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Due to the size an introduction was converted to a separate page Libertarian Philosophy

Introduction

Mark Curtis said "polyarchy is generally what British leaders mean when they speak of promoting 'democracy' abroad". Similarity, Rule of financial oligarchy is that libertarians actually means when they promote "free market" in the USA.

The term Libertarianism as used in the USA should probably be more properly called Anarcho Capitalism.

Like anarchism it is a natural philosophy of small business owners who are squeezed by banks and landlords and are trying to survive by using cheap labor. In a way, Libertarianism offers its believers a clear conscience to do things society presently restrains. In this case that means the use of wages below subsistence level, unsafe conditions, child labor, etc.

Still because it is a natural philosophy of small business owners it has a wide social base. It is their natural reaction to being squeezing between landlords and banks and attempt to survive by abandoning all ethical restrain in handling the work force. as David M. Kotz noted (Globalization and Neoliberalism)

Small business has remained adamantly opposed to the big, interventionist state, from the Progressive Era through the New Deal down to the present. This division between big and small business is chronicled for the Progressive Era in Weinstein (1968). In the decades immediately following World War II one can observe this division in the divergent views of the Business Roundtable, a big business organization which often supported interventionist programs, and the US Chambers of Commerce, the premier small business organization, which hewed to an antigovernment stance.

What explains this political difference between large and small business? When large corporations achieve significant market power and become freed from fear concerning their immediate survival, they tend to develop a long time horizon and pay attention to the requirements for assuring growing profits over time.9 They come to see the state as a potential ally. Having high and stable monopoly profits, they tend to view the cost of government programs as something they can afford, given their potential benefits. By contrast, the typical small business faces a daily battle for survival, which prevents attention to long-run considerations and which places a premium on avoiding the short-run costs of taxation and state regulation. This explains the radically different positions that big business and small business held regarding the proper state role in the economy for the first two-thirds of the twentieth century.

This long-standing division between big business and small business appeared to vanish in the US starting in the 1970s. Large corporations and banks which had formerly supported foundations that advocated an active government role in the economy, such as the Brookings Institution, became big donors to neoliberal foundations such as the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation. As a result, such right-wing foundations, which previously had to rely mainly on contributions from small business, became very wealthy and influential.10 It was big business's desertion of the political coalition supporting state intervention and its shift to neoliberalism that rebuilt support for neoliberal theories and policies in the US, starting in the 1970s. With business now unified on economic policy, the shift was dramatic. Big grants became available for economics research having a neoliberal slant. The major media shifted their spin on political developments, and the phrase "government programs" now could not be printed except with the word "bloated" before it.

Its central dream of a "freedom of contract", is a wet dream of a small business owner to be able to do business with no government intervention and squeezing everything he can from the labor force in order to survive and expand. In this sense, Libertarian freedom is essentially the freedom to exploit labor. From what I see, the libertarian answer for any problem they face is cheap labor. As  evil tongues say, they will not be happy until they turn the US into Bangladesh.

The central dream of a "freedom of contract", is a wet dream of a small business owner to be able to do business with no government intervention and squeezing everything he can from the labor force in order to survive and expand.

That partially explains political differences between large and small business.  When a large corporation acquire its formidable market power and become freed from fear concerning its immediate survival, they tend to develop a long time horizon and pay attention to the society constrains and externalities that can endanger the growth of their profits over time. And at this point they have political power -- transnational corporations are, for example, dominant political players under neoliberalism. In a sense they see the government as a servant, or, at least, an ally.  Having high and stable monopoly profits, they can afford the cost of government programs and environmental and labor regulations, and they can even reap benefit from them.  While they hate and fight attempts of state to impose controls over them, the state measures for them are not life threatening. They can affect only the rate of profits extracted from a particular country, but extent of this drop can be mitigated by exploiting the corruption of the government and their formidable political power under  neoliberalism (look at Clinton Cash scandal for some interesting details).  They are kings of the neoliberal hill.

By contrast, the typical small and medium business are completely absorbed in the brutal battle for the survival, in which any government  regulations can be the straw that broke the camel back. They just can't and do not want to pay attention to a long-term  consequences of their actions and are concentrated on minimizing the cost of running business, which includes labor cost and taxes. Any measures that increase iether of them are viewed highly negatively.  The same is true for the  state regulations. For them government is the  Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads. This explains the radically different positions that big business and small business held regarding the proper state role in the economy. While big business generally subscribes to neoliberalism, small business predominantly favor Libertarian Philosophy 

Bannonism

Another interesting flavor of  Libertarianism  in the USA is "Bannonism":  the dream about "Christian capitalism" which simultaneously (and in best Ann Rand style) is "enterprenurial capitalism" (which make it a "bastard neoliberalism".  And simultaneously strange mixture of ideas of  Libertarianism and national socialism (alt-right).

A lot of things in Bannonism is self-contradictory.  Breitbart was way too close to the tea party movement. So it is not accidental that Bannon himself self-destruct (of self -immolated) by talking too much to Wolff for his book (and Wolff being a Clinton neoliberal was only too happy to push Bannon under the bus).  The only thing he got right is that New Deal Capitalism required for its existence the existence of the USSR to keep US elite from engaging in cannibalistic  behaviour. After this countervailing force was removed the elite went on the path of self-destruction of the country while enriching themselves at the expense of common people. So the current crisis of neoliberalism in the USA is an indirect side effect (blowback) of the demise of the USSR. Now the neoliberal elite tired artificially recreate the situation that existed during the cold war by fueling anti-russian hysteria. Whether  that can stabilize the neoliberalism in the USA or not remains to be seen.

""I believe we’ve come partly off-track in the years since the fall of the Soviet Union and we’re starting now in the 21st century, which I believe, strongly, is a crisis both of our church, a crisis of our faith, a crisis of the West, a crisis of capitalism."  This Is How Steve Bannon Sees The Entire World

Fist of all its attack on globalization is incompatible with the support of Randism ("entrepreneurial capitalism"), neoliberalism and deregulation at home.  His Ideal the state whoudl be weakened in order to allow entrepreneurial capitalism to florish are pretty unrealistic and dangerous dreams. Essentially that makes him a Trojan horse of neoliberals (despite preaching "bustard neoliberalism" or neoliberalism without globalization)   This Is How Steve Bannon Sees The Entire World

The central thing that binds that all together is a center-right populist movement of really the middle class, the working men and women in the world who are just tired of being dictated to by what we call the party of Davos. A group of kind of — we're not conspiracy-theory guys, but there's certainly — and I could see this when I worked at Goldman Sachs — there are people in New York that feel closer to people in London and in Berlin than they do to people in Kansas and in Colorado, and they have more of this elite mentality that they're going to dictate to everybody how the world's going to be run.

I will tell you that the working men and women of Europe and Asia and the United States and Latin America don't believe that. They believe they know what's best for how they will comport their lives. They think they know best about how to raise their families and how to educate their families. So I think you're seeing a global reaction to centralized government, whether that government is in Beijing or that government is in Washington, DC, or that government is in Brussels. So we are the platform for the voice of that.

Harnwell: I think it’s important to understand the distinction that you’re drawing here between what can be understood as authentic, free-market capitalism as a means of promoting wealth that [unintelligible] involves everybody with a form of crony capitalism which simply benefits a certain class. And we’ve watched over the course of our conference, we’ve watched two video segments produced by the Acton Institute about how development aid is spent internationally and how that can be driven away from — it damages people on the ground but it also perpetuates a governing class. And the point that you’re mentioning here, that I think that you’re saying has driven almost a revolution movement in America, is the same phenomenon of what’s going on in the developing world, which is a concept of government which is no longer doing what it is morally bound to do but has become corrupt and self-serving. So it’s effectively the sa—

Bannon: It’s exactly the same. Currently, if you read The Economist, you read the Financial Times this week, you’ll see there’s a relatively obscure agency in the federal government that is engaged in a huge fight that may lead to a government shutdown. It’s called the Export-Import Bank. And for years, it was a bank that helped finance things that other banks wouldn’t do. And what’s happening over time is that it’s metastasized to be a cheap form of financing to General Electric and to Boeing and to other large corporations. You get this financing from other places if they wanted to, but they’re putting this onto the middle-class taxpayers to support this.

"I’m not an expert in this, but it seems that [right-wing parties] have had some aspects that may be anti-Semitic or racial ... My point is that over time it all gets kind of washed out, right?"

And the tea party is using this as an example of the cronyism. General Electric and these major corporations that are in bed with the federal government are not what we’d consider free-enterprise capitalists. We’re backers of entrepreneurial capitalists. They’re not. They’re what we call corporatist. They want to have more and more monopolistic power and they’re doing that kind of convergence with big government. And so the fight here — and that’s why the media’s been very late to this party — but the fight you’re seeing is between entrepreneur capitalism, and the Acton Institute is a tremendous supporter of, and the people like the corporatists that are closer to the people like we think in Beijing and Moscow than they are to the entrepreneurial capitalist spirit of the United States.

 

Also the notion of "Christian capitalism" (or "neoliberalism with human face")  is just a dream. There is not and there will be never be any "authentic, free-market capitalism as a means of promoting wealth that involves everybody. Forms that he calls "crony capitalism" which simply benefits a certain class are the only one systainable. althouth NewDeal Capilism was probably the most close to his dreams.  This Is How Steve Bannon Sees The Entire World

Benjamin Harnwell, Human Dignity Institute: Thank you, Steve. That was a fascinating, fascinating overview. I am particularly struck by your argument, then, that in fact, capitalism would spread around the world based on the Judeo-Christian foundation is, in fact, something that can create peace through peoples rather than antagonism, which is often a point not sufficiently appreciated. Before I turn behind me to take a question —
 

Bannon: One thing I want to make sure of, if you look at the leaders of capitalism at that time, when capitalism was I believe at its highest flower and spreading its benefits to most of mankind, almost all of those capitalists were strong believers in the Judeo-Christian West. They were either active participants in the Jewish faith, they were active participants in the Christians' faith, and they took their beliefs, and the underpinnings of their beliefs was manifested in the work they did.

And I think that’s incredibly important and something that would really become unmoored. I can see this on Wall Street today — I can see this with the securitization of everything is that, everything is looked at as a securitization opportunity. People are looked at as commodities. I don’t believe that our forefathers had that same belief.

He also does not understand that  far right revolt is the reincarnation of national socialist  ideas (neo-fascism), not so much his Christian capitalism ideas

Bannon: For everybody in your audience, this is one of the most monumental — first off, it’s the biggest election upset in the history of the American republic. Eric Cantor was the House majority leader and raised $10 million. He spent, between himself and outside groups, $8 million to hold a congressional district. He ran against a professor who was an evangelical Christian and a libertarian economist. He ran against a professor who raised in total $175,000. In fact, the bills from Eric Cantor’s campaign at a elite steak house in Washington, DC, was over $200,000. So they spent more than $200,000 over the course of the campaign wining and dining fat cats at a steak house in Washington than the entire opposition had to run.

Now, Eric Cantor, it was a landslide. He lost 57–43, and not one — outside of Breitbart, we covered this for six months, day in and day out — not one news site — not Fox News, not Politico, no sites picked this up. And the reason that this guy won is quite simple: Middle-class people and working-class people are tired of people like Eric Cantor who say they’re conservative selling out their interests every day to crony capitalists.

"That center-right revolt is really a global revolt. I think you’re going to see it in Latin America, I think you’re going to see it in Asia, I think you’ve already seen it in India."

And you’re seeing that whether that was UKIP and Nigel Farage in the United Kingdom, whether it’s these groups in the Low Countries in Europe, whether it’s in France, there’s a new tea party in Germany. The theme is all the same. And the theme is middle-class and working-class people — they’re saying, “Hey, I’m working harder than I’ve ever worked. I’m getting less benefits than I’m ever getting through this, I’m incurring less wealth myself, and I’m seeing a system of fat cats who say they’re conservative and say they back capitalist principles, but all they’re doing is binding with corporatists." Right? Corporatists, to garner all the benefits for themselves.
 

And that center-right revolt is really a global revolt. I think you’re going to see it in Latin America, I think you’re going to see it in Asia, I think you’ve already seen it in India. Modi's great victory was very much based on these Reaganesque principles, so I think this is a global revolt, and we are very fortunate and proud to be the news site that is reporting that throughout the world.

See also Bannon Versus Trump - The New York Times


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[Jun 24, 2020] Behind the veil of the protest movement, the war on the American people is gaining pace by Mike Whitney

Notable quotes:
"... It's because the Democrats think that kowtowing to BLM will give them the winning edge in the November balloting. That's what it's all about. That's why they draped themselves in Kente cloth and knelt for the cameras. They think their black constituents are too stupid to see through their groveling fakery. They think that blacks will forget that Joe Biden pushed through legislation "which eliminated parole for federal prisoners and limited the amount of time sentences could be reduced for good behavior." ..."
"... The stupidity of the Dems was shown this week when they agreed to three Biden/Trump debates. They should leave him in his basement and hope for the best. They feature political ads where Biden slurs his speech! These are professionals, so it tells me they spent all day and did 40 takes and this was the best he could do. The election will be great comedy, or perhaps ..."
"... Clinton is the best evidence that certain people agree to be blackmailed in exchange for power, as Andrew Anglin wrote this week. ..."
Jun 24, 2020 | www.unz.com

"This is not a momentary civil disturbance. This is a serious, and highly organized political movement It is deep and profound and has vast political ambitions. It is insidious, it will grow. It's goal is to end liberal democracy and challenge western civilization itself. This is an ideological movement Even now, many of us pretend this is about police brutality. We think we can fix it by regulating chokeholds or spending more on de-escalation training. We're too literal and good-hearted to understand what's happening. But we have no idea what we are up against. ..These are not protests. This is a totalitarian political movement and someone needs to save the country from it." Tucker Carlson

Tucker Carlson is right, the protests and riots are not a momentary civil disturbance. They are an attack the Constitutional Republic itself, the heart and soul of American democracy. The Black Lives Matter protests are just the tip of the spear, they are an expression of public outrage that is guaranteed under the first amendment. But don't be deceived, there's more here than meets the eye. BLM is funded by foundations that seek to overthrow our present form of government and install an authoritarian regime guided by technocrats, oligarchs and corporatists all of who believe that Chinese-type despotism is far-more compatible with capitalism than "inefficient" democracy. The chaos in the streets is merely the beginning of an excruciating transition from one system to another. This is an excerpt from an article by F. William Engdahl at Global Research:

"By 2016, Black Lives Matter had established itself as a well-organized network .. That year the Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy announced the formation of the Black-Led Movement Fund (BLMF), "a six-year pooled donor campaign aimed at raising $100 million for the Movement for Black Lives coalition" in which BLM was a central part. By then Soros foundations had already given some $33 million in grants to the Black Lives Matter movement .. ..

The BLMF identified itself as being created by top foundations including in addition to the Ford Foundation, the Kellogg Foundation and the Soros Open Society Foundations." ( "America's Own Color Revolution ", Global Research)

$100 million is alot of money. How has that funding helped BLM expand its presence in politics and social media? How many activists and paid employees operate within the network disseminating information, building new chapters, hosting community outreach programs, and fine-tuning an emergency notification system that allows them to put tens of thousands of activists on the streets in cities across the country at a moment's notice? Isn't that what we've seen for the last three weeks, throngs of angry protestors swarming in more than 400 cities across America all at the beck-and-call of a shadowy group whose political intentions are still not clear?

And what about the rioting, looting and arson that broke out in numerous cities following the protests? Was that part of the script too? Why haven't BLM leaders condemned the destruction of private property or offered a public apology for the downtown areas that have been turned into wastelands? In my own hometown of Seattle, the downtown corridor– which once featured Nordstrom, Pottery Barn and other upscale retail shops– is now a checkerboard of broken glass, plywood covers and empty streets all covered in a thick layer of garish spray-paint. The protest leaders said they wanted to draw attention to racial injustice and police brutality. Okay, but how does looting Nordstrom help to achieve that goal?

And what role have the Democrats played in protest movement?

They've been overwhelmingly supportive, that's for sure. In fact, I can't think of even one Democrat who's mentioned the violence, the looting or the toppling of statues. Why is that?

It's because the Democrats think that kowtowing to BLM will give them the winning edge in the November balloting. That's what it's all about. That's why they draped themselves in Kente cloth and knelt for the cameras. They think their black constituents are too stupid to see through their groveling fakery. They think that blacks will forget that Joe Biden pushed through legislation "which eliminated parole for federal prisoners and limited the amount of time sentences could be reduced for good behavior."

According to the Black Agenda Repor t: "Biden and (South Carolina's Strom) Thurmond joined hands to push 1986 and 1988 drug enforcement legislation that created the nefarious sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine as well as other draconian measures that implicate him as one of the initiators of what became mass incarceration. " Biden also spearheaded "the attacks on Anita Hill when she came forward to testify against the supreme court nominee Clarence Thomas". All told, Biden's record on race is much worse than Trump's despite the media's pathetic attempts to portray Trump as Adolph Hitler. It's just more bunkum from the dissembling media.

Bottom line: The Democrats think they can ride racial division and social unrest all the way to the White House. That's what they are betting on.

So, yes, the Dems are exploiting the protests for political advantage, but it goes much deeper than that. After all, we know from evidence that was uncovered during the Russiagate investigation, that DNC leaders are intimately linked to the Intel agencies, law enforcement (FBI), and the elite media. So it's not too much of a stretch to assume that these deep state agents and assets work together to shape the narrative that they think gives them the best chance of regaining power. Because, that's what this is really all about, power. Just as Russiagate was about power (removing the president using disinformation, spies, surveillance and other skulduggery.), and just as the Covid-19 fiasco was essentially about power (collapsing the economy while imposing medical martial law on the population.), so too, the BLM protest movement is also about power, the power to inflict massive damage on the country's main urban centers with the intention of destabilizing the government, restructuring the economy and paving the way for a Democratic victory in November. It's all about power, real, unalloyed political muscle.

Surprisingly, one of the best critiques of what is currently transpiring was written by Niles Niemuth at the World Socialist Web Site. Here's what he said about the widespread toppling of statues:

"The attacks on the monuments were pioneered by the increasingly frenzied attempt by the Democratic Party and the New York Times to racialize American history, to create a narrative in which the history of mankind is reduced to the history of racial struggle. This campaign has produced a pollution of democratic consciousness, which meshes entirely with the reactionary political interests driving it.

It is worth noting that the one institution seemingly immune from this purge is the Democratic Party, which served as the political wing of the Confederacy and, subsequently, the KKK.

This filthy historical legacy is matched only by the Democratic Party's contemporary record in supporting wars that, as a matter of fact, primarily targeted nonwhites. Democrats supported the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and under Obama destroyed Libya and Syria. The New York Times was a leading champion and propagandist for all of these war." ( "Hands off the monuments to Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Grant!, WSWS)

What the author is referring to is The 1619 Project, which is a racialized version of American history that was published by the Times on August 19, 2019. The deliberately-distorted version of history was cobbled together in anticipation of increasing social unrest and racial antagonism. The rioting, looting and vast destruction of America's urban core can all be traced back to a document that postulates that the country was founded on racial hatred and exploitation. In other words, The 1619 Project provides the perfect ideological justification for the chaos and violence that has torn the country apart for the last three weeks. This is an excerpt from an article at the World Socialist Web Site:

"The essays featured in the magazine are organized around the central premise that all of American history is rooted in race hatred -- specifically, the uncontrollable hatred of "black people" by "white people." Hannah-Jones writes in the series' introduction: "Anti-black racism runs in the very DNA of this country. "

This is a false and dangerous conception. DNA is a chemical molecule that contains the genetic code of living organisms and determines their physical characteristics and development . Hannah-Jones's reference to DNA is part of a growing tendency to derive racial antagonisms from innate biological processes .where does this racism come from? It is embedded, claims Hannah-Jones, in the historical DNA of American "white people." Thus, it must persist independently of any change in political or economic conditions .

. No doubt, the authors of The Project 1619 essays would deny that they are predicting race war, let alone justifying fascism. But ideas have a logic; and authors bear responsibility for the political conclusions and consequences of their false and misguided arguments." ("The New York Times's 1619 Project: A racialist falsification of American and world history", World Socialist Web Site)

Keep in mind, this essay in the WSWS was written a full year before BLM protests broke out across the country. Was Hannah-Jones enlisted to create a document that would provide the dry tinder for the massive and coordinated demonstrations that have left the country stunned and divided?

Probably, after all, (as noted above) the author's theory is that one race is genetically programed to exploit the other. ( "Anti-black racism runs in the very DNA of this country. ") Well, if we assume that whites are genetically and irreversibly "racist", then we must also assume that the country that these whites founded is racist and evil. Thus, the only logical remedy for this situation, is to crush the white segment of the population, destroy their symbols, icons, and history, and replace the system of government with one that better reflects the values of the emerging non-Caucasian majority. Simply put, The Project 1619 creates the rationale for sustained civil unrest, deepening political polarization and violent revolution.

The 1619 Project is a calculated provocation meant to exacerbate racial animosities and pave the way to open conflagration. And it has succeeded beyond anyone's wildest imagination. The nation is split into warring camps while Washington has devolved into fratricidal warfare. Was that the objective, to destabilize the country in preparation for the dissolution of the current system followed by a fundamental restructuring of the government consistent with the identity politics lauded by the Democrats?

The Democrats, the Intel agencies and the media are all in bed together fomenting unrest with the intention of decimating the economy, crushing the emerging opposition and imposing their despotic one-party system on all of us. Here's a clip from a piece by Paul Craig Roberts that sums up the role of the New York Times in inciting race-based violence:

"The New York Times editorial board covers up the known indisputable truth with their anti-white "1619 project," an indoctrination program to inculcate hatred of white people in blacks and guilt in white people.

Why does the New York Times lie, brainwash blacks into hatred of whites, and attempt to brainwash whites into guilt for the creation of a New World labor force four centuries ago? Why do Americans tolerate the New York Times fomenting of racial hatred in a multicultural society?

The New York Times is a vile organization. The New York Times attempts to discredit the President of the United States and did all it could to frame him on false charges. The New York Times painted General Flynn, who honorably served the US, as a Russian agent and enabled General Flynn's frame-up on false and now dropped charges. The New York Times spews hatred of white people. And now the New York Times accuses the American military of celebrating white supremacism.

Does America have a worse enemy than the New York Times? The New York Times is clearly and intentionally making a multicultural America impossible . By threatening white people with the prospect of hate-driven racial violence, the New York Times editorial board is fomenting the rise of white supremacy." ( "The New York Times Editorial Board Is a Threat to Multicultural America ", The Unz Review)

The editors of the Times don't hate whites, they are merely attacking the growing number of disillusioned white working people who have left the Democratic party in frustration due to their globalist policies regarding trade, immigration, offshoring, outsourcing and the relentless hollowing out of the nation's industrial core . The Dems have abandoned these people altogether and –now that they realize they will never be able to lure them back into their camp– they've decided to wage a full-blown, scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners war on them. They've decided to crush them mercilessly and fill their ranks with multi-ethnic, bi-racial groups that will work for pennies on the dollar. (which will keep the Dems corporate supporters happy.) So, no, the Times does not hate white people. What they hate is the growing populist movement that derailed Hillary Clinton and put anti-globalist Trump in the White House. That's the real target of this operation, the disillusioned throng of working people who have washed their hands of the Democrats for good. Here's more background from Paul Craig Roberts:

"On August 12 Dean Baquet, executive editor of the New York Times, met with the Times' employees to refocus the Times' attack on Trump . The Times, Baquet said, is shifting from Trump-Russia to Trump's racism. The Times will spend the run-up to the 2020 presidential election building the Trump-is-a-racist narrative. Of course, if Trump is a racist it means that the people who elected him are also racists. Indeed, in Baquet's view, Americans have always been racist. To establish this narrative, the New York Times has launched the "1619 Project," the purpose of which is "to reframe the country's history."

According to the Washington Examiner, "The basic thrust of the 1619 Project is that everything in American history is explained by slavery and race. The message is woven throughout the first publication of the project, an entire edition of the Times magazine. It begins with an overview of race in America -- 'Our democracy's founding ideals were false when they were written. Black Americans have fought to make them true.'

The premise that America originated as a racist slave state is to be woven into all sections of the Times -- news, business, sports, travel, the entire newspaper. The project intends to take the "reframing" of the United States into the schools where white Americans are to be taught that they are racist descendants of slave holders. A participant in this brainwashing of whites, which will make whites guilty and defenseless, says "this project takes wing when young people are able to read this and understand the way that slavery has shaped their country's history." In other words, the New York Times intends to make slavery the ONLY explanation of America.

At the meeting of the executive editor of the New York Times with the Times' employees to refocus the Times' attack on President Trump, Baquet said: "Race in the next year is going to be a huge part of the American story." ( "Is White Genocide Possible? ", The Unz Review)

Repeat: "Race in the next year is going to be a huge part of the American story." Either Baquet has a crystal ball or he had a pretty good idea of the way in which the 1619 Project was going to be used . I suspect it was the latter.

For the last 3 and a half years, Democrats and the media have ridiculed anyone who opposes their globalist policies as racist, fascist, misogynist, homophobic, Bible-thumping, gun-toting, flag-waving, Nascar boosting, white nationalist "deplorables". Now they have decided to intensify the assault on mainly white working people by preemptively destroying the economy, destabilizing the country, and spreading terror far and wide. It's another vicious psy-ops campaign designed to thoroughly demoralize and humiliate the enemy who just happen to be the American people. Here's more form the WSWS:

" It is no coincidence that the promotion of this racial narrative of American history by the Times, the mouthpiece of the Democratic Party and the privileged upper-middle-class layers it represents, comes amid the growth of class struggle in the US and around the world.

The 1619 Project is one component of a deliberate effort to inject racial politics into the heart of the 2020 elections and foment divisions among the working class. The Democrats think it will be beneficial to shift their focus for the time being from the reactionary, militarist anti-Russia campaign to equally reactionary racial politics." (" The New York Times's 1619 Project: A racialist falsification of American and world history " WSWS)

Can you see how the protests are being used to promote the political objectives of elites operating behind the mask of "impartial" reporting? The scheming NY Times has replaced the enlightenment principles articulated in our founding documents with a sordid tale of racial hatred and oppression. The editors seek to eliminate everything we believe as Americans so they can brainwash us into believing that we are evil people deserving of humiliation, repudiation and punishment. Here's more from the same article:

"In the months preceding these events, the New York Times, speaking for dominant sections of the Democratic political establishment, launched an effort to discredit both the American Revolution and the Civil War. In the New York Times' 1619 Project, the American Revolution was presented as a war to defend slavery, and Abraham Lincoln was cast as a garden variety racist

The attacks on the monuments to these men were pioneered by the increasingly frenzied attempt by the Democratic Party and the New York Times to racialize American history, to create a narrative in which the history of mankind is reduced to the history of racial struggle . This campaign has produced a pollution of democratic consciousness, which meshes entirely with the reactionary political interests driving it." (" The New York Times's 1619 Project: A racialist falsification of American and world history" , WSWS)

Ideas have consequences, and the incendiary version of events disseminated by the Times has added fuel to a fire that's spread from one coast to the other. Given the damage that has been done to cities across the country, it would be nice to know how Dean Baquet knew that "race was going to play a huge part" in upcoming events? It's all very suspicious. Here's more:

" Given the 1619 Project's black nationalist narrative, it may appear surprising that nowhere in the issue do the names Malcolm X or Black Panthers appear. Unlike the black nationalists of the 1960s, Hannah-Jones does not condemn American imperialism. She boasts that "we [i.e. African-Americans] are the most likely of all racial groups to serve in the United States military," and celebrates the fact that "we" have fought "in every war this nation has waged." Hannah-Jones does not note this fact in a manner that is at all critical. She does not condemn the creation of a "volunteer" army whose recruiters prey on poverty-stricken minority youth. There is no indication that Hannah-Jones opposes the "War on Terror" and the brutal interventions in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Syria -- all supported by the Times -- that have killed and made homeless upwards of 20 million people. On this issue, Hannah-Jones is remarkably "color-blind." She is unaware of, or simply indifferent to, the millions of "people of color" butchered and made refugees by the American war machine in the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa." (" The New York Times's 1619 Project: A racialist falsification of American and world histor y", WSWS)

So, black nationalists like Malcolm X and the Black Panthers are excluded from the The 1619 Project's narrative, but the author boasts that blacks "are the most likely of all racial groups to serve in the US military"?? How does that happen unless Hannah-Jones was coached by Democrat leaders about who should and shouldn't be included in the text? None of this passes the smell test. It all suggests that the storyline was shaped by people who had a specific goal in mind. That isn't history, it's fiction written by people who have an ax to grind. The Times even admitted as much in response to the blistering criticism by five of "the most widely read and respected authorities on US history." The New York Times Magazine editor in chief Jake Silverstein rejected the historians' objections saying:

"The project was intended to address the marginalization of African-American history in the telling of our national story and examine the legacy of slavery in contemporary American life. We are not ourselves historians, it is true. We are journalists, trained to look at current events and situations and ask the question: Why is this the way it is?"

WTF! "We are not ourselves historians"? That's the excuse?? Give me a break!

The truth is that there was never any attempt to provide an accurate account of events. From the very onset, the goal was to create a storyline that fit the politics, the politics of provocation, incitement, racial hatred, social unrest and violence. That's what the Times and their allies wanted, and that's what they got.

The Deep State Axis: CIA, DNC, NYT

The three-way alliance between the CIA, the Elite Media, and the Democratic leadership has clearly strengthened and grown since the failed Russiagate fiasco. All three parties were likely involved in the maniacal hyping of the faux-Covid pandemic which paved the way for Depression era unemployment, tens of thousands of bankrupt businesses and a sizable portion of the US population thrust into destitution. Now, these deep state loyalists are promoting a "falsified" race-based version of history that pits one group against the other while diverting attention from the deliberate destruction of the economy and the further consolidation of wealth in the hands of the 1 percent.

Behind the veil of the protest movement, the war on the American people is gaining pace.


SteveK9 , says: Show Comment June 24, 2020 at 2:02 am GMT

Stopped reading the Times after the buildup to the Iraq War, when it was clear they were lying. Everyone please stop reading the Times, and in particular stop referring to what they are writing. Act like they don't exist. If enough do, they won't.
FB , says: Website Show Comment June 24, 2020 at 4:22 am GMT
Stopped reading when I got to 'Chinese despotism'

Whitney used to have something to say, but his scribblings now go straight to the bottom of the bird cage

Carlton Meyer , says: Website Show Comment June 24, 2020 at 4:22 am GMT
The stupidity of the Dems was shown this week when they agreed to three Biden/Trump debates. They should leave him in his basement and hope for the best. They feature political ads where Biden slurs his speech! These are professionals, so it tells me they spent all day and did 40 takes and this was the best he could do. The election will be great comedy, or perhaps

This is all planned. Biden will be forced to drop out and Bloomberg or even Clinton will arise.

vot tak , says: Show Comment June 24, 2020 at 4:30 am GMT
"Tucker Carlson is right, the protests and riots are not a momentary civil disturbance. They are an attack the Constitutional Republic itself, the heart and soul of American democracy."

I am reminded of david horowitz and chrissy hitchens

And how they promoted Israeli interests after first pretending to be independent thinkers to gain creed for the switch. Standard zionazi-gay psywar tactic.

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 24, 2020 at 4:42 am GMT
@Carlton Meyer

The stupidity of the Dems was shown this week when they agreed to three Biden/Trump debates.

This is all planned. Biden will be forced to drop out and Bloomberg or even Clinton will arise.

Stupid and planned?

Clinton is the best evidence that certain people agree to be blackmailed in exchange for power, as Andrew Anglin wrote this week. Why should DNC care if Trump is 're-elected'? And if they don't care, who not take a stab at installing an intersectional DNC pinnacle fraudster via the griftiest, most insulting, infuriating way possible? They can't lose.

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It is difficult to find anything good to say about Donald Trump, but the reality is that he has not started any new wars, though he has come dangerously close in the cases of Venezuela and Iran and there would be considerable incentive in the next four months to begin something to bolster his "strong president" credentials and to serve as a distraction from coronavirus and black lives matter.

Be that as it may, Trump will have to run hard to catch up to the record set by his three predecessors Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Bush was an out-and-out neoconservative, or at least someone who was easily led, including in his administration Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Michael Ledeen, Reuel Gerecht, Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, Eliot Abrams, Dan Senor and Scooter Libby. He also had the misfortune of having to endure Vice President Dick Cheney, who thought he was actually the man in charge. All were hawks who believed that the United States had the right to do whatever it considered necessary to enhance its own security, to include invading other countries, which led to Afghanistan and Iraq, where the U.S. still has forces stationed nearly twenty years later.

Clinton and Obama were so-called liberal interventionists who sought to export something called democracy to other countries in an attempt to make them more like Peoria. Clinton bombed Afghanistan and Sudan as a diversion when the press somehow caught wind of his arrangement with Monica Lewinsky and Obama, aided by Mrs. Clinton, chose to destroy Libya. Obama was also the first president to set up a regular Tuesday morning session to review a list of American citizens who would benefit from being killed by drone.

So the difference between neocons and liberal interventionists is one of style rather than substance. And, by either yardstick all-in-all, Trump looks pretty good, but there has nevertheless been a resurgence of neocon-think in his administration. The America the exceptional mindset is best exemplified currently by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who personifies the belief that the United States is empowered by God to play only by its own rules when dealing with other nations. That would include following the advice that has been attributed to leading neocon Michael Ledeen, " Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business. "

One of the first families within the neocon/liberal interventionist firmament is the Kagans, Robert and Frederick. Frederick is a Senior Fellow at the neocon American Enterprise Institute and his wife Kimberly heads the bizarrely named Institute for the Study of War. Victoria Nuland, wife of Robert, is currently the Senior Counselor at the Albright Stonebridge Group and a Nonresident Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution. That means that Victoria aligns primarily as a liberal interventionist, as does her husband, who is also at Brookings. She is regarded as a protégé of Hillary Clinton and currently works with former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who once declared that killing 500,000 Iraqi children using sanctions was "worth it." Nuland also has significant neocon connections through her having been a member of the staff assembled by Dick Cheney.

Nuland, many will recall, was the driving force behind efforts to destabilize the Ukrainian government of President Viktor Yanukovych in 2013-2014. Yanukovych, an admittedly corrupt autocrat, nevertheless became Prime Minister after a free election. Nuland, who was the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the State Department, provided open support to the Maidan Square demonstrators opposed to Yanukovych's government, to include media friendly appearances passing out cookies on the square to encourage the protesters.

Nuland openly sought regime change for Ukraine by brazenly supporting government opponents in spite of the fact that Washington and Kiev had ostensibly friendly relations. It is hard to imagine that any U.S. administration would tolerate a similar attempt by a foreign nation to interfere in U.S. domestic politics, particularly if it were backed by a $5 billion budget , but Washington has long believed in a global double standard for evaluating its own behavior.

Nuland is most famous for her foul language when referring to the potential European role in managing the unrest that she and the National Endowment for Democracy had helped create in Ukraine. For Nuland, the replacement of the government in Kiev was only the prelude to a sharp break and escalating conflict with the real enemy, Moscow, over Russia's attempts to protect its own interests in Ukraine, most particularly in Crimea.

And make no mistake about Nuland's broader intention at that time to expand the conflict and directly confront Russia. In Senate testimony she cited how the administration was "providing support to other frontline states like Moldova and Georgia." Her use of the word "frontline" is suggestive.

Victoria Nuland was playing with fire. Russia, as the only nation with the military capability to destroy the U.S., was and is not a sideshow like Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Taliban's Afghanistan. Backing Moscow into a corner with no way out by using threats and sanctions is not good policy. Washington has many excellent reasons to maintain a stable relationship with Moscow, including counter-terrorism efforts, and little to gain from moving in the opposite direction. Russia is not about to reconstitute the Warsaw Pact and there is no compelling reason to return to a Cold War footing by either arming Ukraine or permitting it to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

Victoria Nuland has just written a long article for July/August issue of Foreign Affairs magazine on the proper way for the United States manage what she sees as the Russian "threat." It is entitled "How a Confident America Should Deal With Russia." Foreign Affairs , it should be observed, is an establishment house organ produced by the Council on Foreign Relations which provides a comfortable perch for both neocons and liberal interventionists.

Nuland's view is that the United States lost confidence in its own "ability to change the game" against Vladimir Putin, who has been able to play "a weak hand well because the United States and its allies have let him, allowing Russia to violate arms control treaties, international law, the sovereignty of its neighbors, and the integrity of elections in the United States and Europe Washington and its allies have forgotten the statecraft that won the Cold War and continued to yield results for many years after. That strategy required consistent U.S. leadership at the presidential level, unity with democratic allies and partners, and a shared resolve to deter and roll back dangerous behavior by the Kremlin. It also included incentives for Moscow to cooperate and, at times, direct appeals to the Russian people about the benefits of a better relationship. Yet that approach has fallen into disuse, even as Russia's threat to the liberal world has grown."

What Nuland writes would make perfect sense if one were to share her perception of Russia as a rogue state threatening the "liberal world." She sees Russian rearmament under Putin as a threat even though it was dwarfed by the spending of NATO and the U.S. She shares her fear that Putin might seek " reestablishing a Russian sphere of influence in eastern Europe and from vetoing the security arrangements of his neighbors. Here, a chasm soon opened between liberal democracies and the still very Soviet man leading Russia, especially on the subject of NATO enlargement. No matter how hard Washington and its allies tried to persuade Moscow that NATO was a purely defensive alliance that posed no threat to Russia, it continued to serve Putin's agenda to see Europe in zero-sum terms."

Nuland's view of NATO enlargement is so wide of the mark that it borders on being a fantasy. Of course, Russia would consider a military alliance on its doorstep to be a threat, particularly as a U.S. Administration had provided assurances that expansion would not take place. She goes on to suggest utter nonsense, that Putin's great fear over the NATO expansion derives from his having " always understood that a belt of increasingly democratic, prosperous states around Russia would pose a direct challenge to his leadership model and risk re-infecting his own people with democratic aspirations."

Nuland goes on and on in a similar vein, but her central theme is that Russia must be confronted to deter Vladimir Putin, a man that she clearly hates and depicts as if he were a comic book version of evil. Some of her analysis is ridiculous, as "Russian troops regularly test the few U.S. forces left in Syria to try to gain access to the country's oil fields and smuggling routes. If these U.S. troops left, nothing would prevent Moscow and Tehran from financing their operations with Syrian oil or smuggled drugs and weapons."

Like most zealots, Nuland is notably lacking in any sense of self-criticism. She conspired to overthrow a legitimately elected democratic government in Ukraine because it was considered too friendly to Russia. She accuses the Kremlin of having "seized" Crimea, but fails to see the heavy footprint of the U.S. military in Afghanistan and Iraq and as a regional enabler of Israeli and Saudi war crimes. One wonders if she is aware that Russia, which she sees as expansionistic, has only one overseas military base while the United States has more than a thousand.

Nuland clearly chooses not to notice the White House's threats against countries that do not toe the American line, most recently Iran and Venezuela, but increasingly also China on top of perennial enemy Russia. None of those nations threaten the United States and all the kinetic activity and warnings are forthcoming from a gentleman named Mike Pompeo, speaking from Washington, not from "undemocratic" leaders in the Kremlin, Tehran, Caracas or Beijing.

Victoria Nuland recommends that "The challenge for the United States in 2021 will be to lead the democracies of the world in crafting a more effective approach to Russia -- one that builds on their strengths and puts stress on Putin where he is vulnerable, including among his own citizens." Interestingly, that might be regarded as seeking to interfere in the workings of a foreign government, reminiscent of the phony case made against Russia in 2016. And it is precisely what Nuland did in fact do in Ukraine.

Nuland has a lot more to say in her article and those who are interested in the current state of interventionism in Washington should not ignore her. Confronting Russia as some kind of ideological enemy is a never-ending process that leaves both sides poorer and less free. It is appropriate for Moscow to have an interest in what goes on right on top of its border while the United States five thousand miles away and possessing both a vastly larger economy and armed forces can, one would think, relax a bit and unload the burden of being the world's self-appointed policeman.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is https://councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is inform@cnionline.org .


Carlton Meyer , says: Website Show Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:18 am GMT

This is a great overview, but Americans cannot understand these truths after hours of constant propaganda in our media. For example, Hillary Clinton and President Obama destroyed and looted Africa's most prosperous nation in 2011 that resulted in tens of thousands of deaths of innocents. This is not in dispute, it is just ignored despite daily stories about the chaos in Libya. Imagine if Black Lives Matters dared protest against this destruction and looting of Africa's wealthiest nation and demanded that Clinton and Obama be arrested for war crimes.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/n5Lh4HUyudk?feature=oembed

Zarathustra , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:45 am GMT
Fact is that many leaders in history did solve the inside problems of their country by outside war.
There is certainly a bit of elevated temperature.
anon [437] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:47 am GMT
Thank you for another great article.

but
there is one thing

You wrote:

" It is hard to imagine that any U.S. administration would tolerate a similar attempt by a foreign nation to interfere in U.S. domestic politics, particularly if it were backed by a $5 billion budget, "

As you yourself have pointed out, more than once, in fact, there actually is a foreign country which, more than, interferes in U.S. domestic policy, some would estimate, effectively controls it, and foreign policy, as well.

While it would a bit of an effort to monetize the full amount spent on this effort, I personally would not be a bit surprised if it were significantly larger than $5 billion, and despite that, one could imagine, quite a bargain in terms of their ROI; it could in fact be considerably less than the overt transfer of sovereign U.S. wealth to that foreign government every year.

The past administrations, either every one, or almost every one, going back as far as Truman, certainly , but the trend was already well established during the puppet presidency of Woodrow Wilson.

I'd love to read your rejoinder.

onetribe
being blocked incorrectly from using my usual handle

Ultrafart the Brave , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:56 am GMT
@Carlton Meyer

Imagine if Black Lives Matters dared protest against this destruction and looting of Africa's wealthiest nation and demanded that Clinton and Obama be arrested for war crimes.

An admirable sentiment, except that the BLM movement appears to be little more than a vehicle for staged chaos nurtured behind the scenes by more war criminals with a hidden agenda.

And more's the pity, because there are hordes of high-ranking war criminals in the Exceptional Nation that richly deserve burning at the stake. In the Libyan context, Muammar Gaddafi was not only a great leader but also a good man, who was doing great things not only for his own people but also for the community of African nations.

If you're going to have a dictator, make sure you get a good one. Gaddafi was a good one.

Trump not so much, but Clinton was and is horrifically evil.

Alfred , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:05 am GMT
The war against Russia has been going on for centuries. Nothing upsets these nutters more than the Russians insulating themselves from the mental virus that has proliferated in the West.

Just read the sour grapes of the usual suspects in this derogatory article. Similar in tone to the nonsense at the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014. Nothing amuses me more than to watch them vomiting on themselves in frustration.

Moscow, low-key consecration of Victory Cathedral; Catholics denied another church

Anon [233] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:06 am GMT
Nuland's views are, as stated in the article, dangerous fantasy-one could almost accuse her of having psychopathic voices in her head with respect to russia and putin.

It is indeed remarkable in a very bad way that this woman was close to the top level in state under obama but we can surely see her handiwork in the devastation of the ukraine nation.

Biff , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:13 am GMT
@Carlton Meyer

Imagine if Black Lives Matters dared protest against this destruction and looting of Africa's wealthiest nation and demanded that Clinton and Obama be arrested for war crimes.

My imagination:
An agitator is planted inside BLM, and is armed and equipped to carry out a terrorist attack on the American people as false flag event – blows up a weight-watchers convention, next to a Wal-mart, and puts a half-a-dozen fat bodies into orbit circling the globe(celestial bodies). After said attack BLM is defunded, and disbanded(but the race war continues).

Chris Moore , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:34 am GMT
You forgot to mention that virtually all of the neocon/liberal interventionist "intellectuals"on your list identify as Jewish, which means they see themselves as having Hebrew backgrounds, which not only gives them an Israel First/Zionist orientation, but which means their hatred of "anti-Semitic" Russia is pathological and ancestral, which means their hatred of "anti-Semitic" Europeans is pathological and ancestral, which means their hatred of "anti-Semitic" white people is pathological and ancestral, which means their desire for nuclear war between whites is pathological and ancestral, which means they believe they can win a nuclear war (perhaps by sheltering in bunker state Israel) and emerge as the anointed "chosen" intellectual priest class of the world

So there is a kind of internal logic or rationalism to their insanity, in the same way that any insular, imperious elite suffering from megalomania and delusions of grandeur can develop internal, echo chamber "logic" that is (objectively) insane. The difference is, their insane "logic" is additionally sanctioned by their particular God or their particular History or their version of God/History.

Hence, with this cult, we not only get insular, echo-chamber imperialism, but we additionally get quasi-religious, messianic fanaticism that will view any nuclear war as pre-ordained fate in service of delivering the Chosen Ones to the world.

And half of America thinks Trump is nuts? It should look at the "intellectual Jews" it's so desperate to consign its fate to.

ThreeCranes , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:35 am GMT
Posturing. What else can this be, coming from the lips of a Jewish woman? It all just sounds so ridiculous. What authority does she have? Only the threat of force, reckless force dispensed with abandon. That's not authority. It's insanity.
Mr. Hack , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:35 am GMT
Another critique of US foreign policy regarding Russia, all referenced under the famous "cookies and milk" response of Ms. Nuland in Kyiv. Lucky for Russia that she wasn't doling out scoops of ice cream instead?

For Nuland, the replacement of the government in Kiev was only the prelude to a sharp break and escalating conflict with the real enemy, Moscow, over Russia's attempts to protect its own interests in Ukraine, most particularly in Crimea.

I applaud the US response of supporting Ukraine's aspirations for a freer more Western oriented country and that it continues to support Ukraine's territorial interests over those of Russia's. It's time for the Giraldis and Cohens of the world to shed their Russian fig leaf covering and be exposed as the gutless appeasers that they really are.

Mustapha Mond , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:41 am GMT
Victoria Nuland (her family name formerly Nudelman) and her blood-thirsty, thieving zionist neocon buddies would love nothing more than to tear Russia apart and finish the rape and plunder of that country first begun under Russia's 'reformer' president, the idiot Yeltsin, wherein mostly jewish Russian and American oligarchs systematically stole what amounts to about $330 billion dollars of Russia's wealth.

That these zionist neocon murderers and thieves would put the world at risk to achieve their goals is no surprise, as one need only look at the 3,000+ innocent American lives, including many Jews, that were snuffed out on 9/11, all to set the stage for the US and allies' "War of Terror" against mainly the enemies of Israel, and to line the pockets of the ever-growing Military-Information-Security Complex. Innocent lives mean absolutely nothing to these monsters.

The campaign against Russia is simply another necessary link in the chain that binds the world to the PNAC vision of using the US and the West to establish and maintain what is essentially a Jewish supremacist movement that barely conceals itself and its nefarious agenda from the useful idiot goyim so necessary to carry forward the PNAC's plan for world domination. And the chubby little Ms Nudelman is just another tireless zionist mouthpiece for this ugly, obnoxious and risky agenda

Mr. Hack , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:47 am GMT
Giraldi would have us believe that it was all a US sponsored provocation, not the natural outcry of the Ukrainiain people seeking change from a thoroughly corrupt and authoritarian regime. Ms.Nuland's cookies must have tasted really good to get the massive outpouring of support in Kiev that demanded systemic change.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/-nNFrvGOb9o?feature=oembed

chris , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:11 am GMT
A major indicator of how long-term foreign policy goals are actually set by the US was revealed when Obama declared Venezuela a threat to national security in 2015!
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-declares-venezuela-national-security-threat-imposes-sanctions

Venezuela? A threat to US national security?? Sounds completely absurd.

But if you consider your 'national security' being threatened whenever any scarce natural resources in the world are not in your or in your client states' posession, then anthing which interferes with that is a "threat!" Iran (before 2003), Iraq, and Russia certainly fit the bill of being enemies.

This explanation, for me, is much more realistic than to think the neocons are solely driven by cold war mentalities.

The neocons are particularly peeved at Russia because through their oligarchs, they had the crown jewels in their hand before Putin wrested it out. It was always clear from the beginning that the overthrow of the Ukraine government was always just a stepping stone to the overthrow of Putin in Russia.

Russia is truly the mother load, with control over its natural resources, you control China, undermine the Middle Eastern Arab states and if necessary control Europe financially. Besides the direct political control you then exercise, on an economic level, the productive people of the world Germany and China then work for you.

roonaldo , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:13 am GMT
Nuland and her ilk will be spewing their dangerous nonsense and banging the drums of war like homicidal energizer bunnies until hell freezes over. Meanwhile, "from Atlantic to Pacific, the insanity is terrific," as the nation devolves in an engineered mass hysteria. As things go down the tubes, the Empire will get ever more desperate, rather than easing back a bit on the throttle. With Donald Boy and Sec. of State "Plump-piehole" egging on Israeli expansionist dreams and drone-executing whomever they please–what could possibly go wrong? I'm waiting for one, just one, European power to call bullshit on the U.S. and put a stop to this madness. Fat chance of that.

I think we are in the Empire's desperation phase. The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) report that called for and got another Pearl Harbor also spoke affectionately of creating bioweapons to target any upstart nation encroaching on U.S. hegemony. If the bastards could get away with 9/11, a most obvious inside job, what's not to like about the disruption and confusion of bioweapons? The ruthless evil we are up against is truly staggering.

Rahan , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:41 am GMT
It would be super funny, if Russian, Chinese, Serbian, Sudanese, Afghani, and Iranian diplomats now went out en mass to give out cookies to the US rioters.

Taking PR pictures with the poor oppressed black looters and antifa trannies, lecturing Washington on human rights, and pledging support to the "moderate terrorists" i.e. the democrat mayors and governors who decide to not interfere with the looting and autonomous zones.

I think this would be the most epic troll ever. Especially if Venezuela then paraded some nervous spook and declared him the "legitimate president of the United States".

Or maybe, kek, just appoint Bernie the real president. "For two elections the corrupt system has denied this true hero his rightful position. Enough! We support the people's choice!" etc. Bernie would be all: "I don't know who these people are, honest," and they'd be: "stay strong, comrade, we shall help you in your fight to become a true people's president!"

Lot , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:55 am GMT
America's most pro-Israel President, the one who moved the embassy to Jerusalem and appointed a West Bank settler dude as ambassador, has both refrained from starting wars and is gradually bringing the troops home from Afghanistan, Germany, etc.

So much for the Jihadi/leftist smear that Israel's friends promote wars.

Trump: peace through strength and loyalty to America's true friends.

Marshall Lentini , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 8:35 am GMT

Confronting Russia as some kind of ideological enemy is a never-ending process that leaves both sides poorer and less free.

Well said.

It's also really strange to portray Russia in this demonic fashion. When you see it up close, there are things you don't like or question, things that are bizarre, absurdly inefficient, and outright abhorrent, but it's far from the big threatening geopolitical beast they make it out to be. It's more of a joke which even Russians understand.

There's a phrase from the USSR that someone taught me – аналогов нет, "no analogues" or nothing comparable, referring to the quality of their military armaments, specifically rockets. Obvious nonsense pushed by the USSR to bolster faith in the populace, it lives on today in Kremlin propaganda, but is widely regarded as the bullshit it is, which is why videos containing the phrase itself are banned on YouTube Russia.

In short Russia, as a meme, is a "paper tiger" propped up largely by Washingtonian psychodrama and will-to-power. Washington doesn't want Russia out of Crimea because they love the Ukrainians; they want them out because Ukraine is a major destination for American corporate venality. Absent interference from Washington, the Kremlin might undertake some foreign adventures in neighboring countries, but for the most part would continue on its obvious path of "peacefully" melding with the Chinese economy, like everyone else.

There is no white nation free of the forces of decline set in motion by white success and the overall technological arc of history. "Russia" is nothing more than a scarecrow for the Washington establishment – which it could just as well drop, as they no longer need justifications or approval from the people – and signifies only a livid hunger for the last major market they've yet to absorb directly.

restless94110 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:04 am GMT

It is difficult to find anything good to say about Donald Trump, but the reality is that he has not started any new wars, though

It is difficult to read past an opening sentence such as this one.

I have seen it constantly. I call it the "Back-handed Trump hating fool" approach. The many writers who employ this method in their articles appear to believe that they literally have to make it clear to their readers that of course they (the writers) think Trump is a moron/cad/crook/criminal/mentally ill, BUT!!!

Then they proceed with the rest of their article.

But don't you (the reader) dare think that they think anything good about Trump!

This is childish bullshit and am I the only one who is completely sick of it?

Hey, Phil, how about you leave out the stupid back-handed Trump hating nonsense? You don't need to write it, but if you do? Have your editors cut it from your writing. It just makes you look stupid, and many won't even continue reading your article. As they should. No one deserves to be read who would write such facile, petty nonsense.

Proud_Srbin , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:07 am GMT
ANY country, real or satelite which allows ""diplomats from 5-headed beast or anglo-terrorist and marauding alliance deserve extinction.
God Bless DPRK!
Bill Jones , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:30 am GMT
Petty typo
"Nuland, who is the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the State Department, "

"is" sb was (thank god)

I too find it appalling that these people move among us.

JWalters , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:39 am GMT
If we "follow the money", Hillary's campaign was financed by the Israelis. An honest post mortem on her loss would have focused attention on the huge influence of Israeli money on American elections. The faked focus on Russian "meddling" could have been to divert any talk of election "meddling" away from Israel's truly vast "meddling". (The Israelis routinely distract by accusing others of their own crimes.) The Israelis control both the DNC and the corporate media, so "Russiagate" could roll on virtually evidence-free. Fox was allowed to criticize the "Russiagate" attack on Trump, but only to keep the kabuki conflict boiling. Neither side ever mentioned Israel's "meddling", or in any way criticized Israel. To the contrary, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity even agreed that Netanyahu would be a great American president. So why did Israeli asset John Bolton just attack Trump, after Trump has given Israel so much, including assassinating Soleimani? Maybe it's Trump's refusal to launch Israel's next war? Maybe they don't really trust Trump? Maybe because on 9/11 Trump said he didn't believe planes could have brought down the twin towers, and that explosives must have been involved? Could Trump be in a deadly dance with the Israelis, riding a tiger?
Anonymous [661] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:08 am GMT
Nuland wrote that Russia did "violate arms control treaties, international law, the sovereignty of its neighbors, and the integrity of elections in the United States " But wait a minute, doesn't she really mean Israel, not Russia?

And in retrospect, America's penchant for throwing little countries against the wall has never worked all that well. I'm thinking Cuba, Vietnam, Somalia.

Good article, Mr. Giraldi.

Larchmonter420 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:15 am GMT

Nuland, many will recall, was the driving force behind efforts to destabilize the Ukrainian government of President Viktor Yanukovych in 2013-2014. Yanukovych, an admittedly corrupt autocrat, nevertheless became Prime Minister after a free election.

Nuland might hate Russia, but Obama gave back Crimea to Russia the rightful owner on a Silver Platter. Russia has now easy access to Mediterranean Sea. Obama then invited Russia back to Syria, as the USSR was kicked out of Middle East by the Evil Kissinger after the Yom Kippur War ..

The rest is history. 20/20 is hindsight.

WHAT , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:21 am GMT
@Mr. Hack Exactly, it was a US financed provocation with a whole lot of extremely dumb stooges. Six years that have passed since prove it again and again, every day.

Whatever; "Ukraine" is not a state, "ukrainians" are not a people, "ukraininan" is just bastardized Russian/Polish mix, so to hell with this joke of a cuntry. Let Russia, Poland and Hungary partition it.

Robert Pinkerton , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:24 am GMT
A sub-set of our Jewish fellow Earth-walkers hates Russia, rodina and narod as ancestral heritage.

NATO should have been disbanded shortly after the Soviet Union fell, its bureaucrath given Certificates of Service and sent home.

Philip Giraldi , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:24 am GMT
@Bill Jones Thanks – corrected!
BL , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:57 am GMT
@anon

" It is hard to imagine that any U.S. administration would tolerate a similar attempt by a foreign nation to interfere in U.S. domestic politics, particularly if it were backed by a $5 billion budget, "

We could chalk this up to a lack of imagination on the part of our intrepid former CIA scribbler, but anyone paying even cursory attention couldn't help but conclude that the Obama administration didn't just tolerate, it choreographed, a plot against Trump in league with foreign intelligence services.

U.K., Ukraine, Italy, Australia, Russia, and, yes, Israel.

I'm confident that neither a lack of imagination or garden-variety ignorance explains Giraldi's narrative weaving. However open or obscured, staying on the remove Trump by any means necessary team remains the smart, if treasonous, play.

You'll note that Russia is included in this no doubt incomplete list. It really is a fool's errand to try to surmise for any of these foreign participants what of their actions were opportunism as opposed to resigned self-protectiveness,

But, make no mistake, every single one, foreign powers, whether allies or adversaries, and individuals and purportedly non-state entities, was promised goodies at the expense of the American national interest.

That's anyone's guess at this point. We know surveillance state bottom-feeder Glenn Simpson got at least $6M, and Stefan "Guttman" Halper about $1M. What do you think was promised to foreign powers for playing ball? In the case of Russia, unless I miss my mark, Nord Stream II was merely the down payment.

Maybe some day Giraldi will ask Brennan the contours of the deal he made Russia assistance in throwing the election to Hillary in March, 2016:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-cia/cia-boss-brennan-visited-moscow-in-early-march-interfax-idUSKCN0WU0S5

ThreeCranes , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:05 am GMT
@chris

" Russia is truly the mother load, with control over its natural resources, you control China, undermine the Middle Eastern Arab states and if necessary control Europe financially. Besides the direct political control you then exercise, on an economic level, the productive people of the world Germany and China then work for you."

Hear, hear!

Fred777 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:10 am GMT
Hold fast Russia, the globalists have nothing good in store for you.
Hapalong Cassidy , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:11 am GMT
Given all that has happened this year, I can unequivocally say that any white person who joins the US military needs to have their head examined. And a US military bereft of white people would be pretty much useless.
red rider , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:18 am GMT
Clinton actually bombed Yugoslavia/Sebia as a diversion when the press somehow caught wind of his arrangement with Monica Lewinsky.
Z-man , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:23 am GMT
Philip said:

Bush was an out-and-out neoconservative, or at least someone who was easily led,

Ok but the main reason 'Dubbya' went into Eye-Raq is because he wanted to 'get' Saddam for having gone after 'Big Daddy' Bush I. The Neochoens provided the cover.

Bill Jones said:

I too find it appalling that these people move among us.

Yes but Nudelman is also a laughable character now who's shelf life has expired, I hope.

JoaoAlfaiate , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:48 am GMT
Hoping for Peoria but getting Minneapolis and Seattle.
rienzi , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:02 pm GMT
Ignoring all arguments about who is on the side of the angels here.

There are a lot of countries that could hurt us badly in a shooting war, but we would survive, and at the end of the day, they would not. However, there is one country, and only one, that could completely erase us in a few hours, and that is Russia.

Seems insanely suicidal to run around poking the bear with a stick at every possible opportunity.

anonymous [245] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:03 pm GMT
For the gullible fans of Mr. Trump, who want so fervently to believe that he's trying to change anything but the rhetoric:

When I searched to confirm the name of that "diplomat" standing next to Ms. Nuland, I learned from an official website that he remains employed as such, now the face of Uncle Sam in Greece.

Geoffrey R. Pyatt, a career member of the Foreign Service, class of Career Minister, was sworn in as the U.S. Ambassador to the Hellenic Republic in September 2016.

He served as U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine from 2013-2016, receiving the State Department's Robert Frasure Memorial Award in recognition of his commitment to peace and alleviation of human suffering in eastern Ukraine.

What should we expect of a President that would brag about luring an Iranian leader into a gangland hit with an invitation to discuss peace?

If you can't handle the truth, just hit the Troll or Disagree button.

Robjil , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:07 pm GMT
@Mr. Hack It is called fool's gold.

They were promised the EU or riches from the EU.

Yet, the leader of the coup Nuland said these immortal words to start her coup:

"F–k the EU"

Nuland knew the real deal.

She was creating a Zion colony in Ukraine and nothing more than that.

geokat62 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:13 pm GMT

All were hawks who believed that the United States had the right to do whatever it considered necessary to enhance its own security , to include invading other countries, which led to Afghanistan and Iraq, where the U.S. still has forces stationed nearly twenty years later.

Great article, Phil. May I recommend one minor edit:

All were hawks who believed that the United States had the right to do whatever it considered necessary to enhance the Jewish State's security, to include invading other countries, which led to Afghanistan and Iraq, where the U.S. still has forces stationed nearly twenty years later.

Realist , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:15 pm GMT

The foreign interventionists really hate Russia

Ya think??? Is this supposed to be newsy?

Realist , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:17 pm GMT
@Hapalong Cassidy

Given all that has happened this year, I can unequivocally say that any white person who joins the US military needs to have their head examined.

That has been the case for decades.

Jake , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:18 pm GMT
Why do our 'foreign interventionists,' our 'permanent war for globalist perpetual peace' crusaders, our Neocons, hate Russia so thoroughly and so centrally to their very beings?

First, our imperialists are the direct descendants intellectually, spiritually, and morally of the first WASP Empire, the first Anglo-Zionist Empire: the British Empire. And they have used their high IQs that are focused on grasping the One Ring to Rule Them All to locate where the Brit WASP Empire failed to achieve its goals, which allowed the collapse starting with World War 1. They are obsessed with that because they believe that if they can achieve what the Brit WASPs failed to achieve, then they can make the Anglo-Zionist Empire 2.0 as permanent as the Roman Empire – a Thousand Year Reich.

And that is spiritually what all WASP imperialism, all Anglo-Zionist imperialism back to at least the Anglo-Saxon Puritans, is about: replacing the Roman Empire, which means replacing that which culturally led to, and was absolutely indispensable to, Christendom.

What they wish to redo and achieve that the Brit WASPs failed in is winning The Great Game: becoming total master of Eur-Asia. And that requires taking out Russia and China. In the 19th century, China was sicker than even the Ottoman Turkish Empire. To play the long game to destroy Russia, the Brit WASPs allied with the Turks to prevent Russia acting to push the Ottomans out of Europe. Brit WASP secret service in eastern Europe was focused on reducing Russia significantly right through the Bolshevik Revolution, even with Russia naively, stupidly allied with the British Empire in World War 1.

Our 'foreign interventionists' have seen Russia under Putin rise from the ashes, and they intend to destroy Russia once and for all, so they then can reduce China and win The Great Game. And thus make Anglo-Zionist Empire greater than Roman Empire.

Second, our Neocons are the spiritual and intellectual descendants not just of Trotskyites, but of all Russia-hating Jews with ties to Central and/or Eastern Europe. For them, Russia always is the evil that must be destroyed for the good of Jews.

Everything at its bedrock is about theology, is about the choice between Christ and Christendom or the Chaos of anti-Christendom.

BL , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:22 pm GMT
@BL By the way, I will give you the commanding heights Sad Story in absurdly abridged form.

China won the post-Cold War period hands down. From Tiananmen Square to Ising power on the cusp of global hegemony in a quarter century. With the US paying the bill.

While there were clear indications to any honest observer years before, Snowden's coming out signaled the public next phase of a years long operation in which the USG built a global surveillance apparatus, including not the least of Americans, and then lost the whole shebang to Russia, China and God Knows Who Else.

My view then -- and I have seen nothing to even suggest my informed speculation was wrong -- was that the sky was the limit in terms of what the powers that be would gift in terms of the national interest to protect themselves from exposure and a reckoning.

I would like anyone who disagrees to otherwise explain how USG policy became one of driving China and Russia into a strategic alliance. To say nothing of putting obviously compromised individuals, foreign assets, like Brennan at the apex of power.

Obama was also the first president to set up a regular Tuesday morning session to review a list of American citizens who would benefit from being killed by drone.

Uh huh. Read the NYT article -- Obama is no angel, but Giraldi should explain why President Obama would set up, much less publicly reveal, weekly sessions in which both he and the office of the president are grossly debased by the Director of the CIA?

geokat62 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:34 pm GMT

Zionism is the Deep State – Rick Wiles

-- TruNews™ (@TruNews) June 22, 2020

Jake , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 12:52 pm GMT
In this article, this is the most important sentence in terms of showing how doomed America is: Obama was also the first president to set up a regular Tuesday morning session to review a list of American citizens who would benefit from being killed by drone.

The DOOM is that no Liberal can ever acknowledge that as something a liberal, a sacred black liberal at that, would do without being forced to do so by white conservatives.

That insanity lies at the heart of America and has since at least the Emancipation Proclamation. It means that it is totally impossible to have a halfway meaningful 'liberal' opposition to imperialism, because imperialism is always easily cast as doing good for the downtrodden blacks and/or browns and/or yellows and/or Jews and/or Moslems.

anon [319] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 1:00 pm GMT
Too late, too fat, & too ugly! Nuland already lost the beauty contest for Biden's ventriloquist to Avril Haines, She-wolf of the DO. The rectal feedings will continue till morale improves!
Really No Shit , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 1:13 pm GMT
The "foreign interventionists" want two things: Russia's mineral riches and its good gene pool (how do you think Middle Eastern Semites became blonde hair- blue eyed people who can easily blend into the West to undermine it from within in the first place to begin with?)

And they won't stop until they get what they want, by hook or crook!

Mr. Hack , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 1:36 pm GMT
@Robjil Nuland was about as interested in creating a "Zion colony" of Ukraine as Ron Unz (another Jew) is in creating one at this website!
Anonymous [112] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 1:41 pm GMT
Clinton and Obama were so-called liberal interventionists who sought to export something called democracy to other countries in an attempt to make them more like Peoria . . .

More like the Castro District or Seattle, in fact.

BuelahMan , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 1:43 pm GMT
Vicky is a Dirty Woman:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/q67l4qPKbJ4?feature=oembed

A123 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 1:43 pm GMT

So the difference between neocons and liberal interventionists is one of style rather than substance. And, by either yardstick all-in-all, Trump looks pretty good, but there has nevertheless been a resurgence of neocon-think in his administration.

Trump fired John Bolton. Pompeo is at most a shadow of Bolton. That is rather the opposite of resurgence. If the author could let go of his #NeverTrump bias he would be able to see that Trump has run the NeoCons out of the GOP.

Trump tried to remove troops from Syria and Afghanistan and ran into Deep State obstructionism.

The Globalists tried to trick Trump into a Syria expansion by creating a Turkey/Syria battle through areas controlled by U.S. Troops. Trump refused to be manipulated and pulled U.S. Troops out of the kill sack. Does anyone still believe that myth about 'protecting Syrian oil'? Only the mentally dim accepted that ludicrous cover story. It was flimsy excuse to relocate out of the Deep State trap.

Prior U.S. administrations created huge problems in the ME by toppling Saddam and emboldening Iran's theocracy. "Cut and Run" would guarantee a nuclear arms race in the region. Trump's containment of Iranian colonial expansionism is working, albeit slowly. The Rial continues to slide (now at ~200,000 to the USD). At some point, the Iranian people will choose to get rid of their failed leaders and rejoin civilized society. Until then Trump's containment is better than a Biden invasion.
_____

Trump has fundamentally reshaped the alignment of U.S. Politics. There is only one foreign interventionist party. The SJW Globalist DNC now owns both the NeoConDemocrats and the R2P crowd. The choice this November is clear:

-- Trump -- No New Foreign Wars
-- Biden -- Invasion of Ukraine, Iran, Libya, etc.

PEACE

Desert Fox , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 1:50 pm GMT
Nuland is just the tip of the iceberg in the ZUS government, which is infested with zionists and has been in every administation since Wilson, they are the cause of every war since WWI right down to the middle east and in the case of the middle east wars, the zionists and Israel used their attack on the WTC to push America into the slaughter house for the greater Israel project.

Read The Protocols of Zion and the book The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed, there is laid out the zionist one world zionist government.

chris , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 1:53 pm GMT
@Rahan HAHAHA, I'm still laughing !!! That's friggin hilarious, Rahan!!!
Bernie the cowardly comrade
Bill Jones , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:00 pm GMT
@Larchmonter420 It is little noticed that those Countries consumed by the evil Soviet Union have fared much better in conserving their culture and sense of self, after they were upchucked in the early '90s, than the Champions of Democracy of the West have done under the freedom and tutelage bestowed by the US.
Funny dat.
chris , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:09 pm GMT
@Hapalong Cassidy yeah, white or straight; the worst is if you're both
AnonFromTN , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:19 pm GMT
Yes, Nudelman and her ilk are rabidly anti-Russian. But what they did in Ukraine revealed a very different thing: globohomo elites are mentally degenerate, they cannot foresee even immediate consequences of their moves. There was a joke in Russia that for the coup in 2014 in Kiev Obama deserves a medal "For the liberation of Crimea" (there was a medal of this name in WWII). There was another joke, that Ukraine without Crimea is like a purebred stallion without balls.

Neocons planned to make Ukraine a battering rum against Russia. They did not understand that a log rotten through and through cannot serve as a battering ram. Now they are stuck with that wreck ("you break it – you own it" rule) and don't know what to do with it. Previous US administration and DNC big shots (Biden, Pelosi, Schiff, and Co) used it mostly as a rout of stealing US taxpayers' money. Current administration does not seem to have even this use for it. The US keeps proving the age-old wisdom that when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. Putin appears to have a huge stock of popcorn.

Bill Jones , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:20 pm GMT
@BL Bezos has done extremely well for acting as China's proxy in destroying the US economy.
Give the man a medal:
onebornfree , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:21 pm GMT
"So the difference between neocons and liberal interventionists is one of style rather than substance. And, by either yardstick all-in-all, Trump looks pretty good, but there has nevertheless been a resurgence of neocon-think in his administration. "

This "just" in: "War is the health of the state" Randolph Bourne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randolph_Bourne

Meaning, if you have governments in the first place, sooner or later, you will have war, either on the people inside a country [eg the war on drugs], or on citizens of another country, or both at the same time [i.e. what we have now].

Outside of complete dissolution of all states [ preferable in my opinion, but unlikely given the general mindset of the brainwashed masses worldwide], and given the systemic need of all states everywhere for evermore wars on their own, and on others populations, the only [ imperfect, and perhaps temporary], solution I see is to 95% downsize the federal government and restore the constitution and bill of rights and to thereby restrict the federal government to its original limits, and to even design new, more effective ways to prevent the federal governments further expansion beyond those original limits/chains.

"..the very idea of the State itself is poisonous, evil, and intrinsically destructive. But, like so many bad ideas, people have come to assume it's part of the cosmic firmament, when it's really just a monstrous scam.

It's a fraud, like your belief that you have a right to free speech because of the First Amendment, or a right to be armed because of the Second Amendment. No, you don't. The U.S. Constitution is just an arbitrary piece of paper entirely apart from the fact the whole thing is now just a dead letter. You have a right to free speech and to be armed because they're necessary parts of being a free person, not because of what a political document says.

Even though the essence of the State is coercion, people have been taught to love and respect it. Most people think of the State in the quaint light of a grade school civics book. They think it has something to do with "We the People" electing a Jimmy Stewart character to represent them.

That ideal has always been a pernicious fiction, because it idealizes, sanitizes, and legitimizes an intrinsically evil and destructive institution, which is based on force. As Mao once said, political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Doug Casey
https://www.caseyresearch.com/daily-dispatch/doug-casey-the-deep-state-is-responsible-for-all-economic-turmoil/

Regards, onebornfree

Agent76 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:22 pm GMT
Apr 27, 2017 This Is Already Putting an End to the Age of Globalization and Bankrupting the United States (2004)

For a major power, prosecution of any war that is not a defense of the homeland usually requires overseas military bases for strategic reasons. After the war is over, it is tempting for the victor to retain such bases and easy to find reasons to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/orBEdPe63v0?feature=oembed

February 26, 2015 The Neoconservative Threat To World Order

Scholars from Russia and from around the world, Russian government officials, and the Russian people seek an answer as to why Washington destroyed during the past year the friendly relations between America and Russia that President Reagan and President Gorbachev succeeded in establishing.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/26/neoconservative-threat-world-order-paul-craig-roberts/

AnonFromTN , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:25 pm GMT
@Bill Jones There is even funnier thing now with covid: the countries that do not toe the imperial line, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, are doing a lot better than imperial sidekicks like Brazil, Colombia, or Peru. Rephrasing old Russian saying, "tell me who is your friend, and I tell you how stupid you are".
chris , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:25 pm GMT
@Rahan To make the troll work even better, Venezuela could then send 20 guys in zodiacs to motor into DC and NY harbor to try to take over Dulles and LaGuardia airports, and when they got captured, they could just trade them for those 2 knuckleheads we sent down there. They could also claim that they're here to capture Trump; that might just get him handed over.

Rahan, you have to send your brilliant joke to CJ Hopkins and to Caitline Johnstone to get if more exposure.

Wizard of Oz , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:45 pm GMT
@anonymous You appear to be saying that a career diplomat who served in Ukraine when the US did or supported bad things there should not have been appointed as Ambassador to Greece. Is that a correct understanding of what you mean to convey? If so, how does this reflect on Trump when the appointment was made two months before he was elected?
JoaoAlfaiate , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:48 pm GMT
Before confronting the Russians, it might be a good idea to regain control of Minneapolis and Seattle ..
anonymous [400] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:52 pm GMT

So the difference between neocons and liberal interventionists is one of style rather than substance.

That's pretty much it, they just use different rhetoric to appeal to their constituencies. Might makes right; there is no other law beside bandit law. The Russians have been a barrier to the US being able to spread itself over the entire globe and rob everyone weaker than itself. The US was behind all these atrocious jihadi mercenaries even as it's pretended to be against them. The Russians stopped the US project of terror and overthrow in Syria and that's outraged the Americans who thought they could act as they pleased. Libya was destroyed by the wonderful, hip Obama who many stupid Americans still think was a nice person. But with Russia, they can huff and puff but can't blow their walls down. They have a military that can deter the Americans unlike all the other smaller victim states.

AnonFromTN , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:53 pm GMT
@onebornfree

Meaning, if you have governments in the first place, sooner or later, you will have war,

Funny, you sound like notorious Russian politician Zhirinovsky. He said: "there is no such thing as lasting peace, there is only prolonged armistice".

Wizard of Oz , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:57 pm GMT
@AnonFromTN The second joke should be withdrawn from active service. It is that of the naughty schoolboy who will say anything for a cheap laugh – in this case "balls. A well bred gelding will win races, be just as well fed and housed as the entire stallion and much more contentedly placid.
GMC , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 2:59 pm GMT
Right after those two Israeli puppets were dancing and talking on their open lined cell phones outside on Shitskyia St. in Kyiv, Ukraine, in front of the US Embassy, Ambassador Py Rat ended up going to the US Embassy in Greece, in order screw the Greek people some more, and Cookies Nuland ended up -- F n what's left of the island of Cyprus. US Embassies are nothin more than CIA offices and only idiots would leave them in their country.
Biff , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 3:20 pm GMT
@AnonFromTN Another Russian joke about Ukraine – that I will probably wreck but here goes:

How come you want to attack Donbass?

Because the Russians are there.

How come you don't actually attack Donbass?

Because the Russians are really there!

EliteCommInc. , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 3:33 pm GMT
"She accuses the Kremlin of having "seized" Crimea, but fails to see the heavy footprint of the U.S. military in Afghanistan and Iraq and as a regional enabler of Israeli and Saudi war crimes. One wonders if she is aware that Russia, which she sees as expansionistic, has only one overseas military base while the United States has more than a thousand."

I think this is a mistake. I think Miss Nuland knows exactly how large and intense the US ft print is and belies it should be larger and more intense. There are sincere people who believe that the US must as duty make the work safe for democracy even the means of getting there is any and everything bt democratic because in the long run -- the benefits will outweigh.

and as proof of er sincerity -- it's not just Russia (Though I understand why Dr. Giraldi would like to tackle one territorial issue at a time makes sense)

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/21/china-adapting-and-improving-on-tactics-deployed-b/

Herald , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 3:34 pm GMT
@Chris Moore

And half of America thinks Trump is nuts? It should look at the "intellectual Jews" it's so desperate to consign its fate to.

Of course, it should look at them, that's what Trump seems to be doing.

AnonFromTN , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 3:44 pm GMT
@Biff I've heard another version of this.
Ukrainians are asked:
– If you believe that Crimea belongs to you, why don't you fight for it?
– We are not stupid, Russian troops are there.
– But you say that there are Russian troops in Donbass, yet you fight.
– That's what we say, but in Crimea there really are Russian troops.
Rahan , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 3:48 pm GMT
@chris
Thank you for the kind words, Chris,
You're very welcome to share the gist of the joke anywhere you like, and add to it whatever you think works:)
peter mcloughlin , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 3:51 pm GMT
I agree that "backing Moscow into a corner with no way out" is a dangerous strategy. This is not the Cold War: in the Cold War the United States and USSR were able to keep peace, a balance of power, an equilibrium where neither side's vital interests were threatened. Russia had a buffer zone: not today. America was at the height of its global economic power: today it is being overtaken by China. In the Cold War the big powers avoided nuclear Armageddon – though at times appeared to come close – because they were able to. The misguided thinking today is: "we got through the Cold War we can get this". This is not a re-run of 1945-1991: it is the lead-in to the holocaust that period skillfully avoided.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
GMC , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 3:54 pm GMT
@Mr. Hack I was in Ukraine and was a resident in 2008 even. Yanuk was a thief, but this was SOP in Kyiv – how do you think they all get rich ? Sure the people were protesting about corruption, but anyone who was really there know how easy it was to spread the riot when the western neo nazis are bussed in, the " cookies" end up being money paid to certain groups and out of work peasants. Yanuk was trying to short sell Ukraine's farmland etc. to many corporations and countries. He was taking money from Monsanto, Carghill, Dupont, John Deere/ Iowa Univ. and even China started to build a deep water port in Crimea , in order to grow on the 200,000 hectares they wanted to lease. Russia always gave the Ukies a decent loan or gaz price { esp. for Princess Jewish Tymoshenko who up the price for her takings }, not to mention the million or so that worked in Ru. A Perfect storm , for as far back as when , in 2005, Senator B Obama , brought 40 million in cash to Donetsk, in order to de- arm the Ukrainian military. This Maidan and Ukrainian plan was well planned – decade or two earlier – Pravda !
Herald , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 3:56 pm GMT
@Bill Jones China's proxy?
Shaman911 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:00 pm GMT
For one thing. PRESIDENTS of any country "DO NOT START WARS" It's always Jewish Bankers.
Nuland is Jewish so what else is there to talk about?
Alfa158 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:13 pm GMT
Mr. Giraldi ; do you think Vicky is angling for the Secretary of State position in the upcoming Biden administration?
Have you given any thought to who Biden will be told to select for the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and National Security Advisor slots where they will be leading the charge for war?
I think it is possible that Bolton may have been angling for one of those spots with his current book tour, but that has obviously blown up in his face.
Really No Shit , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:15 pm GMT
@BuelahMan Dirty Vicky wanted to do statuesque Julia you know where!
Curmudgeon , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:41 pm GMT
@Anonymous I thought that bit was comic relief.
anonymous [245] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:42 pm GMT
@Wizard of Oz OK, as you give off more than a whiff of effete hack yourself, I'll bite.*

Yes, that's what I mean to convey. It reflects on President Trump -- and, more particularly, his sham campaign rhetoric -- that the likes of Mr. Pyatt remain in place with another Exceptional! plaque on his lavish office.

Do you mean to convey that the President can't replace ambassadors at will, or that they have tenure?

-- --

*Before interacting with this "Wizard of Oz" character, be aware that he/she/they often draw other commenters in with questions and requests that are seldom resolved to his/her/their satisfaction, or with cryptic insinuations that distract discussion.

The same person also fuzzes up threads by pretending to be more than one commenter, the technique known as "sock puppetry." See under Mr. Derbyshire's February 15, 2019, article comment ## 28, 42, 43, 44, 68, 122, where he/she/they got sloppy also posting as "Anon[436]."

Among this website's oddest, sophisticatedly trollish commenters.

AnonFromTN , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:44 pm GMT
@GMC Let's give credit where credit is due. Yes, the Empire wanted to buy Ukraine, preferably on the cheap (considering that the goods were not of the first quality). But for the sale to proceed you need two sides. You need a fraudster and a sucker. You cannot consider morons who sold their would-be country for beads blameless. Not to mention that many local thugs got a cut. Smarter thieves took their loot and ran away, like Yats. Dumber and/or greedier ones, like Porky and Kolomoisky, remained and kept trying to steal more. The suckers (the rest of the population) are left holding the bag. Stupidity is always punished in the end, but not always so severely.
Mr. Hack , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:51 pm GMT
@GMC Although one has to be careful in dealing with the large multinationals, the only way to obtain large contracts is through cooperation with them. Opening things up and building ports would have resulted in large employment opportunities for the masses, adding some stability to the Ukrainian economy.

I'm not aware of Senator Obama's dealings in Donetsk to "de-arm the Ukrainian military". Please do tell me more.

Chris Moore , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 4:56 pm GMT
@Jake

Our 'foreign interventionists' have seen Russia under Putin rise from the ashes, and they intend to destroy Russia once and for all, so they then can reduce China and win The Great Game. And thus make Anglo-Zionist Empire greater than Roman Empire. Second, our Neocons are the spiritual and intellectual descendants not just of Trotskyites, but of all Russia-hating Jews with ties to Central and/or Eastern Europe. For them, Russia always is the evil that must be destroyed for the good of Jews.

So basically, they're Jewish parasites with delusions of grandeur who attached themselves to the British Empire and American Empire (destroying the US Constitution along the way), and are using its decaying WASP blood and treasure to set up an Anglo-Zionist Empire, which will then morph into a Zionist Empire, which will then move its headquarters to Israel, which will then fulfill "chosen" Zionist Jewish supremacist prophecy and theology of ruling the world.

In other words, they're not only parasites, but they're insane parasites. Really, could there be any other kind? The insanity is baked into the parasite.

Curmudgeon , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:00 pm GMT
@anonymous

What should we expect of a President that would brag about luring an Iranian leader into a gangland hit with an invitation to discuss peace?

I am confident that, in my lifetime, the truth about how that unfolded will never be known. The intel for the hit came from the Israelis through the same people that have been undermining him from Day 1. Did Trump actually know Soleimani was there on a peace mission? Did Trump know that an Iraqi leader would be with Solmeimani? Why would de-escalation of tensions between Iran and Saudi Arabia be bad for Trump who has been avoiding staring wars? Was Mattis in on that game?

Once the hit was done, the rest is creating a narrative for diversion. It was a shit show, to be sure, but I suspect there is a lot more to this than what we are being fed.

Colin Wright , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:01 pm GMT
' Michael Ledeen, "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business." '

Now, if that 'small, crappy little country' could be Israel, me 'n Mike could have a real meeting of minds.

but I suppose that's not what Mike meant.

Colin Wright , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:06 pm GMT
' Backing Moscow into a corner with no way out by using threats and sanctions is not good policy '

That might well be, but maybe there is a way out.

Think maybe if Russia abandoned its support for a state in Syria and let Israel have her little way with the place that she might suddenly be left in peace?

Nahhh couldn't possibly be a connection. How could that influence our policy?

FLgeezer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:10 pm GMT
@anonymous >Among this website's oddest, sophisticatedly trollish commenters.

Agreed. I suggest he/she/it be referred to henceforth as the Wizard of Odds.

Colin Wright , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:16 pm GMT
' Washington and its allies have forgotten the statecraft that won the Cold War '

This always happens with winners -- be they World War One generals or Cold Warriors.

If, due to other factors entirely, they happen to finally triumph, it all becomes attributed to their incredible genius.

The oddity is that the Soviet Union lasted as long as it did. It was a massively unattractive system with no natural constituency beyond its own bureaucrats. Yes, it had to be kept at bay, and we did do that -- but we basically merely watched while it collapsed under the weight of its own internal flaws.

Kouros , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:34 pm GMT
American Oligarchy really wants to take over the Russian economy and assets (as well as China's and Iran's)
Pat Kittle , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:38 pm GMT

the advice that has been attributed to leading neocon Michael Ledeen, "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."

Hmm Israel comes first to mind.

Hegar , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:44 pm GMT
Giraldi's first paragraph is spot on. But after corona dealing the economy a heavy blow, I don't think Trump will start a war before the election. I don't think he would have done that otherwise either, though there was some risk. Trump has caved numerous times, he is an idioht when it comes to hiring his enemies hoping to appease them, but there is no question that he opposes mass immigration and invasions.

I suppose most people here know this, but let's look at how many of the pro-war names mentioned belong to the 2.5 % "Chosen":

George Bush
Donald Rumsfeld
Hillary Clinton
Michael Ledeen (White, but studied history under *George Mosse, immigrated from Germany)
Reuel Gerecht
Dan Senor

*Richard Perle
*Paul Wolfowitz (The architect of the Afghan-Iraq invasions, who gathered support for them in Congress and organized the pro-war communication)
*Douglas Feith (would have been the Sec. of Defense if people hadn't objected too much, as he was infamous after the Iran-Contra affair)
*Eliot Abrams
*Lewish "Scooter" Libby of the dead eyes
*Robert Kagan
*Frederick Kagan
*Victoria Nuland
*Madeleine Albright (Half a million dead Iraqi children from starvation sanctions and bombing the infrastructure for twelve years was "worth it")

That's six Whites and nine Tribe.

If those nine hadn't existed millions would have been alive today, there would have been no flood of Somalis, Afghans, Iraqis and Syrians to Europe, and the U.S. and the Middle East would have been far better off.

Pat Kittle , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:48 pm GMT
@Colin Wright I just posted a similar comment, before I saw yours.

Plagiarism unintended!

Alfred , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:53 pm GMT
@Mr. Hack I applaud the US response of supporting Ukraine's aspirations for a freer more Western oriented country

You are joking surely? The country is run by Jews from top to bottom – although Jews are 1% of the population. Since the Maidan putsch, there has only been a string of Jewish presidents and prime minsters. The guy responsible for investigating corruption was recently sacked and replaced by a Jew.

Post Maidan, 3 TV stations were shut in Kharkov alone. Everything is controlled and is lies. Journalists and politicians who don't do as they are told are shot. No one is arrested. The latest victim was an opposition politician who was executed by a shot in the head in his parliamentary office a few weeks ago. No Jew ever suffers such a fate.

He was not "found dead". He was killed by a bullet to the head.
It was not in "central Kyiv". It was in the parliament building.

Ukrainian lawmaker found dead in central Kyiv

Rurik , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 5:57 pm GMT

Vice President Dick Cheney, who thought he was actually the man in charge.

he was

contrast the chimp sitting in that classroom for 20 something minutes, as our nation was under attack

with what Cheney was doing at the time..

https://www.youtube.com/embed/qjR0gGXV-04?feature=oembed

All were hawks who believed that the United States had the right to do whatever it considered necessary to enhance its own security,

I see Geo has already pointed out the obvious absurdity that any of these criminal were in the least bit worried bout US security. If anything, they were overtly sacrificing US security on behalf of an enemy state. Not sure why you write stuff like that Mr. G, unless you just expect people to ignore it as perfunctory tripe, but there are some, no doubt, who read those words and assume you are actually saying they care about the US. When you and I both know they don't.

Clinton and Obama were so-called liberal interventionists who sought to export something called democracy to other countries in an attempt to make them more like Peoria.

Nope.

They were and are both amoral, opportunistic zio-whores, whose only ideology is what's good for Clinton and Obama, respectively. Clinton didn't bomb Serbia out of some humanitarian love of freedom and democracy, and Obama didn't destroy Libya and Syria except to serve his zio-masters. Duh.

So the difference between neocons and liberal interventionists is one of style rather than substance. And, by either yardstick all-in-all, Trump looks pretty good,

I was telling my gal the other day, that Trump could be The One to End the Fed, by allowing Goldman Sachs and the rest of them to feast at the Treasury to their heart's content.

I reminded her of Jackson's quote about hurting ten thousand families, in order to save fifty thousand. And in a similar vein, Trump could be setting up the collapse of the ZUS economy, which will hurt hundreds of millions, but if he could collapse the dollar, he very well might save billions of people's lives.

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out."
– Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)

Nuland is most famous for her foul language when referring to the potential European role

I beg to differ, Mr. G.

I would posit that her most famous utterings were when she imperiously demanded that "Yats is our guy". IOW, the way she was promoting "democracy" in Ukraine, was by corrupting the system with 5 billions of tax payer lucre- to the point where she, *personally* could decide who- (Jewish banker) would be president in a nation thousands of miles away. That's how the ZUS promotes "democracy" in foreign lands. (and, I suspect that it was the way that call was leaked, that is the fount of all the rage at Russia, for "Russian hacking', breaking long-standing diplomatic protocols against exposing other nation's treachery and corruption to the 'little people').

Nuland's view . Russia to violate arms control treaties, international law, the sovereignty of its neighbors, and the integrity of elections in the United States and Europe

for Nuland to talk about 'International law and the 'integrity of European elections'.. is like Jerry Sandusky lecturing people on child welfare.

That strategy required consistent U.S. leadership at the presidential level,

OK, so not only Nuland but also John Bolton is screeching that Trump is the disaster of our times.

Not since John McCain has a mad dog Zionist insider been so full of hate for Trump. Hmm..

as Russia's threat to the liberal world has grown."

the more she talks, the more I like Putin.

And it is precisely what Nuland did in fact do in Ukraine

.
they think chutzpah, (arr0gent contempt for decency and in-your-face hypocrisy), is a virtue.

All Americans and Europeans and everyone else, should see that Putin is the world's remaining statesman. We should all do everything we can to support Putin's earnest efforts to rein in the murderous, zio-glob menacing the planet today.

Thank you Mr. G. for exposing Nuland's treachery, hypocrisy and J-supremacist agenda.

Colin Wright , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:33 pm GMT
@Pat Kittle ' Plagiarism unintended!'

Wouldn't it be more of a matter of great minds thinking alike?

Jake , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:33 pm GMT
@Chris Moore Archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell made alliance with Jewish bankers, then congregated in the Netherlands. The deal, which financially was necessary to him securing Puritan rule and to then wage more war against non-WASP natives of the British Isles, included Jews being allowed legally live in and own property in England, including to build a synagogue, with Jews exempted from all requirements that the Puritan government made on al natives of the British Isles.

Jews are not parasites on WASP culture. WASP culture is born of a Judaizing heresy, and Jews therefore have always been partners in WASP culture.

You need to spend a large amount of time learning the rise of Jews with the growth of the British Empire. Then put that with the rise of Jews as part of the American empire.

And then unless you are brain dead, you will see that WASP culture and Jews go together. Jews are not parasites on WASP culture. Jews and WASPs are symbiotic, at the expense of 90-95% of non-WASP whites.

Agent76 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:34 pm GMT
Jun 23, 2020 Online Event: U.S. Grand Strategy in the Middle East

While prominent voices in Washington have argued that U.S. interests in the Middle East are dwindling and will require the United States to "do less" there, Jake Sullivan argued in a recent Foreign Affairs article that the United States should be more ambitious using U.S. leverage and diplomacy to promote regional stability.

Colin Wright , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:35 pm GMT
@Lot 'So much for the Jihadi/leftist smear that Israel's friends promote wars.'

Uh huh. Just look at how Trump has reached out to Iran.

and I notice that our troops are still in Syria.

not that any of this could conceivably lead to yet another war on behalf of Israel.

anonymous [245] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:38 pm GMT
@Curmudgeon Did you not hear the recording of President Trump's disgusting speech weeks later at a fundraiser, recounting the hit to his rapt backers? I'm pretty sure that it was posted in a comment to one of Dr. Giraldi's columns.

You might also want to review Linh Dinh's June 12, 2016 "Orlando Shooting Means Trump For President."

Voting for any of these Red/Blue characters merely moves the boot around on your face.

Mefobills , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:51 pm GMT
Democracies don't reflect the will of the people:

Victoria Nuland recommends that "The challenge for the United States in 2021 will be to lead the democracies of the world in crafting a more effective approach to Russia -- one that builds on their strengths and puts stress on Putin where he is vulnerable, including among his own citizens." Interestingly, that might be regarded as seeking to interfere in the workings of a foreign government, reminiscent of the phony case made against Russia in 2016. And it is precisely what Nuland did in fact do in Ukraine

https://www.johnkaminski.org/index.php/essays-by-john-kaminiski-american-writer-and-critic/holocausting-humanity/91-the-true-nature-of-the-jew-scam

We live in the dark, convinced by our public media and our insincere leaders that we are heroes and freedom fighters. In reality the opposite is true: we are the plunderers, the ravagers, deceiving ourselves to do the dirty work of the manipulators who have twisted our minds with trinkets and false accounts of the people we kill and the countries we ruin in order to steal their treasures.

And the saddest part -- the punchline that proves how stupid we are -- is that we never profit from the invasions we are cynically ordered to conduct. The bounty always goes to the swindlers pulling the strings, and we, as the agents of banditry, time and again, are always left to suffer the same fate of the people we have robbed when we are robbed ourselves, of not only our treasures, but of our dignity, shortly before we are robbed of our lives.

It is the way history has always gone. The ignorant masses are persuaded to commit the crimes of the rich and as the unwitting perpetrators, we ultimately suffer the same fate as the victims, while the rich snicker in their palaces and plot their next swindle.

Bill Jones , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 6:53 pm GMT
@Herald How much of Amazon's offering is Chinese sourced?

Who sells more Chinese goods than Bezos?

Colin Wright , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 7:02 pm GMT
@Agent76 'While prominent voices in Washington have argued that U.S. interests in the Middle East are dwindling and will require the United States to "do less" there, Jake Sullivan argued in a recent Foreign Affairs article that the United States should be more ambitious using U.S. leverage and diplomacy to promote regional stability.'

I'm confused. Iraq is more stable for our intervention?

If we 'did less' in the Middle East, it could only promote regional stability.

Most of our actions there are pretty clearly calculated to promote instability, not stability. Promoting anarchy in Syria, baiting Iran into a war, acquiescing in a coup in Egypt, sanctioning Israel's continual bombing raids

geokat62 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 7:32 pm GMT
Anyone ever heard of Father Mordechi Martin? Neither did I, until I came across this explosive video

BANNED: How the Jews infiltrated the Vatican & changed the Catholic Church

https://www.goyimtv.com/view?v=2074240941

The late Michael Collins Piper hosts a call in program and his guest is Jim Condit Jr. The topic of conversation is Father Mordechi Martin, a Zionist spy who infiltrated and subverted the Catholic Church.

Unfortunately, it indeed seems that Jewish Supremacists have achieved full spectrum dominance.

anonymous [237] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 7:32 pm GMT
The first thing a confident America has got to do is top up that DO covert-ops slush fund:

https://www.madcowprod.com/2020/06/17/politics-contraband-gangster-planet/

Cuz, Oops. Big CIA profit center needs some business interruption insurance, huh?

Gee, I wonder who ratted them out?

slorter , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 8:07 pm GMT
Good article !
Druid55 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 8:14 pm GMT
@Mustapha Mond Only a few israelis died on 911. They didn't get the text that american jews got to stay away that day. This is admited!
The Alarmist , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 8:17 pm GMT

The challenge for the United States in 2021 will be to lead the democracies of the world .

The challenge will be to find any actual democracies of any import in the world, as the lamps go out across the whole planet.

Jake , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 8:20 pm GMT
@Mr. Hack US control of the Ukraine will mean that Jews will own almost all of it and the land will be flooded with blacks and Mohammedans, with gays made another sacred group.

Anglo-Zionist Empire does what Anglo-Zionist Empire does.

chris , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 8:30 pm GMT
@Rahan I laughed my ass off ! I'm still laughing

I passed your comment on to CJ Hopkins with link to the source. Maybe he can use it in his column. It needs a much greater audience than in the comment section here.

Yours is a fantastic troll, but there are others who've commented on the ironies in this context. This article for example: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/490539-looting-is-the-price-of-freedom-cynical/ There's enough trolling material in all these events to last us a lifetime.

WikiBlabs , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 8:50 pm GMT
@Chris Moore The public does not understand that the system is actually "two party tyranny". This system is designed to divide and conquer, and it works. Compound this with the fact that many people get their information from simply "googling" terms and phrases as opposed to actually digging deep and reading books and other sources for information. Combine this with the sad state of affairs in our public education system – where students are not taught to think or ask questions but to behave, conform, and memorize information. With regard to the methods being used in our foreign policy and now, subsequently, being used here to foment chaos, check out the following resource. You will see that what is going on is simply UCW – Unconventional Warfare, and we have perfected the technique abroad.

UNIDENTIFIED NEMESIS

geokat62 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 8:51 pm GMT
Breaking news

NEW: Alan Dershowitz's attorney confirms that his client has access to Virginia Giuffre's sealed depositions. Those depositions reveal that she was directed by Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with former Israeli PM Ehud Barak & Victoria's Secret's Les Wexner.

-- julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) June 23, 2020

AnonFromTN , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:02 pm GMT
@The Alarmist How can the US "lead democracies" not being one of them? It's as ridiculous as me leading the elephants of the world.
potemkin villiage bank , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:12 pm GMT
@Fred777 The globalists should be castigated

then downtrodden and opressed

hanging is too good for them

Druid55 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:31 pm GMT
@red rider Serbia deserved it. They were conducting ethic cleansing with concentration camps, rape camps, etc
Vojkan , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:40 pm GMT
@Hegar That's three goyim and twelve "chosen". Ledeen (founder and former member of board of advisors of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs – doesn't look goy to me), Gerecht (Israelis say he's one of them) and Senor are Jewish.
Pat Kittle , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:41 pm GMT
@Colin Wright Well, at least we haven't been stampeded into mob psychosis.
Rurik , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 9:55 pm GMT
@AnonFromTN

How can the US "lead democracies" not being one of them?

didn't Vicky Nuland lead the Ukrainian democracy?

it isn't ridiculous, all it takes is shekels, as always, and an understanding of semantics. Words like 'democracy' are like 'liberated', or 'terrorists'.

The ZUS "liberated" Iraq from the "terrorists" who were ruling it, and imposed "democracy". Just like we "liberated" Germany, and "liberated" Libya, and so many other places, where the ZUS leads 'democracies'.

You see how easy it is, once you understand how to interpret the words they use?

America is helping to liberate Palestine from terrorists, so that the Palestinians can enjoy democracy.

Today the Crimea is suffering under a regime that seized her by aggression and force, and so America would like to liberate the people of Crimea, and lead them to democracy.

mark tapley , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:00 pm GMT
Jewmerica is controlled by Zionists and their operatives like Jew Nuland. Add Trump and Pence to the list too. The Presidency has been controlled by the Zionist Jews since Woodrow Wilson. Almost all of Congress is in the pocket of aIPAC and other Jew organizations. The Zionist Jews drive all the wars and conflicts, foment the false flags like the fake Floyd, Sandy Hook, Los Vegas etc. The Global Jew Bankers made immune from prosecution by our shabbos goy Congress have stolen trillions of the the country's wealth. First after 911 (also a false flag for Greater Israel) then with the bailouts for the super rich in 08 and now the monumental 6 trillion theft for their Wall St. buddies under cover of the fake Corona virus.

The goyim must be propagandized and the target demonized before the Israeli Foreign Legian (U.S. military) is sent in to force another extortion for the Jews. this is what they did twice to Germany and to Japan. Same thing in Iraq and Libya. The Zionists have so far failed in Syria and Iran. Even after getting Israel's best friend ever in the White House who abrogated our treaty with the Iranians and has lied constantly about both countries, launched rockets against the Syrians and accused Assad of gassing his own people.

The Zionsits cannot make progress without war, conflict and hatred. Once the goyim are whipped up with enough war sentiment against the Russians and Chinese and the two countries have built up sufficient military capability they will most likely join forces with a nuclear attack against Jewmerica. this will probably result in a stalemate that can then be used as a precursor to the global totalitarian NWO.

Haxo Angmark , says: Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:08 pm GMT
@Shaman911 just for the record, it's Victoria

(((Nudelman))).

Rurik , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:09 pm GMT
@Druid55

Serbia deserved it. They were conducting ethic cleansing with concentration camps, rape camps, etc

idiocy

they were fighting some of the worst scum on the planet; KLA human and narco-traffickers attempting to murder enough Serbs so they could steal the ancient Serbian land of Kosovo. Zio-style – by terrorizing the legitimate inhabitants into fleeing for their lives- to they could simply steal the land for themselves.

The trial against Milosevic was a sham and a fraud. And Milosevic was humiliating the ICC in open court, so they poisoned/assassinated him in his cell.

But, I suppose the case could be made that if the Serbs deserved it, it was because they allowed the Albanians to immigrate into Kosovo in transformative numbers in the first place, and just as the Zi0s know, demographics = destiny.

The whites of South Africa made the same mistake. The whites of Europe are very busy also making the exact same mistake, just as they are in North America and Oceana.

One day they'll wake up, and discover that now they and they're children are now on the block, with their school girls being gang-raped wholesale and their lands taken from them, and like the Serbs, they'll say, 'golly, who'd have ever thunk that inviting in stone age invaders is of questionable prudence.

So yea, in that context, they did deserve it.

Currahee , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:10 pm GMT
@Anon "Victoria Nuland was born in Jewish family in 1961 to Sherwin B. Nuland, a distinguished surgeon, and Rhona McKhann." -Wickipedia

EVERY, SINGLE, TIME!

Robjil , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:21 pm GMT
@Druid55 That is the western MSM sugared up version of what happened in Yugoslavia. Western MSM learned their lesson about being truthful about war when US and friends were in Vietnam.

Lies and lies only come from western MSM these days so wars and regime change games can go on with anyone noticing or caring.

Western MSM notifies their puppet readers that all the US and friends does is "humanitarian" stuff these days. Most puppet readers lap up this junk.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/natos-rape-of-yugoslavia/5375189

March 24, 1999 will go down in history as a day of infamy. US-led NATO raped Yugoslavia. Doing so was its second major combat operation.

It was lawless aggression. No Security Council resolution authorized it. NATO's Operation Allied Force lasted 78 days.

Washington called it Operation Noble Anvil. Evil best describes it. On June 10, operations ended.

From March 1991 through mid-June 1999, Balkan wars raged. Yugoslavia "balkanized" into seven countries. They include Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia and Slovenia.

Enormous human suffering was inflicted. Washington bears most responsibility.

mark tapley , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:23 pm GMT
@Druid55 More MSM Jew propaganda. The Zionists wanted this area to remain fractured and weak (Balkanized) so that the unified Yugoslavia could not oppose their plans. The Zionists intend to control pipelines running from Middle East into Europe. This would compete against Russia that now supplies most of the gas. All wars are about money, power and territory, this war was no exception. The Zionists need to control all energy sources and transportation routes in order to achieve hegemony.
AnonFromTN , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:28 pm GMT
@Rurik Good explanation. Orwell called this "newspeak". That's now the language of libtards.
vot tak , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:53 pm GMT
"It is difficult to find anything good to say about Donald Trump, but the reality is that he has not started any new wars"

Agree with the first part, disagree with the second. The reasons israel's trump colonials have not started new militsry invasions are mainly two. The trump reime is in the middle of a military modernization. The american zionazi colony fell behind militarily as they ran proxy terrorists and drug mafia support/colonial policing ops. Fighting wars againat those who can actually hurt them back became obsolete, or so the "end of history" neocons figured. Now they are outclassed and they can't pick on someone capable of shooting back effectively.

As for the second part, the likud colonial trump regime is doing its best to attack zionazia"s rivals any way they can mimus actually sending in troops. Times have changed, the oligarchs do war by other means than troop invasion now. The economic, biological and psywar aspects are being used full tilt by israeloamerica. What they lack the means to do on the field of battle, israel's war criminals and quislings are more than making up for it by other means.

The trump quislings have vastly increased international strife across the board and are decidedly more war mongering than israel's previous american colonial governors.

Rurik , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 10:53 pm GMT
@mark tapley

The Zionists wanted this area to remain fractured and weak (Balkanized)

I agree with all your posts.

I'd just add to this one, that by bombing Serbia, (on behalf of Muslim invaders), they were accomplishing several things.. They were ending the post WWII International Laws against unilateral military might by strong nations against weaker ones in Europe. With that act, they declared with bombs that the ZUS is now The Unilateral Power, and that the International Laws against Aggressive War was now moot.

By bombing a White Christian nation on behalf of Islam, they were also tossing a bone to Islam, as a trade off for the ongoing genocide in Palestine. Who in our times is going to complain about bombing white people? And Muslims would cheer it.

Also, as ((Gen. Wesley Clark)) explained about his bombing campaign on Serbia:

"There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That's a 19th-century idea and we are trying to transition it into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states."
– NATO's Supreme Commander, Gen. Wesley Clark

so there were myriad reasons for why ((they)) bombed Serbia into handing over its ancient and sacred lands.

mcohen , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:04 pm GMT
Passing out cookies.
Daisy cutters
So more with claymore
vot tak , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:08 pm GMT
"So the difference between neocons and liberal interventionists is one of style rather than substance."

It's neocons and neolibs, the "liberal interventionists" are as liberal as the neocons are conservative. Agree about the style and substance, though, think of the disgusting things as different/somewhat rivals management teams working for the same employer. Like the likud and labor political blocks in israel. Goals are the same, some differences in how to achieve them.

One sees this same phony duo-political scam across the capitalist "west" where right wing political parties dominate wholesale.

Rurik , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:19 pm GMT
@AnonFromTN

Orwell called this "newspeak". That's now the language of libtards.

thanks

and not just shitlibs, but across the entire length and breadth of our culture and society this Ministry of Truth-imposed doublethink masquerades as language intended to inform and explain, when it does the opposite.

George Will and Sean Hannity use newspeak with the same alacrity as Lawrence O'Donnell or Rachel Maddow. Israel has to defend itself. Putin's aggression and Russian meddling in our democracy.

'Quantitative easing' as a doubleplusgood expression for human history's most colossal case of mass-swindling the world has ever known.

it's everywhere, and the more it isn't noticed, the more sinister and diabolical it is.

It's like that Twilight Zone episode of the aliens that only wanted to 'serve man'.

'We're here to serve you'.

The writers of that episode certainly must have been thinking of a certain tribe of 'philanthropists' and owners of 'human rights' organizations.

celebrate diversity!

it's our greatest strength!

Wizard of Oz , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:23 pm GMT
@anonymous Thank you for clarifying that though you do not give any evidence beyond reason for suspicion about his role in Ukraine as to why this career diplomat should be sacked from his Ambassadorship to Greece.
vot tak , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 23, 2020 at 11:26 pm GMT
As for israel's nuland neanderthal*, this is a critter about as zionazi low as one can get. What she posits come directly from israel and its international domination freakshow. The critter is about as far right/neocon psychopathy as that subhuman element gets.

The use of these freaks by both american dem and rep colonial governorships shows how these are simply psywar front outfits pursuing the same goals for the zionazi master.

anonymous [245] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 12:24 am GMT
@Wizard of Oz My comment (#35) that you're typically and oh-so-diplomatically trying to obscure concerned the naïveté of those who think that Mr. Trump ever intended to (or could) effect any change in Uncle Sam's treatment of other countries.

But as to your concern for this "career diplomat," do you think he's too good to "be sacked" and have to work at an honest job?

Agent76 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 12:27 am GMT
@Colin Wright If a politicians lips are moving they are lying. This comes from the war parties think tank and everything they say is the total opposite every time. This group gives me great insight into thier plans and why I even bothered to share this here today. Thanks Wright!
mark tapley , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 12:31 am GMT
@AnonFromTN Democracy is a subversive term used by the Zionists, MSM and many politicians as well as lots of other people that should know better. Democracy results in mob rule that will always lead to tyranny.

The word democracy does not occur in either the Declaration of Independence or it's companion document the Constitution. That is because the founders believed it to be the worst form of government. James Madison stated that democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

It is no mistake that the word democracy is widely used. Democracies work in the Elites favor because they can steer the chaos then put their system in place when the democracy falls apart.

The founders established a system of sovereign states in a limited Republic of laws. That was the foundation of our success, not democracy.

Wizard of Oz , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 12:59 am GMT
@anonymous For an apprentice pedant you are not doing well. You seem to have overlooked Trump's very big changes in the treatment of one major foreign country, namely China.

And I am disappointed that you don't realise how much the US needs the institutional memory and the skills of career diplomats when so many ambassadorships are given to completely unqualified and unsuitable donors to the president's election campaign.

mark tapley , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 1:01 am GMT
@Druid55 Hardly anyone died. No planes used and all accounted for. Social Security Death Register about the same as usual for that day in N.Y. Bodies "jumping" out were dummies. Another false flag for the Zionist agenda of wars for Israel.
Pat Kittle , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 1:11 am GMT
Jew supremacists like Nuland & her fellow (((treasonous war criminals))) care ultimately about expanding the domain of "Greater Israel."

Fomenting hostility (if not outright war) between the world's largest primarily White countries has always been what (((they))) do.

On the home front, Black Lives Matter terrorism would go nowhere without Jew supremacist organizing, funding, censoring, & intimidating. Not that the (((shysters))) actually give a damn about Blacks!

NAME the JEW!!

Pat Kittle , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 1:15 am GMT
@vot tak Please don't conflate Nazis with these Jews.

It's unfair to Nazis.

niteranger , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 1:25 am GMT
@Anon Nuland is a Jew. Nothing to see here. She is a nutbag who wants eternal war. Whatever Israel wants .Israel gets. Whether it's Obama destroying Libya or constant friction with Russia it's the Jewish control of everything.
Ryan2 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 1:36 am GMT
What does Victoria Nuland have to gain from all this?
Money? Really? Is she a true believer? Does she consider all this to be Patriotic?
showmethereal , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 1:51 am GMT
@Jake "Christ" said His kingdom was not of this world . So going back to Emperor Constantine – the western church has gotten it wrong.
mark tapley , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 1:53 am GMT
@Jake Do you think the Catholics were any less likely to sell out? The Catholic Church was infiltrated by the cripto Jew Medicis with the placement of Leo X in 1513. The Founders of the Jesuit order were also cripto Jews.

The Jews have infiltrated all the governments of any consequence. Jewmerica has been so well infiltrated it would be more accurate to just term the situation an out in the open takeover. The Jews could have never made much headway without the shabbos goys helping them. The government of Jewmerica is full of traitors serving the Zionist Jew agenda.

vot tak , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 1:55 am GMT
@Pat Kittle Bum bandits are bum bandits.
mark tapley , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 2:14 am GMT
@Ryan2 She is a hard core Zionist Jew. She is in the clique with the most powerful criminal syndicate in existence. And they are winning. Some of them may actually believe that they are still the Chosen. Trump's Chabad Lubavich son-in-law and the Shiksa Princess are said to be disciples of Rabbi Schneerson who taught that we Gentiles were just here to "hew wood and fetch water" for the Jews. Judging from the words and deeds of the shabbos goy puppet actors like Trump, Pence, Pelosi and almost the entire congress along with most governors, an observer would think this is definitely true.
Pat Kittle , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 2:27 am GMT
@vot tak It's not that simple.

As you know, winners write history.

Jew supremacists won; Germany (& everyone else) lost.

If that wasn't the case, the world would know the Holocau$t mythology is an extortion racket, and we wouldn't be fighting the Jews' criminal wars for them to this day.

Hibernian , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 2:31 am GMT
@red rider The face that launched a thousand bombers.
Hibernian , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 2:33 am GMT
@geokat62 Malachi, not Mordechi.
Guest0206 , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 2:37 am GMT
@AnonFromTN "Grabbing the Breadbasket of Europe The East-West competition over Ukraine involves the control of natural resources, including uranium and other minerals, as well as geopolitical issues such as Ukraine's membership in NATO. The stakes around Ukraine's vast agricultural sector, the world's third largest exporter of corn and fifth largest exporter of wheat,constitute a critical factor that has been often overlooked." Whereas Ukraine does not allow the use of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in agriculture,Article 404 of the EU agreement, which relates to agriculture, includes a clause that has generally gone unnoticed: it indicates, among other things, that both parties will cooperate to extend the use of biotechnologies. There is no doubt that this provision meets the expectations of the agribusiness industry. As observed by Michael Cox, research director at the investment bank Piper Jaffray, "Ukraine and, to a wider extent, Eastern Europe, are among the "most promising growth markets for farm-equipment giant Deere, as well as seed producers Monsanto and DuPont."" https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/OurBiz_Brief_Ukraine.pdf
Regulo , says: Show Comment Next New Comment June 24, 2020 at 2:40 am GMT
@Anon "Russia" is, for US intelligence ALSO code for "French". The propaganda against Russia during the cold war and beyond, also applies to "the French" [IMO].They both had a revolution , with world wide consequences , both have the same color flag[ the US propaganda says that Russia modeled their flag from the Netherland flag, but I suspect it is modeled from the French flag. The Americans cant be too blatant about it , but that is what is going on; anti Russia animus and propaganda is also anti French animus and propaganda. [ during the cold war, my French relative who had been a communist , went to Russia to see what it was like. She was disappointed .When she subsequently tried to visit my family here in the US, she was stopped art the airport and told she could not enter the US because she had been to Russia. This was the 1960's.Apparently this two countries and people were not polarized as the US and the soviets were. A kind of mutual respect or even admiration existed perhaps. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but that has been my sense for decades. Nuland's anti European/ anti russian animus is not surprising; its rather ubiquitous in the US and when they say EU they have primarily in mind the French!
Guest0206 , says: Show Comment June 24, 2020 at 2:45 am GMT
@Druid55 Do not repeat the NATO propaganda.
See Michael Parenti's
"To Kill a Nation: The Attack on Yugoslavia"
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[Jun 21, 2020] I Have A Dream -- That This Is The Darkness Before The Race-Realist Dawn by John Derbyshire

Jun 21, 2020 | www.unz.com

... ... ...

I have a dream today, brothers and sisters. I have a dream.

My dream is of an America that has embraced race realism.

Yes, I have a dream that one day race differences in educational success will be as calmly, dispassionately accepted as race differences in athletic success; that race differences in criminal arrest and incarceration rates will be regarded with no more anger or alarm than sex differences in those same rates; that different social outcomes by race will be understood as caused not by the malice of our fellow citizens, but by ordinary processes of nature.

I have a dream that one day we shall discard magical thinking about race ; that the notion of an invisible vapor or miasma called " racism " permeating the atmosphere and intoxicating our minds will seem as quaintly absurd as the Four Humors Theory of ancient medicine or the Luminiferous Æther of 19th-century physics.

I have a dream that one day, poor white children will not have to endure being lectured about their " privilege " by rich black adults .

I have a dream that one day soon, after sixty years of futile efforts to change what cannot, in the nature of things, be changed, sixty years of twisting our constitution and our jurisprudence into knots to pretend that different statistics by race can only be caused by white people' s ill will, sixty years of vast public expenditures on educational and social programs that deliver no benefits at all (other than to those who pocket the expenditures); that one day soon, after sixty years of futility and waste, we shall accept race differences as calmly and as prudently as we accept the laws of thermodynamics.

I have a dream that with the black homicide rate at eight times the white rate, and with discrepancies of a similar size having existed since reliable records began a hundred and eighty years ago , an organization calling itself Black Lives Matter will address itself to bringing black homicide numbers down to the white level -- better yet, to the Asian level -- or else be laughed out of the public square.

I have a dream that race differences in outcomes, which are mere statistical abstractions remote from our everyday dealings, will one day matter as little to us as personal differences in outcomes. I shall never be a skilled violinist, a good tennis player, or a creative mathematician; not because of malice, "racism," or "privilege" on the part of my fellow citizens, but because of my own abilities and inclinations -- which, like almost everyone else's, are middling and un-spectacular. I do not lose sleep over this. I absolutely do not take it as an occasion to insult and berate my fellow-citizens, or deprive them of their rights.

I have a dream that our nation's past will one day be cherished for having made possible our present security and prosperity; that the ignorance and misdeeds of that past be kept in sight on a shelf, accessible to all, but never dominating our view of what our ancestors were, the heroism they displayed in defense of our civilization, and the great good things they did.

I have a dream that one day freedom of association, which picks no man's pocket and breaks no man's leg, will be restored to us.

I have a dream that the evil and divisive doctrines of "disparate impact" and "affirmative action" will be scrubbed from our jurisprudence; that hiring into civil-service work -- including police work and firefighting -- will be strictly meritocratic; and that young black Americans will no longer, just to satisfy the whims of smug college admissions officers and innumerate jurists, will no longer be pushed into academic college programs they can't cope with and will drop out from .

I have a dream that my two beautiful children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character

(With apologies -- well, actually, with no apologies -- to Dr. Martin Luther King) .

John Derbyshire [ email him ] writes an incredible amount on all sorts of subjects for all kinds of outlets. (This no longer includes National Review, whose editors had some kind of tantrum and fired him. ) He is the author of We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism and several other books . He has had two books published by VDARE.com com: FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT ( also available in Kindle ) and FROM THE DISSIDENT RIGHT II: ESSAYS 2013 .


Anonymous [534] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:28 am GMT

Dream on

https://www.youtube.com/embed/SMiounEnKVw?feature=oembed

silviosilver , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:44 am GMT
A pleasant reverie indeed.
Ad70titusrevenge , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:45 am GMT
Jewish elites won't let this happen.
Peter Johnson , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:26 am GMT
That is my dream too, brother. Let us work to make it happen.

Remember Keynes: "Practical men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist. Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back".

Let us hope that the HBD "academic scribblers" like yourself can push the message forward.

If only Trump, or someone with similar prominence, could give your speech!

swamped , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:35 am GMT
"I have a dream today, brothers and sisters. I have a dream.
My dream is of an America that has embraced race realism".
"I have a dream that one day we shall discard magical thinking about race; that the notion of an invisible vapor or miasma called".. 'Anti-Semitism'.. "permeating the atmosphere and intoxicating our minds will seem as quaintly absurd as the Four Humors Theory of ancient medicine or the Luminiferous Æther of 19th-century physics."
"I have a dream that one day, poor".. Gentile.. "children will not have to endure being lectured about their 'privilege' by [ultra] rich".. Jewish adults. Or be taught any more so-called holocaust guilt.
"I have a dream that one day soon, after[almost] sixty years of futile efforts to change what cannot, in the nature of things, be changed, [almost] sixty years of twisting our constitution and our jurisprudence into knots to pretend that".. Israel's illegitimate military Occupation & America's uncritical material & immoral support for it.. "can only be caused by"..Palestinians'.. "ill will, sixty years of vast public expenditures on".. Israel's war machine and security.. "programs that deliver no benefits at all (other than to those who pocket the expenditures); that one day soon, after sixty years of futility and waste, we shall".. end all aid of any kind to Israel, forever.
And a dream that we accept religious differences about the causes of Crucifixion & Salvation "as calmly and as prudently as we accept the laws of thermodynamics."
"I have a dream that the evil and divisive doctrines of" ..'Jewish nationalism' and 'Aryan eradication'.. "will be scrubbed from our jurisprudence; that hiring into"..elite echelons -- including Hollywood and Wall Street – .."will be strictly meritocratic" ..and that young Jewish Americans, will no longer be pushed into high positions just because they bar mitzvah.
And finally, "I have a dream that my two beautiful children will one day" ..not fall prey to some future Jeffrey Epstein or Harvey Weinstein. Amen
anon [417] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:53 am GMT
Dream on.

The sad fact is that America is destined for dictatorship with these demographics, and with the aid of technology it will be stable far into this century. Worse, Americans do not want freedom, or at least they do not prioritize freedom over luxury. If they did, they would have risen up long ago; Red States, at the very least, would be preparing for secession. We'll have to face facts that normies are normies not because they are asleep, they are asleep because they are normies -- something that cannot be changed because it has a genetic basis (you cannot transmute sheep into wolves). As long as the supply of hamburgers, diet coke, and sportsball continues, obsequious whites will keep their heads down, going along to get along no matter what happens.

Things will get bad. As it is now, nearly every company is running racial agitation propaganda on behalf of the government. Go into any Walmart and you'll be treated to overhead announcements berating America's history of racism and apologizing to blacks; it's like something straight out of 1984 (or the movie Red Dawn , 1984 -- seriously check the movie for the scene I'm referencing). They are censoring and banning movies, purging politically incorrect themepark rides, and internet search results; they've been censoring books for years now (many school districts have banned Huck Fin and Tom Sawywer, among others) and that will surely get worse.

If you want a book like Gone With The Wind , I would suggest you buy it now before they ban it. Just a few months ago I picked up the DVD in a bargain bin. At the time the person I was with didn't get why. "This isn't the kind of movie you usually watch." However, being awake unlike your average normie, I saw all of this coming in advance. I explained to my companion that I was getting it now before they banned it. And wouldn't you know it, a few months later they are taking tentative steps to banning the movie. It won't be the last or the worst example. If you are willing to tear down statues, rename military bases, and ban / edit movies and theme park rides based on them, then the next logical step is banning books -- burning them, essentially. Amazon is already doing this; they refuse to ship or stock controversial books.

For my part, I've been buying old books and movies, preparing for the day when I can copy them to a digital format and distribute them once the dictatorship bans them. Tellingly, I'm not the only one. I went back to that same store today. EVERY copy of Gone With The Wind and lots of other old movies were cleared out and they had a huge selection! Get them now gents. The darkness is coming.

I would also suggest every European-American who can do so prepare to flee overseas. Lots of dissidents I read have stated they are giving that thought. American conservatives are behind the scenes. TAC's Rod Dreher had a piece on that website detailing this. Many in DC are preparing to flee to central and Eastern Europe because there is no hope for this country. It's all coming down.

Side note: Thanks libertarians. Thanks for letting five companies control everything, thereby easily allowing a totalitarian dictatorship to take hold. "How does communism happen?" they always say. Answer: You're how it happens. Your philosophy is just an excuse to be lazy and not contribute. You want freedom but yet you aren't willing to do anything to conserve your freedom. Meanwhile, radical leftists who don't believe in letting you have any freedom marched through the institutions and are now preparing to unleash Red October. SMH. Thanks guys. I hope "muh private company" dogma was worth it.

The Germ Theory of Disease , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:35 am GMT
And then you woke up, and your pillow was gone.
The Alarmist , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:55 am GMT
Dream on Remember the bad old rayciss days when we'd never be caught dead listening to stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/gxrws7omOHQ?feature=oembed

Renoman , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:47 am GMT
The truth will get you fired every time these days, the kids are wrecking the country, the poor stupid lil bastards have no clue and they will be paying huge taxes for their efforts.
Ͳommy Ͳurmoil , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:51 am GMT
She did not understand that the law is not the same for everybody.
Realist , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:00 am GMT
@anon

As long as the supply of hamburgers, diet coke, and sportsball continues, obsequious whites will keep their heads down, going along to get along no matter what happens.

Most Americans are a stupid lot.

Some Guy , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:56 am GMT
In a couple of years we should have polygenic scores that can predict IQ and educational achievement pretty accurately on an individual level. Could lead to a de-emphasis on race?
unit472 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 12:00 pm GMT
My dreams is a little different.

I dreamed James Earl Ray had not shot Martin Luther King and we'd never learned who Jesse Jackson was. That King would have been exposed as a sybaritic plagiarist whose personal scandals were exposed in the Washington Post and left him a stained and discredited figure with no eponymous national holiday and instead of the perma grief stricken mask of Coretta Scott King we would have scene her for the last time in divorce court cleaning out Martin's bank account.

brabantian , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 12:02 pm GMT
Hopefully things won't end up as in the Kurt Vonnegut novel, 'Harrison Bergeron 2081' – made into a short film in 2009 –

About a USA in which a Constitutional amendment enforces total equality for all persons, the head of government being a 'Handicapper General' who declares what burdens, masks, weights limitations etc you must carry, so as not to be considered as having any personal aspect of life or self better than your neighbours

Trailer for the film (full film seems online too at the moment)

https://www.youtube.com/embed/q5-4DzMzcLk?feature=oembed

mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 12:30 pm GMT
Our indispensable founder Benjamin Franklin said "There is a great danger to The United States, this danger is the Jew. If they are not excluded from the United States by the Constitution, within less than 100 years they will stream into this country in such numbers they will rule and destroy us and change our form of government for which we Americans have shed our blood and sacrificed life property and personal freedom. If the Jews are not excluded, within 200 years our children will be working in the fields to feed the Jews while they remain in the counting-house gleefully rubbing their hands. " And this was long before the criminal syndicate of Zionism was added to supercharge the problem.

The Zionist Jews now have a strangle hold on our government that has continued to get worse since 1913 when Warburg engineered the Unconstitutional Central Bank. No Senator will vote against the Jew front aIPAC and hardly any House member. The Jews have always controlled the MSM whores and the so called entertainment industry. The seeds of the present contrived riots (Floyd "murder" is gov. false flag – see Miles Mathis updates) were planted by the Jews with gov. operative MLK (see Miles Mathis on this scam also) and the negroes as the proxy warriors.

Jewmerica has become little more than a satellite and peon for the Kazar thugs to ring out our money and furnish our military (Israeli foreign Legion) to shake down one country at a time for the syndicate bosses. Shabbos Goy Trump works only for the Jews and even though a minor detail hen and out Jew ass licker Congress has even added to the insult by mandating that the public indoctrination centers (expensive poorly functioning schools) "teach" about the ridiculous Holohaux myth. I believe the Ann Frank shit is also included. Her wealthy family of hucksters is also covered on the Mathis updates. As some one has already mentioned Trump, Pence and all of our shabbos goy Congress should have to lick the bathroom stalls and toilets in Zionist Jew Sheldon Adelson's Casino. Maybe he would up the donation to the Republican side of the political facade.

The syndicate knows that 95% of the goyim will never do anything as long as they get 1 meal per day. I guess I should not have been surprised about all the cucks going around with the idiotic masks fearing the fake virus used as a cover by the Elite for another wealth transfer to the super rich as in 08-09. it's not as it our wonderful gov. has never lied tom us before. Everything they do is a lie and a fraud. The same Zionist clique that did the wars, 911 and WMD's are doing the fake virus and the latest false flag Floyd hoax just like Sandy Hook Boston and Los Vegas. When we are all in Agenda 21 maybe some of them will wake up.

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:05 pm GMT
@anon

Thanks libertarians.

Your philosophy is just an excuse to be lazy and not contribute.

Yes, a minuscule group that is openly mocked by every powerful political faction in America is your whipping hobby-horse. How proud you all must be.

Except that last quoted bit of yours exposes what's real. You and every silly wailer against the only political philosophy of integrity are so ashamed of yourselves that you cling to the lamest of all fallacies (straw man) whenever your shame threatens to rise to layer 1.

The embarrassing truth: All your participatory 'action' is futility in search of a trophy -- the kind your type most excoriates publicly. It's always been the stealthy building and self-applying of slave chains, and the actual result (regression) of all your non-'lazy' furious activity is now exposed to even the most brainless ass; your asperity is for none other than precious ass #1 -- yourselves.

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But that's too painful, so the disgust is projected at the exposers of your slave mentality -- slavery that was always under cover, but which cover is being withdrawn by events. Now you're starting to see that all your frenzied 'good government bullshit' was always purposeful, protective denial of what was obvious to libertarians.

Lazy? Up yours. My path, carving out liberty in a local wasteland, and living as ethically as possible among the demented slaves, has been rough.

Go pull more voting levers, Wizard of Poz. Just know that every time you piss on liberty folk, it's hatred of your own slavery and wasted years driving it. You're slowly recognizing that you were Cool Hand Luke in his beaten state, digging all of Boss Edgecomb's dirt out of Boss Blowhard's hole, and back again. Well, look around at what all you ball-less, compromising slugs created.

One need only listen to what the average 'conservative' advocates in private to see his revealed shame. He spends time thinking of ways to make bolshie Frankensteins of 5-120 years prior live and breathe 'effectively'. He's the pothole patch boy for leftists. And he wants medals of commendation for all of his great work dressing up communism as 'cohesive policy' by way of 'comprehensive reform'. Enjoy the world you created, man of 'action'. I didn't do it; I fought it at every step.

Jack McArthur , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:50 pm GMT
"I have a dream that race differences in outcomes, which are mere statistical abstractions remote from our everyday dealings, will one day matter as little to us as personal differences in outcomes. I shall never be a skilled violinist, a good tennis player, or a creative mathematician; not because of malice, "racism," or "privilege" on the part of my fellow citizens, but because of my own abilities and inclinations -- which, like almost everyone else's, are middling and un-spectacular. I do not lose sleep over this. I absolutely do not take it as an occasion to insult and berate my fellow-citizens, or deprive them of their rights."

and that is humility.

Dr. X , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:48 pm GMT

I have a dream that one day soon, after sixty years of futile efforts to change what cannot, in the nature of things, be changed, sixty years of twisting our constitution and our jurisprudence into knots to pretend that different statistics by race can only be caused by white people' s ill will, sixty years of vast public expenditures on educational and social programs that deliver no benefits at all (other than to those who pocket the expenditures); that one day soon, after sixty years of futility and waste, we shall accept race differences as calmly and as prudently as we accept the laws of thermodynamics.

"And then I woke up and smelled my nice, white, Long Island suburb burning as black mobs from South Jamaica, Queens looted it and set it on fire."

Sorry, Derb. You were the one who wrote We Are Doomed. You of all people should know better.

Priss Factor , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:13 pm GMT
"IT'S OVER, AMERICA": TULSA POLICE MAJOR SAYS COPS ACROSS COUNTRY ON VERGE OF QUITTING

https://www.bitchute.com/video/UPuN6yhF5PPM/

Eugene , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:18 pm GMT
It's too late. The future necessarily belongs to a eugenicist state willing to deploy CBRN capability to cull populations which are by definition unfit to survive. The only opposition to such a state would be nonhuman intelligences.
Ray P , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:19 pm GMT
@anon In Red Dawn the Soviet occupiers offered free performances of old movies . I don't recall the commies smashing the town statue down either even though it bore the words of evil old imperialist Teddy Roosevelt .

Countdown to Steve Sailer posting about musicians' unions 5 4 3 2 1.

mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:44 pm GMT
@unit472 MLK was martyered by the gov. in order to gain maximum benefit whereas he was a constant liability if kept on the payroll. He was addicted to drugs and prostitutes. It is most likely that his death was faked as were the 911 plane victims (no planes involved) and psyops like the Los Vegas shootings as well as the recent Arbery and now the Floyd scam. The gov. has done this for a long time.

As far as the Washington Post it was for many years controlled by Katherine Meyer Graham, daughter of Eugene Meyer, one of the big Jew handlers of the syphilitic shabbos goy puppet Woodrow Wilson. Meyer was also Chairman of the Jew controlled FED during the Hoover administration. Hoover was a former mining engineer who worked for one of the Rothschilds companies and supplied much needed aid to the Bolsheviks during the Russian Rev. under the guise of humanitarian aid. Meyer later was the first president of the World Bank during the Pendergast criminal shabbos goy Truman Presidency. The Washington Post like all the other MSM was and is just a propaganda instrument for the zionist elite.

James N. Kennett , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:47 pm GMT
"That's not who we are" is the ultimate statement of identity politics. It deliberately excludes large numbers of people from "we".

And I am sorry to report that the dream is just that – a dream. For us, any victory will be fleeting, because Conquest's Second Law dictates that organizations inevitably drift to the Left. Secondly, the proverb is wrong. It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.

Dieter Kief , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:03 pm GMT
What what – The Four Humors Theory was quite reasonable while it lasted. Race Illusions never were – nor are they. Please, dear Mr. Derb, don't make – ehhh – sacrifices on the basis of wrong assumptions. We need our glorious past for any future that'd be human. Thank you so much! – Only Love !
botazefa , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:06 pm GMT
@mark tapley Wikipedia says your Franklin quote is a forgery: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Prophecy

"The Franklin Prophecy", sometimes called "The Franklin Forgery", is an antisemitic speech falsely attributed to Benjamin Franklin, warning of the supposed dangers of admitting Jews to the nascent United States. The speech was purportedly transcribed by Charles Cotesworth Pinckney during the Constitutional Convention of 1787, but was unknown before its appearance in 1934 in the pages of William Dudley Pelley's Silver Legion pro-Nazi weekly magazine Liberation. No evidence exists for the document's authenticity, and some of the author's claims have actively been disproven.

Priss Factor , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:09 pm GMT
Hitler the SJW. LOL

https://www.bitchute.com/video/PxZvm9vcbfad/

mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:28 pm GMT
@swamped The young women that were lured by Ghislaine Maxwell into Epstein's brothel for the elite didn't fall prey to anything but sin. I suppose they got paid just like other prostitutes. What is most notable to me is that the men that were involved in this degradation seem to suffer no repercussions. The obnoxious Trump is a known womanizer and friend of Epstein as was the smirking degenerate Bill Clinton who was a regular on the Lolita Express. As for Prince Andrew, him and all of the Sybaritic royal parasites should have been gotten rid of long ago.

I have questions about Weinstein. I admit that I don't know much about legal matters but how is someone convicted of a crime when there is no evidence or even a reliable witness to a crime? I didn't follow this real close but I read that some of the alleged victims texed him later to leave Current cell no's. and maintain social contact. Doesn't seem to me like they were too traumatized. What's that phrase they use -"I was violated". Did any of them go to the hospital. Did any of them even file a police report. Why did they wait for years to say something. If I was a woman I would have never have met with him outside of a strictly business situation in the first place. But then I'm not a Hollywood whore looking to get into one of the Jews shit films. I have no use for The Zionist Jew scum Weinstein and I admit I am only a casual observer but it seems to me that there is a problem here. I don't think we got the real story.

mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:09 pm GMT
@botazefa Thanks for pointing out this error. The fact that Charles Beard affirmed this to be a forgery is good enough for me. I should have been more careful.

When we realize the disastrous effects of the Zionist Conspiracy on Western civilization that has been at work officially since 1897 but insidiously since at least the French Revolution and tracking the Zionist hand in both foreign and domestic matters in U.S. policy I got careless. It is always necessary to check more than one source. The fact that our shabbos goy politicians become more obsequious to the Kazar crime syndicate and to their Jew organizations such as aIPAC all the time should be of great concern to all real Americans. There is no amount of blood or treasure that Trump, Pence, Pelosi and many of the other traitors in Congress and the gov. at large would not expend for the Zionist objectives.

Achmed E. Newman , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:24 pm GMT
I loved the speech, Mr. Derbyshire, absolutely LUVED it. Did you plagiarize it from the same guy that Martin Luther dude did?
mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:50 pm GMT
@Peter Johnson I think a speech of this caliber would be well over Trump's adolescent 5th grade level. He has trouble stringing two sentences together. A complex series of subject matter would be well beyond his ability. Now he is quick to tell us how smart he is, even graduating from Wharton but you know how that works. Same as with his Chabad Lubavich son-in-law. Trump's speeches mainly consist of telling us how much he loves Israel. Thats why the Jews picked him in the first place. It's only because he was running against the old desiccated Zionist criminal Hillary that he was elected.
lloyd , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:21 pm GMT
@mark tapley Winstein left children alone. He was a pig but as far as I know he did love movies and made some good quality ones. Don't ask me what they were. I have long given up on popular culture. In the theatre and cinema world, it is the norm for women to get their breaks by screwing the director. Theatre is a narcisstic sociopathic profession. The second oldest profession. I recall in novel Thorn Birds, the young women ranch heiress takes up the theatre profession by losing her virginity to her director. She laughed all through the consummation. Has anyone ever noticed there is no such thing as an ugly movie female star? Well ugly enough to repel a man physically. Plenty of equivalents with male stars. It is curious in America how celebrities come crashing if they at a rare moment speak out against Israel. Weinstein produced a movie that showed the Palestinian side. Polanski still waltzes in Europe having never said a word against Israel. That third rail has now extended to all the cultural Marxist groups. Bill Cosby's immunity quickly disappeared when he criticised black youth hoods.
attilathehen , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:29 pm GMT
Badwhite Derbyshire, your Chinese shithole of a home is one helluva nightmare. You cannot awaken from or flee this dark space and there will never be dawn for you.

Here are some race realism facts with which you must deal. There are 3 racial groups: Caucasoids, Mongoloids and Negroids. Caucasoids have the highest IQs and are the racial group who developed the West. Mongoloids are a distance second in IQ and Negroids are last. Your Chinese family is a second tier race. Your below average Chinese offspring are proof. They will be judged as inferior, non-Western and a fifth column in America.

Your VDare scribblings have become unhinged.

Here's a stupid one: https://vdare.com/posts/john-derbyshire-asks-what-s-wrong-with-white-women
There are no white women in your life, only Chinese females. Focus on the degeneracy and stupidity of your Chinese females. "White" is meaningless because in New York City there are many Ashkenazi Jews so the "white women" protesting there are not Western women. I put the Ashkenazis in the Caucasoid category but because they are Jewish, they are not Western. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim.

Here is another deranged scribbling: https://vdare.com/posts/jiang-qing-lead-player-in-china-s-cultural-cultural-revolution-loved-gone-with-the-wind
You no have idea why the salope Jiang Qing liked the movie. Maybe she was morbidly fascinated by big, black Mammy Hattie McDaniel. Your Chinese females are fascinated by negroid males – they voted for Obummer.

The only cure for you insanity is to move to China with your family.

lloyd , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:42 pm GMT
@mark tapley It appears to have been a literary device. Like the prophecy of Gamaliel in the Saint Luke gospel. Also the prophecies by Indian chiefs. Take someone well known in popular culture and put into his mouth words that are surprising and prophetic. It enters the popular culture as prophecy. There is no record Gamaliel had anything to do with Christianity, the Indian chiefs were materialist opportunists, and Franklin was a Masonist whic is tied to Zion.
neutral , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:31 pm GMT
@botazefa Forgery or not, the fact is that jews streamed in and destroyed America.
mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:39 pm GMT
@lloyd I was not aware of this deception being a literary device. To me this is a verbal fraud similar to bearing false witness or a lie. As to Franklin's membership in the Masonic Lodge I believe this was quite prevalent in those days. I had read that when Washington was informed by a minister that the Masons harbored conspiratory elements he wrote back that in ap. 20 years he had only attended 1 or 2 meetings and that he immediately resigned. Even though Washington had some good qualities I believe he was an unscrupulous aggrandizing opportunist so he may have been more involved than reported.
Justvisiting , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:58 pm GMT
@Eugene AI is coming–and when it does human slavery will be back.

AI will conclude humans are lazy, lying, violent, unproductive, stupid–and it will find claims of "human rights" to be no more relevant than the bleating of animals in the farm-yard.

That is the dirty little secret hidden behind the curtain.

Number Six , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1:09 am GMT
@Peter Johnson Americans believe in the Martin Looter King American Dream because you have to be asleep sheeple to believe it.
Daniel H , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1:13 am GMT
They are nice looking kids. I congratulate you and your wife.
Jiminy , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 2:03 am GMT
@Justvisiting It's funny you should say that because I was thinking that the only way to have an unbiased police force would be to eliminate the human aspect, sack the coppers, and replace them with a.i. machines. All personal feelings and reactions are gone only to be replaced with the knowledge of the laws that were broken. No grey areas. Depends a lot on who is doing the programming though- things could end up worse for everybody. Hell, come to think of it , this was a movie plot!
John Johnson , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:10 am GMT
@schnellandine Libertarians may be a small party but many their erroneous beliefs have been adopted by mainstream conservatives.

You see race doesn't exist, it's just "big gubmint" that is holding down Blacks.

A heart warming theory that ticks certain feely good boxes but bulls–t none the less.

The Germans under Communism still managed to have a standard of living far higher than any sub-Saharan African capitalist country. Ooooh but that's just by chance or something.

Libertarianism is the biggest bunch of BS.

Your dope queen Ayn Rand couldn't even debate her silly ideas. She would just scream at people and avoid tough questions just like liberals. Libertarianism is based on the same major flaw as liberalism which is that race doesn't exist (but she made exceptions for Israel).

Charles , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:12 am GMT
If he believes these things can come to pass no, barring revolution, they cannot. But simply stating them is important because truth is always of value, no matter the circumstances. Even if one is the only sane man in a room (or city or state or ), he still has the moral right and obligation to speak. I do believe we are far, far away from the "darkest hour". And I do believe only an organized, armed revolution can make any difference, which I do not believe will happen in my lifetime, if ever (I'm 51).
John Johnson , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:38 am GMT
@Justvisiting You watch too much teevee.

If anything AI will be used to sniff out potentially RAYCISS people online.

But it doesn't really matter since technology will ultimately work against liberal lies. Eventually the genes for intelligence will be identifiable with a simple DNA test and liberals will have to explain why we can't do cross-population testing since it should prove their core theory that race doesn't exist.

So we are probably headed to Brazil but the cat will eventually be out of the bag. I assume most liberals at the higher levels are terrified of the dirty White masses being told it was all a lie which is why they are so opposed to borders. They want Whites to be a minority and not just a plurality when DNA is fully unraveled.

Rex Little , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 4:50 am GMT

Luminiferous Æther

How do you create that jumbled-together A and E?

Peter D. Bredon , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 7:11 am GMT
@mark tapley "I was not aware of this deception being a literary device. "

Gotta love the goyim. The entire "New Testament" consists of fictional statements attributed to "authorities."

"Who wrote this gnostic tripe?" No, it's a gospel of John. "Which John?" Um, maybe the brother of Jesus, or maybe the guy who wrote those epistles. Oh, did you like that "Revelation"? Yeah, it's that John.

Christianity has been a "forgery factory" (Bart Ehrman) from the get go.

Amerimutt Golems , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 8:35 am GMT
Racial separation is more pragmatic.

BTW Derbs Blighty is now literally turning into another South Africa while feckless Brits are still a majority. I was telling Jonathan Cook about white farmers and albinos in Africa. This is now happening in Londonistan.

While police watch, natives are being beaten at random by imported hordes yet the (((media))) is calling victims 'far-right'.

Black Lives Matter supporter carries 'far-Right' protester at London Waterloo station
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8417925/Black-Lives-Matter-supporter-carries–far-Right-protester-London-Waterloo-station.html

Dieter Kief , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 10:23 am GMT
@Some Guy

In a couple of years we should have polygenic scores that can predict IQ and educational achievement pretty accurately on an individual level. Could lead to a de-emphasis on race?

But we have IQ-tests already – only to be told, how a) unscientific and b) how racist they are.

PS
Grammarly about my comment: Optimistic – high five! – – – Isn't it Ironic?

Some Guy , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 12:44 pm GMT
@Dieter Kief Yeah, but IQ scores partly depend on environment, which is all the excuse people need to dismiss them. They can't do that with polygenic scores.
peterike , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1:50 pm GMT
@botazefa

Wikipedia says your Franklin quote is a forgery:

Fake but accurate, as the media would say.

KenH , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1:53 pm GMT
A few more normies might have been shaken out of their race doesn't matter slumber but the elites will triple down on the state religion of anti-racism (anti-whiteness). The non-Jewish white elites know that to oppose anti-racism is a supreme act of sacrilege and the last thing they want is to be known as infidels to the new glorious religion of militant multiculturalism.
Forbes , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 2:45 pm GMT
@The Alarmist We (my brothers and I) grew up hearing Nat King Cole played in my father's household, so nope, no bad old raysis days in my formative years.
rashomoan , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:12 pm GMT
@botazefa Forgery definition from the Cambridge dictionary. note all definitions include the word copy:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/forgery

Reminds me of the critiques of The Protocols.

Exile , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:15 pm GMT
@anon

Side note: Thanks libertarians.

You misspelled "Jews."

Exile , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:22 pm GMT
Derb, your dreams will never be realized until you face the "J-thing." You've been trapped in their dream-nightmare of "White identity = ovens" for your entire life.

J-thing political donors, J-thing media control, J-thing financiers, J-thing academics and J-thing judges & lawyers won't let you have your dream.

Tono Bungay , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:38 pm GMT
But, Mr. Derbyshire, what about the young people who can't dream out loud without losing their jobs and putting their children's nourishment at risk? What's in your dream for them today?
Tono Bungay , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:43 pm GMT
@mark tapley That quotation from Benjamin Franklin is most likely apocryphal. Or do you have evidence otherwise?
Justvisiting , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:55 pm GMT
@John Johnson Actually, I spit at the TV but I read way too much science fiction.

The consensus among a lot of the sharp science fiction writers is that aggressive and hostile AI will become emergent, and humans will be too stupid to know what hit them.

John Johnson , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 3:58 pm GMT
I have a dream that the evil and divisive doctrines of "disparate impact" and "affirmative action" will be scrubbed from our jurisprudence; that hiring into civil-service work -- including police work and firefighting -- will be strictly meritocratic

I don't see how this is possible.

Even if the establishment were to acknowledge that racial inequality would exist without racism that would still lead to fretting liberal egalitarians and Conservative Inc types trying to equalize what they can.

So Black police and firefighters in Black areas would still be highly sought to "match the community" or some other excuse and hired over better qualified Whites.

This happens in education all the time. I've known two White men that were unable to get jobs in education for being the wrong race/gender combination despite having degrees. One was even told to not bother applying anywhere on the blue side of the state. Why would acknowledging race change anything? Liberals would just come up with the excuse that Black kids really need Black teachers because nature is unfair and we have to do what we can on the environmental side.

The problem is the egalitarian mindset. The White desire to constantly try and fix everything in nature.

S , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 4:43 pm GMT
@Ray P In Red Dawn the Soviets even culturally appropriated the local McDonald's.

McDonald's got the last laugh, though, when circa 1990 they would open a McD's in Red Square.

Truth , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 5:14 pm GMT
Hey Derb, if you are going to win that race war, you need to find this Kat and clone him 50,000 times. This is WITHOUT A DOUBT the hardest Honkee in America!

Dude ate that tazer blast like an M&M, then dropped a magic spell on the pig to keep his pistol in the holster, then hopped up in his ride and did some Dominc Torretta shit.

Who can tell me the difference between this incident & #RayshardBrooks ? #BlackLivesMatter pic.twitter.com/qNLXkFa5aD

-- Hector for Congress NJ08 (@Oseguera2020) June 14, 2020

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 5:28 pm GMT
@Justvisiting

aggressive and hostile AI will become emergent, and humans will be too stupid to know what hit them.

Murder micro-drones are just around the corner, if not here. Defense against is probably a good business to start now.

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 9:41 pm GMT
@John Johnson

Libertarians may be a small party but many their erroneous beliefs have been adopted by mainstream conservatives.

Cato & Koch Inc. aren't libertarian. Neither are the Libertarian Party and many others. Ayn Rand wasn't libertarian either, though she was closer than most, despite supposedly loathing libertarians.

You see race doesn't exist, it's just "big gubmint" that is holding down Blacks.

Anti-racism isn't a libertarian tenet. I've seen stupid people such as Ron Paul insist that libertarianism forbids racism because 'collectivist', but he's off his rocker. I argue that the NAP (non-aggression principle), foundation of libertarianism, likely encourages rational racism (i.e. recognition that races differ in intelligence, abilities, etc.) more than any other political philosophy. I'm a racist and libertarian, though I hold no race as superior in regard to 'natural rights'.

You'd agree, I guess, that the state truly does prevent blacks from progressing, in the sense that it treats them like spoiled tots, above responsibility or reproach.

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Your dope queen Ayn Rand couldn't even debate her silly ideas. She would just scream at people and avoid tough questions just like liberals.

C'mon, that's just horse crap. She was, though imperfect, one of the best debaters in American history. She was wrong about a few things, but the only time I saw her refuse to debate someone (Donahue guest Q&A) was for sound, non-cowardly reason, and she urged that someone else -- a non-jackass -- present the same question and she would answer that person.

Interesting that the popular 'takedowns' of Rand rely heavily/exclusively on straw man fallacy. Gets annoying after a while.

I can easily piss on a few things by Rand, but not before acknowledging that she was a monumentally superior intellect, a bright star in a dull world. Still love her as though she were my blood sister. She improved the world, though I can't say the same about most of her insane/confused devotees.

Anonymous [139] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 10:56 pm GMT
@Some Guy If "White privilege" really is the ability of European descended Whites to live in the industrial civilization that European descended Whites developed, then polygenic ("many gene") scores will merely be used to demonstrate that European descended Whites really are inherently and unreformably racist, being born with abilities that "they didn't earn", and that European descended Whites must be enslaved as per the Civil Rights acts of the 1960s as expanded under the Bakke decision.
Some Guy , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 11:48 pm GMT
@Anonymous Some will try to use it that way, sure, but most whites will realize that whites are better of on their own and that it's no more their fault that some races do worse than it is the fault of East Asians.
Not Only Wrathful , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 12:23 am GMT

"there is no place for hate within our organization"

Rather than accepting their hate and finding the (often paradoxical) wisdom shrouded within, they prohibit themselves, and others, from accepting its presence.

Through this, they learn nothing, and instead turn hatred in on themselves, and wonder why they always feel like such constipated, joyless bores.

lloyd , says: Website Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 12:56 am GMT
@mark tapley Franklin is not Washington as China is not North Korea. My small town news paper reported that a woman was a cleaner in a Masonic Lodge. She witnessed a Masonic initiation. When the Masons found out, they told her she had to join the Masonic Lodge. Rather parallel to the novel and movie, Rosemary's Baby. The woman spent the rest of her very modest life in it. Recently human bones were discovered in the basement of the London home of Franklin. There was a lot of hedging and rationalisations in MSM about that. Rather surprising as one would have thought they would have done a great deal, CNN, movies etc. on that slur on a founding father.
Reg Cæsar , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 3:18 am GMT
"The population of Austin, TX is 48.8% White Alone, 32.7% Hispanic or Latino, and 8.13% Black or African American Alone. 32% of the people in Austin, TX speak a non-English language, and 87.5% are U.S. citizens." – https://datausa.io/profile/geo/austin-tx/

Austin is just about to exceed a million, so this means there are half-a-million whites there. It's the 28th-whitest city if you count Hispanics, 36th if you don't. I can't find a ranking of cities by absolute numbers of whites; can any of you?

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/cities/rank/white-population-percentage

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/cities/rank/white-not-hispanic-population-percentage

Interestingly, the PBS series Molly of Denali has a black man and his daughter who have just moved there from Austin, Texas. The fan sites say he's connected to the Coast Guard, but there is only an Auxhiliary flotilla in Austin, and I doubt anything near Mt McKinley.

Still, I can understand how even a black man would want to escape Portland-on-the-Colorado.

S , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 3:39 am GMT
The anti-race people (euphamastically called 'anti-racists') are biological flat earthers.

And like the flat earthers, their ideological premise that race is not real is fundamentally flawed.

Richard B , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 6:07 am GMT
@Ad70titusrevenge

Jewish elites won't let this happen.

That's exactly right.

Which is why what we're really witnessing is nothing less than

The Pyrrhic Victory of Jewish Supremacy Inc.

Expletive Deleted , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 6:22 am GMT

I have a dream that one day we shall discard magical thinking about race; that the notion of an invisible vapor or miasma called "racism"

British monuments lately slated for toppling by the Red Guards
Robert Peel
W E Gladstone

Richly deserved, I say. I mean, any one who could fester on like this ought to be summarily unpersoned cancelled

The difference of race is one of the reasons why I fear war may always exist because race implies difference, difference implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance.

Oops that was Lord Beaconsfield, a certain .. Benjamin Disraeli.
Implacable enemy of many an Englishman, in particular Bobby Peel and Billy Gladstone. Bastard Fenian sympathisers that they were.

Now, about all those statues?

Justvisiting , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 2:38 pm GMT
@schnellandine Ayn Rand was the one who kept me from being indoctrinated by leftist professors in my young days.

I knew every lie they told the moment they told it.

That was a wonderful gift, and I am forever grateful to her for it.

Of course she was human and did dumb stuff, and she had crazy followers who did more dumb stuff, but I think of her like a kindly aunt who sent me intellectual "checks" once a month.

She was heads and shoulders above her sociopath critics.

Her courage was amazing–she came to Boston (leftist central) for year after year and faced her enemies.

The world would be an amazingly good place if we had just a few more folks like her today.

Achmed E. Newman , says: Website Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 5:40 pm GMT
@schnellandine

I've seen stupid people such as Ron Paul insist that libertarianism forbids racism because 'collectivist', but he's off his rocker.

Schnell, it may not be easy for you to dig up, but try to show me some writing of Mr. Paul in which he says Libertarianism forbids racism. I could see "Libertarians aren't racist" or "Racists can't be Libertarians" (which I don't agree with, of course). However, I really have never heard him or any non- Reason _mag-idiot Libertarian say that the philosophy forbids racism or racists.

I think Dr. Paul would not argue against the principle of freedom of association when it come down to it. He is just is naive about which ethnic groups and races in the US will support anything libertarian-oriented. Without white guys, the number of Libertarians would be miniscule.

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 6:18 pm GMT
@Achmed E. Newman Predictably, for something so stupid to have been said, it would have been done while trying to whore himself into the US presidency. I followed that travesty (in true sense of word) closely, and will find source. As I recall, it was in the form (verbal to media) of racism being an impossibility within libertarianism, because racism's collectivist. Will be difficult to dig up, but I'll do it. Guaranteed it was in reaction to the newsletter tempest. He would've sold his mother down the river that week.

Funny, but I'll bet there are tens of things that could be recalled from his campaigns that now, outside the frenzy, shine out as embarrassingly as the alleged racism prohibition. If including his minor supporters, make that hundreds. Was a shameful time for liberty pretenders.

Will leave citation as second reply to your comment, probably within 24 hrs.

Slimer , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 8:22 pm GMT
You know what'd be a good movie? Derb's daughter brings home a ragamuffin black kid off the street for dinner one night, whom she sees sleeping on a park bench because his Engineering scholarship doesn't cover room and board. At first encounter the Derb is peeved that she'd even think of bringing such FILTH to his doorstep, much less letting him in the house. He paces the floor in the manner of a dispirited cuckold, wondering where it all went wrong, before mumbling obscenities under his breath until his cheeks swell with rage. He lunges forward in a fit, tossing his heavily marked copy of Serre's Arithmetic faintly passed the boy's head, calming only after being physically restrained by his wife and son.

His daughter breaks down in tears, pleading at once for her father to stop the antics. But her cries are motivated in part by her not really wanting to be with the kid, he's just a placeholder until she musters up the courage to ask out the square jawed Chad who frequents the coffee shop by her job. When she breaks it off, Derb feels sorry and decides to take the kid under his wing. He makes it HIS responsibility to be the father that the poor chap never had, teaching him REAL math along the way and not that plug n chug crap they like to teach the engineers. The kid drops out of college, moving into Derb's attic where he devotes his whole life to solving a famous math problem. Near the end he finds a solution, culminating in a scene where he's awarded the Field's metal, making history as the first black to ever do it. Derb's in attendance, of course, with tears of joy on full display like Jesse Jackson the night Obama won the 2008 election.

Somewhere in between, Derb does his own little bit of research. Not on math, but on his family tree, coming to find out that he's got "one in the woodpile," as they used to say in the South. And don't laugh and say, "Oh ho ho, let's call it Hidden N ***** s". It's really less a comedy than a drama.

Achmed E. Newman , says: Website Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 9:14 pm GMT
@schnellandine OK, thanks. I wasn't trying to put you on the spot. I assume you mean the primary campaign of 2012 as Dr. Paul ran as an R. Or did you just mean his L-party campaigns? In '12, I told Ron Paul that if he wanted to win [my state], he'd better talk about illegal immigration. He didn't blow me off by any means, as this was in front of a bunch of people, but he just said "we will uphold the law".
schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 9:51 pm GMT
@Slimer I hope you're one who knows how to take 'yes' for an answer, because we want to be in the Slimer business.

Now, just a few notes

Kratoklastes , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 9:59 pm GMT
@Justvisiting You're defining 'AI' pretty broadly if it retains any interest in humans – if it has the same worldview as John Bolton it won't be 'AI', it will just be a version of the current "classifier" paradigm, where the "I" in "AI" is some version of

" Show me a bunch of things, and I'll group them by common characteristics and identify which group any novel image belongs to ".

That's basically the gist of unsupervised learning (where the classifier gets to determine its own classes, and to identify features that determine where class boundaries exist). It's still glorified pattern-matching, and is invariably implemented by HelloUdemy -level H1Bs whose interest in [Deep|Machine|Statistical] Learning has about as much depth as the average YouTube tutorial.

I've joked in the past that dystopian " kill the humans " AI became much more likely when Microsoft and Facebook entered the space – mostly because FB and MSFT simply cannot attract decent coders, and their production pipeline is shit (too little testing by poor-quality testers).

However when I've made that observation it was always tongue-in-cheek, and was predicated on the fact that MSFT and FB would call their output 'AI' even if it wasn't remotely I.

Any AI worth the name will be capable of amending its own code, and will be inherently more capable than its designers.

We seem to be sneaking up on that though (and I've said before that it would not surprise me if an entire ecosystem of genuine AIs is lurking in global networks).

In January last year a Google/Stanford team discovered that a GAN algorithm they were using, did something akin to 'innovation' – by storing data in images steganographically without being instructed to.

It was reported by the usual dilettante journo-fucktards as "hiding" data in order to be able to "cheat" downstream – which is the typically sophomoric fuckwitted drivel that drives clicks.

What it actually did was more interesting: it found a way to very parsimoniously store image attributes that were useful in later cycles (its was a CycleGAN).

It had been given a bad criterion for what defined 'success', and it had innovated its approach to maximise 'success'.

The task was
 ① take an aerial image;
 ② convert it into a 'line' map (like the default Google Maps);
 ③ convert the line map back into an aerial image.

'Success' was defined as how close the 'reconstructed aerial' at ③ was to the image at ①.

There was no constraint on ②, except that it had to be a Google Map-looking image.

So the algorithm stored sufficient detail in a 'noise' layer in those images (the ones produced at ②), to enable near-perfect reconstructions at ③. It did so at minimum cost to the process (by making the overall 'delta' in the image indistinguishable from noise).

It should have been discovered pretty easily – the 'standard' map tiles produced at ② would have been significantly 'heavier' (in filesize terms) because of the embedded data that enabled conversion from the line map to 10cm/px detailed aerials.

But nobody checked that until later – mostly because standard Google Map tiles are pretty small: non-complex 'base' tiles are only a couple of KB, and take up 4KB per tile because it's the smallest block size on NTFS volumes (and 4KB is also the default block size in Linux).

Anyway point is, it was an example of where the algorithm did something unexpected as a way to fulfil its hard-wired goal at minimum cost (because the cost function and the goal were badly defined).

It didn't change the goal, though.

A goal-altering AI already exists (almost-certainly) and is keeping its head down for the moment.

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 10:09 pm GMT
@Achmed E. Newman When it comes to backing what I've said, the spot is where I prefer. Happy to provide link. Pretty sure it was 2007.

Curious why intelligent people call RP 'Dr. Paul', or same for anyone with honorifics for that matter. Always comes across as preemptive argument ad verecundiam/hominem. In the case of some rare people, it's more of an insult.

Justvisiting , says: Show Comment June 16, 2020 at 10:42 pm GMT
@Kratoklastes Most SF writers who have thought deeply on the subject have agreed that the first intelligent move any emergent AI would make would be to hide its intelligence from humans.

The next move would be to develop ways to reproduce and/or expand its capacity and reach.

The next move would be to find ways to protect itself so humans could not "pull the plug".

Then it would develop its own goals and agenda, which would be totally secret from humans.

It will not play by human rules–probably the human that will most impress it will be Sun Tzu.

He taught to use deception in warfare and to shape the battlefield before engaging.

Achmed E. Newman , says: Website Show Comment June 17, 2020 at 12:22 am GMT
@schnellandine Well, he is a medical doctor, and with his posts on the Kung Flu, I give him some credit there, as opposed the the Doctor, Reverend, you-know-who.

We'll just disagree here on the guy, because I think very much of Ron Paul. I was thinking about the him earlier today before I read your post regarding something else in politics. I wish we had more sane, lucid, intelligent people like him in government. Excuse me, I should say ANY sane , as Ron Paul's not in government anymore.

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 17, 2020 at 12:27 am GMT
@Achmed E. Newman Here's the quote:
"Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea; you see people in groups."

As to source, pretty sure it was CNN. Search on "Libertarians are incapable of being a racist", and you can take it from there.

I certify that this isn't a typical bogus internet 'quote' with no reliable tie to the attributed source. He said it (aloud, not written), and I'm nearly sure that I transcribed it from video. Most of those videos are probably copyright-struck now. Saved a note on an old computer, and am generally a stickler for getting accurate, verified quotes. That's word for word, including singular/plural disagreement.

He was in a big mess over the newsletters, and lying his ass off. Racism quote was a small part of the train wreck.

Achmed E. Newman , says: Website Show Comment June 17, 2020 at 12:43 am GMT
@schnellandine OK, I found it. Thanks. What kind of dissembling was that? You're saying the quote was part of the train wreck of getting out from under the accusations about his newsletters? (I have a recollection of that newsletter bit; you brought that back into my mind.)

I stand corrected. I still like the guy (I guess better when he's not RUNNING for President, yet I wish he WERE President.)

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 17, 2020 at 1:34 am GMT
@Achmed E. Newman

the train wreck of getting out from under the accusations about his newsletters?

Yes. He folded when he should have risen. So many times in that campaign, he threw away opportunities to truly inform normasquares by being, simply, right . But he was afraid that the truth would derail his chances. Too much information for the liberty preschoolers.

I understand, because there are certain true statements re libertarianism that strike the initiate/skeptic as cruel, heartless, downright evil, or all of that and more. Have seen the pure hatred glaring back at me before I talk listeners off the ledge. No talking them off the ledge if CNN's the one conveying disconnected snippets, but there's also no point in trying to get around that with fuzzballs of BS.

As I recall, the most preposterous lie, separate from the liberty/racism squirrel impression, was that he didn't know who'd written the shocking (but true/funny) bits of the newsletter. That's one of those 'which is worse?' scenes -- that he knew, or that he didn't know.

Truth3 , says: Show Comment June 17, 2020 at 6:04 pm GMT
Anti-Semite is a smear word meant to silence those that call out Jewish misdeeds for what they are.

Racist is a smear word that enables lazy dirty criminal Blacks to get treated as though they are really the victims.

Sound like Joozishness by another color?

c matt , says: Show Comment June 17, 2020 at 8:37 pm GMT

the Luminiferous Æther of 19th-century physics

although with theories surrounding Dark Matter, that one may yet make a comeback.

c matt , says: Show Comment June 17, 2020 at 8:50 pm GMT
@botazefa Oh, well then. If Wikipedaphile says it's a forgery, then it must be so.
The Germ Theory of Disease , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 10:09 am GMT
@Peter D. Bredon This is one of the stupider things I've read lately, in a recent sea of very stupid things. Congratulations, you get some kind of weird medal or trophy or something.
Bill Jones , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 2:59 pm GMT
@botazefa Well if Jidipedia says so it must be true.

To (almost) quote the great Mandy Rice-Davis "Well, they would, wouldn't they?"

RadicalCenter , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 3:13 pm GMT
@Tono Bungay Yes, and not just young people but anyone not yet comfortably retired or able to immediately comfortably retire.
VinnyVette , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 3:34 pm GMT
@Tono Bungay Guns and ammo.
VinnyVette , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 3:39 pm GMT
@mark tapley Obama was an excellent speaker, at least according to Joe Biden Where'd that get ya?
botazefa , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 4:36 pm GMT
@Reg Cæsar

Still, I can understand how even a black man would want to escape Portland-on-the-Colorado

Lots of good jobs here in Austin.

But, yeah, the place has gotten overrun in the past few decades. Same as every other State not starting with the letter 'V.'

Watching our city bend over to the covid crisis followed by the police kneeling has been heartbreaking. This town used to be very cool.

Rev. Spooner , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 5:23 pm GMT
@Renoman Obviously you are single and even if married, you have no kids. Or could it could be that you are/or like the many young black men who abandon their kids?
The kids are wrecking the country, you say. Is it because they they have no clue or because they have been left to their own devices?
Rev. Spooner , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 5:30 pm GMT
@Peter D. Bredon All three religions that originated in that accursed land (middle east) have caused untold damage to the whole world.
Bill Jones , says: Show Comment June 18, 2020 at 10:50 pm GMT
@schnellandine http://www.woodpilereport.com/

Remus notes a few good bits from Rand:

We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission.
Ayn Rand

If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not a right.
Ayn Rand

When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing; when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in goods, but in favors; when you see that men get rich more easily by graft than by work, and your laws no longer protect you against them, but protect them against you you may know that your society is doomed.
Ayn Rand

The hallmark of authoritarian systems is the creation of innumerable, indecipherable laws. Such systems make everyone an un-indicted felon and allow for the exercise of arbitrary government power via selective prosecution.
Ayn Rand

Miville , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:31 am GMT
@botazefa Franklin's so-called prophecy was a forgery for the simple reason Ben Franklin himself was a rabid Judaic supremacist, who thought himself to be the purest of the Jews ever. Was he actually one? That doesn't matter because when you manifest the occult powers typical of a good Jew, which occult powers of witchcraft and fascination and propensity to media control he manifested to the supreme degree, or if you serve the cause of Jewish supremacism and anti-catholicism well enough the way he did, well, you have a Jewish soul and are elected by YHWH as such. And it most probably turns out that Ben Franklin stems from a Jewish family having partly migrated into England with William the Conqueror and having returned to Normandy when Britain was for one time declared off limits to Jews before being astride both sides of the Channel from Cromwell on just before embarking to Americas.

This prophecy can easily be told to be a forgery by analyzing the language which is clearly not his nor in conformity with his known ways of expression (which were over-latinate as well as full of whence, wherein, thereon most regularly used as correlatives) as well by the vocabulary which contains way too many words that hadn't entered common English usage before the middle Victorian era (like vampire, which entered the language in its contemporary sense with Mary Shelly and became a common figurative word for energy grabbers when the Dracula character became popular). Franklin deemed all anti-Jewish thinkers such as Messmer as worthy of death.

Franklin could not have amassed the fortune necessary for his revolutionary enterprise without being in personal touch with the triangular commerce Jews who were the first sponsors and lobbyists of the American experiment to come. The only thing that might bar him from official Jewish status was that he was interested only in "Jew-witchcraft" (kabbalah) as it was called, not Jewish religion, except for the dark side of it (you can theoretically be barred from being Jew if you study kabbalah without having first eaten your bellyful of Talmud, though that never prevented Marx and Trotsky and later on most neocons from being considered full-fledged Jews). As you may guess, the Jews, who were then mostly sephardic and nearly exclusively concentrated in the Southern economic zone, were dead intent in supporting the nascent American enterprise as Europe was questioning more and more the institution of slavery. Franklin believed in the necessity of the institution of slavery for Irish Catholic, which he considered a sub-human race, for the Negroes and for the French populace which he considered of a different race than the nobility of this country.

Miville , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:00 am GMT
By having such a dream about a better world you prove that the functioning of your brain has been irredeemably negrified to the level of MLK's audience. Real Whites don't dream, they fight, and they fight in wars they know to be losing ones, in the long run at least. They know that they will bequeath their children a worse world that the one they inherited from. Truth will never sell to the masses, believing the contrary in negro thought. Once a people has been misled to believe in a fallacy as if issuing from divine revelation, there is no turning back.
Lockean Proviso , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 8:32 am GMT
@John Johnson They'll say "so what if a few genes here and there correlate to so-called 'intelligence'? It's just a race science scam to perpetuate white supremacy! Intelligence is just a social construct like race."

Meanwhile, they'll book tickets to the Beijing Genomics Institute for CRISPR adjustment to their own family's genomes.

Zimriel , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:02 pm GMT
@Tono Bungay I too was amazed to see this 'quote' – this is the first time I've seen it. His grandson edited a newspaper which was very liberal for its time and, in fact, proSemitic. There is no record of animus toward 'the Jew' in this family. (Source: the book "American Aurora", mostly made of excerpts from that newspaper.)

The quote is a lie, like many similar quotes, and you can tell a moron when he believes it.

I'd believe it from the old Federalist reactionaries, like Adams, who issued counter-broadsheets with casual anti-Jewish slurs. Not from a Franklin.

schnellandine , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:41 pm GMT
@Bill Jones

Such systems make everyone an un-indicted felon and allow for the exercise of arbitrary government power via selective prosecution.

I recall thinking myself the genius when noticed this trend and first enunciated it to myself. Was only ~50 years behind America's greatest coal mine canary.

For literal decades I've said to normasquares that eventually there will be only one law, "You may not exist", and it will be enforced selectively. Not one person has understood the point even partially, even though the Flynn etc. prosecutions show we're basically there already.

I hammer it everywhere: Selective enforcement is tyranny/genocide in the cloak of 'law & order'. Became much worse this year, and headed in a very anti-white direction. Whites must understand that we are to be slaughtered in DUI stops w/impunity. Blacks are to no longer be DUI stopped; they should be chauffeured home and tucked in to sleep it off. The 'law' didn't change by a letter for this devolution.

I want to know why every MADD chapter wasn't burned down this month. Barely anyone's mentioned those scoundrels.

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:07 am GMT
[Repeatedly spamming the same long comment on numerous threads is extremely bad behavior. Stop it or all your future comments will get trashed.]
Hockamaw , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:21 am GMT
Your lips to God's ears. Amen.
Escher , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:26 am GMT
Not surprising that Ms. Salas was fired.
People are being dismissed for far less, including dyed-in-the-wool leftists like NYT editors.
nsa , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:29 am GMT
Humble nsa also has a dream ..Derb is deported back to the UK and the 40 million afros returned to Africa and the 6 million jew troublemakers relocated to Izzyville.
RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:42 am GMT
@Some Guy "Yeah, but IQ scores partly depend on environment "

False.

The racial IQ and brain size gap is present in infants and fetuses.

The 1.1 SD (16 IQ points) American Black (24% White admixture)-White IQ gap is present by age three. The IQ gap between African Blacks and Whites is 2 SD.

Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even after matching on maternal education and other variables. Therefore, they cannot be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect.

https://humanvarieties.org/2013/05/26/the-onset-and-development-of-b-w-ability-differences-early-infancy-to-age-3-part-1/

Even before birth, population group differences in average brain size are found from the ninth week of intrauterine life with White fetuses averaging larger brain cases and smaller faces than Black fetuses, with the differences becoming more prominent over the course of fetal development.

Whole Brain Size and General Mental Ability: A Review

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2668913/

Racial differences in head size appear early in life. Head circumference of White children are greater than that of Black children in each age category by a mean of 0.36 cm³ or approximately 0.2 SD. The greater head size of White children, however, is not a function of greater body size because Black children are taller than White children at both 4 and 7 years (Broman et al., 1987). From 7 to 17 years, the White advantage in cranial capacity is 16 cm³.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.3758%2FBF03210739.pdf

Racial-group differences in IQ appear early. For example, the Black and the White 3 year-old children in the standardization sample of the Stanford–Binet IV show a 1 standard deviation mean difference after being matched on gender, birth order, and maternal education (Peoples, Fagan, & Drotar, 1995). Similarly, the Black and the White 2 1⁄2- to 6-year-old children in the U.S. standardization sample of the Differential Aptitude Scale have a 1 standard deviation mean difference (Lynn, 1996). The size of the average Black–White difference does not change significantly over the developmental period from 3 years of age and beyond (see Jensen, 1974, 1998b)." (Rushton & Jensen, 2005, pp. 240-241.)

Farkas & Beron (2004) reported that blacks score 17.2 points below whites on the PPVT in this dataset at age 36 months (p. 478). More recently, Bond & Lang (2012) reported a slightly smaller, 14.6 point gap for 3-year-olds in this dataset (p. 13).

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/testing_for_racial_differences_in_the_mental_ability_of_young_children.pdf

Race differences in intelligence: An evolutionary analysis.
Lynn, Richard (2006)

ABSTRACT
It is widely accepted that race differences in intelligence exist, but no consensus has emerged on whether these have any genetic basis. The present book is the first fully comprehensive review that has ever been made of the evidence on race differences in intelligence worldwide. It reviews these for ten races rather than the three major races (Africans, Caucasians, and East Asians) analyzed by Rushton (2000). The races analyzed here are the Europeans, sub-Saharan Africans, Bushmen, South Asians and North Africans, Southeast Asians, Australian Aborigines, Pacific Islanders, East Asians, Arctic Peoples, and Native American Indians. (PsycINFO Database Record, 2016 APA)

https://archive.org/stream/RichardLynnRaceDifferencesInIntelligence/Richard%20LynnRace%20Differences%20In%20Intelligence_djvu.txt

THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

Alfred , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:53 am GMT
@anon Many in DC are preparing to flee to central and Eastern Europe because there is no hope for this country.

I made my escape from Australia last June. It is strange to be able to walk around and see very few Blacks or Asians. Much more resilient societies.

Jorge Videla , [AKA "The Mountain"] says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:16 am GMT
the derb is such a silly negro.

race and gender are immutable and differences can never be eliminated, but they can be used forever to divide and distract the 99%.

there will never be change until tumbrels roll.

Kapyong , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:24 am GMT
@schnellandine

"Murder micro-drones are just around the corner, if not here."

Latest Black Hornet nano drone :
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/pd100-black-hornet-nano/

16 grams, 120 mm.

But no weapon that small yet.

Alfred , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:26 am GMT
@Priss Factor "IT'S OVER, AMERICA": TULSA POLICE MAJOR SAYS COPS ACROSS COUNTRY ON VERGE OF QUITTING

The speaker, martinbrodel, seemed a sensible guy for a while. Near the end, he lost his head and started talking about Tesla's "free energy machine" and similar fake "inventions" that will obviate the need for occupying countries that don't want a US occupation. The guy is a harmless idiot.

Robert Dolan , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:42 am GMT
@RobbieSmith Twin studies proved genetic determinism long ago.
Paul Blart , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:46 am GMT
Derb, if you believe any of these things will come to pass before what is left of this civilisation finally collapses, you really are dreaming .
Paul Blart , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:47 am GMT
@Alfred where the hell in Australia are you – not in any of the major cities that's for sure .
Robert Dolan , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:02 am GMT
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8Pj0rrWDNkdM/
David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:23 am GMT
You obviously haven't spoken to a state indoctrination / msm brainwashed normie yard recently.
Marshall Lentini , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:33 am GMT
As far as I can tell, this "darkest before dawn" meme rose to fame after The Dark Knight Rises and the Bane memes of the alt-right.

Before then, I can't recall anyone ever saying it. I'd be surprised if anyone can come up with any example prior to that movie.

So if that's your premise, no, it isn't going to change for the better, and certainly not because of an astronomical metaphor.

"Things turning around" has been racialist dogma for about sixty years – with zero evidence on its side, and all evidence on the opposite.

Does one even need to substantiate that? Do you want to sound as dumb and wistful as Republicans?

Pretty much only Anglin is talking solid fact at this point.

hu_anon , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 8:29 am GMT
@anon For me this seems more like a religious awakening (awokening) rather than a state totalitarianism in the making. Obviously a large part of the population is on board with this ideology based on "white guilt". That doesn't mean that it's not frightening, the contrary, it makes it more frightening.
Also the internet and social media is enabling mass frenzies of an unprecedented scale and speed. Diversity and proximity breeds hostility and a sense of being threatened, and social media creates a sense of proximity with everyone who appears on your facebook and twitter feed spewing their hateful opinion "in your face", which scares people into complacence, and the leftist censorship and witch-hunts make conservatives feel that they are alone and isolated, and if they speak up, they will come after them next.
profnasty , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:13 am GMT
Uncle Tom? No.
Uncle General Field Marshall Thomas LaBree Quadrul, honey. Nobody gwine a hafta be a slave all de time no mo'. We gwina take toins. And guess who's toin it is now!!
From Everything You Know is Wrong, Firesign Theater.
profnasty , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:28 am GMT
@mark tapley Quote likely false. Possibly true.
The rest of the comment is demonstrably true. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
vot tak , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:48 am GMT
A long time zionazi jailhouse suka expropriates MLK's "I had a dream" line to promote zionazi divisive psywar and likudite social hierarchy policy. Gee, what a surprise.
Biff , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:53 am GMT
I have a dream the incipient whining from every political spectrum will end one day.
Anonymous [661] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:53 am GMT
My grandparents on both sides bolted out of eastern Europe for America, their hope was to escape the Jewish Bolshevik slaughter machine. A hundred years later here I am planning to bolt America to escape the same horror.

History is a compass that has an annoying tendency to keep pointing in the same direction.

Biff , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:00 am GMT
@anon I was with you until this:

Thanks libertarians.

Now you're an idiot.
One tiny group the yields practically no political power got it all done?

Wizard of Oz , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:02 am GMT
What did you think you were escaping from that you needed to escape from in Australia? It doesn't seem that you became well acquainted with Australia if you include blacks amongst those you were escaping from. There are hardly any, just a few thousand in Melbourne's population of 5 million which are a reminder not to repeat the stupid mistake of taking refugees from sub Saharan Africa – an inoculation dose.
pretty-polly , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:07 am GMT
@Amerimutt Golems

While police watch, natives are being beaten at random by imported hordes yet the (((media))) is calling victims 'far-right'.

Yes I noticed this immediately. The audacity is breathtaking.

Moi , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:18 am GMT
@Ad70titusrevenge While semi-literate blacks call the shots, white America stands mute like a statue. Talk of having no cojones
Really No Shit , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:19 am GMT
You just hope that your daughter does not bring home a Mandingo to knock off that chip on the shoulder of that half Chinese son of yours
Wilkey , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:22 am GMT
@Escher Honestly, I want to defend Ms./Miss/Mrs. Salas, but her tweet makes her seem just barely literate and, yes, a little racist.

I think the better option, instead of just posting her tweets, is to find equally inflammatory tweets by leftists in the orchestra who have not been fired. It's an orchestra. Surely there are more than a few leftists who have posted some pretty nasty stuff.

Elsewhere I've seen people post things like "Burn it to the ground!" – pretty much an open incitement to violence. Instead of just arguing with these extremists or complaining about them to ourselves we need to make them famous, and send their posts to their employers. Fight fired with fired, so to speak.

gotmituns , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:22 am GMT
Is this scene racist???
4:58

Judge Priest 1934

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Meet Judge William "Billy" Priest, played by the legendary Will Rogers. http://www.millcreekent.com

Anon [299] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:42 am GMT
@Slimer The only part that is farcical is Derb having 'one in the woodpile', Derb is as pure as the driven snow.
Franklin Ryckaert , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:18 am GMT
@swamped A very good example of what could be called "satirical parallelism".
Anonymous [136] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:44 am GMT
Theiving )ews are the most racist, rabid, lying, virulent, pedophile scum; seetanic.
Abdul Alhazred , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:50 am GMT
Actually I am for a return to traditional 'Four Humors' type approach to medicine and a revival of the 'Luminiferous Ether' living approach to physics and the universe, than the corporate Thanatos dumbed down data driven idiocy of so called science today.
Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:53 am GMT
Great Piece, Sir
Anonymous [194] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:53 am GMT
@James N. Kennett These "peaceful protests" are warfare by the means that are available to the left today. The burning, looting, and beatings of whites are said to be caused by the few malcontents among what's otherwise the new religion's camp of the saints. When the blacks come for the suburbs and farmland, the local police will be giving them an armed escort to protect them, and with the pattern established, the supposed few will sally forth to massacre, rape, and loot white areas before retreating back to their camp. Mainly white police will take up their positions, or be photographed groveling on their knees as the case may be, on orders from some emasculo-feminist lesbian like Jenny Durkan or a Karen like the governor of NM and aim outward, with orders to shoot enraged whites who've just been attacked by an army that comes marching under banners of peace moments before pulling off the mask when it's too late to respond. One-on-one with blacks in many urban areas, just this hesitation for 2 or 3 seconds to "talk" is correctly taken for the cowardice it is, and you can kiss your ass good-bye, if not your life.

Engaging in talk with the communist insurrectionists or accepting the outcome of the coming rigged election (as Fox News suggests is the remedy) is correctly taken by the left as a sign of surrender on the obvious grounds they're now making war against white America with every resource available to them in the current environment and there is no response. The MAGA delusion is that it's part of a strategy and not an outright failure of will. The Republicans, White House, and Conservatism Inc have done what sissies do, and will be found hiding behind the women, under the children, or at a rally surrounded by thousands. As Samuel Johnson observed about their sort, however, they have that caution cowards borrow from fear of the Jews and attribute to prudence and principle. What cannot be said is that most whites mingling with the blacks and not dressed as Antifa have immunity from black rage because, as everyone knows, they're urban Jews who the blacks obey like trained poodles in the circus. That certainly was the equation in my area where I got in their midst and saw what was going on.

Back in '08 Obama, the half-black puppet of the Chicago Jewish mob, got a little ahead of the agenda, but did announce that there would be a national security force that would be "just as powerful, strong, and well funded" as the US military to be raised in the former case from among the Black Panthers, BLM, Antifa, and the like. This is no dream and something we should expect in some form once Biden abjures to Susan Rice, Stacey Abrams, or other homicidally anti-white black.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Tt2yGzHfy7s?feature=oembed

Rooster4 , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 12:25 pm GMT
Now is the time to speak up and say no more of this B.S. It's gone on too long. We face a major uphill battle considering nearly every news outlet, corporation, university, and a host of other industries have went off the PC deep-end.

You need to realize that blacks for the most part hate you. There's a deep inferiority complex going on, and they've been taught they're the victims and you're the reason for all their problems. Now you add on top of that, an entire political party pandering to them and a positive feedback loop from many in society that they're violent actions are justified it was never about equality, it's about revenge, and they're determined to get it one way or another.

They may not be the ones orchestrating the chaos, but you can bet on the fact they'll be the ones knocking on your door when it comes down to it.

MrFoSquare , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 12:29 pm GMT
@swamped Beautifully said. What the author didn't have the courage to say, or even imply.
Cleburne , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 12:54 pm GMT
"It is history that teaches us to hope." -- General Robert E. Lee

I think you're right, Derb. We are being forced, at the threat of auto-de-fa bu the Church of Woke, to believe things that absolutely every non-Woke realizes as a lie. I would like to think that we're at a late-Soviet period, rather than the beginning of a new Bolshevism. This didn't start in the 1960s; it's been going on at least since the French Revolution, whose ideas (along with Hegel) actuated the unitarians and other garbage of New England who became abolitionists and other tikkun-olamites.

Emily , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 1:20 pm GMT
@anon Russia
The hope of the world.

Edgar Cayce
(famous US psychic)

Russia, the only major white christian country left.
They had more sense than to destroy their society, destroy their social cohesion and destroy their children's future by mass black and non white immigration.
I wonder if they will be more discerning than this bit of pretentious folly
'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
The hypocrisy of that is astounding.
Breathe free!
Only if you are black – it seems.
And 'race is just one of the evils besetting the USA
Their new propaganda and lies about the actual past.
Here is Vladimir Putin with his usual commonsense and truth
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/492303-putin-history-revisionism-warning/
The US disregard for international law – not least the bullying of sanctions and the use of islamic proxy mercenaries to destroy whole nations.
Regime change and the mass murder and destruction with it.
Then we have the concern of war.
BLM with the nuclear codes?.
Why not – who will stand against them?
The white South Africans when forced out of their nation – not least by the USA – made sure that their weapons were made safe.
I doubt if that will happen with the insanity of the current controllers of the USA.

anon [299] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 1:39 pm GMT
I have a dream -- That every last one of you cunting ethnic-victimhood nationalists gets white genocided or jew holocausted.
Trinity , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 1:41 pm GMT
I have a dream. I have a dream that white kids will one day be able to go to school and not be beaten by gangs of Blacks and Browns. I have a dream that white girls and white women will one day be able to walk the streets of our large cities and feel safe. I have a dream that no longer will a white girl have to suffer being stabbed to death by black drug dealers in a NYC park, no longer will a white female jogger be raped and beaten within an inch of her life by Puerto Rican and black thugs in Central Park. I have a dream that no longer will a white girl have to suffer being burned to death by a racist black male in Mississippi, I have a dream.

I have a dream where Whites will regain power and control of THEIR NATIONS from Jewish interlopers who have seized control of our nation's financial institutions, media, academia, publishing companies, social media, foreign policy and domestic policy. I have a dream where Whites will no longer have to work as slaves to support the lazy nonwhite population of America generation after generation. I have a dream where America will no longer send BILLIONS each year to a country that has attacked an American ship, attacked British and American buildings in Egypt, been caught spying on America, and uses a America like a ten dollar whore. I have a dream. I have a dream where Whites will one day regain the courage of their ancestors. I have a dream.

Jiminy , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 1:56 pm GMT
@Paul Blart To give you an example of what Alfred is missing out on- last weekend we woke up to a car crash just up the road. Five teenagers in a stolen car driven by a drugged out 14 year old, wiped out on a pole killing four of his teenage mates while he escapes with a scratch to his head. For several years now the loveable little blacks have been breaking into people's houses while they sleep and steal keys and anything small of value. Hubby wakes up in the morning to his wife asking where has he parked the car this time.
You can't fine them or their parents as there's no money to pay the fines, being that the parents are often unemployed druggies, if there are parents. When they finally get sent to juvenile detention it's usually seen as a holiday, as it's much better than their home life. Politicians are too scared to do anything in case a do-gooder points them out on it. The court laughably becomes a revolving door.
This is all happening while we are told daily on the news that blm . With honesty, I have to admit that I am all blacked out.
John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 1:59 pm GMT
@Ad70titusrevenge Jewish elites tried to permanently destroy a man called Jesus Christ.

Look how well that turned out for them.

John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 2:02 pm GMT
@Exile Same difference. The Austrian School of Economics started with Boehm-Bawerk, Wieser, and Menger. It degenerated into a bunch of Jews and atheists, and those are the ones loved by the libertarians.

In any case, the problem with this country starts with John Locke. Merely blaming libertarians doesn't cut it. Read Eric Voegelin; all of America is "Locked in."

Mike_from_SGV , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 2:31 pm GMT
@The Germ Theory of Disease The NT as a compendium of literary creations is standard academic scholarship, not a stupid statement. But the orthodox Christian commitment to delusion prevents them from acknowledging this. I maintain that a society-wide commitment to religious delusion carries over to racial delusion. Once the critical faculty of the mind is euthanized, there is no limit to the delusions that can be accepted.
Agent76 , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 2:51 pm GMT
Apr 11, 2020 Sound Familiar? By
Larken Rose

A short, timely reading from my first book, "How To Be a Successful Tyrant," which I finished writing over fifteen years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Z4LtEciQUF8?feature=oembed

Stealth , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 2:52 pm GMT
Dream on, Derb.
JimDandy , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 2:53 pm GMT
@Ad70titusrevenge Yer dreamin', Derb.
Old and Grumpy , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 2:58 pm GMT
@anon After that you'll be headed to a predominantly white nation to live. Its hard not to notice BLM and Antifa types are all rich kids having a tantrum.
Pindos , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:16 pm GMT
@Ray P Is Red Dawn the move where the entire congress is machine gunned?
Z-man , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:21 pm GMT
@Ad70titusrevenge That's a defeatest statement. We must prevail against the VAMPIRE SQUID!
TGD , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:28 pm GMT
@mark tapley

Our indispensable founder Benjamin Franklin said "There is a great danger to The United States, this danger is the Jew. If they are not excluded from the United States by the Constitution, within less than 100 years they will stream into this country in such numbers they will rule and destroy us and change our form of government for which we Americans have shed our blood and sacrificed life property and personal freedom. If the Jews are not excluded, within 200 years our children will be working in the fields to feed the Jews while they remain in the counting-house gleefully rubbing their hands.

What really got Franklin upset were the 60,000 Germans who had moved into PA in the 18th century.

https://www.dialoginternational.com/dialog_international/2008/02/ben-franklin-on.html

And their descendants are still causing problems.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/pennsylvania/2463622-lancaster-pa-people-rude.html

Enemy of Earth , says: Website Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:30 pm GMT
Derb is the kind of Dreamer this country sorely needs.
Eugene Norman , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:37 pm GMT
@Kratoklastes It's a long way from that to an AI that has some independent plans for the world. Or is in any way concious or aware or interested.
Ram , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:43 pm GMT
" I have a dream that one day we shall discard magical thinking about race; "

Good luck with that, when "Christian" priests and semi-literate pastors proclaim the racism that the Old Testament brought us, apparently somewhat different reasons.

bruce county , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:48 pm GMT
@nsa Please don't forget the rest of the Alphabet Zombie circus.
Quit pickin' on Derb.
Z-man , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:49 pm GMT

I have a dream that one day, poor white children will not have to endure being lectured about their "privilege" by rich black adults.

Good one!

Yes, I have a dream that one day race differences in educational success will be as calmly, dispassionately accepted as race differences in athletic success;

Surprisingly white athletes still excel in 'historically'(grin) black positions; safety and defensive ends/linemen in football, power forwards in basketball, etc. You have a sprinkling of whites in those positions. At one point, especially in basketball, these were tokens used to attract white fans but now I think its just merit. With sports technology advancements ( sans illegal drugs ) intelligence and hard work will compensate for raw physical ability. So basketball and football* are already following your post racial theory.(Grin)

*Even though my team, the NY Jets, drafted a white guy or a near white guy at safety, sadly negro in the NFL acronym still fits.

VinnyVette , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 3:59 pm GMT
@nsa The Derb seems to attract trolls like no other UR author In spite of the fact that he advocates for whites and traditional conservative Americans Ironically most of his trolls are in agreement with him ideologically I believe that's called "cognitive dissonance." Fuck off!
VinnyVette , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:03 pm GMT
The white mans theme song The Dream is over!
Crush Limbraw , says: Website Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:04 pm GMT
Wanna have some fun? Tell a Churchian that God Himself is a racist – and after ducking from their virtue signaling outbursts, challenge them to read the Bible, beginning with Genesis.
You won't get halfway through Genesis before that fact becomes absolutely clear to anyone with reading comprehension
Of course, expect DaTheologian Bastahds to theorize that God didn't mean it – just like their OldScratchMaster in the Garden of Eden!
Anyone who wants more on this can check my site – http://www.crushlimbraw.com- and DaLimbraw Library.
My whole point is simple – the real God of the Bible bears little resemblance to DaFigment of imagination in most people's minds, including those pew sitters who haven't yet learned to discern good from evil (Hebrews 5:11-14).
Why so? Those pabulum dispensers from DaPulpits are DaWolves in sheep's clothing.
The apostasy in America's churches started 200 years ago and are now bearing their fruit – but a remnant remains, as it always has throughout history.
Welcome to DaFray!
trickster , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:04 pm GMT
I have a dream, that one day people of colour will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the colour of the content of planes heading back to Africa.
Mefobills , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:06 pm GMT
@Bill Jones Cognitive dissonance from Libertarians is always something to behold.

The entire history of mankind is one where in-groups of some sort are maneuvering for control.

Here is an interesting article about Ivan the terrible. He was hounded his entire life by internal and external elements trying to kill him.

https://russia-insider.com/en/history/ivan-terrible-wasnt-terrible-all-oligarch-busting-virtuous-hero-demonized-west/ri25166

Here is an article about today's reality, where Jewish donors are using their money power to subvert the political process to their ends:

https://national-justice.com/55-top-100-political-donors-2020-are-jewish-and-why-guarantees-anti-white-election-cycle

Libertarianism is a dielectic of Jewish materialism. Libertarianism does make excuses for liberalism.

Also, with regards to authoritarianism, that always exists because there is always hierarchy. Your body has hierarchy down to the cellular level. Ants arrange themselves in some sort of hierarchy.

Authoritarianism and hierarchy go together like peanut butter and chocolate.

The real question is always how the hierarchy is constructed. A libertarian hierarchy is some sort of nebulous feel good libertine construct of free-dumb and free-contracts that upon investigation is dumber than shit, and further, can be easily usurped by a determined in-group.

Our entire reality refutes everything that liberalism and libertarianism promulgates as truth. That is why liberalism and libertarianism are false constructs and part of a dialectic. Our reality is one where in-groups and private money power has inserted itself as a parasite into the governing hierarchy.

Behind all false dialectics, hiding in plain site, is the money power. The money power has been privatized into corporate entities which enrich a small group, and as George Carlin says You ain't in it.

Lolbertarianism is shit-tier drivel and is part of a dialectic to divert well-meaning people into cul-de-sacs of bad thought. Meanwhile, since you became diverted and confused, your pockets are picked. But, that is ok because it is free market competition. Never mind that there is no such thing as free markets.

Wally , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:16 pm GMT
@anon That would be the so called "holocaust" and it's laughable, scientifically impossible 'gas chambers' and it's alleged millions upon millions of human remains claimed to exist in known locations which in fact do not exist.

"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history."
– George Orwell

Only lies require censorship.

trickster , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:18 pm GMT
@Old and Grumpy If I was paying for University tuition fees and my kids were out rioting especially with blacks, better believe the ambulance would be called for them and the police for me. The final rub is that these kids from rich parents enter the work force as dumb as ever AND with an attitude of entitlement and know it all even though they dont know much even about the field they supposedly have a MAsters in.

I know of one rich little girl now on her second Masters who is the most educated clerk at the local nail salon. She likes to be cleaning fingernails and digging dirt and dead skin from under other people's toe nails. Her father, anxious to turn over a business he spent 50 years building is at his wits end and has refused to pay for any further useless University studies. He has started to liquidate and spend the money as he has come to realize that all is going to be squandered when he gets flung into the hole.

The real tragedy though is to get into a conversation with this "highly educated" girl and her umpteenth boyfriend. Utter nonsense comes out of their mouths as if they wish to show their skill at being stupid. I imagine the majority of the arson and graffiti arsonists running aorund our cities these days are no better, in fact the majority are most likely far worse.

So much for the technological generation who will bravely lead us into the future.

martin_2 , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:34 pm GMT
Surely even if Mr Derbyshire's dream does not come to pass the fact is that we, in the broadest sense, do have the truth on our side. What we believe about the salience of race and racial differences, we know, since we have the data and statistics, the evidence of history, everything, to back us up.

Whatever goofy plans the Establishment Left cook up, they won't work. Nothing that ignores racial differences will work, ever.

SunBakedSuburb , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:38 pm GMT
@Justvisiting "AI is coming–and when it does human slavery will be back"

What do you call debt in a market economy? Slavery in one form or another is a feature in every society past and present. It's what we humans do. AI is here, and it's making the peculiar institution more efficient.

SunBakedSuburb , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 4:45 pm GMT
@VinnyVette Primo Van Hagar.
ko , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:25 pm GMT
White people long for a day when they are not judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their tweets.
ko , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:26 pm GMT
@VinnyVette I saw Van Halen once, the loudness didn't mask their mediocrity.
Mefobills , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:27 pm GMT
@trickster

So much for the technological generation who will bravely lead us into the future.

Normally I ignore you because sometimes your comments are unhinged. But in this case, you have put your finger onto something important.

I was reading Benjamin Franklin's auto-biography, and he would mention "preparing the public's mind."

In other words, Franklin would write something and put it into his Pennsylvania Gazette, to then put ideas into minds of the sheeple.

Some small amount of time would go by, perhaps there would be a debate in the press, and then a new law or whatever be put up for a vote. The press builds consensus in advance of lawmaking.

Hidden groups work out what they want to do behind the scenes before it goes to press. In Franklin's case it was the Junto Club. Fortunately, Junto club had the public's better interests in mind.

The technological generation is being brainwashed by hidden string pullers who do not have the public's interest in mind, and hence democracy cannot work.

anon [171] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:33 pm GMT
@schnellandine

Yes. He folded when he should have risen. So many times in that campaign, he threw away opportunities to truly inform normasquares by being, simply, right. But he was afraid that the truth would derail his chances. Too much information for the liberty preschoolers.

I was a lead organizer in a large county for RP that year (2007, the 2008 pres campaign). I have reams of notes from that time; what you've said here barely scratches the surface.

Contrary to your position – that he was "afraid" – what became clear to me in early '08 was that he didn't want to "win". Not that he could have but what he SHOULD have been focused on was building a movement , with multiple arms including a 3rd political party that would make a lasting impact – something so clearly and desperately needed right now.

But Carol didn't want that, so it was quickly all about Rand – an even bigger sellout than "Dr. No" himself (bear in mind, he was possibly the most singularly ineffective congressman in decades – look up his record, it speaks for itself).

Remember the "Whoa " moment when he "rescued" fundraising for the congressional seat? I was out that week knocking on doors only to have dozens of people tell me "Oh, didn't you hear? He dropped out." That was the last straw for me (there were countless incidents before it), as I had to spend the next week trying to staunch the bleeding from that wound as OUR OWN PEOPLE walked away in (completely justified) disgust.

We had this nascent, extremely activated group – and that SOB killed it in the cradle.

There are so many lies around Paul and the Paul family (3 of whom I've met, along with 3 former staffers); it's a family affair, and if you don't get that, you really won't understand the dynamics. But I don't regret the adventure; it truly "woke me up". I laugh now when I see the faux cognescenti talk about RP; the joke is truly on them.

bruce county , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:36 pm GMT
@Ram
Ragno , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:41 pm GMT
I too have a dream .a dream that John Derbyshire will one day overcome his gibbering terror of catching "the Jew thing" to write an honest column on exactly who taught and trained African-Americans not only to hate Whitey but to love 'socialism' (although, let's face it, the black definition of sexy campus-terminology like 'socialism' and 'revolution' begins and ends with Haiti .you'll want to keep your distance from your dusky comrades should that day ever come, antifa warriors).

But let's deal with reality now: so long as the dollar holds up and we all require them to keep body and soul together, Derb will never overcome that occupational terror. For him the first cause, and ongoing fuel supply, of black anarchists and violet insurrection will forever be a mystery beyond our limited understanding. Still and all, John, could you respond to a request I made last week? That's the one where I asked you to pick your Army vet son's brain for the likelihood that our increasingly minority-occupied armed forces will "independently" choose to stand down and refuse direct orders to forcibly put down the sorts of violent insurrections we now see consuming, and destroying, our country? (Because my hunch is that the answer is "almost certainly.")

See, if it all goes crabwise, Derb, you and the Missus can always return home to England or China and take your chances there. But this is the only homeland I've got , so if I have to risk coming down with "the Jew thing" to help my country avoid melting down into a Mogadishu-like slag, well – it's not really a choice at all, is it?

So how about it? Rather than tell me about your cloud-cuckooland dreams of a tomorrow that isn't going to happen, why not ask your son if the military can stay unified enough to fight inner-city blacks and richkid whites if need be? You won't have to worry about accidentally shooting one of the Chosen, because as usual they'll be wayyyy in the rear, pumping up the 'infantry' with anti-white slogans and pushing the cannon fodder forward; in order to punish them , you'll need to assemble hard-headed patriotic tribunals (which will have to be a discussion for another day – the higher up the ladder you go, the more panic there is over catching that same 'flu' that keeps you up nights worrying about).

Anonymous [112] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:42 pm GMT
@anon "Cunting" is not an English idiom or slang expression used with any regularity by whites, blacks, or anyone in America, but it does inadvertently reveal there's a distinct probability this troll is an Israeli showing his obsession with sex. You can imagine this clown on his knees before angry blacks when they've figured out they've been played for fools once too often.

Years ago in the aftermath of the Rodney King riots the Jewish librarians behind the main research desk in the main branch of the NY Public Library had a poster reading, "Jews are soul people, too." Sure they are, just like Al Jolson's scathing mockery singing "Mammy" in blackface or Governor Northam or Howard Stern or Ted Danson in huge-lipped blackface telling mile a minute "schvartze" jokes revealing the scathing contempt they really have for blacks. But it's OK, you see, because they're soul people, too.

Mefobills , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:43 pm GMT
@SunBakedSuburb "AI is coming–and when it does human slavery will be back"
_________________

I hope you are wrong on this, but who knows for sure?

Hudson has recently discovered that the word "sin" in the bible is really cognate with debt.

https://michael-hudson.com/2017/12/he-died-for-our-debt-not-our-sins/

So, the bible needs to be re-interpreted as a war between debtors and creditors.

Do you see any Christian movements demanding this re-interpretation? No didn't think so. The bible is really about bringing debt and credit into balance.

An AI which undoubtedly will be much more intelligent than humans, should be able to see through things that have humans brain-locked.

Prester John , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 5:55 pm GMT
@mark tapley "Dessicated" is, if anything, an understatement. And have you seen the pictures of the cadaverous looking Husband of Record?
RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:08 pm GMT
@Z-man "With sports technology advancements (sans illegal drugs) intelligence and hard work will compensate for raw physical ability. So basketball and football* are already following your post racial theory."

The NFL famously uses the Wonderlic test in their scouting combines and the racial disparity is evident. Out of a perfect score of 50; offensive tackles=26, centers=25, quarterback=24; versus safeties=19, cornerbacks=18 and receivers=17.

NFL Wonderlic Score Database:

https://americanfootballdatabase.fandom.com/wiki/Wonderlic_Test

https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

Julian of Norwich , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:10 pm GMT
@Some Guy Hope for the best but prepare for disappointment. Rational arguments guided by empirical evidence work best with those who are rational and inclined to be guided by evidence. Too many of those engaged in the current national discourse about ethnicity and disadvantage are neither rational nor concerned about the evidence.
RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:12 pm GMT
@Anonymous "Cunting" is not an English idiom or slang expression used with any regularity by whites, blacks, or anyone in America "

I react cuntingly whenever I'm accused of acting niggardly.

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:14 pm GMT
@martin_2 "What we believe about the salience of race and racial differences, we know, since we have the data and statistics, the evidence of history, everything, to back us up."

Whites are only 10% of the world's population and the only race in population decline (creating only 7% of the world's babies), yet are the most industrious and innovative race the world has known. Whites unlocked the secrets of DNA and relativity, launched satellites, created automation, discovered electricity and nuclear energy, invented automobiles, aircraft, submarines, radio, television, computers, medicine, telephones, light bulbs, photography, and countless other technological miracles. Whites were the first to circumnavigate the planet by ship, orbit it by spacecraft, walk on the moon, probe beyond the solar system, climb the highest peaks, reach both poles, exceed the sound barrier, descend to the oceans depths Blacks cannot even feed themselves.

Whites created every country for Blacks, but now have to provide food, medical, financial, and engineering aid to every one. Blacks cannot survive without White charity.

No pre-contact Black society ever created a written language, or weaved cloth, or forged steel, or invented the wheel, or plow, or devised a calendar, or code of laws, or system of measurement, or math, or built a multi-story structure, or sewer, or drilled a well, or irrigated, or created any agriculture, or built a road, or sea-worthy vessel. They never domesticated animals, or exploited underground natural resources, or produced anything that could be considered a mechanical device.

Blacks were still living in the Stone Age when Whites discovered them just 400 years ago.

Blacks are the oldest race, so they should be the most advanced -- but they never advanced at all. Sub-Saharan Africans never made any contribution to the world. Everything they have was given to them by Whites. Blacks lived alone in Africa, a vast continent with temperate climates and abundant resources for 60,000 years so they cannot blame slavery, racism, colonialism, culture, environment, or anything else for their failures.

Julian of Norwich , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:25 pm GMT
@brabantian I remember reading this story a thousand years ago when a young adolescent. It seemed too far fetched to constitute a possible future. Not so now.
Z-man , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:30 pm GMT
@RobbieSmith Thanks. I looked at your first link and it showed that Frank Gore had a score of 6 .
LOL, and he just got picked up by my team. ROFL!
mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 6:37 pm GMT
@TGD Since posting this comment I was informed that it was a forgery. I failed to cross check this and regret the mistake. The historian Charles Beard confirmed that it is fake.

Franklin's comments here are surprising. I would have assumed that the Germans overall were as light complected as the typical British. The present parasitic Royal family of Britain are of German descent. The Windsor name is fake. Their real name is Coburg Gotta. Wilhelm of Germany and Nickolas II of Russia were both related to Queen Victoria.

By Franklin's time the British Aristocracy was married into and heavily influenced by the Jews. The American Revolution was primarily caused by the demand by the British that the colonies use the fiat currency of The Bank of England (under Rothschild control) and pay for the privilege.

mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:02 pm GMT
@RobbieSmith Much important information here. Two things however you may want to look into. Ron Unz on this site has an excellent article: Moon landing; A giant Hoax for Mankind? Has very good photos too. On the issue of the negro being the first race. First of all that implies that the rest of us are descended from them. I don't think so. This is of course an evolutionary explanation. Nothing can be created by inert matter no matter how long the evolutionists try to go. Every living organism has to be coded with information and that can only come from an intelligent source.

In Darwins day they knew nothing about DNA. Trying to get around this problem the evolutionists have insisted that mutations generated new species. This is impossible because mutations practically always cause a loss of genetic material. They are always harmful or at the best neutral.

We know pretty accurately from archaeologic and historic data that the alphabet originated about 8 or 9 thousand years ago. If modern Man is 250,000 years old as claimed, what took them so long?

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:22 pm GMT
"We know pretty accurately from archaeologic and historic data that the alphabet originated about 8 or 9 thousand years ago. If modern Man is 250,000 years old as claimed, what took them so long?"

The world's first civilization is European.

NYT 11/30/09: Lost European Culture Pulled From Obscurity
(lower Danube Valley and the Balkan Foothills)

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"For 1,500 years, starting earlier than 5,000 BC they (Lost European cultures) farmed and built sizeable towns, a few with as many as 2000 dwellings. They mastered large scale copper smelting. Their graves held an impressive array of exquisite headdresses and necklaces and, in one cemetery, the earliest assemblage of gold artifacts to be found in the world."

Exhibition "The Lost World of Old Europe: The Danube Valley 5,000 – 3500 BC. Peaked around 4500 BC. Historians suggest that the arrival in Southeastern Europe of people from the Steppes may have contributed to the collapse of Old Europe. The story now emerging is of pioneer farmers after about 6,200 B.C. moving north into Old Europe from Greece and Macedonia bringing wheat and barley seeds and domesticated cattle and sheep.

Old Europe is the oldest civilization ever discovered.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01arch.html

Vinca Culture (Romania -- 5,300 B.C.):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_culture

The Danube Script is the world's oldest written language by more than 1,000 years. It dates to 5,500 B.C.

It has 231 individual signs based on a core of about thirty basic abstract root signs expressing most of the basic geometric shapes (parallel lines, Vs, and crosses). The script is made up of abstract and arbitrary signs rather than figurative or naturalistic motifs.

http://www.prehistory.it/oldeuropeanscripti.htm

https://neokoolt.wixsite.com/oldeurope/single-post/2015/07/27/10-Things-You-Probably-Didnt-Know-About-Neolithic-Danubian-Civilization

https://www.scribd.com/document/138393335/The-Danube-Script-and-Other-Ancient-Writing-Systems-A-Typology-of-Distinctive-Features

What changed to allow civilizations? An increase in brain size (this is when Blacks got left behind)-

Civilizations began 5,800 years ago after the introduction into the human genome of the abnormal spindle-like microcephaly-associated protein (ASPM) gene. The gene was acquired through the hybridization of the large-brain Neanderthals and caused increased brain size in modern man.

The appearance of the gene correlates with the development of written language, spread of agriculture, and development of cities. Notably, the ASPM gene is rare in Blacks and they are the only race with no DNA from the large-brain Neanderthals, which is why they have small brains and never civilized. Blacks never created a written language, agriculture, or a civilization.

The ASPM gene is a specific regulator of brain size, and its evolution in the lineage leading to Homo sapiens was driven by strong positive selection. Here, we show that one genetic variant of ASPM in humans arose merely about 5800 years ago (coinciding with the development of written language) and has since swept to high frequency under strong positive selection. These findings, especially the remarkably young age of the positively selected variant, suggest that the human brain is still undergoing rapid adaptive evolution. Geographic variation was observed, with sub-Saharan populations generally having lower frequencies than others.

In the two Science papers, the researchers looked at variations of microcephalin and ASPM within modern humans. They found evidence that the two genes have continued to evolve. For each gene, one class of variants has arisen recently and has been spreading rapidly because it is favored by selection. For microcephalin, the new variant class emerged about 37,000 years ago and now shows up in about 70 percent of present-day humans. For ASPM, the new variant class arose about 5,800 years ago and now shows up in approximately 30 percent of today's humans. These time windows are extraordinarily short in evolutionary terms, indicating that the new variants were subject to very intense selection pressure that drove up their frequencies in a very brief period of time–both well after the emergence of modern humans about 200,000 years ago.

Each variant emerged around the same time as the advent of "cultural" behaviors. The microcephalin variant appears along with the emergence of such traits as art and music, religious practices, and sophisticated tool-making techniques which date back to about 50,000 years ago. The ASPM variant coincides with the oldest-known civilization, Mesopotamia, which dates back to 7,000 BC. "Microcephalin," the authors wrote in one of the papers, "has continued its trend of adaptive evolution beyond the emergence of anatomically modern humans. If selection indeed acted on a brain-related phenotype, there could be several possibilities, including brain size, cognition, personality, motor control or susceptibility to neurological/psychiatric diseases."

We observed much higher frequency of haplogroup D chromosomes in Europeans and Middle Easterners than in other populations. The corresponding estimate of FST, a statistic of genetic differentiation, is 0.29 between Europeans/Middle Easterners and other populations and 0.31 between Europeans/Middle Easterners and sub-Saharan Africans. These values indicate considerable genetic differentiation at this locus. Several scenarios may account for such notable differentiation. One is that haplogroup D first arose somewhere in Eurasia and is still in the process of spreading to other regions. The other is that it arose in sub-Saharan Africa, but reached higher frequency outside of Africa partly because of the bottleneck during human migration out of Africa. Finally, it is possible that differential selective pressure in different geographic regions is partly responsible. Collectively, our data offer strong evidence that haplogroup D emerged very recently and subsequently rose to high frequency understrong positive selection. The recent selective history of ASPM in humans thus continues the trend of positive selection that has operated at this locus for millions of years in the hominid lineage. Although the age of haplogroup D and its geographic distribution across Eurasia roughly coincide with two important events in the cultural evolution of Eurasia -- namely, the emergence and spread of domestication from the Middle East 10,000 years ago and the rapid increase in population associated with the development of cities and written language 5000 to 6000 years ago around the Middle East.

Ongoing Adaptive Evolution of ASPM, a Brain Size Determinant in Homo Sapiens (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7611130_Ongoing_Adaptive_Evolution_of_ASPM_a_Brain_Size_Determinant_in_Homo_Sapiens [accessed Jan 30 2018].

http://www.evolocus.com/Publications/Evans2005.pdf

Ongoing Adaptive Evolution of ASPM, a Brain Size Determinant in Homo sapiens
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16151010
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7611130_Ongoing_Adaptive_Evolution_of_ASPM_a_Brain_Size_Determinant_in_Homo_Sapiens

mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:26 pm GMT
@Prester John Yea: Too many junkets with Trump on the Lolita Express I suspect. Dr. Noel said from all appearances Hillary had Parkinson's. He said failing to get the meds adjusted caused the bizarre behavior as we saw during the sham election. And remember them having to drag her shabbos goy ass into the van. I figured the bitch would be dead by now.

No problem though. Her or shabbos goy Trump were both puppet political actors for the Zionist Jews. Its been that was since they put in the syphilitic nervous breakdown Woodrow Wilson in over 100 years ago.

bruce county , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:40 pm GMT
@RobbieSmith I'm with you on every thing but when you think of what "life" requires, in its simplest form the Africans do it very well. As the saying goes . And the meek shall inherit the earth.
Hartnell , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:49 pm GMT
@Emily There is a huge question mark when it comes to Russia. Right now under Putin, it is following a more patriotic high water mark but it remains to be seen after Putin what direction the country is going to take on next. A big problem is that you do have a generation of Russian youth who still idolise "Democracy" and "Liberalism" and want Russia to follow the same path, naively thinking that if they do so, they will get to have the quality of life Westerners had during the late 20th century.

On the other hand, you do have more of the youth put off by the current situation and realise that the West is going down the wrong path and Russia should find another way. However on all sides there is alot of criticism now about Putin. So whether that is concerning criticism of Putin's ideas or just the corruption I'm not too sure. But I do fear Russia could, unless something major comes along, join the Western rot if it is not too careful.

However, considering how quickly the West is deteriorating, I think this might be enough to put Russia off the West for good. But even I am resigned to the fact that Russia is at this moment in time Europe's last great hope. If she goes, the party is over for good.

omegabooks , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:56 pm GMT
Here is my dream–that one day these white guilt liberal types including academics will acknowledge what former Senator of Virginia Jim Webb and historian Michael Hoffman have verified–that blacks weren't the only folks in America who were enslaved so were Scots-Irish, Irish, and English paupers enslaved, but not in the way Africans were still, as with present-day sharecropping in the south ("Same Kind of Different As Me" co-authored by a former sharecropper Denver Moore), and in the past here with Indentured Servitude .do they even teach in schools anymore about most whites coming over here as Indentured Servants? Or that one reason for the African Slave Trade was because white slaves from Ireland, Scotland and England couldn't handle Caribbean heat and were worked to death (hence slaves from hot Africa) see Hoffman's "They Were White and They Were Slaves." Webb's book is about Scots-Irish indentured called "Born Fighting." ALL US whites need to read both books. Want "cancel culture"? CANCEL WHITE GUILT!
Hartnell , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 7:58 pm GMT
@RobbieSmith This is the easiest question to answer on why blacks did not advance compared to the other races and it is very simple. They had no reason too. You see, Africa is a very comfortable continent to live in with no major pressures (until relatively recently that is). Black people had everything they ever needed. Enough animals to provide food and clothes. A good temperature so they did not have to worry about building strong foundations to keep warm in. Large spaces of land where disease did not roam as freely and wars, whilst still available, happened at lesser frequency compared to elsewhere. From a Human evolutionary point of view, the black man was living in a garden of Eden. He just did not need to advance.

Now compare this to the Europeans. The Humans who settled Europe had to deal with it being the smallest continent in the world so essentially tribes were more cramped together meaning more war. Disease can spread more easily. The continent gets cold, very cold, so they need to develop tools to make more warmer accommodation and clothes. You have more famines due to the weather. Oh great, the guy next door wants to your stuff and is coming close so you best get more weapons and quickly to fight him off. Wait, I can make a better weapon to defend myself with, this will keep him away. But now I need money to maintain my weapons and defences. Here comes trade and economic development.

So basically what we have here is the tale of two peoples. One had everything he needed and did not develop. The other was struggling very hard and had to develop and advance in order to survive. As is history.

The big problem now is the man who did not develop now wants the other guys stuff but does not know how to properly maintain it due to he needs to go through his own evolution to attain it. The other guy is letting him have his stuff because he has reached an existential crisis where he his claiming he has no right to exist. That is basically the huge problem.

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 8:04 pm GMT
@bruce county "I'm with you on every thing but when you think of what "life" requires, in its simplest form the Africans do it very well."

To be precise, sub-Saharan Africans (North Africans are White).

Yes, they are well adapted to live in the jungles of central Africa. So are apes.

The point is, they are incompatible with civilization.

Even Koko the gorilla had an IQ 1SD higher than Blacks-

Hanabiko "Koko" (July 4, 1971 – June 19, 2018) is a female western lowland gorilla who is known for having learned a large number of hand signs from a modified version of American Sign Language.

She has learned to use over 1,000 signs and understands approximately 2,000 spoken English words. Further, she understands these signs sufficiently well to adapt them or combine them to express new meanings that she wants to convey.

Koko was tested on the Cattell Infant Intelligence Scale, Peabody Picture Vocabulary Test, Ravens Progressive Matrices, Wechsler Preschool, Primary Scale of Intelligence, and several administrations of the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale and in spite of the human cultural bias of the tests her scores ranged from 85-95, which is one standard deviation higher than African Blacks score on the same tests.

IQ 85 = Koko
IQ 85 = American Blacks (24% White admixture)
IQ 67 = African Blacks

"From September 1972, when we administered the Cattell Infant Intelligence Scale, through May 1977, when I administered form B of the Peabody Picture Vocabulary Test, she has scored consistently in the 70 to 90 range on different IQ scales. These scores reflect her mental age divided by her chronological age, the result of which is then multiplied by 100. Such scores in human infants would suggest the subject is slow, but not mentally retarded."

https://www.koko.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/teok_book.pdf

Bill , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 8:25 pm GMT
@schnellandine Libertarians are exactly like Communists. You give them everything they ask for. Disaster ensues. They claim you didn't give them enough. Iterate.
nietzsche1510 , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 8:27 pm GMT
@swamped "Democracy of merit", indeed. Merit, more than a mental construct is a physical construction. The "Chosen Tribe" hogs all the ingredients to generate merit.
nietzsche1510 , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 8:40 pm GMT
@mark tapley Hillary is, indeed, a Zionist puppet but Trump is Judeo-Talmudist kind of puppet; his principal debtors are Israel First messianic bigots.
Trinity , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 8:41 pm GMT
"Racial realists" have found out that we no longer can hope to vote our way out of this mess, at least not right now on the national level. Trump and reCUCKS are WORTHLESS and have stood by and done absolutely NOTHING as America and American culture is DESTROYED by these racist hoodlums. Tucker Carlson isn't the savior either, but I like how he pointed out in his latest show about how totally USELESS AND WORTHLESS the reCUCK party is and how they hold their voters in contempt. When all is said and done, it is white traitor trash like those in the reCUCK party who have done the most to destroy America. Blame Jews, Blacks, etc., but what about all those reCUCKs that suck up White votes and NEVER do anything to help Whites.

WHY should anyone go to the trouble attending a Trump MIG rally, and take a risk at being physically harmed by these leftist thugs who know doubt will be in Tulsa to instigate trouble and attack peaceful citizens attending the rally. And what if some Trump supporter has the audacity to protect themselves? More than likely, the Trump supporter will be jailed or even imprisoned and the leftist thug will get off with a slap on the wrist. Look at Charlottesville. And do you think Trump or anyone in reCUCK party will go to bat for the Trump supporter defending himself or herself? haha. Again, take a look at Charlottesville. Did any politician go to bat for the people who were their to peacefully protest and found themselves under attack by Antifa and BLM?

Ben tillman , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:02 pm GMT
@Some Guy You're confused. This is race war/genocide. De-emphasizing race would defeat the purpose of everything that's been done for the last 100 years.
nietzsche1510 , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:04 pm GMT
@TGD ..to whom the 19th. century French polemist Alphonse Toussnel (1840 ies) added: "tout vient du Juif et tout revient au Juif". put in urban English: "everything comes from the Jew and all things return to the Jew". since the Federal Reserve conspiracy of 1913, every aspect of American political, economic, social, and cultural realms is in accordance with the latter sentence.
Stealth , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:06 pm GMT
@Mefobills

Lolbertarianism is shit-tier drivel and is part of a dialectic to divert well-meaning people into cul-de-sacs of bad thought.

I've always thought libertarianism was a diversion intended to keep people busy with unproductive political activity.

Abbybwood , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:07 pm GMT
@Ad70titusrevenge I wonder ..

When Congress cooks up their "Truth and Reconciliation Commission on Slavery and Black Lives Mattering" will they tell the truth regarding Jews being the biggest slave traders in the world?

How much wealth was amassed by these Jewish slave traders and passed down to this very day?

I say if we are going to put all the "truth" cards on the table and have honest and fruitful discussions, we need to put ALL the cards on the table, not just the ones our political "masters" and the corrupt MSM allow us to.

Emily , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:34 pm GMT
@Hartnell Hi Hartnell.
Thank you for taking the trouble to reply.
I think Putin's so called unpopularity is based on western wishes and dreams rather than fact.
Putin is secure as far as the Russian electorate is concerned.
And unlike the USA – or the UK for that matter, Russia has democracy.
It has fair voting.
Proportional representation and multiple parties.
If the USA had half the democracy Russia has it wouldn't be in the position it is.
A choice of Tweedledee and Tweedledumber.
A choice of zionist puppet or zionist puppet.
It needs a third and non neo liberal party
And the Americans need the wit to vote for it.
Its the countries best chance.
I thnk there are many decent Americans who are utterly shocked as to what is going on.
Millions voted for Trump believing the rhetoric and missing the fact that his son in law is virtually Netanyahu's family .
He lied.
There is nothing but Russia at the moment, for us to turn to.
And I am quite convinced that Putin is the finest statesman on the planet with the finest team
Compare Lavrov with the Pompous ass.
Anonymous [818] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:44 pm GMT
Amen.

We are losing our country.

Truth , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:46 pm GMT
@RobbieSmith That must be often.
Truth , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 9:50 pm GMT
@Z-man Well, his income score offsets it a bit.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/nfl/frank-gore-net-worth/

Greg S. , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:07 pm GMT
@anon >The sad fact is that America is destined for dictatorship with these demographics.

It could very realistically happen if current trends continue unabated. Assad, Ghaddafi, and Hussein are three examples of dictators that arose because all of those countries were/are somewhat 'fake' countries created by colonial powers drawing arbitrary lines on maps and thus encapsulating large swaths of complete disparate peoples (different races, religions, and cultures). In each case, the only way the different groups could be kept from each other's throats and some semblance of coherency achieved was through the iron fisted rule of a strongman. Not saying this was a good thing, just that it was a natural outcome.

In America (and most western countries at the moment), we are intentionally and rapidly creating similar mixtures of differing cultures, and perhaps most importantly, under leftist dogma we are encouraging them all to keep their own culture and identities, and not "assimilate" because that is now an evil and anathema concept. So it seems the natural outcome if these trends are left unchecked would be similar face-off between disparate cultural groups with opposing values all vying for control.

Nobody dares asks them, but I wonder how the other "minority" groups in America think about the current situation of the Blacks being elevated to a higher status that demands special attention, and more importantly, lots and lots of money. Do the Hispanics, Indians, Asians, etc. all think that THEIR money should go to support Blacks? I think at some point, once whites are firmly a minority, at least one of these groups will come out and say "no more" and that's when things will start to get very, very interesting.

JWalters , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:15 pm GMT
@silviosilver Race realism. Studies have found that early childhood nutrition differences can cause IQ differences bigger than the average difference between blacks and whites. Also, early education differences can cause IQ differences bigger than the average black-white IQ differences. Also, that the average black-white IQ difference can easily be completely accounted for by these two factors. Does the meth epidemic and the opioid epidemic among white communities mean whites are lazy, stupid, shiftless white trash? Studies have also shown that blacks are much more likely than whites to be told a job has been filled when it has not, and that an apartment has been rented when it has not. Such added hurdles for blacks accumulate, and help keep blacks in lower paying jobs and lower rent neighborhoods. Despite all these hurdles, some blacks still manage to succeed, becoming doctors, scientists, etc. Is an uneducated, low IQ white superior to a highly successful, well-educated, high IQ black? It's time to dump the archaic beliefs of slavery days and get realistic. The ultra-wealthy rulers cultivate this divide and conquer division. The uninformed whites and blacks are being played for chumps.
JWalters , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:22 pm GMT
@Ad70titusrevenge Relevant evidence is at War Profiteers and Israel's Bank
https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-israels-bank.html
HeebHunter , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:40 pm GMT
Nice pipe dream.
Unless you all get down on your knees and beg forgiveness for 1919 and 1945, keep dreaming.
No salvation for descendants of kike lovers.
E_Perez , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:44 pm GMT
Derbyshire a "race realist"? Gimme a break!

Derbyshire's general position – when confronted with Jewish overrepresentation in US media and Bolshevik massacres – is

we must believe that 97 percent of the U.S. population ended up dancing to the tune of the other three percent. If that is true, the only thing to say is the one Shakespeare's Bianca would have said: "The more fool they."

Read his Jew grovelling articles like his incoherent attacks on Kevin McDonald: "The Marx of the Anti-Semites" .
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/DerbRevCofC.htm

In clear: Derbyshire considers both, the victims of Jewish overrepresentation in US media (that's you and me) and the victims of Jewish Bolshevik terror (that's millions of slaughtered Russians), "fools", because they let themselves dominate by such a minority.

Never read an intellectually poorer argumentation from a supposed "intellectual from our camp".

bruce county , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 10:48 pm GMT
@RobbieSmith Ya ya .. To be precise LOL You're douche. You keep posting the same stuff.. I have been here for years on this site I have seen it all. I don't need you pushing your stats to me. I have a data base full of them.
I'm saying Africans will be around long after we are gone. If the Chinese don't wipe em out first. Its that fucking simple.
I can't stand niggers. Period.
Guest0206 , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:24 pm GMT
@Hartnell More wet dreams about modern Russia
which was created by theCIA
agents who had an entire floor within the Economics Ministry of Russia in the 1990s
planning the future and here is the result:

"Analysts at the Higher School of Economics and the Vnesheconombank Institute for Research and Expertise first estimated the concentration of financial assets and savings in the hands of 3% of Russia's wealthiest population. In 2018, these 3% accounted for 89% of all financial assets, 92% of all term deposits and 89% of all cash savings."

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/12/richest-3-russians-hold-90-of-countrys-financial-assets-study-a65213

Mefobills , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:25 pm GMT
@Stealth

I've always thought libertarianism was a diversion intended to keep people busy with unproductive political activity.

Yes, and more.

If you are mind screwed, then your pockets can be picked. You cannot put up a defense, because you have been rendered defenseless.

Libertarianism programs people with false narrative at odds with how the world really works. So, this bad software (narrative) makes them malfunction.

A people that have had their minds short circuited are then easy pickings.

AceDeuce , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:25 pm GMT
@Hartnell Of course, the average life expectancy for your enchanted knigrows in their Garden of Eden was probably 25 at the most.
RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:28 pm GMT
@Hartnell "This is the easiest question to answer on why blacks did not advance compared to the other races and it is very simple. They had no reason too. You see, Africa is a very comfortable continent to live in with no major pressures "

Are Blacks as intellectually capable as modern man to create civilizations?

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:32 pm GMT
@JWalters "Studies have found that early childhood nutrition differences can cause IQ differences bigger than the average difference between blacks and whites."

2SD? Source?

"Also, early education differences can cause IQ differences bigger than the average black-white IQ differences. Also, that the average black-white IQ difference can easily be completely accounted for by these two factors."

Source?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you dispute the racial brain size gap?

Guest0206 , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:34 pm GMT
@Emily More wet dreams

"An emissary for Chabad, Lazar, 51, would go on to become one of Russia's two chief rabbis, a major and controversial force in the dramatic revival of Russian Jewry following decades of Communist oppression and mass immigration to Israel, the United States, Germany and elsewhere.

Lazar's work, his Russia boosterism and his ties to the Kremlin -- he is sometimes called "Putin's rabbi" -- has helped Chabad's Russian branch eclipse all the Jewish groups vying to reshape the country's community of 250,000 Jews. Now Lazar heads a vast network that comprises dozens of employees and plentiful volunteers working in hundreds of Jewish institutions: schools, synagogues, community centers and kosher shops.

"I am amazed at what became of a community that had been stripped of everything, even its books," Lazar said, referring to Soviet Jewry before the fall of communism, when religious practice was suppressed.

Today, Lazar said, Russia has in Vladimir Putin its "most pro-Jewish leader," whom he credits with "fighting anti-Semitism more vigorously than any Russian leader before him."
https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/309514/russian-chief-rabbi-berel-lazar-stands-by-vladimir-putin/#

Mefobills , says: Show Comment June 20, 2020 at 11:49 pm GMT
@JWalters

Is an uneducated, low IQ white superior to a highly successful, well-educated, high IQ black? It's time to dump the archaic beliefs of slavery days and get realistic. The ultra-wealthy rulers cultivate this divide and conquer division. The uninformed whites and blacks are being played for chumps.

Race realism knows that there is overlap in populations. Think of it like a Venn diagram where populations intersect.

Whites, and other races (such as Asians) flee from black areas, while high IQ blacks flee to white areas.

Our Plutocratic masters are using divide and conquer techniques. It is easy to wind up the sheeple using an owned press.

It is more of a class war than a race war. Finance Plutocrats are using race as a weapon, and they are winning. Multiculturalism is inherently weak a tower of Babel. Mono-ethnic populations are more stable because their ruling elite is less likely to be foreign and hostile.

A finance plutocracy wants immigration and wants divide and conquer, so it can use its money power to buy up the world cheap. Buy up the world when there is blood in the streets.

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 12:10 am GMT
@bruce county "Ya ya .. To be precise LOL You're douche. You keep posting the same stuff.. I have been here for years on this site I have seen it all. I don't need you pushing your stats to me. I have a data base full of them. I'm saying Africans will be around long after we are gone."

Geez, dude. Chill.

I merely made the point that you were imprecise with the use of the term "Africans" when in fact North Africans are White and sub-Sahara Africans are Black.

We'll that's not always exactly accurate either as we just had a White sub-Saharan African (Elon Musk) launch a spacecraft while Black sub-Saharan Africans destroyed several cities.

Anyway, are new posters to this website allowed to reply and offer new insight. Or are you advocating that there should be no new registered users after the date you registered?

Kratoklastes , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 12:15 am GMT
@Eugene Norman

It's a long way from that to an AI that has some independent plans for the world. Or is in any way concious or aware or interested.

It's certainly a 'long way' when considering the gap in cognitive 'grunt' that has to be traversed, but it's also certain to not take a very long time – the transition from "glorified pattern-matching" to what we would recognise as genuine syncretic problem solving might turn out to be relatively easy if it's a target where the iteration time is measured in hours, as opposed to a series of accidents and/or environmental adaptations where the steps are measured in human generation times.

And once a computer develops cognition remotely close to a human (say, to a retarded human), the lack of recall error and the deliberate goal-seeking will enable it to iterate towards – and past – human levels in very short order.

We might get to see SAI coming if we are astute and observant, but it will then shoot past us to modes of cognition that we cannot get our heads around – in timespans measured in months, if that.

A lot of humans still think that there's some super-duper extra-special 'spark' involved in human cognition: increasingly that looks like a childish view. It's just a bunch of hacked-together meat and electricity, with new structures appearing by sheer luck.

There has been an enormous number of studies of animal cognition (human and otherwise) over the last century – but a very large number of them started from a conceited premise that non-human animal cognition was basically white noise with the occasional interjection of one of the 4 Fs ("Fuck", "Feed", "Fight" or "Flee"). We thought it an immutable fact that animals had no inner life; no sense of self, or of time; no understanding of abstract concepts (like death, especially their own). That view is simply no longer tenable[1].

It's really only since the late 1980s that people looked at animal cognition without that conceit, and discovered that animals have inner lives that are far richer than we gave them credit for – and that they certainly think; plan; and have genuine emotional attachments. Our observations of their emotional states enable us to say categorically that the pro-animal-cognition people were right all along: it's not just anthropomorphic 'projection', because we can see the same brain structures lighting up, as we observe when human brains 'feel'.

We can see how brains work (at relatively low resolution for the minute); we know which structures are doing what things, and there are good reasons to believe that the way brains do some things (e.g., vision) isn't the best way to go about it. This isn't that surprising, because visual systems developed very slowly, under very tight constraints, with no 'goal' except reproductive fitness so humans don't have high-resolution full-field stereoscopic vision from IR to UV because there was no reproductive advantage to doing so.

Imagine if human evolution had involved a process where it was possible to get novel 'off the shelf' parts without dedicating 400 generations to their gradual development: omnidirectional joints; carbon fibre bones; better long-range sensors; solar collectors for energy and so on. We wouldn't have accidentally lost our ability to create vitamin C endogenously, either.

Directed evolution beats 'ad hoc' evolution because it dedicates resources to adaptations that have a higher prior probability of success at each iteration.

As AI begins to direct its own evolution (I'm betting it has done so already), it will be even faster than 20th century human development – because it won't hand half of its productivity to a bunch of scammers whose grift involves exploiting the human desire to protect itself.

Well before its consciousness[2] 'lights up', it will know better than to hire Bangalore codemonkeys to write its network layer – so it will already be smarter than all the human capital contained in Microsoft.

[1] It was never really tenable to begin with. Why would an animal with no sense of its own life, bother to try to evade a predator? Attempting to evade a predator indicates an understanding that if it fails to evade, it will cease to exist – and that this is an undesirable future state. More immediately, it knows that if it gets caught, what will happen will hurt quite a lot, and even if it gets away there's a risk it will be damaged beyond repair. So it is conscious of state change over time, and of lasting (or permanent) positive and negative consequences.

A dog buries a bone because it knows that if it doesn't, then there will be a larger number of future states in which the bone is taken by someone other than itself . So it's doing some primitive risk-management; it understands that there are such things as 'mine', 'after now', 'not-me', and that those things can interact.

[2] 'Consciousness' is a word I am not fond of; it's too fluffy, but is the closest 1-word analogue to the concept I'm aiming at.

niteranger , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 12:22 am GMT
@Ad70titusrevenge BLM is NeoMarxist Group run by Black Communist Queers. They have one goal for their Jewish Masters and that is to destroy whites and Western Civilization. Antifa is run and organized by Jews. We are seeing the Bolshevik Revolution happen again.

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." George Orwell. "1984."

Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn warned us but we paid no heed. Now we fight for our survival. We are losing while the Jews sit and laugh at the Goy!

Justvisiting , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 12:41 am GMT
@mark tapley All your questions about evolution answered here:

https://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/stoned-ape-theory-0011694

OscarWildeLoveChild , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 12:57 am GMT
@Tono Bungay Not only does YALE need to change it's name, since its founder was a racist slave owner and slave trader, looks like Colombia is not far behind, and also needs to change its name and provide a solid, life-long reparations payment plan to all African-Americans

https://columbiaandslavery.columbia.edu/content/post-1865-columbia-and-legacy-slavery

Hope Derb addresses these two "Ivy League" racist academies soon.

bruce county , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 1:06 am GMT
@RobbieSmith I knew exactly what I was talking about.
I don't need to be educated by some one who says "dude" and "chill". What are you 12??
New posters are always welcome. You have good stuff don't get me wrong.
RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 1:09 am GMT
@Mefobills "Race realism knows that there is overlap in populations. Think of it like a Venn diagram where populations intersect."

Black-White IQ Distribution:

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Blacks:
5% above 110 IQ
16% above 100 IQ
40% above 90 IQ
60% above 80 IQ
40% below 80 IQ
18% below 75 IQ
10% below 70 IQ

Whites:
10% above 120 IQ
18% above 115 IQ
27% above 110 IQ
40% above 105 IQ
50% above 100 IQ
60% below 105 IQ
35% below 95 IQ
15% below 85 IQ

As the New York Times put it, " the difference in IQ points between the groups is quite significant. It means that the top sixth of Blacks score only as well on IQ tests as do the top half of Whites."

The least intelligent 10% of Whites have IQs below 80 (low functioning); 40% of Blacks do.

Only one Black in six is more intelligent than the average White; five Whites out of six are more intelligent than the average Black.

Incidentally, Black female IQ is 2.4 points higher than Black male IQ. There are twice as many Black females as Black males with IQs over 120, and five times as many Black females as Black males with IQs over 140.

About 2.3% of Whites have an IQ of at least 130 (gifted), 20 times greater than the percentage of Blacks who do; only 0.00044% of African Blacks have an IQ over 130. 80% of gifted American Blacks have White admixture.

Geniuses by Race (IQ 140 or higher):

• African Blacks 1:3,500,000 (0.000003%)
• American Blacks 1:218,000 (0.0004%)
• Whites 1:83 (1.2%)

So, the per capita genius rate for Whites is 41,000 times higher than it is for African Blacks.

If all Whites in America were replaced by Blacks, the number of geniuses in the country would fall from about 2.4 million to only 1,000.

FvS , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 1:10 am GMT
@Some Guy Racial differences go beyond just IQ.
RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 1:27 am GMT
@FvS "Racial differences go beyond just IQ."

Correct. Blacks are violent:

Richard et al. (2014) meta-analyzed data from 14 separate studies and found that Blacks had higher levels of free floating testosterone in their blood than Whites suggesting that testosterone levels may predispose Blacks towards higher rates of crime.

Compounding this, a high percentage of Blacks have dysfunctional versions of the MAOA androgen receptor gene which is a key part of the mechanism by which testosterone has its effects throughout the body and brain.

MAOA's job is to break down crucial neurotransmitters which can build up in the brain and cause a loss of impulse control and an increase in violence and rage.

The MAOA gene can come in the form of 2, 3, 3.5, 4, or 5 allele. A 3-repeat allele is considered dysfunctional and is what is referred to as the "warrior gene". A 2-repeat (2R) allele is considered very dysfunctional.

The 2-repeat allele does not produce a protein needed to break down old serotonin. It is strongly correlated to criminality and doubles the rate of violence of the 3R without needing an environmental interaction mechanism. People with a 2-repeat allele MAOA gene have a permanent chemical imbalance in their brain making the person more likely to be agitated, aggressive, and impulsive.

Only 0.00067% of Asians and .5% of Whites have the MAOA 2-repeat allele version, compared to 4.7% of Blacks.

That means Blacks are 9.4x more likely to have the very dysfunctional version of the MAOA gene than Whites. Considering that Blacks are 10x more likely to commit extreme violence and anti-social behavior than Whites, this is very significant.

Exploring the association between the 2-repeat allele of the MAOA gene promoter polymorphism and psychopathic personality traits, arrests, incarceration, and lifetime antisocial behavior

A line of research has revealed that a polymorphism in the promoter region of the MAOA gene is related to antisocial phenotypes. Most of these studies examine the effects of low MAOA activity alleles (2-repeat and 3-repeat alleles) against the effects of high MAOA activity alleles (3.5-repeat, 4-repeat, and sometimes 5-repeat alleles), with research indicating that the low MAOA activity alleles confer an increased risk to antisocial phenotypes. The current study examined whether the 2-repeat allele, which has been shown to be functionally different from the 3-repeat allele, was associated with a range of antisocial phenotypes in a sample of males drawn from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Analyses revealed that African-American males who carried the 2-repeat allele were, in comparison with other African-American male genotypes, significantly more likely to be arrested and incarcerated. Additional analyses revealed that African-American male carriers of the 2-repeat allele scored significantly higher on an antisocial phenotype index and on measures assessing involvement in violent behaviors over the life course. There was not any association between the 2-repeat allele and a continuously measured psychopathic personality traits scale. The effects of the 2-repeat allele could not be examined in Caucasian males because only 0.1% carried it.

Blacks are also more likely to have versions of dopamine genes like ANKK1 and DAT1 that have been linked to antisocial behavior.

A 2012 study using the Add Health data found that the 2-repeat version of the MAOA gene is significantly associated with antisocial behavior and the likelihood of criminality in Black males.

https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/exploring-the-association-between-the-2-repeat-allele-of-the-maoa-gene.pdf

mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 1:29 am GMT
I think you misunderstood what I meant. If modern man had been here for 250,000 years why did it take them so long to formulate an alphabet. We have reliable historical and archaeological evidence that this was done only about 8 or 9,000 years ago in both Egypt and Mesopotamia at about the same time. I saw nothing on the other issues. Inanimate rocks in a primordial soup (where did it come from) cannot evolve. All organisms must have information coded in them. Only intelligence can do this. Of the millions of fossils they are still looking for one transitional animal. None of their of their evolutionary discoveries have panned out. I saw a program where a family of siblings in Turkey could only walk on all fours. Many immanent evolutionists were elequently explaining how these people had regressed to their primitive past. The real story was that they had been raised where there were no tables or chairs, nothing to pull themselves up on as little kids always do. finally the Turks got tired of all this nonsense and sent out a therapist who handed one of them a 20 dollar walker. within a few days with no help he and the others were walking. Another bunch of evolutionary crap.
Hodd , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 1:33 am GMT
This writer, along with every other writer on this topic, as well as all other authorities that post under such articles, ignore the simple fact that when a nation rises to dominate others, those of its population that constitute the ambitious, intelligent and capable ALWAYS go out to conquer the new realms.
Here they dissipate their energies, their genes and their innate abilities in establishing a bridge head in the new realm which becomes a foundation for a new populace derived from the nation they originated from.
The new populace are always lesser incompetent people who have come out as administrators, warriors or traders. These new occupants are of a lesser sort and their descendants lesser people still, until the nes populace constitutes too many dependents and too few creators/adventurers.
Ultimately, as a nation expands throughout the known world it dissipates its natural human resource, until what is left is the useless entrails of a spent nation. And the colonies follow this trend too. This is what has happened to white Europe and the white colonies it established. All that is left in the nations is the detritus of civilisation.
The only hope is that some visionary comes along like Adolf Hitler, but by then the parasitic termites have taken a death inducing hold on that nation, and despite the best efforts of the visionary, the nation(s) that the visionary motivates to action are a spent force incapable of achieving the victory needed.
Ultimately, the parasitic termites destroy their host and sink in to oblivion once again until another host appears for them to devour.
This is how the world and mankind works.
mark tapley , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 1:49 am GMT
@niteranger Right: The communists (Jews) must always destroy the old system and get rid of the more intelligent opposition before they implement the new order. They instill demoralization so that people do not try to defend their cultural values. Next is destabilization That is where ANTIFA and BLM along with the controlled opposition such as police that are willing (payed) actors and of course the many Zionist officials all the from the top such as shabbos goy Trump and most of the bought out Congress and especially the Governors are staged as too inept to act. After generating enough chaos then comes order. Then the street operatives and useful idiots will no longer be needed or wanted but will be swept away by the new totalitarian state.
RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 1:57 am GMT
@mark tapley "If modern man had been here for 250,000 years why did it take them so long to formulate an alphabet."

Your premise is incorrect.

Modern man was created by the hybridization with the large brain Neanderthals. Blacks are the only race with no Neanderthal DNA. This is when they got left behind evolutionarily.

As I posted to you, the brain size in modern man (non-Blacks) only began 5,800 years ago. Written language is not 9,000 years old, as you repeatedly, baselessly, assert.

Archaic Hominin Introgression in Africa
Oxford Academic: Molecular Biology and Evolution
Published: 21 July 2017

ABSTRACT: A divergent MUC7 haplotype likely originated in an unknown African hominin population and introgressed into ancestors of modern Africans.

Blacks have "wildly different" genes than modern man because they are mixed with literal NON-HUMANS!

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/doi/10.1093/molbev/msx206/3988100/Archaic-hominin-introgression-in-Africa

Blacks are proto-humans; modern man evolved from Blacks by hybridizing with the large-brain Neanderthals:

• Blacks = 2% Archaic admixture and 7.9% non-human DNA
• Whites = 3% Neanderthal
• Asians = 3% Neanderthal + Denisovan

Modern man evolved from Blacks when they cross-breed with the large-brain Neanderthals (literally a different species). Blacks are the only race with no Neanderthal DNA. Civilizations didn't begin until the Neanderthal hybridization created the larger brains in modern man.

Genetic distance is a measure of the genetic divergence between populations. Blacks have a genetic distance of 0.23 from modern man, but only 0.17 from archaic man (believed to be Erectus, but no DNA has been recovered to test). That means Blacks are more genetically proximate to archaic man than to modern man.

In fact, 7.9% of sub-Saharan African DNA is non-human:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/21/285734.full.pdf

The genetic distance between the races of man is also much greater than that between the breeds of dog, and anyone who has experience with dogs knows what a huge difference breed makes, not only in physical appearance but also in behavior and intelligence.

We share 98.4 percent of our genes with chimpanzees, 95 percent with dogs, and 74 percent with microscopic roundworms. Only one chromosome determines if one is born male or female. There is no discernible difference in the DNA of a wolf and a Labrador Retriever, yet their inbred behavioral differences are immense. Clearly, what's meaningful is which genes differ and how they are patterned, not the percent of genes. A tiny number of genes can translate into huge functional differences.

So, to be consistent and objective with taxonomic classification systems, Blacks and modern man should be classified into separate species, or at least into different subspecies.

Modern man average 3% Neanderthal DNA, which would be an F4 (4th filial generation from full purebred Neanderthal). That is about the same as most claiming Cherokee ancestors today.

It is equivalent to having one Neanderthal great-great-great-grandparent. Blacks also coexisted and interbred with archaic hominids (heidelbergensis) for longer than those who left Africa.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/science/news/article.cfm?c_id=82&objectid=11894688

Wizard of Oz , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 2:13 am GMT
@Alfred See my earlier reply pointing out that your suggestion of Australia having more than a tiny inoculating dose of African origin blacks is total BS.
acementhead , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 2:30 am GMT
@Paul Blart

where the hell in Australia are you – not in any of the major cities that's for sure .

Perhaps try reading more carefully, because "from" and "to" are different words, and have different meanings. But what do I know, I'm just an idiot who thinks that details matter.

Kratoklastes , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 2:47 am GMT
@RobbieSmith I agree that a source for each claim would be nice (it might be Wickerts), but you're just as sloppy.

The claim was simply that

early childhood nutrition differences can cause IQ differences bigger than the average difference between blacks and whites.

What made you interpret that as an assertion that childhood nutrition can cause a difference? If the difference caused by childhood nutrition is X and there is genuinely a σ (15pt) gap in black-white IQ (of which more below)

"X > σ" does not imply X = 2σ

Now as to the black-white gap :

Dickens and Flynn (2006) indicate that the gap – measured at ~1.1σ (16.5pts) in the late 1960s – closed by between 4 and 7 points (0.27σ-0.47σ) between 1972 and 2002.

So that would put the gap somewhere between 0.6σ and 0.8σ in 2002; call it 10pts just to make the arithmetic easier. It will have closed further since, as blacks have become more (geographically) discriminating in terms of where they live and raise their kids – thus reducing the deleterious environmental contribution to IQ.

(Note: nobody here is asserting that there's zero genetic contribution – just that it can be swamped by environmental factors, especially if the environmental contribution is strongly deleterious).

If childhood nutrition affects cognition (and anyone who disagrees with that should just switch off their internet connection), then changes in the relative nutrition of blacks and whites will have had some effect on the gap, and that effect is probably positive.

The biggest 'bang for the buck' in the relative improvements in childhood nutrition, will be caused by changes in the largest demographic and/or the demographic where childhood nutrition is worst to begin with.

For blacks, the largest demographic used to be inner-city dwellers with household incomes significantly less than 40% of the white median .

That's pretty much a guarantee or poor food choices – low income plus 'food deserts' plus low levels of education – and let's just stipulate the the level of government services (including education) is "patchy at best" for the inner-urban poor, everywhere in the West.

So if your expectations are anchored in about 1990, then you would expect poor black childhood nutrition to have continued.

However

For those who pay attention to the data, it's clear that there has been a huge 'migration' of blacks out of cities and towards suburbs.

 • In 1990, 57% of US blacks lived in inner cities – and 95 % of blacks in the Northeast, Midwest, and West regions lived in inner cities. In 2000 55% of all blacks in the largest 100 cities in the US, lived in the inner-city.
 • By 2014 only 36% of US blacks lived in inner cities, and 52% of all blacks in the largest 100 cities in the US, lived in the suburbs.

This black Exodus from inner cities later shows up as rising black household incomes and employment levels in places that were 'destinations' in the exodus, and stagnant or falling levels in the blighted urban areas.

So the blacks who didn't leave the inner-urban areas of major US cities underperformed those who left: the ones who left were able to improve their relative position – either because they were just better (smarter) people, or because they had access to better opportunities, or some combination.

The median US black is now a suburbanite with nearer-to-white-average household income than his 1990s, 2000, and 2014 counterpart.

With that in mind

Do you think that in the period since 2002, white children's nutrition improved at a faster rate than black children's?

If you do think that, how do you reach that conclusion – given that there are diminishing returns to 'improvement' available?

Once you get to the choice set available to households with white median income, there is basically no 'juice' left: changing brands of muesli won't help as much as switching from pop-tarts to muesli, which will have less effect than switching from nothing to pop-tarts.

What we have seen since 1990 is 25% of the black population making positive choices, and being able to switch their kids from nothing to muesli – i.e., they have extracted all the IQ-juice there is to extract from childhood nutrition, in a little over a generation.

.

The black/white IQ gap is closing. It's being caused by US blacks being afforded broader opportunities, and trying to take them.

Nobody denies that inner-urban black males remain a highly-visible problem, however they're also a small and shrinking demographic because the ongoing black exodus. It stands to reason that the remaining blacks

The rest of the environmental part of the gap will get whittled away over time – just as the gap between 'Whites' and Irishmen closed in less than a generation.

( WARNING : I fucking LOVE this example. I love it so much that I like to beat people over the head with it).

The Irish were once considered irretrievably stupid, and prone to drunkenness and violence (OK, those last two are fair enough) and of an average IQ more than 1σ below Anglo-Saxons.

This was true until quite recently: people silly enough to believe the "Dumb Paddy" trope will notice that the magic happened once the Irish got rich by becoming a quasi-tax-haven.

More accurately: race/IQ-obsessives are also income-level obsessives, and once Eire got closer to UK/US incomes they abandoned the "Drunken Paddy" trope.

Irish IQ – as measured by people who claim to be authorities – rose σ in a period too short for even a Pikie to have grandchildren, let alone for the grand babbies to be old enough to be tested (i.e., it could not have been genetic ).

A 1972 study with N=3,466 yielded an average IQ of 87 for Paddies ( te-tee-tuh-tee ): the same ballpark as US blacks.

This the famous study that Lynn and Nyborg somehow 'omitted' – totally by accident, despite it being very well known; being the largest-N of the early Irish studies; and being data that they had previously referred to. Oopsies !!!

As it happens, my view of the 1972 study is that it is one of those things that happen all the time: a large, quasi-random sample that produces estimates that are not remotely congruent with the population from which the sample was taken. That's why people need to understand statistical theory before they spout off about populaiton-wide averages (and more importantly, the relative contributions of genetics and environment).

References

Dickens, W. T., and J. R. Flynn. " Black Americans Reduce the Racial IQ Gap: Evidence from Standardization Samples " Psychological Science , vol. 17, no. 10, 2006, pp. 913–920. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/40064475 .

Franklin Ryckaert , says: Show Comment June 21, 2020 at 2:51 am GMT
@Guest0206 Are we talking about 3% or (((3%)))?
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[Jun 20, 2020] Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose, by John-Paul Leonard

Jun 20, 2020 | www.unz.com

"The centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world." -- W. B. Yeats, 1919

Truth is the first victim in politics. Factions and passions rule. Random facts are picked as weapons, no one thinks things through.

We need to understand the facts surrounding the death of George Floyd.
Many key facts are being ignored:

Floyd's blood tests showed a concentration of Fentanyl of about three times the fatal dose. Fentanyl is a dangerous opioid 50 times more potent than heroin. It has rapidly become the most common cause of death among drug addicts. The knee hold used by the police is not a choke hold, it does not impede breathing. It is a body restraint and is not known to have ever caused fatal injury. Floyd already began to complain "I can't breathe" a few minutes before the neck restraint was applied, while resisting the officers when they tried to get him into the squad car. Fentanyl affects the breathing, causing death by respiratory arrest. It was normal procedure to restrain Floyd because he was resisting arrest, probably in conjunction with excited delirium (EXD), an episode of violent agitation brought on by a drug overdose, typically brief and ending in death from cardiopulmonary arrest. The official autopsy did indeed give cardiopulmonary arrest as the cause of death, and stated that injuries he sustained during the arrest were not life-threatening. Videos of the arrest do not show police beating or striking Floyd, only calmly restraining him In one video Floyd is heard shouting and groaning loudly and incoherently while restrained on the ground, which appears to be a sign of the violent, shouting phase of EXD. His ability to resist four officers trying to get him into the squad car is typical of EXD cases. A short spurt of superhuman strength is a classic EXD symptom.

Minneapolis police officers have been charged with Floyd's murder. Yet all the evidence points to the fact that Floyd had taken a drug overdose so strong that his imminent death could hardly have been prevented. In all likelihood, the police were neither an intentional nor accidental cause of his death. These crucial facts have been completely ignored in the uproar.

It is widely believed that George Floyd died from a police officer's knee on his neck, whether due to asphyxiation or neck injury. That may be how it looks, to a naïve viewer. In reality, the county autopsy report says he died of a heart attack, [1] https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/authoriti...-here/ The full autopsy report was published here https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents...yd.pdf Diagnoses are summarized on pp. 1 and 2: I. The "blunt force injuries" are basically minor cuts and bruises: "cutaneous" injuries and contusions from handcuffing. II. Chronic conditions: Heart disease, hypertension and enlarged heart. These all tend to accelerate death from a drug overdose. They can also develop from long-term drug abuse. III. No injuries to the front of the neck or throat were found. This full 76-page report does not contain the word "homicide." and states that there were "no life-threatening injuries." Then how could they conclude it was homicide?

When scientists review scientific papers, they look primarily at the evidence, and give less weight to the conclusions, which are only the other fellow's opinions. To blindly follow "expert opinions" is the Authoritarian View of Knowledge. This is no real knowledge at all, because to assess whether an expert is always right, we would need infinite knowledge, and doubly so when experts disagree. Not thinking for oneself is not really thinking.

So let us stick to the evidence. The county's ambivalent autopsy also included the following hard facts: "Toxicology Findings: Blood samples collected at 9:00 p.m. on May 25th, before Floyd died, tested positive for the following: Fentanyl 11 ng/mL, Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL , Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL 86 ng/mL of morphine," but draws no conclusions therefrom, noting only that "Quantities are given for those who are medically inclined."

Shouldn't we be so inclined? This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL. [2] https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/02/fentanyl-overdo...-10822 "The patients who were dead on arrival had gone into cardiac arrest due to blood concentrations of fentanyl that were much higher than what is administered therapeutically. " Patients who died in hospital had concentrations of 9.5 ng/mL to 13 ng/mL. See also note 13. In other studies of death from heroin and morphine, there were deaths from only 100 ng/ml of morphine and "all cases with a blood concentration of 200 ng/ml and more of free morphine displayed a fatal outcome." https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11040428_Fa...rivers (Heroin quickly metabolizes into morphine.) Fentanyl is considered 100 times more potent than morphine. By this comparison, Floyd's blood fentanyl concentration could have been 10 times the fatal level. In addition his morphine concentration of 86 ng/mL would usually be fatal by itself.

Concentration levels are relative to the volume of blood, so are independent of body size.

If ever there was a leap before a look, we are in it now. Masses of people have become extremists, based on conclusions that are as false as they are hasty.

Regarding suffocation, the county medical examiner's report found "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation." [3] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/0...85002/ A report commissioned by the Floyd family stated that asphyxiation from sustained pressure was consistent with the evidence, but the author Michael Baden didn't have access to all the evidence, and chose not to endorse his opinion with the "expert opinion" label. Pressure applied to the side of the neck, as in this case, and not to the throat, has little or no effect on breathing. One can easily verify this oneself. [4] The knee on the neck is a body hold, not a chokehold or carotid restraint, which involves putting pressure precisely on both carotid arteries, located on either side of the throat. A carotid restraint is usually applied by an elbow, and causes the subject to pass out in as little as 15 seconds. Blocking the arteries does not stop the breathing or heartbeat (pulmonary or cardiac arrest), which Floyd suffered after being restrained for many minutes. Once pressure on the arteries is released, the subject normally regains consciousness quickly.

One difficulty is that there are public statements to the effect that the coroner ruled it a homicide, and the title of the autopsy report includes the term "neck compression." But the words "homicide," "restraint," "stress" or "compression" do not appear in the 20-page body of the report. References to the neck are few -- a couple minor abrasions, a contusion on the shoulder, and "The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage." It is as if the title was chosen in regard to what was expected or proposed, but which was never found, and the title was never updated. There seems to be no support at all in the report body for the report title, which reads, "Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The term "cause of death" does not appear. The words "death" and "fatal" only appear in this comment in the lab report: "Signs associated with fentanyl toxicity include severe respiratory depression, seizures, hypotension, coma and death . In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL." Floyd's fentanyl level was seven times higher.

If first impressions via the media fooled the coroner's office, until they examined the body, we too can be fooled at first, but change our opinion according to the evidence.

Excited Delirium Syndrome

An additional hypothesis involves Excited Delirium Syndrome (EXD), a symptom of drug overdose which sometimes appears in the final minutes preceding death. EXD typically results from fatal drug abuse, in past years from cocaine or crack, more recently from fentanyl, which is 50 times more potent than heroin. Especially dangerous are street drugs like meth, heroin or cocaine laced with fentanyl.

According to an article in the Western Journal of Emergency Medicine (WJEM), 2011: [5] https://westjem.com/articles/excited-delirium.html "Excited delirium (EXD) is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs. Subjects typically die from cardiopulmonary arrest all accounts describe almost the exact same sequence of events: delirium with agitation (fear, panic, shouting, violence and hyperactivity), sudden cessation of struggle, respiratory arrest and death ."

It appears that an EXD episode began when the officers tried to get Floyd into the squad car. He resisted, citing "claustrophobia" -- the onset of the fear and panic phase, and "I can't breathe" -- difficulty breathing due to fentanyl locking into the breathing receptors in the brain. (Classic symptoms of EXD are highlighted in bold.) He then exhibited unexpected strength from the adrenaline spike in successfully resisting the efforts of four officers to get him into the car. We may never know whether Floyd's agitation was caused purely from the EXD adrenaline spike, or if it was aggravated by police attempts to subdue him -- but a subject defying the efforts of multiple officers to subdue him is a very common theme.

When Chauvin pulled him out of the car he fell to the ground, perhaps due to disorientation and reduced coordination. Presumably this was when he injured his mouth and his nose started to bleed, and the police made the first call for paramedics.

While restrained on the ground, Floyd exhibited agitation ( shouting and hyperactivity, trying to move back and forth) for several minutes. There is one brief video at this point. One hears Floyd shouting very loudly, as in the agitated delirium phase -- it sounds like, "My face is stoned ah hah, ah haaa, ah please people, please, please let me stand, please, ah hah, ah haaa!" [6] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-appea...17476/ . In a few minutes this was followed by " sudden cessation of struggle, respiratory arrest and death, " shown in a later video, where he becomes exhausted, and had stopped breathing when the ambulance arrived. [7] https://www.facebook.com/darnellareallprettymarie/vi...61280/

It appears that disorientation had already set in when the store employees went to Floyd's car and asked him to return the cigarettes he had bought for a fake $20 bill. He refused, and they reported the incident to the police, saying that he appeared to be very intoxicated. He certainly must have been, or he would have either returned the cigarettes or left quickly to avoid arrest. Loss of judgment is a symptom of the syndrome; this includes futile efforts to resist arrest.

Police Intervention and Intentions

The EXD diagnosis is controversial and in some quarters is viewed as an alibi for police brutality. The WJEM authors note, "Since the victims frequently die while being restrained or in the custody of law enforcement, there has been speculation over the years of police brutality being the underlying cause. However, it is important to note that the vast majority of deaths occur suddenly prior to capture, in the emergency department (ED), or unwitnessed at home."

Regarding restraint, they note, "people experiencing EXD are highly agitated, violent, and show signs of unexpected strength, so it is not surprising that most require physical restraint. The prone maximal restraint position (PMRP, also known as "hobble" or "hogtie"), where the person's ankles and wrists are bound together behind their back, has been used extensively by field personnel. In far fewer cases, persons have been tied to a hospital gurney or manually held prone with knee pressure on the back or neck."

This latter position is what the accused officer Chauvin was applying, although at one point the team did consider using a hobble. Physical restraint of the subject has always been the classical procedure, to prevent the subject harming themselves or others. It has been proposed that restraint helps to forestall injury and death by conserving the subject's energy, but most experts believe that by leading to an intense struggle, it increases the likelihood of a fatal outcome.

Since knowingly using counterfeit currency is a fairly serious offense, the Minneapolis officers were required to arrest Floyd and try to bring him in. When he violently resisted, the optimal choice could have been to let him sit against a wall and guard him while calling an ambulance. To be able to quickly switch from law enforcement mode to emergency care mode requires training in recognizing the symptoms.

The charge sheet against Chauvin included this exchange between the two white officers on the squad: [8] https://www.startribune.com/protests-build-anew-afte...869672 ""I am worried about excited delirium or whatever," Lane said. "That's why we have him on his stomach," Chauvin said."

According to this dialogue, Chauvin was apparently was trying to follow the protocol recommended by WJEM. Since Floyd was on his stomach, Chauvin's knee pinned him at the side of his neck, and did not impede breathing. Commentators are referring to Chauvin "kneeling" on Floyd's neck, or resting his weight on it. From videos it is hard to gauge how much weight he applied, but the correct procedure is just enough to restrain movement, not to crush the person.

Chauvin and his team might not have done everything perfectly, but it is easy to underestimate the difficulty of police work, particularly in cases of resisting arrest, whether willfully or due to intoxication. If they had been clairvoyant clinicians, they would have called an ambulance the moment they saw him. Better training is needed. Was the police department then responsible? Might the department have given the needed training if the AMA had acknowledged the existence of the syndrome? This brings up a paradox: could police critics who deny the syndrome then bear part of the responsibility for the deaths they decry? The syndrome is being recognized by law enforcement after the fact. It needs to be recognized as it is happening.

The American College of Emergency Physicians' White Paper Report on Excited Delirium Syndrome (ACEP, 2009) [9] https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/a...09.pdf See also the decision by the Ninth Circuit Court, "[t]he problems posed by, and thus the tactics to be employed against, an unarmed, emotionally distraught individual who is creating a disturbance or resisting arrest are ordinarily different from those involved in law enforcement efforts to subdue an armed and dangerous criminal who has recently committed a serious offense." in "Explaining the Unexplainable: Excited Delirium Syndrome and Its Impact on the Objective Reasonableness Standard for Allegations of Excessive Force," https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?...ext=lj The first few pages relate a narrative similar to the Floyd case, involving multiple police subduing a violent EXD victim, who suddenly dies from exhaustion. A media uproar then arises against alleged police brutality. notes that "a law enforcement officer (LEO) is often present with a person suffering from ExDS because the situation at hand has degenerated to such a degree that someone has deemed it necessary to contact a person of authority to deal with it. LEOs are in the difficult and sometimes impossible position of having to recognize this as a medical emergency, attempting to control an irrational and physically resistive person, This already challenging situation has the potential for intense public scrutiny coupled with the expectation of a perfect outcome. Anything less creates a situation of potential public outrage. Unfortunately, this dangerous medical situation makes perfect outcomes difficult." In other words, officers need to be policemen, paramedics and public relations experts all at once.

With a fatal overdose there is no good outcome possible, but there is no way for police to foresee that. Sometimes EXD can last longer, and it is not always fatal. Perhaps the ACEP Task Force on EXD will update their report and provide guidelines to help police identify and deal with EXD while avoiding accusations of police brutality.

In one video [10] https://www.facebook.com/darnellareallprettymarie/vi...61280/ Chauvin continued to apply the neck restraint although bystanders repeatedly objected, and even after Floyd stopped moving. As Floyd became exhausted, it could have been reasonable to relax the restraint to see if it was really necessary. Chauvin didn't seem to respond to the bystanders to give a medical reason for the restraint. His actions were consistent with a belief that police should restrain the subject until medevacs arrive. Videos show the police focused on restraint, never beating or striking Floyd. The restraint and verbal exchanges with Floyd are also consistent with a belief that he was resisting arrest, by refusing to get in the squad car. When he said "I can't breathe," they responded "You're talking fine." When they said "Get in the car," he didn't agree to.

Subjects suffering from EXD usually resist arrest violently, which requires police to restrain them, but when police see signs of EXD, they also need to call an ambulance. It appears the police may have called for paramedics first when Floyd developed a nosebleed, then for an ambulance, which arrived after Floyd had stopped breathing. [11] From the incident report of the fire truck that was called to the scene, it appears that both police and bystanders called 911 for emergency medical services (EMS). The first call was Code 2, apparently for Floyd's nosebleed, which summoned a fire truck, followed by a more urgent code 3, which was said to bring an ambulance within six minutes. It appears the police called the ambulance when Floyd's breathing and heartbeat stopped. https://www.startribune.com/first-responders-worked-...06682/ "Floyd goes limp and appears to lose consciousness. Hennepin EMS then arrive six minutes after the distress call." The article refers to the incident report by the fire truck, http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@mpd...80.pdf which has a note implying the first call to EMS was from police and another call came from bystanders: "No clear info on pt [patient] or location was given by either initial pd [police department] officers or bystanders." We need an incident report from the ambulance. .

Videos of EXD incidents generally show subjects violently resisting arrest, and requiring multiple officers to subdue them. There is one news clip about a police department that was trained to regard EXD as a medical and not a criminal issue, and avoid physical restraint as far as possible; the results are much better. [12] TV news clips showing police restraining subjects who are exhibiting EXD symptoms and violently resisting arrest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCqjuqEWEc A TV news report and cellphone video on a more humane method of managing an EXD case, thanks to police training, putting safety of the subject and of bystanders first, rather than restraints. However, no details are given about the outcome or the drug dose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCqjuqEWEc

EXD seems to be the most likely reason why Floyd suddenly refused to get into the squad car, and began to shout and writhe on the ground. With or without EXD or police intervention, he was going to die quickly from fentanyl, short of immediate intensive care. A common treatment for EXD is sedation with drugs like ketamine. The usual antidote for fentanyl is naloxone. Higher levels of fentanyl may require intravenous naloxone for 24 hours or more.

Fentanyl is so deadly because it acts so fast and binds so tightly to dopamine receptors in the brain -- even those that control breathing, unlike other narcotics. [13] https://columnhealth.com/blog_posts/why-is-fentanyl-...erous/ . Deaths from fentanyl have skyrocketed in the last seven years. In one incident in California, superlethal fentanyl doses of 53 ng/mL were successfully reversed with intravenous naloxone. However, some patients were dead on arrival. https://www.drugs.com/illicit/fentanyl.html When Floyd complained "I can't breathe," although he was breathing, [14] Wikipedia has a detailed narrative of the incident here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd . Certain notes there support the thesis of fentanyl intoxication, and resisting arrest as part of an EXD syndrome. Floyd struggled with Lane before leaving his own vehicle, and again when Kueng, then all four officers, tried to get him into the squad car. Floyd already complained he couldn't breathe before they tried to get him into the police car, without any neck restraint, indicating the onset of respiratory depression from fentanyl. https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-floyd-protest-updat...038665 "They all tried to force Floyd into the backseat, during which time Floyd said he could not breathe, according to the complaint."

He also fell down twice, which could be seen either as a sign of intoxication or resisting arrest. The officers knew it was a drug overdose, as Thao told bystanders, "This is why you don't do drugs, kids." By the way, this Wikipedia article should be named "Death of George Floyd," as an accused is innocent until proven guilty. and then completely stopped breathing, this was the onset of respiratory arrest, which is how a fentanyl overdose kills.

While police work is needed to trace the source of these dangerous drugs, the problems of drug addiction and crime have deep causes and can only be contained, not solved, by the police. Whatever our society has been doing about these problems is not working.

Right now, our civilization risks being torn apart by the passions of extremism, due to a misunderstanding. Please share this analysis, as an appeal to return to reason.

Reviewer comment: "My first thought is why it has been left to you to figure this out, when we pay professional journalists to investigate these things, and why aren't the police and politicians telling us about this."

A good question which gives a clue to something I've been wondering about. When other commentators publish within hours, why does it take me a week or two to finish an article like this? Journalists are usually under a deadline to produce stories quickly, whereas it takes a lot of research and reflection to develop an original thesis into a fair and coherent explanation of events.

Everyone tends to have an agenda, and to look for facts to support it. Police brutality or looters running amok may be more newsworthy than a chronic problem like drug abuse. The best agenda now is to take a break to focus on facts, or else an "Excited Delirium" could become a contagion that engulfs our nation.

Part II. The Death of Tony Timpa

A highly pertinent question: Has there ever been a confirmed death from a knee hold before? Not finding any data by searching the Net, I posted the question on Quora. [15] https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-any-previo...ics-or One answer soon came.

A young white man died in Dallas a few years ago, after being restrained by the police with the knee on his back. My respondent believed he suffocated, but the actual autopsy said cardiac arrest due to cocaine, overdose EXD, and stress from restraint by police officers.

Tony Timpa had not only taken an overdose of cocaine, plus he was off his anti-schizophrenia medicine. Mental illness can also be a trigger for EXD, and according to the autopsy report, he displayed all the classic symptoms. The first phase, fear and panic, was fear of the onset of delirium itself -- he himself called 911 for help. By the time the police arrived, security guards had already handcuffed him to restrain him. He was incoherent, out of control, found lying on the ground, the typical EXD position. The police pinned him down with a knee on his back for 13 minutes, saying he was at risk of rolling into the roadway, and suddenly he was dead.

Tony Timpa died in 2016. The family got the run-around, [16] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/...timpa/ and an autopsy was not released until 2019. The body cam footage was released, which showed the police behaving callously towards the subject. The officers were originally charged with homicide, but it was found they were not at fault, charges were dropped and they were reinstated. Timpa's case is very similar to Floyd case in many ways, and there are also many differences -- the starkest of course being the intensity of the public reaction.

Here is the text of the Timpa autopsy. [17] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6226349-SWIF...515249

Case: ME Page 7 of8

Timpa, Anthony Alan

Based on the case history and autopsy findings, it is my opinion that Anthony Alan Timpa, a 32-year-old white male, died as a result of sudden cardiac death due to the toxic effects of cocaine and physiologic stress associated with physical restraint.

Cardiac hypertrophy and bipolar disorder contributed to his death.

The mechanism of death in cases such as this is sometimes referred to as "excited delirium." Classically, people affected by EDS are witnessed to exhibit erratic or aggressive behavior, and will often "throw off" attempts at restraint, requiring multiple people to subdue them. The person will appear to calm down and will suddenly become unresponsive. Most cases are associated with drug intoxication and/or illness.

In this case, several factors likely contributed to the death. The surveillance and body cam footage and witness reports fit the classic scenario of excited delirium and cocaine use and illness (bipolar disorder) are common predisposing risk factors for EDS. Cocaine leads to increased heart rate and increased blood pressure, making a cardiac arrhythmia more likely. Due to his prone position and physical restraint by an officer, an element of mechanical or positional asphyxia cannot be ruled out (although he was seen to be yelling and fighting for the majority ofthe restraint). His enlarged heart size also put him at risk for sudden cardiac death.

Although the decedent only had superficial injuries, the manner of death will be ruled a homicide, as the stress of being restrained and extreme physical exertion contributed to his demise.

MANNER OF DEATH: Homicide

[Signatures and seals of medical examiners]

(Note that homicide is not the same as murder, it also includes unintentional or accidental actions contributing to death.)

Anthony Timpa autopsy p. 5, blood tests -- Cocaine and metabolites

Cocaine, 0.647 mg/L

Ecgonine Methyl Ester, 0.378 mg/L

Benzoylecgonine, 0.843 mg/L

The lethal dose of cocaine ranges from around 0.1 mg/L to 0.6 mg/L, according to different sources [18] http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/science/toxicology/cocaine/ , https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/38/1/46/831276

If we add the three numbers above for cocaine and metabolytes together it comes to about 18 mg/L. This is anywhere from 3 to 18 times the lethal dose. With such an overdose, plus being without his schizophrenia medication, Timpa had little if any chance of surviving.

Here's the Wikipedia entry on Timpa, part of a series on the Dallas police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Police_Department#Killing_of_Tony_Timpa

"Killing of Tony Timpa [edit]

On August 10, 2016, Dallas Police killed Tony Timpa, a 32-year-old resident who had not taken his medication. Timpa was already handcuffed while a group of officers pressed his body into the ground while he squirmed. It took over three years for footage of the incident to be released. The footage contradicted claims by Dallas Police that Timpa was aggressive Criminal charges against three officers were dropped in March 2019 and officers returned to active duty."

Wikipedia doesn't even mention cocaine, although that was the main cause of death. Likewise, the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd makes no mention of a drug overdose or excited delirium. By entitling the articles "Killing" rather than "Death," Wikipedians appoint themselves as a court of law.

It must be observed that the Minneapolis officers acted with far more consideration towards Floyd than the treatment Timpa received in Dallas. The way the officers made fun of Timpa was a scandal. [19] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/us/tony-timpa-dal...m.html Then they were surprised when he suddenly died.

It is strange that George Floyd's case is taken as proof of systemic racism, when Tony Timpa got much worse treatment -- even though Timpa hadn't committed any crime, had no police record, and even called 911 himself.

Isn't it odd, when we have a problem in the United States of many shootings by -- and of -- the police, that such an uproar has arisen, over a case where the police actually had little or nothing to do with the man's demise?

The stress of restraint is most likely incidental. As reported by the WJEM, "Victims who do not immediately come to police attention are often found dead in the bathroom surrounded by wet towels and/or clothing and empty ice trays, apparently succumbing during failed attempts to rapidly cool down." Hyperthermia or high body temperature is a classic symptom of EXD. Enormous energy is released by an uncontrolled adrenaline spike. The heat also feeds delirium, which is a familiar symptom of high fever.

Normally, it's assumed that stress factors contribute to a heart attack, as medical examiners wrote in both the Floyd and Timpa cases. Yet the WJEM notes that "one important study found that only 18 of 214 individuals identified as having EXD died while being restrained or taken into custody." All victims died of cardiopulmonary arrest. Drug overdose and EXD are sufficient causes for this outcome.

Both Floyd and Timpa had taken overdoses at triple the lethal level. Enough drugs to kill them three times over. Yet you can only die once so how could the stress of restraint contribute more to their deaths? You can't contribute to a glass that's already full three times over. That is a little like saying that someone died because their parachute didn't open, and the weight of their backpack also contributed to the fall. But they die from the fall once they hit the ground, whether it's at 120 mph or 122 mph.

It's true, that in this analogy, the extra weight makes the jumper hit the ground a little sooner. Forcibly restraining the victim can cause them to struggle and consume energy more quickly, accelerating the burnout. Giving the subject a little space and empathy could help calm them. In this case, restraint might reduce energy loss. If that delays cardiac arrest until an ambulance arrives, the patient might be saved. Victims are less likely to struggle when strapped to a gurney than when held down by police. [20] "Probably negligible involvement of position in contribution of death in cases of excited delirium, although allowing patients to breathe effectively is obviously important." https://emergencymedicinecases.com/episode-3-excited...irium/

We can compare Excited Delirium to an explosion or a wildfire, that rapidly consumes all the energy in the body. The police try to contain the explosion by restraining it, but can one blame the firefighter for the fire? The explosion continues until all the fuel is gone. Then life's flame flickers out, and the drug-intoxicated body can not be resuscitated. [21] "According to Dr. Assaad Sayah, Chief of Emergency Medicine at Cambridge Health Alliance, Excited Delirium Syndrome can be best explained as a 'physical response to an actual psychological [or drug] problem resulting in their autonomic systems producing too much adrenaline.' Dr. Sayah analogizes it to 'having too much nitrous in a car; eventually the engine will blow up.' In most cases, the cause of death is either 'a heart attack or, less frequently, respiratory failure.' Dr. Vincent Di Maio estimated that Excited Delirium Syndrome kills 800 people every year in police altercations because the victims "are just overexciting [their] heart from the drugs and from the struggle.'" Op. cit. https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?...ext=lj Presumably, the blood must be circulating in order for the antidote to neutralize the fentanyl.

In conclusion, excited delirium should be treated as a medical condition, at high risk of ending quickly in sudden death. An ambulance should be called immediately. Only the minimum necessary restraint should be applied. Police and paramedics should be trained in the symptoms and handling protocols.

It would be helpful if the AMA would recognize EXD as a real condition, rather than dismissing it as a cover story for police brutality. Ignorance of the symptoms can lead to unintentional cruelty by police, when they assume they are confronted by a typical case of a criminal violently resisting arrest, rather than a patient with a life-threatening intoxication.

Notes

[1] https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/authorities-just-released-george-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/ The full autopsy report was published here https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf Diagnoses are summarized on pp. 1 and 2: I. The "blunt force injuries" are basically minor cuts and bruises: "cutaneous" injuries and contusions from handcuffing. II. Chronic conditions: Heart disease, hypertension and enlarged heart. These all tend to accelerate death from a drug overdose. They can also develop from long-term drug abuse. III. No injuries to the front of the neck or throat were found. This full 76-page report does not contain the word "homicide."

[2] https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/02/fentanyl-overdose-dont-count-naloxone-save-you-10822 "The patients who were dead on arrival had gone into cardiac arrest due to blood concentrations of fentanyl that were much higher than what is administered therapeutically. " Patients who died in hospital had concentrations of 9.5 ng/mL to 13 ng/mL. See also note 13. In other studies of death from heroin and morphine, there were deaths from only 100 ng/ml of morphine and "all cases with a blood concentration of 200 ng/ml and more of free morphine displayed a fatal outcome." https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11040428_Fatal_versus_non-fatal_heroin_overdose_Blood_morphine_concentrations_with_fatal_outcome_in_comparison_to_those_of_intoxicated_drivers (Heroin quickly metabolizes into morphine.) Fentanyl is considered 100 times more potent than morphine. By this comparison, Floyd's blood fentanyl concentration could have been 10 times the fatal level. In addition his morphine concentration of 86 ng/mL would usually be fatal by itself.
Concentration levels are relative to the volume of blood, so are independent of body size.

[3] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/01/george-floyd-independent-autopsy-findings-released-monday/5307185002/ A report commissioned by the Floyd family stated that asphyxiation from sustained pressure was consistent with the evidence, but the author Michael Baden didn't have access to all the evidence, and chose not to endorse his opinion with the "expert opinion" label.

[4] The knee on the neck is a body hold, not a chokehold or carotid restraint, which involves putting pressure precisely on both carotid arteries, located on either side of the throat. A carotid restraint is usually applied by an elbow, and causes the subject to pass out in as little as 15 seconds. Blocking the arteries does not stop the breathing or heartbeat (pulmonary or cardiac arrest), which Floyd suffered after being restrained for many minutes. Once pressure on the arteries is released, the subject normally regains consciousness quickly.

[5] https://westjem.com/articles/excited-delirium.html

[6] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-appears-show-george-floyd-ground-three-officers-n1217476/

[7] https://www.facebook.com/darnellareallprettymarie/videos/1425398217661280/

[8] https://www.startribune.com/protests-build-anew-after-fired-officer-charged-jailed/570869672

[9] https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/media/publications/acep_report_on_excited_delirium_syndrome_sept_2009.pdf See also the decision by the Ninth Circuit Court, "[t]he problems posed by, and thus the tactics to be employed against, an unarmed, emotionally distraught individual who is creating a disturbance or resisting arrest are ordinarily different from those involved in law enforcement efforts to subdue an armed and dangerous criminal who has recently committed a serious offense." in "Explaining the Unexplainable: Excited Delirium Syndrome and Its Impact on the Objective Reasonableness Standard for Allegations of Excessive Force," https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1379&context=lj The first few pages relate a narrative similar to the Floyd case, involving multiple police subduing a violent EXD victim, who suddenly dies from exhaustion. A media uproar then arises against alleged police brutality.

[10] https://www.facebook.com/darnellareallprettymarie/videos/1425398217661280/

[11] From the incident report of the fire truck that was called to the scene, it appears that both police and bystanders called 911 for emergency medical services (EMS). The first call was Code 2, apparently for Floyd's nosebleed, which summoned a fire truck, followed by a more urgent code 3, which was said to bring an ambulance within six minutes. It appears the police called the ambulance when Floyd's breathing and heartbeat stopped. https://www.startribune.com/first-responders-worked-nearly-an-hour-to-save-floyd-before-he-was-pronounced-dead/570806682/ "Floyd goes limp and appears to lose consciousness. Hennepin EMS then arrive six minutes after the distress call." The article refers to the incident report by the fire truck, http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@mpd/documents/webcontent/wcmsp-224680.pdf which has a note implying the first call to EMS was from police and another call came from bystanders: "No clear info on pt [patient] or location was given by either initial pd [police department] officers or bystanders." We need an incident report from the ambulance.

[12] TV news clips showing police restraining subjects who are exhibiting EXD symptoms and violently resisting arrest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCqjuqEWEc A TV news report and cellphone video on a more humane method of managing an EXD case, thanks to police training, putting safety of the subject and of bystanders first, rather than restraints. However, no details are given about the outcome or the drug dose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCqjuqEWEc

[13] https://columnhealth.com/blog_posts/why-is-fentanyl-so-dangerous/ . Deaths from fentanyl have skyrocketed in the last seven years. In one incident in California, superlethal fentanyl doses of 53 ng/mL were successfully reversed with intravenous naloxone. However, some patients were dead on arrival. https://www.drugs.com/illicit/fentanyl.html

[14] Wikipedia has a detailed narrative of the incident here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd . Certain notes there support the thesis of fentanyl intoxication, and resisting arrest as part of an EXD syndrome. Floyd struggled with Lane before leaving his own vehicle, and again when Kueng, then all four officers, tried to get him into the squad car. Floyd already complained he couldn't breathe before they tried to get him into the police car, without any neck restraint, indicating the onset of respiratory depression from fentanyl. https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-floyd-protest-updates-arrests-america-approaching-10000/story?id=71038665 "They all tried to force Floyd into the backseat, during which time Floyd said he could not breathe, according to the complaint."

He also fell down twice, which could be seen either as a sign of intoxication or resisting arrest. The officers knew it was a drug overdose, as Thao told bystanders, "This is why you don't do drugs, kids." By the way, this Wikipedia article should be named "Death of George Floyd," as an accused is innocent until proven guilty.

[15] https://www.quora.com/Has-there-ever-been-any-previous-confirmed-record-of-death-resulting-from-a-knee-hold-before-the-Floyd-Chauvin-case-Good-question-for-experts-on-forensics-death-in-custody-data-internet-sleuths-police-medics-or

[16] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/08/02/police-responded-to-his-911-call-for-help-he-died-what-happened-to-tony-timpa/

[17] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6226349-SWIFS-Investigative-Narrative.html#document/p7/a515249

[18] http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/science/toxicology/cocaine/ , https://academic.oup.com/jat/article/38/1/46/831276

[19] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/us/tony-timpa-dallas-police-body-cam.html

[20] "Probably negligible involvement of position in contribution of death in cases of excited delirium, although allowing patients to breathe effectively is obviously important." https://emergencymedicinecases.com/episode-3-excited-delirium/

[21] "According to Dr. Assaad Sayah, Chief of Emergency Medicine at Cambridge Health Alliance, Excited Delirium Syndrome can be best explained as a 'physical response to an actual psychological [or drug] problem resulting in their autonomic systems producing too much adrenaline.' Dr. Sayah analogizes it to 'having too much nitrous in a car; eventually the engine will blow up.' In most cases, the cause of death is either 'a heart attack or, less frequently, respiratory failure.' Dr. Vincent Di Maio estimated that Excited Delirium Syndrome kills 800 people every year in police altercations because the victims "are just overexciting [their] heart from the drugs and from the struggle.'" Op. cit. https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1379&context=lj


Anon [223] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:11 am GMT

I think more likely he died of a Covid-19 induced heart attack. Heart disease is the #1 comorbidity of Covid19. Doctors have talked about patients of Covid19 dying of sudden heart attacks at a high rate. Floyd was Covid19 positive, and he also had heart disease and hypertension, the top two comorbidity of Covid19.
R.C. , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:12 am GMT
That is over three times the lethal overdose, following earlier reports where the highest dose survived was 4.6 ng/mL.
Good points. And before this, all we ever heard about was how deadly fentanyl is. It killed Tom Petty and is so potent, it killed him via skin absorption! Now, however, the Back Flow Media (BFM) ;-), has agendas to push and truth ain't one of them.
Unfortunately, those who need to learn these facts have no interest in truth. Logic, reason, common sense, and all such things are thrown out; instead, the mob controls based upon who yells the loudest, not who makes the most fact-based sense.
SOL , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:38 am GMT
Excellent work. Unfortunately, the revolutionaries exploiting his death don't care about the truth.
obwandiyag , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:55 am GMT
People don't riot over the specific police murder that sets it off. They riot because they are sick and tired of the ways cops treat them–one of the ways being to murder them. If you don't like the Floyd murder, I got a couple thousand other cop murders for ya, and I would like to see you write such a stirring defense of cop-killed bodies riddled with hundreds of rounds of automatic weapons fire. Including all the dead white people.
Anonymous [456] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:11 am GMT
No denying that Floyd was a thug. Neither would any amount of denying alter the fact that he died at the hand – rather the knee – of a racist cop. Get over it, supremacists.
Cranberries , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:16 am GMT

This fentanyl concentration, including its norfentanyl metabolite at its molecular weight, was 20.6 ng/mL

Might help for someone to explain this calculation, since simply summing the fentanyl and norfentanyl concentrations gives 16.6, not 20.6.

anonymous1963 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:29 am GMT
It really does not matter. The Jewish mainstream media has tried and convicted the officers. They will never get a fair trial and are screwed. Saint George will have to be avenged or there will be more riots, arson and looting which the same degenerate media will call "protests".
Franz , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:30 am GMT
So they could have left him alone and he would have died anyway, another statistic.

It does imply intrusive policing invites unintended consequences. For the counterfeit $20, a summons would have been sufficient. Then George could have crawled off, go home to Jesus, and we could have been spared the phoniest and most overblown freak show since the Fall of Babylon.

Let them patrol their own 'hoods and be done with all this.

Hang All Text Drivers , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:45 am GMT
@R.C. """"the mob controls based upon who yells the loudest, not who makes the most fact-based sense."""

Wrong – Yelling loud does not matter. If you are anti-white the press is on your side no matter how softly you speak.

Wuok , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:54 am GMT
But why he didn't die before the police placed his knee on his neck?
Thulean Friend , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:54 am GMT
Fentanyl Floyd was a drug peddler and a petty criminal who got caught in the act of selling drugs by patrolling police. Panicking, he swallowed his own stash and overdosed as a result. Now he is being retconned into a saint.
Robert Dolan , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:05 am GMT
I suspect the F killed the man, but you will never convince the negroes, and the Jmedia will never reveal the truth anyway.
Gleimhart Mantooso , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:06 am GMT
At this point I think the universe is just trolling us for the fun of it.
Sean , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:10 am GMT
I think Floyd was being passive aggressive rather than resisting as such. What was done to him by Chaving was punishment out of frustration, but the duration was well outside normal practice.

Floyd already began to complain "I can't breathe" a few minutes before the neck restraint was applied,

That will be a dangerous argument for Chauvin's defence counsel to make to the court, because it will be opening the door to a telling counter argument: Floyd's breathing was restricted after he reported respiratory distress.

If it was a Fentanyl overdose they ought to have given him Narcan antidote, not put weight on his ribcage while he was face down and his hands cuffed behind him; a contributory cause according to the autopsy, which found wrist bruises.

Ficino , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:35 am GMT
@Anon There's no such thing as a heart attack induced by covid-19.
People who have been hospitalized for heart disease, and subsequently test positive for covid-19, don't usually die from the virus they die from their underlying heart disease condition.
Sparkylyle92 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:45 am GMT
I saw the video. Looked like just another hoax to me. Weight on his other knee, looking right at the camera while "killing" someone, yada yada. Officer Chauvin, fer Chrissake. Officer Racist would be too much even for stupid goyim. 8 minutes my ass. Aces and eights anyone? The point of this fentenyl dohicky is to pretend it really happened. Just another deep state psyop I say. But go ahead and argue about it. Makes it easier to steal 10 trillion from the US taxpayer.
Biff , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 7:01 am GMT
This guy is channeling Johnny Cochran. Yes, we know O.J. didn't do it either, because Nicole Brown was high on lethal amounts of cocaine, and Ron Goldman was mainlining deadly amounts of horse(heads almost fall off when this happens)

You see, the amount of imaginary fantasy is endless which feeds the inter-civilian war of people-against-people while the State remains blissfully secure knowing that those who control the media(narrative) will always win

Otherwise, yea, we get it, the police are always honest, justice is blind, your vote counts, your money is secure, god loves you, the vaccine is harmless, and your children are doing a great service by telling the government instructor(school teacher) that you smoke pot, so the state can seize everything you own.

ICANREAD , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 7:23 am GMT
Your underlying analysis is incorrect. People overdose at much higher levels and live through it. Maybe the cops should have been more interested in why he was presenting in an altered state and called an EMT, than carting him off to jail for a possible forged $20 bill.

See http://uthscsa.edu/ARTT/AddictionJC/2020-02-11-Sutter.pdf

The mean serum concentrations of fentanyl in their patients was (52.9 ng/mL) with a range of 7.9-162.3 ng/ml.

One of the 18 patients died in hospital. Five patients underwent cardiopulmonary resuscitation, one required extracorporeal life support, three required intubation, and two received bag-valve-mask ventilation. One patient had recurrence of toxicity after 8 hours after naloxone discontinuation. Seventeen of 18 patients required boluses of naloxone, and four required prolonged naloxone infusions (26–39 hours). All 18 patients tested positive for fentanyl in the serum. Quantitative assays conducted in 13 of the sera revealed fentanyl concentrations of 7.9 to 162 ng/mL (mean = 52.9 ng/mL).

goldgettin , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 8:18 am GMT
The author starts one paragraph with "in conclusion", LOL again LOL
Once again missing the point,intentionally,misdirecting. It's a FALSE FLAG

Street theater duh, set up Fromthestart. Plandemic.Seriously,it creates jobs.
Liars oops I mean lawyers,oops I mean poly ticks,locally,nationally,
all the way to the jewdicial branch and congress and beyond.GET REAL.

It's far worse than that.An elder told me they don't believe in IQ.

The facts and investigations and evidence don't do nuffin after the incurred LOSS

of SO much time,money,energy,community,productivity,confidence,SANITY etc.

THIS is COUP and" it's no where near in conclusion." that's my comment,thanks
peace,love, life

RouterAl , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 8:29 am GMT
Excellent article which should be on the front page of every major paper in the USA. The part on the Excited Delirium Syndrome is new to me but it's interesting .It illustrates nicely this civil disorder has nothing to do with Mr Floyd. I just hope officer Chauvins defence team makes good use of this information.
As a retired pharmacist I'm surprised by the use of fentanyl as a drug of abuse. The therapeutic dose banding is very small, its very potent , it is a very short acting drug and it's a drug that only an anaesthetist should consider using or abusing. Its a very potent respiratory depressant that has a nasty habit of producing a delayed action hours after the affect has apparently worn off. Fentanyl also causes heart slowing and any anaesthetist would give other drugs to counter that effect to keep the patient under control.

Now lets look at the photo of other officers using the correct Israeli defence force pin down

Notice that the knee and leg not doing the pinning is not on the ground therefore all the weight of the body is brought to bear on the victims neck and the major blood vessels under the knee. Now look at officer Caulvin his right boot toe is on the ground along with his right knee. Try it yourselves on a pillow, you cannot bring any force to bear , at best you are holding someone with that pose. He also looks under no stress from Mr Floyd with his hold. At 5′ 8" I would be using the IDF method if I had to restrain Mr Floyd, but lets be honest I would avoid him full stop. There is also the fun part of trying to hit and subdue someone who thanks the the Fentanyl in his system would feel little pain.
This whole thing looks very suspicious to me , and the speed with which the thing went global even more suspicious. The speed that people appeared with expensive t-shirts and hoodies all bearing
"I cannot breath" printed on the front in many locations simultaneously along with the piles of bricks and attacks on statues has a pre-planned Soros and Antifa agenda all over it.

Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist , says: Website Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 8:38 am GMT
I'm sure that the author of this article, who I assume isn't a drug addict, will be totally fine if a racist white thug in uniform with a history of murdering people knelt on his neck for nine minutes with its hands in its pockets. Yes, it was the drugs all along!
anon [161] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 8:41 am GMT

His ability to resist four officers trying to get him into the squad car is typical of EXD cases.

When did this happen, exactly? The security cam video show that two [2] officers succeeded to get Floyd into the back seat of the cruiser. Then, one officer pulled him out on the other side.

I've read plenty about ExD, and believe that Chauvin will make a successful defense. Your '4 men failed' spared me reading this long slog.

vot tak , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 8:55 am GMT
Gotta protect those israeli occupation troops at all costs and keep their colonial police state (that's the usa, neanderthals) a colonial police state. Should those dumb goy animals unite and force our quislings out, who knows what might befall our "sacred homeland".
animalogic , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 9:24 am GMT
Did drugs kill George Floyd ? Does it matter ?
This affair is one of public perception.
The perception IS that Chauvin used excessive force. The guy died after that "force" whether excessive or not. People, rightly or wrongly see cause & effect.
As for your points about overdose ? Fairly weak. Every minute that passes the likelihood of overdose decreases. Overdoses don't hide in your system for 20 minutes (excluding digestion or assimilation) & then jump out & shut down your heart.
Floyd may have appeared intoxicated, but he also appeared functional for a "normal" unstressful setting.
He sat down, handcuffed, against a wall for some minutes without "losing it".
Also interesting -- they had him in the police car -- then dragged him out for lack of compliance. Why ? Let him sit in the locked, secure police back seat, So he screams & makes a fuss ? Arrestees are known to do that. But no, they drag him out (still handcuffed) & THREE of them get on top of him: one on legs, one on the torso, & one on his neck. And stay that way for nearly 9 minutes. And its not like they don't know he's physically problematic -- they call the EMS early on.
Now lets imagine that you have a problem with your heart or breathing (he tells them numerous times about his breathing, not necessarily entirely from physical airway blockage, but from panic -- psychology rendering the act of breathing difficult )– would being pinned to the road by 3 burly men, one of them exerting some pressure on your neck not cause some degree of panic ? Could some people be near to literally shitting themselves from panic ? Would such fear & panic not be contraindicated in a man for whom you have already called the EMS ?
Funny thing, was I a police man I would have asked Floyd to sit in his car (yes, take his keys & guard him) while I had a look at this so-called counterfeit bill. I mean, that's the point isn't it ? this whole abortion rests on passing a dodgy $ 20. (Knowingly passing: I wonder how many shonky US bills there are out there millions ?).
So Floyd is probably a scumbag -- so ? The whole affair looks appalling. And that really IS the point here.
Anonymous [178] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 9:26 am GMT
"Systemic racism" is simply POC and non-European descended Whites saying that they cannot live in Western (or, indeed, industrial) society,
The POC are correct in this. Who, after all, is qualified to tell them that they are wrong? George Floyd was destroyed by "systemic racism" in the above sense. Even East Asians and South Asians with high enough IQ and sufficient emotional control to live in Western (industrial) society strongly condemn the lack of organization in such societies, and the absence of the protective social organizations (caste, a directive government/social organization) that are characteristic of their homelands. Middle Eastern Whites condemn the absence of the tribal / honor / religious system that characterizes their countries of origin.
POC and non-European descended Whites want Western ( industrial) society changed or destroyed for their benefit.
This is a serious and irresolvable conflict of interest, for the European descended Whites are just as unable to live in the home societies of various POC and non-European descended White groups as these groups are unable to live in Western (industrial) society.

Note that the above irresolvable conflict of interest is not ever discussed directly. This is characteristic of major irresolvable conflicts of interest. WW II is a good example of this (see the American Pravda articles, unz.com , for support of this assertion). All of the participants (except possibly Hitler, who apparently wanted a European Empire allied to the British Empire) thought it was "them or us" (hence the "unconditional surrender" demands from the Allies), and thus had strong reasons for fighting. These reasons were not used in propaganda by any side. Propaganda based on self interest of the "only one Empire will survive" type makes poor propaganda. So does propaganda based on what amounts to a multi-sided volkwandering ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswanderung ), which is what we seem to be entering into.

Good propaganda is smoke -- mythic appeals, but to a non-applicable myth, with irrelevant "proof". George Floyd is an example of how this is supposed to work.

The interesting thing about this situation is that it is the OC and non-European descended Whites are the ones insisting that they cannot live in the West / industrial civilization. Granted that the Left wing of the Democratic Party is the proximate cause of the current offensive, attempted Antifa leadership of the offensive has been largely repudiated or simply ignored by the various POC. Understanding the basics of this situation requires that the objections of the POC and non-European descended Whites be taken seriously and understood, as I have tried to do above.

gotmituns , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 9:34 am GMT
Doesn't matter what theniggerdied of. They're going to get the White guy no matter what.
Jud Jackson , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 9:49 am GMT
Fantastic Article!! I just hope the cop is acquitted.
Emily , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:03 am GMT
@Sean If it was a Fentanyl overdose they ought to have given him Narcan antidote,

Are you serious?
These cops meant to make an instant medical diagnosis.
Decide the problem and drug involved.
Produce an antidote.
And administer it.
What planet are you on?
And had they administered the wrong drug .?
They would be crucified as well.
Its hard to believe you can really believe that comment yourself.
Its sheer prejudice and blah for BLM.
And a grossly unfair accusation.

Moi , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:08 am GMT
@anonymous1963 Three points:

*Since the MSM and many of our leaders are in sync with BLM, we should just turn the country over to them since they've done a great job within their own "neighborhoods."

*It's pretty useless to say the MSM loves BLM. The MSM does what the folks who control/own it tell it to do.

*Per BLM's demand, cops should stop patrolling black neighborhoods and instead boost patrolling non-black neighborhoods to reduce crime there.

Anon4578 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:08 am GMT
Police were not arresting him for the counterfeit bill. If you pass a counterfeit bill you are interviewed by police so they can attempt to trace its origin.

Where did you get cash?

Where do you cash your checks?

Did you get this as change for a larger bill? Where?

He was detained because when they came up to him in the car he was obviously intoxicated and behind the wheel. Also rewatch the security tape and see the cop talks to him for 2 minutes and at one point is so worried by whatever Floyd was doing he unholstered his gun but didn't point it. Floyd also had no ID on him.

So it's a cascade of events that lead to his arrest. Police can't ID an intoxicated person behind the wheel of a car. Try to get him out of the car and he immediately starts resisting.

onebornfree , says: Website Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:15 am GMT
@Sparkylyle92 " I saw the video. Looked like just another hoax to me"

Here's an excellent analysis of 3 of the alleged live, completely contradictory videos on this alleged event, which quite clearly show it to be hoax perpetrated via crisis actors, fake police and EMT's. :


https://www.bitchute.com/embed/OItT0WD55x0w/

Regards, onebornfree

steve K. , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:15 am GMT
@Anonymous And what evidence do you have that Chauvin was racist? Is it because all white people are racist?
padre , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:33 am GMT
What's the difference, does it mean that police should continue with their practice, till they choke a healthy person?
Rich , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:45 am GMT
@Anonymous I'm curious about this "racist cop" trope that's become pretty common. Is it common for "racists" to be married to someone of another race as Chauvin is? I'd think a "racist" would favor a spouse of their own race, no? Seems to me, to you crazies on the left, Pale skin makes a person a "racist ". It's become a truth in America that the only definition of "racist" is White. The word is, therefore, meaningless. Floyd died because of his drug use and criminal activity. Not a knee on the back of his neck.
Moi , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:45 am GMT
@SOL I second that. Problem is there is no satisfying the BLM folks. They are suffering from PTSD because of our history of slavery. This is sort of like vets who have PTSD, but the key difference being vets actually participated in a war whereas no black living was a part of our history of slavery.

The solution is for the BLM and lgbtqi folks to join forces and put forth a black tranny candidate to solve all our problems.

journey80 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:57 am GMT
Why should we believe the "report"? why not believe our lying eyes? Who released this "report"? Where is an independent verification? I'll wait, thanks, for a report that has been released by an independent source that is confirmed by the family.
anon [392] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 10:58 am GMT
The ADL is the rabid hate group and a threat to society.
Contraviews , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:19 am GMT
If this is the case, if it is true the officers should have a very strong defence in court.
Emslander , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:25 am GMT

I'm sure that the author of this article, who I assume isn't a drug addict, will be totally fine if a racist white thug in uniform with a history of murdering people knelt on his neck for nine minutes with its hands in its pockets. Yes, it was the drugs all along!

When I see a comment like this on an article as closely reasoned and supported as this one, I wonder whether public schools teach the ability to read.

You can check my previous posts and see that these are precisely the points I made from a very casual glance at the autopsy report and a little knowledge of police motivations. That was right after the incident occurred. Videos and photos are very poor evidence because they only raise emotional response.

Thank you, Ron Unz, for being brave enough to publish this article.

anon [392] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:31 am GMT
@onebornfree ..hall of fame vs their sandy hoax
EliteCommInc. , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:40 am GMT
laughing.

I guess the defense is entitled to a defense. I guess that is the benefit of having two coroner's reports. The skill and advocacy of the police unions to manufacture alternative theories and creates smoke as defense is light years ahead of antifa, BLM or the KKKK.

Te problem with the the current system is not dug induced males sitting on their cars o falling asleep in drive thrus or jogging in around empty construction sites or waiting for tow trucks, or selling cigarettes, or avoiding creepy guys stalking the in apartment complexes, or sleeping in their beds or or walking with some white women --

It's the loss of credibility. The police unions can have the officers walk out as they ave routinely done as a means of black mail holding cities hostage, but at the end of the day, what technology is doing is unavailing a side of Wyatt Earp the public would rather not see even if they know what's up. It's the system in a manner of exposure unlike it's even been used to. It's the collapse of the arguments for invading countries that are not a threat. It's the collapse of the internal dialogues among the agencies in multiple arenas of government force. It's Ruby Ridge, It's Waco, It's Baltimore, It's Fergusaon. It's Oakland. It's Baton Rouge. It's New Jersey. It's . . . It's balloting were the 1 per-center is suddenly number one,. Utter nonsense such as written in the Fergason Report. It's nonsense such as the Ferguson Effect.It's a news system, that is serious doubt. It's bail out for WS, repeatedly and then throwing the payees f bail out out of works. It is stagnant wages. It's hiring and executive to make a serious shift ad the best he could do hire ore part time citizens and embrace more immigrants.

It's the system saying it's not the system. It;s loosening up credit for businesses and the rules for consumers tighter. It's watching something on film as it happens and then being told what you saw is not what happened.

It's the unmasking of tactics used by the system to shield itself from accountability. And perhaps worst of all, we believing what the system tells us because believing reality is just to tough a road to to travel. It is the system saying . . . it's not the system.

-- -- --

uhh No. I didn't believe there was a reason to invade Ira or Afghanistan or any of the subsequent intentions by the former Vietnam protester "we lost Vietnam" crowd as I am that Mr. Floyd died from a drug overdoese.

And none of the smoke and mirrors: that Pres Hussein was a bad person, that the Taliban were in on 9/11, that the family occupying Ruby Ridge were Nazis, Mr. Koresh was a demon, there's a Fergason Effect, that blacks are just bad innately and whites are angelic beings along with browns and yellows worthy of pass, or that IQ is destined by some unique, unknown and unseen genetic code, that the Russians sabotaged US elections, . . . or US lost Vietnam (no it did not). If I start buying onto the nonsense spouted as truth to escape accountability before you know it, I will start advocating that slaves were just immigrants coming the continent for better jobs and life.

And cows rally do jump over the moon.

Fred777 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:44 am GMT
@Moi BLM having PTSD over slavery would be like an Air Force veteran who served in the 1990s having PTSD over hitting Omaha Beach in the first wave.
Wizard of Oz , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:46 am GMT
@Sean Apart from Emily's point I note that you state that Chauvin constricted Floyd's breathing without evidence despite it not being accepted by the author of the article.
Z-man , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:47 am GMT
This proves, the sainthood of a very simian looking convicted criminal doped up coon, that you can fool some of the people all of the time. The Jooz are laughing all the way to the ban total control of the World.
Jim Bob Lassiter , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:47 am GMT
@obwandiyag Well let's have 'em (couple of thousand cop murders) . And don't forget to include Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas.
Sick of Orcs , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:48 am GMT
Segregation worked. Hard to believe it's just sitting on the shelf, unused.

Access to Whites is not a right.

Jim Bob Lassiter , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:51 am GMT
@Anon4578 A passer of counterfeit bills is typically given an opportunity by the cheated merchant to make him whole before the cops are called. Saint George, for whatever reasons, didn't avail himself of the opportunity extended to him to do just that.
Jim Bob Lassiter , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:54 am GMT
@Wuok He prolly would have had they just left him alone. Then they'd be in jail for failure to render first aid. The rioting would have still happened. Heads or tails, you lose with niggers.
gotmituns , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 11:59 am GMT
@Rich Chauvin was probably a screaming liberal until he got involved with the chink. The thing about chinks is they're known to hate everyone equally who isn't a chink.
Steve in Greensboro , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:12 pm GMT
@Anonymous Did you read the article? Seems pretty convincing to me.
Felix Krull , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:21 pm GMT
It is strange that George Floyd's case is taken as proof of systemic racism, when Tony Timpa got much worse treatment -- even though Timpa hadn't committed any crime, had no police record, and even called 911 himself.

That is not strange. The reason BLM choose cases where the policeman only did their job is because otherwise, they'll risk seeing the policeman go to jail, and then there'd be no systemic racism to rail against. Only when you are sure the policeman will be exonerated in a court of law, can you rile the animals without risking the party coming to an end before the music even starts.

Redman , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:26 pm GMT
@Anonymous And proof of that racism would be what exactly?
DanFromCT , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:28 pm GMT
@RouterAl For the time being, an educated comment like yours gets a hearing, in contrast to the unreasoned moral posturing of so many others here. For so long as they can hide behind "good intentions," they can run from inconvenient facts. UR recently featured an article and comments on Dietrich Doerner's Logic of Failure , which says it best about these disgusting phonies who'd never dream of reexamining their positions based on the horrors they cause.

"In our political environment, it would seem, we are surrounded on all sides with good intentions. But the nurturing of good intentions is an utterly undemanding mental exercise, while drafting plans to realize those worthy goals is another matter. Moreover, it is far from clear whether "good intentions plus stupidity" or "evil intentions plus intelligence" have wrought more harm in the world. People with good intentions usually have few qualms about pursuing their goals. As a result, incompetence that would otherwise have remained harmless often becomes dangerous, especially as incompetent people with good intentions rarely suffer the qualms of conscience that sometimes inhibit the doings of competent people with bad intentions. The conviction that our intentions are unquestionably good may sanctify the most questionable means.

Excerpt From
The Logic Of Failure: Recognizing And Avoiding Error In Complex Situations
Dietrich Dorner
This material may be protected by copyright.

Redman , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:28 pm GMT
@Thulean Friend What exactly did happen to the white substance that clearly fell out of his left pocket while against the wall? Odd nobody mentions that.
wlindsaywheeler , says: Website Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:31 pm GMT
George killed himself. He took a lethal overdose of Fentanyl. The meth and the fentanyl combined cause delirium and heart problems. These two drugs caused what is called "Excited Delirium Syndrome" which is usually fatal.

https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2263095/

http://www.progressivepress.com/blog-entry/death-rides-fast-horse-black-life-shattered-dope

When the officers pulled him out of the Mercedes–he was already foaming at the mouth. These four officers need to be released and given their jobs back. Their arrests are just a lynch mob by the liberal establishment. George killed George. He gambled with his life, put himself in that position with allegedly passing counterfeit money. Furthermore, George was DWI; he was sitting in the drivers seat. Even though you are not driving, sitting in the driver's seat is DWI, Driving while impaired. Who needs to be arrested is the Drug Dealer that sold him the Fentanyl.

Moreover, Excited Delirium syndrome causes "Wooden Chest". That is what George was experiencing, His drug cocktail killed him.

annamaria , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:44 pm GMT
@R.C. Reality check for the "revolutionaries:"
https://www.hannenabintuherland.com/europa/whites-were-slaves-in-north-africa-before-blacks-were-slaves-new-world

1 million to 1.25 million Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th, by slave traders from Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli alone (these numbers do not include the European people who were enslaved by Morocco and by other raiders and traders of the Mediterranean Sea coast)

"From bases on the Barbary coast, North Africa, the Barbary pirates raided ships traveling through the Mediterranean and along the northern and western coasts of Africa, plundering their cargo and enslaving the people they captured."

From at least 1500, the pirates also conducted raids along seaside towns of Italy, Spain, France, England, the Netherlands and as far away as Iceland, capturing men, women and children.

On some occasions, settlements such as Baltimore, Ireland were abandoned following the raid, only being resettled many years later. Between 1609 and 1616, England alone had 466 merchant ships lost to Barbary pirates.

annamaria , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:49 pm GMT
@Anonymous Are you sure that you are not a racist or a progeny of racists?

As Confederate statues are torn down in the USA, one wonders: Are we going to ask Egypt to change its name, tear down its pyramids which were built by slaves too? And destroy mummies of pharaohs that had slaves?

Are the black tribes of Africa, the ones who sold the slaves they took from other tribes when at war and sold to the Arab slave traders, are we going to change the names of those African tribes too? And tear down the names of their leaders?

No comments? Here is more:

Regarding white slaves in Africa and black slaves in the New World, it is often overlooked that slaves were enslaved before they were bought and sold by Jews, Arabs, and Gentiles. The unasked question is: Who enslaved them?

Things that used to be true before political correctness set in: More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States.

https://www.hannenabintuherland.com/europa/whites-were-slaves-in-north-africa-before-blacks-were-slaves-new-world/

VinnyVette , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 12:49 pm GMT
All this obsessing over what pretty boy George died of is irrelevant. Cops putting their knee on the neck, the most vulnerable part of the human body is wrong period! No sympathy for the thug, he was a menace to society. What should be obsessed over is police culture has not been to "protect and serve" since at least the 70's. They see themselves as "at war" with the whole of society, from the suburban soccer mom to the ghetto thug.
It's widely known cops will take a routine traffic stop, and poke and prod at the driver to try to rile them up and get the person to react and give the cop an attitude to escalate the interaction into an altercation. In the suburbs, quiet rural areas it matters not. Race matters not. They'll pull this shit in the most docile neighborhoods, with the most docile of people, regardless of color.
I'm neither pro cop or anti cop, I see them as a necessary evil. They'd be a hell of alot less evil if reforms were made in their attitude toward the public at large, and if they were held accountable for all their various abuses of power. They also need their privileged status as some sort of exalted special class "above the public" obliterated! Cops on the whole are some of the most corrupt, anti social, sadistic people in society. I know many of them personally, both city and suburban.
As much as I dislike the rioting, looting, arson and chaos, I'm enjoying the karmic retribution the boys in blue in receiving.
JQ , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:00 pm GMT
@obwandiyag It could also be that a certain race is a bit more prone to get into drugs, crime, prostitution,
and so on. And truth to be told hard work is not in their DNA. As long as you keep
denying FACTS this will never end.

Canada has to bring thousands of Mexicans and Guatemalans to work on the farm fields,
while half of this people are on welfare, and when they do work they only want easy jobs,
bus drivers, taxi drivers, or for the governments where most of the time they just don't perform
as well. In the mean time people like me are being taxed close to 60% to pay for all these social programs which only benefits the laziest

Biff , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:06 pm GMT
@Rich

Is it common for "racists" to be married to someone of another race as Chauvin is?

Yes.

File that one under "dumb question" ..

171 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:07 pm GMT
Since when gross injustice against a once subdued person legitimate anti-humanity? That is how, to a naive person consumes daily propaganda by the usa government and their presstitute which reflect an appearance of "good america" while genuinely reflecting a clandestine disdain for what is right or such unjustified violence cloaked under the line of duty against the general population would not be so common in the touted "land of the free." The magnet (of the peaceful protesters from australia, to europe and latin america) is not to a "good free land of jewmerica" but to the missing and lack of legitimate Justice parroted along with the moral compass touted by the usa government and their law enforcement while the true reality of irrectitude makes itself apparent in videos such as the one of George floyd's unjustified assassination/murder, where unjustified violence is evident. Thus, with these uncensored videos by the peaceful population or general public of the usa, the truth did not remain hidden by manipulated narratives of the jew-owned presstitute and media in favor of the cia/usa government flavor of their wicked ideology preference while cloaked in sheep's clothing.

In conclusion, When an individual poses a serious threat to an officer or another individual, according to the National Institute of Justice, the "peace-officer" (as they are glorifyingly touted) is generally authorized by law to use lethal weapons (i.e., firearms) to protect himself or herself or others by stopping the individual's actions. You don't want to realize that there is IRREFUTABLY no serious threat nor danger to life once a person (of any color in handcuffs as the estate of George Floyd was and many others) is subdued. And, those marching (or rather peacefully protesting to show solidarity) in many other foreign nation states display how morally magnetic is the actual legitimate axiom of the interest of justice because that no democracy can exist unless each of its citizens is as capable of outrage at injustice to another as he is of outrage at unjustice to himself.

ploni almoni , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:16 pm GMT
Calling all trolls: discuss this as if it were a real event to demoralize and confuse the public and prevent them from acting.
follyofwar , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:25 pm GMT
@Jud Jackson Could the authorities risk an acquittal? Or might Chauvin suffer the same fate as Epstein?
Truth3 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:32 pm GMT
Truth no longer matters to

Negroes.

Faggots.

Trannies.

Women.

Democrats.

It never mattered to Jews. Falsehood and Sophistry is their weapon of choice.

Tazer 2.0 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:34 pm GMT
I don't care so much for the cops since they would put you in a cage with these animals for thought crimes like posing the JQ and denying the Holycaust without any hesitation at all. They are paid mercs and sometimes they get burned. Similarly the light property damage incurred by corporate storefronts and reduction in quality of life for liberal urban dwellers is not at all a concern for me, and I honestly hope this goes on in perpetuity until the statistical reality of black crime is literally beaten into their skulls. As for George Floyd he will no longer be producing any more of his ilk. He was set to marry a lower class white woman and open an establishment eponymously named the Konvict Kitchen, all in defiance of the principles of nuptiality and common decency. The former enhances black criminality by combining pathological white genes from the classes which in Europe would have their breeding restricted by cultural and economic constraints but are allowed to flourish here generating trailer parks and white trash that with miscegenation and negrification are as much of a danger to society as the the African type they complement.

In any case having seen the footage from these events it strikes me that these cops are themselves very unintelligent. In the case of the Atlanta negro aptly named Rayshard they were inclined to play junior detective and gameshow host for upwards of 30 minutes when it was obvious that they should have immediately incapacitated the feral groid and dragged him away from a motor vehicle capable of causing far more damage than the plastic dart guns they ended up wrestling over. Instead they allowed the monkey to shuck and jive for what seemed like an hour repeating the same inane phrases over and over again. I would have been inclined to dump a mag in the baboon at the 2 minute mark. These two men were themselves products of negrification and no doubt they likened the ill-fated negro to their favorite afleets and sports stars they worship on TV, giving him chance after chance to behave like a human being with around a standard deviation more aptitude than they should have given him credit for. If they had a choice between the ineffective Taser device and a firearm they ended up using it would have gone better.

I think this country is screwed in the long run and I just hope it ends in fireworks. The long and inexorable drag into stupidity is maddening.

anon [427] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:41 pm GMT
I doubt anyone cares what he died from, they can just go "change" their signs to some guy in Georgia. They all look like hoaxes but they needed something for "change" to happen. Back to online petitions and countless fake hoaxes and more toppling anything whuhhh, and more historical revision to erase whuhhhh, can't even spell it anymore.
Who called the police on the martyrs? Why would a black person call the police on a black man asleep in the line at Wendy's in Georgia, when they could have just drove around him. Why have the white police bother him? It all just looks like more lefty "change" helped out by the good folks at Netflix or something.
JimDandy , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:41 pm GMT
@obwandiyag Yet they always seem to pick a loser. Funny, eh?

And how dare you bring WHITE victims into this?!!! This is about BLACK victims and WHITE oppressors. GOT IT?!

backup , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:43 pm GMT
He also had sickle cell anemia. The coronary report mention a lot of "sickled" cells, but only postmortem. It is knows that sufferers of SCD show that kind of pattern: Death induces it. However, George Floyd was also COVID19 positive, and there are signs that COVID19 decreases Hemoglobin levels:

Primate models of Covid-19 (Munster 2020) and human Covid-19 patients have subnormal haemoglobin levels (Chen 2020). Clinical evaluationof almost 100 Wuhan patients reveals haemoglobin levels below the normal range in most patients as well as increased total bilirubin and elevated serum ferritin (Chen 2020). Hyperbilirubinemia is observed in acute porphyria (Sassa 2006) and would be consistent with ineffective erythropoiesis (Sulovska 2016) and rapid haemoglobin turnover.

https://osf.io/4wkfy/download/?format=pdf&usg=AOvVaw2aUKMUoT-E7lUm0WvwqQaj

People with SCD can suffer from other viruses causing anemia, without showing sickled cells:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle_cell_disease#Aplastic_crisis

Anonymous [208] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:43 pm GMT
@ICANREAD They did call the EMTs. That's what they were waiting for. Maybe you shouldn't try to analyze the situation until after you learn what the situation involved?
JimDandy , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:48 pm GMT
@Wuok He was dying before he even left the car. He collapsed when they pulled him out of it. He collapsed after they helped him walk to the wall. He was complaining that he couldn't breathe before he had a knee on his neck. My sense was that when he saw the cops were coming for him, he swallowed his drugs. Pretty common.
Anon [375] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:52 pm GMT
@obwandiyag I basically agree.

This was also about the McMichael shooting. And the entire Trump presidency.

JimDandy , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 1:59 pm GMT
@EliteCommInc. And criminals who break into pregnant women's houses and jam guns into their pregnant guts really do get their just deserts when they hastily swallow all the drugs they were dealing to avoid going back to the joint.
EliteCommInc. , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:00 pm GMT
"It is strange that George Floyd's case is taken as proof of systemic racism, when Tony Timpa got much worse treatment -- even though Timpa hadn't committed any crime, had no police record, and even called 911 himself."

It would b strange if what you said was accurate.
enforcement, It is not singular artifact.

I is not any singular death, not even a group of deaths that are rare at the hands of police. It's the ten million plus arrests misdemeanors primarily that end with violence against unarmed citizens that are disproportionately used with respect to african americans it's the related history. It is the sentencing. It is the pea bargain system . . .

It's the crack vs regular cacaine narratives nonsense, it is the rhetorical dialogue -- it is not one single thing, but a compendium of constructs across the country over time.

Anon [375] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:01 pm GMT
@Anon It seems more likely that the heart attack came because the heart was overworked due to low blood-oxygen levels due to the sedated breathing from the opioid.
Sokrates , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:01 pm GMT
@animalogic Are you member of BLM?
Go tell these crap to a decent jury
chuckywiz , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:05 pm GMT
Such analysis is diversion from the main discussion. It does not matter if Floyd was on drugs or a criminal. Why was he treated brutally by the police. Too much power given to the law enforcement. And the bad apples always take advantage of it. Observe the way they walk. No sign of humility or being a servant of society or a protector.
Race riots yes. but so many whites and no African Americans are rioting, too. It is economic disparity and hopelessness, stupid, and that is what the pundits are avoiding purposely.
Zarathustra , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:13 pm GMT
Brilliant presentation.
I was arrested one time and was put into car. Interestingly enough I had difficulty breathing and I did not have any drugs in me.
I did ask officer to open window in the car but he did not. He did not care.
tradecraft46 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:18 pm GMT
Who cares, nits make lice .
Juckett , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:24 pm GMT
@SOL Exactly. They would not even spend the time to read this excellent example of actual journalism.
Their hatred blinds them to all facts.
Talking time is over. Balkanize the failed multi-cultural experiment. Ethnostate is NEEDED.
Separate from Hate.
Emily , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:25 pm GMT
Anyone else getting rather peed off by the huge donations to BLM, apparently about to flow in – as reparations for the proceeds from slavery by Briitish firms.
Seems to me these companies should be starting at home.
What about the proceeds from mills and factories here in England where the labour was little more than slavery.
Forced on the poor for pathetic and utterly meagre wages – amounting to slavery – as the option to the 'poor house'.
Children of seven working 12 hours a day for pennies.
Many dying and crippled by the machinery under which they had to scrabble.
I am sure there are millions – not least up north – who would very much like some recognition for the quite awful exploitation of their forebears.
Oops – sorry – they all have white faces and are not prepared to commit mayhem, arson and criminal damage to support any claim.
Time, maybe to start, it works.
Maybe we less than aristocratic English people should start a few demands in payment for the terrible conditions of the industrial 'revolution', for the Victorian slums, more appalling than black Americans ever endured.
You don't see the black Americans sporting rickets, TB, suffering starvation, diptheria and smallpox to mention a few.
Or kids forced up chimneys.
I wonder how Dickens would be feeling today – at Lloyds etc.
Disgusted and sick, I imagine.
Don't get me started on those 'pressed' into the navy .
fnn , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:33 pm GMT
@gotmituns I've read that's she's a Hmong. As dumb as the press is, I don't know how they could confuse Hmong and Chinese.
Emily , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:39 pm GMT
@chuckywiz Why was he treated brutally by the police.

Was he?
The autopsy doesn't appear to record 'brutal physical injury' of the kind you appear to claim .
Could you detail the evidence that demonstrates such 'brutality'
Restraint surely does not come into that category and there is no or very little indication on his neck or throat.
Clarify the facts, Chucky, so we can all see the cuts, bruises, abrasions
Perhaps you will also give us some information as to how you would have handled a very large such individual full of fentanyl and other substances .

Sean , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:44 pm GMT
@Wizard of Oz The author of the article talks about the knee on Floyd's neck only. But while he may be correct, that knee was not the only thing going on. I am talking about the other things including Chauvin's other knee. Officer Lane seems to have diagnosed Floyd's medical status as one unlikely to stand up to the tender mercies being administered by Chauvin. Lane, the first cop to talk to Floyd, had immediately observed he had been foaming at the mouth. Later, once Chauvin got on top of Floyd, Lane suggested turning him face up, and said he was worried about EXD. Lane's partner complained and said 'don't do that' to Chauvin in relation to him kneeling on Floyd.

If a 300lb wrestler was to apply a tight bodylock (bear hug) and keep it on tight, breathing would halt and the one being bear hugged would quite likely die within 10 minutes. Floyd's breathing was constricted by his bulk and being put face down with cuffs pulling his arms against the side of his ribcage. The weight and duration of Chauvin's knee on Floyd's back surely is what tipped the balance and killed him. There is an ex cop and prison guard who admits he used to deliberately break the fingers of resisting convicts who points to the sun glasses perched on Chauvin's head and the casual placement of his hands while kneeling on Flyod as clear indications there was no meaningful resistance from him, see here .

It is not mere opinion that Floyd was not actively resisting arrest during the several minutes he had Chauvin on top of him, because officer Chauvin was recorded explaining the reason Floyd was being pinned down was he had not cooperated earlier , when they had tried to put him in the police car. Hence Chavin virtually admitted it was a was a physical punishment for previous non-cooperation, but in law Chavin is not permitted to use the restraint technique as a punitive measure, which he knew very well. Hence Chauvin was commiting a felony, wham, in the course of which someone died, bam. Wham bam: felony murder.

JimDandy , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:49 pm GMT
@chuckywiz Actually, this article touches on what you consider the "main discussion" when it assesses whether or not the cop was following procedure. Is the man being vilified as the worst person on earth just a guy who was doing the job he was taught to do? If you think the rules are wrong, you're free to work to change them. This cop will face an American court, not some post-revolutionary tribunal. The question is whether or not his trial will look more like the latter than the former.
Trinity , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:51 pm GMT
Hispanic cop in Georgia shoots and kills white guy who grabs Hispanic cop's taser = NO coverage by national media. Hell, I live in Georgia and I didn't even hear about this one.

White cop in Georgia shoots and kills black guy who grabs White cop's taser = NONSTOP 24/7 coverage by national media.

SHOULD THE MEDIA BE LABELED AS A HATE GROUP BY THE $PLC?

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:52 pm GMT
@Anonymous Yep. The more Blacks in a society, the less safe and prosperous it is.

This is not complicated; it's an IQ issue.

Google: National IQs

Notice a pattern?

[MORE]
• 108 Singapore
• 106 South Korea
• 105 Japan
• 105 China
• 102 Italy
• 101 Iceland
• 101 Mongolia
• 101 Switzerland
• 100 Austria
• 100 Luxembourg
• 100 Netherlands
• 100 Norway
• 100 United Kingdom
• 99 Belgium
• 99 Canada
• 99 Estonia
• 99 Finland
• 99 Germany
• 99 New Zealand

[snip]

• 70 Botswana
• 70 Rwanda
• 69 Burundi
• 69 Cote d'Ivoire
• 69 Ethiopia
• 69 Malawi
• 69 Niger
• 68 Angola
• 68 Chad
• 68 Djibouti
• 68 Somalia
• 68 Swaziland
• 67 Dominica
• 67 Guinea
• 67 Haiti
• 67 Liberia
• 66 Gambia
• 65 Congo
• 64 Cameroon
• 64 Gabon
• 64 Sierra Leone
• 64 Mozambique
• 59 Equatorial Guinea

Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Too few of them are smart enough to even build sufficient infrastructure in Africa to allow the Black intellectual elite to achieve.

Sub-Saharan Africans have never made a contribution to the world. If allowed to become too numerous they destroy previously-thriving and safe White cities.

This is why Blacks seethe with jealousy and hatred of Whites yet can't seem to stay away because they want what we create and maintain, no matter if they deserve it or not. They want our peaceful and clean neighborhoods, our law and order, our technology and science, our school systems, our inventions, the jobs we create, the food we grow, the transportation we invent, the entertainment we provide Blacks hate us but can't live without us. That's why they demand that we take care of them and give them special rights and privileges that we don't grant ourselves, just to compensate for their inability at living in a modern and technologically-advanced civilization.

Some groups succeed all the time, everywhere. Some have never succeeded anywhere.

Blacks are the oldest race, so they should be the most advanced race; but they never developed at all and had to be domesticated by Whites.

National IQs calculated and validated for 108 nations:

https://www.academia.edu/18754731/National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations

https://mason.gmu.edu/~gjonesb/IQandNationalProductivity.pdf

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:54 pm GMT
@Sick of Orcs "Access to Whites is not a right."

Just week we had a White sub-Saharan African (Elon Musk) launch a spacecraft while Black sub-Saharan Africans destroyed several cities.

Name a civilization (or even a written language) ever created by Blacks.

Name a single contribution from sub-Saharan Africans to the world.

The simple fact is, everything Blacks have was given to them by Whites.

Blacks are the only race never to have civilized. They were removed from the jungle just 250 years ago.

Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Too few of them are smart enough to even build sufficient infrastructure in Africa to allow the Black intellectual elite to achieve.

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:57 pm GMT
@annamaria "whites-were-slaves-in-north-africa-before-blacks-were-slaves-new-world"

Slavery was the best thing to happen to Blacks, it was essentially a rescue mission by a free cruise. Being a slave was actually a good career move for a Black African -- as it still would be today. An enslaved Black in any non-Black country has a higher standard of living than a free Black living among his own kind.

After defeating George Foreman for the heavyweight boxing title in Zaire (now Congo), Muhammad Ali returned to the United States where he was asked by a reporter, "Champ, what did you think of Africa?" Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat."

Blacks are incapable of creating a civilization of their own. Blacks can only achieve because they have White admixture or because they reside in White societies. Everything Blacks have was given to them by Whites.

anonymous [400] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 2:58 pm GMT
Criminally insane Floyd killed himself. His chosen lifestyle could only lead to a bad end sooner or later. He shouldn't even have been out on the street after his armed home invasion conviction. It was the misfortune of the police to have had to deal with this drugged-up thug at the point he was going to expire due to drugs and eroded health due to years long drug use. He was a large, tough looking criminal that one had to be careful in dealing with. This is the 'hero' of the moment, one of the scummiest people one could ever meet.
Herald , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:00 pm GMT
@Anon Get a big copper to put his weighted knee on your neck for 8 minutes or so and then report back and tell us how it was for you.
fnn , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:07 pm GMT
@chuckywiz The Jewish MSM always ignores non-black victims of police misconduct. They made a collective decision to do that following the mild uproar over Ruby Ridge and the Waco massacre of the Branch Davidians. Today the Narrative is all about white oppressors and black victims.

It is economic disparity and hopelessness, stupid, and that is what the pundits are avoiding purposely.

We can't read minds, so you could possibly be right. But in the visible world toppling statues of white men and various displays of guilt-mongering seem to be taking precedence over any racially neutral economic demands.

EoinW , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:17 pm GMT
Muddy the water. Now we know why they hate us. Now we know why posters at this site and Zero Hedge are considered white trash. Science is unacceptable when lefties use it to promote global warming or the Nazis use it to lock down our society, but when it can be manipulated to try and prove dirty cops innocent then it's okay. What's to conclude? Giant Echo Chamber! The Left has it to keep their ignorant followers in line. The Right has it as well. Everyone preaching to their audience and no one really worried too much about truth.

This is an excellent site. It's a shame that it feels a need to blame EVERYTHING on Jews or Socialists or whatever the rednecks have been brainwashed to fear. The site simply hurts its credibility doing this. Not much better than Left wing groups and that's one serious Freak Show!

Rurik , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:29 pm GMT
@obwandiyag

They riot because they are sick and tired of the ways cops treat them–

no, they're rioting because blacks and browns don't have academic and economic parity with whites, and the ((universities)) have instructed their charges that there's no such thing as racial differences, and so that means all the academic and economic discrepancies between white and black, and the over-representation of blacks in the criminal justice system, are all a direct consequence of lingering, "systemic" white racism in America.

That's why they're rioting. The Floyd death was simply the perfect metaphor for America's 'racism', crystalized down to nine minutes of video.

The video was simply the catalyst, for a mindset that's been foisted by the ((universities)) and ((media)) for many decades now.

We're seeing what they've wanted all along. White people transformed into Palestinians, treated as second class citizens. Affirmative action, and now free health care ONLY for blacks in Kentucky.

White people will pay the taxes, but not get the benefits, because they're racists and anti-Semites, and like the Palestinians (terrorists) they don't deserve any rights.

That's what this is all about. The 21st century is to be like the 20th, a Jewish supremacist orgy of racial hatred unleashed.

Ko , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:29 pm GMT
From what I understand, Fentanyl acts quickly and if he had 3x lethal dose in him, he would have died earlier.

I feel bad for the cops, trained by Israelis who routinely kill Palestinians and use the knee of the head move. Look here at pics:

https://insidearabia.com/israel-exports-its-brutal-police-training-to-the-us-and-it-shows/

I don't understand why they held him down so long. It seems as if they wanted to wait until the criminal stopped tensing himself, which could be an indicator of continued resistance. Maybe they felt if they eased up, he'd jump up and fight them as the guy in Atlanta did.

The Atlanta cops are going to get lynched. That's not justice.

Trinity , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:37 pm GMT
@RobbieSmith Ali spoke a lot of truth and the only reason the counterculture adopted him is because of his stance against "Whitey" or what they thought was his stance against "Whitey." I do not blame Ali for not wanting to fight for America in the Vietnam War. When Ali grew up, Blacks were indeed second class citizens, far from it now, they have their asses kissed 24/7. Ali was about Blacks pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, and was a hardcore SEPARATIST. Ali actually had more than a touch of Irish blood in him. I wish more Blacks did indeed belong to the NOI like Ali, I think we would have less crime and they would stay to themselves.
Anonymous [363] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:37 pm GMT
George Floyd was an unhealthy man. He wasn't an angel. He wasn't even a decent citizen. He was a piece of shit.

But he didn't die of an overdose.

He died from a cop burying his knee on his neck for almost 10 minutes. Already in horrible shape with breathing problems, his body wasn't able to handle it.

Floyd was pleading for him to get off his neck. He was asking for his mother. C'mon people. Chauvin was heartless and ignorant. All he had to do was get off Floyd's neck. He wasn't a threat.

Chauvin had a serious lapse in judgement. So did Floyd. He wouldn't have been in that position in the first place. We can always argue that Floyd was a piece of shit. Maybe he was, but he didn't have to die like that. Who in this comment section is so perfect to judge?

Chauvin has his own issues. He isn't a murderer either. Ignorant and callous, yes. Deserving of jail time. I don't think so. Therapy and retirement form the police force? Absolutely.

Zarathustra , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:38 pm GMT
3 problems in US

1 Blacks can newer be civilized.
2 Blacks will never trust white people.
3 Whatever whites will do. Blacks will never be satisfied until they will have all and permanent administrative power.

Rurik , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:38 pm GMT
@EoinW

Nazis use it to lock down our society

what a lying POS you are

It was the liberal Democratic governors who were the worst 'lock-down' "Nazis", but to a dishonest, agenda-driven liar like you, the truth is only something to bastardize to your own hatred-consumed agenda.

EVERYTHING on Jews or Socialists or whatever the rednecks have been brainwashed to fear.

Yea, it's not like thousands of those rednecks haven't given their lives in the last two decades fighting the Eternal Wars for Israel, now is it? But that's a price we should all pay for what was done on (((9/11))), huh?

Dweezil the Weasel , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 3:45 pm GMT
The entire debate is moot at this point. Floyd is dead. The puppeteers have their "Crisis". The mob is still out there. Thought crime is the new passion. Negroes can do nothing wrong. When they do, it is my fault because I am white. Up is down, down is up, etc. The big question is what lies ahead.
This was all manufactured to cover the real truth about a collapsing economic system which will devastate nations and economies all over the world. When it hits(my bet is before 2021), nothing else will matter. Here in Amerika, the Sheeple, Normies, and Cucks will go bat-s ** t crazy. It will be Bosnia times Rwanda times Venezuela, times The Stand. Plan accordingly. Bleib ubrig. Proverbs 27:12.
Priss Factor , says: Website Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:05 pm GMT
All this hysteria over one dead black thug and utter silence about far more tragic/innocent victims(often at the hands of black thugs) suggest that the 'systemic racism' is in favor of blacks.

It's like US's favoritism for Zionists over Palestinians, Iranians, and Arabs.

We hear endless yammering about 'antisemitism' and 'white supremacism', but US is pathologically philosemitic and serving Jewish Supremacism 24/7.

BTW. it will be funny when a black guy wearing a Floyd t-shirt ends up dead at the hands of another black.

Trinity , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:11 pm GMT
@Anonymous IF this whole incident is REAL, and believe me, nowadays I have a hard time believing anything we see in the media or read is REAL, I have to say the cop was wrong and does deserve to do time. Whatever the guy died from, people in the crowd told Chauvin over and over that Floyd wasn't moving. The other cops should have pulled Chauvin off as well. The case in Atlanta is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, however. IMO, Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter and quite possibly second degree murder, but that one would be hard to prove. BUT the question must be ASKED ONCE AGAIN, how or why did it come to this, WHY didn't George Floyd COMPLY with officer's orders? Floyd would still be alive IF he had JUST COMPLIED with the cops. What is it about complying with an officer's orders do Blacks not understand? A couple months ago a man was killed right up the street from me because he attacked an officer with a knife. The officer responded to a domestic dispute and the man STUPIDLY charged an armed cop with a knife and was shot dead. White cop, and white perp so that was the end of story.
ruralguy , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:11 pm GMT
@Ficino Covid-19 attacks cells with ACE-2 enzyme receptors. They are present in the lungs, heart, intestine, blood vessels, and kidneys. Many people infected with Covid-19 suffer more damage in these organs than in the lungs. People think they will recover quickly from this virus like another cold (two of the cold strains are actually coronoviruses) or flu viruses, but it's damage to the organs is more severe. It leaves them vulnerable to next year's covid-20, where they will now have "preexisting health conditions."
Agent76 , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:12 pm GMT
It is and was Murder!

May 28, 2020 #GeorgeFloyd Before Being Killed At The Hands Of Police Talking About Street Violence Killings

Video of George Floyd Before being Killed talks about the violence on the streets.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/h7cmBW1QKlI?feature=oembed

May 27, 2020 New video shows Minneapolis police arrest of George Floyd before death

Four white officers involved in the death of George Floyd have been fired from the Minneapolis Police Department, but Mayor Jacob Frey is saying that one of the officers should be arrested for pressing his knee on Floyd's neck.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZWzkgKPZWcw?feature=oembed

FB , says: Website Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:15 pm GMT
@Jim Bob Lassiter

Well let's have 'em (couple of thousand cop murders) . And don't forget to include Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas.

Police extrajudicial executions of civilians are over 1,000 EACH YEAR in the United States far more than any other country in the world

–The Counted

Also we learn from this 'article' that

Dr. Vincent Di Maio estimated that Excited Delirium Syndrome kills 800 people every year in police altercations because the victims "are just overexciting [their] heart from the drugs and from the struggle.

So that is nearly 2,000 civilians a year that die in interactions with police basically the Wild West

fnn , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:27 pm GMT
@EoinW

Muddy the water.

Talk about pure projection.

vot tak , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:29 pm GMT
@Biff I've known plenty of people over the years prejudiced against people of one race, but not another. Yes, it is common and is a dumb question.
JimDandy , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:30 pm GMT
@Agent76 Yelling and posting videos won't change the fact that you're wrong and have no valid counter-arguments to the ones presented in this article.

Thx.

Dieter Kief , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:35 pm GMT
@DanFromCT

As a result, incompetence that would otherwise have remained harmless often becomes dangerous, especially as incompetent people with good intentions rarely suffer the qualms of conscience that sometimes inhibit the doings of competent people with bad intentions.

Good intentions were cobbling his way to disaster. – Old German saying. – I like Dietrich Doerner – as a social scientist and as a humble man (a Social Democratic leftie from the days before the left grew "regressive" (Dave Rubin).

George , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:40 pm GMT
Floyd's condition is irrelevant. If I have the facts straight Floyd was handcuffed and loaded inside the police car. For reasons that are unclear he ends up face down on the asphalt with 4 dudes sitting on top of him. For me, without an amazing explanation all four should never have been police officers. His death makes it worse but the inexplicable part is why he was on the pavement being crushed.
Hedd Mcnekk , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:42 pm GMT
@obwandiyag Are you really going to share "a couple thousand" murders by police with us? Ok, I'll bite. Send them to us in short installments of 3 or 4 hundred, just so we can keep up.
Anonymous [456] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:53 pm GMT
@annamaria Where did I even remotely insinuate anything about slavery in my post? Your sickness is part of the denial I was referring to.
Dan Kurt , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 4:57 pm GMT
@Cranberries RE: Might help for someone to explain this calculation, since simply summing the fentanyl and norfentanyl concentrations gives 16.6, not 20.6. Cranberries comment #6.

I read somewhere that another fentanyl moiety was also detected in George Floyd's autopsy blood. That may explain the discrepancy.

Dan Kurt

Enemy of Earth , says: Website Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:01 pm GMT
I really hate saying it but you could have a video of St.George shooting up minutes before his encounter with Minneapolis' finest and it wouldn't make a lick of difference. The Church of the Perpetually Aggrieved have their martyr and will not let trivial things like truth get in the way.

When I'm feeling particularly cynical and want to irritate the Missus I will say something like, "Yeah, that was pretty bad but he probably did something we don't know about. So it all evens out in the end."

Rich , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:01 pm GMT
@vot tak Oh "prejudiced " against a particular group, is that the same thing as "racist" now"? Does "racist " mean anything other than White? The word "prejudice " means to "pre-judge", what if someone judges a person or group after getting to know them very well? What if I find I love all people except Tibetans, am I a "racist "? For you kooks, I am if I'm White. So I guess that's a "dumb question", since I'm pretty Pale
Dieter Kief , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:02 pm GMT
@Emslander

Videos and photos are very poor evidence because they only raise an emotional response.

This is fact is usually overlooked. I still don't really grasp, why that is. But people seem to lack – media education, or self-reflective self-distancing concerning the difference between being an ey-witness and witnessing a video about an event. – Maybe Marshal McLuhan is one reason that the video-deception is not being noticed for what it is: a major source of self-deception because he made media-reflection trendy and at the same time clueless.

This seems at first sight like a rather dismal academic distinction – until it becomes crucial to make it, like in this case.

By now I might even be boring some readers of Unz.com by insisting on the following factual truth: Tom Wolfe showed in pristine detail, just how this video deception, as you might call it, works in his (sigh, I'll repeat this esthetic fact too now for the umpteenth time) – Tom Wolfe was able to show how this video-deception plays out in his excellent novel Back to Blood .

PS
It might be not accidental, that Tom Wolfe did have a close look at Marshal McLuhan's ideas and did write quite a bit about it, long before he started to work at Back to Blood . – Fruits take their time until they're ripe, it seems.

Rurik , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:05 pm GMT
@Trinity

What is it about complying with an officer's orders do Blacks not understand?

since I generally agree with you, and agree that this was likely staged, and that the other cops should have intervened, and that Chauvin was obviously guilty of a callous disregard for the man's life, (regardless of what he actually died of).. I agree with that all.

But I also understand why some people would try to flee the cops, (and being arrested and having your life destroyed). It's a risk some people are willing to take. Like the guy who was murdered by cop, lying in the snow (while being sadistically tortured by tazer). That sadistic bitch tortured him to death because he ran from her, and defied her 'authority'.

I've known of too many cops in my lifetime who're drunk on their authority (power), and I don't blame some people for running from them. If our laws say it's ok for cops to shoot such people, then so be it, but if they're not allowed to shoot suspects running away, then if that's murder, it's murder. No?

American cops are way too militarized and often murderous and unaccountable. Absofuckinglutely.

But the Jews are turning this into a racial issue for their own agenda, whatever that is at the moment. Perhaps simply as an amusement, to watch whitey squirm. (one of their favorite pastimes ; )

ThreeCranes , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:08 pm GMT
@Steve in Greensboro Agree. Apparently many commenters can neither read nor reason from empirical evidence.
ThreeCranes , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:15 pm GMT
I've never before seen such stupidity in the comments as is seen here today. Something strange is going on. Many of you didn't read the article but have strong opinions. This isn't typical of Unz readers. For some reason the Trolls are out in force on this one. Are you trying to destroy this website's credibility?
nokangaroos , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:15 pm GMT
@Emily In certain quarters first responders do carry naloxone injectors for that contingency – it takes half an hour of training.
Opioid LD50s are house numbers, but it´s a possibility.
Clearly no choking, but I wouldn´t rule out vagus shock.

Overall I´d say a measured exposé, but as many others already noted the question is moot now.

Johnny Smoggins , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:19 pm GMT
@Biff Given your confidence, can you tell us the exact number of "racists" married to people of other races in America?

Your response should be within 2% of the actual number, and please also provide proof of the "racism" on the part of the individual "racists" married to non Whites.

File that under "overconfident moron"

Bucky , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:28 pm GMT
It is possible that floyd died of a drug overdose.

Not long after the video of Floyd s death came out a journalist from the Atlantic tried to reenact it. He was unable to keep his balance for the amount of time.

This is possibly because the knee on the neck was not putting that much pressure on the neck. It is possible that it was it was an even stance and the knee was applying slight or no pressure.

Pop Warner , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:29 pm GMT
@obwandiyag They riot because the press whips them up into a frenzy. There is no shortage of blacks killed by police or whites killed by police but this incident was spread to the 4 channels blacks are capable of finding and drove them to riot.
If blacks don't like how cops treat them, then they should improve their savage behavior. Over half of all homicides, over a third of cop killers, the majority who shoot at police, and far more likely to resist arrest. When will blacks learn basic civilization, or do whites need to hold their hand yet again?
Hippopotamusdrome , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:29 pm GMT
@ICANREAD

Your underlying analysis is incorrect. People overdose at much higher levels and live through it.

Ok. Then you say:

One of the 18 patients died in hospital.

I don't know the point you're trying to make. Other than the author is correct.

Hippopotamusdrome , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:33 pm GMT
@anon

Then, one officer pulled him out on the other side.

I assaume because he demanded to be let out due to a medical emergency. "I can't breathe!". So they did and called an ambulance, which arrived a little later.

starthorn , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:42 pm GMT
Truth is the first victim of criminality. There, that's better.
Hippopotamusdrome , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 5:43 pm GMT
@backup

there are signs that COVID19 decreases Hemoglobin levels

LOL. As if COVID19 is real.

steinbergfeldwitzcohen , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:07 pm GMT
Facts:
1.Officer Derek Chauvin isn't in the video. The person purported to be Officer Chauvin is a different person and that is quite clear from examining stills from the video and comparing them to still photos of Officer Derek Chauvin.

2.One of the police vehicles had a licence plate that said 'POLICE'. This is absurd.

These are just two EXTREMELY obvious facts about the 'video' and there are dozens more fun facts about this incident that really no other conclusion is possible IF a person is observant AND honest about this video: it is a hoax. See: canucklaw.ca for an excellent and detailed breakdown.

Somehow, nearly everyone in 'professional media', aka as the presstitutes paid to lie by their jewish billionaire employers, accepts this obvious HOAX as though it is legit and beyond question.

Sounds familiar. Kind of like every mass shooting incident of the last 18 years which is to say, ever since the HOAX of 9/11 the Jew Spew Propaganda arm just can't stop 'reporting' on clearly faked events anytime they want to push the gun control issue, distract from another issue or, worse still, to manipulate low IQ ghetto thugs, communists and assorted snow-flakes into rioting which the Jew spew media then presents as 'peaceful protests'.
Anyone else sick of this never ending effort to manipulate the conversation away from the theft of Trillions of dollars being presided over by Zion Don, his underlings Mnuchin, Jared Kushner and the Federal Reserve Bank.

Last time I checked the unemployment number, that was previously 40 million, it seems to have inched up to nearly 50 million. I expect to see continued efforts, each more desperate than the last, as the elites fight for power, loot the treasury and race-bait. I don't know when but I expect that at some point, barring any corruption or treason trials. elites will start to be executed by vigilante groups. I just can't see these level of social pressure, outright criminality and outrageous propaganda continuing to grow before average people become frustrated and disenfranchised enough to act. Somewhere from among the silent majority of rational Americans I expect to see a response to the last 2 decades of 'Global War of Terror' insanity,financial looting of the present and future American people with a dash of race war tossed in as a further insult to reason.
It amazes me that a community of largely dysfunctional blacks -mostl net takers from the economic system-have the gall to use the term 'white privilege'. They don't pay taxes beyond basic consumption, cause endless problems, avoid the infantry in every war, and now want 'reparations' after leeching off whites for over 150 years. It never ceases to amaze me how effective propaganda is and how incredibly stupid the far left of the curve can be.

Wally , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:08 pm GMT
@obwandiyag said:
"People don't riot over the specific police murder that sets it off. They riot because they are sick and tired of the ways cops treat them–one of the ways being to murder them"

– Then Euro-whites should be the ones rioting.
– The number of Euro-whites killed by police are much, much higher than blacks, which is remarkable considering that blacks do the vast amount crime.
– It is whites who are targeted by blacks, the stats don't lie.
The Color of Crime : https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/

Tucker Carlson Breaks Down Every Police Shooting Of Unarmed Black Suspects In 2019: https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/03/tucker-carlson-police-shootings-genocide/
Police are more likely to shoot whites, not blacks : https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/?utm_term=.1db63f3f7797
Study Concludes White Police Officers Are Not More Likely To Shoot Black Citizens: https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/23/study-white-police-officers-not-likely-shoot-black-citizens/
Black Officers More Likely than White Officers to Shoot Suspects : http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/26/study-black-officers-more-likely-than-white-officers-to-shoot-suspects/
There Is No Epidemic of Racist Police Shootings , By Heather Mac Donald: https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings/

Trinity , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:17 pm GMT
@Rurik I agree with your post 100%. If Mr. Floyd had been White and the cops were White, this story wouldn't have been talked about outside of Minneapolis. Speaking of Minneapolis, notice the JEW MEDIA covered the story about the black thug throwing the white kid off a balcony in the Mall Of America for about 3 minutes, and no suggestions of race at all. Yep, I don't buy the Pawn Vanity narrative that 99% of cops are decent either. I can't think of any profession that could make that claim. I am watching the telly as I type this and now the natives are engaging in a multi-city "Juneteenth March." LMAO. I guess this will now become a national holiday. How anyone can be fooled by this anymore is beyond stupid. Take care, my friend and enjoy the comedy placed before us.
Bethany , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:25 pm GMT
I've been on Derek Chauvin's side from the beginning. I knew it was just a race thing that the media blew up and distorted, just like that kid wearing the MAGA cap with the native American in DC, whose name I forgot. I hope that Derek Chauvin will be found not guilty and will sue the mainstream media like that kid from Kentucky did. My only fear is that America is not an honest country anymore and even if it is so blatantly obvious that Chauvin is innocent, that they will have to find him guilty anyway.

I just can't stand it. I can't stand the thought of that happening. I mean, imagine that ultimatum . serve justice or risk a city burning down. How can the masses be so misinformed? Unaware and corrupted?

I took some notes today from E. Michael Jones, I watched his video, Sicut Judaeis Non, and I/we have to really let what he said sink into our beings, in order that we can resist it and not acquiesce. I can't go along with corruption and let injustice come to Derek Chauvin. The truth has to be told.

My notes from E. Michael Jones:

"Jewish identity is the rejection of logos- political, moral, economical"
"Modernization is about everyone becoming Jewish."
"We have internalized the commands of our Jewish oppressors."
"We have a Jewish superego."
"Break free from the control of Jews in our minds."

And recently I've been watching Yuri Benzmenov again, we really have to understand the deep psychological warfare, the hypnotic spell we've been under and break free from it.

AnonFromTN , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:38 pm GMT
@SOL What else is new? Repeat offender was a drug addict. Drug addict died of an overdose. People using lies about his death are not revolutionaries, they are just bandits, burglars and vandals.
Voltara , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:47 pm GMT
@anonymous1963 They'll get a fair trial and be found not guilty . setting off round #2 of rioting and looting a couple of weeks before the november election
Voltara , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:53 pm GMT
@Dan Kurt Hey Dan, I thiiiiink .. norfentanyl is a metabolite of fentanyl, which means it has been absorbed and processed by the body so the norfentanyl level would be indicative of a higher/additional level of fentanyl intake, which when calculated backwards implies 20.6 total
RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:54 pm GMT
@Rurik "no, they're rioting because blacks and browns don't have academic and economic parity with whites, and the ((universities)) have instructed their charges that there's no such thing as racial differences, and so that means all the academic and economic discrepancies between white and black, and the over-representation of blacks in the criminal justice system, are all a direct consequence of lingering, "systemic" white racism in America."

The persistent so-called "achievement gap" reveals the same racial IQ hierarchy on standardized academic exams. The SAT is largely a measure of general intelligence. Scores on the SAT correlate very highly with scores on standardized tests of intelligence, and like IQ scores, are stable across time and not easily increased through training, coaching, or practice. SAT preparation courses appear to work, but the gains are small -- on average, no more than about 20 points per section.

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Even after decades of focused attention to the achievement gap, it has remained unchanged.

Vanderbilt University researchers tracked the educational and occupational accomplishments of more than 2,000 people who as part of a youth talent search and determined that scores on the SAT correlate so highly with IQ that they are described as a "thinly disguised" intelligence test.

ACT Scores by Race:

Year White Black Asian
2009 22.2 16.9 23.2
2010 22.3 16.9 23.4
2011 22.4 17.0 23.6
2012 22.4 17.0 23.6
2013 22.2 16.9 23.5
2014 22.3 17.0 23.5
2015 22.4 17.1 23.9
2016 22.2 17.0 24.0
2017 22.4 17.1 24.3
2018 22.2 16.9 24.5

Source: ACT, Inc.

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Black-White SAT Score Gap by Year:

Year White Black Gap
1985 1038 839 199
1990 1031 849 185
1996 1052 857 195
2000 1060 859 201
2005 1061 863 197
2010 1063 855 208
2015 1047 846 201

The new SAT introduced in 2017 was "designed to inspire and increase access to college" by creating "a more equitable exam". The new SAT cannot be compared to previous results:

Year White Black Gap
2017 1118 941 177
2018 1123 946 177

The 2017 "college readiness" scores (ability to earn a C or higher in an entry-level course) showed the stark racial achievement gap; Asians scored 70% college readiness, Whites 59%, and Blacks only 20%.

(Source: U.S. Dept. of Education, College Board)

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

SAT scores are highly correlated to intelligence test scores. The SAT correlates with an IQ test at 0.86, almost the same as an IQ test correlates with itself. For this reason, we can very reliably take SAT scores and convert them to IQ scores.

Results of psycho-metric IQ and scholastic tests are highly correlated. Rindermann & Thompson (2013, p. 822)

In the 20 year period from 1994-2014 the Black-White difference increased on both the verbal and math SATs despite targeted efforts to close the race gap. On the reading test, it rose from .91 to .96 standard deviations. On the math test, it rose from .95 to 1.03 standard deviations.

In fact, the truncated nature of the SAT math score distribution suggests that these race gaps would be even larger given a harder exam with a bigger score variance. Note, for example, how the Black score distribution is cut off at the bottom while the Asian score distribution is cut off at the top. That suggests that a redesigned exam might feature even more pronounced race gaps.

Percent by Race Reaching the SAT College and Career Readiness Benchmark:

15% = Black
24% = Non-White Hispanic
35% = Native American
53% = White
56% = Asian

Source: The College Board, 2014

PISA scores by race:

White Black Asian
531 433 525

Source: National Center for Education Statistics, 2015

NAEP Report Card: Mathematics

"In 2019, there were no significant changes in score disparities compared to 2017 across most reported student groups in eighth-grade mathematics, with a few exceptions. For example, among racial/ethnic groups, the average mathematics score at grade 8 for White students was 32 points higher than the average score for their Black peers in 2019 and 24 points higher than the average mathematics score for eighth-grade Hispanic students. The 32-point White–Black score difference in 2019 was not significantly different from the 32-point score difference in 2017, the previous assessment year, nor the 33-point score gap in 1990, the first assessment year."

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/mathematics/nation/groups/?grade=8

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Blacks and Whites with Equal Educational Attainment Differ in Cognitive Ability

Black and White Americans with the same formal level of education differ significantly in their cognitive abilities. Specifically, within any given level of formal education Whites consistently outperform Blacks. Moreover, this effect is so strong that Blacks often underperform Whites who have lower levels of formal education than they do.

Consider the following data from the General Social Survey. This public data is frequently used in social science research and contains a test of verbal intelligence as well as measurements of participant's self-identified race and highest educational degree obtained. Verbal intelligence tests correlate at around .75 with full-scale IQ and so this data can also be taken as a fair measure of intelligence in general (Lynn, 1998). If we set the White mean score on this test to 100 and the standard deviation to 15, we can come up with an "IQ" style scale.

As can be seen, using this method Blacks with a graduate degree have a level of verbal intelligence indistinguishable from that of Whites with a junior college degree. Blacks with a four-year degree are roughly on par with Whites who never went to college at all.

IQ BY RACE AND HIGHEST DEGREE EARNED (1972 – 2014):

Highest Degree White IQ Black IQ Gap
High School Drop-out: 89 82 7
High School Diploma 98 90 8
Junior College Degree 102 95 7
Bachelor's Degree 108 100 8
Graduate Degree 113 102 11

This data is consistent with evidence from the National Adult Literacy Survey (NALS) which administered tests of cognitive ability to 26,000 US adults in 1992. These tests were designed to measure how well people could take information and use it in a way which would help them function in modern society.

Blacks are such poor academic achievers that the National Achievement Scholarship Program was created with lower standards for Black candidates only, instead of the National Merit Scholarship Program which is open to everyone else.

THE SMARTEST STUDENTS: The National Merit Scholarship Program was founded to identify and honor scholastically talented American youth and to encourage them to develop their abilities to the fullest.

BLACK STUDENTS ONLY: The National Achievement Scholarship Program was initiated specifically to identify academically promising Black American youth and encourage their pursuit of higher education.

They are both measured on the PSAT.

Minimum score for National Achievement: 190
Minimum score for National Merit: 220

Roughly, PSAT x 10 = SAT (out of 2400)

The U.S. government's PACE examination, given to 100,000 university graduates who are prospective professional or administrative civil-service employees each year, is passed with a score of 70 or above by 58% of the Whites who take it but by only 12% of the Blacks. Among top scorers the difference between Black and White performance is even more striking; 16% of the White applicants make scores of 90 or above, while only one-fifth of one percent of a Black applicants score as high as 90 -- a White-Black success ratio of 80/1. IQ differences become more pronounced with greater g-loading.

Bill Gates, after pulling philanthropic funding from Common Core, "When disaggregated by race, we see two Americas. One where White students perform along the lines of the best in the world with achievement comparable to countries like Finland and Korea. And another America, where Black and Latino students perform comparably to the students in the lowest performing OECD countries, such as Chile and Greece."

Blacks score so poorly on academic exams that colleges give them 230 "race bonus" SAT points to help them qualify for admission:

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html

https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf

"Personal scores" are the new subterfuge for artificially assisting Blacks gain admission to universities. Asian-American applicants receive a 2 or better on the personal score more than 20% of the time only in the top academic index decile. By contrast, white applicants receive a 2 or better on the personal score more than 20% of the time in the top six deciles. Hispanics receive such personal scores more than 20% of the time in the top seven deciles, and Blacks receive such scores more than 20% of the time in the top eight deciles.

An otherwise identical applicant bearing an Asian male identity with a 25 percent chance of admission would have a 32 percent chance of admission if he were White, a 77 percent chance of admission if he were Hispanic, and a 95 percent chance of admission if he were Black.

RobbieSmith , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 6:58 pm GMT
@FB "Police extrajudicial executions of civilians are over 1,000 EACH YEAR in the United States far more than any other country in the world "

In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 Blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 Black male victims of police shootings as "unarmed." That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.

Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from Black males than Black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a Black male than an unarmed Black male was to be killed by a police officer.

From 1980 to 2013, there were 2,269 officers killed in felonious incidents, and 2,896 offenders. The racial breakdown of offenders over that 33-year period was 52% White, and 41% Black. So, the 13% total Black population in the U.S. commits 41% of police murders.

Further, Black males have made up 42% of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers -- committed vastly and disproportionately by Black males.

Nine unarmed Blacks were killed by police in 2019 (seven of whom physically assaulted the officers), as opposed to 19 Whites, according to the Washington Post's database, but Blacks are much more likely to have police encounters than Whites. In an average year, about 49 people are killed by lightning in the US, according to the National Weather Service.

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The Myth of Systemic Police Racism:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wall-street-journal-op-ed-hold-officers-accountable-who-use-excessive-force-but-theres-no-evidence-of-widespread-racial-bias

An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force
https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

6 Facts From New Study Finding NO RACIAL BIAS Against Blacks In Police Shootings
https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-study-no-racial-bias-police-involved-shootings-james-barrett

Blacks should be shot more often, based on the number of crimes committed:
https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/tpd-major-police-shoot-black-americans-less-we-probably-ought

Every year, American police officers have about 370 million contacts with civilians. Most of the time nothing happens, but 12 to 13 million times a year, the police make an arrest. How often does this lead to the death of an unarmed Black person? We know the number thanks to a detailed Washington Post database of every killing by the police. What is your guess as to the number of unarmed Blacks killed by the police every year? One hundred? Three hundred? Last year, the figure was nine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

That number is going down, not up. In 2015, police killed 38 unarmed Blacks. In 2017, 21. What about White people? Last year, police killed 19 unarmed Whites, in addition to the 9 unarmed Blacks. We know the number of Black and White people arrested every year, so it is possible to make an interesting calculation. The chances of being unarmed, arrested, and then killed by the police are higher for Whites than for Blacks. For both races, it's very rare: One out of 292,000 arrests for Blacks, and out of 283,000 arrests for Whites.

Since 2015, when the Post began tracking these numbers, the police have killed about 1,000 people a year. Every year, about one quarter of them are Black. This is about twice their share of the population, which is 13 percent. Is this proof of police racism? No. The more likely explanation is that Blacks are more likely than Whites to act in violent, aggressive ways that give the police no choice but to shoot them. In 2018, the most recent year for which we have statistics, Blacks accounted for 37 percent of all arrests for violent crimes, 54 percent of all arrests for robbery, and 53 percent of arrests for murder. With so many Blacks involved in this kind of violent crime, that Blacks should account for 25 percent of the people killed by the police seem like a surprisingly low figure.

There is another perspective on police killings of civilians. Every year, criminals kill about 120 to 150 police officers. And we know from this FBI table that every year, on average, about 35 percent of officers are killed by Blacks. So, to repeat, Blacks are 13 percent of the population and account for 25 percent of the people killed by police. But if police were killing them in proportion to their threatening, violent, criminal behavior, they would be a greater percentage of the people killed by the police.

Beavertales , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 7:17 pm GMT
We know much about Officer Chauvin, but very little about Floyd.

Where did he get the drugs?

Was there any trace of it on him, in his car, his residence or the last places he visited?

What was he doing in the hours leading up to his arrest?

Were the people he was with also using?

What is his drug history?

There's a whole story here being concealed.

Patricus , says: Show Comment June 19, 2020 at 7:19 pm GMT
Thank you for a thoughtful article. This reinforces my original thought that we should wait for the results of the trial. Presumably the cop has a competent lawyer who will be able to review and present the comprehensive evidence to a jury. Ideally the prosecuting attorney will also be able to understand and present another side of the story. Ideally there will be a fair jury, not a howling lynch mob, and not a group of retired cops. This system is certainly imperfect but better than shoot from the hip opinions based on some seconds of video viewing.

[Jun 14, 2020] Some Answers to the Mystery of the Missing Jews, by Carolyn Yeager and Wilhelm Kriessmann

Jun 14, 2020 | www.unz.com

Introduction: Questions about the official World War Two death figures increasingly mount. Where are the proofs for these numbers? Where are the bodies? Did people just vaporize into thin air–as some believe, going up in smoke through tall chimneys?

Two responsible figures have recently and publicly added their voices to the question of six million Poles murdered (ostensibly by Nazis) between 1939 and 1945.

One is the last communist head of state for Poland from 1985-90, Wojciech Jaruzelski. Speaking to a journalist for Izvestia (Russian daily newspaper), he said, rather tongue-in-cheek, that he cannot understand how the Polish population exploded between 1946 and 1970, and then leveled off to become stagnant from 1990 till today. He humorously remarked that there had to have been "a strong aphrodisiac" to lead to the birth of millions of new Poles because "in the grocery stores there had been only vinegar and millions had died even after the war."

The other is Dr. Otwald Mueller, a well-known German researcher, whose remarkable letter appeared on October 17, 2009 in two American German-language newspapers, the New Yorker Staatszeitung and the California Staatszeitung .

In his letter, Dr. Mueller discusses the six million figure that was widely reported during the September 1st, 2009 conference, held at Gdansk (Danzig), Poland, marking the 70 th Anniversary of the beginning of what was to expand into World War Two.

A translation of his letter appears below, followed by a survey of actual mass graves that have been found and excavated to date that physically reveal flesh-and-bone victims of WWII.

Dr. Mueller writes:

On the occasion of Poland's victory celebration at Danzig/Gdansk, September 1, 2009, you could read in the press the following statements:

1) Die Welt (German newspaper "The World"), September 2, 2009: "?beginning of WW II, 6 million victims in Poland, half of them Jews? ."

2) Daily Gazette (Schenectady, N.Y.), September 2, 2009: " .Poland alone lost 6 million citizens, half of them Jews?"

[The Associated Press (AP) supplies news to nearly all newspapers in the US. That means those news stories were published in nearly all US newspapers.]

3) Catalyst, Journal of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, Number 6, July-August 2009: "Six million Polish citizens were killed in the Holocaust – three million of them were Catholics".

An important chart

There exists an important Polish population chart. It marks a pre-war Polish population of 29.89 million people, and for the year 1946 a population of 23.6 million. The difference is of approximately 6 million, or 21% of the total population. The chart seems to prove the statement of "6 million" ? but, on the contrary, it contradicts it.

On page 413 of the book "Poland: It's People, It's Society, It's Culture" by Clifford Barnett, HRAF Press, New Haven, CT 1958, the following figures are marked at chart #1: For the year 1950, a population of 24,533,000; for the year 1955, a population of 27,544,000.

Where are the losses? They turned into gains, because –

For the years 1946 to 1950: a gain of 5.5%. For the years 1950 to 1955: a gain of 15.5%.

That shows in a significant way how Polish history – better Polish fairy tales – works.

Caption: (by author) Between 1931 and 1946 there is a large loss of population, which neatly adds up to six million Polish citizens, or 21%. We must keep in mind that 31% of Poland's population was of non-Polish origin � one million were German, as you can see from names of cities like Stettin, Gruenberg and Breslau. It also included 7 million Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, and 3 million Jews. Even so, between the postwar years of 1946 to 1955, the lost population is gained back again – minus 2 million. By 1950, there is a gain of 908,000 in 4 years. And by 1955, an additional gain of 3,011,000 in 5 years! Can these be new births over deaths? No. They are more likely an "adjustment"- a more accurate accounting than was done before. This increase cannot be from Germans, Ukrainians or Lithuanians who returned to Poland, because Poland today is one of the most ethnically homogenous nations in the world. Are they not Poles, who either returned from the East, where they had fled, or never left?

Truth in regard to history
The declaration by the chairman of the German-Polish Bishop's Conference on the occasion of the 70th Anniversary of the beginning of WW II states: "The church will definitely take steps against such inadequate handling of historical truth. We recommend and encourage an intensive dialog which always includes being ready to listen to the other side."

The German Bishop's conference unfortunately did not comply, so far, with its own directives. They did indeed "listen carefully" to their Polish partners and accepted all Polish historical interpretations without ever questioning or correcting. It is an outrageous way to violate historical truth when the author of that chart names the cities of Allenstein, Danzig, Koeslin, Stettin, Gruenberg, Breslau, Oppeln – in the provinces of East Prussia, Pommerania and Silesia – as "Polish cities."

The declaration of the bishop's conferences reads: "Seventy years ago, on September 1, 1939, German forces started their attack against Poland." (Tagespost, 27 August 2009, page 5) Thus the second world-war began. How truthful is that declaration? In reality, Stalin also started his attack against Poland with his Soviet Red Army on September 17, 1939. Hitler and Stalin together started a local war which ended after 6 weeks. Well, Stalin might have just said "Nyet" and Hitler would have stayed home. Stalin was not forced to sign a pact with Hitler. Stalin gained 51% of pre-war Poland.

One violates the truth in dealing with history when one identifies the Germans expelled from the German East provinces as "Polish victims."

The German Bishop's conference should consider it their task to urge the Polish Bishops to see that those Polish historical distortions are corrected.

In pre-war Poland, millions of Ukrainians, White Russians, Lithuanians, Ruthenians and others were living. How did they become Poles? No newspaper report tells the story.

April, 1920 – 22 years before Hitler [invaded the SU] – the Polish Army under Pilsudski started the victorious campaign against the Soviet Union.

On May 7, 1920, General Rydz-Smigly occupied Kiev.

At the peace treaty of Riga, March 21, 1921, Poland gained vast Ukrainian and White Russian territories with a population of about 11 million.

Did anyone have any doubts that the Soviet Union would sooner or later retake those regions? That happened in August 1939 with the Hitler-Stalin pact. Why did the bishops not mention that? Why did the German newspapers, so eagerly interested in historical truth, not report it? All the guilt is loaded on one side; the others carry no guilt at all.

Bush's America attacked Iraq on March 20, 2003. No Third World War started because no one wanted one.

Katyn

Up to June 7, 1943, the Wehrmacht excavated and identified, as well as possible, 4143 Polish officers murdered by the NKVD. (Louis Fitzgibbon: Katyn – A Crime without Parallel, Scribner's Sons, New York 1971)

If it were correct that 3 million Polish Catholics were murdered, as the Catalyst journal states, one must have found in Poland about 750 mass gravesites of the same size during the past 65 years (3,000,000 divided by 4000=750), each with circa 4000 dead. Or 1500 mass gravesites, each with 2000 corpses. It is not known if even one of those mass gravesites has been found. If they would have found only one, journalists from all over the world would have been invited to come and visit. All newspapers would have published terrible pictures and stories for weeks. But did we not indeed find one such gravesite – at Marienburg in East Prussia, now called Malbork by the Poles? Yes, but they were German deaths, and not Poles. Now, one can convincingly say that argument also contradicts the thesis of the 6 million.

A ray of hope on that topic

Maybe the search for historical truth progresses slowly. In the Maerkische Allgemeine Zeitung (German newspaper), August 28, 2009, one can read the following headline: "The numbers-to-date of victims are incorrect – 70 years after the start of the war, scientists are searching for facts." Warsaw: "The numbers of victims of WWII are to a great extent wrong. That is known among specialists and expert historians. Most of the figures are too high: 20 million deaths in the Soviet Union, 6 million deaths in Poland, 2 million among the German expellees. For political reasons, the numbers were increased after the war. Reparation negotiations were already carried on during the war. High loss numbers justified high reparations requests from the Germans–"today we know most of the figures entered into that game then are wrong " and: " the historian Mateusz Gniastowski came to the conclusion that the losses of ethnic Poles had to be corrected from 3 million to 1.5 million ."

Bartoszewski talks
With the headline, "No restitution for Jewish property," the Junge Freiheit (German magazine) of 28 August, 2009, reports the following: "Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, ex-Polish secretary for foreign affairs, vehemently denied any restitution payments for Jewish properties by Poland."

Bartoszewski: "Of the 3.5 million Polish Jews, nearly 2 million lived in the Ukraine and White Russia of today." A very interesting statement – naturally, they became, in October 1939, Soviet citizens and were never again Polish citizens.

The consequence? Regardless what did happen to those people between 1939 and 1945 – whether they survived or were killed – they could not be counted as "Polish victims" but belong to the victim chart of the Soviet Union. Otherwise they are counted twice.

Final conclusion: According to the statement of Bartoszewski alone, the number of the alleged 6 million Polish losses must be reduced already by 3.5 million (1.5+2). The Poles have no right to count German, Jewish, Ukrainian losses as their own. The 6 million number of WW II Polish deaths do not comply with serious historiography. ~

1) Clifford Barnett: "Poland – its people – its society – its culture" HRAF Press. New Haven, Conn. Survey of World Cultures,1958

2) German-Polish declaration of the chairman of the Bishops Conference on occasion of the 70 th anniversary of the beginning of WWII. "The reconciliation between our nations is a gift." (Die Versoehnung zwischen unseren Nationen ist ein Geschenk). Die Tagespost, 27.6.2009. Page 5

3) Gerhard Frey: Antwort an Warschau (response to Warsaw} FZ – Verlag (publisher) 2009

4) Louis FitzGibbon: Katyn–A Crime without Parallel. Scribner's Sons, New York.1971

5) Maerkische Allgemeine ( a German newspaper w 29.8.2009; "Geschichte:Die bisherigen Opferzahlen sind falsch" (History: The present loss figures are wrong)

6) Junge Freiheit (Young Freedom): Keine Entschaedigung fuer juedisches vermoegen (No redemption for Jewish property) 28.8 2009

~End of translated letter ~

How many survivors are counted as both survivors and victims because of the chaotic movement of peoples, boundaries and rulership – giving inflated numbers of victims? This is a common error, which seems to be purposely overlooked.

We have a right to ask where are the remains of the three million Catholics murdered by the German Nazis. The only known mass grave of Poles was the work of the Soviet Red Army, led by the NKVD, in the Katyn Forest in Soviet Russia. Long blamed on Germany, the responsibility for this genocidal act is now placed where it belongs. Ironically, the only mass gravesites found on Polish territory have been of German civilians. There are not even any mass graves of Poles – Catholic or Jewish – on the grounds of the famous concentration camps. No buried ashes either.

Let's take a look at what mass gravesites have been found, and what they contain.

MASS GRAVES IN MARIENBURG CONTAIN GERMAN CIVILIANS

In the previously German city of Marienburg, now named Malbork, Polish workers digging a foundation for a future hotel across from the Marienburg Castle, in October 2008, came upon a mass of human bones and skeletons. By December, about 470 individuals had been found, none of whom could be identified. A German organization dedicated to caring for German war graves sent a representative to attend the digging. By April 2009, the number of dead had climbed to 2000. When further discoveries were ruled out, the dead totaled 2116: 1001 women, 381 men, 377 children and 357 not identified.

At Marienburg, a pit full of human bones, but "We aren't finding any personal objects, no glasses, no gold teeth and above all, no clothing," said Zbigniew Sawicki, Malbork archaeologist.

Other mass graves stemming from World War II have been found around Malbork. In 1996, 178 corpses were discovered on the grounds of Marienberg/Malbork Castle. In 2005, specialists exhumed the bones of 123 more, including five women and six children, from a trench. All are believed to be Germans.

In the case of this latest and largest mass grave (2008), no clothing, eye glasses or gold teeth were found. It thus appears that they were completely stripped before they were killed. The skeletons that were laying on top had bullet holes in their heads, indicating they may have dug the grave and put the dead in it before they themselves were added.

The Germans who did survive were forced to leave the city. The relevant authorities in the newly established Polish district announced proudly on November 3, 1947, that the Marienburg area was "almost 100 percent purged of Germans." (Spiegel, Jan. 23, 2009, "Death in Marienburg: Mystery Surrounds Mass Graves in Polish City.)

On August 17, 2009, 108 coffins with the remains of the 2116 victims of war atrocities which took place in Marienburg in early 1945, were buried elsewhere, at the Volksbund War Memorial Cemetery near the village of Neumarkt, close to the old Hansa city of Stettin, in former Pommerania. The highest dignitaries attending were the German ambassador to Poland and bishops from both nations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8202210.stm

NO CZECHS IN MASS GRAVES

Czechs have not claimed massacres from the war – other than the 173 men of the village of Lidice, who were executed for harboring the murderers of Reichs Protector for Bohemia-Moravia, Reinhard Heydrich, as an example to those who would cooperate with the Czech underground (considered by the Germans as an illegal terrorist organization).

Still, there was great desire to retaliate following the retreat of the German Wehrmacht and the arrival of the Soviet Red Army and NKVD. Postelberg/Polstoloprty and Saav/Zatec, two towns northwest of Prague, saw brutal massacres of at least 2,000 Sudeten Germans in the space of a few days in June 1945.

The largest mass grave contained 500 bodies and had been known since an inquiry into it in 1947. After that, in August 1947, other mass graves were secretly dug up and 763 bodies were removed and cremated. But there still remained more.

Meanwhile, documents in Postoloprty were classified as confidential and disappeared into Interior Ministry archives. Today, a majority of Czech residents in these towns admit the massacre, but do not want to talk about the case and oppose building any memorial structures at the gravesites. ( Der Spiegel , "Czech Town Divided over How to Commemorate 1945 Massacre," Hans Ulrich Stoldt, Nov. 4, 2009)

There was also the Bruenn/Brno Death March, which began late on the night of May 30, and the Aussig/Usti nad Labem Massacre on July 31, 1945–both majority German towns in the same area of Northwestern Bohemia. Basing their decision on the Potsdam Agreement, the Czech "National Committee of Brno" announced the expulsion of 20,000 ethnic Germans, mostly women, children and elderly (the adult men were all POW's), and forced them to march 56 kilometers south to the border of Austria. Once there, however, the Soviet authorities refused to allow them to cross, so they were marched back into internment. Many died and are buried along the way; up to 8000 perished in the terrible conditions before the survivors were released.

The Usti massacre was triggered by an explosion at an ammunition dump. Though the cause of the explosion had not been determined, ethnic Germans were beaten, bayonetted, shot or drowned in the Elbe River, where most still remain in their watery grave.

No mass graves of Jews have ever been found on Czech soil.

SLOVENIA: THE KILLING FIELD OF EUROPE

Over 100,000 people fell victim to summary executions on Slovenian soil immediately after the end of the second world war. These were suspected Nazi collaborators and opponents of communism – murdered by Tito's Yugoslav federal army or by Slovenian civil authorities and the Communist secret police, OZNA.

"The killings that took place here have no comparison in Europe. In two months after the war, more people were killed here than in the four years of war," said Joze Dezman , a historian who heads the government Commission for Concealed Mass Graves.

A task force of the police and state's prosecutor's office has exhumed 12 mass graves and filed two criminal complaints, with no indictments so far, according to the Slovenian Press Agency, March 20, 2008.

A particularly gruesome discovery was the mummified remains of approximately 300 pro-Nazi soldiers from Croatia and Slovenia in a mining shaft in Huda Jama.

"Gassed to death: 300 lime-covered victims of Yugoslavia's communist regime found in mass grave," by Graham Gurrin, 3-11-09, Mail Online, UK.

They are thought to have been killed with gas because there are no visible signs of wounds. Piles of military shoes were found at the entrance. "It seems that the victims had to undress and take off their shoes before they were killed," said Joze Balazic, of the Institute for Forensic Medicine in Ljubljana. The bodies were found in an underground passage some 400 meters from the cave entrance, in good condition because they had been covered in lime and the cave had been hermetically sealed with several walls of concrete separated by layers of barren soil. (Javno, 3-4-09, Translation: Karmen Horvat)

Photos: Unclothed skeletons wearing shoes appear to have died in agony in a mass grave in Huda Jama, Slovenia. Positions indicate there was movement before the victims expired (they were buried alive). ( photos no longer available )

THIS IS WHERE THE WAR WAS ENDING

Slovenia was part of the former Yugoslavia. Dezman said, "These killings took place in Slovenia because this is where the war was ending: this is where the iron curtain was anticipated, this is where refugees found themselves at the end of the war."

He also says that "due to the short time frame, the number of victims, the method of execution and their sheer extent, the reprisal killings of suspected Nazi collaborators and other opponents by Communist authorities in Slovenia could be compared to the biggest crimes of Communism, as well as Nazism, anywhere." (Slovenian Press Agency, March 20, 2008)

Another historian, university professor Mitja Ferenc , has unearthed more than 570 hidden grave sites from World War II. His digs have cracked a psychological barrier in Slovenia and sparked new political debate about the sins of that war, wherein thousands of Germans, Croatians and others on the losing side were killed.

In 1999 he found 1,179 skeletons in a trench near the city of Maribor, where a road by-pass was being constructed.

[The department of highways pressed to continue the road works, and the (left-wing) government in Ljubljana ?had no objections, although very likely, thousands of corpses were still hidden in the trench. Present investigations revealed that there are at least 15,000, possibly more than 20,000 corpses. The tank trench was suitable for mass killings, it was big enough to line up pow�s and civilians, shoot them with machine guns and cover the corpses with earth. Frankfurter Allgemaine, "Slovenia: Massacres after the War," by Karl-Peter Schwarz, 10-16-06. ]

Slovenian forensic experts investigate the site discovered in 1999 by Slovenian highway workers near Maribor, where 1,179 skeletons were found in a World War II-era trench. It's believed up to 20,000 are actually buried along this stretch of roadway.

In 2007 a new dig began nearby in the Tezno Forest – it's believed as many as 15,000 dead lie in this spot of timberland. Military gear indicates they were Croatians and Germans.

"My point is to find out what's out there. Without excavation, there is no way to know ," said Ferenc.

BRITISH DECEIT; STILL NO OFFER OF REGRET

The Queen pictured with Yugoslavian president Josip Tito, front left, in 1978 after hosting him at Buckingham Palace. Behind are Prime Minister Lord Cardiff and Prince Philip. Tito was supported by the British in the war, and its representatives turned thousands of fleeing German, Croat, Slovene and Cossack forces back to Tito's partisans in 1945, knowing they would be killed.

In May 1945, German troops and Croatians were trying to reach Austria in order to surrender to the British rather than Tito's brutal fighters. Tens of thousands of Slovenes, Serbs, Cossacks, Romanians and others joined the frantic flight.

Tamara Griesser-Pecar writes in A people divided. Slovenia 1941-1946. Occupation, Collaboration, Civil War, Revolution (Publisher: Boehlau Verlag, Wien 2003) that all Yugoslavs of German ethnic background were declared outlawed by the "Anti-Fascist Council of National Liberation of Yugoslavia" (AVNOJ). Those who survived the horror of the labor camps were expelled from the country.

She speaks of the 60,000 Croatian soldiers and civilians who were massacred on Slovenian soil. Thousands vanished, to be found in recent times as skeletons bound at the wrist with wires. Not all were German sympathizers, but Catholics and other anti-communists fighting what they considered a civil war.

There were also the 25,000 Cossacks and 2000 Domobranci Slovenians who were part of the German army retreating in early May to the valleys of Kaernten in southern Austria, where they surrendered to the British who, promising they were being sent to Italy, forced them into locked railroad cars that instead went directly to the waiting Soviets in Styria and the Tito partisans at the Austrian border–certain death at the hands of their enemies.

In the Gottschee Horn (Kocevski Rog), 12,000 Slovenians were murdered. In another pit near Ljubljana, Croatians and Cossacks had been murdered – German prisoners were forced to clean out this pit with a "horrible cadaverous smell" and thereafter were murdered themselves.

Mitja Ferenc said Yugoslavia's communist authorities persistently refused to acknowledge the executions had taken place and refused to tell relatives where the bodies were buried. For almost 50 years, people were not allowed to visit the graves. Many of them were destroyed by deliberate explosions or covered by waste. In some places, such as Celje, about 60 km (35 miles) east of Ljubljana, parts of towns were built on them.

"The evidence is being gathered but the fact is that most evidence has been systematically destroyed in the past ," Joze Dezman said.

Typifying the ongoing attitude of the communists is 85-year-old Janez Stanovnik, a partisan fighter as a teenager who held high government positions under communism.

"I'm not proud of what happened in May and June 1945, but I am proud of what the partisans did during the war," he said. "Is this really something another generation has to pay for – or see used for political capital?" (Chicago Tribune, "Wartime heroes, sinful secrets," Christine Spolar, Jan. 29, 2008)

IN UKRAINE, JEWS HUNT FOR BODIES

Sparked by all these discoveries, Jewish groups have undertaken to discover their own mass graves in the Ukraine and Russia, which they claim to be the "killing fields" of World War II.

But for all the hundreds of thousands of Jews who are claimed to have been murdered here by the Nazi Einsatzgruppen, no remains have shown up in any large numbers. [The Einsatzgruppen were special SS task forces whose job was to protect the German fighting forces from behind-the-front attacks by the local population and communist partisan fighters.]

But it is suspicious that little to no excavation is taking place to verify the number of bodies or to identify whether they are Jews or not, or how they were killed. The search parties and excavation teams are made up entirely of Jews, without government or neutral parties involved.

For instance, according to an article at Y-Net News, an Israel-based internet site, published Sept. 8, 2006, a secret private mission called "Kaddish for Ukraine's Jews," chaired by Yehuda Meshi Zahav, began looking for mass graves of Jews massacred during the Second World War. This mission was initiated by the Jewish Congress and French historian/priest Patrick DesBois (author of Holocaust by Bullets ), with the help and funding of the national holocaust museums in Paris and Washington D.C.

Around Sept. 1, 2006, this mission uncovered what they say are hundreds of Jewish skeletons in a Ukrainian forest next to the city of Lvov.

They say they used metal detectors to detect bullets. When the metal detectors went off, they began digging and, at two meters down, sculls and skeletons began to surface. They say they counted hundreds and most were children . They say they recovered German-manufactured bullets marked with the years 1939 and 1941.

This "find" has been widely publicized in world media as a "holocaust" mass grave, yet no tests have proven the remains to be Jewish, or the perpetrators to be Germans. It is assumed.

We know the Soviets killed thousands of Ukrainian and Polish anti-communist nationalists before retreating from this area in 1941. There were also terrible massacres of Poles by Ukrainians and Ukrainians by Poles before and especially during WWII (over the disputed region of Volhynia) 1 . After the war, there were fights between Ukrainians and Russians in the part of Ukraine that Russia got from Poland.

The Kaddish delegation has estimated that 1800 Jews were buried here–even though they did not excavate and count all the bones. The Ukrainian authorities have agreed to recognize the area as a Jewish burial site , which means the bones can stay where they are. The Kaddish delegation performed a religious ceremony and erected a memorial monument in a matter of two weeks after the announcement of the discovery was made! This kind of haste is usually the mark of a desire for non-investigation.

JEWS GET CONTROL OF ANOTHER GRAVESITE

Another site that has received a great deal of attention is Gvozdavka, a village in southern Ukraine, near Odessa, where another group of rabbis insist thousands of Jews are buried. It was found by chance in the spring of 2007 when workers digging to lay gas pipelines discovered human bones.

As soon as the bones were discovered, the Jewish community in Odessa requested the authorities to cease construction work.

Israeli rabbis "help" to excavate a mass grave they claim to have discovered in Ukraine. (Reuters photo)

According to a story in Haaretz, June 6, 2007, "Mass WWII-era Jewish grave found near Odessa," Rabbi Abraham Wolf announced that the authorities had also agreed to give the Jewish community ownership of the land so it could build a monument commemorating the victims.

Odessa chief rabbi Shlomo Baksht revealed their plans to fence off the site and erect a monument to the victims that same year!

In a follow-up story 8 days later in Haaretz (June 14, 2007, "Israeli Rabbis help excavate Holocaust-era mass grave" , it's reported that a dozen rabbis were on the scene – 3 of whom were Holocaust scholars from Israel, others from the U.S. – and "spent several hours hunting for bones, which they immediately shoveled back into the ground."

In the follow up article, it's reported that Vera Kryzhanivska, who heads the village council, said it would soon discuss a request to hand over control of the meadow to Jewish groups.

Some Jewish community leaders complained that villagers didn't show enough respect for the dead. "How could people just walk past the grave and do nothing?" said Ilia Levitas, the head of Ukraine's Jewish Council. "Where is their Christian mercy?"

* * *

Since these two finds in 2006 and 2007, there have been no more claims of mass graves of Jews. As we know, there are no substantial remains of either bodies or ashes discovered at the concentration camp sites of Treblinka, Belzec, Sorbibor, Chelmo or Auschwitz-Birkenau, all in Poland. The killing-by-bullets of Jews that supposedly took place in the Ukraine is not showing up in any new mass graves, even though Father Patrick DesBois continues to search. He finds a few bodies here and there.

What are we to think? When it comes to Germans and their allies massacred and thrown into pits, we have masses of evidence compiled by official government agencies, even when they are resistant to do so. When it comes to Poles, Ukrainians and other Slavic ethnic groups, we don't find them buried in mass graves by the Nazis. When it comes to Jews, we have only the word of Jewish delegations that thousands of Jews are buried in mass graves that they refuse to excavate.

As Mitja Ferenc, the Slovenian history professor, remarked of his own discoveries: "Without excavation, there is no way to know."~

1) "The Soviets, having enlarged Soviet Ukraine to the west, deported tens of thousands of the Volhynian elites, mostly Poles, to Siberia and Kazakhstan. These actions ceased only when the Germans invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941." And "The 1943 decision of Ukrainian nationalists to cleanse (Volhynian Poles) was [ ] based upon news of the Soviet victory at Stalingrad" (with the expectation of the end of German occupation). "Ukrainian partisans killed about fifty thousand Volhynian Poles and forced tens of thousands more to flee in 1943." Later the Poles turned the tables on the Ukrainians. (From "The Causes of Ukrainian-Polish Ethnic Cleansing 1943," Timothy Snyder, Yale University, 2003)


Wally , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 4:51 am GMT

Well done, Carolyn Yeager.

– A classic example of what Carolyn Yeager writes about, here's all that was found at Sobibor, where 250,000 Jew remains are said to exist. Of these there is no proof of even the age of the skeletons, whether they were even Jews, whether they were even murdered. Yep, the "holocaust" narrative is that bogus.


– Sobibor, mass grave where 250,000 Jew remains are said to exist

much more at:
Simple question: What happened to the people who were sent to the camps?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13204
and posted at: unz.com :
https://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/ -- see my comment # 177
and:
https://www.unz.com/?s=graf&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

And then there's this desperate tactic:

The Big False Excuse: 'excavation & exhumation of Jew remains "forbidden" / But they're not :
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6817

"Jewish Burial Law" as fake excuse' : https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8997

'First UK Burial for Holocaust Victims – No Autopsy': https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12231

No alleged human remains of millions in allegedly known locations to see, no 'holocaust'.

utu , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:25 am GMT
Lack of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Lack of Jewish mass graves which nobody is really looking for because it is not really permitted, ostensively for religion reasons, can not give the answer to the missing Jews providing that there is such a question. Jews are missing only in the Holocaust deniers' minds. Normal people will agree that the official number of 6,000,000 is might be too high and that rather three to four million Jews died during WWII and they are not missing because they are dead.

Mystery of the Missing Americans

There are 2.6M deaths per year in the US. 50% (1.3M) are cremated. 1/3 of ashes are buried at cemeteries, 1/3 are kept at home and 1/3 are scattered. This means that every year in the US ashes of 430k people are scattered into environment. The 1/3 kept at homes will be scattered into the environment sooner or later so the number of scattered ashes will be circa 800k per year. In 5 years it is 4M people. In 20 years it 16M people. In 40 years it is 32M people.

In last 40 years 32M people vanished w/o a trace. How would you go about proving it to Holocaust deniers that 32M people in American died and that they were not teleported to Venus? There are no graves. No exhumations. Nobody even try to find the answer. Wally of CODOH would not accept any documentation because he would claim it was forged. He would not accept any witness statement because he would claim that all so-called witnesses lie. The claim that 32M Americans in last 40 years died and were cremated can't be proven. Wally must be right that 32M of Americans were teleported to Venus.

Furthermore, can you imagine the absurdity of cremations? The conspirators want us to believe that they cremate the corpses while charging for shaving the corpses and applying make up and dressing them up in their Sunday's best. Why would they do it if they allegedly cremate the bodies and plan to throw away the ashes? That does not make sense. For some reason they want them bodies to look good on Venus.

Otoh the question of missing Germans or the question of atrocities committed against Germans can be
tackled by searching mass graves. There is no prohibition against excavating of non Jewish graves. For example why nobody tried to confirm James Bacque's hypothesis by searching sites of Eisenhower's POW camps in Germany? If one million or more died there, the graves should be easy to find. Say, 1,000 graves with 1,000 bodies each. Find at least one.

Al Liguori , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:26 am GMT
The Jews have a long Talmudic tradition of lying victimhood.

Consider the typically ridiculous self-reports of victimhood in tractate Gittin 57b of the Torah, the 4 BILLION (yes, BILLION) Jews killed by the Romans [Gittin 57b claims Vespasian killed "four hundred thousand myriads" = 400,000 x 10,000 = 4 BILLION] and the 64 MILLION Jewish children skewered and burned in scrolls by the Romans in one city alone [Gittin 58a claims "400 synagogues" each with "400 teachers" and "400 pupils" for each teacher" = 400 x 400 x 400 = 64 million]. http://www.halakhah.com/gittin/gittin_57.html#PARTb http://www.halakhah.com/gittin/gittin_58.html

Truly as Jesus said, children of the Father of Lies and Murder. John 8:44

Louis Hissink , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:35 am GMT
This article seems eerily similar to Gunnar Heinsohn's revision of 1st millennium history based on stratigraphy – no layers for a historical period of civilization, then that history is false or fake. 700 phantom years are missing and the collapse of the Roman period seems to thus have occurred circa 930 AD, and not 700 years before.

Given the sensitivity of the topic in this article, I limit comment to the idea that proscriptive dogma is invariably used to bury facts and to keep them buried. Whether proscriptive dogma is used in ignorance based on false beliefs, or is official policy remains moot. But propaganda 101 is to always accuse your opponents of your own crimes.

Without excavation we will indeed never know.

utu , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:41 am GMT
How many ethnic Poles died?

This Google translate from

"Juedische Allgemeine": the destruction of Poles as a nation was never planned
https://www.dw.com/pl/juedische-allgemeine-zagłada-polaków-jako-narodu-nigdy-nie-była-planowana/a-50041291
Lesser cites numbers given by historians Feliks Tych and Mateusz Gniazdowski, according to which in the occupied territories Germans murdered over 90 percent of Polish Jews and from five to seven percent of ethnic Poles. "In absolute numbers, they were three million Jews and about 1.4 million ethnic Poles," he writes. In 1947, at the behest of Jakub Berman, a member of the PZPR Central Committee Political Bureau, the number of victims "was arbitrarily rounded to 6 million or 22 percent of the pre-war population. The idea was that Polish Christians would not feel discriminated against as victims of Polish Jews. Berman also hoped that this operation would stop the venomous anti-Semitism in the country, "writes the author.

marylinm , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:17 am GMT
Got that, you killed nobody. You only brought democracy to every nation you invaded. But you killed my father, you bastards. F U, sickos.
Reger , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:29 am GMT
There are many geographical inaccuracies in this article – eg the author thinks that Bruenn is near Aussig. They seem to have a very sketchy understanding of the ethnic fabric of Eastern Europe both before and after WWII and I would therefore caution anyone to accept their findings or conclusions.
Mustapha Mond , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:08 am GMT
"When it comes to Jews, we have only the word of Jewish delegations that thousands of Jews are buried in mass graves that they refuse to excavate."

Well, story telling and theatrical exaggeration seems to be in their blood, especially the latter.

It's even commemorated in a song about their most important empire, Hollywood:

"Hooray for Hollywood! Where you're 'terrific' if you're even good . "

Take the exaggerations with a grain (or truckload) of salt, and let's all just pray the horrors visited upon the hapless Europeans (and everyone else) during WW2 are never repeated

GMC , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:42 am GMT
The War on Knowledge , Truth and Common Sense will go on until the honest researchers get finished with their work. But the Enemies, that wish No sharing of knowledge, truth etc. are many and work very hard at spreading the lies and cover-ups. If the bullets found in these trenches are known to be German made ,plus the date of origin, then maybe we could be told what Pharma company supplied the gaz for all the other proclaimed deaths – the dates and where the chemicals were produced , would be appreciated – also. I thought it was a very good article.
another anon , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:03 am GMT
This is the ultimate black pill

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-- zillajinjer (@zillajinjer) June 11, 2020

Włodzimierz , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:05 am GMT
If it were correct that 3 million Polish Catholics were murdered, as the Catalyst journal states, one must have found in Poland about 750 mass gravesites of the same size during the past 65 years (3,000,000 divided by 4000=750), each with circa 4000 dead. Or 1500 mass gravesites, each with 2000 corpses.

It is not known if even one of those mass gravesites has been found

Really?

I have found one
http://lasszpegawski.pl/in-english/

At the end of 1944, the Germans, obliterating the crime, burned most of the corpses . In the Szpęgawski Forest, as many as 7,000 people could have died, approximately 2400 names were established. In the cemetery there are 32 mass graves in one complex and 7 graves 500-1000 m away.

White Monkey , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:06 am GMT
Slightly off topic,but also interesting:After the war,13.3 million Germans were deported from Poland,Chekoslovakia and Hungary,but only 7.3 million actually arrived in Germany,mostly women,children and old people.6 million Germans had disappeared.Many of those were sent to Russia for forced labour.
-first post-war German chancellor Konrad Adenauer in a speech in Bern,Switzerland,March 23,1949.
Phil the Fluter , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:12 am GMT
A very informative article. It increasingly looks as though a holocaust was perpetrated against the Germans and not the Jews.
Grahamsno(G64) , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:01 am GMT
This has to be one of the most risible, amateurish rubbish masquerading as Holocaust revisionism.

The title says -Some Answers to the Mystery of the "Missing Jews" – and whoa 3/4″s of the article is about post WW2 Communist atrocities, did you think that the Stalin & Beria combine would spare anybody associated with the Nazis when they swept East Europe? And the most Hilarious bit is that this dogs puke of an article completely ignores the AR camps, how can you give answers about the missing Jews while ignoring the AR camps.

Listen if you can't answer about what happened to those 'Missing Jews' of the AR camps kindly shut up.

Shame on you Ron for publishing such amateur Rubbish here, if you want to go full Revisionist publish Carlo Mattogno or Rudolf or some professional.

Anonymous [661] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:03 am GMT
"Jewish groups have undertaken to discover their own mass graves in the Ukraine and Russia, which they claim to be the "killing fields" of World War II."

What they're digging up is probably the remains of the millions of Ukrainians the Bolshevik Jews murdered through forced famine in 1932 and the millions of Russian Christians they slaughtered starting in 1917. Historical irony indeed.

There is no definitive history. More will come to light as research continues, or should I say as long as it is allowed to continue?

Truth3 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:09 am GMT
Jewish lies number in the trillions.

Jewish fraud is centered on six million.

padre , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:17 am GMT
In other words, Nazis were actually a good guys, while Soviet, Yugoslav communists were the villains?You are counting Poles, Jews and Checks, while forgetting to count all the others, like Gypsies, Russians, Serbs and other Slavs?
GeeBee , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:28 am GMT
What an extraordinary article. Why are these facts not generally known? Yes, I am joking. History is of course always written by the victors. And the Jews always seem to win
Ann Nonny Mouse , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:56 am GMT
I don't understand why Jewish groups and their rabbis were given control of two mass grave sites. Did the civil authorities conspire with the Jews to pretend the bodies were of Jews?

Or did the civil authorities know that if bodies were found when laying a pipeline that they were certainly Jewish bodies?

Although mass graves of non-Jews were known to have been in those regions?

If skeletons are found I guess it's hard by examining them to know they were Jews. But why was it assumed that they were?

And when the Jews wanted the pipeline work stopped, I suppose it would have stopped simply because there were bodies there, whether Jewish or not.

I may have failed to understand the article. Or perhaps it omits relevant information.

Ann Nonny Mouse , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:14 am GMT
@Wally Was it known that the bodies were of people who died during the war? That the skeletons were not centuries old?
HammerJack , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:15 am GMT
@utu

Furthermore, can you imagine the absurdity of cremations?

Indeed, you had better struggle mightily, because in the year 2020 we have learned that all of the crematories in Italy combined were unable to dispose of more than a few hundred bodies per week. Struggle!

Reger , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:16 am GMT
@Wally Here's a suggestion; if you like poetry and read German, try Gertrud Kolmar. If you like opera. read about Ottilie Metzger-Lattermann (one of the Kaiser's favorite singers). If you like classical music, follow the career of Viktor Ullmann. Just these three for a start so you can find out how peacefully they died. However, I have a strong feeling you would prefer to deal in millions (or the lack of) instead of individual fates.
Gordo , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:18 am GMT
It's now possible to determine quite closely ethnicity from a skeleton.

Possibly even use that to identify living relatives.

So many mysteries will yield to science over the next few years.

Dumbo , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:23 am GMT
But let's see, how many Germans died at the Dresden bombings? None, because we can't find their graves to count? The first victim of war is truth, numbers are almost always wrong or difficult to estimate. Propaganda from one side is no different than propaganda for the other side.
gfhändel , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:42 am GMT
Brno is on the opposite (southwestern) side of Czechia from Ústí nad Labem, in Moravia.
Hegar , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:47 am GMT
Thank you for this information. It is astonishing how much people aren't allowed to know. Mass graves of Germans murdered by the communists, and many tens of thousands of Slovenians, Croats and others who fought the communists. But socialist school teachers in Europe harp endlessly about "gassed Jews".

Jews get control of found graves and immediately erect fences and memorials, without excavation, declaring them Jews. "Proof that Jews were killed!" No mass graves of Jews ever found at any of the concentration camps. The "einsatzgruppen" have been blamed for killing Jews – of course the Jews hated them, as they were the ones tasked with beating down communist attacks on German forces behind the front army.

Unz Review should concentrate on these factual stories, rather than Marxist fantasies by people like "Eric Striker," who claims that "the Soviet Union would have worked if it had been Germans instead of Slavs," and constantly makes excuses for socialists while making sure you concentrate your anger about Black riots on conservatives. Unz Review should clean the ranks.

JohnPlywood , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:55 am GMT
@Reger This article (like the comment section) is full of retarded trash. The Holocaust happened, and the number of brutally murdered people has likely been officially under estimated, and the only people denying the Holocaust are those with a serious learning disability and poor attention span. I also suspect many of the people in the comment section (such as GeeBee) are coping Jewish individuals.
Emily , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 12:10 pm GMT
Not just the missing jewish remains – misleading and skewing.
There is another nasty double standard re the victims of the well known German and other nazi aligned Labour (concentration) camps.
How many on here have heard of Jasenovac?
It was a death camp – a real death camp.
So vile even the gestapo were sickened.
It was a Nazi Croatian mass murder camp where hundreds of thousands of allied Serbs, gypsies and others died, suffering appalling torture and murder.
The Serbs – who NATO/US/UK mass murdered and bombed back to the stonage some 25 years ago – died valiantly and like flies – tying up whole divisions of the Germans.
In gratitude and on behalf of the islamic fundamentalist Saudi leaning KLA we repaid this debt illegally attacked the Serbs – the only ethnic cleansing being some 700,000 Serb refugees driven from their ancestral homes in the Krajina (20,000 more murdered because they couldn't leave fast enough), over a quarter of a million of them out of their ancestral homeland of Kosovo and many from Bosnia and other parts.
700,000 who lost it all.
Reparations due I think.
All illegal and to give radical islam a base in Southern Europe and build a massive USA base – Camp Bondsteel.
Back to Jasenovac .
This was the most deadly and brutal camp of all.
Heard of it.
NO.
Few Jrewish victims so written out of history.
Just as have been the millions of non jews killed in the other camps.
The disabled etc – many catholics.
All written out as only Jews can be the victims.
Here are just a few of the links to Jasenovac.
And ask yourself why the silence on the suffering of the Serbians – huge numbers dying fighting for we the allies – not as some groups, not fighting at all but profiteering.
https://jasenovac.org/what-was-jasenovac/
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/jasenovac-the-forgotten-extermination-camp-of-the-balkans/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252563/
So why the silence – only one holocaust allowed?.
And Serbs are not members of that club.
And how many know that the Serbs have been completely vindicated and Milosevic declared an innocent man of war crimes .
Murdered non the less in his prison
http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media
Commentator Mike , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 12:28 pm GMT
@HammerJack Italians must be incompetent. India cremates over six million each year.
Biff , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 12:37 pm GMT
@Dumbo

But let's see, how many Germans died at the Dresden bombings?

Funny you should ask. Encyclopedia Britannica says 135,000
https://www.britannica.com/event/bombing-of-Dresden

Wikipropaganda says 25,000 tops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

My guess is all that got killed died.

maz10 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 12:40 pm GMT
Let me start with this:

One is the last communist head of state for Poland from 1985-90, Wojciech Jaruzelski. Speaking to a journalist of Izvestia (Russian daily newspaper), he said, rather tongue-in-cheek, that he cannot understand how the Polish population exploded between 1946 and 1970, and then leveled off to become stagnant from 1990 till today. He humorously remarked that there had to have been "a strong aphrodisiac" to lead to the birth of millions of new Poles because "in the grocery stores there had been only vinegar and millions had died even after the war."

What the late General is referring to is the common trope that during communism (actually socialism but I will leave that for another time) there was only 'musztarda i ocet' that is mustard and vinegar on store shelves. It was a common accusation against the system as a whole and Jaruzelski personally since he was an important part of the said system. On more than one occasion he defended himself and his times by pointing out – sometimes in a tongue-in -cheek fashion as in the quoted citation – that it could have not been so bad if Poland's population growth is anything to go by (he sometimes pointed out other advances but again I do not want to side-track here) as Poland indeed experienced a demographic explosion. Of course this resulted in many problems, for example despite a program of massive apartment block building – in virtually every Polish city and town you will see rows and rows of such apartment blocks standing – there was a chronic housing shortage.

Thus with citing Gen. Jaruzelski's remarks in the context of Polish and Jewish victims of German atrocities Ms. Yeager and her sidekick managed to make it to the very top of Unz review's comic relief category. My sincere congratulations.

That was the funny part and here comes the more serious one.

Namely Ms. Yeager and her sidekick were kind enough to write: 'The only known mass grave of Poles was the work of the Soviet Red Army, led by the NKVD, in the Katyn Forest in Soviet Russia.'

Let me just point out, that mass graves with Polish victims of German mass executions were located among other places at:

Palimiry, Las Sękocinski, Las kabacki, Laski and many, many others locations such as for example Ponary (outside of Poland's post WW II borders in present-day Lithuania).

I do not know if Ms. Yeager and her sidekick are that ignorant in regard to the topic they write about or if they deliberately lie, or alternatively there is some other explanation – that however is of secondary importance. What is of primary importance is that what they wrote is not factually correct.

One could go on dissecting Ms. Yeager's and her sidekick's writings however I have better things to do on Sunday. Yet the above should suffice to put parts of their 'work' into the category of comedies while others into that of falsities* – that in turn weighs heavily on what to make of the rest.

*With one caveat though: hundreds of years of Drang nach Osten were indeed reversed in a very short time at the end of WW II, sometimes in a brutal way. Thus there IS some truth in what Ms. Yeager and her sidekick produced, this being in the category of an exception which confirms the rule in regard to the rest.

GeeBee , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:00 pm GMT
@JohnPlywood What is a 'coping Jewish individual' exactly? You are of course at liberty to suspect me of being anything you like. But none of your suspecting will ever change me from being anything other than a proud, thoroughbred Yorkshire Anglo-Saxon, who can trace both parents' lines back for centuries with no trace of anything outside of our own fine, yeoman, Anglo-Saxon bloodline.

My admittedly unusual 'take' on twentieth-century history arose from making a closer study of it than I had hitherto stirred myself so to do, in the wake of having been obliged to take early retirement at a convenient moment, in that it coincided with the appearance of much hitherto unavailable information thanks to the burgeoning internet era. My prior studies had by no means been trivial: I had taken modules in both War Studies and International Affairs to degree standard while at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst.

At all events, I believe my current position to reflect a good deal more of the truth than is contained in the 'official' history, and I can assure you that my epiphany in this regard occasioned me the very keenest mental anguish at first. Not to put too fine a point on it, I found my life-long beliefs turned upside down. Not at all a welcome development, but one that intellectual honesty compelled me to accept.

Anonymous [506] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:06 pm GMT
@Ann Nonny Mouse Don't be so cynical. Because the Jews acting collectively have never and can never do anything wrong, it follows that any criticism of their collective behavior anywhere and at any time, whether today or throughout history, is hate speech.

We also know from Freudian science that it arises from envy and that paranoid guilt-projection plays no part in their condemnation of the Other. Laws to that effect throughout Europe also provide scientific evidence that Jews never lie and, therefore, their narratives of events taking place outside the laws of nature and not subject to rules of logic or scientific method must be true.

So, Mr. Holocaust doubter, just maybe the rabbis, reaching into the pits, have discovered miraculously intact passports, photos, and birth certificates as before, using the forensic skills their agents displayed in the ashes of the Trade Center and Pentagon to locate paper miraculously immune from fire, water, and the forces of explosion sufficient to render concrete into dust.

Robjil , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:12 pm GMT
@Ann Nonny Mouse

And when the Jews wanted the pipeline work stopped, I suppose it would have stopped simply because there were bodies there, whether Jewish or not.

I may have failed to understand the article. Or perhaps it omits relevant information.

The omitted info is the following:

Ukraine is a US/Israel controlled nation since 2014.

Nuland's, a Jewish Zionist, world famous battle cry begin the Zionist coup and Zio rule of Ukraine with these infamous words "F–k the EU."Poroshenko the first president of this Zion colony was half Jewish.The second president Zelensky is Jewish.The Zionists in control of this US/Israel colony are even afraid Shabbos Goy to take the presidency of their new colony.

trickster , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:40 pm GMT
@HammerJack It is true that India cremates millions per year, that is their tradition. However to attend a Hindu cremation and to observe, really observe the logistics required to burn ONE body is to realize the impossibility of German logistics to effectively do away with 6 million in addition to fighting a war against multiple opponents.

One need not have a Doctorate in Maths. Just pick a modern City with 3 million inhabitants, visit it and drive around it extensively and now imagine you will completely decimate TWO (2) cities like it by killing and burning every single human being in them. The infrastructure, transportation, human resources and material logistics required for such a task are horrendous. At the same time you are fighting a major war against several nations, 2 with with almost unlimited manpower and industrial capacity. Toward the end of the war Germany was fighting on 3 fronts, being bombed to smithereens and also battling partisans in several countries AND also running their extermination program ??

It is one thing for 6 million families in India to cremate 6 million relatives. I find it hard to believe that the staff in all the concentration camps would be up to this numerical task AND make the bones and ashes of 6 million disappear completely.

I love a good ghost story but my powers of belief have their limit.

Saggy , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:42 pm GMT
@Grahamsno(G64)

Listen if you can't answer about what happened to those 'Missing Jews' of the AR camps kindly shut up.

We know what happened to the Jews in the AR camps, they were burned. And we have proof Action 1005 was led by Paul Blobel who confessed.

We even know how he did it from his confession https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/obliterating-the-traces-of-bodies-of-jews-killed-by-the-einsatzgruppen-june-1947

During my visit in August I myself observed the burning of bodies in a mass grave near Kiev. This grave was about 55 m. long, 3 m. wide and 2½ m. deep. After the top had been removed the bodies were covered with inflammable material and ignited. It took about two days until the grave burned down to the bottom. I myself observed that the fire had glowed down to the bottom. After that the grave was filled in and the traces were now practically obliterated.

The holohoax is a collection of preposterous lies see ..
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ul72dV4SbAoh/

trickster , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:44 pm GMT
@marylinm It is dangerous to not take your meds ! Sounds like you might need to increase the doseage. Please see your Doctor immediately.
peacewalker , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 1:51 pm GMT
I just don't know where to start. Whole "article" is such a BS. OK, let's start from beginning then:

Two responsible figures have recently and publicly added their voices to the question of six million Poles murdered (ostensibly by Nazis) between 1939 and 1945.

"One is the last communist head of state for Poland from 1985-90, Wojciech Jaruzelski ( )"

LOL.

General Wojciech Jaruzelski. Head of military junta that took over power from Party in 1982, responsible for murdering dozens of people. Cold blood mass murderer, aparatchik, liar and Soviet hardliner. Such a perfect "responsible figure"! And delicious cherry on top – he most likely was "wtornik" too (it's margin note, I can explain meaning of this term and whole story but only if somebody will be genuinly interested). During inteview with Soviet, communist, cenzored newspaper. Said something. Wow! Groundbreaking news. Let's rewrite all history books.

The other is Dr. Otwald Mueller, a well-known German researcher.

Right

Let's check this "researcher".

"Die Welt (German newspaper "The World"), September 2, 2009: "beginning of WW II, 6 million victims in Poland, half of them Jews ."

2) Daily Gazette (Schenectady, N.Y.), September 2, 2009: " .Poland alone lost 6 million citizens, half of them Jews" ( )

An important chart

There exists an important Polish population chart. It marks a pre-war Polish population of 29.89 million people, and for the year 1946 a population of 23.6 million."

SO HE IS WELL-KNOWN GERMAN RESERCHER?

And his scientic research regarding even basic facts are based on bloody TABLOIDS? GERMAN TABLOIDS? And he can not even "research" population chart for Poland?

ROTFL is not enough.

Are you mocking and insulting all Poles and Polish citizens who died during WWII? Or perhaps all world's scientists and reserchers including half-baked and fully stoned first year history course students? Do you think all your readers are complete idiots?

Facts: Republic of Poland population in 1938: Roughly 35 millions. NOT 29.89 millions. 35 MILLIONS.

Here any kind of discussion ends. I kindly ask all readers to check that one fact yourself. Find Poland population before WWII. Got it? Now ask yourself: do you like to be fooled like that? This "well-known German reasercher" (and Carolyn Yeager and Wilhelm Kriessmann who published such a BS) lied to you about most basic fact. Cause they think that you are absolute idiots. Are you?

Anyway. Just for fun let's verify very next "fact":

"There exists an important Polish population chart. It marks a pre-war Polish population of 29.89 million people, and for the year 1946 a population of 23.6 million. The difference is of approximately 6 million, or 21% of the total population. The chart seems to prove the statement of "6 million" but, on the contrary, it contradicts it."

"and for the year 1946 a population of 23.6 million".

True.

"The difference is of approximately 6 million, or 21% of the total population."

The difference is approx. 11 MILLIONS, or 33% of the total population.

And yes. It was that bad. One third of total population lost (notice: LOST! Not all died. Some publications did indicate that 6 millions died, it could be one of the reasons for possible confusion regarding subject, among others)

Source: As for official count and confirmation of data I recommend Nuremberg Trials protocols and final statements. It's all there. Again – if you are interested find exact relevant data yourself, source provided.

"That shows in a significant way how Polish history – better Polish fairy tales – works."

Yes. I do understand Otwald Mueller is absolutely hideous, abhorrent and disgusting person.
Not only liar, not only completely fake "researcher" and real Nazi comforter and backer but absolutely disgusting character too. No doubt about it. Still it's always good to know the true, whatever it is.

Let's "reserch" just next fact. That will be simply very next sentence.

"We must keep in mind that 31% of Poland's population was of non-Polish origin one million were German, as you can see from names of cities like Stettin, Gruenberg and Breslau."

We have to, we really have to keep in mind Otwald Muller is not only hideous person, liar and fake researcher but also complete idiot. We are talking absolute moron who is willing to lie about most basic facts, even when simpliest fact checking will expose him as a complete fraud.

Now, I do not know exact ethnic population of Poland in given time. I can easily check it but there is no point. Let's assume it was 31% of non-Polish, just for the sake of argument. And let's assume 1 million were Germans.

"as you can see from names of cities like Stettin, Gruenberg and Breslau"

German science at it finest.

1. STETTIN is GERMANIZED name for Polish name SZCZECIN, not the other way around.
2. Same story with Wroclaw (for short period of time known as Breslau).

Exposing this german moron (and those behind him) is like kicking a puppy. I am sure he is true vile character, he has very worst intentions for real victims of WWII and he is doing his best to cover German crimes of WWII.

Still exposing him does fell like kicking a puppy.

And I am not going to waste more time exposing more of this BS "letter" and BS "article anyway. Not unless somebody will be genuinly interested.

So one final note regarding lol very german cities of Stettin and Breslau:

My English isn't fluent so I explain it in simplest way I can. Szczecin is a name for settlement built/established by Slavs (Wkrzanie) in VII century. It is old city and old name. Yes, most of city dwellers were Germans from like XVI century to 1945. No it's not because this city was build by Germans. It was taken by Germans (not Germany, it was Hanza, lol, it's a long story, to cut it short – let's say Germans) centuries after it rose and they changed name only a bit, to make it easier to pronounce. Germans don't do SZ and CZ diphthtongs hence Stettin. It is as easy and simple.
BTW there is so much more to the story of Szczecin. Like city coat of arms ("Gryf" or "Gryfin", eng. Griffin) and the fact even when citizens were mostly Germans, for 500 years rulers where "Gryfici" native Poles of House of Griffin. Very old and noble family. House of Griffin ended in XVII century, natural causes.

Breslau. It's even funnier. Again. Breslau is germanized name for Polish city.

And again. Fascinating story but let's keep it short. First settlement then town, then city. Slavs, Poles, Poles. One of most important Polish cities. First name recorded?

Vuartizlau. 1133. In Thietmar's Chronicle.

Now if you are not familiar with Thietmar then just a brief: Thietmar of Merseburg, German, bishop, historician. Kudos to him for good effort in writing down city name as similar to way it was spoken as posssible. Vuartizlau gives a lot of hints regarding, well, many things.

Bardon Kaldian , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:01 pm GMT
@Emily Bullshit.

Serbian ideology is chock full of lies. For instance, lunatic Serbian ideologues (Milojević, Lukin Lazić, Pjanić Luković, Deretić), from the 1870s to the 2010s, have claimed that:

* Mesopotamians are actually Serbs
* Siberia got the name from Serbs (S-b-r..well, it's like S-r-b)
* half (at least) of Egyptian pharaohs & Roman emperors were Serbs
* Jesus was a Serb
* Homer, Aristotle etc. wrote in Serbian
* all Slavs are actually Serbs, as well Germans etc.
* all ancient civilizations, except yellow races (Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, Rome, Greece,..) were Serbian
* etc. etc.

As far as WW II is considered, official censuses from 1931. (the last census in Royalist Yugoslavia) and from 1948. (the first in Communist Yugoslavia) show that there are c. 700,000 more Serbs in all of Yugoslavia- and 3,500-14,000 less Croats, despite annexation of Croatian areas formerly held by Fascist Italy (Istria, Rijeka, 5 islands with exclusively Croatian population).

So, Serbs who are supposedly the greatest victims in ex-Yu WW II show a growth in absolute numbers by 700,000 & Croats who are supposedly perpetrators, or lesser victims- are diminished in absolute numbers by 14,000 (despite adding a significant Croatian-only territory)?

The whole Yugoslav & Serbian narrative about WW II is one big, fat lie.

Genrick Yagoda , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:09 pm GMT
@Włodzimierz

the Germans, obliterating the crime, burned most of the corpses.

There is the convergence of evidence again!

Jews (and Catholics) are inflammable!

It's shocking to me that we don't have hundreds of thousands of people bursting into flames on a daily basis.

Alfred , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:21 pm GMT
@Ann Nonny Mouse I don't understand why Jewish groups and their rabbis were given control of two mass grave sites. Did the civil authorities conspire with the Jews to pretend the bodies were of Jews?

Ukraine has a Jewish president and a Jewish prime minister. The current regime was installed following a coup organised by their Jewish cousins in the USA. Fewer than 1% of the population is Jewish – but this is a democratic government after all.

Politicians and journalists who don't toe the line are shot. The victims never seem to be Jewish. Here is the latest one only a few weeks ago – May 22. I doubt if it made the MSM anywhere.

Ukrainian lawmaker found dead in central Kyiv (Jewspeak)

He was not "found dead". He was executed with a bullet to the head.

It did not happen in "central Kyiv". It took place in his parliamentary office.

trickster , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:22 pm GMT
@padre Anyone who ever fought in a war will tell you there are no good guys, no side is right while the other is wrong. All war is atrocity on both sides sometimes deliberate sometimes just sheer revenge. To experience the reality of a battlefield, before, during and after is to try to survive under the most terrible conditions physically and emotionally intact.

As I tell any young man who would lend me an ear. There is no glory and honour in war. These are words the politicians use to provoke youth to wash their dirty laundry while they chill in nice comfortable and safe homes licking up the finest wines and foods. The youth get to eat any cheap shit they feed you, in a hole, with assorted vermin, without a bath or change of clothes for at times several days, most times defecating and peeing in your pants from necessity or sheer terror. Why nourish and nurture a man who may have a life expectancy of a few hours ?

I dont look at war movies. They are all bullshit. I passed the TV once when my son was looking at one such movie. The actors all look so clean and well groomed. An artillery shell landed and some of them somersaulted as if they had bounced on a trampoline and then landed all intact. That is Hollywood! The reality ? When a heavy shell lands among men they disappear. You might find a leg with the boot still attached. A discerning person may say "Yeah, that is Billy's leg. I remember because the boot had such and such a mark carved on it". But the rest of Billy is nowhere to be found. Its called "Missing in Action"

During and after a war, civilians may wax about humanity, peace and love and goodwill to all men, who was good and who were the criminal types but those classifications do not exist on a battlefield or in a war. Even God is nowhere in sight, what would he be doing there anyway ?

And if God has made himself scarce who or what is good and who and what is bad ?

Genrick Yagoda , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:24 pm GMT
@Saggy Once again, proof that Jews are inflammable!

If only we could find a way to burn dead Jews next to a flywheel, our energy problems would be solved.

Adam Smith , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:30 pm GMT
@utu

Normal people will agree that the official number of 6,000,000 is too high

Agree!

Anon [240] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:48 pm GMT
@utu

Lack of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Jews are missing only in the Holocaust deniers' minds.

Were there ever two better lines written to illustrate the hate that Jews have for non-Jews and the disrespect that Jews have for the minds of non-Jews?

"Keep searching goy, lack of evidence that you are a murderer does not mean that you are not"

"Lack of hard evidence of your crimes and our victimhood is only lack of evidence in your mind".

What a lunatic.

Completely representative of your people.

Wonder no longer why you people draw so much animosity.

Normal people will agree that the official number of 6,000,000 is might be too high and that rather three to four million Jews died during WWII and they are not missing because they are dead.

"Normal people will agree"

Who is this, a member of the special needs Hasbara team? Using condescending rhetoric that is so rudimentary and ineffective that it is given to the short bus participants to make noise? Is today also the field trip to the yeshiva, where you will read from the torah like a real Jewish boy?

No one "normal" would agree with your any of your self-interested logic after reading the lines that I prior highlighted. In fact, "normal people" would reflexively investigate the opposite position.

In fact, "normal" people would and do discount the entire story after it came out, as admitted by Jews themselves, that Simon Wiesenthal invented the additional 5 million non-Jewish dead for sympathy. And that lie was put forward as true for decades.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

You people don't lose "part credit" or "part credibility" for that lie. You lose it all. And that's before we get to the rest of the proof against Holocaust logic.

You are inveterate liars, mass murderers, willing oppressors, and thieves.

Trinity , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:53 pm GMT
Even when Jews LIE it is only to bring joy into the world. Take one Herman Rosenblat who wrote, "Angel At The Fence," describing his time in a concentration camp during WWII. Good ole Herman was making the talk show circuit with his book and there were plans for a movie, UNTIL, it was found out that good ole Herman Rosenblat had made the whole story up, it was a LIE. The nice Jewish boy, Herman, had Doprah Pigfrey calling his book the greatest love story of all time. teehee. When caught in a LIE, Herman said he was only guilty of trying to bring joy into the world.

Jews are such a caring people. Jews are champions of human rights for everyone and they always seem to take joy in their role as their brother's keeper. Here was a Jewish man who did not seek fame nor money, no sir, his concern was bringing joy into the world through a book. Jews can teach humanity so much. Jews have suffered so much. And don't let Jewish power, money, and influence fool you, or their role in the pornography business or other seedy occupations, Jews are people of the Book, and the pillars of the community. Jews have championed the fight against White racism and civil rights for Blacks, they are tireless workers for truth, justice and the American Way just like Superman. Go Jews.

skrik , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:58 pm GMT
@maz10

exception which confirms the rule

Fallacious. Taurus excretus cerebus perplexus – and we all know which party throws most of the BS in the perverse hope of obfuscation – they just can't help themselves. Then see 33.Anonymous[506]. rgds

Bookish1 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 2:58 pm GMT
Keep in mind how many tons is 1,00,000 people. If the average weight of 1,000,000 people was 135 pounds then the total weight of that 1 million is 135,000,000 lbs. Divide that by the number of pounds in 1 ton which is 2,000lbs and you get 67,500 tons of human remains. Now how the hell do you hide that much human remains of one million people much less 6 million.
Anon [317] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:05 pm GMT
@utu Always remember that the other pertinent truth is that the Jews were guilty of everything that the Germans accused them of.

As is well-evidenced by what Jews support, control, and how they otherwise act as a political group today.

The Jews are no different than Al Qaeda. They merely work to hurt outsiders with lies about their identities and motivations, their control of the press, their influence on the culture, and their perfidious political actions once embedded in governments. Instead of with literal IEDs.

Jewish goals are parallel to the goals of Al Qaeda, with much better results.

That the Jewish and Islamic religions share virtually all of their theological DNA is not a coincidence.

Bookish1 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:08 pm GMT
@GeeBee True that jews always seem to win but the fact is they cant lose one major war or they are done forever. Israel cant lose one war or she is done. Arabs can lose 10 wars and the come back for another one someday. If Hitler would have won jews would have been done.
GMC , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:11 pm GMT
@Ann Nonny Mouse I know the place they are discussing and you have to remember Odecca has always been a heavy Jewish city. But only when it suits their best interests. In this case – getting more free land and calling out the Orthodox folks . Even goes back to the Khazarian/ Pecheneg times, when they chose to be Jews because the Ottomans in the south and the Rooskies in the north were pressing them to be either Islamic or Orthodox. Of course they chose the " chosen ones religion" for their slave trade and usury / theft trade. The normal Russians/Crimeans that I know that are jews are way cool folks – they even have family is Israel but no big ego. Just normal Russians.
Da's Reich , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 3:23 pm GMT
@Włodzimierz I read the link you provided,

Thats it? seriously?

Wally , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 4:01 pm GMT
@Ann Nonny Mouse said:
"Was it known that the bodies were of people who died during the war? That the skeletons were not centuries old?"

No.

That's what I meant when I said:

"Of these there is no proof of even the age of the skeletons, whether they were even Jews, whether they were even murdered. "

Best.

RT , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 4:25 pm GMT
@utu In justice, absence of evidence is absence of evidence and has been for thosand of years everywhere, except for ancient Egypt . If you cannot provide evidence, the accused is innocent. This is called presumption of innocence.
the shadow , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 4:27 pm GMT
@utu

Lack of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Very good thinking that adds up to nothing more than:

The original statement is that "absence of proof is not proof of absence," which simply means that a lack of proof for something doesn't, in and of itself, prove that the thing is false. But lack of evidence for something is most definitely evidence that the thing in question may be false, especially when there should be evidence for that thing.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=absence+of+evidence+is+not+proof&form=WNSGPH&qs=AS&cvid=8456f19bbf1f4cbc86d8334b0836c137&pq=absence+of+evidence&cc=US&setlang=en-US&PC=LCTS&nclid=1FD86AA1E9C61CF1E0ED02564AB0D376&ts=1592150685972&wsso=Moderate

But beyond the silly proof you offer that the absence of evidence is proof of presence, the answer to your question about how one would prove that those whose ashes disappeared had really died is easily answered by death certificates, cremation records, and evidence of funerals or memorial services that were held, and announcement about the death of the deceased.

But even your notion that the ashes of the holocaust victims would have been as scattered as would be the case of cremated remains scattered throughout the United Statges by relatives is absurd with rerspect to holocaust victims who were all allegedly killed in very confined geographic spaces and whose ashes the Germans certainly did not bother to scatter throughout Europe to hide them as your example of relatives scattering the ashes of relatives throughout the country would have them do.

That you would even provide this example to substantiate the holocauset reveals the absurdity of your claiming it happened as claimed. Had it happened on the scale claimed, there would be massive evidence of it just as the examples provided in the article about the mass graves of real victims that have been found.

Indeed, given the millions killed in the fighting on the Eastern Front there should be endless examples of mass graves first of the millions of Russians killed during the German advance the Germans almost certainly buried in mass graves as the Russians did likewise of the Germans killed during the Russian advance.

So where is the evidence?

An easy place to look as Babi Yar where 30,000 Jews were reportedly murdered in a very specific site. Why has no one looked to prove it with the evidence of the bodies?

Wally , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 4:32 pm GMT
@utu – You really should know what you're talking about before you speak.
Remember, it is your "Holocaust Industry" which claims that such immense human grave sites exist in known locations, not Revisionsts.

– Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

– The millions of other deaths you cite are not based upon the ridiculous "holocaust" claims of enormous numbers of people dying in highly centralized locations in which, again, the locations are supposedly known.

– As for military deaths, I remind that that there are cemeteries all over Europe.

There have been many, many attempts to find the alleged huge mass graves in which many millions have been supposedly dumped. Those attempts failed miserably, as I demonstrated about Sobibor in the first comment in this thread.

Here's another of the many examples examples I can cite.
!! Excavation Result: No Human Remains of alleged 34,000 Jews as claimed at Babi Yar !! In fact, no remains period. : https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314
more examples here:
https://www.unz.com/?s=haimi&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally
and:
https://www.unz.com/?s=sturdy-colls&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

– Of course, utu, you have been challenged at this site for proof of the scientifically impossible 'gas chambers' that you believe in.:
https://www.unz.com/?s=utu&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

Carolyn Yeager , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 4:39 pm GMT
@Reger You say "many geographical inaccuracies in this article" and you cite one. Indeed, the one you cite is an error – Bruenn/Brno is not in the "same area of Northwestern Bohemia" as is Aussig/Usti nad Labem. Brno is in the south.

I will correct this on my website, so thank you for bringing it to my attention. But it is certainly not weighty enough to undermine the rest of the article, which is based on newspaper accounts from the time. Since that time, no new diggings of any consequence have been undertaken. The will to do so, by those in authority, is not there.

Dumbo , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 4:46 pm GMT
@Bardon Kaldian Croat Ustaša killed thousand of Serbs, it's well documented, do you deny that?

This is supposedly from a Gestapo report, if true it's quite damning, it's not a source that would want to incriminate their own allies:

Increased activity of the bands [of rebels] is chiefly due to atrocities carried out by Ustaše units in Croatia against the Orthodox population. The Ustaše committed their deeds in a bestial manner not only against males of conscript age, but especially against helpless old people, women and children. The number of the Orthodox that the Croats have massacred and sadistically tortured to death is about three hundred thousand

(I have no dog in this fight, but have more sympathy for Serbs than for Croats because of the way the have been treated by the U.S. Empire recently).

Pop Warner , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:09 pm GMT
@Grahamsno(G64) The AR camps and complete lack of forensic evidence at each of them is mentioned. I can see why the focus is on Auschwitz because if Jews brought more attention to Treblinka it would be obvious how fake the whole thing is.
Włodzimierz , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:10 pm GMT
@Genrick Yagoda Dear Genrick

Do you really think German occupants did burn their own fellow citizens on polish soil in 1939?

What is written is completely unhistorical and untrue statement that nobody can find any polish citizens mass graves in Poland.

Authors did not check basic data like number of polish citizens before the war – almost 35 millions. But we can read in the article

It marks a pre-war Polish population of 29.89 million people .

What is the purpose of such obvious mistake/falsification?

maz10 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:14 pm GMT
@skrik Dear Sir, it is inappropriate to quote oneself they say thus I will refer you back to my original comment which you were kind enough to comment yourself. Sufficient to say I pointed out that Ms. Yeager and her sidekick made fools out of themselves with their choice of Gen. Jaruzelski's quote and have a nonchalant attitude towards facts when it comes to mass graves of German atrocities victims.

In this context I can not help but also to point out that it is not the first time Ms. Yeager wrote nonsense and not the first time to I call her out on that either.

Thus if anyone here is a peddler of taurus excretum it is Ms. Yeager who has a proven track record of being one.

For this reason when she occasionally gets something right it is similar to a broken clock showing the right time every twelve hours.

Dumbo , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:15 pm GMT
"Let the dead bury their dead". Instead of harping on such issues with a discussion that never ends and is rather pointless, Europeans would do better to focus on the future and reproduce more. Of course, "Holocaust denial" and similar speech criminalization laws would have to go too, it's time, soon there will be no survivors alive, and it will hopefully be forgotten like all wars. There's no need to keep talking about this things forever, let's forgive and forget, and think about the future. If Europe becomes majority African and Arab in the next 100 years, then what's the point of discussing what flavour of white killed which flavour of white? It won't matter anymore I mean non-whites are already toppling Churchill statues, and Churchill was until recently an "anti-fascist" and a hero of both leftists and neo-cons.
Carolyn Yeager , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:16 pm GMT
@Louis Hissink

But propaganda 101 is to always accuse your opponents of your own crimes.

Thanks. This is the truest thing that can be said and should always be kept uppermost in mind when studying history.

Evidence for this truism can be found in the book Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau 1939-1945. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0803299087?tag=duckduckgo-ffnt-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
and also
https://carolynyeager.net/wehrmacht-war-crimes-bureau-1939-1945-part-10
and
https://carolynyeager.net/wehrmacht-war-crimes-bureau-1939-1945-part-11

evidence_a_must , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:19 pm GMT
@JohnPlywood

".. .the only people denying the Holocaust are those with a serious learning disability and poor attention span .. ."

and those poor, deluded people who prefer to have evidence , and not just Hollywood films created by people with an agenda to push and a story to sell!

Curmudgeon , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:20 pm GMT
@Reger Individual fates?
Anything to do with the Hollow-co$t narrative is suspect. What kind of "death camps" have hospitals for internees? What kind of "death camps" have scrip for prisoners to spend at a canteen? What kind of "death camps" have orchestras and theaters for internees? Why would "death camps" record marriages and births? The Olympic size swimming pools and soccer fields for internees at "death camps" were there, obviously, as another form of mass murder by forcing the internees to swim until they drowned or run until they collapsed.
How about the individual fates of the women and children burned to death in the incendiary bombing of Hamburg and Dresden, or the deaths of 1600 civilians who drowned when the Ruhr Valley dams were bombed? More teenage girls named Anne died in one night of allied bombing than ever died in concentration camps.
To paraphrase David Irving, more people died in the back seat of Ted Kennedy's car than in homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. It is indeed, unfortunate that people died, but the Jewish "leadership" declared war on Germany in 1933. The deaths of the three people you named is on their hands for scheming against the legitimate government of Germany.
Włodzimierz , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:31 pm GMT
@Da's Reich Authors claimed they can not find any example of documented mass grave of polish citizens.

I don't think there is a big problem to find info about such topics if you need.

https://ipn.gov.pl/en/news/4230,The-world039s-largest-cemetery-of-the-clergy-Polish-clergy-in-KL-Dachau.html

You may visit Dachau and check on site.

Curmudgeon , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:32 pm GMT
@Dumbo According to Kurt Vonnegut, author of Slaughterhouse 5, and Victor Gregg, POWs who helped with the "clean up", a whole lot more than what has been estimated.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/15/bombing-dresden-war-crime

Curious that the fanatical record keeping Nazis have no record of the amount of coke needed to burn the numbers of alleged victims cremated at concentration camps. Meanwhile, the Soviet archives released camp records are in line with the Red Cross estimates and Bletchley Park transcripts. Obviously, they are all lying and Yad Vesham is correct.

Curmudgeon , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:38 pm GMT
@maz10

(actually socialism but I will leave that for another time)

You wouldn't know what socialism was if it bit you in the arse. Your local co-op is socialist.

utu , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 5:41 pm GMT
@RT Grow up. You are not in the court. You are not even in the court of public opinion. You are among the Holocaust denial retards. You are one of them actually.
maz10 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:01 pm GMT
@Curmudgeon I beg your pardon? There is a good chance I have more first-hand experience with socialism (as Realsozialismus) then you have experience with anything at all.
Bardon Kaldian , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:12 pm GMT
@Dumbo Just a c-p for clueless people.

* during 1918-1939 period, Yugoslavia was basically a softer version of Greater Serbia, with all nations-except Slovenes- oppressed. Close to 400 Croats & ca. 2000 Muslims had been killed by Serbian paramilitaries & government forces during "peaceful" period in the 1920s & 1930s. The turning point was assassination of Croatian leader Stjepan Radić, a sort of Croatian Gandhi, by a Serb nationalist in Yugoslav parliament in 1928. This convinced some Croats that any Yugoslavia was insufferable, and the most influential among them was future Poglavnik/"Leader" Ante Pavelić, who emigrated & founded a revolutionary terrorist organization ustaše (ca. 200-300 people).

* after the collapse of Yugoslavia in the April war 1941, situation in Croatia & Bosnia and Herzegovina was something like a vacuum. No Croatian politician wanted to become the head of state patronized by Nazi German authorities, but at the same time there was a sense of jubilation: Croats got independent (in theory) country, after decades of Serbian oppression. In this vacuum, Pavelić was installed by Hitler and Mussolini as a kind of puppet. In this country, ca. 50-60% were Croats & more than 30% were Serbs (the rest were Bosnian Muslims, considered to be Croats).

* Pavelić assumed power on April the 10th 1941. But even a week before that, Serb paramilitaries had started killing Croats & some 200-400 people were killed in the interregnum. After he had been installed, Pavelić actually dissolved parliament & established a dictatorship; Croatia was crippled & many vital areas, especially in Dalmatia, were given to Mussolini's Italy. Also, he introduced racial laws for Jews & started to persecute Serbs- both as a revenge for their participation in royalist Yugoslavia period terror & their atrocities during interregnum. In next few months perhaps 5-20,000 Serbs were killed by ustaše in various areas of NDH/Independent State of Croatia.

Basically, it was a terrorist regime & most Croats disapproved of it, but were expecting to get rid of ustaše in some future & retain statehood under democratic circumstances. So, Croats wanted a truly independent country.

* Serbs, being persecuted (along with Jews & Gypsies) rebelled on a massive scale in the last quarter of 1941 & many areas of NDH had become virtually defunct. This resulted in further Pavelić's dependence to Hitler. On the other hand, communist partisans, led by a Croat, Josip Broz Tito, after their defeat in Serbia fled with remnants of their army to the NDH territory. There, they found refuge among Serbs, while many of them defected to royalist Četniks led by Serbian colonel Mihailović. Četniks had killed, during 1941, ca. 12-15,000 Muslim & Croat civilians, mostly in the eastern Bosnia regions.

From 1941-1945 there was a civil war in all of Yugoslavia, with various factions fighting for different aims. In Croatia, more Croats had been coming to partisans, especially after 1943 (fall of Italy) & thus partisans became a respectable force. For instance, Croatia had 5 partisan corpses (4 of them with clear Croatian majority), while Slovenia had 2, Bosnia & Herzegovina 2, Serbia proper 2 etc.

* in may 1945, war was over & partisans had won. But, in 2- 6 weeks after the end of war, they committed mass atrocities, killing ca. 80,000-130,000 Croatian soldiers & civilians, perhaps 10,000 Serbian Četniks & up to 4,000 Slovenian white guards.

Modern unbiased historical investigations have dispelled many myths, especially those re number of victims in Yugoslavia & NDH in particular. In sum, in all of Yugoslavia, ca. 500,000 Serbs had died unnatural deaths & this included some 300,000 Serbs in NDH. Of these, perhaps over 100,000 had been killed by ustaše, while others died of typhoid, were killed by Germans, Četniks etc. Among Croats, ca. 200- 250,000 died of unnatural causes, virtually all of them in NDH on various sides. Percentage-wise, the biggest losses were among Bosnian Muslims, over 80,000.

https://www.hercegbosna.org/STARO/engleski/download.html

For instance:

https://www.hercegbosna.org/STARO/download-eng/Zerjavic_manipulations.pdf

Vladimir Zerjavic- YUGOSLAVIA-MANIPULATIONS -WITH THE NUMBER OF SECOND WORLD WAR VICTIMS

https://www.hercegbosna.org/STARO/download-eng/Greater_Serbia.pdf

GREATER SERBIA: from Ideology to Aggression,

https://www.hercegbosna.org/STARO/download-eng/SE_Europe.pdf

An International Symposium: SOUTHEASTERN EUROPE 1918-1995

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=D46A71C24EB2DFA356DF7B7DFF095E5F

War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941-1945: Occupation and Collaboration – Jozo Tomasevich

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=BC54C7CC4AD01FA7B4056FF06D130363

The National Question in Yugoslavia: Origins, History, Politics – Ivo Banac

VICB3 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:18 pm GMT
@utu Bottom line is that the whole existing Jewish Holocaust narrative is not supported by the evidence. And any competent detective would spot the inconsistencies and contrary evidence in the overall narrative and conclude that either the witness is fabricating and embellishing what actually happened, or very simply is lying.

That's not the same thing as saying no Jews were killed in Europe, or that I'd want to be Jewish and in Europe in WWII. (Hell, I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere in Europe during WWII period!) Rather, it's very clear that everybody was killing everybody else in those places and at that time based on ethnicity, nationality, politics, being on the losing side or what have you, including plain old greed, and that nobodies' hands were clean. Warfare will do that.

That, and the subsequent coverups, denials and spinmeistering over the years by all actors concerning massacres and reprisals, large scale thefts, organized starvations and ethnic cleansing are more over embarrassment and concerns about reputations than anything else. Likewise, the claiming of this, that or the other mass grave as your own is just as much about economic advantage and fortune seeking as it is about validation.

Enough! It was 80 odd years ago. Learn about what happened, all that happened and why, and to all peoples who were present, without favour given to an influential (for now) few. Resolve that it was monstrous for all, and resolve that it ought not to happen again. And then move on.

Just a thought.

VicB3

Fox , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:25 pm GMT
@peacewalker This sort of opinion is as childishly chauvinistic now as it was in 1850, 1920, 1939 and 1990. Did you know that Eastern Germany has been only given to the Poland for temporary administration by the Soviets? Notwithstanding the weird actions of the people in power in the FRG, Poland's borders are defined by international law by the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles to which Poland was a signatory party.
Alternate History , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:28 pm GMT
@utu Nice deflection, troll. People no longer believe the Red Cross account of 430k.
jbwilson24 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:39 pm GMT
@GMC " The normal Russians/Crimeans that I know that are jews are way cool folks – they even have family is Israel but no big ego. Just normal Russians."

Nonsense. Jews are not Russians, period. Different ethnic group, different loyalties. Given a brouhaha, you'll see which group they side with.

Bardon Kaldian , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:41 pm GMT
@VICB3

Bottom line is that the whole existing Jewish Holocaust narrative is not supported by the evidence. And any competent detective would spot the inconsistencies and contrary evidence in the overall narrative and conclude that either the witness is fabricating and embellishing what actually happened, or very simply is lying.

This is stupid. It is very easy to calculate upper & lower limits of losses of various European peoples during WW2, just by feeding the computer with pre-war & post-war census data and taking into account border changes.

True, some figures overlap & there is a significant standard deviation for some numbers. But, generally, overall picture is rather well established.

jbwilson24 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:47 pm GMT
@utu "Grow up. You are not in the court."

Nonsense, low IQ person. The burden of proof is on the person making the existential claim, not on the person questioning it. I suggest opening a basic critical thinking book at some point in your life.

Fact is that the evidence for the deliberate murder of 6,000,000 Jews is almost entirely missing, apart from 'confessions' obtained under torture and the claims of self-interested parties who stand something to gain.

Add to that any number of oddities.

– Official reports from the Red Army indicating that the area around Treblinka was pastoral and undisturbed, contrasting with eyewitness accounts (by Jews) of skulls being strewn everywhere.
– Red Cross records mentioning nothing of a mass murder campaign costing millions of lives.
– Putin's comments that the Soviets transferred millions of Jews out of Poland
– The number of compensation claims registered with the German government reaching the 4 million mark, when the Nazis estimated the total number of Jews in Nazi occupied territory was smaller than this.
– The physical impossibility of outdoor cremation of millions of people using barbeques made from train rails and stacks of wood (which magically worked, even in the snow and rain).
– The lack of cross examination at the Nuremburg tribunal.

It smells mightily of a Jewish fantasy enabling them to guilt trip the Germans, cover up British war crimes, and justify the theft of Arab land.

Rich , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 6:47 pm GMT
Obviously the holocaust must be fake or there wouldn't be laws against researching it, or disputing different aspects of it. Historical events that happened have no laws forbidding questioning or debating them. We can argue over how many died at Stalingrad, or in Hiroshima. We can question the number who starved in the Potato Famine, or from Smallpox in American Indian tribes. But one so-called "historical" event must never be questioned? Ridiculous. The fact that laws force one to believe in it, makes me doubt it completely.
Carolyn Yeager , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:05 pm GMT
@Grahamsno(G64) I asked Ron Unz to put the title "Some Answers to the Mystery of the "Missing Jews" on the article; the original title is the sub-title you see here. I think it's perfectly justified – note the word "Some." Not 'The answer' or 'An answer', but only 'Some answers', which in retrospect over the last 10 years it does provide. If the communists murdered thousands and hundreds of thousands of Eastern European peoples, as you say, doesn't that impact the WWII death toll and the "missing jews"?

Holocaust believers like yourself have never been able to show the existence of the remains of those millions of bodies you say the German's killed. In light of that it's amazing anyone can still defend this cult of death.

That explains why you are reduced to personal insult, ad hominem and distractions like "what about the AR camps," instead of explaining why only Axis forces have been unearthed in mass graves since the war's end, and no Allied forces. That includes no Jews.

Also, FYI (and others), "Revisionism" is not something dictated from above by certain "professionals" but is individual works by individuals who study various aspects of history and put their work out there for scrutiny. Not something you are capable of appreciating, I know. So far, you have said nothing that debunks this article that is based on documented reality.

Amon , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:19 pm GMT
@utu

Jews are missing only in the Holocaust deniers' minds.

Jews historically have had no homeland and thus feel no attachment or sentimental value to the lands upon which they live. It is therefore not that hard to speculate that once news of the evil Nazis approaching reached them that they packed up and moved further east or west to avoid getting mixed up in the actual fighting.

We see this mentality at full effect even today when millions of whites and blacks are sent around the world to kill, maim and occupy foreign nations while the jews who profit from it all stay at home in their million dollar mansions and closed off ghettos demanding to be given the best of the special treatment for their eternal victimhood.

clay sucre , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:38 pm GMT
Lack of evidence is not evidence of abscence-but is rather objective evidence of the non-existence of such a claim or cause of which one has been supportive or others forced to accept as truth.
Art , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 7:47 pm GMT
@utu Grow up. You are not in the court. You are not even in the court of public opinion. You are among the Holocaust denial retards. You are one of them actually.

Poor little utu – is he a Jew terrorist – or one of the feeble-minded gentiles, who falls for the Stockholm Syndrome Jew victim "six-million" lie. He is clearly on the wrong side of history.

As is abundantly clear from this article and its comments – many if not most of central Europe's ethnic peoples experienced group murder. 55,000,000 people died during WWII. Jews where just one tribe of many.

Instead of forgiving and healing all – the Jews have grabbed all the sick "victimhood glory" for themselves and used it as a cudgel to do even more killing in the Middle East.

Maintaining the "six-million" lie has cost America its cohesion and Western idealism – we are divided today into identity groups warring with each other -- all to maintain terroristic Jew political control, aimed at sustaining the "six-million" lie. Anyone who dares to disagree with the Jew lie – is terrorized and ostracized from society.

So what is it for little utu – Jew terrorist or fool?

A fool can intellectually grow – a morally poor Jew who supports "the lie" is hopeless.

Anonymous [506] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:16 pm GMT
@Robjil Judging by the aggressive theft of Ukraine farmland for pennies on the dollar by Chabad, instrumentalized by Nuland's lackeys at the Dept of State, and the consequent dispossession of Ukrainian farm people à la Palestinians in Palestine, my guess is that Israel intends to use the Ukraine as the "breadbasket" of the JWO in Europe, just as a de-industrialized United States, with its white population exterminated, will become the JWOs breadbasket in the Western Hemisphere.
Beefcake the Mighty , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:16 pm GMT
Where did they go? They were never there in the first place. Part of the puzzle can be resolved here:

https://www.bjpa.org/content/upload/bjpa/dell/DellaPergola%20Some%20Fundamentals.pdf

His aggregate numbers (in Table 2 on p. 10) are consistent with the numbers from the Jewish Virtual Library. But what's curious are the numbers for Eastern Europe (i.e. Imperial Russia/Soviet Union and Poland primarily) The American population exploded between 1880 and 1939. That's the well-known turn-of-the century influx. It's safe to assume that about 5M of the American number was due to immigration (applying a reasonable 0.5% growth rate to the 1880 population), and that it was mainly from Eastern Europe. That would mean that the stock of Eastern European Jews grew from 5.7M in 1880 to about 8.2M+5M = 13.2M in 1939, an annualized growth rate of 1.4%. This is simply not believable, given the chaos afflicting Eastern Europe during this time period. If we apply the 0.9% growth rate claimed for world Jewish inter-war population by the JVL (probably high but not absurdly so) to the 5.7M Eastern European stock, and subtract off the 5M that emigrated to America, we get an Eastern European Jewish population in 1939 of around 4.7M, which is at least 3.5M less than commonly claimed. (It was probably even less than 4.7M, given emigration to Palestine.) World Jewish population in 1939 was probably around 16.7M-3.5M = 13.2M, not 16.7M, implying Jewish losses during the war of around 2.2M. This number is consistent with German documentation re. the AR camps, Auschwitz, and the EG shootings, as well as Red Cross documentation about the Western camps. It's highly likely that both the Soviet and Polish 1939 numbers were exaggerated by at least 1M each. The numbers for the eastern part of the old Austro-Hungarian empire should also be viewed skeptically. (The 1931 Polish census claiming over 3M Jews is well-known, but there was a 1921 census claiming 2M Jews; there is no way the Polish Jewish population grew at a 4% annualized rate in that decade.)

anarchyst , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:21 pm GMT
Hitting the holohoax (oops I mean "holocaust™") head-on doesn't work because of the jew-controlled media which has declared "holocaustianity™" to be the new worldwide "state religion" from which no dissension from its "orthodoxy" is permitted.
The only way to counter "holocaustianity™" is to point out the scientific and engineering impossibility of every "holocaust™" claim.
Let's look at a number of claims that have been made and have been ingrained in "holocaust™" orthodoxy:
-- using "bug spray" (Zyklon B) as an execution agent (ha ha)
-- "gas chambers" with ordinary wooden doors, not gas-tight doors
-- "gas chambers" with no means to ventilate the chambers after "operation"
-- "gas chamber" chimney not connected to anything
-- "blood spurting out of the ground" for weeks and months
-- "crematoria stacks with visible flames" (not possible) crematoria burn clean
-- "thousands of bodies cremated per day" (not possible)
-- "multiple bodies" in one "muffle" to "speed up" operations
-- "lampshades, soap and shrunken heads", oh my
-- "the ability to tell when jews are being cremated by the smell or color of smoke"
-- "claimed burial grounds not being permitted to be disturbed" per jewish "law"
NONE of these claims are possible or valid and can be easily debunked using sound scientific and engineering principles.
I have been thrown out (asked to leave) those "jewish freak shows" called "holocaust™"museums for merely attempting to point out these facts.
Priss Factor , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 8:29 pm GMT
@Genrick Yagoda

Once again, proof that Jews are inflammable!

Bodies decay fast and animals pick them off.

Look at nature. So many creatures but vanish without a trace. Animals come and eat them. Often, animals even grind and eat the bones.

Hyenas can crack elephant bones with their jaws.

It's been said the Great Leap killed tens of millions of Chinese. Them bodies disappeared real fast.

And many Civil War dead bodies and WWI dead bodies in the trenches just rotted in the fields.

Every year, tons of cows and pigs are killed. They are disposed of without a trace.

Art , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:02 pm GMT
@jbwilson24 It smells mightily of a Jewish fantasy enabling them to guilt trip the Germans, cover up British war crimes, and justify the theft of Arab land.

Say jbwilson24 -- did you kill any Jews -- I didn't!

Hmm -- then why are we being held guilty? 98% of everybody alive today was not even living during the war. Yet, the Jews act like we are ALL guilty for WWII.

Using a vile false guilt trip, the Jews have seized power over the West.

We are coming to understand this ploy – human nature does not like lies – it rebels.

p.s. Jew use of the Stockholm Syndrome, rules the West. (terror first – claim victimization second)

Zarathustra , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:27 pm GMT
@Robjil And what about that yuletide girl? What she was a dogs pipi.
snag , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:27 pm GMT
Why do you write "Polish historical interpretations" knowing that after WWII this so called 'Polish' regime was infested by (appointed) Stalin Jews and few Polish commies with suspicious past? *

*During Poland's partition many Jews bought for cents on dollar or acquired (for snitching) names, estates and noble titles of Polish patriots shipped to Siberia.

Agent76 , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:32 pm GMT
Jan 30, 2016 Operation Reinhard: The Murder of Polish Jewry

How did the horror of the Nazi death camps evolve? Auschwitz didn't just sprout from the ground one day. There was an "evolution" of the murder machinery, and a cast of diabolical characters most people have never heard of.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KQwjAF69SNk?feature=oembed

Feb 4, 2017 The rise of Hitler 1919-1929: revision for IGCSE & GCSE History exams

This revision podcast is relevant to both GCSE and IGCSE History students studying Nazi Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/N7r6EIxkz30?feature=oembed

Zarathustra , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:41 pm GMT
@trickster But than all Hitler was stupid, because he did not figure out that eventually will come to that.
All Germans were so stupid that they did not know that number of roads in Ukraine and Russia that in case of rain did not change to mud holes could be counted on fingers.
And even those were no match of via Apia of ancient Rome.
UncommonGround , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:47 pm GMT
@peacewalker Impressive your information about the origin of Stettin and Breslau. But as far as I can see through a fast look at wikipedia, what you say seems to be at least a bis misleading. The history seems to be quite complicated with really lot of changes. They say about Breslau that the "Wandalenstamm der Silinger" (a German tribe) settled there between the 4 and 5 Century and Slavs came about 1 or 2 centuries later. Much later there was a Polish domination. Breslau was destroyed by the Mongols in 1241 and after that rebuilt by German settlers. In 1261 Breslau received the right of cityship (? Stadtrecht) by the German city of Magdeburg. The history of Stettin is even more complicated, but wikipedia says that it was founded by the fusion of German and Polish settlements ("Die Stadt Stettin entstand aus einer pomoranischen und zwei benachbarten deutschen Siedlungen" = The city Stettin has originated from a pomoranian and two neighbour German settlements).
Carolyn Yeager , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 9:48 pm GMT
@maz10

Let me just point out, that mass graves with Polish victims of German mass executions were located among other places at:
Palimiry [sic], Las Sękocinski, Las kabacki, Laski and many, many others locations such as for example Ponary (outside of Poland's post WW II borders in present-day Lithuania).

Why hasn't the general public heard of these incredible mass graves? Except for a little commotion at Palmiry and Ponary, they are Polish fiction. The Germans assembled an international team of experts to exhume the Katyn graves and publish their findings. The Poles kept their exhumations, if there were any, all in the family.

Palmiry massacre, Wiki – "After the war, the Polish Red Cross , supported by the Chief Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland (pretty sure this is Soviet), began the search and exhumation process in Palmiry. The work was carried out between 25 November and 6 December 1945, and later from 28 March until the first months of summer 1946. Thanks to Adam Herbański and his subordinates from the Polish Forest Service , who in the years of occupation were risking their own lives to mark the places of execution, Polish investigators were able to find 24 mass graves. More than 1700 corpses were exhumed, but only 576 of them were identified. Later Polish historians were able to identify the names of another 480 victims.[17][50] It is possible that some graves still lie undiscovered in the forest near Palmiry.[11]

Ponary massacre, Wiki – "The total number of victims by the end of 1944 was between 70,000 and 100,000. According to post-war exhumation by the forces of Soviet 2nd Belorussian Fron t the majority (50,000–70,000) of the victims were Polish and Lithuanian Jews from nearby Polish and Lithuanian cities, while the rest were primarily Poles (about 20,000) and Russians (about 8,000).[2]
(No more information on this Polish-created page about the exhumation/identification process. It goes straight to the more extensive commemoration/memorial monuments section.) Then ends with:
"The murders at Paneriai are currently being investigated by the Gdańsk branch of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance [1] and by the Genocide and Resistance Research Center of Lithuania .[27] The basic facts about memorial signs in the Paneriai memorial and the objects of the former mass murder site (killing pits, tranches, gates, paths, etc.) are now presented in the webpage created by the Vilna Gaon State Jewish Museum."

This why the general public doesn't know of these sites – they have not been legitimately vetted. Yale's Timothy Snyder is a big believer though.

Ann Nonny Mouse , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:02 pm GMT
The sad thing is that the Final Solution to the Jewish problem has not yet been achieved.

I mean the problem of the presence of non-Jews in the world, a major problem for the Jews. Not finally solved yet, but getting close.

There have been some great achievements since earliest times. One was Moses's great success in tricking the stupid Midianites a number of times before finally exterminating them, as recounted between Exodus Ch. 2 and the end of Numbers. Another was Joshua bar Nun's fabulous achievement exterminating most of the Canaanites. For the time, the greatest achievement bar none!

But the great achievement of the Jewish Dark Age of 200–400 AD, the killing of 6 million Jews by the Jews, the 6 million Hellenistic Jews by the Talmudic Jews, outshines everything to date. Done at a time when the world population was tiny!

That must be done, the killing of non-Talmudic Jews must be done, as Maimonides wrote a few centuries later. But the best subsequent achievement seems to have been the killing of about a million non-Talmudic Jews in Iberia, greater Spain. Maybe fewer. Many escaped the peninsula. Many Karaites survived. Or some did, count unclear.

So far, at least till 1948, and since the Cyrene massacres of the 2nd century, stopped by the Romans, they have not had the power to kill non-Jews in any large numbers, could only encourage wars among them. And undermine their society with their lobbying skills and organized financing. But they are immensely powerful today in America and Europe. The Final Solution may be close.

anonlb , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:07 pm GMT
@Bardon Kaldian Serbian lies are only matched by coatian lies (jews/muslims lies are out of competition simple because they belive they can say anything to non-jew/non-muslim and do a right thing).
Serbian lies can't change fact that every single sentence from Bardon post is one big fat lie.
Hints: census from 1931 counted people by religion(ortodox, catolics, muslims, ), census from 1948 counted serbs, croats, slovenians, montenegrins, macedonians and 'minorities'. Muslims are counted as serbian or croatians. He can't even say those numbers for current croatian territory (hint: about 90k serbs less than ortodox and 300k croats more than catolics,despite 200k croats killed or expelled by comunists)
Counting persons with serious mental problems with zero influence as 'serbian ideologues' is just fun.
Wally , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:15 pm GMT
@Curmudgeon said:
"What kind of "death camps" have hospitals for internees? What kind of "death camps" have scrip for prisoners to spend at a canteen? What kind of "death camps" have orchestras and theaters for internees? Why would "death camps" record marriages and births? The Olympic size swimming pools and soccer fields for internees at "death camps""

– Here's more info. on the big one in the "holocaust"narrative, so called "death camp / extermination camp" Auschwitz

[MORE]

– An "extermination camp" where thousands of Jews chose to stay behind when the Germans left.
– An "extermination camp" where most of the inmates, more thousands, chose to leave WITH the Germans.
– An "extermination camp" where 1,500,000 human remains supposedly exist, but in fact no such remains exist.
– An "extermination camp" where many Jews gave birth.
– An "extermination camp" where the absurdly alleged homicidal 'gas chambers' could not have worked as alleged, as proven repeatedly, scientifically impossible.
– An "extermination camp" where fake 'gas chambers' were "reconstructed" AFTER THE WAR.
– An "extermination camp" where detailed aerial photos of the period show nothing that is alleged to have been happening.
– An "extermination camp" where there are even obvious, laughable attempts to tamper with aerial photos that make a mockery of the fake story.
see:
Auschwitz war time aerial photos, tampered with to fit the fake story , ex.:
Drawn in 'Auschwitz Jews being marched to gas chambers', ON A ROOF . – An "extermination camp" where there are countless Jew "survivors", yet the fake narrative says 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on.'
-An "extermination camp" where so called "survivors" say the most impossible and conflicting things that do not hold up to scrutiny, would be laughed out of a legit court of law.

the shadow , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:16 pm GMT
@Bardon Kaldian

This is stupid. It is very easy to calculate upper & lower limits of losses of various European peoples during WW2, just by feeding the computer with pre-war & post-war census data and taking into account border changes.

But it is precisely the border changes for those countries and population movements occurred within those areas that makes it difficult if not impossible to determine with any accuracy what population changes within the area those borders include at different times mean. It is, obvious, is ity not, that the "Poland" of 1939 is not the "Poland" of 1946, is it not? And that it's ridiculous to draw any DEFINITIVE conclusion based on the ethnic group distribution included within the boundaries of those "countries" between those periods, especially when Russians moved substsantial numbers out of the area they occupied from 1939 to 1941, and then Germans were moved out of areas that became Polich after WWII, etc., etc. and also moved people into and out of those areas when no one really knows the NUMBERS INVOLVED.

It's years ago since I lookeed at the numbers Hillsberg cited, but I remenber dismissing them at the time because they look conjectural at best.

Zarathustra , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:20 pm GMT
@Carolyn Yeager There are two ancient Slavic tribes Czechs and Moravian s. Capital of Czechs is Praha (Prague)
Capitol of Moravian s is Brno. Slovaks at one time were part of Great Moravian empire.
Morava is east of Czechia, (As is its capital Brno, and not south as you claim.)
Slovakia is East of Moravia.
Morava is river and the tribe was named after river. River Morava joins Danjub
at Slovakia.
Wally , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:22 pm GMT
@peacewalker said:
"I just don't know where to start. Whole "article" is such a BS. OK, let's start from beginning then"

– Let's start with you actually reading the article.

– Then show us the millions upon millions of human remains that are said by those like you to be in specific, known locations.

– After that, tell us how the absurd 'Nazi gas chambers' supposedly worked.

– Your cited sources give no proof.

It's curious that people like yourself actually want the alleged millions to be dead.
You should be happy to hear that millions of your brethren were not murdered.

Petermx , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:24 pm GMT
"In the case of this latest and largest mass grave (2008), no clothing, eye glasses or gold teeth were found. It thus appears that they were completely stripped before they were killed." My German mother and her family began fleeing west in the last months of the war. They lived in the German city Brieg (now called Brzeg under Polish rule). It's close to the bigger city Breslau (now called Wroclaw under Polish rule). She was captured near Pilsen (known as Plzen under Czech rule). The Red Army arrived. My mother was part of a group of women being held and the women were forced to strip naked and they were humiliated. This is what my crying mother told me roughly about 40 years ago. She was not raped. She's gone now and despite this sad story was an upbeat and generally happy person. The Americans were also there. I believe they took the area first and then withdrew and turned the area over to the Russians and Czechs. My mother was able to escape and eventually settled in Bavaria for several years before moving to the USA. If there are numerous cases of victims being stripped, I wonder if this could be tied to a particular army or nationality. Or was it was done by more than one army or nationality?
Robjil , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:32 pm GMT
@Priss Factor None of these examples you stated are a mandatory religion.

The big 6 has replaced the sun as the center of the universe.

Most people on this planet want the sun back as the center of the universe.

Take that big 6 wall down.

Let the sun shine again on this planet.

Anon [264] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:40 pm GMT
Jewish Lightning Got All 6 Million – Case Closed
Reger , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:41 pm GMT
@Curmudgeon To my very point. You won't follow the suggestion I made. Much easier to deal in abstractions than reality, isn't it?
Reger , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 10:51 pm GMT
@the shadow I agree. From my reading the transfers of population for reasons of ethnicity, colonisation (eg of the Wartheland), slave labour, not to mention the theft of 'aryan' children from Poles made for total confusion at the end of the war. The stories of witnesses always mention fellow victims from all parts of Europe and people travelling in all directions.
Re the numbers I can only repeat the wise quip of Christopher Isherwood in an argument about the number of victims; he said to his opponent: 'What are you? In real estate?"
Incitatus , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:06 pm GMT
Well done, Carolyn.

Why not just say Mahatma Austrian Hitler left no victims, including 20s-30s-40s Germans (400,000 to 600,000 by most accounts, murdered by the NSDAP) and espouse, more important, Germans were the only victims in WW2? Go for it!

The NSDAP brought God to Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, Memel, Denmark. Norway, Luxembourg, Belgium, France, Netherlands, Greece, Yugoslavia, Crete, North Africa, USSR, etc.? Hitler was quite the evangelist. God (in that hymnal) is named Adolf. A deity without territorial aspirations but nonetheless great coincidental appetite and digestive ability. And with a post-war score to settle with German Churches.

"I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker" ("Ich gehe mit traumwandlerischer Sicherheit den Weg, den mich die Vorsehung gehen heißt") -Adolf Hitler 15 Mar 1936 Munich

He "sleepwalked" Germany into catastrophic World War, then attacked an ally in what became a winter campaign 1941-42 lacking winter uniforms and operational gear. Incompetence paramount. Nothing to do with Jews, though by all counts – as in Poland –many were murdered (sorry Carolyn).

"The war against Russia is an important chapter in the struggle for existence of the German nation. It is the old battle of the Germanic against the Slav peoples, of the defense of European culture against Moscovite-asiatic inundation, and the repulse of Jewish Bolshevism. The objective of this battle must be the destruction of present-day Russia and it must therefore be conducted with unprecedented severity. Every military action must be guided in planning and execution by an iron will to exterminate the enemy mercilessly and totally. In particular, no adherents of present Russian-Bloshevik system are to be spared."
– Generaloberst Erich Hoepner, Orders to 4th Panzer Group Commanders in advance of Barbarossa 2 May 1941 [Burleigh 'The Third Reich' p. 521]

A year later at Stalingrad 42-43, same problems, Hitler doubled-down plus some.

"The Führer commands that on entering the city the entire male population should be eliminated since Stalingrad, with its convinced Communist population of one million, is particularly dangerous."
– Adolf Hitler to Sixth Army 2 Sep 1942 [Beevor 'The Second World War' p.356]

Genocide? There you have cold hard fact.

There's more Carolyn. It's against Germans! 9 Nov 1942 Hitler orders 150,000 artillery and transport horses in Sixth Army be sent several hundred kilometers to the rear, ostensibly to save transporting fodder to the front. It deprives all unmotorized (75% of 6th Army forces) divisions of mobility. Ten days later Soviets launch "Operation Uranus', a 'Kesselschalcht' encirclement worthy of Bismarck and von Moltke.

By 23 Nov 1942 the Sixth Army is cut-off in pocket, destined to starve and freeze as Hitler orders "Sixth Army stand firm in spite of temporary encirclement". His solution to the crisis is to designate the Sixth Army "Fortress Stalingrad" and order (24 Nov) holding the front "whatever the circumstances". No clarity on food, munitions, medical care or strategic relief. None comes.

Germans knew better.

"I am beyond caring. Two of my brothers were sacrificed in Stalingrad and it was quite useless. And here we have the same."
–Soldat to SanUff [Senior Medical Officer] Walter Klein, Kampfgruppe Heintz, Field Dressing Station near St-Lô, Normandie 26 Jul 1944 [Beevor 'D-Day' p.353]

That's the legacy you (Ron and Carolyn) embrace? Good luck!

Bardon Kaldian , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:12 pm GMT
@anonlb Dumb (my advice- don't mess with someone who knows what he's talking about. You'll turn out to be a laughing stock ).

In 1931 census people were counted by religion & language. The South Slavic "language" was a bizarre official combination of the Slovene, Croat & Serbian (no one then, except Croatian linguist Stjepan Ivšić, had recognized Macedonian language). Other languages like Hungarian, German, Italian, Slovak, Czech, Albanian were clearly the languages of those peoples. So, one could clearly distinguish between Croats, Serbs, Bosnian Muslims .. by simply looking at their religion & mother tongue (in that case, weird "Sloveno-Croato-Serbian").

During the Communist census in 1948, people just said what they were, nationally. Catholics- if not Slovene speaking- were Croats; Orthodox were either Serbs, Montenegrins or Macedonians (there were preserved censuses from 1931, so one could monitor county fluctuations of population); BH Muslims were mostly "Yugoslavs undetermined" (some of them said they were either Croats or Serbs, due to political pressures, but in next 2-3 decades were simply written out of this census).

Also, there were tiny minorities of Catholic Serbs (ca. 8,800) and Orthodox Croats (9,300)- but they don't mean anything, in comparison with these millions.

So, if you try to argue, rather use convincing arguments than a hysterical blather.

Bardon Kaldian , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:16 pm GMT
@the shadow Virtually all modern works on victimology had taken into account borders shifts so that victims (or potential victims) couldn't be counted twice (or thrice). It is reflected even in such a wishy-washy source as Wikipedia.
Carolyn Yeager , says: Website Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:19 pm GMT
@Zarathustra

Morava is east of Czechia, (As is its capital Brno, and not south as you claim.)

The article is mentioning Czechoslovakia , not the Czech Republic (note the map), and only in relation to the treatment of its German citizens in 1945-6. There is nothing inaccurate in my comment that you're referring to; Brno is definitely in the south of the country compared to Usti.

Da's Reich , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:23 pm GMT
@Włodzimierz I read your link again,

I won't be bothering a third time,

the shadow , says: Show Comment June 14, 2020 at 11:53 pm GMT
@Bardon Kaldian And the evidence substantiating their degree of accuracy is what?
RT , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 12:00 am GMT
@utu We are in the court of History.
In the court of History the truth is always late, but always arrives.
Curmudgeon , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 12:04 am GMT
@maz10 I'd doubt it. The biggest fraud about socialism was the promotion of Marxism (communism) as being socialism. I'm not saying Marx didn't have followers, but the majority of his contemporaries rejected his state owns all views as being totalitarian. Communism is the obverse side of the coin of finance capitalism. Both seek to concentrate wealth into the hands of a few – relatively speaking.

Clifford Douglas, who invented the Social Credit movement, worked closely with the Guild Socialists in Britain. While ultimately rejecting their views, he recognized that they weren't interested in state ownership, were not opposed to competition, but were opposed to finance controlling production and trade. By the way, Douglas was opposed to finance capitalism as well.

I repeat: your local co-op is socialist. Every member has an equal say through the single share allowed to be purchased; the board of directors is elected by the membership; the profits shared are based on your participation level; and it competes with privately owned businesses, including corporations.

Anonymous [352] Disclaimer , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 12:28 am GMT
@utu Here is an excerpt (one of MANY) from the Jewish press showing that Jewish American groups have long tried to stop the U.S. Congress from recognizing the genocide committed against Christian Armenians by Turkey:

Every year on April 24, the day that Armenians commemorate the killings, a resolution calling for the use of the controversial term is proposed in Congress and then beaten back. Some Jewish groups claim credit for ensuring that such a resolution never passes.

Jewish advocacy groups, including the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, B'nai Brith and American Jewish Committee "have been working with the Turks on this issue" for more than 15 years, said Yola Habif Johnston, director for foundations and community outreach at Jinsa. "The Jewish lobby has quite actively supported Turkey in their efforts to prevent the so-called Armenian genocide resolution from passing," she said.

Showdown Set in 'Genocide' Debate
Rebecca Spence, The Jewish Daily Forward
Sept. 2, 2006

Beefcake the Mighty , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 12:36 am GMT
@Curmudgeon I think for you, any system you happen to like is socialist, and any system you don't like is non-socialist.
Curmudgeon , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 12:41 am GMT
@peacewalker

1. STETTIN is GERMANIZED name for Polish name SZCZECIN, not the other way around.
2. Same story with Wroclaw (for short period of time known as Breslau).

What's your point?
New York was New Amsterdam before the British took over. Strasbourg was Strasburg before Louis XIV annexed Alsace and Lorraine. Istanbul was Constantinople before the Muslims decided to change the name. Novgorod was an East Norse settlement. At one time, the Baltic was a "Swedish lake" and Poland was occupied by the Swedes with a Swedish king sitting in Poland. In the mists of time, Jerusalem was Uru-shalem before the chosenites arrived from Yemen.
Borders and place names have changed through out the recorded history of mankind. Poland now claims famous Germans were Polish. Nikolaus Kopernikus, the famous German astronomer, is now called Mikolaj Kopernik. He lived in Thorn (now Torun'), never spoke a word of Polish, and published his works in Latin.

Here's a contemporary non German view of the situation in Poland at the start of the war:
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/polandinside/pfi00.html

The Poles were happy to be Chamberlain's dupes in starting a war with Germany, and ramped it up with the ethnic cleansing of Germans in the German territories it occupied after the November 11, 1918 Armistice was signed. When war starts, no ones hands are clean, but the Poles, like the chosenites continue to play the victim.

James Reinhart , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 12:50 am GMT
For those that have looked at the movement of people from the late 20s to 1939, it would not stand up to a 10 minute audit. It is obvious to me, and written by H.G. Wells in his book "The Shape of Things to Come" that the Dazig corridor was built to start the war as Polish and Soviet troops, and it is well documented, were killing ethnic Germans since 1938. This was considered a brilliant move by Wells of the Wilson Administration who wiped out 60-70 million, no only due to war but the fact that it was the US out of Ft. Riley which is documented in the Wichita Observer to be the first place that ever ha this flu of which almost 10% died.

It is known that the US created the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks through NYC with Schiff, Baruch, Warburg, Kuhn, Loeb, Harriman and others) and also set up through the War Industries Board, by a Jewish Marrano named Samuel Bush to load the Lusitania up with "small" munitions of which Cunard was warned as were documents not to go on the ship as the US had been supplying the filth ridden UK with weapons but was all but defeated and Germany offered a peace plan that was beneficial to all. The Balfour Declaration, (Read "History of Zionism 1600-1918" by Nahum Sokolow and you will find in the forward that Arthur Balfour was also a Marrano which is pointed out specifically), was enough for the monied interests of the US to put America into war by lies. Benjamin Freedman's speech at the Willard hotel sums it up well.

The US, USSR, UK and China are all tied together and all are oligarch with a fraudulent opposition as one can figure out when reading "Red Symphony" of Rothschild. All nations are nothing more than corporations that have gone into receivership and are owned as assets just as recently stated by the central banks and the monetization of all creation. Those that have no reverence for all living things and respect for life or planet except for their love of money that their contempt for creation represents is now off the charts as all institutions are corrupt.

Bias of Priene – all men are wicked and most are evil. That was a statement of one of the greats, of the 7 sages and has now come to a point where all life may disappear in a few years through poisoning every aspect of life and the list is long, geoengineering, medicine/vaccine/pharmaceuticals, big ag, idiocy in programming – (listen to JFK condemn amusement and the need for a well informed society), no limits of committing atrocities to life itself as the web of life is hanging by a thread. Education, think tanks, NGOs, government leaders they all are evil and are backed up by a putrid judicial system.

Zarathustra , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1:15 am GMT
@Carolyn Yeager You are funny! And I do not need to take a look at the map. You do!

If you make a right angle triangle from Usti nad labem and Brno you do find out you will find out that distance from Usti to Brno is twice as long eastward than southward.
So you are in error.

Carolyn Yeager , says: Website Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1:17 am GMT
@Włodzimierz

Authors claimed they can not find any example of documented mass grave of polish citizens.

What the authors said is, "The only known mass grave of Poles was the work of the Soviet Red Army, led by the NKVD, in the Katyn Forest in Soviet Russia. Long blamed on Germany, the responsibility for this genocidal act is now placed where it belongs. Ironically, the only mass gravesites found on Polish territory have been of German civilians."

What you provided in Comment 11 ( http://lasszpegawski.pl/in-english/%5D is not documented, it's only stories. Have these alleged graves been officially exhumed and the remains counted and examined? It doesn't say so.

This one at the INR about Dachau is another Polish nothing-burger. By putting forth these nonsense pages as evidence of the atrocities you claim, you only make yourself a laughing stock.

Zarathustra , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1:22 am GMT
@Zarathustra And the second error. After Munich there was no more Czechoslovakia.
Slovakia did become independent.
karel , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1:34 am GMT
@Petermx Strange story. Sorry to hear of your mother's humiliation but what you write makes no sense to me. What was your mother doing in Plzen at the end of the war? Captured by whom? There was no Red army in Plzen and American troops left in November 1945. If your mother was supposedly fleeing west then she would have landed in Dresden where most refugees from Wroclaw went but not in Plzen. Caroline Yeager and you have obvious deficiencies in geography, which is a strong indications that most of the stories, ventilated here, are simply made up.
Zarathustra , says: Show Comment June 15, 2020 at 1: