaken his chances of election by construing his motivation as a family feud. ..."
"... In conclusion, there can be little doubt that, had he been elected president, Robert Kennedy would have done everything possible to reopen the case of his brother's assassination, in one way or another. This fact certainly did not escape John's murderers. They had no other option but to stop him. This first conclusion is a sufficient reason to conduct a comparative analysis of both Kennedy assassinations, in search of some converging clues that might lead us to the trail of a common mastermind. We begin with Robert's assassination. ..."
"... Even if we assume that Sirhan did kill Robert Kennedy, a second aspect of the case raises question: according to several witnesses, Sirhan seemed to be in a state of trance during the shooting. ..."
"... In 2008, Harvard University professor Daniel Brown, a noted expert in hypnosis and trauma memory loss, interviewed Sirhan for a total of 60 hours, and concluded that Sirhan, whom he classifies in the category of "high hypnotizables," acted unvoluntarily under the effect of hypnotic suggestion: "His firing of the gun was neither under his voluntary control, nor done with conscious knowledge, but is likely a product of automatic hypnotic behavior and coercive control." [17] Jacqui Goddard, "Sirhan Sirhan, assassin of Robert F.Kennedy, launches new campaign for freedom 42 years later," The Telegraph, December 3, 2011, on www.telegraph.co.uk/search/ ..."
"... We know that in the 1960s, American military agencies were experimenting on mental control. Dr Sidney Gottlieb, son of Hungarian Jews, directed the infamous CIA MKUltra project, which, among other things, were to answer questions such as: "Can a person under hypnosis be forced to commit murder?" according to a declassified document dated May 1951. [18] Colin Ross, Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists , Manitou Communications, 2000,summary on www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg ..."
"... hypnotize him into becoming ..."
"... programmed killer" ..."
"... If Sirhan was hypnotically programmed, the question is: Who had some interest in having a visceral anti-Zionist Palestinian blamed for the killing of Robert Kennedy? Israel, of course. But then, we are faced with a dilemma, for why would Israel want to kill Robert Kennedy if Robert Kennedy was supportive of Israel, as the mainstream narrative goes? ..."
"... Robert had not been, in his brother's government, a particularly pro-Israel Attorney General: He had infuriated Zionist leaders by supporting an investigation led by Senator William Fulbright of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations aimed at registering the American Zionist Council as a "foreign agent" subject to the obligations defined by the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, which would had considerably hindered its efficiency (after 1963, the AZD escaped this procedure by changing its status and renaming itself AIPAC) [21] The Israel Lobby Archive, www.irmep.org/ila/forrel/ . ..."
"... Robert Kennedy's death had not been a bad thing for the precious "American-Israeli relationship." Rather, it was a great loss for the Arab world, where Bobby was mourned just as had his brother John before him. ..."
"... But there is plenty of evidence that Angleton, who was also the head of the CIA "Israel Office," was a Mossad mole. According to his biographer Tom Mangold, "Angleton's closest professional friends overseas [ ] came from the Mossad and [ ] he was held in immense esteem by his Israeli colleagues and by the state of Israel, which was to award him profound honors after his death." [24] Tom Mangold, Cold Warrior: James Jesus Angleton: the CIA's Master Spy Hunter, Simon & Schuster, 1991, p. 318. No less that two monuments were dedicated to him at memorial services in Israel during ceremonies attended by chiefs of Israeli Intelligence and even a future Prime Minister. [25] Michael Howard Holzman, James Jesus Angleton, the CIA, and the Craft of COunterintelligence, University of Massachusetts Press, 2008, p. 153. ..."
"... Oswald's assassin is known as Jack Ruby, but few people know that his real name was Jacob Leon Rubenstein, and that he was the son of Jewish Polish immigrants. Ruby was a member of the Jewish underworld. He was a friend of Los Angeles gangster Mickey Cohen, whom he had known and admired since 1946. ..."
"... there is a direct line connecting Jack Ruby, via Mickey Cohen, to the Israeli terrorist ring, and in particular to Menachem Begin, a specialist in false flag terror. We also know that Ruby phoned Al Gruber, a Mickey Cohen associate, just after Oswald's arrest; no doubt he received then "an offer he couldn't refuse," as they say in the underworld. ..."
"... a single bullet supposed to have caused seven wounds to Kennedy and John Connally sitting before him in the limousine, and later found in pristine condition on a gurney in Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas. ..."
"... Five months later, Kennedy's death relieved Israel of all pressure (diplomatic or otherwise) to stop its nuclear program. Faced with Johnson's complete lack of interest in that issue, John McCone resigned from the CIA in 1965, declaring: "When I cannot get the President to read my reports, then it's time to go." ..."
"... Kennedy's determination to stop Israel's Dimona project was only part of the "Kennedy problem". During his first months in the White House, Kennedy committed himself by letters to Nasser and other Arab heads of State to support UN Resolution 194 for the right of return of Palestinian refugees. Ben-Gurion reacted with a letter to the Israeli ambassador in Washington, intended to be circulated among Jewish American leaders, in which he stated: ..."
"... "Israel will regard this plan as a more serious danger to her existence than all the threats of the Arab dictators and Kings, than all the Arab armies, than all of Nasser's missiles and his Soviet MIGs. [ ] Israel will fight against this implementation down to the last man.'" [43] Quoted in George and Douglas Ball, The Passionate Attachment: America's Involvement With Israel, 1947 to the Present , W.W. Norton & Co., 1992, p. 51. ..."
"... After Kennedy's death, American foreign policy was reversed again, without the American public being aware of it. Johnson cut the economic aid to Egypt, and increased the military aid to Israel, which reached 92 million dollars in 1966, more than the total of all previous years combined. ..."
"... Several investigators have identified Lyndon Johnson, Kennedy's vice-president, as the mastermind of the Kennedy assassination. It is, at least, beyond doubt that the plotters acted with the foreknowledge that Johnson, who automatically stepped in as head of State after Kennedy's death, would cover them. ..."
"... Johnson's privileged control over the Navy is an important aspect of the case because the Navy was critical in the setting up and in the cover-up of the plot. ..."
"... Lee Harvey Oswald had been recruited by the Navy and not by the CIA. He was a Marine, and as a Marine he had worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). ..."
"... at the Naval Hospital in Washington, under the control of Navy officers, that Kennedy's autopsy was performed, after his body had been literally stolen at gunpoint from Parkland Hospital in Dallas. The report of this autopsy stated that the fatal bullet had entered the back of Kennedy's skull, which contradicted the testimonies of twenty-one members of the Dallas hospital staff who saw two entry bullet-wounds on the front of Kennedy's body. This was critical because Oswald was presumably shooting from behind Kennedy, and could not possibly have caused these bullet wounds. ..."
"... It is noteworthy that Johnson had actually taken advantage of his connections in the Navy to participate in the greatest corruption case ever recorded at that time. His accomplice Fred Korth was forced to resign as Navy Secretary in November 1963, only weeks before the Dallas coup, after the Justice Department headed by Robert Kennedy had implicated him in a fraud involving a $7 billion contract for the construction of 1,700 TFX military aircraft by General Dynamics, a Texan company. Johnson's personal secretary, Bobby Baker, was charged in the same case. ..."
"... Because of this mounting scandal and other suspicions of corruption, Kennedy was determined to change Vice-President for his upcoming reelection campaign. ..."
"... President's visit, Nixon publicized the rumor of Johnson's removal, and the Dallas Morning News was reporting on November 22 nd : "Nixon Predicts JFK May Drop Johnson." Instead, Johnson became president that very day. ..."
"... According to his biographer Robert Caro, Johnson was a man thirsting "for power in its most naked form, for power not to improve the lives of others, but to manipulate and dominate them, to bend them to his will." ..."
"... Jack Ruby, whom Nixon identified a one of "Johnson's boys," according to former Nixon operative Roger Stone ..."
"... He said that feared that his act would be used "to create some falsehood about some of the Jewish faith," but added that "maybe something can be saved [ ], if our President, Lyndon Johnson, knew the truth from me." [49] Read Ruby's deposition on jfkmurdersolved.com/ruby.htm With such words, Ruby seems to be trying to send a message to Johnson through the Commission, or rather a warning that he might spill the beans about Israel's involvement if Johnson did not intervene in his favor. We get the impression that Ruby expected Johnson to pardon him. ..."
"... It is on record, thanks to Kennedy insider Arthur Schlesinger ( A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House, 1965), that the two men who convinced Kennedy to take Johnson as his running mate, were Philip Graham and Joseph Alsop, respectively publisher and columnist of the Washington Post , and strong supporters of Israel. ..."
"... Thanks to JFK's death, Israel was also able to carry out its plan to annex Palestinian territories beyond the boundaries imposed by the United Nations Partition plan. By leaning on Pentagon and CIA hawks, Johnson intensified the Cold War and created the climate of tension which Israel needed in order to demonize Egyptian president Nasser and reinforce its own stature as indispensable ally in the Middle East. ..."
"... During the Six Day War of 1967, Israel managed to triple its territory, while creating the illusion of acting in legitimate defense. The lie could not deceive American Intelligence agencies, but Johnson had given a green light to Israel's attack, and even authorized James Angleton of the CIA to give Israel the precise positions of the Egyptian air bases, which enabled Israel to destroy them in just a few hours. ..."
"... Meanwhile, Johnson, from the White House, intervened personally to prohibit the nearby Sixth Fleet from rescuing the USS Liberty after the crew, despite the initial destruction of its transmitters, had managed to send off an SOS. ..."
"... The USS Liberty affair was suppressed by a commission of inquiry headed by Admiral John Sidney McCain II, Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces in Europe (and Father of Arizona Senator John McCain III). Johnson accepted Israel's spurious "targeting error" explanation. In January 1968 he invited the Israeli Prime Minister, Levi Eshkol, to Washington, and warmly welcomed him to his Texas ranch. What's more, Johnson rewarded Israel by lifting the embargo on offensive military equipment: US-made tanks and aircraft immediately flowed to Tel Aviv. ..."
"... Let's now conclude our overview of the evidence: beside the fact that John and Robert were brothers, their assassinations have at least two things in common: Lyndon Johnson and Israel. ..."
"... Laurent Guyénot is the author of JFK-9/11: 50 years of Deep State , Progressive Press, 2014 , and From Yahweh to Zion: Jealous God, Chosen People, Promised Land Clash of Civilizations , 2018. ($30 shipping included from Sifting and Winnowing, POB 221, Lone Rock, WI 53556). ..."
"... With my limited studies on the JFK murder I came to the same conclusion: Piper was essentially correct, but you fill up the case of Robert Kennedy in a convincing way. Maybe Meyer Lansky could be mentioned, he probably had some role. But the issue was the bomb. ..."
"... I think Gary Wean was correct, there was a plot to stage a fake assassination attempt on JFK within which the actual assassination was hidden, presumably overseen by Angleton. Too many who knew better were looking the other way, and their effective complicity made them very interested in a cover up. ..."
"... Israel was created by the British oligarchs as a bridgehead in the Middle East. Furthering Israel was/is furthering the interests of those oligarchs (who ran the British Empire which morphed to the Anglo-American Empire). JFK was critical of Israel. If someone killed him, it the Anglo-American deep state. Israel likely pulled the trigger. Let's remember what the fake father of Modern Zionism who admired Cecil Rhodes, Theodor Herl said: "England will get ten million agents for her greatness and influence." ..."
"... In spite of the mendacious narrative regurgitated in the West about the war of 1967, it was Israel who planned and attacked its neighbors. The seizing of the Golan Heights, the West Bank and Gaza were objectives Israel couldn't achieve in 1948 and deterring Nasser, an objective failed in 1956. The only problem Israel had was: would another US President intervene. Norman Finkelstein, who's research on 1967 is to date unchallenged successfully, showed that Israel sent diplomats to Washington ..."
"... Cuba casinos and crime were run by Meyer Lansky. You immediately get the Israel connection as he was a great fried of Israel. Cuban gangsters are implied in the conspiracy to kill JFK, but that is a link to the theory of Piper. To find the high level perpetrators it is only enough to ask what important US politics changed when LBJ become the President. Towards Cuba or gangsters, no. ..."
"... Did Israel kill the Kennedys? It is entirely possible. In fact, any conspiracy theory that links the murders that does not see the Israelis and American Jews involved is almost certainly a waste of time. But here is what is essential: if Israel and/or American Jews 'did it,' you can bet your every penny and the lives of your children, spouse, and siblings that America's WASP Deep State was behind it all. ..."
"... This article is simply bizarre. If the CIA didn't do it why is it still sanitizing the files 55 years later? ..."
"... LBJ's negotiation with Warren is a matter of historical record. He told Warren that if he didn't stick with the official bullshit story, Cuba's responsibility would lead to war entailing nuclear war with Russia. ..."
"... John, Robert and Ted Kennedy were all extremely friendly to Israel and extremely supportive of the interests of diaspora Jews. They led the Democratic Party away from the old-left emphasis on economic justice and peace, towards the new-left emphasis on issues of race and sex. ..."
"... They weakened the labor unions with their campaign against the Teamsters, they supported tax cuts for the very wealthy, their support for increased immigration was hostile to the economic interests of the American working class, and they supported an intensification of the cold war against the Soviet Union. They even knowingly lied about an imaginary "missile gap", in order to present the Democratic Party as more hawkish than Eisenhower's Republicans. ..."
"... In response to the Suez Crisis, Khrushchev's Soviet Union definitively became the patron of Israel's Arab enemies. Simultaneously, Khrushchev was overseeing a Thermidorian reaction against the excesses of early Bolshevism in eastern Europe. Stalin was denounced, Matyas Rakosi was exiled, Kaganovich was purged from the Politburo, Solzhenitsyn was released from the gulags, and the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries were treated less harshly than they would have been in the days of Lenin and Trotsky. A new Bukharinite, almost semi-nationalist, form of communism developed in eastern Europe – far less deadly, and with jobs and patronage more fairly distributed among the various ethnicities ..."
"... I have no desire to defend the Jews, or Judaism, or Zionism, or the State of Israel, but the charges that they were involved with the Kennedy assassinations are completely without merit and ought to be repugnant to decent people. The fact that they were directly responsible for the attack on the USS Liberty is more than enough reason to despise the Israelis; they do not need to be beaten with every club or charged with every crime. To do so is vindictive and paranoid and shameful, and I cannot be sanguine about the motives of those who would whip themselves and others into such a frenzy. ..."
"... Here's Mathilde Krim with a soirée of Fine Folks to include LBJ & Lady Bird. She certainly made the rounds. Definitely an Intelligence Operative considering her prodigious network of contacts ..."
"... Not Israel exactly but the banker clans that created Israel with US wealth and still own monopolies in banking, media, and drugs legal and illegal. Kennedy was put in office because they thought he was just a skirt chasing son of a bootlegger that would not interfere with the Globalist agenda. Kind of like Bill Clinton. Then he starts talking about "secret societies" and backing off the constant war agenda. And he fostered a trusting relationship with Russia, trying to really be president. He is the last one to try that. ..."
"... I recently bought a book about Lansky's Havana operations from Cuba. Before the revolution by Castro Lansky run the crime empire there. It is also written of his connections to Israel, which you can check even from Wikipedia. We all get our information from books and documents. This book was rather OK concerning facts. Lansky lost a lot when Castro came to power. In 1963 Lansky had a very good reason to want the USA to attack Cuba to gain his empire. Besides, he run the USA organized crime at that time and had reasons not to like Kennedys actions against organized crime. ..."
"... Behind the JFK and RFK assassinations is the Allen Dulles gang: Richard Helms, David Atlee Phillips, and James Jesus Angleton. ..."
"... Oswald was a CIA asset since his time as Marine serving at the US Atsugi base in Japan. Researcher HP Albarelli connects Oswald to right-wing Agency operative and pedophile David Ferrie as far back as the early 1950s. Oswald was also part of Angleton's false defector program, which inserted him into the USSR in the late 1950s. ..."
"... The willingness of so many revisionists to make saints out of the Kennedys -- which on any objective reading they clearly were not -- is by itself sufficient to discover the all-too-human wellsprings of their motivation. You have a beef with Israel, with the CIA, with Lyndon Johnson, with the whole American Deep State. I get that; I'm no fan of these people, either. But I'm not going to pervert my entire view of history so as to cast them in the role of the eternal villain. Self-deception is not only bad for your psychological health, it's also very politically inexpedient. You will never accomplish anything by this method. ..."
"... Garbage. Oswald was impersonated in Mexico. He didn't try to kill Walker. ..."
"... The most likely scenario is of course that the assassinations met the needs of not only Israel/Mossad, but of the U.S. oligarchs/Wall Street, European oligarchs, and the U.S. deep state forces of the CIA/Pentagon. It isn't an "either/or" with the Mossad vs the CIA as to who is the culprit, but rather that everyone benefited by these assassinations. From the U.S. Joint Chiefs who wanted to end JFK's efforts to stop the Cold War, to Mossad who wanted carte blanche Israeli power in the Middle East AND the bomb, to the CIA which most definitely did not want to be "splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds" – you have a set of powerful interests that converge and all benefit by these deaths. ..."
"... The whole debate of whether Israel is the tail wagging the dog misses the point that the very creation of Israel was all about helping the Western colonial powers maintain neo-colonial power in the Middle East as their former colonies were being liberated post-WWII. ..."
"... all these parties not only benefited, but also knew each other's secrets and operated in coordination to make these events happen, and to sew intrigue and endless questions in their wake. ..."
"... the CIA had planned a faked failed assassination coup to force JFK into acting against Castro, but was double-crossed. This fits the scenario which I also believe for 9/11. http://rockthetruth.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-911-triple-cross.html And I liked Janney's book. ..."
"... Next we have to look what changed in the US policy after the successful assassination, since it had to have some goal. The USA did not attack Cuba, so that was not the goal. The USA forgot Israel's nuclear bomb project, so that was the goal. (Go through the other alternatives and discard.) ..."
"... Because local Jews & pro-Israel bunch are not equivalent to "deep state". It is true that Zionist Jews are now more influential than ever, but they do not "own" US nor direct most currents of US policy. Being 2% of US population, Jews are perhaps 20-25% among American elites (which, evidently, is not the majority), and most of them are liberals who are not involved in shaping of American middle east politics. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld . were/are American imperialists, and not some Jewish puppets. ..."
"... It is bizarre to consider that Israelis would even think of, let alone try to execute US president, just because he gave them slap on the wrist at some point. ..."
"... And, in 1963, Zionist Jews (and all US Jews) were much less influential then today, after 5 decades that have, beginning with counter-cultural 60s, multiculturalism & Vietnam war, transformed US beyond recognition. Back in 50s/early 60s they had just wanted to assimilate into society as quickly as possible & minimize traces of their ethnic identity, while Israel was a schnorrer, beggar economy trying to survive & keep a low profile. ..."
"... That Golda Meir or Ben Gurion would even contemplate anything similar is simply weird: https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-golda-meir-had-doubts-on-kennedy-death-1.5292291 ..."
"... According to Stephen Green, for the purposes of this internal memorandum, Kent defined "acquisition" by Israel as either (a) a detonation of a nuclear device with or without the possession of actual nuclear weapons, or (b) an announcement by Israel that it possessed nuclear weapons, even without testing. Kent's primary conclusion was that an Israeli bomb would cause 'substantial damage to the U.S. and Western position in the Arab world. ..."
"... Thus it was that John F. Kennedy informed Israel, in no uncertain terms, that he intended – first and foremost – to place America's interests – not Israel's interests – at the center of U.S. Middle East policy. ..."
"... Here's just one example of the CIA trying to clean out the jewish Israeli agents at the CIA. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/355/661/500422/ ..."
"... JFK was killed by somebody. This somebody had power to modify Audiograph data in 1970ies. This data was available to CIA, FBI and the Warren Commission members, maybe also to others. CIA had dealings with mafia concerning assassination of Castro. The mafia that had been in Havana was Lansky's mafia. Thus, CIA had dealings with Lansky's gangsters. Dulles, LBJ and Angleton did not like JFK's policies, especially towards Israel. Israel was weak at that time, but had friends in the US, like Lansky, Angleton, LBJ, Dulles. Together these might have pulled the assassination, but even together they could not make the coverup by media. There had to be media and the US media has a tendency to silence one topic only. No President can control the media, the CIA can influence, but not control, mafia cannot control media. Only one power can do it and does it. ..."
"... [It's not good commenting policy to produce a continuing series of lengthy totally unsourced excerpts, spread over series of different comments, which makes it difficult for others to avoid them. They have now been consolidated, but you should stop this sort of bad behavior.] ..."
"... In case of JFK it is pretty obvious that Israel was the greatest beneficiary of his death because of JFK determination to stop Israel's nuclear program. Some correspondence of JFK with PM's of Israel is available on line. Israel defense doctrine was formulate to be based on what later was called Samson Option. In 1963 Israel still cooperated with France on its secret nuclear program. ..."
"... JFK definitively was set on stopping Israel nuclear program which Israel was conducting in secret cooperation with France. After strong letter on May 18, 163 letter PM Ben Gurion preferred to resign than to answer the letter ..."
"... During that same 1962-63 period Senator William J. Fulbright of Arkansas, Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations, convened hearings on the legal status of the American Zionist Council (AZC). The Committee uncovered evidence that the Jewish Agency, a predecessor to the state of Israel, operated a massive network of financial "conduits" which funnelled funds to U.S. Israel lobby groups. As a result, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy (RFK) ordered the AZC to openly register and disclose all of its foreign funded lobbying activity in the United States. The attempt was subsequently thwarted first by the Israel lobby itself and then by the death of President Kennedy which lead to growing concerns regarding the impact of the ever-growing Zionist influence on U.S. policy making decisions. On April 15, 1973, Fulbright -- who lost his Senate seat the following year -- had no qualms about boldly announcing on CBS Face the Nation that : "Israel controls the U.S. Senate. The Senate is subservient, much too much; we should be more concerned about U.S. interests rather than doing the bidding of Israel. The great majority of the Senate of the U.S. -- somewhere around 80% -- is completely in support of Israel; anything Israel wants; Israel gets. This has been demonstrated time and again, and this has made [foreign policy] difficult for our government." ..."
"... While it is quite plausible that the Zionist entity and the CIA regime have congruent criminal interests, this is not what Guyanot theorizes. He imagines a CIA that sets up all the preconditions for a coup, without actually meaning to go through with it, and a foreign devil that unexpectedly takes it all and runs with it. That's idiotic. It also happens to be CIA's boilerplate excuse for all their grave crimes. There's nothing new up there. What's worse, it's plagiarized from Langley fops and jarheads. It's not just stupid, but stupid in a telltale way. ..."
As Lance deHaven-Smith has remarked in Conspiracy Theory in America:
"It is seldom considered that the Kennedy assassinations might have been serial murders. In fact, in speaking about the murders,
Americans rarely use the plural, 'Kennedy assassinations'. [ ] Clearly, this quirk in the Kennedy assassination(s) lexicon reflects
an unconscious effort by journalists, politicians, and millions of ordinary Americans to avoid thinking about the two assassinations
together, despite the fact that the victims are connected in countless ways."
[1] Lance deHaven-Smith, Conspiracy
Theory in America , University of Texas Press, 2013,kindle 284-292.
John and Robert were bound by an unshakable loyalty. Kennedy biographers have stressed the absolute dedication of Robert to his
elder brother. Robert had successfully managed John's campaign for the Senate in 1952, then his presidential campaign in 1960. John
made him not only his Attorney General, but also his most trusted adviser, even on matters of Foreign or Military affairs. What John
appreciated most in Robert was his sense of justice and the rectitude of his moral judgment. It is Robert, for example, who encouraged
John to fully endorse the cause of the Blacks' civil rights movement
[2] John Lewis' testimony is in the
PBS documentary American Experience Robert F. Kennedy. .
Given this exceptional bond between the Kennedy brothers, what is the probability that the two Kennedy assassinations were unrelated?
Rather, we should start with the assumption that they are related. Basic common sense suggests that the Kennedy brothers have been
killed by the same force, and for the same motives. It is, at least, a logical working hypothesis that Robert was eliminated from
the presidential race because he had to be prevented from reaching a position where he could reopen the case of his brother's death.
Both his loyalty to his brother's memory, and his obsession with justice, made it predictable that, if he reached the White House,
he would do just that. But was there, in 1968, any clear indication that he would?
The question has been positively answered by David Talbot in his book Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years
, published in 2007 by Simon & Schuster. Robert had never believed in the Warren Report's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the
sole assassin of his brother. Knowing too well what to expect from Johnson, he had refused to testify before the Warren Commission.
When its report came out, he had no choice but to publicly endorse it, but "privately he was dismissive of it," as his son Robert
Kennedy, Jr. remembers [3] Associated
Press, "RFK children speak about JFK assassination," January 12, 2013, on www.usatoday.com . To close friends who wondered why
he wouldn't voice his doubt, he said: "there's nothing I can do about it. Not now."[4] David Talbot, Brothers: The
Hidden History of the Kennedy Years , Simon & Schuster, 2007, p. 278-280, 305.
From 22 November 1963, Robert was alienated and monitored by Johnson and Hoover. Although still Attorney General, he knew he was
powerless against the forces that had killed his brother. Yet he lost no time beginning his own investigation; he first asked CIA
director John McCone, a Kennedy friend, to find out if the Agency had anything to do with the plot, and came out convinced that it
hadn't. In March 1964, he had a face-to-face conversation with mobster Jimmy Hoffa, his sworn enemy, whom he had battled for
ten years, and whom he suspected of having taken revenge on his brother. Robert also asked his friend Daniel Moynihan to
search for any complicity in the Secret Service, responsible for the President's security[5] David Talbot, Brothers, op.
cit. , 2007, p. 21-22. . And of course, Robert suspected Johnson, whom he had always mistrusted, as Jeff Shesol documents
in Mutual Contempt: Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy, and the Feud that Defined a Decade (1997).
In fact, a mere week after JFK's death, November 29, 1963, Bill Walton, a friend of the Kennedys, travelled to Moscow and passed
to Nikita Khrushchev, via a trusted agent who had already carried secret communications between Khrushchev and John Kennedy, a message
from Robert and Jacqueline Kennedy; according to the memo found in the Soviet archives in the 90s by Alexandr Fursenko and Timothy
Naftali ( One Hell of a Gamble , 1998), Robert and Jackie wanted to inform the Soviet Premier that they believed John Kennedy
had been "the victim of a right-wing conspiracy," and that "the cooling that might occur in U.S.-Soviet relations because
of Johnson would not last forever."[6] David Talbot, Brothers, op.
cit., p. 25-7.
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Robert also contacted a former MI6 officer who had been a friend of his family when his father was Ambassador in London. This
British retired officer in turn contacted some trusted friends in France, and arrangements were made for two French Intelligence
operatives to conduct, over a three-year period, a quiet investigation that involved hundreds of interviews in the United States.
Their report, replete with innuendo about Lyndon Johnson and right-wing Texas oil barons, was delivered to Bobby Kennedy only months
before his own assassination in June of 1968. After Bobby's death, the last surviving brother, Senator Ted Kennedy, showed no
interest in the material. The investigators then hired a French writer by the name of Hervé Lamarr to fashion the material into a
book, under the pseudonym of James Hepburn. The book was first published in French under the title L'Amérique brûle, and was
translated under the title Farewell America: The Plot to Kill JFK . Its conclusion is worth quoting:
"President Kennedy's assassination was the work of magicians. It was a stage trick, complete with accessories and fake
mirrors, and when the curtain fell, the actors, and even the scenery disappeared. [ ] the plotters were correct when they guessed
that their crime would be concealed by shadows and silences, that it would be blamed on a 'madman' and negligence."
[7] James Hepburn, Farewell
America: The Plot to Kill JFK, Penmarin Books, 2002, p. 269.
Robert had planned to run for the American Presidency in 1972, but the escalation of the Vietnam War precipitated his decision
to run in 1968. Another factor may have been the opening of the investigation by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison in 1967.
Garrison was allowed to view Abraham Zapruder's amateur film, confiscated by the FBI on the day of the assassination. This film,
despite evident tampering, shows that the fatal shot came from the "grassy knoll" well in front of the President, not from the School
Book Depository located behind him, where Oswald was supposed to be shooting from.
When talk of the investigation began, Kennedy asked one of his closest advisors, Frank Mankievitch, to follow its developments,
"so if it gets to a point where I can do something about this, you can tell me what I need to know." He confided to his friend
William Attwood, then editor of Look magazine, that he, like Garrison, suspected a conspiracy, "but I can't do anything
until we get control of the White House."[8] David Talbot, Brothers, op.
cit., p. 312-314.He refrained from openly supporting Garrison, believing that since the outcome of the investigation
was uncertain, it could jeopardize his plans to reopen the case later, and even weaken his chances of election by construing his
motivation as a family feud.
In conclusion, there can be little doubt that, had he been elected president, Robert Kennedy would have done everything possible
to reopen the case of his brother's assassination, in one way or another. This fact certainly did not escape John's murderers. They
had no other option but to stop him. This first conclusion is a sufficient reason to conduct a comparative analysis of both Kennedy
assassinations, in search of some converging clues that might lead us to the trail of a common mastermind. We begin with Robert's
assassination.
Just hours after Robert's assassination, the press was able to inform the American people, not only of the identity of the assassin,
but also of his motive, and even of his detailed biography.
[9] Extract of TV news in the documentary
film Evidence of Revision: Part 4: The RFK assassination as never seen before , 01:11:42 Twenty-four-year-old Sirhan Bishara
Sirhan was born in Jordania, and had moved to the United States when his family was expelled from West Jerusalem in 1948. After the
shooting, a newspaper clipping was found in Sirhan's pocket, quoting favorable comments made by Robert regarding Israel and, in particular,
what sounded like an electoral commitment: "The United States should without delay sell Israel the 50 Phantom jets she has so
long been promised." Handwritten notes by Sirhan found in a notebook at his home confirmed that his act had been premeditated
and motivated by his hatred of Israel.
That became the story line of the mainstream media from day one. Jerry Cohen of the Los Angeles Times wrote a front page
article, saying that Sirhan is "described by acquaintances as a 'virulent' anti-Israeli," (Cohen changed that into "virulent
anti-semite" in an article for the The Salt Lake Tribune ), and that: " Investigation and disclosures from persons
who knew him best revealed [him] as a young man with a supreme hatred for the state of Israel." Cohen infers that "Senator
Kennedy [ ] became a personification of that hatred because of his recent pro-Israeli statements." Cohen further revealed that:
After September 11, 2001, the tragedy of Robert's assassination was installed into the Neocon mythology of the Clash of Civilizations
and the War on Terror the story. Sirhan became a precursor of Islamic terrorism on the American soil. In a book entitled The Forgotten
Terrorist, Mel Ayton, who specializes in debunking conspiracy theories, claims to present "a wealth of evidence about [Sirhan's]
fanatical Palestinian nationalism," and to demonstrate that "Sirhan was the lone assassin whose politically motivated act
was a forerunner of present-day terrorism" (as written on the back cover).
In 2008, on the 40 th anniversary of Robert's death, Sasha Issenberg of the Boston Globe recalled that the death
of Robert Kennedy was "a first taste of Mideast terror." He quotes Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz (best known as Jonathan
Pollard's lawyer), as saying:
The fact that Sirhan was from a Christian family was lost on Dershowitz. The Jewish Forward took care to mention it on
the same occasion, only to add that Islamic fanaticism ran in his veins anyway:
"But what he shared with his Muslim cousins -- the perpetrators of September 11 -- was a visceral, irrational hatred of Israel.
It drove him to murder a man whom some still believe might have been the greatest hope of an earlier generation."
This leitmotiv of the public discourse begs the question: Was Bobby really a supporter of Israel? But before we answer that question,
there is on more pressing one:
Did Sirhan really kill Bobby?
If we trust official statements and mainstream news, the assassination of Robert Kennedy is an open-and-shut case. The identity
of the killer suffers no discussion, since he was arrested on the spot, with the smoking gun in his hand. In reality, ballistic and
forensic evidence show that none of Sirhan's bullets hit Kennedy.
According to the autopsy report of Chief Medical Examiner-Coroner Thomas Noguchi, Robert Kennedy died of a gunshot wound to the
brain, fired from behind the right ear at point blank range, following an upward angle. Nogushi restated his conclusion in his 1983
memoirs, Coroner . Yet the sworn testimony of twelve shooting witnesses established that Robert had never turned his back
on Sirhan and that Sirhan was five to six feet away from his target when he fired.
Tallying all the bullet impacts in the pantry, and those that wounded five people around Kennedy, it has been estimated that at
least twelve bullets were fired, while Sirhan's gun carried only eight. On April 23, 2011, attorneys William Pepper and his associate,
Laurie Dusek, gathered all this evidence and more in a 58-page file submitted to the Court of California, asking that Sirhan's case
be reopened. They documented major irregularities in the 1968 trial, including the fact that the bullet tested in laboratory to be
compared to the the one extracted from Robert's brain had not been shot by Sirhan's revolver, but by another gun, with a different
serial number; thus, instead of incriminating Sirhan, the ballistic test in fact proved him innocent. Pepper has also provided a
computer analysis of audio recordings during the shooting, made by engineer Philip Van Praag in 2008, which confirms that two guns
are heard. [13] Frank Morales, "The
Assassination of RFK: A Time for Justice!" June 16, 2012, on www.globalresearch.ca; watch on YouTube, "RFK Assassination 40
th Anniversary (2008) Paul Schrade on CNN."
Even if we assume that Sirhan did kill Robert Kennedy, a second aspect of the case raises question: according to several witnesses,
Sirhan seemed to be in a state of trance during the shooting. More importantly, Sirhan has always claimed, and continues to
claim, that he has never had any recollection of his act:
"I was told by my attorney that I shot and killed Senator Robert F. Kennedy and that to deny this would be completely futile,
[but] I had and continue to have no memory of the shooting of Senator Kennedy."
Psychiatric expertise, including lie-detector tests, have confirmed that Sirhan's amnesia is not faked. In 2008, Harvard University
professor Daniel Brown, a noted expert in hypnosis and trauma memory loss, interviewed Sirhan for a total of 60 hours, and concluded
that Sirhan, whom he classifies in the category of "high hypnotizables," acted unvoluntarily under the effect of hypnotic suggestion:
"His firing of the gun was neither under his voluntary control, nor done with conscious knowledge, but is likely a product of automatic
hypnotic behavior and coercive control."
[17] Jacqui Goddard, "Sirhan Sirhan,
assassin of Robert F.Kennedy, launches new campaign for freedom 42 years later," The Telegraph, December 3, 2011, on www.telegraph.co.uk/search/
If Sirhan was hypnotically programmed, the question is: Who had some interest in having a visceral anti-Zionist Palestinian
blamed for the killing of Robert Kennedy? Israel, of course. But then, we are faced with a dilemma, for why would Israel want to
kill Robert Kennedy if Robert Kennedy was supportive of Israel, as the mainstream narrative goes?
The dilemma rests on a misleading assumption, which is part of the deception. In fact, Robert Kennedy was definitely not
pro-Israel. He was simply campaigning in 1968. As everyone knows, a few good wishes and empty promises to Israel are an inescapable
ritual in such circumstances. And Robert's statement in an Oregon synagogue, mentioned in the May 27 Pasadena Independent Star-News
article found in Sirhan's pocket, didn't exceed the minimal requirements. Its author David Lawrence had, in an earlier article entitled
"Paradoxical Bob," underlined how little credit should be given to such electoral promises: "Presidential candidates are
out to get votes and some of them do not realize their own inconsistencies."
All things considered, there is no ground for believing that Robert Kennedy would have been, as president of the US, particularly
Israel-friendly. The Kennedy family, proudly Irish and Catholic, was known for its hostility to Jewish influence in politics, a classic
theme of anti-Kennedy literature, best represented by the 1996 book by Ronald Kessler with the highly suggestive title, The Sins
of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He Founded.[20] Ronald Kessler, The Sins
of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He Founded, Hodder & Stoughton, 1996.
Robert had not been, in his brother's government, a particularly pro-Israel Attorney General: He had infuriated Zionist leaders
by supporting an investigation led by Senator William Fulbright of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations aimed at registering
the American Zionist Council as a "foreign agent" subject to the obligations defined by the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938,
which would had considerably hindered its efficiency (after 1963, the AZD escaped this procedure by changing its status and renaming
itself AIPAC) [21] The Israel Lobby
Archive, www.irmep.org/ila/forrel/ .
In conclusion, it is only with outstanding hypocrisy that The Jewish Daily Forward could write, on the 40th anniversary
of Bobby's death:
Robert Kennedy's death had not been a bad thing for the precious "American-Israeli relationship." Rather, it was a great loss
for the Arab world, where Bobby was mourned just as had his brother John before him.
Of course, the fact that the Zionist media lied when granting Robert Kennedy some posthumous certificate of good will toward Israel,
and thereby provided Israel with a fake alibi, is not a sufficient reason for concluding that Israel murdered Robert. Even the fact
that the masterminds of the plot chose as their programmed instrument an anti-Zionist Palestinian, and thereby stirred a strong anti-Palestinian
feeling among Americans at the same time as getting rid of Robert, does not prove that Israel was involved. What is still lacking
for a serious presumption is a plausible motive.
The motive of Robert's assassination must be found, not in what Robert publicly declared in an Oregon synagogue during his presidential
campaign, but rather in what he confided only to his most close friends: his intention to reopen the investigation on his brother's
death. Our next question, therefore, is: What would an unbiased investigation, conducted under the supervision of Robert in the White
House, have revealed?
It is obvious to anybody just vaguely informed that a genuine investigation would first establish that Oswald was a mere "patsy"
, as he said himself, a scapegoat prepared in advance to be blamed for the crime and then be slaughtered without a trial.
We will not here review the evidence that contradicts the official thesis of the lone gunman. It can be found in numerous books and
documentary films.
Just as notorious is the theory that the plot to kill Kennedy originated from a secret network within the CIA, in collusion with
extremist elements in the Pentagon. That conspiracy theory looms the largest in books, articles and films that have been produced
since John Kennedy died.
That CIA-Pentagon theory, as I will call it (add the military-industrial complex if you wish) has a major flaw in the motive ascribed
to the killers: besides getting rid of Kennedy, the theory goes, the aim was to create a pretext for invading Cuba, something the
CIA had always pushed for and Kennedy had refused to do (the Bay of Pigs fiasco). With Oswald groomed as a pro-Castro communist,
the Dallas shooting was staged as a false flag attack to be blamed on Cuba. But then, why did no invasion of Cuba followed Kennedy's
assassination? Why was the pro-Castro Oswald abandoned by the Warren Commission in favor of the lone nut Oswald? Those who address
the question, like James Douglass in his JFK and the Unspeakable , credit Johnson with preventing the invasion. Johnson, we
are led to understand, had nothing to do with the assassination plot, and thwarted the plotters' ultimate aim to start World War
III. This is to ignore the tremendous amount of evidence accumulated against Johnson for fifty years, and documented in such groundbreaking
books as Phillip Nelson's LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK's Assassination (2010) or Roger Stone's The Man Who Killed Kennedy:
The Case Against LBJ (2013).
Another weakness in the CIA-Pentagon theory is the lack of agreement about the mastermind of the plot. In fact, one of the names
that comes up most often is James Jesus Angleton, the head of Counter-Intelligence within the CIA, about whom Professor John Newman
writes in Oswald and the CIA :
"In my view, whoever Oswald's direct handler or handlers were, we must now seriously consider the possibility that Angleton
was probably their general manager. No one else in the Agency had the access, the authority, and the diabolically ingenious mind
to manage this sophisticated plot."
[23] Michael Collins Piper,
False Flag, op. cit., p. 78.
Another aspect must be taken into account: if the trail of the CIA is such a well-trodden path among Kennedy researchers, it is
because it has been cut and marked by the mainstream media themselves, as well as by Hollywood. And that began even before the assassination,
on October 3, 1963, with an article by the New York Times' chief Washington correspondent Arthur Krock. The article denounced
the CIA's "unrestrained thirst for power" and quotidian unnamed "very high official" who claimed that the White House
could not control the CIA, and that:
In such a way, The New York Times was planting a sign, a month and a half before the Dallas killing, pointing to the CIA
as the most likely instigator of the upcoming coup. The sign said: "The President is going to fall victim of a coup, and it will
come from the CIA."
One month after Kennedy's assassination, it was the turn of the Washington Post to use a very similar trick, by publishing
an op-ed signed by Harry Truman, in which the former president said he was "disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its
original assignment." "I never had any thought when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations,"
at the point of becoming across the globe "a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue [ ] there are now some searching
questions that need to be answered."[27] "Harry Truman Writes: Limit
CIA Role to Intelligence," Washington Post, December 22, 1963, quoted in Mark Lane, Last Word: My Indictment of the CIA
in the Murder of JFK , Skyhorse Publishing, 2011 , p. 246. Truman was hinting at the CIA's role in toppling foreign
governments and assassinating elected leaders abroad. But given the timing of his article, one month to the day after Dallas, it
could only be understood by anyone with ears to hear, and at least subliminally by the rest, as an indictment of the CIA in the Kennedy
assassination. This article, widely reprinted in the 1970s after the creation of the Church Committee and the House Select Committee
on Assassinations, is regarded as Truman's whistleblowing. Yet its mea culpa style is quite unlike Truman; that is because
it was not written by Truman, but by his longtime assistant and ghostwriter, a Russian born Jew named David Noyes, whom Sidney Krasnoff
calls "Truman's alter ego" in his book, Truman and Noyes: Story of a President's Alter Ego (1997). Truman probably never saw
the article prior to its publication in the Washington Post morning edition, but he may be responsible for its deletion from
the afternoon print runs. [28] Thomas
Troy, "Truman on CIA," September 22, 1993, on www.cia.gov ; Sidney Krasnoff, Truman and Noyes: Story of a President's Alter Ego,
Jonathan Stuart Press, 1997.
So the two most influential American newspapers, while ostensibly defending the official theory of the lone gunman, have planted
directional signs pointing to the CIA. Most Kennedy truthers have followed the signs with enthusiasm.
In the 70s, the mainstream media and publishing industry played again a major role in steering conspiracy theorists toward the
CIA, while avoiding any hint of Israeli involvement. One major contributor to that effort was A. J. Weberman, with his 1975 book
Coup d'État in America: The CIA and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, co-authored by Michael Canfield . According
to the New York Jewish Daily Forward (December 28, 2012), Weberman had "immigrated to Israel in 1959 and has dual American-Israeli
citizenship," and is "a close associate of Jewish Defense Organization founder Mordechai Levy, whose fringe group is a spin-off
of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane's militant right-wing Jewish Defense League." Weberman acknowledged Neocon Richard Perle's assistance
in his investigation. [29] Michael
Collins Piper, False Flags: Template for Terror, American Free Press, 2013, p. 67. The Weberman-Canfield book contributed
to the momentum that led the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) to reinvestigate in 1976 the murders of JFK and Dr.
Martin Luther King.
It is also in this context that Newsweek journalist Edward Jay Epstein published an interview of George De Mohrenschildt,
a Russian geologist and consultant for Texan oilmen who had befriended Oswald and his Russian wife in Dallas in 1962. In this interview,
De Mohrenschildt admitted that Oswald had been introduced to him at the instigation of Dallas CIA agent J. Walton Moore.
[30] James Douglass, JFK and the
Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, Touchstone, 2008 , p. 46. That piece of information is dubious for several
reasons: First, Moore was officially FBI rather than CIA. Second, De Mohrenschildt was in no position to confirm or deny the words
that Epstein ascribed to him: he was found dead a few hours after giving the interview. In fact, De Mohrenschildt's interview published
by Epstein contradicts De Mohrenschildt's own manuscript account of his relationship to Oswald, revealed after his death.
[31] George de Mohrenschilldt,
I am a Patsy! on jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/hscapatsy.htm De Mohrenschildt's death was ruled a suicide. The
Sheriff's report mentions that in his last months he complained that "the Jews" and "the Jewish mafia" were out to
get him. [32] Read the Sheriff's
Office report on mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death2.txt Needless to say, Epstein didn't mention anything about this. More suspicions
arise from the fact that Epstein's main source for his 1978 book, Legend: the Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald , was James
Jesus Angleton, who was actively spreading disinformation at the time of the HSCA, defending the theory that Oswald was a KGB agent
with CIA connections.
By a strange paradox, the authors who stand for the consensual conspiracy theory of a CIA plot against Kennedy build their case
on the biography of Oswald, while at the same time claiming that Oswald had almost nothing to do with the killing. If Oswald was
"just a patsy," as he publicly claimed, the quest for the real culprits must logically begin by investigating the man who silenced
Oswald.
Oswald's assassin is known as Jack Ruby, but few people know that his real name was Jacob Leon Rubenstein, and that he was
the son of Jewish Polish immigrants. Ruby was a member of the Jewish underworld. He was a friend of Los Angeles gangster Mickey Cohen,
whom he had known and admired since 1946. Cohen was the successor of the famed Benjamin Siegelbaum, aka Bugsy Siegel, one of
the bosses of Murder Incorporated . Cohen was infatuated with the Zionist cause, as he explained in his memoirs: "Now I
got so engrossed with Israel that I actually pushed aside a lot of my activities and done nothing but what was involved with this
Irgun war".[35] Mickey Cohen,
In My Own Words , Prentice-Hall, 1975, p. 91-92. Mickey Cohen was in contact with Menachem Begin, the former Irgun chief,
with whom he even "spent a lot of time," according to Gary Wean, former detective sergeant for the Los Angeles Police Department.
So there is a direct line connecting Jack Ruby, via Mickey Cohen, to the Israeli terrorist ring, and in particular to Menachem
Begin, a specialist in false flag terror. We also know that Ruby phoned Al Gruber, a Mickey Cohen associate, just after Oswald's
arrest; no doubt he received then "an offer he couldn't refuse," as they say in the underworld.[36] Michael Collins Piper, Final
Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy , American Free Press, 6 th ed., ebook 2005, p. 133-155,
226. Ruby's defense lawyer William Kunstler wrote in his memoirs that Ruby told him he had killed Oswald "for the Jews," and
Ruby's rabbi Hillel Silverman received the same confession when visiting Ruby in jail.
[37] William Kunstler, My Life
as a Radical Lawyer , Carol Publishing, 1994, p. 158; Steve North, "Lee Harvey Oswald's Killer 'Jack Ruby' Came From Strong Jewish
Background," The Forward , November 17, 2013, on forward.com
That is not all. At every levels of the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, we also find the fingerprints of the Israeli deep state. JFK's
trip to Dallas, being officially "non political," was sponsored by a powerful business group known as the Dallas Citizens Council,
dominated by Julius Schepps, "a wholesale liquor distributor, member of every synagogue in town, and de facto leader of the Jewish
community," as described by Bryan Edward Stone in The Chosen Folks: Jews on the Frontiers of Texas.[38] Bryan Edward Stone, The Chosen
Folks: Jews on the Frontiers of Texas, University of Texas Press, 2010, p. 200. Kennedy was on his way to the reception organized
in his honor when he was shot.
The "host committee" inviting Kennedy was chaired by another influential figure of the wealthy Jewish community in Dallas: advertising
executive and PR man Sam Bloom. According to former British Intelligence Officer Colonel John Hughes-Wilson, it was Bloom who suggested
to the Police "that they move the alleged assassin [Oswald] from the Dallas police station to the Dallas County Jail in order
to give the newsmen a good story and pictures." Oswald was shot by Ruby during this transfert. Hughes-Wilson adds that, "when
the police later searched Ruby's home, they found a slip of paper with Bloom's name, address and telephone number on it."[39] John Hughes-Wilson, JFK-An
American Coup d'État: The Truth Behind the Kennedy Assassination, John Blake, 2014.
After the Dallas tragedy, Israel's sayanim were also busy fabricating the official lie. Apart from its chairman Earl Warren,
chosen for his figurative role as Chief Justice, all key people in the investigative Commission were either personal enemies of Kennedy
-- like Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by Kennedy in 1961 -- or ardent Zionists. The man who played the key role in fabricating
the government lie purveyed by the Warren Commission was Arlen Specter, the inventor of what came to be called the "magic bullet"
theory: a single bullet supposed to have caused seven wounds to Kennedy and John Connally sitting before him in the limousine,
and later found in pristine condition on a gurney in Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas. Specter, who with an ironic touch
of chutzpah titled his autobiography Passion for Truth, was the son of Russian Jewish immigrants, and, at his death in 2012,
was mourned by the Israeli government as "an unswerving defender of the Jewish State," and by AIPAC, as "a leading architect
of the congressional bond between our country and Israel."[40] Natasha Mozgovaya, "Prominent
Jewish-American politician Arlan Specter dies at 82," Haaretz, October 14, 2012, on www.haaretz.com.
So, at all stages of the plot, we find a Zionist cabal including business men, politicians and Irgun-connected gangsters, not
forgetting media executives, all devoted to Israel.
The most plausible motive for Israel to kill Kennedy has been revealed by two books: Seymour Hersh's The Samson Option
in 1991, then Avner Cohen's Israel and the Bomb in 1998, and the lead has been followed up in 2007 by Michael Karpin in
The Bomb in the Basement. What these investigators reveal is that Kennedy, informed by the CIA in 1960 of the military aim pursued
at the Dimona complex in the Negev desert, was firmly determined to force Israel to renounce it. With that purpose in mind, he replaced
CIA Director Allen Dulles by John McCone, who had, as Eisenhower's chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), leaked to The
New York Times the truth about Israel's Dimona project; the story was printed on December 19, 1960, weeks before Kennedy was
to take office. As Alan Hart writes, "there can be no doubt that Kennedy's determination to stop Israel developing its own nuclear
bomb was the prime factor in his decision to appoint McCone."[41] Alan Hart, Zionism: The Real
Enemy of the Jews, vol. 2: David Becomes Goliath, Clarity Press, 2009 , p. 273. Then Kennedy urged Ben-Gurion
to allow regular inspections of Dimona, first verbally in New York in 1961, and later through more and more insistent letters. In
the last one, cabled June 15, 1963 to the Israeli ambassador with instruction to hand it personally to Ben-Gurion, Kennedy demanded
Ben-Gurion's agreement for an immediate visit followed by regular visits every six months, otherwise "this Government's commitment
to and support of Israel could be seriously jeopardized."[42] Warren Bass, Support any
Friend: Kennedy's Middle East and the Making of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, 2003, p. 219. The result was unexpected: Ben-Gurion
avoided official reception of the letter by announcing his resignation on June 16. As soon as the new Prime Minister Levi Eshkol
took office, Kennedy sent him a similar letter, dated July 5, 1963, to no avail. Did Ben-Gurion resign in order to deal with Kennedy
from another level?
Five months later, Kennedy's death relieved Israel of all pressure (diplomatic or otherwise) to stop its nuclear program.
Faced with Johnson's complete lack of interest in that issue, John McCone resigned from the CIA in 1965, declaring: "When I cannot
get the President to read my reports, then it's time to go."
Kennedy's determination to stop Israel's Dimona project was only part of the "Kennedy problem". During his first months in
the White House, Kennedy committed himself by letters to Nasser and other Arab heads of State to support UN Resolution 194 for the
right of return of Palestinian refugees. Ben-Gurion reacted with a letter to the Israeli ambassador in Washington, intended to be
circulated among Jewish American leaders, in which he stated:
After Kennedy's death, American foreign policy was reversed again, without the American public being aware of it. Johnson
cut the economic aid to Egypt, and increased the military aid to Israel, which reached 92 million dollars in 1966, more than the
total of all previous years combined.
For 50 years, the Israeli trail in the Kennedy assassination has been smothered, and anyone who mentioned it was immediately ostracized.
American congressman Paul Findley nevertheless dared write in March 1992 in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs :
"It is interesting to note that in all the words written and uttered about the Kennedy assassination, Israel's intelligence agency,
the Mossad, has never been mentioned." One single author has seriously investigated that trail: Michael Collins Piper, in his
1995 book Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy. Piper was largely ignored by the mainstream
of the Kennedy truth movement. But his work has made its way nevertheless. In 2013, Martin Sandler wrote about Piper's work in his
edition of letters by Kennedy, which included those addressed to Ben-Gurion about Dimona: "Of all the conspiracy theories, it
remains one of the most intriguing." It is, in fact, a theory widespread in Arab countries.
[45] Listen to Libyan leader Muammar
Gaddafi on the topic on www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV4kvhs8I8E
Several investigators have identified Lyndon Johnson, Kennedy's vice-president, as the mastermind of the Kennedy assassination.
It is, at least, beyond doubt that the plotters acted with the foreknowledge that Johnson, who automatically stepped in as head of
State after Kennedy's death, would cover them. The context of national crisis enabled him to bully both Justice and the press
while achieving his life's ambition. Johnson not just benefitted from the plot; he participated in its elaboration. As a former senator
from Texas, he could mobilize high-ranked accomplices in Dallas to prepare the ambush. Johnson also had his men in the Navy. In 1961,
Texan senator John Connally had been appointed as Navy Secretary at the request of Johnson. When Connally resigned eleven months
later to run for governor of Texas, Johnson convinced Kennedy to name another of his Texan friends, Fred Korth.
Johnson's privileged control over the Navy is an important aspect of the case because the Navy was critical in the setting
up and in the cover-up of the plot. First, contrary to a widespread but erroneous belief, Lee Harvey Oswald had been recruited
by the Navy and not by the CIA. He was a Marine, and as a Marine he had worked for the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).
Secondly, it is at the Naval Hospital in Washington, under the control of Navy officers, that Kennedy's autopsy was performed,
after his body had been literally stolen at gunpoint from Parkland Hospital in Dallas. The report of this autopsy stated that the
fatal bullet had entered the back of Kennedy's skull, which contradicted the testimonies of twenty-one members of the Dallas hospital
staff who saw two entry bullet-wounds on the front of Kennedy's body. This was critical because Oswald was presumably shooting from
behind Kennedy, and could not possibly have caused these bullet wounds.
It is noteworthy that Johnson had actually taken advantage of his connections in the Navy to participate in the greatest corruption
case ever recorded at that time. His accomplice Fred Korth was forced to resign as Navy Secretary in November 1963, only weeks before
the Dallas coup, after the Justice Department headed by Robert Kennedy had implicated him in a fraud involving a $7 billion contract
for the construction of 1,700 TFX military aircraft by General Dynamics, a Texan company. Johnson's personal secretary, Bobby Baker,
was charged in the same case.
Because of this mounting scandal and other suspicions of corruption, Kennedy was determined to change Vice-President for his
upcoming reelection campaign. [46] Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK's Assassination, XLibris, 2010, p. 372. While in Dallas the day before
the President's visit, Nixon publicized the rumor of Johnson's removal, and the Dallas Morning News was reporting on November
22 nd : "Nixon Predicts JFK May Drop Johnson." Instead, Johnson became president that very day.
Many Americans immediately suspected Johnson's involvement in the Dallas coup, especially after the publication in 1964 of a book
by James Evetts Haley, A Texan Looks at Lyndon , which portrayed Johnson as deeply corrupt. According to his biographer Robert
Caro, Johnson was a man thirsting "for power in its most naked form, for power not to improve the lives of others, but to manipulate
and dominate them, to bend them to his will."[47] Quoted in Phillip Nelson, LBJ:
The Mastermind, op. cit. , p. 17.
"If you don't take me back to Washington tonight to give me a chance to prove to the President that I am not guilty, then you
will see the most tragic thing that will ever happen." "There will be a certain tragic occurrence happening if you don't take
my testimony and somehow vindicate me so my people don't suffer because of what I have done."
He said that feared that his act would be used "to create some falsehood about some of the Jewish faith," but added that "maybe
something can be saved [ ], if our President, Lyndon Johnson, knew the truth from me."
[49] Read Ruby's deposition on jfkmurdersolved.com/ruby.htm
With such words, Ruby seems to be trying to send a message to Johnson through the Commission, or rather a warning that he might spill
the beans about Israel's involvement if Johnson did not intervene in his favor. We get the impression that Ruby expected Johnson
to pardon him.
Yet Johnson did nothing to get Ruby out of jail. Ruby's sense of betrayal would explain why in 1965, after having been sentenced
to life imprisonment, Ruby implicitly accused Johnson of Kennedy's murder in a press conference: "If [Adlai Stevenson] was Vice-President
there would never have been an assassination of our beloved President Kennedy."[50] See on YouTube, "Jack Ruby Talks."
Ruby died from a mysterious disease in his prison in 1967.
Ruby is not the only link between Johnson and Israel, far from it. In truth, Johnson had always been Israel's man. His electoral
campaigns had been funded since 1948 by Zionist financier Abraham Feinberg, who happened to be president of the Americans for Haganah
Incorporated, which raised money for the Jewish militia. It is the same Feinberg who, after the Democratic primaries in 1960, made
the following proposal to Kennedy, as Kennedy himself later reported to his friend Charles Bartlett: "We know your campaign is
in trouble. We're willing to pay your bills if you'll let us have control of your Middle East policy." Bartlett recalls that
Kennedy was deeply upset and swore that, "if he ever did get to be President, he was going to do something about it."[51] Seymour Hersh, The Samson
Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy , Random House, 1991, p. 94-97.
It is on record, thanks to Kennedy insider Arthur Schlesinger ( A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House, 1965),
that the two men who convinced Kennedy to take Johnson as his running mate, were Philip Graham and Joseph Alsop, respectively publisher
and columnist of the Washington Post , and strong supporters of Israel.
[52] Arthur Schlesinger,
A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House (1965), Mariner Books, 2002, p. 56; Alan Hart, Zionism, vol. 2, op.
cit., p. 257. Schlesinger doesn't reveal Graham and Alsop's arguments, and states that Kennedy's final decision "defies
historical reconstruction" -- a curious statement for a historian so well informed on the topic. But Evelyn Lincoln, Kennedy's
personal secretary for twelve years, had her own idea about it. She believed that Kennedy was blackmailed with proofs of his many
infidelities to his wife: " Jack knew that Hoover and LBJ would just fill the air with womanizing." Whatever the details of
the blackmail, Kennedy once confided to his assistant Hyman Raskin, as an apology for taking Johnson, "I was left with no choice
[ ] those bastards were trying to frame me. They threatened me with problems and I don't need more problems."[53] Phillip Nelson, LBJ: The
Mastermind, op; cit. , p. 320.
In 2013, Associated Press reported about newly released tapes from Johnson's White House office showing LBJ's "personal and
often emotional connection to Israel," and pointed out that under Johnson, "the United States became Israel's chief diplomatic
ally and primary arms supplier." An article from the 5 Towns Jewish Times "Our First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson?"
recalls Johnson's continuous support of Jews and Israel in the 1940s and 50s, and concludes: "President Johnson firmly pointed
American policy in a pro-Israel direction." The article also mentions that, "research into Johnson's personal history indicates
that he inherited his concern for the Jewish people from his family. His aunt Jessie Johnson Hatcher, a major influence on LBJ, was
a member of the Zionist Organization of America." And, in an additional note: "The line of Jewish mothers can be traced back
three generations in Lyndon Johnson's family tree. There is little doubt that he was Jewish."[54] Morris Smith, "Our First Jewish
President Lyndon Johnson? – an update!!," 5 Towns Jewish Times, April 11, 2013, on 5tjt.com.
Whatever was the reason of Johnson's loyalty to Israel, it is a fact that, thanks to Johnson, Israel could continue its military
nuclear program undisturbed, and acquire its first atomic bomb around 1965. Historian Stephen Green writes: "Lyndon Johnson's
White House saw no Dimona, heard no Dimona, and spoke no Dimona when the reactor went critical in early 1964."[55] Stephen Green, Taking Sides:
America's Secret Relations With a Militant Israel, William Morrow & Co., 1984, p. 166.
Thanks to JFK's death, Israel was also able to carry out its plan to annex Palestinian territories beyond the boundaries imposed
by the United Nations Partition plan. By leaning on Pentagon and CIA hawks, Johnson intensified the Cold War and created the climate
of tension which Israel needed in order to demonize Egyptian president Nasser and reinforce its own stature as indispensable ally
in the Middle East.
During the Six Day War of 1967, Israel managed to triple its territory, while creating the illusion of acting in legitimate
defense. The lie could not deceive American Intelligence agencies, but Johnson had given a green light to Israel's attack, and even
authorized James Angleton of the CIA to give Israel the precise positions of the Egyptian air bases, which enabled Israel to destroy
them in just a few hours.
Four days after the start of the Israeli attack, Nasser accepted the ceasefire request from the UN Security Council. It was too
soon for Israel, which had not yet achieved all its territorial objectives. On June 8, 1967, the USS Liberty, a NSA spy ship stationed
in international waters off Sinai, was bombed, strafed and torpedoed during 75 minutes by Israeli Mirage jets and three torpedo boats,
with the obvious intention of sinking it without leaving any survivors. (Even the rescue channels were machine-gunned.) Meanwhile,
Johnson, from the White House, intervened personally to prohibit the nearby Sixth Fleet from rescuing the USS Liberty after the crew,
despite the initial destruction of its transmitters, had managed to send off an SOS.
The attack would have been blamed on Egypt if it had succeeded, that is, if the ship had sunk and its crew had all died. The operation
would then have given Johnson a pretext for interveening on the side of Israel against Egypt.
But it failed. The USS Liberty affair was suppressed by a commission of inquiry headed by Admiral John Sidney McCain II, Commander-in-Chief
of US Naval Forces in Europe (and Father of Arizona Senator John McCain III). Johnson accepted Israel's spurious "targeting error"
explanation. In January 1968 he invited the Israeli Prime Minister, Levi Eshkol, to Washington, and warmly welcomed him to his Texas
ranch. What's more, Johnson rewarded Israel by lifting the embargo on offensive military equipment: US-made tanks and aircraft immediately
flowed to Tel Aviv.
This failed false flag attack is evidence of the secret complicity of Johnson and Israel, implying high treason on the part of
Johnson.
Let's now conclude our overview of the evidence: beside the fact that John and Robert were brothers, their assassinations
have at least two things in common: Lyndon Johnson and Israel.
First, their deaths are precisely framed by Johnson's presidency, which was also the context for other political assassinations,
such as Martin-Luther King's. Johnson was in control of the State during the two investigations on John and Robert's murders.
Secondly, in both cases, we find the fingerprints of Israel's deep state. In the case of Robert, it is the choice of the manipulated
patsy, which was obviously meant to disguise Robert's assassination as an act of hatred against Israel. In the case of John, it it
is the identity of the man asked to kill the patsy, a Jewish gangster linked to the Irgun.
Johnson and Israel, the two common elements in the Kennedy assassinations, are themselves closely linked, since Johnson can be
considered as a high-level sayan, a man secretly devoted to Israel, or owned by Israel, to the point of committing high treason
against the nation he had been elected to lead and protect.
The causal link between the two assassinations then becomes clear: even if Robert had been pro-Israel, which he was not, Israel
and Johnson would still have had a compelling reason to eliminate him before he got to the White House, where he could -- and would
-- reopen the investigation on his brother's death.
What should have been obvious from the start now appears brightly clear: in order to solve the mystery of the assassination of
John Kennedy, one has simply to look into the two other assassinations which are connected to it: the assassination of Lee Harvey
Oswald, the man whose trial could have exposed the hoax and possibly put the plotters into the light, and the assassination of Robert
Kennedy, the man who would have reopened the case if he had lived. And both these assassinations bear the signature of Israel.
At his death in 1968, Robert Kennedy left eleven orphans, not counting John's two children, whom he had somewhat adopted. John's
son, John F. Kennedy Jr., aka John John, who had turned three the day of his father's funeral, embodied the Kennedy myth in the heart
of all Americans. The route seemed traced for him to become president one day. He died on July 16, 1999, with his pregnant wife and
his sister-in-law, when his private plane suddenly and mysteriously nose-dived into the ocean a few seconds after he had announced
his landing on the Kennedy property in Massachusetts.
John John had long been portrayed as a superficial, spoiled and harmless young man. But that image was as misleading as young
Halmet's in Shakespeare's play. John had serious interest in mind, and, at age 39, he was just entering politics. In 1995 he founded
George magazine, which seemed harmless until it began to take an interest in political assassinations. In March 1997, George
published a 13-page article by the mother of Yigal Amir, the convicted assassin of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. The article
was supporting the thesis of a conspiracy by the Israeli far-right. So JFK Jr. was eliminated while following in the footsteps of
his father, entering politics through the door of journalism and taking an interest in the crimes of the Israeli deep state. Canadian-Israeli
journalist Barry Chamish believes John Kennedy Jr. was assassinated precisely for that.
[56] Barry Chamish, "The Murder of
JFK Jr – Ten Years Later," www.barrychamish.com (also on: www.rense.com/general87/tenyrs.htm).
The nonsensical notion of a mysterious curse on the Kennedy family is an obvious smoke screen. The unsolved murders of JFK and
his two legitimate heirs -- his younger brother and his only son -- require a more rational explanation. The sense that the official
stories about their deaths amount to a huge cover-up is obsessing the American psyche, a bit like a repressed family secret affecting
the whole personality from a subconscious level.
President John Kennedy and his brother are heroic, almost Christ-like figures, in the heart of a growing community of citizens
who have become aware of the disastrous longtime effect of their assassinations. Only when the American public at large come to grips
with the truth of their deaths and honor their legacy and sacrifice will America have a chance to be redeemed and be great again.
[9] Extract of TV news in
the documentary film Evidence of Revision: Part 4: The RFK assassination as never seen before , 01:11:42
[10] Jerry Cohen, "Yorty
Reveals That Suspect's Memo Set Deadline for Death," Los Angeles Times, June 6, 1968, pages 1 and 12, on latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/06/june-6-1968.html.
Jerry Cohen, "Jerusalem-Born Suspect Called An Anti-Semite," The Salt Lake Tribune , June 6, 1968, on
www.newspapers.com. See also Harry Rosenthal, "Senator Kennedy's support
for Israel promoted decision declares Sirhan," The Telegraph, March 5, 1969, on news.google.com
[11] Sasha Issenberg, "Slaying
gave US a first taste of Mideast terror," Boston Globe, June 5, 2008, on
www.boston.com
[12] Jeffrey Salkin, "Remember
What Bobby Kennedy Died For," Forward.com, June 5, 2008. Also Michael Fischbach, "First Shot in Terror War Killed RFK,"
Los Angeles Times, June 02, 2003, on articles.latimes.com
[13] Frank Morales, "The
Assassination of RFK: A Time for Justice!" June 16, 2012, on www.globalresearch.ca;
watch on YouTube, "RFK Assassination 40 th Anniversary (2008) Paul Schrade on CNN."
[14] Philip Melanson,
The Robert F. Kennedy Assassination: New Revelations On the Conspiracy And Cover-Up, S.P.I. Books , 1994, p. 25. For
a full overview, watch Shane O'Sullivan's 2007 investigative documentary RFK Must Die: The Assassination of Bobby Kennedy.
For more detail, read his book Who Killed Bobby? The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy , Union Square Press, 2008. See
also Don Schulman's testimony in The Second Gun (1973), from 42 min 40.
[15] In a parole hearing
in 2011, failing to convince the judges for the fourteenth time. Watch on YouTube, "Sirhan Sirhan Denied Parole":
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsm1hKPI9EU
[16] Shane O'Sullivan,
Who Killed Bobby? The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy , Union Square Press, 2008, p. 5, 44, 103.
[17] Jacqui Goddard, "Sirhan
Sirhan, assassin of Robert F.Kennedy, launches new campaign for freedom 42 years later," The Telegraph, December 3, 2011,
on www.telegraph.co.uk/search/
[18] Colin Ross, Bluebird:
Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists , Manitou Communications, 2000,summary on
www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg
[19] David B. Green, "Brainwashing
and Cross-dressing: Israel's Assassination Program Laid Bare in Shocking Detail," Haaretz, February 5, 2018.
[20] Ronald Kessler,
The Sins of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He Founded, Hodder & Stoughton, 1996.
[22] Jeffrey Salkin, "Remember
What Bobby Kennedy Died For , " op. cit. .
[23] Michael Collins Piper,
False Flag, op. cit., p. 78.
[24] Tom Mangold, Cold
Warrior: James Jesus Angleton: the CIA's Master Spy Hunter, Simon & Schuster, 1991, p. 318.
[25] Michael Howard Holzman,
James Jesus Angleton, the CIA, and the Craft of COunterintelligence, University of Massachusetts Press, 2008, p. 153.
[26] "Assassination studies
Kennedy knew a coup was coming," on Youtube. Image of Arthur Krock's article is shown on
www.youtube.com/watch?v=snE161QnL1U at 1:36.
[27] "Harry Truman Writes:
Limit CIA Role to Intelligence," Washington Post, December 22, 1963, quoted in Mark Lane, Last Word: My Indictment of the
CIA in the Murder of JFK , Skyhorse Publishing, 2011 , p. 246.
[28] Thomas Troy, "Truman
on CIA," September 22, 1993, on www.cia.gov ; Sidney Krasnoff, Truman and Noyes:
Story of a President's Alter Ego, Jonathan Stuart Press, 1997.
[29] Michael Collins Piper,
False Flags: Template for Terror, American Free Press, 2013, p. 67.
[30] James Douglass,
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, Touchstone, 2008 , p. 46.
[31] George de Mohrenschilldt,
I am a Patsy! on jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/hscapatsy.htm
[32] Read the Sheriff's
Office report on mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death2.txt
[33] Meir Doron, Confidential:
The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon – Arnon Milchan , Gefen Books, 2011, p. xi.
[34] Stuart Winer, "Hollywood
producer Arnon Milchan reveals past as secret agent," The Times of Israel, November 25, 2013, on
www.timesofisrael.com ; Meir Doron, Confidential: The Life of Secret
Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon – Arnon Milchan , Gefen Books, 2011, p. xi
[35] Mickey Cohen, In
My Own Words , Prentice-Hall, 1975, p. 91-92.
[36] Michael Collins Piper,
Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy , American Free Press, 6 th ed., ebook 2005,
p. 133-155, 226.
[37] William Kunstler,
My Life as a Radical Lawyer , Carol Publishing, 1994, p. 158; Steve North, "Lee Harvey Oswald's Killer 'Jack Ruby' Came From
Strong Jewish Background," The Forward , November 17, 2013, on forward.com
[38] Bryan Edward Stone,
The Chosen Folks: Jews on the Frontiers of Texas, University of Texas Press, 2010, p. 200.
[39] John Hughes-Wilson,
JFK-An American Coup d'État: The Truth Behind the Kennedy Assassination, John Blake, 2014.
[40] Natasha Mozgovaya,
"Prominent Jewish-American politician Arlan Specter dies at 82," Haaretz, October 14, 2012, on
www.haaretz.com.
[41] Alan Hart, Zionism:
The Real Enemy of the Jews, vol. 2: David Becomes Goliath, Clarity Press, 2009 , p. 273.
[42] Warren Bass, Support
any Friend: Kennedy's Middle East and the Making of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, 2003, p. 219.
[43] Quoted in George and
Douglas Ball, The Passionate Attachment: America's Involvement With Israel, 1947 to the Present , W.W. Norton & Co., 1992,
p. 51.
[44] Philip Muehlenbeck,
Betting on the Africans: John F. Kennedy's Courting of African Nationalist Leaders, Oxford UP, 2012.
[51] Seymour Hersh,
The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy , Random House, 1991, p. 94-97.
[52] Arthur Schlesinger,
A Thousand Days: John Kennedy in the White House (1965), Mariner Books, 2002, p. 56; Alan Hart, Zionism, vol. 2,
op. cit., p. 257.
[53] Phillip Nelson,
LBJ: The Mastermind, op; cit. , p. 320.
[54] Morris Smith, "Our
First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson? – an update!!," 5 Towns Jewish Times, April 11, 2013, on 5tjt.com.
[55] Stephen Green,
Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations With a Militant Israel, William Morrow & Co., 1984, p. 166.
My interest in this is as the reader of a good thriller which I can excuse myself spending time on because it is just possible
that I shall learn something about the real world including important levels of government. So no dog in any fight. But I am alerted
to conventional journalistic slickness by such foolishness as the snide and inaccurate statement that Alan Dershowitz is best
known as counsel for Jonathan Pollard. Also the slippery statement that a connection between the two brothers' assassinations
should be "assumed". (Obviously it is worth asking a few questions such as "could there be common motives but that sort of intelligent
lateral thinking is not what the author was talking about).
Arthur J. Schlesinger is mentioned so why not his careful journal record of what RFK had to say about his brother's assassination.
A recent NYRB article suggests that, while he didn't think much of the Warren Commission's work, his suspicions only extended
to Cuba and "gangsters".
A recent TV series (not mentioned here) using recently declassified material does strongly suggest that Oswald was relying
for support on a group if fiercely anti-Castro Cubans who had been infiltrated by a Castro man. Not difficult to see why in the
end he might have thought he was a patsy. Also there is no mention here of the at least plausible theory that the fatal bullet
was one accidentally fired by a Secret Serviceman in the car behind.
The total rubbish about JFK Jr's plane crash also serves to undermine credibility and support the view that this is written
by someone suffering a severe case of confirmation bias.
A very good article. With my limited studies on the JFK murder I came to the same conclusion: Piper was essentially correct,
but you fill up the case of Robert Kennedy in a convincing way. Maybe Meyer Lansky could be mentioned, he probably had some role.
But the issue was the bomb.
The truth is that Robert Kennedy was much despised by Israel and its Jewish-American lobby of the time, the American Zionist Council
(AZC) and was considered a major foe. After many months of back and forth, on Oct 11, 1963 the New York law firm representing
the AZC received a formal written demand from Attorney General RFK's office to immediately (72 hours) proceed to register as foreign
agents under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938. Forms for said registration accompanied the letter. This would have
upended the AZC's operations and rendered it or any subsequent Israeli lobby (AIPAC) – near powerless.
The JFK assasination is a very interesting whodunnit and the couple of books I have read on it led to me to the very same conclusion
as the author. A lot of credit must go to Piper. I think Gary Wean was correct, there was a plot to stage a fake assassination
attempt on JFK within which the actual assassination was hidden, presumably overseen by Angleton. Too many who knew better were
looking the other way, and their effective complicity made them very interested in a cover up.
Israel was created by the British oligarchs as a bridgehead in the Middle East. Furthering Israel was/is furthering the interests
of those oligarchs (who ran the British Empire which morphed to the Anglo-American Empire). JFK was critical of Israel. If someone
killed him, it the Anglo-American deep state. Israel likely pulled the trigger. Let's remember what the fake father of Modern
Zionism who admired Cecil Rhodes, Theodor Herl said: "England will get ten million agents for her greatness and influence."
A parallel could also be established between the killing of JFK and the "Six-Day War" of 1967
In 1954, Israeli teamed with the Muslim Brotherhood to plant explosives in American and British offices to start a civil war
to prompt the presence of British troops. The failed terror plot was known as the "Lavon Affair".
In 1956, Israel (supported by Britain and France) invaded Egypt to retake the Suez Canal nationalized by Nasser. Deterring
Nasser who had crushed the Muslim Brotherhood (a British machination aimed at keeping Muslim nations backwards culturally and
economically ( https://bit.ly/2J06YDO )) was also another primary objective.
Einsenhower was the one who tenaciously worked on removing Israel from Egypt but it didn't come easy:
1956-1957: England and France removed their troops following Einsenhower's advise but Israel did not. As a result, Eisenhower
joined the 75 countries at the UN General Assembly (February 1957) to pass a resolution against Israel's occupation of Egyptian
territory. Despite that, Israel still refused to remove its troops. It made Einsenhower reach out to the Congress but it was heavily
bought out by Zionists and the end-result was to no avail.. When that failed, Einsenhower met with congressional leaders to gather
support but even they were in support of Israel. Einsenhower then went on TV to make the case public. After which he threatened
Israel with sanctions (including the $40M of tax deductible donations and $60M of private bonds). Making the case public and threatening
economically worked – Israel withdrew its troops.
The failed invasion was a major blow to Britain (who's PM resigned) France and Israel (who destroyed everything on its way
out).
In spite of the mendacious narrative regurgitated in the West about the war of 1967, it was Israel who planned and attacked
its neighbors. The seizing of the Golan Heights, the West Bank and Gaza were objectives Israel couldn't achieve in 1948 and deterring
Nasser, an objective failed in 1956. The only problem Israel had was: would another US President intervene. Norman Finkelstein,
who's research on 1967 is to date unchallenged successfully, showed that Israel sent diplomats to Washington
The U.S. agreed with Israel that Nasser had no plans to attack.
The U.S. agreed that Israel would easily defeat Egypt on the battlefield, either alone or with any combination of other
Arab nations.
And the U.S. tacitly gave Israel permission to start the war, or at least indicated there would be no repeat of Eisenhower's
repudiation after the 1956 Suez invasion.
We all know who followed JFK. None other than absolute bent-over to Israel, Lyndon Johnson.
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If I could make a parallel on the Palestinians: it's "interesting" how they always found themselves in the spotlight of major
plots, killings and terror acts after the creation of the British Zionist State known as Israel. One has to only remember the
airplane hijackings, Munich, etc. Coincidentally, most of those Palestinians were all led by the infamous Abu Nidal – who was
never apprehended while the rest of the Palestinians were either killed or arrested.
The case of 9/11 wasn't any different. The five dancing Israelis, who were "documenting the event" from New Jersey proclaimed
– while being arrested:
"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."
Ari Ben-Menashe, in his book "Profits of War : Inside the Secret U.S.-Israeli Arms Network" spoke of the CIA and the Mossad
covertly training Palestinians in Yugoslavia to have them attack Western targets. The ultimate goal was to draw negative attention
and sentiment against their cause.
Most of the information was from the book Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the Love Triangle That
Brought Down the Kennedys , by Peter Evans.
In December 1971 Aristotle Onassis's ex-wife Tina met with their daughter Christina to ask her to stop bad-mouthing her current
husband Stavros Niarchos, a man long hated by Aristotle Onassis. Christina was Niarcho's niece and step-daughter, since he had
been married to Tina's sister Eugenie and was now married to Tina herself. Among the accusations that Christina kept repeating
about Niarchos was that he had murdered Eugenie. In order to give Christina a broader perspective, Tina informed Christina that
her father Aristotle had financed the assassination of Robert Kennedy.
The next day Christina passed this information on to her brother Alexander Onassis, who subsequently placed some related papers
into a safe-deposit box. After that, Alexander told his lover Fiona Thyssen that these papers would prevent his father Aristotle
from harming Fiona, a woman long hated by Aristotle Onassis. Since Fiona was 16 years older than Alexander, Aristotle considered
her to be a gold-digger and wanted her out of Alexander's life.
Several months later Alexander showed some of his papers to Yannis Georgakis, a lawyer who was close to the entire Onassis
family. The papers included photocopies of pages from the notebooks of Sirhan Sirhan, who had assassinated Robert Kennedy. During
the weeks before the assassination, Sirhan would place himself into a hypnotic state and write stream-of-conscious thoughts into
a notebook. On one page Sirhan had written at the center of a roundel, amid Arabic writing, the single name Fiona . On
another page he had written 2 Narkos! . On a third page, between the lines One Hundred thousand Dollars and Dollars
and One Hundreds , Sirhan had written in Arabic: they should be killed , next to which he had written the number
three .
It was obvious to Tina, Christina and Alexander that for some reason Sirhan had been hypnotized into a fixation on killing
three people -- Fiona Thyssen, Stavros Niarchos, and Robert Kennedy -- who had long been fiercely hated by Aristotle Onassis.
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In the fall of 1974 a 34-year-old photographer Helene Gaillet was stranded in Paris on her way to a job in Africa, because the
job was canceled. A year earlier she had met Aristotle Onassis at a dinner party in New York, and he had told her to call him
if she ever needed a place to stay in Paris. She called his number but was told he was away on his private island, Skorpios, in
the Aegean Sea. Several minutes later, however, Onassis returned her call and invited her to join him in Skorpios. He would fly
her there at his own expense. She accepted his invitation and subsequently spent several days with him there.
During that time they had a short affair, which included a series of intimate conversations about their lives. By that time
his health was failing (he died four months later), so he was in a confessional mood. During one of those conversations he told
her, "You know, Helene, I put up the money for Bobby Kennedy's murder."
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In May 1968 the above-mentioned lawyer Yannis Georgakis was serving as the chief executive officer of Olympic Airways, which
was owned by Aristotle Onassis. Georgakis was informed by a Mossad official serving in Israel's embassy in Paris that Onassis
was meeting regularly in Paris with a Palestinian terrorist named Mahmoud Hamshari. About a week later Onassis informed Georgakis
that a Palestinian terrorist group had demanded $1.2 million in protection money from Olympic Airlines, threatening to blow up
the company's airliners if the money was not paid. Onassis said he had reached an agreement with Hamshari and now needed $200,000
from the company's funds to pay the first installment of the protection money. Onassis assured Georgakis that the subsequent installment
payments would be arranged "off the books" and channeled through Onassis's Panama corporations.
Reluctantly, Georgakis agreed to provide the $200,000. He asked to be included in any future negotiations between Onassis and
Hamshari, but Onassis assured him that the entire agreement had already been settled and that no further negotiations should occur.
Onassis flew to New York with the $200,000 in cash. He put all the money into a shopping bag and gave it to his long-time chauffeur,
Roosevelt Zanders, who personally delivered the money to someone in an apartment at United Nations Plaza. As instructed by Onassis,
Zanders did not ask for a receipt for the money.
To be continued.
Continued from my previous comment at 7:08 a.m.
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In January 1954 Aristotle Onassis signed a secret agreement with Saudi Arabia's finance minister. The agreement basically said
that Onassis would provide Saudi Arabia with its own fleet of oil tankers. Saudi Arabia expected that its ownership of such a
fleet would help that country to become independent of Western petroleum companies, to earn a fuller share of profits, and eventually
to nationalize the entire industry on its territory. Onassis expected to earn hundreds of millions of dollars for his role in
the arrangement.
Despite the secrecy, however, the US Government soon learned of the deal and during the following months employed a variety
of methods to undermine it. The US Justice Department found fault with Onassis's past purchases of oil tankers and subsequently
seized his tankers and also money he had earned from those tankers. In February 1954 the Justice Department arrested Onassis himself
and charged him with criminal conspiracy to buy the tankers illegally. The State Department pressured the Saudi government to
disassociate itself from Onassis. Arrangements were made for Peru to seize nine of Onassis's whaling ships. One of Onassis's business
associates was pressured to sue Onassis for swindling him out of $200,000 and to accuse Onassis of paying a $350,000 bribe to
the Saudi finance minister. Eventually in October 1954 King Saud decided not to sign the agreement, which therefore became void.
All these developments almost bankrupted Onassis.
Most of Onassis's anger about the collapse of the Saudi deal was misdirected toward Robert Kennedy, who in 1954 was a 29-year-old
attorney working on the staff of a Senate subcommittee. One of Kennedy's investigations for the subcommittee had raised accusations
about shipping business that some Greek companies conducted with Red China, but this issue did not involve Onassis in particular.
Kennedy did not play any apparent role in the seizure of Onassis's assets or in his arrest. The business associate who sued Onassis
hired as an expert witness an accountant who had worked for Robert's father Joseph Kennedy for many years, but that accountant
had no direct association with Robert Kennedy himself.
In fact Robert Kennedy had nothing at all to do with the US Government's discovery of Onassis's Saudi deal. The CIA station
in Athens had been informed about it by another Greek shipper, Stavros Niarchos, who was Onassis's brother-in-law (the two men
were married to two sisters). Niarchos had heard about the deal from Onassis's wife Tina, who was involved in a love affair with
Niarchos.
In order to protect the real source of its information, the CIA cleverly encouraged Onassis's initial reaction that the deal
had been exposed during Kennedy's investigation of the Greek shippers who did business with Red China. For example, the accountant
of Robert Kennedy's father was apparently moved into and out of the lawsuit in order to inflame Onassis's suspicions about Kenned's
role in the matter. Niarchos himself certainly collaborated in the continuing effort to divert Onassis's anger away from himself
and onto Kennedy. And in the following years Kennedy himself publicly criticized Onassis on many occasions, which further enraged
Onassis.
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In the early 1960s Onassis became closely involved in several business enterprises with a fellow Greek ex-patriot, Spyros Skouras,
who had immigrated to the United States in 1912. Skouras became a movie producer and during that career, he clashed angrily several
times with Joseph Kennedy, who was also a movie producer. In May 1962 Skouras's movie studio was losing millions of dollars in
the filming of Cleopatra and Something's Got to Give . The latter movie starred Marilyn Monroe, who was extraordinarily
capricious and absent during the filming. In conversations with Onassis, Skouras blamed Monroe's misbehavior on Robert Kennedy,
her secret lover. Skouras knew about this affair (and about Monroe's earlier affair with John Kennedy) and informed Onassis.
Exasperated by the problems and losses caused by these two films, Skouras decided to leave the movie business and to establish
a shipping business. Onassis invested $10 million in Skouras's shipping business, which intended to introduce new loading and
unloading technology that would require far fewer longshoremen. Because of this manpower issue, Onassis became involved in negotiations
with Jimmy Hoffa, the chief of the Teamsters labor union and also a hater of Robert Kennedy, who was then the US Attorney General.
During this same time, Onassis began a love affair with Lee Radziwill, the younger sister of Jacqueline Kennedy. Lee and her
husband Prince Stanislas Radziwill were each divorced from previous spouses when they married each other, so they married in a
civil wedding instead of a Roman Catholic wedding. Since John Kennedy was now President of the United States, Robert Kennedy used
the family's prestige to try to convince the Catholic Church to annul the Radziwills' previous marriages. This effort (and the
Kennedy family's reputation) was endangered by publicity about Lee's affair with Onassis, and so Robert Kennedy phoned Onassis
directly and asked him to stay away from Lee. Onassis responded with the words, "Bobby, you and Jack fuck your movie queen [Monroe]
and I'll fuck my princess [Radziwill]." Onassis thus revealed to Robert Kennedy that he knew about the Kennedy-Monroe affairs,
which were still very secret.
Also during this same time, Hoffa learned (perhaps from Onassis) about the Kennedy brothers' affairs with Monroe and so he
bugged Monroe's home and telephones to record related conversations. Through these recordings, Hoffa learned that Monroe and Robert
Kennedy had met in Monroe's home on August 4, 1962, a few hours before she died of an overdose and that some of Kennedy's associates
had subsequently entered her house during the period between her death and the notification of the police. Hoffa apparently hinted
to Onassis about the existence of these tape recordings, since Onassis asked Monroe's publicist whether he knew anything about
them, offering to pay big money to buy them.
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During the following months Robert Kennedy communicated subtle threats in order to pressure Onassis to stay away from Lee Radziwill.
The main thrust of these threats was that Kennedy would exploit his position as US Attorney General to cause legal problems for
Onassis and his businesses. This pressure backfired, as Onassis arranged for Radziwill to live blatantly with him on his yacht.
The feud escalated dramatically in September 1963, when Jackie herself also moved onto the yacht for a few weeks in order to convalesce
from a miscarriage. Robert Kennedy responded by continuing his subtle threats against Onassis, and Onassis responded by seducing
Jacqueline on the yacht.
Refreshed by her affair with Onassis, Jacqueline returned to the White House. A few weeks later, on November 22, 1963, John
Kennedy was assassinated. At Jacqueline's invitation, Onassis came and stayed in the White House during the funeral days. Robert
Kennedy confronted Onassis in the White House, and they eventually engaged in a ridiculous argument that embarrassed Onassis in
front of the other guests. Kennedy wrote up a written statement for Onassis to sign, promising to donate half of his wealth to
the poor, and Onassis signed the paper with Greek words that nullified the promise.
In the months following the assassination, Jacqueline wanted to quickly marry Onassis, but this desire was discouraged by Robert
Kennedy, who now headed the Kennedy family. Robert Kennedy managed to prevent the marriage as long as he lived. He was assassinated
on June 5, 1968. Onassis then married Jacqueline on October 20.
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To be continued.
Continued from my previous comments.
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In January 1968 David Karr arranged for Mahmoud Hamshari, also known as Dr. Michel Hassner, to be introduced to Aristotle Onassis.
Karr introduced Dr. Michel Hassner to Onassis's circle as an expert in aviation finance who would propose a restructuring of the
debt of Onassis's Olympic Airline. Eventually, Hamshari (aka Hassner), using money provided by Onassis, arranged for Sirhan Sirhan
to assassinate Robert Kennedy.
David Karr had known Onassis since 1956. Karr worked in many varied jobs during his life, but at that time he managed a public
relations company that specialized in helping companies that were involved in proxy fights in corporate takeovers. It might be
more accurate to say that Karr was specialized in performing dirty tricks for his clients. He collected and distributed (or threatened
to distribute) scandalous information about his clients' opponents. By 1967 Onassis was using Karr for a variety of secret tasks;
in that year, for example, he asked Karr to ask Soviet officials about possibly supplying crude oil for a refinery he considered
building near Athens. Onassis's closest associates wondered about that assignment, because Karr had no expertise related to the
petroleum business or to the Soviet Union. Onasssis's trust in Karr was a mystery.
At some point in his own past, while working as a movie producer in Hollywood, Karr had become acquainted with William Joseph
Bryan, Jr., a local hypnotist. Bryan's American Institute of Hypnosis treated people in the film industry for alcohol and drug
additions, and he had served as the technical adviser on the filming of the movie The Manchurian Candidate. Karr gave Bryan's
phone number to Hamshari and advised him to visit Bryan. Karr later said he referred Hamshari to Bryan because Hamshari complained
that he suffered headaches whenever he visited Los Angeles, which he did frequently during 1967 and 1968.
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In the summer of 1979 Karr contacted Leslie Linder, a former movie agent, whom Karr had known while he worked in the movie
business. Karr wanted Linder to represent his proposed memoirs, which would include a revelation that Onassis had played a key
role in the assassination of Robert Kennedy. Linder was interested and scheduled another discussion of the proposal again with
the added participation of Oscar Beuselinck, a London lawyer.
In the meantime, Karr departed for a business meeting in Moscow, where he planned to open a big hotel. He remarked that he
had all the evidence of the Onassis story in Paris, and he promised to call Linder and Beuselinck as soon as he returned from
Moscow.
Karr was found dead in his Paris apartment on the morning of July 7, 1979. He had a fractured larynx, and blood was found on
his pillow. A forensic examination concluded he had died of a heart attack, but his widow Evia Karr and his business partner Ronnie
Driver insist that Karr was murdered by agents of the Palestine Liberation Organization.
Continued from my previous comments
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Mahmoud Hamshari was born in a village near Jaffa in 1939 and eventually became an important official in the Palestinian Fatah.
In June 1967, following the Six-Day War, he attended a Fatah meeting in Damascus to discuss further strategy. The meeting's participants
represented a broad scope of attitudes within Fatah, and Hamshari appeared to be among the most aggressive. When he spoke, he
focused his anger on US support of Israel and proposed actions that would attack the US. In particular, he proposed the Fatah
"kill a high-profile American on American soil" in order to make the US "think twice about backing the Jews."
This proposal seemed to earn little explicit support at the meeting, so Hamshari then proposed that the organization greatly
increase its fund-raising activities in the US, in order to manipulate the US to support the Palestinians too. Fatah apparently
adopted this proposal and assigned Hamshari himself to implement it, operating under the supervision of Fatah's intelligence chief,
Abu Iyad (Salah Khalef). In the following months, Hamshari began to travel to Europe and the United States, using several false
names, including Dr. Michel Hassner. Late in 1967 a Fatah official gave Hamshari a list of Palestinian immigrants living in Los
Angeles. The list had been acquired from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which had records on the Sirhan family, then
living in Los Angeles.
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In some unknown circumstances, Dr. Hassner (Hamshari) began to associate frequently with David Karr, a mysterious associate
of Aristotle Onassis. Karr did not introduce Hassner to Onassis directly, but instead introduced him indirectly into Onassis's
nner circle as an investment consultant for Arab Bank, specializing in the restructuring of airline debts. Such expertise was
of interest because Onassis's Olympic airline was struggling with debts. A meeting between Hassner and Onassis was scheduled for
a day in January 1968 in Paris, but Onassis left for Athens unexpectedly right before the meeting. Therefore Hassner met instead
with several members of Onassis's inner circle. The airline's chief executive officer, Yannis Georgakis, was not informed about
the meeting by Onassis and so did not participate.
At this meeting, Hassner revealed to the group that he had been approached by a Palestinian terror group who demanded that
the airline pay $350,000 to the group so that they not blow up bombs on Olympic airliners. Hassner said he was acting only as
an honest broker, a facilitator, and did not know the identities of the terrorists, who had contacted him through the Palestine
National Fund.
After Onassis returned to Paris, he began to meet frequently in Paris with Hassner, the two alone. Between meetings, Hassner
sometimes traveled to Los Angeles and back. Karr says that during this period he gave Hassner the phone number of a Los Angeles
hypnotist named William Joseph Bryan, Jr.
Georgakis, the CEO of Olympic, heard about Hassner for the first time in May 1968. He heard about him not from Onassis, but
from a Mossad official stationed at the Israeli embassy in Paris. Onassis himself informed Georgakis about a week later, saying
that he had already decided to pay $1.2 million (no longer just $350,000) to Hassner and that Georgakis should provide the first
$200,000 in cash from Olympic funds. Georgakis complied, and Onassis subsequently flew with the cash to New York, where his chauffeur
delivered it to an apartment at United Nations Plaza.
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To be continued.
Allow me to conclude with one more passage.
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On the evening of June 4, 1968, an itinerant Christian preacher named Jerry Owen (he himself said) parked a horse trailer outside
the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, where Robert Kennedy's campaign organization had scheduled its anticipated victory following
the California primary elections. Later that night, Sirhan assassinated Kennedy in the hotel. The next day, Owen reported to the
Los Angeles police that he had picked up Sirhan and a young woman hitchhiking on June 3. During the course of that meeting, Owen
said, Sirhan had agreed to buy a horse from Owen on the night of June 4 in the hotel parking lot. That deal, explained Owen, was
why he himself had parked his horse trailer in the parking lot and why Sirhan had four one-hundred-dollar bills in his pocket
when he was arrested. Owen further surmised that Sirhan intended to use the horse trailer as a get-away vehicle.
The Police basically dismissed Owen's report as a publicity stunt. (In 1970 this incident was examined in a lawsuit that Owen
filed against a television station. During that trial, several witnessed testified that Owen had become acquainted with Sirhan
at the Corona race track, where on one occasion a few weeks before the assassination Owen had given Sirhan a large wad of cash)
Immediately after he was arrested, Sirhan declared that "I did it for my country." Within a few minutes, though, he began avoiding
any discussion of his motive. He instead wanted to talk with the investigating policemen about Albert DeSalvo, the so-called Boston
Strangler. Later, Sirhan claimed that he had no memory of anything about the assassination, about his intention, about his notebooks,
or about the act itself. During his trial he reluctantly allowed his lawyers to construct a legal defense of diminished responsibility
due to mental illness.
Sirhan was not hypnotized by himself or anyone else in order to manipulate him to assassinate Robert Kennedy. Even without
the hypnosis, Sirhan was willing and eager to assassinate Kennedy because of the latter's support for Israel. The initial purpose
of Sirhan's self-hypnosis was to focus his mind and bolster courage for this difficult mission. Eventually, though, the hypnosis
served also as a legal excuse to try to avoid execution. The notebook served as evidence that he was often in deep trances and
so plausibly had no memory of the assassination. Also, the hypnosis deflected political blame from the Palestinian cause as Sirhan's
main motivation.
Sirhan hoped that if he could avoid execution, then eventually he would be freed in a prisoner swap forced by Palestinian terrorists.
He was sentenced to death, but later that sentence was commuted when the Supreme Court declared the death penalty to be unconstitutional.
Sirhan mentioned Albert DeSalvo repeatedly in his notebooks and at the police station immediately after his arrest. DeSalvo
had been hypnotized by a Los Angeles hypnotist named William Joseph Bryan. After he died in 1977, a couple of prostitutes whom
he frequently hired told investigators that he sometimes bragged that he had hypnotized Albert DeSalvo and Sirhan Sirhan.
They most certainly did. They stole US enriched plutonium and triggers for Israel's continuing illegal nuclear weapons programs.
They also whipped up the entire cold war and the Vietnam war as a cover for the genocide and theft of Palestine. They passed nuclear
weapons research through jews like the Rosenbergs and Pollard to their other puppet, the USSR, so that the US and the entire planet
could be kept under their strategy of tension while they set up the capital of the planet in Jerusalem.
But that is all merely frosting on the cake. This family and its satellites started the American Revolution, the French Revolution,
the US war of northern aggression, the Spanish-American war, WWI, WWII, the Korean War and is directly responsible for the never
ending wars for Eretz Israel. With their Havara agreement, this family set up all the jews that it deemed racially inferior to
suffer through WWII in Europe while it forced the National Socialists to set up training centers to train young Zionist Übermenschen
in all facets of German technology before shipping them, with their belongings, tools and equipment to Palestine. It is also amazing
that immediately after the war they twisted Germany's arm into resuming the shipments of technology, power stations, trains and
ships.
Israel clearly is not a legal state in any sense of the word. It is the capital of by far the worlds largest crime syndicate.
It is a scourge to all humanity.
JFK had also told an aide that Israel would have the 'bomb' over his dead body. Well, Israel has the bomb and control of the
USA, thanks to their murders of the Kennedy's and the masterminding of the 9/11 False Flag.
But if you point this out, you'll get hit with a barrage of anti-Semite slurs, accusing one of being a neo-Nazi or worse, all
the while never discussing what you just wrote.
"A recent NYRB article suggests that, while he didn't think much of the Warren Commission's work, his suspicions only extended
to Cuba and "gangsters"."
Cuba casinos and crime were run by Meyer Lansky. You immediately get the Israel connection as he was a great fried of Israel.
Cuban gangsters are implied in the conspiracy to kill JFK, but that is a link to the theory of Piper. To find the high level perpetrators
it is only enough to ask what important US politics changed when LBJ become the President. Towards Cuba or gangsters, no.
Did Israel kill the Kennedys? It is entirely possible. In fact, any conspiracy theory that links the murders that does not
see the Israelis and American Jews involved is almost certainly a waste of time. But here is what is essential: if Israel
and/or American Jews 'did it,' you can bet your every penny and the lives of your children, spouse, and siblings that America's
WASP Deep State was behind it all.
Once this guy writes, "Given this exceptional bond between the Kennedy brothers, what is the probability that the two Kennedy
assassinations were unrelated? Rather, we should start with the assumption that they are related. Basic common sense suggests
that the Kennedy brothers have been killed by the same force, and for the same motives," there is really no point in reading further.
If his reasoning is so weak and silly as this, what confidence can a reader have in anything else he might come up with? Two women
tried to kill Gerald Ford in 1975; does "basic common sense suggest" that they represented "the same force"? Robert Kennedy and
Martin Luther King were both killed in 1968; does that suggest their murders were related? This guy belongs on Infowars.
I had long thought the shareholders of the Federal Reserve (FR) were behind the assasination. Kennedy had signed the executive
order to forbid the FR from charging interest on its fraud money. He had also proposed the issuance of United States Notes backed
by silver. This would have denied the FR a lot of future income.
Later events by Johnson surely indicated he was at least a water boy for the FR. Johnson went on to sign the coin act that
removed silver from dimes and quarters and reduced the amount of silver in fifty cent coins. He also removed the gold cover requirement
for Federal Reserve notes.
At the very least there were two reasons to get rid of Kennedy; stop the Dimona project and remove jeopardy to FR income.
It is the same Feinberg who, after the Democratic primaries in 1960, made the following proposal to Kennedy, as Kennedy
himself later reported to his friend Charles Bartlett: "We know your campaign is in trouble. We're willing to pay your bills
if you'll let us have control of your Middle East policy."
Whatever the details of the blackmail, Kennedy once confided to his assistant Hyman Raskin, as an apology for taking Johnson,
"I was left with no choice [ ] those bastards were trying to frame me. They threatened me with problems and I don't need more
problems."
I wonder if Trump is confiding in anyone? If he is, it would be interesting to hear what he's saying.
"We all know that Jack and Bobby were killed by lone nutcases three years apart and there can't possibly be any connection
between them. Stop messing about with the Official Narrative."
Maybe the Magic Bullet got Bobby too.
In any case, the involvement of Israel would explain why the complete JFK assassination files will never see the light of day.
Even the CIA doesn't have that kind of clout.
My comment was about the author's failure to take account of one of tbe best sources for what RFK thought and proposed. Obviously
that suggests the question whether it was sloppy research or dishonest suppression.
As to your Meyer Lansky point you do not indicate whether you have any serious claim to knowing anything useful about him and/or
his connection to Israel but surely it is rubbish to talk of his interest in Cuban casinos being relevant. Really!? In 1963? And
anyway you would only be making sense if you were asserting – with reason – that RFK felt constrained to use to his friend Schlesinger
"Cubans or gangsters" as code for Israel.
Or, conceivably you think RFK didn't know what you know about the involvement of Israel but wanted a further inquiry which
might have produced an embarrassing truth about Israel. Really?
Not only did Israel kill JFK and RFK but they also killed JFKjr. with a bomb on his plane and the Israelis did 911 and by the
way the Israeli attack on the USS LIBERTY where 34 dead and 174 were wounded in brutal attack on an American ship and every one
of these diabolical act proved over and over again that Israel and the Zionists control America lock stock and gun barrel.
America is an Israeli slavery colony and the America military is a proxy arm of the IDF to fight Israels wars .
This whole article on Israeli angle is simply preposterous.
If the Dimona project was so crucial, there were numerous other options for Israel to try to persuade JFK to let them proceed
with their project. To try to latch JFK's supposedly adamant decision onto one or two documents is absurd: politicians frequently
change their opinions & actions and there is no proof that JFK considered Dimona to be such a big deal, make-or-break of anything.
Then, Israelis would, even if this were true, be more prone too blackmail JFK- mostly about his sexual escapades, or try to,
say, eliminate him in a clandestine manner (poisoning or something similar).
No, the JFK assassination was a public execution, a coup by the deep state (in modern parlance) in front of the whole world,
the message being: we can do whatever we want & you can't do anything about it.
This family and its satellites started the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the US war of northern aggression,
the Spanish-American war, WWI, WWII, the Korean War
Hmmm – sounds like a family of winners. So how do I sign up with them?
Lansky killed Kennedy for Israel and for mob interests within the U.S. Knock off one president and reap multiple benefits.
Lansky was a fanatical Zionist as well as a crime boss. The JFK hit is all about Permindex and the Lansky-Marcello connection.
The following is from 'Final Judgement' by Michael Collins Piper. "Tibor Rosenbaum was one of the godfathers of the state of
Israel and the first director for finance and supply for Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad. Rosenbaum was a prime financial
angel behind the Permindex corporation. His Swiss banking concern, the Banque De Credit International, also served as the chief
European money laundry or the global crime syndicate of Miami-based crime chief Meyer Lansky."
Yaras, a friend of Jack Ruby, was the hitman. Oswald was heavily intertwined as well.
Lyndon Johnson must have completely known that the hit would take place because he immediately dropped all operations JFK implemented
regarding Israel.
"Given this exceptional bond between the Kennedy brothers, what is the probability that the two Kennedy assassinations were
unrelated? If his reasoning is so weak and silly as this, what confidence can a reader have in anything else he might come up
with?"
I do not find it silly at all. Assuming that the Kennedys were close (which is most probably true), then if JFK was worried
about Israel's atom bomb program, Robert almost certainly knew about it and shared JFK's opinion. He may not have known who was
behind the JFK assassination, but he would very probably have opened the case. If the case is honestly studied, it is immediately
seen as a conspiracy. I confirmed it easily to myself by analyzing the Dictabelt data: more than one shooter. As the likely culprit
is very probably to be found by checking what changed in the US policy (and what changed was the US attitude to the Israel bomb),
the argument of the article becomes quite strong: the purpose of the second assassination was very possibly to cover the first
assassination. I find it purely logical, not silly.
Biff wisely reflected: "I always thought the CIA was suspect, but obviously there are more angles to the story."
Hi Biff,
This article author, Laurent Guyenot, did an admirable job at attempting to distance CIA involvement from Israeli intelligence,
and the killing of JFK, pursuant coup, overturning a US election.
Not so with author Peter Janney who wrote the terrific book, "Mary's Mosaic." He focused upon CIA James Jesus Angleton's Israeli-cozy
career & deadly pre/post assassination undertakings prior to November 23, 1963.
F.y.i, Biff, perhaps you're aware about the Fall 1964 murder (unsolved!) of Mary Pinchot Meyer, CIA Cord Meyer Jr.' ex-wife
and JFK flame?
Unfortunately, Israeli interest & involvement in JFK's killing escaped Peter Janney's survey. Nonetheless, below is Mr. Janet's
very sound description about CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton's mad pursuit to locate & confiscate the diary of the
dead, Mary Pinchot Meyer.
Subsequently, I do not endorse a "Rush to Judgement" that exonerates the CIA from the treasonous Kennedy murders.
They threatened to assassinate 0bama if he got out of line: Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher
suggesting that U.S.-based Israeli Mossad agents might someday need to "order a hit" on the president of the United States.
On Jan. 13 the Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that Israel might someday need to "order
a hit" on the president of the United States. In the column, publisher Andrew Adler describes a scenario in which Israeli Prime
Minister Netanyahu would need to "give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to
Israel." The purpose? So that the vice president could then take office and dictate U.S. policies that would help the Jewish state
"obliterate its enemies." Adler wrote that it is highly likely that the idea "has been discussed in Israel's most inner circles."
He threatened the fake Jews narrative on Hitler too:
From JFK diary. The diary reveals that during his time in Berlin, Kennedy wrote about visiting Hitler's bunker only months
after Germany surrendered in the Second World War.
"You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of
the most significant figures who ever lived," Kennedy wrote in his diary in 1945.
"He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about
him in the way he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him," he added. "He had in him the stuff
of which legends are made."
"The room where Hitler is supposed to have met his death showed scorched walls and traces of fire," he wrote. "There is no
complete evidence, however, that the body that was found was Hitler's body."
"The Russians doubt that he is dead," Kennedy added. JFK was visiting Europe after a stint in the Navy.
Screwed up world we live in when these frauds are our #1 ally, according to the traitors in DC.
We shoulda destroyed them after USS Liberty incident, 9/11 and the mass murder that followed would have been prevented.
To understand exactly what Kennedy's order was trying to do, we must understand the purpose of the legislation which gave
the order its underlying authority. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 (ch. 25, 48 Stat 51) to which Kennedy refers permits
the President to issue silver certificates in various denominations (mostly $1, $2, $5, and $10) and in any total volume so
long as the Treasury has enough silver on hand to redeem the certificates for a specific quantity and fineness of silver and
that the total volume of such currency does not exceed $3 billion. The Silver Purchase Act of 1934 (ch. 674,48 Stat 1178) also
grants this power to the Treasury Secretary subject to similar limitations. Nowhere in the text of the order is a quantity
of money mentioned, so it is unclear how Marrs arrived at his $4.2 billion figure. Moreover, the President could not have authorized
such a large issue because it would have exceeded the statutory limit.2
As economic activity grew in the fifties and sixties, the public demand for low denomination currency grew, increasing the
Treasury's need for silver to back additional certificate issues and to mint new coins (dimes, quarters, half-dollars). However,
during the late fifties the price of silver began to rise and reached the point that the market value of the silver contained
in the coins and backing the certificates was greater than the face value of the money itself.2
To conserve the Treasury's silver needs, the Silver Purchase Act and related measures were repealed by Congress in 1963
with Public Law 88-36. Following the repeal, only the President could authorize new silver certificate issues, and no longer
the Treasury Secretary. The law, signed by Kennedy himself, also permits the Federal Reserve to issue small denomination bills
to replace the outgoing silver certificates (prior to the act, the Fed could only issue Federal Reserve Notes in larger denominations).
The Treasury's shrinking silver stock could then be used to mint coins only and not have to back currency. The repeal left
only the President with the authority to issue silver certificates, however it did permit him to delegate this authority. E.O.
11,110 does this by transferring the authority from the President to the Treasury
Secretary.2
E.O. 11,110 did not create authority to issue new silver certificates, it only affected who could give the order. The purpose
of the order was to facilitate the reduction of certificates in circulation, not to increase them. In October 1964 the Treasury
ceased issuing them entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 (PL 89-81) ended the practice of using silver in most U.S. coins, and
in 1968 Congress ended the redeemability of silver certificates (PL 90-29). E.O. 11,110 was never reversed by President Johnson
and remained on the books until 1987 when there was a general cleaning-up of executive orders (E.O. 12,608, 9/9/87). However,
by this time the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11,110 had been repealed by Congress with PL 97-258 in 1982.2
In summary, E.O. 11,110 did not create new authority to issue additional silver certificates. In fact, its intention was
to ease the process for their removal so that small denomination Federal Reserve Notes could replace them in accordance with
a law Kennedy himself signed. If Kennedy had really sought to reduce Federal Reserve power, then why did he sign a bill that
gave the Fed still more power?
If I could make a parallel on the Palestinians: it's "interesting" how they always found themselves in the spotlight of
major plots, killings and terror acts after the creation of the British Zionist State known as Israel.
But not 9/11 that was perpetrated by inconveniently Saudi terrorists hosted thousands of miles away from Palestine in Nowheresville,
Afghanistan.
Great article. Well-researched and well-presented. It's a convincing case. It reveals the CIA was compromised in favor of Israel.
That was then and this is now.No doubt the Israeli termites have completely consumed the structure. I would have to imagine at
this point the CIA is a dupe division of Mossad and it's so inundated with Israeli Moles to rid the undemocratic organization
of the infestation would be tantamount to playing whack-a-mole. The only option is to burn it to the ground. Destroy it, end it,
and jail the majority of its members, past and present, for High Treason.
One other purpose of Israeli nuclear weapons , not often stated, but obvious, is their "use" on the United States
.
THE THIRD TEMPLE'S HOLY OF HOLIES:
ISRAEL'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Warner D. Farr, LTC, U.S. Army
The Counterproliferation Papers
Future Warfare Series No. 2
USAF Counterproliferation Center
Air War College
Air University
Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama
September 1999
Johnson, IMHO, worst President in US history. HE DID MORE LASTING DAMAGE than even Obama. But the Kennedy myth is overdrawn.
If JFK had lived he would have been reelected but not by a Johnsonian o landslide. Consequently, Congress would have kept him
in check. If HHH had been his VP, Kennedy would have got less out of Congress than with Johnson ( who knew where the bodies were
buried).
The real tragedy is not that Kennedy was so good; it was that Johnson was so bad. Had Bobby won in 1968, he would have torn the
country apart worse than Johnson. There are so many loose ends in this feature it is hard to find where to start. But it is clear
that this person believes that for a few years we Americans had Gods living amongst us.
The curse of the whole Kennedy family was raised by Teddy while successfully avoiding blame and guilt for Mary Jo's unfortunate
accident. However, the author brings the curse to life again while seeming to reject it concerning JFK, junior's plane crash disappearance.
Could pilot error by lack of experience and failure to heed weather forecast advice have had any role in this family's continuing
misadventures?
Is there any explanation for anything negative happening to this clan that can not be blamed on Jews, right-wing extremists, Cosa
Nostra, CIA, the Navy, military intelligence or talk radio?
you can bet your every penny and the lives of your children, spouse, and siblings that America's WASP Deep State was behind
it all.
Certainly complicit. The article does seem to give a pass to the CIA, but if the CIA is everything it's cracked up to be, it
had to know about this and the author even indicates some of its more influential agents were cooperative with Mossad so in the
least it was compromised and therefore complicit in High Treason. If it didn't know, the CIA should have been abolished then &
there but it certainly should be abolished now.
Who hasn't been mentioned so far is the very beautiful and brilliant Mathilde Krim. Krim was LBJ's mistress in the 1960s. She
also just happened to be a fanatical supporter of the interests of Israel. In the late 1940s, she had been an active promoter
of the Israeli terror group The Irgun. Mathilde was also most likely a Mossad agent with long-time contacts to the highest levels
of the Israeli government.
I would have loved to hear the "pillow talk" between these two total opposites: the incredibly crude, totally uncultured and
flabby LBJ and the cultured, slim, sleek and highly educated Krim. You can bet that she was able to supply Israel with a constant
supply of all sorts of top secret information that she was able to extract out of her bedmate. Maybe she also gave advice to LBJ
about who exactly to assassinate or what transgressions by Israel for LBJ to ignore (like the USS Liberty attack).
Mathilde Krim's husband was the very wealthy Arthur Krim, one of the most powerful and active supporters of Israel in the USA.
Mathilde Krim's relationship with LBJ was most likely known about by her husband but was "overlooked" by him because of its huge
value to Israel as both as a source of information as well as for its potential use as blackmail. (You can bet that somewhere
in Israel is a vault full of movies taken of their bedroom activities.)
The heads of MSM at the time apparently knew all about the relationship between Krim and LBJ but "wisely" chose to ignore it
just as they had done for JFK and his affairs.
You can also bet that Krim dropped her boyfriend LBJ like a hot potato once he left office and was no longer of use to her
friends.
I've often wondered to what extent the CIA is Zionized and acting in concert with Israel, and how long it has been that way.
Anecdotally: I had two students at the University of Wisconsin who interviewed with the CIA. Both were NY Jews who ardently supported
Israel, and I do mean ardently. This piece was an eye opener for me. I read all about Angleton in The Devil's Chessboard, but
nothing about his connection with Israel. And LBJ a Jew??
This article is simply bizarre. If the CIA didn't do it why is it still sanitizing the files 55 years later? Surely this
article (which contains numerous basic errors (for example, there were never two entry wounds seen on the front of JFK's body,
only a neck wound) is either written by an ignorant hack or more likely a CIA hack's imaginative narrative designed to confuse
the idiots. For a start try the Kennedy and King website hosted by Jim D'Eugenio and spend a few years getting the facts before
taking this rubbish seriously.
Its actually quite easy. Promise your first born and swear complete and total obeisance, and you are in the club. But remember,
never refuse to partake in the ceremonies and sacrifices. And don't ever even think about backing out of your oath to give up
your first born, otherwise expect the same as what happened to Heath Ledger or Kurt Kobain.
When Langley wants to take that CIA smell off their official line, they use a foreign source. Guyenot's act is boilerplate disinfo,
reinterpreting the obvious with double-reverse psychology.
Like, Truman's editorial, assiduously suppressed by Dulles himself, was a diabolical head-fake. And But but but no invasion
of Cuba followed Kennedy's assassination!! CIA framed Cuba not to justify an immediate attack on Cuba, but to force Warren to
bend over for the official story. LBJ's negotiation with Warren is a matter of historical record. He told Warren that if he
didn't stick with the official bullshit story, Cuba's responsibility would lead to war entailing nuclear war with Russia.
And more standard CIA argumentum ad ignorantiam: you don't know who the CIA mastermind was, so it was Israel. You don't know
who the mastermind was because CIA flouts the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act.
Guyenot applies Occam's sledghammer to prove that it wasn't the guys who had military, commercial, and criminal cutouts nationwide,
extensive illegal domestic operations including blanket surveillance, arbitrary classification authority, and impunity in municipal
law. It was Israel, who cleverly put one over on the dumb ol' CIA, nyuk nyuk nyuk. And CIA couldn't do nuthin' about it. This
is how stupid they think you are.
JFK blah blah blah. CIA's your CHEKA. They've ruled your country since inception. They kill and torture whoever they want.
What are you gonna do about it?
Did Lee Harvey Oswald kill JFK? LHO was a devotee of Casto and when he visited the Cuban Consulate in Mexico and was denied permission
to travel to Cuba Oswald stormed out. The Kennedys were trying to kill Castro, and Oswald,, who had narrowly missed killing
Edwin Walker months before, and found himself in a job that provided a shot on the JFK parade route, killed JFK for his anti communism.
Kennedy had almost taken the world to WW3 in the Cuba crisis, which was Nikita Khrushchev's response to JFK's insane revival of
Eisenhower's plan to give Germany a say in Nukes (to save the US taxpayer money basically). Perhaps it is just as well that Marine-trained
rifleman Oswald put an end to Kennedy when he did.
John, Robert and Ted Kennedy were all extremely friendly to Israel and extremely supportive of the interests of diaspora
Jews. They led the Democratic Party away from the old-left emphasis on economic justice and peace, towards the new-left emphasis
on issues of race and sex.
They weakened the labor unions with their campaign against the Teamsters, they supported tax cuts for the very wealthy, their
support for increased immigration was hostile to the economic interests of the American working class, and they supported an intensification
of the cold war against the Soviet Union. They even knowingly lied about an imaginary "missile gap", in order to present the Democratic
Party as more hawkish than Eisenhower's Republicans.
The Kennedy brothers adopted this platform after the crucially important events of 1956-1957:
In response to the Suez Crisis, Khrushchev's Soviet Union definitively became the patron of Israel's Arab enemies. Simultaneously,
Khrushchev was overseeing a Thermidorian reaction against the excesses of early Bolshevism in eastern Europe. Stalin was denounced,
Matyas Rakosi was exiled, Kaganovich was purged from the Politburo, Solzhenitsyn was released from the gulags, and the Hungarian
counter-revolutionaries were treated less harshly than they would have been in the days of Lenin and Trotsky. A new Bukharinite,
almost semi-nationalist, form of communism developed in eastern Europe – far less deadly, and with jobs and patronage more fairly
distributed among the various ethnicities.
In other words, Soviet communism was no longer "good for the Jews". No longer were millions of counter-revolutionary "antisemites"
being murdered. No longer were Jews massively over-represented in positions of power and prestige. And no longer was the Soviet
Union a supporter of Zionism and Israel.
Similarly, the rise of American Jews from the working class into the upper middle and wealthy classes, meant that domestically
the American old-left economic policies such as progressive taxation and support for rogue unions such as the Teamsters, were
no longer "good for the Jews".
In these circumstances, Eisenhower's moves towards detente with the Soviet Union, insistence on Israeli withdrawal from the
Sinai, support for immigration restriction (which prevented the migration into America of the Jewish former ruling class of communist
eastern Europe – Kaganovich, Rakosi and hordes of lesser-known radical Bolsheviks, commissars and secret police agents), and even
his continuation of FDR-era progressive taxation and public works projects, were seen as "bad for the Jews", just as Kennedy's
exact opposite platform was seen as "good for the Jews".
Perhaps more significantly, the Eisenhower-Nixon cultural conservatism (praising Robert E. Lee as the greatest American who
ever lived, expressing regret for having appointed Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, and living a chaste life of faithfulness
to their wives) contrasted with the cultural radicalism of the Kennedy brothers (full support for the most radical elements of
the civil rights movement, libertine personal lives filled with not-so-secret love affairs).
Compared to what came before, JFK represented an assault on the ethnic self-respect of old-stock Americans and the cultural
norms of traditional Christianity – to the delight of the Jewish movements examined in Kevin MacDonald's Culture of Critique
.
Whatever personal animosity may have existed, in political terms LBJ was indistinguishable from the Kennedy brothers. He too
was hostile towards the Soviet bloc, a friend of Israel, and supportive of the cultural left.
Given this macro-historical background, I think the simplest explanations of the assassinations are correct, and the various
convoluted conspiracy theories are incorrect.
Lee Harvey Oswald was an old-left Marxist who saw JFK as an enemy, a traitor against the "true" left.
Jack Ruby was a hyper-ethnocentric Jewish gangster who murdered Oswald to avenge the death of the Jewish people's best friend.
Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian nationalist.
Conspiracy theorist are typically Kennedy sycophants who don't like being reminded that their heroes were enemies of socialism,
enemies of the long-suffering Palestinian people, and heroes to the likes of Jack Ruby.
They'd prefer to believe that JFK and RFK were martyrs murdered by reactionary WASPs – but that is pure fantasy.
I'm really beginning to wonder what Ron Unz is doing with his website. Last week we got that moronic article by 9/11 doucher David
Lorimer, and now we are treated to a 10,000 word disquisition about how Israel assassinated the Kennedys -- both of which articles
are rather baseless canards but are deeply emotionally appealing to a certain coterie of contrarians and which are sure to attract
(and have attracted) the most odious collection of commenters who are both uninterested in and oblivious to the the truth about
any of it. Not only is it a frustrating exercise in futility to try to discuss anything with such people (their minds are closed
not only with respect to the lunacy that they themselves believe but also with respect to what they assume you believe
-- they've already assigned you to a camp and will never allow you to depart from it), but also the subjects themselves have grown
tiresome and tedious and are only anymore of interest to the very same propounders of revisionist idiocy who keep them alive with
their siege mentality.
What purpose can there be in publishing such articles other than to fuel the febrile files of this phantasist fringe? There
is nothing here in the interests of truth; this is demagoguery and obscurantism of the worst sort. Articles like this are the
intellectual equivalent of a plague bacillus, winding its way through human minds, putrefying and perverting all in its course.
Such foul air requires a constant nosegay of truth to ward it off, and these flowers are in very short supply around here.
I have no desire to defend the Jews, or Judaism, or Zionism, or the State of Israel, but the charges that they were involved
with the Kennedy assassinations are completely without merit and ought to be repugnant to decent people. The fact that
they were directly responsible for the attack on the USS Liberty is more than enough reason to despise the Israelis; they do not
need to be beaten with every club or charged with every crime. To do so is vindictive and paranoid and shameful, and I cannot
be sanguine about the motives of those who would whip themselves and others into such a frenzy.
Here's Mathilde Krim with a soirée of Fine Folks to include LBJ & Lady Bird. She certainly made the rounds. Definitely an Intelligence
Operative considering her prodigious network of contacts. A Cancer to Humanity. It reminds me of a scene from Rosemary's Baby.
Considering that you belong to the resident Hasbara brigade, your position fits well with the hypothesis of this piece – the
"limited hang-out" of the U.S. "deep state" to cover up the Israeli connection.
Dimona was clearly a major point of contention – and it is very unlikely that JFK would have aided and abetted the shenanigans
surrounding the war of 1967. Israel had plenty of reason to do away with him.
"the bullet tested in laboratory to be compared to the the one extracted from Robert's brain had not been shot by Sirhan's revolver,
but by another gun, with a different serial number; "
The author seems blankly ignorant of guns, apparently believing that a serial number can be determined from a bullet. He sounds
as though he has some vague recollection that marking left by lands and grooves on bullets are unique to the gun firing them,
and somehow confuses this with serial numbers. Amateurish research does not breed confidence in conclusions. Does he give a link
to which labortory and its report?
Well researched and written article! Additional and further research is needed in the following possibilities raised by the people
living outside of the US in 1960's:
1. JFK's opposition to the planning of Israelis initiating a war against the Arab states in 1967
2. Killing 2 birds with one shot by falsely accusing an Arab for killing RK before he reopens the assassination case of his brother
3. Destruction of the world media from the 1967 war to the assassination of RK
4. Involvement of LBJ in both assassinations since he is a Zionist from his mother side
Yes, the JFK assassination was a public execution, but why would that incriminate the deep state rather than Israel? I would
rather think the opposite. I think you also miss a point that you could perhaps get by reading James Douglass: JFK considered
it his most important task to abolish nuclear weapons. It was possible then. So it makes sense to believe that his determination
to stop Dimona was very, very strong.
No, I am not that ignorant. Either I expressed myself poorly (English being not my native language), or you misunderstood.
The serial number of the gun from which the test bullet was shot (as indicated on official report) is different from the serial
number of Sirhan's gun (as indicated on another official report.
Thank you Laurent Guyénot. This is a long(ish) article, and obviously complex.
So, in breaking down this theory, one must first admit, in light of what is known of the Kennedy assassinations, consideration
of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud international collective as a potential prime operative, is reasonable, based on the
prime-facia motives .
Specifically:
1. the intention of registering the American Zionist Council (AZC subsequently AIPAC ) as a "foreign agent" subject to
the obligations defined by the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938
2. the Kennedy's determination to stop Israel [secretly, like many things] developing its own nuclear bomb
3. Kennedy committed to support UN Resolution 194 for the right of return of Palestinian refugees
Anybody familiar with the trends of the last 200 years of the activities and well- [self]- published political motivations
of Torah-Pharisees-Talmud international collective , notably pro-zionists and their leading spokes people,
would be aware that each one of the listed intentions, if validated , would be considered ample justification
for another political assassination, from such an extremist ideological perspective.
The thornier, but potentially more revealing issue is capability .
But one must ask oneself, who in the world, could have the capability to kill a sitting U.S. president and a leading presidential
nominee?
In consideration of this question, one can greatly reduce the number of potential suspects, since the range is extremely
small, and I would suggest, probably included the collaboration of several of the very few limited candidates.
For example, does anyone think that the Soviet Union could possibly have managed this alone, or even more ridiculously, Fidel
Castro?!
I personally think it at least on the verge of absurd.
Capability continued
Frequently, I find myself drawn back to Gilad Atzmons excerpt from testimony, as expert witness on Jewish Identity politics,
at 'hate crime" trial of Arthur Topham 20151108-20151109
Sourced originally at: http://blog.balder.org/?p=1673
"When we criticise Jewish politics (Israel, Zionism, the Lobby etc') some Jews are "racially offended" in spite of the
fact that race, biology, blood or ethnicity was never mentioned. When we criticise Jewish racism some Jews hide behind the
argument that we are criticizing their religion. When we occasionally criticise the religion or some obscene Jewish religious
teaching we are quick to learn that Jews are hardly religious anymore (which is true by the way). The meaning of it is simple,
yet devastating. The Jewish triangle makes it very difficult, or even impossible to criticise Jewish politics, ideology and
racism because the Identity is set as a field with a tri-polar gravity centre. The identity morphs endlessly. The contemporary
3rd category (political) Jew is everywhere and nowhere simultaneously, this is the quantum mechanics that is set to suppress
any possible criticism."
But most particularly, " Jew is everywhere and nowhere simultaneously, this is the quantum mechanics that is set to suppress
. ""
I am also reminded of Noam Chompsky's model (explanation), as described in Manufacturing Consent for what he
describes as a passive media skewing mechanism (my words), along the lines of, systemically, many slight slanted/nudged
editorial decisions, which aggregated, may well completely distort an accurate picture of events.
By not being able to identify one clear, discrete actor/provocateur, the system, the way it operates, will be incapable
of actually making a determination and assignment of cause.
Now, if one followed a operational model of negative sum gain gaming of systems to always gain advantage, one
might have identified this weakness in the system, and employed a quantum-mechanics like distribution of a fifth column in the
system to effect the political change one desired.
That's a good point but it still doesn't explain how Sirhan Squared fired the fateful shot from behind Kennedy when he was
always in front of Kennedy.
Fyi, I have always felt horrible for Sirhan Squared. So much so, I named my dog after him and it's a female dog. You should
see the reaction when I take her to the vet and they ask her name and I say it's Sirhan Sirhan. The look is priceless. My next
dog's name will be Jesus. I'm sure it will go over equally as well with the hoi polloi.
Does anyone really believe that if a POTUS decided to eradicate Israel's nuclear weapons program and cut off all funding to
Israel that said POTUS wouldn't be assassinated before he/she could make it happen? Trump has been egregiously disrespectful to
the Intelligence Community and yet he's still alive, but what if Trump was egregiously disrespectful to Israel instead of kissing
Israel's ass as the first Jewish POTUS that he is? What if Trump ended all American aid to Israel and went to the United Nations
and put forth a resolution for Israel to eliminate its nukes because if Iran and North Korea and Ted Nugent can't have them, neither
can Israel. If Trump got elected on such a platform, which he never would have by the way, he would have been assassinated before
he or any POTUS could implement such a plan. Israel has made it clear many times over, it will do ANYTHING & EVERYTHING it has
to do to protect itself existentially and I'm sure that includes assassinating the POTUS if need be and all else fails.
Not Israel exactly but the banker clans that created Israel with US wealth and still own monopolies in banking, media, and drugs
legal and illegal. Kennedy was put in office because they thought he was just a skirt chasing son of a bootlegger that would not
interfere with the Globalist agenda. Kind of like Bill Clinton. Then he starts talking about "secret societies" and backing off
the constant war agenda. And he fostered a trusting relationship with Russia, trying to really be president. He is the last one
to try that.
"As to your Meyer Lansky point you do not indicate whether you have any serious claim to knowing anything useful about him
and/or his connection to Israel but surely it is rubbish to talk of his interest in Cuban casinos being relevant. Really!? In
1963? And anyway you would only be making sense if you were asserting – with reason – that RFK felt constrained to use to his
friend Schlesinger "Cubans or gangsters" as code for Israel.
Or, conceivably you think RFK didn't know what you know about the involvement of Israel but wanted a further inquiry which might
have produced an embarrassing truth about Israel. Really?"
I recently bought a book about Lansky's Havana operations from Cuba. Before the revolution by Castro Lansky run the crime empire
there. It is also written of his connections to Israel, which you can check even from Wikipedia. We all get our information from
books and documents. This book was rather OK concerning facts. Lansky lost a lot when Castro came to power. In 1963 Lansky had
a very good reason to want the USA to attack Cuba to gain his empire. Besides, he run the USA organized crime at that time and
had reasons not to like Kennedys actions against organized crime.
There is no reason for "Cubans and gangsters" to be a code word for Israel as Cubans and gangsters were almost certainly involved
in the JFK assassination.
I think Robert Kennedy did know of the Israel atom bomb project and he did not like it, same as JFK. Robert Kennedy probably
did not know if Israel was involved in the JFK assassination but was going to investigate who was. It might have lead to Israel.
There was this danger.
You lose all credibility for anything sensible you might say when you spout such tendentious rubbish as "he is[sic] a Zionist
from his mother [sic] side". You presumably are confusing the Orthodox criterion for someone to be a Jew with the choice a person
makes to be a Zionist (for which you don't even have to be a Jew come to think of it). It's even sillier than people saying Rupert
Murdoch is a Jew because a great or great great grandmother may have been Jewish.
Interesting and well-researched article, but ultimately, as commenter Wizard of Oz notes, it serves the author's "confirmation
bias."
Behind the JFK and RFK assassinations is the Allen Dulles gang: Richard Helms, David Atlee Phillips, and James Jesus Angleton.
It is true, as the author notes, that Angleton had deep ties with Mossad. It is also true that since the end of the second world
war, Israeli skullduggery in the US and Europe has been massive. But these two political murders were planned and executed by
the above Dulles cabal.
Oswald was a CIA asset since his time as Marine serving at the US Atsugi base in Japan. Researcher HP Albarelli connects Oswald
to right-wing Agency operative and pedophile David Ferrie as far back as the early 1950s. Oswald was also part of Angleton's false
defector program, which inserted him into the USSR in the late 1950s.
The grooming and handling of Sirhan Sirhan in California in the mid 1960s speaks of a well-entrenched domestic network of CIA
assets. He was picked for patsydom for a number reasons, and Angleton, again, a prince of an ally for Mossad, liked Sirhan's Palestinian
background, which amped up the Arab threat, in the eyes of the US audience, to his Israeli friends. The author is correct that
Thane Caesar was the real assassin of RFK. Previous to the RFK hit, Caesar work for the Hughes corporation in Burbank. The sprawling
Howard Hughes business empire had served as a CIA cover since the 1950s.
Why would the Dulles gang want to murder the Kennedy brothers? JFK: revenge for the Bay of Pigs betrayal and the subsequent
firing of Dulles. RFK: a man who worked closely with the Agency in the early 1960s on the Castro project. David Talbot's book
Brothers, referenced by the author, makes clear that RFK had an absolutely clear conception of who killed his brother. There was
no way he was going to reach the White House.
Both brothers also sought to wind down the profitable war in Vietnam. RFK was especially vocal about his goal of ending the
war on the'68 campaign trail. And then there's Richard Nixon: a national security state favorite since his time as congressman
during the so-called Red Scare of the early 1950s, Nixon was their favored candidate in the '68 election. RFK's death sealed the
deal for Nixon. Nixon would go on to incur the wrath of his former national security state allies with his secret negotiations
with China and the USSR while president. Because of his previous good works for them, a political death was arranged rather than
a violent physical one.
Yes, I believe that Oswald killed Kennedy. I have no reasonable doubt that Oswald alone fired the fatal shot.
I also believe that the question, while certainly not irrelevant, is little thought of by most people today and would not affect
their lives one way or the other. This is not to say that truth should not be investigated and justice done whenever possible.
Falsehoods of any sort should be brought to light and expunged from the historical record, for there is no telling what damage
an error may do even long after the fact. However, in the first place, I do not think that the historical record has enshrined
any major errors in the case of the Kennedys; and in the second place, the fervency with which the contrarians (and they alone)
continue to revive this long-buried topic does not savor of an honest pursuit of truth. I gather they would not be satisfied even
if all the world were converted to their opinion.
They have some sort of an agenda. What it is varies from case to case and is not something I'm willing to speculate upon. But
this sort of crusading over the meaning of an historical event is never anything but a quest for political power in the present
moment, and is usually driven not by any coherent ideology but by the sheer passion for revenge. The willingness of so many revisionists
to make saints out of the Kennedys -- which on any objective reading they clearly were not -- is by itself sufficient to discover
the all-too-human wellsprings of their motivation. You have a beef with Israel, with the CIA, with Lyndon Johnson, with the whole
American Deep State. I get that; I'm no fan of these people, either. But I'm not going to pervert my entire view of history so
as to cast them in the role of the eternal villain. Self-deception is not only bad for your psychological health, it's also very
politically inexpedient. You will never accomplish anything by this method. Just imagine the dismay that will come upon you if,
peradventure, you happen to have a real shot at gaining some actual power and then you realize that your only friends and compatriots
are the unreliable fruit loops who've been yup-yupping your articles these past years. A lot of help they're going to be.
The assertion that Israel had anything to do with assassinating either Kennedy brother is just not true. It is falsehood and
lies and intellectual pollution. The reverence for such a belief belongs as a sub-genre of postmodern urban mysticism and religious
occultism, along with the belief that the CIA planted explosives in the World Trade Center.
PTI, but just wanted to make a quick observation. Is it just me or have others noticed that there have been quite a number
of Presidents upon whom this honorary title has been bestowed, including:
LBJ
Ronald Reagan
Barack Obama
Donald Trump
(Bill Clinton and George W Bush should receive honorary mention).
I should have mentioned that Jeff Gates goes into the LBJ/Krim relationship, NUMEC, McCain father and son, the USS Liberty,
with a measure of Jeff Flake in his book. It bears rereading, now if only I can find it.
Well you have just proved what a hopeless amateur you are as conspiracy theorist and as analyst.
What you have now shown is all you dredged up about Meyer Lansky is a million miles from proving that he had sufficient reason
to murder Kennedy. To make any sense of your bizarre notion of cause and effect and of motive you would have to suppose that a
US President could be expected to look after the Cuban interests of a known criminal even going to the extent of using US armed
forces to do it. Specifically your barmy idea entails that Lansky had a communications conduit to LBJ and thought he had obtained
assurance from Johnson that the US would go to war to overthrow Castro and restore an American criminal's casino. Pathetic.
There is indeed no need for "Cubans or gangsters" to be code for "Israel" but again you have shot yourself in the foot by your
missing the point completely. My obvious point, which you managed to get confused about, was that Bobby Kennedy had no reason
not to mention Israel to his confidant Schlesinger so his use of the words "Cubans" and "gangsters" meant that he didn't have
Israel in mind
The most likely scenario is of course that the assassinations met the needs of not only Israel/Mossad, but of the U.S. oligarchs/Wall
Street, European oligarchs, and the U.S. deep state forces of the CIA/Pentagon. It isn't an "either/or" with the Mossad vs the
CIA as to who is the culprit, but rather that everyone benefited by these assassinations. From the U.S. Joint Chiefs who wanted
to end JFK's efforts to stop the Cold War, to Mossad who wanted carte blanche Israeli power in the Middle East AND the bomb, to
the CIA which most definitely did not want to be "splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds" – you have a set
of powerful interests that converge and all benefit by these deaths.
The whole debate of whether Israel is the tail wagging the dog misses the point that the very creation of Israel was all about
helping the Western colonial powers maintain neo-colonial power in the Middle East as their former colonies were being liberated
post-WWII.
The oligarchic power blocs in Europe, the U.S., the U.K. and Israel have all benefited from the assassinations of the
Kennedy brothers and the policy shifts that were then possible by their permanent removal from political office. Chasing the –
"was it the Mossad, or was it the CIA"- train, leaves us grasping at phantoms like "the girl in the polka dot dress," or "the
second Oswald," and simply distract from the obvious reality that all these parties not only benefited, but also knew each other's
secrets and operated in coordination to make these events happen, and to sew intrigue and endless questions in their wake.
I did not mean to exonerate the CIA. I tried to be as brief as I could, so I didn't get into the detail of CIA involvement.
CIA had to be involved to some extent in order to be blackmailed into powerlessness. My point is that CIA was not the mastermind
and I wanted to point out that the mainstream media were pointing to the CIA, which is in itself very significant: it is like
when the mainstream media say "the CIA controls the media". I am actually inclined to agree with Gary Wean's thesis (as Piper
seemed to do) that the CIA had planned a faked failed assassination coup to force JFK into acting against Castro, but was double-crossed.
This fits the scenario which I also believe for 9/11.
http://rockthetruth.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-911-triple-cross.html
And I liked Janney's book.
I agree about the plane crash inserted into the article. It was a combination of an unusually thick fog and an inexperienced
pilot. There was a thread recently in which John Jrs plane crash was discussed. A couple of pilots who flew the same Plane write that
in that kind of fog with a pilot unskilled in flying by instruments it was not shot down but just happened.
Another poster write that he was in the area that night and it was one of the worst fogs he'd ever seen.
Of course he does. He is part of that dwindling demographic which believes whatever they are told by the kosher mainstream
media, i.e., CBS, Time Magazine, CNN, MSNBC, Newsweek, Fox, the History Channel, NBC, ABC, etc. There may be variations, but the
narrative remains within the acceptable kosher parameters.
An individual who believes in the official version of 9/11 will have no trouble at all believing in the "lone nut" theory of
Oswald or Sirhan. For want of a better term, I would call it "Mainstream Delusionism." It affects all of those who choose to accept
the bogus liberal/conservative bifurcation of mainstream politics here in the US.
"What you have now shown is all you dredged up about Meyer Lansky is a million miles from proving that he had sufficient reason
to murder Kennedy. To make any sense of your bizarre notion of cause and effect and of motive you would have to suppose that a
US President could be expected to look after the Cuban interests of a known criminal even going to the extent of using US armed
forces to do it. Specifically your barmy idea entails that Lansky had a communications conduit to LBJ and thought he had obtained
assurance from Johnson that the US would go to war to overthrow Castro and restore an American criminal's casino. Pathetic."
1) The assassination of JFK was a conspiracy because there were more than one shooter. This is shown by analyzing the Audiograph
and the Dictabelt, and the Zapruder film shows that one shot came from the front. You have two pdf files by me in this link
2) Next we have to look what changed in the US policy after the successful assassination, since it had to have some goal. The
USA did not attack Cuba, so that was not the goal. The USA forgot Israel's nuclear bomb project, so that was the goal. (Go through
the other alternatives and discard.)
3) Finally make a scenario who could have done the assassination. As the Audiograph was manipulated in 1970ies, there was someone
with access, like CIA (or FBI? etc). There was Ruby, so there was a link to Jewish gangsters leading to Lansky, who was the high
boss of organized crime. Much points to LBJ. So, I got this scenario:
Totally agree about the Jewish role in JFKs assassination. As for Oswald, he was an avowed communist and the American communist
party and all the far left groups were very, very, Jewish at the time. It was impossible to be a goyishe leftist and not meet
a lot of lefty Jews at the time.
Oswald always told people he became interested in communism when he was living in NYC age 11 & 12. It was the time of the Rosenberg
atomic spy trials.
"Old Jewish ladies" in his Bronx neighborhood were always handing out pamphlets defending the Rosenbergs.
Perhaps I missed it in the article but the "manufacturer" of the single bullet theory was Jewish Senator Arlen Specter of the
Warren Commission. Another point about the Kennedy's hatred of Israel .it was much greater than anyone thought especially from
the old man Joe. It evidently may have had something do with business dealings both legitimate and illegitimate.
Lyndon Johnson's great-grandparents, on the maternal side, were Jewish and Johnson helped smuggle Jews legally and illegally
into Texas ( http://www.5tjt.com/our-first-jewish-president-lyndon-johnson-an-update/
). It always sounds antisemitic but rule one that is accurate about 97% of the time is that most of the political, economic or
social upheaval in the world always has something to do with Jews.
The Kennedy worship on display by Mr. Guyenot, like that of Oliver Stone, is remarkable. I'm not singling him out – a lot of people
share in it. But the notion that the Kennedys were some kind of unique family of righteous, justice-seeking heroes is ludicrous.
They were a clan of reckless, smarmy, cynical politicians. John was probably the best of them, and he seemed to have had a few
good instincts, but he was massively compromised by his libido, which opened him up to blackmail.
And the notion that John-John was killed by some kind of conspiracy is ridiculous. He was a light-weight and a dilletante.
I don't imagine anyone feared his political or literary ambitions. His was another case of DWK – driving while Kennedy. Nobody
in that family could be trusted behind the controls of any kind of vehicle. I wouldn't knowingly step in front of stroked-out
old Joe in his wheelchair.
Clearly LBJ did not run for a second term and keep control of the investigative agencies because he could be implicated in the
assassination of the Kennedy brothers. Or maybe people who think that way are spending too much time smoking hash in their mommy's
basement.
I've read the book Nemesis that claims Onassis paid for the murder of Robert Kennedy. It also claims Onassis and Jacqueline
agreed to marry on a cruise she took on Onassis' yacht a few months before JFK was killed.
The plan was when he either lost the 64 election or was re elected and his Presidency ended in January 69, she would divorce
JFK for his numerous adulteries and marry Onassis. Who knows? It's all enjoyable reading anyway.
My favorite genres are political, spy, detective, financial corruption and historical thrillers. So I enjoy all the Kennedy conspiracy books.
Every Marine is considered a "rifleman," even those who fail to qualify with the rifle. At the end of his tour Oswald tested
on the low end of 'marksman,' which is the lowest of three qualifying categories. Which means he wasn't a particularly good shot.
Thanks for this intelligent, insightful and courageous article.
It is exceptionally interesting and well-researched, and simply outstanding, considering the intellectual decadence and cowardice
of thoughts we have been dragged into. Thanks also for the sensitivity of your conclusion: John and Robert Kennedy's memory is cherished throughout the world. They
died because they wanted to make the world a better place for humankind. They will never be forgotten.
Because local Jews & pro-Israel bunch are not equivalent to "deep state". It is true that Zionist Jews are now more influential
than ever, but they do not "own" US nor direct most currents of US policy. Being 2% of US population, Jews are perhaps 20-25%
among American elites (which, evidently, is not the majority), and most of them are liberals who are not involved in shaping of
American middle east politics. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld . were/are American imperialists, and not some Jewish puppets.
As regards Kennedy, it is true that he had strong positions re nuclear weapons, but, having in mind huge arsenals of US & Soviet
Union, and smaller ones of Britain, China..- Israel's nuclear program was not considered to be something spectacularly important,
especially at that stage. It is bizarre to consider that Israelis would even think of, let alone try to execute US president,
just because he gave them slap on the wrist at some point.
And, in 1963, Zionist Jews (and all US Jews) were much less influential then today, after 5 decades that have, beginning with
counter-cultural 60s, multiculturalism & Vietnam war, transformed US beyond recognition. Back in 50s/early 60s they had just wanted
to assimilate into society as quickly as possible & minimize traces of their ethnic identity, while Israel was a schnorrer, beggar
economy trying to survive & keep a low profile.
The assertion that Israel had anything to do with assassinating either Kennedy brother is just not true. It is falsehood
and lies and intellectual pollution
No one but a Jew and/or Israel supporter would make that statement.
Only Israel had anything to gain from Kennedy's murder and they used some Jewish organized crime members to set it up. Only our
Israeli occupied congress, not the CIA, could have "controlled' the investigation to ensure it produced the conclusion it fed
to the public.
In his book, The Passionate Attachment, former Undersecretary of State George Ball summarized the results of Johnson's Middle
East policies:
First, the Johnson administration put America in the position of being Israel's principal arms supplier and sole unqualified
backer.
"Second, by assuring the Israelis that the United States would always provide them with a military edge over the Arabs, Johnson
guaranteed the 'escalation of an arms race
Third, by refusing to follow the advice of his aides that America make its delivery of nuclear-capable F-4 Phantoms conditional
on Israel's signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Johnson gave the Israelis the impression that America had no fundamental
objection to Israel's nuclear program.
"Fourth, by permitting a cover-up of Israel's attack on the Liberty, President Johnson told the Israelis in effect that nothing
they did would induce American politicians to refuse their bidding.
From that time forth, the Israelis began to act as if they had an inalienable right to American aid and backing."
As Stephen Green concluded in his discussion of the incredible changes in U.S. policy toward Israel that took place during the
Johnson era in 'Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations With A Militant Israel':
"By June of 1967, for a variety of reasons that prominently included 'domestic political considerations,' Lyndon Johnson and his
team of foreign-policy advisors had completely revised U.S.-Israeli relations. To all intents and purposes, Israel had become
the 51st state."
This was the exact opposite of what Kennedy's attitude toward Israel was and had he lived we would probably have a different relationship
with Israel today.'
Former high-ranking U.S. diplomat Richard H. Curtiss, writing in 'A Changing Image: American Perceptions of the Arab-Israeli
Dispute', elaborated on Kennedy's attitude toward the Middle East controversy. In a chapter appropriately titled: "President Kennedy
and Good Intentions Deferred Too Long," Curtiss comments:
"It is surprising to realize, with the benefit of hindsight, that from the time Kennedy entered office as the narrowly-elected
candidate of a party heavily dependent upon Jewish support, he was planning to take a whole new look at U.S. Mideast policy.
"He obviously could not turn the clock back and undo the work of President Truman, his Democratic predecessor, in making the establishment
of Israel possible. Nor, perhaps, would he have wanted to.
"Kennedy was determined, however, to develop good new personal relationships with individual Arab leaders, including those with
whom the previous administration's relations had deteriorated.
Soon after Kennedy assumed office, Israel and its American lobby began to understand the import of Kennedy's positioning in regard
to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Israel was not happy – to say the very least – and began putting heat on the White House through
its supporters in Congress, many of whom relied upon support from the Israeli lobby for campaign contributions and political leverage.
By mid-1963 Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion hated Kennedy with a passion. In fact, he considered JFK a threat to the
very survival of the Jewish State .
Kennedy according to Curtiss cited four areas causing a strain in U.S.-Israel relations: 1) Israel's diversion-from the Arab
States-of the Jordan River waters; 2) Israel's retaliatory raids against Arab forces in border areas; 3) Israel's pivotal role
in the Palestinian refugee problem; and 4) Israel's insistence that the United States sell advanced Hawk missiles to Israel.
"The President outlined to Mrs. Meir what has come to be called the Kennedy Doctrine. Kennedy told Meir that U.S. interests
and Israel's interests were not always the same.
The Talbot memorandum described Kennedy's forthright stance:
"We know, "that Israel faces enormous security problems, but we do too. We came almost to a direct confrontation with the Soviet
Union last spring and again recently in Cuba. Because we have taken on wide security responsibilities we always have the potential
of becoming involved in a major crisis not of our own making.
"Our security problems are, therefore, just as great as Israel's. We have to concern ourself with the whole Middle East. We would
like Israeli recognition that this partnership which we have with it produces strains for the United States in the Middle East
when Israel takes such action as it did last spring when Israel launched a raid into Syria, resulting in a condemnation by the
UN Security Council. Whether right or wrong, those actions involve not just Israel but also the United States."
According to Seymour Hersh: "Israel's bomb, and what to do about it, became a White House fixation – part of the secret presidential
agenda that would remain hidden for the next thirty years."
In March, 1963, Sherman Kent, the Chairman of the Board of National Estimates at the CIA, wrote an extended memorandum to the
CIA's Director on the highly controversial subject entitled "Consequences of Israeli Acquisition of Nuclear Capability."
According to Stephen Green, for the purposes of this internal memorandum, Kent defined "acquisition" by Israel as either (a) a
detonation of a nuclear device with or without the possession of actual nuclear weapons, or (b) an announcement by Israel that
it possessed nuclear weapons, even without testing. Kent's primary conclusion was that an Israeli bomb would cause 'substantial
damage to the U.S. and Western position in the Arab world.
According to Green, "The memorandum was very strong and decidedly negative in its conclusions" which were as follows:
"Even though Israel already enjoys a clear military superiority over its Arab adversaries, singly or combined, acquisition of
a nuclear capability would greatly enhance Israel's sense of security. In this circumstance, some Israelis might be inclined to
adopt a moderate and conciliatory posture
"We believe it much more likely, however, that Israel's policy toward its neighbors would become more rather than less tough.
Israel would seek to exploit the psychological advantages of its nuclear capability to intimidate the Arabs and to prevent them
from making trouble on the frontiers."
In dealing with the United States, the CIA analyst estimated, a nuclear Israel would "make the most of the almost inevitable Arab
tendency to look to the Soviet Bloc for assistance against the added Israel threat, arguing that in terms of both strength and
reliability Israel was clearly the only worthwhile friend of the U.S. in the area.
"Israel," in Kent's analysis, "would use all the means at its command to persuade the U.S. to acquiesce in, and even to support,
its possession of nuclear capability."
In short, Israel would use its immense political power – especially through its lobby in Washington – to force the United States
to accede to Israel's nuclear intentions.
Stephen Green believes that Kennedy's position vis-a-vis Israel was an important stand: "It was a remarkable exchange, and
the last time in many, many years in which an American president precisely distinguished for the government of Israel the differences
between U.S. and Israeli national security interests."
Thus it was that John F. Kennedy informed Israel, in no uncertain terms, that he intended – first and foremost – to place America's
interests – not Israel's interests – at the center of U.S. Middle East policy.
Kennedy's friendly overtures to the Arab states were only a public aspect of what ultimately developed into an all-out 'secret
war' between Kennedy and Israel.
Another part of the all secret war between Kennedy and Israel according to Hersh was Ben-Gurion's hated Kennedy because he consider
his father an anti semite and Hitler supporter. Hersh wrote, "The Israeli prime minister, in subsequent private communications
to the White House, began to refer to the President as 'young man.' Kennedy made clear to associates that he found the letters
to be offensive."
Kennedy himself told his close friend, Charles Bartlett, that he was getting fed up with the fact that the Israeli "sons of bitches
lie to me constantly about their nuclear capability."
Obviously, to say the very least, there was no love lost between the two leaders. The U.S.-Israeli relationship was at an ever-growing
and disastrous impasse, although virtually nothing was known about this to the American public at the time." .Green
There seem to be a lot of small plane crashes which involve controversial politicians
such as, JFK ,Jr, Ron Brown, Wellstone, John Towers, Michael Connell, (Bush campaign it expert) to name but a few.
There use to be detailed analysis of the Martha's Vineyard crash on the web, but these seem
To have been scrubbed lately and only official MSM versions are easily available.
An exception to that rule is the book, Ron Brown's body: how one man's death saved
The Clinton Presidency.
Am very gratified when busy U.R. authors engage comments corresponding to their articles. Thank you!
Comment # 80, you wrote: "I did not mean to exonerate the CIA."
Above, I knew such was impossible since your mentioning having read James Douglass's classic, "JFK and the Unspeakable."
Also you wrote:. My point is that CIA was not the mastermind "
Above, so it appears you believe that CIA depended upon the Israeli intelligence Lowerarchy as the JFK assassination planning
/ operational "mastermind?"
Had he come squeaky clean, I intuit CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Jesus Angleton might support such a view as yours.
Such smacks of how the ZUS military (Gitmo-based) tribunal deceptively presented Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) as the 9/11 terror
attack "mastermind."
To conclude, am very pleased to have read this sentence: "And I liked Janney's book."
F.y.i., just last month while attending a Delaware Valley High School varsity baseball game, while in the stands, I spoke with
three (3) mother's who lived in nearby, Milford, Pa. One lady taught public school.
Regrettably, no one had any knowledge about Mary Pinchot Meyer's JFK affair, brutal murder on the Georgetown canal-trail, and
her Milford, Pa burial @ the Gifford Pinchot estate.
Thanks very much, Laurent Guyenot!
Continue to be honestly unflappable.
There is nothing cynical about such ultimate patriotic sacrifice; the pompous Zionist posting on this thread could not even
start to comprehend the adjective "patriotic".
He was a Texan (like Audie Murphy) and familiar with rifles from an early age. He was a trained rifleman who though not an
expert shot scored 49 hits and one miss at a target 200 yards away. LHO was seen practicing at a rifle range before Dallas, and
at a range of under 100 yards his performance in getting one fatal shot on Kennedy was good, not exceptional, even for a rusty
and mediocre shot (which he was not).
Charles Wittman was a Texan too, as was Chris Kyle.
I just have to say this about the Jew hasbara who insist people believe that the CIA is the 'deep state' when in fact the CIA
and the FBI are the ONLY gov arms that aggressively go after Israel and the Jew fifth column in the US ..and it is ONLY Congress
and/or the WH that has stopped them and interfered in their investigation time after time. As for the other retards who promote
this -- -you're are dangerously stupid .so stupid you dont even know who the real deep state is.
On December 13, 1999, Ciralsky was terminated from his job as a lawyer for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). On July 19,
2000, Ciralsky filed suit against the CIA, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and nine of their employees and agents, alleging
that he had been "interrogated, harassed, surveilled and terminated from his employment with the CIA solely because he is a Jew
and practices the Jewish religion."
689 F. Supp. 2d 141 (2010)
Adam CIRALSKY, Plaintiff,
v.
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, et al., Defendants.
Civil Action No. 00-1709-JDS.
United States District Court, District of Columbia.
February 26, 2010
Shortly after he began working at the CIA, the Agency initiated a reinvestigation of Plaintiff's security clearance, administering
a series of polygraph examinations and interviews to evaluate his fitness. On August 19, 1997, Plaintiff failed a polygraph examination.
In the month following this polygraph session, various CIA employees interviewed Plaintiff on four separate occasions. At one
of these interviews on September 11, 1997, Plaintiff was given a laptop computer and told to use it to document and explain issues
arising out of the failed polygraph session of August 19, 1997. Plaintiff returned this laptop to the CIA on September 29, 1997.
The veracity of Plaintiff's declarations in these interviews was tested through another polygraph examination on October 3, 1997.
Following the reinvestigation, the CIA advanced the process of revoking Plaintiff's security clearance. On October 20, 1997,
the CIA placed Plaintiff on administrative leave and informed him that an employee review panel ("ERP") would reconsider his access
to classified information. After Plaintiff submitted a memorandum defending himself, the ERP met on or about November 21, 1997,
and recommended that the CIA revoke Plaintiff's security clearance and terminate his employment. After reviewing two additional
memoranda submitted by Plaintiff in response to certain damaging information, the ERP maintained its initial recommendation when
it reconsidered the matter on March 6, 1998. Records of both ERP meetings describe the panel's concern to be Plaintiff's failure
to disclose information about and lack of candor regarding several contacts that were or may have been involved in the Israeli
security establishment. See Pl.'s Mot. for Disc. Attach. 1 and 2 (official summaries of ERP meetings).
"The UK also developed nuclear weapons, as did France. The incredibility of America blowing its own brains out by getting into
a nuclear exchange to defend Britain, France or Israel meant that those countries having their own nuclear deterrent suited America."
As the article we are commenting mentions, JFK wanted inspections on Israel nuclear weapon program, which unlike those of UK
and France, was secret and denied. Israel was not yet the best friend of the USA. JFK had to ponder what should be the US-Arab
relations. Trump is now against North Korean and Iranian nuclear weapons, yet he is not opposing British and French nuclear weapons.
So, we know JFK was trying to stop the Israel nuclear weapon program and probably would have offered US protection instead.
JFK was killed by somebody. This somebody had power to modify Audiograph data in 1970ies. This data was available to CIA, FBI
and the Warren Commission members, maybe also to others. CIA had dealings with mafia concerning assassination of Castro. The mafia
that had been in Havana was Lansky's mafia. Thus, CIA had dealings with Lansky's gangsters. Dulles, LBJ and Angleton did not like
JFK's policies, especially towards Israel. Israel was weak at that time, but had friends in the US, like Lansky, Angleton, LBJ,
Dulles. Together these might have pulled the assassination, but even together they could not make the coverup by media. There
had to be media and the US media has a tendency to silence one topic only. No President can control the media, the CIA can influence,
but not control, mafia cannot control media. Only one power can do it and does it.
We do not need to know if the reason for the assassination was the Israel atomic bomb program (though it is likely and a sufficient
reason). We only need to know who could coverup the issue and especially cover it up in media.
I looked at this JFK stuff after accidentally watching a video by Donald B. Thomas, where he explained his echo analysis of
the Dictabelt. His paper was refuted by former members of the Warren Commission. I checked, did not fully agree with Thomas but
got more or less similar conclusions, I think I did it more correctly being much closer to the field than Thomas. The response
by these Warren Commission members was false, in my opinion intentionally, so I checked what might be their backgrounds. This
showed that echo analysis must always be done.
I doubt Oswald was a genuine Communist, he knew David Ferrie (who was hated Communism) in the 1950s, it may have been Ferrie
who got him involved in the CIA, and I suspect it was the CIA that sent Oswald to the USSR
Once he returned from the USSR and got involved with pro Castro groups in the US he was the perfect fall goy in the plot to
murder Kennedy
An interesting fact, when his car made the turn past the book depository LBJ ducked down to tie his shoe laces just as the
shooting started, strangely he also wanted Connolly to travel in his car not with JFK
There was at least one other plot to assassinate Kennedy, in the Chicago plot the patsy was to be another former Marine called
Thomas Vallee
Sorry, they were not Warren Commission members, they were members of a scientific panel, which refuted the House Select Committee
of Assassinations findings. Anyway, I checked their backgrounds as their paper was strangely wrong when there were Nobelists in
the group.()
The author made the point to me that English is not his first language, though he certainly writes it well, and that his mention
of serial numbers may have been misleading. It was, at least for me. In any event I retract my criticism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vehk03v23y4 This
documentary goes into great detail about the many strange things going on the day of the JFK Jr's crash.
The missing seat, flying instructor's seat – taken out of the plane ? How long it took to find the plane? JFK jr was another Kennedy
assassination.
I totally agree with you. That's my take. Oswald the pro Castro life long communist worked right on the Kennedy parade route.
Sirhan's bother was killed by an Israeli bombing of a crowded intersection. His father was fired from a 25 year job with the
City of Jerusalem with no pension. Family rental property was confiscated with no compensation
When Sirhan was 4 armed Israeli soldiers invaded the family home and gave the family 1 hour to leave. No compensation of course.
Family moved from a nice 10 room house to a pilgrims hostel run by the Greek Orthodox Church to which they belonged.
Family ended up in Pasadena Ca. Summer of 1967 the papers were full of RFK's promises to Israel. Sirhan believed those articles.
So he shot that supreme scum bag RFK.
RFK was absolutely into the Democrat party War on Whites. He was marching with Cesear Chavez and worshipped MLK. He persecuted,
not prosecuted the White male Teamsters Union. Had he been elected he would have enforced affirmative action and pro Hispanic
& pro black activism as eagerly as 2 other anti White Presidents, Johnson and Nixon did. RFK was pro black from the day his brother
became president
Personally, I don't give a rats ass about who killed the pro Hispanic pro black enemy of Whites, RFK.
Just a side note: there is a surviving witness of the Robert Kennedy assassination , Paul Schrade.
He attended Sirhan's parole bid in 2016, and told the panel that he believed Sirhan shot him at the hotel, but that an unidentified
second shooter killed Mr Kennedy.
Interestingly, even hard core MSM report the inconsistencies within the official inquiry:
" But the autopsy showed the candidate was shot from behind, with evidence that indicated he was hit at close range . "
Murdoch's maternal grandfather was a Rabbi. That makes him and his mother Jewish. And I doubt a rabbi's daughter would raise
her children completely no Jewish whether religuous or tribal ethnic Jewish.
Red Scare?? If you can't read any of the numerous books written about the Verona Papers and Soviet KGB archives opened after
1990, at least ask Mr. Google about them.
Both archives reveal that the HUAC and McCarthy & FBI investigations show that there were many, many more Soviet spies entrenched
in the federal government during and after the FDR administration that the HUAC & McCarthy investigations ever revealed.
Does your post have anything to do with your disbelief in Darwin and evolution and the Bible history that goes back to God's
creation of the world 6,000 years ago?
[It's not good commenting policy to produce a continuing series of lengthy totally unsourced excerpts, spread over series
of different comments, which makes it difficult for others to avoid them. They have now been consolidated, but you should stop
this sort of bad behavior.]
You're right. But there's also a lot of small plane ceashes that involve entertainment people especially musicians on tour.
Could it be that politicians musicians some businessmen and wealthier than average people use small planes more than the rest
of us who just drive and use airlines when traveling?
I don't watch YouTubes. If someone can't get it together enough to write a coherent account of their theories it's worthless.
There's a dozen YouTubes and internet articles about Kennedy's lack of instrument certification and the unusual fog of the
century that night.
If anyone killed him it would be Hildabeast. You Kennedy worshipers do realize that Joe Kennedy created a massive Kennedy worshipful
PR machines back in the 1920s and it's more powerful now than ever or do you?
joe Kennedy 3 is running for President. He is the one who nearly died of a heroin overdose on a plane trip. He is raising questions
about his father s death as a means of getting publicity and sympathy for his campaign from all the old baby boomers who remember
the Kennedy deaths
Both archives reveal that the HUAC and McCarthy & FBI investigations show that there were many, many more Soviet spies entrenched
in the federal government during and after the FDR administration that the HUAC & McCarthy investigations ever revealed.
Yes, but McCarthy played it badly by going after too many people with tenuous connections with communists and radicals. Just
because your side is right doesn't mean your side should give into hysteria.
Also, by McCarthy came on the scene, most of the spies had been captured and Soviet intelligence had effectively been ended
in the US. So, McCarthy just kept looking for more and more suspects, and it got a bit ridiculous.
We saw the same problem after 9/11. Yes, the government had been lax in security and there needed to be more vigilance. But
Bush II and Co. over-played their hand and even used 9/11 as hysteria for war with Iraq.
Funny how RFK's kid comes out and acknowledges the obvious, that CIA whacked his family, and all of a sudden this frog Guyenot
shows up in multiple alt media with his Orientalism shtik saying, oh wait, it was the Zionazis.
You see, CIA was just kidding about murdering Kennedy but those crafty Jews got away from them and really did it, Oops! Just
like all those incompetent pilots got away from CIA on 9/11 and really did what CIA only pretended they could do so we could catch
them red-handed. Oops!
Cracks me up, CIA's still trying to shit you even though they're so utterly, hopelessly busted that they have to blame it on
the Jewish State, the most despised shithole on earth. CIA's running out of people who are more despicable and full of crap than
them.
Interesting. When Oswald was in boot camp he scored as sharp-shooter between 210 and 219 points out of 250. HE would fire 10
rounds slow fire from the off-hand (standing) position from 200 yards. Then later he would fire 10 rounds rapid fire in 60 seconds
from the standing to sitting position. So this hitting 49 of 50 rounds from 200 yards is a cock and bull story.
What is not a cock and bull story is a beer drinking session in spring 1959 with Sergeants Dean Nelson from Arkansas, Leroy Alsbury
and another Sergeant Dorsey from Illinois at enlisted club MCAS El Toro, California. Topic turned to a Marine who was at a near
by station called LTA. They knew him from Japan and said he was frequently in trouble and he was convinced that the US was corrupt
for among other things "using germ warfare in Korea". They said he was called Ossie Rabbit.
I doubt Oswald was a genuine Communist, he knew David Ferrie (who was hated Communism) in the 1950s, it may have been Ferrie
who got him involved in the CIA, and I suspect it was the CIA that sent Oswald to the USSR. Once he returned from the USSR and
got involved with pro Castro groups in the US he was the perfect fall goy in the plot to murder Kennedy.
Oswald needed some kind of Ism to give meaning to his marginal life. Playing Marxist radical gave his life meaning. It was
more about personality than ideology.
He hung around anti-communist types because he saw himself as a brilliant agent-provocateur who would play all sides in a 5D
chess. He was seriously deluded as a mover and shaker of history when he was a total non-entity. The fact is no one gave a damn
about him. Even Russians found him useless and didn't want him. When he defected to Russia, he thought he would be accepted as
a great hero. Russians just sent him to a factory to work. Back in the US, he wanted attention, but no one gave it to him. Radical
and Marxist groups had no use for him. He was too low, too un-intellectual.
So, he created his own Narrative as a man who would rub shoulders with all sides to make something happen. So, it was disingenuous
for him to bitch that he was just a 'patsy'. He put himself in places to play the role of 'patsy' to all sides. It's what he relished
as he wanted to be where the action is. But he was useless as a patsy.
So, he finally decided to do something big and kill JFK. But he didn't even have the guts to say he did it. He ran like a chicken
and killed a cop.
I suspect Ruby was sent by the Mafia to kill Oswald. Why? Even though mafia didn't order the hit, it feared that Oswald would
blab about the mafia because the idiot met some mafia types when he was dillydallying with anti-Castro factions.
renfro insightfully wrote:
"By mid-1963 Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion hated Kennedy with a passion. In fact, he considered JFK a threat to the
very survival of the Jewish State."
Hi renfro,
In contrast, & as you may might know, Ben-Gurion loved GOP, Richard M. Nixon, who became the 1st sitting-USrael president to
visit Israel!
F.y.i., On comeback trail, RMN wrote an interesting book titled "Leaders" in which David Ben-Gurion is deified.
Thanks for such thoughtful posts, renfro.
P.S.:
Below is a work of political-satire which was also posted by "The Smirking Chimp" web site, & afterward, the concerned editor
badgered me for anti-semitism, & subsequently, I became the Smirking Chimp's U-peel Shrimp!
Yes but I read a mobster's autobiography, Chauncey Holt, and he said tinkering with a guy's plane was a great way to off someone.
As you note plane crashes happen.
Despite my reservations about the statement, "Only Israel had anything to gain from Kennedy's murder." , I find this
comment be very well organized and persuasive.
While I don't think intent to somehow disrupt the zionist occupier of Palestine lands acquiring nuclear weapons
capability and actual armaments as the only potential disposition of JFK, which would have made him a target of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud
global collective , I agree that even by itself, it would have.
Well, I agree with Wiz and Anon, that your post is sane . What is obvious, however, is that you either haven't done
your homework or are a sophisticated troll. James Douglas' JFK and the Unspeakable , which sums up decades of research
is a good place to start. Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics and the Death of JFK is also essential to get a sense of some
of the moving parts and the need for humility, in approaching the matter.
I agree. And have come to the conclusion that, once one gets very jewized up and comprehends just how involved international
jewry and its current political offspring of Zionists are, in so many events. That they really do represent also a true misfortune
for the entire world of non jewish goyim.
And furthermore, I have concluded that due to so many bad, wrong, evil ongoing events that are headed by or consist of an huge
number of jews involved within them. That at this late date point in time, it would almost be better when discussing various past
and current and even likely future events, as far as jewish involvments, to instead ask the question of
What Is there that history has proven as evil or wrong within such events, that jews have Not been involved in or with eh?
Because the deeper you go into such events and infos, and ergo the longer back in past times one delves into such issues The
more one learns of a constant jewish involvement throughout history going back at least 3,500 yrs ago! ..35-Centuries so far,
with most times each century getting worse and more evil due to their insidious craving of remaining stiff necked and stubborn,
and always unwilling to repent or change period.
And yes yes I know there are a few so called good jews But imho those good types number very very few when compared to jewry
as a whole. For I consider their huge silent bunch of tribe members as willing accomplices, and based upon the ever ongoing group
silence we see no matter which jews do wrongs and no matter how bad those wrongs are. No other logic nor sane conclusion can be
had.
And for immediate proof examples of how their majority tribe members always cover for, deny wrongs, toss out straw men, or
simply revert to the time tested method of Fully ignore all presented facts, and begin to use vile slanderous name calls of "Nazis"
and "Antisemite" etc. One only need read any of the many articles here on This forum, as well as all other website forums that
have become infested with Zionist jews and hasbara agents.
And for these reasons one must also conclude is the main reason that every time jews get booted from another host nation, the
entire bunch bar none get booted out. Yes that means those few good jews also get booted out, which some can argue is unfair But
after 109 host nations and around a total of 300+ boot outs since about 1800 yrs ago Well one can also understand why a host nation,
having no good method to determine accurately which are the few good ones, always ends up giving the big boot out to them all
eh.
And also one can conclude that most everything jews have complained about for that entire 3,500 years and still do today, has
been caused by jews themselves by their own disgusting ways and traits and evil criminalities etc ..There simply would be zero
so called antisemitism if there were zero jews within a nation period. But good luck in attempting to convince any jews of such
truths.
One of the very best and most accurate descriptions yet I have read or heard of regarding jewry and why they have been so despised
by so many distinctly different groups of gentiles, and in so many different locations and in so many eras of time has to be what
the new testament verses about them states (Paraphraseing here) "For they are the adversaries of God and of All of Mankind"!
That single short verse speaks volumes of past and present truths.
He has been consistently debunking political manipulation over the last 10 years. He does so with objectivity and measure,
and thanks to his hard work and erudition. He tries to avoid baiting into easy and stupid conspiracy theories, such as the ones
promoted by Michael Moore and Alex Jones.
Mr Guyenot has loyal and long-standing readers within the French-speaking world, where he is highly respected (and ignored
by MSM, which is a badge of honour).
He mostly publishes on a right-wing, populist website that attracts readers from all political shades, thanks to their more honest
and overt positions.
I just read from Yahweh to Zion: Jealous God, Chosen People, Promised Land ..and Clash Of Civilizations. The book is an excellent
history of the nefarious role played by Jews in the cycle of civilizations for thousands of years up to the JFK assassination
and 9/11 which feature Jews in supporting and initiating roles. These two mentioned events are arguably the endgame of the Anglo-Zionist
Empire. The destroyers indeed!
The JFK assassination and 9/11 featured Jews documenting the event for celebration and narrative control. The dancing Israelis
and Abraham Zapruder were on site at the exact moment of the mortal event. What a coincidence the Jew Chorus shouts! I would like
to know more about Abraham Zapruder, born in the Ukraine in 1905. Did he know the Zionist founders of the apartheid state?
A friend of mine visited the Book Depository and was struck by how close Oswald was. It was an easy shot.
The question the conspiracy idiots don't consider is: If the "deep state" wanted to get rid of him, why not expose JFK in a
sex scandal forcing his resignation?
It would be (a lot) safer than a "conspiracy" composed of the entire government. A forced resignation from a sex scandal would
make Kennedy a laughing stock and totally disgrace him. The assassination made him a martyr, causing the passage of every measure
he had favored.
The fallout concerning the East German woman from Bobby Baker's stable whom JFK had consorted with was still bubbling on November
22, 1963.
We see more and more articles about "the Jews killed the Kennedys." True or not, this is not good for the Jews. This opens the
floodgates to "the Jews did 9/11."
Defending 9/11 is problematic for the Jews. There are many many angles that are impossible to defend.
Wiz of Oz,
Are you a troll or a Zionist sympathizer? Giving birth by a Zionist the child is a Zionist or Zionist sympathizer even if he or
she doesn't acknowledge it! This can go back as far as 7 generations if you really like to know!
Your comments are worthless indicating you have nothing to say or to add to the subject matter! Bye!
RFK was NOT going to win the presidency in 1968. A few weeks before his death, he lost the Oregon primary to Eugene McCarthy.
RFK couldn't get enough votes beyond his black base to win a general election. A poll in late May 1968 had him running 10 points
behind Nixon. Robert Kennedy was about as out of touch with Middle America as George McGovern would be for years later.
Hubert Humphrey was way ahead in delegates and in those days the "bosses" still had control. Humphrey was better liked than
Bobby withing the party. The New York primary was going to give Bobby a poor result for his "home state."
Although, RFK won the California primary, his 46-42 margin was 3-4 points lower than expected and was due to a heavy black
and Mexican vote. Bobby still didn't do well enough with white voters.
If we reject the official versions of JFK and RFK assassinations and assume they were results of conspiracies with Oswald and
Sirhan as active players or patsies then we must go by the qui bono, cui prodest, cuius bonum legal principle which certainly
will not prove who were the conspirators but will point to the most likely conspirators.
In case of JFK it is pretty obvious that Israel was the greatest beneficiary of his death because of JFK determination to stop
Israel's nuclear program. Some correspondence of JFK with PM's of Israel is available on line. Israel defense doctrine was formulate
to be based on what later was called Samson Option. In 1963 Israel still cooperated with France on its secret nuclear program.
JFK definitively was set on stopping Israel nuclear program which Israel was conducting in secret cooperation with France.
After strong letter on May 18, 163 letter PM Ben Gurion preferred to resign than to answer the letter:
https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/When-Ben-Gurion-said-no-to-JFK
Finally, Kennedy had enough, and in a personal letter dated May 18, 1963, the president warned that unless American inspectors
were allowed into Dimona (meaning the end of any military activities), Israel would find itself totally isolated. Rather than
answering, Ben-Gurion abruptly resigned. Kennedy's repeated emphasis on America's "deep commitment to the security of Israel"
was all well and good, but, as seen after Egypt's sudden expulsion of UN peacekeepers in 1967, Israel could not depend on anyone
– even the US.
Ben-Gurion's successor, Levi Eshkol received Kennedy's next letter, which upped the pressure, warning that the American
commitment and support of Israel "could be seriously jeopardized."
At the same time RFK as AG was considering forcing pro Israel lobbies to register as Foreign Agents. The last before JFK death
communication from DOJ was on 10/11/1963: DOJ Demanded for AZC Registration "the Department expects a response from you within
72 hours with regard to this matter." Six days later
http://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/
"Judge Rifkind then made a plea for no registration, stating it was the opinion of most of the persons affiliated with the
Council that such registration would be so publicized by the American Council on Judaism that it would eventually destroy the
Zionist movement he did not believe his clients would file any papers or sign any papers indicating that the organization was
an agent of a foreign principal. I told him that any such information or material that is supplied on that basis would be made
part of the Department's public files available for inspection by the public "
In DOJ internal memo on 4/30/1964 before replacing RFK as AG with Nicholas Katzenbach the following was stated: "This is the
most blatant stall we have encountered. Do you mind suggesting what we do next because all of us here would call their records
before a grand jury." RFK resigns as AG in September 1964. When Katzenbach became acting AG and then AG exchanges between Jewish
lobby and DOJ continued but no action was taken by DOJ. Eventually on n 11/27/1967, four years and five days after JFK's death
AIPAC applies for a federal tax exemption. The lobby has won.
As far as RFK is concerned the conspirators could not allow him to become president, period. His assassination is predicated
on conspiracy of JFK assassination and subsequent cover up. If we assume that Sirhan was indeed hypnotized patsy conspirators
seem to overdid the cover story and the created legend (though it worked for most people who bought the story) by trying to bring
attention to Palestinians who were allegedly upset with RFK's strong pro-Israel stance. The problem with the story is that RFK
did not demonstrate that he had strong pro-Israeli position. Anyway, most people got a message that RFK got killed because he
was pro-Israel, so certainly Israel was off the suspect list, right?
Since the two assassinations dozens of theories were floated, including the most ridiculous ones, like that Onassis was behind
it, which got public exposure often in MSM. The only theory that can't get any traction in MSM is the one linking Israel.
Although this is actually an insightful comment, you overlook the fact that Organized Jewry has no problem turning on former
acolytes (even fellow Jews) who are not completely lockstep with the party line.
The tenuous connections were not all that tenuous. For instance Owen Latimore was indeed a soviet agent who influenced many
state department operatives.
The real reasons McCarthy was brought down was that the entire communist operation was so heavily Jewish. It's really a wonder
that the Rosenbergs were arrested and found guilty.
I read that silly RFK the dead messiah would have cured the problems thing you posted. What a crock.
JFK MLK RFK the holy trinity what a load.
Robert Kennedy jr is running for president. He just wants to get his name in the papers and the internet and get votes from
all the baby boomers who grow up when the media was so worshipful of the Kennedys and MLK.
I'm really beginning to wonder what Ron Unz is doing with his website. Last week we got that moronic article by 9/11 doucher
David Lorimer, and now we are treated to a 10,000 word disquisition about how Israel assassinated the Kennedys -- both of which
articles are rather baseless canards but are deeply emotionally appealing to a certain coterie of contrarians and which are
sure to attract (and have attracted) the most odious collection of commenters who are both uninterested in and oblivious to
the the truth about any of it.
I would be disappointed if all the articles on unz.com were like this one; but it is better to have some articles that we might
consider moronic, than to expect Ron Unz to personally arbitrate between fact and fiction on readers' behalf – as the NYT and
WP do.
There will always be boundaries on what can be published, and IMHO in most media the boundaries are far too narrow. It is better
if the boundaries are over-broad than over-narrow. A possible downside with over-broad boundaries is that bad stories might "taint"
good ones, by association; on the other hand, a narrow scope might be taken to imply that the publisher endorses each article.
The same with commenters: IMHO it is better to have some that are odious, than to give moderators the job of removing any comments
that could reasonably be considered offensive. It is not difficult to scan the comments and skip past the ones that are not informative.
On the article itself, it did make us think about the headline question for half an hour – even if most of us agree that Betteridge's
Law Of Headlines applies in this case. I looked up the JFK Jr case again, remembering the official story that his plane crashed
into the sea during very heavy rain – only to find that this is not the official story at all (JFK Jr was supposedly disoriented
by conditions that were merely hazy). So who spread the "heavy rain" story and why? And if the Israelis killed JFK Jr, should
we remove his name from the "Clinton body count"?
Nowadays we accept that Israel, India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons. It is worth remembering that in the sixties the Israeli
nuclear weapons program was a shocking secret, and it remained so until 1986 when Mordechai Vananu told the story. JFK's opposition
to Dimona, and the possible Israeli reaction to it, must be seen in this context.
Michael Rivero has examined the many clues that JFK JR was assassinated. Here are some of clues that he found. We don't have
a "free" press in our MSM. Investigating or questioning the narratives given to us by our "free controlled press" is considered
"conspiracy theories".
Having established that the government and the media have a prior (and quite deplorable) record of deliberate lies to the public,
let us look at how the official story of the crash of John F. Kennedy Jr's plane evolved, and why it is suspect.
As first reported by United Press International, John F. Kennedy Jr. on approach to Martha's Vineyard in 8 mile visibility, was
in radio contact with the ground, calmly informing them of his intentions to drop off a passenger before proceeding to Hyannis
airport. Then, according to ABC News, JFK Jr's plane went into a steep dive, and crashed.
However, even before the wreckage was found, the story being put out in the media began to change. Gone was the previously reported
radio conversation a calm JFK Jr. had with ground personnel just before the plane fell out of the sky, replaced by a declaration
from the NTSB that JFK Jr. had not used his radio at all as he approached Martha's Vineyard. Gone also was the originally reported
8 mile visibility while the media began to hammer home the claim that Martha's Vineyard had been totally blanketed with a haze
so heavy that pilots in the air would have been blind.
No sooner were the various stories put out but they quickly fell apart.
Here are some examples.
PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. was lost.
FACT: When JFK Jr. radioed controllers on the Cape (as reported on Boston TV News) to announce his approach to Martha's Vineyard,
radar showed him to be just where he stated he was and at the correct altitude for the approach.
PROPAGANDA: JK Jr. was in "over his head".
FACT: JFK Jr's conversational tone on the radio reveals that he was calm. He was not disoriented. He didn't ask for directions.
He didn't indicate he had any problem at all. He clearly was confident he was going to find the airport and land.
PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. stalled the plane.
FACT: The radar track shows that he was well above stall speed.
PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. went into a steep turn and lost his horizon.
FACT: There is no reason for JFK Jr. to have been in any turn at all at that point on the flight path leading into the airport.
He was already lined up with the main runway at Martha's Vineyard airport.
PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. didn't know his altitude and simply "flew into the ocean".
FACT: The radar track shows him flying at the proper altitude, then (as ABC News put it) "falling out of the sky".
PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. lost his instruments, and that is why he could not handle the dark and hazy (?) conditions
FACT: The fact that the radar was getting good data from his encoding altimeter proves his instruments were operating.
PROPAGANDA: JFK Jr. would have lost his artificial horizon if the vacuum pump failed in the aircraft.
FACT: MSNBC is the only media outlet to have tried to hype this one, using a self-proclaimed "aviation expert". His claim is also
false, as there is a backup vacuum system in the pitot assembly of that aircraft.
PROPAGANDA JFK Jr. was a reckless pilot.
FACT: This claim was planted everywhere in the media, always attributed to an "unnamed source". One reporter, Cindy Adams at the
New York Post, later had cause to suspect she had been lied to. So did Andrew Goldman at the New York Observer. Interviews with
individuals directly familier with JFK Jr's flying ability shown on Inside Edition confirmed that he was a highly skilled and
careful pilot.
PROPAGANDA JFK Jr's wife was afraid to fly with him.
FACT: Again a story attributed to "unnamed sources", and again debunked by the interviews shown on Inside Edition. JFK Jr's wife
had no problem flying with JFK Jr. and flew with him often.
PROPAGANDA JFK Jr. had only 40 hours experience.
FACT: He had 40 hours in that one aircraft. His total experience was about 300 hours, more than enough to qualify him for a commercial
pilot's license. According to FAA statistics, 300 hours made him a more careful and safer pilot than one with 1000 hours, who
is more complacent.
PROPAGANDA The weather was very hazy.
FACT: The FAA issued VFR weather conditions that night, and the weather report (mentioned in the UPI story) called for 8 mile
visibility. One witness on shore reported that there was very little haze and that standing on the shore, he could see airplanes
out over the ocean on approach to the island, proof that airplanes on the approach could see the shore. This claim is backed up
not only by the weather report of 8 mile visibility, but by a weather radar image taken at about the time of the crash. This radar
image is showing haze and fog along New York and Long Island (if this radar image were of clouds, the FAA would not have declared
VFR flying conditions that night) but none at all at Martha's Vineyard. On the morning after the crash, CNN reported that weather
could be ruled out as a factor in the crash!
PROPAGANDA: Martha's Vineyard is very dark and won't show through the haze.
FACT: That may have been true only a few months ago. However, as evidenced by a Letter to the Editor of the Martha's Vineyard
Times just days after the JFK Jr. crash, new lights installed on the island, lights that point up in the sky, are so bright they
are drawing complaints from island residents.
That the Kennedy family has been the target of political assassination is a part of the American political landscape. It's a given.
That cover-ups surrounded the deaths of Kennedys is also a given.
That our government lies to us, with the media's help, is a given.
There is good cause to assume we are being lied to yet again.
During that same 1962-63 period Senator William J. Fulbright of Arkansas, Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations, convened
hearings on the legal status of the American Zionist Council (AZC). The Committee uncovered evidence that the Jewish Agency, a
predecessor to the state of Israel, operated a massive network of financial "conduits" which funnelled funds to U.S. Israel lobby
groups. As a result, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy (RFK) ordered the AZC to openly register and disclose all of its foreign
funded lobbying activity in the United States. The attempt was subsequently thwarted first by the Israel lobby itself and then
by the death of President Kennedy which lead to growing concerns regarding the impact of the ever-growing Zionist influence on
U.S. policy making decisions. On April 15, 1973, Fulbright -- who lost his Senate seat the following year -- had no qualms about
boldly announcing on CBS Face the Nation that : "Israel controls the U.S. Senate. The Senate is subservient, much too much; we should be more concerned about U.S. interests
rather than doing the bidding of Israel. The great majority of the Senate of the U.S. -- somewhere around 80% -- is completely
in support of Israel; anything Israel wants; Israel gets. This has been demonstrated time and again, and this has made [foreign
policy] difficult for our government."
AIPAC eludes US law, part of international lobby for Israel
The most powerful and effective foreign-government lobby in Washington is so dominant that it has been able to avoid registering
for the past 55 years. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) was last confronted by FARA when its predecessor organization
the American Zionist Council was pressured by John F. Kennedy's Justice Department in 1962 and 1963. Kennedy's death stopped that
effort -- and ended White House attempts to hold Israel accountable for the development of its secret nuclear weapons program
(which depended on nuclear material removed illegally from the United States with the connivance of a company located in Pennsylvania
called NUMEC).
A Jewish Defector Warns America:
Benjamin H. Freedman Speaks on Zionism
And no doubt your 'friend' could have fired the "magic bullet" as well. "Sex scandal"? LOL. That would have taken years to have had any impact, if at all. And since when do sex scandals force Presidents to retire. Given your logic, a sex scandal could have been used against Lincoln, therefore John Wilkes Booth is innocent.
I visited the Book depository when I was in Dallas for a week and noted that the distance was short, the window was way above
the street and it would have been an easy shot. I doubt a Marine would have missed.
What's really silly is the way people who've never held any type of gun in their lives keep insisting that Oswald's score on
the Marine marksman test proves he was a bad shot. Just because he didn't get the highest score doesn't mean he wasn't capable
of firing the shot that killed Kennedy.
Thanks for your perspective! I have read some of M. Guanot's work with interest.
While it is quite plausible that the Zionist entity and the CIA regime have congruent criminal interests, this is not what
Guyanot theorizes. He imagines a CIA that sets up all the preconditions for a coup, without actually meaning to go through with
it, and a foreign devil that unexpectedly takes it all and runs with it. That's idiotic. It also happens to be CIA's boilerplate
excuse for all their grave crimes. There's nothing new up there. What's worse, it's plagiarized from Langley fops and jarheads.
It's not just stupid, but stupid in a telltale way.
An engineer is highly trained, not highly educated. That might be why he applies bog standard old-fashioned Orientalism, which
originally applied to Jews, then didn't, and now does again – and voila, we've got a suspect that isn't CIA! Guyanot's Orientalism
is interesting because it highlights the Israeli state's exploitation of biblical myth as pretext for genocidal ideology. But
he's over his head when trying to re-interpret the documented conduct of the US command structure. Perhaps that's how he falls
into the CIA's propaganda line. Let's hope so.
Polack is, effectively, almost any Polish national who dances upon the official
fairy-telling narrative of Polish state puppeteers. In that Marvelous Universe, Poland is a
truly indispensable part of the West, for its glorious deeds of once Saving the Christendom
in Vienna, and containing the Bear all other time.
In reality, it is a loser entity that 'Cannot Into Space' on many historic occasions
– mostly from building multi-ethnic empire to invading Russia. Poles suffer from being
surrounded by equally capable neighbors, Russians and Germans. Chopin is good, but he is
neither Mozart nor Chaikovsky, and to have such genii, one has to build empire first, and
then enjoy imperial music and literature.
For the West, Poland is an 'useful idiot' or a dupe, never treated as equal partner. In
Western (Capitalist) division of nations labor Poles are The Exploited. They are 1) cannon
fodder from Vienna to Monte-Cassino 2) theater of war and destruction to prevent Russians
from entering and destroying True Europe 3) cheap labor or preferrable white slaves 4) one
who pays for everything. Today, option 3 is fullfilled, others are selected by the the West.
Poland is a still a resource, and will be consumed by the West on any pretext. To the East,
there is a Big Brother that has its own resources.
We Russians used to treat the Polish identity illness, by capturing Warsaw many times. The
prognosis is still grave. Dear Polish brethren, we have no other options for you. Stick with
the West, keep your Catholic dreams and continue to perish. When you go critical, we may
think of surgery again.
The US decided, by promulgating Act 447, that a Polish Jew has never been a citizen of
Poland; he was a member of Jewry, and his property should revert to Jewry, not to the
Goyish Polish state.
It is nice that the US issues laws that are supposed to have effect in other states; the
slightly tipsy Galactus of Democracy is in his Heaven, all is right with the World.
It means that they can seize property of recently deceased ones in the Homeland and
embiggen the Tribe, But how are they going to enforce it in Poland? Sanctions? Threats to
move NATO out of Poland? No F-35 for you?
(Also, did the Scriptures say anything about when the Monstrously Swollen Jewish Messiah
will meet Ultra-Confucius for a Battle at the End of Times?)
The West pushed the Poles to rise against Germans in 1944, hoping to re-establish
anti-Russian Poland once again, but did nothing when the rebels bled to death. (Well, not
exactly nothing: they complained why Russian soldiers do not want to die for them).
Please do not forget the extraordinary role of the RAF and SAAF aircrews who flew supplies
to the Home Army in Warsaw from bases in southern Italy. Many of them lost their lives and
are buried in a Commonwealth cemetery in Krakow.
Magnificent article . Pole troops even invaded Spain with Napoleon , those " catholic " Poles
did not seem to feel bad for joining antichristian French revolutionary armies invading
Catholic Spain .
Polish Pope John Paul II , Woytila , joined forces with Reagan and Thatcher , with the
most wild anglosaxon imperialism , against the rest of the world . John Paul II , with his 27
year pontificate , left the Catholic Church devastated , the Catholic churches empty , the
people faithless .
When Polacks , baltics , and other weirdo countries of eastern europe joined the EU I
realized that the EU had no future .
Poland is a very sinister country , a factor of endless conflicts .
To liken Jewry to a feudal order of obligations and ownership explains a lot about their
collective behavior.
I hope the Polish people tell the United States to go to hell.
Perhaps there is little that we as Americans can do right now to stop the control freaks
in our Zionist controlled government from behaving like ruthless feudal landlords, but I am
hoping that the rest of the Western world removes the American boot off its neck and tells
the US to -- - off.
On a different note, Tesla is going to zero. The company has a number of severe problems:
• Tesla is burning through one billion per quarter and is likely to run out of cash
this year
• It is the only company of its size (in the market) offering high yield debt and stock
offerings to accredited investors (which do not require SEC disclosure)
• Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman reportedly refused to meet with Elon Musk when he was
in Saudi Arabia
• Elon Musk has violated federal securities, labor, and OSHA laws
• Musk and many other current and former executives have signed false documents and thus
committed perjury
• The Model 3 is a disaster and was panned by Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, and
Edmund's
• The self-dealing merger with Solar City would likely not have been approved by
shareholders without Musk's vaporware demonstration of solar roof tiles that do not exist
(securities fraud)
• Half of Tesla's output is exported, leaving it very vulnerable to trade
retaliation
• Quality problems continue to be severe, and Tesla has now resorted to partnering with
local body shops for post-production fixes
• Extreme shortage of spare parts means Teslas can be out of service for months
• Tesla takes months to refund customer deposits
• Numerous accounting problems, leading to 86 questions from the SEC for the last fiscal
year, compared to zero for Ford Motor
• Tesla "autopilot" units keep crashing
• Highest accident and fatality statistics in its vehicle class (new luxury
vehicles)
• Model S wheels and suspensions keep cracking
• Difficulty of exiting vehicle in the absence of electrical power (no mechanical door
handles) led to children literally being burned alive
• A flood of competition is inbound, including the 600 horsepower Porsche Misson-E going
into production at Zuffenhausen next year
• Tesla's zero emission credits are set to expire, just as other automakers start
harvesting them
Every freely available share is now short–not joking. You can't even short the stock
anymore generally, though puts are of course available.
Musk himself is likely to be personally wiped out as well, as he has borrowed against 40%
of his shares. He'll face a very ugly margin call when the stock starts sliding.
Additionally, he's likely to personally face both civil and criminal liability.
This is the essence of the JQ. Jewish interest transcends borders and so it is futile to
speak of "Israel wants" when essentially all the major Jewish orgs are very Zionist and in
effect act as a fifth column within their respective host nations.
The big mistake of Jew-aware people and organizations is (and has always been in the past)
to treat Jews based on that perceived unity as if they were a monolithic organization, which
they aren't.
Hitler thought that Jews were pushing the US (and previously the UK) to enter the war. (He
was not wrong.) He thought that a good way to make them stop this would be to threaten
European Jews. He thought that if American Jews saw that a war might endanger the very lives
of all European Jews (and his threats beginning in January 1939 were quite explicit in that
regard – "if Jews succeed in pushing the world into a world war once again, the result
will be the extermination of European Jewry"), then American Jews might be deterred from
pushing the US into the war.
Hitler's calculations would've been correct, if Jewry were monolithic organization, which
it is not. If there was a World Jewish Committee which would regularly meet, then they'd
coolly and rationally examine the possibilities, and perhaps decide that the destruction of
the National Socialist German Reich was not worth the destruction of European Jewry. They
might try to engage in talks with the Germans to get Jews out of Europe in exchange for
guaranteed peace, or something.
But Jewry was totally decentralized. Hitler's anti-Jewish threats merely had the effect of
making Jews (including influential Jews) more determined in their anti-German or anti-Nazi
hatred, and so strengthened their push for war.
I'm afraid a similar strategy (which I had proposed just this week) would probably lead to
similar results: if Russia started threatening Israel in response to American policies
(pushed by American Jewry), the result would be a strengthening of resolve and would make
Israel (whose policies are currently not very hostile to Russia, for example they don't
participate in any sanctions or embargoes against it) also explicitly hostile to Russia.
So I'm not sure what a strong Russian stance against Israel would accomplish. I understand
for example utu, since he'd be delighted if a nuclear war broke out between Israel and
Russia, but I can understand why Russians (including Putin and Karlin) don't really want to
risk it for Arabs.
Memoria day is an anti-war holiday designed to remeber horrible number of Civil war dead. But now it is converted into
something like glorification of militarism day.
Neocons are renegade Trotskyites 'aligned' with US imperialism and how fighting for "world neoliberal revolution".
Pay for their revolutionary fervor is much better though.
Notable quotes:
"... Trotsky helped create the Red Army as well as the intellectual underpinnings of the (worldwide) communist revolution. This movement destroyed/ended/ruined the lives of many millions of innocent people. Shouldn't a movement that caused this much damage ruin the reputation of its architects? ..."
"... Frunze was the real architect of the Red Army, while Trotsky's main contribution to the Red Army was getting Czarist commanders to join. Trotsky likely had Frunze assassinated, rather than Stalin. ..."
"... Considering America (and Japan's) Siberian adventure, and the mass killings involved, e.g. by Japanese and Americans, well, pots and kettles and all that. ..."
"... that today's Trotskyites come down on the side of Isramerican-backed Sunni terrorists in Syria should surprise no one. Because yesterday's Trotskyites are now called (((neo-cons))) originally via the "anti-Stalinist" Partisan Review, then Commentary, then Nat Review. ..."
"... It was quite striking how, when Gaddafi was brutally murdered, you got similar reactions from Hillary Clinton and British Socialist Workers Party honcho Alex Callinicos – malicious gloating. ..."
"... It was a bit like a flash of lightning on a dark night – a brief illumination of surroundings and what these people really stand for, as opposed to the ideological posturing. ..."
"... Whenever I read anything purporting to identify international bad guys and good guys, I always like to ask: "Who has this purported bad guy invaded recently? How many bombs has this bad guy dropped on other people's countries?" I feel it clarifies matters. ..."
"... Maybe Bronstein himself was a delusional revolutionary true believer, we'll probably never know for sure, but I doubt very much his neocon disciples are motivated by some internationalist idealism. ..."
"... A well known saying in left wing activist circles in the UK was "Never trust a Trot." ..."
"... Trotskyites, much more than Stalinists, love war, worship war, live to make war for everybody and everything they see as not theirs. Trotskyites have as large an appetite for carnage leading to their greater empire than any people that ever lived with the exception of Mongols. ..."
Trotsky helped create the Red Army as well as the intellectual underpinnings of the (worldwide) communist revolution. This
movement destroyed/ended/ruined the lives of many millions of innocent people. Shouldn't a movement that caused this much damage
ruin the reputation of its architects?
Not in the case of Trotsky. He was such a brilliant Jew!
Trotsky was not that competent militarily, and even tried to arrange a transfer of e.g. Czech troops to Vladivostok to allow
them to fight on the western front, and allowed American inspections of German prisoners of war in a hope of forestalling the
coming Allied invasion (through Siberia and the North). Frunze was the real architect of the Red Army, while Trotsky's main
contribution to the Red Army was getting Czarist commanders to join. Trotsky likely had Frunze assassinated, rather than Stalin.
Considering America (and Japan's) Siberian adventure, and the mass killings involved, e.g. by Japanese and Americans, well,
pots and kettles and all that.
If we are to compare death tolls, we could look at the US and UK armies' intervention (and Canada's!), directly (1994, from
Burundi, mainly to prevent Hutu civilians from fleeing), and, more importantly, via proxy (1990 to the present, using the Ugandan
army, armed by the former armies, with constant supply flights until at least 1994) in Rwanda and later Congo-Kinshasa. Two million
Hutu (Rwanda, 1994, from former Kagame Henchman, Eric Hakizimana) and five to ten million eastern Congolese (mainly in the Kivus),
from that intervention alone. The intervention also included the assassination of Rwandan president Habyarimana, and of former
Burundian president Cyprien Ntaryamira (Burundi's first democratically elected president, deposed in a baTutsi (feudal aristocrat)
coup likely sponsored by same western armies), mere days after the
death threat by former US secretary of state for
African affairs, Herman Cohen.
that today's Trotskyites come down on the side of Isramerican-backed Sunni terrorists in Syria should surprise no one. Because
yesterday's Trotskyites are now called (((neo-cons))) originally via the "anti-Stalinist" Partisan Review, then Commentary,
then Nat Review.
It was quite striking how, when Gaddafi was brutally murdered, you got similar reactions from Hillary Clinton and British
Socialist Workers Party honcho Alex Callinicos – malicious gloating.
It was a bit like a flash of lightning on a dark
night – a brief illumination of surroundings and what these people really stand for, as opposed to the ideological posturing.
Whenever I read anything purporting to identify international bad guys and good guys, I always like to ask: "Who has this
purported bad guy invaded recently? How many bombs has this bad guy dropped on other people's countries?" I feel it clarifies
matters.
@The practical result of this verbal agitation is simply to align this brand of Trotskyism with U.S imperialism.
Wasn't 'Trotskyism' 'aligned' with US imperialism from the very moment when he transported the Warburg-Schiff money to Russia
to carry on the 'permanent revolution'?
And when Stalin cut Trotsky's crap who jumped to his defense? The Dewey "Commission of Inquiry into the Charges Made against Leon
Trotsky in the Moscow Trials". And who are the imperialist 'neo-cons' other than 'old Trotskyists'?
I did not read about the suspicion that Bron(f)stein in reality was a German agent. What one reads in these two books does not
make the suspicion go away
John W Wheeler-Bennett, 'Brest-Litovsk, The forgotten peace, March 1918', 1938, 1963, London
Erich Ludendorff, 'Meine Kriegserinnerungen 1914 = 1918′, Berlin, 1918
If they weren't so nefarious, the trotsies wouldn't be worth reading, let alone mentioning. Maybe Bronstein himself was a
delusional revolutionary true believer, we'll probably never know for sure, but I doubt very much his neocon disciples are motivated
by some internationalist idealism.
Neocons are jewish supremacists aided by corrupt to the core goyim, plain and simple. They do have in common with their guru
one conviction, that the end justifies the means. That is the recipe of evil.
It's a pity that so many youth are misled still today in believing in the hoax that Trotskyism is somehow something moral.
Trotsky was himself a murderer. Killing is immoral. It sometimes is necessary and cannot be avoided as with regards to the psychotic
butchers who came from abroad to Syria and are known as ISIS but it is still immoral.
Normal people sense killing as immoral therefore psychopaths have to come up with stories such as Germans slaughtering Belgian
babies with bayonets, Iraqis throwing Kuwaiti babies out of incubators, Serbs genociding Bosniaks or Albanians, Qadhafi readying
for genocide in Benghazi, Assad pulling children's fingernails or gassing them, Iran being responsible for 9/11 etc, all in order
to dehumanise the enemy of the moment and compel people to accept that killing "sub-humans" half way around the world is a moral
act. It isn't. Period.
Unlike all those fake atrocities, Western and Saudi trained, armed and financed foreign terrorists in Syria did film themselves
doing horrors. They videotaped themselves burning people alive, throwing people off building tops. They videotaped themselves
beheading children. Assad didn't make those videos, ISIS did, to brag. Only mentally ill people can support those "rebels" against
Assad. Yet, as a Christian, I don't consider killing them as moral, I consider it as necessary and unavoidable, but it is an act
that mandates penitence.
Trotsies ignore those qualms and, whether real or alleged followers, are sick people. End of story.
From Trotsky's doctrine of Permanent Revolution onward, the hallmark of Trotskyism has been a quest for intellectual purity in
revolution – no contradictions allowed. No mixed economies under socialism. No pragmatic alliances. No consideration of national
security. Stake everything on a worldwide wave of revolution. Every real-world tactical issue since 1939 has led to fracturing
of the Trotskyist movement, generally into a "pure" faction and a "get something done" faction. International Socialists represented
the "pure" faction after the 1939 split (after it spun off the forebears of the neoconservative movement). Its sole contribution
of significance was as an intellectual incubator for Christopher Hitchens. More "pure" factions spun off in the early 1960s, which
sooner or later degenerated into cults. Lyndon LaRouche made his mark leading one of the "pure" factions. The "get something done"
faction made its mark as highly effective organizers of protests against the war in Vietnam but started chasing silly fads of
the student New Left, trying unsuccessfully to connect them to a revolutionary strategy. Their "revolutionary" rationale for those
movements blew up when they went in a decidedly bourgeois-aligned bureaucratic direction and became adjuncts to the Democratic
Party. WSWS represents the revival of purist Trotskyism, which offers cogent critiques of the glorified left-liberal postmodernist
"Trotskyism" of Louis Proyect and Socialist Alternative, but seems to choke on the question of what they themselves actually intend
to accomplish.
The Russian revolution served German interests more than it did American ones. Germany sponsored Lenin's return from Zurich
to lead the revolution that would get Russia out of the war. It makes no sense to contend that the Russian revolution served American
interests or that Warburg-Schiff were acting on their behalf. They were acting against the US interest in keeping Russia in the
war against Germany. They had been financing anti-Tsarist activity in Russia for years.
If one wants to make the case that Trotsky was a German agent, they would have to explain his agitation for spreading the revolution
into Germany. You could make a stronger case that George Washington was a French agent against Britain. Revolutions have tended
to occur in the cracks and contradictions opened in the struggles between the great powers, including the revolutions in China
and Vietnam.
The problem is not that an ignorant, Tony McKenna, will still in 2018 be a Trotskyst , that is a defender of a mass murderer.
The problem is that the writer of this piece seems to believe that it is worth spending time writing an article about such
an ignorant and irrelevant man. Maybe because he "writes well", which, she admires.
That one can "write well" and "speak well, as intellectuals do, but be a jerk, doesn't occur to Ms Johnson.
The problem is also because the writer herself, ignores how profoundly ignorant is Tony McKenna.
"Revolution is very rare. It is more a myth than a reality "
No, Revolutions are criminal enterprises. They always were and they always will be.
Robespierre, Lenine, Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler, Mao were criminals.
The first European revolution – The French Revolution – was the first big lie and the first to put into practice the industrial
killing of a people – People of Vendée – . The first EUropean Genocide was committed by the French revolutionaries.
It is not by chance that all major criminals (Lenine etc ) studied the French Revolution and would apply later in their countries
the model that the French terrorists (Revolutionaries) applied to France.
Those who are interested in knowing the truth about the Franch Revolution (and all revolutions and why so called Trotskysts
are a bunch of fools) should read Reynald Secher – A French Genocide: The Vendee.
"In our era, the most successful revolutions have been in Third World countries"
Well, if one can write such nonsense, then when can admire Tony McKenna and waste time writing a silly article.
Great article! Thanks to Diana Johnstone for writing such a fine article which blows right out of the water so much of the BS
being bandied about in relation to the Syrian War, Stalin, etc. Ms. Johnstone is a REAL intellectual. Wish there were more like
her in the Anglosphere nowadays.
President Asad is a doctor by profession. He is a family man and has raised a beautiful family. Prior to this Saudi Terrorist
Revolution he rode his own car, at times taking his family shopping .hardly signs of a baby killer or a 'chemical animal'.
Trotskyites, much more than Stalinists, love war, worship war, live to make war for everybody and everything they see as not
theirs. Trotskyites have as large an appetite for carnage leading to their greater empire than any people that ever lived with
the exception of Mongols.
Trotskyites and WASPs – who created the largest empire in world history – in bed together, with the evil House of Saud, could
destroy civilization.
I just finished Kotkin's Stalin book chapter on the purges, which made no sense (the book is good but has no narrative). The
purges would have made more sense as a full on battle with the Trotskyite elements. My other theory is that they were a paychological
projection of guilt from the collectivization murders, realized as more murders.
Fools and idiots come in various shapes and sizes, as do socialists and wildlife. The zebra stands out from afar, its stripes
give it away. Likewise, the Trotskyites stand out markedly in the fairly jumbled-up socialist landscape, given away by their towering
stupidity and luminous obstinacy. Whenever some wretched poor, weak country is being bombed by the West, these useful idiots of
empire jump up and down in merriment. Whenever a union anywhere is trying to extort more money for less work, these fools give
their support. The burning down of churches and the spreading of atheism at gunpoint is another trait of theirs. Christian Socialists
they hate with a special vengeance, taking their cue from Marx the great "visionary", whose vision was fairly deficient in many
ways.
Stalin had Trot's head badgered-in, if I recall. Well, with a head as stupid as Trotsky's, half the world would be itching
to bash it in. One of those good things that Stalin did, IMHO.
The purges would have made more sense as a full on battle with the Trotskyite elements.
That's exactly how I interpret Stalin's purges, too. I think he was trying to wrest control of the Communist Party generally–and
the NKVD specifically–from the (((Trotskyite))) mafia which then dominated them.
I just finished Kotkin's Stalin book chapter on the purges, which made no sense (the book is good but has no narrative).
Is Kotkin Jewish? Maybe the reason his recounting of the purges doesn't make sense is because he doesn't really want to talk
about what prompted them. Like anything else in life, if you want to understand Stalin's purges, you first have to understand
the context in which they took place.
Syrians have told me that Bashar al-Assad was a decent chap. But taking his family shopping could not be different from John McCain
walking through Baghdad with one hundred soldiers around him and helicopters overhead to show how safe it was. If Bashar al-Assad
"went shopping" in Damascus (instead of London or Paris) then two thousand plain clothes were also shopping with him. And for
what would he "go shopping" in Damascus? Shopping for an illusion, that's what.
"In the context of a global neoliberalism, where governments across the board were enacting the most pronounced forms of
deregulation and overseeing the carving up of state industries by private capital, the Assad government responded to the heightening
contradictions in the Syrian economy by following suit -- by showing the ability to march to the tempo of foreign investment
while evincing a willingness to cut subsidies for workers and farmers." [ -Tony McKenna ]
This is like cursing the pizza store owner who gives 'protection' money to the mafia, without cursing the mafia which extorts
him! As Johnstone later points out, back then Assad had little choice but to try and make his peace with Uncle Scam as best he
could, since the USSR was no longer around to protect Syria.
McKenna concludes by quoting Louis Proyect: "If we line up on the wrong side of the barricades in a struggle between the
rural poor and oligarchs in Syria, how can we possibly begin to provide a class-struggle leadership in the USA, Britain, or
any other advanced capitalist country?"
Ah yes: Louis Proyect. The one and only! It was he who recently defended the 'rebels' as proletarian Bolsheviks struggling
for a new, socialist Syria:
"The Syrian rebels are generally drawn from the poor, rural and unrepresented majority of the population, the Arab version
of John Steinbeck's Joad family. Despite the tendency of some on the left to see them as sectarians who rose up against a generous
Baathist welfare state because it supported a different interpretation of who was the true successor to Muhammad, the revolutionary
struggle in Syria was fueled by class hatred."
The trouble with Trotskyists is that they are always "supporting" other people's more or less imaginary revolutions. They
are always telling others what to do. They know it all. The practical result of this verbal agitation is simply to align this
brand of Trotskyism with U.S imperialism.
Which is why, once they reach a certain age and a certain level of burn-out, rather than simply give up on politics entirely,
they usually tend to become neoconservatives , as did Chris Hitchens. For them, the Rockefeller/Rothschild 'new world order'
is the next best thing to Trotsky's 'world revolution'.
The thing that escaped the author is that Trotskyism is a dead horse. The number of Trotskyists in any country is as close to
zero as makes no difference. These deluded weirdos are outnumbered even by flat-Earthers.
I don't know if Kotkin is a member of the tribe, but he definitely is on the Putin/Russia bashing wagon and is deeply steeped
in all the classic WASP institutions.
Most of the Hoover people seem to have the anti-Russian disease.
The give away in his chapter on the purges was that he blamed it on the defective personality of Stalin, i.e. Stalin was just
crazy.
Certainly Stalin was a brutal murderer, but any time the sole reason for a historical event is someone's personality you can bet
you're reading propaganda.
If you have an sources that make for a better reading on the purges, please do post.
Absolutely. Ghadafi was sodomized by bayonet and Clinton cackled over it with malicious glee.
The posing of Assad as some kind of monster is just lynch-mob rationalization. McKenna doesn't believe what he is saying any
more than Stalin believed show trial confessions obtained under torture.
It's all the more pleasurable to these psychopaths that they cloak their crimes with phony virtue. Hence, putting Assad out
there as this cartoon villian.
As if ISIS, who we fostered and nurtured, was any better? Or communist Kurds? My God how we forget each disaster from Afghanistan
to Iraq, to Libya, to Syria now the scorched-earth war and subsequent disease, etc.? These people thrive on death and mayhem.
Excellent point. The global revolution socialists are hard core ideologies who put ideological purity over practical considerations.
Hence their failure to achieve any kind of real world success. Wherever socialists have had some sustainable success it has been
achieved by combining socialism with elements of nationalism and capitalism. The communist military successes in Russia, China
and Vietnam were achieved by appealing to nationalism. The Chinese economic miracle has been achieved through state capitalism.
The Scandinavian welfare state has depended on government support for big companies like Volvo and Nokia.
There are lessons here for English-speaking countries with their dogmatic attachment to liberal values like free trade, open
borders and anti-nationalism.
Eh No. The first *modern* European revolution was the American revolution, and it's not a joke. Fully European, of European
people and European powers. All European powers indeed, UK, France, Spain, many German states, and so on. And French revolution
was broadly more than Robespierre, it was UK, Spain, the German states, the Pope, the Austrian Empire, the many factions of the
French people (if such concept had any sense then, in a territory only less than 25% spoke French), all of them were criminals,
or only was Robespierre? Was criminal the previous kingdom, in a permanent basis of bloody wars and social injustice?
Maybe revolutions are simply a security valve, steaming a bit and that's all. By the way, the word itself goes back to Coppernicus,
a revolution is a full orbit of a planet around the Sun. It ends where started.
The entire Human History is criminal, against Humankind itself and our own planet. We must understand, not look for criminals.
You are right. I was surprised to see the article as I thought they were all in old age homes.
They really really are gone in America, even in the universities. May be because in America because our "struggle" is multi
millionaire Jews and upper middle class blacks Asians Hispanics and Indians against poor Whites.
In America a $200,000 a year black women school administrator is an opressed victim. The poorest disabled White man is a privileged
aristocrat who must be sent to the guillotine.
I'm very interested in the Vendeens. I have the memoirs of Renee Bourderau.
It's not a book. I got it from the library of Congress copying service and put the pages in a binder.
Loyola uni Los Angeles has a copy in their rare books section. UCLA and USC libraries have lots of books about it, many in
English. The Lucius Green library at Stanford has many Vendean resistance books too
Quite a different story from the conventional Masonic enlightenment narrative. Our American Whiskey rebels were lucky they
surrendered so quickly or they might have met the fate of the Vendeans. There used to be a website devoted to Renee Bourdereau
maintained by some college history department.
The trouble with Trotskyists is that they are always "supporting" other people's more or less imaginary revolutions. They
are always telling others what to do. They know it all. The practical result of this verbal agitation is simply to align this
brand of Trotskyism with U.S imperialism. The obsession with permanent revolution ends up providing an ideological alibi for
permanent war.
For the sake of world peace and progress, both the United States and its inadvertent Trotskyist apologists should go home
and mind their own business.
Trotsky was a danger to the survival USSR, because he was an internationalist as is the Israeli-allied globalist cabal that
runs the USA. His differences with Stalin and the nationalists inside the Kremlin was not a small disagreement, as you assert.
You must not have ever even picked up a book on the subject.
Would you be surprised to learn that Lenin too was conspiring with the Japanese in 1904-5?
'Revolutionary defeatism' was a central tenet of his worldview and of Trotsky's too.
As brutal as Stalin was, his rule was providential, in the sense that he saved Russian nationalism, culture, and spirituality
from absolute destruction at the hands of the usual suspects' willing instrument, Lev Davidovich Bronstein.
Bronstein was an agent of the Jewish banking cabal headquartered in New York. He was financed primarily by Jacob Schiff of
Kuehn and Loeb.
Trotsky and his acolytes desired the total destruction of Russian culture and Russian Orthodoxy in particular.
Stalin was sagacious enough to realize that the Russians would never fight against the Germans and their allies for the cause
of world revolution, but knew they would fight for their Russian motherland and its spiritual traditions and folkways. Stalin
restored the patriarchate, opened up many churches, and commissioned the composition of the "Hymn of the Soviet Union" (now the
Russian National Anthem with different lyrics) in the Orthodox chorale tradition; it would ultimately replace "The Internationale."
In the meantime, the almost entirely kosher Trotskyites became viciously anti-Soviet (actually anti-Russian) and pledged their
temporary allegiance to their great American golem.
The origins of the Cold War (and today's Russia xenophobia) was- in my humble opinion- the great schism and struggle between
the international rootless tool of Wall St. and his acolytes and the ruthless- but providential -Georgian autocrat.
This Permanent revolutions is very good. But what you going to do with the Old revolutioners..
It does not bode well. If they are in the way of more and other revolutions
This Permanent revolutions is very good. But what you going to do with the Old revolutioners..
It does not bode well. If they are in the way of more and other revolutions
Louis Proyect – this is a vile scribe, who blackens the pages of the Counterpunch. A part of the Trotskyite gang that took over
this once venerable magazine!
I remember with emotion the old days, where in Minnesota, the Communist Party with me among others, and the Trotskyist of the
WS with you, among others, if my memories are good, we were fighting inside the movement against the war from VietNam.
The Trotskyists said then that once peace is won, it would be necessary to work for the overthrow of the regime of "pro-Soviet
revisionist HoChiMinh".
Even today, most of the troskysts (and CPF Eurocommunists for that matter) still deny the socialist character of China, Viet
Nam, Cuba, North Korea, and so on.
And this is even more true since these countries are inscribing their economy in the continuity of Lenin's NEP!
We come to this fable of the end of History with "globalized capitalism", as we enter a multipolar world where the socialist
countries (China, VietNam, North Korea, Cuba, Kerala ) in alliance with the BRICS non-imperialist, take over.
Have you evolved from Minnesota, or are you still a fellow traveler on the WS Trotskyite?
Maybe you're right. The first European Revolution was the American Revolution Except that it wasn't really a Revolution. If
we want to be precise, we should call it war for "Independence"/For Power.
What is sure is that future criminals (Europeans/Asians/Africans) will have the French revolution has their model and not the
American Revolution.
Revolution or not, the fact of matter is that Americans have nothing to learn from Europeans in terms of barbarism. Indian Genocide
is an example how "revolutionary" (criminal), the American Elite were/are.
"The entire Human History is criminal" – It's false.
"We must understand, not look for criminals." Obvious. But if you understand the nature of revolution you know that revolutions
are made by criminals Not just Robespierre, of course.
Renée Bourdereau is what Howard Zinn calls "Unsung Heroine".
In France, today they prefer to celebrate criminals like Robespierre, Turreau, Westermann etc..(executioners of Vendéen Genocide)
Normal, Revolution won and French politicians and Elites are very proud of their "République".
If you're interested in Vendée, you have to read Reynald Secher. He's one of the greatest French Historian. Of course he's
almost unknown because he doesn't write the official history, which is most about propaganda and not trying to find the truth.
Yes, it was. All Revolutions are about power. Obviously the Americans could not overthrown the British Crown, an Ocean in the
Middle. But they would have do if they could. Dettaching part of the Empire was (is) a way to make easier the way for others.
And, actually, American Revolution was and is a model. It was a successful model for most of Latin American independences, many
bloodbaths and not at all exempts of tyrants and psycopaths. Nor the American Revolution was an angelical promenade.
Of course, choose a model depends on the user. In fact the point here is your meeting point, actual or pretended. The ayatollahs
cannot choose the French Revolution at all as a model, not to say the Soviet one (the American neither, obviously).
What I am trying to say it's maybe Revolutions are more an accident than a deliberate political move. Maybe if the French Revolution
had not existed, France neither nowadays. And without her, the French bourgeoise. A forgotten Revolution is the Polish one, earlier
than French too. If none speaks about it's because it was a complete failure (by the way, no violence at all), and Poland was
dismembered and ceased to exist for 125 years.
If you have such "accidents" you seriously cannot expect normal people at command. The more brutal the affair, the more brutal
the "criminals". Makes no difference being an arson or an accident. You have a fire and minimizing the disaster is over any other
considerations. Call them criminals if you want, but I guess they did not many chances to behave other way. It is a common place
to say Lenin was the saint, Trotsky the martyr, and Stalin the beast. Trostky was a toff, and Stalin was a redneck who did the
dirty job. The Central Committee under Stalin was killed more than 500 out of 600 members in 30 years, all commies and most of
them personally selected by Stalin himself, I mean, it's hard to believe any real treason beyond a paranoia of pure power. But,
Russia do exist today if things had ran other way? Can anyone say the number of dead people would be lesser? Hitler came to power
with no Revolution at all, on the contrary, the 1919 German Revolution was another failure, ending with Hitler.
Kotkin's writing is readable and the details are interesting. But he appears to be a full on propagandist on the important
details, like the Tsar, the Czech and Austrian conflicts, as well as the Stalin purges.
You tell me, a man who purges millions for no apparent reason (Kotkin gives none other than paranoia) isn't an implied psychopath?
Frankfurt School ideology replaced Marxism as the driving ideology of the American Left during the 1960s. Nominal Marxists
tried to fudge that ideology into Marxism because they thought it would help to sell Marxism, but boy were they wrong! Marxist
theory instead became a talisman for selling the various identitarian ideologies used to divide and weaken the working class –
the exact opposite of what the opportunist-identitarian Marxists had anticipated. Their claims that identitarian movements were
somehow akin to the anti-colonial nationalist movements of the postwar era were diametrically wrong. They became tools of the
ruling class in their 40+ year neoliberal campaign to impose hyper-exploitive colonial conditions on the former imperial homelands.
We are all Third World now.
The idea that Stalin was fighting a Jew-mafia takeover of the USSR has been put forth by several prominent Third Positionists,
such as Francis Parker Yockey:
There are, in my judgment, three great novels that explore American military life in the
twentieth century. They are, in order of publication, Guard of Honor (1948) by James
Gould Cozzens, From Here To Eternity (1951) by James Jones, and The Sand Pebbles
(1962) by Richard McKenna.
The first is a book about airmen, set at a stateside air base during World War II. The
second is a soldier's story, its setting Schofield Barracks in the territory of Hawaii on the
eve of Pearl Harbor. In The Sand Pebbles, the focus is on sailors. It takes place in
China during the 1920s when U.S. Navy gunboats patrolled the Yangtze River and its
tributaries.
As far as I can tell, none of the three enjoys much of a following today. Despite winning
the Pulitzer Prize for fiction, Guard of Honor has all but vanished. To the extent that
the other two retain any cultural salience, they do so as movies, superb in the case of From
Here to Eternity , colorful but mediocre in the case of The Sand Pebbles.
Yet for any American seeking an intimate account of military service, all three novels
remain worth reading. Times change, as do uniforms, weapons, and tactics, but certain
fundamentals of military life endure. Leaders and led see matters differently, nurse different
expectations, and respond to different motivations. The perspective back at higher headquarters
(or up on the bridge) differs from the way things look to those dealing with the challenges of
a typical duty day. The biggest difference of all is between inside and outside -- between
those in uniform and the civilians who necessarily inhabit another world. Each in his own way,
Cozzens, Jones, and McKenna unpack those differences with sensitivity and insight.
Of the three, McKenna's novel in particular deserves revival, not only because of its
impressive literary qualities, but because the story it tells has renewed relevance to the
present day. It's a story about the role that foreign powers, including the United States,
played in the emergence of modern China.
Prompted in part by the ostensible North Korean threat, but more broadly by the ongoing rise
of China and uncertainty about China's ultimate ambitions, the American military establishment
will almost inevitably be directing more of its attention toward East Asia in the coming years.
To be sure, the conflict formerly known as the Global War on Terrorism continues and appears
unlikely to conclude anytime soon. Yet the character of that conflict is changing. Having come
up short in its efforts to pacify the Islamic world, the United States is increasingly inclined
to rely on proxies, generously supported by air power, to carry on the jihadist fight in
preference to committing large numbers of U.S. troops. Almost imperceptibly, East Asia is
encroaching upon and will eventually eclipse the Greater Middle East in the Pentagon's
hierarchy of strategic priorities.
It's this reshuffling of Pentagon priorities that endows The Sand Pebbles with
renewed significance. If past is prologue, McKenna's fictionalized account of actual events
that occurred 90 years ago involving U.S. forces in China should provide context for anyone
intent on employing American military power to check China today.
Of course, the armed forces of the United States have a long history of involvement in East
Asia. Ever since 1898, when it liberated, occupied, and subsequently annexed the Philippines,
the United States has maintained an enduring military presence in that part of the world.
To the extent that Americans are even dimly aware of what that presence has entailed, they
probably think in terms of three 20th-century Asian wars: the first in the 1940s against Japan;
the second during the 1950s in Korea; the third from the mid-1960s to the early 1970s in
Vietnam. In each, whether as ally or adversary, China figured prominently.
Yet even before the attack on Pearl Harbor initiated the first of those wars, U.S. air,
land, and naval forces had been active in and around China. Dreams of gaining access to a
lucrative "China Market" numbered among the factors that persuaded the United States to annex
the Philippines in the first place. In 1900, U.S. troops participated in the China Relief
Expedition, a multilateral intervention mounted to suppress the so-called Boxer Rebellion,
which sought to expel foreigners and end outside interference in Chinese affairs. The mission
succeeded and the U.S. military stayed on. Army and Marine Corps units established garrisons in
"treaty ports" such as Shanghai and Tientsin.
Decades earlier, the U.S. Navy had begun making periodic forays into China's inland
waterways. In the early 20th century, employing small shallow-draft vessels captured from Spain
in 1898, this presence became increasingly formalized. As American commercial and missionary
interests in China grew, the Navy inaugurated what it called the Yangtze Patrol, with Congress
appropriating funds to construct a flotilla of purpose-built gunboats for patrolling the river
and its tributaries. Under the direction of COMYANGPAT back in Shanghai, small warships flying
the Stars-and-Stripes sailed up and down the Yangtze's immense length to "protect American
lives and property."
This is the story that McKenna, himself a YANGPAT veteran, recounts, focusing on a single
fictional ship the U.S.S. San Pablo. Known as "Sand Pebbles," the few dozen sailors
comprising the San Pablo's crew are all lifers. A rough bunch, their interests rarely
extend beyond drinking and whoring. In 1920s China, an American sailor's modest paycheck
provides ample funds for both pursuits.
Even afloat, life for the Sand Pebbles is more than agreeable. Onboard the San Pablo,
an unofficial second crew consisting of local Chinese -- "contractors," we would call them
today -- does the dirty work and the heavy lifting. The Americans stay topside, performing
routines and rituals meant to convey an image of power and dominance.
San Pablo is a puny and lightly armed ship. Yet it exists to convey a big impression,
thereby sustaining the privileged position that the United States and the other imperial powers
enjoyed in China.
The revolutionary turmoil engulfing China in the 1920s necessarily challenged this
proposition. Nationalist fervor gripped large parts of the population. Imperial privilege
stoked popular resentment, which made San Pablo 's position increasingly untenable, even
if the Sand Pebbles themselves were blind to what was coming. That their own eminently
comfortable circumstances might be at risk was literally unimaginable.
McKenna's narrative describes how the world of the Sand Pebbles fell apart. His nominal
protagonist is Jake Holman, a machinist mate with a mystical relationship to machinery. Jake
loathes the spit-and-polish routine topside and wants nothing more than to remain below decks
in the engine compartment, performing duties that on San Pablo white American sailors
have long since ceased to do. In the eyes of his shipmates, therefore, Jake represents a threat
to the division of labor that underwrites their comforts.
The ship's captain, one of only two commissioned officers assigned to San Pablo,
likewise sees Jake as a threat to the status quo. To my mind, Lieutenant Collins is McKenna's
most intriguing creation and the novel's true focal point. Although the Sand Pebbles are
oblivious to how they may figure in some larger picture, for Collins the larger picture is a
continuing preoccupation. He sees his little ship, the entire U.S. Navy, America's providential
purpose, and the fate of Western civilization as all of a piece. Serious, sober, and dutiful,
he is also something of a fanatic.
Collins dimly perceives that powerful forces within China pose a direct threat not only to
the existing U.S. position there, but to his own worldview. Yet he considers the prospect of
accommodating those forces as not only intolerable, but inconceivable. So in the book's
culminating episode he leads Jake and several other Sand Pebbles on a symbolic but utterly
futile gesture of resistance. Fancying that he is thereby salvaging his ship's honor (and his
own as well), he succeeds merely in killing his own men.
I interpret McKenna as suggesting that there is no honor in denying reality. Only waste and
needless sacrifice result. Today a national security establishment as blind to reality as
Lieutenant Collins presides over futile gestures far more costly than those inflicted upon the
Sand Pebbles. It's not fiction and it's happening right before our eyes.
So skip the movie. But read McKenna's book. And then reflect on its relevance to the present
day.
"... * Melvin A. Goodman is a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy and a professor of government at Johns Hopkins University. A former CIA analyst, Goodman is the author of Failure of Intelligence: The Decline and Fall of the CIA and National Insecurity: The Cost of American Militarism. His latest book is A Whistleblower at the CIA . (City Lights Publishers, 2017). Goodman is the national security columnist for counterpunch.org . ..."
by Melvin Goodman
25 May, 2018 President Donald Trump's abrupt decision to run away from a summit meeting
with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un should not be a surprise to anyone. The White House is
encouraging the notion that China's Xi Jinping is to blame for souring the notion of a
U.S.-North Korean summit and for toughening Kim Jong Un's negotiating position, and the
mainstream media is doing its predictable best to validate such a self-serving explanation. In
actual fact, the Trump administration was never prepared to discuss any issue that resembled
arms control and disarmament, and national security adviser John Bolton, the formidable
chairman of the new "war cabinet," was never agreeable to the idea of U.S.-North Korean
diplomacy.
Any exercise in arms control and disarmament involves two sets of negotiations: first is the
internal set within the administration itself; second is the external set with foreign
counterparts. Typically, the internal negotiations within any administration is the tougher
road. One of President John F. Kennedy's greatest successes was disciplining the Pentagon in
1963 in order to negotiate the Partial Test Ban Treaty. Over the past fifty years, there has
never been an arms control and disarmament treaty that the Pentagon has welcomed.
President Richard Nixon and national security advisor Henry Kissinger were particularly
skillful at disciplining the national security bureaucracy that found the civilian and
uniformed military leaders of the Pentagon opposed to any arms control negotiations with the
Soviet Union. Nixon and Kissinger had to win the bureaucratic battles before garnering the
Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty and the Antiballistic Missile Treaty in 1972. Nixon and
Kissinger also knew how to prepare for summitry, which finds the Trump administration
particularly clueless.
President Ronald Reagan learned important lessons in the 1980s when Secretary of Defense
Casper Weinberger and his senior advisor, Richard Perle, had to be defeated bureaucratically on
the way to the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty in 1987. Weinberger and Perle were routed and
ultimately resigned. It is not an exaggeration to say that the internal negotiations on the
home front were just as difficult as the external negotiations with the Soviet Union. And in
some ways, negotiating with Soviet leaders Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Gorbachev was less
problematic because they had a genuine interest in disarmament and they had more control over
their military establishments than their U.S. rivals.
In the case of the U.S.-North Korean summit, which probably would not have led to North
Korean denuclearization, there was a reasonable opportunity of arranging a serious deescalation
of U.S. and North Korean military activities on the Korean peninsula. National security adviser
Bolton has never shown any interest in deescalating military rivalries with any U.S.
adversaries, and the general officers around President Trump are not prepared to reduce the
U.S. military presence in South Korea or to temper U.S.-South Korean exercises that are so
threatening to the North Koreans. Communist military doctrine views such exercises as a
possible prelude to an actual attack.
Bolton is new to Trump's national security team, but he is clearly the major winner in this
diplomatic setback. Other members of the team, including the Secretaries of State and Defense
were not consulted prior to the sudden announcement on May 24, 2018, and there is no record of
any deliberations at the National Security Council for preparations for an historic meeting
with Kim Jong Un, let alone the possible trade offs in any disarmament discussion. In record
time, Bolton has taken charge of the national security and foreign policies of the Trump
administration, and has quietly built a neoconservative team of staffers at the NSC that will
take hardline positions on all items on the international agenda.
Inside and outside government, Bolton has typically surrounded himself with a like-minded
group of advisers and staffers who share his bellicose views and his bellicose manner that
deprived him of any chance to gain congressional confirmation for a senior position in previous
administrations. Bolton is already consulting with former members of the Pentagon's short-lived
Office of Special Plans (OSP) that was responsible for falsifying intelligence in 2002-2003 to
make the case for war against Iraq. In previous assignments at the United Nations and the
Department of State for the Reagan and Bush administrations, Bolton had a well-earned
reputation for falsifying intelligence on a variety of issues in order to justify hardline
positions and to argue against arms control negotiations.
Any connection to OSP is particularly revealing because of the results of a study by the
Pentagon's Inspector General that determined the office's major mission was to provide the
White House with "intelligence" to make the case for war. According to the IG, David Wurmser
was the creator of a provocative and specious Power Point presentation that linked Iraq and al
Qaeda for which there was no credible evidence. The phony intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass
destruction and possible Iraqi-al Qaeda links were the keys to making the case for war. Wurmser
is now advising Bolton on staffing decisions at the NSC.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo may not have been involved in the decision making to scuttle
the summit, but it is noteworthy that his first selection of an important ambassadorial post
was a senior uniformed officer and not a foreign service professional. One of Pompeo's first
decisions as secretary of state was to select Admiral Harry Harris Jr. as ambassador to South
Korea. It was predicted at the time that Harris would join Bolton and Pompeo in arguing against
the pursuit of a diplomatic bargain with North Korea. Admiral Harris was well known for his
hard line briefings over the years before the Senate Armed Services Committee, and the Obama
administration actually issued a "gag order" on Harris prior to President Barack Obama's
meetings with Xi Jinping.
The emergence of Bolton and the neoconservative staffing at the NSC points to more hardline
decision making that will be influenced by cherry-picked data, unexamined assumptions, and an
unwillingness to hold open debates on foreign policy options. President Trump survived his
first foreign policy crisis in Syria last month because of the effective and moderating role
played by Secretary of Defense James Mattis. Bolton's "success" in halting the diplomatic
minuet between Washington and Pyongyang points to greater instability in the near term with
U.S. allies as well as adversaries. And if Bolton's neoconservative allies dominate the debates
at the NSC, there will be little room for Secretary of Defense Mattis to operate and more room
for Bolton's pursuit of hardline foreign policies.
Pity the poor blogger's lot: there are more interesting papers being published every week
than any essayist, however diligent, can possibly cope with. And there will be more, as the
vast genetic databases give up their secrets. No sooner does one team scoop the others with a
savage novelty than their rivals counter-attack with their own surprising findings. If you are
curious about mankind, it is the best time to be alive. We are likely to learn more about
ourselves in the next few decades than was possible in the last few centuries.
Sex Differences in the Adult Human Brain: Evidence from 5216 UK Biobank Participants
Stuart J Ritchie, Simon R Cox, Xueyi Shen, Michael V Lombardo, Lianne M Reus, Clara Alloza,
Mathew A Harris, Helen L Alderson, Stuart Hunter, Emma Neilson, David C M Liewald, Bonnie
Auyeung, Heather C Whalley, Stephen M Lawrie ,Catharine R Gale, Mark E Bastin, Andrew M
McIntoshIan, J Deary.
Cerebral Cortex, bhy109, https://doi.org/10.1093/cercor/bhy109
Published: 16 May 2018
Sex differences in the human brain are of interest for many reasons: for example, there
are sex differences in the observed prevalence of psychiatric disorders and in some
psychological traits that brain differences might help to explain. We report the largest
single-sample study of structural and functional sex differences in the human brain (2750
female, 2466 male participants; mean age 61.7 years, range 44–77 years). Males had
higher raw volumes, raw surface areas, and white matter fractional anisotropy; females had
higher raw cortical thickness and higher white matter tract complexity. There was
considerable distributional overlap between the sexes. Subregional differences were not fully
attributable to differences in total volume, total surface area, mean cortical thickness, or
height. There was generally greater male variance across the raw structural measures.
Functional connectome organization showed stronger connectivity for males in unimodal
sensorimotor cortices, and stronger connectivity for females in the default mode network.
This large-scale study provides a foundation for attempts to understand the causes and
consequences of sex differences in adult brain structure and function.
There is much to discuss here, but my attention was drawn by two phrases "considerable
distributional overlap" (which in my experience means that one group is pretty different from
another) and "generally greater male variance" (which agrees with most of the observations on
sex differences indicating that men are leptokurtic (more variable), women more platykurtic
(less variable).
Women are more at risk of dementia, depression, schizophrenia and dyslexia. Men are better
than women at mental rotation tasks, and are more physically aggressive; women are more
interested in people than in things, are more neurotic and more agreeable.
One of the most interesting sex differences is intelligence. Here is their introduction to
the topic:
There is more to sex differences than averages: there are physical and psychological
traits that tend to be more variable in males than females. The best-studied human phenotype
in this context has been cognitive ability: almost universally, studies have found that males
show greater variance in this trait (Deary et al. 2007a; Johnson et al. 2008; Lakin 2013;
though see Iliescu et al. 2016). This has also been found for academic achievement test
results (themselves a potential consequence of cognitive differences, which are known to
predict later educational achievement; Deary et al. 2007b; Machin and Pekkarinen 2008; Lehre
et al. 2009a, 2009b), other psychological characteristics such as personality (Borkenau et
al. 2013), and a range of physical traits such as athletic performance (Olds et al. 2006),
and both birth and adult weight (Lehre et al. 2009a). To our knowledge, only two prior
studies have explicitly examined sex differences in the variability of brain structure
(Wierenga et al. 2017; Lange et al. 1997), and no studies have done so in individuals older
than 20 years. Here, we addressed this gap in the literature by testing the "greater male
variability" hypothesis in the adult brain.
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We tested male–female differences (in mean and variance) in overall and subcortical
brain volumes, mapped the magnitude of sex differences across the cortex with multiple
measures (volume, surface area, and cortical thickness), and also examined sex differences in
white matter microstructure derived from DT-MRI and NODDI. We tested the extent to which
these differences were regionally-specific or brain-general, by adjusting them for the total
brain size (or other relevant overall measurement; for instance, adjusting volume differences
for total brain volume and cortical thickness differences for mean cortical thickness), and
examining whether the differences found in the raw analyses were still present. We tested the
extent to which these structural differences (in broad, regional, and white matter measures)
mediated sex variation in scores on two cognitive tests, one tapping a mixture of fluid and
crystallized reasoning skills (skills previously found to be linked to brain volumes;
Pietschnig et al. 2015) and one testing processing speed (previously found to be linked to
white matter microstructural differences; see Penke et al. 2012). At the functional level, we
also examined large-scale organization of functional networks in the brain using
resting-state fMRI functional connectivity data and data-driven network-based analyses.
The study compared 2750 females (mean age = 61.12 years, SD = 7.42, range =
44.64–77.12) and 2466 males (mean age = 62.39 years, SD = 7.56, range =
44.23–76.99). These are extremely large samples, two orders of magnitude larger than the
early studies in the 1980s, and way larger than many of the studies that the Press report so
frequently. Consider them "Foxtrot Oscar" samples.
The first result is startling: male brains are very much bigger, a colossal 1.4 effect size.
92% of men will be above the mean for women. On average men have 117.8 cm3 more brain than
women. All this extra brain must be doing something for men, you might surmise, other than just
helping them perpetually contemplate the relative advantages of the more complicated positions
adopted during sexual intercourse. Perhaps not. Broadly the same effect of male advantage can
be found in all the brain region sub-comparisons. Male brains are both larger, and also vary
more in size. Greater male variability seems a fact of nature. If there were a direct
relationship between brain size and cognitive ability, there would be many, many more bright
men than bright women.
The cognitive test was limited to a 13-item verbal-numerical test to be completed in 2
minutes, which ought to be enough to grade the general population. The mere notion of such a
test will discomfort those citizens who regard their own intellects as more wide-ranging and
multi-faceted than could ever be measured by mere earthly means, and who rank their brainpower
of greater value to Western Civilization in ways that could not possibly be assayed in 120
seconds. Personally, I quail at the thought of having to subject myself to such a harsh
evaluation. I mean, 13 into 120 is, let me see, well, not very long at all to solve each item.
On reflection, 9 seconds to pass each question. Can such people exist?
The test might be a little crude if the purpose is to detect sex differences across the
broad range of different cognitive tasks, and also a bit limited if the volunteers are, as one
might expect of this database, somewhat brighter volunteers interested in contributing to
science. However, these are minor quibbles. All intellects can be evaluated in 2 minutes. I
like it. Here are the details:
Verbal-numerical reasoning. This test (UK Biobank data field 20016) consisted of thirteen
multiple-choice items, six verbal and seven numerical. Participants responded to the items on
a touch-screen computer. One of the verbal items was: "Stop means the same as:
Pause/Close/Cease/Break/Rest/Do not know/Prefer not to answer". One of the numerical items
was: "If sixty is more than half of seventy-five, multiply twenty-three by three. If not
subtract 15 from eighty-five. Is the answer: 68/69/70/71/72/Do not know/Prefer not to
answer". Participants had a two-minute time limit to answer the thirteen questions. The
"prefer not to answer" option was considered as missing data for the purposes of the present
analyses. The scores from the test formed a normal distribution.
Reaction Time. This test (UK Biobank data field 100032), which followed immediately after
the verbal-numerical reasoning test, was modelled on the game of 'snap': participants
responded by pressing a button on a button box as quickly as possible with their dominant
hand whenever the symbols on two 'cards' displayed to them on the computer screen matched.
The test had twelve rounds; the first four rounds were considered 'training' (or practice)
rounds so were not included in the calculation of the final score, and four of the remaining
rounds did not include matching symbols. Thus, the final score was calculated on the basis of
the four rounds with matching symbols (the mean time in ms to press the button across these
four trials was the score variable). We excluded the scores of 8 participants who had
Reaction Times of 1100ms or longer. After this exclusion, the Reaction Times formed an
approximately normal distribution. Note that, for analyses, we reflected the raw scores so
that higher scores meant better performance (this meant that the two cognitive tests
correlated positively with each other).
The choice reaction time task should be a good measure of mental alertness, though 4 out of
8 trials is on the short side. However, there is a case for saying that all reaction time tests
should have only one trial. If the person responds very slowly, in real life he would be dead.
That is what reaction times are for. Here are the results for the two cognitive tests:
The insert above shows: female mean, male mean, t-test, probability, d (effect size), and
finally the Bayes Factor showing the probability there is a sex difference. The full results
for Table 2 are in the paper.
Sure enough, Table 2 shows that the cognitive tests are only an effect size of about 0.2 in
favour of men. Where did all the male brain size advantage go? 0.2 of a standard deviation
works out to 3 IQ points. Nothing much, you may say, considering that the test-retest
reliability of the Wechsler is 4 IQ points, but if this is a true representation of male-female
differences, then we can calculate what it would mean for the male/female balance at the higher
levels of ability. As you may have seen in previous posts, if men are really 3 points brighter
than women, and women's standard deviation is narrower than men, say 14 rather than 15 points,
then this makes a big difference at the higher reaches of intelligence.
Here are the estimates, if one assumes men have an IQ of 102, (sd 15) and women an IQ of 99,
(sd 14).
At IQ 130: 69.8% men
At IQ 145: 80.3% men
The authors correctly point out that the sample, though the biggest collected for scanning,
may not be a perfect representation of the population at large (though I doubt this directly
affects sex differences).
This is a very substantial paper. It shows a massive sex difference in brain size of 1.4 d,
and when one factors in that brain size relates to intelligence at a correlation of about 0.28,
then the predicted intelligence difference will be a large 0.39 d, but the observed difference
is only half that. Paradoxical. One implication is that there are sex-linked differences in
brain structure and dendritic arborization which overcome pure size differences. If so, how is
this balancing act achieved? Why don't all people have the smaller, more craftily wired version
of the human brain, which presumably requires a smaller blood supply. On the other hand, it
might be that the cognitive testing has not been wide enough, and has ignored tasks in which
males have an advantage. By the way, if one sex has an advantage in one skill, this is not an
error of testing, it is a triumph of testing that a real difference has been revealed.
It is possible that, in a rush to ensure that men and women's mental ability scores can be
presented as equal, in general men's stronger subject areas have been under-sampled. Test
producers are under pressure to minimize sexual and racial differences. This may have
suppressed the size of real differences. In defence of any group who think that their
specialist strong points have been ignored, we should set the sampling frame for cognitive
tests as wide as possible. These points do not invalidate the findings of this fine paper on
brains, but they leave open the possibility that there is a small but real male advantage in
intelligence which a broader scope of tests would reveal.
9/11 remains a problem for the legitimacy of the Neocons and the US political elite in
general. But like with JFK assassination they hope to weather the storm. And not without reason.
The power of MSM almost guarantee that.
Notable quotes:
"... So far as the Twin Towers are concerned, their core consisted of 287 steel columns, and steel does not begin to melt until 2,770°F, while fires caused by kerosene can only rise to around 1,700°F. The Twin Towers collapsed at virtually free fall speed, as did WTC 7, which was not hit by an aeroplane, a fact that was not even mentioned by the 9/11 Commission. ..."
"... in the view of a former NIST employee, 'reached a predetermined conclusion by ignoring, dismissing and denying the evidence.' In other words, the official account – and all the more so in the case of Building 7 with 82 steel columns – is a lie. ..."
Creative chaos is an interesting concept by itself. In modern socity persention of event is
moderated by MSM and, especially TV coverage. That create Matrix style soituation, when power
that be can control narrative, no matter how unscientific it is and how many hole it contain.
Somebody clled the USA the "society of illusions" and that nickname reflects this reality.
Review of David Ray Griffin, Bush and Cheney: How They Ruined America and the World
(Olive Branch Press, 2017, 398 pp.)
published in Paradigm Explorer: The Scientific & Medical Network (London,
2018/2)
This brilliant, meticulous and searing analysis is David Ray Griffin's most powerful and
important book about the hegemonic foreign policy ambitions of US
neoconservatives and the way in which 9/11 was used to pursue these Machiavellian ends. This
is a book that should have been written by a mainstream investigative journalist, but David
has done their work for them, which they have signally failed to do by accepting the 9/11
Commission claims and labelling those who questioned these as 'conspiracy theorists', a term
originally devised by the CIA to use against their opponents when the position of plausible
deniability in undercover operations was under threat. The book is widely endorsed, for
instance by Professor Daniel Sheehan, who remarks that it is 'a clear and non-sensationalist
presentation of the historical and scientific facts, by one of our generation's most cogent
thinkers. This book should convince any honest and objective person – with a political
and scientific IQ above room temperature – that we have been systematically lied to
about the events of 9/11 and the American invasions in the Middle East.' Seasoned readers of
this journal will recall that I have reviewed all of David's books on 9/11 – here he
summarises his case in the context of the foreign-policy background, with the first part
devoted to this, and the second to a concise discussion of the shortcomings of official
explanations of 9/11.
The failure to prevent 9/11 attack was in itself a massive intelligence disaster,
and may partly be explained by some of the background elaborated in this book. The aftermath
of 1989 and the fall of the Soviet Union left the US in a unipolar geopolitical position and
without any clear enemy. The war on terror declared in the wake of 9/11 gave rise a new enemy
and justified further increases in military expenditure on 'security' grounds. During the
1990s, neoconservative thinkers had urged the US to consolidate its status as an unchallenged
superpower and, where deemed necessary in terms of its strategic interests, to act
unilaterally to establish a Pax Americana. This injunction was reinforced by the doctrine of
American exceptionalism, only recently reiterated by the incoming Secretary of State, Mike
Pompeo, and also espoused by John Bolton, the newly appointed National Security Adviser. As a
'benign' power, the US has the right to intervene where it sees fit; other countries such as
Russia may be equally unique, but they are not 'exceptional'.
In 1997, William Kristol founded the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) with a
call to shape this new century in a way favourable to American principles and interests. In
September 2000, PNAC published a document called Rebuilding America's Defences where
they advocated the use of US military supremacy to establish an empire including the whole
world – hence 'the next president of the United States must increase military spending
to preserve American geopolitical leadership.' This aim should be understood in the Pentagon
context of achieving Full Spectrum Dominance, a policy already developed in the 1990s.
Chillingly, the document reflected that the process of transformation might be a slow one in
the absence of 'some catastrophic and catalysing event – like a new Pearl Harbour'
– 9/11 was this event and enabled a fast track of neoconservative policies, beginning
with the attack on Afghanistan that had actually been planned many months previously, and the
destructive consequences of which are spelt out in detail. It should be noted that Dick
Cheney has been a leading figure in the neoconservative movement, and it would be more
accurate to describe the Bush – Cheney administration as the Cheney – Bush
administration, at least in the first term.
The chapter on military spending, pre-emptive war and regime change is an eye-opener. The
idea of pre-emptive-preventive war came to be known as the Bush Doctrine, elaborated in a
2002 national security strategy document with the dangerous clause that America can in
self-defence 'act against such emerging threats before they are fully formed' – I will
come back to this below when discussing drones. Challenging regimes hostile to US interests
meant overthrowing them and replacing them, and the 2002 list ominously included Iraq, Iran,
Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia and Sudan. The events of the last 15 years show how dangerous
it is in terms of unintended consequences to sow a wind without reaping a
whirlwind: the emergence of ISIS as a result of the invasion of Iraq is just one example.
This document was written by Philip Zelikow, who would later be named the executive
director of the 9/11 commission.
The next chapter is a detailed analysis of the Iraq war and the propaganda campaign of
lies required to justify it, both in the US and the UK. David refers to meetings by
Sir Richard Dearlove, head of MI6, with members of the Bush administration and CIA director
George Tenet. Dearlove remarked that 'the intelligence and facts are being fixed around the
policy', which was also the case in the UK with the so-called dodgy dossier. Amazingly, a
2008 report by the Centre for Public Integrity enumerates as many as 935 false statements
made by members of the Bush administration in the two years following 9/11. David
itemises a few of these with reference to weapons of mass destruction as well as biological
and chemical weapons. During this time, the Joint Chiefs of Staff produced a much more
cautious assessment, which was set aside. In addition, (p. 61) CIA analysts felt pressured by
Dick Cheney to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration's policy objectives,
which dictated the conclusions their analyses should yield. The consequences of the Iraq war
are well-known and include an estimated 2.3 million Iraqi deaths, 4,500 American
deaths and hundreds of thousands of serious injuries, including 320,000 brain injuries. As to
the economic cost, this had reached $4 trillion by 2014, a devastating opportunity cost in
terms of what the money might have been spent on. It should also be noted that the contract
for rebuilding Iraqi infrastructure went to Halliburton, of which Dick Cheney
is a major shareholder and former chief executive officer.
Space does not permit a detailed discussion of all the global chaos brought about by US
interventions in the Middle East on the basis that it could solve all of its problems
by means of military power. Chaotic collapse was regarded as a form of 'creative destruction'
providing a basis for destabilising a regime and eventually removing the incumbent,
especially in this geopolitically significant area for oil and gas (p. 109). David discusses
Libya, showing how the same kinds of lies were used to bring about regime change there, then
he moves on to Syria, where the intractable disaster is ongoing, as we all know. In addition
to military factors, it may also be a case that a form of weather warfare was used (this is
not suggested in the book) to help create the drought as a key destabilising factor; in
either event, whether deliberate or due to climate change, the drought was significant. In
Syria, out of the pre-war population of 22 million, 11% have been killed or injured, 5
million have fled the country and a further 8 million are internally displaced. In addition,
as we know, this chaos also led to the refugee crisis that precipitated the Brexit vote.
David devotes a separate chapter to drone warfare, posing and responding to
a number of key questions: are drone killings acceptable? Are they de facto assassination? Do
drone strikes rarely kill civilians? Are drone strikes used only when capture is impossible?
Are drone strikes used only for imminent threats? Do drone strikes help defeat terrorism?
Don't drones at least keep American warriors safe? There is no good case to be made for drone
warfare extrajudicial killing in the name of 'self-defence'; sometimes 'signature strikes'
were employed and continued on a large scale during the Obama administration. The
justification is tortuous to say the least where 'an imminent threat of violent attack
does not require the US to have clear evidence that a specific attack on US persons will take
place in the immediate future' (p. 146). This is a 'more flexible' understanding of imminence
which 'defines the term in a way that excludes its only actual meaning' (!).
The chapter on shredding the Constitution makes depressing reading where 'unaccountable
executive power has replaced due process and the checks and balances established by the US
constitution', first embodied in the Patriot Act. David systematically shows how various
amendments to the Constitution have been violated: the first on freedom of speech and
assembly, the fourth on security against unreasonable searches and seizures, and the fifth
relating to deprivation of life, liberty or property without due process of law. In addition,
torture violates the Constitution, and the overall result has been an undoing of
democracy in the name of security – an Orwellian outcome.
After chapters on potential nuclear and ecological holocaust (the latter the subject of
one of David's previous books – Unprecedented ), he moves on to a summary
analysis of the events of 9/11 and its aftermath. Here he condenses the findings of his
previous books to show how numerous miracles, defined as violations of the laws of nature,
were necessary in order to sustain the 9/11 Commission's official explanation. He shows how
the choice of Philip Zelikow as Executive Director of this supposedly impartial and
independent commission was in fact an insider selection leading to a foregone structure and
conclusion and tight control on individual commissioners. As early as March 2003, prior to
the first meeting of the commission, Zelikow had prepared a detailed outline including
chapter headings, subheadings and sub sub-headings. The pre-ordained task was to explain how
the building had been brought down by fire and the impact of the airliners.
So far as the Twin Towers are concerned, their core consisted of 287 steel columns,
and steel does not begin to melt until 2,770°F, while fires caused by kerosene can only
rise to around 1,700°F. The Twin Towers collapsed at virtually free fall speed, as did
WTC 7, which was not hit by an aeroplane, a fact that was not even mentioned by the 9/11
Commission.
The official reports on WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were provided by the National Institute
of Standards and Technology (NIST), which was an agency of the Bush-Cheney administration.
Its reports are more political than scientific as it is a fact of physics that a steel frame
building can only come down essentially in freefall if all the core columns are severed
simultaneously by explosives – in the case of Building 7, the roofline remained
virtually horizontal throughout the sudden collapse. Readers can consult comparative videos
for themselves showing an example of controlled demolition compared with the destruction of
Building 7. In addition, massive sections of steel columns and beams were horizontally
ejected from the Twin Towers up to 650 feet, which is quite inconsistent with the vertical
effects of gravitational collapse. David summarises six miracles required by the official
explanation that, in the view of a former NIST employee, 'reached a predetermined
conclusion by ignoring, dismissing and denying the evidence.' In other words, the official
account – and all the more so in the case of Building 7 with 82 steel columns –
is a lie.
In his conclusion and after further short chapters on the Pentagon attack and Mohamed
Atta, David lists 15 miracles required by the official 9/11 commission explanation. He asks
why mainstream media have not properly examined the evidence, and one significant factor
already mentioned is the fear of being labelled a 'conspiracy theorist', implying credulity,
gullibility and irrationality. In the case of David Ray Griffin, nothing could be further
from the truth: his analysis is thorough and forensic. He explains how the CIA invented this
conspiracy theory tactic in 1964 in the wake of the Warren Report into the Kennedy
assassination. It has become a powerful and intimidating rhetorical device, especially for
journalists who pride themselves on their scepticism and objectivity.
Rather than follow the a priori argument that no government could be evil or
competent enough to cover up 9/11, David urges people to look at the empirical evidence
– and if you, the reader, are feeling similarly uncomfortable, I encourage you to read
this book and his other ones for yourself and to understand the logic of false flag
operations that can be attributed to opponents by means of a suitable propaganda campaign. So
far as 9/11 is concerned, there is a large body of informed and expert professional opinion
across various disciplines that has studied the evidence and concluded that the official
account is false – see also the 9/11 Consensus Panel, the results of which was soon be
published in 9/11 Unmasked: A Six-Year Investigation by an International Review Panel
. This book is a highly significant contribution to exposing the Big Lie of 9/11 and the
neoconservative foreign policy background, and is as such a passionate plea for mainstream
media exposure to put a stop to further Machiavellian ambitions for full spectrum dominance
of the world.
"... C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing (USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org . ..."
One of the most complicated and frustrating aspects of operating a global capitalist empire
is maintaining the fiction that it doesn't exist. Virtually every action you take has to be
carefully recontextualized or otherwise spun for public consumption. Every time you want to
bomb or invade some country to further your interests, you have to mount a whole PR campaign.
You can't even appoint a sadistic torture freak to run your own coup-fomenting agency, or shoot
a few thousand unarmed people you've imprisoned in a de facto ghetto, without having to do a
big song and dance about "defending democracy" and "democratic values."
Naked despotism is so much simpler, not to mention more emotionally gratifying. Ruling an
empire as a godlike dictator means never having to say you're sorry. You can torture and kill
anyone you want, and conquer and exploit whichever countries you want, without having to
explain yourself to anyone. Also, you get to have your humongous likeness muraled onto the
walls of buildings, make people swear allegiance to you, and all that other cool dictator
stuff.
Global capitalists do not have this luxury. Generating the simulation of democracy that most
Western consumers desperately need in order to be able to pretend to believe that they are not
just smoothly-functioning cogs in the machinery of a murderous global empire managed by a class
of obscenely wealthy and powerful international elites to whom their lives mean exactly
nothing, although extremely expensive and time-consuming, is essential to maintaining their
monopoly on power. Having conditioned most Westerners into believing they are "free," and not
just glorified peasants with gadgets, the global capitalist ruling classes have no choice but
to keep up this fiction. Without it, their empire would fall apart at the seams.
This is the devil's bargain modern capitalism made back in the 18th Century. In order to
wrest power from the feudal aristocracies that had dominated the West throughout the Middle
Ages, the bourgeoisie needed to sell the concept of "democracy" to the unwashed masses, who
they needed both to staff their factories and, in some cases, to fight revolutionary wars, or
depose and publicly guillotine monarchs. All that gobbledegook about taxes, tariffs, and the
unwieldy structure of the feudal system was not the easiest sell to the peasantry. "Liberty"
and "equality" went over much better. So "democracy" became their rallying cry, and,
eventually, the official narrative of capitalism. The global capitalist ruling classes have
been stuck with "democracy" ever since, or, more accurately, with the simulation of
democracy.
The purpose of this simulation of democracy is not to generate fake democracy and pass it
off as real democracy. Its purpose is to generate the concept of democracy , the only
form in which democracy exists. It does this by casting a magic spell (which I'll do my best to
demystify in a moment) that deceives us into perceiving the capitalist marketplace we
Westerners inhabit, not as a market, but as a society. An essentially democratic society. Not a
fully fledged democratic society, but a society progressing toward "democracy" which it is, and
simultaneously isn't.
Obviously, life under global capitalism is more democratic than under feudal despotism, not
to mention more comfortable and entertaining. Capitalism isn't "evil" or "bad." It's a machine.
Its fundamental function is to eliminate any and all despotic values and replace them with a
single value, i.e., exchange value, determined by the market. This despotic-value-decoding
machine is what freed us from the tyranny of kings and priests, which it did by subjecting us
to the tyranny of capitalists and the meaningless value of the so-called free market, wherein
everything is just another commodity toothpaste, cell phones, healthcare, food, education,
cosmetics, et cetera. Despite that, only an idiot would argue that capitalism is not preferable
to despotism, or that it hasn't increased our measure of freedom. So, yes, we have evolved
toward democracy, if we're comparing modern capitalism to medieval feudalism.
The problem is that capitalism is never going to lead to actual democracy (i.e., government
by and for the people). This is never going to happen. In fact, capitalism has already reached
the limits of the freedom it can safely offer us. This freedom grants us the ability to make an
ever-expanding variety of choices none of which have much to do with democracy. For example,
Western consumers are free to work for whatever corporation they want, and to buy whatever
products they want, and to assume as much debt as the market will allow to purchase a home
wherever they want, and to worship whichever gods they want (as long as they conform their
behavior to the values of capitalism and not their religion), and men can transform themselves
into women, and white people can deem themselves African Americans, or Native Americans, or
whatever they want, and anyone can mock or insult the President or the Queen of England on
Facebook and Twitter, none of which freedoms were even imaginable, much less possible, under
feudal despotism.
But this is as far as our "freedom" goes. The global capitalist ruling classes are never
going to allow us to govern ourselves, not in any meaningful way. In fact, since the mid-1970s,
they've been systematically dismantling the framework of social democracy throughout the West,
and otherwise relentlessly privatizing everything. They've been doing this more slowly in
Europe, where social democracy is more entrenched, but, make no mistake, American "society" is
the model for our dystopian future. The ruling classes and their debt-enslaved servants,
protected from the desperate masses by squads of hyper-militarized police, medicated in their
sanitized enclaves, watching Westworld on Amazon Prime as their shares in private
prisons rise and the forces of democracy defend their freedom by slaughtering men, women, and
children in some faraway country they can't find on a map, and would never visit on vacation
anyway this is where the USA already is, and where the rest of the West is headed.
Which is why it is absolutely crucial to maintain the simulation of democracy, and the
fiction that we're still living in a world where major geopolitical events are determined by
sovereign nations and their leaders, rather than by global corporations and a class of
supranational elites whose primary allegiance is to global capitalism, rather than to any
specific nation, much less to the actual people who live there. The global capitalist ruling
classes need the masses in the West to believe that they live in the United States of America,
the United Kingdom, Germany, France, and so on, and not in a global marketplace. Because, if
it's all one global marketplace, with one big global labor force (which global corporations can
exploit with impunity), and if it's one big global financial system (where the economies of
supposed adversaries like China and the United States, or the European Union and Russia, are
almost totally interdependent), then there is no United States of America, no United Kingdom,
no France, no Germany or not as we're conditioned to perceive them. There is only the global
capitalist empire, divided into "national" market territories, each performing slightly
different administrative functions within the empire and those territories that have not yet
surrendered their sovereignty and been absorbed into it. I think you know which those
territories are.
But getting back to the simulation of democracy (the purpose of which is to prevent us from
perceiving the world as I just suggested above), how that works is, we are all conditioned to
believe we are living in these imperfect democracies, which are inexorably evolving toward
"real" democracy but just haven't managed to get there quite yet. "Real" being the key word
here, because there is no such thing as real democracy. There never has been, except among
relatively small and homogenous groups of people. Like Baudrillard's Disneyland, "Western
democracy" is presented to us as "imperfect" or "unfinished" (in other words, as a replica of
"real democracy") in order to convince us that there exists such a thing as "real democracy,"
which we will achieve someday.
This is how simulations work. The replica does not exist to deceive us into believing it is
the "real" thing. It exists to convince us that there is a "real" thing . In essence, it
invokes the "real" thing by pretending to be a copy of it. Just as the images of God in church
invoke the "god" of which they are copies (if only in the minds of the faithful), our imperfect
replica of democracy invokes the concept of "real democracy" (which does not exist, and has
never existed, beyond the level of tribes and bands).
This is, of course, ceremonial magic but then so is everything else, really. Take out a
twenty dollar bill, or a twenty Euro note, or your driver's license. They are utterly
valueless, except as symbols, but no less powerful for being just symbols. Or look at some
supposedly solid object under an electron microscope. Try this with a tablespoon. As that bald
kid in The Matrix put it, you will "realize that there is no spoon" or, rather, that
there is only the spoon we've created by believing that there is a spoon.
Look, I don't mean to get all spooky. What that kid (among various others throughout
history) was trying to get us to understand is that we create reality, collectively, with
symbols or we allow reality to be created for us. Our collective reality is also our religion,
in that we live our lives and raise our children according to its precepts and values,
regardless of whatever other rituals we may or may not engage in on the weekend. Western
consumers, no matter whether nominally Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, or of any other
faith, live their lives and raise their children according to the values and rules of
capitalism. Capitalism is our religion. Like every religion, it has a cosmology.
In the cosmology of global capitalism, "democracy" is capitalist heaven. We hear it preached
about throughout our lives, we're surrounded by graven images of it, but we don't get to see it
until we're dead. Attempting to storm its pearly gates, or to create the Kingdom of Democracy
on Earth, is heresy, and is punishable by death. Denying its existence is blasphemy, for which
the punishment is excommunication, and consignment to the City of Dis, where the lost souls
shout back and forth at each other across the lower depths of the Internet, their infernal
voices unheard by the faithful but, hey, don't take the word of an apostate like me. Go ahead,
try it, and see what happens.
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in
Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing
(USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is
published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org .
Really good, amusing article.
Our replica of democracy is not to deceive us, but to convince us that there really IS
an(unattainable) democracy. The promised land is always just beyond the horizon
"It does this by casting a magic spell that deceives us into perceiving the capitalist
marketplace we Westerners inhabit, not as a market, but as a society."
Yes. Consumer capitalism requires illusion and MK-ULTRA programs to function.
"We create reality, collectively, with symbols "
And those symbols, often repurposed from earlier iterations like the swastika, stem from
ancient sources. Maybe the structure of our reality was designed years ago.
"This is, of course, ceremonial magic but then so is everything else, really."
Yep. The narrow-focused rationalists who have degraded science into a religion will never
accept that there is a sliver of magic and sorcery, originating from Kabbalistic practices,
that operate as a higher level science, the mechanics of which non-initiates can't
quantify.
I agree with much of what this columnist wrote. However this entire globalist criminal
enterprise is rapidly crumbling. This is shown in the rise of patriotic/loyalist and Marxist
parties in Europe and the Far Right and Far Left in the U.S. The globalist elite 0.001%
empire of the banksters, crapitalists and fingerciers and their lackeys, knaves and varlets,
along with their political prostitute puppets, is built on sand. These worthless cretins have
loaded down every nation on earth, and especially in the West, with massive, crushing debt.
Ditto for individuals and businesses. It is not sustainable. In addition they have off shored
much of Western industry into Third World nations and flooded Western nations with Third
World proles to hold down wages and depress living conditions. Reaction among the native
Whites is building stronger by the day. At some point this volcano is going to blow. When it
does all bets are off as to how much destruction will happen.
At this point the super rich and their banks and trans-national corporations can either
gradually give way to democratic change and re-industrialize the West, discount all these
debts, and stop this Third World invasion and begin swift repatriation of these interlopers
and save much of their wealth and power or they will soon face armed revolution and
civil/class/racial war in the streets. These worthless elites have fouled their own nests
since they have left virtually no Western nation untouched by these triple evils of debt,
immigration and de-industrialization. They either never learned the lessons of the French and
Russian revolutions or believe it could not happen in the 21st Century to them. Either way it
makes no difference. Globalism is crumbling and going the way of other evil isms: Fascism,
Communism, Nazism, Imperialism, Colonialism, etc. Its days are numbered and the writing is on
the wall. Meanwhile those nations not controlled by the Western White Collar Mafia, namely
Russia and China, along with Iran and a few other Asian and Middle Eastern nations, are
building up their economies and militaries and increasingly challenging the Western tyrants.
We are definitely in for troubled times ahead. Always remember: Those who make peaceful
change impossible, make violent change inevitable. Globalism has had its evil day and its
black sun is setting. The only questions now are will it go peacefully and quietly or loudly
and violently and what will replace it. I hope and pray something good and true.A new world
order built that that is God and Christ and not man based with peace, prosperity, and justice
for all in a natural order of things.
Free movement of capital, in Europe since 1997, took away power from politicians.
The German Lafontaine made it clear.
He stated that when in Basel a German spoke to the bankers assembled there, blaming them,
they clapped their hands.
One sees it in the terminology used, what in the good old days was called protectionism, a
word suggesting something positive, now is trade war, definitely something bad.
It for me is the same as with privatisation of universal services, water, electricity, etc.,
neither privatising anything is good, also a state economy is not good, as the USSR made
clear.
In the good old days in W European countries we had mixed exonomies, commercial enterprises
for cars and jeans, state enterprise for electricity and public transport.
In my opinion a mixed world economy also is the best option, this means regulation of capital
movement, to mention one thing.
A little snapshot to illustrate the point. Standing in the passport control line at Newark
Airport -- interminably, because of about 24 stations for checking people back in to the
motherland, maybe five were manned. This was in mid-afternoon on a weekday, a time when many
international flights were arriving. The wait was about an hour and a half.
While waiting, you get a superb view through the window of the Manhattan skyline, and
might have occasion to think about all the swells in the financial sector whose ever-growing
prosperity has sucked money not only out of the real economy of goods and services, but out
of government as well, a point Michael Hudson often makes. E.g., cap those property taxes in
California, but drive housing prices in California and interest rates sky high to transfer
wealth out of the hands of home owners and governments, and into finance capital.
You can work yourself up into a pretty good lather thinking about this while you wait your
turn at an under-funded passport control station.
I would recommend this book to unz readers. I read it years ago and its basic premise becomes
more observably true every year .and pertains to the US as well, something Chu didn't
mention.
World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global
Instability
By Amy Chua
Category: World Politics | Economics | Management
"Chua shows how in non-Western countries around the globe, free markets have concentrated
starkly disproportionate wealth in the hands of a resented ethnic minority. These
"market-dominant minorities" – Chinese in Southeast Asia, Croatians in the former
Yugoslavia, whites in Latin America and South Africa, Indians in East Africa, Lebanese in
West Africa, Jews in post-communist Russia – become objects of violent hatred. At the same time, democracy empowers the impoverished majority, unleashing ethnic
demagoguery, confiscation, and sometimes genocidal revenge."
So maybe revolutions will be the new way of managing the world,
An ex furniture salesman, now the Prime Minister of Israel would not agree. He thinks
history has ended. Jerusalem is soon to be or already is the capital of the globalist world.
Hate speech laws replace the sanctity of the Monarchs and Churches with the sanctity of
Israel and identity politics. His lackeys have even taken away the freedom to shop via the
criminalisation of BDS. Talpiot program has turned everything into a video game. He is either
a genius or a complete fool. But I hope you are right and he is wrong. Another point.
Democracy real and simulated only became fashionable a hundred years ago.
That's the first I've heard of "progressing towards democracy" as a major feature of the
modern Western worldview (a la USSR progressing towards communism, I suppose). No, I've
encountered such ideas before among pundits, but I don't think most people in America, say,
believe that they currently don't live in a democracy but will later live in a "true"
democracy. That seems like a rather exotic notion outside of very narrow intellectual
circles.
Also, "as long as they conform their behavior to the values of capitalism and not their
religion". But people are free to conform their behaviour to the values of their religion to
a large extent. They're not free to violate the laws of what you'd call capitalist society.
But that is not the same as being forced to conform to its values.
Which is why it is absolutely crucial to maintain the simulation of democracy, and the
fiction that we're still living in a world where major geopolitical events are determined
by sovereign nations and their leaders, rather than by global corporations and a class of
supranational elites whose primary allegiance is to global capitalism, rather than to any
specific nation, much less to the actual people who live there.
But it can go wrong. The simulation was supposed to make Hillary Clinton President –
but, in the event, it veered over to real Democracy and produced Trump.
Equally the Brexit vote was planned to fail – but that also turned in a real
Democratic result with a majority for Brexit.
Simulated Democracy is a difficult process and it's probably due for more failures given
the difficulty of controlling the modern flow of information.
I suppose we are all going to spend the rest of our lives listening to bitter millenials rant
about the evils of capitalism. After all, they could move out of their parent's basement if
the government would force the banks to forgive all their student loans.
It should be obvious by now that all forms of government eventually morph into what we see
all around us today. But let's not confuse free market capitalism (which has never existed)
with the aristocratic fascisms that we call "Communism" or "Democracy."
The only way to really solve the problem of government is make government irrelevant.
Well, CJ, If I were your political science professor, I'd fail your sorry ass for 'communist
jargon' and 'Marxist jingoism' maybe that works fine if you're into looking for strokes when
singing to the choir but it won't build alliances that accomplish anything. But maybe that's
not your point, and the substance of your butt-hurt whining is about "I'm CJ Hopkins!" kinda
like "I'm Rick James!"
Look dude, if you want to get down and dirty with your enemies, hit below the belt, and do
it like this:
The worlds elites have us mind controlled and financially controlled via the Zionist Fed that
creates money out of thin air and then loans this money to our gov and we goyim and charge
interest on this ether created money and there in lies the control for by their control over
the money they control every thing.
In addition the Zionists fastened the IRS on we goyims and this IRS is a off shoot of the
FED and so our money is sent to the Zionist bankers who own the FED to make sure we pay for
the wars that the Zionists have arranged for we Americans and so this is a trap that has been
laid by the central bankers which insures their dominance for ever and ever.
This system of control has been in existence since 1913 when the zionist bankers fastened
the FED and the IRS on to the American people and the author of this article is exactly
right, we are in a financial prison a prison without bars but a prison none the less.
In regards to voting as Stalin said ie it is not who votes that counts but who counts the
votes.
These worthless cretins have loaded down every nation on earth, and especially in the
West, with massive, crushing debt. Ditto for individuals and businesses. It is not
sustainable.
Any given iteration of the capitalism model is unsustainable by its very nature, of
course. Any capitalist instantiation is self-exhausting, as capitalism eventually transfers
all wealth (or some very large fraction) to the wealthy. ALL. At that point, that instance
collapses at some rate determined by its state of monetization.
But not all wealth evaporates. After a financial collapse, a new zero-point establishes at
or near "true value". The capitalism model reasserts, and continues. It may be inherent to
the nature of Man.
'Democracy' is a scam that privatizes power, while socializing responsibility.
Reminds me of Oswald Spengler, though he is better read about than read, IMHO. From
wikipedia: "Spengler asserts that democracy is simply the political weapon of money, and the
media are the means through which money operates a democratic political system."
But one minor quibble: yes, for now, in the West, fake democracy is certainly better than
old-style feudalism. But it doesn't have to be, and it doesn't have to stay that way. In many
nominally capitalist and 'democratic' countries – like India, Bangladesh, etc. –
half the population is chronically malnourished, the physical standard of living well below
that of late medieval europe (!). Now that communism has been vanquished, capitalism has no
need of a bargain of power for a decent standard of living, and the rich are moving towards
dragging the entire world towards the Indian model of cheap-labor serfdom. Yes it can happen
here.
Citizens United isn't helping, brought to you by the corrupt Supreme Court. They're starting
to push putting Ted Cruz in SCOTUS, that would be a huge mistake.
"Democracy" is a sham, the candidates are carefully pre-selected and promoted by the
corrupt media, if that fails, the unelected delegates and super delegates can always void
your vote.
This is why we only get Mitt Romneys, Clintons, Bushes, the same ol dirtbags out of
millions of people.
Americans clearly want the homicidal wars to end, are the wars/occupations ending?
More Americans clearly are turning away from supporting Israel, does it matter?
Most Americans want mass immigration and illegal immigration stopped, is it stopping?
There is a petition to End the Federal Reserve scam, do any of the petitions go anywhere?
Go sign it, lets find out .
The Mexican maid is the answer to our collective misery. What do I mean? Well! The white boys
have given up on rebelling against the Empire (1% + 10% Jews and Whites with a small
sprinkling of non-white goys) and da coloreds (Indians and Chinese) are too wrapped up in
trying to prove their worth to the lost crackas while the niggas (Blacks et al) are simply
too stupid to understand, let alone do anything about improving their lot. Alas, fear not!
The unwelcome army of latinas from Central America, employed as caretakers will prove their
worth by simply poisoning the whole perfidious lot, slowly. So, welcome to America,
Guadalupe!
The suffocating hold that propaganda has on an uncritical public must rank as an historic
coup for the ages. It is the modern version of the allegory of the cave. Simpletons are
willing to die for their puppeteers in wars that serve no other purpose than to enrich their
owners. But die for their masters they will. Yet there is a glaring contradiction in foreign
wars and America's favorite pastime, regime change. The chances of "real" democracy, for
instance, taking root in Saudi Arabia, the Gulf Emirates, Egypt are virtually non-existent.
Worse still, they are simply not allowed. And any other countries that steer an independent
course from American hegemony will suffer consequences -- regime change, economic sanctions
or direct military action. Yet it is the public sold on its exceptionalism, living in a
"real" democracy (confused with rampant consumerism and hedonism) that has so utterly failed
to see -- and act, on these contradictions. Although the notion of "inching" toward "real"
democracy may serve to pacify the public, with the ever growing militarization of the deep
police state, true democracy will simply not be allowed to flourish. It is the only credible
threat to rampant capitalism. What is significant is that the lumpen proletariat firmly
believe that they live in a democracy. So change is rendered redundant in such a scenario.
Best expression of capitalism, religion, democracy as a Weltanschauung.
To fuse the totalitarian, univeral concept that paires so well to 98% of the world
population we suggest consumerism.
Do not take for granted that our de facto global elites, and the mercenary middle-classes
have a clear understandig where they are heading. There is cognitive dissonance in idea,
method and projection of their in-group opportunism. Ethics being nothing more then superior
opportunism. Smart, but ailing and failing a religion. In fact the theory proves the
cognitive capacity of the authors.
The ongoing debunking of the sacred yet impossible '6M Jews' is what is really driving so
called "hate speech laws". What your told is merely the pretext.
Below is where free speech on the impossible 'holocaust' storyline is illegal, violators
go to prison for Thought Crimes.
An obvious admission that the storyline doesn't stand up to scientific, logical, &
rational scrutiny.
And coming to your neighborhood.
The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived.
That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist,
& privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that
denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from
scrutiny.
This is an elegant fleshing out of fashionable despair. Yes, self-rule is a myth. What does
Hopkins recommend to replace it with? Is the aspiration of a democratic republic the problem,
or is it money, media, and the subversion of power?
As flawed as our belief in democracy is, I haven't heard the better alternative. Just as
some say we must go to Mars because we are destroying earth, I think we should take care of
this earth as repairing and caring for it might be within our means. Instead of throwing
democracy out, we should try and make it work.
For example, been reading about the rise of antibiotic resistant germs and industrial
farming. The problem was long known, but there was no political will to do anything about it
because the industry could lobby and also control regulators. In theory, the government
worked for the greater good of all the people, but in practice it auctions us all to special
interest.
Capitalists defend the current system by saying it's not really capitalism. Well, whatever
it is, it came about because democracy was not actual but rather an ongoing auction of
national interest to special interest.
It's a good article and makes a good case, but you will have to wait just a bit longer
until us believers die off as you will not pry this democracy, our heritage and our best
chance, from my cold hands.
similar experience coming through Atlanta.
Want to create jobs? Coulda created 50 there. At least. And prevented missed flight
connections. Obama time.
I shall proudly call myself an idiot then, as I believe capitalism and democracy are both
bad.
The only system capable of inspiring passion and loyalty is some form of feudalism –
personal loyalty to a lord is a beautiful thing, noblesse oblige a beautiful thing, sacred
kingship is a beautiful thing, the tradition of beautiful craftsmanship that arises when
economic considerations are not uppermost is a beautiful thing, the standards of excellence
that are natural to a system that recognizes hierarchy and inequality is a beautiful
thing.
I also think personal freedom, and tolerance for eccentricity is far greater when the
social system is firmly grounded. In a democracy where nothing is secure conformity of
opinion and personality become urgent – to maintain even minimum stability.
Japan has retained elements of feudalism to this day yet is economically far more
egalitarian than America – because when economics is the sole standard of value, the
ambitious will gather all wealth into their hands.
Seeing the Japanese bow to each other – such a beautiful gesture.
Yeah, I suppose I could have half tried but the self-righteous indignation (tone) puts me
off. It's like Tom Englehardt, get people all tied up in some hopeless, helpless outrage that
accomplishes precisely nothing, no solutions, no pointing to a direction that might get
something done. In any case CJ is in Berlin but I bet he wouldn't give a New York second's
thought to risking his butt and work to put the German politicians nuts in a vise, but Hey!
you never know, here's his chance, he can promote this:
Of my five years exile in Germany, two of those years were in Berlin and I can assure you
the German political animal is an authentic coward, and Gregor Gysi of Die Linke is no
exception, he'd go after CJ before he'd go after the NATO war criminals is my best bet. Maybe
CJ has the balls to risk it?
Marxist twaddle about "democracy", lol. As if the founders didn't warn us so strenuously
about the tyranny of the majority.
Our government was formed not so that we could vote on what I am allowed to eat, but so
that others would have no say in it.
The centralization of power and conformity across previously sovereign states now
prohibits people from voting with their feet. The globalists are the next extension of the
same tyranny.
We don't have limited governments and free markets. We have big brother government and a
captured regulatory apparatus ensuring only large corporations can survive. Regulatory law is
nowhere in the constitution and they dictate over subjects also not in the constitution.
I knew it was over when the US electorate was swooned over Iraqis having purple fingers
voting "secret ballots". The candidates names were secret. But all you need to tell the
sheeple is that they voted.
This piece is typical Marxist sleight of hand. To have a government of the people, by the
people, and for the people, you limit what the government can do. Then you have liberty.
Self-rule.
Mr. Hopkins' article is an effective, accurate description of why and how things have
declined into a sort of soft fascism during the last 40 years or so in particular.
Democracy can easily be done on the individual level. There are plenty of resources for this.
I am not my brother's keeper anyway. don't tell me there is no democracy – just people
who want others to give it to them. Go all Thoreau on the world. Go off the grid, or Alaska,
or an island somewhere. Democracy is not for pansies.
no solutions, no pointing to a direction that might get something done
Preceding "solution" is description, and descriptive explanation. The article is not
intended as a set of solutions. It is a description and explanation.
Excellent article with much needed humor. We no longer have a word for an economic system
that supports human life. Hunting and gathering was early agriculture. Moving some rocks and
dirt out of the way to get some obsidian was mining. Knocking rocks against the obsidian was
early manufacturing. The excess from farms, mines and factories is what WAS called capital.
We are supposed to believe that a farmer can't plant a seed without a loan! We are in the
last stages of financialism. Since the word capitalism is useless how about "real stuffism"?
I'm a physical scientist and I can guarantee that math and the physical world always ends
financialism.
That line got me to laughing a lot harder than the rest of your bullshit, so I had to stop
reading. Your comments are now relegated to the "Duuuuuuuhhhhhh .MARXISM!!!" bin.
You could open up the scope of this post's valid point and say that it's not just democracy
that's simulated here. Rights and rule of law are simulated too. Democracy, fetishized though
it is, in degenerate ritual form, is a very small part of rights and rule of law
(specifically, ICCPR Article 25, one article of one of nine core human rights instruments or
about 100 total instruments in world-standard customary and conventional international law.
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/UniversalHumanRightsInstruments.aspx
)
This exchange is a really good catch. Latching on to the term deep state allows CIA to bat
away a puffball question that avoids the real question. Their scripted answer to the scripted
easy question: employees 'aimed at' the president's objectives and Amerca's objectives. This
is clever first of all because it says objectives and not orders. It's a weaker formulation
that the Pike-Committee era line, CIA works for the president. CIA is trying to evade the US
commitment to command responsibility in the Geneva Conventions and the Convention Against
Torture. Secondly, the DCI purports to interpret the president's objectives and proclaim
America's objectives. Used to be State or NSC did that, subject to presidential directives or
decision documents. Pompeo says CIA works for him. We're at the point Frank Zappa told us to
expect: CIA's removing the stage set so we're sitting looking at the brick wall. Pompeo's
telling you that CIA's in charge.
The hard question is: Does CIA have impunity in municipal law? The answer is yes, of
course it does. It's there in black and white in the Central Intelligence Agency Act, the
Houston memo, the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the operational files exemption,
and the political questions doctrine. If the DCI had no impunity the new DCI would be in
prison. CIA is obligated to prosecute or extradite its torturers and murderers. Na ga happen.
CIA has the arbitrary life-and-death power of a totalitarian state. CIA is beyond criminal.
Its arbitrary suspension of non-derogable rights and jus cogens says, Law? Fuck law.
I agree that the US is the ultimate expression of materialism.
The original Pilgrim Fathers were looking for religious freedom, but later waves of
immigrants came for economic opportunity, and the US was the first place that "Citizens"
morphed into "Consumers".
Congressmen are bought and sold, and they're probably OK with that, along the lines that
their vote has value, and they'll support whoever bids the highest (which isn't the electors
back home).
Like AaronB says, the US (and West in general) has no spiritual foundation, and is just a
cynical game of exploitation and corruption pretending to be "Democratic" . Real Democracy
does exist, but it's not something that Americans would want to be involved with – it
requires a high level of personal commitment and responsibility (probably obligatory),
regular local public meetings, investment in studying issues, and the primacy of local
decision making and voting over Federal power ( i.e. power residing at the lowest level
possible – which in the US would be the County and State). In other words it's hard and
time consuming work.
To take a parallel, the late Roman Empire was also a sink of absolute corruption and self
interest that couldn't defend its frontiers and finally collapsed, first socially, then
economically.
The spiritual Phoenix that rose out of its ashes was Christianity, with the barbarian
invaders converting and building Christendom in Europe (Rome) and also in the Middle East
(Byzantium). The early Christian communities in the Late Roman Empire were heavily persecuted
but still recognized for their high level of morality, work ethic and "respectability", and
in its last days (too late), the Empire actually adopted to Christianity through the
conversion of Constantine.
It should be obvious by now that all forms of government eventually morph into what we
see all around us today. But let's not confuse free market capitalism (which has never
existed) with the aristocratic fascisms that we call "Communism" or "Democracy."
You are on the right path, good observations.
Thinking people are aware of the fact that Moderns have permission not freedom.
What a surprise another commie writer on economic issues on Unz! These economic pos articles
resemble what you read in the NY times. Sheesh.
"Western consumers are free to buy whatever products they want"
Pure crap. Depending on the state you live in, think for a moment of all the restrictions,
taxes and permission you must go through to own a car, buy gass, freon, herbicide. Pharmacy
products, illegal drugs guns etc. A list a mile long. Anyone who describes the USA as a free
market is plain wrong and has no idea about the problems we face.
Liberty and the free market are not part of the problem. They are part of the
solution.
Switzerland, Singapore, and old Hong Kong to name a few examples are some of the
wealthiest in the world because of low to no taxes and max economic freedom. Two of the three
were crushed by ww2. Came back stronger than ever in 40 yrs or so.
You only discuss democracy as some monolithic idea, with some idealised notion that 'real'
democracy can only be tribal or small scale. This is not true.
Representative democracy = evolutionary autocracy and the right to shout. Laws and
regulations, being made by representatives – and only representatives – remain
purely autocratic in their creation and destruction.
Direct democracy – those tribes. Doesn't work for a society that has a huge
population and needs a 'directing mind' as Aurelius likened the individuals' equivalent.
Semi-direct democracy – a combination of the power to create or strike law by both
representatives (elected or selected), and the electorate. Switzerland has it (to a degree
because of its media, just check the June 10th banking referendum propaganda machine), China
approximates it because it polls its population on every level, decision and preference.
At the very least, the electorate should have power to strike laws made by representatives
and rescind previously struck laws by representatives. This is only fair – people
should have a process for declaring directly what laws they want to abide by. Representatives
may not like it, but society is society, it should be able to make these choices, for good or
bad.
Representative democracy – democracy in the spirit of the law, and autocracy in the
letter of the law – is for the most part an autocracy, with a progressive dumbing down,
frustration, and marginalisation of the electorate due to their practical lack of true power
to change society.
Then there's the question of education and media, as you need a smart and well informed
public with semi-direct much more than with representative. And preferably constitutionally
enforced armed military neutrality, as herd behaviour often tends to violence.
Finally – revolutionary democracy: revolts against systems can often be democratic,
if bloody, so build an effective system that considers the opinions and worries of the
masses.
Three sentences and I was done; and a play wright living in Berlin. Berrrrlin Dude, lets do
some history, Socialism sucks. But I do agree that my vote has been diluted to zero, by
design.
One of the most complicated and frustrating aspects of operating a global capitalist empire
is maintaining the fiction that it doesn't exist. Virtually every action you take has to be
carefully recontextualized or otherwise spun for public consumption. Every time you want to
bomb or invade some country to further your interests, you have to mount a whole PR campaign.
You can't even appoint a sadistic torture freak to run your own coup-fomenting agency, or shoot
a few thousand unarmed people you've imprisoned in a de facto ghetto, without having to do a
big song and dance about "defending democracy" and "democratic values."
Naked despotism is so much simpler, not to mention more emotionally gratifying. Ruling an
empire as a godlike dictator means never having to say you're sorry. You can torture and kill
anyone you want, and conquer and exploit whichever countries you want, without having to
explain yourself to anyone. Also, you get to have your humongous likeness muraled onto the
walls of buildings, make people swear allegiance to you, and all that other cool dictator
stuff.
Global capitalists do not have this luxury. Generating the simulation of democracy that most
Western consumers desperately need in order to be able to pretend to believe that they are not
just smoothly-functioning cogs in the machinery of a murderous global empire managed by a class
of obscenely wealthy and powerful international elites to whom their lives mean exactly
nothing, although extremely expensive and time-consuming, is essential to maintaining their
monopoly on power. Having conditioned most Westerners into believing they are "free," and not
just glorified peasants with gadgets, the global capitalist ruling classes have no choice but
to keep up this fiction. Without it, their empire would fall apart at the seams.
... ... ...
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in
Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing
(USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is
published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org .
The NYT thinks it's a nothing-burger until someone proves Halper was spying? Right, it wasn't
spying; it was an insurance policy. Just ask Strozk and whomever else was meeting over that
topic.
Didn't they all decide they needed an insurance policy when it looked like Clinton might
not win? Hadn't they already completely screwed the pooch covering up for her?
Early in her candidacy, the issue of the private server for government business was
already out there. They–media and law enforcement–let it ride.
What extraordinary treatment she got! In the end it was immunity and destroyed evidence,
party favors all around. Then, she lost. Oops?
The DNC didn't have to provide their server as evidence. Congress's completely odd choice
of IT services went down the rabbit hole. The Clinton Foundation was never investigated as
political slush funds are SOP. There is plenty of evidence that the State's power is being
abused. This can't stand. If this is all accepted and passed or forgotten with the next
financial crisis and/or war, our country is truly gone.
And I agree with Ma Laoshi that twitting is venting, not fighting back. Until these crimes
against the country are addressed with actions taken in public, not behind closed doors and
redacted into oblivion, I have no confidence thatTrump will be more than a speed bump for the
Deep State.
There is no question that Trump of over his head and folded early on, adopting the deep state
foreign policy in even more militant incarnation the under Obama.
All those moves about "Russiagate" now is an empty sound or a cat fight of the faction of the
US elite for contracts and sinecures in government.
Notable quotes:
"... Since being inaugurated, orange clown has reversed himself on the pre-election intimations and campaign promises that apparently got him elected. Instead of improving relations with Russia, he's made everything worse; he never misses a chance to provoke Russia. Instead of pulling out of Afghanistan, he's escalating that pointless war. He's increased the illegal, immoral and unconstitutional U.S. military occupation of Syria. He's escalating the genocidal war against Yemen. He's arming the corrupt puppet government in Kiev. He's already slaughtered more people with drone strikes than Obama did in eight years. He's surrounded himself with bloodthirsty psychopaths. He's trying to overthrow the Maduro government in Venezuela. He puts Israel first and America second (or lower) on the list. He wants more military spending. He seems to want a bigger, more powerful more and aggressive NATO, not the reverse. Rather than investigate 9/11, he studiously avoids the topic. Etc., etc., etc. ..."
"... From a "deep state" perspective, what is there to dislike about orange clown? How can the "deep state" have any kind of serious problem with someone who's making Obama look like Mister Rogers? ..."
"... Has the "deep state" deployed a "lone nut" against him? Apparently not. Is he being impeached? No. Is there even a hint of political opposition to his reckless, imperial "foreign policy"? No. Have any of his appointees been blocked? No. Has there been any kind of significant legal action against him challenging his blatantly unconstitutional military adventurism for example? As far as I know, no. ..."
"... Not where I live in the Northwest. I have spoken to people who are convinced Trump is "beyond guilty" of collusion. These people are either CNN watchers or work in IT. Everyday I go to the gym people are either watching CNN or MSNBC on their screen. ..."
"... How do you "manipulate" a reasonable person into flirting with planetary extinction? How can someone who actually cares about America be manipulated into risking war with Russia for no good reason? Such a person is not morally or mentally fit for the job of president in the first place. ..."
"... So in essence Trump's whole campaign platform was reversed by "deep state" "manipulation" but rather than surround himself with reasonable people, appeal to his supporters, investigate or threaten to investigate 9/11, or even resign (rather than become a mass-murderer), he decides to stay on because he enjoys killing people with drones and he loves the vacations, etc.? ..."
"... The more likely case is that orange clown's a con man whose whole campaign was a calculated bait and switch fraud from the beginning. And all this "out to get Trump" nonsense depicting Trump as hapless "victim" of the deep state is pure political theater. ..."
"... Michael Caputo now says he was approached by a SECOND recruiter, someone other than Halper. ..."
"... Yes, Halper was involved in getting President Carter's debate briefing book to the Reagan/ BUSH campaign ahead of the debate. He's been in there, connected, for years and years, a call-boy the players, the powers-that-be have at their disposal. ..."
"... Democrats and Republicans serve the same master, no difference, neither have real any real power. The Wall St bankers,, The Lobby, MIC, International Corporations call the shots. All the politicians are dirty, and deep state has plenty of blackmail info on ALL of them if they step out of line. They're only puppets for you to get angry at, and vote out to ease your anger. But nothing changes with elections because the ones with power are unelected, and never move. See Jim Traficant or JFK for what happens when one dares to tell the truth, or challenge the establishment. ..."
"... If Trump really wanted to change things, if he was the real deal, he would have Sessions start a new 9/11 investigation, and start imprisoning and executing the perps and traitors, all the way from Tel Aviv back home to Wall St. All of them. ..."
"... In fairness, his life expectancy after such an announcement would be about 6 minutes. Getting the public to realize the truth about 9/11 is the best chance I can see for real political change in the U.S., but hoping that anyone in Washington will lead the charge seems quite futile. A group of lawyers representing victims' families recently filed a petition for a new investigation – the media of course were not interested. It really comes down to spreading the word on the grassroots level. ..."
"... Halper was not a recruiter. He was there to collect information for the FBI, the very definition of a spy. ..."
"... The Democrats truly hate the whole concept of democracy. They've tried as best they can to ban democracy from their party. And now they've instituted both illegal campaign tactics before the election and a coup after the election to try to keep the power in the Democratic Party and the money flowing to them. ..."
"... Did Imram Awan leak the documents exposing that the DNC was colluding with the Clintons and rigging the primaries and convention in her favor? After all, that's where this all began. ..."
"... That was when Hillary came up with the idea to try to blame the Russians for the leaks and thus lead the world close to nuclear war for her own personal ambition. ..."
So, help me out here – the only reason the NYT is even reporting on this is because
Congress was closing in on this turd's identity, right?
"F.B.I. agents sent an informant to talk to two campaign advisers only after they
received evidence that the pair had suspicious contacts linked to Russia during the
campaign.
"Suspicious contacts" = Russians who talked to Trump's employees.
So the FISA surveillance, the national-security letters, the FBI informants and 18
months of relentless probing-harassment have all been justified on the basis of allegations
about Russia hacking that may or may not have happened at all??
The one silver lining to all of this is that the GOP can to absolutely DRAG the Democrats
about this in the next election. If the GOP is smart, they will not listen to a goddamn word
coming out of the mouths of the Democrats or their (((Big Media))) mouthpieces during the
2020 election. They will not respond to a single point they have to make, except to call them
hopelessly corrupt authoritarians who are unfit to govern until they come clean about their
malfeasance and cut the rot from their ranks, and then spout their other talking points and
drop the mic.
"According to people familiar with (General Michael) Flynn's visit to the intelligence
seminar, the source was alarmed by the general's apparent closeness with a Russian woman
who was also in attendance. The concern was strong enough that it prompted another person
to pass on a warning to the American authorities that Mr. Flynn could be compromised by
Russian intelligence, according to two people familiar with the matter."
*Facepalm*
These fucks are beyond parody now. We're literally ruled by corrupt morons, stooges, and
degenerates.
"The cockblocking/penis-envy concern was enough for Stasi agents to follow up "
I would be shocked if both political party's didn't have a myriad of spies in each other's
campaigns dating back to Lincoln! Grow up people, there's a ton of money here.
Rod Rosenstein is a traitorous weasel POS who never should've been appointed. Christopher
Wray worked as a deputy to James Comey and is highly likely dirty and another deep state
puppet. Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, McConnell, Pompeo, John Kelly, Kirstjen Nielsen, Gina Haspel,
John Bolton, Nikki Haley, all are deep state puppets. Why does Trump keep appointing more
deep state puppets to take over from the other deep state puppets?
I cannot for the life of me understand why Jeff Sessions continues to stick up for
Rosenstein the weasel. My only explanation is that this whole thing is a coup set up by Deep
State and Mike Pence from the get go so Pence can be president, and Sessions is in on the
coup to keep his job.
I did not know it was Rosenstein's memo that prompted Trump to fire James Comey. Trump
needs to bring that out in the open and let everyone know Rosenstein set him up. This POS
weasel needs to go to jail. As long as he's still in the DOJ no real investigation of deep
state will ever take place. We've got the fox guarding the hen house.
It notes that all the corporate media knows it was Halper, but they obey the Deep State
and refuse to report this, pretending that evil Republicans are trying to out an innocent FBI
spy. Even today, their coverage is "alleged" informant. For some reason, NBC News was the
only "mainstream" team to ignore this absurd BS and report his name as part of the biggest
news story of the decade. Note that Halper is not a Democratic Party mole, but a Bush family
mole.
Doesn't Mueller have the self-respect to end his witch hunt and crawl back under a
rock?
A very strong move by President Trump. It is a fact that the FBI sent an informant, Mr.
Halper, to gather information on the Trump campaign. The FBI can plead it was to gather info
on alarming Russians, but the informant my gather other info just as easily. If the FBI can
send one, Halper, they can just as easily send another, or more unknown informants. This
RussiaGate nonsense has always been a matter to be tried in the court of public opinion, by
innuendo. Therefore President Trump's investigation can use the "have you stopped beating
your wife?" method. Every time the FBI says no to a question it looks like they are lying to
cover something bigger. Informants have Control Officers, who write reports to superiors, the
reports make reference to code words, places and dates. Reports generate memos and orders.
Everything becomes fuel for innuendo and the only out the FBI will have is "We honestly
thought .but no, we found nothing".
A point well made in qualification of the merits of the article. Surely the author knows
on reflection that no political party or campaign is going to forgo the chance of getting
inside information on what their opponents are up to, including crimes – and
spying.
Since Trump could do some shuffling so as to appoint an Attorney-General who wouldn't
recuse himself or get rid of Rosenstein by appointing him a judge, or ambassador just for
example maybe it is best to assume that the President doesn't feel immediately threatened and
is reasonably confident that he can find and time his countermeasures satisfactorily. It is
hardly beyond belief that there are Trump moles in Mueller's army who are assuring him that
his instinct is right: apparent witch hunting persecution by Mueller is actually a harmless
distraction and so good for him until the time is right to blow it up.
Considered in its entirety, this Trump/Russia business is indeed turning into the political
crime (& shame) of the century. Were someone who had died in the 50′s to suddenly
resurrect, they would suffer the equivalent of a psychotic episode or a bad LSD trip.
Its mind boggling to anyone even vaguely conscious .
Mr Trump needs to clean house: politiclly difficult, yes, but Trump needs to visit a Lehman
Bros' moment on the DOJ, CIA & FBI.
No doubt the above toxic agencies will (again) spew forth the magic word:
"Russia-Russia-Russia" to render all opposition impotent.
One may, of course, truly wonder whether a majority of citizens will awake & notice the
stench of rotting democracy & having noticed, draw the correct conclusions and –
finally – act .
Trump has surrounded himself with lifer Deep Staters who no doubt tell him that
investigations and prosecutions will do grave harm to national security and, at the same
time, would appear to be his own politically motivated witch hunt, the kind one sees only in
third-world basket case countries, and that would reflect more poorly on him than on the
actual cabal attempting to overthrow him and overturn his election.
But the actual collusion has become so obvious that he has to pull the trigger, because
nobody else is going to. Sessions should have been all over this a year ago, but he too is a
long-serving government employee, which suggests he is also of the swamp. As for Congress, a
few brave souls, e.g. Nunes, have tried and have been exposed to withering fire from all
sides.
The purpose of the informant/spy was to "dirty" Page and Papadopoulos; to make them plausible
suspects so that full use of the NSA database could be used on the Trump team both pre- and
post-election and as far back in the past as they wanted to go. The warrants used on Page and
Papadopoulos were counterintelligence warrants that allow using NSA resources on anyone "two
hops" (two people) away from Page and Papadopoulos. "Two-hops" would easily include everyone
near Trump even if Page and Papadopoulos had only minimal contact with the campaign. This is
the heart of the crime. Page and Papadopoulos were used as place-holders to gather
information on everyone near Trump. The informer was used to set those two up.
Trump posting something on Twitter isn't "fighting back"–it's venting steam. As the
article correctly states, letting the DOJ investigate itself is a joke. So Trump needed a
Special Counsel of his own, and he needed him right after his inauguration. It may be that
Trump likes a dose of Russia Scare to push overpriced American weapons and LNG to clueless
Europeans. It may be that he's found out (or at least his people have) that he needs
Deep-State sleaze for his anti-Iran campaign. It may be that Trump well knows he's vulnerable
on nepotism, old NY Mob ties, and oh yeah some sexual peccadilloes, so he better play along
and color within the lines. Or it may simply be that Trump is a moron without the attention
span for anything beyond venting on Twitter.
It doesn't really matter now, the ship has sailed, he's gone too far in with "Putin-Assad
baby killers" to return to sanity now.
"After 18 months of withering attacks and accusations, Donald Trump has decided to get up off
the canvas and fight back."
If "they" are really out to "get" orange clown, why don't "they" go after him for his
impeachable war crimes in Syria, for example? Why don't "they" at least bring a lawsuit
against him for his illegal, immoral and unconstitutional occupation of Syria?
Generally speaking, when one party ostensibly dislikes another party, and apparently seeks
to "get" that party, isn't there usually some kind of plausible, identifiable reason for the
enmity?
Since being inaugurated, orange clown has reversed himself on the pre-election intimations
and campaign promises that apparently got him elected. Instead of improving relations with
Russia, he's made everything worse; he never misses a chance to provoke Russia. Instead of
pulling out of Afghanistan, he's escalating that pointless war. He's increased the illegal,
immoral and unconstitutional U.S. military occupation of Syria. He's escalating the genocidal
war against Yemen. He's arming the corrupt puppet government in Kiev. He's already
slaughtered more people with drone strikes than Obama did in eight years. He's surrounded
himself with bloodthirsty psychopaths. He's trying to overthrow the Maduro government in
Venezuela. He puts Israel first and America second (or lower) on the list. He wants more
military spending. He seems to want a bigger, more powerful more and aggressive NATO, not the
reverse. Rather than investigate 9/11, he studiously avoids the topic. Etc., etc., etc.
From a "deep state" perspective, what is there to dislike about orange clown? How can the
"deep state" have any kind of serious problem with someone who's making Obama look like
Mister Rogers?
"In any event, Trump has decided to throw caution to the wind and go for broke. He's
decided that the only way he's going to get his enemies off his back is by flushing them out
into the open and subjecting their activities to public scrutiny."
Has the "deep state" deployed a "lone nut" against him? Apparently not. Is he being
impeached? No. Is there even a hint of political opposition to his reckless, imperial
"foreign policy"? No. Have any of his appointees been blocked? No. Has there been any kind of
significant legal action against him challenging his blatantly unconstitutional military
adventurism for example? As far as I know, no.
3D chess, 4D chess or what is it up to now, 14D chess? Trumpistas have too much faith in
their man. Trump is a businessman not a politician. He's in over his head. Just look at how
easily he was goaded into canning James Comey that set off this whole sorry affair.
One may, of course, truly wonder whether a majority of citizens will awake & notice
the stench of rotting democracy & having noticed, draw the correct conclusions and
– finally – act.
Not where I live in the Northwest. I have spoken to people who are convinced Trump is "beyond guilty" of collusion.
These people are either CNN watchers or work in IT. Everyday I go to the gym people are either watching CNN or MSNBC on their
screen. Most Americans are brain dead sheeple.
"Has the "deep state" deployed a 'lone nut' against him? Apparently not. Is he being
impeached? No. Is there even a hint of political opposition to his reckless, imperial
'foreign policy'? No. Have any of his appointees been blocked? No. Has there been any kind of
significant legal action against him challenging his blatantly unconstitutional military
adventurism for example? As far as I know, no.
So how is anybody actually '[on] his back'?"
Answer: the Deep State obviously is on his back, It is has successfully manipulated him
into a foreign policy that he did not want. He wanted an America First policy, but because of
political blackmail and dishonest allegations about collusion with Russia, Trump has felt
compelled to do what Zionists want in the Middle East. At home, massive legal immigration
continues, there will be no mass deportations, and the border wall will not be built. The
Democrats will be firmly entrenched after Trump is gone from the scene.
"the Deep State obviously is on his back, It is has successfully manipulated him into a
foreign policy that he did not want. "
Or so goes the Trump apologists' claim. But that's pure unfounded speculation.
How do you "manipulate" a reasonable person into flirting with planetary extinction? How
can someone who actually cares about America be manipulated into risking war with Russia for
no good reason? Such a person is not morally or mentally fit for the job of president in the
first place.
So in essence Trump's whole campaign platform was reversed by "deep state" "manipulation"
but rather than surround himself with reasonable people, appeal to his supporters,
investigate or threaten to investigate 9/11, or even resign (rather than become a
mass-murderer), he decides to stay on because he enjoys killing people with drones and he
loves the vacations, etc.?
I think not. The more likely case is that orange clown's a con man whose whole
campaign was a calculated bait and switch fraud from the beginning. And all this "out to get
Trump" nonsense depicting Trump as hapless "victim" of the deep state is pure political
theater.
"In an earlier version of this article I stated that the FBI planted a spy INSIDE the Trump
campaign. This is not correct, which is why I asked editor Ron Unz to remove the article. The
informant was not part of the Campaign but sought information from members of the Campaign."
Hyper-technical hair splitting that is ultimately false. The point of Halper's approaches
were to recruit people in the campaign to provide information. Those recruits would have been
spies. Michael Caputo now says he was approached by a SECOND recruiter, someone other than Halper.
Trump is head of the Executive Branch. The DoJ and FBI are part of the executive branch and
subordinate to Trump. He can send 30-40 US Marshals to FBI headquarters, and to DoJ
headquarters, and have them extract by force the necessary documents, and no one can say
"boo!"
I wish he would.
The downside of course is that everyone in the media and in Congress would scream
"tyrant!" So Trump currently is leaving them alone to continue digging their own grave with
the Mueller/Russia witchunt, as the country moves towards the midterm elections.
Yes, Halper was involved in getting President Carter's debate briefing book to the Reagan/
BUSH campaign ahead of the debate. He's been in there, connected, for years and years,
a call-boy the players, the powers-that-be have at their disposal.
Stefan Halper is one of the creepy-crawly things that have been living under the rock
Donald Trump kicked over.
As Steve Sailer points out, Halper is the son-in-law of CIA man Ray. S. Cline, who was
instrumental in the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
Democrats and Republicans serve the same master, no difference, neither have real any real
power. The Wall St bankers,, The Lobby, MIC, International Corporations call the shots. All
the politicians are dirty, and deep state has plenty of blackmail info on ALL of them if they
step out of line. They're only puppets for you to get angry at, and vote out to ease your
anger. But nothing changes with elections because the ones with power are unelected, and
never move. See Jim Traficant or JFK for what happens when one dares to tell the truth, or
challenge the establishment.
9/11 and silence from both sides with regard to a real investigation into the biggest
"terrorist" attack in US History, and the murder of 3000 Americans, this tells you who is in
power, the people that pulled it off. Neither party supports a real investigation into this
attack, they both work for the same people. The fact that the MSM still lies about it means
they are also controlled by the goons. The FBI, CIA lies about it, and Muellers coverup of
the crime tells you all of the "Intelligence" and "Law" enforcement agencies are also
controlled by the same cabal.
Until they start telling the truth about 9/11, you can bet the same goons are still in
charge, no matter who the president is, no matter which Democrat or Republican you elect, the
shadow government, deep state are still calling the shots. If you do vote, vote 3rd party.
The whole election system is rigged to keep out most anyone who might dare to challenge the
establishment, thats why we only get lowlifes like Mitt Romney or the Cintons running for
office year after year, out of millions of people the same dirtbags just won't go away.
Everything else is just noise, distractions from this reality. If Trump really wanted to
change things, if he was the real deal, he would have Sessions start a new 9/11
investigation, and start imprisoning and executing the perps and traitors, all the way from
Tel Aviv back home to Wall St. All of them.
If Trump really wanted to change things, if he was the real deal, he would have Sessions
start a new 9/11 investigation, and start imprisoning and executing the perps and traitors,
all the way from Tel Aviv back home to Wall St. All of them.
In fairness, his life expectancy after such an announcement would be about 6 minutes. Getting the public to realize the truth about 9/11 is the best chance I can see for real
political change in the U.S., but hoping that anyone in Washington will lead the charge seems
quite futile. A group of lawyers representing victims' families recently filed a
petition for a new investigation – the media of course were not interested. It
really comes down to spreading the word on the grassroots level.
Hyper-technical hair splitting that is ultimately false. The point of Halper's
approaches were to recruit people in the campaign to provide information. Those recruits
would have been spies. Michael Caputo now says he was approached by a SECOND recruiter,
someone other than Halper.
Halper was not a recruiter. He was there to collect information for the FBI, the very
definition of a spy.
Hatunggal Muda Siregar, a spokesman for MNC, said the theme park and the Trump
properties are separate projects within the Lido development. The agreement with the
Chinese company to build the theme park does not include any financing for the project, he
said.
Mr. Trump's business dealings in Indonesia prompted scrutiny even before his
inauguration, and he pledged not to embark on any new deals while in office. But the Trump
Organization held onto the projects in Indonesia, saying the contracts with Mr. Hary were
signed in 2015 and were binding.
Yet another nothing burger. This an old deal made before he even ran for president. The
Chinese loan does not extend to building of the Trump properties.
As the article repeatedly pointed out:
There isn't any evidence that the agreement with the construction company was intended
to sway the Trump administration on any matters.
If there's no evidence, why report it at all? To give more ammo to people who are always
for looking for any reason to disparage Trump, and only bother to read headlines.
"It's worth noting, that the current Russia investigation is based on the dubious claim that
Russia hacked DNC computers."
Imran Awan is not Russian, he's a Paki. And he didn't need to hack the DNC, Debbie
Wasserman Schultz let him in and gave him the password. There, huge mystery solved.
"Anyone who refers to Trump as 'orange clown' is obviously partisan to the point of not
worth listening to."
You may be right about that; now that I think about it, it does seem too generous.
How about "teflon-don-the-con-man"; or, "the ignorant orange savage in the White House"?
Of course there's always the Biblical description to fall back on: "the beast from the earth"
(i.e. the second beast of Rev 13); will that work?
Meanwhile, at the same time we also learn that there is evidence that there really was
collusion between the Trump campaign and foreign powers that wanted to see it elected in
return for favorable policies. But, the problem that the Deep State has is that the foreign
powers were not the cartoon-pinup-all-purpose villan of the Russians. No, it was Israel and
Saudi Arabia.
The point of all of this is that the United States is supposed to be a democracy which
means that the government does what the people want it to do. The one thing that we are
seeing is that nobody in Washington wants that. The Democrats truly hate the whole concept of
democracy. They've tried as best they can to ban democracy from their party. And now they've
instituted both illegal campaign tactics before the election and a coup after the election to
try to keep the power in the Democratic Party and the money flowing to them.
But, it turns out Trump was off cutting deals with Israel and Saudi Arabia that now seem
to have the USA headed straight into a disasterous war that was the last thing that voters
wanted. The voters keep electing candidates who claim to be against these wars. The problem
is that they whole bunch of them are a lot of liars, and the one and only thing they are
truly against is democracy and letting the people have a say.
America desperately needs a Democracy Movement. One that cleans the temples of DC of all
of the corrupt liars that currently rule us in both fake parties.
"He's decided that the only way he's going to get his enemies off his back is by flushing
them out into the open and subjecting their activities to public scrutiny. It's a risky
strategy "
It's the only strategy he can pursue. If he doesn't take the fight out into the open,
where his enemies are vulnerable, they will bury him.
Did Imram Awan leak the documents exposing that the DNC was colluding with the Clintons and
rigging the primaries and convention in her favor? After all, that's where this all began.
It was a bit before the conventions when those emails leaked. Hillary certainly knew that
they could be the death of her lifelong quest to see how much she could steal as President.
If the Bernie voters were upset that the whole fake primary and caucus process had been
rigged all along and refused to support Hillary, then she was done as a Presidential
contender.
That was when Hillary came up with the idea to try to blame the Russians for the leaks and
thus lead the world close to nuclear war for her own personal ambition.
You know it's funny, all those 'conservatives' screaming that Edward Snowden is a traitor,
that we should trust the US government to spy on us in secret because national security
demands it, etc. Because only bad people have something to hide, right?
And now we begin to see exactly what it means when the central government can essentially
spy on anyone for any reason not so wonderful after all, is it?
There is an old saying that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged, and a liberal
is a conservative who's been arrested. I guess a civil libertarian is a national security hawk that's been spied on.
I see your point, bread and circus for the people. I'm more worried about is Israel attacking
Lebanon, tbh, dragging the entire ME in to the conflict ending up with trump/bibi and Erdogan
stumbling us into a ww and/or financial breakdown.
America desperately needs a Democracy Movement. One that cleans the temples of DC of all
of the corrupt liars that currently rule us in both fake parties
Yes indeed we do. The Dems are using the corruption theme, but of course they are
hypocrites also and don't live up to ethical standards either.
Still, maybe an election platform based on ITS THE CORRUPTION STUPID ..will open the eyes of
some of our more mentally challenged voters.
Hate always works – Tump pretended he was going to drain the hateful deep state swamp to
save his little people -- -so I guess the Dems can pretend they are going to kill the corrupt
to save the little people.
Democrats Roll Out Anti-Corruption Message for 2018
1 day ago – Instead, Democrats are returning to an anti-corruption message that A
decade later, Trump seized on a similar theme, directing voter ire at
Mueller is the only admirable man in this mess. Trump's problem is he is for once up against
an honest man, someone he cant threaten or bribe or bully.
Trump, as we say in the south, is white trash he is way out of his class with Mueller.
Mueller's investigation isn't going to 'wrap up' soon -- and Trump is still in peril
Anyone paying attention over the last year knows Mueller will not yield to political
pressure. His investigators haven't leaked; they have ignored vicious personal attacks; they
haven't veered in the slightest from prosecutorial professionalism.
So to "wrap it up," Trump would have to make a move, but will he?
The president and his lawyers are strategizing about whether he will agree to be
interviewed by Mueller, either voluntarily or under subpoena. If he were to refuse, as the
current swing of the pendulum suggests, and then try to end the probe, he would only seem
more guilty and undermine his support even among Republicans. If his refusal were to lead, as
expected, to a court battle, we would expect the Supreme Court to settle the issue. Any move
by Trump to preempt it would again only undermine his credibility.
In addition, the president and his circle are well aware of how fast the midterm election
is approaching and what effect an attempt to fire Mueller could have on the outcome. They
want to avoid any action that would help the Democrats flip the House. Such a shift would
change every calculation, not least because a Democratic majority could move to impeach the
president early next year.
Of course, Trump may calculate that he could get away with firing Mueller now, if he moved
quickly and the Republican leadership rallied to his side. But it is equally possible that
Congress would respond with legislation to reinstate Mueller. Again, the field of battle
would shift to the courts.
Most importantly, even a successful ouster of Mueller would not derail the investigation
at this point. Too much evidence has been gathered, and too many prosecutors, who have surely
considered and planned for the contingency, stand ready to carry on. Should Trump try to
shutter the entire special counsel's office, a much graver and politically and legally
riskier act than firing Mueller or Rosenstein, other divisions in the Department of Justice,
in particular the Southern District of New York, would also be ready to take up the
charge.
The strength of all that evidence, the careful work done thus far, and the indictments
already filed are the special counsel's protection against "witch hunt" tweets and
protestations that the investigation is already over with nothing to show for it.
In the course of the past year, we've learned not to underestimate what Mueller knows and
what bombshell he may have prepared. It may involve the Russians and the campaign, it may
involve obstruction of justice, but there are other relevant threads as well: the true motive
behind the Seychelles meeting between Trump associate Erik Prince and the head of a Russian
wealth fund, the hacking of Democratic Party emails and its links to Trump political advisor
Roger Stone, the recent sale of Russia's state owned oil company to Qatar.
Last week we discovered that Mueller was way ahead of us on the huge payments made to
Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen for access to the president. We don't yet know what
he's found out from cooperating witnesses, including Michael Flynn and Rick Gates, that might
point directly at the president. And there is still the possibility that Paul Manafort or
Cohen could decide to cooperate with the investigation.
None of these threads signals Trump's removal from office. A conviction in the Senate, no
matter what happens in the midterm, would require a good number of Republicans to turn
against the president, which seems remote absent a smoking gun that proves grave criminal
conduct. But it is more than plausible that the probe and associated investigations will
result in additional indictments of Trump associates -- including Jared Kushner and Donald
Trump Jr. -- and will leave Trump seriously wounded, an untenable candidate in 2020. Once he
leaves office, his legal exposure, both civil and criminal, would skyrocket.
The "wrap it up" crowd is indulging in wishful thinking. The first anniversary of the
Mueller investigation is unlikely to be the last.
Harry Litman teaches constitutional law at UC San Diego. He is a former U.S. attorney
and deputy assistant attorney general.
The question for me is 'can the majority of the USA people be convinced that the era since
1898 is over, that USA foreign policy can no longer be determined merely by internal
politics, internal politics including pressure groups as neocons, AIPAC and AEI ?'.
Maybe the question is the wrong one: can the majority of the USA be made to see that these
pressure groups will ruin the USA, and that their power must be liquidated ?
What Trump's intentions are with threatening Iran, I do not know.
The long term effect must be driving Iran in Russian and Chinese arms.
What the European industrial countries will do, I also do not know.
Is Germany willing to be cut off from trade with the East, or will Germany decide that her
future lies in the East, the Asian continent, from which we are not divided by an ocean,
where countries exist that do not think, as far as I know, that they have a Manifest Destiny
to rule or 'police' the world.
You know it's funny, all those 'conservatives' screaming that Edward Snowden is a traitor,
that we should trust the US government to spy on us in secret because national security
demands it, etc. Because only bad people have something to hide, right?
And now we begin to see exactly what it means when the central government can essentially
spy on anyone for any reason not so wonderful after all, is it?
There is an old saying that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged, and a liberal
is a conservative who's been arrested. I guess a civil libertarian is a national security
hawk that's been spied on.
It's got to
be either one of the stupidest acts that I can recall or a very wicked plan by Washington
neocons to sabotage Korean peace talks. How else to describe the decision by Big Brother USA
and junior sidekick South Korea to stage major air force exercises on North Korea's border. The
prickly North Koreans had a fit, of course, as always when the US flexes its muscles on their
borders. Continuing South and North Korean peace talks scheduled this week were cancelled by
the furious North Koreans. The much ballyhooed Singapore summit between US President Donald
Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong-un is now threatened with cancellation or delay. Who can blame
the North Koreans for blowing their tops? As Trump administration mouthpieces were gabbing
about peace and light, the US Air Force was getting ready to fly B-52 heavy bombers and F-22
Raptor stealth fighters around North Korea's borders and missile-armed subs lurked at sea. This
provocation was the first of two major spring military exercises planned by the US and its
reluctant South Korean satrap. In case North Korea failed to get the message, the second
exercise is code-named 'Maximum Thunder.' And this right after Trump and his neocon minions
reneged on the sensible nuclear treaty with Iran. In a policy one could call 'eat sand and
die,' Trump demanded that Iran not only give up any and all nuclear capacity (Iran has no
nukes), but also junk its non-nuclear armed medium range missiles, stop backing the
Palestinians, Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen, roll over and be good, don't do
anything to upset Israel, and pull out of Syria. In short, a total surrender policy leading to
future regime change. Hardly an encouragement for North Korea. North Korea was right on target
when it accused arch-neocon John Bolton of trying to sabotage the peace deal. In 2005-2006,
Bolton served as the Bush administration's ambassador to the UN. He established a tradition for
the post of being anti-Muslim, pro-Israel and anti-Russian, a policy continued to this day by
the current US UN rep, loud-mouthed neocon Nikki Haley. In the 2005-2006 period, after years of
negotiations, the US and North Korea were close to a nuclear/peace deal. Enter John Bolton. He
succeeded in sabotaging the US-North Korea deal. Why? Because Bolton, as an arch neocon, was
fanatically pro-Israel and feared that North Korea might provide nuclear technology to Israel's
foes. As usual with the neocons, Israel's interests came before those of the United States.
Trump's newly named Secretary of State, Michael Pompeo, is also an ardent neocon. Last week,
Bolton went onto US TV and actually suggested North Korea might follow the course set by Libya,
of all places. Libya's then ruler, Muammar Kadaffi, bought some nuclear equipment from Pakistan
so he could hand it over to the US as a gesture of cooperation after the Bush administration
invaded Iraq. The handover was done with much fanfare, then the US, France and Britain attacked
Libya and overthrew Kadaffi. The hapless Libyan leader was eventually murdered by French
agents. Is this what Bolton has in mind for North Korea? The Northerners certainly seemed to
think so. Some wondered if Bolton and perhaps Pompeo were trying to sabotage the North Korea
deal. Or were at least being incredibly obtuse and belligerent. Was Trump involved in this
intrigue? Hard to tell. But he can't be happy. His minions and bootlickers are promoting Trump
for the Nobel Prize – rather ahead of events. Or was the US military rattling its sabers
and trying to protect its huge investments in North Asia? The Pentagon takes a dim view of the
proposed Korean nuclear accords. The burst of sweetness and light coming from Pyongyang just
sounds too good to be true. Veteran Korea observers, this writer included, find it hard to
believe Kim Jong-un will give up his nuclear weapons, particularly after seeing Trump's deceit
in dealing with Iran and Kadaffi's murder. Speaking of de-nuclearization, why does North Korea
not demand that the US get rid of its nuclear weapons based in South Korea, Okinawa, Guam and
with the 7 th Fleet? Many are targeted on North Korea. US nuclear weapons are based
on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. Others are secretly based in Japan. Why not demand the US
pull out all its 28,500 troops in South Korea and some 2,000 military technicians at air bases?
Conclusively halt those spring and fall military maneuvers that raise the threat of war. End
the trade embargo of North Korea that amounts to high level economic warfare. Establish normal
diplomatic relations. Pyongyang has not even begun to raise these issues. Smiles and hugs are
premature.
The US Empire has no desire for diplomacy and realistic concessions on both sides when it
comes to North Korea. The US will attempt to have its way and its way only with NK. The great
tragedy is, as long as the US remains entrenched on the Korean peninsula, North and South
Korea cannot make the peace process work that is so long overdue their peoples.
Who is really in control? The US seems like a country at war with itself. One minute, one
decision, another minute, the opposite decision. Trump himself started out with promise but
now follows the Jewish agenda to the letter.
Could it be that the US power structure is completely split along the lines of MAGA vs.
Zionists and everything the rest of the world experiences is secondary?
My advice to Kim – keep the nukes, and try to eat less.
USA stupidities have long consequences.
The British, experienced in ruling an empire, did not want outside interference in the Korean
civil war.
The list of USA stupidities is long, Philippines, Japan, China, South America, Iraq, Iran,
Libia, Syria, two world wars.
Peter Lowe, The Origins of the Korean War, London, 1986
Barbara W. Tuchman, 'Stilwell and the American Experience in China, 1911- 45', New York,
1970, 1985
William L. Neumann, 'America encounters Japan, From Perry to MacArthur', 1963, 1965, New
York
Charles Callan Tansill, 'Amerika geht in den Krieg', Stuttgart 1939 (America goes to War,
1938)
Charles A. Beard, 'President Roosevelt and the coming of the war 1941, A study in appearances
and realities', New Haven, 1948
Roy Mottahedeh, 'The Mantle of the Prophet, Religion and Politics in Iran', Oxford, 1985,
2000
Barbara Hinckley Sheldon Goldman, American Politics and Government, Glenview Ill.,1990
Alan Friedman, 'Spider's Web, Bush, Saddam, Thatcher and the Decade of Deceit', London,
1993
There are more books I could mention, but this seems enough.
The USA's problem, as I see it, that, until now, foreign policy could be determined by
internal political reasons.
Trump's problem, making clear that this is over.
Eric Margolis is one of the 2 or 3 best 'mainstream' published columnists in the country. He
nails the nearly innumerable problems with Neocons about as well as can be done.
As Trump administration mouthpieces were gabbing about peace and light, the US Air Force
was getting ready to fly B-52 heavy bombers and F-22 Raptor stealth fighters around North
Korea's borders and missile-armed subs lurked at sea.
Yet it's them Eye-rainianz what's da threat to whirled peas.
Hey Eric, perhaps instead of "gabbing," you really meant "gabbling?"
US foreign policy: Say one thing, do the opposite, piss on yer own citizens, blame it all
on someone else, and laugh all the way to the bank.
The sad fact is the American troops and nukes are staying in S. Korea to use as a cudgel
against China. The tension, rhetoric and sanctions will continue; though, unless Trump and
his war cabinet are criminally insane, no war will ensue that allows Kim's forces to get in a
punch. Needless American and S. Korean losses wouldn't play well in the media, especially in
an election year. Pre-emptive genocide on a vast scale (implying a nuclear attack), however,
is always possible from the Americans and their "free world" vassals wouldn't dare to
criticise it, nor would the compliant American media. Not when we've been brainwashed to
believe that American cities are N. Korean targets. Once an American military infestation
occurs in a country it cannot be extirpated without killing the host, and the parasite is too
deeply embedded in S. Korean tissue to be driven out or just walk away.
John Bolton does indeed present a quite ferocious image and I am sure the only thing that
held him back from a military career was the possibility that, one day, he might have to
fight.
There's one nation that will benefit from the NK deal, as they have been playing footsies
with the N. Koreans for some time. That nation is Israel.
Trump the Schlump: Iran Nuclear Deal Is Bad; North Korean Nuclear Deal Is
Good
The only country that stands to benefit from this disjointed and hypocritical U.S.
nuclear proliferation policy is Israel. It was the far-right government of Israeli Prime
Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, aided and abetted by Israel's wealthy American Jewish
billionaire troika of political influence peddlers – Sheldon Adelson, Paul Singer,
and Bernard Marcus – who, in the end, convinced Trump to trash the JCPOA. Trump's
two new additions to his national security and foreign policy team, Pompeo and National
Security Adviser John Bolton, have long advocated blowing up the JCPOA, charging that Iran
has been violating the deal. Nothing is further from the truth, as demonstrated by
conclusive reports on Iran's nuclear program from the International Atomic Energy Agency,
Israel's own Mossad intelligence service, and the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency..
Israel's clandestine links with North Korea date back to the operations of the Israel
Corporation, which controlled Israel Aircraft Industries and Zim Israel Navigation
Shipping Company. Eisenberg was the first Israeli to establish trading links with the
People's Republic of China, which eventually extended to North Korea and Khmer
Rouge-controlled Cambodia. Eisenberg's chief exports to China and North Korea were weapons.
In the latter part of his life, Eisenberg was found more often in Beijing, where he died in
1997, than in Tel Aviv. As with Israel's covert oil business with Iran, Eisenberg's
weapons sales to China and North Korea were handled by a shell corporation in Panama called
United Development, Inc.
Wow, imagine that, our foreign policy being run by neoCONs and Zionists in service to
Apartheid Israel.
Those that know 9/11 was an Israeli masterminded False Flag will recall ZIM as the Israeli
shipping outfit that broke their WTC lease–costing them over 50k–several weeks
before 9/11 and got the hell out of Dodge, as if they knew something bad was going to
happen.
Gosh, what would the USA do without our good friend and ally Israel always
stabbing us in the back?
Margolis seems like a pretty worldly, well connected guy. He should send the video of
Ghaddafi being sodomized with a sharpened stick to Kim as a reminder of what can happen to
him if he gives up his nuclear deterrent.
"North Korea was right on target when it accused arch-neocon John Bolton of trying to
sabotage the peace deal. "
Bolton is merely the stalking horse in this particular scam. (It is for this kind of role
that Bolton was picked in the first place). Apparently we're to infer that orange clown
really, really, really, really, really, really, really wants some kind of a peace deal with
North Korea, just like he really, really, really, really, really, really, really wants better
relations with Russia for example alas there's always a fly in the imperial ointment.
In reality of course there was never any chance of a peace deal with North Korea, just
like there was never any chance of a troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, or a withdrawal from
Syria, or cooperation with Russia (on anything), or a real investigation into 9/11, etc.
Instead what we get is affectatious posturing by actors on a stage; "government" by
diabolical jewish-supremacist-inspired dialectics.
Looks like Putin does not see alternative to neoliberalism... Also he need to provide for
Russia a time to get from knees it was put by yeltzin regime. Russia is still very week
economically in comparison with the alliance of US and EU. It does not have China advantage of
hosting manufacturing of many high tech products.
Notable quotes:
"... to me this does strongly suggest that Putin is on the retreat, that he has made a major mistake and that the Empire has scored a major victory. ..."
Meh. I am personally unconvinced. How can Putin say that he wants serious reforms while
keeping the exact same type of people in command? If indeed the Medvedev government did such a
great job, then why is there any need for such major reforms? If Putin's power base is indeed,
as I believe it to be, in the people, then why is he trying to appease the financial elites by
catering to their interests and agenda? Most crucially, how can Russia free herself from the
financial and economic grip of the Empire when the Empire's 5 th column agents are
(re-)appointed to key positions? And in all of Russia was there really nobody more qualified
than Mutko or Kudrin to appoint to these positions?
Of course, there always this "Putin knows something you don't" but I have always had a
problem with that kind of logic which is essentially an open-ended universal cop-out. I hope
that I am wrong, but to me this does strongly suggest that Putin is on the retreat, that he
has made a major mistake and that the Empire has scored a major victory. And I will gladly
admit that I have yet to hear an explanation which would explain this, never mind offer one of
my own.
On the external front, has Russia caved in to Israeli pressure? Ruslan Ostashko offers a
very good analysis of why this is hardly the case: (I don't necessarily agree with his every
conclusion, but he does make a very good case:
Yes, Netanyahu *did* with his repeated strikes on Syria, thumb his nose at Putin (that
famous Israeli chutzpah at work for you!), and yes, Putin wining and dining Netanyahu
was a painful sight and a PR-disaster. But on substance, did Israel get Russia to "betray
Iran"? No, and not because the Russians are so heroically principled, but because Israel really
has nothing to offer Russia. All Israel has is a powerful pro-Israel lobby inside Russia, that
is true. But the more they use that lobby the more visible it becomes, the more questions at
least Eurasian Sovereignists will ask.
The Israelis sure don't want to give the impression that the run Russia the way they run the
US, and Netanyahu's reception in the Kremlin recently has already raised a lot of eyebrows and
the impression that Putin caved in to the demands of this arrogant bastard are not helping
Putin, to put it mildly. A lot of Russian analysts (Viktor Baranets, Maksim Shevchenko, Leonid
Ivashev) wonder what kind of arguments Netanyahu used with Putin, and the list of possibilities
is an outright uninspiring one.
Part five – another truism: there is a difference between excellent, good, average,
bad and terrible
Even if the situation in Russia has changed for the worse, this is hardly a reason to engage
in the usual "Putin sold out" hysteria or to declare that "Russia caved in". Even when things
are bad, there is still a huge difference between bad and worse. As of right now, Putin is not
only the best possible person to be the President of Russia, Russia also continues to be the
objective leader of the resistance to the Empire. Again, the black-and-white "Hollywood" type
of mindset entirely misses the dynamic nature of what is going on. For example, it is quite
clear to me that a new type of Russian opposition is slowly forming. Well, it always existed,
really – I am talking about people who supported Putin and the Russian foreign policy and
who disliked Medvedev and the Russian internal policies. Now the voice of those who say that
Putin is way too soft in his stance towards the Empire will only get stronger. As will the
voices of those who speak of a truly toxic degree of nepotism and patronage in the Kremlin
(again, Mutko being the perfect example). When such accusations came from rabid pro-western
liberals, they had very little traction, but when they come from patriotic and even nationalist
politicians (Nikolai Starikov for example) they start taking on a different dimension.
For example, while the court jester Zhirinovskii and his LDPR party loyally supported
Medvedev, the Communist and the Just Russia parties did not. Unless the political tension
around figures like Kudrin and Medvedev is somehow resolved (maybe a timely scandal?), we might
witness the growth of a real opposition movement in Russia, and not one run by the Empire. It
will be interesting to see if Putin's personal ratings will begin to go down and what he will
have to do in order to react to the emergence of such a real opposition.
Much will depend on how the Russian economy will perform. If, courtesy of Trump's
megalomaniacal policies towards Iran and the EU, Russia's economy receives a massive injection
of funds (via high energy prices), then things will probably stabilize. But if the European
leaders meekly cave in and join the sanctions against Iran and if the US succeeds in imposing
even further sanctions on Russia, then the Medvedev government will face a serious crisis and
the revival of the Russian economy promised by Putin will end up in an embarrassing failure and
things could also go from bad to even worse.
... ... ...
For Hezbollah, Iran or Russia to defeat Israel, the US or the entire Empire, there is no
need to plant a flag on the enemy's main symbolic building like what Soviet soldiers did in
Germany. All they need to do to win is simply to survive because the other's sides survival is
predicated upon their elimination, it's really that simple. Israel cannot claim victory as long
as Hezbollah exists, the US cannot claim world Hegemony if Iran openly defies it, and the
AngloZionist Empire cannot clain world hegemony over the our planet as long as the Russian
civilizational realm openly challenges it. So while all the talk about the Iranians wanting to
"
wipe Israel off the map " is just a typical ziomedia invention, it is true that by
their very existence Hezbollah, Iran and Russia do represent an existential threat to Israel,
the US and the Empire .
This is the biggest and the fatal weakness of the AngloZionist Empire: its survival depends
on the colonization or destruction of every other country out there. Every independent country,
whether big and powerful, or small and weak, represents an unacceptable challenge to the
hegemony of the "indispensable nation" and the "chosen people", which now try to rule over us
all. This might well be the ultimate example of Hegelian dialectics at work in geopolitics: an
Empire whose power generates it's own demise. Many empires have come and gone in history, but
the globalized world we live in, this dialectical contradiction is tremendously potentialized
by the finite conditions in which empires have to operate.
... ... ...
Right now Putin still has a lot of "credibility capital" left in spite of his recent
mistakes. However, Putin recent decisions have raised a lot of unpleasant questions which must
be answered and will so in time. In the meantime, as they say in the US, " hope for the
best, prepare for the worst, and settle for anything in the middle ". The Scripture also
warns us not to make idols of leaders: " Trust not in princes, nor in the children of men,
in whom there is no safety " (Ps 145:3 LXX). The worldly evil we are fighting, today in the
shape of the AngloZionist Empire, is but a manifestation of a much deeper, spiritual evil: "
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high
places " (Eph. 6:12). The young men and women from the Shia movement Amal got it right when
they chose the name "Party of God" for their movement when they created Hezbollah in 1985. And
Iran was right when it became an Islamic Republic: if we want to defeat the Empire we need to
always let spiritual matters and moral crieria remain above any of our "pragmatic" worldly
political considerations or national/ethnic loyalties: that is how we can defeat those who
place a dollar value on absolutely everything they see in their narrow materialistic
worldview.
A truly amazing article and the most amazing thing of all is the total lack of even
one paragraph of the existence of China. This article could have been written, word for word,
by a defender of the Empire and the China omission would have been identical.
The Key player on the world scene manages to wear the clock of invisibility like
the Shadow of old time radio and movies. Quite a feat!
robertmagill.wordpress.com
Second, each process carries within itself the seeds of its own contradiction. This is
what makes processes dynamic.
"what makes processes dynamic", could it be "more then just linear"? Referring to changes
of direction regardless of interaction(group dynamics) with other processes. Example: the
Roman Empire process, growing then imploding?
Even the Pantsir which was recently destroyed by the Israelis (with the usual
pro-Israeli PR campaign) was not even on combat alert: the unit was not even camouflaged
and its crew was standing around and smoking. The Israelis are masters at making this look
all very impressive and heroic, but in military terms, this is nonsense: they clearly hit a
unit which was not even part of the action (whatever that "action" was).
Not sure how an AD unit can be "not part of the action" anywhere in any meaningful sense
in the midst of an ongoing surge of strikes within a strategic campaign of air attacks such
as Israel is waging against Syria.
Without knowing the context (how long had it been stationary and out of ammo/action, as it
reportedly was at the time of the strike, and what was the context for the Israelis getting a
missile through to it when it should have been covered by other operational defences), it's
hard to know how much its loss should be put down to Syrian fault, and how much to Israeli/US
technical competence or just to the vagaries of war.
But it certainly doesn't look good and that's of course why the Israelis are so keen to
publicise it.
As for the Saker piece, as usual lots of good points and some not so good, but that's
about all one can expect on such complex topics. Imo he's rather over-stating the case in
excusing the Russian failure to halt the ongoing Israeli assault on Syria. Yes, Russia has no
formal alliance with Syria or Iran committing it to defend them (and by the way these are
attacks on Syria not just Iran, though occasionally they hit Iranian forces within Syria and
allied with Syria – the claims of targeting just Iranian forces are Israeli propaganda
to create a seeming pretext good enough for the pro-Israeli media in the US sphere). But to
say there is no moral onus on Russia whatsoever to do so is simply overstating it –
Iranians, Syrians and Russians are fighting side by side in Syria and that in itself creates
some moral pressure not to stand by and watch your allies get butchered with impunity when
you can do something about it.
But from a purely pragmatic point of view, failing to halt the Israeli attacks is damaging
to Russia, on at least two counts. First, it unavoidably creates a perception of weakness
and/or betrayal, and of unreliability and two-facedness. In a more concrete sense, though,
the simple fact is that Iranian, Syrian and Russian interests are in fact fundamentally
aligned in Syria and diametrically opposed to the Israeli objective, on the core issue, which
is the survival and stabilisation of the Syrian state. Israeli impunity and the level of
attacks it is now carrying out are incompatible with the goal of stabilising Syria, and will
have to be stopped at some time if that goal is to be achieved.
If the Russian government thinks that by appeasing the Israelis it can somehow hope that
they might be persuaded to slow down or halt the attacks, perhaps if the Iranians pull out,
then the Russian government is profoundly naïve. Claims that the strikes are motivated
by Iranian presence are pretexts, not reasons. If that pretext goes, another will be found.
The Israeli goal remains to destroy the Syrian state, destroy Hezbollah and destroy Iran as a
regional rival. Israel does not need to do these things – claims that it is
under serious threat are outright propaganda lies. It wants to do them, in order to
gain in regional power over its rivals and increase further its impunity to continue and
escalate its ongoing settler colonisation programs enabled by the US.
Those objectives are important enough that it isn't going to halt in pursuing them as a
favour to Russia, no matter how meek and submissive the Russian government acts, but they are
not important enough for Israel to face open conflict with a major power for them. Israel
does these things because it can. When it is forcefully told that it can no longer do them,
it will stop doing them.
One can certainly argue (and I have done so in the past) that the time isn't right for
Russia to put a halt to Israeli attempts to destabilise the Syria government, though that
argument grows increasingly threadbare. One cannot argue credibly, I think, that it will not
be necessary to do so at some point soon.
This is a very good interpretation of the recent events which have confused us all.
Personally I think any and, all deals Putin has made with the Western Zionists have a short
shelf life as, there seems to be no contract the West will honor short of complete
capitulation.
Patience is a good thing here and,, Putin knows in the end Russia is the prize. So, I
believe right now he is smart to play short ball with Washington and, Tel Aviv. There's a
level of immaturity in guys like Netanyahu and, Trump. Let me just say, they have their egos
to protect.
Saker, what do you know about AI as it relates to Tyler, anything? Is this a topic which can
excite from you an article or, two?
"the "New Russia" (as I like to call it) is not based on anything other than a Constitution
written mostly by US advisors"
That's a bit harsh. Judging by what the Russian command structure has been seen to say and
do, they are evidently based on rights and rule of law, not on the perverted US model but on
black-letter customary and conventional international law. Russia dominates US performance in
terms of human rights,
They took over from France as the world's most articulate advocate of rule of law, and did
it better. In Syria they stressed pacific resolution of disputes, notably by brokering Syrian
chemical weapons disarmament through OPCW. They also press-ganged a military staff committee
and enforced UN Charter Article 47 at gunpoint, using all the megatonnage needed. Now they're
the world's policeman, and they're not USA-style asshole cops. They're taking the role of
international civil servants in the UN Charter's sense. That may be one reason why they're
not consistently kicking US ass, as we would wish: Peace is the law. Friendly relations
– it's the law, A/RES/25/2625.
Not that they're perfect examples of rights or law – the indicators show that in the
specific respect of invitations to special procedures, they're about as bad as the USA, and
that's pretty bad. And your point about double standards on Israeli impunity is very
important. But their opposition to the West is not general, but meticulously grounded in law.
Recall that they justified even a vital interest, Crimean accession, in terms of the Kosovo
precedent set out by the ICJ.
the pantsir was being reloaded.. no rockets in the tubes, maybe that is how it was not
part of the action;)
weapons without ammo cant do their intended operations as far as i know,,
Being out of ammo doesn't mean being "not part of the action". It means you should be
either be being reloaded or getting under cover to reload, or be covered by other systems, or
both.
Were the autocannons out of ammo as well? If it was running low on ammo shortly before,
why wasn't it already on the move towards cover, since the S1 can reportedly fire on the
move? If it was under such rapid and sustained attack that its ammo was exhausted in a
saturation attack (and that of its covering systems as well, bearing in mind it was
reportedly located at a major airbase), and it had no time to move or be reloaded before it
was hit, then it absolutely was not "not part of the action".
I take no joy in pointing it out, but this was a clear defeat for the Syrian AD systems,
however you explain it. It's not the end of the world – losses are inevitable in
combat. Lessons can be learned. But it can't be airily dismissed as "not part of the
action".
What "cancellation" of which promise to supply the S-300?? There never was any promise to do
so to start with. There were only certain questions asked by the JMSM in certain time before
the long-planned visit of Netanyahu on May, 9. The Russian generals had to give some sort of
replies. An ambiguous ones. But the JMSM of course made a conclusion that Russia indeed is
planning the sale. Fast-forward to 9th of May, Bibi comes/Bibi leaves, and the same JMSM
would ask the new questions. To which Moscow obviously had to voice a denial. As a result
– Bibi is a hero at home, while Putin was made look weak. http://www.ancreport.com/report/the-phantom-s-300/
The photos I've seen indicate that the system (if really the same one) had indeed fired
off its missiles and was ready to move as its hydraulic stabilizers had been retracted, and
its radar panel folded. If the crew left the system uncamouflaged and were "standing around
smoking", that can suggest a number of different possibilities. It may indicate a breakdown
in discipline, but they may have been awaiting orders, or even had a mechanical breakdown en
route to a new location. Likely a combination. Who knows?
So, maybe not "part of the action" in the sense that it was actively targeting/firing at
incoming missiles, but definitely "part of the action" in the sense that it had been
obviously doing just that moments before. If its missiles and auto-cannon had seen some
successes, it may even be seen to have "won" rather than been part of a "clear defeat".
In any case, it seems that surprisingly little damage was done. The system was hit in the
front cab area and looked eminently repairable in the photos.
The SAA has seen some discipline problems in the field, and since a number of the the
general staff defected early in the war, a disjointed command & control system. Under
Russian tutelage, they're vastly better today than they were 2 years ago, but perhaps not
quite there yet. If the reports from late 2015 are to be believed, the Russians were very
frustrated with how the SAA operated, and basically had to impose discipline by threatening,
and then actually leaving.
My guess is that that's a large part of why the Russians are reluctant to provide potent
weapons such as the S300. The political implications of using them can outweigh their
military utility, and so must remain under strict control. If somebody starts shooting down
US or IL jets at stand-off distances, things can get uncomfortably complex very quickly. The
Russians don't need that to worry about along with everything else.
Russia and Russians will have to come to terms with the fact they are disliked in large parts
of Eastern Europe, with the possible exception of Serbia.
There are reasons for this, whether just or unjust.
The reaction to comment #1 which might be seen as sarcastic seems a case in point.
I am certain that unfortunate accidents like the coup in Ukraine might in the future be
avoided by a bit more self-awareness and awareness of massive prejudices inherited from an
often less than glorious past.
One has to see, however, that in the Ukrainian case, like in the Georgian case before,
Russia acted swiftly and decisively to reach a position which might be considered better than
the status quo ante before the Free West™ started its sheganigans. So perhaps the
awareness exists and the contingency planning is in place?
That is why I still have more than a little hope for Syria and by extension christendom in
Syria and Lebanon. All to often it is forgotten that these wars in Arabia are also wars
against the christion minorities in Arabia.
The Israeli goal remains to destroy the Syrian state, destroy Hezbollah and destroy Iran
as a regional rival. Israel does not need to do these things – claims that it
is under serious threat are outright propaganda lies. It wants to do them, in order
to gain in regional power over its rivals and increase further its impunity to continue and
escalate its ongoing settler colonization programs enabled by the US.
In fact it seems to go further. Planned Greater Israel expands territorially to include
Jordan, Lebanon, most of Syria, western Iraq (oil producing regions), all the Gulf States,
all northern Saudi Arabia (oil producing regions) and the Sinai and other parts of Egypt.
It's the Israeli Imperial dream of becoming a World Power and also controlling the world's
oil supply, somewhat analogous to Hitler's dream of a German World Empire based on
colonization of the East and a Greater Germany extending to the Urals.
Both are/were racist-Imperialist projects with the difference that the Germans tried to
realize the dream using their own military (insufficient) while the Israelis are trying to do
it using US forces.
How long the US plays along (or rather is intimidated into playing along) with this one
sided project is an open question – and there's clearly the issue of how Israel is
going to win these wars without troops on the ground. At least Hitler had most of his army in
Russia and detailed plans for post-war ethnic German settlement.
The Americans aren't going to fight more large scale ground wars in the Middle East and
Israeli/US proxy forces have failed – so that leaves the destruction of the Middle East
from the air – which doesn't really further the Greater Israel project. Political
control on the ground stays the same – generating even greater
anti-Israeli/anti-American sentiment (if that is possible).
Russia correctly opts to keep clear of this mess, and there is only negative blowback for
Israel and the United States – actually serving to isolate internally destabilize these
countries.
At the moment the Russians look either two-faced or weak (and perhaps they are both) in
the face of Israel. That's not a look Russia can afford to have come to be their
characterising feature, in the long run.
Yes, from certain perspectives it does indeed look like that, but I doubt many of us here
are very aware of the calculi being used at the state level, and especially of Russia's.
"Losing face" may be the equivalent of sacrificing a pawn.
There are some complex processes underway, involving a bewildering number of moving parts.
"Russiagate" is imploding in the US at an accelerating rate, heading for a constitutional
crisis. The 2 Koreas are cooking up a scheme between them (w/ support) to end the US'
domination of the W. Pacific. More critical than all, in my view, is Trump's abrogation of
the JCPOA. This has put the US on a trajectory at odds with its allies, and played directly
into the hands of its adversaries. As evidence of the latter, Merkel and Putin have met 2x in
May, and Germany's new foreign minister has also visited with Lavrov. It may well be the
geo-political tipping point.
Remembering Obama's & Kerry's words at the the time the JCPOA was agreed
Obama in Aug '15: "Instead of strengthening our position as some have suggested, Congress's rejection would
almost certainly result in multilateral sanctions unraveling We'd have to cut off countries
like China from the American financial system trigger(ing) severe disruptions in our own
economy and, by the way, rais(ing) questions internationally about the dollar's role as
the world's reserve currency. "
John Kerry, a few days later: "If we turn around and nix the deal and then tell them, 'you're going to have to obey our
rules and sanctions anyway,' that is a recipe, very quickly, for the American dollar to
cease to be the reserve currency of the world. "
With the EU now agreeing to transact with Iran in EURs, Obama's & Kerry's words look
to have been much more than hyperbole, "Losing face", in these circumstances may be nothing
more than what you do as you play rope-a-dope while the big guy punches himself out.
We shall see what happens after the World Cup.
I think that's colouring current events more than we give it credit for. It's an opportune
time for rogue nations to play games and throw tantrums, but I think a new set of rules will
be introduced after the show is over.
{Maybe it would have been better if the Germans had defeated and occupied Russia and
killed all the commies.}
Maybe it would have been much better for Nazis to have occupied whatever putrid swamp you
are from and killed off pond scum like you.
Nazis invaded Soviet Union in order to exterminate the Slavic peoples, the supposed
Untermenschen , take their fast, fertile lands, and populate them with the alleged
"Master Race".
Except they turned out to be somewhat less than "Master", because those
Untermenschen chased the pitiful remainders of the Nazi invaders all the way back to
Berlin, and those Untermenschen Red Army soldiers pissed on the ashes of the supposed
"Master Race" leader.
(Hitler's bloviations about Bolsheviks and all that was just a convenient excuse and to
snow his military who might be less than enthusiastic about murdering civilians of SU.)
btw: it is not too late for youse and your buddies to put on your uniforms, polish up your
jack-boots, grab your weapons .and invade Russia. Who know maybe youse will get lucky and
will get a gift wrapped Sarmat express -delivered right to your address.
"John Brennan, James Clapper and Admiral Rogers stage-managed a paper in January, 2017 that
asserted that the Intelligence Community believed various things about Russian government
tinkering with the US election (much as the US does in other countries' elections)".
Except that:
1. The paper's assertion was untrue (and known by the authors to be untrue). Far from "the
intelligence community" believing any such thing, it was eventually admitted that a handful
of picked individuals from three agencies (of the 16) had cautiously expressed that "belief"
– with the proviso that they acknowledged that they knew of no supporting evidence.
Presumably a handful of picked (and anonymous) individuals would be highly susceptible to
bribery, blackmail, or a combination of the two.
2. The sentence quoted does not make it clear that, whereas the US government routinely
manages and controls other countries' political affairs (it goes a very long way further than
"tinkering") the alleged Russian "tinkering" was on a tiny scale, and had nothing to do with
the Russian government.
An assertion is less than an allegation. Both have some factual basis, however little that
factual basis may be.
A belief is less than an assertion. A belief is based on faith. A factual basis is not
necessary.
In other words, the document was a leap of faith.
The biggest obstacle Donald Trump is
going to face in his upcoming negotiations with Kim Jong-un, is not Kim's unwillingness to abandon his
nuclear weapons program, but resistance from powerful elements in the foreign policy establishment who will
do everything they can to scuttle the agreement. We've already seen an example of this just this week when
US nuclear bombers were included in the US-Korea joint military drills that are currently underway in the
south. The B-52′s were clearly added to the massive "Max Thunder" exercises to provoke the DPRK leadership,
increase tensions, and convince Kim that it was pointless to trust Washington. The move was bitterly
criticized in North Korea's state media which summed up the situation like this:
"At a time when the DPRK-U.S. summit
is approaching, the U.S. has launched the largest ever drill involving B-52 strategic nuclear bomber,
F-22 Raptor stealth fighters and other nuclear strategic assets. This is an extremely provocative and
ill-boding act going against the trend for peace and security on the Korean peninsula .The extremely
adventurous 2018 Max Thunder joint air combat exercises are aimed at precision strike on key strategic
objects of the DPRK and the seizure of the air control together with the U.S ."
The North's assessment is entirely
correct. The drills are a simulation of a preemptive attack on North Korea that would annihilate the
military, level Pyongyang and "decapitate" the leadership. They are a deliberate provocation designed to
poison the atmosphere prior to the June 12 summit in Singapore. They're also a clear violation of the
Panmunjom Declaration which affirms the mutual commitment of the North and South "to completely cease all
hostile acts against each other in every domain, including land, air and sea, that are the source of
military tension and conflict." (Panmunjom Declaration)
What we'd like to know is whether Trump
was consulted about the drills? Did he give the go-ahead? Was it his decision to tweak Kim's nose after Kim
had just made a number of conciliatory gestures including the total banning of nuclear weapons and ballistic
missiles tests, the returning of three US prisoners to US custody, and meeting with leaders in the south in
order to end hostilities and normalize relations? Is Trump responsible for this diplomatic disaster?
Of course not. Trump's objectives are
completely clear. He wants to win the Nobel Prize and he wants to be recognized as a foreign policy genius,
both of which are within his grasp if he persuades Kim to ditch his nukes. Trump does not want to provoke
Kim who, so far, has acted in good faith. He wants to cut a deal with him. The exercises represent the
interests of some other constituency, some deeper faction within the national security state who have a
stake in the outcome of future negotiations. They want the talks to fail so they can preserve the status
quo. They want a divided Korea that "languishes in a permanent state of colonial dependency". That works
just fine for them, which is why the military drills were not postponed or cancelled. It's also why John
Bolton has been making incendiary comments about the "Libya model", and why the media has been fueling
public pessimism while misrepresenting US position. According to many media reports, the North will be
expected to 'totally decommission its nuclear weapons, missiles and biochemical weapons' without any
immediate compensation.
That's not the deal. That's never been
the deal. No one on the North Korean side ever said that Washington was going to get something for nothing.
And it's not going to happen either. Kim is looking for a tradeoff, a decommissioning of his nuclear weapons
in exchange for basic security guarantees. That's the deal.
So who's spreading all these false rumors
and what is their objective? Here's more from North Korea's state media:
"The U.S. is miscalculating the
magnanimity of the DPRK as signs of weakness and trying to embellish and advertise as if these are the
product of its sanctions and pressure.
The U.S. is trumpeting as if it would
offer economic compensation and benefit in case we abandon nukes. But we have never had any expectation
of U.S. support in carrying out our economic construction and will not make such a deal in future .
If the Trump administration takes an
approach to the DPRK-U.S. summit with sincerity for improved DPRK-U.S. relations, it will receive a
deserved response from us. However, if the U.S. is trying to drive us into a corner to force our
unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in such dialogue and cannot but
reconsider our proceeding to the DPRK-U.S. summit." (End of statement)
The North doesn't want Washington's
money or its economic inducements. The North wants assurances that the US will not attack it in the future.
That's it. That's what Kim wants. He wants an end to the hostilities so he can move ahead with a regional
economic-integration plan that will draw the two Koreas closer together, end the North's isolation,
strengthen the North's economy, and pave the way for prosperity. In other words, Kim is offering to give up
his nuclear weapons to (essentially) get Washington off its back and out of its hair.
None of this has anything to do with
Trump's absurd "maximum pressure" campaign, which had no impact on Kim's decision at all. The North is not
motivated by Trump's hysterical threats of "total destruction", but by a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to
emerge from its long-term seclusion and become an active participant in an ambitious economic integration
plan that will link North and South Korea to the rest of Asia via massive infrastructure and energy
projects. The only catch to this proposal, is that the DPRK must abandon its nuclear weapons program and
agree to resolve its issues with Seoul. In other words, Kim's eagerness to denuclearize is not an attempt to
placate Washington, but an effort to meet the minimal requirements of his economic partners in Beijing,
Moscow and Seoul.
The United States is not central to the
critical economic-political developments on the peninsula, in fact, the region is making a concerted effort
to sever its ties with Washington by creating a giant free trade zone that will connect the region through "
large trilateral infrastructural and energy projects," to Japan, Southeast Asia, Central Asia and Europe.
Check this out from the Kremlin website:
"The Korean Government has recently
created the Northern Economic Cooperation Committee This has completed the creation of a management
system that will make Korea the leader in the development of the Far East. The Committee is tasked with
strengthening economic cooperation with Northeast Asian and Eurasian countries. In the future,
cooperation between the Committee and Russia's Far Eastern Federal District and the Ministry for the
Development of the Russian Far East will play a key role in the development of the Far East.
Next year, we will create a
Korean-Russian Regional Cooperation Forum. It should bolster contacts between regional governments in
Korea and the Russian Far East. Cooperation channels between regional economic communities and small and
medium-sized businesses will greatly expand contacts between people and promote practical cooperation ..
The North Korean nuclear and missile
ambitions are the biggest threat to the development of the huge potential of the Korean Peninsula and the
Russian Far East. This is why we have come to the conclusion that this problem must be settled as soon as
possible." (Kremlin website)
See what's going on? Kim has been asked
to choose between prosperity or nukes, and he has wisely chosen prosperity. He has decided to participate in
a common economic space that allows commerce to flourish without the bulk of the profits to be siphoned off
by the voracious western corporations. Is it any wonder why powerful members of the foreign policy
establishment want to torpedo the plan?
The integration plan is not some
pie-in-the-sky apparition, but a broad and detailed economic blueprint for regional development; power
plants, highways, high-speed rail, and pipeline corridors. It's the whole nine yards. Here's more from The
South China Morning Post:
"President Moon Jae-in gave the
North's leader Kim Jong-un a USB drive containing a "New Economic Map of the Korean Peninsula" at the
fortified border village of Panmunjom on April 27. The initiative included three economic belts – one
connecting the west coast of the peninsula to China, making the region a centre of logistics; one
connecting the east coast to Russia for energy cooperation and one on the current border to promote
tourism.
"The new economic map includes
railway links between the two Koreas and China's northeast stretching all the way to Europe ."
"The plan would have a huge impact on China's northeastern region as it would transform the region as a
centre of logistics in East Asia, which could function as a driving force for the rapid economic growth
of the region .A railway connection would bring a myriad of investments from overseas and would help the
economy take off."
Yet observers added that the
initiatives were dependent on Kim accepting Seoul's definition of denuclearisation – namely the complete,
verifiable and irreversible dismantling of the North's nuclear programme." (The South China Morning Post)
Kim must denuclearize in order to take
advantage of this unprecedented opportunity, which is why he is eager to make hefty concessions to Trump
while getting very little in return. Think about it: Trump gets the nukes and the Nobel Prize while Kim gets
a lousy piece of paper with Washington's guarantees for security. That's a great deal for Trump but not a
very good deal for Kim. Even so, Kim is prepared to cooperate in order to meet his obligations and move
forward with an economic plan that will strengthen his economy and improve the lives of his people. He's
making the right choice.
Some of Trump's deep state opponents
probably think that they can derail Kim's plans by sabotaging the June 12th Summit. But that's not entirely
true. Kim does not need to reach an agreement with Trump, he merely has to convince his main trading
partner, Beijing, that he's made a sincere effort that was rejected by an unreasonable and tyrannical
Washington. If Kim proves that he's willing to go the extra mile for peace– by offering to decommission his
nuclear arsenal– then Beijing is going to reward his behavior by easing the sanctions and restoring the
DPRK's economic lifeline. Bottom line: Kim is going to win one way or another.
In my opinion, the cat-n-mouse game Kim
is playing with Trump is a bit of a ruse because, in truth, Kim is going to have to give up his nukes
whether he makes a deal with Trump or not. As we said earlier, Moscow, Beijing and Seoul have all made
denuclearization a basic requirement for participation in their economic integration plan, so it's a done
deal. Kim is going to have to abandon his nuclear weapons. The fact is, Russia and China don't want the
smaller, surrounding nations to have nukes any more than the US wants Mexico, Canada or Cuba to have them.
It dramatically impacts regional security.
Finally, it wouldn't surprise me if
Washington's deep state powerbrokers are more concerned about the proposed regional free trade zone, then
they are about the North's nuclear weapons. In order for the US to be a major player in the most populous
and prosperous region in the world, it must implement its "pivot to Asia" strategy that controls China's
explosive growth and prevents the emergence of an economic or military rival. The so called "Putin Plan" for
vast economic integration is a direct threat to Washington's dream of maintaining its dominant position in
the global economy. If successfully implemented, the Putin Plan will greatly accelerate the pace of imperial
decline.
North Korea has been trying to cut a peace deal for decades, but our Deep State blocks all such efforts. I
documented the wasteful and aggressive efforts of US Army generals to thwart peace in a series of articles.
This was the latest:
The MIC will be under tremendous amount of pressure from the American people if it didn't create phony and
perceived enemies by propaganda! The MIC knows that if it didn't do that the military budget will erode over
time meaning less money in the MIC pockets!
So far, I don't see any indication that Washington knows how to deal with this threat.
America
pivots away from Atlantacist doctrine.
America turns away from finance capitalism (state sponsored usury) and resurrects the "American System"
of Peshine Smith and Henry Clay. The American System is internal growth using Industrial Capitalism, where
Treasury Money (not corporate bank credit) channels into the commons and industry.
In other words, America resurrects Constitutional Money and Industry. This type of economy was at the
birth of the U.S., especially in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania colonies.
America can make all it needs internally, it doesn't need Atlantacist "ship-borne" movement of minerals
and goods. America is a continental country like Russia with everything it needs.
Island countries like U.K. need "Atlantacist" doctrine to control the world. BIZWOG (Britain and Israel
World Government) is the core of Atlantacism, not the U.S.
Oligarchs in America who benefit from the Atlantacist system will have to be ejected by force. A good
parasite makes its host think said parasite is beneficial.
I suppose Kim understand quite well that giving away his atomic bombs and missiles is the beginning of his
end like Saddam and Ghadaffi.
In the good old days deposed dictators went to their south of France mansions and died in their beds.
The USA changed this custom.
This change does have repercussions.
A USA at crossroads, dominating the world or not, causes much uncertainty in the world.
The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government attempted
to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they'd have an excuse to fire back
and invade.
Bolton's comments about "Libya" were a transparent attempt to scuttle the deal. He knew that the N.
Korean leadership had watched the tapes of Qaddafi being killed; N. Korea directly stated that Libya was the
reason for them developing nukes, so Bolton knew how the comments would be taken. He was hoping to sneak
them by unnoticed. Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say "we need to be willing to walk away from
negotiations." That's what they are hoping for.
I think the author might be saying that Kim might cut out Trump from all de-nuke talks and
instead go around him.
In this case, Kim would ignore Trump and the US altogether and turn his nukes over to China. China and
Russia would give security guarantees to N Korea which is worth a million times more than a US guarantee and
China and Russia have a clear incentive to back it up.
Meanwhile the US and especially Trump would look bad. Trump would be viewed as having a Nobel prize
within his grasp but bungling it at the goal line while letting China and Russia steal his thunder.
The US, if they tried any funny business, would look really bad. What could they do amyway?
Ironically, it could actually be Kim that gets the Nobel prize instead. Lol if it goes down that way.
Great article.
As per usual, msm misrepresents reality of Nth Korea's reaction to military drills: no mention of the added
full compliment of strategic air force. Failure to properly explain the meaning of "Libyia solution". No
wonder the Nth questions the competence & good faith of the Sth.
I believe its time for China-Russia etc to come out of the shadows: how can the Nth agree to discarding its
nuclear shield without security guarantees from its friends ? That the US can't be trusted with its enemies
-- OR its friends is obvious to all but the self-interested & the fanatic.
Here, no doubt is the problem as the rulers of the USA see it.
[Kim] wants an end to the hostilities so he can move ahead with a regional economic-integration plan
that will draw the two Koreas closer together, end the North's isolation, strengthen the North's economy,
and pave the way for prosperity.
None of that must be allowed to happen unless it's under the authority of our jealous commercial and
political G-ds. It's essentially the big reason for all US involvement in foreign wars since 1898 if not
earlier. Probably the big reason for the Lincoln's War of Northern Bankers Against Southern Planters as
well.
What was needed to make the world safe for peace, [the old liberals] argued, was to implement economic
freedom, free trade and goodwill among the nations, and popular government. I want to stress the
importance of both of these requirements: free trade at home and in international relations, and
democracy.
The fateful error of our age has consisted in the fact that it dropped the first of these
requirements, namely free trade, and emphasized only the second one, political democracy.
In doing
so, people ignored the fact that democracy cannot be permanently maintained when free enterprise, free
trade, and economic freedom do not exist.
I would also add that people ignored the fact that peace cannot be permanently maintained when free
enterprise, free trade, and economic freedom do not exist and I believe that's the point Mises was making.
Neither can peace be maintained when we allow ignorant crackpots to pilot the ship, and that's what "we've"
been doing since the institution of the so called "democratic republic."
Also, I'm not a huge fan of democracy, especially for a large state, and there should be no large states
especially world government. All states claim a monopoly on force and all inevitably lead to political and
economic slavery. They are not compatible with either freedom or peace.
Oops, I should have read further before posting my comment, above.
Mike already made the point and is spot
on, here
He has decided to participate in a common economic space that allows commerce to flourish without the
bulk of the profits to be siphoned off by the voracious western corporations. Is it any wonder why
powerful members of the foreign policy establishment want to torpedo the plan?
The same kind of thing happened back during the Cuban Missile Crisis: elements of the government
attempted to provoke the Soviets into attacking American reconnaissance aircraft so they'd have an excuse
to fire back and invade.
True, and there is a pattern.
" this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue
of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or
not entirely the truth.
If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask
questions, and searching questions "
Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Time
Mr. Rothbard was an American Jew and an historian of the very highest caliber.
"So far, I don't see any indication that Washington knows how to deal with this threat."
Sure they do: They plan to act like the proverbial chess-playing pigeon, wings-a-flapping, knocking down
all the pieces, and shitting all over the board.
They will keep emphasizing the grave threat the Norks pose to the American people, they will ratchet up
sanctions on the nations that "prop up" the Nork regime by trade (though they will continue to be lenient to
South Korea as long as it buys US arms), they will start locking those other nations out of SWIFT, etc., and
ultimately they will strike to decapitate the Norks, even if they have to go it alone. They are banking on
the belief that the Chinese and South Koreans will stand down in the face of all of our awesomeness.
It's not the
Libya Plan
, it's the
Chile Plan
. Trump promises Kim he can be
Dictator for
Life
, like Putin and Trump if he has his druthers and Xi too, if he promises to drop his
Nuke Program
.
This is where the world is headed. The
Post Carbon World
is to be divvied up into
Fiefdoms
run
by
Oligarch Tyrants
and they all belong to the
Consortium
known as
The Worldwide Oligarch
Network
. A
Confederacy
of
Oligarchic Fiefdoms
.
In otherwords, a giant
Global Plantation
of sorts.
Here's yah julip, Massa Hawkins, all minty & frosty, jus like you like it!!
Get accustomed to saying that or something akin to it because it's coming to a theater near you in the
not-too-distant future.
See what's going on? Kim has been asked to choose between prosperity or nukes, and he has wisely
chosen prosperity. He has decided to participate in a common economic space that allows commerce to
flourish without the bulk of the profits to be siphoned off by the voracious western corporations. Is it
any wonder why powerful members of the foreign policy establishment want to torpedo the plan?
Stop with this nonsense. Yes, you're correct, Kim doesn't want that prosperity siphoned off by
Western
Corporations
. Why? Because he and his cronies will be doing the siphoning, thank you very much. Let's
not paint this tyrant as a
Goody Two Shoes
, because he's not.
Fyi, my criticism of Kim doesn't mean I agree with threatening North Korea or that I agree with how the
Western Foreign Policy Establishment
has treated North Korea historically. What it means is, there
are no
Good Guys
in this equation. They're ALL
Bad Guys
.
The biggest obstacle Donald Trump is going to face in his upcoming negotiations with Kim Jong-un, is not
Kim's unwillingness to abandon his nuclear weapons program, but resistance from powerful elements in the
foreign policy establishment of China who will use Trump's desire for a foriegn policy success to weaken the
trade agreement so China can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West .
Kim put Trump in the land of the promised, then went back on his word to get Trump to concede on trade,
and of course Trump is doing just that. The deep state will sell out the long term interests of their
country in the name of security consideration. Politicians want to get that foreign policy coup, which the
North Koreans are perennially dangling. They Koreans will never give up the nukes that China effectively
gave them unless the Chinese order them to, and that will only happen isTrump completely sells out the US on
trade. The US would not dare attack North Korea and risk Chinese military intervention AGAIN. China is
holding all the cards unless Trump just refuses to play diplomatic dupe to decepticon Korea (north and south
for South Korea also wants access to the Western market) . Korean diplomacy basically consists of giving
America false hope. The best thing is would be to leave North Koreato stew in their own juice, and impose
tariffs on China, Japan and South Korea too. They are all aggressor states.
How courteous is the Japanese;
He always says, "Excuse it, please."
He climbs into his neighbor's garden,
And smiles, and says, "I beg your pardon";
He bows and grins a friendly grin,
And calls his hungry family in;
He grins, and bows a friendly bow;
"So sorry, this my garden now."
Trump is a puppet of the Zionists who are the controllers of every facet of the U.S. gov and these
warmongers want the America people kept in a world of continual hysteria and war to further the Zionist goal
of a NWO.
The zionist warmongers created the wars in the mideast by Israels attack on 911 and blaming it
on the muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq and thus started the bombing and invasion of these countries and then
the zionists included Syria and followed their plan of regime change in 7 countries , all for the greater
Israeli goal and their NWO goal.
If anyone doubts that Israel and their zionist dual citizens control the U.S. gov , just remember they
did 911 and got away with it.
Assuming all of this isn't merely "drama queening" for the nobel prize gambit. And I have my suspicions that
it is.
An article that posits as major contention a Nobel peace prize for this president is not going to
taken seriously by me.
As for the joint exercises -- and the President's ignorance, that's a very hard sell. No sale at all. At
this juncture that President Moon Jae-in did not put a halt of a postponement on the matter leaves his
decision making in doubt. Certainly there are those in S. Korea and the US who prefer to maintain the status
quo. But neither President Trump nor President Moon get to cry foul play by their subordinates on this
question.
The US has shrifted North Korea before on the question of disarmament.
This all smells like Kabuki theater of sorts. My subordinates made me do it in this case does not wok for
me. -- laugh. Given the lean on the use of force, I suspect that the admin wanted to make a show of force to
the point and if I buy any this -- it backfired.
Yeah the Deep State. Isn't it ridiculous, even Trumps own advisers are sidetracking him. Trump and the
Chinese president should make
a grand bargain
. Denuclearize Korea, help them unify make a 100 mile
wide demilitarized zone against the Chinese border and reduce and keep US forces well south of the current
DMZ or get them out completely. Let the Koreans, mostly the South pay, for the unification.
Think about it: Trump gets the nukes and the Nobel Prize while Kim gets a lousy piece of paper with
Washington's guarantees for security. That's a great deal for Trump but not a very good deal for Kim.
I'm sure there's something missing from your formula, Mike. In order for this deal to make sense from a
N. Korean perspective, they would have to have been extended security guarantees by China, Russia, or
perhaps both. Washington's promises aren't worth jack. Go ask Iran. Hell, go ask Libya.
Bolton is doing his job, being the neocon mouthpiece. His bosses figured out that in order for NK to denuke,
the US might have to demilitarize in S.Korea altogether, while China will reap the benefit of modernizing
NK. Neocons need to constraint China as much as possible. They do not accept a multi-polar world.
Trump again shows himself as the weak minded fool controlled by neocons. He is blaming China for this
fall out, instead of his own generals for staging the unnecessary military exercises and John Bolton for his
maniacal zeal to create trouble the world over.
China who will use Trump's desire for a foreign policy success to weaken the trade agreement so China
can continue deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West.
Any kind of trade agreement can be reneged upon at any time; so, extorting concessions on trade cannot be
a long-term strategy. China isn't "deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West" – the West is doing
it all to itself; and it doesn't really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany,
and Taiwan is humming along just fine. Within Europe for example the common currency has done much more
damage in this regard than the Chinese.
It is clear that China doesn't see trade with the U.S. as the foundation of future prosperity, but
instead focuses on trade with
everyone else
, particularly in Eurasia and Africa; kind of like a
reverse Monroe doctrine. As part of that strategy, they want to push the U.S. out of Korea, and they are
probably quite prepared to cut their losses if the Americans choose to respond by severing financial and
trade relations. It is very clear that the U.S. are unable and unwilling to engage in honest dealings with
anyone anyway.
In order for this deal to make sense from a N. Korean perspective, they would have to have been
extended security guarantees by China, Russia, or perhaps both. Washington's promises aren't worth jack.
Precisely, and they likely already have obtained those guarantees (whatever
they
may be worth).
The North Koreans (in coordination with China and Russia) are trying to trade their nukes for a complete
U.S. withdrawal from South Korea.
convince Kim that it was pointless to trust Washington.
Because Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran, and just
about everything else the US has done was not enough. If anyone is stupid enough to trust Washington, they
deserve what's coming to them.
It's possible that Kim's own military might force him to pull out of this de-nuke proposal. They'd be giving
up their one major deterrent in return for promises of riches which may never be delivered. Their fears of
being double-crossed are grounded in reality. Also, a Korea that's unified may not be desired by other
countries. It might become too much of a regional power and want to ease the US out. The calculation may be
that it's best to continue to see it divided and at loggerheads with each other. What's good for the Koreans
may not be considered good for other interested parties.
The biggest obstacle Trump will face is non-trustworthiness of the US. One agreement with the NK was already
reached more than 10 years ago, and the US pulled out of it under Bush Jr. Now the US pulled out of the Iran
deal. Basically, the US consistently demonstrates that it is useless to come to any agreements with it, as
it cannot be trusted to abide by them. That's yet another example that no enemy did as much damage to the US
as its own governments (all of them).
Ol' Ben commented to the effect that scum floats to the top in politics and bad government. He should
have added that "bad government" is a redundancy, since all of them are all bad too.
The best guarantee of security, of course, is to have a nuclear deterrent. A US promise not to attack would
be a poor substitute. America's main concern is that NK not sell arms to Iran or Syria, thereby menacing
Israel. If Kim formally agrees to that, maybe we can make a deal. It's largely up to China, since we don't
want to fight them in order to get rid of Kim.
Bolton's role may well be to scare Kim. He's pretty scary.
In general the bad guys are telling Trump to bargain away the MAGA agenda in return for traditional
Republican goals, e.g. tax cuts for the rich and anything that is good for Israel, such as an NK that can't
sell WMD to Iran. Since Trump is all too willing to go along. The RINOs and the Big Donors always win
because money talks louder than votes, or that's the way professional politicians insist on looking at it.
Beautifully done Mike W! Your writing is so clear and compact. The question remains as to how far the US
will go to stop the peace and prosperity process from unfolding in Korea? Are the neocons crazy enough to
attack N. Korea? We can only stay tuned
"Welcome, President Trump, to the infuriating, indecipherable game of North Korean nuclear diplomacy,"
says CNN's Stephen Collinson. An "unexpected series of threats" has "threatened to nix next month's
planned summit in Singapore between Trump and North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un". Kim lashed out at
US-South Korea military drills, cancelled a high-level meeting with South Korean officials, and warned
that there was "little point" in the US summit if the White House was going to require its nuclear
arsenal to be dismantled "up front".
Korean diplomacy is underrated As Mearshimer says, following the treaty of "Kang-wah (February 1876),
which opened three Korean ports to Japan . Neither Japan nor Russia was able to gain the upper hand in
Korea, mainly because Korean policymakers skillfully played the two great powers off against each other ".
Eventually the Russia-Japan war resulted and you could make an argument that WW1 (and even 2) stemmed from
the Russian deterrent being removed from the international equation in 1905.
China proved to the US it would not stand for North Korea being crushed, and the US would not dare test
that again. In 2000, China openly threatened the US mainland with a nuclear strike in any war over Taiwan
declaring independence.
China isn't "deindustrialising Ameraica and the rest of the West" – the West is doing it all to
itself; and it doesn't really affect all Western countries: the industry in South Korea, Germany, and
Taiwan
China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialize
itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and there is more
resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated
area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.
South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are happy to have the North Korean nuke menace ,
North Korean nuclear distraction has long had unwelcome ramifications way beyond military policy.
Repeatedly since the Clinton era, it has cramped Washington's style on international trade, for instance.
And trade, of course, is absolutely central to the new administration's program.
It is fair to say that all the more important East Asian nations have a vested interest in
exaggerating the North Korean threat. The more terrifying North Korea is made to appear, the more
desperately Washington will seek out advice and help from China, Japan, and South Korea. That tends to
ensure that trade talks with these mercantilist nations are consigned to the backburner.
Moreover at times of tension, Pentagon officials inevitably take charge. As the East Asians have
gleefully realized for generations, the Pentagon is a remarkably soft touch on trade, and in return for
the merest hortatory support for its military objectives will pull the rug from under the most carefully
conceived plans drawn up elsewhere in Washington to get East Asia to open up.,/b>
The business class of the West love the returns they get in China, they are not going to switch to
investing in the West, but rather will wait out the era of Trump, whereupon the investing in China will
resume apace. It won't be possible to slow the growth of China down and so America will be eclipsed. The
military won't be much use then, because China will have bigger and better toys.
Thee is a logical hole in the article that I was going to leave alone -- but as yet no one else noted it, I
will.
The article pushes some press for a nobel peace prize *that really bugs me -- I voted and have
defended this president, even being called a moral reprobate and utterly unchristian in doing so.
Despite the press for this so called prize. The author never states what the president contributed to the
peace process the than the president's contend of "massive pressure." But in this the article athe cleanly
indicates no such pressure had any effect. If the pressure failed, I am unclear why thee is any talk at all
about nobel awards.
This president has done one monumental shift in our North Korean policy -- open and direct talks including
both heads of state and staff. While long over due and laudable -- one of the jobs of the white house is
manage policy to our advantage that taps down on the use of force. It doesn't take a genius IQ to figure out
direct talks is a key step in that process. And as such requires no special recognition. I took a look at
why President Roosevelt received a novel peace prize -- and if that is the model neither Presidents on the
this or the previous administration should be so honored.
If they have removed the bombers, it's a double fault. The response should have been.
We conducted these exercises routinely as preparation for the unfortunate worst case scenario. And while
we are disappointed our routine has been misinterpreted -- It is our intention to proceed forward in peace
negotiations.
North Korea's sudden nuclear and ICBM twin leap is a function of how useful China finds it to have Trump
asking them for help. North Korea does nothing on its own account.
The smart money wants to be in China
that is where the big returns are, so business is waiting out Trump. Subordinating the well being of the
nation's population to profit is called economic rationality. The alternative is called fascism. Trump does
not have the popular support to go against economic rationality.
Toys don't win wars, people do. In Afghanistan, the US and NATO troops with all their fancy toys are scared
to stick their noses out of the bases, whereas Taliban with medieval mindset and automatic rifles roam the
country freely.
China is deindustrialising the West The business class of the West love the returns they get in
China, they are not going to switch to investing in the West
So whose fault is it – China's, or the Western capitalists? Pick one.
Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being deindustrialized itself by China. The EU single
market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a Germany dominated area. the capital goods
China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.
The EU common market as such wasn't a problem; as long as each European country had its own currency that
was allowed to float, the trade imbalance problem was mitigated. It was the Euro, which was foisted on
Germany by the French as a price for their consent to German reunification, that caused the trade imbalances
within Europe to explode.
But with or without the Euro, Germany's manufacturing sector will survive and thrive. China's labour cost
advantage over Germany will vanish, just like Japan's did. Just wait and see.
Cannon fodder wins wars. The first born tend to be cleverer and less likely to fight because they get and
inherit the best of everything (including first place in the womb).. There are a lot of big families in
Afghanistan. Many young men of the burgeoning population are second sons and are thus reckless. The Taliban
roam and die freely, but there are a lot of them growing up and stepping into the place of the dead,.
the Trump/Kim meeting was not instituted by the USG. China, Russia, and SK have all been in negotiation with
Kim, and they all realize that the USG word is essentially worthless. I suspect Kim has agreed with his
neighbors to de-nuclearize in return for some robust security agreements along with the opening of trade in
the region. The U.S. will need to think hard and long about doing anything to disrupt what is essentially a
regional policy shift. I think Trump has been invited along on the ride just to stroke his and the USG's
sense of self importance. The world is changing, and the future lies in the east. Unfortunately, too many of
those behind the curtain controlling USG foreign policy are too blinded by their arrogance and hubris to
realize that, and instead of welcoming a peaceful multi-centered world, will continue on their chosen path
of aggression, demands and sanctions until we become the isolated one.
Since President Moon Jae-in has been working in this matte with North Korea for more than twenty yeas, I
find it hard to believe he intends to allow an opportunity to slip by based on training routine exercises.
Trump was elected to punish both, so a lot of Americans apparently blame both.
The EU common market as such wasn't a problem; as long as each European country had its own
currency that was allowed to float, the trade imbalance problem was mitigated.
At the cost of throwing people out a job, which only worked when people knew things would eventually get
better. Things are not going to get better for the lower orders of West, they are good and getting better
for the financial elite and China.
But with or without the Euro, Germany's manufacturing sector will survive and thrive. China's
labour cost advantage over Germany will vanish, just like Japan's did. Just wait and see
.
China is 10 times larger than Japan, hence the economies of scale are probably going to become more
salient than labour costs (there is a new factory complex in China making laptops that has a bigger
workforce than the British Army). German
business
are going to do well out of China's rise. American
business have no objection to China making everything and America being supreme in financial services.
Unfortunately the country would become weaker than China while a substantial part of the population became
increasingly disgusted with their lot in life (in real terms worse of than their parents). The majority
ethnic population and state institutions must object to a policy that creates ever increasing numbers of
unemployed and ignores state power for the profit of a minority. Therefore the people (there a
lot
of
them) and the deep state are diverging from the business community–increasingly seen as an fifth column with
interest in destroying the country as a nation-state. But nation states are a thing with emergent properties
not found in their parts. Hence untrammeled capitalism with money sloshing around the world wrecking states
and the people who make up nations is a fundamentally unstable system that leads to ethnic nationalism and
militarism. The deep nation-state is nothing you can put your finger on. but at bay it will turn on the
business elite and try to wrest control from them.
Meanwhile, neocons like William Krystal say "we need to be willing to walk away from negotiations."
That's what they are hoping for.
Sorry but the Jew's trash talking days are over. There is NO there
there!
The Jew is losing his power. Truth is starting to gain strength. The world's attitude is turning away
from Jew coercion, through their control of the US government.
Jew power is a function of US government power. And US power is losing out, all around the world.
Trump's overbearing, tuff talking sing-song, is losing its steam. Bolton's big mouth has complicated the
NKorea nuke deal. He illustrates to the world, the dishonesty of the US foreign policy under Jew control.
The Israeli embassy deal was a total embarrassment. Innocent blood was flowing as Jarrad and Ivanka were
speaking their hollow words. Gaza innocence won the day.
Europe is fighting to preserve the Iran nuke deal. They are passing laws to protect their businesses from
US sanctions. China and Russia are stepping up with deals to counter Trump's Jew favoring sanctions.
The world does not revolve around the US any more. The US elites still did not realize that – they
degenerated too much after 1991. However, some of the US vassals are even more deluded than the US elites.
Grown up Europeans (like Germany, France, and even the UK) are learning, judging by their refusal to follow
the US lead on the Iranian deal, which is totally illegal from the point of view of the international law
(when there was one, before it was repeatedly trampled by the US). But the pathetic inconsequential poodles,
like Poland, Ukraine, and Baltic vaudeville states, refuse to learn. More fools them.
China is deindustrialising the West , and Germany is deindustrialsing Europe while being
deindustrialize itself by China . The only difference is that the process started later in Germany and
there is more resistance. The EU single market is a barrier to non EU trade and is about creating a
Germany dominated area. the capital goods China uses are bought from Germany in a great many cases.
How is China deindustrializing Germany if the EU is a barrier to non EU trade? You don't see many US,
Japanese, or Chinese goods in Europe.
Trump's objectives are completely clear. He wants to win the Nobel Prize and he wants to be recognized
as a foreign policy genius
Trumps chances of being recognized as any kind of genius by intelligent people are slim and none.
That's not the deal. That's never been the deal. No one on the North Korean side ever said that
Washington was going to get something for nothing. And it's not going to happen either. Kim is looking
for a tradeoff, a decommissioning of his nuclear weapons in exchange for basic security guarantees.
That's the deal.
If Kim has any intelligence at all he will demand full denuclearization of the Korean peninsula (South
Korea has had US nuclear weapons stationed there for decades) and removal of all US military personnel and
material.
US guarantees are worthless.
North Korea's demands are pretty clear: a formal end to the Korean War and a peace treaty with the US, and
the removal of the US military from the Korean peninsula.
These demands are supported by China and many South Koreans. They're opposed by Japan and some South
Korean conservatives. I don't think your notion that China, North Korea, South Korea, and Japan are all
aligned on the North Korea issue is true.
If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign
policy adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea's demands. This
would also, by the way, satisfy Russia. You would only upset Japan and some South Korean hardliners.
So why doesn't the US make a deal that agrees to NK's demands, satisfies most of the parties involved and
many Trump supporters and Americans? Clearly Trump, being an astute negotiator and businessman with an
instinct for what people like and is popular, is inclined towards such a deal. Obviously what's holding the
US back from such a deal are American foreign policy hawks and the deep state, who want to maintain the US
military presence globally.
Kim's laughing his ass off. Americans are so stoopid. What makes anyone think NK will go out of it's way to
get along with the US? Why would they? Kim's doing just fine and he has Trump as jester to amuse him. I'm
sure he's enjoying the hell out of this.
Trump's fans really thought he had the Nobel sewed up. That's really funny. What's funnier is they think
he's helping them.
All of these morons ripe for milking. I should have become a preacher and had an easy, rich life.
"If the US wanted to satisfy most of the parties here, and satisfy the isolationists and anti-foreign policy
adventurers that supported Trump, then obviously the US would agree to North Korea's demands. This would
also, by the way, satisfy Russia. You would only upset Japan and some South Korean hardliners."
As someone
who supports this admin and the agenda that was advanced during the campaign, you description is fa afield
from why I voted. I am not an isolationist, though the county could use some minding its own affairs for a
time. Nor was my vote premised on being anti-foreign policy. In fact, I have never head of anyone being
anti-foreign policy. A policy less reliant on the use of force as its main thrust was and is the issue.
,
Trump acts as a bully. That might work in some cases, but probably not in NK case...
Notable quotes:
"... North Korea wants a step-by-step approach, each concession by Pyongyang to be met by a U.S. concession. And Bolton sitting beside Trump, and across the table from Kim Jong Un in Shanghai, may be inhibiting. ..."
"... If we expected Kim to commit at Singapore to Bolton's demand for "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization," and a swift follow-through, we were deluding ourselves. ..."
After Pyongyang railed this week that the
U.S.-South Korean Max Thunder military drills were a rehearsal for an invasion of the North, and imperiled
the Singapore summit, the Pentagon dialed them back.
The B-52 exercises alongside F-22 stealth
fighters were canceled.
But Pyongyang had other objections.
Sunday, NSC adviser John Bolton spoke of
a "Libyan model" for the North's disarmament, referring to Moammar Gadhafi's surrender of all his weapons of
mass destruction in 2004. The U.S. was invited into Libya to pick them up and cart
them off, whereupon sanctions were lifted.
As Libya was subsequently attacked by
NATO and Gadhafi lynched, North Korea denounced Bolton and all this talk of the "Libyan model" of unilateral
disarmament.
North Korea wants a step-by-step
approach, each concession by Pyongyang to be met by a U.S. concession. And Bolton sitting beside Trump, and
across the table from Kim Jong Un in Shanghai, may be inhibiting.
What was predictable and predicted has
come to pass.
If we expected Kim to commit at Singapore
to Bolton's demand for "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization," and a swift follow-through,
we were deluding ourselves.
At Singapore, both sides will have
demands, and both will have to offer concessions, if there is to be a deal.
What does Kim Jong Un want?
An end to U.S. and South Korean military
exercises and sanctions on the North, trade and investment, U.S. recognition of his regime, a peace treaty,
and the eventual removal of U.S. bases and troops.
He is likely to offer an end to the
testing of nuclear weapons and long-range missiles, no transfer of nuclear weapons or strategic missiles to
third powers, a drawdown of troops on the DMZ, and the opening of North Korea's borders to trade and travel.
As for his nuclear weapons and the
facilities to produce them, these are Kim's crown jewels. These brought him to the attention of the world
and the Americans to the table. These are why President Trump is flying 10,000 miles to meet and talk with
him.
And, unlike Gadhafi, Kim is not going to
give them up.
Assuming the summit comes off June 12,
this is the reality Trump will face in Singapore: a North Korea willing to halt the testing of nukes and
ICBMs and to engage diplomatically and economically.
As for having Americans come into his
country, pick up his nuclear weapons, remove them and begin intrusive inspections to ensure he has neither
nuclear bombs nor the means to produce, deliver or hide them, that would be tantamount to a surrender by
Kim.
Trump is not going to get that. And if
he adopts a Bolton policy of "all or nothing," he is likely to get nothing at all.
Yet, thanks to Trump's threats and
refusal to accept a "frozen conflict" on the Korean peninsula, the makings of a real deal are present, if
Trump does not make the perfect the enemy of the good.
For there is nothing North Korea is
likely to demand that cannot be granted, as long as the security of South Korea is assured to the degree
that it can be assured, while living alongside a nuclear-armed North.
Hence, when Kim cavils or balks in
Singapore, as he almost surely will, at any demand for a pre-emptive surrender of his nuclear arsenal, Trump
should have a fallback position.
If we cannot have everything we want,
what can we live with?
Moreover, while we are running a risk
today, an intransigent North Korea that walks out would be running a risk as well.
ORDER IT NOW
A collapse in talks between Kim and the
United States and Kim and South Korea would raise the possibility that he and his Chinese patrons could face
an East Asia Cold War where South Korea and Japan also have acquired nuclear weapons and the means to
deliver them.
In the last analysis, the United States
should be willing to accept both the concessions to the North that the South is willing to make and the
risks from the North that the South is willing to take.
For, ultimately, they are the one who
are going to have to live on the same peninsula with Kim and his nukes.
Trump ran on a foreign policy that may
fairly be described as a Trump Doctrine: In the post-post-Cold War era, the United States will start looking
out for America first.
This does not mean isolationism or the
abandonment of our allies. It does mean a review and reassessment of all the guarantees we have issued to go
to war on behalf of other countries, and the eventual transfer of responsibility for the defense of our
friends over to our friends.
In the future, the U.S. will stop
futilely imploring allies to do more for their own defense and will begin telling them that their defense is
primarily their own responsibility. Our allies must cease to be our dependents.
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a
new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America
Forever."
Questionable but interesting. "Trump's "policy" is simply a reflection of his character as a narcissistic, arrogant
bully.
To "make America great again" means for him "make America the Global Bully" again." Trump really believe like a typical bully.
In case of tough resistance he folds and appologize. Otherwise he tries to press opooneent into complete submission.
Notable quotes:
"... The underlying assumption of Trump's strategic thinking is that 'power works': the more intransigent his posture, the greater his belief in a unipolar world based on US power. As a corollary, Trump interprets any ally, adversary, competitor who seeks negotiations, reciprocity or concessions is 'weak' and should be pressured or forced to concede greater concessions and further retreats and sacrifices, up to the ultimate goal of surrender and submission. ..."
"... Trump views President Rohani as a rug seller not a military strategist. Trump believes that an economic squeeze will lead President Rohani to sacrifice his allies in Syria, Lebanon (Hezbollah), Yemen (Houthi), Palestine (Hamas) and Iraq (Shia)and to dismantle its ICBM defense strategy. ..."
"... Trump pursues the strategic goal of weakening Iran and preparing a regime change, reverting Iran into a client state – as it was prior to the 1979 revolution under the Shah. ..."
"... Trump recognizes and submits to Zionist-Israeli dictates because they have unprecedented power in the media, real estate, finance and insurance (FIRE). Trump recognizes the ZPC's power to buy Congressional votes, control both political parties and secure appointments in the executive branch. ..."
"... Trump is the typical authoritarian: at the throat of the weak, citizens, allies and adversaries and on his knees before the powerful ZPC, the military and Wall Street. ..."
"... Trump's unilateral declaration of a trade war against China accompanied his belief that military threats led to North Korea's "capitulation" – its promise to end its nuclear program. ..."
"... Is Trump playing the Nixon-Kissinger 'madman' tactic, in which the Secretary of State tells adversaries to accept his 'reasonable' demands or face the worst from the President? I don't think so. ..."
"... China got Trumps to waiver ZTE ruling, with Huawei declared no longer a threat to US security. ..."
"... "Speaking to soon-to-be graduates of the Virginia Military Institute on Wednesday, Tillerson dropped this truth bomb: "If our leaders seek to conceal the truth, or we as people become accepting of alternative realities that are no longer grounded in facts, then we as American citizens are on a pathway to relinquishing our freedom." Woof. ..."
For some time, critics of President Trump's policies have attributed them to a mental
disorder; uncontrolled manic-depression, narcissus bullying and other pathologies. The question
of Trump's mental health raises a deeper question: why do his pathologies take a specific
political direction? Moreover, Trump's decisions have a political history and background, and
follow from a logic and belief in the reason and logic of imperial power.
We will examine the reason why Trump has embraced three strategic decisions which have
world-historic consequences, namely: Trump's reneging the nuclear accord with Iran ;Trump's
declaration of a trade war with China; and Trump's meeting with North Korea.
In brief we will explore the political reasons for his decisions; what he expects to gain;
and what is his game plan if he fails to secure his expected outcome and his adversaries take
reprisals.
Trump's Strategic Framework
The underlying assumption of Trump's strategic thinking is that 'power works': the more
intransigent his posture, the greater his belief in a unipolar world based on US power. As a
corollary, Trump interprets any ally, adversary, competitor who seeks negotiations, reciprocity
or concessions is 'weak' and should be pressured or forced to concede greater concessions and
further retreats and sacrifices, up to the ultimate goal of surrender and submission. In
other words, Trump's politics of force only recognizes counter-force: limitations in Trump's
policies will only result when tangible economic and military losses and costs in US lives
would undermine US imperial rule.
Reasons Why Trump Broke the Peace Accord with Iran
Trump broke the accord with Iran because the original agreement was based on retaining US
sanctions against Iran; the total dismantling of its nuclear program and calling into question
Iran's limited role on behalf of possible allies in the Middle East.
Iran's one-sided concessions; trading military defense for market opportunities encouraged
Trump to believe that he could intimidate Iran militarily by closing all its markets.
Trump views President Rohani as a rug seller not a military strategist. Trump believes
that an economic squeeze will lead President Rohani to sacrifice his allies in Syria, Lebanon
(Hezbollah), Yemen (Houthi), Palestine (Hamas) and Iraq (Shia)and to dismantle its ICBM defense
strategy.
Trump pursues the strategic goal of weakening Iran and preparing a regime change,
reverting Iran into a client state – as it was prior to the 1979 revolution under the
Shah.
The second reason for Trump's policy is to strengthen Israel's military power in the Middle
East. The Trump regime is deeply influenced by the Zionist power configuration (ZPC) in the US,
dubbed 'the Lobby'.
Trump recognizes and submits to Zionist-Israeli dictates because they have unprecedented
power in the media, real estate, finance and insurance (FIRE). Trump recognizes the ZPC's power
to buy Congressional votes, control both political parties and secure appointments in the
executive branch.
Trump is the typical authoritarian: at the throat of the weak, citizens, allies and
adversaries and on his knees before the powerful ZPC, the military and Wall Street.
Trump's submission to Zionist power reinforces and even dictates his decision to break the
peace accord with Iran and his willingness to pressure. France, Germany, the UK and Russia to
sacrifice billion-dollar trade agreements with Iran and to pursue a policy of pressuring
Teheran to accept part of Trump's agenda of unilateral disarmament and isolation. Trump
believes he can force the EU multi-nationals to disobey their governments and abide by
sanctions.
Reasons for Trump's Trade War with China
Prior to Trump's presidency, especially under President Obama, the US launched a trade war
and 'military pivot' to China. Obama proposed the Trans-Pacific Pact to exclude China and
directed an air and naval armada to the South China Sea. Obama established a high-powered
surveillance system in South Korea and supported war exercises on North Korea's border. Trump's
policy deepened and radicalized Obama's policies.
Trump extended Obama's bellicose policy toward North Korea, demanding the de-nuclearization
of its defense program. President Kim of North Korea and President Moon of South Korea reached
an agreement to open negotiations toward a peace accord ending nearly 60 years of
hostility.
However, President Trump joined the conversation on the presumption that North Korea's peace
overtures were due to his threats of war and intimidation. He insisted that any peace
settlement and end of economic sanctions would only be achieved by unilateral nuclear
disarmament, the maintenance of US forces on the peninsula and supervision by US approved
inspectors.
Trump's unilateral declaration of a trade war against China accompanied his belief that
military threats led to North Korea's "capitulation" – its promise to end its nuclear
program.
Trump slapped a trade tariff on over $100 billion dollars of Chinese exports in order to
reduce its trade imbalance by $200 billion over two years. He demanded China unilaterally end
industrial 'espionage', technological 'theft' (all phony accusations) and China's compliance
monitored quarterly by the US. Trump demanded that China not retaliate with tariffs or restrictions or face bigger
sanctions. Trump threatened to respond to any reciprocal tariff by Beijing, with greater tariffs, and
restrictions on Chinese goods and services.
Trump's goals seek to convert North Korea into a military satellite encroaching on China's
northern border; and a trade war that drives China into an economic crisis. Trump believes that as China declines as a world economic power, the US will grow and
dominate the Asian and world economy.
Trump believes a successful trade war will lead to a successful military war. Trump believes
that a submissive China, based on its isolation from the 'dynamic' US market, will enhance
Washington's quest for uncontested world domination.
Trump's Ten Erroneous Thesis
Trump's political agenda is deeply flawed! Breaking the nuclear agreement and imposing harsh
sanctions has isolated Trump from his European and Asian allies. His military intervention will
inflame a regional war that would destroy the Saudi oil fields. He will force Iran to pursue a
nuclear shield against US-Israeli aggression and lead to a prolonged, costly and ultimately
losing war.
Trump's policies will unify all Iranians, liberals and nationalist, and undermine US
collaborators. The entire Muslim world will unify forces and carry the conflict throughout
Asia, Africa and the Middle East, Tel Aviv's bombing [of Iran] will lead to counter-attacks
in Israel.
Oil prices will skyrocket, financial markets will collapse, industries will go bankrupt.
Trump's sanctions and military aggression against Iran will lead to mutual economic
destruction.
Trump's trade war with China will lead to the disruption of the supply chain which sustains
the US economy and especially the 500 US multi-nationals who depend on the Chinese economy for
exports to the US. China will increase domestic consumption, diversify its markets and trading
partners and reinforce its military alliance with Russia. China has greater resilience and
capacity to overcome short-term disruption and regain its dominant role as a global economic
power house.
Wall Street will suffer a catastrophic financial collapse and send the US into a world
depression.
Trump's negotiations with North Korea will go nowhere as long as he demands unilateral
nuclear disarmament, US military control over the peninsula and political isolation from
China.
Kim will insist on the end of sanctions, and a mutual defense treaty with China. Kim will
offer to end nuclear testing but not nuclear weapons. After Trump's reneged on the Iran deal,
Kim will recognize that agreements with the US are not trustworthy.
Conclusion
Trump's loud, threatening gestures are a real danger to world peace and justice. But his
assumptions about the consequences of his policy are deeply flawed. There is no basis to think
his sanctions will topple the Iranian regime; that Israel will survive unscathed from a war
with Iran: that an oil war will not undermine the US economy; that Europe will allow its
companies to be frozen out of the Iran market.
Trump's trade war with China is dead in the water. He cannot find alternative production
sites for US multi-nationals. He cannot freeze China out of the world market, since they have
links with five continents. Trump cannot dominate North Korea and force it to sacrifice its
sovereignty on the basis of empty economic promises to lift sanctions. Trump is heading for
defeats on all counts. But he may take the American people into the nuclear abyss in the
process.
Epilogue
Are Trump's threats of war part of a strategy of bluff and bombast designed to intimidate,
in order to secure political advantages? Is Trump playing the Nixon-Kissinger 'madman'
tactic, in which the Secretary of State tells adversaries to accept his 'reasonable' demands or
face the worst from the President? I don't think so.
Nixon unlike Trump was not led by the nose by Israel. Nixon unlike Trump was not led by
pro-nuclear war advisers. Nixon in contrast to Trump opened the US to trade with China and
signed nuclear reduction agreements with Russia. Nixon successfully promoted peaceful
co-existence.
"Trump's sanctions and military aggression against Iran will lead to mutual economic
destruction."
indeed they will, and sadly it well deserved after the last 20yrs off US terrorism.
the US hubris will soon meet karma, and we all know karma is a bitch..
You didn't have to be genius to see this coming. In fact, NK played Trump as
expected. Anything else would have been gross negligence by their diplomatic
negotiators. Getting Trump to speculate about a prospective Nobel (for himself) for bringing nuclear
peace to the Pacific was baiting the hook nicely.
The US is now dealing from a position of weakness. Let's see what NK can extract in terms of
keeping their weapons and gaining economic assistance in return for getting the meetings back
on track.
This theory is the opposite of what I suppose is the right explanation, the explanation also
given by prof Laslo Maracs, UVA Amsterdam, that Trump and his rich friends understand that
the USA can to longer control the world, conquering the rest of the world totally out of the
question.
The end of the British empire began before 1914, when the twe fleet standard had to lowered
to one fleet.
Obama had to do something similar, the USA capability of fighting two wars at the time was
lowered to one and half.
What half a war accomplishes we see in Syria.
In the thirties the British, some of them, knew quite well they could no longer defend their
empire, at the time this meant controlling the Meditarranean and the Far East.
Lawrence R. Pratt, 'East of Malta, West of Suez', London, 1975
The British guarantees to Poland and countries bordering on the Med lighted the fuse to the
powder keg that had been standing for a long time.
Churchill won, the British thought, and some of them think it still, WWII.
But shortly after WWII some British understood 'we won the war, but lost the peace'.
I still have the idea that Trump has no intention of losing the peace, but time will tell.
I suppose Trump just is buying time against Deep State and Netanyahu.
The fool Netanyahu is happy with having got Jerusalem, he does not see the cost in increased
hatred among Muslims, and Israel having won the Eurovision Song Festival.
Trump's "policy" is simply a reflection of his character as a narcissistic, arrogant
bully.
To "make America great again" means for him "make America the Global Bully" again.
However, behind the facade of all his bravado hides a puppet of the Jewish Power Structure,
which is even more dangerous than Trump himself. "Make Zion Great Again" would be a more
apposite slogan.
Wall Street collapsing will not cause a world depression, but will reflect the very real
depression that will arise from huge disruptions to the US supply chain and energy costs and
the knock-on effect that will have on the global economy.
A strike on Iran won't by itself be enough to cripple the US economy, but the loss of a
single aircraft carrier might be enough of a pull on a thread that unravels the magical
mantle of military force that currently holds the empire together and keeps the vassal-states
in line to cause things to go pear-shaped quickly.
Nobody can accuse Donald of not being obedient executioner of tasks given by his Masters.
You don't have to be dark skinned to reside in Masters quarters, orange haired and white is
ok too..
Overall a good analysis, but as far as his support of Israel is concerned, his family
connections with the most ultra-Zionist factions should not be overlooked.
Trump believes that as China declines as a world economic power, the US will grow and
dominate the Asian and world economy.
On what basis does the author say that? Trump is smart enough to know that China is
growing as an economic and military power, not declining.
A fairly poorly (and likely hastily) written article.
Trump is under the control of Zionists just as is the U.S. gov with Zionist dual citizens in
control of every facet and has been since 1913 when the Zionists created the FED and the IRS.
Trump is like the Roman emperor Caligula and is a Trojan Horse for the Zionist agenda of a
NWO and is continuing the tradition of the U.S. gov breaking its word about everything, just
ask the native American Indians.
The nuke agreement with Iran was a sham. Iran lied about what they were doing. The agreement
had never been submitted to the Senate and so was never ratified. Our "allies" in Europe and
Asia knew that and their reaction has not been nearly as negative as the author of this
column has claimed.
I continue to admire President Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Xi of China. WHY? .because
RESULTS matter more than opinions on internet websites, T.V., or in printed publications.
N. Korea has stopped performing ICBM or nuke tests, a less extremist regime change "coup"
took place in Saudi Arabia, financing/ weapons flows / intelligence to Syrian terrorists has
dried up with resulting collapse of ISIS, Iran is threatening to release the names of
European & American politicians who previously made millions / billions off the Iran nuke
deal if it is dropped, Harvey Weinstein, Allison Mack, and "Weiner" were untouchable before
Trump, the list just goes on and continues to get bigger.
A major reason for admiration of Putin is that the Mainstream Media (MSM) can't stop
demonizing him. So of course I'm logically led to believe that he is mostly a good guy since
the MSM has proven itself repeatedly to distort the Truth. Putin also largely ended the
oligarchs power, doubled Russian citizens income, used an tiny Russian military in Syria to
gradually reverse ISIS expansion there, improved Russia's internal manufacturing,
agricultural, mining, and technological research/ development, intellectually crushed
international debate opponents repeated using only logic and facts (You should watch the
videos!), built / rebuilt over 10 thousand churches, has patriotic Muslims (Crimea) fighting
for Russia in Syria, etc. etc.
Xi of China has pretty impressive creditials but this post is
overly long anyway.
RESULTS COUNT MORE THAN WORDS!
Of course they do this, they would be stupid if they didn't.
• Agree: CalDre
I like your frankness. Every countries is into this at different degree, with ZUS the
apex. But been leading in most tech area currently & lazy to produce any useful things,
ZUS is very unhappy that their esponage net result is negative, hence the continuous
whining.
When tide reverse with China leading in most tech, ZUS will complaint about complex patent
system as been flawed in exploitating & suppressing of weaker country innovation, juz as
it did for WTO & Globalization now.
Of course any moronic comments about only China is espionaging US IPR & rise purely due
to US FDI & Tech transfer will resonate CalDre into high chime.
Well, he is not meeting with North Korea either, since Kim didn't chicken out, and is not
that stupid as to offer his head on the plate! Bolton made sure of that.
Hastily written article cobbled by bits of public info here & there without deep
analysis.
1. Today NK declared they have indefinitely terminate all high level exchange with SK. If
Trumps insisted on another Libya & Iraq defank & ending model advocate by Bolton,
meeting with Trumps will be cancelled. Trumps needs the Korea peace credit to get his Nobel
Prize, so as to booster his coming Nov election win. Kim has baited Trumps to put him in
tight corner now, hence WH still insisting to go ahead prepare for the meeting.
If venue does changed to Beijing from Trumps' choice of Spore (Kim's cargo plane can't fly
his limousine so far, also a risk of him as Spore is US vassal), we will see Kim has K.O.
Trumps in another round. Kim will get to keep its nuke weapon until USM remove its Korea
present, clear all sanctions, with UNSC guaranteed its safety. If Trumps has the meeting
cancelled, then China can roll out its own play book as unchallenged leader in solving Korea
crisis. Either way, Trumps will lost influence to China.
2. Trade war with China has exposed ZUS deep weakness in its brinkmanship when china
retaliated with no compromise. Four most senior trade & treasury secs scrambled 10,000
miles to Beijing to seek detente, but return empty handed in 2 days with their ridiculous
demands in hubris. Still China got Trumps to waiver ZTE ruling, with Huawei declared no
longer a threat to US security.
Btw, this author has wrongly written about the $100B trade tariff, its only $50B so far.
Another additional $100B is only a empty threat ZUS dare not release to avoid China
retaliation.
3. JCPOA cancelling is godsend move.
First, EU with Germany & France having huge investments in Iran is crying loud that they
have to be free from been ZUS vassal. If they caved in to ZUS sanction threat, then EU bosses – Macron & Merkel will
face revolt from Europe business sector. China & Russia will be happy to pick up whatever
investments in fire sales.
If EU decided to rebel & chart its own destiny with a little spine, then ZUS has lost
its tight clutch over EU. EU has juz announced to trade Iran oil in Euro, hasten
de-dollarization. The geopolitical game is changing tide. In either way of EU decision, China
& Russia win.
Now Iran will continue to enjoy free trades with everyone except ZUS that it dislike most,
& win moral high ground in international standing by keeping to JCPOA.
ZUS has juz ordered Trumps to shoot its own foot. It pay the high price of losing every
credibility in international agreement, forced EU into seeking independency, have EU trade in
Euro, with Iran, China & Russia all smiling.
Of course, but I just wanted to make a point not write a book or even a PhD thesis. thanks
for the supplementary material though. Your comments about oil are spot on as you know. The wars were about smashing some real
competition.
Somebody has to shovel the BS occasionally, to keep the smell down here. I guess it's my
turn today, sigh.
The nuke agreement with Iran was a sham. Iran lied about what they were doing.
Then the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and many of the major European
countries must also be lying when they say that Iran is fully complying with the JCPOA.
The agreement had never been submitted to the Senate and so was never ratified.
The United Nations Security Council endorsed the JCPOA; see UNSC resolution 2231.
According to the UN treaty, UNSC resolutions are automatically the law of the land,
even in the USA -- no Senate ratification needed.
Have you ever made a comment that was other than your mere and clearly biased opinion? Try
it sometime; it would be interesting to see what evidence you provide to support such
transparently erroneous ideas.
Trump's only strategy is to do what Israel orders him to do. The Neocon Jews and their friends including the Jew In Chief of
the White House Jared Kushner are running the show. You can easily see this in ... Niki Haley's presentation before the UN including
walking out before the Palestinian Rep had a chance to speak.
Trump is up to his arms in shady deals with Jewish financiers of his properties and they
will get what they want from him politically. It's Israel against the world and the US is
nothing more than their war whore. More people will die for this strategy that comes from
formerly Tel Aviv and now from the Magic Jewish Capital called Jerusalem.
New York City's Hip Hop station Hot 97's morning show, "Ebro in the Morning," dedicated an
entire segment to yesterday's demonstration in Gaza where the two blasted Israel and
President Donald Trump http://pic.twitter.com/43XIqhKFWZ
-- Gigi Hadid (@GiGiHadid) May 15, 2018
Hadid posted screen shots of Al Jazeera's coverage alongside an image of the Nakba with text
written by a relative,
"Almost One Million Palestinians were violently forced out of their country and never allowed
back to Palestine. The Hadid family was amongst them and they fled in fear to Syria where
they became refugees."
Why are these important? Because they have millions of followers on social media .because
their audience and followers are the coming voter and leadership force .for better or worse
..and for Israel its the 'worse'.
Gigi Hadid for instance has 9 million followers on twitter.
Giuliani: Mueller's team told Trump's lawyers they can't indict a president
This true. BUT ..'if' any criminal wrong doing by Trump before he was president is revealed in the
course of the Russia investigation he can be indicted for that after he is out of office. IN ADDITION ..'if' any criminal wrong doing is revealed in Trump's businesses then any
persons involved in it within his businesses including his sons or daughter can be indicted. And now, as they have no presidential protection.
imo .this is what Trump is most afraid of ..some criminal business like money laundering
being exposed. not that Mueller will find Russian election collusion.
"Speaking to soon-to-be graduates of the Virginia Military Institute on Wednesday,
Tillerson dropped this truth bomb:
"If our leaders seek to conceal the truth, or we as people become accepting of alternative
realities that are no longer grounded in facts, then we as American citizens are on a pathway
to relinquishing our freedom."
Woof.
..
Why is this important? Because the graduating class of VMI selects its speakers so that
tells you where the minds of the elite military schools are on Trumpism.
n that Cohen tries to stay clear of anything outside his expertise, Russian history and
geopolitics. Several times I've heard him fondly reminisce about being raised in Kentucky. So
he may not be a complete Upper West Side liberal.
Writing objectively, Mr. Anon noted: "Being a pizza deliveryman is probably more dangerous
than most every military MOS."
Hi Mr. Anon,
Thanks for your satiric-service including recognition of often brave pizza
deliverymen!
I have a true work experience to share.
In late-Autumn, 2001, as a dual-Business Manager & Emergency Spill Response Supervisor
for Pa. E.M.A. Haz-Mat Certified Teem Environmental, Inc., one afternoon, the excitable
company-owner called a mandatory meeting for all personnel.
Addressing supervisors & (very skilled) Field Technicians, the rather timid owner
ordered, "Starting today & through the weekend, TEEM is contracted to perform potential
sarin gas terror attack responses within NYC subways & tunnels! So everybody better keep
their pagers on when you go home & be immediately prepared to respond to sarin gas
attacks!"
A dear friend & late-coworker, Warren Hill, became uncomfortable with the assignment
and sensibly spoke up, "Uh, what the fuck? Do we get extra military pay for dealing with the
crazy Taliban while we ain't armed with nothin' but V.O.C. & Hnu meters, Personal
Protection Equipment?"
Unused to having to deal with reasonable employee-challenges, the TEEM owner lost it,
screamed, What's wrong with you, Warren?!! Can't you read the advertisement painted on our
E.R.V., "TEEM Environmental responds to all incidents involving US D.O.T. Hazardous
Materials! Get on the ball, would 'ya, Warren!"
Upon reflection, I stuck neck-out, came to Warren's aid, and opined, "But the Haz-Mat
customers who have signed our company 'Emergency Spill Response Agreements' are not known to
pose secondary-life threatening hazards after initial accidental discharges happened."
"Bah , Just keep your pager on, Chuck!" replied our civilian Commander Stassi.
P.S.: For anyone interested, attached below is my "wordy" 2015 article that delivers an
example of how civilian private-company employees fought in the War Against (White Powder)
Anthrax terror threats.
Cases where the "perp(S)" never caught, an open case, and to this day, I suppose either
Federal or State governments cut lots-of-checks, payable to private Emergency Spill Response
companie$, for their services.
"... In fact, "Intelligence" is simply another word for "information" and in ages gone by the term was used in that way by authorities like Clausewitz or Jomini. ..."
"... Like any labor of scholarship involving the study of human beings by human beings, the work is nearly always conducted with incomplete and ambiguous information as a basis for the analysis. ..."
"Were we right or were we wrong?" This
was Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) George Tenet's central question in his 2004 talk to the faculty
and students of his alma mater, Georgetown University. What he was talking about, of course, was the
critical political issue of whether or not the Intelligence Community (IC) of which he was the titular head
"got it right" in telling the American people and their government that Iraq was a clear danger to the
United States, as opposed to being a threat to regional states, and if that danger was substantial enough
to serve as a justifiable basis for war, invasion and occupation. In Tenet's address there was much of
self-protection and an implicit warning that neither he nor the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) would
accept to be "scapegoated" in a search for the roots of misadventure in Iraq. His words establish a claim
to blamelessness for the CIA and the larger Intelligence Community in the decisions leading up to the Iraq
campaign and a related claim to have done as well as could fairly have been expected. In other words, he
wished to be thought innocent in this matter. Is that reasonable? Is it fair to expect American citizens
and officials to believe that the Intelligence Community did its work well in helping the government of the
United States to make sound decisions about Iraq? This is an important question, because if they did not,
then why were their judgments so flawed in spite of the incredible amounts of taxpayer money lavished on
the agencies of the IC? Why should so much money have been lavished on these agencies if they could do no
better?
In spite of the importance of this
question, impatience with the performance of the intelligence people ought to be somewhat dependent on the
outcome of a national debate as to what should be expected of the process labeled "intelligence." Reporters
sometimes ask rhetorically if decisions should really be made on the basis of intelligence. At first
hearing questions like this seem to be both naïve and nonsensical since it is obvious that information is
the stuff that decisions must be founded on. Nevertheless, decipherment of these statements leads to an
understanding that those who say things like this think that "intelligence" is a form of thinking both
esoteric and obscure, a dark art, separate and distinct from the normal way of knowing things and subject
to acceptance or rejection by special rules of perception. In other words, they think that it is something
like astrology, to be judged by its own "rules."
In fact, "Intelligence" is simply
another word for "information" and in ages gone by the term was used in that way by authorities like
Clausewitz or Jomini. There is nothing mystical or mysterious about the process by which information or
"intelligence" is collected, collated, analyzed and disseminated. "Intelligence" is scholarship conducted
in the service of the state. The great bulk of the information used as data in this scholarship comes out
of the huge archival files of the major agencies supplemented by daily "feedings" of; diplomatic chit-chat,
aerial and satellite reconnaissance, intercepts of communications and hopefully the products of espionage
(clandestine HUMINT). Like any labor of scholarship involving the study of human beings by human beings,
the work is nearly always conducted with incomplete and ambiguous information as a basis for the analysis.
This natural phenomenon is aggravated
by the desire of the studied group to hide something, usually, that which is under study. When George Tenet
said before his Georgetown audience that "We never get things altogether right in the Intelligence
business, nor altogether wrong," he was correct but his statement was irrelevant to a discussion of the
utility of the intelligence process since the quality of the analytic product depends on many variables,
among them; good information and the quality of the minds brought to bear on the imperfect information. It
is both trite and a truism that "intelligence is an art and not a science." What this means is that human
beings may succeed or they may fail in making judgments based on less than complete data and that the
skill, intelligence and experience of those involved is the most important factor in determining the
outcome. To say that "Intelligence" is a flawed process is simply meaningless in a discussion of the
effectiveness of the state in making decisions. If the "Intelligence Community" as it now exists were
abolished, some other group would have to assume the burden of performing the same functions for the
benefit of the state. What would they be called? Perhaps it might be, "The Agency for Special Planning?"
The issue of the effectiveness and
efficiency of the existing Intelligence Community is a separate but linked question from that of knowing
whether or not the elected or appointed officials of the Bush Administration may have intruded themselves
inappropriately into the deliberations of the Intelligence Community in a way that led to distortions in
the estimates of Iraq's significance that were presented to the president and the Congress. It is widely
believed now that this occurred but that is not the subject of this essay.
The question under examination here is
simple. Premise: "The Intelligence Community produced poor quality intelligence on Iraq." Therefore, one
asks – Are there imbedded structural defects in the present United States Intelligence Community that
contributed either directly or indirectly to the production of estimates that were unsound and which failed
the nation? And, moreover, are there characteristics in the present intelligence community of the United
States which now prevent and will prevent it from "reforming" itself? It is clear that the inability of the
Intelligence Community to forecast or estimate Iraq's true condition was a major failure. Why did this
happen, and how can the defects in the "community" be repaired? What "limits" are there in the psychology
and structure of the government that may prevent "repair" of the system?
ORDER IT NOW
The author's conclusion after a working
lifetime of studying the flaws in the system from within the community and from the evidence of continuing
contacts with old colleagues and new friends in the intelligence agencies is that there are a multitude of
problems in the intelligence forces of the United states and that most of them have grown up over a very
long time, are now "built into" the system and are unlikely to be resolved without outside intervention by
the Congress of the United States. It is impossible to consider them all but a few of the most important
are so intractable as to be worth discussing here:
-Leadership. There is a natural
tendency in the general public to believe that the upper levels of the Intelligence Community are filled
with learned, avuncular and sensitive people somehow reminiscent of "George Smiley," the wonderful British
spy and spymaster whose presence fills the earlier novels of John Le Carre. The character, "Smiley" is
wise, sadly pessimistic, a profound student of mankind and devoted to his "people." He has a deeply
empathic nature, is widely read, speaks several languages and is so dedicated to his craft and its ethic
that he fears nothing and will take any risk either to protect his own "people" or to "launch" operations
that, if they fail may destroy him. What a marvelous conception this man is!
There are people like that in the
leadership of US Intelligence. There are a few, but there once were many more and they are fewer all the
time. In fact, the "system" works in such a way that people like "Smiley" are feared and distrusted by the
bureaucratic politicians who really run the intelligence agencies. What are really to be found in the upper
echelons of the "community" are either people who early in their government service became specialized in
the generalized management of organizations (often after early substantive analytic work) or others who
were "staff " of some kind, (budgetary planners, lawyers. liaison staff, etc.) The Directors of the various
agencies are naturally attracted to such people because they are focused on the administrative functions of
the agencies and the protection of their ultimate superior, the Director. This makes them a kind of
"insurance policy " for the directors of the agencies.
The old veterans of the intelligence
trade often make a distinction between "real intelligence officers" and "managers." "Real intelligence
officers" are those who are known to be qualified and capable of the difficult work of analysis and field
collection of information and who are known to have the moral character required to stand up to the
pressure that is present in every political administration to make the "reality" presented by the
"Intelligence Community" conform to the " reality" envisioned by the policy of the administration in power.
The "managers" are essentially courtiers grouped about the throne of whichever baron of the Intelligence
Community they may serve. The "managers" functions center on liaison with the other barons, lobbying the
Congress for money and "protection" of the boss (the Director of their agency). Such people as the
"managers" are easily recognized by the directors of the agencies as very valuable to their career survival
in the stylized "dance" conducted around Washington by the various parts of the United States Government
but they are not well suited to leading "real intelligence officers" to feats of brilliant analysis or
imaginative collection operations because they are always in a "defensive crouch" fearing that the "real
intelligence officers" will cause trouble for them or "the boss" through disagreement with the "picture"
desired by the administration of the day or in Human Intelligence (HUMINT) operations (espionage) gone bad
which result in publicity that could be damaging to the "managers'" careers. Incredibly, these are the
people who tend to be promoted to "line" command "at the top" in the collection, and analytic functions of
the agencies over the heads of the "real intelligence officers."
This pattern of rule by the
"managerial" class is now so well established in the intelligence agencies that it is simply expected that
senior jobs which control large parts of the agencies in the analytic and HUMINT collection fields will be
held by "managers" as opposed to "real intelligence officers." This tendency is so firmly rooted now that
the author has often heard very senior "real intelligence officers" described as "just an analyst," or
"just an operator" in the context of a selection board picking someone for a high level leadership job in
the very field in which the "real intelligence officer" is an authority respected throughout the
government.
This tendency is perpetuated and
reinforced by a process of "mirror-imaging" in personnel selections in which the ever-growing number of
"managers" who are in senior leadership position simply select others like them in the next generation for
the top jobs. This results in a leadership cadre in the Intelligence Community which is more and more
hostile to the risks demanded as the price of real success in collection and analysis and more and more
favorable to the self indulgence of a focus on the "turf battles and budget wars" endemic to Washington and
at the same time less and less driven by the desire to do good intelligence work. The personnel management
disaster described above is ultimately the responsibility of the directors of the agencies that make up the
Intelligence Community. If they wanted to have a different focus in their agencies, there would be a
different focus. There have been many fine and devoted heads of the various American intelligence agencies,
but all too often the directors themselves are members of the "managerial class" within the Intelligence
Community or simply politically selected party functionaries. All too often directors see themselves as
"travelers" on a journey to yet further heights within the government and therefore not "decisively
committed" to the work of their people. For many directors, the "managerial class" within their agencies is
a natural ally in controlling the "wilder impulses" of the "real intelligence officers" in the
organization.
ORDER IT NOW
-Risk Aversion. One of the most trite
and tedious of the many things said in the national media and in the U.S. Congress about the failures of
the Intelligence Community in Iraq and with regard to so many issues is that "HUMINT (espionage in this
context) must be improved!" Repetition of this thought has become obligatory in any "serious" discussion of
security issues but in fact, no one has done much to improve US espionage capabilities. This would be
amusing in its inanity if the underlying phenomenon were not so serious. In fact, the media and the
Congress are largely responsible for creating the operating environment in which the wreck of once
formidable American espionage capabilities became inevitable. In the aftermath of the Vietnam War, the
public and its representatives convinced themselves that the intelligence services were somehow the enemies
of the American people. The FBI COINTELPRO program aimed at Director Hoover's personal list of enemies and
the Nixon Administration's meditations (the Houston Plan) on the possibility of effectively combining all
U.S. counterintelligence groups into one force contributed to that idea. The Houston Plan was never
approved or implemented but the concept itself was enough to "trigger" demand for congressional
investigations into the "misdeeds" of U.S. counterintelligence groups.
Rather inevitably the "witch hunt"
spread to include U.S. clandestine intelligence. The "Church Committee" in the US Senate resulted. Up until
that time it was generally believed in the population of the United States that the intelligence services
were filled with honorable people trying to protect the country, but the spirit of that age disagreed and a
barrage of "literature" and films spread the idea that career intelligence officers were amoral
opportunists animated by a kind of nihilistic sadism. "The Three Days of the Condor," "The Bourne
Identity," and similar rubbish which portrayed a universe unfamiliar to anyone who had ever worked in
intelligence filled people's heads with the idea that the clandestine services were to be tolerated but
only just barely tolerated and that they must be closely watched and restricted. American espionage
capabilities began to decline from that time and the process has not yet been reversed.
A mass of regulations were enacted in
those and following years which tied the hands of the clandestine services so effectively that they have
never recovered. Several categories of people were placed "off limits" as possibilities for recruitment as
foreign agents (for example, reporters, professors, employees of American companies) without regard for the
fact that these very people have inherent access to people and information often needed to carry out
effective intelligence work. The rationale seemed to be that some kinds of people needed to be "protected"
from the "dirty" business of espionage. The same kind of "thinking" has caused the clandestine services to
rely far too much on "liaison" relationships with foreign intelligence services as a substitute for
conducting American run espionage against difficult targets. The reason? Disclosure of foreign operations
does not entail the career risk for the "managers" that the failure of an American operation would bring.
The creation of this kind of operating
environment served as a powerful "enabling" mechanism for the not so gradual assumption of power in the
intelligence agencies by the "managerial class." In an atmosphere dominated by fear of violation of
legislated restrictions on behavior and the use of clandestine funds, it was only natural that the
directors of the agencies would look to those who had little interest in driving forward the limits of
accomplishment and every interest in "limiting the damage" and "preventing surprises" for themselves and
"the boss." This has resulted in a degree of control over operations by lawyers and financial officers that
is suffocating to the ability of skilled operatives to mount the kind of potentially rewarding but risky
operations that would be needed, for example, to penetrate "Al-Qa'ida." Clandestine operations are
inherently dangerous. It follows that if they are evaluated by people who "know the cost of everything but
the value of nothing," they will inevitably be disapproved before execution if the risks are considerable.
Those in Congress who wrote the rules used as excuses to disapprove these operations will then "bleat"
pitifully about the need for "better HUMINT" the next time a disaster occurs.
Analysis by Committee. Much the same
phenomena exist on the analytic "side" of the intelligence business. Brilliant people from the best schools
"sign up" for a career in intelligence work from a sense of patriotism, intellectual curiosity, and a
desire to "make a difference" in the world. What typically happens to them after that is that they are
"eaten alive" by bureaucracies utterly controlled by the "managerial" mentality. Young analysts are called
on to write papers that demand a fresh look, hard work and an undying devotion to the truth. The draft
papers they write are not their property and these papers should not be subject to the vanities of "pride
of authorship" so common in other works of scholarship, but neither should they be treated with a lack of
respect for the views of the analysts and the creativity that the authors bring to the task. Too often, the
"editing by committee" system that prevails results in papers that are not only irrelevant to the security
needs of the nation but are actually misleading because of their lack of intellectual honesty.
In the "managerial" world, nothing
matters so much as "staying in step" with the consensus in the various agencies of the intelligence world
as well as making sure that analysis does not deny the political leadership of the country an intellectual
"platform" from which they can proclaim their vision of the future. The "mere" belief of the analysts
counts for little in the judgment of the "managers" when weighed against the career destroying effect of
disapproval or disfavor from on high.
As a result analysis is "ironed out"
in a "layer cake" system of committees at ever-higher layers of bureaucracy. These committees are made up
of supervisors at the appropriate layer and they "take care" to insure that the interests of the various
parties within an agency are protected in the text that goes forward to the next higher layer and that
untoward results are avoided. When this process is ended, what is typically produced is a stereotypical
example of the "lowest common denominator," not something on which the country should "hang its hat" in
making decisions affecting the national fate, and certainly. Such papers are inevitably reflective of the
kind of "group think" that grows up in any highly integrated and hierarchical bureaucracy that controls the
career long expectations of its inhabitants. In other words, an individual analyst has no chance whatever
of having his or her views expressed at the national level unless a large and self-serving group of
careerists approve them and find them not to be threatening to their collective view of what serves the
group's perceived best interest in terms of its relations with the rest of the intelligence community and
the sitting government.
ORDER IT NOW
The rule of the "managerial class" in
the intelligence community ensures the permanence of this "system." The ruling group will reproduce itself
through "mirror imaging"
ad infinitum
and will be maintained in position through the perceived
self-interest of the kind of people who typically become directors of the major intelligence agencies. This
is not to say that there have not been brave, courageous and creative directors of the major intelligence
agencies. The author has had the honor of serving under several. It was a pleasure and they know who they
are, but the sad truth, known to all who have served for extended periods in intelligence is that most
directors are part of the problem. The truth is that intelligence is an art best practiced by gifted
eccentrics, people widely and deeply educated, favored by nature and training with intuition beyond the
average and who care more for the truth than anything else. Such people consistently will follow their
"nose" and their instincts on a trail of information like bloodhounds until they arrive at a truth that
matters to the people of the United States. In the espionage field of endeavor, the function of managers is
to be "enablers," to make workable the environment in which gifted case officers can break through the
manifold barriers that will enable the penetration of groups that threaten the lives of our people. What
must be avoided is the selection of managers who instinctively feel that their function is to "hold back"
the operators and analysts in order to preserve "peace" within the bureaucracy.
Domination of the Intelligence
Function by the Executive Branch: All the intelligence agencies are parts of the Executive Branch. The CIA
is a separate organization within the Executive Branch and directly subordinated to the president. The
Defense Intelligence Agency is part of the Defense Department as is the National Security Agency. The State
Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) is obviously part of that department. All these groups
are deeply imbedded within these "ministries" of government in a constitutional system which ensures that
the authority of the political party that controls the white House will control the intelligence agencies
as well. This means that the temptation that will always be presented to politicians to attempt to shape"
both information collection and the analysis of that information to their taste is likely to be
overwhelming.
In most American administrations, the
most senior authorities (generally elected) are wise enough to know that without sound and objective
judgments from the intelligence agencies, the information upon which they base decisions is worthless. The
reason one creates separate information gathering and analysis systems under the rubric of "intelligence"
is that there is an inherent "conflict of interest" in any system that allows policy decision makers to be
the same people who judge what the reality is upon which such decisions are based. Decision makers can
always choose to decide policy questions based on their own view of the world, but it is intuitively
obvious that this is not the best way to insure good decisions. For this reasons the most senior
authorities generally restrain their subordinates on the policy side of government and prevent excessive
interference with the process of judging information.
The danger is that the wisdom of that
attitude is not universally appreciated and in some government past, present or future, policy officials
may choose to drive the intelligence people supporting their deliberations towards judgments unsupported by
convincing and dependable evidence. If one doubts the seriousness of the possible consequences of such a
"cattle drive" one need only consider such historical examples of misadventure as the US strategic
obsession with the likelihood of a Japanese first strike on the Philippines in 1941. This led the US
Government to focus attention of its analytic force in that direction so firmly that Japanese preparations
for an attack in Hawaii were completely missed. Another example would be the obsession with the
"inevitability" of victory that influenced intelligence to "miss" completely enemy preparations for the Tet
Offensive of 1968 in spite of the mass of information available that indicated something really "big" on
the way. In both cases the results of policy or strategic thinking having been allowed to "intrude" on
analysis were simply catastrophic. Strong leadership by "real intelligence officers" can help to prevent
such disasters. The "dissent" taken by the State Department in the October 2002 NIE on Iraq may well have
been an example of the survival of such leadership.
How can this be prevented? This
problem exists across the world in every country where serious foreign policy and military issues must be
considered and decisions on policy and strategy made on the basis of a systematic consideration of
available data. In every country there is the problem of trying to insure that the judgments of the
information or intelligence people are untainted by external pressures. There have been various methods and
structures adopted to deal with this danger to the national security. In some places external "think tanks"
are used to "test" the result of internal analysis. In others countries, reliance is placed on the
competitive analysis of two or more intelligence agencies, often one military and the other civilian.
In Israel, within the Directorate of
Military Intelligence there exists something called the "Devil's Advocate" a name borrowed from the process
of canonization within the Catholic Church in which a cleric is appointed to oppose the sainthood of one
who has been presented for consideration for that honor. In the Israeli "Devil's Advocate" section, the
officers so employed have the job of opposing the analysis accepted by the government and of preventing the
acceptance of institutional "group think" as the basis for decisions. For the senior Israeli officers who
serve in the "Devil's Advocate" section it is understood that opposition to the judgments of the rest of
the intelligence community will have a career price and that the officers who do this work should look
forward to a fruitful life in retirement from the army soon after their service in this job. Nevertheless,
they perform a vital; perhaps "priceless" is not too strong a word, service for their country. None of
these devices seem altogether suitable for the United States as a "safeguard" against overwhelming pressure
to bring their analysis into conformity with policy. The sheer scale of the institutions involved in
American life dictate modification of the methods used in smaller governments. Some approach that combines
the better features of these institutional "fixes" would probably be appropriate.
Can the "Intelligence Community" change
itself to eliminate the problems discussed above?
It cannot.
The United States "Intelligence
Community" is a "mature bureaucracy," a group of institutions that have reached a stable equilibrium in
their internal politics and in their relationships
I guess Lang is talking about what he refers to as the "Borg". His biggest problem is that he is one of
them, as this long disinformation article shows.
How can you even pretend there were "intelligence
failures" after these guys murdered the Kennedy's and pulled off the 9/11 new Pearl Harbor.
As usual, Lang is just laying a smoke screen for his war criminal Masonic brothers.
Of course Iran is a danger to the USA.
In 1953 there was the CIA coup, that ended democratic Iran, and brought the USA puppet shah in power.
In 1979 Muslim clerics had the audacity to send the puppet away, and put themselves in power.
Since then they, with success, resisted the USA yoke.
Right now Assad is a danger to the USA, he's still alive, and, with help of Russia, and some help of
Erdogan, in power.
Both regimes undermine USA prestige in the world.
Fascinating stuff, thanks. One of the best articles I've read on Unz, in fact, and that's saying quite a
lot because there's been a lot of great stuff here over the past few years.
Mr. Lang hasn't appreciated my pending questions about his first two columns here at Unz Review, but I have
a couple more, one substantive, the other editorial.
1. What does Mr. Lang specifically advocate, if
anything?
He urges Congress to revamp a bureaucracy. But he says that when Congress addressed that bureaucracy in
the mid-1970s as part of the post-Vietnam "'witch hunt'" it "tied the hands of the clandestine services so
effectively that they have never recovered." (He seems to see himself as one of those so bound. But that's
not made clear in the context of anything between 1968 (Tet) and the circa 2002 warmongering against Iraq.)
So if a Congressman during a hearing were to ask Mr. Lang how his work had been hampered before he
retired, and for his specific recommendations going forward, what would he say?
This is an interesting critique of the current state of the intelligence community. The author's contention
that the system has devolved into a bureaucratic muddle under the thrall of the executive branch seems
accurate but:
The disregard for the Church Committee and pining for the days of the gifted operator being
free from pesky managerial control seems misplaced. I know most Americans have a limited sense of history
and memory but, for example, look at the blowback from the Mossadegh coup, the bad intelligence we received
from Gehlen about the Soviets, MK ULTRA, Robert Parry's revelation that members of the intelligence
community interfered with Carter's attempt to negotiate the release of the hostages held by the mullahs.
There are many more such examples. I am not so sure that the "good ol days" were that great. Also, is it
even true that the Executive branch is in control(does the tail wag the dog)?
Interesting analysis – apparently reflecting imperial institutions bureaucratized to the point of
calcification, like an alzheimers brain. I wonder if by extension the senior ranks of the military in
general have become inhabited by risk-averse careerists? Can this explain at least partly its lack of
success in warmaking since Vietnam?
Lang is what we draft soldiers use to call "Lifers"; people who define their life by their love of guns and
bombs etc. Reading him daily over the years brings to mind Kissinger's denigration of military men's
intelligence or Hitler's comment that Generals don't understand economics. Not intelligence in the sense of
IQ ( I have learned a lot from him; smarter than me no doubt). Rather intelligence in the sense of not
being able to see reality through the lens of their love of shoot 'em up bang bang.
For example, he really would have us believe that there is something wrong with "Intelligence". They make
mistakes. Not the reality that they provide the rational for the wars he is so proud to have been a part
of. He is proud of his killing deeds in Vietnam, which was largely the result of what: failed intelligence
in the Gulf of Tonkin? He is proud of the role he played in the killing Kaddafi's baby daughter. Was this
the result of failed intelligence about terrorism? Come on Pat your are like the Robert Duval character in
Apocalypse Now who "loved the smell of Napalm in the morning." Intelligence has not failed the likes of
you. It provides the rational for you to do what is you live to do – killing. You spent your adult life
killing or being responsible for killing people whose only crime was to be sitting on oil.
When you were doing your killing in Vietnaum, draftees like me were saying "hell no I won't go". There was
a saying at the time: "What if someone gave a war and no one showed up". If people like you would stop
showing up we would not have troops stationed in 125 countries in the world today. Guys like you show up
because you love the shit and you could care less about the accuracy of Intelligence. Intelligence is the
opium of the people. It gives them a reason to pay people like you to act out your childhood fantasies
about war.
Repectually!
@ heros-
thank you, saved me a bunch of snarking at the author
.
as for the article itself, I rarely don't finish articles and comment on them, but the sophistry is so wide
and deep, it was impossible to finish
.
the author -as does the korporate/lapdog media- makes a number of presumptions which are not supported by
current reality (which is -in fact- the reason for their role as gatekeepers) firstly, AS IF we had a
system which makes decisions based on facts, the greatest good for the greatest number, and -you know-
reality
we do not
.
what we have imposed upon us, is a PURPOSEFULLY corrupted and broken system which is used by the 1% to
enforce their will all the 'fact finding', 'research', etc, etc, etc, is so much window dressing and
bullshit to justify doing what they want to do and has NOTHING to do with what eggheads, pontificators,
pundits, academics, etc have researched, experimented on, or theorized
.
repeat: it is ALL bullshit to make the insane decisions FOR the 1% seem like the only choice we have
Oh Americans! One thing about brits that I like is tbat they never hesitated talking about their empire or
imperial interests. But all americans seem to have have blinkers (set by their imperial hubris or genuine
belief that their country stands for the good) even supposedly intellectuals cannot escape it. Taleb calls
them intellectual yet idiot, l suppose Lang is one of them.
The intelligence community, while apparently giving useful tactical-level information
sometimes
, is
now, from what I seen, just a propaganda tool. Look at the Skripal farce. The IC of the "five eyes"
confirmed Russia was behind trying to kill the Skripals by smearing his door handle with nerve agent (so
ludicrous it's like something out of
A Fish Called Wanda
). Or Russian collusion and the Steele
dossier and golden showers. Or Clapper as head of the NGA in 2003 claiming they had satellite photographic
proof Saddam was moving WMD's. Or Assad's "chemical attacks on his own people". What's worse is that the IC
hucksters (not IC, per se, just those pitching the wares) no longer even bother putting on an elaborate dog
and pony show, show & tell, and holding vials of inert anthrax at the U.N. Pretty soon we won't even need
the IC middleman, though I'm sure the six-figure contractors, who now make up the bulk of the IC, will
still be collecting the big bucks for "protecting America".
What is truth?," asked an exasperated Pontus Pilate after being badgered by a certain (((group))) to
take action and put a certain innocent God-man to death. Somethings never change.
Mr. Lang created a false dichotomy which basically is reduced to No True Scotsman
fallacy written from the position of the true Scotsman. There are no true Scotsmen.
Things are much simpler. It all comes down to integrity which is a question of morality. Mr. George Slam
Dunk Tenet produced what he was asked to produce. There was a war to be had and he had to do his job and
show that he was a team player and he did it. This was not an issue of bad intelligence or that somebody
made a mistake. If anybody had integrity there in CIA he would refuse and be ready to resign. I haven't
heard of anybody resigning or being fired prior to war in 2003. The additional dimension was a fear of
physical threat. Mr. George Slam Dunk Tenet had attacks of anxiety fearing that he or his family would be
hit while driving around Washington DC on business or with his family. Was it because there was something
wrong with Mr. Tenet psychologically or was the idea planted in his mind by somebody who had enough
credibility to make Mr. Tenet believe it? If the latter it shows that in Washington DC thing are done not
differently than in some third wold capitol.
From the TV adaptation of Smiley's People, spoken by George Smiley as portrayed by Alec Guinness (49:30):
In my time, Peter Guillam, I've seen Whitehall shirts go up and come down again. I've listened to all the
excellent arguments for doing nothing and reaped the consequent frightful harvest. I've watched people hop
up and down and call it progress. I've seen good men go to the wall and the idiots get promoted with
dazzling regularity. All I'm left with is me. And the thirty odds years of Cold War without the option.
Oh, SUCH nonsense. What hope is there of a sensible attempt to alter the disastrous course Western foreign
policy is taking if anyone can read a stunning piece of analysis like that and come up with such a reply?
The author has a valid point regarding "groupthink" in the intelligence services but his descriptions of
the alternatives don't seem to hold much water. It's not like even it its glory days American HUMINT was
anywhere near up to, say, Soviet standards.
as for the article itself, I rarely don't finish articles and comment on them, but the sophistry is so
wide and deep, it was impossible to finish
But nevertheless you feel entitled to judge an author
whose article you haven't even read? At what point did you decide it was sophistry pure and simple?
The purpose of the Iraq war was to reunite Iran and Iraq as a bulwark against Israel. The goal was
achieved. The resurgent Iran we are seeing today is the fruit of the Iraq war.
Watch what is happening
rather than what the talking heads are saying. And keep your friends close and enemies closer.
If you listen closely you can hear the knashing of teeth in Israel that big brother stopped re-arranging
the chess pieces in the M.E. after he installed a Iran allied shia (Nouri Al-Maliki) as leader of Iraq.
. Intelligence Pact
It seems that, as Blitzer contends, Washington and Tel Aviv made a deliberate effort in the mid-1950s to
put an end to these covert operations against one another. Most observers assign responsibility for this to
top CIA official James Angleton .. Sharing information on Arab countries may have been one example of this.
Another may have been assistance in getting nuclear weapons for Israel. According to Seymour Hersh,
"sources close to" Angleton told former New York Times reporter Tad Szulc that the CIA helped the Israelis
obtain technical nuclear information in the late 1950s. "This fits in with something I had been told by a
high-level CIA official," Seymour Hersh added in 1978, "that Angleton, then in charge of CIA liaison with
Israeli intelligence, gave the Israelis similar technical information in the mid-1960s." [19] During this
period, enriched uranium was vanishing from an American atomic energy company with close ties to the
Israeli government. [20] ..
A similar pattern of cooperation between US and Israeli intelligence agencies exists in the area of
military procurement. "Israelis were caught in the Pentagon with unauthorized documents," one US official
told former Congressman Paul Findley, "sometimes scooping up the contents of 'inboxes' on desk tops." This
official recalled that a number of Israelis were very quietly asked to leave the US as a result of such
activities; no formal charges were ever filed against them. Several US officials told Findley that the
Israelis would submit orders for military items they were not supposed to have or even to know about --
using top-secret code numbers and sometimes precise specifications. Presumably they obtained the
information from friendly executive branch contacts, but no official efforts were undertaken to discover
the sources of the leaks. [22] ..
@leander
.
1. it appears you are guilty of the 'sin' you accuse me of: my post SAID why I thought it was sophistry (as
well as in agreement with heros analysis) in short, because IT DENIES OBVIOUS REALITY
the author prattles on AS IF 'intelligence'/information that is gleaned by spooks or WHOEVER, actually
matters in what decisions our 1% superiors make on our 99% behalf (but NOT for our 99% benefit)
.
2. don't be such an authoritarian tool: FORGET about what the 1% SAY is what guides their decisions, etc,
LOOK AT WHO BENEFITS, you scared, shorn, sheeple again, in short, as they EXPLICITLY STATED in the
bulldozing run up to the eye-rack-eee war part 1, they 'fixed the intelligence' around the ALREADY MADE
DECISION TO ATTACK for the greedy reasons of Empire, NOT because sad damn who's sane was our
hitler-of-the-month ™
*snort*
it is difficult to take such propaganda victims as yourself seriously; you are stuck on the superficial
layer of what Empire presents as 'reality', and don't see (or even GUESS) that there is a man behind the
curtain pulling the levers to bedazzle you
.
bread and circuses, kampers, bread and circuses
hee hee hee
ho ho ho
ha ha ha
ak ak ak
Pity the English. They have been slaves of a racist-supremacist, foreign sect ever since Cromwell let the
sect back in the country. Time for Americans to again free themselves from the "city of london" sect.
The
goy and the golem: James Angleton and the rise of Israel
.. "Angleton was was a leading architect of America's strategic relationship with Israel that endures
and dominates the region to this day," Jefferson Morley writes in The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA
Spymaster James Jesus Angleton. More than any other man, the longtime chief of U.S. counterintelligence
made possible Israel's shift "from an embattled settler state into a strategic ally of the world's greatest
superpower."
Angleton did so chiefly by burying any effort in the U.S. intelligence establishment to question
Israel's acquisition of nuclear weapons in the 1960s. "Angleton's loyalty to Israel betrayed U.S. policy on
an epic scale," Morley writes. "Instead of supporting U.S. nuclear security policy, he ignored it." ..
My first contact with CIA was while visiting the remote Mojave Airport in California in the early 1980s
during a motorcycle trip to Death Valley. While there I noticed numerous Boeing 707 airline sized planes
parked off a faraway field in the distance. There must have been at least twenty five or thirty of these
airline size planes just sitting in isolation from the rest of the planes at the airport.
At first, I
thought the planes were merely being mothballed (stored) there until I saw one of them start to move.
Curious, I remember asking one of the workers at the airport about who owned the large planes and was told
that no one really knew but it was referred to as the "spook airline" because the planes and their use were
shrouded in absolute secrecy. Nobody knew who piloted the planeseither because their pilots arrived at the
airport either in smaller executive size planes or in vans that went without stopping directly up to the
planes after entering the airport property.
it was only later that I discovered these planes belonged to Air America, the "the CIA airline" and were
apparently used to ferry large numbers of mostly mercenary soldiers to areas the CIA was interested in at
the time. I also learned that the Mojave Airport was only one of several other similar such bases of Air
America operation. A friend described laughingly described Air America as the "Coup Airline" because of the
CIA's propensity for the overthrowing of unfriendly governments.
About this same time, I also started reading more and more articles about the fact that our elected
representatives, even at the highest levels, didn't actually fully know what the CIA was up to because of
the CIA's so-called, ultra secret "black budgets" which allowed it to operate without any sort of control
from our elected representatives below the Presidental level who claimed they didn't want to know about
these "black" activities out of fear of getting blamed once the activities arising out of them became
known.
I also started reading about rumors that parts of the CIA had become essentially self-funding using
illicit activities like drug running and arms sales to avoid any sort of even marginal budget control by
even the President of the US. The CIA's own airline would, of course, provide the ideal transportation
vehicle to facilitate such activities.
Essentially this meant that a significant part of the CIA had been allowed to essentially go rogue
without any sort of real supervision whatsoever. Unfortunately, The Mossad, would have been more than happy
to step in and provide this oversight using friendly Zionists already embedded within the agency.
There are those who now claim that parts of the CIA are hotbeds of Israeli controlled spying activities
operating specifically within its unsupervised "black budgets".
State department leader Dean Acheson warned this would happen in the mid-1940′s when plans started being
made to turn the wartime OSS into the CIA. I have always thought his opinion might have been formed by his
secret wartime access to the Venona Transcripts which extensively detailed how intelligence agencies in
both the US and the UK had become hotbeds of Communist spying activities. (Sort of like the Israelis and
the CIA today. )
Read about Acheson's very prescient criticism here
I would earnestly recommend that you go to the Colonel's site, SST, and read, from the beginning long ago,
his articles analysing the defects of Western foreign policy and what leads to those defects. You will find
there the most powerful and informed thinking on this subject that there is.
I myself don't really belong
here because I'm a tooth and nail Deplorable as well as a foreigner. But so what? We both know that what
our respective elites are doing is wrong. We both know that there has to be some other way. If we don't
seek out balanced and considered analysis then we might as well run off and join those many dissidents for
whom dissidence is merely a hobby, or those many others for whom it merely offers occasion for dispute.
So, these inner problem's within every major intel agency can be basically summed up in just four
word's ..Beware the jews within.
Now back to my soon to be finished one page book that will sum up
everything false we were told or taught regarding WWII in all it's many areas .."The Complete Untold Truth
about, WWII" .
"Them Germans was Correct!" The End.
Best one page book length expose' one can obtain in the vast search for real fact based Truth, of which
international jewry so hate's for one to learn of eh.
Get rid of the intelligence agencies.
If Jewsa needs info about a region, country, even itself, ask Russia, China. Answers will be intelligent,
diplomatic, accurate, and relevant.
Billions saved can go to help, real help not bombs, countries
destroyed for Israel and impoverished by Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, ilk.
I asked at what precise part of his piece you smelt sophistry. Maybe I have lost my ability in reading
comprehension of your language. Could well be? Apparent from being more generally not too fond of
sloganeering.
a number of presumptions which are not supported by current reality
Just look at how during the reign of Chabad Rabbi Dov Zakiem appointed as Head of Pentagon $$$ controls
etc What began as a mention to tv reporters a day prior to 9/11 event's of somehow pentagon cannot account
for a Missing $2.3-TRILLION!!! Has as of last date I read any new revelations of that missing cash, morphed
into almost $9.5-TRILLION missing!!! And that last amount was like several month's ago.
What a
Cohencidence eh? And just think what new and worse swindle scams Israel and it's mossad wonderkins can
come up with to do next with so large an amount of Black Budget ready cash available?
Yes Yes I know that several hasbara clown's and tribal member's will say no such stolen cash ever goes
to 100% innocent Israel and it's equally innocent jewry aka "The World's Biggest and Only Victim's that
ever matter".
But daily now another 10,000 folks in America awaken to fact that research proves beyond all doubt that
virtually Every evil and bad and immoral and unethical type issue or event since 3,500 yr's ago has More
jewdeo fingerprint's all over it than any other cause period.
And once red pilled and awakened to such real truth's .None are able to return to their former asleep
position even if they wished to No amount of jewish hasbara propagandas will ever be able to undo real
truth once that cats been let out of the bag so to speak.
Mossad/Israel state moto:.."By Deception(lies!) You Shall Cause War's" .Indeed they do eh.
The author is right as far as he goes but he ignores the CIA/Wall Street complex that was established by
Allen Dulles – that complex is at the very core of the US Deep State.
That complex is held together from the top; notice that only the very connected are put in charge of the
CIA and connected means very tied into Wall Street.
The CIA, in spite of their low period in the 1970′s, has been very effective in controlling the US media.
Note how the Brennan secret team created a trap that the democrats walked right into.
And note how they have the FBI taking the fall while the CIA continues to operate in the shadows.
I like the author; he brings some sanity but he is still a creature of US supremacism.
He doesn't like me; he has blocked me from commenting at his site.
But I still hope he speaks out as far as he goes.
It is helpful to learn the point of view of the knightly orders, which, as in the middle ages, constitute a
parasitic class indoctrinated to see nothing but the stylized ethical set pieces proper to their order.
Here are a few things Lang cannot acknowledge without jeopardizing his identity:
Impunity. Doesn't show up in the list of CIA flaws, but it's staring him in the face, right there in
black and white: the Central Intelligence Agency Act, the Rogers/Huston get-out-of-jail-free card, the
Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the operational files exemption, the political questions doctrine,
and lots of secret law and regulations. Under municipal law (strictly speaking, it doesn't meet minimal
legal standards, it's administrative red tape,) CIA can get away with anything. So they are institutionally
criminal. This is a sore point, frantically repressed. Even vague recollections of old movies are enough to
trigger the traditional posturing of honor-based chivalric cultures.
Operations. Beltway courtiers are constrained to discuss CIA's intelligence function in isolation from
its overwhelmingly dominant, and inherently criminal, clandestine operations function. In reality, all
analysts are paid to do is complain about NCS crime. Then when their next criminal racket gets caught, NCS
trots out some analysts to say, 'We at CIA warned about this.' CIA operations includes gun-running,
drug-dealing, human trafficking and pedophile blackmail, murder, torture, coercive interference, and
aggression by armed bands and irregulars. Intelligence is not CIA's business.
Rule of law. Lang, in the context of the USG going to war, writes, "If the "Intelligence Community" as
it now exists were abolished, some other group would have to assume the burden of performing the same
functions." Right. That other group would be the duly constituted authority under US supreme law, the UN
Security Council, which the intelligence community devoted most of their efforts to subverting with foreign
corrupt practices and fabricated war propaganda. It's not like CIA got stuck with this job, they usurped
it.
Having had my comments deleted and been blocked several times on SST, I can tell anyone who would listen to
not listen to your advice and waste hours poring over that myopic blog. Myopic, because anytime someone
writes an interesting comment that contradicts any of Lang's masonic beliefs, Lang gets nasty. Even
TwistedGenius has had to dance around a snarling Lang because he crossed some secret line.
Sure, Lang was
right about a lot of things from 2003-2007. But he was also often wrong and no one ever dared to call him
on it.
Once again, I will point out Lang's complete failure to deviate from the narrative on things like all
these gun-grabbing "mass shootings". As I recall Lang was even very wishy washy about the second amendment,
offering to sell his guns in a government gun grab. So he lies to us about about what his masonic brethren
are up to on this front.
But of course the biggest void in his analysis is the JQ. He attends barmitzfa's, purim, and who knows
what other kind of cabal rituals. He cannot deal with the JQ because he is borg, and he knows what kind of
punishment would await him. And angry jews crying for blood revenge aren't any where near as bad as when
the masonic brotherhood turns on you.
Agree but I think it is much more than a smoke Screen and preparation for war.
The 527 paid slave drivers and their bureaucrats and military (called the USA) has become a permanent false
flag operation. The 9/11 advisory explained:
1. slave drivers have been ordered to spy on slaves,
2. slave drivers have been ordered to silence all slave protests and objections,
3. slave drivers have been ordered to study the slaves like rats in cage,
4. slave drivers have been ordered to deprive the slaves until production is sufficient to satisfy the
Pharaohs.
5. slave drivers have been ordered to keep the USA dark, slaves are not allowed to know or learn anything
they don't pay for.
6. Slaves are expected to listen to Pharaoh produced, media distributed propaganda at least 12 hours per
day.
Americans now live in fear of the Bastards from the Dark Side Kingdom of Lies.
The problem is how to save America from the USA. The USA is milking our cattle, selling our eggs,
fencing us in with costly schooling and licenses to be eligible to get work, spying on our thoughts,
destroying our earning platforms, price and ticket gating our access to information, bottling and selling
to us, our once free water and air, and generally putting Americans at risk to attack from the global
outside and famine blight from the inside.
From reader comments: If I had my way, I would bring back the draft with NO college
deferments. In fact, the sons and daughters of politicians would get called up first. Service in
the IDF doesn't count. ... ... "Yes, but expand that. Mandate that we first enlist, train, and promptly deploy any children and
grandchildren of all members of Congress, members of the President's Cabinet, federal judges, Federal Reserve Board of Governors,
and the CEOs/CFOs/CIOs etc. of military companies (including Northrup Grumman, Boeing, and their ilk). "
This is a very large "sinecure"
At a deeper level, military forces are agents/enforcers for the elite. Its primary role is the providing expansion and the
defense of the interests of the ruling elite against external and internal enemies. Without addressing the dominant social
interests in the state, a focus on shringking the military budget is quite inadequate.
I don't have a problem with 4% of GDP, but I have a big problem with what we're getting for
our money.
A quarter million for a four-star general is fine, if the general is any good (almost none
of them are by design). In theory a general is equivalent to a division manager in a Fortune
500 company, but COs in the US military have amazingly little power. They're not even free to
hire and fire their own subordinates in most cases. So our senior officers are really paid
generously to pretend they are great military commanders.
The average SAT score at West Point is only 1340 these days. Prior to the Vietnam War I
believe West Point was academically competitive with Ivy League schools, or at least that's
what Class of '68 veteran John T. Reed states.
The Naval Academy is 1322 and the Air Force Academy is 1370.
These aren't bad scores, but clearly these officers aren't elite academically.
The enlisted personnel seem adequate in quality thanks to the AFQT, other than women of
course. They're overpaid compared to what is available for them in the private sector.
The pension system, in addition to being overly generous, has perverse incentives. As any
service-member approaches that magical 20 year mark, any kind of independent thinking must
disappear (which the military already does so much to eliminate). Want your fat pension?
Better shut up and emulate your COs in every way possible. It should just be replaced with a
Thrift Savings Plan (gov't equivalent of a 401k).
One sixth of the force consists of women. Every last one of them subtracts from the
efficacy of the military.
One sixth of personnel are officers, which is far too many officers.
Then you have all the unnecessary EO officers, JAGs, and other political commissars.
I don't have an issue with the various recreational perks in the armed forces as they
contribute to espirit de corps. The private sector could use more of this, honestly.
The GI Bill is also politically objectionable as we should not be giving money to The
Enemy (colleges in this case).
This is the price a mercantile republic pays for an all volunteer fighting force.
When you have less than 5% of the population serving in the military and commitments all
over the globe, then you need to be prepared to pay for those professional services (yes, the
military is a profession like any other). If you're prepared to go back to a draft force, then we can start talking about changes to
the pay and benefit system.
Personally, I think service of some kind, be it military or community, ought to be a
requirement to vote. Service guarantees citizenship.
Maybe you can help me on the following ancillary matter? F.y.i., Mighty John Bolton passed on an opportunity to fight LBJ's atrocious war against
communism, in Vietnam. As PreZident Trump's present Iranophobe-warmongering N.S.A. Adviser, I tried (but failed)
to determine how much pay & "bennies" Bolton now gets from the bottomless Executive
Branch feeding trough.
Same scam, different tactics. 40 years ago we lived in Annapolis, MD in the lowest tier of a then – New housing
development concept. Our cramped townhouses were on the scrabble outer ring.
The most lavish houses were in the inner-ring, on a divided boulevard, extensively
landscaped and maintained. At least 3/4 of those homes were owned by "Double-Dippers"–
military retirees collecting military retirement pay while employed as civil servants in
Federal gov, with defense contractor consulting on the side.
"Thank you for your service,"– in cash, if you please.
I do not mind community service, but I object to military service and I do not want to
vote. Voting gives legitimacy to a system that I oppose. I was born in the geographical area
now ruled by the government of the United States of America. Perhaps, LT Dan, you would be in
favor of a status such as non-citizen resident. I was born in this area by a quirk of fate,
not any choice on my part. I do not usually agree with US government policy, nor do I want
the US government to represent me or "protect" me. It would be just for me to pay less taxes
since I do not desire and would gladly refuse most of the "services" the government provides,
especially those noted in the above article.
Neither me, my father, my grandfather, nor my great grandmother served in the US Military,
but one of the large defense contractors put bread on the table for four generations of my
family. My 90-year old grandmother is still collecting my grandfather's pension from that
firm and he's been dead for 30 years!
US is rich and the debt is high. Both can be true at the same time. But taxes are relatively low so if there is a
government debt crisis paying down the debt would just involve raising taxes. Just look at GDP per capita US which is very
high up there so I don't see how anyone can argue the US is not a very rich country.
Despite many problems, the US has many advantages like half the world's Ashkenazim who are very good at creating
unbeatable new companies .etc., etc., etc .
Thanks for the laughs. You must be of the Maven-Krugman school of debt. You're all wrong, and it's obviously beyond your
understanding that though you can fool almost all of the goyim almost all of the time, you can't fool all of us all the time.
AEN, thank you for your fine input, but I suspect you're throwing pearls to swine who
don't even want to understand.
Even worse, when they claim that debt is good, they conveniently leave out the part about
who it's good for.
We dumb goyim have repeatedly proven ourselves to be pretty easy marks, but some of us
have a clue as to who's paying for it all, and its good to know that a few know who that
would be, so thanks again.
That was a jolting eye-catcher. So this general still receives a six-figure pension
check!? I've often marveled at the moral fiber exhibited by these gilded peacocks, who, when
faced with supporting criminal actions by their government, such as invading countries who've
done us no harm, click their heels and proceed. Instead of taking an instant retirement,
knowing their pensions are secure.
You would still be required to pay some kind of lease or tax for the land which you
occupy, but would otherwise be left alone. You would also be subject to the criminal laws of
the jurisdiction you occupied. You would also pay taxes for any consumption that requires use
of infrastructure or interstate commerce.
The United States is large enough that such an arrangement is still possible.
" US spends 4% of GDP on the military versus 2% in China, France, UK. That's high but
considering how rich the US is, not unbearable. Weak article "
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -
Every productive dollar that's ever existed has been flushed down the MIC rathole. The
whole "budget "is an elaborate ruse to conceal the chains that bind you.
10's of trillions disappear with gleeful approval on a regular basis.
Mr. Girard, buon giorno. You must be my elder. In '68 I was paid $96 plus $26 combat pay
while in Nam.
Yea, things are out of control. Unfortunately, the store clerk you ran into the other day is
representative of how the majority of "we the people" think. Hence, don't expect change
anytime soon.
I have been a fan of yours for sometime now. Mostly at NEO, sometimes art Rense. I recently
began accessing UNZ and was pleased to see your name in the list of contributors. Sadly I
don't predict improvement in the majorities attitude. But, you do fine work, dom't quit just
yet. As long as we can keep the internet affordable reality may trickle down. I believe the
net is the reason the "fake news" moniker had to be. Sort if like "conspiracy theory". Same
party owns both copyrights.
Keep your head up.
Joseph
Foreign entanglements, searching for monsters to destroy, acting as the world police
– this is the main problem.
Yooge problems for sure, but playing Sugar Daddy to Izzie-land is the biggest one of all
in terms of dollars as well as moral capital, and it probably dwarfs welfare subsidies to
"defense" corporations.
When I joined the U.S. Army in 1965 my starting pay was slightly less than 100 dollars per
month. Soldiers then were said to be "in the service". Today they are "in the military".
Later in life I realized that I had been "in the service" of evil. Still later I learned that
the love of money is the root of evil.
The American Dollar Dies in New York – a Satire from Uganda:
JS, Since Rumsfeld admitted, the day before 911 when he helped murder 30 forensic
accountants plus a handful of Naval Investigators, you are 1 of the few I ever heard mention
the stolen money. Since the Clinton administration up to 2016 the number is now $21
$Trillions, from just 2 departments.
BB, I personally know a couple who are around seventy, very healthy and active, who have
parlayed multiple pension-qualifying careers between them in the armed forces, postal
service, teaching, and county government, into astounding lifestyles. Harley motorcycle,
Winnebago, big house, weekend cottage, cruises, the whole shebang.
They're very nice people, part of the local Puerto Rican ascendancy, first generation
descendants of the Puerto Ricans recruited by the now defunct local steel mills back in the
1950s.
I'm sure it can be said they worked for what they got, but, still . . . you gotta wonder
what's going on.
Military spending has one virtue, it is constitutional as it fulfills one duty of the
FedGov, one it has often shirked, defend the country.
Giraldi can whine all he likes, but the DOD is not an entitlement program, nor does the
Pentagon get all it wants. It never has gotten all it wants, no matter how much Giraldi
whines to the contrary.
I've never seen such a warped and delusional understanding of the voracious, insatiable,
wasteful and corrupt National Security State presented so succinctly
P.S. I have a feeling that War Machine accounts have written Quatermaster a lot of checks
over the years. I.e., he knows what side his bread is buttered on.
anon, tell it like it is. Everyone should also know the debt servce cost to our budget is
the interest Americans pay. What's 2% of 20 trillions? 40 billions? IDK l, but it's alot.
Well that's the federal reserve *a private corp.) income estimate for the yeat, which the
share holders, all 6 of them, pay no income tax.
Since the Clinton administration up to 2016 the number is now $21 $Trillions, from just
2 departments.
Can you explain to me how that even works, technically? E.g. the DoD is supposed to have
"stolen" a lot more money than its entire regular budget – how could they even lay
their hands on such sums? What accounts did that money sit in before it was siphoned off,
without anyone noticing?
The US military are the equivalent of the Roman Empire's honestiores, or upper classes. As
well as the benefits accruing from service, they had special legal treatment, like being
exempt from judicial torture. So Arthur Lichte merely gets part of his pension docked for
raping a woman. Nothing to see here , mate, move along. Even someone like Chelsea ( " They
call her Natasha, but she looks like Elsie" ) Manning spends a mere 7 years in prison and
gets the Defence Department to pay for "gender reassignment".
The point about judicial torture is important as America has recently revived the practice.
Would Assange be waterboarded if they got hold of him ? Would he have met a fatal "accident"
in custody?
Who knows ? But don't you even think about doing that to an American serviceman, even one as
degenerate as Manning.
That wasn't a response. It was just name calling. So if you aren't convinced by my
rebuttal it's certainly not because you had more intelligent analysis.
You use a lot of figures but not the appropriate statistics. What do big aggregate numbers
like 200k in debt per family really mean?
I look at the percentage of tax revenue v. GDP compared to other first world countries. US
is actually on the low side by this measure. That means it's possible to raise taxes and only
moderately harm the economic growth engine. And no one has addressed the advantages the US
economy has in particular having half of the world's Ashkenazim.
Rumsfeld admitted, the day before 911 when he helped murder 30 forensic accountants plus
a handful of Naval Investigators,
Thanks, it's nice to know that there are others who are wide awake. Trouble is, even those
who have a clue can't even imagine the .0001% of it, I'm sure.
What accounts did that money sit in before it was siphoned off, without anyone
noticing?
We'll probably never know. The system is not exactly designed for transparency, and
besides, guess where the missile, errr, "plane" hit the Penta-graft?
Wouldn't it be fun to ask Rummy the Smirking Dummy that question?
I bet this swinish character could provide a bit of insight with a little Nuremberg or Abu
Ghraib style info gathering as well, and here's a partial rap sheet
Dov S. Zakheim was sworn in as the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) and Chief
Financial Officer for the Department of Defense on May 4, 2001. Dr. Zakheim has previously
served in a number of key positions in government and private business.
Most recently, he
was corporate vice president of System Planning Corp., a technology, research and analysis
firm based in Arlington, Va. He also served as chief executive officer of SPC International
Corp., a subsidiary specializing in political, military and economic consulting. During the
2000 presidential campaign, he served as a senior foreign policy advisor to then-Governor
Bush.
From 1985 until March 1987, Dr. Zakheim was Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for
Planning and Resources in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense (Policy). In that
capacity, he played an active role in the Department's system acquisition and strategic
planning processes. Dr. Zakheim held a variety of other DoD posts from 1981 to 1985.
Earlier, he was employed by the National Security and International Affairs Division of the
Congressional Budget Office.
Dr. Zakheim has been a participant on a number of government, corporate, non-profit and
charitable boards.
The United States military is a giant jobs program, Giraldi!
So what of it! Who cares. Conjure up those dollars out of thin air and let the troops have
some loot. Did the Founding Fathers warn us about large standing armies in their writings and
actions? Yes.
Did the Founding Fathers know that a large standing army would require a concentrated form
of governmental power to collect the loot to pay for that army? Yes.
Did we just pass the 800 year anniversary of the Magna Carta? Yes. Was the Magna Carta
about standing armies and concentrated government power, among other things?
Were the Founding Fathers somewhat ungrateful to the British Empire for its efforts in the
French and Indian War? Yes.
Would the Founding Fathers be surprised to find a Jew billionaire named Shelly Adelson
controlling the use of the US military in the Middle East and West Asia? The cynical and
smart ones wouldn't be surprised at all.
The GOP has the War budget and the US military and the Democrats have the public schools
and many other government workers. The GOP always promises to spend more loot on the War
budget and the US military and the Democrats always promise to spend more money on the public
schools and other government programs.
Giraldi has written a CLUNKER of a blog post, folks!
Giraldi should write about mass immigration, monetary extremism and the impossibility of
paying for the retirement of the baby boomers.
Mass Immigration: DEMOGRAPHY
Monetary Policy: DEBT
Baby Boomers: NATION WRECKERS
The American Empire is soon to go belly up in a manner similar to the upcoming demise of
treasonous rat John McCain.
The WASP /JEW ruling class of the American Empire knows this. A pleasant consolation is
that China, Japan and Europe are just as badly bankrupt as the American Empire is.
Raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent and implode the American Empire. Young people
must no longer be saddled with massive unpayable debt and the unpayable retirement of the
baby boomers. Pull the plug on the baby boomers now, and let the young people have a
future.
The Chinese, Japanese and Europeans will implode also. Use the nuclear deterrent and
offshore balancing to keep global peace.
Giraldi can whine all he likes, but the DOD is not an entitlement program, nor does the
Pentagon get all it wants.
If it isn't an entitlement program, then what would one look like? Do you know the meaning
of "sinecure?"
You can whine about Giraldi all you want but he's right and yer wrong, and thank G-d that
the Pantygon doesn't get all it wants. Can you explain whether it should and why?
PS: Read the comments regarding disabilities and retirement bennies and then get back to
us.
You really don't want affirmative action nurses looking after anymore than those Bombay
specials that the VA hires as doctors. It's not a perk, it's just free.
The VA is a train wreck because of these people. No one wants to say squat because you
have to point a finger at all the AA hires and that would get you labeled as a racist.
And oh they are paid, very, very well. The average RN makes over a $100k at the VA. I know
private sector nurses who went to work for the VA because of the pay and bennies. Plus you
can't get fired.
You do realize that "waterboarding" is part and parcel of SERE school in the military and
has been for a very long time. It's where the Pentagon/CIA got idea of applying to a bunch of
sand monkeys.
Anyone who is special ops gets waterboarded so are fighter pilots and the like. The MSM
always neglects this fact.
Dov Zakheim is a nasty Neo-Conservative Jew rat, that is widely known. Zakheim was one of the
Neo-Conservative rats who helped to drag the US military into the Iraq War debacle. Seems
Neo-Conservative rat boy Dov Zakheim also made himself a wealthy rat through his connections
to the WASP / JEW ruling class of the American Empire.
But,
Let's not forget nasty Neo-Conservative Jew rat Michael Chertoff and his pal General
Michael Hayden. Baby boomers Chertoff and Hayden have made out like bandits from their involvement in the
Deep State of the American Empire. I say the baby boomers are an evil generation of nation wreckers. Tweets from 2015:
At least half of our military bills should be sent to Israel. Practically all of our wars
these days are on their behalf. The other half should be paid by a war tax. All those who
support going to "necessary" wars overseas for "humanitarian" reasons or other will pay into
this tax, starting with the neocons and the media (not just mainstream liberal media but many
right wing neocon mouthpieces like National Review, Breitbart, DailyCaller).
Last but not least, any elected official who votes for or calls for war with any nation,
from Trump to Pence, Nikki Haley, John McCain, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo et al. should fork
out 100% of their salaries to pay for the war until it ends.
What evidence is there that the trade discussion is based on China reducing treasury
holdings rather than counter-tariffs on US agricultural goods and potentially in a number of
other areas like education services (blocking Chinese families from sending kids to lower
ranked US colleges)?
America's Republican politicians complain that "entitlements," by which they mean
pensions and medical care, are leading the country to bankruptcy even as they fatten the
spending on the Pentagon, which now takes 12 percent of the overall budget.
The US military budget should be $100 billion .do what you can.
"Despite many problems, the US has many advantages like half the world's Ashkenazim who
are very good at creating unbeatable new companies. Just look at how the half the 40 riches
entrepreneurs under 40 in the US according to Forbes are Jewish. Jews are producing so much
innovation in the US that it offsets a lot of the problems like military spending at 4% of
GDP and less productive sub-populations."
Average daily volume in the Treasury market is $500 billion, and the Federal Reserve
System is authorized to create unlimited quantities of currency to purchase Treasuries (and
other gov't securities) in any case.
This isn't the financial weapon of mass destruction people think it is.
The Chinese themselves know this, which is why they stopped adding to their position and
have gradually reduced it.
A more effective strategy would be to focus financial firepower where the Federal Reserve
isn't authorized to operate, such as the commercial paper market. Probably Congress itself
would then act, but if you can buy enough seats for hard money dweebs you might be able to
cause serious trouble.
I'm sure the Roman Empire had some version of waterboarding.
The Roman Army's form of punishment was known as decimation , a word now
commonly used by semi-literates to torture knowledgeable historians, philologists, and
wordsmiths, including not a few Baby Boomers , who apparently know a lot more than
you, and who also are smart enough to blame the guilty -- and not an entire generation -- for
the misdeeds or evil gains of a relatively few assholes.
But I know subtle nuance like that must be difficult to understand for those who can paint
-- or splatter -- only with a very broad brush.
As if remotely possible to do so, Realist recommended:
"The US military budget should be $100 billion .do what you can."
Hi (Sur)Realist,
A question. Above, who would meaningfully tell that to the ZUS Defense Department, Joint Chiefs of
Staff, & the military contractors? Sheldon Adelson? Netanyahu? Take heart! I trust Peter Aus will appear & bring your do-gooder passion into
practical reality. Thanks, nevertheless!
You make my point for me.
As I said, Judicial Torture was used on humiliores, and, indeed, in European Inquisitorial
Systems until the late C18th and early C19th.
A person or entity whose liabilities outweigh its assets, is not rich.
This is more true when the entity, like the US Fed Gov, has vastly more liabilities than
physical assets, let alone readily marketable assets.
The fed gov has promised to pay more each year than it has recently taken in as revenue,
and more than it has any realistic hope of generating anytime soon.
The fed gov is in hock more than 20 trillion in the books right now, and over 100 trillion
projected forward.
Yeah the fed gov is rich.
Looking at average and median private-household net worth will not make the picture much
rosier.
Commissaries, gyms, and hair salons on bases in the USA must end.
Pay the soldiers well, but have them live and try to get by in the same economy and world
as their employers -- WE THE TAXPAYERS.
Also, require soldiers to live off base and pay their own housing (boosting their cash pay
accordingly) OR start counting their housing as taxable income as it would be for the rest of
us mere TAXPAYERS.
Evil baby boomers in Europe, England and the United States have been protected by the
monetary extremism of the European Central Bank, the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve
Bank.
It is now time to financially liquidate the evil baby boomer generation. If the Federal
Reserve Bank raised the federal funds rate to 10 percent, and the ECB and BoE raised interest
rates similarly, the baby boomers in the USA, England and most of Europe would be financially
busted. The baby boomers have been the generation that benefited the most from the monetary
extremism of the last few decades, and especially since 2008.
The federal funds rate went over 20 percent in 1981, 10 percent now would wipe out the
asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate. Do it.
The baby boomers are an evil generation of nation-wreckers. Bill Clinton and George W Bush
are prime examples of evil globalizer baby boomers.
Tough shit that you don't like his tone. We don't like being systematically ripped off and
told it's patriotic.
We should start either taxing the military employees' housing allowance OR require them to
buy their own housing off-base. I'd be fine with increasing cash salary to make up for it.
Let's get an honest number on what their salaries really are and then debate whether they get
paid enough.
And by all means let's reform and reduce officer pensions. End this last-three-years
calculation and require more than 20 years "service" to get half or more of one's salary as
pension. They are desk jobs and they can and should work at least, say, THIRTY years before
being able to retire st that level of pension and work elsewhere.
Military is a wasteful fraudulent untrustworthy bureaucracy like any other in the fed gov
-- or worse because they get a free pass from a lot of people.
The oil and gas resources alone owned by the federal government are worth some $200
trillion. Then there's the fact that the taxing authority of the federal government makes any fiscal
deficit a matter of choice to begin with.
Am fairly sure you know about Donald Rumsfeld early political career, including his
special assignment as an ambitious congressman, & on behalf of the A.Z.C.
If not, below I link ZUS Defense Secretary "Shit Happens" treasonous letter to Robert F.
Kennedy.
And we need Russian equipment to get into space these days, apparently. That would be troublesome even if Russia were an ally, as perhaps they should be.
It's worse when our gov chooses to slander, threaten, sanction, and encircle the country
on whom we are relying.
Imagine China refusing to sell us what we need AND Russia refusing to let us use or buy
its space equipment.
For that matter, there's so much demand for oil and natural gas in India and China --
likely to keep increasing, too -- Russia eventually may be able to say "we will sell to
anyone EXCEPT companies and facilities in the USA, and anyone caught reselling to the USA
will join them on the blacklist." If Iran and, say, Venezuela or Nigeria did the same, watch
out.
Deliberate dishonest distraction. Whether the DOD got as much as it wanted, it gets much
more than our actual defense requires, and the people on the gravy train know it.
The fact that defense is a specifically enumerated duty and power of the fed government,
has nothing to do with the proper amount to spend on that function.
Money spent attacking countries that are not attacking us here in the USA, are not
preparing for imminent attack on us here in the USA, and are not aiding those who are
attacking or preparing to imminently attack us here in the USA is NOT part of that legitimate
constitutional function.
Same with money spent defending Israel or Saudi Arabia, helping the saudis kill Yemenis in
Yemen, helping islamists or anyone else overthrow the gov of Syria, etc.
Same with money spent defending (or controlling) Germany, France, South Korea, Japan,
etc.
Calling that "whining" is not an argument. It suggests that you lack an honest, logical
argument on this issue.
The threat is the Mexicans we have allowed in, not any credible military threat from
Mexico's armed forces.
Our military should be posted on the entire southern border with orders to kill all
invaders who do not heed warnings to turn back. Add a minefield, barbed wire fencing where
absent, and armed drones.
The clothing allowance is for purchase, upkeep, and repair of uniforms. There is a
bureaucratic mindset of having things clearly laid out which guarantees a lot of this
spending, especially when the time preferences of new enlistees bears out the wisdom of
having a specially set aside and clearly labeled clothing allowance. Many good critics with
detailed grievamces skip over the governmental addiction to trying to solve reality with
longer and longer rulebooks.
Radical Center proposed: "Russia eventually may be able to say "we will sell to anyone
EXCEPT companies and facilities in the USA, and anyone caught reselling to the USA will join
them on the blacklist."
Hi Radical Center,
Speaking with utmost respect for your typical sound-thought, have you ever approached the
issue from the Globalist's (ideal) "Radical Center" perspective where the planet's economic
& military Superpowers decide how crude oil & natural gas sale & distribution is
done?
Radical Center opined: "Our military should be posted on the entire southern border with
orders to kill all invaders who do not heed warnings to turn back."
Hi Radical Center,
The biggest problem I have with the solution (above) is your having used, in error, the
words, "Our military."
Were that the actual case, Jewish Lobbies, billionaire ZUS Jews, Congress, & PreZident
Trump would be very pissed at Mr. Giraldi's for provocatively having the gall to use the
description, "American military" in his article title.
Thanks again, Radical Center. By increment, you are getting there! So please simply
consider dropping the word "Our"?
Like one of the Maven Shama's "old grey mares, "That ain't what it used to be."
There are two standards one for enlisted personnel and the other for officers. During the
Grenada situation some enlisted personnel and officers were caught attempting to ship
captured AK-47 rifles back to the states. The enlisted personnel got "hard time" in
Leavenworth while the officers got "letters of reprimand". Double standard, indeed.
I might have made the military a career, but the disparities in both facilities and treatment
of officers vs. enlisted was a real turn-off. I completed my enlistment honorably and
returned to civilian life.
It is my humble opinion (and personal observation) that the commissioned officer rank
structure where there is concern for the enlisted troops ends with the rank of colonel. The
general staff is more akin to political office than it is to serving in the military and
taking care of their military subordinates.
As to "pay and allowances", when I was active duty (1969-1971) it was not much. In fact, at
the time, those of us in uniform were looked down upon and blamed for the prosecution of the
Vietnam conflict. Not only that, legislated job programs that were supposed to go to us
Vietnam veterans never materialized.
Yes, the all-volunteer forced made it necessary to increase "pay and allowances" to
relatively attractive levels.
If I had my way, I would bring back the draft with NO college deferments. In fact, the sons
and daughters of politicians would get called up first. Service in the IDF doesn't count.
You are correct. The rest of the world that falls under the USA "defense umbrella" can
afford extravagant social programs as they do not pay for their defense. In fact, WE are
required to pay rent on foreign bases in which to place our troops.
If I had my way, all foreign troop deployments would stop. Those countries requesting our
"protection" would have to pay for it.
Seems to me, that was one of President Trump's campaign promises–making foreign
countries pay for their defense.
You sir are an American hating leftist. The military, until the left decided it was the
government's job to provide cradel to grave care for everyone accounted for more than 75
percent of the federal budget. To complain that the military consumes 12 of the budget while
Medicaid consumes 50 percent is a straw man. Having been an infantry man I can tell you that
anyone who can do 20 or 30 years deserves a life long pension. Being a man is hard on the
body.
He's currently a court bailiff, a patronage job here, earning maybe in the low $30s. Plus,
his 20-year Army pension, plus his 20+-year postal service pension. He's a high school grad.
His wife is fully retired with a 20-year Army pension, and a teacher's pension with about 20
years in.
I'll take a wild guess their retirement income is no less than $100,000 a year in my very
low-cost area.
A go-figure sort of deal. Not just double-dipping. More than that, as you and other folks
here have said. It's a mentality, a mind-set. For some of the worst of those high-salary
government folks, there are only three types of Americans: Bill Gates and other billionaires,
government workers, and Americans who are too stupid to find a corporate or government milch
cow.
You're right, of course. These days I try to always write and say "the US government"
rather than "OUR government." I should have done the same with "US military."
Mandate that we first enlist, train, and promptly deploy any children and grandchildren of
all members of Congress, members of the President's Cabinet, federal judges, Federal Reserve
Board of Governors, and the CEOs/CFOs/CIOs etc. of military companies (including Northrup
Grumman, Boeing, and their ilk).
Looks like US military belong to the privileged class like it was in late Roman empire
Notable quotes:
"... This why career servicemen love the military, they are making 2-3 times more than comparable civilians, and they know it! Read my article if you are confused. Then many of these "retirees" leave at age 40 with nice retirement, then get a regular federal job, and put in for every minor ache and pain and get a thousand or more dollars each month in VA tax free "disability" pay. Sleep Apnea (aka snoring) is a popular disability to claim worth up to 50%. Some get 100% disability but you wouldn't know it if you met them, and still work for Uncle Sam full time! The LA Times reported that after Senator John McCain announced he was fit to run for President, he was getting military retirement, 100% tax free VA disability, his Senator pay and social security retirement! ..."
"... For me the pay and benefits aren't the core problem. We are paying to destabilize the world, kill US citizens, kill civilians, increase terror all for wars that don't benefit the American citizenry as a whole in any way. ..."
Today's United States has 2,083,000 soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen on active duty
plus reserves. Now that the military is an all-volunteer rather than a conscript force, it is
understandable that pay and benefits should be close to or equivalent to civilian pay scales.
Currently, a sergeant first class with 10 years in service gets paid $3968 a month. A captain
with ten years gets $6271. That amounts to $47,616 and $75,252 a year respectively plus
healthcare, food, housing, cost of living increases and bonuses to include combat pay.
Though there are several options for retirement, generally speaking a soldier, sailor Marine
or airman can retire after 20 years with half of his or her final "high three" pay as a
pension, which means an 18-year-old who enlists right out of high school will be 38 and if he
or she makes sergeant first class (E-7) he or she will be collecting $2338 a month or more for
a rest of his or her life adjusted for cost of living,
Many Americans would be astonished at the pensions that general officers and admirals
receive, particularly since 80% of them also land in "retirement" generously remunerated
positions with defense contractors either in active positions soliciting new contracts from
their former peers or sitting on boards. General David Petraeus, whom
The Nation describes as the "general who lost two wars," pulls in a pension of $220,000
even though he was forced to resign as CIA Director due to passing classified information to
his mistress. He is also chairman of a New York City based company KKR Global, which is part of
a private equity firm Kohlberg, Kravis Roberts. He reportedly is paid in six figures plus
bonuses for "oversee[ing] the institute's thought leadership platform focused on geopolitical
and macro-economic trends, as well as environmental, social, and governance issues."
It apparently is difficult to take money away from general and flag officers. An Air Force
four-star general named Arthur Lichte was reduced in
rank to a two-star in 2017 after he was found guilty of having raped a lower ranking woman
officer. His pension went down from $216,000 to $156,000 due to the reduction. Normally,
however, America's 1,000 general and flag officers can look forward to comfortable
retirements.
But on top of that rather generous bit of cash there are the considerable other benefits, as
the old recruiting sergeants would put it, the "bennies." Military retirees can receive full
tuition and expenses at a college or technical school if they choose to go back to school. This
is why one sees so many ads for online universities on television – they are trolling for
soldier dollars knowing that it's free money. The retiree will also have access to heavily
subsidized medical care for him or herself plus family. The medical care is a significant bonus
under the Tricare system, which describes itself on its website as "the gold standard for
medical coverage, [that] is government managed health insurance." A friend who is retired
recently had a hip replacement operation that would have cost $39,000 for only a few hundred
dollars through Tricare.
What is significant is that even enlisted military personnel can start a second career on
top of their pension, given that many of them are still in their thirties. Some that have
security clearances can jump into highly paid jobs with defense contractors immediately while
others also find places in the bureaucracy with the Department of Homeland Security. Working
for the government twice is called "double dipping."
Some would argue that military personnel deserve what they get because the jobs are by their
very nature dangerous, sometimes fatal. Indeed, the number of maimed and PTSD-afflicted
soldiers returning from the endless wars is a national tragedy and caring for them should be a
top priority. But the truth is that only a very small fraction, by some estimates far less than
20% of Army and Marine personnel in so-called "combat arms," ever are in danger. Air Force and
Navy personnel rarely experience combat at all apart from bombing targets far below or
launching cruise missiles against Syrians. It is true that given the volatile nature of war
against insurgents in places like Afghanistan many soldiers in support roles can come under
fire, but it is far from normal and most men and women in service never experience a gun fired
in anger.
Some numbers-crunchers in the Pentagon have already raised the alarm that the current pay,
benefits and retirement levels for military personnel is unsustainable if the United States
continues its worldwide mission against terrorists and allegedly rogue regimes. And it is also
unsustainable if the U.S. seeks to return to a constitutional arrangement whereby the nation is
actually defended by its military, not subordinated to it and being bankrupted by its
costs.
Wait, so this is a lefty Democrat blog now, where The Nation is cited favorably?
Our men in uniform, particularly the grunts, make sacrifices that the others don't make.
Sure, some officers are corrupt and the military manages to manufacture demand for its
expensive products, but this article goes way too far.
Captains with just eight years in service rake in over $100,000 a year with nothing more than
a four-year degree in history! Senior enlisted can also make over $100,000 a year with a high
school diploma, plus free family health care and zero contributions to retirement. After just
four years of service, a married GI is making more than the average American college graduate
with 20 years of work experience! I wrote about this several years ago for those who still
fall for the draft era "poor GI myth".
Note our military spends billions of dollars on recruiting ads, but never mentions high
pay. If they did, Congress may end the annual pay boost and lines would form at recruiting
stations. Even most "experts" and reporters are confused because military lobbyists use the
inflated ECI index (which includes increased health care and workers comp costs) rather than
just wages, and pretend housing and food allowances are not income. Even the average military
pilot earns twice a much as the average airline pilot, based on facts not Pentagon spin
stories.
This why career servicemen love the military, they are making 2-3 times more than
comparable civilians, and they know it! Read my article if you are confused. Then many of
these "retirees" leave at age 40 with nice retirement, then get a regular federal job, and
put in for every minor ache and pain and get a thousand or more dollars each month in VA tax
free "disability" pay. Sleep Apnea (aka snoring) is a popular disability to claim worth up to
50%. Some get 100% disability but you wouldn't know it if you met them, and still work for
Uncle Sam full time! The LA Times reported that after Senator John McCain announced he was
fit to run for President, he was getting military retirement, 100% tax free VA disability,
his Senator pay and social security retirement!
Now before some ignorant servicemen whine about those serving in combat zones or deployed
on ships, note that fewer than 10% of GIs ever serve in a real combat zone, not the fake ones
like Bahrain. They rate their pay, but not those working soft office jobs in Hawaii or San
Diego or Florida. Keep in mind that we have a volunteer force, and our military must constant
prune the career force since far too many want to stay in as long as possible. No one leaves
because of poor pay, but because of political BS.
I usually share your disdain for The Nation magazine. But in the vein of stopped
clock correctness twice a day even it can sometimes be correct, witness its editor Steve
Cohen's completely admirable efforts to lend sanity and substance to America's Russian
foreign policy!
I've seen articles decrying that first-year married privates are eligible for food stamps.
Because their housing, medical, and the cost of living differential are not "income". They're
living on more than twice the reported income. So yeah, they have arranged the pay precisely
so that they are not subject to any income tax, and are in some cases eligible for food
stamps.
They have rec vehicles they can check out, boats and four-wheelers, snowmobiles and etc.,
special parks and land reservations, scenic cabins they can stay at with trifling fees or are
free. Ours has a golf course that must be staggering for upkeep. Gyms, facilities for parties
and events – stuff you'd pay a lot for in the private sector. The subsidized shopping
is still there, but is not the huge discount it was at one time, at the bases in this
state.
The state gives them all kinds of benefits like instant residency for hunting and fishing.
The stores give them discounts. Military appreciation days.
And frankly it isn't your STEM people, business and tech fields going into the military.
Their next best alternatives are a pittance by comparison. For who you are getting, the
quality of recruit, this is well paid.
I don't mind that so much as having three times the size we need to defend our borders,
which is what we should be doing and no more. Foreign entanglements, searching for monsters
to destroy, acting as the world police – this is the main problem.
4% of GDP, is it? Not sure about that but I do know it's 30% of federal tax revenue.
Military spending is about $1 trillion, if you include
all the various categories , per annum; whereas Federal receipts are about $3.3 trillion
per annum.
So about 30% of all Federal tax receipts – 30% of the money stolen from me at
gunpoint, which forces me to labor for months every year without pay – goes to corrupt
contractors, murderers and war criminals to oppress and murder people and destroy property
throughout the world in service to the Evil Empire, including, of course, Jew supremacist
Israel.
So since you think it's so "bearable", you Evil Empire supporter, why don't you kindly
give me back my 1 month of stolen labor every year to pay for your beloved Evil Empire's
perpetual Campaign of Death, Oppression and Destruction?
Clearly is if you look at your debt to GDP and deficit.
Interesting because the US has its history as part of the English tradition of no standing
armies, militias, all possible due to the favourable geography of having a strip of water, or
moat as Shakespeare put it, to deter potential invaders. The US military really is a WWII and
Cold War creation. That the US seems to be the only nation not have benefited from the end of
the cold war dividend in reduced military spending is an impressive feat by lobbyists and
neocon ideologues.
For me the pay and benefits aren't the core problem. We are paying to destabilize the
world, kill US citizens, kill civilians, increase terror all for wars that don't benefit the
American citizenry as a whole in any way. At one time they might have been for
corporations now they are for Israel.
You're spot on. By the Late Roman Empire, society was divided into 2 groups – the
humiliores ( lower classes ) and the honestiores ( upper classes ). Soldiers belonged to the
latter group, and most historians consider that the common soldier never had a higher status
in any society.
History doesn't repeat itself exactly, but modern day America has largely followed the Roman
route. Certainly, the sheer cost of the Roman Military was a factor in the decline and fall
of the Roman Empire.
The Roman soldier had a much more dangerous period of military service than the risk averse
modern American military. Roman veterans certainly earned their benefits.
What is the real "defense burden" (the percentage of our GDP spent on the military) sans
bullshit accounting tricks and "reclassification" of expenses.
For example, if we used accounting methods as used in some of the more efficient, less
bloated military establishments of our allies, what would be the actual cost to our economy
of our defense spending?
For all we know, military expenditures may actually be back to Reagan Cold War percentage
levels, or slightly more.
Article didn't mention the dependency allowance. I looked on military websites to find the
amount but you have to be registered military to find the amount
There is a clothing allowance, why? And the military is heavily affirmative action
Hispanic black and female I live near a big VA. Twice a day hundreds of VA employees drive
right past my house. Almost all are black. I drive through the VA often. Most everyone I see
is black except for the Indian immigrant Drs.
California vets get some kind of no down payment low interest mortgage. When they retire
they can get a loan for $50,000 to use for setting up a business or buying rental
property.
Our men in uniform, particularly the grunts, make sacrifices that the others don't
make.
Based on my experience as a young kid, and observations as an old fart, I call BS on that
unless "sacrifice" has acquired a new meaning on the street that I'm unaware of.
US spends 4% of GDP on the military versus 2% in China, France, UK. That's high but
considering how rich the US is, not unbearable. Weak article.
The US is rich? Living on borrowed, stolen and extorted money and we're rich? The US has
become a huge third world strip mall republic, complete with an overstuffed and parasitic
military, and you think we're rich?The whole murderous,mendacious, thieving, and morally and
financially bankrupt enterprise is poor by any significant measure, so your "reasoning" is
what's weak.
Rank 'Ol Rummie spoke the truth once and it happened one day before the towers were
pulled.
Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon
"The adversary is closer to home; it's the Pentagon bureaucracy "
- Donald Rumsfeld on Sept. 10, 2001
PS: For those who don't know where the missile, err, "plane" hit the Pentagon on 9/11, do
a tad of research and tell me, with a straight face, that it was some coincidence.
Federal Debt $20 trillion, Accumulated Balance of Trade Deficit since 1990 $12 trillion (
unadjusted for inflation ). That's not even including State and Local Debt, never mind
Private Debt.
The only thing preventing complete bankruptcy is that the Dollar is the World's Reserve
Currency- for now. Once China and others start dumping US Treasury Bonds, that will be
over.
Two of my friends own motorcycle dealerships in San Antonio. Gee. I wonder how they can
sell so many, compared to dealers in towns without major military bases
We spend more than the next ten nations, COMBINED. To "defend ourselves" from goat herders
that can't afford passports or air tickets. 800 bases scattered across the planet. But,
thinking about it, folks like somalians have been invading the US OH. WAIT! Federal refugee
programs have been importing somalis. NEVER MIND.
We fight them there so we can bring them here and put them on welfare/food stamps? Makes
perfect sense.
I was in the field and in a number of firefights during my year in Vietnam, 69 – 70,
and I find the idea of some store or VA clerk thanking me for my service offensive as all get
out because I know these well meaning strangers, who owe me nothing at all, are being played
for fools to serve the interests of America's worst enemy, Israel and its American fifth
column. I'm also disgusted by this new breed of soldier who's less any sort of manly patriot
than a skin-headed, "muh brothers, muh mission" wind-up martinet who mistakes the vain
daintiness of pumping iron as well as technical superiority's easy targets for manliness. As
for the Pentagon, it's the mother of all bureaucracies whose leaders but for the costumes are
no more warriors than the time-serving hacks in any other bloated bureaucracy, who couldn't
care less, as the facts make clear, about sending young Americans to die and be maimed so the
sons of their Israeli masters need not.
I used to feel smug after jumping from the US military to banking in the knowledge that my
starting pay was several multiples of my military pay and even outstripped that of the JCS
heads who I served under.
Somewhere along the way, probably in the 2000s during the so-called War for Talent,
Federal civilian and military pay got a significant uptick well in excess of what the KSAs
(Knowledge, Skills, & Abilities) of these folks as measured by OPM and DoD, and there has
been no looking back.
Giraldi might be right that the troops are overpaid, but that is just the tip of the
iceberg that is the Military Industrial Security Academic Complex.
Defense spending is allegedly 3.6% of GDP ($700B / $19,000B) but is actually over 5% if you
factor in the hidden Defense spending. VA benefits, over $100B, nuclear arsenal covered under
Dept of Energy (my favorite) over $30B, Defense portion of debt service over $100B, and other
places that I'd have to dig up.
Defense spending is over 30% of the budget, the low ball 15% is only if you include social
security and medicare which you should not because that is covered by dedicated payroll
taxes. If payroll taxes were eliminated, those programs would go away but the budget deficit
would not be impacted. This is a trick that defense consultants play to make Defense spending
look smaller.
Defense spending is over 50% if you also discount our annual debt service, this is why the
$1.3T featured $600B for domestic vs $700B for Defense.
I thought that singling out military pay was a tad mean spirited. Capping pensions that
disproportionately benefit Generals who then go onto consulting jobs for Defense contractors
and get paid positions on FOX might be a good idea but I didn't like the tone of this
column.
No serious person who says they care about budget deficits can approach them without
looking at Defense Spending.
- Chris Chuba
One of the disturbing actions of the soldier worshipping conservatives is the Wounded Warrior
scam which uses crippled and deformed GIs in ads aimed at the heartstrings of the American
public. The fact that so many soldiers are returning from useless wars in dire condition
should be the responsibility of the Department of Defense (War) and its Government which is
responsible for the mayhem and violence in so many parts of the world not a subject for
organized begging which often preys on the suffering of the young.
Re; Mr. Giraldi's brave & unspoken words: "(ZUS military) Pay and benefits are way out of
control"
With a long history of planning & implementation, below, presstv explains how radical
"citizens" were headhunted & placed in control as to when & how our hallowed ZUS
troop commanders do their Jewish job assignments.
US is rich and the debt is high. Both can be true at the same time. But taxes are
relatively low so if there is a government debt crisis paying down the debt would just
involve raising taxes. Just look at GDP per capita US which is very high up there so I don't
see how anyone can argue the US is not a very rich country.
Despite many problems, the US has many advantages like half the world's Ashkenazim who are
very good at creating unbeatable new companies. Just look at how the half the 40 riches
entrepreneurs under 40 in the US according to Forbes are Jewish. Jews are producing so much
innovation in the US that it offsets a lot of the problems like military spending at 4% of
GDP and less productive sub-populations.
Good article, Phil. I served in the 1970s, tail end of Vietnam Stateside, and never heard a
shot fired in anger. I am grateful for the G. I. benefits I received.
No institution in a representative democracy ought to be above measured criticism. I have
a relative who volunteers at the local VA clinic, and there's some sketchy evidence that some
patients with very good group health insurance benefits are working the system and getting VA
treatment to avoid co-pays.
I personally found David Hackworth's criticism of the American military fairly persuasive.
Deep bureaucratization, tunnel vision, advancing officers for their inoffensiveness and
favor-currying chops, the whole mess.
Plus add the big three already mentioned by some folks above. (1) America's armed forces
are a Petri dish for social engineering, (2) corruption, (3) the political mafia-zation of
America's armed forces so that it's acting as a White House-directed quasi-mercenary
"enforcer" for corporate interests and various other sovereign interests.
"An Air Force four-star general named Arthur Lichte was reduced in rank to a two-star in 2017
after he was found guilty of having raped a lower ranking woman officer".
You say he was ***reduced in rank*** for raping a female subordinate?
Why wasn't he given 50 lashes, a dishonourable discharge, and a prison sentence? Even a
random civilian would get the prison sentence for rape. And for such a senior officer to
commit a crime like that is, of course far, far worse.
Israel and their ziocons control every facet of the U.S. gov and have used the U.S. army as a
proxy army of Israel to fight and die for Israel in the ME while they sit it out in their
ivory towers in Tel Aviv and New York City and London.
To add to the tragedy millions of civilians have been killed in these wars for Israel in
Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria and Yemen and various other places through out the
ME, and all of this carnage for Israel.
Just like the Roman empire where the rulers paraded their conquering armies through Rome ,
Trump wants to parade his Israeli proxy armies through D.C. and take their review as a
Caligula. Trump is a puppet of the zionists and Netanyahu and his controllers the ROTHCHILDS
ie the RED SHIELD which is dripping with Americans blood.
Orwell was right, the wars never end in OCEANIA and we have become Oceania, and all
because of our zionist masters.
That was a very good article with lots of facts that I was unaware regarding the various
forms of compensation. I have not been in the miltary. I will tell you that I have seen how
things work on the procurement end, and that is the real shitshow, moneywise. The amount of
wasted money in personnel involved in trying to micromanage a contractor, the "generation" of
paperwork that must weigh 10X vehicle max-gross-weight in order to sign off on it, and other
things, ruin the job for the technician or engineer in any company making stuff for the US
military.
(BTW, that last sentence of mine brought up the only one (little tiny) thing that I didn't
like about the article. You KEEP USING "his and her", "he and she", etc. Enough of that crap,
please, Mr. Giraldi. Unz is one of a number of place on-line on which one doesn't have to be
PC. He can write as he pleases. The rest of your English is very professional,
so why this?).
Anyway, great article, just the facts and honest opinion without any hyperbole. Regarding
your very last paragraph, BTW, it's not just that the army is so costly, but if America ever
had to defend itself from one of the countries we buy parts from, cough, China , cough, cough,
that'll be a laugh. We are operating on borrowed money, as Jack S (#16) stated, AND foreign
supply lines. We're number 1! Yeah!
Among the lots of good comments on the thread so far, yours is kind of an outlier, to put
it nicely. No, you cannot be both rich and in debt (6 – 7 X more than your yearly
income) at the same time. . There are perhaps different definitions of broke that people
or families may use for themselves.
1) Out of spending cash – got assets, but awaiting more income before any spending
can resume. That's not too bad – it just shows lack of foresight or bad luck.
2) Broke even – got some assets, but owe the same amount – income is about the
same as expenditures expected. There are lots like this – they need to buckle down, but
will probably be OK.
3) Flat broke – can't borrow anymore due to bad payment history, even to friends and
family – not enough income to pay expenditures or even on this.
4) Broke like the US Feral Government – borrowing 1/3 of the money for the
$4,000,000,000,000 budget each year, as only 2/3 can be collected via personal
income/corporate income/excise/etc. taxes (just look near the back of the IRS 1040
instructions – they're not hiding this stuff). Total debt of $20,000,000,000,000 is 5 X
the budget each year and 6-7 X the income collected yearly. It is > 100 % of the total
GDP. There is no coming out of this hole without financial pain for almost everyone but those
with a Challenger or other large/medium-cabin business jet with precious metals stashed on an
island or S. American/Oriental country with a runway on your compound with armed guards.
"some"? Har-Dee-Har-Har. What percentage of people who separate from the military claim a
"service related disability"? With that designation they not only get the retirement benefit
bump but also set-asides for government jobs and contracts as well. Based on the number of
service related disability claims by veterans, the United States must have the most
physically fragile fighting force on the planet.
And in this age of stupid perpetual wars, every "disabled veteran" is assumed have been
shot up in the Middle East when if fact it's more likely they tripped on the steps on the way
back from lunch at Fort Leavenworth. That erroneous assumption of a combat related disability
is great for milking benefits from a sympathetic public.
And there's more. Sleep apnea claims as a service related disability by veterans have
exploded. Same with PTSD.
The web is saturated with advice on how to game the military disability system.
A vet I knew laughed as he told me he got a disability award for his knee. Only that
injury came from playing too much basketball at his U.S. base. Another "disabled veteran" I
know does Cross Fit to stay in shape. His most dangerous deployment was to southern Europe
where he met his wife. And yes, he advertises his disability on his business web site and
does qualify for government contract set-asides.
Too bad for the taxpayers though. Since the military has been sanctified by the powerful
Pentagon/MSM "Warrior-Hero" propaganda engine, challenging out of control military benefits
is a political and social third rail.
The web is saturated with advice on how to game the military disability system.
A vet I knew laughed as he told me he got a disability award for his knee. Only that
injury came from playing too much basketball at his U.S. base. Another "disabled veteran" I
know does Cross Fit to stay in shape. His most dangerous deployment was to southern Europe
where he met his wife. And yes, he advertises his disability on his business web site and
does qualify for government contract set-asides.
Too bad for the taxpayers though. Since the military has been sanctified by the powerful
Pentagon/MSM "Warrior-Hero" propaganda engine, challenging out of control military benefits
is a political and social third rail.
"... I'd say the Saudis and the petrodollar are the main reason for the US trying to keep Iran poor and on the defensive. The Iranians will never accept American control over the Mideast oil supply, while the Saudis have signed on as long as we provide military protection. If the US ever allows the petrodollar to fail, its economy will crumble. That won't be allowed to happen without a fight. ..."
"... this creates an opening for a presidential campaign based on the slogan "no more Jewish wars." ..."
"... The Israelis and their American Jewish bros and worldwide Jewry assume that on averages, Iranians will be smarter and have a better work ethic than any Arabs, which means that if left alone. Iran could come to dominate the Moslem Middle East. And that easily could lead to Israel being made little more than a tiny dot wit nukes the US backs to the hilt. ..."
Why did the Cockatoo-in-Chief renege on the Iran deal deeply prized by Russia, China,
France, Germany, England, and the European Union? Why did he deliberately damage relations with
Europe and cost American workers many thousands of jobs at Boeing among others? Why do all of
this to hurt a country that poses no danger to the United States?
Israel.
Israel, Israel. Israel. Israel.
Always Israel.
If Iran were a threat to the existence of Israel, things would be different. If Muslims
conquered the Jews, they would presumably treat them as badly as Israelis, and very likely
worse. It would be ugly in the extreme. To prevent this, use of the American military would be
justified.
But Iran does not threaten the existence of Israel. It does threaten Israel's dominance in
the Mid-East. Iran is far larger and more populous than Israel, strategically located, and has
vast amounts of oil. It is a large market for many European products. By contrast, Israel is
small and has nothing anyone needs or wants. Left to itself, Iran would become the dominant
regional power. It moves fast in that direction now with burgeoning trade with Europe in, among
many other things, airliners. With economic influence comes political influence.
Consequently Israel does not want Iran to prosper. If it can, Israel will use the American
military to prevent this prospering. It will destroy America's relations with the rest of the
world to prevent it. It is doing so.
As thinking people know, the twaddle about the Iranian's development of an atomic bomb is
just that–twaddle. The Europeans know this, which is why they are not alarmed. The US
government know it, since the intelligence agencies have repeatedly said that Iran does not
have a program aimed at producing a nuclear weapon.
But: Whenever the American government, or those controlling it, wants to drive the US into a
war, it invents a frightening danger and warns of it over and over and over until a poorly
educated public believes it: The Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq's WMD, the Iranian bomb. It's
a frightening world, Washington tells us. Things go bump in the night. Boo.
Where does Trump fit into this? Although his supporters offer him as a masterly statesman,
biographies, which few read, show him to be profoundly ignorant, incoherent, narcissistic,
weak, and easily manipulated. He loves attention and craves praise. He is also corrupt. As a
businessman he danced just this side of the law in many shady real-estate deals. All of this is
documented, but few will read of it.
Some will say that this isn't true. Go back and look at the things he said during the
campaign, the positions he was going to take before he was modified. He astonished people who
worked in his White House not just by his lack of knowledge but his lack of interest in
learning. We are ruled by a histrionic dwarf.
But, in a country with no checks and balances on presidential power, foreign policy is what
he says it is, and America attacks whoever he wants it to attack.
So why did he ditch the Iran deal? There is of course anti-Jewish posting on the web to the
effect that the Jews are manipulating the government to go to destroy Iran for the benefit of
Israel. This doesn't hold water, or only a little water. Surveys have shown that American Jews
favor the Iran deal more than do other Americans. This probably is because they are more
attentive and better informed than the notoriously clueless US public. (e.g. JStreet
and
WashPost. ) But while "the Jews" didn't sink the Iran deal, a comparatively small number of
Israel-firsters did. These are the Neocons, warlike and heavily Jewish, plus the Jewish lobby
AIPAC plus a few Jewish billionaires. Collectively they determine American foreign policy, and
not for the benefit of America–which, again, has nothing to gain and much to lose by
being manipulated into a war that does not matter to America.
Members of AIPAC are often accused of dual loyalty. I don't think so, though it is the best
we can hope for. They should recuse themselves, though of course they will not.
The assertion that America should fight only wars in the America interest will be called,
sigh, anti-Semitism. It is not. Yes, there exists in some quarters an obsessive, grinding
hatred of Jews. Historically this hostility has been common if not universal and has led to
brutal pogroms. But it has nothing to do with war against Iran. The desire for America to have
an independent foreign policy hardly suggests a Cossack mentality. There is no reason to let
Israel and a small set of Israeli patriots in New York force policies much to the harm of the
United States.
But this is not at all unlikely. In Washington–where I worked in journalism for
decades–fear of Jews is so great that no one dares say what a great many are thinking. It
gets ridiculous. I remember many years back interviewing in the Pentagon the general who headed
the armor command, whose name I forget. In such interviews there is usually a babysitter
present, often a major from public affairs, who tries to manage spin.
The general and I were chatting about tanks, in which we both had a technical interest. He
commented that the Merkava, a home-brew Israel tank, was reasonably good but not in a class
with the American M1. As inflammatory comments go, this was truly lame. Yet when I left, the
babysitter came charging down the corridor to assure me that the general was not insulting the
Israeli tank, the general didn't mean, and the major hoped I wouldn't think etc. It's that
crazy.
Whether Trump believes what he says about Iran's imaginary lunge for a Bomb is not clear. In
Washington it is routine to lie about this or that dreadful danger so as to herd the
deplorables toward a desired folly–but is Trump herding or herded? He is clueless about
things military and appears to have no grasp of technology. Geography is not his strong suit,
as witness his invention of a country called "Nambia." Netanyahu and the Neocons outclass him
by a wide margin and apparently drive him like a truck.
If Trump were an American President, he would tell the Israelis to fight their own wars with
their own military. Is he? Watch.
Fred Reed is a retired news weasel and part-time sociopath living in Mexico with his
wife and three useless but agreeable street dogs.
If there's a column to be written that reflects the elite consensus of Western Europe and its
sneering attitude towards the United States, Fred Reed is sure to write it. That is unless
he's writing a column reflecting the elite consensus of Mexico City. He'll do that one too.
This hard-hitting, well-written article seems to have issued from a different pen than the
one you usually wield. I'm not criticizing the other Fred as I enjoy reading his columns
irrespective of my agreeing with what he may have said or left unsaid. But generally, the guy
who writes under the pen name Fred is a little more circumspect in discussing IsraelFirsters,
or so it seems to me. If I'm mistaken I'm sure the clamoring commenters will correct me by
showing how this piece too, is just a backhanded Zionist ploy to lull me into letting my
guard down etc.
If Iran were a threat to the existence of Israel, things would be different. If Muslims
conquered the Jews, they would presumably treat them as badly as Israelis, and very likely
worse. It would be ugly in the extreme. To prevent this, use of the American military would
be justified.
Why is that? I thought you had gotten over the Policeman of the World syndrome, Fred.
Fred wrote that were the situation reversed the Muslims would treat the Jews even worse than
the Jews treat them but where does he draw this presumption from? Iran is said to have the
largest population of Jews in the ME outside of Israel and they even have representation in
the Iranian parliament. Many of them are highly critical of Israel and don't consider it to
be the real deal.
There have always been Jews living in the ME when the power equation was reversed and yet
they stayed and they survived. Prior to the unrestrained violence of the Jews in the Nakba
relations appeared to be quite cordial.
The Israelis are always looking for enemies to fight, and Iran, as a large country with a
decent sized military and deeply Islamic government, is a possible threat, but I don't think
Israel is the main reason most American leaders are for keeping pressure on Iran . I'd say
the Saudis and the petrodollar are the main reason for the US trying to keep Iran poor and on
the defensive. The Iranians will never accept American control over the Mideast oil supply,
while the Saudis have signed on as long as we provide military protection. If the US ever
allows the petrodollar to fail, its economy will crumble. That won't be allowed to happen
without a fight.
Nice try, but the Saudi lobby doesn't run the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the
government. You know perfectly well (((who))) does:
" I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or
the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
Trump's backing out of the Iran deal has raised the price of oil by 'escalating middle East
tensions'. Saudis who sell oil are profiting, and they are barely-hidden good friends of the
Israelis. Russians who sell beaucoup oil are profiting, and they are, despite what Unz's Saker-Faker
says, good friends of the Israelis
Trump's buddies in US shale oil debt, are profiting and getting a bail-out, and they and
Trump are good friends of the Israelis
The US petro-dollar is profiting and getting an extra boost of life, as higher-price
oil-sales by Saudis and others get recycled into US dollars
Iran which sells oil is profiting, and they too may be ultimately in the game with the
Israelis, 'the best enemy money can buy', like the old Soviet Union was for the US the UK
economist Antony Sutton proving half a century ago that the 'Cold War' was a scam
Win – win – win, it seems – oil buyers such as Europe being the 'losers'
– with some common soldiers and people, cannon fodder, being dead in the middle East,
to make it all look legit
Iran stuck rigorously to the agreement despite its humiliating and provocative nature. WTF does only Iran have to comply to
this intrusive inspection on nuclear power? To appease Israel of course that doesn't lose any sleep over Iran's nuclear
energy...
It would be extremely politically correct and would be excoriated, of course, but this
creates an opening for a presidential campaign based on the slogan "no more Jewish wars." ...
Why do all of this to hurt a country that poses no danger to the United States?
Israel.
Israel, Israel. Israel. Israel.
Always Israel.
Money.
Money.Money.Money.Money
Always Money.
Trump, King of the Deal, is looking forward to the 120+billion, Jimmy Carter took from
Iran, earning interest in our vaults. Prediction: Trump reverses: rewrites the deal; keeps
their Money, pleases us all.
Surveys have shown that American Jews favor the Iran deal more than do other
Americans.
Maybe, but they're also not calling attention to the skullduggery and machinations of
AIPAC, Bibi and and Likud party in trying to get another war started. Jews favoring the deal
aren't going to rock the boat with their fellow Jews who are against it.
Trump is just Bibi's pawn like I feared he would be. I'm still in shock that Fred had the cajones to criticize Bibi and Israel and call them
out for the hostilities and looming war with Iran . I figured he might try to pin it all on
the alt-right just like the alt-right is the only thing standing in the way of racial amity
between white and mestizo and a black-brown utopia in America.
Its been fascinating how in the latest propaganda campaign that Iran's nuclear weapons
program has suddenly become real. Before, while this deal was being negotiated, almost all
the world's intelligence agencies agreed that Iran was not producing nuclear weapons. Only
the Israelis disagreed. The war-war-war-and-more-endless-war factions of the American deep
state said Iran was making nuclear weapons, but even then the official intelligence estimates
said they were not.
There is a lot of very slippery language around this. Before the deal, America and
especially the pro-war media, had a way of talking about "Iran's nuclear program". This was a
reference to Iran's legal and permitted civilian nuclear program, but done in a scary and
threatening way that made the audience assume that it was about Iran's nuclear weapons, which
is was not. Now, Trump takes this even further and rants and yells about "Iran's nuclear
research" as if that was the same thing as a program producing nuclear weapons, which of
course it is not.
Trump is destroying America standing in the world and tearing apart the trans-Atlantic
alliance all over a mythical nuclear weapons program that the Ayatollah had banned as being
"un-Islamic" and which all the world's intelligence agencies agreed that Iran did not
possess.
Technically, Trump and Bibi are both Sheldon Adleson's pawns, as the casino owner
finances the campaigns of both.
Adelson's money comes from productive Americans, as do the billion$ funneled to Israel
from the US government. Thus do we finance our own destruction. Irony is hell, ain't it?
You said it "he's an actor" Trumps a slime ball and he has a long record to prove it, as
far as the N.Korea deal goes it will be a no go, because no matter how much Kim offers it
will never be enough, and lets not even get into the fiscal mess with Trump only making it
worse, for that too within its own time will straighten itself out, but not to our liking I'm
sure.!!!
But while "the Jews" didn't sink the Iran deal, a comparatively small number of
Israel-firsters did.
Fair enough, Fred; but then, where are the voices of the rest of them ? You're not
suggesting that "comparatively small number" of them are controlling the whole discussion,
are you?
Unless we hear a clear protest from 'the rest of them' in the near future, I would rather
posit that, in spite of their recorded support for the deal, they will tacitly acquiesce to
Trump's actions to help build the 'greater Israel.'
It may be that Trump knows quite well that Kennedy was killed two weeks after he threatened
Israel not to sell them arms any more, if they continued developing their atomic bomb.
Avner Cohen,'Israel and the Bomb', New York 1998
An interesting aspect of the book is that this period of two weeks has been more or less
buried.
The author refers to common hatred of Jews, expressed in pogroms. I would give the quote but
am unable to copy because of all the fancy software. But use your 'find in page' for
"pogrom". Note that the word is Russian, meaning something like excessive violence.
That the author is talking off the top of his head is forgivable. We are most of us
carrying the same load of crap. But it would be good to see the level of scholarship here at
Unz equal to that at the Dailystormer, from where I get this quote:
In actual fact, the idea of pogroms in the Russian Empire, in which "thousands of Jews
were slaughtered" has been utterly debunked. They've been debunked not by an obscure "Far
Right" think-tank, but by Professor John Klier – a widely respected scholar and
non-Jewish former head of the British Association for Jewish Studies who published his
findings in a number of volumes via Cambridge University Press (I summarize Klier's
findings here). Among Klier's findings, the most important of which can be found in
Russians, Jews and the Pogroms of 1881-82 (2011) was that the vast majority of pogrom
narratives were developed and disseminated by a single Prussian Rabbi – Yizhak
Rülf.
According to Klier, Rülf specialized in "sensationalized accounts of mass
rape." These accounts would then be disseminated in the Western media with the help of
Jewish journalists, and used by groups like the British-based Russo-Jewish Committee to
push for Western government 'action' against the Tsar.
Despite contemporary British
government investigations which revealed that no rapes had occurred and perhaps only one or
two murders had been committed throughout the Russian Empire, and because most of the
general public will never hear about the research of Professor Klier, the myth of thousands
of massacred Jews in eastern pogroms remains in the popular consciousness, and is obviously
still very deeply embedded in the Jewish folk memory.
Cannot see why:
- EU is becoming irrelevant
- the USA must continue wars
On the contrary, the USA must stop spending huge sums on wars that just cost money.
Both the USA and the EU are pretty much autarcic, EU trade with non EU countries is just some
5% of gross EU income.
Do not know the figure for the USA, but it must be in the same order of magnitude.
The dollar indeed is a huge problem, but what will happen if the USA no longer pays interest
on and amortization of loans ?
Not much, I suppose.
A country cannot go bankrupt.
Maybe China would have the biggest problem, the Chinese regime fails in making Chinese
consume, they save.
If export is no longer possible, huge unemployment will result.
Fred is correct that Israel does not want Iran to prosper, which means that Israel would have
finagled a plan to have the US destroy Iran even if Iran had not tinkered with nukes. It has
to do with Arab vs. Indo-European. The Israelis and their American Jewish bros and worldwide
Jewry assume that on averages, Iranians will be smarter and have a better work ethic than any
Arabs, which means that if left alone. Iran could come to dominate the Moslem Middle East.
And that easily could lead to Israel being made little more than a tiny dot wit nukes the US
backs to the hilt.
Jews know that Arabs are like them Semitic, and the core-deep culture says to ally with 1
Arab nation is better for Jews. So Saudi Arabia is in. The Saudis would do virtually anything in order to be the top dog of the Moslem world,
because then Saudis would destroy all political power tied to Shiites, and steal all oil
wells controlled by Shiites, giving nearly 100% of it to Sunni Arabs.
The Jewish plan is to enable various Mohammedans to slaughter one another, which means
they cannot be focused on Israel, and to use the US to supply the money and manpower to jump
start every move and play it out.
JFK was murdered because he went against the Deep State, and that includes his desire to
stop Israel from illegally developing nukes.
Jews began their war against the Kennedys because of Joe, who realized the machinations of
various Brit Elites and American WASP Elites and Jews to make certain there would be a WW2.
And, as makes perfect sense going back to the very beginning of WASP culture, the desires of
Jews and WASP Elites were a perfect match.
If a nuclear device is "lit off" in an American or European city, it will have Israel's
fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as
well as sabotaging the Palestinian "peace process" that the world wants it to take
seriously.
In fact, if a nuclear device is "lit off" anywhere in the world, it will have come from
Israel's secret nuclear "stockpile".
The "power outage" in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical
"sleight of hand", as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the "power
outage" without receiving customs clearance or inspection. This is one of many Israeli
companies that possesses a "special exemption" granted by the U S government that frees it
from customs inspections. Just maybe another one of Israel's nukes was just being
pre-positioned, getting ready for "the big one". As most Americans are tired of all of the
foreign wars being fought for Israel's benefit, another "incident" on American soil would be
enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another
war for Israel's benefit. Israel's "samson option" is a real threat to "light one off" in a
European or American city, if Israel's interests are not taken seriously.
Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already
distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them
are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel's nukes are already "in
place". Look for another "false flag" operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria.
You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.
Israel also threatens to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total
INSANITY; the so-called "Samson Option" is it.
As an aside, American "foreign aid" is prohibited from being given to any country that has
not signed the "Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty" or refuses to abide by "International
Atomic Energy Agency" (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel
does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American "foreign aid". This
prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their "agents of a foreign
government" with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its "American
Israel Political Action Committee" (AIPAC) still gets "foreign aid" in contravention of
American law..
There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy "wonks"
infecting the U S government who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel. Such dual citizenship
must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said
foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of
American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should never be allowed
to serve in any American governmental capacity.
When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians
slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel just
who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the
United States they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to
Israel
Mr. Reed is quite wrong when he says this (but hardly surprising):
"If Iran were a threat to the existence of Israel, things would be different. If Muslims
conquered the Jews, they would presumably treat them as badly as Israelis, and very likely
worse. It would be ugly in the extreme. To prevent this, use of the American military would
be justified."
Perhaps he needs to brush up on ME history:
For the record:
In 638 CE Palestine fell to the Muslims under Caliph Omar. To this day, many Jews refer to
the arrival of the Muslims as a "liberation" for Omar gave them unfettered access to
Jerusalem, which they had been denied under the Christian Byzantines. Omar was equally
generous to the Christians. "Never in the sorry story of conquest up to that day, and rarely
since, were such noble and generous sentiments displayed by a conqueror as those extended to
Jerusalem by Omar." (Report by Sir William Fitzgerald on the Local Administration of
Jerusalem, Jerusalem: Government Printer, 1945, p.4)
In 1187, Saladin liberated Jerusalem from the brutal Crusaders and invited the Jews they had
expelled to return and practice their faith freely. (It is easy to understand why Palestine's
indigenous Arab Jews were among Zionism's most ardent opponents.)
To quote Israeli Rabbi Menachem Froman, chief rabbi of the West Bank settlement of Tekoa, and
a champion of inter-religious reconciliation: "[E]very Jew who learns the writings of the
great sages – who, at the head of them all stands Maimonides – knows that our
great thinkers wrote in the Arabic language, lived in Islamic states and participated with
the great Muslim thinkers in the effort to explain the words of God, according to the paths
of the sages and amidst the difficult bloody battles that we have had since the beginning of
Zionism with the Muslims." We know that the war between the Jews and the Muslims is the work
of the cursed devil. We know that Islam is named after peace." (Haaretz, September 18,
2006)
the 'petrodollar' / Federal Reserve Note / fiat debt slavery for the planet, is the
weapon with which the Fiend menaces mankind.
There really isn't a petrodollar basis for the US economy. The edifice upon which the US
economy is built is more of a consumer-dollar + welfare dollar + MI-complex dollar. Each of
which has some share of a "petrodollar" component.
"The Jewish plan is to enable various Mohammedans to slaughter one another, which means
they cannot be focused on Israel."
– This is known as Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel. A blueprint for the ongoing
slaughter. So Jewishly "most moral."
Oded Yinon, "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties," Association of Arab-American
University Graduates, Inc. Belmont, Massachusetts, 1982, Special Document No. 1, ISBN
0-937694-56-8
"The Schutzstaffel (literally "Protection Squadron") was a major paramilitary organization
under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) The two main constituent groups were the
Allgemeine SS (General SS) and Waffen-SS (Armed SS). The Allgemeine SS was responsible for
enforcing the racial policy of Nazi Germany and general policing, whereas the
Waffen-SS consisted of combat units within Nazi Germany's military. A third component of the
SS, the SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV), ran the concentration camps and extermination
camps. Additional subdivisions of the SS included the Gestapo and the Sicherheitsdienst (SD)
organizations. They were tasked with the detection of actual or potential enemies of the Nazi
state, the neutralization of any opposition, policing the German people for their commitment
to Nazi ideology, and providing domestic and foreign intelligence." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
– Sounds like Mossad and the "most moral" IDF.
Warsaw Ghetto: "On January 18, 1943 the Germans suddenly entered the Warsaw Ghetto Within
hours, some 600 Jews were shot and 5,000 others removed from their residences. The Germans
expected no resistance, but the action was brought to a halt by hundreds of insurgents armed
with handguns and Molotov cocktails.
I remember taking an immigration law class in law school. The question of dual citizenship came up, specifically as to when it began. Not surprisingly, it began when
Israel became a nation so that jews could hold citizenship
in both countries with impunity.
It was just another facet of the old practice of felons fleeing the United States before
being prosecuted for their crimes by boarding an el al flight to israel. That ruse has been
done many times especially for the rabbis who bugger or otherwise molest the children under
their charge.
Hamas is a creation of Israels mossad just like ISIS aka AL CIADA which creation is shared
by the U.S. and Israel and Britain ie the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6.
As usual, it's both. Foreign Influencer #1 and Foreign Influencer #2 are terrified of Iran
for a number of reasons. Frankly, if we ditch them both and ally with Iran we'd have more
influence in the region. JK, Iran needs us far less than the other two. Anyway, go figure,
our "friends" play us like a fiddle and get their problems solved.
"... A historically low percentage of our population -- less than half a percent -- actually serves in the military. Compare that to around 9% during the Vietnam War, and 12% during World War II. Remarkably few of us ever see combat, ever even know anyone who was in combat, ever get to hear firsthand stories of what went on or witness what life is like for such a returning veteran. Not surprisingly, America's wars now largely go on without us. There is no personal connection. Here in "the homeland" -- despite the overblown fears of "terrorism" -- it remains "peacetime." As a consequence, few of us are engaged by veterans' issues or the prospect -- essentially, the guarantee -- of more war in the American future. ..."
Memorial Day is over. You had your barbeque. Now, you can stop thinking about America's wars and the casualties from them
for another year. As for me, I only wish it were so.
It's been Memorial Day for me ever since I first met Tomas Young. And in truth, it should have felt that way from the moment I
hunkered down in Somalia in 1993 and the firing began. After all, we've been at war across the Greater Middle East ever since. But
somehow it was Tomas who, in 2013, first brought my own experience in the US military home to me in ways I hadn't been able to do
on my own.
That gravely wounded, living, breathing casualty of our second war in Iraq who wouldn't let go of life or stop thinking and critiquing
America's never-ending warscape brought me so much closer to myself, so bear with me for a moment while I return to Mogadishu, the
Somalian capital, and bring you -- and me -- closer to him.
Boom!
In that spring of 1993, I was a 22-year-old Army sergeant, newly married, and had just been dropped into a famine-ridden, war-torn
country on the other side of the planet, a place I hadn't previously given a thought. I didn't know what hit me. I couldn't begin
to take it in. That first day I remember sitting on my cot with a wet t-shirt draped over my head, chugging a bottle of water to
counter the oppressive heat.
I'd trained for this -- a real mission -- for more than five years. I was a Black Hawk helicopter crew chief. Still, I had no
idea what I was in for.
So much happened in Somalia in that " Black
Hawk Down " year that foreshadowed America's fruitless wars of the twenty-first century across the Greater Middle East and parts
of Africa, but you wouldn't have known it by me. That first day, sitting in a tent on the old Somali Air Force base in Baledogle,
a couple of hours inland from the capital city of Mogadishu, I had a face-to-face encounter with a poisonous black mamba snake. Somehow
it didn't register. Not really.
This is real , I kept telling myself in the six months I spent there, but in a way it wasn't or didn't seem to be.
After about a month, my unit moved to the airport in Mogadishu -- away from the snakes, scorpions, and bugs that infested Baledogle,
but closer to dangers of a more human sort. Within a few weeks, I became used to the nightly rat-tat-tat of machine gun fire
coming at us from the city. I watched the tracers streak by as we crouched behind our sandbagged fighting positions. We would return
from missions to find bullet holes in the skin or rotor blades of our Black Hawk helicopters, or in one case a beer-can-sized hole
that a rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) round punched cleanly through the rear stabilizer without -- mercifully -- detonating.
And yet none of it felt like it was quite happening to me. I remember lying on my cot late at night, not far from the flight line
full of Black Hawks and Cobras, hearing the drone of low-flying American AC-130 gunships firing overhead for hours on end. The first
boom would come from the seaward side of the field as the gunship fired its M102 howitzer. A few seconds later, another
boom would mark the round's arrival at its target across town, sometimes with secondary explosions as ammunition stores went
up. Lying there, I remember thinking that those weren't the routine training rounds I'd heard a hundred times as they hit some random
target in a desolate training area. They were landing on real targets, actual people.
Two other memorable boom s come to mind -- one as we waited in the back of a sun-baked supply truck, heading out on a volunteer
mission to give inoculations to kids at a Somali orphanage. Boom . The ground shook to the sound of one of our Humvees and
the four Army soldiers in it being
blown apart by the sort
of remote-controlled bomb that would become a commonplace of insurgents in America's twenty-first century wars. And a second, the
loudest during my six months there, as a generator perhaps 20 feet from our tent exploded into flames from an incoming RPG round
that found its target in the middle of the night.
This is real . I kept saying that to myself, but truthfully the more accurate word would have been surreal . The
care packages I was receiving, the Tootsie Rolls and Cracker Jacks and letters from my wife back home telling me how much she missed
me might as well have been from another planet.
Our helicopters flew daily reconnaissance missions ("Eyes over Mog" we called them) above the Somali capital. We did battle damage
assessments, checking out pockmarked buildings the AC-130s had targeted the night before, or the shot-up safe house that Somali warlord
Mohamed Aidid -- our operation's target (just as the US would target Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, and the leaders of various
terror groups) -- had reportedly been using as a control center. Once a beautiful mansion, it was now riddled with thousands of bullet
holes and TOW missile craters.
We flew over Mogadishu's bustling marketplace, sometimes so low that the corrugated metal roofs of the stalls would blow off from
our rotor wash. We were always looking for what we called "technicals" -- pick-up trucks with machine guns mounted in their beds
-- to take out. Viewing that crowded marketplace through the sight of a ready-to-rock M-60 machine gun helped reinforce the message
that all of this was beyond surreal.
Lives were ending violently here every day, and my own life, too, could have ended at any moment. Yet it was just about impossible
to believe that all of a sudden I was in the middle of a violent set of incidents in a third-world hellhole, the sort of thing you
might read about in the paper, or more likely, would never hear about at all. You'd never know about our near-nightly scrambles to
our fighting positions behind a pile of sandbags, as the AK-47s cracked and the tracers flew overhead. It wouldn't even register
as a blip in the news back home. In some bizarre way, I was there and it still wasn't registering.
A Soldier Just Like Me
Just days after returning home from Somalia, I (like so many others) watched the footage of dead American soldiers -- at least
one a Black Hawk crew chief -- being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu by cheering Somalis. For the first time, I found myself
filled with a sense of dread, a profound that-could-have-been-me feeling. I imagined my mother looking at such a photo of me, of
her dead son's body -- as someone's mother was undoubtedly doing.
If my interior landscape was beginning to shift in unsettling ways, if the war, my war, was finally starting to come home, I remained
only minimally aware of it. My wife and I started a family, I got a civilian job, went to college in the evening using the GI Bill,
and wrote a couple of books about music -- my refuge.
Still, after Somalia, I found myself drawn to stories about war. I reread Stephen Ambrose's blow-by-blow account of the D-Day
landings, picked up Ron Kovic's Vietnam memoir, Born On The Fourth Of July , for the first time, and even read All Quiet
On The Western Front . And all of them somehow floored me. But it wasn't until I watched
Body of War , Phil Donahue's 2008 documentary about Iraq war veteran
and antiwar activist Tomas Young, that something seemed truly different, that I simply couldn't shake the feeling it could have been
me.
Tomas was a kid who had limited options -- just like me. He signed up for the military, at least in part, because he wanted to
go to college -- just like me. Yes, just like so many other kids, too -- but above all, just like me.
He, too, was deployed to one of America's misbegotten wars in a later hellhole, and that's where our stories began to differ.
Five days after his unit arrived in Iraq -- a place he deployed to grudgingly, never understanding why he was being sent there and
not Afghanistan -- Tomas was shot, his spinal cord severed, and most of his body paralyzed. When he came home at age 24, he fought
the natural urge to suffer in silence and instead spoke out against the war in Iraq. Body of War chronicled his first full
year of very partial recovery and the blossoming of his antiwar activism.
Just a few weeks after the film's release, however, it all came crashing down. He suffered a pulmonary embolism and sank into
a coma, awakening to find that he'd suffered a brain injury and lost much of the use of his hands and his ability to speak clearly.
The ensuing years were filled with pain and debilitating health setbacks. By early 2013, he was in hospice care, suffering excruciating
abdominal pain, without his colon, and on a feeding tube and a pain pump. Gaunt, withered, exhausted, he continued to agitate against
America's never-ending war on terror from his bed, and finally wrote a "
last letter " to former President George
W. Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney, airing his grievances, which got
significant media
attention .
When I read it, I felt that he might have been me if I hadn't lucked out in Mogadishu two decades earlier. Maybe that's what made
me reach out to him that April and tell him I wanted to learn more about what had happened to him in the years between Body of
War and his last letter, about what it meant to go from being an antiwar agitator in a manual wheelchair to a bedridden quadriplegic
on a feeding tube and under hospice care, planning to soon end his own life.
A Map of the Ravages of War
When I finally met Tomas, I realized how much he and I had in common: the same taste in music and books, the same urge to be a
writer. We were both quick with the smart-ass comment and never made to be model soldiers because we liked to question things.
Each moment we spent together only connected us more deeply and brought me closer to the self that war had created in me, the
self I had kept at such a distance all these years. I began writing his story because I felt compelled to show other Americans someone
no different from them who had had his life, his reality, upended by one of our military adventures abroad, by deployment to a country
so distant that it's an abstraction to most of us who, in these days of the All-Volunteer Army, don't have a personal connection
either to the US military or to the wars it so regularly fights.
A historically low percentage of our population -- less than
half a percent
-- actually serves in the military. Compare that to around 9% during the Vietnam War, and 12% during World War II. Remarkably
few of us ever see combat, ever even know anyone who was in combat, ever get to hear firsthand stories of what went on or witness
what life is like for such a returning veteran. Not surprisingly, America's wars now largely go on without us. There is no personal
connection. Here in "the homeland" -- despite the overblown fears of "terrorism" -- it remains "peacetime." As a consequence, few
of us are engaged by veterans' issues or the prospect -- essentially, the guarantee -- of more war in the American future.
Tomas understood the importance of sharing the brutal fullness of his story. For him, there were to be no pulled punches. When
I told him I wanted others to learn of his harrowing tale, of his version of the human cost of war, that I wanted to help him to
tell that story, he responded that he had indeed wanted to write his own book. He'd scrapped the project because he could no longer
write, and even Dragon voice-to-text software wouldn't work because his speech had become so degraded after the embolism struck.
Instead, he shared everything. Tomas and his wife, Claudia, opened their lives to me. I slept in their basement. During my periodic
visits, he introduced me to an expansive mind in a shrunken world, a mind that wanted to range widely in a body mostly confined to
a hospital bed, surrounded by books, magazines, and an array of tubing that delivered medications and removed bodily wastes in a
darkened bedroom.
"I need to be fed," he said to me one day. "Do you want to see what that's like?" Then, he lifted his shirt and showed me the
maze of tubing and scars on his body. It was a map of the ravages of war.
He was unflinchingly honest, sensing the importance of his story in a country where such experiences have become uncommon fare.
Like his comic book heroes Batman and the Punisher, he wanted to make sure that no one would have to endure what he'd gone through.
An All-Too-Real Life and Surreal Wars
Tomas Young's war ended on the night before Veterans' Day 2014 when he passed away quietly in his sleep. His pain finally came
to an end.
The bullets that hit him in the streets of Baghdad in 2004 brought on more than a decade of agony and hardship, not only for him,
but for his mother, his siblings, and his wife. Their suffering has yet to end.
Stories of the reality of war and its impact on this country are more crucial now than ever as America's wars seem only to multiply.
Among us are more than
2.5 million veterans of our recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. We owe it to them to read their accounts -- and an
increasing number of them are out there
-- and do our best to understand what they've been through, and what they continue to go through. Then perhaps we can use that knowledge
not only to properly address their needs, but to properly debate and possibly -- like Tomas Young -- even protest America's ongoing
wars.
It would have been perfectly understandable for Tomas to have faced the pain, frustration, and failing health of his final years
privately and in silence, but that wasn't him. Instead, he made his story part of our American record. To stay on top of important
articles like these, sign up to receive the latest updates from TomDispatch.com
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Mark Wilkerson spent eight years in the
US Army as an AH-1 Cobra and UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter crew chief with the 3rd Infantry and 101st Airborne Divisions. He was deployed
with the 101st to Somalia for six months in 1993. He is the author of Who Are You: The Life of Pete Townshend and co-wrote
Pearl Jam Twenty . He has three children: Alex, Nick and Sam. He lives in Louisville, Kentucky, with his wife, Melissa. His
latest book is Tomas Young's War
(Haymarket Books).
"... Several years ago Putin made a speech at the UN in favor of upholding International Law I thought at the time this "diplomatic statesmanship" was going to be Putin's way of bring Russia back into equal power with the Europeans and the US. Some have wondered and been asking about Putin not being as aggressive as he could be in defending Syria and Iran. Putin's holding off on tough talk/action could be amassing more power in the end. Putin comes off as the voice of sanity..exactly what the Europeans want to hear and see. ..."
Several years ago Putin made a speech at the UN in favor of upholding International Law I
thought at the time this "diplomatic statesmanship" was going to be Putin's way of bring
Russia back into equal power with the Europeans and the US. Some have wondered and been
asking about Putin not being as aggressive as he could be in defending Syria and Iran.
Putin's holding off on tough talk/action could be amassing more power in the end. Putin comes
off as the voice of sanity..exactly what the Europeans want to hear and see.
As Europe turns away from the US they turn to Putin.
If anyone remembers all the Jew rags making fun of "old Europe" during the Iraq war run up
and urging that the US break with them as outdated relics no longer needed in the new modern
age -- this is what it was all about -- separating the US from its traditional allies who
were not as subservient to Israel as the US. So .now we are down to the Jew plan Europe and
sanity vr the US Orange Clown and his allies of midget Nazi Israel, Saudi and the UAE.
Germany begs Russia to pick up the torch that US has dropped
"Germany's Foreign Minister, Heiko Maas, who has a history of expressing anti Russian
rhetoric relevant to Russia's presence in Syria as well as an alleged cyber attack on the
German Foreign Ministry which Maas says that he 'has to assume stemmed from Russia', has
turned an about face. He has traveled, for the first time, to Moscow to discuss international
diplomacy, the Iran nuclear deal, peace talks on Ukraine, and Syria.
Maas met with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, where he encouraged Russia to
leverage its influence with Iran to help spur the Middle Eastern state in remaining committed
to the nuclear deal, which Trump abandoned earlier in the week.
Germany's Foreign Minister, Heiko Maas, who has a history of expressing anti Russian
rhetoric relevant to Russia's presence in Syria as well as an alleged cyber attack on the
German Foreign Ministry which Maas says that he 'has to assume stemmed from Russia', has
turned an about face. He has traveled, for the first time, to Moscow to discuss international
diplomacy, the Iran nuclear deal, peace talks on Ukraine, and Syria.
Maas met with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, where he encouraged Russia to
leverage its influence with Iran to help spur the Middle Eastern state in remaining committed
to the nuclear deal, which Trump abandoned earlier in the week.
Maas then declared that Germany was interested in bringing back the peace talks on the
Ukraine, together with other European partners. Maas also pointed out that the Syrian
conflict can't be settled without Russia, before contributing a wreath to the tomb of the
unknown soldier, which is a dedication to Russian soliders who died fighting the Germans in
WW2.
Deutsche Welle reports:
Germany's top diplomat Heiko Maas and his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov both called
for the nuclear deal with Iran to be upheld on Thursday, during Maas' first official visit
to Russia. The appeal marks a rare moment of unity between Moscow and Berlin just days
after US walked out on the 2015 accord.
In Moscow, Maas urged Russia to influence Tehran and make it stick to the deal, which
aims to limit Iran's alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons. The German foreign minister also
said he was seeking details from the US on its plans for future sanctions against Iran
US President Donald Trump has shrugged off pressure from allies to keep the deal in place
and called the accord "defective at its core." However, leaders of the UK, France, and
Germany all contacted Iranian President Hasan Rouhani in the attempt to salvage the
accord.
Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel called Rouhani on Thursday to reaffirm Germany's
commitment to the deal "as long as Iran continues to fulfil its obligations," said Merkel's
spokesman Steffen Seibert. Merkel also said she was ready to negotiate about Iran's
ballistic missiles and involvement in Syria and Yemen.
Angela Merkel is also set to visit Russia next week.
Visiting Moscow on Thursday, Germany's top diplomat Maas suggested reviving the peace
talks between Germany, France, Ukraine and Russia on the conflict in eastern Ukraine.
Lavrov responded by saying Russia was "ready to consider" this offer.
Maas also called for "honest dialogue" with Moscow and for Russia to be included in
global diplomacy, despite its differences with Berlin. Maas admitted that the conflict in
Syria "cannot be solved without Russia."
The German diplomat also laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Moscow,
which is dedicated to the Soviet soldiers killed during World War II.
Also in a bid to get Russia to assume a leadership position relative to preserving the
nuclear deal, and by extension, the European economy, Merkel got on the phone with Russian
President Vladimir Putin, where he mutually voiced his concern over Trump's action, and
where Merkel also came forward about the situation in Syria.
TASS reports:
BERLIN, May 11. /TASS/. Federal Minister for Economic Affairs and Energy Peter Altmaier
has confirmed that he will visit Moscow at the beginning of the next week, he said in an
interview with German radio station Deutschlandfunk released on Friday.
"I will follow my colleague [German Foreign Minister Heiko] Maas, who attended
negotiations in Moscow yesterday. I will be there on Monday and Tuesday, and Chancellor
[Angela Merkel will visit Sochi -- TASS] during the week," Altmaier said.
"... Suppose there were no Russia in Syria, what would have happened? Libya would have been the fate. Most likely US would have recognized Golan Ht as Israel's. Oil harvesting companies would become more visible. Lebanon would have been in flames. Nothing else in ME. Some more terror attacks in EU may be. ..."
"... The real purpose of the Donald's missile-rattling is nothing more than helping Bibi Netanyahu keep his coalition of right wing religious and settler parties (Likud, United Torah Judaism, Shas, Kulanu and the Jewish Home) together, thereby maintaining his slim 61-vote majority in the 120-seat Knesset. ..."
"... Netanyahu's malefic political glue is the utterly false claim that Iran is an "existential threat" to Israel because it is hell-bent on getting the bomb. ..."
"... As a matter of record, of course, Netanyahu has been saying this since the early 1990s and he has always been wrong because there were never any facts or logic to support his blatant fear-mongering. ..."
There have been major developments this week, all of them bad, including Putin re-nominating
Medvedev as his Prime Minister, and Bibi Netanyahu invited to Moscow to the Victory Day Parade
in spite of him bombing Syria, a Russian ally, just on the eve of his visit. Once in Moscow,
Netanyahu compared Iran to, what else, Nazi
Germany . How original and profound indeed! Then he proceeded to order the bombing of Syria
for a second time , while still in
Moscow. But then, what can we expect from a self-worshiping narcissist who finds it appropriate
to serve
food to the Japanese Prime Minister in a specially made shoe ? The man is clearly batshit
crazy (which in no way makes him less evil or dangerous). But it is the Russian reaction which
is so totally disgusting: nothing, absolutely nothing. Unlike others, I have clearly said
that it is not the Russian responsibility to "protect" Syria (or Iran) from the Israelis. But
there is no doubt in my mind that Netanyahu has just publicly thumbed his nose at Putin and
that Putin took it. For all my respect for Putin, this time he allowed Netanyahu to treat him
just like Trump treated Macron. Except that in the case of Putin, he was so treated in his own
capital. That makes it even worse.
[Interestingly, while whining about "Nazi Iran" Netanyahu did say something truly profound
and true. He said " an important history lesson: when a murderous ideology emerges, one has
to push back against it before it is too late". That is indeed exactly what most people
across the world feel about Israel and its Zionist ideology but, alas, their voice is
completely ignored by those who rule over them. So yes, it sure looks to me like it is becoming
"too late" and that the consequences for our collective cowardice -- most of us are absolutely
terrified from speaking the plain truth about our Zionist overlords - will cost us all a
terrible price.]
Then, of course, there is Donald Trump pulling out of the so-called Joint Comprehensive Plan
of Action (JCPOA) in spite of Iran's full compliance and in spite of the fact that the US does
not have the authority to unilaterally withdraw from this multilateral agreement. But being the
megalomaniac that he is, and not to mention the spineless lackey of the Israel Lobby, Trump
ignored all that and thereby created further tensions between the US and the rest of the world
whom the US will now blackmail and bully to try to force it to support the US in its rabid
subservience to Israel. As for the Israelis, their "sophisticated" "strategy" is primitive to
the extreme: first get Trump to create maximal tensions with Iran, then attack the Iranians in
Syria as visibly and arrogantly as possible, bait the Iranians into a retaliation, then bellow
"OI VEY!!!" with your loudest voice, mention the Holocaust once or twice, toss in a "6 million
people" figure, and get the US to attack Syria.
How anybody can respect, nevermind admire, the Israelis is simply beyond comprehension. I
sure can't think of a more contemptible, nasty, psychopathic gang of megalomanical thugs (and
cowards) than the Israelis. Can you?
Nonetheless, it appears undeniable that the Zionists have enough power to simultaneously
force not one, but two (supposed) superpowers to cave into their demands. Not only that, they
have the power to do that while also putting these two superpowers on a collision course
against each other. At the very least, this shows two things: the United States has completely
lost its sovereignty and is now an Israeli protectorate. As for Russia, well, she is doing
comparatively better, but the full re-sovereignization the Russian people have voted for when
they gave their overwhelming support to Putin will not happen. A comment I read on a Russian
chat put it: "Путин кинул
народ -- мы не за
Медведева
голосовали" or " Putin betrayed
the people -- we did not vote for Medvedev ". I am not sure that "betrayed the people" is
fair, but the fact that he has disappointed a lot of people is, I think, simply undeniable.
It is still way too early to reach any conclusions at this point, and there are still way
too many unknown variables, but I will admit that I am very worried and that for the first time
in 4 years I am having major doubts about a fundamental policy decision by Putin. I sure hope
that I am wrong. We will find out relatively soon. I just hope that this will not be in the
form of a major war.
Paul Craig Roberts has repeatedly, for some years now, questioned Putin's apparent
willingness to bend over backwards to placate his "partners" in the West.
PCR has maintained consistently that the West can not be trusted, that Russia's attempts
at accommodation are taken as signs of weakness, acting only to embolden the West in its
continuing vicious assaults.
Of course, Russia is playing for time: hoping that over time the strategic tables will
increasing tip in its own & China's etc favour.
However, I suspect Saker & PCR are right: further submission will only lead to ever more
vicious attacks. This is made all the worse by China's unwillingness to assert itself
internationally as the 2nd largest economic power. (As if it can't see the US strategy, via
tariffs etc to retard, if not destroy its future economic development)
One might have a tiny mite of hope that the West might ultimately act sanely. However, with
the Zionists now pulling all the strings sanity is over & out.
Netanyahu is regarded in Washington, and perhaps also Moscow, as almost Churchillian for his
efforts to protect Israel and by extension the region and the US.
Who among us wants horizontal nuclear proliferation and a nuked up Iran armed with
ICBM's?
I've been waiting to hear your take, Saker, since things are very bad indeed. I did not like
what I saw happen on May 9th. Here is my very abbreviated take on it.
Bibi knows that he's pulled Trump fully into the Israeli orbit. He as much as told Putin
he would attack Syria and dared him to do anything about it. If Putin responded with force,
that would provide Israel and America with all the provocation they need to go all-in against
Syria, Iran, and Russia, which is what the Ziocons were hoping to accomplish anyway. Putin,
seeing all this and being the better man, can only sit back and take it. For now.
Bibi pissed in Putin's face and nobody could do a thing about it. But the whole world saw
what happened and nobody with half a brain is on the side of the Israelis. I'm no longer
upset that Putin didn't respond. He has admirable restraint and patience. The very hand of
God Himself will move against the Israelis for all their crimes and treachery, and Putin will
still be one of His chief instruments.
How anybody can respect, nevermind admire, the Israelis is simply beyond comprehension.
I sure can't think of a more contemptible, nasty, psychopathic gang of megalomanical thugs
(and cowards) than the Israelis. Can you?
Yes I can, Saker, you live among them.
Then, of course, there is Donald Trump pulling out of the so-called Joint Comprehensive
Plan of Action (JCPOA) in spite of Iran's full compliance and in spite of the fact that the
US does not have the authority to unilaterally withdraw from this multilateral
agreement
.
See Club Orlov http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/ 5/10 regarding the
120+ billion of Iranian money we hold in dollars the dead broke US gets to keep by pulling
out of the deal.
Good call.
That is why we follow you Saker.
It is the responsability of the american men to rebel and fix this goverment.
Im from cuba and the worst part here is that we have been delivered to be control and saked
by people that we took the lunch from them when we where kids,in the school yard.
Agree. Putin seems to have rolled over and is crying uncle. Sad. Perhaps he is waiting
until his new weapons are fully stockpiled before he makes any serious attempts to defend --
ultimately -- himself and his nation.
Without Russia putting some brakes on the Empire's unopposed oppressions, there is little
hope for truth, justice, etc. in the world. There is no attempt to print the truth in
national publications (that has been going on for a long time), and increasingly, little
attempt to hide the fact that they are not printing the truth. The masses, instead of
rebelling against obvious lies, seem to have internalized doublethink and do not have any
significant impulse to rise up and defend their own interests. The propaganda is too thick,
too strong, and too unopposed. Things look grim.
Who among us wants horizontal nuclear proliferation and a nuked up Iran armed with
ICBM's?
I think that would be a good check of Israel's power that could stabilize the ME and
return to the path of development that existed there still till early 1980s when the process
of destabilization began which was a part of the Yinon plan. If Israel remains the absolutely
dominant power people in ME countries will be allowed to live in Hobbesian chaotic world only
where they will be encouraged to engage in ethnic and sectarian fighting forever.
How anybody can respect, nevermind admire, the Israelis is simply beyond
comprehension.
Why not? Israel has been successfully expanding its territory, and getting two superpowers
to cave into its demands (Saker's own words). That is pretty admirable in my book. This is certainly worth of both respect and admiration, even if one otherwise wishes to
see Israel burn in a sea of atomic fire.
Anyhow, there's no reason for Russia to care. Increased American tensions with Iran will
raise the price of oil. Also a reminder that the Kremlin couldn't care less about American
murders of Russian mercenaries. So in what world will they concern themselves with
Iranian ones.
A comment I read on a Russian chat put it: "Путин
кинул народ -- мы
не за
Медведева
голосовали" or "Putin betrayed
the people -- we did not vote for Medvedev".
Ah yes, the сирийские
братушки ("Syrian brothers"). Perhaps Western
Russophiles consider them such, but few Russians do.
So The Saker is correct, Putin did not betray "his" people. (Well, he did, but that
happened in 2014, not now).
I'm no longer upset that Putin didn't respond. He has admirable restraint and patience.
The very hand of God Himself will move against the Israelis for all their crimes and
treachery, and Putin will still be one of His chief instruments.
This is your wishful thinking talking. You are still upset with Putin and you should be.
May 9 parade with Netanyahu and bombing in Syria really looked very bad. To me it signified
Putin's capitulation. At least it is the end game and Russia realized she was outplayed as
she is apparently not ready to go all the way with the nuclear blackmail. Putin will stay put
waiting for the stupid World Cup while Netanyahu will be escalating or some face saving
measure will be found for Russia to withdraw from Syria or Russia will be invited to be a
part of occupational government there.
Chinese looking from afar probably are disappointed but they never trusted Russian corrupt
elite staying the course.
Suppose there were no Russia in Syria, what would have happened? Libya would have been the fate. Most likely US would have recognized Golan Ht as Israel's.
Oil harvesting companies would become more visible. Lebanon would have been in flames.
Nothing else in ME. Some more terror attacks in EU may be.
But would these have changed the internal dynamics within US ? No It would not. US would
still be going down the path it has been and that path would still be what it is today at
home and abroad.
Social anarchy, takeover of Democrats by non-whites , takeover of GOP by religious
militant and bipartisan tax cutting for pro big business will continue unhindered . Is it
good? No. But good for the destruction of the country. That is good .
ME without USA would then look like no different until Russia also faces the same fate that
has happened to Wiemar Germany and Egyptian/ Persian in the historical past.
on another note after seeing shabas putin next to netanyahu holding picture of a commie
terrorist commissar let me say Saker the "ukronazis" have the stalinist russians pegged right
thank God they left Russia some hope for a jew free state
Paul Craig Roberts has repeatedly, for some years now, questioned Putin's apparent
willingness to bend over backwards to placate his "partners" in the West.
The problem isn't bending over backward .it's bending over forward.
Netanyahu is regarded in Washington, and perhaps also Moscow, as almost Churchillian for
his efforts to protect Israel and by extension the region and the US.
"With Sharon's backing, terrible things were done. I am no vegetarian, and I supported
and even participated in some of the assassination operations Israel carried out. But we are
speaking here about mass killing for killing's sake, to sow chaos and alarm, among civilians,
too. Since when do we send donkeys carrying bombs to blow up in marketplaces?"
-- Mossad officer, quoted in Ronen Bergman's Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of
Israel's Targeted Assassinations
[Interestingly, while whining about "Nazi Iran" Netanyahu did say something truly
profound and true. He said "an important history lesson: when a murderous ideology emerges,
one has to push back against it before it is too late". That is indeed exactly what most
people across the world feel about Israel and its Zionist ideology but, alas, their voice
is completely ignored by those who rule over them. So yes, it sure looks to me like it is
becoming "too late" and that the consequences for our collective cowardice -- most of us
are absolutely terrified from speaking the plain truth about our Zionist overlords - will
cost us all a terrible price.]
Add to that the Jews' other genocidal favorites; diversity, multiculturalism, open
borders, and anti-nationalism-fur-de-goyim.
Of course, Saker and his fellow cucked "Russian nationalists" don't add them, which
is part of the reason that I'm indifferent to Russian nationalists anymore.
Then, of course, there is Donald Trump pulling out of the so-called Joint Comprehensive
Plan of Action (JCPOA) in spite of Iran's full compliance and in spite of the fact that the
US does not have the authority to unilaterally withdraw from this multilateral
agreement.
Let's just say I'm not taking flatheads' word on this one.
In the meantime, I want to refocus on the Skripal case.
Only took you like a thousand words to get around to the point; congratulations.
This is made all the worse by China's unwillingness to assert itself internationally as
the 2nd largest economic power. (As if it can't see the US strategy, via tariffs etc to
retard, if not destroy its future economic development)
In reality the US strategy is now to be a bit less than a total globalist-run whorehouse.
Which will probably be changed back with the next new president. China's main concern will be
internal stability and security for the foreseeable future.
One indeed can admire how a few thousand jews wield such power.
I consider the rest of jewry as their victims.
But then, why not admire Hitler, he was on his own.
In both cases, disaster struck.
Jews still do not see that the present situation in the USA resembles the Weimar
Republic.
Henry Ford knew this quite well 'in the end most Jewish enterprises fail through
overconfidence'.
Possibly the first time was when they were, as is asserted, implicated in the murder of the
Roman emperor.
Rome twice sent big armies to Palestine.
If Rome also invented Christianity to undermine them, it remains an interesting theory.
I am inclined to agree with you Putin is smarter and would not/cannot fall for the bait. I
believe history will confirm that he will save the human race from total annihilation that we
possibly face in months/years to come. I was hoping that Trump would also be a force for good
but my view is changing as each day passes. I do not understand the subservient position that
the US takes with Israel. Yes there is an aggressive Zionist faction who control America and
yes nobody dares speak out against them but there must come a time when enough is enough.
Unfortunately if Trump meant it when he said he would drain the swamp he has been prevented
from doing so.
I wouldn't be too hard on Putin. I have a whacked theory that the Jews see the control of the
USA slipping. 9-11 was a huge screw up and more and more people know. They had talked of
moving to India or China but I don't think that will work. Neither will allow the same stunts
they have pulled around Whites. I think the psychopathic Jews are breed to be a parasite on
the White Man and it will never work elsewhere. So they're fucked. What can they do? Well if
you're a psychopath then the best thing to do would be to start a China/Russia vs. USA nuke
war and while this goes on nuke the Europeans, Arabs and maybe a little germ warfare thrown
in for good measure. You sit in the middle and hunker down then start over.
Now this may be completely crazy but psychopaths are crazy by most peoples definition and
the above is perfectly logical. Maybe Putin doesn't think of it in directly these terms like
I laid out but he can't help but notice that these animals are off, a lot. The Jews position
gets worse every single day. They will have no luck at all disarming the Americans and the
internet, despite their censorship, can;t be completely closed down. Their media platform is
failing. No one believes what they say.
We should get rid of the Jews. Peacefully if we can but by any means necessary. Jewish
populations upon moving into another territory are in no way distinguishable from a tribe of
psychopaths over the long term. No one wants to live with psychopaths.
Mr Saker,
I agree with your first part of the article and if I may add, Putin is a corrupt capitalist
much like his brother in the US, Trump! They do love wealth and power so much that they both
are prime targets for corruption by the wealthy Z's. Now that they both have become pawns and
subservient to a third party, the Z's are dancing in street for taking control of the 2
superpowers! The one point that I'd disagree with is about your concerns of the 2 super
powers having to come closer to a potential military conflict! Since a third party has taken
control of the two superpowers the 2 countries are NOT allowed to challenge each other
militarily because there's zero or even less than zero benefits for the real people who are
in charge!
It was a real stab in the back for our allies and that's really hard to see.
I definitely see yours and the Saker's arguments in making this point, however,
personally, it all looks to me like act 1 of a bigger play. Like Trump, Putin seems to make
his concessions up front, but there must, by necessity be a payback concession somewhere down
the road; if their allowed survival itself isn't the original concession already.
The nature of the understanding between Russia and Israel, which has not been covered
anywhere in the news, must ultimately not be so difficult to determine for journalists
investigating it, if such journalists actually existed.
None of them has any interest in covering this, however, because: the west can't deviate
from the onslaught of Russian vilification; Russia, doesn't want to show its vulnerabilities
and Israel doesn't want to show its power.
But I suspect some of this will come to light as the next phase of operations against
Iran.
The mere threat of a military attack from the White House is madness because it arises
from blatant lies that have absolutely nothing to do with US national security. Nor, for
that matter, the security of any other country in the region, including Saudi Arabia and
Israel.
The real purpose of the Donald's missile-rattling is nothing more than helping Bibi
Netanyahu keep his coalition of right wing religious and settler parties (Likud, United
Torah Judaism, Shas, Kulanu and the Jewish Home) together, thereby maintaining his slim
61-vote majority in the 120-seat Knesset.
Netanyahu's malefic political glue is the utterly false claim that Iran is an
"existential threat" to Israel because it is hell-bent on getting the bomb.
But that's where the whopper comes in. It amounts to the ridiculous postulate that Iran
is so fiendishly evil that if it is involved in the nuclear fuel cycle in any way, shape or
form -- presumably even just operating a uranium mine -- it is only a matter of months
before it will have a bomb.
As a matter of record, of course, Netanyahu has been saying this since the early 1990s
and he has always been wrong because there were never any facts or logic to support his
blatant fear-mongering.
But maybe this will blow the top on the economic fiction that's been going on since at
leads Greenspan:
And that gets us to the madness at the other end of the Acela Corridor. On a day in
which there was no good news whatsoever -- except that defense spending will go ever higher
making the impending yield shock even worse -- the stock market rose by another 1%.
There is no mystery as to why, however. Honest price discovery and the discounting of
real world information was totally destroyed by the Fed's monetary central planners years
ago.
The only thing the casino discounts today is the trading points on the hourly, daily and
weekly stock charts, and the presumption that both the fiscal and central banking branches
of the state stand ready to "stimulate" whenever a serious breach occurs on the charts.
Nothing could be more mistaken -- and for reasons we will amplify upon in Part 2.
But the spoiler alert is this: The private sector is now swamped under record and
unsustainable debt in both the household and business sectors. By succumbing to the most
incendiary Deep State meme of all -- the Iranian Nuke lie -- the Donald has now made a
public debt catastrophe an absolute certainty.
It looks like a smackdown following the announcement of the superweapons. My thought on
Putin's gloating show was why not keep these weaponse developments secret. Once the
toothpaste is out of the tube you can't push it back in. One explanation may be that Putin
thought he was in charge up to that point, but may have found out differently. I don't know
if Russia has a Rothschild central bank. But agreed, it certainly looks bad. Plus Israel has
hit Syria again. It all looks very bad.
Don't be ridiculous,. Most of us would trust Iran with nukes even if they wanted them,
which they do not, before the Zionist terrorist state. As the Saker said. "How anybody can
respect, never mind admire, the Israelis is simply beyond comprehension. I sure can't think
of a more contemptible, nasty, psychopathic gang of megalomaniacal thugs (and cowards) than
the Israelis. "
ussia's objectives in Syria are not identical
to their own? Are they not students of history?
I can only imagine the negotiations that went on in Russia among Netanyahu and company and
the Russian government. I'm certain that Russia made assurances that it would not provide
S-300 systems. What did Netanyahu have to pay for that? Perhaps assurances that he would stop
pushing the Americans to bomb Syrian positions? I don't know. You have an imagination. Think
of what Putin wants that Netanyahu could provide.
I congratulate Mr Roberts for his courage.
"We must take it on faith alone."
I also agree with all his references to Israel. I loathe people who demand acts of faith (or
self induced stupidity)
Russia has a national, sovereign, bank , led by a very competent economist, Elvira
Nabiulina.
However, Russia's economy is not a match to its military status. Russia's entire GDP is
lower than South Korea's, and is only slightly over twice the Pentagon's budget.
I think this is one of the reasons why President Putin must tread carefully: Russia's
economy and internal stability are very vulnerable to external economic and financial
pressure.
All of these events are CIA/Mossad/MI6. All of them.
From 9/11 to mass shootings, al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, white supremecists and even
Antifa, all funded, trained by the state, with our tax dollars.
Fighting wars: The United States has been fighting wars nonstop since its military invaded
Afghanistan in October 2001. That's almost 17 years of invasions, occupations, air campaigns,
drone strikes, special operations raids, naval air and missile attacks, and so much else,
from the Philippines to Pakistan, Afghanistan to Syria, Libya to Niger isn't fighting
unending wars across thousands of miles of the planet for almost 17 years without end, while
making the president into a global assassin, just a tad extreme?
Of course it is. But despite the title of the article, I can't help but notice that most
of it concentrates on the 16 of those 17 years that happen to have occurred before the Trump
"caliphate". But why should Tom Englehardt be expected to get such trivial details correct?
After all, Tom turned out to be wrong when he ominously warned us about the dangers of Trump
getting us into another Korean war.
Tom's own words from July 9th, 2017 haven't aged well
If hostilities broke out and spiraled out of control, as they might, countless people
could die, nuclear weapons could indeed be used for the first time since 1945, and parts of
Asia could be ravaged (including possibly areas of Japan). What a second Korean War might
mean, in other words, is almost beyond imagining.
the officials he appointed went to work to transform the very refugees we had such a
hand in creating into terrifying bogeymen, potentially the most dangerous and extreme
people on the planet, and then turned to the task of ensuring that none of them would ever
arrive in this country. Doesn't that seem like an extreme set of acts and responses?
No, Tom. It seems like normal behavior from people who aren't ethnomasochists. I'm not
some kind of -phobic with an irrational fear if I want my descendants to not live in a
wartorn country they may eventually end up suffering a total genocide at the hands of these
"widows and orphans" (read: military-aged males who think European lands are up for grabs and
will be theirs in the future).
You see, the normal person who voted for Trump wanted what his surface-level politics
during the campaign trail were about. Not the stuff he's actually been doing which no one
voted for (yes, democracy is a bad system with no accountability,) but the stuff he talked
about. The end to this neoliberal insanity which you support most of. If you really cared so
much about the environment, you wouldn't be for mass migration. If you really cared about
minimizing conflict, you wouldn't be for mass migration since migration is the same as war in
its effects and eventual outcome.
It is not some arbitrary preference that I want a territory maintained for my kind and not
invaded by unending migration of alien peoples whom we are poked, prodded, pressured, coerced
and forced to miscegenate ourselves out of existence with by social engineers bent on a
European genocide, which they are beginning to get louder and louder with their intent on
with each passing year and the constant gloating that they think "in the future, there won't
BE any white people! and that's a good thing!"
The reason we care more about these terrorist attacks on our soil is that we expect them
to do as they do in their own countries, but the glaring fact is the people doing this in our
countries aren't us, and never will be us. They are interlopers we didn't invite in; they
were invited in from the top down with no consent.
Speaking of which, people own weapons in the US because they can and because they don't
trust their government. Given what that government has done for the last 50+ years, why
should they? People in other countries would do the same were they not such totalitarian
nightmare states crushing down on their native population, like in Britain. Speaking of
bogeymen by the way, you want to pin this all on Trump when the material conditions for much
of what you wring your hands about existed well before he even announced his run. Criticize
the fact that he isn't doing what he was elected to do. Don't try to concoct some lame duck
grand narrative that he caused all of these problems, because he didn't.
The reason America is becoming "extreme" is because it's no longer a real, solvent
country. No longer a nation–a coherent people with real, concrete commonalities. It is
many people vying for power and handouts and patronage, many of whom share nothing in common
at all. I share no peoplehood with Africans, Arabs, Mestizos and a host of others who've been
flooded in over the last several decades and have transformed the country into something it
manifestly as per the census data was not just decades back.
I share no peoplehood with Africans, Arabs, Mestizos and a host of others who've been
flooded in over the last several decades and have transformed the country into something it
manifestly as per the census data was not just decades back.
I'm willing to bet you share a lot more personhood with those people you listed than the
people who "own" your country. BTW, the people who "own" your country most likely hate your
guts, and consider you expendable if you ever get in their way.
" This subject came to my mind recently thanks to a story I noticed about another extreme
wedding slaughter "
Better late than never.
How long it is ago that a Malaysian president spoke to mainly western diplomats, and asked
the question 'who are the terrorists, those who, at 17 km height push buttons in
B-52′s, or those who give their lives on the ground ?', I do not remember.
The diplomats left during the speech.
UN expert on human rights De Zaya's wanted, suppose he does not live any more, Great
Britain and the USA persecuted for bombing German cities in WWII, just killing women,
children and old men.
Dresden is the best known example, alas it is not known that even small towns as Anklam were
bombed.
And then, when began all this ?
Churchill saw the genocide in what is N Afghanistan as a necessary act.
And of course the Muslim religion was to blame.
Winston Churchill, 'The Story of the Malakand Field Force', 1898, 2004, New York
Ian Hernon, 'Britain's Forgotten Wars, Colonial Campaigns of the 19th Century', 2003, 2007,
Chalford – Stroud
The last book also describes this genocide, but one of the most bloody massacres described is
against the Sikh army.
I'd like to thank Unz for this brief comic relief on their site. Sometimes the affairs in the
world seem too much and a good laugh every now and then is necessary. For example Bashir
Al-Assad killing his own people on a regular basis was hysterical!! Imagine him getting Sarin
gas from ISIS depots paid for by Israel and the United States just so he could get the same
United States to bomb him! That's like saying Obama was a weak president for NOT attacking
Syria when he was merely informed as to who was REALLY not killing Syrian civilians because,
as Putin proved, Assad didn't have those weapons. What was really funny was that America does
not have extremists in charge so when we kill civilians it must be an accident!
"Its national security budget is larger than those of the next eight countries combined "
My favourite statistic is to compare the increase in the formal US "defence" budget ($80
billion) for this year with the total Russian defence budget ($46 billion).
I couldn't agree more, Your comment sums up how a lot of people are feeling. No wonder
Nationalist or Nationalist inspired parties and leaders are emerging all over the European
world, We are waking up and beginning to take our own side
I just cannot believe that you Americans descend to squabbling about who is more virtuous
– Nero or Caligula.
Mr Putin showed that he understands the system perfectly. First he said that he sees no
point in talking to European leaders, since they all take their orders from Washington. Then
he further explained that presidents come and presidents go, but the policies remain exactly
the same.
It's a shame that so few Americans understand their own political system as well as Mr
Putin does.
"However, one thing is, almost by definition, obvious. We are not a nation of extreme acts or
extreme killers. Quite the opposite".
The USA is admirably positioned for security: it controls most of a large isolated
continent, with only Canada and Mexico as immediate neighbours and vast oceans to the sides.
As Jules Jusserand, French Ambassador to the US, remarked in 1910:
"The United States was blessed among nations. On the north, she had a weak neighbour; on
the south, another weak neighbour; on the east, fish; and on the west, fish".
Long before that, Abraham Lincoln said more or less the same thing:
"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify
against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush
us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the
treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a
commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge,
in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be
expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from
abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation
of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide".
- Abraham Lincoln; The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume
I, "Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum,of Springfield, Illinois (January 27, 1838), p.
109.
So it is surprising to find out that the USA has been at war for 93% of its existence.
That means Americans have experienced peace during only 21 years out of 239.
That's rather odd, isn't it, for a country with impregnable natural borders whom no one
has even tried to attack?
"Yes, we make mistakes. Yes, we sometimes kill. Yes, we sometimes even kill the innocent,
however mistakenly".
A very rough estimate suggests that, since 1950, the US government through its armed
forces has killed at the very least 10 million Asians alone. Three million in Korea, the same
in Vietnam and its neighbours, and the same in Iraq. That's without even considering the
dozens of other nations the USA has attacked (and with which, legally, it is still at war
since no peace treaties were ever concluded).
I recently discovered UNZ.COM and was delighted to have found a site with good intelligently
written articles, then I read this utter crap and now I'm wondering
We here in the United States are, of course, eternally shocked by their extremism, their
willingness to kill the innocent without compunction, particularly in the case of Islamist
groups, from the 9/11 attacks to ISIS's more recent slaughters.
Tom appears to be another lackey for Zionism, ready to keep telling lies about those evil
Moozies that supposedly attacked the USA on 9/11, when anyone who still has brain cells left
knows that 9/11 was an Israeli masterminded False Flag with help from traitors in the WH,
the Pentagon, CIA, FBI and NSA. With generous assistance from the Lying MSM.
Take your CIA pres releases elsewhere Mr. Tom, we no longer wish to hear your lies in
support of endless wars for the glory of Apartheid Israel realizing its YINON plan to stretch
Israel from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates and from Turkey to Arabia.
Oded Yinon's "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties"
The nonsense that Assad's army deliberately poisons its own people with chemical weapons
is a well-known false-flag. How could he control his Syrian army if that went on? It is
absolutely ridiculous.
As for 9/11, it was an inside job – with many Israeli "students" laying the
explosives in the THREE buildings at night over a period of months. The fact that no one
lived in them and that a Bush company was responsible for security is all you need to know.
Naturally, there were no Israeli victims – a statistical impossibility if they were not
forewarned.
The most thoroughly amoral, vicious ruling group in the region is the House of Saud. And the
US and the Israelis are both deep into bed with the Saudis.
"Only to those who do not know that many people live in deserts"
People do not "live in deserts" rather they live in settlements which are located in the
desert.
They do not just go out into the blazing sand and throw down blankets and buckets, and
then start "Living in the desert".
And they do not hold bonafide "wedding parties" out in the desert, under the relentless
burning sun, rather they hold their wedding parties in settlements which are located in thte
desert with a modicum of human comforts.
Look friend myself being world traveler, I have been to north africa on more than one
occasion, and I know wtf I am talking about.
AJM "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artisit.
Where are the Scripals? How are they feeling these days? (68 days and counting), Are they alive ?
Notable quotes:
"... To clarify: Sergei Skripal has been suspected of playing a role in concocting the fake "Steele dossier" that helped launch the Russiagate NARRATIVE. ..."
"... The "dossier" was also used by Comey's FBI to obtain FISA warrants to monitor Trump campaign communications. (The NSA had intercepts all along but Comey's FBI needed a "provenance.") ..."
"... Like the Hound of the Baskervilles, the absence of questions in the British media speaks volumes. "The truth is the first casualty in a war." ..."
In the meantime, I want to refocus on the Skripal case. There is one outright bizarre thing
which I initially dismissed, but which really is becoming disturbing: the fact that the Brits
are apparently holding Sergei and Iulia Skripal incommunicado. In other words, they have been
kidnapped.
There was this one single telephone call between Iulia Skripal and her sister, Victoria, in
which Iulia said that she was okay (she was clearly trying to reassure Victoria) but it was
clear that she could not speak freely. Furthermore, when Victoria mentioned that she would want
to visit Iulia, the latter reply 'nobody will give you a visa'. After that – full
silence. The Russian consulate has been making countless requests to
have a visit, but all that the Brits have done since is have Scotland
Yard post a letter which was evidently not written by Iulia and which said " I have
access to friends and family, and I have been made aware of my specific contacts at the Russian
Embassy who have kindly offered me their assistance in any way they can. At the moment I do not
wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them
". What friends?! What family?! Nonsense!
Her sister tried to contact her many times through various channels, including official
ones, and then in total despair, she posted the following message on Facebook:
" My darling sister, Yulia! You are not communicating with us, and we don't know
anything about you and Sergey Victorivich. I know that I have no right to interfere in your
affairs without asking your permission, but I worry too much. I worry about you and your dad.
I also worry about Nuar. [Nuar is Yulia Skrial's dog, whom she left to stay at a kennel
center, while she was traveling to the UK.] He is now at the dog hotel, and they want to get
paid. We have to decide something what to do with him. I am ready to take him and to take
care of him until you come back home. Besides Nuar, I am concerned about your apartment and
your car. Nothing has been decided about their safety and maintenance. We can help with all
that, but I need your power of attorney in my or my sister Lena's name. If you think that all
of these is important, draw up a power of attorney form in a Russian consulate in any
country. If you won't do that, we will understand and won't interfere in your
affairs.
Vika "
No reply ever came.
I just entered the following query into Google: "
Skripal ". April 10 th has an entry saying that she was released from the
hospital. That is the most recent one I have found. I looked on Wikipedia , the
same thing, there is nothing at all.
I have to admit that when I first heard the Russian complaints I figured that this was no
big deal. I thought " the Brits told the Skripals that Putin tried to poison them, they are
probably afraid, and possibly still sick from whatever it is which made them sick, but the
Brits would never outright kidnap two foreign citizens, and most definitely not in such a
public way ".
I am not so sure anymore.
First, let's get the obvious one out of the way: the fear for the security of the Skripals.
That is utter nonsense. The Brits can organize a meeting between а Russian diplomat in
the UK at a highly protected UK facility, with tanks, SAS Teams on the standby, helicopters in
the air, bombers, etc. That Russian diplomat could speak to them through bullet-proof glass and
a phone. And, since the Russians are all so dangerous, he can be searched for weapons. All
which the Skripals need to do is to tell him/her "thank you, your services are not needed".
Conversation over. But the Brits refuse even that.
But let's say that the Skripals are so totally terrified of the evil Russians, that they
categorically refuse. Even by video-conference. It would be traumatic for them, right?
Okay.
What about a press conference then?
Even more disturbing is that, at least to my knowledge, nobody in the western corporate
media is asking for an interview with them. Snowden can safely speak from Russia and address
even large conferences, but the Skripals can't speak to anybody at all?
But here is the worst part of this: it has been two months already since the Skripals are
held in total secrecy by the UK authorities. Two months, that is 60 days. Ask any specialist on
interrogation or any psychologist what kind of effect 60 days of "specialized treatment" can do
to a person.
I am not dismissing the Russian statements about "kidnapping" anymore. What I see is this:
on substance, the Skripal false flag has crashed and burned, just like MH17 or the Douma
chemical attack, but unlike MH17 or Douma, the Skripals are two witnesses whose testimony has
the potential to result in a gigantic scandal, not just for the May government, but for all
those spineless Europeans who showed "solidarity" with Britain. In other words, the Skripals
will probably never be allowed to speak freely: they must either be killed or totally
brainwashed or disappeared. Any other option would result in a scandal of planetary
magnitude.
I can't pretend like my heart goes out to Sergei Skripal: the man was an officer who gave an
oath and who then betrayed his country to the British (he was a British agent, not a Russian
one as the press writes). Those holding him today are his former bosses. But Iulia? She is
completely innocent and as of April 5 th (when she called her sister Victoria), she
was clearly in good health and with a clear mind. Now she has been disappeared and I don't know
which is worse, the fact that she might never reappear or that she might one day reappear
following months of British "counseling". As for her father, he paid for his betrayal and he
too deserves a better fate than being poisoned, used and then disappeared.
In the big scheme of things (the Zionists war against our entire planet), two individuals
like Sergei and Iulia Skripal might not matter. But I think that the least we can do is to
remember them and their plight.
This also begs the question of what kind of society we live in. I am not shocked by the fact
that the British state would resort to such methods (they have always used them). I am shocked
that in a so-called western "democracy" with freedom, pluralism and "European values" (whatever
that means) the Brits could get away with this.
How about some "solidarity" with the Skripals – you, Europeans?!
As noted on this site some three weeks ago, former British ambassador Craig Murray suggested
some time ago that Sergei and Yulia Skripal were most likely murdered by Western secret
services in order to keep the "Russiagate" fiction (somewhat) alive.
Sergei cannot win – even if he was NOT involved in Russiagate, murdering him creates
flexibility to hang the story on him without contradiction. Yulia is icing on the cake
– "Surely Her Majesty's Government wouldn't murder a pretty girl like Yulia!"
Rather bizarrely, it appears appears that all premises connected with the Skripals are to
be demolished, purely to protect the public, you understand.
To clarify: Sergei Skripal has been suspected of playing a role in concocting the fake
"Steele dossier" that helped launch the Russiagate NARRATIVE.
The "dossier" was also used by Comey's FBI to obtain FISA warrants to monitor Trump
campaign communications. (The NSA had intercepts all along but Comey's FBI needed a
"provenance.")
Whether Skripal was actually involved in inventing the dossier or not, his absence will be
used to milk the narrative afloat a little longer.
Like the Hound of the Baskervilles, the absence of questions in the British media speaks
volumes. "The truth is the first casualty in a war."
Russia should request a third party for instance a well known British public figure as an
intermediary to contact Skripals on behalf of Russia. The UK wil not be able to claim that
such figure will put undue pressure on the Skripals and would be forced to either facilitate
contact or be exposed as actually kidnapping the Skripals.
Potential intermediaries Corbyn, Galloway, UN representative, Tulsi Gabbard. There are
numerous candidates.
In other words, the Skripals will probably never be allowed to speak freely: they must
either be killed or totally brainwashed or disappeared. Any other option would result in a
scandal of planetary magnitude.
That certainly explains why Britain did not kill them with Novichok.
The British are working hard on new super-secret identities for the Scripals. They are so
secret that even the Scripals would not be allowed to know them. Technically, the British
could tell the Scripals their new identities, but then they would have to kill them, in order
to keep them secret.
It is clear that every person including The Saker who write about the Skripals and Russian
affairs do not have the in-depth knowledge of John Helmer the longest serving independent
western journalist in Moscow. In this post by John Helmer dated 23/03/2018
he writes about the British Court of Protection's findings.
Below are two excerpts (in parenthesis his comments) but I implore you to read the whole
article as well as other postings on the potential appointments in Putins new government.
"British High Court Justice David Williams has issued the first court adjudication of
evidence presented by the British Government of what happened to Sergei Skripal and Yulia
Skripal when they succumbed to poisoning in Salisbury on March 4. Following three days of
closed-door hearings this week in London, the judge issued a ruling for publication
yesterday."
"Representing the Skripals, Vikram Sachdeva QC told the judge "that in this case at present
it did not appear practicable or appropriate to seek the views of others who might be
interested in the welfare of Mr Skripal (his mother perhaps) or Ms Skripal (perhaps a
fiancé).
" the Skripals are two witnesses whose testimony has the potential to result in a gigantic
scandal, not just for the May government, but for all those spineless Europeans who showed
"solidarity" with Britain . "
Based on recent history, one can safely bet that there will be no scandal.
The bombing of the Lockerbie plane was an evil crime that took 270 innocent lives, and was
attributed by the official UK/US intelligence centres to the former Libyan government under
late President Gaddafi.
When this government came under NATO attack in 2011, its foreign minister Moussa Koussa
defected and sought refuge in London. He had previously been head of Libyan secret services
for 15 years (!!!), and as such, would have organised and supervised the Lockerbie "terror"
attack.
What did the UK/US governments do with him? Send him to trial at the Hague? Of course not.
He was sent to a safe heaven somewhere in the NATO proxy EAU.
Nobody cares about the victims of false flag attacks, quite the contrary: the less
investigations, the more efficient the false flag.
The most heinous thing a human can do
is eat another human. Fear of cannibalism along with the other two great taboos, incest and inter-family
violence, are the bedrocks of human culture. Without these taboos there is no human civilization, yet
zombie cannibals are everywhere, from the most popular TV shows in the US and Europe to the most played
PC games. Everywhere we look there is a zombie dragging his feet looking for human prey. The ubiquitous
nature of this meme of semi-human creatures that survive only by breaking the most fundamental of human
taboos is a clear indicator of a collective cultural pathology.
Humans must not only kill and eat
plants and animals to survive, we must make sure they keep coming back so they can be killed and eaten
again and again. Life needs death; we must kill to live, and eventually we all wind up as someone else's
food. This paradox lies at the core of the world's religions and mythologies and the fear/repulsion of
eating other humans is the keystone of our culture, without it we turn on ourselves and self-annihilation
ensues. The zombie meme is a modern myth pointing to a deep fear of self-destruction.
The great psychologist and mystic Carl
Jung was asked if a myth could be equated to a collective dream and he answered this way, "A myth is the
product of an unconscious process in a particular social group, at a particular time, at a particular
place. This unconscious process can naturally be equated with a dream. Hence anyone who 'mythologizes,'
that is, tells myths, is speaking out of this dream."
If a person had a recurring nightmare
that she was eating her family it would be a clear symptom of a profound psychological disturbance.
Cultures don't dream, but they do tell stories and those stories can tell us much about the state of the
collective psyche.
Many of the themes in our popular
culture are conscious story telling devices with the definite purpose of social engineering/control, but
others seem to just emerge from the collective unconscious like the stuff of dreams. The zombie meme is
clearly of the latter variety. It's pointing to a fear that something has broken in our culture and what
awaits us is a collective psychotic break of apocalyptic proportions.
Exposure to the general public helps in understanding this I think. Go to a mall, watch Mark Dice
videos online. People are astonishingly stupid. Staggeringly stupid.
I'm so stupid I never even heard of Mark Dice and despite the idea that I have an extremely high CI
(Curiosity Index) I am not even tempted to have such a desire. Anyway, I'm constantly amazed at how stupid
we humans can be, yet remarkably, we stumble along. It baffles the bl
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p outta me.
And that would just be "too terrible to contemplate" wouldn't it?
It is unclear to what extent Israel is given unfairly favorable treatment and to what extent it is the most useful
allies (along with KSA) of f the USA in the middle East securing energy supplies to the according to Carter doctrine,
Notable quotes:
"... The latest outrage against the First Amendment comes from South Carolina, the home state of the arch-Zionist poseur and United Nations Ambassador extraordinary Nikki Haley. A new hate speech law was inserted in the state's recently approved annual budget. ..."
"... The legislation borrows from the U.S. State Department definition of anti-Semitism, which proscribes speech that "demonizes" or applies "double standards" to Israel "by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation" as anti-Semitic. ..."
"... While the State Department definition is a guideline, the South Carolina's specific inclusion of it in legislation makes explicit that criticism of Israel as hate speech can be subject to criminal penalties. It also is binding on all the states universities and educational institutions. ..."
"... The law was promoted by Alan Clemmons, a Mormon legislator who has led numerous delegations to Israel and who has been described as "Israel's biggest supporter in a U.S. state legislature." ..."
"... Normally foreign governments have what is referred to as sovereign immunity which prevents their being sued, but that all changed in the U.S. with the passage of the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA) of 2016, which permitted individual lawsuits in any federal court involving any government's alleged participation in international acts of "terrorism." This has resulted in a series of multi-billion-dollar lawsuits against Iran, the Palestinians and also Saudi Arabia. Many of the lawsuits have Israeli citizens as plaintiffs, suing in American courts. ..."
"... Indeed, it is far more plausible that Israel was involved in 9/11 than was Iran. Israel operated a massive spying operation directed against Arabs in the U.S. and several of its intelligence officers were seen in Jersey City to be filming themselves while dancing and cavorting in delight as the twin towers went down, suggesting some prior knowledge. ..."
"... But, of course, no one would be allowed to sue Israel in an American court. The 9/11 Commission failed to examine the case against Israel even though it allegedly sought to compile a "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding" the attacks, but it did investigate the possible ties to Iran. It found the only evidence of any Iranian support to consist of certain 9/11 hijackers travelling through Iran on their way to Afghanistan without having their passports stamped. ..."
"... Israel is a fiscal off-shore through passage for decanting public funds to private hands, a physical vault to hold assets, reinsert assets into the global financial system. ..."
"... As imprecise as can be, but to popularize the situation: the before Castro, Cuba Mafia save haven. ..."
"... This is partly the explanation of "military capitalism" deployed rather recently in insider circles to capture an existing situation where the US is left to prop up it's financial make believe using military show of. That is partly why "war" is so publicly discussed, actions are leaked, this contrary to what real war requires, deep stealth. ..."
"... American "foreign aid" is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the "Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty" or refuses to abide by "International Atomic Energy Agency" (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American "foreign aid". ..."
"... There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy "wonks" infecting the U S government who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel. Such dual citizenship only reinforces "split loyalty"–NOT upholding the interests of the United States, and must be strictly prohibited. ..."
"... Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship should not be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity. ..."
Time to question the loyalty of some legislators and judges
I have a number of times
discussed
how the U.S. and other governments have legislated and otherwise promoted Jewish and
Israeli interests in ways that most people would find unacceptable if they were aware of what exactly has
been going on. Here in the United States, special Medicare coverage and immigration status have been
granted, often concealed in other legislation, to benefit holocaust survivors and Russian Jews seeking to
emigrate. State legislatures and the U.S. Congress have meanwhile been working hard to pass legislation
that blocks and even criminalizes the non-violent Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) protests
against Israeli behavior while universities have been banning anti-Israel demonstrators and groups on
campus because they apparently are offensive to the sensitivities of some Jewish students.
The latest outrage against the First
Amendment comes from South Carolina, the home state of the arch-Zionist poseur and United Nations
Ambassador extraordinary Nikki Haley. A new
hate speech law
was inserted in the state's recently approved annual budget.
The legislation borrows
from the U.S. State Department definition of anti-Semitism, which proscribes speech that "demonizes" or
applies "double standards" to Israel "by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other
democratic nation" as anti-Semitic.
While the State Department definition
is a guideline, the South Carolina's specific inclusion of it in legislation makes explicit that
criticism of Israel as hate speech can be subject to criminal penalties. It also is binding on all the
states universities and educational institutions.
The law was promoted by Alan Clemmons,
a Mormon legislator who has led numerous delegations to Israel and who has been described as "Israel's
biggest supporter in a U.S. state legislature."
Supporters of the Bill of Rights have
been universally opposed to the bill, but pro-Israel groups have praised the initiative and are expecting
a "new wave" of legislation all across the United States blocking any criticism of the self-described
Jewish State. The Brandeis Center has
enthused
"This bill gives South Carolina the
tools to protect Jewish students' and all South Carolina students' right to a learning environment free
of unlawful discrimination. We are hoping this momentous step will result in another national wave to,
once and for all, begin defeating rising anti-Semitism."
Other states will undoubtedly follow
the South Carolina lead, so it would appear that any criticism of Israel will become illegal in the
public square if the many friends of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have their way. And they generally
do get what they want from the federal level all the way down to the states and local communities, so be
prepared.
Israel also is regularly exploiting
the American legal system to punish countries that it has defined as its enemies. Its government
sponsored lawfare organization called Shurat Hadin has initiated a number of lawsuits in U.S. courts to
punish Palestinians and Iranians. Ironically, it is currently seeking to demonstrate that Hamas is
committing
war crimes in Gaza
, where Israel has been using army snipers to kill unarmed demonstrators.
Other lawsuits filed on behalf of
mostly Jewish Americans in U.S. courts seeking compensation from Iranians and Palestinians are also
pending, with the tribunals in Manhattan particularly prone to being sympathetic to the plaintiffs. Last
week, at the Federal Court for the Southern District of Manhattan, Judge George Daniels
issued a default judgment
relating to his 2011 determination that Iran and Hezbollah materially and
directly supported al-Qaeda in the 9/11 attacks and are legally responsible for damages to the hundreds
of family members of victims who are named in the case. The judge ordered Iran to pay $6 billion in
compensation – "$12,500,000 per spouse, $8,500,000 per parent, $8,500,000 per child, and $4,250,000 per
sibling" to the families and estates of the deceased. A 4.96 annual interest rate will also be applied to
the amount, starting from September 11, 2001 to the date of the judgement."
Normally foreign governments have
what is referred to as sovereign immunity which prevents their being sued, but that all changed in the
U.S.
with the passage of
the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA) of 2016, which permitted
individual lawsuits in any federal court involving any government's alleged participation in
international acts of "terrorism." This has resulted in a series of multi-billion-dollar lawsuits against
Iran, the Palestinians and also Saudi Arabia. Many of the lawsuits have Israeli citizens as plaintiffs,
suing in American courts.
Though the lawsuit claimed, and Judge
Daniels agreed, that Tehran had supported the 9/11 hijackers with training and other assistance, most
authorities would question that judgement. Many would consider it to be ludicrous as Iranian Shi'ites
were considered to be kill-on-sight heretics by al-Qaeda. The idea that Iran was somehow involved in 9/11
is in reality a ridiculous Israel Lobby contrivance that
was first floated
in 2015 by ex-CIA Director James Woolsey, a renowned Zionist stooge and conspiracy
theorist who is viewed by many as not completely in possession of all his marbles.
Indeed, it is far more plausible that
Israel was involved in 9/11 than was Iran. Israel operated a massive spying operation directed against
Arabs in the U.S. and several of its intelligence officers were seen in Jersey City to be filming
themselves while dancing and cavorting in delight as the twin towers went down, suggesting some prior
knowledge.
But, of course, no one would be
allowed to sue Israel in an American court.
The 9/11 Commission
failed to examine the case against Israel even though it allegedly sought to
compile a "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding" the attacks, but it did
investigate the possible ties to Iran. It found the only evidence of any Iranian support to consist of
certain 9/11 hijackers travelling through Iran on their way to Afghanistan without having their passports
stamped.
In his Farewell Address President
George Washington
warned that
" a passionate attachment of one
nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the
illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing
into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of
the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite
nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions;
by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and
a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to
ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to
betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity;
gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public
opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption,
or infatuation. As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly
alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot."
If one believes that deference to
the special foreign interest of one powerful and wealthy segment of the population is appropriate in a
democracy then I suppose the Jewish/Israeli pander has to be considered acceptable. I happen to believe
that, as our first president so clearly articulated, it is not, particularly as much of the concession
that Jews are somehow to be treated differently than the rest of the community due to their alleged
victimhood contributes to a criticism-free ride for an Israel which is eagerly seeking a new war in the
Middle East. It would be a war that the United States would inevitably get pulled into by Israel's
friends in Congress and the media. It would also be catastrophic for all parties involved and it all
starts with the belief that Israel should somehow be protected and its enemies punished while also being
exempt from being made accountable for its actions.
It's more than time to question, it's time to prosecute. If Alan Clemmons, or any other legislator, has
gone to Israel, with any assistance from Israel financial or otherwise, then Clemmons (and others) have
taken a bribe. Failure to prosecute, just as failure to enforce current immigration laws, is the road to
anarchy.
As for Judge Daniels, I guess I could cut him some slack, given it's a default judgment, but that goes
out the door if he was the judge that certified the case going forward in the first place. There is no
prima facie evidence of Iran's involvement in 9/11, and therefore, false statements made in the statement
of claim are a perversion of justice. A judge is supposed to rule on facts, not conjecture.
75 years ago, people hid Jews to protect them from imprisonment and possible death by European-led
jailers. Now in 2018, people are hiding Europeans to protect them from imprisonment and possible death
by Jewish-led jailers
89-year-old Ursula Haverbeck-Wetzel is right now being hunted by German police at the behest of Jewish
groups, because she did not show up at prison a few days ago, to serve a two-year-jail sentence for
questioning the official narrative of the Jewish killings in World War II It is recognised by Jews and
others that at her age, the long jailing may kill her
The 'International Auschwitz Committee' says German police should use 'high pressure' to find this
elderly woman and imprison her, even though it may kill her
And yet Jews who speak like this claim they do not understand why people develop antipathy to Jews
It is in fact the International Auschwitz Committee which is 'inciting anti-semitism', as they inspire
Germans to hide elderly people from Jews 'like Anne Frank was hidden from Germans'
However much Ursula Haverbeck might be in error in her historical opinions, this is appalling and
shocking treatment of a grandmotherly woman soon to be 90 years of age sending her very possibly to
death for her ideas regarding an era to which she is a living personal witness (Haverbeck was born in
1928, and will turn age 90 this 8 November)
This reminds of the case of a World War II Jewish witness, a rabbi's son, who was with the Russian
advance troops who liberated places like Auschwitz,
Joseph Ginzburg – Joseph G Burg, direct interrogator of Auschwitz and other camp survivors
The
fiercely anti-Nazi and very Jewish Burg, said the Holocaust was an exaggeration, a fraud fabricated by
Zionists, he wrote books on this, & had many of those books burned by the modern West German government
tho the old Bonn regime never had the stomach to jail rabbi's son Joseph Ginzburg (1908-90), despite his
holocaust denial
OT but since it seems Israel first stooge Insane McCain is finally going to meet Satan.
What I want to know is, has anybody announced how they intend to handle all the people who want to
piss on his grave? Will there be a lottery, will there be those "take a number" machines, will it be
first come first served or will there be some kind of contest, like writing an essay?
On the day of Sept 11, when I still, of course, believed the Muslim terror attack story, I said to my
wife 'just Israel benefits'.
I simply could not see how these Muslim attacks benefitted Muslims.
No idea, at the time, as Anatol Lieven also did not have at the end of the month, his article 'New Cold
War' in the then still independent Guardian, that these attacks would be used to justify wars on
Afghanistan and Iraq.
It was 2004 when Hollings made his famous speech, promising war to AIPAC for the jewish vote, 'that is
politics'.
I'm convinced the neocons will not pull this off
this time
. After many years of war a passive
public may be catching on. I expect the price of oil to jolt upwards this afternoon. When people begin
asking why the answers need to be that our "ally" Israel keeps threatening war if they don't get their
way and Trump doesn't tear up the P5+1 treaty.
A 90 year old woman must "serve a two-year-jail sentence for questioning the official narrative of the
Jewish killings in World War II "
This is surreal. Liberal democracy (what's left of it) down the rabbit hole. Imprisonment as a
consequence of
questioning
history ? Yes, I know, Germany has its sensitivities, but should
historical guilt excuse a vicious assault on core values & a vulnerable individual ?
No context to the article that matters. Lost in deviations.
The real issue: any transaction to and from Israel makes some Jewish and elite non Jewish Americans
accessory. Israel is a fiscal off-shore through passage for decanting public funds to private hands, a
physical vault to hold assets, reinsert assets into the global financial system.
As imprecise as can be, but to popularize the situation: the before Castro, Cuba Mafia save haven.
One must realize that when the dollar, as is happening looses part of it's reserve status(currently
under way, partly global transactions start escaping the dollar accountability, thus leaving a smaller
margin of cooking the books), there need to be a trustworthy insertion point into the Yuan, any digital
currency, international financial markets, currency speculation for the elites of the West, evasion of
embargos for the exeptionals.
This is partly
the explanation of "military capitalism"
deployed rather recently in insider
circles to capture an existing situation where the US is left to prop up it's financial make believe
using military show of. That is partly why "war" is so publicly discussed, actions are leaked, this
contrary to what real war requires, deep stealth.
Israel is a Swiss knife for corporate international billionaires, no billionaires no Israel.
Would the JASTA act open the way for litigation against Israel's involvement in 9/11? Of course, there
would have to be a change in venue because the southern district of Manhattan is kind of evil's
homecourt.
Might be just the right crack in the absurdity, to investigate, prosecute and sentence the
perpetrators. I mean if they can go after a ninety year old woman, why not a geriatric Jerome Hauser, Dov
Zakheim, etc?
Just spit-balling here, I'll go back to my observational pessimism
American "foreign aid" is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the "Nuclear
Non-proliferation Treaty" or refuses to abide by "International Atomic Energy Agency" (IAEA) guidelines
regarding its nuclear devices. Guess what?? Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority
of American "foreign aid".
This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their "agents
of a foreign government" with the U S State Department. Guess what?? Israel (again) with its "American
Israel Political Action Committee" (AIPAC) still gets "foreign aid" in contravention of American law..
There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy "wonks" infecting the U S
government who hold "dual citizenship" with Israel. Such dual citizenship only reinforces "split
loyalty"–NOT upholding the interests of the United States, and must be strictly prohibited.
Those holding
dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship. Refusal to do so should result in
immediate deportation with loss of American citizenship. Present and former holders of dual citizenship
should not be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.
The American Presidents Johnson and Nixon were satisfied with the Israeli explanation that they would not
be the first to introduce nuclear weapons to the mid east. Successive administrations accept this
declaration and are not interested in forcing them to join the IAEA.
Fair enough too given the history of their persecution and the massive contributions of Jewish
brainpower to America's bomb project and many prior and subsequent, scientific, medical, legal and
industrial efforts.
I hope not. There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.
Thanks to Giraldi and all
the commenters here who want to see our government function on our behalf. Right now it's riddled with
treason. Despite large majorities of both parties consistently identifying money as corrupting our
politics, bribery became normalized in part so that Jewish politics could prosper. Now we no longer even
expect our representative to pretend.
The hypocrisy is especially evident in Washington's approach to Saudi
Arabia and other Middle East 'allies.' President Donald Trump poses for photos with
ceremonial swordsmen on his arrival to Murabba Palace, as the guest of King Salman bin
Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia, Saturday evening, May 20, 2017, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
(Official White House Photo by Shealah Craighead) American leaders like to portray the United
States as an exemplar of ethical conduct in the international system. The reality is far
different, and it has been for decades. Throughout the Cold War, the United States embraced extremely repressive
rulers , including the Shah of Iran, Nicaragua's Somoza family, Taiwan's Chiang Kai-shek,
and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, all the while portraying them as noble members of the "Free World."
Such blatant hypocrisy and double standards continue today regarding both Washington's own
dubious behavior and the U.S. attitude toward the behavior of favored allies and friends.
The gap between professed values and actual policy is especially evident in the Middle East.
U.S. officials routinely excoriate Syria and Iran, not only for their external behavior, but
for manifestations of domestic abuse and repression. Some of those criticisms are valid. Both
Bashar al-Assad's regime and Iran's clerical government are guilty of serious international
misconduct and human-rights violations. But the credibility of Washington's expressions of
outrage is vitiated when those same officials remain silent, or even excuse, equally serious --
and in some cases, more egregious -- abuses that the United States and its allies commit.
Following the Syrian regime's alleged use of chemical weapons in early April, President
Trump painted Assad as an exceptionally vile enemy. He immediately issued a tweet describing
the Syrian leader as "an animal" who gassed his own people. In his subsequent
address to the American people announcing punitive air and missile strikes , Trump charged
that the incident confirmed "a pattern of chemical weapons use by that very terrible regime.
The evil and despicable attack left mothers and fathers, infants and children thrashing in pain
and gasping for air. These are not the actions of a man. They are crimes of a monster instead."
The president also blasted Russia and Iran for their longstanding sponsorship of Assad. "To
Iran and to Russia, I ask: What kind of a nation wants to be associated with the mass murder of
innocent men, women and children?"
TAC 's Daniel Larison provided an apt
response to that question. "Trump should know the answer, since he just hosted one of the
chief architects of the war on Yemen that the U.S. has backed to the hilt for the last three
years. Britain welcomed the Saudi crown prince earlier on, and France just hosted him in the
last few days. All three have been arming and supporting the Saudis and their allies in Yemen
no matter how many atrocities they commit."
Indeed, the United States has been an outright accomplice in those atrocities, which among
other tragic effects, has led to a
cholera epidemic in Yemen. The U.S. military
refuels Saudi coalition warplanes and
provides intelligence to assist them in their attacks on Yemen -- attacks that have
exhibited total indifference about civilian casualties. A recent revelation implicates
Washington in even more atrocious conduct. Evidence has emerged that Saudi forces have employed
white phosphorous munitions, and that the United States supplied those foul weapons that
inflict horrible burns on their victims. For U.S. leaders to criticize Syria for using chemical
weapons in light of such behavior may reach a new level of hypocrisy.
Washington's double standard also is evident regarding the international conduct of another
U.S. ally: Turkey. U.S. officials reacted with
a vitriolic denunciation of Russia's annexation of Crimea, but the reaction was -- and
remains -- very different regarding Ankara's invasion of Cyprus in 1974 and the occupation of
that country's northern territory. Washington's criticism was tepid even at the beginning, and
it has become more so with the passage of time. Indeed, there is greater U.S. pressure on the
government of Cyprus to accept a peace settlement that would recognize the legitimacy of the
puppet Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus that Ankara established (and has populated with
settlers from the Turkish mainland) and countenance the continued presence of Turkish troops.
Although the United States initially imposed mild sanctions on Turkey for invading and
occupying its neighbor, they were
soon lifted . Sanctions imposed against Russia are stronger, and there is little prospect
that they will be lifted, or even eased, in the foreseeable future.
Washington's criticism of Turkey's repeated military incursions into northern Iraq and
northern Syria likewise have been barely audible. That has been the case even though the
targets in Syria are Kurdish forces that aided the United States and its allies in their war
against ISIS.
The flagrant U.S. double standard also is apparent in the disparate assessments of the
domestic conduct of Iran and such U.S. allies as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. UN Ambassador Nikki
Haley verbally eviscerates Tehran at every opportunity for repressing its population. When
anti-government demonstrations erupted in several Iranian cities earlier this year, Haley was
quick to embrace their cause. "The Iranian regime's contempt for the rights of its people has
been widely documented for many years,"
she stated during a Security Council session. Haley added that the United States stood
"unapologetically with those in Iran who seek freedom for themselves, prosperity for their
families, and dignity for their nation."
Iran certainly does not resemble a Western-style democracy, but its political system is
vastly more open than either Egypt's or Saudi Arabia's. Although the clerical Guardian Council
excludes any candidate for office that it deems unacceptable, competing elections take place
between individuals with often sharply contrasting views. President Hassan Rouhani won a new
electoral mandate over a decidedly more hardline opponent in the May 2017 presidential
election. Compared to some U.S. allies in the Middle East, Iran resembles a Jeffersonian
democracy.
The Saudi royal family does not tolerate even a hint of domestic opposition. People have
been imprisoned or beheaded merely for daring to criticize the regime. Saudi Arabia's overall
human-rights record is easily one of the worst in the world, as Human Rights Watch
and
Amnesty International have documented. It is a measure of just how stifling the system is
that the government finally allowing women to drive is considered a radical reform. A similar
suffocating
miasma of repression exists in Egypt, where President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi has
imprisoned thousands of political opponents, executed hundreds, and wins rigged elections
by
absurd margins reminiscent of those in Soviet satellite countries during the Cold War.
Yet, President Trump and other U.S. officials express little criticism of those brutal,
autocratic allies. Trump's demeanor during his state visit to Riyadh last year bordered on
fawning. Washington approves multi-billion-dollar arms deals for both Saudi Arabia and Egypt,
despite their legendary human-rights abuses. As noted, the United States even continues to
assist Saudi Arabia in its atrocity-ridden military intervention in Yemen.
There may be plausible geo-strategic reasons for persisting in such double standards. Iran,
for example, has been openly hostile to the United States and its policy objectives since the
fall of the Shah. It is not illogical for Washington to be intent on countering the influence
of Tehran and its Syrian ally, even if that requires making common cause with other repressive
regimes in the region. But U.S. leaders need to be candid with the American people and
acknowledge that their decisions are based on cold calculations of national interest, not
ethical considerations. They should at least spare us their pontificating and the pretense that
they care about the rights or welfare of Middle Eastern populations. Washington's policies
indicate otherwise.
Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy at the Cato Institute
and a contributing editor at The American Conservative , is the author or coauthor of
10 books on international affairs, including Perilous Partners: The Benefits and Pitfalls
of America's Alliances with Authoritarian Regime. MORE FROM THIS AUTHOR
"Evidence has emerged that Saudi forces have employed white phosphorous munitions, and
that the United States supplied those foul weapons that inflict horrible burns on their
victims. For U.S. leaders to criticize Syria for using chemical weapons in light of such
behavior may reach a new level of hypocrisy."
Gah! I am so ashamed of having voted for this man. I really thought he was going to get us
out of there. I can't believe he's selling the Saudis white phosphorus bombs at the same time
he's justifying missile strikes against Syria because of "alleged" use of chemical
weapons.
"I can't believe he's selling the Saudis white phosphorus bombs at the same time he's
justifying missile strikes against Syria because of "alleged" use of chemical weapons."
You don't have anything to be ashamed about. One can be disappointed that the candidate of
their choice by hook or by crook has gone astray. But those are his choices. And those
choices are to the delight of those we opposed in the election. I suspect that if we sold WP,
it's a sale that took place long before the election.
I thought he would reduce our footprint as well. In fact, I suspected he was going to less
with less. Other states are entitled to work out their issues with one another. As a nation
we have some shame to bear, but Pres. Trump is far down the least.
The author torpedoes his own argument when he says "there may be plausible geo-strategic
reasons for persisting in such double standards. Precisely! Ultimately, all the author wants
is that US politicians spare Americans their pontificating and the pretence that they care
about the rights or welfare of populations. In other words, he has no quibble with the
foreign policy, he just wants US politicians to be open about what they're doing.
"Iran, for example, has been openly hostile to the United States and its policy objectives
since the fall of the Shah."
Iran has been openly hostile to the US since Eisenhower engineered the fall of Mosaddegh,
and for good reasons. The Shah and his torturers fit right in with MbS and al-Siri, or the
Bush/Tenet CIA and its Haspels.
"Evidence has emerged that Saudi forces have employed white phosphorous munitions, and
that the United States supplied those foul weapons "
Talk about burying the lede along with the bodies.
"A wolf, meeting with a Lamb astray from the fold, resolved not to lay violent hands on him,
but to find some plea to justify to the Lamb the Wolf's right to eat him. He thus addressed
him: "Sirrah, last year you grossly insulted me."
"Indeed," bleated the Lamb in a mournful tone of voice, "I was not then born."
Then said the Wolf, "You feed in my pasture."
"No, good sir," replied the Lamb, "I have not yet tasted grass."
Again said the Wolf, "You drink of my well."
"No," exclaimed the Lamb, "I never yet drank water, for as yet my mother's milk is both
food and drink to me."
Upon which the Wolf seized him and ate him up, saying, "Well! I won't remain supperless,
even though you refute every one of my imputations."
Moral: The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny."
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For a few more years, the US will have absolute power over other people and we will use that
power in an absolutely corrupt way at the behest of our overlords in Riyadh and Jerusalem.
When retribution finally comes our way, no one will shed a tear for us.
You really do have virtually none left in your long march to empire.
It has been almost nothing but lies and manipulation for decades.
Yes, you still have subservient countries like Britain or France who parrot your stuff,
but that's only because they are afraid of the consequences of not doing so.
You cannot be both a decent country and a world empire, and almost everyone in the world
outside the United States understands that.
Great article in my opinion. I disagree with the comment of Michael Kenny: I don't think the
author just wants the U.S. politicians to stop lyinf and to start to admit that they -U.S.
politicians and the other U.S. people with power- do what they do because of their interests.
I think the author wants to denounce the fact that all the ethical arguments presented by
those with power -not only in the U.S., by the way- are "necessary lies".
How necessary lies? Simple: no president, or ruller, can face his polity's people to say
that they are going to war on economics or political interests; the only way to justify, I
would dare to say emotionaly more than morally, all the horrors of war, is with the excuse of
the "Greater Good". To do evil is justified if it is done in order to check a bigger evil",
so to speak.
But obvoisully, no one accepts all the spenditures of war "just to do good".
And I think the author points to another, maybe more profound matter: it is like the tale
of the lier shepperd who, when the wolf was really coming, no one believed him, and well, the
tale didn´t end too well for the shepperd; but I will leave it as an open end.
Now the other countries arround the world are also interets´guided, and therefore
can be considered schemers aswell. The problem is that even schemers need to be able to feel
trust, or common action becomes immpossible.
Good article, but a bit off-base on the criticism of Turkey's annexation of northern Cyprus.
As you may or may not recall, in 1974 the Greek military junta planned to annex all of Cyprus
to Greece, which would have violated the treaty then in force and brought northern Cyprus,
which was predominantly inhabited by Turks, under Greek rule. Turkey responded accordingly by
taking northern Cyprus. Greece and Turkey have had a long history of conflict; it is a
mistake to make a simple good guys vs bad guys story out of it. I know it was a long time
ago, but history is important.
Still we are talking about dismissing a lot of financial benefit, I suspect that even Pres
Macron hedged his press for a better deal while keeping what's in place considered that
potential loss.
" The missiles under development do not in any way threaten the United States and they
were not in any event part of the agreement and should not be considered a deal breaker."
They already tried this argument when those tests were conducted and failed. It's clear as
day, such tests are not on the table. Not with this agreement.
"But who will tell him? Will it be John Bolton or Nikki Haley or Mike Pompeo? I doubt it."
That is how his previous advisers were caught in a double bind. They supported action in
Syria, but not Iran. Yet taking action in Syria was part of taking action against Iran. It
appears they got squeezed by their own agenda.
I've been Bolton watching .he's fired and replaced almost everyone on Trump's in house
security council and is now firing the homeland security team members.
Trump , besides being mobbed up with Russian Jewish mafia in his personal business, is now
fully Zionized and Neoconned in the WH. He's also sweating blood over what may come out of
Cohen so he's in the perfect enraged and unbalanced mental state to unload his frustrations
by pushing the button on whoever the Jew Fifth Column and Neo psychos tell him to.
Given the choice between decimating Iran with another ME war and the complete collapse of
the US ..I am praying for a 1920′s like total meltdown of WS and the whole financial
system.
That seems to me to be the only possible event other than a bloody revolution that would
bring our corrupt and unreformable government to a screeching halt.
Yep people would suffer some but tough shit .maybe, just maybe they would wake and realize
IT'S THE CORRUPTION STUPID .both foreign and domestic.
Breaking the Iran deal is the only pre-election promise that Trump is going to keep. Not that
Trump necessarily knew it or planned it. Trump could be stopped if there was an opposition in
this respect. Trump's decision will approved by Democrats. People in American, including the
whole Congress are too afraid to say anything positive and constructive about Iran just as
they are too afraid to object to monolithic anti Putin's Russia narrative that was
constructed in last 18 months.
Everything that took place since the election seems to be a part of the Deep State
maneuvering to get Trump exactly to this point. Bombing Syria, conflict with Russia and
attack against Iran is the only place where Trump can get fully bi-partisan consensus.
A pity PG published before hearing the latest whether Netanyshu's news is true or false
– not that he could have anticipated it.
I had just come across a circular current affairs email from a former very senior
Australian public servant with interests in Foreign Affairs and Treasury matters. I have done
my best to extract the relevant parts to paste below. To save time you could go straight to
"Netanyahu". I would be interested in your or PG's analysis. It seems unlikely that the
documents would all be fake but if some have been "adjusted" you might find yourself
searching for the fake as a needle in a haystack.
Israel's Discovery of Secret Iranian Nuclear Policy
It is difficult to understate the importance of Israel's "discovery" that, after in 2005
Iran signed a deal with the US (under Obama) and major European countries, it did not in fact
comply with the agreed restrictions on its nuclear activity in return for the lifting of
sanctions which included considerable US dollar "reserves". The press conference by Israel PM
Netanyahu and initial reactions from Trump are reported in the attached Trump on Iran. This
report appeared in my inbox at about 10 am this morning but was not mentioned on "our" ABC's
lunch time news. Another one for CEO Michelle Guthrie to explain.
Israeli PM Netanyahu told the press conference in Jerusalem that "After signing the
nuclear deal in 2015, Iran intensified its efforts to hide its secret files," he said. "In
2017 Iran moved its nuclear weapons files to a highly secret location in Tehran."It is
amazing that Mossad was able to penetrate the Iranian hiding place and then smuggle the
55,000 pages of documents and 183 CDs back to Israel. Netanyahu rightly describes Israel's
ability to acquire the archive as marking "a massive intelligence coup".
The "atomic archive" was compiled by Iran with the express purpose of preserving its
secretive nuclear weapons plan known as Project Amad, which aimed to "design, produce and
test five warheads, each with a 10 kiloton TNT yield, for integration on a missile. "That is
like five Hiroshima bombs to be put on ballistic missiles," asserted Netanyahu.
Netanyahu outlined Project Amad as containing five key elements described by the Times of
Israel thusly: "Designing
[I lost something here]
Trump Proclaims Netanyahu Announcement on Iran Shows 'I've Been 100% Right'
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President Donald Trump listens during a news conference with German Chancellor Angela
Merkel in the East Room of the White House, Friday, April 27, 2018, in Washington. (AP
Photo/Evan Vucci)
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by MICHELLE MOONS30 Apr 2018Washington, DC2,238
From a White House Rose Garden podium this afternoon, President Donald Trump declared that
he has been "100 percent right" on continued Iran nuclear development and brand new evidence
from the Israeli Prime Minister proves that.
Moments before President Trump and Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari held a joint press
conference in the White House Rose Garden on Monday afternoon, Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu took to televisionairwaves.
Netanyahu announced that he was in possession of intelligence that proves Tehran has been
running a secret nuclear weapons development program (see report below on what Netanyahu
said).
President Trump was asked about Netanyahu's announcement moments later during the joint
press conference. He was also asked if he had made a decision on whether to pull out of the
Iranian nuclear deal and if Trump does decide to pull out, does it send the wrong message to
North Korea regarding a potential nuclear deal there.
"No, I think it sends the right message," remarked Trump. "In seven years that deal will
have expired and Iran is free to go ahead and create nuclear weapons. That's not acceptable.
Seven years is tomorrow."
"If anything it's proven right, what Israel has done today with the news conference and
Prime Minister Netanyahu just gave a very I got to see a little bit of it," said Trump. "That
is just not an acceptable situation."
"I've been saying that's happening," said Trump. "They're not sitting back idly they're
setting off missiles which they say are for television purposes. I don't think so."
"We'll see what happens," said Trump who remarked that many have said they believe they
know what he's going to do, hinting that they believe he is going to pull out of the Iran
nuclear deal. A decision on whether to pull out will be made on or before May 12.
"That doesn't mean we won't negotiate a real agreement," President Trump assured. He added
that the current agreement "wasn't approved by too many people and it's a horrible agreement
for the United States, including the fact, Mr. President [Buhari], that we gave Iran 150
billion dollars and 1.8 billion in cash. Nigeria would like some of that."
"You know what we got? We got nothing," Trump said of the Iran deal.
Trump concluded, "I think if anything, what's happening today and what's happened over the
last little while and what we've learned has really shown that I've been 100 percent
right."
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Watch: Netanyahu – 100,000 Secret Files Prove Iran 'Lied Big Time' About Nukes
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by AARON KLEIN30 Apr 201811,417
TEL AVIV -- In a dramatic press conference in Jerusalem aimed at the international
community, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday unveiled a cache of secret
files he says were obtained from inside a hidden Iranian site and clearly demonstrate that
Tehran maintained a secret nuclear weapons program despite declarations to the contrary.
Netanyahu explained that the structure of the U.S.-led international nuclear agreement was in
part based on deceptive Iranian descriptions of its previous nuclear work. He said Iran's
failure to disclose its secret program while misleading the world shows the nuclear deal is
"based on lies based on Iranian deception."
The Israeli leader presented evidence that Iran continued research for a nuclear weapons
program even after signing the 2015 nuclear deal.
"Iran's leaders repeatedly deny ever pursuing nuclear weapons," Netanyahu began. "Tonight
I'm here to tell you one thing: Iran lied."
"After signing the nuclear deal in 2015, Iran intensified its efforts to hide its secret
files," he said. "In 2017 Iran moved its nuclear weapons files to a highly secret location in
Tehran."
Netanyahu said the secret nuclear files prove the following:
Iran lied about never having a secret nuclear program. Second, even after the deal it
continued to expand its nuclear program for future use. Third, Iran lied by not coming clean
to the IAEA. Finally, the nuclear deal is based on lies based on Iranian deception.
The prime minister's speech was based on 55,000 pages of documents and 183 CDs that
Netanyahu said were smuggled out of an "atomic archive" painstakingly preserving Iran's
secretive nuclear program so that the country would have the option of restarting its nuclear
weapons activities after the nuclear deal expires or in the case of Tehran prematurely
bolting the agreement. Israel's ability to acquire the archive marks a massive intelligence
coup for the Jewish state.
"Iran lied. Big time," Netanyahu said of the half-ton of material obtained by Israel.
The trove, Netanyahu added, contains "incriminating documents, incriminating charts,
incriminating presentations, incriminating blueprints, incriminating photos, incriminating
videos and more."
He said Israel shared the material with the U.S., and that "the United States can vouch
for its authenticity."
The "atomic archive" was compiled by Iran with the express purpose of preserving its
secretive nuclear weapons plan known as Project Amad, which aimed to "design, produce and
test five warheads, each with a 10 kiloton TNT yield, for integration on a missile."
"That is like five Hiroshima bombs to be put on ballistic missiles," asserted
Netanyahu.
Netanyahu outlined Project Amad as containing five key elements described by the Times of
Israel thusly: "Designing nuclear weapons, developing nuclear cores, building nuclear
implosion systems, preparing nuclear tests and integrating nuclear warheads on missiles."
Netanyahu said that in 2003, Iran shut down the version of Project Amad that existed at
the time and instead divided its nuclear program into both covert and overt components.
Besides archiving the material for future use, Netanyahu said Iran continued to research
nuclear weapons.
Netanyahu called on President Donald Trump to "do the right thing" as the May 12 deadline
to recertify the nuclear agreement approaches.
"The right thing for the United States. The right thing for Israel. And the right thing
for the peace of the world," he concluded.
Well, Trump's trumpeting that he was 100% correct about Iran after Netanyahu's latest lies
about Iran could go in one of two ways:
1. Despite knowing that Netanyahu is lying through his teeth about Iran's nuclear
aspirations (while avoiding any mention of Israel's own stolen nukes), Trump could use this
as a fig leaf and choose to pull out of the Iran deal. The timing of this coincides with Iran
dropping the dollar, the same thing Ghadaffy and Saddam did before getting destroyed.
Interestingly, Russia and China may drop the dollar too. It is unlikely that they will pull
out of the deal. The UK and France might, but Germany probably won't as its interests lie
with Russia. So, even if the US pulls out of the deal, Iran still wins, and Israel/US become
increasingly isolated.
2. Trump is just blowing smoke and won't pull out of the deal, or maybe, congress won't
let him. Constitutionally, the Iran deal is a treaty, and I believe congress (Israeli
territory) has a say in it – but they have not really been upholding the Constitution,
so that may not matter. But, assuming he does not tear up the deal, Iran still wins.
So, either way the wind blows, it really doesn't matter to Iran. We are a has-been
power.
Meanwhile, Israel is poking the Russian bear in Syria by striking at an Iranian depot there,
killing many. Whether Russia provided S-300 systems to Syria or not, Iran is likely to
provide their own version of the S-300. Israel's days may be numbered. War clouds darken the
skies.
"The strategy of dragging the US into a regional conflagration couldn't be more
clear."
Israel: like a brain tumor or brain parasite, it degenerates its host's reasoning capacity to
the point where the host loses all concept of its own personal interests.
Renewed sanctions may or may not shut defiant Asian bankers out of the American market but
they sure as hell would shut American banks out of the Asian market. The message would be
clear: anyone doing business with an American bank would be subject to arbitrary actions of
the US government.
Big elephant in the room, is Russia's indulgence of Israel, letting the Israelis kill
Iranians and others in Syria, as they just did despite Vladimir Putin's empty 'warning' to
Netanyahu Putin who refuses to give Syria Russia's advanced missile defences that would block
Israeli attacks on his alleged 'ally'
A sentiment amongst Arabs & MidEast Muslims is that you cannot trust the white or
European governments, they may help you in part out of self-interest (e.g., Russia in Syria),
but they seem to always cut a deal with Israel
V. Putin always chummy with 'Putin's Rabbi' Berel Lazar of the Mossad-tied Chabad Jewish
religious cult, Putin a 'Russo-Zionist' who has Unz's 'The Saker' Andrei Raevsky distracting
from Putin's deep Israeli ties
But then there is Netanyahu's powerful new presentation re Iran
Those who argue that the withdrawal of the U.S. from JCPOA will be countered by the
continued cooperation of the other signatories to the agreement are, one might
unfortunately note, somewhat delusional. The U.S. has tremendous leverage in financial
markets.
Probably Trump will fuck over China on the Korean Peninsula and EU on Iran.
The Bolshevik MSM will blame it on nationalism as it leads to the collapse of the dollar,
as the rest of the world stops bowing to US treachery and criminality (yes, sanctions are war
crimes).
This will lead to a move for a global currency or the like.
Trump is being set up for failure. He was a buffoon (Orangutan) to begin with, not very
bright, far too egotistical and morally depraved, a perfect Shabbath goy for the
((bankers).
Iran's clear intent to build nukes, threaten Israel and control militarily and via a Shite
theocracy centered in Teheran, a vast swathe of the Middle East and Western Asia is a good
thing?
Netanyahu/IDF has the prescience, balls and military to destroy the Mullahs dream and the
sooner he does it the better for the world.
Any American that doesn't want to fight and die for the glory of Apartheid Israel is a
neo-Nazi anti-Semite!
We should be glad to see our sons and daughters getting killed for Israel's regional
expansion plans and not complain when gasoline goes to $10 a gallon, after all, it's for our
friend and ally Israel that we suffer this minor inconvenience.
Everyone knows that his Imperial Majesty Netanyhau needs a to expand the invasion of Syria
with the carpet-bombing of Iran, to help keep Bibi our of prison for corruption, fraud and
perjury.
Look how prescient Bibi was in regards to our invasion of Iraq!
FLASHBACK: Netanyahu Said Iraq War Would Benefit The Middle East
"If you take out Saddam, Saddam's regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous
positive reverberations on the region the test and the great opportunity and challenge is
not merely to effect the ouster of the regime, but also transform that society and thereby
begin too the process of democratizing the Arab world."
The pressure on Iran MIGHT be a backdoor incentive to stop sharing ANYTHING with North Korea,
ever again. No nuclear fuel, no triggers, no missiles. War with either is simply unthinkable
and tipping over governments leaving only rubble, dangerous rubble this time with either, is
NOT an option.
Israel can pretty much HAVE Syria, I guess, but we aren't going to send the troops and
Bibi is going to have to handle Iran at his own peril. Our interest, our TRUE further
interest with Iran at this point with the UN sitting on them is to deprive North Korea of any
further tech. Hence, the "noise" over the deal with Iran. Hope so, anyway.
You are working for a paycheck, don't just phone it in. Be convincing. E.F.F.O.R.T. Use
assorted words that indicate a sprightly, bright mind, not a poor home-office worker. Come
on.
I'm 99.999% sure that he's lying, I saw a brief clip of him and his lips were moving.
It would be a wonderful day for peace in the ME if Iran had not 5 but 10 nukes ready to
launch. I doubt that they'd be launched but they would serve as an excellent deterrent to
Nuttenyahoo's murderous insanity.
How many with knowledge of arabic, and knowledge of the Iranian nuclear program, will get
the opportunity to investigate if this is not a massive fraud ?
I suppose months will be needed to investigate.
And even is there is such an investigation, and the conclusion would be fraud, who would dare
to say so, and who would believe it ?
I did not see that Netanyahu invited anyone to investigate.
Putin is weak. Put pressure on him and he folds. Any people who trusts an outsider are
stupid–sadly, Arabs, in particular, and Muslim, in general, keep doing this over and
over again. Insanity? Dumb Arabs got snookered by Lawrence of "Arabia"/Britain into fighting
Turkish Muslims. Now those Arabs are "enjoying" life under the American jackboot.
This is not a regional conflagration, as the USA Civil War was not, as the Spanish Civil
war was not, as the Korean civil war was not, as the Saudi Yemen conflict is not.
Netanyahu/IDF has the prescience, balls and military to destroy the Mullahs dream and
the sooner he does it the better for the world.
Oh yeah? Then why doesn't he?
You know why? Because the Israelis are scared shitless of the Iranians. Think about
it: they can't even handle Hezbollah! They're not going to try their luck with Iran. Oh no!
Here's what they're going to do (or at least try to do): they're gonna try and get their big,
dumb Washington golem to attack Iran for them.
Now, let's see what Russia and China do. They've already successfully blocked USreal's
attempt at overthrowing the Syrian government. Are they gonna sit back and let them go after
Iran? Somehow I doubt it.
How many with knowledge of arabic, and knowledge of the Iranian nuclear program
Farsi, not Arabic. These are Persians, man.
I suppose months will be needed to investigate.
I don't think so.
The IAEA verification programme is still on.
They (the IAEA) can emit an official statement RIGHT THIS EVENING.
Tell Nethanyahoo to STFU and get out of here and re-affirm compliance under the
treaty.
NOBODY is forbidding Iran to keep reams of paper with concentric circles (apparently drawn
by someone who believes he thinks this should look like) on it in safes – or PowerPoint
presentations on CDs for that matter.
Do they have an undeclared stash of HEU somewhere? No? Then end of story.
As one informed observer has noted, "a train wreck is probably coming, with very
damaging consequences that are hard to predict."
You know, I agree with Giraldi's basic premise that the JPCOA is a good idea–at any
rate, it would be a good idea if Washington were under saner management.
But the way things are going these days, I say: bring it on! Let Chump go ahead and
unilaterally cancel the agreement. Either: a.) this will cause a huge rift within NATO; or
b.) all the Euro-muppets will finally see who it is that really runs their continent and
revolt against their own Quisling rulers.
The U.S. and Israel are also expressing concern about Iranian ballistic missile
capability. Again, ballistic missiles would appear to be a weapon that Israel alone seeks
to monopolize in its neighborhood because it seeks to regard itself as uniquely threatened,
that is, always the victim.
Don't those crazy mullahs realize who the real victims are here? You know, I think
Iran needs to start building some Holocaust memorials!
The U.S. has tremendous leverage in financial markets. If it chooses to sanction Iran
over its missiles while also re-introducing the old sanctions relating to the nuclear
developments, it would be a brave European or Asian banker who would risk being blocked out
of the American market by lending money or selling certain prohibited goods to the
Iranians.
Which means what? It means that Iran, off limits to USraels' various puppet-states, falls
ever deeper into the Chinese orbit, thereby strengthening the new Eurasian system that is
forming. Again: bring it on!
You put some relatively coherent comments on this site once in a while, but "knowledge of
arabic" to understand documents and CDs from Iran? WTF is wrong with you, man!
Exactly! Phil is a good man, put in years working for US intelligence, the US government,
the US military perhaps (I forget). He is unable to make the jump that is necessary. Council
for the National Interest indeed! Phil, make the jump. Realize and accept that the US is
history, the population is brainwashed and your trying to edumacate them will result in
bupkis! Then start supporting the powers that will bring down the US (China, Russia, Iran,
Syria, Iraq, etc), because they are the ones that will get to Israel and its fifth column.
The parasite has taken over the host; the host must die in order to eradicate the
parasite.
It's absolutely imperitive for the "Resistance" that US withdraws from the nuclear accord,
for it to win.
It's the golden chance for the human race to rid itself of the Anglo-Wahabi-Zionist scum. The
evil empire needs controlled wars, the Resistance needs full blown war. Unless that happens,
elites will maintain their grip over the socio-economical factors. This scum has infected the
institutions so deep, nothing short of a full blown war will accomplish this. It's harsh
sure, but ain't truth always is ?
"Big elephant in the room, is Russia's indulgence of Israel"
There is no elephant in the room. Russia is in Syria because Putin was invited by his
friend and war criminal, The King of Israel. Russia is playing the bad/good cop role.
Only a fool can't see that.
"A sentiment amongst Arabs & MidEast Muslims is that you cannot trust the white or
European governments"
If the Arabs themselves are in bed with European and American governments, I don't believe
that is correct to say that "sentiment" exist.
Maybe among some young honest Arabs, who are irrelevant.
Even The House Saud, the "protector of Islam's holiest sites" is in the bed with the
enemies of Arabs/Islam. She has always been. Today, only those we are willingly blind, can't
see it.
The House of Saud is as much Muslim as American Presidents are Christians. or Tony Blair
is a Christian.
Again, only naîve readers take "The Saker" seriously.
The man is not only a bad writer but a very bad propagandist. Same standard of Propaganda
than MSM.
Paul Craig Roberts is more intelligent and a better writer than "The Saker", but he is so
obssessed with the tree that he refuses to see the forest.
PCR is a religious man. Sometimes beliefs impede you to see the reality.
The Mullahs have been working with the NorKs on nukes. The Iranians started violating the
agreement before the ink was dry on the parchment. Anyone that truly believes the Iranians
gave up their efforts to get nukes is a hot prospect to buy the Brooklyn bridge.
Russia is in Syria because Putin was invited by his friend and war criminal, The King of
Israel. Russia is playing the bad/good cop role.
Only a fool can't see that.
So the US gave Iran $150 billion and $1.5 billion in cash and Nigeria would like some of
that. A lot of places would like some of that including the deplorables in the US. If it was
a waste and a fraud to give it to Iran why repeat the scenario with Nigeria or an of the 140
plus contries/states/ nations seeking a US handout?
Trump will pull out of the nuclear agreement with Iran because this is what Netanyahu and the
ziocons who control the U.S. gov want and the Zionists have controlled the U.S. gov for over
100 years and this control has given us wars and debt and destruction both here in America
and around the world.
If anyone doubts that Israel controls the U.S. gov , just remember that Israel did 911 and
got away with it.
Jews are religious psychopaths and so are Moslems. Why exactly is it better to have the
former, rather than the latter, be the big dog in the Middle East?
For all their other faults, I don't recall Moslems in the West trying to take over the
media, entertainment industry, education and financial systems and government in order to
undermine and ultimately destroy the host nation and advance their own race.
Strange how many people believe that France is pursuant of her own national interest in
spite of Macron being a zio-bankster puppet. France has been infected by Zionists ever since
de Gaulle had to resign and is therefore as untrustworthy as the USA or the UK.
The French simply play the role the globalist mafia assigns them at any given moment.
Just remember Iran, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan .. have never attacked America, probably never
will, unless provoked to do so, which is exactly what we are doing now.
Who has attacked America? Israel, Saudis, Pakis, our allies and traitors within our own
"government". Let that sink in. That is who our "government" is now. Allied with the enemy.
Traitors, every one of them that kiss Israels ass, sell the Saudis billions in weaponry, send
billions in taxpayer foreign aid.
9/11, Lavon affair, USS Liberty, JFK assassination, Las Vegas Massacre, many more that we
still don't know of because they control the media.
The Israelis and traitors are cooking up a false flag right now as we speak to justify war
with Iran. The provocations don't seem to be working fast enough
It is, on the contrary, an American interest not to have another nuclear proliferator in
the Middle East in addition to Israel, which Washington has never dared to confront on the
issue.
Mr. Giraldi, thanks again for another great article. However, I'm proud to say for the
first time I am able to correct you on something. It is not true that Washington has never
stood up to Israel on it's obtaining nuclear weapons. In point of fact John F Kennedy stood
up to them on it and demanded that the international community be able to inspect Dimona.
This was such an acrimonious issue between Kennedy and David Bin-Gurion that it ultimately
resulted in the latter retiring from office:
Shortly after our president's untimely death the Israelis stole hundreds of pounds of
enriched uranium from Apollo, Pennsylvania, probably deliberately transferred to them in fact
by NUMEC:
Today, more is publicly known about the NUMEC affair than ever before. In 2009 The FBI
released a detailed statement that was made in 1980 by a former NUMEC employee who said he
started work at Apollo in February 1965 and was fired in October 1978 by the present owner,
Babcock and Wilcox, Inc., for job abandonment following an alleged job-related illness. The
former employee said he encountered armed strangers on the uranium plant's loading dock one
night in early 1965. He said they were loading what appeared to be canisters of HEU onto a
truck in racks that he had not seen before. He also saw a shipping manifest that said the
material was heading to a ship bound for Israel on the Zim-Israel shipping line. He said
that a NUMEC manager later threatened him to keep his mouth shut about what he had seen.
From the mid 1980s through 2009, the FBI also declassified some of its other reports from
the 1960s and into the early 1970s. Those reports indicated that Zalman Shapiro, throughout
the time he headed NUMEC, collaborated with a number of Israeli officials.
Kennedy's death marks the end of an era when Washington (sometimes) acted independently of
Israel. From November 22, 1963 onward every US president has happily cooperated with Israel
in foreign affairs.
But then again I'm sure you know all of this history. I wonder though how many people have
pondered its implications.
" Even the generals in the Pentagon favor continuing it [the JCPOA] as do U.S. close
allies Germany, France and Britain. The ability of Israel and its Lobby to dominate U.S.
foreign policy formulation in certain areas is thereby exposed for what it is: sheer
manipulation of our system of government by a small group dedicated to the interests of a
foreign government using money and the political access that money buys to achieve that
objective."
Israel has no right to comment on Iran's nuclear activities as the Jewish state is not
party to a non-proliferation agreement. Netanyahu and Israel "are in no position to accuse
Iran of anything, they're not part of the nuclear deal, they're not even a member of the
[Nuclear Proliferation Treaty]," Hamed Mousavi, Professor of political science at the
University of Tehran, told RT.
"And we have to remember that Israel is the only regime in the region that actually has
nuclear weapons," he concluded.
I implore all readers to spread the word for people to do a minimal amount of research
about these people that threaten the very existence of the biosphere on Earth (such a lovely
little blue planet), the best place to start is " The Controversy " by
Douglas Reed
You can find it online by using a search engine using those tags.
Protect your identity.
Avoid google.
Russia & Israel are Birds of a Feather as far as I'm concerned. They both make
EVERYTHING about them. It's ALL about them. Always. How they're a People . A Proud
People with a Proud Heritage . Blah blah blah blah ..ad nauseum.
Both of them also play the Victim Card in perpetuity and as cover for their
Predations .
It's telling that NO ONE, whether it be The Mainstream Media or The Alternative
Media , investigates the Nexus between Israel & Russia. Afterall, Israel is
comprised of more than few Soviet/Russian Jews and Putin is very concerned about
Russians in the Diaspora .
In December 2016, Kiev voted for UN Resolution 2334, demanding that Israel cease
"settlement activity," which led to a short crisis between Jerusalem and Kiev, but things
are now back on track.
Israel, however, must balance its relations with Ukraine with Jerusalem's close
relations with Moscow.
Only an idiot thinks that Iran is honest. Only an idiot thinks that Iran has peaceful
intentions. And only an idiot thinks that Iran under the mullahs is a better place for its
citizens than Iran under the Shah.
Iran has been attacking other countries and groups for decades. Do you people not remember
the hostages? Attacking tankers in the gulf? Funding the Beirut barracks attack?
If you want to whine about how bad America and Israel are, you need to find a "victim"
that isn't a bloodthirsty gang of Farsi terrorists.
Had to laugh. This has been clear for as long as the US Government has made treaties with the
Native Nations.
"They and others also have noted that U.S. exit from the agreement will mean that other
nations will negotiate with Washington with the understanding that a legal commitment entered
into by the President of the United States cannot be trusted after he is out of office."
For all the people who are warning me how the evil foreign Zionazis run America, let's look
how your fearless leader Bibi got his start. Recruited at MIT, immediate big job with BCG,
the Mormon spooks' slush fund, then prompt, inexplicable Obama-style preferment by DCI Bush
and NOCmeister Schultz, then up like a rocket.
"Netanyahu was spotted at MIT in 1973 and the grooming began there when he was in his
early twenties. After graduating, he received a high paying job at Boston Consulting. His
boss was Ira Magaziner (CFR). But he quit the job in 1979, returned to Israel, starting
selling furniture at the Rim company, then organized an anti-terror convention. Inexplicably,
the CFR sent a team of their biggest guns including George Bush Sr, Richard Perle and George
Shultz to this unknown 27 year old's get-together. Once the convention was over, Netanyahu
returned to work selling home furniture for three years until 1982, when Washington
Ambassador Moshe Arens invited him to be his deputy. He claimed the choice was indirectly
made by those who came to his convention and "were impressed with his performance." That
means Bush and Shultz pressed Arens to bring Bibi to Washington. From there, they pushed his
career higher. In 1985, Shultz chaired another anti-terror convention in Washington
supposedly organized by Netanyahu. By the time Bibi was UN Ambassador, Schultz visited him
every time he was in New York, and that was often."
So don't gimme this Jew business. Netanyahu is CIA's homonculus. Israel will cease to
exist the instant they quit doing CIA's dirty work. CIA says jump and Israel says how high.
The whole US government says how high. This all comes back to your National Command
Authority, which is CIA.
Whatever the nature of the political rule in Iran, there's a signed multilateral
agreement.
Whatever you believe the intentions of the Iranians are, civilised people judge actions using
evidence, not alleged intentions, notwithstanding that regarding intentions, I'd trust an
Iranian over an Israeli any time.
As for the "land bridge" to the Mediterranean, we common sense people call that a road and we
believe roads are good for trade and therefore for peace.
Mr. Giraldi,
I generally like Your work.
Let's look at this logically though.
North Korea is not launching missiles overs Japanese waters or doing nuclear testing. Is it a
coincidence that this happened under Trump's short time in office. Ditto for the Syrian and
Iraq terrorists being de-funded, weapons shipments being stopped, and satellite /drone / etc
military info sources canceled with their forces then being crushed? Ditto for the massive
governmental changes in Saudi Arabia? Ditto for FAIRER trade agreements with China. Ditto for
unemployment rates for AfroAmericans being the lowest in decades? .ON and ON..
So why assume that because French president ..Macaroni.., who is a former Rothchild banker,
has any integrity in his opinions about Iran?
The poor Iranians, like the North Koreans, Syrians, and Iraqis, have suffered enough. My
assumption here is that the Iranian people will one day idolize Donald Trump, for saving them
from their oppressors. These oppressors include their own religious hierarchy, the
international bankers, the globalists, the Obama's, the Bushes, the Clinton's, and other
pychopathic and narrissitic power hungry predators. Of course Trump, is just the tip of the
spear. We know that components of the military, intelligence services, and other powerful
forces are openly and secretly supporting this movement toward transformation.
And only an idiot thinks that Iran under the mullahs is a better place for its citizens
than Iran under the Shah.
I'll add ..
And only an idiot thinks that Iran under the Shah was a better place for its citizens
than Iran would have been under Mossadeq had the CIA not murdered him to reseat the
Shah.
Are The Koch Brothers and The Mercers Jewish? They have no qualms about destroying the
Biosphere and they are Trump Supporters . I know Stephen Miller is Jewish and
he's one of two people to miraculously survive Trump's Stalinesque Purges .
If you're a Trump Supporter , you're an Israel Supporter and a Zionist
Supporter and you're an enemy of the Palestinians and the imminent war with Iran
is your doing by virtue of your support.
With notable objectivity, Johnny Smoggins wrote:
"For all their other faults, I don't recall Moslems in the West trying to take over the media
in order to undermine and ultimately destroy the host nation and advance their own race."
Hi Johnny Smoggins,
Bingo! A totalitarian control-priority (characteristic) is media takeover.
America's mighty Jewish Corporate Media had the advantage of an expert "blueprint" to
follow, & of course, unlimited financial means & devotional will to do it.
Please consider perusing "Protocols of Zion," in particular
[MORE] # 12, (published in
Russia, 1905), & linked below?
Libya's & anti-Zionist Colonel Qaddafi wrote a "Green Book" designed to help direct
Islamic nations in developing society's based upon Allah's "Protocols," the Quran.*
Soon after Qaddafi's barbaric murder, no one here @ U.R. requires reminder of how ZUS
Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, boasted about the evil deed in a now famous "sound
bite"?
Thanks, Smoggins!
*. For those interested, Cynthia McKinney has written valuable articles on the
late-Qaddafi's humane social engineering plans.
Forgive me had I misidentified the works as "Green Book"? Likely U.R. commenter "Talha" knows
more & better than I.
I am not so sure about that. It was never voted on in the affirmative with a 2/3 Senate
vote. They had a goofy vote where it only could be undone by a 2/3 Senate vote. Every treaty
we seem to have done (like NAFTA) has never followed the Constitution for treaties. They
pretend it is something else and only a simply majority in Congress is needed.
Would the American people "forgive" him for whatever those sins were/are?
In 50 years, what would be remembered most about Trump, that he diddled little boys on
some Russsian Jewish oligarch's yacht, or that he gave the green light to US men & women
to be diddled by zionist Jews and their shabbas goy to destroy Iran for the benefit of
Israel, after which those same zionist Jews will pull the plug on Wall Street, abandon the
USA if not actively set out to destroy it, as zionists and banksters move on to better
opportunities.
We've seen this play before, quite a few times and over millennia, and the ending was
always the same: the state that hosted Jews ended up destroyed by those Jews, and those Jews
benefited and moved on to plow fresh fields.
" "By the rivers of Babylon, we wept as we remembered Zion If I forget thee, O
Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill. The do-er of all these shall never falter,"
Hier said, the words taken from the Biblical Psalm 137. . . .
Hier . . . believed to be the first rabbi to speak at a presidential inauguration since
1985. . . .
has known the parents of Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner for decades. . . . have also been
generous donors to the Simon Wiesenthal Center. . . ."
Hier did not recite the ending verses of Ps. 137:
Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us. Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
Our latest grandchild is not yet 3 months old.
Susan Rice's mushroom cloud imagery was phantasmagorical and calculated to induce
fear.
Biblical images conjured by "seizing your infants and dashing them agains the rocks," and
"slaying the first-born of Egyptians" and "slaying the ten sons of Haman and 75 000 innocent
Persian" may or may not be mythical; it is certain that these scenes form a central part of
Jewish religious celebration.
It is equally certain that Jews in Israel target Palestinian children, TODAY, to maim them
or to kill them
Ronen Bergman has written and spoken of Israel's use of assassination "more than any other
nation," to "change history."
At what point must we see a pattern and take it seriously?
When do Christians run out of cheeks and turn, instead, to ensuring a safe future for
their "posterity?"
Isn't that what United States founding documents promised, and isn't that why we spend so
much of our treasure and energy -- to ensure that OUR posterity -- our grandchildren -- can
grow up free of fear of having their brains dashed against the rocks in service to a
psychopathic god?
Your comment is gibberish , in the context of my comment, and it makes me doubt
that you are a real, individual person.
You have no idea what I do or don't support, above and beyond my belief that the more
people who know about the 2500 years of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud adherents
objectives and methods, the better off the world will be.
I encourage you to read " The Controversy ", by Douglas Reed , and
thereby educate yourself.
If you are real person, please explain your gibberish, and/or refrain from commenting on
my comments, in the future.
BTW: though I see no relevance to my comment, whatsoever, I am no particular supporter of
the current POTUS, beyond the fact that he won the contest as fairly as it is won, according
the way the actual system works; that is definitely NOT to say that I support or
believe in said system. And I will say that at the time I believed he was less bad than his
cheating opponent in the general election, and I have not changed that belief.
Who cares? Atomic bomb technology is 70 years old and any physics graduate student could
probably produce a functional uranium bomb design. The sooner the Iranians have a bomb the
sooner Adolph Netanyahu will have to stop crying about attacking Iran or do it and bring
about a war that might end Israel for good.
Interestingly, Russia and China may drop the dollar too. It is unlikely that they will
pull out of the deal.
The alternative for a world Reserve Currency would be the Euro. The Euro block is about
the same size economically as the US, it doesn't run big trade deficits and it's a large oil
importer (i.e. Saudi Dollar balances could be replaced with Euro balances).
Problem that the Saudis don't have a choice in the matter – the US forces them to
hold Dollars, and the Chinese won't accept the reality that the Yuan is insufficiently traded
to make it a world currency.
So the Russians alone could switch to Euros (require payment for their oil and gas in
Euros) which would encourage the Europeans to reduce their Dollar balances. Europeans would
in fact need a dual system – reserve Dollars for ME (non-Iranian) oil and reserve Euros
for Russian oil and gas.
This would already be bad for the US financial system, and much worse if third party
countries followed the Russian lead.
What? $20,000 for that 2005 Kia? Oh, Bibi, you giveaway artist you! It's worth waaaaaaaay
more than that? How about $50,000? Or a $million? No amount is too much for Congress to give
YOU, sweet Bibi McCree!
The U.S. and Israel are also expressing concern about Iranian ballistic missile
capability. Again, ballistic missiles would appear to be a weapon that Israel alone seeks
to monopolize in its neighborhood because it seeks to regard itself as uniquely threatened,
that is, always the victim. It is an argument that sells well in the U.S. Congress and in
the media, which has apparently also obtained traction in the White House. It is
nevertheless a fake argument contrived by the Israelis.
Exactly. Israel wants to stop what is unstoppable–other nations' in the region
desire for technological modernization. This modernization means, inevitably, better armed
forces and this Israel doesn't like. In fact, Israel BSed so many people for such a long time
that now her actual legitimate security concerns are simply drowned in the flood of
Israel-inspired threat inflation and other BS she "sells" in the US.
Could God the Almighty smash this despicable cockroach Jeffrey Feltman? http://www.voltairenet.org/article200978.html
"After the vain attempt in 2004 by Secretary of State Colin Powell to transform the Arab
League into a regional tribunal, Western aggression began with the assassination of Lebanese
ex-Prime Minister Rafic Hariri, in 2005. The US ambassador in Beïrut at that time,
Jeffrey Feltman – who probably organised this crime himself – immediately accused
Presidents Bachar el-Assad. yet false witnesses were unmasked, and the accusation
collapsed.
13 years later, Jeffrey Feltman is the number 2 of the United Nations, and the business at
hand is the alleged chemical attack on the Ghouta. The main suspect is, as usual, President
el-Assad."
– Who is Jeffrey Feltman? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_D._Feltman
"Jeffrey Feltman was born to Jewish parents in Greenville, Ohio, in 1959 Feltman served in
the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv from 1995–98 He served in Embassy Tel Aviv as Ambassador
Martin Indyk's Special Assistant on Peace Process issues from 2000-01. He then moved to the
U.S. Consulate General in Jerusalem "
-- Jeffrey Feltman is a ziocon arsonist, a dangerous member of the Fifth Column of
Israel-firsters in the US. Feltman is a bloody slanderer, a criminal.
This is a verbose article that tries to be too clever by half. It is all old news.
The whole reason for the JCPOA agreement was that we already knew Iran was developing
nuclear weapons. All Netanyahu (proved) is that Iran lied about it.
Anyone who believes that Iran won't continue to pursue nuclear weaponization regardless of
what deals it signs is naive in the extreme. It can can only be made more difficult.
Anyone want to speculate that Israel has already smuggled a nuke into Iran and is
perfectly happy to let Iran believe it?
Don't misunderstand me. I am not supporting Shiite hegemony. Just observing.
I'm under no illusions about Moslems, friend. I want neither in the West at all. But too
many Whites, mostly stupid Christ cuck types, act as apologists for the Jews and Israelis and
allow them to get away with far too much.
It would be great if Bibi had enough prescience to bring up his son to become a decent
human being.
Enjoy:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/09/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-son-strip-club-recording-intl/index.html
"In the tape, Yair Netanyahu, now 26, can be heard demanding money from Ori Maimon -- the son
of Kobi Maimon, an Israeli gas tycoon.
"My father did a good deal for you, brother," Yair is heard telling Ori. "We fought in the
Knesset for it, brother," Yair then continues saying. "My father battled for it, I
remember."
That's when Yair asks Ori for a little over $100.
"You are crying over 400 shekels," Yair taunts Ori. "My father sorted your father out with 20
billion dollars and you are crying over 400 shekels?" he adds, laughing.
The 400 shekels was "for the whore," Yair says.
Later, Roman Abramov, another friend of Yair, who joined the two at the strip club, tells the
men, "This conversation should not get out. God save us. God, if this gets out, it will be
hell."
A while later again, Yair asks: "Speaking of whores, what is open at this hour?"
If Putin is weak, who is strong? Show me anybody else in this entire damn world with guts
enough to resist the US gang?
Putin and Russia have been under pressure for at least 10 years and so far haven't folded.
All Putin is doing is trying to protect the Russian people from the worst of it. After all,
he is the President of Russia, not Iran or Syria, and his prime responsibility is to the
citizens of Russia.
The full court press for war on Iran has taken place today (4/30). The Zionist controlled
cable networks had Bibi Nut-n-yahoo on wall to wall coverage. Of course Trump followed the
Zionist party line like the good NY Real Estate guy he is and ate all the tripe that
Nut'n-yahoo made up (with the Mossad imprimatur) to convince the public to follow the Zionist
party line. I hope there is much push back but I have my doubts.
annamaria discussed the rather obscure activities of "cockroach," Jeffrey Feltman.
Hi annamaria,
Below is Jewish Corporate Media, Fox News Division's, brief interview with Israeli
Ambassador to the ZUS on JCOPA.
Please annamaria, for sake of "Continuing Education," watch this stilted discussion in
correspondence with Protocols of Zion, # 12, which I linked within comment 72?
Israel wants the U.S. to destroy Iran. We all get that. So the easy understanding regarding
Trump's behavior is that he is an Israeli. America First was a lie. I don't believe Trump is
an idiot or a mad man. But a case can be made. It's possible that Trump is controlled and is
not really commander of U.S. forces. If this is so and he does not tell us about it he is a
coward. Any way I turn it Trump is an idiot, a mad man, a coward or a Jew.
I'm a deplorable. That doesn't change. Trump gave us an identity and Clinton gave us our
name. Trump beat down the door. God bless him. But once he was inside he was all alone. We
deplorables desperately need leadership. Trump ain't it.
Only an idiot thinks that Israel is honest. With two liars lying constantly, who to
believe? Maybe it is best to tune both of them out and stay out of it..
" . . . it is a major foreign policy objective of the Israeli government and its
powerful U.S. lobby."
This was almost too painfully humorous to continue.
why was it painfully humorous, because it's (obviously!) true?
Germany as well as Denmark supported attacking Syria
other than tepid words about Assad being 'held to account', or made to 'atone', when has
Germany ever suggested it would 'green light or 'pull the trigger for an 'attack' on
Syria?
Wonder which Jew wrote this speech for Trump? Gotta get more vomit bags.
President Donald Trump Proclaims May Jewish History Month
May 1, 2018 By JTA
(JTA) -- President Donald Trump proclaimed May Jewish Heritage Month.
In his statement issued by the White House on Monday, Trump said that "Jewish Americans
have helped guide the moral character of our Nation."
President George W. Bush first proclaimed May Jewish Heritage Month in 2006, and it has
been proclaimed annually by the sitting president ever since.
The statement also said: "They have maintained a strong commitment to engage deeply in
American society while also preserving their historic values and traditions. Their passion
for social justice and showing kindness to strangers is rooted in the beliefs that God
created all people in his image and that we all deserve dignity and peace."
He added that: "Through their actions, they have made the world a better place."
Trump also wrote that the "contributions of the Jewish people to American society are
innumerable, strengthening our Nation and making it more prosperous," noting that Jewish
Americans have served in all levels of government and served in the U.S. military, as well as
contributed to the arts and established philanthropic and volunteer networks. He also noted
the Nobel prizes won by Jewish Americans
"Ronen Bergman has written and spoken of Israel's use of assassination "more than any
other nation," to "change history.""
And then the Jews spread the rumors of the existence of a secret cult- that works and has
been working for centuries assassinating dissidents and leaders . They live in Iraq and Iran
They smoke Hashish and they assassinate after being duped by the mixture of the religion and
the smoke.
Big elephant in the room, is Russia's indulgence of Israel,
It may be that Putin's fall back position, in the event that Israel is successful in
dragging the US into Iran, is to let the US further its own demise. He knows the Jews are
destroyers of nations and they will destroy the US eventually.
Iran's clear intent to build nukes, threaten Israel and control militarily and via a
Shite theocracy centered in Teheran, a vast swathe of the Middle East and Western Asia is a
good thing?
Yes! Of course it's a good thing, when you consider the alternative.
Iran didn't attack our Navy ship in a cowardly and treacherous act of war, now did
they?
Iran didn't send its Mossad to film the WTC being attacked with planes full of terrified
American men, women and children, or start dancing in wild celebration when the planes
exploded into the towers, slaughtering all those Americans horrifically. It was Israelis who
did that, knowing those attacks were going to happen, and not warning us Americans, because
they wanted us to get slaughtered, and cheered about it, as the flames were still burning
Americans and people were dropping from the towers to their horrible deaths.
Israel gets billions upon billions of dollars of largess from the American people, and
that's how they repay our generosity, by laughing at our slaughtered citizens?
I honestly don't know of any Iranians who would have laughed at 9/11, even considering all
the evils that the ZUSA has perpetrated on Iran over the decades (always on Israel's behalf
of course)
So yes, absofuckinglutely, I'd prefer Iran to have nukes and hegemony if anyone in the
Middle East is to have them/it. Certainly more so than fanatical, murderous, criminal,
treacherous, cowardly Israel.
Bibi belongs at the end of a rope, not lecturing the rest of the planet on his pretexts
(lies) for more wars.
We have created a world where A and master of A can have 1000 to 100 of nukes, where these
psychopaths can threaten with nuclear bombs but Iran or Syria can't have nukes.
This is accecpted as normal by not only the very psychopaths like Netanyahu or Yalom or B'lom
or S 'lom or Kagan-Kristol- Kushner-Kaplan-Kruthammer but by the folks going around
nonchalantly their daily businesses in local cafe, offices,restaurant,hotel,street
shows,school debates,town hall meetings , water fountain discussions in offices and during
breaks from works.
These same sob also say how Muslim imposed dhimmitudes on the rest of non Muslims and how
they treated their conquered citizen . One of their favorites is this – Church or
Synagogue or teh Temple couldn't be higher than the Mosque in the vicinity. This they use to
justify abominable attitude to Muslims which then transform into pre-conscious hatred and
animosity to the Arabs/Palestine/Iran.
So the US gave Iran $150 billion and $1.5 billion in cash
Typical example of falling for the pundit media.
The US did not GIVE Iran any money.
The money came from Iran's US 'frozen funds' .Obama 'released' their money, it was not US
money.
(Jabotinsky–for those who don't know–was a radical Zionist who fought with the
Irgun terrorist group against the Brits, and it was he who first came up with the 'Greater
Israel' plan that the Netanyahoos have dedicated themselves to ever since.)
Bibi's older brother Yonatan was a commander of an elite IDF commando unit which
successfully staged a raid at Entebbe, Unganda in 1976. Yonatan probably was the
heir-apparent, but alas, he was killed during the raid, so Bibi had to fill in.
Nice try, hasba-rat! Now go peddle your Noam-Chomsky nonsense elsewhere
Can they survive without supporting each and every Jewish agenda? Can they make money
unless they wet their toes in the cesspool operated ,maintained,and enriched by the Jewish
monetary system of control?
Israel Charged With Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines
By Donald Neff
It was 12 years ago, on March 14, 1983, that the commandant of the Marine Corps sent a
highly unusual letter to the secretary of defense expressing frustration and anger at Israel.
General R.H. Barrow charged that Israeli troops were deliberately threatening the lives of
Marines serving as peacekeepers in Lebanon. There was, he wrote, a systematic pattern of
harassment by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that was resulting in "life-threatening situations,
replete with verbal degradation of the officers, their uniform and
country."
[MORE]
Barrow's letter added: "It is inconceivable to me why Americans serving in peacekeeping roles
must be harassed, endangered by an ally It is evident to me, and the opinion of the U.S.
commanders afloat and ashore, that the incidents between the Marines and the IDF are timed,
orchestrated, and executed for obtuse Israeli political purposes."1
Israel's motives were less obtuse than the diplomatic general pretended. It was widely
believed then, and now, that Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, one of Israel's most
Machiavellian politician-generals, was creating the incidents deliberately in an effort to
convince Washington that the two forces had to coordinate their actions in order to avoid
such tensions. This, of course, would have been taken by the Arabs as proof that the Marines
were not really in Lebanon as neutral peacekeepers but as allies of the Israelis, a
perception that would have obvious advantages for Israel.2
Barrow's extraordinary letter was indicative of the frustrations and miseries the Marines
suffered during their posting to Lebanon starting on Aug. 25, 1982, as a result of Israel's
invasion 11 weeks earlier. Initially a U.S. unit of 800 men was sent to Beirut harbor as part
of a multinational force to monitor the evacuation of PLO guerrillas from Beirut.
The Marines, President Reagan announced, "in no case would stay longer than 30 days."3 This
turned out to be only partly true. They did withdraw on Sept. 10, but a reinforced unit of
1,200 was rushed back 15 days later after the massacres at the Palestinian refugee camps at
Sabra and Shatila that accompanied the Israeli seizure of West Beirut. The U.S. forces
remained until Feb. 26, 1984.4
During their-year-and-a-half posting in Lebanon, the Marines suffered 268 killed.5 The
casualties started within a week of the return of the Marines in September 1982. On the 30th,
a U.S.-made cluster bomb left behind by the Israelis exploded, killing Corporal David Reagan
and wounding three other Marines.6
Corporal Reagan's death represented the dangers of the new mission of the Marines in
Lebanon. While their first brief stay had been to separate Israeli forces from Palestinian
fighters evacuating West Beirut, their new mission was as part of a multinational force sent
to prevent Israeli troops from attacking the Palestinian civilians left defenseless there
after the withdrawal of PLO forces. As President Reagan said: "For this multinational force
to succeed, it is essential that Israel withdraw from Beirut."7
"Incidents are timed, orchestrated, and executed for Israeli political
purposes."
Israel's siege of Beirut during the summer of 1982 had been brutal and bloody, reaching a
peak of horror on Aug. 12, quickly known as Black Thursday. On that day, Sharon's forces
launched at dawn a massive artillery barrage that lasted for 11 straight hours and was
accompanied by saturation air bombardment.8 As many as 500 persons, mainly Lebanese and
Palestinian civilians, were killed.9
On top of the bombardment came the massacres the next month at Sabra and Shatila, where
Sharon's troops allowed Lebanese Maronite killers to enter the camps filled with defenseless
civilians. The massacres sickened the international community and pressure from Western
capitals finally forced Israel to withdraw from Beirut in late September. Troops from
Britain, France, Italy and the United States were interposed between the Israeli army and
Beirut, with U.S. Marines deployed in the most sensitive area south of Beirut at the
International Airport, directly between Israeli troops and West Beirut.
It was at the airport that the Marines would suffer their Calvary over the next year.
Starting in January 1983, small Israeli units began probing the Marine lines. At first the
effort appeared aimed at discovering the extent of Marine determination to resist
penetration. The lines proved solid and the Marines' determination strong. Israeli troops
were politely but firmly turned away. Soon the incidents escalated, with both sides pointing
loaded weapons at each other but no firing taking place. Tensions were high enough by late
January that a special meeting between U.S. and Israeli officers was held in Beirut to try to
agree on precise boundaries beyond which the IDF would not penetrate.10
No Stranger to the Marines
However, on Feb. 2 a unit of three Israeli tanks, led by Israeli Lt. Col. Rafi Landsberg,
tried to pass through Marine/Lebanese Army lines at Rayan University Library in south
Lebanon. By this time, Landsberg was no stranger to the Marines. Since the beginning of
January he had been leading small Israeli units in probes against the Marine lines, although
such units would normally have a commander no higher than a sergeant or lieutenant. The
suspicion grew that Sharon's troops were deliberately provoking the Marines and Landsberg was
there to see that things did not get out of hand. The Israeli tactics were aimed more at
forcing a joint U.S.-Israeli strategy than merely probing lines.
In the Feb. 2 incident, the checkpoint was commanded by Marine Capt. Charles Johnson,
who firmly refused permission for Landsberg to advance. When two of the Israeli tanks ignored
his warning to halt, Johnson leaped on Landsberg's tank with pistol drawn and demanded
Landsberg and his tanks withdraw. They did.11
Landsberg and the Israeli embassy in Washington tried to laugh off the incident, implying
that Johnson was a trigger-happy John Wayne type and that the media were exaggerating a
routine event. Landsberg even went so far as to claim that he smelled alcohol on Johnson's
breath and that drunkenness must have clouded his reason. Marines were infuriated because
Johnson was well known as a teetotaler. Americans flocked to Johnson's side. He received
hundreds of letters from school children, former Marines and from Commandant Barrow.12 It was
a losing battle for the Israelis and Landsberg soon dropped from sight.
But the incidents did not stop. These now included "helicopter harassment," by which
U.S.-made helicopters with glaring spotlights were flown by the Israelis over Marine
positions at night, illuminating Marine outposts and exposing them to potential attack. As
reports of these incidents piled up, Gen. Barrow received a letter on March 12 from a U.S.
Army major stationed in Lebanon with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization
(UNTSO). The letter described a systematic pattern of Israeli attacks and provocations
against UNTSO troops, including instances in which U.S. officers were singled out for
"near-miss" shootings, abuse and detention.13 That same day two Marine patrols were
challenged and cursed by Israeli soldiers.1
Two days later Barrow wrote his letter to Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, who
endorsed it and sent it along to the State Department. High-level meetings were arranged and
the incidents abated, perhaps largely because by this time Ariel Sharon had been fired as
defense minister. He had been found by an Israeli commission to have had "personal
responsibility" for the Sabra and Shatila massacres.15
Despite the bad taste left from the clashes with the Israelis, in fact no Marines had been
killed in the incidents and their lines had been secure up to the end of winter in 1983. Then
Islamic guerrillas, backed by Iran, became active. On the night of April 17, 1983, an unknown
sniper fired a shot that went through the trousers of a Marine sentry but did not harm him.
For the first time, the Marines returned fire.16
The next day, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was blown up by a massive bomb, with the loss of
63 lives. Among the 17 Americans killed were CIA Mideast specialists, including Robert C.
Ames, the agency's top Middle East expert.17
Disaffected former Israeli Mossad case officer Victor Ostrovsky later claimed that Israel
had advance information about the bombing plan but had decided not to inform the United
States, a claim denied by Israel.18 The Iranian-backed Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Veteran correspondent John Cooley considered the attack "the day [Iranian leader Ayatollah]
Khomeini's offensive against America in Lebanon began in earnest." 19
Still, it was not until four months later, on Aug. 28, that Marines came under direct fire by
rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons at International Airport. They returned fire
with M-16 rifles and M-60 machine guns. The firefight resumed the next day with Marines
firing 155mm artillery, 81mm mortars and rockets from Cobra helicopter gunships against Shi'i
Muslim positions. Two Marines were killed and 14 wounded in the exchange, the first
casualties in actual combat since the Marines had landed the previous year.20
From this time on, the combat involvement of the Marines grew. Their actions were
generally seen as siding with Israel against Muslims, slowly changing the status of the
Marines as neutral peacekeepers to opponents of the Muslims.21 Israel could hardly have
wished for more. The polarization meant that increasingly the conflict was being perceived in
terms of the U.S., Israel and Lebanon's Christians against Iran, Islam and Lebanon's Shi'i
Muslims.
Accelerating the Conflict
Israel accelerated the building conflict on Sept. 3, 1993 by unilaterally withdrawing
its troops southward, leaving the Marines exposed behind their thin lines at the airport. The
United States had asked the Israeli government to delay its withdrawal until the Marines
could be replaced by units of the Lebanese army, but Israel refused.22 The result was as
feared. Heavy fighting immediately broke out between the Christian Lebanese Forces and the
pro-Syrian Druze units, both seeking to occupy positions evacuated by Israel, while the
Marines were left in the crossfire. 23On Sept. 5, two Marines were killed and three wounded
as fighting escalated between Christian and Muslim militias.24
In an ill-considered effort to subdue the combat, the Sixth Fleet frigate Bowen fired several
five-inch naval guns, hitting Druze artillery positions in the Chouf Mountains that were
firing into the Marine compound at Beirut airport.25 It was the first time U.S. ships had
fired into Lebanon, dramatically raising the level of combat. But the Marines' exposed
location on the flat terrain of the airport left them in an impossible position. On Sept. 12,
three more Marines were wounded. 26
On Sept. 13, President Reagan authorized what was called aggressive self-defense for the
Marines, including air and naval strikes.27 Five days later the United States essentially
joined the war against the Muslims when four U.S. warships unleashed the heaviest naval
bombardment since Vietnam into Syrian and Druze positions in eastern Lebanon in support of
the Lebanese Christians.28 The bombardment lasted for three days and was personally ordered
by National Security Council director Robert McFarlane, a Marine Corps officer detailed to
the White House who was in Lebanon at the time and was also a strong supporter of Israel and
its Lebanese Maronite Christian allies. McFarlane issued the order despite the fact that the
Marine commander at the airport, Colonel Timothy Geraghty, strenuously argued against it
because, in the words of correspondent Thomas L. Friedman, "he knew that it would make his
soldiers party to what was now clearly an intra-Lebanese fight, and that the Lebanese Muslims
would not retaliate against the Navy's ships at sea but against the Marines on shore." 29
By now, the Marines were under daily attack and Muslims were charging they were no longer
neutral.30 At the same time the battleship USS New Jersey, with 16-inch guns, arrived off
Lebanon, increasing the number of U.S. warships offshore to 14. Similarly, the Marine
contingent at Beirut airport was increased from 1,200 to 1,600.31
A Tragic Climax
The fight now was truly joined between the Shi'i Muslims and the Marines, who were
essentially pinned down in their airport bunkers and under orders not to take offensive
actions. The tragic climax of their predicament came on Oct. 23, when a Muslim guerrilla
drove a truck past guards at the Marine airport compound and detonated an explosive with the
force of 12,000 pounds of dynamite under a building housing Marines and other U.S. personnel.
Almost simultaneously, a car-bomb exploded at the French compound in Beirut. Casualties were
241 Americans and 58 French troops killed. The bombings were the work of Hezbollah, made up
of Shi'i Muslim guerrillas supported by Iran.32
America's agony increased on Dec. 3, when two carrier planes were downed by Syrian missiles
during heavy U.S. air raids on eastern Lebanon.33On the same day, eight Marines were killed
in fighting with Muslim militiamen around the Beirut airport.34
By the start of 1984, an all-out Shi'i Muslim campaign to rid Lebanon of all Americans was
underway. The highly respected president of the American University of Beirut, Dr. Malcolm
Kerr, a distinguished scholar of the Arab world, was gunned down on Jan. 18 outside his
office by Islamic militants aligned with Iran.35
On Feb. 5, Reagan made one of his stand-tall speeches by saying that "the situation in
Lebanon is difficult, frustrating and dangerous. But this is no reason to turn our backs on
friends and to cut and run."36
The next day Professor Frank Regier, a U.S. citizen teaching at AUB, was kidnapped by Muslim
radicals.37 Regier's kidnapping was the beginning of a series of kidnappings of Americans in
Beirut that would hound the Reagan and later the Bush administrations for years and lead to
the eventual expulsion of nearly all Americans from Lebanon where they had prospered for more
than a century. Even today Americans still are prohibited from traveling to Lebanon.
The day after Regier's kidnapping, on Feb. 7, 1984, Reagan suddenly reversed himself and
announced that all U.S. Marines would shortly be "redeployed." The next day the battleship
USS New Jersey fired 290 rounds of one-ton shells from its 16-inch guns into Lebanon as a
final act of U.S. frustration.38 Reagan's "redeployment" was completed by Feb. 26, when the
last of the Marines retreated from Lebanon.
The mission of the Marines had been a humiliating failure -- not because they failed in their
duty but because the political backbone in Washington was lacking. The Marines had arrived in
1982 with all sides welcoming them. They left in 1984 despised by many and the object of
attacks by Muslims. Even relations with Israel were strained, if not in Washington where a
sympathetic Congress granted increased aid to the Jewish state to compensate it for the costs
of its bungled invasion, then between the Marines and Israeli troops who had confronted each
other in a realpolitik battlefield that was beyond their competence or understanding. The
Marine experience in Lebanon did not contribute toward a favorable impression of Israel among
many Americans, especially since the Marines would not have been in Lebanon except for
Israel's unprovoked invasion.
This negative result is perhaps one reason a number of Israelis and their supporters today
oppose sending U.S. peacekeepers to the Golan Heights as part of a possible Israeli-Syrian
peace treaty. A repeat of the 1982-84 experience would certainly not be in Israel's interests
at a time when its supporters are seeking to have a budget-conscious Congress continue
unprecedented amounts of aid to Israel.
1. I thought it was a great line -- a funny turn of phrase.
2. You might want to keep my comments in the context they are delivered.
3. Removing the comments from their context and asking what they mean -- doesn't make any
sense to me. My comments are about the issue of whether the Europeans would be on board
breaking the agreement. I have been one who contended that would not be inclined to forego
the financial loss. But when France, Germany, Denmark, and Great Britain joined or supported
the faux chem use response. It suggested that the quid pro quo was in and supports Dr.
Giraldi's position that the Europeans are not as tied to the financial gains as I might
think.
4. Caveat: Pres Macron's press here suggests they may not have to choose. Which bolsters
the position that the money matters. time will tell.
Your comments about atonement and what not are in some other field and as far as I can
tell well off the mark. .
Oh, here we go again.. the old CIA did it meme the jooos are innocent, innocent I tell
you!
I've heard them all ..the US uses Israel to 'colonize' Palestine, the Israel Palestine
fight is the evil white man's fault for holocausting the jews, the US uses Israel to 'expand
its empire', the WASP are controlling the Jews ad nausea.
Re: Strike on Hama & Alleppo:
There is unsubstantiated report that Israeli F-15 flying over Jordan via Eastern route whilst
blending in with US coalition forces:
Here's how #Israel attacked
#Syria on
29/4/2018 using the Coalition fly zones against the #SAA
Israel after many attempts to penetrate the Syrian airspace from the west, they're now
using the east, which is poorly covered by radars, where they can blend within the
Coalition jets pic.twitter.com/hKr5IEZaj6
Just when I thought it was safe to turn on the radio . there was Danielle Pletka. (Today's
"Washington Journal" on CSPAN.) Didn't you post some background on her, or was it someone
else? (I'm just hoping there's an antidote )
A judge in the US has issued a default judgement requiring Iran to pay more than $6bn to
victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks that killed almost 3,000 people, court filings
show.
Monday's ruling in the case – Thomas Burnett, Sr et al v. The Islamic Republic of Iran
et al – finds "the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, and
The Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran" liable for the deaths of more than 1,000
people as a result of the September 11 attacks, Judge George B Daniels of the Southern
District Court of New York wrot
Iran is ordered to pay "$12,500,000 per spouse, $8,500,000 per parent, $8,500,000 per child,
and $4,250,000 per sibling" to the families and estates of the deceased, court filings say.
How does the anti Iran narrative work? Each and every lever has been joined just like it
would be in a jungle by the poachers and in a Chicago street by the Latino gangs . Then they
call it a democracy with rule of law reigning supreme .
Saturday's White House Correspondents' Association dinner, billed as a celebration of the
First Amendment and a tribute to journalists who "speak truth to power," has to be the worst
advertisement in memory for our national press corps.
Comedian Michelle Wolf, the guest speaker, recited one filthy joke after another at the
expense of President Trump and his people, using words that would have gotten her kicked out of
school not so long ago.
Media critic Howard Kurtz said he had "never seen a performance like that," adding that Wolf
"was not only nasty but dropping F-bombs on live television." Some of her stuff was grungier
than that.
The anti-Trump media at the black-tie dinner laughed and whooped it up, and occasionally
"oohed" as Wolf went too far even for them, lending confirmation to Trump's depiction of who
and what they are.
While the journalistic elite at the black-tie dinner was reveling in the raw sewage served
up by Wolf, Trump had just wrapped up a rally in Michigan.
The contrast between the two assemblies could not have been more stark. We are truly two
Americas now.
"Why would I want to be stuck in a room with a bunch of fake-news liberals who hate me?"
said Trump in an email to supporters, adding that he would much rather "spend the evening with
my favorite deplorables who love our movement and love America."
"... Demonization of North Korea was the first victim of the summit: the South Koreans saw that the much besmirched Kim was quite a worldly guy, even with a very slight trace of Swiss German in his speech. Women's diplomacy also played a role: Kim's sister, Kim Yo Jong, made the first contact with the President of the South during her visit to the Olympics. Kim's wife, a well-known actress, became friends with Moon's wife. This North Korean ruler is a regular guy, they say today in Seoul. ..."
"... But a sharp-sighted observer of The Guardian had noticed that it won't be easy for Trump to do his usual bellicose sabre-rattling after the peaceful meeting of the two Korean leaders. He has been trapped. "If Trump tries to play hardball with Kim, he risks looking like a warmonger and a bully whose policies are inimical to Korean interests, north and south. Intentionally of otherwise, Moon, a lifelong advocate of detente with personal connections to North Korea, has spiked Trump's guns." ..."
"... Actually, there is not much of reason for the Trump-Kim summit. Trump can take his troops home, and let the Koreans to settle their relations as they find fit. If the Russians and the Chinese did it, so can the Americans, too. The world, including Korea, is fully grown up and it can live without American tutelage. ..."
"... There was an agreement for the nuclear disarmament of North Korea, and the US reneged on it all right. There is an agreement for the denuclearisation of Iran, and now the US President intends to renege on it, too. ..."
"... However, if the US withdraws its troops and agrees to denuclearisation of the peninsula, and if this withdrawal will be "complete, verifiable and irreversible", there is a room for some play. North Korea would like to be treated as a responsible member of the nuclear club, on a par with England and France; it may cease nuclear tests and allow observers or suchlike. ..."
There is no doubt that the people of Korea, of the North and the South, want peaceful
reunification and the prosperity of their country. But so far the US has prevented it. The US
deep state preferred to have its military bases in South Korea with its nuclear weapons aimed
not only at Pyongyang, but also at Beijing and Vladivostok. Last year, the US brought in its
THAAD missile defence system to South Korea, directly threatening the North, Russia, and
China.
The Americans outlined the goal of the talks as they see it – the nuclear disarmament
of North Korea. This is all that interests them. A North Korea without nuclear weapons is
always vulnerable to a volley of Tomahawks, as in Syria. But Kim is not that simple. Instead of
"nuclear disarmament of North Korea," he proposed "the liberation of the Korean peninsula from
nuclear weapons" – and, importantly, these words were repeated by the president of the
South.
The liberation of the peninsula from nuclear weapons means, first of all, the removal of
American bases and occupation forces, and the banning of American ships capable of carrying
nuclear weapons from entering Korean ports. And then, without the invaders being present, the
two independent Koreas will agree on their own terms. This, roughly, is the logic of Kim
– and Moon accepted it, uttering the cherished words "the liberation of the peninsula"
instead of "the elimination of the North Korean nuclear program."
Russia as an original member of the nuclear club has traditionally supported the idea of
nuclear disarmament of all non-member countries. But it does not actively insist
on it, if only because India, Pakistan and Israel are among the new nuclear powers, and the
last not only did not sign the non-proliferation treaty, but also does not agree with any
control over its nuclear weaponry. Under these conditions, it makes no sense to insist on the
nuclear disarmament of North Korea. But, let us repeat, Russia is for disarmament. If this
disarmament brings about the elimination of US bases in South Korea, this can only be
welcomed.
The summit in the DMZ (demilitarized zone) has already had an effect. We have no doubt that
the North is short of freedom, but in the South, there is certainly freedom of speech, isn't
there?
It turned out that in South Korea until this very day no one had seen or heard Kim, the
North Korean president, on a video or in live broadcast. The Independent , a British
quality newspaper,
reported :
Until the meeting, many South Koreans had never actually heard Kim Jong-un speak. The
leader is usually seen only in heavily edited footage, and accessing more videos of him can
land people in jail. "I can't believe I'm listening to the voice of Kim Jong Un. Someone I
have only seen as a jpeg is speaking now," South Korean Lee Yeon-su wrote on Twitter. It is a
dramatic change for South Koreans, who under the National Security Act are banned on threat
of jail from accessing media considered pro-North Korean.
Internet resources "sympathetic to North Korea" or, worse, praising North Korea, are banned
there; and accessing such sites, or listening to Pyongyang Radio can send a South Korean to
prison for several years. A good word about the northern neighbour can earn you a long stretch
in jail under the Law on Combating Terrorism.(The law also provides for the death penalty, but
it has not been used for the last ten years.) Anti-communist propaganda in the South is part of
the school curriculum, part of the news program, part of everyday life.
After the summit, the surprised South Koreans wrote in their social media that the bloody
tyrant from the North looked like a teddy bear, small, plump and cute.
And he speaks the same language as they do. And he eats buckwheat noodles, which they
love.
ORDER IT NOW
Demonization of North Korea was the first victim of the summit: the South Koreans saw
that the much besmirched Kim was quite a worldly guy, even with a very slight trace of Swiss
German in his speech. Women's diplomacy also played a role: Kim's sister, Kim Yo Jong, made the
first contact with the President of the South during her visit to the Olympics. Kim's wife, a
well-known actress, became friends with Moon's wife. This North Korean ruler is a regular guy,
they say today in Seoul.
At the NATO headquarters there was a lot of teeth gnashing and demands not to relax the
sanctions, or rather to add some more sanctions. The Western mainstream media keeps saying that
this summit had been just a preparation for the real main thing, for the meeting of Kim and
Trump. But a sharp-sighted observer of The
Guardian had noticed that it won't be easy for Trump to do his usual bellicose
sabre-rattling after the peaceful meeting of the two Korean leaders. He has been trapped. "If
Trump tries to play hardball with Kim, he risks looking like a warmonger and a bully whose
policies are inimical to Korean interests, north and south. Intentionally of otherwise, Moon, a
lifelong advocate of detente with personal connections to North Korea, has spiked Trump's
guns."
Actually, there is not much of reason for the Trump-Kim summit. Trump can take his
troops home, and let the Koreans to settle their relations as they find fit. If the Russians
and the Chinese did it, so can the Americans, too. The world, including Korea, is fully grown
up and it can live without American tutelage.
It won't be easy sailing. The US wants to keep its fingers in, and demands "complete,
verifiable and irreversible" disarmament of North Korea. But Kim knows what had happened to
countries and leaders that trusted the US promises and disarmed. Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein
disarmed, and were brutally killed. Russia disarmed in 1991 only to find itself being treated
as irrelevant. The US walked out of treaties made in the Soviet days without as much as "by
your leave". Non-nuclear North Korea would already be bombed, as it was in 1950-1953. Nothing
indicates that Kim is a suicidal maniac or a new Gorbachev.
There was an agreement for the nuclear disarmament of North Korea, and the US reneged on
it all right. There is an agreement for the denuclearisation of Iran, and now the US President
intends to renege on it, too.
However, if the US withdraws its troops and agrees to denuclearisation of the peninsula,
and if this withdrawal will be "complete, verifiable and irreversible", there is a room for
some play. North Korea would like to be treated as a responsible member of the nuclear club, on
a par with England and France; it may cease nuclear tests and allow observers or
suchlike.
Israel, this important power behind the Capitol Hill, bears a strong animosity against North
Korea, for North Korea has been instrumental in providing missile technology to the Axis of
Resistance.
The Russians are not going to great lengths for the sake of North Korea. The relations
between two neighbours are cool, mutual trade is small. Russia will probably follow China's
line regarding Korea. The Chinese would like to see a more obedient North Korea, but they are
used to fierce Korean independence by now. They apparently agreed to Kim's steps during recent
Kim's meeting with President Xi.
In such a happy, happy day for Korea, I do not want to think about possible complications.
For the first time in years, light has appeared in the gloomy skies of Korea, divided in 1945,
and never reunited, unlike Vietnam and Germany. Maybe now it's Korea's turn?
"... Those who argue that the withdrawal of the U.S. from JCPOA will be countered by the continued cooperation of the other signatories to the agreement are, one might unfortunately note, somewhat delusional. The U.S. has tremendous leverage in financial markets. ..."
"... The United States could force the entire JCPOA quid pro quo agreement to collapse, and that might be precisely what the White House intends to do. ..."
"... Add into the equation the clearly expressed and oft-times repeated Israeli intention to begin a war with Iran, starting in Syria, sooner rather than later, a disaster for American foreign policy is developing that might well make Iraq and Afghanistan look like cake walks. Iran will surely strike back in response either to the termination of the JCPOA or to Israeli bombing of its militiamen and surrogates in Syria. ..."
"... Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is ..."
The analysis of the recent exchanges
between French President Emmanuel Macron and President Donald Trump suggest that Washington is most likely
about to withdraw from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) nuclear agreement with Iran that was
signed by the U.S. and five other governments in July 2015. The decision will likely be made public before
the deadline on re-ratifying the agreement, which is May 12
th
. As one informed observer
has noted
, "a train wreck is probably coming, with very damaging consequences that are hard to predict."
Macron was polite, both in his meeting
with Trump and during his speech before Congress, not hammering on the unimaginable awfulness of the White
House decision while also offering an alternative, i.e. cooperation with the United States to improve the
nuclear agreement while also supporting the principle that it is worth saving. Whether that subtle nudge,
coupled with a pledge that Iran will never get a nuclear weapon, will be enough to change minds either in
Congress or the White House is questionable as the unfortunate truth is that going to war with Iran is
popular among the policy makers and media for the usual reason: it is a major foreign policy objective of
the Israeli government and its powerful U.S. lobby.
Iran has been vilified for decades in the
American media and it rarely gets a fair hearing anywhere, even when its behavior has not been particularly
objectionable. Currently, it is regularly demonized by the Israelis and their supporters over its apparent
plan to create an arc of Shi'a states extending through Iraq and Syria to Lebanon, a so-called "land bridge"
to the Mediterranean Sea. What that would accomplish exactly has never really been made clear and it assumes
that the Syrians and Iraqis would happily surrender their sovereignty to further the project.
The Iranians for their part have made it
clear that no modification of the agreement is possible. They note, correctly, that the JCPOA was not a
bilateral commitment made between Tehran and Washington. It also included as signatories Russia, China,
France, Britain and the European Union and was ratified by the United Nations (P5+1). They and others also
have noted that U.S. exit from the agreement will mean that other nations will negotiate with Washington
with the understanding that a legal commitment entered into by the President of the United States cannot be
trusted after he is out of office.
Under the JCPOA, Iran agreed to
eliminate its stockpile of medium-enriched uranium, cut its stockpile of low-enriched uranium by 98%, and
reduce by two-thirds the number of its gas centrifuges for 13 years. For the next 15 years, Iran will only
enrich uranium up to non-weapons level of 3.67%. Iran also pledged not to build any new heavy-water
facilities and to limit uranium-enrichment activities for research and medical purposes to a plant using old
technology centrifuges for a period of 10 years. To guarantee compliance with the agreement, Iran accepted
the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) proposal that it have highly intrusive access by a team of
unannounced inspectors of all the country's nuclear facilities. In return, Iran was to receive relief from
U.S., European Union, and United Nations Security Council sanctions, an aspect of the agreement that the
United States has never fully complied with.
Trump's objection to the agreement is
that it is a "bad deal" that virtually guarantees that Iran will have a nuclear weapon somewhere down the
road. There is, however, no factual basis for that claim and that it is being made at all is largely
reflective of Israeli and Israel Lobby propaganda. It is, on the contrary, an American interest not to have
another nuclear proliferator in the Middle East in addition to Israel, which Washington has never dared to
confront on the issue. The JCPOA agreement guarantees that Iran will not work to develop a weapon for at
least ten years which is a considerable benefit considering that Tehran, if it had chosen to initiate such a
program, could easily have had breakout capability in one year.
The U.S. and Israel are also expressing
concern about Iranian ballistic missile capability. Again, ballistic missiles would appear to be a weapon
that Israel alone seeks to monopolize in its neighborhood because it seeks to regard itself as uniquely
threatened, that is, always the victim. It is an argument that sells well in the U.S. Congress and in the
media, which has apparently also obtained traction in the White House. It is nevertheless a fake argument
contrived by the Israelis. The missiles under development do not in any way threaten the United States and
they were not in any event part of the agreement and should not be considered a deal breaker.
Ironically, the JCPOA is approved of by
most Americans because it prevents the development of yet another potentially hostile nuclear armed power in
a volatile part of the world. American Jews, in fact, support it more than other Americans, according to
opinion polls. Even the generals in the Pentagon favor continuing it as do U.S. close allies Germany, France
and Britain. The ability of Israel and its Lobby to dominate U.S. foreign policy formulation in certain
areas is thereby exposed for what it is: sheer manipulation of our system of government by a small group
dedicated to the interests of a foreign government using money and the political access that money buys to
achieve that objective.
Those who argue that the withdrawal
of the U.S. from JCPOA will be countered by the continued cooperation of the other signatories to the
agreement are, one might unfortunately note, somewhat delusional. The U.S. has tremendous leverage in
financial markets.
If it chooses to sanction Iran over its missiles while also re-introducing the old
sanctions relating to the nuclear developments, it would be a brave European or Asian banker who would risk
being blocked out of the American market by lending money or selling certain prohibited goods to the
Iranians.
The United States could force the entire JCPOA quid pro quo agreement to collapse, and
that might be precisely what the White House intends to do.
Add into the equation the clearly
expressed and oft-times repeated
Israeli intention
to begin a war with Iran, starting in Syria, sooner rather than later, a disaster for
American foreign policy is developing that might well make Iraq and Afghanistan look like cake walks. Iran
will surely strike back in response either to the termination of the JCPOA or to Israeli bombing of its
militiamen and surrogates in Syria.
America forces in the region will surely be sucked into the
conflict by Israel and will wind up taking the fall. Someone should tell Donald Trump that there are real
world consequences for breaking agreements and rattling sabers. But who will tell him? Will it be John
Bolton or Nikki Haley or Mike Pompeo? I doubt it.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is
Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation
that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is
www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is
[email protected].
I am beginning to think the astonishing real capitulation of South Korean Government to North Korea demands
and Trump's acquiescence in this is a prelude to the war on Iran. Now Netanyahu has announced the casus
belli. Israel plots its wars and never fights a war on two fronts. hope I am wrong.
"... Today, Theresa May is claiming -astonishingly – that the UK attack on Syria is "to deter chemical weapons attacks in Syria and the UK". I don't think the motive for a Skripal false flag could be more starkly demonstrated. ..."
"... It is also worth noting that the most ardent supporters of this military action, outside Saudi Arabia and Israel, are the Blairites in the UK and the Clinton Democrats in the USA. The self-described "centrists" are actually the unhinged extremists in today's politics. ..."
"... This attack on Syria is, beyond doubt, a huge success for the machinations of Mohammed Bin Salman. Please do read my post of 8 March which sets out the background to his agenda, and I believe is essential to why we find our nations in military action again today. Despite the fact the vast majority of the people do not want this ..."
March 4 2018 Sergei and Yulia Skripal are attacked with a nerve agent in Salisbury
March 6 2018 Boris Johnson
blames Russia and calls Russia "a malign force"
March 7 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives in
London for an official visit
March 13 2018 Valeri Gerasimov, Russian Chief of General Staff,
states that Russia has intelligence a fake chemical attack is planned against civilians
in Syria as a pretext for US bombing of Damascus, and that Russia will respond
militarily.
March 19 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives
in Washington for an official visit
April 8 2018 Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia arrives
in Paris for an official visit
April 8 2018 Saudi funded jihadist groups Jaysh
al Islam and Tahrir al-Sham and UK funded
jihadist "rescue group" The White Helmets claim a chemical weapons attack occurred in
their enclave of Douma the previous day – just before its agreed handover to the Syrian
army – and blame the Syrian government.
April 11 2018 Saudi Arabia pledges
support for attack on Syria
April 14 2018 US/UK/French attack on Syria begins.
I have always denied the UK's claim that only Russia had a motive to attack the Skripals. To
denigrate Russia internationally by a false flag attack pinning the blame on Russia, always
seemed to me more likely than for the Russians to do that to themselves. And from the start I
pointed to the conflict in Syria as a likely motive. That puts Saudi Arabia (and its client
jihadists), Saudi Arabia's close ally Israel, the UK and the USA all in the frame in having a
powerful motive in inculcating anti-Russian sentiment prior to planned conflict with Russia in
Syria. Any of them could have attacked the Skripals.
Today, Theresa May
is claiming -astonishingly – that the UK attack on Syria is "to deter chemical
weapons attacks in Syria and the UK". I don't think the motive for a Skripal false flag could
be more starkly demonstrated.
We do not yet know how many children and other civilians have died so far in what the media
always pretend are magically "pinpoint" attacks on Syria. Denying the "collateral damage" is
part of the neo-con playbook. The danger is that they will not stop but continue to push,
testing how far they can go in weakening Syrian government forces to promote their jihadist
allies on the ground, before they spark a real Russian reaction. That way madness lies.
It is also worth noting that the most ardent supporters of this military action, outside
Saudi Arabia and Israel, are the Blairites in the UK and the Clinton Democrats in the USA. The
self-described "centrists" are actually the unhinged extremists in today's politics.
This attack on Syria is, beyond doubt, a huge success for the machinations of Mohammed
Bin Salman. Please do read my post of 8 March which sets
out the background to his agenda, and I believe is essential to why we find our nations in
military action again today. Despite the fact the vast majority of the people do not want
this
"... Mr Rouhani said in a live broadcast on state television that: "I am telling those in the White House that if they do not live up to their commitments, the Iranian government will firmly react." ..."
"... The Iranian leader did not say what this reaction would be, but the Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said at the weekend that it was "highly unlikely" that Iran would remain in the agreement – to which Russia, China, France, Germany and Britain are also signatories – if the US pulled out. ..."
The White House sounds as if it has already decided to exit the agreement, which Mr Trump
persistently denounced before and after his election as "the worst deal in the world".
But he has put forward no alternative to what was successfully negotiated by President
Barack Obama in 2015 other than a series of demands with which Iran is unlikely to comply, and
appear designed to put the blame for the US action on Iran.
US officials admit that Iran has so far abided by the terms of the 2015 accord.
A more openly confrontational posture by the US towards Iran would achieve very little,
unless Washington replaces the attempt to achieve its ends by diplomacy with sustained military
action. Iran is already on the winning side in the wars that have raged in Iraq since 2003 and
in Syria since 2011.
It is closely allied to the Iraqi and Syrian governments and to reverse the balance of power
in the region, the US would have revert to sustained military intervention on the scale of the
Iraq War, something Mr Trump has always opposed.
Iran may have already decided that the deal cannot be saved. Iranian president Hassan
Rouhani warned Mr Trump on Tuesday that the US must stay within its terms which Tehran signed
with other great powers or face "severe consequences".
Mr Rouhani said in a live broadcast on state television that: "I am telling those in the
White House that if they do not live up to their commitments, the Iranian government will
firmly react."
The Iranian leader did not say what this reaction would be, but the Iranian foreign
minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said at the weekend that it was "highly unlikely" that Iran would
remain in the agreement – to which Russia, China, France, Germany and Britain are also
signatories – if the US pulled out.
He added that Iran might immediately begin enriching uranium, but it would not develop a
nuclear device.
European leaders are trying to save the deal which Mr Trump has denounced as full of
"terrible flaws", but this will prove difficult without radical concessions which Iran has
rejected. These include stopping Iran's ballistic missile programme, extending the terminal
date of the agreement, and more intrusive inspections by nuclear inspectors.
ORDER IT NOW
No decision in Washington is final until it is announced by Mr Trump himself – and
often not even then – but the promotion of officials with a record of hostility to the
agreement suggests that it cannot be rescued. Mr Trump has said publicly that he sacked his
secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, because he wanted to stay with the Iran agreement negotiated
by President Obama.
His replacement, Mike Pompeo, is a long-term foe of the accord, once claiming that 2,000
bombing sorties would be enough to eliminate Iran's nuclear capability. "This is not an
insurmountable task for the coalition forces," he said.
President Emanuel Macron is in Washington on a state visit, trying to save the agreement by
making it more palatable to the White House. He will be followed in the US at the end of the
week by the German chancellor Angela Merkel, while Theresa May will probably express her views
by telephone.
All three leaders will try to reconcile Mr Trump to not leaving the accord and their
arguments will revolve around supplementary sanctions and other measures targeting the Iranian
ballistic missile programme and Iran's allies abroad such as Hezbollah in Lebanon.
The European leaders' mission may not be entirely hopeless: in confrontations over Syria and
North Korea, Mr Trump's belligerent rhetoric has been followed by more carefully calculated
action.
His opening stance is normally bombastic and uncompromising in order to intimidate the other
side into making concessions. It does not necessarily have to be taken at face value. But this
periodic moderation may not come into play in the case of Iran, towards which he has been
uncompromisingly hostile, claiming that it is the hidden power behind "terrorist" activity in
the Middle East.
The White House is in a position to hurt Iran economically by re-imposing economic
sanctions, not that these were ever really lifted after 2015, but US political options are more
limited. It may talk about regime change in Tehran, but is not in a position to do much about
it.
There is a further US weakness: the US, often prompted by Israel, and Saudi Arabia, has a
track record of underestimating the extent to which Iran, as the largest Shia Muslim power,
plays a leading role in a coalition of states – Iraq, Syria and Lebanon – because
of the predominant influence of the Shia in these countries. It is very difficult to defeat
Iran there – the northern tier of the Middle East – but it is in this region that
the US has chosen over the years to try to roll back Iranian influence.
The balance of power between Iran and its enemies is going to be difficult to shift whatever
Mr Trump decides about the fate of the Iran nuclear deal.
The White House is in a position to hurt Iran economically by re-imposing economic
sanctions, not that these were ever really lifted after 2015
The White house is only in a position to hurt Iran to the extent that the subordinate
countries of the US sphere are willing to continue to roll over and allow the US to bully and
manipulate them, and their companies, into compliance with unilateral US sanctions targeting
Iran. As such, this will represent another opportunity for the countries of the US sphere to
break away somewhat from their subservience to Washington, and from the insidious
manipulation by the Israel lobbies that tirelessly influence their own governments towards
confrontation with Iran.
Whether the poodle governments are willing or able to take such a step towards standing on
their national hind legs again, remains to be seen.
The balance of power between Iran and its enemies is going to be difficult to shift
whatever Mr Trump decides about the fate of the Iran nuclear deal.
Though why it would be in Britain's, or any European country's, or even the US's interests
to reduce Iranian weight in the region is far from clear. Iran has long been the better side
in the ME, as compared with the Gulf sunni despots or the Israeli thugs.
It can prove a slippery slope for Iran to renegotiate the deal. Next president might have 2
incentives to double down on Iran and ask for more concessions including dismantling of army,
navy,demobilization of Hizbollah, transfer of the bases/territories in Iraq /Lebanon/Syria to
US or UK or Israel. It can ask for Iranian oil's ownership -sales and acceptance of 3 rd junk
American arms. This attitude will endear the president to warmongering FOX CNN WSJ MSNBC and
also to other .
Withdrawing from the deal will impact negatively the negotiations with North Korea. Trump is
stuck between his bombasting declarations against Iran and his desire of solving the nuclear
issue with North Korea
My opinion is that Trump for now can only make dramatic threats to Iran and remain in the
deal.
Withdrawing from the deal will impact negatively the negotiations with North Korea.
Maybe, but maybe not. My impression is that NK involvement in these talks is probably
driven by Chinese pressure – specifically the Chinese adherence to the latest rounds of
draconian UN sanctions. In that case, it seems unlikely new evidence of US untrustworthiness
will change anything, given the wider US track record in Libya and elsewhere. It's hardly as
though the NKs aren't fully aware of US perfidy and military aggression, after all.
Mr Cockburn starts off with major, although common, error, which is that there is a conflict
between
the U.S. and Iran. That simply is not true.
First, the U.S. has no Iranian policy. What it does have is an Israeli plan, pushed by
traitors such as John Bolton and fools like Lindsey Graham, and hundreds for extremely
dedicated Israeli supporters throughout our government.
Second, the U.S. congress is a joke. Most of the world laughs at the foolishness and
corruption and cowardice of our "Parliment of Fowles," or congress of whores, bought and sold
by hundreds of lobbyists with cash to make their arguments cogent.
The U.S. is crippled by a flawed system and will eventually go the way of all flesh.
in confrontations over Syria and North Korea, Mr Trump's belligerent rhetoric has been
followed by more carefully calculated action.
Carefully calculated to. . . increase the war effort, including greatly increased aerial
bombing of Afghanistan, that poor tribal country on the other side of the planet, and a
reversal of a Syria pull-out coupled with senseless missile attacks.
And Iran is in a higher category, the arch-enemy of Israel (and thus the US) and Iran's
support of "terrorist" (Hezbollah) activity in the Middle East which is why the US has had a
consistent (excepting the puppet Shah) anti-Iran policy for fifty years. Why change it?
Especially now when Iran is a big winner in Syria and Israel is a big loser (along with the
US).
I did not vote for Trump to make Israel great but to make America great. He is betraying a
large segment of his base. His options are very limited. Contrary to what Pompeo says, his
military options, if exercised, would lead to America losing at least half its planes and
half its ships. The American military know this and as a result are opposed to any military
attack. They would do everything they could to prevent such an attack. After their very poor
performance regarding the missile attack on Syria they would be even more adamantly opposed.
Trump really has no alternative to the current agreement. If he is stupid enough to break
this agreement, how can he expect the North Koreans to take him at his word.
Iran does not need the so-called "West". She can get everything she needs from Russia and
China.
So, Pompeo thinks 2000 airstrikes will solve the problem? I regularly read about US fighter
aircraft falling out of the sky or being out of service for maintenance issues. Time for
China to invade Taiwan? Or Russia to settle Ukraine permanently?
And does Hezbollah just idly stand by, holding 1000′s of missiles against Israel?
What does Iraq (mostly Shia) do? Allow their nation to be used for bombing? Or bases?
And the Gulf? Can the global economy survive $100 a barrel oil? Can the US afford total
control and sweeping of this huge waterway?
The big question now is, do the EU poodles show some courage?
All of which lead me to believe that China has guaranteed that it will intervene in full
force, should outside forces launch an attack on North Korea. And that North Korea believes
them – after all, exactly that scenario played out in 1950.
This, along with Chinese economic pressure, has pushed the North Koreans to agree to
de-nuclearization talks.
CitizenOne April 23, 2018 at 11:23 pm I dug this up based on the article which is pertinent.
It is the basis for propaganda in WWI:
We do not want war.
The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
The enemy is the face of the devil.
We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
Our cause is sacred.
All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.
So let's translate this into modern language.
We do not want war. Translation: "We want War"
The opposite party alone is guilty of war. Translation: We are guilty of Preemptive War"
The enemy is the face of the devil. Translation: "We demonize the enemy as the Devil. The
enemy is the Devil (Putin)"
We defend a noble cause, not our own interest. Translation: "We are in it purely for our
self interest. Oil, Gas, Mineral resources, Mining, Banking etc. We are in it for our own
interest"
The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary. Translation: "Our
actions are our own of our own volition. We create and hide atrocities and cruelties by us and
exemplify and magnify cruelties by our enemy"
The enemy uses forbidden weapons. Translation: We can attack our enemies at will because
they have weapons of mass dwstruction"
We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous. Translation: "Our weapons are
superior"
Artists and intellectuals back our cause. Translation: "The Liberals back our cause for
War"
Our cause is sacred. Translation: "The Conservatives back our cause for War"
All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors. Translation: "Everyone who doubts the main
stream propaganda is a Traitor"
Donald Trump beware, there is a band of oligarchs waiting to pin you as a Traitor for
doubting the propaganda.
I say keep on keeping on with your attacks on the intelligence agencies who have signed onto
and have in fact created all of the fake news against our newly appointed enemy in Russia that
seeks to create a new yet old enemy by resurrecting the old Cold War and turn it into a new
Cold war. They should be shuttered and discredited for their lies which have seduced the
Congress on both sides of the aisle to sanction Russia and enact laws preventing the President
from refusing the compulsions of the Congress to engage in acts of war with an unproven enemy.
Perhaps there is a Russian Bear like the one predicted by Reagan with his "Bear in the Woods"
campaign created by the Reagan conservatives.
"... The entire Liberal narratives around Vladimir Putin and Alexander Dugin are actually political reconstructions of the "Yellow Peril" stereotype of the evil Asian who schemes to conquer the west, a viscous racist caricature straight out of the old dime magazine pulps. ..."
"... Originally Putin was depicted by liberals as merely a fiendish Asian criminal mastermind. After he finally started responding to the endless provocations, he became the terrible Fu Manchu, leader of a secret society of assassins, always plotting to destroy the west. Next to him is Alexander Dugin, a diabolical eastern sorcerer and leader of a fanatical sect. ..."
"... These sterotypes are 100% racist, and of the kind of brutal American "Yellow Peril" racism that justified both the mass internments of the Japanese in concentration camps and the nuclear genocide of two civilian cities. ..."
The entire Liberal narratives around Vladimir Putin and Alexander Dugin are actually
political reconstructions of the "Yellow Peril" stereotype of the evil Asian who schemes to
conquer the west, a viscous racist caricature straight out of the old dime magazine
pulps.
Originally Putin was depicted by liberals as merely a fiendish Asian criminal
mastermind. After he finally started responding to the endless provocations, he became the
terrible Fu Manchu, leader of a secret society of assassins, always plotting to destroy the
west. Next to him is Alexander Dugin, a diabolical eastern sorcerer and leader of a fanatical
sect.
Now (straight out of a Fu Manchu plotline) Putin is supposedly plotting to install his
puppet as president of the United States.
These sterotypes are 100% racist, and of the kind of brutal American "Yellow Peril"
racism that justified both the mass internments of the Japanese in concentration camps and
the nuclear genocide of two civilian cities.
Philip May, husband of Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May happens to be a senior executive
of Capital Group which is a major holder of both Lockheed Martin and British Aerospace
(BAE).
Theresa May's husband's Investment Firm made a financial killing from the bombing of
Syria
According to Investopedia, Philip May's Capital Group owned around 7.09% of Lockheed Martin
in March 2018 – a stake said to be worth more than £7Bn at this time.
...
Every single JASSM used in the recent bombing of Syria costs more than $1,000,000, and as a
result of their widespread use during the recent bombing of Syria by Western forces, the share
price of Lockheed Martin soared.
Trump betrayal of his voters is as staggering as Obama betrayal. May even more so.
Notable quotes:
"... It is fitting that one of the first things that will happen during Pompeo's tenure as chief diplomat is the repudiation of a successful diplomatic agreement solely for reasons of spite and ideology. That reflects the contempt for diplomacy and compromise that Pompeo shares with the president. It is an early reminder why having Pompeo in charge of U.S. diplomacy is so dangerous and why it would have been better not to confirm him. ..."
"... North Korea wasn't going to give up its nuclear weapons anyway, and now it will look at Trump's reneging on the nuclear deal as proof that they are right to keep them. ..."
"... Pompeo's recent statements are those of an ignorant and incompetent jackass. Barely two weeks in and sane Americans are already nostalgic for Tillerson. ..."
"... Instead, as Pompeo's current trip and whereabouts make very clear, he's aping the same old tired Bush/Obama Middle East crap and still running errands for the corrupt rulers of Israel and Saudi Arabia. ..."
"... And if Trump doesn't stop betraying his voters with all this pointless, staggeringly expensive Middle East crap, he'll be gone in 2020. ..."
It is fitting that one of the first things that will happen during Pompeo's tenure as chief
diplomat is the repudiation of a successful diplomatic agreement solely for reasons of spite
and ideology. That reflects the contempt for diplomacy and compromise that Pompeo shares with
the president. It is an early reminder why having Pompeo in charge of U.S. diplomacy is so
dangerous and why it would have been better not to confirm him.
Pompeo also
said this weekend that he didn't think North Korea would care if the U.S. withdrew from the
agreement:
"I don't think Kim Jong Un is staring at the Iran deal and saying, 'Oh goodness, if they
get out of that deal, I won't talk to the Americans anymore,'" Pompeo told reporters
traveling on his plane en route from Saudi Arabia to Israel. "There are higher priorities,
things that he is more concerned about than whether or not the Americans stay in the
[agreement]."
It is obvious that North Korea has bigger concerns than U.S. adherence to the JCPOA, but it
doesn't follow that they won't take U.S. withdrawal as another sign that negotiating with
Washington is pointless. North Korea already has other reasons to doubt U.S. trustworthiness.
John Bolton's
endorsement of using negotiations with Libya as a model couldn't be more tone-deaf, since
North Korean officials frequently cite the overthrow and death of Gaddafi as a cautionary tale
of what happens when a government makes a deal with the U.S. It is possible that North Korea
won't put much stock in what happens to the JCPOA one way or another for a very different
reason: unlike Iran, North Korea has no intention of making significant concessions, and it is
engaged in talks with the U.S. to get as much as it can out of the fact that it is now a
full-fledged nuclear weapons state.
North Korea wasn't going to give up its nuclear weapons
anyway, and now it will look at Trump's reneging on the nuclear deal as proof that they are
right to keep them.
Our involvement in international "diplomacy", already weird, embarrassing, and destabilizing
because of Trump's random behavior, now seems to be spinning out of control. Pompeo's
recent statements are those of an ignorant and incompetent jackass. Barely two weeks in and
sane Americans are already nostalgic for Tillerson.
Wake me up when any senior member of this government turns out to be something other than
crooked, stupid, vulgar, incompetent, or some kind of foreign agent. We voted for Trump
hoping for a radical re-dedication to American interests. Instead, as Pompeo's current
trip and whereabouts make very clear, he's aping the same old tired Bush/Obama Middle East
crap and still running errands for the corrupt rulers of Israel and Saudi Arabia.
November 2018 is already slated to be a Republican bloodbath, in great part because our
government, the Congress in particular, is serving foreign interests and Wall Street instead
of America. And if Trump doesn't stop betraying his voters with all this pointless,
staggeringly expensive Middle East crap, he'll be gone in 2020.
With the still largely ignored Saudi slaughter in Yemen now in its fourth year, RT's
In The Now
has resurrected a
forgotten clip from a 2016 CNN interview with Senator Rand Paul, which is currently going
viral.
In a piece of cable news history that rivals Madeleine Albright's infamous words during a
1996
60 Minutes
appearance
where she calmly and coldly proclaimed of 500,000 dead Iraqi children that
"the price is
worth it,"
CNN's Wolf Blitzer railed against Senator Paul's opposition to a proposed $1.1
billion US arms sale to Saudi Arabia by arguing that slaughter of Yemeni civilians was worth it
so long as it benefits US jobs and defense contractors.
At the time of the
2016 CNN interview
, Saudi
Arabia with the help of its regional and Western allies -- notably the U.S. and Britain -- had
been bombing Yemen for a year-and-a-half, and as
the
United Nations noted
, the Saudi coalition had been responsible for the majority of the
war's (at that point) 10,000 mostly civilian deaths.
At that time the war was still in its early phases, but now multiple years into the
Saudi-led bombing campaign which began in March 2015,
the
U.N. reports at least
"5,000 children dead or hurt and 400,000 malnourished."
... ... ...
Senator Paul began the interview by outlining the rising civilian death toll
and massive refugee crisis that the U.S. continued facilitating
due to deep military assistance
to the Saudis
:
There are now millions of displaced people in Yemen. They're refugees. So we supply the
Saudis with arms, they create havoc and refugees in Yemen. Then what's the answer? Then we're
going to take the Yemeni refugees in the United States? Maybe we ought to quit arming both
sides of this war.
Paul then narrowed in on the Pentagon's role in the crisis: "We are refueling the Saudi
bombers that are dropping the bombs. It is said that thousands of civilians have died in Yemen
because of this."
CNN's Blitzer responded, "So for you this is a moral issue. Because you know, there's a lot
of jobs at stake. Certainly if a lot of these defense contractors stop selling war planes,
other sophisticated equipment to Saudi Arabia, there's going to be a significant loss of jobs,
of revenue here in the United States. That's secondary from your standpoint?"
Paul countered, "Well not only is it a moral question, its a constitutional question." And
noted that Obama had partnered with the Saudi attack on Yemen without Congressional approval:
"Our founding fathers very directly and specifically did not give the president the power to go
to war. They gave it to Congress. So Congress needs to step up and this is what I'm doing."
* * *
For further context of what the world knew at the time the CNN interview took place, we can
look no further than the United Nations and other international monitoring groups.
A year after Blitzer's statements,
Foreign Policy published a bombshell report
based on possession of a leaked 41-page draft
UN document, which found Saudi Arabia and its partner coalition allies in Yemen (among them the
United States) of being guilty of horrific war crimes, including the bombing of dozens of
schools, hospitals, and civilian infrastructure.
The U.N. study focused on child and civilian deaths during the first two years of the Saudi
coalition bombing campaign - precisely the time frame during which the CNN Wolf Blitzer and
Rand Paul interview took place.
"The killing and maiming of children remained the most prevalent violation" of children's
rights in Yemen , according to the 41-page draft report obtained by Foreign Policy.
The chief author of the confidential draft report, Virginia Gamba, the U.N. chief's
special representative for children abused in war time, informed top U.N. officials Monday,
that she intends to recommend the Saudi-led coalition be added to a list a countries and
entities that kill and maim children , according to a well-placed source.
The UN report further identified that air attacks "were the cause of over half of all child
casualties, with at least 349 children killed and 333 children injured" during the designated
period of time studied, and documented that, "the U.N. verified a total of 1,953 youngsters
killed and injured in Yemen in 2015 -- a six-fold increase compared with 2014" - with the
majority of these deaths being the result of Saudi and coalition air power.
Also according
AP reporting at the time
: "It said nearly three-quarters of attacks on schools and
hospitals -- 38 of 52 -- were also carried out by the coalition."
But again, Wolf Blitzer's first thought was those poor defense contractors:
...Because you know, there's a lot of jobs at stake. Certainly if a lot of these defense
contractors stop selling war planes, other sophisticated equipment to Saudi Arabia, there's
going to be a significant loss of jobs, of revenue here in the United States.
* * *
This trip down memory lane elicited suitable responses on Twitter:
Honestly, with all these drug addicts, pedos, government dependents,
and fraudulent finance and advertising pieces of shit at home, I'd
really like to see some infighting here. No need to sell abroad.
"... There is no "Western consensus" in support of "rewriting" the deal. Germany has no interest in revising the agreement, and has said so explicitly. If the U.S. and France cook up some other agreement between themselves, none of the other parties will respect its terms. If one or two parties to the agreement can go back and "rewrite" the parts they don't like whenever they want, none of the other parties will see any reason to abide by its requirements. Thinking that the U.S. can "rewrite" a deal and that the other side simply has to go along with it is as arrogant as it is stupid. ..."
"... Iran isn't going to agree to make additional concessions when the other parties have no intention of offering them anything more, and Iran already gave up as much as it was prepared to concede the first time. ..."
The Wall Street Journal editors make
a ludicrous argument in favor of a "revised" deal with Iran:
This is a major advance, and it offers hope that the U.S. and France, Britain and Germany
can agree on a revised pact. Contrary to common misunderstanding, Iran, Russia and China
wouldn't have to agree to these changes. The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, as the deal
is known, isn't a treaty. Mr. Obama never submitted it for Senate approval because he knew it
would be defeated. The deal is essentially a set of assurances agreed to at the United
Nations that lack the force of U.S. law.
The JCPOA was endorsed by a U.N. Security Council resolution (UNSCR
2231), so all member states are obliged to respect the deal as it was written. The deal wasn't
a treaty, but that doesn't give the U.S. license to violate it or arbitrarily change it after
the fact. Indeed, every attempt to "rewrite" an agreement once it has already been made is a
violation that makes U.S. promises seem worthless.
There is no "Western consensus" in support of "rewriting" the deal. Germany has
no interest in revising the agreement, and has said so explicitly. If the U.S. and France
cook up some other agreement between themselves, none of the other parties will respect its
terms. If one or two parties to the agreement can go back and "rewrite" the parts they don't
like whenever they want, none of the other parties will see any reason to abide by its
requirements. Thinking that the U.S. can "rewrite" a deal and that the other side simply has to
go along with it is as arrogant as it is stupid.
Iran would have to agree to any changes because Iran would be the one implementing those
changes, and their government has
said many times in no uncertain terms that this isn't going to happen. The reason for this
should be obvious: Iran isn't going to agree to make additional concessions when the other
parties have no intention of offering them anything more, and Iran already gave up as much as
it was prepared to concede the first time. Iran isn't going to give up more when they are under
less pressure and have more international support. Besides, if they accepted a "rewrite" of the
deal now, it would just be a matter of time until the U.S. came back with another "rewrite" and
then another after that.
"Rewriting" the requirements of an agreement made in good faith is a dishonest and treacherous way to deal with other
governments. Other governments can see that for what it is, and they will know that the U.S. can't be trusted to keep its end of
a bargain. All of this talk about a "new deal" is just a bit of kabuki to distract from the fact that the U.S. is about to
renege on its international commitments for no good reason. Hawks are desperate to spread blame around for their reckless
scrapping of a working nonproliferation agreement, but everyone can see through this. When the deal falls apart, the Trump
administration and its hawkish allies will be the only ones responsible.
The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, as the deal is known, isn't a treaty. Mr. Obama
never submitted it for Senate approval because he knew it would be defeated.
By that standard (ratified by 2/3 vote in Senate) most of our trade treaties are not
treaties. They're passed by the normal legislative process. (TPP would have been an example;
NAFTA was passed that way, too.)
Of course, given the rabid AIPAC-inspired hatred of Iran, I'm not saying the JCPOA would
have passed that way, either.
" a violation that makes U.S. promises seem worthless."
Russia has defined the US as a nation who cannot be negotiated with because its promises
are meaningless. They have a word for it which goes beyond "untrustworthy," and means someone
who makes promises with no intention of keeping them even at the time they are made.
More and more nations will reach the same conclusion.
By that standard (ratified by 2/3 vote in Senate) most of our trade treaties are not
treaties. They're passed by the normal legislative process. (TPP would have been an
example; NAFTA was passed that way, too.)
Of course, given the rabid AIPAC-inspired hatred of Iran, I'm not saying the JCPOA would
have passed that way, either.
Not sure what the debate is they aren't treaties by strict Constitutional standards.
Treaties are passed without ratification just like wars are entered without a Declaration of
War.
Maybe the outcome of all this is that foreign leaders who want solid agreements will try
to get real treaties from the US government instead of convincing the US to do some
extra-Constitutional measure that they think should be treated like a treaty when it
isn't.
And that would be a good thing, from a conservative perspective.
Don't you understand, all international agreements are bound by U.S. law because all of the
nations of the earth must bow down to us.
We are such an egotistic, narcissistic people. We will get our comeuppance when we least
expect it. I keep hoping for us to wake up but I hope in vain.
The Wall Street Journal editorial board thinks like a sleazy lawyer – what a surprise.
The honor of thieves – and I would not count on Germany maintaining its "splendid
isolation" either.
Back in the day, Schroeder pretended to oppose Bush's Iraq invasion for electoral gain,
while carefully pretending any of the actual options he had to work against it. The options
included using Germany's then-membership in the USNC to unilaterally invoke UN Resolution 377
to force a meeting of the UN General Assembly, with the goal of pass a resolution opposing
and disavowing the planned invasion of Iraq. Other, smaller and less powerful countries
without much affliction of "Western values and civilization" were trying to organize such a
step outside the USNC, and US "diplomats" spent a lot of effort making threats to coerce the
more vulnerable nations that participated into dropping out.
Today, Merkel declares that Germany "supports" the repeated illegal bombing of Syria, and
has little to say regarding the Turkish and US invasions and Israeli acts of aggression.
Should we consider Israel, undeclared nuclear state, or India, non-signatory to the NPT?
Or the failure of the US and Russia to follow the example set by China and settle for minimum
means of reprisal even in the face of US forward based missile defense designed to neutralize
any deterrent of a "reasonable" size and number?
Should we consider Iraq, Libya, Yemen – those crimes of aggression perpetrated by
"the West"?
Nobody can look at the historic record, and with a straight face claim that the US and its
various "allies" and hanger-ons and co-belligerents have any standing with respect to the
conduct of Iran. Neither Trump nor Macron believes for a moment that the "new deal" is the
objective of all this "diplomacy". The only ones fooled are the dupes that take these
contortions at face value, and believe that either "leader" is acting in good faith.
Don't you understand, all international agreements are bound by U.S. law because all of
the nations of the earth must bow down to us.
All international agreements are based on legal processes established by the existence of
nations as sovereign entities operating on their own principles, through
self-determination.
This is recognized and established in the UN Charter, by the way.
In effect, it practically means the US needs to acknowledge Iranian law, and Iran needs to
acknowledge American law.
Globalists who have wanted to act outside this framework have been the arrogant ones, in
different ways and different forms, over the decades.
Again, can't Iran Leader just visit Trump at his hotel during one of weekends and enjoy the
best tasting chocolate ever? Or better yet, deliver a Boeing plane to the Iran/Trump summit
where Trump takes all the credit for the jobs? Maybe Iran can state how big Trump's hands
are. (or Something)
Really I can't tell if Trump is really against the Iran deal or just wants a couple
Iranian concessions (or complements on his golfing game) to not back out of the deal. Trump
loves to talk loudly and do very little. (It is a very weird way to be a dove.)
I can only surmise that Trump's plan is to destroy America's standing as the indispensable
party, and instead make us the poison pill. I really do think if the US walks back from this
we will see the rest of the world open the doors to Iran further to make up the shortfall. It
would be the only way to save the deal and encourage Iran to uphold it end of the deal.
This of course would push the US to implement trade sanctions against the EU, Russia, and
China. Further isolating the US as the rest of the world turns its back on us.
The ethnic cleansing of Cherokees and the seizure of the Black Hills from the Sioux after
gold was discovered there are just two of the more notorious examples.
The US violated treaties with impunity because the Native Americans were powerless. Today
the US is a client state of the Saudis and Israelis, and it violates international law in the
Middle East at their behest for the same reason – because it can.
When it comes to nations or people, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts
absolutely.
Our elites get away with whatever they can, and there is no law beyond, whatever cane be
done, will be done.
Since international trade is conducted in US dollars, which are backed by the full faith
and power of the US military, there is little junior partners can do other than to obey to
avoid punishing economic sanctions, or at worst election interference, regime change, covert
military action and ultimately open war.
France, always a rival of Britain, senses Brexit weakness and an opportunity to cosy up to
the US to its own advantage in the globalist system. As an international bankster, this fits
Macron's own elitist agenda well.
Note to readers : Looks like Eric is writing a satire, but this is not immeduatly
obvious...
Notable quotes:
"... Trump must stick to the nuclear treaty with Iran or possibly face a new Mideast war; that it's essential for the US to join the Paris climate accord; and that the US must resume its role of multilateral world engagement. ..."
"... I think I figured it out but just to be sure: this is a parody, right? Macron is presiding over an ailing French economy; to distract from it, he has now made himself a war criminal by illegally attacking Syria. In doing so, he has been suicidally reckless with France's few naval assets, which could (and frankly, should) have been sunk at a moment's notice. ..."
After delivering kisses and hugs, Macron then went before the US Congress and threw down the
gauntlet. He told America's legislators tough truths they were not used to hearing in the Trump
era. Namely: that the right's political and economic nationalism is stupid and toxic; that
Trump must stick to the nuclear treaty with Iran or possibly face a new Mideast war; that
it's essential for the US to join the Paris climate accord; and that the US must resume its
role of multilateral world engagement.
... ... ...
That is, at least until the abrasive nature of French politics, labor wars, and financial
hanky panky derail his meteoric rise. No one yet understands where Macron came from or who is
really behind him. The French Rothschilds, for whom Macron used to work as a banker, are the
most obvious suspects. But we don't really know for sure.
I think I figured it out but just to be sure: this is a parody, right? Macron is
presiding over an ailing French economy; to distract from it, he has now made himself a war
criminal by illegally attacking Syria. In doing so, he has been suicidally reckless with
France's few naval assets, which could (and frankly, should) have been sunk at a moment's
notice.
He went to Washington where he was supposed to deliver the "tough message" that
Trump better not think about destroying the Iran nuclear deal. Instead, this big child turned
like a leaf in the presence of his master, and is now firmly on the jew-approved,
anti-Iranian track.
The only problem with that of course is that that track leads to war, and more
specifically a war of such proportions that the resulting refugee flows will wreck Europe,
including the country for which Macron was supposed to be responsible–and that is the
good outcome, if China and Russia would interdict an attack on Iran we'd be pretty close to
going nuclear.
The French people will need to rid themselves of this Zionist scum before these
catastrophes come to pass.
Macron is Blair with a shinier suit, his antics on foreign policy can't hide the deep seated
problems in France from a stagnant economy, the leading indicators in France are
deteriorating, to a low level civil war between immigrants and the French. He is like a
vision from a discredited and bygone age. Macron was un danser at Rothschild, he seeks to
sell further US involvement in Syria to Trump.
The only thing Macron got right was keeping the nuclear deal with Iran. The rest was just the
usual globalist, one world mumbo jumbo. Macron can man up and send thousands of French troops
to Syria if he feels so strongly in a Western presence there.
Here was Europe – and much of Asia – telling Trump to stop acting like a
petulant, amateur monarch and start acting like the president of the United States.
On the contrary, Macron was imploring Trump to betray his base and serve the interests of
Israel and the world's elites.
Macron and Merkel are both trying to destroy their own people and remake their nations by
welcoming a mass influx of Afro-Islamic invaders. At minimum they should be met with boos,
jeers and bullhorns wherever they go. At most their people should working towards another
Bastille day for them and other traitors complete with guillotines.
A few thoughts on our disastrous trillion-dollar military:
It is unnecessary. It does not defend the United States. The last time it did so was in
1945. The United States has no military enemies. No nation has anything even close to the
forces necessary to invade America, and probably none the desire. A fifth of the budget would
suffice for any real needs.
"Our boys" are not noble warriors protecting democracy, rescuing maidens, and righting
wrongs. They are, like all soldiers, obedient and amoral killers. Pilots bombing Iraq or Syria
know they are killing civilians. They do not care. If ordered to bomb Switzerland, they would
do it. This is the nature of all armies. Glamorizing this most reprehensible trades is just a
means of usefully stimulating the pack instinct which we often call patriotism.
The militarily is America's worst enemy. It does enormous damage to the United
States while providing almost no benefit. Start with the war on Vietnam that cost hugely in
money and lives, ours and theirs, with no benefit. Iraq: high cost, no benefit. Afghanistan:
High cost, no benefit. Syria: High cost, no benefit.
The costs in lives and money do not include the staggering cost of weapons that do nothing
for America or Americans. Do you, the reader, believe that you are safer because of the F-35?
Do a dozen aircraft carriers improve the lives of your children? Will the B-21, an unbelievably
expensive new thermonuclear bomber, make your streets safer? Then add the bleeding of
engineering talent better spent on advancing America's economic competitiveness. The country
has many crying needs, falls behind China, but money and talent go to the military.
We cannot escape from the soldiers. The armed forces have embedded themselves so deeply into
the country that they have almost become the country. America is little more than a funding
mechanism for what clumsily may be called the military-industrial-intelligence-media-Israeli
complex. Some of these entities belong to the military (NSA). Some depend on it
(Lockheed-Martin). Some use it to their own ends (Israel), but the military is the central
infection from which the other symptoms flow. Congress? A storefront, a subcommittee of the
Knesset or, as P. J. O'Rourke put it, a parliament of whores. Factories, jobs, contracts, towns
depend on military spending. If the Second Marine Division folded, Jacksonville NC would dry up
and blow away. So would dozens of other towns. Without military spending, California's economy
would crash. Universities depend on military research funding.
The military has achieved its current autonomy by degrees, unnoticed. The Pentagon learned
much in Vietnam, not about fighting wars, which it still cannot do well, but about managing its
real enemy, the public. The media, which savaged the war on Vietnam, are now firmly controlled
by the corporations that own them. Thus we do not see photos of the horrors committed by
American aircraft bombing cities. While the existence of phenomenally expensive weapons like
the B-21 is not quite suppressed, coverage is so slight that most Americans have never heard of
it. This the Complex learned from the F-35 debacle. And of course Congress, thoroughly bought
and wanting jobs in its districts, allows no serious opposition to anything military. Neither
Congress nor the media point out the extent to which military expenditure dominates the
economy, draining resources from civilian needs.
Why does the military not win wars? In part because winning is not in the interest of the
Pentagon and those who feed on it. Wars generate profitable contracts for all manner of
supplies and equipment. Either winning or losing ends the gravy train. For example, the war on
Afghanistan of almost two decades has become an entitlement program for the arms industry,
accomplishing nothing, killing countless peasants, and lacking purpose other than maintaining
an unneeded empire and funneling money to the Complex.
How did the Complex free itself from civilian control? The crucial step in depriving the
public of influence was the neutering of the constitutional requirement that wars be declared
by Congress. The military thus became the private army of the President and those who control
him. Then came the All Volunteer Army, which ended inconvenience to or mutilation of the
children of people of importance, leaving the body bags to be filled by deplorables from
Memphis or Appalachia or Mexico. America's wars then became air wars and finally drone wars,
reducing casualties to very few. The public, both ignorant and uninvolved, became
acquiescent.
As I write, we wait to see whether Trump, and those behind him, will put America deeper into
the Mid-East and perhaps war with Russia. If he does, we will read about it the next day in the
newspapers. It will be expensive, dangerous, and of no benefit to anyone but the arms industry
and Israel.
Despite the asphyxiating economic presence, the military keeps aloof from America. This too
serves the purposes of the Complex, further preventing attention by the public to what is not
its business. In the days of conscription there was a familiarity with the armed services.
Young men from most social classes wore the uniform however ruefully and told of their
experiences. Not now. The career military have always tended to keep to themselves, to
socialize with each other as the police do. Now the isolation is almost hermetic. You can spend
years in Washington or New York and never meet a colonel. Military society with its
authoritarianism, its uniforms and its uniform government-issue outlook is not compatible with
civil society. To the cultivated, military officers seem simple-minded, conformist and well,
weird.
ORDER IT NOW
Add it all up and you see that the citizenry has no say–none–over the Complex,
which is autonomous and out of control. If the Complex wants war with Russia or China, we will
have-war with Russia or China. Ask people whether they would prefer a naval base in
Qatar–which most have never heard of, either the base or the country–or decent
heath care. Then ask them which they have.
The military destroys America and there is nothing–nothing at all–that you can
do about it.
Further, the Complex drives foreign policy, and in directions of no benefit to America or
Americans. For example, the contrived fury against Russia. Why this? Russia presents no danger
to America or anyone else. The Complex makes foreign policy for its own ends, not ours.
A rising Asia is challenging the America military Empire. The tide runs against the Complex.
North Korea faced Washington down and became a nuclear power. The Crimea went back irrevocably
to Russia. East Ukraine does the same. Iran got its treaty and becomes part of the world order.
In the South China Sea, China ignores the US, which once was supreme in all the seas. The war
against Afghanistan heads for its third decade and the war on Syria seems to have failed. Other
things go badly for the Empire. The dollar is under siege as reserve currency. China grows
economically, advances rapidly in technology and, doubtless terrifying to Washington, tries to
integrate Asia and Europe into a vast economic bloc. The Complex beats the war drums as its
fingers loosen on the world's collective throat.
Washington desperately needs to stop the rollback of American power, stop the erosion of the
dollar, block the economic integration of Eurasia and Latin America, keep Russia from trading
amicably with Europe. It will do anything to maintain its grip. All of its remote wars in
far-off savage lands, of no importance to America or Americans, are to this purpose. A
militarized America threatens Russia, threatens China, threatens Iran, threatens North Korea,
threatens Venezuela, expands NATO, on and on.
America has been hijacked.
Fred Reed is a retired news weasel and part-time sociopath living in Mexico with his
wife and three sueless but agreeable street dogs. (Republished from
Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative) ← Herding
Hamsters and Other Cosmic Refle...
Fred, a bit harsh in places. Having served for twenty-four years, '76-'00, active &
reserve, I can say with certainty that the men & women who comprise the armed forces are
a more complex & nuanced group than your brief description of them as "obedient and
amoral killers." The number that are amoral killers is probably about the same as those whose
main motivation for joining is patriotism, i.e. relatively small.
That said, I get what you're saying. The problem is that nature abhors a vacuum. If
America brings the troops home, closes all the bases and "raises the drawbridge" the various
bad-actors of the world will proceed to aggress against their neighbors much more so than
they already do. Would be an interesting experiment, though, for America to cease being the
world's policeman. I suspect that the rest of the so-called free world would be begging us to
resume the role almost immediately.
Sad to say, the principle "bad actor" in the world today, and the one committing the most
aggression, is the United States itself. The United States generates the most instability and
is the country that threatens world peace the most. I half expect to see the U.S. try to
torpedo the Korean peace talks, just to be able to maintain troops on the Korean
peninsula.
Fred's had two good articles in a row and his conclusion is spot on: the United States has
been hijacked.
because certain countries/people within the reach of "various bad-actors of the world"
would pay the price.Heavy price.
There is that prevalent mantra here about Russia/China being forces of good. Yeah ..
I've used the analogy here several times:
US is like Tywin Lannister. Russia Rose Bolton, China Slavers Bay.
Neither that good, but, definitely prefer the first.
We live in strange times. Back in 50s/60s, the Anglo-Right represented militarism &
empire while Jewish Left represented anti-war & peace with USSR. Today, the Real Right
oppose war & support peace while Jewish 'left' call for more empire, intervention, &
new cold war.
Sirs,y
I worked as an electrical inspector for the DCMA under contractors to the DCMA. I worked for
2 years in Iraq and 6 in Afghanistan. I meet and worked many honorable and competent military
people; I also had the misfortune to meet a great many who were not so good. Unfortunately,
the people that can't make in the military are sent over to the contractors who hire them
because of the old boys network and the vets perf. These are the worst.; if you are a
civilian working under LOGCAP without the military service you WILL NEVER get advancement .
The slugs from the military get all the gravy jobs and it is AA run wild. The ethnics stick
together and the dumb white guys who believe in merit end up in the crappy jobs doing all the
work and not getting any credit and the first to be laid off.
Not only that the LOGCAP program brinsg in Balkans and Indians to cut Americans out of
jobs. Indians make about 700 USD a month 4 times what they would make at home. Balkans,
around 4K 3 times what the make at home. These guys worm their way in and never leave; so
your average American contract employee shows up and he is getting screwed from the get
go.
The story I was told if you get 100K the contractor get 200-250K
Fred, you'd best look out the window to see who's at the door for the next few weeks. You may
have written too much truth for the military-industrial-intelligence-media-Israeli complex to
tolerate. Mossad has a few idle operatives in Mexico. Don't get too high-profile. They kill
people for a lot less.
The U.S. military is basically the right-wing/Republican version of the social welfare
state:
[...] Welfare's last stand Long in retreat in the US, the welfare state found a haven in an unlikely place –
the military, where it thrived for decades
[...]
– https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-us-military-became-a-welfare-state
Listen to Jennifer Mittelstadt explain the term "military welfare state" on The
Strategy Bridge's podcast :
[...]
America's all-volunteer army took shape in the 1970s, in the wake of widespread opposition
to the draft. Abandoning compulsory conscription, it wrestled with how to attract and
retain soldiers -- a task made more difficult by the military's plummeting prestige after
Vietnam. The army solved the problem, Jennifer Mittelstadt shows, by promising to take care
of its own -- the more than ten million Americans who volunteered for active duty after
1973 and their families. While the United States dismantled its civilian welfare system in
the 1980s and 1990s, army benefits continued to expand.
Yet not everyone was pleased by programs that, in their view, encouraged dependency,
infantilized soldiers, and feminized the institution. Fighting to outsource and privatize
the army's "socialist" system and to reinforce "self-reliance" among American soldiers,
opponents rolled back some of the military welfare state's signature achievements, even as
a new era of war began.
Right now, since unemployment is so low, recruiters have a harder time finding qualified
candidates:
Trump Wants To Beef Up The Military, But Recruiters Are Having Trouble Finding People
(HBO)
Booming military benefits
The cost of military pay raises and benefits programs, which have increased almost 90 percent
since 2001, have become the fastest-growing part of the Pentagon's budget and now account for
more than a quarter of all defense spending. Here is a look at the types of compensation
provided to active-duty troops and retirees, how those costs have grown and where they are
headed. – https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/national/booming-military-benefits/200/
OMG Yet another nitpicking, mean-spirited, petty, big-mouth,, intellectually bone-lazy
commenter. Do you actually carefully read and ponder what is written? Is your attention span
longer than a few minutes? Do you have any respect for an author–or for yourself? Has
it occurred to you that the author's main points are on the whole absolutely correct and even
self-evident? If you're going to take the trouble to critique, how about doing it with
intellectual and moral integrity, with some degree of thoroughness and, frankly, coherent
thought? Are you even capable of it? Wouldn't it have been better for you to exercise some
self-control and keep silent?
I'd suggest you read a little outside of what American MSM wants you to believe.
Russia is, as Fred has said, of no danger to anybody. I would add – to anybody who
leaves her alone.
As with poking a bear; if you leave it alone, it ignores you. Start hitting it, it rips you
to bits. Same analogy.
As to Ukraine, everyone now who still has 2 brain cells synapsing is aware that Ukraine was a
US organised, backed and paid for coup d'etat. IN fact, Putin gets a huge amount of crap from
many Alt-Med sites and commentators for NOT going in with tanks and levelling Kiev to the
ground, which she could have done in 1.5 days flat. Including tea breaks.
Russia has nothing to do with Moldova.
Georgia, with some encouragement from a few CIA types had an insane President, who launched
an unprovoked attack on South Ossetia, and fired on and killed Russian peacekeepers at 2 a.m.
one morning. Many in Georgia were being air-bombed. A young girl there visiting from America
with her aunt was rescued – by Russian soldiers. She tried to thank them on US tv, and
was cut off by the anchor!! Once the situation in Georgia had been resolved with the Georgian
troops returned to base, Russia left. Something America has never, ever, done. Where ever it
goes, it stays, like brown sticky stuff on your shoe.
So get your facts straight. Remember, Putin made a small comment that the Empire appears to
have overlooked. You should never, he said, corner anyone. Read up about what a cornered rat
did to him, and what he learned from it.
The Empire is pushing and pushing and pushing. Putin has warned and warned and warned.
Russia is no danger to anyone who leaves her alone – something the Ruling Regime of the
Fascist Empire of America seems unable to grasp.
Even assuming Vladimir Putin has such designs (I'm skeptical that he wants more ethnic
minority headaches than he has already), why is any of this the business of the United
States?
Fine job stating the obvious Fred. I mean that as a compliment. It is the obvious that is
most likely to be overlooked by my countrymen.
It's the foggy bottom. The District of Corruption. The seat of the Anglo/Zio Empire that
is the most dangerous enemy of the people of earth. The good news – the empire is in
steep decline. The bad news – it will reach peak madness just before it dies.
The US military just got an unneeded 10% budget boost because of spin that its budget was
cut, while it has increased each year. The only cuts were to the big increases demanded. The
Pentagon also lies and says that every military readiness issue is not caused by
incompetence, but a lack of money.
Watch the idiotic responses by Fox News propagandists when former Republican Congressmen
David Stockman recently informed them that the Pentagon budget should be slashed, not
increased.
Totally agree. The US is seen in most of the world as the bully of the nations, not the
policeman, even in the EU (don't be fooled by our leaders, we don't control them).
OMG, that "news" video. Not only do these "journalists" babble like first-graders –
they have even unlearned to present facial expressions appropriate for sentient human beings.
Turn off the sound and it's like watching "Finding Nemo".
No Isreal could'nt take over the Mid-East if we weren't around, they would either get
along with their neighbors or cease to exist,the world gained nothing in Korea except the
thousands and millions slaughtered,the world gained nothing with our false flag to get us
into Nam except for the thousands and millions slaughtered and then it was on to
Afghanistan,Yemen Syria,yes your right the world would be a safer place without out endless
wars, and if we can't fine one we create one, the Mid-East is more than proof of that, and
you know I don't know of any country or countries who are crying for us to be the policeman,
when we lack the capability to even control the whores in congress>>>
How did the Complex free itself from civilian control? The crucial step in depriving
the public of influence was the neutering of the constitutional requirement that wars be
declared by Congress . The military thus became the private army of the President and
those who control him.
If I'd come upon this paragraph first, I'd have thought I was reading an article by
Ron Paul . However,
most Americans don't want to hear the old boring stuff about "muh Constitution", right, so
they will never understand this.
Good column, Mr. Reed. About the only thing I see missing is the American elites' use of
the US military as a grand social experiment, which will make these forces not so effective
in a real war with a serious enemy. Being the big bully of the world will work out fine until
the first knock-out punch, or the money runs out. The latter will probably happen first
– (see peak neocon here and here .)
LOTS of ad hominem directed at Fred in these comments, without even the slightest refutation
whatsoever at the content of his article. There is clearly a strong emotional need to believe
that the US military is "a global force for good" among many commenters, since there shouting
down of Fred is emotional and without evidence of where he has made an error in his thinking.
And to the first commenter who thinks people of earth who would be begging to have the US
military back in their homelands should it ever leave: you have obviously never met a person
who is not from America. There is really nothing else I can say to such an insane, immature,
deliberately stupid remark. God help you. No country on earth wants the US military in it. If
any sizeable portion of the brainwashed, two-digit IQ, blaspheming american "christian"
population ever wakes up to the scam, it could be over in an election cycle, but it's
probably impossible. The crushing weight of universal propoganda and perfectly orchestrated
identity politics is just too much.
On a personal level, I have met many men who work for the war profiteers, some at fairly
influential levels. They are pure, straight evil; filled with more explosive anger and hate
than anyone you've ever met. They are as bad as bad gets. Trust me. To this day, I have never
met people like them.
That aeon article was stupid. The first half summarized the (prescient, in my view as a
one-and-done army officer) worry that adding all these social welfare bennies would turn the
army into a bunch of single mothers, which it did, and undermine readiness. The second half,
which I guess was the overall point of the article, was whining about how "boo hoo the
military is getting its bennies privatized, how are we going to care for all these single
mothers?"
Another hit-and-run one post wonder. Fred Reed's columns seem to be literally filled with
you deranged sockpuppets. One post and then poof -- you're gone, never to be seen
again. Quite interesting.
Roger Stone said that he has known John Bolton since the Reagan years. Stone claims Bolton is
not a neocon warmonger but a guy who is a staunch believer in the old doctrine of peace
through strength. Interesting as Stone despises neocons. Bolton went to Yale undergrad and
Yale Law. Haley has a degree in accounting from Clemson, a mediocre land grant public
university in South Carolina.
Ok, you all, I have a personal story about John Bolton that I'm gonna drop here. This story
comes from someone who used to live next door to John Bolton in Bethesda (or Chevy Chase?).
Bolton's former (and current?) neighbor is a Harvard-trained medical doctor and a liberal
Jewish guy. He has two daughters who are now grown. One is now a veterinarian in North
Potomac. Anyway, his daughters were like 10 and 12-years old when they would water Bolton's
plants when he was away on travel. One time when Bolton was traveling he asked the older girl
to water his plants and he'd pay her $25. She agreed. Then a few days later she had something
come up and would not be able to do it and asked her younger sister if she could take care of
it she could have the full $25. The younger sister agreed. After Bolton returned from his
trip the younger sister went over to Bolton and explained what happened and that she, not her
older sister, had taken care and watered his plants. Bolton told her that he was not going to
pay her because the agreement was strictly between him and her older sister. That was last
interaction they had with Bolton. End of story.
"Our friends here in China and in Russia tell us that we should not say this. Nevertheless,
we do not respect the UN. It is controlled by many players, but in the end the master of
puppets who pulls all the strings in the UN is the US.
[...]
So these are the major supporters of the terrorist groups in Syria: Saudi Arabia, Qatar,
Turkey, France, Great Britain and the US. [...]
Each one of them has its own terrorist groups. [...] They are warlords. Their true
doctrine and ideology is money . It depends on who is paying them.
They get their money from the Saudi Arabia and they follow Wahhabi model of Islam, which is
not the model accepted by the majority of the Muslim people across the world."
The scary thing about all this is pax-americana is slowly dying. Recent economic figures
coming out of the west show this. All recent gains have nothing in common with industrial
output. Profits are all related to the stock market grandest Ponzi scheme in the history of
western man.
The US does need $ Trillions in debt to pay for 1) ME wars, 2) stock market speculation 3)
keep the US "consumer" afloat and 4) cover endless government and trade deficits.
However, there is a problem. It only works in a ZIRP (Zero Interest Rate Policy)
environment where borrowing is almost free (i.e. it can be almost unlimited), and the FED has
been working hard on providing it.
Paying interest on this debt is something that can't happen -- although in fact the
impossible does seem to be happening. Interest rates have recently run up to 3%, which is
very bad news in this environment.
Monster leverage in places like the NASDAQ can't accept higher rates, the government can't
pay market interest rates on its debt, and over-borrowed consumers only took loans because of
low monthly payments, so what gives?
Probably credit worthiness (counter-party risk) in a replay of 2008.
When the thing goes into reverse, the FED will once again flood the banks with money (QE
Infinity) but this time it's going to be more obvious than ever that the money doesn't
represent anything real -- and my guess -- for what it's worth -- is that the US dollar will
finally risk its credibility (i.e. a 10% increase in the money supply = a 10% fall in the
dollar) and US Reserve Currency status is gone.
"In February 2013, guarded by its well-paid ISIS mercenaries, New Jersey-based Genie
Energy was granted an oil exploration permit in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights of
southern Syria.
[...]
Genie Energy's strategic advisory board includes Royal Dutch/Shell owner Lord Jacob
Rothschild, former US Vice-President Dick Cheney, Newscorp (Fox News & Wall Street
Journal) Chairman Rupert Murdoch, former US Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, former US
Energy Secretary Bill Richardson, former CIA Director & Dyncorp insider James Woolsey
& former Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu.
[...]
"A leaked CIA document from 1983 reveals the Rothschild plan for Syria. The document,
written by CIA officer Graham Fuller, argues that the West should, "bring real muscle to bear
against Syria" by toppling then-Syrian President Hafez al-Assad, replacing him with a
pro-banker puppet, and cutting Syria's weapons supply line from Russia."
"This would then pave the way for a City of London-controlled oil & gas pipeline which
would originate in Qatar."
"The pipeline is to run north through Bahrain, Saudi Arabia & Jordan before crossing
Syria and entering Turkey on its way to Europe. Such a huge volume of gas would help the
bankers end Russia's Gazprom stranglehold on natural gas imports into Europe."
[...]
Even before 1983, Western intelligence agencies had backed Syria's Muslim Brotherhood in a
clandestine war to remove the elder Assad.
[...]
"With Genie Oil drilling in the occupied Golan and the race to build a City of
London-controlled pipeline continuing apace, one can be sure that despite the upper hand
which Assad and his Russian, Iranian and Hezbollah backers have gained in the Syrian war of
late, Rothschild and his minions will be serving up more pretexts to keep a war-weary
President Trump fighting for their empire in Syria."
"It's up the the American people to back the President's urge to leave by making it loud
and clear that its time for the US to get out of Syria, and out from under the thumb of the
City of London banksters."
Roger Stone said that he has known John Bolton since the Reagan years. Stone claims Bolton is
not a neocon warmonger but a guy who is a staunch believer in the old doctrine of peace
through strength. Interesting as Stone despises neocons. Bolton went to Yale undergrad and
Yale Law. Haley has a degree in accounting from Clemson, a mediocre land grant public
university in South Carolina.
Ok, you all, I have a personal story about John Bolton that I'm gonna drop here. This story
comes from someone who used to live next door to John Bolton in Bethesda (or Chevy Chase?).
Bolton's former (and current?) neighbor is a Harvard-trained medical doctor and a liberal
Jewish guy. He has two daughters who are now grown. One is now a veterinarian in North
Potomac. Anyway, his daughters were like 10 and 12-years old when they would water Bolton's
plants when he was away on travel. One time when Bolton was traveling he asked the older girl
to water his plants and he'd pay her $25. She agreed. Then a few days later she had something
come up and would not be able to do it and asked her younger sister if she could take care of
it she could have the full $25. The younger sister agreed. After Bolton returned from his
trip the younger sister went over to Bolton and explained what happened and that she, not her
older sister, had taken care and watered his plants. Bolton told her that he was not going to
pay her because the agreement was strictly between him and her older sister. That was last
interaction they had with Bolton. End of story.
Watergate was the ultimate leftist deep state fake news story. Wash Post reporter
Bernstein out to avenge his communist parents' persecution by the Sen Nixon in the 50s.
CIA operatives Bradlee and his mentee Bob Woodward staged a coup.
Watch how unethical "the boys" are in their pursuit of the truth in the '76 movie version
of Watergate, "All the President's Men."
You are partially correct. There is more to the story. Mark Felt was "deep throat" and was
expecting to be appointed FBI director. When Nixon chose L. Patrick Gray as FBI director
instead of Mark Felt, all bets were off and he went after Nixon. The rest is history
This is a fairly good discussion. But only because it's on television. Otherwise,
information and chatter of this quality is commonplace on the internet or any area that's
free of Jewish censorship. My recent dinner with James Petras was more informative. (But
maybe I'm just boasting).
But Sachs (Jewish) does pull a fast one, claiming that the destabilization of Syria is due
to US and Saudi meddling. Ok. He's mostly right on that. But there's more. And surely Sachs
know it.
Sachs leaves out Israel in this discussion even though Israel has actually attacked and
bombed Syrian positions inside Syria at least three times over the past seven years.
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Zionists worldwide have been trying to get Assad overthrown for decades. Israel and Syria
are, in fact, still in a technical state of war since Israel seized Syrian territory in 1967
during the Six Day War.
In June of that year (just before the USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli forces) the
Jewish State preemptively invaded Syria. Israel still occupies Syria's Golan Heights and
intends to keep the Golan.
Plus, since Israel basically dictates Washington's official policies in the Mideast, it is
Israel–every bit as much as either occupied Washington or subservient Saudi
Arabia–that is probably most responsible for the anti-Assad chaos and carnage inside
Syria.
This manufactured Syrian 'civil war' that has cost no less than 500,000 lives and the
displacement of millions.
Sachs–like all loyal Zions–purposefully deflected attention away from Israel
in this discussion, even though he knew better. In effect, Sachs deceived. He lied for
Israel.
" ..Israel has actually attacked and bombed Syrian positions inside Syria at least three
times over the past seven years." LOL. Try, in the last seven weeks!
Sure, Israel is most responsible. But as for Sachs, since this point was already discussed
under Pat Lang's article, I'll just quote myself.
Okay, Sachs has corpses in his closet. But, IMO, take gold where you find it . limited
hangout or not.
If your adversary speaks some truth, that doesn't make it a lie. Plus, you're not going
to get every angle covered n every clip. The fact that he called out US covert
fomentation of regime-change in Syria [on major network TV!!!] makes this golden.
I agree. Sachs nor anyone on TV will mention that Israel is driving all of this. I thought
the reveal of the operation name was good, Timber Sycamore. I'm hopefully using this 5 minute
interview to wake up a friend or two who actually still believe "the news" (MSM).
I was listening to an older interview, below, from 2008 with Daryl Bradford Smith and Texe
Marrs as they discuss the worldwide scourge that is zionism. I know you're well versed in it
Mark but I'd recommend UR readers give it a listen. It explains how long this has been going
on and details many atrocities.
In the interview, it mentions that Neocon Michael Ledeen wants to use the US to destroy
Syria. The term "mission accomplished" fits here. Just a continuation of the PNAC plan.
Apparently Trump is backtracking on the US Troop pullout from Syria, or he was lying in
the first place when he made that announcement:
the head of the US military's Central Command, Gen. Joseph Votel, arrived in Israel to
reassure the head of the National Security Council, the IDF Chief of Staff and other senior
defense officials that Americans have no "immediate plans" to leave Syria , and will
continue supporting Tel Aviv's means of maintaining security and stability on its
border
"... Haley is a fool and grotesquely ignorant. ..."
"... She is a vile creature who has no contact with truth whatsoever. Does Trump not see this at all? Perhaps he does in a dim way, but by now he is so suborned and by the Deep State and depressed by the relentless opposition that he is probably glad no one is criticizing his U.N. appointment at least. ..."
"... Haley ran for governor of SC as the "tea party" candidate. She killed the careers of a number of would be Republican establishment politicians, which is why many voted for her. In other words, she is a total opportunist, a classic, typical unprincipled Republican. ..."
"... She has learned how to manipulate the system up to a certain point, but is too dumb to go any further. How sad that people like Adelson are able to buy elections. ..."
"... Ask Mike Pence. She's Pence's pick. Pence wants a fellow Ziocon stooge at the UN instead of pro Assad Tulsi Gabbard. ..."
"... She is not a moron; rather smart, clever and articulate riding on the wings of the jew to power. Immorality is her shield, no one her judge, americans a lower caste, the jew a higher caste. ..."
"... Nikki Haley is just a bit-part actress similar to the talented & useful woman featured in LeCarre's complex but educational novel "The Little Drummer Girl." ..."
"... Most men don't like their trophy wives either, that is, they like them at first but the match soon deteriorates from there. They tend to look good in the original packaging but are way overpriced and not worth the money. Buyers remorse is the rule rather than the exception. ..."
"... Nimrata the neocon harpy is just one of the gifts that the 1965 immigration and naturalization act keeps on giving. She's the Republican version of Hildabeast Clinton. ..."
"... "Nikki Haley in a nutshell: stupid; big mouth; infantile understanding of foreign affairs; easily manipulated; will do anything for more money and attention; and a total dumbshit sellout to Israel with zero integrity, morality, or empathy. " ..."
"... Hmmmm. A typical Trump appointee. Trump saw her qualifications and just had to have her on his team. He sees himself in her, y'know. ..."
"... The mistake here is to talk about the "US". The "US" (as in the population of the United States), have no to say in any of this. They voted against war but it was pointless (Trump is ramping up the pressure on Russia and Iran) and that crowd of US "consumers" is as politically useless as it gets. ..."
I have noticed Haley's awfulness from the beginning, which I see is now 15 months. Awful
though Bolton is, one feels that he has some knowledge that might even make him pull back
from Armageddon (maybe, not sure).
But Haley is a fool and grotesquely ignorant. Notice how, in the alleged chemical
attacks, she takes no thought or action at all to ascertain truth, but she outdoes herself
trumpeting the harm caused, and the children suffering.
As if the fact that children are suffering somehow proves guilt. I can't imagine anything
so ignorant.
She is a vile creature who has no contact with truth whatsoever. Does Trump not see
this at all? Perhaps he does in a dim way, but by now he is so suborned and by the Deep State
and depressed by the relentless opposition that he is probably glad no one is criticizing his
U.N. appointment at least.
Never dismiss the fool, for he wards no fear, no blame and and no trust. He sees no worth
or value and can be swayed by the most trivial things. He seeks no reward but an emotional
gratification. While these sound of a foe easily defeated the truth is oft the opposite for
your threat and presence are fallen on the senseless. If you must fight a fool you must give
him room and let hubris and frailty fight your war, otherwise, you must be swift, with out
mercy and be able to ward the madness that will ensue.
I don't know who penned that but I think it's profound.
Nikki Haley's yappings are just the barking of a dog.
She has no agency. If she sounds 'scary', it's only because she is owned by Zionist
globalist supremacists. If they ordered her to shut up and be nice to Russia and Iran, she
will obey.
She has no mind of her own. Same with Bolton the Dolton.
And she's different from Samantha Power, how? Under Obomba
Or John Bolton under Bush the Lesser?
Seems to be a tradition in the making of putting the most arrogant, rude, least
diplomatic, and aggressive person possible in the position of ambassador to the UN.
Has anybody ELSE been steady, three administrations, non-stop PUKING? Makes it clear, if
nothing else, our "humanitarian" face has peeled off, revealing the brain-eating zombie
underneath.
When you confront staunch Israel supporters with the isolation of Israel in the world, as can
be seen at UN voting, the answer is that this is because of the anti Israel Muslim bloc in
the UN.
The weird thing about jews is that with all their cleverness they're unable to see
reality.
Israel is right, the rest of the world is wrong.
Now even if this were the case, any sensible person would take reality into
consideration.
Not so idiots as Netanyahu.
When the next jewish catastrophe has happened, jews again will see how how they are the
eternal innocent victims, if then jews still will exist, as a nuclear world war is likely to
kill any human being world wide.
Already around 1953 a USA diplomat said that Israel should behave as a small ME country, in
stead of the head of an international group.
They still do not understand.
Once (Bolton) was kind of an anomaly, because, after all, it WAS Bush the Lesser.
But Nobel Peace Prize-sporting Obomba, puts in Power.
Now we got Haley.
Maybe TWICE is a co-inkydink, but this is absurd! Fucking EVERYBODY blows us away
diplomatically! Who is worse? N. Korea does some wicked TWEETS, but their diplomats are
circumspect. Ours are visibly RABID.
One of these days, someone is gonna put us out of their misery, and suck though it will,
it will be highly deserved! Afterward, perhaps humans can progress once the USA is a giant
smoking crater. Or at least D.C. Has ANYONE ever begged for it THIS bad? Ever?
Nikki Haley is THE mouthpiece of the Zionist aggressive occupation regime. She serves its
interests and acts to the detriment of the American people that have to carry the can for the
partisanship with this rogue Zionist state. President Trump should sack her before she
challenges him in the next presidential race. Haley will have the backing of the
trigger-happy Ziocon establishment and the Zionist billionaires.
Together with John Bolton, they seem like the perfect "Doomsday Couple" to bring the U.S.
down. Perhaps they are the last true believers in Zionism, the Jewish racist ideology,
although both are not Jewish. It's not surprising that Jewish and American exceptionalism are
similar in their racist beliefs.
Haley's behavior is hyperbolic, arrogant, and extremely dangerous to the reputation of the
U. S. but it seems as if she acts according to the slogan: Freely you live, if you haven't a
reputation to lose. But under the borderline Trump administration even a "un-American"
behavior, it benefits the Zionist regime, seems acceptable.
So far, all so-called chemical weapons attacks by the al-Asad government were false flag
attacks carried out either by al-Nusra, ISIS or al-Qaida terrorist organizations or by the
"White Helmets" themselves that are a so-called a terrorist affiliate organization, disguised
as paramedics, to draw the U. S. directly into the Syrian conflict.
Under Obama, they failed, and Trump made some symbolic bombings to pacify the
trigger-happy Zionist lobby. How mentally deranged Haley seems, shows her arrogant statement:
"We need to see Russia choose to side with the civilized world over an Assad government that
brutally terrorizes its people."
With which "civilized world" should Russia take sides? Does Haley mean the U. S. or the
Zionist occupation regime? The first one has slaughtered millions of people in endless wars,
the later has been subjugated another people for over 50 years and destroyed its existence.
This "civilized world" and its values are for the garbage dump.
Despite his twitter manticism, Trump was still a kind of common sense that can
differentiate between the good for America in contrast to the good for Israel for the sake of
the American people.
Noeconservatives arguably don't have enough appeal for them to get the presidency.
Unfortunately, they can still have clout as evidenced by Haley in her role and how the likes
of MSNBC and CNN uncritically praise her.
Well if she does make it to POTUS we have historical equivalence. The Dying days of the Roman
western Empire. in the mid 4th century BC. Roman Empire at this stage had two imperial
cities. one situated in ROME being hounded by the Goths and the other one in the East
Byzantium present day Istanbul. The point is in the western dying Imperial days they put as
emperor a child well Haley becomes POTUS one could only say History repeating itself. The
scary thing about all this is pax-americana is slowly dying. Recent economic figures coming
out of the west show this. All recent gains have nothing in common with industrial output.
Profits are all related to the stockmarket grandest ponzi scheme in the history of western
man.
Latest events from the Skripal imbroglio to Douma all show signs of desperation .
BY DECEPTION YOU MAY WAGE WAR.
Note the three countries that illegally bombed Syria on the sad nite of April 13th 2018 were
the exact ring leaders to the total destruction of the highest standard of living of the
African continent.
RINSE ,LATHER ,REPEAT.
Post Scriptum: It is sad and scary to see that from 1999 to this day not withstanding all the
lies that NATO and FUKUS have spewed to the world and have been exposed as such we the
sheeple can fall for the same trap.
THE WEST HAS ENTERED INTO THE WORLD OF ZOMBIES .
Critical thinking gets labelled as enemies of the state. Boy Goebbels must be so envious of
recent events.
How Orwellian our western society has become.
Another very good article by Philip Giraldi. If the US wasn't dominated by foreign agents and
roving gangs of ziocon lobbyists, Giraldi would be widely respected, considered 'mainstream',
and known to millions. But powerful forces are determined to prevent this.
What we get instead are empty suits reading scripts.
We live in an era where political extremism (aggressive war is a prime example of
extremism) has been declared 'centrist' and 'moderate'. Advocates of non-intervention are
labeled 'fringe'.
Political illusions happen. They happen by design.
Fortunately, Giraldi demonstrates a commendable ability to separate US interests from
contrived foreign agendas. This is not often done. And he does it well.
For revealing this, Giraldi and a few other daring intellectuals have been defamed as 'far
right'. Their sin? Telling the truth (to the best of their ability) about Zio-American
malfeasance in American life and on the world stage.
Their quiet exile from the corridors of political power shows how debased and unmoored our
culture has become. Giraldi's diminished status is the end-product of targeted censorship,
economic sabotage, and strategic defamation. This phenomena affects us all.
What do we get instead?–delusional sell-outs like John McCain, Lindsey Graham,
Hillary Clinton and Nikki Haley. Frauds all, including the journalists who adore them. The
corruption in America is wide and deep.
Washington's queer political values are hopelessly under the thrall of liberal
interventionists, ne0con militarists, televised war barkers, and deep state vampires. These
amoral extremists have become America's political 'establishment'.
Trump notwithstanding, the Swamp, the alphabet government agencies, the two Parties, the
major lobbies, donors, and NGOs (and of course, Big Media) are what rules America.
Average, non-organized voters have no political influence.
But it is our mainstream news and entertainment media that ultimately earns the most
responsibility for Zio-Washington's trigger-happy embrace of aggressive militarism in all
policies and instances that could affect Israel (which is virtually everything.)
This Zionist 'value' opens a very big door.
This commitment is a recipe for endless strife and intervention. Yet our media supports
it. Continuously and uniformly.
And the chief beneficiary is (you guessed it).
Incredibly, Washington spends far more time agonizing over borders and security in the
far-away shitholes (pardon the expression) than on our own southern border. Who dreamt up
this ridiculous scheme?
This level of corrupt insanity did not happen by accident.
Incredibly, if enough empty suits and talking heads repeat a myth or falsehood enough
times, it becomes 'true'. Voila! The magic of TV.
Political hallucinations and bizarre double standards become very real. Very 'true'.
The problem with being arrogant when you are on top of the world is that you are remembered
and reviled when you get knocked down a peg. The guys in the dock at Nuremburg learned that
at the end of a rope. She'll never face that sort of justice, though, because we can't lose,
right?
The lack of any coherence in policy means that the State Department now has diplomats
that do not believe in diplomacy and environment agency heads that do not believe in
protecting the environment.
But I disagree, Mr. Giraldi! Their is coherence in State policy, that is to serve the
State of Israel.
Nutty Nikki is idiotic, vindictive, hateful and very bellicose and would not hesitate to
use our kids and tax dollars to support Apartheid Israel, and is loved by multi-billionaire
Sheldon Adelson, which means she will be the next POTUS.
Haley ran for governor of SC as the "tea party" candidate. She killed the careers of a
number of would be Republican establishment politicians, which is why many voted for her. In
other words, she is a total opportunist, a classic, typical unprincipled Republican.
She has learned how to manipulate the system up to a certain point, but is too dumb to
go any further. How sad that people like Adelson are able to buy elections.
When is Trump going to prosecute Soros for conspiracy to interfere with the U.S. and other
countries?
The lack of progress on immigration can, maybe, be explained as Trump faces fierce
resistance, but Bolton, Haley, and Pompeo are unforced/forced errors, that will make it
nearly immposible for him to keep his promise of ending these stupid wars.
Better than Hillary, but more than a little disappointing.
Haley has too many skeletons in her closet to run for president. While running for SC
governorship rumors of her affair with conservative blogger Will Folks surfaced. She tried to
deny it of course, claiming to be "completely faithful" to her husband of 13 years, then Will
Folks shared text messages and frequent, lengthy middle of the night phone calls between
them, some as long as 180 minutes, all after 10pm (hey she had to put the kids to bed first):
In his latest book, Michael Wolffe claimed that Nikki Haley had an affair with Trump,
which Haley dismissed as "disgusting", one wonders if Trump took that as a compliment.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Haley is sleeping with her current "advisor" at the UN
(paid for by taxpayers btw) Jon Lerner, who she has also kindly shared with Mike Pence, one
hopes only the advising part, not the bed, but who knows.
Something tells me she's sleeping with Netanyahu as well. She sure loves her Jewish
men.
"Ambassadors" are supposed to make peace, but Trump who claimed he wanted to end all foreign
wars end up with an ambassador to the World who only wants to make wars, with everybody! She
even wanted Trump to send troops to Venezuela! Anytime Trump is within 10 ft of this mad
woman, he's talking about bombing somebody.
Was there ever any evidence that Trump considered Tulsi for Amb. to UN? Wasn't that just
goofy talk from Tulsi's fans?
I doubt she would have wanted it, anyway. Not exactly a step up, being appointed to a
position from which you could be summarily dismissed .. as opposed to an elected official
with a definite term and, other than pressure from the DNC – which she has handily
bucked – freedom to express independent views.
She is not a moron; rather smart, clever and articulate riding on the wings of the jew
to power. Immorality is her shield, no one her judge, americans a lower caste, the jew a
higher caste.
I keep wondering why Trump has not fired that know-nothing. He's not been afraid to fire
people for far less offenses against his Admin. I suspect that the Israel Lobby will not let
him, and made him hire her in the first place. She used to be a "Never-Trumper," after all.
In an otherwise fine piece, I wish that Giraldi would have opined as to why she's still
there.
Haley is a stupid, opportunistic woman who simply goes where the money is, and that is by
doing the bidding of the Zionists in USA and Israel. The author even points out that her
mentor is Zionist asswipe from the National Review Johah Goldberg's wife! She comes across as
such a stupid woman that she perhaps doesn't realize she's being brainwashed and used as a UN
mouthpiece of advance the Zionist Israeli agenda.
Nikki Haley in a nutshell: stupid; big mouth; infantile understanding of foreign affairs;
easily manipulated; will do anything for more money and attention; and a total dumbshit
sellout to Israel with zero integrity, morality, or empathy.
Well, what I'm trying to say, very sadly, is that this insufferable douchebag wench will
most likely be your next president
Does a purportedly high IQ protect one from stupidity?
High IQ signals intelligence, but not wisdom. Wisdom comes from experience, and being able
to apply your high IQ to learn from those experiences. Many high IQ people in fact lack
practical wisdom a.k.a. common sense
No doubt, it's hard especially for an ally (like me) to get under Philip Giraldi's
thick-skin, but I am compelled to try now.
Nikki Haley is just a bit-part actress similar to the talented & useful woman featured
in LeCarre's complex but educational novel "The Little Drummer Girl."
Indeed, she could become President of ZUS as could Oprah Winfrey. All originate from
Jewish Central Casting, selection.
In closing, linked below is some homegrown CENSORSHIP originating from "The Land of Milk
& Honey."
Most men don't like their trophy wives either, that is, they like them at first but the
match soon deteriorates from there. They tend to look good in the original packaging but are
way overpriced and not worth the money. Buyers remorse is the rule rather than the
exception.
to show disdain for the UN by sending yet another cartoon Exceptionalist;
factional carveups: to give the neoTrotsykites a position that they think is
meaningful;
to keep Haley out of domestic politics and too busy to properly prepare the ground
for a presidential candidacy.
There are probably others – note that none of them has anything to do with diplomacy
or international relations (except as a repudiation of the concepts).
Neither are effective at all: under both Bolton and now Haley (and "RicePower") the
US has had to increase the baksheesh it distributes around the world in order to buy
compliance and diplomatic support – they have, as a group been unable to slow the
decline of US prestige.
So the 'operational' side of things is a wash.
Bolton's preternaturally unpersuasive, because he's a grotesque parody of a human
being.
And there's where it gets interesting: there is upside risk to Haley if she were
able to Clintonise herself – by which I mean behave more like Bill , not more
like Hillary. If she was more 'aw-shucks', she would get more done (frankly I don't think
that's her aim, because like all politicians she's interested in doing things for herself,
not for her current boss).
Haley could be far more persuasive/effective because in her best moments she's quite
personable (plus she's still very pretty when she turns on the charm, which is always
a plus).
The downside is that her 'best' moments are very few and far between – she spends
most of her time with that particularly waspish hate-face so common among formerly-pretty
women who realise that their best years are behind them.
Frankly, the notion that she's a plausible presidential candidate is laughable: when the
US does eventually elect a female president, the successful candidate will be whiter than the
whitest Pilgrim.
It is beyond farcical to believe that the Republican voter base would elect a 'dusky'
woman for the highest national office: bear in mind that Haley would be repudiated ex
ante by Democrats because she's on the wrong side, and US presidential politics is almost
entirely decided by base-mobilisation.
Deep down Haley probably realises this, and that will also be a source of rancour.
How exactly are these neocon Israel apologists created, vetted, accepted?
It must be some weird ceremony that would make La Cosa Nostra look like
a Ladies Garden Club invitation.
By the way, 3,000 Palestinians weren't shot at the latest dustup.
Nimrata the neocon harpy is just one of the gifts that the 1965 immigration and
naturalization act keeps on giving. She's the Republican version of Hildabeast Clinton.
If she ever ascends to the throne in D.C. her "conservatism" will consist of militant
philo-semitism while being liberal on social policy and a warhawk on foreign policy. Hannity
will gush joyfully over her.
"Nikki Haley in a nutshell: stupid; big mouth; infantile understanding of foreign affairs;
easily manipulated; will do anything for more money and attention; and a total dumbshit
sellout to Israel with zero integrity, morality, or empathy. "
Hmmmm. A typical Trump appointee. Trump saw her qualifications and just had to have her on
his team. He sees himself in her, y'know.
To keep the bluff going, the US can't afford to push the button. End of story.
The mistake here is to talk about the "US". The "US" (as in the population of the United States), have no to say in any of this. They
voted against war but it was pointless (Trump is ramping up the pressure on Russia and Iran)
and that crowd of US "consumers" is as politically useless as it gets.
Power in the US is held by a rabid crowd of Zionist who control Congress and the media,
and THEY DECIDE what happens along the lines of "Israel First".
So your question should be, "To keep the bluff going, can Israel afford to push the (US)
button?"
The answer could well be Yes.
1) Syria and Iran would be destroyed giving Israel undisputed dominance of the Middle
East.
2) The US would be plunged into chaos and the COG (Continuity of Government) legislation
installed by Reagan would come into play. This is basically an Emergency Dictatorship run
from bunkers around the US, that the Zionists tried for on 9/11 (and failed to get) but would
certainly achieve under this new scenario.
With totalitarian control of the United States, the Zionist Neo-Bolsheviks could do what
they wanted with the remains of the US population, and who cares if 100 million Goys die in a
nuclear exchange with Russia/China (which would also conveniently be in ruins).
...President Barack Obama, who had run a quasi-antiwar liberal campaign for the White House, had embraced the assassination program
and had decreed, "the CIA gets what it wants." Intelligence budgets were maintaining the steep upward curve that had started in 2001,
and while all agencies were benefiting, none had done as well as the CIA At just under $15 billion, the agency's budget had climbed
by 56 percent just since 2004.
Decades earlier, Richard Helms, the CIA director for whom the event was named, would customarily
refer to the defense contractors who pressured him to spend his budget on their wares as "those bastards." Such disdain for commerce
in the world of spooks was now long gone, as demonstrated by the corporate sponsorship of the tables jammed into the Grand Ballroom
that evening. The executives, many of whom had passed through the revolving door from government service, were there to rub shoulders
with old friends and current partners. "It was totally garish," one attendee told me afterward. "It seemed like every arms manufacturer
in the country had taken a table. Everyone was doing business, right and left."
In the decade since 9/11, the CIA had been regularly blighted by scandal-revelations of torture, renditions, secret "black site"
prisons, bogus intelligence justifying the invasion of Iraq, ignored signs of the impending 9/11 attacks-but such unwholesome realities
found no echo in this comradely gathering. Even George Tenet, the CIA director who had presided over all of the aforementioned scandals,
was greeted with heartfelt affection by erstwhile colleagues as he, along with almost every other living former CIA director, stood
to be introduced by Master of Ceremonies John McLaughlin, a former deputy director himself deeply complicit in the Iraq fiasco. Each,
with the exception of Stansfield Turner (still bitterly resented for downsizing the agency post-Vietnam), received ringing applause,
but none more than the night's honoree, former CIA director and then-current secretary of defense Robert M. Gates.
Although Gates had left the CIA eighteen years before, he was very much the father figure of the institution and a mentor to the
intelligence chieftains, active and retired, who cheered him so fervently that night at the Ritz-Carlton. He had climbed through
the ranks of the national security bureaucracy with a ruthless determination all too evident to those around him. Ray McGovern, his
supervisor in his first agency post, as an analyst with the intelligence directorate's soviet foreign policy branch, recalls writing
in an efficiency report that the young man's "evident and all-consuming ambition is a disruptive influence in the branch." There
had come a brief check on his rise to power when his involvement in the Iran-Contra imbroglio cratered an initial attempt to win
confirmation as CIA director, but success came a few years later, in 1991, despite vehement protests from former colleagues over
his persistent willingness to sacrifice analytic objectivity to the political convenience of his masters.
Gates's successful 1991 confirmation as CIA chief owed much, so colleagues assessed, to diligent work behind the scenes on the
part of the Senate Intelligence Committee's staff director, George Tenet. In 1993, Tenet moved on to be director for intelligence
programs on the Clinton White House national security staff, in which capacity he came to know and esteem John Brennan, a midlevel
and hitherto undistinguished CIA analyst assigned to brief White House staffers. Tenet liked Brennan so much that when he himself
moved to the CIA as deputy director in 1995, he had the briefer appointed station chief in Riyadh, an important position normally
reserved for someone with actual operational experience. In this sensitive post Brennan worked tirelessly to avoid irritating his
Saudi hosts, showing reluctance, for example, to press them for Osama bin Laden's biographical details when asked to do so by the
bin Laden unit back at headquarters.
Brennan returned to Washington in 1999 under Tenet's patronage, initially as his chief of staff and then as CIA executive director,
and by 2003 he had transitioned to the burgeoning field of intelligence fusion bureaucracy. The notion that the way to avert miscommunication
between intelligence bureaucracies was to create yet more layers of bureaucracy was popular in Washington in the aftermath of 9/11.
One concrete expression of this trend was the Terrorist Threat Integration Center, known as T-TIC and then renamed the National Counter
Terrorism Center a year later. Brennan was the first head of T-TIC, distinguishing himself in catering to the abiding paranoia of
the times. On one occasion, notorious within the community, he circulated an urgent report that al-Qaeda was encrypting targeting
information for terrorist attacks in the broadcasts of the al-Jazeera TV network, thereby generating an "orange" alert and the cancellation
of dozens of international flights. The initiative was greeted with malicious amusement over at the CIA's own Counterterrorism Center,
whose chief at the time, José Rodríguez, later opined that Brennan had been trying to build up his profile with higher authority.
"Brennan was a major factor in keeping [the al-Jazeera/al-Qaeda story] alive. We thought it was ridiculous," he told a reporter.
"My own view is he saw this, he took this, as a way to have relevance, to take something to the White House." Tellingly, an Obama
White House spokesman later excused Brennan's behavior on the grounds that though he had circulated the report, he hadn't believed
it himself.
Exiting government service in 2005, Brennan spent the next three years heading The Analysis Corporation, an obscure but profitable
intelligence contractor engaged in preparing terrorist watch lists for the government, work for which he was paid $763,000 in 2008.
Among the useful relationships he had cultivated over the years was well-connected Democrat Anthony Lake, a former national security
adviser to Bill Clinton, who recommended him to presidential candidate Barack Obama. Meeting for the first time shortly after Obama's
election victory, the pair bonded immediately, with Obama "finishing Brennan's sentences," by one account. Among their points of
wholehearted agreement was the merit of a surgical approach to terrorist threats, the "need to target the metastasizing disease without
destroying the surrounding tissue," as Brennan put it, for which drones and their Hellfire missiles seemed the ideal tools. Obama
was initially balked in his desire to make Brennan CIA director because of the latter's all-too-close association with the agency's
torture program, so instead the new president made him his assistant for counterterrorism and homeland security, with an office down
the hall from the Oval Office. Two years into the administration, everyone in the Ritz-Carlton ballroom knew that the bulky Irishman
was the most powerful man in U.S. intelligence as the custodian of the president's kill list, on which the chief executive and former
constitutional law professor insisted on reserving the last word, making his final selections for execution at regularly scheduled
Tuesday afternoon meetings. "You know, our president has his brutal side," a CIA source cognizant of Obama's involvement observed
to me at the time.
Now, along with the other six hundred diners at the Helms dinner, Brennan listened attentively as Gates rose to accept the coveted
award for "exemplary service to the nation and the Central Intelligence Agency." After paying due tribute to previous honorees as
well as his pride in being part of the CIA "family," Gates spoke movingly of a recent and particularly tragic instance of CIA sacrifice,
the seven men and women killed by a suicide bomber at an agency base, Forward Operating Base Chapman, in Khost, Afghanistan, in 2009.
All present bowed their heads in silent tribute.
Gates then moved on to a more upbeat topic. When first he arrived at the Pentagon in 2007, he said, he had found deep-rooted resistance
to "new technology" among "flyboys with silk scarves" still wedded to venerable traditions of fighter-plane combat. But all that,
he informed his rapt audience, had changed. Factories were working "day and night, day and night," to turn out the vital weapons
for the fight against terrorism. "So from now on," he concluded, his voice rising, "the watchword is: drones, baby, drones!"
I challenge anyone to name a modern war prosecuted by the US government and its allies that did not involve at its root the direct
fabrication of blatant lies on enormous levels, both as a casus belli and also to manipulate public opinion in favor of
hostilities.
The clandestine activity represented by these *provocations* isn't even good spycraft. The Skripal case and the latest use
of chlorine gas in Syria are risible, clumsy, amateur attempts to wangle the empire into war that the callowest rube could see
through. And yet, it's working its magic on the media. The politicians, suborned by the war machine, give unanimous bipartisan
assent.
Saddam's WMD, Gulf of Tonkin, etc., etc. And now a ridiculous false flag attack in Syria. Did it take place at all? But the
narrative is all. The press in the USA is more effectively controlled and conformist than in Germany in the late 1930s and nobody
goes around beating up journalists or sending them to a KZ. The Syrian Gov't is winning the civil war, things are going well but
what Assad really needs is to have the crap bombed out of his military by Uncle Sam. What transparent bullshit.
I'm as irritated as anybody by Brit-chauvinism, but their eminent contribution to the
technical and philosophical foundations of modern society – from Newton and Bacon
through Locke, Smith, and Burke to Maxwell, Whitehead, and Turing – is undeniable.
Great post. The Zionist Israelis are the shit and scum of planet Earth. You cannot get any
worse than Avigdor Lieberman, Ariel Sharon (now dead thank god!), Bibi Netanyahu, etc. The
Zionists are very much like the CIA: they work secretly, scheming and planning their ugly
machinations in the shadows for selfish gain.
But seriously, Israel is arguably the most vile, hate consumed, parasitical, shithole
'country' that ever existed! Look at how it is such a massive parasite on the US taxpayer and
US government: over 2 billion in 'aid' every year, and rising! Why!? Why does Israel get this
American foreign aid, the largest foreign recipient by far, with not so much as a question
from congress?
Because fucking AIPAC has every congressman by the balls! If they don't have their tongue
deeply wedged up the collective Zionist asshole–the zionists donate massively in the
next election cycle to an obedient pro-zionist candidate to replace said thinking, reasonable
congressman. These are the facts!
Oh, and make sure to watch the youtube videos on illegal Israeli settlers in Hebron.
Fucking outrageous: these Zionist settlers make white slave holders during the Old South era
look like saints! They terrorize Palestinians, literally throwing shit, urine, vomit, molotov
cocktails, rocks, burning tires, anything that causes harm at the Arab homes. And they do it
with a sick fucked up kind of satisfaction as the IDF soldiers look on and couldn't give a
shit. And what does the US government do about this? Nothing! Not a goddamned thing is done;
in fact they provide the weapons to kill off the Palestinians. And don't forget the fucking
asshole CAT corporation, making millions selling those giant tank bulldozers to the Israeli
zionists to bulldoze Arab homes, olive trees, roads, and people! If I ever run into a CAT
employee I'm gonna kick his fucking ass!
But when [Lang] bristles that "I confess that I was unaware that this is a forum for people
who hate America," I won't be getting my hopes up too high.
That does sound like something parroted by Slumlord Hannity and other Fox News
types. What is America? Land? People? Government? If I don't like the government and its
policies (purchased by moneyed interests and non-Americans) am I an "America hater"? I lived
all my life in America. I have close relatives and immediate family who fought in wars and
immediate family buried at Arlington. How does one qualify as an America hater? Not to
genuflect to the military and their illegal and gravely immoral wars and actions? To disagree
with the neocon/neolib policies and policymakers? Policies which run counter to Christian
morality and natural law? If so then I'm an America hater in good standing.
I dislike the policies of my government as much as you appear to dislike the policies of
yours. So we're on the parallel tracks there. But it's possible to do that and still be a
patriot. That's democracy.
Democracy's not working at present, certainly not in my country and maybe not quite as
expected for all those Americans patriots who voted anti-neocon. But it's still a good idea,
democracy, wouldn't you agree?
why did the Russians allow Israel so much freedom in Syria..from the start of their Syrian
project?
I could never understand that..it seemed/seems so obviously contradictory and
counter-productive. And why is Putin ever so conscious to 'compromise' with Israel - in
Israel's favor no less..all the time?
Oh my! these things make no sense in modern reality, nor in historical perspective. the
Khazars have no reason to love Russia/Russians..indeed have every reason to hate them, and
desire to eliminate Russia/Russians. and it seems clear the 1917 Revolution turned into a
Khazar revenge for the destruction of old Khazaria with Russian collusion..not to mention the
German invasion the intent of which surely was to destroy Russia, bring whatever remaining
Russian rump to its knees in perpetual servitude..the Russian 'Fatherland' forever under rape
of its resources by the global capitalists
But this is not something I tear my hair out at the roots over. I think Putin is a fine
politician and a very smart man.. But he is still a politician. and as per the way
politicians operate, and the way Jews handle politicians and politics globally, the way Putin
behaves relative to Israel suggests the Zionists have something on him that is serious enough
to discipline his behavior in their favor..in Israels favor
Putin has no reason at all, as a real Russian patriot, charged with the protection of the
collective Russian interest, to be as conscientious, solicitous, of Israeli interest as he
is. that he is is not a good sign at all. from afar I would like to trust Putin, revere him
as the current savior of the world, but cant go all the way with him. I dearly appreciate the
fact that he appears bent on prevention of ww3. that is a globally commendable fact, one I am
sure the world appreciates
but that Russian/Israeli-Jewish thing is rather unseemly and very concerning
Why expand the war that they are winning into a bigger war that is less likely of
victory?
The Izzies have learned that their planes are no longer safe attacking from Syrian airspace,
the S-300 mean that the Izzies will no longer be safe attacking Syria from Lebanese
airspace.
From what I have read of him President Putin is a strategist as well as a Patriot.
There are still some shrinking pockets of rebellion in Syria, then there is the Turkish
acquisition of Northern Syria to unwind, slowly slowly catchee monkee.
-- Here is the terrorist camp in Turkey, run by a British officer James le Mesurier:
"James le Mesurier founded both Mayday Rescue and the White Helmets after "retiring" from the
British Army and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. Mayday Rescue's annual budget is $35
million, with the funds coming from USAID, the UK Conflict Security and Stability Fund, and
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. To date, an estimated 3,000 recruits have been through the
Mayday Rescue training programs and deployed into 120 different locations in rebel-held parts
of Syria."
-- Here is another dishonorable British officer, Paul Tilley:
"Tilley ran British government
communications during the Libya invasion, working directly out of 10 Downing Street. In
November 2014, soon after le Mesurier was founding Mayday Rescue and the White Helmets,
Tilley "retired" from the British service to found the strategic communications firm.
Incostrat provides the social media and other communications services for Mayday and
the White Helmets."
– Any Qs about le Mesurier' and Tilley' devotion to militant Islamists and fanatical
Israelis when good money is paid for the devotion??
I can think of two other important questions, what is the point of lying? and who exactly do
they think they are fooling?
Firstly it is worth saying that both sides are likely to exaggerate the effectiveness of
their systems, deliberately or otherwise. Let us start with the US claim of 100%
effectiveness of their weapons system and 0% of the Syrian/Russian systems, this is plainly
nonsense. Even with no air defences at all a certain number of malfunctions would be expected
to happen. The Syrian/Russian claims are also likely to be wrong, many of the claimed
intercepts were just as likely to be malfunctions.
So what is the point of lying?
First off, a reputation for unreliability is bad for sales, pure and simple. Nobody is
going to be enthusiastic about spending large amounts of money on stuff that doesn't work
very well, this would apply equally to both sides.
Secondly, the appetite of the general public for war in general and superpower
confrontation in particular is going to be somewhat diminished if it is perceived that the
other side is technologically equal or even superior. This factor is logically going to be
more important to the side likely to initiate conflict.
So who do they think they are fooling?
Potential customers for weapons systems are usually not going to be naive enough to take
the manufacturers claims at face value, they are likely to employ their own experts to assess
the various claims. They will not be completely immune to deception of course.
Each other. Neither side would want their opponents to have the best information
available, for obvious reasons. It is notable that both sides appear to have declined to
fully commit their latest equipment, the Russians in particular. It is likely that both sides
have reasonably good intelligence on what happened, neither side is likely to be fooled
easily.
The general public are the most obvious targets of deception and the most easily fooled.
It is one thing to risk a superpower conflict when your population in general is confident
that you have a clear technological edge and are likely to escape the worst. It would be
quite another matter to get the public on board if they believed they were up against a more
or less equal opponent and were likely to get thoroughly nuked. Once again this logic applies
far more strongly to the side likely to initiate a conflict for they are the ones who must
manufacture consent. For this reason it would appear that the Russians have somewhat less
motivation to lie than their US counterparts.
They lie because they can and after lying their pathetic lives away they are not even
aware that they are lying. Hilary can fall down the steps in front of hundreds of cameras and
lie that she did not fall. Joe Biden can lie to a reporter that he graduated number one in
his law class and totally ignore the school records that he graduated in the bottom of his
law class.
"... The "attack" on Syria had two purposes: a saving of face, and a disposal of old ordnance. ..."
"... I suspect that only Israel had any real interest in saving the face of their hired boogeyman. Trump being a flunky of Israeli, he did what he had to do. ..."
At the same time it is clear that there was an understanding between the governments to
insure that Russian red lines were not crossed. The evidence for the Douma gas attack is
non-existent. The film evidence has now been thoroughly de-bunked as part of the information
operations (propaganda) of the White Helmets scheme funded by the Saudis and largely conducted
by the UK info warriors of 77 Regiment. It seems clear that US DoD was not privy to that IO
project and for that Reason SECDEF Mattis was blind-sided by the deception. The struck targets
(successful or not) have long been known to the US IC as facilities of the former Syrian
Government chemical warfare programs. The Russians were told to stay out of those areas and so
a reasonable compromise was made with a president easily fooled by social media and under heavy
pressure by a population equally easy to deceive.
Nevertheless, most of the missiles failed and that failure must be dealt with.
Col. Pat Lang at his best -- explaining how military systems and strategies work.
But Lang wrote: "It seems clear that US DoD was not privy to that IO project and for
that Reason SECDEF Mattis was blind-sided by the deception."
That would not have happened if Mattis -- and Trump -- included Phil Giraldi and Unz
forum, as well as Lang's own SST in their daily intelligence diet.
Phil Giraldi exposed the White Helmets almost a year ago --
and for Eva Bartlett's on-the-scenes coverage of White Helmets activities in Syria.
The Corbett Report can be found on the Unz Forum. Corbett painstakingly deconstructed a
Guardian hit-piece on Beeley, Bartlett and Tim Anderson, reproducing the emails in which the
Guardian journo accused those independent correspondents of collusion with a Russian
propaganda effort
Unz Forum also hosts the Jimmy Dore show which amplified a corporate-media interviews of
Jeffrey Sachs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk
, who told (what is presumably) a large audience that US has been engaged in the deliberate
destabilization of Syria and killing of Syrian citizens since at least 2012, (and that it
should STOP!);
False flags, needed, on both sides. In the West that means catching of-handed the media,
all media, all alternative media, by infusing lies, firehosing bloat, short attention span
snippets to decoy and on, nothing yet invented to the rescue. That seems to work still, since
the public still baits the flying dung, a given, and the scribes and editors, the graphically
endowed complying.
Military back and forth, "arena" sports, pro-wresling, nothing more, nothing much. The
better teams can as well play video games to see who "wins". War is essentially obsolete,
makes the superstructures of the war machines on all sides obsolete. The main reason is
environmental toxicity which blows back with a vengeance, war having no impact on population
numbers, war having an impact on migration numbers and directions though. The migration
effects of local wasteland wars seems to be interpreted by dumb elites globally as
desirable(herding and how to herd large numbers of humanoids), a learning experiment. Our
guess, in the long term, an unefficient weapon.
The information interchanges, essentially deciding on the rules of the local experiment,
of the major players, open up views on how a global elite can function. For now in the early
stages, but since global rule is unavoidable, an encouraging phenomenon.
The back country, our "gens de rien", our "deplorables" yet do not, will never, understand
what is driving their sorry asses. The middle class of "shepherd dogs" tow the line of the de
facto power, no independent thinking to be expected. The internet is as obfuscating as the
printed press and TV ever was. Give or take, seventy percent of it ignorance of
writer-editors, thirty percent of incapacitation to see anything but career and individual
interests in the short term.
Technology(hard and soft, as they go together) has been wrestled from the hands of
independent players, the major example being Asssange, who had an impact on the exact
granular outliers, where it matters, and has been put aside silently by the ones, the only
ones that should be grateful and could have had an impact on using chaos of the masses,
globally, to counter the dummer, short-term policies of the elites, and pressure for faster
and cleaner global rule. The middle class as a whole sucks up to power, they have done so
always historically.
In all, the world goes well, the Chinese are ahead, the Russians and most independant
power nuclei(Iran, Brasil(fell of the wagon), Turkey, most of Asia), now align themselves
regarding systemic thinking. Nationalism of course is dead most local elites know this, even
in the US, and probably Putin, the overt advertising to the Russians just a decoy. Sunny
Islam has no rational stategy, and in the short term, bets everything on breeding.
Consumerism(dead man walking), has truly dumbed down the masses globally, regarless of
other factors. It has been the biggest success of capitalism Western style. Again the world
goes well for having global rule act more decisively, where it matters, to step up local
experiments into global strategy, in the long term.
The main problem to be addressed, since it affects all other burning issues, as ecological
toxicity, and on, by reinforcing these positive tendencies. One single person less, has at
least a fifty percent larger impact than any other measure of redress on survival of the
human race per individual. The local experiments of global attitudes hopefully are a start to
smarter elites behaviour. Our elites have failed for a long time now, anything progress has
been a detour to decay and sludge, and timeliness is pressing.
I think you mean 77th Brigade (a propaganda and psi ops unit).
The 77th Regiment were the East Middlesex -- and were disbanded in 1881.
BTW, the 77th Brigade takes its number from the Chindits -- Orde Wingate's Indian Army
special operations unit, who carried out deep penetration raids against the Japanese in
Burma.
Wingate was a rather fanatical Zionist and helped set-up the Haganah, the precedecessors
of the IDF.
My inclination has been to believe the Russian side from quite early on, mostly on the basis
that the claimed US targeting spread simply doesn't seem credible. To aim 76 missiles and
guided bombs at the Barzeh "complex" seems ludicrous overkill, for a small group of basically
civilian buildings that once were part of the chemical weapons program but according to
recent OPCW inspections are no longer in use as such. The spread suggested by the Russians,
on the other hand, seems much more credible for a punitive strike, especially if you assume
the US did not expect Syrian only defences to work effectively and thus did not plan for much
redundancy.
As this becomes more widely accepted, it makes the US action in Syria much less of a
defeat for Russia (because they had to stand by and watch their ally get pummelled) and much
closer to something that is actually a win for Russia and an embarrassment for the US. It all
helps to push the credibility of Russian air defences to still higher levels.
If the Russian government goes through with the suggested plan to deliver the promised
S300 systems to Syria in response, then this will have been a major defeat for those behind
this shameful incident and this shameful war -- primarily the Israelis and US Israeli lobby,
along with the Saudis. Doing so would be the absolute best way to make those behind the
attack grind their teeth in frustration, so hopefully Russia will go through with it this
time rather than coming to some "compromise" with Israel.
At some point, Russia needs to end the impunity Israel has to strike at Syria at will, and
to declare an exclusion zone over the whole of Syria for all un-invited foreign air forces
(ideally this would include a deal with Lebanon to allow that country also to exclude Israeli
air operations from its own airspace). The need to rebuild Syria is endlessly hampered by
regular attacks and the threat of them. Once the recovery of territory on the ground is
complete or nearly so, the best way to do this would seem to be to first make the Syrian air
defences, backed up by Russian forces in extremis, strong enough for the task. Then to
authorise the Syrians to retaliate to Israeli strikes on a tit for tat basis with missile
attacks on Israeli territory. Then to announce a full exclusion of US and other intruding air
forces, perhaps in conjunction with an offensive to recover territories in the east after
Idlib has been settled.
Imo this is what the Russians need to do if they are to bring the Syrian matter to a
successful conclusion, but it will mean some more tense confrontations with the various US
sphere forces.
Mr. Lang sounds like Mr. Buchanan in his latest piece published here: someone who considers
himself dissident, but who thoughtlessly accepts that his Uncle Sam is the good guy.
The article, especially this paragraph
"The US has been committed to global war for seventeen years. This has been a special kind
of war waged against Islamist guerrillas and terrorists worldwide. Such a war often demands
equipment quite different from that used against states, especially a peer state. In that
context relatively scarce funds have not been devoted to product improvement on things like
TLAM (Tomahawk). Instead the funds available have been devoted to UAVs (drones) and the
incredible costs of large ground forces in the absence of conscription. The Obama
Administration liked to use the armed forces but did not think of them with anything like the
high priority it gave to its social programs. The resulting sequester of defense funding
played a role in the decline of US equipment efficacy against that of the Russians. There
will be a change in that funding."
begs some questions:
1. Does Mr. Lang support the attack on the alleged "Syrian government chemical warfare
connected sites"? He sounds like he does. But why?
2. Does Mr. Lang support US military conscription? He sounds like he does. But why?
3. Does Mr. Lang believe that more money should be spent on US military equipment like
Tomahawk missiles for use against the government forces of Syria and Russia? He sounds like
he does. But why?
I also wonder why Mr. Unz sees this new author as "interesting, important, and
controversial," with a "perspectiv[e] largely excluded from the American mainstream
media."
and for Eva Bartlett's on-the-scenes coverage of White Helmets activities in Syria.
Is the Trump Administration/DoS trying to gaslight us?
US State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert yesterday: we "are very grateful for all
the work the White Helmets continue to do.. on behalf of the US government and coalition
forces.. I just exchanged emails with them the other day peoples bills are still being
paid..'
Maybe there is another possibility.
Merely speculating.
Mr. Trump claims he sent 100 plus missiles to impress whoever he needs to impress. They are
satisfied. He looks tough.But he sends in only 20.
The Russians claim he sent in 100 and they nullified 2/3. They look good.
If 2/3 of 100 were nullified, should there not be more random craters with missile remnants
or duds recovered by the Syrians?
Why would you want our missiles to work against the Russians? This debacle has given us at
least another six months of relative peace. The SAA can now continue clearing out jihadist in
the East. FUKUS won't try again after making some adjustments to harden the electronics, but
that will take some time. The only other option would be an overwhelming attack, winning
through sheer numbers, but in that case the Russians will certainly counterattack, & I
don't think CENTCOM wants to find out first hand how effective Russian offensive missiles
systems are.
Note: If I were to guess, the Tomahawk attack was almost completely neutralized. It was
the B-1, firing at relatively close range, that scored the hit on the "chemical weapons
complex." This is why the Russians are sending the S-300 to Damascus.
If Russia declared Syria an exclusion zone Israel would call that bluff within
weeks.
Presumably it wouldn't be a bluff, and presumably the need for it not to be a bluff is why
the Russians haven't done it yet.
In that theater of operations the Israelis would absolutely massacre the Russian
presence and any reinforcements. Israel would easily take apart any integrated air defense
system and accompanying ground units the Russians could employ by combined commando raid,
ground incursion and air/missile strikes.
This appears to be pure fantasy.
Regardless, Israel isn't going to go to war with Russia merely to defend its freedom to
attack Syria any time it wants. For all the wailing by Israel advocates, it just isn't that
important to them. So long as they can get away with it, they'll do it. When they are forced
to stop, they'll stop.
I believe if Israel sees its existence threatened it will act decisively.
Israel's existence is not meaningfully threatened by the loss of their ability to launch
illegal attacks on Syria at will. The idea that it is, is a lie put about by the Israel lobby
to rationalise and justify its actions.
Is the Trump Administration/DoS trying to gaslight us?
LOL. Why, yes, now that you mention it. Quelle surprise , eh?
The "attack" on Syria had two purposes: a saving of face, and a disposal of old
ordnance.
I suspect that only Israel had any real interest in saving the face of their hired
boogeyman. Trump being a flunky of Israeli, he did what he had to do.
Old ordnance or semi-0ld, revenue must be generated for the MI-complex. The bigger it
grows, the more maintenance it requires. Disposal of old weaponry is just a form of cashflow.
The wealthy and powerful insist on remaining wealthy and powerful. Your money is required to
maintain that wealth and power. You will surrender your money to the powerful, or you will
die. A simple equation.
New air defense systems will soon be delivered to Damascus
the Syrian Defense Ministry "analyzed in detail" the results of the missile attack of
the United States and its allies.
"Based on it, a number of changes have already been introduced into the air defense
system of the country, which will further increase its reliability ," Rudskoy said.
While the air defense systems were not named, it is widely believed to be the S-300
system.
The latest Syria bombing: tactically irrelevant, it showed the foundation of the
F.UK.US-Israel empire, air power, ineffective and was a major strategic defeat.
Trump shouda put that McMahon wrestling lady in the propaganda department,
shes pretty good at convincing 50 year old adults that wrestling is real.
Americans just aren't buying what these idiots are trying to sell us with these chemical
attacks by the brutal dicktaters.
I'm honestly confused by the stupidity lately, either Trump is a genius or he is the dumbest
person on the planet.
The totally insane actions of these morons lately is waking people up in massive numbers, is he
doing it intentionally? Like a call for help or something? Trying to show us who is really
behind all this this crap? (Israel)
Because if he isn't, thats exactly what its doing.
"A very senior civilian colleague in DIA once asked me why sophisticated weapons so often
malfunction or are otherwise defeated. I told her that it was simply a fact of life that in
actual warfare "whatever can go wrong, will go wrong." She resolutely stated that this should
not be. "The manufacturers guarantee that they will work as advertised," she insisted. "
Another reason we can't win wars and we get into wars we shouldn't. Senior officials that
naive and uninformed about warfare.
Lockheed Martin got $35.2 billion from taxpayers last year. That's more than many
federal agencies.
Of Lockheed Martin's $51 billion in sales last year, nearly 70 percent, or $35.2
billion, came from sales to the U.S. government. It's a colossal figure, hard to
comprehend.
Boeing is in second place with annual sales of $26.5 billion in 2016, a year in which
the top five defense contractors -- including General Dynamics, Raytheon and Northrop
Grumman -- had total sales of nearly $110 billion to the U.S. government, according to
federal procurement data. The five biggest defense contractors took in more money from the
U.S. government than the next 30 companies combined.
But no one can touch Lockheed, the manufacturer of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The
company is so big that some have likened it to a government agency and have quipped that
Marillyn Hewson, Lockheed's chief executive, is as powerful as a Cabinet secretary -- or
higher. When she gives her annual state of the company speeches, flanked by a pair of flags
-- one American, one with the company logo -- she looks, well, presidential.
In 2013, Marine Corps Gen. Jim Mattis, now the secretary of defense, told Congress, "If
you don't fully fund the State Department, then I need to buy more ammunition."
Analysts say that to make the Lockheed-Martin Marietta merger successful, the new
company will have to slash thousands of jobs.
" This merger can't create more revenue. It can only pay off through reduced
costs , and that means people" will be laid off, said Robert D. Paulson, who heads the
aerospace industry practice for the consulting firm McKinsey & Co. in Los Angeles.
--
Norman Augustine was the focus of the article and head of the merged companies who was
expected to wield the "scalpel" in order make the merger financially viable.
Over the years I'd done some research on Augustine, so when I saw a video of Augustine
schmoozing with George W. Bush at the Cosmos Club celebrating Bush's inauguration early in
2001, I thought, Uh oh, the game's afoot.
Cutting staff simply was not producing the revenue stream Lockheed Martin needed to
support lavish lifestyles that even LM weapons sellers enjoyed, particularly when their major
clients were based in TelAviv, requiring visits of 5 to 8 months' duration.
"... I agree Trump is an Israeli Flunky, but he likes Missile Strikes, so I think the Missile Strike, his second on Syria, was as much his idea as it was Israel's. It makes for great Optics. It makes Trump, in his Twisted Mind at least, look Big & Strong throwing Rocks at Toddlers in their Playpens. ..."
I suspect that only Israel had any real interest in saving the face of their hired
boogeyman. Trump being a flunky of Israeli, he did what he had to do.
I agree Trump is an Israeli Flunky, but he likes Missile Strikes, so I think the
Missile Strike, his second on Syria, was as much his idea as it was Israel's. It makes for
great Optics. It makes Trump, in his Twisted Mind at least, look Big & Strong throwing
Rocks at Toddlers in their Playpens.
Some of you do not understand the degree of compartmentation in government. It is nothing
like a monolith. The WHs are largely funded by USAID which is part of State Department, and
administered by the UK. There is no particular reason why Mattis would know much about it. It
is possible that Trump doesn't know much about it.
If Mattis didn't know about it, then he should have done and likewise with Trump.
Ignorance of the hard facts by either of these men is scarcely believable and even if true
would be totally inexcuseable.
"Lange didn't support the strike but he saw it as the best of a lot of bad options."
Better than the option of allowing a real investigation?
At the crucial moment, Lang published the following on his website. More than likely it
was seen by Mattis:
An appeal to James Mattis
I beseech you, sir, to consider the possibility that the supposed chlorine gas attack at
Douma, Syria may have been a carefully constructed propaganda fraud on the part of the
rebels encircled in Douma. Such a fraud would have as its purpose the elicitation of
exactly the kind of response that we are seeing in the Western media. The rebels have been
defeated in East Gouta Their fighters and families are being evacuated to Turkish occupied
Jarabulus by air-conditioned bus. How would it benefit the Syrian government to make such
an attack in this situation?
I hope that you will determine the exact facts of what occurred at Douma before any
action is taken.
I recommend that you send someone competent to Syria to make an on the ground
investigation.
If Mattis didn't know about it, then he should have done and likewise with Trump.
Ignorance of the hard facts by either of these men is scarcely believable and even if true
would be totally inexcuseable.
It were wise to consider that Mattis' access to information might be being impeded –
actively and/or passively – by the NeoCon bitter enders installed during the previous
administrations, people who believe that it is their job to do so. (We have been seeing this
very thing from the bitter enders at the FBI and the "Justice" departments in their plotting
against the new administration, yes? So you have an example of that right in front of your
eyes.)
With that understanding, and given Col. Lang's likely experience of this sort of
obstruction by hostile underlings, his appeal to Mattis might be seen as an admonition to dig
a little deeper, & to press his underlings about their truthfulness. So, Mattis could
indeed be misinformed, and precisely because of the compartmentalization that you accede.
Hence the letter going hand in hand with his worries about active and/or passive obstruction
in access to vital information, or the existence of contrary intelligence and
interpretation.
it's a wonder there's anything left of this country at all.
spiritually, there isn't
just as morally, the ZUSA is a dead husk. This country has absolutely zero credibility or
standing in the world anymore. All they've got is a military they can use to menace and bully
the rest of the planet into submission. Which is a specialty of the Clintons.
It's wasn't just the Branch Dravidians who were burned alive (no doubt to the cackling of
the war hag), or just Gadhafi who was murdered by her sub-human orcs, but this man also had
his country illegally bombed and was dragged off to a mock kangaroo court until he was given
a chance to speak, whereupon he humiliated his tormentors
the reason I post this image of the hag is to remind readers of what the alternative to Trump
actually was.
Fred likes to fulminate over all things Trump (and us Deplorables – calling us 'gas
station louts, and much worse ; ), for his own dubious agenda (biological warfare ; ), but
the fact remains that even as Trump adopts all the traits of a neocon war pig, and always has
been an egotistical and superficial man, he's still a gazillion times to the n'th power
preferable to the gorgon war hag.
For all of Trump's many foibles and failings, he isn't the root cause of all the things
Fred is lambasting in this article. Rather it's the ((deepstate)) that Trump has made a
devil's bargain with, which does not change with presidents. If we're ever to prevent the
looming war with Russia, then it would behoove us to look behind the curtain at the fiend
pulling the levers. Talking about Trump, as if he's the cause of it all, is like being
enthralled over the theatrics of the wizard of Oz.
This is all about hamster herding, as neoliberalism in is crisis both domestically and
internationally.
Notable quotes:
"... Whoever wrote Trump's speech for him -- he obviously cannot put together two sentences with dependent clauses without wandering onto the far shores of incoherence -- worked the moral-outrage pump hard. The gas attack, by whomever made, killed, eeek, squeak, seventy civilians and little children. More hamster-herding: git along little furry dogies. On many days in the Mid-East, the United States has killed more civilians than all the gas attacks real or invented in the entire war. The pilots, unprincipled as are all military men, know they are doing it, and don't care. They get paid for their humanitarianism. By us. ..."
"... Assad had won his war and had no need of gassing a few civilians. He would have to know that it would give Washington a pretext for an attack. Which it did. Is Assad so foolish? ..."
"... Similarly with the poisoning of what's-his-spy and his daughter. Russia had nothing to gain and a great deal to lose, as we have seen. It is one thing to believe Mr. Putin capable of bad things. To believe him stupid is quite another. Note that Theresa May became hysterical before it was established that Russia did it, which has still not been established. The orchestrated expulsion of Russian diplomats by all the vassal states, also before anything definitive had been determined, was just too cute. ..."
"... Who had anything to gain by the gaseous adventurism Answer: The American Empire -- not America, not Americans -- and Israel. Both are desperate to keep Syria from surviving. Note that Washington has a history of lying the country into wars. The Maine in 1898, the Gulf of Tonkin, the imaginary WMD in Gulf I. Plus ca change, plus ca doesn't. ..."
"... Because the Empire's hegemony over the Mid-East, Asia, and the world weakens. The Empire totters. Syria is at the heart of the looming demise. ..."
"... If -- when -- America leaves, Pakistan will become an economic client state of China, without a shot being fired. Afghanistan will quickly follow as China invests in its minerals. This is why Washington cannot leave. ..."
"... Washington's approach to hegemony is military, relying on bombing and economic sanctions. This requires huge military expenditures that cripple the domestic economy and produces countless countries that would break with America if they could. By contrast, China's approach is economic, smarter and much cheaper. ..."
"... "Get ready Russia, missiles will be coming at Syria, nice and new and 'smart'!" This is not adult language. It is the taunting of a twelve-year-old. Nya hnya nya! Yet it is classic Trump. This man has absolute power to launch wars whose consequences we will have to bear. Is this not splendid? ..."
"... The strangest thing with Syria is how obsessed the Empire is with destroying it. Various reasons are given such as Israel, gas pipelines, and containing Iran. At the end of the day I think it's primarily psychological. The Empire is outraged that the Assman dares to resist. ..."
"... As to "hamster herding", include "media herding", consenting and dissenting alike. The main reasons for the latter are "bread" writing, and real "believes" of ignorance. Seems the layer, includes second tier politicians, "public intellectuals" alike. A case of "garbage in, garbage out" and a secondary condition of individual middle class jockeying. ..."
"... As to the choice of what can be called "military capitalism" of the US, it has no longer any other options, contrary to Russia and China. Give or take a single percentage point or two, there must be some insiders that fully understand that the global system of economics is now running into the wall, there is no solution to that. Neither is there a venue-way for China, or Russia, economically, outside of global consent. They might have a few cycles more of trade, cleaning the plate, which they choose to do, what looks admirable in the short term to many, but ultimately will equally grind to a standstill. ..."
"... the elites depend on the loot provided by enormous military budgets, and sanctions they can work around .Historically, empires are rarely allowed to shrink until the home country is completely bankrupt. ..."
Only three weapons of mass destruction exist: Nuclear explosives, artillery, and aerial
bombing. Think Dresden, Hiroshima, Guernica, Falluja.
Two: Whoever wrote Trump's speech for him -- he obviously cannot put together two
sentences with dependent clauses without wandering onto the far shores of incoherence -- worked
the moral-outrage pump hard. The gas attack, by whomever made, killed, eeek, squeak, seventy
civilians and little children. More hamster-herding: git along little furry dogies. On many
days in the Mid-East, the United States has killed more civilians than all the gas attacks real
or invented in the entire war. The pilots, unprincipled as are all military men, know they are
doing it, and don't care. They get paid for their humanitarianism. By us.
Three: Something smells. The use of toxins, either by Assad in Syria or by Russia in West
Pakistan -- England, I meant, England -- makes no sense. Assad had won his war and had no
need of gassing a few civilians. He would have to know that it would give Washington a pretext
for an attack. Which it did. Is Assad so foolish?
Similarly with the poisoning of what's-his-spy and his daughter. Russia had nothing to
gain and a great deal to lose, as we have seen. It is one thing to believe Mr. Putin capable of
bad things. To believe him stupid is quite another. Note that Theresa May became hysterical
before it was established that Russia did it, which has still not been established. The
orchestrated expulsion of Russian diplomats by all the vassal states, also before anything
definitive had been determined, was just too cute.
Hamster herding.
Four: Who had anything to gain by the gaseous adventurism Answer: The American Empire --
not America, not Americans -- and Israel. Both are desperate to keep Syria from surviving. Note
that Washington has a history of lying the country into wars. The Maine in 1898, the Gulf of
Tonkin, the imaginary WMD in Gulf I. Plus ca change, plus ca doesn't.
Five: Syria is of no importance, at all, to America or Americans. It has nothing America
wants or needs. It poses no danger to America. It is somewhere else. This lack of vital
interest to America it shares with North Korea, Afghanistan, the Ukraine, the Crimea, the South
China Sea, and all the other places where the Empire looks for war. Then why does Washington
risk nuclear war by accident with Russia, which also poses no danger to America?
Because the Empire's hegemony over the Mid-East, Asia, and the world weakens. The Empire
totters. Syria is at the heart of the looming demise.
Things go badly, Empire-wise. Start with the war on Afghanistan, now creeping toward its
third decade, and neighboring Pakistan. China invests heavily in infrastructure in Pakistan:
The Karakoram Highway, the Karachi reactors, the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, the IP
pipeline, Guadar. If -- when -- America leaves, Pakistan will become an economic client
state of China, without a shot being fired. Afghanistan will quickly follow as China invests in
its minerals. This is why Washington cannot leave.
Afghanistan borders Iran, which Washington maintains as an enemy at the behest of Israel.
Iran borders Iraq, wrecked by the United States and sharing a religion with Iran. Without the
threat of American military power, it could easily align itself with Iran and Asia. In Syria,
Assad seems to have won unless the Empire doubles or triples down. Thus the contrived gassing
of children and Trump's missile attack. Turkey balances between east and west, and could easily
decide that Asia is the future.
The Empire totters, wounded and dangerous.
Six: Washington's approach to hegemony is military, relying on bombing and economic
sanctions. This requires huge military expenditures that cripple the domestic economy and
produces countless countries that would break with America if they could. By contrast, China's
approach is economic, smarter and much cheaper. It is China's Belt and Road Initiative to
integrate all of Eurasia into one huge trading block, excluding guess who, that has the Empire
in a panic. How do you bomb a trade agreement?
Seven: Russia and China have adult leadership. Putin and Xi are stable, intelligent, and
competent. Their interests are not Washington's and they will do whatever is in the interest of
their countries, but they are not stupid, ignorant, weak, juvenile, or crazy. By contrast,
Trump is a loon, ignorant of practically everything, mentally chaotic, and easily modified.
"Get ready Russia, missiles will be coming at Syria, nice and new and 'smart'!" This is
not adult language. It is the taunting of a twelve-year-old. Nya hnya nya! Yet it is
classic Trump. This man has absolute power to launch wars whose consequences we will have to
bear. Is this not splendid?
At this stage in the game I'm not one to ramble about "3D Chess", but I get the sense that
Trump's tweeting was intended to warn Putin and thus deescalate. Of course on the flip
side we have (uncomfirmed) reports that Trump and his bloodthirsty NSC chair Fox Bolton were
arguing for a bigger attack than the generals would agree to.
If nothing else it's quite clear that any effort to withdraw from Syria simply immediately
results in a false flag attack. Even if chemical weapons were as awful as is supposed (I
agree with Mr. Reed), that doesn't make it relevant to American interests.
The strangest thing with Syria is how obsessed the Empire is with destroying it.
Various reasons are given such as Israel, gas pipelines, and containing Iran. At the end of
the day I think it's primarily psychological. The Empire is outraged that the Assman dares to
resist. `
"Note that Washington has a history of lying the country into wars. The Maine in 1898 ..":
add the War of 1812. In fact, presumably add all other American wars until, I suppose, WWII.
And even then the US severely provoked Japan, though it seems to me that the blame for the
war was Japan's: even the perfidious Yanks couldn't force her to behave with such reckless
idiocy in the Pacific.
Re: "It serves nicely, however, to alarm publics with minds of low voltage."
In 1958, I still believed that there was a significant intellectual difference between the
American bourgeosie and the cattle one sees peering between the slats of large trucks as they
contentedly munch hay on their way to the abattoir.
That was owing to the public's colossal ignorance of its history, its predatory character,
and its total faith in the national myths of manifest destiny, etc.
The percentage of gas casualties who died as a result of their wound was much lower than
for injuries inflected by other means (shell splinters, explosives, bullets). Taking
countermeasures against chemical attacks is possible. To be effective, gas usually has to be
delivered by the ton, usually by artillery. Nerve gas is much deadlier, but also very tricky
to use.
Not advocating gas warfare, but it's not a death ray.
In the whole of the Unz sphere, the only article that makes sense of Syria pot-shots, by
adhering to a necessary global scope.
Irrelevant. Trump is a punching bag, that is as much as Obama was a surfboard, these
figureheads are actors, better or worse. Putin, Xi, do matter, Putin harnessed a streamlined
decision making nucleus out of chaos internally, it again gave meaning to the mention of
"Russia". Xi probably does matter, we do not know, neither of us were able to observe one or
the other. What matters is that there is rational coherence in both systems, China and
Russia. Because of infighting, the West looks ridiculously bloated, and stumbling.
As to "hamster herding", include "media herding", consenting and dissenting alike. The
main reasons for the latter are "bread" writing, and real "believes" of ignorance. Seems the
layer, includes second tier politicians, "public intellectuals" alike. A case of "garbage in,
garbage out" and a secondary condition of individual middle class jockeying.
As to the choice of what can be called "military capitalism" of the US, it has no
longer any other options, contrary to Russia and China. Give or take a single percentage
point or two, there must be some insiders that fully understand that the global system of
economics is now running into the wall, there is no solution to that. Neither is there a
venue-way for China, or Russia, economically, outside of global consent. They might have a
few cycles more of trade, cleaning the plate, which they choose to do, what looks admirable
in the short term to many, but ultimately will equally grind to a standstill.
Our take,
globally, there is some consensus about above, in minimal, stealthy cycles, and the
situation in Syria today is to be seen as a proverbial napkin sketch of the architect of
project global government. Putin was degraded in his status, his error, to propagate
nationalistic posing on the world scene, was offensive to the project of world rule. He got
away with a warning and loss of face.
There was, and is, to be seen some experimenting with method (stealth outside the public
view), timeliness and international consent. That is hopeful, if one can get from a pot-shot,
and not firing back, to addressing the real problems of the world, all and every, only
solvable by global consent, and in a timely manner, Syria must be seen as a hopeful
experiment of "global collegiate" ruling.
If "real" war, not policing, "real" major shifts of riches, from finite, generational
elites to abhorrent masses of commoners and ridiculous attitudes middle classes, results, we
humbly retract. The crest of the wave will have an undercurrent: even worse conditions
applied to the number of human under-classes, even temporarily more wastelands created, but
adhering to collegiate global consent, and sold to the masses as a prime Hollywood style
production. That is what the elites seem to strive for.
The important element is they seem to grasp, as only sub-group of humanity, that they are
condemned to one another, the "chevalier seul" attitudes are projections to the public.
Indeed, the people want it very much But the elites depend on the loot provided by
enormous military budgets, and sanctions they can work around .Historically, empires are
rarely allowed to shrink until the home country is completely bankrupt.
"... Yeah. Sociopath. Gives me the shivers. Bill is the same, but conceals it better. I mean, WTF, the guy had state troopers bringing him any pussy he spotted on his lunch break. ..."
Yeah. Sociopath. Gives me the shivers. Bill is the same, but conceals it better. I mean,
WTF, the guy had state troopers bringing him any pussy he spotted on his lunch break.
Jesus,
the rejects this country brings to the White House it's a wonder there's anything left of
this country at all.
To he contrary, all of the Pearl Harbor hearings were meant to protect Marshall and Stark,
and use Kimmel and Short as scapegoats. As such, all of them were cover ups.
In order to find someone who was willing to lay the USA fleet ready for destruction in the
mouse trap Pearl Harbour FDR had to jump 50 promotion places. Kimmel sent the three essential
aircraft carriers on exercise shortly before the attack. So, in my opinion, Kimmel knew quite
well what was coming.
What the hearings were meant for I do not know, as I'm not a mind reader. In any case,
there was no cover up: Harry Elmer Barnes, ed., 'Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, A
critical examination of the foreign policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and its aftermath',
Caldwell, Idaho, 1953 The introduction of the book makes clear how to suppress the truth.
What Freedland and others are advocating is illegal. They have no moral or legal
authority.
For the avoidance of any doubt or confusion, attacking a foreign country without legal
basis under international law represents the "supreme international crime". The launching
of an "aggressive war" is the "supreme crime" because it is the overarching offense which
contains within itself "the accumulated evil of the whole" (e.g. rape, torture, murder,
mass murder, ethnic cleansing, etc).
People were tried, convicted and hung at Nuremberg for the crime of waging wars of
aggression (as well as crimes against humanity).
Regardless of how unpalatable we may find it, even the verified use of chemical weapons
-be they by state or non-state actors - is not a legal basis to attack a country, any
country.
As Phyllis Bennis, Fellow and Director of the New Internationalism Project at the
Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C., clearly explained (following the last
alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government, and subsequent military strike on
the Syrian air base ordered by President Trump):
"The UN Charter is very vague about a lot of things, but it's very clear about one
thing, and that is, when is it legal to go to war? When is it legal to use a military
strike? There's only two occasions according to the UN Charter The UN Charter says, "A
country can use military force under two circumstances: Number one, if the Security Council
authorizes it." Number two, Article 51 of the UN Charter, which is about self-defence. But
it's a very narrowly constrained version of self-defence It says very explicitly, "If a
country has been attacked." "until the Security Council can meet, immediate self-defence is
allowed." Neither of those two categories applied here. So, it was clearly an illegal
act."
Trump strangely immature twits on Douma attack disqualify his as a statesman.
Notable quotes:
"... the strike has been definitely an act of aggression against a sovereign state despite an objection of a permanent SC member, namely Russia. ..."
"... Now the gates of hell are open, international law has been demolished, and this happened because Putin agreed to accommodate Trump's strike, said Ivashov. ..."
"... I'd consider that a good conclusion of the fictional chemical weapons story. The story has fallen to pieces altogether, anyway. The poisoning of Skripal ended with the old spy in good health; with Boris Johnson being caught lying; with [the chemical weapons control body] OPCW refusing to connect Skripal's poison to Moscow; and with Brits keeping Miss Skripal incommunicado under duress, away from her fiancé and the rest of her family, a clear sign of a collapsing story. ..."
"... The Syrian part of this story collapsed as well, after Robert Fisk , one of the very best British Middle East observers (next to David Hirst) visited Douma and delivered a report straight from the donkey's mouth, i.e. as told by a doctor of the clinic videoed by the White Helmets. ..."
"... The Russians actually located some people who are seen in the video, and they say it was staged. ..."
"... An interesting bit of data, proving that preparations for the strike were carried out before the alleged attack, has been published by the Cyprus banking community blog. They say the British air base of Akrotiri on Cyprus had its perimeter urgently strengthened (by the British company Agility) on April 5, that is before the alleged Douma gas attack ..."
"... The OPCW could dispel the mist around both cases, that of Skripal and that of Douma, but do not hold your breath. It appears that OPCW is as integrated into the machinery of the Masters of Discourse as any other international body. Refusal of OPCW to allow Russia to take part in Skripal investigation, despite the clear requirement of its own charter, makes its conclusion doubtful, at best. ..."
"... While inability of OPCW inspectors to enter Douma despite all efforts of Damascus and Russians to facilitate their entry tells us they are not eager to investigate; like they weren't eager to enter Khan Sheykhun last year. ..."
"... please! Trump validated an obvious false flag – again – and launched the strikes before any kind of investigation could have challenged it – again. He's no "hero". He's a weak man at best . Please don't insult real heroes and real bravery. ..."
"... if somebody looks like an idiot, behaves like an imbecile, speaks like a stupid asshat it's very likely you are dealing with an idiot. Stupid bringing boltons and haleys to his circus just had some unforeseen by idiot consequencies. ..."
... Let us face it: Putin did not stop the strike and he didn't make the offender pay a
price for this breach of the Law of Nations.
... ... ...
What is worse, Trump's strike destroyed what was left of the international law structure
established by Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin. These three giants created the UN and its
Security Council in order to avoid such eventualities by forbidding aggression, and the
strike has been definitely an act of aggression against a sovereign state despite an objection
of a permanent SC member, namely Russia.
Now the gates of hell are open, international law has been demolished, and this happened
because Putin agreed to accommodate Trump's strike, said Ivashov.
... ... ...
The Russian military experts here in Moscow told me that out of a hundred missiles fired by
the US and their allies, only one or two were modern cruise missiles ("nice and smart") and
they destroyed the research institute in Barzeh. (It was not a "chemical weapons centre", just
a chemical research institute; it's destruction was a copy-paste of Bill Clinton's bombing of
the pharmaceutical factory in Sudan over a similar pretext.)
All other missiles were old and at the end of their service; they had to be utilised
somehow, and so they were. A few of them might have been downed by Syrian anti-aircraft fire,
others fell without inflicting much damage.
The Russian experts who were in contact with the US military told me that the US military
used this occasion for retraining and refreshing reserve pilots; what they call "a milk run".
This combination of old missiles and less experienced pilots helped to lower the efficiency of
the strike. And both sides, the Russians and the Americans, admitted that the deconfliction
line was operative all the time, to avoid eventualities.
I'd consider that a good conclusion of the fictional chemical weapons story. The story
has fallen to pieces altogether, anyway. The poisoning of Skripal ended with the old spy in
good health; with Boris Johnson being caught lying; with [the chemical weapons control body]
OPCW refusing to connect Skripal's poison to Moscow; and with Brits keeping Miss Skripal
incommunicado under duress, away from her fiancé and the rest of her family, a clear
sign of a collapsing story. Hopefully, Jeremy Corbyn will be able to use May's debacle for
his political advantage.
The Syrian part of this story collapsed as well, after
Robert Fisk , one of the very best British Middle East observers (next to David Hirst)
visited Douma and delivered a report straight from the donkey's mouth, i.e. as told by a doctor
of the clinic videoed by the White Helmets. He said:
"There was a lot of shelling [by government forces] and aircraft were always over Douma at
night – but on this night, there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the
basements and cellars where people lived. People began to arrive here [to the clinic]
suffering from hypoxia, oxygen loss. Then someone at the door, a "White Helmet", shouted
"Gas!", and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other. Yes, the video was
filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not
gas poisoning."
The Russians actually located some people who are seen in the video, and they say it was
staged. (Western media says they were threatened into saying what they said). I have more
trust in Fisk's report, than in the Russian one, but that may be my own prejudice. Anyway, both
versions are not mutually exclusive, they do not contradict each other, but they undermine the
fake story that provided the cue for the strike.
An interesting bit of data, proving that preparations for the strike were carried out
before the alleged attack, has been published by the Cyprus banking community blog. They say
the British air base of Akrotiri on Cyprus had its perimeter urgently strengthened (by the
British company Agility) on April 5, that is before the alleged Douma gas attack . The
second British air base, Dhekelia, carried out similar works on April 12, a week later, before
the decision to strike had been adopted by the British government. The Dhekelia works were done
with great speed and urgency, and road-constructing equipment had to be taken from the nearby
villages of Xylotympou and Ormideia. The payment to the local workers had been routed via HSBC
bank in Hong Kong, they say. And indeed these bases (forcibly retained by Britain) were used
for the strike on Syria.
The OPCW could dispel the mist around both cases, that of Skripal and that of Douma, but
do not hold your breath. It appears that OPCW is as integrated into the machinery of the
Masters of Discourse as any other international body. Refusal of OPCW to allow Russia to take
part in Skripal investigation, despite the clear requirement of its own charter, makes its
conclusion doubtful, at best.
While inability of OPCW inspectors to enter Douma despite all efforts of Damascus and
Russians to facilitate their entry tells us they are not eager to investigate; like they
weren't eager to enter Khan Sheykhun last year.
Meanwhile, the Western media and the Jihadi groups on the ground are busy to create a new
web of lies instead of the old one. Now they say the Fisk report is suspicious because he was
allowed in by the Russians. We can learn of their attitudes from the following twit
"Salih @Salih90119797 Apr 17 More
Replying to @Elizrael
We salute Israel in spite their crimes in Palestine we hope they'll continue their strikes
every part of Syria; Iran regime should comedown"
These "Islamic rebels" are actually Israel's stooges rather than warriors of the Prophet.
Anyway, people who manufactured these beautiful and complicated simulacra, are still around,
and doubtless they will prepare a new one, if it will be necessary. In my view, the two
presidents have made heroic efforts at saving their countries and mankind from destruction;
both risked their good names, their positions, their reputatiosn to go that far. Trump
minimized the bombing, Putin minimized the response.
Both have made some mistakes. Mr Putin made his big mistake when he gave Israel carte
blanche to bomb Syria whenever she feels like it. Israeli strikes (and there were more than a
hundred of them last year) created the air of permissiveness and that allowed Trump to follow
in Israel's footsteps. If Israel bombs Syria, and Russians do not react, why can't Trump? It
appears unfair for the US to be bested by its satellite. If you permit Tom to grab your
girlfriend's pussy without a single objection, you must be expect that Dick and Harry will try
to repeat this feat. Israel created the precedent, the US used it.
I asked Senator Alexey Pushkov, the head of the foreign relations committee, whether he
doesn't think it was a mistake, in hindsight. He justified the policy saying that Russia came
to Syria in order to fight jihadi groups, ISIS, Al Qaeda et al, not Israel. Russia is friendly
to Israel, Iran and Turkey, and it does not want to sort out local disagreements. Pushkov
stressed that Russia always censured Israeli raids on Syria, though it didn't act against them.
As a matter of fact, if Russia criticized Israel, it was done very, very quietly. The only time
this condemnation was made public, happened just now, when the Israeli strike occurred in a
very tense moment.
Mr Trump made a mistake when he fired the missiles instead of firing Mueller. But anyway,
thank you, Mr Trump, for limiting the damage. Try to complete the withdrawal from Syria, while
at it.
What is worse, Trump's strike destroyed what was left of the international law structure
established by Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin.
That was accomplished by Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and Gerhard Schroeder when they bombed
Kosovo without an SC resolution – simultaneously transforming NATO from a defensive
pact to an instrument of US imperialism.
The truth can't be hidden any more the army can't just run amuck at will. Trump and Putin are
playing the long game they don't want war they can make more money elsewhere. It's a new day
thank God.
General (Ret) Leonid Ivashov, an important Russian military observer
I would avoid, despite his high public profile, Ivashov as entirely reliable contemporary
military observer. At least I would be very cautious when referencing him. He has his moments
but many of his "predictions", not to speak of advice, were not exactly prescient, to put it
mildly. Paradoxically, it was his consistently grim, almost to the point of being apocalyptic
view of Russia all long that I simply stopped paying attention to him. obviously, reality
turned out to be much different. In the end, him "cooperating" with Dugin is not exactly a
good sign.
This would be too good a result even for the best, latest, and most update systems. The
unimpressive outcome of the attack can be explained easier by Trump's decision to minimise
the damage, as indeed the Israeli military says.
Anything Israel's military says on this issue is irrelevant and, as always, driven by
purely ideological and political considerations. Here is a taste:
Israel's worst nightmare is competent and properly armed Syrian Air Defense and this is
precisely where it is going right now in the area. Per best–subsonic TLAMs of any
variety represent with appropriate targeting within integrated system easy targets for
something like S1s, which were created from the inception as anti-TLAM systems. Recent IAF
strike in Syria (about couple weeks ago) was to prevent deployment of Iranian TOR-M1 in
Syria. So, Israelis' opinions on this issue can not absolutely, especially having IDF
"stellar" record of bluster and boasting, be taken seriously. Here is an opinion of high
ranking US military-intelligence officer which is rather revealing.
Kosovo was Blair's first real taste of bombing the innocents and how he liked it. It was
hardly surprising to see the veteran warmonger popping up yet again after the Douma hoax and
as always he was calling for bombs as the solution. It's always bombs with Blair and it seems
he just can't help himself. Which ever side Blair is backing is certain to be the side which
is wholly in the wrong. This is the trusted Blair principle and with its 100% record of
success, it will save hours of research trying to get a handle on just where the real blame
lies in any given crisis. Interestingly, you could substitute the US for Blair and you would
get the same result.
The main question is whether this Russian fight aversion will encourage the Americans to
carry out a future strike, or whether Trump will rein in his adversaries.
Any potential future strikes will diminish Russian fight aversion. Previous Russian
restraint was commendable and useful but that part of the conflict is over now. Too many
people "in charge" never experienced – or even contemplated – real, personal,
consequences for their actions. This will have to change.
In my view, the two presidents have made heroic efforts at saving their countries and
mankind from destruction; both risked their good names, their positions, their reputatiosn
to go that far. Trump minimized the bombing, Putin minimized the response.
Nigga please! Trump validated an obvious false flag – again – and launched
the strikes before any kind of investigation could have challenged it – again. He's no
"hero". He's a weak man at best . Please don't insult real heroes and real
bravery.
Well, I don't know how you can be certain that it isn't Putin. Those writing the script
might well choose Putin or create another monster to play the role. Putin has been called the
new Hitler by the well known democrat and war criminal: Hillary Clinton; and by the clown
pretending to be a man and British foreign secretary : BoJo. But I'm not sure that Russia
will play the role of Germany. It may well be China. In that case, Hitler will be the Chinese
"dictator"
It will be the "whites" against the yellow peril. The MSM and Hollywood, will of course
"educate" the masses about this new danger for western "democracy" and "values".. I dare
predict that even Russia will be on board
That's unfair competition. Putin is a normal human being, clearly superior in every way
compared to intellectually handicapped nonentities like Trump, Merkel, Macron, May, etc. The
West needs Nixons, De Gaulles, and Kohls to stand a chance.
Suicidal policies of the US have achieved almost impossible: an alliance between Russia
and China. Russian poet Alexandr Blok wrote more than 100 years ago the poem "Scythians".
Here is a relevant part of it (translated by Alex Miller):
We shall abandon Europe and her charm.
We shall resort to Scythian craft and guile.
Swift to the woods and forests we shall swarm,
And then look back, and smile our slit-eyed smile.
Away to the Urals, all! Quick, leave the land,
And clear the field for trial by blood and sword,
Where steel machines that have no soul must stand
And face the fury of the Mongol horde.
But we ourselves, henceforth, we shall not serve
As henchmen holding up the trusty shield.
We'll keep our distance and, slit-eyed, observe
The deadly conflict raging on the field.
We shall not stir, even though the frenzied Huns
Plunder the corpses of the slain in battle, drive
Their cattle into shrines, burn cities down,
And roast their white-skinned fellow men alive
Normally I enjoy Israel Shamir's reporting. However, in this piece he writes as a military
analyst, which he is not.
On the one hand there is nothing to be gained by using satire to describe the recent
strike on Syria. There is nothing funny about it politically or militarily.
Next, it has already been reported on other sites that the Syrian military hardware used
to deflect the large majority of US missiles has been heavily upgraded to support better
responses even when using rather dated missile technology.
Israel Shamir has also recently written in other pieces that Putin has little liking for
Isreal's Netanayu and that in all of the meetings the two had, the Israeli prime minister
received very little to nothing as Putin ignored his requests.
It has also been reported that Syria will receive the upgraded S-300 missile systems. And
it is expected they will be moved into the hands of Syrian troops rather quickly.
In terms of US hardware, there is really no such thing as "old" as much of the hardware is
junk in any case. Since the Vietnam Conflict, US military suppliers have attained a very well
deserved reputation for producing low quality weaponry with only a few exceptions
withstanding (ie: F-16). In fact, all of the recent, major US military systems that have been
placed into operations or trial-testing have proven to be less than adequate for their
tasks.
Finally, quite a number of military analysts have already demonstrated that Russian
missile technology is, at the minimum, ten years in advance of similar US technology. Right
now there is no contest.
The Russians know how to build exceptional equipment at a fraction of the cost that the US
spends on similar equipment. And they will continue to do so.
This is the single reason that the US did not go for the throat in this recent attack as
foolish as it was. What we have now is similar to the US Army facing the Wehrmacht in WWII;
there was no contest between the two as German soldiers and their equipment were far and away
the best in the world at the time. This time however, the US will not be able to count on
overwhelming numerical superiority and its manufacturing prowess to subdue a well armed
adversary since it has lost both a long time ago
This article is a lot of useless verbiage focusing on the kabuki theater by which the masses
need to be distracted.
The reason for this madness has nothing to do with any of the reasons stated. My best
guess is that It has to do with the global ponzi scheme that is the US dollar. Trump goes
along with it because he has been counseled that this is necessary to prevent a global
economic collapse. Same for France and Britain. This discredits the conspiracy theory that
the global elite want a collapse.
What amazes me is that Russia knows what the real reason for this insanity is, but they
also stick to the prescribed talking points. As do the author and most of the commenters
The reason (for Putting being in bed with Israel and generally doing nothing) could be
something as simple as Russia's recognition that it is in no position to take on the
US-Israel combine. Why resist when you fear getting your nose bloodied?
I suspect that if Putin could turn the clock back, he would do so and rewrite his March 1
speech to refrain from bragging about weaponry and abilities that he himself does not seem to
believe in. He is normally a man of very few words, invariably polite in the old nineteenth
century style. So what got into him on March 1?
Yes but those psychopaths don't mind And they don't mind reminding Putin " you don't want
WW3 .Do you ?"
then those psychopaths use the rational thinking on the part of Putin as an endorsement of
their cunning treacherous anti human anti citizen anti civilizatioanl activities .
Well, Trump lost me. He is too much like his enemies. The Deplorables are in desperate need
of leadership. But none of that matters with regard to Syria. What matters is Imperial
aggression, having been blunted, must finally be stopped at Damascus. And this must be done
without provoking a nuclear war. Putin has made much progress toward this end. If he is
successful he will get full credit. Trump will get none.
Playing rope a dope is painful and makes a fighter appear weak. The Anglo/Zio Empire is in
steep decline. Time favors Putin.
Israel is NOT on good terms with Russia. Israel, along with Saudi Arabia, France, Briton
and the United States, is AT WAR with Russia. The difference is the Israelis must keep their
options open. When the U.S. is just another big country in the Americas Russia will be the
arbiter of peace in the region. Israel may have to come to terms with the Palestinians and
may have to give up claims on Lebanon and Syria.
Now, with the neocon madman, Bolton, on board, we will watch our MIIC storm Syria and
confront Russia so that manipulating-Israel can keep Syria's Golan heights which it now
occupies. The true Endgame, of course, is not Syria but IRAN. THE Neocons hold grudges longer
than any.
I agree, civilization-wise Russia is a lot more West than East. The only difference is,
over many centuries Russians learned to live peacefully side-by-side with Muslims and
Buddhists, who represent the Eastern civilization.
That's why I called the alliance between Russia and China almost impossible. It is quite
unnatural. The only driving force for it is the US policy of provoking both Russia and China
at the same time. The US and its obedient vassals in the EU succeeded in building high level
of distrust in Russia, so that ordinary people (not oligarchs, but looks like Putin got a
taste for being popular among the real people, not just the most successful thieves) consider
China a lot more trustworthy than the West. While there is certain level of respect for the
US in Russia, maybe because its bullying is naively straightforward, a large chunk of the
population simply despises spineless, subservient, and utterly hypocritical Europe. I left
Russia in 1991. Back then this was unthinkable. Things changed.
A few years ago Pat Buchanan rightly wrote that Obama administration made sure that when
the US needs Russia as a counterbalance against China, Russia won't be there for them. Trump
faithfully continues this suicidal policy. China has money (enough to finance Russian
projects, projects in Asia and Africa, and seriously undermine the US dollar by introducing
oil futures trading in yuans at the same time), whereas Russia has weapons. Both have very
determined people (as quite a few events in Syria clearly showed). Bottom line is, the US
with all its sidekicks stands no chance against Russia or China separately, and even less
chance against both of them together. I am sure that, being unnatural, the alliance between
Russia and China won't live long after the downfall of the US from its position in the world.
But the way things stand now, it will certainly last until that downfall.
Personally, I am not sure that Pax Sinica is going to be any better than Pax Americana,
but history shows that all dominant Empires eventually lose that position. In the last 20-30
years the US elites did everything to speed up the demise of this particular Empire.
This is the 4th round of jousting in Syria by my count
1) September 17, 2016 – US warplanes "accidentally" hit Syrian airbase right after
cease-fire
2) April 7, 2017 – Trump fires Tomahawks at airbase to punish Assaf for chemical
weapons
30 February 7, 2018 – US decimated pro-regime and Russian mercenary forces
3) April 13, 2018 – UK/US/ France fire missiles to punish Assad for chemical
weapons
This latest one had the makings of beginning a bigger war but through back channels they
both backed down. To their credit, neither military wants to get in to a direct conflict.
"A few years ago Pat Buchanan rightly wrote that Obama administration made sure that when
the US needs Russia as a counterbalance against China, Russia won't be there for them. Trump
faithfully continues this suicidal policy"
One can not dismiss "stupidity" as an explanation. To be an American president one needs
only strong voice, presentation skills and to be ready to serve american"national interest"
which is of course private interests of different groups being the "Israel national interest"
and MIC the most important ones. They're interlinked.
That said, I don't believe those who really have power in the USA and tell the President
what to do, are stupid. So this apparent "US policy of provoking both Russia and China at the
same time" seems to me unconvincing. We do not have enough information to know what is really
going on.
The division between East and West is an artificial one. Of course "west" is not christian
any more. And I don"t know if we can say that "west" was really christian once.
Anyway, Christianity wouldn't have existed without the "East". The Greek Miracle is a Myth.
Plato wouldn't have existed without the "East".
"Personally, I am not sure that Pax Sinica is going to be any better than Pax
Americana"
Well, historically Chinese empire seems to be less aggressive than any other empire we know
of.
They are not interested in civilizing the barbarians But maybe that isn't true anymore.
Empires, like people, do change.
Grudge ?
I fear the hatred among Muslims against Israel and the USA is greatly underestimated.
Maybe Norman Finkelstein understands, in speeches he explained why Israeli jews are of the
opinion that there never can be peace between them and surrounding Muslims, because of what
the zionists did, and still do, to Palestinians.
Therefore, I suspect, the Israeli plans, to a large extent already executed, to destabilise
the whole Middle East.
Putin therefore is their big enemy.
Now Germany is about to buy USA Predators, I predict more terrorist acts in Germany
If Trump hasn't been skinned yet by the neocons in Washington, it's because he
judiciously brought into his camp the worst warmongers, John Bolton and Nikki Haley as
human shields in the case of a neocon attack: nobody can accuse a man whose security
adviser is Bolton and the UN ambassador is Haley of being soft on Putin. Now they can't
voice their indignation. As they say in the army, it's better to have them inside the tent
pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.
if somebody looks like an idiot, behaves like an imbecile, speaks like a stupid asshat
it's very likely you are dealing with an idiot. Stupid bringing boltons and haleys to his
circus just had some unforeseen by idiot consequencies.
As for Putin – it's pure shame, even have no desire to speak about his slick policy.
He's surely not an idiot, but his goals more and more differ from mine.
I hope this praise of Trump is a rhetorical device. The US has committed to law that is
immutable by Congress, which says the US must refrain from use or threat of force (UN Charter
Article 2(4).) "But we used armed force in a feckless, half-assed way" doesn't cut it.
What this sissy fight tells us is that the memory of JFK has taught Trump to choose his
options from the menu – bomb this or that or the other thing. Bitch about the menu, ask
for other options, like peace, and CIA will kill you. As such, Trump is irrelevant to US
conduct. He does what CIA will let him do. US policy continues unchanged.
I disagree in presenting the aggression on Syria as a fight between Trump and Putin.
This aggression against Syria is a terrorist act made by coward and criminal people
throwing bombs and running away. (If they are real christians, they should realized that they
have committed a mortal sin). Yet, on the positive side, it has showned that neither Trump
nor Putin want a real war and the Apocalypse.
Russia in not fighting the Empire because the Empire is managed by the Devil but because
the Empire want to bring Russia to mercy. Russia has no choice; Russia has to fight to avoid
"de passer sous le joug".
The Chinese are dealers and traders, the Empire is their biggest customers, they dont want to
kill their customers as long as they can do business with him. That is probably the rationale
to avoid them being dragged into a conflictual situation.
Both Russia and China are not driven against the Empire by idelogy, only Iran is, and when
Iran is fighting against the Empire, Iran is figthing the Devil.
Russia is involved in the Middle-East crisis almost by accident. The 2 Chechnya wars gave
Russia some real allergy to the terrorists and Tartus is also an important outpost on the
Mediterranean Sea.
The Middle-East crisis is driven by Israel and the Zionists and as long as the zionists
are running the Empire, the crisis will go on. They want to reduce all the Arabs in the
Middle-East to the state of the Palestinians in Gaza. The victims are the people of Syria,
Lybia, Irak, the Yemen and Lebanon and the US, the UK and France do not care.
The US with theirs Europeans dominions are fighting there on behalf the Zionists.
Only a major worldwide economic crisis could bring down the Empire, bring peace to the
Middle-East and push the Israelis to an other migration.
Jatras an excellent commentator who has long experience in DC as a senate advisor and US
diplomat asks the questions that this silly article by Yoda Shamir fails to ask
' The question remains: will the US peacefully relinquish its position as the sole
arbiter of authority, legality, and morality in a unipolar world in favor of a multipolar
order where Russia's and China's legitimate interests and spheres of influence are
respected? Or will we continue to risk plunging mankind into a global conflict?..'
Jatras also gives a great 35 thousand foot overview of the events of recent days and some
of what is being discussed going forward in terms of Syria
And oh yes he does address only tangentially the entire thesis of the silly Yoda Shamir
article here
' There was even some speculation that the whole thing was a charade worked out in
cooperation with the Russians.
Even if true (and it's unlikely) the mere fact that Trump would have to engage in
such a ruse speaks volumes about the weakness of his position.
"Whatever Trump says, America is not coming out of Syria," writes Patrick Buchanan. "We
are going deeper in. Trump's commitment to extricate us from these bankrupting and
blood-soaked Middle East wars and to seek a new rapprochement with Russia is
"inoperative"..'
So much for Yoda Shamir's joustfest
comparing these two articles is a prime example why Jatras is a respected commentator
' 3. Russia is in reality militarily weak and tottering economically. Very plausible,
very plausible indeed. Putin's March 1st boastful speech then makes perfect sense as the
desperate bluff of the desperate leader of a desperate state '
Yet another koolaid addict popping up out of nowhere here on Unz and spreading manure
lavishly
' Another friend who has spoken with military commanders in the CENTCOM AOR told me:
All of the knowledgeable aircraft commanders are usually scared shitless about
the prospect of a legitimate air-to-air skirmish with a SU-30 or any Russian air
superiority fighter '
And this about Russian air defense capability
' Any air defense engineer with a security clearance that isn't lying through his teeth
will admit that Russia's air defense technology surpassed us in the 1950′s and we've
never been able to catch up. The systems thy have in place surrounding Moscow make our
Patriot 3′s look like fucking nerf guns '
' I wrote a piece for the Unz Review yesterday. You can see it over there. There were
over a hundred comments. Most of them were favorable, but some were just awful '
The Russians are predestined to fight 'the West'
Instinctively they have always known this
Rationally they have always tried to explain it away
War and Peace can be read as a coming of age story of the Russian Nation
Somehow the Russian Elite is more susceptible to the lure of 'the West' than the Russian
commoner
The commoner knows in her gut that 'the West' is her mortal enemy
No doubt that Russia will eventually go all the way against 'the West'
Dragging her feet is just the way Russia always has behaved in existential conflicts
When Napoleon and Hitler came knocking on her door she behaved no different
This time it is different though
I sense that Russia will want to finish this conflict for good
I expect they will go full Carthago on 'the West', erasing them from history
Russian leaders do seem remarkably sensible, especially when viewed from a western country
where hysteria is the norm.
It is because of this sensibility I fear the worst. The mass-delusion gripping the Western
political class disconnects them from reality, I can't see this ending well. I would not be
surprised if a Western politician announced: "We need to destroy the world in order to save
it"
Once the Russian Leaders realize the extent of Western delusion the sensible thing to do
might be wiping them out for good.
The only problem with this solution would be that I would be wiped out as well.
The nature of power is evil. It's not about "Jewish power". It's about Power.
Agree completely
Also would say that the whole Israel wagging the US dog is not realistic either
Look rationally at the Empire structure we see the vassals like EU and Nato states plus
Japan South Korea, Taiwan etc always falling obediently in line
Just today Assad called France a 'Slave' and sent back his silly French Legion of
Honor award that they gave him in 2001
Slave just about nicely sums it up
Yet Israel is able to operate with more freedom than the galley slaves why is that ?
It's because Israel is the most valuable of the empire's properties an unassailable
fortress in the most geopolitically important region
One could argue that the power of the US Jewish lobby is the thing that let's Israel
exercise the kind of independence that the slaves cannot
I have no truck with calling Israel out on its crimes against the Palestinians that has to
stop but Israeli society is much smarter and realistic than koolaidland US
I hope it won't come to that, as I live in the US. The hysteria is scary, though. Here it
is fuelled by sore losers, Killary and her handlers: she and most of them are guilty of so
many crimes (real criminal offenses that put normal people to jail for many years) that they
need a distraction. MIC also wants justification for even more money thrown into its maw.
Their greed and the perfidy of various self-proclaimed liberals endanger us all.
Yet Israel is able to operate with more freedom than the galley slaves why is that ?
It's because Israel is the most valuable of the empire's properties an unassailable
fortress in the most geopolitically important region
One could argue that the power of the US Jewish lobby is the thing that let's Israel
exercise the kind of independence that the slaves cannot
In fact quite the opposite. Little Israel controls half a continent (North America) in the
same way that little (Imperial) Britain controlled the Indian sub-continent. When Great
Britain lost India (the Jewel in the Crown) its power was gone, and when Israel loses the US
(its Jewel in the Crown) it's power is also gone.
Trump's Establishment Sin: Being an Open and Unabashed Devil
It's the open crassness of Trump as much as his policy substance that bothers establishment
operatives. Look at Trump's recent yucky White House sit-down with Mohammed bin Salman (MBS),
the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. You can view it on YouTube here . It's incredible. With MBS grinning
sheepishly next to him, the Insane Clown President held up posters showing all the big-dollar
weapons and war systems the Saudis are purchasing from the U.S. Trump brazenly boasted about
Washington's $12.5 billion arms deal with the most reactionary government on the planet.
"That's peanuts for you," Trump chided the crown prince while dangling the posters under his
nose. "Saudi Arabia is a very wealthy nation, and they're going to give the United States some
of that wealth, hopefully, in the form of jobs, in the form of the purchase of the finest
military equipment anywhere in the world," Trump told reporters. MBS looked embarrassed as
Trump listed the prices of the weapons the U.S. was selling to the Saudis: "$880 million $645
million $6 billion that's for frigates."
The president sounded like a car dealer boasting about the bargains at Trump Ford-Mazda. It
was ugly and humiliating for everyone involved and has been condemned in the dominant corporate
media for its decadent unpleasantness.
"Trump administration plans to make the U.S. an even larger weapons exporter by loosening
restrictions on the sale of equipment ranging from fighter jets and drones to warships and
artillery. Reuters reveals that the new initiative will provide guidelines that
could allow more countries to be granted faster deal approvals, and will call on Cabinet
officials to help close deals between foreign governments and U.S. defense contractors The
role U.S. Cabinet officials may be asked to play in pushing arms exports abroad as part of
the new initiative, which will call for a 'whole of government' approach -- from the
president and his Cabinet to military attachés and diplomats -- to help draw in
billions of dollars more in arms business overseas."
So, do you think the Obama administrations sold arms to Saudi Arabia and other reactionary
governments around the world? Do you think it enlisted Cabinet officials and U.S. diplomats in
the project of advancing U.S. arms sales across a blood-drenched planet? If you answered "Hell
yes it did" to both questions, then you are correct. Here is a
forgotten story from the final days of the Obama administration, penned by
Motherboard 's Farid Farid, who was understandably underwhelmed by Obama's suspension
of the sale of one type of munition to the Saudis in early 2017:
Obama's Administration Sold More Weapons Than Any Other Since World War II
Many were sold to the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia.
President Barack Obama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, will leave office in a few
weeks with the dubious honor of having sold more weapons than any other American president
since World War II. Most of the arms deals totaling over $200 billion in the period from 2008
to 2015 have ended up in the Middle East, according to a Congressional Research Service
report published in December Focusing on arms deals to developing nations, the extensive
report found that Saudi Arabia was the top arms importer with deals worth around $94 billion
from 2008-2015. Under Obama the overall sales, pending delivery of equipment and specialized
training for troops, to Saudi Arabia alone has ballooned to $115 billion.
Saudi Arabia is spearheading a coalition of Arab nations in a bombing campaign closing in
on two years against the insurgent Houthi militias in Yemen, who took over the capital Sanaa
in September 2014. The United States has sent special operations forces to assist the Arab
coalition in a grinding war that has seen over 10,000 killed, 2.2 million displaced and
nearly half a million children on the brink of famine from the ensuing crisis.
Earlier this month, the United States decided to halt future sales of precision-guided
munitions, which are supposed to hit specific targets and minimize collateral damage, to the
Gulf kingdom citing civilian deaths in Yemen. But experts are skeptical this will deter Saudi
Arabia from continuing to fuel its regional proxy wars.
"Frankly it was a really minor and temporary punishment. I don't view it as a major
consequence and it is more symbolic than anything," said Cole Bockenfeld, deputy director of
policy at Project on Middle East Democracy.
He pointed to the US partially suspending military aid to Egypt after the military
overthrew the unpopular government in July 2013 as another example of the lack of political
will of the Obama administration to rock relations with its allies. The Congressional report,
Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations 2008-2015, noted that Egypt was the biggest
recipient of arms deliveries last year worth $5.3 billion.
"What's changed during the Obama administration is that increasing arms sales has become a
standardized component of diplomacy at all levels of government, not just in the defense
department," Bockenfeld told Motherboard. "For US diplomats to become the salesmen, that has
been a new element which really increased exports."
What's the main difference between Trump and Obama when it comes to U.S. arms sales abroad?
As the noted liberal arms trade analyst William
Hartung told DN's Amy Goodman this week , "Well, [Trump's] much more blatant about it.
He's shouting it from the rooftops . He's playing a very personal role .he held up a chart
[during his appalling meeting before reporters with MBS] that showed 40,000 jobs from Saudi
arms sales, and it showed the states, and they were all the swing states -- Pennsylvania, Ohio,
Michigan, Florida. So, among other things, not only is this a business proposition for Trump,
but it's a blatant political move to shore up his base."
So here's an interesting question: which is worse – (a) quietly equipping the most
reactionary government on Earth and much of the rest of the world with lethal, high-tech means
of mass destruction while posing as some kind of progressive and noble peace agent or (b)
loudly equipping the most reactionary government on Earth and much of the rest of the world
with lethal, high-tech means of mass destruction while boasting about the resulting revenue and
jobs to reporters and your white-nationalist political base?
Something tells me the Yemeni victims of Riyadh's U.S.- made bombs, missiles, bullets, and
artillery don't care all that much either way.
Unsurprising to see the likes of CNN and MSNBC siding with Haley. Trump should've dumped
her awhile back. Contrary to the CNN/MSNBC spin, she has been an embarrassment for the US at
the UN. Upon her UN appointment, it was thought that Haley couldn't be worse than Samantha
Power.
During his presidential bid, Trump spoke of bringing in competent non-establishment types.
The case for Jim Jatras as UN ambassador:
As noted, Tulsi Gabbard would've been a good selection as well.
The US didn't challenge Russia's more updated missile defense system in Syria shielding
Russian forces. It's not like Washington can control everything.
Through their anti-Syrian proxies, the US has a roughly 30% control of Syria. A few days
before the most recent alleged Syrian government chemical attack, Trump said he wanted out of
Syria. I believe he was either duped into bombing, or knows that the chemical weapon claim is
in the very suspect/outright BS ranges of probality.
The biggest damage from the strikes on Syria was to the credibility of the US, French and
Airstrip One governments. In the days of dubya at least some effort was put into the false
flags.
Great article, except the USA did not "acquire the Philippine Islands", it invaded! The
Syrian disaster is best explained by a Columbia University professor, who was mistakenly
booked on MSNBC, as Jimmy Dore explains:
"... Such people, then and now, fervently believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States as mankind's best hope of a utopian future and concomitantly in the responsibility of the United States to lead mankind toward that future. Neocons believe that inside every Iraqi, Filipino or Syrian there is an American waiting to be freed from the bonds of tradition, local culture and general backwardness. ..."
"... Local rulers must be removed as the principal obstacle to popular emulation of Western and especially American culture and political forms. In the run up to the invasion of Iraq I was often told by leading neocon figures that the Muslims and particularly the Iraqis had no culture worth keeping and that once we had created new facts, (a Karl Rove quote) these people would quickly abandon their old ways and beliefs as they sought to become something like Americans. ..."
"... This notion has one major flaw. It is not necessarily correct. Often the natives are willing to fight you long and hard to retain their own ways. In the aftermath of the Spanish-American War the US acquired the Philippine Islands and sought to make the islands American in all things. The result was a terrible war against Filipino nationalists who did not want to follow the example of the "shining city on a hill." No, the "poor fools" wanted to go their own way in their own way. The same thing happened in Iraq after 2003. The Iraqis rejected occupation and American "reform" of their country and a long and bloody war ensued. ..."
"... I am told that the old neocon crew argued as hard as possible for a disabling massive air and missile campaign intended to destroy the Syrian government's ability to fight the mostly jihadi rebels. John Bolton, General (ret.) Jack Keane and many other neocons argued strongly for this campaign as a way to reverse the outcome of the civil war. James Mattis managed to obtain President Trump's approval for a much more limited and largely symbolic strike but Trump was clearly inclined to the neocon side of the argument. What will happen next time? ..."
"... Paul Wolfowitz infamously told the US Senate "we chose to use the fear of nuclear weapons because we knew that would sell." ..."
"... The current US is rather like a cross country trip in bad weather. The vehicle is bogged down in deep mud, giving the driver and occupants two options 1) Look out the windows and say, "We're bogged down in deep mud. What are we going to do?" 2) Refuse to look out the windows and say, "There's something wrong with this vehicle. Can we fix the engine?" ..."
"... Well clearly the US's European satrapies don't share directly in the US updated Manifest Destiny idea, but the US sphere elites in general are fully indoctrinated in the universalist ideology of internationalist social-liberalism and "democracy"-uber-alles (where "democracy" – whether in Republican, constitutional monarchic or other form – is in reality a kind of managed gerrymander to keep the established and US-favoured elites safely in control and ensure "populists" are excluded by any means necessary), and sees itself as on a mission to promote the spread of US style liberal (managed) "democracy" throughout the world (except where it's currently inconvenient to push it too hard for reasons of temporary expedience, such as in places like Saudi Arabia). ..."
"... The current breed of opportunists operating without any kind of responsibility makes the international corps of political whores-in-charge. These politicians look at the Blairs (a $100 million fortune) and Cheney & Bush (both getting richer with every day) and they know that the opportunisms, however criminal, will be rewarded by the "deciders." The incompetent and sycophantic politicians in the EU/UK governments have zero regards for their citizenry. We can be absolutely sure that there are no idealists among the leading UK politicians in power. ..."
"... Short answer, F,UK were the world's leading imperial powers before WWII and seek to leverage American military and financial power to restore some degree of imperial power. The Atlantic Charter and the UN Charter were bitter pills for the old empires. France sought to override the UN Charter by force in Vietnam and Algeria, but lacked the wherewithall. Britain, France, and Israel sought to override it by force in the 1956 Suez Crisis until Daddy Ike told them that it wasn't cool. The umbrella of American power is their best remaining means of re-establishing imperial power. It puts the onus on the US for violations of international law, but promises them some restoration of imperial power in MENA. ..."
"... "Making the world safe for democracy" was the sales pitch for preserving the F, UK empires long before there was Israel. That effort was driven largely by American Blue Blood bankers who had risky investments in the UK war effort. American Jews were suspected of loyalty to the Kaiser because they loathed the Russian Tsar. ..."
In 2004 I published an article in the journal, Middle East Policy that was entitled
"Drinking the Koolaid." The article reviewed the process by which the neocon element in the
Bush Administration seized control of the process of policy formation and drove the United
States in the direction of invasion of Iraq and the destruction of the apparatus of the Iraqi
state. They did this through manipulation of the collective mental image Americans had of Iraq
and the supposed menace posed by Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Not all the people who
participated in this process were neocon in their allegiance but there were enough of them in
the Bush Administration to dominate the process. Neoconism as it has evolved in American
politics is a close approximation of the imperialist political faction that existed in the time
of President William McKinley and the Spanish-American War. Barbara Tuchman described this
faction well in "The Proud Tower."
Such people, then and now, fervently believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United States as
mankind's best hope of a utopian future and concomitantly in the responsibility of the United
States to lead mankind toward that future. Neocons believe that inside every Iraqi, Filipino or
Syrian there is an American waiting to be freed from the bonds of tradition, local culture and
general backwardness. For people with this mindset the explanation for the continuance of old
ways lies in the oppressive and exploitative nature of rulers who block the "progress" that is
needed. The solution for the imperialists and neocons is simple. Local rulers must be removed
as the principal obstacle to popular emulation of Western and especially American culture and
political forms. In the run up to the invasion of Iraq I was often told by leading neocon
figures that the Muslims and particularly the Iraqis had no culture worth keeping and that once
we had created new facts, (a Karl Rove quote) these people would quickly abandon their old ways
and beliefs as they sought to become something like Americans.
This notion has one major flaw.
It is not necessarily correct. Often the natives are willing to fight you long and hard to
retain their own ways. In the aftermath of the Spanish-American War the US acquired the
Philippine Islands and sought to make the islands American in all things. The result was a
terrible war against Filipino nationalists who did not want to follow the example of the
"shining city on a hill." No, the "poor fools" wanted to go their own way in their own way. The
same thing happened in Iraq after 2003. The Iraqis rejected occupation and American "reform" of
their country and a long and bloody war ensued.
The neocons believe so strongly that America must lead the world and mankind forward that
they accept the idea that the achievement of human progress justifies any means needed to
advance that goal. In the case of the Iraq invasion the American people were lectured endlessly
about the bestialities of Saddam's government. The bestialities were impressive but the
constant media display of these horrors was not enough to persuade the American people to
accept war. From the bestialities meme the neocons moved on to the WMD meme. The Iraqi
government had a nuclear weapons program before the First Gulf War but that program had been
thoroughly destroyed in the inspection regime that followed Iraq's defeat and surrender. This
was widely known in the US government because US intelligence agencies had cooperated fully
with the international inspectors in Iraq and in fact had sent the inspectors to a long list of
locations at which the inspectors destroyed the program. I was instrumental in that
process.
After 9/11 the US government knew without any doubt that the Iraqi government did not have a
nuclear weapons program, but that mattered not at all to the neocons. As Paul Wolfowitz
infamously told the US Senate "we chose to use the fear of nuclear weapons because we knew that
would sell." Once that decision was made an endless parade of administration shills appeared on
television hyping the supposed menace of Iraqi nuclear weapons. Vice President Cheney and
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice were merely the most elevated in position of the many
vendors of the image of the "mushroom shaped cloud."
And now we have the case of Syria and its supposed chemical weapons and attacks. After the
putative East Gouta chemical attack of 2013, an OPCW program removed all the chemical weapons
to be found in Syria and stated its belief that there were no more in the country. In April of
2017 the US-Russian de-confliction process was used to reach agreement on a Syrian Air Force
strike in the area of Khan Sheikoon in southern Idlib Province. This was a conventional weapons
attack and the USAF had an unarmed reconnaissance drone in the area to watch the strike go in
against a storage area. The rebel run media in the area then claimed the government had
attacked with the nerve gas Sarin, but no proof was ever offered except film clips broadcast on
social media. Some of the film clips from the scene were ludicrous. Municipal public health
people were filmed at the supposed scene standing around what was said to be a bomb crater from
the "sarin attack." Two public health men were filmed sitting on the lip of the crater with
their feet in the hole. If there had been sarin residue in the hole they would have quickly
succumbed to the gas. No impartial inspection of the site was ever done, but the Khan Sheikoon
"gas attack" has become through endless repetition a "given" in the lore of the "constant
Syrian government gas attacks against their own civilians."
On the 4th of April it is claimed that the Syrian Government, then in the process of
capturing the town of Douma caused chlorine gas to be dropped on the town killing and wounding
many. Chlorine is not much of a war gas. It is usually thought of as an industrial chemical, so
evidently to make the story more potent it is now suggested that perhaps sarin was also
used.
No proof that such an attack occurred has been made public. None! The Syrian and Russian
governments state that they want the site inspected. On the 15th of April US Senator Angus King
(I) of Maine told Jake Tapper on SOTU that as of that date the US Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence had not been given any proof by the IC or Trump Administration that such an attack
had occurred. "They have asserted that it did" he said.
The US, France and the UK struck Syria with over a hundred cruise missiles in retaliation
for this supposed attack but the Administration has not yet provided any proof that the Syrian
attack took place.
I am told that the old neocon crew argued as hard as possible for a disabling massive
air and missile campaign intended to destroy the Syrian government's ability to fight the
mostly jihadi rebels. John Bolton, General (ret.) Jack Keane and many other neocons argued
strongly for this campaign as a way to reverse the outcome of the civil war. James Mattis
managed to obtain President Trump's approval for a much more limited and largely symbolic
strike but Trump was clearly inclined to the neocon side of the argument. What will happen next
time?
Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and
U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets). He served in the Department of Defense both as a
serving officer and then as a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service for many
years
The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never
mentioned: Israel. While superficially the neocons may claim they believe in the Manifest
Destiny of the United States to impose American democracy on other cultures, the truth is
that below the superficial is a deep and unquestioning obedience to further Zionist policies
and the promotion of Israel über alles. Syria is a prime example of this and any article
on U.S. policies regarding regime change or bombing Syria that leaves out a mention of
Israeli influence is all foreplay and nothing else and just about as satisfying.
I understand your point, but Col. Lang's statement of acquired is correct. The USA
"acquired" the Phillipine islands as a result of the treaty ending the Spanish-American war.
There was a following military occupation and war against nationalist rebels, but that
doesn't make his wording incorrect.
The neocons have a right to their opinion and their desired world order, just like anyone
else. What they DO NOT have, is the right to perpetrate WARS OF AGRESSION, which include both
War Crimes an Crimes Against Humanity under its purview, to reach those goals. Under our
Constitution and system of government ONLY Congress is legally authorized to declare war on
another nation. Congress has NOT declared war on the sovereign nation of Syria, there is no
self defense issue here and such an attack has not been approved by the United Nations so, IT
IS NOT UP TO THE PRESIDENT AND SOME GROUP OF HIS ADVISORS.
Those in the military have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution. You are not obligated to
obey obviously criminal orders, in fact you are obligated to defend against all those
violating our Constitution. By God, do your duty.
Where is Congress? They should be making sure that these criminals do not exercise authority
that is reserved to Congress. By not preventing these crimes the military and Congress become
accomplices and accessories to the most heinous crime defined by mankind WAR OF
AGRESSION.
Any and all those in authority who ordered past attacks and or order future attacks are
guilty of WAGING AGGRESSIVE WAR. Any one who assisted in any way are accomplices, and/or
accessories to the crimes and are equally guilty and subject to arrest and prosecution
without time limit. The excuse of following orders will not be accepted.
If the neocons actually carry out the criminal act of "a disabling massive air and missile
campaign intended to destroy the Syrian government's ability to fight the mostly jihadi
rebels," don't be surprised if the Russians and Chinese vaporize the United States.
I have to wonder why, with the known facts of this 2013 attack in the public domain, our
'other IC' never goes there except with the most vague allusions. Here is the 2013 attack in
known detail:
I'm no fan of 'Realpolitik', let the chips fall as they should. In fact, the reality of
2013 should inform us of the reality of 2018, and where to bring the pressure to pop the
abscess – before the abscess becomes WWIII
Great to see Colonel Lang added to the list of Unz writers. His direct expertise and
experience in ME military and intel matters are unsurpassed, and as someone who has been
intentionally excluded from the mainstream media because of his determination to express
inconvenient truths that the powerful would prefer remain unsaid, he fits perfectly into the
Unz mission statement: "A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial
Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media."
After the putative East Gouta chemical attack of 2013, an OPCW program removed all the
chemical weapons to be found in Syria and stated its belief that there were no more in the
country.
Let's recall whilst considering this point that the OPCW is not some anti-American
bureaucracy uninfluenced by US power. Here is what happened to an OPCW leader who crossed the
US neocons:
"We can't accept your management style," Bolton told Bustani in 2002, as Bustani
recounted to The Intercept.
"You have 24 hours to leave the organization, and if you don't comply with this decision
by Washington, we have ways to retaliate against you," he reportedly continued. After a
pause, Bolton reportedly said, "We know where your kids live. You have two sons in New
York."
Bustani was taken aback by Bolton's directness, but did not back down, according to The
Intercept.
Bustani eventually was forced to step down after the US convinced its allies in the
organization to rally against him, according to The Times. He was forced out by a stunning
vote of 48 to 7 and 43 abstentions.
If the OPCW appears to be cooperating suspiciously with US objectives on an issue, that's
credible. The contrary, not so much.
On that note, let's also recall that the OPCW inspected one of the main targets of the
recent US action, claimed by the US and its collaborators to be an active chemical weapons
site, the Barzeh research centre, in 2017:
He said it's "totally incorrect" that chemical weapons were being developed there. "The
Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) visited here and didn't report
anything wrong with this place."
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CBS News looked into the OPCW report from Barzeh and it noted the Syrians had delayed the
visit for security concerns, but didn't find any red flags.
I have long been a fan of Colonel Lang's stand against the current neocon policy in the
Middle East. Here I find the most authoritative account of the thinking behind the Syrian
disaster I have seen.
I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this
destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon's table? Our
politicians surely can't think they're exceptional too. Though in a way one hopes they might
be – I no longer believe that those politicians represent the thinking of the great
mass of people in Europe and the UK.
Lang spelled that out in "Drinking the Koolaid," the 2004 article mentioned in the first
sentence.
He wrote:
" . . .single-minded intensity in pursuing his goals was nothing new for [Douglas]
Feith. In July 1996, he had been a principal author of a study prepared for Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This paper advocated abrogation of the Oslo accords and the
launch of a new regional balance-of-power scheme based on American-Israeli military
dominance with a subsidiary military role for Turkey and Jordan . The study was
produced by the "Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies" (IASPS), a
Jerusalem-based Likud-party-linked think tank, and was called "A Clean Break: A New
Strategy for Securing the Realm." In it, Feith and company wrote,
"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by
weakening, containing and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing
Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq -- an important Israeli strategic objective in its own
right -- as a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions."
The study-group leader was Richard Perle . Other members of the team included
Charles Fairbanks Jr., a longtime friend of Paul Wolfowitz since their student days
together at the University of Chicago; and David Wurmser , an American Enterprise
Institute Middle East fellow, and his wife, Meyrav Wurmser , who headed the
Washington, DC office of the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). Her boss in
that group was a retired Israeli intelligence officer, Yigal Carmon.
On July 8, 1996, Richard Perle presented the "Clean Break" document to Netanyahu, who was
visiting Washington. Two days later, the Israeli prime minister unveiled the document as
his own regional foreign-policy design in a speech before a joint session of the U.S.
Congress.
Regulars on Unz forum regularly mention "A Clean Break," but noting the "regional
balance-of-power scheme based on American-Israeli military dominance with a subsidiary
military role for Turkey and Jordan, " and given the amount of money and military aid US
taxpayers provide to Israel, why is this group hiring, training and arming "moderate rebels"
to "foil Syria's regional ambitions" rather than carrying out the mission
themselves?
Also, and based on comments by US Congressman Steven Russell (R-OK) (among others) in
appearances on C Span, where praise is lavished on Jordan's king Abdullah, it appears Jordan
is still on board the aging ship Clean Break , tho Turkey is threatening mutiny.
The same actors -- including the sociopathic Michael Ledeen– of this neocon cabal
have been reading the same script from the run-up to war with Iraq
to the fulfillment of their obsession with attacking Iran:
Notice that fifteen years on, the neocon criminal gang has added new, younger members,
i.e. Richard Goldberg and Michaela Dodge. Goldberg is fanatically pro-Israel from his Jewish
day school primary school to his anti-BDS activities in Illinois government and anti-Iran
achievements in US senate.
Disagree because Jimmy Dore made a mistake in heaping so much praise on Sache without
knowing who he was. In my opinion, Jeffrey Sachs's appearance on MSNBC is a smokescreen, political cover to
exonerate the Deep State, banister predators and Israel firsters from complicity in the
destruction of Syria. Sachs was a leading actor, together with George Soros, Paul Wolfowitz and Jonathan Bush,
brother-in-law of the late, sainted Barbara Bush, in the Rape of Russia in the Yeltsin
years.
Our southern neighbors are the largest threat to the US than any Middle Eastern State.
I will continue to contend to drop the label "neoconservative" because it is inaccurate.
What we have are those who desire intervention for political and mercantilism *economic"
ambitions -- interventionists.
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" I was often told by leading neocon figures that the Muslims and particularly the Iraqis
had no culture worth keeping and that once we had created new facts, (a Karl Rove quote)
these people would quickly abandon their old ways and beliefs as they sought to become
something like Americans. This notion has one major flaw. It is not necessarily correct.
Often the natives are willing to fight you long and hard to retain their own ways. In the
aftermath of the Spanish-American War the US acquired the Philippine Islands and sought to
make the islands American in all things."
I am unclear why you are equivocating here. It is entirely incorrect as demonstrated
throughout the region repeatedly.
True. I love Col. Lang's blog and have followed it for years now. He's really good at
military strategy, and–as a ME specialist–is very helpful in analyzing and
predicting events in Syria, Iraq, etc. But the main thing that's missing at his blog ('Sic
Semper Tyrannis') is any analysis of Israel's role in this. There's no mention of the Oded
Yinon plan, or the Clean Break memo, or the 'Pearl Harbor-type event' paper. And while Lang
is very good at pointing out the absurdity of Washington's statements relative to reality,
he's not so good at untangling propaganda from what really motivates the highest-level
people who are behind all of this . Hint: it's not 'democracy promotion'.
I wonder if the neocons have any idea about forward.
Their forward for me is just world domination, that what Franklin Roosevelt already tried,
but what failed miserably. In 1946 the Soros then, Bernard Baruch, in vain pleaded for a world government, that is,
the USA governing the world.
Stalin and Mao tse Tung had other ideas.
We now have Putin, the Chinese government, India, Iran, IS, the other BRICS countries, I
think the majority of Muslims, most S and Middle American countries, with other ideas.
Even on German sites debate exists on the continuing USA occupation.
Soros' conflict with Hungary is there for anyone to see.
Fool Macron states that the EU must have more power, to destroy increasing
nationalism.
He does not see that with more EU power nationalism rises.
Shortly before the Brexit referendum someone in Britain said 'they even interfere with vacuum
cleaners'.
You're just wasting your nerves, and time. Just looking at what is done rather than what is
being said, I see the world geopolitically moving in a splendid direction, with practically
enlightened leaders in the major three countries. I see a false flag that had cost no lives,
Syria becoming invincible to both NATO and Israel – a dream come true, I also see
Russia firmly establishing itself on the Med for a first time, a forging of peace between the
two Koreas after 60 years. All those are results to which the White House under Trump
crucially contributes. (*)
In the rest of the world, we can see improvement in the living conditions in most parts of
the world unparalleled in history.
The biggest problem are the European & American chattering and fear-mongering classes,
imperialists and anti-imperialists alike. Surprisingly, they look like two sides of a same
coin. On his website, Mr. Patrick Lang speaks about Mr. Trump, his president, in the most
pejorative terms, while he has the highest praises for Collin Powell, who steadily and
with a pronounced servility served the neocons. It was exactly Mr. Lang that, by serving
Collin Powell, assisted the neocon dominance in the White House, and, among else, the Iraq
disaster. Our greatest enemy demons are those inside ourselves.
(*) Trump's critics want to have their cake and eat it: Trump is wrong because of his
stupendous warmongering, and by being such "a moron" as to be disastrous for his mad
plans. Occam's Razor applied to those two extraordinary observations points to the solid
likelihood they are illusions. Illusion-making would be consistent with what I know about DJT
personally anda fine a tit-for-tat to what the msm do to him. When surrounded by open mouths
of beasts, throw them a bone or two.
The most important part of this article on neocons and their policies is what was never
mentioned: Israel.
Yeah, one has to willfully ignore the overwhelming historical evidence of the perfidious
Jewish cabal dragging TR and his "conscripts" by the nose up San Juan Hill.
If the Neocons would follow the example of (atheist or perhaps actual demon worshipping,
socialist/Marxist, drug addict, bisexual) Jones and his main female inner circle and its
largely black male inner circle of enforcers and also drink the kool-aid and die, then we'd
be happy they were making a batch.
Trump has made a complete mess of this and "next time" thus inevitably means something
much more solid. He has dug himself deeper into the Russiagate hole and there's only one
way out. Since Putin is totally bogged down in Syria, there's no hurry on "next time". All
Putin can do is sit and wait for it to happen. Trump will probably have to act before the
midterms.
I think this whole charade served another purpose. And Nikki Haley's comments added to it
("we will never be friends with Russia and will we smack Russia whenever we want"). It
allowed the Russians to start thinking the unthinkable. Unleashing the nuclear genie and
using MAD to end the madness. I believe it will create a ramping up of nuclear forces in
Russia. I don't believe the option was really on the table until the false flag and the
completely irrational and unhinged response from the West. Preceded by the other ludicrous
Skripal affair which the U.S. and other Western countries accepted as true and evicted
Russian officials based on it. I think in the final hours before the missile strikes of last
Friday it was a somber mood among Russian military planners and there was a a begrudging
willingness to consider the unthinkable nuclear option. Now I think it is fully on the table
and Russian planners will start thinking and visualizing about scenarios and will make its
future use more real and thus much easier to undertake. In fact, merely thinking about and
visualizing about scenarios will create an excitement which will animate their future
decision. If the Punjabi Clemson accounting major, Nimrata Randhawa, is correct and will not
be friends with Russia and smack them whenever "we" want, you'd better get right with God and
live your final days virtuously because the end of the world as we
know it is at hand.
Regarding Barzah/Barzeh, here is the actual OPCW document dated 23 March 2018 referring to
the November 2017 inspection:
In accordance with paragraph 11 of Council decision EC-83/DEC.5, the second round of
inspections at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities of the SSRC was concluded on 22 November
2017. The results of the inspections were reported as an addendum (EC-87/DG.15/Add.1, dated
28 February 2018) to the report entitled "Status of Implementation of Executive Council
Decision EC-83/DEC.5 (dated 11 November 2016)" (EC-87/DG.15, dated 23 February 2018).
The analysis of samples taken during the inspections did not indicate the presence of
scheduled chemicals in the samples, and the inspection team did not observe any activities
inconsistent with obligations under the Convention during the second round of inspections
at the Barzah and Jamrayah facilities
Interestingly, this document is not particularly easy to find, for some (no doubt
innocent) reason it has not (yet?) been included among the list of "Progress Reports" on the
OPCW site:
Such people, then and now, fervently believe in the Manifest Destiny of the United
States as mankind's best hope of a utopian future and concomitantly in the responsibility
of the United States to lead mankind toward that future. Neocons believe that inside every
Iraqi, Filipino or Syrian there is an American waiting to be freed from the bonds of
tradition, local culture and general backwardness.
So the Neocons want to better the lives of Iraqis, Filipinos and Syrians by "introducing"
them to the American way of life?? – Such kind and well meaning people.
The current US is rather like a cross country trip in bad weather. The vehicle is bogged
down in deep mud, giving the driver and occupants two options 1) Look out the windows and
say, "We're bogged down in deep mud. What are we going to do?" 2) Refuse to look out the
windows and say, "There's something wrong with this vehicle. Can we fix the engine?"
The US as a society, isn't going anywhere until it can face reality, and have an open and
frank public debate about the Israeli/Zionist subversion of US institutions.
Your view is a common myth. Why do people assume the Philippines belonged to Spain, who
could give it away? Anyway, by the time the American Army arrived, there was an established
Filipino government and a large regular army that was running the nation. Just a few tiny
pockets of Spanish troops remained waiting for rescue. After the Americans saved them, they
attacked and invaded the Philippines, fighting the regular Army for over a year until it was
destroyed, then the resulting insurgency. The US military conquered the Philippines beginning
with the bloody "Battle of Manila".
The fact is that Israel and the dual citizen ziocons aka neocons control the U.S. gov and
proof of this is that Israel did the attack on the WTC on 911 and got away with it, and also
did the attack on the USS LIBERTY and got away with that, and numerous other subversive
things that would take a book to document, and got away with it all.
Lang may have been loosely paraphrasing here. The version I'm familiar with is:
"The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government
bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of
mass destruction as the core reason," Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon
transcript of an interview with Vanity Fair.
The Zionist Entity, the great albatross around America's neck.
In a way it was fine that W. Patrick Lang did not mention the Zionist Entity by name. It's
smart not to mention it all the time as it can be like 'beating a dead horse' among other
things . Not mentioning it directly and just saying Neocon deflects the accusation of the
anti-'S' label but in a subtle manner associates Zionism with Neocons, which can be a more
persuasive way to make the point without screaming, like me (lol), that it's the same
thing.
" administration shills appeared on television hyping the supposed menace of Iraqi nuclear
weapons. Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice "
I propose that international politics would be greatly clarified if we were to place a
'CFR' next to the name of every member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
I'm very glad to see Colonel Pat Lang writing for the Unz review.
His own website–Sic Semper Tyrannis– is one of the best, most informative sites
on the internet.
It is "must read" for anyone who wants to follow national security issues, Syria, Ukraine and
beyond.
Lang doesn't mince words or pull his punches. And his analysis is never short of
brilliant.
This is really a great addition for the Unz Review. Good work, Ron and a hearty "Welcome" to Colonel Lang!
"This is what you get when you have too much Jewish influence over opinion. Friedlander
says "regime change never works," but obviously it does, sometimes, like in Japan and
Germany after WWII. "
WWII actions against Japan and Germany were not "regime changes" that "worked," they were
total wars of destruction, conquest and genocide of the German people, in the case of
Germany, which lost ~10 of its pop. while Japan lost ~5%.
Japan has recovered, to a certain extent, probably because Japan's adversary was not Jews.
Germany is still a fully occupied and de-culturalized state. Witness, for example, the
Thompson article where Hindemann is compelled to discuss "Nazis" totally out of context.
"I was often told by leading neocon figures that the Muslims and particularly the Iraqis had
no culture worth keeping and that once we had created new facts, (a Karl Rove quote) these
people would quickly abandon their old ways and beliefs as they sought to become something
like Americans. This notion has one major flaw. It is not necessarily correct."
Only the meanest culture -free bastards can get away with this as a policy statement . It
is millions times worse when someone condones it by saying " It is not necessarily
correct"
That argument rests on assumptions that I consider ugly, a-historical, and
counterproductive. What was done to Germany and Japan -- and to the former Ottoman empire as well as Iran --
from ~1907 'til today, was precipitated by some of the world's greatest psychopaths. They are
still at large. THAT is the problem, not "HBD."
One of the reasons Tom Friedman supplied for his support to Iraq war among many similar
excuses, was the support Saddam offered to the suicide bombers. One of the reason the terrorist one day may think is the support given by the Zionists to
the bombers attacker gentile politicians .
Come to think of it, I mostly agree with this comment: Col. Lang conflated American
operating principle of "Manifest Destiny" with the zionist / neoconservative ideology
(psychopathology).
imo the process is more subtle: Manifest Destiny/Anglos and zionist/neoconservatives share
mythological roots in Abrahamism, which posits that the "chosen" have a lock on truth,
morality and god, and that they have the right and obligation to destroy anyone who fails to
subscribe to that truth and their overlordship of it -- Evangelical Christians and Anglicans
hold this concept fast.
The zionist twist on this is twofold: First, Jews believe they are the ordained by god to
be in charge; Jews have been chosen by god to "teach the world ethics, to drag the rest of
the world kicking and screaming to behave morally." http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/96037069.html
Apparently, some Jews really believe this.
Second, but the larger zionist agenda is to establish Jews as a hegemonic if not global
imperial power from a base in Israel, and they are using USA treasure, political and military
power as its tool to achieve what are, ultimately, Jewish goals.
To be sure, US policymakers, elites, and tens of thousands of ordinary citizens willingly
and/or unwittingly subscribe to a similar predatory and dominating agenda. But if (when?)
Jewish zionists achieve their goals, US will be discarded like toilet paper.
It's useful to recognize that the early leaders of the zionist movement -- Herzl, Nordau,
Pinsker and others -- recognized early on that Jews needed the support of a major power to
achieve their goals, and solicited that support from the German kaiser, the Ottoman sultan,
and the British.
When Chaim Weizmann's activities to gain British support were successful, the same zionist
Jews who had earlier petitioned Germany and Ottoman turned violently against those
same powers and brought about their destruction. Germany's destruction was maneuvered in
short order; the destruction of the Ottoman empire successor states has taken longer.
there are plenty of interventionists on the press for democracy and "capitalism" as cause
for stabilizing regions that are not Jews or all that active in Zionists policies.
The desire to regime change in North Korea and parts of Africa are not all that beneficial
to Zionist ambitions. I am not all convinced that Israel is a democracy. But it's clear that
neither Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan are going to raving democratic capitalist states –
every. Muslim faith precludes such a system. even if said states did embrace democracy --
there is no evidence and would in all likelihood not reflect what exists in the US. Because
what exists in the US is founded on a particular history and environment and inter-relational
dynamics.
The grand narrative they advance would be attractive as policy even minus the existence of
Israel.
-- Cutting off nonsense at the pass: I do think Israel has a right to exist. –
Ah, you want me to propagandize for your preferred positions. You want me to scream every
day that the JEWS did it. You are supposed to be able to read between the lines and understand
the truth of things. You are more of sa simpleton than I had thought. You should stay off my
blog.
There was neither regime change nor unconditional surrender in Japan.
Germany was destroyed, physically and politically.
Indoctrination of the Germans with their guilt for two world wars, and the murder of six
million jews, goes on to this day.
But even this indoctrination is crumbling.
Many Germans do not see how the country they live in, that should just have a defensive army,
cooperates in wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.
Many Germans see how the poor jews who survived the holocaust treat the Palestinians.
Germany now is going to buy Predators:
Okay, Sachs has corpses in his closet. And yes, Dore is dopey. (Sachs has been on MSNBC
many times. It was no mistake.) But, IMO, take gold where you find it . limited hangout or
not.
If your adversary speaks some truth, that doesn't make it a lie. Plus, you're not going to
get every angle covered n every clip. The fact that he called out US covert fomentation of
regime-change in Syria makes this golden.
Here's the clip without Jimmy Dore's interruptions, only 5 min.
If you split the difference between two extremes, you end up pleasing no one and being
attacked by both sides. Democracy is a flower that smells sweet and ends up in the pipe of
every crackpot loon in history. In this world, facts and reality matter. Ideology is the
shortcut that retards use to move the masses towards easy solutions that make life hard.
Blood and religion form bonds. Ideas just make the stupid angry and the smart embrace
theories and abandon reliable methods. New ideas can be beneficial or they can be fair, they
rarely can be both. Without winners there are no losers. Unless you benefit from work, there
is no incentive to do it.
There are no simple solutions. There are no complex problems. Problems can always be
simplified by division and parsing. Solutions can only be simplified to avoid the hard facts
and avoid actually solving them.
What has any of this have to do with the subject? These are the things you need to bring to
the table.
Discussing this issue will lead to nothing but overly emotional hype and obfuscation. Using
the above can stop the endless appeals to emotionalism that carries the masses away from
facts.
I'll say to you what I say to others. I beat up the Zionists both here and in Israel all
the time but I am not going to say that all Jews are responsible for the ills of the world.
As for the neocons their agenda is much larger than just Zionism.
I am still puzzled by the support given by our European and UK politicians to this
destructive policy. Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon's table?
Our politicians surely can't think they're exceptional too.
Well clearly the US's European satrapies don't share directly in the US updated Manifest
Destiny idea, but the US sphere elites in general are fully indoctrinated in the universalist
ideology of internationalist social-liberalism and "democracy"-uber-alles (where "democracy"
– whether in Republican, constitutional monarchic or other form – is in reality a
kind of managed gerrymander to keep the established and US-favoured elites safely in control
and ensure "populists" are excluded by any means necessary), and sees itself as on a mission
to promote the spread of US style liberal (managed) "democracy" throughout the world (except
where it's currently inconvenient to push it too hard for reasons of temporary expedience,
such as in places like Saudi Arabia). There might well be a psychological component akin to
Stockholm Syndrome, whereby people like Blair, Macron etc see the power of the US and the US exceptionalist ideology over their countries, know they are subordinate to it, and seek to
internalise a wider version of it for themselves so that they can tell themselves that when
they are serving Washington's objectives and profiting handsomely thereby, they are actually
doing it for their own noble ideals.
Then of course, human beings being human, there are also other self-serving motivations
underlying the idealist pretext – collaboration for personal gain with the
jewish/Israeli lobby that is hugely powerful in the UK and Europe as well as in the US,
military-industrial types wanting to boost the status and budgets of the military, etc. These
are the real motivations, as opposed to the legitimising pretext that is the supposedly noble
ideal of American exceptionalism or internationalist social liberalism.
Lately the British regime's enthusiasm for the interventionist project seems to be greater
even than that of the US regime, for instance.
The American Empire is facing a historical junction: does become a mercenary putative
force for Zionist Israel or Will the USA priorize its own NATIONAL interests over Israeli.
The prize of becoming a Zionist surrogate will mean the progressive deterioration of the
American empeirein the Middle East, and the world. America faces severe national debt,
decaying infrastructure, and internal social fragmentation. On the other hand Israel is
poised to become the ENERGY hub for the European, African, Asian economies,without Israeli
OIL supply lines all those economies will be paralyzed. Furthermore American blind,almost
irrational support for Israel will mean more dangerous terrorists attacks and more
frequent..The Trump presidency is in fact a Neocon presidency, the democratic decision making
(war) process is dead, and this Syrian war means that it doesn't matter whom iselected
president ultimately AIPAC, Israel, make the final decisions.
I don't know if anyone outside US believes so called "theoretical background"of the neocons
that they think US is the pinnacle of the human civilization that they want to export their
model to the other places in the world, etc. This is so absurdly stupid is that it is hard to
believe anyone would buy it. All of what they do just talks volumes about what they care for:
money and power; the rest, as can be understood from their lousy "philosophy", are just
details.
I also think that their affection to Israel is fake. People in the power positions do not
have such dispositions. I am sure there is some genuine idiots among US political class who
buys what they actually say but most of them just ride the tide while it is useful for them.
I am sure that once Israel loses its usefulness for the ones who actually wield power inside
US political class, Israel would also be trashed just like Arab countries they destroyed.
Don't assume US neocons are calling all the shots. It was Sarkozy (goaded by Zionist
Bernard Henri Levy) took the lead to attack Libya. And at least some believe London is still
the core of Imperialist aggression.
Yesterday, for the first time, a Russian general pierced this lie on RT when he stated
that there was proof that the UK was behind the well-orchestrated and completely staged
"gas attacks" in Douma.
Yes, you read that right, he said the UK. Not the US, not Israel, not Saudi Arabia, but
the UK. Those of you familiar with my writing know that I am constantly pointing my finger
at the City of London for the lies, deception, and wars which dominate the headlines of
their propaganda rags."
"Is it merely a matter of catching the crumbs from the neocon's table? "
-- Correct. The current breed of opportunists operating without any kind of responsibility
makes the international corps of political whores-in-charge. These politicians look at the Blairs (a $100 million fortune) and Cheney & Bush (both getting richer with every day)
and they know that the opportunisms, however criminal, will be rewarded by the "deciders."
The incompetent and sycophantic politicians in the EU/UK governments have zero regards for
their citizenry. We can be absolutely sure that there are no idealists among the leading UK
politicians in power.
To believe that American ruling class (which is heavily zionized) has any idealistic
motivations instead of a rabid drive for money and power is an illusion. The majority of the
US politicians are committed to the criminal enterprises, whether local or global, when the
enterprises promise a gesheft, which is the only criterion.
OK.
I understand the basic thing you are saying in #69. I don't get your bit about HBD being the reason regime change won't work wrt Arabs.
WHY will regime change "not work w/ Arabs" ? Is it because Arab states have fewer and less
complex political structures and institutions? That surely does not apply to Iran, but then
Iran is not Arab (tho many Arabs are in the Iranian population. Thus, Iran is already a more
complex culture than USA/Europe is willing to be).
I cannot buy the notion that Arabs as Arabs are biologically capable of lesser
civilizational attainment -- different, maybe, but it takes an exceptionalist to claim that
civilization A is superior to civilization B, for solely biological reasons.
Reading the Wikipedia article on Timber Sycamore, I'm struck by the significance of Sachs'
omission; TS is a US program, but the overall effort it's a part of is more of a Sunni Arab
project than an American one. Saudi Arabia is providing more money and weapons, Jordan is
hosting the effort, Qatar gives money, etc; it's a US-backed Sunni program.
I'm talking about the moral component; I think our Zionist interventionist policies are
stupid, not in American interests, and really only serve Zionist interests. but it's not
really "our" mess, as Sachs states, so much as a Sunni/Zionist mess.
Glad you made that distinction, between zionists and neocons.
Zionism is just about the most complex -ism on the planet.
Neocons are just what they say they are: Trotskyites in Beltway drag. Trotskyites
dominated the Jerusalem Conference in 1979 when GWOT was birthed; G H W Bush did doula
duty.
I wonder what the linkage is between Jabotinsky and Trotsky? Both are revolutionaries,
both advocate violence. Jabotinsky picked up on that change in Jewish behavior from
petitioning from a posture of subservience– shtadlones – to demanding,
with arrogance; Netanyahu is his worthy acolyte.
Neocons have some genuine psychopaths among them -- the world would be a better place if
an ice axe were wielded in Ledeen's vicinity.
It's consistent with what Ronen Bergman told Brian Williams http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982#46318982 "Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, "hoping that by taking out
individuals, they can alter, change the course of history,"
It would be really nice if it were possible to "put this tired, tattered old straw man to
bed", but it is not likely to happen. The radical Zionists immediately use criticism of
Israel to conflate criticism of Zionism with anti-Semitism. This is made far easier for them
by the confusion around "Jewishness" that is deliberately (and conveniently, for their
purposes) cultivated; is being a Jew a racial thing, a religious thing, a cultural thing
regardless of the individual Jew's adherence to and practice of the tenets of Judaism? This
ambiguity opens the door for claims that criticisms of the excesses of radical Zionism are at
root leveled against all Jews regardless of their actual beliefs, political behaviors,
and their self-perception regarding their roles in the life of the nation. Of course, true
anti-Semites do in fact hold all Jews responsible for the actions of rabid Zionists, so
everybody "wins".
Except for real flesh and blood Jews, who are individuals with their own agency. My oldest
friend is a Jew, I work with Jews, I make classical music with Jews. So I will never buy the
blanket condemnation of Jews qua Jews. Do I wish that more American Jews would
distance themselves from and be more critical of the "professional Jews" who are in
leadership roles at radical Zionist organizations? Yes, but I have some sympathy for why this
does not happen. As a historically disparaged minority, albeit with some reasons for that
status, the reluctance is self-enforcing; there is a disincentive to talk smack on your
"community" for fear of the ostracism, and reputational and career damage that might follow
(there is no reasoning with one-issue fanatics, after all).
Look at how blacks who lodge criticism of the behaviors of some in their community
make out. Not too well, even when the criticisms are justified, and the ills perpetuated by
these criticized behaviors work to the detriment not only of individual blacks, but also to
the perception of blacks in general in the wider society.
So I think that Col. Lang is justified in his refusal to tar all Jews with the sins and
excesses of some portion of that community. This seems to me to be intellectually and morally
correct. Certainly it serves to help put the criticisms of NeoConservatism out there while
yet insulating him to a degree from the blanket charges of anti-Semitism. And indeed, the
NeoCons are not strictly radical Zionists, and some among them have other motivations
behind their actions.
Short answer, F,UK were the world's leading imperial powers before WWII and seek to
leverage American military and financial power to restore some degree of imperial power. The
Atlantic Charter and the UN Charter were bitter pills for the old empires. France sought to
override the UN Charter by force in Vietnam and Algeria, but lacked the wherewithall.
Britain, France, and Israel sought to override it by force in the 1956 Suez Crisis until
Daddy Ike told them that it wasn't cool. The umbrella of American power is their best
remaining means of re-establishing imperial power. It puts the onus on the US for violations
of international law, but promises them some restoration of imperial power in MENA.
Looking at the parade of toads that have occupied the White House in recent years, I have
more and more respect for Eisenhower's balls in the 1956 crisis. Such a move by an American
President seems unimaginable today.
Neocon-run Twitter took out Red Elephants account.
Twitter bans Red Elephants but lets CNN have many accounts. Twitter favors Official
Lies of the Conspiratorial Deep State against Speculative Dissent of Free
Thinkers. PC is War against ASK SPEECH. We are not supposed to ASK questions of the Globalist
Power.
According to Rules of Political Correctness, ASK SPEECH is not FREE SPEECH. Don't you dare
ASK Questions. Just accept the Answers provided by Ministry of Propaganda or MSM that
colludes with Deep State of NSA, CIA, FBI, Wall Street, and Hollywood. PC says we should
Ass-kiss than Ask Questions.
World is divided between Askingers and Ass-Kissers. Those who ask questions of the power
and those who ass-kiss the power. Unsurprisingly, most people in power got there by
ass-kissing and being ass-kissed. We must ASK WHY.
"Making the world safe for democracy" was the sales pitch for preserving the F, UK empires
long before there was Israel. That effort was driven largely by American Blue Blood bankers
who had risky investments in the UK war effort. American Jews were suspected of loyalty to
the Kaiser because they loathed the Russian Tsar.
Hillary Mann Leverett, (looking very sharp), Michael Patrick Flanagan, Don DeBar.
CrossTalk on US Foreign Policy: Aggressive Posture
"It doesn't matter who the president is. It doesn't matter which party controls the White
House. One can easily ask the following question: Is Trump's time in office serving George W.
Bush's third term or Barack Obama's third term? The neocons are firmly in the saddle."
It is much better to view this issue in ideological terms as neocons and neoliberalas and
remnant of paleoconservatives and News Dealers.
Notable quotes:
"... Jews are a powerful voice but they are, by and large, not in the decision-making seat. Why do you absolve Trump, Haley, Pence, Bolton, etc.? Maybe they are "brainwashed" by the Jews? Well maybe the Jews are "brainwashed" too? ..."
Today, America's Big Jews and Little Jews bear responsibility for this sad situation
– end of story.
That is simply ignorant and racist. Most of the Senate is not Jews, the President is not a
Jew, the Secretary of Defense is not a Jew, and the vast majority of general aren't Jews. Yet
they are all going along with this "bomb Syria" thing, with a few exceptions – one of
them being Bernie Sanders, a Jew.
Jews are a powerful voice but they are, by and large, not in the decision-making seat.
Why do you absolve Trump, Haley, Pence, Bolton, etc.? Maybe they are "brainwashed" by the
Jews? Well maybe the Jews are "brainwashed" too?
I don't see how you get to selectively blame one group and absolve others except via
ignorant, counterproductive and stupid racism.
By the way, Jerry Brown is a huge advocate of open borders and a primary contributor to
it. Is he a Jew too?
It's fair and honorable to point out the Jewish role in these affairs, but it is just as
unfair and dishonorable to not only ignore, but try to bury, the non-Jewish role in these
affairs.
I agree with "think peace" – but the non-Jews Trump, Pence, Ryan, Haley, Pompeo,
etc. are anything but peaceful. I don't see any Jewish guns to their head, so they are 100%
responsible for their own actions. Why do you excuse them? Hmmm?
The Zioncons have got Trump by the balls through their pitbull Robert Mueller and poodle Rod
Rosenstein. I despise Alan Dershowitz as he is a major Zionist but I agree with him when he
said Jeff Sessions needs to unrecuse himself, fire Mueller and Rosenstein. Trump's hands are
tied. If he fires any of these 3 clowns, both the DNC and GOP will immediately try to impeach
him. It's time for Jeff Sessions to grow a pair, unrecuse himself, fire the pitbull and the
poodle, and start immediate investigation into Mueller, Rosenstein and their collusion with
Clinton on Uranium One.
I was one of Jeff Sessions' biggest supporters, complained loudly when Trump wanted to
fire him. Now I wish I hadn't. Trump was right and should've fired him. He's easily the
weakest, most worthless AG. The biggest case is swirling around him threatening to kill off
everything that Trump wanted to do, and he's doing absolutely nothing to help the man who
hired him.
According to Wikipedia's article on him, Larry Silverstein built 7 World Trade Center,
then in January 2001 bought the entire WTC complex from the Port Authority of NY & NJ,
then "After a protracted dispute with insurers over the amount of coverage available for
rebuilding World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, 4 and 5, a series of court decisions determined
that a maximum of $4.55 billion was payable and settlements were reached with the insurers in
2007.[21]" It says nothing about his receipt of funds from the collapse of #7, which was
surely a controlled demolition that he ordered, so that he had to have known in advance and
planned for the 9/11 attacks -- on the taller buildings, 1 & 2. But foreknowledge doesn't
necessarily mean that he planned the 9/11 attacks, nor that he financed them -- far less that
the Mossad did the attacks.
If the 19 fanatical Sunnis who did 9/11 did it, and some people (such as here) think that
Israel financed them, or ordered them, then people can believe anything, but mere
foreknowledge doesn't necessarily mean causation. All of the actual evidence, thus far
released, indicates that the Sauds, working with George W. Bush, planned the attacks, but
that Bush demanded deniability and therefore instructed Condoleezza Rice not to let George
Tenet in during the final days to tell him the details so that action to prevent it would be
able to be taken.
If you google just the three words (no quotation-marks) "zuesse sauds 9/11″ you can
see the articles, which link through to the base evidence, all of which implicates the Sauds,
and none of which implicates Israel (though my linked article on Israel as the hypothesis
does discuss and demolish 'evidence' that Israel did it).
Sir, You are shredding your own credibility here. The more anyone looks into the lead up
to 9/11 and the events following, the more one has to conclude that Israel was behind it.
Sure, there were others who played minor roles but you can only see things as you say you do
by selectively excluding certain incriminating facts because taken all together, Israel did
it.
A cursory understanding of physics reveals the truth of the statement in that short video
clip that if one building was wired for demolition, all three were. This was a large, costly
and sophisticated undertaking so who had access? Who supervised the security of the
buildings? How many of the names one comes across suddenly abandoned homes and businesses and
returned to Israel after the event? Who was able to quash earlier, more accurate reports and
organise the media chorus of the fake narrative in time for the evening news broadcasts? The
list is long indeed, I have listed but a small fraction of indicators that Israel did indeed
do it.
Did you make this up while on the toilet or while keyboarding your UNZ BS?
W was the one NOT in the loop. Too dumb to trust. The yehudi Saudis do what they are
told.
The evidence implicating the Sauds would consist of lies. Like the 'evidence' implicating
Assad to chemical attacks if such even occur.
Few Saudis and 9-11: Wolfowitz al Saud, Zelikow al Saud, Feith al Saud, Wurmsers al Saud,
Libby al Saud, Zakheim al Saud, Chertoff al Saud. Just a very few.
UUUge mistake, Jimmy Dore; you should have done some homework before you elevated Jeffrey
Sachs to truth-teller status. Spend a few minutes with The Saker -- William Engdah interview:
http://thesaker.is/the-rape-of-russia-saker-blog-exclusive-interview/
Sache is not trustworthy.
Sachs worked closely w/ Soros to plunder USSR/ FSU. His job now is to establish
Jews/Israel/banker class, Deep State of which he's a part, and think tankers as absolutely
innocent of any complicity in the destruction of Syria. He's most likely in it up to his
eyeballs.
"Harvey" Oswald didn't shoot anyone -- his denial was perfectly plausible, and his murder
at Ruby's hands was a desperate stopgap measure to shut him up before he started naming his
handlers who had framed him. Badly.
They never planned to let "Harvey" survive to see an actual trial, because of the lack of
evidence against him, and therefore the evidence of a high-level conspiracy would then be so
obvious.
No trial, no test of the evidence against him.
"Harvey" was exactly what he claimed to be -- he was the patsy.
"... The Russians have clearly prepared for such an attack ever since the Shayrat strike the very powerful Russian radars in Syria are capable of tracking any flying object and the Syrian SAM batteries are networked into that system and are fed that radar data in real time ..."
"... As for the Pantsir yes this point defense system is the perfect tool to shoot down cruise missiles it is the successor of the Tor SAM system that was designed specifically to shoot down T-hawks ..."
"... The older SAMs did not perform badly according to the Russian MoD assessment the S125 is a 1950s era system that the Serbs used to down two F117s and an F16 much more difficult targets than a T-hawk ..."
If taken at face value, one detail that stands out is that the Russians' original boast
that the missile attack was thwarted by "old Soviet-era air defense" is not true. 47 of the
71 intercepts they claim were done by modern Pantsir and Buk systems that Syria purchased
around 2010. The older systems had noticeably worse performance than the modern systems.
The other interesting tidbit there is that the Russian General claims that "the survey of
this and other facilities revealed neither this number of ammunition fragments nor the
corresponding number of craters". In other words, as FB states above, that even though 25
missiles hypothetically got through in the attacks on Barzeh and Djaramani, the damage on the
ground does not correspond to that many missiles.
' I don't believe that "the fix was in" because the runways of major military airports
were targeted. There was no guarantee that the Pantsir and Buk's would be as effective as
they were. I don't see Putin happily agreeing to have those airport runways put out of
commission. a bit of deconfliction, yes, a total charade, no '
I agree with this on the basis of sound logic. There is no way that we can know the facts
about what kind of communuication and coordination [if any] took place behind the scenes. But
we have a lot of inconsistencies in the US narrative first we were told that eight targets
were going to be hit then, post facto, it was just three.
One of the sites the Barzeh research center in Damascus area was supposedly hit 76 times
this on an area of about one acre [half a hectare...5,000 square meters]. Looking at high
quality pictures of the site after the attack it is clear that adjacent buildings only meters
from the targeted site are undamaged as are light poles surrounding the whole complex as well
as stands of pine trees again only meters away
The idea that 76 450kg high explosive warheads detonated here is visibly absurd and is
quite easy to analyze technically using accepted and authoritative engineering methods for
explosive effects
I consider it proven beyond doubt that there is no chance whatsoever that 76 missiles hit
that site I doubt it would even be one tenth of that
And it is also logical to ask why would you even launch 76 missiles on a one acre complex
that has three buildings a single T-hawk can take out a building or even a ship as seen on
the pentagon show off video below
The answer is obvious of course no military professional would send 76 missiles on one
small target that is simply bullshit
So that brings us to the next logical question if they did not send 76 missiles at Barzeh
where did they go ?
Well that's what makes the story of airfields targeted but the missiles intercepted
believable
Let's remember we are dealing with Proven Liars here everybody knows that recetly
Phil Giraldi had an article here titled 'Liars Lying About Everything '
The few pictures I've seen of interception attempts were all too high in the sky to be
targetting a TLAM or a Storm Shadow which are ground following missiles. They need to fly
high enough to avoid power lines but that's it. (Apparently in Iraq 1, hitting power lines
was the main mechanism by which they and most lost US Marine Corps helicopters were destroyed
).
The professional military people knew what was at stake in limiting the damage engendered by
the war crime engaged in to placate the neocon power structure. Since armageddon was at
stake, even according to Mattis's own statements, he apparently was able to rein Trump in to
some degree, according to this contribution and more clearly from some other reports. We now
also have increasing proof that the "chemical weapons" thing was a provocation, though the
yankee regime's worldwide propaganda wurlitzer keeps playing the same nihilist song. I agree
with others who have concluded that if Mattis is eliminated, that is when we will have to
worry. Presumably, for now, since the normal secrecy is combined with a laudable profound
survival instinct, the military will keep a lid on any investigations this generates. If not,
as Whitney has indicated, we are in deep shit.
What exactly do you know about the flight characteristics of cruise missiles ?
Over on the other thread you first tried to argue that the Barzeh site I discussed in my technical
analysis was not the site of the missile strike
Then when I provided a sat image released by the pentagon and published in newspapers
around the world confirming definitively that the site I analyzed in my original
comment was indeed the site of the missile strike you said this
' I didn't say it was a fake picture. I said it was a demolition site. The same site
being demolished as a conjecture. The best alternative at the moment is that the
payloads were not 450 kg '
I then pointed out to you the physical fact of flight that removing 450 kg from the
nose of a winged cruise missile would shift its center of gravity in the aft direction and
make the missile unflyable
Not being able to argue with the laws of physics you then suggested that the 450 kg
warhead was replaced by an equal weight with less explosive power since we had already
established that the lack of damage to nearby structures was inconsistent with 76 claimed
T-hawk hits on that small site
At which point I mentioned that your statements were on a level with the Prince Charles
infamous 'tampon' phone call hence your new nickname Tampon Phil
Now here you are again just asking for more punishment
You may also wish to consult a topographical map of
Syria to see some of the mountains that these cruise missiles would have to fly over to
reach those inland targets
You will note the north to south mountain chain along the coast including the
Anti-Lebanese Mountains that rise to 10,000 ft
My discussion of the T-hawk technical characteristics in that link above includes such
crucial parameter as wing loading and thrust to weight ratio which determine this flight
vehicle's climb rate and turn rate
' The few pictures I've seen of interception attempts were all too high in the sky to be
targetting a TLAM or a Storm Shadow which are ground following missiles.
They need to fly high enough to avoid power lines but that's it '
And how do they get over those mountains Tampon Phil ?
Are they ground following there too ?
And also please let us know the scaling method you used to determine the height of those
missiles from photos that would be helpful
Yes there is no question that the US would have targeted Syrian airfields apparently a few
did get through at one airfield but the others were fully rejected
Laymen who know nothing about aircraft or missiles do not understand the complexities and
detail involved they simply accept the brochure 'information' presented on wikipedia and such
about the capabilities of such flight vehicles
This does not shed any light on a fascinating and important subject important because now
we have had some air combat between US and Nato airpower [Ship, sub and air launched cruise
missiles vs. Russian air defenses]
Clearly the Russians won there was not a single death on the Syrian side the US did
destroy a few buildings most notably the Barzeh research center in the Damascus area
We can tell the Russians won this round because the US is claiming completely ridiculous
stuff that they launched 76 T-hawks with a combined TNT tonnage of nearly 40 tons yet little
pine shrubs standing 20 feet away are completely intact
I mean how stupid ?
Clearly the US is claiming such a high number of attacks on the three buildings that they
did hit because they failed to hit those airfields and we know that they failed to hit those
airfields because if they did we would have satellite imagery being boastfully released
You can tell as much by the information that is withheld as you can by the information
they give out
Now for some basic technical facts cruise missiles are not hard to shoot down once they
are spotted but the hard part is spotting them because they are small and thus do not bounce
back strong radar reflections
They can fly close to terrain although this is not always the case as I have
explained previously and depends on the ingress route and the type of terrain along that
flight path ie if it is required to fly over mountainous terrain it must fly quite high
In 1999 the Serbs shot down a number T-hawks with their 1950s era Soviet equipment here is
the remains of one T-hawk airframe in the Belgrade Aviation Museum
Once spotted on radar the T-hawks and similar subsonic cruise missiles are sitting ducks
they have no means of evading missile shots either from an air to air missile launched
from a fighter jet or a surface to air missile launched from an air defense battery
A fighter jet relies on a radar warning receiver to alert the crew that it has been
targeted by a missile shot and the crew can instantly commence evasive maneuver which is
basically going into a steep banked turn so as to break radar lock and evade the missile
shot
Cruise missiles have no such RWR and it would be pointless to equipment with such since
they have very poor turning performance
This is due to their very high wing loading which is the ratio of wing area to aircraft
weight a T-hawk weighs about 3,000 lb but has a wing area of only about 10 square feet for a
wing loading of 300 lb/ft^2
That is about three times as high as a passenger jet's wing loading and as much as five
times higher than a fighter jet
Think of wing loading and how it relates to maneuverability by considering a person
carrying a backpack if that person is running and they need to change course having that
extra weight on their back will not let them zigzag like a runner carrying no weight
The same is true for climb performance think of carrying 100 lb in your backpack and
climbing up a set of stairs
The physical laws of flight performance are based on Newtonian Mechanics and cannot be
argued with
The thrust to weight ratio of a cruise missile is about comparable to that of a passenger
jet the thrust of the T-hawks Williams turbofan engine is about 700 lb against a weight of
3,000 lb that is less than 0.25 thrust to weight
A powerful fighter like an F15 will have a thrust to weight ratio of close to unity or
even above ie it's engine thrust is actually equal to or greater than its weight and the
airplane can thus climb straight up like a rocket
So the key in defending against subsonic cruise missiles which fly at about the same speed
as passenger jet, about 500 mph [800 km/hr] is to pick them up on radar
The Russians have clearly prepared for such an attack ever since the Shayrat strike
the very powerful Russian radars in Syria are capable of tracking any flying object and the
Syrian SAM batteries are networked into that system and are fed that radar data in real
time
We also saw in some of those missile intercept videos near the Damascus airport that
Syrian jets were taking off and landing this is because the jets would use their onboard
radar to find the cruise missiles and data link that info back to the SAM batteries
A fighter is easily capable of taking down a cruise missile with an AA shot also but this
all comes down to pilot skill and training something which the SyAAF may not be dealing with
on a regular basis considering their focus on the fight against ground targets in Jihadist
areas
As for the Pantsir yes this point defense system is the
perfect tool to shoot down cruise missiles it is the successor of the Tor SAM system that was designed
specifically to shoot down T-hawks
The older SAMs did not perform badly according to the Russian MoD assessment the S125
is a 1950s era system that the Serbs used to down two F117s and an F16 much more difficult
targets than a T-hawk
The S200 is a huge missile with a 350 km range exceeded only by the latest S400 long range
missile introduced into service only a couple of years ago
It flies extremely fast 2,500 m/s which is about Mach 8 it is even faster than the new
S400 missiles which fly at 2,000 m/s by comparison the USN Raytheon SM6 air defense missile
used on Aegis missile ships flies only at M3.5 about 1,000 m/s
The high speed of the S200 is actually its disadvantage against a slow moving target like
a cruise missile the laws of physics tell us that the faster the vehicle is flying, the
larger its turn radius will be thus the big S200 is not going to do well against cruise
missiles this is not surprising
Overall the Russian MoD version of events is certainly way more credible than the US
version which is full of holes
Looks like it was all about Turkey. "Turkey seems to me to be the swing state here. You cannot isolate Russia without Turkey.
Not only do they uncork themselves form the Black Sea , there will be no NATO fodder with
casualties that no one cares about. Turkey is a big chunk of NATO. This is to sy nothing
about trade. Sanction sound nice and dandy in the US, but in Turkey it wrecks their
economy."
Notable quotes:
"... Suffice it to say, that the information from these US-funded organizations is invariably unreliable. Their sole task is to create a justification for more carnage. ..."
"... In fact, the appointments of warhawks John Bolton and Mike Pompeo to the national security team, suggests that Trump may be planning a major escalation in the near future. The president has aligned himself with a Zionist right-wing fringe who see the conflict as a proxy-war with Iran that must be won in order to establish US-Israeli regional hegemony and maintain a stranglehold on vital resources and pipeline corridors. Trump's missile attack is just a minor skirmish in that much larger war. ..."
"... I am a card carrying deplorable. I prefer Trump to Mueller. But I can no longer defend Trump. He is a Zionist first and an American second. ..."
"... I don't believe that "the fix was in" because the runways of major military airports were targeted. There was no guarantee that the Pantsir and Buk's would be as effective as they were. ..."
"... If Trump gets in trouble for a fake missile attack in response to a fake chemical weapons attack that made use of non-existent WMD, then what can I say? ..."
"... Regardless of Trump's ignorance, who still believes in presidents having real power by status of function alone, Obama never mattered neither, the pot-shots were a worthy experiment on how to apply global rule, by global consensus ..."
"... "Or perhaps we should judge Trump by the company he keeps. Bolton in Washington and Israel/Saudi Arabia in the MENA. The scum of the earth." ..."
"... Yes, I base my opinion of Trump's loyalties on exactly that. It started with his appointment of Nikki Haley and all the Trumpeteers on ZH chanting "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Just seeing the way his choices of neocons and Goldman Sachs thieves for his inner circle were being defended by people who claimed to have voted for him kept me from defending Trump. ..."
"... Turkey seems to me to be the swing state here. You cannot isolate Russia without Turkey. Not only do they uncork themselves form the Black Sea , there will be no NATO fodder with casualties that no one cares about. Turkey is a big chunk of NATO. This is to sy nothing about trade. Sanction sound nice and dandy in the US, but in Turkey it wrecks their economy. ..."
"... Seems to me that Trump is trying to walk a tightrope here he likely knows the 'chemical' attack is a false flag and his response was designed to appease the zios without actually causing much damage ..."
In short, the attacks accomplished nothing except, perhaps, to temporarily mollify the
warmongering western media and their bloodthirsty puppetmasters in the foreign policy
establishment.
The fact that Trump felt compelled to launch the attacks before the chemical weapons
inspectors from the OPCW had even touched down in Damascus, shows that Washington is not
interested in providing justifications for its criminal aggression. Similar to claims of Russia
hacking the 2016 US elections or the alleged use of toxic nerve agent in the Skripal incident,
the case against Syrian President Bashar al Assad was based on the thin gruel of uncorroborated
allegations by jihadist-linked organizations on the ground whose long history of staging
provocative incidents to foment a crisis is part of the public record. We're not going to waste
our time on that nonsense here. Suffice it to say, that the information from these
US-funded organizations is invariably unreliable. Their sole task is to create a justification
for more carnage.
... ... ...
Some readers will remember that Trump tacitly revealed his motivation for the attacks in a
tweat he delivered just days before the incident. Here's what he said on April 11:
"Much of the bad blood with Russia is caused by the Fake & Corrupt Russia
Investigation, headed up by the all Democrat loyalists, or people that worked for Obama.
Mueller is most conflicted of all (except Rosenstein who signed FISA & Comey letter). No
Collusion, so they go crazy!" The Real Donald Trump
What Trump is saying is that his real enemy is Mueller not Putin. It's Mueller, the bigwig
Dems and the media that are fomenting this Russphobic hysteria and trying to destroy Trump. And
that's what precipitated the 'wag the dog' scenario that unfolded on April 14th. Trump was
trying to get his enemies off his back by incinerating a few empty buildings in Syria. And, it
almost worked, but now information is beginning to leak-out that could be damaging to both
Trump and his chief lieutenants.
... ... ...
...how does one explain this tidbit from RT:
"Before we took the action, the United States communicated with the Russian Federation to
reduce the danger of any Russian or civilian casualties," (US Ambassador to Russia) Jon
Huntsman said, claiming that "all the targets were linked with the Assad regime's illegal
chemical weapons program."
The US ambassador to Russia said that the US strikes were coordinated with Russia to avoid
a great power confrontation." (RT)
Military analyst Publius Tacitus is even more explicit in a post at Colonel Pat Lang's
website, Sic Semper Tyrannis. He says:
"Russia was told where we were going to strike. Russia in turn warned the Syrians. Both
the Syrians and the Russians evacuated key personnel and equipment from the target sites. Any
claim by the United States that we caused devastating damage or destroyed essential
capabilities is total fantasy." (Trump's big Flop in Syria", Publius Tacitus, Sic semper
Tyrannis)
... ... ...
In any event, we can see that the April 14 missile attacks were largely a symbolic
muscle-flexing exercise that was aimed at pacifying Trump's domestic rivals rather than
punishing Assad for crimes he never committed. (It is worth mentioning that there have been
many credible reports that the US used banned substances in its siege of Raqqa last year.) The
fact that Putin limited his response to a perfunctory denunciation, suggests that Trump
achieved his objectives. (In other words, he avoided WW3) Here's part of what Putin said:
"Russia condemns in the strongest possible terms the attack against Syria, where Russian
military personnel are assisting the legitimate government in its counterterrorism
efforts.
Through its actions, the US makes the already catastrophic humanitarian situation in Syria
even worse and brings suffering to civilians. In fact, the US panders to the terrorists who
have been tormenting the Syrian people for seven years, leading to a wave of refugees fleeing
this country and the region.
The current escalation around Syria is destructive for the entire system of international
relations." (Kremlin, RU)
Putin is right. Washington's support for the Sunni extremists in Syria has prolonged the war
and turned the country into a smoldering wastelands. Unfortunately, it does not look like the
US is going to throw in the towel anytime soon. In fact, the appointments of warhawks John
Bolton and Mike Pompeo to the national security team, suggests that Trump may be planning a
major escalation in the near future. The president has aligned himself with a Zionist
right-wing fringe who see the conflict as a proxy-war with Iran that must be won in order to
establish US-Israeli regional hegemony and maintain a stranglehold on vital resources and
pipeline corridors. Trump's missile attack is just a minor skirmish in that much larger
war.
Prof Emeritus Steve Cohen essentially concurs with your analysis. Tonight Cohen expressed
concern that the national drumbeat against Trump essentially checkmates any efforts to repair
US-Russian relations.
As an aside, UR readers are referred to Robert Fisk's very recent report in the UK
Independent that the purported Syrian gas attack actually arose from artillery-induced
asphyxiation in underground tunnels.
I don't believe that "the fix was in" because the runways of major military airports were
targeted. There was no guarantee that the Pantsir and Buk's would be as effective as they
were. I don't see Putin happily agreeing to have those airport runways put out of commission.
a bit of deconfliction, yes, a total charade, no. This could have quite easily escalated
Why fiasco ?
The effectiveness of anything can only be judged by knowing what the objective was.
Those who want Syria, or/and Assad attacked, most of them, have the idea that something was
done.
Difficult for USA propaganda media to state that Trump did nothing.
Then there now is the fact that Syrian systems are quite capable of resisting missile
attacks.
Possibly Israel will think twice before launching another attack.
So in my opinion, what Trump did is possibly a great success.
If Trump gets in trouble for a fake missile attack in response to a fake chemical weapons
attack that made use of non-existent WMD, then what can I say? It's really Trump himself more
than the neocons who's to blame. His refusal to grow a pair and stand up to Washington will
ultimately be his downfall.
What Trump is saying is that his real enemy is Mueller not Putin. It's Mueller, the
bigwig Dems and the media that are fomenting this Russphobic hysteria and trying to destroy
Trump. And that's what precipitated the 'wag the dog' scenario that unfolded on April
14th.
It's long past time for Trump to fire Mueller. The fake 'RussiaGate' investigation is over
and didn't find anything actionable. How much longer is Trump going to allow this little
fishing expedition to go on?
Trump was trying to get his enemies off his back by incinerating a few empty buildings
in Syria. And, it almost worked, but now information is beginning to leak-out that could be
damaging to both Trump and his chief lieutenants.
As a candidate, Trump never hesitated to call out the BS in DC. But if, as president, he
goes along with this kabuki-theater, then he deserves what he gets.
Regardless of Trump's ignorance, who still believes in presidents having real power by status
of function alone, Obama never mattered neither, the pot-shots were a worthy experiment on
how to apply global rule, by global consensus. Next to it, Gaza comes to mind, even the South
African government of "natives" see the potential for Boers containment as inspired by Gaza.
Pot-shots, latter Russia moves, Chinese containment attitudes:
By experimenting, science progresses, the science of governing, the size of experiments,
containment, all these goodies that matter and can make for advancements in efficiently,
ruling the human mess into survival. Building data, in a few years, resulting into something
of predictability in a global context, over longer periods of time. More of this dipping into
the chest of tools.
The element to be accented: local experiments, global intent.
"Or perhaps we should judge Trump by the company he keeps. Bolton in Washington and
Israel/Saudi Arabia in the MENA. The scum of the earth."
Yes, I base my opinion of Trump's loyalties on exactly that. It started with his
appointment of Nikki Haley and all the Trumpeteers on ZH chanting "keep your friends close
and your enemies closer". Just seeing the way his choices of neocons and Goldman Sachs
thieves for his inner circle were being defended by people who claimed to have voted for him
kept me from defending Trump.
I figured that he was getting support from a pool of neocons and that made him one of
them.
The missile attacks confirmed Israels control over the U.S. gov which was proven by the fact
that Israel did 911 and got away with killing some 3000 Americans. Israel and her ziocons
control the U.S. gov lock stock and gun barrel and are destroying America.
Assad has never used gas attacks on the Syrian people , these attacks were perpetrated by
the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6 and NATOs Operation Gladio, these people are satanist war
mongers straight from HELL.
God bless Assad and Syria and Putin and Russia for standing against these satanic forces
that are HELL bent on destroying Syria.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American people
believe is false." CIA director William Casey (CIA director, 1981-1987)
Turkey seems to me to be the swing state here. You cannot isolate Russia without Turkey.
Not only do they uncork themselves form the Black Sea , there will be no NATO fodder with
casualties that no one cares about. Turkey is a big chunk of NATO. This is to sy nothing
about trade. Sanction sound nice and dandy in the US, but in Turkey it wrecks their
economy.
What a bunch of shite. It just shows that Mike Whitney and his fans have no idea of what
is actually going on behind the scenes, and continue to glom on to the MSM shrieks of Mueller
and Russia, Russia, Russia.
If you believe this had anything whatsoever to do with Mueller then you're a chump and
clearly don't even deserve to be enlightened. I would suggest turning off the CNN, but you're
already infected.
Mueller has been cock-blocked and Trump is in command. The revelations to come from the IG
Report and more are going to be delicious. There will be much wailing and gnashing of
teeth.
The point was to send a message to Assad that the US and it's allies are able and willing to
take action should he try to cross the red line drawn around Saudi Arabia. Once the war winds
down and the Syrian state starts regrouping and rebuilding there's naturally going to be a
payback time against the regional actors who poured so many resources into trying to demolish
the Syrian state. This means Saudi Arabia which is vulnerable in a number of ways. SA is a
huge customer and spends billions in the US and allied countries and is thus under the US
umbrella of protection as a valuable ally. There's bound to be a lot of nervousness in Riyadh
right now so the US must demonstrate a willingness to act militarily to them.
So he's brought NATO to the table regarding funding, is about to solve the greatest
crisis/threat to the world by bringing NK to the table re; Denuclearization, and has plans to
solve the ME situation (which you clearly know nothing about) using the GCC.
Yet he's a feckless, nutless POS.
You seem to be somewhat lacking in judgement. Beyond redemption with your TDS. A crazed
loon.
Did you miss the first part of the IG's report? Do you realize what's to come? Nah, it's
all Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense with your ilk.
Keep it up – you keep us amused with your ignorant thrashing about.
You raise points of doubt and effectively deal with them yourself. Putin would have been
very unlikely to have been involved in any detailed negotiations over targets. These would
have been dealt with by his military commanders. If airfields were targeted then it would
appear details were indeed known to the Syrian defenders. This goes some of the way to
explain the abysmal success rate of the US missiles in this fiasco as Mike Whitney and many
others rightly call it. So a hoax it certainly was and one to compare with the hoax gas
attack in Eastern Ghouta.
Trump is in the pockets of the Zionists, and has become a Zionist because the one thing he
understands is which side his bread is buttered on. To make sense of anything we do in the ME, you only need to ask one question: "What does
Israel want."
It just seems like a very dangerous ploy for a meaningless reward (the natural resources
Syria and strategic importance of Syria are very modest).
Maybe true, except for the fact that Syria, under Assad's leadership serves as a
convenient land route over which sophisticated weapons produced in Iran are delivered to
Hezbollah defense forces in Lebanon. In my opinion, this is the primary reason behind current
US and Israeli efforts being made to destroy Assad. The bottom line is that Israel has been
attacking it's weak neighbors for such a long time, until they simply find it impossible to
live with the reality of being unable to invade Lebanon on the slightest pretext. In addition
and more ominous, Hezbollah's leader Hassan Rouhani has publically stated that Hezbollah
defense forces may eventually extend their protection to the Palestinian people held captive
in the Gaza Strip
This is what tomfoolery looks like- when "I love mah Generals" and you allow them to
"lead the way."
At the same time we have a "three-pete" of the absolutely idiotic accusations that Assad used
chem-WMDs on his own civilians. Everyone that uses the internet can ferret out the truth.
This isn't ten years ago. This is 2018. Doesn't Intel realize how immature they appear? I'm
not only mad as hell, I'm SO disappointed in just how stupid the Government of the United
States appears to anyone with half a brain.
I'm ashamed of the Country I thought I loved.
I am a card carrying deplorable. I prefer Trump to Mueller. But I can no longer defend
Trump. He is a Zionist first and an American second.
Seems to me that Trump is trying to walk a tightrope here he likely knows the 'chemical'
attack is a false flag and his response was designed to appease the zios without actually
causing much damage
Iran doesn't want to escalate the situation and give Trump any leverage on Iran deal. Iran
wants to deprive any moral political or legal supports from EU to USA on this.
Trump pulls out. Rest remains same. This will give Iran moral political and legal
authorities to pursue its nuclear program with China and Russia . This will have domino
effects on other areas of these 3 countries – how to conduct business internationally.
So a choreographed coordinated attack works for Iran. Trump is happy. His base angry. His
enemies can't go after him for few hours or days . Mad madam prostitute Nick Halley has to be soothed by Kudlow telling her she was not a
demented rat.
Why are many commenters so excited? Everything is appropriate: fake missile strike in
response to fake chemical weapons use.
That's a good way to put it. Just wish Trump had exercised more restraint in his tweet, he
should not have called Assad a "monster". The real monsters are right here in the US, the
Israel Lobby and the Deep State led by Rod Rosenstein the fucking weasel, and the biggest
monster of them all is right there in the White House with him, Mike Pence, the one who hired
Rosenstein, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton. Pence the Ziocon has been working hard to
subvert Trump since Day 1. He wants to be president.
Judging from German press, Germany really looks like a US colony, not even vassal state.
Notable quotes:
"... She was promoted over Kohl's natural successor, Schaeuble, who was discredited using comparatively trifling allegations of accepting improper donations (aka bribes) on behalf of the party. ..."
"... Merkel has betrayed German interests at every turn, most blatantly in the context of the Greek debt fiasco and the refugee fake crisis. She goes along with imposing sanctions on Russia, which hurts export-oriented Germany like no other Western country. ..."
"... Merkel's selection as chancellor does not explain why German electorate keep electing her party as majority, which then is in the position to name her as chancellor. German people have been lobotomized and neutered after decades of Soros-Neocon brainwashing. ..."
The most interesting aspect of this false response to a false flag attack is the non
participation by Germany. Turkey has one foot in both camps. Germany will be next to turn.
Time is working against Imperial Washington.
Merkel is a CIA asset. She has skeletons in her closet from her time in East Germany, and
her meteoric rise to power was clearly engineered by a third party -- she herself lacked both
the experience and the power base within the party for doing it herself. She was promoted
over Kohl's natural successor, Schaeuble, who was discredited using comparatively trifling
allegations of accepting improper donations (aka bribes) on behalf of the party.
Merkel has betrayed German interests at every turn, most blatantly in the context of
the Greek debt fiasco and the refugee fake crisis. She goes along with imposing sanctions on
Russia, which hurts export-oriented Germany like no other Western country. At the same
time, the "ultra-right" (i.e. common sense) party "Alternative fuer Deutschland" is forever
mired in ridiculous infighting, which regularly escalates just ahead of elections -- funny
how that is. Must be those meddling Russians.
Long story short, hell will freeze over before Merkel decides herself what is for
breakfast, never mind for policy. I wish we could clone Putin and import him.
Merkel's selection as chancellor does not explain why German electorate keep electing her
party as majority, which then is in the position to name her as chancellor. German people have been lobotomized and neutered after decades of Soros-Neocon
brainwashing.
There is no other explanation for people who are committing slow self-extermination as a
distinct ethnos. Same with the French electorate: they had a chance to elect a true French
patriot and instead chose another globalist weirdo poodle.
Merkel's party has no majority – actually her party's share of the vote is at
historic lows with less than one third (traditionally it was 45-50%). She has moved that
formerly conservative party to the left by co-opting green and welfare agendas of the
competing parties. The other formerly strong party, the Social Democrats, have been reduced
to a status of auxiliaries in an eternal "grand coalition". In spite of infighting, the new
"right-wing" AfD came in third in the last elections.
But of course, as you say, the people's failure to get rid of her is due in large measure
to relentless media brainwashing, they swallow the refugee nonsense because it is
subliminally suggested that it atones for the "holocaust" etc. I don't read a single German
newspaper anymore, the manure is just too depressing.
Militarily subsidised by Nato, Germany spends next to nothing on its own defence and is
keeping wages down even more than usual by importing immigrants, thereby aiding its
deindustrialising of the rest of the EU. Russia is declining in national power compared to
Germany by getting into silly pissing contests with America. Adolf Hitler always said it
would be necessary to sacrifice millions of Germans to make Germany Great. He would approve
of Merkel.
What keeps German wages down, in real terms, is the Euro, not the migrants.
You are correct on the neglect of the armed forces. I have griped about it often, but I
have recently changed my tune. If the forces were indeed up to snuff, this would only cause
the U.S. to "ask" for their deployment in their many endless idiotic wars. Letting the troops
degrade to some sort of war museum on wheels is a sly way of getting out of that –
can't deploy in the short term, sorry, no spark plugs, but will be more than happy to go
along for the next war so I now see this as one of the few things Merkel got right.
"Philip May, husband of the UK prime minister, works for a company that is the largest
shareholder in arms manufacturer, BAE Systems, whose share price has soared since the recent
airstrikes in Syria.
The company, Capital Group, is also the second-largest shareholder in Lockheed Martin -- a US
military arms firm that supplies weapons systems, aircraft and logistical support. Its shares
have also rocketed since the missile strikes last week. . . ."
We have got it: Philip Owen believes religiously in the words of Theresa May, Boris
Johnson, and Gavin Willaimson. And, of course, Blair is a paragon of honesty for Philip
Owen.
What are you doing here, on the Unz Review? -- This is not a ziocon stink-tank source of
(dis)information, and this is not the ziocons-controlled MSM's presstitutes' haven.
You make yourself ridiculous by parroting the MSM "wisdom." Your frustration over the
impending defeat of "moderate" terrorists in Syria affects your reason and amplifies your
rabid hatred of Russia. Don't expect any sympathy for your "victimhood" on this site.
"Porton Down is just one of the Pentagon-funded military laboratories in 25 countries
across the world, where the US Army produces and tests man-made viruses, bacteria and toxins
in direct violation of the UN convention . These US bio-laboratories are funded by the
Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program–
Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union
countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.
The Pentagon-funded military facilities are not under the direct control of the host state as
the US military and civilian personnel is working under diplomatic cover. The local
governments are prohibited from public disclosure of sensitive information about the foreign
military program running on their own territory."
– All statements in this article are sourced, unlike the pronouncement of the miserable
puppets Blair, May, Johnson, and Willaimson.
Trump is a typical business tycoon: a clueless moron. Pence is just a weasel. Weasels are
carnivores, but small ones: sometimes they eat, sometimes they get eaten. I hope Pence gets
eaten.
In response to a caller's concern, Oklahoma congressman Steve Russell told the C Span
Washington Journal audience this morning that there was "no danger from a chemical plume"
after missiles struck Syrian chemical plants "because the attack was designed to burn up" the
fumes.
Russell explained that while "Nazis used chemicals in the holocaust." and Russians
deliberately target hospitals and schools with barrel bombs, "no other nation takes as much
care to prevent harm to civilians" as the USA.
The Corrupt U.S. Congress Cheers as the War Industry Steals Billions from the People's
Coffers !
Christian Sorensen | April 13, 2018
"Missile Production Capacity
In February, Newsbud reported on the war industry increasing its capacity to produce
Hellfire missiles.
Capacity to produce other missile types is expanding as well.
On 6 March 2018, BAE Systems received close to $13.7 million to help increase production
capacity of the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS). With its headquarters in
London, BAE Systems links the U.K. war industry to the United States, effectively
underpinning the 'special relationship' between the two countries.
On 19 March 2018, Raytheon received roughly $7.8 million to improve the production
capacity of AIM-9X Sidewinder missiles. Steps Raytheon might take to increase missile
production include adding more equipment, altering staffing levels, and upgrading its
facilities.
The war industry has been operating at full steam for the past seventeen years. Now, these
contracts tell us, the boardrooms of prominent war industry giants believe there is reason to
produce more Hellfire, APKWS, and Sidewinder missiles. Is it war with Iran? A bigger
offensive against President Assad's forces in Syria? Conflict in Korea?
The U.S. war industry is expecting more sustained, high-tempo hostilities in the near
future. You've been warned."
Iran doesn't want to escalate the situation and give Trump any leverage on Iran deal. Iran
wants to deprive any moral political or legal supports from EU to USA on this. Trump pulls
out. Rest remains same. This will give Iran moral political and legal authorities to pursue
its nuclear program with China and Russia.
This will have domino effects on other areas of these 3 countries -- how to conduct
business internationally.
So a choreographed coordinated attack works for Iran. Trump is happy. His base angry.
His enemies can't go after him for few hours or days . Mad madam prostitute Nick Halley
has to be soothed by Kudlow telling her she was not a demented rat.
At Sec. St. nomination hearing, Pompeo bragged that "we had killed a couple of hundred
Russian contractors." As a former civilian contractor in a war zone, I note that he just put
a target on the forehead of every American contractor working in a war zone. It is now open
season on them. Who will have blood on their hands?
These skirmishes (not skirmishes to those who live or die because of them), even ones that
are war crimes, as this was, seem to me to be in large part ways in which the major powers test
out their combat systems. I would think the Pentagon would like to test the Russian defense
systems, and the Russians can't be completely sorry they got the opportunity to see how those
new systems worked under operational conditions. The winners are the arms manufacturers. The
losers are everybody else.
Aug 6, 2015 -- Jim Moran (D-VA), told Tikkun Magazine that AIPAC. has pushed [the Iraq
war] from the beginning. I don't think they represent the mainstream of American Jewish
thinking at all, but because they are so well organized, and their members are
extraordinarily powerful -- most of them are quite wealthy -- they
The Iraq war -- What did AIPAC do and when did it do it? -- Mondoweiss
mondoweiss.net/2012/ /the-iraq-war-coverup-what-did-aipac-do-and-when-did-it-do
Feb 2, 2012 -- Let's skip forward to the Iraq war itself, 2003. In The Israel Lobby and US
Foreign Policy, Walt and Mearsheimer clearly show that AIPAC pushed the Iraq war, though
quietly. AIPAC usually supports what Israel wants, and Israel certainly wanted the United
States to invade Iraq. Nathan Guttman made this
Barney Frank says Israel and AIPAC lobbied Congress to support war
mondoweiss.net/2015/03/lobbied-congress-support/
Mar 12, 2015 -- Tempers flared even more, they said, when Frank claimed that Israel and
AIPAC had lobbied members of Congress a decade ago to support the war in Iraq. Remember that
Walt and Mearsheimer were tarred as anti-Semites for saying in 2006 that the Israel lobby
pushed the Iraq war.
Sep 30, 2007 -- He said that AIPAC was in favor of the Iraq war and "pushed this war from
the beginning." And he claimed that on the Iraq war, AIPAC didn't represent "the mainstream
of American Jewish thinking at all." Moran had other things to say -- much of it having to do
with AIPAC's lobbying on U.S. relations to Iran.
AIPAC to deploy hundreds of lobbyists to push for Syria action -- Haaretz
Sep 7, 2013 -- But they had generally wanted the debate to focus on U.S. national security
rather than how a decision to attack Syria might help Israel, a reflection of their
sensitivity to being seen as rooting for the United States to go to war. Obama AIPAC -- AP --
22.5.11 U.S. President Barack Obama arriving at the AIPAC
Dems slam Moran's tying AIPAC to Iraq war -- POLITICO
2012 -- But once inside the hall, the AIPAC attendees heard the sound of war drums.
"Iran's nuclear Nine years ago this month, there was a similar feeling of inevitability --
that despite President George W. Bush's frequent insistence that "war is my last choice," war
in Iraq was coming. Now Israel is moving toward
Feb 21, 2012 -- The bad news is that, as Kampeas also reports, "AIPAC is expected to make
the resolution an 'ask' in three weeks when up to 10,000 activists culminate its Greg
Thielmann of the Arms Control Association notes that, "Even after crushing Iraq in the first
Gulf War, the international coalition only imposed a ..
The technical ability of Porton Down to identify a chemical has never been in doubt, and
the only "finding of the United Kingdom " the OPCW has confirmed is the identity of the
chemical.
But what neither the British Government nor the OPCW have, to the present, acknowledged is
that blood samples from the Skripal's contained two nerve agents, A-234, aka Novichok, plus
3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, aka BZ or Buzz.
Novichok is a convulsant (which acts by preventing the breakdown of the neurotransmitter
acetylcholine at the neuromuscular junction, with the result that muscles go into full
contraction, hence the symptoms of convulsions, vomiting, etc.), whereas BZ is a paralytic
agent (which acts by binding to acetylcholine receptors at the neuromuscular junction without
activating them, thereby preventing muscle contraction, hence the symptoms of paralysis and
ultimately death by asphyxiation).
Thus, BZ will serve as an antidote to Novichok poisoning, wheras Novichok will serve as an
antidote to BZ poisoning. So the presence of Novichok in the Skipal blood samples is not
conclusive evidence that Novichok was the poison, rather than the antidote, as I have
discussed here: 3-Quinuclidinyl
Benzilate: The Antidote to Novichok , and here: Novichok:
Russia's Antidote to Seafood Poisoning .
"... And in the later articles posted here, he writes: "That puts Saudi Arabia (and its client jihadists), Saudi Arabia's close ally Israel, the UK and the USA all in the frame in having a powerful motive in inculcating anti-Russian sentiment prior to planned conflict with Russia in Syria. Any of them could have attacked the Skripals." ..."
I have never ruled out the possibility that Russia is responsible for the attack in
Salisbury, amongst other possibilities. But I do rule out the possibility that Assad is
dropping chemical weapons in Ghouta. In this extraordinary war, where Saudi-funded jihadist
head choppers have Israeli air support and US and UK military "advisers", every time the Syrian
army is about to take complete control of a major jihadist enclave, at the last moment when
victory is in their grasp, the Syrian Army allegedly attacks children with chemical weapons,
for no military reason at all. We have been fed this narrative again and again and again.
We then face a propaganda onslaught from neo-con politicians, think tanks and "charities"
urging a great rain of Western bombs and missiles, and are accused of callousness towards
suffering children if we demur. This despite the certain knowledge that Western military
interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have had consequences which remain to this day
utterly disastrous.
I fear that the massive orchestration of Russophobia over the last two years is intended to
prepare public opinion for a wider military conflict centred on the Middle East, but likely to
spread, and that we are approaching that endgame. The dislocation of the political and media
class from the general population is such, that the levers for people of goodwill to prevent
this are, as with Iraq, extremely few as politicians quake in the face of media jingoism. These
feel like extremely dangerous times.
"I have never ruled out the possibility that Russia is responsible for the attack in
Salisbury"
Time for timid half-truths is over. If by now you haven't identified the Skripal affair as
the joint UK/US production it is, Act I of the AngloZionist war on Syria, Russia and
humanity, your analysis isn't worth the pixels it's written on. There is zero doubt. Case
closed. Especially after this:
I wish you realize that appeals to skepticism and lines like "I'm not fan of Putin/Assad"
get you nowhere. You are facing a brutal, fact-twisting, intellect-insulting, lying,
propaganda machine. Any concession you make to their "arguments" comes with the smell of
blood. They'll mock your "moderate" views and will try to make you look weak and foolish as
Sky-news did. You can't be only half-brave, half-informed and half-right. And why engage
those shameless liars if not to destroy completely their blatant lies?
When Hungary prepared democratically laws to stop Soros meddling in Hungary Soros phoned
Brussels, spoke to Juncker and Tusk, the next day Timmermans tried to intimidate the
Hungarian government.
Just now there have been Hungarian elections, anti migration and anti Soros Orban was
elected.
European parliament member Sargenti now wants to take Hungary's voting right in the EU
away.
Sargenti is on the 231 member list that seem to be followers of Soros.
As Jimmy Carter once said 'those that want war do not expect that they themselves are going
to be hurt'.
That in the next world war anyone will be more than hurt, killed, the war mongers do not
understand, cannot believe.
Please, why don't you mention the other possibilities, instead of "the Russian one"?
Bit harsh to criticise Craig Murray on that score. I see your point, and it would be a
valid point to raise with an establishment journo who has been generally an effective part of
the anti-Russia propaganda campaign, but Murray has discussed the other options on many
occasions (and been the brunt of some pretty harsh establishment bullying in response).
In this case, it can safely be regarded as just efficient writing.
Even if Assad did use gas, which he obviously didn't, who the heck are the Americans, the
British, and the French to lecture anyone on morality, given that they unlike Assad did
practice chemical warfare, and killed uncounted millions around the globe with "conventional"
means in order to loot them, and to "punish" Assad as the bankster with an Oedipus complex
Macron put it?
Mr Murray lost his job because he stood up for the right thing in 2004 and he has been
abused ever since. His sanity has been called into question ever since he suggested the
British government weren't telling the truth. His brief period in an instiuttion after Blair
sacked him has been brought up more than once.
I suspect Craig's position of apparent open-mindedness has arisen from a lengthy Sky News
TV interview with the appalling Kay Burley. He was careful in an eighteen minute segment not
to give cause for Burley to label him as a Putin bot. He was most careful not to take the
focus off the weakness in the British government's position and I think that was correct.
As soon as you see the tissue of lies emanating from London the innocence of Moscow
follows naturally. Mr Murray was correct not to allow himself to be provoked by Kay Burley
and she was visibly annoyed by her failure.
Sky News tried to bury the confrontation but somebody recorded it and you can find the
interview at craigmurray.org
The ever excellent Campaign Against the Arms Trade is back in the English High Court
again today in its continuing attempts to ban arms sales to Saudi Arabia. It is against
UK law to sell arms to a country which is likely to use them in breach of international
humanitarian law , and that Saudi Arabia consistently and regularly uses British
weapons to bomb schools, hospitals and civilians is indisputable.
Why didn't the High Court ban arm sales to UK army, which is using them in breach of
international humanitarian law, consistently & regularly since its colonial era, in
Vietnam & Korea wars, Blair's Iraq WMD illegal war, Cameron's illegal Libya bombing, and
now May's illegal attack to Syria.
Saudi arabia Yemen's war pale in comparison to UK long history of atrocities. What a
British hypocrite law enacted in a kangaroo judicial system? A country of government infested
with shameless warmonger liars & paedophiles, yet popularly elected by its people. What a
great Anglosaxon-West civilization & glorious demoncrapcy system to be spread around the
world for easy subversion & regime change.
Proven guilty Iraq war criminal Tony Blair is walking free, repeating his same lies again
to push for illegal Syria attack. Yet not a single war protest from UK people. Touch a LBGT
issue or Trumps visit, British will gone hysteria protest in London, oh what a great nation.
World Capital of paedophiles, war criminals & pathological liars.
How can God save the Queen that connive criminals, with stolen wealth soaking with
innocents blood.
I appreciated the frame you provided.
That's a very serious charge against Great Britain -- sadly, I found it a somewhat
compelling and disconcerting.
I suspect that in all of this there are fears that it's a response to enemies without as
opposed to enemies from within. I have no idea where this notion comes from -- that states
can act as authority for UN missions without the consent of the UN. Great Britain's press
here sounds very much like the legal gymnastic of the US to invade Iraq and has much weight
-- I agree.
The chaos in Libya, Syria, the Ukraine is the direct result of US and EU manipulation. I
just don't know how to support "wrongness" on so many levels and consider myself a person of
integrity. The humanitarian crisis in all of the regions is exacerbated by our own violations
of law and foreign policy best practices.
Not a bad article, but superficial. Does not address the why question and the huge
ideological difference between Russia and the 'West' which leads to war.
Agree. Resisting lying provocation to war should be done with what ZUSA terms "moral
clarity." Said another way, No Quarter, No Mercy. If the need is felt to characterize Assad, the only things that needs be said are that he
is the legitimate leader of a sovereign nation, and that attempts to topple him, by ZUSA
& Anglos, are in direct violation of United Nations charter.
I have never ruled out the possibility that Russia is responsible for the attack in
Salisbury, amongst other possibilities.
And I have never ruled out the word which can not be spoken, that ISRAEL was behind both
attacks, to justify getting their US/UK/French lackeys to do in Syria what they can not
without taking losses, attacking Syrian cities with cruise missiles.
Poisoned toothpaste and exploding phones: New book chronicles Israel's '2,700'
assassination operations
Poisoned toothpaste that takes a month to end its target's life. Armed drones. Exploding
mobile phones. Spare tyres with remote-control bombs. Assassinating enemy scientists and
discovering the secret lovers of Muslim clerics.
A new book chronicles these techniques and asserts that Israel has carried out at
least 2,700 assassination operations in its 70 years of existence. While many failed,
they add up to far more than any other western country, the book says.
The main beneficiary of the recent cruise missile attacks against Syria is Israel, so
let's be honest and see what happens.
From an April 2003 Haaretz article:
The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them
Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them,
journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible.
This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25
people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if
you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have
happened.
So, aside from selling weapons to Syria and Iran – and thus, giving up control over
those weapons – what exactly should Putin have done to continue receiving your
approval? Start WW3?
Another question: if this is just a staged play of good cop, bad cop – why does the
puppet master behind the scenes not advance the plot? Why the need for silly diversions into
the bucolic English countryside, and for embarrassing cameos by French boy princes?
Not sure where you are from, but some countries – particularly those that have
experienced it at home – consider war a serious business, not quite the same as a bar
brawl in Dodge City.
I keep hearing that the Qatar – Europe pipeline is the source of the Syria War, what I
cant understand if their so desperate for this why does it need to go through Syria, theres`s
other ways like across SA and up the red sea?
In Murray's first post on the Skripal story, he lists other possible suspects as Orbis
Intelligence (who produced the Steele dossier) and the state of Israel:
And in the later articles posted here, he writes: "That puts Saudi Arabia (and its client
jihadists), Saudi Arabia's close ally Israel, the UK and the USA all in the frame in having a
powerful motive in inculcating anti-Russian sentiment prior to planned conflict with Russia
in Syria. Any of them could have attacked the Skripals."
The West would simply like him to meet his obligations and stop gassing people as there
is an international agreement against killing people that way. Why can't he just stick
to the normal use of high explosives to blast them to pieces?
Why can't he just stick to the normal use of high explosives to blast them to
pieces?
Because that process is still under Israeli patent protection??
Didn't he and various generals plainly state that retaliation would be swift and
immediately delivered to any such platform?
Yes, if Russian military assets in Syria are targeted or hit. The US strike was the
warfare equivalent of a plate smashing fit thrown by a hysterical tranny. Just a loud
demonstration of impotence and fishing for attention. It's better handled unanswered. Now, if
the tranny decides to go in a full abuser mode, Putin may seriously mess up her makeup.
US officials and the presstitutes tell us that the illegal US missile attack on Syria
destroyed chemical weapons sites where chlorine and sarin are stored/manufactured. If this were
true, would not a lethal cloud have been released that would have taken the lives of far more
people than claimed in the alleged Syrian chemical attack on Douma? Would not the US missile
attack be identical to a chemical weapons attack and thus place the US and its vassals in the
same category as Washington is attempting to place Assad and Putin?
Russia can do nothing alone. NATO is way too strong.
Notable quotes:
"... my honor is called solidarity ..."
"... my honor is loyalty ..."
"... by not taking any action the Russians also failed to deter any future attacks. But what could the Russians have done? ..."
"... Sic transit gloria mundi ..."
"... Trump demonstrated that the U.S. can still bomb non nuclear countries without regard for the Constitution, international law or common decency. The Deplorables demonstrated that elections will not change anything. Only the death of the U.S. dollar will end Anglo/Zio Imperial aggression. ..."
"... Russia was outgunned, so they did not respond. It was probably a wise decision. They did damage control admirably, and now have an opportunity to improve the Syrian arsenal with obvious justification. ..."
"... Slowly but surely, Russia is tightening the noose in Syria. Air defenses are improving. ..."
"... My precious, too many players want to start a real war between the Mercans and Russians. Aside from the casual suspects (KSA and Israel), Chinese also objectively benefit from the confrontation, which explains their aloofness. Should this come to a nuclear war, Chinese will be the one and only winner. For this old smart monkey is still sitting on the tree, and nothing has changed since Chairman Mao times. ..."
"... For Iran, this war will certainly enhance the Iran-Russia axis and thus may postpone the US aggression. Turkey loves it too because it can play both sides. ..."
"... Ironically, only the USA and Russia will be the biggest losers regardless of the outcome. ..."
"... In UNSC, China has surprisingly took abstained neutral stand, allowing it to play the coordinator role & denying US UK Fr to get any legit for attack. This avoid relegating UNSC into two sides shouting. Nikki Harley was thus preempted her wish of striking with or without UNSC mandate since all ended agreed to let UN conduct independent inspection. Overall, this continue to lock US UK Fr inside UNSC framework. ..."
"... The general idea seems to be containment of Russia, hemming them in within their own borders and cutting them off from being able to extend their influence outward. ..."
"... As part of this any allies of theirs such as Syria come under attack; if the west can't own them then they're to be reduced to chaos and rendered into costly burdens for the Russians. ..."
"... It's all a very cynical and calculated plan that fits into the overall picture of encircling the Russians to stymie their development and influence. NATO expansion up to their borders, the Ukraine coup, encirclement, picking off vulnerable allies, economic warfare and political subversion without end, the pattern is clear. At some point an actual clash might come about, not necessarily now with Syria as the trigger but somewhere all along the entire line of points of friction. Unfortunately it seems inevitable that something bad is going to happen somewhere down the line as the irresistible force meets the immovable object. ..."
"... As a fervent anti-war activist since the sixties, I have been appalled at all the regime change the US has and continues to do around the world including both military covert operations and economic warfare. Well Putin had me at his 2007 Munich speech. ..."
About a month ago Nikki Haley announces to the
UNSC that the USA is ready to violate the rules of this very self-same UNSC should a chemical
attack happen in Syria Then the Russians announced that they have evidence that a chemical
false flag is being prepared in Syria Then a chemical attack (supposedly) takes place (in a
location surrounded and, basically, controlled by government forces!) The OPWC sends
investigators (in spite of western powers loudly proclaiming that no investigation was needed)
The AngloZionists then bomb Syria Next, the UNSC refuses to condemn the violation of its own
rules and decisions Finally, the US Americans speak of a 'perfect strike'
Now tell me -- do you get a sense that this is over?
If you tell me that 32/103 is hardly perfect, I will reply that you are missing the point.
In fact, if anything, 32/103 is further incentive to bomb again!
Let's look at the differently for a second and ask this: what has the AngloZionist attack
actually demonstrated?
The western general public is so terminally zombified that false flag
attacks can now be announced 4 weeks in advance The Europeans now live by the motto " my
honor is called solidarity " (a variation of the SS motto " my honor is loyalty
") Led by the USA, western countries have no objections to wars started in violation of their
own national laws The UN Security Council has no objections to wars started in violation of the
UN Charter and International Law The PRC leaders, in their infinite wisdom, act as if they have
nothing personal at stake and act like bystanders The Israelis, via the UN Neocons, are now in
total control of the Empire and use it to "clean house" next door
Oh, I hear the objections. They go something like this:
But the attack was a dismal
failure! So what? the Empire did not pay any price for executing it. But the US Americans did
blink! The attacked from Jordanian airspace and from the Red Sea! They avoided the Russians
completely! They are afraid of them! So what? They still bombed a Russian ally with total
impunity. But, surely you are not suggesting that the Russians should have started a war
against the USA over a strike which did not even kill a single person?
No, of course not, but by not taking any action the Russians also failed to deter any
future attacks. But what could the Russians have done?
Now *that* is the right question!
Let's look at it a little closer. Roughly speaking, the Russians have a choice of 3 types of
retaliatory measures: political, economic and military. However, each one of them has a
specific set of prerequisites which are currently problematic to say the least:
Measures
Political
Economic
Military
Prerequisites
Assumes a minimal amount of decency, integrity and respect for the rule of law by the
rest of the planet.
Assumes that other countries, especially China, would be willing and able to support
such measures.
Assumes that Russia has the military capability to defeat the AngloZionist
"coalition".
Current reality
Russia can moan, bitch, complain, protest, appeal to higher values, logic or facts --
nobody gives a damn.
The Chinese and the rest of them are not willing to do anything at this time to
support Russia.
Russia can militarily defeat the AngloZionists, but only by risking the future of our
planet.
This really can be summarized a simple sentence: the AngloZionist Hegemony is a threat for
the entire planet, but nobody besides Russia and Iran is willing to take it on. Ain't that an
irony!
The so-called "Christian West" has become a willing host for its Zionist parasite and the
only ones with the courage and moral integrity to take it on are Orthodox Christians and
Muslims! Sic transit gloria mundi indeed
But what is even more important is this: while it is true that the US Neocons did not
succeed in delivering the kind of massive attack they would have wanted to, and while it is
true that the US attack was just about as lame as can be, you need to completely forget about
these facts. Facts simply don't matter. And neither does logic. All that matters are
perceptions!
And the perception is that "we" (the AngloZionist rulers and their serfs) "kicked" Assad's
"ass" and that "we" will "do it again" if "we" feel like it. That is all that matters in the
Empire of
Illusions which the AngloZionist Hegemony has become.
As soon as you understand that, you also will have to agree that Trump was right: it was a
"perfect strike" (again, not in reality, but in the world of illusions created around it).
So now we come full circle.
The AngloZionist Hegemony demands that the entire planet bows down and worships
it . Except for Russia and Iran, everybody meekly goes down on their knees or, at most,
meekly looks away. In their own delusional reality, the 'Mericans feel empowered to smack down
Russia or Iran at anytime. There is nothing Iran can do to stop them, and while Russia can, she
can only do that at the risk of the future of our entire planet.
Now you tell me -- do you really think this is over?
That's clearly a civilian assertion. By no way, the US can defeat Iran, unless they are
ready to send 500 000 grunts there. And they are not. No US president will survive a 10 000
body bag return.
They can use air power for sure, but that will never be enough to force Iran to bow.And
I'm quite sure the Russian will provide them everything they have to help Iran.And China
probably too.
Without even mentioning destruction of Barbaric Saudi and closin Ormuz strait. It's
clearly not over but the US are not as powerful as you think.
Well, firstly, I don't think the future of our planet is at risk, if you mean by that
extinction of life on Earth. Current arsenals can't do that, even in the worst case scenario.
Nor even can they extinct human race either. Lots of deaths? Yes, sure. Extinction? Nope.
Secondly, there is no rule of law because there is no punishment. Once punishment is
delivered, things will change quickly. I agree with you that political or economical
punishment will not work. But military punishment will do. Sink some US carriers or destroy
some Israel bases, and you will see how they become well-behaved.
Trump demonstrated that the U.S. can still bomb non nuclear countries without regard for
the Constitution, international law or common decency. The Deplorables demonstrated that
elections will not change anything. Only the death of the U.S. dollar will end Anglo/Zio
Imperial aggression.
It is not only Russia and Iran that does not bow down. North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela,
Phillipines, China etc. Etc. These countries have done as much as the Russians have. Its not
like Russia sank a carrier or anything and it's not like Russia is defender of the world on a
crusade to defend the planet. They are only acting because they are in the crosshairs.
If America was targeting Cuba, Russia would not say or do anything against America.
While both vessels [USS Winston Churchill, USS Donald Cook] carry as many as 90 Tomahawk
missiles -- the main weapon used in the Friday evening strike on Syria -- neither ship in
the end fired a shot. Instead, according to a person familiar with White House war
planning, they were part of a plan to distract Russia and its Syrian ally from an assault
Assad's government could do little to defend itself against.
It worked. Pentagon officials on Saturday said they faced little resistance to their
targeted attack on what they said were three Syrian chemical weapons facilities. Most of
the Syrian countermeasures, including defensive ballistic missiles, were fired after U.S.
and allied weapons hit their targets, Lieutenant General Kenneth McKenzie said
Saturday.
"No Syrian weapon had any effect on anything we did," McKenzie said. He described the
joint U.S., French and U.K. strike as "precise, overwhelming and effective."
Where can I get correct assessments? For, umm . research yeah.
Russia was outgunned, so they did not respond. It was probably a wise decision. They did
damage control admirably, and now have an opportunity to improve the Syrian arsenal with
obvious justification.
Slowly but surely, Russia is tightening the noose in Syria. Air defenses are
improving. The next step is likely to be an arsenal of anti-ship missile's. If necessary
ICBMs might follow some sort of mutual defense treaty.
At some point, Syria itself will be able to deliver the bloody nose to the USA that is so
necessary for justice and world peace. That point will be reached when Syrian abilities to
inflict pain outweigh the costs of escalation
My precious, too many players want to start a real war between the Mercans and Russians.
Aside from the casual suspects (KSA and Israel), Chinese also objectively benefit from the
confrontation, which explains their aloofness. Should this come to a nuclear war, Chinese
will be the one and only winner. For this old smart monkey is still sitting on the tree, and
nothing has changed since Chairman Mao times.
For Iran, this war will certainly enhance the Iran-Russia axis and thus may postpone
the US aggression. Turkey loves it too because it can play both sides.
Ironically, only the USA and Russia will be the biggest losers regardless of the
outcome. It seems they both realize that and are treading carefully. But can they manage
to get out of the clinch? And for how long they can be avoiding the all-out conflict? So no,
-- it's definitely ain't over. We hates it, but the best is yet to come.
You forget ballsy little Bolivia defends Russia in UN with both votes and condemnation of
barking Nikki. It looks like they are offering all they have -- moral condemnation of Empire
and her vassals.
The reason I give it a lot of weight is that the night before the bombing, either Vanessa
Beasley or Eva Bartlett called in to Israeli News Live and gave 12 points explaining what
Syria was expecting to happen and it seems it pretty well went down as they had said. I'm
sorry I can't find the broadcast link. Apparently the Russians said if the strike went into a
second day they would strike back even if Russians were not hit. Looks like the "strike" was
pretty well pre-determined by both sides.
Gave each side a look at the others capabilities and allowed US a chance to waste missiles
and Northrup sell new ones. Same old, same old.
Every time my country says or does something insane (which is often) this Lee Greenwood
song goes thru my mind with modified lyrics. "Ashamed to be an American, where I'm duped to
think I'm free".
How can it be over ? It is a war in progress. One side of the warring party is creating
they own reality, and present it on the world stage with absolute conviction, and
determination. This fake reality is part of the war game , it should not be considered as
lies or staged events. It is war ! Fake reality is part of the repertoire , just like the
missiles. It is war , no rules just brutal conflict.
The other side not understanding any of it. They are running around , like chickens in the
rain. UNSC talk , talk and talk some more. Nobody give a them. They are counting how many
missiles they intercepted , they are analyzing , they are theorizing . Do something you are
about to be wiped off !
Act 2 . China sells tickets. Total now of two hundred missiles used; nothing much
destroyed. Top brass satisfied. Neocons, mollified. Audience, US, asleep in our seats as
usual.
Act 3 . The big love scene: Trump and Putin do Romeo & Juliet, audience
confused. Back to sleep. China offers no refunds.
The Chinese and the rest of them are not willing to do anything
at this time to support Russia. Russia can militarily defeat the AngloZionists, but
only by risking the future of our planet.
Saker correctly pointed out Russia is showing unnecessary weakness in only moaning &
bitching with empty threats that nobody bother, relegating itself to a weakling gas
station.
But to falsely accused China & the rest not willing to do anything at this time to
support Russia is too far fetch, a foolish remark like a whining self pitied child blaming
everyone for his own spilled milk.
Does Saker expect its few allies China, NK, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, SAA to launch attack on
US Nato when RuA refused/not permit?
Economically, China is known to have financially back the entire costly war, signed
numerous huge deals worth hundreds of Bil with Russia to booster its sanctioned economy,
deliver re-construction materials, medicine & food for tens of millions soldiers &
Syrians. A astromical cost.
Military, it has also supply lot of weapons & ammunition under so called old contract
with SAA, sent in its most senior advisors & Special forces to help fighting & get
train, esp to mop up Uyghur ISIS terrorists(CIA assets).
It even cut short a mammoth 40 vessels Liaoning a/c strike group drill in SCS to declare a
unprecedented proximate live firing drill in Taiwan Straits, literally forcing existing USN
three strike groups to tied down in SCS. This sent a very clear signal that if US start a hot
war in Syria with Russia, China might open another war front to take back Taiwan which USM
will be overstretched to defend.
Also China despatched its Defense Minister in a high profile visit to Russia, declaring
its military solidarity with Russia against US tyranny (a rare glaring mentioned of US
name directly) . This sent a very strong signal to USM, China may intervene directly or
asymmetrically.
China also took an unusual hard stand in a looming trade war, threatened to fight at all
cost without slight compromise, hence refusing Trumps any leeway to back down while he up
ante to save face.
China foreign ministry further declare the trade war will not limit in trade but shall
utilize all asymmetric tools, including non cooporation in strategic issues, sanction of US
hugely profiting investments in China. Also Trumps redneck farming vote bank was purposely
targeted to pressure him in coming Nov election. With China $4T war chess & US people
resistance, US can ill afford to fight China if Syria war breakout. Every major war will see
USD artificially hike >30% historically for expenditure mileage.
In UNSC, China has surprisingly took abstained neutral stand, allowing it to play the
coordinator role & denying US UK Fr to get any legit for attack. This avoid relegating
UNSC into two sides shouting. Nikki Harley was thus preempted her wish of striking with or
without UNSC mandate since all ended agreed to let UN conduct independent inspection.
Overall, this continue to lock US UK Fr inside UNSC framework.
China Prez Xi also in Baao seminar announced expedite opening of China huge financial
market. This stirred the world into frenzy to prepare for huge investment, skillfully denied
US ability to pull EU, Jp & others to joint US trade war. All US financier & trade
bodies will loathe any trade or hot war that will derail their golden opportunity.
What else happen behind door we won't know. But whatever we can see now, China has done
every heavy lifting it could, very comprehensive & well plan, short of attacking USM in
Syria which it can't with limited projection force.
Yet Saker is accusing China & others are doing NOTHING to help Russia, when Putin is
refusing to even take down a Israel airfield as a warning to USM. Killing a chicken to
frighten the monkey.
Is Saker demonstrating a typical Russian nature, unappreciative & endless blaming,
always ready to throw ally under bus? This might explain why Russia has few or no true
trusted ally, even ex-Soviet countries. Assad Syria & Iran interest are seen routinely
been sacrificed.
Will China one day decided Russia is not a trusted ally afterall to reconsider US G2
invitation?
I think the point of the article was precisely that the US is not as strong as it thinks.
Hence, the attack was all for "show" so the US can perpetuate the delusion it can handle
Russia/Iran. The danger is that this delusion may cause a major misstep, especially if (when)
the US starts believing it's own bullshit and really pokes the bear.
The general idea seems to be containment of Russia, hemming them in within their own
borders and cutting them off from being able to extend their influence outward.
As part of this any allies of theirs such as Syria come under attack; if the west
can't own them then they're to be reduced to chaos and rendered into costly burdens for the
Russians.
It's all a very cynical and calculated plan that fits into the overall picture of
encircling the Russians to stymie their development and influence. NATO expansion up to their
borders, the Ukraine coup, encirclement, picking off vulnerable allies, economic warfare and
political subversion without end, the pattern is clear. At some point an actual clash might
come about, not necessarily now with Syria as the trigger but somewhere all along the entire
line of points of friction. Unfortunately it seems inevitable that something bad is going to
happen somewhere down the line as the irresistible force meets the immovable object.
The problem here is that moving to a multi-polar world will require many countries to
contribute what and where they can as we fight a very entrenched international Cabal. But,
the largest responsibility lies with the people living within the Evil Empire and its vassal
states. Those whose counties are committing these atrocities need to step up and call foul on
their own governments. This is difficult to do since the Project Mockingbird press
continues to spew unbelievable lies on a non-stop basis. But those lies are getting more and
more difficult to believe. Unless your brain is totally disconnected, you have to realize
that what they are saying is inconsistent and illogical.
Besides calling and berating my representatives, signing petitions, etc. I have taken to
wearing a teeshirt with a picture of Putin and the Russian bear (Putin in a suit, not riding
the bear bare chested).
I wear it to all social events for the purpose of starting a discussion. Most Americans
are not engaged. They have little trust in their government and most feel like there is
nothing they can do about it. I live in the mountain west where people are more libertarian
and more willing to fight. I try to provide them with ammunition and point them to places to
go to get "real" news. I tell them not to "believe" any news, but get a variety of points of
view and use their own minds to determine what is true.
A few years ago, I was very disturbed when I kept hearing Dr. Stephen Cohen say that Putin
was the greatest statesman of our time. As I had studied Soviet history in school, I had sort
of kept abreast of what was happening in Russia. As an economist, I was aware of how the
West, especially the USA, came to help Russia with Democracy and "free markets". It was
obvious to me that we were just assisting in selling Russia by the pound to the moneyed
class. I had followed Dr. Cohen over the years as well. But sceptical of his assessment of
Putin, I have gone back and watched and read almost everything Putin has said and watched
what Russia has done and I believe Dr. Cohen is correct.
As a fervent anti-war activist since the sixties, I have been appalled at all the
regime change the US has and continues to do around the world including both military covert
operations and economic warfare. Well Putin had me at his 2007 Munich speech. The one
the West called a rant.
Finally someone was calling out this criminal behavior on an international stage! Putin
has continued with these messages and as far as I can see, Russia is operating accordingly.
No one country, not Russia, not China, no one can destroy this international Cabal on its
own. It will take a concerted effort of all peace seeking people from around the world to
force their governments on a different path. Starting in my case with the people of the
USA.
"... People such as Stephen Cohen and myself, who were actively involved throughout the entirety of the Cold War, are astonished at the reckless and irresponsible behavior of the US government and its European vassals toward Russia. ..."
"... In this brief video, Stephen Cohen describes to Tucker Carlson the extreme danger of the present situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvK1Eu01Lz0 Published on Apr 13, 2018 ..."
A normal person would answer "yes" to the three questions. So what does this tell us about
Trump's government as these insane actions are the principle practice of Trump's
government?
Does anyone doubt that Nikki Haley is insane?
Does anyone doubt that John Bolton is insane?
Does anyone doubt that Mike Pompeo is insane?
Does this mean that Trump is insane for appointing to the top positions insane people who
foment war with a nuclear power?
Does this mean that Congress is insane for approving these appointments?
These are honest questions. Assuming we avoid the Trump-promised Syrian showdown, how long
before the insane Trump regime orchestrates another crisis?
The entire world should understand that because of the existence of the insane Trump regime,
the continued existence of life on earth is very much in question.
People such as Stephen Cohen and myself, who were actively involved throughout the entirety
of the Cold War, are astonished at the reckless and irresponsible behavior of the US government
and its European vassals toward Russia. Nothing as irresponsible as what we have witnessed
since the Clinton regime and which has worsened dramatically under the Obama and Trump regimes
would have been imaginable during the Cold War. In this brief video, Stephen Cohen describes to
Tucker Carlson the extreme danger of the present situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvK1Eu01Lz0
Published on Apr 13, 2018
The failure of political leadership throughout the Western world is total. Such total
failure is likely to prove deadly to life on earth.
"... If the chemical attack on Douma really is fictitious – as the Russians insist it is – then for the first time their control of the crime scene puts the Russians in a strong position to prove it. ..."
"... The point was made forcefully by Russia's UN ambassador Vassily Nebenzia at the UN Security Council session today, and it also received indirect backing from the UN Secretariat, who admitted that they could not confirm that a chemical weapons attack had happened, and who called upon all sides to show restraint until a proper investigation of the incident had taken place. ..."
"... By now it should surprise no-one that the fact that the Russians are in control of the crime scene and may on this occasion be able to prove conclusively that no chemical weapons attack happened in Douma, instead of deterring a US attack, is actually making it more likely. ..."
"... This is because the credibility of the various 'witnesses' to the Douma attack – who are of course the same witnesses who were previously 'witnesses' to the 2013 East Ghouta and the 2017 Khan Sheikhoun attacks – is now on the line, as is the credibility of those Western governments – first and foremost the US government – who believed or who pretended to believe them. ..."
"... We call upon Western politicians to scale down their hawkish rhetoric, to meaningfully consider possible repercussions and to cease the reckless spill over of threats to global security. What military misadventures of the West brought about is well known to us if we consider the examples of Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. ..."
"... And nobody invested you with the power to act as policemen of the world and as investigators, procurators, judges and executioners all at the same time. ..."
"... We call for your return to the legal fold to comply with the U N Charter and to jointly tackle problems that arise, rather than attempting at each step to advance your egotistical geopolitical game. All of the energy needs to be focused on support for the political process in Syria, to which it is necessary to constructively pull the efforts of all influential players. Russia always stands ready to engage in such cooperation ..."
"... RobinG posted Haley's UN diatribe from yesterday. She hammered away at the "pictures of dead babies" theme. What an embarrassment to the American people. ..."
For the sake of world peace – I am beginning to think that impeaching Trump is a good idea. He is doing harm to the stability
of the world. He truly is a bull in a china shop. Upsetting America's internal status quo is a good thing – but upsetting the
worlds equilibrium is another. The only country in the world that Trump has not pissed off – is Israel – how totally and completely
disgusting.
As a result of the total surrender of the Jihadis previously in control of Douma on Sunday, it is the Russian military who
this time are in control of the alleged crime scene.
This has put the Russians in a position where for the first time they are able both to invite the OPCW inspectors to attend
the crime scene and to provide them with protection if they are there, whilst at the same time monitoring and supervising their
work.
If the chemical attack on Douma really is fictitious – as the Russians insist it is – then for the first time their control
of the crime scene puts the Russians in a strong position to prove it.
The point was made forcefully by Russia's UN ambassador Vassily Nebenzia at the UN Security Council session today, and
it also received indirect backing from the UN Secretariat, who admitted that they could not confirm that a chemical weapons attack
had happened, and who called upon all sides to show restraint until a proper investigation of the incident had taken place.
Nebenzia followed this up by inviting OPCW inspectors to the scene as early as tomorrow Tuesday.
By now it should surprise no-one that the fact that the Russians are in control of the crime scene and may on this occasion
be able to prove conclusively that no chemical weapons attack happened in Douma, instead of deterring a US attack, is actually
making it more likely.
This is because the credibility of the various 'witnesses' to the Douma attack – who are of course the same witnesses who
were previously 'witnesses' to the 2013 East Ghouta and the 2017 Khan Sheikhoun attacks – is now on the line, as is the credibility
of those Western governments – first and foremost the US government – who believed or who pretended to believe them.
I would add that not only is the credibility of the US government and of other Western governments on the line. So is the credibility
of Western journalists who also believed or pretended to believe the 'witnesses'.
Ron Unz posted a video of the Russian envoy's speech at UN today (Apr 11 18).
Rough notes from near the end to the conclusion of his remarks:
"And you are misguided if you think tha thou have friends So called friends of yours are only those who cannot say no to you.
And this is the sole criterion for friendship in your understanding . Russia has friends and unlike yourselves we do not have
adversaries.
We do not view the world through that prism. And yes, international terrorism, that is our enemy. However, we continue to propose
cooperation. This need to be respectful and mutual cooperation, it needs to go towards resolving real and not imagined problems.
And you should be just as interested as we are in such a cooperation.
///
26 min: As permanent members of the Security Council, we bear the main responsibility for the maintenance of international
peace and security. Through the relevant channels, we already conveyed to the US that armed force under mendacious pretexts against
Syria, where, at the request of the legitimate government of the country, Russian troops have been deployed, could lead to grave
repercussions.
We call upon Western politicians to scale down their hawkish rhetoric, to meaningfully consider possible repercussions
and to cease the reckless spill over of threats to global security. What military misadventures of the West brought about is well
known to us if we consider the examples of Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya.
And nobody invested you with the power to act as policemen of the world and as investigators, procurators, judges and executioners
all at the same time.
We call for your return to the legal fold to comply with the U N Charter and to jointly tackle problems that arise, rather
than attempting at each step to advance your egotistical geopolitical game. All of the energy needs to be focused on support for
the political process in Syria, to which it is necessary to constructively pull the efforts of all influential players. Russia
always stands ready to engage in such cooperation .
To conclude, Mr. President, I wish to take this opportunity to request an open briefing of the Security Council on the outcomes
of the UN assessment mission in Raqqa and the situation in the Rahman camp. We see the way of members of the Commission attempting
to create a smoke screen around this issue, which is a result of their actions in Syria, including the operations to rain Raqqa
to the ground through bombings. No chemical provocations will divert attention from this, from what you've done. Thank you.
–
Nikki Haley was in the room and listening.
RobinG posted Haley's UN diatribe from yesterday. She hammered away at the "pictures of dead babies" theme. What an embarrassment
to the American people.
This is US specific bank of chickenhawks, who feed from MIC cramps. this breed is really entrenched in State Department too (Madeleine
Albright, Nuland, Powell, Haley, etc)
Notable quotes:
"... War and peace! About 75% of the on-air personalities on Fox Jews are women. Do any of them have a peaceful brain cell – it appears not. They are all 100% on message – bomb Syria! ..."
"... It is feminism gone mad – the traditional female role of hope for peace has been extinguished in America. How sad – how unnatural – how dangerous – how bloody – dare we call them names? ..."
War and peace! About 75% of the on-air personalities on Fox Jews are women. Do any of them have a peaceful brain cell – it
appears not. They are all 100% on message – bomb Syria!
It is feminism gone mad – the traditional female role of hope
for peace has been extinguished in America. How sad – how unnatural – how dangerous – how bloody – dare we call them names?
Theresa May as more evil than Bill Clinton? That will sound odd to some, but I think it is
true. Hillary is the pure evil half of the Clinton marriage. Bill is simply charming and
filled with a desire to amass enough power to have a group adore him as he finds new panties
to explore.
May is English, and she has the very long line of Brit Empire secret service evil at her
disposal. And her move is a bold one. What it means is that she is signaling that at least if
she is PM, the UK could replace the US as Fearless Leader of the actual New World Order...
"... AIPAC's vulgarity is legendary. Despite the Jewish power in the US and the UK, the Israel-firsters are a miserable lot incapable of maintaining the standards of decency. ..."
Israel has no qualms about being a dishonest and lying inciter of a mass murder while
pretending sanctimoniously on some "superior morality" and "eternal victimhood."
AIPAC's vulgarity is legendary.
Despite the Jewish power in the US and the UK, the Israel-firsters are a miserable lot
incapable of maintaining the standards of decency.
"... It must be pointed out that obviously, Saudi and Israeli goals are mutually incompatible. Saudi Arabia cannot be the premier power in the Middle East while Israel retains much influence. Similarly, Israel cannot be hegemon while the Arabs, in the form of Saudi Arabia, remain powerful. ..."
"... So you paint a scenario where Jews and Arabs have joined forces to suppress the Persians. What happens AFTER the Persians are diminished? Do Israel and Saudi Arabia turn on each other? Do they divvy up the Middle East? Do they jointly turn against the Turks? Does one ally with the Turks to gang up on the third? ..."
Saudi's motive was to prevent its spreading Shia influence in the region because it was a
threat to the Sunni throne i.e.,their place as the leading Kings and rulers of the ME
Israel's motive was of course to destroy all states like Syria and Iran who might resist
their aim of being the supreme hegemon of the ME.
I see the pattern, broadly speaking. Let's suppose you're correct.
It must be pointed out that obviously, Saudi and Israeli goals are mutually
incompatible. Saudi Arabia cannot be the premier power in the Middle East while Israel retains
much influence. Similarly, Israel cannot be hegemon while the Arabs, in the form of Saudi
Arabia, remain powerful.
Bit of layman's background.
The modern region we know as the "Middle East" has 4 ethnic-cultural poles. The Israelites
and Persians have been there since antiquity, the Arabs became a force with the coming of
Islam, and finally Asian interlopers, the Turks, smashed in while fleeing from their Inner
Mongolian homelands.
So you paint a scenario where Jews and Arabs have joined forces to suppress the
Persians. What happens AFTER the Persians are diminished? Do Israel and Saudi Arabia turn on
each other? Do they divvy up the Middle East? Do they jointly turn against the Turks? Does one
ally with the Turks to gang up on the third?
What happens AFTER the Persians are diminished? Do Israel and Saudi Arabia turn on each
other? Do they divvy up the Middle East?
Yes they will turn on each other -- the enemy of my enemy is my friend -- for awhile, not
forever
Israel will never quit trying to rule the ME and dip its beak into other countries wealth
and resources.
Saudi will never let them have that much control over Arab countries as that would be as
threatening to their throne as Iranian influence.
Both think they will be able to control and out smart each once their current mutual goal
is achieved.
There's a subconscious racism in the way [neo]liberal westerners treat Russia. Saudis execute
gays and transsexuals but the West focuses on Russian "homophobia," which amounts to little
more than discouraging gay pride marches and sexual orientation education to children. China
has open censorship of the media and doesn't even have elections, yet the West imposes
sanctions on semi-democratic Russia and trades freely with China. Islamists are taking over
in Turkey, yet liberal westerners attack the Russian Orthodox Church for spreading moderately
conservative values.
Basically Russia is bad because it's a white country that's relatively conservative and
does things a bit differently than other white countries. Non-white countries can do whatever
they like because they aren't white as so can't be expected to live up to western liberal
values.
[Russia on Tuesday vetoed a US-drafted United Nations Security Council resolution that
would have set up an investigation into chemical weapons use in Syria following an alleged
toxic gas attack in rebel-held Douma.
It was the 12th time that Russia has used its veto power at the council to block action
targeting its Syrian ally.
Twelve of the 15 council members backed the measure, including France, Britain, African
countries, Kazakhstan and Kuwait. Bolivia voted against the draft resolution, while China
abstained.]
Why petty China always cave in with US. In the latest resolution China AGAIN abstained.
China is a petty colony and people must boycott its garbage, that is called goods. Chinese
criminal 'leaders' still have their slave mentality. They are nothing but petty slaves in the
service of the mass murderers.
They also voted for illegal sanctions against Iran, N. Korea and any other country that
American criminals and mass murderers wanted to kill their children. Chinese petty 'leaders'
are as criminals as US mass murderers. Down with petty colonies and cowards chinese
'leaders'.
Even Bolivia, a small country has more courage than the petty chinses. Long live
Bolivia
California Democrat Zoe Lofgren and Michigan Republican Justin Amash are
circulating
a bipartisan letter to President Trump, insisting that he seek Congressional authorization
before striking the government of Syria.
Defend our Constitution and oppose endless war. Urge your Representative to sign the Lofgren-Amash letter against unconstitutional
war.
Phone calls are best: US Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121, ask for your Rep. by
name.
You can leave a message after hours. (Name, zipcode, request.)
The White House: (202) 456-1111
' Don't know how true it is, but this is what Veterans Today says about the captured
spooks and weapons lab '
Thanks for the links
Gordon Duff [Vietnam Marine grunt veteran] and Jim Dean of Veterans Today are well
meaning fellows and are on the 'right team' so to speak
They are often dismissed as Conspiracy Kooks and they sometimes go a bit over the top
I suspect this is because they rely on sources that are perhaps somewhat unreliable [VT
says some of these sources are ex intel guys...so some truth bending might go with the
territory...]
Here is what we do know last month the Syrian government did say it found a 'rebel'
chemical weapons workshop and this was reported in Sputnik
and RT
What has been documented much more extensively especially in RT and Sputnik are huge
conventional weapons caches seized by the SAA as it liberates various locations from
terrorists often these weapons are visibly stamped with manufacturer data plates from US and
Nato countries
This is beyond doubt
So the logical question is how are these holed up bearded fanatics in Ghouta who are
surrounded on all sides getting this stuff for the last five years ?
There is a logistics question here who and how has been smuggling this into the besieged
enclave [including possibly chemical weapons] ?
That is really cloak and dagger stuff no doubt and actual verifiable info would be very
hard to come by
So there could be some truth to this idea that various Western spooks or at
least contractors are involved in this game of smuggling in everything from guns to chlorine
[which is readily available]
However it is doubtful that these personnel would have been caught by the advancing
SAA
Even if SAA did capture various Nato operators or agents there it might not be something
that the Russian side would publicize [I'm just guessing as a layman here...Mr. Giraldi would
certainly have a much better grasp on the nuts and bolts of such things...]
So overall I think this is a case where VT is perhaps a bit too optimistic
' We are still waiting for the first verifiable report of a jhadi and or family that has
been killed by one of these "attacks", or a cemetery of the gassed martyrs, or even a
headstone for such.
The amateur script writers forgot about that part '
That's a very good observation
With all these 'gas victims' churned out by the white helmets how is it that no
such 'martyr' graves have ever turned up ?
Or this observation as to how those chemicals might be used that the headchoppers are
cooking up in their workshops
' As for what these could be used for, how about throwing into a cellar filled with
human shield pro-Damascus family members to generate a nice pile of bodies for our
"un-free" Western media '
Photo showing the buses with the freed prisoners below
On March 26 even the French AFP ran this story
' In the largest city of the East Ghouta district, Douma, civilians and military
personnel have been liberated from the "jail of repentance," where they were kept prisoners
for years by Jaish al-Islam terrorists '
There were hundreds of women and children from the city of Adra, which was
captured by terrorists in December 2013. Adra is one of the largest industrial cities in
the suburbs of Damascus.
"In such places, extremists tortured the abducted people, forcing them to repent of
their sins. Thus, they wanted to realize the doctrine of a peaceful revolution. But what
sins do children, who were the greatest number in the prison, have to repent?" the source
asked.
According to the source, there were 3,500 inmates in the prison. The terrorists
used them as a human shield to put pressure on the Syrian army, which did everything
possible to save the lives of the people of the city '
So these are the 'good guys' for whom Dump is sending the United States to war
?
If he is as stupid as all that then I certainly hope that the Russians don't pull their
punches
At this point Dump is beyond redemption the sooner his disillusioned base cuts him loose
the better
Gordon Duff [Vietnam Marine grunt veteran] and Jim Dean of Veterans Today are well
meaning fellows and are on the 'right team' so to speak
No, they most certainly are NOT. The problem is not with them talking about conspiracies,
conspiracies do take place all the time
Problem is these guys are disinformation, especially Duffy.
The fact that Gordon Duff is a "disinfo toad" is certainly no secret. He has openly
admitted that "about thirty percent of what is on Veterans Today is patently false" and
that at least forty percent of what he writes is "purposely partially false".
Gordon Duff, senior editor of the website Veterans Today, published an article on May
20, 2014, that can only be described as rank disinformation that is meant to obscure the
truth about 9-11. To deliberately spread lies about what caused the deaths of thousands of
people on 9-11 is an egregious and unforgivable offense. The Duff article, which was edited
by Jim W. Dean, is so full of errors that it cannot be taken seriously, except perhaps as
evidence of his role as an agent of disinformation about 9-11.
Also, both Duff and Dean were 100% supporters of the ZUS/NATO war on Libya, and became
furious when several readers protested and confronted them in the comment sections, which led
to censorship. Maybe Duffy boy's defense contracts he claims to have in Africa and the ME had
something to do with that.
Red Crescent Says No Evidence of Chemical Attack in Syria's Douma
Patients treated by aid group not exposed to any chemical agents
Jason Ditz Posted on April 9, 2018
The Syrian Red Crescent issued a statement Monday dismissing the allegations of a
weekend chemical weapon attack in the city of Douma. The statement insisted their medical
personnel in the city had found no evidence any such attack took place.
Y ou might think it would be easier if not more foolproof for the warmongers to
stage a fake chemical attack in Syria by 2018 than it was staging the false flag attack on
the WTC in 2001, but even this simple but bogus narrative crumbles under perfunctory
inspection, and the lies stick out like a pitchfork in a goat's ass, or UA 175 stuck in the
middle at WTC 2, a lie for the ages frozen in pixels.
Not that obvious lies have been any detriment to the warmongers of the past, even when
George W. Bush told his whopper about watching the first WTC crash on the boob tube because
"the TV was obviously on."
Well, Shrub is part of the ruling oligarchy, so he's an untouchable with royal jelly or
something, like Blair, who probably caught it from the Queen.
In October 2001, Rudy Giuliani was even knighted by Her Royal Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II,
who bestowed upon the NYC mayor the modest title of Knight Commander of the Most Excellent
Order of the British Empire ostensibly for his "outstanding help and support to the
bereaved British families in New York."
Of course, successful destruction of WTC evidence had nothing to do with Rudy's award in
the same way that BBC's foreknowledge of WTC 7′s destruction was just one of those
doggone quirky things that happen, during false flags, when the evils hacks can't get their
timing right.
Just one more thing. I noticed that the slim 9/11 articles section has been removed from
the front page at Unz Review. Linh Dinh's article from August 13, 2017 "George Orwell and
Mohammed Atta Were Here" can be found under his name, as can the earlier sole entry in the
now-defunct 9/11 section, author Philip Giraldi's 10-25-2016 article "9/11 Truth?" which drew
over 1,000 comments.
After seeing the 3 Stooges, May, Macron and Trump, locking arms to start another war, I'd
like ours (Larry?) to know that if he becomes a wartime president, it will be difficult to
spend weekends in Mar Largo golfing. Think about it.
Red Crescent Says No Evidence of Chemical Attack in Syria's Douma
Patients treated by aid group not exposed to any chemical agents
Jason Ditz Posted on April 9, 2018
The Syrian Red Crescent issued a statement Monday dismissing the allegations of a weekend
chemical weapon attack in the city of Douma. The statement insisted their medical
personnel in the city had found no evidence any such attack took place.
Crisis Group's Sam Heller wordsmiths a different question, the next question: Can the U.S. Respond to the Syria Chemical Weapons Attack without Risking
Escalation?
After a seemingly sanguine introduction –
So far, no international party has said definitively or presented conclusive evidence
that the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical
weapons use. . . .
Heller tightens the frame to fit a preconceived image:
While the lack of access makes it difficult to immediately verify, chemical weapons
use would be consistent with past behaviour by the Syrian government. The government
has repeatedly employed chlorine and, more infrequently, sarin gas against areas under
rebel control , as documented by nonpartisan international bodies such as the United
Nations-established Joint Investigative Mechanism and the Independent International
Commission of Inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic. Chemical attacks fit within a broader
strategy the government has used of targeting civilians and fighters alike in rebel-held
areas. Through brutal means, this strategy renders these areas highly dangerous and
ultimately unlivable, permitting no viable alternative to government control.
That last bit is problematic: if gassed "areas are rendered unlivable," will the British
be holding hosts of quiet funerals for fallen White Helmet rescuers who entered the areas and
came in body-contact with victims?
Heller next constructs a scenario intended to provide a rationale for the Syrian
government to have made the attack, then reports that
"Syria's T-4 airbase was hit by an apparent Israeli airstrike on the morning of 9 April,
although it remains unclear whether the strike was related to the Douma chemical attack. .
. . from Lebanese airspace . . . killing seven Iranians. . . . "
Though Israel declined to comment, Heller noted that
"Israel also struck the T-4 base in February, after an Iranian drone it said was
launched from the base entered Israeli airspace. "
If all is fair in love and war, one must forebear pointing out the hypocrisy of Israel
attacking a Syrian target from Lebanese airspace in retaliation for Iran flying drones over
Israeli airspace. However, the same logic conveys the right to Iran and/or Syria and/or
Russia to attack an Israeli launching site in retaliation for its attacks on Syria.
But even wars have rules, that civilized people comply with -- statesmen like Sergei
Lavrov and Vladimir Putin understand this. But when the adversary/aggressor is a psychopath
who disdains convention's rules and limits, then what?
Israel is not like a drunk or addict that has hit the wall -- such a person is, at that
point, ready for intensive rehabilitation. But a psychopath is not in that category.
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god?
– W H Auden
How does one deal with a psychopath?
How does one deal with a rabid dog? Can a rabid dog be medicated, or re-trained?
What signals do Israelis send about how an entity that fails to comply with demanded norms
should be treated? Israelis insist that such entities respond "only to force." Projection may
be as close to insight as a psychopath can get.
If it is the case that Israel can only be dealt with by force, that the rabid dog must be
put down, then what are we to make of Phil Weiss's recent claim
that Israel's attacks on Palestinians has caused American Jews to distance themselves from
Israel.
Does that mean they will ignore the mad dog as long as it does not roam on their street, or
does that mean they will agree that for the good of their own neighborhood as well as the
entire community, the dog must be put down?
The press in the USA is more effectively controlled and conformist than in Germany in the
late 1930s
Who controlled the press there and then?
What can be said about the control and conformity of the Soviet, British and American press
of the time?
...and nobody goes around beating up journalists or sending them to a KZ.
That's probably because the usual thugs don't need to do that any longer since
they control virtually everything.
A couple of anecdotes to illustrate my point.:
2 of the reasons we don't hear much about mobsters these days are that the press and
judiciary are owned by them and if you do get something published, you run the risk of getting
snuffed. They probably don't stop at mere blinding anymore.
Victor Riesel was an American newspaper journalist and columnist who specialized in
news related to labor unions. In 1956 a mobster threw sulfuric acid in his face on a public
street in Chicago causing his permanent blindness.
"Treason is a strong word, but not too strong to characterize the situation in which the
Senate is the eager, resourceful, and indefatigable agent of interests as hostile to
the American people as any invading army could be." This indictment launched a
nine-part series of articles entitled "Treason of the Senate."
-David Graham Phillips, Cosmopolitan magazine, February 1906
In 1911 Phillips was shot multiple t imes by Fitzhugh Coyle Goldsborough, a
Harvard-educated scion of a prominent Maryland family, at Gramercy Park in New York City.
The intent of my post was to show that the MSM here is conformist and doesn't like to
stray far from what the USG is claiming and what other journalists are writing. Rather than
explore the topics you raise, as worthy of exploration as they might be, I thought I'd offer
what newspapers around the USA were saying about Saddam's WMD after Powell's UNSC speech;
seems a bit more germane.
The Powell evidence will be persuasive to anyone who is still persuadable.
The Wall Street Journal
Piling fact upon fact, photo upon photo Wednesday, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
methodically demonstrated why Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein remains dangerous to his own
people, Iraq's neighbors
The Los Angeles Times
On Wednesday, America's most reluctant warrior, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell,
presented succinct and damning evidence of Saddam's enormous threat to world peace.
Arizona Republic
Saddam Hussein's illicit arsenal of biological and chemical weapons, as well as the
equally illicit means that he possesses to deliver them, poses a tangible and urgent danger
to U.S. and world security. Millions of innocent lives are at risk.
Dallas Morning News
At some point, the world chooses to believe President George W. Bush and Secretary Powell
or the international community chooses to side with Saddam Hussein and those who broadcast
his lies to the world. Powell has painstakingly presented a strong case against Iraq.
Greenville News/South Carolina
Iraq is busted. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell laid out the case clearly. No one
hearing Powell's presentation to the United Nations Security Council could doubt Iraq's
actions and intentions.
Jacksonville Times-Union/Florida
The threat is real and at our door. Sept. 11, 2001, stripped away the belief that the
United States can peacefully coexist with evil. Prove it, they said. Powell has.
Charleston Daily Mail/West Virginia
We are a country always loath to fight unless provoked. The reluctance of Americans to
initiate a war needlessly does the nation credit. But this is not a needless war, nor is it
unprovoked. Powell laid out the need, and explained the provocation, in step-by-step fashion
that cannot be refuted without resorting to fantasy.
Chicago Sun-Times
The Dispatch repeatedly has called on the Bush administration to make a compelling case
that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is developing weapons of mass destruction and hiding these
efforts from U.N. inspectors. Yesterday, Secretary of State Colin Powell made that case
before the Security Council.
Columbus Dispatch
Powell has methodically proved Iraq's failure to comply with U.N. mandates. With each
passing day, Iraq's own choices move it closer to a war that full compliance would
prevent.
Indianapolis Star
Secretary of State Colin Powell's 90-minute presentation to the U.N. Security Council,
buttressed with surveillance photographs and recorded phone conversations, should remove all
doubt that Iraq's Saddam Hussein has developed and hides weapons of mass destruction, in
violation of U.N. resolutions.
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Powell's speech to the U.N. Security Council presented not just one 'smoking gun' but a
battery of them, more than sufficient to dispel any lingering doubt about the threat the
Iraqi dictator poses.
Denver Post
The United States has made a compelling case that Iraq has failed to rid itself of weapons
of mass destruction. This failure violates the U.N. Security Council resolution of late last
year which ordered Iraq to disarm. As a consequence and it is a grave one, the Security
Council must act now to disarm Iraq by force.
Salt Lake City Tribune
Powell has connected enough dots to tie Iraq to al-Qaeda and show that this alliance is a
threat to all of Europe as well as the United States.
Manchester Union Leader
In fact, the speech provided proof that Saddam continues to refuse to obey U.N.
resolutions. Any amount of time he has now to comply fully and openly with U.N. demands
should be measured in days or a few weeks – and no longer.
These ridiculous, suicidal gas attacks by Assad seem to coincide not only with battleground
victories against the head-choppers, but co-incidentally with Israel's murderous attacks on
unarmed Palestinians "throwing stones".
What nobody seems to have picked up is the emphasis – and red lines – on Gas;
gas, gas attacks. Why is gas so much worse than being dismembered, disembowelled, and
mutilated by high explosives? Certainly I would favour unconsciousness and death by gas
before being smashed to pieces by depleted uranium.
These relentlessly repeated claims are an exercise with the dual purpose of providing a
subliminal message about the greatest tragedy in human history, repeated ad nauseam. The
massive 'gassing' of European Jews some 65 years ago. Lest we forget.
It does look rather like those Syrian chemical weapon attacks that happen whenever the rebels
are about to be defeated.
I am pretty sure that it was not ordered within the British government and that most of
the British government don't know where it came from, but are willing to believe it was
Russia.
While the CIA does have plenty of form on assassinations, the risk if they were found to
be assassinating in Britain seems quite high due to the close CIA links with the UK
intelligence sector. But CIA agents could have paid someone else to do it.
Mossad is the one group that can act freely in the UK, has a record of assassinating
scientists, engineers etc here, and unlike CIA, can take the risk of being caught. So it's a
possibility – OTOH Israel has shown a lot less anti-Russian hatred than the US Deep
State has.
Normally I'd assume it was indeed Russia – I thought there was plenty of evidence
the Polonium poisoning was Russia – and it still seems possible, but US or Mossad must
be at least equally likely in this case. It's just possible it could have been British
initiated but I doubt it.
I do think it's most likely the person who actually poisoned them was not an employee of
any agency.
Regarding fukus shenanigans,
How could we omit the CIA/MI6 'greatest hit ', the 1965 genocide of 3M Indonesians
'leftists suspects' , The mother of all regime changes ???
The Skriptal caper looks like kindergarten stuff compared to that 1965
genocide.
fukus orchestrated that bloodbath to remove prez Sukarno cuZ he's pro Beijing. MI6 planted disinfo in HK media about an imminent China sponsored coup , supported by
ethnic Chinese fifth columns.
CIA planted 'evidence' of Chinese supplied arms , to be conveniently 'discovered' by Indon
police . [1]
That devious plot provoked a bloodbath by jihadists death squads against the PKI communists
members and ethnic Chinese indons.
CIA whistle blower, John Mcgehee,
The Indonesian covert action of 1965, reported by Ralph McGehee, who was in that area
division, and had documents on his desk, in his custody about that operation. He said that
one of the documents concluded that this was a model operation that should be copied
elsewhere in the world. Not only did it eliminate the effective communist party
(Indonesian communist party), it also eliminated the entire segment of the population
that tended to support the communist party – the ethnic Chinese, Indonesian Chinese.
And the CIA's report put the number of dead at 800,000 killed. And that was one covert
action. We're talking about 1 to 3 million people killed in these things.
[2]
[1]
U.S. officials were particularly interested in linking the September 30th plotters to
Beijing. They helped to spread stories about China's alleged involvement and reported on
caches of weapons purportedly "discovered" by the Indonesian army with the hammer and
sickle conveniently stamped on them. "
We have bonanza chance to nail chicoms on disastrous events in Indonesia ," Green
wrote the State Department. He urged a "continuation [of] covert propaganda" as one of the
"best means of spreading [the] idea of chicom complicity
'Company ' veterans are so proud of that CIA'S greatest hit,
they still reminiscent fondly over it around the water cooler, until this very day.
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Your decrying confirms that the British has done something wrong and they did poison
Skripals in Salisbury England. This unscrupulous false flag op, crying foul and smearing the
innocent for the crime they committed relentlessly is a special signature of the
British/Anglo culture and trait. The following history provides the evidence the above is not
allegation but fact.
Nov 24, 1784, a British gunner on the ship "Lady Hughes" fired cannon against Chinese law
and killed two Chinese in Guangzhou. The British refused to hand over the gunner to the
Chinese authority for trail and called up few hundred armed sailors to stop the Chinese
authority from searching the perpetrator in the British warehouses and living compound.
Anyhow the British was outwitted and the perpetrator was tried by the Chinese, convicted
and executed in according to the Chinese law; during that time the British law also gave
death penalty for the same crime.
The British had been trampling other people's sovereignty and law like India with impunity
for a couple of hundreds of years already by then. Never a British was tried and punished for
the crimes, murder or not, they committed since they supplanted the Spanish. British viewed
themselves above all human beings and not bound by any other people's law. The execution of
the gunner made the British Council of Supercargos feel humiliated and devastated as well as
being impotent and incompetent in the eyes of their superiors in London and their peers
(other Europeans) in Guangzhou.
In order to cover their crimes and failures, the megalomaniac British decried Chinese
legal system was barbaric and sanguinary relentlessly like Anonymous[338] is doing here to
Russia. All the Europeans jumped on the British mudslinging bandwagon for the effort to gain
extraterritoriality in China, so they could steal, loot, plunder, etc. Chinese wealth with
impunity like Elizabeth I's Sea Dogs. Soon after the "Lady Hughes" incident the view that
entire Chinese legal system was barbaric and sanguinary or there is no law in China become
the dominant representation of China ever since.
The British then engineered Opium Wars for the vengeance of their "Lady Hughes"
humiliation, and set to destroy the last nation denying their piracy and other unscrupulous
deeds on the moral high ground. If history can be any guidance, the Anglo is not going to
stop at smearing Russia; more vicious plot is going to come.
Bernhard over at his blog, Moon of Alabama, is advocating for the poisoning being real,
but being traceable to shellfish poisoning. The Skripals had a shellfish dish at a local
restaurant about 40 minutes prior to their discovery on the park bench. While very serious,
and potentially fatal, if addressed with respiratory and cardiac support in a timely fashion,
this poisoning is survivable.
The toxin involved in classic shellfish poisoning is a naturally occurring
neurotoxin, Saxitoxin, which agent remains toxic even after boiling or steaming, exactly the
food preparation techniques likely to be employed in preparing shellfish for consumption.
This is, indeed, what makes it so pernicious.
That the Brits, primed for lies in aid of the Hate On The Rooskies campaign, lit on their
story is unsurprising. Of course, the denial of the authorities at the hospital that
anyone , the Skripals and the supposedly affected policeman, was suffering from
exposure to a chemical weapon, along with the refusal of Porton Down officials to lend
credence to the hoo haw that this was surely traceable to Novichok series chemical agents
identifiably produced by the Russians kind of shot some holes in the big lies.
Anyway, cast an eye at the post at Moon of Alabama. Bernhard is pretty damn good at
winnowing facts from the chaff of propaganda, and when he makes a mistake, he openly
confesses it instead of doubling down on a falsehood.
"... Repeated requests by Russia to obtain a sample of the alleged nerve agent for testing have been rejected by the British government in spite of the fact that a military grade nerve agent would have surely killed both the Skripals as well as anyone else within 100 yards. ..."
"... It does look rather like those Syrian chemical weapon attacks that happen whenever the rebels are about to be defeated. ..."
"... Actually, I think that in the end Russia has to thank the British for sending a great message to her traitors and gangsters. ..."
Moving along to the present, we have Prime Minister Theresa May. May has been in serious
trouble, politically speaking. After losses suffered in the recent parliamentary elections, she
is clinging to power and is increasingly unpopular even within her own Conservative Party. So
what do you do when you are in trouble at home? You create a foreign crisis that you have to
deal with. If you are someone as venal as former American President and bottom feeder Bill
Clinton you accomplish that end by firing off a few cruise missiles at a pharmaceutical plant
in Sudan and at some mud huts in Afghanistan. If you are Theresa May, you up the ante
considerably, coming up with a powerful enemy who is threatening you, enabling you to appear
both resolute and strong in confronting a formidable foe. That is precisely what we have been
seeing over the past month relating to the alleged poisoning of former Russian intelligence
agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.
There is quite a bit that is odd about the Skripal case. Even the increasingly neoconnish
Guardian newspaper has conceded that "the British case [against Russia] has so far relied more
heavily in public on circumstantial evidence and secret intelligence." And secret intelligence,
so called, has all too often been the last refuge of a scoundrel whenever a government is
selling snake oil to the public. In this case, Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson rushed to
judgement on Russia less than forty-eight hours after the Skripals were found unconscious on a
bench in Salisbury England, too soon for any chemical analysis of the alleged poisoning to have
taken place.
Theresa May addressed Parliament shortly thereafter to blame the Kremlin and demand a
Russian official response to the event in 36 hours, even though she had to prevaricate
significantly, saying that the apparent poisoning was "very likely" caused by a made-in-Russia
nerve agent referred to by its generic name Novichok. She nevertheless rallied the backbenchers
in Parliament, who responded with a lot of hearty "Hear! Hear!" endorsements. When Labour
Leader Jeremy Corbyn attempted to slow the express train down by suggesting that it might be
wise to wait in see what the police investigation uncovered, he was hooted down. The British
media was soon on board with a vengeance, spreading the government line that such a highly
sensitive operation would require the approval of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin himself. The
expulsion of Russian diplomats soon followed.
One of the strangest aspects of the Skripal case is what is going on now that daughter Yulia
will soon be out of the hospital and Sergei is no longer in critical condition. A cousin
Viktoria Skripal has offered to fly in from Moscow to provide support for her family, but it is
believed that she will not be able to receive a visa from the British. Russian television aired
a recording of a phone call between the two cousins in which Yulia said that she was
disoriented but improving and that neither she nor her father had suffered permanent damage
from the poisoning. The call ended abruptly and Viktoria Skripal believes that it was scripted
by the British government on a controlled phone line.
Repeated requests by Russia to obtain a sample of the alleged nerve agent for testing
have been rejected by the British government in spite of the fact that a military grade nerve
agent would have surely killed both the Skripals as well as anyone else within 100 yards.
As the latest British account of the location of the alleged poison places it on the door
handle of the Scripals' residence, the timetable element is also unconvincing. That means that
the two would have spent three hours, including a stop at a pub and lunch, before succumbing on
a park bench. Military grade nerve agents kill instantly.
A request to have the testing done by the politically neutral Organization for the
Prohibition of Chemical Weapons is in progress, but there is little enthusiasm from the British
side, which does not want a Russian observer to participate in the process. The May government
has already established its own narrative and certainly would have plenty to hide if the whole
affair turns out to be fabricated. And fabricated it might have been as the nerve agent, if it
actually exists, could have been manufactured almost anywhere.
The head of Britain's own chemical weapons facility Porton Down has contradicted claims made
by May, Foreign Minister Boris Johnson, and British Ambassador in Moscow Laurie Bristow. The
lab's Chief Executive Gary Aitkenhead has testified that he does not know if the nerve agent
was actually produced in Russia, a not surprising observation as the chemical formula was
revealed to the public in a scientific paper in 1992 and there are an estimated twenty
countries capable of producing it. There are also possible stocks of Novichok remaining in
independent countries that once were part of the Soviet Union, to include Russia's enemy du
jour Ukraine, while a false flag operation by the British themselves, the CIA or Mossad, is not
unthinkable.
The resort to official Orwellian govspeak by the British is remarkable throughout the
process, but is particularly painful reading regarding the treatment of the Skripals' pets, two
guinea pigs and a cat. A spokesman for the Department of the Environment reported that "The
property in Wiltshire was sealed as part of the police investigation. When a vet was able to
access the property, two guinea pigs had sadly died. A cat was also found in a distressed state
and a decision was taken by a veterinary surgeon to euthanize the animal to alleviate its
suffering. This decision was taken in the best interests of the animal and its welfare."
So the presence of squadrons of technicians and cops in the residence did not permit anyone
to take a minute to feed the cat and guinea pigs. And the cat was killed as a purely
humanitarian gesture – it's "best interest" was apparently to die. Sounds familiar,
doesn't it?
Finally, the best argument against the British government's evasions about what took place
in Salisbury on March 4 th remains the question of motive. So the British would have
one believe that Vladimir Putin personally ordered the killing of a former British double agent
who had been released from a Kremlin prison in a spy swap and who was no longer capable of
doing any damage to Russia. He did that in spite of the fact that he had an election coming up
and would be the host of the World Cup in the summer, an event that he would want to go
smoothly. So he deliberately shot himself in the foot on both counts, allegedly because he
wanted to send a message to traitors and also because just can't help himself since he is a
vindictive KGB type whose impulses are pure evil. Does that make sense to the reader? It
doesn't to me. Mulegino1 ,
April 10,
2018 at 4:49 am GMT
A great man once wrote that the "big lie" had a force of credulity among the broad masses, as
the latter were wont to engage in lying about minor quotidian matters of little or no
significance while the big lies were engaged in by the mainstream press, dominated by the
usual tribal suspects...
But here's something else I don't quite understand:
To be sure, President Donald Trump has been exceptional in that he has followed through
on some of the promises he made in his campaign, insisting periodically that he has to do
what he said he would do. Unfortunately, those choices he has made to demonstrate his
accountability to his supporters have been terrible, including moving the U.S. Embassy in
Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, threatening to end the Iran nuclear agreement and
building a wall along the Mexican border.
Now, Trump is a sense-free random number generator, I will fully agree. But you list three
"choices he has made" that you describe as "terrible:" the US embassy move to Jerusalem, the
threats against Iran, and "building a wall along the Mexican border." The first two Trump has
done, and I agree that "terrible" is the right word to describe them. The third thing -- the
border wall -- he hasn't done. And had he done so, it wouldn't have been
"terrible" it would have been the obvious and sensible thing to do. I think he clearly isn't
serious about building the wall, as far as one can discern the intentions of so random an
individual. But your list presents three items in parallel, with one item being quite unlike
the others.
Logic escapes the rabid Neocons, anti Christian Russia crowd and their paid henchmen, or
henchgirls , the likes of Linda Graham. (Grin) Unfortunatley the now feckless Trump is
going to go along with this British yarn and the Neocon wish of destroying Syria.
BTW as of this post your site has still not recovered from the cyber attack it had
today.
"So the British would have one believe that Vladimir Putin personally ordered the killing of
a former British double agent who had been released from a Kremlin prison in a spy swap and
who was no longer capable of doing any damage to Russia. He did that in spite of the fact
that he had an election coming up and would be the host of the World Cup in the summer, an
event that he would want to go smoothly. So he deliberately shot himself in the foot on both
counts, allegedly because he wanted to send a message to traitors and also because just can't
help himself since he is a vindictive KGB type whose impulses are pure evil. Does that make
sense to the reader?"
Absolutely. Under the Putin regime, the body count of his enemies has grown. He put the
"de Thirty-four Russian journalists in the last decade just somehow "died". Occam's Razor
applies here.
Consider also that Putin played a major role in the Russian "Deep State".
It makes complete sense if one simply looks at the British Establishment's prior behavior of
intentionally starting world wars at the order of the Society of the Elect. It's all in the
CFR's archives. Their guilt in starting WW1 is emphatically admitted and documented in
roughly the first 200 pages of the following book. http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf
Who is in the Society of the Elect? Read the back pages of http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/The_Anglo-American_Establishment.pdf
We have moved way beyond the Skripals case now. Simply put, if US shoots in Syria, Russia
will shoot back this time, yes back at US. USS Donald Duck has been placed as a bait to be
sent to the bottom of Mediterrenain sea by the Russians, similar to Arizona et al at Pearl
Harbour.
Many dissenter websites are currently under attack by the cyber forces of the Western
regimes and Israel, one of them being this one. Another site under attack is my favorite
johnhelmer.com. In addition to saying that he is under attack, the current message from John
is:
WHEN THE RULE OF LAW WAS DESTROYED IN SALISBURY, LONDON AND THE HAGUE, AND THE RULE OF FRAUD
DECLARED IN WASHINGTON, THAT LEAVES ONLY THE RULE OF FORCE IN THE WORLD. THE STAVKA MET IN
MOSCOW ON GOOD FRIDAY AND IS READY. THE FOREIGN MINISTRY ANNOUNCED ON SUNDAY "THE GRAVEST
CONSEQUENCES". THIS MEANS ONE AMERICAN SHOT AT A RUSSIAN SOLDIER, THEN WE ARE AT WAR. NOT
INFOWAR, NOT CYBERWAR, NOT ECONOMIC WAR, NOT PROXY WAR. WORLD WAR.
The West is utterly bankrupt, morally as well as financially and we are experiencing the
Western remedial plan and actions – war!
"In 2016 an official British government inquiry determined that Bush and Blair had indeed
together rushed to war. The Global Establishment has nevertheless rewarded Tony Blair for his
loyalty with Clintonesque generosity. He has enjoyed a number of well-paid sinecures and is
now worth in excess of $100 million."
– The character of Blair and the Establishment is well established: Blair is a major
war criminal supported by the major war profiteers. His children and grandchildren are a
progeny of a horrible criminal.
What is truly amazing is the complacency of the Roman Catholic Church that still has not
excommunicated and anathematized the mass murderer. Blair should be haunted and hunted for
his crimes against humanity.
With age, Blair's face has become expressively evil. His wife Theresa Cara "Cherie" Blair
shows the same acute ugliness coming from her rotten soul of a war profiteer.
Keep in mind how long ago all this is: Skripal was recruited around 1990 and arrested in
2004. Guess that the Russian attitude towards Skripal took the chaos of the 90′s as
mitigating circumstances into account.
Skripal served his sentence of only 13 years till 2010 when he was pardoned and given the
option to leave. Russia did not revoke Skripal's citizenship. The UK issued Skripal a
passport too. On arrival in the UK Skripak was extensively debriefed by UK intelligence
services. Skripal has lived for 8 years in the UK now.
And now out of the blue this incident nicely dovetailing with May ratcheted up anti Russia
language only a few months before this false flag incident and the rapidly failing traction
of the Steele/Orbis/MI6 instigated Russia collusion story on the basis of that fake Trump
Dossier. By the way Orbis affiliated Steele and Miller have been among Skripal's
handlers.
Good article. The Skipnal affair has been an utter disgrace from day one. May & Boris are
a shame on the UK fully reminesent of that utter dog, Blair. The fact that the msm still
babbles on about Russia & Skipnal is indicative of their monumental contempt for the
public & factual balanced reporting .well what's new, I guess ?
Paul Craig Roberts is correct when quoting The Saker:
"The Russian view is simple: the West is ruled by a gang of thugs supported by an
infinitely lying and hypocritical media while the general public in the West has been
hopelessly zombified." -- The Saker
These ridiculous, suicidal gas attacks by Assad seem to coincide not only with battleground
victories against the head-choppers, but co-incidentally with Israel's murderous attacks on
unarmed Palestinians "throwing stones".
What nobody seems to have picked up is the emphasis – and red lines – on Gas;
gas, gas attacks. Why is gas so much worse than being dismembered, disembowelled, and
mutilated by high explosives? Certainly I would favour unconsciousness and death by gas
before being smashed to pieces by depleted uranium.
These relentlessly repeated claims are an exercise with the dual purpose of providing a
subliminal message about the greatest tragedy in human history, repeated ad nauseam. The
massive 'gassing' of European Jews some 65 years ago. Lest we forget.
Until some kind of sanity returns to this planet and war mongering gangsters like the Bush
and Clinton Mobs, Blair, Obama and a host of Pentagon generals, along with their boot-licking
MSM are indicted, tried for crimes against humanity and war crimes, found guilty and
sentences carried out, there will be no peace on Earth, just an endless series of False
Flags, hysterical reactions by the ones who were behind the False Flags and more wars.
Balfour already in 1907 announced war against Germany: Patrick J. Buchanan, 'Churchill,
Hitler and "The unnecessary war", How Britain lost its empire and the west lost the world',
New York, 2008, Balfour, to US ambassador Henry White, 1907, page 48/ 49
Because if it is a put up job by the CIA or MI6 part of the plot would have been that they
weren't actually killed. And if the perpetrators were other than those what motive would the
government have for pretending they were alive?
It does look rather like those Syrian chemical weapon attacks that happen whenever the
rebels are about to be defeated.
I am pretty sure that it was not ordered within the British government and that most of
the British government don't know where it came from, but are willing to believe it was
Russia.
While the CIA does have plenty of form on assassinations, the risk if they were found to
be assassinating in Britain seems quite high due to the close CIA links with the UK
intelligence sector. But CIA agents could have paid someone else to do it.
Mossad is the one group that can act freely in the UK, has a record of assassinating
scientists, engineers etc here, and unlike CIA, can take the risk of being caught. So it's a
possibility – OTOH Israel has shown a lot less anti-Russian hatred than the US Deep
State has.
Normally I'd assume it was indeed Russia – I thought there was plenty of evidence
the Polonium poisoning was Russia – and it still seems possible, but US or Mossad must
be at least equally likely in this case. It's just possible it could have been British
initiated but I doubt it.
I do think it's most likely the person who actually poisoned them was not an employee of
any agency.
Theresa May as more evil than Bill Clinton? That will sound odd to some, but I think it is
true. Hillary is the pure evil half of the Clinton marriage. Bill is simply charming and
filled with a desire to amass enough power to have a group adore him as he finds new panties
to explore.
May is English, and she has the very long line of Brit Empire secret service evil at her
disposal. And her move is a bold one. What it means is that she is signaling that at least if
she is PM, the UK could replace the US as Fearless Leader of the actual New World
Order...
THANK YOU, anyone who give Chump credit for anything, is either a useful idiot, or
controlled opposition.
Trump is, like Obama and H. Clinton (and Bush and B. Clinton Reagan though total control
of US government had not yet occurred then) a Zionist agent.
The media is very good at giving these traitors cover, Obama was the "peace
President/Constitutional scholar, as he made war and shredded the Constitution...
I challenge anyone to name a modern war prosecuted by the US government and its allies that
did not involve at its root the direct fabrication of blatant lies on enormous levels, both
as a casus belli and also to manipulate public opinion in favor of hostilities.
The clandestine activity represented by these *provocations* isn't even good spycraft. The
Skripal case and the latest use of chlorine gas in Syria are risible, clumsy, amateur
attempts to wangle the empire into war that the callowest rube could see through. And yet,
it's working its magic on the media. The politicians, suborned by the war machine, give
unanimous bipartisan assent.
Saddam's WMD, Gulf of Tonkin, etc., etc. And now a ridiculous false flag attack in Syria.
Did it take place at all? But the narrative is all. The press in the USA is more effectively
controlled and conformist than in Germany in the late 1930s and nobody goes around beating up
journalists or sending them to a KZ. The Syrian Gov't is winning the civil war, things are
going well but what Assad really needs is to have the crap bombed out of his military by
Uncle Sam. What transparent bullshit.
Churchill advocated both the use of gas as well as terror, so I find it interesting that
so many suddenly tender hearted "officials" and war criminals now affect squeamishness
regarding the use of it, yet fail to condemn Israel for its hideous, terroristic use of white
phosphorous among other crimes
Winston S. Churchill: departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12 May 1919 War
Office I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas.
I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas gasses can be used which cause
great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror
from Companion Volume 4, Part 1 of the official biography, WINSTON S. CHURCHILL, by
Martin Gilbert (London: Heinemann, 1976)
The press in the USA is more effectively controlled and conformist than in Germany in
the late 1930s
Who controlled the press there and then?
What can be said about the control and conformity of the Soviet, British and American
press of the time?
and nobody goes around beating up journalists or sending them to a KZ.
That's probably because the usual thugs don't need to do that any longer since they
control virtually everything.
A couple of anecdotes to illustrate my point.:
2 of the reasons we don't hear much about mobsters these days are that the press and
judiciary are owned by them and if you do get something published, you run the risk of
getting snuffed. They probably don't stop at mere blinding anymore.
Victor Riesel was an American newspaper journalist and columnist who specialized in
news related to labor unions. In 1956 a mobster threw sulfuric acid in his face on a
public street in Chicago causing his permanent blindness.
"Treason is a strong word, but not too strong to characterize the situation in which the
Senate is the eager, resourceful, and indefatigable agent of interests as hostile to
the American people as any invading army could be." This indictment launched a
nine-part series of articles entitled "Treason of the Senate."
-David Graham Phillips, Cosmopolitan magazine, February 1906
In 1911 Phillips was shot multiple t imes by Fitzhugh Coyle Goldsborough, a
Harvard-educated scion of a prominent Maryland family ,at Gramercy Park in New York
City.
Good article.
Still, you authors need to start digging deeper. Trump and his Allies are putting on an
amazing show / act to distract their ( and Humanities going back generations) hidden enemies.
The Bad Guys have for millennia weoponized information, convincing the public, reporters,
and journalists that the rabbit hole ends here, that they don't need to dig any deeper, to
just accept this slightly deeper layer of the onion. That warm and fuzzy feeling from
scratching just a little deeper into to information matrix, isn't enough anymore. You guys
have the intelligence, experience, and ability just do it please!
Actually, I think that in the end Russia has to thank the British for sending a great
message to her traitors and gangsters. Apart from the Skripal case, the UK seems up to
confiscate the wealth Russian expats in the UK looted back home. On the one hand, it's ~
$10bn worth that will be definitely lost for Russia, on the other if the UK's treatment of
Skripal and runaway oligarchs won't heal Russian traitors and gangsters from their blissful
enamourment with England's climate, I don't know what will.
I can't find the comment because the comment archive is down -- I think it was annamaria
who reported that the British were holding assets of Russian oligarchs and that Russia wanted
the funds back. The speculation was that Teresa May would take possession of the assets.
As these two articles state, most of the Russian billionaire oligarchs are Jewish
US Treasury Putin List Features Jewish Billionaires Times of Israel
So at least (conspiracy theory) part of the Skripal scheme is for Teresa May to be an
angel and return their assets to the Jewish billionaires who stole Russian wealth fair and
square.
I am very fond of the British. They have provided a good deal of what makes the US a healthy
and blessed place to live.
But I will admit that I was disappointed in PM Blair on the Iraq invasion and that of
Afghanistan. It seemed so blatantly obvious to me, that I thought there was no way the prime
minister would buy in. I was wrong. But then who would have believed that the Tory's would
abandon natural relations for same sex relations, muchless marriage.
It's unclear how to respond when the leadership is so afraid that they advance anything to
avoid grappling with hard reality. PM May has the hurdle of guiding Great Britain out of the
EU.
I too noticed that and agree with you. Do not understand why the National Guard can only
serve in a supportive, non-enforcement role on the border. Heck, every nation uses its
military to guard its borders. We need to send our military to guard our border. It's really
very simple–no one can enter the US unless they have been admitted legally.
Another thing I don't understand is how these "sanctuary" cities can so blatantly flout
federal law by sheltering illegals from ICE or any federal law enforcement agencies. If any
city does so, the federal government should put them on notice that ALL federal funds will be
cut off.
He makes great points, and I'm encouraged that he's allowed to do so on to a big and
important audience.
I remember when his predecessor, Bill O'Rielly, claimed to have seen the evidence of
Saddam's WMD, and told his audience, on the run up to war, and I was appalled. As indeed, it
turned out he too was lying.
When the ZUSA was entrenched in the highly profitable war on Vietnam, there seemed to be
no way to end it. Protests in the streets and at the universities, and anger at the war and
war pig$ seemed to no avail.
But then a phenomena began. Fragging.
one wonders .
at seven minutes in, Carlson interviews a senator. The senator does his best to lie and
deceive, as only a ZUS senator can. But Tucker eviscerates him on screen.
now if this senator, and others like him, were themselves put into peril by these
serial, treasonous wars for Israel, would they still be so keen to have Americans die,
slaughtering innocent people- to bolster and benefit the main enemy of America; Israel?
I imagine the parent of a young American, who's life was sacrificed to augment the career
of Lindsey Graham. Or other Americans who're fed up with the endless wars for Israel, and are
willing to do something about the treasonous scum who're demanding and foisting all of these
Satanic wars.
Just as Tucker says, any general who advocates for these wars, should be required to
actually visit a battlefield, so too I wonder about the politicians, and how they eventually
have to go home, and live among their constituents. What if some of the worst of them, like
Graham for instance, were to actually suffer some consequence for all the evil he's done, and
continues to do?
Of course I'm not advocating anything illegal. Just ruminating on potential solutions to
the Eternal Wars for Israel – which are nothing more or less than a continuation of the
first two World Wars (for Israel) duh
END the FED!
(or watch your nation bankrupted and looted and made to die for Israel)
Come on yankee , ( as you say USA is a country of unbridled greed. An insatiable appetite
for blood , land , alcohol ,and loot ) . Just return California , Arizona , New Mexico ,
Florida , Nevada , Utah , Colorado and Louisiana to Mexico , and Alaska to Russia ) , and
then, only then , you can talk .
PS , and do not forget to close the 8OO occupation bases the US has around the world , you
will save a lot of money
The intent of my post was to show that the MSM here is conformist and doesn't like to
stray far from what the USG is claiming and what other journalists are writing. Rather than
explore the topics you raise, as worthy of exploration as they might be, I thought I'd offer
what newspapers around the USA were saying about Saddam's WMD after Powell's UNSC speech;
seems a bit more germane.
The Powell evidence will be persuasive to anyone who is still persuadable.
The Wall Street Journal
Piling fact upon fact, photo upon photo Wednesday, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
methodically demonstrated why Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein remains dangerous to his own
people, Iraq's neighbors
The Los Angeles Times
On Wednesday, America's most reluctant warrior, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell,
presented succinct and damning evidence of Saddam's enormous threat to world peace.
Arizona Republic
Saddam Hussein's illicit arsenal of biological and chemical weapons, as well as the
equally illicit means that he possesses to deliver them, poses a tangible and urgent danger
to U.S. and world security. Millions of innocent lives are at risk.
Dallas Morning News
At some point, the world chooses to believe President George W. Bush and Secretary Powell
or the international community chooses to side with Saddam Hussein and those who broadcast
his lies to the world. Powell has painstakingly presented a strong case against Iraq.
Greenville News/South Carolina
Iraq is busted. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell laid out the case clearly. No one
hearing Powell's presentation to the United Nations Security Council could doubt Iraq's
actions and intentions.
Jacksonville Times-Union/Florida
The threat is real and at our door. Sept. 11, 2001, stripped away the belief that the
United States can peacefully coexist with evil. Prove it, they said. Powell has.
Charleston Daily Mail/West Virginia
We are a country always loath to fight unless provoked. The reluctance of Americans to
initiate a war needlessly does the nation credit. But this is not a needless war, nor is it
unprovoked. Powell laid out the need, and explained the provocation, in step-by-step fashion
that cannot be refuted without resorting to fantasy.
Chicago Sun-Times
The Dispatch repeatedly has called on the Bush administration to make a compelling case
that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is developing weapons of mass destruction and hiding these
efforts from U.N. inspectors. Yesterday, Secretary of State Colin Powell made that case
before the Security Council.
Columbus Dispatch
Powell has methodically proved Iraq's failure to comply with U.N. mandates. With each
passing day, Iraq's own choices move it closer to a war that full compliance would
prevent.
Indianapolis Star
Secretary of State Colin Powell's 90-minute presentation to the U.N. Security Council,
buttressed with surveillance photographs and recorded phone conversations, should remove all
doubt that Iraq's Saddam Hussein has developed and hides weapons of mass destruction, in
violation of U.N. resolutions.
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Powell's speech to the U.N. Security Council presented not just one 'smoking gun' but a
battery of them, more than sufficient to dispel any lingering doubt about the threat the
Iraqi dictator poses.
Denver Post
The United States has made a compelling case that Iraq has failed to rid itself of weapons
of mass destruction. This failure violates the U.N. Security Council resolution of late last
year which ordered Iraq to disarm. As a consequence and it is a grave one, the Security
Council must act now to disarm Iraq by force.
Salt Lake City Tribune
Powell has connected enough dots to tie Iraq to al-Qaeda and show that this alliance is a
threat to all of Europe as well as the United States.
Manchester Union Leader
In fact, the speech provided proof that Saddam continues to refuse to obey U.N.
resolutions. Any amount of time he has now to comply fully and openly with U.N. demands
should be measured in days or a few weeks – and no longer.
The Skripal affair is better understood in the context of "sir" Savile' knighthood -- when
the influential pedophile had been raping and molesting kids for 40 years and none stood up
to the criminal. The BBC has dutifully refused to publish anything that would upset "sir"
Savile. The Scotland Yard looked the other way -- precisely as the Establishment ordered them
to do. Savile' specialty were orphans. He was the embodiment of British Establishment.
The British Establishment has done with the concepts of honor. The loudest lying voices
against Russia belong either to the whoring "aristocrats," who found that war profiteering
(by any means) pays well, or the opportunistic parvenu like Gavin Williamson representing the
vulgarity and intellectual inadequacy of the Establishment.
the Senate is the eager, resourceful, and indefatigable agent of interests as hostile
to the American people as any invading army could be."
-David Graham Phillips, Cosmopolitan magazine, February 1906
and to think that was over a hundred years ago
they've only gotten better at it with time
if you read The Protocols, one thing that I remember was the contemptuous way it referred
to the goyim as having the minds and souls of beasts. Lumbering, mindless cattle, chewing
their cud in a kind of catatonic stupor.
what else can we conclude about the kind of people who would vote for Lindsey Graham or
John McCain? These guys get reelected again and again.
The saddest and most tragic thing about The Protocols is that the goyim seem to be as
accommodating to the Elders as any farm animal can be. At least a pig might be apprehensive
of the trip to the slaughter house. I remember a video where a pig jumped out of a moving
truck, and walked off. But the goyim suit up their children and hand them over as cannon
fodder, to be slaughtered on behalf of their enemies.
In the last century, there may have been an excuse for not knowing the nature of the ZUS
government, being as ((they)) controlled virtually every source of information.
But today it's all out there. Today everybody knows that all of these wars are for Israel,
at the direct expense of America's blood and treasure and (I won't say good) name.
And yet, (especially from the Christian churches) the call to suit up the young people to
die in more wars- slaughtering innocents – for our enemies, will resound in the
nation.
If I were a British soldier, told to kill some Russian soldier, because Putin is Hitler..
as my daughter languishes in a mental hospital, having been gang raped into a shell of a
human being, and my son was brutalized by a British aristocrat, but now I'm called up to kill
Russians in a contrived World War, to benefit the pedophile Peerage and their ((patrons)), I
don't know how I'd resist pointing that weapon away from the Russian, and towards England's
true enemies.
Like a gullible person I at first accepted that there was indeed some event that involved the
Skripals. Now I wonder if the entire thing was a scripted hoax, that nothing had hit them,
that it's all fake. It wouldn't be surprising. We seem to be in an age of rule by sociopaths
whose only compass is that of power and riches. The populations of our countries are being
hustled along for the benefit of the few. This can't have a happy ending for the majority of
people. The much vaunted democracy of the west looks like just a fixed shell game.
The little lie is more difficult because the veracity thereof may be observed. A large lie
or untruth is more difficult to observe. Such as what is visible from outer space is not
something anyone can falsify.
' doesn't this prove I was wrong about Trump and his movement all along?
I was very wrong to discount the role of character, personality, and intelligence: Trump
is simply not fit to be President '
Raimondo's reaction to Dump's incredible imbecility re the Syria 'chemical attacks
'
' A child could see through the fake "chemical attack" supposedly launched by Bashar
al-Assad just as his troops defeated the jihadists and Trump said he wanted out of Syria
'
Yes anyone watching that white helmets footage is immediately cringing for those poor kids
being abused as props in a macabre stage play
"More occupation and killing in Crimea "
-- Evidence? It seems that you are very upset that the Kagans' cookies did not deliver.
"One Year Later, Crimeans Prefer Russia:" https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-02-06/one-year-later-crimeans-prefer-russia
"How Crimeans See Ukraine Crisis:" https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/11/how-crimeans-see-ukraine-crisis/
"A Pew poll from April 2014 revealed that 91 percent of Crimean respondents believed
the referendum was free and fair, 93 percent had confidence in Putin, and 85
percent believed Kiev should recognize the results.
Another poll in June 2014, this one from Gallup , showed 94 percent of ethnic
Russians in Crimea thought the referendum reflected the views of the people and 68 percent
of ethnic Ukrainians in Crimea agreed . The poll found that 74 percent believed
that joining Russia would make life better.
A GfK poll from February 2015, sponsored by a pro-Ukrainian group in Canada, revealed
93 percent of Crimeans endorsed the referendum."
-- Still not enough for you?
"Ukraine [post-Maidan] under pressure from West over corruption:"
http://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2017/dec/07/ukraine-under-pressure-from-west-over-corruption-1721487.html
"Enough documents have been released -- citing coup-backed snipers killing dozens of
protesters, US embassy officials planning false flag attacks, extremists downing a passenger
airliner and NATO peddling falsified intelligence -- to make it very clear that the "coup" is
more of an invasion than anything else.
The term, roughly translated as Revolution of Dignity, was cooked up at the Jamestown
Foundation in Washington, well in advance of Victoria Nuland's assumption of the throne as de
facto "Queen of the Ukraine," lording over her subjects, playing the role of "donut
dollie."
The roots of the conflict in the Ukraine with thousands dead and the threat of, minimally, a
wider regional conflict, are attributable to extremist elements in the United States -- those
faces and voices seen and heard promoting the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the
supporters of ISIS/Al Qaeda in Syria -- and the cheerleaders of the continued genocide
against the Palestinian people."
"In 1950, the Nuremberg Tribunal defined Crimes against Peace, in Principle VI,
specifically Principle VI(a), submitted to the United Nations General Assembly, as:
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation
of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts
mentioned under (i)."
Bravo, indeed, Annamaria. Beautiful, perfect, resounding, harsh, unforgiving words for a
pair of worthless human vermin masquerading as civilised, intelligent professionals with a
moral compass.
The pair of them – and the entire wide set and grouping of their self-loathing,
White-hating racist political henchmen, hangers-on, groupies, freeloaders and Labour party
pirates and race traitors who have brought my nation to the brink in every possible way
should be publicly hanged and left to rot.
Better still that none of the Moslem-loving filth had ever been born.
"... The details of Skripal case are very entertaining, but not necessary for our understanding. The case was used to install in minds the connection between chemical poisoning and Russia. It is unfair, for Russians destroyed all their chemical poisons under the eyes of Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) inspectors, but life is often unfair. ..."
"... The attack had never occurred at all, but it was duly reported by the pro-Western media. Thus the game came to a close. Skripal Affair established the connection of Russia and chemical weapons, Eastern Ghouta allowed to use this connection in order to attack Russia. ..."
"... We should not overestimate importance of these media events. The leading Western powers and their media refused to consider different explanations, refused an open inquiry, they went for jugular. Russia has been demonised in 2018, like Germany was demonised in 1940. It was a long and cautious labour. Have a look at this site theday.co.uk -- it is a site for school children and their teachers. You'll be amazed to discover its fervent hatred of Russia and Putin being pumped into hearts and heads of young generation. Such a long planning can't be dependent on an event like poisoning of an ex-spy or even on the fall of a Syrian underground fortress. ..."
"... we prefer a more simple explanation: Jews are well integrated into Western elites, and they promote and support the goals of these elites. ..."
The diplomats' expulsion flabbergasted the Russians. For days they went around scratching
their heads and looking for an answer: what do they want from us? What is the bottom line? Too
many events that make little sense separately. Why did the US administration expel 60 Russian
diplomats? Do they want to cut off diplomatic relations, or is it a first step to an attempt to
remove Russia from the Security Council, or to cancel its veto rights? Does it mean the US has
given up on diplomacy? (The answer "it's war" didn't come to their minds at that time).
The astonished Russians responded all right. They also expelled 60 diplomats, and they made
it painful: all US diplomats engaged in the political department of the Moscow Embassy were on
the non-grata list. The Political department consisted of three sections, dealing with foreign
policy, internal Russian politics and military analysis; the most important centre of data
collection, of liaison with Russian politicians, of military consequences, of Syria and
Ukraine, of North Korea and China, experienced first-class intelligence officers and field
hands -- all gone, including their Political Officer Christopher Robinson (POL). The Russians
expelled Maria Olson, the Embassy's well-known spokesperson, and the Ambassador's interpreter.
They closed down St Petersburg Consulate, an important centre for connecting, influencing and
interacting with the opposition in this 'second capital' of Russia. The US has lost many of its
Moscow hands, people who knew Russia and had developed personal relations with important
Russians. It will take a lot of time and effort for the US State Department and intelligence
agencies to get back to the positions they had lost. The Brits who initiated the deportations
also lost about fifty of their Moscow Embassy staff.
Surprisingly, the mass deportation of so many Russian diplomats had little effect on the
Russian people, as this strike had been neutralised by another painful event, by the Kemerovo
Mall blaze killing 64 cinema-goers including over 40 children. The blaze, even if it weren't
arson (it has not been proven yet) had triggered a massive onslaught of fake news and internet
trolls on the people of Russia. A million underfed Ukrainians were deployed by the Western
psywar on the web to tell the Russians that hundreds of their children had been incinerated,
and that their authorities lie to them. This operation revealed the level of influence and
integration the Western spy agencies have in Russia.
Kemerovo was a good choice for the operation: it is the only ethnic-Russian region ruled by
an old-style local hero who had outlived his wits, the only region that reported indecently
(and unrealistically) high support for Putin in the recent elections, a depressive region of
mines and miners with a big potential for trouble.
Putin managed it rather well by coming personally and dealing with the situation hands on.
He learned the ropes since 2000, when, at the dawn of his first presidential term, the
Kursk submarine went down with all hands. Putin stayed away from the sailors'
families, and acted callous, people said. "It had sunk", Putin replied to the question "What
happened to Kursk ?" (It is said USS Memphis had fired a torpedo at the
submarine, causing the disaster, while the new president had been reluctant to aggravate
relations with Clinton Administration). Now, in 2018, he was very good, full of empathy and
consideration, conveying strength and decisiveness.
Whatever American agency carried out the psyop around Kemerovo, it was very successful, but
its success undermined another operation, that of the Russian diplomats' expulsion. The
Russians did not pay it sufficient attention.
The alleged reason for the expulsion, the poisoning of Sergey Skripal and his daughter, made
very little sense. Even if the old spy were bumped off by his erstwhile employers, such a
reaction would be excessive by all means. He was not a Napoleon (poisoned by the Brits 200
years ago), not a prince of blood, not a great inventor nor a successful spy. He was a retired
ex-spy, a wash-out. Anyway he didn't die, he was just sick for a while. Perhaps he ate
something in the pub that didn't agree with him. This is the opinion of his niece, Victoria,
who is the only person alive who had been in contact with the Skripals since their alleged
hospitalisation.
This affair is so obscure that it beats Rashomon anytime. Russian reporters went around
Salisbury and noticed many incongruences. It is not certain whether Skripals were poisoned at
all, and where they are. Their pets survived the deadly poison, and they had to be destroyed.
This piece of black Russian humour had been forwarded a lot around the net:
Skripal had been poisoned by a most powerful poison, 2 grams will kill half a country
instantly! The Russians
- poisoned him in the restaurant
- no, on the bench
- no, in the car
- No, the door handle was smeared
- No, the suitcase was poisoned
- No, everything in the house was poisoned.
- Oh, and buckwheat was poisoned,
- but they did not die instantly, but walked around somewhere for four hours,
- but the policeman that discovered them almost died on the spot,
- but the poison was instantly identified,
- an antidote was instantly introduced, and Skripals and the policeman were saved;
- The policeman had been discharged next day!
- But they were in coma, and they will never recover!
- but no, the daughter had recovered fast!
- Oh, and dad is revived a miracle!
- and they both are quickly recovering, your strongest poison is useless.
- the restaurant had been surrounded by police in spacesuits
- the park had been surrounded by police in spacesuits
- the house had surrounded by police in spacesuits
- they are in spacesuits, since the poison is deadly dangerous, but next to them are
policemen without protection
- The bench was cut down and removed: it's such a terrible poison that the bench retained
its toxic quality for two weeks;
- but the cat had survived in the poisoned house the policeman had touched Skripal and
nearly died, and the cat survived and the guinea pigs would survive, but they were all
forgotten, and died of hunger in the house;
- and their remains were immediately burned, as they are poisoned by the strongest
poison;
- For two weeks they were poisoned by the strongest poison and survived, and now they had to
be urgently cremated;
- Only guinea pigs died, the cat survived all this poison. It was stressful and hungry, so
they killed it and cremated to make it certain nobody will find the secret etc etc.
The true hero of Skripal saga is the British ex-Ambassador Craig Murray , who followed the
developments and unveiled many of its inconsistencies and outright lies. You may read his
articles and twits to learn the details.
Julia Skripal took a daring step: she called her cousin Viktoria in Moscow. Their
conversation is an amazing document. Julia says that she and her father are in good health;
she doubts Viktoria will be allowed to visit her. Indeed, the British government refused to
grant her visa. The feeling is that Julia is imprisoned.
I spoke with a retired Russian counter-intelligence officer who is familiar with the
subject. He told me Russia never had a Novichok toxic substance: this name was given by
counter-intelligence to A-232 in order to trace the leaks. It worked: a man called Vil
Mirzayanov, an administrator in the chemical labs, leaked the Novichok story, and thus he was
apprehended and arrested. A-232 had been produced in small amounts in 1990s, and some of it
could be stolen and sold in these horrible years, when a full colonel of Russian intelligence
had to moonlight as a taxi driver to supplement his measly $46 monthly salary. In those years,
the poison could be indeed made available, and in one case it was used by criminals.
Theoretically it is not impossible that some of this poison could have been saved and stored by
some criminals; alternatively, it was available to the Americans who dismantled the labs in
1992. Anyway we have no independent proof that Skripals were poisoned by anything at all. If
they survive, if the British and the American intelligence services don't kill them, perhaps we
shall know more. We can definitely exclude the possibility that Russian state agents would go
to Britain to poison an old spy who had been pardoned by Russian president years ago. Even if
he was active in producing Christopher Steele's Trump ("Golden Rain") file, the Russians would
have no compelling reason to kill him at all, and in such an odd way in particular. "If we
would kill him, he would stay killed", concluded my interlocutor.
The details of Skripal case are very entertaining, but not necessary for our
understanding. The case was used to install in minds the connection between chemical poisoning
and Russia. It is unfair, for Russians destroyed all their chemical poisons under the eyes of
Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) inspectors, but life is often
unfair.
The connection between chemical poisoning and Russia had been prepared for the forthcoming
event. Eastern Ghouta was an important and well entrenched location of the Syrian rebels. Being
within easy reach from Central Damascus, it provided the rebels with a chance to seize power in
the Syrian capital. As the Syrian army with Iranian and Russian support advanced into Eastern
Ghouta, they learned of the rebel plans to stage a false flag chemical weapon attack, as they
already had done a few times in past. President Putin warned of such a possibility at his joint
(with President Erdogan and President Rouhani) press conference in Ankara last week, a few days
before the alleged attack.
The attack had never occurred at all, but it was duly reported by the pro-Western media.
Thus the game came to a close. Skripal Affair established the connection of Russia and chemical
weapons, Eastern Ghouta allowed to use this connection in order to attack Russia.
We should not overestimate importance of these media events. The leading Western powers
and their media refused to consider different explanations, refused an open inquiry, they went
for jugular. Russia has been demonised in 2018, like Germany was demonised in 1940. It was a
long and cautious labour. Have a look at this site theday.co.uk
-- it is a site for school children and their teachers. You'll be amazed to discover its
fervent hatred of Russia and Putin being pumped into hearts and heads of young generation. Such
a long planning can't be dependent on an event like poisoning of an ex-spy or even on the fall
of a Syrian underground fortress.
The planners of a war on Russia have utilised fear of anti-Semitism for their purposes. I
called this method Anti-semitism Weaponised . Jeremy
Corbyn, the Labour leader, has been blocked and contained by accusations of anti-Semitism. He
was the only leader able to stop Britain's descent into war with Russia. Other Labour MPs and
activists have been attacked over alleged anti-Semitism issue, and -- what a coincidence! --
practically all of them were against demonising Russia; while Friends of Israel -- whether
Conservative or Labour -- were viciously anti-Russian.
This is a correlation that will be discussed at another time, but it is far from obvious
one. Russia has no anti-Semitism; the Russian president is friendly to Israel and to the
powerful Jewish Chabad movement. Russia
has no white nationalism, and little of the alt-right. However, this correlation exists. Shall
we explain it by Jewish hatred of the Orthodox Church, as this Church (active in Russia,
Greece, Palestine and Syria) hasn't been Jewified. Or should we prefer a more simple
explanation: Jews are well integrated into Western elites, and they promote and support the
goals of these elites.
However, people who can withstand accusations of anti-Semitism are the strongest enemies of
the ruling power; they stand against the war with Russia and against attack on Syria, as the
Haaretz newspaper explained in an article called
White Supremacists Defend Assad, Warn Trump: Don't Let Israel Force You Into War With Syria
. The article continues: "Alt-right calls Saturday's chemical attack in Damascus suburb a false
flag operation, claiming it's an effort by Israel and 'globalists' to keep U.S. troops in
Middle East" It quotes David Duke and other untouchables as the only people who reject Israeli
narrative.
Not being a white supremacist (probably I do not qualify) I still applaud these brave men
when they say and do the right thing. Sensitivity to anti-Semitism accusation is a strong
vulnerability of character. Though people like Corbyn have their heart in the right place, they
are weak on this point, and the enemy uses this weakness to neutralize them. There are people
in the left that are not afraid of any accusation, but there aren't many who are resistant to
metum Judaeorum .
Let us hope and pray we shall survive the forthcoming cataclysm.
We have moved way beyond the Skripals case now. Simply put, if US shoots in Syria, Russia
will shoot back this time, yes back at US. USS Donald Duck has been placed as a bait to be
sent to the bottom of Mediterrenain sea by the Russians, similar to Arizona et al at Pearl
Harbour.
Many dissenter websites are currently under attack by the cyber forces of the Western
regimes and Israel, one of them being this one. Another site under attack is my favorite
johnhelmer.com. In addition to saying that he is under attack, the current message from John
is:
WHEN THE RULE OF LAW WAS DESTROYED IN SALISBURY, LONDON AND THE HAGUE, AND THE RULE OF FRAUD
DECLARED IN WASHINGTON, THAT LEAVES ONLY THE RULE OF FORCE IN THE WORLD. THE STAVKA MET IN
MOSCOW ON GOOD FRIDAY AND IS READY. THE FOREIGN MINISTRY ANNOUNCED ON SUNDAY "THE GRAVEST
CONSEQUENCES". THIS MEANS ONE AMERICAN SHOT AT A RUSSIAN SOLDIER, THEN WE ARE AT WAR. NOT
INFOWAR, NOT CYBERWAR, NOT ECONOMIC WAR, NOT PROXY WAR. WORLD WAR.
The West is utterly bankrupt, morally as well as financially and we are experiencing the
Western remedial plan and actions – war!
"In 2016 an official British government inquiry determined that Bush and Blair had indeed
together rushed to war. The Global Establishment has nevertheless rewarded Tony Blair for his
loyalty with Clintonesque generosity. He has enjoyed a number of well-paid sinecures and is
now worth in excess of $100 million."
– The character of Blair and the Establishment is well established: Blair is a major
war criminal supported by the major war profiteers. His children and grandchildren are a
progeny of a horrible criminal.
What is truly amazing is the complacency of the Roman Catholic Church that still has not
excommunicated and anathematized the mass murderer. Blair should be haunted and hunted for
his crimes against humanity.
With age, Blair's face has become expressively evil. His wife Theresa Cara "Cherie" Blair
shows the same acute ugliness coming from her rotten soul of a war profiteer.
Keep in mind how long ago all this is:
Skripal was recruited around 1990 and arrested in 2004. Guess that the Russian attitude
towards Skripal took the chaos of the 90′s as mitigating circumstances into
account.
Skripal served his sentence of only 13 years till 2010 when he was pardoned and given the
option to leave. Russia did not revoke Skripal's citizenship. The UK issued Skripal a
passport too. On arrival in the UK Skripak was extensively debriefed by UK intelligence
services. Skripal has lived for 8 years in the UK now.
And now out of the blue this incident nicely dovetailing with May ratcheted up anti Russia
language only a few months before this false flag incident and the rapidly failing traction
of the Steele/Orbis/MI6 instigated Russia collusion story on the basis of that fake Trump
Dossier. By the way Orbis affiliated Steele and Miller have been among Skripal's
handlers.
Paul Craig Roberts is correct when quoting The Saker:
"The Russian view is simple: the West is ruled by a gang of thugs supported by an
infinitely lying and hypocritical media while the general public in the West has been
hopelessly zombified." -- The Saker
The "sir" Savile -- a vicious heartless pedophile and friend to many influential Brits --
was indeed the Establishment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile
Here are the facts:
"Savile was made a life member of the British Gypsy Council in 1975, becoming the first
"outsider" to be made a member.
Savile became a friend of Margaret Thatcher He reportedly spent eleven consecutive New Year's
Eves at Chequers with Thatcher and her family Letters released in December 2012 by the
National Archives under the thirty-year rule confirm the close friendship between Savile and
Thatcher.
In 1984, he was accepted as a member of the Athenaeum, a gentlemen's club in London's Pall
Mall, after being proposed by Cardinal Basil Hume.
Savile met Prince Charles through mutual charity interests, and Charles reportedly sent him
gifts on his 80th birthday and a note reading: "Nobody will ever know what you have done for
this country, Jimmy. This is to go some way in thanking you for that."
In the 1972 New Year Honours, Savile was appointed Officer of the Most Excellent Order of the
British Empire, entitled to append " OBE " to his signature.
In the 1990 Queen's Birthday Honours he was made a Knight Bachelor "for charitable services",
entitled to use the honorific prefix " Sir ". Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher had
made four attempts to have him knighted before succeeding in her final year in office.
Savile was honoured with a Papal knighthood by being made a Knight Commander of the
Pontifical Equestrian Order of Saint Gregory the Great (KCSG) by Pope John Paul II in
1990.
– There were more awards and prestigious memberships.
It was widely known that Savile was a vicious pedophile. Similar to Blair, Savile had been
protected by his powerful friends.
"Immediately after Savile's death, the BBC's Newsnight programme began an
investigation into reports that he was a sexual abuser. Newsnight also discovered that Surrey
Police had investigated allegations of abuse against Savile. There was no public mention of
the Newsnight investigation into Savile at the time there had been a cover-up by the BBC.
By 19 October 2012, police were pursuing 400 lines of inquiry based on testimony from 200
witnesses via 14 police forces across the UK."
"It is now known that Jimmy Savile sexually abused hundreds of children and women at the
height of his fame. Investigators believe the late Top of the Pops host preyed on around 500
vulnerable victims as young as two years old at institutions including the BBC's broadcasting
studios, 14 hospitals and 20 children's hospitals across England." https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline
Chemical false flag attacks is the traditional way Syria islamists are calling for the US air support. From comments: "After all
they had lost in Douma - there were no point in Syrian gas attack - the fighting was done. Jaish al Islam must be having a great
laugh at our expensive for falling for their trick of gassing their own people. Let us not help the Islamists."
Anther interesting comment: "With "experts" at president's disposal, seems to me moment Trump announced Syrian withdrawal, at
least one should have anticipated - based on past occurrences - a gas attack aimed to engage US and therefore maintain US presence."
And another " including their mouthpieces at the times manufacture
a chemical attack and claim Assad -- who has no reason whatsoever to do such things -- is some horrible monster that deserves to have
bombs rained down on him. How totally corrupt the MIC has become."
That act reported by White helmets looks like a classic MI6 provocation. Russian investigation has shown that no attack took place.
Moreover the rumors about this false flag were circulating long ago. Russians warned about this possiblity a month or so ago telling
the jihadists prepare such provocation. Looks like all that was needed for Trump is a plausible justification -- the desire to "decapitate"
Assad is too strong to resist.
Notable quotes:
"... Syria is a crappy place primarily because of insane overpopulation and limited water. Getting Assad out is not going to help with population or with water. Moving the entire Syrian population to Europe could be done and they are working on that. ..."
"... With "experts" at president's disposal, seems to me moment Trump announced Syrian withdrawal, at least one should have anticipated - based on past occurrences - a gas attack aimed to engage US and therefore maintain US presence. ..."
President Trump on Monday denounced the suspected chemical weapons attack that killed dozens of people in
Syria over the weekend as a "barbaric act," and said
he will make a decision in the next 24 to 48 hours about whether to retaliate militarily as he did to a similar assault last year.
Congress has skirted their responsibility to authorize war in Syria and Trump is suggesting taking actions that could drag
us into a deep and costly war. The American people deserve to hear this debated in Congress.
Retaliate? They don't even know for sure who it was, could well have been an ally. The place is a mess of competing outside
forces.
Retaliate - and therein lies the problem. Too much to ask that for once they think, discuss, decide a long term policy with
other countries. Last time the 45th tried 'me-big-man-with-bomb' there was no follow up, nothing was done, what was the point?
Look at me I have the biggest, noisiest fire cracker! Pathetic. Careless. Irresponsible. Uniformed. Murderous. The list is endless.
I suppose the President can launch a missile attack, or any military action, based on whatever authority from Congress permitted
the US military to be fighting in Syria in the first place. The more fundamental issue is that Congress long ago ceded to the
President its constitutional responsibility to declare war . This must be corrected with checks restored on the President's power
to deploy the military at will. Otherwise, the US will continue to be in a perpetual state of war, which may be good for the extended
military supply industry but damaging to country as a whole.
What if.....what if this chemical attack was sanctioned not by Assad but by a state or a non-state force that wants the U.S.
to retaliate?
Just why did this chemical attack follow Trump's announced desire to get out of Syria?
Why, also, is Israel urging us to attack now? Could it be to distract from the human rights catastrophe in Gaza?
We all know what John Bolton would have us do.
Where's the proof that this was Assad's work? More WMD ?
Trump wined and dined MBS of Saudi Arabia who has been conducting airstrikes on Yemen with hundreds of casualties, as high
as 68 civilian deaths in one day. It would be hard to imagine a better example of hypocrisy.
Syria is a part of a complex series of issues that make up the problem of Middle Eastern diplomacy. Trump does not have the
capacity to manage any of this. Selling arms to the Saudis to continue their war in Yemen added to the Syrian problem. The cholera
epidemic in Yemen is a form of biological warfare that is killing more civilians than chemical warfare in Syria. Starving the
population of Yemen is also warfare. By supporting the Saudis we have lost the moral high ground in Syria.
Was it the rebels again? Or is it chlorine again? Chlorine is used for several commercial and health purposes--to clean bottles,
to clean water, and for refrigeration. So it is quite easy for a bomb or explosive to hit a container and then there is a serious
gas problem. If pool acid and chlorine are stored together it might be worse when mixed. I do not believe Assad needs to use chemicals
because he has Russians who will do air strikes on his enemies. I call fake news.
The solution to Syria was obvious years ago, if you just wanted to see the obvious. And that was Syria as it had been for years,
in peace, secular, under a government of Assad who, eventually, knew it had to evolve into a more democratic regime . Now that
has changed, and all to Israel´s advantage. It seems as if the whole world has forgotten that the whole Middle East problem was
born, and is still the Occupation of Palestinian Land. Israel is a thorn in Arab Middle East.The only one that has attacked ALL
its neighbours !
We should do nothing. We need to leave Syria to the Syrian. We can't and musn't involve our military in every tragedy in the
world. There is no doubt in my mind that if we mistakenly and stupidly attack the Syrian Army we are aiding the Jihadist who planned
thit attack. After all they had lost in Douma - there were no point in Syrian gas attack - the fighting was done. Jaish al Islam
must be having a great laugh at our expensive for falling for their trick of gassing their own people. Let us not help the Islamists.
The US government LIES about everything. We know this. This has been proved repeatedly.
Yet, here we are with the US government, and its stenographers in the mainstream media, i.e., the stuff that's not Fake News,
right, assuring us that Assad gassed his own people. Again.
Even if we could believe this, or even if we gave the government the benefit of the doubt for . . . what? . . . its integrity?,
we are after all exceptional, right, how is this America's business?
Yes, other countries shouldn't gas their own people. But countries shouldn't commit war crimes either, and that goes on every
day. America is as dirty as any other country. Despite our treaty obligations, even torture is legal here.
We're supposedly the richest country in the world, but we can barely keep our streets paved and lit. And not only that, but
it is a proven fact that one dollar invested in domestic economics brings back much more return than one dollar spent on bombs.
Trump is right. We need to stomp the madness in the Middle East. The oil companies can pay for their own security with all of
the money they don't pay in taxes.
Right now our cities are clogged with people living in tents and defecating on the sidewalks and in the streets. Look at old
pictures from the Depression. It looks the same today.
The left is seeing Russians responsible for every wrong in the world. The right sees itself as the rescuer of the wrongs of
the world. I pray that this does not move this country into a war with Russia.
This nation needs a "policy". Something with careful thought and backed by facts, expert analysis, and wisdom; Aim first and
carefully.
A "Shoot from the Hip" flourish that can be touted at the next Trump self congratulatory ego rally Will Not Do. Either this
nation has a leader or it doesn't - Trump's move!
One of the few things I liked about Trump was his anti-involvement stance in the middle east. We have SO MUCH to fix and worry
about at home. Nothing that Trump does on immigration, environment, or anything else will make me more angry than dragging us
into another war.
I don't see any ink being given to the very likely possibility that the gas attack was a ploy by rebels to get the US (and
their air cover) to stick around. If you ask the question, "Who benefits?" the Assad regime had nothing to gain by gassing a few
civilians -- they're about to win the war, so why would they? OTOH, the rebels need us badly, and know that we will reflexively
blame Assad.
Just a few days ago, Trump talked about withdrawing from Syria. Now, he says he will decide whether to attack Syria within
the next couple of days. One day we're out, the next day we're in. And just a few days ago, Trump said he didn't like to reveal
his military plans in advance. Now, he is announcing to the world that he is consideration retaliation against Syria. His contradictions
make the U.S. look as if it is led by a very confused commander in chief.
Yes, chemical weapons are barbaric, but who launched the attack? Which faction in this complicated civil war? How does trump
know the answer to this question when no one else does? Why would the U.S. "retaliate" based on speculation, especially after
trump recently said, "we need to get out of there and leave it to someone else"? What good would military action do at this point?
Are we anxious to put our "expensive new military" to the test? So many questions...and an administration unable / unwilling to
answer them. Too bad trump can't simply tweet his way out of this one...
The U.S. should respond militarily to Syria's gas attack only on two conditions:
1. The leaders of all key U.S. allies (European countries, Canada, Japan, S. Korea, Australia, etc.) sign a joint declaration
of support for the action.
2. Each of these countries pays a population-weighted share of the expense of the U.S. military operation.
We are either all in this together, or it's not worth doing.
Let's find out if our allies are willing to back up their pious declarations of condemnation.
I don't get it. Subjecting people, women, children and even men, to crushing, burning, lacerating and penetrating wounds is
par for the course. It's war after all. But poison! Oh the (in)humanity!
Also, anyone think it's weird that Assad does this just when the US is making motions to pull out?
It is impossible to know what is really going on as the world's powers continue to fight this proxy war. The only thing that
is certain is the continued suffering of the Syrian people - including the poor sods who will be conventionally incinerated by
American "retaliation" in a day or so.
The President should have no authority to declare war or commit troops, period. So far, there has been no urgent "national
emergency," as required by the War Powers Resolution, which would justify the President to effectively declare war unilaterally
and yet here we are, with presidents on both sides completely ignoring the Constitution, using the WPA as an enabler to bypass
the text which says that only Congress can declare war.
Saddam used gas on the Iranians and we were good with that. It is not clear about this gas in Syria. These "freedom fighters"
have no compunction about using civilians as human shields. How do we know the truth? They are various branches of Al Quaeda and
given their huge birth rate they don't seem to place much weight on human life in the here and now....maybe they focus on the
afterlife more. So why can't we just leave Assad alone and let him be the strong man there? Yes Syria is a crappy place primarily
because of insane overpopulation and limited water. Getting Assad out is not going to help with population or with water. Moving
the entire Syrian population to Europe could be done and they are working on that.
Trump says he was getting us out of Syria. Much to my relief to this endless war.
And I'm pretty sure the president of Syria, Assad, whose regime has been under attack by both the US supported Syrian rebels
and their ISIS allies did not want the US on their soil. So why would he do something like this? I don't believe he did. By the
way if the US was not meddling over in the M.E. there would be no refugees and fewer immigrants.
"Conventional" deaths by artillery and bullets are perfectly acceptable - when bodies are vaporized, ripped and torn apart
unrecognizably. But use a deadly gas and leave the corpses in "beautiful" condition - there you have crossed the line mister.
Lemme get this straight: The US policy doesn't care *how many* Syrians were killed; it only cares *how* they were killed? Nothing
good can come from such an ethically bankrupt policy.
As painful as it is, the possession of chlorine is not in violation of the standards we all signed in to to stop chemical and
biological weapons. Hence, the agreement under Obama, by almost all standards, worked well. Or at least unless we wanted a few
hundred thousands troop on the ground to search the entire country. This use of chlorine is. Maybe Trump will propose a huge tariff
on chlorine exports to Syria?
What is the logic for Assad to provoke the US right after Trump announces his intention to withdraw? Would it not be more strategic
for the regime to hold off until US troops were withdrawn and then go after the rebels? Does Assad assume that the US response
will be more moderate if we still have troops in country? Any chance this was a rogue action to delay or reverse US plans to withdraw?
If so, who benefits from US continuing to maintain troops in Syria?
With "experts" at president's disposal, seems to me moment Trump announced Syrian withdrawal, at least one should have
anticipated - based on past occurrences - a gas attack aimed to engage US and therefore maintain US presence.
To
borrow from the British definition of an ambassador, United States military leaders are honest soldiers promoted in rank to champion
war with reckless disregard for the truth. This practice persists despite the catastrophic waste of lives and money because the untruths
are never punished. Congress needs to correct this problem forthwith.
General Joseph F. Dunford, Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, exemplifies the phenomenon. As reported in The Washington
Post , Dunford recently voiced optimism about defeating the Afghan Taliban in the seventeenth year of a trillion-dollar war that
has multiplied safe havens for international terrorists, the opposite of the war's original mission. While not under oath, Dunford
insisted, "This is not another year of the same thing we've been doing for 17 years. This is a fundamentally different approach [T]he
right people at the right level with the right training [are in place] "
There, the general recklessly disregarded the truth. He followed the instruction of General William Westmoreland who stated at
the National Press Club on November 21, 1967 that the Vietnam War had come to a point "where the end begins to come into view." The
1968 Tet Offensive was then around the corner, which would provoke Westmoreland to ask for 200,000 more American troops. The Pentagon
Papers and Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster's Dereliction of Duty have meticulously documented the military's reckless disregard
for the truth throughout the Vietnam War.
Any fool can understand that continuing our 17-year-old war in Afghanistan is a fool's errand. The nation is artificial. Among
other things, its disputed border with Pakistan, the Durand Line, was drawn in 1896 between the British Raj and Afghan Amir Abdur
Rahmen Khair. Afghanistan's population splinters along tribal, ethnic, and sectarian lines, including Pushtans, Uzbeks, Hazara, Tajiks,
Turkmen, and Balochi. Its government is riddled with nepotism, corruption, ineptitude, and lawlessness. Election fraud and political
sclerosis are endemic. Opium production and trafficking replenish the Taliban's coffers.
The Afghan National Army (ANA) is a paper tiger. Desertion and attrition rates are alarming. Disloyalty is widespread. American
weapons are sold to the Taliban or captured. ANA soldiers will not risk that last full measure of devotion for an illegitimate, unrepresentative,
decrepit government.
The Taliban also has a safe haven in Pakistan. A staggering portion -- maybe up to 90 percent -- of United States assistance to
Afghanistan is embezzled, diverted, or wasted. John Sopko, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR),
related to Chatham House in London that "SIGAR was finding waste, fraud, and abuse nearly everywhere we looked in Afghanistan --
from the $488 million worth of aircraft that couldn't fly, to the navy the U.S. bought for a landlocked country, to the buildings
the U.S. paid for that literally melted in the rain ."
"The Taliban are getting stronger, the government is on the retreat, they are losing ground to the Taliban day by day," Abdul
Jabbar Qahraman, a retired Afghan general who was the Afghan government's military envoy to Helmand Province until 2016, told the
New York Times last summer. ISIS has now joined the Taliban and al-Qaeda in fighting the United States. Secretary of Defense
General James Mattis conceded to Congress last June that "we are not winning in Afghanistan right now," but added polyannaishly,
"And we will correct this as soon as possible." Only two months earlier, the Defense Department insisted that dropping the Mother
of All Bombs on Afghanistan would reverse the losing trend.
Upton Sinclair sermonized: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding
it." Thus do military leaders deceive themselves about futile wars to extract more spending, to maintain their professional reputations
and public stature, and to avoid the embarrassment of explaining to Congress and the American people that astronomical sums have
been wasted and tens of thousands of American soldiers have died or were crippled in vain.
To deter such self-deception, Congress should enact a statute requiring the retirement without pension of any general or admiral
who materially misleads legislators or the public about prospective or ongoing wars with reckless disregard for the truth. That sanction
might have prompted General Dunford to acknowledge the grim truth about Afghanistan: that the United States is clueless about how
to win that war.
Bruce Fein was associate deputy attorney general under President Reagan and is the founding partner of Fein & DelValle PLLC.
Good institutions that limit cheating and rule violations, such as corruption, tax evasion
and political fraud are crucial for prosperity and development. Yet, even very strong
institutions cannot control all situations that may allow for cheating. Well-functioning
societies also require the intrinsic honesty of citizens. Cultural characteristics, such as
whether people see themselves as independent or part of a larger collective, that is, how
individualist or collectivist a society is, might also influence the prevalence of rule
violations due to differences in the perceived scope of moral responsibilities, which is
larger in more individualist cultures.
If cheating is pervasive in society and goes often unpunished, then people might view
dishonesty in certain everyday affairs as justifiable without jeopardising their self-concept
of being honest. Experiencing frequent unfairness, an inevitable by-product of cheating, can
also increase dishonesty. Economic systems, institutions and business cultures shape people's
ethical values, and can likewise impact individual honesty.
I described Gachter and Schultz's work in April 2016, and thought I could immediately see a
problem with the interpretation that the authors placed on the results. Putting forward a
different perspective took a few days. Getting that new approach published has taken 2 years.
For how long will researchers put up with these absurd delays which impede the prompt
assessment of arguments?
The authors of this very interesting study, having revealed the cheats, interpreted the
national differences as being due to cultural factors, particularly whether there were
institutions in each society which encouraged honesty. Of course, this leaves open why one
society would have such institutions and another would not. Culture must come from somewhere. A
reasonable hypothesis is that the institutions of a county are built by the people who live
there. Here is our reply:
Honesty, rule violation and cognitive ability: A reply to Gächter and Schulz
Heiner Rindermann, David Becker, James Thompson.
Intelligence, Volume 68, May–June 2018, Pages 66–69.
Our argument is that both institutions and honesty are determined by the intelligence of
people, and that bright people can see the long-term benefits of honesty and of institutions
that support honest behaviour. Any institution with a code of conduct leads its members toward
probity, and shows prospective applicants what standards are expected of them. However, those
institution do not arise randomnly.
Gächter & Schulz assumed that institutional rules affect individual honesty.
We added cognitive ability as further factor explaining national differences.
Stronger effect of IQ (total 0.55) than of rule violation (total −0.34) on honesty.
Stronger effect of IQ (total −0.68) than of honesty (total −0.26) on rule
violation.
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Abstract
Gächter and Schulz (2016) assumed an effect of institutional rule violation on
individual honesty within societies. In this reply we challenge this approach by including a
nation's cognitive ability as a further factor for cross-national variations in the
prevalence of rule violations and intrinsic honesty. Theoretical considerations,
correlational and path analyses show that a nation's cognitive ability level (on average
β = |.62|) better explains and predicts honesty and rule violation. While
institutional and cultural factors are not unimportant, cognitive factors are more
relevant.
The paper argues that there is a causal link between intellectual development and moral
awareness: the individual process of development represents an advance from cognitive
egocentrism to de-centered thinking, from ethical egocentrism to the consideration of the
interests and rights of others.
Cognitive ability seems to have the strongest causal effect on the honesty of a society:
The same pattern holds true if you assume that social levels of honesty intermediate
individual levels of honesty as shown by rule violation.
Either way, it seems that intelligence explains whether some societies cheat at games and
cheat in real life.
Society rots from top and doesn't matter who is at the top. It still remains valid even when
the so called least intellectually developed honest poor people get shafted for hundred of
years by so called high IQ nations who bring cheating,dishonesty,and violations of existing
laws and destruction of existing institutions without replacing them nationwide. Often these
newly created institutions are nothing but vehicle to whitewash the corrupting and corrupted
new system.
Public moral status has a lot to do with corruption at the top -both local and
international in these days of neoliberalism and post -colonization. It sounds painful and
hurtful though.
Interesting work! I am amazed academics have the patience to deal with such a long lag time
for letting arguments play out.
Is there any chance of you publishing a scatter plot matrix of the variables you used
and/or the data itself?
Do you have the correlation matrix for your variables? By any chance did you try single
and multiple variable models to try to predict rule violation from the other variables? It
would be interesting to see how much variance an assortment of those models explained.
Has anyone explored the idea of "cheater fraction" (analogous to smart fraction) to
explain dishonesty in societies?
It's an interesting question. Some years ago The Economist did a "European Honest Test "
leaving a wallet with a fair amount of cash in it (but also including clear contact details
of the owner), in capital cities around Europe.
The test was to see how many wallets were returned – and they found that the
Scandinavians returned almost all of them, and the Italians returned almost none – with
a clear North/South gradient in the results.
By coincidence, at about the same time, I found a wallet beside some rubbish bins with
€ 400 in it and some credit cards (one from my own bank). So on my next visit, I told
them about it and soon got a call from the owner ( a Spanish carpenter working in Germany).
His reaction was 1) to check that the money was still in the wallet 2) say that not many
people would return a wallet with € 400 in it 3) leave 2 bottles of wine at my front
gate.
I checked this reaction with my secretary at the time, and asked her what she would have
done, with the answer that it would be a "Regalo de Dios" (Gift of God), i.e. it was not
going to be returned to the owner, so there seems to be some anecdotal evidence for the
result.
China's position on the Intrinsic Honesty chart is puzzling both at the macro level
(remarkably honest, competent policy-makers) and at the individual level (above average IQ).
The Edelman Corporation, which has a lock on international surveys of personal and
institutional honesty has consistently found the Chinese to be among the most trusting people
on earth, as have World Values Surveys in their own, independent polls of the Chinese.
The source of the discrepancy appears to be the source of the data: "a n indicator of
political rights by Freedom House that measures the democratic quality of a country's
political practices; the size of a country's shadow economy as a proxy for tax evasion; and
corruption as measured by the World Bank's Control of Corruption Index (Supplementary
Methods)".
Relying on George Soros' Freedom House for information about China is akin to relying on
the neighborhood fox to keep an eye on your chickens while you go on vacation. Garbage in,
garbage out
I would rate Japan pretty high for getting things returned, but this ethic has eroded over
the past three or four decades.
Also, in the past you'd see adult males scolding unrelated misbehaving teens in public,
who'd slink away with their tails between their legs. This you do not currently see: men are
less masculine and assertive and some teens at least are more beligerant.
I think, David Perkins' findings about high IQ-people being also very tribal would make for a
nice addendum here, to better understand how IQ and honesty are related.
I refer to Jonathan Haidt's argument, that he bases explicitly on Perkins' findings, that
because of the tendency of high IQ-people to be even more tribal than the lower IQ ranks, ist
is so crucial, to understand with J. S. Mill's On Liberty (and I add: with Kant and
– – the Kantian Habermas' "Theory of Communicative Action"), that the core
achievement of modernity is the institutionalization of disconformation in the
democratic/liberal rational discourse and liberal public sphere (universities, the media,
etc.).
Here's Jonathan Haidt, referring to Perkins and Mill to make clear, how important the
institutionalization of disconformation actually is:
Correlation≠causation. Maybe honesty leads to brighter minds. Is it your knowing the right
answer that makes you follow it, or is it you looking at the situation, as it is, considering
evidence and proof, and getting the right answer through correct deductive reasoning, which
is then to be followed? You can't be honest and act ideologically, because by definition you
follow your observations of the world, not your ideas of the world. An honest person is bound
to direct observation, an intelligent person is not. Honesty is probably primary to an
accurate understanding of the world.
I think that 16 per cent is a bit arbitrary. In a class or caste dominated society you
might, if of a class which can choose to avoid countries, decide that it really doesn't
matter if your butler and housekeeper have to terrify the lower orders to stop them ripping
you off (and the butler and housekeeper have enough relations they want to place in
employment to keep them to the rules as to how much they cheat you).
I recently lost my wallet for a short time in a supermarket-plus-other-shops complex as I
wheeled my trolley to the car park. I thought my pocket had been picked so went to a nearby
poluce station to see if they could accelerate access to CCTV. Mr Plod was useless and
unhelpful. (Fortunately I didn't start cancelling credit cards immediately as he pretty well
demanded). Back in the shopping centre I was directed to a caretaker's office where a 30 ish
man of Pakistani origin had my wallet that had fallen out of my pocket as I went up a ramp.
He had taken the trouble to count the cash and wrap it separately with a note on it that the
amount was $915 or whatever. I never bothered to count it myself or even unwrap it for
several days. What does that say about the standard of civilisation in one of Australia's
biggest cities?
As anyone who has seen how inadequate religion is today to form moral young people may have
thought, the obvious starting point is to ask oneself how I bring up my children and what
moral rules I rub in (preferably by example as well as preaching). One knows children are not
going to be cunning ruthless sophisticates by nature – unless psychopaths – and
will not benefit from being taught to think immediately how they can get away with some theft
or lie. So you bring them up with rules which will help to make sure they are both trusted
and trustworthy – seeing you return the small amount of change over paid for exsmple to
rub in the message about rules they should still be obeying without thought when they have
children. Morality is about the customs of the tribe, its mores, and children are rarely done
any sort of favour by not being trained to be strictly moral (even if taught Christian
forgiveness, especially for the "poor in spirit"). However ..
It occurs to me that the place of intelligence in this may extend to what hss been called
Divergent Thinking (does this overlap with Lateral Thinking? Or imagination?)
A quick imaginative laterally thinking brain may think of several ways some dishonest
subterfuge may go wrong almost st the moment temptation arises. So honesty for him he quickly
concludes is the best policy. And so down the speculative path on which little evidence is to
be found. After all what is one to make of the arrogant lawyer that one reads about in the
big tax case who thought arrogantly he could get away with something and the Mr Plods of the
tax office would never sus him out and prove his wrongdoing to a court?
I was guided by my recollection of the modelling of neighbourhood crime risk, but it is a
sliding scale, I agree. I assumed, years ago, that at the 16-20% level one would begin to
notice a difference from base rate. See, in this particular example, Fig 2 and Fig 3
What does that say about the standard of civilization in one of Australia's biggest
cities?
It doesn't really say anything. You need some standardized parameters and a reasonable
sample size. Then you can draw some conclusions and assess the level of accuracy – like
The Economist did with their wallet test – quite a good experiment.
However , at the individual level, a continuing positive outcome would be the wallet owner
saying thank you, and being more inclined to return the favor one day.
It occurs to me that 5 per cent might be a horrible worrying prospect if you, as a lawyer
or doctor, thought it applied to the five or ten thousand you might come across as fellow
professionals in your city or state. But then it could be that you rarely gossip about others
and only regard as liars and cheats those who have done it to you (apart from the few who
have been busted for insurance fraud). Maybe 16 per cent sometimes fudge or fiddle something
but you don't know so you remain happily (and honestly) complacent, and proud of your
profession.
More intelligent people may be more adept at calculating the possible negative consequences
of personal dishonesty and they are likely to have more to lose. However, put them in a
corporate situation and no doubt they will be as gung-ho as anyone to figure out ways to rip
off customers.
I've lost a wallet once and then I was visited home by shop owner, who carefuly tracked
where I could live by using data from the wallet. She wanted nothing in exchange.
On university, I also was also given back a wallet once; I got back also a cellphone
(which was quite expansive at the time) I left somewhere few years ago.
OTOH once I left a wallet with cash at university and it was not returned.
So, here you are my anecdotal evidence from Poland: three wallets and one cellphone, one
time not returned, two plus one times returned.
More intelligent people may be more adept at calculating the possible negative
consequences of personal dishonesty and they are likely to have more to lose. However, put
them in a corporate situation and no doubt they will be as gung-ho as anyone to figure out
ways to rip off customers.
The purpose of the institution in question is to "figure out ways to rip off customers."
It's neither dishonesty nor cheating. The trick is not to have a culture that puts
corporate/employer concerns first.
Obviously smarter people are going to tend to be more moral; you need to
know what the fuck morality and ethics even are, and assess the circumstances, before
you can make your decisions. Retards can't even get to the point of making a decision. Stupid
people are great at missing the moral implications of their behavior. Smart people are the
ones who need to come up with rationalizations.
All "honesty" begins with the self. Lying to your self, about your self is the basis of
delusion and
in-authenticity. How can you know reality when reality is constantly reinterpreted to fit the
needs of a run-away ego ?
The general point, that intelligence is linked to long term thinking seems sound to me.
Dishonestly is often about immediate gratification: a question of gaining or avoiding
immediate pleasure/displeasure. Honesty is a strategy that "pays off" over the long term.
Honesty, or truth telling (in so far as one can) is also a factor in an Honour culture. The
liar is a "base" person, a person who has no sense (or no care about) their own social (self
conscious) standing. Honesty also has a close correlation with such things as "loyalty",
"promising" etc.
Oh yes !
That's the joy of the corporate structure: no one is responsible. EVERYONE acts because they
"owe" obligations to another. (Executives to higher executives; Higher executives to the
Board; the Board to Shareholders) Personal, moral responsibility becomes entirely lost in
this deliberately confected ethical melange. The Large organisation is the perfect
environment for crafting crimes safe from individual consequence.
It says you are damn lucky. If I had $ 915 in my wallet I'd super-glue the damn thing to
my chest. Rather lose a couple layers of skin than that kind of dosh.
Self honesty is a long tortuous process.
Ideology is a relief: it removes the constant anxiety of needing to "question".
Science is -- should be -- the strictest form of public honesty.
Its frightening how many reports we so often get now about the systemic "dishonesty" in the
scientific realm. (Dishonesty driven usually (not exclusively) by the demands of corporate
profits)
Sublime opportunism, entwined inside collective incentives, converges into supreme ethics,
moral behaviour.
Sadly, the convergence is beyond the gradients of our elites.
The why of hard-wired human elites as are, cannot transcend to long term survival strategies,
and society resembles a chicken coop.
To add another factor randomly, embedded into the above, it does not matter, how
intelligence plays out between individuals, because individual opportunity feeds back into a
pool of extended family, group, tribe, waves of culture and ad-hocs, lastingly and durably
not encased in cognitive ambition, itself a consequence of cognitive genetic effort. Colleges
and universities worldwide are a better example of petty games.
The "truth" and other concepts of "honesty" are a psychological, relative variant,
depending on context. The agnostic concept of real and it's pursuit is unknown to our
archaic, analogue brain without the preposition of a limited context, opportune in the
now.
I would be interested in how honesty was explicated. And the valuation of cross cultural
rules that note the value of said rule equally across cultures. Now perhaps, these are fully
layed out in the study, but I was unable to access the sight provided.
I would also be interested how the study rated honesty as a national value. Thus far the
model looks to be applied by survey data. As I was reading I kept thinking of the multiple
national scandals in which dishonesty played a central role. Once one figures out the
definition and meaning of what constitutes honesty among individuals and or societal groups
as agreed upon by those groups, then a model of measuring said honesty is built. This is
essential because the article indicates that the difference in variable is largely cultural.
So I have to conclude that a standard was established that recognizes what honesty is across
cultures.
Because even withing culture, honesty varies. If intelligence is the key demarcation than
one would expect those groupings with supposedly higher intelligence to have a higher degree
of honesty. But again, even withing culture an agreed upon understanding of honesty is
required.
Assuming intelligence matters to some set post of morality, in this case honesty -- could the
model replicate supposed intelligence to honesty withing a given system in which the rules
are more readily identifiable and agreed upon. Assuming that the students at the US military
academies rank higher in intelligence than say the students at any comparable sized
university would the students among the military academies rank higher or lower as to the
being or practicing honesty. Considering the value placed on meritocratic institutions such
as Harvard when measuring that intelligence grouping demonstrate a higher degree of honesty
than a comparable public university.
Assuming we agree what the rules are,
"The paper argues that there is a causal link between intellectual development and moral
awareness: the individual process of development represents an advance from cognitive
egocentrism to de-centered thinking, from ethical egocentrism to the consideration of the
interests and rights of others"
it could be interesting whether said tested data is measuring awareness verses
adherence.
Here are a bare list of some developed nation's honesty issues regarding rule
adherence.
Again assuming that the players agree on what the rules are across countries or cultures a
comparison of honesty across varying fields as to scandals and or practices might tell us
something regarding the impact of intelligence to honesty across said cultures.
Found the article interesting and just expressed to thoughts on the read.
Well, I'll speak (honestly) from the other perspective.
I used to ride my bike of a Sunday morning on a scenic route that boasted a few first
class restaurants. Twice I found wallets lying on the pavement just downstream from these
establishments. Apparently, the owners, a little tipsy, had set their wallets on top of their
cars while they fumbled for their keys and then drove off.
The first I took to the local police station. The second I took home and called the owner
(who lived in Canada) using their credit card number to pay for the call and left a message
reassuring her that her wallet (and money) was safe and sound, not to worry (because I knew
she would, having lost it outside her home country). I didn't want to take it to the police
because I figured they'd begin to suspect me of stealing the wallets if I kept showing up
with them.
She and her husband drove down to a prearranged place to meet me for the return. She was
very grateful.
The owner of the first lost wallet called me and asked if they could donate $100 in my
name to my favorite charity.
Another time I found a perfectly nice fleece-lined, leather aviation jacket lying in the
road just outside a golf course. Luckily there was a receipt from his fee for 18 holes in the
pocket. I called him and arranged to return the coat. We met. He treated me as though I had
stolen the jacket from his car. Not so much as a thank you.
I don't know if I'm inclined to honesty because I'm bright, it's just that I've lost my
wallet in the past and it's such a pain in the butt that I feel sorry for anyone who shares
that fate. Credit cards, ID etc. the money is the least of it.
"Good institutions that limit cheating and rule violations, such as corruption, tax
evasion and political fraud are crucial for prosperity and development."
I'd argue that these institutions derive from a well-functioning, high-trust society and
are rarely a catalyst for more honesty in other societies.
As for the connection to intelligence, look at India and China to test your
hypothesis.
"Another time I found a perfectly nice fleece-lined, leather aviation jacket lying in the
road just outside a golf course. Luckily there was a receipt from his fee for 18 holes in the
pocket. I called him and arranged to return the coat. We met. He treated me as though I had
stolen the jacket from his car. Not so much as a thank you."
TC, yep. I found a wallet stuffed with cash and credit cards on the campus of our local
state university. A campus policeman was nearby so I turned the wallet over to him. He
cautioned me that people who recover lost or abandoned property are sometimes blamed by the
owners of that property for any real or imagined loss, damage, or inconvenience to the
owners.
My rough rule of thumb is that if the property can be readily linked to an owner, I return
it. If not, and the property has trivial value, say under USD $100, it's a judgment call.
Found a few bottles of liquor, seals unbroken, in a trash can. Kept them. Found an untagged
but well-kept dog once, which I judged to have strong sentimental value to its owner, so I
placed an ad in a local newspaper, got a response, and returned the dog. His children were
very grateful.
The Gachter experiment on rule violation is based on die throwing in sterile experimental
conditions where the financial incentives are trivial and more seriously there are no
competition between the participants and there are no mechanism to identify specific
individual cheating and no resulting blemish to ones' reputation. So how much of that are
relevant to real life situations?
Real life cheating data where there are great advantage to be gained and also with
consequences that might affect ones future are more appropriate to be studied. One aspect of
the OECD TALIS project dealt with real life cheating in 8645 schools and over 100K? teachers
globally,
Table 2.20.Web. School climate – Frequency of student-related factors
(cheating)
Percentage of lower secondary education teachers whose school principal reports that the
following student behaviours occurred 1 Never, 2 Rarely, 3 Monthly, 4 Weekly, 5 Daily in
their schools.
Answers 3, 4 and 5 are considered to be serious indicator of cheating in schools. With the
intention to mash the TALIS data with the PISA 2012 data, the primary school data were
excluded.
Many popular pre-conceived ideas about cheating in schools were not proven by the data. In
fact considerable efforts were needed to find any significant statistical trend. For example
at the national levels cheating were not correlated to the average PISA scores,
fraction of top or bottom PISA scores, teachers' practice of spliting the class to teach and
to test part of the class differently, etc.
The factor that show statistical significance is the proxy factor for competition or
meritocracy. Countries have adopted various shades of "no child left behind" policy and that
is reflected in the age profile of the class. In country that practice strict "no child left
behind", the students are automatically promoted to the next grade in the next academic year
regardless of the ability of the students with the results that the student will be exclusive
of the same 'academic age'. When meritocracy is practiced, poorly performing students might
have to repeat the same grade one or more times resulting in 'academic age' distribution in
class. Since the PISA project has data of percentage of 15 yo for that grade, the idea can be
tested. To be polite, the marked datapoints are not labelled. Two countries separated by a
narrow channel can have drastically different cheating levels.
The school cheating levels is statistically significant to be linearly dependent on the
percent of the 15 yo in class. The levels of cheating is dependent on the level of
meritocracy practiced. With automatic promotion to the next academic grade there is little
need for the students to cheat. The governments are doing the cheating instead. The
out-criers of cheating in other countries do not realized that they are in countries with
lesser meritocracy.
The paper argues that there is a causal link between intellectual development and moral
awareness: the individual process of development represents an advance from cognitive
egocentrism to de-centered thinking, from ethical egocentrism to the consideration of the
interests and rights of others.
This is what Jean Piaget concluded from his studies of Swiss children. He believed that
empathy was an integral part of a child's intellectual development. It doesn't follow,
however, that there is some kind of genetic linkage between intellectual capacity and the
capacity for empathy. These are two different mental traits. It's more likely that the same
selection pressure that favored an increase in intellectual capacity also favored an increase
in the capacity for empathy.
It's impossible to build an advanced society unless most of its members have a high
capacity for both intelligence and empathy. On an individual level, however, high
intelligence can co-exist with low empathy. There have been many cases of ruthless sociopaths
who are very intelligent and yet totally self-centered. Such people can be very successful as
long as they aren't too numerous. Otherwise, they'll destroy the very society that makes
their existence possible.
An advanced society requires a combination of high intelligence and high empathy, although
this may come about in different ways. In northwest Europeans, a high intellectual capacity
co-exists with high capacities for guilt proneness and affective empathy. In East Asians, a
high intellectual capacity co-exists with high capacities for cognitive empathy and
pro-social behavior. In other words, there is more emphasis in East Asian societies on
learning correct moral rules.
I am not following the credit gift of empathy to East Asians, or the connection of
morality and intelligence to the obeying of complex rules, because of the stolen oranges in
the Book of Rites and the counterfeit antiques that impressed the Emperor. The Chinese
literally explain how to lie in their moral teachings. "Lying" is right there among the
morality-guaranteeing complex rules. There are examples in the Talmud I will not specify, or
regard as unreasonable, but I will note that nobody saw the Talmud as less than a downright
complex system of rules. Some African tribes have rules so stringent (eg, no wet dreams) that
nobody could possibly obey them. If anything I would expect that systems of compelled
obedience to complex rules guarantee dishonesty. The only alternative is Billy Budd getting
the captain to take his side.
What I would start with is power. In China, even in periods of decay or civil war, power is
always centralized to a degree only approached in Europe by a few temporarily competent
monarchs, and with an effectiveness that has never been accomplished in Europe. I think this
and not math scores or cheap shoes is the basis of the elite adoration of the Han. The man
who observes that a cow is not a nightingale, or that two and two are four, when the opposite
is being claimed by an officer of the government (be it communist, imperial, or partisan) is
an idiot. He, and probably his family, maybe his hamlet, will be exterminated with efficiency
the European Enlightened Despots could only dream of. Truth, insofar as it is objective, is
the hair of Liberty. It cannot exist at all except in the empty space left by the rolling
back of power. The trick here is embracing negativism instead of falling into the
positivistic trap. We in the West accidentally stumbled across Liberty and Truth and Science,
not because we are good, objectively not because we are smarter, but because we just couldn't
get that mandate of heaven thing together, despite the unambiguous desires of numerous
monarchs. I predict that this will be an unpopular answer but it will not go away.
(but the Japanese are massively more ethical than the Chinese. Yeah. And they are also all
but European, especially in a lot of their political history. They dreamed of imitating
Chinese centralization but never came close.)
Also, how soon can we expect an update to that graph, now plotting IQ (or PISA, or tetris
scores, etc) against something like the Transparency Index? Apologies if this has already
been done and I missed it.
What can we learn about ourselves from the things we ask online? US data scientist Seth
Stephens‑Davidowitz analysed anonymous Google search results, uncovering disturbing
truths about our desires, beliefs and prejudices
Have no idea where the data come from, but scandals with Dutch politicians seem to increase
all the time, most with Rutte's VVD.
Condemned politicians for fraud etc., a novelty.
But until now just one behind bars.
But about honesty, our prime minister Rutte is nicknamed Pinocchio for his lies.
The VVD quickly rid itself of the chairman Keiser, who manipulated himself into possession of
the crematoria of the organisation he advised.
The Dutch tax authority presented him with a claim of € 12 million, our FIOD, the
authority for fiscal crimes is investigating him.
Condemned business men for fraud, more than we like.
Even the former Philips CEO Boonstra was condemned for trade with foreknowledge.
Solicitors also are not above suspicion any more.
At the recent municipality elections measures were applied to prevent criminals being
elected.
Unreliable policemen, also a novelty, the first serious conviction was a short time ago,
he sold information from police data bases to criminals.
How he was not discovered earlier, unbelievable, police salaries are insufficient for driving
Porsches.
Catholic bishop Fulton J. Sheen said it best: "It is much easier for an educated person to
rationalize evil".
All one has to do is look at abortion supporters who insist that abortion merely removes "a
clump of cells", when they damn well know better, that it is HUMAN LIFE that they are
destroying.
The old "ends justifies the means" excuse also comes into play, which is used by communist
societies to purge millions of those who oppose them, not unlike the purges in the old Soviet
Union, China, Cuba, and other communist "paradises".
I would state that it is easier for an educated person to rationalize evil–this
including dishonesty
Do I detect a matter of class? The golfer seems not to have been a gentleman belonging to
a golf club where proper behaviour was de rigeur, very likely passed from father, uncle and
club pro to son. The sort of chap who pays green fees could be a wannabe upwardly mobile
agent for subdivided swamp land
PS I gave up golf after my father died 20+ years ago. Not so much that I couldn't match
his ethical standards but that after two heart attacks and hip replacements he was still a
scratch golfer and all I could do was occasionally outdrive him if my slice or pull
allowed.
1. Perhaps smart people are just better at not getting caught?
2. Overall, there is one major factor in the honesty of a society, and that is poverty.
When an overpopulated third-world society is crushed into misery, when people cannot earn a
half-way decent living – or indeed, any living – through honest effort,
eventually they come to cheat. This has been demonstrated in all cultures and all races.
Does integrity promote prosperity? Surely. But the reverse is if anything more powerful:
poverty promotes corruption and nepotism. For people to behave honorably, yes there must be a
culture of this, but it must also be the case that behaving honorably is not cutting your own
throat. Because few people are saints.
"Found a few bottles of liquor, seals unbroken, in a trash can. "
Dumpster-diving is a different thing than keeping lost goods. I think you're *morally* in
the clear, there, even if sorely lacking in judgement. This doesn't seem very wise. Did it
not occur to you that they were probably in the TRASH for a reason? Probably not poisonous or
anything, since the seals were on. Probably some alcoholic decided to quit drinking. But do
you want to take the chance that this wasn't a bootleg batch full of lead? Obviously the
answer was yes. Your butt, I reckon
We have been flooded here at the University of Chicago by Mainland/Communist Chinese
students. There are lots of accusations that the Chinese Communist government assists these
students by cheating, getting other English language proficient students to take the English
part of the SAT tests.
There appear to be lots and lots of Mainland Chinese/Communist China students here who
supposedly aced the English SAT test but can't seem to speak English.
"like The Economist did with their wallet test – quite a good experiment."
But, The Economist is hardly a bastion of truth. I would tend to dismiss their entire
story of the wallet experiment as a fabrication, having caught their writers in so many
lies.
But certainly that accounts for the fact that politicians are dull, ignorant, dissemblers
at best.
In many governments the candidates for the highest stations are above the law; and, if
they can attain the object of their ambition, they have no fear of being called to account
for the means by which they acquired it. They often endeavour, therefore, not only by
fraud and falsehood, the ordinary and vulgar arts of intrigue and cabal; but sometimes
by the perpetration of the most enormous crimes, by murder and assassination, by rebellion
and civil war, to supplant and destroy those who oppose or stand in the way of their
greatness.
Honesty to me seems a cultural phenomenon.
Once people get away with dishonesty, others think 'why not me ?'.
The Dutch erosion, in my recollection, already began in the seventies, with leftist
people, at the time social democrats.
It was said then 'thinking left, filling pockets at the right'.
People as my father, life long socialists, left the party in great numbers.
It took a long time for THE socialist party, PvdA, to disappear, until the last parliamentary
elections.
The self destruction had much to do with EU support, socialism is at odds with globalisation,
even within the EU.
Few in the USA will have followed all the French scandals before the last presidential
elections.
Even Macron was accused of not declaring all his possessions.
And indeed, I also cannot understand how he spent or lost the millions he got while working
for the Rothschild bank.
Another well known politician, presidential candidate, cannot now remember the name,
disappeared after gifts for suits for some € 50.000 were published, there was also a
very expensive watch, the job his wife had, what she in fact did, nobody understands, and the
temporary jobs for his children.
When one sees the small castle where the family lives one understands that he could not buy
his suits himself.
Now at last there seems to be sufficient proof against Sarkozy.
Now many French presidents were persecuted after their immunity ended, when they no longer
were president.
But the frauds etc. they seem to have perpetrated seem worse and worse, in the Sarko case,
intimidating a judge, among other things.
When Hollande will be persecuted, I wonder.
He had a reputation for sacking editors in chief.
Ask Ghandi, alas he does not live, when Britain was an ethical country.
Just a few years ago, in BBCW Hard Talk, I saw an Indian minister getting quite angry 'the
British did not have to teach the Indians anything'.
Cindy, both gut and butt survived my "rescue" hooch. I did some due diligence: examined
the bottles, carefully tasted the contents, etc. My guess was a domestic quarrel in the
parking garage over the high-end vodka and liqueurs, perhaps over someone's drinking problem,
and the quarrel was settled by chucking the booze.
" . . . [S]orely lacking in judgment." Not really. My judgment turned out to be okay,
because I was informed by the totality of the circumstances and then made my call. Had the
booze been low-end stuff found in an unfamiliar location, etc., I might have judged
differently.
BTW-I didn't dumpster-dive. The booze was clearly visible at the top of the trash can.
How did they measure such 'honesty index' ?
Placing 100 wallets in a park and observe how many are returned to the owners ?
But when the anglos lie, they always lie big time !
Goebel famously oberved .
The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one
should stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous
Waging wars by false pretexts surely is the highest form of duplicity ?
They dont call them perfidious albions for nuthin you know !
How does the author explain the link between the supposed highest IQ group – the Jews,
and their reputation for utmost dishonesty, greed and lust throughout history? Same goes for
the Chinese.
Propensity for Honesty is the biggest reason why we need to restrict immigration from low
trust cultures, i.e. all 3rd world countries. It's why they're 3rd world, because they are
low trust, everyone is dishonest from the top down, the few honest ones are called "stupid"
and get ripped off left and right. The more we import from these cultures, the more dishonest
our society will become, this includes all of Asia, Latin America, Middle East, Africa,
Southern & Eastern Europe esp. Russia. The only truly honest people in the world are
Northwestern Protestant Europeans, and maybe the Japanese. All other groups are
dishonest.
Interesting work? This article is a pure misuse of statistics, a fabrication and a classic
work of evil minded Eurocentrist attempting to give a new lease of life to their declining
rotten Eurocentrism in facing of the rising progressive, peaceful, and pragmatic East.
Look at the graph, its racist Eurocentrism is glaring, all the Western nations are on the
good side while rest of the world on the bad side. History has shown all those on the good
side are liars, cheaters, murderers, bandits, and pirates, while those on the bad side are
the victims of those perpetrators on the good side. The missing of the USA in the chart makes
this article an unapologetic white supremacy lie.
To study the link between brightness and honesty, it should pull data from the same pool
of population who are in the same environment, i.e. within a nation, then we even can study
whether cognitive ability, intellectual development, moral awareness, culture factor, and
institutions have any effect on honesty and their relationships.
Besides in spite of being bright, and having cognitive ability, intellectual development,
moral awareness, culture factor and strong institutions, the West still bombs, kills and
waterboards others on the fabricated phantom allegations as humanitarian intervention without
showing remorse; and recently the West lied about the poisoning episode in UK, and brought
the world to the edge of anther world war crisis, those evidences prove the Western societies
are not honest despite the qualities they processed as prerequisite for honesty, it seems it
proves the West is either hypocritical or innate psychopathic.
Ask Ghandi, alas he does not live, when Britain was an ethical country.
Exactly. What a pack of criminals. They were much worse and for a longer period of time,
than what they accused the Nazis of doing.
Churchill refused to divert supplies away from already well-supplied British troops at
the same time he allegedly blocked American and Canadian ships from delivering aid to India
either. Nor would he allow the Indians to help themselves: the colonial government forbade
the country from using its own ships or currency reserves to help the starving masses.
Meanwhile, London pushed up the price of grain with hugely inflated purchases, making it
unaffordable for the dying and destitute. Most-chillingly of all, when the government of
Delhi telegrammed to tell him people were dying, Churchill allegedly only replied to ask
why Gandhi hadn't died yet.
If all this is true -- and documents support it -- then Winston Churchill may well
have starved to death as many innocent people as Stalin did in the Ukrainian genocide.
Could the man who held out against Hitler really be capable of such an atrocity? Judging by
the rest of this list, it wouldn't be surprising.
I cannot play golf without committing a certain amount of larceny. In my mind a mulligan
is a reasonable option to excuse a particularly poorly played shot. And I have been known to
sweeten my lie on the not rare occasion, which, of course, is a form of lying.
I have often wondered if my ease at dishonesty on the links might suggest a propensity
towards darker deeds?
And don't even ask me about gimme putts. That for sure must reflect a lower
intelligence!
Who decides who cheats or being dishonesty? Is misleading advertising cheating? Is empty
campaign promises cheating? Is abusing legal loopholes cheating? Is putting one's
self-interest ahead of the ones they supposed to serve cheating? Is price fixing cheating?
Are cartels of all kind cheating? Are selective reporting, wrongful labelling, and spreading
ideology cheating? . . .
Mind you, the people involved in the above activities are all bright, well educated,
intelligent, having strong institutions, within well-functioning societies, and a sense of
moral responsibilities too, would they be more than 16% in the western societes?
The assumptions behind this are so fragile and unsupportable.
Honesty, as with most of the Judeo-Christian values, largely serves to keep the compliant
majority self-correcting while the predatory and parasitic top and bottom of society maintain
a more productive relativistic approach – long term dishonesty for the elites, short
term dishonesty for the undesirables. In-group honesty is always far more valued than
universal honesty – whether you're talking about stockbrokers or Romani.
The most intelligent in any class or group are far more likely to utilize dishonesty when
it best serves their needs. To do otherwise would be a clear sign of lack of
intelligence.
The idea that intelligent people are more likely to see the purpose of honesty in the long
term is not only an unsupportable assumption, it's also ignoring the countless undeniable
historical instances of intelligent leaders deploying adaptive fictions to achieve positive
social goals (anything from religion to the concept of inalienable rights).
Anyone who uses the phrase "speaking truth to power" can absolutely be counted upon to be
utterly dishonest when that power comes knocking.
As a boy I had the privilege to attend a Catholic grade school. Part of the education was to
go to confession. Admitting to a third party your wrongs, is very powerful. Forgiving the
past frees one. Being truthful builds character, and getting over the past is a blessing. It
was a struggle to be totally truthful all the time. As a mid to late teen, I fell away from
Catholicism.
In my early twenties I came back to believing that truthfulness is the best policy. I
attribute that to the Catholic culture and the confessional. I would not say that it was my
intelligence that led me.
Confession has nothing to do with honesty; it breeds psychopath, unrepentance,
irresponsibility and repeat offending. The churches use confession to cleanse perpetrators'
sins, so the perpetrators can repeat their crimes without moral burden; this is not
hypothesis, history bear witness of such fact. This is the trait of the Western culture, it
reflects in all aspects of the westerners' behaviour. Most common expression of such morally
defunct mentality is that the western governments and officials have no trouble to apologize
the wrongs they have done, but they keep on doing the same wrong over and over again after
apologizing. The Native Americans are the most abused victim of such morally defunct
practice.
The churches use confession to recruit and dominate its members (mentally colonized
serfs), expand their domains. Confession is one of the most effective mechanisms that corrupt
the basic decency of humanity.
Adam Smith apparently had their number when he was alive. It seems that little has changed
in the quality of politicians between the 19th and 21st centuries. If anything, today's
politicians are even more dimwitted and venal. The average Congress member is a moron, and
nearly inarticulate in unscripted speaking.
I really enjoyed reading Henry Mencken's observations on political campaigns of the early
20th century. He also seemed to enjoy making those observations as well. It comes through in
the way he describes the candidates.
The government of the UK seems completely unconcerned with ethics, in the same way the US
government is. Most members of both governments seem, to me, to be morally retarded.
Flash! Flash! Flash! Stop the press. This is not yet 1st April.
Currently there are a lot of news about cheating in sports, e.g. cricket. Out of a whim
the relationship of sports with academic cheating is tested. The OECD PISA project has data
on the percentage of students who exercise before or after school PctExercise, and
PctCheatRpt=+1.044*PctExercise-46.25; #n=29; Rsq=0.234; p=0.007889 ** (V Sig)
It is very statistically significant that PctExercise is positively highly correlated
to academic cheating. The effect is more than double that for the other percentage
variables whether they are statistically significant or not. If students spend too much time
on tracks and fields and little time at home studying the results can easily be inferred. Now
you know those loud mouths screaming about cheating in another countries and that the
students there spend too much time studying, they are on average themselves doing most of the
academic cheatings and they might be trying to divert attention away from them.
To be fair, the situation for the nerds should also be checked. The OECD PISA has data on
the percentage of students who have more than 4 hours per week of off-school maths tuition
PctMathTuitGt4hr,
It is statisticaly not significant. What about those academically very competitive, the
percentage who wanted to be the best PctWantBest,
PctCheatRpt=-0.445*PctWantBest+54.07; #n=29; Rsq=0.222; p=0.009944 ** (V Sig)
It is statistically very significant that PctWantBest negatively correlated with
cheating, i.e, on average the more academically competitive they are the lesser they will
cheat.
It is intuitively that most self-confident students will not cheat. The OECD data can be
transformed and normalized into confident quotient CQ similar to the IQ scale where CQ ≥
115 is considered to be over-confident. However,
Most common expression of such morally defunct mentality is that the western governments
and officials have no trouble to apologize the wrongs they have done, but they keep on
doing the same wrong over and over again after apologizing.
Amen!
What's even worse is the goofy idea that one is automatically "forgiven" if s/he's a
"believer." It's the works vs faith idea. Some of those people feel free to break every rule
in the book (even the 10 supposedly written in stone) with complete impunity.
Those people routinely engage in behavior that's as disgusting as those from the the tribe
who think they're "chosen."
G-wd's special ones, goy and non-goy, are forgiven in advance I guess.
If anything, today's politicians are even more dimwitted and venal. The average Congress
member is a moron, and nearly inarticulate in unscripted speaking.
True.
I think much the same could be said for all hierarchical systems and that includes
religious as well as academic ones. I've always been as much amused as amazed at how
dimwitted and venal priests and professors usually are.
Rereading this reaction comes to mind
Edward W. Said & Christopher Hitchens, ed., Blaming the Victims, Spurious scholarship and
the Palestinian question', 1988, London
How did these two 'ethical' countries keep churning out world class psychopaths as
leaders .since 1600 ?
Beg no longer, fine sir! This dude may have an answer.
Henceforth, Britain will do the bidding of her real masters ; she has
become the tool of the schemers against all she holds dear, namely, her
faith, her patriotism, traditions, civilisation. She grants the " returned "
aliens equality of civil rights ; they may and do become mayors over
Christian population, and within a short time Britain is ruled by a
Jewish Prime Minister, Disraeli, first and foremost a Jew and the
flunkey of the powerful Rothschild financiers.
One of the consequences of this disastrous political mistake is the
transformation of the national attitude of Great Britain and her
colonies into that of the British Empire. Disraeli who inspired it
knew what he was scheming for, the British people did not. But with
him, Zionism is carried up to the very heights of the British Throne, a Zionist World Empire is on the high road to realisation.
-Leslie Fry, "the Jews and the British Empire," 1935
In the light of what Jonathan Haidt in the above linked video says with regards to David
Perkin's findings, I tend to say this question of yours
Do Brighter Minds Incline to Honesty?
has to be answered: "Yes. But ."
The But has to do with the the history of the term "honesty".
People might say wrong things, while being (and feeling!) honest, because honesty is not
necessarily rooted in speaking the truth.
Honesty is a social category alltogether (with close ties to knighthood, chivalry and the
like). It therefor is a category, which in it's very core hints at obedience and fellowship,
and that's at times what keeps people away from speaking the truth – cf. David
Perkins and Jonathan Haidt above (ok – full circle).
Hit-and-run is common all over the world not just in China, it is a sign of moral decay,
confusion, and irresponsibility. Those perpetrators must be denounced.
But if one follows the West or the unrepentant war criminal Japanese, it is easy to white
wash those hit-and-run crimes by saying the percentage of such crime in China is way lower
than in the US though the absolute number might be higher, so Chinese is more honest than
average in the world.
On the other hand killing people with car faces less consequences in the West, most
perpetrators in the West get slap on the wrist for such crime, such as suspension of driving
license, insurance company paid compensation, short term imprisonment, or get way free by
claiming medical conditions, but in China the perpetrators may have to pay their lives for
their crimes. It seems the West does not have a balanced morality, harsh on the victims and
lenient on the criminals.
In the honesty index graph,
Germany is higher than China, OK, thats fair.
As for the five eyes lies , their rightful place is right at the
bottom.
UK [half of fukus] the ethical country ? hehehehhe
Web Of Deceit: Britain's Real Foreign Policy
by Mark Curtis
In his explosive new book, Mark Curtis reveals a new picture of Britain's role in the
world since 1945 and in the 'war against terrorism' by offering a comprehensive critique of
the Blair government's foreign policy. Curtis argues that Britain is an 'outlaw state',
often a violator of international law and ally of many repressive regimes. He reasons not
only that Britain's foreign policies are generally unethical but that they are also making
the world more dangerous and unequal.
Why do you condemn over 100,000 years of homo sapiens behaviour. Destroying human lives
has been continuously the most effective natural way to achieve important utilitarian ends
tight up to today. And given the ancient Hebrew enthusiasm for genocide is it surprising that
God's Ten Commandments not only said nothing about abortion but assumed that limiting killing
was about the best that could be hoped for.
Did I mention the top 100 hoaxes of the century chart, kid ?
Here's a partial list,
Iraq WMD
IRAQ babies incubators
Racak 'massacre'
RUSSIAGATE,
Chinagate,
Indo./China war 1962
Indon genocide 1965
GCHQ fake foto
Tibet fake foto,
Tibet genocide,
Libya
Syria
Sinking of the Maine,
Gulf of Tonkin,
911
War OF terror,
R2p[lunder]
TAM 'massacre'
Tibet 2008
Xinjiang 2009
100 reasons why fukus should be at the bottom of the 'honesty' chart !
These are not just hit and run. In China you do not run until you make sure the victim is
dead. And if the victim is not dead you hit them second time to make sure he/she is dead and
then you run. This is very pragmatic and congruent with all Chinese philosophical systems.
That's why I suggested to your compatriot (denk) here that a bit of Christian mercy and
compassion would do Chinese some good.
As Amryata Sen has pointed out. The problem in Bengal was not a lack of food but the lack
of purchasing power by the poorest peasants. Hoarding by merchants is a traditional driver of
famine in India. The Punjab actually had a good harvest but Bengal ate rice. Churchill's
nvolvement was ncidental. India was governed com India, often by Indians. Churchill was an
outrageous racist but by no means representative of the British of the time. He lost the post
war election.
I am surprised that you posted that first link. Its 1500 tested people (selected how?)
from 15 countries simply reminded me that the "Climategate" emails also belonged to the
University of East Anglia.
I didn't take the time to understand WTF PUBG was all about (third link).
As to the second link it is indeed interesting to learn of what appears to be a formal
recognition by the Chinese Communist Party that part of what contributed to the earlier
economic success of the West was trust and comparative honesty (as Amy Wax might point
out).
First of all Christians have no mercy, and they only have crusade and conversion.
Christians are cult. The Christians have been committing crimes against humanity, crimes
against peace and war crimes using evil and sadist inquisition methods for a very very long
time. Their forte is racial and culture genocide. Before Columbus time they only did their
carnage between themselves and Muslims within the European continent and ME. After Columbus
they spread their plague all over the world.
The most unfortunate victims are the Americans (from North to South). Christian not only
took the American's land, and killed them into nearly extinct, they also burnt all books of
South Americans, so that there is no indigenous South American civilization left to tell
their history and to refute what the Christian casted them as savages.
In China during the late Qing time, the Christians treated Chinese culture and traditions
as witchcraft, backed by their governments' guns they used extraterritorial right to expand
their control of people and land with organized violence and insidious crimes. Their
unscrupulous activities forced Chinese to resist thru Boxer movement because Qing Court was
incompetent. The West labelled Boxer as terrorists and crashed them with Eight Nations
Alliance armed intervention, Christian was a major force that caused China Century
Humiliation.
Since WWII all wars were led by the Christians, their false Christian mercy calls paved
the way for the Western governments and war mongers to bomb, kill and waterboard on moral
high ground just like their barbaric Christian forebears who have done to the native South
Americans and rest of the world.
That kind of morally defunct drivers are not unique to China, they appeare in the West
too. In some incidences the driver in the West made sure nobody survives in the other car by
pushing the car over the road side, so they have better chance not to be convicted due to no
witness.
While guys using assault rifles mowing down tens of school kids for no reasons and claim
it is their constitution rights to do so, and tens of millions of killed, tortured and maimed
by the NATO false flag wars, why don't you suggest your compatriots in the USA and other NATO
nations that a bit of Christian mercy and compassion would do their souls some good? Is it
because Christian mercy is myth, fantasy and snakeoil?
You are being racist, propagating the pink skin pigs' trashes in HK irresponsibly. You
should know those noxious racist trolls in the SCMP are posted by the pink skin pigs and
their mentally colonized wannabes in HK out of resentment and frustration, because they lost
their colonial privileges in HK and they are being rejected as uneducated unscrupulous
colonials back home. They fell from master caste to the bottom of the society and become
worthless trash.
Japanese are unrepentant war criminals, their whole society are liars and they have been
lying since WWII about their war crimes, their past, their present and their future, they
even are lying about the massive toxic nuclear leaking in the Fukushima cripple nuclear power
plants that are causing millions of people died of cancer and extinction of marine creatures.
While the British is the mentor of the Japanese.
Britain was a ruthless global tyrant and liar, but you seem to believe that all the crimes
against humanity and peace and war crimes British committed around the world can be forgiven
and glossed over by claiming Britain a democracy; what a lie and morally defunct double think
evil psychopathic expression. People said British imitates the Romans and the American is
born out of the British, no wonder the American is adopting the same double think logic to
white wash and gloss over the war crimes, crimes against humanity and peace they have been
committing around the world.
Winston Churchill was a classic imperialist with no moral bearing, he believed for the
empire everything goes. WWII is nothing but a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to
plunder the rest of the world; they squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing,
looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in that
scrabbling.
About cheating in the exams you must have never seen what the Greeks and Indian are
capable of. PUBG is sour grape, they cannot beat the Chinese so they banned Chinese on the
fabricated allegation, just like the Opium Wars, the British could not beat Chinese
manufactured goods, so they used Opium and wars to steal and cheat Chinese wealth.
Why do you waste time displaying your prejudices without even acknowledging what question
was asked? Your English is up to it – just – so you have no excuse.
All Utu was pointing out is that deliberately killing someone with a car to escape
prosecution is pretty heinous behavior and does suggest something really wrong with the
Chinese culture at a fundamental level.
And the treatment of animals in China is generally deplorable compared with Western
standards with little concern for their well being. How does this obvious cruelty fit on the
ethical plane?
Ethical behavior among human beings is probably more unusual than we would like to believe
and we can all be better people. The Chinese are no exception to that rule. If Christian
ethics or Buddhist ethics can advance that cause, I support this.
I was intrigued to find on the listverse.com site some readable and/or intriguing stuff,
e.g. on Charles Darwin, but your particular, well debunked, choice of anachronistic and
inaccurate story to believe and post suggests to me that anyone whose intellectual standards
allow them to rely on one of those list (usually of 10) sites should not pollute UR. Are you
aware that people are paid $100 (with possibility of bonuses) for those lists?
You are wrong, not everybody demands the same quality, and Chinese provides different
quality for different needs in the market. Besides you get what you paid for, it is
fundamental principle of capitalism if you don't count the first principle of capitalism
which is monopoly which is charge as much as you can bear and cost is irrelevant, that is not
only cheating and it is also blackmailing and looting.
The video just claims but shows no proof what the guy claims. Chinese machinery and parts
are taking more markets around the world, this simply fact proves the video is made out of
bad faith, and pure propaganda.
Coins can stand up on Chinese High Speed Rail running more than 300km/hr, no German,
Japanese or any other nation can do that, it proves the bearing quality in China HSR is
unprecedented, it further proves the guys in the video is a troll out of jealous, resentful
and fear Chinese achievements.
In China you do not run until you make sure the victim is dead.
cuz you watch some videos from youtube, forchrissake !
Can you give me some credible statistics , the percentage of such alleged crimes in
China ?
How does such alleged crimes stack up against fukus state terrorism like double
tapping , sniping at women and chidlren, obliterating the whole neighborhood of a suspect
hideout just to make sure, ?
And .
How does this elevate fukus from its rightful position at the bottom of that honesty
chart, thats all I wanna know ?
It is propaganda. People tell me that the same stories were circulated when Japan
was becoming a tech powerhouse. It will probably take another 5-10 years before it
dissipates.
I merely point out the misconception about Christians supported by historical facts.
Indian treats animals even worse while China has humane protection laws, it seems you are as
impartial as utu.
Your first paragraph comes over as so silly that perhaps it shouldn't surprise that your
second paragraph is, to say the least, extremely puzzling. Where did Anonymous [216] say or
suggest that China eould collapse? The post you are replying to implies no such thing.
After every of your visit by you at unz.com I keep wondering to what degree your primitive
chauvinism is representative of China. How many millions primitive and hateful Joe Wongs are
there? Then I wonder that perhaps you are not Chinese. That you are employed by enemies of
China. That Chinese are too smart to show their cards that early in the game. If they really
hate they would not show it because only fools show hate.
You, see I carry a positive stereotype of Chinese which is supported by my personal
experience with them but you and your sidekick deng do everything possible to undermine it
and change it into: Yes, Chinese can be really stupid and thus more dangerous than we
thought. Watch, out for stupid and dangerous Chinese. Go to the Plan B: Poke NK and the
Rocket Man more to the point that Japan get so paranoid that it starts arming itself with
nukes. If there is to be a war let it start with the yellow races killing each other. They
hate each other anyway. Ask Joe Wong if you have any doubts.
So what is it? Are you Chinese or an agent of revanchist militarist unreformed Chinese
hating interests of Japanese imperialism? And then, if you are Chinese, how many more stupid
ones like you are there?
It seems your only defense for the Christians is denying historical facts, and stating
something that Christians are not.
Naïve? Are you saying the crimes against humanity, crimes against peace and war
crimes committed by the Christians were carefully planned, deeply thought through, determined
and maturely decided like holocaust?
Bible is zero-sum based narrative, the fundamental dogma of Christianity is "you are
either with us or you are with the devil" therefore all Christians have a mission to convert
everyone else into "one of us" on the moral high ground with whatever means necessary,
Christians believe whatever the Christians do it is necessary with good intention, even
bombing, killing and waterboarding on the fabricated allegations is humanitarian
intervention.
Christianity assumes humans are primitive and born evil, they need divine force to
threaten (go to hell) them not to do harm, and it is tribal. While some other civilizations
believe humans are sane, rational, intelligent and compassionate, humans do not need divine
force to tell them how to behave properly in order to achieve peace, harmony, cooperation,
development and mutual benefits, just logical explanation and some directions will be
suffice.
If the past can be any reference, the crimes have been committed against humanity in the
name of Christianity, it is doubtful that Christians have any morality, mind you it does not
mean the Bible does not have good points in it, there are other way better ways and means to
serve as a framework to guide human behaviour for the good.
Chauvinism is someone claims what he is not and based that false claim to demonize others
what they are not on the moral high ground, this is what the West has been doing since
1492.
Stating facts does not involve emotion, so please refrain yourself from sensationalize any
topic unnecessary that makes dialog on difficult issues impossible, Theresa May and Nikki
Haley are not your role model to follow.
For over seventy years the US has dominated Asia, ravaging the continent with two major
wars in Korea and Indo-China with millions of casualties, and multiple counter-insurgency
interventions in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, Timor, Myanmar, Pakistan and
Afghanistan. The strategic goal has been to expand its military and political power, exploit
the economies and resources.
Before WWII, the American is just one of the Western imperialists ravaged and wreaked
havoc of Asia with barbaric wars, illicit drugs like Opium, slavery, stealing, robbing,
looting, plundering, murdering, torturing, exploiting, polluting, culture genocide, 'pious'
fanaticism, unmatchable greed and extreme brutality. In fact it is hard to tell the
difference between the American and the unrepentant war criminal Japanese who is more lethal
and barbaric to Asians until the Pearl Harbour incident.
If the past can be any reference, the crimes have been committed against humanity in
the name of Christianity, it is doubtful that Christians have any morality
Do you really believe this???? No morality in any Christians?
You are even more locked into hate and racism than I thought possible.
Have you attended any of the lectures by the anti-racist Tim Wise??
You might get some talking points from him that can help you in your future postings.
And keep up the good work, you have a bright future in any number of our MSM outlets.
And you have not even met the hardcore commies, who would like to explain that the only
thing that Mao did wrong, terribly wrong was that he did not kill nearly enough people.
And the answer to your question is that there are idiots in every country and race, though
in China they are mostly excluded from political positions(because insanity is not welcome),
so they troll online message boards within and without China.
Like various other fanatics and crazies, they can be entertaining in the appropriate
context. If you've been to Finland, he's the equivalent of the old drunk men yelling
propositions at girls in some train stations of the small towns. Entertaining in small
doses.
So you couldnt even give one good reason why UK should be on top of that 'honesty
chart' eh ?
well I can give you 100 why UK should be right at the bottom,
Perfidious albions
exhibit one
How to ethnic cleanse an entire island ? Declare the residents as tresspassers !
'What the files also reveal is an imperious attitude of brutality. In August 1966, Sir
Paul Gore-Booth, permanent under-secretary at the Foreign Office, wrote: "We must surely be
very tough about this. The object of the exercise was to get some rocks that will remain
ours.
There will be no indigenous population except seagulls." At the end of this is a
handwritten note by DH Greenhill, later Baron Greenhill:
"Along with the Birds go some Tarzans or Men Fridays " Under the heading, "Maintaining the
fiction", another official urges his colleagues to reclassify the islanders as "a floating
population" and to "make up the rules as we go along".
@joe Wong You are a foolish, ignorant person. At least in regard to Christianity. The
perpetrators of the holocaust and genocide are Christians? You absolutely have no clue about
Christianity. Yes, they came from a Christian based culture but Nazis (and American war
criminals) have nothing in common with Christianity. The best countries in the world are ones
based on Protestant Christianity, meaning Christianity that is the closest to the Biblical
teachings. I admire Chinese culture and history (especially the technology which benefited
the West) but you need the ability to admit the faults of your culture which has some serious
problems.
Though I am convinced that honesty is more rational in the long term than lying, I definitely
don't believe that people with high IQ are more honest than those more modestly gifted with
intellectual talent. Smart people just know better to juggle with fallacies so they are more
likely to get away with it than dummies, that's all.
Logic does say that truth is lower maintenance, as it exists per se and is always consistent,
and lies so they are not exposed need to be cared of constantly, as they are always
intrinsically inconsistent with reality, but people are people, driven by the seven sins, of
which greed and vanity are possibly the worst, with the former being more evenly distributed
while the latter tends to affect the bright rather than the dim.
Logic and ethics are different categories. Equating them is a sign of, well, vanity.
Only a moron equate honesty = quality using ball bearing as example. There are countries
may be very honest like Bhutan, yet they don't produce high quality product.
The US top elites are very intelligent, are producing lots of quality products like Boeing
plane & precision weapons for murdering everywhere, yet their politicians & bankers
are known habitual liars, with British & French close behind, and Germans
reluctantly.
Japanese is producing high quality products, look how frequently their politicians are
caught outright lying, corrupted & nepotism, and researchers are now caught recently in
their published papers using fake data, with big corporates like Toshiba, Nissan, Steel
factories caught cheating systematically for long period.
Its true Germany make top notch quality, undisputed, better than Japan imo.
But look at the chart, beside Germany, who else is producing better ball bearings than
China, or precision tools that run aerospace, manned space craft, rockets, 5th gen J20,
satellites, nuclear plants(light water pebble), nuclear sub, FSR, a long list to go yet they
are rated more honest than China.
Fyi, only 2 countries are able to produce precision steel ball bearings for tiny ball
point pen tip, Germany & Japan. So China is importing billion of them for its ball point
pen production annually.
Why can't China factory produce it? There was some uproar in China media over this last
year. Guess what? Within a mth, some factory is churning out perfect ball bearings, but in
better material – ceramic that is cheaper & longer lasting. And the producer
explained, its not economical worth the effort & machining to produce those bearings as
they cost only $200K p. a. to import. But for national pride, they do it.
And i highly suspect you are either from HK or Taiwan with some bad memory of old China
that you simply like to smear China without taking a fairer stand that, out of 1.4B Chinese
how many % is doing those crimes, vs 400M murkans more serious crimes.
The new generation Chinese should not be continuously viewed through old communist color
lens & West propaganda, they are not responsible for the history but the future. Pres Xi
is a good example, he is leading China to their peaceful rise now. He suffered in culture
revolution, do you want to blame him for those history?
This chart simply look so questionable. Why not include US, France, Oz, Canada, Bhutan,
India, Brazil, Agentina, Singapore, Thailand, Myanmar, HK, Japan, Korea, HK, Taiwan, to give
a wider comparison. And how the author do his samplings to derive this graph is very much
questionable.
And to say brighter mind = honesty, just look at how honest are most world politicians
that are generally top intellectuals of their cohort. I would say more wise = more
honesty.
To use wallets returning as a test of honesty is also overly simplified. When a country is
poor, these are godsend present unless they are true perfect communist.
As a country get wealthier, their people generally get better education & well off,
become indoctrine with social norm of what is so called good behavior(persuaded by praise
& blame). They are more inclined to return a wallet found with money that aren't so
attractive to them compare to poor. But that can never be equate to genuine honest, im sure
most US Pres & UK PM will return wallets.
Take UK as the most glaring example, with its brightest in parliament are consistently
been outright shameless liars, such as Blairs lies for Iraq WMD war, and now May's lies of
Skripal case, which all getting near unanimous support from their parliament members speak
great volumes.
There is a Unz article written on how UK has been the mecca of paedophiles, global capital
in grooming children for sexual exploitation, with systematic covered up over decades by
their politicians because they & those powerful elites were all involved.
Their police chief even suggested not to criminalize Britons watching/owned child porno as
so high a proportion of their nation are doing will overwhelm their prisons & judicial
system.
So what honesty are we talking about here, UK as over 60% honest? Even their moral value
is highly questionable if you ask most UK white people.
And Malaysia getting 3rd highest honesty of near 80% is a great joke just shy from UK. Its
one of well known highest crimes & corruption that the West themselves criticized much,
even Spore ex-PM LKY openly condemn as violent crime infested. I never know violent criminal
is honest, may be yes for the author country when compared to their politicians.
I think the question of what is best for the world is best left to the 8 million that live
in it; humanity should decide on its government every ten years.
The nation state system fosters uncontrolled capitalism. The nation state system is a middle
man between the global wealth of a very few and the slave poverty of the mass of 8 billion..
The problem with capitalism is that it is such a powerful system of economics nothing can
block its path.
Uncontrolled, capitalism is like the game of monopoly: in that game, payment is due to the
capitalist owner at most landing spots on the playing board; unless the party landing on such
spot already owns the spot landed on with each turn at play. In the end, the game of monopoly
wipes out everyone; it transfers everyone's wealth to but one player, the winner. Everyone
else is a broke worthless loser.
Without internationally enforced rules that prevent powerful, large mega monopolies
corporations (the public is unable to vote to change the corporate nature or to restructure
by voting those Board of Directors who mange the mega-corporation) to reach the size of
nation states and to amass the much more capital to burn than most nation states, nothing is
going to change. Bottom up insistence that nations write laws to control the mega-capitalist
powered, monopoly secured corporations go unheeded because no politicians or group of
politicians is strong enough to write laws that the nations can enforce, hence mega
corporations are virtually operating in a completely lawless environment { meaning mega
corporations can do whatever they want }. There is no nation powerful enough to reel in many
very large corporations; those certain few corporations own and enjoy the security from
competition that monopolies guarantee in most of the extremely profitable markets in the
world.
No one, including Russia and China can expect to survive trying to compete against the masses
of capital, the earning capacities and the wealth building power of monopolies. Monopolies
rule the nation state law makers , not the other way around. If I were you, I would add to
your list of possible MH-17 bashers several global corporations; the one's I have in mind,
cannot be completely identified to a single nation in the world because they are so large
they own the lawmakers, most of the assets and all of the earning power in many of the
nations.
One the 9/11 clouds is the possible corporate involvement.
There are three possibilities: Rebels shot, our thought they shot, at an Ukrainian bomber,
and hit a passenger plane A Ukrainian bomber used the passenger plane as shield, in the
expectation that the rebels would not fire A western plane deliberately shot down the plane,
possibly a stealth plane.
That the plane was ordered to fly lower by Kiev air control might support the last two
possibilities.
In any case, neither the rebels, nor the Russians had any interest in shooting down the
plane. The western interest at the time was clear, the Netherlands objected most to
sanctions, our export to Russia. The 300 deaths changed that literally overnight.
What never has been explained was the telephone call from prime minister Rutte to vice
prime minister Asscher, at the time on holiday on vacation in the south of France.
Rutte phoned Asscher on his mobile, but asked him to call back on a land line 'so that the
Russians could not listen in'.
What at the afternoon of the crash was so secret that the Russians were not allowed to
hear, I have just the suspicion that Rutte told Asscher that the Russian had to be
blamed.
The Dutch investigation, with suspect Ukraine, drags on until now.
You are even more cynical than I am. I have no doubt that the politicians, Dutch, US,
Australian, Ukrainian, and all others, are totally amoral and unscrupulous. Naturally, they
are all venal. As the US saying goes, "honest politician is the one who, once bought, stays
bought".
But I thought that a person who lost someone in that crash would like to know the truth,
rather than "official" US BS. It would be sad to think that none of almost 300 people on
board had anyone who cared about them more than about money. If I were related to any of the
victims, I'd feel vindictive. I'd want to kill whoever is responsible, not whoever the liars
found it expedient to blame. And I'd make damn sure I know who planned this provocation and
who executed it in cold blood.
In my blog 'contraviews' http://www.contraviewing.blogspot.com post 148
you will find a recording of the conversation (mentioned in this article) between the
Estonian Foreign Affairs Minister Urmas Paet and EU Foreign Policy chief Catherine Ashton. Go
to the year 2014 in the margin and scroll down to post 148. One may find more interesting
articles on MH17.
Russian foreign ministry presentation provided sensational new details during ambassador briefing claiming that the USA know about
the fact that Boing was short down before Boeing fall on he ground. And deliberately hide satellite information that they have about
the incident that establishedd the sequnce of events in this shooting
Live Russian MFA summons foreign ambassadors to a meeting on Skripal
case -- statement - YouTube
Notable quotes:
"... The Dutch simply accepted that the Ukraine lost all relevant radar data. ..."
The lengths Dutch Prime Minister publicly went (serving quote 'geopolitical interests') to get the EU-Ukraine association agreement
ratified the clear rejection by advisory referendum notwithstanding, ought to make any well informed reader suspicious of how
far Rutte went out of public sight to serve those same 'geopolitical interests' by manipulating both the investigation and public
opinion in relation to MH17.
Rutte recently demonstrated his fealty to those 'geopolitical interests' again. When asked if new evidence was presented in
the Skripal case to justify the Netherlands support for the UK, Rutte answered that 'such evidence wasn't necessary because May
had stated that it was highly likely that Russia was responsible'.
The Dutch Government got a UN mandate to perform the investigation and as such that part of the investigation had to be transparent.
Clearly to serve those 'geopolitical interests' the Dutch separated the technical investigation from the legal liability investigation.
The technical investigation was performed under the UN mandate and the second legal liability investigation was organized separate
from any UN mandate.
The Dutch, Australian, Belgium government colluded with the Ukrainians to organize a 'Joint Investigation Team' which under
the cover of performing a legal investigation refuses any transparency and at regular intervals hints that indictments are close
but not there yet.
Also the Dutch Transport Safety Board technical investigation has concluded that the UkSATSE should have closed the Air Control
area above Eastern Ukraine, but the Dutch government has thus far never taken any action to hold the Ukrainians responsible for
that failure even when 3 days before MNH17 a AN-24 was downed from 6500m and UkSATSE (joint civil-military ATC) continued to control
some 100 civil air liners a day over that area.
The Dutch simply accepted that the Ukraine lost all relevant radar data.
Actually this "Who shot down MH17?" is the wrong question.
The question is "Who is liable?".
Shooting down aircraft above a war zone is SOP. If a civilian air liner is guided and controlled over such war area where 3
days earlier an AN-24 has been downed from 6500m one really ought to question the competence and liability of the ATC involved.
That ATC authority UkSATSE as a joint civil-military ATC was fully informed about the situation and still continued to guide some
100 civil air liners ad day for three days over that war zone.
Shooting down a civil air liner over a war zone is tragic but not necessarily always a crime. There was no motive for the East
Ukrainians, but as shown by the relentless exploitation by the Kiev puppet regime this Kiev regime most definitely had a motive.
Any liability investigation with the Ukrainian secret service as an investigator like in the Dutch/Australian/Ukraine Joint
investigation Team simply can't be trusted to even look for the truth. The JIT was set up with the intention of evading the transparency
requirements associated with the UN mandated investigation.
Thinking people smelled a rat in the case of MH17 straight off. No sensible person can fail to smell it now. Just a few considerations:
1. Donbass freedom fighters (and, by extension, Russia) were blamed by the US, its vassals, and its client states like Ukraine
even before the debris cooled down. Only the perpetrators could have known designated "guilty party" without any investigation.
2. Satellite pictures promised by Kerry four years ago never materialized. The only logical conclusion is that the perpetrators
were not those accused by the US, and the pictures would have revealed real perpetrators, which the US did not want to happen.
3. Malaysia, the owner of that airplane, was not allowed to participate in the investigation. Apparently, someone was afraid
that it might not play ball. This can only happen when the "investigators" meant to hide the truth, not to reveal it.
4. The UK, Australia, the Netherlands, and one of the suspects, Ukraine, signed a non-disclosure agreement. It makes no sense
unless one or more of the signatories is guilty.
5. The "investigation" is going on for four years, longer than any investigation in the history of civil aviation. The experience
shows that a lot less time is needed to uncover the truth. Thus, the length of this "investigation" shows that the real purpose
is cover-up.
6. Ukraine never provided the records of pilots' communications with air traffic controllers, or any other air traffic control
records. Thus, it must have had something to hide.
One can continue in this vein, but what's the point? Suffice it to say that all international airlines drew their conclusions:
they fly over Russia, but avoid Ukrainian airspace, like they avoid Iranian and North Korean airspace. Sapienti sat.
Thinking people smelled a rat in the case of MH17 straight off. No sensible person can fail to smell it now. Just a few considerations:
1. Donbass freedom fighters (and, by extension, Russia) were blamed by the US, its vassals, and its client states like Ukraine
even before the debris cooled down. Only the perpetrators could have known designated "guilty party" without any investigation.
2. Satellite pictures promised by Kerry four years ago never materialized. The only logical conclusion is that the perpetrators
were not those accused by the US, and the pictures would have revealed real perpetrators, which the US did not want to happen.
3. Malaysia, the owner of that airplane, was not allowed to participate in the investigation. Apparently, someone was afraid that
it might not play ball. This can only happen when the "investigators" meant to hide the truth, not to reveal it.
4. The UK, Australia, the Netherlands, and one of the suspects, Ukraine, signed a non-disclosure agreement. It makes no sense
unless one or more of the signatories is guilty.
5. The "investigation" is going on for four years, longer than any investigation in the history of civil aviation. The experience
shows that a lot less time is needed to uncover the truth. Thus, the length of this "investigation" shows that the real purpose
is cover-up.
6. Ukraine never provided the records of pilots' communications with air traffic controllers, or any other air traffic control
records. Thus, it must have had something to hide.
One can continue in this vein, but what's the point? Suffice it to say that all international airlines drew their conclusions:
they fly over Russia, but avoid Ukrainian airspace, like they avoid Iranian and North Korean airspace. Sapienti sat.
See my comment nr 230: There is not one investigation. The Dutch manipulated this into two separate investigations. There was
a technical UN mandated transparent Dutch Safety Board investigation. The Dutch organized a second criminal investigation together
with Australia, Belgium and the Ukraine and instigated A Joint Investigation Team (JIT).
Yes. I can understand the Dutch government: they serve the US overlords first and foremost. They don't give a hoot about the lives
of ordinary Dutch people. What I do not understand is the behavior of the people who lost loved ones in MH17 crash. Don't they
want to know who killed them? Don't they object to being grist for the mill of amoral and cynical politicians?
Well, actually I believe that those points do not contradict my theory.
You:
1. Donbass freedom fighters were blamed by the US, its vassals, and its client states like Ukraine even before the debris cooled
down. Only the perpetrators could have known designated "guilty party" without any investigation
Me:
1. Donbass freedom fighters were blamed by the US, its vassals, and its client states like Ukraine even before the debris cooled
down. They saw, on their monitors, what happened.
You:
2. Satellite pictures promised by Kerry four years ago never materialized. If they could prove that Donbass freedom fighters were
the perpetrators, these pictures would have been publicized by the US more than any Hollywood movie. My conclusion is that the
perpetrators were not those accused by the US, and the pictures would have revealed real perpetrators, which the US did not want
to happen.
Me:
2. Satellite pictures promised by Kerry four years ago never materialized. They could've pointed to actual surveillance capabilities
of the US, either way.
You:
3. Malaysia, the owner of that airplane, was not allowed to participate in the investigation. Apparently, someone was afraid that
it might not play ball. This can only happen when the "investigators" meant to hide the truth, not to reveal it
Me:
3. Malaysia, the owner of that airplane, was not allowed to participate in the investigation. The investigation was supposed to
be as impartial as possible. Interested parties were kept out as much as possible.
Etc .
No need to keep see-sawing this. Being done plenty of times before and it is being done, as we speak, all over Internet.
1. If anyone on the US/Ukraine side saw on their screens anything that could place the blame on Donbass freedom fighters and/or
Russia, they would have presented their evidence straight away. The US and its vassals (e.g., UK) go into lengthy hysterics even
when they have no evidence whatsoever (US elections in 2016, Skripal affair, etc).
2. The US was so eager to hide its surveillance capabilities that Kerry blabbered about it from the get go. Then presented
zilch. Very believable.
3. If Malaysia was excluded to make the investigation impartial, than Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, and UK should have been
excluded, as well. The investigation should have been conducted by a party who has no stake in the matter. Instead, it is conducted
by one of the prime suspects and countries who lost citizens in that crash. For four years! With non-disclosure agreement, to
boot. Inspires lots of confidence.
I am sure your responses to the rest would be just as "convincing".
Why on earth would Russia gain anything from shooting down the plane? Western sanctions assault on the Russian Federation had
been ongoing for some time before this incident. The US is willing to kill its own people, ala 9/11. The deep state is malicious
and dangerous and it is the alt internet that makes our use of same to glean information that we would never to see in the MSM.
The US has been trying to provoke Russia into a war and Putin hasn't taken the bait. The senseless idiots in the west don't seem
to realise that Russian nuclear weaponry is supperia to our own and life on earth would surely end; except for the wealthy elites
who run our country who would be safe in our D.U.M.B's
Just consider 9/11. Mossad was caught with bombs in NYC the day of and yet they were released and there's no mention in the
media. All the evidence Chris Bollyn and others have put together points to a zionist "inside" operation. Over 2,300 engineers
conclude the government's narrative "defies physics", not to mention logic. WTC Building 7 collapses in 7 seconds and this is
ignored without repercussion. 3,000 died that day and millions since as a result (fake "War on Terror", actual "War OF Terror").
The country has been overthrown from within. The question is what to do? How do we wake up the masses suffering from Stockholm
Syndrome? Or is it best to get the heck out of dodge before things unravel and escalate?
We have a fake government, fake media, fake legal system (UCC contract law, no common law), fake education, fake history, fake
air/skies (chemtrails, geo-engineering), fake water (fluoridated), fake food (GMO). 5G is coming, cameras are going up everywhere.
We're close to a police state and martial law can't be far off. Fake President. I deep down knew he wasn't real because it's not
possible. http://themillenniumreport.com
It's a pretty bleak picture. We need an awakening / revolution.
The vampire squid has its much larger and more powerful prey so under control that there is almost no need for it to deliver
orders and commands. The evil parasite has a thought and the host carries out the action as if the blood/brain barrier has been
breached. The only remaining question for sensible realists concerns how much time should pass before they begin to wish for/hope
for/work to bring about the downfall of the host prey as it becomes clearer and more obvious that its downfall is the only way
to destroy the evil parasite and spare the rest of the world.
The critical mistake that the CIA and other institutions of the American deep state made was in failing to understand that media
is critical infrastructure just as much as roads, bridges, ports and the electrical grid and therefore needed to be kept out of
the cartelized control of a tiny ethnic group with foreign allegiances. They allowed this critical infrastructure be bought up
by this foreign minority and thereby used to brainwash the American public and control the perimeter of the debate. This was a
catastrophic mistake which is the primary root cause of most of America's greatest problems from immigration to foreign wars in
the Middle East.
If effect, the American media is controlled by a foreign mafia, until and unless it is dealt with as such, in the same manner
as the Italian mafia, if necessary, America will continue to be run for foreign interests. Most countries are much smarter than
us (e.g., China). They never would have let this happen.
Brian Roberts: Comcast and MSNBC
Aviv Nevo: Time Warner and CNN.
Sulzburger family: NYTimes
Sumner Rothstein: CBS
You won't hear about shooting Gaza protesters on prime time MSNBC, CNN shows for two reasons. The guests either wouldn't
be inclined to speak about it, for ideological and ethic reasons. Or, those that might like to express concern would feel sufficiently
threatened that they would never be asked to come back.
Oh Lord, I want that money is a line from The Producers . But it's applicable here. Many of these cable contributors
know what's expected of them and deliver safe answers so they can continue cashing scale appearance checks. And any show with
a negative focus on Israel would be attacked by the Israel Lobby, forthwith.
I spent several summers in Israel when I was a college student in 1968 and 1969. When I went back to the University of North Carolina
I took a course in the Arab/Israel Dispute; it was a seminar that was methodically fair, telling both sides of the story. After
class the professor and I would walk to our cars in faculty parking areas. He would actually look over his shoulder before admitting
that most to the people in his field were strongly in favor of the Palestinians, since the Jews had such a strangle-hold on every
American university.
Certainly those on the right whose priorities are most directly under attack by powerful jewish lobbies and oligarchs should tactically
support the idea of cutting off any positive connections with Israel, until jewish money stops promoting:
Interventionist wars;
The imposition of speech taboos and ultimately speechcrime laws (as in Europe and the UK) under the pretexts of suppressing
"hate speech" and the political correctness smears (anti-Semitism, racism, homophobia, islamophobia etc);
"When Mr. Bush [the lesser] cited its most simplified tenet -- that the US should seek to promote liberal democracy around
the world -- as a key case for invading Iraq, neoconservatism was suddenly everywhere. It was a unified ideology that justified
military adventurism, sanctioned torture and promoted aggressive Zionism."
Normally, on the 50th anniversary of any notable event, there is almost always recognition in the mainstream media not so for
the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5). The American mainstream media was totally silent -- not a single peep
or mention of this act of war by Israel. This is PROOF that our mainstream media is "owned", lock, stock and barrel by Israel
"One of the most influential neoconservatives in Washington is Robert Kagan, the husband of Victoria Nuland who was the Assistant
Secretary of State for European Affairs under the Obama administration (and one of the architects of the Ukraine's civil war)
describes himself as a "liberal interventionist"
Between the 1950′s and the 1960′s, a political movement known as Neo-conservatism was born under the liberal hawks of the Democratic
Party in the United States. Then came the Vietnam war where the liberal hawks called for military action to prevent the Communists
from taking power in Vietnam. The neocons were also proponents of the Cold War and supporters of Israel's illegal occupation of
Palestine The neocons made their way to the Reagan administration with Eliot Abrams and company with wars in Central America including
Nicaragua and El Salvador."
-- In any civilized society, the Kagans clan et al would have been isolated like a plague from the population. The US has become
truly zionized by the Trotskyists who have been working synergetically with the MIC and the CIA.
.
It is a loosely guarded secret that American "law enforcement" has embraced Israeli "law enforcement" tactics (which are akin
to military practices). As Israel is on a constant "war footing", its tactics are contentious and confrontational. In fact, American
"law enforcement" agencies routinely send their officers to Israel to receive "training" in Israeli police tactics. There is no
room for Israeli tactics in American "law enforcement".
"Escalation of force" used to be the cornerstone of American "law enforcement", but no more. Police expect us mere mundanes
to cower in fear, and obey their (sometimes confusing and ridiculous) commands without question. This goes hand-in-hand with the
militarization of American "law enforcement". Of course, us mere mundanes are expected to embrace the "escalation of force" doctrine
under penalty of law.
SERIOUS question for people that want to roll back borders to where they were over a half century ago (or wherever their 0 year,
they made up, is):
Can we put Instanbul back in charge of the muddy yeast, being as Erdogan seems tremendously trustworthy, or maybe swap ruling
families back to where they were before some of the swaps? Moving royal fams around is near tradition, at this point.
Not a proper history, but, if you are actually interested, there is much more to read. They even put most of this history in
books, which are often the place to go after web comments. Peer review and everything, on a good day.
If you stand in front of a Chinese tank, you die. If you throw rocks at an Israeli tank, you die. Nothing novel in either case.
Russia has been very restrained re: ukies. Was zero reason to turn it into Chechnya, and that is exactly what State was angling
for. On a meddling n garbage angle: Hell, Obummer tried to pull off a coup in Tatarstan (on the Volga ) and I wish I was imagining
it, but they tried to create a Free Tatarstan Army was heavily under-reported by Western media.
Funny how perfectly the Israelis mimic the Nazis they kvetch about all the time, if one believe the stories they tell. They keep
the untermensch Palestinians in ghettos, where they shoot them and gas them, and otherwise treat them like vermin. No doubt some
commenters here agree that they are vermin. How long until Israel builds them showers?
I appreciate Giraldi's articulate and concise summary of the problem. I would also add that Israel had also been designated by
the UN as the world's leader in human slavery and sex trafficking, another thing you'll never hear reported in America's Jewish-controlled
media. Based on that alone we should be enacting sanctions against Israel.
But I have noticed for decades the recurring quiet void that follows the "something must be done" part in the endless articles
I've read on the subject, as if that iron wall of Jewish censorship and power is eternally insurmountable. It isn't.
We should know by now that there is not going to be a political solution, and I have long since stopped dreaming about voting
Israeli collaborators out of our government.
Put simply, Jewish power comes from money and that money comes from us. The populace may complain endlessly about Washington
Post propaganda and its pernicious efforts to overthrow our democratically elected president, but every December Americans will
dump a few billion dollars into Jeff Bezos' pocket. It's time to stop.
You can already see the effects of Americans boycotting Hollywood and the NFL -- it works.
What I would like to see everyone do is offer a solution instead of another explication of the problems. Essentially, how do
we overthrow this Jewish police state we live in and regain control of our own country before it's too late?
My suggestion is a comprehensive economic boycott against all Jewish goods and services.
You have a better solution? Let's hear it. In fact, I would love to see the Unz Review commit to a series of "solution" articles.
8Are you saying that only a response which shows that a civlian's life is not safe if he engages in a peaceful -- and certainly
not life threatening -- demonstration against the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is adequate to deal with such a demonstration
without severely risking the security of Israel?
Your answer, impled by what you have already said, appears to be "Yes". Really!?
Some of this blame has to be put on the lap of the feckless Arab nation. Egypt, Jordan and of course the coward princes in
Saudi Arabia. El Sisi is a banana republic despot looking, poor man's version of Mubarak, the King of Jordan is trying to stay
above it all and the worst is that 'idiot savant' gorilla sized 'clown prince' MBS who has become good buds with that weird (even
for a Jew) Trump son-in-law Jared . Does he own a chain of jewelry stores? (Grin)
The Turkish emir Erdogan is doing the heavy lifting for these weak Arabs. At least he's trading insults with 'Yahoo'.
The United States, my country, unfortunately is Zionist Occupied Territory. I just started picking fights on Beitbart and while
many of the posters I assume are Zionist trolls some have to be real posters and there the pro Zionist posters outnumbered
the anti Zionist ones at least 5 to 1.
I bow my head in shame for my once great and now Zionist occupied country.
The sad truth is, most Americans don't really care what is happening eight thousand miles away, no matter how horrific, and no
matter that their money is being used to support it. They drink the media koolaid, and think mostly about what's for dinner and
where to go on vacation this year. This is how the farce goes on. It makes the zio animals smile.
Yes, there's a lot of fakery going on, Paul. I agree that the "special relationship" benefits Israel exclusively and that it
has reached the stage of being undeniable. I can't quite accept this latest Q, though. His communiques sound too much like the
average blog commenter's repetitive postings, as though the average blog commenter is the target audience.
Everyone should hope that Justin Raimondo and the readership of "Antiwar.com" reads Giraldi's facts as written in this article.
Moreover, all the subscribers of the New York Times and Washington Post should be apprised of the facts that these two publishers
deliberately withhold from readers. U.S. citizens who are taxed to support these war crimes are purposely kept ignorant of the
facts. Nevertheless, the world is aware of U.S. hypocritical support for Israel's disdain of international law and the horrible
war crimes that occur in Israel's unlawful occupation of Palestinian captured land.
sad realization that the blood of many innocent people is, to a considerable extent, on our hands
Sad to say, most Americans don't know, don't want to know and don't care. The US, since the end of the last world war, has
caused millions to die all over the world either directly or indirectly. This has gone on up to the present day. The collective
response of the average American to all that has been a collective yawn. The only fightback came during the Vietnam war when the
costs and body counts started getting too high. Otherwise if the furriners get killed at a low cost to us then no problem. Only
about perhaps 2-5% of the American public evinces any moral misgivings about the mass atrocities it's supposed government has
carried out routinely. Because of this it's safe to conclude that America is a nation of moral defectives so don't expect much
from them. In this context the recent Israeli actions are small change and will be memory-holed quickly. They are America's local
pit bull and therefore have the umbrella of American protection. It's also interesting to note how the Palestinians have been
abandoned by the leadership of some of their supposed fellow Arab states of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt, all US client-flunkies.
Non-Arabs seem to be among the ones most discomfited by these recent events.
I would suspect I am not the first to say it (but may be), from the outside, this 'special relationship' looks much like the special
relationship between the face-hugger and the character John Hurt is playing in Alien .
"The sad truth is, most Americans don't really care what is happening eight thousand miles away"
They didn't care what happened in Vegas, either. Illegal gun running, money laundering, mobsters working with the FBI and ATF,
58 innocent Americans dead, hundreds more wounded.
But hey, pretty girls and Harvey Weinstein's wee wee are much more important. Everyone did see that this sex scandal was a
deliberate news bomb to knock Vegas off the news, right?
The Leon Trotsky position was that all gentile Christians must be forced to deny Christ and Church and affirm atheism, and
all nations on the planet must be forced to accept Marxism.
Are you stupid enough to label Trotsky a right winger?
Not many leftists do, but all kinds of leftist Jews and Jewish Neocons call Stalin some type of fascist. Of course, economically,
all fascists are socialists.
Just consider 9/11. Mossad was caught with bombs in NYC the day of and yet they were released and there's no mention in the
media. All the evidence Chris Bollyn and others have put together points to a zionist "inside" operation. Over 2,300 engineers
conclude the government's narrative "defies physics", not to mention logic. WTC Building 7 collapses in 7 seconds and this is
ignored without repercussion. 3,000 died that day and millions since as a result (fake "War on Terror", actual "War OF Terror").
The country has been overthrown from within. The question is what to do? How do we wake up the masses suffering from Stockholm
Syndrome? Or is it best to get the heck out of dodge before things unravel and escalate?
We have a fake government, fake media, fake legal system (UCC contract law, no common law), fake education, fake history, fake
air/skies (chemtrails, geo-engineering), fake water (fluoridated), fake food (GMO). 5G is coming, cameras are going up everywhere.
We're close to a police state and martial law can't be far off. Fake President. I deep down knew he wasn't real because it's not
possible. http://themillenniumreport.com
It's a pretty bleak picture. We need an awakening / revolution.
The vampire squid has its much larger and more powerful prey so under control that there is almost no need for it to deliver
orders and commands. The evil parasite has a thought and the host carries out the action as if the blood/brain barrier has been
breached. The only remaining question for sensible realists concerns how much time should pass before they begin to wish for/hope
for/work to bring about the downfall of the host prey as it becomes clearer and more obvious that its downfall is the only way
to destroy the evil parasite and spare the rest of the world.
The critical mistake that the CIA and other institutions of the American deep state made was in failing to understand that media
is critical infrastructure just as much as roads, bridges, ports and the electrical grid and therefore needed to be kept out of
the cartelized control of a tiny ethnic group with foreign allegiances. They allowed this critical infrastructure be bought up
by this foreign minority and thereby used to brainwash the American public and control the perimeter of the debate. This was a
catastrophic mistake which is the primary root cause of most of America's greatest problems from immigration to foreign wars in
the Middle East.
If effect, the American media is controlled by a foreign mafia, until and unless it is dealt with as such, in the same manner
as the Italian mafia, if necessary, America will continue to be run for foreign interests. Most countries are much smarter than
us (e.g., China). They never would have let this happen.
Brian Roberts: Comcast and MSNBC
Aviv Nevo: Time Warner and CNN.
Sulzburger family: NYTimes
Sumner Rothstein: CBS
You won't hear about shooting Gaza protesters on prime time MSNBC, CNN shows for two reasons. The guests either wouldn't
be inclined to speak about it, for ideological and ethic reasons. Or, those that might like to express concern would feel sufficiently
threatened that they would never be asked to come back.
Oh Lord, I want that money is a line from The Producers . But it's applicable here. Many of these cable contributors
know what's expected of them and deliver safe answers so they can continue cashing scale appearance checks. And any show with
a negative focus on Israel would be attacked by the Israel Lobby, forthwith.
I spent several summers in Israel when I was a college student in 1968 and 1969. When I went back to the University of North Carolina
I took a course in the Arab/Israel Dispute; it was a seminar that was methodically fair, telling both sides of the story. After
class the professor and I would walk to our cars in faculty parking areas. He would actually look over his shoulder before admitting
that most to the people in his field were strongly in favor of the Palestinians, since the Jews had such a strangle-hold on every
American university.
Certainly those on the right whose priorities are most directly under attack by powerful jewish lobbies and oligarchs should tactically
support the idea of cutting off any positive connections with Israel, until jewish money stops promoting:
Interventionist wars;
The imposition of speech taboos and ultimately speechcrime laws (as in Europe and the UK) under the pretexts of suppressing
"hate speech" and the political correctness smears (anti-Semitism, racism, homophobia, islamophobia etc);
"When Mr. Bush [the lesser] cited its most simplified tenet -- that the US should seek to promote liberal democracy around
the world -- as a key case for invading Iraq, neoconservatism was suddenly everywhere. It was a unified ideology that justified
military adventurism, sanctioned torture and promoted aggressive Zionism."
Normally, on the 50th anniversary of any notable event, there is almost always recognition in the mainstream media not so for
the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5). The American mainstream media was totally silent -- not a single peep
or mention of this act of war by Israel. This is PROOF that our mainstream media is "owned", lock, stock and barrel by Israel
"One of the most influential neoconservatives in Washington is Robert Kagan, the husband of Victoria Nuland who was the Assistant
Secretary of State for European Affairs under the Obama administration (and one of the architects of the Ukraine's civil war)
describes himself as a "liberal interventionist"
Between the 1950′s and the 1960′s, a political movement known as Neo-conservatism was born under the liberal hawks of the Democratic
Party in the United States. Then came the Vietnam war where the liberal hawks called for military action to prevent the Communists
from taking power in Vietnam. The neocons were also proponents of the Cold War and supporters of Israel's illegal occupation of
Palestine The neocons made their way to the Reagan administration with Eliot Abrams and company with wars in Central America including
Nicaragua and El Salvador."
-- In any civilized society, the Kagans clan et al would have been isolated like a plague from the population. The US has become
truly zionized by the Trotskyists who have been working synergetically with the MIC and the CIA.
.
It is a loosely guarded secret that American "law enforcement" has embraced Israeli "law enforcement" tactics (which are akin
to military practices). As Israel is on a constant "war footing", its tactics are contentious and confrontational. In fact, American
"law enforcement" agencies routinely send their officers to Israel to receive "training" in Israeli police tactics. There is no
room for Israeli tactics in American "law enforcement".
"Escalation of force" used to be the cornerstone of American "law enforcement", but no more. Police expect us mere mundanes
to cower in fear, and obey their (sometimes confusing and ridiculous) commands without question. This goes hand-in-hand with the
militarization of American "law enforcement". Of course, us mere mundanes are expected to embrace the "escalation of force" doctrine
under penalty of law.
SERIOUS question for people that want to roll back borders to where they were over a half century ago (or wherever their 0 year,
they made up, is):
Can we put Instanbul back in charge of the muddy yeast, being as Erdogan seems tremendously trustworthy, or maybe swap ruling
families back to where they were before some of the swaps? Moving royal fams around is near tradition, at this point.
Not a proper history, but, if you are actually interested, there is much more to read. They even put most of this history in
books, which are often the place to go after web comments. Peer review and everything, on a good day.
If you stand in front of a Chinese tank, you die. If you throw rocks at an Israeli tank, you die. Nothing novel in either case.
Russia has been very restrained re: ukies. Was zero reason to turn it into Chechnya, and that is exactly what State was angling
for. On a meddling n garbage angle: Hell, Obummer tried to pull off a coup in Tatarstan (on the Volga ) and I wish I was imagining
it, but they tried to create a Free Tatarstan Army was heavily under-reported by Western media.
Funny how perfectly the Israelis mimic the Nazis they kvetch about all the time, if one believe the stories they tell. They keep
the untermensch Palestinians in ghettos, where they shoot them and gas them, and otherwise treat them like vermin. No doubt some
commenters here agree that they are vermin. How long until Israel builds them showers?
I appreciate Giraldi's articulate and concise summary of the problem. I would also add that Israel had also been designated by
the UN as the world's leader in human slavery and sex trafficking, another thing you'll never hear reported in America's Jewish-controlled
media. Based on that alone we should be enacting sanctions against Israel.
But I have noticed for decades the recurring quiet void that follows the "something must be done" part in the endless articles
I've read on the subject, as if that iron wall of Jewish censorship and power is eternally insurmountable. It isn't.
We should know by now that there is not going to be a political solution, and I have long since stopped dreaming about voting
Israeli collaborators out of our government.
Put simply, Jewish power comes from money and that money comes from us. The populace may complain endlessly about Washington
Post propaganda and its pernicious efforts to overthrow our democratically elected president, but every December Americans will
dump a few billion dollars into Jeff Bezos' pocket. It's time to stop.
You can already see the effects of Americans boycotting Hollywood and the NFL -- it works.
What I would like to see everyone do is offer a solution instead of another explication of the problems. Essentially, how do
we overthrow this Jewish police state we live in and regain control of our own country before it's too late?
My suggestion is a comprehensive economic boycott against all Jewish goods and services.
You have a better solution? Let's hear it. In fact, I would love to see the Unz Review commit to a series of "solution" articles.
8Are you saying that only a response which shows that a civlian's life is not safe if he engages in a peaceful -- and certainly
not life threatening -- demonstration against the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is adequate to deal with such a demonstration
without severely risking the security of Israel?
Your answer, impled by what you have already said, appears to be "Yes". Really!?
Some of this blame has to be put on the lap of the feckless Arab nation. Egypt, Jordan and of course the coward princes in
Saudi Arabia. El Sisi is a banana republic despot looking, poor man's version of Mubarak, the King of Jordan is trying to stay
above it all and the worst is that 'idiot savant' gorilla sized 'clown prince' MBS who has become good buds with that weird (even
for a Jew) Trump son-in-law Jared . Does he own a chain of jewelry stores? (Grin)
The Turkish emir Erdogan is doing the heavy lifting for these weak Arabs. At least he's trading insults with 'Yahoo'.
The United States, my country, unfortunately is Zionist Occupied Territory. I just started picking fights on Beitbart and while
many of the posters I assume are Zionist trolls some have to be real posters and there the pro Zionist posters outnumbered
the anti Zionist ones at least 5 to 1.
I bow my head in shame for my once great and now Zionist occupied country.
The sad truth is, most Americans don't really care what is happening eight thousand miles away, no matter how horrific, and no
matter that their money is being used to support it. They drink the media koolaid, and think mostly about what's for dinner and
where to go on vacation this year. This is how the farce goes on. It makes the zio animals smile.
Yes, there's a lot of fakery going on, Paul. I agree that the "special relationship" benefits Israel exclusively and that it
has reached the stage of being undeniable. I can't quite accept this latest Q, though. His communiques sound too much like the
average blog commenter's repetitive postings, as though the average blog commenter is the target audience.
Everyone should hope that Justin Raimondo and the readership of "Antiwar.com" reads Giraldi's facts as written in this article.
Moreover, all the subscribers of the New York Times and Washington Post should be apprised of the facts that these two publishers
deliberately withhold from readers. U.S. citizens who are taxed to support these war crimes are purposely kept ignorant of the
facts. Nevertheless, the world is aware of U.S. hypocritical support for Israel's disdain of international law and the horrible
war crimes that occur in Israel's unlawful occupation of Palestinian captured land.
sad realization that the blood of many innocent people is, to a considerable extent, on our hands
Sad to say, most Americans don't know, don't want to know and don't care. The US, since the end of the last world war, has
caused millions to die all over the world either directly or indirectly. This has gone on up to the present day. The collective
response of the average American to all that has been a collective yawn. The only fightback came during the Vietnam war when the
costs and body counts started getting too high. Otherwise if the furriners get killed at a low cost to us then no problem. Only
about perhaps 2-5% of the American public evinces any moral misgivings about the mass atrocities it's supposed government has
carried out routinely. Because of this it's safe to conclude that America is a nation of moral defectives so don't expect much
from them. In this context the recent Israeli actions are small change and will be memory-holed quickly. They are America's local
pit bull and therefore have the umbrella of American protection. It's also interesting to note how the Palestinians have been
abandoned by the leadership of some of their supposed fellow Arab states of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt, all US client-flunkies.
Non-Arabs seem to be among the ones most discomfited by these recent events.
I would suspect I am not the first to say it (but may be), from the outside, this 'special relationship' looks much like the special
relationship between the face-hugger and the character John Hurt is playing in Alien .
"The sad truth is, most Americans don't really care what is happening eight thousand miles away"
They didn't care what happened in Vegas, either. Illegal gun running, money laundering, mobsters working with the FBI and ATF,
58 innocent Americans dead, hundreds more wounded.
But hey, pretty girls and Harvey Weinstein's wee wee are much more important. Everyone did see that this sex scandal was a
deliberate news bomb to knock Vegas off the news, right?
The Leon Trotsky position was that all gentile Christians must be forced to deny Christ and Church and affirm atheism, and
all nations on the planet must be forced to accept Marxism.
Are you stupid enough to label Trotsky a right winger?
Not many leftists do, but all kinds of leftist Jews and Jewish Neocons call Stalin some type of fascist. Of course, economically,
all fascists are socialists.
"... The first, perhaps most dominant ingredient of the Cold War is missing: ideological competition. America remains aggressive internationally, determined to transform the world in its image, or at least in its interest. Of course, invading Iraq, nation-building in Afghanistan, blowing up Libya and messing around in Syria all failed dramatically -- even disastrously. Nevertheless, so far Washington's governing elite appears to have learned nothing. ..."
"... Putinism is no philosophy. It is just traditional authoritarian nationalism. Even those in the West who seem to admire him -- reactionary conservatives, intolerant nationalists and wannabe authoritarians -- are more enamored of his methods than his person. There is no Putinist version of the Comintern, no global Putinist revolutionary movement devoted to world conquest. Putin cares about the world only insofar as it affects Russia. ..."
"... Second, Russia's foreign policy is essentially conservative and restrained, though not pacifist. (In contrast, America's is unconstrained and frankly militarist.) This approach explains the conflicts in Georgia and Ukraine, as well as attempts to influence American and European elections. The United States views expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders as the natural evolution of American global domination. Moscow considers the incorporation of Ukraine into the alliance created to constrain Russia as a security threat, rather as Washington might view Mexico's entry into the Warsaw Pact. While to Americans Moscow is wildly inflating the threat -- in truth, the idea of the Europeans attacking Russia sounds like the plot for a fantasy movie -- the United States has not suffered multiple invasions from its European neighbors. ..."
President Donald Trump entered office with praise for Russian President Vladimir Putin and
support for improving Washington-Moscow relations. A year later President Trump surprised even
his aides by congratulating Putin on the latter's reelection and suggesting a summit meeting
between the two leaders.
A chilling political wind is blowing through the capitals of America, Europe and Russia.
There is talk of a new Cold War, as the two sides trade diplomatic expulsions. In the West, at
least, there is even a hint of war as NATO fusses over European defense capabilities (poor) and
the United States deploys more troops to the continent (as usual).
President Trump has stood by, mostly silently, as bilateral relations continued their
slow-motion collapse, demonstrating his essential irrelevance to much of U.S. foreign policy.
For instance, he allowed the State Department to announce the latest expulsion of Russian
diplomats. This is one area where his gut instincts -- the value of an improved relationship --
are correct, but what he personally believes obviously doesn't much matter for policy. That
could change as he asserts himself with a new secretary of state and national security advisor,
but they both have hawkish instincts and have demonstrated no interest in détente with
Moscow.
Despite the diplomatic spiral, however, there is no new Cold War. And there won't be a hot
war unless Washington ignites a confrontation while pursuing an ever more interventionist and
activist foreign policy in areas viewed as vital by Russia.
The first, perhaps most dominant ingredient of the Cold War is missing: ideological
competition. America remains aggressive internationally, determined to transform the world in
its image, or at least in its interest. Of course, invading Iraq, nation-building in
Afghanistan, blowing up Libya and messing around in Syria all failed dramatically -- even
disastrously. Nevertheless, so far Washington's governing elite appears to have learned
nothing.
In contrast, Vladimir Putin clearly grasped the lessons of the Soviet Union's collapse. He
is a pragmatic authoritarian, rather than a communist. His ambitions look far more traditional,
like that of the Tsar and the Russian Empire. His government's greatest concerns are
maintaining control, gaining respect for Russia's interests and safeguarding its
boundaries.
Putinism is no philosophy. It is just traditional authoritarian nationalism. Even those in
the West who seem to admire him -- reactionary conservatives, intolerant nationalists and
wannabe authoritarians -- are more enamored of his methods than his person. There is no
Putinist version of the Comintern, no global Putinist revolutionary movement devoted to world
conquest. Putin cares about the world only insofar as it affects Russia.
Second, Russia's foreign policy is essentially conservative and restrained, though not
pacifist. (In contrast, America's is unconstrained and frankly militarist.) This approach
explains the conflicts in Georgia and Ukraine, as well as attempts to influence American and
European elections. The United States views expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders as the
natural evolution of American global domination. Moscow considers the incorporation of Ukraine
into the alliance created to constrain Russia as a security threat, rather as Washington might
view Mexico's entry into the Warsaw Pact. While to Americans Moscow is wildly inflating the
threat -- in truth, the idea of the Europeans attacking Russia sounds like the plot for a
fantasy movie -- the United States has not suffered multiple invasions from its European
neighbors.
Moreover, Putin and many other Russians believe the West violated its commitment not to
expand the transatlantic alliance eastward. Perhaps Presidents George H. W. Bush and Bill
Clinton merely encouraged the Gorbachev and Yeltsin governments to believe what they wanted.
However, newly declassified diplomatic records help explain Moscow's anger. To that must be
added the dismemberment of Serbia, long linked to Russia, and "color revolutions," always to
Moscow's detriment. Again, one can imagine the reaction of U.S. policymakers most exercised
over Vladimir Putin had Russia backed a street putsch against a democratically elected,
pro-American president in Mexico City. Such does not justify Moscow's reaction, but it helps
explain it.
Putin wants to disrupt and divide those countries most directly threatening Russia
(ironically, his actions have done more to unite the fractious transatlantic alliance). He also
wants to prevent NATO from incorporating Georgia and Ukraine (in this he has been more
successful). Ironically, there was nothing in his early years in power which suggested animus
toward the West. Rather, he appeared to be a typically cynical and worldly KGB officer
determined to enhance his nation's domestic power and international standing. From his
perspective Russia's foreign policy is just business, nothing personal.
Even Putin's Syrian adventure demonstrates the limits of his ambition. He backed a long-time
ally to thwart what would be another aggressive U.S. advance. Far from threatening to dominate
the Middle East, Moscow is seeking to preserve a small role in a region long dominated by
America, which is allied with Israel, Jordan, Egypt, and the Gulf States. Only pretentious
Washington policymakers, who successively intervened militarily to oust established governments
in three Middle Eastern countries and backed an ally's invasion of a fourth country would have
the chutzpah to accuse Russia of aggressive designs for supporting a recognized government in
one.
Third, the world no longer is bipolar. China and the European Union both enjoy economic
wealth and power akin to that of the United States, even though Americans remain wealthier and,
at least until the Trump administration, were the primary drivers of international economic
policy. Beijing is building a significant military while the Europeans are capable of doing so,
in whatever form they desire. India is moving onto center stage as well, with virtually
unlimited possibilities in the future.
In a broad sense the Europeans are on America's side while the People's Republic of China
(PRC) backs Russia, but the divisions are far more complex than during the Cold War. Several
European governments have resisted U.S.-led sanctions against Moscow as well as other American
initiatives, while the PRC and Russia are friends out of necessity, mostly drawn together by
Washington's hostility. Such an alliance, if it deserves to be called that, likely will prove
of little value if truly tested. There is no "Evil Empire," as President Ronald Reagan once
characterized the Soviet Union and its satellite states.
Fourth, there are no essential conflicts between Washington and Moscow. There are no
disputed territories, no vital regions occupied by the opposing power. Neither nation has any
interest in conquering the other. The only genuine area of conflict is the desire of American
policymakers to impose their will virtually everywhere on earth, including areas of
long-standing Russian interest. U.S. policy is an inverted form of the Monroe Doctrine: Other
nations are not allowed to exercise influence even in their own neighborhood. Washington
desires to treat the world as it originally deigned to handle Latin America, viewing any
outside interference as "the manifestation of an unfriendly disposition toward the United
States."
This irrationally aggressive approach is evident in Syria, a long-time ally of Moscow.
American policymakers speak with outrage at Russia's military involvement in one nation even
though Washington has spent decades intervening -- often militarily -- virtually everywhere
else in the region: Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Israel, Yemen, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait and the
other Gulf States. Similarly misguided are Washington's complaints about Russian involvement in
Central Asia, which any map shows to be a lot closer to Russia than America. The denizens of
the District of Columbia might aspire to a world in which America dominates every region, but
such an objective is not important let alone vital to the nation's security. And such an overly
ambitious and unsustainable policy certainly is not worth war.
As for Europe, despite the frenzied complaints of the Baltic states and Poland, there is no
evidence of any aggressive Russian designs. And why would there be? The meal would be
indigestible. Indeed, nearing eighteen years in power Putin has gained nothing but Crimea,
which probably was welcomed by a majority of residents. Beyond that influence over South
Ossetia, Abkhazia, and the Donbass is a pretty pitiful empire, while the United States has
bombed, invaded, occupied and/or dismembered several states. If he was biding his time then he
made a huge error, since the Europeans are finally taking steps to create a more effective and
better coordinated continental defense.
Even if Moscow were to win against a Baltic state, Russia would only gain ravaged territory
along with enduring enmity, brutal sanctions and military retaliation. Worse, if NATO chose to
fight -- as it almost certainly would -- Russia would lose the war. Unsurprisingly, Putin has
done nothing to suggests he wants anything other than to secure Russia itself, a goal he has
advanced by destabilizing, but not conquering, Georgia and Ukraine, to prevent their inclusion
in NATO. The easiest way for Washington to avoid conflict with Moscow is to not
advance its security guarantees and military deployments to Russia's borders in Asia.
Fifth, Russia is no match militarily to the United States. Despite the widespread wailing
and gnashing of teeth about the tragically underfunded American military, Washington spends ten
times as much on the armed services as does Moscow. Congress sometimes votes larger annual
increases in outlays than Russia's total annual expenditures.
Such comparisons obviously are imperfect, but only in nuclear weapons does Moscow have
relative military parity. It possesses one aircraft carrier, sort of, versus ten American
carrier groups. The Russian air force and air defense system are competent, and would force the
Pentagon to plan a war without absolute air superiority, for once, but they likely would not
prevail. The Putin government has rebuilt the army after its less than stellar performance in
Georgia, but there is no adjoining American territory for Moscow to invade. And Russia lacks
air or naval lift to reach the United States, and would regret arriving if it could.
Which leaves Europe. However, the continent enjoys almost twelve times Russia's economic
strength -- Italy alone (as well as Germany, the United Kingdom and France) has a larger GDP
than Russia. The Europeans already spend upwards of five times as much on the military as
Moscow; collectively the United Kingdom, France, and Germany, despite their anemic efforts,
devote almost two and a half times as much as Russia to the military.
True, the Europeans suffer problems of interoperability, coordination, and deployment.
Nevertheless, the idea that Moscow could successfully attack America and Europe is a fantasy.
While the allies should prepare for any eventuality, the primary responsibility should fall on
Europe, which both is relatively more vulnerable and entirely capable of defending itself.
How to pull U.S.-Russia relations out of their tailspin? Federal, state, and local officials
should defend the one vital interest at stake, the integrity of American democracy. Of course,
Washington would have greater credibility in doing so if it acknowledged having interfered in
scores of democratic elections worldwide, including in Russia. U.S. policymakers should stop
meddling to help America's foreign friends, improve electoral safeguards at home, and prepare
to retaliate in response to future interference by Russia or anyone else.
Washington should end the diplomatic tit-for-tats. Communication channels need to remain
open. The more people -- businessmen, tourists, students, family members, athletes, performers
and others -- who visit each way, the better. This would be one way to demonstrate that this is
not Cold War II.
The United States also should address Moscow's security concerns. American policymakers
express shock and sadness that anyone anywhere fears the United States, but any nation on
Washington's naughty list should worry about covert or overt efforts at regime change. The
United States and Europeans should explore a settlement with Russia involving Georgia and
Ukraine which includes the end to NATO expansion. In return, the Putin government would stop
supporting anti-Kiev rebels. Moscow isn't going to return Crimea, which historically was part
of Russia: the United States and Europe should de facto accept the annexation, dropping
sanctions if Moscow stops undermining Ukraine's territorial integrity.
On other issues -- Syria, Iran, North Korea and more -- the two sides should return to
old-fashioned compromise. Russian interests are legitimate and need to be taken into account.
Along the way Washington should look for ways to loosen the China-Russia partnership. The PRC
poses a far greater long-term challenge to America. A friendlier Moscow, like India, could act
as an important counterweight to Beijing.
The state of the U.S.-Russia relationship is bad, but it is not Cold War II. Washington
should ensure that relations do not further deteriorate. The Russian Federation is too
important a country to treat as an enemy. No one would gain from a new conflict, whether cold
or hot.
Doug Bandow is a Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute and a former Special Assistant to
President Ronald Reagan. He is author of Foreign Follies: America's New Global Empire
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Yves Smith Yves
here. Even though most readers no doubt know that the military-industrial complex is the moving
force behind our regular exercises in nation-breaking, it's still instructive to have data on
the scale of America's arms scales. The author, William Hartung, notes that US weapons often
make their way to our enemies. From the perspective of the arms makers, that's a feature, not a
bug.
It's one of those stories of the century that somehow never gets treated that way. For an
astounding 25 of the past 26 years, the United States has been the leading arms dealer on the planet, at some
moments in near monopolistic fashion. Its major
weapons-producers, including Boeing, Raytheon, and Lockheed Martin, regularly pour the latest
in high-tech arms and munitions into the
most explosive areas of the planet with ample assistance from the Pentagon. In recent years, the
bulk of those arms have gone to the Greater Middle East. Donald Trump is only the latest
American president to preside over a global arms sales bonanza. With remarkable enthusiasm,
he's appointed himself America's number one weapons salesman and he couldn't be prouder of the
job he's doing.
Earlier this month, for instance, on the very day Congress was debating whether to end U.S.
support for Saudi Arabia's brutal
war in Yemen, Trump engaged in one of his favorite presidential activities: bragging about
the economic benefits of the American arms sales he's been promoting. He was joined in his
moment of braggadocio by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the chief architect of that
war. That grim conflict has killed thousands of civilians
through indiscriminate air strikes, while putting millions at risk of death from famine,
cholera , and other "natural" disasters caused at least in part by a Saudi-led
blockade of that country's ports.
That Washington-enabled humanitarian crisis provided the backdrop for the Senate's
consideration of a bill co-sponsored by Vermont independent Senator Bernie Sanders, Utah
Republican Senator Mike Lee, and Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy. It was aimed at
ending U.S. mid-air refueling of Saudi war planes and Washington's additional assistance for
the Saudi war effort (at least until the war is explicitly authorized by Congress). The bill
generated a vigorous
debate . In the end, on an issue that wouldn't have even come to the floor two years ago,
an unprecedented 44 senators voted to halt this country's support for the Saudi war effort. The
bill nonetheless went down to defeat and the suffering in Yemen continues.
Debate about the merits of that brutal war was, however, the last thing on the mind of a
president who views his bear-hug embrace of the Saudi regime as a straightforward business
proposition. He's so enthusiastic about selling arms to Riyadh that he even brought his very
own prop to the White House meeting with bin Salman: a U.S.
map highlighting which of the 50 states would benefit most from pending weapons sales to
the prince's country.
You undoubtedly won't be surprised to learn that Michigan, Ohio, and Florida, the three
crucial swing states in the 2016 presidential election, were specially highlighted. His latest
stunt only underscored a simple fact of his presidency: Trump's arms sales are meant to promote
pork-barrel politics, while pumping up the profits of U.S. weapons manufacturers. As for human
rights or human lives, who cares?
To be fair, Donald Trump is hardly the first American president to make it his business to
aggressively promote weapons exports. Though seldom a highlighted part of his presidency,
Barack Obama proved to be a weapons salesman par excellence. He made
more arms offers in his two terms in office than any U.S. president since World War II,
including an astounding
$115 billion in weapons deals with Saudi Arabia. For the tiny group of us who follow such
things, that map of Trump's only underscored a familiar reality.
On it, in addition to the map linking U.S. jobs and arms transfers to the Saudis, were
little boxes that highlighted four specific weapons sales worth tens of billions of dollars.
Three of those
that included the THAAD missile defense system, C-130 transport planes, P-8 anti-submarine
warfare planes, and Bradley armored vehicles were, in fact, completed during the Obama years.
So much for Donald Trump's claim to be a deal maker the likes of which we've never seen before.
You might, in fact, say that the truest arms race these days is between American presidents,
not the United States and other countries. Not only has the U.S. been the world's top arms exporting nation
throughout this century, but last year it sold
one and a half times as much weaponry as its closest rival, Russia.
Embracing Lockheed Martin
It's worth noting that three of those four Saudi deals involved weapons made by Lockheed
Martin . Admittedly, Trump's relationship with Lockheed got off to a rocky start in
December 2016 when he tweeted
his displeasure over the cost of that company's F-35 combat aircraft, the
most expensive weapons program ever undertaken by the Pentagon. Since then, however,
relations between the nation's largest defense contractor and America's most self-involved
president have warmed considerably.
Before Trump's May 2017 visit to Saudi Arabia, his son-in-law, Jared Kusher, new
best buddy to Mohammed bin Salman, was put in charge of cobbling together a
smoke-and-mirrors, wildly exaggerated
$100 billion-plus
arms package that Trump could announce in Riyadh. What Kushner needed was a list of sales
or potential sales that his father-in-law could boast about (even if many of the deals had been
made by Obama). So he
called Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson to ask if she could cut the price of a THAAD
anti-missile system that the administration wanted to include in the package. She agreed and
the
$15 billion THAAD deal -- still a huge price tag and the most lucrative sale to the Saudis
made by the Trump administration -- went forward. To sweeten the pot for the Saudi royals, the
Pentagon even
waived a $3.5 billion fee normally required by law and designed to reimburse the Treasury
for the cost to American taxpayers of developing such a major weapons system. General Joseph
Rixey, until recently the director of the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which
granted that waiver, has since
gone directly through Washington's revolving door and been hired by -- you guessed it --
Lockheed Martin.
In addition, former Lockheed Martin executive John Rood is now the Trump administration's
undersecretary of defense for policy , where one of his responsibilities will be to weigh
in on don't be shocked! major arms deals. In his confirmation hearings, Rood refused to say
that he would recuse himself from transactions involving his former employer, for which he was
denounced by Senators John McCain and Elizabeth Warren. As Warren
asserted in a speech opposing Rood's appointment,
"No taxpayer should have to wonder whether the top policy-makers at the Pentagon are pushing
defense products and foreign military sales for reasons other than the protection of the United
States of America No American should have to wonder whether the Defense Department is acting to
protect the national interests of our nation or the financial interests of the five giant
defense contractors."
Still, most senators were unfazed and Rood's nomination sailed through that body by a vote
of 81 to 7. He is now positioned to help smooth the way for any Lockheed Martin deal that might
meet with a discouraging word from the Pentagon or State Department officials charged with
vetting foreign arms sales.
Arming the Planet
Though Saudi Arabia may be the largest recipient of U.S. arms on the planet, it's anything
but Washington's only customer. According to the Pentagon's annual tally of major agreements
under the Foreign Military Sales program, the most significant channel for U.S. arms exports,
Washington entered into formal agreements to sell weaponry to 130
nations in 2016 (the most recent year for which full data is available). According to a
recent
report from the Cato Institute, between 2002 and 2016 the United States delivered weaponry
to 167 countries -- more than 85% of the nations on the planet. The Cato report also notes
that, between 1981 and 2010, Washington supplied some form of weaponry to 59% of all nations
engaged in high-level conflicts.
In short, Donald Trump has headed down a well-traveled arms superhighway. Every president
since Richard Nixon has taken that same road and, in 2010, the Obama administration managed to
rack up a record $102 billion in foreign arms offers. In a recent
report I wrote for the Security Assistance Monitor at the Center for International Policy,
I documented more than $82 billion in arms offers by the Trump administration in 2017 alone,
which actually represented a slight increase from the $76 billion in offers made during
President Obama's final year. It was, however, far lower than that 2010 figure,
$60 billion of which came from Saudi deals for F-15 combat aircraft, Apache attack
helicopters, transport aircraft, and armored vehicles, as well as guns and ammunition.
There have nonetheless been some differences in the approaches of the two administrations in
the area of human rights. Under pressure from human rights groups, the Obama administration
did, in the end,
suspend sales of aircraft to Bahrain and Nigeria, both of whose militaries were significant
human rights violators, and also a $1 billion-plus deal for precision-guided bombs to Saudi
Arabia. That
Saudi suspension represented the first concrete action by the Obama administration to
express displeasure with Riyadh's indiscriminate bombing campaign in Yemen. Conducted largely
with U.S. and British supplied aircraft, bombs, and missiles, it has included strikes against
hospitals, marketplaces, water treatment facilities, and even a funeral. In keeping with his
focus on jobs to the exclusion of humanitarian concerns, Trump
reversed all three of the Obama suspensions shortly after taking office.
Fueling Terrorism and Instability
In fact, selling weapons to dictatorships and repressive regimes often fuels instability,
war, and terrorism, as the American war on terror has vividly demonstrated for the last nearly
17 years. U.S.-supplied arms also have a nasty habit of ending up in the hands of America's
adversaries. At the height of the U.S. intervention in Iraq, for instance, that country's armed
forces lost track of
hundreds of thousands of rifles, many of which made their way into the hands of forces
resisting the U.S. occupation.
In a similar fashion, when Islamic State militants
swept into Iraq in 2014, the Iraqi security forces abandoned
billions of dollars worth of American equipment, from small arms to military trucks and
armored vehicles. ISIS promptly put them to use against U.S. advisers and the Iraqi security
forces as well as tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. The Taliban, too, has gotten its hands
on
substantial quantities of U.S. weaponry, either on the battlefield or by buying them at
cut-rate, black market prices from corrupt members of the Afghan security forces.
In northern Syria, two U.S.-armed groups are now fighting each other. Turkish forces are
facing off
against Syrian Kurdish militias that have been among the most effective anti-ISIS fighters and
there is even an ongoing risk that U.S. and Turkish forces, NATO allies, may find themselves in
direct combat with each other. Far from giving Washington influence over key allies or
improving their combat effectiveness, U.S. arms and training often simply spur further conflict
and chaos to the detriment of the security of the United States, not to speak of the peace of
the world.
In the grim and devolving conflict in Yemen, for instance, all sides possess at least some
U.S. weaponry. Saudi Arabia is, of course, the top U.S. arms client and its forces are a
catalogue of American weaponry, from planes and anti-tank missiles to cluster bombs, but
hundreds of millions of
dollars in U.S. military aid were also provided to the forces of Yemeni autocrat Ali Abdullah
Saleh during his 30 years of rule before he was driven from power in 2012. Later, however, he
joined forces
with the Houthi rebels against the Saudi-led intervention, taking large parts of the Yemeni
armed forces -- and their U.S.-supplied weapons -- with him. (He would himself be
assassinated by Houthi forces late last year after a falling out.)
Trump's Plan: Make It Easier on Arms Makers
The Trump administration is poised to release a new policy directive on global arms
transfers. A report by
Politico , based on interviews with sources at the State Department and a National
Security Council (NSC) official, suggests that it will seek to further streamline the process
of approving arms sales, in part by increasing the already extensive role of U.S. government
personnel in promoting such exports. It will also remove what a National Security Council
statement has described as "unreasonable constraints on the ability of our companies to
compete." In keeping with that priority, according to the NSC official, "the administration is
intent on ensuring that U.S. industry has every advantage in the global marketplace."
In January, a Reuters
article confirmed this approach, reporting that the forthcoming directive would emphasize
arms-sales promotion by U.S. diplomats and other overseas personnel. As one administration
official told Reuters, "We want to see those guys, the commercial and military attaches,
unfettered to be salesmen for this stuff, to be promoters."
The Trump administration is also expected to move forward with a plan, stalled as the Obama
years ended, to
ease controls on the export of U.S. firearms. Gun exports now licensed and scrutinized by
the State Department would instead be put under the far-less-stringent jurisdiction of the
Commerce Department. Some firearms could then be exported to allies without even a license,
reducing the government's ability to prevent them from reaching criminal networks or the
security forces of potential adversaries.
In September 2017, Democratic senators Ben Cardin, Dianne Feinstein, and Patrick Leahy sent
a letter to then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson raising concerns about such a change. As they
wrote ,
"Combat firearms and ammunition are uniquely lethal; they are easily spread and easily
modified, and are the primary means of injury, death and destruction in civil and military
conflicts throughout the world. As such they should be subjected to more -- not less --
rigorous export controls and oversight."
If Trump's vision of an all-arms-sales-all-the-time foreign policy is realized, he may scale
the weapons-dealing heights reached by the Obama administration. As Washington's
arms-dealer-in-chief, he might indeed succeed in selling American weaponry as if there were no
tomorrow. Given the known human costs of unbridled arms trafficking, however, such a presidency
would also ensure that whatever tomorrow finally arrived would prove far worse than today,
unless of course you happen to be a major U.S. arms maker.
I think a point often overlooked is that US arms sales are not just a means for the US to
spread its influence and fuel wars. Its also the primary manner in which foreign countries
purchase influence in the US (and Russia, and France, and the UK). The Gulf States have long
recognised that strategic arms purchases have more utility for the influence they buy, than
the firepower they purchase. You can see this in the manner that they spread purchases across
the major powers, carefully balancing everyone out. The Saudi's are looking to buy S-400's at
the same time as buying THAADs. Qatar is buying equal amounts of US and European combat
aircraft for exactly the same reason.
Its important to remember that when there is no monopoly on suppliers, the buyer has more
power than the vendor. There is no monopoly on weaponry. Its the rich arms buyers who have
all the leverage. When the US focuses on arms sales as a central foreign policy objective, it
is by definition handing over power to rich arms purchasers.
I believe that nations, like individuals, have their own unique karma and destiny (as well
as the free will to alter it if self aware).
The Law of Karma is like the Law of Gravity. It does not care one whit whether you believe
in it or not, or as the Romans said, "The mills of the gods grind slowly. Though very coarse,
nothing slips through."
Like a lot of similar pieces, this one is naive and borderline dishonest.
There are two basic reasons for arms sales. One is that foreign sales keep production lines
moving and (with luck) feed through into lower unit costs for your own forces. The second is
acquiring and maintaining strategic influence. The US is in a particularly strong position
for the latter, since they effectively control the supply of spare parts through the Foreign
Military Sales system, and can thus ground any air force which uses their aircraft. Of course
the influence is not all one way (as PK says, it's a buyer' market and has been for a while)
but the essential point is that it's about acquiring and maintaining political leverage, not
fighting wars. Indeed, in the case of Saudi Arabia, there has been a clear understanding
since the 1960s (when the British sold Lightning fighters) that what the Saudis were buying
was not primarily military equipment but protection and influence. This lasted until the
present insane leadership in Riyadh decided to rip up the bargain.
From reading this you might think that all arms sales go to the Arab Middle East, which has
never been true. Not only does a lot of US weaponry go to Israel, whose US-made aircraft have
been dropping US-made weapons on civilians for decades without any protest, but countries
such as Canada, Australia, Japan, Korea and most of NATO are also major purchasers. In 1991,
when liberal internationalists supported the war to evict the Iraqis from Kuwait, I asked
them where they imagined the equipment their armed forces would use actually came from. I
asked the same question of human rights advocates who wanted to bomb Serbia in 1999 to "free
the Kosovars" and were simultaneously against the "arms trade". In both cases, as I recall,
reactions included, but were not limited to, threats of physical violence and mutilation.
It's true that small arms are the major killers in conflict today, but the idea that export
controls of them would stop wars, is, I'm afraid, naive. Experts will tell you that almost
all wars today (Yemen is a good example) are fought with weapons that already exist. In the
majority of cases these are not US or Western weapons, which are too expensive and
sophisticated, but Kalashnikovs (model 47 and later) which people can be taught to operate in
a couple of days, and which are often third or fourth hand, many being Chinese copies I saw
plenty of them in Yemen. Certainly, US weapons found their way into the wrong hands in Iraq,
which was stupid, but it wasn't small arms that made the difference. As the article admits,
it was mainly vehicles (including the ubiquitous Nissan) driven by deserters from the Iraqi
Army.
The article incorporates a common fantasy of solving complicated problems with simple
solutions, which we would all like to be true, but unfortunately isn't.
feed through into lower unit costs for your own forces.
Doesn't pumping out massive amounts of weapons to be used to slaughter people all over the
world simply so your own armed forces can get the volume discount strike you as more than a
little perverse?
But I'm not sure that's really the case at all because since when has Uncle Sugar ever
been concerned about the cost of the weapons it purchases? Remember the no-bid contract? And
was there ever a war the US declined to fight because we just couldn't it? Somehow we always
fund the funds, but not when it comes to health care, education and the other services a
civil society requires – those are always somehow too expensive.
And on top of all that, this is a website which promotes MMT so I'm sure you are aware
that taxes do not fund expenditures so there is no need to mass produce arms for other
nations to keep prices low for ours.
I said "with luck", because it often doesn't work like that. But there are cases (logistic
vehicles etc.) where it does seem to have happened, at least for certain countries. I admire
your pacifist principles, but I admire much less the many people who flip in an instant from
demanding an end to the "arms trade" in general, to demanding that we arm this or that
allegedly "friendly" group, or intervene militarily against whoever is the hate figure of the
day. Arming groups in Syria, for example, was a stupid idea anyway, for all sorts of
political and strategic reasons. But I doubt that increased the level of violence in a
country already awash with weapons.
I was pointing out that the article is quite wrong to suggest there's any shortage of small
arms in the world: there is probably a massive surplus, and they are already in the hands of
criminal and terrorist groups, not least in Europe. That particular horse left the stable so
long ago people have forgotten what color it was.
You are right about MMT, of course, but unfortunately government spending isn't yet managed
on that basis.
I'm guessing that those who want to poke holes in any statement of the problem and
discussion of possible changes, that does not involve just throwing up of hands and more of
the same, will get the same kind of reference to how "complex" it all is.
Wealth gets generated by "the economy." Deciders get to decide, whether at the
"government" or corporate level, what that wealth gets channeled into. The "politics" is what
humans have been doing since the species became "civilized.," killing and looting and raping
and taking other humans' stuff and the wealth they have in turn extracted. The "complexity"
is now the global interlocking manufacture and marketing of ever more complicated (and even
simple, like the AK-47, that Northwest Afghanis can make with hand tools not even machine
shop stuff) weapons, and all the code and "doctrine" and strategies and tactics that also get
fought over, and the mind set that goes along with the creation and perception of "threats"
and the countering thereof and attempts to leapfrog to world-dominating ascendancy in the
ability to do mass destruction: "Full spectrum dominance," and all that, in the "Global
Network-Centric Interoperababble Battlespace."
Millions, ever-increasing millions, of humans get their paychecks from the whole
operation, the manufacture and marketing and distribution and maintenance and "deployment"
and activation and use of weapons of all levels of complexity, and have their "careers" and
:opportunities" tied to just more-of-the-same-but-bigger-faster-more-destructive idiocy.
That notation that encourages the sense of futility by telling us that "wars that get
fought (at the ground-game level) with weapons that alreadyalready exist" kind of skips over
the whole business of how those weapons got to "already exist," and of course passes over the
bit about how stuff like guided antitank and antiaircraft missiles actually do "change the
game," when the armamentarians of some Great Power manage to deliver a bunch of them to
"insurgents" in support of some Grand Bit Of Geopolitics or other.
I guess I missed the supposed part of the article that laid out some "fantasy of solving
complicated problems with simple solutions." Sure looks to me a lot more like an accounting
and display of some of the pathogenic features of the US part (mostly) of the whole World At
War structure that has as its capstone the soon to be more "usable" nuclear weapons, and
cyber bombing, and 'WE don't do chemical and biological warfare except in defense of our
Nation" stuff that one has to expect, going by past practices, is lurking in the dark of some
labs where monomaniacal and sociopathic 'scientists" and policy and military players live --
as they have since besiegers lobbed infected human and animal carcasses, and "Greek Fire" and
such, over the 'civilized" walls of "civilized" towns and cities. (We are told that "Joshua
fought the battle of Jericho" with sound weapons of some sort -- it's right there in the Holy
Bible, the Hebrew part of it at least )
But we must preserve the Narrative, and the flows of trillions of dollars and other
currencies into the machinery that sure looks to be headed toward grinding us humans to
radioactive or just high-explosive dust, or full-metal-jacket-pierced rotting carcasses to.
Be tossed over other walls )
Remember the motto of LockheedMartin -- "We Never
Forget Who We Are Working For." And who, exactly, is "who ?"
It's the idea, reflected in the article, that we could end war by ending arms sales. The
idea goes back to the 1930s, and doesn't improve with age. Anyone who thinks that some of
these crises have simple solutions is welcome to post themselves off to the Middle East.
That's a BS reading of the article. And we aren't saying the crisis themselves have simple
solutions, we are saying that arming the (family blog) out of everybody with a grievance
tends to kind of undercut the rule of law, dontcha know?
At best, if people want to kill each other we need to not be the people that supply them
with the means.
Regarding the weapons falling into the hands of enemies, there was a statistic published
with no comment in a recent Harper's index that the US had sold 175 military helicopters to
an Afghan military that had 4 people capable of flying them.
The added bonus is that they will make additional money by having to pay for consultants
and professional trainers to teach the locals how to use complex weapons.
In some cases, they made end up even captured by enemy forces. ISIS for example captured a
number of US AFVs manufactured for the Iraqi government. Sometimes said captured weapons end
up being used against the American military.
In even more strange cases, American defence contractors have been known to sell weapons
for nations that are hostile to the US. They care only about getting rich .
Two interconnected thoughts on US propaganda and the US Military Industrial Complex :
1) The American people are the most propagandized people in the history of history. This is
done not simply through the more predictable outright lies of the mass media but also in
innumerable ways including the false history of the education system, the pictures presented in
commercial ads that normalize definitions of "Americanism", lies of omission throughout the
press (the liberal press is particularly bad here), the film industry, manipulation of language
throughout institutions and so forth.
One of the central themes of this propaganda apparatus is to make US citizens think of
things exclusively in terms of "us", and not of "them." US citizens may put yellow ribbons on
their SUV's to commemorate losses of US lives- (2 thousand KIA; 20K WIA), but there is little
acknowledgement of The Other lives destroyed by US imperialism- (2 million dead, mostly
civilians).
Americans may speak about what the war does to the IT'S countries national finances (e.g.
taxes), but rarely about the destroyed infrastructures and collapsed economies of the Iraqi,
Libyan, Yemeni people etc.
One of the many tragedies of modern Amerika is the complete lack of empathy with the plight
or suffering of anyone who isn't Us- a by-product of being socially isolated from others.This
is not by accident. Of course the M$M isn't going to disturb US with the truth about Amerikan
capitalism or US imperialism- it's bad, not only for business, but for 'politics' as well.
The vast propaganda apparatus (including virtually all educational institutions) of the US
ruling class and its media accomplices is a major factor in the difficulties Americans have in
identifying the reasons behind and the devastating impacts of the non-stop US imperialist wars.
A significant part of this brainwashing is in how the idea is beaten into the heads of the US
populace that their interests are (and should be) aligned with the interests of the US economic
elites and the political class that rubber stamps these imperial slaughters for the profits of
those elites.
This false identification of the American working class with the American capitalist
state rather than with the global working class plays a huge role in duping ordinary citizens
as to the actual and malevolent intent of those who formulate US foreign policy.
This problem appears clearly in the language that the media (including most of the lib/prog
media) use in the U.S. This repeatedly seen in such language as, "Have we learned anything from
My Lai?", "We should not have invaded Iraq", "Why are we in Afghanistan?" and so forth.
Of course '"we", the American working class, did not invade Iraq e.g., that was done by the
U.S. capitalist state. This is not just a matter of language. It reveals a serious obstacle,
national identifications, and is utilized to whip up patriotic fervor as well as to disguise
the reality that those same elites are oppressing the working class citizens here at home in a
thousand different ways.
Once it is understood how the domestic repression and economic collapse in this country is
directly connected to the slaughter abroad that support for these imperial crimes evaporates
overnight.
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2) An important aspect to the US Military/Industrial/Financial/Media complex is how it
operates within the political/economic system as a guarantor of large profits for the investor
class due to the massive and guaranteed subsidy it receives from the US taxpayer.
There is a consistent fallacy throughout the liberal intelligentsia that has variations such
as "it's a pointless war" or "a failed strategy" or "there is no end game" and on and on, which
stems from the misunderstanding of the primary functions of these imperial assaults.
Beyond the obvious reasons of plunder the US capitalists have been able to secure the US
Military apparatus as a large-scale business scheme which has a large and guaranteed return on
investment.
In short the investor class is investing someone's else's money (the US taxpayer) for their
"enterprise" (Read: wholesale slaughter and theft of other people's lands and resources) so
even when there are losses those are foisted on to the public's account. And whatever "gains"
there are, they flow in the direction of the business class while the costs are extracted from
the working class.Of course the political sector (your "elected official") validates all of
this through the legislative processes and it becomes what is known as "policy."
This is not exclusive to the more "adventurous" US Military/Industrial actions such as
imperial wars but also entails an entire web of activities both foreign and domestic that
create "investment opportunities" for Wall St. Any and everything from massive boondoggles like
the F-35 to more "modest" programs like radio systems, high frequency antennas, BMS software,
data terminals, touch tablets, field service representatives, and of course all of the training
for installation, operation and maintenance.
So you see all of this is done quite legally (with legality being defined within and by a
corrupt system) and all of this is maintained through a massive propaganda system that hides
the mechanics and realities of the how's and why's of what a Trillion Dollars a Year War
Department really entails.
The Ukraine military shot down another airliner some years before when a missile aimed at a
training drone missed and locked on to the airliner.
I think the Kiev side had been directing airliners across the war zone along the path of
planned bombing runs to allow Ukraine military jets to fly the same course *below* the
airliner and use the airliner's much bigger radar signature (huge compared to a military jet)
as protection i.e. if a missile was fired and missed it might lock on to the airliner
instead.
I don't think the US side wants to admit their allies were using airliners as human
shields and the Russians don't want to admit their surface to air missiles ignore civilian
IFF (as they must in a war zone) hence why both side's stories feel unconvincing.
Apart from the politics it's important because if missiles treat civilian IFF as foe then
it means airliners need to be kept a very long way from any mid-tech war zone.
The parallels are pretty clear. In the case of both 9/11 and this Malaysian airliner, the
western mainstream media had their story ready to go as soon as it happened. And then when
all the evidence starts accumulating that this story is untrue, cannot possibly be true, they
simply ignore all of it. In fact anybody who brings it up is immediately tarred as a
"conspiracy theorist".
Re: "The Ukraine would have no need to shoot AA missiles since so called Rebels had no air
force at the time "
The Kiev regime had no need to put anti-aircraft batteries in the area at all, but they
did!
Please everybody, get real.
Its been months since the shooting down of MH 17 and despite all the accusations made by
the US government and the Kiev regime at the time, not one single piece of credible evidence
has been produced. Obviously the information is being suppressed, and even more obviously it
is not being withheld to protect the rebels or the Russians.
Under Artimovsk there is a gigantic weapons cache. Is it possible that the plane was
downed so that Western investigators could look into an inventory of that site and assess
what the Separatists removed from said weapons dump? Chemical, Nuclear, Biological weapons
stocks?
The HQ for the crash site investigation was set up in Soledar which is a very close to the
Salt Mine cave entrance.
The passengers were just collateral damage in the contest over weapons stocks.
And here is an assessment of the non-surface-to-air-BUK (or 'red herring') theory, going with
the pics and reports of two fighter jets -Ukrainian – seen on each side of MH-17 :
Ray B. March 07, 2015
Here is my analysis, from an ex-Boeing aero engineer standpoint:
The Boeing 777 was initially at 33,000 feet. The aircraft, therefore, was above the Su-25's
ceiling, as listed at wikipedia. (Service ceiling: 7,000 m (22,965 ft) clean,
5,000 m (16,000 ft) with max weapons) I am aware of the Comments both that this is an
artificial, CIA-changed figure and that Su-25 pilots have reached at least 30,000 feet with
supplemental oxygen. For the purpose here, it does not matter. I am presuming the Su-25 was
carrying only two R-60 air-to-air missiles, which are low drag. So, the service ceiling in
this case would have been around 21-22,000 feet. (The upgrades to the Su-25 did not include
engine or aerodynamic changes, so are unlikely to have increased the ceiling.) The 777 was
well within reach of the R-60s, though (66,000 ft, Mach 2.7). As a non-maneuvering, transport
aircraft, it would have been laughably easy to hit. I would have salvoed both missiles, both
for increased hit-chance and to avoid coming back with only one missile (very noticeable, as
opposed to just empty pylons). The above would tie-in with ret. Col Zhilin's testimony. Most
reports indicate the accompanying-fighter was closing from the rear, which is the most
advantageous for infrared guidance. With infrared guidance, the missile would home-in
directly on the hottest area – the engine exhaust. The warhead would probably detonate
in the exhaust cone or adjacent to it. In the Boeing 777, the engine is slung well out in
front of the wing. The expanding-rod warhead would rip up the engine but probably not take
out the wing or flight control cabling. The 'hit' (or hits) might indeed be survivable.
Today's jet engines are built with FAA-mandated 'containment shields'.
They are meant to contain high-velocity fan/compressor/turbine blades if something causes
them to shear off. They are basically armored 'cans' surrounding the rotating
parts. A missile detonating inside this 'can' might have the expanding-rods contained,
rather than punching through the nacelle and into the fuselage. If detonating on the far side
of the 'can' from the fuselage, much the same result Also, Zhilin says, " the Boeing turned
180 degrees to the left." This would be the direct result of losing thrust on the left
engine. The pilots were probably more concerned with staying in the air (under control) than
their heading http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/
commercial/startup/pdf/777_perf.pdf "Engine-out altitude capability (MTOW, ISA + 10°C)
Basic: 16,200 ft Maximum Weight: 15,600 ft" After the 777's engine was hit and disabled by
the R-60, the 777 would have descended to around 15-16,000 feet. That is the standard
one-engine-out 'cruise' altitude as above. It may have been lower with the damage.
If I were the pilot, I would have been on a circling descent through and below that
altitude, looking for a nearby airport or good field. Since the R-60 has
such a small warhead, the pilots may not even have known they were hit by a missile and
assumed a simple engine-out problem. That could account for the lack of initial
reporting.
This descent would have put the 777 well within the Su-25's (wikipedia) altitude
capability. So, it would have been possible at that point to conduct a 'strafing' run with
the 30mm cannon. With the 777 turning, that may have presented the opportunity for whatever
angle shot the fighter pilot wanted. As various Commenters have noted, there seems to have
been a concentration on the cockpit and avionics bay. (Grrr.)
Unfortunately, with the 'secrecy agreement' in place, I see no way that any important
evidence will be revealed, barring a Snowden-like mass-release by someone with a
Conscience
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"... One of the most salient points I find, is the fact that no vapour trail had been observed or photographed from the ground. A vapour condensation trail remains visible for quite some time and is visible for I would think at least 15 minutes. ..."
Someone may already have commented on it, but it's impossible to read all the comments.
One of the most salient points I find, is the fact that no vapour trail had been
observed or photographed from the ground. A vapour condensation trail remains visible for
quite some time and is visible for I would think at least 15 minutes.
Surely in this day and age when virtually everyone carries a cell phone capable of
making pictures, such evidence should be available. But apparently there is not.
As a test it would be interesting if Russia would in front of the international press
test fire a BUK missile.
I would very much appreciate comments on this particular aspect of the catastrophe.
Thank you in anticipation.
The JIT in its 29/9 report showed a picture of a smoke trail. If that had been the smoke
trail of the BUK that alledgedly shot down MH 17 than that picture would without a shadow of
doubt been splashed over al the western media within hours. Hundreds may by thousands would
have seen it and scores of pictures and videos would have been taken. The very fact that JIT
now comes up with a smoke trail (which could have been taken any where) proves that it is a
fake. If that is a fake all the other pictures are most likely fakes. Mr Eliot Higgins should
have done better.
Despite the Dutch whitewash (report) which could only be called the 'likely' & 'probably'
'we love to point any finger at Putin report', material at odds with the western line
continues to come out:
The Dutch investigators "can't decipher" the radar data provided by the Russians. As well,
Dutch police have confiscated from journalists raw footage of new witness interviews that
will no doubt be shared with Ukraine as a party to the investigation, endangering those
persons who provided the information on condition of confidentiality:
The lengths Dutch Prime Minister publicly went (serving quote 'geopolitical interests') to
get the EU-Ukraine association agreement ratified the clear rejection by advisory referendum
notwithstanding, ought to make any well informed reader suspicious of how far Rutte went out
of public sight to serve those same 'geopolitical interests' by manipulating both the
investigation and public opinion in relation to MH17.
Rutte recently demonstrated his fealty to those 'geopolitical interests' again. When asked
if new evidence was presented in the Skripal case to justify the Netherlands support for the
UK, Rutte answered that 'such evidence wasn't necessary because May had stated that it was
highly likely that Russia was responsible'.
The Dutch Government got a UN mandate to perform the investigation and as such that part
of the investigation had to be transparent.
Clearly to serve those 'geopolitical interests' the Dutch separated the technical
investigation from the legal liability investigation. The technical investigation was
performed under the UN mandate and the second legal liability investigation was organized
separate from any UN mandate.
The Dutch, Australian, Belgium government colluded with the Ukrainians to organize a
'Joint Investigation Team' which under the cover of performing a legal investigation refuses
any transparency and at regular intervals hints that indictments are close but not there
yet.
Also the Dutch Transport Safety Board technical investigation has concluded that the
UkSATSE should have closed the Air Control area above Eastern Ukraine, but the Dutch
government has thus far never taken any action to hold the Ukrainians responsible for that
failure even when 3 days before MNH17 a AN-24 was downed from 6500m and UkSATSE (joint
civil-military ATC) continued to control some 100 civil air liners a day over that area. The
Dutch simply accepted that the Ukraine lost all relevant radar data.
News
4th June 2014
UkSATSE ensures safety in Ukrainian sky under any conditions
Ukrainian State Air Traffic Services Enterprise (UkSATSE) informs that the enterprise keeps
on providing the whole range of air navigation services. It ensures flight safety in the
airspace of Ukraine, airdromes of Ukraine and in the international airspace over the high
seas at the relevant level. Moreover, UkSATSE ensures trouble-free operation of branches of
Joint Civil-Military System of Air Traffic Management of Ukraine irrespective of foreign
interference in work of air traffic services bodies in Crimea and at the East of Ukraine.
Actually this "Who shot down MH17?" is the wrong question.
The question is "Who is liable?".
Shooting down aircraft above a war zone is SOP. If a civilian air liner is guided and
controlled over such war area where 3 days earlier an AN-24 has been downed from 6500m one
really ought to question the competence and liability of the ATC involved. That ATC authority
UkSATSE as a joint civil-military ATC was fully informed about the situation and still
continued to guide some 100 civil air liners ad day for three days over that war zone.
Shooting down a civil air liner over a war zone is tragic but not necessarily always a
crime. There was no motive for the East Ukrainians, but as shown by the relentless
exploitation by the Kiev puppet regime this Kiev regime most definitely had a motive.
Any liability investigation with the Ukrainian secret service as an investigator like in
the Dutch/Australian/Ukraine Joint investigation Team simply can't be trusted to even look
for the truth. The JIT was set up with the intention of evading the transparency requirements
associated with the UN mandated investigation.
Thinking people smelled a rat in the case of MH17 straight off. No sensible person can fail
to smell it now. Just a few considerations:
1. Donbass freedom fighters (and, by extension, Russia) were blamed by the US, its vassals,
and its client states like Ukraine even before the debris cooled down. Only the perpetrators
could have known designated "guilty party" without any investigation.
2. Satellite pictures promised by Kerry four years ago never materialized. The only logical
conclusion is that the perpetrators were not those accused by the US, and the pictures would
have revealed real perpetrators, which the US did not want to happen.
3. Malaysia, the owner of that airplane, was not allowed to participate in the investigation.
Apparently, someone was afraid that it might not play ball. This can only happen when the
"investigators" meant to hide the truth, not to reveal it.
4. The UK, Australia, the Netherlands, and one of the suspects, Ukraine, signed a
non-disclosure agreement. It makes no sense unless one or more of the signatories is
guilty.
5. The "investigation" is going on for four years, longer than any investigation in the
history of civil aviation. The experience shows that a lot less time is needed to uncover the
truth. Thus, the length of this "investigation" shows that the real purpose is cover-up.
6. Ukraine never provided the records of pilots' communications with air traffic controllers,
or any other air traffic control records. Thus, it must have had something to hide.
One can continue in this vein, but what's the point? Suffice it to say that all international
airlines drew their conclusions: they fly over Russia, but avoid Ukrainian airspace, like
they avoid Iranian and North Korean airspace. Sapienti sat.
In my blog 'contraviews' http://www.contraviewing.blogspot.com post 148
you will find a recording of the conversation (mentioned in this article) between the
Estonian Foreign Affairs Minister Urmas Paet and EU Foreign Policy chief Catherine Ashton. Go
to the year 2014 in the margin and scroll down to post 148. One may find more interesting
articles on MH17.
See my comment nr 230: There is not one investigation. The Dutch manipulated this into two
separate investigations. There was a technical UN mandated transparent Dutch Safety Board
investigation. The Dutch organized a second criminal investigation together with Australia,
Belgium and the Ukraine and instigated A Joint Investigation Team (JIT).
Yes. I can understand the Dutch government: they serve the US overlords first and
foremost. They don't give a hoot about the lives of ordinary Dutch people. What I do not
understand is the behavior of the people who lost loved ones in MH17 crash. Don't they want
to know who killed them? Don't they object to being grist for the mill of amoral and cynical
politicians?
"... You think in one dimensional. The warfare & alliance is moving very dynamic, Russia & China are working in all fronts together if you watch carefully. Military & energy are appetizer. Petrol Yuan & BRI are main course. Joint dev of C929 civil plane, space program, agri, .its Eurasia century. ..."
"... Skripal false flag & 2 dozen countries expelling diplomats is full display of bizarre brute force destroying entire international norms. You need to resist before more countries succumb to West pressure. ..."
"... If West can orchestrate diplomatic boycott of Russia, won't China be next? When you see smoke, there is fire. When neighbor house is burning, it will spread to yours. But here you are saying, not my problem let China save its own ass until fire spread to yours. ..."
Oh, we have a copypaste contest? Okay then, i'd copy here my reply at saker's blog
too.
No, i just wanna remind you again, Russia & China have to fight as a team, each with
their best strength, Russia-military, China-economic.
> China will be blackmailed into submission.
Wooop! Then it is not "existential threat" for China.
Clash for power, clash for sovereignty, clash of prosperity -- but not for survival.
If one energy supply is been fully controlled, you are doomed.
> Russia & China are working closely
Which does not mean China's role is making harsh dyplomatic statements in favor of
Russia. At least it was not so before today. So i think it is not today either.
It has very wide implication, West is able to pressure dozens of countries to bend on
false flag, it will spread further to Asia & elsewhere. China will be next. Nib the
bud.
Also remember that Chinese social mindset is build upon idea of "indebting with gifts
and aids" and then requesting payback when they need it.
Since when has the West & Russians, or anyone are more kind than Chinese, giving
without expectation of return of at least gratitude from a Russian like you?
Which means Russia should be very wary about accepting any help from China unless it
wishes to be seen by China as a deeply indebted beggar incapable of sustaining itself.
Yes Russia should, there is never free lunch. But would it be better for Russia to team up
with China to enjoy economic benefits at fair term with a safe South border, than getting
raped by the West again with another hostile South neighbor (China could join West to plunder
Russia, taking back outer Manchuria Siberia land).
And since diplomatic situation for Russia is not deadly critical I do not think Russia
needed that newspaper article. If Russia would request China's support of the kind -- it
would be in official diplomatic venues like UN.
No need to wait for UK US to close all Russia embassies with global sanction like what NK
get. See further my friend.
> Russia needs to save Syria for its own skin
> Iran needs to save its skin
But is it so for China? Is China in critical need of sovereign and friendly Syria? I
doubt it.
Sure Syria is not China concern, but for aftermath implications.
- Stop West eastward
aggression. - BRI node in ME - Uyghur terrorists - West control of all ME Energy supply
Was that article reaction to some new threat to Syria, to russia, or to China itself?
And i believe in the latter option. This article is not linked to any recent events around
Russia, it is caused by Sino-American relations shift.
You think in one dimensional. The warfare & alliance is moving very dynamic,
Russia & China are working in all fronts together if you watch carefully. Military &
energy are appetizer. Petrol Yuan & BRI are main course. Joint dev of C929 civil plane,
space program, agri, .its Eurasia century.
Skripal affair is much less than Olympics was. Even European states many did not jumped
Skripal wagon.
who care about Olympics beside some bruise Russkies pride, Skripal false flag & 2
dozen countries expelling diplomats is full display of bizarre brute force destroying entire
international norms. You need to resist before more countries succumb to West pressure.
Open your narrow vision.
-- but if Russia would soemhow gets politically isolated from the West, what bad is it
for China? Russia would become more dependent on China, like many of the trade with West
would had to go through Chinese "laundry". China gets more influence over Russia. Russia
gets much more limited in its options. Good (for China) develoment, why hurry to cancel it
before Russia even asked for ?
You have asked yourself a good qn, why not joint the West vultures to feast on Russia
bear? Sure, West aggression to Russia is godsend gift to China. But Chinese leaders think
further than greedy West capitalist. Better to have strong Russia as safe Northern backyard
than a Nato military threat encirclement (which Russia dream to join but too bad,
rejected)
> You are silly self center viewer
Frankly, it is exactly the opposite here.
It is you who claim Russia being behing that article in Global Time.
It is me who claims Russia has no any relation to the timing and wording of that
article.
I never claim Russia is solely behind that article. Its entire geopolitical dynamic
situation. If West can orchestrate diplomatic boycott of Russia, won't China be next?
When you see smoke, there is fire. When neighbor house is burning, it will spread to yours.
But here you are saying, not my problem let China save its own ass until fire spread to
yours.
> China special force is operating in Syria.
Maybe it is, but seems no one ever saw those operations.
Open secret. Like Russia, its to fight Chinese terrorists there instead of in China. Also
real war game training by Russia, too good deal to miss.
> Lot of weapons supply to SAA.
Maybe they are, but can you name those Chinese weapons and show me where SAA is
employing it?
It was reported in open news, Syria visited Beijing, then China announced it had old
weapon contracts to fulfil..who will pay? Likely those infantry weapons, ammunition,
artillery, TAW, uniform & gears, whatever construction materials while Russia take care
of high tech equip like S400.
> always throwing allies under bus whenever possible,
.because Putin is evil and just enjoys every opportunity to do bad thing. Always.
I wish i would hear somethign remotely creative from you.
> hence Russia deserve to be raped by West like 1990 is natural.
Oh, i see. Yet another russophobic preaching that "Russians should repent and repay,
repay, and repent", then frustrated when Russia shrugs this lecture off.
I'm Russophile & Putin's fan if you read my comments history. But fact is Russia did
that, which is foolish short sighted. If West has offered Russia G8 on equal term + Nato,
Russia won't hesitate to throw Syria, Iran, China immediately under bus. Then be ready for
another rape fantasy. The West just don't love Russians, no matter how much she plead &
give.
If all Russians think like you, now let China get all the blows since its their trade war,
so Russkies should rest & enjoy the firework, then another bigger 1990′s rape is
awaiting your country.
You have just shown Chinese what its like to be in alliance with Russia.
"... It doesn't matter that China has a larger economy. Their economy can be suffocated so long as they are denied a link to Europe through Eurasia. ..."
The point is not to block off China, the point is to block off China AND Russia from
Europe. Also trade from other Eurasian countries is going to be discouraged unless it goes
through the Straits that the West controlls, but obviously Russia and China are the big
players here.
Russia has a lot of gas and natural resources that the West and ME countries do not want
going to Europe.
And, as you said, the west has many ways of neutralizing China. So to the West, Russia is
the bigger threat since either country could act as a bridge to Europe but Russia has many
more paths of creating these links than China has.
Russia is being singled out, and is being targeted before China, because of Mackinder and
the need to control the "Heartland". Read up on Mackinder as he has a huge influence on the
west.
The empire sees Russia as the greater threat because only Russia and not China is a
threat to control the Heartland and thus the world. This is the real motivation behind
everything.
It doesn't matter that China has a larger economy. Their economy can be
suffocated so long as they are denied a link to Europe through Eurasia.
"... Frankly, Saker reads too much into this Chinese article. It is not about Russia. It is not because Skrypal hoax dialed ritual Russophobia over eleven. It just is a coincidence. Yet before loosing the elections Hillary was promising military war with Russia. Yet before winning the elections Trump was promising economic war with China. ..."
"... Russia`s biggest weakness is the incompetent, useless leaders they had from the 80`s to Yeltsin. The mess that the USSR left behind with unstable states on its borders with no treaty to prevent NATO expansion was a huge gift to the US that just keeps giving!! ..."
"... I`ll go as far as saying this gift to the US might lead to Russia`s end as a country in its present form. You can hardly blame the US I mean in 1990 Russia agreed to basically throw the towel in and live in a US dominated world in practice. Whatever they say about promises at the time that lasted for as long as their breath was warm ..."
"... the problem right now is the Imperial US (ruled from Israel). If it succeeds in destroying Russia, then the Chinese are irrelevant, and have nothing to say about anything. ..."
"... The US public are irretrievably useless and are going to have to go the whole way, with WW3 and/or an economic collapse, with the best bet being on WW3 (which they may well lose). ..."
"That tells you all you need to know about the difference between modern Britain and
the government of Vladimir Putin. They make Novichok, we make light sabers. One a hideous
weapon that is specifically intended for assassination. The other an implausible theatrical
prop with a mysterious buzz. But which of those two weapons is really more effective in the
world of today?".
(Boris Johnson)
Let's begin this discussion with a few, basic questions.
Question one: does anybody
sincerely believe that "Putin" (the collective name for the Russian Mordor) really attempted to
kill a man which "Putin" himself had released in the past, who presented no interest for Russia
whatsoever who,
like Berezovsky , wanted to
return back to Russia , and that to do the deed "Putin" used a binary nerve agent? Question
two: does anybody sincerely believe that the British have presented their "allies" (I will be
polite here and use that euphemism) with incontrovertible or, at least, very strong evidence
that "Putin" indeed did such a thing? Question three: does anybody sincerely believe that the
mass expulsion of Russian diplomats will somehow make Russia more compliant to western demands
(for our purposes, it does not matter what demands we are talking about)? Question four: does
anybody sincerely believe that after this latest episode, the tensions will somehow abate or
even diminish and that things will get better? Question five: does anybody sincerely believe
that the current sharp rise in tensions between the AngloZionist Empire (aka the "West") does
not place the Empire and Russia on collision course which could result in war,
probably/possibly nuclear war, maybe not deliberately, but as the result of an escalation of
incidents?
If in the zombified world of the ideological
drones who actually remain in the dull trance induced by the corporate media there are most
definitely those who answer "yes" to some or even all of the questions above, I submit that not
a single major western decision maker sincerely believes any of that nonsense. In reality,
everybody who matters knows that the Russians had nothing to do with the Skripal incident, that
the Brits have shown no evidence, that the expulsion of Russian diplomats will only harden the
Russian resolve, that all this anti-Russian hysteria will only get worse and that this all puts
at least Europe and the USA, if not the entire planet, in great danger.
And yet what just happened is absolutely amazing: instead of using fundamental principles of
western law (innocent until proven guilty by at least a preponderance of evidence or even
beyond reasonable doubt), basic rules of civilized behavior (do not attack somebody you know is
innocent), universally accepted ethical norms (the truth of the matter is more important than
political expediency) or even primordial self-preservation instincts (I don't want to die for
your cause), the vast majority of western leaders chose a new decision-making paradigm which
can be summarized in two words:
"highly likely" "solidarity"
This is truly absolutely crucial and marks a fundamental change in the way the AngloZionist
Empire will act from now on. Let's look at the assumptions and implications of these two
concepts.
First, "highly likely". While "highly likely" does sound like a simplified version of
"preponderance of evidence" what it really means is something very different and circular:
"Putin" is bad, poisoning is bad, therefore it is "highly likely" that "Putin" did it. How do
we know that the premise "Putin is bad" is true? Well -- he does poison people, does he
not?
You think I am joking?
Check out this wonderful chart presented to the public by "Her Majesty's government"
entitled "A long pattern of Russian malign activity":
In the 12 events listed as evidence of a "pattern of Russian malign activity" one is
demonstratively false (2008 invasion of Georgia), one conflates two different accusations
(occupation of Crimea and destabilization of the Ukraine), one is circular (assassination of
Skripal) and all others are completely unproven accusations. All that is missing here is the
mass rape of baby penguins by drunken Russian sailors in the south pole or the use of a secret
"weather weapon" to send hurricanes towards the USA. You don't need a law degree to see that,
all you need is an IQ above room temperature and a basic understanding of logic. For all my
contempt for western leaders, even I wouldn't make the claim that they all lack these. So here
is where "solidarity" kicks-in:
"Solidarity" in this context is simply a "conceptual placeholder" for Stephen Decatur 's famous " my
country, right or wrong " applied to the entire Empire. The precedent of Meine Ehre
heißt Treue just slightly rephrased into Meine Ehre heißt
Solidarität also comes to mind.
Solidarity simply means that the comprador ruling elites of the West will say and do
whatever the hell the AngloZionists tell them to. If tomorrow the UK or US leaders proclaim
that Putin eats babies for breakfast or that the West needs to send a strong message to "Putin"
that a Russian invasion of Vanuatu shall not be tolerated, then so be it: the entire
AngloZionist nomenklatura will sing the song in full
unison and to hell with facts, logic or even decency!
Solemnly proclaiming lies is hardly something new in politics, there is nothing new here.
What is new are two far more recent developments: first, now everybody knows that these are
lies and, second, nobody challenges or debunks them. Welcome to the AngloZionist New World
Order indeed!
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of
it.
(John 8:44)
ORDER IT NOW
Over the past weeks I have observed something which I find quite interesting: both on
Russian TV channels and in the English speaking media there is a specific type of anti-Putin
individual who actually takes a great deal of pride in the fact that the Empire has embarked on
a truly unprecedented campaign of lies against Russia. These people view lies as just another
tool in a type of "political toolkit" which can be used like any other political technique. As
I have mentioned in the past, the western indifference to the truth is something very ancient
coming, as it does, from the Middle-Ages: roughly when the spiritual successors of the Franks
in Rome decided that their own, original brand of "Christianity" had no use for 1000 years of
Consensus Patrum .
Scholasticism and an insatiable thrust for worldly, secular, power produced both moral
relativism and colonialism (with the Pope's imprimatur in the form of the Treaty of Tordesillas
). The Reformation (with its very pronounced Judaic influence) produced the bases of modern
capitalism which, as Lenin correctly diagnosed, has imperialism as its highest stage. Now that
the West is losing its grip on the planet (imagine that, some SOB nations dare resist!), all of
the ideological justifications have been tossed away and we are left with the true, honest,
bare-bones impulses of the leaders of the Empire: messianic hubris (essentially self-worship),
violence and, above all, a massive reliance on deception and lies on every single level of
society, from the commercial advertisements targeted at children to Colin Powell shaking some
laundry detergent at the UNSC to justify yet another war of aggression.
Self-worship and a total reliance on brute force and falsehoods -- these are the real
"Western values" today. Not the rule of law, not the scientific method, not critical thought,
not pluralism and most definitely not freedom. We are back, full circle, to the kind of
illiterate thuggery the Franks so perfectly embodied and which made them so infamous in the
(then) civilized world (the south and eastern Mediterranean). The agenda, by the way, is also
the same one as the Franks had 1000 years ago: either submit to us and accept our dominion, or
die, and the way to accept our dominion is to let us plunder all your riches. Again, not much
difference here between the sack of the First Rome in 410, the sack of the Second Rome in 1204
and the sack of the Third Rome in 1991. As psychologists well know, the best predictor of
future behavior is past behavior.
Interestingly, the Chinese saw straight through this strategic psyop and they are now
sounding the alarm in their very official Global Times : (emphasis added)
The accusations that Western countries have hurled at Russia are based on ulterior
motives, similar to how the Chinese use the expression "perhaps it's true" to seize upon the
desired opportunity. From a third-person perspective, the principles and diplomatic logic
behind such drastic efforts are flawed, not to mention that expelling Russian diplomats
almost simultaneously is a crude form of behavior. Such actions make little impact other than
increasing hostility and hatred between Russia and their Western counterparts ( ) The fact
that major Western powers can gang up and "sentence" a foreign country without following the
same procedures other countries abide by and according to the basic tenets of international
law is chilling. During the Cold War, not one Western nation would have dared to make such a
provocation and yet today it is carried out with unrestrained ease. Such actions are nothing
more than a form of Western bullying that threatens global peace and justice. ( ) It is
beyond outrageous how the US and Europe have treated Russia. Their actions represent a
frivolity and recklessness that has grown to characterize Western hegemony that only knows
how to contaminate international relations. Right now is the perfect time for non-Western
nations to strengthen unity and collaborative efforts among one another. These nations need
to establish a level of independence outside the reach of Western influence while breaking
the chains of monopolization declarations, predetermined adjudications and come to value
their own judgment abilities. ( ) The West is only a small fraction of the world and is
nowhere near the global representative it once thought it was. The silenced minorities within
the international community need to realize this and prove just how deep their understanding
is of such a realization by proving it to the world through action.
As the French say " à bon entendeur, salut! ": the Chinese position is crystal
clear, as is the warning. I would summarize it as so: if the West is an AngloZionist doormat,
then the East is most definitely not.
[Sidebar: I know that there are some countries in Europe who have, so far, shown the courage
to resist the AngloZionist Diktat . Good for them. I will wait to see how long they can
resist the pressure before giving them a standing ovation]
The decision, therefore, lies here in the East; here must the Russian enemy, this
people numbering two hundred million Russians, be destroyed on the battlefield and person by
person, and made to bleed to death
(Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler)
Still, none of that explain why the leaders of the Empire have decided to engage in a
desperate game of "nuclear chicken" to try to, yet again, force Russia to comply with its
demands to "go away and shut up". This is counter-intuitive and I get several emails each week
telling me that there is absolutely no way the leaders of the AngloZionist Empire would want a
war with Russia, especially not a nuclear-armed one. The truth is that while western leaders
are most definitely psychopaths, they are neither stupid nor suicidal, and neither were
Napoleon or Hitler! And, yes, they probably don't really want a full-scale war with Russia. The
problem is that these rulers are also desperate, and for good cause.
Let's look at the situation just a few months ago. The US was defeated in Syria, ridiculed
in the DPRK, Trump was hated in Europe, the Russians and the Germans were working on North
Stream, the British leaders forced to at least pretend to work on Brexit, the entire
"Ukrainian" project had faceplanted, the sanctions against Russia had failed, Putin was more
popular than ever and the hysterical anti-Trump campaign was still in full swing inside the
USA. The next move by the AngloZionist elites was nothing short of brilliant: by organizing a
really crude false flag in the UK the Empire achieved the following results:
The Europeans
have been forced right back into the Anglosphere's fold ("solidarity", remember?) The Brexiting
Brits are now something like the (im-)moral leaders of Europe again. The Russians are now
demonized to such a degree that any accusation, no matter how stupid, will stick. In the
Middle-East, the US and Israel now have free reign to start any war they want because the
(purely theoretical) European capability to object to anything the Anglos want has now
evaporated, especially now that the Russians have become "known chemical-criminals" from Ghouta
to Salisbury At the very least, the World Cup in Russia will be sabotaged by a massive
anti-Russian campaign. If that campaign is really successful, there is still the hope that the
Germans will finally cave in and, if maybe not outright cancel, then at least very much delay
North Stream thereby forcing the Europeans to accept, what else, US gas.
This is an ambitious plan and, barring an unexpected development, it sure looks like it
might work. The problem with this strategy is that it falls short of getting Russia to truly
"go away and shut up". Neocons are particularly fond of humiliating their enemies (look at how
they are still gunning for Trump even though by now the poor man has become their most
subservient servant) and there is a lot of prestige at stake here. Russia, therefore, must be
humiliated, truly humiliated, not just by sabotaging her participation in Olympic games or by
expelling Russian diplomats, but by something far more tangible like, say, an attack on the
very small and vulnerable Russian task force in Syria. Herein lies the biggest risk.
The Russian task force in Syria is tiny, at least compared to the immense capabilities of
CENTCOM+NATO. The Russians have warned that if they are attacked, they will shoot down not only
the attacking missiles but also their launchers. Since the Americans are not dumb enough to
expose their aircraft to Russian air defenses, they will use air power only outside the range
of Russian air defenses and they will use only cruise missiles to strike targets inside the
"protection cone" of the Russians air defenses. The truth is that I doubt that the Russians
will have the opportunity to shoot down many US aircraft, at least not with their long-range
S-300/S-400 SAMs. Their ubiquitous and formidable combined short to medium range surface-to-air
missile and anti-aircraft artillery weapon system, the Pantsir, might have a better chance
simply because it's location is impossible to predict. But the real question is this: will the
Russians shoot back at the USN ships if they launch cruise missiles at Syria?
My strictly personal guess is that they won't unless Khmeimim, Tartus or another large
Russian objective (official Russian compounds in Damascus) are hit. Striking a USN ship would
be tantamount to an act of war and that is just not something the Russians will do if they can
avoid it. The problem with that is this restraint will, yet again, be interpreted as a sign of
weakness, not civilization, by the "modern Franks" (visualize a Neanderthal with a nuclear club
in his fist). Should the Russians decide to act à la American and use violence to
"send a message", the Empire will immediately perceive that as a loss of face and a reason to
immediately escalate further to reestablish the "appropriate" hierarchy between the
"indispensable nation" and the "gas station masquerading as a country". So here is the dynamic
at work
Russia limits herself to words of protests ==>> the Empire sees that as a sign of
weakness and escalates
Russia responds in kind with real actions==>> The Empire feels humiliated and
escalates
Now look at this from a Russian point of view for a second and ask yourself what you would
do in this situation?
The answer, I think, is obvious: you try to win as much time as possible and you prepare for
war. The Russians have been doing exactly that since at least early 2015.
For Russia this is really nothing new: been there, done that, and remember it very, very
well, by the way. The "western project" for Russia has always been the same since the
Middle-Ages, the only difference today is the consequences of war. With each passing century
the human cost of the various western crusades against Russia got worse and worse and now we
are not only looking at the very real possibility of another Borodino or Kursk, and not even at
another Hiroshima, but at something which we can't even really imagine: hundreds of millions of
people die in the course of just a few hours.
How do we stop that?
Is the West even capable of acting in a different way?
There is one actor which might, perhaps, stop the current skid towards Armageddon: China.
Right now, the Chinese have officially declared that they have what they call a "
comprehensive strategic partnership of cooperation " later shortened to " strategic
partnership ". This is a very apt expression as it does not speak of an "alliance": two
countries of the size of Russia and China cannot have an alliance in the traditional sense --
they are too big and different for that. They are, however, in a symbiotic relationship, that
both sides understand perfectly (see this
White Paper for details). What this means in very simple terms is this: the Chinese cannot
let Russia be defeated by the Empire because once Russia is gone, they will be left one on one
with a united, triumphal and infinitely arrogant West (likewise I would argue that Russia
cannot afford to have Iran defeated by the Empire for exactly the same reasons, and neither can
Iran let the Israelis destroy Hezbollah). Of course, in terms of military power, China is a
dwarf compared to Russia, but in terms of economic power Russia is the dwarf when compared to
China in this "strategic community of interests". Thus, China cannot assist Russia militarily.
But remember that Russia does not need this if only because military assistance is what you
need to win a war. Russia does not want to win a war, Russia desperately needs to avoid a war!
And here is where China can make a huge difference: psychologically.
Yes, the Empire is currently taking on both Russia and China, but everybody, from its
leaders to its zombified population, seems to think that these are two, different and separate
foes. [We can use this opportunity to most sincerely thank Donald Trump for so "perfectly"
timing his trade war with China.] They are not: not only are Russia and China symbionts who
share the same vision of a prosperous and peaceful Eurasia united by a common future centered
around the OBOR and, crucially, free from the US dollar or, for that matter, from any type of
major US role, but Russia and China also stand for exactly the same notion of a post-hegemonic
world order: a multi-polar world of different and truly sovereign nations living together under
the rules of international law. If the AngloZionists have their way, this will never happen.
Instead, we will have the New World Order promised by Bush, dominated by the Anglosphere
countries (basically the ECHELON members, aka the "Five Eyes") and, on top of that pyramid, the
global Zionist overlord. This is something China cannot, and will not allow. Neither can China
allow a US-Russian war, especially not a nuclear one because China, like Russia, also needs
peace.
I don't see what Russia could do to convince the Empire to change its current course: the US
leaders are delusional and the Europeans are their silent, submissive servants. As shown above,
whatever Russia does it always invites further escalation from the Empire. Of course, Russia
can turn the West into a pile of smoldering radioactive ashes. This is hardly a solution since,
in the inevitable exchange, Russia herself will also be turned into a similar pile of
smoldering radioactive ashes by the Empire. In spite of that, the Russian people have most
clearly indicated by their recent vote that they have absolutely no intention of caving in to
the latest western crusade against them. As for the Empire, it will never accept the fact that
Russia refuses to submit. It therefore seems to me that the only thing which can stop
Armageddon would be for the Chinese to ceaselessly continue to repeat to the rulers of the
Empire and the people of the West what the wrote in the article quoted above: that " The
West is only a small fraction of the world and is nowhere near the global representative it
once thought it was" and "the silenced minorities within the international
community need to realize this and prove just how deep their understanding is of such a
realization by proving it to the world through action."
History teaches us that the West only strikes against those opponents it sees as defenseless
or, at least, weaker. The fact that the Popes, Napoleon or Hitler were wrong in their
evaluation of the strength of Russia does not change this truism. In fact, the Neocons today
are making exactly the same mistake. So telling them about the fact that Russia is much
stronger than what the western propaganda says and which, apparently, many western rulers
believe (you always end up believing your own propaganda), does not help. Russian "reminders of
reality" will do no good simply because the West is out of touch with reality and lacks the
ability to understand its own limitations and weaknesses. But if China stepped in and conveyed
that crucial message " The West is only a small fraction of the world " and that the
rest of the world will prove this " through action " then other countries will step in
and a war can be averted because even the current delusion-based "solidarity" will collapse in
the face of a united Eurasia.
Russia alone cannot continue to carry the burden of stopping the messianic psychopaths
ruling the Empire.
The rest of the world, led by China, now needs to step in to avert the war.
This plan for global dominance has been over 100 years in the making and has already cost
over 100 million lives so far. How likely is it for them to back off now? The Chinese are far
from stupid so it will be interesting to see how they view the situation and act.
I've stated previously that the people who really can put a halt to it are Americans
themselves but it won't be easy. The ideal situation would be a mass mutiny of US military
personnel and the line, The Empire: by way of deception thou shalt do war should probably
read, The Israeli Empire: by way of deception thou shalt do war. It would be useful to repeat
this ad nauseam until it truly sinks in for US military personnel that the US is a supplicant
to Israel and to understand who they will be fighting and dying for. A mass mutiny would be
the best way to save their families and future.
Again, not much difference here between the sack of the First Rome in 410, the sack of the
Second Rome in 1204 and the sack of the Third Rome in 1991. As psychologists well know, the
best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
But all three Romes were empires too filled with lies.
But I think that if stupid westerners won't wake up, -- nobody will help. China is big and
possibly can think that in world where no Russia, no Europe nor US/Canada are exist, some
place will still be for China.
It's "higly posssible" a mistake, but if silly westerners will continue to munch their MSM
grass their shadows will be printed on the walls of history.
Actually they deserve to be.
"Solidarity" in this context is simply a "conceptual placeholder" for Stephen Decatur's
famous "my country, right or wrong" applied to the entire Empire.
Kind of disappointed in the Saker here. Just like liberals, he omits the rest of Decatur's
famous toast: "Our country -- in her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be
in the right , and always successful, right or wrong. [ Emphasis mine. ]" Decatur
was not trying to encourage amoral behavior, such as that which we now see with the
AngloZionists running Washington.
By the way, I've heard the Russians are now telling a joke about Boris Johnson: they're
saying he was poisoned with durachok (bonehead)!
China has deep ties to the western empire. Russians would be drinking too deeply from their
own propaganda to miss this fact. Indeed, the latest crippling of Trumpist reform was lead by
heavily Chinese invested men Ryan and McConnell. Israel has a strong grip on US foreign
policy for obvious reasons, but Israel has no reason to see Russia bullied into submission.
China does.
It should be plain to any objective observer of global politics that the west is
internally incoherent and will wane in power by the crush weight of demographic change alone.
China observes this and realizes the only long-term competitor to their ascendant position,
one generation hence, is an independent Russia. Far better for the Chinese that Russia is
mortally wounded or harried into Chinese vassal status before the west breaks down into a
third world non-entity.
The real reasons for the expulsions is the revelation of Russia's next generation war
weapons. It was taken up as an invitation to fight, not to make peace, and making it as hard
as possible for Russians to either influence opinion or gather information.
Somebody wanted Skripal dead, and while it may be a useful false flag provocation, with
his involvement with the Steele Dossier a possible trigger, it could be serving more than one
purpose. As usual, we are assigning to the Russkies both more omnipotence and stupidity than
is merited. I supoose it is our own elites who believe their omniscience in surveilling all
of us means they are also smarter than the rest of us. Maybe
Well said and accurate. There is no consensus among the hoipolloi with the neocon push for
war. This will never come about. The west is desperate, no doubt, and will continue to beat
its chest, much to its own detriment. If the west intended on war, it would have come about.
Time is not on their side. The neocons have backed themselves into a corner and, therefore,
must create chaos, camouflage, obfuscation, in order to bamboozle the world until they can
safely go back into their holes. Most likely, they are looking for concessions. Remember the
Wasserman-Schuiltz spy scandal? Remember the many deadly false flags being exposed to the
public for what they are?
Frankly, Saker reads too much into this Chinese article. It is not about Russia. It is
not because Skrypal hoax dialed ritual Russophobia over eleven. It just is a coincidence. Yet
before loosing the elections Hillary was promising military war with Russia. Yet before
winning the elections Trump was promising economic war with China.
USA ruling 1% was making a strategic choice year ago.
When Trump got elected he inherited the raging war. He could not stop it, obviously. Then
he turned it overboard. He started demanding so many wars at once that US Army got
overstretched and paralyzed. Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Itan, Yemen, Korea, new European
garrisons . Trump send Army to prepare to war everywhere and now Pentagon can not scratch
together enough forces to attack anywhere specifically.
By his "clumsy and incompetent bravado" Trump neutralized the army, made and exposed it as
incapable pretend-force.
Now Trump can switch to his programme -- economic war with China.
And that is why Chinese diplomats and media run crazy. Now it is their war, not Russia's.
Now their tails are on the line. Now Russia mostly can move to backlines to lick wounds while
China would exchange blows and collect bruises.
This turned recent Chinese statements so bald and pushing. This, and not a concern for
Russia.
something the Russians might consider -- immediately cutting off all gas to Europe and
restoring such service for payment only in gold or the new "petrol yuan" . Europe depends
heavily on that Russian Gas, and such a move would re-align some European thinking. Replacing
it with US provided LPG would take far too long and be much more expensive having to be
shipped by sea
In fact, maybe if Russia, China, the other brics and aligned countries suddenly cut off
all ties to the west, it would hasten the coming economic collapse of the EU and US, and that
dreamed of multipolar world would arise from the ashes.
Better that than the ashes of a nuclear exchange I would think.
China is too smart to show its hand yet, they are building their economic & military
strength quietly, they don't want to scare the westerners yet with threats.
Russia`s biggest weakness is the incompetent, useless leaders they had from the 80`s
to Yeltsin. The mess that the USSR left behind with unstable states on its borders with no
treaty to prevent NATO expansion was a huge gift to the US that just keeps giving!!
I`ll go as far as saying this gift to the US might lead to Russia`s end as a country
in its present form. You can hardly blame the US I mean in 1990 Russia agreed to basically
throw the towel in and live in a US dominated world in practice. Whatever they say about
promises at the time that lasted for as long as their breath was warm .
A couple centuries ago the phrase "The White Man's Burden" was used to explain why
citizens of Western nations must devote resources to civilize the world. Gore Vidal used "The
Yellow Man's Burden" to explain why citizens of Asian nations were devoting so much wealth to
keep the USA and much of Europe wealthy. If our citizens suddenly lost 30% of their annual
income due to tax increases and spending cuts needed to truly balance our national budgets,
they would be outraged. They might learn that this was the result of "free trade", which
might result in revolution and wars. Those who have profited off "free trade" by selling out
their citizens know its best to let the working class learn this truth slowly.
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Trump's proclamation to pull out of Syria may be good news, but probably not. He hired
psychopath Bolton, so we can assume the US military is just consolidating forces in Iraq to
hold off attacks whilst they bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. The Iraqis aren't our allies, they just
act to get free stuff, and they will know we are not bombing Iran to save Iranians. It might
be wise to get our troops out of Iraq too!
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To answer:
Let's begin this discussion with a few, basic questions.
Question one (thru five): does anybody sincerely believe
Yes, this bimbo does, and she's the State Department spokesman. The State Department is
still infected with Clinton-hysteria and uses sexy women to spin lies so the foreign press
doesn't laugh and scorn absurd BS too loudly. The American press are just stenographers and
eagerly copy her lies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL9UxED4uuI
The problem is that Russia/USSR submitted once and the West think it can be achieved again.
Hence everything must be made clear. No partners word should be used and the West must be
clearly warned that violence of unimaginable level will be used if they dare and what will
follow if Russian force anywhere attacked and that any use of nukes against Russia means the
end of humanity.
Unfortunately acting adequately and carefully Russia never was able to avoid war. It is in
the books. Right now bets are life on earth hence being too careful and being perceived as
weak is a bad thing. Russia IMHO must act boldly. Respond to USA and UK harassment by cutting
diplomatic relations and giving straight terse warning.
I think what disturbs China about this whole situation regarding the ENTIRE Western world
(US, Canada, Western Europe, Australia) is not simply that it is an overreaction to Russia,
but the whole idea that one particular people -- the Russian people -- have once again been
SINGLED OUT for collective intimidation and eventually for possible dismemberment.
China has very long and very bitter experience of this itself. In the 19th century, the
imperial powers, for some reason, ganged up on China.
In other parts of the world, the experience of other backward peoples was with but ONE
particular Empire (ex. only the Americans vs the Amerinds, only the Spanish in South America,
only Great Britain in India and Australia, only Russians in Central Asia and Siberia, and
only Japanese in Korea. The British, French, Germans, Italians and Belgians each had separate
RIVAL spheres in Africa, and ditto for South-East Asia.
But when it came to China, ALL these competing powers set aside their differences. It's as
if they said to each other "Hey, China is so enormous and juicy, we should not fight among
ourselves, there's enough for everyone!" Unbelievably vicious.
And now, we see the same pattern. the whole Western world against Russia. I think in this
instance, the Han don't need anyone to tell them what to think -- it is 100% certain they do
not approve of what the collective West is doing.
But if China stepped in and conveyed that crucial message "The West is only a small
fraction of the world"
They can do better than this, and explicitly state that a nuclear war with Russia is a
nuclear war with China -- just to make it clear -- and let the US do some more realistic
calculations.
"war is a path of deceit. When you are strong -- pretend weak ."
Am familiar with Sun-tzu a well. But what are you saying here? That the UK is stronger
than Russia. I would definitely have to disagree with that proposition!
It should be plain to any objective observer of global politics that the west is
internally incoherent and will wane in power by the crush weight of demographic change
alone. China observes this and realizes the only long-term competitor to their ascendant
position, one generation hence, is an independent Russia.
Maybe, but the problem right now is the Imperial US (ruled from Israel). If it
succeeds in destroying Russia, then the Chinese are irrelevant, and have nothing to say about
anything.
The recent THREATENED tariffs have an INTERESTING TIMING to them. It is being used by
Washington to convince China to stay passive as the West takes down Russia. Conversely, if
China "bends the knee", then the West promises that the threats won't materialize. (The West
loves worthless promises). Washington calculates that the mere threat of tariffs will make
China stand by as a neighbor is destroyed. Any turmoil in your neighbor's house, spills over
into yours whether you want it to or not. A neighbor is a neighbor, period.
And THAT, IMHO, is why the protectionist threats are happening NOW. Don't get me wrong,
the tariffs were going to happen anyway, eventually. China, whatever it does, cannot escape
them.
But to threaten a trade war RIGHT NOW with the one power guaranteed to be Russia's
economic lifeline (we know that China couldn't care less what Russia does in its backyard, in
the Ukraine) while preparing to attack Russia itself? Well, the whole thing is WAY TOO
OBVIOUS.
And if someone like me can see, so can a lot of other people in Moscow and Beijing.
Washington thinks its being "smart", but they are so ridiculously easy to read.
No, not that UK is really stronger than Russia but appears weaker. It's that the West is
actually not capable of defeating Russia but loudly shouts that it CAN defeat them easily,
and tries to look powerful and intimidating to Russia. In this situation, the
weaker-positioned West pretends to Russia that we are stronger, and we want Russia to believe
us. That way, it won't come to actual war, and we think Russia will back down. It's an
extremely risky plan.
That could, perhaps, take minds of US citizens from shopping and social media to,
perhaps, more serious matters.
Won't hold my breath.
Taking everything into account, I think the you're right. The US public are
irretrievably useless and are going to have to go the whole way, with WW3 and/or an economic
collapse, with the best bet being on WW3 (which they may well lose).
In fact, it's very possible RUSSIA is NOT, at this time, the target of Western aggression.
Sure, the West shall SURELY try to destroy Russia, but the urgency is not there YET. Maybe
the real target right now is CHINA, shortly to have the world's largest economy in absolute
terms. They must be destroyed NOW! The West is trying to cut a deal with Russia: "Stab China
in the back, and bow down to us. You can live A LITTLE LONGER, before we come for you.
Otherwise we get pissed and kill you TODAY".
An entirely plausible master-plan from Washington, London and Paris. Also a pretty
transparent one, if it's the case. The problem with this "Divide and Conquer" plan, aside
from being easy to read, is that it counts on both Russia and China to be dumb enough to
believe they are not BOTH in the cross-hairs. How stupid does the West think China and Russia
are?
It would have a psychological effect, at most. Russia has 5,000 warheads, China only
admits to having around 500 or 600 strategic city-killers. They may have more, but if you
don't admit something it doesn't count for deterrence. Maybe a decade from now, as China
builds its arsenal, the statement could be much more effective.
No, the Chinese are surely disgusted with this bullying behavior of the West (even many
Europeans are, just read the comments to the news in the different media outlets) but China
cannot seriously confront the West. That would make them lose trillions of dollars in exports
and investments and put an abrupt end to their miraculous but still ongoing economic
development. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
The situation will continue to deteriorate until some sort of modus vivendi is reached
(like at the beginning of the first Cold War). Or perhaps it's just been too long since the
last World War and the time is ripe for the next one.
As for the Skripal murder attempt, it's hard to imagine Putin ordering it at this time and
in that manner but it's not that hard to imagine someone from the Kremlin sewers being behind
it.
In the somewhat less likely scenario of a false flag operation, I would consider an
Israeli asymmetrical response to the recent downing of their jet by the Syrians with obvious
help from the Russians. They have plenty of experience in extraterritorial assassinations and
more than enough knowledge to fabricate a Russian-like nerve agent.
I respect and value Saker as a commentator on Russian and military affairs. Those are his
areas of expertise and professional experience. I do not value him as a historian, because
there enters into his writing a clear bias. I respect the fact of his commitment to his
Orthodox faith, but I don't appreciate being almost hammerlocked into having to take a side
in his prejudices.
He has a way of lumping 1,000 years of exceedingly complex history into what amounts
practically to silly formulas that remind one of adolescent pique. West is characterized by
"thuggery," whereas the "East," is presumably the source -- and is possibly the monopoly --
of the virtues Saker has in mind, while Western-like manifestations of military violence and
conquest are unknown there.
And there is this pearl: "Scholasticism and an insatiable thrust for worldly, secular,
power produced both moral relativism and colonialism " This is downright embarrassing in its
silliness. Of course, after deep study of Aquinas or Bonaventure the light comes on: moral
relativism! Clearly, subtlety and essential distinctions are not the Saker's strong points,
to say the least, when it comes to registering his annoyance and bitterness in his 1000 year
view of "the West," whereas sweeping and frankly spectacularly inept generalizations are. One
is really tempted to accuse him of a lack of intellectual integrity when it comes to these
matters.
At root, Saker is a highly emotional and touchy "rooter" for Orthodoxy. Fine, that's his
right, but he is no scholar. One looks in vain either for impartiality, for breadth and depth
of understanding and sympathy, and hence for generosity of spirit. Thankfully, there are many
great scholars of history, East and West.
In the 19th century, the imperial powers, for some reason, ganged up on
China.
That's the opposite of reality. If they had ganged up on China, each would have taken
large piece for itself. In reality, they were overawed by China, and tried to preserve it
much as they tried to preserve Ottoman rule against both breakup and dismemberment by Russia.
The Ottomans were too far gone, so they failed in both respects. But they did manage to
prevent China's breakup while failing to keep Russia from annexing a large chunk of Chinese
territory.
Heck, they even helped China defeat the millenarian Taiping rebels who racked up a large
body count during their rebellion. Note that when the Jurchens detected internal rebellion
during the Ming dynasty, they waited until the imperial armies were occupied with rebel
suppression before delivering the coup de grace to the Ming dynasty. The Western powers were
too tied up competing with each other to really cooperate in anything more than avenging the
honor of their envoys and getting trading posts set up on Chinese territory.
By "ganging up" I refer to the way in which China was COLLECTIVELY FORCED to extend any
and all concessions granted any single Imperial Power to ALL Imperial powers. And all the
Imperial powers were on-board with this policy , again as a unified group.
For example, if Russia forced a railroad treaty on China, China by unequal, at-gun-point
"Treaty" with the Eight Powers (at the time Great Britain, France, Japan, Germany, Russia,
The United States, Austria-Hungary and Italy) would also have to grant EVERYONE railroad
concessions in their respective zones.
Or say if China was forced to open trade relations by America, China would automatically
be forced to open trade to EVERYONE ELSE , and even the instigators in that case, the United
States, would force China to do it. All in the name of the relevant Treaties, of course.
Also by mutual agreement among the imperial powers, they would not support China in any
efforts to get better terms in any negotiation with any other power . So Russia refused to,
say provide support for Chinese efforts to fend off the Japanese, though normally it might
have done so. This was because, both being part of the Imperial Powers grouping, Russia and
Japan had agreed to co-exist in mutual exploitation of China.
It was all designed so that China would have no ability to shift its favor diplomatically
from one power to another, but had to negotiate from a position of deliberately imposed
weakness. Diplomacy was the only tool available to China in that execrably weak state,
pathetic as that tool was. By collective agreement among the Empires, that tool was taken
away.
In effect, exploitation of China became a COOPERATIVE project between such disparate
rivals as Britain, France and Germany, or United States, Japan and Russia. Such a thing, of a
coordinated desire to apportion one country among many, was not seen anywhere else in the
Colonial Age .
That is my meaning when I referred to the Empires "ganging up" on China.
How absurd. The foremost producer of virtually all modern goods is irrelevant without
Russia? A weakened Russia is a boon to Chinese expansion into their desired role as Eurasian
leader state. The only irrelevant nations are in the West as their post-national suicide
becomes all the more certain.
Ridiculous, China needs Russia as Russia is a perfect complement to Chinas weaknesses. In
fact, neither China nor Russia could have picked a better strategic partner than each other
as neither country could confront the West on it's own but together the West cannot topple
either nation. No other combination between countries would provide near as much
synergies.
China is not looking to expand into Russia. Why would they when they have a shrinking
population. They are expanding into the SCS in order to keep their oil lines free.
The real strategic advantage Russia and China have with each other is the OBOR. This is
key to everything and is the reason why the West is targeting Russia so aggressively.
If Mackinder's Heartland theory is at play, and you want to cut China off from Europe,
taking down Russia would seem to be an enormous effort to accomplish that. There are much
easier ways. Why not just lobby your European "allies" not to trade at all with China?
Mission accomplished, and no war with Russia as a bonus. If the EU won't follow the Empire's
orders, you need to take out not only Russia, but probably Pakistan, and all the Central
Asian nations, plus Iran and Turkey. If not, and you only destroy one or a few of these,
China's One Belt One Road reaches Europe anyway.
Also don't forget the outright blockade of China's maritime trade to be conducted by the
U.S. Navy -- kind of an act of war in itself.
Seems far easier, if you want to slow China down, to just ORDER America's NATO allies to
stop all trade with China. The rest of the world all together won't be able to fill the gap,
not any time soon.
Voila, you lower China's GDP growth by some significant percentage, using just strong-arm
diplomacy in Europe.
Buys America another full decade as number one economy, maybe.
In the fevered dreams of Western strategists, they hope for Russia and China to turn on each
other, sparing the Atlantic powers the trouble. Then, they come in and pick up the pieces.
They hope to replicate the success of Britain in playing off France against Germany pre-World
War One. The problem is they have in fact encouraged the Sino-Russian strategic alignment,
not hindered it.
No matter, after all, there can never be such a thing, thought the British, of a long-term
common interest between France and Germany -- a "European Union" will never come about.
French and Germans naturally hate each other! Right?
And how did Britain make out with that thinking? How will America make out in coming
decades? In geopolitics, not that well. Not as long as we are short-sighted.
Those with the power, and the happily ruled, have always needed synonyms for "obedience."
Solidarity is a choice in line with our social-mediatic times and the related
communication standards.
I mean, like i said above, Johnson and other western politicians are not "boneheads"
(intellectually weak) as you said, no, they are smart (intellectually strong) and pretending,
faking their intellectual weakness (appearance of stupidity)
Answers:-
One and two. Proof beyond reasonable doubt does not mean there is no chance of a
mistake, and the standard necessary for thinking Putin responsible is less than what would be
needed for finding him guilty in a court of law. He cannot hide behind his country and
diplomatic immunity while claiming the protection of British Law for evidence necessary to
convict someone on trial for a capital offence.
Three. We want nothing from Russia , for indeed they have nothing to offer. To go away and
shut up is the most they can do, and that is why are sending the worst of the Russian goons
back were they came from, whether they want to go back or not (they would love to stay in
London*).
Four. Punishment is essential, otherwise they will see weakness.
Five. No chance of nuclear war or any other kind or war. Russia is destined to become the
lonely old man of Europe. It has nothing anyone wants at the price of being treated like an
imbecile, and our diplomats dislike living there*).
Oh, we have a copypaste contest? Okay then, i'd copy here my reply at saker's blog
too.
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> China will be blackmailed into submission.
Wooop! Then it is not "existential threat" for China.
Clash for power, clash for sovereignty, clash fo prosperity -- but not for survival.
> Russia & China are working closely
Which does not mean China's role is making harsh diplomatic statements in favor of Russia.
At least it was not so before today. So i think it is not today either. Also remember that
Chinese social mindset is build upon idea of "indebting with gifts and aids" and then
requesting payback when they need it. Which means Russia should be very wary about accepting
any help from China unless it wishes to be seen by China as a deeply indebted beggar
incapable of sustaining itself. And since diplomatic situation for Russia is not deadly
critical I do not think Russia needed that newspaper article. If Russia would request China's
support of the kind -- it would be in official diplomatic venues like UN.
> Russia needs to save Syria for its own skin
> Iran needs to save its skin
But is it so for China? Is China in critical need of sovereign and friendly Syria? I doubt
it.
> China has been backing up with big cheque book for last few years, signing hundreds
of billions deal with upfront payments to prop Russia economy for prolong war.
Which is very important, but is not diplomatic statements nor Chinese newspaper
articles.
That is exactly the Chinese role in this fight like i said many times before -- economic
and financial warfare is Chinese responsibility, while military and diplomatic warfare is
Russian's.
> Global times news mostly reflected the China think tank policy that they wish to
propagate to English speaking world.
And here we are getting back to the topic. Why such a harsh, explicitly worded article did
appeared today? Was it because of Russia or of China itself? Was that article reaction to
some new threat to Syria, to russia, or to China itself?
And i believe in the latter option. This article is not linked to any recent events around
Russia, it is caused by Sino-American relations shift.
> China has sensed West is tightened noose around Russia to cut it off from world,
seeing from Olympic & now the Skirpal circus
Skripal affair is much less than Olympics was. Even European states many did not jumped
Skripal wagon. Additionally, if Russia would be "cut off from Western world" -- what the West
did not dared to do even in 2014 on the height of Crimea and MH17 accusations and on the
hopes of "gas station" imminent and fast collapse, so would hardly dare now just because some
Skripal -- but if Russia would somehow gets politically isolated from the West, what bad is
it for China? Russia would become more dependent on China, like many of the trade with West
would had to go through Chinese "laundry". China gets more influence over Russia. Russia gets
much more limited in its options. Good (for China) development, why hurry to cancel it before
Russia even asked for ?
> Trade war will be too bloody for the world
Yes, but the said trade war is not having Russia as primary adversary -- Russian economy i
not that significant to the western world, and for USA in particular it has but zero
significance. The trade war we see igniting -- is the war against China. China can no more be
"wise monkey up the trees", when USA moved their chaingun aim from Russia onto China. Now
China is being shot at, and the article is Chinese response to China being attacked. Not to
anything around Russia.
> You are silly self center viewer
Frankly, it is exactly the opposite here. It is you who claim Russia being behind that
article in Global Time. It is me who claims Russia has no any relation to the timing and
wording of that article.
> China special force is operating in Syria.
Maybe it is, but seems no one ever saw those operations.
> Lot of weapons supply to SAA.
Maybe they are, but can you name those Chinese weapons and show me where SAA is employing
it?
> Lot of money pump in to sustain Syria war,
If they are, then China does it part of the fight, good. Like USA supplied money and
material to fighting European states during WW2. However that has no relation with the Global
Times article being discussed.
> always throwing allies under bus whenever possible,
.because Putin is evil and just enjoys every opportunity to do bad thing. Always. I wish i
would hear somethign remotely creative from you.
> hence Russia deserve to be raped by West like 1990 is natural.
Oh, i see. Yet another russophobic preaching that "Russians should repent and repay,
repay, and repent", then frustrated when Russia shrugs this lecture off.
And, as you said, the west has many ways of neutralizing China.
Don't forget that China has an enormous internal market too, which in time should be
larger than the U.S. and EU combined. European countries that stay out of this vast and
rapidly growing market will be cutting their own throats. Good luck convincing them to do
that.
"... I wanted to investigate whether the growing volume of criticism toward Russia, sometimes by people who could hardly claim to be knowledgeable about the country, concealed a political agenda. ..."
"... I discovered evidence of Russophobia shared by different circles within the American political class and promoted through programs and conferences at various think tanks, congressional testimonies, activities of NGOs, and the media. Russophobia is not merely a critique of Russia, but a critique beyond any sense of proportion, waged with the purpose of undermining the nation's political reputation. ..."
"... To these individuals, Russophobia is merely a means to pressure the Kremlin into submitting to the United States in the execution of its grand plans to control the world's most precious resources and geostrategic sites. In the meantime, Russia has grown increasingly resentful, and the war in the Caucasus in August 2008 has demonstrated that Russia is prepared to act unilaterally to stop what it views as US unilateralism in the former Soviet region. ..."
"... Anti-American attitudes are strongly present in Russian media and cultural products, as a response to the US policies of nuclear, energy, and military supremacy in the world. Extreme hegemonic policies tend to provoke an extreme response, and Russian nationalist movements and often commentators react harshly to what they view as unilateral encroachment on Russia's political system and foreign policy interests. Russia's reactions to these policies by the United States are highly negative and frequently inadequate, but hardly more extreme than the American hegemonic and imperial discourse. ..."
"... The central objective of the Lobby has been to preserve and strengthen America's power in the post-Cold War world through imperial or hegemonic policies. The Lobby has viewed Russia with its formidable nuclear power, energy reserves, and important geostrategic location as a major obstacle in achieving this objective. Even during the 1990s, when Russia looked more like a failing state3 than one capable of projecting power, some members of the American political class were worried about the future revival of the Eurasian giant as a revisionist power. In their percep- tion, it was essential to keep Russia in a state of military and economic weakness-not so much out of emotional hatred for the Russian people and their culture, but to preserve American security and promote its val- ues across the world. To many within the Lobby, Russophobia became a useful device for exerting pressures on Russia and controlling its policies. Although to some the idea of undermining and, possibly, dismembering Russia was personal, to others it was a necessity of power dictated by the realities of international politics. ..."
"... According to this dominant vision, there was simply no place in this "New American Century" for power competitors, and America was destined eventually to assume control over potentially threatening military capabilities and energy reserves of others. As the two founders of the Project for the New' American Century (PNAC), William Kristol and Robert Kagan, asserted when referring to the large military forces of Russia and China, "American statesmen today ought to recognize that their charge is not to await the arrival of the next great threat, but rather to shape the international environment to prevent such a threat from arising in the first place."4 ..."
"... Russia was either to agree to assist the United States in preserving its world-power status or be forced to agree. It had to either follow the U.S. interpretation of world affairs and develop a political and economic system sufficiently open to American influences or live as a pariah state, smeared by accusations of pernicious behavior, and in constant fear for its survival in the America-centered world. As far as the U.S. hegemonic elites were concerned, no other choice was available. ..."
"... This hegemonic mood was largely consistent with mainstream ideas within the American establishment immediately following the end of the Cold War. For example, 1989 saw the unification of Germany and the further meltdown of the Soviet Union, which some characterized as "the best period of U.S. foreign policy ever."5 President Jimmy Carter's former national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski envisioned the upcoming victory of the West by celebrating the Soviet Union's "grand failure."6 ..."
"... Charles Krauthammer, went as far as to proclaim the arrival of the United States' "unipolar moment," a period in which only one super- power, the United States, would stand above the rest of the world in its military, economic, and ideological capacity ..."
"... The mid-1990s saw the emergence of post-Soviet Russophobia. The Lobby's ideology was not principally new, as it still contained the three central myths of Sovietophobia left over from the Cold War era: Russia is inherently imperialist, autocratic, and anti-Western. This ideology now had to be modified to the new conditions and promoted politically, which required a tightening of the Lobby's unity, winning new allies within the establishment, and gaining public support.15 ..."
"... During the period of 2003-2008, Vice President Richard Dick Cheney formed a cohesive and bipartisan group of Russia critics, who pushed for a more confrontational approach with the Kremlin. ..."
"... Cheney could not tolerate opposition to what he saw as a critical step in establishing worldwide US hegemony. He was also harboring the idea of controlling Russia's energy reserves.91 ..."
"... In Russia, however, the Cold War story has been mainly about sovereignty and independence, rather than Western-style liberalism. To many Russians it is a story of freedom from colonization by the West and of preserving important attributes of sovereign statehood. ..."
"... In a world where neocolonialism and cultural imperialism are potent forces, the idea of freedom as independence continues to have strong international appeal and remains a powerful alternative to the notion of liberal democracy. ..."
"... The West's unwillingness to recognize the importance of this legitimizing myth in the role of communist ideology has served as a key reason for the Cold War.5 Like their Western counterparts, the Soviets were debating over methods but not the larger assumptions that defined their struggle. ..."
"... Yet another analyst wrote "at the Cold War's end, the United States was given one of the great opportunities of history: to embrace Russia, the largest nation on earth, as partner, friend, ally. Our mutual interests meshed almost perfectly. There was no ideological, territorial, his- toric or economic quarrel between us, once communist ideology was interred. We blew it. We moved NATO onto Russia's front porch, ignored her valid interests and concerns, and, with our 'indispensable-nation' arrogance, treated her as a defeated power, as France treated Weimar Germany after Versailles."114 ..."
It was during the spring of 2006 that I began this project. I wanted
to investigate whether the growing volume of criticism toward Russia, sometimes
by people who could hardly claim to be knowledgeable about the country, concealed
a political agenda.
As I researched the subject, I discovered evidence of Russophobia shared
by different circles within the American political class and promoted through
programs and conferences at various think tanks, congressional testimonies,
activities of NGOs, and the media. Russophobia is not merely a critique of Russia,
but a critique beyond any sense of proportion, waged with the purpose of undermining
the nation's political reputation.
... ... ....
Although a critical analysis of Russia and its political system is entirely
legitimate, the issue is the balance of such analysis. Russia's role in the
world is growing, yet many U.S. politicians feel that Russia doesn't matter
in the global arena. Preoccupied with international issues, such as Iraq and
Afghanistan, they find it difficult to accept that they now have to nego- tiate
and coordinate their international policies with a nation that only yesterday
seemed so weak, introspective, and dependent on the West. To these individuals,
Russophobia is merely a means to pressure the Kremlin into submitting to the
United States in the execution of its grand plans to control the world's most
precious resources and geostrategic sites. In the meantime, Russia has grown
increasingly resentful, and the war in the Caucasus in August 2008 has demonstrated
that Russia is prepared to act unilaterally to stop what it views as US unilateralism
in the former Soviet region.
And some in Moscow are tempted to provoke a much greater confrontation with
Western states. The attitude of ignorance and self-righteousness toward Russia
tells us volumes about the United States' lack of preparation for the twenty-first
century's central challenges that include political instability, weapons proliferation,
and energy insecurity. Despite the dislike of Russia by a considerable number
of American elites, this attitude is far from universally shared. Many Americans
understand that Russia has gone a long way from communism and that the overwhelming
support for Putin's policies at home cannot be adequately explained by high
oil prices and the Kremlin's manipulation of the public-despite the frequent
assertions of Russophobic observers.
Balanced analysts are also aware that many Russian problems are typical difficulties
that nations encounter with state-building, and should not be presented as indicative
of Russia's "inherent drive" to autocracy or empire. As the United States and
Russia move further to the twenty-first century, it will be increasingly important
to redefine the relationship between the two nations in a mutually enriching
way.
Political and cultural phobias are, of course, not limited to those of an
anti-Russian nature. For instance, Russia has its share of America-phobia --
a phenomenon that I have partly researched in my book Whose World Order (Notre
Dame, 2004) and in several articles. Anti-American attitudes are strongly
present in Russian media and cultural products, as a response to the US policies
of nuclear, energy, and military supremacy in the world. Extreme hegemonic policies
tend to provoke an extreme response, and Russian nationalist movements and often
commentators react harshly to what they view as unilateral encroachment on Russia's
political system and foreign policy interests. Russia's reactions to these policies
by the United States are highly negative and frequently inadequate, but hardly
more extreme than the American hegemonic and imperial discourse.
The Anti-Russian Lobby
When the facile optimism was disappointed, Western euphoria faded, and
Russophobia returned ... The new Russophobia was expressed not by the
governments, but in the statements of out-of-office politicians, the
publications of academic experts, the sensational writings of jour-
nalists, and the products of the entertainment industry. (Rodric Braithwaite,
Across the Moscow River, 2002)1
....
Russophobia is not a myth, not an invention of the Red-Brovvns, but
a real phenomenon of political thought in the main political think tanks
in the West . .. [T]he Yeltsin-Kozyrev's pro-U.S. "giveaway game" was
approved across the ocean. There is reason to say that the period in
ques- tion left the West with the illusion that Russia's role was to
serve Washington's interests and that it would remain such in the future.
(Sergei Mikoyati, International Affairs /October 2006j)2
This chapter formulates a theory of Russophobia and the anti-Russian lobby's
influence on the U.S. Russia policy. 1 discuss the Lobby's objec- tives, its
tactics to achieve them, the history of its formation and rise to prominence,
and the conditions that preserved its influence in the after- math of 9/11.1
argue that Russophobia has been important to American hegemonic elites in pressuring
Russia for economic and political conces- sions in the post-Cold War era.
1. Goals and Means
Objectives
The central objective of the Lobby has been to preserve and strengthen
America's power in the post-Cold War world through imperial or hegemonic policies.
The Lobby has viewed Russia with its formidable nuclear power, energy reserves,
and important geostrategic location as a major obstacle in achieving this objective.
Even during the 1990s, when Russia looked more like a failing state3 than one
capable of projecting power, some members of the American political class were
worried about the future revival of the Eurasian giant as a revisionist power.
In their percep- tion, it was essential to keep Russia in a state of military
and economic weakness-not so much out of emotional hatred for the Russian people
and their culture, but to preserve American security and promote its val- ues
across the world. To many within the Lobby, Russophobia became a useful device
for exerting pressures on Russia and controlling its policies. Although to some
the idea of undermining and, possibly, dismembering Russia was personal, to
others it was a necessity of power dictated by the realities of international
politics.
According to this dominant vision, there was simply no place in this
"New American Century" for power competitors, and America was destined eventually
to assume control over potentially threatening military capabilities and energy
reserves of others. As the two founders of the Project for the New' American
Century (PNAC), William Kristol and Robert Kagan, asserted when referring to
the large military forces of Russia and China, "American statesmen today ought
to recognize that their charge is not to await the arrival of the next great
threat, but rather to shape the international environment to prevent such a
threat from arising in the first place."4
Russia was either to agree to assist the United States in preserving
its world-power status or be forced to agree. It had to either follow the U.S.
interpretation of world affairs and develop a political and economic system
sufficiently open to American influences or live as a pariah state, smeared
by accusations of pernicious behavior, and in constant fear for its survival
in the America-centered world. As far as the U.S. hegemonic elites were concerned,
no other choice was available.
This hegemonic mood was largely consistent with mainstream ideas within
the American establishment immediately following the end of the Cold War. For
example, 1989 saw the unification of Germany and the further meltdown of the
Soviet Union, which some characterized as "the best period of U.S. foreign policy
ever."5 President Jimmy Carter's former national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski
envisioned the upcoming victory of the West by celebrating the Soviet Union's
"grand failure."6
In his view, the Soviet "totalitarian" state was incapable of reform. Communism's
decline was therefore irreversible and inevitable. It would have made the system's
"practice and its dogma largely irrelevant to the human conditions," and communism
would be remembered as the twentieth century's "political and intellectual aberration."7
Other com- mentators argued the case for a global spread of Western values.
In 1990 Francis Fukuyama first formulated his triumphalist "end of history"
thesis, arguing a global ascendancy of the Western-style market democracy.®
... ... ...
Marc Plattner declared the emergence of a "world with one dominant principle
of legitimacy, democracy."9 When the Soviet system had indeed disintegrated,
the leading establishment journal Foreign Affairs pronounced that "the Soviet
system collapsed because of what it was, or more exactly, because of what it
was not. The West 'won' because of what the democracies were-because they were
free, prosperous and successful, because they did justice, or convincingly tried
to do so."10 Still others, such as Charles Krauthammer, went as far as to
proclaim the arrival of the United States' "unipolar moment," a period in which
only one super- power, the United States, would stand above the rest of the
world in its military, economic, and ideological capacity.11
In this context of U.S. triumphalism, at least some Russophobes expected
Russia to follow the American agenda. Still, they were worried that Russia may
still have surprises to offer and would recover as an enemy.12
Soon after the Soviet disintegration, Russia indeed surprised many, although
not quite in the sense of presenting a power challenge to the United States.
Rather, the surprise was the unexpectedly high degree of corruption, social
and economic decay, and the rapid disappointment of pro-Western reforms inside
Russia. By late 1992, the domestic economic situation was much worsened, as
the failure of Western-style shock ther- apy reform put most of the population
on the verge of poverty. Russia was preoccupied not with the projection of power
but with survival, as poverty, crime, and corruption degraded it from the status
of the indus- trialized country it once was. In the meantime, the economy was
largely controlled by and divided among former high-ranking party and state
officials and their associates. The so-called oligarchs, or a group of extremely
wealthy individuals, played the role of the new post-Soviet nomenklatura; they
influenced many key decisions of the state and suc- cessfully blocked the development
of small- and medium-sized business in the country.13 Under these conditions,
the Russophobes warned that the conditions in Russia may soon be ripe for the
rise of an anti-Western nationalist regime and that Russia was not fit for any
partnership with the United States.14
The mid-1990s saw the emergence of post-Soviet Russophobia. The Lobby's
ideology was not principally new, as it still contained the three central myths
of Sovietophobia left over from the Cold War era: Russia is inherently imperialist,
autocratic, and anti-Western. This ideology now had to be modified to the new
conditions and promoted politically, which required a tightening of the Lobby's
unity, winning new allies within the establishment, and gaining public support.15
... ... ...
The impact of structural and institutional factors is further reinforced
by policy factors, such as the divide within the policy community and the lack
of presidential leadership. Not infrequently, politicians tend to defend their
personal and corporate interests, and lobbying makes a difference in the absence
of firm policy commitments.
Experts recognize that the community of Russia watchers is split and that
the split, which goes all the way to the White House, has been responsible for
the absence of a coherent policy toward the country. During the period of
2003-2008, Vice President Richard Dick Cheney formed a cohesive and bipartisan
group of Russia critics, who pushed for a more confrontational approach with
the Kremlin. The brain behind the invasion of Iraq, Cheney could not
tolerate opposition to what he saw as a critical step in establishing worldwide
US hegemony. He was also harboring the idea of controlling Russia's energy reserves.91
Since November 2004, when the administration launched a review of its policy
on Russia,92 Cheney became a critically important voice in whom the Lobby found
its advocate. Secretaries of State Condoleezza Rice and, until November 2004,
Colin Powell opposed the vice president's approach, arguing for a softer and
more accommodating style in relations with Moscow.
President Bush generally sided with Rice and Powell, but he proved unable
to form a consistent Russia policy. Because of America's involvement in the
Middle East, Bush failed to provide the leadership committed to devising mutually
acceptable rules in relations with Russia that could have prevented the deterioration
in their relationship. Since the end of 2003, he also became doubtful about
the direction of Russia's domestic transformation.93 As a result, the promising
post-9/11 cooperation never materialized. The new cold war and the American
Sense of History
It's time we start thinking of Vladimir Putin's Russia as an enemy of the
United States. (Bret Stephens, "Russia: The Enemy," The Wall Street Journal,
November 28, 2006)
If today's reality of Russian politics continues ... then there is the real
risk that Russia's leadership will be seen, externally and internally, as illegitimate.
(John Edwards and Jack Kemp, "We Need to Be Tough with Russia," International
Herald Tribune, July 12, 2006)
On Iran, Kosovo, U.S. missile defense, Iraq, the Caucasus and Caspian basin,
Ukraine-the list goes on-Russia puts itself in conflict with the U.S. and its
allies . . . here are worse models than the united Western stand that won the
Cold War the first time around.
("Putin Institutionalized," The Wall Street Journal, November 19, 2007) In
order to derail the U.S.-Russia partnership, the Lobby has sought to revive
the image of Russias as an enemy of the United States. The Russophobic groups
have exploited important differences between the two countries' historical self-perceptions,
presenting those differences as incompatible.
1. Contested History
Two versions of history
The story of the Cold War as told from the U.S. perspective is about American
ideas of Western-style democracy as rescued from the Soviet threat of totalitarian
communism. Although scholars and politicians disagreed over the methods of responding
to the Soviet threat, they rarely questioned their underlying assumptions about
history and freedom.' It therefore should not come as surprise that many in
the United States have interpreted the end of the Cold War as a victory of the
Western freedom narrative. Celebrating the Soviet Union's "grand failure"-as
Zbigniew Brzezinski put it2-the American discourse assumed that from now on
there would be little resistance to freedom's worldwide progression. When Francis
Fukuyama offered his bold summary of these optimistic feelings and asserted
in a famous passage that "what we may be witnessing is not just the end of the
Cold War... but the end of history as such,"3 he meant to convey the disappearance
of an alternative to the familiar idea of free- dom, or "the universalization
of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government."4
In Russia, however, the Cold War story has been mainly about sovereignty
and independence, rather than Western-style liberalism. To many Russians it
is a story of freedom from colonization by the West and of preserving important
attributes of sovereign statehood.
In a world where neocolonialism and cultural imperialism are potent forces,
the idea of freedom as independence continues to have strong international appeal
and remains a powerful alternative to the notion of liberal democracy.
Russians formulated the narrative of independence centuries ago, as they successfully
withstood external invasions from Napoleon to Hitler. The defeat of the Nazi
regime was important to the Soviets because it legitimized their claims to continue
with the tradition of freedom as independence.
The West's unwillingness to recognize the importance of this legitimizing
myth in the role of communist ideology has served as a key reason for the Cold
War.5 Like their Western counterparts, the Soviets were debating over methods
but not the larger assumptions that defined their struggle.
This helps to understand why Russians could never agree with the Western
interpretation of the end of the Cold War. What they find missing from the U.S.
narrative is the tribute to Russia's ability to defend its freedom from expansionist
ambitions of larger powers. The Cold War too is viewed by many Russians as a
necessarily defensive response to the West's policies, and it is important that
even while occupying Eastern Europe, the Soviets never celebrated the occupation,
emphasizing instead the war vic- tory.6 The Russians officially admitted "moral
responsibility" and apolo- gized for the Soviet invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia.7
They may be prepared to fully recognize the postwar occupation of Eastern Europe,
but only in the context of the two sides' responsibility for the Cold War. Russians
also find it offensive that Western VE Day celebrations ignore the crucial contribution
of Soviet troops, even though none of the Allies, as one historian put it, "paid
dearer than the Soviet Union for the victory. Forty Private Ivans fell in battle
to every Private Ryan."8 Victory over Nazi Germany constitutes, as another Russian
wrote, "the only undisputable foundation of the national myth."9
If the two sides are to build foundations for a future partnership, the two
historical narratives must be bridged. First, it is important to recognize the
difficulty of negotiating a common meaning of freedom and accept that the idea
of freedom may vary greatly across nations. The urge for freedom may be universal,
but its social content is a specific product of national his- tories and local
circumstances. For instance, the American vision of democracy initially downplayed
the role of elections and emphasized selection by merit or meritocracy. Under
the influence of the Great Depression, the notion of democracy incorporated
a strong egalitarian and poverty-fighting component, and it was not until the
Cold War- and not without its influence-that democracy has become associated
with elections and pluralistic institutions.10 Second, it is essential to acknowledge
the two nations' mutual respon- sibility for the misunderstanding that has resulted
in the Cold War. A historically sensitive account will recognize that both sides
were thinking in terms of expanding a territorial space to protect their visions
of security. While the Soviets wanted to create a buffer zone to prevent a future
attack from Germany, the Americans believed in reconstructing the European continent
in accordance with their ideas of security and democracy. A mutual mistrust
of the two countries' leaders exacerbated the situation, making it ever more
difficult to prevent a full-fledged political confronta- tion. Western leaders
had reason to be suspicious of Stalin, who, in his turn, was driven by the perception
of the West's greed and by betrayals from the dubious Treaty of Versailles to
the appeasement of Hitler in Munich. Arrangements for the post-World War II
world made by Britain, the USSR, and the United States proved insufficient to
address these deep-seated suspicions.
In addition, most Eastern European states created as a result of the Versailles
Treaty were neither free nor democratic and collaborated with Nazi Germany in
its racist and expansionist policies. The European post-World War 1 security
system was not working properly, and it was only a matter of time before it
would have to be transformed.
Third, if an agreeable historical account is to emerge, it would have to
accept that the end of the Cold War was a product of mutually beneficial a second
Cold War, "it also does not want the reversal of the U.S. geopolitical gains
that it made in the decade or so after the end of the Cold War."112 Another
expert asked, "What possible explanation is there for the fact that today-at
a moment when both the U.S. and Russia face the common enemy of Islamist terrorism-hard-liners
within the Bush administration, and especially in the office of Vice President
Dick Cheney, are arguing for a new tough line against Moscow along the lines
of a scaled-down Cold War?"113
Yet another analyst wrote "at the Cold War's end, the United States was
given one of the great opportunities of history: to embrace Russia, the largest
nation on earth, as partner, friend, ally. Our mutual interests meshed almost
perfectly. There was no ideological, territorial, his- toric or economic quarrel
between us, once communist ideology was interred. We blew it. We moved NATO
onto Russia's front porch, ignored her valid interests and concerns, and, with
our 'indispensable-nation' arrogance, treated her as a defeated power, as France
treated Weimar Germany after Versailles."114
Last year I published Our American Pravda , making the case for
the utter corruption and unreliability of the mainstream American media, both in the past and
especially in recent years. The enormous lacunae I daily noticed in the pages of The New
York Times , The Wall Street Journal , and other leading media outlets were a
major motivation behind my creation of The Review , whose readership has grown
enormously in recent weeks.
A perfect example of this dangerous MSM "conspiracy of silence" may be found in the growing
confrontation with Russia over Ukraine, greatly accelerated by the death of almost 300
passengers aboard Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, shot down last month over Eastern Ukraine. The
American media and its Western counterparts have almost unanimously placed the blame on
anti-government rebels backed by Russia, and darkly insinuate that Russian President Vladimir
Putin has the blood of those hundreds of innocent lives on his hands. London's once-respectedEconomist magazine has repeatedly run shrill covers promoting the great threat of
Putin and Russia to world peace, even featuring a photo of the former under the stark title
"A Web of
Lies." There is the serious likelihood of a renewed Cold War against Russia and with the
neoconized Republicans in Congress proposing legislation to incorporate Ukraine as an American
military ally and deploy American forces there, the actual possibility of a military clash near
the Russian border.
As readers know, I have been overwhelmingly consumed with my own software work in recent
months and aside from closely reading the NYT and WSJ every morning, have
devoted little time or effort to following the disastrous Ukraine situation. But just carefully
reading between the lines of our elite MSM outlets and glancing at a few contrary perspectives
presented on alternative websites have left me highly suspicious of our media narrative,
leading me to wonder where the finger of guilt actually points.
For example, according to the official American story, MH17 was downed by rebels armed with
a BUK anti-aircraft missile battery. As it happens, the pro-American Ukraine government
possesses a large inventory of exactly those weapons, while it is far from clear that the
rebels have a single unit, let alone the expertise to operate such sophisticated devices.
Furthermore, there apparently exists radar evidence demonstrating that Ukraine fighter planes
were in the immediate vicinity of MH17 just before it was shot down and there are firsthand
reports from investigators on the ground that portions of the crashed fuselage showed strong
evidence of having been hit the sort of heavy machine-gun fire employed in air combat. I find
it extremely suspicious that the American government has repeatedly refused to release the
evidence supporting its narrative, while the Russian government has released copious evidence
supporting its contrary perspective.
We must bear in mind that the downing of MH17 and the deaths of the hundreds of mostly
European passengers came as a fortuitous stroke of fortune for the embattled Kiev government
and its neoconservative American backers, given that Germany and most of the other major
European governments had just balked at approving the harsh anti-Russian economic sanctions
being proposed by the White House. Cui bono ?
Furthermore, this terrible suspicion that 300 innocent lives may have been sacrificed in a
ghastly false-flag operation by an American-supported government is somewhat buttressed by
earlier events. Consider that the overthrow of the democratically-elected and neutralist
Ukrainian government was sparked by the massive bloodshed that erupted between riot police and
pro-American demonstrators in the Kievan capital, as many hundreds on both sides were suddenly
killed or wounded by an outbreak of heavy gunfire over a couple of nights. I found it very
intriguing that soon afterward an
intercepted telephone call between the pro-Western foreign minister of Estonia and European
High Commissioner Catherine Ashton, later confirmed to be genuine, revealed that the bullets
found in the bodies of both government police and anti-government demonstrators had apparently
come from the same guns. The most plausible explanation of this strange detail is that the
snipers responsible were professionals brought in to cause the massive bloodshed necessary to
overthrow the government, which is exactly what soon followed. Again cui bono ?
Am I certain about these facts, let alone the analysis built upon them? Absolutely not! As
emphasized, I've been entirely preoccupied with other matters over the last few months. But if
such obvious suspicions are apparent to someone who occasionally glances at the news reports
out of the corner of his mind's eye, the total silence of the American media and its huge corps
of full-time professional journalists constitutes a very telling indictment. Personally, I
think there's a high likelihood that forces aligned with current pro-Western regime were
responsible for the massacre in Kiev's Maidan Square and a better than fifty-fifty chance they
more recently shot down MH17, but I really can't be sure about either of these things. However,
I am absolutely 100% certain that the American MSM has been revealed as a totally worthless
source of information on these crucial world events, although it can be relied upon to provide
every last detail of Robin Williams' troubled life or the endless foibles of the
Kardashians.
In the interests of providing our readers at least some access to alternate accounts of why
we may now be heading into a new Cold War against Russia -- or even a hot one -- I've recently
republished a couple of Mike Whitney's fine Counterpunch columns on the mysteries of
Flight
MH17 , which cautiously raised questions rather than claimed to answer them, as well as
those of the redoubtable Paul Craig Roberts.
Aside from attracting considerable debate from our website's often "excitable" commenters,
whose views range from the sensible to the deranged, our Whitney columns regarding MH17 had a
far more important consequence. One of our left-liberal readers was shocked to read facts
totally absent from the pages of The Nation , the Huffington Post , or any of
the other left-liberal sites she visits. Out of curiosity, she contacted a very prominent
left-liberal American academic, someone with special expertise in exactly that area of Europe.
To her considerable surprise, he largely confirmed the outlandish "conspiracy theory," saying
that the evidence increasingly indicated that the American-backed Kiev government had shot down
Flight MH17, either accidentally or otherwise.
Based on his remarks, it sounded like he and his friends had devoted 100x the time and
effort that I had to investigating the incident, thereby reassuring me that my casual
conclusions were at least not wholly ridiculous. Yet it also appeared that neither he or any of
the other American experts in his circle who apparently share his views had seen fit to publish
their opinions in any of the numerous media outlets to which they have easy access, presumably
for fear of being denounced and stigmatized as "conspiracy nuts." They may regard the
possibility of an American military confrontation with nuclear-armed Russia as a terrible
danger, but it pales compared to the horrifying risk that the 22-year-old bookers at MSNBC chat
shows might decide to put a black mark down next to their names.
The following day I lamented this cowardice of our intelligentsia to another
prominent liberal academic with whom I'm friendly, and he immediately sent me the draft by a
friend of his on that very topic that I am now greatly honored to publish. Most of the dead on
MH17 were Dutch citizens and Karel van Wolferen ranks as one of the
world's most prominent Dutch journalists, winner of major awards and someone whose numerous
books that have sold well over a million copies worldwide. His article describes the evidence
regarding MH17, but more importantly focuses on the totally corrupted worlds of journalism and
politics that have enabled this dangerous situation to develop.
I urge everyone to read van Wolferen's long and thoughtful piece and ask themselves why such
basic facts and simple analysis appear nowhere within the mainstream American media. Given his
standing and his credibility, the New York Times should have long since featured his
byline on a major opinion piece, and the absence constitutes powerful evidence. During our
disastrous Iraq War the American media applied exactly the same
boycott to the views of my old friend Bill Odom, the three-star general who had run the NSA
for President Ronald Reagan and ranked as one of Washington's leading experts on national
security issues. Our totally incompetent ruling elites refuse to let discordant voices puncture
their bubble of unreality.
For those readers who refuse to admit the possibility that our vaunted MSM might conceal
such vital facts, consider the important point I made at the beginning of my 2013 article . In
recent years, leading scholars have conclusively established that for a decade or two during
the 1930s and 1940s, a small network of Communist spies quietly gained substantial control of
our national government in Washington, DC, successfully diverting the actions of the United
States to their own nefarious ends. If our mainstream media had failed to notice or report that
situation at the time and then spent the next half century ridiculing anyone who suggested this
possibility, why should anyone believe that the media can be trusted on the question of who
actually shot down Flight MH17 in Ukraine? Our American Pravda indeed.
UPDATE: Our long, detailed article by distinguished Dutch journalist Karel van Wolferen has
had enormous traffic, and is now on the verge of becoming the most heavily read piece in the
history of our young webzine, while the nearly 600 Tweets it has so far received indicatie
distribution comparable to that of a major New York Times article. All this has happened in
just the last couple of days.
Furthermore, just as I had hoped, the very lengthy comment threads of the two articles have
provided a wealth of additional information, far beyond anything I had previously encountered,
given my slight familiarity with this issue.
First, I learned that a group of highly-experienced former intelligence officers from the
CIA, FBI, NSA, and other government agencies has issued a public statement sharply criticizing
the lack of evidence substantiating the claims made by American government officials.
Also, the blogsite of Col. Patrick Lang, a very highly regarded former Defense Intelligence
official, has published a lengthy and detailed analysis of the MH17 Incident, raising many of
the same issues:
Furthermore, one of the commenters on our website, who purportedly has a military
intelligence background, pointed us to the very detailed analysis he had published on his own
blogsite regarding MH17:
Although I claim no great expertise in military affairs, these analyses certainly seem to
strengthen my suspicions that the Official Story almost universally accepted by the Western MSM
is far from solid and may indeed be a ridiculous fabrication. I urge others to follow the links
I have provided, and draw their own conclusions, perhaps different from my own. But they should
ask themselves why so many highly-regarded former U.S. intelligence professionals would be
raising these serious doubts and why our mainstream media has totally failed to report
them.
As for me, I've noticed a curious fact. It appears that the people and organizations
promoting the current Official Line on Ukraine have a huge overlap with the people and
organizations that promoted the disastrous Iraq War, based on the notorious WMD Hoax.
Meanwhile, the people providing serious skepticism about government accusations regarding MH17
are exactly the same people who raised doubts and skepticism about Iraq's alleged WMD and the
wisdom of attacking Iraq, while being just as totally ignored by the MSM then as now.
Since none of the Iraq War or WMD Hoax culprits ever received proper punishment for their
crimes, they've mostly remained alive and free and able to promote equally disastrous foreign
policy adventures in the media they continue to control. But that doesn't mean we must be so
gullible as to believe what they say.
Going forward, the crucial unknown is whether our timorous media or even its ideological
fringes, will begin to seriously report these issues, or whether they'll all get into line just
as they did during the WMD Hoax.
UPDATE 2:
Scott Horton has a podcast interview of Karel van Wolferen
You're reading your own narrative rather than what's in front of you. Russia isn't going
to up and blow away no matter what. Their relationship with China is a matter of course as
well, though you vastly over-state the supposed synergy between the two.
My point is that a diminished Russia is obviously no threat to China and clearly in the
long term interests of China if they wish to be the chief architect and manager of the
Eurasian belt of which they have become enamored.
Taken in broader strokes, a world in which nuclear apocalypse isn't on the menu, due to
elites favoring their own survival, is one in which the West invariably declines into
obscurity due to their ruling class having no qualms about destroying their nations and
states in the name of near term personal benefits. In such a world the only question is who
will take the leading role of new geopolitical master.
China is already poised for this position, but having an assuredly weakened Russian gives
them the sort of leverage they need to siphon out more Eurasian trade profits for their own
geopolitical aims. Geopolitical top players don't simply seek a sufficient position from
which to bargain. They seek a position from which the results of said bargain are largely
foregone.
And this is entirely consistent with Chinese foreign policy toward the West and Russia.
The former is a dead man walking with no chance of rebelling against Beijing's economic
control. The latter is a future regional partner whom they would very much like to see as a
junior when the time comes for them to abandon the western financial system and asset their
peerless status.
Exactly. Very good points. China wants weaker Russia. However China can't allow Russia to
submit to the US that's why they will be propping Russia just enough so Russia does not fold
too soon. The US and China have one common objective: they do not want Russia to hook up with
EU and Germany. Russia+EU would be the only third power that could challenge both the US and
China. That's why China is happy with Zio-Amercian meddling in Central Europe by playing
Poland and Hungary against both Germany and Russia as the wedge between them.
China does not trust Russia because they know how avaricious, unpatriotic and devoid of
any deeper nationalist doctrine and thus how unreliable are Russian elites. They know it
because they know their own Chinese elites with respect to which they must use many tools to
discipline them, the tools that Russia lacks because there sis no supreme ideological
authority. There in Russia nobody really knows who suppose to discipline whom and why.
Saker as usual is naive and let his wishful thinking hijack his analytical abilities.
Russia & China are working closely to counter the West for existential threat, deeper
& broader than what your self centered mind can imagine. Russia needs to save Syria for
its own skin, and its last ME bastion of influence. When Syria down, Israel & Saudi gas
will pipe to EU & cut off Russia lucrative EU gas deal & influence. Iran will be next
to attack, hence complete ME oil & gas come under US UK Fr control, which can be utilized
to sabotage Russia oil export.
China will be then blackmailed into submission for oil supply. Iran will be surrounded by
US allied forces everywhere, fighting West moderate terrorists. Its existential war in Syria
against West hedgmon control for Russia, China & Iran, not just propping up Assad. Russia
has overwhelming sufficient military capability to fight US allies, backed by war hardened
powerful Iran, SAA army, Hezbollah & Iraq Shiah fighters unmatched ground force.
USM knows it can't win such war without nuke, so it has to find either face saving exit or
contented with current occupied oil rich land. It got nothing to do with Trumps stupidity to
overstretch its military as you imagine.
China has been backing up Russia with big cheque book for last few years, signing hundreds
of billions deals with upfront payments to prop Russia economy for prolong war.
Global times news mostly reflected the China think tank policy that they wish to propagate
to West English speaking world. China has sensed West is hysteria tightening noose around
Russia in EU foolish solitude movement with UK.
When Russia is down, China is next, vice versa. China special force has been operating in
Syria to fight terrorists. Lot of weapons ammunition supply to SAA. Lot of money pump in to
sustain Syria war & feed millions of Syrians. Who else do you think is paying these
bills, West controlled UN Red cross?
Now China is largest economy & market by PPP term, with 50% w/w mfg capacity, its
capable to inflict unacceptable damage to US economy in trade war. EU, Japan & Korea all
have huge parts export to China for assembly, so none wanted the disastrous trade war that
will suck down global trade.
So Trumpets is blowing hot air only to blackmail China, soon it will back down as WH
already delay any tariffs to after June, seeking dialogue eagerly with Beijing.
You are just silly self centered like those Russians always throwing allies under bus,
hence Russia will find it has no true ally and will forever licking its wounds alone until
slaughtered by West.
The elder Skripal awakes, tells nurses he is tired of hospital; walks out to find nearest
press mike, tells world Russia had nothing to do with it, just bad food at a Chinese
restaurant!
This slide is a good April 1 joke, courtesy of Her majesty government on Theresa May. By the way, I've heard the Russians are
now telling a joke about Boris Johnson: they're saying he was poisoned with durachok (bonehead)! but many be he is
playing fool, with vicious and calculated intention
Notable quotes:
"... All that is missing here is the mass rape of baby penguins by drunken Russian sailors in the south pole or the use of a secret "weather weapon" to send hurricanes towards the USA. ..."
In the 12 events listed as evidence of a "pattern of Russian malign activity" one is
demonstratively false (2008 invasion of Georgia), one conflates two different accusations
(occupation of Crimea and destabilization of the Ukraine), one is circular (assassination of
Skripal) and all others are completely unproven accusations.
All that is missing here is the
mass rape of baby penguins by drunken Russian sailors in the south pole or the use of a secret
"weather weapon" to send hurricanes towards the USA.
You don't need a law degree to see that,
all you need is an IQ above room temperature and a basic understanding of logic. For all my
contempt for western leaders, even I wouldn't make the claim that they all lack these. So here
is where "solidarity" kicks-in:
"Solidarity" in this context is simply a "conceptual placeholder" for Stephen Decatur 's famous " my
country, right or wrong " applied to the entire Empire. The precedent of Meine Ehre
heißt Treue just slightly rephrased into Meine Ehre heißt
Solidarität also comes to mind.
"... Kennedy, the Lobby and the Bomb: http://www.voltairenet.org/article178401.html ..."
"... Michael Collins Piper – Final Judgement -The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy: http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf ..."
"... Muammar Al-Gaddafi – Ben Gurion ordered JFK's death over Israeli Nuke Plant at Dimona: This may have angered them a bit too: http://time.com/4711687/john-f-kennedy-diary-hitler/ ..."
@redmudhooch Trump should call for a real 9/11 investigation, that would drain the swamp,
the American people would all be behind him, what better way to win over America than 9/11
justice that is way past due?
If this is democracy we need something else, if what we done to Libya, Iraq, Syria,
Afghanistan, Latin American countries is democracy, we need to rid ourselves of democracy
The entire system is 100% corrupt, including Judges, prosecutors, lawyers, the whole swamp.
Big money rules.
The media is with the deep state, they clearly have an agenda, and it doesn't seem to be an
American one, something has to be done to shut them up. Hell yes they're spying on us, They use the IRS and state revenue agencies to get back at
dissenters, I have experienced it...
Not only are they spying on us, they're spying on the politicians, judges, literally
everyone, and blackmailing the snot out of them. Using extortion to get their way. The
corruption needs to be punished, all of it, not just who deep state chooses to get back at.
They're all corrupt.
Look at the electoral map for 2016 election, it is nearly completely red, and all that red
is very well armed and very pissed off. If Trump does the things he got elected on, stops
kissing Netanyahus ass he'll be fine. All he would have to do is get on twitter and make the
announcement, tell the people to help him drain the swamp, shut it down, we can protest and
yell just as loud as the well funded made for tv protesters. People have had enough, we can't
go on this way, people feel threatened now, and they will do what needs to be done to protect
their families. We just need an organizer (Trump) to give the word. But if he keeps up the war
mongering and giving in to the establishment on all the issues that won him the election, hes
done.
Look at what happend to Jim Traficant when he got out of line, who goes to jail in DC?
People who do the right thing.. Heres another example of how they get their way: Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that U.S.-based
Israeli Mossad agents might someday need to "order a hit" on the president of the United
States.
On Jan. 13 the Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that
Israel might someday need to "order a hit" on the president of the United States.
In the column, publisher Andrew Adler describes a scenario in which Israeli Prime Minister
Netanyahu would need to "give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president
deemed unfriendly to Israel." The purpose? So that the vice president could then take office and dictate U.S. policies that
would help the Jewish state "obliterate its enemies." Adler wrote that it is highly likely that the idea "has been discussed in Israel's most inner
circles."
I think this is what happened to JFK when he tried shutting down CIA, cracking down on the
Israeli lobby, inspecting Israeli Dimona nuclear facility. END the Fed scam, take away the
blank check.
I think this is what happened to JFK when he tried shutting down CIA, cracking down on the
Israeli lobby, inspecting Israeli Dimona nuclear facility. END the Fed scam, take away the
blank check.
Finally, Kennedy had enough, and in a personal letter dated May 18, 1963, the president
warned that unless American inspectors were allowed into Dimona (meaning the end of any
military activities), Israel would find itself totally isolated. Rather than answering,
Ben-Gurion abruptly resigned.
John F. Kennedy Administration: Summary of Eshkol Reply To Kennedy Letter (November 9,
1963)
In the November 12 talks we hope through open and frank responses to convince the Israeli
representatives of our sympathetic interest in their security concerns and of our genuine
desire to help Israel to the best of our ability. We will press the view that U.S. ability to
deter aggression against Israel makes less imperative the need for Israel to maintain clear
military superiority over the U.A.R. in all fields and underlines the futility of large
expenditures of time, effort and money on a spiralling arms race. We will stress that
Israel's acquisition of missiles could result in a Soviet supply of missiles to the U.A.R.
and that a missile race increases the chance of a missile exchange in which Israel as a
small, compact target would inevitably suffer most.
Details of the JFK-RFK duo's effort to register the American Israel Public Affairs
Committee's (AIPAC) parent organization, the American Zionist Council (AZC) as an Israeli
foreign agent were shrouded in mystery until declassified in mid-2008.
The diary reveals that during his time in Berlin, Kennedy wrote about visiting Hitler's
bunker only months after Germany surrendered in the Second World War.
"You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred
that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived," Kennedy wrote
in his diary in 1945.
"He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the
world, but he had a mystery about him in the way he lived and in the manner of his death that
will live and grow after him," he added. "He had in him the stuff of which legends are
made."
I think this is what happened to JFK when he tried shutting down CIA, cracking down on
the Israeli lobby, inspecting Israeli Dimona nuclear facility. END the Fed scam, take away
the blank check.
Finally, Kennedy had enough, and in a personal letter dated May 18, 1963, the president
warned that unless American inspectors were allowed into Dimona (meaning the end of any
military activities), Israel would find itself totally isolated. Rather than answering,
Ben-Gurion abruptly resigned.
John F. Kennedy Administration: Summary of Eshkol Reply To Kennedy Letter (November 9,
1963)
In the November 12 talks we hope through open and frank responses to convince the Israeli
representatives of our sympathetic interest in their security concerns and of our genuine
desire to help Israel to the best of our ability. We will press the view that U.S. ability to
deter aggression against Israel makes less imperative the need for Israel to maintain clear
military superiority over the U.A.R. in all fields and underlines the futility of large
expenditures of time, effort and money on a spiralling arms race. We will stress that
Israel's acquisition of missiles could result in a Soviet supply of missiles to the U.A.R.
and that a missile race increases the chance of a missile exchange in which Israel as a
small, compact target would inevitably suffer most.
Details of the JFK-RFK duo's effort to register the American Israel Public Affairs
Committee's (AIPAC) parent organization, the American Zionist Council (AZC) as an Israeli
foreign agent were shrouded in mystery until declassified in mid-2008.
The diary reveals that during his time in Berlin, Kennedy wrote about visiting Hitler's
bunker only months after Germany surrendered in the Second World War.
"You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred
that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived," Kennedy wrote
in his diary in 1945.
"He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the
world, but he had a mystery about him in the way he lived and in the manner of his death that
will live and grow after him," he added. "He had in him the stuff of which legends are
made."
The last paragraph torpedoes the rest of the article! If anyone deserves to be called a
"fatcat" and a member of the "US plutocrat class", it's Donald Trump! If that class is
seeking to "take back" the US from somebody, it can't possibly be Trump. He's one of them.
Isn't it more likely that they are trying to take it back from the "Russian plutocrat
class" of gangsters behind Vladimir Putin and their American supporters? Trying to take
one's country back from foreigners, or prevent foreigners from getting control of it, is
hardly an ignoble enterprise! Certainly not where I come from!
The analysis of the UVA Amsterdam professor Laslo Maracs is that Trump, and his rich
friends, understand that the USA is no longer capable of maintaining an empire, and that war
for enlarging the empire is even more suicide than trying to maintain the empire.
Already around 1910 the British empire no longer could maintain the two fleet standard,
Obama had to lower the USA two war standard to one and a half.
What a half war accomplishes we see in Syria.
WWII destroyed the British empire, as the British said after the war, poor, after Truman
ended LendLease overnight, less food than in the war 'we won the war, and lost the
peace'.
So the fact that Trump is rich, and has rich friends, does not mean he's part of the whole
rich USA clique.
"the US has gone from a reasonably free country where civil liberties were protected under the law, to a state-of-the-art
surveillance state ruled by invisible elites who see the American people as an obstacle to their global ambitions"
One of the clearest telltales that indicate just how far we have deviated from our former "reasonably free country" is how
today, the wealthy, elite corporate and civic leaders have isolated themselves from the general community. Formerly anyone could
find the address of his community's leaders because they lived scattered amongst the common people. Even Who's Who gave out the
city in which a prominent person lived and from there one could consult the telephone directory.
Today, the elite have wiped clean any public trace of where they live. Their phone numbers are not published in a public telephone
directory. It's as though they don't want their fellow citizens to know their whereabouts. Why is that?
As I say, there's no clearer indication that our leaders no longer identify with the people of the communities they rule. Either
they are afraid--and justifiably so because of their treasonous behavior--or they are just plain disdainful--also likely, since
the two are not mutually exclusive. Their fear is the opposite side of the coin of their disdain but at any rate, it's an acknowledgement
by them that the sense of community knitted together by common bonds, is gone.
everything you say is true and it does not matter unless you are an American.
our elites along with the english have been ruling the world for 5 centuries and are now in hysteria because all that is now
drawing to a close. without the usa military acting as a global enforcer for elites wet dreams they remain wet dreams.
Russia now technically has thwarted our elites from using muscle. China's economic rise will supplant the usa within a decade
and by the 2030′s the financial center of the world will move to shanghai from new york/london.
The entire history of mankind speaks the same tale. once and empire collapses it NEVER recovers its former status and power.
the anglosaxon empire is now running on empty ergo the media hysteria of russia this and that. even the serfs ..thats you and
i ..can no longer be trusted to vote the way we are told.
the msm is dying as the go to organization for people control. we no longer live in the 20th century so the iron fist of ruling
is pretty much out as an option.
the elites have their wealth but their power at least here is on the downswing.
ideas and opinion are how societies are controlled and the elite orgs for disseminating these things have become embarassingly
overt which makes their effectivness drop towards zero . hence the hysteria.
when you have nothing to sell or nothing anyone with a brain will purchase you have to appeal to irrational emotions but that
is a futile game plan because maintaining that level of frantic enrgy is exhausting and collapses in time of its own accord.
all the rising east has to do is watch us eat ourselves to death. they have to do nothing aggressive towards our deep state
idiots in power do it for them.
at the end of the day americans will still be stuck with the swamp until it collapses into bankruptcy once the dollar loses
its reserve status still some years ahead . by 2030.
once the dollars loses its status america becomes regular nation. how we pick up the pieces after that will be the real story.
"... Tyranny Comes Home: The Domestic Fate of U.S. Militarism, Christopher J. Coyne and Abigail R. Hall, Stanford University Press 2018, 280 pages ..."
Millennials and members of Generation Z have spent much of if not their entire lives at war.
As I've noted in these
pages and elsewhere , the
Afghan conflict is now in its 17th year, with
more than 6,000 days having gone by, making it the longest war in American history. I was
12 years old when that war began in 2001; I'm now a month out from my 29th birthday. Beginning
next year, the newly enlisted 18-year-olds who are deployed to Afghanistan will be younger than
the war they are fighting.
The Iraq war began in 2003, saw a major troop withdrawal in 2011, and then was re-escalated
by former President Obama in 2014. American forces remain there today to aid in the fight
against the Islamic State, despite an agreement
with the Iraqis that was supposed to begin a troop drawdown. An American-led regime change
intervention turned Libya into a failed state. And we have blanketed countries such as Pakistan
and Yemen with drone warfare, so much so that
drones now haunt their citizens' dreams . U.S. Special Forces were on
the ground conducting activities in 149 countries as of 2017.
This kind of foreign policy adventurism is hardly unique to the present day. America has
been aggressively deploying its military on foreign soil since the late 19th century. As
Stephen Kinzer shows in his book Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to
Iraq, we got our foot in the door of the regime change business all the way
back in 1893 with our acquisition of Hawaii.
Living in a post-9/11 world has shattered any inclination to view domestic life as separate
from and unaffected by foreign policy, particularly since the 2013 publication of classified
NSA documents leaked to the press by Edward Snowden. Snowden's revelations threw back the
curtain on an omnipresent surveillance apparatus under which very few aspects of our digital
lives were left unmonitored -- all in the name of national security and the global war on
terror.
The Snowden leaks demonstrate how an adventurous foreign policy can have negative
consequences for liberty at home. Now, political economists Christopher Coyne and Abigail Hall
have documented this phenomenon in their important new book, Tyranny Comes Home: The Domestic Fate of U.S. Militarism .
In their words, "coercive foreign intervention creates opportunities to develop and refine
methods and technologies of social control."
Coyne and Hall, economists at George Mason University and the University of Tampa
respectively, introduce a concept for understanding this phenomenon called the "boomerang
effect." It works like this: the constraints on the activities of the U.S. government in the
realm of foreign policy are generally weak, which enables those involved in foreign
interventions to engage in practices abroad that would meet some institutional resistance on
the home front. Eventually, though, interventions end, the interveners come home, and the
practices employed on foreign soil are imported for use against the domestic population.
This importation happens along three separate channels. First, there is the development of
human capital -- the skills, knowledge, and other characteristics that contribute to one's
productive capacity. All companies, organizations, and agencies have goals they seek to
accomplish, so they hire people with the right kind of human capital to execute said goals.
Foreign intervention is no different.
Among the characteristics necessary for interveners include extreme confidence in their
ability to solve complex problems in other countries, a sense of superiority and righteousness,
comfort with pushing the ethical envelope, limited compassion and sympathy for the targeted
population, and the association of state order with control. Interventionists, as Coyne and
Hall put it, treat "society as a grand science project that can be rationalized and improved on
by enlightened and well-intentioned engineers."
The second phase occurs when the interventionists come home. Some may retire, but many go to
work in various public- and private-sector jobs. The skills and mentalities that served them
well abroad don't disappear, so they begin employing their unique human capital domestically.
Those who land in the public sector are able to influence domestic policy, where they see
threats to liberty becoming manifest. Because of the relative lack of constraints when
operating in a foreign theater, tactics that would otherwise cross the line domestically are
seen as standard operating procedure.
Finally, physical capital plays a significant role in bringing methods of foreign
intervention back home. Technological innovation "allows governments to use lower-cost methods
of social control with a greater reach." The federal government spends billions annually on
research and development, which buys a variety of different capabilities. These technologies,
many originally intended for foreign populations, can be used domestically. One example the
authors point to are the surveillance methods originally used in the Iraq war that found their
way to the Baltimore Police Department for routine use.
The implication of the boomerang effect for policing doesn't end with surveillance. It can
also help explain police militarization, the origins of which lie in the foreign interventions
of the Progressive Era, specifically in the Philippines.
In the wake of the Spanish-American War, Spain ceded its colonial territories to the United
States. This led to the Philippine-American War, a bloody conflict
that directly and indirectly caused the deaths of 200,000 Filipino civilians, and which
ended in 1902.
As veterans returned home from the Philippines, many sought careers in law enforcement where
they were able to implement practices inspired by their days in the military. The effect of
this was to "establish precedents whereby military personnel and tactics not only would be
considered legitimate but welcomed" by police administrations. Police militarization wouldn't
kick into high gear until the latter half of the 20th century, with the introduction of SWAT
teams and the federalization of law enforcement during the LBJ and Nixon years. The men behind
the development of SWAT were veterans of the Vietnam War.
What ultimately creates the conditions for this boomerang effect to take place? One factor,
Coyne and Hall argue, is fear. Fear and crisis, both perceived and real, creates "space for
government to expand the scope of its powers and adopt the techniques of state-produced social
control that it has developed and honed abroad." Fear can lead people to seek assurances from
authorities, which goads them into tolerating and even demanding expansions of state powers --
powers that in less fearful times they would not accept.
Once accumulated, that power becomes a normal part of life, and isn't easily given up, as
the great economic historian Robert Higgs shows in his classic work Crisis and Leviathan . Anyone who has gone through airport
security over the last 17 years understands this, as the fear of terror attacks after 9/11 has
led to ratcheted up airline security measures by the TSA. This has resulted in some fairly
egregious violations of person and privacy, despite very
little evidence that they work.
Coyne's and Hall's book is a great, conceptually holistic investigation into how the state
can threaten our liberty. Economists regularly recognize the unintended consequences of
domestic policy; Coyne and Hall have explained the unintended consequences of foreign policy,
and their costs. It's particularly timely, as President Trump's tenure has seen decision-making
authority at the Pentagon pushed down the chain of command, leaving the United States'
war-making capabilities even less accountable and transparent. This book is an incisive
elucidation of what writer Randolph Bourne recognized a century ago and of which we could use a
perpetual reminder: war truly is the health of the state.
Jerrod A. Laber is a writer and Free Society Fellow with Young Voices. He is a
contributor to the Washington Examiner , and his work has appeared in Real Clear
Defense , Quillette , and the Columbus Dispatch , among others.
"... The problem is CIA impunity. CIA uses it to make money -- and to make plutocrats and keep them in line. You don't like plutocrats? Good for you. Lock up some CIA scumbags, storm Langley and take the files, problem solved. ..."
This article is a tour de force of beating around the bush. It relates a campaign initiated
and led by CIA DCI John Brennan, prosecuted with illegal secret government surveillance,
coerced confessions, and suppressed investigation of the murder of Seth Rich. And it blames
the Plutocrat Class.
How many divisions does the Plutocrat Class have? Does the Plutocrat Class have impunity
for murder, torture, and denial of the rights of trial? Does the Plutocrat Class have
anything like these get-out-jail-free cards?
The Central Intelligence Agency Act, which
put CIA covert crime beyond the reach of any court. The Rogers-Houston MOU permitting the DCI
to abort DoJ investigations with the magic words 'national security.'
The Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which makes the identity of CIA criminals a
state secret. The operational files exemption to FOIA, which prohibits public scrutiny of
evidence of CIA crime.
The 'political questions' judicial doctrine which stops judicial review of CIA crimes
condoned, however vaguely or unwittingly, by Congress.
The article outlines criminal coup de main by domestic enemies, and sics us on cartoon
Rich Uncle Pennybags.
Don't get wrapped around the axle overthinking some rock-paper-scissors transitivity
relations of abstract political and economic power -- that's CIA-infiltrated Paris Review
bullshit. Impunity beats money every time. To understand this, just watch what happens when a
plutocrat gets in CIA's way. You see right away who's in charge. Plutocrat Ralph Nacchio
learned his lesson, didn't he?
Plutocrat Elliot Spitzer learned his lesson. Dynastic plutocrats John and Bobby Kennedy
didn't learn their lesson fast enough, but everybody else got the message.
The problem is CIA impunity. CIA uses it to make money -- and to make plutocrats and
keep them in line. You don't like plutocrats? Good for you. Lock up some CIA scumbags, storm
Langley and take the files, problem solved.
"... Surprisingly, most Americans have not been taken in by the media's promotional hoopla about elections and democracy. They have a fairly-decent grasp of how the system works and who ultimately benefits from it. ..."
"... That democracy is a sham has been the case for decades. It is doubtful the American electorate has a grasp about anything, but regardless .what will they do about it? ..."
The survey appears to confirm that democracy in the United States is largely a sham. Our
elected representatives are not the agents of political change, but cogs in a vast
bureaucratic machine that operates mainly in the interests of the behemoth corporations and
banks.
Surprisingly, most Americans have not been taken in by the media's promotional
hoopla about elections and democracy. They have a fairly-decent grasp of how the system
works and who ultimately benefits from it.
That democracy is a sham has been the case for decades. It is doubtful the American
electorate has a grasp about anything, but regardless .what will they do about it?
Surprisingly, most Americans have not been taken in by the media's promotional hoopla
about elections and democracy. They have a fairly-decent grasp of how the system works and
who ultimately benefits from it.
One can only hope that is true, but I have my doubts.
Damned good question, Real. Since they have a collection of dossiers on everyone in a
position to do something, I suspect nothing. Oh, they may sacrifice a Brennan, much more
likely McCabe, Struzck (or whatever), Lisa Page. They were the operatives. But then, faced
with ten years, thrown to the wolves, denied his pension, facing jail, with McCabe, maybe
they can play let's make a deal. Brennan would HATE that. Then, those operatives maybe start
having accidents. The trick is to keep everyone quiet. One way or the other. They really want
to protect Hillary, but I don't get it. Maybe if Hillary could tell HER tales it could trade
UP to Soros. He's a monster.
Things roll down hills, Real, DC is a funny place. Believe me, the lights burn furiously
all over Washington these days, the bad guys, the Deep State need to cover all this. The
private recriminations must be hideous. All around them, people that can bring them down and
you really cannot kill everyone. The last one was Monica, that was several departments
working 24/7 for a couple of years. That was blow jobs by actual comparison. But this one is
sizzling. This one means the country, war, the integrity of our systems, or will put the lie
to formerly noble notions. This one tell us if we're the United States with Justice For All,
or if we're a Commercial/Military Junta. We have to pick one.
"That democracy is a sham has been the case for decades."
Yes, I agree, and the biggest sham of all is that somehow the US is SUPPOSED to be a
democracy. That's pure bullshit. The word 'democracy" doesn't appear in the text of the
Constitution, and the early statesmen opposed the very idea, calling it "mob rule", "king
numbers" and "the tyranny of the majority", among other epithets.
Congress members are required to swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not
to bow to majority opinion on anything, whether that opinion comes from their own
constituency or not. The democracy scam gives Congress members the pretext for disregarding
the Constitution or for cherry picking the provisions of the document using "the will of the
people" as a defense for their malfeasance.
Perversely, this also ends up betraying the interests of their true constituents in favor
of providing for the interests of whoever pays them the biggest bribes. In a democracy, the
representatives allow themselves to do whatever they think will feather their own nests while
claiming that they are bowing to the will of "the people".
You are quite right, Power Elite is more accurate description, but now that the
term Deep State has reached common parlance, is it useful to try to rebrand them?
Well, perhaps, because what we have now is a general misidentification (misdirection!) of
defining the Deep State. Some single out the Intel agencies, others blame think-tanks, some
even blame career civil servants (the 'bureaucrat' smear). Are these accusers really
gatekeepers for the deep money interests?
All the same, how would you do it, and is it worthwhile? We've had the same chatter about
the Fake News, i.e. MSM vs. Legacy News vs. Corporate News vs. Big News, etc. Some good work
is coming out under Deep State -
Misunderstanding the Deep State
CIA Agent Whistleblower Risks All To Expose The Shadow Government
The 'deep state' is not a 'conspiracy theory', it is a basic fact beyond debating. The deep
state by definition means the USA's military industrial complex, i.e. all of the massive
security agencies (Dept of Defense; CIA; State Dept; Pentagon; US Army; CentComm; Navy;
Marines; NSA; NSC; etc) combined with their partners in the corporate sector who sell them
the equipment: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, General
Electric, SAIC, Huntington Ingalls, etc. The 'revolving door' between these two sectors is a
key aspect of the deep state: top ranking brass leave public service to take top positions at
these defense corporations, or become lobbyists for them to continue their multi-billion
dollar contracts at the government trough. The top officials at the security agencies often
have careers spanning decades: these people are 'the deep state' personified. Presidents come
and go, they are window dressing. The deep state calls the shots.
Maybe better to say 'Deep State shoots, and wants far more shooting'.
Just this day a former member of the EU Commission, he did Foreign Affairs, retired, appeared
on the leading German tv channel, with deep doubts about May's assertions, and deep concern
where the anti Russia propaganda will lead to.
He had negotiated with Putin, who he described a very rational man.
He still was quite emotional about the western lies that lead to the attack on Iraq.
BBC, or BBCW, did not watch it myself, broadcast the same interview, also, today.
One cannot fool all people for all times.
BS. The "power elite" in the US is associated with a clearly identifiable group, which
doesn't even hide its own tribal interest and allegiances. A parasite lodged in a host. Its
messianic DNA slowly unfolds and takes over the host's vital functions. Loss of identity and
cognitive ability are only phases preceding total destruction. The complicit host is
apparently fully and gleefully embracing its fate.
Yeah. Distract them with the race issue. Kill extra couple of blacks. Provoke riots. Seen
some money to BLM. And have the right and alt-right and all Sailers write about race , IQ
until they dissipate all energy they got.
It's impossible to overstate the significance of the survey. The data suggest that
representative democracy is a largely a fraud, that congressmen and senators are mostly
sock-puppets who do the bidding of wealthy powerbrokers, and that the entire system is
impervious to the will of the people.
How far-off it it to naming the Jews as the powerbrokers?
How far-off is the JQ – one year – two, three, four?
Lol yep here we go again it must be Russia and Putin,I sure hope nothing happens to
either, for if it did you would have nothing to live for,that grand place you live in would
be awful lonesome with out either to whine about ,.
It seems you may have missed the main thrust of the article. It is that the Deep State is
directing what Trump does or doesn't do. Trump may not like what he is doing but he has
little choice but to eat crap and comfort himself with vacuous bluster on Twitter.
Deep state?
Sounds like what they called "corporate state" a century ago, especially since there's
little hidden and nothing profound about it. Should be called "mafia state."
The Deep State wielded preponderant power over this nation at least by the time Lincoln
was buried, and its main actors then were virtually all pure WASPs (the non-Wasps were all
Protestants of Continental Germanic ancestry, some of them Saxons, as was Martin Luther).
Jews didn't become the major power in the US Deep State until well after WW2. Probably
after the assassination of JFK. Of course, you also need to face the many implications of the facts that Anglo-Saxon
Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy and that archetypal Mr. WASP himself Oliver Cromwell made
the alliance with Jews concrete.
WASP culture is doing what it always was meant to do.
The Deep State was called The Shadow Government in the 9o's.
And its the same thing it always was people and groups with ideologies or money
interest or power interest or foreign interest ..all trying to direct the government to serve
their interest.
And for the most part they have been successful in doing that.
I don't think that "deep state" is a correct term or that "unelected officials" are so
crucial.
What you got here is typical of any country: power elite . This elite is, in most
modern countries, comprised of big money (different sources in different lands), dominant
media & controllers of intellectual discourse through academia, military infrastructure
plus professional politicians, various intelligence agencies etc.
Only, the power elite is not eternally homogeneous & can be engaged in internal
warfare, and sometimes collapse.
says: March 28, 2018 at
1:28 am GMT 200 Words @L.K Michael
Scheuer may be better than the avg but he is still much LESS than honest when he talks about
the wars in Iraq and Syria.
The reality is that ISIS, Al Qaeda in Syria(formerly known as Nusra Front) & all other
Salafist groups which were, from day one, the real "rebel" fighting forces on the ground, were
created/funded and armed by the ZUS led coalition, in order to overthrow the Syrian government
& justify US meddling in Iraq and Syria. There is plenty of evidence for this, and yet M.
Scheuer does not have much to say about it.
From Prof. Anderson's book "The Dirty War on Syria", we read:
In mid-2012, US intelligence reported two important facts about the violence in Syria. Firstly, most of the armed 'insurgency' was being driven by extremist al Qaeda groups, and
second, the sectarian aim of those groups was 'exactly' what the US and its allies wanted
.
The DIA(Defense Intelligence Agency) wrote:
'The Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood and AQI are the major forces driving the insurgency in
Syria There is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality
in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers [The
West, Gulf monarchies and Turkey] to the [Syrian] opposition want, in order to isolate the
Syrian regime' (DIA 2012).
The US also observed (and certainly did not stop) the channelling of arms from Benghazi
in Libya to 'al Qaeda groups' in Syria, in August 2012.
New Evidence US Backed ISIS - Ron Paul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo2GYQxopbM
Ex-DIA boss Michael Flynn: White House took "willful decision" to fund, train Syria
Islamists ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccdeANvo2bg Agreed, no doubt ISIS was US/Israeli and probably
many others creation. Probably many more groups have spawned from the original that we don't
know of. No telling how many different states and corporations are funding these mercenary
psychos for their own gain. I won't pretend to know everything that goes on over there, I try
my best with the little time I have to keep up with the madness.
It would be nice if he or someone with inside info. and credibility would spill the beans on
9/11, he seems to walk a strait line when it comes to that issue too, maybe he just isn't ready
to be involuntarily suicided.. He is pretty brave to rip into Israel the way he does.
He seems like a pretty honest well meaning dude. One of the few I've heard that I trust.
Sad but true:
FBI Uncovers Al-Qaeda Plot To Just Sit Back And Enjoy Collapse Of United States
F.Y.I., Solzhenitsyn described a traditional Russian proverb on a person's natural eagerness
to take revenge upon a bad other who does harm to a community.
The proverb goes like this : "Never interfere with someone powerful & bad because they
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Hi redmudhooch,
Thanks for posting this!
The strategy makes perfect sense.
F.Y.I., Solzhenitsyn described a traditional Russian proverb on a person's natural
eagerness to take revenge upon a bad other who does harm to a community.
The proverb goes like this : "Never interfere with someone powerful & bad because they
are in the process of destroying themselves."
"... "The invasion of Iraq is often spoken of in the United States as a 'blunder,' or even a 'colossal mistake.' It was a crime. Those who perpetrated it are still at large. Some of them have even been rehabilitated thanks to the horrors of Trumpism and a mostly amnesiac citizenry." ..."
The Iraq War architects have been thoroughly rehabilitated and are planning
their next adventure, even as the catastrophic ramifications of their crimes continue to
reverberate around the world. Last week marked the 15th anniversary of the American invasion of
Iraq in 2003. April 9 will be the 15th anniversary of the fall of Baghdad. The consequences of
these events are still playing out today, from Mali to Niger, to the Philippines. Iraq has
never recovered and is only beginning to emerge from the trauma, while American officials plan
the next military adventure.
Writing in the New York Times, Iraqi novelist Sinan Antoon
observed : "The invasion of Iraq is often spoken of in the United States as a
'blunder,' or even a 'colossal mistake.' It was a crime. Those who perpetrated it are still at
large. Some of them have even been rehabilitated thanks to the horrors of Trumpism and a mostly
amnesiac citizenry."
The rehabilitation of the neocons
Indeed, the rise of Trump has provided the cabal of Iraq War architects with a rebranding
opportunity. After their utter failure in Iraq, these people were largely disgraced and no
longer taken seriously outside of right-wing circles. But Trumpism, and the desire of liberals
to oust the current president, has led to an anti-Trump coalition which includes at its helm
many of the instrumental figures behind the Iraq invasion. The list includes David
"axis
of evil" Frum, former speechwriter to President George W. Bush and now a senior editor
at the Atlantic, as well as neoconservative think tanker Bill Kristol, and
George W. Bush , who is now celebrated as a pragmatic leader – even by nostalgic
Democrats who contrast him with Trump.
Trump's victory in the Republican primary on a seemingly isolationist platform, which was
obviously a facade, sent many of these neoconservatives running toward Hillary Clinton, the
Democratic nominee. Those who lined
up behind Clinton have since been embraced by the Democratic establishment, while the more
extreme neoconservative hawks who stuck by the Republican Party have effectively inserted
themselves into the Trump administration. The most recent and terrifying of these is John
Bolton, former US ambassador to the UN. Bolton played a key role in politicizing the
intelligence that was used to mislead the public about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And
now he is Trump's national security advisor.
Bolton is a neoconservative extremist who has never seen a country he didn't want to bomb.
On the top of his hit list is Iran and North Korea, though Bolton has expended most of his
energy
agitating for the US to bomb Iran , which he seeks to hand over to the Mujahedin E Khalq (MEK), a
cultish group of Iranian exiles that has received backing from Israeli intelligence and was
formerly classified as a terrorist organization by the United States.
In light of the Iraq war anniversary and the recent appointment of Bolton, it's a good time
to survey the damage that neocons such as Bolton caused in Iraq. The war left an estimated
1 million Iraqis
dead , 4.5 million displaced, 5 million orphaned, some 2 million widowed, and caused
birth
defects and cancer rates in some
Iraqi cities that are significantly worse than those seen in the aftermath of the atomic
bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan at the end of the Second World War.
The irony is that Trump's rise to the presidency is in many ways the fault of the Iraq War
architects. Their policies in Iraq, which were recycled in Libya and Syria, led to
the rise of Islamic State and the refugee crisis that fueled right-wing populists such as
Trump and his counterparts in Europe. The war in Iraq revived a jihadist movement that was dead
after the first few months of the war on Afghanistan, opening the floodgates to jihadists and
their supporters from around the world.
When the US dismantled the Iraqi state in 2003, instead of replacing it with a functioning
government it punished Sunni areas and installed a sectarian Shiite regime comprised of exiles
with no popular support in the country. The US essentially created a new category known as the
Sunni Arab and, where the state collapsed, it was Al-Qaeda who would fight on their behalf. The
inflammation of sectarian fears and lack of security resulted in a power vacuum that opened the
floodgates to Al-Qaeda in Iraq and ignited a gruesome civil war . AQI eventually morphed into
the Islamic State of Iraq. Before morphing into ISIS, ISI established an Al-Qaeda
offshoot in Syria called Jabhat al-Nusra, the strongest and most disciplined armed opposition
group in the country.
ISIS and Al-Qaeda groups cultivate and thrive off of stateless zones as well as a Sunni
Arab victimhood narrative , which started with the execution of Saddam Hussein and has been
propagated throughout the region by popular gulf-funded
religious figures and media outlets such as Al Jazeera Arabic .
Beheadings became a hallmark of the Al Qaeda branch in Iraq under Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who,
unlike Osama bin Laden began to focus on fighting the near enemy -- the Arab dictatorships,
secular people and minorities -- as opposed to the far enemy of the infidel west. We would
later see these beheadings in ISIS propaganda videos aimed at terrifying the west. There was a
theory in the past in bin Laden's era that you should fight the far enemy, the west, before the
near enemy. But under this new and evolved Al Qaeda, whether in Iraq or Yemen or Mali, we saw
local franchises focused on slaughtering their fellow countrymen, with particular genocidal
hatred for Shias.
The American occupation of an Arab country fueled this Salafi jihadist movement on a global
scale. The occupation led to sympathy for this Iraqi jihad throughout the Muslim world, which
meant foreign fighters coming in and a huge amount of funding from the gulf.
This global war on terror framework was also implemented by the US in countries such as
Somalia and Yemen and across North Africa as well.
The Iraq War gave us Donald Trump
In spite of America's criminal disaster in Iraq, Barack Obama continued to implement regime
change policies in both Libya and Syria by funding and arming right-wing insurgencies made up
of none other than Al-Qaeda affiliates, the very ideology the US was supposedly fighting in its
global war on terror. Like in Iraq, US intervention led to the rise of a failed state in Libya
and in much of Syria.
In Syria, these failed state zones were then filled by thousands of foreign fighters coming
in from the Turkish border, which the US tolerated as a means to put pressure on the Syrian
regime, hoping the regime would offer concessions, which of course it never did. ISIS
eventually took over many of these failed state areas and began kidnapping westerners and the
group made millions of dollars in ransom money
as a result.
The massive refugee flows which resulted from the US encouraging war and regime change in
the Middle East led to the destabilization of much of Europe and to some extent, the rise of
Donald Trump, who campaigned on the fear-mongering of ISIS, refugees and Muslims. You can trace
all these and other terrible consequences to the US decision to encourage war and state
collapse rather than to prioritize stability and order in the Middle East. It all started with
the Iraq War.
The gift that keeps on giving
The ramifications of the Iraq War are still playing out today, having inspired Salafi
jihadist movements from the
Philippines to Mali and even
Niger , where US soldiers were recently killed by jihadists.
Moreover, the war in Iraq, according to the very people who architected it, has strengthened
Iran in the region. That isn't necessarily a bad thing given that Iran and its partners, such
as Hezbollah and the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF), were crucial to defeating ISIS in
Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. But a strengthened Iran is a nightmare for the US as it threatens
American, Saudi and Israeli hegemony in the region. So, the Iraq war planners are using the
strong position of Iran – created by neoconservative policies – to push for a war
with Iran. They've also expanded their hit list to include Russia, who they're still hoping to
escalate against in Syria.
With Bolton as Trump's national security advisor, a war with Iran is now much more likely.
For the war industry and the neocons who lobby for it, the Iraq war they started is the gift
that keeps on giving.
The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
Rania Khalek is an American journalist, writer and political commentator based in the Middle East.
"... If the USA empire could have been established and maintained, without a CIA, I doubt. Empires are ruthless, 'perfidious Albion' was the expression for the British empire. ..."
Depends on what you see as bad. If the USA empire could have been established and
maintained, without a CIA, I doubt. Empires are ruthless, 'perfidious Albion' was the
expression for the British empire.
Ian Hernon, 'Britain's Forgotten Wars, Colonial Campaigns of the 19th Century', 2003,
2007, Chalford -- Stroud
How an important British diplomat saw British control of the greater part of the world as
the natural order of things
Lord Vansittart, 'The Mist Procession, The autobiography of LORD VANSITTART', London
1958
Great pity that death prevented the biography from going furher than 1938.
The machinations of Vansittart during the thirties are described in
Philip M. Taylor, 'The Projection of Britain, British Overseas Publicity and Propaganda
1919-1939′, Cambridge 1981
and Lawrence R. Pratt, 'East of Malta, West of Suez', London, 1975
The ideas of Vansittart's friend Leeper one finds in Sir Reginald Leeper, 'When Greek
Meets Greek', London 1950
He more or less ruled Greece from 1945 to say 1950.
So how do you reform the Secret Police? It is an interesting idea. The National Security
State has locked out any outside criticism and made reform almost impossible.
Then, there is also the whole indoctrination process. From hire to retire, these three
letter agencies indoctrinate their employees with esprit de corps and being a team player
with the greatest enthusiasm for the mission.
Claim made by high level persons in the link, suggest need for deep investigation into who in
the USA is getting paid to deliver or make available American taxpayer paid for resources to
foreign payee governments conducting terrorism and destabilization programs?
John Brennan is a propaganda whore for the family that owns Comcast. Comcast runs NBC. I
would call them the Roberts family, but none of them look like Henry Fonda, so I won't. I
don't dare speculate what their real name is.
Mike Morell is a propaganda whore for the family that owns Viacom. Viacom runs CBS. I
don't care how convoluted those shysters made the exact corporate control of CBS, they run
it. The family name of these nasty Viacom shysters ain't their real name either.
President Trump should have declared war on the corporate propaganda apparatus and the
Deep State on day number one of his administration. Trump let the shysters who run the
corporate media and the treasonous rats in the Deep State off the hook.
President Trump won the GOP presidential primary and the presidency itself because Trump
promised to put the safety, security and sovereignty of America first. The largest vote
getter in terms of specific issues was the IMMIGRATION issue. Trump had the chance to fire
every damn treasonous rat in the Deep State and he didn't do it. Trump betrayed his voters
who wanted immigration reduced and illegal aliens deported.
President Trump should face a GOP presidential primary challenger. Maybe that will force
Trump to remove the Deep State, remove the current controllers of the corporate media and put
America first.
Trump should also call for an immigration moratorium and begin deporting all illegal
aliens immediately.
Trump's problems with the corporate media and the Deep State stem from the fact that Trump
didn't immediately remove them when he had the chance. Trump's voter base was more than ready
for a "burn the boats on the beach" battle plan to defend the United States against the
treasonous rats in the Deep State and the anti-White, anti-Christian shyster rats in the
corporate media.
"He [Brennan] said that the U.S. President is 'afraid of the president of Russia' and
that the Kremlin 'may have something on him personally.' "
Brennan is PROJECTING.
They have the goods on HIM, and will squeeze out of him every last second of influence
operations as long as he draws breath. Brennan will never be able to get off the HAMSTER
WHEEL alive.
More definitive is Mr. Giraldi's identifying him as a "possible war criminal."
Americans are pragmatic people. Identifying John Brennan as a so-called "war criminal"
because he was involved in all the extraneous crap the American Empire is pulling overseas
won't get the interest of ordinary Americans. Calling John Brennan a "propaganda whore" for
the family that controls Comcast will pique their interest.
I would suggest that John Brennan could be politically damaged the most by stating that
John Brennan supports open borders mass immigration. John Brennan and the rest of the Deep
State are dangerous to Americans because they all support open borders mass immigration. The
corporate media all supports mass immigration.
Over 60 million of us voted for Trump because Trump said he would stop the unnecessary
overseas wars, reduce immigration and scrap the sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams. We
voted for Trump to make the American Empire act more like a republic. We're stuck with the
American Empire until it croaks or is croaked in turn. And the empires all turn into rust
again.
The treasonous rats in the American Empire's Deep State all push nation-wrecking mass
immigration.
But was it CIA or DIA that helped to count Trump votes?
Hmmm, let's see here.
Counted Trump votes but not Clinton's?
Counted but reduced the number of Trump votes?
Counted all of the votes, but inflated Clinton's?
Successfully hacked the voting machines in some states to inflate Clinton votes and deflate
Trump votes?
How Brennon came to power, should draw questions. Was the dethroning of Gen. David Petraeus,
as CIA chief, a palace coup? Was Brennen spying on Petraeus? Was the NSA tapping his phones?
Did the idea that a military man was heading the CIA, anathema to the institution – so
they got rid of him?
Just how much actual power does the CIA have in the American permanent Deep State?
Congress is NO check on the CIA – all the politicians on the intel security
committees are handpicked dedicated worshipers.
The CIA is the most anti democracy organization on the planet. From its beginning, it has
played with, subverted, and toppled democracies and sovereign governments. Today it
assonates, tortures, and bombs people around the world. (Has Trump given them a free
hand?)
The commie cold war is over – let's not start another one. The CIA's covert
activities must stop.
You will gain a better understanding of Vladimir Putin if you study his career as a
sportsman, 3rd degree blackbelt Judoka than by sifting through his career as an ex-spy.
First of all, Judo is a sport. It's not a "martial art". It's not meant to maim or
injure–though of course, people do get injured because they get thrown. Every
particular technique that could inevitably result in injury has been culled from the sport.
You don't "practice" Judo, you "play" it–literally, that's what they say when talking
about participation.
Practice sessions are democratic. Everyone practices against everyone else. Of course,
this results in mismatches as rank beginners will at some point be paired up with advanced
players. But this mismatch doesn't result in humiliation because the advanced take special
pains to play cleanly, pull their throws i.e. execute them perfectly so the person thrown can
land without injury to themselves and it also is an opportunity for every good Judoka to
teach the novices.
There are some people who come to Judo who don't fit in. They standout because they can be
seen really playing rough with those who are lower in rank than them. But this doesn't go
unnoticed. As people cycle through opponents during the practice session, the bully will
eventually be paired up with someone who is better than they are. And they will be taught a
lesson. Either they learn and conform to the rules or they never show up again. Judo weeds
out opportunistic bullies.
Now I hope the above helps people better understand Putin. To sum up: he is competitive
but will try to win fairly, within the prescribed rules. He won't tolerate bullying by the
stronger over the weaker, will, in fact, come to the aid of the weaker. Has a strong sense of
tradition, of belonging to a school of thought and action that is greater than himself and
that is worth preserving for its own sake, believes and more importantly, knows through
experience, that belonging to such a school improves individual character. He is competent.
I've seen film of him in practice and his technique is quite good. His third degree black
belt was honestly earned, it wasn't an honorary award.
From the above it can be seen why he would have little respect for the current crop of
weak, cowardly, politicians who rule America, lacking as they are in discipline, integrity
and dedication to a larger, noble cause. He would, in fact, find it hard not to hold them in
contempt but, keeping his eyes on the long-term goals of what's good for his country, masters
his emotions when dealing with them face to face.
"... Of course the CIA 'interfered' in the 2016 Presidential election. But our Elites do not want that discussed as a mere possibility. We might also look more closely at the CIA and the JFK assassination. ..."
"... The CIA is the child of British imperial secret service, as are the Mossad and the Saudi General Intelligence Presidency. 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse. ..."
"... Why Mueller? Brennan isn't a president, or even a government official at all. He's a former federal employee who is wide open to investigation by the DOJ. Brennan's past terms employment are an open book to the DOJ or to Congress. ..."
"... John Brennan may well be the most dangerous and dirty CIA director in the Company's history. ..."
"... If the USA empire could have been established and maintained, without a CIA, I doubt. Empires are ruthless, 'perfidious Albion' was the expression for the British empire. ..."
"... Which brings us to John Brennan, the Central Intelligence Agency's chief under President Obama, who rushed to MSNBC this week to claim: "The fact that he has had this fawning attitude towards Mr. Putin and has not said anything negative about him, it continues to say something to me that he has something to fear and something serious to fear [from Russia]." ..."
"... Uh huh. Presidents have secrets but they also have power, so if you think they are easily blackmailable, Mr. Brennan may have a third-rate spy novel to sell you. What occurred to anybody who has followed matters closely was a different thought: Mr. Brennan, who has a few things to hide himself, has decided his best defense is a strong offense. ..."
"... For the truth is, Mr. Trump's version of the loudmouth demagogue is increasingly coming out on the better side of the emerging facts on Russia. The Kremlin wasn't the most consequential meddler in the 2016 election: It was James Comey's FBI, with Mr. Brennan standing obscurely at his elbow every step of the way. ..."
"... If a planted Russian intercept was instrumental in the fiasco of Mr. Comey's intervention in the Hillary Clinton email matter, as numerous leaks indicate, then that intercept would have come from Mr. Brennan's CIA. What's more, it likely came not with a shrug, but with a clear expectation that Mr. Comey would act to protect a Clinton presidency from an alleged Russian plot. ..."
"... John Brennan is a propaganda whore for the family that owns Comcast. Comcast runs NBC. I would call them the Roberts family, but none of them look like Henry Fonda, so I won't. I don't dare speculate what their real name is. ..."
"... Mike Morell is a propaganda whore for the family that owns Viacom. Viacom runs CBS. I don't care how convoluted those shysters made the exact corporate control of CBS, they run it. The family name of these nasty Viacom shysters ain't their real name either. ..."
"... Is this trolling or naïvete? All US investigating agencies are complicit, so who is going to investigate investigators? ..."
"... Americans are pragmatic people. Identifying John Brennan as a so-called "war criminal" because he was involved in all the extraneous crap the American Empire is pulling overseas won't get the interest of ordinary Americans. Calling John Brennan a "propaganda whore" for the family that controls Comcast will pique their interest. ..."
Trump is clearly having a perilous time trying to put together a defense team. He is made to
look the fool on an hourly basis. It isn't even news anymore. Fans of his in the media were
complaining about the 60 Minutes broadcast asking isn't "there more" in terms of news
value?
It was with that pending backdrop that we heard from Brennan. It took no courage. Trump is
in the ring and he's battered. Make no mistake others heard what Brennan was making clear.
Yes, Trump is headed for the "dustbin" and it's just a matter of how. Brennan was telling
those that matter to back off and let it happen. Quality legal counsel trust Trump about as
much as Brennan does.
We saw the large number of Russians tossed out yesterday. Trump acquiesced, though made no
statement. The decision was probably taken while the president was preparing for his Florida
break and how best to react to his porn actress assignation, that never happened (in his
mind).
The system is obviously sick to the point of degeneracy yet some still proclaim that it
can still be "reformed" if we somehow manage to magically get the right guy into the
m̶o̶n̶a̶r̶c̶h̶y̶, I mean prezudensy.
'Taint gonna happen goys 'n squirrels.
It is a system that robs all who work for a living.
What, -- did I hear you say that this of which we have spoken, gives employment to lots
of people? That is an insult to the intelligence of any thinking person, yet that statement
is excusable as long as we continue the existing business and political scheme. As things
now are, the main thing aimed at by the wealth grabbers is to use us -- to make of us mere
machines to wear out in producing wealth for them.
-Charles A. Lindbergh, Why is your country at war and what happens to you after the war,
and related subjects, p 36-7. (1917)
Thanks to President Truman for both the CIA and recognizing the spawning of Israel, two
demonic entities that have and continue to give both America and the world an endless amount
of trouble, while leeching money out of our economy.
Thank Mr. Giraldi for not babbling on about the latest washed up porn star who claims that
Trump bedded her, which makes for endless conversations among the rubes, while the CIA
continues on with its world-wide assassination program, moving paid for jihadists to Syria,
helping the head-chopping Saudi dictator remain in office, running opium out of Afghanistan
and making sure 90% of the MSM keeps feeding toxic slop to people in the guise of news.
Of course the CIA 'interfered' in the 2016 Presidential election. But our Elites do
not want that discussed as a mere possibility. We might also look more closely at the CIA and
the JFK assassination.
The CIA is the child of British imperial secret service, as are the Mossad and the
Saudi General Intelligence Presidency. 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
Morell:
"commitment to our nation's security: her belief that America is an exceptional nation that
must lead in the world for the country to remain secure and prosperous; her understanding
that diplomacy can be effective only if the country is perceived as willing and able to use
force if necessary; and her capacity to make the most difficult decision of all: whether to
put young American women and men in harm's way."
What a fine chunk of bullsheat. I wonder how long it took him to come up with that.
Everybody with over 100 IQ knows who steers foreign policy, and they are not American
patriots.
The CIA is the USA's secret army, of course the director is a criminal, judged by common
standards.
If the CIA manipulated elections, I doubt, as nearly all military, they're not very
intelligent.
Only a mighty revolution will even begin to drain the massive D.C. swamp of the
deleterious scum and muck that fills it.
However it has to be a revolution of the spirit and it has to be continuous as you no
doubt already know.
Violent revolutions quickly burn themselves out and are soon co-opted by the usual sleaze.
It's very apparent it even happened to the much vaunted Am Rev, and we see the inevitable
results today. There never, ever, shall be any MAGA. It's merely circus time rhetoric and we
all know that there's a sucker born every minute.
"But while I beheld with pleasure the dawn of liberty rising in Europe, I saw with
regret the lustre of it fading in America
But a faction, acting in disguise, was rising in America; they had lost sight of first
principles. They were beginning to contemplate government as a profitable monopoly, and the
people as hereditary property."
THOMAS PAINE TO THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES,
And particularly to the Leaders of the Federal Faction.
LETTER I, Nov 15, 1802
"Brennan should be thoroughly investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, "
Why Mueller? Brennan isn't a president, or even a government official at all. He's a
former federal employee who is wide open to investigation by the DOJ. Brennan's past terms
employment are an open book to the DOJ or to Congress.
It probably wouldn't take a week for felony charges to be brought against him and he could
be in jail waiting for a trial. Any ordinary citizen is subject to being hounded by the FBI
and charged with multiple felonies, having charges piled up against him until he agrees to
bargain with a guilty plea.
That happens all the time to ordinary citizens. The same could be done to Brennan, who is
just another civilian now. I guess, though, that we would need to have an AG who would be
willing to target a fellow Swamp Creature.
The government will never investigate Brennan or any of the other deep state organs as they
are controlled by the Zionists who also control every facet of the gov, and this control was
proven by the fact that Israel and the deep state did 911 and got away with it.
They might as well call for a real investigation of 911, have a snowballs chance in hell
of getting that done.
You will gain a better understanding of Vladimir Putin if you study his career as a
sportsman, 3rd degree blackbelt Judoka than by sifting through his career as an ex-spy.
First of all, Judo is a sport. It's not a "martial art". It's not meant to maim or injure
-- though of course, people do get injured because they get thrown. Every particular
technique that could inevitably result in injury has been culled from the sport. You don't
"practice" Judo, you "play" it -- literally, that's what they say when talking about
participation.
Practice sessions are democratic. Everyone practices against everyone else. Of course,
this results in mismatches as rank beginners will at some point be paired up with advanced
players. But this mismatch doesn't result in humiliation because the advanced take special
pains to play cleanly, pull their throws i.e. execute them perfectly so the person thrown can
land without injury to themselves and it also is an opportunity for every good Judoka to
teach the novices.
There are some people who come to Judo who don't fit in. They standout because they can be
seen really playing rough with those who are lower in rank than them. But this doesn't go
unnoticed. As people cycle through opponents during the practice session, the bully will
eventually be paired up with someone who is better than they are. And they will be taught a
lesson. Either they learn and conform to the rules or they never show up again. Judo weeds
out opportunistic bullies.
Now I hope the above helps people better understand Putin. To sum up: he is competitive
but will try to win fairly, within the prescribed rules. He won't tolerate bullying by the
stronger over the weaker, will, in fact, come to the aid of the weaker. Has a strong sense of
tradition, of belonging to a school of thought and action that is greater than himself and
that is worth preserving for its own sake, believes and more importantly, knows through
experience, that belonging to such a school improves individual character. He is competent.
I've seen film of him in practice and his technique is quite good. His third degree black
belt was honestly earned, it wasn't an honorary award.
From the above it can be seen why he would have little respect for the current crop of
weak, cowardly, politicians who rule America, lacking as they are in discipline, integrity
and dedication to a larger, noble cause. He would, in fact, find it hard not to hold them in
contempt but, keeping his eyes on the long-term goals of what's good for his country, masters
his emotions when dealing with them face to face.
Not all CIA is bad believe it or not..
Meet CIA Intelligence Officer Michael Scheuer, says Parkland and Las Vegas shootings were
false flags and FBI is covering them up. Goes on to encourage Americans to arm themselves and
stockpile ammo, seems he knows something we don't.
Trump should hire this guy, he doesn't mince words when it comes to Israel either, he is da
man.
If only America had more guys like this in govt, how awesome would America be?
Former CIA Intelligence Officer Dr. Michael Scheuer
You have half a point, from my reading, Truman turned OSS into CIA. Do you think there was
some magical and instant change in the organisation?
On Israel, he may have been having his shoulders twisted, but his writings are very clear
that he found the proto-neocons to be very irritating, specifically the new arrivals from
Europe.
As an outside observer, and excepting the cruel continuing of LeMay's firebombing and the
two atomic bombs, the latter and former clearly war crimes, taking their records into
account, I can not think of one U.S.A. president who was any good since Harding. Perhaps
Coolidge.
They all have their moments, whether the moments are good, bad or meaningless, but the bad
is always outweighing the good.
Philip Giraldi wrote: "Time to find out if CIA interfered in the 2016 election."
Hi Phil,
If Brennan's CIA did not interfere in the volatile 2016 election, I'd be rather
disappointed in them. Will explain. CIA Directors are typically partisan to whichever
political party appoints them to serve. The agency has a long history of interference in
foreign government elections, and a willingness to serve major corporate interests and
foreign governments, i.e., Israel, those interests above & beyond dumb goyim basic
needs.
Consequently, when a solid argument (with evidence) is made that CIA interfered in the
2016 presidential election, the first thing that must be cleared up is the "smoke" that the
CIA works to defend the integrity of American "elections" which allot no other citizen option
but to tolerate and accept Jewish Lobbies who influence (determine) both the outcome of
Congressional & Executive offices.
No doubt, our country's sorry fate would be comforted by a high profile investigation into
Brennan. However, who will conduct such investigation. Robert Mueller who was FBI Director
during the uninvestigated 9/11 attacks?
And then we have 9/11′s CIA Director, George Tenet. I have no clue about CIA funding
for it's operations, but given the huge annual budget allotment to the ZUS Department of
Defense, how was it possible for ESPECIALLY the Pentagon to get victimized by a commercial
airplane attack.
Even moreso than Brennan, does ex-Director Tenet deserve to stand accountable to a serious
criminal coverup investigation, which of course would be the nation's first?
Below is a You Tube video that features an interesting interview with Mark Rossini,
former-FBI "Counter Terrorism" agent and who served under Robert Mueller's command.
Minus any reference to (well known) nefarious Mossad activities in the U.S., Mr. Rossini
tells a passionate story about his attempts to call attention to troublesome Saudi operations
in the "Homeland" prior to 9/11 and how his agency was "coddling the Saudis."
Yes, to expose ex-Director Brennan's more recent "lies" is very necessary. But the man
stood atop an agency that set an incredible example of "by deception we do war" and the
collateral damage is
mankind. "Let's roll!"
Thank you, Philip.
Selah, Great and Holy Tuesday Commemoration of the Ten Wise Virgins (Mt 25:14)
"He [Brennan] said that the U.S. President is 'afraid of the president of Russia' and
that the Kremlin 'may have something on him personally.' "
John Brennan may well be the most dangerous and dirty CIA director in the Company's
history. I think he was engaging in projection when he uttered the above comments.
The true darkness at the heart of the 2016 'hacked' election story is that the Podesta
emails revealed the existence of a pedophile cult in the upper echelons of D.C. society. And
that John Podesta, a long-time CIA asset, was running the cult as an influence and blackmail
operation. Brennan's hands were deep into that miasma, and he has been working overtime at
misdirection since the election.
No fan of Trump and his crew here, but the other team, the D.C. establishment, are much
worse.
We had our bipartisan corporate tax reduction, one of only two things our partisans can agree
on. The other is the ongoing war to make Israel Great. Rinse and repeat.
Depends on what you see as bad. If the USA empire could have been established and
maintained, without a CIA, I doubt. Empires are ruthless, 'perfidious Albion' was the
expression for the British empire.
Ian Hernon, 'Britain's Forgotten Wars, Colonial Campaigns of the 19th Century', 2003,
2007, Chalford -- Stroud
How an important British diplomat saw British control of the greater part of the world as
the natural order of things
Lord Vansittart, 'The Mist Procession, The autobiography of LORD VANSITTART', London
1958
Great pity that death prevented the biography from going furher than 1938.
The machinations of Vansittart during the thirties are described in
Philip M. Taylor, 'The Projection of Britain, British Overseas Publicity and Propaganda
1919-1939′, Cambridge 1981
and
Lawrence R. Pratt, 'East of Malta, West of Suez', London, 1975
The ideas of Vansittart's friend Leeper one finds in
Sir Reginald Leeper, 'When Greek Meets Greek', London 1950
He more or less ruled Greece from 1945 to say 1950.
Holman Jenkins Jr, Wall Street Journal columnist, is a cranky writer who was wrong about
which faction to support in a New Hampshire supermarket war, but he is right when he suggests
that John Brennan has decided that a good offense is the best defense. Call it the John
Brennan attempt to replicate the Dan Fouts-era San Diego Chargers strategy of piling up the
passing yards and the points and hoping that you have more points at the end of the game than
your opponent.
Holman Jenkins Jr:
Which brings us to John Brennan, the Central Intelligence Agency's chief under
President Obama, who rushed to MSNBC this week to claim: "The fact that he has had this
fawning attitude towards Mr. Putin and has not said anything negative about him, it
continues to say something to me that he has something to fear and something serious to
fear [from Russia]."
Uh huh. Presidents have secrets but they also have power, so if you think they are
easily blackmailable, Mr. Brennan may have a third-rate spy novel to sell you. What
occurred to anybody who has followed matters closely was a different thought: Mr. Brennan,
who has a few things to hide himself, has decided his best defense is a strong
offense.
For the truth is, Mr. Trump's version of the loudmouth demagogue is increasingly
coming out on the better side of the emerging facts on Russia. The Kremlin wasn't the most
consequential meddler in the 2016 election: It was James Comey's FBI, with Mr. Brennan
standing obscurely at his elbow every step of the way.
If a planted Russian intercept was instrumental in the fiasco of Mr. Comey's
intervention in the Hillary Clinton email matter, as numerous leaks indicate, then that
intercept would have come from Mr. Brennan's CIA. What's more, it likely came not with a
shrug, but with a clear expectation that Mr. Comey would act to protect a Clinton
presidency from an alleged Russian plot.
So how do you reform the Secret Police? It is an interesting idea. The National Security
State has locked out any outside criticism and made reform almost impossible.
Then, there is also the whole indoctrination process. From hire to retire, these three
letter agencies indoctrinate their employees with esprit de corps and being a team player
with the greatest enthusiasm for the mission.
Claim made by high level persons in the link, suggest need for deep investigation into who in
the USA is getting paid to deliver or make available American taxpayer paid for resources to
foreign payee governments conducting terrorism and destabilization programs?
John Brennan is a propaganda whore for the family that owns Comcast. Comcast runs NBC. I
would call them the Roberts family, but none of them look like Henry Fonda, so I won't. I
don't dare speculate what their real name is.
Mike Morell is a propaganda whore for the family that owns Viacom. Viacom runs CBS. I
don't care how convoluted those shysters made the exact corporate control of CBS, they run
it. The family name of these nasty Viacom shysters ain't their real name either.
President Trump should have declared war on the corporate propaganda apparatus and the
Deep State on day number one of his administration. Trump let the shysters who run the
corporate media and the treasonous rats in the Deep State off the hook.
President Trump won the GOP presidential primary and the presidency itself because Trump
promised to put the safety, security and sovereignty of America first. The largest vote
getter in terms of specific issues was the IMMIGRATION issue. Trump had the chance to fire
every damn treasonous rat in the Deep State and he didn't do it. Trump betrayed his voters
who wanted immigration reduced and illegal aliens deported.
President Trump should face a GOP presidential primary challenger. Maybe that will force
Trump to remove the Deep State, remove the current controllers of the corporate media and put
America first.
Trump should also call for an immigration moratorium and begin deporting all illegal
aliens immediately.
Trump's problems with the corporate media and the Deep State stem from the fact that Trump
didn't immediately remove them when he had the chance. Trump's voter base was more than ready
for a "burn the boats on the beach" battle plan to defend the United States against the
treasonous rats in the Deep State and the anti-White, anti-Christian shyster rats in the
corporate media.
He won't tolerate bullying by the stronger over the weaker, will, in fact, come to the
aid of the weaker.
Thanks for your comment. Now I think I have an idea about why he seems so competent, and
why said competence is especially enhanced when he's contrasted with the unmanly screwballs
we've been burdened with for a very long time.
"He [Brennan] said that the U.S. President is 'afraid of the president of Russia' and
that the Kremlin 'may have something on him personally.' "
Brennan is PROJECTING. They have the goods on HIM, and will squeeze out of him every last
second of influence operations as long as he draws breath. Brennan will never be able to get
off the HAMSTER WHEEL alive.
Charles Pewitt wrote: "John Brennan is a propaganda whore for the family that owns
Comcast."
Hi C.P., Above reflects the better part of Brennan' s character. More definitive is Mr.
Giraldi's identifying him as a "possible war criminal." Also, why can not you see that
"treasonous rats" rule? A learning deficiency? Thanks.
More definitive is Mr. Giraldi's identifying him as a "possible war criminal."
Americans are pragmatic people. Identifying John Brennan as a so-called "war criminal"
because he was involved in all the extraneous crap the American Empire is pulling overseas
won't get the interest of ordinary Americans. Calling John Brennan a "propaganda whore" for
the family that controls Comcast will pique their interest.
I would suggest that John Brennan could be politically damaged the most by stating that
John Brennan supports open borders mass immigration. John Brennan and the rest of the Deep
State are dangerous to Americans because they all support open borders mass immigration. The
corporate media all supports mass immigration.
Over 60 million of us voted for Trump because Trump said he would stop the unnecessary
overseas wars, reduce immigration and scrap the sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams. We
voted for Trump to make the American Empire act more like a republic. We're stuck with the
American Empire until it croaks or is croaked in turn. And the empires all turn into rust
again.
The treasonous rats in the American Empire's Deep State all push nation-wrecking mass
immigration.
...here is a Ukrainian joke.
- You say Russia occupied Ukrainian Crimea. So, why don't you fight for it?
- We are not stupid, there is Russian army there.
- But you say that there is Russian army in Donbass, yet you fight
- That's what we say, but in Crimea there really is Russian army.
Within a week after Brennan's 'routine' visit in April 2014 to the Ukraine the Ukrainian army
launched a civil war. That was within 2 weeks of the CIA instigated coup an the end of
February 2014.
What is interesting is a strong Brennan connections with UK and his possiblke role in Steel dossier creation and propogation. Which actually were typical for
many members of Trump administration. He also has connections with Saudi intelligence services
Notable quotes:
"... So Morell is by his own words clearly an idiot, which explains a lot about what is wrong with CIA and is probably why he is now a consultant with CBS News instead of serving as Agency Director under the beneficent gaze of President Hillary Clinton. ..."
"... Back in 2013 John Brennan, then Obama's counter-terrorism advisor, had a difficult time with the Senate Intelligence Committee explaining some things that he did when he was still working at CIA. ..."
"... He claimed that he had only "raised serious questions" in his own mind on the interrogation issue after reading the 525 page summary of the 6,000 page report prepared by the Senate Intelligence Committee which detailed the failure of the Agency program. Brennan's reaction, however, suggested at a minimum that he had read only the rebuttal material produced by CIA that had deliberately inflated the value of the intelligence produced. ..."
"... Surprisingly the subject of rendition, which Brennan must surely have been involved with while at CIA, hardly surfaced though two other interesting snippets emerged from the questioning. ..."
"... Brennan was not questioned at all about the conflict of interest or ethical issues raised by the revolving door that he benefited from when he left CIA as Deputy Executive Director in 2005 and joined a British-owned company called The Analysis Corporation (TAC) where he was named CEO. ..."
"... At the Center of the Storm ..."
"... Brennan certainly knew how to feather his nest and reward his friends, but the area that is still murky relates to what exactly he was up to in 2016 when he was CIA Director and also quite possibly working hard to help Hillary get elected. He was still at it well after Trump got elected and assumed office. In May 2017, his testimony before Congress was headlined in a Washington Post ..."
"... The precise money quote by Brennan that the two articles chiefly rely on is "I encountered and am aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between Russian officials and US persons involved in the Trump campaign that I was concerned about because of known Russian efforts to suborn such individuals. It raised questions in my mind whether or not Russia was able to gain the co-operation of those individuals." ..."
"... The testimony inevitably raises some questions about just what Brennan was actually up to. First of all, the CIA is not supposed to keep tabs on American citizens and tracking the activities of known associates of a presidential candidate should have sent warning bells off, yet Brennan clearly persisted in following the trail. ..."
"... it is clear that Brennan then used that information to request an FBI investigation into a possible Russian operation directed against potential key advisers if Trump were to somehow get nominated and elected, which admittedly was a longshot at the time. That is how Russiagate began. ..."
"... So, Mr. Brennan, for all his bluster and scarcely concealed anger, has a lot of baggage, to include his possible role in coordinating with other elements in the national security agencies as well as with overseas parties to get their candidate Hillary Clinton elected. ..."
Former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director John Brennan, a Barack Obama friend and
protégé as well as a current paid contributor for NBC and MSNBC, has
blasted President Donald Trump for congratulating President Vladimir Putin over his victory
in recent Russian national elections. He said that the U.S. President is "afraid of the
president of Russia" and that the Kremlin "may have something on him personally. The fact that
he has had this fawning attitude toward Mr. Putin continues to say to me that he does have
something to fear and something very serious to fear."
It is an indication of how low we have sunk as a nation that a possible war criminal like
Brennan can feel free to use his former official status as a bully pulpit to claim that someone
is a foreign spy without any real pushback or objection from the talking heads and billionaire
manipulators that unfortunately run our country. If Trump is actually being blackmailed, as
Brennan implies, what evidence is there for that? One might reasonably conclude that Brennan
and his associates are actually angry because Trump has had the temerity to try to improve
relations with Russia.
It is ironic that when President Trump does something right he gets assailed by the same
crowd that piles on when he does something stupid, leading to the conclusion that unless The
Donald is attacking another country, when he is lauded as becoming truly presidential, he
cannot ever win with the inside the Beltway Establishment crowd. Brennan and a supporting cast
of dissimulating former intelligence chiefs opposed Trump from the git-go and were perfectly
willing to make things up to support Hillary and the status quo that she represented. It was,
of course, a status quo that greatly and personally benefited that ex-government crowd which by
now might well be described as the proverbial Deep State.
The claim that Trump is a Russian agent is not a new one since it is an easy mark to allege
something that you don't have to prove. During the campaign, one was frequently confronted on
the television by the humorless stare of the malignant Michael Morell, former acting CIA
Director, who wrote in a mind numbing August 2016
op-ed how he was proud to support Hillary Clinton because of her "commitment to our
nation's security: her belief that America is an exceptional nation that must lead in the world
for the country to remain secure and prosperous; her understanding that diplomacy can be
effective only if the country is perceived as willing and able to use force if necessary; and
her capacity to make the most difficult decision of all: whether to put young American women
and men in harm's way." Per Morell, she was a "proponent of a more aggressive approach [in
Syria], one that might have prevented the Islamic State from gaining a foothold "
But Morell saved his finest vitriol for Donald Trump, observing how Vladimir Putin, a wily
ex-career intelligence officer "trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to
exploit them" obtained the services of one fairly obscure American businessman named Trump
without even physically meeting him. Morell, given his broad experience as an analyst and desk
jockey, notes, "In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr.
Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation." An "unwitting agent" is a contradiction
in terms, but one wouldn't expect Morell to know that. Nor would John Brennan, who was also an
analyst and desk jockey before he was elevated by an equally witless President Barack
Obama.
So Morell is by his own words clearly an idiot, which explains a lot about what is wrong
with CIA and is probably why he is now a consultant with CBS News instead of serving as Agency
Director under the beneficent gaze of President Hillary Clinton.
Well, Trump's fractured foreign policy aside, I have some real problems with folks like
Michael Morell and John Brennan throwing stones. Both can be reasonably described as war
criminals due to what they did during the war on terror and also as major subverters of the
Constitution of the United States that has emerged as part of the saga of the 2016 election,
the outcome of which, ironically, is being blamed on the Russians.
Back in 2013 John Brennan, then Obama's counter-terrorism advisor, had a difficult time
with the Senate Intelligence Committee explaining some things that he did when he was still
working at CIA. He was predictably
attacked by some senators concerned over the expanding drone program, which he supervised;
over CIA torture; for the kill lists that he helped manage; and regarding the pervasive
government secrecy, which he surely condoned to cover up the questionable nature of the
assassination lists and the drones. Not at all surprisingly, he was forced to defend the
policies of the administration that he was then serving in, claiming that the United States is
"at war with al-Qaeda." But he did cite his basic disagreement with the former CIA
interrogation policies and expressed his surprise at learning that enhanced interrogation,
which he refused to label torture because he is "no lawyer," had not provided any unique or
actionable information. He claimed that he had only "raised serious questions" in his own
mind on the interrogation issue after reading the 525 page summary of the 6,000 page report
prepared by the Senate Intelligence Committee which detailed the failure of the Agency program.
Brennan's reaction, however, suggested at a minimum that he had read only the rebuttal material
produced by CIA that had deliberately inflated the value of the intelligence produced.
Surprisingly the subject of rendition, which Brennan must surely have been involved with
while at CIA, hardly surfaced though two other interesting
snippets emerged from the questioning. One was his confirmation that the government
has its own secret list of innocent civilians killed by drones while at the same time
contradicting himself by maintaining that the program does not actually exist and that if even
if it did exist such fatalities do not occur. And more directly relevant to Brennan himself,
Senator John D. Rockefeller provided an insight into the classified sections of the Senate
report on CIA torture, mentioning that the enhanced interrogation program was both "managed
incompetently" and "corrupted by personnel with pecuniary conflicts of interest." One would
certainly like to learn more about the presumed contractors who profited corruptly from
waterboarding and one would like to know if they were in any way punished, an interesting
sidebar as Brennan has a number of times spoken about the need for accountability.
Brennan was not questioned at all about the conflict of interest or ethical issues
raised by the revolving door
that he benefited from when he left CIA as Deputy Executive Director in 2005 and joined a
British-owned company called The Analysis Corporation (TAC) where he was named CEO. He
made almost certainly some millions of dollars when the Agency and other federal agencies
awarded TAC contracts to develop biometrics and set up systems to manage the government's
various watch lists before rejoining the government with a full bank account to help him along
his way. Brennan also reportedly knew how to return a favor, giving his former boss at CIA
George Tenet a compensated advisory position in his company and also hosting in 2007 a book
signing for Tenet's At the Center of the Storm . The by-invitation-only event included
six hundred current and former intelligence officers, some of whom waited for hours to have
Tenet sign copies of the book, which were provided by TAC.
Brennan certainly knew how to feather his nest and reward his friends, but the area that
is still murky relates to what exactly he was up to in 2016 when he was CIA Director and also
quite possibly working hard to help Hillary get elected. He was still at it well after Trump
got elected and assumed office. In May 2017, his testimony before Congress was headlined in a
Washington Post front page featured article as
Brennan's explosive testimony just made it harder for the GOP to protect Trump . The
article stated that Brennan during the 2016 campaign "reviewed intelligence that showed
'contacts and interaction' between Russian actors and people associated with the Trump
campaign." Politico was also in on the chase in an article entitled
Brennan: Russia may have successfully recruited Trump campaign aides .
The precise money quote by Brennan that the two
articles chiefly rely on is "I encountered and am aware of information and intelligence that
revealed contacts and interactions between Russian officials and US persons involved in the
Trump campaign that I was concerned about because of known Russian efforts to suborn such
individuals. It raised questions in my mind whether or not Russia was able to gain the
co-operation of those individuals."
The testimony inevitably raises some questions about just what Brennan was actually up
to. First of all, the CIA is not supposed to keep tabs on American citizens and tracking the
activities of known associates of a presidential candidate should have sent warning bells off,
yet Brennan clearly persisted in following the trail. What Brennan did not describe,
because it was "classified," was how he came upon the information in the first place. We know
from Politico and other sources that it came from foreign intelligence services,
including the British, Dutch and Estonians, and there has to be a strong suspicion that the
forwarding of at least some of that information might have been sought or possibly inspired by
Brennan unofficially in the first place. But whatever the provenance of the intelligence,
it is clear that Brennan then used that information to request an FBI investigation into a
possible Russian operation directed against potential key advisers if Trump were to somehow get
nominated and elected, which admittedly was a longshot at the time. That is how Russiagate
began.
So, Mr. Brennan, for all his bluster and scarcely concealed anger, has a lot of baggage,
to include his possible role in coordinating with other elements in the national security
agencies as well as with overseas parties to get their candidate Hillary Clinton elected.
Brennan should be thoroughly investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, to include
subpoenaing all records at CIA relating to the Trump inquiries before requiring testimony under
oath of Brennan himself with possible legal consequences if he is caught lying
"... In addition to expelling the diplomats, Trump ordered the closure of the Russian consulate in Seattle, Washington. The decision cited the consulate's proximity to a US submarine base and to Boeing production facilities, implying the diplomats were really intelligence operatives. ..."
"... That was echoed by White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah, who told reporters the expulsion is aimed at "significantly degrading their intelligence capabilities around the world, not just in the US." ..."
"... "coordinated with NATO allies," ..."
"... "brazen and reckless" ..."
"... "highly likely" ..."
"... "Thousand-year Reich" ..."
"... "joined at the hip" ..."
"... "entangling alliances," ..."
"... "blindly follow the principle of Euro-Atlantic unity at the expense of common sense, the rules of civilized state-to-state dialogue and the principles of international law," ..."
"... "up to the Russian government and up to Putin," ..."
"... "special relationship" ..."
"... "What we are witnessing now is part of a long-term program of unbridled Russophobia," ..."
"... "what took so long" ..."
"... "Russian oligarchs" ..."
"... "The Roman Empire had no need for diplomacy. Nor does the United States, ..."
The decision to expel 60 Russian diplomats suggests that President Donald Trump is either
following the siren call of 'entangling alliances,' or taking the lead in escalating the
conflict with Moscow to appease domestic critics. Not only did Trump's order affect more than
twice as many diplomats as the March 14 move by London, it accounts for more than half of the
total Russian diplomats expelled by various US allies on Monday. Monday's action is the biggest
expulsion of alleged "intelligence officers" since the Cold War and the largest in US
history, according to US ambassador to Russia, Jon Huntsman.
Though Trump campaigned on the "America First" foreign policy , openly
critical of the nation-building and "humanitarian" interventions his predecessors engaged in,
little of that remains after the first year of his presidency. The media and the opposition
Democrats appear to have buttonholed the president with never-ending accusations that he is
somehow "soft" on Russia.
In reality, the current administration has taken the hostility toward Moscow, inherited from
Barack Obama's second term, and turned it up a notch, from pressuring Russian media to register
as foreign agents and approving the sale of anti-tank missiles to
Ukraine, to expelling more Russian diplomats and shutting down consulates
.
In addition to expelling the diplomats, Trump ordered the closure of the Russian consulate
in Seattle, Washington. The decision cited the consulate's proximity to a US submarine base and
to Boeing production facilities, implying the diplomats were really intelligence
operatives.
That was echoed by White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah, who told reporters the
expulsion is aimed at "significantly degrading their intelligence capabilities around the
world, not just in the US."
Shah said the move was "coordinated with NATO allies," and represented a US
response to Russia's "brazen and reckless" actions, namely, the alleged nerve agent
attack that reportedly injured former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury,
UK, three weeks ago.
16 EU states now expelling 33 Russian diplos
🇩🇪 Germany 4
🇵🇱 Poland 4
🇨🇵 France 4
🇨🇿 Czech 3
🇱🇹 Lithuania 3
🇮🇹 Italy 2
🇩🇰 Denmark 2
🇳🇱 Netherlands 2
🇪🇸 Spain 2
🇱🇻 Latvia 1
🇫🇮 Finland 1
🇪🇪 Estonia 1
🇷🇴 Romania 1
🇸🇪 Sweden 1
🇭🇷 Croatia 1
🇭🇺 Hungary 1
British authorities have asserted that Russia was "highly likely" to have been
behind the incident, but have refused to provide any evidence to back up Prime Minister Theresa
May and Foreign Minister Boris Johnson's words. Johnson even went so far as to compare Russian
President Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler - twice! -
though it was Russia that carried the disproportionate burden in defeating Hitler's
"Thousand-year Reich" in the Second World War.
On March 14, May ordered the expulsion of 23 Russian
diplomats. Russia retaliated by expelling the same number of British diplomats, as well as
shutting down the consulate in St. Petersburg and British Council operations in Russia.
Seasoned observers of international relations might note that it is usually Britain that
follows the US lead – whether in the 1999 attack on Yugoslavia, the 2003 invasion of
Iraq, or the 2011 regime change operation in Libya – and not the other way around. Yet,
according to White House's Shah, the US is "joined at the hip" with the UK on this.
What gives?
This needs to be emphasized. The majority of the EU countries did not join in this mass
expulsion. As for those that did, expulsions were mostly pro forma, undertaken in order to
keep the British happy. Why then the wildly disproportionate response from Trump? https://t.co/4FldvIS80W
America's first president, George Washington, warned way back in 1796 of the danger of
"entangling alliances," which would draw the newly created country into foreign wars
on behalf of allied governments. Such alliances would also lead to poor relations with other
nations and distort US policies to favor the wishes of its allies over the will of the American
people.
Yet today's US policymakers, from the highest officials of the Trump administration to the
NeverTrump think-tanks, treat it as an article of faith that the US is strong because it has
entangling alliances with countries all over the world, and a military presence all over the
planet.
Washington and other allies of London "blindly follow the principle of Euro-Atlantic
unity at the expense of common sense, the rules of civilized state-to-state dialogue and the
principles of international law," the Russian Foreign Ministry said , condemning the expulsions.
Shah's comments, that the US relationship with Russia is entirely "up to the Russian
government and up to Putin," as if Washington had no agency in the matter, certainly seems
to suggest that Trump is all tangled up in the "special relationship" with London.
However, there is also the possibility that Trump or some of his advisers are pursuing
hostility towards Moscow in order to counter the narrative of 'Russian collusion' – which
originated from the Hillary Clinton campaign after the humiliating loss in the 2016 election,
and continues to be pushed by many in the US media and the Democratic party.
"What we are witnessing now is part of a long-term program of unbridled
Russophobia," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told Rossiya-1 TV.
Reporters covering the White House presented a good example on Monday. In the rare moments
when they digressed from discussing Trump's alleged affair with porn star Stormy Daniels,
reporters mostly wanted to know "what took so long" to expel the diplomats and why
more is not being done against Russia. CNN's Jim Sciutto finally got a question, only to demand
more sanctions against "Russian oligarchs" and Putin personally.
No matter what Trump does against Russia, it fails to mollify his critics, who see evidence
of his "collusion" with Moscow in absolutely everything.
Closing Russia's consulate in Seattle hurts Americans in our Northwest who want to visit
Russia, not Putin's oligarchs. Typical misdirection by Trump Administration.
Trump didn't have an option to keep the 60 Russian spies posing as diplomats in the US,
but I guarantee he looked for one. He also hasn't criticized Putin or implemented all of the
sanctions Congress passed against Russia. Trump's a traitor & shouldn't be president.
#ImpeachTrump
Whatever the intent behind Monday's decision, its timing and execution were certainly
problematic. The expulsion of diplomats came as Russia was collectively mourning the deaths of
64 people, many of them children , in
a mall fire in the Siberian city of Kemerovo. Adding insult to injury sounds like really poor
diplomacy, no matter who's behind it.
Then again, as the former UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali noted in his 1999
memoir, Washington sees no need for diplomacy when power will do.
"The Roman Empire had no need for diplomacy. Nor does the United States, " wrote
Boutros-Ghali.
"... was developed and originated in extremist circles populated by white supremacists ..."
"... The Washington Post ..."
"... The New York Times ..."
"... neoliberalism versus neo-nationalism ..."
"... C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing (USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org . ..."
Thank God for the corporate media. If it wasn't for them, and the ADL, I'd have probably
never discovered that I'm a Nazi. Apparently, I've been one for quite some time which is weird,
as I had no idea. Here I was, naively believing that I'd been writing about global capitalism
and the realignment of political power and ideology in the post-Cold War world, when all along
I had really just been persecuting the Jews. I didn't think I was persecuting the Jews. But
such is the insidious nature of thoughtcrime. When you're a Nazi thought criminal (as I
apparently am), it doesn't matter what you think you're thinking. What matters is what the
global capitalist ruling classes tell you you're thinking, which it turns out is often a lot
more complicated and horrible than what you thought you were thinking.
For example, I've been thinking and writing about globalism, which most dictionaries define
as "a national policy of treating the whole world as a proper sphere for political influence,"
or "the development of socioeconomic networks that transcend national boundaries," or something
like that which was more or less my understanding of the term. Little did I know that these
fake "definitions" had been infiltrated into these dictionaries by discord-sowing Strasserist
agents to dupe political satirists like myself into unknowingly spreading anti-Semitism as part
of Putin's Master Plan to destroy the United States of America and establish worldwide Nazi
domination.
Fortunately, the lexicography experts in the corporate media and the Anti-Defamation League
cleared that up for me earlier this month. According to these experts, words like "globalist"
and "globalism" don't really mean anything. They are simply Nazi code words for "the
Jews." There is actually no such thing as "globalism," or "global capitalism," or
"transnational capitalism," or "supranational quasi-governmental entities" like the
International Monetary Fund, the World Trade Organization, the European Commission, and the
European Central Bank or, OK, sure, there are such entities, but there is no legitimate reason
to discuss them, or write about them, or even casually mention them, and anyone who does is
definitely a Nazi.
Now, imagine my horror when I took that in, especially given my repeated references to "the
corporatocracy," "global capitalism," and "the global capitalist ruling classes" in the essays I've been publishing recently . I
didn't want to accept it at first, but the more "authoritative sources" I consulted, the more
glaringly obvious my thoughtcrimes became.
These authoritative sources were reacting to Trump referring to Gary Cohn as "a globalist"
in his rambling remarks in the Oval Office, which went a little something like this: "He may be
a globalist, but I still like him. He is seriously a globalist. There's no question in his own
way. But you know what, he's also a nationalist. He loves our country and where is Gary?" While
the experts are still scouring the video for
Nazi gestures and facial expressions, there can be no doubt that Trump said the word
"globalist." The corporate media and the ADL could not allow this transgression to stand.
Peter Beinart, writing in
The Atlantic , explained that "globalist" is "an epithet a modern-day vessel for a
slur" against the Jews, and he linked to a video of Jonathan Greenblatt
, CEO of the ADL, who verified that "the term 'globalist' was developed and originated in
extremist circles populated by white supremacists " (by which I can only assume he meant
the Anti-globalization
Movement , which apparently is just a big Nazi front). Eli Rosenberg,
in The Washington Post , although allowing that "globalist" can sometimes mean
"globalist," emphasized that, "to some observers of extremism," it also "speaks to something
darker." Bret Stephens, in The New York
Times ,couldn't quite decide whether using the word makes you an official
goose-stepping Nazi or just a garden variety anti-Semite. CNN's Don Lemon,
delving into "the ugly history" of the word , explained that "it is shorthand for a
worldview based on racism, xenophobia, and anti-Semitism" the worldview of "far right
conspiracy theorists obsessed with prominent Jews like George Soros." And these are just a few
of the many examples.
After processing all these "authoritative" statements by these "respected experts" and
"credible news sources," I felt like I'd been walking around with a Swastika branded into my
forehead. I was overcome by a sudden need to signal my anti-anti-Semitism to my friends,
family, and the world at large. After destroying my old Pink Floyd CDs and apologizing to Jerry
Seinfeld on Twitter , I immediately ran and confessed to my wife, who just happens to be "a
globalist," and begged her to call her family members who control the media, the banks, and
Hollywood and ask them to forgive me my thoughtcrimes. Then I drafted an email to the SPLC
asking whether they could possibly squeeze me into their interactive Hate Map somewhere, or at
least let some neo-McCarthyite hack
publish a ridiculous, paranoid smear piece about my Nazi vocabulary on their website.
Seriously, though, all satire aside, this stigmatization of terms like "globalist,"
"globalism," and "global capitalism" is a key component of The War on Dissent which the
global capitalist ruling classes have been waging against a broad assortment of insurgent
elements for the last eighteen months. It isn't just a question of delegitimizing dissidents by
smearing them as anti-Semites, Russian agents, and conspiracy theorists. The goal is also to
conceal the essential nature of the conflict itself. The essential nature of the conflict is
neoliberalism versus neo-nationalism . This is what we are experiencing currently, not
a Russian assault on Western democracy, nor even a resumption of the Cold War, but, rather, the
global capitalist ruling classes putting down a neo-nationalist insurgency the insurgency that
led to the Brexit referendum and the presidency of Donald Trump.
Now, here's where things get a little tricky, particularly for those of us on the Left
(whatever that label even means anymore). The neo-nationalists can come right out and call the
conflict what it is. It is in their interest to call it what it is. They may not be opposing
capitalism, but they are certainly opposing global capitalism. In doing so, they are
attracting people who are not so thrilled about being governed by unaccountable global
corporations and supranational non-governmental bodies, people who are still emotionally
attached to outdated concepts like national sovereignty, national culture, and crazy stuff like
that. Some of these folks are actual neo-Nazis, but most of them are just regular people who
know when they are being pissed on by global capitalism and told it's raining. The point is,
the neo-nationalists can describe their opponents as exactly what they are, global capitalists,
or just plain old globalists. Neoliberals do not have this luxury.
See, the problem for the capitalist ruling classes is that global neoliberalism (i.e.,
globalism) is a really tough sell to regular folks. They can't just come out and explain to
people that national sovereignty is essentially dead, and that political power now resides
among a network of global corporations (which couldn't care less about their "nationality")
exploiting a globalized labor market (which is why their "good jobs" are not coming back) and a
globalized financial market (which is why almost everything is being privatized and their
families are being debt-enslaved). Nor can they admit that the "War on Terror" and the European
refugee crisis it has caused, and the chaos and slaughter in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen,
Syria, et cetera, is the predictable result of global capitalism aggressively restructuring the
Greater Middle East, which it started doing more or less immediately after the collapse of the
Soviet Union (i.e., as soon as the final impediment to its pursuit of global hegemony was
removed). This kind of thing doesn't go over very well, not with most regular working class
people.
So what the global capitalist ruling classes have to do is well, they have to lie. They have
to disseminate a different narrative, a narrative that has nothing to do with the hegemony of
global capitalism, the dissolution of national sovereignty, and the privatization of virtually
everything. Because people aren't total morons, this narrative needs to bear some resemblance
to the actual conflict taking place. So, all right, a little rebranding is in order. Global
neoliberalism becomes "Western democracy," neo-nationalism becomes "Nazism," and Vladimir Putin
becomes Adolf Hitler.
Presto! Now things are nice and simple! History, geopolitics, and socioeconomics vanish into
the ether! Capitalism schmapitalism! This is no time for critical thinking, not with
Putin-Nazis coming out of the woodwork! No, this is a time to rally behind the freedom fighters
at the FBI, the CIA, the corporate media, and the rest of the military industrial complex, and
to mercilessly hunt down Russian infiltrators, Putin sympathizers, crypto-Assadists,
neo-Strasserian, alt-right entryists, and other sowers of division and discord! We need to get
these folks delegitimitized, stigmatized as racists and anti-Semites, or terrorists, or some
other type of "extremist," before they can "influence" anyone else with their Facebook ads and
subversive essays.
You will know them by the words they use, and by the words they do not use. Anybody using
words like "globalist," "global capitalism," or "neoliberal," or suggesting that anyone voted
for Trump or Brexit for any reason other than racism, you can pretty much rest assured that
they're Nazis. Also, anyone writing about "banks" or the "deep state." Absolutely Nazis. Oh
yeah, and the "corporate media," naturally. Only Putin-Nazis talk like that. Oh, and definitely
anyone who hasn't spent the last two years attacking Trump (as if there has been anything else
to focus on), or has implied that "the Russians" aren't out to destroy us, or that the
historical moment we are living through might be just a bit more complex than that well, you
know what they're really saying. They're saying, "we need to exterminate the Jews."
Look, I could go on and on with this, but I don't think I really need to. Remember, I'm a
Nazi thought criminal now. So just go back and read through some of my essays and make note of
all the coded Nazi messages, or check with the Anti-Defamation League, or the SPLC, or the
corporate media, or well, just ask the good
folks at Google .
C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning American playwright, novelist and satirist based in
Berlin. His plays are published by Bloomsbury Publishing (UK) and Broadway Play Publishing
(USA). His debut novel, ZONE 23 , is
published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant. He can reached at cjhopkins.com or consentfactory.org . (Republished by permission of
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"... Trump himself has pledged to walk away from the Iran nuclear deal -- "the worst deal ever" -- and reimpose sanctions in May. His new national security adviser John Bolton, who wrote an op-ed titled "To Stop Iran's Bomb, Bomb Iran," has called for preemptive strikes and "regime change." Secretary of State-designate Mike Pompeo calls Iran "a thuggish police state," a "despotic theocracy," and "the vanguard of a pernicious empire that is expanding its power and influence across the Middle East." ..."
"... China and Russia would not abrogate the deal but would welcome Iran into their camp. England, France and Germany would have to choose between the deal and the U.S. And if Airbus were obligated to spurn Iran's orders for hundreds of new planes, how would that sit with the Europeans? ..."
"... How would North Korea react if the U.S. trashed a deal where Iran, after accepting severe restrictions on its nuclear program and allowing intrusive inspections, were cheated of the benefits the Americans promised? ..."
The last man standing between the U.S. and war with Iran may be a four-star general
affectionately known to his Marines as "Mad Dog."
Gen. James Mattis, the secretary of defense, appears to be the last man in the Situation
Room who believes the Iran nuclear deal may be worth preserving and that war with Iran is a
dreadful idea. Yet, other than Mattis, President Donald Trump seems to be creating a war
cabinet.
Trump himself has pledged to walk away from the Iran nuclear deal -- "the worst deal
ever" -- and reimpose sanctions in May. His new national security adviser John Bolton, who
wrote an op-ed titled "To Stop Iran's Bomb, Bomb Iran," has called for preemptive strikes and
"regime change." Secretary of State-designate Mike Pompeo calls Iran "a thuggish police state,"
a "despotic theocracy," and "the vanguard of a pernicious empire that is expanding its power
and influence across the Middle East."
Trump's favorite Arab ruler, 32-year-old Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman, calls Iran's
Ayatollah Khamenei "the Hitler of the Middle East." Bibi Netanyahu is monomaniacal on Iran,
calling the nuclear deal a threat to Israel's survival and Iran "the greatest threat to our
world." U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley echoes them all.
Yet Iran appears not to want a war. U.N. inspectors routinely confirm that Iran is strictly
abiding by the terms of the nuclear deal. While U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf often
encountered Iranian "fast attack" boats and drones between January 2016 and August 2017, that
has stopped. Vessels of both nations have operated virtually without incident. What would be
the result of Trump's trashing of the nuclear deal?
First would be the isolation of the United States.
China and Russia would not abrogate the deal but would welcome Iran into their camp.
England, France and Germany would have to choose between the deal and the U.S. And if Airbus
were obligated to spurn Iran's orders for hundreds of new planes, how would that sit with the
Europeans?
How would North Korea react if the U.S. trashed a deal where Iran, after accepting
severe restrictions on its nuclear program and allowing intrusive inspections, were cheated of
the benefits the Americans promised?
Why would Pyongyang, having seen us attack Iraq, which had no WMD, and Libya, which had
given up its WMD to mollify us, ever consider given up its nuclear weapons -- especially after
seeing the leaders of both nations executed?
And, should the five other signatories to the Iran deal continue with it despite us, and
Iran agree to abide by its terms, what do we do then?
Find a casus belli to go to war? Why? How does Iran threaten us?
A war, which would involve U.S. warships against swarms of Iranian torpedo boats could shut
down the Persian Gulf to oil traffic and produce a crisis in the global economy. Anti-American
Shiite jihadists in Beirut, Baghdad and Bahrain could attack U.S. civilian and military
personnel.
As the Army and Marine Corps do not have the troops to invade and occupy Iran, would we have
to reinstate the draft?
And if we decided to blockade and bomb Iran, we would have to take out all its anti-ship
missiles, submarines, navy, air force, ballistic missiles and air defense system.
And would not a pre-emptive strike on Iran unite its people in hatred of us, just as Japan's
pre-emptive strike on Pearl Harbor united us in a determination to annihilate her empire?
What would the Dow Jones average look like after an attack on Iran?
Trump was nominated because he promised to keep us out of stupid wars like those into which
folks like John Bolton and the Bush Republicans plunged us.
After 17 years, we are still mired in Afghanistan, trying to keep the Taliban we overthrew
in 2001 from returning to Kabul. Following our 2003 invasion, Iraq, once a bulwark against
Iran, became a Shiite ally of Iran.
The rebels we supported in Syria have been routed. And Bashar Assad -- thanks to backing
from Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and Shiite militias from the Middle East and Central Asia -- has
secured his throne.
The Kurds who trusted us have been hammered by our NATO ally Turkey in Syria, and by the
Iraqi Army we trained in Iraq.
What is Trump, who assured us there would be no more stupid wars, thinking? Truman and LBJ
got us into wars they could not end, and both lost their presidencies. Eisenhower and Nixon
ended those wars and were rewarded with landslides.
After his smashing victory in Desert Storm, Bush I was denied a second term. After invading
Iraq, Bush II lost both houses of Congress in 2006, and his party lost the presidency in 2008
to the antiwar Barack Obama.
Once Trump seemed to understand this history.
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The
Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever."
What is interesting is that Trump not only folded, but seeking self-preservation he voluntarily appointed
neocons to the top layer of his administration
Notable quotes:
"... This is why I often say: forget about needing a third political party – we need a second political party! Trump is admitting that to fuel the warfare state and enrich the military-industrial complex, it was necessary to dump endless tax dollars into the welfare state. ..."
"... But no one "forced" President Trump to sign the bill. His party controls both houses of Congress. ..."
"... Defense Secretary James Mattis said at the same press conference that, "As the President noted, today we received the largest military budget in history, reversing many years of decline and unpredictable funding." ..."
"... his statement is misleading. Where are these several years of decline? Did we somehow miss a massive reduction in military spending under President Obama? Did the last Administration close the thousands of military bases in more than 150 countries while we weren't looking? ..."
"... On militarism, the Obama Administration was just an extension of the Bush Administration, which was an extension of the militarism of the Clinton Administration. ..."
"... The military-industrial complex continues to generate record profits from fictitious enemies. The mainstream media continues to play the game, amplifying the war propaganda produced by the think tanks, which are funded by the big defense contractors. ..."
On Friday, President Trump signed the omnibus
spending bill for 2018. The $1.3 trillion bill was so monstrous that it would have made the
biggest spender in the Obama Administration blush. The image of leading Congressional Democrats
Pelosi and Schumer grinning and gloating over getting everything they wanted -- and then some
-- will likely come back to haunt Republicans at the midterm elections. If so, they will
deserve it.
Even President Trump admitted the bill was horrible. As he said in the signing ceremony,
"there are a lot of things that we shouldn't have had in this bill, but we were, in a sense,
forced -- if we want to build our military "
This is why I often say: forget about needing a third political party – we need a
second political party! Trump is admitting that to fuel the warfare state and enrich the
military-industrial complex, it was necessary to dump endless tax dollars into the welfare
state.
But no one "forced" President Trump to sign the bill. His party controls both houses of
Congress. He knows that no one in Washington cares about deficits so he was more than willing
to spread some Fed-created money at home to get his massive war spending boost. And about the
militarism funded by the bill? Defense Secretary James Mattis said at the same press conference
that, "As the President noted, today we received the largest military budget in history,
reversing many years of decline and unpredictable funding."
He's right and wrong at the same time. Yes it is another big increase in military spending.
In fact the US continues to spend more than at least the next seven or so largest countries
combined. But his statement is misleading. Where are these several years of decline? Did we
somehow miss a massive reduction in military spending under President Obama? Did the last
Administration close the thousands of military bases in more than 150 countries while we
weren't looking?
Of course not.
On militarism, the Obama Administration was just an extension of the Bush Administration,
which was an extension of the militarism of the Clinton Administration. And so on. The
military-industrial complex continues to generate record profits from fictitious enemies. The
mainstream media continues to play the game, amplifying the war propaganda produced by the
think tanks, which are funded by the big defense contractors.
This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is conspiracy fact. Enemies must be created to keep
Washington rich, even as the rest of the country suffers from the destruction of the dollar.
That is why the neocons continue to do very well in this Administration.
While Trump and Mattis were celebrating big military spending increases, the president
announced that John Bolton, one of the chief architects of the Iraq war debacle, would become
his national security advisor. As former CIA analyst Paul Pillar has written, this is a man
who, while at the State Department, demanded that intelligence analysts reach pre-determined
conclusions about Iraq and WMDs. He cooked the books for war.
Bolton is on the record calling for war with Iran, North Korea, even Cuba! His return to a
senior position in government is a return to the unconstitutional, immoral, and failed policies
of pre-emptive war.
Make no mistake: the neocons are back and looking for another war. They've got the
president's ear. Iran? North Korea? Russia? China? Who's next for the warmongers?
"... (this last sentence in English in the original text – trans.) ..."
"... As to who will prevail, your guess is as good a mine. But the fact that today Trump replaced McMaster with a warmongering psychopath like John Bolton is a clear sign that the Neocons are in charge in the US and that the Axis of Kindness is about to get a heck of a lot "kinder". ..."
"... Both Saker and the commenter #1 put accent on the ideological struggle between Russia and the West, contrasting Russian (and) Chinese – we do not interfere with your system of beliefs or who rules you, let us cooperate and do business. This is contrasted against the Western – we are the Borg, you will be regime-changed to be assimilated, aka we are the Exceptional Owners of the World. This is truly the main ideological struggle of the 21. century, forget about left wing – right wing. ..."
"... I do not know how long the Russian initiative will last, but at the moment Russia is in a goldilocks situation: it probably has the best leadership in the world, ..."
"... 'Full Spectrum Dominance', as explicit in US military doctrine, and noted as such by Harold Pinter in his 2005 Nobel address, and embedded in the F. William Engdahl book 'Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order', was imo both pathological and impossible, but that didn't stop them from trying. ..."
"... Gen. Wesley Clark's rather famous post 9/11 surprise at hearing that 7 countries in five years were slated for – in effect – destruction, euphemistically called regime change is starting to seem like another era. 'Guess what I just heard down the hall. We're gonna go into 5 countries with our mercenaries, and military, and our amazing technology, and bomb them all to hell if we have to, and lie to the world about everything we're doing, and kill and wound and orphan millions of people, because ah, because ah, because ah, actually I'm not sure why, but that's what's on the program. It's sort of a tradition. We bombed the hell out of Korea, then we bombed the hell out of Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia, actually I lost count, so many, anyway fast forward to remnants of Yugoslavia, boy did we ever destroy that.!' ..."
"... Any similarity between MH17 and Skripal investigations, although both cooked up in the same kitchen, is completely coincidental, of course. ..."
So what is really going on here? Surely nobody seriously believes that the Brits really
think that the Russians had any motive to try to kill Skripal or, for that matter, if they had
a motive, that they would do it in such a stupid manner? And what's the deal with Syria anyway?
Is the US going to execute their false flag and bomb?
I think that at this point we should not get bogged down in the details of all this. There
is a forest behind these trees. What matters most now, is that the most powerful factions of
the AngloZionist Empire's ruling elites are making a concerted effort to create a unified
anti-Russian coalition. In this regard it is quite telling that the US, France, and Germany
issued a statement on March 15 th without even bothering to consult with their
so-called "allies" in NATO or the EU. You can immediately tell "who is boss" in those crisis
situations when the rest of the Euro-riffraff simply doesn't matter (poor East Europeans with
their delusions about being appreciated or even respected by the West!). Furthermore, it is
quite clear that in this case, the "Anglo" component of the AngloZionist Empire is far more
involved than the Zionist one, at least insofar as the front of the stage is concerned (
behind the scenes the Neocons are seething at Trump for calling Putin to congratulate him
and offer negotiations). I think that a number of crucial developments forced the US and the UK
into trying to strong-arm the rest of the western nations to "circle the wagons" around the
Empire:
The US humiliatingly failed in its attempts to frighten and force the DPRK into
submission The AngloZionists have lost the civil war in Syria The UK and the rest of the NATO
are becoming militarily irrelevant The Ukraine has crashed and is burning and a Ukronazi attack
on the Donbass is most likely The political forces in Europe who opposed anti-Russian policies
are on the ascent The Russians are winning many EU countries over by economic means including
North Stream whereas sanctions are hurting the EU much more than Russia The anti-Putin campaign
has miserably failed and Russia is fully united in her stance against the Empire
What this all means is very simple: the Empire needs to either fold or double down and
folding is just not something the imperial elites are willing to consider yet. They are
therefore using the tools which they perceive as most effective:
False flags : this is really a time-honored western tradition used by pretty much all
the western powers. Since the general public is brainwashed and mostly can't even begin to
imagine that "freedom loving liberal democracies" could use methods usually ascribed to evil,
bloodthirsty dictatorial regimes, false flags are an ideal way to get the public opinion in
the correct state of mind to approve of aggressive, hostile and even violent policies against
a perceived threat or obstacle to hegemony. Soft power : have you noticed how the Oscars or the Cannes festival always pick
exactly the kind of "artists" which the Empire happens to politically promote? Well, this is
true not only for the Oscars or the Cannes festival but for almost all of the cultural,
social and political life in the West. This is especially true of so-called "human rights"
and "peace" organizations which are simply political pit-bulls which can be sicked on any
country in need of subversion and/or intervention. Russia has never developed that kind of
political toolkit. Verbal escalation : this tactic is extremely crude yet very effective. You begin by
vociferously proclaiming some falsehood. The fact that you proclaimed it in such vociferous
and hyperbolic matter achieves two immediate results: it sends all your friends and allies a
clear message " you are either with us or against us ", that leaves no room for nuance
or analysis, and it gives otherwise rather spineless politicians no way to back down, thus
strengthening their "resolve". Herding : there is safety in numbers. So when dealing with a potentially dangerous
foe, like Russia, all the little guys flock together so as to appear bigger or, at least,
harder to single out. Also, when everybody is responsible, nobody is. Thus herding is also
politically expedient. Finally, it changed the inter-relational dynamic from one of friends
or allies to one typically found among accomplices in a crime. Direct threats : the Empire got away with making threats left and right for many
decades, and this is a habit which is hard to break. The likes of Nikki Haley or Hillary
Clinton probably sincerely believe that the US is quasi-omnipotent or, conversely, they might
be terrified by the creeping suspicion that it might not. Threats are also an easy, if
ineffective, substitute for diplomacy and negotiations, especially when your position is
objectively wrong and the other side is simply a lot smarter than you.
The big problem is that none of these methods work against Russia or, let me correct that,
don't work anymore (they sure appeared to work in the past). Russian public opinion is fully
aware of all these methods (courtesy of a Russian media NOT controlled by AngloZionists) and
Margarita Simonian beautifully summarized
the feelings that all this elicits in the Russian population:
"all your injustice and cruelty, inquisitorial hypocrisy and lies you forced us to stop
respecting you. You and your so-called "values." We don't want to live like you live,
anymore. For fifty years, secretly and openly, we wanted to live like you, but not any
longer. We have no more respect for you, and for those among us that you support, and for all
those people who support you ( ). For that, you only have yourself to blame ( ) Our people
are capable to forgive a lot. But we don't forgive arrogance, and no normal nation would.
Your only remaining Empire would be wise to learn the history of its allies, all of them are
former empires. To learn the ways they lost their empires. Only because of their arrogance.
White man's burden, my ass!" (this last sentence in English in the original text –
trans.)
The stark truth is that far from wanting to invade, appease or otherwise please the West,
Russia has absolutely no need, or even interest, in it. None. For centuries Russian elites have
been western-focused to some degree or other and none of them could even begin to imagine a
West-less Russia. This is still true today, the Russian "elites" still want to live like (very
rich) Brits or Germans and they still hate the common Russian people and Vladimir Putin. But
those Russian elites have now been crushed by the magnitude of Putin's victory in the
presidential elections. Normally, this should result in an even bigger exile of Russian
"businessmen" to the UK, France or Israel, but the problem now is that the British are making
noises about punishing them for, well, being Russians (even Russophobic, pro-western,
"Russians"). As a result, these "poor" pro-western liberals can only whine on the social media
and in the few pro-western media outlets left in Russia (no, not due to repression, but due to
their political irrelevancy being backed, as they are, by something between 2% and 5% of the
population).
But setting aside the wealthy "elites" for a moment, Russia as a country and as a nation has
simply no use for the West and what it represents. Those who fantasize about Russia being
interested in "Europe", "White identity" or "Western Christianity" are only kidding themselves.
They hope that the current cultural and spiritual revival in Russia will somehow spill over to
them and allow them to extricate themselves from the gutter in which they are currently
prostrated. It won't. Just read again what Simonian said about the western "values" in the
quote above. For most Russians "Europe" reeks of Napoleon, "White identity" of Hitler and
"Western Christianity" of the creation of the Ukraine and the " Eastern Crusades ". No,
Russia has no interest in revenge against any of that, she just has no respect or interest for
what these concepts stand for. (Poland – is possibly the last country where all these
things are taken seriously and fondly remembered). Still, the Russians remain willing to
negotiate to establish a viable coexistence between the Western and Russian civilizational
realms. Putin clearly said so in his speech
There is no need to create more threats to the world. Instead, let us sit down at the
negotiating table and devise together a new and relevant system of international security and
sustainable development for human civilization. We have been saying this all along. All these
proposals are still valid. Russia is ready for this.
But if the AngloZionists are dead set on world domination by means of war, then Russia is
ready for that too. Not a war of aggression, of course, not even against the tiny Baltic
statelets, Putin made that clear too when he said "w e are not threatening anyone, not going
to attack anyone or take away anything from anyone with the threat of weapons. We do not
need anything . Just the opposite " (emphasis added). But if attacked, Russia is now
ready to defend herself:
"And to those who in the past 15 years have tried to accelerate an arms race and seek
unilateral advantage against Russia, have introduced restrictions and sanctions that are
illegal from the standpoint of international law aiming to restrain our nation's development,
including in the military area, I will say this: everything you have tried to prevent through
such a policy has already happened. No one has managed to restrain Russia ( ) Any use of
nuclear weapons against Russia or its allies, weapons of short, medium or any range at all,
will be considered as a nuclear attack on this country. Retaliation will be immediate, with
all the attendant consequences. There should be no doubt about this whatsoever."
Why is the nuclear issue so central? Because the Russians are fully aware of the fact that
the
AngloZionists cannot win a conventional war with Russia . Thus it is crucial for the
Russians to convince the AngloZionists that they are neither militarily superior nor
invulnerable (see here for a full
analysis of these two myths). But once some kind of modus vivendi is achieved with the
West, Russia will focus her efforts in different directions: much needed internal reforms and
development, the work with China on the establishment of a single Eurasian zone of economic
security, peace and prosperity, the restoration of peace in the Middle-East, the development of
the Russian Far East and North – you name it. Russia has plenty of work which needs to be
done, none of which involves the West in any capacity.
And that is, of course, what is so totally unacceptable to the West.
Hence this month's historical developments which have placed Russia and the West in a direct
collision course. As I said above, the Empire can now either fold or double down. If it decides
to fold, war will be averted and meaningful negotiations finally entered into. If it doubles
down, something the Neocons always do, then this means war with Russia. This is a stark and
very difficult choice (no, not for normal people, but for the psychopaths ruling the West). And
there isn't much Russia could, or should, do at this point. As is the case every time a serious
crisis takes place, the apparently united elites running the West will now break-up into
separate factions and each one of these factions will pursue and promote its own, narrow,
interests. There will be an intense, mostly behind the scenes, struggle between those who will
want to double down or even trigger a war against Russia and those who will be horrified by
that notion (not necessarily for profound moral reasons, just out of basic self-interest and a
healthy instinct for self-preservation).
As to who will prevail, your guess is as good a mine. But the fact that today Trump
replaced McMaster with a warmongering psychopath like John Bolton is a clear sign that the
Neocons are in charge in the US and that the Axis of Kindness is about to get a heck of a lot
"kinder".
Those who fantasize about Russia being interested in "Europe", "White identity" or
"Western Christianity" are only kidding themselves. They hope that the current cultural and
spiritual revival in Russia will somehow spill over to them and allow them to extricate
themselves from the gutter in which they are currently prostrated. It won't. Just read
again what Simonian said about the western "values" in the quote above. For most Russians
"Europe" reeks of Napoleon, "White identity" of Hitler and "Western Christianity" of the
creation of the Ukraine and the "Eastern Crusades". No, Russia has no interest in revenge
against any of that, she just has no respect or interest for what these concepts stand for.
(Poland – is possibly the last country where all these things are taken seriously and
fondly remembered).
I think that is very important. I find it rather odd when some people from the alt-right
project their ideals on Russia. Of course, many of these people reject the neoconservative
agenda for legitimate reasons, and therefore, it is normal that they also reject Russophobia,
and that should be welcomed by most people who do not support the neoconservative agenda.
However, they should not think the widespread rejection of Western influence in Russia has
much to do with their own ideology.
For most Russians, the difference between hypocritical Western liberals who want to
dominate the world with their "values" (and military and economic means for spreading them)
and white supremacists is hardly that big, both are a consequence of a similar kind of
arrogance towards the rest of the world. Certainly, some white supremacists may under some
circumstances be ready to accept Russians as fellow whites, but probably, the path back to
regarding them as Asian subhumans is never too long.
Russians are mostly white, but Russia is a multinational and multiracial Eurasian country
that is very far from being "racially pure", even as far as many ethnic Russians are
concerned, and racism in the narrow sense has hardly ever had much support in Russia.
Russia's main religion is Orthodox Christianity, but Islam and Buddhism are also domestic
religions in Russia, and there has been an adversarial relationship between Western
Christianity and Orthodox Christianity for centuries.
Ideologically, Western alt-right ideologues would be much more likely to find relatively
widespread support for their ideas in Poland, the Baltic states, and among nationalists in
Western Ukraine – mainly among the most Russophobic elements of European societies.
Much of the daily hatred against "the Russians" in the Anglophone media is full of unambiguos
bigotry, and even if some of the people believing in Western white identity are currently
less extreme with respect to Russia than the liberal racist bigots who think that they are
progressive because they hate Russians rather than Mexicans, this is rather a kind of
liberals acting as racist supremacists than a genuine split between these two Western
ideologies.
In Russia, the constant aggressive rhetoric from Western countries will hardly lead to
Russians rejecting the liberal West while embracing nationalist Westerners concentrating on
white identity, rather both versions of Western ideology are seen as similarly disgusting. It
is doubtful whether in Soviet times, many people really believed in the official
anti-imperialist Soviet ideology because the propaganda was too artificial. Now, no special
propaganda efforts are needed, the aggressive, arrogant statement of Western politicians and
journalists can simply be shown in the original.
I totally agree with Saker and mostly agree with commenter #1. The only big miss of the
commenter #1 is that he lumps many different factions in the West into only two groups. The
two factions that the commenter describes are as described – much less different than
they themselves realise. But there are also a few factions which could be genuinely
cooperative with Russia, they should not be discarded because they are also the natural
allies in Russian defences against the aggressive West.
Both Saker and the commenter #1 put accent on the ideological struggle between Russia
and the West, contrasting Russian (and) Chinese – we do not interfere with your system
of beliefs or who rules you, let us cooperate and do business. This is contrasted against the
Western – we are the Borg, you will be regime-changed to be assimilated, aka we are the
Exceptional Owners of the World. This is truly the main ideological struggle of the 21.
century, forget about left wing – right wing.
However, there is a very practical component in the Western rabid behavior, especially the
British. The plentiful Russian land was not worth much in the past because it was
predominantly permafrost and marshes. The British Empire of warm lower geographical latitudes
was worth much more than the huge Russian landmass in colder higher latitudes. Even some
Russians did not consider it of much value and this is how Alaska got sold for a pittance by
a gambling Russian Tzar. But the contemporary reality is that the human capability to control
the environment has advanced so much that the cold regions of the planet are not as much of a
challenge that they used to be. On top, they have not been exploited much yet. This is why
the Anglos now have an eye on the Russian land, especially Siberia.
It is commonly accepted that the center of human civilisation is moving from the Atlantic
to the Pacific, but the shift of the center of gravity to the North is not widely
appreciated. Of course, most people still prefer to live in warmer climate but there is more
and more money to be made in colder climate. At the same time that the center of gravity is
shifting Northwards, the human advancement in the warmer climate has broken the Britush
Empire because most of the British colonies have largely caught up in development with the
colonial power. This has left the Anglos with their obsolete principles of domination by the
force of armaments and their attempts to double down in their area of advantage. In other
words, the Anglo leaders do appear to position themselves for: either we maintain our rule or
there will be no World to rule.
IMHO, the main reason for the fervent orgasmic hate displayed by the British parliament,
successfully transferred onto most of the British population, is that the Anglos are in the
process of losing their empire for the second time – first the British, now US. At the
same time, the semi-Asiatic, dirty-Christian Russians (in their racist view) are undeservedly
ascending, even after first the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union dissolved, never
mind that the Russians are now not even creating an empire of the obsolete Anglo kind then
something totally new. The landless Anglo prols versus the landed Russian gentry. Those who
are down on the wheel of fortune could not hate those now on top any more than they do.
Somewhere in there are also ever-expanding Zionist Jews, the cancer of humanity, who just
want to own anything worth owning, but this is worth another long comment.
I do not know how long the Russian initiative will last, but at the moment Russia is
in a goldilocks situation: it probably has the best leadership in the world, with
fantastic ideas and unsurpassed advantages. Even the non-anthropological climate change
appears to work in Russia's favour, opening up a new shorter Northern maritime route and
slowly draining the marshes and exposing virgin fertile land. Both smart and lucky.
Sorry for the long post. What I have been trying to say is that the two biggest current
ills of the world are the Anglo envy and the Zionist greed, whilst Russia and China have been
dealt and have dealt to themselves a magnificent hand of cards.
Interesting read. Just one comment – if Clinton had "won," we would already be "at war"
with Russia. Let's remember, even with the appointments through the revolving door (must get
a bit dizzy for players) of the Trump administration, he is still the Commander in Chief. I
don't see him going to war with Russia. Bolton is just as much "fireable" as the others.
Last thought, this saber rattling by the mouth organs of the Western criminal syndicate
has the colour of desperation to it. Also – attempted misdirection. Good that they're
overplaying their hand today since they'll have little room to escalate the rhetoric should
indictments of the criminals of the Hussein administration be levied some time soon. Let's
hope, anyway.
An .. interesting article. It appears that the author is really getting, fast, detached from
reality. This in particular:
The AngloZionists have lost the civil war in Syria
and this even more.
The Ukraine has crashed and is burning and a Ukronazi attack on the Donbass is most
likely
especially the former. This all is really starting to feel as "online therapy". A little
echo chamber and groupthink simply helping the members to deal with the world around
them.
Question (representative of the US Embassy): It is important in this forum to
demonstrate that we in the United States also stand in complete solidarity with our partners
in the United Kingdom, in the European Union and in NATO. It's important, especially in this
forum, since you have mentioned former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the courage that
you suggest he demonstrated. It is very important that you, instead of demonstrating a
similar type of courage, you attack, attack, attack my British colleague. In this forum in
particular, instead of demonstrating the type of courage that we would hope to have seen in
the 21st century, the Russian Federation continues its tried and true tactics of denying
responsibility, distracting and disinforming. Again, we stand with our colleagues in the
United Kingdom, and we will, as our colleagues in the United Kingdom, hold Russia accountable
for its illegal actions.
Vladimir Yermakov: We are grateful to the respected representative of the US
Embassy for his remarks. It would be interesting to know what American lawyers would make of
them. You probably worked at the US State Department? Have we met before? I used to know
everyone at the US State Department, and everyone there used to know me. That's water under
the bridge In the past, nobody in the US State Department talked to me in this manner. You
are probably on a mission from Washington. Well, everyone has a mission to accomplish.
This has been an under-appreciated trend. North is richer, more liveable, healthier (no
chance of Ebola), and has water. The climate changes and the massive increase in population
are making southern areas slowly uninhabitable.
Western elites know this – they know that in 1-2 generations large parts of the
Third World will collapse, Sub-Saharan Africa, but also partially India, Middle East,
south-east Asia. The spill-over from these regions – that West has foolishly integrated
with – will fatally damage most of the West.
Parts of the West are already suffering from the climate issues and uncontrolled
migration. Inland Australia and Southwest US are becoming deserts. Large cities have been
overrun by Third Worlders, and it is inevitable that more will come.
Russia's large geographic space is unique: very rich in resources, benefiting from climate
changes, and thinly populated by a well educated, unique civilisation. This stands out like a
sore thumb for the West. They have to ' incorporate ' Russia's resources, it is an
economic imperative. West has been failing – mostly due to its own arrogance and
stupidity. But all they know how to do is more of the same, get angry, scream and shout, try
again and again with the same militant approach as before.
When that fails, they go into an outright hysteria: ' No Olympics for you!, and no fish
and chips either, how dare your quote to us our own principles, you impertinent Russian
savages!!! '. Eventually West might end up in a self-imposed cul-de-sac with the only
option to go for the jugular and start an outright war. Then we will be all f ed, but at
least the Western masters will not lose face.
The US humiliatingly failed in its attempts to frighten and force the DPRK into
submission.
The offer of North Koreans to negotiate is a submission, a direct result of the US
pressure.
The AngloZionists have lost the civil war in Syria.
The war is still going on. Assad barely controls half of Syria. As a matter of fact until
recently he did not even control the whole of Damascus. The Turks are in Afrin, Americans
east of the Euphrates River are building new bases.
The UK and the rest of the NATO are becoming militarily irrelevant.
Sure thing. They are so irrelevant that every time they make a move Putin has a major
fit.
The Ukraine has crashed and is burning and a Ukronazi attack on the Donbass is most
likely.
Agree about the possibility of an attack.
The political forces in Europe who opposed anti-Russian policies are on the ascent.
Any evidence?
The Russians are winning many EU countries over by economic means including North Stream
whereas sanctions are hurting the EU much more than Russia.
A pipe dream.
The anti-Putin campaign has miserably failed and Russia is fully united in her stance
against the Empire.
The anti Putin campaign continues, see your own paragraphs above. Most Russians seem to be
behind Putin.
If it doubles down, something the Neocons always do, then this means war with Russia.
This is a stark and very difficult choice (no, not for normal people, but for the
psychopaths ruling the West).
I am sure that deciding to go to war is extremely difficult choice for the psychopaths
whilst for the normal people it is a piece of cake. The entertainment value of this piece is
priceless.
Well, perhaps save that "priceless".
Just the usual Saker, only with one notch up. Increasingly delusional and ratcheting up his
wishful thinking.
Fanbase and grupies here don't mind that. On the contrary, they need it, and increasingly
so. Offsets, at least temporarily, the harsh realities around them.
Assad of course hasn't won. While ISIS might be no more, and there have been real gains
(Aleppo, Damascus suburbs), this is more than counterbalanced by Turkey establishing a real
presence in northern Syria. Not clear how the Syrians can dislodge them, or the US from
Rojava.
The Ukraine has crashed
and is burning for the past four years now too bad The Saker is the only one noticing it
(well, and Ishchenko, I suppose).
Whether the Ukraine will attack or not.
+: If Russia intervenes forcefully, half the participants announce a boycott. $14 billion
or however much all the stadiums + kickbacks cost down the drain.
-: But then the Ukraine will be in for another humiliating defeat, and possibly the gay
dwarves in the Kremlin finally find the balls to recognize the LDNR.
-: If Russia doesn't intervene, then the Ukraine has a basically good chance of conquering
the LDNR.
I'm afraid the Bolton appointment means more that an immoral, horrible war with Iran became
more probable, not so much Russia. Isn't that the main difference between McMaster and
Bolton? Despite the obvious hair differences.
Agree with the spirit of the title of this piece that the month of Mars, the war month, in
2018, feels like an historic watershed.
'Full Spectrum Dominance', as explicit in US military doctrine, and noted as such by
Harold Pinter in his 2005 Nobel address, and embedded in the F. William Engdahl book 'Full
Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order', was imo both pathological
and impossible, but that didn't stop them from trying.
Putin's announcement to the planet that the Russians had developed a variety of weapons
that were capable of demonstrating dominance over the US, does far more than end American
full spectrum dominance ambitions and pretensions.
The thousand or so American military bases, and its navy around the planet, that have
projected power, are henceforth providing many targets for precise strikes.
It also potentially gives many other countries the ability to purchase the means to be
able to make American or NATO attacks on them far more difficult.
Gen. Wesley Clark's rather famous post 9/11 surprise at hearing that 7 countries in
five years were slated for – in effect – destruction, euphemistically called
regime change is starting to seem like another era. 'Guess what I just heard down the hall.
We're gonna go into 5 countries with our mercenaries, and military, and our amazing
technology, and bomb them all to hell if we have to, and lie to the world about everything
we're doing, and kill and wound and orphan millions of people, because ah, because ah,
because ah, actually I'm not sure why, but that's what's on the program. It's sort of a
tradition. We bombed the hell out of Korea, then we bombed the hell out of Vietnam and Laos
and Cambodia, actually I lost count, so many, anyway fast forward to remnants of Yugoslavia,
boy did we ever destroy that.!'
Absolute power corrupting absolutely, Russia and China providing a counterbalance to the
US attempt at absolute power has saved the Americans perhaps from being corrupted
absolutely.
Karlin, you do understand that you already turned into the cheap pathetic troll, right?
With your zero "expertise" in any military issues (as well as most others related and not)
your opinions on any Russia related military and geopolitical questions are worth as much as
your, well, ignorance. I understand that you have complex of inferiority and are severely
butt-hurt, and having a psychology of a loser-teenager you need to pretend that you somehow
have something to say, but you don't. So, as I suggested in other threads–before you
completely self-destruct and humiliate yourself to the point of becoming a meme for ignorance
matched only by your unconstrained ambition (and you are getting there), try not to parade
yourself as clown since pretty much your any geopolitical "opinion" is a cringe worthy
experience for anyone who have good professional understanding of military issues. You don't
and you have zero background for that, so , as I stated, when I have time I will gladly call
them out. Note though, since you are an amateur in all that, even the way you state your
(butt-hurt) ignorant opinions is such that rational and professional responses are not
possible. It is akin to talking to hysterical girl who was un-liked on Facebook by some boy.
So, just to illustrate how full of shit you are:
The Ukraine has crashed and is burning for the past four years now too bad The Saker is
the only one noticing it (well, and Ishchenko, I suppose).
But then again, you have no faculties to even understand what is going on. Per Ishenko,
LOL. Karlin, read Krylov's famous fable about Elephant and Pug, albeit you are not even
qualified for a role of a pug.
the fact that today Trump replaced McMaster with a warmongering psychopath like John
Bolton is a clear sign that the Neocons are in charge in the US and that the Axis of
Kindness is about to get a heck of a lot "kinder".
I don't care for John Bolton more than most reasonable people do, I suppose, but it's not
clear he's any worse than McMaster. People are readily triggered by the name John
Bolton , but has anything substantively changed?
This speech by a US dummy is a preview of what will come from OPCW "investigation", that
is more of the same as what they concluded regarding Syrian use of chemical weapons. By some
upside down magic privy only to the Exceptional People the countries which have declared,
destroyed and have been verified to have destroyed them, keep using the chemical weapons and
being constantly accused by those who still hold and produce chemical weapons. Those who have
them do not use them, whilst those who do not have them use them. Iraq, Syria now Russia. The
Skripal case is Iraq WMD 3.0.
Therefore, OPCW did not find any problem in that Britain did not follow the procedure
clearly stated in the OPCW Statute, after Britain with Canada even declared that procedure
optional. In reality, it is neither explicitly written nor implied that the procedure of
sharing the samples with the accused is optional. But OPCW keeps silent.
Furthermore, the British are already using own courts to their advantage. Although Miss
Skripal is a Russian citizen they convened a court proceeding about which no Russian
representative was informed and straight out lied in court that the Russians never enquired
about their citizen, contrary to the public announcement by the Russian Ministry of Foreign
Affairs. The British Government appointed a lawyer for Miss Skripal. This court proceeding
was a formality but it is a good sign of the things to come. More details here:
http://johnhelmer.net/the-skripal-case-goes-to-court-for-the-first-time-new-uncertainties-for-the-british-and-russian-governments/#more-18920
My best guess is that OPCW will produce a report full of weasel words, which will then be
blared from all Western MSM as proof of Russian and maybe even Putin's own doing (not sure
how they would make that big jump over in logic, probably through the meme of secret
intelligence that clown Johnson used already).
Any similarity between MH17 and Skripal investigations, although both cooked up in the
same kitchen, is completely coincidental, of course.
Why do you suppose an alt-rightist must view Russia as an extension of what they wish to
have in America? Do you have an example of someone who conflates Russian national interests
with particular American concerns? Why is it not sufficient to recognize a common enemy and
hope for mutual success? At any rate, Putin's multilateralist vision is inherently
conservative (properly understood), and his coherence in absolute terms is admirable (never
mind in comparison to revolting Western politicians).
"We in the United States" are well aware that the British false flag assassination claim
is sheer nonsense, that the UK refuses to allow an investigation precisely because it is a
pack of lies (probably ginned up in an attempt to improve May's approval rating), and that no
"nerve gas" was used, and very likely nobody was killed.
So that's the problem with this ham handed attempt to stir up a pretext for war. Everyone
with a brain knows that it's a lie .There will be no war with Russia, thank God .
In my opinion the May show is no more than paying the price the EU wants for remaining in
the common market.
The EU on the one hand wants to increase the economic war against Russia, on the other it
must prevent that after Brexit GB develops close economic ties with Russia.
The remain in the common market ticket is temporarily, when the agreed period is over a
further price can be asked, the Brussels imperialists think, I suppose.
Alas, Merkel is on her way out, her minister of police etc. begins playing the nationalist
card, resistance in France against Macron is rising, and how the euro country Italy can be
saved nobody knows.
These two staggering leaders want more Europe.
On top of all this misery, the until some time ago biggest bank in the world, Deutsche
Bank, once 100.000 employees worldwide, now 50.000, may soon collapse, share prices dropping
daily for the past week, transaction volumes in shares from 25.000 to even 35.000, where
8.000 is normal.
The derivates DB owns are said to be staggering, over thirty trillion, the EU total national
income, in comparison, is less than ten trillion.
Varoufakis predicted a world wide crash which will make look 1929 child's play in
comparison.
Cannot imagine that the EU survives this crash, the populations will look to the national
governments for food, the rationing thereof, etc.
The fact that Trump is a sad excuse for a human being and a conman has been pretty obvious
since the 1980s. It was never clear to me why conservatives believed this man had really
changed his spots.
The one and only issue where Trump really does seem to have some principles and conviction
is trade. He has certainly defied the Deep State, and most of his donors, on that issue and
he may yet force China to cave and open their economy to Western corporations. If he pulls
that off, he will deserve some credit.
And really, despite his lack of structural change to immigration laws, the ICE does seem
to have become a lot more zealous under Trump's watch than it would have been under Hillary,
so there is that. Problem is Trump is actually looking a lot like Obama – a lot of
symbolic gestures that will probably be instantly reversed by the next President (whether Dem
or GOP), but no real influence over congress and very little substantive legislative changes.
From Carter to Obama and now Trump the record of "outsiders" in the White House is pretty
pathetic.
Rolled is putting things mildly. This is such brazen act of capitulation by the self styled
swamp slayer Trump that he should strongly consider resigning to save face. Trump just took a
giant dump on the people who risked their physical safety to support him at campaign rallies.
At this point I'm throwing him to the wolves and hope Mueller destroys him or the coming
Democrat majority in 2018 impeaches him. He only has his cowardly, lying self to blame.
This is the third spending bill with no wall funding, no reductions in H1B or H2B visas
and no added interior enforcement funding requested by the WH. Trump keeps rubber stamping
these bills then vows to fight next time around only to meekly sign yet again. This all just
seems to be reality TV to him.
This really leaves the deplorables and those opposed to the third worlding of America in
the lurch. Trump was our only and probably last hope and now he's decided to join the swamp
and conduct business as usual. We're totally without political representation at the moment
while the country browns, yellows and blackens at an alarming rate.
I guess we shouldn't be too surprised since Trump has very few core convictions about
anything other than making money and having sex. And of course "winning" which we've done
little of since he assumed office. The only "win" was that he wasn't Hillary but now he
is!
The few political convictions he might possess are very shallow and subject to change
almost hourly depending on who he talks to, Ivanka's emotional state and his PMS like mood
swings. The only thing that's non-negotiable for Trump is slavish support for and devotion to
Israel. Obama was an anti-white and anti-American bigot, but at least he had a world view and
ideology guiding his actions regardless of input he received, his media coverage or his
approval rating.
Trump = Obama = W. Different actors get to play the same role on behalf of the super rich
– it's in the Constitution. It's sad to see a zombie voter express voter's remorse on
social media. An emotional zombie is an obedient slave. They are easy to control since
there's no need for the lash to get them crying about politics.
Trump will have to pound his chest about war like Clinton did with Yugoslavia. This will
make him a well rounded President – he just needs the right supporting cast.
Some actors like General Kelly proudly served the country into 9/11. You'd figure a guy
would get fired for such an enormously bad performance. Instead this moribund ghoul serves as
Chief of Staff. Perhaps it's not his fault and big complicated computers determine when
massive amounts of people need to be killed from time to time.
So on the 15th anniversary of the Iraq debacle, a neocon who cheered it on is rewarded
with a national security post where he can cue up the attack on Iran that was always the
ultimate prize for Israel's US stooges?
Guess we'll be out marching again, just like last time. Bolton's walrus mustache is the
21st century version of Adolph H's toothbrush mustache. Down with the Persian Untermenschen!
/sarc
Of course while working for Cheney Bolton was pretty confident about getting Dubya to
start a war with Iran and that didn't happen. Here's a backgrounder that suggests that Bolton
is tight with both Adelson and the Mossad so one way of looking at this has Russia fading as
a target and Iran falling under the bulls eye. Trump's recent friendly phone call with Putin
was contrary to instructions from his NSC and therefore presumably McMaster.
Looked at optimistically it could be out of the frying pan and into a smaller frying pan
(for us if not for Iran but that remains to be seen).
Of course looked at pessimistically it's terrible news but if the public and Congress are
afraid of Trump gratuitously starting a new war then perhaps they should take away his power
to do so. Seems the Constitution did have something to say about that.
Tol'ja so these miserable wretches simply cannot die resurrection a promise any time a
misfit administration takes power all that audition time on FoxNews paid off Trump stripping
the cable channels of right-wing bloviators "best people for the jawb", don't you know.
Looks like the rules of neoliberal game for Ukraine are as following: Ukraine should be ready
for fight Russia till the last Ukrainian, serving as cannon fodder for EU geopolitical interests
in Eurasia; (2) As a "debt slave" Ukraine should allow the transfer of ownership of all strategic
assets and commodities to EU corporations for pennies on dollar independently of how Donbass
situation is resolved; (3) Ukraine should buy EU products, no matter how poor they are and local
production should be be iether eliminated ("Baltics style deindustrialization"), or outsourced to
transnational corporations with Ukrainian as a cheap labor force (wage slaves).
Notable quotes:
"... And the Ukraine made a massive mistake. Their situation is completely different to Poland after USSR fell. ..."
And the Ukraine made a massive mistake. Their situation is completely different to
Poland after USSR fell.
Very true. Poland was the first Eastern European country which adopted neoliberal model
and thus served to a certain extent as "photo model" of neoliberalism for the rest of Eastern
Europe and xUSSR space. So standard of living did not drop too low. The country was somewhat
supported by EU and by the USA.
Ukraine was royally raped economically in 1991-2000. Probably as bad as Russia, may be
even worse.
In 2014 Ukrainians were lured by unrealistic dream of getting Western European standard of
living as a gift for breaking with Russia. As well as the resentment toward kleptocrat
Yanukovich (which actually was pretty typical neoliberal politician; not much worse then
Poroshenko )
Now they start to understand that the EU will devour the corpse to the bones and they are
stuck at the Central African level poverty of $2 a day or so (on average), but this is too
late.
A very typical story, a very typical outcome. Neoliberalism is a cancer. As Russian prime
minister quipped about economic rape of Russia by local and Western neoliberals in 1991-2000:
"We strived to get the best [economic] outcome, but it turned out like we got even worse then
average. As always." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Chernomyrdin
)
So in a way they stepped on the same rake twice: once in 1991 and the second time in 2014.
That's unforgivable.
"... After the disastrous Yeltsin rule (which came on the heels of disastrous rule by Gorbachev) Putin and his team rescued Russia economically, politically, and militarily. ..."
"... As far as Western "democracies" are concerned, the author hit the nail on the head. Yet there are lots of problems in Russia that the author does not mention. I think current Russian take on Soviet propaganda summarizes everything nicely: "what they told us about socialism was a pack of lies, but what they told us about capitalism turned out to be perfectly true". ..."
The author is painting Putin as larger-than-life figure, which he isn't. He is a normal
man, capable and intelligent, but he is not by any means that superhuman leader and savior.
He looks much greater than he is because you subconsciously compare him with pathetic
nonentities that the Western world sees as leaders now. In fact, the leadership of the US
Empire and all its vassal countries visibly degenerated in the last decades. Just compare De
Gaulle with sad excuses La Belle France had for presidents lately. Or compare Nixon (he might
have been a nasty person, but he was a great President of the country) with various clintons,
bushes, obamas, and trumps. Or compare Chancellor Kohl with that poor excuse for a chancellor
that Germany has today. You get the drift.
Just like the Soviet Union was not defeated by the US, but actually collapsed due to
internal problems, regime change rampage is over largely because the United States pushed
their luck and overextended themselves, and not just thanks to Putin. Throughout history, all
dominant empires lose their grip and eventually crumble (remember Roman or British), and now
it's the turn of the US Empire. Fortunately or unfortunately, the next will be the Chinese
Empire, not Russian.
After the disastrous Yeltsin rule (which came on the heels of disastrous rule by
Gorbachev) Putin and his team rescued Russia economically, politically, and
militarily.
However, the US played a huge role in increasing Putin's popularity inside Russia, more
than his propaganda machine ever could. Before the US-sponsored coup in Ukraine in 2014,
Putin's approval hovered at about 45%. Nazi takeover in Ukraine and his decisive move to take
Crimea back (it was transferred to Ukraine from Russia by Khruschev in 1956, illegally even
by vague Soviet law; Crimea tried to get away from Ukraine ever since the breakup of the USSR
in 1991; polls by Gallup and German company GfK showed that 80%+ Crimean residents wanted to
join Russia, rather than remain in the madhouse that Ukraine became after the coup) resulted
in his approval soaring above 70%.
Ill-advised sanctions added even more. Now he did not need to rig elections, he got
genuine 70%+ vote, a level of support Western politicians can't even dream of (e.g., Trump
was elected by 26% of eligible voters; Merkel's party in Germany got even less).
As far as Western "democracies" are concerned, the author hit the nail on the head.
Yet there are lots of problems in Russia that the author does not mention. I think current
Russian take on Soviet propaganda summarizes everything nicely: "what they told us about
socialism was a pack of lies, but what they told us about capitalism turned out to be
perfectly true".
This is way too rosy account. Russia has several significant problems with growth of
Muslim population and the fact that this is last term for Putin, which might signify the end
of the period of political stability.
Also economic rape by local and Western neoliberals of Russia in 1991-2000 was so
successful that the country still can't fully recover. Hundreds of billions were stolen and
transferred to the West. The "problem of neoliberal oligarchs" as "fifth column" still
remains and is a threat to the future of the country. Too much depends of Putin personally.
In this sense China is in a better position.
Moreover, Putin was forced into new arm race (by the USA) and military spending now are
high and that creates another set of problems including growing influence of internal
military industrial complex. Add to this the cost of Syria war and related set of external
and internal problems, such as almost complete absence of allies (neither China not Iraq are
reliable allies; most post-Soviet republics, even Kazakhstan, are now hostile to Russia)
And Russia does not have too many degrees of freedom yet, as it still depends on the West
for many technologies and complex machinery. West dominates high technology area. Add to this
brain drain and export of capital from Russia.
Technological dependence means that really crippling sanction are always a possibility.
Availability of some of those technologies in China makes this problem less acute than in the
past, but still in no way Russia can pursue completely independent policy.
Add to this dependence on dollar and the fact that Russian national bank, which remain a
neoliberal institution, controlled by neoliberal Nabibulina ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvira_Nabiullina
, who is close to Gref ) who like any "good" neoliberal keeps natural sovereign fund invested
in US Treasuries. In this sense she is not that different from Kudrin.
And that means that those money can be confiscated anytime, like the USA did with Iran in
the past. Also oligarchs money are now in danger due to clear desire of London to improve its
financial standing at Russian oligarchs expense.
What is true is that neoliberalism as a political system entered deep crisis after 2008.
In the USA political system became dysfunctional and there is some kind of "virtual" civil
war between two factions of neoliberal oligarchy -- classic neoliberals and bastard
neoliberals (aka economic nationalists). Add to this "strange" relations with Israel, which
sometimes suggest that the tail wags the dog and I do not see why the USA can't experience
something similar to processes that took place in Britain after the WWII.
But there is still no alternative social system on the horizon and return to "New deal
capitalism" is impossible as the social alliance of management caste changed.
So Russia remains a neoliberal country which hates neoliberalism (in which by definition
the power belongs to the financial oligarchy) and which tries to fight Western neoliberal
imperialism in ofreign policy including attempts to make is a vassal and appropriate its
natural resources (and Russia was a vassal of the West under Yeltsin) while remaining a
neoliberal country and promoting neoliberalism externally. that's a recipe for a color
revolution in the future, more successfully then 2012 "White" color revolution run by Moscow
comprador class. Which in Moscow might well represent probably one third of the population
(programmers, doctors, accountants, employees of foreign companies, part of "integrated with
West" artistic cicles, writers, journalists, etc.). They were politically decimated by events
in Ukraine and then by Russiagate hysteria in the USA. So "neoliberal compradors" class was
not a player in the current elections. But that situation might eventually change and they
can restore part of their political power.
So, in a way, Putin is some kind of Don Quixote which fight neoliberalism (and neoliberal
globalization) externally, while allowing it to exist and even flourish internally (Medvedev,
BTW looks like classic neoliberal, a Trojan horse in Putin's administration).
And internally neoliberalism naturally produces high level of corruption, which is
amplified by "New Economic Policy" elements on the current Russia political regime (which
allowed free operation of small and medium business, but tried to cut/decimate political
power of large business -- a very difficult, if not impossible undertaking)
I think Professor Brovkin forgot the classic Lenin work "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of
Capitalism". That's sad...
Moreover, former pro-Putin people who are now CEO of large government companies are not
longer Pro-Putin people. Because their position influences their political orientation. In a
sense, people like Gref and Sechin are dangerous strata of Putin-created "nova riches", who
can betray him any moment, especially if their money will be under the treat of confiscation
by the West.
It might well be that Putin was an anomaly and Russian will enter "Maidan" period or some
other form of political crisis after Putin relinquishes his power.
BTW Ukrainians were successfully deceived by the West twice, so I do not see why Russians
can't repeat this trick and step of the same rake again by electing some variation of Yeltsin
who will promise them immediate bright future and jump in the standard of living (which for
the last three year deteriorated due to low oil prices and a huge depreciation of ruble). For
Ukrainians around 20 year was enough to forget all lessons.
My impression is that Russia might experience yet another serious of political cataclysm
in the near future, when "Putinism" will disappear with Putin.
How many knows that Obama, the son of Africa , went to the WH with a regime change
feather already in his cap, ?
Obama's Kenya caper ..
During the parliamentary elections of December 2007, a survey funded by USAID announces
the victory of Odinga. On election day, John McCain announced that President Kibaki rigged
the election in favor of his party and that in fact the opposition led by Odinga had won.
The NSA, in conjunction with local phone operators, sent anonymous text messages to the
population.
In areas populated by the Luo (Odinga's ethnic group), they read "Dear Kenyans, the
Kikuyu have stolen our children's future We must treat them in the only way that they
understand with violence."
In areas populated by Kikuyu, they read: "The blood of any innocent Kikuyu will be paid.
We will slaughter them right to the heart of the capital. For Justice, establish a list of
Luos that you know. We will send you the phone numbers to call with such information."
Within days, this peaceful country sank into sectarian violence. The riots caused
over 1 000 deaths and 300 000 displaced. 500 000 jobs were lost .
Madeleine Albright came back. She offered to mediate between President Kibaki and the
opposition trying to overthrow him. With finesse, she stepped aside and placed in the
spotlight the Oslo Center for Peace and Human Rights. The board of this respected NGO was
newly chaired by the former Prime Minister of Norway, Thorbjørn Jagland.
Breaking with the Center's traditional impartiality, he sent two mediators on site, whose
expenses were entirely footed by Madeleine Albright's NDI (that is to say ultimately out of
the U.S. Department of State's budget): another former Norwegian Prime Minister, Kjell Magne
Bondevik, and former UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan (the Ghanaian is very much on the scene
in Scandinavian states since he married the niece of Raoul Wallenberg). Compelled to
accept the compromises forced on him in order to restore civil peace, President Kibaki agreed
to create a prime minister post and to entrust it to Raila Odinga,who immediately
began reducing trade with China.
Small gifts between friends
A simple question: Where is Julia Skripal, a citizen of Russain Federation, who was taken by
the UK secret services and whisked away to some undisclosed location? There have been no
photographs of either her father (British citizen) and Julia since the odd incident in a city
of Salisbury that is a few miles away from the UK's main lab of chemical weaponry research.
"Porton Down is situated just northeast of the village of Porton near Salisbury, in
Wiltshire, England. a site of the Ministry of Defence's Defence Science and Technology
Laboratory (Dstl) – known for over 100 years as one of the UK's most secretive and
controversial military research facilities , occupying 7,000 acres." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porton_Down
Support the [ISIS] troops [in a war for Israel]!
http://thesaker.is/syrian-war-report-march-22-2018-syrian-army-gets-control-of-harasta-militants-withdraw/
"Over 40 tonnes of toxic agents have been found in the areas liberated from militants
Damascus has officially confirmed its readiness to assist in any investigation into a
chemical attack in Syria. However, international organizations have refused to cooperate with
the Syrian government, practically conniving with terrorist organizations in their
illegal activity. The Syrian Foreign Ministry pointed out that more than 40 tonnes of
chemical warfare agents have been discovered on the territories liberated from terrorist
s the international community prefers turning a blind eye to the real facts in which chemical
weapons are used in Syria against the government troops and civilians. .."
"... Ultimately, Britain is not a factor in foreign affairs. Having withdrawn from the EU, they've vanished up the USA's asshole. The US controls their Fisher-Price nuclear deterrent and their increasingly atavistic veto. ..."
"... The determining geopolitical factor is Russia's missile announcement. It re-established MAD, but that's not all. It also created a capability for proportional response to the entire range of US force that effectively counters all US use and threat of force. ..."
Interesting detail about illegal British war propaganda in breach of ICCPR Article 20. Of
particular note is the report of Pompeo's role in the blame game for the failed provocation.
Ultimately, Britain is not a factor in foreign affairs. Having withdrawn from the EU,
they've vanished up the USA's asshole. The US controls their Fisher-Price nuclear deterrent
and their increasingly atavistic veto.
The determining geopolitical factor is Russia's missile announcement. It
re-established MAD, but that's not all. It also created a capability for proportional
response to the entire range of US force that effectively counters all US use and threat of
force. There's no more game of chicken. Russia can discipline the US with localized
humiliation and global rout without recourse to mutual destruction.
The Russian program of coercion to peace is already taking effect:
In these talks, Russia is in a position to impose not just nuclear disarmament but
demilitarization. They've turned the clock back to the Eisenhower/Herter peace plan. That is
a very good thing.
My own country is looking particularly shabby at the moment, over a number of topical news
stories:
The alleged Salisbury attack, and in particular the disgraceful and shameful British
government response to it and the lockstep backing for it by the establishment media. Rush to
judgement, childish government and diplomatic ranting, Iraq War-style manipulation of
seemingly laughably inadequate evidence to "fit the facts around the policy", massive
jingoistic propaganda effort.
Intelligence and security community involvement in the manipulative anti-Trump hysteria in
the US.
Now, the related Cambridge Analytica/SCL Elections story and the comical performance in
presumably giving time to cover up information on that company's servers with a convenient
court delay in issuing a search warrant:
The information commissioner will have to wait until at least Friday to enter the
offices of Cambridge Analytica after a high court judge adjourned the hearing into her
application for a warrant.
The commissioner, Elizabeth Denham, announced on Monday night that she planned to
request an urgent warrant to enter the company's London offices, after it was revealed that
it had been given information from 50m Facebook profiles without users' permission.
.
On Tuesday, crates were seen being removed from the central London office that Cambridge
Analytica shares with other tenants. No one on the scene would comment on the origin of the
crates, and the ICO said it was not involved in their removal.
The effectiveness of US sphere establishment media propaganda can be judged from the
widespread belief that Russia was likely responsible for the alleged attack in Salisbury,
when in reality the case against Russia is almost literally
non-existent . One survey suggested as few as 26% even questioned the state approved and
propaganda-imposed version (poll conducted 14th/15th March):
So on the 15th anniversary of the Iraq debacle, a neocon who cheered it on is rewarded
with a national security post where he can cue up the attack on Iran that was always the
ultimate prize for Israel's US stooges?
Guess we'll be out marching again, just like last time. Bolton's walrus mustache is the
21st century version of Adolph H's toothbrush mustache. Down with the Persian Untermenschen!
/sarc
Of course while working for Cheney Bolton was pretty confident about getting Dubya to
start a war with Iran and that didn't happen. Here's a backgrounder that suggests that Bolton
is tight with both Adelson and the Mossad so one way of looking at this has Russia fading as
a target and Iran falling under the bulls eye. Trump's recent friendly phone call with Putin
was contrary to instructions from his NSC and therefore presumably McMaster.
Looked at optimistically it could be out of the frying pan and into a smaller frying pan
(for us if not for Iran but that remains to be seen).
Of course looked at pessimistically it's terrible news but if the public and Congress are
afraid of Trump gratuitously starting a new war then perhaps they should take away his power
to do so. Seems the Constitution did have something to say about that.
Tol'ja so these miserable wretches simply cannot die resurrection a promise any time a
misfit administration takes power all that audition time on FoxNews paid off Trump stripping
the cable channels of right-wing bloviators "best people for the jawb", don't you know.
I find it rather interesting that none of the comments address the last part of Shamir's
article. If it's correct, the Brits made a very nasty error that shows the true nature of
their establishment.
Rick Merlotti , March 19, 2018 at 10:39 am
Perfidious Albion
A short statement of the reasons why the British are now staging the Skripal provocation
can be found in a March 14 London Sunday Telegraph call to arms by Allister Heath, who
rants:
"We need a new world order to take on totalitarian capitalists in Russia and China Such an
alliance would dramatically shift the global balance of power, and allow the liberal
democracies finally to fight back. It would endow the world with the sorts of robust
institutions that are required to contain Russia and China Britain needs a new role in the
world; building such a network would be our perfect mission."
Across the pond, as they say, a similar foundational statement was made by 68 former Obama
Administration officials who have formed a group called National Security Action, aimed at
securing Trump's impeachment and attacking Russia and China.
As visitors to the LaRouchePAC website know, Russia and China have embarked on a massive
infrastructure building project in Eurasia, the center of all British geopolitical fantasies
since the time of Halford MacKinder. Moreover, China's Belt and Road Initiative now
encompasses more than 140 nations in the largest infrastructure-building project ever
undertaken in human history. This project is a true economic engine for the future, while
neo-liberal economies continue to see their productive potentials sucked dry by the massive
mound of debt they have created since the 2008 financial collapse. This debt is now on a hair
trigger for implosion. It is estimated by banking insiders that the City of London is sitting
on a derivatives powderkeg of $700 trillion with over-the-counter derivatives accounting for
another $570 trillion. The City of London will bear the major impact of the derivatives
collapse.
In this strategic geometry, President Trump's support of peaceful collaboration with
Russia during the campaign and his personal friendship with President Xi, marked him for the
relentless coup against him waged by the British and their U.S. friends.
On top of that, President Putin delivered a mammoth strategic shock on March 1, showing
new Russian weapons systems based on new physical principles which render present U.S. ABM
systems and much of current U.S. war-fighting doctrine obsolete, together with the vaunted
first strike capacity with which NATO has surrounded Russia. Not only is the West sitting on
a new financial collapse; its vaunted military superiority has just been flanked.
Allister Heath pretends to be a pole-bearer for liberal democracies. And what exactly is
so precious about Heath and his "liberal democracy" in the UK?
Is it the sudden expertise in chemical weaponry by Boris Johnson, who "knew" immediately
that "Russians did it?" This Boris Johnson: "'I am a passionate Zionist,' declares Boris
Johnson: http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/boris-johnson-zionist/
Compare Boris pronouncements to the expert conclusion by a real expert in chemical
weaponry:
"This so-called "nerve agent" [novichok] has never been placed on the OPCW list of banned
chemical weapons because it has never existed. Its non-existence was confirmed by Dr. Robin
Black, until recently he was a head of the detection laboratory at the Defence Science and
Technology Laboratory (Porton Down). He wrote in his review: " emphasizes that there is no
independent confirmation of Mirzayanov's claims about the chemical properties of these
compounds: Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly
originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent
confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published.
(Black, 2016)"
Of course it was a coup, though not a South American style with colonels in charge. It was
brought about in the first instance by American meddling, with the obligatory tidal wave of
cash in the cover of so called Orange Revolutions and aided by the neo-Nazi faction among the
Ukrainians.
However fragile there was a constitutional order in the Ukraine, which held the Ukrainian
and Russian speaking peoples of the Ukraine together. But the Westerners held the carrots of
a Western lifestyle, which the Russians could not match. The bloodshed in that part of the
world was instigated by the usual cabal of troublemakers. Putin was inclined to see the
Ukrainians more as misguided Russians rather than anything else.
''SJ Res 54, the Senate's War Powers Act challenge to the US military involvement in the
Yemen War, was killed Tuesday by the Senate, meaning it will not get a direct floor vote. The
bill noted that Congress never authorized the Yemen War, and would've compelled the US to
withdraw its participation. The vote was 55-44.''
''Merkel stressed that a U.S. withdrawal would divide the west. According to the German
official, Merkel said to Netanyahu: "It will put us, the Brits and the French on the same
side with Russia, China and Iran when the U.S. and Israel will be on the other side. Is this
what you want?"
Merkel must know the answer to her question to Netanyahu...Israel will use the US as a
battering ram against the entire world until it falls into splinters.
"... The UK has a long record of misdoings, he said, including the support of coup in Ukraine and the invasion of Iraq. "This is like talking to overweight alcoholics and drug users that have lost any sense of dignity." ..."
"... Their plan was to fabricate an attack against an ex-double agent in Salisbury and at the same time a chemical attack against the " moderate rebels " in the Ghouta. The conspirators' intention was to profit from the efforts of Syria to liberate the suburbs of its capital city and the disorganisation of Russia on the occasion of its Presidential election. Had these manipulations worked, the United Kingdom would have pushed the USA to bomb Damascus, including the Presidential palace, and demand that the United Nations General Assembly exclude Russia from the Security Council. ..."
"... However, the Syrian and Russian Intelligence Services got wind of what was being plotted. They realised that the US agents in the Ghouta who were preparing an attack against the Ghouta were not working for the Pentagon, but for another US agency. ..."
"... And there's the additional evidence that some kind of False Flag attempt fell apart at Eastern Ghouta + Trump's discovery that the Deep State was planning to take him by surprise (the immediate dismissal of Tillerson). ..."
Lord Robertson, Secretary General of NATO, wrote a draft resolution invoking Article 5 in
the Washington treaty -- the famous 'musketeer clause' -- as a consequence of the terror
attacks: "The Council agreed that if it is determined that this attack was directed from
abroad against the United States, it shall be regarded as an action covered by Article 5 of
the Washington Treaty, which states that an armed attack against one or more of the Allies in
Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all."
There was a reservation. Article 5 would not be formally activated before "it is
determined that this attack was directed from abroad". Apparently, NATO had a suspect. But
the forensic evidence was still pending, and hence also the formal invocation of Article
5.
Formally, this evidence was provided by Frank Taylor, a diplomat with the title of Ambassador
from the US State Department . The first bombs fell in Kabul on 7 October 2001 [the
slaughter of civilians by the US/NATO had begun].
Article 5 of the Washington Treaty emphasises the right to self-defense and reads:
"Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective
self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, ." That is,
military action is forbidden in the absence of an armed provocation , and the legality
of the attack on Afghanistan depends exclusively on the evidence presented in Frank Taylor's
report. But it was classified together with the minutes from the pertinent
meetings.
We are still at war seventeen years later. Five countries have been destroyed, hundreds of
thousands of people killed and millions displaced. Refugees are swarming the roads of Europe,
trillions of dollars have been spent on weapons and mercenaries and our grandchildren have
been shackled with endless debt."
-- Oded Yinon plan' fanatics, oilmen, banksters, MIC, "ambassadors," "lords," and "elected
leaders of the free world " -- None of the war criminals has been punished. Guess, their
children and grandchildren will be paying for the scoundrels' cowardice and lies.
"The Day, a news website that produces short articles about current affairs meant to be
used as teaching aids in British schools , has offered students two alternatives to
believe about Vladimir Putin: he is either Europe's "most dangerous leader since Hitler," or
a puffed up figure attacking other nations out of weakness."
-- Was it a Friend of Israel that has concocted the definitions?
"Russian ambassador Alexander Yakovenko has held a press conference in London, denying the
Kremlin was involved in the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia using
military-grade nerve agent.
"Britain has without any evidence blamed Russia for poisoning three people and continues
to refuse to cooperate," he said.
The UK authorities are violating Vienna Convention by not giving Russia access to
Skripals, because Skripal has dual citizenship (the UK and Russia), Russian Ambassador to the
UK Alexander Yakovenko said.
The Russian embassy has immediately requested details and materials of the case, the envoy
stated.
While 10 days have passed, Moscow has received no response, while London has refused to
pass samples of the poisonous substance allegedly used to attack Skripal.
Then Yakovenko turned a little darker, seemingly indicating concerns that this was nothing
but a false-flag operation (via SputnikNews)
The envoy called for checking how could British experts find out the exact type of the
nerve gas used to poison Skripal . [Good question!]
Commenting on the death of former top manager of Russian Aeroflot airline Nikolai
Glushkov, the ambassador stated that "we cannot take Britain's words on trust."
Alexander Yakovenko said that Britain has provided no proof of Russia's alleged
involvement in the nerve agent attack.
He suggested that the samples of the so-called Novichok nerve gas could have already been
in possession of a laboratory, which is located just miles away from Salisbury .
"We have been refused consular access to our Russian citizen Yulia Skripal ,"
Russian Ambassador to the UK Alexander Yakovenko said.
The UK is ignoring requests on case of Russian businessman Glushkov who died in London,
ambassador stated.
Russian experts puzzled how UK managed to determine type of nerve gas in Skripal
case, in days, but not weeks or months.
The UK has a long record of misdoings, he said, including the support of coup in
Ukraine and the invasion of Iraq. "This is like talking to overweight alcoholics and drug
users that have lost any sense of dignity."
Boris Johnson [the self-proclaimed "passionate Zionist") compared Russia's hosting of this
year's World Cup to the 1936 Olympics in Nazi Germany. Russians respond: "Nobody has the
right to insult the Russian people, who defeated the Nazis."
"The US special forces deliver 20 tons of chlorine gas to Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria
order to execute a false flag for the purposes of blaming Damascus and Moscow."
"It seems that there is a significant effort by the United States, the United Kingdom,
France and Germany to provoke a military confrontation with Moscow. How else are we able to
interpret threats from Macron to strike Damascus, together with his ominous advice to foreign
journalists not to go to Damascus in the coming days and, for those already there, to leave
the capital immediately? There has even been chatter within diplomatic circles that suggest
that UN personnel are leaving Damascus.
This could be psychological warfare, or it could be a prelude to war. With the stakes so
high, we cannot afford to ignore any detail, even if it may be disinformation. The American
attack seems imminent, with mounting signs of movements of American and Russian warships in
the Mediterranean in attack formation.
Russian military representatives have reiterated that in the event of an attack, they will
respond by hitting both the missiles launched as well as the ships from which the missiles
were launched. Things are getting pretty dicey, and the risk of a direct confrontation
between the United States and the Russian Federation are rising with every passing hour. The
transfer of numerous US aircraft from Incirlik, Turkey, to Al-Azrak, Jordan, is another
indication of preparations for an attack, since the forces moved to Jordan are close to the
Al-Tanf base. The proposed strategy could involve an assault on the city of Daraa, for the
purposes of securing the borders between Syria and Jordan and Syria and Israel.
The warnings raised by Lavrov and Gerasimov appear unprecedented, given that they detail a
plan already set in course, evidently approved at the highest levels and aimed at
provoking and justifying an attack on Syria ; and attack that would encompass the Russian
forces in Syria. "
The Zionists control Britain and the U.S. and are planning to start WWIII using Syria and
Iran as the precursor and nothing is going to stop this Zionist drive for a Zionist NWO no
matter what the cost in lives or money, these satanic bastards are bound and determined to
have a war with Russia and so it shall be done.
These satanic bastards have deep underground military bases that they think they can
survive a nuclear war in and so they might, but what will be left, by the way these bases are
known as DUMBs, and are connected by a tunnel system through out the U.S. and Britain, if
anyone doubts this , do some research , it is true.
Mr. Meyssan wrote the first book, in 2002, to assert that 9/11 was a False Flag attack by
what we now call the 'Deep State". 9/11 The Big Lie came out in English in 2003. I believe
that Meyssan is living in exile from France in Syria. He was one of the first reporters to
show that the attacks upon Assad and Syria were being run by foreign intelligence operatives
and their terrorist minions like ISIS.
I am glad that Mr. Unz has run this very important article on the present intrigue.
This excellent article is why I visit this site. Doing the work that the Jewstream media
refuses to do. I knew "something was rotten in Denmark"! It is very, very good that the world
has leaders such as our great President Trump and powerful (take no bull) Putin. As far as
Merkel and May go the sooner the door hits them on the Ass the better.
Hilarious nonsense! Thierry Meyssan is a specialist in conspiracy theories and could be
called a "9/11 negationist". One can assume that, in his eyes, the Salisbury attack,
regardless of who might have carried it out, has not worked to Putin's advantage.
Dutch voters behaved badly, so the toys are taken away. No more 'referanda' for you.
The disintegration will accelerate: more new faces, local parties, rebellion parties. And,
of course, more clowns (hello Boris, now climb down from that tree).
Brussels is having urgent off-sites with think-tank geniuses how to stop it. So far they
have come up with: more 'media control' (propaganda), more outreach, drastic new restrictions
('you like the old Europe? -- xenophobe!, no travel for you'), and a circular management
refresh, Macronism .
One thing I doubt the globo-liberal EU obsessives will ever do is to actually listen to
the 'misguided' people. It has been preliminary decided to simply label any resistance as '
Russian subversion '. That buys some time, but they have no long term solutions, or
even coherent ideas. This will get more entertaining. Boris J-man might actually climb up
that tree before this is over
There is structural Globalist government and all participants as Theresa May are only
puppets. All western leaderships are only participants. So far only Trump is the one who is
resisting.
The orders are coming from Rothschild. He ordered now that Russia must be destroyed or at
least neutralized. I am convinced that Russia's government is fully aware of what is going
on.
Just a while ago Russia commissioned three nuclear armed submarines. Not long time ago
Putin ordered nuclear drill over all country. I would guess that Russia already a while ago
is on war preparation mode. Looks like the west lost its mind.
Concerning economy Britain is in trouble. French were strongly opposing Britain to join
EU. That was because England is the main competitor for French food exports. One thing from
this will be good. Barb be qui season is coming and beef will be now cheep.
Well I felt so unattracted by what I had read that I thought it would be helpful to see if
any of the UR Commenters who can make sense would give an assessment.
Thank you for the information. It doesn't make him sound like a person who is well placed
to make the claims to knowledge he has about what went on in England.
The main Brussels' battle cry is 'populism'. In my opinion, populism is simply opposing
political mainstream. But this mainstream is disintegrating, Hollande abolished the French
socialist party, Parti Socialiste.
In Germany Schulz, former EU top man, SPD member, the Socialist Party Germany, even had to
step down as chairman in order to make SPD members agree with the SPD coalition with Merkel's
CDU. Schulz obviously left his overpaid Brussels job in order to become chancellor.
But also Merkel policies are breaking down. Her minister of the Interior, police, border
control, immigration, naturalisation, granting asylum, Seehofer, states that he will
reinstate border controls, as the EU does nothing. Polls show that 76% of Germans agree with
him.
What most Germans do not know is that oral instructions were given in Merkel's former
chancellor period to customs and border police, not to stop any immigrant at the borders.
Merkel and Seehofer now disagree on Islam, Merkel 'the Islam belongs to Germany', Seehofer
'the Islam is in Germany'. But in how far the German people and culture can be saved in the
long run one wonders. Demographic calsulations show that with present differences in birth
rates in 30 to 40 years time 30 to 40% of the Germans will be Muslims. As Merkel said
'they're here already'. What Merkel's objectives are or were, she if often compared to the
sfinx. In any case Mutti, mom, cannot last much longer.
E European countries reject Muslim immigrants. However, after the Muslim immigrants have
been naturalised, under present EU rules, they can settle anywhere in the EU, so the eastern
countries cannot keep them away. If they want to settle in hostile communities is the
question.
" Looks like the west lost its mind. " Rothschild, Bilderberg, is not the west, nor is
AIPAC and AEI. However, former Shell CEO Van der Veer is chairman of a NATO strategic
advisory committee.
Now go back and read the article and then re-assess what A436 said, Wally.
It doesn't make him sound like a person who is well placed to make the claims to
knowledge he has about what went on in England.
He's talking about whether Thierry Meyssan would really have access to the people and
information that could confirm this story of conspiracy and its uncovering.
The British government and certain of its allies, including US Secretary of State Rex
Tillerson, have attempted to launch a Cold War against Russia.
Their plan was to fabricate an attack against an ex-double agent in Salisbury and at
the same time a chemical attack against the " moderate rebels " in the Ghouta. The
conspirators' intention was to profit from the efforts of Syria to liberate the suburbs of
its capital city and the disorganisation of Russia on the occasion of its Presidential
election. Had these manipulations worked, the United Kingdom would have pushed the USA to
bomb Damascus, including the Presidential palace, and demand that the United Nations
General Assembly exclude Russia from the Security Council.
However, the Syrian and Russian Intelligence Services got wind of what was being
plotted. They realised that the US agents in the Ghouta who were preparing an attack
against the Ghouta were not working for the Pentagon, but for another US agency.
In Damascus, the Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs, Fayçal Miqdad, set up an
emergency Press conference for 10 March, in order to alert his fellow citizens. From its
own side, Moscow had first of all tried to contact Washington via the diplomatic channels.
But aware that the US ambassador, Jon Huntsman Jr, is the director of Caterpillar, the
company which had supplied tunneling materials to the jihadists so that they could build
their fortifications, Moscow decided to bypass the usual diplomatic channels.
No, you don't need to be IN England. But you do need to have at least a small record of
qualifications and credibility to get readers to move past those first paragraphs which look
like the script of a movie starring Jennifer Lawrence as an FSB triple-agent.
A comment from Randal on another thread that gets to the point:
The only suggestions that the Russians were responsible for the incident come from
exactly the same kinds of people who told us about Iraq's WMD and the supposed Libyan
humanitarian emergency. And yes, about supposed suicidal Syrian government uses of chemical
weapons that are conveniently just big enough to provide their enemies with yet another big
stick to beat them with, but not enough to give them any material advantage.
And there's the additional evidence that some kind of False Flag attempt fell apart at
Eastern Ghouta + Trump's discovery that the Deep State was planning to take him by surprise
(the immediate dismissal of Tillerson).
"... By doing do, the British government adopted the theories of Professor Amy Knight. On 22 January 2018, this US Sovietologist published a very strange book -- Orders to Kill -- the Putin régime and political murder . The author, who is " the " specialist on the ex-KGB, attempts to demonstrate that Vladimir Putin is a serial killer responsible for dozens of political assassinations, from the terrorist attacks in Moscow in 1999 to the attack on the Boston Marathon in 2013, by way of the execution of Alexandre Litvinenko in London in 2006 or that of Boris Nemtsov in Moscow in 2015. However, she admits herself that there is absolutely no proof of her accusations. ..."
"... The European Liberals then joined the fray. Ex-Prime Minister of Belgium Guy Verhofstadt, who presides their group in the European Parliament, called on the European Union to adopt sanctions against Russia. His counterpart at the head of their British party, Sir Vince Cable, proposed a European boycott of the World Football Cup. And already, Buckingham Palace announced that the royal family has canceled their trip to Russia. ..."
"... Responding to the Prime Minister, Blairist deputy Chris Leslie qualified Russia as a rogue state and demanded its suspension from the UN Security Council. Theresa May agreed to examine the question, but stressed that the outcome could only be decided by the General Assembly in order to avoid the Russian veto. ..."
"... During the public debate which followed, UK chargé d'affaire Jonathan Allen represented his country. He is an agent of MI6 who created the British War Propaganda Service and gives active support to the jihadists in Syria. He declared -- " Russia has already interfered in the affairs of other countries, Russia has already violated international law in Ukraine, Russia has comtempt for civilian life, as witnessed by the attack on a commercial aircraft over Ukraine by Russian mercenaries, Russia protects the use of chemical weapons by Assad ( ) The Russian state is responsible for this attempted murder ". The permanent representative for France, François Delattre, who, by virtue of a derogation by President Sarkozy, was trained at the US State Department, noted that his country had launched an initiative to end the impunity of those who use chemical weapons. He implied that the initiative, originally directed at Syria, could also be turned against Russia. ..."
"... Russian ambassador Vasily Nebenzya pointed out that the session had been convened at London's request, but that it is public at Moscow's request. He observed that the United Kingdom is violating international law by treating this subject at the Security Council while keeping the OPCW out of its enquiry. He noted that if London had been able to identify the " Novotchik ", it's because it has the formula and can therefore make its own. He noted Russia's desire to collaborate with the OPCW in the respect for international procedures. ..."
"... Throughout its long history, England has never hesitated to lie and betray its oath in order to defend its interests. This is how it earned its French nickname of " perfide Albion " (after the Latin name for England) ..."
"... local parties are the winners, winners also are national anti establishment parties, despite the demonizing of these populists, that represent the opinions of a significant portion of the population. ..."
"... As Belgium and Germany, governing our country becomes more and more difficult. The country seems to be more and more divided between those who trust the government, and those with deep distrust. ..."
The British government and certain of its allies, including US Secretary of State Rex
Tillerson, have attempted to launch a Cold War against Russia.
Their plan was to fabricate an attack against an ex-double agent in Salisbury and at the
same time a chemical attack against the " moderate rebels " in the Ghouta. The conspirators'
intention was to profit from the efforts of Syria to liberate the suburbs of its capital city
and the disorganisation of Russia on the occasion of its Presidential election. Had these
manipulations worked, the United Kingdom would have pushed the USA to bomb Damascus, including
the Presidential palace, and demand that the United Nations General Assembly exclude Russia
from the Security Council.
However, the Syrian and Russian Intelligence Services got wind of what was being plotted.
They realised that the US agents in the Ghouta who were preparing an attack against the Ghouta
were not working for the Pentagon, but for another US agency.
In Damascus, the Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs, Fayçal Miqdad, set up an
emergency Press conference for 10 March, in order to alert his fellow citizens. From its own
side, Moscow had first of all tried to contact Washington via the diplomatic channels. But
aware that the US ambassador, Jon Huntsman Jr, is the director of Caterpillar, the company
which had supplied tunneling materials to the jihadists so that they could build their
fortifications, Moscow decided to bypass the usual diplomatic channels.
The Syrian army seized two chemical weapons laboratories, the first on 12 March in Aftris,
and the second on the following day in Chifonya. Meanwhile, Russian diplomats pushed the
Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) to get involved in the criminal
investigation in Salisbury.
In the House of Commons, British Prime Minister Theresa May violently accused Russia of
having ordered the attack in Salisbury. According to her, the ex-double agent Sergueï
Skripal and his daughter were poisoned by a military nerve gas of a type " developed by
Russia " under the name of " Novitchok ". Since the Kremlin considers Russian citizens who
have defected as legitimate targets, it is therefore highly likely that they ordered the
crime.
" Novitchok " is known by what has been revealed by two Soviet personalities, Lev Fyodorov
and Vil Mirzayanov. The scientist Fyodorov published an article in the Russian weekly Top
Secret (Совершенно
секретно) in July 1992, warning about the
extremely dangerous nature of this product, and warning against the use of old Soviet
weaponry by the Western powers to destroy the environment in Russia and make it unlivable. In
October 1992, he published a second article in the News of Moscow
(Московские
новости) with a counter-espionage executive,
Mirzayanov, denouncing the corruption of certain generals and the traffic of " Novitchok " in
which they were involved. However, they did not know to whom they may have sold the product.
Mirzayanov was first of all arrested for high treason, then released. Fyodorov died in Russia
last August, but Mirzayanov is living in exile in the United States, where he collaborates
with the Department of Defense.
Russian ex-counter intelligence officer Vil Mirzayanov defected to the United States. Now
83 years old, he comments on the Skripal affair from Boston.
" Novitchok " was fabricated in a Soviet laboratory in Nurus, in what is now Uzbekistan.
During the dissolution of the Soviet Union, it was destroyed by a US team of specialists.
Uzbekistan and the United States, by necessity, have therefore possessed and studied samples
of this substance. They are both capable of producing it.
British Minister for Foreign Affairs Boris Johnson summoned the Russian ambassador in
London, Alexandre Iakovenko. He gave him an ultimatum of 36 hours to check if any " Novitchok
" was missing from their stocks. The ambassador replied that none was missing, because Russia
had destroyed all of the chemical weapons it had inherited from the Soviet Union, as
witnessed by the OPCW, which had drawn up a certified report.
After a telephone discussion with Boris Johnson, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in
turn condemned Russia for the attack in Salisbury.
Meanwhile, a debate was under way at the UN Security Council concerning the situation in
the Ghouta. The permanent representative for the US, Nikki Haley, declared -- " About one
year ago, after the sarin gas attack perpetrated in Khan Cheïkhoun by the Syrian
régime, the United States warned the Council. We said that faced with the systematic
inaction of the international community, states are sometimes obliged to act on their own.
The Security Council did not react, and the United States bombed the air base from which al
Assad had launched his chemical attack. We are reiterating the same warning today ".
The Russian Intelligence Services handed out documents from the US staff. They showed that
the Pentagon was ready to bomb the Presidential palace and the Syrian Ministries, on the
model of what it had done during the taking of Baghdad (3 to 12 April 2003).
Commenting the declaration by Nikki Haley, the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs, who
had always called the attack in Khan Cheïkhoun a " Western manipulation ", revealed that
the false information which had led the White House into error and triggered the bombing of
the Al-Chaayrate air base, had in fact come from a British laboratory which had never
revealed how it came to possess its samples.
The Russian Minister for Foreign Affairs published a Press release condemning a possible
US military intervention, and announcing that if Russian citizens were harmed in Damascus,
Moscow would riposte proportionally, since the Russian President is constitutionally
responsible for the security of his fellow citizens.
Bypassing the official diplomatic channels, Russian Chief of Staff General Valeri
Guerassimov contacted his US counterpart General Joseph Dunford to inform him of his fear of
a false flag chemical attack in Ghouta. Dunford took this information vey seriously, and
alerted US Defense Secretary General Jim Mattis, who referred the matter to President Donald
Trump. In view of the Russian insistence that this piece of foul play was being prepared
without the knowledge of the Pentagon, the White House asked the Director of the CIA, Mike
Pompeo, to identify those responsible for the conspiracy.
We do not know the result of this internal enquiry, but President Trump acquired the
conviction that his Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, was implicated. The Secretary of State
was immediately asked to interrupt his official journey in Africa and return to
Washington.
Theresa May wrote to the General Secretary of the United Nations accusing Russia of having
ordered the attack in Salisbury, and convened an emergency meeting of the Security Council.
Without waiting, she expelled 23 Russian diplomats.
Published one month and a half before the attack in Salisbury, Amy Knight's book presents
what was to become MI5's thesis. The author herself maintains that she has not the slightest
proof of what she is claiming.
At the request of President of the House of Commons Interior Committee Yvette Cooper,
British Secretary for the Interior Amber Rudd announced that MI5 (Military Interior Secret
Services ) is going to re-open 14 enquiries into deaths which, according to US sources, were
ordered by the Kremlin.
By doing do, the British government adopted the theories of Professor Amy Knight. On
22 January 2018, this US Sovietologist published a very strange book -- Orders to Kill --
the Putin régime and political murder . The author, who is " the " specialist on
the ex-KGB, attempts to demonstrate that Vladimir Putin is a serial killer responsible for
dozens of political assassinations, from the terrorist attacks in Moscow in 1999 to the
attack on the Boston Marathon in 2013, by way of the execution of Alexandre Litvinenko in
London in 2006 or that of Boris Nemtsov in Moscow in 2015. However, she admits herself that
there is absolutely no proof of her accusations.
The European Liberals then joined the fray. Ex-Prime Minister of Belgium Guy
Verhofstadt, who presides their group in the European Parliament, called on the European
Union to adopt sanctions against Russia. His counterpart at the head of their British party,
Sir Vince Cable, proposed a European boycott of the World Football Cup. And already,
Buckingham Palace announced that the royal family has canceled their trip to Russia.
The UK communications regulator, Ofcom, announced that it might ban the channel Russia
Today as a retaliatory measure, even though RT has on no occasion violated British
law.
The Russian Minister for Foreign Affairs summoned the British ambassador in Moscow to
inform him that reciprocal measures would soon be indicated in retaliation for the expulsion
of Russian diplomats from London.
President Trump announced on Twitter that he had fired his Secretary of State, with whom
he had not yet been in contact. He was replaced by Mike Pompeo, ex-Director of the CIA, who,
the night before, had confirmed the authenticity of the Russian information transmitted by
General Dunford. On his arrival in Washington, Tillerson obtained confirmation of his
dismissal from White House General Secretary General John Kelly.
The ex-CEO of the largest
multinational in the world, ExxonMobil, thought he was untouchable. But to his great
surprise, Rex Tillerson was brutally dismissed by Donald Trump. The former believed he was
serving the Anglo-Saxon world, while the latter considers him to be a traitor to his country.
Ex-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is a product of the Texan middle class. He and his
family worked for the US Scouts, of whom he became the National President (2010-12).
Culturally close to England, he did not hesitate, when he became President of the
mega-multinational Exxon-Mobil (2006-16), not only to wage a politically correct campaign
favouring the acceptance of young gays into the Scouts, but also to recruit mercenaries in
British Guiana. He is said to be a member of the Pilgrims Society, the most prestigious of
Anglo-US clubs, presided by Queen Elizabeth II, a number of whose members were part of the
Obama administration.
During his functions as Secretary of State, the quality of his education provided a bond
for Donald Trump, considered by US high society to be a buffoon. He was in disagreement with
his President on three major subjects which allow us to define the ideology of the
conspirators -
Like London and the US deep state, he thought it would be useful to diabolise Russia in
order to consolidate the power of the Anglo-Saxons in the Western camp ;
Like London, he thought that in order to maintain Western colonialism in the Middle East, it
was necessary to favour Iranian President Cheikh Rohani against the Supreme Leader of the
Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Khamenei. He therefore supported the 5+1 agreement.
Like the US deep state, he considered that the swing of North Korea towards the United
States should remain secret, and be used to justify a military deployment which would be
directed in reality against the People's Repubic of China. He was therefore in favor of
official talks with Pyongyang, but opposed to a meeting between the two heads of
state.
While Washington was still in shock, Theresa May spoke once again before the House of
Commons to develop her accusation, while all around the world, British diplomats spoke to
numerous inter-governmental organisations in order to broadcast the message. Responding
to the Prime Minister, Blairist deputy Chris Leslie qualified Russia as a rogue state and
demanded its suspension from the UN Security Council. Theresa May agreed to examine the
question, but stressed that the outcome could only be decided by the General Assembly in
order to avoid the Russian veto.
The North Atlantic Council (NATO) met in Brussels at the request of the United Kingdom.
The 29 member states drew a link between the use of chemical weapons in Syria and the attack
in Salisbury. They then decided that Russia was " probably " responsible for these two
events.
In New York, the permanent representative of Russia, Vasily Nebenzya, proposed to the
members of the Security Council that they adopt a declaration attesting to their common will
to shed light on the attack in Salisbury and handing over the enquiry to the OPCW in the
respect of international procedures. But the United Kingdom refused any text which did not
contain the expression that Russia was " probably responsible " for the attack.
During the public debate which followed, UK chargé d'affaire Jonathan Allen
represented his country. He is an agent of MI6 who created the British War Propaganda Service
and gives active support to the jihadists in Syria. He declared -- " Russia has already
interfered in the affairs of other countries, Russia has already violated international law
in Ukraine, Russia has comtempt for civilian life, as witnessed by the attack on a commercial
aircraft over Ukraine by Russian mercenaries, Russia protects the use of chemical weapons by
Assad ( ) The Russian state is responsible for this attempted murder ". The permanent
representative for France, François Delattre, who, by virtue of a derogation by
President Sarkozy, was trained at the US State Department, noted that his country had
launched an initiative to end the impunity of those who use chemical weapons. He implied that
the initiative, originally directed at Syria, could also be turned against Russia.
Russian ambassador Vasily Nebenzya pointed out that the session had been convened at
London's request, but that it is public at Moscow's request. He observed that the United
Kingdom is violating international law by treating this subject at the Security Council while
keeping the OPCW out of its enquiry. He noted that if London had been able to identify the "
Novotchik ", it's because it has the formula and can therefore make its own. He noted
Russia's desire to collaborate with the OPCW in the respect for international
procedures.
The United Kingdom published a common declaration which had been cosigned the night before
by France and Germany, as well as Rex Tillerson, who at that moment was still US Secretary of
State. The text reiterated British suspicions. It denounced the use of " a neurotoxic agent
of military quality, and of a type developed by Russia ", and affirmed that it was " highly
probable that Russia is responsible for the attack ".
The Washington Post published an op-ed piece by Boris Johnson, while the US
Secretary of the Treasury, Steven Mnuchin, established new sanctions against Russia. These
are not connected to the current affair, but to allegations of interference in US public
life. The decree nonetheless mentions the attack in Salisbury as proof of the underhand
methods of Russia.
Throughout its long history, England has never hesitated to lie and
betray its oath in order to defend its interests. This is how it earned its French nickname
of " perfide Albion " (after the Latin name for England)
British Secretary for Defence, the young Gavin Williamson, declared that after the
expulsion of its diplomats, Russia should " shut up and go away " (sic). This is the first
time since the end of the Second World War that a representative of a permanent member state
of the Security Council has employed such a vocabulary in the face of another member of the
Council. Sergueï Lavrov commented -- " He's a charming young man. He must want to ensure
his place in History, by making shock declarations [...] Perhaps he lacks education ".
In the space of four days, the United Kingdom and its allies have laid the premises of a new
division of the world, a Cold War.
However, Syria is not Iraq and the UNO is not the G8 (from which Russia has been excluded
because of its adhesion to Crimea and its support of Syria). The United States are not going to
destroy Damascus, and Russia will not be excluded from the Security Council. After having
resigned from the European Union, then having refused to sign the Chinese declaration about the
Silk Road, the United Kingdom thought to improve its stature by eliminating a competitor. By
this piece of dirty work, it imagined that it would acquire a new dimension and become the "
Global Britain " announced by Madame May. But it is destroying its own credibility.
Yesterday were the Dutch municipal elections. The losers were the governing parties at
national level. Winners the local parties. Trust in 'elite' politicians is diminishing
further.
We yesterday also had our last referendum, the referendum law no longer exists. As with
all previous referenda, we voted against government policy, this time the law that gives
secret services the legal right to spy on anyone.
As with all referenda, our vote will not have any effect, as when in 2005 we voted against
the EU, and two years ago against the EU Ukraine association treaty.
Nevertheless, democracy functions. As I wrote, local parties are the winners, winners
also are national anti establishment parties, despite the demonizing of these populists, that
represent the opinions of a significant portion of the population.
As Belgium and Germany, governing our country becomes more and more difficult. The
country seems to be more and more divided between those who trust the government, and those
with deep distrust.
Two of the worst American false flags are responsible for the killing in North Korea and
Vietnam. The killing of it's own people is not a moral dilemma for the Deep State.
Meyssan has often voiced the opinion that Trump & Putin have an understanding. We can't,
and will probably never know the truth of this opinion, but when one watches their body
language and behaviour together such as was openly displayed at the APEC summit in Vietnam,
one sees that they are very comfortable with each other.
One of the things that the Kremlin understands is that the US, and specifically its
foreign policy determinations, is rat's nest of various vested and/or rogue interests pulling
in their various directions, and that by virtue of Washington's chaotic politics much of what
seems to be foreign policy is executed without the knowledge, much less control of the
President, or even the State & Defence Departments.
The reality is that both Russia and China want (for different reasons) a healthy USA to
sit at a newly constituted round table of Great Powers. There are factions within the
US that agree with them, and that the road to Global Hegemony is a dead end. Trump's election
has opened a window of opportunity to allow the US to de-throttle, and even back away from
that goal should those factions gain the upper hand. From what we see, they are making
progress.
There's still a political battle royal ahead for them, but there's also factions within
the US' allies whose fortunes will take a turn for the worse should they succeed. They will
naturally ally with those in the US who's goal is Empire. As it is, with current developments
in DC, and the Syrian gambit backfiring, said factions are panicking and it should surprise
no-one to see ill-conceived and executed attempts to reverse their fortunes.
I think the Skripal case is a textbook example of just that kind of thing happening. A
farcical caricature of a false flag operation gone awry, and no plausible narrative in
sight.
That the once great UK is reduced to 3 blind mice standing in for Ministers of what are
normally a nation's 3 most powerful ministries shows just how far from its moorings the West
has drifted. One is almost embarrassed for them as they thrash around.
Saker posted a video on his site of a meeting called by the Kremlin of all ambassadors.
It's astonishing, frankly.
MAY-DAY, MAY-DAY don't write checks with insufficient funds on hand, May, America doesn't
need the UK pimping a war with Russia, we can't pay for the ones with have now!
You are in a tiny bubble, and just because your small, smart sample seems "woke," don't
imagine IQ is any barometer for resistance to group-think and propaganda.
Furthermore, don't assume that humans, high IQ or otherwise, are capable of extrapolation.
My lunch group was composed of Christian activists who have [each] spent decades advocating
for Palestinians. They are intimately aware of how propaganda has biased Americans for
Israel. They have seen the film, Occupation of the American Mind . They know that only
by persistent clever marketing, the Zionists sold the fraudulent "noble little Israel"
myth.
And yet, they accept unquestioningly the MSM fake news about ANY OTHER SUBJECT. I find
this particularly galling, but I believe it's a form of denial they use because the cognitive
dissonance would be just too much to bear.
Alas, I stayed with USA friends, well educated middle class, where CNN was the only
'news' source.
Three other USA acquaintances I visited in their homes, cannot remember having seen a
newspaper other than a local one about marriages and funerals.
The USA reminded me of the Peking court, that, when British warships were reported on
the coast, responded with 'there had been so many pirates already'.
In the Badlands, in a very small café, I identified myself as Dutch, from
Holland, Netherlands. When all this did not ring bell I mentioned Europe, the first time in
my life. This was understood.
Jilles, maybe your American friends are simply ignorant and easily fooled. That is the
type of people who make CNN their sole source of news. This doesn't make them average
Americans, just CNN fans.
If I came to visit a friend in Holland, and based my opinion of all Nederlanders on that
friend and three others like him that I met while there, would you agree with me if I said
that the average person in the Netherlands thought like my friend and his three friends?
As such Russia still gravitates towards "a strong man" style of leadership.
Ironically it was the US and its ((advisers)) that first handed all of the Russian wealth
over to the ((oligarchs)), and then, later, supported Yeltsin when he illegally dissolved the
Rada and arrested their leaders (generally known as the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis)
(they had also supported him earlier, back when he was only President of the Russian Soviet
Socialist Republic and Gorbachev was head honcho, when Yeltsin sent tanks to bomb the
Rada/Parliament, during the so-called "August coup"). As a result, so that "their man" had
all the authority he needed to crush any dissent, the US and "West" fully supported the
"authoritarian" Constitution adopted later that year to cement Yeltsin's powers.
But of course now they blame Putin and the "Russian character" for it. Because, you know,
that is how the "West" rolls.
taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed
Yes and that is why there is not one country, aside perhaps from Switzerland, that is even
remotely democratic. The US is an utter oligarchic tyranny. Some other countries in Europe
may have some minimal claim at a semblance of democracy but it all collapses under closer
scrutiny. Heck many European countries still have their monarchies, including, probably in
the most extreme form, the UK.
Russia has yet to untangle some several hundred years of central authority style
leadership and taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed.
This is such a cliche phrase. Could you specify where exactly do you see stellar examples
of "democratic principles" ? In the UK with its unelected upper chamber of the parliament and
the Prime Minister, also not elected directly by the citizens? In the US, with its two-party
system in indirect elections? In Australis, with its compulsory voting?
Today's Russia is as democratic as any Western country, more so than some. Whatever
peculiarities our political system has is due to our history, the same as in any other
country. The same as in the UK, with their "constitutional" monarchy in the absence of actual
constitution. The same as in the US, with their voting system designed by Founding Fathers.
Russia is large and divers; some centralized authority is needed to keep it together
structurally and mentally, that is all.
The whining is coming for the land of Bush the lesser, Cheney five deferments, Rice
mushroom cloud, Chicago-style elections, and the Lobby strict censorship over the US Congress
(only Israel-firsters are allowed). Wouldn't it be great if the US first punish her own
criminals, including banksters and dual-citizenship spies? Four million civilians --
including a multitude of children -- were slaughtered in the Middle East since 1999 to
satisfy the desires of Israel-firsters, MIC, and oilmen. And yet, the major war criminals who
pushed for the wars of aggression (a supreme crime) are wondering free: from Bush and Kristol
to Clinton and Powers
Comment section: " all these statements by Votel are true and it took a good deal of
courage to make them in public." -- Get it? Just stating truthfully that Syria has won a
civil war is an anathema to the Lobby and it takes a great personal courage by a four-star
general in the United States Army who has been commander of United States Central Command to
testify the truth for the US Congress.
Russian Federation is an independent state. The US is ZUSA -- Ziocon United States of
America. Ukraine has become the Kaganat of Nuland, and the UK has become a personal estate of
the Friends of Israel. For example, Boris Johnson proclaimed himself a committed Zionist:
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/boris-johnson-zionist/
" As far as we all know now are quite hard times to Russia and to the world as a whole.
"
Why do we have these hard times ?
Could it be globalisation, western greed, and western aggression ?
Well, probably it can be more clear for those who are attacking and humiliating Russia in
all directions? The West-ZUS-UK
But I think it's just an agony of Empire seeing the world order is about to change. And
yes it's "western greed" which have a "western aggression" as a consequence.
The "globalisation" actually IS that world order which the West trying to
establish. Russia in all times in all its internal structure was a subject of annexation and
submission. But we never agreed and never will do it, until alive. The West is too stupid to
get that simple thing to know and leave us to live as we are about to.
Aside from the obvious legalized bribery (Citizens United), the absolute control of the
corrupt 2-party system, the oligarchic and utterly undemocratic mass media, etc., we also had
the case in 2000 that a bunch of unelected dictators-for-life "decided" the US election,
clearly unlawfully. Bush vs. Gore.
Yes, US is in no position to be lecturing anybody about "democracy". But US is not short
on chutzpah in any political realm.
If elections resulted in real change, Yankees wouldn't have them. All theater for the
zombies, aka the voting class. Only zombies would argue over the merits of the candidates.
The US needs very little from its citizens. These includes obedience, widespread ignorance
and the unquestioned belief they live in a Democracy because voting happens.
The best slaves are the ones that lack the intelligence to recognize their own slavery.
The happiest slaves know that voting is a rigged sham but don't care because the right master
leads them.
Now, that I believe. Due to dismal school system (purely parochial, no national standards,
local boards full of ignoramuses decide what kids are taught in school) too many Americans
sincerely believe that the world consists of three roughly equal parts: Main street,
out-of-town, and overseas. I guess the election results in the last few decades show this
clearly.
Alas, I stayed with USA friends, well educated middle class, where CNN was the only 'news'
source.
Three other USA acquaintances I visited in their homes, cannot remember having seen a
newspaper other than a local one about marriages and funerals.
The USA reminded me of the Peking court, that, when British warships were reported on the
coast, responded with 'there had been so many pirates already'.
In the Badlands, in a very small café, I identified myself as Dutch, from Holland,
Netherlands. When all this did not ring bell I mentioned Europe, the first time in my life.
This was understood.
Anon from TN
Maybe I overestimate American citizens (I work at a top-rate University and communicate
mostly with faculty and grad students), but I'd like to come to their defense. CNN (as well
as FOX news, NYT, and other MSM) represent the views of the lower half of US citizens by IQ.
As far as I can tell, blatant lies of Western propaganda achieved among the people with
brains the same result as the Soviet propaganda: even if they state something truthful for a
change, people would doubt that.
You're truly delusional if you think CNN does NOT represent average American thinking, at
least a large paart of it. Last week I suffered through a luncheon of 5 mature adults
extolling Rachel Maddow. Sickening.
March 20 marks a major anniversary. You'd be forgiven for not knowing it. Fifteen years
after we invaded Iraq, few in the US are addressing our legacy there. But it's worth recalling
we shattered that country.
We made it a terrorist hotspot, as expected. US and British intelligence, in the months
preceding the invasion, expected Bush's planned assault would invigorate Al-Qaeda. The group "
would see an opportunity
to accelerate its operational tempo and increase terrorist attacks," particularly "
in the US and UK ," assessments warned. Due course for the War on Terror.
Follow-up reports confirmed these predictions. "The Iraq conflict has become the 'cause
celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and
cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement," Washington analysts explained in
2006.
Fawaz Gerges
lists two groups this milieu produced: Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), "a creature of the 2003
US-led invasion," and ISIS, "an extension of AQI."
There were good reasons for anyone -- not just jihadists -- to resent US involvement.
Consider sectarianism. "The most serious sectarian and ethnic tensions in Iraq's modern history
followed the 2003 US-led occupation," Sami Ramadani affirmed .
Nabil Al-Tikriti concurs , citing US
policies that "led to a progressive, incessant increase in sectarian tensions." The Shia death
squads "
organized by U.S. operatives" were one such decision.
The extent to which these squads succeeded is, in part, what scholars debate when they tally
the war deaths. Low estimates, like Iraq Body Count's, put civilians killed at just over 200,000. One research
team determined
some "half million deaths in Iraq could be attributable to the war." Physicians for Social
Responsibility concluded "that the war has, directly or
indirectly, killed around 1 million people in Iraq," plus 300,000 more in Afghanistan and
Pakistan.
Iraqis surviving the inferno confronted a range of nightmares. The UN " reported that over 4.4
million Iraqis were internally displaced, and an additional 264,100 were refugees abroad," for
example. US forces dealt with Iraqi prisoners -- 70-90% of whom were " arrested by
mistake " -- by "arranging naked detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;" "breaking
chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;" and "forcing groups of male
detainees to masturbate themselves," to list some of the ways we imparted , with the approval of top
Bush administration officials, democratic principles.
Then there are the generations of future Iraqis in bomb-battered cities: Fallujah, Basra. In
the former, "the reported increases in cancer and infant
mortality are alarmingly high" -- perhaps "
worse than Hiroshima " -- while "birth defects reached in 2010 unprecedented
numbers." In the same vein, "a pattern of increase in congenital birth defects" plagues Basra, and
"many suspect that pollution created by the bombardment of Iraqi cities has caused the current
birth defect crisis in that country."
This bombardment began decades before 2003, it's crucial to clarify. We can recall UN
Under-Secretary-General Martti Ahtisaari's mission to Baghdad after Operation Desert Storm. He
and his team were familiar with the literature on the bombings, he wrote in March 1991, "fully
conversant with media reports regarding the situation in Iraq," but realized upon arrival "that
nothing that we had seen or read had quite prepared us for the particular form of devastation"
-- "near-apocalyptic" -- "which has now befallen the country," condemning it "to a
pre-industrial age" for the foreseeable future. This was the scale of ruin when the UN Security
Council imposed sanctions. The measures were "at every turn
shaped by the United States," whose "consistent
policy " was "to inflict the most extreme economic damage possible on Iraq."
The policy was, in this respect, a ripping success. The UN estimated
in 1995 that the sanctions had murdered over a half-million children -- " worth it ," Madeleine Albright said --
one factor prompting two successive UN Humanitarian Coordinators in Iraq to resign. Denis
Halliday
thought the sanctions "criminally flawed and genocidal;" Hans von Sponeck
agreed , citing evidence of "conscious violation of human rights and humanitarian law on
the part of governments represented in the Security Council, first and foremost those of the
United States and the United Kingdom."
Eliminating hundreds of thousands of starving children was just the prequel to the
occupation -- "the biggest cultural disaster since the descendants of Genghis Khan destroyed
Baghdad in 1258," in one writer's judgment
. But try to find more than a handful of commentators reflecting on any of these issues on this
dark anniversary. Instead, silence shows the deep US capacity for forgetting.
Nick Alexandrov lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He can be reached at: [email protected]
"... . Mirzoyanov as a source of leakage was identified immediately. In the 1990, he was removed from all real work, through he remained a conduit of disinformation. In 1992, he revealed himself voluntarily by publishing the well-known article. From that moment, the Novichok attracted media interests. In the 1995, NYT wrote about the "new Russian super-weapon". ..."
"... What actually happened in Salisbury is unclear; nor the behavior of the poisoned, nor the actions of the police, doctors, special services do not add up to the whole picture. More or less plausible is the poisoning with a synthetic neurotoxin, similar to the toxin of fugu fish. ..."
"... Brief summary: "Novichok" is not the name of the CW, but the code of the KGB operation carried out to identify the mole (the information leakage channel), as well as the supply of disinformation. ..."
This brief note by Andrey Lazarchuk has been published in the social networks. It is
interesting, and it agrees with revealed facts. Whether it is true or not – remains to
be seen. Here is his text in verbatim translation:
Do not ask for the source of the information, I will not give it up. Everything written
below is very different from what you can find on the web.
1. Already in the early 1980s, the Soviet Army ceased to treat CW (Chemical Weapons) as a
weapon that could be used in real war conditions: approximately in 1983-84 it was decided to
cease CW supplies to the army, reduce operational reserves and take out CW from the troops to
long-term storage warehouses and landfills for destruction. At the same time and until 1996,
there were no new CW products supplied to the army, neither new instructions for use and
protection.
2. Mirzoyanov, majoring in chemistry and analytics, never worked at theoretical
developments or practical synthesis. All 1980s he worked in the administration (First
Department).
3. In the second half of the 1980s, the KGB carried out a large-scale operation to
dis-inform the enemy, which also had the side-line task of identifying information leakage
channels. Twenty "fake" but very detailed projects were developed for "a new chemical
super-weapon that is not detected by existing NATO detectors and from which there is no
protection" (NOVA with indices, "Novichok" with indices, ASD and others). The Novichok passed
through the hands of Mirzoyanov.
4. The factory-laboratory in Kantyubek in the late 70′s was re-profiled from the
creation and testing of CW and BW for the production and testing of herbicides and defoliants
– mainly for the needs of the cotton industry.
5. Mirzoyanov as a source of leakage was identified immediately. In the 1990, he was
removed from all real work, through he remained a conduit of disinformation. In 1992, he
revealed himself voluntarily by publishing the well-known article. From that moment, the
Novichok attracted media interests. In the 1995, NYT wrote about the "new Russian
super-weapon".
6. NATO had spent more than $ 10 billion on defence against this fake weapon.
7. What actually happened in Salisbury is unclear; nor the behavior of the poisoned, nor
the actions of the police, doctors, special services do not add up to the whole picture. More
or less plausible is the poisoning with a synthetic neurotoxin, similar to the toxin of fugu
fish.
Brief summary: "Novichok" is not the name of the CW, but the code of the KGB operation
carried out to identify the mole (the information leakage channel), as well as the supply of
disinformation.
"... It parallels 9/11, whereby contradictory evidence has been 'pushed.' The targets seem to be two, 1) the proles [as usual] and 2) Putin/Russia [danger, nukes!] ..."
"... But (1) makes no sense; as no Iraqi WMDs showed, a) the CCC [= covert criminal cabal] went ahead anyway, telling the proles: "Bite your bum!" The proles are powerless passengers, and voting is futile anyway since x = y. ..."
"... And (2) should have *no* effect at all; Putin was always going to be and has now been re-elected, and from Crimea, E.Ukr and especially Syria, Russia appears to have the rogue-regimes' measure. A proof = refugees now streaming out of Ghouta into [comparative] freedom, say. ..."
"... Let us posit some 3rd party, whose name some dare not mention? "Do what we say and nobody gets hurt" seems to have lost its oomph and 'smartest crims on the planet' looks definitely jaded. Confounded by inconvenient reality, perhaps? ..."
So if the Mossad did it on British soil, you can bet your last penny that both the CIA
and MI5/6 not only knew before hand but participated in the details
It's a publicity stunt; recall Bernays' "torches of freedom." It parallels 9/11,
whereby contradictory evidence has been 'pushed.' The targets seem to be two, 1) the proles
[as usual] and 2) Putin/Russia [danger, nukes!]
But (1) makes no sense; as no Iraqi WMDs showed, a) the CCC [= covert criminal cabal]
went ahead anyway, telling the proles: "Bite your bum!" The proles are powerless passengers,
and voting is futile anyway since x = y.
And (2) should have *no* effect at all; Putin was always going to be and has now been
re-elected, and from Crimea, E.Ukr and especially Syria, Russia appears to have the
rogue-regimes' measure. A proof = refugees now streaming out of Ghouta into [comparative]
freedom, say.
So, given the apparently threadbare psyop, a) with what purpose, and b) cui bono?
Especially (b), UK could end up with a very bad case of 'egg all over its face.'
Let us posit some 3rd party, whose name some dare not mention? "Do what we say and
nobody gets hurt" seems to have lost its oomph and 'smartest crims on the planet' looks
definitely jaded. Confounded by inconvenient reality, perhaps?
When it comes to choosing between a conspiracy and a stuff-up? Well, here we seem to have
both. In spades. *OR* : We haven't seen the 'surprise' ending yet?
There is absolutely nothing totally duplicitous, nothing evil, that British secret service
(meaning both MI5 and MI6) will not do, and in fact has not done.
The British Empire operated as something at least akin to utterly amoral. It saw itself as
beyond good and evil in any historic sense. As it was born of rebellion against Christendom,
that not only makes sense but also was all but inevitable.
Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy will produce culture that
is pro-Jewish specifically and more generally will reflect ways of doing and being and
thinking, ways of defining morality, that are in step with the Talmud. And that may be summed
as: amoral will to power based on faith that one's group is the superior race/nation that
should rule the world by any means necessary.
The British Empire did not die in any sense. The British Empire's direct rule simply moved
to DC and NYC. America is now the chief operating officer of the British Empire. WASP culture
and its rather unique form of amoral imperialism still rules the world and intends to crush
every opposition into dust – for the uplifting of poor brown and black brothers and
sisters, and for freedom for all, and other selfless good works.
Who poisoned the hapless idiot Russian double agent and his daughter? In general, some
part of the British secret service, which includes the CIA and the Mossad and the Saudi
General Intelligence Presidency.
"... May accusations implies that the British authorities have both a control sample (to determine if the quantities found would
be lethal) and samples from a few different labs to confirm that the fingerprint was from lab A not lab B for example. How did they
got those ? ..."
"... Also from scant information available suggests that the most plausible hypothesis is a false flag operation which probably
proceeded in two steps (with the first step not necessary accomplished by those who run the second step; it can be two different groups).
..."
"... There is certainly a reasonable list of suspects, most more credible than the Russian state. Perhaps one can also separate
out the crime in to two parts, those who committed it, and those who have sought to exploit it. ..."
May and Johnson are probably examples of the level of the degeneration of British elite.
May accusations implies that the British authorities have both a control sample (to determine if the quantities found would
be lethal) and samples from a few different labs to confirm that the fingerprint was from lab A not lab B for example. How did
they got those ?
Also from scant information available suggests that the most plausible hypothesis is a false flag operation which probably
proceeded in two steps (with the first step not necessary accomplished by those who run the second step; it can be two different
groups).
First some poison like Fentanyl was mixed into food or drinks or taken by Skripals themselves either as masked as some other
medication, or as a part of narcoaddict fix. Fentanyl is known for previous use in assassinations. It killed more than 21K people
in the USA in 2016
On the second stage, which occurred when Skripals were already hospitalized nerve agent was planted in several places, including
home and the police investigator became the first victim. Poisoning of "opponent of the regime" provides ideal conditions for
a false flag operation as the cloud of secrecy can be used to subvert the investigation and pursue the agenda with the complete
impunity. The government can essentially decree the "truth" in such cases. It also provides tremendous propaganda effect.
And British are not shy from experimenting on humans with poison gases either. It took 50 years for Porton Down chemical research
centre to come clean on poisoning a British soldier with Sarin telling him it was a flu test. Poor fella.
The first step can also be plot by some group connected with William Browder of Magnitsky death fame (
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25190975 ), Berezovsky
associates or some other "Russian mafia in London" groups. The fact that Skripal has such an expensive car suggests that he was
participating in some business dealings, probably as a part of some London-based exiles group. UK government is not know for extreme
generosity toward such people as Skripal.
The question arise why the UK government went this path. It well might be the USA pressure (like in case of Iraq invasion)
or internal considerations that such step will be beneficial to the May government survival. Or both.
My impression is that his is just a first (and somewhat clumsy executed) step in multi step gambit in which Scripals were just
sacrificial lamps. Pawns is a bigger game.
The next steps might be related to Would Cup and/or confiscation of assets of Russian oligarchs in London to put pressure on
Putin and possibly initiate with their hands a "regime change" in Russia.
Available timelines suggest that initial poisoning took around half an hour to incapacitate them, which is not typical for
a nerve gas.
CCTV footage shows them walking around 3:47 p.m. 16:15 GMT: emergency services received the first report of an incident ??:??
Police found the pair on a bench outside Zizzi in an "extremely serious condition"
If we assume that they were poisoned at Zizzi with fentanyl or something similar they survived for more then an hour, which
is not atypical in cases of narcotics overdose. Moreover Scripal lost emotional control at the restaurant which also happens when
a narcoaddict wants to take his fix and can't. That does not explain why the daughter was also affected, though.
Only this sequence of events can explain what the doctor who treated the daughter for 30 min and first responders suffered
no consequences.
The "Doctor" who, so the BBC reported, "asked not to be named" is surely a prime suspect. Not only was she the only person
known to be in the vicinity of the Skripals closest to the time they were poisoned, but she was aksi the person best able to have
planted nerve agent contamination where the Skripals were allegedly incapacitated.
As for the Skripals, who have disappeared from view and to whom the daughter has been denied contact by a Russian embassy representative,
perhaps they are already settling into new identities, their old selves eventually to be declared dead, despite heroic efforts
by, um, well we're not sure who, since no one subjected to a nerve agent was admitted as a patient by the local hospital.
There is certainly a reasonable list of suspects, most more credible than the Russian state. Perhaps one can also separate
out the crime in to two parts, those who committed it, and those who have sought to exploit it.
The "hate for Trump" by the establishment, is a total canard.
Trump is OWNED by the same Zionist mafia filth that own May, which is the same Zionists
that own the media in America and Britain.
As when Obama (also a Zionist puppet, mainly because Obama was a coward, unlike Trump
who has been groomed to be a zionist puppet) was in office, he was provided a FAKE conflict
with the "birthers". American politics are all about subterfuge, distraction, divide and
conquer.
The so called "attacks on Trump", are simply meant to drive the right to support him,
precisely the way the "attacks on Obama", drove the left to ignore Obama's neocon ways, and
defend him.
England is run by the Zionists, Washington is run by the Zionists, Wall Street IS
Zionist, as it the media and the entire entertainment industry, as well as the "social
Media", Trump is from Jew York City, owes his fortune to Jewish Bankers, and yet, so many
buy this ridiculous narrative of Trump, the anti establishment warrior, a meme that is
ludicrous.
So, instead of discussing Trump's lies about border enforcement, his lies about leaving
Syria, his lies about rebuilding infrastructure, he are distracted with lies about "sexual
harassment", and "Russia Gate"...and sadly many buy right into it.
" [...] The so called "attacks on Trump", are simply meant to drive the right to support
him, precisely the way the "attacks on Obama", drove the left to ignore Obama's neocon ways,
and defend him. [...]"
Exactly. Orange Clown's whole campaign was a calculated "bait and switch" scam from the
beginning, IMO.
I believe that Orange Clown is a "deep cover" or "sleeper" agent that's been groomed and
"waiting in the wings" for his masters' beck and call. And the call came at the end of the
Obama administration, with the agenda not only stalled but exposed like never before; with
Russia and China rising; and the U.S. falling behind. As I see it, the political ascendancy
of Orange Clown is a sign of his masters' increasing desperation.
I believe that Orange Clown's mission – as puppet president of last resort –
is to present (apparently by way of a series of reckless provocations) ultimatum to Russia
and China: "either cede your sovereignty to the empire and start taking orders, or it's war"
or something like that.
And I believe the relocation of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem was intended to show the
world (in case there's any doubt) just who it is that's calling the shots here and running
everything in the U.S. (IOW they're taking off the mask as they demand surrender).
Some people woke up when Orange Clown attacked the Syrian airbase with cruise missiles,
but unfortunately it seems there are still many people who absolutely refuse to accept that
Orange Clown is a fraud, no matter what he does (or fails to do). Paul Craig Roberts is an
example of someone who should know better, but who continues to imply that Orange Clown is
just a helpless "babe in the woods"; a nice guy in a bad situation.
Probably Brits. Maybe Benyammerin? Certainly US thug state aware. Most likely the 3 Axis
of Evil members conspired. Fellow was expendable. Daughter murdered for shock value.
Judaized West not ethical not moral.
Any way this event only helped Pres Putin. And 1500 international observers certify legit.
US will need 1500 for NYC alone in 2020 to prevent Demos from stealing.
"... Mirzoyanov, majoring in chemistry and analytics, never worked at theoretical developments or practical synthesis. All 1980s he worked in the administration (First Department). ..."
"... Mirzoyanov as a source of leakage was identified immediately. In the 1990, he was removed from all real work, through he remained a conduit of disinformation. In 1992, he revealed himself voluntarily by publishing the well-known article. From that moment, the Novichok attracted media interests. In the 1995, NYT wrote about the "new Russian super-weapon". ..."
"... What actually happened in Salisbury is unclear; nor the behavior of the poisoned, nor the actions of the police, doctors, special services do not add up to the whole picture. More or less plausible is the poisoning with a synthetic neurotoxin, similar to the toxin of fugu fish ..."
"... Brief summary: "Novichok" is not the name of the CW, but the code of the KGB operation carried out to identify the mole (the information leakage channel), as well as the supply of disinformation. ..."
The Salisbury poisoning played an important role in the Russian elections. Practically all
Russian publications expressed indignation and didn't propose any explanation. This brief note
by Andrey Lazarchuk has been published in the social networks. It is interesting, and it agrees
with revealed facts. Whether it is true or not – remains to be seen. Here is his text in
verbatim translation:
Do not ask for the source of the information, I will not give it up. Everything written
below is very different from what you can find on the web.
1. Already in the early 1980s, the Soviet Army ceased to treat CW (Chemical Weapons) as a
weapon that could be used in real war conditions: approximately in 1983-84 it was decided to
cease CW supplies to the army, reduce operational reserves and take out CW from the troops to
long-term storage warehouses and landfills for destruction. At the same time and until 1996,
there were no new CW products supplied to the army, neither new instructions for use and
protection.
2. Mirzoyanov, majoring in chemistry and analytics, never worked at theoretical
developments or practical synthesis. All 1980s he worked in the administration (First
Department).
3. In the second half of the 1980s, the KGB carried out a large-scale operation to
dis-inform the enemy, which also had the side-line task of identifying information leakage
channels. Twenty "fake" but very detailed projects were developed for "a new chemical
super-weapon that is not detected by existing NATO detectors and from which there is no
protection" (NOVA with indices, "Novichok" with indices, ASD and others). The Novichok passed
through the hands of Mirzoyanov.
4. The factory-laboratory in Kantyubek in the late 70′s was re-profiled from the
creation and testing of CW and BW for the production and testing of herbicides and defoliants
– mainly for the needs of the cotton industry.
5. Mirzoyanov as a source of leakage was identified immediately. In the 1990, he was
removed from all real work, through he remained a conduit of disinformation. In 1992, he
revealed himself voluntarily by publishing the well-known article. From that moment, the
Novichok attracted media interests. In the 1995, NYT wrote about the "new Russian
super-weapon".
6. NATO had spent more than $ 10 billion on defence against this fake weapon.
7. What actually happened in Salisbury is unclear; nor the behavior of the poisoned,
nor the actions of the police, doctors, special services do not add up to the whole picture.
More or less plausible is the poisoning with a synthetic neurotoxin, similar to the toxin of
fugu fish .
Brief summary: "Novichok" is not the name of the CW, but the code of the KGB operation
carried out to identify the mole (the information leakage channel), as well as the supply of
disinformation.
Of course, like most articles about Putin, no evidence is provided.
I'm sick of fake news. I'm sick of the constant barrage of claims with no evidence. I
don't care who makes them. If you want people to pay any attention, provide evidence.
Otherwise, I might as well waste my time watching CNN.
The plausibility of the doping charges disappeared when, at a time when Russian athletes
were under extreme scrutiny in the Winter Olympics, they were accused of doping in the curling
and bobsleigh events. At that point credibility of the charges flew out of the window.
Good God. How disgusting. You're suggesting that the plebeian mass of ignorant white trash
calling themselves the British nation should actually rule themselves by way of a
democratically elected parliament, their national loyalty centered on a constitutional
monarch who is head of the English national Christian church.
Good God, the first thing that scum would do is vote to send the immigrants home,
beginning with the mayor of London, followed by the rape gangs of Rotherham and
elsewhere.
Fortunately, that can never happen. The media and the K-to-middle-aged education system
tell the people how to despise themselves and their natural inclination to self-preservation,
while the political machines tell the people who they can have to represent them. Thus, the
so-called parliamentary representatives of the people are not representatives of the people
in government, but representative of government to the people. Propagandist, that is, i.e.,
traitors.
"... Just like MH17, or the alleged (but fake) poison gas attacks in Syria, the policy has been to launch an initial barrage of accusations completely unsupported by the slightest shred of evidence – and then drop the matter abruptly, leaving the public with a strong impression of "Russian wickedness" although nothing has actually been proved. ..."
"... Skripal and daughter cheap, convenient, collateral damage for the warmongers. A person trained to handle organic nerve material introduces it into Skripal's car, they go for a morning drive and stop to have a pizza. After pizza, they begin to feel a little queasy. Go sit on a park bench. A passing citizen sees them, calls for medical assistance. Doctor says probably poisoned by toxic agent. Doctor knows it was not highly refined military grade. ..."
"... Car is lifted by straps so as not poison others and hauled to Potent Downs or whatever the Nerve Agent Factory is called. Now it can be doctored to fit the crime and I don't mean the Russians. How am I doing? Got a better tale? ..."
"... Now, I do understand that you – and most Brits – think that you are special. That there is one set of rules for you, and another for the ' others '. You have been conditioned by propaganda to assert this without any shame and to demonise Russia based on decades of half-witted stories (most taken out of context and exaggerated). Why would anyone take you seriously? ..."
"... People who walk around saying that they are exceptional, meaning they are 'Gods', or that they talk 'to God', are generally ignored or kept in an institution. Claiming that you are 'exceptional and special' is the same as claiming that you are divine – that's what it has meant historically. ..."
"Sir, Further to your report ("Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment", TIMES Mar
14)' may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in
Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several
people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None
has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have
shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent
involved."
Stephen Davies. Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust.
Meanwhile, a doctor who was one of the first people at the scene has described how
she found Ms Skripal..She said she treated her for almost 30 minutes, saying "there was no
sign of any chemical agent on Ms Skripals face or body."
The woman, who asked not to be named, told the NNC she moved Ms Skripal into the recovery
position and opened her airway, as others tended to her father.
she said she treated her for almost 30 minutes, saying there was no sign of any chemical
agent on Ms Skripal's face or body.
The doctor said she had been worried she would be affected by the nerve agent, hut added that
she "feels fine".
Some nerve agent.
We read that Vladimir Putin's passport was found three days later at the scene.
One wonders how the Skripals are right now. Have they recovered completely, or partially? Are
they still deathly ill? Has one or both of them died?
In any case, why have there been no public announcements of these important facts? It is
useless to cite privacy, when the government hastened to trumpet the case – and its own
dubious conclusions – as publicly as possible.
Just like MH17, or the alleged (but fake) poison gas attacks in Syria, the policy has been
to launch an initial barrage of accusations completely unsupported by the slightest shred of
evidence – and then drop the matter abruptly, leaving the public with a strong
impression of "Russian wickedness" although nothing has actually been proved.
Incidentally, I wonder where the Skripals are and why. Apparently the Russian government
applied for consular access to Yulia (who is a Russian citizen) but this was bluntly refused
– against all norms of international law and civilized behaviour.
Skripal and daughter cheap, convenient, collateral damage for the warmongers. A person
trained to handle organic nerve material introduces it into Skripal's car, they go for a
morning drive and stop to have a pizza. After pizza, they begin to feel a little queasy. Go
sit on a park bench. A passing citizen sees them, calls for medical assistance. Doctor says
probably poisoned by toxic agent. Doctor knows it was not highly refined military grade.
How does the doctor know this: He is just down the street from the British Nerve Agent
Factory and has been trained to recognize and treat real exposures to potent nerve agents. A
policeman ends up in same hospital as Skripal because he sees car parked overtime or
illegally, opens door to check for ownership gets zapped by toxic agent. Car is lifted by
straps so as not poison others and hauled to Potent Downs or whatever the Nerve Agent Factory
is called. Now it can be doctored to fit the crime and I don't mean the Russians. How am I
doing? Got a better tale?
Good, understanding that you are a joke is the first step on the road to possible
recovery.
Try for once to imagine a reverse scenario: an Englishman dies under suspicious
circumstances in a provincial town in Russia. (Or 3-4 of them over 15-20 years.) He was
considered a 'traitor' by UK for whatever reason. Immediately Russia declares that it was an
' unacceptable attack on Russia's sovereignty, that Britain did it, and that it is 'highly
likely' that Teresa May ordered it herself' . Russian government also says that they will
not disclose any details, show no evidence and will not even allow basis diplomatic protocol
for UK embassy. Why? For reasons of ' state security '. Wouldn't any rational outsider
consider that a joke?
Now, I do understand that you – and most Brits – think that you are
special. That there is one set of rules for you, and another for the ' others '. You
have been conditioned by propaganda to assert this without any shame and to demonise Russia
based on decades of half-witted stories (most taken out of context and exaggerated). Why
would anyone take you seriously?
People who walk around saying that they are exceptional, meaning they are 'Gods', or
that they talk 'to God', are generally ignored or kept in an institution. Claiming that you
are 'exceptional and special' is the same as claiming that you are divine – that's what
it has meant historically.
"... Please do not insult Britain because it does not need any other party (Ukraine, Georgia) to organize a false-flag such as this. Any reasonable person would understand that such mad rush to judgment and frantic lying by the British regime are closely related to the organizers of the poisoning. They could be one and only. ..."
"... I predicted at the start of the Skripal affair that will end up the same as the MH17 case: "truth established" without any good facts or based on secret facts, we move on. ..."
"... If somehow truth does surface, as with Iraqi WMD, then exactly the same strategy will be used by the British regime as by the US regime before: faulty intelligence and misleading (Porton Down) scientists. ..."
"... How many Porton Down scientists will be suicided a few weeks before daughters wedding, if the truth of the Russian WMD comes out, just as David Kelly regarding Iraqi WMD? ..."
"... Britain had a stronger motive to generate a major confrontation with a well-defined enemy than Theresa May, who has been under fire by the media and pressured to resign by many in her own Conservative Party. ..."
"... Really don't understand why Giraldi classifies this as "wild". Has he completely missed the numerous 'false flags' by UK initiated and financed 'White Helmets'? Every time UK/US intend to incite public outrage some 'chemical' incident was faked in Syria. ..."
"... The hate of the UK establishment for Trump is only rivaled by its hate for Russia, so MI5/6 playing May (who only a few weeks before Salisbury out of the blue ratcheted up her anti Russia rhetoric) like a fiddle was provided with what she needed. However looks like given the number of exotic deaths concentrated in the UK some MI5/6 idiot now made the mistake of more than he can fake. ..."
"... Quite astonishingly, given the lack of news coverage – At a London airport in public view, Prince Bandar apparently 'committed suicide' over a week ago, on 12 March 2018, when the UK refused entry to Bandar video said to be of Bandar jumping to his death, on YouTube ..."
"... So we have one of the best-known celebrity Saudi Arabian princes – who had threatened Russia – suddenly dead in a shocking and dramatic public 'suicide' at a London airport – yet this is 'not news' according to our overlords, tho Bandar's death and funeral prayers etc seem leading news across Muslim outlets ..."
"... Obviously we have a Western Permitted News Committee telling all major Western media outlets what is 'news', for our own good ..."
"... British media intel 'sources' have proposed different employ of the poison, from a 'hit squad' followed Yulia from Moscow, to the poison was planted in her luggage at Moscow, to the poison was introduced to Skripal's car via the ventilation system. ..."
"... When the 'backstop' lies differ so widely, it points to likelihood the British haven't a clue as to what actually happened, but the default position is 'the Russians did it' ..."
Please do not insult Britain because it does not need any other party (Ukraine, Georgia)
to organize a false-flag such as this. Any reasonable person would understand that such mad
rush to judgment and frantic lying by the British regime are closely related to the
organizers of the poisoning. They could be one and only.
I predicted at the start of the Skripal affair that will end up the same as the MH17 case:
"truth established" without any good facts or based on secret facts, we move on.
If somehow truth does surface, as with Iraqi WMD, then exactly the same strategy will be
used by the British regime as by the US regime before: faulty intelligence and misleading
(Porton Down) scientists.
How many Porton Down scientists will be suicided a few weeks before daughters wedding, if
the truth of the Russian WMD comes out, just as David Kelly regarding Iraqi WMD?
"And to throw out a really wild possibility, one might observe that no one in Britain had a
stronger motive to generate a major confrontation with a well-defined enemy than Theresa May,
who has been under fire by the media and pressured to resign by many in her own Conservative
Party."
Really don't understand why Giraldi classifies this as "wild". Has he completely missed
the numerous 'false flags' by UK initiated and financed 'White Helmets'? Every time UK/US
intend to incite public outrage some 'chemical' incident was faked in Syria.
Look 'Rusiagate' Trump dossier has UK tail waggles US dog all over it. That Russiagate has
been faltering increasingly over the last few months with recently the House Intelligence
Committee declaring there is none. So some new impetus was required. Steele is too closely
connected to MI5/6 to presume innocence on their behalf.
The hate of the UK establishment for Trump is only rivaled by its hate for Russia, so
MI5/6 playing May (who only a few weeks before Salisbury out of the blue ratcheted up her
anti Russia rhetoric) like a fiddle was provided with what she needed. However looks like
given the number of exotic deaths concentrated in the UK some MI5/6 idiot now made the
mistake of more than he can fake.
On the topic of Russia-related deaths in Britain -
Everyone knows Saudi Prince Bandar – 'Bandar Bush' thanks to his close public ties
with the George Bush family – Bandar who reportedly threatened Putin with
Saudi-sponsored terrorist attacks inside Russia Bandar has long been the perhaps best-known
Saudi prince in the world
Quite astonishingly, given the lack of news coverage – At a London airport in public
view, Prince Bandar apparently 'committed suicide' over a week ago, on 12 March 2018, when
the UK refused entry to Bandar video said to be of Bandar jumping to his death, on
YouTube
So we have one of the best-known celebrity Saudi Arabian princes – who had
threatened Russia – suddenly dead in a shocking and dramatic public 'suicide' at a
London airport – yet this is 'not news' according to our overlords, tho Bandar's death
and funeral prayers etc seem leading news across Muslim outlets
Obviously we have a Western Permitted News Committee telling all major Western media
outlets what is 'news', for our own good
British media intel 'sources' have proposed different employ of the poison, from a 'hit
squad' followed Yulia from Moscow, to the poison was planted in her luggage at Moscow, to the
poison was introduced to Skripal's car via the ventilation system.
When the 'backstop' lies differ so widely, it points to likelihood the British haven't
a clue as to what actually happened, but the default position is 'the Russians did
it'
"... After her first speech, May summoned the Russian Ambassador and demanded that he address the allegations, but Moscow reasonably enough demanded a sample of the alleged nerve agent for testing by relevant international bodies like the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons before it could even respond to the British accusations. It was a valid point even supported in Parliament questioning by opposition Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, but May and her government decided to act anyway. ..."
"... That in turn suggests a false flag, with someone having an interest in promoting a crisis between Russia and Britain. If that someone were a country having a sophisticated arms industry possessing its own chemical weapons capability, like the United States or Israel, it would be quite easy to copy the characteristics of the Russian nerve agent, particularly as its formula has been known since it was published in 1992. The agent could then be used to create an incident that would inevitably be blamed on Moscow. Why would Israel and the United States want to do that? To put pressure on Russia to embarrass it and put it on the defensive so I would be forced eventually to abandon its support for President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Removing al-Assad is the often-expressed agenda of the Israeli and American governments, both of which have pledged to take "independent action" in Syria no matter what the United Nations or any other international body says. The redoubtable Nikki Haley is already using the incident to fearmonger over Moscow's intentions at the U.N., warning that a Russian chemical attack on New York City could be coming. ..."
"... Once upon a time suggesting that a democratically elected government might assassinate someone for political reasons would have been unthinkable, but the 2016 election in the United States has demonstrated that nothing is impossible, particularly if one is considering the possibility that a secret intelligence service might be collaborating with a government to help it stay in power. An incident in which no one was actually killed that can be used to spark an international crisis mandating "strong leadership" would be just the ticket. ..."
There are a number of problems with the accepted narrative as presented by May and the
media. Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a nerve agent as "usually odorless organophosphate
(such as sarin, tabun, or VX) that disrupts the transmission of nerve impulses by inhibiting
cholinesterase and especially acetylcholinesterase and is used as a chemical weapon in gaseous
or liquid form," while Wikipedia explains that it is "a class of organic chemicals that disrupt
the mechanisms by which nerves transfer messages to organs." A little more research online
reveals that most so-called nerve agents are chemically related. So when Theresa May says that
the alleged agent used against the Skripals as being "of a type" associated with a reported
Russian-developed chemical weapon called Novichok that was produced in the 1970s and 1980s, she
is actually conceding that her own chemical weapons laboratories at Porton Down are, to a
certain, extent, guessing at the provenance and characteristics of the actual agent that might
or might not have been used in Salisbury.
Beyond that, a military strength nerve agent is, by definition, a highly concentrated and
easily dispersed form of a chemical weapon. It is intended to kill or incapacitate hundreds or
even thousands of soldiers. If it truly had been used in Salisbury, even in a small dose, it
would have killed Skripal and his daughter as well as others nearby. First responders who
showed up without protective clothing, clearly seen in the initial videos and photos taken near
the site, would also be dead. After her first speech, May summoned the Russian Ambassador
and demanded that he address the allegations, but Moscow reasonably enough demanded a sample of
the alleged nerve agent for testing by relevant international bodies like the Organization for
the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons before it could even respond to the British accusations. It
was a valid point even supported in Parliament questioning by opposition Labour leader Jeremy
Corbyn, but May and her government decided to act anyway.
May's language also conveys uncertainty. She used "it appears" and also said it was "highly
likely" that Moscow was behind the poisoning of Skripal but provided no actual evidence that
that was the case, presumably only assuming that it had to be Russia. And her government has
told the public that there is "little risk" remaining over the incident and that those who were
possibly exposed merely have to wash themselves and their clothes, hardly likely if it were a
military grade toxin, which gains it lethality from being persistent on and around a target.
She made clear her lack of corroboration for her claim by offering an "either-or" analysis:
either Russia's government did it or it had "lost control" of its nerve agent.
As noted above, May's argument is, to a certain extent, based on character assassination of
Russians – she even offered up the alleged "annexation" of Crimea as corroboration of her
view that Moscow is not inclined to play by the rules that others observe. It is a narrative
that is based on the presumption that "this is the sort of thing the Russian government headed
by Vladimir Putin does." The British media has responded enthusiastically, running stories
about numerous assassinations and poisonings that ought to be attributed to Russia, while
ignoring the fact that the world leaders in political assassinations are actually the United
States and Israel.
There are a number of other considerations that the May government has ignored in its rush
to expand the crisis. She mentioned that Russia might be somewhat exonerated if it has lost
control of its chemical weapons, but did not fully explain what that might mean. It could be
plausible to consider that states hostile to Russia like Ukraine and Georgia that were once
part of the Soviet Union could have had , and might
still retain, stocks of the Novichok nerve agent. That in turn suggests a false flag, with
someone having an interest in promoting a crisis between Russia and Britain. If that someone
were a country having a sophisticated arms industry possessing its own chemical weapons
capability, like the United States or Israel, it would be quite easy to copy the
characteristics of the Russian nerve agent, particularly as its formula has been known since it
was published in 1992. The agent could then be used to create an incident that would inevitably
be blamed on Moscow. Why would Israel and the United States want to do that? To put pressure on
Russia to embarrass it and put it on the defensive so I would be forced eventually to abandon
its support for President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Removing al-Assad is the often-expressed
agenda of the Israeli and American governments, both of which have pledged to take "independent
action" in Syria no matter what the United Nations or any other international body says. The
redoubtable Nikki Haley is already using the incident
to fearmonger over Moscow's intentions at the U.N., warning that a Russian chemical attack
on New York City could be coming.
And to throw out a really wild possibility, one might observe that no one in Britain had a
stronger motive to generate a major confrontation with a well-defined enemy than Theresa May,
who has been under fire by the media and pressured to resign by many in her own Conservative
Party. Once upon a time suggesting that a democratically elected government might
assassinate someone for political reasons would have been unthinkable, but the 2016 election in
the United States has demonstrated that nothing is impossible, particularly if one is
considering the possibility that a secret intelligence service might be collaborating with a
government to help it stay in power. An incident in which no one was actually killed that can
be used to spark an international crisis mandating "strong leadership" would be just the
ticket.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]
.
9/11 was less important than the Anthrax show thereafter
¿Qué?
IIRC, the Anthrax show was seen [from my viewpoint = external], as akin to sending out a
sheep-dog to shepherd the outliers = oppress any 'casual dissidents' = get everybody onto the
same page = GWoT, 1st step = invade Afghanistan = rearrange some sand. The latter more than a
bit puzzling, since Afghanistan was not the likeliest place to want to go, to punish any
alleged hijackers. To add 'interest,' it was fairly quickly revealed that the Anthrax was a
'domestic' strain = US-produced. Then they hounded Ivins to death, but that was *much* later.
At the time = 2001, there was almost no '9/11 inside-job' discussion -- except for the
Anthrax. A different puzzling. What did I miss? rgds
Without the Anthrax (which, was not "weaponised" btw), there would not have been a case
for Iraq war and Powell showing vials at the UN nor the Patriot Act and assorted other
totalitarian retardations. One could have looked into the Saudis-finagled-it angle, into the
Israel-knew-about-it angle, into the FBI dropped the ball-years-before angle , into
too-convenient-for-PNACistas-angle,
into-we-found-the-passports-but-we-didnt-find-the-flight-recorders angle. And maybe Shrubby
wouldn't even have been re-elected. Before Anthrax, it was just "an attack on the WTC"
– there had been one of those via the parking garage a couple of years earlier btw, by
the same team. But after Anthrax, hysteria took hold. And everyone was taking Cipro.
This timeline alleges that people were even taking Cipro before 9/11 (don't take
antibiotica until you absolutely, totally, must, idiots – maybe they look too much at
Dark Winter: http://washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/anthrax-dark-winter.html
):
Here's an interesting related piece that was linked to in Craig Murray's comments page. It
deals with the quote by the UK government, in support of their accusation of Russia, of
Putin's words in 2010, when he said: "Traitors will kick the bucket, believe me. Those other
folks betrayed their friends, their brother in arms, whatever they got in exchange for it,
those 30 pieces of silver they were given, they will choke on them." The context as stated by
the UK government was "when we think about who benefits" [from the attack on the Skripals],
and the clear intention was to try to create the impression that Putin had threatened to kill
traitors, which is of course exactly how this quote was subsequently misrepresented.
There is of course a familiar "track record", or "pattern of behaviour" here, when one
considers how Israel lobbies of various kinds intentionally misrepresented Iranian words
about the Zionist regime "vanishing from the pages of history" as a threat to attack
Israel.
The piece is long, and I've posted it below for reference because I do not know if the
website in question will necessarily be around for long. Hopefully the moderators will put it
under a [More] tag so it remains, but does not clog up the thread. There are embedded
reference links in the text at the source.
No, on the occasion in question Putin did not say that traitors would be killed. The
quote in your question comes from a March 5, 2018 broadcast of BBC Newsnight. It is a
concatenation of three soundbites from a three-minute statement in which Putin says that
Russia no longer kills traitors. The soundbites come from the last paragraph of his
statement in which Putin paints a melodramatic picture of traitors as broken men living out
their remaining days in abject misery leading to an early death.
The actual fate of enemies of the Russian state is beyond the scope of the question and
this answer. Instead we will discuss the beliefs on this subject which Putin was attempting
to instill. He was inviting the Russian people to picture traitors dying friendless and
alone Men Without a Country in apartments strewn with empty vodka bottles.
The translation in the BBC broadcast alters the tone of Putin's statement and broadens
the meaning of his words to the point that, when they are read in the style used by Western
comedians portraying Putin, they seem to convey veiled threats of violence.
The Story Spreads
The next day (March 6th) the composite soundbite from the BBC broadcast appeared at the
head of article on the website of The Sun, now shorn of all even the context provided in
the BBC broadcast. The article describes the statement as a "threat to 'choke traitors'",
thereby changing the BBC's poor translation into an unambiguously false one.
The day after that (March 7th) the Independent put up an article with its own version of
the BBC video. The article incorrectly identifies it as a video which "re-emerged online"
and describes Putin's words as "apparent death threats".
Also on March 7th the Telegraph described Putin's words unambiguously as a "death
threat". This despite the fact that in 2010 they had reported on the very same statement
and found exactly the opposite meaning in it. What is more, now Putin's words were not
simply spoken close to the time of Sergei Skripal's release, they are now actually about
him.
On March 7th on Good Morning Britain Piers Morgan asked Alexander Nekrassov (former
Kremlin adviser) what Putin had meant by "kick the bucket". They each considered the
other's interpretation of the phrase ridiculous. (Not surprising since Mr. Morgan was
interpreting the Putin's words in the BBC's poor translation while Mr. Nekrassov was
presumably interpreting Mr. Putin's actual words which, at least for this phrase, can be
heard in the BBC broadcast.) Neither one of them seemed to know the context of the
quote.
On March 12th the video was mentioned in an editorial in the New York Times. The
editorial links to the March 7th article in the Independent and quotes the translation from
the video. The editors seem to have obtained some information about the TV show during
which the statement was made, but this is a bit garbled too. In particular their
description of the question is incorrect and they make no mention of the overall import of
Putin's answer.
Earlier Western Press Coverage of Putin's Statement
Putin's statement attracted some press coverage in the West at the time he made it. At
the time the press had the full text of the statement and did not interpret it as a threat
against traitors:
•Vladimir Putin: Russian secret services don't kill traitors (The Telegraph)
•Vladimir Putin says Russian secret service no longer kills traitors (Mirror)
Putin refers to the exposure and arrest of agents of the Illegals Program on June 27,
2010. The Illegals Program (which is the name given it by the US Department of Justice)
planted Russian sleeper agents in the United States under cover as private citizens.
In July of 2010 the ten spies arrested in the United States were exchanged for three
Russian nationals who had been convicted of high treason for espionage one of whom was
Sergei Skripal. (This appears to be his only connection to the affair.) In August the
deported Russian spies were "warmly greeted" by Vladimir Putin who "led them in singing
patriotic songs".
After the program was exposed, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service began an
investigation in an attempt to determine whether the agents had been betrayed. Suspicion
fell on one Colonel Aleksander Poteyev who was in charge of undercover spying in the US. He
is thought to have fled Russia a few days before the arrest of the undercover agents. Where
he is now is unclear, but the opinion in the Russian press is that he went to the US, that
his children are also in the US, and that he may or may not have died in 2016.
The Statement
In the quote in question Putin is commenting on this affair. He is speaking during the
program Direct Line: A Conversation with Vladimir Putin in December 2010. Direct Line is a
marathon ask-me-anything-style show which he does once a year. The broadcast is on Youtube
(the question is asked at about 3:12:15 and Putin concludes his answer at about 3:15:15)
and there is a written transcript. Here is an English translation. The parts included in
some form in the quote from your question are in bold:
M. Sittel: Vladimir Vladimirovich, I'm taking a question from the website, this time it
is a personal one. It is clearly written by someone who loves memoirs. "When you spoke of
the recent spy scandal, you noted: traitors do not live long. The leaders of many
countries, as know from recollections, have signed orders for the the liquidation of the
enemies of the homeland oversees. The French have done so, the Israelis. Have you, as the
head of state, had occasion to make such a decision in the past?"
V.Putin: I do not think that the leaders of state signed such orders personally even in
the past. That is the work of the special services. And during Soviet times, in Stalin's
time, it is no secret, there were special subunits which carried out, including (these were
military subunits, it was not all they did), which when necessary carried out such
assignments: the liquidation of traitors. Such subunits were themselves liquidated long
ago.
It is known that actual many, say the Israeli special services used such methods, yes,
all things considered, as for today, far from all have given this up even now. The Russian
special services do not use such means.
With regard to traitors, they will curl up on their own, I assure you. That's because
Here we have this latest instance of betrayal in which they exposed a group of our
illegals. And these are officers! Do you get it? Officers. A man betrayed his friends, his
comrades in arms. These are people who laid their entire lives on the altar of patriotism.
What is it like to learn a language at native level, leave behind one's relatives, not to
be able to bury one's loved ones? Think about that for a minute! Someone has given his
entire life to serve his homeland and now this brute comes along who betrays people like
that. How is he going to live with that for the rest of his life? How will he look his
children in the eye, the swine?! Whatever went on there, whatever 30 pieces of silver those
people may have gotten, they will stick in their throat, I assure you. To spend your whole
life trying to keep out of view, to be unable to talk with your loved ones, it means that
someone who chooses such a fate will be regretting it a thousand times over.
So the quotation in the form you cite is garbled and has been interpreted in a manner
which is at odds with the original context which is a specific denial that Russia
assassinates traitors.
Notes on Translation
The word "загнуться" famously
translated "kick the bucket" literally means "to curl up" or "to curl down". What it means
here is open to interpretation. The translation "kick the bucket" can be found in
Wiktionary as a possible translation of a very informal use of the word. @bashbino's
assertion that such use refers to decline and death rather than sudden death is probably
correct. I suspect it is an allusion to the way plants whither and die. In 2010 the phrase
was translated "they will croak all by themselves" (The Telegraph, NBC News)
In translating "прятаться" as
"trying to keep out of view" I am trying to leave the question of whether the traitor is
hiding from assassins or simply from people he cannot look in the eye up to the reader's
interpretation. This word can refer to social avoidance such as the behavior of a child who
hides behind his mother's skirt.
The phrase "колом
станут у них в
горле" refers to difficulty swallowing due to revulsion, not
difficulty breathing. To make this clear I have translated it "will stick in their
throat".
"... It says that the United States is always virtuous even when it tortures, when it bombs towns, villages, cities in the name of "freedom or installs dictators, military governments, trains torturers, and, yes, rapes and loots in the name of "democracy." ..."
American Exceptionalism is perhaps the most toxic ideology since Nazism and Stalinism. It says that the United States is
always virtuous even when it tortures, when it bombs towns, villages, cities in the name of "freedom or installs dictators,
military governments, trains torturers, and, yes, rapes and loots in the name of "democracy."
At least this appointment along with the election of Trump shows the true face of the
United States in international affairs. When we face the fact we are (a) an oligarchy and (b)
a brutal Empire we might have a chance to return to something more human. Few readers, even
of TAC, will want to look at our recent history of stunning brutality and lack of interest in
even being in the neighborhood of following international law.
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley warned on Monday that Washington "remains
prepared to act if we must," if the U.N. Security Council failed to act on Syria.
Votel said the best way to deter Russia, which backs Assad, was through political and
diplomatic channels.
"Certainly if there are other things that are considered, you know, we will do what we are
told. ... (But) I don't recommend that at this particular point," Votel said, in an apparent
to reference to military options.
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham asked whether it was too strong to say that with Russia
and Iran's help, Assad had "won" the civil war in Syria.
"I do not think that is too strong of a statement," Votel said.
Graham also asked if the United States' policy on Syria was still to seek the removal of
Assad from power.
"I don't know that that's our particular policy at this particular point. Our focus
remains on the defeat of ISIS," Votel said, using an acronym for Islamic State. "
Zerohedge
Votel would never say anything like this if he were not in agreement with Mattis and
Dunford. This is illustrative of a weakening of Israeli/AIPAC/Saudi influence in US Middle East
policy. It will be interesting to see if Votel is rebuked for these statements. pl
''This is illustrative of a weakening of Israeli/AIPAC/Saudi influence in US Middle East
policy. It will be interesting to see if Votel is rebuked for these statements. pl ''
Hooray !!
I am sure the boys at JINSA and the Fifth Column will be furious....let them rage. The more
they show themselves the better.
After an hour of searches have not found a single major media outlet or press has quoted
anything Votel said in the hearing about the Iran deal.
Instead they have headlines and coverage/quotes only about Russia's meddling in Syria.
Therefore the public will not know that those like Tillerson, Mattis and JCS Dunford all
agree on keeping the Iran deal...they will only read bad Russia.
i didn't say we were "out of the woods" but it is a good start. IMO all these statements
by Votel are true and it took a good deal of courage to make them in public. pl
Catherine notes that the MSM has said zero about what Votel, Mattis and Dunford have said or
thought about Iran and Syria. Even if our host had not made his confirming statement about
Votel's true commitment to his statements, I would have offered the secondary supposition
that Votel's commitment to these statements is true.
I would say that because of the MSM silence on them that Catherine has noted. If Votel was
making these statements as false-fog noise to hide the movement of men and materiel to use
against Iran and Syria, as WillyBilly theorizes, the MSM would be broadcasting and
highlighting the false-fog in order to keep the buildup hidden and keep Syria and Iran off
guard. The fact that the MSM is so silent makes me think the MSM wants Votel's statements to
die in silence under the MSM Cone of Silence. Meaning the MSM and its masters reject these
statements but can only hope to starve them of attention because the MSM couldn't prevent
Votel from making them.
"then we will have to have another way to deal with their nuclear weapons program," said U.S.
Army General Joseph Votel."
Iran does not have and has never had a "nuclear weapons program" with the possible
exception of a "feasibility study" back when they were afraid Saddam had one. I believe this
was the opinion of the DIA in the run up to the 2007 Iran NIE which did not make it into the
NIE. But this is consistent with the publicly available information and Iran's own
statements.
"... these statements by Votel are true and it took a good deal of courage to make them in
public."
-- If true they constitute a strong expression of patriotism. God, give us more outspoken
patriots.
(This is a paradoxical time in the US when truth and patriotism are not a norm.)
What had been happening and what I expect to see is that, as during the George II
Administration, the US would loudly accuse Iran of breaking faith with agreements and demand
unlimited access for 'inspectors'. The Iranians know how that cartoon ends, so they'd refuse,
unlike Mr Saddam. And then the US would call on the client states in the EU to join them in
tightening sanctions. Eventually provocation could be arranged and the US would "have no
choice but to respond." - some patrol boats being shot at by Iranians as has happened. We all
will recall how Obama was cast as a creampuf appeaseer when 'our boys' were caught zooming
around Iranian waters.
Too many powerful actors on the American political stage have determined hat Iran must be
collapsed (It was on the famous hit-list after all) for them to let this go.
"... The vast majority of people have already had drummed into them the fact (sic) that novichok could only be produced in Russia, so this will of course be interpreted as conclusive proof that "Putin did it". The real push for dramatic measures (e.g., World Cup) will begin at that point. ..."
It is reported that the OPCW is already carrying out tests on "samples taken from Salisbury".
This will presumably take some time, but eventually (2 weeks?) there will be an announcement
that it is indeed Novichok.
The vast majority of people have already had drummed into them the fact (sic) that
novichok could only be produced in Russia, so this will of course be interpreted as
conclusive proof that "Putin did it". The real push for dramatic measures (e.g., World Cup)
will begin at that point.
there had to be a physical person who did it and that means that person can be found
– the beauty of the luggage story was that it could be written off as a clever remote
attack
BMW has a good security system; this would require a risky break-in with a non-zero chance
of getting caught
the release of the substance in a car cannot be controlled – it could happen in a
crowded place, there could be an accident, Skripal could loan the car, etc
So I am skeptical, no 'intelligence' agency is this un-intelligent. Someone is releasing
more scenarios (luggage, car, drinks, ) to confuse the narrative and let it linger in the
media as in 'well, it was possible and if not that, maybe this was possible'. I don't know
who that 'someone' is, but it is not Boris Johnson or Teresa May. They clearly know
nothing.
"... My impression is that the nerve agent was introduced to the scene after Skripals were hospitalized as a doctor attended the
daughter for 30 min before the ambulance came. She did not develop any symptoms. So at this moment they lost conscience at the bench
there was no nerve gas on the scene. It might well be something else. ..."
I think the Skripals won't be able to talk at all. They are in a coma
How do you know that?
Has there been any public report on the medical condition of the Skripals? I haven't been able to find one. If you know of
such a report, will you please provide a link. In the meantime, one should keep in mind the statement of the Salisbury hospital
consultant, Steohen Davies, that:
no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury
So either (1) the Skripal's were not exposed to Novichok or any other nerve agent, or (2) though exposed to a nerve agent,
they were not treated at the hospital, which would be odd, though not impossible. Perhaps they were taken to the British chemical
weapons lab at Porton Down, just seven miles from Salisbury, where, presumably, there are specialists in detoxification of those
exposed to nerve agents.
But unless you adhere to (1) or (2), it would seem that you have to conclude that the Skripal's were not exposed to a nerve
agent. In other words, that the whole story is probably a sham, a fake terror attack, a story concocted to befuddle the plebs
and justify some new imperial aggression.
My impression is that the nerve agent was introduced to the scene after Skripals were hospitalized as a doctor attended the
daughter for 30 min before the ambulance came. She did not develop any symptoms. So at this moment they lost conscience at the
bench there was no nerve gas on the scene. It might well be something else.
IMHO this looks like an opening salvo in multi-step combination. Clumsy first step. It might well be designed to confiscate
a part of Russian money in London banks and thus create the motive for Russian oligarchs to remove Putin. Kind of color revolution
launched by disgruntled oligarchs.
That's probably why the UK government does not really care, if that is told to people true or not. Officials produce crazy
statements and generally behave quite carelessly, as if they completely despise public and truth dos not matter for them one bit.
The support of the USA is all that matter. Look for example at the most recent statement of Boris Johnson. But they needed the
pretext for further actions, be it another witch hunt or something more serious and they succeeded.
Their actions look completely logical if the resulting hysteria is needed just for a few weeks to start the next round of sanctions
against Russia. It might well be that the real goal is confiscation of "ill gotten" money of Russian oligarchs both to push them
to act against Putin and to compensate for Brexit losses
"If We Should Have to Leave Our Bleached Bones on These Desert Sands in Vain, Then Beware the Anger of the Legions."
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"... Prussian war theorist Carl von Clausewitz famously spoke of the " fog of war ," the confusion created by and inherent uncertainty built into that complex human endeavor. As thick as that fog often is, in these years the fog of phony war has proven even thicker and more disorienting. ..."
A bizarre version of blitzkrieg overseas and an even stranger version of sitzkrieg at home could be said to define this peculiar
American moment. These two versions exist in a curiously yin-yang relationship to each other. For how can a nation's military be
engaged in warfare at a near-global level -- blitzing people across vast swaths of the globe -- when its citizens are sitting on
their collective duffs,
demobilized
and mentally disarmed? Such a schizoid state of mind can exist only when it's in the interest of those in power. Appeals to "patriotism"
(especially to revering "our" troops) and an overwhelming
atmosphere
of secrecy to preserve American "safety" and "security" have been remarkably effective in
controlling and stifling interest in the
country's wars and their
costs
, long before such an interest might morph into dissent or opposition. If you want an image of just how effective this has been,
recall the moment in July 2016 when small numbers of earnest war protesters quite literally had the
lights turned
off on them at the Democratic National Convention.
To use an expression I heard more than a few times in my years in the military, when it comes to its wars, the government treats
the people like mushrooms, keeping them in the dark and feeding them bullshit.
The Fog of Phony War
Prussian war theorist Carl von Clausewitz famously spoke of the "
fog of war ," the confusion created by and inherent uncertainty
built into that complex human endeavor. As thick as that fog often is, in these years the fog of phony war has proven even thicker
and more disorienting.
By its very nature, a real war of necessity, of survival, like the Civil War or World War II brings with it clarity of purpose
and a demand for results. Poorly performing leaders are relieved of command when not killed outright in combat. Consider the number
of mediocre Union generals Abraham Lincoln cycled through before he found Ulysses S. Grant. Consider the number of
senior officers relieved
during World War II by General George C. Marshall, who knew that, in a global struggle against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, subpar
performances couldn't be tolerated. In wars of necessity or survival, moreover, the people are invariably involved. In part, they
may have little choice, but they also know (or at least believe they know) "
why we fight " -- and generally approve of it.
Admittedly, even in wars of necessity there are always those who will find ways to duck service. In the Civil War, for example,
the rich could pay others to fight in their place. But typically in such wars, everyone serves in some capacity. Necessity demands
it.
The definition of twenty-first-century phony war, on the other hand, is its lack of clarity, its lack of purpose, its lack of
any true imperative for national survival (despite a never-ending hysteria over the "terrorist threat"). The fog it produces is especially
disorienting. Americans today have little idea "why we fight" other than a vague sense of fighting them over there (Afghanistan,
Iraq, Libya, Niger, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, etc.) so they won't kill us here, to cite George W. Bush's
rationale for launching the war on terror. Meanwhile, with
such a lack of national involvement and accountability, there's no pressure for the Pentagon or the rest of the national security
state to up its game; there's no one even to point out that wherever the U.S. military has gone into battle in these years, yet more
terror groups have subsequently sprouted like so many malignant weeds. Bureaucracy and mediocrity go unchallenged;
massive boosts in military spending reward incompetency and the creation of a series of quagmire-like "
generational
" wars.
Think of it as war on a Möbius strip. More money shoveled into the Pentagon brings more chaos overseas, more imperial overreach,
and undoubtedly more
blowback
here at home, all witnessed -- or rather largely ignored -- by a sitzkrieg citizenry.
Of course, for those fighting the wars, they are anything but phony. It's just that their experience remains largely isolated
from that of the rest of us, an isolation that only serves to elevate
post-traumatic stress disorder rates,
suicides , and the like. When
today's troops come home, they generally suffer in silence and among themselves.
America's New (Phony) National Defense Strategy
Even phony wars need enemies. In fact, they may need them more (and more of them) than real wars do. No surprise then that the
Trump administration's recently announced
National Defense Strategy (NDS) offers a laundry list of such enemies. China and Russia top it as "revisionist powers" looking
to reverse America's putative victory over Communism in the Cold War. "Rogue" powers like North Korea and Iran are singled out as
especially dangerous because of their nuclear ambitions. (The United States, of course, doesn't have a "rogue" bone in its body,
even if it is now devoting at least $1.2
trillion to building a new generation of more usable nuclear
weapons.) Nor does the NDS neglect Washington's need to
hammer
away at global terrorists until the end of time or to extend "full-spectrum dominance" not just to the traditional realms of
combat (land, sea, and air) but also to
space and cyberspace.
Amid such a plethora of enemies, only one thing is missing in America's
new defense strategy
, the very thing that's been missing all these years, that makes twenty-first-century American war so phony: any sense of national
mobilization and shared sacrifice (or its opposite,
antiwar resistance ). If the United
States truly faces all these existential threats to our democracy and our way of life, what are we doing frittering away more than
$45
billion annually in a quagmire war in Afghanistan? What are we doing spending staggering sums on exotic weaponry like the F-35
jet fighter (total projected program cost:
$1.45 trillion ) when we
have far more pressing national needs to deal with?
Like so much else in Washington in these years, the NDS doesn't represent a strategy for real war, only a call for more of the
same raised to a higher power. That mainly means more money for the Pentagon, the Department of Homeland Security, and related "defense"
agencies, facilitating more blitz attacks on various enemies overseas. The formula -- serial blitzkrieg abroad, serial sitzkrieg
in the homeland -- adds up to
victory , but only for the military-industrial complex.
Solutions to Sitzkrieg
Of course, one solution to phony war would be to engage in real war, but for that the famed American way of life would actually
have to be endangered. (By Afghans? Syrians? Iraqis? Yemenis? Really?) Congress would then have to declare war; the public would
have to be mobilized, a draft undoubtedly reinstated, and taxes raised. And those would be just for starters. A clear strategy would
have to be defined and losing generals demoted or dismissed.
Who could imagine such an approach when it comes to America's forever wars? Another solution to phony war would be for the American
people to actually start paying attention. The Pentagon would then have to be starved of funds. (With less money, admirals and generals
might actually have to think.) All those attacks overseas that blitzed innocents and spread chaos would have to end. Here at home,
the cheerleaders would have to put down the pom-poms, stop mindlessly praising the troops for their service, and pick up a few protest
signs.
In point of fact, America's all-too-real wars overseas aren't likely to end until the phony war here at home is dispatched to
oblivion.
A final thought: Americans tell pollsters that, after all these years of failed wars abroad, they continue to
trust the
military more than any other societal institution. Consistent with phony war, however, much of that trust is based on ignorance,
on not really knowing what that military is doing overseas. So, is there a chance that, one of these days, Americans might actually
begin to pay some attention to "their" wars? And if so, would those polls begin to change and how might that military, which has
experienced its share of blood, sweat, and tears, respond to such a loss of societal prestige? Beware the
anger of the legions .
Faith in institutions undergirds democracy. Keeping the people deliberately demobilized and in the dark about the costs and carnage
of America's wars follows a pattern of governmental lying and deceit that stretches from the
Vietnam War to the
Iraq Wars of
1991 and 2003
, to military operations in Afghanistan, Syria, and elsewhere today. Systemic lies and the phony war that goes with them continue
to contribute to a slow-motion process of political and social disintegration that could result in a much grimmer future for this
country: perhaps an authoritarian one; certainly, a more chaotic and less democratic one.
Societal degradation and democratic implosion, caused in part by endless phony war and the lies associated with it, are this country's
real existential enemies, even if you can't find them listed in any National Defense Strategy. Indeed, the price tag for America's
wars may in the end prove not just heavy but catastrophic.
The text of the letter in French as it appeared in "Les Centurions" [LCJL] has been appended near the bottom of this post. Here
is the English language version published in the 1962 edition of "The Centurions" [TCJL]:
We had been told, on leaving our native soil, that we were going to defend the sacred rights conferred on us by so many
of our citizens settled overseas, so many years of our presence, so many benefits brought by us to populations in need of our
assistance and our civilization.
We were able to verify that all this was true, and, because it was true, we did not hesitate to shed our quota of blood,
to sacrifice our youth and our hopes. We regretted nothing, but whereas we over here are inspired by this frame of mind, I
am told that in Rome factions and conspiracies are rife, that treachery flourishes, and that many people in their uncertainty
and confusion lend a ready ear to the dire temptations of relinquishment and vilify our action.
I cannot believe that all this is true and yet recent wars have shown how pernicious such a state of mind could be and to
where it could lead.
Make haste to reassure me, I beg you, and tell me that our fellow-citizens understand us, support us and protect us as we
ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware of the
anger of the Legions!
Marcus Flavinius,
Centurion in the 2nd Cohort of the Augusta Legion,
to his cousin Tertullus in Rome
William Astore, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel and history professor, is a
TomDispatch
regular . He blogs at Bracing Views .
I'm not sure why the US's actions overseas are called "wars". They're attacks upon weak 3rd and 4th world countries with little
capability to resist. The US has never fought a peer enemy despite all it's self-promotion. It moved in on the Germans at the
last moment after they were already on the ropes, despite all the WWII movie hype. All other enemies have been carefully chosen
for their vulnerability. But who actually wants a "real" war? Only an insane person wants that. These phony wars serve as an income
transfer scheme siphoning tax money upward from the masses to the upper classes. Funny how that works. An actual war with a country
that can defend itself and inflict real damage might have the effect of upsetting this racket they have going and they don't want
that. Of course the money spent for Afghanistan could be better put to use domestically for roads, medical research and other
ways of spending our money on ourselves but apparently that's not in the cards. What's important is to keep the hysteria going
so as to maintain the .1% in the style to which they're entitled. The people getting killed are the expendables and of no importance.
It's all just a money transfer. Ya have to be in the thick of things around DC, the Pentagon, the likes of Lockheed, the spooks
at NSA, certain aspects of Federal Law Enforcement, the whole Alphabet Soup. The dough is a-flowing and they're up to their hand-sewn
collars in it. Their mansions, their 5 BMWs or whatever, the Rolexes, the vacations, beautiful women at home AND on the road.
They intend to hand it all over to their children as their fathers handed it over to them. They are NOT giving this up. Ever.
Get in the way, Mr. Senator or Congressman or President? Here's what we have on YOU sir, usually a girlfriend or some depravity,
they're politicians after all. End of the day, these are the people that get richer every day by killing people. They're very
good at it. Even in Britain, the UK, even Russians aren't safe in the quest to keep it all going. Get in the way of the cabal
and their income streams in any way, they can disappear you and blame it on Putin. These are the people that kill people. Remember
that, you'll be well-served.
But: there IS sacrifice. All those trillions of dollars wasted on pointless winless foreign wars are coming out of the standard
of living of the United States, one way or the other. It's just indirect and hard to trace.
One is reminded that Donald Trump, during his presidential campaign, suggested that we stop wasting all these trillions on
stupid wars, and spend it on ourselves. For this he was excoriated as "literally Hitler." A lot of Americans voted for him because,
propaganda aside, they are not stupid and they don't want this phony war nonsense. After the election, though, he finally caved,
and now it's back to business as usual. The elites really like their war profits and they will not shy away from playing dirty
to keep them. That's why these phony wars continue.
Remember: IN THE LAST ELECTION THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST PHONY WARS. It's just that we don't live in a Democracy.
But there is an alternate view. One is reminded that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 were only possible because the immigration
policy of the United States is increasingly open to people from unstable nations full of extremists. That attack could not have
happened a decade or so earlier.
Even if the United States had the most benevolent foreign policy imaginable, it's a big messy world. There will always be people
who hate the United States, for whatever reason. In the past these people would just stew in their own misery and kill each other.
Now they can come here no questions asked. Now every extremist group in Tyrannia or Fanatistan is our concern, and we need to
break up any potentially hostile organized faction anywhere in the world. So maybe – maybe – these stupid wars aren't that stupid
after all. Maybe these phony wars is just one more price for "there shall be open borders."
Minding our own business was never a strong suit of our ruling classes, but it would have saved the world a lot of grief. However,
it would have shaved the profits of the bankers and other war profiteers.
The "war for profit group" seem to labor under the impression that it is their war, and that it shall be their material
gain. That group, surely is the cause of wars
-Charles A. Lindbergh, Why is your country at war and what happens to you after the war, and related subjects" p77, (1917)
In the battle of Manchuria ( China ) , August 1945 , or " August Storm " , the Russians defeated the imperial japanese army
, the road to Japan was open for the Red Army and the chinese . Then the yankees threw the atomic bombs to Japan to threaten the
Russians ( who still did not have the atomic bomb at the time ) to not to invade Japan .
Japan was completeley defeated , there was not any military need to throw atomic bombs on Japan . The Americans have a sad
record for bombing unarmed civilians : Corea , Vietnam , Germany , Irak, Afganistan , Libia , Siria , Japan , etc ..
Americans are no longer allowed to see the reality of war, as some old movies showed. From my blog:
Jun 8, 2017 – Patriotic Nonsense
Do you become angry when you hear nonsense that our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting for our freedoms? Do you become
enraged when the death of soldiers is explained by claiming they protected us? This is nothing new, as shown in this short movie
clip with Korean War vet James Garner. Most blame the Generals and politicians, but he also blames the people back home for glorifying
wars, thus allowing the deadly ruse to continue. He stated: "It is always the war widows who lead the Memorial Day parade" as
though their husbands died by accident.
Back when Reagan was doing his impersonation of POTUS, the defense deficit was some measly amount and the cry went out to privatize
defense because the free market could do it for less. Pretty funny in retrospect.
They also fixed our inefficient corporations and markets, then went on to fix housing, inequality and end poverty. As if that
wasn't enough, they also fixed healthcare and banking. I'm surprised we're still afloat. I expect a Wiley Coyote moment soon.
"It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on,
in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands
playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every
hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering
wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide
avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and
sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the
packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory with stirred the deepest deeps of
their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the
tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to
flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in
outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.
It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to
disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern
and angry warning that for their personal safety's sake they quickly shrank out of sight and
offended no more in that way.
Sunday morning came -- next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was
filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams -- visions of
the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the
flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!
Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of
glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and
friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for
the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter
from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst
that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating
hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation:
God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest,
Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!
Then came the "long" prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading
and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful
and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort,
and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and
the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible
in the bloody onset; help them crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country
imperishable honor and glory --
An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his
eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his
head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face
unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he
made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher's side and stood there
waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving
prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, "Bless our arms,
grant us the victory, O Lord and God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!"
The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside -- which the startled minister
did -- and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with
solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:
"I come from the Throne -- bearing a message from Almighty God!" The words smote the house
with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. "He has heard the prayer of
His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such be your desire after I, His messenger,
shall have explained to you its import -- that is to say, its full import. For it is like
unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of
-- except he pause and think. "God's servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused
and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two -- one uttered, and the other not. Both
have reached the ear of Him who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken.
Ponder this -- keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest
without intent you invoke a curse upon your neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the
blessing of rain on your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a
curse on some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.
"You have heard your servant's prayer -- the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God
to put into words the other part of it -- that part which the pastor -- and also you in your
hearts -- fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was
so! You heard the words 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. The whole
of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary.
When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow
victory -- must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell
also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!
"Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle -- be Thou
near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved
firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with
our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead;
help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain;
help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts
of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with
their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and
hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in
spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it --
For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their
bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white
snow with the blood of their wounded feet!
We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the
ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and
contrite hearts. Amen.
(After a pause.) "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most
High waits."
It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what
he said
"... You have obviously been at the crime scene, have witnessed the comatose bodies of the Skripals and after analyzing the Novitchok samples you meticulously collected, have reached the inescapable conclusion ..."
"... Nice sarcasm. Well deserved for those "Novichok hot heads", who claim that it is plausible that a military grade nerve gas was used. Actually initial reports were about a synthetic opioid, not any nerve gas ( https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ex-russian-agent-sergei-skripal-critical-condition-was-poisoned-by-fentanyl-1665286 ) ..."
"... I am amazed that people do not understand the level of absurdity of using nerve gas in such a case. It's really like ignorance has no boundaries. I understand that some people did not manage to graduate from a university or take a decent organic chemistry course, but still, this is simply amazing and very disturbing to read such posts. Especially here. ..."
You have obviously been at the crime scene, have witnessed the comatose bodies of the
Skripals and after analyzing the Novitchok samples you meticulously collected, have reached
the inescapable conclusion
I am amazed that people do not understand the level of absurdity of using nerve gas in
such a case. It's really like ignorance has no boundaries. I understand that some people did
not manage to graduate from a university or take a decent organic chemistry course, but
still, this is simply amazing and very disturbing to read such posts. Especially here.
If it was a nerve gas my question to "Novichok hot heads" here is who the assassin
was?
You need either to place a can or some punctured packet under the bench (probably
impossible) or spray the liquid on the victim from a short distance. The latter is a very
dangerous exercise if you are not wearing a respirator and protection gear.
Remember the place was under surveillance -- bad for any assassination. Also in lethal
concentrations, the gas kills the victims in several minutes. But Skripals survived
unattended for an hour or more and there was only one other seriously affected person -- a
policeman, while doctor who treated Skriplal's daughter on the bench was unaffected.
I do not see any reasonable way to administer the gas in this environment without
affecting many other people including any passerby, or the doctor who treated Skripal's
daughter
Yes, it certainly looks like a provocation, the "false flag" operation. The Brits and the Banks needed the US and the EU to join
the fight.
Notable quotes:
"... The most plausible goal of the whole "Operation Skripal" was poisoning UK-Russia relations and hopefully bringing the US and EU to impose new round of sanctions on Russia. In this sense it reminds Litvinenko case (which brought huge propaganda benefits to the UK and the hysteria lasted several months, if memory does not fail me). ..."
"... One thing I can't understand in "Operation Skripal" is how such an assassination (if we assume that this is an assassination) was accomplished. ..."
"... The gas (if it really exists, which is yet another question) supposedly is really deadly. If this was not gas but some substance infused with this agent (which would be extremely strange and risky method), you need to get it into the drinks, which means 100% chances of your detection. ..."
"... Moreover in case of the gas the difficulties look insurmountable -- to get it to the victim you need to mix components and shortly after spray it from a short distance, hoping the you mixed them correctly. The place where Skripals were found unconscious is a really bad place for such an exercise as there probably several cameras which record the events on the bench. ..."
"... So IMHO it looks like assassination without an assassin ..."
"... suggested traces of the opiate fentanyl -- a synthetic toxin many times stronger than heroin -- had been detected at the scene. ..."
Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best
he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia,
nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine
the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a
parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked (by a Russian sounding chemical weapon Novichok), and
denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk - Craig Murray has been most viciously attacked
for not accepting the official story without any evidence) and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Hermann Göring
That's a perfectly applicable variation of the famous quote.
The most plausible goal of the whole "Operation Skripal" was poisoning UK-Russia relations and hopefully bringing the US and
EU to impose new round of sanctions on Russia. In this sense it reminds Litvinenko case (which brought huge propaganda benefits
to the UK and the hysteria lasted several months, if memory does not fail me).
BTW exiled Russian oligarchs like Khodorkovski ( https://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html
) also could easily stage such a false flag operation using their interconnections with both Russia and Israel.
One thing I can't understand in "Operation Skripal" is how such an assassination (if we assume that this is an assassination)
was accomplished.
The gas (if it really exists, which is yet another question) supposedly is really deadly. If this was not gas but some
substance infused with this agent (which would be extremely strange and risky method), you need to get it into the drinks, which
means 100% chances of your detection.
Moreover in case of the gas the difficulties look insurmountable -- to get it to the victim you need to mix components
and shortly after spray it from a short distance, hoping the you mixed them correctly. The place where Skripals were found unconscious
is a really bad place for such an exercise as there probably several cameras which record the events on the bench.
Unless it was the daughter who did this (in this case authorities have definitely all the necessary evidence of the crime committed)
chances of an attacker to survive such an attack are slim, and changes not being recorded on one or more camera are virtually
non existent.
If there was a human assassin, he/she risks to be immediately dead or severely injured as even in minimal concentrations such
a gas reliably kills a person within two minutes or so. Antidote might help to survive, but how effective it is depends on the
dose you can get.
If some robotic disperser was used, then it will be found as unlike in case of an explosive device the activation does no destroy
it.
Also unclear why target the daughter, unless we are dealing with some botched amateur false flag operation in best traditions
of ISIS Syria false flag operations.
Moreover, Skripals spent around an hour on a bench in a comatose state and were helped by a doctor who was not affected in
any way. See timeline at
So IMHO it looks like assassination without an assassin . There are some absurd statements that the poison was spiked
in their drinks either in the pub or at the restaurant:
Later their collapse was used to stage a false flag operation, when in fact there was no any gas involved, and at this point,
a grandiose propaganda show with the decontamination of the area started.
Everything that Saker wrote is true, but he also makes it read a little bit complicated.
Things are much simpler. During my career as a market researcher in a Western country, I once slipped in into some commercial
research that I was doing a test of what kind of message do people react to. The results were really shocking (to me): in rounded
figures, 91% of people reacted to an emotional message and only 9% reacted to a rational message. In other words, if you want
to promote almost anything, appeal to the emotional or even animal part of the human nature not to the ratio. This is exactly
what the Western propaganda is doing and this is why it works.
Think for a moment about the implications of the fact that 91% of people are prone to being emotionally manipulated (including
hysterics):
1) on democracy,
2) on drive towards war and so on.
Again, if you want to manipulate people forget about facts and just employ words and images that can elicit emotions and a
large (democratic) majority will follow you even off the cliff .
If you have not been feeling depressed already, maybe this post of mine will do it for you. That is how I feel as well.
It took a long time for you to discover (in a 'commercial research') what was known for a much longer time, the application
of these principles in advertising and propaganda 'discovered' by Edward Bernays and exposed in his 'influential book' "Propaganda"
1928. One of the techniques of propaganda is to make the recipients believe that the ideas instilled in their heads were their
own discovery.
It did not take me as long as you think. As a marketing and advertising professional (with appropriate qualifications) I was always
aware that emotional works better than rational, but I never had an idea by how much. My most extreme supposition was 2/3 to 1/3.
To end up 10:1, I never expected that.
It appears that such high proportion enables the government's/manipulators to silence the rational fraction who oppose the
dragging into a war. Without any firm evidence I do feel that if the proportion was 2/3 to 1/3 then such manipulation, leading
subjects often to mass suicide, would not be possible.
Therefore, I posit that the human society consists of three strata:
But you succeeded in creating a diversion – we are discussing your stupidity instead of an important inclination in the human
nature. Virtually all of the "democratic" system manipulations, especially the dragging of a nation into a war is based on emotional
manipulations such as the Germans bayoneting the Belgian babies, the Iraqis throwing babies out of incubators onto the cold floor,
and so on and so on. Around 91% swallow the regime's emotional crap, the remaining 9% are denounced as traitors and threatened
wth sedition laws.
"The first terrorist attack with chemical weapon on a territory of a NATO nation by a rogue state."
"Virtually all of the "democratic" system manipulations, especially the dragging of a nation into a war is based on emotional
manipulations such as the Germans bayoneting the Belgian babies, the Iraqis throwing babies out of incubators onto the cold floor,
and so on and so on."
If you are going to make this claim, then you are going to have to offer specific research studies, along with their methodologies
and sources, i.e. past studies they based their research on. Because what one person calls "emotional manipulations", another
person calls "facts".
"Around 91% swallow the regime's emotional crap, the remaining 9% are denounced as traitors and threatened wth sedition laws."
Doubling down I see without the requisite verification. Was your own "study" even replicated? You do realize that studies need
to be replicated as to offer further evidence of your conclusions. Can you even name one such study?
"At this stage, only gross ignorance or dishonesty can explain anyone seriously claiming
there's a rational motive for the Russian government to have done this."
Notable quotes:
"... When Putin's cruising to an easy win and the only concern is whether the turnout is 60% or 70%, the claims he wants it for election purposes are pretty stupid, and become untenable when you consider the very real diplomatic, propaganda and soft power costs Russia will bear for this, and coming at a particularly bad time as well on several counts, with Syria on a knife edge in relation to (even more) open US military aggression, the NordStream II pipeline facing new attempts to block it, and the World Cup coming up. ..."
"... Frankly, if the idea of trying to murder someone in Britain, using a "wmd" in the most hysteria-inducing propaganda-favouring method possible, had been suggested to Putin by one of his security apparatchiks I suspect the man would have been guarding ice floes in the Arctic within a few hours. ..."
"... And that's not even considering that this individual (Skripal) wasn't a thuggish, troublemaking fugitive from Russian justice like Litvinenko, but rather a former spy who had already been unmasked, tried and imprisoned by the Russians (his offence was considered so serious he got a whole 13 years), and then exchanged after a few years inside. He was considered so endangered by British intelligence that they didn't even bother hiding his identity, and his address was in the public domain. ..."
"... At this stage, only gross ignorance or dishonesty can explain anyone seriously claiming there's a rational motive for the Russian government to have done this. ..."
"... And by the same exact token, there's no reason to get breathless about the idea that it could have been one of the parties who are real beneficiaries of this propaganda surge -- any of the countries currently engaged in confrontation of Russia in Syria and elsewhere, or that criminal elements connected to the Russian exile "mafia" types could have obtained it from a lab in, say, Ukraine, or that some of the shadowy US and UK security state contacts involved in the campaign to overturn the election of Trump might have used it as a twofer – to get rid of Skripal if he had information they wanted kept secret and set the pretext for the currently ongoing campaign against Russia. ..."
"... All a lot more plausible than the idea that the Russian government was stupid enough to do this to itself, gratuitously ..."
Scenarios for operations are written by somebody. Possibly the same people who also write
screenplays for TV and Hollywood. We know many writers who worked for intelligence services
(Flemming, Greene, LeCarre.) In Six Days of Condor they wanted to keep the scenario secret
and have it removed form popular circulation in a thriller books. But here is opposite
situation. The operation is basically a psy-op so it is public where you want to convince
people that something happened. I can see a point of injecting it as movie drama first so it
will become more believable when it eventually happens. But still the simplest explanation of
laziness and plagiarism can't be excluded.
Others have already explained why Purin and cronies might decide now was a good time to
kill a traitor and be accused of it.
Nobody has yet credibly done so. When Putin's cruising to an easy win and the only concern
is whether the turnout is 60% or 70%, the claims he wants it for election purposes are pretty
stupid, and become untenable when you consider the very real diplomatic, propaganda and soft
power costs Russia will bear for this, and coming at a particularly bad time as well on
several counts, with Syria on a knife edge in relation to (even more) open US military
aggression, the NordStream II pipeline facing new attempts to block it, and the World Cup
coming up.
Frankly, if the idea of trying to murder someone in Britain, using a "wmd" in the most
hysteria-inducing propaganda-favouring method possible, had been suggested to Putin by one of
his security apparatchiks I suspect the man would have been guarding ice floes in the Arctic
within a few hours.
And that's not even considering that this individual (Skripal) wasn't a thuggish,
troublemaking fugitive from Russian justice like Litvinenko, but rather a former spy who had
already been unmasked, tried and imprisoned by the Russians (his offence was considered so
serious he got a whole 13 years), and then exchanged after a few years inside. He was
considered so endangered by British intelligence that they didn't even bother hiding his
identity, and his address was in the public domain.
At this stage, only gross ignorance or dishonesty can explain anyone seriously claiming
there's a rational motive for the Russian government to have done this.
Do I think Russia is involved with the Skripal hit? Of course. .Because of the poison
involved, they (Rus/Putin) almost certainly did it.
That's the poison that Porton Down declined to claim they could identify as having come
from Russia and were only prepared to say is "of a type developed by Russia"?
The poison that the main source for (a former Soviet dissident living in the US) put the
formulae for in his book published ten years ago, and who was quoted a few days ago as saying
that either Russia did it, or someone else who'd read his book?
Of course, exiled dissidents backing up the latest US propaganda campaign against their
former home's government is hardly anything new – that was one of the main methods by
which we were lied into the Iraq War. It's rather cutely naïve for one such to openly
admit that anybody else with the resources (such as the UK, the US or Israel, for a start,
and probably anybody else with access to state resources, such as Ukraine) could have
manufactured the supposedly incriminating substance over the past ten years.
So the idea that the particular chemical allegedly used is in the slightest evidence of
its origin is completely untenable. Nevertheless, that seems to be the only real piece of
"evidence" relied upon for the convenient rush to judgement by the usual suspects.
I just happen to be reading "Rise and Kill First" – the secret history of Israel's
targeted assassinations.
Roughly 700 pages of text and notes about one country's targeted killings so I'm really
not in a 'how could this be' frame of mind with regard to Russia.
Absolutely. And by the same exact token, there's no reason to get breathless about the
idea that it could have been one of the parties who are real beneficiaries of this propaganda
surge -- any of the countries currently engaged in confrontation of Russia in Syria and
elsewhere, or that criminal elements connected to the Russian exile "mafia" types could have
obtained it from a lab in, say, Ukraine, or that some of the shadowy US and UK security state
contacts involved in the campaign to overturn the election of Trump might have used it as a
twofer – to get rid of Skripal if he had information they wanted kept secret and set
the pretext for the currently ongoing campaign against Russia.
All a lot more plausible than the idea that the Russian government was stupid enough to do
this to itself, gratuitously.
bad faith and parochial bellicosity on the part of the all the major powers of the
time
Some of it sounds familiar, but not all. I was pointing out that there are major
differences between today and 1914, but it is extremely volatile and dangerous like then.
At least some in the West have made a decision to deal with Russia now before it gets
stronger. Or to create a much better 'defensive' perimeter for the future. Ukraine, Baltics
and probably Georgia, maybe Turkey have been lined up on Russia's border, with Nato bases and
soldiers. There was the failed attempt to push Russia out of its key Navy base in Crimea.
Syria war will go on to bleed and demoralise Russia, maybe in a few other places. Squeeze the
economy by financial isolation. Use media demonisation to create pressure on the Westernised
Russian elites.
Will that start a war like in 1914? That's where the differences come in. Russia cannot be
today described as ' bellicose ', and neither can large parts of the West. Only some
in the West are bellicose. Germany, Italy and to some extent France want to continue or even
increase business with Russia.
There is also no such thing as a traditional war between Russia and the West – it
would be over in 1-2 days (if that), basically a suicide. It could still happen, but we need
more events before we get there.
Yes, it certainly looks like a provocation, the "false flag" operation. The Brits and the Banks needed the US and the EU to join
the fight.
Notable quotes:
"... The most plausible goal of the whole "Operation Skripal" was poisoning UK-Russia relations and hopefully bringing the US and EU to impose new round of sanctions on Russia. In this sense it reminds Litvinenko case (which brought huge propaganda benefits to the UK and the hysteria lasted several months, if memory does not fail me). ..."
"... One thing I can't understand in "Operation Skripal" is how such an assassination (if we assume that this is an assassination) was accomplished. ..."
"... The gas (if it really exists, which is yet another question) supposedly is really deadly. If this was not gas but some substance infused with this agent (which would be extremely strange and risky method), you need to get it into the drinks, which means 100% chances of your detection. ..."
"... Moreover in case of the gas the difficulties look insurmountable -- to get it to the victim you need to mix components and shortly after spray it from a short distance, hoping the you mixed them correctly. The place where Skripals were found unconscious is a really bad place for such an exercise as there probably several cameras which record the events on the bench. ..."
"... So IMHO it looks like assassination without an assassin ..."
"... suggested traces of the opiate fentanyl -- a synthetic toxin many times stronger than heroin -- had been detected at the scene. ..."
Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best
he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia,
nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine
the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a
parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked (by a Russian sounding chemical weapon Novichok), and
denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk - Craig Murray has been most viciously attacked
for not accepting the official story without any evidence) and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Hermann Göring
That's a perfectly applicable variation of the famous quote.
The most plausible goal of the whole "Operation Skripal" was poisoning UK-Russia relations and hopefully bringing the US and
EU to impose new round of sanctions on Russia. In this sense it reminds Litvinenko case (which brought huge propaganda benefits
to the UK and the hysteria lasted several months, if memory does not fail me).
BTW exiled Russian oligarchs like Khodorkovski ( https://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html
) also could easily stage such a false flag operation using their interconnections with both Russia and Israel.
One thing I can't understand in "Operation Skripal" is how such an assassination (if we assume that this is an assassination)
was accomplished.
The gas (if it really exists, which is yet another question) supposedly is really deadly. If this was not gas but some
substance infused with this agent (which would be extremely strange and risky method), you need to get it into the drinks, which
means 100% chances of your detection.
Moreover in case of the gas the difficulties look insurmountable -- to get it to the victim you need to mix components
and shortly after spray it from a short distance, hoping the you mixed them correctly. The place where Skripals were found unconscious
is a really bad place for such an exercise as there probably several cameras which record the events on the bench.
Unless it was the daughter who did this (in this case authorities have definitely all the necessary evidence of the crime committed)
chances of an attacker to survive such an attack are slim, and changes not being recorded on one or more camera are virtually
non existent.
If there was a human assassin, he/she risks to be immediately dead or severely injured as even in minimal concentrations such
a gas reliably kills a person within two minutes or so. Antidote might help to survive, but how effective it is depends on the
dose you can get.
If some robotic disperser was used, then it will be found as unlike in case of an explosive device the activation does no destroy
it.
Also unclear why target the daughter, unless we are dealing with some botched amateur false flag operation in best traditions
of ISIS Syria false flag operations.
Moreover, Skripals spent around an hour on a bench in a comatose state and were helped by a doctor who was not affected in
any way. See timeline at
So IMHO it looks like assassination without an assassin . There are some absurd statements that the poison was spiked
in their drinks either in the pub or at the restaurant:
Later their collapse was used to stage a false flag operation, when in fact there was no any gas involved, and at this point,
a grandiose propaganda show with the decontamination of the area started.
Even if the Russian government had ordered Skripal's kidding, no way would they be so sloppy
as to spew toxins all over the place sickening innocent people. If the backward North Koreans
can do a targeted chemical-based assassination, the Russians certainly can. This is yet
another Anglo-Zionist insult against Russian technical knowhow.
We all know the KGB is smart and crafty and so is Putin. So for unknown reasons, they want to
kill a retired Russian spy living openly in London. Do these brilliant people choose to:
1. Use a dangerous nerve agent that must be smuggled into England, is easily traceable to
Russia, is dangerous to the assassin, and difficult to employ and ensure a kill?
Or:
2. Pay a desperate drug addict to club him on the head on the street and steal his
wallet?
Considering UK behavior towards Russia as a slap on face , Russia not only should but must
demand immediate release of all information available to UK on this case and samples. It
should be done in aggressive manner and backed by international law to which UK is a signer.
Someone must put the money where mouth is or shut up and go away .
The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior
Depends. If you have little or no prior behavior to go on, then social status can be a
good predictor as well.
The "higher" you go, the bigger the asshole*.
Trust me, I've experienced it aplenty.
Virtue cannot dwell with wealth either in a city or in a house.
-Diogenes of Sinope, quoted by Stobaeus, iv. 31c. 88
But if you will take note of the mode of proceedings of men, you will see that all those
who come to great riches and great power have obtained them either by fraud or by force;
and afterwards, to hide the ugliness of acquisition, they make it decent by applying the
false title of earnings to things they have usurped by deceit or by violence.
- Niccolo Machiavelli , HISTORY OF FLORENCE AND OF THE AFFAIRS OF ITALY, Book 3 chap
3Para 8
" wealth is no proof of moral character; nor poverty of the want of it. On the contrary,
wealth is often the presumptive evidence of dishonesty; and poverty the negative evidence
of innocence."
THOMAS PAINE, DISSERTATION ON FIRST-PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNMENT, 1795
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling
carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing
them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to
repudiate morality while laying claim to it ( ) To tell deliberate lies while genuinely
believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it
becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to
deny the existence of objective reality"
In an essay "The Decay of Lying" (1889), Oscar Wilde launched that famous sentence: "Life
imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life".
In November 2017 British TV presented the 6th session episode 5 of 'Strike Back", a
British/American action-adventure/spy-drama television series based on a novel of the same
name by novelist and former Special Air Service (SAS) soldier Chris Ryan. In it the Section
20 ("a secretive unit of British military intelligence, a team of special operations
personnel conducting several high risk missions across the globe") foiled a terrorist attack
with the gas Novichok made by Karim Markov, a Russian scientist who allegedly killed his
colleagues who invented the gas. The team duly trace the labs where Markov continues to
produce more Novichok, in Ukraine and Belarus. The cast is full with the assorted jihadis,
Russian Mafia bosses with their cruel henchmen, Hungarian white supremacists and nasty
Serbians.
You find summaries of the episodes
@https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Back:_Retribution
"It is strange that a British-American intelligence TV drama Strike Back had several
episodes featuring Novichok nerve agent and Evil Russkies last year. Someone orchestrating
political theater in the UK watches a lot of TV, or is advised by its producers."
Nobody will miss the fact that the countries which emitted the 'Joint statement' blaming
Russia's aggression are the countries which repeatedly aggressed and invaded Russia or allied
themselves with Russia's enemies. None of them were ever invaded by Russia but in pursuit of
the repelled invaders. None of them were ever threatened by a Russian invasion.
It took a long time for you to discover (in a 'commercial research') what was known for a
much longer time, the application of these principles in advertising and propaganda
'discovered' by Edward Bernays and exposed in his 'influential book' "Propaganda" 1928. One
of the techniques of propaganda is to make the recipients believe that the ideas instilled
in their heads were their own discovery.
It did not take me as long as you think. As a marketing and advertising
professional (with appropriate qualifications) I was always aware that emotional works better
than rational, but I never had an idea by how much. My most extreme supposition was 2/3 to
1/3. To end up 10:1, I never expected that.
It appears that such high proportion enables the government's/manipulators to silence the
rational fraction who oppose the dragging into a war. Without any firm evidence I do feel
that if the proportion was 2/3 to 1/3 then such manipulation, leading subjects often to mass
suicide, would not be possible.
Therefore, I posit that the human society consists of three strata:
"... How do you know Skripal was murdered? Even the British haven't claimed that. In fact we don't even know that Skripal was injured. There have been no photos, no medical statements, we are just expected to believe all the fake news. ..."
"There are only three scenarios explaining the murder of Skripal "
How do you know Skripal was murdered? Even the British haven't claimed that. In fact we
don't even know that Skripal was injured. There have been no photos, no medical statements,
we are just expected to believe all the fake news.
But hey, highly likely has become overwhelmingly likely so why should we quibble.
The very first announcement made by Boris Johnson after the alleged terrorist act on the
British soil was " British footballers will not attend the championship in Russia" -- before
(BEFORE!) any investigation has been conducted.
The UK still refuses to provide the
required-by-law materials to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapon.
The
whole "communication" with Russian re Skripal case has exposed a stunning incompetence of the
UK government across all departments, beginning with the incompetent Mrs. May and Mr. Johnson
and down to the US Sec of Def Gavin Williamson (a Diaper-Boy with the expertise in fine china
and ceramic countertops).
"... "Has high-resolution trace analysis been run on a sample of the nerve agent that revealed any evidence as to the location of its production or identity of its perpetrators? The government should work with the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons." ..."
Such a strong expression of righteousness from peterAUS -- and careful omission, a la
Quartermaster, of a simple fact articulated by Corbin:
"Has high-resolution trace analysis
been run on a sample of the nerve agent that revealed any evidence as to the location of its
production or identity of its perpetrators? The government should work with the Organization
for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons."
But the UK government refuses to provide samples to
the OPCW. Why, peterAUS?
Is it too much to ask for the evidence? Or you want to compete with
the soy-boy Gavin Williamson, the former seller of ceramic countertops? Perhaps you should
watch the BBC documentary about Gladio before making your allegedly righteous rants re Saker.
And please, spare us your ziocon' "defense" of Western society.
The Saker's most important theme in this article is that the whole Western so called
Civilization is built largely on the capacity to LIE, (IE not tell the truth when one knows
the truth). Lying is the most fundamentally destructive actions in any culture and in the
West it is not only essential for success it is revered. I am so disgusted with the West that
it is best for this charade and circus to come to an end, and it seems that the Lying Liars
as Al Franken called them years ago have internalized there own Bull $hit and believe it
absolutely. Yes, Johnny, you can put your hand on the red hot stove and nothing will happen.
Go ahead, put it on there and see!!! Dumber than Dirt and God Damn F-n Proud of it too!! The
new Western Motto!!
The former Soviet scientist, Vil Mirzanyanov, who 'blew the whistle' and wrote about the
'Novichoks', now lives in a $1 million home in the United States. The AFP news agency just
interviewed him about the recent incident:
Mirzayanov, speaking at his home in Princeton, New Jersey, said he is convinced Russia
carried it out as a way of intimidating opponents of President Vladimir Putin.
"Only the Russians" developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. "They kept
it and are still keeping it in secrecy."
The only other possibility, he said, would be that someone used the formulas in his book
to make such a weapon.
"Russia did it", says Mirzanyanov, "OR SOMEONE WHO READ MY BOOK".
The book was published in 2008 and is available at Amazon as hardcover, paperback or for
$8.16 as an electronic file. It includes a number of formulas which, Mirzanyanov says, could
be used to produce those chemical agents.
..But neither Porton Down nor the OPCW seem convinced that this is possible. They may
believe that Mirzanyanov is just full of it.
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has not recognized
Novichoks as chemical weapons because it found scant evidence that they exist at all. The
U.S. and the UK are both part of the organization and both agreed with this evaluation:
The name "Novichok" is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported
investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The
OPCW's Scientific Advisory Board states that it has insufficient information to comment on
the existence or properties of "Novichoks". (OPCW, 2013)
As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK's only
chemical weapons facility at Porton Down , a former colleague of Dr David Kelly,
published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence
of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown.
In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve
agents, 'Novichoks' (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of
the 'Foliant' programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive
countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly
originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent
confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. Robin
Black. (2016) Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal
Society of Chemistry
... I know about people who challenged the system and paid or are still paying the price.
Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, just to name a few of the most recognizable
names.
I know dozens of people who have left the US because of disagreements with its foreign
policy. They walk the walk and talk the talk.
Sure they are the minority because most people are conforming cowards or unthinking fools
who can be pulled on a boiled noodle. I have far more esteem for the members of that minority
though than for somebody who figures than spewing forth a couple of thousands words once a
week represents some form of serious resistance.
The French philosopher Alain Soral is quite right when he says that modern "journalists
are either unemployed or prostitutes"
An interesting observation. I will refrain from drawing any conclusions.
With "principles" such as the end justifies the means and the wholesale violation of the
Ten Commandants all "for the greater glory of God" the western civilization got cozy with
the idea that there was no real, objective truth
Excuse me? What about western civilization before the ten commandments? Was it better or
worse in your eyes? What's so damn special about your ten commandments that their (forced)
acceptance by westerners should mark some sort of magical beginning of the true western
civilization? So we had no morality of any kind before this?
I can think of other civilizations that have nothing – and I mean nothing – to
be proud of. They make us look like amateurs in the rejection of real, objective truth.
"... Ask this, "who is pathologically obsessed with execution by gas?" Who is spearheading the "Russia is Evil" propaganda campaign? ..."
"... If Russian leadership wanted KGB/FSB/GRU/SVR to kill him, they'd done it while the man was in Russia in their custody. He would have never left the Russian prison alive, and nobody would be wiser. ..."
"... He is just not that important, that is why he was let out in a swap after spending only a few years in jail. The orchestrated hysterics and the oversize overreaction by the NATO gang is clear tell that they are the one who did it. ..."
"... Do you remember the Wikileaks about CIA having hacking tools whereby they could spoof cyber attacks form their computers yet have the signature they came from Russia (or some other country)? ..."
"... There is nothing uniquely Russian about the poison. There are no unique poisons or nerve agents. Everybody has the same things. All is being said is that the nerve agent is military grade. And England is refusing to give samples to Russia for analysis, so we don't know what it is. ..."
"... why wouldn't FSB off him by simply clubbing him to death and making it look like a mugging gone wrong: why use a military grade nerve agent of all things. Ridiculous that _anyone_ believes Russians did it. ..."
"... Boris Johnson confirmed widespread suspicions that the attack on Skripal was part of a recycled WMD hoax to justify another U.S. war of aggression, this time in Syria instead of Iraq. ..."
Because of the poison involved, they (Rus/Putin) almost certainly did it. Just
because something like this is stupid doesn't mean it should be written off. Stupid things
happen.
As I constantly iterate, never attribute to complex conspiracy what can be easily
explained by gross stupidity. Look at the Billion plus followers of the lunatic ramblings of
a desert cave dwelling freak, or the State of Utah and Planet Kolob. But your Occam's Razor
analysis also fails the smell test.
If I want to assassinate someone, using a gas, in public, is about the dumbest way to go
about it. Russia may well have wanted to send a message "for the encouragement of others" not
to betray mother Russia, but why a gas rather than oral or injected poison? Why not the old
favorite of defenestration? Or a simple GSW using Russian manufactured firearm/ammo?
Ask this, "who is pathologically obsessed with execution by gas?" Who is spearheading
the "Russia is Evil" propaganda campaign?
If Russian leadership wanted KGB/FSB/GRU/SVR to kill him, they'd done it while the man was
in Russia in their custody. He would have never left the Russian prison alive, and nobody
would be wiser.
He is just not that important, that is why he was let out in a swap after spending only a
few years in jail. The orchestrated hysterics and the oversize overreaction by the NATO gang
is clear tell that they are the one who did it.
{Do I think Russia is involved with the Skripal hit? Of course.}
Based on what?
{Because of the poison involved, they (Rus/Putin) almost certainly did it.}
Really?
Do you remember the Wikileaks about CIA having hacking tools whereby they could spoof cyber
attacks form their computers yet have the signature they came from Russia (or some other
country)?
There is nothing uniquely Russian about the poison. There are no unique poisons or nerve
agents. Everybody has the same things. All is being said is that the nerve agent is military
grade. And England is refusing to give samples to Russia for analysis, so we don't know what
it is.
{Just because something like this is stupid doesn't mean it should be written off.
Stupid things happen}
Well, yeah: stupid things happen, and smart individuals sometimes do stupid things –
but almost always for a reason, even if their actions are stupid. This should be written off,
for a very simple reason: what is the Russian motivation? This guy was released in 2010. He
was arrested in 2004: whatever damage he caused was very long ago. Why would Russian
leadership risk almost certain exposure? for what?
And as poster [Meyer] posits above in #23, why wouldn't FSB off him by simply clubbing him
to death and making it look like a mugging gone wrong: why use a military grade nerve agent
of all things. Ridiculous that _anyone_ believes Russians did it.
Speaking of "great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies," in an article in the
Washington Post on Wednesday, Boris Johnson confirmed widespread suspicions that the
attack on Skripal was part of a recycled WMD hoax to justify another U.S. war of aggression,
this time in Syria instead of Iraq.
The fact that Prime Minister May has produced no evidence that Russia was behind the
attack on Skripal, and that Secretary of Defense Mattis admits he has no evidence the Syrian
government used sarin against its own people, doesn't deter Boris Johnson from blaming Russia
for chemical attacks in both England and Syria.
From Johnson's article:
How much easier does it become for a state [Russia] to deploy chemical weapons when its
government has already tolerated and sought to hide their use by others? I would draw a
connection between Putin's indulgence of Assad's atrocities in Syria and the Russian
state's evident willingness to employ a chemical weapon on British soil.
So a neocon-orchestrated Russiagate hoax merges with a neocon-orchestrated WMD hoax in
Syria. It's all coming together.
The neocon strategy of "regime change by jihadi" in Syria has failed, and they're now
forced to dust off the bogus WMD script that wreaked so much havoc on Iraq. Unfortunately for
the neocons, Vladimir Putin has decided that Russia has nothing to lose, and probably much to
gain, by taking a stand against imperialism now, in Syria, instead of later in Iran.
Now the world is both hostage and spectator to a game of nuclear chicken. If neither
player swerves in time, planet Earth dies.
If Trump orders a climb down, the neocons will impeach him for losing Syria. But more
appeasement by Putin would only embolden the neocons to further acts of aggression.
So Putin asks: "why do we need a world if Russia ceases to exist?" He is right to frame
the showdown in Syria as a fight for Russia's existence, and Trump knows it.
Trump will have to take his chances with Mueller and the neocon crazies. Maybe the neocons
will overplay their hand and bring about their own downfall, a happy outcome for all of
humanity.
"... the fact that freedom of speech is under threat shows that the rise of mere emotive speech is still a long way from dominant. Facts and logic can still be heard and make a difference. This is why the political media elite cannot tolerate reasoned evidenced argument and is so concerned to censor dissenting voices. ..."
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling
carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing
them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to
repudiate morality while laying claim to it ( )
To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has
become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from
oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality"
Whilst there is much to be said in favour of the argument, the fact that freedom of speech is
under threat shows that the rise of mere emotive speech is still a long way from dominant.
Facts and logic can still be heard and make a difference. This is why the political media
elite cannot tolerate reasoned evidenced argument and is so concerned to censor dissenting
voices.
Up until now, I was in favor of Putin trying to keep cool demeanor and be reasonable. Time
works in favor of Russia, so simply trying to wait the Western collapse out is not
unreasonable strategy. But with the West starting to resort to something as extreme as
poisoning its own lapdogs and blaming Russia for it without presenting a single shred of
evidence, it might be a good time to reconsider and join the escalation train in earnest.
If we are in the age of ultimatums, then Moscow may want to start issuing a few of its
own. One would be to warn the West about its intention to abandon START framework within a
year and ultimately rearm to Soviet levels – 20000 strategic warheads at a minimum.
Another would be to ask Syrian government to outsource its air-defense to Russia, then issue
blanket no-flight order to all aircraft not authorized by Damascus.
Third, start arming insurgencies around the world that struggle against NATO/US presence.
Fourth, eliminate USD and GBP from its trade completely. Fifth, consider formalizing military
alliance with Iran.
There are many more steps that Russia can undertake. But whatever it chooses to do, the
somnolent posture it maintained until yesterday is no more feasible.
Respectfully, I think what he means is something that I've learned to do in the last few
years in a rather automatic fashion. Namely, it's to realise that, in the immediate aftermath
of any event, it's best to just sit back and wait a bit before you come to any sort of
conclusion about blame. In the very short term, the water, the stream is very muddy and
clouded as anybody and everybody who has – or think that they have – an interest
in the event du jour tries to spin it to their own advantage.
The truth will reveal itself inasmuch as the Internet is the World's best fact checker.
The initial story will *always* be shown to have a good deal of exaggerations,
contradictions, anomalies and omissions. But those revelations take a (usually relatively
short) bit of time. So better to look at whatever the immediate story might be with a good
deal of patient skepticism and not immediately fly off the rails in a fit of hand-waving,
eye-rolling and pearl-clutching hysterics.
Do this consistently, and I think you'll discover that:
-The truth of the matter is usually gray, with plenty of blame to go around.
-And/or you're being fed a line of pandering BS by people who think that you're a naive
and trusting idiot.
In short, act like an adult and not a dimwitted child. Use your brain and not your
emotions.
Hope this helps.
Just a thought.
VicB3
P.S. A pithy thought from Mike Rivero:
If it doesn't affect you directly, then it's either advertising or propaganda.
Re: "Almost from day one, the early western civilization began by, shall we say, taking
liberties with the truth, which it could bend, adapt, massage and repackage to serve the
ideological agenda of the day. It was not quite the full-blown and unapologetic relativism of
the 19th century yet, but it was an important first step. With "principles" such as the end
justifies the means and the wholesale violation of the Ten Commandants all "for the greater
glory of God" the western civilization got cozy with the idea that there was no real,
objective truth, only the subjective perception or even representation each person might have
thereof."
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- –
Saker is a good military analyst, but as a historian he is a laughable dilettante. He is a
very self-righteous, touchy Orthodox Christian ideologue and moralist.
"... Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? ..."
Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his
life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?
Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that
matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who
determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is
a democracy or fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you
have to do is tell them they are being attacked (by a Russian sounding chemical weapon
Novichok), and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism
( https://www.craigmurray.org.uk – Craig Murray has
been most viciously attacked for not accepting the official story without any evidence) and
exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
This excerpt has a mainstreaming for the Western mainstream media elites dynamic:
" My point here is not to exonerate Putin or Russia for the many bad things that he (and we) has perpetrated. Plenty of
people have died in Syria and Ukraine as the result of his decisions. Russia's history with its European neighbors to the West
has been checkered at best, and I can more than understand the fear and apprehension with which peoples in the Baltic States,
Poland and other countries view any sort of resurgence or posturing ."
****
Plenty more people might've died in Ukraine and Syria without Putin's action. Poland has had its own aggressive past with Russia
– granted that Russia has had the overall upper hand. Besides Poland, some other parts of central/eastern Europe have been strategically
used against Russia, over the course of history.
From elsewhere, here's another piece favoring Putin:
" Scott Shane's February 17 New York Times article 'Russia Isn't the Only One Meddling in Elections – We Do It, Too', distinguishes
the US and Russian activity in question by claiming that American actions are done for a good cause unlike Russia – a thought
shared by former CIA Director James Woolsey. Shane's piece notes the US role in influencing the 1996 Russian presidential election,
without noting an otherwise glaring particular. Many generally believe that the US government intervention in that vote (whether
you want to describe it as direct or indirect) tipped the balance in favor of Boris Yeltsin.
Yeltsin went on to appoint Vladimir Putin as his successor. If one accepts the US role as the deciding factor in the 1996 Russian
presidential election, I wholeheartedly welcome that move which enabled Putin to become Russian president – something that very
well might not have happened if Yeltsin didn't win in 1996."
"My point here is not to exonerate Putin or Russia for the many bad things that he (and we) has perpetrated. Plenty of people
have died in Syria and Ukraine as the result of his decisions. Russia's history with its European neighbors to the West has been
checkered at best, and I can more than understand the fear and apprehension with which peoples in the Baltic States, Poland and
other countries view any sort of resurgence or posturing."
I see where it is all coming from. So, the only position Russia is allowed is doggy style butt up?
History like normal history not much different in this respect form majority. USA seems to have checkered history with practically
the rest of the world and caused millions deaths by now and so what? So are other countries in Europe and Asia.
Russia is denied by the author legitimate right to defend her legitimate interests.
I basically sense same school of thought with minor variations as Anatoly Karlin's minus mammoths on Russian plain of course.
So, the best critical information that UNZ can provide is a Russian, who doesn't know and understand Russia today. This is not
really promoting UNZ as an interesting site. – I am a Danish sociologist, who have collected some information that better explains,
why most Russians think that Putin is the absolutely best choice today.
http://homosociologicus.com/russia --
critical-information
"... Iraq is a country, in which, even the most pro-American Iraqis (outside of the Kurdish dominated region), will, at this very moment (2017.09.28.17h03 NA EDT) be 100% deciding that they have been screwed! And not very nicely, at that. ..."
First of all, thank you Andrei Martyanov for the very informative analysis/article. Also, thank you Ron Unz for this supporting
addendum.
I am very much interested in further information concerning the U.S. military establishments seeming (increasingly alluded
to) weak assessment/intelligence of Russian military capability, especially armaments.
Iraq is going to be a topic of (likely dramatically) increasing heat and attention (in the uncensored press which reports on
the issues that are the most important to everyone alive, like this web site). The 'referendum' in the Kurdish dominated area
of Iraq will make the 24 month long reverse polarization of Turkey (from NATO/US partner to Russian partner) look like an indecisive
epic.
If anyone thought the 'war' in Iraq was going poorly for the Americans before, 'they ain't seen nothing yet'! Also, the passing
the point of no return for Turkey; they've had enough lies and disingenuous promises from the Euroangangstas; their future association
to the U.S. and (western) Europe will be exclusively from the Eurasian-centric multi-polar world perspective, under which they
will prosper as well or better than they ever have before.
Iraq is a country, in which, even the most pro-American Iraqis (outside of the Kurdish dominated region), will, at this
very moment (2017.09.28.17h03 NA EDT) be 100% deciding that they have been screwed! And not very nicely, at that.
With all of this Russiaphobia (let us not forget that this emanating as a deflection from the revelations a corrupt candidate
who was cheating to win a party's nomination for the U.S. presidential candidate), it is highly politically incorrect to reference
how far ahead V. Putin's geopolitical movement is compared to the west, especially the civil war crippled U.S.A..
One can see so much thoughtfulness and 'communication' in the completely unnecessary flight path, through Iraq of the
bombers delivering their payloads. In fact, it could be the most telling aspect of the entire operation!
Iraq is lost to the western empire.
Unfortunately, the response to on-ground western-empire supported aggression in the Kurdish-dominated region of Iraq, and likely
in other Kurdish dominated middle eastern regions (outside of Iran), will like be decisive and therefore brutal (but, alas, understandable).
The event develop under scenario, which is very close to Litvinenko poisoning and MH17
investigation. Both now are suspected to be false flag operation to demonize Russia.
How about conducting a chemical WMD strike in the heart of U.K? How about Mr. Putin,
O.J. Simpson style, saying "I didn't do it" while at the same time saying "the man deserves
to die." How about poisoning a British police officer who did his duty to render aid along
with about 20 other people? How about that even if the victims, your traitor along with
innocent U.K. citizens survive the immediate effects, they can become permanently disabled
and end up in a nursing home with people having to feed you and clean you up?
How about you admitting that you have not a shred of credible evidence for all your
hysterical hyperventilation about this trivial incident?
How about you admitting that you cannot produce any remotely credible motivation for
Russia doing this, when the costs to Russia of increased confrontation will massively
outweigh any possible gains?
The only suggestions that the Russians were responsible for the incident come from exactly
the same kinds of people who told us about Iraq's WMD and the supposed Libyan humanitarian
emergency. And yes, about supposed suicidal Syrian government uses of chemical weapons that
are conveniently just big enough to provide their enemies with yet another big stick to beat
them with, but not enough to give them any material advantage.
Basically your idea is that the Syrians and Russians do these things just because they
can, because in your opinion they are evil and stupid. And simultaneously, of course, so
fiendishly cunning that they are threats to the world if not suppressed.
God bless Putin and Russia for standing against the Zionist NWO
You are correct Desert Fox. The prime variable in history is economics. Economics before
politics and before war.
Our illuminist friends manipulate the strings of international bank capital for their one
world government. In effect, the West has been infested with a tiny cadre of plutocrats, who
operate a usury mechanism to extract wealth from host peoples and nations.
Russia was to be broken up into parts. ((Harvard boys)) came to the 'rescue" and
privatized Russia with various schemes, the most important of which was to saddle Russian's
with "dollar" debts. Russians as hewers of wood and drawers of water, were to sell their
"earth" in exchange for finished dollar priced goods. Middle Class Russian labor is then cut
out of wealth production inherent in making finished goods. For example, Russian platinum is
used to make high value catalytic converters elsewhere, while only a few Russian's get
wealthy (in dollar terms) by poking holes in Russian land to extract minerals. Former Russian
nuclear scientists walk around drunk as they are not fit for being good labor to extract oil,
platinum, etc.
In effect, our ((friends)) turned Russia into African economy, never mind that Russian's
aren't African's. This desire to rape and pillage the earth, to then take rents on the world,
to then think of yourselves as god (note a little g) is a sophisticated, yet criminally
insane method akin to parasitism.
Russian's were infested by parasites, and yet Russian people as hosts have become stronger
year on year, to eject their parasite. Putin was instrumental in this transformation.
All nationalist economies in the past, which had the temerity to eject these parasites
have come under attack. I'm thinking Nazi Germany as well – oh the horror. This
economic attack is often under the guise of liberalism, which has a knock on effect of
breaking down civil society. In other words, liberalism is a symptom of parasitic financial
oligarchy (and illuminism) a control method to make a host weak, to then be re-colonized.
Russia DOES need to take full control of its Central Bank and eject its fifth columnists
(atlantacists), a final act that hasn't been done yet. On this point, it is factual and fair
to criticize Putin, because once Russian's have their own money power, they can accelerate
even faster. http://www.sovereignmoney.eu
Jeepers Cripes, y'all need to get a room and ass-hammer it out!
Latter Day America, there are no pristine people to choose from to populate any goddamned post in government, period! Everybody
has baggage, everybody is compromised.
This is the latter days of Rome 2.0 dipshits, got it? It is why one batch of clowns find it impossible to see one thing Trump
(or anybody in any country...except Czar Valdimir Putin in Russia...for whatever reason...default/nobody else to pick...when the
real answer even there is none of the above though many people refuse to see it) can do right and while the other batch is mystified
at those incapable of seeing (albeit sometime thin) distinctions between evils in the era of this-is-as-good-as-it'll-get. Cue
the inevitable endless circle jerk.
Trump, and all of DC have as much power to affect what is coming as a flea does trying to bench press 300 lbs. Those of them
who are aware of the true situation are scared shit less. Pompeo's appointment is just validating what is really about to come
down! When they can't intimidate the public into submission, they will try using a club.
Thanks for saying that. I detest Clinton and I want JUSTICE for what the evil treasonous psychopaths did in 2016, but I also
know Bibi and MBS have Trump on a short leash and Islamaphobes fill his home and cabinet.
The soft coup is now complete and a war with Iran inevitable.
Military Contractors have 400 lobbyists, revolving doors with military officers and
civilian officials, jobs in congressional districts; plus, corporations and their employees
contribute to election campaigns. Most importantly, they are part of the connected elite. You
are groomed to succeed and are paid handsomely if you belong to their exclusive club.
Unfortunately, today the system is corrupt and the global establishment has absolutely no
concern for the well-being of American citizens.
Blaming Russia for the 2016 election and Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatening U.S. troops in
Manjib Syria are signs of the House of Cards collapsing around us.
Until recently I considered these nonsense, after reading a nearly hour to hour
description on how the emperor could end the war, I had to change my view.
Have you read Racing the Enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the Surrender of Japan by
Tsuyoshi Hasegawa, a Japanese-American historian who was apparently the first to make
significant use of documents from all 3 countries (Russia, Japan, USA). His basic conclusion
is that:
Rather, what decisively changed the views of the Japanese ruling elite was the Soviet
entry into the war. It catapulted the Japanese government into taking immediate action. For
the first time, it forced the government squarely to confront the issue of whether it
should accept the Potsdam terms. In the tortuous discussions from August 9 through August
14, the peace party, motivated by a profound sense of betrayal, fear of Soviet influence on
occupation policy, and above all by a desperate desire to preserve the imperial house,
finally staged a conspiracy to impose the "emperor's sacred decision" and accept the
Potsdam terms, believing that under the circumstances surrendering to the United States
would best assure the preservation of the imperial house and save the emperor.
The quote above is from an article of his replying to some of his critics.
I read
Japan's Decision to Surrender
Robert J. C. Butow
A day to day description of what went on in the critical days, sometimes by the hour, or by
minute.
I cannot completely accept the above quote.
What was at the time the ruling elite ?
Since the mid or early thirties the military ruled Japan.
The fanatical military were prepared to wage war on the Japanese mainland, accepting 20
million deaths.
The Okinawa ratio US Japanese deaths was, from memory, 7000 to 150000.
If one accepts this ratio continuing the war with an invasion on the mainland this would have
cost over 900.000 USA deaths.
Therefore the concept of unconditional surrender was left, as had been the case in
Italy.
And about imposing, the emperor played an active role in ending the war, risking his own
life.
Even after the recording had been made of the emperor announcing, in not too explicit terms,
the surrender, by radio, the very first time Japanese heard his voice, fanatics tried to get
hold of the recording.
As I stated, the two atomic bombs, plus the annihilation of the Kwantung army, made it
possible.
"... The bloodthirsty neocons are dangerous fools. At least the Japanese Imperial Forces wore uniforms and flew their flag when attacking, even if a sneak attack. Neocons are silent killers of their host. ..."
Our military record is not so great. Russia, on the other hand, has held its lands for a
millennia. The only war we (the USA) have truly won since the War of 1812 was the Pacific
Theater of WWII. Everything else was done by others (WWII European Theater was mostly Russian
work), or a miserable stand-off (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan) or a totally unnecessary fiasco
(War Between The States, WWI, Iraq ) such that "winning" was no benefit to the "victor".
You might say the Mexican War gave us some good territory but the Mexicans are winning
their Reconquista invasions while we sleep and dilly dally.
The bloodthirsty neocons are dangerous fools. At least the Japanese Imperial Forces
wore uniforms and flew their flag when attacking, even if a sneak attack. Neocons are silent
killers of their host.
Neocons are like clogged arteries -- you know they will be a problem but failing to
comprehend the danger, that heart attack can occur most unexpectedly, killing the host.
You know you need to clean the crud out of those clogged arteries but you just don't do
what is needed to clean out and become safe.
There is one way this could all happen naturally: I think it's possible that the most
idiotic conspiracy theorists are flocking to alternative websites that are dissenting from
The Narrative. The Unz Review (probably also RT and other sites) is an obvious candidate for
such spontaneous activity. But yes, there's a possibility that some conscious effort is made
to make these websites look bad.
One interesting thing I noticed is that some 8-10 years ago I spent a lot of time debating
911 truthers. I found a number of websites dedicated to debunking conspiracy theories. The
strange thing is, just a couple of years ago, I tried to search for some information on 911,
and basically it appeared from Google and YouTube searches as if the debunking (anti-truther)
websites have greatly decreased in visibility. I needed to do targeted searches on them (and
even so, the results always contained a large number of the truther websites or videos) to
find them. I once debated a "moderate" 911 truther guy. He basically believed most of the
official narrative (i.e. that Osama did it), except he thought either that Osama was a CIA
agent or patsy or that at least he was allowed to proceed by TPTB. He thought that the
idiotic conspiracy theories (the "controlled demolition" crowd or the more extreme "the
planes were holograms") were actually spread by the CIA (or some other similar organization)
in order to crowd out the more intelligent questions about the event. Basically, most people
think that either the official narrative is true to a dot or it's a controlled demolition.
Now I happen to more or less believe the official narrative on 911, but it was an interesting
thought, and could be applied to other things.
It is interesting to think about. There are many unknowns. How many people just visit and
read the articles without paying attention to the comments? (Of course we have quite a few
above the fold articles that match or exceed the bizarreness of the comments). I check
several sites and have never even read the comments at most of them. I only read a few of the
contributors at Unz and regularly comment at fewer still. I am impressed by many of the
knowledgeable comments that can be found here. One has to wade through quite a bit of muck to
get to the worthwhile stuff. (I am sure some feel the same about some of my comments,
especially when I am down in the muck wrestling with the pigs.)
Back to the particulars of your comment. Would the CIA be interested in sowing distrust of
alternative media and limiting its distribution and influence? I can see where they would
have an interest. As in, if everyone had complete trust in someone, say like Uncle Walter,
then it would be simple enough to see that Uncle Walter got the material that you wanted him
to have. If we have anarchy in the media and the populace's trust is all over the place then
peddling the influence that you want would be complicated. You couldn't just drop a Tonkin
Gulf incident into the hopper and get the predictable results that you used to be able to get
with minimal effort.
Just in case they have their eye on you and your interlocutors, I'm putting my hat back
on.
Read "Solving 911″ by Christopher Bollyn. It gives very good details and names about
the who and why of 911. Buildings falling in their footprints, thin skinned passenger planes
going through thick steel framed towers (3 of them), passport of "hijacker" in the dust --
obviously we are not getting the full picture in our MSM.
There's some speculation, based on the timing and the targeting, that the recent Russian
cruise missile attacks in Idlib may have targeted US SOF in retaliation for Deir Ezzor and
northern Hama. The US couldn't respond because to do so would be an admission that SOF are
working with HTS and HTS-supporting groups.
Notable quotes:
"... Russian military thinking seems to have reached the point now where the idea of using force intentionally in conflicts with peer-state adversaries has been almost completely ruled out. This seems a radical move. But there has been a clear recognition within this military that better strategic outcomes for Russia will result from the use of non-violent 'asymmetric warfare' activities rather than those which will or can involve the use of force -- such as conventional war or hybrid warfare. ..."
"... There's some speculation, based on the timing and the targeting, that the recent Russian cruise missile attacks in Idlib may have targeted US SOF in retaliation for Deir Ezzor and northern Hama. The US couldn't respond because to do so would be an admission that SOF are working with HTS and HTS-supporting groups. ..."
Russia defends the JCPOA but Israel and USA wants to renege on it. Russia agreed to
General Soleiman's request to provide support for Syria. Russia and Iran are under economic
sanctions from you know who and barter oil and gas in non dollar trade. Russia nixed
Netanyahoo's request to keep Iran and PMUs or Hezbollah out of Quneitra. But according to you
Russia is big bad wolf and Iran is sheep.
The skin is quite real. Russia is learning lessons and prefer to fight enemies as far as
possible before they attack or destabilize Russia proper. This whole article and stand off
weapons is about Russia trying to fight enemies from a far and preventing threats from
materializing destroying them before too late.
All the talk of technical specs and capabilities of the various weapons systems are above my
pay grade, but my worst fears have been realized and it seems the U.S. and Israel are trying
to provoke Russia into a reaction that will justify wider war for the purpose of "securing
the realm". Things in Syria were not to Israel's liking and Syria will not be bifurcated nor
does it appear that a puppet leader subservient to America and Israel will supplant Assad.
This is probably why Israel attacked a Hezbollah position recently so they could stir
things up a bit and try to regain some momentum towards their ultimate objective. Israel
knows it can start another military conflagration then quietly exit the scene with little
cost to itself while their American vassal will take over and do the rest. And if America
doesn't take the bait then Izzy's innumerable agents in the media and Congress will scream
anti-semitism and moan about how the president has turned his back on our greatest ally in
the region until the desired outcome is achieved.
Agree. In the long run the best thing for Iran is to stop its military involvement in
Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon; and limit its relations to culture and economy. Iranian military
coming into battle with American forces in these countries is no good for Iran. Furthermore,
eventually Iraqis and Syrians will rebel against Iranian domination of their countries
despite their religious affinities to Iran. That is the nature of the nation state. Iranians
should be smart enough to understand this. It is a question of when to begin the
withdrawal.
" the Zionist warmongers are going to destroy America and in case of war with Russia both
nations will be destroyed ."
You nailed it that is the plan! Stack up the best and brightest of the Caucasian males
against each other, Nato vs. Russia , with modern weapons they will most effectively wipe out
each other.They are the only ones who can hinder the plan of NWO. , so they have to be
discarded. the remaining goyims will be forcefully crossbred , and microchiped , hence NWO.
Nirvana for some lunatics , humanity for none.
Ok, what you say is true -- there has been no proof of S400 capabilities. This may be:
A) because Russia did not want to reveal its capabilities in the heavily monitored Syrian
military theater, to avoid giving US and Israel a chance to develop counter measures
B) because they could not find a volunteer, such as you, till now who is willing to verify
how poor the performance of S400 is by flying a military plane into its defensive zone.
Perhaps, the Russians also wanted to know how effective S400 would be in detecting F22
Raptors flying from Incirlik. Smaller Radar Cross Section typically means only detection at a
reduced distance, not invisibility as the US MIC marketing says. This could have been an even
more important task, relevant to the whole of mother Russia, than defending the Russian
contingent in Syria.
It depends on your war scenario. A US carrier hit by Iran might make its way home and be
repaired. That was how the US Navy operated in WW2 before armored flight decks. Interestingly
the British carriers operating off Okinawa absorbed kamikazi attacks and stayed on station
while the wooden flight decks on American carriers were not so robust.
Today in a major war I tend to believe you go to war with what you have on day one and who
can hit hardest in the first few days will prevail. There will be no time to move factories
beyond the Urals or create an 'Arsenal of Democracy' out of range of enemy attack. In that
scenario a carrier becomes, like everything else, an expendable platform.
One of the parties involved gotta be sane to avoid really bad things happening. It is
Russia. You have to have similar historical experience and cultural background to understand
and appreciate wisdom and restrain. Otherwise we all would have been like chimps throwing
crap at each other at smallest cause, except we can throw a lot more dangerous things than
doing.
the American brand is just more attractive. Sorry, comrades.
When go for it. You leaders, however, appear to be smarter and understand better what
usually happens to the ones choosing such "attractive brand".
A strong and independent Iran is completely unpalatable to Russia. Why do you think
Russia is in Syria? Because an Iranian gas pipeline to Europe would undermine Russian
energy hegemony over Europe.
Of course. And that is precisely why Russia was instrumental in pushing that Iranian
agreement through, the agreement that would lift the Iranian sanctions and allow Iran to sell
its oil again. BTW your "attractive brand" people are trying their damnedest to renege on
that deal.
Why does nutty yahoo fly to Moscow with meetings with Putin? Because they need to
communicate securely.
If you mean Netanyahu, then of course he did want to meet in secret, because he tried to
convince Putin to boot Iran out of Syria. Israel is getting positively hysterical about the
Iranian presence in Syria. Iran, in case you haven't noticed, has not just the US but also
Israel as its enemy. Putin, however, sent Netanyahu on his way. Russia maintains reasonably
friendly relations with Israel but not about to let Israel dictate its actions.
Its now standard on the PLAN 052D and coordinated with their versions of AEGIS. The world
doesn't stop developing weapons just because the US has gone dumb, you know.
I believe that an old saying with regards to Russian forces is that they are slow to
saddle up but they ride very fast. This is advice to take to heart based on historical events
alone.
Agree. Don't know for sure, but having operated in that military-legislative influence
sphere for a time, I'd almost guarantee that this $700B defense increase was driven by the
"surprise" effectiveness of Russian weapons systems. I'd bet that it's almost exclusively an
RDTE increase on top of the ongoing O&M war fighting (re: imperial) budget structure of
the last 15 years. It's been zero sum between those two categories, but I suspect now that's
no longer the case.
Tomahawk is a dog slow museum piece. There is strong evidence that the Russians 'splashed'
the first batch of Tomahawks fired at the Syrian airbase and that is why they had to fire a
second batch. I think Russia 'EW' capabilities are not fully known and understood.
I don't think I would want to be on any US naval assets and have to try and shoot down
multiple missiles. As one strategist commented – there are targets and there are subs.
The article did not mention that these missiles can be launched in a number of ways –
from land, sea, under the sea and from the air and outside the defensive capabilities of the
intended targets.
How ironic. Meanwhile looks like that it has been working just fine for Rusian side which
deployed miniscule resources in the region. The thing is that outcome pretty much confirms
who is right and who is wrong. There is also no need to make rush moves at the moment. Things
are going in right direction. It is not dick swinging contest if you have not noticed.
They're both 800 lb gorillas, the only difference is the Russian gorilla is fluent in six
languages and reads Tolstoy and Pushkin while the American gorilla has type 2 diabetes, a
sixth grade education and spends its day jerking off to internet porn.
Russian military thinking seems to have reached the point now where the idea of
using force intentionally in conflicts with peer-state adversaries has been almost
completely ruled out. This seems a radical move. But there has been a clear recognition
within this military that better strategic outcomes for Russia will result from the use of
non-violent 'asymmetric warfare' activities rather than those which will or can involve the
use of force -- such as conventional war or hybrid warfare.
Asymmetric warfare, of course, and in a nutshell, is a method of warfare employed by the
weak against the strong where the former seeks to level the battlefield with the latter.
The weaker party, using its own relative advantages, attempts to turn the strengths of its
opponent into vulnerabilities, which can then be exploited. The means used are ones which,
in essence, cannot be used in return -- reciprocated -- by the target ('asymmetrical' means
that which cannot be mirror-imaged). Fundamentally, asymmetric warfare is all about
activity that, rather than bludgeoning a target into strategic, operational and tactical
defeats, actually manipulates it into them. And it is all done, ideally, with no use of
force. As Sun Tzu, the 'father' of asymmetric thinking, told us, the acme of skill in the
conduct of warfare is to defeat the adversary without the use of any force. See, for
instance my book titled Asymmetric Warfare: Threat and Response in the 21st Century.
[...]
Other articles present similar arguments for the use of asymmetric warfare by the
Russian military. The overall message for this military, and as the influential military
newspaper Red Star (Krasnaya Zvezda) summed up last year, is that when it comes to the
conduct of warfare in the current era, 'The main emphasis must be placed on asymmetrical
means and methods'.
The principal aim of Russian asymmetric warfare is to create degrees of destabilisation
(destabilizatsiya) within targeted states and within collectives of targeted states (e.g.
NATO, EU). A target that is destabilised (in whatever sense) is one that, in Russian
military thinking, is more susceptible to Russian leverage, i.e. it can be manipulated more
easily.[...]
Conventional military assets are still needed, of course. But these days they may be
seen to be acting in a supporting role for the asymmetric warfare campaign against NATO
interests. Their outwardly sabre-rattling movements, deployments and activities are seen as
means of creating 'indirect leverage' that can, in turn, manipulate western actors into
making counter moves that actually suit Moscow's purposes.
The Russian military is now also employing asymmetric warfare methods that these western
actors find very difficult to retaliate against on a like-for-like basis -- reciprocity is
largely denied. Russian democracy has become very much a 'managed' one and this closes down
many avenues of retaliation. Russia is also not open to cyber attack in the same way that
western states are and defences in the country are more pronounced.
The Russian military can and is using non-violent asymmetric means to considerable
strategic advantage against NATO. They are, wherever one looks, destabilising and
manipulating to good effect. Given this continuing situation and the strategic results that
are patently being produced in NATO countries, why would the Russian military need to
consider the conventional use of force? What utility does it have?
No. You're thinking about the former Soviet Union. Russia is not the same thing. Also no,
the USA military exists for no other purpose than profit making. It is the most corrupt on
earth by its definition. The pentagon pays thousands of dollars for a bolt which exists with
the same part number in a GM catalogue for less than ten dollars. That was years old but
typical of the utter joke the US military is. Did we forget the 6 trillion dollars the
Pentagon lost the day before 9/11 in 2001? Or the more recent announcement of a similar
amount LOST? Nobody else even has a budget the size of the missing money in the US one.
Russia is very corrupt in some ways -- but it has cleaned up on the military side.
Remember that the US is only less corrupt because we define lobbying to be legal.
It's excellent propaganda and a great movie about the early Soviet Program. Actually a
better space themed movie since I don't know when, maybe since Appolo 13. Which ironically is
the American version.
There's an understandable post-Soviet tendency in the US sphere to discount Russian
capabilities in terms of high tech weapons.
There could be books written about the complete failure of the US to foresee Russia's
achievement of parity+ with the West in advanced weaponry. The Donald Cook incident in 2014
gave a shock about Russian EW capabilities on the order of the shock the U2 incident gave
about Soviet air defense capabilities. Something quietly queered the TLAM attack on the
Syrian airbase earlier this year. The image that the US kept of Russia was left over from the
1980s, that the Soviet Army was a mighty but unwieldy big iron force with plenty of firepower
but wanting in capabilities related to advanced technology. During the first Chechen War in
1996, the Russian Army was referred to in US media as a "glorified Third World army." That's
an exact quote. The performance of Soviet-designed aerial weaponry, largely during the
mideast wars of 1973 to 1982, gave a distinct impression of a disadvantage related to
avionics. But that may have been misleading, as the performance of export aircraft could have
been inferior to that of the home fleet. Either the US estimate of Soviet technology in the
1980s was way off or post-Soviet Russia developed advanced technology at a remarkable pace,
even more so since it occurred during such chaotic times.
There's some speculation, based on the timing and the targeting, that the recent
Russian cruise missile attacks in Idlib may have targeted US SOF in retaliation for Deir
Ezzor and northern Hama. The US couldn't respond because to do so would be an admission that
SOF are working with HTS and HTS-supporting groups.
"... "Christopher Steele the man behind the Trump dossier: how the ex-spy tried to warn the world about Trump's ties to Russia" ..."
"... Mayer tries to take the high road by asserting that the Republicans are "trying to take down the intelligence community." It is an odd assertion coming from her as she has written a book called "The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals," ..."
"... A Steele friend describes the man as a virtual Second Coming of Jesus, for whom "fairness, integrity and truth trump any ideology." Former head of MI-6 and Steele boss Sir John Dearlove, who once reported how the intelligence on Iraq had been "sexed-up" and "fixed around the policy" to make the false case for war, describes Steele as "superb." ..."
"... Former CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin, who himself was involved in lying to support America's journey into Iraq, similarly sees Steele as honest and credible in his claims, while a former CIA Station Chief in Moscow is called upon to cast aspersions on the "Russian character" that impels them to engage in lies and deception. ..."
"... Another major blooper in the Mayer story relates to how one unnamed "senior Russian official" reported that the Kremlin had blocked the appointment of Mitt Romney, a noted critic of Russia, as secretary of state. How exactly that was implemented is not clear from the Steele reporting and there has been no other independent confirmation of the allegation, but Mayer finds it credible, asserting that "subsequent events could be said to support it." What events? one might ask, though the national media did not hesitate and instead reported Mayer's assertion as if it were itself a credible source in a forty-eight hour news cycle frenzy relating to Romney and Trump. ..."
"... Steele's work history also raises some questions. He served in Moscow as a first tour officer for MI-6 under diplomatic cover from 1990 to 1993. Russia was in tumult and Mayer describes how "Boris Yeltsin gained ultimate power, and a moment of democratic promise faded as the KGB -now called the FSB-reasserted its influence, oligarchs snapped up state assets, and nationalist political forces began to emerge." Not to go into too much detail, but Mayer's description of Russia at that time is dead wrong. Yeltsin was a drunkard and a tool of American and European intervention and manipulation. He was no agent of "democratic promise" and only grew more corrupt as his time in office continued into the completely manipulated election of 1996, when the IMF and U.S. conspired to get him reelected so the looting, a.k.a. "democratization," could go on. Mayer goes on to depict in negative terms a "shadowy" former "KGB operative" Vladimir Putin who emerged from the chaos. ..."
"... Sweeping judgements by Mayer also include "[Steele's] allegation that the Kremlin favored Trump in 2016 and was offering his campaign dirt on Hillary has been borne out. So has his claim that the Kremlin and WikiLeaks were working together " As noted above, the WikiLeaks/Kremlin allegations have not been demonstrated, nor have the claims about Kremlin provision of information to discredit Hillary, who was doing a find job at the time discrediting herself. ..."
"... Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]. ..."
The latest salvo in the Russiagate saga is a 15,000 word New Yorker article entitled "Christopher Steele the man behind the Trump
dossier: how the ex-spy tried to warn the world about Trump's ties to Russia" by veteran
journalist Jane Mayer. The premise of the piece is clear from the tediously long title, namely
that the Steele dossier, which implicated Donald Trump and his associates in a number of high
crimes and misdemeanors, is basically accurate in exposing an existential threat posed to our
nation by Russia. How does it come to that conclusion? By citing sources that it does not
identify whose credibility is alleged to be unimpeachable as well as by including testimony
from Steele friends and supporters.
In other words, the Mayer piece is an elaboration of the same "trust me" narrative that has
driven the hounding of Russia and Trump from day one. Inevitably, the Trump haters both from
the left and the right have jumped on the Mayer piece as confirmation of their own presumptions
regarding what has allegedly occurred, when, in reality, Trump might just be more right than
wrong when he claims that he has been the victim of a conspiracy by the Establishment to
discredit and remove him.
Mayer is a progressive and a long-time critic of Donald Trump. She has written a book
denouncing "the Koch brothers' deep influence on American politics" and co-authored another
book with Jill Abramson, formerly Executive Editor of the New York Times.
Abramson reportedly carries a small plastic replica of Barack Obama in her purse which she
can take out "to take comfort" whenever she is confronted by Donald Trump's America. Mayer's
New Yorker bio-blurb describes her as a journalist who covers national security,
together with politics and culture.
The problem with the type of neo-journalism as practiced by Mayer is that it first comes to
a conclusion and then selects the necessary "facts" to support that narrative. When the
government does that sort of thing to support, one might suggest, a war against Iraq or even
hypothetically speaking Iran, it is called cherry picking. After the facts have been cherry
picked they are "stovepiped" up to the policy maker, avoiding along the way any analysts who
might demur regarding the product's veracity. In journalistic terms, the equivalent would
perhaps be sending the garbage up directly to a friendly editor, avoiding any fact check.
Mayer tries to take the high road by asserting that the Republicans are "trying to take
down the intelligence community." It is an odd assertion coming from her as she has written a
book called "The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned into a War on
American Ideals," a development which was pretty much implemented by the intelligence
community working hand-in-hand with Congress and the White House. But she is not the first
liberal who has now become a friend of CIA, the FBI and the NSA as a response to the greater
threat allegedly posed by Donald Trump.
A Steele friend describes the man as a virtual Second Coming of Jesus, for whom
"fairness, integrity and truth trump any ideology." Former head of MI-6 and Steele boss Sir
John Dearlove, who once reported how the intelligence on Iraq had been "sexed-up"
and "fixed
around the policy" to make the false case for war, describes Steele as "superb." Other
commentary from former American CIA officers is similar in nature. Former CIA Deputy
Director John McLaughlin, who himself was involved in lying to support America's journey into
Iraq, similarly sees Steele as honest and credible in his claims, while a former CIA Station
Chief in Moscow is called upon to cast aspersions on the "Russian character" that impels them
to engage in lies and deception.
My review of the Mayer rebuttal of criticism of Steele revealed a number of instances where
she comes to certain conclusions without presenting any real supporting evidence or accepts
"proof" that is essentially hearsay because it supports her overall narrative. She asserts that
Russia and WikiLeaks were working together on the release of the Democratic National
Committee/Hillary Clinton emails without providing any substantiation whatsoever. She surely
came to that judgment based on something she was told, but by whom and when?
Another major blooper in the Mayer story relates to how one unnamed "senior Russian
official" reported that the Kremlin had blocked the appointment of Mitt Romney, a noted critic
of Russia, as secretary of state. How exactly that was implemented is not clear from the Steele
reporting and there has been no other independent confirmation of the allegation, but Mayer
finds it credible, asserting that "subsequent events could be said to support it." What events?
one might ask, though the national media did not hesitate and instead reported Mayer's
assertion as if it were itself a credible source in a forty-eight hour news cycle frenzy
relating to Romney and Trump.
Steele's work history also raises some questions. He served in Moscow as a first tour
officer for MI-6 under diplomatic cover from 1990 to 1993. Russia was in tumult and Mayer
describes how "Boris Yeltsin gained ultimate power, and a moment of democratic promise faded as
the KGB -now called the FSB-reasserted its influence, oligarchs snapped up state assets, and
nationalist political forces began to emerge." Not to go into too much detail, but Mayer's
description of Russia at that time is dead wrong. Yeltsin was a drunkard and a tool of American
and European intervention and manipulation. He was no agent of "democratic promise" and only
grew more corrupt as his time in office continued into the completely manipulated election of
1996, when the IMF and U.S. conspired to get him reelected so the looting, a.k.a.
"democratization," could go on. Mayer goes on to depict in negative terms a "shadowy" former
"KGB operative" Vladimir Putin who emerged from the chaos.
Mayer also cites a Steele report of April 2016, a "secret investigation [that] involved a
survey of Russian interference in the politics of four members of the European Union," but she
neither produces the report itself or the sources used to put it together. The report allegedly
concluded that the "Kremlin's long-term aim was to boost extremist groups and politicians at
the expense of Europe's liberal democracies. The more immediate goal was to destroy the E.U "
The precis provided by Mayer is a bit of fantasy, it would seem, and is perhaps a reflection of
an unhealthy obsession on the part of Steele, if he actually came to that conclusion. As it
stands it is hearsay, possibly provided by Steele himself or a friend to Mayer to defend his
reputation.
Mayer also reports and calls potentially treasonous Steele's claims that "Kremlin and Trump
were politically colluding in the 2016 campaign 'to sow discord and disunity both with the
U.S.' and within the transatlantic alliance." And also, "[Trump] and his top associates had
repeatedly accepted intelligence from the Kremlin on Hillary Clinton and other political
rivals." As Robert Mueller apparently has not developed any information to support such wild
claims, it would be interesting to know why Jane Mayer considers them to be credible.
Sweeping judgements by Mayer also include "[Steele's] allegation that the Kremlin
favored Trump in 2016 and was offering his campaign dirt on Hillary has been borne out. So has
his claim that the Kremlin and WikiLeaks were working together " As noted above, the
WikiLeaks/Kremlin allegations have not been demonstrated, nor have the claims about Kremlin
provision of information to discredit Hillary, who was doing a find job at the time
discrediting herself.
The account of Donald Trump performing "perverted sexual acts" in a Moscow hotel is likewise
a good example of what is wrong with the article. Four sources are cited as providing details
of what took place, but it is conceded that none of them was actually a witness to it. It would
be necessary to learn who the sources were beyond vague descriptions, what their actual access
to the information was and what their motives were for coming forward might be. One was
allegedly a "top-level Russian intelligence officer," but the others were hotel employees and a
Trump associate who had arranged for the travel.
Finally, from an ex-intelligence officer point of view I have some questions about Steele's
sources in Russia. Who are they? If they were MI-6 sources he would not be able to touch them
once he left the service and would face severe sanctions under the Official Secrets Act should
he even try to do so. There are in addition claims in the Mayer story that Steele did not pay
his sources because it would encourage them to fabricate, an argument that could also be made
about Steele who was being paid to produce dirt on Trump. So what was the quid pro quo
? Intelligence agents work for money, particularly when dealing with a private security firm,
and Steele's claim, if he truly made it, that he has sources that gave him closely held, highly
sensitive information in exchange for an occasional lunch in Mayfair rings hollow.
Jane Mayer's account of the Steele dossier seems to accept quite a lot on faith. It would be
interesting to know the extent to which Steele himself or his proxies were the source of much
of what she has written. Until we know more about the actual Russian sources and also about
Mayer's own contacts interviewed for the article, her "man behind the Trump dossier" will
continue to be something of a mystery and the entire Russiagate saga assumption that Moscow
interfered in the 2016 U.S. election must be regarded as still to be demonstrated.
Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based
U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org,
address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].
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Good article, in the the sense that it seems largely correct, but very gentle ? It really
pulls its punches.
"The problem with the type of neo-journalism as practiced by Mayer is that it first comes to
a conclusion and then selects the necessary "facts" to support that narrative"
Neo-journalism ? More like pure propaganda. Shoddy doesn't even begin to cover the apparent
systematic lying by commission & omission.
Skripal springs to mind. He was recruited by MI6 whilst Steele was in Russia and he worked
for the Steele outfit Orbis, which was paid for the Trump dossier, after he was released.
Last night I watched "The Real Bravo Two Zero", a movie available through Amazon Prime. It
tells the story of 8 British special ops soldiers who were helecoptered down behind Iraqi
lines during the first Gulf War. Their mission was to locate and radio back the co-ordinates
of the mobile missile launchers Saddam was using to hurl Scuds at Israel.
Everything in the mission that could go wrong, did. However the basic fault lay not with
the soldier but rather with the planners back at headquarters. Ultimately a number of the
British soldiers were killed and captured but one of them escaped capture and made a heroic
trek of 200 kilometers to the relative safety of Syria.
Later, after the war, at least two of the survivors authored books that described the
mission. In those books, the authors claimed that the party of 8 had engaged in numerous fire
fights with well armed Iraqi combat teams which resulted in the death of approx. 250 of the
Iraqi soldiers. Other acts of heroism and bravery were delineated as well.
The movie follows the footsteps of an investigative journalist–himself a former
soldier–who is literally retracing the steps of the soldiers. With his fluent Arabic he
interviews those local Bedouin farmers for their take on what happened in their encounter
with the British team.. What he discovers–to his dismay–is that much of what
happens in the books is pure fabrication, fantasy ginned up to stoke patriotic feelings of
pride in the prowess of the British special forces while boosting popularity for the war back
home. Fairy tales.
Now the guy narrating the movie doesn't go so far as to accuse the establishment British
propaganda machine of fabricating this trash but he does explicitly note the discrepancy
between what really occurred and what is put forward as non-fiction account of these
events.
We are all familiar with the charges of lying and deception made against the British by
Charles Lindbergh, Ford and other populist patriots during the lead up to WW2. With this in
mind, why should we believe that anything that comes from England (such as these claims made
by Steele), which recognizes no right to free speech or an unfettered press, is anything but
pure propaganda?
If you have Amazon, please watch the movie. It is excellent.
"... If the Democrats capture a majority in the House of Representatives on November 6, as widely predicted, candidates drawn from the military-intelligence apparatus will comprise as many as half of the new Democratic members of Congress. They will hold the balance of power in the lower chamber of Congress. ..."
"... Both push and pull are at work here. Democratic Party leaders are actively recruiting candidates with a military or intelligence background for competitive seats where there is the best chance of ousting an incumbent Republican or filling a vacancy, frequently clearing the field for a favored "star" recruit. ..."
"... The Democratic leaders are promoting CIA agents and Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans. At the same time, such people are choosing the Democratic Party as their preferred political vehicle. ..."
An extraordinary number of former intelligence and military operatives from the CIA,
Pentagon, National Security Council and State Department are seeking nomination as Democratic
candidates for Congress in the 2018 midterm elections. The potential influx of
military-intelligence personnel into the legislature has no precedent in US political
history.
If the Democrats capture a majority in the House of Representatives on November 6, as widely
predicted, candidates drawn from the military-intelligence apparatus will comprise as many as
half of the new Democratic members of Congress. They will hold the balance of power in the
lower chamber of Congress.
Both push and pull are at work here. Democratic Party leaders are actively recruiting
candidates with a military or intelligence background for competitive seats where there is the
best chance of ousting an incumbent Republican or filling a vacancy, frequently clearing the
field for a favored "star" recruit.
A case in point is Elissa Slotkin, a former CIA operative with three tours in Iraq, who
worked as Iraq director for the National Security Council in the Obama White House and as a top
aide to John Negroponte, the first director of national intelligence. After her deep
involvement in US war crimes in Iraq, Slotkin moved to the Pentagon, where, as a principal
deputy assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, her areas of
responsibility included drone warfare, "homeland defense" and cyber warfare.
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) has designated Slotkin as one of its
top candidates, part of the so-called "Red to Blue" program targeting the most vulnerable
Republican-held seats -- in this case, the Eighth Congressional District of Michigan, which
includes Lansing and Brighton. The House seat for the district is now held by two-term
Republican Representative Mike Bishop.
The Democratic leaders are promoting CIA agents and Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans. At
the same time, such people are choosing the Democratic Party as their preferred political
vehicle. There are far more former spies and soldiers seeking the nomination of the Democratic
Party than of the Republican Party. There are so many that there is a subset of Democratic
primary campaigns that, with a nod to Mad magazine, one might call "spy vs. spy."
Looks like neocons represent a trap in which the US society got and out of which there is not easy end. That trap
which can be fatal.
Notable quotes:
"... American power elites, the majority of whom have never served a day in uniform nor ever attended serious military academic institutions and whose expertise on serious military-technological and geopolitical issues is limited to a couple of seminars on nuclear weapons and, in the best case scenario, the efforts of the Congressional Research Service are simply not qualified to grasp the complexity, the nature, and application of military force. They simply have no reference points ..."
"... In the " Empire of Illusions ," facts simply don't matter at all. In fact, I predict that the now self-evidently useless ABM program will proceed as if nothing had happened. ..."
"... The zombified US general public won't be told what is going on, those who will understand will be marginalized and powerless to make any changes, as for the corrupt parasites who have been making millions and billions from this total waste of taxpayer money, they have way too much at stake to throw in the towel ..."
"... In fact, since the US is now run by Neocons, we can very easily predict what they will do. They will do what Neocons always do: double down. So, after it has become public knowledge that the entire US ABM deployment is useless and outdated, expect a further injection in cash into it by "patriotic" "Congresspersons" (my attempt at being politically correct!), surrounded by flags who will explain to the lobotomized public that they are "taking a firm stance" against "the Russian dictator" and that the proud US of A shall not cave in to the "Russian nuclear blackmail". These colors don't run! United we stand! Etc. etc. etc. ..."
Bringing a sense of reality to a deeply delusional Empire
The leaders of the Empire, along with their brainwashed ideological
drones , live in a world completely detached from reality. This is why Martyanov writes
that the US " still continues to reside in her bubble which insulates her from any outside
voices of reason and peace " and that Putin's speech aimed at " coercing America's
elites into, if not peace, at least into some form of sanity, given that they are currently
completely detached from the geopolitical, military and economic realities of a newly emerging
world ". Martyanov explains that:
American power elites, the majority of whom have never served a day in uniform nor ever
attended serious military academic institutions and whose expertise on serious
military-technological and geopolitical issues is limited to a couple of seminars on nuclear
weapons and, in the best case scenario, the efforts of the Congressional Research Service are
simply not qualified to grasp the complexity, the nature, and application of military force.
They simply have no reference points. Yet, being a product of the American pop-military
culture, also known as military porn and propaganda, these people -- this collection of
lawyers, political "scientists", sociologists and journalists who dominate the American
strategic kitchen which cooks non-stop delusional geopolitical and military doctrines, can
understand one thing for sure, and that is when their poor dears get a bulls-eye on their
backs or foreheads.
The fact that in the real world these elites have had a bulls-eye on their backs for decades
doesn't change the fact that they also managed to convince themselves that they could remove
that bulls-eye by means of withdrawing from the ABM treaty and by surrounding Russia with
anti-missile launchers. The fact that some (many? most?) US politicians realized, at least in
the back of their minds, that their ABM systems would never truly protect the US from a Russian
counter-strike did not really matter because there were some uniquely American psychological
factors which made the notion of an ABM system irresistibly attractive:
1) An ABM system promised the US impunity : impunity is, along with military superiority,
one of the great American myths (as discussed here ). From Reagan
with this "weapons which kill weapons" to the current crisis in Korea, Americans have always
strived for impunity for their actions abroad: let all countries drown in an ocean of fire,
murder and mayhem as long as our "homeland" remains the untouchable sacrosanct citadel. Since
WWII Americans have killed many millions of people abroad, but when 9/11 came (nevermind that
it was obviously a false flag) the country went into something like clinical shock from the
loss of about 3'000 innocent civilians. Soviet, and then later, Russian nuclear weapons
promised to deliver many tens of millions of deaths if the USSR/Russia was attacked and that is
why spinning the fairy tale about an ABM "shield" was so appealing even if it was
technologically speaking either a pipe-dream (Reagan's "Star Wars") or an extremely limited
system capable of stopping maybe a few missiles at most (the current ABM system in Europe).
Again, facts don't matter at all, at least not in American politics or in the US collective
psyche.
2) An ABM system promised a huge financial bonanza for the fantastically corrupt US
Military-Industrial Complex for which millions of Americans work and which made many of them
fantastically rich. Frankly, I suspect that many (most?) folks involved in the ABM programs
fully realized that this was a waste of time, but as long as they were getting their bank
accounts filled with money, they simply did not care: hey, they pay me – I will take
it!
3) The US military culture never had much of an emphasis on personal courage or
self-sacrifice (for obvious reasons). The various variations of the ABM fairy tale make it
possible for Americans to believe that the next war would be mostly fought by pressing buttons
and relying on computers. And if real bombs start falling, let them fall somewhere else,
preferably on some remote brown people who, well, ain't quite as precious to God and humanity
as us, the White "indispensable nation".
Add to this a quasi-religious belief (a dogma, really) in the myth of American technological
superiority and you understand that the Russian leaders began to realize that their US
counterparts were gradually forgetting that they did have a bulls-eye painted on their backs.
So what Putin did is simply paint a few more, different ones, just to make sure that US leaders
come back to reality.
The goal of Putin's speech was also to prove both Obama ("the Russian economy is in
tatters") and McCain ("Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country") wrong. The Russian
message to the US ruling elites was simple: no, not only are we not lagging behind you
technologically, in many ways we are decades ahead of you, in spite of sanctions, your attempts
to isolate us, the dramatic drop in energy prices or your attempts at limiting our access to
world markets (the successful development of this new generation of weapons systems is a clear
indicator of the real state of fundamental research in Russia in such spheres are advanced
alloys, nanotechnology, super-computing, etc.).
To the warmongers at the Pentagon, the message was equally clear and tough: we spend less
than 10% of what you can spend on global aggression; we will match your quantitative advantage
with our qualitative superiority. Simply put, you fight with dollars, we will fight with
brains. US propagandists, who love to speak about how Russia always uses huge numbers of
unskilled soldiers and dumb but brutal weapons now have to deal with a paradigm which they are
completely unfamiliar with: a Russian soldier is much better trained, much better equipped,
much better commanded and their morale and willpower is almost infinitely higher than one of
the typical US serviceman. For a military culture used to mantrically repeat that everything
about it is "the best in the world" or even "the best in history" this kind of new reality will
come as a very painful shock and most will respond to it by going into deep denial. To those
who believed in the (historically completely false) narrative about the US and Reagan
bankrupting the USSR by means of a successful arms race, it must feel very strange to have sort
of "traded places" with the bad old USSR and being in the situation of having to face
military-spending induced bankruptcy.
Nothing will change in the Empire of Illusions (at least for the foreseeable
future)
Speaking of bankruptcy. The recent revelations have confirmed what the Russians have been
warning about for years: all the immense sums of money spent by the US in ABM defenses have
been completely wasted. Russia did find and deploy an asymmetrical response which makes the
entire US ABM program completely useless and obsolete. Furthermore, as Martyanov also points
out, the current force structure of the US surface fleet has also been made basically obsolete
and useless, at least against Russia (but you can be sure that China is following close
behind). Potentially, this state of affairs should have immense, tectonic repercussions:
immense amounts US taxpayer money has been completely wasted, the US nuclear and naval
strategies have been completely misguided, intelligence has failed (either on the acquisition
or the analytical level), US politicians have made disastrous decisions and this is all a total
"cluster-bleep" which should trigger God knows how many investigations, resignations, and
numerous sanctions, administrative or even criminal ones. But, of course, absolutely nothing of
this, nothing at all, will happen. Not a single head will roll
In the " Empire of
Illusions ," facts simply don't matter at all. In fact, I predict that the now
self-evidently useless ABM program will proceed as if nothing had happened. And, in a way, that
is true.
The zombified US general public won't be told what is going on, those who will
understand will be marginalized and powerless to make any changes, as for the corrupt parasites
who have been making millions and billions from this total waste of taxpayer money, they have
way too much at stake to throw in the towel.
In fact, since the US is now run by Neocons, we
can very easily predict what they will do. They will do what Neocons always do: double down.
So, after it has become public knowledge that the entire US ABM deployment is useless and
outdated, expect a further injection in cash into it by "patriotic" "Congresspersons" (my
attempt at being politically correct!), surrounded by flags who will explain to the lobotomized
public that they are "taking a firm stance" against "the Russian dictator" and that the proud
US of A shall not cave in to the "Russian nuclear blackmail". These colors don't run! United we
stand! Etc. etc. etc.
"... The figures contained in the recent budget deal that kept Congress open, as well as in President Trump's budget proposal for 2019, are a case in point: $700 billion for the Pentagon and related programs in 2018 and $716 billion the following year. ..."
"... Though the Pentagon's budget was already through the roof, it will get an extra $165 billion over the next two years, thanks to the congressional budget deal reached earlier this month. ..."
"... Ben Freeman of the Center for International Policy put the new Pentagon budget numbers in perspective when he pointed out that just the approximately $80 billion annual increase in the department's top line between 2017 and 2019 will be double the current budget of the State Department; higher than the gross domestic products of more than 100 countries; and larger than the entire military budget of any country in the world, except China's. ..."
"... Meanwhile, the majority of Republican fiscal conservatives were thrilled to sign off on a Pentagon increase that, combined with the Trump tax cut for the rich, funds ballooning deficits as far as the eye can see -- a total of $7.7 trillion worth of them over the next decade. ..."
"... Although Congress is likely to rein in the administration's most extreme proposals, the figures are stark indeed -- a proposed cut of $120 billion in the domestic spending levels both parties agreed to. The biggest reductions include a 41% cut in funding for diplomacy and foreign aid; a 36% cut in funding for energy and the environment; and a 35% cut in housing and community development. And that's just the beginning. The Trump administration is also preparing to launch full-scale assaults on food stamps, Medicaid, and Medicare. It's war on everything except the US military. ..."
"... Items that snagged billions in new funding in Trump's proposed 2019 budget included Lockheed Martin's overpriced, underperforming F-35 aircraft, at $10.6 billion; Boeing's F-18 "Super Hornet," which was in the process of being phased out by the Obama administration but is now written in for $2.4 billion; Northrop Grumman's B-21 nuclear bomber at $2.3 billion; General Dynamics' Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine at $3.9 billion; and $12 billion for an array of missile-defense programs that will redound to the benefit of you guessed it: Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and Boeing, among other companies. These are just a few of the dozens of weapons programs that will be feeding the bottom lines of such companies in the next two years and beyond. For programs still in their early stages, like that new bomber and the new ballistic missile submarine, their banner budgetary years are yet to come. ..."
"... Trump wants to create jobs, jobs, jobs he can point to, and pumping up the military-industrial complex must seem like the path of least resistance to that end in present-day Washington. Under the circumstances, what does it matter that virtually any other form of spending would create more jobs and not saddle Americans with weaponry we don't need? ..."
"... The list of wasteful expenditures is already staggeringly long and early projections are that bureaucratic waste at the Pentagon will amount to $125 billion over the next five years. Among other things, the Defense Department already employs a shadow work force of more than 600,000 private contractors whose responsibilities overlap significantly with work already being done by government employees. Meanwhile, sloppy buying practices regularly result in stories like the recent ones on the Pentagon's Defense Logistics Agency losing track of how it spent $800 million and how two American commands were unable to account for $500 million meant for the war on drugs in the Greater Middle East and Africa. ..."
"... Most important of all, this flood of new funding, which could crush a generation of Americans under a mountain of debt, will make it easier to sustain the seemingly endless seven wars that the United States is fighting in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen. So call this one of the worst investments in history, ensuring as it does failed wars to the horizon. ..."
The Military-Industrial Complex Is on Corporate WelfareThe Pentagon will get an
extra $165 billion over the next two years -- that's even more than Donald Trump asked
for.
Imagine for a moment a scheme in which American taxpayers were taken to the cleaners to the
tune of hundreds of billions of dollars and there was barely a hint of criticism or outrage.
Imagine as well that the White House and a majority of the politicians in Washington, no matter
the party, acquiesced in the arrangement. In fact, the annual quest to boost Pentagon spending
into the stratosphere regularly follows that very scenario, assisted by predictions of imminent
doom from industry-funded hawks with a vested interest in increased military outlays. Most
Americans are probably aware that the Pentagon spends a lot of money, but it's unlikely they
grasp just how huge those sums really are. All too often, astonishingly lavish military budgets
are treated as if they were part of the natural order, like death or taxes.
The figures contained in the recent budget deal that kept Congress open, as well as in
President Trump's budget proposal for 2019, are a case in point: $700 billion for the Pentagon
and related programs in 2018 and $716 billion the following year.
Remarkably, such numbers far exceeded even the Pentagon's own expansive expectations.
According to Donald Trump, admittedly not the most reliable source in all cases, Secretary of
Defense Jim Mattis reportedly said, "Wow, I can't believe we got everything we wanted" -- a
rare admission from the head of an organization whose only response to virtually any budget
proposal is to ask for more. The public reaction to such staggering Pentagon budget hikes was
muted, to put it mildly.
Unlike last year's tax giveaway to the rich, throwing near-record amounts of tax dollars at
the Department of Defense generated no visible public outrage. Yet those tax cuts and Pentagon
increases are closely related. The Trump administration's pairing of the two mimics the failed
approach of President Ronald Reagan in the 1980s -- only more so. It's a phenomenon I've termed
"Reaganomics on steroids." Reagan's approach yielded oceans of red ink and a severe weakening
of the social safety net. It also provoked such a strong pushback that he later backtracked by
raising taxes and set the stage for sharp reductions in nuclear weapons.
Donald Trump's retrograde policies on immigration, women's rights, racial justice, LGBT
rights, and economic inequality have spawned an impressive and growing resistance. It remains
to be seen whether his generous treatment of the Pentagon at the expense of basic human needs
will spur a similar backlash. Of course, it's hard to even get a bead on what's being lavished
on the Pentagon when much of the media coverage failed to drive home just how enormous these
sums actually are. A rare exception was an Associated Press story headlined "Congress, Trump
Give the Pentagon a Budget the Likes of Which It Has Never Seen." This was certainly far closer
to the truth than claims like that of Mackenzie Eaglen of the conservative American Enterprise
Institute, which over the years has housed such uber-hawks as Dick Cheney and John Bolton. She
described the new budget as a "modest year-on-year increase." If that's the case, one shudders
to think what an immodest increase might look like.
The Pentagon Wins Big
So let's look at the money.
Though the Pentagon's budget was already through the roof, it will get an extra $165
billion over the next two years, thanks to the congressional budget deal reached earlier this
month. To put that figure in context, it was tens of billions of dollars more than Donald
Trump had asked for last spring to "rebuild" the US military (as he put it). It even exceeded
the figures, already higher than Trump's, Congress had agreed to last December. It brings total
spending on the Pentagon and related programs for nuclear weapons to levels higher than those
reached during the Korean and Vietnam wars in the 1950s and 1960s, or even at the height of
Ronald Reagan's vaunted military buildup of the 1980s. Only in two years of Barack Obama's
presidency, when there were roughly 150,000 US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, or about seven
times current levels of personnel deployed there, was spending higher.
Ben Freeman of the Center for International Policy put the new Pentagon budget numbers
in perspective when he pointed out that just the approximately $80 billion annual increase in
the department's top line between 2017 and 2019 will be double the current budget of the State
Department; higher than the gross domestic products of more than 100 countries; and larger than
the entire military budget of any country in the world, except China's.
Democrats signed on to that congressional budget as part of a deal to blunt some of the most
egregious Trump administration cuts proposed last spring. The administration, for example, kept
the State Department's budget from being radically slashed and it reauthorized the imperiled
Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) for another 10 years. In the process, however, the
Democrats also threw millions of young immigrants under the bus by dropping an insistence that
any new budget protect the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or "Dreamers," program.
Meanwhile, the majority of Republican fiscal conservatives were thrilled to sign off on a
Pentagon increase that, combined with the Trump tax cut for the rich, funds ballooning deficits
as far as the eye can see -- a total of $7.7 trillion worth of them over the next
decade.
While domestic spending fared better in the recent congressional budget deal than it would
have if Trump's draconian plan for 2018 had been enacted, it still lags far behind what
Congress is investing in the Pentagon. And calculations by the National Priorities Project
indicate that the Department of Defense is slated to be an even bigger winner in Trump's 2019
budget blueprint. Its share of the discretionary budget, which includes virtually everything
the government does other than programs like Medicare and Social Security, will mushroom to a
once-unimaginable 61 cents on the dollar, a hefty boost from the already startling 54 cents on
the dollar in the final year of the Obama administration.
The skewed priorities in Trump's latest budget proposal are fueled in part by the
administration's decision to embrace the Pentagon increases Congress agreed to last month,
while tossing that body's latest decisions on non-military spending out the window.
Although Congress is likely to rein in the administration's most extreme proposals, the
figures are stark indeed -- a proposed cut of $120 billion in the domestic spending levels both
parties agreed to. The biggest reductions include a 41% cut in funding for diplomacy and
foreign aid; a 36% cut in funding for energy and the environment; and a 35% cut in housing and
community development. And that's just the beginning. The Trump administration is also
preparing to launch full-scale assaults on food stamps, Medicaid, and Medicare. It's war on
everything except the US military.
Corporate Welfare
The recent budget plans have brought joy to the hearts of one group of needy Americans: the
top executives of major weapons contractors like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman,
Raytheon, and General Dynamics. They expect a bonanza from the skyrocketing Pentagon
expenditures. Don't be surprised if the CEOs of these five firms give themselves nice salary
boosts, something to truly justify their work, rather than the paltry $96 million they drew as
a group in 2016 (the most recent year for which full statistics are available).
And keep in mind that, like all other US-based corporations, those military-industrial
behemoths will benefit richly from the Trump administration's slashing of the corporate tax
rate. According to one respected industry analyst, a good portion of this windfall will go
towards bonuses and increased dividends for company shareholders rather than investments in new
and better ways to defend the United States. In short, in the Trump era, Lockheed Martin and
its cohorts are guaranteed to make money coming and going.
Items that snagged billions in new funding in Trump's proposed 2019 budget included
Lockheed Martin's overpriced, underperforming F-35 aircraft, at $10.6 billion; Boeing's F-18
"Super Hornet," which was in the process of being phased out by the Obama administration but is
now written in for $2.4 billion; Northrop Grumman's B-21 nuclear bomber at $2.3 billion;
General Dynamics' Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine at $3.9 billion; and $12 billion for
an array of missile-defense programs that will redound to the benefit of you guessed it:
Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, and Boeing, among other companies. These are just a few of the
dozens of weapons programs that will be feeding the bottom lines of such companies in the next
two years and beyond. For programs still in their early stages, like that new bomber and the
new ballistic missile submarine, their banner budgetary years are yet to come.
In explaining the flood of funding that enables a company like Lockheed Martin to reap $35
billion per year in government dollars, defense analyst Richard Aboulafia of the Teal Group
noted that "diplomacy is out; air strikes are in In this sort of environment, it's tough to
keep a lid on costs. If demand goes up, prices don't generally come down. And, of course, it's
virtually impossible to kill stuff. You don't have to make any kind of tough choices when
there's such a rising tide."
Pentagon Pork Versus Human Security
Loren Thompson is a consultant to many of those weapons contractors. His think tank, the
Lexington Institute, also gets contributions from the arms industry. He caught the spirit of
the moment when he praised the administration's puffed-up Pentagon proposal for using the
Defense Department budget as a jobs creator in key states, including the crucial swing state of
Ohio, which helped propel Donald Trump to victory in 2016. Thompson was particularly pleased
with a plan to ramp up General Dynamics's production of M-1 tanks in Lima, Ohio, in a factory
whose production line the Army had tried to put on hold just a few years ago because it was
already drowning in tanks and had no conceivable use for more of them.
Thompson argues that the new tanks are needed to keep up with Russia's production of armored
vehicles, a dubious assertion with a decidedly Cold War flavor to it. His claim is backed up,
of course, by the administration's new National Security Strategy, which targets Russia and
China as the most formidable threats to the United States. Never mind that the likely
challenges posed by these two powers -- cyberattacks in the Russian case and economic expansion
in the Chinese one -- have nothing to do with how many tanks the US Army possesses.
Trump wants to create jobs, jobs, jobs he can point to, and pumping up the
military-industrial complex must seem like the path of least resistance to that end in
present-day Washington. Under the circumstances, what does it matter that virtually any other
form of spending would create more jobs and not saddle Americans with weaponry we don't
need?
If past performance offers any indication, none of the new money slated to pour into the
Pentagon will make anyone safer. As Todd Harrison of the Center for Strategic and International
Studies has noted, there is a danger that the Pentagon will just get "fatter not stronger" as
its worst spending habits are reinforced by a new gusher of dollars that relieves its planners
of making any reasonably hard choices at all.
The list of wasteful expenditures is already staggeringly long and early projections are
that bureaucratic waste at the Pentagon will amount to $125 billion over the next five years.
Among other things, the Defense Department already employs a shadow work force of more than
600,000 private contractors whose responsibilities overlap significantly with work already
being done by government employees. Meanwhile, sloppy buying practices regularly result in
stories like the recent ones on the Pentagon's Defense Logistics Agency losing track of how it
spent $800 million and how two American commands were unable to account for $500 million meant
for the war on drugs in the Greater Middle East and Africa.
Add to this the $1.5 trillion slated to be spent on F-35s that the nonpartisan Project on
Government Oversight has noted may never be ready for combat and the unnecessary
"modernization" of the US nuclear arsenal, including a new generation of nuclear-armed bombers,
submarines, and missiles at a minimum cost of $1.2 trillion over the next three decades. In
other words, a large part of the Pentagon's new funding will do much to fuel good times in the
military-industrial complex but little to help the troops or defend the country.
Most important of all, this flood of new funding, which could crush a generation of
Americans under a mountain of debt, will make it easier to sustain the seemingly endless seven
wars that the United States is fighting in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Somalia,
and Yemen. So call this one of the worst investments in history, ensuring as it does failed
wars to the horizon.
It would be a welcome change in 21st-century America if the reckless decision to throw yet
more unbelievable sums of money at a Pentagon already vastly overfunded sparked a serious
discussion about America's hyper-militarized foreign policy. A national debate about such
matters in the run-up to the 2018 and 2020 elections could determine whether it continues to be
business-as-usual at the Pentagon or whether the largest agency in the federal government is
finally reined in and relegated to an appropriately defensive posture.
"... Kissinger has always been influenced by Munich, if not always directly or humanely. His and President Richard Nixon's opening to China in order to undermine the Soviet Union while they sought détente with Moscow; their unwillingness to quit Vietnam without first wreaking havoc and spilling blood; their support of odious yet pro-American regimes in Greece and Chile; and their brilliantly executed face-off with Syria and the Soviet Union in 1970, at the time of the terrorist challenge to Jordan's pro-Western regime -- all flowed to a significant extent from Kissinger's determination to avoid the slightest show of weakness, for which read "appeasement." Kissinger regularly mixed violence and the threat of it with diplomacy, so that the diplomacy had credibility. He preserved what he saw as the legitimate order, in which the Soviet Union was both contained and accepted, so that revolutionary chaos was confined to the edges of the superpower battlefield, in the Third World. [emphasis added] ..."
"... America's power elites, "are simply not qualified to grasp the complexity, the nature and application of military force. They simply have no reference points," is proven by today's article, which infuriates me in its sophomoric arrogance, posted on The Hill by "Tom Nichols a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College and an adjunct professor at the Harvard Extension School." ..."
"... I read somewhere that the art of diplomacy was the ability to say " Nice Doggie, Nice Doggie until one had obtained a rock" . I suspect that the Russians have found the working Reset button that Hillary and her associates couldn't. ..."
"... The American global track record of the last few decades does not require any special elaborations -- it is a record of military and humanitarian disasters. ..."
"... Yet, somehow, the Americans have always managed to benefit from those disasters. On the other hand, the very educated country full of graduates of very famous institutions, particularly the military academies, has disintegrated. In case you are wondering I am talking about USSR. ..."
"... let me ask you: how many NATO divisions did it take to conquer Ukraine? That's right, zero. US did spend 5 billion dollars, organized QUANGOS, CIA was involved, no doubt. All the missiles in the world wouldn't have helped Ukraine. Economic sanctions, propaganda and intelligence warfare are the biggest threats to Russia, as far as West is concerned, not open military confrontation. ..."
"... Probably we should accept that Karl Doenitz was right about the future of naval warfare -- nothing on the surface. ..."
"... Since the whole purpose of America's military is to force the host, the United States and its population, to fork over wealth to the parasite, the military industrial complex, the news that all the technology is junk could not be better for them. Now they can throw that all away and make us pay for new useless junk. ..."
"... Nothing drains a country's resources more than wasting them on war and soldiers, rather than on its own people. ..."
"... In layman's lingo, the United States lacks geographic, historic, cultural, economic and technological pressures to develop and have a coherent defensive military doctrine and weapons which would help to implement it. ..."
"... US "elites" simply have no grasp what real war is. ..."
"... After 20 years in the Air Force in air operations and 26 years as a government contractor in finance and procurement, I offer the F-35 as the paradigm of the "death of the US military". Bad design compounded by troubled procurement compounded by non-stop lobbying by politicians and contracts to ignore the obvious = a procurement disaster. ..."
"... Is it not clear that the US generals have sold out America's defenses to Israel – J-MIC rules the Pentagon. We fight wars for Israel – we are NOT defending America. We have lost our Twentieth century defensive edge. We now have a military that is good at assassinating village chiefs (and their families). The US generals keep expanding the geography of their killing until there is going to be a true world war. The cold-hard fact is that our US generals are defending Israel not America. Our US generals are not doing American defense – they are doing Israeli offence. ..."
"... Again, the whole nature of the American military posture since 1970s is lack of any desire to play by the rules, including within the more-or-less stable framework of MAD. In fact, the US constantly tries to exit MAD framework. ..."
"... My main comment on these weapons. How to pay for all this, infrastructure renewal, double the growth rate alongside a huge decline in work force and all those new pensioners seeking healthcare? ..."
"... Can you name one friend the United States has that's not bought and paid for – including Israel? You can't be serious in trotting out the assertion the US has any friends who would remain friends more than 30 minutes following failure on delivery of the latest foreign aid check. ..."
"... Obviously, beyond the greed focused MIC there is a much more serious implication of US last experiencing, but only a medium intensity, war in its Civil War so long ago. The much more serious implication is that it is dishing out war mush more readily than any other nation on the planet. ..."
"... The reason that Ziocon parasites have found such a fertile ground in the US is almost like an isolated island, whose people consider war to be entertainment (shock & awe), have never had any serious family or home losses from it and are dumb and uneducated enough to be pulled by their noses through their MSM to any war that Ziocons fancy. ..."
"... In short, [MIC is a bunch of] smart parasites feeding on dumb f*cks. ..."
"... Therefore, US winning a war against Russia? Not in the next hundred years militarily but possibly through subterfuge: assasinations and regime change. ..."
Putin's speech was brilliant. The neocons couldn't have asked for better content. A CIA
writer like Tom Friedman couldn't glorify militarism any better. The US has no choice but to
ramp up defense spending to even more extreme levels to counter the new Russian threat.
Henry Kissinger's first book, on the Napoleonic Wars, explains Kissinger's foreign
policy better than any of his memoirs, and is striking as an early display of brilliance and
authority
Kissinger has always been influenced by Munich, if not always directly or humanely. His
and President Richard Nixon's opening to China in order to undermine the Soviet Union while
they sought détente with Moscow; their unwillingness to quit Vietnam without first
wreaking havoc and spilling blood; their support of odious yet pro-American regimes in
Greece and Chile; and their brilliantly executed face-off with Syria and the Soviet Union
in 1970, at the time of the terrorist challenge to Jordan's pro-Western regime -- all
flowed to a significant extent from Kissinger's determination to avoid the slightest show
of weakness, for which read "appeasement." Kissinger regularly mixed violence and the
threat of it with diplomacy, so that the diplomacy had credibility. He preserved what
he saw as the legitimate order, in which the Soviet Union was both contained and accepted,
so that revolutionary chaos was confined to the edges of the superpower battlefield, in the
Third World. [emphasis added]
. . .
When, in 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait, Kissinger argued for military force against Saddam
Hussein. The legitimate order in the Gulf had been disrupted by a revolutionary chieftain;
to react merely with sanctions would constitute appeasement, and Kissinger said as
much.
Thank God for Russia and Putin, at last their is a country and a man who the Zionist neocons
in the U.S. and Israel and Britain can not invade and destroy for the Zionist NWO, the tide
has changed.
This is one of the best articles that I have recently read. The validity of the points made
is enhanced by some superb expressions and descriptions (pop-military culture, American
strategic kitchen etc.) Eminemtly readable. Well done!
From William Mallinson, author of 'The Danger of Geopolitics to International Relations:
Obsession with the Heartland'.
What I find both galling and frightening, which proves Andrei's point about America's power
elites, "are simply not qualified to grasp the complexity, the nature and application of
military force. They simply have no reference points," is proven by today's article, which
infuriates me in its sophomoric arrogance, posted on The Hill by "Tom Nichols a professor of
national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College and an adjunct professor at the
Harvard Extension School."
"The only thing that could have made Russian President Vladimir Putin's speech about
Russia's nuclear arsenal better is if he had given it wearing a Mao jacket and stroking a
white cat, like the evil character Blofeld from a James Bond movie.
"Putin's theatrics represented a farrago of theater, fantasy and bluster. For some reason,
Putin said he was unveiling a nuclear-powered cruise missile with virtually unlimited range.
This is a strange thing to claim, for several reasons. It is technologically difficult to do
(which is why the Americans never built one, even after considering it more than 50 years
ago), but more to the point, it serves no purpose. Why build a cruise missile that takes
hours to reach its target when intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) or
submarine-launched ballistic missiles can reach the same targets in minutes?
... ... ...
I think these excerpts prove the idiot has no idea that his much beloved carrier groups
are now effectively rendered useless. Either he's in denial or he's that stupid or he's
lying, preaching to the "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" choir.
Unfortunately the neocons will need a demonstration. Hopefully this can be done without
the sinking of an aircraft carrier and the inevitable escalation that would follow
Thank you for your kind words, William. My upcoming book deals with those issues in much
more expanded form. The title is: "Losing Military Supremacy: The Myopia of American
Strategic Planning." It is not often in one's life that one begins to realize in terror that
present West's in general and US in particular so called "elites" and policy makers are for
the most part ignorant amateurs.
Interesting how many commenters bring back this to neocons. Should Russia disarm so that
peace-loving Americans don't have to endure the neocons' militaristic ramblings?
Don't be–this is the "level" of current American "national security expertdom" which
is a mix of ignorance, arrogance and huge insecurity. There are, of course, many fluffy
"credentials" but for the most part those people are nothing more than empty suites, such as
this "professor" from Naval War College. Actually, the butt-hurt oozes from his filled with
BS piece. I think they got the message.
The Triad appears to have become a duo.
The boomers and the silos.
As it appears that the latest generation of Russian airframes are very stealthy, so it would
extrapolate that the lead in stealth has "vanished."
I wonder when the Russians will announce the breakthrough that makes the oceans transparent
to their satellites.
I read somewhere that the art of diplomacy was the ability to say " Nice Doggie, Nice Doggie
until one had obtained a rock" . I suspect that the Russians have found the working Reset
button that Hillary and her associates couldn't.
The American global track record of the last few decades does not require any special
elaborations -- it is a record of military and humanitarian disasters.
Yet, somehow, the Americans have always managed to benefit from those disasters. On the
other hand, the very educated country full of graduates of very famous institutions,
particularly the military academies, has disintegrated. In case you are wondering I am
talking about USSR.
The Pre-Shoigu Russian Army, for all its real and perceived shortcomings, disposed of
the US-trained and partially equipped Georgian force in a matter of five days -- the
Russian Army's technology, personnel and operational art was simply better.
The mighty Russians defeated a tiny country. What an achievement! At least they had enough
sense not to boast about it. At the beginning of the conflict the Russians were actually
quite a bit disorganized, as is the habit of all Slavs. They were caught by surprise. That
much for their better personnel and operational art.
American power elites, the majority of whom have never served a day in uniform nor ever
attended serious military academic institutions and whose expertise on serious
military-technological and geopolitical issues is limited to couple of seminars on nuclear
weapons and, in the best case scenario, the efforts of the Congressional Research Service
are simply not qualified to grasp the complexity, the nature and application of military
force. They simply have no reference points.
You seem to know so much one is almost tempted to believe you rub shoulders with those
elites on a daily basis. We all know by now that the only person in the world who can
understand those issues is the greates general of all times, Andrei Martyanov, formerly known
as Smoothie ( I wonder what happened ). The power elites do not have to understand those
issues. That is not their job. Believe it or not they have plenty of experts, real experts,
not bloggers who take care of those issues. Whose expert are better? You can measure that by
the position of a country in the world. As far as the pathetic talk about USA collapsing
every minute now I have been hearing that for 60 years. Here is a short list of the countries
which really disintegrated. USSR, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria,Lybia,Ukraine,etc.
After that he proceeded with what can only be described as a military-technological
Pearl-Harbor meets Stalingrad. The strategic ramifications of the latest weapon systems
Putin presented are immense.
I am sure they are. After the slaughter of several hundred Russian mercenaries in Syria
the mighty Russian stand off capabilities, to use your term, showed to the whole world that
they can only stand down. The Russians did not do much in a way of response after the killing
of their general, attack on their base, attack on their embassy, shooting down of their
plane, etc. I know. Their technology is so good they do not have to. It is enough to talk
about it.
In the end, to be attacked from the South Pole, through South America, is not a
contingency the US military is capable of facing. Probably not for very many years.
They do not have to. It is an idiotic proposal.
In any case if only half of your exagerated claims are true you should leave United States
immediately unless of course you are suicidal.
I am pleased –thrilled–to hear from the author of this unemotional, rational,
factual analysis. "Butt-hurt" indeed or delusion. The problem as the "Empire" doubles down as other comments and even your friend The Saker
posted in: http://thesaker.is/how-far-can-the-americans-be-pushed/ is that the hubris and stupidity may escalate into violence, i.e. direct conflict.
You're a better judge perhaps than I of American political and military stupidity. The
C.I.A. controlled Hollywood keeps showing apocalyptic films so as to prepare the masses for
mass death. In addition to making Russians bad guys.
Do Russians understand -- its leadership -- that the extermination of their peons,
namely us, is not a "bug" but a feature to the so-called Western elites? That is, they hold
us in contempt. Look at the recent mass censorship by YouTube of even Christians.
My concern is that a military conflict is unavoidable, except perhaps the Mad Dogs are
such cowards and want to maintain invincibility maybe they'll just stick to proxies in
Ukraine and Syria for now. Thanks for the concise and wise reply.
I agree, they are very, very dumb, but not so dumb to neglect something that may end their
miserable little lives. Therefore, the "professor's" write up is a butt hurt soothing piece.
Just note the amount of hate and frustration reserved for the messenger, because they cannot
even kill the messenger.
The Academies have long been staffed by Cult. Marxist faculties. That is why you see so many military officers who seem to
have astonishingly Liberal political and cultural views. The long march through the institutions has swept over all the major
institutions in the West including the military. The military has been used as the perfect vehicle for instituting the changes
the Left wants because it is based on strict obedience to orders from above. From racial integration in the forties to gay
rights, tranny rights, combat roles for women, and racially equalized outcomes, the Left has used the military as the cutting
edge. I remember an article in American Spectator on Clinton's first inauguration. There was a flyover of military aircraft at
the ceremony. The Spectator reporter saw a Clinton campaigner jeering at the planes, and one of his comrades interrupted him
saying, "Hey, it's cool, those are ours now".
Absolutely excellent point; they can't win wars against real adversaries they can only
murder and bully to spread an agenda. And now their bluff has been called. Ray McGovern's essay on Consortium News is good but none of the State Department morons
and Pentagon fools will understand.
Meh. Good for Russia, but let me ask you: how many NATO divisions did it take to conquer
Ukraine? That's right, zero. US did spend 5 billion dollars, organized QUANGOS, CIA was
involved, no doubt. All the missiles in the world wouldn't have helped Ukraine. Economic
sanctions, propaganda and intelligence warfare are the biggest threats to Russia, as far as
West is concerned, not open military confrontation.
I've been reading your site for a long time. Some points on your response to
Martyanov:
The USA should return to the method used before the 1980s where government organizations
developed weapons and then contracted production to the private sector. Most of these
military/government organizations still exist, but have been sidelined, so crap is
developed by a free market profit seeking monopoly, like the F-35.
Is this really accurate? There was plenty of development by commercial organizations prior
to the 1980s, and military arsenals have their own failure records. Examples of commercial
successes in the past:
*Most aircraft produced until the F-111 (which ultimately matured into a fine aircraftt),
and then afterwards the entire teen series of fighters as well as the A-10
*The original AR-15, which the army chose to screw up royally
Then we have examples of arsenal and lab failures such as:
*Refusing the .276 round for the M1 Garand and later insisting on the 7.62 NATO in
contravention of the superior British alternative
*The aforementioned M16 screwup
*BuOrd's disgraceful WW2 torpedo foulup
Now one thing that has changed substantially is that most ship classes used to be
developed by the Navy itself and its government yards, but now they're developed by
contractors (badly, as shown by the Gerald Ford class, the Zumwalt class, and the LCS joke).
But the old navy did solicit commercial designs as well.
Some more competition is needed. This can come from renewed development by arsenals, but
also we need trust busting in the defense industry.
Program management is obviously a huge disaster, but who knows why? Cost-plus contracts?
Officers and politicians effectively playing for the contractors rather than the country?
Ignorance, as Martyanov suggested?
2. The use of small lasers to blind combatants. The US Marine Corps recently added
expensive "dazzlers" to its machine guns that will prove more effective than the gun
itself. (pictured)
Skeptical. Against trained infantry gunfire is largely suppressive. The enemy is destroyed
by indirect fires and making use of microterrain to maneuver.
That said adds another useful weapon for relatively little weight, and depending on the
power of the laser and the weather that day it could outperform gunfire at longer ranges.
3. The inability to replace munitions stocks in a timely manner. Most nations have
limited stockpiles and the complexity of some make rapid production impossible. If the USA
becomes involved in a major war that lasts longer than a month, it will have to pause for
several months until new munitions are produced and delivered.
This was an issue even in the Cold War (NATO officially planned on 30 days warstocks, but
based on the experience of the Yom Kippur war it probably had one-two weeks). It was also an
issue for all combatants in the early stages of both world wars.
It seems difficult to plan for this, especially as politicians are likely to balk at huge
warstocks which must be frequently replaced or refurbished.
More important may be simply maintaining a strong industrial base–woops.
5. The millions of civilian vehicles on the world's roads. It is impossible to tell if
they are friend or foe unless inspected up close. Soldiers can use this to their advantage,
which makes urban operations very dangerous for both civilians and soldiers.
This, incidentally, also makes the interdiction mission for airpower that was so
successful in the summer of 1944 effectively useless against any industrialized opponent.
In the summer of 1944 we had 11,000 fighters (as well as medium bombers, unsure how many)
in Western Europe facing a few thousand German trucks and a small number of rail lines.
In a modern conflict we'd have a few hundred fighters and attack aircraft against
millions of trucks. Modern aircraft can attack more targets successfully, but the
disparity is too huge to overcome.
9. Modern body armor has made 5.56mm and even 7.62mm bullets less lethal.
This is solvable problem in my view. Increase the sectional density and length of the
bullet, and increase muzzle velocity.
Explosive and raufoss rounds might work as well, though the small size of bullets makes me
skeptical.
Precision-guided glide weapons of relatively small size (e.g. 40mm in diameter) are
another option.
You also don't need to kill an opponent to achieve mission kill, and even someone in
hard-kill body armor will be suppressed by gunfire which then allows for attack by indirect
fires.
10. Fleets of surface ships cannot hide for long in big oceans.
Embarrassingly the USN's official response to the Chinese demonstration of an antiship
ballistic missile was that battlegroups would be hard to find. Sure. Even if that were true, to attack the enemy on land the battlegroups must get close to
shore, where they are easily found and attacked. The USN basically stopped even bothering to defend its surface fleet against serious
opponents after the cancellation of the F-111B.
The F-111B was a logical response to the threat of Soviet naval aviation. With a combat
range of over 2,000 nautical miles on internal fuel, it could credibly keep Soviet maritime
patrol bombers out of launch range for their anti-ship missiles (which were to be armed with
tactical nuclear warheads).
The replacement F-14 only had a range of about 500 nautical miles. While a fine aircraft
in many respect, it was useless in its planned role of fleet defense.
Advanced long-range SAMs could do the job instead of long-range interceptors, but the US
lags Russia badly here and has no long-range SAMs of any kind.
This leaves missile defense and CIWS (where the US also lags many foreign nations, even
small European ones!) to protect the fleet.
Good luck with that. Serious things that might defend the fleet:
*Long-range interceptors
*Long-range SAMs (USN equivalent of S-300/400/500 family)
*High energy microwaves (with enough energy a bubble field could destroy missile
electronics)
*Upgraded and more numerous CIWS, ideally with lasers and rail guns if they ever get those to
work
*Actually armoring ships
But even if all of these expensive technologies work as intended, they'll still vulnerable
to being overwhelmed by salvos as well as nuclear warheads.
Probably we should accept that Karl Doenitz was right about the future of naval
warfare -- nothing on the surface.
The navy should instead be made up mostly of submarines and long range aircraft. Surface
forces would be limited to mine sweepers, ASW corvettes, and green/brown water small boats
(like the LCS except not expensive and trash).
The entire amphibious assault concept is ridiculous as well. Amphibious assaults were hard
enough to pull off in WW2 against inferior opponents hard pressed on other fronts. Against a prepared opponent with modern technology they will fail spectacularly.
And against an UNPREPARED opponent no specialized and expensive amphibious forces are
needed. They can be quickly conducted using improvised equipment as the Germans did in 1917
and again in 1940.
Technology is not the factor that makes this leapfrog so hopeless for the US MIC. The
structure of Russia's defense industrial base is inherently more agile and efficient because
it's a resource of the state and not exclusively a private profit center.
Back when the USSR had just collapsed in the expectation of peace and disarmament, Russian
defense industries lost interest in weapons and looked to commercial markets. They pitched
projects like satellite systems they could field at one percent of the cost of existing
systems. You read that right. Comparable US systems were two orders of magnitude more
expensive. Russia's defense industrial base continued to out-innovate the Pentagon.
The US counter is to spend ten times more and piss away 95% of it. The inherent drain on
procurement includes loading, such as marketing for more and more programs, and McMansions
for the C-Suite parasites, from performance bonuses whose intended incentives can always be
negated with revenue growth. It's as if you decided to bulk up, but instead of lifting
weights you injected yourself with CIA's metastasizing-cancer toxin. The beltway cannot
possibly keep up.
Since the whole purpose of America's military is to force the host, the United States and its
population, to fork over wealth to the parasite, the military industrial complex, the news
that all the technology is junk could not be better for them. Now they can throw that all
away and make us pay for new useless junk.
The US exports War and Terrorism as its number one export, all for the profit of the rich.
The taxpayers pay for all sorts of military equipment that gets paid for but most of it is
never really delivered. How many ICBM missiles do you think the thieving rich have in those
silos in North Dakota? I would bet zero. Much more profit in pocketing the money and telling
the suckers you buried their missiles in the ground where the Russkies, and the taxpayers,
never can see them. Why would any of the super wonderful people who rule us lie about
anything? Why would super wonderful Putin lie about anything? Only commie pinkos don't trust
their Government or the stuff they read on the internet.
After the slaughter of several hundred Russian mercenaries in Syria
most likely less than 20, but, doesn't affect your point. All this "online therapy" about all powerful Russia is just that.
Good for them. Beats pills and alcohol. The war between The Empire and Russia won't be with high tech weaponry.
It will be by dissent, insurrections and ethic warfare, as in Ukraine. We'll see how will all that "high tech" work in next flareup there.
"The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is on the run around the globe" said chief Pentagon
spokesman Dana W. White last year.
"We're not surprised by the statements and the American people should rest assured that we
are fully prepared," said Pentagon tranny Dana White a week ago.
The US military exists to enslave the majority and to force them to pay the majority of
their incomes in taxes. What do Americans get in exchange for their taxes? Do they get health
insurance? No. Do they get retirement benefits? No, unless you consider $1000 or less a month
in social security a "retirement." Maybe if you live in your car. Do they get decent roads?
No. Do they get decent public transportation? No. Do they get anything positive of any sort?
No, except their "Freedoms" and their "Specialness" and "Preparation" by the world's greatest
Ponzi scheme. Nothing drains a country's resources more than wasting them on war and
soldiers, rather than on its own people.
You can be absolutely 100% sure that huge amount of money will be thrown at Pentagon, but
as some people here astutely observed, most of it will be wasted or stolen. US will continue
to invest into totally bankrupt weapons systems since they are not designed to fight but to
make money. The track record of military-technological whopping disasters of the last decade
or so is simply stunning–from F-35, to LCS, to now emerging unproven and fantastically
expensive technologies for Columbia-class sub, to, basically not working air-defense and
anti-missile complexes. This is simply unprecedented in human history.
Technology is not the factor that makes this leapfrog so hopeless for the US MIC. The
structure of Russia's defense industrial base is inherently more agile and efficient
because it's a resource of the state and not exclusively a private profit center.
I agree with your thesis but the major factor here is a cultural one–a dramatically
different attitude to war between Russia and US. I wrote about this here:
In layman's lingo, the United States lacks geographic, historic, cultural, economic and
technological pressures to develop and have a coherent defensive military doctrine and
weapons which would help to implement it.
One cannot buy a history (albeit many in Washington think that it is possible) one has to
experience it and built national institutions accordingly. US "elites" simply have no grasp
what real war is.
In the 1970s, NATO sponsored seminars on the Soviet Union's military weaponry. I attended
the seminars. We had "hands-on" access to Soviet tanks and other equipment. I was impressed.
It was the biggest "bang for the buck" as opposed to the US model of letting private,
for-profit contractors design and cost weapons for you. We left the seminars with a heartfelt
fear of the Soviet Union's military capability.
BTW: Due to a few soldiers going "postal", we
were not allowed access to our unit weapons except in the case of an emergency or, maybe a
war.
After 20 years in the Air Force in air operations and 26 years as a government contractor
in finance and procurement, I offer the F-35 as the paradigm of the "death of the US
military". Bad design compounded by troubled procurement compounded by non-stop lobbying by
politicians and contracts to ignore the obvious = a procurement disaster.
The F-111 program proved that it was not possible to develop a common design that could
meet the requirements of the Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force. Carriers vs. land-based
airfields. It cannot be done. The contracts and politicians made the case that it could be
done. The F-35 is the dismal result.
Russian weapons are designed by the military and then outsourced to government-industries
or private contractors for production. US weapons are designed by contractors to maximize
profits and then forced on the military services by politicians. Go figure the outcomes.
The US military exists to enslave the majority and to force them to pay the majority of
their incomes in taxes.
This is a silly comment. All taxing authority (which in turn also implies monetary
authority) is dependent on state power. Military power is but one aspect of state power. To
that we can add police forces, courts, and of course the the tax authorities themselves.
There are also the non-coercive aspects of state power such as propaganda, legitimacy, social
services, public employees, etc.
If the primary purpose of the US military were to enslave the domestic population, both
its deployment and its weapons would be completely different. Instead of a global empire of
bases which won't even protect the Southern border, armed forces would be arrayed in bases
located outside of major metropolitan areas.
The army would have a lot more armor, artillery, infantry, and airpower. The air force
would have low performance aircraft with large payloads. The navy would be more of a
gendarmerie.
And almost no one in America pays the majority of his income in taxes. Some people far
into the top bracket in California who are very bad at tax planning and hate capital gains
and qualified dividends perhaps.
What do Americans get in exchange for their taxes? Do they get health insurance? No. Do
they get retirement benefits? No, unless you consider $1000 or less a month in social
security a "retirement." Maybe if you live in your car. Do they get decent roads? No. Do
they get decent public transportation?
In other words you're a social democrat, and for that matter your statements aren't
correct.
Poor Americans and elderly Americans get health insurance from the government.
The maximum monthly social security benefit is $3,538.
The roads are not bad at all in most of the country.
Can't argue with you on mass transit of course.
I'd rather have minimal safety nets and an expansive private sector (stripped of
rent-seeking, monopolistic, and parasitic elements to be sure). This is a class and
ideological issue with trade-offs.
What is damning is the relative inefficiency of public spending in America relative to
many other industrial countries, and this isn't all owing to the bloated military-industrial
complex (which is also inefficient). The country spends as much tax money on health
insurance as many other countries but fails to cover the entire population. The pay-as-you
pension system has an abysmal rate of return. Infrastructure projects are cartoonishly
expensive compared to other rich countries.
You can be absolutely 100% sure that huge amount of money will be thrown at Pentagon,
but as some people here astutely observed, most of it will be wasted or stolen.
May be that was Putin's idea. Let them outspend and enlarge the astronomic budget US's
deficit. In the end with 2500 strategic nukes on each side, MAD will remain firmly in place
with or whithout NMD.
Is it not clear that the US generals have sold out America's defenses to Israel – J-MIC
rules the Pentagon. We fight wars for Israel – we are NOT defending America. We have
lost our Twentieth century defensive edge. We now have a military that is good at
assassinating village chiefs (and their families).
The US generals keep expanding the geography of their killing until there is going to be a
true world war. The cold-hard fact is that our US generals are defending Israel not America. Our US
generals are not doing American defense – they are doing Israeli offence.
Why is every US general a supporter of Israel? The trillions of dollars spent on the ME are depleting our defenses at home. Is this not
obvious? The J-MIC must be taken on!
Think Peace -- Art
p.s. In true fascist order, Netanyahu is meeting Trump today – in un-American
fashion, there will be no free press asking questions.
p.s. How does that bastard get to dictate to our country – ignoring our values.
May be that was Putin's idea. Let them outspend and enlarge the astronomic budget US's
deficit. In the end with 2500 strategic nukes on each side, MAD will remain firmly in place
with or whitout NMD.
The main idea was to show futility of most American strategies re: Russia, including
useless and immensely expensive ABM program. This, by definition, should "coerce" American
"elites" into more constructive mode.
Again, the whole nature of the American military
posture since 1970s is lack of any desire to play by the rules, including within the
more-or-less stable framework of MAD. In fact, the US constantly tries to exit MAD framework.
Now it is over for US, it may try to exit MAD whatever it wants–it doesn't matter: US
is completely defenseless against both nuclear and conventional HPWs. Again, since 2010
Russia's Military Doctrine, reiterated in 2014 edition of same, the use of high precision
conventional weapons IS stated as means of strategic power containment. Obviously, most of US
"experts" seldom comprehend what they read from Russia, but it is their problem.
As per bankrupting itself–sorry, but the US is already bankrupt and the only exit
from this situation for US is coercion of Europe and American re-industrialization. Is it
possible at this stage? I doubt it but we still have to wait and see. A huge part of the US
"dominance" was its claim to being capable to power wrestle anyone on the planet. This is
absolutely NOT the case anymore. hasn't been for quite some time, without this military
mythology the globalist economic "order" begins to crumble–a process we all observe
today. So, in summary–it is not one or the other thing, it is many things together
working both in concert and providing synergistic effect. On March 1st Putin declared
Russia's absolute sovereignty–as I said, we are entering new post-Pax American world,
and I mean right this very moment as I type this.
I've often thought there should be international war games where, for example, the
Russians are authorized to launch a missile "attack" on some deserted area with dummy
warheads, and we're obliged to shoot them down to thwart the attack, and vice versa.
The USA should return to the method used before the 1980s where government organizations
developed weapons and then contracted production to the private sector.
This is a blatant admission that free market economy which is the source of innovation and
efficiency is a hoax and a failure. Free market economy is nothing but a façade and a 3
Cup Scam to stealing from the people en masse without raising a fuss.
Second will Russia use their new and potentially superior position to offer protection
to its neighbours and eventually kick America out of Eurasia.
As Syria's example shows, one of the major Russian exports of the future will be, in
fact–already is, a political stability and defense against "regime changes". This
"product" will be in a very high demand.
Putin offered Bush superior sites for a radar to monitor Iran. Bush refused and insisted
on a site that monitored Russia as least as well. After that, Putin lost trust in US
intentions. Bush screwed up so much.
My main comment on these weapons. How to pay for all this, infrastructure renewal, double the
growth rate alongside a huge decline in work force and all those new pensioners seeking
healthcare? World class Big Data too. Productivity growth needs new investment which needs
modest interest rates. That's not really happening, a Rotenberg project or so excluded.
As Syria's example shows, one of the major Russian exports of the future will be, in
fact–already is, a political stability and defense against "regime changes". This
"product" will be in a very high demand.
Whatever the next major conflict, who are friends are will matter -- especially on the
question of the breadth and scope extended operations.
Can you name one friend the United States has that's not bought and paid for –
including Israel? You can't be serious in trotting out the assertion the US has any friends
who would remain friends more than 30 minutes following failure on delivery of the latest
foreign aid check.
Not to mention the numerous and immensely large sums (Trillions?) that have simply
disappeared "in" the Pentagon. Donald Rumsfeld made one such announcement on 10/11/2001.
Obviously, beyond the greed focused MIC there is a much more serious implication of US
last experiencing, but only a medium intensity, war in its Civil War so long ago. The much
more serious implication is that it is dishing out war mush more readily than any other
nation on the planet.
The reason that Ziocon parasites have found such a fertile ground in
the US is almost like an isolated island, whose people consider war to be entertainment
(shock & awe), have never had any serious family or home losses from it and are dumb and
uneducated enough to be pulled by their noses through their MSM to any war that Ziocons
fancy.
In short, [MIC is a bunch of] smart parasites feeding on dumb f*cks.
Another point is that the parasites control and profit from the fully enclosed war
cycle:
Media,
Weapon building industry,
Post-war reconstruction industry and
More stolen oil, water and land for Israel.
In such system, the efficiency is an absolutely last (unprofitable) consideration.
Therefore, US winning a war against Russia? Not in the next hundred years militarily but
possibly through subterfuge: assasinations and regime change.
Looks like in order to make such a statement Putin should have intelligence information
about a real threat of attack from the USA, or some large scale provocation in Syria or
Ukraine. Only in this case his statement makes some sense. As a open warning: do not do
it.
It's an interesting commentary, and I came to the same conclusion. Threats, braggadocio
(We Are Empire) and general hubris are features of 21st century American foreign policy
– not Russian, so I have to interpret Putin's statement as reactive. There is something
out there that Putin is aware of, and he's saying "Don't do It".
America is incapable of viewing itself through the eyes of others, and has the kind of
blind arrogance that I would best compare to late 19th and early 20th Century German
militarism – the deeply embedded German worldview (long before Hitler) of superiority,
destiny, and the corresponding natural right to Empire. Hitler was only the last in a long
line of German exponents of this view when he said "According to the laws of nature, the soil
belongs to he who conquers it. The fact of having children who want to live, the fact that
our people is bursting out of its cramped frontiers – these justify all of our claims
to the Eastern spaces."
It took two World Wars, and Russian troops in Berlin, to rid the world of this cancer
– and the same dynamic is now at work again. The crazed Imperialist is the USA (or at
least its Zio-Glob leadership), but with the difference that a technological WW3 will be over
in a matter of days if not hours.
Obviously, beyond the greed focused MIC there is a much more serious implication of US
last experiencing, but only a medium intensity, war in its Civil War so long ago. The much
more serious implication is that it is dishing out war mush more readily than any other
nation on the planet. The reason that Ziocon parasites have found such a fertile ground in
the US is almost like an isolated island, whose people consider war to be entertainment
(shock & awe), have never had any serious family or home losses from it and are dumb and
uneducated enough to be pulled by their noses through their MSM to any war that Ziocons
fancy.
In short, smart parasites feeding on dumb f*cks.
Another point is that the parasites control and profit from the fully enclosed war
cycle:
Media,
Weapon building industry,
Post-war reconstruction industry and
More stolen oil, water and land for Israel.
In such system, the efficiency is an absolutely last (unprofitable) consideration.
Therefore, US winning a war against Russia? Not in the next hundred years militarily but
possibly through subterfuge: assasinations and regime change.
"... It was President Bill Clinton who moved NATO eastwards, abrogating a 1991 agreement with the Russians not to recruit former members of the Warsaw Pact that is at the root of current tensions with Moscow. And, while the U.S. and NATO point to Russia's annexation of the Crimea as a sign of a "revanchist" Moscow, it was NATO that set the precedent of altering borders when it dismembered Serbia to create Kosovo after the 1999 Yugoslav war. ..."
"... And it was President Barack Obama who further chilled relations with the Russians by tacitly backing the 2014 coup in the Ukraine, and whose "Asia pivot" has led to tensions between Washington and Beijing. ..."
"... In speaking at Johns Hopkins, Defense Secretary James Mattis warned , "If you challenge us, it will be your longest and worst day" -- a remark aimed directly at Russia. ..."
"... NATO ally Britain went even further. Chief of the United Kingdom General Staff, Nick Carter, told the Defense and Security Forum that "our generation has become used to wars of choice since the end of the Cold War," but "we may not have a choice about conflict with Russia." He added , "The parallels with 1914 are stark." ..."
"... Certainly the verbiage about Russia and China is alarming. Russia is routinely described as "aggressive," "revisionist," and "expansionist." In a recent attack on China, U.S. Defense Secretary Rex Tillerson described China's trade with Latin America as " imperial ," an ironic choice of words given Washington's more overtly imperial history in the region. ..."
"... While Moscow is certainly capable of destroying the world with its nuclear weapons, Russia today bears little resemblance to 1914 Russia -- or, for that matter, the Soviet Union. ..."
"... The U.S. and its NATO allies currently spend more than 12 times what Russia does on its armaments, and even that vastly underestimates Washington's actual military outlay. A great deal of U.S. spending is not counted as "military," including nuclear weapons, currently being modernized to the tune of $1.5 trillion. ..."
"... The balance between China and the U.S. is more even, but the U.S. still outspends China almost three to one. Fact in Washington's major regional allies -- Japan, Australia, and South Korea -- and that figure is almost four to one. In nuclear weapons, the ratio is vastly greater: 26 to 1 in favor of the U.S. Add NATO and the ratios are 28 to 1. ..."
"... Meanwhile, China has two military goals: to secure its sea-borne energy supplies by building up its navy, and to establish a buffer zone in the East and South China seas to keep potential enemies at arm's length. To that end it has constructed smaller, more agile ships, and missiles capable of keeping U.S. aircraft carriers out of range, a strategy called "area denial." It has also modernized its military, cutting back on land-based forces and investing in air and sea assets. However, it spends less of its GDP on its military than does the U.S.: 1.9 percent as opposed to 3.3 percent as of 2016. ..."
"... But China has been invaded several times, starting with the Opium Wars of 1839 and 1856, when Britain forced the Chinese to lift their ban on importing the drug. Japan invaded in 1895 and 1937. If the Chinese are touchy about their coastline, one can hardly blame them. ..."
"... Is this a new Cold War, when the U.S. attempted to surround and isolate the Soviet Union? There are parallels, but the Cold War was an ideological battle between two systems, socialism and capitalism. The fight today is over market access and economic domination. When Secretary of State Rex Tillerson warned Latin America about China and Russia, it wasn't about "Communist subversion," but trade. ..."
"... For one, the big arms manufacturers -- Lockheed Martian, Boeing, Raytheon, BAE Systems, Northrop Grumman, and General Dynamics -- have lots of cash to hand out come election time. "Great power competition" will be expensive, with lots of big-ticket items: aircraft carriers, submarines, surface ships, and an expanded air force. ..."
"... And many of the Democrats are ahead of the curve when it comes to demonizing the Russians. The Russian bug-a-boo has allowed the party to shift the blame for Hillary Clinton's loss to Moscow's manipulation of the election, thus avoiding having to examine its own lackluster campaign and unimaginative political program. ..."
"... Piling onto Moscow may have consequences as well. Andrei Kostin, head of one of Russia's largest banks, VTB, told the Financial Times that adding more sanctions against Russia " would be like declaring war ." ..."
The U.S. has never taken its eyes off its big competitors.
It was President Bill Clinton who moved NATO eastwards, abrogating a 1991 agreement with the
Russians not to recruit former members of the Warsaw Pact that is at the root of current
tensions with Moscow. And, while the U.S. and NATO point to Russia's annexation of the Crimea
as a sign of a "revanchist" Moscow, it was NATO that set the precedent of altering borders when
it dismembered Serbia to create Kosovo after the 1999 Yugoslav war.
It was President George W. Bush who designated China a "strategic competitor," and who tried
to lure India into an anti-Chinese alliance by allowing New Delhi to violate the Nuclear
Non-Proliferation Treaty. Letting India purchase uranium on the international market -- it was
barred from doing so by refusing to sign the NPT -- helped ignite the dangerous nuclear arms
race with Pakistan in South Asia.
And it was President Barack Obama who further chilled relations with the Russians by tacitly
backing the 2014 coup in the Ukraine, and whose "Asia pivot" has led to tensions between
Washington and Beijing.
So is jettisoning "terrorism" as the enemy in favor of "great powers" just old wine, new
bottle? Not quite. For one thing the new emphasis has a decidedly more dangerous edge to
it.
1914 vs. Today
In speaking at Johns Hopkins, Defense Secretary
James Mattis warned , "If you challenge us, it will be your longest and worst day" -- a
remark aimed directly at Russia.
NATO ally Britain went even further. Chief of the United Kingdom General Staff, Nick
Carter, told the Defense and Security Forum that "our generation has become used to wars of
choice since the end of the Cold War," but "we may not have a choice about conflict with
Russia."
He added , "The parallels with 1914 are stark."
Certainly the verbiage about Russia and China is alarming. Russia is routinely described
as "aggressive," "revisionist," and "expansionist." In a recent attack on China, U.S. Defense
Secretary Rex Tillerson described China's trade with Latin America as "
imperial ," an ironic choice of words given Washington's more overtly imperial history in the
region.
But there are differences between now and the run up to the First World War. In 1914, there
were several powerful and evenly matched empires at odds. That is not the case today.
While Moscow is certainly capable of destroying the world with its nuclear weapons,
Russia today bears little resemblance to 1914 Russia -- or, for that matter, the Soviet
Union.
The U.S. and its NATO allies currently spend
more than 12 times what Russia does on its armaments, and even that vastly underestimates
Washington's actual military outlay. A great deal of U.S. spending is not counted as
"military," including nuclear weapons, currently being modernized to the tune of $1.5
trillion.
The balance between China and the U.S. is more even, but the U.S. still outspends China
almost three to one. Fact in Washington's major regional allies -- Japan, Australia, and South
Korea -- and that figure is almost four to one. In nuclear weapons, the ratio is vastly
greater: 26 to 1 in favor of the U.S. Add NATO and the ratios are 28 to 1.
This isn't to say that the military forces of Russia and China are irrelevant. Russia's
intervention in the Syrian civil war helped turn the tide against the anti-Assad coalition put
together by the United States. But its economy is smaller than Italy's, and its "aggression" is
arguably a response to NATO establishing a presence on Moscow's doorstep.
Meanwhile, China has two military goals: to secure its sea-borne energy supplies by
building up its navy, and to establish a buffer zone in the East and South China seas to keep
potential enemies at arm's length. To that end it has constructed smaller, more agile ships,
and missiles capable of keeping U.S. aircraft carriers out of range, a strategy called "area
denial." It has also modernized its military, cutting back on land-based forces and investing
in air and sea assets. However, it spends less of its GDP on its military than does the U.S.:
1.9 percent as
opposed to 3.3 percent as of 2016.
Beijing has been heavy-handed in establishing "area denial," alienating many of its
neighbors -- Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines, and Taiwan -- by claiming most of the South
China Sea and building bases in the Paracel and Spratly islands.
But China has been invaded several times, starting with the Opium Wars of 1839 and 1856,
when Britain forced the Chinese to lift their ban on importing the drug. Japan invaded in 1895
and 1937. If the Chinese are touchy about their coastline, one can hardly blame them.
China is, however, the United States' major competitor and the second largest economy in the
world. It has replaced the U.S. as Latin America's largest trading partner and successfully
outflanked Washington's attempts to throttle its economic influence. When the U.S. asked its
key allies to boycott China's new Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, with
the exception of Japan , they ignored Washington.
However, commercial success is hardly "imperial."
Is this a new Cold War, when the U.S. attempted to surround and isolate the Soviet
Union? There are parallels, but the Cold War was an ideological battle between two systems,
socialism and capitalism. The fight today is over market access and economic domination. When
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson warned Latin America about China and Russia, it wasn't about
"Communist subversion," but trade.
Behind the Shift
There are other players behind this shift.
For one, the big arms manufacturers -- Lockheed Martian, Boeing, Raytheon, BAE Systems,
Northrop Grumman, and General Dynamics -- have lots of cash to hand out come election time.
"Great power competition" will be expensive, with lots of big-ticket items: aircraft carriers,
submarines, surface ships, and an expanded air force.
This is not to say that the U.S. has altered its foreign policy focus because of arms
company lobbies, but they do have a seat at the table. And given that those companies have
spread their operations to all 50 states, local political representatives and governors have a
stake in keeping -- and expanding -- those often high paying jobs.
Nor are the Republicans going to get much opposition on increased defense spending from the
Democrats, many of whom are as hawkish as their colleagues across the aisle. That's true even
though higher defense spending -- coupled with the recent tax cut bill -- will rule out funding
many of the programs the Democrats hold dear. Of course, for the Republicans that dilemma is a
major side benefit: cut taxes, increase defense spending, then dismantle social services,
Social Security, and Medicare in order to service the deficit.
And many of the Democrats are ahead of the curve when it comes to demonizing the
Russians. The Russian bug-a-boo has allowed the party to shift the blame for Hillary Clinton's
loss to Moscow's manipulation of the election, thus avoiding having to examine its own
lackluster campaign and unimaginative political program.
There are other actors pushing this new emphasis as well, including the Bush
administration's neoconservatives who launched the Iraq War. Their new target is Iran, even
though inflating Iran to the level of a "great power" is laughable. Iran's military budget is
$12.3 billion. Saudi Arabia alone spends $63.7 billion on defense, slightly less than Russia,
which has five times the population and eight times the land area. In a clash between Iran and
the U.S. and its local allies, the disparity in military strength would be closer to 60 to 1 .
However, in terms of disasters, even Iraq would pale before a war with Iran.
The most dangerous place in the world right now is the Korean Peninsula, where the Trump
administration appears to be casting around for some kind of military demonstration that will
not ignite a nuclear war. But how would China react to an attack that might put hostile troops
on its southern border?
Piling onto Moscow may have consequences as well. Andrei Kostin, head of one of Russia's
largest banks, VTB, told the Financial Times that adding more sanctions against Russia "
would be like
declaring war ."
"... The inherent drain on procurement includes loading, such as marketing for more and more programs, and McMansions for the C-Suite parasites, from performance bonuses whose intended incentives can always be negated with revenue growth. It's as if you decided to bulk up, but instead of lifting weights you injected yourself with CIA's metastasizing-cancer toxin. The beltway cannot possibly keep up. ..."
"... One cannot buy a history (albeit many in Washington think that it is possible) one has to experience it and built national institutions accordingly. US "elites" simply have no grasp what real war is. ..."
"... Therefore, US winning a war against Russia? Not in the next hundred years militarily but possibly through subterfuge: assasinations and regime change. ..."
Technology is not the factor that makes this leapfrog so hopeless for the US MIC. The structure of Russia's defense industrial
base is inherently more agile and efficient because it's a resource of the state and not exclusively a private profit center.
Back when the USSR had just collapsed in the expectation of peace and disarmament, Russian defense industries lost interest
in weapons and looked to commercial markets. They pitched projects like satellite systems they could field at one percent of the
cost of existing systems. You read that right. Comparable US systems were two orders of magnitude more expensive. Russia's defense
industrial base continued to out-innovate the Pentagon.
The US counter is to spend ten times more and piss away 95% of it. The inherent drain on procurement includes loading, such
as marketing for more and more programs, and McMansions for the C-Suite parasites, from performance bonuses whose intended incentives
can always be negated with revenue growth. It's as if you decided to bulk up, but instead of lifting weights you injected yourself
with CIA's metastasizing-cancer toxin. The beltway cannot possibly keep up.
Technology is not the factor that makes this leapfrog so hopeless for the US MIC. The structure of Russia's defense industrial
base is inherently more agile and efficient because it's a resource of the state and not exclusively a private profit center.
I agree with your thesis but the major factor here is a cultural one -- a dramatically different attitude to war between Russia
and US. I wrote about this here:
In layman's lingo, the United States lacks geographic, historic, cultural, economic and technological pressures to develop
and have a coherent defensive military doctrine and weapons which would help to implement it.
One cannot buy a history (albeit many in Washington think that it is possible) one has to experience it and built national
institutions accordingly. US "elites" simply have no grasp what real war is.
Obviously, beyond the greed focused MIC there is a much more serious implication of US last experiencing, but only a medium
intensity, war in its Civil War so long ago. The much more serious implication is that it is dishing out war mush more readily
than any other nation on the planet. The reason that Ziocon parasites have found such a fertile ground in the US is almost like
an isolated island, whose people consider war to be entertainment (shock & awe), have never had any serious family or home losses
from it and are dumb and uneducated enough to be pulled by their noses through their MSM to any war that Ziocons fancy.
In short, smart parasites feeding on dumb f*cks.
Another point is that the parasites control and profit from the fully enclosed war cycle:
Media,
Weapon building industry,
Post-war reconstruction industry and
More stolen oil, water and land for Israel.
In such system, the efficiency is an absolutely last (unprofitable) consideration.
Therefore, US winning a war against Russia? Not in the next hundred years militarily but possibly through subterfuge: assasinations
and regime change.
McMaster is a danger tot he USA and the world as a whole. Trump disingaged from forign policy and now generals are
running it.
Notable quotes:
"... I stopped listening to McMaster at one point. Quite early really. I wish there was a transcript around. But on first sight there isn't. But yes, 'revisionist' surfaced. ..."
"... Senator Lindsey Graham wants to attack North Korea. China promises to defend North Korea if attacked by the USA. If nuclear weapons are used by anyone; destroying Seoul, Pyongyang, Kyoto, Tokyo or Guam, the war will explode. China has 65 hardened ICBMs that can survive a first attack and destroy every major American city. Russia cannot sit out a world war blowing up directly South of Siberia. ..."
"... Simply put, Washington DC has become unhinged. The military is free to do whatever it wants. The western economic system is in slow-motion collapse. There is too much debt. Either the people will force the oligarchs to write down the debt and end the wars; or, fighting over the remains, the corrupt elite will kill off mankind. ..."
"... He has given the quartet too much leeway and they for some naïve reason are far too willing to listen to the Israelis always whispering in their ears. GC Marshall was right when he warned Truman against a future dominated by the existence of Israel. pl ..."
I have been reflecting about Reagan too in recent contributions here. Not least since Trump
seemed to try to emulate the GOP's greatest hero.
From the original Strategic Statement, casting Russia and China as 'rivals and
competitors', the subsequent Defense Posture Statement elevated the latter from mere rivals,
to 'revisionist powers'
I stopped listening to McMaster at one point. Quite early really. I wish there was a
transcript around. But on first sight there isn't. But yes, 'revisionist' surfaced. As
curiously enough this did: "rogue regimes (ME north East Asia) are developing the most
destructive weapons on earth."
Maybe I listen to him now. Relevant parts start at 1:45.
******
That said, what I still have huge troubles seemingly is to wrap my head around is the huge
applause Trump got on SST, while it left me more then a little irritated, when delivering his
foreign policy speech in April 2016. That was before Russia-Gate made news.
"These US generals have shown themselves to be shallow-minded believers in a doctrine of US
invincibility and universal dominance that is no longer applicable to the world we live in."
General Ali, if I remember correctly you reside in Canada, those who are brought up in and
under US system, majority think of their country in this way, it's part of the mentality that
the system educates and trains it's constituency, to think they are exceptional, invincible
and above all others. From what I have learned, this is not unique to just these four
generals, this is how even the regular police thinks regardless of state or community they
serve. This is how every child has been thought early on.
This week NBC News described the White House as "unglued". The owner of Comcast that owns
NBC, Brian L. Roberts (Barrack Obama's friend), and the five other media moguls want Donald
Trump gone. All that has stopped them so far are four Generals. This is highly unstable. The
USA has already killed Russians in Syria. Turkey is heading towards attacking American troops
in Manbij. U.S. trainers are in the trenches with Ukraine troops in the Donbass. Anyone who
is against this madness is labeled as a Russian collaborator.
Senator Lindsey Graham wants to attack North Korea. China promises to defend North
Korea if attacked by the USA. If nuclear weapons are used by anyone; destroying Seoul,
Pyongyang, Kyoto, Tokyo or Guam, the war will explode. China has 65 hardened ICBMs that can
survive a first attack and destroy every major American city. Russia cannot sit out a world
war blowing up directly South of Siberia.
Simply put, Washington DC has become unhinged. The military is free to do whatever it
wants. The western economic system is in slow-motion collapse. There is too much debt. Either
the people will force the oligarchs to write down the debt and end the wars; or, fighting
over the remains, the corrupt elite will kill off mankind.
If somehow, the use of nuclear weapons is avoided; at best, South Korea, the heart of the
Asian Economy, will be destroyed. The drumbeats for war with North Korea, Iran and/or Russia
is crazy.
I agree that the "Four of Hearts" among the generals now running US foreign policy are a
great danger. These men seem incapable of rising above the Russophobia that grew in the
atmosphere of the Cold War. They yearn for world hegemony for the US and to see Russia and to
a lesser extent China and Iran as obstacles to that dominion for the "city on a hill."
Trump is as yet indifferent to such matters and is in pursuit of his mercantilist view of
economics. He has given the quartet too much leeway and they for some naïve reason
are far too willing to listen to the Israelis always whispering in their ears. GC Marshall
was right when he warned Truman against a future dominated by the existence of Israel.
pl
Offensive weapons are cheaper the comprehensive defense. For example specialized supersonic
missile for destroying anti-missile sites are much cheaper then anti-missile sites. So Putin
gamble against US anti-missile system is a right one and much cheaper, which is important for
Russia. But with Ukraine under total US control Putin still suffered a huge geopolitical
defeat.
Mr. Putin said Russia had developed the weaponry because the United States had rejected
established arms control treaties and was deploying new missile defense systems in Europe and
Asia.
... ... ..
The new Russian weapons would render such defenses obsolete... and if anyone found a
workaround, "our boys will think of something new."
... ... ...
Mr. Putin's guns-and-butter, Russia-can-do-it-all speech came 17 days before the March 18
election. It seemed intended to reassure voters that expanded social spending would help solve
the economic problems of the past four years, while sending the message that Mr. Putin was
their best hope in protecting a Russia portrayed as a besieged fortress.
... ... ...
On the social front, Mr. Putin promised to double government spending on health care and
raise pensions. He said Russia would reduce the poverty rate -- official statistics indicate
that around 14 million Russians live below the poverty line -- by 2024.
... ... ...
Mr. Putin also said that life expectancy, currently at 73, a leap from when he first took
office in 2000, should exceed 80 by 2030.
... ... ...
For years, Mr. Putin has chafed at the perceived disrespect showed to him and Russia by the
United States. "Nobody listened to Russia," he said near the end of the speech, to huge
applause. "Well, listen up now."
"... Yes but very slowly. Russia consistently confounds my western sense of escalation by slicing all situations into tiny increments, smaller than I would have guessed they could be sliced, but on inspection completely realistic and sane. ..."
"... And at the end of each gradual path of escalation sits a hammer blow so final that every time it strikes the world has changed, in the blink of an eye. ..."
"... You wake up and Russia's in Syria. You wake up and every map of Crimea needs to be changed. You wake up and it takes the sane perspective of people like b to narrate how the Munich speech warning of consequences spent 11 years in the preparation, and on this day the Kremlin decided the time to announce this had come. ..."
"... The US has shown nothing but developmental incompetence for some years now. No amount of forced science on special projects can compensate for the systemic failures of a naval fleet that can't steer straight, a trillion-dollar 5th-gen plane that actually doesn't work to 5th-gen standards, and the clear display of a Military Complex saturated with corruption. The gang that can't shoot straight is incapable of peer warfare. You'd hate to be a village without some nuclear arms to protect you in the next 3-4 years, but otherwise the US is done as a world force, and Putin's speech is the milestone of that. ..."
"... The stupidity that the US is trapped it is fealty to the God of Mammon. If your first priority is to make profit then making good stuff become secondary and your competitors have you for lunch ..."
"... Pushing the US into an arms race will be the final nail in its bankruptcy coffin. Are the other nations of the world going to continue to buy Treasuries so we can build weapons to suppress them more? ..."
@39 V. Arnold - "I sense the gloves are coming off"
Yes but very slowly. Russia consistently confounds my western sense of escalation by
slicing all situations into tiny increments, smaller than I would have guessed they could be
sliced, but on inspection completely realistic and sane.
And at the end of each gradual path of escalation sits a hammer blow so final that every
time it strikes the world has changed, in the blink of an eye.
You wake up and Russia's in
Syria. You wake up and every map of Crimea needs to be changed. You wake up and it takes the
sane perspective of people like b to narrate how the Munich speech warning of consequences
spent 11 years in the preparation, and on this day the Kremlin decided the time to announce
this had come.
And with the announcement of the fruition of the last warning comes also the next warning,
that new systems are in development and they will be developed.
~~
@14 karlof1
I like what you're saying about an arms race. And so let the US try. Let it either do
nothing and bluster in its media, or else attempt to catch up and step into the real world to
match the forces playing at the table. Either way it achieves nothing of substance.
The US has shown nothing but developmental incompetence for some years now. No amount of
forced science on special projects can compensate for the systemic failures of a naval fleet
that can't steer straight, a trillion-dollar 5th-gen plane that actually doesn't work to
5th-gen standards, and the clear display of a Military Complex saturated with corruption. The
gang that can't shoot straight is incapable of peer warfare. You'd hate to be a village
without some nuclear arms to protect you in the next 3-4 years, but otherwise the US is done
as a world force, and Putin's speech is the milestone of that.
The US is trapped in its own stupidity.
I'd say, stick a fork in it, but Putin could probably describe the 36 gradations of
fork-sticking, and advise me to be patient ;)
@ Grieved who wrote: "The US is trapped in its own stupidity."
The stupidity that the US is trapped it is fealty to the God of Mammon. If your first
priority is to make profit then making good stuff become secondary and your competitors have
you for lunch
Pushing the US into an arms race will be the final nail in its bankruptcy coffin. Are the
other nations of the world going to continue to buy Treasuries so we can build weapons to
suppress them more?
Pushing the US out of Syria will be the test of Putin's strategy. Will it work? I suspect
we will know soon enough.
More than likely the same clown as went by the username milomilo back in the aussie
ambassador thread.
The username this time round links back to a junk news site.
Grieved | Mar 1, 2018 8:58:39 PM | 44
Indeed, Putin seems a man of infinite patience; but calculating and analyzing might be a
better descriptive.
And then there is NATO; standing naked in front of the Bear. When will its citizens (of so
many countries) realize they'll be the first recipients of nuclear wrath wrought by a corrupt
hegemon and its sycophant vassals (redundant?) following an insane behavior not their own? Or
rather, do they realize they now own that inane behavior?
Greived 44 "You'd hate to be a village without some nuclear arms to protect you in the next
3-4 years, but otherwise the US is done as a world force"
I have felt for some time that Putin's aim is to see the US empire done and dusted before
he retires. 3-4 years looks about right as he will be getting on a bit by the end of the next
term.'
America's Beltway wonks admit the USA won't be able to keep up with Russia, bring idea of
abolishing nukes altogether. I have to admit that although I view condition of the United
States as dire and hopeless, I didn't expect to see first signs of folding so soon.
It is Daniel 8. The watchman (Trump) will unfortunately decide to have a big go at
eliminating Syria. The descendant of the Greek shaggy goat is RF. This announcement will be
misread. The US will fall into the Daniel 8 trap. 2017 it erected its first facilities
between the holy mountain and the sea. We are being puppeted into Armageddon. And for a
little tickle consider the Sanhedrin minted coin celebrating Trump's movement of the US
embassy to Jerusalem...he is put on same level as Cyrus...the anointed one...messiah...Cyrus
is considered by the Judaics as a messiah...Trump is being lauded by them as a new messiah in
the vein of Cyrus.
p
You are right on. The hypersonic Russian cruise missile rules; the US has nothing like it. And
we have seen that the evolution of battleship-->carrier-->cruise missile is complete.
First planes from carriers out-distanced battleship rounds, now cruise missiles have
out-distanced carrier planes (plus speed and maneuver). Bye-bye carrier fleets in peer
conflict. At 12 billion each, plus the cost of the escorts and the 5,000 crew (prospects for
Davey Jones's locker). Still effective against third world.
Actually they have a small presence anyhow because they are high maintenance. Currently, as
usual, only two carriers of the US eleven are deployed as seen here . Two of eleven!!
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 1, 2018 10:24:24 PM |
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This is mainly about the defense of neoliberal empire which is challenge by Russia who does not wants to be Washington
vassal and China who is rising economic power that challenge the US world dominance and status quo of dollar as the main reserve
currency. There are also some oil related consideration as weakening and dismembering Russia while capturing its oil and gar
resources can postpone the day of becoming for the USA and Western Europe.
Notable quotes:
"... `We will continue to prosecute the campaign against terrorists, but great-power competition – not terrorism – is now the primary focus of US national security.' Henceforth Russia and China will be America's main enemies, with Iran and North Korea thrown in for good measure. ..."
"... At the same time, the US is fast running out of Muslim targets to bomb, now that the bogeyman ISIS has vanished into thin air and US air attacks in Syria are being minimized for fear of clashing with Russia. Iran still remains on the US potential hit list. ..."
"... Which brings us back to General 'Mad Dog' Mattis. He is quite right that so-called terrorists (that's anyone who actively opposes the Lex Americana) pose no real life or death threat to the US mainland. ..."
"... Of course, this supposes the US is ready for war. In truth, neither the US and NATO nor Russia are in any way prepared to fight a real war on land, sea and air. Military forces on both sides have been so run down and depleted by little wars and budget cuts that there are serious shortages of war stocks and aging equipment. ..."
"... Key NATO member Germany is in a shambles. Its feminized military, run by a nice but incompetent lady defense minister, could not fight its way out of a paper bag. France is not much better off. The US armed forces and Britain are critically short of spares, munitions, transport, and armor. Russia's once mighty Red Army is short of everything. Both east and west are simply unready for a real war. ..."
"... As if there is any reason for one. There is not. Those jackanapes in the US Congress and media trying to inflate online mischief by 20-something Russian hackers into a second Pearl Harbor are crying 'fire' in a crowded theater. ..."
"... A final respectful note to Gen. Mattis (my dad was a marine): A good general does not pick a fight with two, far–away major powers at once. The trick is to turn them against one another. Declaring a future war against China and Russia is a crazy idea. Only draft-dodgers and generals who lost the Vietnam War could come up with it. ..."
`We will continue to prosecute the campaign against terrorists, but great-power competition
– not terrorism – is now the primary focus of US national security.' Henceforth
Russia and China will be America's main enemies, with Iran and North Korea thrown in for good
measure.
So declared US Secretary of Defense, James Mattis, last week in a statement of profound
importance for the world.
For the past seventeen years, the US military has been laying waste to the Muslim world in
the faux `war on terrorism.' Afghanistan, Iraq, much of Syria, Somalia, Pakistan – all
have been heavily bombed. US B-52's and B-1 heavy bombers have tried to pound those resisting
American 'guidance' into submission.
In Afghanistan, America's longest war, President Donald Trump ordered a doubling of bombing
against Taliban forces battling US occupation. Now, the US is running very low on bombs, guided
munitions and even air-to-air missiles for some reason. Stores of munitions are being rushed
from the US Pacific command to the Mideast.
At the same time, the US is fast running out of Muslim targets to bomb, now that the
bogeyman ISIS has vanished into thin air and US air attacks in Syria are being minimized for
fear of clashing with Russia. Iran still remains on the US potential hit list.
Which brings us back to General 'Mad Dog' Mattis. He is quite right that so-called
terrorists (that's anyone who actively opposes the Lex Americana) pose no real life or death
threat to the US mainland.
But if so, how then to maintain the $1 trillion US military budget? Well, of course, trot
out those good old 'Reds Under Our Beds.' Actually, the Pentagon has been planning a new war
with China for the past three years, a mainly air and naval conflict to dominate China's coasts
and seas. The Pentagon is loading up on new aircraft, missiles, satellites and naval craft for
the next Pacific War, and trying to enlist India as an ally against China.
But what then about Russia? Not so easy. The likely theater for a US-Russia clash is on the
Baltic coast, Ukraine, the Black Sea or Syria. In this case, the US would be confronted by the
same problem that afflicted France in the fall of 1939.
Few people know that it was France that first attacked Germany, not the other way around.
Responding to the German invasion of Poland, France and Britain declared war on Germany. French
divisions began to invade Germany's Rhineland. But after a few skirmishes the French high
command, under the inept Gen. Maurice Gamelin, didn't know what to do next. Germany was large,
and the defensive-minded French did not anticipate occupying its entire country.
After a brief demonstration, the French Army withdrew behind the Maginot Line. Hitler did
not counter-attack in hope he could forge a peace treaty with London and Paris. Winston
Churchill and his fellow imperialists furiously sought to push Britain into war with Germany.
But months of inactivity went by, known as the 'Sitzkrieg' or ' drôle de guerre'
until Germany acted decisively.
This would also be America's problem in a war against Russia. How deep into Russia to attack
(assuming no use of nuclear weapons)? How to protect ever lengthening supply lines? Napoleon
and Hitler faced the same challenges and failed.
Of course, this supposes the US is ready for war. In truth, neither the US and NATO nor
Russia are in any way prepared to fight a real war on land, sea and air. Military forces on
both sides have been so run down and depleted by little wars and budget cuts that there are
serious shortages of war stocks and aging equipment.
Key NATO member Germany is in a shambles. Its feminized military, run by a nice but
incompetent lady defense minister, could not fight its way out of a paper bag. France is not
much better off. The US armed forces and Britain are critically short of spares, munitions,
transport, and armor. Russia's once mighty Red Army is short of everything. Both east and west
are simply unready for a real war.
As if there is any reason for one. There is not. Those jackanapes in the US Congress and
media trying to inflate online mischief by 20-something Russian hackers into a second Pearl
Harbor are crying 'fire' in a crowded theater.
A final respectful note to Gen. Mattis (my dad was a marine): A good general does not
pick a fight with two, far–away major powers at once. The trick is to turn them against
one another. Declaring a future war against China and Russia is a crazy idea. Only
draft-dodgers and generals who lost the Vietnam War could come up with it.
"... He basically is a Senator for Israel. He totally supports the Israeli foreign policy viewpoint, which is a very hawkish, if you were a Republican you would call him a neocon. ..."
"... Schumer criticized the Obama administration for abstaining on this very basic resolution, which every other country voted for. So the US was still a pariah, because the US didn't vote for it, it just abstained on it. But to Schumer that was not enough, he wanted it to be completely vetoed, because anything that Israel does is sacrosanct, and anyone who criticizes it, in Schumer's eyes, is not someone he wants to ally with politically, so he'd rather affectively ally with Trump. ..."
"... The most recent showing of that allegiance was last month, when Schumer supported Trump's decision to launch an air strike on an Air Force base in Syria, something Israel also strongly supported. ..."
"... The criticism of the Democratic Party is it is the Wall Street and war party. That is Chuck Schumer, and so for him to have this kind of pretend progressive image, it's just so obviously fraudulent. ..."
"... Chuck Schumer has replaced Joe Lieberman as the Senator representing Israeli interests in the Senate. US interests are usually secondary to his machinations ..."
"... Great development and exposure of this hillary-look-alike. Love the phrase 'pretend progressive,' as it describes Schumer to a T. Great piece. ..."
"... Schumer and Clinton must be understood in relation to Israel. Israel to both of them are sacrosant. Israel can do no wrong. Both these two war hawks for Israel takes their orders from Netanyahu. He is like a vice president for Israel in the United States. ..."
"... Schumer (sic) is a scum bucket who ought to be trounced out of the Senate, through the revolving door to his sinecure on Wall Street. Schumer's ultimately loyalties are to his corporate benefactors on Wall Street. Which too is his constituency. ..."
"... Schumer is a puppet for the deep state and the deep state may have some "dirt" on him in order to keep him in line...and his famous quote about the security state: "they have 6 ways to Sunday to get back at you" or something to this effect...makes me wonder what he knows? ..."
"... Israel is the driving force behind disruption of the middle east...the more the middle east is neutralized, the better for Israel...Chuck is one of their best foot soldiers ..."
"... Generals gathered in their masses, just like witches at black masses. Evil minds that plot destruction, sorcerer of death's construction. In the fields the bodies burning, as the war machine keeps turning. Death and hatred to mankind, poisoning their brainwashed minds...Oh lord yeah! ..."
"... Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor ..."
"... Time will tell on their power minds Making war just for fun Treating people just like pawns in chess Wait `till their judgement day comes, yeah! ♪ ..."
Thomas Hedges: In the 2007 book he published, Positively American, in the midst of his campaign against the war, Schumer
admitted that his opposition that year and the year before, was as much about ending a failed policy as it was about getting votes.
In reality Schumer had been one of the war's most ardent supporters, beyond his public display against the war carefully timed for
the 2006 Congressional elections, Schumer in fact pitted much of the blame on Iraqis themselves, arguing that Sunis, Shiites and
Kurds seemed more interested in starting a civil war in Iraq than in receiving help from the Americans and constructing any democratic
central government.
He even said, that in a similar future situation, he might vote again to authorize the use of force against a country like Iraq.
"Today," he wrote in his book, "I still believe that when our country is under attack the chief executive deserves a degree of latitude,
if God forbid, we were attacked again, I could well vote to give it to a future President, Democrat or Republican." And when a Real
News correspondent pressed Schumer in 2007 on US reparations to the Iraqi people, this is what he had to say.
Sam Husseini: Do we owe something to the Iraqi people other than just getting out? Do we owe them reparations for having
brought about this war?
Chuck Schumer: I don't believe that.
Ben Norton: It's hard to find a Democrat that's more gung-ho about war than Chuck Schumer. Not only did he support the
Iraq war, and fearmonger about weapons of mass destruction, he tepidly criticized the Bush administration for how it carried out
the war.
Thomas Hedges: In fact, tepid criticism seems to be Schumer at his most radical. In general, he is someone who supports
hard-line policy decisions, atoning for mistakes only years down the line, and usually because it's politically expedient to do so,
as in an election is about to take place.
Chuck Schumer: If you don't give up and you keep fighting and you're right, you win!
Thomas Hedges: In his early days, Schumer wasn't as focused on foreign policy, in the years before 911 would shift America's
attention to the Middle East, Congressman Schumer, along with the new Democrats like Bill Clinton among others, would exploit the
crime scare of the 1990's in order to gain more votes and more power. During those years, Schumer supported the Omnibus Crime Bill
of 1994, which spiked the prison population. And in 1995 he sponsored the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act, which became the foundation
from which the Patriot Act six years later, was built.
Ben Norton: When it comes to the war on terror he was a very enthusiastic supporter and remains so. He voted for the Patriot
Act, and again this is a supposed Democratic leader, who voted for the Bush administration to take away Americans civil liberties.
Thomas Hedges: In the years straddling 911, he supported many of the same policies Republicans supported. From his tough
on crime approach to supporting war in the Middle East, to defending the surveillance of Muslim groups in New York after 911. Schumer
and the GOP had very few differences, in fact despite shedding tears at a press conference earlier this year after the Muslim ban
that Trump implemented, Schumer himself had proposed something eerily similar.
Ben Norton: In November of 2015, not that long ago, less than two years ago, Schumer also said that the US government should
consider a so called pause on the re-settlement of Syrian refugees. He also, in one of the most egregious yet under reported aspects
of Schumer, previously said that torture should be considered in some places, and he said that, "Oh well if you oppose torture, you
say this now, but you need to put yourself in the shoes of people in these particular situations etc." So he really left torture
on the table.
Before Trump was President, he had actually donated money to Schumer, that of course, represents something, this is not a progressive
Democrat. Schumer actually represents the segment, the influential powerful segment of the Democratic Party, that has helped pave
the way for Donald Trump to carry out many of the policies he's already implementing.
Thomas Hedges: But for voters who have paid attention to Schumer for a long time, the Senator's policy choices are anything
but surprising.
Kevin Zeese:He basically is a Senator for Israel. He totally supports the Israeli foreign policy viewpoint, which
is a very hawkish, if you were a Republican you would call him a neocon.
Ariel Gold: He has come out in strong opposition to the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions movement and was very supportive
of New York Governor Cuomo's order to ban BDS in New York state, and Schumer made a direct statement in support of that.
Thomas Hedges: Schumer's staunch support for Israel has prompted him for example, to criticize the Obama administration,
when in 2016, the United States abstained from a UN Security Council resolution re-affirming something the Council had almost unanimously
upheld since 1979. Namely, that Israel's settlement building projects on Palestinian land violated international law.
Ben Norton:Schumer criticized the Obama administration for abstaining on this very basic resolution, which every other
country voted for. So the US was still a pariah, because the US didn't vote for it, it just abstained on it. But to Schumer that
was not enough, he wanted it to be completely vetoed, because anything that Israel does is sacrosanct, and anyone who criticizes
it, in Schumer's eyes, is not someone he wants to ally with politically, so he'd rather affectively ally with Trump.
Thomas Hedges:The most recent showing of that allegiance was last month, when Schumer supported Trump's decision to
launch an air strike on an Air Force base in Syria, something Israel also strongly supported.
Chuck Schumer: On Syria, I salute the professionalism and skill of our armed forces, who took action last night. The
people of Syria have suffered untold horrors and violence at the hands of Bashar al-Assad and his supporters in Tehran and in
Putin's Russia, making sure that Assad knows when he commits such despicable atrocities he will pay a price, is the right thing
to do.
Thomas Hedges: But perhaps Schumer's greatest show of allegiance to Israel, was his decision to oppose the Iran nuclear
deal, without which experts have warned, would put the United States and Iran on a collision course.
Ben Norton: Under President Obama, Schumer was one of the most prominent Democrats to oppose the Iran nuclear deal, and
he was of course fearmongering about Iran, which to him is the devil incarnate, and he actually made factually false statements about
the nuclear agreement, and claimed that it would allow Iran in 10 years to produce nuclear weapons etc.
Thomas Hedges: Leading up to his decision, Schumer reassured Zionists that he was consulting the most credentialed men
in Washington, including Henry Kissinger, an opponent of the deal, and the man who orchestrated the violent coup in Chile that toppled
its democratically elected leader, as well as the architect of the very bloody Vietnam war.
Chuck Schumer: I spent some time with Dr. Kissinger, I'm spending time with excellence.
Ariel Gold: So it threatened to pull us into another war, and we're back in that threat again with Trump winning the election
we hear a lot about undoing the Iran nuclear deal, and it's one of the things that Israel has been saying they would like to see
come out of the Trump administration.
Thomas Hedges: Schumer's willingness to oppose the deal early on, which created an opening for other undecided Democrats
to do the same, is a strong display of support for Israel.
News Anchor: Schumer's support here really would have been key for the White House, but coming out overnight against
this deal saying in a statement quote, "I will vote to disapprove the agreement, not because I believe war is a viable or desirable
option, not to challenge the path of dis-plomacy it is because, I believe Iran will not change."
Thomas Hedges: It also put him in yet the same camp as current President Donald Trump in terms of pursuing a Middle East
policy that is in line with Washington's most hawkish advocates. In the end, Schumer's a friend of the neo conservative foreign policy
agenda. While he may cry over Trump's Muslim ban and purport to have the same inclinations as America's most progressive members
of the Senate, he's fundamentally in agreement with the United States forceful efforts abroad.
Kevin Zeese:The criticism of the Democratic Party is it is the Wall Street and war party. That is Chuck Schumer, and
so for him to have this kind of pretend progressive image, it's just so obviously fraudulent.
Thomas Hedges: As the United States nears yet another arms deal with Middle East ally Saudi Arabia, this time for
a hundred billion dollars, and coupled with its four billion dollar annual aid to Israel, we can expect Schumer not only to support
an even more militarized Middle East, but to continue to rail against countries like Iran that pose a threat to US and Israel's hegemony
in the region.
Chuck Schumer has replaced Joe Lieberman as the Senator representing Israeli interests in the Senate. US interests are
usually secondary to his machinations
Schumer and Clinton must be understood in relation to Israel. Israel to both of them are sacrosant. Israel can do no wrong.
Both these two war hawks for Israel takes their orders from Netanyahu. He is like a vice president for Israel in the United States.
"I only take up causes in which I know I'll find no allies. And often I wait for a cause to become successful before
attacking it."
Schumer (sic) is a scum bucket who ought to be trounced out of the Senate, through the revolving door to his sinecure on
Wall Street. Schumer's ultimately loyalties are to his corporate benefactors on Wall Street. Which too is his constituency.
Anything in the way of progressiveness that you suggest will be only, like Obama's eloquent blackness, to run cover for favors
for the war party. Which at this late date ought also be christened the "hastening to collective extinction" party.
Schumer is a puppet for the deep state and the deep state may have some "dirt" on him in order to keep him in line...and
his famous quote about the security state: "they have 6 ways to Sunday to get back at you" or something to this effect...makes
me wonder what he knows?
Israel is the driving force behind disruption of the middle east...the more the middle east is neutralized, the better
for Israel...Chuck is one of their best foot soldiers
♪ Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerer of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds...Oh lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait `till their judgement day comes, yeah! ♪
"... Among Global Research's most popular articles in 2016. ..."
"... Hillary is Dangerous. She Means What She says? Or Does She? (M. C. GR. Editor) ..."
"... On July 3, 2015, presidential aspirant Hillary Clinton addressed a hand-picked audience at a Dartmouth College campaign event. She lied calling Iran an "existential threat to Israel I hope we are able to get a deal next week that puts a lid on (its) nuclear weapons program." ..."
Among Global Research's most popular articles in 2016.
Hillary is Dangerous. She Means What She says? Or Does She? (M. C. GR. Editor)
* * *
On July 3, 2015, presidential aspirant Hillary Clinton addressed a hand-picked audience at a Dartmouth College campaign event.
She lied calling Iran an "existential threat to Israel I hope we are able to get a deal next week that puts a lid on (its) nuclear
weapons program."
Even if we do get such a deal, we will still have major problems from Iran. They are the world's chief sponsor of terrorism.
They use proxies like Hezbollah to sow discord and create insurgencies to destabilize governments. They are taking more and
more control of a number of nations in the region and they pose an existential threat to Israel.
We have to turn our attention to working with our partners to try to reign in and prevent this continuing Iranian aggressiveness.
Fact: US and Israeli intelligence both say Iran's nuclear program has no military component. No evidence whatever suggests Tehran
wants one. Plenty indicates otherwise.
As a 2008 presidential aspirant, she addressed AIPAC's annual convention saying:
The United States stands with Israel now and forever. We have shared interests .shared ideals .common values. I have a bedrock
commitment to Israel's security.
(O)ur two nations are fighting a shared threat" against Islamic extremism. I strongly support Israel's right to self-defense
(and) believe America should aid in that defense.
I am committed to making sure that Israel maintains a military edge to meet increasing threats. I am deeply concerned about
the growing threat in Gaza (and) Hamas' campaign of terror.
No such campaign exists. The only threats Israel faces are ones it invents.
Clinton repeated tired old lies saying Hamas' charter "calls for the destruction of Israel. Iran threatens to destroy Israel."
"I support calling the Iranian Revolutionary Guard what it is: a terrorist organization. It is imperative that we get both
tough and smart about dealing with Iran before it is too late."
She backs "massive retaliation" if Iran attacks Israel, saying at the time:
" I want the Iranians to know that if I'm president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly
consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
She endorses using cluster bombs, toxic agents and nuclear weapons in US war theaters. She calls them deterrents that "keep the
peace." She was one of only six Democrat senators opposed to blocking deployment of untested missile defense systems – first-strike
weapons entirely for offense.
*
Stephen Lendmanlives in Chicago. He can be reached at [email protected].
His new book as editor and contributor is titled "Flashpoint in Ukraine: US Drive for Hegemony Risks WW III."
This is an old method to unite the nation against external enemy. Carnage (with so much oil and gas) needs to be
destroyed. And it's working only partially with the major divisions between Trump and Hillary supporters remaining
open and unaffected by Russiagate witch hunt.
Notable quotes:
"... It is an age-old statecraft technique to seek unity within a state by depicting an external enemy or threat. Russia is the bête noire again, as it was during the Cold War years as part of the Soviet Union. ..."
"... Russophobia -- "blame it all on Russia" -- is a short-term, futile ploy to stave off the day of reckoning when furious and informed Western citizens will demand democratic restitution for their legitimate grievances. ..."
"... The dominant "official" narrative, from the US to Europe, is that "malicious" Russia is "sowing division;""eroding democratic institutions;" and "undermining public trust" in systems of governance, credibility of established political parties, and the news media. ..."
"... A particularly instructive presentation of this trope was given in a recent commentary by Texan Republican Representative Will Hurd. In his piece headlined, "Russia is our adversary" , he claims: "Russia is eroding our democracy by exploiting the nation's divisions. To save it, Americans need to begin working together." ..."
"... He contends: "When the public loses trust in the media, the Russians are winning. When the press is hyper-critical of Congress the Russians are winning. When Congress and the general public disagree the Russians are winning. When there is friction between Congress and the executive branch [the president] resulting in further erosion of trust in our democratic institutions, the Russians are winning." ..."
"... The endless, criminal wars that the US and its European NATO allies have been waging across the planet over the past two decades is one cogent reason why the public has lost faith in grandiose official claims about respecting democracy and international law. ..."
"... The US and European media have shown reprehensible dereliction of duty to inform the public accurately about their governments' warmongering intrigues. Take the example of Syria. When does the average Western citizen ever read in the corporate Western media about how the US and its NATO allies have covertly ransacked that country through weaponizing terrorist proxies? ..."
"... The destabilizing impact on societies from oppressive economic conditions is a far more plausible cause for grievance than outlandish claims made by the political class about alleged "Russian interference". ..."
"... Finian Cunningham (born 1963) has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several languages. Originally from Belfast, Northern Ireland, he is a Master's graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. For over 20 years he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organizations, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent. Now a freelance journalist based in East Africa, his columns appear on RT, Sputnik, Strategic Culture Foundation and Press TV. ..."
Russophobia - "blame it all on Russia" - is a short-term, futile ploy to stave off the day of reckoning when furious
and informed Western citizens will demand democratic restitution for their legitimate grievances
It is an age-old statecraft technique to seek unity within a state by depicting an external
enemy or threat. Russia is the bête noire again, as it was during the Cold War years as
part of the Soviet Union.
But the truth is Western states are challenged by internal problems. Ironically, by denying their own internal democratic challenges, Western authorities are
only hastening their institutional demise.
Russophobia -- "blame it all on Russia" -- is a short-term, futile ploy to stave off the day
of reckoning when furious and informed Western citizens will demand democratic restitution for
their legitimate grievances.
The dominant "official" narrative, from the US to Europe, is that "malicious" Russia is
"sowing division;""eroding democratic institutions;" and "undermining public trust" in systems
of governance, credibility of established political parties, and the news media.
This narrative has shifted up a gear since the election of Donald Trump to the White House
in 2016, with accusations that the Kremlin somehow ran "influence operations" to help get him
into office. This outlandish yarn defies common sense. It is also running out of thread to keep
spinning.
Paradoxically, even though President Trump has rightly rebuffed such dubious claims of
"Russiagate" interference as "fake news", he has at other times undermined himself by
subscribing to the notion that Moscow is projecting a campaign of "subversion against the US
and its European allies." See for example the National Security Strategy he signed off in
December.
Pathetically, it's become indoctrinated belief among the Western political class that
"devious Russians" are out to "collapse" Western democracies by
"weaponizing disinformation" and spreading "fake news" through Russia-based
news outlets like RT and Sputnik.
Totalitarian-like, there seems no room for intelligent dissent among political or media
figures.
British Prime Minister Theresa May has chimed in to
accuse Moscow of "sowing division;" Dutch state intelligence claim Russia
destabilized the US presidential election; the European Union commissioner for security, Sir
Julian King, casually lampoons Russian news media as "Kremlin-orchestrated
disinformation" to destabilize the 28-nation bloc; CIA chief Mike Pompeo recently warned
that Russia is stepping up its efforts to tarnish the Congressional mid-term elections later
this year.
On and on goes the narrative that Western states are essentially victims of a nefarious
Russian assault to bring about collapse.
A particularly instructive presentation of this trope was given in a recent commentary by Texan
Republican Representative Will Hurd. In his piece headlined, "Russia is our adversary"
, he claims: "Russia is eroding our democracy by exploiting the nation's divisions. To save
it, Americans need to begin working together."
Congressman Hurd asserts: "Russia has one simple goal: to erode trust in our democratic
institutions It has weaponized disinformation to achieve this goal for decades in Eastern and
Central Europe; in 2016, Western Europe and America were aggressively targeted as
well."
Lamentably, all these claims above are made with scant, or no, verifiable evidence. It is
simply a Big Lie technique of relentless repetition transforming itself into "fact"
.
It's instructive to follow Congressman Hurd's thought-process a bit further.
He contends: "When the public loses trust in the media, the Russians are winning. When
the press is hyper-critical of Congress the Russians are winning. When Congress and the general
public disagree the Russians are winning. When there is friction between Congress and the
executive branch [the president] resulting in further erosion of trust in our democratic
institutions, the Russians are winning."
As a putative solution, Representative Hurd calls for "a national counter-disinformation
strategy" against Russian "influence operations" , adding, "Americans must
stop contributing to a corrosive political environment".
The latter is a chilling advocacy of uniformity tantamount to a police state whereby any
dissent or criticism is a "thought-crime."
It is, however, such anti-democratic and paranoid thinking by Western politicians -- aided
and abetted by dutiful media -- that is killing democracy from within, not some supposed
foreign enemy.
There is evidently a foreboding sense of demise in authority and legitimacy among Western
states, even if the real cause for the demise is ignored or denied. Systems of governance,
politicians of all stripes, and institutions like the established media and intelligence
services are increasingly held in contempt and distrust by the public.
Whose fault is that loss of political and moral authority? Western governments and
institutions need to take a look in the mirror.
The endless, criminal wars that the US and its European NATO allies have been waging across
the planet over the past two decades is one cogent reason why the public has lost faith in
grandiose official claims about respecting democracy and international law.
The US and European media have shown reprehensible dereliction of duty to inform the public
accurately about their governments' warmongering intrigues. Take the example of Syria. When
does the average Western citizen ever read in the corporate Western media about how the US and
its NATO allies have covertly ransacked that country through weaponizing terrorist proxies?
How then can properly informed citizens be expected to have respect for such criminal
government policies and the complicit news media covering up for their crimes?
Western public disaffection with governments, politicians and media surely stems also from
the grotesque gulf in social inequality and poverty among citizens from slavish adherence to
economic policies that enrich the wealthy while consigning the vast majority to unrelenting
austerity.
The destabilizing impact on societies from oppressive economic conditions is a far more
plausible cause for grievance than outlandish claims made by the political class about alleged
"Russian interference".
Yet the Western media indulge this fantastical "Russiagate" escapism instead of campaigning
on real social problems facing ordinary citizens. No wonder such media are then viewed with
disdain and distrust. Adding insult to injury, these media want the public to believe Russia is
the enemy?
Instead of acknowledging and addressing real threats to citizens: economic insecurity,
eroding education and health services, lost career opportunities for future generations, the
looming dangers of ecological adversity, wars prompted by Western governments trashing
international and diplomacy, and so on -- the Western public is insultingly plied with corny
tales of Russia's "malign influence" and "assault on democracy."
Just think of the disproportionate amount of media attention and public resources wasted on
the Russiagate scandal over the past year. And now gradually emerging is the real scandal that
the American FBI probably colluded with the Obama administration to corrupt the democratic
process against Trump.
Again, is there any wonder the public has sheer contempt and distrust for "authorities" that
have been lying through their teeth and playing them for fools?
The collapsing state of Western democracies has got nothing to do with Russia. The
Russophobia of blaming Russia for the demise of Western institutions is an attempt at
scapegoating for the very real problems facing governments and institutions like the news
media. Those problems are inherent and wholly owned by these governments owing to chronic
anti-democratic functioning, as well as systematic violation of international law in their
pursuit of criminal wars and other subterfuges for regime-change objectives.
Finian Cunningham (born 1963) has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several
languages. Originally from Belfast, Northern Ireland, he is a Master's graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a
scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. For
over 20 years he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organizations, including The Mirror, Irish Times and
Independent. Now a freelance journalist based in East Africa, his columns appear on RT, Sputnik, Strategic Culture Foundation
and Press TV.
"I swear that Russiagate is nothing more than trying to cover up the blatant corruption of
the DNC, Hillary Clinton, the FBI, CIA and The Department of Justice. Keep everybody busy with
Russiagate and don't allow the corruption (with the help of the press) to see the light of day.
Otherwise, people in high places would be going to jail.
Notable quotes:
"... As many commentators have pointed out, we are a country of completely brain washed people now. Schiff, Schumer, Sanders . . . they are all cut from the same cloth. There is not one politician left in the country who will challenge the The Ruling Power Structure's narrative. Even in Russia, there are lot of opposition leadership voices who are making noises against the System they disagree with. ..."
"... They can't make "hacking" stick 'cause it's false. They can't make "Trump is a Putin puppet" stick 'cause it's false. So now the whole damn dumb show–regurgitated by either shameless war profiteers or straight-faced useful idiots–comes down to so-called Russian social media trolls exercising the same "speech" that we are supposedly so proud to call "free" in this country. ..."
"... The Thought Police use surveillance and psychological monitoring to find and eliminate members of society who challenge the party's authority and ideology. ..."
"... Anyone who has questioned the intelligence agencies narrative that Russians and Trump colluded to win the election are viewed with suspicion as potential enemies of the state. ..."
"... What is the end goal? The end goal is to prop up a long in the tooth multi-decade cold war with Russia to justify massive military spending. Do you want to know the answer to your question of whether or not the US defense industry and our intelligence agencies are trying to spark a war with Russia? ..."
"... The answer is yes they are. As crazy as that sounds, the hungry defense industry with its insatiable appetite for more weapons has decided to go for the ultimate win the lottery strategy and foment war with Russia. It had been happening under Obama and now it is happening under Trump. They are trying to box him into a corner where he will feel enough pressure to go against Russia. Perhaps they can goad him into attacking Russia which is what I believe they want to do. Our national media plays along and is in bed with the intelligence agencies as much as ever just like they spouted the lies of Chalabi in Iraq War II falsely believing his claims that Saddam Hussein had nuclear and chemical and biological weapons. ..."
"... "Yet still they want more as Caitlin Johnstone pointed out. What they want now to do is to do the same thing they have been doing under Obama and enlist Trump on the grandest military adventure of all. War with Russia." ..."
"... The Russiagate affair has been going on for almost a year and I would think Mueller is under a lot of pressure to find something to stick. This indictment may be it. ..."
"... Once again, Russia's reputation will be taken down a few notches and made to suffer another humiliation. And the US will move on to the next allegation, "UK and US blame Russia for the malicious NotPetya cyberattack" (headline on BBC). ..."
Essentially, all Mueller did yesterday was to indict a bunch of private Russian citizens
for expressing their opinions about the candidates in the last presidential election via
public media (mainly Facedbook and Twitter), and the individual Russians contacted by the
press about it did not deny doing so. Mueller made no links to the Russian government, Putin,
the FSB or even their alleged puppet Donald Trump. Just private individuals being persecuted
for expressing an opinion on American politics in public because they are foreigners. Doesn't
matter whether the opinions were true, false, complementary or disparaging because they were
subjective just like anyone else's opinions (you know, opinions are like a-holes, everybody's
got one).
So, if that move by Mueller is allowed to stand and serve as a precedent in American
jurisprudence, doesn't that mean that journalists from foreign lands, like Caitlin herself,
are at risk of being indicated at any moment by the US Justice Department if they express
opinions that the insiders in the Deep State do not like? And, what about all the foreign
nationals who post here in this forum on this blog? I daresay most offer opinions not
complementary of the US government and its political menagerie. And, to be honest, many do so
in order to either change minds or solidify shared beliefs with others, including great
swirling drifts of snowflake Americans.
This free exchange of thoughts is now to be verboten because someone other than Uncle Sam
may have an influence or even change the mind of a precious American citizen? This is
madness. That the most educated and articulate amongst us do not see this, but rather
participate in the feeding frenzy upon the carcass of what is left of our liberal democracy
is absolutely stupifying. As I have been saying for some time now, someone or some force must
be imposing a form of mass hypnosis upon the population and only a few of us (including most
here) seem to be immune to its effects. Maybe something we consume acts as an antidote.
Perhaps your Italian grandma's muffalettas or calzones, Joe? Or my mother's German
rouladen?
Dave P. , February 17, 2018 at 5:01 pm
Realist –
"As I have been saying for some time now, someone or some force must be imposing a form of
mass hypnosis upon the population and only a few of us (including most here) seem to be
immune to its effects."
You are dead right on that. My wife was yelling and screaming last night that why I was
not watching this "Russia trolls" show with her on CNN, MSNBC, and PBS; to learn how the
Russians have destroyed our beautiful democracy. She had seen the World too, mostly for fun
and experiences; she taught English in Malaysia – British colony until 1957 – as
a peace Corps volunteer during 1960's. There you have it. As many commentators have pointed
out, we are a country of completely brain washed people now. Schiff, Schumer, Sanders . . .
they are all cut from the same cloth. There is not one politician left in the country who
will challenge the The Ruling Power Structure's narrative. Even in Russia, there are lot of
opposition leadership voices who are making noises against the System they disagree with.
Gregory Herr , February 17, 2018 at 6:21 pm
They can't make "hacking" stick 'cause it's false. They can't make "Trump is a Putin
puppet" stick 'cause it's false. So now the whole damn dumb show–regurgitated by either
shameless war profiteers or straight-faced useful idiots–comes down to so-called
Russian social media trolls exercising the same "speech" that we are supposedly so proud to
call "free" in this country. They not only take us for moronic fools, but they can't even see
that that they are insulting us further by insinuating that our voting decisions are
completely unsophisticated and easily swayed to the point that 13 Russians could have an
impact amidst a sea of election season campaign "propaganda" from both major parties and an
array of special interest influence peddling. Like the Clinton campaign didn't hire Facebook
trolls!
Bye Bye First Amendment no one in the halls of power takes it seriously enough to defend it
unless you're spouting groupthink right Bernie?
Zachary Smith , February 17, 2018 at 8:00 pm
Essentially, all Mueller did yesterday was to indict a bunch of private Russian citizens
for expressing their opinions about the candidates in the last presidential election via
public media (mainly Facedbook and Twitter), and the individual Russians contacted by the
press about it did not deny doing so.
I'll echo Drew Hunkins in calling this a brilliant condensation of the issue. What worries
me is what the morons-in-charge might have in mind as a follow-up to this lunacy.
CitizenOne , February 18, 2018 at 2:31 am
Perhaps we are entering into the Orwellian dawn of Thought Crimes which are any feelings
or thinking a Citizen has which are counter to the State Propaganda put out by the Ministry
of Truth. The Thought Police (thinkpol in Newspeak) are the secret police of the novel
Nineteen Eighty-Four. It is their job to uncover and punish thoughtcrime. The Thought Police
use surveillance and psychological monitoring to find and eliminate members of society who
challenge the party's authority and ideology.
Anyone who has questioned the intelligence agencies narrative that Russians and Trump
colluded to win the election are viewed with suspicion as potential enemies of the state.
It would appear to be allegations of thought crime because 15 foreign nationals posted
things on social media. We have been under the perception that social media is a free forum
for discourse but now, like China, we are seeing the formation of a witch hunt for foreign
devils who have infiltrated the social mediascape and are on trial for the results of a
national election.
We are literally burning some innocent teenager for the calamity we are convinced was not
of our own making. We need to find a witch to brew some witchcraft to explain how our current
situation has arisen.
Not sure if anyone alive today believes the Salem Witch Trials served justice and created
a restoration of civil harmony. I'm fairly sure that everyone looks at those dark days as a
travesty of justice.
Yes we are living in a time of universal deceit and the act of telling the truth has
become a revolutionary act just as Orwell portrayed in his novel.
Thought crimes are fairly scary and they imply that our government is willing to indict
the thoughts of whoever it deems to be an enemy of the state and bring the thinkers of
thought crime as defined by the state as anyone who questions the official fake narrative of
Russia Gate to "justice".
What is the end goal? The end goal is to prop up a long in the tooth multi-decade cold war
with Russia to justify massive military spending. Do you want to know the answer to your
question of whether or not the US defense industry and our intelligence agencies are trying
to spark a war with Russia?
The answer is yes they are. As crazy as that sounds, the hungry defense industry with its
insatiable appetite for more weapons has decided to go for the ultimate win the lottery
strategy and foment war with Russia. It had been happening under Obama and now it is
happening under Trump. They are trying to box him into a corner where he will feel enough
pressure to go against Russia. Perhaps they can goad him into attacking Russia which is what
I believe they want to do. Our national media plays along and is in bed with the intelligence
agencies as much as ever just like they spouted the lies of Chalabi in Iraq War II falsely
believing his claims that Saddam Hussein had nuclear and chemical and biological weapons.
Even the analysis on North Korea which opines that NK will use all weapons first as a
first strike in a scenario the USA has called the "Use it or Lose it" fell short and was
proved a false scenario or that there were really no actual WMDs in Iraq as the UN
claimed.
Either way, the likely outcomes of a WMD armed Iraqi leader facing imminent demise which
would cause him to use all available weapons at his disposal did not happen. There are only
two conclusions to the outcome. Saddam did not have these weapons or the likely scenario of
"Use it or Lose it" is all wrong.
Either way the premise of the war was shown to be false.
Unfortunately in the aftermath of that war there was no US counterpart to the British
Chilcot Report and the US went on to engage in regime change in other nations like Ukraine,
Syria, Libya and elsewhere.
There is no sense to it other than to destabilize nations, foment violence and create
international tensions which have the effect of causing our elected leaders to pony up more
money for defense to combat the new enemies we just created.
Yet still they want more as Caitlin Johnstone pointed out. What they want now to do is to
do the same thing they have been doing under Obama and enlist Trump on the grandest military
adventure of all. War with Russia.
I agree with her assessment that this is crazy. This is the most irresponsible thing yet
but it has been enabled by a fake news press just as it was enabled by the fake news media
all the times before.
I agree with you Joe that a form of mass hypnosis has gripped our democrat officials and a
large segment of our population. We have been handed a leader they don't like and they are
ready and able to make hay with the election outcome to persuade us by force to support more
military adventures.
Dave P. , February 18, 2018 at 3:53 am
Citizen One –
"Yet still they want more as Caitlin Johnstone pointed out. What they want now to do is to
do the same thing they have been doing under Obama and enlist Trump on the grandest military
adventure of all. War with Russia."
I agree with her assessment that this is crazy. This is the most irresponsible thing yet
but it has been enabled by a fake news press just as it was enabled by the fake news media
all the times before."
Yes. This scenario is getting more and more likely. All steps point to that direction.
Skeptigal , February 17, 2018 at 11:10 pm
Unfortunately I'm not as confident. Here is the complete indictment at http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43091945
. There are three counts (with almost 70 allegations): 1. Conspiracy to Defraud the United
States 2. Conspiracy to Commit Wire Fraud And Bank Fraud and 3. Aggravated Identity Theft. It
ends with a forfeiture allegation seeking property, real or personal from the defendants.
The Russiagate affair has been going on for almost a year and I would think Mueller is
under a lot of pressure to find something to stick. This indictment may be it. Mueller will
be the hero; Trump may be saved as the interference started in 2014, before his campaign
began; the Hillary emails and Nunes memo will be cast aside; and the USA can say to the world
"see I told you so."
Once again, Russia's reputation will be taken down a few notches and made to suffer
another humiliation. And the US will move on to the next allegation, "UK and US blame Russia
for the malicious NotPetya cyberattack" (headline on BBC).
Martin - Swedish citizen , February 18, 2018 at 1:15 am
If the allegations are true, they need to be put in perspective:
– what might be the rational behind? Eg tit-for-tat for Western meddling, arms
race,
– do other nations engage in similar projects? What are the scale of those?
Starting in 2014 could it have been triggered by the Kiev coup and Nuland's was it five
billion?
MIC controls Trump, not the other way around. That's why Trump deflated just three months
after inauguration. He can tell all he wants, but his actions speak louder then his words. His
actions are typical neocon actions.
Notable quotes:
"... However inadvertently, Trump has thereby bestowed on the American people a singular gift, putting a presidential imprimatur on a point that critics have been making for years, to no avail. Pointing out that our post-9/11 wars have resulted in a multitrillion-dollar waste of lives and treasure represents easily the greatest achievement of his young administration. ..."
"... Now let's look at the rest of the story. I will claim that most US military adventures, since Korea has been a failure often with unintended consequences, squandering taxpayer dollars while the national infrastructure and national psyche crumble. Involving ourselves in Vietnam after the French abandoned it was a horrific mistake with the loss of many lives and the expenditure of immeasurable political and economic capital. Somebody tell me again what Bay of Pigs and Grenada accomplished? There have been numerous other short term in-and-out deployments of troops and materiel since Korea. See Wikipedia's "Timeline of United States military operations." ..."
"... Let's face it. The military-industrial complex continues to lead the country into deeply unfortunate places and situations. Let's tie all this back to the recent school massacre in Parkland FL, one of many in recent years. Military surplus has been given away by the federal government to build up highly militarized SWAT teams in cities, armed with tanks, missile launchers and automatic weapons. Citizens easily and quickly arm themselves with semi-automatic weapons, seizing on loopholes that regulate the buying of hand guns but not AK-15s, all because the NRA owns too many members of Congress. ..."
"... Let's go beyond Trump's simplistic pronouncement. The United States has been and is a bellicose and violent nation. Unfortunately, President Trump's words have been equally bellicose, especially toward North Korea. I have little faith that our country will dial back its aggressiveness under the Trump regime. ..."
In a typically offhand remark, President Trump the other day rendered his personal
assessment of our various post-9/11 wars, interventions, and punitive expeditions. "
Seven trillion dollars. What a mistake ," he said. "But it is what it is."
The seven trillion is merely a guesstimate, of course. No one, least of all the lords of the
Pentagon, really knows how much our sundry military campaigns, large and small, have cost. Yet
at this point, total expenditures certainly reach well into the trillions. And whatever the
current tally, that sum will inevitably increase as our wars drag on and as downstream
obligations – care for veterans, for example – pile up for decades to come.
That Trump himself should characterize those wars as mistaken represents a moment of plain
speaking rare in today's Washington. After all, as the current commander in chief, he owns that
mistake and its myriad consequences. We may doubt that the generals occupying senior positions
in his administration share their boss's assessment. Nor, in all likelihood, does the national
security establishment as a whole. Yet it qualifies as more than mildly interesting that the
individual exercising supreme authority views the entire enterprise as misbegotten.
Imagine the head of Planned Parenthood declaring herself a pro-lifer. Imagine Amazon CEO
Jeff Bezos criticizing the American penchant for conspicuous consumption. Imagine Tom Brady
announcing that his son will never play a brutal and dangerous sport like football. A sitting
American president characterizing ongoing American wars as mistaken is hardly less notable and
ought to command widespread public attention.
Imagine the head of Planned Parenthood
declaring herself a pro-lifer. Imagine Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos criticizing the American penchant
for conspicuous consumption. Imagine Tom Brady announcing that his son will never play a brutal
and dangerous sport like football. A sitting American president characterizing ongoing American
wars as mistaken is hardly less notable and ought to command widespread public attention. Of
course, Trump is an improbable source of truth. His many critics have become accustomed to
dismissing his every word as either false or hateful or simply bizarre. Yet in this instance, I
submit, he has uttered a genuine truth of profound importance.
Unfortunately, Trump's bottom line obscures the implications of that truth: "It is what it
is." There are at least two ways of interpreting that remark. The first is fatalistic: We're
stuck in a heckuva mess and there's no way of getting unstuck. The second is pragmatic: Here
are facts that we dare not ignore.
... ... ...
In Hans Christian Andersen's familiar tale "The Emperor's New Clothes," a young child states
the obvious: The monarch is naked. Now we have the emperor himself making a comparably
self-evident point: Our wars aren't working.
However inadvertently, Trump has thereby bestowed on the American people a singular gift,
putting a presidential imprimatur on a point that critics have been making for years, to no
avail. Pointing out that our post-9/11 wars have resulted in a multitrillion-dollar waste of
lives and treasure represents easily the greatest achievement of his young administration.
We tend to think that the story of that administration thus far has been one of ineptitude
combined with persistent scandal. Yet the real scandal will occur if the American people and
their elected representatives in Washington fail to treat Trump's verdict regarding our recent
wars with the respect and seriousness it deserves.
Thank you, Mr. President, for your candor. If for nothing else, on this score, we owe you
one.
Andrew J. Bacevich is the author, most recently, of "America's War for the Greater
Middle East: A Military History."
Reubenhop 02/16/18 09:49 AM The
trouble is Trump criticizes these wars only because they are not his wars. He needs to be the
outsider who will do better than those that preceded him. But what does he do? He builds up
the military for future wars (even nuclear wars) and engages in dangerous saber rattling and
shows of strength. He learned nothing from his criticisms.
bernieman
02/16/18 09:57 AM said this before: arm both sides with our most destructive weapons, nukes
included, withdraw from the midevil east and let them kill each other. problem solved in
probably less than a year.
MassGuy2 02/16/18 09:57 AM Another
big mistake we're continuing to make is paying for these wars without raising taxes. In
fact, Trump is lowering taxes. Its like a homeowner taking out an expensive loan to buy
something he can't afford, and then cutting back on his work hours. As long as these wars
are being funded by future debt, most Americans will not seriously question the need to
spend money on foolish wars. If Trump is really serious, he should propose taxes be
immediately raised to pay for these wars, bring back the draft, and scrap the volunteer
army. Then see how fast the American people demand good answers as to why we're fighting
these wars.
CambridgeMAry 02/16/18 12:07 PM
I agree. Getting rid of the draft was a mistake, and it does not redound to the credit of
those who opposed the Vietnam War that most of their opposition to it evaporated when the
draft was abolished.
The draft during WWII applied to all men, including the sons of Members of Congress.
Hitler was devastating Europe, and attempting to bomb and strafe the UK into submission,
but the US did not really become involved until we were actually attacked at Pearl
Harbor.
Now, it is too easy for us to dismiss the dangers we send our service persons into
because "They volunteered."
no-name- 02/16/18 04:20
PM "Getting rid of the draft was a mistake, and it does not redound to the credit of
those who opposed the Vietnam War that most of their opposition to it evaporated when
the draft was abolished."
you're misinformed. there was strong and ever-growing opposition to the war until it
ended.
Eurydice9276 02/16/18 01:29 PM
Not at all defending Trump - but stating the obvious doesn't have to be an original
thought.
NinjaLibn 02/16/18 10:15 AM
I've long admired Andrew's insights and incisive writing. It would have been interesting to
hear his recommendations for disentangling ourselves from these wars.
Ben-Myers-not-gutless-anonymous
02/16/18 10:51 AM Trump was almost right, and he did not go far enough. Bush 41's quick
in-and-out adventure in Kuwait makes some sense. Bush 41 and his advisors smartly realized
that a surgical removal of Saddam Hussein's troops from Kuwait would have few long term
implications.
Now let's look at the rest of the story. I will claim that most US military adventures,
since Korea has been a failure often with unintended consequences, squandering taxpayer
dollars while the national infrastructure and national psyche crumble. Involving ourselves
in Vietnam after the French abandoned it was a horrific mistake with the loss of many lives
and the expenditure of immeasurable political and economic capital. Somebody tell me again
what Bay of Pigs and Grenada accomplished? There have been numerous other short term
in-and-out deployments of troops and materiel since Korea. See Wikipedia's "Timeline of
United States military operations."
Let's face it. The military-industrial complex continues to lead the country into deeply
unfortunate places and situations. Let's tie all this back to the recent school massacre in
Parkland FL, one of many in recent years. Military surplus has been given away by the
federal government to build up highly militarized SWAT teams in cities, armed with tanks,
missile launchers and automatic weapons. Citizens easily and quickly arm themselves with
semi-automatic weapons, seizing on loopholes that regulate the buying of hand guns but not
AK-15s, all because the NRA owns too many members of Congress.
Let's go beyond Trump's simplistic pronouncement. The United States has been and is a
bellicose and violent nation. Unfortunately, President Trump's words have been equally
bellicose, especially toward North Korea. I have little faith that our country will dial
back its aggressiveness under the Trump regime.
MNMoore 02/16/18 12:00 PM Right.
Our economy is addicted to war. The goal is not to win the war. It is to sustain it.
"... Lockheed Martin, after all, gets nearly as much money from the US government as the State Department. CEO Marilyn Hewson is, by the reckoning of some analysts, as powerful as most US cabinet secretaries. ..."
Lockheed Martin, after all, gets nearly as much money from the US government as the
State Department. CEO Marilyn Hewson is, by the reckoning of some analysts, as powerful as most
US cabinet secretaries.
Teal Group's Richard Aboulafia has the gold medal quote on this – "
diplomacy is out; airstrikes are in. " From the F-35 on, Lockheed is a key facilitator of
airstrikes, and soaring demands for its products are leading to soaring revenue and rising
profit margins.
Reports on the company brag about "juicy" shipbuilding deals, and the money pouring in from
nuclear weapons upgrades. Lockheed Martin's status as a main seller of US arms and the US
obsession with growing its military seem to ensure that the company will remain rich, and
wildly influential, for years to come.
If anything, recent weeks have offered remarkable evidence of just how
victorious this country's losingest commanders and their colleagues really are in our
nation's capital. In the bipartisan style that these days usually applies only to the U.S.
military, Congress has just settled on giving an extra $165 billion
to the Pentagon over the next two years as part of a formula for keeping the government open.
As it happens, the 2017 Pentagon budget was already as large as the defense spending of the next
seven
nations combined. And that was before all those extra tens of billions of dollars ensured
that the two-year military budget (for 2018 and 2019) would crest at a total of more than
$1.4 trillion .
That's the sort of money that only goes to winners, not losers. And if this still seems a
little strange to you, given that military's
dismal record in actual war-fighting since 9/11, all I can say is: don't bring it up. It's
no longer considered polite or proper to complain about our wars and those who fight them or
how we fund them, not in an age when every American soldier is a " hero ," which
means that what they're doing from
Afghanistan to
Yemen , Syria to
Somalia , must be heroic indeed.
In a draft-less
country, those of us not in or connected to our military are expected to say "
thank you " to the warriors and otherwise go about our lives as if their wars (and the
mayhem
they continue to generate abroad) were not a fact of global life. This is the definition of a
demobilized
public. If you happen to be that rarest of all creatures in our country these days -- someone
in active opposition to those wars -- you have a problem. That means Stephanie Savell, who
co-runs the Costs of War
Project , which regularly provides well-researched and devastating information on the
spread of those wars and the money continually being
squandered on them, does indeed have a problem. It's one she understands all too well and
describes vividly today.
Note: this article is part of a symposium included in the
March/April 2018 issue of the National Interest .
OF COURSE
there's a Deep State. Why wouldn't there be? Even a cursory understanding of human nature tells
us that power corrupts, as Lord Acton put it; that, when power is concentrated and entrenched,
it will be abused; that, when it is concentrated and entrenched in secrecy, it will be abused
in secret. That's the Deep State.
James Burnham saw it coming. The American philosopher and political theorist
(1905–87), first a Trotskyist, then a leading conservative intellectual, wrote in 1941
that the great political development of the age was not the battle between communism and
capitalism. Rather, it was the rise of a new "managerial" class gaining dominance in business,
finance, organized labor and government. This gathering managerial revolution, as he called it,
would be resisted, but it would be impervious to adversarial counteractions. As the managerial
elites gained more and more power, exercised often in subtle and stealthy ways, they would
exercise that power to embed themselves further into the folds of American society and to
protect themselves from those who might want to bust them up.
Nowhere is this managerial elite more entrenched, more powerful and more shrouded in secrecy
than in what Dwight Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex, augmented by
intelligence and law-enforcement agencies. That's where America's relentless drive for global
hegemony meshes with defense manufacturers only too willing to provide the tools of
dominance.
Now we have not only a standing army, with hundreds of thousands of troops at the ready, as
in Cold War days. We have also permanent wars, nine of them in progress at the moment and not
one with what could even remotely be called proper congressional approval. That's how power
gets entrenched, how the managerial revolution gains ever greater force and how the Deep State
endures.
Few in the general public know what really happened with regard to the allegations of Trump
campaign "collusion" with Russia, or how the investigation into those troubling allegations
emerged. But we know enough to know we have seen the Deep State in action.
We know that U.S. agencies released an "Intelligence Community Assessment" saying that
Russia and President Putin were behind the release of embarrassing Democratic emails in a plot
to help Trump win the presidency. But we also know that it wasn't really a National
Intelligence Assessment (a term of art denoting a particular process of expansive intelligence
analysis) but rather the work of a controlled task force. As Scott Ritter, the former Marine
intelligence officer and arms-control official,
put it , "This deliberate misrepresentation of the organizational bona fides of the Russia
NIA casts a shadow over the viability of the analysis used to underpin the assessments and
judgments contained within." Besides, the document was long on assertion and short on evidence.
Even the New York Times initially
derided the report as lacking any "hard evidence" and amounting "essentially . . . to
'trust us.'"
Damon Linker chides
Americans for the lies we tell ourselves about our unending wars:
The honest and alarming truth that we seem all-too-eager to evade is that America is
already at war around the world. Someone desperately needs to pay attention, demand
accountability, and keep tabs on the steep monetary, human, and geopolitical costs.
Linker is right that Americans should pay attention to and demand accountability for the
endless wars waged in their name, but he also acknowledges that most have no interest in doing
so. Another alarming truth is that many Americans seem content to allow perpetual war to
continue so long as the steep costs are borne mostly by people in other countries. Those costs
tend to be ignored or mentioned only in passing when assessing the damage done, and even when
they are acknowledged they are not given much weight in our policy debates. The hundreds of
thousands that died because of the 2003 invasion of Iraq have practically been reduced to a
footnote in subsequent debates over military intervention.
One reason for this indifference is that many of our leaders tell us other comforting lies
about these wars: that they are necessary and waged in self-defense. The reality is that
virtually none of the military interventions that the U.S. has carried out in the last thirty
years was unavoidable or required for the defense of the United States and its allies. Our wars
are usually wars of choice fought for reasons unrelated to defending ourselves or the nations
we are obliged by treaty to protect, and they are typically fought in places where the U.S. has
no vital interests at stake.
The U.S. is at war around the world because our government chooses to be at war around the
world. For the most part, this was not forced on us, but rather it is something that our
leaders and pundits have willingly embraced again and again. Perhaps the biggest lie of all is
that the U.S. goes to war reluctantly and grudgingly. In fact, no other government resorts to
the use of force in international affairs so often and so casually as ours has in the last
twenty-five years. On the rare occasions when the public recoils from this, as they did in the
2006 midterms and again in 2013 at the prospect of attacking Syria, our leaders and pundits
shake their heads and warn against the dangers of "retreat" from the world. Of course, the myth
of retreat is another lie used to justify the next unnecessary war, and if that doesn't work
then they tell us the lie that the rest of the world supposedly craves and demands U.S.
"leadership" in its most destructive form.
Saddam Hussein was a tyrant, but served as a bulwark against Iran and kept down Sunni
fanatics as well. He was no threat to the US. Why did we go to war with Iraq and topple him?
How have things gone in Iraq since the US invasion?
The whole concepts of premptive war and regime change is insanity. I want the United
States to be a republic not an empire.
Adam Johnson has been good at pointing out all the times the US is being described as
"accidentally" or "reluctantly" being pulled into a war somewhere.
We need to bring back the draft. Not until is it THEIR CHILDREN in the line of fire will the
people of the US revolt. The draft was the reason why the war in Vietnam was so unpopular.
After it was done with, war became a spectator sport, to be viewed from the comfort of ones
couch.
The All-Volunteer arm (A.K.A. mercenaires) made perpetual war possible.
How many people voted for Trump because he was the only one of the bunch on either side
saying anything other than "SYRIA/IRAN/ISRAEL/ RUSSIA/WIN"..??
Yes; we find(probably should have known) that he is a filthy low-life . but in
desperation
I think a lot of us gave him a chance
What is missing from this otherwise healthy and needed essay is a description of lies. Being
cagey and silent is not the same as telling lies.
After all, the fact that we are engaged in persistent conflicts, these past few decades,
is not being denied. I haven't heard the U.S. government say: 'We are at peace with all the
world.' Saying so would indeed be a lie. But, to the contrary, the US government boldly
announces that it is fighting -- in Syria, for example. Though ISIS is defeated, the Defense
Dept. recently stated that U.S. army personnel are staying in Syria, with the goal of regime
change, despite having no legal basis whatsoever to do so.
So here we have one example of a lie -- our government's earlier excuse for being in Syria
('to defeat ISIS'). What other lies of this sort has our government been telling us? THAT
would be an article that warrants this essay's title.
The honest and alarming truth that we seem all-too-eager to evade is that America is
violating its own Constitution, the UN Charter, and the ratified international order around
the world. We all need to pay attention, demand the impeachment of Presidents, Senators and
Representatives, and vote any incumbent that aided, abetted or authorized illegal acts of
aggression out of office regardless of the cost.
Thank you for making a principled statement to refute a deeply misleading observation by
Linker. If Linker's is the best published opinion can do, then we are still content to be
cognitively captured by War Profiteers "R" US.
Given the exercise of collective punishment that the US engages in in Yemen and has
engaged in elsewhere, this is on *us*, whether we accept it or not.
"Americans seem content to allow perpetual war to continue so long as the steep costs are
borne mostly by people in other countries "
.. and states, and counties.
It is to the eternal shame of the Democratic Party that Trump apparently won additional
votes in the districts across the nation where the military casualties and related "cost" of
our wars for chosen profits are born the most.
The "National Securities" con is the textbook example of bipartisan comity and national
unity that anybody could conceive. Why anybody would be asking for more "consensus" is beyond
me.
"Bacevich suggested a number of explanations for why the overwhelming majority of
Americans, from elected officials on down to ordinary voters, display such indifference about
our frenzied military actions abroad. They include: because casualty rates on our side are
low; because, despite President Trump's rhetoric, no one really keeps track of and demands
public accountability for just how much money is being spent, and wasted, around the world;
because the wars are fought by an all-volunteer force in which a tiny percentage of the
population serves, allowing most Americans to go about their lives without ever being touched
by the human consequences; and because the threat of terrorism is hyped, and most people just
want to feel safe. Voters want to be protected, and politicians want to avoid the blame
either for a successful attack on the homeland or a humiliating defeat abroad. The result is
that no war ever comes to a decisive end, the total number of wars increases over time, and
we never speak of any of them."
Neither he nor Bacevich mention what I consider the most relevant aspects – many
Americans benefit from these wars, and most are not taxed by the cost of debt-financed war
and "defense" spending.
"Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of the its population
. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in
the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain
this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we
will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day dreaming; and our attention will have
to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive
ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction. This process
cannot be a liberal or peaceful one."
We are willingly sacrificing both living humans being and our unborn children for our own
personal, immediate profit. How fitting for a nation born in tax evasion and collapsing by
defunding itself in public-private partnerships for profit extraction.
Think of all the jobs that are made necessary by endless wars. Somebody has to make the
bullets, the tanks, they planes, helicopters, uniforms, etc. Americans don't care how many
thousands of little brown people die, as long as Uncle Joe has a job at Boeing.
To clarify an earlier post (in case my first sentence is misinterpreted) -- of course the US
government regularly lies, especially about its 'foreign policy', endless wars, etc. My point
was simply that this article needed to focus on the nature of those lies and bogus
justifications. It's an almost inexhaustible subject, enough to keep an army of journalists
busy for many years.
The problem, of course, is not the need for such analysis: what could be more obvious? The
problem is that digging too deep in that way is taboo. And taboos are enforced here. Ask
Chuck Schumer.
Judah Grunstein
dubs Trump "the generals' president" because of his total capitulation to whatever the
current and former generals around him want:
Trump's generals have instead gone back to the future, restoring the model of a U.S.
military that faces no fiscal or strategic constraints, while preparing for a conflict -- a
conventional war with either or both of its nuclear-armed big power competitors -- that is
not just unlikely, but unwinnable.
While it is true that Trump voiced some objections to foreign wars long after they were over
or when it was no longer very risky to do so, it is important to remember that he was always in
favor of throwing more money at the military from the beginning of his campaign. He seized on
the nonsense talking point that the military had been "depleted" under Obama, and he has
continued to use it until now, and he made undoing the imaginary "depletion" one of the main
planks of his platform. Since Trump is a militarist, and since he now comes from the more
hawkish of the two parties, it was more or less a given that he would waste huge sums on higher
military spending while agreeing to the policies favored by Mattis, McMaster, et al. Add to
this his fetish for "strength" and "greatness," and you have a recipe for massive wasteful
spending on weapons and programs that the U.S. doesn't need. When there are already Pentagon
agencies losing
track of how they spend hundreds of millions of dollars , throwing more money at a huge
department with inadequate oversight is pure folly.
The increase in military spending that Trump has endorsed reflects his impulse to give the
military whatever they want. In addition to being completely unnecessary, higher military
spending will
indulge the Pentagon in all its worst habits:
The Pentagon budget request for 2019 puts the military on a course of spending unmatched
since the Reagan-era buildup, boosting the number of troops, warplanes and bombs, according
to documents and analysts.
But, defense analysts say, the $716 billion spending plan risks flooding too much money
into a Defense Department that may not spend it wisely.
"The risk is that when the budget is flowing freely, policy makers are usually reluctant
to make hard choices," said Todd Harrison, director of defense budget analysis at the Center
for Strategic and International Studies, a non-partisan think tank.
"While this is not a record increase, it comes on top of a budget that was already higher
than the peak of the Reagan buildup when adjusted for inflation [bold mine-DL]," Harrison
said.
The fantasy claim that the military budget suffered significant reductions in the last
decade has been one of the standard hawkish criticisms of the previous administration, and
Trump takes that falsehood as gospel. The truth is that an already bloated military budget has
continued to grow, and Trump proposes to make it grow even faster. Everyone in Washington was
so desperate to have the generals rein in Trump that most of them never thought through what it
meant for Trump to be the military's unthinking yes-man.
"... anti-Trump movements combined with critics of the liberal/democrat apparatus to build broader movements and especially oppose growing war-fever. ..."
"... Abroad, bi-partisan wars have failed to defeat independent state and mass popular resistance struggles for national sovereignty everywhere – from North Korea, Iran, Yemen, Syria, and Venezuela and beyond. ..."
"... Even the fight within the two-headed reactionary party of the US oligarchy has had a positive effect. Each side is hell-bent on exposing the state-sponsored crimes of the other. In an unprecedented and historic sense, the US and world public is witness to the spies, lies and crimes of the leadership and elite on prime time and on the wide screen. We head in two directions. In one direction, there are the threats of nuclear war, economic collapse, environmental disasters and a full blown police state. In the other direction, there is the demise of empire, a revived and renewed civil society rooted in a participatory economy and a renewed moral order. ..."
President Trump has pursued an agenda mirroring the police state operations of the FBI
– only on a global scale. Trump's violation of international law includes collaboration
and support for Saudi Arabia's tyrannical invasion and destruction of the sovereign nation of
Yemen; intensified aid and support for Israel's ethnic war against the Palestinian people;
severe sanctions and threatened nuclear first-strike against North Korea (DPRK); increased
deployment of US special forces in collaboration with the jihadi terrorist war to overthrow the
legitimate government of Syria; coup-mongering, sabotage, sanctions and economic blockade of
Venezuela; NATO missile and nuclear encirclement of Russia; and the growing naval threats
against China.
... .. ...
In the face of the national-political debacle local and regional movements became the
vehicle to support the struggles. Women organized at some workplaces and gained better
protection of their rights; African-Americans vividly documented and published video evidence
of the systematic brutal violation of their rights by the police state and effectively acted to
restrain local police violence in a few localities; immigrant workers and especially their
children gained broad public sympathy and allies within religious and political organizations;
and anti-Trump movements combined with critics of the liberal/democrat apparatus to build
broader movements and especially oppose growing war-fever.
Abroad, bi-partisan wars have failed to defeat independent state and mass popular resistance
struggles for national sovereignty everywhere – from North Korea, Iran, Yemen, Syria, and
Venezuela and beyond.
Even the fight within the two-headed reactionary party of the US oligarchy has had a
positive effect. Each side is hell-bent on exposing the state-sponsored crimes of the other. In
an unprecedented and historic sense, the US and world public is witness to the spies, lies and
crimes of the leadership and elite on prime time and on the wide screen. We head in two
directions. In one direction, there are the threats of nuclear war, economic collapse,
environmental disasters and a full blown police state. In the other direction, there is the
demise of empire, a revived and renewed civil society rooted in a participatory economy and a
renewed moral order.
"... The liberals and Democrats and their allies in the FBI, political police and other elements of the security state apparatus
were deeply involved in an attempt to implicate Russian government officials in a plot to manipulate US public opinion on Trump's behalf
and corrupt the outcome of the election. However, the FBI, the Justice Department and Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller have produced
no evidence of collusion linking the Russian government to a campaign to undermine Hillary Clinton's candidacy in favor of Trump. This
is despite thousands of interviews and threats of long prison sentences against former Trump campaign advisers. Instead, they focus
their attack on Trump's early campaign promise to find common ground in improving economic and diplomatic ties between the US and Russia,
especially in confronting jihadi terrorists. ..."
"... The liberal-progressive FBI cohort turned into rabid Russia-bashers demanding that Trump take a highly aggressive stance against
Moscow, while systematically eliminating his military and security advisors who expressed anti-confrontation sentiments. In the spirit
of a Joe McCarthy, the liberal-left launched hysterical attacks on any and every Trump campaign adviser who had spoken to, dined with
or exchanged eyebrows with any and all Russians! ..."
"... The conversion of liberalism to the pursuit of political purges is unprecedented. Their collective amnesia about the long-term,
large-scale involvement by the FBI in the worst criminal violations of democratic values is reprehensible. The FBI's anti-communist
crusade led to the purge of thousands of trade unionists from the mid-1940's onward, decimating the AFL-CIO. They blacklisted actors,
screen writers, artists, teachers, university academics, researchers, scientists, journalists and civil rights leaders as part of their
sweeping purge of civil society. ..."
"... President Trump has pursued an agenda mirroring the police state operations of the FBI – only on a global scale. Trump's violation
of international law includes collaboration and support for Saudi Arabia's tyrannical invasion and destruction of the sovereign nation
of Yemen; intensified aid and support for Israel's ethnic war against the Palestinian people; severe sanctions and threatened nuclear
first-strike against North Korea (DPRK); increased deployment of US special forces in collaboration with the jihadi terrorist war to
overthrow the legitimate government of Syria; coup-mongering, sabotage, sanctions and economic blockade of Venezuela; NATO missile and
nuclear encirclement of Russia; and the growing naval threats against China ..."
"... Domestically, Trump's response to the FBI's blackmail has been to replace the original political leadership with his own version;
to expand and increase the police state powers against immigrants; to increase the powers of the major tech companies to police and
intensify work-place exploitation and the invasion of citizens' privacy; to expand the unleash the power of state agents to torture
suspects and to saturate all public events, celebrations and activities with open displays of jingoism and militarism with the goal
of creating pro-war public opinion. ..."
"... Even the fight within the two-headed reactionary party of the US oligarchy has had a positive effect. Each side is hell-bent
on exposing the state-sponsored crimes of the other. In an unprecedented and historic sense, the US and world public is witness to the
spies, lies and crimes of the leadership and elite on prime time and on the wide screen. We head in two directions. In one direction,
there are the threats of nuclear war, economic collapse, environmental disasters and a full blown police state. In the other direction,
there is the demise of empire, a revived and renewed civil society rooted in a participatory economy and a renewed moral order ..."
Few government organizations have been engaged in violation of the US citizens' constitutional rights for as long a time and against
as many individuals as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Seldom has there been greater collusion in the perpetration of
crimes against civil liberties, electoral freedom and free and lawful expression as what has taken place between the FBI and the
US Justice Department.
In the past, the FBI and Justice Department secured the enthusiastic support and public acclaim from the conservative members
of the US Congress, members of the judiciary at all levels and the mass media. The leading liberal voices, public figures, educators,
intellectuals and progressive dissenters opposing the FBI and their witch-hunting tactics were all from the left. Today, the right
and the left have changed places: The most powerful voices endorsing the FBI and the Justice Department's fabrications, and abuse
of constitutional rights are on the left, the liberal wing of the Democratic Party and famous liberal media corporations and public
opinion makers.
The recently published Congressional memo, authored by Congressman Devin Nunes, provides ample proof that the FBI spied on Trump
campaign workers with the intent to undermine the Republican candidate and sabotage his bid for the presidency. Private sector investigators,
hired by Trump's rival Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee, worked with pro-Clinton operatives within the FBI and
Justice Department to violate the national electoral process while flouting rules governing wiretaps on US citizens. This was done
with the approval of the sitting Democratic President Barack Obama.
The liberals and Democrats and their allies in the FBI, political police and other elements of the security state apparatus
were deeply involved in an attempt to implicate Russian government officials in a plot to manipulate US public opinion on Trump's
behalf and corrupt the outcome of the election. However, the FBI, the Justice Department and Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller have
produced no evidence of collusion linking the Russian government to a campaign to undermine Hillary Clinton's candidacy in favor
of Trump. This is despite thousands of interviews and threats of long prison sentences against former Trump campaign advisers. Instead,
they focus their attack on Trump's early campaign promise to find common ground in improving economic and diplomatic ties between
the US and Russia, especially in confronting jihadi terrorists.
The liberal-progressive FBI cohort turned into rabid Russia-bashers demanding that Trump take a highly aggressive stance against
Moscow, while systematically eliminating his military and security advisors who expressed anti-confrontation sentiments. In the spirit
of a Joe McCarthy, the liberal-left launched hysterical attacks on any and every Trump campaign adviser who had spoken to, dined
with or exchanged eyebrows with any and all Russians!
The conversion of liberalism to the pursuit of political purges is unprecedented. Their collective amnesia about the long-term,
large-scale involvement by the FBI in the worst criminal violations of democratic values is reprehensible. The FBI's anti-communist
crusade led to the purge of thousands of trade unionists from the mid-1940's onward, decimating the AFL-CIO. They blacklisted actors,
screen writers, artists, teachers, university academics, researchers, scientists, journalists and civil rights leaders as part of
their sweeping purge of civil society.
The FBI investigated the private lives of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, even threatening their family members. They illegally
spied on and infiltrated civil liberties organizations, and used provocateurs and spies in anti-war groups. Individuals lives were
destroyed, some were driven to suicide; important popular American organizations were undermined to the detriment of millions. This
has been its focus since its beginning and continues with the current fabrication of anti-Russian propaganda and investigations.
President Trump: Victim and Executor
President Trump has pursued an agenda mirroring the police state operations of the FBI – only on a global scale. Trump's violation
of international law includes collaboration and support for Saudi Arabia's tyrannical invasion and destruction of the sovereign nation
of Yemen; intensified aid and support for Israel's ethnic war against the Palestinian people; severe sanctions and threatened nuclear
first-strike against North Korea (DPRK); increased deployment of US special forces in collaboration with the jihadi terrorist war
to overthrow the legitimate government of Syria; coup-mongering, sabotage, sanctions and economic blockade of Venezuela; NATO missile
and nuclear encirclement of Russia; and the growing naval threats against China .
Domestically, Trump's response to the FBI's blackmail has been to replace the original political leadership with his own version;
to expand and increase the police state powers against immigrants; to increase the powers of the major tech companies to police and
intensify work-place exploitation and the invasion of citizens' privacy; to expand the unleash the power of state agents to torture
suspects and to saturate all public events, celebrations and activities with open displays of jingoism and militarism with the goal
of creating pro-war public opinion.
In a word: From the right to the left there are no political options to choose from among the two ruling political parties. Popular
political movements and mass demonstrations have risen up against Trump with clear justification, but have since dissolved and been
absorbed. They came together from diverse sectors: Women against sexual abuse and workplace humiliation; African-Americans against
police impunity and violence; and immigrants against mass expulsion and harassment. They staged mass demonstrations and then declined
as their 'anti-Trump' animus was frustrated by the liberal-democrats hell-bent on pursuing the Russian connection.
In the face of the national-political debacle local and regional movements became the vehicle to support the struggles. Women
organized at some workplaces and gained better protection of their rights; African-Americans vividly documented and published video
evidence of the systematic brutal violation of their rights by the police state and effectively acted to restrain local police violence
in a few localities; immigrant workers and especially their children gained broad public sympathy and allies within religious and
political organizations; and anti-Trump movements combined with critics of the liberal/democrat apparatus to build broader movements
and especially oppose growing war-fever.
Abroad, bi-partisan wars have failed to defeat independent state and mass popular resistance struggles for national sovereignty
everywhere – from North Korea, Iran, Yemen, Syria, and Venezuela and beyond.
Even the fight within the two-headed reactionary party of the US oligarchy has had a positive effect. Each side is hell-bent
on exposing the state-sponsored crimes of the other. In an unprecedented and historic sense, the US and world public is witness to
the spies, lies and crimes of the leadership and elite on prime time and on the wide screen. We head in two directions. In one direction,
there are the threats of nuclear war, economic collapse, environmental disasters and a full blown police state. In the other direction,
there is the demise of empire, a revived and renewed civil society rooted in a participatory economy and a renewed moral order
.
"... The world had a great opportunity in March of 1953 to reverse course rather than this insane military spending that was beginning. On March 5th, 1953, Stalin died. The Soviet leaders reached out to the United States. They offered the Americans an olive branch. They talked about changing the direction of our relations. They talked about, basically, ending the Cold War. We could've ended the Cold War as early as March 5, 1953, taken a different route. Eisenhower and the others in his administration debate what to do, how to respond. Churchill, who was now re-elected and back in office in England, begged the United States to hold a summit with the Soviet leaders and move toward peace, rather than belligerence and hostility. Eisenhower doesn't say anything publicly in response for six weeks. Then he makes a speech. It's a visionary speech. It's the kind of vision that Eisenhower represented at his best, and he says there ..."
"... PRESIDENT EISENHOWER: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. ..."
"... two days later, John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State, makes a speech reversing the whole thing. Instead of an olive branch, he gives the Soviets a middle finger and he accuses the Soviet Union of trying to overthrow every Democratic government in the world. The exact wrong message. ..."
"... Did Eisenhower speak for it or did Dulles speak for it? Was Eisenhower the militarist or was Dulles the militarist? In many ways, the '50s was a very, very dangerous time. And there were so many harebrained schemes that were going on. ..."
"... The great independent journalist I.F. Stone mentioned that the word for lunar, for moon, in Latin is Luna. And he said, we should have a new department in the cabinet and call it the Department of Lunacy because of the crazy ideas that were being promulgated at the time. ..."
"... Well, the Cuban Missile Crisis is very important because now we're going through the Korean Missile Crisis, and if Trump has his way, we'll also go through the Iranian Missile Crisis. And the last time we were this close to nuclear war was during the Cuban Missile Crisis. What happens there is that Khrushchev, in order to try to accomplish two things, or three things, really. ..."
"... And so, we were planning, we had the plans in place to overthrow the Cuban government, number one. Number two, Khrushchev wanted a credible deterrent. The Americans learned, Kennedy says, "Let's find out what the reality of the Missile Gap is." And he has McNamara do the study. We find out that there is a Missile Gap. By October of '61, we find out that there is a Missile Gap, and it's in our favor. The United States is ahead between 10 to 1 and 100 to 1 over the Soviet Union in every important category. ..."
"... He said, "We would've definitely destroyed Cuba and probably wiped out the Soviet Union as well." So, that's how close we came at this time. Which is again, as Robert Gates, another hawk, warns, "The United States should not invade Syria," he said. "Or should not bomb Syria because haven't we learned anything from Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya, that whenever these things happen, you never know what the consequences are going to be. It's always the unintended consequences that are going to get you." ..."
"... It takes two to tango. The idea that the US is solely to blame for the continuation of the Cold War, or that the US is solely to blame for a revival is Soviet/Russian propaganda. Great powers are aggressive, and rarely circumspect. ..."
"... And given Churchill's anathema toward Communism in general, and the Soviet Union in particular, and given that he was the architect of the Cold War from the West I find the idea of him being a peacenik to be bizarre. ..."
"... They do not appreciate that there are different manifestations of both economic models. (Neoliberalism is eating us alive.) They do not appreciate that communism was probably the salvation of both post-war Russia and China. They conflate socialism with communism, view high taxes as communistic, and ignore that the countries with the highest standard of living are quite socialist. ..."
"... Ike was so right about the Military-Industrial complex, and yet we have only enabled it to grow to the point that it dominates every political decision – every law – every regulation in ways that ensure weapons are expended so more can take their place; and more weapons need to be developed because the boogeyman out there (pick a regime) probably, maybe, could be building an even nastier weapon. Make no mistake, Sputnik was viewed as evidence that the Russians already had better weapons and that they would take over "outer space" and we would thus be at their mercy. Back in the 60s the US did worry that communism was working better than capitalism, and that fear enabled a lot of foreign policy (gunboat diplomacy). ..."
"... Capitalism has fatal flaws, but we should all thank Communism died the way it did. ..."
"... not like capitalism didn't murder a few proletarians if murder is the standard, both are condemned ..."
"... the vast bulk of provocations and exacerbations in that now-reprised Cold War were a pas de deluxe, not mostly driven by our own insane US leaders, like the ones discussed in small detail in the post. Conveniently ignoring the whole escalation process of the Exceptional Empire doing the "policies" of the Dulleses and their clan, the craziness of stuff like the John Birchers and the McCarthy thing, and the madness of MAD (which I believe was a notion coined by that nest of vipers called RAND, that "we have to be understood to be insane enough to commit suicide, to kill the whole planet, for the 'deterrent effect' of Massive Retaliation (forget that the US policy and military structure very seriously intended a first strike on the Evil Soviets for quite a long time, and are now building "small nukes" for 'battlespace use' as if there are no knock-on consequences.) ..."
"... Russia suffered 20 million dead in WW II, pretty much won that war against fascism, and the leaders there get dang little decrepit for being (so far) so much more the "grownups in the room" in the Great Game Of RISK! ™ that our idiot rulers are playing. Go look up how many times, however, beyond that vast set of slapstick plays that led to the "Cuban Missile Crisis", the human part of the world skated up, by combinations of accident and error, to getting its death wish. And the main impetus for the nuclear "standoff" has been the US and the "policies" forwarded by "our" insane rulers and militarists. ..."
"... Guys, I generally treasure the NC comments section, and I am not singling anyone out, but some of the rhetoric here is starting to remind me of ZeroHedge doomp&rn. Let's please recover some perspective. ..."
"... Every year of human history since the expulsion from Eden will let us cherry pick overwhelming evidence that the lunatics were running the asylum. Or that every generation of our forebears gleefully built our civilization atop heaps of skulls of [insert oppressed groups here]. ..."
"... Such faith we have in ourselves, and such little evidence other than maybe a couple of world wars and long histories of the loonies playing stupid with whole populations, that we don't need to worry about the concentrated efforts of the sociopathic lunatics to rise to positions of great power and do stupid stuff. ..."
"... "It's the kind of vision that Eisenhower represented at his best, and he says there" Was he subsequently co-opted, or BSing? ..."
"... But that doesn't help the millions who would die on the peninsula. Further, whats known as a Nuclear Famine could still occur, which would be pretty damn devastating for civilization, even if mankind itself manages to survive. ..."
"... Science is about doubt and skepticism. That's what the scientific process is. Doubt a nuclear winter: Ok, I'll bite. We have examples – Large Volcanic eruptions, and we have the year without a summer sometime in the 1830s I believe – that is in recorded History. The we searched to archeological record for more evidence, and found large die-offs following a layer of volcanic dust. Again and again, I believe. Quoting scientists who "doubt nuclear winter" requires more examination: ..."
"... Humanity might survive as a species but not as an idea. Am about halfway through the Ellsberg book and, yes, it does make Dr. Strangelove look like a documentary. Current thinking does not seem much changed. ..."
"... Something missing from the sequence of events here is that the main reason that the Kremlin put nuclear missiles in Cuba was the fact that more than 100 Jupiter intermediate-range ballistic nuclear missiles were deployed in Italy and Turkey in 1961 by the US, thus cutting down any reaction time by Moscow to minutes in case of a US attack. ..."
"... The main – unacknowledged – part of the climb down from the Cuba missile crisis was that as Russia pulled its nuclear missiles out of Cuba, the US would do the same in Europe. It cooled things down again until Reagan was electe ..."
"... I had forgotten that the 50s had just as many crazies as present times – the Dulles brothers, Curtis LeMay, Edward Teller, J. Edgar Hoover – really scary people and probably founding members of the deep state. ..."
"... The Jupiter missile agreement was a secret at the time. Kennedy wanted to minimize the appearance of a quid-pro-quo. The subsequent presence of Pershings and Tomahawks in Europe (but not Turkey) was a reaction to the mobile IRBMs deployed by the Soviet Union. Which they still have. France and Britain have their own independent deterrents. Which is just as well, since the Pershings and Tomahawks were traded away as part of START/SALT. ..."
"... The more recent escalation of NATO into E Europe, the Baltics and the Ukraine are a definite violation of the spirit of the Cuban Missile Crisis agreement, and are pure aggression against a Russia that was seen as too weak to do anything about it until they did do something about it in 2014. ..."
"... An aggressive NATO is something I view with horror. One does not poke the bear. But Kissinger (the German) and Berzhinski (the Pole) are fanatically anti-Russian. They made up for the passing of Churchill. ..."
"... LeMay had suggested that we should perhaps wipe out the Soviet Union before they had the chance to catch up to us in nukes. It was an era ruled by fear of nuclear war–a fear that was unleashed by the use of the bomb in Japan. Truman and Byrnes (the latter in a meeting in his hometown–my hometown) rejected calls by some of the Los Alamos scientists to share the nuclear secrets with the Russians and forestall this arms race or so they hoped. ..."
"... This isn't accurate. Stalin tried repeatedly and even towards the end, desperately, to sign a treaty with the Britain and France. They rebuffed him because [he was a] Commie. He signed up with Hitler only after those efforts had clearly failed. It was a self-preservation move. It probably did buy him less time than he thought. But let's not kid ourselves: Hitler's first move otherwise would have been to the East. What were later the Allies would have been delighted to see him take over the USSR. This was why British aristos were so keen on Hitler, that he was seen as an answer to Communism and therefore "our kind of man". ..."
"... General LeMay was responsible for the death of a fifth (some say a third) of the North Korean population by saturation bombing with napalm, was he not? A third? Isn't that one in three? ..."
"... Additional books that shed light on both leaving the new deal behind and the Cuban missile crisis are (1) "The Devil's Chessboard" by Talbot and (2) "JFK and The Unspeakable" by Douglass. The first is mostly about Allen Dulles but has interesting chapters on McCarthy, Eisenhower, Nixon, etc. It is reasonably well foot-noted. The second is about the assassination and has loads of detail about the missile crisis and its power players. It is meticulously foot-noted. ..."
Jerri-Lynn here: Lest anyone be deluded into thinking that the current lunacy of Trump foreign policy is unprededented and ahistoric,
part eight of
an excellent
Real News Network series on Undoing the New Deal reminds us this simply isn't so.
That series more generally discuses who helped unravel the New Deal and why. That was no accident, either. In this installment,
historian Peter Kuznick says Eisenhower called for decreased militarization, then Dulles reversed the policy; the Soviets tried to
end the cold war after the death of Stalin; crazy schemes involving nuclear weapons and the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba put the
world of the eve of destruction.
Three things I've seen recently made me think readers might appreciate this interview. First, I recently finished reading
Stephen Kinzer's The Brothers
, about the baleful consequences of the control over US foreign policy by Dulles brothers– John Foster and Alan. These continue to
reverberate to today. Well worth your time.
Over the hols, I watched Dr. Strangelove again. And I wondered, and this not for the first time: why has the world managed to
survive to this day? Seems to me just matter of time before something spirals out of control– and then, that's a wrap.
Queued up on my beside table is Daniel Ellsberg's
The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of
a Nuclear War Planner . Haven't cracked the spine of that yet, so I'll eschew further commentary, except to say that I understand
Ellsberg's provides vivid detail about just how close we've already come to annihilation.
PAUL JAY: Welcome to The Real News Network, I'm Paul Jay. We're continuing our series of discussions on the Undoing of the New
deal, and we're joined again by Professor Peter Kuznick, who joins us from Washington. Peter is a Professor of History, and Director
of the Nuclear Studies Institute at American University. Thanks for joining us again Peter.
PETER KUZNICK: My pleasure, Paul.
PAUL JAY: So, before we move on to Kennedy, and then we're going to get to Johnson, you wanted to make a comment about Eisenhower,
who made a couple of great sounding speeches about reducing military expenditure but I'm not sure how much that actually ever got
implemented. But talk about this speech in, I guess, it's 1953, is it?
PETER KUZNICK: Yes. The world had a great opportunity in March of 1953 to reverse course rather than this insane military
spending that was beginning. On March 5th, 1953, Stalin died. The Soviet leaders reached out to the United States. They offered the
Americans an olive branch. They talked about changing the direction of our relations. They talked about, basically, ending the Cold
War. We could've ended the Cold War as early as March 5, 1953, taken a different route. Eisenhower and the others in his administration
debate what to do, how to respond. Churchill, who was now re-elected and back in office in England, begged the United States to hold
a summit with the Soviet leaders and move toward peace, rather than belligerence and hostility. Eisenhower doesn't say anything publicly
in response for six weeks. Then he makes a speech. It's a visionary speech. It's the kind of vision that Eisenhower represented at
his best, and he says there
PRESIDENT EISENHOWER: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a
theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber
is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.
It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half
million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I
repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense.
Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
PETER KUZNICK: This is not a way of life at all. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.�
What a great speech and the Soviets were thrilled. They republished this. They reprinted it. They broadcast it over and over, and
then two days later, John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State, makes a speech reversing the whole thing. Instead of an olive branch,
he gives the Soviets a middle finger and he accuses the Soviet Union of trying to overthrow every Democratic government in the world.
The exact wrong message.
And so, it's sort of like Trump, where Tillerson says something sane and then Trump will undermine it two days later when it comes
to North Korea. The same thing happened in 1953 with Eisenhower and Dulles. We're really much more on the same page, but if you look
at the third world response, you've got the Bandung Conference in Indonesia in 1955, and the third world leaders are all saying,
"We have to be independent. We have to be neutral." They say, "It is insane to spend all these dollars and all these rubles on the
military when we need money for development."
PAUL JAY: So, what went on with Eisenhower, making that kind of speech? He's not known for any big increase in social spending
domestically. He helps build, as you said, the military industrial complex, especially the nuclear side of it. So, what was that
speech about, and then how does he allow Dulles to contradict him two days later?
PETER KUZNICK: That's one of the mysteries. That's why writing books on the debate, what was going on in that administration.
Did Eisenhower speak for it or did Dulles speak for it? Was Eisenhower the militarist or was Dulles the militarist? In many ways,
the '50s was a very, very dangerous time. And there were so many harebrained schemes that were going on.
We talked a little bit about Sputnik but one of the proposals after that was to blast a hydrogen bomb on the surface of the moon
to show the world that we really are the strongest. And they talked about putting missile bases on the moon, and then the idea was
to have the Soviets respond by putting their own missile bases on the moon. We could put ours on distant planets, so that we could
then hit the Soviet bases on the moon. The great independent journalist I.F. Stone mentioned that the word for lunar, for moon,
in Latin is Luna. And he said, we should have a new department in the cabinet and call it the Department of Lunacy because of the
crazy ideas that were being promulgated at the time.
This comes across, really, with the nuclear policies. So, when McGeorge Bundy asks Dan Ellsberg in 1961 to find out from the Joint
Chiefs what would be, how many people would die as a result of America's nuclear launch in the event of a war with the Soviet Union,
the Pentagon comes back with the idea that between 600 and 650 million people would die from America's weapons alone in our first
PSYOP. And that doesn't even account for nuclear winter, which would have killed us all, or the numbers who would be killed by the
Soviet weapons. That includes at least 100 million of our own allies in Western Europe.
We are talking about a period the lunacy and insanity was captured best by Stanley Kubrick in Dr. Strangelove in 1964. That policy
was so close to what was actually occurring at the time. Did Eisenhower speak for this? When Eisenhower wanted to, one of his visions
was for planetary excavation using hydrogen bombs. People should study the lunacy of Project Plowshare.
PAUL JAY: They used to have tourism to go look at nuclear tests outside of Las Vegas and people would sit just a few miles away
with sunglasses on.
PETER KUZNICK: And we sent American soldiers into the blast area, knowing that they were going to be irradiated. Yeah, the irrationality
in these times. People are going to look back at the Trump administration and if we're here later, maybe they'll laugh at us. If
we survive this period, they'll laugh. They'll look back and say, "Look at the craziness of this period." Well, if you look at the
history of the '50s and early '60s, you see a lot of that same kind of craziness in terms of the policies that were actually implemented
at the time, and the ones, for example, one of the ideas was to melt the polar ice caps using hydrogen bombs. We wanted to increase
polar melting. We wanted to increase the temperature on the planet by exploding nuclear bombs.
PAUL JAY: And this was to do, to what end?
PETER KUZNICK: For what end? I'm not sure. I mean, one-
PAUL JAY: Well, they may get their way, the way things are heading right now. They may get that.
PETER KUZNICK: And one of the things from Trump's National Security speech was to not talk about, or to say that global warming
is not a National Security concern as Obama and others had believed it was. But they wanted to actually redirect hurricanes by setting
off hydrogen bombs in the atmosphere in the path of the hurricane, so they could redirect hurricanes. They wanted to build new harbors
by setting off hydrogen bombs. They wanted to have a new canal across the, instead of the Panama canal, with hydrogen bombs and reroute
rivers in the United States.
I mean, crazy, crazy ideas that was considered American policy. And actually, it was the Soviets who saved us because Eisenhower
wanted to begin to do these programs, but the Soviets would not allow, would not give the United States the right to do that because
there was a temporary test ban in the late 1950s. And Eisenhower would have had to abrogate that in order to begin these projects.
PAUL JAY: Okay. Let's catch up. So, we had just, the last part dealt with some of Kennedy. We get into the 1960s. Kennedy is as
preoccupied with the Cold War, the beginning of the Vietnam War, Cuba, the Missile Crisis. And we had left off right at the moment
of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Give us a really quick recap because I think on this issue of militarization and former policy, we kind
of have to do a whole nother series that focuses more on that. We're trying to get more into this issue of the New Deal and what
happened to domestic social reforms in the context of this massive military expenditure. But talk a bit about that moment of the
Cuban Missile Crisis.
PETER KUZNICK: Well, the Cuban Missile Crisis is very important because now we're going through the Korean Missile Crisis,
and if Trump has his way, we'll also go through the Iranian Missile Crisis. And the last time we were this close to nuclear war was
during the Cuban Missile Crisis. What happens there is that Khrushchev, in order to try to accomplish two things, or three things,
really.
One is to, he knows the United States is planning an invasion of Cuba. The United States had been carrying out war games, massive
war games, 40,000 people participating in these war games. Like now, we're carrying out war games off the Korean coast. And the war
game that was planned for October of '62 was called Operation Ortsac. Anybody who doesn't get it? Certainly the Soviets did. Ortsac
is Castro spelled backwards.
And so, we were planning, we had the plans in place to overthrow the Cuban government, number one. Number two, Khrushchev
wanted a credible deterrent. The Americans learned, Kennedy says, "Let's find out what the reality of the Missile Gap is." And he
has McNamara do the study. We find out that there is a Missile Gap. By October of '61, we find out that there is a Missile Gap, and
it's in our favor. The United States is ahead between 10 to 1 and 100 to 1 over the Soviet Union in every important category.
Still, the pressure was to increase America's missiles and so, the Strategic Air Command in the Air Force wanted to increase
our missiles by 3,000. McNamara figures that the least number he can get away with is to increase our intercontinental ballistic
missiles by 1,000 even though we're ahead 10 to 1 already at that point. The Kremlin interpreted that, and said, "Why is the US increasing
its missiles when it's so far ahead of us?" They said, "Obviously, the United States is preparing for a first strike against the
Soviet Union." That was the Kremlin interpretation. It needed a credible deterrent.
They knew that, initially they thought, "Well, the fact that we can take out Berlin will be a credible enough deterrent. The Americans
will never attack." Then they realized that that wouldn't be a sufficient deterrent to some of the hawks in the American military,
the Curtis LeMays, who had a lot of influence at the time. Or before that, the Lemnitzers. And so, they decide, "Well, we've got
to put missiles in Cuba, which is a more credible deterrent."
And the third is that Khrushchev wanted to appease his hawks. Khrushchev's strategy was to build up Soviet consumer economy. He
said, "The Soviet people want washing machines. They want cars. They want houses. That's what we need." And so, he wanted to decrease
defense spending and one of the cheap ways to do that was to put the missiles in Cuba. So, they do that foolishly. It's a crazy policy
because they don't announce it. It's very much like the movie Strangelove, where Khrushchev was planning to announce that the missiles
were in Cuba on the anniversary of the Soviet Revolution. That was coming up in a couple-
PAUL JAY: You mean Dr. Strangelove, meaning what's the point of a doomsday machine if you don't tell people you've got it?
PETER KUZNICK: As Strangelove says, "Well what's the point of the doomsday machine if you don't announce that you have it?" And
then, the Americans didn't, the Soviets didn't announce that they had the, if they had announced that the missiles were there, then
the United States could not have invaded Cuba the way the military wanted. They could not have bombed Cuba. It would've been an effective
deterrent, especially if they announced that also, that the missiles were there, that the warheads were there and that they also
had put 100 battlefield nuclear weapons inside Cuba.
That would have meant that there was no possibility of the United States invading and that the deterrent would've actually worked.
But they didn't announce it. And so, the United States plans for an invasion and we got very close to doing so. But again, the intelligence
was abysmal. We knew where 33 of the 42 missiles were. We didn't find the other missiles. We didn't know that the battlefield nuclear
weapons were there. We didn't know that the missiles were ready to be armed.
And so, the United States was operating blind. We thought that there were 10,000 armed Soviets in Cuba. Turns out, there were
42,000 armed Soviets. We thought that there were 100,000 armed Cubans. Turns out, there were 270,000 armed Cubans. Based on the initial
intelligence, McNamara said, "If we had invaded, we figured we'd suffer 18,000 casualties, 4,500 dead." When he later finds out how
many troops there actually were there, he says, "Well, that would've been 25,000 Americans dead." When he finds out that there were
100 battlefield nuclear weapons as well, he doesn't find that out until 30 years later, and then he turns white, and he says, "Well
that would've meant we would've lost 100,000 American Troops." Twice as many, almost, as we lost in Vietnam.
He said, "We would've definitely destroyed Cuba and probably wiped out the Soviet Union as well." So, that's how close we
came at this time. Which is again, as Robert Gates, another hawk, warns, "The United States should not invade Syria," he said. "Or
should not bomb Syria because haven't we learned anything from Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya, that whenever these things happen,
you never know what the consequences are going to be. It's always the unintended consequences that are going to get you."
Which we learned in Cuba. We learned in Iraq and Afghanistan or we should've learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. Obviously, Trump
hasn't learned it and we had better learn before we do something crazy now in Korea.
PAUL JAY: All right, thanks, Peter. And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.
It takes two to tango. The idea that the US is solely to blame for the continuation of the Cold War, or that the US is
solely to blame for a revival is Soviet/Russian propaganda. Great powers are aggressive, and rarely circumspect. The existence
of nuclear weapons, was what prevented either the US or the Soviet Union/Russia from attacking each other. Otherwise the sport
of kings would have continued as usual.
And given Churchill's anathema toward Communism in general, and the Soviet Union in particular, and given that he was the
architect of the Cold War from the West I find the idea of him being a peacenik to be bizarre.
It's always that word, "communism", isn't it? As long as that word is used, everything is justifiable. If you look at it closely,
it would seem that the Russians have discovered that communism is every bit as susceptible to corruption as capitalism. Communism
has been, in fact, MORE discredited than capitalism (for now.) With Russia on the other side of the planet, what would be the
harm in letting whatever failed ideologies they have fail like Kansas failed? As Jesus might say, "Ah Ye of little faith."
The vast majority of Americans today have no idea what communism is. Most cannot even thing about communism in terms of it
being just another economic system different from capitalism. (No, it is slavery!) They do not appreciate that there are different
manifestations of both economic models. (Neoliberalism is eating us alive.) They do not appreciate that communism was probably
the salvation of both post-war Russia and China. They conflate socialism with communism, view high taxes as communistic, and ignore
that the countries with the highest standard of living are quite socialist.
In many cases, Americans vote against their own interests just because some pol labels a new social program as communist so
he can give his new bill and edge.
Ike was so right about the Military-Industrial complex, and yet we have only enabled it to grow to the point that it dominates
every political decision – every law – every regulation in ways that ensure weapons are expended so more can take their place;
and more weapons need to be developed because the boogeyman out there (pick a regime) probably, maybe, could be building an even
nastier weapon. Make no mistake, Sputnik was viewed as evidence that the Russians already had better weapons and that they would
take over "outer space" and we would thus be at their mercy. Back in the 60s the US did worry that communism was working better
than capitalism, and that fear enabled a lot of foreign policy (gunboat diplomacy).
Trump is anything if he is not politically and strategically a dim wit. Thus he probably buys into the communist boogeyman
scenario common in our culture. He is likely attracted to the economic stimulus that more guns and less butter offer in the short
run. Our problems seems to hinge on leaders who limit their action to the short run, and the long run (ensuring survival of the
human species?), well, they never get around to that.
I would not be so loving over the "communistic ideals". My great grandparents were murdered for the fact that one was a postal
office manager, another was a sock factory owner. Believe what you want, but communism is far from just an economic theory.
Communism, once you force the politics into the economic theory, is this: equality of all men, regardless of abilities, and
damn if you started off well because everything will be taken from you. Your life is not your own, your family is not your own,
your work is not your own: it belongs to the state.
Capitalism has fatal flaws, but we should all thank Communism died the way it did.
Yaas, it's just Putin friendly propaganda, that's all. Let us persuade ourselves that the vast bulk of provocations and
exacerbations in that now-reprised Cold War were a pas de deluxe, not mostly driven by our own insane US leaders, like the ones
discussed in small detail in the post. Conveniently ignoring the whole escalation process of the Exceptional Empire doing the
"policies" of the Dulleses and their clan, the craziness of stuff like the John Birchers and the McCarthy thing, and the madness
of MAD (which I believe was a notion coined by that nest of vipers called RAND, that "we have to be understood to be insane enough
to commit suicide, to kill the whole planet, for the 'deterrent effect' of Massive Retaliation (forget that the US policy and
military structure very seriously intended a first strike on the Evil Soviets for quite a long time, and are now building "small
nukes" for 'battlespace use' as if there are no knock-on consequences.)
How does one break the cycle of ever-increasing vulnerability and eventual destruction, that includes the extraction and combustion
and all the other decimations of a livable planet? how to do that when the Imperial Rulers are insane, by any sensible definition
of insanity? And the Russians sure seem to be wiser and more restrained (barring some provocation that trips one of their own
Doomsday Devices that they have instituted to try to counter the ridiculous insane provocations and adventures of the Empire?
Maybe revert to "Duck and cover?" Or that Civil Defense posture by one of the Reaganauts, one T.K. Jones, who wanted Congress
to appropriate $252 million (1980 dollars) for Civil Defense, mostly for SHOVELS: in the firmly held belief that "we can fight
and win a nuclear war with the Soviet Union:"
Three times Mr. Jones – or someone speaking in his name – agreed to testify. Three times he failed to appear. The Pentagon
finally sent a pinch-hitter, Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle. But the Senate wants Mr. Jones. It wants an authoritative
explanation of his plan to spend $252 million on civil defense. Evidently, most of that money will go for shovels.
For this is how the alleged Mr. Jones describes the alleged civil defense strategy: "Dig a hole, cover it with a couple
of doors and then throw three feet of dirt on top. It's the dirt that does it."
Mr. Jones seems to believe that the United States could recover fully, in two to four years, from an all-out nuclear
attack. As he was quoted in The Los Angeles Times: "Everybody's going to make it if there are enough shovels to go around."
Dig on, Senator Pressler. We're all curious.
Russia suffered 20 million dead in WW II, pretty much won that war against fascism, and the leaders there get dang little
decrepit for being (so far) so much more the "grownups in the room" in the Great Game Of RISK! ™ that our idiot rulers are playing.
Go look up how many times, however, beyond that vast set of slapstick plays that led to the "Cuban Missile Crisis", the human
part of the world skated up, by combinations of accident and error, to getting its death wish. And the main impetus for the nuclear
"standoff" has been the US and the "policies" forwarded by "our" insane rulers and militarists.
"Tu Quoque" is an especially weak and inapposite and insupportable argument in this context.
SPOT ON! IF Robby Mook and the gang can stir up a Russian frenzy from hell based on nothing more than sour grapes, and IF what
we know about the deep state is only the tip of the iceberg, and IF the media is largely under the control of the 'Gov, THEN a
logical human must at least be open to the possibility that there is also such a thing as American propaganda, must (s)he not?
Yes. Nobody invaded Argentina when Juan Peron et al took over. Hitler and Mussolini could have died as dictators decades later
if they had simply kept their armies home.
Guys, I generally treasure the NC comments section, and I am not singling anyone out, but some of the rhetoric here is
starting to remind me of ZeroHedge doomp&rn. Let's please recover some perspective.
Every year of human history since the expulsion from Eden will let us cherry pick overwhelming evidence that the lunatics
were running the asylum. Or that every generation of our forebears gleefully built our civilization atop heaps of skulls of [insert
oppressed groups here].
Yet during the Cold War, there were plenty of prominent people calling out the McCarthys and Lemays of the world as loons (and
behind the Curtain, even Stalin was removed from key posts before his death). Guess what, sane generally wins out over the mad
king. The arc of history indeed bends toward justice, though never without sacrifice and diligent truthseeking. The ones to worry
about are the snake oil merchants, who pee on our shoes and tell us it's raining.
g.
Such faith we have in ourselves, and such little evidence other than maybe a couple of world wars and long histories of
the loonies playing stupid with whole populations, that we don't need to worry about the concentrated efforts of the sociopathic
lunatics to rise to positions of great power and do stupid stuff.
Yes, this is what the world gets when technological advancement is combined with a socio-economic system that rewards sociopathic
tendencies. A system advanced by propaganda (disguised as entertainment and education) backed up with the barrell of a gun and
cameras everywhere.
This article is not scary enough. Find out that in 1983 there was almost a nuclear war. Both sides have a first strike strategy
and a Russian general thought that actions of Reagan were getting ready for the first strike and he was going to strike first.
And during the Cuban missile crisis, Russian subs had nuclear weapons on them and we dropped low level depth charges on them and
we didn't know that they were armed.
This is a very long interview of Daniel Ellsberg in Seattle on Jan 9, 2018.
Now that everyone, except many in the USA, knows that when the USA changes a government that the country is ruined, this may
have forced North and South Korea to get together.
Ellsberg says that any nukes used in the Korean Peninsula would result in at least 1 million dead and while 60 million in WWII
were killed during the course of the war, with nukes that many cold be killed in a week. And then, nuclear winter would finish
off the rest of us.
To be fair, there are now doubts among scientists that Nuclear Winter as classically described would even be a thing.
But that doesn't help the millions who would die on the peninsula. Further, whats known as a Nuclear Famine could still
occur, which would be pretty damn devastating for civilization, even if mankind itself manages to survive.
Science is about doubt and skepticism. That's what the scientific process is. Doubt a nuclear winter: Ok, I'll bite. We
have examples – Large Volcanic eruptions, and we have the year without a summer sometime in the 1830s I believe – that is in recorded
History. The we searched to archeological record for more evidence, and found large die-offs following a layer of volcanic dust.
Again and again, I believe. Quoting scientists who "doubt nuclear winter" requires more examination:
List them, together with their credentials and "donor$."
You can google nuclear winter early enough. And yes, there are scientists who are skeptical for various reasons. The only group
that has written a paper on it in recent years is composed of some of the same scientists who originally proposed it and they
think it is real.
Reasons for skepticism include doubt about the amount of smoke that would be produced. And the volcano and asteroid comparisons
are imperfect because the details are different. People used to talk about volcanic dust, and now it is mostly sulfuric acid droplets.
With asteroids the initial thought was the KT boundary layer represented trillions of tons of submicron size dust and then Melosh
proposed ejects blasted around the world heated the upper atmosphere and ignited global fires and created soot and then his grad
student Tamara Goldin wrote her dissertation saying the heat might not be quite enough to do that and then people suggested it
was ( I won't go into why) and others suggested the bolide hit sulfur layers .
The point is that there is not a consensus about the detailed atmospheric effects of either large asteroid impacts or of super
volcanoes like Toba and yet we do have some evidence because these things happened. We don't have an example to study in tge geologic
record where hundreds of cities were hit simultaneously with nuclear weapons.
I could go on, but I don't want to give the impression I have a strong opinion either way, because I don't. But I think the
case for global warming is overwhelming because vastly more people are working on it and it is happening in front of us. It is
not just computer models.
Forget possible nuclear winter, the economic effects alone would be worth 10 Lehman brothers (2008 meltdowns). And then the
knock on effects would cause other knock on effects like other wars. Even without a nuclear winter, civilization would probably
collapse within 18 months anyway.
All this, while true, only change the details not the results. The Chicxulub impact almost certainly exterminated the
majority of then living species, and the Toba Supervolcano probably almost caused our extinction. That suggest throwing massive
amounts of anything into the atmosphere is not good.
As a student I would like to know the details, but in practice, it's like arguing whether a snow storm or a blizzard killed
someone. Humanity as a species would probably survive a nuclear war okay, but many(most?) individuals as well as our planetary
civilization would be just as dead. The numbers dying would be slightly different is all.
Humanity might survive as a species but not as an idea. Am about halfway through the Ellsberg book and, yes, it does make
Dr. Strangelove look like a documentary. Current
thinking does not seem much changed.
Something missing from the sequence of events here is that the main reason that the Kremlin put nuclear missiles in Cuba
was the fact that more than 100 Jupiter intermediate-range ballistic nuclear missiles were deployed in Italy and Turkey in 1961
by the US, thus cutting down any reaction time by Moscow to minutes in case of a US attack.
The main – unacknowledged – part of the climb down from the Cuba missile crisis was that as Russia pulled its nuclear missiles
out of Cuba, the US would do the same in Europe. It cooled things down again until Reagan was elected.
I had forgotten that the 50s had just as many crazies as present times – the Dulles brothers, Curtis LeMay, Edward Teller,
J. Edgar Hoover – really scary people and probably founding members of the deep state.
The Jupiter missile agreement was a secret at the time. Kennedy wanted to minimize the appearance of a quid-pro-quo. The
subsequent presence of Pershings and Tomahawks in Europe (but not Turkey) was a reaction to the mobile IRBMs deployed by the Soviet
Union. Which they still have. France and Britain have their own independent deterrents. Which is just as well, since the Pershings
and Tomahawks were traded away as part of START/SALT.
The more recent escalation of NATO into E Europe, the Baltics and the Ukraine are a definite violation of the spirit of
the Cuban Missile Crisis agreement, and are pure aggression against a Russia that was seen as too weak to do anything about it
until they did do something about it in 2014.
An aggressive NATO is something I view with horror. One does not poke the bear. But Kissinger (the German) and Berzhinski
(the Pole) are fanatically anti-Russian. They made up for the passing of Churchill.
Just recently Russia deployed more nuclear-capable Iskander missiles to the Kaliningrad enclave between Poland and Lithuania.
Maybe something to do with all those special forces NATO keeps stationing on the Russian border?
And all the a -- -oles who Command and Rule, and most of the commentariat and punditry, all treat these affairs as if they
are playing some Brobdingnagian Game of Risk ™, where as with Monopoly (which was originally intended to teach a very different
lesson) the object of the game is all about TAKING OVER THE WHOLE WORLD, WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA an idiotic froth on top of an ever more
dangerous brew of exponentially increasing,and largely ignored, mutual if often asymmetric, deadly vulnerability.
Stupid effing humans and their vast stupid monkey tricks
LeMay had suggested that we should perhaps wipe out the Soviet Union before they had the chance to catch up to us in nukes.
It was an era ruled by fear of nuclear war–a fear that was unleashed by the use of the bomb in Japan. Truman and Byrnes (the latter
in a meeting in his hometown–my hometown) rejected calls by some of the Los Alamos scientists to share the nuclear secrets with
the Russians and forestall this arms race or so they hoped.
So no the crazy didn't start with Trump and Trump had even advocated we make nice with the Russians until the Dems, their remnants
at State and Defense and the press forced him to change course (on threat of impeachment). The elites who have gained more or
less permanent power over the direction of this country are a threat to us all.
Anyhow, thanks for the above post. Those who forget history ..
Different world. The first generation of nuclear weapons had yields (around 20-30Kt) that were comprehensible in terms of conventional
bombing, which of course would have required many more aircraft but was also much more efficient per tonne of explosives. For
the formative years after 1945, therefore, people thought of nuclear weapons as weapons in the classic sense and, at that time,
nobody really knew that much about the effects of radiation and fallout. This all changed with the advent of the hydrogen bomb,
but even then it took a long time for the likely catastrophic effects of the use of such weapons in large numbers to sink in.
Nuclear technology, and both delivery and guidance systems, evolved far more quickly than rationales for their use could be found.
Indeed, you can say that the Cold War was a period when nuclear powers found themselves acquiring weapons with technologies that
couldn't actually be used, but couldn't be un-invented either. Enormous intellectual effort went into trying to provide post-hoc
rationales for having these weapons, some of it very ingenious, most of it wasted.
Don't forget the role of paranoia either. NSC-68, the report that formalized US strategy during the Cold War, reads today like
the ravings of a group of lunatics, seeing, almost literally, Reds under the beds. And if Stalin was dead, the Soviet leadership
had just gone through a war which had cost them almost 30 million dead, and any, literally any, sacrifice was worth it to make
sure that they prevented another war, or at least won it quickly.
US military casualties in WW2: 407,300
US civilian casualties in WW2: 12,100
USSR military casualties in WW2: estimated by various sources [see the footnotes] between 8,668,000 to 11,400,000.
USSR civilian casualties in WW2: 10,000,000 [plus another 6-7 million deaths from famine, a line in the table that is completely
blank for the US]
Simply put, for every American that died, somewhere between a thousand to two thousand of their Russian counterparts were killed.
And somehow people in the US were convinced and worried that Russia wanted to start yet another war when they still hadn't finished
burying the dead from the last one.
1. Stalin made his pact with the devil that gave Hitler free rein to invade Poland and France. Hitler then invaded Russia from
Poland as the jumping off point. Stalin miscalculated big-time.
2. Invaded countries always have many more civilian countries than un-invaded ones.
3. Germany started WW II only 20 years after the end of WW I that also slaughtered 2 million German soldiers. Past losses generally
does not appear to impact the decision-making of dictators regarding new wars. So it would have been irrational for the West to
think that the USSR had no intent to expand its borders. That was the blunder that France and Britain made in 1938-39. However,
the paranoia did get extreme in the Cold War.
This isn't accurate. Stalin tried repeatedly and even towards the end, desperately, to sign a treaty with the Britain and
France. They rebuffed him because [he was a] Commie. He signed up with Hitler only after those efforts had clearly failed. It
was a self-preservation move. It probably did buy him less time than he thought. But let's not kid ourselves: Hitler's first move
otherwise would have been to the East. What were later the Allies would have been delighted to see him take over the USSR. This
was why British aristos were so keen on Hitler, that he was seen as an answer to Communism and therefore "our kind of man".
The Poles have been the Germans and Russians chewtoy ever since it was completely partitioned. All the countries immediately
around Russia have been horribly abused by Russia. Putin is doing his country no favors by reminding everyone of that. He can
cow them into submission, but like the American government is finding, just because they are doesn't mean they cannot cause trouble.
Heck, the current Great Game could be said to have started with the Soviet-Afghanistan War.
Going into the war every country was unprepared and unwilling to fight and had difficulty choices. The German military
itself was not prepared. It was Hitler's choice to start when and where and by 1938 everyone knew it. Hitler was surprised that
France and Great Britain honored their guarantee to Poland.
As evil as Stalin's regime was, and his invasion of Poland was just as bad as Hitler's at first, I don't think most people
really understood just how evil the Nazis were and what they were planning on doing for Germany's living space. It was worse than
anything that Stalin did and between the Ukrainian famine, the Great Purges, the takeover of the Baltic States, the invasion of
Finland, etc he did serious evil.
General LeMay was responsible for the death of a fifth (some say a third) of the North Korean population by saturation
bombing with napalm, was he not? A third? Isn't that one in three?
Additional books that shed light on both leaving the new deal behind and the Cuban missile crisis are (1) "The Devil's
Chessboard" by Talbot and (2) "JFK and The Unspeakable" by Douglass. The first is mostly about Allen Dulles but has interesting
chapters on McCarthy, Eisenhower, Nixon, etc. It is reasonably well foot-noted. The second is about the assassination and has
loads of detail about the missile crisis and its power players. It is meticulously foot-noted.
I was going to post the text of the short review, but all I got at the moment is this blankety iPhone and its limits with cut
and paste.
Not many read books anyway these days, and what sufficient moiety of them will form the groundswell that tips over the Juggernaut
we are all pushing and pulling and riding toward the cliff?
I read this stuff mostly to sense which hand holds the knife and not to go down asking "What happened? What did it all mean?"
Trump has been bellicose re NK and Iran, but I see him as resisting the Syrian adventure, while cia plus military hawks pushing
forward.
Dems today are real hawks, itching to confront Russia in both Syria and Ukraine the latter another place trump may be resisting
hawks, the area has been quiet since the election, I.e. since dems were in charge.
It's an odd thought that in some theaters trump may be the sane one
Yaas, nothing is happening in Ukraine, all is quiet on the Eastern Front of NATO:
http://ukraine.csis.org/ Nuland has gone on to other conquests, and all
that. The CIA and War Department have lost interest in that Conflict Zone. Nothing is happening. You are getting sleepy. Sleepy.
Yeah, the title of this post would lead one to believe that their is something uniquely horrible about Trump's foreign policy.
From anything I can detect, her bellicose statement about a no-fly zone in Syria and her abject destruction of Libya, HRC's FP
would have been even worse.
If she had been elected, we might already be in a ground war with the Russians in Syria. The only hopeful sign is that while
Trump spends his day watching TeeVee, State, DOD, and CIA are all working at cross purposes and getting in each other's way.
Foreign policy? We have a foreign policy? If anybody finds it, will they please explain it to me?
I almost never comment, although I rely on NC for most of my news and blood pressure control. You are a treasure.
May I recommend another book – "All Honorable Men" – by James Stewart Martin. Published in 1950 and shortly thereafter all
bookstore copies were hoovered-up and burned by the CIA. It might have been referenced in one of the RNN segments, but I haven't
slogged through all of them yet.
You can get a hardback at Amazon for a mere $298. An i-book is cheaper.
After reading "The Brothers," and "The Devil's Chessboard," I considered starting a non-profit using GPS technology – Piss-on-their-Graves.org.
The Forbidden Bookshelf series by Open Media
is fantastic. Sadly for dinosaurs like me, it is mostly ebooks, but they do the occasional hard copy reprints, and since much
in the series would be out of print without Open Media, even the ebooks are great to have.
And it is interesting to see how many bothersome books just go away even without any "censorship" even with the First Amendment
being the one right courts have consistently, and strongly, enforced.
This article reminded me of an interesting/disturbing thing I saw on tv last night – a local news show had a bit on what to
do in case of nuclear attack!
Boomers & older probably remember the drill: go to the basement or innermost room of the house, have 72 hours of food & water
stashed & don't go outside for at least 3 days, etc. (yeah, that's the ticket).
Thought I was having a flashback to the 60's
Of course the best advice I ever heard on the subject was "Squat down, put your head between your knees & kiss your sweet [rear
end] goodbye."
Well, as I recall they were trying to give us the illusion of control so that we would not go all nihilistic or into a drunken
fatalistic stupor. I don't know if telling people, like little JBird, that the bombs might start dropping anytime in which case
you're just f@@@@d would have done any good.
One interpretation of the Cold War, that I found revealing, was that the two "opposing" militaries colluded to magnify the
threat so as to pump up their respective budgets. So both were essentially conning their own governments – and putting the whole
world at risk in the process.
Of course, another big factor, equally obvious at the time, was (and is) that world "leaders," elected or not, can't resist
the temptation to play chess with live pieces. They don't seem to care that people wind up dead, or that occasionally they put
the whole world in danger.
It's SIOP, not PSYOP. SIOP stands for Single Integrated Operating Plan, which was what the first nuclear war plan was called.
PSYOPS are Psychological Operations.
Having served in the first Cold War, it simply is beyond my comprehension that the Democrats restarted it all over again. Even
weirder are the neo-con proponents of a First Strike. If the USA wins, at least one or two major cities (if not all) will be destroyed.
New Zealand becomes the sequel to "On the Beach". We are in the same position as Germany in the 1930s except we know that the
world war will destroy us. Tell me, how in the hell, did a few thousand U.S. soldiers and contractors ended up in the middle of
Eastern Syria surrounded by Russians, the Syrian Arab Army and Shiite militias at risk of attack by Turkey?
Tell me, how in the hell, did a few thousand U.S. soldiers and contractors ended up in the middle of Eastern Syria surrounded
by Russians, the Syrian Arab Army and Shiite militias at risk of attack by Turkey?
Why they are needed to fight the evil-doers of course! Anything to protect our Freedom and the American Way. Now, ifyou keep
asking these inconvenient questions, then "they" might start asking if you support the terrorists.
It's like when my half blind aged mother, and her possibly weaponized cane, is scrutinized as a possible al-Qaeda terrorist
with a super hidden weapon, and I ask why it's 9/11 and the very bad people might hurt us.
Nuclear winter. How quaint. Soot and dust. Rapid cooling. Crop failures. Starvation. Billions -perhaps- dead.
But life, certainly, will find a way!
Not in my world. All-out thermonuclear war means 250 nuclear reactors melt down simultaneously and several hundred thousand
tons of loosely stored nuclear waste becomes aerosoled.
The resulting radiation blast burns the atmosphere off and the earth becomes a dead planet.
We can never look the thing straight in the eye. Take North Korea. We have been told, repeatedly, endlessly, that they have
20,000 artillery pieces trained on Seoul!
Again, how quaint. How SCARY! What we should be reading about, are the priority targets, the game changers:
"People should study the lunacy of Project Plowshare."
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Yeah. In 1992 my wife was serving as the QA Mgr for the Nevada Test Site (NTS) nuke remediation project contractor. In 1993
a successful FOIA filing unearthed the Alaskan "Project Chariot." One of the brilliant Project Plowshare ideas was the potential
utility of nuke detonations to carve out deep water harbors (they now deny it), so they took a bunch of irradiated soil from NTS
and and spread it around on the tundra 130 miles N of the Arctic circle on the coast of the Chukchi Sea to "study potential environmental
impacts."
The nuke "dredging" idea went nowhere, so they just plowed the irradiated crap under the surface, where it remained secret
until the FOIA revelation decades later. DOE told my wife's company "go clean this shit up" (Eskimo tribes were freaking after
finding out), so off goes my wife and her crew to spend the summer and fall living in tents guarded by armed polar bear guards
(they had to first plow out a dirt & gravel runway, and flew everyone and all supplies in on STOL aircraft). They dug the test
bed area all up (near Cape Thompson), assayed samples in an onsite radlab, put some 30 tons of "contaminated" Arctic soil in large
sealed containers, barged it all down to Seattle, loaded it on trucks and drove it all back down to be buried at NTS.
Your tax dollars.
She looked so cute with her clipboard, and her orange vest, steel toed boots and hardhat.
As a teenager I read in a newspaper a proposal to use nuclear blasts to form a canal that would bring the sea to the middle
of Australia and form an inland sea from which water could be drawn. We already had nuclear weapon being tested here (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_tests_in_Australia
) so there was no appetite for ideas like this.
"... Last year, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime noted that while West Africa "has long been a transit zone for cocaine and heroin trafficking, it has now turned into a production zone for illicit substances such as amphetamines and precursors" and that drug use "is also a growing issue at the local level." Meanwhile, heroin trafficking has been on the rise in East Africa , along with personal use of the drug. ..."
"... In the spring of 2001, American experts concluded that a ban on opium-poppy cultivation by Afghanistan's Taliban government had wiped out the world's largest heroin-producing crop. Later that year, the U.S. military invaded and, since 2002, America has pumped $8.7 billion in counternarcotics funding into that country. A report issued late last month by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction detailed the results of anti-drug efforts during CENTCOM's 16-year-old war: "Afghanistan's total area under opium cultivation and opium production reached an all-time high in 2017," it reads in part. "Afghanistan remains the world's largest opium producer and exporter, producing an estimated 80% of the world's opium." ..."
"... While AFRICOM and, to a lesser extent, CENTCOM have made changes in how they track counternarcotics aid, both seemingly remain hooked on pouring money into efforts that have produced few successes. More effective use of spreadsheets won't solve the underlying problems of America's wars or cure an addiction to policies that continue to fail. ..."
More troubling than the findings in the IG's report or CENTCOM's apparent refusal to heed
its recommendations may be the actual trajectory of the drug trade in the two commands' areas
of responsibility: Africa and the Greater Middle East. Last year, the United Nations Office on
Drugs and Crime
noted that while West Africa "has long been a transit zone for cocaine and heroin
trafficking, it has now turned into a production zone for illicit substances such as
amphetamines and precursors" and that drug use "is also a growing issue at the local level."
Meanwhile,
heroin trafficking has been on the
rise in
East Africa , along with personal
use of the drug.
Even the Pentagon's Africa Center for Strategic Studies is sounding an alarm. "Drug
trafficking is a major transnational threat in Africa that converges with other illicit
activities ranging from money laundering to human trafficking and terrorism," it
warned last November. "According to the 2017 U.N. World Drug Report, two-thirds of the
cocaine smuggled between South America and Europe passes through West Africa, specifically
Benin, Cape Verde, Ghana, Guinea-Bissau, Mali, Nigeria, and Togo. Kenya, Nigeria, and Tanzania
are among the countries that have seen the highest traffic in opiates passing from Pakistan and
Afghanistan to Western destinations." As badly as this may reflect on AFRICOM's efforts to
bolster the counter-drug-trafficking prowess of key allies like Kenya, Mali, and Nigeria, it
reflects even more dismally on CENTCOM, which oversees Washington's long-running war in
Afghanistan and its seemingly ceaseless
counternarcotics mission there.
In the spring of 2001, American experts concluded
that a ban on opium-poppy cultivation by Afghanistan's Taliban government had wiped out the
world's largest heroin-producing crop. Later that year, the U.S. military invaded and, since
2002, America has pumped
$8.7 billion in counternarcotics funding into that country. A report issued
late last month by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction detailed the
results of anti-drug efforts during CENTCOM's 16-year-old war: "Afghanistan's total area under
opium cultivation and opium production reached an all-time high in 2017," it reads in part.
"Afghanistan remains the world's largest opium producer and exporter, producing an estimated
80% of the world's opium."
In many ways, these outcomes mirror those of the larger counterterror efforts of which these
anti-drug campaigns are just a part. In 2001, for example, U.S. forces were fighting just two
enemy forces in Afghanistan: al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Now, according to a recent
Pentagon report , they're battling more than 10 times that number. In Africa, an official
count of
five prime terror groups in 2012 has expanded, depending on the Pentagon source, to more
than
20 or even closer to
50 .
Correlation doesn't equal causation, but given the outcomes of significant counternarcotics
assistance from Africa Command and Central Command -- including some $500 million over just
three recent years -- there's little evidence to suggest that better record-keeping can solve
the problems plaguing the military's anti-drug efforts in the greater Middle East or Africa.
While AFRICOM and, to a lesser extent, CENTCOM have made changes in how they track
counternarcotics aid, both seemingly remain hooked on pouring money into efforts that have
produced few successes. More effective use of spreadsheets won't solve the underlying problems
of America's wars or cure an addiction to policies that continue to fail.
160 billion plus 160 billion are pretty serious money. money that were stolen from ordinary Americans.
PRESIDENT EISENHOWER: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a
theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money
alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern
heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000
population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter
plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000
people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at
all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. (cited from
The Age of Lunacy The Doomsday Machine naked
capitalism )
Notable quotes:
"... The military talks about needing all these scores of billions to "rebuild." And, sure, there are ships that need to be refitted, planes in need of repairs, equipment that needs to be restocked, and veterans who need to be cared for. But a massive increase in military and war spending, perhaps as high as $320 billion over two years, is a recipe for excessive waste and even more disastrous military adventurism. ..."
"... Perhaps you've heard of the expression, "Spending money like drunken sailors on shore leave." Our military has been drunk with money since 9/11. Is it really wise to give those "sailors" an enormous boost in the loose change they're carrying, trusting them to spend it wisely? ..."
The new Congressional budget boosts military spending in a
big way . Last night's PBS
News report documented how military spending is projected to increase by $160 billion over
two years, but that doesn't include "overseas contingency funding" for wars, which is another
$160 billion over two years. Meanwhile, spending for the opioid crisis, which is killing
roughly 60,000 Americans a year (more Americans than were killed in the Vietnam War), is set at
a paltry $6 billion ($25 billion was requested).
One thing is certain: Ike was right about the undue
influence of the military-industrial-Congressional complex.
The military talks about needing all these scores of billions to "rebuild." And, sure, there
are ships that need to be refitted, planes in need of repairs, equipment that needs to be
restocked, and veterans who need to be cared for. But a massive increase in military and war
spending, perhaps as high as $320 billion over two years, is a recipe for excessive waste and
even more disastrous military adventurism.
Even if you're a supporter of big military budgets, this massive boost in military spending
is bad news. Why? It doesn't force the military to think . To set priorities. To define limits.
To be creative.
Perhaps you've heard of the expression, "Spending money like drunken sailors on shore
leave." Our military has been drunk with money since 9/11. Is it really wise to give those
"sailors" an enormous boost in the loose change they're carrying, trusting them to spend it
wisely?
William J. Astore is a retired lieutenant colonel (USAF). He taught history for fifteen
years at military and civilian schools and blogs at Bracing Views . He can be reached at [email protected] . Reprinted from Bracing Views with the author's permission.
From comments: We are the new Roman Empire but far less honest about it. This is why we our military is grossly underfunded. It isn't about defense. It is about domination.
Notable quotes:
"... Those who great assurance and aplomb stated that McMaster and Mattis et al would serve as "the adults in the room" are fools. But then we knew that already, didn't we? Because those who said things like that about Mattis and McMaster were in many cases the same people who pushed us into stupid wars in Iraq, Libya, and Yemen. ..."
"... This is exactly how you find out if Trump is a dog and pony show ..."
"... Looks like Trump's foreign policy is the same as Hillary Clinton's would have been, endless war. ..."
"... I fear that we have developed a mentality where we fully expect to be able to exert military force in countries like Syria as if we are an auxiliary police force and expect the locals to behave. The day they actually shoot down a U.S. aircraft will be so shocking that the Hawks in this country will demand that we have to respond to an act of aggression and anyone who says otherwise will be dismissed as a traitor. We are the new Roman Empire but far less honest about it. This is why we our military is grossly underfunded. It isn't about defense. It is about domination. ..."
Secretary Mattis
claims not to understand why pro-regime forces advanced on U.S.-backed rebels in eastern Syria:
In Washington, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis described the situation as "perplexing," and said he had "no idea why they would
attack" the base. Both Russian and Syrian-aligned forces on the ground had long known the U.S. and allied forces were there, he
said.
Perhaps Mattis is only feigning confusion here, but it isn't encouraging that the head of our Defense Department claims not to
know why forces aligned with the Syrian government might want to attack a base where the enemies of that government are located.
They attacked the base because they "had long known the U.S. and allied forces were there." They oppose the presence of
"U.S. and allied forces" there. This should be clear by now. If our top leaders don't know something as basic as this about the situation
they are putting our soldiers in, that is deeply troubling. Mattis also "denied that the attack and the U.S. response constituted
American engagement in the Syrian civil war," but this is preposterous. By providing support to armed groups inside Syria and deploying
our own forces alongside them, the U.S. is taking sides in the Syrian civil war whether our leaders want to acknowledge that involvement
or not. By attacking pro-regime forces and killing dozens of their men, the U.S. has committed acts of war against another government
on its own soil without Congressional or U.N. authorization.
As the threat of ISIS recedes, it becomes increasingly difficult use that threat to justify a U.S. military presence inside Syria.
The pretense that an open-ended mission in Syria is solely aimed at opposing ISIS is not credible when U.S. officials explicitly
state that an indefinite U.S. military presence is also intended to deny the Syrian government and its allies control over parts
of Syria. The Syrian government and its allies did not try to stop U.S. intervention in Syria when it began in 2014, but they have
never agreed to our military presence. As it happens, the Syrian government and its allies are correct when they describe our military
presence there as illegal. Secretary Mattis isn't able to counter those claims because there is absolutely no legal justification
for having our troops in Syria and there never has been.
The smart thing to do now is to remove U.S. forces from Syria as soon as possible to ensure that there are no further clashes
like this. If the Trump administration doesn't do that, it will be inexorably pulled deeper into conflicts that serve no American
interest.
I mean, it's becoming really ludicrous isn't it? Mattis what is he even saying ? He sounds like a completely clueless buffoon.
Those who great assurance and aplomb stated that McMaster and Mattis et al would serve as "the adults in the room" are fools.
But then we knew that already, didn't we? Because those who said things like that about Mattis and McMaster were in many cases
the same people who pushed us into stupid wars in Iraq, Libya, and Yemen.
I should have taken a picture: there was a Ford plant outside Damascus in Assad's Syria as late as 2008.
One time, coming out of Zahle and heading back to Damascus, there was a range of drivers available to cross the border. Of
course, I chose the guy with the musclebound 70s Chevy. He floored it on the Syrian plain for the better part of an hour, relishing
his love for American machinery in front of me, knowing how to drive it like every farm boy in the rural US Midwest.
"U.S. counter-attack in Syria included Air Force AC-130 gunships, F-15s, F-22s, Army Apache helicopter gunships and Marine Corps
artillery killing 100 Russian and Assad-backed fighters in 3-hour battle beginning around midnight last night."
I question the veracity of the Pentagon's account but in any case what happens when the Syrian army fights back against U.S. forces
in one of these 'unexpected' encounters?
I fear that we have developed a mentality where we fully expect to be able to exert military force in countries like Syria
as if we are an auxiliary police force and expect the locals to behave. The day they actually shoot down a U.S. aircraft will
be so shocking that the Hawks in this country will demand that we have to respond to an act of aggression and anyone
who says otherwise will be dismissed as a traitor. We are the new Roman Empire but far less honest about it. This is why we our
military is grossly underfunded. It isn't about defense. It is about domination.
"... The post WW2 promotion process in the armed forces has produced a group at the top with a mentality that typically thinks rigorously but not imaginatively or creatively. ..."
"... These men got to their present ranks and positions by being conformist group thinkers who do not stray outside the "box" of their guidance from on high. They actually have scheduled conference calls among themselves to make sure everyone is "on board." ..."
"... If asked at the top, where military command and political interaction intersect, what policy should be they always ask for more money and to be allowed to pursue outcomes that they can understand as victory and self fulfilling with regard to their collective self image as warrior chieftains. ..."
"... In Trump's time his essential disinterest in foreign policy has led to a massive delegation of authority to Mattis and the leadership of the empire's forces. Their reaction to that is to look at their dimwitted guidance from on high (defeat IS, depose Assad and the SAG, triumph in Afghanistan) and to seek to impose their considerable available force to seek accomplishment as they see fit of this guidance in the absence of the kind of restrictions that Obama placed on them. ..."
"... Like the brass, I, too, am a graduate of all those service schools that attend success from the Basic Course to the Army War College. I will tell you again that the people at the top are not good at "the vision thing." They are not stupid at all but they are a collective of narrow thinkers ..."
"... Academia reinforces the groupthink. The mavericks are shunned or ostracized. The only ones I have seen with some degree of going against the grain are technology entrepreneurs. ..."
"... "They are not stupid at all but they are a collective of narrow thinkers." I have found this to be the case with 80 to 90% of most professions. A good memory and able to perform meticulously what they have been taught, but little thinking outside that narrow box. Often annoying, but very dangerous in this case. ..."
"... Since Afghanistan and the brass were mentioned in the editorial statement, here is an immodest question -- Where the brass have been while the opium production has been risen dramatically in Afghanistan under the US occupation? "Heroin Addiction in America Spearheaded by the US-led War on Afghanistan" by Paul Craig Roberts: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/02/06/heroin-addiction-america-spearheaded-us-led-war-afghanistan/ ..."
"... A simple Q: What has been the role of the CENTCOM re the racket? Who has arranged the protection for the opium production and for drug dealers? Roberts suggests that the production of opium in Afghanistan "finances the black operations of the CIA and Western intelligence agencies." -- All while Awan brothers, Alperovitch and such tinker with the US national security? ..."
"... God help the poor people of Syria. ..."
"... thanks pat... it seems like the usa has had a steady group of leaders that have no interest in the world outside of the usa, or only in so far as they can exploit it for their own interest... maybe that sums up the foreign policy of the usa at this point... you say trump is disinterested.. so all the blather from trump about 'why are we even in syria?', or 'why can't we be friends with the russia?' is just smoke up everyone's ass... ..."
"... Predictably there is always someone who says that this group is not different from all others. Unfortunately the military function demands more than the level of mediocrity found in most groups ..."
"... A lot of technology entrepreneurs--especially those active today--are stuck in their own groupthink, inflated by their sense that they are born for greatness and can do no wrong. ..."
"... The kind of grand schemes that the top people at Google, Uber, and Facebook think up to remake the universe in their own idea of "good society" are frightening. That they are cleverer (but not necessarily wiser) than the academics, borgists, or generals, I think, makes them even more dangerous. ..."
"... They [the generals] seem to have deliberately completely ignored the issues and policy positions Trump ran on as President. It isn't a case of ignorance but of wilful disregard. ..."
"... So true and as others commented this is a sad feature of the human race and all human organizations. Herd mentality ties into social learning ..."
"... Our massive cultural heritages are learned by observing and taken in as a whole. This process works within organizations as well. ..."
"... I suspect a small percentage of the human race functions differently than the majority and retains creative thinking and openness along with more emphasis on cognitive thinking than social learning but generally they always face a battle when working to change the group "consensus", i.e. Fulton's folly, scepticism on whether man would ever fly, etc. ..."
"... This is an interesting discussion. The top in organisations (civil and military) are increasingly technocrats and thinking like systems managers. They are unable to innovate because they lack the ability to think out of the box. Usually there is a leader who depends on specialists. Others (including laymen) are often excluding from the decision-making-proces. John Ralston Saul's Voltaires Bastards describes this very well. ..."
"... Because of natural selection (conformist people tend to choose similar people who resemble their own values and ways-of-thinking) organizations have a tendency to become homogeneous (especially the higher management/ranks). ..."
"... In combination with the "dumbing" of people (also of people who have a so-called good education (as described in Richard Sale's Sterile Chit-Chat ) this is a disastrous mix. ..."
"... That's true not only of the US military but of US elites in general across all of the spectra. And because that reality is at odds with the group-think of those within the various elements that make up the spectra it doesn't a hearing. Anyone who tries to bring it up risks being ejected from the group. ..."
"... "The United States spent at least $12 billion in Syria-related military and civilian expenses in the four years from 2014 through 2017, according to the former U.S. ambassador to the country. This $12 billion is in addition to the billions more spent to pursue regime change in Syria in the previous three years, after war broke out in 2011." https://goo.gl/8pj5cD ..."
"... "They are not stupid at all but they are a collective of narrow thinkers." I've often pondered that concept. Notice how many of radical extremist leaders were doctors, engineers and such? Narrow and deep. ..."
"... Long ago when I was a professor, I advised my students that "the law is like a pencil sharpener, it sharpens the mind by narrowing it." I tried to encourage them to "think backwards". ..."
"... Col, I think it might help people to think of "the Borg" - as you have defined & applied it - in a broader context. It struck me particularly as you ID'd the launching of our modern military group-think / careerism behavior coming from the watershed of industrialized scale & processes that came out of WWII. ..."
"... We note parallel themes in all significant sectors of our civilization. The ever-expanding security state, the many men in Gray Flannel Suits that inhabit corporate culture, Finance & Banking & Big Health scaling ever larger - all processes aimed to slice the salami thinner & quicker, to the point where meat is moot ... and so it goes. ..."
"... I just finished reading Command & Control (about nuclear weapons policy, systems design & accidents). I am amazed we've made it this far. ..."
The Borgist foreign policy of the administration has little to do with the generals. To comprehend the generals one must understand their collective mentality and the process that raised them on high as a collective
of their own. The post WW2 promotion process in the armed forces has produced a group at the top with a mentality that typically
thinks rigorously but not imaginatively or creatively.
These men got to their present ranks and positions by being conformist group thinkers who do not stray outside the "box" of
their guidance from on high. They actually have scheduled conference calls among themselves to make sure everyone is "on board."
If asked at the top, where military command and political interaction intersect, what policy should be they always ask for
more money and to be allowed to pursue outcomes that they can understand as victory and self fulfilling with regard to their collective
self image as warrior chieftains.
In Obama's time they were asked what policy should be in Afghanistan and persuaded him to reinforce their dreams in Afghanistan
no matter how unlikely it always was that a unified Western oriented nation could be made out of a collection of disparate mutually
alien peoples.
In Trump's time his essential disinterest in foreign policy has led to a massive delegation of authority to Mattis and the
leadership of the empire's forces. Their reaction to that is to look at their dimwitted guidance from on high (defeat IS, depose
Assad and the SAG, triumph in Afghanistan) and to seek to impose their considerable available force to seek accomplishment as they
see fit of this guidance in the absence of the kind of restrictions that Obama placed on them.
Like the brass, I, too, am a graduate of all those service schools that attend success from the Basic Course to the Army War
College. I will tell you again that the people at the top are not good at "the vision thing." They are not stupid at all but they
are a collective of narrow thinkers. pl
IMO, this conformism pervades all institutions. I saw when I worked in banking and finance many moons ago how moving up the
ranks in any large organization meant you didn't rock the boat and you conformed to the prevailing groupthink. Even nutty ideas
became respectable because they were expedient.
Academia reinforces the groupthink. The mavericks are shunned or ostracized. The only ones I have seen with some degree of
going against the grain are technology entrepreneurs.
You remind me of an old rumination by Thomas Ricks:
Take the example of General George Casey. According to David Cloud and Greg Jaffe's book Four Stars, General Casey, upon learning
of his assignment to command U.S. forces in Iraq, received a book from the Army Chief of Staff. The book Counterinsurgency Lessons
Learned from Malaya and Vietnam was the first book he ever read about guerilla warfare." This is a damning indictment of the degree
of mental preparation for combat by a general. The Army's reward for such lack of preparation: two more four star assignments.
"They are not stupid at all but they are a collective of narrow thinkers."
I have found this to be the case with 80 to 90% of most professions. A good memory and able to perform meticulously what they
have been taught, but little thinking outside that narrow box. Often annoying, but very dangerous in this case.
Since Afghanistan and the brass were mentioned in the editorial statement, here is an immodest question -- Where the brass have
been while the opium production has been risen dramatically in Afghanistan under the US occupation? "Heroin Addiction in America
Spearheaded by the US-led War on Afghanistan" by Paul Craig Roberts:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/02/06/heroin-addiction-america-spearheaded-us-led-war-afghanistan/
" in 2000-2001
the Taliban government –with the support of the United Nations (UNODC) – implemented a successful ban on poppy cultivation. Opium
production which is used to produce grade 4 heroin and its derivatives declined by more than 90 per cent in 2001. The production
of opium in 2001 was of the order of a meager 185 tons. It is worth noting that the UNODC congratulated the Taliban Government
for its successful opium eradication program. The Taliban government had contributed to literally destabilizing the multibillion
dollar Worldwide trade in heroin.
In 2017, the production of opium in Afghanistan under US military occupation reached 9000 metric tons. The production of opium
in Afghanistan registered a 49 fold increase since Washington's invasion. Afghanistan under US military occupation produces approximately
90% of the World's illegal supply of opium which is used to produce heroin. Who owns the airplanes and ships that transport heroin
from Afghanistan to the US? Who gets the profits?"
---A simple Q: What has been the role of the CENTCOM re the racket? Who has arranged the protection for the opium production
and for drug dealers? Roberts suggests that the production of opium in Afghanistan "finances the black operations of the CIA and
Western intelligence agencies." -- All while Awan brothers, Alperovitch and such tinker with the US national security?
There needs to be a 're-education' of the top, all of them need to be required to attend Green Beret think-school, in other
words they need to be forced to think outside the box, and to to think on their feet. They need to understand fluid situations
where things change at the drop of a hat, be able to dance the two-step and waltz at the same time. In other words they need to
be able to walk and chew gum and not trip over their shoe-laces.
By no means are they stupid, but you hit the nail on the head when you said 'narrow thinkers'. Their collective hive mentality
that has developed is not a good thing.
thanks pat... it seems like the usa has had a steady group of leaders that have no interest in the world outside of the usa, or
only in so far as they can exploit it for their own interest... maybe that sums up the foreign policy of the usa at this point...
you say trump is disinterested.. so all the blather from trump about 'why are we even in syria?', or 'why can't we be friends
with the russia?' is just smoke up everyone's ass...
i like what you said here "conformist group thinkers who do not stray outside the "box" of their guidance from on high. They
actually have scheduled conference calls among themselves to make sure everyone is "on board." - that strikes me as very true
- conformist group thinkers... the world needs less of these types and more actual leaders who have a vision for something out
of the box and not always on board... i thought for a while trump might fill this bill, but no such luck by the looks of it now..
As a young person in eighth grade, I learned about the "domino theory" in regard to attempts to slow the spread of communism.
Then my generation was, in a sense, fractured around the raging battles for and against our involvement in Vietnam.
I won't express my own opinion on that. But I mention it because it seems to be a type of "vision thing."
So, now I ask, what would be your vision for the Syrian situation?
Westmoreland certainly, Macarthur certainly not. This all started with the "industrialization" of the armed forces in WW2.
we never recovered the sense of profession as opposed to occupation after the massive expansion and retention of so many placeholders.
a whole new race of Walmart manager arose and persists. pl
The idea of the Domino Theory came from academia, not the generals of that time. They resisted the idea of a war in east Asia
until simply ordered into it by LBJ. After that their instinct for acting according to guidance kicked in and they became committed
to the task. Syria? Do you think I should write you an essay on that? SST has a large archive and a search machine. pl
I am talking about flag officers at present, not those beneath them from the mass of whom they emerge. There are exceptions.
Martin Dempsey may have been one such. The system creates such people at the top. pl
Your usual animosity for non-left wing authority is showing. A commander like the CENTCOM theater commander (look it up) operates
within guidance from Washington, broad guidance. Normally this is the president's guidance as developed in the NSC process. Some
presidents like Obama and LBJ intervene selectively and directly in the execution of that guidance. Obama had a "kill list" of
jihadis suggested by the IC and condemned by him to die in the GWOT. He approved individual missions against them. LBJ picked
individual air targets in NVN. Commanders in the field do not like that . They think that freedom of action within their guidance
should be accorded them. This CinC has not been interested thus far in the details and have given the whole military chain of
command wide discretion to carry out their guidance. pl
"I am not sure that I understand what makes a Borgist different from a military conformist." The Borg and the military leaders
are not of the same tribe. they are two different collectives who in the main dislike and distrust each other. pl
Anna. Their guidance does not include a high priority for eradicating the opium trade. Their guidance has to do with defeating
the jihadis and building up the central government. pl
Predictably there is always someone who says that this group is not different from all others. Unfortunately the military function
demands more than the level of mediocrity found in most groups. pl
Trump would like to better relations with Russia but that is pretty much the limit of his attention to foreign affairs
at any level more sophisticated than expecting deference. He is firmly focused on the economy and base solidifying issues like
immigration. pl
The medical profession comes to mind. GP's and specialists. Many of those working at the leading edge of research seem much wider
thinking and are not locked into the small box of what they have been taught.
Combat Applications Group and SEALS don't even begin to compare, they're not in the same league as 'real deal' GBs. The GBs are
thinkers as well as doers, whereas Combat Applications Group and SEALs all they know is breach and clear, breach and clear.
There is more to life than breach and clear. Having worked with all in one manner or another, I'll take GBs any day hands down. It makes a difference when the brain is
engaged instead of just the heel.
A lot of technology entrepreneurs--especially those active today--are stuck in their own groupthink, inflated by their sense that
they are born for greatness and can do no wrong.
The kind of grand schemes that the top people at Google, Uber, and Facebook think
up to remake the universe in their own idea of "good society" are frightening. That they are cleverer (but not necessarily wiser)
than the academics, borgists, or generals, I think, makes them even more dangerous.
They are indeed "narrow thinkers", but I think the problem runs deeper. They seem to be stuck in the rut of a past era. When
the US was indeed the paramount military power on the globe, and the US military reigned supreme. They can't seem to accept the
reality of the world as it is now.
Of course, these policies ensure that they continue to be well-funded, even if the US is bankrupting itself in the process.
They [the generals] seem to have deliberately completely ignored the issues and policy positions Trump ran on as President. It isn't a case of
ignorance but of wilful disregard.
I've been reading this blog for some time. My question was facetious and written with the understanding of your statement about
the generals not having a good grasp of "the vision thing" on their own.
So true and as others commented this is a sad feature of the human race and all human organizations. Herd mentality ties into
social learning. Chimps are on average more creative and have better short term memory than humans. We gave up some short term
memory in order to be able to learn quickly by mimicking. If shown how to open a puzzle box but also shown unnecessary extra steps
a chimp will ignore the empty steps and open the box with only the required steps. A human will copy what they saw exactly performing
the extra steps as if they have some unknown value to the process. Our massive cultural heritages are learned by observing and
taken in as a whole. This process works within organizations as well.
I suspect a small percentage of the human race functions differently than the majority and retains creative thinking and openness
along with more emphasis on cognitive thinking than social learning but generally they always face a battle when working to change
the group "consensus", i.e. Fulton's folly, scepticism on whether man would ever fly, etc.
One nice feature of the internet allows creative thinkers to connect and watch the idiocy of the world unfold around us.
"A natural desire to be part of the 'in crowd' could damage our ability to make the right decisions, a new study has shown."
The military by definition is a rigid hierarchical structure.
It could not function as a collection of individuals.
This society can only breed conforming narrow leaders as an "individual" would leave or be forced out.
That part of our brain responsible for the desire to be part of the 'in crowd' may affect our decision-making process, but it
is also the reason we keep chimps in zoos and not the other way around. Or, to put it another way; if chimps had invented Facebook,
I might consider them more creative than us.
This is an interesting discussion. The top in organisations (civil and military) are increasingly technocrats and thinking like systems managers. They are unable
to innovate because they lack the ability to think out of the box.
Usually there is a leader who depends on specialists. Others (including laymen) are often excluding from the decision-making-proces.
John Ralston Saul's Voltaires Bastards
describes this very well.
Because of natural selection (conformist people tend to choose similar people who resemble their own values and ways-of-thinking)
organizations have a tendency to become homogeneous (especially the higher management/ranks).
In combination with the "dumbing" of people (also of people who have a so-called good education (as described in Richard Sale's
Sterile Chit-Chat ) this is a disastrous
mix.
Homogeneity is the main culprit. A specialists tends to try to solve problems with the same knowledge-set that created these.
Not all (parts of) organizations and people suffer this fate. Innovations are usually done by laymen and not by specialists.
The organizations are often heterogeneous and the people a-typical and/or eccentric.
(mainly the analytical parts of ) intelligence organizations and investment banks are like that if they are worth anything.
Very heterogeneous with a lot of a-typical people. I think Green Berets are also like that. An open mind and genuine interest
in others (cultures, way of thinking, religion etc) is essential to understand and to perform and also to prevent costly mistakes
(in silver and/or blood).
It is possible to create firewalls against tunnel-vision. The
Jester performed such a role. Also think of the
Emperors New Clothes . The current trend
of people with limited vision and creativity prevents this. Criticism is punished with a lack of promotion, job-loss or even jail
(whistle-blowers)
IMO this is why up to a certain rank (colonel or middle management) a certain amount of creativity or alternative thinking
is allowed, but conformity is essential to rise higher.
I was very interested in the Colonel's remark on the foreign background of the GB in Vietnam. If you would like to expand on this
I would be much obliged? IMO GB are an example of a smart, learning, organization (in deed and not only in word as so many say
of themselves, but who usually are at best mediocre)
Would you then say that a rising military officer who does have the vision thing faces career impediments? If so, would you
say that the vision thing is lost (if it ever was there) at the highest ranks? In any case, the existence of even a few at the top, like Matthis or Shinseki is a blessing.
"When the US was indeed the paramount military power on the globe, and the US military reigned supreme. They can't seem to
accept the reality of the world as it is now."
That's true not only of the US military but of US elites in general across all of the spectra. And because that reality is at
odds with the group-think of those within the various elements that make up the spectra it doesn't a hearing. Anyone who tries
to bring it up risks being ejected from the group.
I forget an important part. I really miss an edit-button. Comment-boxes are like looking at something through a straw. Its easy
to miss the overview.
Innovations and significant new developments are usually made by laymen. IMO mainly because they have a fresh perspective without
being bothered by the (mainstream) knowledge that dominates an area of expertise.
By excluding the laymen errors will continue to be repeated. This can be avoided by using development/decision-making frameworks,
but these tend to become dogma (and thus become part of the problem)
Much better is allowing laymen and allowing a-typical people. Then listen to them carefully. Less rigid flexible and very valuable.
Apparently, according to the last US ambassador to Syria Mr. Ford, from 2014-17 US has spent 12 Billion on Regime change in Syria.
IMO, combinedly Iran and Russia so far, have spent far less in Syria than 12 billion by US alone, not considering the rest of
her so called coalition. This is a war of attrition, and US operations in wars, are usually far more expensive and longer than
anybody else's.
"The United States spent at least $12 billion in Syria-related military and civilian expenses in the four years from 2014 through
2017, according to the former U.S. ambassador to the country.
This $12 billion is in addition to the billions more spent to pursue regime change in Syria in the previous three years, after
war broke out in 2011." https://goo.gl/8pj5cD
It may "demand" it - but does it get it? Soldiers are just as human as everyone else.
I'm reminded of the staff sergeant with the sagging beer belly who informed me, "Stand up straight and look like a soldier..."
Or the First Sergeant who was so hung over one morning at inspection that he couldn't remember which direction he was going down
the hall to the next room to be inspected. I'm sure you have your own stories of less than competence.
It's a question of intelligence and imagination. And frankly, I don't see the military in any country receiving the "best and
brightest" of that country's population, by definition. The fact that someone is patriotic enough to enter the military over a
civilian occupation doesn't make them more intelligent or imaginative than the people who decided on the civilian occupation.
Granted, if you fail at accounting, you don't usually die. Death tends to focus the mind, as they say. Nonetheless, we're not
talking about the grunts at the level who actually die, still less the relatively limited number of Special Forces. We're talking
about the officers and staff at the levels who don't usually die in war - except maybe at their defeat - i.e., most officers over
the level of captain.
One can hardly look at this officer crowd in the Pentagon and CENTCOM and say that their personal death concentrates their
mind. They are in virtually no danger of that. Only career death faces them - with a nice transition to the board of General Dynamics
at ten times the salary.
All in all, I'd have to agree that the military isn't much better at being competent - at many levels above the obvious group
of hyper-trained Special Forces - any more than any other profession.
That is well put.most important is the grading system that is designed to fix a person to a particular slot thereby limiting his
ability to think "outside the box" and consider the many variables that exist in one particular instant.
Creative thinking allows
you to see beyond the storm clouds ahead and realize that the connectedness of different realities both the visible and invisible.
For
instance the picture of the 2 pairs of korean skaters in the news tells an interesting story on many levels. Some will judge them
on their grade of proffiency, while others will see a dance of strategy between 2 foes and a few will know the results in advance
and plan accordingly
"They are not stupid at all but they are a collective of narrow thinkers." I've often pondered that concept. Notice how many of radical extremist leaders were doctors, engineers and such? Narrow and
deep. STEM is enormously useful to us but seems to be a risky when implanted in shallow earth.
These narrow "but deep" thinkers were unable to grasp the nature of the Iraq War for the first couple of years. They thought
of it as a rear area security problem, a combat in cities problem, anything but a popular rebellion based on xenophobia and anti-colonialism
The IED problem? They spent several billion dollars on trying to find a technology fix and never succeeded. I know because they
kept asking me to explain the war to them and then could not understand the answers which were outside their narrow thought. pl
War College selectees, the national board selected creme de la creme test out as 50% SJs (conformists lacking vision) in Myers-Briggs
terms and about 15% NTs (intellectuals). To survive and move upward in a system dominated by SJs, the NTs must pretend to be what
they are not. A few succeed. I do not think Mattis is an intellectual merely because he has read a lot. pl
Long ago when I was a professor, I advised my students that "the law is like a pencil sharpener, it sharpens the mind by narrowing
it."
I tried to encourage them to "think backwards".
My favorite example was a Japanese fisherman who recovered valuable ancient Chinese
pottery. Everyone knew where an ancient ship had sunk, but the water was too deep to dive down to the wreck. And everyone knew
the cargo included these valuable vases. And the fisherman was the first to figure out how to recover them. He attached a line
to an octopus, and lowered it in the area, waited awhile, and pulled it up. Low and behold, the octopus had hidden in an ancient
Chinese vase. The fisherman was familiar with trapping octopuses, by lowering a ceramic pot (called "takosubo") into the ocean,
waiting awhile, then raising the vase with octopus inside. His brilliance was to think backwards, and use an octopus to catch
a vase.
the original GBS were recruited in the 50s to serve in the OSS role with foreign guerrillas behind Soviet lines in th event
of war in Europe. Aaron Bank, the founder, recruited several hundred experienced foreign soldiers from the likely countries who
wanted to become American. By the time we were in VN these men were a small fraction of GBs but important for their expertise
and professionalism. pl
Col, I think it might help people to think of "the Borg" - as you have defined & applied it - in a broader context. It struck
me particularly as you ID'd the launching of our modern military group-think / careerism behavior coming from the watershed of
industrialized scale & processes that came out of WWII.
We note parallel themes in all significant sectors of our civilization.
The ever-expanding security state, the many men in Gray Flannel Suits that inhabit corporate culture, Finance & Banking & Big
Health scaling ever larger - all processes aimed to slice the salami thinner & quicker, to the point where meat is moot ... and
so it goes.
I note many Borgs... Borgism if you will. An organizational behavior that has emerged out of human nature having difficulty adapting
to rapidly accelerating complexity that is just too hard to apprehend in a few generations. If (as many commenters on STT seem
to...) one wishes to view this in an ideological or spiritual framework only, they may overlook an important truth - that what
we are experiencing is a Battle Among Borgs for control over their own space & domination over the other Borgs. How else would
we expect any competitive, powerful interest group to act?
In gov & industry these days, we observe some pretty wild outliers... attached to some wild outcomes. Thus the boring behavior
of our political industries bringing forth Trump, our promethean technology sector yielding a Musk (& yes, a Zuckerberg).
I find it hard to take very seriously analysts that define their perspective based primarily upon their superior ideals & opposition
to others. Isn't every person, every tribe, team or enterprise a borglet-in-becoming? Everybody Wants to Rule the World ... &
Everybody Must Get Stoned... messages about how we are grappling with complexity in our times. I just finished reading Command
& Control (about nuclear weapons policy, systems design & accidents). I am amazed we've made it this far.
Unfortunately, I would
not be amazed if reckless, feckless leaders changed the status quo. I was particularly alarmed hearing Trump in his projection
mode; "I would love to be able to bring back our country into a great form of unity, without a major event where people pull together,
that's hard to do.
But I would like to do it without that major event because usually that major event is not a good thing." It
strikes me that he could be exceptionally willing to risk a Major Event if he felt a form of unity, or self-preservation, was
in the offing. I pray (& I do not pray often or easily) that the Generals you have described have enough heart & guts to honor
their oath at its most profound level in the event of an Event.
As a time traveler from another age, I can only say that for me it means devotion to a set of mores peculiar to a particular
profession as opposed to an occupation. pl
Another springs to mind: James Lovelock (of Gaia hypothesis fame) was once part of the NASA team building the first probe to
go to Mars to look for signs of life. Lovelock didn't make any friends when he told NASA they were wasting their time, there was
none. When asked how he could be so sure, he explained that the composition of the Martian atmosphere made it impossible. "But
Martian life may be able to survive under different conditions" was the retort. Lovelock then went on to explain his view that
the evolution of microbial life determined the atmospheric composition on Earth, so should be expected to do the same if
life had evolved on Mars. Brilliant backwards thinking which ought to have earned him the Nobel prize IMHO (for Gaia). Lovelock,
a classic cross-disciplinary scientist, can't be rewarded with such a box-categorized honor, as his idea doesn't fit well into
any one.
Another example of cross-disciplinary brilliance was Bitcoin, which has as much to do with its creator's deep knowledge of
Anthropology (why people invented & use money) as his expertise in both Economics and Computer Science.
This is they key to creative thinking in my view - familiarity with different fields yields deeper insights.
"... Walmart employs 1.4 million Americans. The military employs 1.3 million active duty soldiers. That's a problem. Peace can't be allowed to break out. And the best way to insure that it doesn't is to kill the minimum number of people and export the maximum number of arms to keep people fighting with each other around the world. ..."
Walmart employs 1.4 million Americans. The military employs 1.3 million active duty
soldiers. That's a problem. Peace can't be allowed to break out. And the best way to insure
that it doesn't is to kill the minimum number of people and export the maximum number of arms
to keep people fighting with each other around the world.
That is all about as far as conceivable away from any notion of a professional
soldier.
How do you stop this? Who will employ those 1.3 million... 1.3 million who have been
brainwashed about "terrorism", "communism", "democracy", "muslims", etc. etc. etc.?
Particularly in the context of the tsunami of social change that is about to hit with the
advent of real artificial intelligence. Doctors? Their jobs are on the line and I suspect
they don't know it. Lawyers? Even worse.
The following article was the start of an epochal change in medicine:
Lasko TA, Denny JC, Levy MA (2013) Computational Phenotype Discovery Using Unsupervised
Feature Learning over Noisy, Sparse, and Irregular Clinical Data. PLoS ONE 8(6): e66341.
doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0066341
I guess I should add, although it should be obvious, that the one thing that absolutely
cannot under any circumstances be allowed to happen is real war. Then you have to figure out
how to employ both the soldiers and the Walmart employees. Those that are still alive. And of
course if you look at the behavior of the U.S. in Syria you see that we are about as
interested in real war as we are in the arts.
"... On Strategy : A Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War, ..."
"... In his own work, Summers marginalized all Vietnamese actors (as would so many later military historians), failed to adequately deal with the potential consequences, nuclear or otherwise, of the sorts of escalation he advocated, and didn't even bother to ask whether Vietnam was a core national security interest of the United States. ..."
"... A more sophisticated Clausewitzian analysis came from current National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster in a highly acclaimed 1997 book, Dereliction of Duty ..."
"... McMaster is a genuine scholar and a gifted writer, but he still suggested that the Joint Chiefs should have advocated for a more aggressive offensive strategy -- a full ground invasion of the North or unrelenting carpet-bombing of that country. In this sense, he was just another "go-big" Clausewitzian who, as historian Ronald Spector pointed out recently, ignored Vietnamese views and failed to acknowledge -- an observation of historian Edward Miller -- that "the Vietnam War was a Vietnamese war." ..."
"... The Army and Vietnam ..."
"... Foreign Affairs ..."
"... New York Times ..."
"... A Better War : The Unexamined Victories and Final Tragedy of America's Last Years in Vietnam ..."
"... Washington Post ..."
"... The Daily Show with Jon Stewart ..."
"... Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife : Counterinsurgency Lessons from Malaya and Vietnam ..."
"... Wall Street Journal ..."
"... David Petraeus and current Secretary of Defense James Mattis, co-authors in 2006 of FM 3-24, the first ( New York Times ..."
"... On Strategy ..."
"... Dereliction of Duty ..."
"... The Army and Vietnam ..."
"... Most of the generals leading the war on terror just missed service in the Vietnam War. They graduated from various colleges or West Point in the years immediately following the withdrawal of most U.S. ground troops or thereafter: Petraeus in 1974 , future Afghan War commander Stanley McChrystal in 1976 , and present National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster in 1984 . Secretary of Defense Mattis finished ROTC and graduated from Central Washington University in 1971 , while Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly enlisted at the tail end of the Vietnam War, receiving his commission in 1976 . ..."
"... Petraeus, Mattis, McMaster, and the others entered service when military prestige had reached a nadir or was just rebounding. And those reading lists taught the young officers where to lay the blame for that -- on civilians in Washington (or in the nation's streets) or on a military high command too weak to assert its authority effectively. They would serve in Vietnam's shadow, the shadow of defeat, and the conclusions they would draw from it would only lead to twenty-first-century disasters ..."
"... Meanwhile, President Trump's hearts-and-minds faction consists of officers who have spent three administrations expanding COIN-influenced missions to approximately 70% of the world's nations. Furthermore, they've recently fought for and been granted a new "mini-surge" in Afghanistan intended to -- in disturbingly Vietnam-esque language -- "break the deadlock ," "reverse the decline," and "end the stalemate " there. Never mind that neither 100,000 U.S. troops (when I was there in 2011) nor 16 full years of combat could, in the term of the trade, "stabilize" Afghanistan. The can-do, revisionist believers atop the national security state have convinced Trump that -- despite his original instincts -- 4,000 or 5,000 (or 6,000 or 7,000) more troops (and yet more drones , planes , and other equipment) will do the trick. This represents tragedy bordering on farce. ..."
"... The hearts and minders and Clausewitzians atop the military establishment since 9/11 are never likely to stop citing their versions of the Vietnam War as the key to victory today; that is, they will never stop focusing on a war that was always unwinnable and never worth fighting. None of today's acclaimed military personalities seems willing to consider that Washington couldn't have won in Vietnam because, as former Air Force Chief of Staff Merrill McPeak (who flew 269 combat missions over that country) noted in the recent Ken Burns documentary series, "we were fighting on the wrong side." ..."
"... Today's leaders don't even pretend that the post-9/11 wars will ever end. In an interview last June, Petraeus -- still considered a sagacious guru of the Defense establishment -- disturbingly described the Afghan conflict as " generational ." ..."
"... Vietnam lost in the end. Its greedy corrupt elites are now puppets of US. They allow open prostitution in Ho Chi Minh city. They allow Vietnamese women to be a bunch of hookers again. ..."
"... "America tends to gain from commerce what it thinks it will get by warfare. Not so much the other way around" Rather like 20th century Germany, don't you think? ..."
"... The Vietnam war killed the draft. The draft is involuntary servitude, slavery in a sense. For ordinary Americans this was the only positive thing to come from the war. ..."
"... Ultimately, the victory of WW2 due to sheer weight of industrial productivity ramp and hence massive output of planes, tanks, submarines, etc. made defense a large part of the US economy. Since that time, too many entrenched interests just never want the military to downsize. Hence, the US has to keep invented new demand for a product that otherwise would not have such demand, but keeps some major entrenched interests powerful. ..."
"... The BIGGEST lesson to come out of the illegal and immoral War against Vietnam is that the draft was impeding the MIC's effort to sell Americans on the idea of supporting endless war. ..."
"... The same generals who let 911 happen and started the Iraq war still run the show. All of them should have faced a firing squad for that, but instead, the grossly incompetent General Kelly runs the White House and the grossly incompetent Mattis runs the military. ..."
"... The warhawk imperialists – some of them Clausewtizians and most COINdinistas – rule everything. No matter how many lives are lost, no matter how much money is wasted, they demand we remain on the same path of playing world hegemon. George Washington fought the British Empire for our freedom, so our subsequent leaders, starting most importantly with Lincoln, could remake the country into the British Empire 2.0. ..."
"... No; it's psychotic, psychopathic mayhem and mass-murder. Lemma: At any crime-scene, there are one or more perpetrators, possibly accessories, apologists and/or 'idle' bystanders. It is incumbent upon *all* witnesses to attempt to a) restrain malefactors and where possible b) rescue victims from harm. *All* present and not in active resistance to the crime attract proportional guilt. Addendum: Any person profiting from crime also makes him/herself an accessory, like all residents in the 'illegitimate entity' and/or the puppet executives, manufacturers of the means and their enablers = the whole MIC[*] plus all their dependents, say. ..."
"... The US rogue regime = US-M/I/C/4a†-plex, with dog-wagging-tail, its illegitimate sprog the Zionist/Israeli rogue regime + Js = I/J/Z-plex, all components rife with corruption. ..."
"... Save the BS for your fellow geezer drunks at the VFW lounge. Vietnam featured a complete collapse of the conscripted US military, rampant drug use, fragging, insubordination, faked injuries, disintegration of the chain of command, mass murder of civilians, and finally TOTAL DEFEAT after turning tail and running following the negotiation of a charitable "decent interval" allowing the yanks to save some face. Pathetic. ..."
"... Wars fought to make countries like Vietnam open to big corporations to move American jobs there. Corporate money backed by the fist of the Marines has worked all their lives, all their parents' lives, and all the modern history of America. "Why not now?", the sheep ask. ..."
"... According to Bobbie McNamara, American efforts resulted in the murder of over 4 million Vietnamese and the maiming of millions of others .MOSTLY CIVILIANS. ..."
"... If the war mongers had had an all-volunteer army like the one they have today, they could have and would have kept the Vietnam War going indefinitely. But, since they didn't, draftees and their parents wised-up to the Pentagon's money-making scam and put a stop to it by refusing to participate. ..."
"... Very rich families and corporatists started their own think tanks after World War II. This is when the looting began for RAND. These are the bastards Eisenhower was afraid of. Abe Lincoln feared the large corporations born of business profiteering during the U.S. Civil War -- the military industrial complex of the day -- easily constituted the greatest threat to the American republic. ..."
"... Remember that Eisenhower's definition of the complex included among the bastards, not only the military defense industry corporations, but also right alongside them the news media and the university and private research establishments. ..."
"... That war was a cluster fuck and a crime against humanity. It's only purpose was to make a few rich men richer. The murder and destruction in the MENA is just more of the same. ..."
Vietnam: it's always there. Looming in the past, informing American futures.
A 50-year-old war, once labeled the longest in our history, is still alive and well and
still being refought by one group of Americans: the military high command. And almost half a
century later, they're still losing it and blaming others for doing so.
Of course, the U.S. military and Washington policymakers lost the war in Vietnam in the
previous century and perhaps it's well that they did. The United States really had no business
intervening in that anti-colonial civil war in the first place, supporting a South Vietnamese
government of questionable legitimacy, and stifling promised nationwide elections on both sides
of that country's artificial border. In doing so, Washington presented an easy villain for a
North Vietnamese-backed National Liberation Front (NLF) insurgency, a group known to Americans
in those years as the Vietcong.
More than two decades of involvement and, at the war's peak, half a million American troops
never altered the basic weakness of the U.S.-backed regime in Saigon. Despite millions of Asian
deaths and 58,000 American ones, South Vietnam's military could not, in the end, hold the line
without American support and finally collapsed under the weight of a conventional North
Vietnamese invasion in April 1975.
There's just one thing. Though a majority of historians (known in academia as the "orthodox"
school) subscribe to the basic contours of the above narrative, the vast majority of senior
American military officers do not. Instead, they're still refighting the Vietnam War to a far
cheerier outcome through the books they read, the scholarship they publish, and (most
disturbingly) the policies they continue to pursue in the Greater Middle East.
The Big Re-Write
In 1986, future general, Iraq-Afghan War commander, and CIA director David Petraeus penned
an article
for the military journal Parameters that summarized his Princeton doctoral
dissertation on the Vietnam War. It was a piece commensurate with then-Major Petraeus's
impressive intellect, except for its disastrous conclusions on the lessons of that war. Though
he did observe that Vietnam had "cost
the military dearly" and that "the frustrations of Vietnam are deeply etched in the minds of
those who lead the services," his real fear was that the war had left the military unprepared
to wage what were then called "low-intensity conflicts" and are now known as
counterinsurgencies. His takeaway: what the country needed wasn't less Vietnams but
better-fought ones. The next time, he concluded fatefully, the military should do a far better
job of implementing counterinsurgency forces, equipment, tactics, and doctrine to win such
wars.
Two decades later, when the next Vietnam-like quagmire did indeed present itself in Iraq, he
and a whole generation of COINdinistas (like-minded officers
devoted to his favored counterinsurgency approach to modern warfare) embraced those very
conclusions to win the war on terror. The names of some of them -- H.R. McMaster and James
Mattis, for instance -- should ring a bell or two these days. In Iraq and later in Afghanistan,
Petraeus and his acolytes would get their chance to translate theory into practice. Americans
-- and much of the rest of the planet -- still live with the results.
Like Petraeus, an entire generation of senior military leaders, commissioned in the years
after the Vietnam War and now atop the defense behemoth, remain fixated on that ancient
conflict. After all these decades, such "thinking" generals and "soldier-scholars" continue to
draw all the wrong lessons from what, thanks in part to them, has now become America's
second longest war.
Rival Schools
Historian Gary Hess identifies two main schools
of revisionist thinking.
Both schools, however, agreed on something basic: that the U.S. military should have won in
Vietnam.
The danger presented by either school is clear enough in the twenty-first century. Senior
commanders, some now serving in key national security positions, fixated on Vietnam, have
translated that conflict's supposed lessons into what now passes for military strategy in
Washington. The
result has been an ever-expanding war on terror campaign waged ceaselessly from South Asia
to West Africa, which has essentially turned out to be perpetual war based on the can-do belief
that counterinsurgency and advise-and-assist missions should have worked in Vietnam and can
work now.
The Go-Big Option
The leading voice of the Clausewitzian school was U.S. Army Colonel and Korean War/Vietnam
War vet Harry Summers, whose 1982 book, On Strategy : A
Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War, became an instant classic within the military. It's
easy enough to understand why. Summers argued that civilian policymakers -- not the military
rank-and-file -- had lost the war by focusing hopelessly on the insurgency in South Vietnam
rather than on the North Vietnamese capital, Hanoi. More troops, more aggressiveness, even
full-scale invasions of communist safe havens in Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam, would have
led to victory.
Summers had a deep emotional investment in his topic.
Later , he would argue that the source of post-war pessimistic analyses of the conflict lay
in "draft dodgers and war evaders still [struggling] with their consciences." In his own
work, Summers marginalized all Vietnamese actors (as would so many later military historians),
failed to adequately deal with the potential consequences, nuclear or otherwise, of the sorts
of escalation he advocated, and didn't even bother to ask whether Vietnam was a core national
security interest of the United States.
Perhaps he would have done well to reconsider a famous post-war
encounter he had with a North Vietnamese officer, a Colonel Tu, whom he assured that "you
know you never beat us on the battlefield." "That may be so," replied his former enemy, "but it
is also irrelevant."
Whatever its limitations, his work remains influential in military circles to this day. (I
was assigned the book as a West Point cadet!)
A more sophisticated Clausewitzian analysis came from current National Security Adviser
H.R. McMaster in a highly acclaimed 1997 book, Dereliction of
Duty . He argued that the Joint Chiefs of Staff were derelict in failing to give
President Lyndon Johnson an honest appraisal of what it would take to win, which meant that
"the nation went to war without the benefit of effective military advice." He concluded that
the war was lost not in the field or by the media or even on antiwar college campuses, but in
Washington, D.C., through a failure of nerve by the Pentagon's generals, which led civilian
officials to opt for a deficient strategy.
McMaster is a genuine scholar and a gifted writer, but he still suggested that the Joint
Chiefs should have advocated for a more aggressive offensive strategy -- a full ground invasion
of the North or unrelenting carpet-bombing of that country. In this sense, he was just another
"go-big" Clausewitzian who, as historian Ronald Spector pointed
out recently, ignored Vietnamese views and failed to acknowledge -- an observation
of historian Edward Miller -- that "the Vietnam War was a Vietnamese war."
COIN: A Small (Forever) War
Another Vietnam veteran, retired Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Krepinevich, fired the opening
salvo for the hearts-and-minders. In The Army and Vietnam , published in 1986, he
argued
that the NLF, not the North Vietnamese Army, was the enemy's chief center of gravity and that
the American military's failure to emphasize counterinsurgency principles over conventional
concepts of war sealed its fate. While such arguments were, in reality, no more
impressive than those of the Clausewitzians, they have remained popular with military
audiences, as historian Dale Andrade points
out , because they offer a "simple explanation for the defeat in Vietnam."
Krepinevich would write an influential 2005 Foreign Affairspiece , "How to Win
in Iraq," in which he applied his Vietnam conclusions to a new strategy of prolonged
counterinsurgency in the Middle East, quickly winning over the New
York Times 's resident conservative columnist, David Brooks, and generating "discussion in
the Pentagon, CIA, American Embassy in Baghdad, and the office of the vice president."
In 1999, retired army officer and Vietnam veteran Lewis Sorley penned the definitive
hearts-and-minds tract, A Better War : The
Unexamined Victories and Final Tragedy of America's Last Years in Vietnam . Sorley boldly
asserted
that, by the spring of 1970, "the fighting wasn't over, but the war was won." According to his
comforting tale, the real explanation for failure lay with the "big-war" strategy of U.S.
commander General William Westmoreland. The counterinsurgency strategy of his successor,
General Creighton Abrams -- Sorley's knight in shining armor -- was (or at least should have
been) a war winner.
Critics
noted that Sorley overemphasized the marginal differences between the two generals'
strategies and produced a remarkably counterfactual work. It didn't matter, however. By 2005,
just as the situation in Iraq, a country then locked in a sectarian civil war amid an American
occupation, went from bad to worse, Sorley's book found
its way into the hands of the head of U.S. Central Command, General John Abizaid, and State
Department counselor Philip Zelikow. By then, according
to the Washington Post 's David Ignatius, it could also "be found on the
bookshelves of senior military officers in Baghdad."
Another influential hearts-and-minds devotee was Lieutenant Colonel John Nagl. (He even
made it
onto The Daily Show with Jon Stewart .) His Learning to Eat Soup with
a Knife : Counterinsurgency Lessons from Malaya and Vietnam followed Krepinevich in
claiming that "if [Creighton] Abrams had gotten the call to lead the American effort at the
start of the war, America might very well have won it." In 2006, the Wall Street
Journalreported that Army Chief of Staff
General Peter Schoomaker "so liked [Nagl's] book that he made it required reading for all
four-star generals," while the Iraq War commander of that moment, General George Casey, gave
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld a copy during a visit to Baghdad.
David Petraeus and current Secretary of Defense James Mattis, co-authors in 2006 of
FM 3-24, the first ( New York Times -reviewed ) military field manual for counterinsurgency since
Vietnam, must also be considered among the pantheon of hearts-and-minders. Nagl wrote a
foreword for their manual,
while Krepinevich provided a glowing back-cover endorsement .
Such revisionist interpretations would prove tragic in Iraq and Afghanistan, once they had
filtered down to the entire officer corps.
Reading All the Wrong Books
In 2009, when former West Point history professor Colonel Gregory Daddis was deployed
to Iraq as the command historian for the Multinational Corps -- the military's primary tactical
headquarters -- he noted that corps commander Lieutenant General Charles Jacoby had assigned a
professional reading list to his principal subordinates. To his disappointment, Daddis also
discovered that the only Vietnam War book included was Sorley's A Better War . This
should have surprised no one, since his argument -- that American soldiers in Vietnam
were
denied an impending victory by civilian policymakers, a liberal media, and antiwar protestors
-- was still resonant among the officer corps in year six of the Iraq quagmire. It wasn't the
military's fault!
Officers have long distributed professional reading lists for subordinates, intellectual
guideposts to the complex challenges ahead. Indeed, there's much to be admired in the concept,
but also potential dangers in such lists as they inevitably influence the thinking of an entire
generation of future leaders. In the case of Vietnam, the perils are obvious. The generals have
been assigning and reading problematic books for years, works that were essentially meant to
reinforce professional pride in the midst of a series of unsuccessful and unending wars.
Just after 9/11, for instance, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Richard Myers -- who spoke at my
West Point graduation -- included Summers's On
Strategy on his list. A few years later, then-Army Chief of Staff General Peter Schoomaker
added
McMaster's Dereliction of Duty . The trend continues today. Marine Corps Commandant
Robert Neller has kept McMaster and added Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger (he of the
illegal bombing of both Laos and Cambodia and war
criminal fame). Current Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley kept Kissinger and
added good
old Lewis Sorley. To top it all off, Secretary of Defense Mattis has included
yet another Kissinger book and, in a different list , Krepinevich's
The Army and Vietnam .
Just as important as which books made the lists is what's missing from them: none of these
senior commanders include newer scholarship
,
novels , or journalistic accounts which might raise thorny, uncomfortable questions about
whether the Vietnam War was winnable, necessary, or advisable, or incorporate local voices that
might highlight the limits of American influence and power.
Serving in the Shadow of Vietnam
Most of the generals leading the war on terror just missed service in the Vietnam War.
They graduated from various colleges or West Point in the years immediately following the
withdrawal of most U.S. ground troops or thereafter: Petraeus in
1974 , future Afghan War commander Stanley McChrystal in 1976 , and present National Security Adviser H.R.
McMaster in 1984 .
Secretary of Defense Mattis finished ROTC and graduated from Central Washington University in
1971 , while
Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly enlisted at the tail end of the Vietnam War, receiving his
commission in 1976
.
In other words, the generation of officers now overseeing the still-spreading war on terror
entered military service at the end of or after the tragic war in Southeast Asia. That meant
they narrowly escaped combat duty in the bloodiest American conflict since World War II and so
the professional credibility that went with it. They were mentored and taught by academy
tactical officers, ROTC instructors, and commanders who had cut their teeth on that conflict.
Vietnam literally dominated the discourse of their era -- and it's never ended.
Petraeus, Mattis, McMaster, and the others entered service when military prestige had
reached a nadir or was just rebounding. And those reading lists taught the young officers where
to lay the blame for that -- on civilians in Washington (or in the nation's streets) or on a
military high command too weak to assert its authority effectively. They would serve in
Vietnam's shadow, the shadow of defeat, and the conclusions they would draw from it would only
lead to twenty-first-century disasters .
From Vietnam to the War on Terror to Generational War
All of this misremembering, all of those Vietnam "lessons" inform the U.S. military's
ongoing "surges" and "advise-and-assist" approaches to its wars in the Greater Middle East and
Africa. Representatives of both Vietnam revisionist schools now guide the development of the
Trump administration's version of global strategy. President Trump's in-house Clausewitzians
clamor for -- and receive
-- ever more delegated authority to do their damnedest and what retired General (and Vietnam
vet) Edward Meyer called for
back in 1983: "a freer hand in waging war than they had in Vietnam." In other words, more
bombs, more troops, and carte blanche to escalate such conflicts to their hearts' content.
Meanwhile, President Trump's hearts-and-minds faction consists of officers who have
spent three administrations expanding COIN-influenced missions to approximately 70%
of the world's nations. Furthermore, they've recently fought for and been granted a new
"mini-surge" in Afghanistan intended to -- in disturbingly Vietnam-esque language -- "break the
deadlock ," "reverse the decline," and "end the
stalemate " there. Never mind that neither 100,000 U.S. troops (when I was
there in 2011) nor 16 full years of combat could, in the term of the trade, "stabilize"
Afghanistan. The can-do, revisionist believers atop the national security state have convinced
Trump that -- despite his original
instincts -- 4,000 or 5,000 (or
6,000 or 7,000) more troops (and yet more
drones ,
planes , and other equipment) will do the trick. This represents tragedy bordering on
farce.
The hearts and minders and Clausewitzians atop the military establishment since 9/11 are
never likely to stop citing their versions of the Vietnam War as the key to victory today; that
is, they will never stop focusing on a war that was always unwinnable and never worth fighting.
None of today's acclaimed military personalities seems willing to consider that Washington
couldn't have won in Vietnam because, as former Air Force Chief of Staff Merrill McPeak (who
flew
269 combat missions over that country) noted in the
recent Ken Burns documentary series, "we were fighting on the wrong side."
Today's leaders don't even pretend that the post-9/11 wars will ever end. In an
interview last June, Petraeus -- still considered a sagacious guru of the Defense establishment
-- disturbingly described the Afghan conflict as " generational ."
Eerily enough, to cite a Vietnam-era precedent, General Creighton Abrams predicted something
similar. speaking to the White House as the war in Southeast Asia was winding down. Even as
President Richard Nixon slowly withdrew U.S. forces, handing over their duties to the South
Vietnamese Army (ARVN) -- a process known then as "Vietnamization" -- the general warned
that, despite ARVN improvements, continued U.S. support "would be required indefinitely to
maintain an effective force." Vietnam, too, had its "generational" side (until, of course, it
didn't).
It's not that our generals don't read. They do. They just doggedly continue to read the
wrong books.
In 1986, General Petraeus ended his influential Parametersarticle
with a quote from historian George Herring: "Each historical situation is unique and the use of
analogy is at best misleading, at worst, dangerous." When it comes to Vietnam and a cohort of
officers shaped in its shadow (and even now convinced it could have been won), "dangerous"
hardly describes the results. They've helped bring us generational war and, for today's young
soldiers, ceaseless tragedy.
[Note: The views expressed in this article are those of the author, expressed in an
unofficial capacity, and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of
the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. government.]
The book that needs to be written is the one that explores the question, "Does this war need
to be fought by us?"
The guys running the show now were mid-grade officers when I served in the '80s. They know
we already were waging a war on terror, but it was a quiet one, e.g "low-intensity conflict,"
the kind that doesn't pump up budgets or put lots of ribbons and badges on the chests of more
than a few of them, much less punch the ticket for promotion.
The problem here is one of governance: Civilians who should be reigning in and questioning
the military leadership (including the senior civilian leadership at DoD and apparently
State) when it wants to take us on yet another foreign adventure seem instead to be be
captive to them, because the spoils of war accrue to their benefit via procurement in their
districts.
Vietnam and the GWOT are merely symptoms of a bigger problem.
BTW, re Vietnam: Vietnam went through its Communist phase, but in a rather short time came
back to pseudo-capitalism, much like China, so aside from nearly 60k US troops and a few
million Viets killed and 20 years of lost time, what did we gain from fighting there?
America tends to gain from commerce what it thinks it will get by warfare. Not so much the
other way around.
Didn't US realize that it can win any war with bribes and trade?
Vietnam lost in the end. Its greedy corrupt elites are now puppets of US. They allow
open prostitution in Ho Chi Minh city. They allow Vietnamese women to be a bunch of hookers
again.
And Vietnam even has homo parades because it comes with more gibs and bribes.
They established a myth that we almost won in Vietnam but the politicians wouldn't let us
finish the job, claiming we never lost a battle in Vietnam. That is false, so I posted a list
of 104 "Lost Battles of the Vietnam War" that squashed this myth.
"America tends to gain from commerce what it thinks it will get by warfare. Not so
much the other way around" Rather like 20th century Germany, don't you think?
Thanks for that link. I agree, whitewashing those tragedies is a grave disservice to our
soldiers who had to fight in those conditions (how are we supposed to learn from our mistakes
if we can't even come to terms with what we did wrong?).
No the JCS initially said SE Asia was strategically a backwater and not worth the
concentrating of America's limited resources. But military high command were operating within
longstanding army protocols of subordinating the military to civilian policymakers. It was
the CIA's job to say whether the war could be won and they were always skeptical.
America's Rasputin: Walt Rostow and the Vietnam War makes clear who was responsible for
pressing for escalation and bombing in Vietnam, who was the optimist, and who continued to
insisted after it had finished that the war had stabilized a domino.
If one's fundamental image of the world is as a place full of Quislings, McCains and assorted
dual nationals; then it follows that one will be militarily a Coindinista. If only third
world citizens were like American pols and stayed bought, but they aren't and they don't. If
one's fundamental image is that it is a world full of nationalists, patriots and Churchills:
then the bomb them back to non-existence; then it follows that one is a Summer's soldier.
Unfortunately, if one wishes to debate other nuanced alternatives to this dichotomy; the
enemy gets to shoot first. A policeman walks a beat in his city because he is paid to do it,
the "world's indispensable policeman" is unnecessary to the rest of the world but inevitable
to himself.
The Vietnam war killed the draft. The draft is involuntary servitude, slavery in a sense.
For ordinary Americans this was the only positive thing to come from the war.
Blah blah blah. That war was a cluster fuck and a crime against humanity. It's only purpose
was to make a few rich men richer. The murder and destruction in the MENA is just more of the
same.
It's also weird that the idea of Vietnam War as a missionary conflict is never discussed. The
colonial Vietnam & later South Vietnam government gave preference to christians in
governmental positions, bureaucracy & had a monopoly on education. The prevailing
narrative in the west, is that somehow christianity is better & that people flock to it
due to this, just like their ancestors did. Mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html
For example, the anti Buddhist discriminatory laws in Korea are never discussed, neither
is the flooding of Japan with bibles post ww2. In the present age you have missionaries
following closely behind the USA army & organizations like the US council on religious
freedom being headed by missionaries sic. soul vultures.
From that pov, if white nationalists cannot control the predatory instincts of 'their'
people nor disavow them by becoming Pagan; then, they deserve their fate & should expect
no support from outsiders. As others have remarked, tariffs & protectionism help accrue
capital as do socially conservative views. The pushing of free trade & social liberalism
on 2nd/3rd world countries is akin to kicking the ladder. It's probably in everyone's
interest for the Protestant west to collapse under Afro-Islamic demographic pressure so the
great clean up can begin. Tldr yes state power leads to liberalism & liberal views but,
if you view that as the legacy of your people, fuck your people.
we are deeply at odds. We did not lose the Vietnam conflict. I am confident that billions
of dollars have been spent drilling that myth into the minds of well everyone. I remember
being a young poli-sci student in KS. And as I listened to the lecture on Vietnam, did the
reading my conclusion was so distant from his as to cause me no small amount of turmoil. The
contention that we lost Vietnam is so counter to the data -- it makes the Twilight Zone look
like Gilligan's Island, the twists on reality are directionless -- but conclude we lost, when
nothing could be further from the truth.
I have another theory, the reason that Vietnam remains etched in the psyche is because the
analysis was political as opposed to what actually occurred. This kind of hyperventilated
self flagellating recriminations will distort truth. Perception over reality -- then becomes
self fulling history.
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But to the point. The US has lost two wars: The war of 1812 and in my view, the Iraq
conflict -- no direct fault of those on the ground doing the fighting. And we may lose the
Afghanistan gambit. It's a loss because it fell apart during our occupation. The guerrilla
warfare (asymmetrics) was not the issues for that failure. The failure was in
1. unjustifiable cause
2. poor implementation
3. under resourced
4. an inability to maintain order among communities -- (1-3)
5. and just a lot of bad decisions
Trying compare Vietnam to Iraq is like trying compare a stone to water in similarity. You
might be able to some generic references and very tiny specifics, but overall: the
environment politically and strategically, just never mesh. We didn't invade Vietnam. They
had a functioning government. There were clear lines of who was who based on borders (I am
not ignoring the insurgency -- Vietcong, etc.
It was the cold war and unlike Iraq there were not six varying countries throwing a myriad
of combatants into the fray with varying agendas and varying religious convictions. Even the
physical environment demanded a different strategy, insurgents or no insurgents.
One has to plan for insurgent warfare as invading any country is bound to have those who
get the best defense is one of stealth when your foe is as large a target as the US was in
Iraq. But for all of the complaints about Counter-Insurgency the one that no one seems
willing to state is the simplest. Don't invade countries for which there is no clean or clear
motive to do so. It's that simple. There was never a need to invade Iraq, if anything we
should have readjusted our dynamic and began a process of easing sanctions for their aide in
countering terrorism.
There was no reason to invade Afghanistan -- even to distribute more bikinis and advance
killing children in the womb. We wanted twenty guys and instead we stirred a hornet's nest .
. . ok well, more than one.
Vietnam really was an act of selflessness, we wanted to shore up a small republic seeking
a different course to communism. It bolstered our own ideas against the grand schema of the
Soviet Union, rightly or wrongly. Now you are not the only one who has a gripe with
counterinsurgency.
And I think it's a debate/discussion worth having, and while it may be useful to examine
COIN as to Vietnam strategically -- I think it can be done minus the incorrect and yet
incessant sack cloth and ashes built on mountains of liberal psychological faux trauma as if
the trauma of war is somehow unique to Vietnam,. It is not. As you know war is a nasty filthy
business, best left alone. But on occasion one gets pushed into a fight as did S. Vietnam and
when that screw is turned -- well history is replete of the consequences, the waste, the
blood, the brokenness . . . The tragedy of war does not mean one loses a war.
How true! If only the US had recognized the power of man's baser instincts and did what
the US does best -- continue selling its culture of consumerism and hedonism, Vietnam would
have arrived at the point much sooner and with virtually no loss of life.
Ultimately, the victory of WW2 due to sheer weight of industrial productivity ramp and
hence massive output of planes, tanks, submarines, etc. made defense a large part of the US
economy. Since that time, too many entrenched interests just never want the military to
downsize. Hence, the US has to keep invented new demand for a product that otherwise would
not have such demand, but keeps some major entrenched interests powerful.
I mean, the Korean war started just 5 years after WW2 ended. They could barely wait for a
new crop of boys to turn 18 and become cannon fodder. 50,000 in Korea right after the 300,000
in WW2.
When casualties became politically incorrect (after VietNam), the focus shifted towards
lengthy 'nation building', that was not meant to succeed, but just to cost a lot for a long
time. In theory, the Iraq War could have worked, IF the true objective was the installation
of a moderate regime in Iraq, coupled with no extended US occupation. But that was not the
true objective after all, so it did not work.
The BIGGEST lesson to come out of the illegal and immoral War against Vietnam is that the
draft was impeding the MIC's effort to sell Americans on the idea of supporting endless
war.
Get rid of the draft and there will be no protests hell raised back home by people of
draft age–and their families and friends–who don't want to get drafted to fight
wars so colonels can become generals; Wall Street can make a killing on the killing and so
the Pentagon can try out its new 'gee-whiz' weapons in the field on actual people.
The next biggest lesson was that the media must be tamed and brought under control with
embedding, so they'll push the Pentagon's and Wall Street message of duty, honor, Mom and
apple pie onto gullible Americans, who now damn near get orgasmic when they see a
multi-billion dollar killing machine–the B-2–fly over the upcoming gladiator
battle in the newest billion dollar coliseum and go into the State-mandated 'Two Minutes
Hate' whenever they see or hear the word Muslim or Islam.
For the record, I did my time in the US Army with the 82nd Airborne.
So America worships Ares/Mars and doesn't expect the god of War to want to eat them too?
There shall be wars and rumors of wars .I so look forward to watching this love of war spread
itself from sea to shining sea.
Until the young wise up and realize that the military operations in other countries have
nothing to do with the freedoms we have here and that they're being used as fodder for the
investments that the MIC has in the companies that make the tools of war, we will keep having
this nonsense. The kids need to wise up. The government has at its disposal all it needs to
'win' if it wants to. But if you 'win' , the sales and manufacturing of the
goodies is curtailed. They'd rather send the kids into the meat grinder all pumped up
thinking they're 'preserving freedom' LOL!
Nice, thank U. I´d never before had figured out, never outlined such a precise
conceptual sight of the two still remaining American mindsets on HOW to win.
Yes, cause for them Amerika must obviously must always win. So there are two viewpoints, that
in plain clear English we citizens of the shitholin´ countries wherever -- express as
follows:
Yes, you say tariffs and proteccionism help accrue capital.
Have you got any objection against a large, populous but still poor country (like Nigeria,
Indonesia, India or Brazil) sticking to higher (though not sky high) tariffs and
protectionism to raise their production, their income and their living standards?
That was PRECISELY HOW the US, Uk, Germany and the Meiji era Japan, not to mention China
from 1949 to Chu enLai) acted and because of it rose the heights of the present status and
well being societies.
Yes, you naive repeater, let´s us first protect ourselves from the globalist wolves
and THEN, we can sit down and talk but from a firm solid position, not the other way round.
cut the frack! We southern people are fed up with that northern hemispheric sales talk
– it ´s so convenient to you – but the web exists and times change.
It's not that our generals don't read. They do. They just doggedly continue to read the
wrong books.
It's not just the generals. The whole idea of the state is to control the uncontrollable
in order to continue "growing". That's why we conducted Vietnam as we did and why we conduct
operations as we do all over the world. Rather than Total War that produces winners and
losers we are trying to keep a lid on behavioral sinks and modify behavior so that economic
"growth" can continue.
I am not advocating Total War, but I am predicting that horrible war is coming.
How many dead men will it take
To build a dike that will not break?
The Zionists have been the root cause of every war that America has been in since WWI and
right on through the wars in the Mideast and the wars in the Mideast were perpetrated by the
Israeli and Zionist controlled deep state attack on 911.
America is under Zionist control and if anyone doubts this, just remember Israel did the
attack on 911 and got away with and every thinking American knows that Zionist Israel did the
attack which killed 3000 Americans, that is control.
. . .supporting a South Vietnamese government of questionable legitimacy
Actually the US created the "Republic of Vietnam" within Vietnam, which was rather
unusual, and then fought Vietnam. The US grabbed a Christian out of a New Jersey seminary
(Ngo Dinh Diem) to run the Buddhist "country," that didn't help. More recently the US has
overthrown governments (Iraq and Afghanistan) and then fought the natives. Whatever, it
doesn't work. The citizens (AKA dissidents, insurgents, terrorists, etc.) so effected don't
want US troops in their countries, and who can blame them.
Why do credulous Americans read anti-war books written by war criminals? Only brainwashed
people support the troops. Most Americans hated soldiers after Vietnam. They had seen
soldiers raping wives and daughters, burning houses and huts and crops and wiping out entire
villages. They knew that men who agree to kill for a paycheck do other bad things like raping
and looting and then writing books about it later.
The cons put a stop to all those "incorrect" ideas American slaves had developed by
ramping up the propaganda in the 1980s. Movies kicked in and "learned" the zombies about the
wonderfulness of war and killing and how American soldiers kill with love in their hearts and
the tragedy of the boy baby killers left behind – probably by "communists in the US
Government."
The United States really had no business intervening
That's a, maybe "the," key concept. The US has always had enough internal problems
of its own to deal with and it should always have tended to its own interest first. Damned
know-it-all, brainless busybodies!
I suspect most of them would wise up if their elders did so first, and would teach 'em.
One of the most annoying sights to me is to see some ancient fart wearing some sign that he's
a vet. Even though I was once a sucker too, I always make it a point to remind them that we
had no business in whatever war they happen to be glorifying and still wallowing in. How old
does one have to be to get a clue?
Nothing quite says freedom like heavily armed soldiers on the streets demanding papers. Soon
the US will have the same situation, with the "freedom loving" Americans willingly
surrendering all their freedoms for "safety." Today the US government spies on everyone's
communications, conducts over 80,000 SWAT raids a year, locks over 2 million people in actual
slavery, and lets the cops execute people on the street. Nothing quite says Freedom when cops
can execute poor people without any repercussions. Nothing quite says Freedom when opiate
casualties in one year exceed the American total in Vietnam. Nothing quite says zombie when
Americans can't see the war that is being waged on them right now.
Is that true? The Military simply harvested the poors out of the hills, the South and
other rural areas the same way they would have drafted 'em. All the kids respond once the
Government offers them a way out of potential starvation and hopeless poverty. That's just a
better way to draft people, although they won't call it that.
The same generals who let 911 happen and started the Iraq war still run the show. All of
them should have faced a firing squad for that, but instead, the grossly incompetent General
Kelly runs the White House and the grossly incompetent Mattis runs the military.
"The danger presented by either school is clear enough in the twenty-first century."
Apparently it is not close to clear. The warhawk imperialists – some of them
Clausewtizians and most COINdinistas – rule everything. No matter how many lives are
lost, no matter how much money is wasted, they demand we remain on the same path of playing
world hegemon. George Washington fought the British Empire for our freedom, so our subsequent
leaders, starting most importantly with Lincoln, could remake the country into the British
Empire 2.0.
"Because we are here to help the Vietnamese because inside every go*k is an American
trying to get out." Replace 'Vietnamese' with 'Middle Easterners' and 'gook' with 'Arab' or
'Moslem,' and you have the Neocon position. Replace 'Vietnamese' with 'the world' and replace
'gook' with 'dark skinned non-Christian' and place the word "liberal' before 'American,' and
you have the Liberal/Leftist position.
As a youth during that time it seemed like a strange idea that they were pushing. How could
Vietnamese be invading Vietnam? They already live there. The Americans had to travel
thousands of miles to prevent this. Years later I realize my youthful intuition was right;
Vietnamese can't invade Vietnam. This North-South dichotomy was just a made up propaganda
tool. The South was an artificial concoction set up by the West to divide someone else's
country. This question of how could we have won is absurd nonsense. What would 'winning' have
looked like? The South would just have been a multi-billion millstone around our neck.
The can-do, revisionist believers atop the national security state have convinced Trump
that -- despite his original instincts -- 4,000 or 5,000 (or 6,000 or 7,000) more troops
(and yet more drones, planes, and other equipment) will do the trick. This represents
tragedy bordering on farce.
No; it's psychotic, psychopathic mayhem and mass-murder. Lemma: At any crime-scene,
there are one or more perpetrators, possibly accessories, apologists and/or 'idle'
bystanders. It is incumbent upon *all* witnesses to attempt to a) restrain malefactors and
where possible b) rescue victims from harm. *All* present and not in active resistance to the
crime attract proportional guilt. Addendum: Any person profiting from crime also makes
him/herself an accessory, like all residents in the 'illegitimate entity' and/or the puppet
executives, manufacturers of the means and their enablers = the whole MIC[*] plus all their
dependents, say.
[*] The US rogue regime = US-M/I/C/4a†-plex, with dog-wagging-tail, its
illegitimate sprog the Zionist/Israeli rogue regime + Js = I/J/Z-plex, all components rife
with corruption.
a = academic = econ, psy, leg et al.; 4 = MSM+PFBCs, † = churches
add a few significant stragglers like $ = banksters & ¿ = spies
=====
It's a lot, and here I point for emphasis to all the citizens of the two named entities;
silence is acquiescence. Take a look at the result, not 'just' in Afghanistan but Libya,
Syria etc., the WC7in5 [fortunately not
yet Iran]; wherever the US/Zs deploy their 'hammers.'
In the fewest words: The US/Zs including their 'ordinary people' are all true monsters,
with the only exception being the actively objecting few.
Not so BTW, from the above [but not only] I conclude that there can be no 'god' –
for surely, any such would strike all the US/Z villains down.
Again a 'special case' for emphasis, the intellectuals and academics who really should
know better but where again, silence is acquiescence.
*Guilty, your honour; may they all hang by the neck until dead!* rgds
American sheep can't see war even though they are in one. What better weapon than to have a
group of writers spreading disinformation and colorful propaganda that revolves around
discrediting the other propaganda with falsehoods and romanticization of the war that came
before. Let's have yet another debate about the thing that happened half a century ago
because driving the flock in circles gets them no where closer to resistance.
Meanwhile the real war. If the financial crisis wasn't a terrorist attack because the
press never told you, what will you believe? If more men and women die in one year because of
opiates than in the entire Vietnam effort, will the real owners tell you in their newspapers
that they do it because they want to win?
I think the kids are more pumped up with college tuition, VA health , a chance to learn a
civilian applicable skill , citizenship and something to do other than competing with illegal
Indios for low wages.
Save the BS for your fellow geezer drunks at the VFW lounge. Vietnam featured a
complete collapse of the conscripted US military, rampant drug use, fragging,
insubordination, faked injuries, disintegration of the chain of command, mass murder of
civilians, and finally TOTAL DEFEAT after turning tail and running following the negotiation
of a charitable "decent interval" allowing the yanks to save some face. Pathetic.
The Vietnam war was not a "civil-war" but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese
communists, who were not amenable to letting people decide for themselves what political
system they chose to live under. They wanted "the whole pie". The South Vietnamese and
American military fought courageously, with one hand tied behind their backs, as they were
not permitted to attack the supply lines, logistics and staging areas of the North Vietnamese
communists. The American news media played a large part in the sympathetic attitudes they had
towards the communists, taking every chance to denigrate American and South Vietnamese
troops, a prime example was communist sympathizer Walter Cronkite reporting that the 1968
"Tet offensive" was a "major loss" for Americans and south Vietnamese, despite it being a
total slaughter of North Vietnamese communists and the Viet Cong. In fact, the Viet Cong
operating in the South were almost all totally decimated.
Yes, the final result of the Vietnam war was communist control, BUT, it was not due to the
efforts of South Vietnamese and American troops. The Vietnamese "boat people" who risked life
and limb to escape that communist "paradise" have a totally different story to tell, but
which had been rarely reported. Ken Burns is a communist sympathizer whose "documentary" on
the Vietnam war was so one-sided, even the communists admitted that his whole premise on the
Vietnam war was one-sided and false. Communist sympathizer Ken Burns inadvertently "let it
slip" that "re-education" by the communists was not a "six month deal" (as he claimed) in
which those in positions of power in South Vietnam would be "re-educated", but were actually
prisons, in which "enemies of the (communist) state were to be interned for as long as 20
years. It is interesting to note that the communists could not exert the same harsh level of
control as was the case in the North, to the people in the South.
Apparently unfamiliar with my long and detailed discussions here and at TAC about the
Vietnam War. I don't think you will find a single suggestion in mt two or more years of
discussion on Vietnam , that it was a civil war -- it was not. In every way, the North
Vietnamese were the aggressors. And if anyone looking at the political issues and objectives
of what happened in Vietnam – those who protested got nearly every aspect about Vietnam
wrong, nearly every contention they make was predicated on the incorrect information, except
one.
war is a nasty filthy affair in which a lot hoes wrong – because that is part and
parcel to the nature of war so many moving pieces on so many potential unpredictable planes.
The entire enterprise is best avoided, but sometimes as in the case of S. Vietnam, you are
left little choice but to defend yourself. Boys and girls afraid to fight screaming "Give
peace a chance" at the defenders like pushing a drowning men under the waves and telling him
all he need do is swim.
You are preaching to the choir and the preacher.
I am going to avoid rehashing the conflict, I think the data sets are on my side in tons.
But I think the authors intentions are to really dismantle the cadre and their advocacy of
COIN. Given that the current President has reneged on his campaign agenda to avoid needless
wars violating the territory of others to regime change. The issue of counter insurgency is
relevant. Because it looks like we are in for more than we bargained for. No doubt, SAS, the
French Legionaries, CIA and a spec ops contingents are pre-prepping for insurgencies of our
own.
A brief look suggests that the only effective response to counter insurgency is
intelligence and brutal response. though intended to suggest finesse, in the end -- it's root
them out and destroy them. I think this is one those the cure is worse than the illness,
because without indigenous support for your political and strategic goals in country --
brutal reprisals eventually reignite acts of terror as a means of self defense.
What are you a troll playing the same old broken record spewing forth the same old line,
for there was a vote coming up by the Geneva Accord, to decide just what kind of government
the two Vietnam's wanted, a vote that would'nt go the way we wanted thus the false flag to
get us involved.
FDR had made a deal with Ho that if they would rise up and drive out the Japs that Vietnam
could choose their own destiny, colonialism was dead he said, well until that little man in
the to big a house got into office and then once again America's word wasn't worth a mouth
full of warm spit and its never changed
Today's officer corps would spare us all a great deal of cost, blood and grief and we
Americans would all do much better if the cadets', midshipmen's, officer candidates' and
officer corps' reading list began with the Bernard Fall book Rue Sans Joie .
Rand? American Conservative? Tom's Dispatch? All fake news for the sheep, i.e COIN. If
people want change, they have to refuse to cooperate. That means no voting. Voting means you
agree with the basic trends and just want to tweak the system. All of us have gotten cheated
by the Government all of our lives. Destruction of schools so people can't learn. Wars
fought to make countries like Vietnam open to big corporations to move American jobs there.
Corporate money backed by the fist of the Marines has worked all their lives, all their
parents' lives, and all the modern history of America. "Why not now?", the sheep
ask.
The religious aspect of the Vietnamese CIVIL WAR is overlooked by the senile VFW geezers
posting here. The patriots were mostly Buddhists the quislings were mostly Catholics
(inherited from the French). In between perving little kids, American Cardinals and Bishops
demanded even more war and Vietnamese blood. The bloodthirsty homo, Cardinal Spellman, would
even visit the troops in person and exhort them to create more carnage and mayhem.
According to Bobbie McNamara, American efforts resulted in the murder of over 4 million
Vietnamese and the maiming of millions of others .MOSTLY CIVILIANS. The role of the vile
bloodthirsty Homo Cult of the Seven Hills has been mostly overlooked.
Note, I list of sites is not definitive. There are articles critical and article
supportive of COIN. Some articles are just descriptive of what COIN means. COIN has been a
subject of a good deal of debate for a very long time. Most articles are from TAC because
that is the site I most frequently read and comment. And as Dr. Unz will tell you, they
invite a host of articles by a host of authors -- with varying view points.
About Rand, they are one of the most noteable contributors to government policy via
research and while one may not appreciate their advocacy, it's not a bad idea to read what
they are presenting on issues, in this case COIN. Even considering broad definitions of fake
news -- it is unlikely that Rand would be included as such an outlet.
One of the advances launched in the late sixties -- forward was that Vietnam was a MIC
windfall and in fact manufactured by the MIC.
I don't think there is much evidence of that. Pres Johnson and most of the leadership
actually saw it as a case for democracy against the Chinese, the Soviets -- etc. You are not
going to be able to escape the private sector profiting from war. Sure had democracy and
capitalism actually won the day , I don't think there is any question money would have been
made -- capitalism is a very healthy system -- if operated minus manipulation/unfair
dealings. But that is not unique. One does business where business is. but cold war strategic
aims made money for lots of people -- that doesn't deny that there was actually a system of
proxy engagements for democracy and communism.
I am not a member of the VFW. I don't drink and have never been drunk. There was drug use
how prevalent it was is unclear. not enough to prevent mission readiness, it appears.
A lot has been made of fragging, but if you can find the numbers -- The evidence is very
sparse that this practice was anywhere close to a staple. Here's an estimate 800 such
incidents attempted. But given that there are only about 13 confirms that estimations is
suspect. Some 3 million service members service in Vietnam that's a percentage of
0.026666666666% attempted. The actual number of men who died as the result of fragging
0.0005% and i used the highest number of fifteen actuals.
There were tragic incidents of mass killings, but those two were rare. The next series of
complaints are hard to quantify -- but suffice it to say, whatever the complaints -- when
push came to shove the US service member repeatedly got the job done. And contrary to your
comments, the process of the US withdrawal is well documented. More than anything, they
secured a line of defense, and the situation at home was the most pressing. There is no
evidence that the US ran from the battle field.
OI think the evidence is clear that we should maintained support via air and sea power to
ensure the victory was maintained on behalf of the S. Vietnamese who fought and died to
defend their country. kudos to the Aussie's for their loyal support.
If the war mongers had had an all-volunteer army like the one they have today, they could
have and would have kept the Vietnam War going indefinitely. But, since they didn't, draftees
and their parents wised-up to the Pentagon's money-making scam and put a stop to it by
refusing to participate.
Money's made fighting wars not winning them. 1945 was the last time the US made the
mistake of winning a war, and may not have made that one had Russia not been on the verge of
invading and occupying Japan, thus forcing the US into bringing the war to a close.
Very rich families and corporatists started their own think tanks after World War II.
This is when the looting began for RAND. These are the bastards Eisenhower was afraid of. Abe
Lincoln feared the large corporations born of business profiteering during the U.S. Civil War
-- the military industrial complex of the day -- easily constituted the greatest threat to
the American republic.
Remember that Eisenhower's definition of the complex included among the bastards, not
only the military defense industry corporations, but also right alongside them the news media
and the university and private research establishments.
Tom Jefferson thought periodic revolution against wealth and authority was desirable to
keep these bastards in check. Which implies that he figured they would inevitably get us by
the throat down on the floor from time to time.
I don't think that you understand at all the history of the USG involvement in
VietNam–an act of selflessness??? What a crock.
The entire foreign policy of the united states has been controlled by the
military/industrial/security/espionage etc etc complex since, at least, the end of WWII. that
group doesn't really care about victory–on going conflict somewhere is the only goal.
Personally, I doubt that the USG has ever committed a selfless act in it's entire history.
VietNam was just one stop in a long line of USG aggression.
Of course, the U.S. military and Washington policymakers lost the war in Vietnam in
the previous century and perhaps it's well that they did.
LOL.. True enough. Yet an assortment of "Church of Rambo" true believers in civilian life,
including several here on Unz, continue to insist that that the US never lost the war, hell,
never even lost a battle -- claims all debunked by credible historians and military men who
fought there.
the vast majority of senior American military officers do not. Instead, they're still
refighting the Vietnam War to a far cheerier outcome through the books they read, the
scholarship they publish, and (most disturbingly) the policies they continue to pursue in
the Greater Middle East.
The weakness of the piece is that you don't say exactly which Vietnam approach today's
generals are following. Are they doing the "big battalions" approach of Westmoreland's
"search and destroy"? Are they doing the "Expanding Inkblot" of Marine General Krulak,
Sorley's "Better war", or John Paul Vann's "Hearts and Minds"?? You say these are all things
from Vietnam but exactly which one is in place, and why is it losing?
Blah blah blah. That war was a cluster fuck and a crime against humanity. It's only
purpose was to make a few rich men richer. The murder and destruction in the MENA is just
more of the same.
Two decades later, when the next Vietnam-like quagmire did indeed present itself in
Iraq, he and a whole generation of COINdinistas (like-minded officers devoted to his
favored counterinsurgency approach to modern warfare) embraced those very conclusions to
win the war on terror.
Again questionable. Petraeus had the correct approach to counter the previous "lets just
invade and beat Saddam" approach of Rumsfeld. Rummy's "lean force" package backed by almost
unlimited air power was enough to win the conventional struggle but was woefully short of the
numbers needed for occupation and pacification. Same thing happened to Hitler in the Balkans.
Initial smooth success, grinding guerrilla attrition for years afterward.
Both schools, however, agreed on something basic: that the U.S. military should have
won in Vietnam.
"Winning" by 1972 did not contemplate victorious US troops marching into Hanoi, or total
abandonment of the field by PAVN/VC but a better final political settlement enabling the
southern regime to survive, and/or a "decent interval" for the US to save face.
n 1999, retired army officer and Vietnam veteran Lewis Sorley penned the definitive
hearts-and-minds tract, A Better War: The Unexamined Victories and Final Tragedy of
America's Last Years in Vietnam. Sorley boldly asserted that, by the spring of 1970, "the
fighting wasn't over, but the war was won." According to his comforting tale, the real
explanation for failure lay with the "big-war" strategy of U.S. commander General William
Westmoreland. The counterinsurgency strategy of his successor, General Creighton Abrams --
Sorley's knight in shining armor -- was (or at least should have been) a war
winner.
You are misrepresenting Sorley's full argument somewhat. Sorley did not envision or claim
that there would have been any sweeping US victory with US troops marching into Hanoi, or
that the VC/NVA would flee and abandon the struggle. A big part of his argument is for "a
better war" – that is- the end game of which inevitably would be a BETTER NEGOTIATED
SETTLEMENT. Sorley knew quite well that the VC would not disappear (their political apparatus
was still in place) and that the NVA would not simply pack up and return north. Sorley's book
"A Better War" contemplates a BETTER FINAL POLITICAL SETTLEMENT as part of the bottom line,
not US troops marching triumphantly into downtown Hanoi, as PAVN armies scurried away into
the jungle.
To his disappointment, Daddis also discovered that the only Vietnam War book included
was Sorley's A Better War. This should have surprised no one, since his argument –
that American soldiers in Vietnam were denied an impending victory by civilian
policymakers, a liberal media, and antiwar protestors – was still resonant among the
officer corps in year six of the Iraq quagmire. It wasn't the military's fault!
Keep in mind that Daddis wrote a book on the Vietnam War called 'No Sure Victory' in which
he pins US failure on not being versed ENOUGH on hearts and minds counterinsurgency war,
hence the reliance on massive and unworkable statistical and reporting systems of
"progress."
"The army's unpreparedness for counterinsurgency in the early 1960s surely encouraged
this confusion. Conventional officers had little experience in developing a
counterinsurgency reporting system and applying it within a larger strategic context.. So
it was for the U.S. Army in Vietnam. Insufficiently versed in the mysteries of
counterinsurgency, officers turned to statistics to assist them in measuring and reporting
progress and effectiveness. Statistics, though, bred more statistics, and the MACV
headquarters soon became awash in a flood of numbers, facts, and figures."
–Daddis, No Sure Victory
but also potential dangers in such lists as they inevitably influence the thinking of
an entire generation of future leaders. In the case of Vietnam, the perils are obvious. The
generals have been assigning and reading problematic books for years, works that were
essentially meant to reinforce professional pride in the midst of a series of unsuccessful
and unending wars.
You are barking up the wrong tree somewhat. Daddis laments reading list limitations as far
as Iraq, but the reading list did not make any difference given 3 issues:
(a) the decision to go to war in Iraq, when it was not necessary
(b) the woefully inadequate number of troops provided the commanders for conquest and
occupation and
(c) the cavalier, careless nature of planning for postwar Iraq.
What was or was not on the reading list is of limited impact given these 3 big realities
the civilian leadership saddled commanders with.
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Forward Operating Base Torkham, in Nangahar Province, Afghanistan (army.mil) If Turkey is not bluffing, U.S. troops in Manbij, Syria,
could be under fire by week's end, and NATO engulfed in the worst crisis in its history.
Turkish President Erdogan said Friday his forces will cleanse Manbij of Kurdish fighters, alongside whom U.S. troops are embedded.
Erdogan's foreign minister demanded concrete steps by the United States to end its support of the Kurds, who control the Syrian
border with Turkey east of the Euphrates all the way to Iraq.
If the Turks attack Manbij, America will face a choice: stand by our Kurdish allies and resist the Turks, or abandon the Kurds.
Should the U.S. let the Turks drive the Kurds out of Manbij and the entire Syrian border area, as Erdogan threatens, American
credibility would suffer a blow from which it would not soon recover.
But to stand with the Kurds and oppose Erdogan's forces could mean a crackup of NATO and a loss of U.S. bases inside Turkey, including
the air base at Incirlik.
Turkey also sits astride the Dardanelles entrance to the Black Sea. NATO's loss would thus be a triumph for Vladimir Putin, who
gave Ankara the green light to cleanse the Kurds from Afrin.
Yet Syria is but one of many challenges facing U.S. foreign policy.
The Winter Olympics in South Korea may have taken the menace of a North Korean ICBM out of the news, but no one believes that
threat is behind us.
Last week, China charged that the USS Hopper, a guided missile destroyer, sailed within 12 nautical miles of Scarborough Shoal,
a reef in the South China Sea claimed by Beijing, though it is far closer to Luzon in the Philippines. The destroyer, says China,
was chased off by one of her frigates. If we continue to contest China's territorial claims with our warships, a clash is inevitable.
In a similar incident Monday, a Russian military jet came within five feet of a U.S. Navy EP-3 Orion surveillance jet in international
airspace over the Black Sea, forcing the Navy plane to end its mission.
U.S. relations with Cold War ally Pakistan are at rock bottom. In his first tweet of 2018, President Trump charged Pakistan with
being a false friend.
"The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given
us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools," Trump declared. "They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt
in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!"
As for America's longest war in Afghanistan, now in its 17th year, the end is nowhere on the horizon. A week ago, the International
Hotel in Kabul was attacked and held for 13 hours by Taliban gunmen who killed 40. Midweek, a Save the Children facility in Jalalabad
was attacked by ISIS, creating panic among aid workers across the country.
Saturday, an ambulance exploded in Kabul, killing 103 people and wounding 235. Monday, Islamic State militants attacked Afghan
soldiers guarding a military academy in Kabul. With the fighting season two months off, U.S. troops will not soon be departing. If
Pakistan is indeed providing sanctuary for the terrorists of the Haqqani network, how does this war end successfully for the United
States? Last week, in a friendly fire incident, the U.S.-led coalition killed 10 Iraqi soldiers. The Iraq war began 15 years ago.
Yet another war, where the humanitarian crisis rivals Syria, continues on the Arabian Peninsula. There, a Saudi air, sea, and
land blockade that threatens the Yemeni people with starvation has failed to dislodge Houthi rebels who seized the capital Sanaa
three years ago. This weekend brought news that secessionist rebels, backed by the United Arab Emirates, seized power in Yemen's
southern port of Aden from the Saudi-backed Hadi regime fighting the Houthis. These rebels seek to split the country, as it was before
1990.
Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE appear to be backing different horses in this tribal-civil-sectarian war into which America has
been drawn. There are other wars -- Somalia, Libya, Ukraine -- where the U.S. is taking sides, sending arms, training troops, flying
missions.
Like the Romans, we have become an empire, committed to fighting for scores of nations, with troops on every continent and
forces in combat operations of which the American people are only vaguely aware. "I didn't know there were 1,000 troops in Niger,"
said Senator Lindsey Graham when four Green Berets were killed there. "We don't know exactly where we're at in the world, militarily,
and what we're doing."
No, we don't, Senator. As in all empires, power is passing to the generals. And what causes the greatest angst today in the imperial
city? Fear that a four-page memo worked up in the House Judiciary Committee may discredit Robert Mueller's investigation of Russia-gate.
Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President
and Divided America Forever . To find out more about Patrick Buchanan and read features by other Creators writers and cartoonists,
visit the Creators website at www.creators.com.
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Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has written a
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a Hill. Originally published at TomDispatch
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the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. government.]
Vietnam: it's always there. Looming in the past, informing American futures.
A 50-year-old war, once labeled the longest in our history, is still alive and well and
still being refought by one group of Americans: the military high command. And almost half a
century later, they're still losing it and blaming others for doing so.
Of course, the U.S. military and Washington policymakers lost the war in Vietnam in the
previous century and perhaps it's well that they did. The United States really had no business
intervening in that anti-colonial civil war in the first place, supporting a South Vietnamese
government of questionable legitimacy, and stifling promised nationwide elections on both sides
of that country's artificial border. In doing so, Washington presented an easy villain for a
North Vietnamese-backed National Liberation Front (NLF) insurgency, a group known to Americans
in those years as the Vietcong.
More than two decades of involvement and, at the war's peak, half a million American troops
never altered the basic weakness of the U.S.-backed regime in Saigon. Despite millions of Asian
deaths and 58,000 American ones, South Vietnam's military could not, in the end, hold the line
without American support and finally collapsed under the weight of a conventional North
Vietnamese invasion in April 1975.
There's just one thing. Though a majority of historians (known in academia as the "orthodox"
school) subscribe to the basic contours of the above narrative, the vast majority of senior
American military officers do not. Instead, they're still refighting the Vietnam War to a far
cheerier outcome through the books they read, the scholarship they publish, and (most
disturbingly) the policies they continue to pursue in the Greater Middle East.
The Big Re-Write
In 1986, future general, Iraq-Afghan War commander, and CIA director David Petraeus penned
an article
for the military journal Parameters that summarized his Princeton doctoral
dissertation on the Vietnam War. It was a piece commensurate with then-Major Petraeus's
impressive intellect, except for its disastrous conclusions on the lessons of that war. Though
he did observe that Vietnam had "cost
the military dearly" and that "the frustrations of Vietnam are deeply etched in the minds of
those who lead the services," his real fear was that the war had left the military unprepared
to wage what were then called "low-intensity conflicts" and are now known as
counterinsurgencies. His takeaway: what the country needed wasn't less Vietnams but
better-fought ones. The next time, he concluded fatefully, the military should do a far better
job of implementing counterinsurgency forces, equipment, tactics, and doctrine to win such
wars.
Two decades later, when the next Vietnam-like quagmire did indeed present itself in Iraq, he
and a whole generation of COINdinistas (like-minded officers
devoted to his favored counterinsurgency approach to modern warfare) embraced those very
conclusions to win the war on terror. The names of some of them -- H.R. McMaster and James
Mattis, for instance -- should ring a bell or two these days. In Iraq and later in Afghanistan,
Petraeus and his acolytes would get their chance to translate theory into practice. Americans
-- and much of the rest of the planet -- still live with the results.
Like Petraeus, an entire generation of senior military leaders, commissioned in the years
after the Vietnam War and now atop the defense behemoth, remain fixated on that ancient
conflict. After all these decades, such "thinking" generals and "soldier-scholars" continue to
draw all the wrong lessons from what, thanks in part to them, has now become America's
second longest war.
Rival Schools
Historian Gary Hess identifies two main schools
of revisionist thinking. There are the "Clausewitzians" (named after the nineteenth century
Prussian military theorist) who insist that Washington never sufficiently attacked the enemy's
true center of gravity in North Vietnam. Beneath the academic language, they essentially agree
on one key thing: the U.S. military should have bombed the North into a parking lot.
The second school, including Petraeus, Hess labeled the "hearts-and-minders." As
COINdinistas, they felt the war effort never focused clearly enough on isolating the Vietcong,
protecting local villages in the South, building schools, and handing out candy -- everything,
in short, that might have won (in the phrase of that era) Vietnamese hearts and minds.
Both schools, however, agreed on something basic: that the U.S. military should have won in
Vietnam.
The danger presented by either school is clear enough in the twenty-first century. Senior
commanders, some now serving in key national security positions, fixated on Vietnam, have
translated that conflict's supposed lessons into what now passes for military strategy in
Washington. The
result has been an ever-expanding war on terror campaign waged ceaselessly from South Asia
to West Africa, which has essentially turned out to be perpetual war based on the can-do belief
that counterinsurgency and advise-and-assist missions should have worked in Vietnam and can
work now.
The Go-Big Option
The leading voice of the Clausewitzian school was U.S. Army Colonel and Korean War/Vietnam
War vet Harry Summers, whose 1982 book, On Strategy : A
Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War, became an instant classic within the military. It's
easy enough to understand why. Summers argued that civilian policymakers -- not the military
rank-and-file -- had lost the war by focusing hopelessly on the insurgency in South Vietnam
rather than on the North Vietnamese capital, Hanoi. More troops, more aggressiveness, even
full-scale invasions of communist safe havens in Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam, would have
led to victory.
Summers had a deep emotional investment in his topic.
Later , he would argue that the source of post-war pessimistic analyses of the conflict lay
in "draft dodgers and war evaders still [struggling] with their consciences." In his own work,
Summers marginalized all Vietnamese actors (as would so many later military historians), failed
to adequately deal with the potential consequences, nuclear or otherwise, of the sorts of
escalation he advocated, and didn't even bother to ask whether Vietnam was a core national
security interest of the United States.
Perhaps he would have done well to reconsider a famous post-war
encounter he had with a North Vietnamese officer, a Colonel Tu, whom he assured that "you
know you never beat us on the battlefield."
"That may be so," replied his former enemy, "but it is also irrelevant."
Whatever its limitations, his work remains influential in military circles to this day. (I
was assigned the book as a West Point cadet!)
A more sophisticated Clausewitzian analysis came from current National Security Adviser H.R.
McMaster in a highly acclaimed 1997 book, Dereliction of
Duty . He argued that the Joint Chiefs of Staff were derelict in failing to give
President Lyndon Johnson an honest appraisal of what it would take to win, which meant that
"the nation went to war without the benefit of effective military advice." He concluded that
the war was lost not in the field or by the media or even on antiwar college campuses, but in
Washington, D.C., through a failure of nerve by the Pentagon's generals, which led civilian
officials to opt for a deficient strategy.
McMaster is a genuine scholar and a gifted writer, but he still suggested that the Joint
Chiefs should have advocated for a more aggressive offensive strategy -- a full ground invasion
of the North or unrelenting carpet-bombing of that country. In this sense, he was just another
"go-big" Clausewitzian who, as historian Ronald Spector pointed
out recently, ignored Vietnamese views and failed to acknowledge -- an observation
of historian Edward Miller -- that "the Vietnam War was a Vietnamese war."
COIN: A Small (Forever) War
Another Vietnam veteran, retired Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Krepinevich, fired the opening
salvo for the hearts-and-minders. In The Army and Vietnam , published in 1986, he
argued
that the NLF, not the North Vietnamese Army, was the enemy's chief center of gravity and that
the American military's failure to emphasize counterinsurgency principles over conventional
concepts of war sealed its fate. While such arguments were, in reality, no more
impressive than those of the Clausewitzians, they have remained popular with military
audiences, as historian Dale Andrade points
out , because they offer a "simple explanation for the defeat in Vietnam."
Krepinevich would write an influential 2005 Foreign Affairspiece , "How to Win
in Iraq," in which he applied his Vietnam conclusions to a new strategy of prolonged
counterinsurgency in the Middle East, quickly winning over the New
York Times 's resident conservative columnist, David Brooks, and generating "discussion in
the Pentagon, CIA, American Embassy in Baghdad, and the office of the vice president."
In 1999, retired army officer and Vietnam veteran Lewis Sorley penned the definitive
hearts-and-minds tract, A Better War : The
Unexamined Victories and Final Tragedy of America's Last Years in Vietnam . Sorley boldly
asserted
that, by the spring of 1970, "the fighting wasn't over, but the war was won." According to his
comforting tale, the real explanation for failure lay with the "big-war" strategy of U.S.
commander General William Westmoreland. The counterinsurgency strategy of his successor,
General Creighton Abrams -- Sorley's knight in shining armor -- was (or at least should have
been) a war winner.
Critics
noted that Sorley overemphasized the marginal differences between the two generals'
strategies and produced a remarkably counterfactual work. It didn't matter, however. By 2005,
just as the situation in Iraq, a country then locked in a sectarian civil war amid an American
occupation, went from bad to worse, Sorley's book found
its way into the hands of the head of U.S. Central Command, General John Abizaid, and State
Department counselor Philip Zelikow. By then, according
to the Washington Post 's David Ignatius, it could also "be found on the
bookshelves of senior military officers in Baghdad."
Another influential hearts-and-minds devotee was Lieutenant Colonel John Nagl. (He even
made it
onto The Daily Show with Jon Stewart .) His Learning to Eat Soup with
a Knife : Counterinsurgency Lessons from Malaya and Vietnam followed Krepinevich in
claiming that "if [Creighton] Abrams had gotten the call to lead the American effort at the
start of the war, America might very well have won it." In 2006, the Wall Street
Journalreported that Army Chief of Staff
General Peter Schoomaker "so liked [Nagl's] book that he made it required reading for all
four-star generals," while the Iraq War commander of that moment, General George Casey, gave
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld a copy during a visit to Baghdad.
David Petraeus and current Secretary of Defense James Mattis, co-authors in 2006 of
FM 3-24, the first ( New York Times -reviewed ) military field manual for counterinsurgency since
Vietnam, must also be considered among the pantheon of hearts-and-minders. Nagl wrote a
foreword for their manual,
while Krepinevich provided a glowing back-cover endorsement .
Such revisionist interpretations would prove tragic in Iraq and Afghanistan, once they had
filtered down to the entire officer corps.
Reading All the Wrong Books
In 2009, when former West Point history professor Colonel Gregory Daddis was deployed
to Iraq as the command historian for the Multinational Corps -- the military's primary tactical
headquarters -- he noted that corps commander Lieutenant General Charles Jacoby had assigned a
professional reading list to his principal subordinates. To his disappointment, Daddis also
discovered that the only Vietnam War book included was Sorley's A Better War . This
should have surprised no one, since his argument -- that American soldiers in Vietnam
were
denied an impending victory by civilian policymakers, a liberal media, and antiwar protestors
-- was still resonant among the officer corps in year six of the Iraq quagmire. It wasn't the
military's fault!
Officers have long distributed professional reading lists for subordinates, intellectual
guideposts to the complex challenges ahead. Indeed, there's much to be admired in the concept,
but also potential dangers in such lists as they inevitably influence the thinking of an entire
generation of future leaders. In the case of Vietnam, the perils are obvious. The generals have
been assigning and reading problematic books for years, works that were essentially meant to
reinforce professional pride in the midst of a series of unsuccessful and unending wars.
Just after 9/11, for instance, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Richard Myers -- who spoke at my
West Point graduation -- included Summers's On
Strategy on his list. A few years later, then-Army Chief of Staff General Peter Schoomaker
added
McMaster's Dereliction of Duty . The trend continues today. Marine Corps Commandant
Robert Neller has kept McMaster and added Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger (he of the
illegal bombing of both Laos and Cambodia and war
criminal fame). Current Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley kept Kissinger and
added good
old Lewis Sorley. To top it all off, Secretary of Defense Mattis has included
yet another Kissinger book and, in a different list , Krepinevich's
The Army and Vietnam .
Just as important as which books made the lists is what's missing from them: none of these
senior commanders include newer scholarship
,
novels , or journalistic accounts which might raise thorny, uncomfortable questions about
whether the Vietnam War was winnable, necessary, or advisable, or incorporate local voices that
might highlight the limits of American influence and power.
Serving in the Shadow of Vietnam
Most of the generals leading the war on terror just missed service in the Vietnam War. They
graduated from various colleges or West Point in the years immediately following the withdrawal
of most U.S. ground troops or thereafter: Petraeus in
1974 , future Afghan War commander Stanley McChrystal in 1976 , and present National Security Adviser H.R.
McMaster in 1984 .
Secretary of Defense Mattis finished ROTC and graduated from Central Washington University in
1971 , while
Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly enlisted at the tail end of the Vietnam War, receiving his
commission in 1976
.
In other words, the generation of officers now overseeing the still-spreading war on terror
entered military service at the end of or after the tragic war in Southeast Asia. That meant
they narrowly escaped combat duty in the bloodiest American conflict since World War II and so
the professional credibility that went with it. They were mentored and taught by academy
tactical officers, ROTC instructors, and commanders who had cut their teeth on that conflict.
Vietnam literally dominated the discourse of their era -- and it's never ended.
Petraeus, Mattis, McMaster, and the others entered service when military prestige had
reached a nadir or was just rebounding. And those reading lists taught the young officers where
to lay the blame for that -- on civilians in Washington (or in the nation's streets) or on a
military high command too weak to assert its authority effectively. They would serve in
Vietnam's shadow, the shadow of defeat, and the conclusions they would draw from it would only
lead to twenty-first-century disasters.
From Vietnam to the War on Terror to Generational War
All of this misremembering, all of those Vietnam "lessons" inform the U.S. military's
ongoing "surges" and "advise-and-assist" approaches to its wars in the Greater Middle East and
Africa. Representatives of both Vietnam revisionist schools now guide the development of the
Trump administration's version of global strategy. President Trump's in-house Clausewitzians
clamor for -- and receive
-- ever more delegated authority to do their damnedest and what retired General (and Vietnam
vet) Edward Meyer called for
back in 1983: "a freer hand in waging war than they had in Vietnam." In other words, more
bombs, more troops, and carte blanche to escalate such conflicts to their hearts' content.
Meanwhile, President Trump's hearts-and-minds faction consists of officers who have spent
three administrations expanding COIN-influenced missions to approximately 70%
of the world's nations. Furthermore, they've recently fought for and been granted a new
"mini-surge" in Afghanistan intended to -- in disturbingly Vietnam-esque language -- "break the
deadlock ," "reverse the decline," and "end the
stalemate " there. Never mind that neither 100,000 U.S. troops (when I was
there in 2011) nor 16 full years of combat could, in the term of the trade, "stabilize"
Afghanistan. The can-do, revisionist believers atop the national security state have convinced
Trump that -- despite his original
instincts -- 4,000 or 5,000 (or
6,000 or 7,000) more troops (and yet more
drones ,
planes , and other equipment) will do the trick. This represents tragedy bordering on
farce.
The hearts and minders and Clausewitzians atop the military establishment since 9/11 are
never likely to stop citing their versions of the Vietnam War as the key to victory today; that
is, they will never stop focusing on a war that was always unwinnable and never worth fighting.
None of today's acclaimed military personalities seems willing to consider that Washington
couldn't have won in Vietnam because, as former Air Force Chief of Staff Merrill McPeak (who
flew
269 combat missions over that country) noted in the
recent Ken Burns documentary series, "we were fighting on the wrong side."
Today's leaders don't even pretend that the post-9/11 wars will ever end. In an interview
last June, Petraeus -- still considered a sagacious guru of the Defense establishment --
disturbingly described the Afghan conflict as " generational ." Eerily
enough, to cite a Vietnam-era precedent, General Creighton Abrams predicted something similar.
speaking to the White House as the war in Southeast Asia was winding down. Even as President
Richard Nixon slowly withdrew U.S. forces, handing over their duties to the South Vietnamese
Army (ARVN) -- a process known then as "Vietnamization" -- the general warned
that, despite ARVN improvements, continued U.S. support "would be required indefinitely to
maintain an effective force." Vietnam, too, had its "generational" side (until, of course, it
didn't).
That war and its ill-fated lessons will undoubtedly continue to influence U.S. commanders
until a new set of myths, explaining away a new set of failures in Iraq, Afghanistan, and
elsewhere, take over, possibly thanks to books by veterans of these conflicts about how
Washington could have won the war on terror.
It's not that our generals don't read. They do. They just doggedly continue to read the
wrong books.
In 1986, General Petraeus ended his influential Parametersarticle
with a quote from historian George Herring: "Each historical situation is unique and the use of
analogy is at best misleading, at worst, dangerous." When it comes to Vietnam and a cohort of
officers shaped in its shadow (and even now convinced it could have been won), "dangerous"
hardly describes the results. They've helped bring us generational war and, for today's young
soldiers, ceaseless tragedy.
I know there is a book with the name; "The Arrogance of Power", but it is apt when applied
to US attempt to obliterate the nation of Vietnam. We continue to spread this filthy type of
"war" around the globe only because we have not really met our "match" but, we will .oh yes,
we will. Every book that has been written about either the war itself or the tactics used to
try to "win" has contributed to more understanding of that brutal war. The military must
relearn the rule of war that war itself alone cannot win, it takes the political side also.
It has been infernally "easy" since 9/11 for the politicians, the military industrial complex
to construct a world of "terror" and most Americans believe in that world. It has been
immensely profitable. No compulsory military service; a bunch of "little" wars around the
globe being run by private enterprises; no excess war profits taxes; a Pentagon budget that
includes the propagandizing of the American sports public .and on and on and on. What's not
to like for the profit mongers and the ideologically bent?? Ho Chi Min and the people of
Vietnam were outright betrayed by WW1 (just like the Arabs) treaties; by the US in it's
treatment of Vietnam in the treaties of WW2 (Roosevelt died but he already had an
understanding with the French (DeGaulle)) to not interfere with their retaking over of
Vietnam after WW2 so as to get French cooperation with the birth of NATO.
May I add another book: "Ho Chi Min" "A Life" William J. Duiker. Pub. 2000.
Well if they are looking for good books on 'Nam, might I suggest some of the books from my
own collection?
"Long Time Passing" – Myra MacPherson
"About Face" – David H. Hackworth
"Nam" – Mark Baker
"Dispatches" – Michael Herr
"One Soldier"- John H. Shook
"The Only War We Had" – Michael Lee Lanning
"To Heal a Nation" – Jan C. Scruggs
Also, the novel (based on the authors experience as an NVA soldier), 'The Sorrows of War'
by Bao Ninh. It shows many NVA soldiers were as cynical of their political masters as the
average US grunt.
Oh, I'd forgotten 'The Quiet American', incredible book – I kept having to check the
inside page when I read it to confirm that it was in fact written before the Vietnam War
– its prescience was amazing. It should be compulsory reading for anyone interested in
foreign policy of any type.
George Martin Windrow's "The Last Valley" (1996) displaces Bernard Fall as the definitive
work on Dien Bien Phu, prelude to America's debacle. I work a lot in Vietnam, and his
description of how their society organizes and moblilizes is spot on. He also has blood
curdling descriptions of what artillery does to human bodies. And there is the entertaining
interlude where the US briefly entertained atomic bombing to break the siege.
From Bernard Fall's Newport lecture at the Naval War College in about 1964:
"Let me state this definition: RW = G + P, or, "revolutionary warfare equals guerrilla
warfare plus political action." This formula for revolutionary warfare is the result of the
application of guerrilla methods to the furtherance of an ideology or a political system.
This is the real difference between partisan warfare, guerrilla warfare, and everything else.
"Guerrilla" simply means "small war," to which the correct Army answer is (and that applies
to all Western armies) that everybody knows how to fight small wars; no second lieutenant of
the infantry ever learns anything else but how to fight small wars. Political action,
however, is the difference. The communists, or shall we say, any sound revolutionary warfare
operator (the French underground, the Norwegian underground, or any other European anti-Nazi
underground) most of the time used small-war tactics–not to destroy the German Army, of
which they were thoroughly incapable, but to establish a competitive system of control over
the population. Of course, in order to do this, here and there they had to kill some of the
occupying forces and attack some of the military targets. But above all they had to kill
their own people who collaborated with the enemy."
Also worth a look: War Comes to Long An by Jeffrey Race, which essentially
discloses that the U.S. war effort, as understood by the Vietnamese themselves, was to keep
the French colonial oligarchy in place.
Race learned Vietnamese on the boat over to Vietnam and interviewed the Vietnamese
themselves to find out why they continued to fight. Basically, the oligarchy promised only
continued oppression by the rentiers.
I didn't need to read books about Vietnam. I simply listened to the stories and night-time
screams of my new roommates returning to school on the GI Bill in '68 and '69. The lives
ruined, on both sides, stays with me today.
One of those room-mates was on Hamburger Hill in May of '69 and was attempting college in
the Fall. PTSD was apparent and he soon enough dropped out (of life).
The sad part is we Americans do everything we keep to keep snatching defeat from victory's
teeth. The Vietnamese as a whole were happy with us before our government (read CIA)
sabotaged the elections, and handed power over to the Catholic minority and its most corrupt
part at that. (When you have to pay/bribe someone for artillery support during a battle ) Ho
Chi Min and company did not ally themselves to their worst enemy, the Chinese, because they
wanted too.
Same with Iraq. It was probably unwindable, but scrapping detailed State Department plans
on what when, and if, Iraq was occupied because you don't want to spend the money, defend
only the oil ministry's offices, let the entire country just collapse, and then fire not only
anyone a member of the Ba'ath Party as well as the entire Iraqi Army. Of course, if wanted to
be a teacher or have a job in the government, you had to be a Ba'athist, and to secure any of
the weapons and ammunition of the army is something. I am not what that something is, but
it's really something. And then the Bush Administration basically says it's going to invade
Iran once everything settles, which gave the Iranians incentive to keep arming anyone in Iraq
fighting the Americans and British.
I am raaaanting now and I can feel my blood rising so I am gonna stop now. It's just so
hard seeing our government's foreign policy and its intelligence services being run by well
educated morons.
Can't comment on Iraq, but Vietnam was a MAJOR F-up by USA. Ho Chi Min was actually very
much pro-USA – until they handed them back to French after WW2.
With even a bit of US support Vietnam could have been fairly firmly pro-US (it always was
anti-China, so the "it will go to Chinese like Koreans did" fears were fearmongering/PR at
worst and lack of understanding at best), aiming to build a sort of social-democratic regime
rather than full-on Communist one. Yes, it would have upset the French. What's not to like,
given how deGaule was trying to screw everyone around to push their national interests? (much
better than British at the time, one should say).
The Cold War was spinning up in Europe, and the U.S. was trying to get France on its side.
The price for that was allowing France to attempt to reassert itself in Indochina.
I know the usual excuse – but there was about zero chance that France would really
go into bed with USSR.
deGaule definitely threatened it, but I very much doubt he would go the full hog –
if nothing else, he didn't want to be anyone's, and that included USSR's, puppet. At the very
very worst, they might end up Yugoslavia-like, although I'd say that once proto-EU was cooked
up, France would jump there pretty quick, as otherwise it would have lost pretty much all
influence in Europe.
Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were all, arguably, 'winnable' – the common thread in
all three is the US failure to understand local political dynamics. With Vietnam, it was the
failure to understand that what was happening was primarily a civil war with the 'Communists'
not necessarily being anti-American – they saw (and still see) China as their long
historical enemy. In Iraq the dismembering of the existing Ba'ath party structures without
having anything (apart from the free market of course) to replace it proved fatal, along with
an ignorance of Shia/Sunni dynamics. In Afghanistan the 'victory' was blown by an insistence
on chasing phantom Al-Q enemies when the Taliban was more or less destroyed.
When you read the history of long lived empires, from Rome to the British Empire, a common
characteristic they all have is an acute awareness of how to manipulate local dynamics in
order to maintain control without expending too much manpower. The US military seems to
completely lack this capacity. In fact, rather than being in charge, a common feature seems
to be that US military power is all too easily manipulated by local powerbrokers for their
own ends.
Yep, I'll sign under that. I do wonder how much it has to do with the American psyche, and
how much with the fact that even British or Roman empires had sort of hard limitations (not
just in terms of manpower, but more importantly in the ability to get the manpower to the
sharp end pronto).
I think an element of it is quite simply the sheer wealth and power of America means it
doesn't have to think through the consequences of interventions too much. Even in the heyday
of the European empires, military adventures were very expensive operations – two or
three failures in a row could fatally set an empire back.
I think another major issue is the lack of skin in the game for decision makers. I think
the early days of WWII was the last time there was a major cull of military officers for
incompetence in the US. And even in WWII, it was rare for officers to get killed. Even more
so since then, and with the ending of the draft, it means no risks for their sons or
daughters, and minimal ones for anyone they would be likely to know.
There is simply little or no price paid for failure. At least not by the people
responsible.
"All, arguably, winnable." For what definition of "WIN?"
Our military rulers are supposed to "study war." The curriculum supposedly includes not
only Clausewitz, Mr. "Center of Gravity," on "modern" war, but also that hoary old classic
under the nom de plume "Sun Tzu," called "The Art of War." Said rulers, for some reason, skip
over the first part of Sun Tzu's advice, the part about asking whether going to war is wise
at all, at all:
I. Laying Plans
1. Sun Tzu said: The art of war is of vital importance to the State.
2. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a
subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.
3. The art of war, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into
account in one's deliberations, when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the
field.
4. These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method
and discipline.
5,6. The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so
that they will follow him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.
7. Heaven signifies night and day, cold and heat, times and seasons.
8. Earth comprises distances, great and small; danger and security; open ground and
narrow passes; the chances of life and death.
9. The Commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerely, benevolence, courage and
strictness.
10. By method and discipline are to be understood the marshaling of the army in its
proper subdivisions, the graduations of rank among the officers, the maintenance of roads by
which supplies may reach the army, and the control of military expenditure.
11. These five heads should be familiar to every general: he who knows them will be
victorious; he who knows them not will fail.
12. Therefore, in your deliberations, when seeking to determine the military
conditions, let them be made the basis of a comparison, in this wise:–
13. (1) Which of the two sovereigns is imbued with the Moral law? (2) Which of the two
generals has most ability? (3) With whom lie the advantages derived from Heaven and Earth?
(4) On which side is discipline most rigorously enforced? (5) Which army is stronger? (6) On
which side are officers and men more highly trained? (7) In which army is there the greater
constancy both in reward and punishment?
14. By means of these seven considerations I can forecast victory or defeat.
15. The general that hearkens to my counsel and acts upon it, will conquer: let such a
one be retained in command! The general that hearkens not to my counsel nor acts upon it,
will suffer defeat:–let such a one be dismissed!http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html
There's a lot more in "The Art of War" about the idiocy of doofus war-fighting in absence
of the Moral Law and true national interest at the end of immense logistics and supply
chains, war that bankrupts the peasants, getting stuck in quagmires and such. The current
rulers just jump (if they pay any attention at all to the work any more) straight to all the
chestnuts ("All war is deception," duh, "Attack where he is weak, retreat where he is
strong," duh) about how to conduct strategy and tactics.
When was the last time any of these fundamental "Think before shooting" considerations Sun
Tzu distilled from millennia of earlier wars and his own experiences was given ANY attention
by the rotter nihilists ("Mutual Assured Destruction, Massive Retaliation, "counterinsurgency
always and everywhere, the F-35 model of logistics?) who commit "the nation" and the peasants
to their programs and "operations"? And even the attempts to "get the peasants on side" via
Bernays saucing, one of the necessary conditions per Sun Tzu, have been completely bollixed,
or simply plowed over.
All this sh!t-storm activity is conducted from within the same kind of bubble that got
inflated around the French High Command in the run up to the Great War, and seems to
regularly envelop "high commands" which are maybe experiencing a "contact high" from
breathing, inside that bubble, the heady fumes of their self-generated hallucinogenic
"designer drugs."
Many of our cities and towns already look a lot like Fallujah and Raqqa after
"liberation-by-destruction." Waiting for a massive collapse, maybe slow-mo or maybe
tipping-point quick, with huge collateral damage, in three, two, one
The problem is, many will argue that the parts of Sun Tzu you so correctly pointed out
aren't really the US military's job, they are the responsibility of the US Congress.
But something other than "Congress" is what's loosing the dogs of war. There's how it's
supposed to work, on paper, per that "quaint document," and how it actually works. Like so
much of "the Republic." Which ain't.
"When you read the history of long lived empires, from Rome to the British Empire, a
common characteristic they all have is an acute awareness of how to manipulate local dynamics
in order to maintain control without expending too much manpower."
+ 100
It won't surprise readers that Petraeus' "masterpiece" on counterinsurgency bears a strong
similarity to a publication by the late Sir Frank Kitson. Sir Frank commanded British forces
in Northern Ireland in the 1970s and UK Land Forces soon after. He also served in colonial
insurgencies in the 1950s. Kitson gave a talk, based on his publication, on such matters to
his alma mater, which I attended, in the mid-1980s. He was also the speaker at "speech day"
around then.
When the Iraq and Afghanistan War started, the British military were full of confidence
that their experience in counterinsurgency would allow them to show the US how it was done.
They had to be rescued in somewhat ignominious manner from both Basra and Kandahar as they
were shown to be completely out of their depth. It is part of British Army mythology that
they defeated the IRA using sound and sensible COIN, but the reality is much more
complicated.
Incidentally, it is said that Mao (and possibly Ho Chi Minh too) were avid readers of the
biographies of early 20th Century IRA leaders, including Michael Collins and Tom Barry, both
experts in counter-counter insurgency. Tom Barry was the leader of the most effective unit,
the West Cork Brigade. Collins was a master in using intelligence against intelligence
services, while Tom Barry was capable of using limited resources to keep an enormous number
of soldiers tied up. Both knew the skills of provoking the State into over-reactions which
pushed civilians over onto the rebels side.
Yes – despite its obligations under the Good Friday Agreement the British Government
is still sitting on files which would likely shed light on the dirty war in Northern Ireland.
Its pretty clear that both the main loyalist groups were to a large extent run by the
intelligence services to kill suspected IRA members, and were very likely involved in
bombings that resulted in mass casualties in Dublin and Monaghan. While they did undoubtedly
manage to neutralise some IRA Units in reality they stoked up as much violence as they
stopped.
In advance of a Corbyn government, many papers, some going back to the smearing of Labour
in the 1920s, have been "lost". The cache lost include the papers on the "sexed up dodgy
dossier", written by the UK's current envoy to the UN (Matthew Ryecroft) and sexed up by the
loathsome Alistair Campbell, and the death of the weapons inspector. The form of death
officially recorded, as with George Michael's, is disputed by many pathologists, including
former colleagues of my father.
Indeed. Document "disappearance" is a serious problem, with a long history, addressed
pretty well in Ian Cobain's recent title The History Thieves: Secrets, Lies and the
Shaping of a Modern Nation.
Whatever approach Petraeus & Co proposed, "hearts and minds" counter-insurgency was
basically a century old. Here:
Chaque fois que les incidents de guerre obligent l'un de nos officiers à agir
contre un village [ ], il ne doit pas perdre de vue que son premier soin, la soumission des
habitants obtenue, sera de reconstruire le village, d'y créer un marché, d'y
établir une école. C'est de l'action de la politique et de la force que doit
résulter la pacification du pays et l'organisation à lui donner plus
tard.
I.e. Every time one of our officers is forced to act against a village because of war
incidents, he must not lose sight of his first concern, which, after the submission of the
inhabitants, is to rebuild the village, to create a market, to establish a school. It is the
joint action of policy and force that must result in the pacification of the country and in
its later organization.
From the "fundamental instructions" of General Gallieni from 22nd May 1898, in the midst
of the "pacification" of Madagascar. Its estimated death toll was about 100000.
These generals remind me of the character of Colonel Nicholson (played by Alec Guinness)
in The Bridge on the River Kwai . They're so focused on the task in front of them,
they can't seem to step back and think about the wider picture.
In the Netflix film The Siege of Jadotville ,
the real life Commandant Pat Quinlan is quoted as saying 'Soldiers do tactics, politicians do
strategy'. The US miliitary always seems to have a surfeit of tactics with no discernable
strategy.
And of course Nicholson, at the end of the film, was going to stop the demolition of that
so painfully built bridge by the "inglorious bastards" on his nominal own team. Only dumb
luck and the timing of a bullet from a "Jap" led to his falling on the detonator as he died,
and blowing up the span .
re: wider picture.
The wider picture is the political picture. The military in the US is supposed to be and
remain non-political. The politicians send the military to wars. The military does not choose
what war, where, why to fight. Those decisions are Congress and the prez's job.
adding: When then (2003) Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki told the Senate Armed
Services Committee the truth about what an Iraq invasion required he displeased the Bush
admin and DoD, and was shortly edged out of his command by retirement. That in-essence
"sacking" had a large effect on the thinking of the entire chain of command, imo.
Thank you Yves for posting this article. It is rather disheartening but explains a lot of
what I have been wondering about for years – Didn't we learn anything from Vietnam?
Obviously the answer is no; but even worse is the attitude of "we could/should have won"
displayed by the current military brass.
I remarked to wifey the other day that kids who were only a year old on 9/11 will be old
enough to join the military this year
I first heard of Ghost Riders of Baghdad by following various military Twitter accounts,
like Angry Staff Officer, or the account of Robert Bateman ( who sometimes writes for
Esquire). Angry Staff officer also has a blog with very informative posts. I thought of, Is
The Amy's Professional Military Education Broken?, after reading the above post. A sample, "
All military education must stem from the fundamental that war is a human endeavor, and as
such cannot be prosecuted without understanding basic factors of humanity".
https://angrystaffofficer.com/2017/07/18/is-the-armys-professional-military-education-system-broken/
It is never mentioned here but how about the possibility that some wars simply cannot be
won – ever. It is not for nothing that Afghanistan is know as the place that empires go
to die nor that a geopolitical axiom is to never fight a land war in Asia. There was no
possible time-line where the US won in Vietnam using either military means or COIN
operations. The terrible truth is that most of those 58,00 Americans died long after it was
know that they could never win.
The COINdinistas had their chance in Iraq but younger offices at the time were furious with
senior officers in how out of touch they were with what was going on so it was a repeat of
the Vietnam experience all over again, including the notorious body-counts. And this whole
we-would-have-won-if-not-for-the-politicians-and-hippies is as much crap as the post WW1
German officers with their we-were-stabbed-in-the-back obsession. I see this even here in
Australia. Years ago I saw an Army show that featured the history of the Army. When they got
to the Vietnam war era they had Aussie soldiers naming the dead bodies in a mock-up of the
Battle of Long Tan while of the other side of the arena they had hippies shouting peace
slogans and the like. The message was clear – you betrayed us!
And that "you never beat us on the battlefield" was apparently not true either according to
an article I read last year setting out a few hard truths. The truth is that the training of
American officers is badly broken and that sycophants do very well in it. The whole system
needs to be junked as America is not bringing out the best officers that it can – not
by a long shot – and it was this system that produced leaders like Petraeus. They may
have been presented as the Great White Hope once but I invite other commentators find out how
his superior, Admiral William Fallon, regarded him. Nothing less than a root and branch
overhaul of the American officer training regime will counter how we see wars being fought
now. Otherwise we will continue to see more of the same.
Its worse than that: the US military is the cutting edge of a political Imperialist policy
completely contradicted by the
21st C environment. This is failure at the DNA level.
Two things that need to be understand about the Vietnam war that the US military does not
get.
The first is that the US did not lose the Vietnam war, we were beaten by the Vietnamese.
If we just "lost" the war, then all the "Green Lantern Theory of Geopolitics" crap where the
only to lose is through a failure of will, (protesters and namby-pamby members of Congress)
becomes the dominant explanation.
We were beaten, and so we need to know why our military was beaten, and what the
military/Pentagon did wrong.
The second thing is the idea that the
Vietnamese won no battles in the war is patently false .
There are at least 70 battles that were lost.
The reason that the Pentagon insists on ignoring both of these is because the "stab in the
back from protesters" means that there is no accountability for the failures of our
military.
So, like the Bourbon kings, our military has learned nothing and forgotten nothing.
The article states "Two decades later, when the next Vietnam-like quagmire did indeed
present itself in Iraq "
In fact, the next Vietnam-like quagmire was engineered much sooner than that, and is still
running.
From an interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, US National Security Adviser at the time:
" it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the
opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the
president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a
Soviet military intervention The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote
to President Carter, essentially: 'We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its
Vietnam war.' " http://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview
Popular insurgencies can be beaten. There are many examples, especially in Latin America.
The common enabling condition appears to be exhaustion of the peasantry over a period of
years, after which they choose 'peace and order' enforced by thugs with badges over the
guerrillas who cannot restore economic life, even in 'liberated zones'.
Pastoral mountain tribesmen are probably the least susceptible to this exhaustion and
subjugation can take generations: witness the Scots.
I think you're getting at something that the win/lose focus misses: whether or not the US
ultimately failed to maintain a client regime in Vietnam, it brutally demonstrated the costs
of resistance.
In Yves' intro she writes
but decided to stay at war because they deemed the damage to US prestige of winding down
the war to be too great.
US prestige = certainty of monumental costs to resistance. Prestige is honorspeak for
legitimate terrorism.
I think you are missing the point of all of this and in fact trivializing the war.
Vietnam was not a popular insurgency (whatever that means). It was an all out war to rid
that nation of colonial domination and unify the country. It was not the "Viet Namese war"
for these people, but the war against America.
"Popular insurgency" is the Orwellian term used by those in power. A good example is the
American war of independence. From the British Empire's point of view, it was a "popular
insurgency".
It would be instructive if you could define "popular insurgency" more clearly and provide
some context.
The issue is that they can only be done by governments in their own nations or the nations
that they are very close by.
Even then, the success record is mixed and it requires a willingness to be totally
ruthless. Otherwise the subjugated people eventually will be able to win some form of
independence, like the Irish.
The US is different. It is dealing with self inflicted and totally pointless wars in the
Middle East, Africa, and Afghanistan.
The insurgencies in Latin America can hardly be compared to Vietnam, as they were for the
most part beaten by CIA dirty work rather than crushed by a full-on military operation.
The long, sad record is so awful, maybe we just turn over the whole military to the Civil
Air patrol and the Coast Guard! They could not possibly do worse, and might be much
better!
In no time flat, either of those organizations (already peopled by nascent Petraeuses and
Mattises) would revert to the mean that we already know too well. Nice thought, though. The
Coast Guard's multi-missions mission: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missions_of_the_United_States_Coast_Guard
Unlike all the other "branches" of the MIC hydra, the CG suffers from cost cutting and
neoliberalism. "More and more work, for fewer and fewer people, for less and less money,
under tighter and tighter constraints, with every more detailed metrics " and their recent
acquisitions of new cutters are kind of F-35/littoral-combat-ships-ish "Billions Later, Plan
to Remake the Coast Guard Fleet Stumbles," http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/09/us/09ship.html
One thing that is rarely, if ever, mentioned is the type of person who joins the officer
corps. The school I attended has produced (British) generals and admirals (only, not the
ranks). Many, if not most, of the pupils who joined, or were encouraged to join, and only as
officers were considered dunces. Goodness knows what the soldiers and sailors, especially
NCOs, thought of the "young ruperts".
One contemporary, now a well regarded and well known painter (deservedly so), stayed in
the same class / year for three years. He was encouraged into the Welsh Guards and served a
few years. His elder brother joined the same regiment and is a general. Ian Duncan Smith,
formerly of the Scots Guards, is similar.
Read The Pentagon Papers to see why we couldn't win hearts and minds. The Vietnamese hated
the French and we ended up doing everything the French did to make the Vietnamese hate us
too.
Two good books that give a historical perspective of American involvement in the Pacific
and Asia are James Bradley's,The Imperial Cruise, and The China Mirage- The Hidden History of
American Disaster in Asia. Both books are written in a narrative style that is very
approachable and entertaining. Bradley tells a great story. They describe some long standing
American policy that go unreported and bring new understanding to todays events.
These titles led me to Barbara Tuchman's, Stilwell and the American Experience in China-
1911-45. I haven't read this one yet, but Stilwell seems an interesting American character.
Someone on the ground, seeing reality for what it is, and ignored by the upper brass. Another
typical American story- a tragedy.
One of the criticisms of American foreign policy made by the British has always been the
lack of political foresight and strategic thinking. I came across these criticisms in the
context of WWII policy, but at their core, I think they say much about the character of
American leadership. American founding principles and the needs of Empire are contradictory
to the citizenry. America has become an Empire by luck and default. Luck in the unmatched
bounty the North American continent has bestowed on the Nation and Europeans wearing
themselves out. This point is driven home by the fact that American standing in the world is
falling like a rock in many metrics.
I believe this explains why Americans still are reluctant to view themselves as being an
Empire. Too many tricky contradictions when dealing with their own citizens and reason for
being. It is what lies behind the lie of spreading "Democracy" to the world. The British
Empire faced no such dilemma. At least they brought law, order, and culture to those they
conquered. American Empire spreads chaos. Resisting cultures are treated to the political
ideology of annihilation. American policy is, "bombing them into the stone age."
Another great read is Halford Mackinder, The Geographical Pivot of History. In a way, his
thesis ties up all the loose ends of the Great Game being played by our political and social
betters. The Anglo-Saxon mode of rule has been to carve up the world. Asian cultures are much
older and as humanity moves forward in time, people are truly tiring of war. A united
Eurasian Continent would be a supreme power to set living standards and future goals. True
power is moving East.
What has the West to offer, but more blood and bombs. The embrace of cultural diversity
moves away from war and embodies political power in the melding of culture not its
extermination. I think that was the policy of Alexander the Great.
The great fear of American political leaders is being labeled provincials. Failed world
leadership lends credence to this charge. We are not ready to lead, and it shows by the
mediocracy of our leaders. An Empire that kills itself has to be a first. Is it any wonder
that the leadership now embrace the kill anything that moves mentality. It is all they have
in the form of power projection and vision.
All this to get to the point that maybe a multipolar world is not such a bad thing. Trying
something new when everything else seems to fail.
Eh I'm no fan of the West but I wouldn't paint the East in very pretty colors either, for
sure. Humanity has a tendency to suck. Look close to home to make things better I would
say.
You want a multipolar world, me too but what's with this "supreme" "United Eurasian
Continent"??? I want to have to at least take my shoes off to count the world's power
centers.
We have all forgotten the "Forgotten War". In another Asian byproduct of WWII, Curtis
LeMay channeled Clausewitz to the max as we flattened North Korea. How did that work out?
Does it have any ramifications for the USA in 2018?
Books to "explain" Vietnam and sequelae: Why no mention of a really seminal tome, "The
Ugly American"? Dated 1958. I read it, avidly, several times over, as a young,
testosterone-poisoned American Boy Scout Youth, and its mythos helped in getting me to enlist
in the Imperial Army in 1966. From Wiki:
The Ugly American is a 1958 political novel by Eugene Burdick and William Lederer. The
Ugly American depicts the failures of the U.S. diplomatic corps, whose insensitivity to local
language, culture, customs and refusal to integrate was in marked contrast to the polished
abilities of Eastern Bloc (primarily Soviet) diplomacy and led to Communist diplomatic
success overseas [sic]. The book caused a sensation in diplomatic circles. John F. Kennedy
was so impressed with the book that he sent a copy to each of his colleagues in the United
States Senate. The book was one of the biggest bestsellers in the country, has been in print
continuously since it appeared and is one of the most politically influential novels in all
of American literature.
The title of the novel is a play on Graham Greene's 1955 novel The Quiet American and
was sometimes confused with it.
The "Ugly American" of the book title refers to the book's hero, plain-looking
engineer Homer Atkins, whose "calloused and grease-blackened hands always reminded him that
he was an ugly man." Atkins, who lives with the local people, comes to understand their
needs, and offers genuinely useful assistance with small-scale projects such as the
development of a simple bicycle-powered water pump.[2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_American
Another of the hero's engineering triumph was getting the women of "Dong Ba" (?) to unbend
their backs by changing to a New, Improved, longer model of the bamboo brooms they used to
sweep the dirt floors of their huts. A relatively innocuous form of Coca-Colonialism But the
part that I got all hepped up about was the engineer's innovation, borrowing from the Soviet
"multiple launch rocket systems" known as "Katyushas," https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F2lPpPVlDhg ,
of fitting a truck with a several dozen rocket-launching rails, which he used to fire a
volley of "spin-stabilized folding-fin air-to-ground rockets (SSFFARs)" into a bamboo grove
where Evil Insurgents were having a meeting of their cabal -- "in the glare, you could see
body parts spinning up into the night sky " Heady Stuff for young mopes.
Apparently the myth of "The Ugly (But Big-Hearted, Local-Language-Speaking) American
settled nicely into the mind and mindset of Saint Kennedy, too
Tradition is durable. I recall Haitians, like some African forebears, preferred to cook
with charcoal, which one gets by burning wood in a low oxygen furnace before burning it in
your clay stove. Vastly wasteful. Now a good part of local effort goes into long walks to
find bits of shrubbery to reduce to charcoal. And they denuded the whole country of trees and
woody shrubs. Efforts made to change the custom met resistance -- "good enough for
grandemere, good enough for.me." Like trying to get Americans to stop smoking, or worse, to
drive smaller cars let alone kick the deadly automobile habit that has so many knock-on
deleterious effects on people and planet.
The degradation of the Haitian portion of Santo Dimingo was as much a result of the soil
erosion caused by that mono-crop, sugar cane. The French merchants were making "boo koo"
bucks deploying as many slaves as possible to harvest this cash crop. (Too many slaves on too
little land.)
The other half of Santo Domingo Island is the Dominican Republic and it has little of the
resource devastation apparent in Haiti.
I see VietNam as the perfect example of successful neo liberal economic policies. Military
Keynesianism, the workings of Adam Smith's "invisible hand" and corporate profiteering are
more pertinent than Clausewitz or Coin. As with the thoroughly neo liberal DNC, it's never
been about winning or losing. It's just about the next consulting or munitions contract.
Forever war means forever contract. The Mt. Pelerin society didn't start in 1947 for nothing.
Keep them talking about winning and losing while the money flows in. Tough about the GI Joe
collateral damage.
The destined warriors are misused. International Law has no problem with wars of defense.
I have a right to defend myself. The State has a monopoly on the use of force.
Sports aren't enough for the action figures.
Couldn't beat the Vietnamese so beating the Beats
at home, in the homeland develops into for profit prisons
& the recreation of the Gulag. American Gulags
& how much of that labor for pennies is done for Koch Industries?
Meltoy?
I could found an entire nation on a love & war movie. South Koreans have made the
theaters called 4D. Shakes you around and blows wind and smells on you.
Spies fail in concert with their employers, the diplomats.
Haley is at the UN taking names.
Economic Warfare is universal. I mean there has been all my life
War against me. I went to Canada, so I am the enemy & the Wall is to keep me here where I
can be found & made to pay.
One term President Carter pardoned dodgers.
Wear sweaters.
On goes the petrodollar war. 100 Year Oil War.
Law of unintended consequences.
No care.
10,000 a year die from just small arms, in Mexico, not even artillery.
US Police kill 2,000 or is it 3? or is it 4? A year.
Now it is striking that Scandinavia, the Netherlands?
Nations other places & until France so few do big
murders of their countrymen or even within the EU.
They have lived where war means everything is
bombed or destroyed by cannons.
Germany won economically in capitalism matured
Because debts were to NAZIs enabling a great write off
of debt, not happening and inflated by Hedge Funds
for anybody else till Greece is enslaved & Puerto Rico
& whose next?
Doesn't matter, the US Military & its Bankers
& its police have been & will be at war with or
just at all Territories.
Unitary Power but as Gov. of Govs, can't be
That.
Why? Why Not?
War is not a war against spaceship aliens
So war is to destroy the Earth.
Kill anyone because you are destined
to kill.
Great Generals Have a Zest for Killing the Enemy.
Read "Our Jungle Road to Tokyo" by Robert L. Eichelberger who
is a great and perfect General of the 8th Army
in the Pacific.
Long as a General & an Army has one job only
At the behest of its Civilians.
All will be well.
Or at least rational, which is better.
Obviously Econ War is war.
Declaration of Econ War is Sanctions
Declared.
Because of illegal War.
I insist that the ICAO demand that
Kim Y. Un & DPRK give Notices to Airmen
When launching their Rockets.
My Rocket Program is called
The "Message Rocket Program".
Beat, I'm Beat.
"Army censorship concealed from
the American public, as it very properly
attempted to conceal from the Japanese, How weak we were.
The ethical weakness of the US
has become so profound.
All it does is war piratical parasitical
& everywhere all the time
on the ground or in the mind.
Out flow of all territory is by right
The Unitary Power's.
No Territory is won or lost.
Revisionist history is in full swing across the MSM spectrum. Take, for instance, the new
movie – 'The Post' – that pretends to be an accurate drama about Daniel Ellsberg,
the Pentagon Papers, and the "heroic" roll played by the Washington Post. It's fake history,
as this excellent review makes clear, but it fits a certain preferred narrative. https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/22/the-post-and-the-pentagon-papers/
adding: one the the self-serving fictions the Dem party estab tells itself is that the
working class voted for Nixon and other GOP candidates because the working class is racist.
That neatly sidesteps the then growing belief that Vietnam – a Dem war, LBJ's war
– was unwinnable, the Dem power establishment new it was unwinnable, and yet kept
drafting working class boys to go fight and die because LBJ and others' egos were at stake.
The Dems have never dealt with that betrayal of the working class.
The reading list is missing the books that describe the actual horrors of combat that our
soldiers endured:
Hamburger Hill – the movie does not do full justice to the total clusterfuck that
battle was. I guarantee that you will weep bitter tears as you read accounts of the stupidity
of commanding officers from general to lieutenant, and of the tragic waste of life of young
draftees.
We Were Soldiers Once – The first 3/4 of the movie closely follows the book -- and
then goes all Hollywood at the end. It had to, because what actually happened was a stinging
defeat of the American troops and a template for the rest of the war. A REMF staff officer
needed to "get his ticket punched" for promotion with combat command experience, so was put
in charge of a battalion that took part in the latter phases of the battle. While withdrawing
from the battlefield afterward, he led the unit into an NVA ambush and lost 2/3 of his men
(155 KIA, 124 WIA and 4 MIA out of about 450 troopers present).
For somewhat more sanitized versions of what the grunts endured, see the half-dozen books
(extended after-action reports) by S. L. A. Marshall.
Nothing has changed from Nam to GWOT as far as the utter stupidity of America's military
leaders, and their need for constant wars to advance their careers and feed their patrons in
the MIC. One thing they *did* learn, after getting their sorry asses fragged by young
draftees fed up with dying at the hands of incompetent dolts, was to ditch the draft and pay
for mercenary -- called "volunteer" -- enlisted ranks. The wonder is, after 16 years of
endless, futile deployemnts in Afghanistan, Iraq, and now Syria, that the mercs aren't
murdering their idiot officers now as well ..
"Go tell the spartans" did without the hollywood ending, us military assistance and Burt
Lancaster ponied up the 150k USD required to finish it.
Set in 1964, says it was clearly fucked then.
Worth a look.
Yeah, Go Tell the Spartans is an excellent Nam flick.
Another is Platoon. Oliver Stone served in the 25th Infantry Division in Quang Tin
Province in 1967. The last big battle of Platoon is based on an actual event in Quang Tin in
1971, when the VC overran Firebase Mary Ann and inflicted 33 KIA and 83 WIA on the 23rd
Division.. Sappers in the Wire is a very good book about that fiasco.
Books by S. L. A. Marshall may have to be read with caution, even though I have never read
them. The reason that I say this is a book that I recommended in this series of posts called
"About Face" by David H. Hackworth. Hackworth was detailed to escort Marshall around Vietnam
and he "described his initial elation at an assignment with a man he idolized, and how that
elation turned to disillusion after seeing Marshall's character and methods firsthand.
Hackworth described Marshall as a "voyeur warrior," for whom "the truth never got in the way
of a good story", and went so far as to say, "Veterans of many of the actions he 'documented'
in his books have complained bitterly over the years of his inaccuracy or blatant bias". The
guy was always chasing a buck.
One significant action this piece left out was Congress' cutting off aid to South Vietnam
after the US military withdrawal in '72 on. When the final tank-led NVA push came in Apr 75
most of the ARVN forces remained at their bases for lack of fuel and ammunition. Could the
NVA Apr 75 campaign have met with similar lack of success as the '71 and '68 campaigns had
Congress continued support for South Vietnam? Guess we'll never know.
Tom Hagel, at one point, calls the wars in Iraq and Afganistan stupid but I can't find it
in the transcript. However, he also said this;
WE DISTRUST OUR INSTITUTIONS, WE DISTRUST THE GOVERNMENT, BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES. WE ARE
ANGRY AND WE JUST WANT TO SMASH IT. IN A WAY, I THINK THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO WRIST
BECAUSE OUR CURRENT POLITICIANS TOO OFTEN, I DON'T TRUST THEM, EITHER. I THINK THEY
CONTINUALLY LIE TO US, BUT WE'VE ALLOWED OURSELVES TO BE LIED TO BECAUSE WE ELECT THEM ALL
THE TIME. THEY FORGOT THAT THEY WORK FOR US. WE ARE CITIZENS, WE RUN THE SHOW. THEY WORK FOR
US. FOR SOME REASON, AS A SOCIETY, WE HAVE LOST THAT. WE JUST LET IT GO ON. CONSEQUENTLY, A
LOT OF THE DISTRUST IN THE POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS CAN BE TRACKED BACK TO THE VIETNAM WAR.
BECAUSE IT WAS SO CLEAR UP OR A WHILE,. ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE ARCHIVES AND THE MATERIALS
THAT HAVE BEEN RELEASED IN THAT, THE SOCIETY AND THE TROOPS WERE LIED TO,
Basics (I learned this at a military University, informally, not as coursework):
The objective of the military in war is to cause the enemy's economy to collapse.
This can be achieved by other means: eg Sanctions (an act of war) and Venezuela as an
example.
It would have been easier to control Vietnam in the '60s, by becoming the largest customer
for their major product, Rubber, and having American corporations, such as Coca-Cola,
"colonize" the country.
My experience of the Vietnamese, in the largest Vietnamese community outside Vietnam, is
they are Capitalists.
The various wars the US is fighting around the world have all the appearance of draining
the US economy and forcing it to collapse. Which in the world of soccer is referred to as an
"own goal."
That is, the US' largest enemy appears as itself.
1914 there were a number of Empires, British, French, German, Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman,
Russian, et, and the US.
By the 1920s there were many less.
By the 1960s few.
Today, one, the US.
In California, where I live, manufactured goods used to come from the east, over the
mountains. Today it appears few goods come over the mountains from the east.
One wonders if the union will last, for how long, and if it's ending will be bloody or
peaceful.
I came back from Vietnam feeling that I had just bathed in a septic lagoon. It was a war
based on a false moral premiss, and the obvious was apparent to anyone properly informed. In
a war that is at its foundation a moral outrage, even if you win you lose. Added to our
present situation is the fact that no one will read the Koran READ THE KORAN ..(the Penguin
Classic translation will do nicely) then come back and we'll talk about "hearts and minds".
The halls of power are everywhere stacked with sociopaths, narcissists, and culpable
morons.
David Halberstam from the Best and Brightest:
"The truth of the war never entered the upper-level American calculations; that this was a
revolutionary war, and that the other side held title to the revolution because of the
colonial war which had just ended. This most simple fact entered into the estimates of the
American intelligence community and made them quite accurate. But it never entered into the
calculations of the principals, for a variety of reasons; among other things to see the other
side in terms of nationalism or as revolutionaries might mean a re-evaluation of whether the
United States was even fighting on the right side. In contrast, the question of Communism and
anti-Communism as opposed to revolution and anti-revolution was far more convenient for
American policy."
The Vietnam War could never have been won by the USA. Invasion of the North at worst would
have started a nuclear war (as Russia threaten) or at best a wider war with the Chinese
Peoples Army which had ended in a tie a decade before in Korea.
Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria are repeats except without the draft there is inadequate
manpower. The USA's Great Game uses proxy forces that they supply and then fight; the
Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS. Kurds will soon be added to the list. These wars likewise cannot
be won. Counter insurgency wars have been won against minorities who do not have outside
support or safe havens; the American Indian Wars or Australia for example. This is fairly
clear. Then why don't the experts, West Point graduates, see it? First, it is hard to admit
that it all for nothing. Second, the ruling ideology in the West; neo-liberalism, advocates
the free movement of people, goods and services. The way mankind ends wars is with strong
borders, home based militias and peace treaties. This is antithesis to western plutocrats.
The military is doing what their bosses want them to do.
I think the thing that always needs to put out in front of any discussion of the
euphemistically named 'Vietnam War' is that there literally wouldn't have been a war if not
for US interference. Debates about whether we could have 'won' or not, or if the US should
have 'intervened' in the first place always seem to ignore the fact that this wasn't just
some regional conflict that the US decided to interject itself into. If we had allowed the
elections stipulated by the 1954 Geneva Accords to happen, rather than seeking to make the
South into a permanent puppet regime, there wouldn't have been any war. Going even further
back, if we hadn't given our support to the French to continue their colonial rule there
probably wouldn't have even been a First Indochina War, or it would have at least been far
shorter.
Memorable books that I was reading at the time and shortly thereafter:
"A Viet Cong Memoir," by Truong Nhu Tang, a massively detailed account of his own personal
journey from a privileged family serving the French, to a leader of the Viet Cong war against
the US invaders.
Frances Fitzgerald's "The Fire in the Lake" What the American invaders did not understand
nor care to learn about Vietnamese society and customs, that did them in as much as anything
else in that war.
"Betrayal" by Marine Colonel William Corson;
"Our Own Worst Enemy" by William J Lederer;
"The Viet-Nam Reader," edited by Marcus Raskin and Bernard Fall
Neil Sheehan's "A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam"
"Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon, and the Destruction of Cambodia" by William Shawcross (This
is an explosive, massively researched, highly detailed and horrifying account of Kissinger's
deliberate destruction of the land and the people of what until then had been the "bread
basket of SE Asia" and the most contented society on earth.)
Why would anyone blame de Gaulle WRT to anything in Indochina? De Gaulle didn't take over
France until several years after their Vietnam debacle, and de Gaulle was the man who got the
French out of Algeria (he nearly got assassinated for this). De Gaulle was an authoritarian
French nationalist, but he was neither an imperialist nor a sabre-rattler.
As the author alludes, the war in Vietnam was essentially unwinnable because it failed to
meet a basic precept for success in any war: It did not have a higher purpose. Ditto
Afghanistan and Iraq.
Raises fundamental questions regarding military action as the geopolitical default option
of choice, which as the title to the post suggests, is not desired by the MIC.
"... According to the official, "his worldview is utterly lacking in empathy." ..."
"... Few people understand the burr as well as he does. Much of his grating personality is intentional, but he's like a foreign policy version of Newt Gingrich. His chief concern is power," says another former State Department official under Bush 43. ..."
Who would replace McMaster? A leading candidate is John Bolton, the Fox News staple,
former UN ambassador, veteran defense intellectual and avatar for Mustache Magazine. His influence
in the White House hit a nadir in August -- when he
publicly complained that he couldn't get a meeting with 45. But since then he's mounted a
vociferous internal comeback.
His plan to exit the Iran Deal, penned in National
Review (which backed him for Secretary of State in 2016) late last year, was feted in the
White House, though as of yet, not fully implemented (though the president has put the JCPOA on
a deathclock
).
As I reported in 2017, that plan was written at the behest of former White House chief
strategist Steve Bannon, and hailed by hawkish hardliners like Frank Gaffney. Though Bannon's
relationship with the president is, of course, now more fraught, his ally Bolton continues to
receive positive press in many of the nationalist-populist staples. Today's headlines on him
are: "WATCH -- Amb John Bolton Eviscerates Sky News's Kay Burley Live: 'You Are a Munchkin in
the Media'" in Breitbart News and "John Bolton Says Trump Is Taking 'America First'
into 'the Lion's Den' in Davos" in LifeZette , the Laura Ingraham project. Bolton is "a smart, highly-competent, nice
guy," says a former State Department official from the George W. Bush administration.
According
to the official, "his worldview is utterly lacking in empathy." "Whip smart.
Few people
understand the burr as well as he does. Much of his grating personality is intentional, but
he's like a foreign policy version of Newt Gingrich. His chief concern is power," says another
former State Department official under Bush 43.
Julius Krein, editor of American
Affairs, who once ran The Journal for American Greatness (JAG) together with
Michael Anton, now a senior National Security Council spokesman, is a fan of Bolton. Whither
McMaster? Still active duty, he'd move within the army, according to several sources in the
Pentagon, likely the Asia Pacific, where he's cut his teeth -- as the administration's leading
North Korea hawk.
But there is a holdup. "One of the problems," says a defense source. "Is that
there is no four star slot open."
It's possible McMaster was considered for another position in
the army before -- heading up the mission in Afghanistan -- but a source tells me that was
nixed by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.
But this would make sense for this administration, who
have fired people by promotion before. Think K.T. McFarland, the former deputy of National
Security Advisor to Michael Flynn, who was to be shipped to Singapore as ambassador (but that's
been stalled by the broader Russia probe).
Bolton is an enemy to the American people. All he cares about is pushing for war for a
foreign country's interests: Israel. He should be arrested for treason.
That's a bit obscene. And it's also ludicrous to propose that the US takes or doesn't take
military action based on the skin color or shade of the people irritating it.
This news is indeed very depressing but I'm a little wary about this author's agenda. He
had Tillerson out the door and was discussing replacements before Tillerson had made any
announcement. (The article was evidently deemed premature and was quickly pulled.)
Sometimes eager anticipation is not a good tactic, particularly in a trump admin.
Continuing on with the wrong policy from the past administration, the current strategy
aims to pave the way for WW III. Not only is it out of touch with reality from political
and economic point of view, it reflects the immoral component of the policy. Instead of
fostering peace, US uses NATO and moving troops to contain Russia in Ukraine and in
central and eastern Europe. Also, instead of upholding the international regime of Non
Proliferation Treaty (NPT) through the United Nations, the US put THAAD to destroy
China's defense capability to defense itself from the US attack. Somehow the US fails to
realize that North Korea is adjacent to Russia and China. And this week, an old obsolete
man that belongs to the past not the future, the retire General Mattis went to Vietnam
with the blue print of war against China. Mattis and Trump must realize that America is a
democratic Christian country that will not allow any tyrant to move the country and the
world towards the potential of WW III.
Racial prejudice runs deep among some American elites. In 1829 when Alexis de
Tocqueville observed American society, he said America has 'three naturally distinct
inimical races. Education, law, origin, and even the external form of their features have
raised an almost insurmountable barrier between them; fortune has gathered them on the
same soil, but it has mixed them without being able to intermingle them, and each pursues
its destiny separately. Among these men, the first in enlightenment, in power, in
happiness, is the white man, man par excellence; below him appear the Negro and the
Indian' (p.303). Russia, China and developing countries need to put their efforts to
rapidly develop their countries because only the Balance of Power can protect themselves
from war with the US.
Completely unrealistic assessment of the situation. Essentially "kicking the can down the road:" approach. Looks
like Trump administration is now neocon administration. Kind of Obama II or Bush III.
Military Keysianism (in the style of national socialism) all over again. But the US empire requires now spending that can
hardly be afforded by US economy. Add to this care of disabled veterans, number of which is growing each year (while casualties
rate due to modern medicine is low, number of disabled soldiers is substantial).
Hopefully over $100
per barrel oil will sober some hot Pentagon heads. Neocons, who now dominate foreign policy of Trump administration, are hopeless in this respect, they will
pursue the dream of global dominance and American empire ("America uber alles") till the last American (excluding of cause themselves
-- 99% of them are chickenhawks -- and their families)
So 700 billion dollars will be spent not matter what suffering and deprivations for ordinary
Americans (no jobs, no hope) it entails
The USA population lose much treasure and has a deteriorating standard of living to maintain
an empire at the behest of neoliberal elite... This sentiment is merely confirming the US public
discontent with interventionism and neocon foreign policy that had been revived by the 2003 Iraq
invasion. The recent J. Wallin Opinion Research
survey revealed that 71 percent of Americans believed Congress should pass legislation that
restrained military action. Due to power of MIC an overblown defense budget does not get proper
the scrutiny of any other form of public spending. the United States' annual military budget
around $700 billion. Those guys need war to justify it.
Much of those costs have been borne by ordinary Americans -- from paying for war debts to
being at greater risk of terrorist attacks -- while the war profits go to a select group of
corporations. It is difficult to imagine any single decision in any other realm of policy that
has cost so much, delivered little, and harmed America and the rest of the world so
irreparably.
Notable quotes:
"... our competitive edge has eroded in every domain of warfare, air, land, sea, space and cyberspace, and it is continuing to erode. ..."
"... to keep the peace for one more year, one more month, one more week, one more day. To ensure our diplomats who are working to solve problems do so from a position of strength ..."
"... It is incumbent upon us to field a more lethal force if our nation is to retain the ability to defend ourselves and what we stand for. The defense strategy's three primary lines of effort will restore our comparative military advantage. ..."
"... We're going to build a more lethal force. We will strengthen our traditional alliances and building new partnerships with other nations. And at the same time we'll reform our department's business practices for performance and affordability. ..."
"... We will modernize key capabilities, recognizing we cannot expect success fighting tomorrow's conflicts with yesterday's weapons or equipment. Investments in space and cyberspace, nuclear deterrent forces, missile defense, advanced autonomous systems, and resilient and agile logistics will provide our high-quality troops what they need to win. ..."
"... And again, the 40-odd nations that stand shoulder-to-shoulder in NATO's mission in Afghanistan. ..."
"... Our third line of effort serves as the foundation for our competitive edge: reforming the business practices of the department to provide both solvency and security, thereby gaining the full benefit from every dollar spent, in which way we will gain and hold the trust of Congress and the American people. ..."
We face growing threats from revisionist powers as different as China and Russia are from
each other, nations that do seek to create a world consistent with their authoritarian models,
pursuing veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic and security decisions.
Rogue regimes like North Korea and Iran persist in taking outlaw actions that threaten
regional and even global stability. Oppressing their own people and shredding their own
people's dignity and human rights, they push their warped views outward.
And despite the defeat of ISIS' physical caliphate, violent extremist organizations like
ISIS or Lebanese Hezbollah or al Qaida continue to sow hatred, destroying peace and murdering
innocents across the globe.
In this time of change, our military is still strong. Yet our competitive edge has
eroded in every domain of warfare, air, land, sea, space and cyberspace, and it is continuing
to erode.
Rapid technological change, the negative impact on military readiness is resulting from the
longest continuous stretch of combat in our nation's history and defense spending caps, because
we have been operating also for nine of the last 10 years under continuing resolutions that
have created an overstretched and under-resourced military.
Our military's role is to keep the peace; to keep the peace for one more year, one more
month, one more week, one more day. To ensure our diplomats who are working to solve problems
do so from a position of strength and giving allies confidence in us. This confidence is
underpinned by the assurance that our military will win should diplomacy fail.
When unveiling his national security strategy, President Trump said, "Weakness is the surest
path to conflict, and unquestioned strength is the most certain means of defense."
Ladies and gentlemen, we have no room for complacency, and history makes clear that America
has no preordained right to victory on the battlefield. Simply, we must be the best if the
values that grew out of the Enlightenment are to survive.
It is incumbent upon us to field a more lethal force if our nation is to retain the
ability to defend ourselves and what we stand for. The defense strategy's three primary lines
of effort will restore our comparative military advantage.
We're going to build a more lethal force. We will strengthen our traditional alliances
and building new partnerships with other nations. And at the same time we'll reform our
department's business practices for performance and affordability.
In doing this, we will earn the trust of the American people and Congress, if their defense
dollars are well spent.
But let me go through each of the lines of effort. And I want to start with lethality,
because everything we do in the department must contribute to the lethality of our
military.
The paradox of war is that an enemy will attack any perceived weakness. So we in America
cannot adopt a single preclusive form of warfare. Rather we must be able to fight across the
spectrum of conflict.
This means that the size and the composition of our force matters. The nation must field
sufficient capable forces to deter conflict. And if deterrence fails, we must win.
We will modernize key capabilities, recognizing we cannot expect success fighting
tomorrow's conflicts with yesterday's weapons or equipment. Investments in space and
cyberspace, nuclear deterrent forces, missile defense, advanced autonomous systems, and
resilient and agile logistics will provide our high-quality troops what they need to
win.
Changing our forces' posture will prioritize readiness for warfighting for major combat,
making us strategically predictable for our allies and operationally unpredictable for any
adversary.
Increasing the lethality of our troops, supported by our defense civilians, requires us to
reshape our approach that managing our outstanding talent, reinvigorating our military
education and honing civilian workforce expertise.
The creativity and talent of the department is our deepest wellspring of strength, and one
that warrants greater investment.
And to those who would threaten America's experiment in democracy, they must know: If you
challenge us it will be your longest and your worst day. Work with our diplomats; you don't
want to fight the Department of Defense.
The second line of effort I noted was to strengthen alliances as we build new partnerships,
as well.
In my past, I fought many times and never did I fight in a solely American formation. It was
always alongside foreign troops.
Now, as Winston Churchill once said, the only thing harder than fighting with allies is
fighting without them. But we are going to be stronger together in recognizing that our
military will be designed and trained and ready to fight alongside allies.
History proves that nations with allies thrive, an approach to security and prosperity that
has served the United States well in keeping peace and winning war. Working by, with and
through allies who carry their equitable share allows us to amass the greatest possible
strength.
We carried a disproportionate share of the defense burden for the democracies in the
post-World War II era. The growing economic strength of today's democracies and partners
dictates they must now step up and do more.
When together we pool our resources and share responsibility for the common defense,
individual nations' security burdens become lighter. This has been demonstrated right now,
today, for example, by over 70 nations and international organizations of the Defeat-ISIS
campaign that is successfully conducting operations in the Middle East. And again, the
40-odd nations that stand shoulder-to-shoulder in NATO's mission in Afghanistan.
To strengthen and work jointly with more allies, our organizations, processes and procedures
must be ally-friendly. The department will do more than just listen to other nations' ideas. We
will be willing to be persuaded by them, recognizing that all not -- that not all good ideas
come from the country with the most aircraft carriers.
This line of effort will bolster an extended network capable of decisively meeting the
challenges of our time. So we're going to make the military more lethal, and we are going to
build and strengthen traditional alliances, as well as go out and find some new partners --
maybe nontraditional partners -- as we do what the Greatest Generation did, coming home from
World War II, when they built the alliances that have served us so well, right through
today.
Our third line of effort serves as the foundation for our competitive edge: reforming
the business practices of the department to provide both solvency and security, thereby gaining
the full benefit from every dollar spent, in which way we will gain and hold the trust of
Congress and the American people.
"... Occasionally, it is actually delusional, as when it refers to consolidating "gains we have made in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere." ..."
"... At times Mattis' supplementary "remarks" were more bombastic than reassuring, as when he warned " those who would threaten America's experiment in democracy: if you challenge us, it will be your longest and worst day." He did not exactly go into what the military response to hacking a politician's emails might be and one can only speculate, which is precisely the problem. ..."
"... Some of the remarks by Mattis relate to China and Russia. He said that "We face growing threats from revisionist powers as different as China and Russia, nations that seek to create a world consistent with their authoritarian models - pursuing veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic and security decisions." There is, however, no evidence that either country is exporting "authoritarian models," nor are they vetoing anything that they do not perceive as direct and immediate threats frequently orchestrated by Washington, which is intervening in local quarrels thousands of miles away from the U.S. borders. And when it comes to exporting models, who does it more persistently than Washington? ..."
"... The report goes on to state that Russia and China and rogue regimes like Iran have " increased efforts short of armed conflict by expanding coercion to new fronts, violating principle of sovereignty, exploiting ambiguity, and deliberately blurring the lines between civil and military goals." As confusing civil and military is what the United States itself has been doing in Libya, Iraq and, currently, Syria, the allegation might be considered ironic. ..."
"... What might that mean in practice? Back in 2005, Vice President Dick Cheney had requested "a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States... [including] a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons ... not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States." ..."
"... Pentagon planners clearly anticipate another year of playing at defense by keeping the offense on the field. An impetuous and poorly informed president is a danger to all of us, particularly as he is surrounded by general-advisers who see a military solution to every problem. Hopefully wiser counsel will prevail. ..."
"... how should China, Russia and Iran be responding to the strategic plans of Mattis, the US War Hawks and neocons who surround Trump? Who is it that is threatening the United States, that is not responding to threats first against them? ..."
"... This appears to me to be the same dangerous, belligerent talk justifying preemptive strike thinking that separates out the United States from its' perceived enemies. And probably the rest of the world! And brought us, according to the Concerned Scientists, again to "two minutes to midnight." It seems, to me, quite rational for Russia and China to respond accordingly, like good boy scouts, and also be prepared. ..."
"... The U.S. since it very first day of founding is offense. The Revolutionary War is offense against the British Empire. It built its first navy ships, not for defense but to fight a war in the Med Sea across the ocean. No one attacked the U.S ..."
"... The U.S. is 100% offense since day one to today. There is no department of defense. But its department of aggression and war was founded in 1776. ..."
"... The physics of nuclear war allow no winners because we all share this earth. ..."
"... Of course here in America we have no public shelters so threats by our plutocracy puppets must be absorbed by our fellow American Sheep. After the bombs come down are you one of those politicians holding a ticket to those vast hidden U.S. government shelters where sheep are not allowed? Doubtful ..."
"... Wake up folks aka sheep / slaves before it's too late! No one is going to protect you! You and me are being played! ..."
"... Putin, a Russian patriot if there ever was one, recognized that western capital could not be resisted by the Soviet system. In defense of Russia he liberated the economy, gradually but inexorably eliminating the evils of the Yeltsin years, and releasing the social forces needed for national strength and productivity. He reversed the isolation of Soviet times, establishing international relations based on mutual advantage and trust, not coercion. Despite western propaganda, he has established himself as a good neighbor, and as a reliable partner and ally. His stewardship has made Russia stronger and more impervious to US hegemonic ambitions. ..."
"... Putin is no lackey of US imperialism. He together with China and Iran form the chief bulwarks against it. ..."
"... It seems that Mattis is a fool; he's reading something in which he has no comprehension for its ramifications in the long run. ..."
"... Maybe the Lockheed Martin CEO written the document so that idiot would read it to the sheeple....Who knows. ..."
Reading the summary is illuminating, to say the least, and somewhat disturbing, as it
focuses very little on actual defense of the realm and relates much more to offensive military
action that might be employed to further certain debatable national interests. Occasionally, it
is actually delusional, as when it refers to consolidating "gains we have made in Afghanistan,
Iraq, Syria and elsewhere."
At times Mattis' supplementary "remarks" were more bombastic than reassuring, as when he
warned " those who would threaten America's experiment in democracy: if you challenge us, it
will be your longest and worst day." He did not exactly go into what the military response to
hacking a politician's emails might be and one can only speculate, which is precisely the
problem.
One of the most bizarre aspects of the report is its breathtaking assumption that
"competitors" should be subjected to a potential military response if it is determined that
they are in conflict with the strategic goals of the U.S. government. It is far removed from
the old-fashioned Constitutional concept that one has armed forces to defend the country
against an actual threat involving an attack by hostile forces and instead embraces preventive
war, which is clearly an excuse for serial interventions overseas.
Some of the remarks by Mattis relate to China and Russia. He said that "We face growing
threats from revisionist powers as different as China and Russia, nations that seek to create a
world consistent with their authoritarian models - pursuing veto authority over other nations'
economic, diplomatic and security decisions." There is, however, no evidence that either
country is exporting "authoritarian models," nor are they vetoing anything that they do not
perceive as direct and immediate threats frequently orchestrated by Washington, which is
intervening in local quarrels thousands of miles away from the U.S. borders. And when it comes
to exporting models, who does it more persistently than Washington?
The report goes on to state that Russia and China and rogue regimes like Iran have "
increased efforts short of armed conflict by expanding coercion to new fronts, violating
principle of sovereignty, exploiting ambiguity, and deliberately blurring the lines between
civil and military goals." As confusing civil and military is what the United States itself has
been doing in Libya, Iraq and, currently, Syria, the allegation might be considered ironic.
The scariest assertion in the summary is the following: "Nuclear forces - Modernization of
the nuclear force includes developing options to counter competitors' coercive strategies,
predicated on the threatened use of nuclear or strategic non-nuclear attacks." That means that
the White House and Pentagon are reserving the option to use nuclear weapons even when there is
no imminent or existential threat as long as there is a "strategic" reason for doing so.
Strategic would be defined by the president and Mattis, while the War Powers Act allows Donald
Trump to legally initiate a nuclear attack.
What might that mean in practice? Back in 2005, Vice President Dick Cheney had
requested "a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack
on the United States... [including] a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both
conventional and tactical nuclear weapons ... not conditional on Iran actually being involved
in the act of terrorism directed against the United States."
Possible employment of "weapons of mass destruction" responded to intelligence suggesting
that conventional weapons would be unable to penetrate the underground hardened sites where
Iran's presumed nuclear weapons facilities were reportedly located. But as it turned out, Iran
had no nuclear weapons program and attacking it would have been totally gratuitous. Some other
neocon inspired plans to attack Iran also included a nuclear option if Iran actually had the
temerity to resist American force majeure.
Pentagon planners clearly anticipate another year of playing at defense by keeping the
offense on the field. An impetuous and poorly informed president is a danger to all of us,
particularly as he is surrounded by general-advisers who see a military solution to every
problem. Hopefully wiser counsel will prevail.
Possible employment of "weapons of mass destruction" responded to intelligence suggesting
that conventional weapons would be unable to penetrate the underground hardened sites where
Iran's presumed nuclear weapons facilities were reportedly located. But as it turned out, Iran
had no nuclear weapons program and attacking it would have been totally gratuitous. Some other
neocon inspired plans to attack Iran also included a nuclear option if Iran actually had the
temerity to resist American force majeure.
Pentagon planners clearly anticipate another year of playing at defense by keeping the
offense on the field. An impetuous and poorly informed president is a danger to all of us,
particularly as he is surrounded by general-advisers who see a military solution to every
problem. Hopefully wiser counsel will prevail.
By Philip M. Giraldi Ph.D., Executive Director of the Council for the National
Interest. This article was originally published by
Strategic Culture Foundation
well.
as a combat vet it's ALWAYS better to be PREPARED THAN SORRY.
and you DON'T sit on your Butt waiting for your enemies to attack FIRST when you can PREVENT
IT.
In that case James; how should China, Russia and Iran be responding to the strategic plans
of Mattis, the US War Hawks and neocons who surround Trump?
Who is it that is threatening the United States, that is not responding to threats first
against them?
This appears to me to be the same dangerous, belligerent talk justifying preemptive strike
thinking that separates out the United States from its' perceived enemies. And probably the
rest of the world! And brought us, according to the Concerned Scientists, again to "two
minutes to midnight."
It seems, to me, quite rational for Russia and China to respond accordingly, like good boy
scouts, and also be prepared.
However; It is very dangerous, for if they detect there is an incoming missile or potentially
nuclear armed plane what are they expected to do? They won't be sitting on their hands,
that's for sure!
Just look at how the ordinary people of Hawaii responded to a "false alarm" recently. I put
"false alarm" in brackets because who knows what the United States neocons get up to
nowadays.
This is all very wearying and repeated so often there is a danger of people giving up.
Isn't it interesting how we are surrounded by folktales and the warnings of the old
Prophets and new which we ignore at our peril? Like crying wolf.
God help us all if some deluded idiot with authority, including that self-styled "genius" and
Supreme Commander, General Trump, miscalculate.
I imagine what remains of the sidelined, but still rational thinking Generals and Admirals
and military realists in the lower ranks are really sweating it out worrying what the morons
in charge might do.
The U.S. since it very first day of founding is offense. The Revolutionary War is offense
against the British Empire. It built its first navy ships, not for defense but to fight a war
in the Med Sea across the ocean. No one attacked the U.S.
The U.S. is 100% offense since day one to today. There is no department of defense. But
its department of aggression and war was founded in 1776.
There is not one human being on the planet that would have the inclination to want to invade
USA Inc. We watch and read and only need a minuscule amount of imagination to know that USA
Inc is the "sh*th*le " of the world populated by "ar*eh*les".
The only solution is for NK to invite China and Russia to send in missile batteries to
defend NK and if they are attacked, all US military bases in Asia will be obliterated with
Hawaii and Mainland in quick succession if USA Inc escalates.
Cities of Seoul and Tokyo need be left with no doubt that they will be tripled glazed,
Russia and China need to lift sanctions on NK immediately .
The rest of the world needs boycott USA Inc to the Olympics, just as the fascist West did to
Russia when it went to the rescue of Afghanistan.
Persons inciting war need to be prosecuted, those who incite use of WMD must be put in a
special category and immediately stopped from traveling outside their country and from
speaking at the UN.
A resolution must be passed at the United General Assembly to put above suggestion into
practice, and see if we can not get a resounding "vote" for it, as was the case for support
of Palestine recently.
America's National Defense Is really to terrorize the sheep / slaves into submission. The
physics of nuclear war allow no winners because we all share this earth.
Of course here in America we have no public shelters so threats by our plutocracy puppets
must be absorbed by our fellow American Sheep. After the bombs come down are you one of those
politicians holding a ticket to those vast hidden U.S. government shelters where sheep are
not allowed? Doubtful! You can just turn around and try to kiss your hind quarter Ba Ba a a
aaa.
Wake up folks aka sheep / slaves before it's too late! No one is going to protect you! You
and me are being played!
Time to replace all politicians with AI Robots. Who needs rulers anyway? Let politicians be
the first to be replaced with robots
Dave above has one cockeyed view of Putin, and of those sources of opinion that support him.
Soviet Russia imploded because it could not deliver the goods.An endless arms race, a
population regimented, harnessed, and stifled in service to a centrally planned economy, run
by a vast self-serving bureaucracy, It it was an experiment in state capitalism that, in
hindsight, could not but fail. The west tried to strangle it in its crib but in the event it
died of old age.
Putin, a Russian patriot if there ever was one, recognized that western capital could not
be resisted by the Soviet system. In defense of Russia he liberated the economy, gradually
but inexorably eliminating the evils of the Yeltsin years, and releasing the social forces
needed for national strength and productivity. He reversed the isolation of Soviet times,
establishing international relations based on mutual advantage and trust, not coercion.
Despite western propaganda, he has established himself as a good neighbor, and as a reliable
partner and ally. His stewardship has made Russia stronger and more impervious to US
hegemonic ambitions.
Putin is no lackey of US imperialism. He together with China and Iran form the chief
bulwarks against it. Dave's view is perverse.
"... As a former service member, Uncle Sam paid me to live in Europe for a couple years and sure opened my eyes (though they got their money out of me from an Iraq and A-stan deployment). I realized that many parts of US are overrated, crime ridden dumps even when compared to most places even in Eastern Europe. ..."
"... Europeans can thank US promoted defense freeloading so they can focus on beating the US on all quality of life measure including crime rates, mortality, longevity, health care, and other measures of happiness other than GDP such as not worrying about your kids getting massacred at school from yet another mass shooting. ..."
"... I'm a proud American but these infinitely proved wrong neocons keep resurrecting themselves. ..."
@deef, the ad hominem you begin with against the author shows where you are coming from.
George the Lesser revisionists like you never learn.
Where is the ROI on global policing? Selective sampling of wars? Where have you been for
the last 15 years as the US digs deeper within the biggest strategic blunder in the history
of the US? We could have done more useful things with the $5,000,000,000,000+ that was spent
on these dumb wars of choice such as manned mission to mars, universal insurance, pave the
freeways in gold
The US causes more unintended consequences and greater conflicts and deaths than the good
intentions they believe they are performing. See Syria, Iraq, Yemen, et al.
What's the casualty/death/missing numbers of Iraqis during the US's invasion vs. Saddam's
time? Is the average Iraqi happy to be there? I guess all that matters is that the US is
supposedly safer. Would any US citizen agree to that for the past 15 years?
And let's not kid ourselves, the State Dept. in any neocon administration is an extension
of the Department of Defense.
As a former service member, Uncle Sam paid me to live in Europe for a couple years and
sure opened my eyes (though they got their money out of me from an Iraq and A-stan
deployment). I realized that many parts of US are overrated, crime ridden dumps even when
compared to most places even in Eastern Europe.
Europeans can thank US promoted defense freeloading so they can focus on beating the US on
all quality of life measure including crime rates, mortality, longevity, health care, and
other measures of happiness other than GDP such as not worrying about your kids getting
massacred at school from yet another mass shooting.
I'm a proud American but these infinitely proved wrong neocons keep resurrecting
themselves.
I stand corrected, it is 17 years of continuous hole digging, tax dollar burning, and
amortization of the decline of future prosperity continues un-abated.
Sons and daughters born in 2001 of vets of these stupid wars of choice are now eligible to
fight the same end-stateless, no condition of victory wars with an expanded enemy set to
include peer competitors of Russia, China, N. Korea.
The annual soldier that dies on Jan. 1 of year X hand wringing editorial can continue
indefinitely.
@jk "I'm a proud American but these infinitely proved wrong neocons keep resurrecting
themselves."
Because we let them. We don't laugh them off television programs or kick them out of the
auditoriums where they keep inviting each other to appear. We don't punish elected
politicians (like Trump) who keep hiring them because they think we won't notice.
As far as I remember his posts Michael Kenny is "Israel-firster."
He does not care much about the US national security by definition, having different
priorities.
BTW it's a news for me that AEI launched such neocon stalwarts as "Frederick Kagan, John
Bolton, former vice president Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Eliot Cohen,
Michael Ledeen, Joshua Muravchik, David Frum, and Danielle Pletka."
It is a sad fact that Trump administration now is infiltrated with neocons, but in reality
how it can be different.
POTUS no longer defines the US foreign policy; MIC does (neocons can probably be better
understood as professional lobbyists of MIC). In a way, POTUS is now by-and-large ceremonial
figure, although Trump at least during the election campaign (and shortly after, say, before
April 2017 and Mueller commission) has had somewhat more isolationist views (his bellicosity
toward Iran and NK notwithstanding.) But he was quickly brought into the fold. Now he acts
like a regular Republican President, say, like Bush III.
The latter just demonstrates the power of MIC.
That's why there a surprising level of continuity of foreign policy between different
administrations.
My impression is that Israel also is effectively acting as a MIC lobbyist injecting some
money they got via military help into the USA politics directly, or indirectly.
"... The risk has been with us since the 1950s, but has become scarier beginning with the US-backed coup in Ukraine, and increased with US involvement in the war on Syria. It's been heightened by plans for "modernization" of US warheads and delivery systems -- plans initiated by President Obama and continuing or expanded by President Trump. ..."
"... The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner. ..."
"... Return to Moscow ..."
"... The whole Bush II thing, the elections, Iraq, 9-11 were kind of "through the looking glass" events in which political corruption became mainstream acceptable in a surreal kind of way. I take events like the "Russian Hack" as a kind of ready-reckoner of political consciousness: if you accept or support such muck the only question remains – are you a gull or a knave? An idiot or a cynical bastard? ..."
"... "Sleepwalking into nuclear war" is a haunting and apt metaphor for what is happening to us as a society. Reading Robert Roth's provocative musings on the collective insanity currently enveloping us, I was reminded of William Shirer's accounts of the period he was stationed in Nazi Germany as a correspondent for the Chicago Tribune before the outbreak of WWII. ..."
"... Even with all the propaganda the Germans were subjected to, said Shirer, Germans realized that Hitler was taking them into an unwinnable war against the rest of the world that they really didn't want. They knew they were headed into the abyss, yet the political climate was so paranoid that resistance seemed unpatriotic, if not treasonous. They went along in the hope that the national nightmare would dissipate of its own accord, that things weren't as bad as they seemed. ..."
"... Mr. Roth's observations about the blights of willful public ignorance and mass media disinformation are important. Commenter "animalogic" (#7) aptly describes those party to the widespread deceit as either "a gull or a knave." The Establishment needs and therefore nurtures both. ..."
"... Roth has gone straight to the relevant point, nuclear war , for it is already clear that the prospective outcome of any permutation of a 'conventional' war will see the Empire hegemony, USA/Israel and vassal states, lose against Russia, who will be supported, by mutually recognized need, with China. No matter how it is considered, a Russia-China alliance will defeat the empire hegemony if nuclear weapons are not used. ..."
"... One positive thing in US policy is a stability and progress – dummy president replaced by stupid one, that replaced by insane; after him goes imbecile. I can't imagine who's going to be next :-). But there are many of old crazy women and men ready to help if current imbecile went down. ..."
"... There will be no nuclear war as Russia and the U.S. can wipe each other off the map, however the Zionists will continue to keep America at war for the Zionist NWO as that is the game plan and we goyim Americans will continue to be sent to the slaughter house for greater Israel. ..."
"... One honest, generally morally competent man holding the ever-more-powerful office of president of the U.S., could fix many things. Unfortunately, Donald John Trump is not that man. ..."
"... Let's consider one example: Many people believe that a real investigation into 9/11 would destroy the "deep state". Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey et al. have recently completed a study of the "collapse" of WTC7, whereby they've proven that "fire" was not the cause of the "collapse" of that building. This finding directly contradicts the NIST report. For the first time in 16 years there is now incontrovertible scientific evidence in the public domain that 9/11 was an "inside job". Why won't Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity and order an investigation? ..."
"... The world is not about to end, but the Western public space has become very stupid. Most politicians, media and academics have managed to redefine basic terms into idiotic caricatures. Concepts like meddling, trolls, collusion, etc don't mean what we are told they mean. They are all an eternal part of human society, exchange of ideas, disagreements. Expressing one's opinions is not 'propaganda', or 'meddling' in elections – it is freedom of speech. The idea that there is only one correct view – the Western liberal one – is medieval. ..."
"... Nobody will deliberately start nuclear war, but the probability that it might start as the result of series of mistakes has increased. ..."
"... The US and its vassals (including other NATO countries) moved NATO troops close to Russian borders, destabilized Ukraine, Syria, cooked up "Russiagate" (which is really an FBI-gate, but sore losers would not admit it) to justify further increases in Pentagon budget (a trough where very fat pigs feed). ..."
"... The main danger is that in its death throes the Empire will start a war, although we can only hope that even degenerate US elites understand that dead people cannot benefit by their wealth. Hope springs eternal. ..."
"... Agree with much of the sentiment and some of the proposals here regarding the need to ratchet down rhetoric, pledge no first strike, and generally try much harder to reduce the risk of even a "small" nuke exchange. ..."
"... Well, hope is always nice. But we might not understand the dynamic nature of the global-liberal overreach that we have been experiencing. People don't behave the way Western elites have been acting without some measure of disconnect from reality. And hubris. When a substantial part of elite climbs on an irrational high horse of invincibility they become paralysed by the framework they have created. They don't want to hear other views because it makes them uncomfortable. They have given up on both principles and institutions – it is anything goes world now. ..."
"... The Trotskyites who became in America first anti-Stalinist Democrat Hawks and then anti-Russian/Israel-first Republican Hawks have worked things so that they control foreign affairs for both political parties. And they have an insatiable bloodlust. Like the godfather of their movement, they are amoral with genocidal desires when it comes to peoples they despise. They are the type of self-righteous bullies who aspire to rule the globe to overreach and push and shove and threaten and sucker punch until the worst for the world happens. ..."
"... Good to see you posting. I hear they are muling Ophrah. Really good choice for next president. Woman, black, fat and wealthy. Not gay or transvestite though but that's coming next. ..."
"... Makes me wonder what after Putin. I do it like him that much but he still intelligent, cool and calculating man that is not doing stupid things but neither genius. ..."
"... Regarding Americans, unfortunately they never felt real pain. Like a kid who does not know that fire is dangerous. I think financial collapse gonna be trouble sooner or later with them. The best thing Russia and China can do is to undermine us dollar status and the whole financial system which was built by uncle Sam for uncle Sam benefit. ..."
My goal in writing about these things is to alert you to the problems and encourage you to
share your concerns with people you know and with federal policy-makers. Right now, the entire
gamut of political discussion all but excludes the topic nuclear war, so if some Senators,
Members of Congress, and the President were to begin hearing from people that we're concerned
about the threat, and how easily it could happen, and that we want that threat removed, it
would be some progress.
Why the focus on nuclear war? Because of all the pending potential disasters we may have to
face, it's the most sudden, inescapable, irrevocable. At some level, people know that, though
they don't like to think about it. Author Carl Boggs describes the reaction of the people of
Hawaii when they received a false alarm about an incoming ICBM attack:
People scattered frenetically, mostly without logic or purpose or hope. Where to go? If
this turned out to be one of Kim Jong Un's powerful ICBMs, it could be over in 20 minutes.
Repair to a shelter? None exist. Go to the basement? Sure suicide. Find a car or taxi and
head for the hills? No time. [T]he response was utter psychological numbness, paralysis -- a
dysfunctional yet comprehensible state of mind in the face of nuclear oblivion. [T]he end
seemed inescapable.
And because, as Mr. Boggs says upon hearing a talk by former nuclear war planner Daniel
Ellsberg, it's a lot less unlikely than most of us have been led to believe.
The American people have been lulled to sleep, distracted by endless media and political
spectacles, while busy warmakers keep refining their insane nuclear blueprints . More than 70
years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Pentagon elites still theorize and fantasize about the
unthinkable, their demented plans far removed from the realm of political debate or even
public awareness.
[1]
The risk has been with us since the 1950s, but has become scarier beginning with the
US-backed coup in Ukraine, and increased with US involvement in the war on Syria. It's been
heightened by plans for "modernization" of US warheads and delivery systems -- plans initiated
by President Obama and continuing or expanded by President Trump. And it's heightened
further by a Pentagon plan to develop a "low-yield" warhead for the submarine-based Trident
missile, and a new nuclear-tipped sea-launched cruise missile.
[2] I believe that expanding the range of options in this way would
increase the likelihood that the weapons will actually be used.
In case you think I'm overstating the problem, you should know that almost everything in
"Dr. Strangelove" -- the Stanley Kubrick film in which nuclear war is started by a rogue
military officer -- was true.
[3] . "Doomsday" is an "Actual War
Plan," as Daniel Ellsberg says in a December 13, 2017 interview discussing his new book,
The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner.
[4].
Dan Ellsberg proposes a Six-Step Program for dismantling the Doomsday Machine:
A U.S.
no-first-use policy;
Probing investigative hearings on our war plans in the light of nuclear
winter;
Eliminating our ICBMs;
Foregoing the delusion of preemptive damage-limiting by our
first-strike forces;
Giving up the profits, jobs, and alliance hegemony based on maintaining
that pretense;
Otherwise dismantling the American Doomsday Machine.
Of course none of that will happen under present circumstances. It's Ellsberg's goal to
contribute to developing an informed electorate that, recognizing the risk, will demand such
actions.
... ... ...
Regarding the two nuclear-armed superpowers, who between them possess some 15,000 nuclear
warheads, the Cold War that ended in 1991 has lately been replaced by a New Cold War. U.S. and
NATO provocations to Russia have reached a largely unheard crescendo in Ukraine, where a
U.S.-backed coup installed a regime, essentially in the Russian belly, that's riddled with
neo-Nazis and hostile to Russia; in eastern Europe generally, where NATO war games have been
held repeatedly just across the Russian border; and in Syria, where the U.S. continues to
maintain an unlawful presence in proximity to Russian forces legitimately there at the
invitation of the internationally recognized and constitutionally elected Syrian government.
And in both Syria and Ukraine, there are signs the situation is becoming even more dangerous
than it's been for some time.
[7]
These situations raise the risk of unintended nuclear war, as confrontation may lead at any
time to escalation spiraling out of control. Dr. William Polk, a member of the White House team
that handled the Cuban Missile Crisis, describes how in a confrontational situation, the logic
of events could force the Russians and us to the next step and that step also to the next and
so on, to the ultimate disastrous result without anyone having initially intended it.
[8] . Mr. Shatz concludes that what we once mistook for safety was more like sleepwalking.
Former Australian diplomat Tony Kevin sums up the situation in similar terms:
"Under the false and demonizing imagery of 'Putin's Russia' which has now taken hold in the
United States and NATO world, the West is truly 'sleepwalking', as Kissinger, Gorbachev,
[University of Kent professor Richard] Sakwa, [Princeton emeritus professor Stephen F.] Cohen
and others have urgently warned, into a potential nuclear war with Russia. It is the Cuban
missile crisis all over again, but actually worse now [in part] because American policy under
recent U.S. presidents has been so lacking in statesmanship, consistency or historical
perspective where Russia is concerned." ( Return to Moscow , University of Western
Australia, 2017, p. 255).
Think you're pretty spot with all you say. The whole Bush II thing, the elections, Iraq,
9-11 were kind of "through the looking glass" events in which political corruption became
mainstream acceptable in a surreal kind of way.
I take events like the "Russian Hack" as a kind of ready-reckoner of political consciousness:
if you accept or support such muck the only question remains – are you a gull or a
knave? An idiot or a cynical bastard?
"Sleepwalking into nuclear war" is a haunting and apt metaphor for what is happening to us as
a society. Reading Robert Roth's provocative musings on the collective insanity currently
enveloping us, I was reminded of William Shirer's accounts of the period he was stationed in
Nazi Germany as a correspondent for the Chicago Tribune before the outbreak of WWII.
His account of attending a Nazi rally where he appeared to be the only member of the
audience not mesmerized by Hitler's delusional rants reminds me of my own reaction to the
Russiagate hysteria being orchestrated by neocons and Clinton dead-enders. Who are these
people and what is the matter with them? The current state of our Union is a testament to the
power of propaganda, which Hitler and Goebbels understood so well.
Even with all the propaganda the Germans were subjected to, said Shirer, Germans realized
that Hitler was taking them into an unwinnable war against the rest of the world that they
really didn't want. They knew they were headed into the abyss, yet the political climate was
so paranoid that resistance seemed unpatriotic, if not treasonous. They went along in the
hope that the national nightmare would dissipate of its own accord, that things weren't as
bad as they seemed.
But as it turned out, things were even worse than they seemed. The nightmare was real and
there was no waking from it.
The USA/Russia/China/Israel/France/UK/India/Pakistan have collectively been playing Russian
Roulette for 65 years.
Probability dictates sooner or later, one of the chambers will contain a live round.
What an excellent essay. It appears to have been submitted initially to The Unz Review, which
should enhance the reputation of both the author and publisher.
Mr. Roth's observations about the blights of willful public ignorance and mass media
disinformation are important. Commenter "animalogic" (#7) aptly describes those party to the
widespread deceit as either "a gull or a knave." The Establishment needs and therefore
nurtures both.
Great article and great comments so far (11 of them).
We have a scenario much like those scenarios prior to the Great War (WWI) and the second
world war, and the same shadowy 'hidden hand' orchestrating the entire pending disaster so
they can yet further augment their control and expand their illegal land theft.
The consolidation of the mass media agencies, now almost pure propaganda/perception
management agencies controlled by the competing factions of the 0.1%, and the advent of the
internet and 'big data' have enabled this psychopathic cabal to attain previously undreamt of
control over the common 99%, including control over their perception.
Roth has gone straight to the relevant point, nuclear war , for it is already clear
that the prospective outcome of any permutation of a 'conventional' war will see the Empire
hegemony, USA/Israel and vassal states, lose against Russia, who will be supported, by
mutually recognized need, with China. No matter how it is considered, a Russia-China alliance
will defeat the empire hegemony if nuclear weapons are not used.
It is because of this point that the entirety of humanity must rally and do 'what ever it
takes' to stop the terrorist empire from sustaining the current tyranny. The psychopaths of
the empire, not exposed to public scrutiny, hidden in the shadows, can and will nudge the
world into unwinnable (for anyone) nuclear war; their egos are the definition of human
depravity.
Exposing the grand charade to a critical mass of the general population is the first
objective, then exposing the 'hidden hands' in the shadows is the next.
The parasite must be stopped, and we, the people who have seen glimpses of the enemy, are
incumbent to spread the word.
I left this comment on a different article ( http://thesaker.is/listening-to-mattis/ ), but
seems it could be in place here also. Cause we're talking approximately same and nothing gonna
change
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Well, it's getting boring a little. I mean the descriptions of the insanity of US's
rulers.
One positive thing in US policy is a stability and progress – dummy president
replaced by stupid one, that replaced by insane; after him goes imbecile. I can't imagine
who's going to be next :-).
But there are many of old crazy women and men ready to help if current imbecile went
down.
Thanks God, we, Russians, not that happy. After imbecile alcoholic Yeltsin we've got not
bad alternative (your media and stupid people in power call him a killer). Who (with his sanity) the only chance for this world to survive.
But, actually we're very tired from all this stuff and the possibility of US generals to
test our conventional and even nuke arms constantly increasing. They can also test if our
soldiers who've seen Napoleon, Hitler and many others got worse or still the same. I'm asking US citizens – Is it really interesting to you to get know it for
sure?
There will be no nuclear war as Russia and the U.S. can wipe each other off the map, however
the Zionists will continue to keep America at war for the Zionist NWO as that is the game
plan and we goyim Americans will continue to be sent to the slaughter house for greater
Israel.
"But as Mr. Shatz observes, the problems run much deeper than President Trump."
This statement is misleading. One honest, generally morally competent man holding the
ever-more-powerful office of president of the U.S., could fix many things. Unfortunately, Donald John Trump is not that man.
Let's consider one example: Many people believe that a real investigation into 9/11 would
destroy the "deep state". Dr. J. Leroy Hulsey et al. have recently completed a study of the
"collapse" of WTC7, whereby they've proven that "fire" was not the cause of the "collapse" of
that building. This finding directly contradicts the NIST report. For the first time in 16
years there is now incontrovertible scientific evidence in the public domain that 9/11 was an
"inside job". Why won't Donald John Trump take advantage of this unprecedented opportunity
and order an investigation?
There is only one plausible explanation: I believe that Donald John Trump was the "deep
state" candidate of choice in the 2016 election. I believe that's why they ran wild-eyed
madwoman Hillary Clinton against him rather than the more electable Sanders. I believe that's
why, in the early fall of 2016, as the election was coming into the home stretch, Obama
started ramping up tensions with Russia; i.e., so as to nudge the disgruntled anti-war
Democrats (Sanders supporters) into Trump's camp, swinging the election to him.
I believe that Donald John Trump is a "deep cover" or "sleeper" agent that's been groomed
and waiting in the wings for his masters' call. I believe that Donald John Trump was called
to power in a desperate now or never moment to save the "deep state" (Zionist) agenda.
Donald John Trump is a liar. Donald John Trump is a fraud. Donald John Trump is a con man.
Donald John Trump is a mass-murderer.
I don't think anyone in the West is sleepwalking into anything, esp the USA. I think the
American people see the writing on the wall and that if the American Empire loses status the
economy of the USA will revert to being a labor intensive existence of working the ground
just to have enough food to eat and water to drink. So entitled and lazy Americans are and
horrified to be relegated back to a 1920/30′s quality of life (loss of Bread &
Circuses), that if the Military Industril Complex has to threaten the entire planet with nuclear
annihilation if they don't tithe 10% of their GDP (Roman Empire) so fat ass Yankees can
continue to be fat asses – then just burn the place to the ground.
If the BRIC countries attempt to dethrone the petro dollar lazy entitled Americans will
BEG Washington to do whatever it takes to bring back $3.00 t-shirts at Wal-Mart.
The world is not about to end, but the Western public space has become very stupid. Most
politicians, media and academics have managed to redefine basic terms into idiotic
caricatures. Concepts like meddling, trolls, collusion, etc don't mean what we are told they
mean. They are all an eternal part of human society, exchange of ideas, disagreements.
Expressing one's opinions is not 'propaganda', or 'meddling' in elections – it is
freedom of speech. The idea that there is only one correct view – the Western liberal
one – is medieval.
We are at a point when views other than BBC, CNN, NY Times , are routinely dismissed as
'meddling', 'trolling, or sometimes 'hatred'. The objective is to suppress and dismiss them.
That is very dangerous for any civilisation, but for a system that was built on celebrating
free speech, it is fatal.
I often hear that it is a 'natural' pendulum swing, that most people in the West don't
agree with it, that it is an angry reaction to an unexpected loss ('Clinton dead-enders'),
that it will self-correct over time. In my view that is missing the point and overlooks the
permanent damage this hysteria has caused. If the more rational members of the elite are
unable to defend rationality and freedom today – when it is still easy – they are
co-responsible for the madness.
"After the Maidan the leaders of two right wing neo-Nazi organisations were rewarded with
control of four ministries
Andriy Parubiy, co-founder of the fascist Social National Party (SNPU) , which later
changed its name to Svoboda, became the new top commander of the National Defense and
Security Council (covering the military, police, courts and intelligence apparatus). The CIA
renamed the organisation to "Svoboda," meaning "Freedom," to make it more acceptable to
Americans.
Dmytro Yarosh, Right Sector commander, was second-in-command of the National Defense and
Security Council. This is the man who organized and ran Ukraine's February 22nd Coup in Kiev,
and the May 2nd Massacre of Its Opponents in Odessa, for Barack Obama. Yarosh's teams
carry out the most violent operations for the CIA in Ukraine. They are responsible for the
atrocities committed in the Donbass, for the crimes against humanity .
Oleh Tyahnybok, co founder of the SNPU and currently the party leader of Svoboda, a self
confessed neo-Nazi. He opposed the introduction of the Russian language as the second
official state language; called for the lustration of former communist officials. He also
proposed recognition of the fighting role of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and
Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War II."
-- Where are the Lobby, the Anti-Defamation League, the Friends of Israel in UK, and the
whole Holocaust business? Where are the fighters with BDS?
Nobody will deliberately start nuclear war, but the probability that it might start as the
result of series of mistakes has increased.
The US and its vassals (including other NATO
countries) moved NATO troops close to Russian borders, destabilized Ukraine, Syria, cooked up
"Russiagate" (which is really an FBI-gate, but sore losers would not admit it) to justify
further increases in Pentagon budget (a trough where very fat pigs feed).
The Empire is
afraid of losing its position, but shortsighted elites do everything to accelerate its
demise. The main danger is that in its death throes the Empire will start a war, although we
can only hope that even degenerate US elites understand that dead people cannot benefit by
their wealth. Hope springs eternal.
Agree with much of the sentiment and some of the proposals here regarding the need to ratchet
down rhetoric, pledge no first strike, and generally try much harder to reduce the risk of
even a "small" nuke exchange.
But giving up our inter-continental ballistic missiles would be foolhardy, even more so if
it's done unilaterally. With rivals / potential enemies like China and eventually India, who
in time will be able to muster conventional forces and troop contingents far larger than
ours, we cannot give up the nuke deterrent.
And the reference "the TWO nuclear-armed superpowers" is out of date. That would be at
least THREE nuke-armed superpowers: China, the USA, and Russia.
"But giving up our inter-continental ballistic missiles would be foolhardy, even more so
if it's done unilaterally. With rivals / potential enemies like China and eventually India,
who in time will be able to muster conventional forces and troop contingents far larger than
ours, we cannot give up the nuke deterrent."
because it will keep the victims of ZIO/U$A imperial policy at bay for the victims request
for REPARATIONS, when that time comes
understand that dead people cannot benefit by their wealth. Hope springs eternal
Well, hope is always nice. But we might not understand the dynamic nature of the
global-liberal overreach that we have been experiencing. People don't behave the way Western
elites have been acting without some measure of disconnect from reality. And hubris. When a substantial part of elite climbs on an irrational high horse of invincibility they
become paralysed by the framework they have created. They don't want to hear other views
because it makes them uncomfortable. They have given up on both principles and institutions
– it is anything goes world now.
So where is the assurance that rationality would prevail in a crisis? It didn't in 1914.
Who would step in and tell the morons that they have been living a lie of their own creation?
That constraints are still there, that their verbal acuity has not changed how the world is,
that 'soft power' is called soft for a reason – it doesn't add up to a hill of beans
when it matters. The risk for any dissenter of consequence is very high (see Trump for a
related, imperfect example).
Let's hope. Most bad scenarios don't actually end life on the planet, they just make life
more miserable. That's what happened in the past. We might see a 'nuclear' version of that.
One thing I know for sure: none of the liberal fire-eaters in Washington, Brussels or London
will ever own up to this. They are born 'victims', so they will go on whining
The Dutch government tries to get a law accepted now that greatly increases the legal
possibilities of our secret service to spy on anyone.
March 21 there is a referendum on the law, I expect that we will reject it, but the
politicians already stated that they will reject a negative referendum.
By accident, of course, today our secret service made public that they spied on Russian
interference in the USA elections, without being specific of course, 'classified', as a lot
in the USA.
The Trotskyites who became in America first anti-Stalinist Democrat Hawks and then
anti-Russian/Israel-first Republican Hawks have worked things so that they control foreign
affairs for both political parties. And they have an insatiable bloodlust. Like the godfather
of their movement, they are amoral with genocidal desires when it comes to peoples they
despise. They are the type of self-righteous bullies who aspire to rule the globe to
overreach and push and shove and threaten and sucker punch until the worst for the world
happens.
Most regular readers of Unz Review can agree with the above. What they also need to accept
is that those problems did not enter the US, or more generally the Anglosphere, with the
flight of mostly Jewish Trotskyites from the USSR and Europe. The same attitudes of
insufferable hubris that was basically amoral in regard to national and ethnic groups it most
despised marked the British Empire.
The British WASP Elite form certainly was more refined
and pleasant-seeming than the Jewish Neocon form, and other groups of people within that
world usually proved able to bring the most crazed WASP Elite monsters back from the edge of
the cliff. But they existed, and they caused needless trouble around the globe.
It is the mix of the two that makes the American hawkish anti-Russian, Israel-first
foreign policy insane enough to try to start a nuclear exchange.
Anon from TN
You may be right, but we can't do anything about it now: much hyped democracy is a pure ruse
(look at presumably two party system in the US: Republicrats always win). I just hope that
the sense of self-preservation in those degenerate elites is stronger than their lies that
they apparently believe themselves (even mice are smart enough for that). If not, then those
morons along with innocent bystanders (99.9% of world population) would be dead. Look on the
bright side: rodents and insects would be happy to inherit the Earth.
Unpopular jerk-boy opinion incoming. I honestly think the Hawaii response is pretty typical
but shameful. I like the response of the guy who just tweets, 'OK, if I die goodbye, I'm
golfing anyway' and turns his stupid phone off.
Good to see you posting. I hear they are muling Ophrah. Really good choice for next
president. Woman, black, fat and wealthy. Not gay or transvestite though but that's coming
next. What makes me wonder how this sort of imbeciles gets elected without collapsing the
state. I think it is moving slowly in this direction but there was enough to have just 2 morons in top positions and
look -- no
more USSR. Talk about "Checks and balances."
Makes me wonder what after Putin. I do it like him that much
but he still intelligent, cool and calculating man that is not doing stupid things but
neither genius.
Regarding Americans, unfortunately they never felt real pain. Like a kid who does not know that fire is dangerous. I
think financial collapse gonna be trouble
sooner or later with them. The best thing Russia and China can do is to undermine us dollar
status and the whole financial system which was built by uncle Sam for uncle Sam benefit.
Anon from TN
You are right: Dutch government has already thrown away negative results of the referendum on
EU association with Ukraine. What's more, it betrayed its own citizens by still pretending to
investigate the crash of MH-17, even though everyone with a brain knows that Ukrainian puppet
government is to blame (international airlines made this conclusion long time ago: they fly
over Russia, but avoid Ukraine, flying around it, just like they fly around North Korea).
I
am tempted to say that you guys elected this scum, but then you'd say that I elected Trump,
which I didn't (anyway, what choice did we have: corrupt to the core mad witch would have
been even worse).
today our secret service made public that they spied on Russian interference in the USA
elections
Spying is like a recursive algorithm. Next Russia will announce that they ' spied on
the Dutch spies who were spying on them '. Maybe we can skip the ' motivations ':
they are all spying on each other, all the time, it is their job description.
I am still waiting for someone to explain to us how is ' interference ' or '
meddling ' different from having an opinion about an election. And we all know that
Americans (or Dutch) have never, ever, expressed any opinions about other countries'
elections. Right. My democracy promotion is your meddling.
It is bad when you kill my cow. It is very good when I kill your cow. Monkey reasoning
level?
Everyone in the world can see that the United States has become a bitterly divided country, but still has a really amazing level
of continuity in foreign policy between various administrations.
Notable quotes:
"... The long-awaited National Defense Strategy is a vision of US imperialism besieged on all sides and in mortal danger of losing global dominance. ..."
"... "Great power competition -- not terrorism -- is now the primary focus of US national security," Mattis said in his speech, which accompanied the release of an 11-page declassified document outlining the National Defense Strategy in broad terms. A lengthier classified version was submitted to the US Congress, which includes the Pentagon's detailed proposals for a massive increase in military spending. ..."
"... Russia, it charges, is attempting to achieve "veto authority over nations on its periphery in terms of their governmental, economic, and diplomatic decisions, to shatter the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and change European and Middle East security and economic structures to its favor." ..."
"... "China is a strategic competitor using predatory economics to intimidate its neighbors while militarizing features in the South China Sea," it states. "Russia has violated the borders of nearby nations and pursues veto power over the economic, diplomatic, and security decisions of its neighbors." ..."
"... Both Moscow and Beijing issued statements condemning the US defense strategy. A Chinese spokesman denounced the document as a return to a "Cold War mentality." Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, meanwhile, told a United Nations press conference: "It is regrettable that instead of having a normal dialog, instead of using the basis of international law, the US is indeed striving to prove their leadership through such confrontational strategies and concepts." A government spokesman in Moscow characterized the document as "imperialistic." ..."
The long-awaited National Defense Strategy is a vision of US imperialism besieged on all sides and in mortal danger of losing
global dominance.
The Trump administration's defense secretary, former Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis, rolled out a new National Defense Strategy
Friday that signals open preparations by US imperialism for direct military confrontation with nuclear-armed Russia and China.
Speaking at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland, Mattis made clear that the strategy, the first such document to be issued by
the Pentagon in roughly a decade, represented an historic shift from the ostensible justification for US global militarism for nearly
two decades: the so-called war on terrorism.
"Great power competition -- not terrorism -- is now the primary focus of US national security," Mattis said in his speech, which
accompanied the release of an 11-page declassified document outlining the National Defense Strategy in broad terms. A lengthier classified
version was submitted to the US Congress, which includes the Pentagon's detailed proposals for a massive increase in military spending.
Much of the document's language echoed terms used in the National Security Strategy document unveiled last month in a fascistic
speech delivered by President Donald Trump. Mattis insisted that the US was facing "growing threat from revisionist powers as different
as China and Russia, nations that seek to create a world consistent with their authoritarian models."
Russia, it charges, is attempting to achieve "veto authority over nations on its periphery in terms of their governmental, economic,
and diplomatic decisions, to shatter the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and change European and Middle East security and economic
structures to its favor."
"China is a strategic competitor using predatory economics to intimidate its neighbors while militarizing features in the South
China Sea," it states. "Russia has violated the borders of nearby nations and pursues veto power over the economic, diplomatic, and
security decisions of its neighbors."
In what appeared to be a threat directed against both Russia and China, Mattis warned, "If you challenge us, it will be your longest
and worst day."
Both Moscow and Beijing issued statements condemning the US defense strategy. A Chinese spokesman denounced the document as a
return to a "Cold War mentality." Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, meanwhile, told a United Nations press conference: "It
is regrettable that instead of having a normal dialog, instead of using the basis of international law, the US is indeed striving
to prove their leadership through such confrontational strategies and concepts." A government spokesman in Moscow characterized the
document as "imperialistic."
"... Take Nadia Schadlow, for instance. Never heard of her? Unless you've been navigating the rice paddies of Washington's post-9/11 national security enterprise for the last several years, there's no reason you would have. But she has been at the National Security Council since last winter, and is set to replace Dina Powell as deputy national security advisor , at the right hand of NSC chief H.R. McMaster. She was also the lead on the White House National Security Strategy , released last month. ..."
"... This was Schadlow's first position in government. Her résumé includes doctoral degrees from Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) under the tutelage of vocal Never Trumper and Iraq war promoter Eliot Cohen, who runs the largely neoconservative Strategic Studies program there, and whose last book, The Big Stick: The Limits of Soft Power, argued that the U.S., backed by a more robust military, must be the "guardian of a stable world order." ..."
"... What is significant about Schadlow's role in the White House -- she's reportedly a "trusted confidant" of General McMaster, who was lionized in the New Yorker for his T.E. Lawrence approach to counterinsurgency in Tal Afar in 2006 -- is not her bibliography, but her vast connections to Washington's foreign policy and national security clique, especially its neoconservative elite. If one were using the metaphor of chain migration, she would have plenty of friends on either side of the Potomac to tap for high-level placement, consulting, and advice. ..."
"... The foundation has a rich history cleaved to neoconservative pioneers such as Irving Kristol, father of Bill, who in his own memoirs credits the philanthropic institution and its then-director Randall Richardson (heir to the Vicks fortune) with helping him jumpstart the Public Interest, known as the premier neoconservative organ, a label Irving fully embraced . The foundation also served as a key backer of Commentary magazine after Norman Podhoretz took the helm in 1960. ..."
"... Meanwhile, since 1998, the foundation has given over $10 million to the American Enterprise Institute (AEI was built, literally, on Smith Richardson money), which fielded many of the Iraq war architects and promoters, including Frederick Kagan, John Bolton, former vice president Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Eliot Cohen, Michael Ledeen, Joshua Muravchik, David Frum, and Danielle Pletka. ..."
"... No surprise, then, that the worldview of people like Nadia Schadlow is no different from the wider Washington policy orbit that has enjoyed a pipeline of patronage from her former employer. She is not only affiliated with the Foreign Policy Institute, but is a full member of the Council on Foreign Relations. When she was named to the NSC staff in March 2017, along with "Kremlinologist" and former Eurasian Foundation strategist Fiona Hill, national security establishment courtier Thomas Ricks called them both "well-educated, skeptical, and informed. In other words, the opposite of the president they serve." ..."
"... That is why there seemed to be such relief upon the recent release of the Trump administration's National Security Strategy, with Washington scribblers lauding it as " well within the bipartisan mainstream of American foreign policy " and "a well crafted document that should reassure allies and partners." ..."
"... What it actually does is to reinforce Trump's turn towards a harder line against Iran, as evidenced in McMaster's recent speeches . Nikki Haley, ambassador to the UN, is threatening fellow members on the Security Council , and the Trump administration is seen as taking sides with Israel in the fragile Middle East peace process (or what's left if it). Meanwhile, the White House has just given a green light to arming Ukraine against Russia. ..."
"... Washington Post ..."
"... Kelley Beaucar Vlahos is executive editor of ..."
"... Follow her on Twitter @Vlahos_at_TAC. ..."
"... It turns to new parties, this endless Democrat/Republican cycle is a joke. Surely there are no more people out there that can rationally argue for the two party state as being a good setup for America. ..."
"... There is a term soldiers sometimes use to characterize those who have never fought, will never fight, but are nevertheless positive that fighting is the answer to their dissatisfactions. Chickenhawks. ..."
"... The Neocons are a cancer upon the American Body Politik. When Trump was elected I and many others were hopeful that this cancer could be effectively treated, but it could not for the cancer has spread to all vital organs and is terminal and our nation will die because of it. ..."
"... "Neocons?" Actually what they are is Neocoms or Neocommunists. World domination is the name of their game. ..."
"... The folks who thought President Trump would have a less belligerent foreign policy than Sec. Clinton would have deserve as much intellectual sympathy as those who thought that he would lower premiums and increase coverage of ACA. ..."
Over the last year critics have warned of the returning neoconservative influence on the
executive branch's national security apparatus, each day a little less confident that President
Donald Trump will keep to the seeming anti-interventionist impulses he demonstrated during the
2016 campaign.
News flash: We're already there.
Of course the most garish of the pro-war set -- Sebastian Gorka, K.T. McFarland, John Bolton
-- are easy to identify in or on the periphery of Trump's orbit (in Gorka's case, he was cast
out of the White House, only to
flak away in any media outlet that will pay attention). Meanwhile, elite neoconservative
voices like
Bill Kristol and
Max Boot have become darlings of the "Never Trump" cadre, finding new life as conservative
tokens on "Resistance" media like MSNBC.
What has been less obvious, but has become much clearer in these last few months, is that
other neoconservatives are quietly filling the vacuum left by Obama's cadre of liberal
interventionists. Many of them had taken a pass on "Never Trumping" publicly, and are now
popping up at the elbows of top cabinet officials.
Take Nadia Schadlow, for instance. Never heard of her? Unless you've been navigating the
rice paddies of Washington's post-9/11 national security enterprise for the last several years,
there's no reason you would have. But she has been at the National Security Council since last
winter, and is set to replace Dina
Powell as deputy national security advisor , at the right hand of NSC chief H.R. McMaster.
She was also the lead on the White House National Security
Strategy , released last month.
This was Schadlow's first position in government. Her résumé includes
doctoral degrees from Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) under
the tutelage of vocal Never Trumper and Iraq war promoter Eliot Cohen, who runs the largely
neoconservative Strategic Studies program
there, and whose last book, The Big Stick: The Limits of Soft Power, argued that the U.S., backed by a more
robust military, must be the "guardian of a stable world order." In that vein, Schadlow
published a book last year, War and the Art of
Governance , that extols the virtues of long-term military intervention for "achieving
sustainable political outcomes," requiring "the consolidation of combat gains through the
establishment of stable environments." Schadlow has repeated this for
years as a mantra for reordering military strategy in the wake of the disastrous wars she
and her contemporaries helped sustain, in Iraq, Libya, and elsewhere. Call it nation-building
by another name.
In a 2012 Weekly Standardcommentary , she
criticized the Obama administration for saying "the tide of war is receding," and exclaimed
"the line of thinking that now pervades the Pentagon avoids recognizing that combat and the
restoration of political order go hand and hand." While she gives a nod to "civil-military
operational planning and execution," she never utters the words "State Department." No surprise
there, either, since her neocon friends were responsible for the long slide of Foggy Bottom's
resources and influence in favor of military leadership, beginning with the "political
reconciliation" and reconstruction of Iraq, and then Afghanistan.
What is significant about Schadlow's role in the White House -- she's reportedly a
"trusted confidant" of General McMaster, who was lionized in the
New Yorker for his T.E. Lawrence approach to counterinsurgency in Tal Afar in 2006 -- is
not her bibliography, but her vast connections to Washington's foreign policy and national
security clique, especially its neoconservative elite. If one were using the metaphor of chain
migration, she would have plenty of friends on either side of the Potomac to tap for high-level
placement, consulting, and advice.
Why? As recent senior program director for the expansive, multi-million dollar International
Security and Foreign Policy Program under the Smith Richardson
Foundation , she has helped to fund and facilitate countless authors, conferences, think
tanks, and university programs since 9/11, most of which hew to the doctrine of sustained
military intervention towards the goal of U.S. global power and influence. That includes
preemptive war strategy, counterinsurgency, democracy promotion, and the continued push for
bigger military budgets and solutions to regional conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine. If
there was a prominent player in the U.S. security community over the last 20 years, you can bet
Schadlow and Smith Richardson were more often than not connected to him.
But it goes back so much further than that. The foundation has a rich history cleaved to
neoconservative pioneers such as Irving Kristol, father of Bill, who in his own memoirs credits
the philanthropic institution and its then-director Randall Richardson (heir to the Vicks fortune) with helping him
jumpstart the Public Interest, known as the premier neoconservative organ,
a label Irving fully embraced . The foundation also served as a key backer of
Commentary magazine after Norman Podhoretz took the helm in 1960.
It is in international affairs that Smith Richardson has made some of its biggest impacts,
during the
anti-communist Reagan era and into the Middle East conflicts under Presidents Clinton,
Bushes, Obama, and Trump. To say the foundation was involved at every level in the lobbying for
and crafting of the so-called global war on terror after 9/11 would be an understatement.
Example: Former Smith Richardson research director Devon Gaffney Cross became a director of the
Project for a New American Century, the intellectual vehicle that drove the removal of Saddam
Hussein and shaped George W. Bush's foreign policy. In 2000, Cross was listed as one of the
participants in PNAC's seminal treatise,
"Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century." The rest
of the contributors are a who's who of Washington's war theocracy, most of whom have benefitted
from Smith Richardson support.
Meanwhile, since 1998, the foundation has given over $10 million to the American Enterprise
Institute (AEI was built,
literally, on Smith Richardson money), which fielded many of the Iraq war architects and
promoters, including Frederick Kagan, John Bolton, former vice president Dick Cheney, Richard
Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Eliot Cohen, Michael Ledeen, Joshua Muravchik, David Frum, and Danielle
Pletka.
Just as telling is Smith Richardson's continued backing of the Institute for the Study of War , headed by Kimberly
Kagan, wife of Frederick, with whom she was a "de facto advisor"
to General Petraeus for a year as he set about his then-vaunted COIN strategy in
Afghanistan. ISW, chaired by retired General Jack Keane, known as the " godfather
of the surge ," was founded in part by the generosity of Smith Richardson in 2007. It not
only promoted more troops, but an extended occupation in Afghanistan, regime change in
Syria , and ongoing hostilities with Iran. No surprise, then, that ISW has numerous
intertwining relationships with the military and the defense industry. It received $895,000 for
program work from Smith Richardson between 2014 and 2016 alone.
According to Philip Rojc of Inside Philanthropy, other recipients of Smith Richardson grants since 1998
include the the Hudson Institute ($6,032,230), the Jamestown Institute ($5,779,475), the Hoover
Institution ($3,645,314), and the Center for a New American Security ($1,595,000). Totals have
been adjusted to include 2016 numbers.
The last one -- CNAS -- is more indicative of Smith Richardson's broader strategy, in that
it doesn't only give to hardline neoconservative outfits like, say, the Foundation
for the Defense of Democracies (which has received no less than $500,000 since 2014 and
says it helped write Trump's new Iran policy ). On the contrary, Smith Richardson has been
a major patron of the conventional establishment, too, even largely Democratic think tanks like
CNAS, Brookings Institute, and the Carnegie Endowment -- all of which invariably host scholars
and programs that promote America's military-driven global influence, counterinsurgency
doctrine (CNAS was a
virtual hothouse for COIN early in Obama's presidency), and democracy
promotion in places like Russia and Ukraine, a major yet failed project of humanitarian
interventionists in the Obama administration.
No surprise, then, that the worldview of people like Nadia Schadlow is no different from the
wider Washington policy orbit that has enjoyed a pipeline of patronage from her former
employer. She is not only affiliated with the Foreign Policy Institute, but is a full member of
the Council on Foreign Relations. When she was named to the NSC staff in March 2017, along with
"Kremlinologist" and former Eurasian Foundation strategist
Fiona Hill, national security establishment courtier Thomas Ricks called them
both "well-educated, skeptical, and informed. In other words, the opposite of the president
they serve."
You know the "right" kind of operator has arrived in the White House when establishment
commentariat like Ricks and
Josh Rogin get all gushy about their calming, "soft power" influence over Trump, which
sounds like a lot of bunk when you consider their well-documented points of view.
Simply put, after years of cross-pollination brought on by a slush fund of wealthy private
donors like Smith Richardson and an even more eager defense industry, neoconservative views are
no longer distinguishable from the sanctioned goals of the Washington policy establishment.
They are all working, really, as proper stewards of the military-industrial complex, which is
essential for advancing their (sometimes competing) visions of world power politics and
American exceptionalism. There is little room for realism and restraint, as voiced by this
magazine and other critics.
Call it the new "adults in the room," if you want, or peg it as the neoconservative
influence that it is. Strikingly, Dan Drezner writes that the NSS is
"Straussian" in that its "subtext matters at least as much as the text." The preeminent
scholar Leo Strauss is considered one of the key founders of the neoconservative movement, a
fact the Washington Post columnist should be well aware of. Like most of the elites
here in Washington, however, Drezner is trying to have it both ways -- calling it neocon
without have the guts to say it outright.
Kelley Beaucar Vlahos is executive editor of The American Conservative. Follow
her on Twitter @Vlahos_at_TAC.
It is a sad state of affairs when the American people are literally dependent on sane people
in Beijing, Moscow, Ankara, Tehran, and other capitals to keep a completely out of control
neo-con foreign and defense policy establishment from plunging our people on the world into
yet more pointless warfare.
Mainstream media seems "All Neocon." A star studded group of rationalizers. We are being
gently taught to hate what the neocons hate. South Pacific had the recipe. Not for the
reasons intended. Au contraire.
So. Well-heeled foreign interests and interventionists are buying nosebagger politicians and
shaping our foreign policy under Trump, just like they did under Obama, Bush II, and Clinton.
Why do we bother having elections if neocon crap is the only item on the menu?
It's incredible. No matter how often they lie and fail, no matter how many colossally
expensive disasters they cause, someone keeps letting the filth back in. They're as hardy and
resilient as cockroaches, and we need to start dealing with them as such.
Trump 'needs a war' to be re-elected. He knows this and who else to better start one than the
neo-cons?
What is terrifying is that these same people and their ancestors actually attempted to
convince Reagan that the US could win a nuclear war with the Soviet Union. Reagan wisely
chose 'Trust but Verify' over their strongest objections. Trump is a far cry from a
Reagan.
The generations long war to destroy the State Department appears to have completely
obscured the greatest US victory of last century. The defeat of the Soviet Union with little
more than skirmishes.
The gloved fist approach, while frustrating to the military, was a massive success.
Military solutions fail badly. One look at the history of military governments confirms their
abysmal record. Yet, we have an administration preparing for war. Not at all certain, the
people will follow.
Good article. Trump is easily distracted from his (often right) gut feelings on policy
(China, NATO, etc.) by titles: military rank, highbrow think tanks, Wall St. moguls, and
power elites from the Council on Foreign Relations. With no moral compass or basic
understanding of the Constitution or the ways Washington works, he is hapless and his agenda
is hamstrung.
I wondered how far down I'd have to go down in the article before Ukraine and Putin popped
up! It's the usual "let Putin win in Ukraine" propaganda. What astonishes me as a European is
why people who call themselves "conservatives", whom you would naturally expect to be
patriotic, often indeed excessively so, are frantically trying to persuade their fellow
citizens to submit to a foreign power inflicting a humiliating defeat on their country,
possibly the most humiliating that it has ever suffered in its history. I couldn't imagine
Europeans behaving like that.
Interesting article with good info. I believe "the Trump White House" is just continuing the
policies of the past occupants of "The House of Blood."
[More info at link below]
August 9, 2016
The House of Blood
Its color is white but it is red with blood
The residents' name should really be mud
Instead they get fancy honors and titles
Wars for them is a musical recital
The hum of their drones flying through the air
Are killing children without due care
This is hellishly called "collateral damage"
These are the words of the resident savage
Immaculately dressed in a business suit
An eloquent speaker is this callous brute
Surrounded by sycophants and flunkeys too
Evil is what these people plan and do
War and more war is their hellish aim
Are they all devils and bloody insane?
Countries are reduced to smoking rubble
These well-dressed maniacs are big trouble
People are fleeing and dying too
From the hell produced by this satanic crew
Refugees are drowning in deadly waters
Trying to escape the endless slaughters
These helpless victims once had homes
Now they have nothing, and just roam
Helpless, homeless people on the move
With nothing really left to improve
The perpetrators call their crimes "bringing democracy"
Surely creating hell on earth is really hypocrisy
But when criminals rule there is no justice
And law and order is totally corrupted
The war criminals slogan is "responsibility to protect"
They tell that to the people whose countries they wrecked
Those still alive can hear the bombs explode and thud
A hellish "courtesy" from the House of Blood
It turns to new parties, this endless Democrat/Republican cycle is a joke. Surely
there are no more people out there that can rationally argue for the two party state as being
a good setup for America.
There is a term soldiers sometimes use to characterize those who have never fought, will
never fight, but are nevertheless positive that fighting is the answer to their
dissatisfactions. Chickenhawks.
The Neocons are a cancer upon the American Body Politik. When Trump was elected I and
many others were hopeful that this cancer could be effectively treated, but it could not for
the cancer has spread to all vital organs and is terminal and our nation will die because of
it.
Trump won with a coalition of conservative and populist support. The two partners agree on
judges, but not too much else. For those of the latter persuasion, you at least have a seat
at the table in the current administration (thank you, Lord, for Stephen Miller!) Populists
need to run candidates at all levels and start to groom future leaders. Somebody with Rand
Paul's FP views and Tom Cotton's immigration views would be perfect.
@Michael Kenny,
Why should America care what Putin wins in Ukraine? Why doesn't the EU fight its own battles?
Go on, oppose Putin. You have more to lose than America does.
The folks who thought President Trump would have a less belligerent foreign policy than
Sec. Clinton would have deserve as much intellectual sympathy as those who thought that he
would lower premiums and increase coverage of ACA.
Shortly before panicked Hawaiians stuffed children into storm drains and said their goodbyes on the
morning of January 13, an unnamed employee at the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency (H-EMA)
accidentally selected the wrong dropdown menu choice
, resulting in a live broadcast to the
cell phones of Hawaii residents and tourists which read "
BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO
HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL
," according to officials.
Around 8:05 a.m., the Hawaii emergency employee initiated the internal test, according to a
timeline released by the state. From a drop-down menu on a computer program,
he saw two
options: "Test missile alert" and "Missile alert."
He was supposed to choose the former;
as much of the world now knows, he chose the latter, an initiation of a real-life missile alert.
At 8:07, the alert went out, with a more detailed message scrolling across television screens,
reading:
"Civil authority has issued A CIVIL DANGER WARNING for the following counties or areas: Hawaii:
At 8:07 AM on Jan 13, 2018... Message from IPAWSCAP. The U.S. Pacific Command has detected a
missile threat to Hawaii. A missile may impact on land or sea within minutes. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
If you are indoors, stay indoors. If you are outdoors, seek immediate shelter in a building. Remain
indoors well away from windows. If you are driving, pull safely to the side of the road and seek
shelter in a building or lay on the floor."
38 minutes later,
a wireless alert went out letting people know "There is no
missile threat or danger to the State of Hawaii. Repeat. False Alarm."
By then it was too late: the fake warning had ignited mass panic among residents - many of whom
thought they had minutes to live. One resident had a little girl get into a manhole during the
threat.
Authorities were apologetic, with Governor David Ige (D) apologizing for the "pain and confusion"
caused by accidentally telling millions of people death was imminent, saying in a press conference "
a
mistake made during a standard procedure at the changeover of a shift and an employee pushed the wrong
button."
The following day, there were far more questions than answers. Brand new FCC Chairman Ajit Pai said
the alert was "absolutely unacceptable," and that a full investigation was underway. Pai seemed to
initially lay blame at state officials for the mistake.
"Based on the information we have collected so far, it appears that the government of Hawaii did
not have reasonable safeguards or process controls in place to prevent the transmission of a false
alert," said Pai, adding "Federal, state, and local officials throughout the country need to work
together to identify any vulnerabilities to false alerts and do what's necessary to fix them. We also
must ensure that corrections are issued immediately in the event that a false alert does go out."
Technical Difficulties
A major factor in the 38 minute gap between the erroneous warning and the subsequent "false alarm"
alert was the fact that while the state has permission from FEMA to
issue
the emergency
broadcast, there is no system in place to send out a subsequent "false alarm" alert.
"We had to double back and work with FEMA [to craft and approve the false alarm alert] and that's
what took time," said HEMA spokesman Richard Rapoza.
Rapoza says that has now been remedied with a cancellation option that can be selected within
seconds of a mistake. "In the past there was no cancellation button. There was no false alarm button
at all," Rapoza said. "Now there is a command to issue a message immediately that goes over on the
same system saying 'It's a false alarm. Please disregard.' as soon as the mistake is identified."
The Emergency Management Agency also said it suspended all drills until the completion of their
investigation, as well as a
"two-person activation/verification rule"
to initiate
tests and missile launch notifications.
According to the
Washington Post,
"The agency said it would issue a preliminary report of
findings and corrective actions next week.
The employee in question has been temporarily
reassigned, Rapoza said, but there are no plans to fire him
.
"Part of the problem was it was too easy -- for anyone -- to make such a big mistake," Rapoza said.
"We have to make sure that we're not looking for retribution, but we should be fixing the problems in
the system. . . . I know that it's a very, very difficult situation for him."
Of course no one is going to get fired. Most government "jobs" are
nothing more than welfare. Turd counters collecting checks. This guy
probably saw the word "test" and said, ain't no way I am takin' a test
today.
Don't be so harsh on the guy. He was probably petting his
therapy puppy and reading "How to Properly Punch a Nzai," and
by axident hit the wrong button.
Lets face it, all those words on the screen are confusing!
I'm making over $14k a month working part time. I kept
hearing other people tell me how much money they can make
online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true
and has totally changed my life. This is what I do...
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It was a rioting test, plain and simple. See what
people do when they think they are going to be dead
real soon. Please notice this did not happen
stateside where the panic could not have been
contained to a few islands.
More to this than that. This is from Moon of
Alabama. Action precedes the official timeline.
Many of us did not receive a missile attack
message at all. This was not due to lack of
cell phone reception. Their phones worked,
but they were not alerted. They also use
the same provider.
Then, alert messages were different. Some
said that the ballistic missile threat
would expire at 6pm. Right.
Here are my own experiences. You be the
judge:
Driving towards Pahoa and reaching the
High School intersection, I saw cops
coming from the Kalapana direction with
lights and sirens on. They stopped at
every pulled over vehicle to talk to
the driver.
Then they turned into Pahoa road and
I also pulled to the side of the road,
thinking whom they are after this time.
I had just turned down the radio, where
HPR had started the news. That was at
8:01 AM.
The cop told me (both of his windows were
rolled down):
"The guy in North Korea has fired three
missiles at us. You should go home and
stay with your family."
He drove off to Paul's gas station to
talk to other drivers. His co-cop did
the same at the propane place.
My first thought was "That's bullshit."
Cops driving around talking to folks
individually while the ICBM's are
homing in. It would take those things
20 minutes to hit their target.
Fuck that shit, I am going to have
breakfast as intended. Should that
be true, I had at least a last break fast.
At the store the news had already created
panic among those who are easily manipulated.
The hysteria was quite impressive and my
reassuring them that things are okay went
in the one ear and out the other.
Mind you that I know these people for years
and I am well known for being level headed.
I get my breakfast and sit outside. A few
other guys are rolling in. Then, at 8:07 AM,
the emergency alert appears on our phones.
Those who knew, were all filled in by the
cops BEFORE the alert.
The alert caused the store to close. I did
my best to calm people down. Explaining to
them that they should listen to their body,
instead to anything the government says.
George Carlin's made that clear a long time
ago.
But people are now so disconnected from the
'Here and Now' have been so propagandized
and brainwashed, that they are incapable
to keep cool and THINK.
IF that would have been the real McCoy,
we would have had twenty minutes left
from the time the cops 'informed' people.
Then, when it became apparent that it was
bullshit, the cops drove around and appeared
to be taking license plates of those who did
not panic, but have breakfast instead.
Around 8:30 AM, Tulsi Gabbard's tweets had
made it around enough for people to calm
down somewhat.
I'm actually kind of amazed that they
actually have a missile warning system at
all. I always assumed that we'd find out
that kind of thing when the flash came.
If legit, the post is enough evidence to know
the whole thing was absolutely intentional.
Some sort of exercise. As we know,
"exercises" seem to be accompanied by the
real thing with uncommon frequency. It's a
marker for false flags. If you're not
wondering whether some serious shit wasn't
actually happening over there, you belong on
HuffPo, not the Hedge.
Should have been more like MS Windows> "Are you sure you
want to proceed?" > 'Are you really, really sure?" >
"Press ESC-CTRL-HELLYES to continue" > "Are you sure?"
Yes, like a huge, red, flashing and audible warning
stating 'warning, submitting this drop down option will
open all manhole covers and cause certain residents to
believe cowering under a car will shield them from an
inbound thermonuclear warhead'.. that would work. I'm
all for it.
That assumes you are familiar with the software and
protocols. It is highly unlikely that this sort of thing
would be a one screen event, given that just to purchase
a $1 item online has a confirmation screen, even two.
It is also highly probable the state protocols require
not only a second screen, but a second person. "bad
software" ... you just earned a troll point on ZH.
Congratulations!
More to the point, having the test and real alerts in the
same drop-down menu, is asking for a mis-click. Also,
having a stereotype "Are you sure?" popup is asking for
the average moron to click right through and realize his
mistake afterwards.
Come on now - how many of us have
shut down or rebooted something important by mistake
because we thought the "Are you sure?" was a response to
something different, like "Save configuration" or "Send
coffee and donuts."
That's just plain bad software design by people who
didn't think about the consequences of making the "Nuke
Alert" button exactly like any other. Try this:
Missile Alert button pops up a panel with a Big Red
"Live alert NOW" button, an Amber "this is a drill"
button, and a green "Send the All Clear" button. If you
hit the "Live alert NOW" button, you get a very lurid
confirmation panel with something like "LIVE MISSILE
ALERT WILL BE SENT - ARE YOU SURE??" this confirmation
panel should be ENTIRELY different from the "just a
drill" confirmation, and not at all like any standard
confirmation panel. The confirmation popup should occupy
most of the screen, and the big red "YES" and the Green
"CANCEL" buttons should be large enough and well
separated enough to avoid any possible wrong selection.
Yes, folks, when it comes to emergency alert buttons,
it is time to "lift and separate 'em" so there is no
mistake what you are touching!!
Why is this function not under the control of the military. Any
alert would come from the military anyway. Civilians don't have
the knowhow to maintain such a system. Hawaii put that on clear
display.
Procedures are probably antiquated and should be reviewed by
improved process standards. This is how things get better in all
industries. When an incident occurs, root cause is reviewed and a
process to prevent a re-occurrence. For equipment, methods of
increasing reliability, and remedies for failures, you train it
out, engineer it out or replace it.
Human error is due to lack
of training or inadequate program. Management is responsible as it
is in any industry and should review the current training program
and testing. Management, a CEO was forced to resign for an
altercation on a plane where a passenger was seriously injured by
security. He sued and won compensation. It's no different in any
industry.
Fair enough. But if you read the main article, the suggested
fix was to ad another layer of bureaucracy to the process.
That is always the proffered solution to any governmental
process failure. It fixes nothing, but eventually so many
people and committees are involved in the process that nobody
can be found to take the blame, and job security is maximized.
Note, also, that it took 38 minutes to issue the correction
because the workers were too scared of maybe violating some
unknown rules and regulations by taking charge and doing the
obvious retraction immediately. I can see them sweating
bullets while pouring over their regulatory manuals looking for
a mandated procedure which would tell them exactly how to do a
retraction of an erroneous doomsday proclamation.
I can readily see the implementation of a "fix" that will
require the participation of many other government employees
before the warning gets issued, and create a policy which, when
followed step-by-careful step, results in the warning being
issued about 30 minutes after the missile has arrived.
Not that it matters. The lucky ones will already be
incinerated by then.
That's what Gov't is all
about and why they are inefficient and expensive. There are
many patronage jobs in Gov't. They don't always hire the
brightest people, but ones that might be connected or
related in someway with a higher ups in management.
So it's not a failure attributed to the employee, but the
structure and it's inability to remove all probabilities of
failure. Nothing was fixed by firing the individual, but it
satisfies upper management that a remedy was implemented?
The Guy's manager is responsible for the failure.
As a manager it was my responsibility to ensure my
people's training records were up to date. If there were any
gaps, it was my fault. Any failures were investigated to
determine root cause of failure and training records of the
individual were part of the investigation.
Hawaii is a real libtard and amazingly corrupt shithole. Endless
years if using HI to import illegals, scammy C*I*A shit through Bank
of Hawaii, Bishop Land Trust scam and military scam shit.
Govt
worker presses the wrong button and keeps their job? LOL! What a
joke.
The retards on the islands including wealthy libs and actors all
go into a panic actually believing NK would launch a nuke at HI or
even have the technology to do it. SUCKERS.
There was an incident at a bakery here where an individual was
inside a dough kneading machine working on the agitator. An
operator came and started the machine killing the mechanic inside.
The operator was not fired nor charged with murder. The result of
the investigation was that it was the mechanics fault for not
following lock out, tag out procedures. They will review the
procedures to see if they are adequate for both persons involved,
operators and mechanics. They might add, if it isn't in there,
that the operator do a pre-start inspection of the equipment for
his safety as well.
No need to fire people for making a mistake
without reviewing current procedures. Pilots make mistakes as well
and when they miscalculate, people die. The transportation
ministry does an extensive review on the cause of failure. They
don't just fire the pilot on the spot. In a non union environment
the company can just fire you even if it was a deficiency of the
company's part. They'll fix their deficiency but won't call you
back and apologize to you and offer you yoar job back. Firing
someone will not prevent a repeat of the incident if it's the
process or training that is inadequate.
Unions ensure fair treatment in the work place. They don't
protect bad employees and their membership are people like you.
They don't support anyone that doesn't perform his duties either.
They'll report it to their union Stewart and they will issue a
warning and or termination if it is on going. Terminations have to
have an adequate reason not because there is a personality
conflict between you and someone above you, that has moar say or
is connected to upper management. I've seen people baited, so that
they can fire them.
Root cause of failure investigations are very valuable in
preventing re-occurrences of negative events.
I am Canadian, but I honestly don't recall ever posting the
incident. I've been in the maintenance and reliability field
over 40 years. So I follow industrial accidents and see how
they are handled. It's still of interest to me.
That's a misconception flaunted by MSM. The corporatocracy hates
it when the slaves have something to say or the corporatocracy
can't kick people around, hire and fire without just cause. Fire
you and hire a nephew or brother in law. A union request fair
treatment and by labor standards set forth by the Gov't. If you
were in a union and there was a Guy that was sitting in the
washroom reading the paper all day, wouldn't you complain? Sure
you would. Go to yoar union Stewart and tell him. They'll deal
with him. If it continues, the company will fire him and the union
won't contest it. I don't know why people get the impression that
the unions support undesirables. They manage the employees for
management, especially the thousands in the auto industry.
Management has to only deal with the union reps not every employee
one at a time. I've work in union environments and I prefer not
to, because I like direct contact with management and a
partnership. Some employers are real assholes and I've worked in
those places. Drive 30 miles to work and they tell you that
they're not busy today so you can go home. Want a job tomorrow?
Ya, keep yoar mouth shut, is best. Not busy today, you clock out
early. Our regular hours are 44/week before OT. No paid lunch, no
benefits. No sick pay. 2 weeks vacation, never moar. If I don't
like yoar tattoos yoar fired, the boss said so.
Interesting that no one thought to put in some kind of check: "Are
you absolutely sure you want to cause chaos and confusion, and
frighten the living whatsits out of everyone?"
I imagine all around
the world these alert messages are getting re-engineered today, with
a little dialogue box added - "Are you a) absolutely, definitely, all
going to die, or b) a muppet?"
Institute for Policy Studies Co-founder Marcus Raskin will be remembered, among many other
noteworthy achievements, for coining the term "national security state." In congressional
testimony in 1967, he used the phrase to describe the complex web of war institutions he feared
would drive continuous conflict abroad while turning the United States into a "garrison and
launching pad for nuclear war."
Raskin died on December 24, 2017, at age 83 -- just as the current president of the United
States was about to make nuclear threats via Twitter. And as for his fears about the country
becoming a garrison, Raskin wasn't far off. Over the five decades after Raskin's testimony, the
number of inmates in U.S. state and federal prisons grew from 188,000 to 1.5 million , with the vast majority of them
poor and people of color.
While progressive activists have tended to treat these issues separately, Raskin
consistently connected the dots between America's military adventures overseas and economic and
racial injustice at home.
In a 2008 book with Robert Spero, for example, he used President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's
"four essential human freedoms" as a clever frame for exposing the extent to which the national
security state had accelerated poverty and inequality while undermining other basic rights.
Roosevelt laid out these four freedoms in his 1941 State of the Union address. They included
freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from want, and freedom from fear. FDR's notion
of "freedom from want" built on this famous line from his 1937 inaugural address: "The test of
our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether
we provide enough for those who have too little."
Institute for Policy Studies Co-founder Marcus Raskin will be remembered, among many other
noteworthy achievements, for coining the term "national security state." In congressional
testimony in 1967, he used the phrase to describe the complex web of war institutions he feared
would drive continuous conflict abroad while turning the United States into a "garrison and
launching pad for nuclear war."
Raskin died on December 24, 2017, at age 83 -- just as the current President of the United
States was about to make nuclear threats via Twitter. And as for his fears about the country
becoming a garrison, Raskin wasn't far off. Over the five decades after Raskin's testimony, the
number of inmates in U.S. state and federal prisons grew from 188,000 to 1.5 million , with the vast majority of them
poor and people of color.
While progressive activists have tended to treat these issues separately, Raskin
consistently connected the dots between America's military adventures overseas and economic and
racial injustice at home.
In a 2008 book with Robert Spero, for example, he used President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's
"four essential human freedoms" as a clever frame for exposing the extent to which the national
security state had accelerated poverty and inequality while undermining other basic rights.
Roosevelt laid out these four freedoms in his 1941 State of the Union address. They included
freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from want, and freedom from fear. FDR's notion
of "freedom from want" built on this famous line from his 1937 inaugural address: "The test of
our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether
we provide enough for those who have too little."
In Four Freedoms Under Siege , Raskin and Spero concede that the Cold War
superpower rivalry did contribute to some progress towards Roosevelt's dream of freedom from
want. Raskin was a young aide in Kennedy's National Security Council during a period of high
tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union that were playing out with deadly
consequences in Cuba, Vietnam, and elsewhere.
And while he was horrified by the existential threat posed by the superpower standoff,
Raskin later recognized that the competition with the Soviet Union did give a boost to the U.S.
labor unions and other forces that were pushing for progressive economic reforms.
The elites, Raskin and Spero explained, feared that movements for "social and economic
justice, from rhetoric to out-and-out radicalism, would transform the power structure in such a
way as to open up the society to democracy that displaces overlapping economic oligarchies. The
right, especially big business, also feared that this would be just the prelude to the
redistribution of resources, or at least access to them."
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Raskin and Spero point out, "people at the top no
longer had to concern themselves with the people at the bottom." And the permanence of the
national security state obliterated any hope of a post-Cold War "peace dividend" that could've
helped realize FDR's dream of freedom from want.
Raskin and Spero wrote their book during the militarily aggressive administration of
President George W. Bush. As Halliburton and other private military contractors lined up to
feed at the Iraq War trough, the period perfectly illustrated the danger of a war economy
without end.
"This kind of 'let 'er rip' corruption policy did not originate with Bush II conservatives,"
Raskin and Spero wrote, "but they pushed the idea of a corporate controlled state to the limit
as a partner to military expansion."
In his final weeks, Marc Raskin was excited to learn about plans for a Poor People's Campaign that, like his own work,
will take on the inter-connected problems of the War Economy, poverty, racism, and ecological
devastation.
The campaign will mark the 50th anniversary of a similar effort led by the Rev. Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr. and other leaders who saw the need to build on the civil rights cause by
tackling the militarism that had led to the Vietnam War and the poverty that plagued too many
Americans of all races. Back then in 1968, Institute for Policy Studies staff included leaders
of both the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements. Raskin himself was indicted that year
for conspiracy to aid resistance to the draft.
The new Poor People's Campaign, led by two prominent faith leaders -- the Rev. Liz Theoharis
and the Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II -- held a kick-off event in Washington on December 4. The
Institute for Policy Studies prepared a report for
the launch that includes data on each of the campaign's focus areas. Theoharis and Barber
announced plans for a historic 40-day wave of civil disobedience across the country in the
spring of 2018, culminating in a mass demonstration in the capital in June.
At a December 12 follow-up meeting at the Institute for Policy Studies, Raskin asked one of
the lead organizers of the new Poor People's Campaign who they expect to be their strongest
opponents. From his six decades of experience in Washington, he had a keen sense of the
challenges ahead. Sarah Anderson directs the Global Economy Project at the Institute for
Policy Studies and is a co-editor of Inequality.org.
"... What's puzzling is why that capacity for outrage and demand for accountability doesn't extend to our now well-established penchant for waging war across much of the planet. ..."
"... Compare their culpability to that of the high-ranking officials who have presided over or promoted this country's various military misadventures of the present century. Those wars have, of course, resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and will ultimately cost American taxpayers many trillions of dollars. Nor have those costly military efforts eliminated "terrorism," as President George W. Bush promised back when today's G.I.s were still in diapers. ..."
"... Bush told us that, through war, the United States would spread freedom and democracy. Instead, our wars have sown disorder and instability, creating failing or failed states across the Greater Middle East and Africa. In their wake have sprung up ever more, not fewer, jihadist groups, while acts of terror are soaring globally. These are indisputable facts. ..."
"... For starters, there is no "new strategy." Trump's generals, apparently with a nod from their putative boss, are merely modifying the old "strategy," which was itself an outgrowth of previous strategies tried, found wanting, and eventually discarded before being rebranded and eventually recycled. ..."
"... Thus far, Trump's interventionism has been a fragment of what the Hillary campaign promised. ..."
"... This is the center of a world empire. It maintains a gigantic military which virtually never stops fighting wars, none of them having anything to do with defense. It has created an intelligence monstrosity which makes old outfits like Stazi seem almost quaint, and it spies on everyone. Indeed, it maintains seventeen national security establishments, as though you can never have too much of a good thing. And some of these guys, too, are engaged full-time in forms of covert war, from fomenting trouble in other lands and interfering in elections to overthrowing governments. ..."
"... It's unlikely that the USA would be remaining in Afghanistan if its goals were not being attained. So the author has merely shown that the stated goals cannot be the real goals. What then are the real goals? I propose two: 1) establish a permanent military presence on a Russian border; 2) finance it with the heroin trade. Given other actions of the Empire around the globe, the first goal is obvious. The bombing of mud huts containing competitors' drug labs, conjoined with the fact that we do not destroy the actual poppy fields (obvious green targets in an immense ocean of brown) make this goal rather obvious as well. The rest of the article is simply more evidence that the Empire does not include mere human tragedy in its profit calculation. ..."
"... Andrew Bacevich calls for a Weinstein moment without realizing that it already happened more than ten years ago. The 2006 midterm elections were the first Weinstein moment, which saw the American people deliver a huge outpouring of antiwar sentiment that inflicted significant congressional losses on the neocon Republicans of George W. Bush. ..."
What makes a Harvey Weinstein moment? The now-disgraced Hollywood mogul is hardly the first
powerful man to stand accused of having abused women. The Harveys who preceded Harvey himself
are legion, their prominence matching or exceeding his own and the misdeeds with which they
were charged at least as reprehensible.
In the relatively recent past, a roster of prominent offenders would include Bill Clinton,
Bill Cosby, Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, and, of course, Donald Trump. Throw in various jocks,
maestros, senior military officers, members of the professoriate and you end up with quite a
list. Yet in virtually all such cases, the alleged transgressions were treated as instances of
individual misconduct, egregious perhaps but possessing at best transitory political
resonance.
All that, though, was pre-Harvey. As far as male sexual hijinks are concerned, we might
compare Weinstein's epic fall from grace to the stock market crash of 1929: one week it's the
anything-goes Roaring Twenties, the next we're smack dab in a Great Depression.
How profound is the change? Up here in Massachusetts where I live, we've spent the past year
marking John F. Kennedy's 100th birthday. If Kennedy were still around to join in the
festivities, it would be as a Class A sex offender. Rarely in American history has the cultural
landscape shifted so quickly or so radically.
In our post-Harvey world, men charged with sexual misconduct are guilty until proven
innocent, all crimes are capital offenses, and there exists no statute of limitations. Once a
largely empty corporate slogan, "zero tolerance" has become a battle cry.
All of this serves as a reminder that, on some matters at least, the American people retain
an admirable capacity for outrage. We can distinguish between the tolerable and the
intolerable. And we can demand accountability of powerful individuals and
institutions.
Everything They Need to Win (Again!)
What's puzzling is why that capacity for outrage and demand for accountability doesn't
extend to our now well-established penchant for waging war across much of the planet.
In no way would I wish to minimize the pain, suffering, and humiliation of the women preyed
upon by the various reprobates now getting their belated comeuppance. But to judge from
published accounts, the women (and in some cases, men) abused by Weinstein, Louis C.K., Mark
Halperin, Leon Wieseltier, Kevin Spacey, Al Franken, Charlie Rose, Matt Lauer, Garrison
Keillor, my West Point classmate Judge Roy Moore, and their compadres at least managed
to survive their encounters. None of the perpetrators are charged with having committed murder.
No one died.
Compare their culpability to that of the high-ranking officials who have presided over or
promoted this country's various military misadventures of the present century. Those wars have,
of course, resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and will
ultimately cost American taxpayers many
trillions of dollars. Nor have those costly military efforts eliminated "terrorism," as
President George W. Bush promised back when today's G.I.s were still in diapers.
Bush told us that, through war, the United States would spread freedom and democracy.
Instead, our wars have sown disorder and instability, creating failing or failed states across
the Greater Middle East and Africa. In their wake have sprung up ever more, not fewer, jihadist
groups, while acts
of terror are soaring globally. These are indisputable facts.
It discomfits me to reiterate this mournful litany of truths. I feel a bit like the doctor
telling the lifelong smoker with stage-four lung cancer that an addiction to cigarettes is
adversely affecting his health. His mute response: I know and I don't care. Nothing the doc
says is going to budge the smoker from his habit. You go through the motions, but wonder
why.
In a similar fashion, war has become a habit to which the United States is addicted. Except
for the terminally distracted, most of us know that. We also know -- wecannot not
know -- that, in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, U.S. forces have been unable to
accomplish their assigned mission, despite more than 16 years of fighting in the former and
more than a decade in the latter.
It's not exactly a good news story, to put it mildly. So forgive me for saying it (
yet again ), but most of us simply don't care, which means that we continue to allow a free
hand to those who preside over those wars, while treating with respect the views of pundits and
media personalities who persist in promoting them. What's past doesn't count; we prefer to
sustain the pretense that tomorrow is pregnant with possibilities. Victory lies just around the
corner.
By way of example, consider a
recent article in U.S. News and World Report. The headline: "Victory or Failure in
Afghanistan: 2018 Will Be the Deciding Year." The title suggests a balance absent from the text
that follows, which reads like a Pentagon press release. Here in its entirety is the nut graf
(my own emphasis added):
"Armed with a new strategy and renewed support from old allies, the Trump
administration now believes it has everything it needs to win the war in Afghanistan.
Top military advisers all the way up to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis say they can accomplish
what two previous administrations and multiple troop surges could not: the defeat of the
Taliban by Western-backed local forces, a negotiated peace and the establishment of a
popularly supported government in Kabul capable of keeping the country from once again becoming
a haven to any terrorist group."
Now if you buy this, you'll believe that Harvey Weinstein has learned his lesson and can be
trusted to interview young actresses while wearing his bathrobe.
For starters, there is no "new strategy." Trump's generals, apparently with a nod from their
putative boss, are merely modifying the old "strategy," which was itself an outgrowth of
previous strategies tried, found wanting, and eventually discarded before being rebranded and
eventually recycled.
Short of using nuclear weapons, U.S. forces fighting in Afghanistan over the past decade and
a half have experimented with just about every approach imaginable: invasion, regime change,
occupation, nation-building, pacification, decapitation, counterterrorism, and
counterinsurgency, not to mention various surges ,
differing in scope and duration. We have had a big troop presence and a smaller one, more
bombing and less, restrictive rules of engagement and permissive ones. In the military
equivalent of throwing in the kitchen sink, a U.S. Special Operations Command four-engine prop
plane recently deposited the largest non-nuclear weapon in the American arsenal on a cave
complex in eastern Afghanistan. Although that MOAB made a big
boom, no offer of enemy surrender materialized.
$65
billion in U.S. taxpayer dollars. And under the circumstances, consider that a mere down
payment.
According to General John Nicholson, our
17th commander in Kabul since 2001, the efforts devised and implemented by his many
predecessors have resulted in a "stalemate" -- a generous interpretation given that the Taliban
presently controls more
territory than it has held since the U.S. invasion. Officers no less capable than Nicholson
himself, David Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal among them, didn't get it done. Nicholson's
argument: trust me.
In essence, the "new strategy" devised by Trump's generals, Secretary of Defense Mattis and
Nicholson among them, amounts to this: persist a tad longer with a tad more. A modest uptick in
the number of U.S. and allied
troops on the ground will provide more trainers, advisers, and motivators to work with and
accompany their Afghan counterparts in the field. The Mattis/Nicholson plan also envisions an
increasing number of air strikes, signaled by the recent use of B-52s to attack illicit
Taliban "
drug labs ," a scenario that Stanley Kubrick himself would have been hard-pressed to
imagine.
Notwithstanding the novelty of using strategic bombers to destroy mud huts, there's not a
lot new here. Dating back to 2001, coalition forces have already dropped tens of thousands of
bombs in Afghanistan. Almost as soon as the Taliban were ousted from Kabul, coalition efforts
to create effective Afghan security forces commenced. So, too, did attempts to reduce the
production of the opium that has funded the Taliban insurgency, alas with essentially
no effect whatsoever . What Trump's generals want a gullible public (and astonishingly
gullible and inattentive members of Congress) to believe is that this time they've somehow
devised a formula for getting it right.
Turning the Corner
With his trademark capacity to intuit success, President Trump already sees clear evidence
of progress. "We're not fighting anymore to just walk around," he remarked in his
Thanksgiving message to the troops. "We're fighting to win. And you people [have] turned it
around over the last three to four months like nobody has seen." The president, we may note,
has yet to visit Afghanistan.
I'm guessing that the commander-in-chief is oblivious to the fact that, in U.S. military
circles, the term winning has acquired notable elasticity. Trump may think that it
implies vanquishing the enemy -- white flags and surrender ceremonies on the U.S.S. Missouri . General Nicholson knows better. "Winning," the field commander
says , "means delivering a negotiated settlement that reduces the level of violence and
protecting the homeland." (Take that definition at face value and we can belatedly move Vietnam
into the win column!)
Should we be surprised that Trump's generals, unconsciously imitating General William
Westmoreland a half-century ago, claim once again to detect light at the end of the tunnel? Not
at all. Mattis and Nicholson (along with White House Chief of Staff John Kelly and National
Security Adviser H.R. McMaster) are following the Harvey Weinstein playbook: keep doing it
until they make you stop. Indeed, with what can only be described as chutzpah, Nicholson
himself recently announced that we have "
turned the corner " in Afghanistan. In doing so, of course, he is counting on Americans not
to recall the various war managers, military and civilian alike, who have made identical claims
going back years now, among them Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta in 2012
.
From on high, assurances of progress; in the field, results that, year after year, come
nowhere near what's promised; on the homefront, an astonishingly credulous public. The war in
Afghanistan has long since settled into a melancholy and seemingly permanent rhythm.
The fact is that the individuals entrusted by President Trump to direct U.S. policy believe
with iron certainty that difficult political problems will yield to armed might properly
employed. That proposition is one to which generals like Mattis and Nicholson have devoted a
considerable part of their lives, not just in Afghanistan but across much of the Islamic world.
They are no more likely to question the validity of that proposition than the Pope is to
entertain second thoughts about the divinity of Jesus Christ.
In Afghanistan, their entire worldview -- not to mention the status and clout of the officer
corps they represent -- is at stake. No matter how long the war there lasts, no matter how many
"
generations " it takes, no matter how much blood is shed to no purpose, and no matter how
much money is wasted, they will never admit to failure -- nor will any of the
militarists-in-mufti cheering them on from the sidelines in Washington, Donald Trump not the
least among them.
Meanwhile, the great majority of the American people, their attention directed elsewhere --
it's the season for holiday shopping, after all -- remain studiously indifferent to the charade
being played out before their eyes.
It took a succession of high-profile scandals before Americans truly woke up to the plague
of sexual harassment and assault. How long will it take before the public concludes that they
have had enough of wars that don't work? Here's hoping it's before our president, in a moment
of ill temper, unleashes "
fire and fury " on the world.
It's astonishing to see people make the claim that "victory" is possible in Afghanistan.
Could they actually believe this or are they lying in order to drag this out even longer and
keep the money pit working overtime? These are individuals that are highly placed and so
should know better. It's not really a war but an occupation with the native insurgents
fighting to oust the foreign occupier. The US has tried every trick there is in trying to
tamp down the insurgency. They know what we're trying to do and can thwart us at every step.
The US lost even as it began it's invasion there but didn't know it yet in the wake of it's
initial success in scattering the Taliban, not even a real army and not even a real state.
They live there and we don't; they can resist for the next thirty years or fifty years. When
does the multi-billion bill come due and how will we pay it?
"How long will it take before the public concludes that they have had enough of wars that
don't work?"
It already happened, but Progressives like you failed to note that Republican voters
subbed the Bush clan and their various associates for Trump in the Primary season, precisely
because he called the Iraq and Afghan wars mistakes. The Americans suffer under a two party
establishment that is clearly antagonistic to their interests. As a part of that regime, a
dutiful Progressive toad, you continue to peddle the lie that it was the war-weary White
Americans who celebrated those wars. In reality, any such support was ginned up from tools
like you who wrote puff pieces for their Neocon Progressive masters.
Thus far, Trump's interventionism has been a fragment of what the Hillary campaign
promised. Might you count that among your lucky stars? Fat chance. You cretinous Progressive
filth have no such spine upon which to base an independent thought. You trot out the same old
tiresome tropes week after week fulfilling your designated propagandist duty and then you
skulk back to your den of iniquity to prepare another salvo of agitprop. What a miserable
existence.
This is the center of a world empire. It maintains a gigantic military which virtually never
stops fighting wars, none of them having anything to do with defense. It has created an
intelligence monstrosity which makes old outfits like Stazi seem almost quaint, and it spies
on everyone. Indeed, it maintains seventeen national security establishments, as though you
can never have too much of a good thing. And some of these guys, too, are engaged full-time
in forms of covert war, from fomenting trouble in other lands and interfering in elections to
overthrowing governments.
Obama ended up killing more people than any dictator or demagogue of this generation on
earth you care to name, several hundred thousand of them in his eight years. And he found new
ways to kill, too, as by creating the world's first industrial-scale extrajudicial killing
operation. Here he signs off on "kill lists," placed in his Oval Office in-box, to murder
people he has never seen, people who enjoy no legal rights or protections. His signed orders
are carried out by uniformed thugs working at computer screens in secure basements where they
proceed to play computer games with real live humans as their targets, again killing or
maiming people they have never seen.
If you ever have wondered where all the enabling workers came from in places like Stalin's
Gulag or Hitler's concentration camps, well, here is your answer. American itself produces
platoons of such people. You could find them working at Guantanamo and in the far-flung
string of secret torture facilities the CIA ran for years, and you could find them in places
like Fallujah or Samarra or Abu Ghraib, at the CIA's basement game arcade killing centers,
and even all over the streets of America dressed as police who shoot unarmed people every
day, sometimes in the back.
ZOG has now asserted the right to kill anyone, anywhere, anytime, for any reason. No trial,
no hearing, no witnesses, no defense, no nothing. Is this actually legal? Any constitutional
lawyers out there care to comment? Has ZOG now achieved the status of an all-powerful
all-knowing deity with the power of life and death over all living things?
It's unlikely that the USA would be remaining in Afghanistan if its goals were not being
attained. So the author has merely shown that the stated goals cannot be the real goals. What
then are the real goals? I propose two: 1) establish a permanent military presence on a
Russian border; 2) finance it with the heroin trade. Given other actions of the Empire around
the globe, the first goal is obvious. The bombing of mud huts containing competitors' drug
labs, conjoined with the fact that we do not destroy the actual poppy fields (obvious green
targets in an immense ocean of brown) make this goal rather obvious as well. The rest of the
article is simply more evidence that the Empire does not include mere human tragedy in its
profit calculation.
The Native Born White American Working Class Teenage Male Population used as CANNON FODDER
for Congressman Steven Solarz's and Donald Trump's very precious Jewish only Israel .
Israel and the deep state did the attack on 911 and thus set the table for the wars in
Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya and Syria and the Zionist neocons who control every facet of
the U.S. gov and the MSM and the MIC and the FED ie the BANKS set in motion the blood
sacrifice for their Zionist god SATAN, that is what they have done.
The Zionist warmongers and Satanists will destroy America.
It's not so much that America is addicted to war as that the American "business model" makes
permanent war inevitable. US global dominance rests on economic domination, in particular,
the dollar as world reserve currency. That has allowed the US economy to survive in spite of
being hollowed out, financialised and burdened with enormous sovereign debt. Economic
dominance derives from political dominance, which, in its turn, flows from military
dominance. For that military dominance to be credible, not only must the US have the biggest
and best military forces on the planet, it must show itself willing to use those forces to
maintain its dominance by actually using them from time to time, in particular, to
unequivocally beat off any challenge to its dominance (Putin!). It also, of course, must win,
or, more correctly, be able to present the outcome credibly as a win. Failure to maintain
military dominance will undermine the position of the dollar, sending its value through the
floor. A low dollar means cheap exports (Boeing will sell more planes than Airbus!), but it
also means that imports (oil, outsourced goods) will be dear. At that point the hollowed out
nature of the US economy will cut in, probably provoking a Soviet-style implosion of the US
economy and society and ruining anyone who has holdings denominated in dollars. I call that
the Gorbachev conundrum. Gorby believed in the Soviet Union and wanted to reform it. But the
Soviet system had become so rigid as to be unreformable. He pulled a threat and the whole
system unravelled. But if he hadn't pulled the thread, the whole system would have unravelled
anyway. It was a choice between hard landing and harder landing. Similarly, US leaders have
to continue down the only road open to them: permanent war. As Thomas Jefferson said of
slavery, it's like holding a wolf by the ears. You don't like it but you don't dare let go!
"How long will it take before the public concludes that they have had enough of wars that
don't work?" Answer: Never.
In Alabama when people would rant about how toxic Roy Moore was, I would politely point
out that his opponent for Senate was OK with spending trillions of dollars fighting pointless
winless wars on the other side of the planet just so politically connected defense
contractors can make a buck, and ask if that should be an issue too? The response,
predictably, was as if I was an alien from the planet Skyron in the galaxy of Andromeda.
We are sheep. We are outraged at these sexual transgressions because the corporate press
tells us to be outraged. We are not outraged at these stupid foreign wars, because the
corporate press does not tell us to be outraged. It's all mass effect, and the comfort of
being in a herd and all expressing the same feelings.
Andrew Bacevich is wrong about a couple of things in this article.
First, he says that the American public is both apathetic and credulous. I agree
that we have largely become apathetic towards these imperial wars, but I disagree that we
have become credulous. In fact, these two states of mind exclude one another; you cannot be
both apathetic and credulous with respect to the same object at the same time. The credulity
charge is easy to dismiss because virtually no one today believes anything that comes out of
Washington or its mouthpieces in the legacy media. The apathy charge is on point but it needs
qualification. The smarter, more informed Americans have seen that their efforts to change
the course of American policy have been to no avail, and they've given up in frustration and
disgust. The less smart, less informed Americans are constrained by the necessity of getting
on with their meager lives; they are an apolitical mass that possesses neither the
understanding nor the capacity to make any difference on the policy front whatsoever.
Second,Andrew Bacevich calls for a Weinstein moment without realizing that it
already happened more than ten years ago. The 2006 midterm elections were the first Weinstein
moment, which saw the American people deliver a huge outpouring of antiwar sentiment that
inflicted significant congressional losses on the neocon Republicans of George W. Bush. An
echo of that groundswell happened again in 2008 when Barack Obama was elected to office on an
explicitly antiwar platform. But Obama turned out to be one of the most pro-war presidents
ever, and thus an angry electorate made one final push in the same direction by attempting to
clean house with Donald Trump. Now that Donald has shown every sign of having cucked out to
the war lobby, we seem to be left with no electoral solutions.
The only thing that's going to work is for the American Imperium to be handed a
much-deserved military and financial defeat. The one encouraging fact is that if the top ten
percent of our political and financial elite were planed off by a foreign power, the American
people would give as few damns about that as they currently do about our imperial wars.
Very good but some little errors. Concerning Russia and China, Russia vent all or
nothing.
China was much smarter. First they allowed self employment, than small business and long time
after they started to sell state enterprises,
If Tom's Dispatch continues to be successful, Americans will continue to be asleep.
Masterful propaganda. War, according to our favorite spooks, is necessary to win, but
otherwise reprehensible.
Sex is otherwise necessary for human life but Harvey Weinstein is ugly. Hold tightly to
your cognitive dissonance, because you're expected to remember John F Kennedy who got it on,
but is the expendable martyr you should care about, not that other guy
Let's review: terror attacks are wins. Superior or effective anti-war propaganda comes
from the military
itself. They really don't want war, but really they do.
We're trying to make Afghanistan not Afghanistan: aka, trying to be a miracle worker. We
can throw as much money as we like at that place, and it isn't going to happen, least of all
with troops on nine month shifts.
Let Iran and Pakistan squabble over it. Good riddance.
1) doesn't really make much sense, given that Poland and the Baltic States would be more
than happy to take all US forces in Europe to give us a presence near Russia in a part of the
world that would be far easier to justify to the American public-and to the international
community. Afghanistan? Who exactly is Russia going to mess with? Iran is their-for now,
longer term, the two have conflicting agendas in the region, but don't expect the geniuses in
the Beltway to pick up on that opportunity-ally, and unlike the USSR, the Russians don't want
to get involved in the India-Pakistan conflict. Russia's current tilt toward China makes a
strategic marriage with India of the kind that you found in the Cold War impossible, but they
obviously don't want to tilt toward the basketcase known as Pakistan. The only reason that
Russia would want to get involved with Afghanistan beyond having a more preferable status
than having American troops there is power projection among ex-Soviet states, and there are
far more effective ways to do than muddle about with Afghanistan.
2, on the other hand, given Iran-Contra who knows? The first generation of the Taliban
pretty much wiped the heroin trade out as offensive to Islamic sensibilities, but the newer
generations have no such qualms.
I think you give America's rulers far too much credit. The truth is probably far scarier:
the morons who work in the Beltway honestly believe their own propaganda-that we can make
Afghanistan into some magical Western democracy if we throw enough money at it-and combine
that with the usual bureaucratic inertia.
According to General John Nicholson, our 17th commander in Kabul since 2001,
We have been killing these people for 17 years. Now our generals say that if we
indiscriminately kill enough men, women, and children who get in the way of our B52s, that
they will see the light and make peace. How totally wonderful.
My solution is to gage the Lindsey Grahams for a year.
What will do more good for peace – B52s or shutting up Graham's elk?
I remember when Trump said he knew more than the generals and was viciously attacked for it.
It turns out he did know more than the generals just by knowing it was a waste. Trump was
pushed by politics to defer to the generals who always have an answer when it comes to a war
– more men, more weapons, more time.
"The less smart, less informed Americans are constrained by the necessity of getting on
with their meager lives; they are an apolitical mass that possesses neither the understanding
nor the capacity to make any difference on the policy front whatsoever."
I wonder if any Abolitionists criticized the slaves for failing to revolt? Probably not;
I'm guessing they were mostly convinced that the negro required intervention from outside,
whether due to their nature or from overwhelming circumstance.
If the enslaved American public is liberated, I hope we'll know what to do with ourselves
afterwards. It'd be a shame to simply end up in another kind of bondage, resentful and
subject to whatever oppressive system replaces the current outrage. Perhaps the next one will
more persuasively convince us that we're important and essential?
We are sheep. We are outraged at these sexual transgressions because the corporate press
tells us to be outraged. We are not outraged at these stupid foreign wars, because the
corporate press does not tell us to be outraged. It's all mass effect, and the comfort of
being in a herd and all expressing the same feelings.
Thank you, Andrew J. Bacevich, for your words of wisdom and thank you, Mr. Unz, for this
post.
This corporation needs to be dissolved. I've read about "the inertia" of Federal Government
that has morphed into a cash cow for a century of wasted tax dollars funding the MIIC, now
the MIIC. Does our existence have to end in financial ruin or, worse yet, some foreign entity
creating havoc on our soil?
The Founders NEVER intended that the US of A become a meddler in other Sovereignty's internal
affairs or the destroyer of Nation States that do not espoused our "doctrine." Anyone without
poop for brains knows that this is about Imperialism and greed, fueled by money and an
insatiable luster for MORE.
This should be easier to change than it appears. Is there no will? After all, it Is our
Master's money that lubricates the machinery. So, we continue to provide the lubrication for
our Masters like a bunch of imbeciles that allow them to survail our words and movements.
Somebody please explain our stupidity.
the folks in the US are sick of the wars, contrary to Bacevich. They simply will vote come
next election accordingly. They register their disgust in all the polls.
This article is not very useful. More punditry puff.
No comments on the Next War for Israel being cooked up by the new crop of neocon
youngsters, I guess, and Trump who will trump, trump, trump into the next War for the
Jews.
How about some political science on Iran, Syria, Hisbollah, Hamas and the US, Arabia,
Judenstaat axis of evil?
Hey Bacevich? When you link to WashPost and NYTimes to make your points, you don't. They
block access if you've already read links to those two papers three times each and can no
longer, for the month, read there. When folks link to papers that won't let you read, it
makes one wonder why.
I believe Americans are damned sick and tired of the stupid, needless war in Afghanistan. But
then they should have been sick and tired of stupid , needless wars like Korea, Vietnam and
Iraq, and probably most of them were. But it's easy to be complacent when someone else's son
is doing the fighting and dying And it's easy to be complacent when your stomach is full and
you have plenty of booze and pain killers available. There will be a day of reckoning when
the next big economic bust arrives and which may make the Great Depression paltry by
comparison. America is a far different place then it was in the 1930s when our population was
140 million. Americans were not so soft and the conveniences we now take for granted not
available. When the supermarkets run out of food, watch out. There may not even be any soup
lines to stand in.
In truth, U.S. commanders have quietly shelved any expectations of achieving an actual
victory -- traditionally defined as "imposing your will on the enemy" -- in favor of a more
modest conception of success.
Your assumptions are wrong about the US goal of the invasion of Afghanistan. Afghanistan and Iraq were not invaded to establish democracy or impose American will
whatever that is. Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded to establish a temporary military staging ground for a
US invasion of Iran, the designated regional enemy of Israel. As long as the current regime in Iran remains, the US will remain in Iraq and
Afghanistan.
And minerals! Eric Prince himself recently tried to sell the idea of having his private
militias do the fighting in Afghanistan for the US and finance it by mining said country's
minerals, thus making himself even richer.
I was onboard with Mr. Bacevich, until I got to this:
Almost as soon as the Taliban were ousted from Kabul, coalition efforts to create
effective Afghan security forces commenced. So, too, did attempts to reduce the production
of the opium that has funded the Taliban insurgency
What utter rubbish! The Taliban was instrumental in shutting down the poppy production
until the CIA came along and restarted it to fund their black ops.
We have the reverse Midas touch. Everything we touch (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc.,
etc.) turns to shit. We supposedly attack countries to liberate them from their tyrants who
are supposedly killing their own people, and end up killing more people than all of them put
together. And, oh yes, we have our favorite tyrants (Saudis, Israelis) whom we provide with
horrible weapons (like cluster bombs) to help them kill people we hate.
Mr. Bacevich is right about the lack of outrage about our wars, but the current Weinstein
explosion consists of hordes of mostly American female victims, mostly white, a (very) few
jews, and a few men, who have the stage to complain about their oppressors. What would be the
counterpart of that w.r.t. the wars? Millions of brown victims in far away lands that most of
us couldn't even find on a map? How likely is that to happen?
So yes, no outrage, and none likely. The last 17 years have proven that.
You don't know the American has been paying everything through monopoly money printed
through the thin air since WWI, i.e. a keystroke on the Federal Reserve's computer? No wonder
the Americans have been waging reckless wars all over the world on the fabricated phantom WMD
allegations as humanitarian intervention relentlessly.
Romans did not stop waging reckless wars until their empire collapsed; the British
imitates the Romans and the American is born out of the British, hence the Americans will no
stop waging reckless wars until their empire collapsed like the Romans.
"... The Russia Investigation shifts to Clinton's Political Rivals ..."
"... Let me get this straight: The Democrats think Stein siphoned votes away from Hillary, so Stein must be a "Russian agent". Is that it? ..."
"... The persecution of Jill Stein strips away the facade once and for all exposing Russia-gate as a complete fraud that is being used to exact revenge on the adversaries of Hillary Clinton and her reprobate friends. The New York Times even admits as much. ..."
"... That's what's really really going on, the fatcat honchos behind the scenes are just settling scores for Hillary's lost election. It's payback time for the Clinton Mafia. Here's more baloney from the Times: ..."
"... Give me a break. Does anyone on the Senate Intelligence Committee honestly believe that Jill Stein is a Russian agent? ..."
"... Of course not. They're just harassing her to send a message to anyone who might be thinking about running for president in the future. They're saying, "You'd better watch your step or we'll trump-up charges against you and make your life a living hell. Isn't that the message?You're damn right it is! ..."
"... "This is a witch hunt. It is neo-McCarthyism, plain and simple. The people who are outright calling Stein a Russian agent are making a complete mockery of themselves and of the American political process ..."
"... Dragging Stein into this mess shows Clinton Democrats up for what they really are. It proves that the 'Resist' crowd's crusade is not just about Trump and "collusion" -- it's also about discrediting all dissenting American voices and establishing their own definition of what political opposition is supposed to look like -- and for the Clinton cult, it's not supposed to look like Jill Stein . ..."
"... Anyone who disagrees with the Democrats is a Putin puppet -- and if you've ever been to Moscow, forget it -- don't even bother trying to defend yourself. Off with your head." ("McCarthy-style targeting of Jill Stein proves Democrats have truly lost the plot", RT) ..."
"... "The Socialist Equality Party condemns the targeting of Jill Stein, the Green Party presidential candidate in the 2016 election, by the neo-McCarthyite witch-hunters on the Senate Intelligence Committee . The attack on Stein, spearheaded by the Democratic Party, is an unconstitutional attempt to delegitimize and suppress political opposition to the monopoly of the capitalist two-party system . ..."
"... This is the Orwellian reality of America in 2017, ruled by two right-wing, oligarchic parties that can and will tolerate no political opposition . ..."
"... If you're a liberal and you hate Donald Trump, then you probably see the Russia-gate investigation as your best chance to achieve the Golden Grail of "impeachment". But are you willing to compromise your principles, join forces with the sinister and unscrupulous Clinton cabal, and throw allies like Jill Stein under the bus to achieve your goal? ..."
"... How high a price are you willing to pay to get rid of Trump? That's the question that every liberal in America should be asking themselves. And they'd better answer it fast before it's too late. ..."
"... Mueller is clearly not the upstanding 'protector of American values' he is painted he is a servile political degenerate. A lifetime of betrayal has rendered him ethically autistic. He is blind to the way his own actions condemn him before reasonable minds. Hopefully he will wake up when condemned hiself in an American Court of Law at some future date. ..."
"... According to Edward Aguilar of Project for Nuclear Awareness, cancelling construction of the new submarines, reducing the current number of such subs, and retiring rather than replacing nuclear warheads and a couple hundred ICBMs would save $270 billion. ..."
"... The weapons oligarchy appears to be a racketeering-influenced and corrupt organization. Luckily, the RICO Act provides for heavy criminal penalties for such death-dealing corruption. ..."
This review way written almost two year ago. The new President is now sitting in White house. Nothing changed.
The problem with Bacevich' views is that neoliberalism dictates expansion and maintenance of neoliberal empire as well in best
Trotskyism tradition "export of neoliberal revolution" using bayonets, if other means do not work. So this is the nature of the
neoliberal beast, not an aberration like he assumes. Militarism is essence of US foreign policy under neoliberalism.
Notable quotes:
"... This book, Bacevich's eighth, extends his string of brutal, bracing and essential critiques of the pernicious role of reflexive militarism in American foreign policy. As in past books, Bacevich is thought-provoking, profane and fearless. Assailing generals, journalists and foreign policy experts alike, he links together more than a dozen military interventions that span 35 years and declares them a single war. Bacevich analyzes each intervention, looking for common themes from Carter's late 1970s missteps to Barack Obama's widespread use of assassination by drone strike today. ..."
"... A presumption that using military power signified to friends and foes that Washington was getting serious about a problem diminished the role of diplomats and diplomacy. " 'Getting serious' also implied a preference for uniforms over suits as the principal agents of U.S. policy," Bacevich writes. "Henceforth, rather than military power serving as the handmaiden of diplomacy, the reverse would be true." ..."
"... In another repeated mistake, triumphalist American commanders prematurely declare victory without realizing that their opponent has simply withdrawn to fight another day as a guerrilla force, as occurred in Afghanistan in 2001. They also personalize the enemy, wrongly assuming that the removal of figures like Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and Muammar Qaddafi will instantly end conflict. ..."
"... From Somalia in 1993 to Yemen today, American commanders and policy makers overestimated the advantage American military technology bestows on them. And most crucially of all, the United States has failed to decide whether it is, in fact, at war. ..."
"... "In the war for the greater Middle East, the United States chose neither to contain nor to crush, instead charting a course midway in between," Bacevich writes. "Instead of intimidating, U.S. military efforts have annoyed, incited and generally communicated a lack of both competence and determination." ..."
"... For all that, Bacevich is right that the United States' reflexive use of armed intervention in the Middle East is folly. An unquestioning faith in military might and an underinvestment in diplomacy has tied Washington in a policy straitjacket. Bacevich's call for Americans to rethink their nation's militarized approach to the Middle East is incisive, urgent and essential. ..."
BOOK REVIEW: AMERICA'S WAR FOR THE GREATER MIDDLE EAST (A Military History) By Andrew J. Bacevich
Illustrated. 453 pp. Random House. $30.
In the opening chapter of his latest book, the military historian Andrew J. Bacevich blames Jimmy Carter, a president commonly
viewed as more meek than martial, for unwittingly spawning 35 years of American military intervention in the Middle East. Bacevich
argues that three mistakes by Carter set precedents that led to decades of squandered American lives and treasure.
First, Carter called on Americans to stop worshiping "self-indulgence and consumption" and join a nationwide effort to conserve
energy. Self-sacrifice, he argued in what is now widely derided as Carter's "malaise speech," would free Americans from their dependence
on foreign oil and "help us to conquer the crisis of the spirit in our country."
The president came across as more hectoring pastor than visionary leader, Bacevich argues in "America's War for the Greater Middle
East." His guileless approach squandered an opportunity to persuade Americans reeling from high foreign oil prices to trade "dependence
for autonomy."
Carter's second mistake was authorizing American support to guerrillas fighting a Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan, a move
that eventually helped fuel the spread of radical Islam. Finally, in a misguided effort to counter views that he was "too soft,"
Carter declared that the United States would respond with military force to any outside effort to seize Persian Gulf oil fields.
"This statement, subsequently enshrined as the Carter Doctrine, inaugurated America's war for the greater Middle East," Bacevich
writes.
This book, Bacevich's eighth, extends his string of brutal, bracing and essential critiques of the pernicious role of reflexive
militarism in American foreign policy. As in past books, Bacevich is thought-provoking, profane and fearless. Assailing generals,
journalists and foreign policy experts alike, he links together more than a dozen military interventions that span 35 years and declares
them a single war. Bacevich analyzes each intervention, looking for common themes from Carter's late 1970s missteps to Barack Obama's
widespread use of assassination by drone strike today.
Washington's penchant for intervention, Bacevich contends, is driven by more than America's thirst for oil or the military-industrial
complex's need for new enemies. In addition to these two factors, he argues that "a deeply pernicious collective naïveté" among both
Republicans and Democrats spawns interventions doomed by "confusion and incoherence."
The ultimate responsibility for the United States' actions lies with an "oblivious" American public engrossed in "shallow digital
enthusiasms and the worship of celebrity," Bacevich writes. Americans support freedom, democracy and prosperity in other nations,
he tells us, as long as they get the lion's share of it. "Ensuring that Americans enjoy their rightful quota (which is to say, more
than their fair share) of freedom, abundance and security comes first," Bacevich says. "Everything else figures as an afterthought."
Bacevich's argument is heavy-handed at times, but when he writes about military strategy, he is genuinely incisive. Citing numerous
examples, he convincingly argues that destructive myths about the efficacy of American military power blind policy makers, generals
and voters. The use of overwhelming lethal force does not immediately cause dictators or terrorists to turn tail and run, even if
that's what politicians in Washington want to believe. Rather, it often leads to resentment, chaos and resistance.
A presumption that using military power signified to friends and foes that Washington was getting serious about a problem
diminished the role of diplomats and diplomacy. " 'Getting serious' also implied a preference for uniforms over suits as the principal
agents of U.S. policy," Bacevich writes. "Henceforth, rather than military power serving as the handmaiden of diplomacy, the reverse
would be true."
In another repeated mistake, triumphalist American commanders prematurely declare victory without realizing that their opponent
has simply withdrawn to fight another day as a guerrilla force, as occurred in Afghanistan in 2001. They also personalize the enemy,
wrongly assuming that the removal of figures like Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and Muammar Qaddafi will instantly end conflict.
From Somalia in 1993 to Yemen today, American commanders and policy makers overestimated the advantage American military technology
bestows on them. And most crucially of all, the United States has failed to decide whether it is, in fact, at war.
"In the war for the greater Middle East, the United States chose neither to contain nor to crush, instead charting a course
midway in between," Bacevich writes. "Instead of intimidating, U.S. military efforts have annoyed, incited and generally communicated
a lack of both competence and determination." The historical forces at work in the Middle East are different from the dynamics
that led to American victories in World War II and the Cold War. American officials have failed to understand that. What's more,
a deluded Washington foreign policy establishment believes that an American way of life based on "consumption and choice" will be
accepted over time in the "Islamic world."
But it is here, in his description of the "Islamic world," that Bacevich stumbles. What is missing in this book about "the greater
Middle East" are the people of the greater Middle East. Bacevich's most highly developed Muslim character in these pages is Saddam
Hussein. The former Afghan president Hamid Karzai is a distant second. Beyond those two, the rest of the world's estimated 1.6 billion
Muslims come across as two-dimensional caricatures.
And so Bacevich lumps together vastly different nationalities - from Bosnians to Iraqis to Somalis - often referring to all of
them primarily as "Muslims." The dizzying complexities of each country's history, politics, culture, resources and rivalries are
missing. And when it comes to how "Muslims" view the world, Bacevich veers into the simplistic essentialism that he accuses Washington
policy makers of following.
Bacevich suggests that in the "Islamic world" lifestyles based on "consumption and choice" might not work. Such broad-brush statements
might well be considered simplistic and even bigoted if applied to other faiths. Can one contend that a "Christian world," "Hindu
world" or "Jewish world" exists? Are such generalizations analytically useful? Do the world's hundreds of millions of Muslims practice
their faith identically?
As a result of this essentialism, Bacevich glosses over a vital point about the Middle East today: A historic and brutal struggle
between radicals and modernists for the future of the region is underway. One can argue that the United States has no place in that
fight, but making sweeping generalizations about Muslims as Bacevich does limits our understanding of the forces at work in the region.
It also plays into the hands of extremists who seek to divide the world by faith.
In the most troubling passage of the book, Bacevich breezily questions pluralism itself. "According to one of the prevailing shibboleths
of the present age, this commingling of cultures is inherently good," he writes. "It fosters pluralism, thereby enriching everyday
life. Yet cultural interaction also induces friction, whether spontaneously generated or instigated by demagogues and provocateurs."
We do live in a dangerous world, but it is also an inevitably interconnected one. The commingling of cultures cannot be stopped.
Nor should it be.
For all that, Bacevich is right that the United States' reflexive use of armed intervention in the Middle East is folly. An
unquestioning faith in military might and an underinvestment in diplomacy has tied Washington in a policy straitjacket. Bacevich's
call for Americans to rethink their nation's militarized approach to the Middle East is incisive, urgent and essential.
David Rohde is the national security investigations editor for Reuters and a contributing editor for The Atlantic.
Widespread anti-American sentiment is as stupid and reactionary as any other form of nationalism. It's just another 'divide
and rule' ideology to keep ordinary people at each others' throats, rather than see them united against their common enemy, the global
so-called 'elite'/ oligarchs.
Notable quotes:
"... For all the haters of us ugly Americans, just remember that we at this blog are suffering in our country standing up for the truth, pitted against our neighbors, coworkers, and friends in the arena of political debate and decrying the massive injustice of our foreign aggression. ..."
"... The world knows the military industrial complex that has worked over years, and year to create the ugly tentacles throughout what was once our government has been usurped. Dollars. All these bastards see is dollars. Not human life. Not the potential of that lost life in science, math, technology. Just dollars. ..."
"... or heavens sakes the voters in Arizona returned the worst of ALL Warmongers to Congress. ..."
"... We can't even get the voters to learn that their votes equal WAR pushed by both Parties they are aligned with. Get real. Our challenge is yours. Help us! ..."
"... I know there are many highly intelligent Americans, who are already today suffering and paying a price. And I agree that (widespread) anti-American sentiment is as stupid and reactionary as any other form of nationalism. It's just another 'divide and rule' ideology to keep ordinary people at each others' throats, rather than see them united against their common enemy, the global so-called 'elite'/ oligarchs. ..."
"... Playing groups of people against one another is the oldest domination trick in the world, but it seems to work every single time...sad! ;-) ..."
"... I'm from California. Technically the USA. My take on things is we United States of Americans are exceptional. Most of us are exceptionally ignorant and violent. That is exceptionally sad. ..."
For all the haters of us ugly Americans, just remember that we at this blog are suffering in our country standing up for the
truth, pitted against our neighbors, coworkers, and friends in the arena of political debate and decrying the massive injustice
of our foreign aggression.
I won't call ya out by name, but lumping us forlorn sacks into your "untouchable" category reeks of reactionary arrogance that
is, to pay patrons at this fine blog their due, beneath you.
In the mean time, American issues = issues concerning the empire they we all want to see destroyed. Liberating Americans should
also be on your wish list.
The world knows the military industrial complex that has worked over years, and year to create the ugly tentacles throughout
what was once our government has been usurped. Dollars. All these bastards see is dollars. Not human life. Not the potential of
that lost life in science, math, technology. Just dollars.
For heavens sakes the voters in Arizona returned the worst of ALL Warmongers to Congress. And you, the World, think
for a moment we, citizens in this colony, have a snowball's chance in hell reeling these creatures in all by ourselves are sorely
mistaken.
We can't even get the voters to learn that their votes equal WAR pushed by both Parties they are aligned with. Get real. Our
challenge is yours. Help us!
I know there are many highly intelligent Americans, who are already today suffering and paying a price. And I agree that
(widespread) anti-American sentiment is as stupid and reactionary as any other form of nationalism. It's just another 'divide
and rule' ideology to keep ordinary people at each others' throats, rather than see them united against their common enemy, the
global so-called 'elite'/ oligarchs.
Playing groups of people against one another is the oldest domination trick in the world, but it seems to work every single
time...sad! ;-)
I'm from California. Technically the USA. My take on things is we United States of Americans are exceptional. Most of us
are exceptionally ignorant and violent. That is exceptionally sad.
I am very glad to have found MoA and the crew of experts. I have learned so very much.
Big up b! Booyakah as they say in JA. God help us.
"... It does, after all, have deep roots in the Manifest Destiny ethos that spurred the Mexican War, drove continental and trans-Pacific expansion, and emerged as a paternalistic justification for voluminous military interventions in Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East. As Dick Cheney suggests, "the world needs a powerful America." In this unilateral missionizing zeal Clinton proves most typical. ..."
"... she wants the United States to be the dominant power in the world, so she doesn't question the massive sums spent on the military and on the other branches of the national-security state. ..."
"... But Clinton's brand of American exceptionalism goes beyond the issue of American military dominion and into the policy potentials of mid-century social liberalism and, more specifically, the neoliberalism that has since replaced it. Indeed, since George McGovern's failed presidential bid of 1972, neoliberals, moving decidedly rightward on economic issues, have consistently employed exceptionalist code to fight off movements, ideas, and challengers from the left. ..."
"... She is smart enough to know that women in the United States endure far more poverty, unemployment, and food insecurity than women in Denmark-yet she shamelessly made clear that she was happy to keep it that way." Indeed, Clinton's denunciation of the idea that the United States should look more like Denmark betrayed one of the glaring the fault lines within the Democratic Party, and between Clintonian liberalism and Sandersite leftism. ..."
...It's hilarious how cocky and
confident the neoliberals were throughout the election. It's amazing how wrong they were.
Trump's victory is almost worth it.
Published on
Friday, February 26, 2016
by Common Dreams
"We Are Not Denmark": Hillary Clinton and Liberal American Exceptionalism
by Matthew Stanley
Several months removed, it now seems clear that the Democratic debate on October 13
contained an illuminating moment that has come to embody the 2016 Democratic Primary and the
key differences between its two candidates. Confronting Bernie Sanders's insistence that the
United States has much to learn from more socialized nations, particularly the Nordic Model,
Hillary Clinton was direct: "I love Denmark. But we are not Denmark. We are the United States
of America."
The implication behind this statement-the reasoning that ideas and institutions (in this
case social and economic programs) that are successful in other nations are somehow
practically or ideologically inconsistent with Americans and American principles-speaks to a
longstanding sociopolitical framework that has justified everything from continental expansion
to the Iraq War: American exceptionalism. Rooted in writings of Alexis de Tocqueville and the
mythology of John Winthrop's "City Upon a Hill," the notion that the history and mission of
the United States and the superiority of its political and economic traditions makes it
impervious to same the forces that influence other peoples has coursed through Abraham
Lincoln's "Gettysburg Address," the Cold War rhetoric of John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson,
and the foreign policy declarations of Barack Obama.
Despite particular historical trends-early and relatively stable political democracy,
birthright citizenship, the absence of a feudal tradition, the relative weakness of class
consciousness-historians have critiqued this "American exceptionalism" as far more fictive
than physical, frequently citing the concept as a form of state mythology. Although different
histories lead naturally to historical and perhaps even structural dissimilarities, America's
twenty-first century "exceptions" appear as dubious distinctions: gun violence, carbon
emissions, mass incarceration, wealth inequality, racial disparities, capital punishment,
child poverty, and military spending.
Yet even at a time when American exceptionalism has never been more challenged both by
empirically-validated social and economic data and in public conversation, the concept
continues to play an elemental role in our two-party political discourse. The Republican Party
is, of course, awash with spurious, almost comically stupid dialogue about a mythic American
past-"making America great again"-the racial and ethnic undertones of which are unmistakable.
Those same Republicans have lambasted Obama and other high profile Democrats for not believing
sufficiently in their brand of innate, transhistoric American supremacy.
But this Americentrism is not the sole province of the GOP. We need look no further than
bipartisan support for the military-industrial complex and the surveillance state to see that
national exceptionalism, and its explicit double-standard toward other nations, resides
comfortably within the Democratic Party as well. Russian President Vladimir Putin and
Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa censured Obama's use of the term in the fall of 2013, with
the latter likening it to the "chosen race" theories of Nazi Germany. Hyperbole
notwithstanding, academics often do associate American exceptionalism with military conquest.
It does, after all, have deep roots in the Manifest Destiny ethos that spurred the
Mexican War, drove continental and trans-Pacific expansion, and emerged as a paternalistic
justification for voluminous military interventions in Latin America, Africa, and the Middle
East. As Dick Cheney suggests, "the world needs a powerful America." In this unilateral
missionizing zeal Clinton proves most typical.
As historian Michael Kazin argues in a
recent piece for The Nation: "Hillary Clinton is best described as a liberal. Like every
liberal president (and most failed Democratic nominees) since Wilson,
she wants the United
States to be the dominant power in the world, so she doesn't question the massive sums spent
on the military and on the other branches of the national-security state.
"
But Clinton's brand of American exceptionalism goes beyond the issue of American
military dominion and into the policy potentials of mid-century social liberalism and, more
specifically, the neoliberalism that has since replaced it. Indeed, since George McGovern's
failed presidential bid of 1972, neoliberals, moving decidedly rightward on economic issues,
have consistently employed exceptionalist code to fight off movements, ideas, and challengers
from the left.
The victims include leftist efforts toward both American demilitarization and the expansion
of a "socialistic" welfare state. Socialist feminist Liza Featherstone and others have
denounced Clinton's uncritical praise of the "opportunity" and "freedom" of American
capitalism vis-à-vis other developed nations. "With this bit of frankness," Featherstone
explains, referring to the former Secretary of State's "Denmark" comments, "Clinton helpfully
explained why no socialist-indeed, no non-millionaire-should support her.
She is smart enough to know that women in the United States endure far more poverty,
unemployment, and food insecurity than women in Denmark-yet she shamelessly made clear that
she was happy to keep it that way." Indeed, Clinton's denunciation of the idea that the United
States should look more like Denmark betrayed one of the glaring the fault lines within the
Democratic Party, and between Clintonian liberalism and Sandersite leftism.
It also
revealed a more clandestine strain of American exceptionalism common among liberals and the
Democratic Party elite in which "opportunity" serves as a stand-in for wider egalitarian
reform. As Elizabeth Bruenig highlighted in The New Republic: "Since getting ahead on one's
own grit is such a key part of the American narrative, it's easy to see how voters might be
attracted to Clinton's opportunity-based answer to our social and economic woes, though it
leaves the problem of inequality vastly under-addressed. Indeed, a kind of American
exceptionalism does seem to underpin much opportunity-focused political rhetoric."
This preference for insider politics (rather than mass movements involving direct action)
and limited, means-tested social programs speaks to a broader truth about modern liberalism:
it functions in a way that not only doesn't challenge the basic tenets of American
exceptionalism, it often reinforces them. Whether vindicating war and torture and civil
liberties violations, talking past the War on Drugs and the carceral state, or exhibiting
coolness toward the type of popular protest seen during of Occupy Wall Street, with its direct
attacks on a sort of American Sonderweg, establishment Democrats are adept at using a more
"realistic" brand of Americentrism to consolidate power and anchor the party in the status
quo. Now the 2016 Democratic Primary has seen progressive ideas including universal health
care, tuition-free college, and a living minimum wage, all hallmarks of large swaths of the
rest of the developed world, delegitimized through some mutation of liberal exceptionalist
thinking. These broadminded reforms are apparently off limits, not because they are not good
ideas (though opponents make that appraisal too), but because somehow their unachievability is
exceptional to the United States.
All this is not to exclude (despite his "democratic socialist" professions) Sanders's own
milder brand of "America first," most evident in his economic nationalism, but to emphasize
that American exceptionalism and the logical and practical dangers it poses exist in degrees
across a spectrum of American politics. Whatever his nationalistic inclinations, Sanders's
constant reiteration of America's need to learn from and adapt to the social, economic, and
political models of other nations demonstrates an ethno-flexibility rarely seen in American
major party politics. "Every other major country " might as well be his official campaign
slogan. This bilateral outlook does not fit nearly as neatly within Clinton's traditional
liberal paradigm that, from defenses of American war and empire to the, uses American
exceptionalism tactically, dismissing its conservative adherents as nationalist overkill yet
quietly exploiting the theory when politically or personally expeditious.
In looking beyond our national shores and domestic origin-sources for fresh and functional
policy, Sanders seems to grasp that, from the so-called "foreign influences" of the Republican
free soil program or Robert La Follette's Wisconsin Idea or even Lyndon Johnson's Great
Society, American high politics have been at their most morally creative and sweepingly
influential not only when swayed by direct action and mass movements, but also when they are
less impeded by the constraints of ethnocentrism and exceptionalism. The "We are not Denmark"
sentiment might appear benign, lacking as it does the bluster of Republican claims to national
supremacy and imaginary "golden age" pasts and what economist Thomas Picketty has termed a
"mythical capitalism." But it is the "seriousness" and very gentility of liberal Americentrism
that underscores the power, omnipresence, and intellectual poverty of cultural dismissal. "I
still believe in American exceptionalism," Clinton has proclaimed in pushing for U.S. military
escalation in Syria. Indeed she does, and it is by no means relegated to the sphere of foreign
policy.
"... Europe will not contribute more to its defense, and Trump will not abandon NATO. China will continue on as before, indifferent to the blustering of the American president because it realizes Trump needs Chinese workers to manufacture the things Americans will not (at Chinese wages), the same things (at low prices) that maintain the lifestyle of the Trump supporters. ..."
"... So civil religion is now a name for national megalomania? ..."
"... If you think the Americans sacralize the presidency, then I don't think you know what it actually means to sacralize a state authority. Look at Putin, Stalin and the tsars in Russia. American presidents are nowhere near them in sacralization ..."
"... Clinton, on the other hand, presents us with a deadly serious plan ("no fly zone")to start an unnecessary unjustified war against Syria, Russia and Iran, the only beneficiaries of which would be Al-Qaida and ISIS, the inevitable results of which would be the destruction of Middle Eastern Christianity and an intensification of the migrant invasion of Europe, and the obvious risk of which is a catastrophic nuclear exchange. ..."
"... Trump will be the first president since Eisenhower who can be trusted to enforce the immigration laws, reduce the trade deficit, and avoid unnecessary wars. ..."
"... Look, here's the deal: Trump is the only candidate who has identified the problems of Middle America and who has identified ways to begin to fix those problems. Trump is not a "miracle" worker, but he does have the will and the courage to lead the country back in the right direction. And as his supporters he has our backing all the way. ..."
"... As President Trump will no doubt run into problems in implementing some aspects of his broad, multi-faceted program to make America great again. For sure there will be setbacks and delays, because (1) there is so much wrong with the country that has to be set right again, and because (2) there are so many powerful, wealthy, vested interests who will oppose doing what the country needs. ..."
"... Nelson said: You can't be a Christian and hate thy neighbor. ..."
"... Well, let's see what John Adams had to say about the Christian nation concept. ""The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." ..."
"... "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding ." ..."
"... There's a whole lot more I could point to that further illustrates the erroneous nature of the Christian nation myth. But people love their myths, just as the term Christian is quite a bit problematic in that historically it most accurately describes Orthodox Jews. ..."
"... Bush2/Cheney fancied themselves caesars invading multiple Mideast nations. Obama fancies himself as god. ..."
"... Is Trump a surprise? Only in that he is unapologetic and doesn't hide it. ..."
"... WYSIWYG. The problem is he is a mirror, and the problem is it is your image staring back even if you find it horrible. ..."
"... Trump is what you get when a party becomes bankrupt of any real ideas other than personal greed. ..."
"... Why is the author, and some commenters here, acting as if the label "Evangelical" means any more to those Evangelicals than the label "Catholic" means to most Catholics, or the label "Jewish" means to most Jews, etc. ..."
"I even brought my Bible-the evangelicals, OK?" Donald Trump
whinged at a
campaign stop in the run-up to the Iowa caucuses. "We love the evangelicals and we're polling so well." For good measure, he waved
his prop a little more and doubled down, "I really want to win Iowa-and again, the evangelicals, the Tea Party-we're doing unbelievably,
and I think I'm going to win Iowa."
This sycophantic word vomit was about average as Trump's public forays into religion go. His transparent attempts to cast himself
as a churchgoer have been awkward
at best
, and more often approach the bizarre if not
the heretical
. Nevertheless, as the man himself would say, the professing evangelicals-and the "professing"
is key here -love him. They really, really do.
But for all the headlines the
Trumpvangelicals have snagged,
their vehement support is ably matched by the strident
opposition to Trump found among millions of American Christians of all stripes, many of them (like me) appalled that such blatant
pandering and brash prurience is, well, working on our fellow travelers in the faith. Nearly a year into this misadventure,
it is still tempting to ask: How is this happening? How is the heir of the Moral Majority
endorsing a twice-divorced former
strip
club owner? How is Trump so appealing to what is supposed to be a Christian nation?
And it is in precisely that last phrase-"Christian nation"-the answer may be found: America's
entrenched
, pseudo-Christian civil religion
is the primary culprit here. President Trump is the due result of our theologically vacant imperial cult, which in the guise
of orthodoxy worships only the power of the state.
Granted, the connection may not be immediately obvious, particularly in light of the harsh critiques Trump has received from many
prominent Christians, as well as his own dime-store costume faith.
These surface obstacles obscure the deeper fit. Trump's extravagant self-deification, his demands of personal allegiance, and
his obsession with unique national and personal greatness all flow naturally out of a civil religion which co-opts Christianity to
cast an aura of divine approval on Washington. Indeed, Trump fancies himself a modern
Caesar
, tinged with divinity and cloaked in
gold . Our civil religion gives him just the theological resource he needs.
Consider, first, Trump's view of himself. As Frank Bruni persuasively
argued
in the New York Times , the Republican frontrunner comes off not as "someone interested in serving God" so much as "someone
interested in being God." Trump so closely links himself and the divine that
he drifts into boasting of his own accomplishments
in the very process of explaining why God is important. The candidate feels he
is above the need for God's
forgiveness ( as it is written
, "there is one who is righteous, yea, just one") and recently
named "an eye for an
eye" as his favorite Bible verse, an interesting selection given the New Testament's
assignment of vengeance
as God's prerogative.
Of course, Americans might rightly protest that we don't ascribe divinity to the presidency, but the office is undoubtedly sacralized.
Its successes-notably in foreign policy-are attributed to divine blessing. Conventional politicians may be more politic than Trump,
but most will happily harness God to tow their pet projects. A classic example is what theologian Michael J. Gorman
labels the "divine
passive voice," in which, often in the run-up to war, presidents
say things like "We are called " to subtly invoke a holy authority for their plans. In a Trump White House, the voice would simply
become slightly more active.
Beyond this there's Trump's demand (
and receipt
) of intense personal loyalty. One gets the feeling that the provision of a bust of Trumpself for long-distance
veneration would not be taken amiss by many of his followers, but usually a simple pledge of allegiance will do.
"I do solemnly swear that I, no matter how I feel, no matter what the conditions, if there are hurricanes or whatever, will vote
on or before the 12th for Donald J. Trump for President,"
he asked Floridian supporters
to promise in advance of their state's primary. This sort of ultimatum is right at home in a civil religion that facilitates unthinking
Christian loyalty to the state by means of a clever syncretism: If America is "under God"-if the United States becomes the "
city on a hill "-we needn't worry about obeying God
rather than men. It's all one and the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Joseph is idolatrously mutated into an American tribal
deity.
But the most convincing link lies in Trump's preoccupation with greatness. In the context of American civil religion, Gorman
explains , "Greatness
is defined especially as financial, political, and/or military strength, and this definition carries with it the conviction that
both America and Americans should always enjoy and operate from a position of strength and security."
"Weakness," he adds, "is un-American; Americans want to be number one. For many, these kinds of secular strengths are seen as
manifestations of power from God." Gorman wrote that more than five years ago, but Trump couldn't have said it better himself. His
is a
perverse patriotism inextricably tied to the notion that God likes America (and the Donald) most. Trump is certainly more explicit
in his promises of unparalleled
personal
("the greatest jobs president God ever created") and
national ("we will have so much winning") greatness, but his distinction from our standard-issue civil religion is one of degree,
not kind.
We might ask why a Trumpian candidate is only now appearing-and with such success-on our political stage. The civil religion is
hardly new, but surely Trump is. The tipping point, I suggest, is primarily about the expansion of power in the executive branch,
a process which has been underway for decades but accelerated in recent times. The authority of the White House has expanded to match
the sanctity we've assigned it. (Not for nothing is it called the imperial presidency.) The
modern office "looks nothing like
the modest, businesslike, law-governed executive the Framers envisioned," and if it did, Trump wouldn't want it.
In The Four Loves , C.S. Lewis
recounts a conversation with an elderly clergyman sincerely convinced that his "own nation, in sober fact, has long been, and
still is markedly superior to all others." "To be sure," Lewis muses, "this conviction had not made my friend (God rest his soul)
a villain; only an extremely lovable old ass. It can however produce asses that kick and bite." If mixed with assurance of unique
divine favor, he continues, this dangerous nonsense "draws evil after it. If our country's cause is the cause of God, wars must be
wars of annihilation. A false transcendence is given to things which are very much of this world."
In Trump we find such nonsense crystallized into an ass that kicks and bites, and gleefully plans to
torture and
murder because this is what
will make America great again. His gilded self-aggrandizement is the organic fruit of a "Christian" nation that welcomed such theo-nationalism
in drabber forms for years. We may not for a while see again so shameless an execution of the temple ceremonies of the American state,
but the false transcendence of our civil religion will not die with the Trump campaign.
Bonnie Kristian is a writer who lives in the Twin Cities. She is a graduate student at Bethel Seminary, a contributor at The Week , a columnist at Rare, and a fellow at the American Security Initiative Foundation. Her writing has also appeared
at Time , Relevant, and The American Conservative , among other outlets. Find her at
bonniekristian.com and
@bonniekristian .
Brendan, May 5, 2016 at 7:00 am
Well, America has had a born again evangelical Christian in the Whitehouse in recent memory, and how did that work out?
I suspect most Presidents are a reflection of culture, rather than shapers and formers of it. In other words, the problem didn't
begin and end with Trump.
Nick Valentine, May 5, 2016 at 8:03 am
The opinion of the New York Times is not normally a reliable voice when one seems to determine what is and what is not properly
Christian.
Nonetheless, as a Christian voter, I'll gladly explain my support of Donald Trump despite his questionable Christian "creds".
I don't care.
I've given up on finding a true, virtuous, Conservative Christian to lead us in DC, because that's never going to happen. This
is NOT a devoutly Christian nation any longer. Sure, many people identify as Christians, but like Trump, few of them ever pick
up a Bible.
Instead, I prefer the man who speaks his mind – however un-PC his mind may be – honestly and forthrightly, and who talks directly
to the citizens about the real issues that concern us as a nation:
Illegal immigration, Islamic terrorism, corruption in government, jobs and the economy, crony-capitalists who are destroying
the middle class by shipping jobs overseas, and unfair trade deals that also damage American jobs.
Based on Mr. Trump's business success and extreme confidence, he strikes me as the man most likely to right this ship of state.
So as a Christian, I'm confident that if Trump is President, I'll do just fine.
In all honesty, any Christians who are looking for devout Christianity at the polls should probably stay home.
Daniel (not Larison ), May 5, 2016 at 8:59 am
Nick wrote:
Instead, I prefer the man who speaks his mind – however un-PC his mind may be – honestly and forthrightly, and who talks directly
to the citizens about the real issues that concern us as a nation:
Does "speaking his mind" and being "un-PC" include shameless, ham-fisted pandering to Evangelicals, as posted in the article?
Trump is as deceptive as the rest of them, perhaps more so. You just get a kick out of him offending certain people, the people
that you don't like either. If anyone–including Trump–said something to hurt your precious feelings, you wouldn't say "I love
how he speaks his mind!" You'd call him an @sshole.
That doesn't make you weak, it makes you human. But to support it when others are the victims is just sad.
JLF, May 5, 2016 at 9:30 am
The most frightening thing will not come in the immediate wake of Trump's inauguration. It will not be brought by Democrats
and Republicans-in-exile. It will come from the Trump faithful when they see that their idol has feet of clay and cannot perform
the miracles he says he will. Even with a compliant Congress (and Court), Trump will not build a wall. Mexico will not pay for
it. He will not deport 11 million illegal aliens. Europe will not contribute more to its defense, and Trump will not abandon
NATO. China will continue on as before, indifferent to the blustering of the American president because it realizes Trump needs
Chinese workers to manufacture the things Americans will not (at Chinese wages), the same things (at low prices) that maintain
the lifestyle of the Trump supporters.
The scales fallen from their eyes, Trump's followers will act in the same way any mob acts and turn on the one that has betrayed
them. Only two questions remain: how long after inauguration will it take for their enlightenment, and how will The Donald react
to being cast down from his pedestal?
Rancor, May 5, 2016 at 9:49 am
So civil religion is now a name for national megalomania?
The British saw themselves as the lost tribe of Israel
The French as Galls and descendants of the Roman Empire
The Germans as Germanics who are supposed to destroy the Rome
The Russians as Katechons who must conquer Europe, as the last and true Rome
All of this is civil religion?
If you think the Americans sacralize the presidency, then I don't think you know what it actually means to sacralize a
state authority. Look at Putin, Stalin and the tsars in Russia. American presidents are nowhere near them in sacralization
John Gruskos, May 5, 2016 at 10:02 am
Trump muses about the possibility of using torture and assassination against a small number of terrorists who have American
blood on their hands.
Clinton, on the other hand, presents us with a deadly serious plan ("no fly zone")to start an unnecessary unjustified war
against Syria, Russia and Iran, the only beneficiaries of which would be Al-Qaida and ISIS, the inevitable results of which would
be the destruction of Middle Eastern Christianity and an intensification of the migrant invasion of Europe, and the obvious risk
of which is a catastrophic nuclear exchange.
Please remove the plank from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from mine.
Trump will be the first president since Eisenhower who can be trusted to enforce the immigration laws, reduce the trade
deficit, and avoid unnecessary wars. He is receiving enthusiastic support because of his *platform*, not his alleged cult
of personality. The clown act was a necessary tactic to circumvent the media gatekeepers who prevented previous outsiders such
as Buchanan, Tancredo and Paul from presenting their ideas to the public. See Scott Adams' blog for a full explanation. Bravo
Trump! You weren't too proud to fight for the interests of the American people.
Robert Thomas, May 5, 2016 at 10:20 am
Not that I am particularly religious nor does religion play a part in my politics.
However I don't need to be a bible thumper to see how over my life Christianity has been slowly systematically and successfully
attacked and wiped clean from our culture but the left and their orahanizatuons like the ACLU. Trump is the first guy who actually
acknowlages this and addresses it by simply saying " we will say Merry Christmas again"
When B.J.B. And Michael Sheuer both support Trump That's a great indicator that My support for Trump is well founded.
I was surprised to see an article like this written in TAC
It would be more fitting and we'll received in the national review or huffington post!
Clint, May 5, 2016 at 10:54 am
Trump,
"I will be the greatest representative of the Christians they've had in a long time." It appears Trump will be a better advocate
for Christians than Obama or Hillary Clinton.
SteveM, May 5, 2016 at 11:16 am
These days the ONLY thing we get from a president are NEGATIVE impacts. I.e., too much war, too much immigration, too much
regulation, a pathologically busted health care solution, tolerance of a pathological tax code, tolerance of Beltway Swamp corruption,
supplicant to the Security State. All of it – just too much
If Trump us just gives a small respite, let alone some actual relief from the massive parasitic hammer of the Leviathan, I'll
settle for that.
"Business as usual" just can't continue. It can't
Kurt Gayle, May 5, 2016 at 11:57 am
@ JLF, who wrote: "The most frightening thing will come from the Trump faithful when they see that their idol has feet of clay
and cannot perform the miracles he says he will."
With all due respect, JLF, I think you hold those of us who are "the Trump faithful" in an unusual level of contempt.
Look, here's the deal: Trump is the only candidate who has identified the problems of Middle America and who has identified
ways to begin to fix those problems. Trump is not a "miracle" worker, but he does have the will and the courage to lead the country
back in the right direction. And as his supporters he has our backing all the way.
As President Trump will no doubt run into problems in implementing some aspects of his broad, multi-faceted program to
make America great again. For sure there will be setbacks and delays, because (1) there is so much wrong with the country that
has to be set right again, and because (2) there are so many powerful, wealthy, vested interests who will oppose doing what the
country needs.
But as tough and steadfast a group as we Trump supporters have shown ourselves to be, why would you think that we would see
setbacks and delays as signs of some sort of "betrayal"? Why? That doesn't make any sense. Haven't you learned yet, JFL, that
of all the groups of Americans supporting all the candidates of both parties, those of us who are Trump supporters are by far
the most loyal, the most unshakeable, and the toughest.
So, don't try to hang some kind of prissy faint-of-heart label on us. As Trump supporters we're in this for the long haul.
We're ready to fight against the setbacks. We'll be fighting this out for as long as it takes to get the job done.
TB, May 5, 2016 at 6:40 pm
Nelson said: You can't be a Christian and hate thy neighbor.
____________________
all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.
Lee, May 5, 2016 at 6:42 pm
Well, let's see what John Adams had to say about the Christian nation concept. ""The government of the United States is
not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
-John Adams
Or what of Thomas Jefferson's letter to John Adams on April 11 of 1823?
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed
with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought
in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding ."
There's a whole lot more I could point to that further illustrates the erroneous nature of the Christian nation myth. But
people love their myths, just as the term Christian is quite a bit problematic in that historically it most accurately describes
Orthodox Jews.
LouisM, May 5, 2016 at 6:55 pm
Bush2/Cheney fancied themselves caesars invading multiple Mideast nations. Obama fancies himself as god. He has gone
beyond any president in usurping the congress and the states for his personal beliefs in Islam, global warming, drugs, immigration,
unions, sexual identity, Title IX, Healthcare, etc.
Is Trump a surprise? Only in that he is unapologetic and doesn't hide it. More than likely future presidents will
not be as overt and obvious but that does not make them any less psychopathic in seeing the Presidency as a throne rather than
a orchestra leader.
tz, May 5, 2016 at 7:27 pm
Sad. Bush and Obama have both tortured and murdered and garnered only a few peeps – aside from the few low level personnel
who were all but ordered to do so, who is in prison, much less been tried?
Trump is the epitome of our last two decades of compromise, of the end justifies the means, the "24" "Jack Bauer" that will
save the day at any cost, and is somehow the amoral savior.
The most rabidly righteous evangelicals who hate even the mild "damn" love "24". For some reason they originally preferred
Cruz.
This is the one thing – Trump may be many other forms of evil, but is not a hypocrite. He doesn't equivocate on torture (listen
to Cruz's debate response). He doesn't pull punches. He doesn't triangulate or check the polls.
WYSIWYG. The problem is he is a mirror, and the problem is it is your image staring back even if you find it horrible.
Jay L , May 6, 2016 at 12:09 pm
Trump is what you get when a party becomes bankrupt of any real ideas other than personal greed. The party of NO wing
of the Republican Party has reached its logical conclusion. The Party has paid only lip service to Evangelicals for a generation.
Look at all the shirt sleeve pols that end up in sex and/or money scandals all the while thumping the bible and being born again.
Look how every problem can be solved and every issue addressed if only you support us is giving the corporate and wealthy class
another round of tax cuts and hand outs. The Party has over and over said to the Evangelicals if you support us we will get around
to your agenda right after we address the lobbyists who fund our greed. I have wondered for years when the Evangelicals would
see that the ends don't justify the means philosophy of the Republican Party isn't really interested in what they have to say.
One doesn't achieve a Christian state through the seven deadly sins.
My greatest fear is that Trumps rise and the rise of a civil religion/cult is but a step on the path to chaos. History has
shown many times that when people don't see religion as an answer to their problems that they next turn to civil god champions
and when their champions ultimately fail there is nothing left to turn to except the social chaos of tearing the whole structure
down. Many of Trumps and Bernie's supporters won't listen to or care about what dangers, even to themselves, are on the path they
are supporting as long as it hurts the current ruling class that refuses to share the benefits of the system.
A. G. Phillbin , May 6, 2016 at 3:36 pm
Why is the author, and some commenters here, acting as if the label "Evangelical" means any more to those Evangelicals
than the label "Catholic" means to most Catholics, or the label "Jewish" means to most Jews, etc.
People are asked in a survey
to identify by religion. People saying, for example, "Catholic," would include both liberal and traditionalist Catholics, practicing
Catholics and lapsed Catholics and perhaps even ex-Catholics who haven't converted to anything. But the poll would only reflect
the number of people who checked the "Catholic" box, not the depth of their faith.
Similarly, would not people checking "Evangelical"
include people who were born into an Evangelical Christian household, but don't practice much themselves and have given little
thought as to what being an Evangelical means, as well as the very devout?
Without knowing which Evangelicals or which Catholics or which Jews are supporting a candidate or political position, how useful
is the information?
Essentially CIA dictates the US foreign policy. The tail is wagging the dog. The current Russophobia hysteria mean
additional billions for CIA and FBI. As simple as that.
The article contain some important observation about self-sustaining nature of the US
militarism. It is able to create new threats and new insurgencies almost at will via CIA activities.
The key problem is that wars are highly profitable for important part of the ruling elite,
especially representing finance and military industrial complex. Also now part of the US
ruling elite now consists of "colonial administrators" which are directly interested in maintaining
and expanding the US empire. This is trap from which nation might not be able to escape.
Notable quotes:
"... The U.S. government may pretend to respect a "rules-based" global order, but the only rule Washington seems to follow is "might makes right" -- and the CIA has long served as a chief instigator and enforcer, writes Nicolas J.S. Davies. ..."
"... Once the CIA went to work in Vietnam to undermine the 1954 Geneva Accords and the planned reunification of North and South through a free and fair election in 1956, the die was cast. ..."
"... No U.S. president could extricate the U.S. from Vietnam without exposing the limits of what U.S. military force could achieve, betraying widely held national myths and the powerful interests that sustained and profited from them. ..."
"... The critical "lesson of Vietnam" was summed up by Richard Barnet in his 1972 book Roots of War . "At the very moment that the number one nation has perfected the science of killing," Barnet wrote, "It has become an impractical means of political domination." ..."
"... Even the senior officer corps of the U.S. military saw it that way, since many of them had survived the horrors of Vietnam as junior officers. The CIA could still wreak havoc in Latin America and elsewhere, but the full destructive force of the U.S. military was not unleashed again until the invasion of Panama in 1989 and the First Gulf War in 1991. ..."
"... Half a century after Vietnam, we have tragically come full circle. With the CIA's politicized intelligence running wild in Washington and its covert operations spreading violence and chaos across every continent, President Trump faces the same pressures to maintain his own and his country's credibility as Johnson and Nixon did. ..."
"... Trump is facing these questions, not just in one country, Vietnam, but in dozens of countries across the world, and the interests perpetuating and fueling this cycle of crisis and war have only become more entrenched over time, as President Eisenhower warned that they would, despite the end of the Cold War and, until now, the lack of any actual military threat to the United States. ..."
"... U.S. Air Force Colonel Fletcher Prouty was the chief of special operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1955 to 1964, managing the global military support system for the CIA in Vietnam and around the world. Fletcher Prouty's book, The Secret Team: The CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World , was suppressed when it was first published in 1973. Thousands of copies disappeared from bookstores and libraries, and a mysterious Army Colonel bought the entire shipment of 3,500 copies the publisher sent to Australia. But Prouty's book was republished in 2011, and it is a timely account of the role of the CIA in U.S. policy. ..."
"... The main purpose of the CIA, as Prouty saw it, is to create such pretexts for war. ..."
"... The CIA is a hybrid of an intelligence service that gathers and analyzes foreign intelligence and a clandestine service that conducts covert operations. Both functions are essential to creating pretexts for war, and that is what they have done for 70 years. ..."
"... Prouty described how the CIA infiltrated the U.S. military, the State Department, the National Security Council and other government institutions, covertly placing its officers in critical positions to ensure that its plans are approved and that it has access to whatever forces, weapons, equipment, ammunition and other resources it needs to carry them out. ..."
"... Many retired intelligence officers, such as Ray McGovern and the members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), saw the merging of clandestine operations with intelligence analysis in one agency as corrupting the objective analysis they tried to provide to policymakers. They formed VIPS in 2003 in response to the fabrication of politicized intelligence that provided false pretexts for the U.S. to invade and destroy Iraq. ..."
"... But Fletcher Prouty was even more disturbed by the way that the CIA uses clandestine operations to trigger coups, wars and chaos. The civil and proxy war in Syria is a perfect example of what Prouty meant ..."
"... The role of U.S. "counterterrorism" operations in fueling armed resistance and terrorism, and the absence of any plan to reduce the asymmetric violence unleashed by the "global war on terror," would be no surprise to Fletcher Prouty. As he explained, such clandestine operations always take on a life of their own that is unrelated, and often counter-productive, to any rational U.S. policy objective. ..."
"... This is a textbook CIA operation on the same model as Vietnam in the late 1950s and early 60s. The CIA uses U.S. special forces and training missions to launch covert and proxy military operations that drive local populations into armed resistance groups, and then uses the presence of those armed resistance groups to justify ever-escalating U.S. military involvement. This is Vietnam redux on a continental scale. ..."
"... China is already too big and powerful for the U.S. to apply what is known as the Ledeen doctrine named for neoconservative theorist and intelligence operative Michael Ledeen who suggested that every 10 years or so, the United States "pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business." ..."
"... As long as the CIA and the U.S. military keep plunging the scapegoats for our failed policies into economic crisis, violence and chaos, the United States and the United Kingdom can remain the safe havens of the world's wealth, islands of privilege and excess amidst the storms they unleash on others. ..."
"... But if that is the only "significant national objective" driving these policies, it is surely about time for the 99 percent of Americans who reap no benefit from these murderous schemes to stop the CIA and its allies before they completely wreck the already damaged and fragile world in which we all must live, Americans and foreigners alike. ..."
"... Douglas Valentine has probably studied the CIA in more depth than any other American journalist, beginning with his book on The Phoenix Program in Vietnam. He has written a new book titled The CIA as Organized Crime : How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World, in which he brings Fletcher Prouty's analysis right up to the present day, describing the CIA's role in our current wars and the many ways it infiltrates, manipulates and controls U.S. policy. ..."
"... In Venezuela, the CIA and the right-wing opposition are following the same strategy that President Nixon ordered the CIA to inflict on Chile, to "make the economy scream" in preparation for the 1973 coup. ..."
"... The U.S. willingness to scrap the Agreed Framework in 2003, the breakdown of the Six Party Talks in 2009 and the U.S. refusal to acknowledge that its own military actions and threats create legitimate defense concerns for North Korea have driven the North Koreans into a corner from which they see a credible nuclear deterrent as their only chance to avoid mass destruction. ..."
"... Obama's charm offensive invigorated old and new military alliances with the U.K., France and the Arab monarchies, and he quietly ran up the most expensive military budge t of any president since World War Two. ..."
"... Throughout history, serial aggression has nearly always provoked increasingly united opposition, as peace-loving countries and people have reluctantly summoned the courage to stand up to an aggressor. France under Napoleon and Hitler's Germany also regarded themselves as exceptional, and in their own ways they were. But in the end, their belief in their exceptionalism led them on to defeat and destruction. ..."
The U.S. government may pretend to respect a "rules-based" global order, but the only rule Washington
seems to follow is "might makes right" -- and the CIA has long served as a chief instigator and enforcer,
writes Nicolas J.S. Davies.
As the recent PBS documentary on the American War in Vietnam acknowledged, few American officials
ever believed that the United States could win the war, neither those advising Johnson as he committed
hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops, nor those advising Nixon as he escalated a brutal aerial bombardment
that had already killed millions of people.
As conversations tape-recorded in the White House reveal, and as other writers have documented,
the reasons for wading into the Big Muddy, as
Pete Seeger satirized it
, and then pushing on regardless, all came down to "credibility": the domestic political credibility
of the politicians involved and America's international credibility as a military power.
Once the CIA went to work in Vietnam to undermine the
1954 Geneva Accords
and the planned reunification of North and South through a free and fair election in 1956, the die
was cast. The CIA's support for the repressive
Diem regime and its successors
ensured an ever-escalating war, as the South rose in rebellion, supported by the North. No U.S. president
could extricate the U.S. from Vietnam without exposing the limits of what U.S. military force could
achieve, betraying widely held national myths and the powerful interests that sustained and profited
from them.
The critical "lesson of Vietnam" was summed up by Richard Barnet in his 1972 book
Roots
of War . "At the very moment that the number one nation has perfected the science of killing,"
Barnet wrote, "It has become an impractical means of political domination."
Even the senior officer corps of the U.S. military saw it that way, since many of them had survived
the horrors of Vietnam as junior officers. The CIA could still wreak havoc in Latin America and elsewhere,
but the full destructive force of the U.S. military was not unleashed again until the invasion of
Panama in 1989 and the First Gulf War in 1991.
Half a century after Vietnam, we have tragically come full circle. With the CIA's politicized
intelligence running wild in Washington and its covert operations spreading violence and chaos across
every continent, President Trump faces the same pressures to maintain his own and his country's credibility
as Johnson and Nixon did. His predictable response has been to escalate ongoing wars in Syria, Iraq,
Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and West Africa, and to threaten new ones against North Korea, Iran and
Venezuela.
Trump is facing these questions, not just in one country, Vietnam, but in dozens of countries
across the world, and the interests perpetuating and fueling this cycle of crisis and war have only
become more entrenched over time, as
President Eisenhower warned that they would, despite the end of the Cold War and, until now,
the lack of any actual military threat to the United States.
Ironically but predictably, the U.S.'s aggressive and illegal war policy has finally provoked
a real military threat to the U.S., albeit one that has emerged only in response to U.S. war plans.
As I explained in a recent article , North Korea's discovery in 2016 of a U.S. plan to assassinate
its president, Kim Jong Un, and launch a Second Korean War has triggered a crash program to develop
long-range ballistic missiles that could give North Korea a viable nuclear deterrent and prevent
a U.S. attack. But the North Koreans will not feel safe from attack until their leaders and ours
are sure that their missiles can deliver a nuclear strike against the U.S. mainland.
The CIA's Pretexts for War
U.S. Air Force Colonel Fletcher Prouty was the chief of special operations for the Joint Chiefs
of Staff from 1955 to 1964, managing the global military support system for the CIA in Vietnam and
around the world. Fletcher Prouty's book,
The Secret Team: The CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World ,
was suppressed when it was first published in 1973. Thousands of copies disappeared from bookstores
and libraries, and a mysterious Army Colonel bought the entire shipment of 3,500 copies the publisher
sent to Australia. But Prouty's book was republished in 2011, and it is a timely account of the role
of the CIA in U.S. policy.
Prouty surprisingly described the role of the CIA as a response by powerful people and interests
to the abolition of the U.S. Department of War and the creation of the Department of Defense in 1947.
Once the role of the U.S. military was redefined as one of defense, in line with the United Nations
Charter's
prohibition against the threat or use of military force in 1945 and similar moves by other military
powers, it would require some kind of crisis or threat to justify using military force in the future,
both legally and politically. The main purpose of the CIA, as Prouty saw it, is to create such
pretexts for war.
The CIA is a hybrid of an intelligence service that gathers and analyzes foreign intelligence
and a clandestine service that conducts covert operations. Both functions are essential to creating
pretexts for war, and that is what they have done for 70 years.
Prouty described how the CIA infiltrated the U.S. military, the State Department, the National
Security Council and other government institutions, covertly placing its officers in critical positions
to ensure that its plans are approved and that it has access to whatever forces, weapons, equipment,
ammunition and other resources it needs to carry them out.
Many retired intelligence officers, such as Ray McGovern and the members of Veteran Intelligence
Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), saw the merging of clandestine operations with intelligence analysis
in one agency as corrupting the objective analysis they tried to provide to policymakers. They formed
VIPS in 2003 in response to the fabrication of politicized intelligence that provided false pretexts
for the U.S. to invade and destroy Iraq.
CIA in Syria and Africa
But Fletcher Prouty was even more disturbed by the way that the CIA uses clandestine operations
to trigger coups, wars and chaos. The civil and proxy war in Syria is a perfect example of what Prouty
meant. In late 2011, after destroying Libya and aiding in the torture-murder of Muammar Gaddafi,
the CIA and its allies began
flying fighters
and weapons from Libya to Turkey and infiltrating them into Syria. Then, working with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar, Turkey, Croatia and other allies, this operation poured
thousands of tons of weapons across Syria's borders to ignite and fuel a full-scale civil war.
Once these covert operations were under way, they ran wild until they had unleashed a savage Al
Qaeda affiliate in Syria (Jabhat al-Nusra, now rebranded as Jabhat Fateh al-Sham), spawned the even
more savage "Islamic State," triggered
the heaviest
and
probably the deadliest U.S. bombing campaign since Vietnam and drawn Russia, Iran, Turkey, Israel,
Jordan, Hezbollah, Kurdish militias and almost every state or armed group in the Middle East into
the chaos of Syria's civil war.
Meanwhile, as Al Qaeda and Islamic State have expanded their operations across Africa, the U.N.
has published a report titled
Journey to Extremismin Africa: Drivers, Incentives and the Tipping Point for Recruitment
, based on 500 interviews with African militants. This study has found that the kind of special operations
and training missions the CIA and AFRICOM are conducting and supporting in Africa are in fact the
critical "tipping point" that drives Africans to join militant groups like Al Qaeda, Al-Shabab and
Boko Haram.
The report found that government action, such as the killing or detention of friends or family,
was the "tipping point" that drove 71 percent of African militants interviewed to join armed groups,
and that this was a more important factor than religious ideology.
The conclusions of Journey to Extremism in Africa confirm the findings of other similar
studies. The Center for Civilians in Conflict interviewed 250 civilians who joined armed groups in
Bosnia, Somalia, Gaza and Libya for its 2015 study,
The People's Perspectives: Civilian Involvement in Armed Conflict . The study
found that the most common motivation for civilians to join armed groups was simply to protect themselves
or their families.
The role of U.S. "counterterrorism" operations in fueling armed resistance and terrorism, and
the absence of any plan to reduce the asymmetric violence unleashed by the "global war on terror,"
would be no surprise to Fletcher Prouty. As he explained, such clandestine operations always take
on a life of their own that is unrelated, and often counter-productive, to any rational U.S. policy
objective.
"The more intimate one becomes with this activity," Prouty wrote, "The more one begins to realize
that such operations are rarely, if ever, initiated from an intent to become involved in pursuit
of some national objective in the first place."
The U.S. justifies the deployment of 6,000 U.S. special forces and military trainers to
53 of the 54 countries in Africa as a response to terrorism. But the U.N.'s Journey to Extremism
in Africa study makes it clear that the U.S. militarization of Africa is in fact the "tipping
point" that is driving Africans across the continent to join armed resistance groups in the first
place.
This is a textbook CIA operation on the same model as Vietnam in the late 1950s and early
60s. The CIA uses U.S. special forces and training missions to launch covert and proxy military operations
that drive local populations into armed resistance groups, and then uses the presence of those armed
resistance groups to justify ever-escalating U.S. military involvement. This is Vietnam redux on
a continental scale.
Taking on China
What seems to really be driving the CIA's militarization of U.S. policy in Africa is China's growing
influence on the continent. As Steve Bannon put it in an
interview with the Economist in August, "Let's go screw up One Belt One Road."
China is already too big and powerful for the U.S. to apply what is known as the Ledeen doctrine
named for neoconservative theorist and intelligence operative Michael Ledeen who suggested that every
10 years or so, the United States "pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against
the wall, just to show we mean business."
China is too powerful and armed with nuclear weapons. So, in this case, the CIA's job would be
to spread violence and chaos to disrupt Chinese trade and investment, and to make African governments
increasingly dependent on U.S. military aid to fight the militant groups spawned and endlessly regenerated
by U.S.-led "counterterrorism" operations.
Neither Ledeen nor Bannon pretend that such policies are designed to build more prosperous or
viable societies in the Middle East or Africa, let alone to benefit their people. They both know
very well what Richard Barnet already understood 45 years ago, that America's unprecedented investment
in weapons, war and CIA covert operations are only good for one thing: to kill people and destroy
infrastructure, reducing cities to rubble, societies to chaos and the desperate survivors to poverty
and displacement.
As long as the CIA and the U.S. military keep plunging the scapegoats for our failed policies
into economic crisis, violence and chaos, the United States and the United Kingdom can remain the
safe havens of the world's wealth, islands of privilege and excess amidst the storms they unleash
on others.
But if that is the only "significant national objective" driving these policies, it is surely
about time for the 99 percent of Americans who reap no benefit from these murderous schemes to stop
the CIA and its allies before they completely wreck the already damaged and fragile world in which
we all must live, Americans and foreigners alike.
Douglas Valentine has probably studied the CIA in more depth than any other American journalist,
beginning with his book on
The Phoenix Program in Vietnam. He has written a new book titled
The CIA as Organized Crime: How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World, in which he brings Fletcher Prouty's
analysis right up to the present day, describing the CIA's role in our current wars and the many
ways it infiltrates, manipulates and controls U.S. policy.
The Three Scapegoats
In
Trump's speech to the U.N. General Assembly, he named North Korea, Iran and Venezuela as his
prime targets for destabilization, economic warfare and, ultimately, the overthrow of their governments,
whether by coup d'etat or the mass destruction of their civilian population and infrastructure.
But Trump's choice of scapegoats for America's failures was obviously not based on a rational reassessment
of foreign policy priorities by the new administration. It was only a tired rehashing of the CIA's
unfinished business with two-thirds of Bush's "axis of evil" and Bush White House official
Elliott Abrams'
failed 2002 coup in Caracas, now laced with explicit and illegal threats of aggression.
How Trump and the CIA plan to sacrifice their three scapegoats for America's failures remains
to be seen. This is not 2001, when the world stood silent at the U.S. bombardment and invasion of
Afghanistan after September 11th. It is more like 2003, when the U.S. destruction of Iraq split the
Atlantic alliance and alienated most of the world. It is certainly not 2011, after Obama's global
charm offensive had rebuilt U.S. alliances and provided cover for French President Sarkozy, British
Prime Minister Cameron, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Arab royals to destroy Libya,
once ranked by the U.N. as the
most developed country
in Africa , now mired in intractable chaos.
In 2017, a U.S. attack on any one of Trump's scapegoats would isolate the United States from many
of its allies and undermine its standing in the world in far-reaching ways that might be more permanent
and harder to repair than the invasion and destruction of Iraq.
In Venezuela, the CIA and the right-wing opposition are following the same strategy that President
Nixon ordered the CIA to inflict on Chile, to
"make the economy
scream" in preparation for the 1973 coup. But the
solid victory of Venezuela's
ruling Socialist Party in recent nationwide gubernatorial elections, despite a long and deep
economic crisis, reveals little public support for the CIA's puppets in Venezuela.
The CIA has successfully discredited the Venezuelan government through economic warfare, increasingly
violent right-wing street protests and a global propaganda campaign. But the CIA has stupidly hitched
its wagon to an extreme right-wing, upper-class opposition that has no credibility with most of the
Venezuelan public, who still turn out for the Socialists at the polls. A CIA coup or U.S. military
intervention would meet fierce public resistance and damage U.S. relations all over Latin America.
Boxing In North Korea
A U.S. aerial bombardment or "preemptive strike" on North Korea could quickly escalate into a
war between the U.S. and China, which has reiterated
its commitment to North
Korea's defense if North Korea is attacked. We do not know exactly what was in the
U.S. war plan discovered by North Korea, so neither can we know how North Korea and China could
respond if the U.S. pressed ahead with it.
Most analysts have long concluded that any U.S. attack on North Korea would be met with a North
Korean artillery and missile barrage that would inflict unacceptable civilian casualties on Seoul,
a metropolitan area of 26 million people, three times the population of New York City. Seoul is only
35 miles from the frontier with North Korea, placing it within range of a huge array of North Korean
weapons. What was already a no-win calculus is now compounded by the possibility that North Korea
could respond with nuclear weapons, turning any prospect of a U.S. attack into an even worse nightmare.
U.S. mismanagement of its relations with North Korea should be an object lesson for its relations
with Iran, graphically demonstrating the advantages of diplomacy, talks and agreements over threats
of war. Under the
Agreed Framework
signed in 1994, North Korea stopped work on two much larger nuclear reactors than the small experimental
one operating at Yongbyong since 1986, which only produces 6 kg of plutonium per year, enough for
one nuclear bomb.
The lesson of Bush's Iraq invasion in 2003 after Saddam Hussein had complied with demands that
he destroy Iraq's stockpiles of chemical weapons and shut down a nascent nuclear program was not
lost on North Korea. Not only did the invasion lay waste to large sections of Iraq with hundreds
of thousands of dead but Hussein himself was hunted down and condemned to death by hanging.
Still, after North Korea tested its first nuclear weapon in 2006, even its small experimental
reactor was shut down as a result of the
"Six Party Talks" in
2007, all the fuel rods were removed and placed under supervision of the International Atomic Energy
Agency, and the cooling tower of the reactor was demolished in 2008.
But then, as relations deteriorated, North Korea conducted a second nuclear weapon test and again
began reprocessing spent fuel rods to recover plutonium for use in nuclear weapons.
North Korea has now conducted six nuclear weapons tests. The explosions in
the first five tests increased gradually up to 15-25 kilotons, about the yield of the bombs the
U.S. dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but estimates for the yield of the 2017 test range
from 110
to 250 kilotons , comparable
to a small hydrogen bomb.
The even greater danger in a new war in Korea is that the U.S. could unleash part of its arsenal
of
4,000 more powerful weapons (100 to 1,200 kilotons), which could kill millions of people and
devastate and poison the region, or even the world, for years to come.
The U.S. willingness to scrap the Agreed Framework in 2003, the breakdown of the Six Party Talks
in 2009 and the U.S. refusal to acknowledge that its own military actions and threats create legitimate
defense concerns for North Korea have driven the North Koreans into a corner from which they see
a credible nuclear deterrent as their only chance to avoid mass destruction.
China has proposed a
reasonable framework for diplomacy to address the concerns of both sides, but the U.S. insists
on maintaining its propaganda narratives that all the fault lies with North Korea and that it has
some kind of "military solution" to the crisis.
This may be the most dangerous idea we have heard from U.S. policymakers since the end of the
Cold War, but it is the logical culmination of a
systematic normalization of deviant and illegal U.S. war-making that has already cost millions
of lives in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen and Pakistan. As historian Gabriel Kolko
wrote in Century of War in 1994, "options and decisions that are intrinsically dangerous
and irrational become not merely plausible but the only form of reasoning about war and diplomacy
that is possible in official circles."
Demonizing Iran
The idea that Iran has ever had a nuclear weapons program is seriously contested by the IAEA,
which has examined every allegation presented by the CIA and other Western "intelligence" agencies
as well as Israel. Former IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei revealed many details of this wild
goose chase in his 2011 memoir,
Age of Deception: Nuclear Diplomacy in Treacherous Times .
When the CIA and its partners reluctantly acknowledged the IAEA's conclusions in a 2007 National
Intelligence Estimate (NIE), ElBaradei issued
a press release confirming that, "the agency has no concrete evidence of an ongoing nuclear weapons
program or undeclared nuclear facilities in Iran."
Since 2007, the IAEA has resolved all its outstanding concerns with Iran. It has verified that
dual-use technologies that Iran imported before 2003 were in fact used for other purposes, and it
has exposed the mysterious "laptop documents" that appeared to show Iranian plans for a nuclear weapon
as forgeries. Gareth Porter thoroughly explored all these questions and allegations and the history
of mistrust that fueled them in his 2014 book,
Manufactured
Crisis: the Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare , which I highly recommend.
But, in the parallel Bizarro world of U.S. politics, hopelessly poisoned by the CIA's
endless disinformation campaigns, Hillary Clinton could repeatedly take false credit for disarming
Iran during her presidential campaign, and neither Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump nor any corporate
media interviewer dared to challenge her claims.
"When President Obama took office, Iran was racing toward a nuclear bomb," Clinton fantasized
in a
prominent foreign policy speech on June 2, 2016, claiming that her brutal sanctions policy "brought
Iran to the table."
In fact, as Trita Parsi documented in his 2012 book,
A Single
Roll of the Dice: Obama's Diplomacy With Iran , the Iranians were ready, not just
to "come to the table," but to sign a comprehensive agreement based on a U.S. proposal brokered by
Turkey and Brazil in 2010. But, in a classic case of "tail wags dog," the U.S. then rejected its
own proposal because it would have undercut support for tighter sanctions in the U.N. Security Council.
In other words, Clinton's sanctions policy did not "bring Iran to the table", but prevented the U.S.
from coming to the table itself.
As a senior State Department official told Trita Parsi, the real problem with U.S. diplomacy with
Iran when Clinton was at the State Department was that the U.S. would not take "Yes" for an answer.
Trump's ham-fisted decertification of Iran's compliance with the JCPOA is right out of Clinton's
playbook, and it demonstrates that the CIA is still determined to use Iran as a scapegoat for America's
failures in the Middle East.
The spurious claim that Iran is the world's greatest sponsor of terrorism is another CIA canard
reinforced by endless repetition. It is true that Iran supports and supplies weapons to Hezbollah
and Hamas, which are both listed as terrorist organizations by the U.S. government. But they are
mainly defensive resistance groups that defend Lebanon and Gaza respectively against invasions and
attacks by Israel.
Shifting attention away from Al Qaeda, Islamic State, the
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group and other groups that actually commit terrorist crimes around the
world might just seem like a case of the CIA "taking its eyes off the ball," if it wasn't so transparently
timed to frame Iran with new accusations now that the manufactured crisis of the nuclear scare has
run its course.
What the Future Holds
Barack Obama's most consequential international achievement may have been the triumph of symbolism
over substance behind which he expanded and escalated the so-called "war on terror," with a vast
expansion of covert operations and proxy wars that eventually triggered the
heaviest U.S.
aerial bombardments since Vietnam in Iraq and Syria.
Obama's charm offensive invigorated old and new military alliances with the U.K., France and
the Arab monarchies, and he quietly ran up the
most expensive military budget of any president since World War Two.
But Obama's expansion of the "war on terror" under cover of his deceptive global public relations
campaign created many more problems than it solved, and Trump and his advisers are woefully ill-equipped
to solve any of them. Trump's expressed desire to place America first and to resist foreign entanglements
is hopelessly at odds with his aggressive, bullying approach to every foreign policy problem.
If the U.S. could threaten and fight its way to a resolution of any of its international problems,
it would have done so already. That is exactly what it has been trying to do since the 1990s, behind
both the swagger and bluster of Bush and Trump and the deceptive charm of Clinton and Obama: a "good
cop – bad cop" routine that should no longer fool anyone anywhere.
But as Lyndon Johnson found as he waded deeper and deeper into the Big Muddy in Vietnam, lying
to the public about unwinnable wars does not make them any more winnable. It just gets more people
killed and makes it harder and harder to ever tell the public the truth.
In unwinnable wars based on lies, the "credibility" problem only gets more complicated, as new
lies require new scapegoats and convoluted narratives to explain away graveyards filled by old lies.
Obama's cynical global charm offensive bought the "war on terror" another eight years, but that only
allowed the CIA to drag the U.S. into more trouble and spread its chaos to more places around the
world.
Meanwhile, Russian President Putin is winning hearts and minds in capitals around the world by
calling for a recommitment to the
rule of international
law , which
prohibits
the threat or use of military force except in self-defense. Every new U.S. threat or act of aggression
will only make Putin's case more persuasive, not least to important U.S. allies like South Korea,
Germany and other members of the European Union, whose complicity in U.S. aggression has until now
helped to give it a false veneer of political legitimacy.
Throughout history, serial aggression has nearly always provoked increasingly united opposition,
as peace-loving countries and people have reluctantly summoned the courage to stand up to an aggressor.
France under Napoleon and Hitler's Germany also regarded themselves as exceptional, and in their
own ways they were. But in the end, their belief in their exceptionalism led them on to defeat and
destruction.
Americans had better hope that we are not so exceptional, and that the world will find a diplomatic
rather than a military "solution" to its American problem. Our chances of survival would improve
a great deal if American officials and politicians would finally start to act like something other
than putty in the hands of the CIA
Nicolas J. S. Davies is the author of Blood On Our Hands: the American Invasion and Destruction
of Iraq . He also wrote the chapters on "Obama at War" in Grading the 44th President: a Report Card
on Barack Obama's First Term as a Progressive Leader .
"... Whitehead documents how hard a not guilty verdict is to come by for an innocent defendant. Even if the falsely accused defendant and his attorney survive the prosecutor's pressure to negotiate a plea bargain and arrive at a trial, they are confronted with jurors who are unable to doubt prosecutors, police, or witnesses paid to lie against the innocent defendant. ..."
"... The question is: why do Americans not only sit silently while the lives of innocents are destroyed, but also actually support the destruction of the lives of innocents? Why do Americans believe "official sources" despite the proven fact that "official sources" lie repeatedly and never tell the truth? ..."
"... The only conclusion that one can come to is that the American people have failed. We have failed Justice. We have failed Mercy. We have failed the US Constitution. We have failed Truth. We have failed Democracy and representative government. We have failed ourselves and humanity. We have failed the confidence that our Founding Fathers put in us. We have failed God. If we ever had the character that we are told we had, we have obviously lost it. Little, if anything, remains of the "American character." ..."
"... The failure of the American character has had tremendous and disastrous consequences for ourselves and for the world. At home Americans have a police state in which all Constitutional protections have vanished. Abroad, Iraq and Libya, two formerly prosperous countries, have been destroyed. Libya no longer exists as a country. One million dead Iraqis, four million displaced abroad, hundreds of thousands of orphans and birth defects from the American ordnance, and continuing ongoing violence from factions fighting over the remains. These facts are incontestable. Yet the United States Government claims to have brought "freedom and democracy" to Iraq. "Mission accomplished," declared one of the mass murderers of the 21st century, George W. Bush. ..."
"... The question is: how can the US government make such an obviously false outrageous claim without being shouted down by the rest of the world and by its own population? Is the answer that good character has disappeared from the world? ..."
"... Or is the rest of the world too afraid to protest? Washington can force supposedly sovereign countries to acquiesce to its will or be cut off from the international payments mechanism that Washington controls, and/or be sanctioned, and/or be bombed, droned, or invaded, and/or be assassinated or overthrown in a coup. On the entire planet Earth there are only two countries capable of standing up to Washington, Russia and China, and neither wants to stand up if they can avoid it. ..."
"... For whatever the reasons, not only Americans but most of the world as well accommodate Washington's evil and are thereby complicit in the evil. Those humans with a moral conscience are gradually being positioned by Washington and London as "domestic extremists" who might have to be rounded up and placed in detention centers. Examine the recent statements by General Wesley Clark and British Prime Minister Cameron and remember Janet Napolitano's statement that the Department of Homeland Security has shifted its focus from terrorists to domestic extremists, an undefined and open-ended term. ..."
"... Americans with good character are being maneuvered into a position of helplessness. ..."
"... When Clinton's Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, was asked if the Clinton's regime's sanctions, which had claimed the lives of 500,000 Iraqi children, were justified, she obviously expected no outrage from the American people when she replied in the affirmative. ..."
"... ... Americans are "intentionally ignorant" of other countries' rights and sovereignty while other countries had been well-informed of America's malicious intents of destroying other countries' rights and sovereignty ... ..."
"... No, I don't think Americans are intentionally ignorant, any more than other nationalities. What they are tribal. Tribal peoples don't care whether their policies are right or wrong; they are instinctively loyal to them and to those who formulate them. ..."
"... "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind." -- Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda ..."
"... "Americans need to face the facts. The loss of character means the loss of liberty and the transformation of government into a criminal enterprise." ..."
"... "When a population becomes distracted by trivia, when cultural life is redefined as a perpetual round of entertainments, when serious public conversation becomes a form of baby-talk, when, in short, a people become an audience and their public business a vaudeville act, then a nation finds itself at risk; a culture-death is a clear possibility." ..."
"... Look at the demographics of the Western Hemisphere. If you have a shred of honesty you just can't hang the blame on 'whites', put it on a bumper sticker or a #shittyhashtagmeme and go back to fucking off. The disgusting fraud of Manifest Destiny was a fig leaf to hide the enormity of these crimes; but, they are most obviously European crimes....& has Europe changed since the West was settled? Did Europeans even stop their warring amongst themselves? ..."
"... "The loss of character means the loss of liberty and the transformation of government into a criminal enterprise." ..."
"... I agree with Paul Craig Roberts. He asks "Why" and "How." Well, Paul, here is my answer. Decades of Public Education and over 50 years of mass media monopoly. In an age where FOX is the top rated News station and CNN is considered liberal? Where kids in Public school are offered Chocolate milk and frozen pizza for school breakfast before going to class rooms with 30-40 kids. When Texas political appointees chose school text book content for the nation? A nation where service has ended, replaced with volunteer soldiers signing up for pay and benefits, instead of just serving as service, like we did in the 70's? ..."
"... There is a difference between IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY. As Ron White said, "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID". In todays information age, ignorance is a choice. ..."
"... The problem is that we have no "Constitution." That is a fable. The constitution of the separation of powers has been undermined from almost day one. Witness the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. ..."
"... Yes sir. Globalization has failed us. The infinite growth paradigm has failed us, as we knew it would. Castro's Cuba, based in a localized agrarian economy, is looking pretty good about now. Localization is the only way back to sustainability. ..."
"... Books? Who said books? You mean reading books? Let me throw a couple out there: I read 'The Image: A Guide To Pseudo-Events In America' last year, it was published 50+ years ago by a very recommended writer and accomplished historian. Boorstin's observations are truer today and even more concerning thanks to our modern, ubiquitous "connectivity". http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/159979.The_Image ..."
"... Adorno famously pointed out in 1940 that the "Mass culture is psychoanalysis in reverse." ..."
"... He doesn't blame the masses because he simply points out the fact that Americans are completely ignorant and blindly believe anything MSM spoon-fed to them. ..."
"... Paul Craig Roberts believe that the people are capable of creating a better and more just society. Instead the people have voted against their own best interest and overwhelmingly believe the propaganda. ..."
"... "... the transformation of government into a criminal enterprise ..." ..."
"... Governments were created by the history of warfare, which was always organized crime developing on larger and larger scales. In the context, the greater problem is that people like Paul Craig Roberts are reactionary revolutionaries, who provide relatively good analysis, followed by bogus "solutions" based upon impossible ideals. ..."
"... The "American People" are the victims of the best scientific brainwashing that money could buy. As Cognitive Dissonance has previously stated on Zero Hedge: "The absolute best controlled opposition is one that doesn't know they are controlled." ..."
"... The article above was another illustration of the ways that the typical reactionary revolutionaries, Black Sheeple, or controlled opposition groups, respond to recognizing the more and more blatant degrees to which there has been an accelerating "transformation of government into a criminal enterprise." THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY CONTINUE TO STAY WITHIN THE SAME OLD-FASHIONED BULLSHIT-BASED FRAME OF REFERENCE, INSTEAD, AROUND AND AROUND WE GO, STUCK IN THE SAME DEEPENING RUTS, since they do NOT more fully "face the facts" regarding how and why the only realistic solutions to the real problems would require developing better organized crime. INSTEAD, they continue to promote the same dualities based upon false fundamental dichotomies, and the associate bogus "solutions" based upon impossible ideals ... ..."
How can the life of such a man
Be in the palm of some fool's hand?
To see him obviously framed
Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game.-Bob Dylan, "Hurricane"
Attorney John W. Whitehead opens a recent posting on his Rutherford Institute website with these words from a song by Bob Dylan.
Why don't all of us feel ashamed? Why only Bob Dylan?
I wonder how many of Bob Dylan's fans understand what he is telling them. American justice has nothing to do with innocence or
guilt. It only has to do with the prosecutor's conviction rate, which builds his political career. Considering the gullibility of
the American people, American jurors are the last people to whom an innocent defendant should trust his fate. The jury will betray
the innocent almost every time.
As Lawrence Stratton and I show in our book (2000, 2008) there is no justice in America. We titled our book, "How the Law Was
Lost." It is a description of how the protective features in law that made law a shield of the innocent was transformed over time
into a weapon in the hands of the government, a weapon used against the people. The loss of law as a shield occurred prior to 9/11,
which "our representative government" used to construct a police state.
The marketing department of our publisher did not appreciate our title and instead came up with "The Tyranny of Good Intentions."
We asked what this title meant. The marketing department answered that we showed that the war on crime, which gave us the abuses
of RICO, the war on child abusers, which gave us show trials of total innocents that bested Joseph Stalin's show trials of the heroes
of the Bolshevik Revolution, and the war on drugs, which gave "Freedom and Democracy America" broken families and by far the highest
incarceration rate in the world all resulted from good intentions to combat crime, to combat drugs, and to combat child abuse. The
publisher's title apparently succeeded, because 15 years later the book is still in print. It has sold enough copies over these years
that, had the sales occurred upon publication would have made the book a "best seller." The book, had it been a best seller, would
have gained more attention, and perhaps law schools and bar associations could have used it to hold the police state at bay.
Whitehead documents how hard a not guilty verdict is to come by for an innocent defendant. Even if the falsely accused defendant
and his attorney survive the prosecutor's pressure to negotiate a plea bargain and arrive at a trial, they are confronted with jurors
who are unable to doubt prosecutors, police, or witnesses paid to lie against the innocent defendant. Jurors even convicted
the few survivors of the Clinton regime's assault on the Branch Davidians of Waco, the few who were not gassed, shot, or burned to
death by US federal forces. This religious sect was demonized by Washington and the presstitute media as child abusers who were manufacturing
automatic weapons while they raped children. The charges proved to be false, like Saddam Hussein's "weapons of mass destruction,"
and so forth, but only after all of the innocents were dead or in prison.
The question is: why do Americans not only sit silently while the lives of innocents are destroyed, but also actually support
the destruction of the lives of innocents? Why do Americans believe "official sources" despite the proven fact that "official sources"
lie repeatedly and never tell the truth?
The only conclusion that one can come to is that the American people have failed. We have failed Justice. We have failed Mercy.
We have failed the US Constitution. We have failed Truth. We have failed Democracy and representative government. We have failed
ourselves and humanity. We have failed the confidence that our Founding Fathers put in us. We have failed God. If we ever had the
character that we are told we had, we have obviously lost it. Little, if anything, remains of the "American character."
Was the American character present in the torture prisons of Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and hidden CIA torture dungeons where
US military and CIA personnel provided photographic evidence of their delight in torturing and abusing prisoners? Official reports
have concluded that along with torture went rape, sodomy, and murder. All of this was presided over by American psychologists with
Ph.D. degrees.
We see the same inhumanity in the American police who respond to women children, the elderly, the physically and mentally handicapped,
with gratuitous violence. For no reason whatsoever, police murder, taser, beat, and abuse US citizens. Every day there are more reports,
and despite the reports the violence goes on and on and on. Clearly, the police enjoy inflicting pain and death on citizens whom
the police are supposed to serve and protect. There have always been bullies in the police force, but the wanton police violence
of our time indicates a complete collapse of the American character.
The failure of the American character has had tremendous and disastrous consequences for ourselves and for the world. At home
Americans have a police state in which all Constitutional protections have vanished. Abroad, Iraq and Libya, two formerly prosperous
countries, have been destroyed. Libya no longer exists as a country. One million dead Iraqis, four million displaced abroad, hundreds
of thousands of orphans and birth defects from the American ordnance, and continuing ongoing violence from factions fighting over
the remains. These facts are incontestable. Yet the United States Government claims to have brought "freedom and democracy" to Iraq.
"Mission accomplished," declared one of the mass murderers of the 21st century, George W. Bush.
The question is: how can the US government make such an obviously false outrageous claim without being shouted down by the
rest of the world and by its own population? Is the answer that good character has disappeared from the world?
Or is the rest of the world too afraid to protest? Washington can force supposedly sovereign countries to acquiesce to its
will or be cut off from the international payments mechanism that Washington controls, and/or be sanctioned, and/or be bombed, droned,
or invaded, and/or be assassinated or overthrown in a coup. On the entire planet Earth there are only two countries capable of standing
up to Washington, Russia and China, and neither wants to stand up if they can avoid it.
For whatever the reasons, not only Americans but most of the world as well accommodate Washington's evil and are thereby complicit
in the evil. Those humans with a moral conscience are gradually being positioned by Washington and London as "domestic extremists"
who might have to be rounded up and placed in detention centers. Examine the recent statements by General Wesley Clark and British
Prime Minister Cameron and remember Janet Napolitano's statement that the Department of Homeland Security has shifted its focus from
terrorists to domestic extremists, an undefined and open-ended term.
Americans with good character are being maneuvered into a position of helplessness. As John Whitehead makes clear, the
American people cannot even prevent "their police," paid by their tax payments, from murdering 3 Americans each day, and this is
only the officially reported murders. The actual account is likely higher.
What Whitehead describes and what I have noticed for many years is that the American people have lost, in addition to their own
sense of truth and falsity, any sense of mercy and justice for other peoples. Americans accept no sense of responsibility for the
millions of peoples that Washington has exterminated over the past two decades dating back to the second term of Clinton. Every one
of the millions of deaths is based on a Washington lie.
When Clinton's Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, was asked if the Clinton's regime's sanctions, which had claimed the
lives of 500,000 Iraqi children, were justified, she obviously expected no outrage from the American people when she replied in the
affirmative.
Americans need to face the facts. The loss of character means the loss of liberty and the transformation of government into a
criminal enterprise.
benb
The American people have been scientifically mis-educated, propagandized, and beaten down. A disproportionate number of the
under 30's are societal DOAs thanks to ... weaponized TV. But I am being too optimistic...
PrayingMantis
... Americans are "intentionally ignorant" of other countries' rights and sovereignty while other countries had been well-informed
of America's malicious intents of destroying other countries' rights and sovereignty ...
BarnacleBill
No, I don't think Americans are intentionally ignorant, any more than other nationalities. What they are tribal. Tribal
peoples don't care whether their policies are right or wrong; they are instinctively loyal to them and to those who formulate
them.
Also, I have to say that I believe the US empire is a long, long, way from collapse. It is still expanding, for goodness sake.
Empires collapse only when the shrinking process is well under way. (The recent Soviet Empire was exceptional, in this regard.)
It will take several more generations before the darkness lifts, I'm afraid.
macholatte
The only conclusion that one can come to is that the American people have failed.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element
in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the
true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely
by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers
of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost
every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking,
we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the
masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."
-- Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda
OldPhart
"Americans need to face the facts. The loss of character means the loss of liberty and the transformation of government
into a criminal enterprise."
I think that happened August 13, 1971, but didn't get fully organized (as in Mafia) until 2000.
PT
The majority have their nose to the grind stone and as such can not see past the grind stone. They rely on "official sources"
to put the rest of the world in order for them, but have no time to audit the "official sources". Would public education suffer
if mothers and fathers were monitoring what the children were learning? But who has got time for that when both parents are working?
How many non-work organizations were your parents and grand-parents involved in (both the wage-earner and the housekeeper)? How
many organizations are you involved in?
Do you constantly hassle your local politicians or do you just say, "I'll vote 'em out in four years time"? (Yes, I know, you
just don't vote. Fair enough, this question is for the voters.)
Yes, some of us are guilty of not fighting back. We had "Shut up and do as you're told" and "Well, if you're not happy with
what you've got then work harder" beaten into us. Some of us are a little awake because, despite all our efforts, the grind stone
was removed from us and then we got to see the larger picture of what lies behind the grind stone. Others are still busy, nose
to the wheel, and all they see is the wheel.
And that is before we even consider HypnoToad on the Idiot Box. Some "need" the idiot box to help them wind down. Some can
no longer enjoy the silence. (Remember Brave New World? It's true. Many people can no longer stand to be around silence, with
nothing but their own thoughts.) I tell everyone that TV is crap. Radio is crap. Newspapers are crap. Turn that shit off for six
months to a year, then go back to it and see what you really think of it. But they can't handle the thought of being away from
"the background noise".
Ever spoken to grandparents who remember wars and depressions? And even amongst the rations and the hardships they still find
positive memories? Time to talk to them again. Or not. I guess we'll get first-hand experience soon enough.
Allow me for a moment to share a brief anecdote about the new "American Character".
Last Sunday I was at the local supermarket. I was at the bakery counter, when suddenly a nicely dressed, Sunday best, non-Caucasian
woman barrels into my cart riding a fat scooter. She rudely demands from the counter person a single cinnamon bun and then wheels
off towards the front. Curious, I follow her up the aisle as she scarfs down the pastry in three bites. She then proceeds to stuff
the empty bag between some soda bottles and scooters through the checkout without paying for her item. In the parking lot she
then disembarks from her scooter, easily lifts it into the trunk of her Cadillac and walks to the drivers side, gets in and speeds
off with her kids, who were in the back seat.
Amazed at what I had just witnessed, I went back into the store, retrieved the empty bag, included it in my few items at checkout
and then went to the manager to share this story with him. He laughed and said there was nothing he could do.
The new "American Character" is that of a sense of entitlement and apathy.
I weep for the future.
Headbanger
Having character is not politically correct. Plus there's no need to develop character anymore because there's no jobs requiring
any!
Consumption is the ONLY value of the inDUHvidual today.
And the less character they have, the more shit they'll consume to feel fulfilled cause they can't get that from themselves.
clymer Sat, 07/25/2015 - 07:34
Macholatte, i don't think PCR is writing from a point of view that is haughty and contemptful of the American people, per se,
but rather from a perspective that is hopeless and thoroughly depressed after contemplating what the American people of many generations
ago has taken for themselves as natural rights from a tyrranical government, only to see the nation slowly morph into something
even worse than what was rejected by the founders.
"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within...
He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body
politic so that it can no longer resist."
ThroxxOfVron
"The loss of character means the loss of liberty and the transformation of government into a criminal enterprise. "
"I think that happened August 13, 1971 "
The entirety of the Western Hemisphere, not just 'The United States', was seized by invaders from Europe.
It is not an 'American' disease: it is a European disease and always was.
The indiginous populations of the Western Hemisphere were suystemaically and with forethought expropriated, ensalved, and slaughtered.
The indiginous persons that dwelled within the geographical domain that presently comprise the USA were still being margialized,
forcibly relocated, and murdered, long after the so-called 'American Civil War' had been decided.
...& As much as it is fashionable and/or politically expedient to vilify and blame the 'white' Europeans both for this history
and extenuate that history to inform the present state of affairs, the Dutch, the French, the Portuguese, and the Spanish ( most
eggregiously IMHO) were brutal and savage.
Look at the demographics of the Western Hemisphere.
If you have a shred of honesty you just can't hang the blame on 'whites', put it on a bumper sticker or a #shittyhashtagmeme
and go back to fucking off.
The disgusting fraud of Manifest Destiny was a fig leaf to hide the enormity of these crimes; but, they are most obviously
European crimes.
...& has Europe changed since the West was settled? Did Europeans even stop their warring amonsgst themselves?
Neither in Europe itself, nor in the settled West.
The Pacific Ocean wasn't named for calm waters.
It was named thusly because it is the natural geographic boundary where the mayhem and brutality and genocide ceased, if only
because the greedy and ruthless Europeans had run out of land in the Western Hemisphere with people upon it to plunder and murder...
El Vaquero
The US will collapse within the next decade if some serious new technology is not developed and the infrastructure to use it
is put in. There is too much debt and not enough material resources to continue growing the ponzi scheme that is our monetary
system at an exponential rate without something breaking. The question is, will it be at the end of this boom-bust cycle, or the
next? And if you look at what is being done on the financial front, which is the backbone of our neo-empire, that is shrinking.
The USD is slowly falling out of favor. There will come a point where that rapidly accelerates. We've been in a state of collapse
for 15 years.
Abitdodgie
ignorance is choice these days and Americans love it.
AetosAeros
Not only a choice, but the ONLY choice they are prepared to accept. Cognitive Dissonance at it's finest. And to make matters
worse, in only the best American fashion, we've asked if if it can be Supersized to go along with the Freedom Lies we feed ourselves.
I've seen the enemy, and....
But only if I'm willing to look in the mirror. Today's American doesn't look for what's right there in front of him/her, we
look for all the new 'Social Norms' that we aren't living up to. This article is completely on target, and I hope Roberts hasn't
decided to do any remodeling, cause too many idle nails guns make for a great Evening News sidebar mention.
Damnit all to hell.
Fun Facts
Fun Facts's picture
protocol #1 - Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
protocol #2 - Start fights between different races, classes and religions
... ... ...
protocol #13 - Use our media to create entertaining distractions
protocol #14 - Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
protocol #15 - Encourage people to spy on one another
Rubicon727
We educators began seeing this shift towards "me-ism" around 1995-6. Students from low to middle income families became either
apathetic towards "education" or followed their parent's sense of "entitlement." Simultaneously, the tech age captured both population's
attention. Respecting "an education" dwindled.
Fast forward to the present: following the 2007-8 crash, we noted clear divisions between low income vs middle/upper class
students based on their school behavior. Low to slightly middle income students brought to school family tensions and the turmoil
of parents losing their jobs. A rise in non-functioning students increase for teachers while the few well performing students
decline significantly.
Significant societal, financial shifts in America can always be observed in the student population.
reader2010
Mission Accomplished.
"When a population becomes distracted by trivia, when cultural life is redefined as a perpetual round of entertainments,
when serious public conversation becomes a form of baby-talk, when, in short, a people become an audience and their public business
a vaudeville act, then a nation finds itself at risk; a culture-death is a clear possibility."
- Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business, 1985
Lea
"The American people have been scientifically mis-educated".
You've got the answer there. The education system is the root cause of the problem. I'm from Europe, but if I've understood
correctly, the US education policy is to teach as little as possible to children, and expect them to fill in the gaps in the Universities,
past a certain age.
Only, it can't work. Children WILL learn, as childhood is the time when most informations are stored. If the schools don't
provide the knowledge, they will get it from the television, movies or games, with the consequences we can see: ignorance, obsession
with TV and movies stars, inability to differentiate life from movies, and over-simplistic reasoning (if any).
In Europe, we knew full well children learn fast and a lot, and that was why the schools focused on teaching them as much general
knowldge as possible before 18 years old, which is when - it is scientifically proved - the human brain learns best.
Recently, the EU leading countries have understood that having educated masses doesn't pay if you want to lead them like sheep,
so they are perfidiously trying to lower the standards... to the dismay of parents.
My advice, if I may presume to give any, would be to you USA people: teach your children what they won't learn at school, history,
geography, literature (US, European and even Asian, why not), a foreign language if you can, arts, music, etc; and keep them away
from the TV, movies and games.
And please adapt what you teach them to their age.
Refuse-Resist
Bang on! One anecdotal example: insisting that all 3rd graders use calculators "to learn" their multiplication tables. If I
didn't do flashcards at home with my kids they wouldn't know them. As somebody who majored in engineering and took many many advanced math courses, I always felt that knowing your 'times tables'
was essential to being successful in math.
What better way to dumb down otherwise intelligent children by creating a situation where the kid can't divide 32 by 4 without
a calculator. Trigonometry? Calculus? Linear Algebra? Fuggedaboudit.
doctor10
The CB's and MIC have Americans right where they want them. the consequences of 3-4 generations of force feeding Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny
ThroxxOfVron
Some of US were never fucking asleep. Some of us were born with our eyes and minds open. We were, and are: hated, and reviled, and marginalized, and disowned for it. The intellectual repression was, and is, fucking insane and brutal. Words such as ethics and logic exist for what purpose? What are these expressions of? A bygone time? Abstractions?
Those that have tried to preserve their self awareness, empathy, and rationality have been ruthlessly systematically demeaned
and condemed for confronting our families, our culture and institutions. We all have a right to be angry and disgusted and distrustful of the people and institutions around us. I am very fucking angry, and disgusted, and distrustful of the people and institutions around me.
But I still have hope. Nothing lasts forever.. This self-righteous nation called The United States, this twisted fraud of a culture called America, is most dangerously overdue
for receipt of chastisment and retribution. It would be best if the citizenry of the United States taught themselves a lesson in stead of inviting Other nations and cultures
to educate them.
A serious self education may be tedious and imperfect; but, it would be far far cheaper than forcing someone to come all the
way over those oceans to educate Americans at the price they will be demanding for those lessons...
I do not require representation. I will speak my own mind and act of my own accord.
Every time other so-called Americans take a shit on me for thinking and speaking and acting differently it is a badge of honor
and a confirmation of my spiritual and intellectual liberty. They don't know it but they are all gonna run out of shit before
I run out of being free.
ThroxxOfVron
"The loss of character means the loss of liberty and the transformation of government into a criminal enterprise. "
"I think that happened August 13, 1971 "
The entirety of the Western Hemisphere, not just 'The United States', was seized by invaders from Europe. It is not an 'American' disease: it is a European disease and always was.
The indiginous populations of the Western Hemisphere were suystemaically and with forethought expropriated, ensalved, and slaughtered.
The indiginous persons that dwelled within the geographical domain that presently comprise the USA were still being margialized,
forcibly relocated, and murdered, long after the so-called 'American Civil War' had been decided.
...& As much as it is fashionable and/or politically expedient to vilify and blame the 'white' Europeans both for this history
and extenuate that history to inform the present state of affairs, the Dutch, the French, the Portuguese, and the Spanish ( most
eggregiously IMHO) were brutal and savage.
Look at the demographics of the Western Hemisphere. If you have a shred of honesty you just can't hang the blame on 'whites', put it on a bumper sticker or a #shittyhashtagmeme
and go back to fucking off. The disgusting fraud of Manifest Destiny was a fig leaf to hide the enormity of these crimes; but, they are most obviously
European crimes....& has Europe changed since the West was settled? Did Europeans even stop their warring amongst themselves?
See for yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe
That would be: Hell NO. Neither in Europe itself, nor in the settled West. The Pacific Ocean wasn't named for calm waters. It was named thusly because it is the natural geographic boundary where the mayhem and brutality and genocide ceased, if only
because the greedy and ruthless Europeans had run out of land in the Western Hemisphere with people upon it to plunder and murder...
Mini-Me
"The loss of character means the loss of liberty and the transformation of government into a criminal enterprise."
I agree with the first part. As for the latter, "government," by definition, is a criminal enterprise. It doesn't start out
pure as the driven snow and then change into something nefarious over time. Its very essence requires the initiation of violence
or its threat. Government without the gun in the ribs is a contradiction.
The fact that those in power got more votes than the losing criminals does not magically morph these people into paragons of
virtue. They are almost without exception thoroughly deranged human beings. Lying is second nature to them. Looting is part of
the job description. Killing is an end to their means: the acquisition and aggrandizement of power over others, no matter how
much death and destruction results.
These people are sick bastards. To expect something virtuous from them after an endless string of wanton slaughter, theft and
abuse, is simply wishful thinking.
Jack Burton
I agree with Paul Craig Roberts. He asks "Why" and "How." Well, Paul, here is my answer. Decades of Public Education and over
50 years of mass media monopoly. In an age where FOX is the top rated News station and CNN is considered liberal? Where kids in
Public school are offered Chocolate milk and frozen pizza for school breakfast before going to class rooms with 30-40 kids. When
Texas political appointees chose school text book content for the nation? A nation where service has ended, replaced with volunteer
soldiers signing up for pay and benefits, instead of just serving as service, like we did in the 70's?
Paul Craig Roberts points out the police war against the people. That comes right from the very top, orders filter down to
street cops. Street Cops are recruited from groups of young men our fathers generation would have labeled mental! But now they
are hired across the board, shaved heads, tatoos, and a code of silence and Cops Above Justice.
Schools
Media
Crazed Cops
And a corporate owned government.
The people have allowed the elites to rule in their place, never bothering to question the two fake candidates we are allowed
to vote for.
Jtrillian
There is a difference between IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY. As Ron White said, "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID". In todays information age, ignorance is a choice.
Part of the problem that no one is talking about or addressing is the population explosion. And it's not linear. Those who
are the least educated, fully dependent others for their survival (welfare), the most complacent, and often with violent criminal
records are breeding the fastest.
Evolution is not guaranteed. It can be argued that the apathy we experience today is a sign of the human race de-evolving.
It takes a certain amount of cognitive ability to observe and question what is going on.
Further, the society we have created where "60 is the new 40" creates very little time to pay attention to what is going on
in the world. Many people rely on mainstream media which is not really news any more. When six corporations control more than
90% of the news, it's the message of the corporate elite that we are fed. This becomes painfully obvious when you start turning
to other sources for information like social media and independent news. Mainstream media today is full of opinion bias - injecting
opinion as though it were fact. They also appeal to the lowest commmon denominator by focusing on emotionally charged topics and
words rather than boring facts. Finally, the mainstream media is extremely guilty of propaganda by omission, ignoring important
events altogether or only presenting one side of the story as is being done with regard to ISIS, Syria, and Ukraine today. People
who watch the mainstream media have no idea that the US played a significant role in arming ISIS and aided in their rise to power.
They have no idea that it was likely ISIS that used chemical weapons in Syria. They have no idea that the US has propped up real
life neo nazis in high government positions in Ukraine. And they have ignored the continuing Fukushima disaster that is STILL
dumping millions of gallons of radioactive water into the ocean every single day.
To sum up, democracies only work when people pay attention and participate. People are either too stupid, too overworked, are
are looking to the wrong sources for information.
Until we break up mainstream media, remove incentives for those who cannot even care for themselves to stop breeding, and make
fundamental changes to our society that affords people the time to focus on what is happening in the world, it will only get worse.
Much worse.
serotonindumptruck
A dying empire is like a wounded, cornered animal.
It will lash out uncontrollably and without remorse in a futile effort to save itself from certain death.
Enough Already
The problem is that we have no "Constitution." That is a fable. The constitution of the separation of powers has been undermined
from almost day one. Witness the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798.
In the centuries since then, there has been no "separation of powers." Marbury v Madison (1803) gave the Supreme Court the
right to "decide" what the "law" was. Although, only in the 20th century did the "Supreme" court really start "legislating" from
the bench.
We're just peons to the Overall Federal Power; the three "separate" parts of the federal government have been in collusion
from the first. But like all empires, this one is in the final stage of collapse; it has just gotten too big.
gswifty
Yes sir. Globalization has failed us. The infinite growth paradigm has failed us, as we knew it would. Castro's Cuba, based
in a localized agrarian economy, is looking pretty good about now. Localization is the only way back to sustainability.
napples
Books? Who said books? You mean reading books? Let me throw a couple out there: I read 'The Image: A Guide To Pseudo-Events In America' last year, it was published 50+ years ago by a very recommended
writer and accomplished historian. Boorstin's observations are truer today and even more concerning thanks to our modern, ubiquitous
"connectivity". http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/159979.The_Image
Another by Boorstin, The Discoverers was my fav, like Bryson's 'Short History' on steroids:
I'm currently trying to fathom all of the historical implications of the claims Menzies is making in his book '1434', where
apparently everything I learned about history is a lie. While he's making a lot of claims(hoping some sticks?) I'm not truly convinced.
It is a very good, believable thought experiment. It almost makes perfect sense given the anglo/euro history of deceit & dishonesty,
but I digress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Menzies
Adorno famously pointed out in 1940 that the "Mass culture is psychoanalysis in reverse." It takes 75 years for someone
such as PCR to reiterate. He doesn't blame the masses because he simply points out the fact that Americans are completely
ignorant and blindly believe anything MSM spoon-fed to them.
George Orwell once remarked that the average person today is about as naive as was the average person in the Middle Ages. In
the Middle Ages people believed in the authority of their religion, no matter what. Today, we believe in the authority of what
Adorno called Culture Industry and MSM, no matter what. Today we are indeed in another Dark Age
PoasterToaster
"Americans" are not one person. Individuals are not fungible. Reasoning from the "average American" leads to false conclusions.
reader2010
Jacques Derrida says, "The individualism of technological civilization relies precisely on a misunderstanding of the unique
self. It is the individualism of a role and not of a person. In other words it might be called the individualism of a masque or
persona, a character [personnage] and not a person." There are many Americans but they all play the same role in the Pursuit of
Happiness, aka wage slaves, career slaves, debt slaves, information junkies, and passive consumers.
Moccasin
Paul Craig Roberts believe that the people are capable of creating a better and more just society. Instead the people have
voted against their own best interest and overwhelmingly believe the propaganda.
When do the people or the society take responsibility for its greater good or own the crimes of those they put into power?
Blaming the aristocracy or the oligarchs seems like a scapegoat when the people have never stood up to the corruption in a
cohesive or concerted way. imho, After a few generations of abuse and corruption the people need to take responsibility for their
future. I expect that most will just buy into the charade and live the lie, on that basis as a society we are doomed to live in
a corporatocracy fascist state.
Aldous Huxley called it a scientific dictatorship, Edward Bernays referred to us as a herd.
Moccasin
In the USA being white, monied and having the capacity to afford a good education is privileged. To his credit he speaks to
the greater population, the 'average citizen' and not the plutocratic class.
MSorciere
What we have is the result of conditioning and commoditizing a population. The country is filled with consumers, not citizens.
Teach the acquisition of money and goods as the main goal and individualism as the only acceptable social unit. We end up with
a nation of insatiable sociopaths, ruled by power-hungry psychopaths.
Divisive politics, jackbooted authority from the DC scumpond down to the cop on the beat, the constant preaching of the cult
of the individual as a sustitute for true liberty... all of these have served to destroy a sense of community and decentness between
Americans.
The ONLY thing that could threaten the ruling class is a banding together of the people - in large numbers. 'They' have purposefully
and effectively quashed that.
TrulyStupid
Shifting responsibility to the usual suspects is simply a manifestation of the American moral collapse. Man up and do some
self evaluation.
T-NUTZ
"what I have noticed for many years is that the American people have lost, in addition to their own sense of truth and falsity,
any sense of mercy and justice for other peoples"
Unfortunately, Paul, the American people have lost any sense of mercy and justice for their own people.
Painful as it may be, we need to rationally look at US history/society. The nascent US was formed by stealing land from the
native population and using human capital (read African Slaves) to generate wealth (it took a civil war with circa 500K casualties
to stop this- one could argue the US "civil war" never ended). More recently, the US has been almost continuously at war since
1940, we dropped atomic bombs on Japan. Currently, the US/NATO war theater extends from the Levant, to Caspian Basin, Persian
Gulf, China Sea, Indian Ocean, Horn of Africa (Saudi/US war on Yemen), the Maghreb and E Europe and Russian Border.
"... the transformation of government into a criminal enterprise ..."
Governments were created by the history of warfare, which was always organized crime
developing on larger and larger scales. In the context, the greater problem is that people like Paul Craig Roberts are
reactionary revolutionaries, who provide relatively good analysis, followed by bogus "solutions" based upon impossible ideals.
The "American People" are the victims of the best scientific brainwashing that money could buy. As Cognitive Dissonance
has previously stated on Zero Hedge: "The absolute best controlled opposition is one that doesn't know they
are controlled."
It is practically impossible to exaggerate the degree to which that is so, on such profound levels, because of the ways that
most people want to continue to believe that false fundamental dichotomies and impossible ideals are
valid, and should be applied to their problems, despite that those mistaken ideas cause the opposite to happen in the real world,
because those who promote those kinds of false fundamental dichotomies and their related impossible ideals, ARE "controlled
opposition."
Rather, the place to begin would be by recognizing that all human beings and civilizations must necessarily operate as entropic
pumps of energy flows, which necessarily are systems of organized lies operating robberies. Everyone has some power to rob, and
power to kill to back that up. Governments assembled and channeled those powers. There was never a time when governments were
not organized crime. There could never be any time when governments were not organized crime. The only things that exist are the
dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies. Those dynamic equilibria have become extremely
unbalanced due the degree that the best organized gangs of criminals were able to control their opposition.
Paul Craig Roberts, as well as pretty well all of the rest of the content published on Zero Hedge, are presentations
of various kinds of controlled opposition groups, most of which do not recognize that they are being controlled by the language
that they use, and the philosophy of science that they take for granted. THAT is the greatest failure of the American People,
as well as most of the rest of the people everywhere else. They believe in false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible
ideals, and therefore, their bogus "solutions" always necessarily backfire badly, and cause the opposite to happen in the real
world.
After all, the overwhelming vast majority of the American People operate as the controlled opposition to the best organized
gangs of criminals that most control the government of the USA. Therefore, the FAILURES of the American People are far more profound
and problematic than what is superficially presented by guys like Paul Craig Roberts, and also, of course, his suggested bogus
"solutions" are similarly superficial.
The ONLY things which can actually exist are the dynamic equilibrium between different systems of organized lies operating
robberies. The degree to which the American People, as well as most of the rest of the people in the world, FAIL to understand
that is the degree to which they enable the best organized gangs of criminals to control them, due to the vast majority of people
being members of various controlled opposition groups. Controlled opposition always presents relatively superficial analysis of
the political problems, which are superficially correct. However, they then follow that up with similarly superficial "solutions."
Therefore, magical words are bandied about, that express their dualities, through false fundamental dichotomies, and the related
impossible ideals.
Governments must exist because organized crime must exist. Better governments could be achieved through
better organized crime. However, mostly what get presented in the public places are the utter bullshit of the biggest
bullies, who dominate the society because they were the best organized gangs of criminals, who were also able to dominate their
apparent opposition. Therefore, instead of more realistic, better balancing of the dynamic equilibria between different systems
of organized lies operating robberies, we get runaway developments of the best organized gangs of criminals being able to control
governments, whose only apparent opposition is controlled to stay within the same bullshit frame of reference regarding everything
that was actually happening.
The mainline of the FAILURES of the American People have been the ways that the international bankers were able to recapture
control over the American public "money" supply. After that, everything else was leveraged up, through the funding of the political
processes, schools, and mass media, etc., being more and more dominated by that fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting
system. Of course, that FAILURE has now become more than 99% ... Therefore, no political possible ways appear to exist to pull
out of that flaming spiral nose dive, since we have already gone beyond the event horizon into that social black hole.
Most of the content on Zero Hedge which is based upon recognizing that set of problems still acts as controlled opposition
in that regard too. Therefore, the bogus "solutions" here continue to deliberately ignore that money is necessarily measurement
backed by murder. Instead of accepting that, the controlled opposition groups like to promote various kinds of "monetary reforms."
However, meanwhile, we are actually already headed towards the established debt slavery systems having generated debt insanities,
which are going to provoke death insanities.
In that context, the only realistic resolutions to the real problems would necessarily have to be monetary revolutions,
that may emerge out of the future situations, after the runaway debt insanities have provoked death insanities. Indeed, the only
genuine solutions to the problems are to develop different death control systems, to back up different debt control systems, which
must necessarily be done within the context that governments are the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best
organized gangs of criminals.
The various controlled opposition groups do not want to face those social facts. Rather, they continue to want to believe in
the dualities expressed as false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, which is their greatest overall FAILURE.
In my view, the article above by Roberts contained a lot of nostalgic nonsense. There was never a time when there
were any governments which were not based on the applications of the principles and methods of organized crime, and there
could never be any time in the future when that could be stopped from being the case.
The greatest FAILURE of the American People, as well as most of the rest of the world's people, has been to become so brainwashed
to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, that there is no significant opposition that is not controlled by thinking
inside of the box of that bullshit. The government did NOT transform into a criminal enterprise. The government was necessarily
ALWAYS a criminal enterprise. That criminal enterprise has become more and more severely UNBALANCED due to the FAILURE
of the people to understand that they were actually members of an organized crime gang, called their country. Instead, they were
more and more scientifically brainwashed to believe in bullshit about everything, including their country.
The ONLY connection between human laws and the laws of nature is the ability to back up lies with violence. The development
of the government of the USA has been the developed of integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. Those
systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS have been able to become more extremely unbalanced because there is almost nothing which is publicly
significant surrounding that core of organized crime but various controlled opposition groups.
Of course, it seems politically impossible for my recommendations to actually happen within the foreseeable future, as the
current systems of debt slavery drive through debt insanities to become death insanities, but nevertheless, the only theoretically
valid ideas to raise to respond to the real problems would have to based upon a series of intellectual scientific revolutions.
However, since we have apparently run out of time to go through those sorts of paradigm shifts sufficiently, we are stuck in the
deepening ruts of political problems which guys like Roberts correctly present to be the case
... HOWEVER, ROBERTS, LIKE ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE, CONTINUE TO PRESUME UPON DUALITIES, AND THEREFORE,
HAVE THEIR MECHANISMS REGARDING "SOLUTIONS" ABSURDLY BACKWARDS.
Rather, we should start with the concept of SUBTRACTION, which then leads to robbery. We should start with the recognition
that governments are necessarily, by definition, the biggest forms of organized crime. Governments did NOT transform
into being that. Governments were always that. The political problems we have now are due to the best organized gangs
of criminals, which currently are primarily the biggest gangsters, which can rightly be referred to as the banksters, having dominated
all aspects of the funding of politics, enough to capture control over all sociopolitical institutions, so that the American People
would more and more be subjected to the best scientific brainwashing that money could buy, which was built on top of thousands
of years of previous history of Neolithic Civilizations being based on backing up lies with violence.
The runaway systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS, or the integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, that more
and more dominate the lives of the American People are due to the applications of the methods of organized crime, and could not
be effectively counter-balanced in any other ways. However, the standing social situation is that there is no publicly significant
opposition that is not controlled to stay within the same frame of reference of the biggest bullies, which is now primarily the
frame of reference of the banksters. Indeed, to the degree to which people's lives are controlled by the monetary system, they
are debt slaves. Moreover, the degree to which they do not understand, and do not want to understand, that money is necessarily
measurement backed by murder, then they think like controlled opposition groups, who have their mechanisms absurdly backwards,
when they turn from their superficial analysis of what the political problems, to then promote their superficial solutions of
those problems.
I AGREE that "Americans need to face the facts." However, those facts are that citizens are members
of an organized crime gang, called their country. "Their" country is currently controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.
However, there are no genuine resolutions for those problems other than to develop better organized crime. Since the controlled
opposition groups that are publicly significant do not admit any of the deeper levels of the scientific facts regarding human
beings and civilizations operating as entropic pumps of energy flows, but rather, continue to perceive all of that in the most
absurdly backward ways possible, the current dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies
continue to become more and more extremely UNBALANCED.
In the case of the article above, Roberts does NOT "face the facts" that governments were
always forms of organized crime, and must necessarily be so, because human beings must live as entropic pumps of energy
flows. Rather, Roberts tends to illustrate how the controlled opposition takes for granted certain magical words and phrases,
such as "Liberty" or "Constitution," that have no adequate operational definitions to connect them to the material
world.
We are living inside of an oxymoronic scientific dictatorship, which has applied the progress in science primarily to become
better at backing up lies with violence, while refusing to allow scientific methods to admit and address how and why that has
been what has actually happened. Therefore, almost all of the language that we use to communicate, as well as almost
all of the philosophy of science that we take for granted, was based on the biggest bullies' bullshit, which is now primarily
manifested as the banksters' bullshit, as that bullshit developed in America to become ENFORCED FRAUDS.
ALL of the various churches, corporations, and countries are necessarily various systems of organized lies operating robberies.
Those which are the biggest now were historically the ones that were the best at doing that. The INTENSE PARADOXES are due to
human systems necessarily being organized lies operating robberies, wherein the greatest social successfulness has been achieved
by those who were the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. That flows throughout ALL of the established systems,
which are a core of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups.
The degree to which the American People, as well as the rest of the world's people, have been more and more scientifically
brainwashed to believe in bullshit about governments in particular, and human beings and civilizations in general, is the degree
to which the established systems based upon ENFORCED FRAUDS are headed towards some series of psychotic breakdowns. For all practical
purposes, it is politically impossible to get enough people to stop acting like incompetent political idiots, and instead start
acting more like competent citizens, because they do not understand, and moreover have been conditioned to not want to understand
that governments are necessarily organized crime.
Roberts ironically illustrated the deeper nature of the political problems that he also shares, when he perceives that governments
have somehow transformed into being criminal enterprise, when governments were always necessarily criminal enterprises.
Similarly, with those who recognize that, but then promote the impossible solutions based upon somehow stopping that
from being the case, which is as absurdly backwards as stopping human beings from operating as entropic pumps of energy
flows, which then also presumes that it would be possible to stop human civilizations from being entropic pumps of energy
flows.
Rather, the deeper sorts of intellectual scientific revolutions that we should go through require becoming much more
critical of the language that we use to communicate with, and more critical about the philosophy of science that we presumed was
correct. Actually, we were collectively brainwashed to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit, which is as absurdly backwards
as it could possibly be. However, due to the collective FAILURES of people to understand that, as reflected by the ways that the
core of organized crime is surrounded by nothing which is publicly significant than layers of controlled opposition, there are
no reasonable ways to doubt that the established debt slavery systems will continue to drive even worse debt insanities, which
will provoke much worse death insanities. Therefore, to be more realistic about the foreseeable future, the development of new
death control systems will emerge out of the context of crazy collapses into chaos, wherein the runaway death insanities provide
the possible opportunities for new death controls to emerge out of that situation.
Of course, the about 99% FAILURE of the American People to want to understand anything that I have outlined above
indicates that the foreseeable future for subsequent generations shall not too likely be catalyzed transformations
towards enough people better understanding their political problems, in order to better resolve those problems. Rather, what I
mostly expect is for the psychotic breakdowns of the previous systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS to give opportunities to some possible
groups of controlled opposition to take advantage of that, to perhaps emerge as the new version of professional liars and immaculate
hypocrites, who will be able to operate some new version of organized lies, operating robberies, who may mostly still get away
with being some modified versions of still oxymoronic scientific dictatorship, due to social success still being based upon the
best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, who were able to survive through those transformations, so that the
new systems arise from some of the seeds of the old systems.
At the present time, it is extremely difficult to imagine how the human species could possibly reconcile progress in
physical science by surpassing that with progress in political science. Rather, what mostly exists now is the core of
organized crime, which gets away with spouting the bullshit about itself, such as how the banksters dominate the mass media, and
the lives of everyone else who depend upon the established monetary system (which is dominated by the current ways that governments
ENFORCE FRAUDS by privately controlled banks), while that core of organized crime has no publicly significant opposition that
is not controlled by the ways that they think, which ways stay within the basic bullshit world view, as promoted by the biggest
bullies for thousands of years, and as more and more scientifically promoted to brainwash the vast majority of people to believe
in that kind of bullshit so completely that it mostly does not occur to them that they are doing that, and certainly almost never
occurs to them that they are doing that in the most profoundly absurd and backward ways possible.
That is how and why it is possible for an author like Roberts to correctly point out the ways in which the government of the
USA is transforming into being more blatantly based on organized crime ... HOWEVER, Roberts is not willing and able to go through
deeper levels of intellectual scientific revolutions, in order to recognize how and why governments were always necessarily manifestations
of organized crime. Therefore, as is typically the case, Roberts does not recognize how ironically he recommends that Americans
should "face the facts," while he himself does not fully do so.
The whole history of Neolithic Civilizations was social pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence,
becoming more sophisticated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which currently manifest as the globalized
electronic frauds of the banksters, were are backed up by the governments (that those banksters effectively control) having atomic
bombs. Those are the astronomically amplified magnitudes of the currently existing combined money/murder systems. Therefore, it
appears to be politically impossible at the present time to develop better governments, due to the degree that almost everyone
is either a member of the core groups of organized crime, or members of the surrounding layers of groups of controlled opposition,
both of which want to stay within the same overall bullshit frame of reference, because, so far, their lives have been socially
successful by being professional liars and immaculate hypocrites.
Ironically, I doubt that someone like Roberts, or pretty well everyone else whose material is published on Zero Hedge
is able and willing to recognize the degree to which they are actually controlled opposition. Indeed, even more ironically, as
I have repeated before, even Cognitive Dissonance, when he previously stated on Zero Hedge:"The
absolute best controlled opposition is one that doesn't know they are controlled." DOES NOT "GET IT" regarding the
degree to which he too is controlled opposition, even while superficially attempting to recognize and struggle with that situation.
(Indeed, of course, that includes me too, since I am still communicating using the English language, which was the natural language
that most developed to express the biggest bullies' bullshit world view.)
Overall, I REPEAT, the deeper problems are due to progress in physical science, NOT being surpassed by progress in
political science. Instead, while there EXIST globalized electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, practically nothing
regarding the ways of thinking that made that science and those technologies possible has found any significant expression through
political science, because political science would have to go through even more profound paradigm shifts within itself in order
to do that.
The INTENSE PARADOXES continue to be the manifestation of the oxymoronic scientific dictatorship, that deliberately refuses
to become any more genuinely scientific about itself. Therefore, the banksters have been able to pay for the best scientific brainwashing
that money could buy, for generation after generation, in order to more and more brainwash most of the American People to believe
in the banksters' bullshit world view. While there exist electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, practically nothing regarding
the physical science paradigm shifts that made that possible have even the slightest degree of public appreciation within the
realms of politics today, which are almost totally dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, despite that being as
absurdly backwards as possible, while the controlled opposition groups, mostly in the form of old-fashioned religions and ideologies,
continue to stay within that same bullshit world view, and adamantly refuse to change their perceptual paradigms regarding political
problems.
However, I REPEAT, the issues we face are NOT that governments have transformed to become criminal enterprises,
but that governments were always necessarily criminal enterprises, which had the power to legalized their own lies, and
then back those lies up with legalized violence. Thereby, the best organized criminals, the international bankers, as
the biggest gangsters, or the banksters, were able to apply the methods of organized crime through the political processes. Meanwhile,
the only "opposition" that was allowed to be publicly significant was controlled, to basically stay within the same bullshit world
view, which is what Roberts has done in his series of articles, as well as what is almost always presented in the content published
on Zero Hedge.
The NEXT LEVEL of "the need to face the facts" is to recognize that the political economy is based
upon ENFORCED FRAUDS, or systems of debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits. However, the NEXT LEVEL "the need
to face the facts" is the that the only possible changes are to change the dynamic equilibria between the different
systems of organized lies operating robberies, i.e., change those ENFORCED FRAUDS, in ways which CAN NOT STOP
THOSE FROM STILL BEING ENFORCED FRAUDS, because of the degree to which money is necessarily measurement backed by murder.
For the American People, as well as the rest of the world's people, to stop being such dismal FAILURES would require them to
become more competent citizens. However, at the present time they appear to be totally unable to do that, because they are unwilling
to go through the profound paradigm shifts that it would take them to become more competent citizens inside of world where there
exist globalized electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs. The vast majority of the American People would not like
to go through the severe cognitive dissonance that would be required, to not only recognize that "their" government was a criminal
enterprise, but that it also must be, and that they too must necessarily be members of that organized crime gang. However, without
that degree of perceptual paradigm shifts of the political problems, then enough of the American People could not become more
competent citizens.
Somehow, most people continue to count on themselves never having to think about how and why progress was achieved in physical
science, by going through series of profound paradigm shifts in the ways that we perceived the world. Most people continue to
presume that it is not necessary for their perception of politics to go through profound paradigm shifts, that surpass those which
have already been achieved in physical science. We continue to live in an oxymoronic scientific dictatorship, that employs science
and technology to become better at being dishonest and violent, but does not apply science and technology to "face
the facts" about that scientific dictatorship as a whole.
At the present time, technologies which have become trillions of times more capable and powerful are primarily used as special effects within the context of repeating the same old-fashioned, stupid social stories, such as promoted by the biggest
bullies, and their surrounding controlled opposition groups. Ironically, especially when it comes to politics, that tends to manifest
the most atavistic throwbacks to old-fashioned religions and ideologies being relied upon to propose bogus "solutions," despite
that those kinds of social stories adamantly refuse to change their paradigms in light of the profound paradigms shifts which
have been achieved in physical science.
The article above was another illustration of the ways that the typical reactionary revolutionaries, Black Sheeple, or controlled
opposition groups, respond to recognizing the more and more blatant degrees to which there has been an accelerating "transformation of government into a criminal enterprise." THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY CONTINUE TO STAY WITHIN
THE SAME OLD-FASHIONED BULLSHIT-BASED FRAME OF REFERENCE, INSTEAD, AROUND AND AROUND WE GO, STUCK IN
THE SAME DEEPENING RUTS, since they do NOT more fully "face the facts" regarding how and why the only
realistic solutions to the real problems would require developing better organized crime. INSTEAD, they
continue to promote the same dualities based upon false fundamental dichotomies, and the associate bogus "solutions" based upon
impossible ideals ...
Given that overall situation, that there there almost nothing which is publicly significant than the core of organized crime,
surrounded by controlled opposition groups, I see no reasonable hopes for the foreseeable material future of a civilization controlled
by ENFORCED FRAUDS, since there is no publicly possible ways to develop better dynamic equilibria between the different systems
of organized lies operating robberies, since the biggest forms of doing that were most able to get away with pretending that they
are not doing that, which was facilitated by their controlled opposition promoting the opinions that nobody should do that, while
actually everyone must be doing that.
Roberts' article above, to me, was another typical example of superficially correct analysis, which implies some bogus "solutions"
because those are based upon the same superficiality. It is NOT good enough to recognize "transformation of government
into a criminal enterprise," unless one goes through deeper levels of analysis regarding how and why that is what
actually exists, and then, one should continue to be consistent with that deeper analysis when one turns to proposing genuine
solutions to those problems, namely, I REPEAT THAT the only realistic resolutions to the real political
problems requires the transformation of government into a better organized criminal enterprise, which
ideally should be based upon enough citizens who are competent enough to understand that they are members of an organized crime
gang, which should assert themselves to make sure that their country becomes better organized crime.
Essentially CIA dictates the US foreign policy. The tail is wagging the dog. The current Russophobia hysteria mean
additional billions for CIA and FBI. As simple as that.
The article contain some important observation about self-sustaining nature of the US
militarism. It is able to create new threats and new insurgencies almost at will via CIA activities.
The key problem is that wars are highly profitable for important part of the ruling elite,
especially representing finance and military industrial complex. Also now part of the US
ruling elite now consists of "colonial administrators" which are directly interested in maintaining
and expanding the US empire. This is trap from which nation might not be able to escape.
Notable quotes:
"... The U.S. government may pretend to respect a "rules-based" global order, but the only rule Washington seems to follow is "might makes right" -- and the CIA has long served as a chief instigator and enforcer, writes Nicolas J.S. Davies. ..."
"... Once the CIA went to work in Vietnam to undermine the 1954 Geneva Accords and the planned reunification of North and South through a free and fair election in 1956, the die was cast. ..."
"... No U.S. president could extricate the U.S. from Vietnam without exposing the limits of what U.S. military force could achieve, betraying widely held national myths and the powerful interests that sustained and profited from them. ..."
"... The critical "lesson of Vietnam" was summed up by Richard Barnet in his 1972 book Roots of War . "At the very moment that the number one nation has perfected the science of killing," Barnet wrote, "It has become an impractical means of political domination." ..."
"... Even the senior officer corps of the U.S. military saw it that way, since many of them had survived the horrors of Vietnam as junior officers. The CIA could still wreak havoc in Latin America and elsewhere, but the full destructive force of the U.S. military was not unleashed again until the invasion of Panama in 1989 and the First Gulf War in 1991. ..."
"... Half a century after Vietnam, we have tragically come full circle. With the CIA's politicized intelligence running wild in Washington and its covert operations spreading violence and chaos across every continent, President Trump faces the same pressures to maintain his own and his country's credibility as Johnson and Nixon did. ..."
"... Trump is facing these questions, not just in one country, Vietnam, but in dozens of countries across the world, and the interests perpetuating and fueling this cycle of crisis and war have only become more entrenched over time, as President Eisenhower warned that they would, despite the end of the Cold War and, until now, the lack of any actual military threat to the United States. ..."
"... U.S. Air Force Colonel Fletcher Prouty was the chief of special operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1955 to 1964, managing the global military support system for the CIA in Vietnam and around the world. Fletcher Prouty's book, The Secret Team: The CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World , was suppressed when it was first published in 1973. Thousands of copies disappeared from bookstores and libraries, and a mysterious Army Colonel bought the entire shipment of 3,500 copies the publisher sent to Australia. But Prouty's book was republished in 2011, and it is a timely account of the role of the CIA in U.S. policy. ..."
"... The main purpose of the CIA, as Prouty saw it, is to create such pretexts for war. ..."
"... The CIA is a hybrid of an intelligence service that gathers and analyzes foreign intelligence and a clandestine service that conducts covert operations. Both functions are essential to creating pretexts for war, and that is what they have done for 70 years. ..."
"... Prouty described how the CIA infiltrated the U.S. military, the State Department, the National Security Council and other government institutions, covertly placing its officers in critical positions to ensure that its plans are approved and that it has access to whatever forces, weapons, equipment, ammunition and other resources it needs to carry them out. ..."
"... Many retired intelligence officers, such as Ray McGovern and the members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), saw the merging of clandestine operations with intelligence analysis in one agency as corrupting the objective analysis they tried to provide to policymakers. They formed VIPS in 2003 in response to the fabrication of politicized intelligence that provided false pretexts for the U.S. to invade and destroy Iraq. ..."
"... But Fletcher Prouty was even more disturbed by the way that the CIA uses clandestine operations to trigger coups, wars and chaos. The civil and proxy war in Syria is a perfect example of what Prouty meant ..."
"... The role of U.S. "counterterrorism" operations in fueling armed resistance and terrorism, and the absence of any plan to reduce the asymmetric violence unleashed by the "global war on terror," would be no surprise to Fletcher Prouty. As he explained, such clandestine operations always take on a life of their own that is unrelated, and often counter-productive, to any rational U.S. policy objective. ..."
"... This is a textbook CIA operation on the same model as Vietnam in the late 1950s and early 60s. The CIA uses U.S. special forces and training missions to launch covert and proxy military operations that drive local populations into armed resistance groups, and then uses the presence of those armed resistance groups to justify ever-escalating U.S. military involvement. This is Vietnam redux on a continental scale. ..."
"... China is already too big and powerful for the U.S. to apply what is known as the Ledeen doctrine named for neoconservative theorist and intelligence operative Michael Ledeen who suggested that every 10 years or so, the United States "pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business." ..."
"... As long as the CIA and the U.S. military keep plunging the scapegoats for our failed policies into economic crisis, violence and chaos, the United States and the United Kingdom can remain the safe havens of the world's wealth, islands of privilege and excess amidst the storms they unleash on others. ..."
"... But if that is the only "significant national objective" driving these policies, it is surely about time for the 99 percent of Americans who reap no benefit from these murderous schemes to stop the CIA and its allies before they completely wreck the already damaged and fragile world in which we all must live, Americans and foreigners alike. ..."
"... Douglas Valentine has probably studied the CIA in more depth than any other American journalist, beginning with his book on The Phoenix Program in Vietnam. He has written a new book titled The CIA as Organized Crime : How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World, in which he brings Fletcher Prouty's analysis right up to the present day, describing the CIA's role in our current wars and the many ways it infiltrates, manipulates and controls U.S. policy. ..."
"... In Venezuela, the CIA and the right-wing opposition are following the same strategy that President Nixon ordered the CIA to inflict on Chile, to "make the economy scream" in preparation for the 1973 coup. ..."
"... The U.S. willingness to scrap the Agreed Framework in 2003, the breakdown of the Six Party Talks in 2009 and the U.S. refusal to acknowledge that its own military actions and threats create legitimate defense concerns for North Korea have driven the North Koreans into a corner from which they see a credible nuclear deterrent as their only chance to avoid mass destruction. ..."
"... Obama's charm offensive invigorated old and new military alliances with the U.K., France and the Arab monarchies, and he quietly ran up the most expensive military budge t of any president since World War Two. ..."
"... Throughout history, serial aggression has nearly always provoked increasingly united opposition, as peace-loving countries and people have reluctantly summoned the courage to stand up to an aggressor. France under Napoleon and Hitler's Germany also regarded themselves as exceptional, and in their own ways they were. But in the end, their belief in their exceptionalism led them on to defeat and destruction. ..."
The U.S. government may pretend to respect a "rules-based" global order, but the only rule Washington
seems to follow is "might makes right" -- and the CIA has long served as a chief instigator and enforcer,
writes Nicolas J.S. Davies.
As the recent PBS documentary on the American War in Vietnam acknowledged, few American officials
ever believed that the United States could win the war, neither those advising Johnson as he committed
hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops, nor those advising Nixon as he escalated a brutal aerial bombardment
that had already killed millions of people.
As conversations tape-recorded in the White House reveal, and as other writers have documented,
the reasons for wading into the Big Muddy, as
Pete Seeger satirized it
, and then pushing on regardless, all came down to "credibility": the domestic political credibility
of the politicians involved and America's international credibility as a military power.
Once the CIA went to work in Vietnam to undermine the
1954 Geneva Accords
and the planned reunification of North and South through a free and fair election in 1956, the die
was cast. The CIA's support for the repressive
Diem regime and its successors
ensured an ever-escalating war, as the South rose in rebellion, supported by the North. No U.S. president
could extricate the U.S. from Vietnam without exposing the limits of what U.S. military force could
achieve, betraying widely held national myths and the powerful interests that sustained and profited
from them.
The critical "lesson of Vietnam" was summed up by Richard Barnet in his 1972 book
Roots
of War . "At the very moment that the number one nation has perfected the science of killing,"
Barnet wrote, "It has become an impractical means of political domination."
Even the senior officer corps of the U.S. military saw it that way, since many of them had survived
the horrors of Vietnam as junior officers. The CIA could still wreak havoc in Latin America and elsewhere,
but the full destructive force of the U.S. military was not unleashed again until the invasion of
Panama in 1989 and the First Gulf War in 1991.
Half a century after Vietnam, we have tragically come full circle. With the CIA's politicized
intelligence running wild in Washington and its covert operations spreading violence and chaos across
every continent, President Trump faces the same pressures to maintain his own and his country's credibility
as Johnson and Nixon did. His predictable response has been to escalate ongoing wars in Syria, Iraq,
Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and West Africa, and to threaten new ones against North Korea, Iran and
Venezuela.
Trump is facing these questions, not just in one country, Vietnam, but in dozens of countries
across the world, and the interests perpetuating and fueling this cycle of crisis and war have only
become more entrenched over time, as
President Eisenhower warned that they would, despite the end of the Cold War and, until now,
the lack of any actual military threat to the United States.
Ironically but predictably, the U.S.'s aggressive and illegal war policy has finally provoked
a real military threat to the U.S., albeit one that has emerged only in response to U.S. war plans.
As I explained in a recent article , North Korea's discovery in 2016 of a U.S. plan to assassinate
its president, Kim Jong Un, and launch a Second Korean War has triggered a crash program to develop
long-range ballistic missiles that could give North Korea a viable nuclear deterrent and prevent
a U.S. attack. But the North Koreans will not feel safe from attack until their leaders and ours
are sure that their missiles can deliver a nuclear strike against the U.S. mainland.
The CIA's Pretexts for War
U.S. Air Force Colonel Fletcher Prouty was the chief of special operations for the Joint Chiefs
of Staff from 1955 to 1964, managing the global military support system for the CIA in Vietnam and
around the world. Fletcher Prouty's book,
The Secret Team: The CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World ,
was suppressed when it was first published in 1973. Thousands of copies disappeared from bookstores
and libraries, and a mysterious Army Colonel bought the entire shipment of 3,500 copies the publisher
sent to Australia. But Prouty's book was republished in 2011, and it is a timely account of the role
of the CIA in U.S. policy.
Prouty surprisingly described the role of the CIA as a response by powerful people and interests
to the abolition of the U.S. Department of War and the creation of the Department of Defense in 1947.
Once the role of the U.S. military was redefined as one of defense, in line with the United Nations
Charter's
prohibition against the threat or use of military force in 1945 and similar moves by other military
powers, it would require some kind of crisis or threat to justify using military force in the future,
both legally and politically. The main purpose of the CIA, as Prouty saw it, is to create such
pretexts for war.
The CIA is a hybrid of an intelligence service that gathers and analyzes foreign intelligence
and a clandestine service that conducts covert operations. Both functions are essential to creating
pretexts for war, and that is what they have done for 70 years.
Prouty described how the CIA infiltrated the U.S. military, the State Department, the National
Security Council and other government institutions, covertly placing its officers in critical positions
to ensure that its plans are approved and that it has access to whatever forces, weapons, equipment,
ammunition and other resources it needs to carry them out.
Many retired intelligence officers, such as Ray McGovern and the members of Veteran Intelligence
Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), saw the merging of clandestine operations with intelligence analysis
in one agency as corrupting the objective analysis they tried to provide to policymakers. They formed
VIPS in 2003 in response to the fabrication of politicized intelligence that provided false pretexts
for the U.S. to invade and destroy Iraq.
CIA in Syria and Africa
But Fletcher Prouty was even more disturbed by the way that the CIA uses clandestine operations
to trigger coups, wars and chaos. The civil and proxy war in Syria is a perfect example of what Prouty
meant. In late 2011, after destroying Libya and aiding in the torture-murder of Muammar Gaddafi,
the CIA and its allies began
flying fighters
and weapons from Libya to Turkey and infiltrating them into Syria. Then, working with Saudi Arabia,
Qatar, Turkey, Croatia and other allies, this operation poured
thousands of tons of weapons across Syria's borders to ignite and fuel a full-scale civil war.
Once these covert operations were under way, they ran wild until they had unleashed a savage Al
Qaeda affiliate in Syria (Jabhat al-Nusra, now rebranded as Jabhat Fateh al-Sham), spawned the even
more savage "Islamic State," triggered
the heaviest
and
probably the deadliest U.S. bombing campaign since Vietnam and drawn Russia, Iran, Turkey, Israel,
Jordan, Hezbollah, Kurdish militias and almost every state or armed group in the Middle East into
the chaos of Syria's civil war.
Meanwhile, as Al Qaeda and Islamic State have expanded their operations across Africa, the U.N.
has published a report titled
Journey to Extremismin Africa: Drivers, Incentives and the Tipping Point for Recruitment
, based on 500 interviews with African militants. This study has found that the kind of special operations
and training missions the CIA and AFRICOM are conducting and supporting in Africa are in fact the
critical "tipping point" that drives Africans to join militant groups like Al Qaeda, Al-Shabab and
Boko Haram.
The report found that government action, such as the killing or detention of friends or family,
was the "tipping point" that drove 71 percent of African militants interviewed to join armed groups,
and that this was a more important factor than religious ideology.
The conclusions of Journey to Extremism in Africa confirm the findings of other similar
studies. The Center for Civilians in Conflict interviewed 250 civilians who joined armed groups in
Bosnia, Somalia, Gaza and Libya for its 2015 study,
The People's Perspectives: Civilian Involvement in Armed Conflict . The study
found that the most common motivation for civilians to join armed groups was simply to protect themselves
or their families.
The role of U.S. "counterterrorism" operations in fueling armed resistance and terrorism, and
the absence of any plan to reduce the asymmetric violence unleashed by the "global war on terror,"
would be no surprise to Fletcher Prouty. As he explained, such clandestine operations always take
on a life of their own that is unrelated, and often counter-productive, to any rational U.S. policy
objective.
"The more intimate one becomes with this activity," Prouty wrote, "The more one begins to realize
that such operations are rarely, if ever, initiated from an intent to become involved in pursuit
of some national objective in the first place."
The U.S. justifies the deployment of 6,000 U.S. special forces and military trainers to
53 of the 54 countries in Africa as a response to terrorism. But the U.N.'s Journey to Extremism
in Africa study makes it clear that the U.S. militarization of Africa is in fact the "tipping
point" that is driving Africans across the continent to join armed resistance groups in the first
place.
This is a textbook CIA operation on the same model as Vietnam in the late 1950s and early
60s. The CIA uses U.S. special forces and training missions to launch covert and proxy military operations
that drive local populations into armed resistance groups, and then uses the presence of those armed
resistance groups to justify ever-escalating U.S. military involvement. This is Vietnam redux on
a continental scale.
Taking on China
What seems to really be driving the CIA's militarization of U.S. policy in Africa is China's growing
influence on the continent. As Steve Bannon put it in an
interview with the Economist in August, "Let's go screw up One Belt One Road."
China is already too big and powerful for the U.S. to apply what is known as the Ledeen doctrine
named for neoconservative theorist and intelligence operative Michael Ledeen who suggested that every
10 years or so, the United States "pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against
the wall, just to show we mean business."
China is too powerful and armed with nuclear weapons. So, in this case, the CIA's job would be
to spread violence and chaos to disrupt Chinese trade and investment, and to make African governments
increasingly dependent on U.S. military aid to fight the militant groups spawned and endlessly regenerated
by U.S.-led "counterterrorism" operations.
Neither Ledeen nor Bannon pretend that such policies are designed to build more prosperous or
viable societies in the Middle East or Africa, let alone to benefit their people. They both know
very well what Richard Barnet already understood 45 years ago, that America's unprecedented investment
in weapons, war and CIA covert operations are only good for one thing: to kill people and destroy
infrastructure, reducing cities to rubble, societies to chaos and the desperate survivors to poverty
and displacement.
As long as the CIA and the U.S. military keep plunging the scapegoats for our failed policies
into economic crisis, violence and chaos, the United States and the United Kingdom can remain the
safe havens of the world's wealth, islands of privilege and excess amidst the storms they unleash
on others.
But if that is the only "significant national objective" driving these policies, it is surely
about time for the 99 percent of Americans who reap no benefit from these murderous schemes to stop
the CIA and its allies before they completely wreck the already damaged and fragile world in which
we all must live, Americans and foreigners alike.
Douglas Valentine has probably studied the CIA in more depth than any other American journalist,
beginning with his book on
The Phoenix Program in Vietnam. He has written a new book titled
The CIA as Organized Crime: How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World, in which he brings Fletcher Prouty's
analysis right up to the present day, describing the CIA's role in our current wars and the many
ways it infiltrates, manipulates and controls U.S. policy.
The Three Scapegoats
In
Trump's speech to the U.N. General Assembly, he named North Korea, Iran and Venezuela as his
prime targets for destabilization, economic warfare and, ultimately, the overthrow of their governments,
whether by coup d'etat or the mass destruction of their civilian population and infrastructure.
But Trump's choice of scapegoats for America's failures was obviously not based on a rational reassessment
of foreign policy priorities by the new administration. It was only a tired rehashing of the CIA's
unfinished business with two-thirds of Bush's "axis of evil" and Bush White House official
Elliott Abrams'
failed 2002 coup in Caracas, now laced with explicit and illegal threats of aggression.
How Trump and the CIA plan to sacrifice their three scapegoats for America's failures remains
to be seen. This is not 2001, when the world stood silent at the U.S. bombardment and invasion of
Afghanistan after September 11th. It is more like 2003, when the U.S. destruction of Iraq split the
Atlantic alliance and alienated most of the world. It is certainly not 2011, after Obama's global
charm offensive had rebuilt U.S. alliances and provided cover for French President Sarkozy, British
Prime Minister Cameron, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Arab royals to destroy Libya,
once ranked by the U.N. as the
most developed country
in Africa , now mired in intractable chaos.
In 2017, a U.S. attack on any one of Trump's scapegoats would isolate the United States from many
of its allies and undermine its standing in the world in far-reaching ways that might be more permanent
and harder to repair than the invasion and destruction of Iraq.
In Venezuela, the CIA and the right-wing opposition are following the same strategy that President
Nixon ordered the CIA to inflict on Chile, to
"make the economy
scream" in preparation for the 1973 coup. But the
solid victory of Venezuela's
ruling Socialist Party in recent nationwide gubernatorial elections, despite a long and deep
economic crisis, reveals little public support for the CIA's puppets in Venezuela.
The CIA has successfully discredited the Venezuelan government through economic warfare, increasingly
violent right-wing street protests and a global propaganda campaign. But the CIA has stupidly hitched
its wagon to an extreme right-wing, upper-class opposition that has no credibility with most of the
Venezuelan public, who still turn out for the Socialists at the polls. A CIA coup or U.S. military
intervention would meet fierce public resistance and damage U.S. relations all over Latin America.
Boxing In North Korea
A U.S. aerial bombardment or "preemptive strike" on North Korea could quickly escalate into a
war between the U.S. and China, which has reiterated
its commitment to North
Korea's defense if North Korea is attacked. We do not know exactly what was in the
U.S. war plan discovered by North Korea, so neither can we know how North Korea and China could
respond if the U.S. pressed ahead with it.
Most analysts have long concluded that any U.S. attack on North Korea would be met with a North
Korean artillery and missile barrage that would inflict unacceptable civilian casualties on Seoul,
a metropolitan area of 26 million people, three times the population of New York City. Seoul is only
35 miles from the frontier with North Korea, placing it within range of a huge array of North Korean
weapons. What was already a no-win calculus is now compounded by the possibility that North Korea
could respond with nuclear weapons, turning any prospect of a U.S. attack into an even worse nightmare.
U.S. mismanagement of its relations with North Korea should be an object lesson for its relations
with Iran, graphically demonstrating the advantages of diplomacy, talks and agreements over threats
of war. Under the
Agreed Framework
signed in 1994, North Korea stopped work on two much larger nuclear reactors than the small experimental
one operating at Yongbyong since 1986, which only produces 6 kg of plutonium per year, enough for
one nuclear bomb.
The lesson of Bush's Iraq invasion in 2003 after Saddam Hussein had complied with demands that
he destroy Iraq's stockpiles of chemical weapons and shut down a nascent nuclear program was not
lost on North Korea. Not only did the invasion lay waste to large sections of Iraq with hundreds
of thousands of dead but Hussein himself was hunted down and condemned to death by hanging.
Still, after North Korea tested its first nuclear weapon in 2006, even its small experimental
reactor was shut down as a result of the
"Six Party Talks" in
2007, all the fuel rods were removed and placed under supervision of the International Atomic Energy
Agency, and the cooling tower of the reactor was demolished in 2008.
But then, as relations deteriorated, North Korea conducted a second nuclear weapon test and again
began reprocessing spent fuel rods to recover plutonium for use in nuclear weapons.
North Korea has now conducted six nuclear weapons tests. The explosions in
the first five tests increased gradually up to 15-25 kilotons, about the yield of the bombs the
U.S. dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but estimates for the yield of the 2017 test range
from 110
to 250 kilotons , comparable
to a small hydrogen bomb.
The even greater danger in a new war in Korea is that the U.S. could unleash part of its arsenal
of
4,000 more powerful weapons (100 to 1,200 kilotons), which could kill millions of people and
devastate and poison the region, or even the world, for years to come.
The U.S. willingness to scrap the Agreed Framework in 2003, the breakdown of the Six Party Talks
in 2009 and the U.S. refusal to acknowledge that its own military actions and threats create legitimate
defense concerns for North Korea have driven the North Koreans into a corner from which they see
a credible nuclear deterrent as their only chance to avoid mass destruction.
China has proposed a
reasonable framework for diplomacy to address the concerns of both sides, but the U.S. insists
on maintaining its propaganda narratives that all the fault lies with North Korea and that it has
some kind of "military solution" to the crisis.
This may be the most dangerous idea we have heard from U.S. policymakers since the end of the
Cold War, but it is the logical culmination of a
systematic normalization of deviant and illegal U.S. war-making that has already cost millions
of lives in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen and Pakistan. As historian Gabriel Kolko
wrote in Century of War in 1994, "options and decisions that are intrinsically dangerous
and irrational become not merely plausible but the only form of reasoning about war and diplomacy
that is possible in official circles."
Demonizing Iran
The idea that Iran has ever had a nuclear weapons program is seriously contested by the IAEA,
which has examined every allegation presented by the CIA and other Western "intelligence" agencies
as well as Israel. Former IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei revealed many details of this wild
goose chase in his 2011 memoir,
Age of Deception: Nuclear Diplomacy in Treacherous Times .
When the CIA and its partners reluctantly acknowledged the IAEA's conclusions in a 2007 National
Intelligence Estimate (NIE), ElBaradei issued
a press release confirming that, "the agency has no concrete evidence of an ongoing nuclear weapons
program or undeclared nuclear facilities in Iran."
Since 2007, the IAEA has resolved all its outstanding concerns with Iran. It has verified that
dual-use technologies that Iran imported before 2003 were in fact used for other purposes, and it
has exposed the mysterious "laptop documents" that appeared to show Iranian plans for a nuclear weapon
as forgeries. Gareth Porter thoroughly explored all these questions and allegations and the history
of mistrust that fueled them in his 2014 book,
Manufactured
Crisis: the Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare , which I highly recommend.
But, in the parallel Bizarro world of U.S. politics, hopelessly poisoned by the CIA's
endless disinformation campaigns, Hillary Clinton could repeatedly take false credit for disarming
Iran during her presidential campaign, and neither Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump nor any corporate
media interviewer dared to challenge her claims.
"When President Obama took office, Iran was racing toward a nuclear bomb," Clinton fantasized
in a
prominent foreign policy speech on June 2, 2016, claiming that her brutal sanctions policy "brought
Iran to the table."
In fact, as Trita Parsi documented in his 2012 book,
A Single
Roll of the Dice: Obama's Diplomacy With Iran , the Iranians were ready, not just
to "come to the table," but to sign a comprehensive agreement based on a U.S. proposal brokered by
Turkey and Brazil in 2010. But, in a classic case of "tail wags dog," the U.S. then rejected its
own proposal because it would have undercut support for tighter sanctions in the U.N. Security Council.
In other words, Clinton's sanctions policy did not "bring Iran to the table", but prevented the U.S.
from coming to the table itself.
As a senior State Department official told Trita Parsi, the real problem with U.S. diplomacy with
Iran when Clinton was at the State Department was that the U.S. would not take "Yes" for an answer.
Trump's ham-fisted decertification of Iran's compliance with the JCPOA is right out of Clinton's
playbook, and it demonstrates that the CIA is still determined to use Iran as a scapegoat for America's
failures in the Middle East.
The spurious claim that Iran is the world's greatest sponsor of terrorism is another CIA canard
reinforced by endless repetition. It is true that Iran supports and supplies weapons to Hezbollah
and Hamas, which are both listed as terrorist organizations by the U.S. government. But they are
mainly defensive resistance groups that defend Lebanon and Gaza respectively against invasions and
attacks by Israel.
Shifting attention away from Al Qaeda, Islamic State, the
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group and other groups that actually commit terrorist crimes around the
world might just seem like a case of the CIA "taking its eyes off the ball," if it wasn't so transparently
timed to frame Iran with new accusations now that the manufactured crisis of the nuclear scare has
run its course.
What the Future Holds
Barack Obama's most consequential international achievement may have been the triumph of symbolism
over substance behind which he expanded and escalated the so-called "war on terror," with a vast
expansion of covert operations and proxy wars that eventually triggered the
heaviest U.S.
aerial bombardments since Vietnam in Iraq and Syria.
Obama's charm offensive invigorated old and new military alliances with the U.K., France and
the Arab monarchies, and he quietly ran up the
most expensive military budget of any president since World War Two.
But Obama's expansion of the "war on terror" under cover of his deceptive global public relations
campaign created many more problems than it solved, and Trump and his advisers are woefully ill-equipped
to solve any of them. Trump's expressed desire to place America first and to resist foreign entanglements
is hopelessly at odds with his aggressive, bullying approach to every foreign policy problem.
If the U.S. could threaten and fight its way to a resolution of any of its international problems,
it would have done so already. That is exactly what it has been trying to do since the 1990s, behind
both the swagger and bluster of Bush and Trump and the deceptive charm of Clinton and Obama: a "good
cop – bad cop" routine that should no longer fool anyone anywhere.
But as Lyndon Johnson found as he waded deeper and deeper into the Big Muddy in Vietnam, lying
to the public about unwinnable wars does not make them any more winnable. It just gets more people
killed and makes it harder and harder to ever tell the public the truth.
In unwinnable wars based on lies, the "credibility" problem only gets more complicated, as new
lies require new scapegoats and convoluted narratives to explain away graveyards filled by old lies.
Obama's cynical global charm offensive bought the "war on terror" another eight years, but that only
allowed the CIA to drag the U.S. into more trouble and spread its chaos to more places around the
world.
Meanwhile, Russian President Putin is winning hearts and minds in capitals around the world by
calling for a recommitment to the
rule of international
law , which
prohibits
the threat or use of military force except in self-defense. Every new U.S. threat or act of aggression
will only make Putin's case more persuasive, not least to important U.S. allies like South Korea,
Germany and other members of the European Union, whose complicity in U.S. aggression has until now
helped to give it a false veneer of political legitimacy.
Throughout history, serial aggression has nearly always provoked increasingly united opposition,
as peace-loving countries and people have reluctantly summoned the courage to stand up to an aggressor.
France under Napoleon and Hitler's Germany also regarded themselves as exceptional, and in their
own ways they were. But in the end, their belief in their exceptionalism led them on to defeat and
destruction.
Americans had better hope that we are not so exceptional, and that the world will find a diplomatic
rather than a military "solution" to its American problem. Our chances of survival would improve
a great deal if American officials and politicians would finally start to act like something other
than putty in the hands of the CIA
Nicolas J. S. Davies is the author of Blood On Our Hands: the American Invasion and Destruction
of Iraq . He also wrote the chapters on "Obama at War" in Grading the 44th President: a Report Card
on Barack Obama's First Term as a Progressive Leader .
The Last but not LeastTechnology is dominated by
two types of people: those who understand what they do not manage and those who manage what they do not understand ~Archibald Putt.
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