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Nov 08, 2020 | www.youtube.com
JOHN: "Human nature does not change" ( 10:00 ) is not a conservative insight. It is a 'religious' insight, which conservatism recognises. But no 'religion' analyses human nature, and recognises it for what it is, better than the teachings of a young Galilean around two thousand years ago. Unfortunately his teachings on our 'human-ness' were important for the first two hundred years after his death and resurrection; but have, since, been absorbed, and subsumed, into the image of the 'Christos', in order that the 'leaders' of the Church might achieve POWER. We see these pathetic 'career-clergy' men and women clinging to their 'clerical power' to this very day: but covid has found their empty gospel wanting.
SD , 1 month agoVery good interview and excellent questions. Dan is very intelligent and has a common sense, down to earth, moral attitude to life and as a congressman. Do not agree with all of his judgements politically but respect his thorough investigation and research into the matter. Really respect his mature attitude and personal comport. Do not agree with his disdain for the Pres even when agreeing with the Pres actions. There is a personal problem due to an encounter or some other personal conflict on a deeper level. Credit due to separating it from the office he holds.
Christian Prepper , 3 weeks agoKatana Sharp , 1 month ago (edited)"SYSTEMIC RACISM" EXISTS! 11:58 It's called "Affirmative Action" -- allowing the skin color of an applicant to weigh in on whether or not to accept the applicant.
Nigel Ripon , 1 month ago (edited)As far as BLM and CHAD and racism is concerned look at South Africa today and what's happened in South Africa since Mandela and the AMC took power in South Africa after Apartheid!
Ron Les , 1 month ago (edited)It took to nearly the end of the interview to state what is truly missing from public discourse, and that is the understanding that a person's moral compass, a party's moral compass, a nation's moral compass, depends upon something higher than themselves, for some it is God, for others it is themselves, in the form of the State. Therein lies the conflict - between absolute truth and relative truth, between eternal morals and situation ethics, between thankfulness and entitlement, between forgiveness and condemnation, between love of country and betrayal. And right now that conflict in the USA is reflected on the political battlefield between Republicans and Democrats.
amber , 1 month agoThe one thing you never hear from the left today, is the idea of personal responsibility for your own actions and behaviors, which is the cornerstone of freedom. I recently saw a video of a drug store, where two men came into the store and shoplifted from the store, the store manager called the Police. The Police had the shoplifters give back what they'd stolen and were not arrested for their actions. Afterwords a woman got out her phone to record and began to badger the store manager for his actions. She said to him that he was endangering the lives of black men because they could have died at the hands of the Police that day. Never once did she acknowledge that they shouldn't have shop lifted and it was their actions that should be in question, not the store manager. She got downright nasty with the manager and later people protested in front of the drug store for the injustice of calling the Police on shoplifters. Think about that for a second, we've swung completely upside down as a society with this type of thinking. Recently a Policeman shot and killed a crazed man as he came charging out a front door wielding a knife over his head running at the officer to kill him with the knife, the officer ran away but eventually had no choice but to turn and shoot this man, and people came out in large numbers and protested the officers actions. I guess he was supposed to sacrifice his life to the black lives matter movement. So in the vocal black community there is absolutely no need for personal responsibility anymore, no matter what someone does it's always everyone else's fault, or our racist societies fault, but never their own due to their own behavior. Now that's some scary shit.
bluskies1000 , 2 days ago (edited)Excellent interview. I've not seen many interviews with Dan, great to have him on my team! Very well spoken and makes good points.
13 minutes "Systemic Racism" Let me start by saying I'm self educated, my observations my own, I follow no one, and I have no followers :) People are misunderstanding the reasons for their economic problems (meaning poverty), and inability to ever improve conditions, and describing it as Systemic Racism. Truth is we all have limited horizons. Parochial, whether by geography or class, or both. Where I live I see a mix of all race/ethnic- mostly caucasian (white) Americans, impoverished , homeless, miserable, who tried and failed so much they have given up. Black people see the same thing but it's mostly black people where they chose to live. Same with Asians, South Americans, Somalians (Ilhan Omar :( and so forth. Whats stuck everyone in the mud is called NAIRU (natural anti inflation rate of unemployment), a rule adopted by all the central banks around the world including the USA and Australia in the last half of the 1970"s. Search & find dozens of varying descriptions of what NAIRU is about. That was when or first homeless appeared (generally "overpaid" union American farm workers at first) It means permanent high unemployment, adjusted by the central banks, leaving workers in surplus, in order to keep wages flat or slightly declining. In the USA add to that mass runaway immigration of low skilled workers accustomed to minimal wage. Think of it as a game of musical chairs. The number of chairs (jobs) is slowly increasing, but the number of people looking for chairs increases faster. Thus our large and seemingly permanent population living in alleys and street sidewalks, never able to find employment, and given in to despair. Trump has turned off NAIRU at our central bank, and greatly slowed the excessive and illegal immigration, and until the Pandemic shutdowns, turning everything around. A tighter labor market had employers rehabilitating older homeless workers and employing them, plus raising wages to attract workers
jerrylev59 , 1 month ago (edited)EF M , 1 month agoSystemic racism is an illusion that some people see due to their unconscious bias. It works both ways! ;)
16:48 Fascism- characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy. Anarchism - is a political philosophy and movement which is skeptical of authority and rejects all involuntary, coercive forms of hierarchy. Communism - a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. It looks like the congressman is putting negative words together without understanding they are opposites of each other. He's become a politician.
TheMoravians , 3 weeks agoBandit Quest , 1 month agoYes! FINALLY someone is contradicting the false claim of "both sides are doing it" with censorship and cancel culture. Now, if only people would talk specifically about how CRT fuels the insanity, we would have a chance to pull our country out of this spiral of destruction. A sane person in Portland needs a little help here!
For 40 years I paid a large chunk of my Paycheck into Social Security. How can Dan call this an Entitlement. I guess the paycheck that I worked for is an Entitlement too. When did the labor that I provide become an entitlement. Entitlements are when something of value is given to those that did nothing to earn it, like welfare checks.
PRINCIPLES WISE , 1 month ago (edited)Interesting analysis! Systemic racism is everywhere,🙄 is in the institutions?, **but it's in you 😳and you don't know it?** So you have to change the institutions and make the UNEQUAL👹? in order to create equality🥴😂🤣😂😆😂😂 Isn't Radical Left = Socialism?
Robert Garay , 1 month agoThe defunding of the police is to set the way for a national police as proposed by President Obama in 2009 governed by DC. In its place temporarily, the strong arm of this movement are Antifa and BLM. I equate these groups to the Brown Shirts of the Nazi party in the 1930s. Once the German police were pacified and converted to the ideals of the party an SS was created along with a Ghestappo which made the Brown Shirts an irrelevant and dangerous group. It was destroyed in The Night of the Long Knives. Now you truly have the recipe for central control and the tendency towards repression of those that will not conform.
D Smith , 1 month ago (edited)Crenshaw spoke disingenuously about "the debt crisis, " blaming it on seniors. Surely he realizes we have a fiat money system -- the bankers and other mega-corporate interests seized TRILLIONS recently in two massive "Covid" heists." Bankers got trillions in October in a REPO rescue, which was barely reported. Add their 2008 bailout, costing $21 trillion. And don't forget defense industry payouts PLUS an even larger stealth siphoning revealed in the delinquent Pentagon audit -- it exposed more TRILLIONS missing! And #Unappropriated by Congress ! Their excuse: oops, "clerical" Why doesn't Rep Crenshaw complain about trillions disappeared by the military? Or going to rich bankers? Yeah. Blame it on Boomers living on Social Security... and who had FICA taxes removed from their paychecks for decades.
T J , 1 month agoSocial security is not an entitlement but money that the working class had taken out of their paychecks for the time they worked for me 35 plus years but maybe your too young to know about that...do your home work
Bryan Neff , 1 month agoThe globalist technological revolution that we are in the midst of has pulled the economic and cultural rug out from under the vast majority of citizens of western capitalist democracies. Many people feel as though they no longer have anything of value to provide others in a society based on the free and voluntary exchange of goods and services, or if they do, that someone in China will provide it for far less. This reality has set the stage for the attractiveness of Marxist ideology. We have made the average person in the West obsolete or superfluous.
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Aug 08, 2020 | www.rt.com
Following an investigative report the paper of record has revealed that business owners who were stuck in the Capitol Hill Organised Protest 'aren't so sure about abolishing the police'. No sh*t Sherlock.
The New York Times has done something distinctly out of character and actually produced some decent journalism. Taking a break from getting editors sacked for allowing Republican senators to write op-eds and forcing out the few remaining sane people on their staff for not quaffing the identity politics Cool-Aid enthusiastically enough, they dispatched a reporter to Seattle to pick through the remnants of the CHOP , a month after it closed.
The Capital Hill Organised Protest, formally CHAZ (Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone), was the area of the city that, for 23 glorious days, declared independence from the United States. A bunch of Black Lives Matter and Antifa radicals hoofed out the police and decided to try and run the area as some sort of Marxist utopia. What they actually established was a gang run hellhole that made the Wild West look like Switzerland.
It wasn't described as such at the time of course. Seattle's mayor said the city was in for a "summer of love" and most of the left-wing press would have had you believe that it was pretty much a hippy commune full of free vegan food and urban collective farms.
The land of soy milk and honey was disbanded on July 1 and was duly eulogised by the usual suspects as basically an extended block party. A month on, the NY Times finally got around to sending a reporter to speak to the people who lived and worked in the area before the protestors moved in and produced an admittedly excellent piece of reportage on the situation. It was headlined, "Abolish the Police? Those Who Survived the Chaos in Seattle Aren't So Sure." The piece, as journalist Michael Tracey observed on Twitter, would have been dismissed as right-wing propaganda just a month ago and shows that this little experiment in anarcho-communism was a million miles away from paradise.
To say they "aren't sure" has to be the understatement of the year. The picture painted by the residents is one of gangs of armed thugs running protection rackets and widespread vandalism. The first person mentioned in the piece, a gay man of Middle Eastern extraction named Faizel Khan, reveals that to get to the coffee shop he runs he had to get permission from "gun wielding white men" who at one point barricaded him and all his customers in the store.
Mr Khan's experiences during these three and a bit weeks of lawlessness were so horrendous that he and a host of other small business owners, described as "lonely voices in progressive areas," are suing Seattle after the local police force refused to respond to their calls for the duration of the CHOP. And as the litany of horrors they were subjected to is laid bare in the NY Times article, it is not hard to see why.
Another character we meet in this saga is Rick Hearns. In his pre-CHOP days, Mr Hearns was a security guard for many years, but after the police vacated the area (their precinct was taken over by protesters and then promptly set on fire) he became part of the "Black Lives Matter Community Patrol". This patrol had locals "pay for their protection." Now what other organisation does that remind you of? If you can't think of it, may I suggest you watch virtually any Martin Scorsese movie and I think you'll get the picture.
It doesn't sound like they were particularly good at ensuring community cohesion either, considering six people were shot under their jurisdiction and two of them died. Interestingly, since they were replacing the "institutionally racist" police force, (run by a black woman incidentally but why let facts spoil it) one of the victims was a black teenager.
Observers also noted that rather than being a multi-racial melting pot of equality, the CHOP turned into a "white occupation" as the numbers of Antifa activists began to outnumber the BLM protesters. They also established "black only segregated areas" within the CHOP, making it frightening similar to the Confederacy, which also, coincidentally, seceded from the union. Oh, and they had a Warlord, Raz from CHAZ, too, just as an icing on the cake.
Quite why these so-called activists felt the need to see how anarchy turns out in a world where Somaila exists is beyond me, and frankly any sane person who is even vaguely aware of history. I'm sure if they'd managed to get hold of the port it wouldn't have been long before they decided to give piracy on the high seas a try, but alas they didn't have the time.
This just makes the tone of the NY Times piece all the more baffling. While it does chart the horrors of the zone well, framing the notion of "abolishing the police" as anything other than irredeemably stupid is frankly ridiculous. I suppose they do deserve praise for finally telling the story, but in no way does it make up for the way they have fomented and given succour to the absurd and dangerous ideas that gave rise to the CHOP for so long.
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Mar 21, 2014 | www.opendemocracy.net
An American in Maidan by Daniel Heintz
Suspecting that neither Ukrainians nor people elsewhere were being given an accurate portrayal of what has been going on in Kyiv, I felt I had no choice but to travel there and offer an honest portrait of Maidan as I saw it.
The physical layout of Maidan is both impressive and inspiring. Piles of sandbags, tires, household furniture and concrete paving blocks form the barricades that guard the entrances to the square. Inside are countless tents and makeshift shelters which people have occupied for nearly four months now. Graffiti, fliers and stickers, written in Ukrainian, Russian and English, cover any vacant space on walls; dozens of Ukrainian flags flap in the wind And there's no way you can miss the flowers.
Piles upon piles of flowers, spread all over Maidan, commemorate those who lost their lives there. Scattered among the flowers you can find photographs of Maidan's lost 'Heavenly Hundred', with a constant flow of family members, friends and fellow countrymen quietly mourning nearby.
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Jul 02, 2020 | www.rt.com
Seattle saw a 525-percent spike in crime reports due to violence and turmoil within the Capitol Hill Organized Protest zone, according to figures released by the city's mayor as she authorized police to clear the site. Mayor Jenny Durkan's executive order to oust the protesters from the self-proclaimed six-block cop-free zone states the "narcotics use and violent crime, including rape, robbery, assault, and increased gang activity" since 'CHOP' first appeared in early June.
In less than a month, the self-declared "autonomous zone" has seen two deadly shootings and a serious hike in reported incidents of crime. Two black teens, aged 16 and 19, were shot dead in separate incidents. For comparison, that's how many were recorded in the entire Capitol Hill neighborhood in all of the previous year.
Also on rt.com CHAZ protesters make their last stand, barricade streets with SPIKE STRIPS and port-a-potties (VIDEOS)"An increase of 525 percent, 22 additional incidents, in person-related crime in the area, to include two additional homicides, six additional robberies, and 16 additional aggravated assaults," Durkan's order says.
The mayor authorized police to take back the neighborhood on Wednesday, saying that conditions in CHOP have worsened "to the point where activities in and around this area threaten public health, life, and safety."
On Wednesday morning, Seattle police reclaimed their precinct in the city's "occupied" protest zone, arresting at least 31 people. Police Chief Carmen Best said in a statement that her officers were moving in after "weeks of violence" in and around the protest zone.
"The CHOP has become lawless and brutal. Four shootings – two fatal – robberies, assaults, violence, and countless property crimes have occurred in this several block area," Best said.
Demonstrators had occupied several blocks around a park and the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct after officers abandoned the building on June 8 following clashes with protesters demanding an end to police brutality. CHOP, previously called 'CHAZ,' area was originally portrayed as a peaceful rally against police brutality over the death of George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis in May.
Also on rt.com WATCH police on BIKES arrive to shut down Seattle's CHAZDurkan had initially recognized the "autonomous zone" clustered around the deserted East Precinct police station, describing it as a "peaceful expression of our community's collective grief," and confirmation of Seattle's "democracy."
But the city has been heavily criticized for letting the encampment prevail. A lawsuit brought by surrounding businesses accused Durkan and her administration of "enabling" the demonstrations.
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Jul 02, 2020 | www.zerohedge.com
Left-Wing CHOP Zone Responsible For 525% Spike In Seattle Crime by Tyler Durden Thu, 07/02/2020 - 22:15 Authored by Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News,
After characterizing the infamous CHOP area of downtown Seattle as a "summer of love," Mayor Jenny Durkan was eventually forced to acknowledge that the failed communist experiment was responsible for a whopping 525 per cent spike in crime.
As we highlighted yesterday , following weeks of violence and chaos, CHOP was finally dismantled by Seattle police, but only after occupiers marched on Mayor Durkan's 5,000 sqft., $7.6 million house.
For almost the entirety of June, the area was plagued with fights, bickering, robberies and rapes, with occupiers targeting both outsiders and each other.
It has now emerged that compared to the same period last year, from June 2 to June 30 there was a 525 per cent jump in crime.
This figure is even greater than the 300% number repeatedly cited by Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best.
Rather embarrassingly, after proclaiming a "summer of love" and telling President Trump, "Seattle is fine, don't be so afraid of democracy," Mayor Durkan was forced to acknowledge the numbers in her own emergency order.
The order states that there were, "22 additional incidents, in person-related crime in the area, to include two additional homicides, 6 additional robberies, and 16 additional aggravated assaults (to include 2 additional non-fatal shootings)."
So in other words, a commune that was built in the name of opposing violence and brutality led directly to a massive increase in violence and brutality.
So much for the tolerant left!
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Jul 01, 2020 | www.msn.com
Police disperse protesters in occupied CHOP area after emergency order Police dispersed protesters in Seattle's Capitol Hill Occupation Protest (CHOP) area and arrested at least 31 people on Wednesday after an emergency order by Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Durkan issued an executive order Tuesday in response to "reported life safety, public health and property issues" in and around the East Precinct and Cal Anderson Park area, which protesters have occupied for the past few weeks and which has been marred by a series of shootings.
"Due to ongoing violence and public safety issues in the East Precinct/Cal Anderson Park area, Mayor Jenny Durkan has issued an executive order to vacate the area. Seattle police will be in the area this morning enforcing the Mayor's order," the Seattle Police Department tweeted.
Police tweeted anyone who remains in the area or returns to it will be subject to arrest.
"Commanders have issued a dispersal order in accordance with the Mayor's emergency order. All protestors are being asked to leave the immediate area within eight minutes. Safe exit is to the South and West," police said.
The 31 arrests were for failure to disperse, obstruction, assault, and unlawful weapon possession, according to police.
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Jun 29, 2020 | www.youtube.com
Fox News 5.51M subscribersSUBSCRIBE Wall Street Journal columnist and Fox News contributor Dan Henninger reacts Seattle's 'CHOP' zone and nationwide protests on 'America's Newsroom.'
lexkooby , 1 day agoIf anything, they should sue that idiotic mayor. Play her 'summer of love' clip at the trial.
N V , 1 day agoThe mayor and governor should be made an example: fired and put in jail.
There is a word that describes the Seattle city government, "negligent."
Mybiz , 1 day agoThe whole country should sue George Soros, and reverse the laws that enable hedge funds.
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Jun 25, 2020 | angrybearblog.com
Unfortunately, it was going to happen, and we who support the movement need to call out those instances where it goes too far. I am talking about the justified Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement, mostly characterized by widespread peaceful protests even in small rural towns that never see such things, and with a solid majority of the American people currently supporting both the BLM and its main demands. As it is, one should probably not tie the BLM to some of these recent unacceptable events, although those engaged in them will justify their actions as being part of the movement. This should not be accepted.OK, the one that has really put me off happened last night at sometime after 10:30 PM in Madison, Wisconsin. A statue I know well was not only pulled down, but it was decapitated with both parts thrown in a nearby lake, although apparently since recovered. This statue stood on the east corner of the Capitol Square downtown. It is of Hans Christian Heg (1829-1863). An immigrant from Norway, he was an active anti-slavery abolitionist and member of the Free Soil Party who led the 15th Scandinavian American regiment in the Union army. He died fighting against the Confederacy in the Battle of Chickamauga, which it says on the base of his statue. There is absolutely no justification for this event.
This was accompanied by other pretty unacceptable nonsense. The "Forward" statue at the opposite end of the square was also pulled down and dragged down State Street. This is of a generic woman representing the state motto of "Forward," not quite as completely insane as pulling down Heg, but also without any obvious justification. The Forward motto and idea has long been associated with the Progressive tradition in the state, although I suppose one could drag in bad stuff about some of those folks, such as that some supported eugenics. But I do not think this crowd was thinking about that. What triggered this? Apparently, a man entered a restaurant with a baseball bat and a bullhorn, with which he began to harangue customers. He was later arrested for disorderly conduct, which sounds pretty reasonable to me. There was no violence or other impropriety in his arrest. But the crowd that pulled down the statues and smashed a lot of windows and attacked a state senator, putting him in the hospital for taking a photo of them, came several hours after his arrest to protest his arrest. Bah!
I note two other items that need to be disavowed and opposed by supporters of the BLM.
One was the tearing down of a statue in San Francisco of U.S. Grant. allegedly because for two years he owned a slave he inherited before he freed that slave. Well, I guess there is more case for pulling down his statue than that of Heg, for which there is zero. But he was not only the commander of the Union army that freed the slaves but as president, he supported Reconstruction that defended rights of the freed former slaves. The move to Jim Crow followed the end of his presidency.
Another is the continuation of the CHOP or CHAZ in Seattle, which, I gather, will be ended fairly soon one way or another. Initially sort of interesting, the area has been hit with shootings over the last four nights, with one over the weekend killing 19-year old Lorenzo Anderson. These are apparently not the result of outside white boogaloo racists attacking them but coming from inside this area. There so far has been zero investigation of or effort to find Anderson's murderer and arrest him. The only report I have seen is that Anderson was advocating people not to set off fireworks due to a possible fire hazard. This appears to have what got him killed, although so far there is little solid information. But, sorry, this experiment should not end and not be repeated anywhere else.
I further note that Hannity and others on Fox News are spending lots of time going on and on about this Seattle situation. Trump has been engaging in a series of increasingly unacceptable and outrageous actions, but those watching Fox and its allies hear and see none of that because, wow, there go those awful rioters in Seattle again! Initially, Fox made up and distorted reporting about what was going on there, which was initially peaceful and, yes,"Summer of Love" like. But, unfortunately, now they do not need to make up stuff to put up ugly stories about it.
Barkley Rosser
earl , June 25, 2020 10:31 am
HankP , June 25, 2020 2:44 pm"which was initially peaceful and, yes,"Summer of Love" like"
Seriously? This was nothing but ugly from the beginning.
Barkley Rosser , June 25, 2020 4:49 pmI live in the CHOP neighborhood, and you're repeating lies that conservative media has spread about what's going on here
- – the shootings were outside of the CHOP barriers. The area has had fatal and non-fatal shootings pretty regularly over the past several years
- – the shootings did not come from inside CHOP, they were in every case done by people who drove away after they shot someone. One of the cars had no license plates, you can draw what conclusions you'd like from that.
- – CHOP is disbanding on its own as I write this, BLM withdrew support of the whole idea over a week ago.
- – the problems with CHOP all came in the wee hours of the morning, from dawn to midnight the atmosphere actually was similar to "the summer of love" in many ways. For example, the homeless have been taken care of by the CHOP volunteers far better than the city ever did, and without driving them away to be someone else's problem
The reason CHOP is fading is because the various activists could never agree on strategy and tactics. That's because they are activists and not city managers, and the police abandoned the area with no warning. That they managed to arrange volunteers to do all the work they did was fairly impressive, as many out of town visitors commented to me.
HankP , June 25, 2020 6:37 pmSorry, HankP, but you are a lying piece of garbage.
I have checked pretty much all sources available on the internet, including several TV stations and the Seattle Times. There is not a single mention of cars driving away or somebody from outside doing this.
It does appear Lorenzo Anderson was killed "on the edge" of the CHOP zone, at the corner of 10th and Pine Street. Maybe he was on one side of the line or maybe he was on the other. However, if he was actually outside of the zone, why did a crowd block police and an ambulance from getting to him. Reportedly he was taken to a hospital by some "medics" from within the zone, but clearly too late.
The report I cited, coming from a local TV station, is the only one providing any more specific info about the shooting. Someone named "Stavy," no last name, claiming to be his godmother, was demanding answers from the protesters regarding what happened.
There was somebody who spoke to the TV station, "Brooks," who claims to be an "organizer" of the group there. He is the one who said that Anderson was urging people not to use fireworks near trees out of a concern for fire safety, but some unnamed person or persons did not like this, a "matter of egos and pride," with the upshot Anderson was shot multiple times. Not a word about any outsiders, much less anybody getting away in a car.
I have read reports of days earlier a couple of armed hostile types showing up during the daytime and wandering through, but no violence came as a result of that. However there have now been at least four gunfights with multople psople injured, although with no specific reporting about details, but not a shred of claims from anybody that it is what you claim it is, HankP.
So, this is a put up or shut up, HankP. Do you have any source besides yourself to support any of your claims, any of them, even one? As of now, I think you are just a worthless liar, no better than some Trumpanzee.
anne , June 25, 2020 6:57 pm– According to observers, starting at 11 p.m. Friday, cars began parking outside the barricades bordering the zone at 10th and Pine streets, eventually numbering about 20 vehicles. The atmosphere was festive at first, with fireworks set off to celebrate high school and college graduations, and eventually, firearms were discharged into the air, several people recounted.
Jones recalls trying to discourage that behavior with at least one reveler who had a concealed weapon and claimed knowledge of gun-safety practices.
"I encountered a younger kid who had a gun and wanted to let his friend shoot it off as a celebration," Jones said. "I was telling him this can't be that type of environment; we're trying to protest. Actively using guns in any form or fashion is going to bring wants and desires for the cops to come back." – https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/20/chop-shooting-seattle/
– Young said that he was leaving the CHOP to head home early Saturday morning. He says four men approached him, called him a racial slur and shot him Young said that despite being outside the CHOP zone, it was volunteer medics and not the Seattle police or fire department that tended to him and ultimately drove him to Harborview. – https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/chop-shooting-victim-calls-out-police-for-not-responding-fast-enough/281-388ad6ca-e616-41c7-990e-ea12c3036ca2
– Proud Boys beat a man at CHOP – https://discussglobal.com/tusitala-tiny-toese-assaults-man-proud-boys-smash-phone-chop/
– Video of Proud Boys beating a man, you can clearly see the van with no plates – https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1272756542211674115
– the cops were not blocked, that's another lie they told. They advanced on the crowd with guns drawn and pointed, people in the crowd told them the injured was already gone to the hospital
– Of the 5 shootings, only 2 were known to be inside CHOP. One was a man who drove into the crowd and shot a protester before running into the police station. Turns out he was the brother of a cop who worked there. – https://mynorthwest.com/1930913/seattle-protester-shot-suspect-appears-in-court/
– I live here, I've seen everything go down since it started, and you can go fuck yourself for calling me a liar.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/opinion/seattle-autonomous-zone-CHOP.html
June 24, 2020
Don't Be Fooled by Seattle's Police-Free Zone
The city looks progressive but has a history of racism and exclusion. This could be a turning point.
By Margaret O'MaraSEATTLE -- Seattle's police-free "autonomous zone" is coming to an end.
After two largely peaceful weeks, shootings over the last several days near the Capitol Hill Organized Protest area, CHOP for short, left a 19-year-old man dead and three others wounded. Mayor Jenny Durkan announced on Monday that the city would retake the abandoned police precinct at the heart of the zone and wind down the occupation.
In its brief life, CHOP has reinforced Seattle's reputation as a quirky left-coast bastion of strong coffee and strong progressive politics. Many white Seattleites like to think of their city that way too. But Seattle's progressive appearance is deceiving.
It is a city and region with a long history of racism, of violent marginalization, and of pushing back against more radical movements for social change. It is, in short, much like the rest of America.
The global protests of the last few weeks have rightly generated the feeling that the world is at a turning point on redressing racial inequities. This moment has great possibilities, but the history of Seattle and other seemingly progressive places should make us realize that change is not that simple.
A 2008 report found that black people make up less than 10 percent of Seattle's population but well over half of the drug-related arrests. The Police Department was placed under federal oversight in 2011 after incidents of excessive use of force on nonwhite residents. The public schools here are more segregated than they were three decades ago. Less than three weeks ago, the police sprayed protesters with tear gas on the same streets now given over to the teach-ins and community gardens of CHOP.
There is, to be sure, a radical streak in the city's history. In 1919, Seattle shut down for five days as 60,000 unionized workers walked off the job in a general strike. In the 1930s, the Communist Party was so ascendant here that James Farley, a close adviser to President Franklin Roosevelt, said that "there are 47 states in the Union, and the Soviet of Washington."
Huge anti-globalization marches greeted delegates to the World Trade Organization meeting here in 1999, causing a partial shutdown of the conference and such a ferociously violent police response that the chief was forced to retire.
But these movements often have been squelched by pushback from political leaders, even those who once were allies. Mayor Ole Hanson, who led Seattle during the 1919 general strike, once had been a labor-friendly moderate, but quickly turned into an implacable union foe.
"The Soviet government of Russia, duplicated here, was their plan," he wrote in an essay published on the front page of The New York Times shortly after the strike's end. Now, he assured anxious readers, "law and order are supreme in our city."
Paul Schell, who was mayor during the 1999 protests, was less pugnacious in his analysis but remained reluctant to condemn the police. "I wish everybody had behaved themselves," Mr. Schell later reflected. "And that it would have been more civilized."
But the story here goes beyond political leadership. It involves deep, systemic racial inequalities baked into the fabric of this overwhelmingly white city.
"For most of its history," James Gregory, a historian, observes, "Seattle was a segregated city, as committed to white supremacy as any location in America."
Discriminatory mortgage lending and racially restrictive covenants limited Seattle's nonwhite population to a single neighborhood, the Central District. Fair housing laws opened up new parts of the city and suburbs to minority homeowners and renters after the 1960s, but Seattle's overwhelmingly single-family zoning limited the housing available to new buyers.
Such zoning has been remarkably difficult to change. The region's homeowners may vote Democratic and plant racial solidarity signs in their front yards, but often resist higher densities that can increase the affordable housing supply.
Civil rights issues, particularly measures to combat anti-black racism, can be subsumed by broader social justice agendas. The city's most prominent voice on the left in recent years is Kshama Sawant, a socialist elected to the City Council in 2013. She has focused much of her ire on Seattle's high-tech employers and the politicians who support them.
As protests escalated in recent weeks, Ms. Sawant frustrated some allies by renewing her push for an "Amazon tax" on large employers to bolster homelessness initiatives. After the tax became a rallying cry at a recent Sawant-led demonstration at City Hall, one protester asked in exasperation, "I want to tax Amazon too, but can we please for once focus on black lives?"
Similar patterns have shaped politics and opportunity in other seemingly progressive cities. In Minneapolis, the poverty and police violence that killed George Floyd are legacies of a century of racial segregation, enforced by restrictive covenants, zoning and an Interstate highway that sliced through the city's largest black neighborhood. A comparable mix of public policies and local prejudice have maintained segregation and inequality in Oakland and San Francisco, Chicago and Washington, Los Angeles and New York.
Nevertheless, this looks like a moment when Seattle and other cities like it might move past their histories of racism and exclusion.
Almost every day for weeks, Seattle has seen peaceful marches organized and led by black and minority activists but drawing heavily white crowds .
Margaret O'Mara is a professor of history at the University of Washington.
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The moves to disband the anarcho-commune-slash-protest-zone come soon after a second lawsuit was filed against both the mayor and the city itself over CHOP.
Filed on Thursday, the suit – which also names Governor Jay Inslee – alleges that the city "did allow, aid, abet, and actively facilitate, the exclusive physical occupation, takeover and control of an approximate six city block area of publicly owned real property of an American city by an un-elected, unauthorized, and violent group of citizens promoting a political special interest group."
The suit follows a similar complaint, filed earlier this week by more than a dozen local business owners. Though they voiced support for the rights and efforts of the Black Lives Matter movement, a lawyer representing the plaintiffs said they were concerned about "public order" and "safety," adding "They want access to their streets and to their properties."
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Authored by Isabel van Brugen via The Epoch Tiomes,Protesters at Seattle 's "Capitol Hill Organized Protest" (CHOP) zone are being encouraged by community leaders and an activist whose brother was fatally shot by city police in 2016 to leave the "occupied" protest zone.
A Twitter account, which claims to be the "official account" for CHOP, posted a statement on Wednesday addressed to "comrades in the struggle," encouraging protesters to leave the area that was established earlier this month in the wake of Black American George Floyd's death in police custody.
An important message from #CHOP #CHOPSeattle . Please amplify. Thank you for your support over the last two weeks. #ChopWasASuccess #CHOPcomms #CHOPCHAZ ☂️☂️☂️ #BlackLivesMatter pic.twitter.com/7e5ISrWvX6
-- Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (Official Account) (@CHOPOfficialSEA) June 24, 2020"The CHOP project is now concluded," the message said.
"While we expect a very small handful of holdouts may try to remain in the CHOP, no further organizing will be occurring to support this presence and the number on-site will be too small to be more than an annoyance for pedestrians rather than a zonal blockade."
It is unclear who runs the Twitter account, however, the statement was signed as from "the Capitol Hill Solidarity Committee."
"Last night, Solidarity Committee received notice from some of our trusted partners that persons in the park were in danger. We immediately implemented our emergency relocation plan, successfully evacuating most of the park. Thankfully, no danger materialized. However, we are now left with the reality that very few people remain in our beloved CHOP," the message continued.
Free food station for those in the zone: pic.twitter.com/SkfeI9SMLZ
-- Bowen Xiao (@BowenXiao_) June 12, 2020It called on protestors occupying the zone to "continue the struggle" through social media platforms such as Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and Snapchat, adding: "We have held city officials accountable and can continue to do so in a way that is safe for everyone."
The message then called on supporters to vote for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, to reelect Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D), and Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan (D).
It comes after Durkan announced on Monday that officials were working to dismantle the blocks-long span of city streets that President Donald Trump asserted was run by "anarchists," after a shooting left one person dead over the weekend. Three other shootings have been reported in the area in recent days.
I spent nearly 1 week inside #CHAZ interviewing different people and documenting what I saw.
Here's what I found: https://t.co/TqnaXyxZbR
-- Bowen Xiao (@BowenXiao_) June 17, 2020Durkan said at a news conference that the violence was distracting from changes sought by thousands of peaceful protesters seeking to address racial inequity and police brutality.
"The cumulative impacts of the gatherings and protests and the nighttime atmosphere and violence has led to increasingly difficult circumstances for our businesses and residents," she said. "The impacts have increased and the safety has decreased."
Dozens of protestors, however, are reportedly refusing to budge despite increasing calls to do so. They say their demands to slash police budget by 50 percent and distribute funds to community efforts have not been met.
"Our demands aren't met," one man who had set up his tent outside the Seattle Police Department's abandoned East Precinct building told The Seattle Times . "Why would we leave?"
As part of the 2020 and 2021 budget, we will be looking at @SeattlePD 's culture and budget. Police should not always be first people on the scene to deal with every call for help. Not every 9-1-1 call requires someone with a firearm to show up.
-- Mayor Jenny Durkan (@MayorJenny) June 23, 2020Durkan on Wednesday submitted a "Budget Rebalancing" document ( pdf ) that seeks to cut $20 million from the city's police department budget in a bid to address a series of challenges that include "a movement to demand anti-racist action, to divest and rethink policing, and end institutional racism."
The mayor's proposal for a $20 million cut amounts to a 5 percent cut, according to The Seattle Times .
The earliest scheduled vote on the rebalancing legislation and amendments is on July 1, according to an official committee meeting schedule .
"Not This Time" founder Andre Taylor, whose brother Che Taylor was shot by Seattle police four years ago, said the violence in the occupied zone distracts from key messages about racial injustice.
"If there was no violence, you should've stood there for as [long as] you wanted to stay there, but the violence creates a different narrative where the people in authority have to look at it differently," he told KING-TV .
"Our community does not support the violence," he added.
Last year, the local county prosecutor overseeing Taylor's case said that charges against the police officers who opened fire on Taylor would not be filed after a majority of jurors said they believed the officers thought Taylor posed a "threat of death or serious bodily injury." Andre argued that he believes the officers internalized their fear in the lead up to the confrontation as they observed Taylor from afar.
The statement from CHOP's "official" Twitter account said they were told that the zone would be dismantled "no later than early next week."
"[It] will be preceded by the removal of barriers and the reopening of streets to traffic," the statement said.
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More than a dozen businesses are taking the city of Seattle to court over its handling of the 'autonomous' police-free zone that sprung up two weeks ago, arguing that the city has failed to maintain basic public safety. The plaintiffs claim that the city government looked the other way as protesters took over a six-block neighborhood earlier this month, after police abandoned their East Precinct station.
The area was dubbed the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ), but was later re-branded as the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (CHOP). The unpoliced encampment was soon plagued by crime, vandalism and violence. A series of shootings over a 48-hour period earlier this week led to one fatality.
Mayor Jenny Durkan originally called the protest a "peaceful expression of our community's collective grief," but has since vowed to restore order. However, her change of heart appears to be too little, too late for the businesses that have lawyered-up.
DEVELOPING: More than a dozen businesses inside CHOP zone, on Seattle's Capitol Hill, file 56-page class action lawsuit against the City of Seattle. They're seeking unspecified damages, to be determined at trial. pic.twitter.com/RPlsW3DuNv
-- Preston Phillips (@PrestonTVNews) June 25, 2020"Rather than seeking to restore order and protect residents and property owners within CHOP, the City instead chose to actively endorse, enable and participate in the occupation of CHOP," the suit alleges.
Filed on Wednesday, the legal complaint states that "violence, vandalism, excessive noise, public drug use, and other crimes are rampant" in the neighborhood, and that the city's reluctance to intervene has resulted in the "elimination of basic public safety" in the area.
Although they support the anti-racist, anti-police brutality message of the protesters, the plaintiffs said that the encampment – which has been guarded by barricades, and sometimes even armed guards – has blocked public access to their businesses.
The lawsuit is seeking damages for lost business, property damage and deprivation of their rights as property owners.
Also on rt.com CHAZ protesters reinforce barricades & form human chains as Seattle mayor vows to dismantle anarchic encampment (PHOTOS, VIDEO)Although the encampment has shrunk in size, remaining protesters have been preparing for a showdown with the city. The group has reinforced barricades around the East Precinct, vowing that they won't leave voluntarily. Durkan announced earlier this week that police would return to the neighborhood, but has stated that they will do so peacefully.
A spokesperson from the mayor's office said that city officials were trying to negotiate with protesters in hopes of finding a "path forward" which "keeps people safe."
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Lorenzo Anderson's brother, the victim from the Saturday morning shooting at CHOP says that members of the anarchist zone hid his little brother's body from him. Why would they do that if a "right wing" person managed to sneak into the zone? Cover up? Trying to keep someone from killing one of their own?
The brother's name was not given.
CHAZ /CHOP shooting victim Lorenzo Anderson`s brother speaks out about his brother being hidden from him pic.twitter.com/h8T2TtjzvJ
-- maria viti (@selfdeclaredref) June 21, 2020
"My little brother was in a tent. They hid my little brother from me for the longest -- I thought my little brother was at a hospital," he said. "I didn't see where they had my little brother at until about 9 o'clock this morning. The table was covered in blood."The brother claimed that "protesters" told him that the blood did not belong to his brother, but he pointed out that the other shooting victim drove themselves to the hospital and that his brother was the only one who was bleeding out at CHAZ.
"Why did they lie to me about what was on that table?" he asked. " Gateway Pundit
Shooting victim Lorenzo Anderson`s brother speaks out about authority in CHAZ /CHOP pic.twitter.com/6nZvfvIL26
-- maria viti (@selfdeclaredref) June 21, 2020
CHAZ /CHOP shooting victim Lorenzo Anderson`s brother speaks out about lawlessness pic.twitter.com/ZiqzqRpPgi
-- maria viti (@selfdeclaredref) June 21, 2020
"It's my block now. My little brother died on this block." Lorenzo Anderson's brother
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A couple of pieces of information not previously stated: the brother said there were two shootings on Saturday – one where his brother was killed, and one a block away. He also mentioned that the other victim drove himself to the hospital, which is not what Seattle Police stated: they said that the both victims were transported to the Harborview Medical Center by CHOP medics. The second victim is in critical condition, and while it could be that he took himself to the hospital, since Harborview is only a few blocks from CHOP, it's iffy.
Lorenzo Anderson's brother mentioned that he was not going to take kindly to anymore of his brothers being hurt, and that he would be out there every night from now on. He also said he was willing to go to jail for life based on what he would do to the suspect.
Kshama Sawant, the extreme left wing socialist member of Seattle's City council, claimed that a right wing person sneaked into the CHOP zone and killed Lorenzo Anderson. The attempt to hide Anderson's body from his own brother makes that narrative suspect.
Just prior to the shooting, a fight broke out between members of CHOP. It is unclear what the fight was about. But if a CHOP member did the shooting, then it smashes Sawant's theory all to pieces. Will anyone actually listen if that's the case? Or will they just kill the perpetrator without a trial if they find him first?
Video of the fight leading up to the 10th and Pike shooting that happened at 2:18 am #CHOP pic.twitter.com/meBfrfWh7R
-- max (@MaxGeopolitics) June 21, 2020
The full livesteam of the interview by Converge Media with Lorenzo Anderson's brother is here (59 minutes):
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One of the CHAZ occupiers took to Reddit over the weekend to complain that their tent had been looted and their laptop stolen, along with $400 in cash.
The CHAZ community quickly stepped in to reassure the victim that "a disadvantaged resident was in greater need of the items than you," and to think of the theft as an "unplanned donation."
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"An anarchist is someone who doesn't need a cop to make him behave," American anarchist Ammon Hennacy once wrote. Based on the scenes playing out in Seattle's Antifa-occupied 'autonomous zone', Hennacy was dead wrong.
A ragtag collective of Antifa types, anarchists, socialists, and 'Black Lives Matter' activists have occupied a six-block area around an abandoned police precinct in downtown Seattle for a week now. Roads into the 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone' (CHAZ) have been blockaded, and the would-be revolutionaries inside have set in motion a bold experiment: to prove that a cop-free society, based on "mutual aid," can sustain itself.
Sunday night seems to have proven otherwise. When the owner of an auto shop in the zone found a man attempting to light his business on fire, he detained the culprit, or so he told a crowd gathered outside. However, rather than let their comrade be handed over to law enforcement, the crowd set about pulling down the fence around the lot, in a bid to free the thwarted arsonist.
BREAKING: A CapHill protester just broke into a nearby Car Tender auto shop and tried to set the building on fire
Owners detained him but then a mob of protesters ran down the street and attacked & tore down his fence
Owner says police and fire dept have done nothing
"The police won't come," the owner told a cameraman. "The fire department won't even come. This is really bad for business. Covid was bad enough, and now this stuff basically put the icing on the cake."
With the police absent, the zone's de-facto warlord, rapper Raz Simone, arrived to defuse the situation. However, Raz is not bound to the same rules of conduct as the Seattle Police Department. In a series of videos published by conservative journalist Jack Posobiec, the rapper-turned-strongman can be seen chasing down an accused thief later on Sunday night and ordering his bag searched, as gun-toting guards keep the suspect on the scene.
The facade of order was broken when a man attacked the supposed thief, who slipped away in the confusion.
Part 4: Now they are frisking the accused thief at gunpoint. John Brown Gun Club forming a perimeter
Jack Posobiec ✔ @JackPosobiecSomeone ran in and began beating the accused thief. Then a commotion started and he slipped away
Enforcing private property rights in an anarchist utopia has proven difficult. One of the CHAZ occupiers took to Reddit over the weekend to complain that their tent had been looted and their laptop stolen, along with $400 in cash. The CHAZ community quickly stepped in to reassure the victim that "a disadvantaged resident was in greater need of the items than you," and to think of the theft as an "unplanned donation."
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Much of the zone's strategizing and organizing happens on Reddit. Here, some of the CHAZ organizers pondered a conflict resolution process over the weekend, to prevent similar thefts and disagreements. One of the plans discussed was the creation of a "Conflict Resolution Advisory Council." However, the initial plan of electing one black man, one black woman and one white woman to resolve disputes soon fell apart when the organizers decided to include trans and non-binary representatives of all races, homeless members, mixed-race children, as well as 12 Asian members, as the original plan of including one Asian was deemed racist.
Hunter Estes @realHunterEstes
This CHAZ (Seattle's new autonomous zone) discussion of setting up a conflict resolution council is absolutely worth a read if you want a laugh.
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With the council debate mired in intersectional squabbling, Raz and his band have had free rein to impose their own vision on CHAZ. The 'warlord' rapper has been accused of punching journalists, while activists were seen on video placing a Christian preacher in a chokehold on Saturday.
ELIJAH SCHAFFER ✔ @ElijahSchaffer
"the autonomous zone has the right to reject you"
A citizen of # CHAZ yells at a street preacher being held down by Antifa
As he screams "I am free citizen!"
While they pry his speaker from his hands
And chokehold him at one point face down like George Floyd (video below)
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A number of overdoses have also been reported, to which Seattle's emergency services had to respond.
Man in # CHAZ overdosed & is rushed out by Seattle Fire
After passing out on a field
His eyes were rolled back and was unresponsive
Antifa medics did not want people filming the incident
More info on @ JackPosobiec as his source was on the scene too
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A man overdosed on CHAZghanistan. The "autonomous zone" called US ambulance to treat him.
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City authorities, meanwhile, seem content to let the 'Lord of the Flies' situation play out in the CHAZ. Rebuffing calls from President Donald Trump to stop the "ugly anarchists" "Immediately," Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan has called the occupation a "summer of love," and scolded Trump, telling him "don't be so afraid of democracy."
Some residents are unhappy with Durkan's hands-off approach. "I'd like to see the police precinct restored. I'd like to see the city of Seattle step up and represent their people," the auto store owner said on Sunday night. Another resident told the Daily Caller that he's been "scared every day" since the zone was established, claiming he's "heard screams of terror out there" on the streets.
Shelby Talcott ✔ @ShelbyTalcott
I spoke to a resident of Capitol Hill, the area of Seattle that is now CHAZ.
He was terrified & told me that the very lawmakers he supported and elected have abandoned him.
"This is personal, because this is my home & I don't have cops anymore."
VIDEO: https:// bit.ly/37FDOnv
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"I called everyone in City Council, and no one would answer. I called the mayor, and no one would answer," he added.
However, a collection of self-described "American Patriots," made up of various militia and biker groups, is planning on retaking the zone from the leftists. According to an event posted on Facebook, more than 1,500 members of these "patriot groups" will descend on downtown Seattle on July 4 to "tear down the illegal barriers on public property, clean up the mess these communist kids made, and return the police station over to Seattle Police Department control."
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" This past Sunday, a veto-proof majority of the council announced plans to disband its police department and invest in community-based public safety programs.
According to Friday's resolution, the city council will begin a year-long process of engaging "with every willing community member in Minneapolis" to develop a new public safety model.
"We acknowledge that the current system is not reformable -- that we would like to end the current policing system as we know it," council member Alondra Cano said.
The council declared it would create a "transformative new model" of public safety in the city.
A "Future of Community Safety Work Group," will be formed and will include staff from city departments, including the offices of violence prevention and civil rights.
The council also voted unanimously on Friday to end the local emergency order that had been declared due to protests in the wake of Floyd's death. " Forbes
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And then out in Seattle we have the "summer of love" mayor on TeeVee accepting something that looks like a miniature version of the Paris Commune while being framed on one side by "Old Glory" and on the other by Washington State's green flag with the face of George Washington (a prominent slaveholder and planter) featured thereon. Will it not be necessary to change the name of the state?
To repeat my earlier assertion it seems inevitable that there will be more, many more, "Communes" springing up across the US. The locale will be all important of course. I would recommend against trying this gambit anywhere in Texas. OTOH, just about anywhere in California will be fertile ground and Boston might be welcoming to an "Autonomous" enclave somewhere downtown. Any Democrat run area is a possibility really.
Trump is at West Point bloviating today. He has the right instincts concerning the need to maintain public order but he has never learned how to drive the machine of the Executive Branch and his personnel decisions have often been appalling.
It would be interesting to learn what a President Joe Biden and then the wise woman of color who succeeds him would do with the ongoing development of this situation. pl
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The Twisted Genius , 12 June 2020 at 12:02 PMJun 14, 2020 | turcopolier.typepad.com
If Seattle can accept CHAZ' secession, why not San Francisco. LA or Chicago?
"What we do know is that Washington officials have completely lost control of the CHAZ, and they won't get it back without exerting force. Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan has tried to negotiate with these protesters without success, and the protesters haven't shown signs of budging. Peaceful or not, this is anarchy. And the only reason Seattle protesters have gotten away with it is that law enforcement hasn't been able to challenge them.
This is what happens when you remove policing from the picture. If we do not have a way to enforce our laws, then any number of citizens could do what these protesters are doing and create their own autonomous zones, make up its rules, and force other citizens to obey them. Last I checked, we considered such behavior unacceptable.
And it is, which is why Democrats and other activists should think twice before supporting "defund the police," a movement that would ultimately like to see law enforcement abolished or at least crippled. If this movement has its way, the lawlessness will not stay in Seattle. It will spread, and it will lead to violence." Washington Examiner
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The mayor of Seattle says that the seizure and occupation of a portion of downtown Seattle is OK by her. She predicts that Seattle may now experience a "summer of love" and that Trump should stay in his besieged bunker in Washington and mind his own business.
The "Capital Hill Autonomous Zone" (CHAZ) has defined its present borders, installed border guards and is taxing (extorting) business and people within its territory. The mayor of Seattle and the governor of Washington State (soon to be renamed) are notorious leftists as are many citizens resident in the city and state.
What is being affected in Seattle is de facto secession from the United States. This differs from the secession of the Confederate States in 1861 in that it is the states that are the contracting parties in the US constitutional union and not cities or parts of states.
The US Congress some years ago created US Northern Command with headquarters in Colorado for the purpose of defending the US against threats both external and internal. It is one of the Unified Commands that are subordinate to POTUS and below him to SECDEF. Like the other Unified commands it has no troops of its own but has numerous contingency plans under which troops will be made available to it on order. Nearby at Tacoma there is Ft. Lewis which has most of the 2nd Infantry Division in garrison. when Trump says that he could take action against the CHAZ rebellion, he has the means. The question arises as to whether the chain of command would obey him considering that General Milley has expressed the tenderness of his feelings with regard to the use of troops to suppress disturbances. I have pointed out that federal troops (not the NG) have been used 14 times since the end of the Indian Wars to suppress unrest but, this is evidently of no concern to Milley or Fightin' Jack Keane who supports Milley.
I ask you pilgrims, if secession is allowed in Seattle, why would various discontented groups not attempt it elsewhere? pl
Cold War Colonel , 12 June 2020 at 10:46 AM
zm , 12 June 2020 at 10:57 AMThe mayor (herrronner?) and the governor are trying to look the other way and deny that the occupiers have guns, have established borders, checkpoints, are demanding money from citizens caught in CHAZ, etc. No problem, they say, just citizens exercising their constitutional rights peacefully. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, who are we to believe, the mayor/governor or our own eyes?
Political scientists define government as the institution with the monopoly on the use of force. CHAZ is a defacto government competing with the city, state and federal governments.
Colonel, your comments are spot on. What is to prevent this from happening elsewhere where local authorities will not exercise their lawful authority?
This makes me yearn for leaders like Frank Rizzo again.
eakens , 12 June 2020 at 11:02 AMNot quite the Euromaidan yet, but getting there. Things can get out of control so quickly and so drastically. Sad.
plantman , 12 June 2020 at 11:23 AMWashington State has no state income tax. The Federal Government has a lot of power.
chris moffatt , 12 June 2020 at 11:48 AMReasonable people-- on either side of the aisle-- can agree that we cannot allow parts of our cities to be handed over to the rabble. Jenny Durkin is letting her personal ideology cloud her judgement. The crisis needs to be addressed swiftly and with as much force as needed. Seizing public land and private property has nothing to do with BLM or racial justice, it's a flagrant powergrab by criminals and opportunists who should be held accountable for their actions.
The lack of clearsightedness seems to have overtaken the entire democratic party which seems to think there is some "gray area" in this matter. But there isn't. It's cut and dry for anyone with half a brain.
I live just north of Seattle, and I'll tell you, there are alot of people who can't wait to vote these goofballs out of office.
Deap , 12 June 2020 at 11:54 AMWhy would they not? They most certainly will in any jurisdiction where they feel the authorities are either compliant or lack the will to resist. This situation has been planned by the anarchists for a long time and can now only be resolved by force. Trump had better fire Milley and move on this very quickly. There is presidential precedent for this going back to Sheay's rebellion.
Deap , 12 June 2020 at 12:01 PMDon't spread this "liberation" around geographically - concentrate it all in Seattle. Let it be the magnet city for all those who want a totally free, autonomous lifestyle, but NO foreign aid from the US allowed.
I do support "space" dedicated for those who chose not to participate in productive activity and provide for their own food and shelter. But confine his location to one dedicated "freedom area" only; not spread it a around.
One way bus tickets to Seattle provided by non-profits should do the trick and clean up this "homeless" mess once and for all. Thank you Seattle for drawing the short straw. You're it.
From WTO to the nation's LOO, there could not be a more deserving city. You gave us Starbucks, Amazon, Microsoft and now finally the answer to vagrancy and lawlessness. A grateful nation thanks you.
Seeds of Seattle anarchy well planted and cultivated by its non-response to its recent invasion of vagrant camps. How was this any different than being taken over by radical separatists?
A must see documentary, produced well before this current insurrection that the mayor insists will breathe new life into this already fractious town. "Seattle is Dying": https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/seattle-dying/
Zed , 12 June 2020 at 12:25 PMThe federal government let the Bundys and their armed followers hold the Malheur Wildlife Refuge HQ for 40 days before taking them into custody. There were armed standoffs with the Bundys on and off for several years preceding that. The nation endured those challenges. We'll endure CHAZ which looks more like a hippie commune/street party than an armed standoff.
CHAZ is not autonomous at all. It still has city water and power. The concrete barriers were removed to all emergency services to enter CHAZ. This removal was done with the mutual agreement between CHAZ and the Seattle government. Residents and businesses deny they are being taxed. Some have said they prefer this to the police gassing of the area.
This AZ will either melt away or morph into some kind of equilibrium with the city. It can't sustain itself as is. This is another instance where we should not fall prey to hysteria.
Deap , 12 June 2020 at 12:26 PM
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ9-fBPjdG0&feature=share
- https://medium.com/@emilypothast/what-the-f-ck-is-going-on-in-seattle-48efbe6214f8.
The local perspective.
Deap , 12 June 2020 at 12:33 PM......"Personally, I'm excited for Chaz. And I can't wait to see the utopia bloom.
But the name's a bit of a short-changer. As the territory evolves, I recommend "Seattle Haven for Idealistic Triumph."
It's a different acronym, but something about it feels right."
(From: RedState)Seattle
Haven for
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turcopolier , 12 June 2020 at 12:36 PMWhy haven't we heard from the 500 or so private property owning residents who got trapped in this Seattle city council enabled miasma? If they are all good with this, then let them be.
But why are US based public utilities still serving this newly autonomous area when there are no cross-border agreements. Their neighbor Vancouver and the rest of Canada has effectively created a travel and tourism wall around their entire country.
Why is newly independent CHAZ still allowed to feed off the US? Of course, this new status means they are no longer US registered voters for any upcoming US elections
turcopolier , 12 June 2020 at 12:39 PMzed
BillWade , 12 June 2020 at 01:00 PMTTG
As I recall the Bundy problem, they did not claim to have detached the reserve from the US. They were upset about what they saw as misuse of the property. They believed that certain lands should be returned by the YSG to the states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge
Bill H , 12 June 2020 at 01:02 PMTheir fledgling garden reminds me of an old Beavis and Butthead show, the boys were asked by their teacher what they would like to grow as part of a class project, they decided upon nachos.
The Twisted Genius , 12 June 2020 at 01:04 PMThere is no principle or ideology involved in the state declining to break up that "protest" takeover. There is simply a lack of the courage required to do so.
Seamus Padraig , 12 June 2020 at 01:17 PMpl,
Bundy did not recognize federal police power or federal courts. He views were in line with the Sovereign Citizen Movement. More specifically, he wanted federal lands transferred to private ownership. His ranching operation was dependent on unfettered and free use of federal grazing land.
Deap , 12 June 2020 at 01:24 PM@ Deap | 12 June 2020 at 11:54 AM
They tried something similar in Copenhagen in 1971, with mixed results ... but their anarchist collective, 'Freetown Christiania', still exists, albeit a little worse for the wear:
Mark K Logan , 12 June 2020 at 01:48 PMZed, thank you for the local video which does give far more credence to the overall "block party" description, but the over all impression is also "Seattle So White". I hope you do have a summer of love in your city drawing in the world's disaffected, and they all ..... wear flowers in their hair.
Deap , 12 June 2020 at 02:08 PMAs I mentioned in Harper's thread the Seattle police are pulling the chair, a basketball reference, on the protesters. It will be interesting to see how that plays out but it's currently "so far so good."
The protesters became obsessed on the east side precinct HQ for whatever reason, now they "have" it. We all must be careful what we wish for. Next night the protesters were down to a couple dozen hard core and the local residents are now the ones giving them grief, not the cops.
Fred , 12 June 2020 at 02:23 PMThe Copenhagen "autonomous" community is on an island (peninsula?) and far removed from their downtown. You can view it on a canal boat tour. I believe it was the site of a former industrial or public utilities plant. Mixed reviews locally, but does not intrude on surrounding metropolitan area.
Key West has a similar nearby offshore island that is a free for all described by some as either pure heaven or pure hell, depending on their perspective. Not sure what its current state is today - waste management was its biggest concern.
Zurich tried its "needle park" free drug use zone, but that also failed. One may need to include strict isolation as a criteria for autonomous zones, before giving them any social credibility. Either they is or they ain't. And if they ain't they must live within the confines of polite society. Unless of course they are truly not asking for "freedom" and only want to be in your face contrarians.
Barbara Ann , 12 June 2020 at 02:25 PMTTG,
Which city is that NWR located in and how many civilians were barricaded inside with the Bundy's?
phodges , 12 June 2020 at 02:30 PMI disagree with @plantman's assessment that the Dems' reaction to this results from a lack of clearsightedness. They know exactly what they are doing in their silence or tacit support; it is yet another futile attempt at entrapment. The same people who defend the war on the constitutionally defensible secession of the states of the Confederacy will cry foul them moment force is used against the utterly unconstitutional Seattle Commune.
Trump knows this and his threats are, as usual, bluster. He can let CHAZ wither on the vine and simultaneously use it as an opportunity to show what happens when Fukuyamism-Lennonism (thank you DH) is left unchallenged.
Already libertarian maximalists are coming out of the woodwork to defend people's right to declare autonomous zones anywhere they like. I saw Hans-Hermann Hoppe cited somewhere. This fellow believes in the "..rights of property owners to establish private covenant communities." with the ability to exclude and eject people based on religion, sexual orientation and so on (wiki). To me this seems a sure recipe for the collapse of any sort of cohesive state. It is surely a short journey from Hoppe to Hobbes.
You are absolutely right to differentiate between the secession of a state (let Washington try it if they wish) and the anarchic takeover of part of a city, which is simple lawlessness. Hysterical hatred of Trump fomented and encouraged by the left and by the media has led to this. All the more grist to Trump's mill, roll on November.
505th PIR , 12 June 2020 at 02:31 PMIt's a slow simmering Tahrir or Maidan. Just wait until they turn the rioter/protesters back on, in force, in November. I am planning a trip out of the country.
Funny thing is I lived adjacent to the to the 11th precinct for 10 years, and participated in the 1999 protests. My old apt is in the CHAZ. However, then, we were protesting for the government to FOLLOW the rule of law, rather than abandon us to corporate run globalist institutions. Which is now now Trumps position.
Tidewater , 12 June 2020 at 02:36 PMLet's see how it rolls. Walk softly and carry a big stick. If it go's south, document it and expose it for what it is. Then smack it.
Deap and TTG,
Private property owners are OK with it? 'Morph into equilibrium?'
Do you think business guys who have this happen to them would throw away the opportunity of a lifetime? There are going to be a lot of million dollar lawsuits against the city of Seattle over this, I will bet you. The suits will go on for years, and there will be big settlements. Ever heard of the Stockholm Syndrome?
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Ilana Mercer June 11, 2020On June 9, I tweeted out the following:
"Seattle's East Precinct has fallen, as Police Chief Carmen Best orders Seattle Police to evacuate. The occupiers, aka the 'peaceful protesters,' declare victory. 'They've given us the precinct,' they boast. Not even in South Africa."
A mere day on, and the City of Seattle is de facto occupied territory, fallen to the "peaceful protesters" -- the same counterculture media darlings who've been sacking cities across America.
The rabble -- Black Lives Matter sympathizers, which, as police arrest records show is almost entirely local -- was further roused by Seattle City Council member Kshama Sawant, formerly of Mumbai.
Most reprehensibly, Pied Piper Sawant led the "peace makers" to occupy City Hall in downtown Seattle, on Tuesday, June 10.
The altercation between Council Member Sawant and Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan gives new meaning to the "broad" sweep of ideas in this dysfunctional city. Sawant, a socialist, called on Mayor Durkan, a progressive, to resign over abuse of power (what power?) and systemic racism (a meaningless abstraction). This, as the city was being sacked.
Surrender Monkeys
As of this writing, the Seattle Police has surrendered without defeat.
Seven blocks of downtown Seattle, renamed the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone" (CHAZ), have been appropriated by the Peaceful Ones, with the imprimatur of the mayor and her police chief (Carmen Best aforementioned). Now loosed on the public, these buccaneering entrepreneurs are reported to have set up checkpoints to shake down residents who imagine they may come and go. Not in this satrapy.
On the positive side, Seattle now has that shithole-country vibrancy.
President of the Seattle Police Officers Guild, SPOG, penned an open letter to lunatic Mayor Durkan, pondering how he would fulfill his sworn oath of office to protect lives and property without so much as tear gas.
He got his answer. America did. Across the U.S., the message to law-abiding Americans, from city, town, county council members and other legislators came loud and clear: You're on your own. Neither police nor politicians are coming to protect what's left of your businesses or your banal, bourgeoisie little life.
Last I looked, there were 400,000 "guardian angels" in private security toiling to make up for the South African state's failure to protect its people. Every year, millions in taxpayers' money are forked out to private security firms to protect the new South Africa's police stations. " South Africa's protectors can't protect themselves ." Will Seattle's neutered policemen be investigating this option? It's time for them to cut the shafted taxpayers loose. Let us go private.
When all is said and done, the George Floyd riots are a law-and-order-event. Nothing else matters in the overarching context of a failed state, in which ordered liberty is dead, and the law-abiding are utterly forsaken, even vilified.
Yes, victims are now villains and villains are martyrs. Unbeknown to Nikolas Fernandez, a gainfully employed security guard, the Capitol Hill district of Seattle now belongs to the "peaceful protesters." Fernandez dared to drive down it, only to be mobbed by the barbarians and forced to shoot an attacker possessing of animal-like agility. Legacy media quickly turned the narrative on its head . Fernandez, whose brother is a policeman, had invaded "peaceful protester" turf. His attacker took a bullet for peace. Hero.
Kneeling Ninnies
Next came the national kneeling. Once again, Washington State led the way. On June 1, after hundreds of looters ransacked major shopping malls in Bellevue, including the spectacular Bellevue Square, that city's police chief, Steve Mylett, knelt down like a girl , instead of standing tall like a man for LAW-AND-ORDER.
"That was a scary scene in 'Deliverance,'" someone quipped on Twitter. That was it. There was no stopping the kinky trend.
Soon, Chief Brian Manley of Austin, Texas, broke down in tears for the protesters, not for property owners robbed. Real manly. It's almost as though WASPS get a homo-erotic sexual charge out of prostrating themselves to The Evil Other .
The camera panned out across the country to reveal policemen and guardsmen caving. Against the backdrop of "Mad Max"-like dystopian destruction, men in uniform all collapsed to the pavement s like yogis to the command of their black tormentors. One after another. Here is Santa Cruz Police Chief Andy Mills. KNEELING .
The forces, police and paramilitary, all squatted like sissies. Isn't there some a code of conduct preventing uniforms from groveling ? Police acquit themselves honorably by doing the job ethically. Activism is not in the job description.
In Parker, Colorado, masses assumed the postures of ordination : prostration, lying prone, limbs splayed.
Congressional Democrats, led by Nancy, did the same . Is twerking next? Finally! We have a man in the house! "Georgia State Trooper O'Neal Saddler, black, refused to kneel during a Black Lives Matter protest in Hartwell, saying he only kneels" for God.
And what a hot, decadent mess was this national guard bump-and-grind in Atlanta: men, women, and everything in-between, mostly fat, hips swaying as they give themselves over to Dionysian urges.
Cops can't be responsible for every misstep a feeble-minded protester takes. An elderly geezer, Martin Gugino, in Buffalo, New York, came right up to a cop's face when the latter was on the march. Cop pushed the git to get past him. The geezer was expecting a group hug. Wasn't prepared for a shove. He lost his balance and fell back like a twig. I saw no excess force, except a " get out of my face" shove . But the cops were hung out to dry.
Frey The Faker
ORDER IT NOWAs to Jacob Frey's schtick: His was total grief appropriation. Frey is the mayor of Minneapolis, where George Floyd, in whose honor the global orgy of abreaction and destruction is being carried out, died by cop . Only people who knew an individual can legitimately have a Frey-like grand mal when mourning him. Otherwise, Frey's performance at the casket was farcical, inauthentic; histrionic. The advice of Humphrey Bogart, playing Rick Blaine in "Casablanca" (channeled by Woody Allen in "Play It Again Sam"), should have been considered: "I never saw a dame yet that didn't understand a good slap in the mouth "
The spectacle of mass contagion, where members of the public turn into professional mourners, flocking to funeral happenings for victims they never knew -- this is warped. Grief is not a tribal affair. Communities don't grieve; individuals who incur loss do. These are professional pornographers, not mourners. These phony displays among regular folks are at the root of our festering cultural commons.
As kids, we knew our local policeman by name. He patrolled our neighborhoods regularly and joshed around with us. He lived among us.
Community policing, however, is a thing of the past. Former Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson -- notorious for shooting Michael Brown -- gave a clue as to why. Wilson told The New Yorker that while he didn't want to work in a white area, liked the black community and had fun there -- he had experienced "culture shock."
Wilson described venturing into a "different culture": a "pre-gang culture where you're just running in the streets, not worried about working in the morning, just worried about your immediate gratification." For his candor about an alien culture overtaking America, Wilson was called racist by CNN's Boris Sanchez and Kate Bolduan.
"To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely," said Edmund Burke, in his "Reflections on the Revolution in France" (1790). Darren Wilson's words suggest a variation on Burke's theme: To make cops love the communities they police, the communities they police ought to be lovely.
Burke further reminded us in 1790 that, "To love the little platoon we belong to is the first principle (the germ as it were) of public affections." But what happens when those little platoons are not so little and not so lovely?
A country that is without a modicum of cultural cohesion and is, by D.C. design, comprised of ever-accreting, competing factions -- this kind of country cannot be lovely in the Burkean sense.
In fairness to law-enforcement, communities in America must be damn difficult to police.
Ilana Mercer has been writing a weekly, paleolibertarian column since 1999. She's the author of Into the Cannibal's Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011) & The Trump Revolution: The Donald's Creative Destruction Deconstructed " (June, 2016). She's on Twitter , Facebook & Gab . New on YouTube
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H.Schmatz , Jun 13 2020 22:57 utc | 71
The fact, real or false, that criminal gangs are reported as taking over the "autonomous zones", is a de facto retaking of power by the police, acting as discouraging for the genuine protesters.As you would recall from The Godfather , based on real events in the 40s in the US, mafias and policial/judicial forces are always intertwined in de facto, or in the way , fascist states.
In conveniently censured footage of "The Godfather I", Michael Corleone needs to ask who those people are who are coming holding the banner of the Italian Communist Party and chanting Bandiera Rossa ....he, simply, had never met antifascist people...the least in Italian South...Sicily...the kind he probably was used to met was the kind of Trump and Kushner...
https://twitter.com/JeSuisEspe_/status/1263901143559737344
During the worst time of the pandemic in Italy, and as the lockdown was being extended, some looting started taking place in the South by people who argued not having with which to feed their families...at that point, the mafia tried to take over those municipalities...
Richard Steven Hack , Jun 13 2020 23:21 utc | 73
Posted by: lizard | Jun 13 2020 18:43 utc | 6 I wrote up a brief post this morning about Hakim Bey, the author of TAZ (temporary autonomous zone).I read TAZ back in the day. Interesting stuff. I think he based it on William S. Burroughs, who wrote some speculative stuff in one of his novels as to what might have happened had the "pirate countries" formed by pirates had gained ground and figured out how to avoid being destroyed by regular country military.
There might also be an influence from some of the early hackers and crypto enthusiasts. Also likely a Situationist influence. And of course, the usual Paris Commune history.
And possibly some of the "New Country" stuff various libertarians have tried over the years (all of which have failed.) A guy named Erwin S. Strauss wrote a book on the subject. He also published The Connection which I used to write for back in the Seventies.
The operative word is "temporary". Any attempt to grab a piece of territory from a real state - even one the size of Tonga, which was tried IIRC - is doomed to failure. So whatever is going on by BLM, they have some official support. Otherwise they'd all be dead or in jail.
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lizard , Jun 13 2020 18:43 utc | 6I wrote up a brief post this morning about Hakim Bey, the author of TAZ (temporary autonomous zone). Bey, who's real name s Peter Lamborn Wilson, is an alleged anarchist who likes Moorish culture and pedophilia. too bad the rapper Raz took over the CHAZ inspired by TAZ, otherwise this could have been a great opportunity for oppressed pedophiles who just want to share their love of children.uncle tungsten , Jun 13 2020 19:09 utc | 14
Lizard #6Thank you, that was a mighty interesting story. The pedos just keep rising to the top.
Maybe the CHAZ will be declared a green zone just to add to the craziness.
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Christian J Chuba , Jun 13 2020 19:10 utc | 16
Seattle's Autonomous Zones : ON TopicIt doesn't matter who wins, the Neocons have destroyed my country.
FOX is dying for Trump to send in the military to crush the Rep. of SAZ in order to restore law and order and prevent it from spreading to other cities. It doesn't matter if SAZ is peaceful or not because the country comes first. Does anyone remember what we did to Syria? We were more than happy to fragment and destroy their country.All the evil we have done and are doing to other countries is coming back to us.
1. Covid19 - a small taste of what it's like to live under U.S. sanctions.
2. Rep. of SAZ + Wash. protests - a small taste of what a color revolution tastes like except we inflicted this on ourselves.The only thing left is for the Neocons to get us into a war where thousands of U.S. serviceman die in a short period of time. Not hoping for that because the people who should die will still be rich, well fed, and happy. The least deserving of death will suffer the most; especially the civilians we will murder on the other side of the fence.
jayc , Jun 13 2020 19:11 utc | 17
Much of this CHAZ controversy is a reflection of local Seattle politics. The Capitol Hill district has long nurtured bohemian/alternative viewpoints. Distinct anti-police sentiments date back at least to the 1999 WTO protests, when riot police forced the protesters into Capitol Hill and then tear-gassed and batoned anyone in sight. Fears of an "autonomous zone" are over-hyped, and is certainly serving a "law and order" mindset which works politically for Trump and followers, but it is not a reflection of reality.dh , Jun 13 2020 20:02 utc | 28The association of pedophilia with Peter L Wilson/Hakim Bey is based on interpretations of his writings, and seem to be inveighed by persons who dislike anarchists and anarchism altogether.
I'm curious about how things work in the Autonomous Zone. Do people actually live in the Zone or do they commute daily from the suburbs? Are there any toilets? Who takes the garbage out? What happens if/when there is a serious crime in the Zone?
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